American Family Association Spokesman Fischer: Muslims Are Inbred

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Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association is scheduled to speak at the upcoming Values Voter Summit, along with a full card of top GOP politicians and pundits, including Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Jim DeMint, Mike Huckabee, Mike Pence, and Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.

Here’s Fischer’s latest: A huge Muslim problem: inbreeding.

Nicolai Sennels is a Danish psychologist who has done extensive research into a little-known problem in the Muslim world: the disastrous causes of Muslim inbreeding brought about by the marriage of first-cousins.

This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses, was sanctioned by Muhammad and has been going on now for 50 generations (1,400 years) in the Muslim world.

This practice of inbreeding will never go away in the Muslim world since Muhammad is the ultimate example and authority on all matters, including marriage.

The massive inbreeding in Muslim culture may well have done virtually irreversible damage to the Muslim gene pool, including extensive damage to its intelligence, sanity, and health.

According to Sennels, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred. In Pakistan, the numbers approach 70%. Even in England, more than half of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins, and in Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.

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392 comments
1 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:19:02pm

Make Goebbels proud, Mr. Fischer and Mr. Sennels.

2 steve_davis  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:20:01pm

The marriage of first cousins in this country is still going on. It’s legal in any number of places, and 100 years ago, not only would no one have thought twice about it, it would have been necessitated by bad transportation and not a whole lot to choose from by way of eligible ladies. The blue Appalachians are apparently one result of what happens when the gene pool gets a little too crowded, but for the most part, unless you are royalty and you’ve been doing it for several hundred years, there’s actually not much genetically that goes wrong when cousins marry.

3 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:20:08pm

Nobody can beat European royalty when it comes to inbreeding.

4 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:21:39pm

Inbreed? This makes me happy. Take the pressure off the South.
/

5 jamesfirecat  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:21:53pm

“Aren’t you my cousin?”

Maeby

6 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:22:36pm

State Laws Regarding Marriages Between First Cousins

[1st] Cousin marriage legal

Alabama
Alaska
California
Colorado
Connecticut
District of Columbia
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina*
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vermont
Virginia

Allowed under certain circumstances

Arizona
Illinois
Indiana
Maine
Utah
Wisconsin

[Link: www.ncsl.org…]

7 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:22:52pm

Judaism permits not only first cousin marriages, but also uncle/niece marriages.

8 Mich-again  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:23:01pm

Consanguinity. Thats the word to look up. I know all I want to know.

9 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:23:38pm

re: #6 Gus 802

Apparently these states aren’t following Mr. Fischer’s alleged Judeo-Christian tradition theory.

10 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:23:39pm

This is some poisonous rhetoric.

11 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:23:56pm

Concern Trolling GOP style.

12 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:24:00pm

Not to say that it’s actually done, at least not frequently. I don’t know of any first world countries where it is legal.

13 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:24:15pm

re: #6 Gus 802

Is it OK to just do her?
//I am so going to Hell.

14 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:24:23pm

The same Bryan Fischer who has said in the past;

Bottom line: you want to know who’s now running the U.S. Army, the U.S. Navy and the Marines and calling the shots where it counts? Fundamentalist Muslims and homosexual activists.

Crazy fuck is crazy.

15 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:24:50pm

re: #5 jamesfirecat

“Aren’t you my cousin?”

Maeby

Marry me!

16 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:24:53pm

Is it OK for homosexual cousins to marry?

17 jamesfirecat  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:25:06pm

re: #11 BigPapa

Concern Trolling GOP style.

Doesn’t it only count as concern trolling if you pretend to be on their side first?

18 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:25:55pm

re: #16 Alouette

Is it OK for homosexual cousins to marry?

Not if you’re Amish.
/

19 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:26:01pm

It was allow gay marriages in America the next thing you know people will be calling to legalize marriage to 1st cousins! It’s a slippery slope I tell ya’!

/

20 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:27:04pm

re: #16 Alouette

Is it OK for homosexual cousins to marry?

Is it OK for Muslim homosexual socialist Kenyan cousins to marry?

21 Mich-again  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:27:06pm

“preferential patrilateral parallel cousin marriage”

Thats one way to name it.

22 mikefromArlington  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:27:10pm

You need to be a pundit on some nightly news program. Nobody else in the mainstream is reporting this outrageous from these Islamaphobes.

23 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:27:40pm

re: #17 jamesfirecat

Doesn’t it only count as concern trolling if you pretend to be on their side first?

Doh, mah bahds gah.

24 jaunte  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:27:51pm

Remember this advice, Mr. Fischer:

“Do not give them any ammunition. You know who you are. You know that you’re righteous. Do not give them an opportunity to deride this fine and honorable effort. Remember what I’m saying. They’re looking to catch you. Don’t give it to them.”

“Listen to Mommy.”

25 Obdicut  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:28:48pm

Repost:

There is very little harm in some amount of cousin marriage. On average, it increases the chances of birth defects by a couple of percent.

This is such a dumb bit of racism it’s hard to even grapple with.

By the way, this is another smear that has its origins in an old bit of antisemitism:


[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

The attacks on Muslim are starting to coincide very quickly with attacks on Jews. I don’t think its coincidental that it’s happening as more and more white supremacists are let into the national discourse unchallenged.

So fuck everyone who’s giving these pseudoscience bits of crap the time of day. You’re antisemites. You may be doing it out of ignorance, but you’re engaging in the same sort of Jew-hate you accuse Muslim of.

Fuckers.

26 That's Holier Than Thou to Thee  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:29:37pm

You fornicators are reading the article wrong.

The problem isn’t marrying your first cousin - my wife Mabel and I fell in love at our family reunion.*

The problem is when your first cousin is Muslim.

*(We just couldn’t wait till her 16th birthday! My nephew Frank didn’t mind me marrying his daughter after I bought him new double barrel carbs for his Chevy)

27 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:30:38pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The same Bryan Fischer who has said in the past;

Crazy fuck is crazy.

Crazier than an outhouse rat.

28 jamesfirecat  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:30:41pm

re: #26 That’s Holier Than Thou to Thee

You fornicators are reading the article wrong.

The problem isn’t marrying your first cousin - my wife Mabel and I fell in love at our family reunion.*

The problem is when your first cousin is Muslim.

*(We just couldn’t wait till her 16th birthday! My nephew Frank didn’t mind me marrying his daughter after I bought him new double barrel carbs for his Chevy)

I can do one better… well no I can’t but I can say something about my family that is profoundly weird….

My paternal grandfather and my father have the same first name….

Yeah….. surprised how normal my mom is otherwise really….

29 That's Holier Than Thou to Thee  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:31:00pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The same Bryan Fischer who has said in the past;

Crazy fuck is crazy.

He is crazy - he left out the godless immigrants.

30 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:31:21pm

Rudy Giuliani was married to his second cousin for a time.

31 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:31:22pm

American Family Association, assuming that you’re family is white, from a Christian household, and your reading comprehension and scientific background stopped somewhere in grade school.

32 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:31:46pm

This guy is a motherf*****.

That’s about the worst insult I’ll ever say here.

33 elizajane  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:32:03pm

Of course, a religion with a mere 1.5 billion adherents would inevitably produce inbreeding. Practically like the Amish or, better yet, the Habsburgs, who ruled Europe for centuries and were a classic example of inbreeding.

34 APox  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:32:06pm

To me this just wreaks of some old Nazi propaganda towards the Jews. Pretty scary stuff in my opinion.

35 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:32:35pm

re: #32 BigPapa

This guy is a motherf***.

That’s about the worst insult I’ll ever say here.

I’ll take up the slack for you.

36 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:33:26pm

re: #33 elizajane

the Habsburgs, who ruled Europe for centuries and were a classic example of inbreeding.

Had to keep that blood sanctified by God in the family.

37 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:34:28pm

Heck. Newt Gingrich’s favorite people the colonialist kings practically all were married to their 1st cousins. Clearly Mr. Fisher is yet another anti-colonialist.

//

38 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:35:26pm

re: #37 Gus 802

Heck. Newt Gingrich’s favorite people the colonialist kings practically all were married to their 1st cousins. Clearly Mr. Fisher is yet another anti-colonialist.

//

OK, not all British. It’s mixed. More kissing cousins here:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:37:17pm

My husband and my sister’s husband are something like 5th cousins.

No weirdness showing up yet, although technically they aren’t married to each other, just to sisters.

40 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:37:52pm

re: #39 EmmmieG

My husband and my sister’s husband are something like 5th cousins.

No weirdness showing up yet, although technically they aren’t married to each other, just to sisters.

My parents are first cousins, once removed.

41 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:38:15pm

re: #33 elizajane

Of course, a religion with a mere 1.5 billion adherents would inevitably produce inbreeding. Practically like the Amish or, better yet, the Habsburgs, who ruled Europe for centuries and were a classic example of inbreeding.

Well, to be fair, the Hapsburgs of Spain did die out because they were too inbred. But the great majority of Muslim clans do intermarry some people in each generation so the problem does not get bad. So the Islamic world has a slightly higher rate of some genetic problems, but that’s all there is to it. It’s not some crisis or epidemic, nor is it an issue with Islam at all. Fischer is as big a liar as that Dominionist asshole who wrote The Pink Swastika. He takes a small number of minor facts about a group of people and then weaves a web of lies around them. Its defamatory and depraved.

42 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:38:39pm

I keep that third eye covered up, and I had all my extra toes and fingers surgically removed in infancy.

43 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:38:49pm

Mr. Fischer would have a field day with this—

44 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:39:22pm
45 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:39:25pm

Try again—

46 lostlakehiker  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:39:38pm

re: #2 steve_davis

The marriage of first cousins in this country is still going on. It’s legal in any number of places, and 100 years ago, not only would no one have thought twice about it, it would have been necessitated by bad transportation and not a whole lot to choose from by way of eligible ladies. The blue Appalachians are apparently one result of what happens when the gene pool gets a little too crowded, but for the most part, unless you are royalty and you’ve been doing it for several hundred years, there’s actually not much genetically that goes wrong when cousins marry.

Nonsense. This is dangerous from the get-go. The Amish also have an inbreeding problem, and this, even though first-cousin marriages are not so common.

Literal, actual inbreeding is unfortunately easily confused with the insult phrase “inbred”. Literal inbreeding does cause increased rates of genetic conditions that reduce intelligence and bodily vigor.

It’s not an attack on Muslims to bring to people’s attention the fact that this practice is dangerous. It’s not part of Islam, but it’s part of several cultures.

The fact that some of these cultures are Islamic doesn’t annul the other fact.

47 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:39:41pm

Out. See ya’ll in the morning.

48 avanti  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:40:21pm

Redskins just damn near gave me a heart attack.

49 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:40:27pm
50 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:40:34pm

Third try—

51 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:41:02pm

Ah, f*** it—

52 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:42:11pm

What’s with the Danes?

53 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:42:31pm

re: #52 Gus 802

What’s with the Danes?

They’re great?

54 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:42:43pm

re: #46 lostlakehiker

Nonsense. This is dangerous from the get-go. The Amish also have an inbreeding problem, and this, even though first-cousin marriages are not so common.

Literal, actual inbreeding is unfortunately easily confused with the insult phrase “inbred”. Literal inbreeding does cause increased rates of genetic conditions that reduce intelligence and bodily vigor.

It’s not an attack on Muslims to bring to people’s attention the fact that this practice is dangerous. It’s not part of Islam, but it’s part of several cultures.

The fact that some of these cultures are Islamic doesn’t annul the other fact.

True, but irrelevant because that’s not what Bryan Fischer is doing. He’s creating a smear job to justify running all Muslims out of the country.

55 Mich-again  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:43:35pm

re: #25 Obdicut

There is very little harm in some amount of cousin marriage. On average, it increases the chances of birth defects by a couple of percent.

That percentage would be unacceptable for a new pharmaceutical drug being tested. I don’t think you can just ignore the couple percent risk. But I get your point. I suppose its out there, but its not really such a big deal. But the question I’m thinking is how or why is it that the government can get involved at all with which consenting adults can or can not “mate”.

56 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:44:21pm

The whole argument about cousin inbreeding misses the point.

This kind of ethnic attack is just evil. It’s an introduction to the genocidal thought experiment that follows Fishers logic.

57 jamesfirecat  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:44:35pm

re: #51 ClaudeMonet

Ah, f*** it—


[Video]

No, no, no here’s the situation you need to bring up for that song!

58 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:45:19pm

re: #55 Mich-again

That percentage would be unacceptable for a new pharmaceutical drug being tested. I don’t think you can just ignore the couple percent risk. But I get your point. I suppose its out there, but its not really such a big deal. But the question I’m thinking is how or why is it that the government can get involved at all with which consenting adults can or can not “mate”.

When its siblings, the government gets involved and such laws have been upheld in both the US and in Germany.

59 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:45:53pm

So this GOPer quotes a guy who did a study about Muslims inbreeding.

The guy who did the study is a psychologist.

Why does this sound so familiar?

60 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:46:01pm

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

The whole argument about cousin inbreeding misses the point.

This kind of ethnic attack is just evil. It’s an introduction to the genocidal thought experiment that follows Fishers logic.

Exactly. It’s very very clear what this is all about. Any discussion beyond that almost gives it credence.

61 rieux  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:46:39pm

I’m pretty sure he’s wrong about marriage to first cousins being forbidden since the days of Moses.

62 sagehen  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:46:43pm

My aunt and uncle became step-siblings many years after their marriage, when her widowed mother married his widowed father.

I think it must work retroactively, because my cousins on that side are, in fact, sickly half-wits.

63 jamesfirecat  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:46:55pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

When its siblings, the government gets involved and such laws have been upheld in both the US and in Germany.

Oh Wanda

Ohhh Pietro…

(Sorry I’m weak)

64 jaunte  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:47:55pm

re: #56 Rightwingconspirator

The whole argument about cousin inbreeding misses the point.

This kind of ethnic attack is just evil. It’s an introduction to the genocidal thought experiment that follows Fishers logic.

The KKK used phrenology to ‘prove’ whites were superior to blacks.
Sennels’ psychological research is about on the same level.

65 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:47:56pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

Oh Wanda

Ohhh Pietro…

(Sorry I’m weak)

No Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver reference, please.

66 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:48:31pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

This is some poisonous rhetoric.

Yes. An attempt to dehumanize their normality, so to speak. Laying the groundwork to argue that because they are infected with genetic defect due to their “religious preferences” they don’t deserve the same protections under the law. Where have we heard this before?!?

67 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:48:50pm

re: #46 lostlakehiker

If it’s such a huge problem why is it perfectly legal in all but a few states, and absolutely forbidden in none?

68 jamesfirecat  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:48:54pm

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver reference, please.

If they didn’t want us to joke about it they wouldn’t have made it canon.

69 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:49:03pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

Oh Wanda

Ohhh Pietro…

(Sorry I’m weak)

SMACK!

Maybe that’ll increase your willpower.

70 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:50:09pm

re: #66 eclectic infidel

Yes. An attempt to dehumanize their normality, so to speak. Laying the groundwork to argue that because they are infected with genetic defect due to their “religious preferences” they don’t deserve the same protections under the law. Where have we heard this before?!?

The Nazis, of course. That was the subject of much anti-Semitic propaganda.

71 lostlakehiker  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:51:18pm

re: #33 elizajane

Of course, a religion with a mere 1.5 billion adherents would inevitably produce inbreeding. Practically like the Amish or, better yet, the Habsburgs, who ruled Europe for centuries and were a classic example of inbreeding.

It’s NOT inevitable. It’s not universal within Islam. But unfortunately, there are some regions within dar al Islam where it’s a real problem.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:51:54pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

The Nazis, of course. That was the subject of much anti-Semitic propaganda.

I hate Nazis.

Evening lizards!

73 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:52:22pm

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Too many births
Letter to the editor published in BT, 12/23/2009

By Nicolai Sennels, psychologist

CLIMATE

The population explosion in poor countries threatens climate due to the many human CO2 emissions.Jørgen Nørgaard, associate professor at the Technical University of Denmark, said the bell clear in Information: ‘The more people there are, the more CO2 is pressed upward. “

If poor countries want money from the rich countries for climate projects and compensation for droughts, it should therefore be on the promise that they involve the limitation of population growth as a part of the solution.

74 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:52:24pm

re: #64 jaunte

The KKK used phrenology to ‘prove’ whites were superior to blacks.
Sennels’ psychological research is about on the same level.

I agree with you there. The whole eugenics thing…

75 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:52:55pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

If they didn’t want us to joke about it they wouldn’t have made it canon.

retcons are always fun.

76 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:54:43pm

re: #71 lostlakehiker

It’s NOT inevitable. It’s not universal within Islam. But unfortunately, there are some regions within dar al Islam where it’s a real problem.

True, and a paper on that subject from a scholarly point of view would be entirely appropriate. But that’s not what this is. It’s a strung together attack piece intended to demonize Muslims. It’s tone is hostile and condemning, and its conclusions broad and unsupported. That makes it utter drek.

77 jaunte  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:55:12pm

re: #73 Gus 802

He’s been very busy.

78 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:55:19pm

Mr. Sennels is quite the eugenicist.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Value Voters.

He’s also a candidate for the Dansk Folkeparti.

The Danish People’s Party (Danish: Dansk Folkeparti, DF) is a right-wing, national conservative political party in Denmark, led by Pia Kjærsgaard. Since 2001 the party has supported a government consisting of the Liberal and Conservative parties. While not being a part of the cabinet, the Danish People’s Party maintains a close cooperation with the government parties on most issues. In return for their parliamentary support, the party has required a legislative effort for a strict policy towards immigrants and potential refugees.

79 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:55:33pm

From ThinkProgress:

Texas Skateboarder Stops Christian Extremist From Burning The Qur’an

Isom told News Channel 10 that “he heard something about burning the Qur’an. Then I snuck up behind [Grisham] and told him, ‘Dude, you have no Qur’an,’ and took off.”

As Amarillo Citizens Against Repent Amarillo’s Facebook page shows, Isom made sure the book made it into the safe hands of a smiling local Muslim leader.

Photo

80 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:56:15pm

re: #73 Gus 802

And then the groups which so vilify the Holdren at the same time embrace this guy Sennels.

81 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:56:30pm

The really screwed up thing is that Pakistani society really does have have a problem with inbreeding. Is ranked first in the world for it’s percentage of first cousin marriage. But as always, there is context that is missing from this bigots analysis.

Which country ranks a close second to Pakistan with similarly high rates of first cousin marriage? India! That’s right, Hindus across the border are engaged in similar long-term destructive practices on a large scale.

Islam is not the problem here, it’s the shared culture found in Pakistan and much of India that promotes first cousin marriage.

82 jaunte  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:56:52pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

Dude!

83 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:57:22pm

re: #80 freetoken

And then the groups which so vilify the Holdren at the same time embrace this guy Sennels.

You read my mind. But of course. Zombie is probably lapping Mr. Sennels right up but you won’t see any background searching from those cowardly ideologues.

84 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:57:57pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

From ThinkProgress:

Texas Skateboarder Stops Christian Extremist From Burning The Qur’an

Isom told News Channel 10 that “he heard something about burning the Qur’an. Then I snuck up behind [Grisham] and told him, ‘Dude, you have no Qur’an,’ and took off.”

As Amarillo Citizens Against Repent Amarillo’s Facebook page shows, Isom made sure the book made it into the safe hands of a smiling local Muslim leader.

Photo

THAT’S the sort of photo the Muslim world needs to see. America at its best, not these assholes showing America at its worst.

85 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:58:01pm

re: #80 freetoken

And then the groups which so vilify the Holdren at the same time embrace this guy Sennels.

Check these out.

[Link: nicolaisennels.dk…]

86 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:58:35pm

re: #81 Surabaya Stew

The really screwed up thing is that Pakistani society really does have have a problem with inbreeding. Is ranked first in the world for it’s percentage of first cousin marriage. But as always, there is context that is missing from this bigots analysis.

Which country ranks a close second to Pakistan with similarly high rates of first cousin marriage? India! That’s right, Hindus across the border are engaged in similar long-term destructive practices on a large scale.

Islam is not the problem here, it’s the shared culture found in Pakistan and much of India that promotes first cousin marriage.

Exactly!

87 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:58:55pm

When I was walking around at Pepperdine 9/11 Memorial today among all the flags, I was embarrassed at how many I could not identify. Who were these people? Maybe here to trade goods or establish ties…

88 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:58:58pm

re: #85 Gus 802

Check these out.

[Link: nicolaisennels.dk…]

Try again:

[Link: nicolaisennels.dk…]

89 shai_au  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:00:16pm

I don’t know if Muslims could be inbred. They’ve sure got purdy mouths.

(sorry)

90 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:01:20pm

re: #88 Gus 802

Looks like he is just another nationalist who has discovered that he can do “outreach” across the aisle, so to speak, buy writing about climate.

91 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:04:33pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Exactly!

Oh, and as a frequent guest to Indonesia and as a student of Indonesian culture and peoples, I can assure you that first cousin marriage over there is practically unknown. Has nothing to do with Islam either, is just a reflection of their culture.

92 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:05:06pm

re: #90 freetoken

Looks like he is just another nationalist who has discovered that he can do “outreach” across the aisle, so to speak, buy writing about climate.

Check this out:

Articles and interviews by Nicolai Sennels in English:

* Interview to EuropeNews, marts 31st 2009 “Danish psychologist: “Integration of Muslims in Western societies is not possible”.
* Interview to The German Review of Books, December 2009: The one thing Muslim immigrants fear is being deported
* Interview to the Finnish Hommaforum, December 17th 2009: An interview with Nicolai Sennels
* Gates of Vienna, April 11th 2010: The Stigmatization Fallacy
* Article in New English Review, May 2010: Muslims and Westerners: The psychological differences
* Review on Gates of Vienna, May 8th 2010: Islam Means Never Having to say you’re sorry
* Interview in FrontPageMagazine, May 5th 2010: Among Criminal Muslims
* Conference on FrontPageMagazine, June 21st 2010: A psychiatric Conference on Truthful Girl
* Article on Europenews.dk, February 5th 2010: Sexual abuse widespread among Muslims
* 180Grader, europenews.dk, GatesofVienna etc., July 28th 2010: Open letter to David Cameron regarding Turkey
* Article on Europenews.dk, August 9th: “Muslim Inbreeding: Impacts on Intelligence, Sanity, Health and Society

See the pattern? Gates of Vienna, Front Page, Europe News.

93 lostlakehiker  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:05:29pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

True, and a paper on that subject from a scholarly point of view would be entirely appropriate. But that’s not what this is. It’s a strung together attack piece intended to demonize Muslims. It’s tone is hostile and condemning, and its conclusions broad and unsupported. That makes it utter drek.

Agreed. But, and this is crucial, not wrong in every last respect. It’s very difficult to avoid seeming to defend Nazism when discussing Germany’s Autobahns. Yes, yes, damned near everything about Nazism was wrong and evil. But, well, err, umm, yes, Eisenhower himself concluded that in this one limited and narrow field, they had got something right.

94 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:06:04pm

re: #91 Surabaya Stew

Oh, and as a frequent guest to Indonesia and as a student of Indonesian culture and peoples, I can assure you that first cousin marriage over there is practically unknown. Has nothing to do with Islam either, is just a reflection of their culture.

Again good point. First hand knowledge from a Lizard PWNs Bryan Fischer’s hate mongering! What a great blog!

95 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:06:19pm

re: #92 Gus 802

See the pattern? Gates of Vienna, Front Page, Europe News.

The AFA seems to fit right into that group.

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:07:59pm

Alex Barron? You are dead to me.

97 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:08:54pm

This is rich: Muslims should breed less cuz they cause global warming according to Dr Psychologist Inbred. This should be a panel discussion at the Value Voters summit methinks yah?

98 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:09:13pm

re: #95 freetoken

The AFA seems to fit right into that group.

Wouldn’t you know it. He’s mentioned at Pajamas Media.

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

99 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:10:00pm

re: #98 Gus 802

I am not at all surprised.

100 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:10:19pm

re: #93 lostlakehiker

Answer my question in #67, please.

101 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:10:39pm

re: #93 lostlakehiker

Agreed. But, and this is crucial, not wrong in every last respect. It’s very difficult to avoid seeming to defend Nazism when discussing Germany’s Autobahns. Yes, yes, damned near everything about Nazism was wrong and evil. But, well, err, umm, yes, Eisenhower himself concluded that in this one limited and narrow field, they had got something right.

That is true. But this report is not like the Autobahns. They were well constructed, and properly laid out. This ‘report’ is a poorly constructed piece of drek, started with a determination to reach a preset conclusion. Some of its sources might be good, but the piece itself is useless.

102 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:10:44pm

re: #99 freetoken

I am not at all surprised.

You know it’s kind of weird. Looks like they might have deleted that story.

[Link: www.google.com…]

Click on the first link.

103 sagehen  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:11:00pm

re: #87 Rightwingconspirator

When I was walking around at Pepperdine 9/11 Memorial today among all the flags, I was embarrassed at how many I could not identify. Who were these people? Maybe here to trade goods or establish ties…

You mean the national flags of the victims?

The World Trade Center didn’t get that name by accident; it’s operated by the Port Authority and was always intended as a Center of World Trade. There’s some big financial firms that had a few floors each, but there was also hundreds and hundreds of 300 sq ft offices that were each the US Branch of some developing nation’s export industry. And companies whose business was facilitating deals between these various nations — instead of every African nation having to send a trade representative to every Central American nation, each country could have one trade rep each all getting together in New York.

(of course, the new building is going to have like ten floors of Conde Nast, but whatever.)

104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:11:34pm
105 jamesfirecat  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:12:30pm

re: #93 lostlakehiker

Agreed. But, and this is crucial, not wrong in every last respect. It’s very difficult to avoid seeming to defend Nazism when discussing Germany’s Autobahns. Yes, yes, damned near everything about Nazism was wrong and evil. But, well, err, umm, yes, Eisenhower himself concluded that in this one limited and narrow field, they had got something right.

They also were anti-smoking.

So two narrow fields….

106 jaunte  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:14:22pm

re: #98 Gus 802

Wouldn’t you know it. He’s mentioned at Pajamas Media.

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

Some of his statements are ‘self-Godwining’:

One study concluded that “foreigners inbreeding costs our municipalities millions” because of the many handicapped children and adults. It is estimated that one third of all handicapped people in Copenhagen have a foreign background.

107 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:15:01pm

re: #102 Gus 802

One of the problems with Simon’s fetishes (Gore-hate, LiberalsInHollywood = evil, etc.) is that he has opened the gates (to get as many articles as possible and as many names as possible) to all sorts of writers who really have lots of baggage. But he doesn’t seem to care unless PJM really gets called on the carpet or it looks really, really, really bad.

Vetting writers for quality and integrity, and in this case morality, is just asking too much.

108 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:15:15pm

re: #106 jaunte

I meant what I wrote in the first comment.

109 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:15:17pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Alex Barron? You are dead to me.

Take a week, mourn, you’ll get over it.

110 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:15:35pm

re: #106 jaunte

Some of his statements are ‘self-Godwining’:

Wow. I’ll Godwin him. Nicolai Sennels is a Nazi. OK, that’s not a full Godwin but close enough.

111 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:15:51pm

re: #103 sagehen

Well sure I knew that. But even knowing all or most of that while standing in front of a flag I could not even identify had me wondering more about the person it represented. Beyond the obvious. Not knowing the country just got me thinking further I guess. BTW I’m uploading a clip of the flags in the wind to my youtube channel. Another 30 minutes or so should do it.

112 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:16:21pm

re: #103 sagehen

You mean the national flags of the victims?

The World Trade Center didn’t get that name by accident; it’s operated by the Port Authority and was always intended as a Center of World Trade. There’s some big financial firms that had a few floors each, but there was also hundreds and hundreds of 300 sq ft offices that were each the US Branch of some developing nation’s export industry. And companies whose business was facilitating deals between these various nations — instead of every African nation having to send a trade representative to every Central American nation, each country could have one trade rep each all getting together in New York.

(of course, the new building is going to have like ten floors of Conde Nast, but whatever.)

Good point. It’s true the Freedom Tower will be a few larger companies at first, but that will get most of its space filled and get it doing what is supposed to do: Make Money. The business of the WTC site is business. The memorials are important and the dead must always be respected and remembered, but for a place dedicated to trade its Profit First, Last, and Always.

113 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:16:58pm

Perhaps Bryan Fischer has been reading Discovery Magazine…

Inbreeding in the Persian Gulf

114 Mich-again  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:17:15pm

Interesting… From Wikianswers..

There are bible verses that describe exactly who not to marry. Leviticus 18: 6-19 If you are a Christian, then these are reason enough. Read the above Biblical verses, and they state how distant a relative should be before considering marriage. If you you do marry your cousin and have children, the possibility for a birth or genetic defect will increase; nevertheless, according to a scientific report, the overall risks are still fairly low. It’s worth noting that those are archaic laws and are no longer to be rigidly followed. They were replaced by the Ten Commandments.

and later this..

Whether it is “right” would be a personal issue and should not be subjected to other people’s moral or ethical interpretations. The legal issue is a different matter,…
Primarily in the Southern States it is illegal to marry your cousin. In the Northern States it is legal.

Assuming that its more likely the Southern States would be more prone to a “Christian” legal point of view than the Northern States, is it plausible these laws might be influenced by religion.

115 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:17:16pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

Again good point. First hand knowledge from a Lizard PWNs Bryan Fischer’s hate mongering! What a great blog!

Not only was I aware of it, but my wife just confirmed it for me! She added that she could only speak for her culture (Javanese) and not for the rest of her peoples. However, since that speaks for 40% of Indonesians and another 40% share a similar (equal parts Animist/Hindu/Muslim) cultural background, I feel safe calling first cousin marriage unacceptable in Indonesia.

Oh, and this isn’t a great blog, it’s the best blog!

;-)

116 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:17:20pm

The availability of cheap bicycles improves the genetic situation in England, I was told by a British roommate once.

You could go several towns away to do your courting.

117 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:18:28pm

re: #116 Ojoe

“improved” - past tense.

PIMF

118 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:19:49pm

re: #113 NJDhockeyfan

Perhaps Bryan Fischer has been reading Discovery Magazine…

Inbreeding in the Persian Gulf

Doesn’t look like it.

119 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:19:58pm

re: #113 NJDhockeyfan

re: #115 Surabaya Stew

My first reaction to reading the key post was that Sennes/Fischer is playing on the false equivalence: Islam = Arab, when in fact most (by population) Moslems are in South and SE Asia.

120 Surabaya Stew  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:20:06pm

And with that, I must call it a night. Take care, Y’all!

121 lostlakehiker  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:21:57pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

From ThinkProgress:

Texas Skateboarder Stops Christian Extremist From Burning The Qur’an

Isom told News Channel 10 that “he heard something about burning the Qur’an. Then I snuck up behind [Grisham] and told him, ‘Dude, you have no Qur’an,’ and took off.”

As Amarillo Citizens Against Repent Amarillo’s Facebook page shows, Isom made sure the book made it into the safe hands of a smiling local Muslim leader.

Photo

Petty theft is sometimes less inexcusable than other times. :-)

122 CarleeCork  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:24:26pm

My G-Uncle was a doctor in a small town; Goshen Indiana. The genetic problems present in the Amish community were prevalent.

123 lostlakehiker  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:24:34pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

That is true. But this report is not like the Autobahns. They were well constructed, and properly laid out. This ‘report’ is a poorly constructed piece of drek, started with a determination to reach a preset conclusion. Some of its sources might be good, but the piece itself is useless.

I have no good words for the report. I just draw a distinction between the merits of a piece of writing, and the facts about which that piece of writing is talking.

3*2=6 because 3-2=1, and then if you add 1 and 2 and 3 you get 6.

Wrong reason, but the statement of fact before those silly reasons is true.

124 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:25:25pm

Fischer’s concluding paragraph:

Bottom line: Islam is not simply a benign and morally equivalent alternative to the Judeo-Christian tradition. As Sennels points out, the first and biggest victims of Islam are Muslims. Simple Christian compassion for Muslims and a common-sense desire to protect Western civilization from the ravages of Islam dictate a vigorous opposition to the spread of this dark and dangerous religion. These stark realities must be taken into account when we establish public polices dealing with immigration from Muslim countries and the building of mosques in the U.S.

That’s right folks. These 1st cousin marriages should be considered when thinking about allowing the building of mosques.

What a freak.

125 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:27:09pm

re: #123 lostlakehiker

I have no good words for the report. I just draw a distinction between the merits of a piece of writing, and the facts about which that piece of writing is talking.

3*2=6 because 3-2=1, and then if you add 1 and 2 and 3 you get 6.

Wrong reason, but the statement of fact before those silly reasons is true.

That I can accept and agree with entirely.

126 CarleeCork  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:32:02pm

re: #124 Gus 802
Damn, we should ban Amish folks as well. Ban the 1st Amendment NOW!

Save America from bubbas.

127 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:33:56pm

For the facebook fans,

I hadn’t seen it, but had a laugh with it.

128 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:33:58pm

Allow me to do one better.
Fischer believes we came from Adam and Eve, yes?
Do the math.
9_9

129 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:36:11pm

re: #126 CarleeCork

Damn, we should ban Amish folks as well. Ban the 1st Amendment NOW!

Save America from bubbas.

This isn’t even being done out of concern for potential problems with offspring. It’s being done to malign Muslims once again. They have no interest in say an educational program regarding the potential health risks to offspring due to 1st cousin marriages. It’s just muscle head anti-Muslim red meat.

A note. It’s not illegal to marry your first cousin anywhere in Europe, Canada and Mexico. Legal in the states I noted above and it includes the great state of Tennessee (pun intended).

130 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:37:00pm

re: #127 ozbloke

For the facebook fans,

I hadn’t seen it, but had a laugh with it.

Oppss, heres a link, its funnier with a link…

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:37:07pm

re: #2 steve_davis

The marriage of first cousins in this country is still going on. It’s legal in any number of places, and 100 years ago, not only would no one have thought twice about it, it would have been necessitated by bad transportation and not a whole lot to choose from by way of eligible ladies. The blue Appalachians are apparently one result of what happens when the gene pool gets a little too crowded, but for the most part, unless you are royalty and you’ve been doing it for several hundred years, there’s actually not much genetically that goes wrong when cousins marry.

My great-grands were first cousins, and I’m sure my husband’s family has some married cousins. The idea that the Judeo-Christian world doesn’t do such things is total and complete bullshit. A marriage between cousins or between uncle and niece, was considered optimal for much of Jewish history.

132 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:37:30pm

re: #122 CarleeCork

My G-Uncle was a doctor in a small town; Goshen Indiana. The genetic problems present in the Amish community were prevalent.

Goshen isn’t such a small town anymore—population 31,800 and close to Elkhart and South Bend.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

134 Nimed  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:45:28pm

re: #46 lostlakehiker

Literal, actual inbreeding is unfortunately easily confused with the insult phrase “inbred”. Literal inbreeding does cause increased rates of genetic conditions that reduce intelligence and bodily vigor.

This statement is sort of correct, but to clarify further:

a) the genetic conditions associated with inbreeding generally occur due to a higher probability of getting two copies of a (usually, but not always) harmful recessive allele. This an all-or-nothing event for any given gene in each generation. There is no gradual deterioration of a gene pool that makes the DNA of each generation “more damaged” or “worse” than the previous one, (this is a common misconception).

b) the terms “intelligence” and “bodily vigor” are too vague and are best avoided. You can, I suppose, say that sickle cell anemia diminishes bodily vigor, or that untreated phenylketonuria severely diminishes intelligence, but it’s much better to pinpoint the nature of these specific conditions. People who suffer from them don’t have worse DNA than the rest of the population, but rather “too much” of the same alleles. This is an important fact to highlight, since the propensity to have a given genetic is not higher for the next non-inbred generation.

135 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:46:48pm
136 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:48:59pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

re: #103 sagehen

The video is up-Beautiful day there
[Link: www.youtube.com…]

137 harlequinade  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:52:45pm

re: #78 Gus 802

Mr. Sennels is quite the eugenicist.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Value Voters.

He’s also a candidate for the Dansk Folkeparti.

Those people are scum of the highest order that don’t even bother to hide their racism.

In fact, Parliament just revoked parliamentary immunity so one of them could be prosecuted for hate speech. Ooh - a bit of research and a new blog to suck time this morning:

[Link: somethingmanky.blogspot.com…]

138 CarleeCork  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:55:38pm

re: #132 ClaudeMonet

Goshen isn’t such a small town anymore—population 31,800 and close to Elkhart and South Bend.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]


Are you stalking me?// How do you know about Goshen? You know about Topeka too?

J/K I haven’t been up there for thirty years. That area brings back wonderful memories. Fresh corn on the cob and the best tomatoes ever….and the BEST Gma ever.

139 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:55:57pm

re: #134 Nimed

Yeah, but all that sciency science talk doesn’t matter when you’re darkly hinting about some group’s “breeding” habits…

140 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:56:27pm

I know this may not be very well accepted here, but a Muslim friend from Pakistan told me about a neighboring tribe where they were facing sterility because of inbreeding. The problem isn’t entirely false. It’s a real problem. I won’t deny that racists are gonna use this as a wide ranging condemnation, but this stereotype does have some basis in reality. I do wonder if it’s more a local custom issue than anything from the Koran.

141 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:56:33pm

re: #137 harlequinade

Those people are scum of the highest order that don’t even bother to hide their racism.

In fact, Parliament just revoked parliamentary immunity so one of them could be prosecuted for hate speech. Ooh - a bit of research and a new blog to suck time this morning:

[Link: somethingmanky.blogspot.com…]

The European far-right.

142 Political Atheist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:57:16pm

I updated my latest page to include HD video of the flags in the wind. After I saw it at youtube I just had to clip it in, same as linked above.

143 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:58:16pm

re: #140 Irenicum

All of that is addressed upthread.

144 SpaceJesus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:58:41pm

can’t wait for 10 emails like this to show up in my inbox tomorrow from my crazy, elderly, conservative distant family members.

145 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 9:58:49pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

Thanks. I just arrived.

146 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:01:06pm

re: #138 CarleeCork

Are you stalking me?// How do you know about Goshen? You know about Topeka too?

J/K I haven’t been up there for thirty years. That area brings back wonderful memories. Fresh corn on the cob and the best tomatoes ever…and the BEST Gma ever.

No, not stalking. You referred to Goshen as a small town, my rapidly disappearing memory said otherwise, so I looked it up.

I’ve been to Topeka, back in my OKC days when I’d go to Kansas City a couple of times a year. It seemed like a nice place. I don’t have any particular memories of it, though. That was almost 30 years ago, too.

147 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:02:56pm

By the way, I would have done my cousin. She was freakin’ hot.

148 harlequinade  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:04:07pm

re: #141 Gus 802

The most miserable thing is that I’ve chosen Denmark to be my home country for the next few years and the taxes I’m paying go to support that lot. I have never wanted to be a tax avoider more.

149 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:07:18pm

re: #148 harlequinade

Are you kidding? I love Denmark. Copenhagen is exquisite and the women are beyond compare.

150 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:07:42pm

re: #148 harlequinade

The most miserable thing is that I’ve chosen Denmark to be my home country for the next few years and the taxes I’m paying go to support that lot. I have never wanted to be a tax avoider more.

That’s too bad. I’m sure there are other positive things about Denmark. Americans think that Europe is this giant liberal oasis though and that’s not true at all. It can be very conservative as well as being left. The worst part is the extremist factions of the far-right which seem to have a lot of its roots in former far-right political movements that came to halt in 1945.

151 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:07:47pm

re: #140 Irenicum

All over the world, local groups that remain isolated face the same problems, including the inbreeding/outbreeding challenge.

The whole idiotic point of Sennels/Fisher is that this has something special to do with Islam.

152 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:07:49pm

re: #147 Irenicum

By the way, I would have done my cousin. She was freakin’ hot.

I can empathize with that statement.

153 harlequinade  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:07:51pm

Going for breakfast - back in a bit.

That sounds so important. And much better than “walking away from the laptop to sit at the table”

154 CarleeCork  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:08:04pm

re: #146 ClaudeMonet

No, not stalking. You referred to Goshen as a small town, my rapidly disappearing memory said otherwise, so I looked it up.

I’ve been to Topeka, back in my OKC days when I’d go to Kansas City a couple of times a year. It seemed like a nice place. I don’t have any particular memories of it, though. That was almost 30 years ago, too.


Hey, I was kidding about stalking. My Gma lived in South Bend, we traveled up every year by train to Chicago. We always spent time at my Great Uncle’s farm in Goshen. His wife was my Gma’s sister. My cousin was a state rep for Indiana, Phil Warner. He died of spinal cancer, probably a result of chemicals used on their farm. His son’s children (3) were all born with a cleft palate. What are the odds? Indiana holds dear memories for me, that’s all.

155 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:08:06pm

re: #140 Irenicum

I know this may not be very well accepted here, but a Muslim friend from Pakistan told me about a neighboring tribe where they were facing sterility because of inbreeding. The problem isn’t entirely false. It’s a real problem. I won’t deny that racists are gonna use this as a wide ranging condemnation, but this stereotype does have some basis in reality. I do wonder if it’s more a local custom issue than anything from the Koran.

Custom, and isolation, wether geographic or xenophobic.

156 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:08:43pm

re: #147 Irenicum

By the way, I would have done my cousin. She was freakin’ hot.

Loud and clear. As I continued to read through this thread, the image of Melissa, my first cousin, came to mind. Also smokin’ hot. She’s Buddhist, and drinks nothing but water, eats nothing but vegetables, and works out. OMFGWTFLOLBBQ. Would I do her? No. But what a looker. The sort of woman you gaze upon and realize that life is truly worth living. That hot.

157 harlequinade  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:08:53pm

re: #149 Irenicum

Are you kidding? I love Denmark. Copenhagen is exquisite and the women are beyond compare.

For sure. I’ve been here, on and off, for 5 years. Their film festival is the best 7 days of my year. The people are great. The far right elements of their govt? Not to much

158 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:09:26pm

re: #152 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’ve had a thing for redheads ever since.

159 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:09:27pm

re: #155 Ojoe

Custom, and isolation, wether geographic or xenophobic.

I was going to mention geographic limitations. Especially amongst poorer populations. You don’t even have to be poor because Iceland has a rather high inter-cousin marriage rate. Or did. Would have to look again and I think it was mainly 2nd and 3rd cousins.

160 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:09:59pm

re: #93 lostlakehiker

Agreed. But, and this is crucial, not wrong in every last respect. It’s very difficult to avoid seeming to defend Nazism when discussing Germany’s Autobahns. Yes, yes, damned near everything about Nazism was wrong and evil. But, well, err, umm, yes, Eisenhower himself concluded that in this one limited and narrow field, they had got something right.

that and rocket technology.

161 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:10:22pm

So if you’re stuck in some tiny village and can’t get out you know what the drill is.

162 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:11:10pm

re: #161 Gus 802

Invent the bicycle!

163 CarleeCork  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:11:34pm

re: #161 Gus 802

So if you’re stuck in some tiny village and can’t get out you know what the drill is.


Love the one you’re with?

164 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:11:43pm

re: #162 freetoken

Invent the bicycle!

Bicycle. You know those need to be lubed every so often.

//

165 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:11:45pm

re: #160 ralphieboy

that and rocket technology.

True. Without von Braun, there would have been no Saturn V.

166 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:11:47pm

re: #151 freetoken

That’s a good point. My Pak friend may have been speaking as much from his own tribal sense than from anything having to do with his Islamic beliefs.

167 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:12:22pm

re: #164 Gus 802

Bicycle. You know those need to be lubed every so often.

//

Smack!

168 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:12:23pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

True. Without von Braun, there would have been no Saturn V.

Guess what? I was reading and he married his 1st cousin.

Small world.

169 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:12:28pm

re: #161 Gus 802

So if you’re stuck in some tiny village and can’t get out you know what the drill is.

Livestock?

170 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:12:47pm

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Livestock?

That’s sheep in Wyoming.

//

171 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:13:04pm

Jeff Foxworthy:

You might be a redneck if you go to family reunions to meet women!

172 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:13:41pm

re: #170 Gus 802

That’s sheep in Wyoming.

//

What a special way to say I love ewe.

173 CarleeCork  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:13:58pm

re: #171 ralphieboy

Jeff Foxworthy:

You might be a redneck if you go to family reunions to meet women!


Chuckle!

174 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:14:09pm

Back in the AM with a towercam post.

‘Night all.

175 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:14:55pm

You people are dirty.
For shame!
///

176 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:15:52pm

re: #161 Gus 802

So if you’re stuck in some tiny village and can’t get out you know what the drill is.

My grandfather shocked his relatives when he went and married a gal from “far away”. My mother was never sure just how “far away” it was (both towns are small and had small Jewish communities) until she and my father went back to Germany in 1977, the first time she’d been there since her family escaped in 1934.

It was something like 5 kilometers.

When I asked my grandmother why she’d never told my mother this fact, she said, “She wouldn’t have believed me. I wanted her to see it herself.”

177 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:16:46pm

re: #175 Varek Raith

You people are dirty.
For shame!
///

You love it./

178 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:16:47pm

re: #175 Varek Raith

Mmmm. devils dumplings.

179 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:18:19pm

I see the Redskins beat the Cowboys.
Lol, my dad must be dancing like a fool.
XD

180 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:19:48pm

Eek! I glanced at this image and though “oh noz another protester!”

Image: Lollicam_1712915c.jpg

Must reverse the mental conditioning.

181 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:19:59pm

I need to turn in. It’s back to work tomorrow and I need my sleep. Goodnight, all.

182 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:21:22pm

re: #179 Varek Raith

That was one crazy game. The Cowboys screwed themselves at the end of the second and fourth quarters. Truly a wild game.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:22:27pm

re: #16 Alouette

Is it OK for homosexual cousins to marry?

Takes away the inbreeding issue, no?

184 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:23:31pm

re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist

Takes away the inbreeding issue, no?

Wanted. Surrogate parents for child. Must be 1st cousins.

//

185 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:23:52pm

re: #157 harlequinade

The last time I was there was 95. I still miss it. But the politics has definitely changed since then.

186 freetoken  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:24:58pm

Of all my first cousins (and I’ve got 40-some) only one I can remember ever finding attractive, and that was when I was 14, I think. A few years later I didn’t even find her attractive.

187 Lidane  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:25:11pm

Is there a requirement somewhere that to be a “values voter”, you’ve got to be a bigoted, racist, anti-intellectual, anti-reason, anti-science asshole?

Seriously. I don’t understand how these people can say garbage like this and then have the gall to pretend that they care about values, or about being moral people.

188 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:25:49pm

re: #187 Lidane

Good point.

189 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:26:06pm

re: #187 Lidane

Is there a requirement somewhere that to be a “values voter”, you’ve got to be a bigoted, racist, anti-intellectual, anti-reason, anti-science asshole?

Seriously. I don’t understand how these people can say garbage like this and then have the gall to pretend that they care about values, or about being moral people.

But they go to Church every Sunday! Isn’t that enough?
/

190 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:26:33pm

“Please, he’s no different from the rest of you organisms. Shooting DNA at each other to make babies. I find it offensive!”
-Bender

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:26:55pm

re: #46 lostlakehiker


It’s not an attack on Muslims to bring to people’s attention the fact that this practice is dangerous. It’s not part of Islam, but it’s part of several cultures.

The fact that some of these cultures are Islamic doesn’t annul the other fact.

I’m pretty sure this guy is not interested in helping folks out keeping their genes nice and mixed.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:28:06pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

True, but irrelevant because that’s not what Bryan Fischer is doing. He’s creating a smear job to justify running all Muslims out of the country.

And using the now-familiar refrain that assures us that this can’t be fixed by assimilation or modernization, because Islam DOESN’T WORK LIKE THAT in his reality.

BTW, I don’t think Mohammed married a single one of his cousins. Did he?

193 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:28:55pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m pretty sure this guy is not interested in helping folks out keeping their genes nice and mixed.

Yep. It’s more of the same. Muslims are bad, m’kay. They marry their first cousins, m’kay.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:30:20pm

re: #71 lostlakehiker

It’s NOT inevitable. It’s not universal within Islam. But unfortunately, there are some regions within dar al Islam where it’s a real problem.

Sure. There are some real problems in the Bedouin community with certain birth defects. But Bryan Fischer is not talking about this because he’s worried about Bedouin babies with birth defects.

195 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:31:01pm

It is kinda interesting that those pointing out the small gene pool among some Muslims are the first to advocate the same thing among other gene pools. It’s not religion folks, it’s a racist/tribal mindset that sees anything “other” as an enemy. Remember that.

196 Lidane  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:32:25pm

re: #182 Irenicum

That was one crazy game. The Cowboys screwed themselves at the end of the second and fourth quarters. Truly a wild game.

I missed all the fun. All I know about the Cowboys game is that my friends from Dallas are pissed and a high school friend is threatening to delete people off her Facebook if they talk shit about the Cowboys because she’s a diehard and they lost.

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:32:37pm

re: #81 Surabaya Stew

The really screwed up thing is that Pakistani society really does have have a problem with inbreeding. Is ranked first in the world for it’s percentage of first cousin marriage. But as always, there is context that is missing from this bigots analysis.

Which country ranks a close second to Pakistan with similarly high rates of first cousin marriage? India! That’s right, Hindus across the border are engaged in similar long-term destructive practices on a large scale.

Islam is not the problem here, it’s the shared culture found in Pakistan and much of India that promotes first cousin marriage.

Yes, but we’re not scared of Hindus!!

198 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:32:50pm
199 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:33:20pm

re: #196 Lidane

Haha.

200 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:33:27pm

Something these morons should start reading:

[Link: www.cdc.gov…]

201 Lidane  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:34:14pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but we’re not scared of Hindus!!

True. But the same morans who fall for this kind of AFA bullshit will go after Sikhs because they think that wearing a turban = being a Muslim, since they’re too stupid to know better.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:35:39pm

re: #124 Gus 802

Fischer’s concluding paragraph:


That’s right folks. These 1st cousin marriages should be considered when thinking about allowing the building of mosques.

What a freak.

Didn’t Mr. Shelbyville of blessed memory have something to say about all of this?

203 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:36:51pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn’t Mr. Shelbyville of blessed memory have something to say about all of this?

Don’t know.

204 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:37:32pm

I’m all lost in a supermarket.

205 Varek Raith  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:39:01pm

re: #204 Irenicum

I’m all lost in a supermarket.

Just walk about aimlessly. You’ll eventually stumble upon the exit.
Or not.
:)

206 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:39:55pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

Having a Clash moment.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:41:06pm

Jebediah Springfield: People, our search is over! On this site we shall build a new town where we can worship freely, govern justly, and grow vast fields of hemp for making rope and blankets.

Shelbyville Manhattan: Yes! And marry our cousins.

Jebediah Springfield: I was- wha… what are you talking about, Shelbyville? Why would we want to marry our cousins?

Shelbyville Manhattan: Because they’re so attractive. I… I thought that was the whole point of this journey.

Jebediah Springfield: Absolutely not!

Shelbyville Manhattan: I tell you, I won’t live in a town that robs men of the right to marry their cousins!

208 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:43:46pm

re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist

Classic!

209 John Q  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:45:03pm

Charles Darwin married his cousin.

Probably makes him even more evil in the minds of the wingnuts….

210 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:45:47pm

re: #209 John Q

Oh well that just proves it all!

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:47:25pm

I was wrong, apparently Mohammed did marry a cousin—Zaynab something or other. But one out of Idunnohowmany isn’t too bad.

212 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:48:24pm

Here’s something from a reasoned, professional and medical source:

Genetic disorders in the Arab world

Lihadh Al-Gazali, professor in clinical genetics
Hanan Hamamy, professor in human genetics
Shaikha Al-Arrayad, consultant geneticist

Accepted 7 September 2006

Available evidence suggests that congenital and genetic disorders are responsible for a major proportion of infant mortality, morbidity, and handicap in Arab countries. The population of the region is characterised by large family size, high maternal and paternal age, and a high level of inbreeding with consanguinity rates in the range of 25-60%.1 2 4 w1 Certain disorders are common throughout the Arab world, including haemoglobinopathies, glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency, different congenital malformations caused by recessive genes, and several metabolic disorders. Other recessive disorders cluster in certain groups and subpopulations. Genetic services vary in extent and coverage in different Arab countries, but mostly they remain patchy, selective, and inadequate.

We present the magnitude of the problem and the currently available genetic services in Arab countries, together with recommendations for developing strategies for prevention. In view of the good coverage of primary healthcare systems in most Arab countries, community genetic services that include screening programmes could be strengthened by the efficient training of primary healthcare personnel.

Continues.

213 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:48:37pm

I. Hate. Wingnuts.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:50:25pm

The Greeks allowed half-siblings to marry, and there’s some evidence it might have been permitted in Israel in the era of the early kings. In the passage where Amnon rapes Tamar, she attempts to hold him off by suggesting that their father might allow them to get married. Granted, she’s talking for time, but it does suggest that the idea might not have been unthinkable in the era.

215 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:51:23pm

Also from the March of Dimes.

Global Report on Birth Defects
The March of Dimes Global Report on Birth Defects, The Hidden Toll of Dying and Disabled Children.

Wall map. (PDF)

So instead of giving money to the GOP or the AFA perhaps these people can give their money instead to the March of Dimes or other worthy causes that actually care about people and children.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:54:19pm

re: #215 Gus 802

Also from the March of Dimes.

Global Report on Birth Defects
The March of Dimes Global Report on Birth Defects, The Hidden Toll of Dying and Disabled Children.

Wall map. (PDF)

So instead of giving money to the GOP or the AFA perhaps these people can give their money instead to the March of Dimes or other worthy causes that actually care about people and children.

Novel concept.

217 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:58:14pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

Novel concept.

Yeah. I’m kind of blowing a manifold leak here. These low life cretins don’t even give a shit about the babies and families. All they care about is if some Mosque gets built next to their local mall and disrupts their lily white environment. All they want to do is attack and slander these poor people to satisfy their own cynical and repugnant political beliefs. They only see the birth defects as a means of furthering their xenophobic immigration policies and furthering their 1000 year war against Muslims.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:58:42pm

Anyway, on that note, I am going to bed, and Bryan Fischer can bite my hybrid-vigor-having Irish Litvak ass.

219 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 10:58:51pm

Bryan Fischer is the scum of the Earth.

OK, there are several.

220 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:03:11pm

re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyway, on that note, I am going to bed, and Bryan Fischer can bite my hybrid-vigor-having Irish Litvak ass.

Later SFZ.

221 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:18:10pm

Porky’s Pledge of Allegiance

You may notice something’s missing. This is pre 1954.

222 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:20:32pm

re: #221 Gus 802

Porky’s Pledge of Allegiance

[Video]

You may notice something’s missing. This is pre 1954.

Communist swine.

223 boredtechindenver  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:21:48pm

10 minutes until new Venture Bros. episode on the West Coast feed.

224 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:22:05pm

Slow thread calls for some Dead Zone music. Very Grateful.

225 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:24:52pm

re: #222 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Communist swine.

We should email that video to Sarah Palin. She would find it confusing.

226 Gus  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:25:05pm

Later folks.

227 Irenicum  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:27:45pm

As Bugs says to the evil scientist, nighty night.

228 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:52:02pm

When I woke up this morning, I owned a house and lived in another house with 4 other people. When I wake up this morning, I will own a house and live in another house alone.

229 Kragar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:55:20pm

re: #228 Cannadian Club Akbar

When I woke up this morning, I owned a house and lived in another house with 4 other people. When I wake up this morning, I will own a house and live in another house alone.

?

230 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:56:25pm

re: #221 Gus 802

Porky’s Pledge of Allegiance


[Video]You may notice something’s missing. This is pre 1954.

Our local community theater association has a kind of peer review process, in which three “judges” independent of the group being judged come to a production and submit written critiques on the production (it’s not supposed to be as compared to the movie, the novel, other productions, etc., but sometimes is).

A couple of years ago, I judged an exceptional production of “A Lesson Before Dying”, set in 1948 Louisiana. Several audience members were upset because the Pledge didn’t include the words “under God” and assumed it was the fault of the dang librul director. Actually, it’s correct in the script, since those words weren’t in the Pledge then. That part and the letters sent to the group didn’t bother me. What got my goat was that the other two judges said the same thing—and one of them even teaches the novel and knows what year it’s supposed to be.

Sometimes I wonder if people do any research or have any knowledge, either before or after they see a show or movie. Perhaps that’s why after over seven years as a judge, I’ve given up this year and asked the association not to send me to any more shows as a judge except in an emergency.

231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:58:25pm

re: #229 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

?

I own a house but don’t live there. I live in a house where my brothers will be gone when I wake up (i haven’t slept yet). One moving with his GF to the Island here, one moving to NC.

232 TedStriker  Sun, Sep 12, 2010 11:59:01pm

re: #219 Gus 802

Bryan Fischer is the scum of the Earth.

OK, there are several.


Dehumanization….isn’t that supposed to be one of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals that a bunch of “conservatives” have said that the left (including President Obama) has used against their opponents?

Now, the wingnuts are putting it in practice…ironic, huh?

233 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:05:58am

re: #232 talon_262

Dehumanization…isn’t that supposed to be one of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals that a bunch of “conservatives” have said that the left (including President Obama) has used against their opponents?

Now, the wingnuts are putting it in practice…ironic, huh?

Its only badong when they do it.

Yes, badong is to a word.

234 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:06:21am

and here’s where social conservatism in America leads

boom right there

235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:07:00am

re: #223 boredtechindenver

10 minutes until new Venture Bros. episode on the West Coast feed.

holy shit

236 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:09:12am

re: #235 WindUpBird

I just wait for the end of the season and watch them all together.

237 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:10:20am

re: #46 lostlakehiker

Nonsense. This is dangerous from the get-go. The Amish also have an inbreeding problem, and this, even though first-cousin marriages are not so common.

Literal, actual inbreeding is unfortunately easily confused with the insult phrase “inbred”. Literal inbreeding does cause increased rates of genetic conditions that reduce intelligence and bodily vigor.

It’s not an attack on Muslims to bring to people’s attention the fact that this practice is dangerous. It’s not part of Islam, but it’s part of several cultures.

The fact that some of these cultures are Islamic doesn’t annul the other fact.

The AFA intends this as an attack on muslims, and THAT is a fact.

238 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:10:53am

re: #236 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I just wait for the end of the season and watch them all together.

I’ve had too shitty a day today to really enjoy a new Venture Bros. right now, but I don’t think I can wait until the end of the season :D

239 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:12:27am

re: #93 lostlakehiker

Agreed. But, and this is crucial, not wrong in every last respect. It’s very difficult to avoid seeming to defend Nazism when discussing Germany’s Autobahns. Yes, yes, damned near everything about Nazism was wrong and evil. But, well, err, umm, yes, Eisenhower himself concluded that in this one limited and narrow field, they had got something right.

They got plenty right if you’re just looking at their technology.

*shrug* it’s really not a thing to admit the Nazis had a lot of amazing tech

240 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:15:32am

re: #239 WindUpBird

They got plenty right if you’re just looking at their technology.

*shrug* it’s really not a thing to admit the Nazis had a lot of amazing tech

Technology is neither a sign of strength nor moral/ethical superiority, though some treat it as such.

241 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:17:18am

re: #239 WindUpBird

They got plenty right if you’re just looking at their technology.

*shrug* it’s really not a thing to admit the Nazis had a lot of amazing tech

Like a nuke and a wooden plane? They also wrote many medical text from their “research”.

242 enoughalready  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:22:31am

Wow. That reads like something ripped straight out of Der Stürmer.

243 Kruk  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 12:41:17am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The same Bryan Fischer who has said in the past;

Crazy fuck is crazy.

Homosexual activists *and* fundamentalist Muslims running the military? I was going for a dual command, insert key into slot joke there, but it was too tasteless even for me.

244 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:02:23am

Sharron Angle cancels debate, infuriates reporter

Sharron Angle’s last-minute decision to pull out of a planned debate has angered long-time Nevada political journalist Jon Ralston.

“Earlier today, Sharron Angle’s campaign agreed to accept our invitation to debate Harry Reid on ‘Face to Face’ in an hour-long live broadcast from Reno on October 21st. Within hours of Reid accepting, Angle’s campaign called to say, well, it’s backing out now,” Ralston said on the local news show “Face to Face” Thursday. He then played a clip of Angle saying she would like to have a debate on the show with Reid.

“I thought I had seen it all in this campaign. I guess not,” Ralson continued. “I had agreement from Angle’s deputy campaign manager for this debate, but soon after we announced Reid had agreed to the date and place, her campaign spokesman called to say there was no agreement. I’m not making this up, folks. A campaign spokesman overrules a deputy campaign manager? I really don’t understand the hierarchy in that campaign.”

The Angle campaign subsequently sent out a press release saying there would be a debate — at a local high school. Ralston responded on Twitter, “But Reid won’t even be there. He already taped Q and A at skl. #lame #amateurhour.”

245 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:04:24am

inbreeding

ferchrissakes

we really have to put a stop to this nazi shit before it really gets out of hand

246 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:08:18am

Sharron Angle Flat-Out Lies 3 Times in National ABCNews Interview

247 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:11:55am

re: #245 engineer dog

inbreeding

ferchrissakes

we really have to put a stop to this nazi shit before it really gets out of hand

By any means necessary.

248 harlequinade  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:18:04am

So - I posted this down stairs a couple of floors, but it was at the tail end of a thread so I’m going to try it here:

I want to ask a serious question.

This is, I’d say, a center right board - and the republicans probably out number the democrats. So - every day we see the bad crazy, and the dog whistling etc.

Who/how are you going to vote in the mid-terms? Because, if the republicans _do_ romp to victory in November, it’s those people who will say “See, we were right” and ramp this up all the way to 2012.

And _THEN_ who will you vote for?

As a disclosure on this - I’m a european socialist. A proper one, though. I don’t mind paying more taxes if I earn more to make sure that services run.

But I can’t see how people are going to vote republican seeing what’s going on. WHO is going to romp them to victory?

249 freetoken  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:23:21am

re: #248 harlequinade


This is, I’d say, a center right board - and the republicans probably out number the democrats.

This place is what it is… probably better to try an not pigeonhole it.

250 harlequinade  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:25:19am

re: #249 freetoken

Really? Without wanting to come across as a dick - the conversation was meant to be about voting in the face of current politics, but thanks for the input

251 Kronocide  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:25:55am

It’s not worth it to really pigeonhole this place. It moved left a while ago and there’s probably more left/left center people than right/right center here nowadays.

I can’t say who I will vote for yet. Charles might run a poll later but it doesn’t really matter.

252 harlequinade  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:28:19am

This is surprising. Down thread there was a very vigorous conversation - people suggesting libertarians or whigs, but it moved on before we could look at how that vote split might change the face of things.

Maybe someone will pick it up later

253 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:29:29am

re: #248 harlequinade

I don’t know what your assumption is about me, but my days of voting GOP are finis.

254 freetoken  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:29:58am

re: #250 harlequinade

It’s just that if you’re looking for answers don’t expect them to necessarily come from point of views that might be thought of as “typical” of this blog. People wander in here all the time, and many of us seem to be rather atypical in comparison to American norms wrt political views.

As for me, I doubt I’ll vote for any (R) this November, though for the last 26 years most of my votes have been garnered by the GOP.

255 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:31:07am

The libertarians and Whigs are dumb and dumber.

256 Kronocide  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:31:50am

Well I don’t know what to call myself nowadays. I still think I’m conservative and have punched Red for 20 years, though I missed the last election. I’m now in a very blue state. I have another month or so before I really need to get to work.

I might start punching some Blue now. Don’t really know yet.

257 Kronocide  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:33:07am

I was considering being a libertarian and then a whig but Cato just ruined it for me.

258 harlequinade  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:33:43am

This is more like it :)

I can see that, Freetoken. I used to hang out on left wing sites until Obama got in, and then they became… vaguely insufferable. I never thought i’d find a place I’d be happy on a political blog, and never one that I’d be this active on.

But it’s the whole belief that the republicans are going to sweep November - but… well - as the original question went up. I don’t see how in the face of how they are going.

259 freetoken  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:35:57am

re: #258 harlequinade

I for one don’t believe the Republican propagandists who keep claiming some great sweep in November. The GOP will gain seats in both houses and maybe a few governorships, but they won’t be in total control. I expect pretty much a Congress post November that is even more dysfunctional than it now is, because the balance will be closer but no party or faction will dominate.

260 Winny Spencer  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:38:10am

Have to run but Mr Sennels is very influential in far-right circles in Europe. I know that he’s given “lectures” to the Sweden Democrats on a number of occasions, at party conferences and such.

261 Kronocide  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:47:57am

rEVOLution! luaPnoR!

262 Kronocide  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 1:59:18am

Cato, I have some cheap verdelho, Mickeys, and Lagavulin. Watcha want?

I’m working so I gotta have the Lagavulin. Beer and wine get me too drunk.

263 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 2:29:04am

Well, it’s official. I am now living alone. (which I have done before) Was a bit sad for my brother to go. Florida ia pretty much all he knows. I wish him well. A man cry send off. Don’t make me kill you.
/har

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 2:48:17am

I am so proud of the peeps on my radio. They just hooked up an Air Force Captain and his wife on the phone. Word. (with 2 men (sons) in the Army)

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 2:58:04am

bbiab.

266 eneri  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 3:21:34am

I hate to tell them but plenty Americans have no branches on their family tree.

267 Kronocide  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 3:25:31am

I bet this gets some RW blog play. In reality crap just as bad is happening here in the good ol US of A.

[Link: www.sfgate.com…]

268 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 3:36:43am

Fischer, in his own bigoted was, is bringing up a point that disturbsx a lot of people: that there are a lot of countries out there that are socially and politically and/or economically backwards and a lot of them are Muslim countires.

Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, for example, are economically advanced but are still feudal monarchies. Other states, liek Qadaffi’s Libya and Iraq under Hussein were socially progressive but still dictatorships.

He is trying to establish some sort of causal link, but I am not sure to what extent fundamental Islam is a cause or a symptom of their backwardness. And there are other countires that are just as socially and politically backwards that have nothing to do with Islam.

269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 3:44:25am

re: #179 Varek Raith

I see the Redskins beat the Cowboys.
Lol, my dad must be dancing like a fool.
XD

Alex Barron is dead to me.

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 3:55:41am

“Despite the fact that mate choice is limited to other church members, the young people do not necessarily choose to marry close relatives. The high inbreeding of the Amish population results not from marriages between first cousins but from the Intermarriages that have occurred over generations within a genetically isolated group.”

That’s kind of interesting, if you axe me.

271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 4:14:12am

“How I wish I had someone to talk to…
I’m in an awful way.”

272 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 4:34:39am

He’s in an awful way…

273 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 4:48:57am

re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“How I wish I had someone to talk to…
I’m in an awful way.”

Nothing but socks here.
/

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 4:54:39am

re: #273 Varek Raith

Nothing but socks here.
/

As long it it a strategically designated sock with a rubber band. And, dude, shave. Really.
//

275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 4:58:19am

I am still soooo pissed off after last night’s footballs…

276 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 4:58:58am

re: #275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am still sooo pissed off after last night’s footballs…

I don’t even like football.
But I’m still gonna dis the Cowboy fans.
:P

277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 4:59:55am

re: #276 Varek Raith

Oh, dis away. We deserve it.

278 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 5:01:28am

re: #277 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, dis away. We deserve it.

Do you know Tony Romo’s skirt size?
/My Bucs Rule!!!

279 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 5:01:55am

Alex Barron.
Get that man some security.
Or, don’t…

280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 5:07:16am

re: #278 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tony had a good game… is a good quarterback.

The coaching staff is letting too much of the team get away with murder.

re: #279 Varek Raith

Speaking of murder…

281 Jadespring  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 5:10:48am

Morning all.


And to add my comment about the OP… I think Fischer is a bad man.

282 Jadespring  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 5:13:32am

One of are national news programs is doing a piece on the protests this weekend. They are interviewing a Muslim 9/11 first responder right now.

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 5:13:33am

bbiab.

284 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 5:16:12am

I am a lifelong Bears fan but that touchdown that they took away from the Lions yesterday was wrong!

285 Jadespring  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 5:16:47am

re: #282 Jadespring

Bleh….are=our

‘Our’ means Canadian.

Still working on the first coffee…..

286 BongCrodny  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 5:47:13am

Now many, many years ago when I was twenty-three
I was married to a widder who was pretty as can be
This widder had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red
My father fell in love with her and soon they too were red.

This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life
My daughter was my mother for she was my father’s wife
To complicate the matter even though it brought me joy
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy

My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad
And so became my uncle though it made me very sad
For if he was my uncle then that also made him brother
Of the widow’s grown-up daughter who of course was my stepmother

Father’s wife then had a son who kept him on the run
And he became my grandchild for he was my daughter’s son
My wife is now my mother’s mother and it makes me blue
Because although she is my wife she’s my grandmother too

Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I’m her grandchild
And every time I think of it it nearly drives me wild
For now I have become the strangest case that you ever saw
As husband of my grandmother, I’m my own grandpaw.

— Ray Stevens

287 lostlakehiker  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 5:47:55am

While we’re on the topic of the scientific merits and demerits of this discussion of inbreeding, here’s a point that seems to have escaped Mr. Fischer: although inbreeding is bad for the kids, it’s not bad for the gene pool. Talk about the `damage done to the gene pool’ by this practice is at best ignorant prattle, and more likely, sheer demagoguery.

What happens with inbreeding is that some of the genes from the genetic load, a collection of damaged genes that rattle around inside all of us, is more likely to be expressed.

Harmful genetic errors that are recessive can just sit there, almost never expressed, because they almost always get paired with a dominant allele that works just fine. The allure of the exotic is nature’s way of reminding us of that, when we go to pick a mate.

With inbreeding, the mated pair share a dangerously high fraction of their genes. If both partners carry the damaged allele, and if that’s the one that makes it into the egg and into the lucky sperm, the kid is unlucky.

The incidence of the harmful allele in the population, though, goes down when the kid is too badly damaged to survive or breed. That’s right, inbreeding is (marginally, and as a technical point of no real consequence) a practice that if anything weeds out these harmful alleles.

Where inbreeding is very common and severe, the current generation will include a large number of individuals who had the bad luck to receive the same harmful allele from both parents, at several sites. This messes up their lives, but the gene pool of the suffering population is not in any way made inferior by this unfortunate practice.

Populations that are not inbred also carry around a genetic load. Just as big if not bigger. But, it does far less harm.

288 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:16:15am

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Good point. It’s true the Freedom Tower will be a few larger companies at first, but that will get most of its space filled and get it doing what is supposed to do: Make Money. The business of the WTC site is business. The memorials are important and the dead must always be respected and remembered, but for a place dedicated to trade its Profit First, Last, and Always.

Ferengi Tower???

O_o

289 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:20:03am

The Palis are showing their call for peace again today..

More Qassam rockets fired at Israel


Palestinians in Gaza fired two Qassam rockets at southern Israel Monday but no there were no reports of damage or injuries, the Israeli army said,

Residents in the western Negev were alerted by the Color Red early warning system shortly before the rockets exploded in the Sha’ar Hanegev region.

Since the eve of the Jewish New Year last week, Qassam rockets and mortar shells have been fired at southern Israel daily. In one incident Friday, a rocket exploded near day-care centers in a kibbutz in the Sha’ar Hanegev regional council.

290 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:21:49am

re: #287 lostlakehiker

So this is a fellow who probably does not believe in the theiory of evolution but is willing to use his addled and shortsighted views of genetics to prop up his arguments about why Izlam is eebil?

291 lostlakehiker  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:33:14am

re: #290 ralphieboy

So this is a fellow who probably does not believe in the theiory of evolution but is willing to use his addled and shortsighted views of genetics to prop up his arguments about why Izlam is eebil?

You can’t tell from his article whether he believes in it or not. Only, that he doesn’t understand it.

292 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:37:11am

Australia lawyer ‘smokes’ Koran, Bible pages

SYDNEY — An Australian lawyer tore pages from the Koran and the Bible and smoked them on YouTube, days after a US pastor’s threat to burn Islam’s holy book triggered deadly protests and global condemnation.

In a 12-minute clip entitled “Bible or Koran — which burns best?” Alex Stewart, who belongs to an atheist group, holds up the Christian and Muslim holy books before tearing out pages and smoking them.

At one point he lights what looks like a joint rolled from a page from the Bible, leans back after inhaling heavily and says “Holy”.

The video, which has been deleted, was posted on YouTube over the weekend, coinciding with the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks and coming after American pastor Terry Jones threatened to torch 200 copies of the Koran.

Stewart’s employer, the Queensland University of Technology, said the research lawyer is on leave following a meeting on Monday.

293 compound idaho  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:40:03am

re: #287 lostlakehiker

Hey you! Nicolai! Get out of the gene pool.

294 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:40:04am

re: #290 ralphieboy

So this is a fellow who probably does not believe in the theiory of evolution but is willing to use his addled and shortsighted views of genetics to prop up his arguments about why Izlam is eebil?

He probably thinks he came from a man made of dirt and a woman made of said man’s rib.

295 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:50:55am

re: #293 compound idaho

Hey you! Nicolai! Get out of the gene pool.

won’t be hard, he’s probably in the shallow end

296 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:01am

re: #291 lostlakehiker

You can’t tell from his article whether he believes in it or not. Only, that he doesn’t understand it.

Ever noticed how a lot of people who reject Evolution are big fans of Social Darwinism?

298 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:08:32am

re: #296 ralphieboy

Ever noticed how a lot of people who reject Evolution are big fans of Social Darwinism?

always assuming that they are the ones at the top? I’m guessing Social Darwinism is no fun if you’re not at the top of the figurative food chain.

299 nines09  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:12:39am

Now there’s someone to stand with. Not only does it seem Bryan Fischer is from the shallow end of the gene pool, he repeatedly hit his head on the bottom. Nice GOP lineup. Leadership. Just take off the suit coat and let us see the armbands. Insane.

300 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:24:21am

Fischer is a nice European name. This guy should check up on his own genetic heritage. I’m guessing he’d find a whole heapin helping of kissing cousins. It was all the rage among political dynasties in Europe.

301 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:26:24am

re: #292 NJDhockeyfan

Australia lawyer ‘smokes’ Koran, Bible pages

I don’t know why they would suspend him for making an ash of himself on his own time?

302 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:27:18am

re: #286 BongCrodny
I’m my own grandpa. West Virginia state song. /

303 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:27:55am

re: #301 DaddyG

I don’t know why they would suspend him for making an ash of himself on his own time?

He was being a butt.

304 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:29:49am

Creepy…

Russian official sacked for making boys kiss his feet

A regional Russian official sacked for forcing a group of teenagers to kiss his feet has defended his actions, claiming he was merely repeating a lesson he had learned in the Red army.

The official, Difkat Khantimerov, was fired over the weekend after a video posted on YouTube exposed the bizarre incident. The official took charge of a PE lesson and ordered a basketball squad to perform a series of arduous press-ups. He then stuck out his right shoe and ordered the boys to kiss it.

With the teenagers struggling to carry out his request, Khantimerov barked out a series of military-style commands, including “Harder!” “One, two!” and “Kiss!”. The clip shows him withdrawing his foot. He then crouches down, and lays his hand flat on the gym floor to be kissed instead.

305 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:32:07am

re: #267 BigPapa

I bet this gets some RW blog play. In reality crap just as bad is happening here in the good ol US of A.

[Link: www.sfgate.com…]

Where were worshippers of any kind knifed, hit with planks and greeted with piles of feces on their property in the US?

As bad as the ignorance is about Muslims and other minority religions I don’t see “crap just as bad” happening. Thankfully the USA is still by and large a haven for freedom of religion and expression of all types.

306 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:44:53am

re: #239 WindUpBird

re: #240 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar


The Nazis had some very advanced medical technology and tools that were honed on the bodies of concentration camp victims. My Great Uncle had unlimited mailing priveledges as a US Army medic who helped liberate a concentration camp in Germany. He sent crates of supplies home to local hopsitals so that the tools of destruction could be used to save lives. By the time he returned home he could not look at the material he mailed home without throwing up. My Great Aunt packed it up and sent it to hospitals and museums for him while he spent a few days in a hotel. WWII gave the world a leap forward in everthing from calipers to rocket ships but at what a rare price?

I cannot imagine how ghastly the experience must have been and he wasn’t even one of the victims, he was a liberator.

Technology is morally neutral. It is what we decide to do with it that gives it any kind of moral force.

307 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:48:31am

re: #189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But they go to Church every Sunday! Isn’t that enough?
/


Matthew 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

308 darthstar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:50:12am

Breitbart is still feeling the fall out from the Sherrod video. At the 9/12 rally yesterday he admitted he’s a fraud - and he isn’t going to stop (apparently, Katie Couric is now in his cross hairs for some reason).

diary and video here

309 darthstar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:01:09am

re: #308 darthstar

Damn…did Breitbart kill the thread?

310 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:09:01am

re: #309 darthstar

If it did, take a look at this:

Did you know G. Gordon Liddy made a pinup calender? Fortunately, it’s not of him.

Unfortunately, it’s of creepy-looking women holding weapons.

[Link: www.somethingawful.com…]

311 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:09:39am

re: #302 DaddyG

We once started a version of “Country Roads” with

Almost fourteen, second cousin/
minor lady, stranger to warm water…

we saw no point in continuing.

312 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:11:07am

re: #310 Obdicut

If it did, take a look at this:

Did you know G. Gordon Liddy made a pinup calender? Fortunately, it’s not of him.

Unfortunately, it’s of creepy-looking women holding weapons.

[Link: www.somethingawful.com…]

*_*

Yikes.

313 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:15:48am

re: #312 Varek Raith

*_*

Yikes.

Gordy’s been trolling {insert main street for prostitution wherever he lives}

Those are some damn scary ladies. They all seem to be butterfaces. (She’s got a great body, butterface).

314 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:17:07am

re: #313 PT Barnum

I really don’t even notice their relative attractiveness. But the expressions on their faces are just so weird, and the gun-fetish part of it just extra-creeps it all.

315 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:20:19am

re: #304 NJDhockeyfan

Creepy…

Russian official sacked for making boys kiss his feet

Lippnik from Barton Fink keeps shooting through my mind.

“Get down on your knees, you son of a bitch, and kiss this man’s feet!”

316 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:20:20am
317 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:21:35am

re: #316 Varek Raith

Image: gurren_lagann_-_yoko_littner.png
Ah, that’s better.

Better looking but still… WTFreak?

I’m sure its an anime thing.

318 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:22:35am

re: #316 Varek Raith

No, no, you can’t get away that easily.

Image: party-hard2.jpg

319 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:23:57am

re: #318 Obdicut The red clogs are a nice touch.

320 Four More Tears  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:24:03am

re: #318 Obdicut

No, no, you can’t get away that easily.

Image: party-hard2.jpg

What did I do to you that made you think I deserved to see that?

321 Winny Spencer  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:24:29am

re: #316 Varek Raith

Image: gurren_lagann_-_yoko_littner.png
Ah, that’s better.

That’s even creepier.

322 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:25:18am

Bah, you all can go the hell!
///
:)

323 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:25:27am

re: #321 Winny Spencer

That’s even creepier.

She mixes too much pink and red. A nice mint green rifle sling would have been a better choice.

324 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:25:30am

re: #318 Obdicut

No, no, you can’t get away that easily.

Image: party-hard2.jpg

where’d you find that picture of me………………??????????


(runs around frantic)

325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:25:33am

re: #316 Varek Raith

[Link: flickr.com…]

326 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:27:28am

Somewhere there is a therapist reading this thread and imagining a self-help best seller.

327 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:27:31am

He’s such a douchebag. Seriously Fischer is an asshole of the highest level. How a guy who is that big of a prick gets to be proclaimed as any of authority on values is beyond me.

328 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:28:01am

re: #304 NJDhockeyfan

Creepy…

Russian official sacked for making boys kiss his feet

You’re telling this man…this artist…what to do?

He creates for a living! Thank him, you son of a bitch, or you’re fired!

Get down on your knees, you son of a bitch!

Kiss this man’s feet!

If that son of a bitch won’t apologize to you, then goddamn it, I will.

I respect your artistry and your methods.

If you can’t fill us in yet, hell, we should be kissing your feet for your fine efforts.

You know…in the old country, we were taught as young children that there’s no shame
in supplicating yourself when you respect someone.

On behalf of Capitol Pictures, the administration,
and all of the stockholders,please accept this as a symbol of our apology and respect.

329 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:28:10am

re: #320 JasonA

What did I do to you that made you think I deserved to see that?

I freaking love that picture. I have no context for it. I have no idea where it comes from or what’s going on.

Like this one:

Image: gotime.jpg

I don’t know.

330 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:28:11am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

He’s such a douchebag. Seriously Fischer is an asshole of the highest level. How a guy who is that big of a prick gets to be proclaimed as any of authority on values is beyond me.


The biggest turds always float to the top of the punchbowl.

331 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:29:10am

re: #329 Obdicut

I freaking love that picture. I have no context for it. I have no idea where it comes from or what’s going on.

Like this one:

Image: gotime.jpg

I don’t know.


Photos of the Boxer Rebellion.

332 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:29:46am

re: #331 DaddyG

Photos of the Boxer Rebellion.

Quick! Everybody upding his work of genius!

333 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:30:07am

re: #331 DaddyG

Photos of the Boxer Rebellion.

ah yes, the brief war fought across Y fronts……………

334 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:30:40am

re: #331 DaddyG

I love the expression on his face. You can’t tell if he’s about to say “Fuck it, I’m going fishing, this isn’t worth my time” or about to launch himself at someone’s throat, pants flapping like sabot.

335 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:30:45am

Puns.
Bleh.
/
:P

336 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:31:12am

re: #334 Obdicut

How’s NYC treating you?

337 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:31:45am

re: #335 Varek Raith

Puns.
Bleh.
/
:P

you are entitled to your opinion. i do not share it though.


:p

338 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:32:23am

re: #335 Varek Raith

Puns.
Bleh.
/
:P


Pass the butter. He’s on a roll.

339 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:33:24am

re: #335 Varek Raith

Now, now, don’t be short. Just because people are going to jockey for position as best punner doesn’t mean you should get your panties in a twist. I bet if we looked through your drawers we’d find somethong just as strange. I bet people’s attention will slip soon.

340 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:34:11am

re: #336 Guanxi88

Central Park is like an awesome fairyland. I love running there in the morning.

Food is too expensive. San Francisco has great cheap food. NYC doesn’t.

New Yorkers are actually really friendly and helpful.

341 avanti  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:35:27am

Imam says resolution to NYC mosque debate in works.

“We are exploring all options as we speak right now, and we are working to what will be a solution, God willing, that will resolve this crisis, defuse it and not create any unforeseen or untoward circumstances that we do not want to see happen,” Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said during a question-and-answer session following a speech before the Council on Foreign Relations.

342 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:36:10am

re: #340 Obdicut


New Yorkers are actually really friendly and helpful.

That was my experience as well; I suspect that the barbarians all killed each other off ages ago, and only the semi-civilized thrive.

Still keep your hand on your wallet, and your watch in your pocket.

343 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:37:50am

laters gaters

344 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:37:52am

re: #339 Obdicut

Yeah…
I got nothin’.

345 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:38:42am

re: #342 Guanxi88

That was my experience as well; I suspect that the barbarians all killed each other off ages ago, and only the semi-civilized thrive.

Still keep your hand on your wallet, and your watch in your pocket.

Oh, and watch out for Murphy men. A young gad-about-town such as yourself might easily fall prey to their cunning snares.

346 darthstar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:39:00am

re: #344 Varek Raith

Yeah…
I got nothin’.

It figures you’d go commando on a pun.

347 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:44:39am

re: #340 Obdicut

Central Park is like an awesome fairyland. I love running there in the morning.

Food is too expensive. San Francisco has great cheap food. NYC doesn’t.

New Yorkers are actually really friendly and helpful.

There’s some great cheap eats around the city - just not exactly in Midtown or centered around Times Square.

[Link: newyork.timeout.com…]

Also, Grey’s Papaya has a recession special (actually it’s their regular special) - $2.50 gets you two hot dogs and a soda.

348 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:44:46am

re: #346 darthstar

It figures you’d go commando on a pun.

Image: Heh.jpg

349 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:45:13am

re: #333 wozzablog

ah yes, the brief war fought across Y fronts…

I heard it was the Boxer Rebellion.

350 darthstar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:45:22am

commute time…laters

351 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:46:10am

re: #347 lawhawk

Yeah, I was told about the Papaya place.

Sorry, I should have been more clear:

In San Francisco, it’s incredibly easy to find cheap, good food. It’s all over the place.

Here— especially in Manhattan, and utterly especially in the Upper East Side, there are lots of incredibly overpriced diners. It’s really weird.

352 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:46:45am

re: #349 PT Barnum

That gave me the slip.

353 Lidane  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:46:48am

If anyone was wondering how Alex Jones and his minions were reacting to the “Ground Zero mosque” controversy and Pam Geller’s freakshow protest, wonder no more. It’s all a CIA conspiracy:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

Heh.

354 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:47:02am

re: #349 PT Barnum

I heard it was the Boxer Rebellion.

yeesh…didn’t read the whole thread. I’m slipping. Perhaps I should just thing a thong and let the melody linger on.

355 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:47:58am

This is just one rhetorical twist away from referring to a “muslim race”.

Blood and soil. This is Nazism, with a different target.

356 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:48:14am

Apropos of nothing more than an update on Fritz the Diesel Death Snail, let me encourage all my scaly colleagues here to invest in a bottle of Marvel’s Mystery Oil, and pour same in recommended quantities into fuel and crankcase oil at regular intervals.

Stuff works; ran Fritz without it for a thousand miles and the damned thing nearly fell apart on me while idling. Added the stuff, and he’s back to his sullen purring, like an overfed housecat gone feral when his people were gone for a three-day weekend.

357 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:48:20am

re: #354 PT Barnum

yeesh…didn’t read the whole thread. I’m slipping. Perhaps I should just thing a thong and let the melody linger on.

Of course it appears that the whole thing is a fly by night operation, but it doesn’t matter as they left skid marks the minute they were called on the carpet.

358 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:48:23am

re: #351 Obdicut

Totally agreed about NYC and overpriced food options, but it’s been some time since I was in SF to compare.

359 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:48:40am

re: #355 Fozzie Bear

This is just one rhetorical twist away from referring to a “muslim race”.

Blood and soil. This is Nazism, with a different target.

“Blood and Soil” was Bismark, but we know what you mean.

360 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:49:10am

I sincerely think that people like Fischer won’t be happy until they get every single Muslim out of this country and the sad part is there are some people in this country who would support that while at the same time beating their chests as “proud Americans.” I’m so sick of xenophobic bullshit by people like Fischer in this country. The AFA should just change its name to the American Asshole Association because that’s what they are. They don’t represent families, they represent intolerance and bigotry to those who are not like htem.

361 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:49:23am

re: #353 Lidane

Oy.

362 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:50:15am

I always love waking up and seeing another stupid shitstorm created by the right wing blogosphere over something I wrote.

This time they’ve CAUGHT me editing an old post about Imam Rauf to remove the description “Islamic supremacist.” Apparently they think I was trying to “hide” something.

It’s true. I did remove the words “Islamic supremacist” from this post:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

And the reason I removed those words is simple — because I was mistaken. I jumped to conclusions, based on bad information from untrustworthy sources such as Robert Spencer, and when I came across that post recently, I corrected it so that it wouldn’t be used as some kind of bogus ammunition in this controversy.

So, of course, they attack me for that. These people are idiots.

363 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:50:54am

re: #353 Lidane

The paranoid style of American Politics.

Of course the conspiracy I believe in is the one where a secret society is actually trying to make things better for everyone.

364 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:51:50am

re: #353 Lidane

If anyone was wondering how Alex Jones and his minions were reacting to the “Ground Zero mosque” controversy and Pam Geller’s freakshow protest, wonder no more. It’s all a CIA conspiracy:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

Heh.

Heh.
That’s what the CIA wants you to think, Jones.

365 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:52:25am

re: #363 PT Barnum

The paranoid style of American Politics.

Of course the conspiracy I believe in is the one where a secret society is actually trying to make things better for everyone.

That’s the most preposterous theory of them all. No, really, it trumps the “UFO’s are actually advanced Nazi spacecraft returned from long-range secret SS missions to finish colonizing the hollow core of the artificial moon the Annunaki built the last time they swung through here.” line of argument.

366 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:52:43am

re: #359 Guanxi88

“Blood and Soil” was Bismark, but we know what you mean.

It wasn’t just Bismark. The Nazi’s co-opted the phrase “Blut und Boden”. This “racial” angle is directly out of the Nazi playbook.

367 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:53:40am

re: #365 Guanxi88

That’s the most preposterous theory of them all. No, really, it trumps the “UFO’s are actually advanced Nazi spacecraft returned from long-range secret SS missions to finish colonizing the hollow core of the artificial moon the Annunaki built the last time they swung through here.” line of argument.

Holy crap!
.
.
.
You have a misplaced period.

368 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:53:41am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

I sincerely think that people like Fischer won’t be happy until they get every single Muslim out of this country and the sad part is there are some people in this country who would support that while at the same time beating their chests as “proud Americans.” I’m so sick of xenophobic bullshit by people like Fischer in this country. The AFA should just change its name to the American Asshole Association because that’s what they are. They don’t represent families, they represent intolerance and bigotry to those who are not like htem.

AAA is taken. Perhaps American F-tard Association would work?

369 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:54:39am

re: #362 Charles

And the reason I removed those words is simple — because I was mistaken. I jumped to conclusions, based on bad information from untrustworthy sources such as Robert Spencer, and when I came across that post recently, I corrected it so that it wouldn’t be used as some kind of bogus ammunition in this controversy.

So, of course, they attack me for that. These people are idiots.

But Charles, if you change your mind because of new facts, you can’t belong to the club of people who believe the same thing regardless of evidence to the contrary!

Not that you’d want to.

370 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:54:51am

re: #355 Fozzie Bear

This is just one rhetorical twist away from referring to a “muslim race”.

Blood and soil. This is Nazism, with a different target.

It really does feel like that. The thing I’ve observed about propaganda in history is that the propagandists i.e. Goebells and the crazy anti Islam people now call the targets of their propaganda the hateful ones while at the same time saying incrediblely vile things about the targets. It’s sick and I am tired of it. It’s gotten me back in to politics after I wanted to put politics on the backburner.

371 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:55:18am

re: #362 Charles

I was mistaken. I jumped to conclusions, based on bad information from untrustworthy sources…

Its happened to some of us before. Just don’t go invading a country over it. /

372 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:55:19am

re: #368 DaddyG

AAA is taken. Perhaps American F-tard Association would work?

Oooh that would work brilliantly.

373 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:55:27am

re: #362 Charles

Changing your mind and being responsible about setting the record straight means terrible terrible things, apparently.

You see, if you didn’t edit it, then they could use it against you as evidence of hypocrisy. You’ve removed this simple joy from them by taking responsibility for what is on your blog, and so they’re very angry. They’re not creative enough to come up with a new angle of attack, so they have to say that it’s wrong of you to edit things to indicate your current opinion.

I wonder if they think when authors put out revised versions of their books with corrections in them and changed opinions that those authors are terrible people too?

374 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:56:14am

re: #365 Guanxi88

That’s the most preposterous theory of them all. No, really, it trumps the “UFO’s are actually advanced Nazi spacecraft returned from long-range secret SS missions to finish colonizing the hollow core of the artificial moon the Annunaki built the last time they swung through here.” line of argument.

Yeah, but it helps me feel a little hope that things won’t always be a shitstorm, so don’t harsh my buzz, dude.

375 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:56:21am

re: #363 PT Barnum

The paranoid style of American Politics.

Of course the conspiracy I believe in is the one where a secret society is actually trying to make things better for everyone.


The Shriners. Yup, its the Shriners.

376 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:56:27am

Also, note the tinge of eugenics to all of this, in the references to the “Muslim gene pool”. How charming. It is not at all an exaggeration to make comparisons between the early Nazi party and what has taken over the GOP. the parallels are rather stunning.

377 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:56:39am

re: #373 Obdicut

Changing your mind and being responsible about setting the record straight means terrible terrible things, apparently.

You see, if you didn’t edit it, then they could use it against you as evidence of hypocrisy. You’ve removed this simple joy from them by taking responsibility for what is on your blog, and so they’re very angry. They’re not creative enough to come up with a new angle of attack, so they have to say that it’s wrong of you to edit things to indicate your current opinion.

I wonder if they think when authors put out revised versions of their books with corrections in them and changed opinions that those authors are terrible people too?

Yes.
They would be called “flip floppers”.

378 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:56:42am

re: #367 Varek Raith

Holy crap!
.
.
.
You have a misplaced period.

They put it there. After reading an archived version of the post, retrieved from a broken down and nearly fossilized server, they realized their cover would have been blown had the whole thing been spelled out in detail so long ago, so they built a time machine.


(Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future)

379 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:57:49am

re: #375 DaddyG

The Shriners. Yup, its the Shriners.

ACtually it’s the cockroaches. Proven by the fact that if you rearrange the letters in little debbies and take out one t and add two gs it can be arranged to read Big Bugs Rule the Elite.

380 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:58:10am

re: #377 Varek Raith

Yes.
They would be called “flip floppers”.

Possibly the dumbest phrase to enter the political lexicon in recent years, right next to “homeland”.

381 researchok  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:58:33am

re: #373 Obdicut

Changing your mind and being responsible about setting the record straight means terrible terrible things, apparently.

You see, if you didn’t edit it, then they could use it against you as evidence of hypocrisy. You’ve removed this simple joy from them by taking responsibility for what is on your blog, and so they’re very angry. They’re not creative enough to come up with a new angle of attack, so they have to say that it’s wrong of you to edit things to indicate your current opinion.

I wonder if they think when authors put out revised versions of their books with corrections in them and changed opinions that those authors are terrible people too?

CJ has no need to edit or apologize- this isn’t an error in math or science.

Evolution, you know?

382 avanti  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:58:37am

re: #362 Charles

I always love waking up and seeing another stupid shitstorm created by the right wing blogosphere over something I wrote.

This time they’ve CAUGHT me editing an old post about Imam Rauf to remove the description “Islamic supremacist.” Apparently they think I was trying to “hide” something.

It’s true. I did remove the words “Islamic supremacist” from this post:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

And the reason I removed those words is simple — because I was mistaken. I jumped to conclusions, based on bad information from untrustworthy sources such as Robert Spencer, and when I came across that post recently, I corrected it so that it wouldn’t be used as some kind of bogus ammunition in this controversy.

So, of course, they attack me for that. These people are idiots.

I think you’d be better off acknowledging earlier mistakes in judgment, and accepting the flack you’ll get over trying to change the history.
We all change our opinions based on better information, and there is no shame in that. That’s my free advice, and that’s about what it’s worth.
s
.

383 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:58:57am

re: #380 Fozzie Bear

Possibly the dumbest phrase to enter the political lexicon in recent years, right next to “homeland”.

Homeland always made me think world war 2, either the nazis or the russians.

384 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:59:20am

re: #378 Guanxi88

THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, before the dawn of man as we knew him, there was Sir Santa of Claus, an ape-like creature making crude and pointless toys out of dinobones and his own waste, hurling them at chimp-like creatures with crinkled hands regardless of how they behaved the previous year. These so-called “toys” were buried as witches, and defecated upon, and hurled at predators when wakened by the searing grunts of children. It wasn’t a holly jolly Christmas that year. For many were killed.

385 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:00:03am

re: #373 Obdicut

I wonder if they think when authors put out revised versions of their books with corrections in them and changed opinions that those authors are terrible people too?

It is a cheap and oft used debating trick. As soon as someone makes a change (or even an edit) accuse them of flip flopping or hiding something. Never mind the fact that revelation, growth and learning are supposed to be good things.

386 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:00:43am

re: #383 PT Barnum

Homeland always made me think world war 2, either the nazis or the russians.

Exactly my reaction. I cringed a little when I heard that there was a new government bureaucracy with that word in the title. It’s a little too close to “motherland” or “fatherland” for comfort, for me. It really is basic “blood and soil” stuff.

387 Guanxi88  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:01:52am

re: #384 Varek Raith

THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, before the dawn of man as we knew him, there was Sir Santa of Claus, an ape-like creature making crude and pointless toys out of dinobones and his own waste, hurling them at chimp-like creatures with crinkled hands regardless of how they behaved the previous year. These so-called “toys” were buried as witches, and defecated upon, and hurled at predators when wakened by the searing grunts of children. It wasn’t a holly jolly Christmas that year. For many were killed.

I had an uncle and a physics teacher who were just like that.

388 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:02:38am

re: #383 PT Barnum

Homeland always made me think world war 2, either the nazis or the russians.


I got a more British “Home Office” out of it.

389 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:03:00am

I hate “flip-flopper” too. Of course sometimes it seems understandable since it seems that some politicans do blatantly change their positions for a tough primary. But on the other hand, it’s not that simple, people’s ideas and perspectives can and do change. I don’t believe in all the same stuff that I did at 22 that I do now at 23 for example. My philosophy is constantly in evolution since I am constantly reading and learning new things.

390 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:08:49am

There are 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world [Link: www.religioustolerance.org…] (Including the very nice restaurant owner who served me lunch today in Amsterdam. I was in the mood for mid-eastern food.)

I’d be willing to bet that they have less of an “inbreeding” problems than, say, Mormons, Amish, or even Jews, given their vast numbers.

391 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:11:46am

re: #382 avanti

I think you’d be better off acknowledging earlier mistakes in judgment, and accepting the flack you’ll get over trying to change the history.
We all change our opinions based on better information, and there is no shame in that. That’s my free advice, and that’s about what it’s worth.
s
.

Well, I have to say I don’t agree. If I discover an error in a post, no matter how old it is, I reserve the right to correct that error. It was an error to call Rauf an “Islamic supremacist,” so I corrected it, just like I’d correct an error in a post I put up a few minutes ago.

392 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:14:22am

BTW: The “uncle and niece” marriage in Judaism has been officially discouraged:

Traditionally, Judaism does permit marriages between uncles and nieces. In fact, it is considered in the Talmud to be a meritorious match (B. Yevamot 62b). By the late medieval period, however, at least some Jewish legal authorities wished to end or limit the practice. For example, Sefer Hasidim declares that a marriage between an uncle and niece “will not be successful,” an apparent effort to discourage the practice. (Source: [Link: judaism.about.com…] I’m on the road and too lazy to get a definitive source, but I think this is pretty accurate)

It never was a “commandment” (unlike a single man’s obligation to marry his brother’s wife if his brother should pass away), just acceptable.

But the point is, of course, these Christians who want “Judeo Christian Ethics” and want to live as Jesus did have some reading up to do….


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