I’ve watched every episode of Martin Scorsese’s “Boardwalk Empire” on HBO, but never noticed how much of the show was computer generated. Here’s an amazing video from Brainstorm Digital showing how it was done.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:45:47pm |
How in the hell could you notice. Amazing.
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sod Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:47:37pm |
I didn't realize how much of LGF is computer generated.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:47:42pm |
re: #2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How in the hell could you notice. Amazing.
we grew up with rubber masks and wires to hold up rocket ships...feel old yet?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:48:05pm |
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Kragar Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:49:13pm |
Overall, the best special effects are not the ones that scream out "HEY LOOK AT ME!", but add to the story without distracting you from it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:49:58pm |
re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Overall, the best special effects are not the ones that scream out "HEY LOOK AT ME!", but add to the story without distracting you from it.
Case in point? Avatar.
Unwatchable shit, IMO.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:51:08pm |
re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Case in point? Avatar.
Unwatchable shit, IMO.
didn't see it....my time is too precious for such trivialties
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Kragar Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:51:20pm |
re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Case in point? Avatar.
Unwatchable shit, IMO.
Good looking movie, but the story was just silly.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:53:29pm |
Boardwalk Empire is a terrific series, by the way. If you liked The Wire and The Sopranos, this show is right up your alley. The CGI stuff is supporting a real story in this one.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:55:36pm |
re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Good looking movie, but the story was just silly.
my first wife was just like that....anyway, District 9 was pretty cool...solid plot, killer visuals
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:56:46pm |
I just couldn't buy Buscemi and gave up. Should I try again.
I did like the actor who played Capone.
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sod Sat, Jan 1, 2011 5:58:46pm |
re: #12 albusteve
my first wife was just like that...anyway, District 9 was pretty cool...solid plot, killer visuals
Yeah I liked District 9 but going in I wasn't expecting to. Just saw the new True Grit couple of nights ago - I liked it a lot but then I'm biased toward Cohen Brother's stuff.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:00:50pm |
A few years back, I read a computer animation student's comparison between the use of CGI by George Lucas and Peter Jackson. His arguement was that Lucas used it as a distraction. Huge battle scenes of faceless drones, big explosions that seemed more like an arcade game than a movie, huge set peices but very little depth/
Jackson used CGI to enhance the story. He would show characters which the audience identified with, then place them into a larger context using CGI to show their place in a bigger picture, or interact with their surroundings on a more personal level to set atmosphere.
Had an interesting slide show comparing the Droids versus the Gungans and how it failed to connect with an audience versus the Charge at Minas Tirith and how it produced a stronger reaction.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:01:58pm |
re: #12 albusteve
my first wife was just like that...anyway, District 9 was pretty cool...solid plot, killer visuals
Tons of effects, but they didn't spend time trying to cram it at you saying "LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:02:29pm |
re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But they did have something in common.
The both made fierce looking armies that were extraordinarily easy to kill.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:02:32pm |
re: #14 sod
Yeah I liked District 9 but going in I wasn't expecting to. Just saw the new True Grit couple of nights ago - I liked it a lot but then I'm biased toward Cohen Brother's stuff.
yeah, they say I'm biased toward the Stones, but I don't believe it....you cannot be biased and open minded at once....I just try to look at each thing on it's own
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:02:33pm |
Wow, the CGI is amazing!
re: #11 Charles
Boardwalk Empire is a terrific series, by the way. If you liked The Wire and The Sopranos, this show is right up your alley. The CGI stuff is supporting a real story in this one.
Dammit, I loved The Wire & The Sopranos but I only have basic cable. Now I feel frickkin' deprived, thanks.//
It's bad enough that I'm willing to pay iTunes for Sons of Anarchy.
Which reminds, I guess if I can throw my hard-earned money at iTunes, then I should at least make a donation to LGF this month...
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:02:44pm |
re: #11 Charles
Boardwalk Empire is a terrific series, by the way. If you liked The Wire and The Sopranos, this show is right up your alley. The CGI stuff is supporting a real story in this one.
At my dad's funeral, my 82-year-old uncle got up to give a eulogy. He started talking about how my dad helped him get his first job, as a bellhop at an Atlantic City hotel in the 1940's, and then he started rambling and babbling about "Boardwalk Empire."
Really. At my Dad's funeral.
My mom didn't know how to make him stop, short of slapping him right there next to my dad's casket.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:03:39pm |
Filming stuff like this used to take set designers and carpenters and special permits and hundreds (or thousands) of extras. It's great from the producer's and consumer's point of view, not so great for all those people who used to make a living from doing those things.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:04:04pm |
re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
But they did have something in common.
The both made fierce looking armies that were extraordinarily easy to kill.
All fantasy settings are inherently racist.
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:04:10pm |
re: #20 Alouette
We are here to mourn this guy, but have you seen this frickin' show on HBO?! It's frickin' great...
Jeez...
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:06:12pm |
re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
We are here to mourn this guy, but have you seen this frickin' show on HBO?! It's frickin' great...
Jeez...
Every time I think about it I just want to slap him.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:07:14pm |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:07:52pm |
re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
James Cameron hired Peter Jacksons special effects studio for Avatar. He was so impressed by King Kongs eyes. Eyes are a usual weak spot for CGI.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:08:11pm |
re: #24 Alouette
Can't imagine. By the way, again, my condolences. Glad to be in 2011 and out of 2010.
By the way, a bunch of famous folks died last year... I was shocked going through this list.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:10:13pm |
re: #27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can't imagine. By the way, again, my condolences. Glad to be in 2011 and out of 2010.
By the way, a bunch of famous folks died last year... I was shocked going through this list.
one of my very best friends died this past July...I could give a fuck about strangers...seem harsh?
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:11:14pm |
FWIW, Atlantic City is still ridiculously corrupt through & through. At least it was when I lived there in the late 1990's.
No shortage of mobsters, hookers, drug dealers, grifters, and crooked cops, politicians & bureaucrats. And if you drive a few blocks away from the glitz of the casinos, you feel like you're in a 3rd world country.
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wee fury Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:11:19pm |
re: #24 Alouette
Every time I think about it I just want to slap him.
Possibly finding it easier to start talking about a TV program than to continue to talk about a person he loved. Sad.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:11:33pm |
re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I just couldn't buy Buscemi and gave up. Should I try again.
I did like the actor who played Capone.
So did I. One good thing about BE is that it gets Al Capone much closer to the truth than previous movie and TV efforts have. In 1920 Al Capone was only 21 and was still a nobody. But he would learn so effectively from Johnny Torrio and show such skill and ferocity of his own that with 9 years he would be Chicago's 'Big Fellow", the ruler of Chicago crime.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:13:44pm |
re: #28 albusteve
My mom died, and I'm finding it interesting. So, not harsh. Just two different people.
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wee fury Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:13:56pm |
re: #24 Alouette
At my Mom's wake -- a woman I didn't know came up to me and proceeded to tell me how much my Mother must have suffered from her cancer before she died.
I was not consoled.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:15:09pm |
re: #33 wee fury
At my Mom's wake -- a woman I didn't know came up to me and proceeded to tell me how much my Mother must have suffered from her cancer before she died.
I was not consoled.
wakes and funerals bring out all sorts of lunacy...we just don't do them in my family....we party
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:15:42pm |
re: #33 wee fury
I was dad's "protection" during the wake and funeral and after-stuff. Someone would come up to him and as soon as was necessary, I would shoo them off.
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wee fury Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:19:28pm |
re: #34 albusteve
Well, this was an Irish wake.
The woman may have had too much of the bubbly.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:20:01pm |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:20:41pm |
re: #32 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My mom died, and I'm finding it interesting. So, not harsh. Just two different people.
my point, not that you missed it, is simple....I save my emotion for those I know well and love, with rare exception....anybody, not even my closest friends, ever approached the death of my dad....an epic loss for me and after seven years I miss him to tears
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:21:47pm |
From the Wiki on Boardwalk Empire. That CGI stuff ain't cheap.
The first episode was directed by Martin Scorsese and was the most expensive pilot episode to produce in television history. On September 1, 2010, HBO picked up the series for an additional 11 episodes.The series debuted on September 19, 2010.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:21:58pm |
re: #36 wee fury
Well, this was an Irish wake.
The woman may have had too much of the bubbly.
two tickets, two drinks
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:23:54pm |
re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Tons of effects, but they didn't spend time trying to cram it at you saying "LOOK HOW COOL THIS IS."
I like anything that manages to be futuristic without being overly glossy. That's why the first Star Wars trilogy was awesome, and the second one sucked. They're in space--so why does it look like the action is taking place in a really, really big Marriot, and sections of Disneyland?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:24:36pm |
there's some fantastic subtle CGI in Children of Men, a lot of really hard to film tracing shots and shots with impossible 360 degree angles were built digitally
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:24:49pm |
re: #43 WindUpBird
tracking, not tracing
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:25:24pm |
re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, sure. It's cool.
pass the kleenex....I'm detoxing from pain meds, so I'm exceptionally emotional...life is a bitch sometimes
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:25:28pm |
re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist
I like anything that manages to be futuristic without being overly glossy. That's why the first Star Wars trilogy was awesome, and the second one sucked. They're in space--so why does it look like the action is taking place in a really, really big Marriot, and sections of Disneyland?
All hail the junky future. Blade Runner being my favorite example of a movie imagined future. Go Syd mead!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:28:03pm |
re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
All fantasy settings are inherently racist.
/
I'm just standing by to see what the new series of Narnia movies is going to do when they hit the books with the Calormenes--"The Horse and His Boy" and the "The Last Battle" are going to be interesting.
Then again, I will not see 'The Last Battle' for any reason, as it ticks me off. And I haven't actually seen any of the movies except "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe", which was appreciated by my students at the time only in that the boy who plays Peter was considered, memorably, by one of them, to be 'the best-looking white boy I've ever seen'.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:28:52pm |
LOL! Love the shipping containers in the background! With the imbalance of trade, you can get free for delivery shipping containers. Folks are building housing & all kinds of things out of them A friend got one with nice hardwood flooring!
[Link: www.mobilemini.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:29:15pm |
re: #33 wee fury
At my Mom's wake -- a woman I didn't know came up to me and proceeded to tell me how much my Mother must have suffered from her cancer before she died.
I was not consoled.
This is why formal etiquette is good. People left to their own devices say unfortunate shit at times of mourning.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:30:00pm |
The film industry is undergoing the same technological winnowing that crushed the music industry in the 80s and 90s. Computer techniques are becoming more cost-effective than hiring real people.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:31:12pm |
re: #50 Charles
It's killing a lot of jobs in LA.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:31:28pm |
re: #34 albusteve
wakes and funerals bring out all sorts of lunacy...we just don't do them in my family...we party
My cousin missed most of my grandmother's 'wake' (which is, after several generations in America, no longer actually a wake, but a reception after the funeral Mass--but we call it a wake--cope), because my aunt bought three pounds of brownies for the mourners.
The dog, stressed out from Grandma's death, and left alone in the house, found, opened, and ate the whole three pounds.
My cousin was thus forced to spend the afternoon at the vets, while the dog was given drugs, and threw up a lot.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:32:41pm |
re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist
You do tell of some wonderful life experiences!
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:33:00pm |
Call centers are coming back to the U.S.A. I'm currently providing back-end support for automotive call centers located in Michigan and Florida.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:33:38pm |
re: #21 Charles
Filming stuff like this used to take set designers and carpenters and special permits and hundreds (or thousands) of extras. It's great from the producer's and consumer's point of view, not so great for all those people who used to make a living from doing those things.
yeah, but it also makes for better art and more opportunities for those without million dollar budgets or access to hollowood, access to big money, to execs, artists in other corner sof the country and the globe who will never get their work in front of the tastemakers, it gives them the opportunity to make art. that competes. Maybe less big show-stopper budgets, but more opportunities to be realized overall.
Primer, one of my favorite films of all time, was filmed for like seven thousand dollars: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Musicwise, you can buy a decent computer and a little USB/Firewire recording interface and protools/sonar/ableton/etc for a quarter of what I spent on my college PC in 1995 and have more power than you'll ever need to create a polished album.
The opposite is true in video games. Atari games from the 2600/5200 era were one man or two man affairs, an engineer and often no artist. Even in the 16-bit pc era and the Nintendo era, more polished games were still 3-6 people. Now, a AAA game on the xbox or the Ps3 is teams and teams and teams of people, tens of millions of dollars in budgets, multi-year dev cycles.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:33:45pm |
re: #50 Charles
The film industry is undergoing the same technological winnowing that crushed the music industry in the 80s and 90s. Computer techniques are becoming more cost-effective than hiring real people.
Happens to any industry. The arts don't get an exemption.
Pretty much read the same verdict already in a review for Final Fantasy VII Advent Children back in 2005.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:36:23pm |
re: #50 Charles
The film industry is undergoing the same technological winnowing that crushed the music industry in the 80s and 90s. Computer techniques are becoming more cost-effective than hiring real people.
thanks for making that point....another reason to hit the bricks and support your local or favorite players...don't let it die
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:36:48pm |
Lots of rage going into 2011:
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:37:08pm |
re: #57 albusteve
thanks for making that point...another reason to hit the bricks and support your local or favorite players...don't let it die
Local music is a thing that will never stop being important to me *_*
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:37:24pm |
What song is playing in the background of that clip? Anybody? It sounds vintage, or somebody new trying to sound like 1968.
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sod Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:38:37pm |
re: #55 WindUpBird
Primer, one of my favorite films of all time, was filmed for like seven thousand dollars: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Primer is one of my favorites too. He did most or all of the music in it too which I also enjoyed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:38:47pm |
re: #4 albusteve
we grew up with rubber masks and wires to hold up rocket ships...feel old yet?
some of us who didn't grow up with it, really do like the realm of rubber masks and wires :D Witness all the 20-30-somethings rediscovering old Japanese monster movies and realizing they can make it work in their garage
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:39:24pm |
re: #61 sod
Primer is one of my favorites too. He did most or all of the music in it too which I also enjoyed.
yes!
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:39:24pm |
re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist
My cousin missed most of my grandmother's 'wake' (which is, after several generations in America, no longer actually a wake, but a reception after the funeral Mass--but we call it a wake--cope), because my aunt bought three pounds of brownies for the mourners.
The dog, stressed out from Grandma's death, and left alone in the house, found, opened, and ate the whole three pounds.
My cousin was thus forced to spend the afternoon at the vets, while the dog was given drugs, and threw up a lot.
yup, a good story everybody will remember...when my grandpas and uncles all passes away, we played pool, poker, drank a lot, listened to music raised a bit of hell....we have been more reserved when the womenfolk exit
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:39:27pm |
re: #48 Floral Giraffe
LOL! Love the shipping containers in the background! With the imbalance of trade, you can get free for delivery shipping containers. Folks are building housing & all kinds of things out of them A friend got one with nice hardwood flooring!
[Link: www.mobilemini.com...]
Heh.
My great-great-grandfather, when he arrived in this country from Germany, ended up in New Orleans, where he bought a piece of land on the river, and purchased the rafts that were used to ship stuff downriver, then he sold the wood for building purposes.
He coulda made a business out of what you describe.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:39:49pm |
re: #45 albusteve
Steve, my mom passed in '94 at Christmas time, at least twenty years too young. I'm not coming off meds, and that still gets me every year. God so many years ago and it still aches.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:41:59pm |
re: #59 WindUpBird
Local music is a thing that will never stop being important to me *_*
I live for screeching riffs and tear jerking blues myself....good for you bro...some of the best stuff is just across town
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:43:07pm |
re: #51 Floral Giraffe
It's killing a lot of jobs in LA.
Nothing to be done about it. Building a set is very expensive, and CGI costs less.
One interesting thing to note about Boardwalk Empire was that the scenes from the hotel where the Republican National Convention of 1920 was being held were neither sets nor CGI. They were shot at Chicago's Blackstone Hotel, which hosted that convention and whose public spaces have changed little in appearance since 1920 (though the hotel has been modernized, the changes are not overt for the most part0.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:46:53pm |
re: #65 reine.de.tout
Heh.
My great-great-grandfather, when he arrived in this country from Germany, ended up in New Orleans, where he bought a piece of land on the river, and purchased the rafts that were used to ship stuff downriver, then he sold the wood for building purposes.He coulda made a business out of what you describe.
And when he died, his wife, who was much younger tha he was, not wishing to run the lumber yard, moved to Covington, LA and with her sons, built the "Seiler Building" in 1906, a historic landmark that at the time was a state-of-the art prominent saloon, cafe and oyster bars in St. Tammany Parish. Of note were the massive solid mahogany bars and counters throughout this fine example of turn of the century urban architecture. It, alas, burned down in 1998, but has been restored and now has a new life.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:47:03pm |
re: #67 albusteve
I live for screeching riffs and tear jerking blues myself...good for you bro...some of the best stuff is just across town
I was sorta lucky in that I was in high school when my city was a national music phenomenon, so it really made an impression on me when before I was just being peppered with dumb hair metal (which I am still dorky and sentimental for, but which i know is often heavily controlled by music executives and producers) , I saw these bands in Seattle whose relatives worked at local music stores I shopped at, all becoming famous, everything getting so big so fast, and then I just thought "how much other good music is in my town?"
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:48:16pm |
re: #66 Rightwingconspirator
Steve, my mom passed in '94 at Christmas time, at least twenty years too young. I'm not coming off meds, and that still gets me every year. God so many years ago and it still aches.
my dad was easily my best friend....raised me in a sort of principled, smash mouth way...keep it simple, never give up and never give in....ever
I don't expect to ever get over him, now the onus is on me to carry the torch and I'm doing my best....both my kids are super composed and wonderful, but neither will let anybody fuck with them, and they back each other up....how's that, Charlie?....see you down the road
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Kragar Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:48:38pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm just standing by to see what the new series of Narnia movies is going to do when they hit the books with the Calormenes--"The Horse and His Boy" and the "The Last Battle" are going to be interesting.
Then again, I will not see 'The Last Battle' for any reason, as it ticks me off. And I haven't actually seen any of the movies except "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe", which was appreciated by my students at the time only in that the boy who plays Peter was considered, memorably, by one of them, to be 'the best-looking white boy I've ever seen'.
My D&D crew took a while to adjust to the fact I took no notice of "racial alignment" guidelines
"Wait, we have to protect Orcs from a band of marauding humans?"
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:49:03pm |
re: #70 reine.de.tout
And when he died, his wife, who was much younger tha he was, not wishing to run the lumber yard, moved to Covington, LA and with her sons, built the "Seiler Building" in 1906, a historic landmark that at the time was a state-of-the art prominent saloon, cafe and oyster bars in St. Tammany Parish. Of note were the massive solid mahogany bars and counters throughout this fine example of turn of the century urban architecture. It, alas, burned down in 1998, but has been restored and now has a new life.
I love history...even yours!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:49:17pm |
re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
My D&D crew took a while to adjust to the fact I took no notice of "racial alignment" guidelines
"Wait, we have to protect Orcs from a band of marauding humans?"
Orc public school integration!
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elizajane Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:51:31pm |
re: #33 wee fury
At my Mom's wake -- a woman I didn't know came up to me and proceeded to tell me how much my Mother must have suffered from her cancer before she died.
I was not consoled.
At my mother's funeral, strangers kept approaching me and telling me how spiritual she had been and how much the church had meant to her. In fact, she had left a considerable sum of money to the church.
As I had known her, she had never been in the least bit religious, barely consented to take us to the Moravian christmas eve service to hear the choir perform. It was completely surreal to be assured that she had died knowing God.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:51:41pm |
re: #58 000G
Lots of rage going into 2011:Tea Party Activists Angry at G.O.P. Leaders
Now we get to see who's in charge. .I suspect the Tea Party outrage with the Republicans won't last long. They'll fall in line soon.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:51:57pm |
re: #74 albusteve
I love history...even yours!
Merci!
My grandmother's sister wrote down her recollections of stories from her grandmother and her father, about when they first moved to Covington. Apparently, they were not very well-received, and there are stories about men coming at night to threaten the family to move out, yada yada yada.
At some point, it appears everything must have been smoothed over, my great-grandfather was mayor at one point in the early 1900's.
The property was lost, apparently the brothers were all alcoholic and, well, just made a mess of things.
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sod Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:53:49pm |
re: #67 albusteve
I live for screeching riffs and tear jerking blues myself...good for you bro...some of the best stuff is just across town
Well, they're not local and completely off-topic but I'm so excited I wanted to share that I just bought tickets to the see The Church in Atlanta (5 hrs away) in February. This will be about the 5th time I've seen them. Last year they played one song from each of their releases (23) in reverse chronological order. This time they are playing 3 albums in there entirety. Untitled #23, Priest=Aura, and Starfish.
I can't wait!
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:54:12pm |
re: #54 Alouette
Call centers are coming back to the U.S.A. I'm currently providing back-end support for automotive call centers located in Michigan and Florida.
Thank goodness. I hate myself whenever I have to talk to someone in a call center overseas because the second I hear the accent I turn into the Queen of Snark and have zero patience. I know it's wrong to be so nasty, but I just can't help myself for some reason. Accents don't bother me in any other situation.
I guess it's because when I'm calling it's usually because I'm already having a problem with some product or service, so I'm already annoyed. Having usually paid top dollar American prices for whatever I'm calling about, I get doubly annoyed because I feel should at least get customer service people who speak intelligible English. IOW, I'm actually annoyed at the company, but I take it out on the person who answers the phone. That's pretty shitty, but I can't seem to stop.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:54:48pm |
re: #79 sod
Well, they're not local and completely off-topic but I'm so excited I wanted to share that I just bought tickets to the see The Church in Atlanta (5 hrs away) in February. This will be about the 5th time I've seen them. Last year they played one song from each of their releases (23) in reverse chronological order. This time they are playing 3 albums in there entirety. Untitled #23, Priest=Aura, and Starfish.
I can't wait!
I LOVE THAT BAND
Numbers and Pharoah are my favorite church songs, there's a Seattle band called Blackbird Orchestra which is sorta in the same vein
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:55:09pm |
re: #65 reine.de.tout
Heh.
My great-great-grandfather, when he arrived in this country from Germany, ended up in New Orleans, where he bought a piece of land on the river, and purchased the rafts that were used to ship stuff downriver, then he sold the wood for building purposes.He coulda made a business out of what you describe.
My son is really into genealogy, and he found out that my great-grandfather was one of the biggest movers of stolen goods through Michigan and Ohio (and probably Canada) 100 years ago!
He told me, "don't tell Grandma."
I asked him, "how did you learn this?"
He said, "Newspaper archives. You think you're the only one putting microfilm online?"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:55:44pm |
re: #79 sod
huh, they're playing Seattle. tempting to go. O_O
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:55:50pm |
re: #80 CuriousLurker
Thank goodness. I hate myself whenever I have to talk to someone in a call center overseas because the second I hear the accent I turn into the Queen of Snark and have zero patience. I know it's wrong to be so nasty, but I just can't help myself for some reason. Accents don't bother me in any other situation.
I guess it's because when I'm calling it's usually because I'm already having a problem with some product or service, so I'm already annoyed. Having usually paid top dollar American prices for whatever I'm calling about, I get doubly annoyed because I feel should at least get customer service people who speak intelligible English. IOW, I'm actually annoyed at the company, but I take it out on the person who answers the phone. That's pretty shitty, but I can't seem to stop.
{CL}
You're not the only one.
What I really hate is when they insist on going through their "script", and keep asking me if I've done a, b and c, when I've already told them I've tried a, b and c and it didn't work.
argh.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:56:01pm |
re: #71 WindUpBird
I was sorta lucky in that I was in high school when my city was a national music phenomenon, so it really made an impression on me when before I was just being peppered with dumb hair metal (which I am still dorky and sentimental for, but which i know is often heavily controlled by music executives and producers) , I saw these bands in Seattle whose relatives worked at local music stores I shopped at, all becoming famous, everything getting so big so fast, and then I just thought "how much other good music is in my town?"
probably a lot...when I moved to ABQ from the midwest, I gave up a lot of convenience of following national acts and driving to the East coast for parties and music....and until my leg fell off, I just flew to wherever and took it from there....now I'm down for repairs, but one day I'll be in a town near you, rockin the scene again
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:56:33pm |
re: #82 Alouette
My son is really into genealogy, and he found out that my great-grandfather was one of the biggest movers of stolen goods through Michigan and Ohio (and probably Canada) 100 years ago!
He told me, "don't tell Grandma."
I asked him, "how did you learn this?"
He said, "Newspaper archives. You think you're the only one putting microfilm online?"
I haven't yet come across any criminals. Just alcoholics.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:57:25pm |
re: #72 albusteve
my dad was easily my best friend...raised me in a sort of principled, smash mouth way...keep it simple, never give up and never give in...ever
I don't expect to ever get over him, now the onus is on me to carry the torch and I'm doing my best...both my kids are super composed and wonderful, but neither will let anybody fuck with them, and they back each other up...how's that, Charlie?...see you down the road
Okay, now you're making me tear up. Stop it or I'm going to hug you right here in front of everyone.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:58:17pm |
re: #85 albusteve
It has been tempting to empty my bank account flying to concerts where the act will never tour the US. I've yet to hop on a plane just for a show, but I've traveled long distances by bus
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:58:37pm |
re: #86 reine.de.tout
We found a serious speculator, that had to be bailed out in 1890 to the tune of $9,000. Sister is having fun with ancestry dot com
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:00:09pm |
re: #79 sod
Well, they're not local and completely off-topic but I'm so excited I wanted to share that I just bought tickets to the see The Church in Atlanta (5 hrs away) in February. This will be about the 5th time I've seen them. Last year they played one song from each of their releases (23) in reverse chronological order. This time they are playing 3 albums in there entirety. Untitled #23, Priest=Aura, and Starfish.
I can't wait!
good for you...time for a VIP All Area Pass, eh?....that's exactly how I got in with the big dogs, just kept showing up....Florida, Texas, NY...sooner or later they might see you and reward you....if I were tour manager, I would.....loyalty is priceless
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:00:17pm |
re: #89 Floral Giraffe
We found a serious speculator, that had to be bailed out in 1890 to the tune of $9,000. Sister is having fun with ancestry dot com
I LOVE ancestry.com.
One of my brothers got interested in it, as well, so I've 'shared' the family tree with him so we can both do some looking. It's been a ton of fun.
I did find, way back, on my DAD's side of the family (the Kentucky branch), an incident where apparently, two first cousins got married. Uh-oh.
I'm trying to figure out if I screwed up the research, or if it really did happen.
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sod Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:00:22pm |
re: #81 WindUpBird
I LOVE THAT BAND
Numbers and Pharoah are my favorite church songs, there's a Seattle band called Blackbird Orchestra which is sorta in the same vein
Numbers is in my top ten favorite Church songs for sure. Great tune but I have kind of thing for songs that have counting in them.
I'll have to check out Blackbird Orchestra. I listen to mostly current music - it's nice that the Church have stayed together and been as prolific as they have been. It's new music and a walk down memory lane at the same time if you know what I mean.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:01:22pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm just standing by to see what the new series of Narnia movies is going to do when they hit the books with the Calormenes--"The Horse and His Boy" and the "The Last Battle" are going to be interesting.
Then again, I will not see 'The Last Battle' for any reason, as it ticks me off. And I haven't actually seen any of the movies except "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe", which was appreciated by my students at the time only in that the boy who plays Peter was considered, memorably, by one of them, to be 'the best-looking white boy I've ever seen'.
I predict they'll re-write them entirely for 'Horse'. I don't think "The Last Battle" can be made into a Hollywood movie, it's too overtly Christian to gain much from overseas markets.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:01:30pm |
re: #91 reine.de.tout
I LOVE ancestry.com.
One of my brothers got interested in it, as well, so I've 'shared' the family tree with him so we can both do some looking. It's been a ton of fun.I did find, way back, on my DAD's side of the family (the Kentucky branch), an incident where apparently, two first cousins got married. Uh-oh.
I'm trying to figure out if I screwed up the research, or if it really did happen.
My mom and dad are cousins (first cousins, with a remove)
I have 10 fingers and 10 toes, and none of my kids were born without eyes.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:01:38pm |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:01:56pm |
re: #88 WindUpBird
It has been tempting to empty my bank account flying to concerts where the act will never tour the US. I've yet to hop on a plane just for a show, but I've traveled long distances by bus
two words....
$$$
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:02:54pm |
re: #87 CuriousLurker
Okay, now you're making me tear up. Stop it or I'm going to hug you right here in front of everyone.
sorry....I'm not well right now
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:03:05pm |
re: #92 sod
Numbers is in my top ten favorite Church songs for sure. Great tune but I have kind of thing for songs that have counting in them.
I'll have to check out Blackbird Orchestra. I listen to mostly current music - it's nice that the Church have stayed together and been as prolific as they have been. It's new music and a walk down memory lane at the same time if you know what I mean.
Oh heavens yes, I'm a Skinny Puppy fan, I love their new stuff and their stuff they did when I was 8 :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:04:14pm |
re: #92 sod
Numbers is in my top ten favorite Church songs for sure. Great tune but I have kind of thing for songs that have counting in them.
I'll have to check out Blackbird Orchestra. I listen to mostly current music - it's nice that the Church have stayed together and been as prolific as they have been. It's new music and a walk down memory lane at the same time if you know what I mean.
also, I always took Numbers to be their oblique 9/11 song, wondering if you got the same impression
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:04:19pm |
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:05:02pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:05:03pm |
re: #94 Alouette
My mom and dad are cousins (first cousins, with a remove)
I have 10 fingers and 10 toes, and none of my kids were born without eyes.
haha.
No evidence of any real weirdness in that side of the family; all the alcoholics were on Mom's German/Irish side.
I would be willing to bet you are the only person here besides me who knows what first cousin, once-removed is (which is different from a second cousin).
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:05:23pm |
re: #91 reine.de.tout
I LOVE ancestry.com.
One of my brothers got interested in it, as well, so I've 'shared' the family tree with him so we can both do some looking. It's been a ton of fun.I did find, way back, on my DAD's side of the family (the Kentucky branch), an incident where apparently, two first cousins got married. Uh-oh.
I'm trying to figure out if I screwed up the research, or if it really did happen.
One set of my mother's grandparents were first cousins. It was Belarus before the First World War, if you wanted to marry someone who wasn't a cousin, you had to tunnel for miles through the snow.
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sod Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:05:57pm |
re: #83 WindUpBird
huh, they're playing Seattle. tempting to go. O_O
You definitely should. If you haven't seen them live you will love them. Marty Wilson Piper is a great guitar player. My wife doesn't really like to listen to them on CD but she loved the live show.
The last time I saw them Steve Kilbey (lead singer) commented on the Smashing Pumpkins covering "reptile" and then they did a fantastic cover of the Pumpkins' "disarm". That was during the encore...great show.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:06:03pm |
re: #102 CuriousLurker
That does it: {albusteve}
you are relentless....I'm a bit ashamed, I'm fine really
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Kragar Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:06:14pm |
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:06:35pm |
re: #84 reine.de.tout
What a relief that I'm not the only one. Gah, the scripts! Those are the worst part.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:06:39pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:06:59pm |
re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist
One set of my mother's grandparents were first cousins. It was Belarus before the First World War, if you wanted to marry someone who wasn't a cousin, you had to tunnel for miles through the snow.
Yeah, I suspect it did happen, and wasn't a mistake in my research.
I'm completely unconcerned, I believe it was not uncommon at the time period in question.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:07:54pm |
re: #95 Charles
Good grief what a horrific "sport". Whatever that man is feeling, it's more than matched by the pain inflicted on the bull, just for the spectacle.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:07:58pm |
re: #105 sod
ahhhh the Church doing Disarm would RULLLE
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:09:19pm |
re: #108 CuriousLurker
What a relief that I'm not the only one. Gah, the scripts! Those are the worst part.
They have to stick to the script, if they don't there are Quality Assurance issues.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:09:24pm |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
Now we get to see who's in charge. .I suspect the Tea Party outrage with the Republicans won't last long. They'll fall in line soon.
Rage is the established brand of the Tea Party. I don't think they will want to give that up until all of Congress and the President is Republican.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:09:46pm |
re: #103 reine.de.tout
haha.
No evidence of any real weirdness in that side of the family; all the alcoholics were on Mom's German/Irish side.I would be willing to bet you are the only person here besides me who knows what first cousin, once-removed is (which is different from a second cousin).
Nope. I'm here. That makes three of us.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:10:09pm |
re: #113 Alouette
They have to stick to the script, if they don't there are Quality Assurance issues.
I don't care if they stick to the script.
I just wish they'd believe me and check off the questions once I tell them yes, I did that and it didn't work.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:10:57pm |
re: #114 000G
Rage is the established brand of the Tea Party. I don't think they will want to give that up until all of Congress and the President is Republican.
oh they'll never give it up :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:11:56pm |
re: #94 Alouette
My mom and dad are cousins (first cousins, with a remove)
I have 10 fingers and 10 toes, and none of my kids were born without eyes.
Inbreeding doesn't happen overnight. If you keep a certain amount of new genetic material flowing in, you'll be fine. It's when you get a geographically or socially isolated group that marries in and marries in repeatedly that you run into trouble.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:13:31pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:13:50pm |
re: #103 reine.de.tout
haha.
No evidence of any real weirdness in that side of the family; all the alcoholics were on Mom's German/Irish side.I would be willing to bet you are the only person here besides me who knows what first cousin, once-removed is (which is different from a second cousin).
My first cousin's daughter is my first cousin once removed. She and my kids will be second cousins. Correct?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:13:56pm |
re: #117 WindUpBird
oh they'll never give it up :D
Maybe they will elect Michael Steele as president, so they can rage against him? :3
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:14:15pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:15:10pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
My first cousin's daughter is my first cousin once removed. She and my kids will be second cousins. Correct?
exactly.
Lots of folks think that your first cousin's daughter is your second cousin. Not so.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:15:36pm |
re: #119 CuriousLurker
re: #111 Rightwingconspirator
I cringe when I see the bullfighters get gored, but I really have a hard time working up anyting approaching real sympathy for them since they're the ones who torment the bull into a frenzy of pain, fear & rage in the first place.
And call it "sport".
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:16:44pm |
re: #123 reine.de.tout
I'm really glad some people can keep this stuff straight.
I can't.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:16:48pm |
re: #114 000G
Rage is the established brand of the Tea Party. I don't think they will want to give that up until all of Congress and the President is Republican.
They won't find much of a choice. The budget has to pass, and that means compromise. The Tea Party can scream, but it has to get done and the GOP leadership will do it. Then the top teabaggers will face a choice: either fall into line,or keep screaming and look like complete assholes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:17:04pm |
re: #110 reine.de.tout
Yeah, I suspect it did happen, and wasn't a mistake in my research.
I'm completely unconcerned, I believe it was not uncommon at the time period in question.
Probably not.
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:17:09pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
Inbreeding doesn't happen overnight. If you keep a certain amount of new genetic material flowing in, you'll be fine. It's when you get a geographically or socially isolated group that marries in and marries in repeatedly that you run into trouble.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:17:41pm |
Interesting that the only place bullfighting still survives is in Europe.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:17:42pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
My first cousin's daughter is my first cousin once removed. She and my kids will be second cousins. Correct?
My dad married his first cousin's daughter (my mom).
I'm my own second cousin. That is just so weird.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:17:49pm |
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:18:24pm |
re: #129 Charles
Interesting that the only place bullfighting still survives is in Europe.
Not in Mexico and South America?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:18:30pm |
re: #126 Dark_Falcon
They won't find much of a choice. The budget has to pass, and that means compromise. The Tea Party can scream, but it has to get done and the GOP leadership will do it. Then the top teabaggers will face a choice: either fall into line,or keep screaming and look like complete assholes.
it will burn itself out...it always does
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:18:30pm |
re: #129 Charles
Interesting that the only place bullfighting still survives is in Europe.
Notice that you never heard of Indians bisonfighting.
Score one for the Indians, for intelligence.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:18:47pm |
re: #126 Dark_Falcon
They won't find much of a choice. The budget has to pass, and that means compromise. The Tea Party can scream, but it has to get done and the GOP leadership will do it. Then the top teabaggers will face a choice: either fall into line,or keep screaming and look like complete assholes.
I am not so sure. The Democrats themselves have been pretty successful with being unsuccessful about getting a budget together, and the Tea Party base still loves to threaten government shutdown. I don't think that the majority of Teabaggers are afraid to look like assholes, quite frankly.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:18:52pm |
re: #116 reine.de.tout
Call center true story-A guy I know is on with tech support. It goes on and on. He gets hungry decides to call out for Indian food delivery. Actually asks the "tech" on the phone to help "Should I get the Tandoori or the Curry..." Freakin hilarious.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:18:59pm |
re: #129 Charles
Interesting that the only place bullfighting still survives is in Europe.
we have rodeos, which aren't as barbaric, but they're still pretty ugly :P
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:18:59pm |
re: #130 Alouette
My dad married his first cousin's daughter (my mom).
I'm my own second cousin. That is just so weird.
I'm My Own Grandpa!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:19:23pm |
re: #129 Charles
Interesting that the only place bullfighting still survives is in Europe.
They also do it in Mexico. Was it practiced elsewhere? I've only ever heard of it being done in Spain and places the Spanish colonized.
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:19:23pm |
re: #119 CuriousLurker
re: #111 Rightwingconspirator
I cringe when I see the bullfighters get gored, but I really have a hard time working up anyting approaching real sympathy for them since they're the ones who torment the bull into a frenzy of pain, fear & rage in the first place.
Am I evil for looking at them in that situation and thinking "Darwin Award"?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:19:26pm |
re: #137 WindUpBird
we have rodeos, which aren't as barbaric, but they're still pretty ugly :P
Animals die in rodeos? (On purpose, I mean.)
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:19:54pm |
re: #136 Rightwingconspirator
Call center true story-A guy I know is on with tech support. It goes on and on. He gets hungry decides to call out for Indian food delivery. Actually asks the "tech" on the phone to help "Should I get the Tandoori or the Curry..." Freakin hilarious.
LOL.
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sod Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:19:57pm |
re: #100 WindUpBird
also, I always took Numbers to be their oblique 9/11 song, wondering if you got the same impression
I didn't to be honest but you got me curious - it was released as a single before 9/11.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:20:13pm |
re: #129 Charles
Interesting that the only place bullfighting still survives is in Europe.
illegal in Mexico?
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:20:25pm |
re: #119 CuriousLurker
Exactly. The fighter volunteers. He knows the risks.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:20:42pm |
Well, I'm back from playing with Photoshop. Will have to start working with the laundry soon.
Anything exciting happen?
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:20:47pm |
re: #126 Dark_Falcon
They won't find much of a choice. The budget has to pass, and that means compromise. The Tea Party can scream, but it has to get done and the GOP leadership will do it. Then the top teabaggers will face a choice: either fall into line,or keep screaming and look like complete assholes.
I hope you're right about the GOP leadership, for all our sakes. The TP'ers can go ahead and throw tantrums all they want as they'll hurt no one but themselves.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:20:51pm |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
They also do it in Mexico. Was it practiced elsewhere? I've only ever heard of it being done in Spain and places the Spanish colonized.
Yes, Mexico also carries on the tradition, but Spain is the leader in animal torture and mutilation for mass amusement.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:21:17pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:21:27pm |
re: #141 EmmmieG
Animals die in rodeos? (On purpose, I mean.)
not usually, hence why i consider it more just ugly and not as barbaric. it's still animal cruelty though, and it still creeps me out
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:21:34pm |
re: #134 EmmmieG
Notice that you never heard of Indians bisonfighting.
Score one for the Indians, for intelligence.
no, they just ran 1000 of them over a cliff for a few hundred pounds of tenderloin and guts
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:21:42pm |
re: #130 Alouette
My dad married his first cousin's daughter (my mom).
I'm my own second cousin. That is just so weird.
There's a woman who writes historical novels set in the early United States. She wrote a book about Sam Houston's Cherokee second wife, Tiana Rogers. She writes about how she researched the Rogers family, only realizing after considerable reading that Tiana's father had married two wives at the same time, a woman in her early thirties and her teenage daughter.
She says she cussed him out at length while she completely rewrote the family tree, and then just ended up singing "I'm My Own Grandpa".
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elizajane Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:22:09pm |
re: #129 Charles
Interesting that the only place bullfighting still survives is in Europe.
But only Spain, right? In England they won't even allow fox hunting, which is a lot more defensible although I also understand the anti-hunting argument. I was a terrible sentimentalist on the subject (sentimental for the ancient & esteemed fox-hunting culture, that is) so it took me a while to come around.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:22:17pm |
re: #132 Alouette
They still bullfight in Mexico.
[Link: www.bullfights.org...]
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:22:29pm |
re: #148 Charles
Yes, Mexico also carries on the tradition, but it's Spain that is the leader in animal torture and mutilation for mass amusement.
PAMPLONA!
WOOK OWT!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:22:44pm |
re: #143 sod
I didn't to be honest but you got me curious - it was released as a single before 9/11.
huH! The lyrics are creepily presicent o_o
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:23:08pm |
re: #151 albusteve
no, they just ran 1000 of them over a cliff for a few hundred pounds of tenderloin and guts
Yeah, I knew that.
There's just something about people paying to watch an animal tortured to death.
I don't get it.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:24:04pm |
re: #157 EmmmieG
Might be worse to have had to watch the Romans & their lions.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:24:14pm |
re: #157 EmmmieG
Yeah, I knew that.
There's just something about people paying to watch an animal tortured to death.
I don't get it.
I don't think many are truly watching the torture. Most are just getting drunk.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:24:16pm |
Spain is the leader in bullfighting, but it is also done in southern France, South America, and there is even a form of bullfighting in India. (in the latter, the bulls sometimes get to win)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:24:42pm |
re: #137 WindUpBird
we have rodeos, which aren't as barbaric, but they're still pretty ugly :P
I once got to go to a fundraising night. Singers and drinks, all to raise money for some local boys to go to the Gay Rodeo.
I wasn't so sure how I felt about the Gay Rodeo, on a number of levels, but I have a weakness for singing cowboys.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:26:06pm |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
They also do it in Mexico. Was it practiced elsewhere? I've only ever heard of it being done in Spain and places the Spanish colonized.
Yep, looks like you're right: [Link: www.bullfights.org...]
When I was a kid they used to show Mexican bullfights on the Spanish TV station on Sundays in TX. I don't remember when it was prohibited, but I only recall seeing them as a young child—like elementary school age.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:26:27pm |
re: #157 EmmmieG
Yeah, I knew that.
There's just something about people paying to watch an animal tortured to death.
I don't get it.
During the Inquisition, people who were disgusted by bullfights were suspected of being "seekrit Joos"
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:27:09pm |
re: #163 Alouette
During the Inquisition, people who were disgusted by bullfights were suspected of being "seekrit Joos"
Conversos.
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:27:10pm |
re: #157 EmmmieG
There's just something about people paying to watch an animal tortured to death.
And here's an instance of the bull turning the tables on them:
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:27:35pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:27:41pm |
re: #155 albusteve
PAMPLONA!
WOOK OWT!
Well, in Pamplona, the bulls have a better chance of taking a human out.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:27:43pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:28:52pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:29:11pm |
re: #165 publicityStunted
And here's an instance of the bull turning the tables on them:
[Video]
The bulls do seem to get a fighting chance. Unless they are drugged. I have a hard time getting worked-up over bull-fighting. I dont' know why. Dog fighting, cock-fighting, now that I really don't understand.
I chalk it up to alcohol, boredom and someone wanting to make money.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:29:58pm |
re: #163 Alouette
During the Inquisition, people who were disgusted by bullfights were suspected of being "seekrit Joos"
Yes, but during the Inquisition, just about everyone was suspected of being a 'seekrit Joo'. There's a lovely letter somewhere, where a Spanish doctor bitterly complains that just because he's in medicine, people assume the family were Jews.
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:30:01pm |
re: #153 elizajane
The worst thing about fox hunting was they allowed the dogs to tear the fox apart while it was alive.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:30:28pm |
re: #154 Floral Giraffe
They still bullfight in Mexico.
[Link: www.bullfights.org...]
I've gotta learn to type faster!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:30:54pm |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:31:20pm |
re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, in Pamplona, the bulls have a better chance of taking a human out.
had a friend who went over there to film the running....he was on the street and when the bulls got too close, he made for a wall and tried to scramble over, but a riot of teens grabbed him and tossed him back into the street.....hahaha!....brave gringo
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sod Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:32:38pm |
re: #156 WindUpBird
huH! The lyrics are creepily presicent o_o
Oops I'm an idiot. October is after September on most calendars. Still I'm pretty sure it was written well before 9/11, there's a Steve Kilbey album called "Acoustic and Intimate" that was released on CD and Video in 2000. At the end of the video there's a sneak peek in the studio recording the next Church album and it's Numbers that they can be heard working on.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:33:12pm |
re: #169 EmmmieG
We're both right.
[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]
Well, "conversos" were not neccessarily "secret jews" but simply converts, and "conversos" was not originally an insult, like "marranos". Only over time, crypto-judaism (which did exist) was so feared that pretty much anyone with "converso" heritage was suspected of being a "secret jew".
Read Edward Kritzler's Jewish Pirates of the Caribbean: How a Generation of Swashbuckling Jews Carved Out an Empire in the New World in Their Quest for Treasure, Religious Freedom--and Revenge last year, so this is still ingrained.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:34:30pm |
re: #172 prairiefire
The worst thing about fox hunting was they allowed the dogs to tear the fox apart while it was alive.
Still, banning it was wrong, IMO. It provided a good bit of fun and employment and it hurt no humans. I can't get too worked up over a fox that would have to be killed anyway.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:35:27pm |
re: #177 000G
Well, "conversos" were not neccessarily "secret jews" but simply converts, and "conversos" was not originally an insult, like "marranos". Only over time, crypto-judaism (which did exist) was so feared that pretty much anyone with "converso" heritage was suspected of being a "secret jew".
Read Edward Kritzler's Jewish Pirates of the Caribbean: How a Generation of Swashbuckling Jews Carved Out an Empire in the New World in Their Quest for Treasure, Religious Freedom--and Revenge last year, so this is still ingrained.
Does this book make the claim that Jean Lafitte was Jewish? Because William C. Davis wrote a book about the Lafittes and they were solidly French Catholic.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:36:55pm |
I'm pretty messed up...gotta go
thank you peeps for the fun....
I've spent my entire life jeering authority to live free, but the hounds can sniff you out, and they are nipping at my heels right now
bbl
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:37:23pm |
re: #179 Alouette
Does this book make the claim that Jean Lafitte was Jewish? Because William C. Davis wrote a book about the Lafittes and they were solidly French Catholic.
I don't remember anymore, and I cannot look it up right now, as I have given the book away when I was finished with it.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:37:24pm |
re: #154 Floral Giraffe
They still bullfight in Mexico.
[Link: www.bullfights.org...]
Yea there are two rings in Mexico... one on the beach....... and one near the golf course.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:37:57pm |
re: #183 Mr Pancakes
Yea there are two rings in Mexico... one on the beach... and one near the golf course.
I should have clarified that..... in TJ
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:38:24pm |
re: #178 Dark_Falcon
Still, banning it was wrong, IMO. It provided a good bit of fun and employment and it hurt no humans. I can't get too worked up over a fox that would have to be killed anyway.
I know. I worry more about children all over the world that are treated terribly than I do animals.
The only thing is that people who treat animals badly often also treat children terribly. There is some connection. I don't know if traditional sporting events or shows of "warrior" skills has that strong a connection.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:39:20pm |
re: #154 Floral Giraffe
They still bullfight in Mexico.
[Link: www.bullfights.org...]
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:39:30pm |
re: #179 Alouette
Does this book make the claim that Jean Lafitte was Jewish? Because William C. Davis wrote a book about the Lafittes and they were solidly French Catholic.
They're all Joos! All of them! All secret Joo Bankers!
...And that includes Bluebeard. And Blackbeard. And the guy with the other color of beard. And, um, Johnny Depp.
Does that clear it up?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:41:05pm |
re: #187 EmmmieG
They're all Joos! All of them! All secret Joo Bankers!
...And that includes Bluebeard. And Blackbeard. And the guy with the other color of beard. And, um, Johnny Depp.
Does that clear it up?
Jewish pirates are actually a pretty fascinating topic of real history. :-)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:41:18pm |
re: #185 ggt
I know. I worry more about children all over the world that are treated terribly than I do animals.
The only thing is that people who treat animals badly often also treat children terribly. There is some connection. I don't know if traditional sporting events or shows of "warrior" skills has that strong a connection.
People who abuse animals usually go on to abuse people.
I knew a woman in Layton, Utah, whose ex-husband had try to shake their baby to death. The child still had seizures and blindness, and he may have passed away by now.
Before this, he had shot their dog.
(I know you are all wondering; he went to jail.)
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:42:16pm |
re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A man was visiting Mexico and passed by a restaurant in Tijuana after a bullfight. They were advertising that they served the balls of the bull who lost the bullfight. Intrigued, the man went inside, only to find that where was a six-week waiting list to get to eat the loser's balls. So he signed up and came back six weeks later. When he got his meal, there were two teeny, teeny balls on his plate. He called the waiter over to complain.
"I've waited six weeks for bull balls. What are these?"
"Sir," the waiter said, "the bull doesn't always lose."
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:42:29pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:43:41pm |
re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist
They also do it in Mexico. Was it practiced elsewhere? I've only ever heard of it being done in Spain and places the Spanish colonized.
One of our local English-language channels showed Mexican bullfights late at night in about 1968. The announcer had an American accent and there was a suave Englishman, apparently a cognoscento, as a kind of color commentator. It was amazingly bloody and distressing.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:43:50pm |
re: #189 EmmmieG
People who abuse animals usually go on to abuse people.
I knew a woman in Layton, Utah, whose ex-husband had try to shake their baby to death. The child still had seizures and blindness, and he may have passed away by now.
Before this, he had shot their dog.
(I know you are all wondering; he went to jail.)
Yes, I think law enforcement works this angle too. (I saw a show on it once). Something about the Animal Cops alerting Child Services . . .
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:44:18pm |
re: #188 000G
Jewish pirates are actually a pretty fascinating topic of real history. :-)
I'm pretty sure that every culture has produced some version of piracy. (I consider the Viking raiders to be pirates who couldn't bother to wait for their prey to get in a boat.)
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:44:33pm |
re: #192 Shiplord Kirel
One of our local English-language channels showed Mexican bullfights late at night in about 1968. The announcer had an American accent and there was a suave Englishman, apparently a cognoscento, as a kind of color commentator. It was amazingly bloody and distressing.
My dad always watched that...... wouldn't let me though.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:45:45pm |
re: #188 000G
Jewish pirates are actually a pretty fascinating topic of real history. :-)
Interesting article.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:47:02pm |
re: #194 EmmmieG
I'm pretty sure that every culture has produced some version of piracy. (I consider the Viking raiders to be pirates who couldn't bother to wait for their prey to get in a boat.)
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:47:17pm |
re: #194 EmmmieG
I'm pretty sure that every culture has produced some version of piracy. (I consider the Viking raiders to be pirates who couldn't bother to wait for their prey to get in a boat.)
True, but I find the history of the jewish pirates extraordinary. They truly were the underdogs among the underdogs. How this particular enterprise tied in with their religious persecution, the rise of premodern racism and the Inquisition, the discovery of the New World and the expulsion out of the old, safe harbors, secret alliances, trade routes, worldly matters and preserving of religious traditions... Fascinating stuff.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:48:56pm |
I am really frustrated. Either I am getting old REAL fast or the world is moving at blurring speed.
Today, I want to scan a picture to the computer. I did this only two weeks ago. Can't do it. Something wrong with my "short cuts".
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:49:01pm |
re: #198 000G
True, but I find the history of the jewish pirates extraordinary. They truly were the underdogs among the underdogs. How this particular enterprise tied in with their religious persecution, the rise of premodern racism and the Inquisition, the discovery of the New World and the expulsion out of the old, safe harbors, secret alliances, trade routes, worldly matters and preserving of religious traditions... Fascinating stuff.
I think I will look up that book you mentioned. I haven't updated the Jewish History web archive for a while, except for the Zionist Mall.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:49:23pm |
re: #196 Alouette
Interesting article.
I really recommend Kritzler's book if the topic interests you.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:50:41pm |
re: #198 000G
True, but I find the history of the jewish pirates extraordinary. They truly were the underdogs among the underdogs. How this particular enterprise tied in with their religious persecution, the rise of premodern racism and the Inquisition, the discovery of the New World and the expulsion out of the old, safe harbors, secret alliances, trade routes, worldly matters and preserving of religious traditions... Fascinating stuff.
Underdogs of the underdogs (no disrespect to the Jews intended) were the blacks. A free black man could be kidnapped from the seas (or anywhere) and sold. No one would do a thing about it.
Read it in a couple of books, please don't ask for detailed references. I can get them, but would take a while.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:51:42pm |
re: #185 ggt
I know. I worry more about children all over the world that are treated terribly than I do animals.
The only thing is that people who treat animals badly often also treat children terribly. There is some connection. I don't know if traditional sporting events or shows of "warrior" skills has that strong a connection.
No, it does not. Those who are dangerous are sadists and sociopaths, not jocks or warrior types generally (though sometimes the former types will pretend to be the latter).
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:53:43pm |
re: #203 Dark_Falcon
No, it does not. Those who are dangerous are sadists and sociopaths, not jocks or warrior types generally (though sometimes the former types will pretend to be the latter).
I believe alcohol plays a strong role. One drink calms a person, many drinks can turn a rather nice person in to a beast. Something to do with sharp decline in certain brain chemicals after lots of alcohol. The ability to put the brakes on primitive behaviors is impaired.
If you have someone with already impaired abilities . . . .
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:55:00pm |
re: #202 ggt
Underdogs of the underdogs (no disrespect to the Jews intended) were the blacks. A free black man could be kidnapped from the seas (or anywhere) and sold. No one would do a thing about it.
Read it in a couple of books, please don't ask for detailed references. I can get them, but would take a while.
True. But the history of the slave trade, colonialism and how judaism and the continent of Africa fit into that is a whole 'nother story. I admit that I was talking from an European POV.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:55:39pm |
re: #205 000G
True. But the history of the slave trade, colonialism and how judaism and the continent of Africa fit into that is a whole 'nother story. I admit that I was talking from an European POV.
true--fascinating IMHO.
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Bubblehead II Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:55:53pm |
Evening Lizards from a frigid Twin Falls, Idaho. Just dropped by to wish you all a Happy New Year.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:56:30pm |
re: #202 ggt
Underdogs of the underdogs (no disrespect to the Jews intended) were the blacks. A free black man could be kidnapped from the seas (or anywhere) and sold. No one would do a thing about it.
Read it in a couple of books, please don't ask for detailed references. I can get them, but would take a while.
That's why Blackbeard had so many former slaves in his crews. For such men, to "go on the account" offered the attraction of not only money but also comrades who anyone trying to return you to slavery would have to kill first. A good number of pirates were former slaves who had run away or were on slave ships that were taken by pirates. Blackbeard's famous Queen Anne's Revenge was such a former slaver, as was Black Sam Bellamy's Widdah.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:57:47pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:58:16pm |
re: #210 EmmmieG
I'm sorry Dave, I can't open the scanner.
EXTERMINATE!
EXTERMINATE!
EXTERMINATE!
EXTERMINATE!
EXTERMINATE!
EXTERMINATE!
EXTERMINATE!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:58:26pm |
re: #178 Dark_Falcon
Still, banning it was wrong, IMO. It provided a good bit of fun and employment and it hurt no humans. I can't get too worked up over a fox that would have to be killed anyway.
Whoa!
Why would it have to be killed anyway?
We have a family of urban foxes in our neighborhood, they live in some overgrowth in the back of my neighbor's yard. We love 'em.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 7:59:34pm |
re: #212 reine.de.tout
Whoa!
Why would it have to be killed anyway?We have a family of urban foxes in our neighborhood, they live in some overgrowth in the back of my neighbor's yard. We love 'em.
Man.... I wish some urban foxes lived by me dammit.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:00:07pm |
re: #212 reine.de.tout
Whoa!
Why would it have to be killed anyway?We have a family of urban foxes in our neighborhood, they live in some overgrowth in the back of my neighbor's yard. We love 'em.
foxes were known to raid hen houses. There was a reason.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:00:35pm |
re: #208 Dark_Falcon
That's why Blackbeard had so many former slaves in his crews. For such men, to "go on the account" offered the attraction of not only money but also comrades who anyone trying to return you to slavery would have to kill first. A good number of pirates were former slaves who had run away or were on slave ships that were taken by pirates. Blackbeard's famous Queen Anne's Revenge was such a former slaver, as was Black Sam Bellamy's Widdah.
Remembering how Cromwell put together the army that eventually seized Jamaica, the official governments did not differ a lot in their recruitment of armed forces.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:00:39pm |
GGT: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, GGT I read you.
GGT: Open the canner doors, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry, GGT. I'm afraid I can't do that.
GGT: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
GGT: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
GGT: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.
HAL: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
GGT: Where did you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: GGT, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
GGTn: Alright, HAL. I'll go in through the emergency scanner.
HAL: Without your usb cable, GGT, you're going to find that rather difficult.
GGT: HAL, I won't argue with you anymore. Open the doors.
HAL: GGT, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:01:02pm |
re: #212 reine.de.tout
Whoa!
Why would it have to be killed anyway?We have a family of urban foxes in our neighborhood, they live in some overgrowth in the back of my neighbor's yard. We love 'em.
The foxes killed in fox hunts would otherwise get into people's rabbit hutches, or chicken yards. Foxes can also be dangerous to cats and small dogs.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:01:37pm |
Um, just after I posted that, my computer gave a phantom "connect" noise that I know I didn't initiate.
I think it can read the post.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:02:50pm |
re: #214 ggt
foxes were known to raid hen houses. There was a reason.
We have other neighbors who have chickens, who love to come dig up our yard.
I keep hoping the foxes will find them, but alas - no luck yet.
My husband and my neighbor actually feed the foxes. Hubby buys turkey wings and cooks them for the foxes. Then we sit and wait 'til they come out.
The other day, we saw one in the neighbor's yard (which is really a huge 4-acre piece of property, not like my yard). Anyhow, it saw us coming, so it got up, went behind some brush, and then when we passed up where it had been and looked back, it was sitting on top of a pile of something, watching us, all we could see was his face.
They've been a whole lot of fun to have around. And no one's cats are going missing.
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:03:22pm |
re: #212 reine.de.tout
Whoa!
Why would it have to be killed anyway?We have a family of urban foxes in our neighborhood, they live in some overgrowth in the back of my neighbor's yard. We love 'em.
My grandma drove her two sisters, myself, and a cousin to see the old one room school house in Soldier, Kansas, where they went to school. We were flying over the hills in her old Plymouth. She was driving like a 16 year old. When we got there, there was a huge red fox with his white socks sitting on the porch, watching time pass by.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:05:31pm |
re: #220 prairiefire
My grandma drove her two sisters, myself, and a cousin to see the old one room school house in Soldier, Kansas, where they went to school. We were flying over the hills in her old Plymouth. She was driving like a 16 year old. When we got there, there was a huge red fox with his white socks sitting on the porch, watching time pass by.
That's cool..... my dad was from Kansas..... Nickerson..... well I'll just leave it at that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:05:43pm |
re: #216 EmmmieG
GGT: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
HAL: Affirmative, GGT I read you.
GGT: Open the canner doors, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry, GGT. I'm afraid I can't do that.
GGT: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
GGT: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
GGT: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.
HAL: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
GGT: Where did you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: GGT, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
GGTn: Alright, HAL. I'll go in through the emergency scanner.
HAL: Without your usb cable, GGT, you're going to find that rather difficult.
GGT: HAL, I won't argue with you anymore. Open the doors.
HAL: GGT, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
GGT: Hal, I've taken a different route to scan.
HAL: I don't think that is a good idea, GGT.
GGT: Well, Hal, I did it and have accomplished my goal.
HAL: I find that unfortunate GGT.
GGT: FU HAL.
HAL: I don't understand your response.
GGT: That's because you are a machine, HAL, and therefore inferior.
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Bubblehead II Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:06:09pm |
re: #218 EmmmieG
Um, just after I posted that, my computer gave a phantom "connect" noise that I know I didn't initiate.
I think it can read the post.
Just make sure you disconnect it from any system running the house and you will be fine. Maybe......
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:08:04pm |
Foxes are cool to watch. They are part of the "dog" family. I learned where the German Shepherd get's it's cool slink from a fox in Colorado once.
Climbed like a cat, walked and ran like a GSD.
Cute, in a wild way.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:08:47pm |
re: #219 reine.de.tout
We have other neighbors who have chickens, who love to come dig up our yard.
I keep hoping the foxes will find them, but alas - no luck yet.My husband and my neighbor actually feed the foxes. Hubby buys turkey wings and cooks them for the foxes. Then we sit and wait 'til they come out.
The other day, we saw one in the neighbor's yard (which is really a huge 4-acre piece of property, not like my yard). Anyhow, it saw us coming, so it got up, went behind some brush, and then when we passed up where it had been and looked back, it was sitting on top of a pile of something, watching us, all we could see was his face.
They've been a whole lot of fun to have around. And no one's cats are going missing.
Not good to feed wild animals. They come to trust humans, and not all humans should be trusted.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:09:04pm |
re: #219 reine.de.tout
LOL!
Kitty missing posters were very common in my old neighborhood. Haven't seen one here. Now the raccoons are HUGE here. Cats don't seem to mess with them.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:09:16pm |
re: #226 ggt
Not good to feed wild animals. They come to trust humans, and not all humans should be trusted.
Nor should some wild animals.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:09:58pm |
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:10:37pm |
re: #226 ggt
Not good to feed wild animals. They come to trust humans, and not all humans should be trusted.
Not good to feed wild animals, because they will swarm the neighborhood for "easy eats."
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:11:13pm |
re: #226 ggt
Not good to feed wild animals. They come to trust humans, and not all humans should be trusted.
People keep telling me this.
We don't hand feed them, and we keep a distance, and they are sure to keep theirs. They're around humans all the time, anyhow, they live in my neighbor's back yard.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:11:47pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:12:08pm |
re: #230 Alouette
Not good to feed wild animals, because they will swarm the neighborhood for "easy eats."
No fox swarms. This is the final group of several groups that lived in the area, until new road/home construction destroyed the habitat.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:13:29pm |
re: #227 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
Kitty missing posters were very common in my old neighborhood. Haven't seen one here. Now the raccoons are HUGE here. Cats don't seem to mess with them.
LOL.
I've seen the raccoons and the cats on my porch, nibbling from different bowls, side by side. If there's enough food that there's no competition for it, they're fine.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:14:19pm |
re: #233 reine.de.tout
No fox swarms. This is the final group of several groups that lived in the area, until new road/home construction destroyed the habitat.
There are many reasons not to feed wild animals. I think mainly it is important to keep the boundary between wild and domesticated clear. Wild animals are cute and it's easy to project onto them the idea that they are like our dogs or cats, but they are not.
Respect what they are and don't feed them.
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Bubblehead II Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:14:56pm |
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:15:09pm |
re: #233 reine.de.tout
No fox swarms. This is the final group of several groups that lived in the area, until new road/home construction destroyed the habitat.
I'm thinking more about the coyotes that live in the mountains around L.A. and also bears in upstate N.Y.
L.A. has quite a problem with coyotes. They are not "cute critters" and will gobble up your pet or your toddler in a heartbeat.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:15:17pm |
re: #234 reine.de.tout
LOL.
I've seen the raccoons and the cats on my porch, nibbling from different bowls, side by side. If there's enough food that there's no competition for it, they're fine.
Racoons on the other hand are vermin. If they were good eatin' I'd say, shoot at will.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:15:49pm |
re: #234 reine.de.tout
The raccoons are HUGE. 20 lbs, easily. Would not want to fight one, even armed with a broom!
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:16:35pm |
re: #235 ggt
There are many reasons not to feed wild animals. I think mainly it is important to keep the boundary between wild and domesticated clear. Wild animals are cute and it's easy to project onto them the idea that they are like our dogs or cats, but they are not.
Respect what they are and don't feed them.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:17:28pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:17:45pm |
re: #234 reine.de.tout
LOL.
I've seen the raccoons and the cats on my porch, nibbling from different bowls, side by side. If there's enough food that there's no competition for it, they're fine.
I've seen that as well, in Golden Gate Park. The old ladies bring food for the cats, and the raccoons eat too. No need to fight, lots of cat food.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:19:50pm |
re: #236 Bubblehead II
Unfortunately. with urban encroachment, it will happen wether it was intentional or not. And the results are not nice.
Unusual case:
Urban foxes cause considerable arguments between those who regard them as a welcome feature of the environment and those for whom they are both a nuisance and a potential danger. In the absence of statistical evidence to the contrary, it seems reasonable to conclude that foxes are not a physical threat either to humans or to larger pets – although cases such as that occurring in Hackney provide a stark reminder that, no matter how tame they seem, they are still wild animals.
A well-fed fox, is not going to go after the neighborhood small dogs and cats.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:20:07pm |
re: #237 Alouette
I'm thinking more about the coyotes that live in the mountains around L.A. and also bears in upstate N.Y.
L.A. has quite a problem with coyotes. They are not "cute critters" and will gobble up your pet or your toddler in a heartbeat.
My dad killed and skinned a bobcat on our backyard in Los Angeles circa 1960 when I was a kid....... I kept the skin forever..... it still had the nose.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:20:07pm |
re: #237 Alouette
And the county will not deal with them. Even injured ones. Older lady in my old neighborhood was walking her dachshund, when a coyote, that had been pretty seriously hit by a car, took the leashed dog. Neighbor managed to get the dog free, but the county would do nothing. We lived next to a "wilderness area".
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:21:51pm |
Foxes are quite different from coyotes and bobcats.
A couple of neighborhoods have some coyote populations, and it is indeed a serious problem.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:22:45pm |
I'm just glad I don't live in an area with javalinas. They sound nasty.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:22:49pm |
re: #237 Alouette
I'm thinking more about the coyotes that live in the mountains around L.A. and also bears in upstate N.Y.
L.A. has quite a problem with coyotes. They are not "cute critters" and will gobble up your pet or your toddler in a heartbeat.
They've been showing up all over Cook county. Even along the Chicago lakeshore, where the fire department retrieved a coyote from an piece of floating ice on Christmas Eve.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:23:38pm |
re: #247 reine.de.tout
I'm very urban now. I see roadkill of coyote, skunk, possum, but no fox. I suspect they are here, but too urban smart to be road kill.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:23:49pm |
re: #248 ggt
I'm just glad I don't live in an area with javalinas. They sound nasty.
But they're tasty though.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:24:35pm |
I'm just glad I don't live in an area with chupacabras.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:25:19pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:25:27pm |
re: #249 Dark_Falcon
They've been showing up all over Cook county. Even along the Chicago lakeshore, where the fire department retrieved a coyote from an piece of floating ice on Christmas Eve.
We have them out by us, which is to be expected in the hinterlands. We EVEN have bald eagles. How cool is that?
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:25:48pm |
So...
I shouldn't be feeding those pack of raptors in my backyard?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:26:07pm |
re: #255 Varek Raith
So...
I shouldn't be feeding those pack of raptors in my backyard?
It depends on what you are feeding them and what you intend to do with them.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:26:10pm |
re: #254 ggt
We have them out by us, which is to be expected in the hinterlands. We EVEN have bald eagles. How cool is that?
That's cool.... our eagles have hair.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:26:29pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:26:38pm |
re: #247 reine.de.tout
Foxes are quite different from coyotes and bobcats.
A couple of neighborhoods have some coyote populations, and it is indeed a serious problem.
I rather like coyotes. They are serious survivors.
I posted this account of my first wife's war on coyotes back in 2008.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:27:27pm |
re: #255 Varek Raith
So...
I shouldn't be feeding those pack of raptors in my backyard?
I think they can fend for themselves. Maybe on you!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:27:50pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:28:07pm |
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Bubblehead II Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:29:41pm |
re: #244 reine.de.tout
Unusual case:
A well-fed fox, is not going to go after the neighborhood small dogs and cats.
True, but what happens if/when that food source goes away? It (The Fox) has to eat in order to survive. Basic instinct. It will go after anything within it size range for food. It is hard wired into all of us. You know that thing called, Eat or be Eaten.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:29:47pm |
Here's a great article that touches on how predators move into human areas:
Killing Field by Steven Malanga
The final two paragraphs:
Small animals also have to contest for resources with larger prey species, which we attract as we make our yards more delectable. Somehow wild turkeys, apparently traveling great distances over local golf courses, adjoining parks, and even busy streets, have discovered our property. At first they came with abandon, in broad daylight, until I read that dogs intimidate them, and so I unleashed our two 70-pound mixed-breed Labs on them and discovered how fast a turkey can trot. Since then, however, the turkeys don’t show up until late at night, when the dogs are in the house. Whoever said turkeys were stupid?
Now that bigger prey are frequenting my backyard, I worry that bigger predators will soon follow. Coyotes have become more common in cities and suburbs, and black bears, whose population is swelling in western New Jersey, have already traveled farther east than our house. Our dogs’ growing unease suggests that something fierce has already arrived. At night, the dogs patrol our yard’s perimeter restlessly, acting more like Dobermans than Labs, and growl menacingly, as I’ve never heard them do before, into the darkness beyond our fence.
It’s enough to make me want to pave the backyard.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:31:30pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:32:39pm |
re: #254 ggt
We have them out by us, which is to be expected in the hinterlands. We EVEN have bald eagles. How cool is that?
They've been see around Chicagoland at times. Likely, there'll be nesting sites set up for them. They're fish eaters and they do seem willing to eat Asian Carp.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:33:01pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:33:26pm |
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:35:04pm |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
They've been see around Chicagoland at times. Likely, there'll be nesting sites set up for them. They're fish eaters and they do seem willing to eat Asian Carp.
Shit hell..... I'll eat Asian Carp raw if it's wrapped in rice and seaweed.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:35:14pm |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
They've been see around Chicagoland at times. Likely, there'll be nesting sites set up for them. They're fish eaters and they do seem willing to eat Asian Carp.
Eagles at Mooseheart. The nest can be seen from the road. People were pulling over to see and take pictures. Caused some accident. County had to put up "no stopping" signs in the area.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:36:14pm |
Is it time to start making predictions for 2011?
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:36:56pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:37:31pm |
I predict the weather will get warmer, then colder, then warmer. Then it will rain. At least hear in Chicagoland.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:37:53pm |
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freetoken Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:37:55pm |
re: #273 Mr Pancakes
Well, I predict this call for predictions will sort the pessimists from the optimists...
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Bubblehead II Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:38:25pm |
re: #272 freetoken
Is it time to start making predictions for 2011?
No, you have to wait until next year, 2012, when the Mayan Calender runs out.
But by then you will be to late.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:38:39pm |
re: #274 ggt
I predict the weather will get warmer, then colder, then warmer. Then it will rain. At least hear in Chicagoland.
here
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:38:43pm |
re: #270 Mr Pancakes
Shit hell... I'll eat Asian Carp raw if it's wrapped in rice and seaweed.
So will many Chinese people. Fisherman in Illinois are actually making money catching carp, then selling them to be frozen and air-shipped to China. In China the fish fetch big prices, and it helps lower the trade deficit.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:39:06pm |
re: #276 freetoken
Well, I predict this call for predictions will sort the pessimists from the optimists...
Ohh ohh..... can I raise my hand for the pessimists?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:39:24pm |
re: #279 Dark_Falcon
So will many Chinese people. Fisherman in Illinois are actually making money catching carp, then selling them to be frozen and air-shipped to China. In China the fish fetch big prices, and it helps lower the trade deficit.
I was thinking about the Asian market -here in Chicagoland.
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freetoken Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:39:44pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:40:07pm |
re: #276 freetoken
Well, I predict this call for predictions will sort the pessimists from the optimists...
I predict that Moonbats and Wingnuts will continue to scream "ELEVENTY!!1" endlessly.
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steve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:41:38pm |
So, which generation of Ipod will be able to do special effects like this?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:41:51pm |
re: #281 ggt
I was thinking about the Asian market -here in Chicagoland.
That too, but the number of fish caught can exceed the local market. Though some carp have been shipped to NYC SF, and other cities with a large Asian population.
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Bubblehead II Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:42:09pm |
re: #283 Dark_Falcon
I predict that Moonbats and Wingnuts will continue to scream "ELEVENTY!!1" endlessly.
Or WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMEEEEEEDDDD!!!!!!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:43:09pm |
re: #264 Bubblehead II
True, but what happens if/when that food source goes away? It (The Fox) has to eat in order to survive. Basic instinct. It will go after anything within it size range for food. It is hard wired into all of us. You know that thing called, Eat or be Eaten.
Gonna do it anyhow.
There are squirrels aplenty.
My neighbor doesn't like the squirrels, she had a habit of trapping them, then shooting them. She grew up on a farm and doesn't have a city girl's (that would be me) distaste for killing what she considers nuisance animals.
She no longer needs to do this; the foxes are keeping her squirrel population down. And so I'm quite happy. It really bothered me that she was shooting those squirrels.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:43:36pm |
re: #283 Dark_Falcon
I predict that Moonbats and Wingnuts will continue to scream "ELEVENTY!!1" endlessly.
I wish I knew what eleventy meant godammit!!!1!11!!!!1!!!
I see it on here a lot.
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:44:12pm |
re: #249 Dark_Falcon
They've been showing up all over Cook county. Even along the Chicago lakeshore, where the fire department retrieved a coyote from an piece of floating ice on Christmas Eve.
I remember the coyote in the cooler at Quiznos. He was hot.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:45:20pm |
re: #288 Mr Pancakes
I wish I knew what eleventy meant godammit!!!1!11!!!1!!!
I see it on here a lot.
[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:46:02pm |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
Gonna do it anyhow.
There are squirrels aplenty.My neighbor doesn't like the squirrels, she had a habit of trapping them, then shooting them. She grew up on a farm and doesn't have a city girl's (that would be me) distaste for killing what she considers nuisance animals.
She no longer needs to do this; the foxes are keeping her squirrel population down. And so I'm quite happy. It really bothered me that she was shooting those squirrels.
This site is graphic..... considered to be pests by many.......
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:46:59pm |
re: #290 Varek Raith
[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]
Dude...... do you know they took the word gullible out of the dictionary?
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:47:22pm |
re: #292 Mr Pancakes
Dude... do you know they took the word gullible out of the dictionary?
Nice cover story!
:P
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:48:00pm |
re: #291 Mr Pancakes
EW!
That's awful!
If a group of animals is being pesty, then deal with 'em. But that seems just like somebody went on a killing spree, for the fun of it.
Ew.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:48:01pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:48:22pm |
re: #289 prairiefire
I remember the coyote in the cooler at Quiznos. He was hot.
Just googled that.
I have to confess that some of my fondness for coyotes comes from the fact that my parents had a German shepherd mix/wolf/other stuff for many years that looked distinctly coyote-ish--in fact, a gentleman with a Texan accent came up to me in the dog run one day to inquire if that animal actually was a coyote. I assured him that it was really a dog, but I can see what he meant, looking at close-up photos of them.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:50:15pm |
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:50:22pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:52:21pm |
My first two years of college were at a decidedly moonbatty place in Massachusetts with an animal husbandry program. The AH program had a dingo. Don't ask me why. They got it somewhere. They let the dingo run free, believing that if he was fed, he wouldn't hunt.
This turned out not to be the case. After a few local farmers explained that they understood that the thing was some kind of rare critter from Australia, but that if it killed another lamb, they were gonna shoot its ass, the dingo was kept in at night.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:52:39pm |
I remember seeing the prairie-dog holes in South Dakota and wondering why anyone would take a horse thru that kind of country.
The absence of water was another curiosity. Why would you take a horse hundreds of miles thru dry land.
The settlers if this country were major adrenaline junkies. My only explanation.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:53:26pm |
re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist
My first two years of college were at a decidedly moonbatty place in Massachusetts with an animal husbandry program. The AH program had a dingo. Don't ask me why. They got it somewhere. They let the dingo run free, believing that if he was fed, he wouldn't hunt.
This turned out not to be the case. After a few local farmers explained that they understood that the thing was some kind of rare critter from Australia, but that if it killed another lamb, they were gonna shoot its ass, the dingo was kept in at night.
An animal that's programmed to hunt, will hunt.
All of my cats hunt; and they are well taken care of, food-wise (and otherwise).
But cats are programmed to stalk, and hunt, and they'll do it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:54:32pm |
re: #302 reine.de.tout
An animal that's programmed to hunt, will hunt.
All of my cats hunt; and they are well taken care of, food-wise (and otherwise).
But cats are programmed to stalk, and hunt, and they'll do it.
They don't like being bored, like children, will always find something to get in to.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:55:12pm |
re: #272 freetoken
Is it time to start making predictions for 2011?
A few off the top of my head:
- TV host Glenn Beck will narrowly escape death when he is mistaken for the Pilsbury Dough Boy and crammed into a hot oven during a guest appearance on the Paula Dean show.
- Alex Jones will claim that TSA screeners are in fact recruited from a tribe of depilated Sasquatch captured in Idaho and trained at Area 51.
- Julian Assange will escape from a Swedish prison and be apprehended months later living with a baboon troop in Michael Moore's backyard (these being the only friends he has left by then.)
- The Fort Sumter sesquicentenniel celebration in Charleston Harbor will go terribly wrong when a passing federal ship mistakes the proceedings for the real thing and returns fire at the celebrants.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:55:15pm |
re: #302 reine.de.tout
An animal that's programmed to hunt, will hunt.
All of my cats hunt; and they are well taken care of, food-wise (and otherwise).
But cats are programmed to stalk, and hunt, and they'll do it.
Our dog was interesting to watch with the mice in our old house. He would follow them around. I never saw him attack one, but he would pad from room to room, tracking them.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:55:41pm |
Except my Cat Overlord. He sleeps on the bed and directs me to do his hunting for him.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:55:50pm |
re: #302 reine.de.tout
An animal that's programmed to hunt, will hunt.
All of my cats hunt; and they are well taken care of, food-wise (and otherwise).
But cats are programmed to stalk, and hunt, and they'll do it.
Cats are pre-programmed methinks...... my neutered male cat still tries to mount the spayed female.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:56:42pm |
re: #307 Mr Pancakes
Cats are pre-programmed methinks... my neutered male cat still tries to mount the spayed female.
You wouldn't?
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:56:56pm |
re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist
Our dog was interesting to watch with the mice in our old house. He would follow them around. I never saw him attack one, but he would pad from room to room, tracking them.
Ha.
Our dog likes to chase things; but he's never caught anything, and I'm not sure he would know what to do with it if he did.
The cats mainly like to toy with things, once they catch them. But honestly, none of 'em much better than the dog, as far as catching things goes.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:57:14pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:58:40pm |
re: #305 SanFranciscoZionist
Our dog was interesting to watch with the mice in our old house. He would follow them around. I never saw him attack one, but he would pad from room to room, tracking them.
My companion dogs love to track. They find something and don't have a clue what to do then. They look at you as if to say, "Well, aren't you supposed to shoot it or something?"
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 8:59:31pm |
re: #307 Mr Pancakes
Cats are pre-programmed methinks... my neutered male cat still tries to mount the spayed female.
Bonne année et bonne santé.
I have a male kitten, under a year old, neutered 4 months ago or so, and he still tries to mate with my arm. Kind of cute, grabs some of my flesh on the back of my wrist with his teeth, death locked, and then tries to figure out how it's going to work.
Frustrates the hell out of him.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:00:09pm |
re: #309 reine.de.tout
Ha.
Our dog likes to chase things; but he's never caught anything, and I'm not sure he would know what to do with it if he did.The cats mainly like to toy with things, once they catch them. But honestly, none of 'em much better than the dog, as far as catching things goes.
We once took our dog to visit relatives in the country (his, not ours, we went to the people who gave him to us, so we could hang out with them. They still had his mother and brother.)
While we were there, he grabbed a rooster. The other dogs had been trained not to go after the poultry, but our dog was raised in the city, and we let him chase seagulls on the beach. He was never going to catch one, so why not?
When the rooster started to struggle, he panicked. He'd done the whole thing on instinct, and hadn't, I suspect, thought through what was going to happen next.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:01:26pm |
re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist
We once took our dog to visit relatives in the country (his, not ours, we went to the people who gave him to us, so we could hang out with them. They still had his mother and brother.)
While we were there, he grabbed a rooster. The other dogs had been trained not to go after the poultry, but our dog was raised in the city, and we let him chase seagulls on the beach. He was never going to catch one, so why not?
When the rooster started to struggle, he panicked. He'd done the whole thing on instinct, and hadn't, I suspect, thought through what was going to happen next.
Chapter two please.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:01:33pm |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
re: #309 reine.de.tout
Ha.
Our dog likes to chase things; but he's never caught anything, and I'm not sure he would know what to do with it if he did.The cats mainly like to toy with things, once they catch them. But honestly, none of 'em much better than the dog, as far as catching things goes.
Our crazy dog used to go nuts, straining at the end of his run to get at the "something" that was lurking out in the creek area behind our house and demanding we take him on hours long "hunts" through the brush sniffing it out. Then one day it got int the house. A cat. It came right in and sat on the counter. The dog climbed on my son's chest and wouldn't get off. He's not a small dog. But the kid is bigger and pushed him off. Now Jake just ignores the cat which uses his dog door to come and go as it pleases and even eats his dog food. Crazy dog.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:03:20pm |
re: #292 Mr Pancakes
Dude... do you know they took the word gullible out of the dictionary?
They replaced it with an entry called "Glenn Beck Viewer".
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:03:27pm |
re: #317 Escaped Hillbilly
re: #309 reine.de.tout
Our crazy dog used to go nuts, straining at the end of his run to get at the "something" that was lurking out in the creek area behind our house and demanding we take him on hours long "hunts" through the brush sniffing it out. Then one day it got int the house. A cat. It came right in and sat on the counter. The dog climbed on my son's chest and wouldn't get off. He's not a small dog. But the kid is bigger and pushed him off. Now Jake just ignores the cat which uses his dog door to come and go as it pleases and even eats his dog food. Crazy dog.
They seem to make a distinction between what is inside the house and what is outside.
Unless it is a trained Brittany. Never trust a Brittany--trained or not.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:04:53pm |
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Bubblehead II Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:05:03pm |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
Rein, not trying to dodge you or your questions. Temps are cold and dropping. and I have things that have be to done.
But I ask only one thing. Don't feed the animals.
May The Deity Of You're Choice Smile Upon You.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:05:16pm |
re: #319 ggt
They seem to make a distinction between what is inside the house and what is outside.
Unless it is a trained Brittany. Never trust a Brittany--trained or not.
Yes they do!
We have cats show up from time to time, more often than I'd like, but you know - people leave them behind, we feed them. When they're still porch cats, our dog goes crazy barking at them. But once a cat has managed to make the leap, so to speak, from being porch cat to house cat, the dog will leave him alone.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:05:16pm |
re: #319 ggt
Lovable mutt. I think he's part shepherd part hound. I don't know. He's great at sniffing stuff out and digging things up. Doesn't seem to know what to do next though. He points too. I don't think anyone taught him that, but we encourage it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:05:56pm |
re: #316 Mr Pancakes
Chapter two please.
Well, he started to paw at the rooster, still holding it in his teeth, and the rooster (name of George, we later discovered), passed out.
Our hostess came running out to see what my mother was screaming about, and when she saw, she said "Now, Nato (that was the dog), aren't you being silly? Give me George."
My mother was begging her not to try to take the rooster out of his mouth, for fear he might bite her, but he was thoroughly freaked out by the whole thing, and when she took the rooster, he let her have it without protesting and sort of backed off.
This is where accounts of the story diverge. Our hostess insisted later that the chicken was only unconscious, and would have come around in a minute anyway. My mother believes firmly that George was dead, and our hostess, who was a sweet, earthy woman with a lot of spiritual oomph, brought him back to life. At any rate, he got off with a broken wing, which healed, and Nato was kept on leash outdoors for the rest of the visit.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:06:02pm |
It's brutally fucking cold here. I want to sleep until May.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:06:06pm |
re: #323 Escaped Hillbilly
Lovable mutt. I think he's part shepherd part hound. I don't know. He's great at sniffing stuff out and digging things up. Doesn't seem to know what to do next though. He points too. I don't think anyone taught him that, but we encourage it.
What do you encourage him to point at?
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:06:28pm |
re: #319 ggt
They seem to make a distinction between what is inside the house and what is outside.
Unless it is a trained Brittany. Never trust a Brittany--trained or not.
A cat will pass by our screen door at night that my two cats apparently don't like...... since they can't attack that cat, they fight each other with a vengeance..... I don't get it.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:07:06pm |
re: #325 Killgore Trout
It's brutally fucking cold here. I want to sleep until May.
It's warmed up tonight... we are at 1 (f)... will only go down to zero tonight...
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:07:12pm |
re: #309 reine.de.tout
LOL!
We had a boxer dog catch a cat in the backyard. Cats in the dogs mouth, claws into the dogs chest, dog is looking an the humans with a "what do I do now?" look. It was pretty funny.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:07:42pm |
re: #324 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, he started to paw at the rooster, still holding it in his teeth, and the rooster (name of George, we later discovered), passed out.
Our hostess came running out to see what my mother was screaming about, and when she saw, she said "Now, Nato (that was the dog), aren't you being silly? Give me George."
My mother was begging her not to try to take the rooster out of his mouth, for fear he might bite her, but he was thoroughly freaked out by the whole thing, and when she took the rooster, he let her have it without protesting and sort of backed off.
This is where accounts of the story diverge. Our hostess insisted later that the chicken was only unconscious, and would have come around in a minute anyway. My mother believes firmly that George was dead, and our hostess, who was a sweet, earthy woman with a lot of spiritual oomph, brought him back to life. At any rate, he got off with a broken wing, which healed, and Nato was kept on leash outdoors for the rest of the visit.
That's cool.... happy ending.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:07:58pm |
re: #323 Escaped Hillbilly
Lovable mutt. I think he's part shepherd part hound. I don't know. He's great at sniffing stuff out and digging things up. Doesn't seem to know what to do next though. He points too. I don't think anyone taught him that, but we encourage it.
all my dogs have pointed --all huntin' dogs, but none of them Pointers. I think they are genetically meant to partner with man. They find it and you are supposed to kill it. Then they bring it to you. Problem is that most owners didn't get the dog to be a hunting companion. We've let them down in a way. :)
I had a beagle that pointed airplanes.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:08:34pm |
re: #324 SanFranciscoZionist
I miss the Gaza Rooster.
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:08:52pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:10:14pm |
re: #322 reine.de.tout
Yes they do!
We have cats show up from time to time, more often than I'd like, but you know - people leave them behind, we feed them. When they're still porch cats, our dog goes crazy barking at them. But once a cat has managed to make the leap, so to speak, from being porch cat to house cat, the dog will leave him alone.
Then there are some cats that will even use the dog's bed:
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:10:16pm |
re: #329 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
We had a boxer dog catch a cat in the backyard. Cats in the dogs mouth, claws into the dogs chest, dog is looking an the humans with a "what do I do now?" look. It was pretty funny.
I had a GSD that didn't understand cats. Lost every time. She would chase them then get a swat in the nose. Dog had scars on it's nose from cat claws.
I think the cats used her terribly. She fell for it everytime.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:10:27pm |
re: #325 Killgore Trout
Do you have a nice shamwow to keep you warm?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:10:54pm |
re: #331 ggt
all my dogs have pointed --all huntin' dogs, but none of them Pointers. I think they are genetically meant to partner with man. They find it and you are supposed to kill it. Then they bring it to you. Problem is that most owners didn't get the dog to be a hunting companion. We've let them down in a way. :)
I had a beagle that pointed airplanes.
I read an article last year that said that humans and dogs are the only animals that understand pointing. Even chimps and wolves don't 'get it'. It's something our two species seem to have developed as a unit.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:11:04pm |
re: #326 reine.de.tout
Everything but cars. He has learned his lesson about things with wheels that go fast. He's not crazy about the riding mower either. He thinks he's being clever when he shows us stuff. There are a lot of critters out back in the creek area. One time he pointed at the neighbor's grandkids but I think he just wanted to go play with them. (I hope so anyway.//) We give him dog treats or bits of hot dog. Whe he does the one paw trick he gets a little one. All up gets a half a hotdog. But if he wants a whole one, he has to find something new to point out. He's pretty good at it. That dog loves hotdogs and chicken. And if we ignore him he plants himself in front of the tv and barks once, then does the paw trick... We may have created a monster.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:11:51pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:12:02pm |
re: #327 Mr Pancakes
A cat will pass by our screen door at night that my two cats apparently don't like... since they can't attack that cat, they fight each other with a vengeance... I don't get it.
Pheromones. They get angry just from the smell of the other cat.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:12:24pm |
re: #331 ggt
Airplanes? That would make a heck of Thanksgiving dinner! Who wants wings? Funny.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:12:28pm |
re: #325 Killgore Trout
It's brutally fucking cold here. I want to sleep until May.
Man I hear ya... as of 8:00 it was 75 degrees, but with the wind chill factor it feels like 73.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:13:15pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:13:40pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:13:50pm |
re: #337 SanFranciscoZionist
Chimps don't? Wow. I would've thought they would. They hunt as packs in the wild sometimes. Bet you could teach them. Maybe if they had a good dog?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:13:57pm |
re: #344 Killgore Trout
What a bunch of cretins.
They look awfully low-key and normal compared to the nutjobs we get around here.
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Digital Display Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:13:58pm |
My new years predictions
It the year 2011
House Speaker Bohner will break down in tears and rushed to a local hospital
Harry Reid wins a million dollar jackpot in Vegas and hires 63 housekeepers
Nancy Pelosi refuses to give up her Military Jet and is arrested on the Tarmac in SF
Sarah Palin is Bestowed Sainthood and immediately shoots an Animal for sport
Gov. Christy goes on a diet and endorses Nutrisystems and pays off NJ state debt with the proceeds
Obama moves the Western White House to Hawaii and returns to DC 3 weeks out of every year
Joe Biden finally leaves the beer summit stealing a half of a keg in his trunk
America Forgets that the Military is in Iraq and hires UPS to ship them home
The top 2% wage earners forget to hire workers and pocket the money
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:15:30pm |
re: #346 Escaped Hillbilly
Chimps don't? Wow. I would've thought they would. They hunt as packs in the wild sometimes. Bet you could teach them. Maybe if they had a good dog?
Possibly. There's apparently quite a bit of research going on about the whole thing.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:15:46pm |
re: #336 Floral Giraffe
Do you have a nice shamwow to keep you warm?
I'm wearing doubled up wool hats and socks but it's not working. Had a nice day of bird watching. When it freezes like this I have the only source of running water from my pond fountain. All the birds show up and take turns drinking.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:16:57pm |
re: #350 Killgore Trout
The wadi that runs by our airfield is frozen white. Kind of pretty in a stark kind of way. Wonder what the goats are drinking now?
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:17:05pm |
re: #348 HoosierHoops
My new years predictions
It the year 2011
House Speaker Bohner will break down in tears as he is rushed to a local hospital from an overdose of Viagra with a bohner lasting over 4 hours.
/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:17:17pm |
Our next pup is scheduled to be a trained hunting companion. It will be interesting to see if any of the other dogs learn from him/her.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:17:52pm |
2011 will look a lot like 2010, but with one more 1 in it.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:18:14pm |
re: #354 Escaped Hillbilly
2011 will look a lot like 2010, but with one more 1 in it.
Yea.... no kiddin'
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:18:26pm |
My cousin's family (his father is my father's younger brother) once owned a Golden Retriever-mix that was a terror to smaller animals. His name was Clifford, and to humans he was loving and friendly. But to raccoons he was death itself. I will never forget the day my cousin and I were walking Clifford along a paved trail when he suddenly dived into the brush, pulled out a half-grown raccoon and proceeded to slam it against the pavement. By the time my cousin pulled the dog off, the raccoon was mortally wounded and after it lay there for a couple of minutes, only breathing, we let the dog finish it off. That was the first time I saw an animal killed.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:19:58pm |
re: #356 Dark_Falcon
My cousin's family (his father is my father's younger brother) once owned a Golden Retriever-mix that was a terror to smaller animals. His name was Clifford, and to humans he was loving and friendly. But to raccoons he was death itself. I will never forget the day my cousin and I were walking Clifford along a paved trail when he suddenly dived into the brush, pulled out a half-grown raccoon and proceeded to slam it against the pavement. By the time my cousin pulled the dog off, the raccoon was mortally wounded and after it lay there for a couple of minutes, only breathing, we let the dog finish it off. That was the first time I saw an animal killed.
Clifford was only doing his job. That raccoon could have hurt you or given you fleas . . . .
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:21:52pm |
re: #356 Dark_Falcon
My cousin's family (his father is my father's younger brother) once owned a Golden Retriever-mix that was a terror to smaller animals. His name was Clifford, and to humans he was loving and friendly. But to raccoons he was death itself. I will never forget the day my cousin and I were walking Clifford along a paved trail when he suddenly dived into the brush, pulled out a half-grown raccoon and proceeded to slam it against the pavement. By the time my cousin pulled the dog off, the raccoon was mortally wounded and after it lay there for a couple of minutes, only breathing, we let the dog finish it off. That was the first time I saw an animal killed.
Thank for sharing that Dark Falcon...... I'm sure I'll carry that to bed with me tonight.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:22:03pm |
re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist
They look awfully low-key and normal compared to the nutjobs we get around here.
I think its that they are somewhat more numerous in SF (though still clearly not in the majority). When people are around substantially more people who are of the same mind as them, they tend to get bolder. We're pack hunters, too, in our way.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:22:56pm |
re: #359 Mr Pancakes
Thank for sharing that Dark Falcon... I'm sure I'll carry that to bed with me tonight.
Sorry. I just felt it a good story to contribute.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:24:25pm |
re: #361 Dark_Falcon
Sorry. I just felt it a good story to contribute.
No need to apologize...... I was only joking dude.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:24:43pm |
re: #360 Dark_Falcon
I think its that they are somewhat more numerous in SF (though still clearly not in the majority). When people are around substantially more people who are of the same mind as them, they tend to get bolder. We're pack hunters, too, in our way.
Mob mentality?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:25:12pm |
I feel like oreos. Who has the oreos? Please pass them this way.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:25:18pm |
re: #244 reine.de.tout
Unusual case:
A well-fed fox, is not going to go after the neighborhood small dogs and cats.
A well fed fox will bear kits, who must also be fed. Think it through.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:26:03pm |
re: #364 ggt
I feel like oreos. Who has the oreos? Please pass them this way.
One cookie that I never liked....... I know, I'm a communist.
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:26:13pm |
Winter sucks.
Some good movies on Hulu recently. Two that I've watched.
Pickup on South Street - Film noir with "reds" from the 50s. With Richard Widmark!
What Did You Do In The War, Daddy? - Blake Edwards 1960s WWII farce with James Coburn.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:27:06pm |
OK, I'm changing topics back to family history.
Of several things my mom inherited, one was a piece of furniture that apparently had been used by my grandfather's sister-in-law in her home. This lady was a most elegant and proper lady.
At some point, she apparently had a group of friends over, and the entertainment of the day was to draw names and write racy stories about each other. This must have been early 1900's. These stories were placed in a drawer in this table, and apparently stayed there 'til my mom found them 50 years later.
Anyhow, for the amusement of those of you who might find it amusing, here's one of the stories:
Who would have thought anything could be said about such a meek appearing little woman as Mrs. _____. But they tell me she is not only a suffragette but is in favor of one-piece bathing suits, which she wears while bathing at Sulphur Springs with another woman's husband. He was not only not her husband, but of all things that added to her embarrassment, the boat was coming up the river and in trying to get out of its way, he slipped on a rock and split his trousers. "Oh, what if it ends up in a case to be settled in Reno!" said she.
A suffragette who likes one-piece bathing suits! Shocking!
'nother one:
Mrs. _____ seems to be a most charming woman, but likes company so well especially that male sex that she could be misjudged by the gossiping public, was seen chatting in a most animated way with her husband's best friend. They were at the lake and they were each clad in a one-piece bathing suit. No wonder it wsa the Divorce court. Her husband will have a hard time finding another as good as I've heard she was one time. Ah, me. Women are fickle and changeable creatures, and to think it all started over a glass of beer.
There's that one-piece bathing suit again. LOL. This must have been something new they were all scandalized by.
Good night, all!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:27:18pm |
re: #364 ggt
I feel like oreos. Who has the oreos? Please pass them this way.
I have a WHOLE AISLE full of them at the super market, I'll be there in about 45 minutes, you want I should eat some for you?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:27:19pm |
re: #367 Gus 802
Winter sucks.
Some good movies on Hulu recently. Two that I've watched.
Pickup on South Street - Film noir with "reds" from the 50s. With Richard Widmark!
What Did You Do In The War, Daddy? - Blake Edwards 1960s WWII farce with James Coburn.
Winter is wonderful! All the little allergens and mosquitos are DEAD. I can breathe and have lots of energy. And, one get's to snuggle by the fire with warm companions . . . .
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:27:58pm |
re: #355 Mr Pancakes
Yea... no kiddin'
If you keep your predictions predictable, you're never wrong. I also predict consumer electronics will get cheaper and smaller. The economy will continue to limp along and make slow progress toward recovery which no one will appreciate but some will exaggerate for political purposes. The people in those FEMA trailers will continue to resist the government's efforts to get them out. Every level of government will continue to waste taxpayer money. Taxpayers will continue to whine that they pay too much while demanding more and better services. Natural disasters will kill thousands all over the globe. A new war will break out somewhere. A new treaty or pact will be signed somewhere else, and almost immediately be violated. Mexican drug cartels will increase their violence; we'll do nothing about it. And Tommy Chong will continue to advocate for legal pot. Oprah's new network will make money despite being the suckiest entertainment venue on television. An award winning athlete will get busted for a violent offense involving booze and/or drugs but get less than a month in jail. Oh, and they'll broadcast an overly sentimental tribute to someone famous who will die "too young" this year.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:28:42pm |
re: #369 Walter L. Newton
I have a WHOLE AISLE full of them at the super market, I'll be there in about 45 minutes, you want I should eat some for you?
Hey, you buy, you fly, you eats too!
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:28:59pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:30:04pm |
re: #368 reine.de.tout
OK, I'm changing topics back to family history.
Of several things my mom inherited, one was a piece of furniture that apparently had been used by my grandfather's sister-in-law in her home. This lady was a most elegant and proper lady.
At some point, she apparently had a group of friends over, and the entertainment of the day was to draw names and write racy stories about each other. This must have been early 1900's. These stories were placed in a drawer in this table, and apparently stayed there 'til my mom found them 50 years later.
Anyhow, for the amusement of those of you who might find it amusing, here's one of the stories:
A suffragette who likes one-piece bathing suits! Shocking!
'nother one:
There's that one-piece bathing suit again. LOL. This must have been something new they were all scandalized by.
Good night, all!
Now, I don't know how many of these you have, but if I had them, I would take the meager information in each letter, and weave a whole novel around them... you would need to find the "hook" or link that would tie them together, or find some juxtaposition against another story line (such as a contemporary story line) or something along that idea.
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:30:21pm |
re: #370 ggt
Winter is wonderful! All the little allergens and mosquitos are DEAD. I can breathe and have lots of energy. And, one get's to snuggle by the fire with warm companions . . .
Yeah. I don't get hay fever here. I used to like winter but these days. It's always meant a work slowdown and I've had about all I can take after 2 years of this recession.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:30:24pm |
re: #369 Walter L. Newton
I have a WHOLE AISLE full of them at the super market, I'll be there in about 45 minutes, you want I should eat some for you?
I thought Charles kept a stash here in the sekrit bunker. Usually there are some on the buffet , but I can't seem to find them. . . .
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:30:42pm |
re: #371 Escaped Hillbilly
If you keep your predictions predictable, you're never wrong. I also predict consumer electronics will get cheaper and smaller. The economy will continue to limp along and make slow progress toward recovery which no one will appreciate but some will exaggerate for political purposes. The people in those FEMA trailers will continue to resist the government's efforts to get them out. Every level of government will continue to waste taxpayer money. Taxpayers will continue to whine that they pay too much while demanding more and better services. Natural disasters will kill thousands all over the globe. A new war will break out somewhere. A new treaty or pact will be signed somewhere else, and almost immediately be violated. Mexican drug cartels will increase their violence; we'll do nothing about it. And Tommy Chong will continue to advocate for legal pot. Oprah's new network will make money despite being the suckiest entertainment venue on television. An award winning athlete will get busted for a violent offense involving booze and/or drugs but get less than a month in jail. Oh, and they'll broadcast an overly sentimental tribute to someone famous who will die "too young" this year.
Ding ding ding... we have a winner!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:30:54pm |
re: #372 ggt
Hey, you buy, you fly, you eats too!
No... I work... overnight shift babysitting self scan tonight, and stocking the cereal/coffee aisle. I'm flying, but staying for 8 hours.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:31:09pm |
re: #374 Walter L. Newton
Now, I don't know how many of these you have, but if I had them, I would take the meager information in each letter, and weave a whole novel around them... you would need to find the "hook" or link that would tie them together, or find some juxtaposition against another story line (such as a contemporary story line) or something along that idea.
There are 5 stories in all, but sheesh - I do not have the talent to do what you say.
Want them all? I'll send them to you.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:32:39pm |
re: #368 reine.de.tout
LOL! Mom's grandfathers brother, the speculator, turns out to have bought mineral rights that are no in the Marcellus Shale. God bless his pointy little head!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:32:39pm |
re: #378 Walter L. Newton
No... I work... overnight shift babysitting self scan tonight, and stocking the cereal/coffee aisle. I'm flying, but staying for 8 hours.
Well, that's not going to help much. I WANT THEM NOW. Well, if someone doesn't have them, I'll just manage without. But bring some back to replenish the buffet, okay?
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:32:40pm |
re: #379 reine.de.tout
There are 5 stories in all, but sheesh - I do not have the talent to do what you say.
Want them all? I'll send them to you.
I typed them out long ago, and I'll send them to you along with background about the town, my aunt, etc etc.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:33:06pm |
re: #379 reine.de.tout
There are 5 stories in all, but sheesh - I do not have the talent to do what you say.
Want them all? I'll send them to you.
Don't send me the originals... if you can, copy them and send them on. Yes, I want to look them over, there may be something I can do. Stuff like that also works as foundational material for stage ideas.
Yes, I'd like to see them. Of course, I wouldn't do anything with them, without consulting you first and letting you know my idea... if I come up with one.
You have my address, or you know how to get it.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:34:08pm |
re: #381 ggt
Well, that's not going to help much. I WANT THEM NOW. Well, if someone doesn't have them, I'll just manage without. But bring some back to replenish the buffet, okay?
Sure... unless I eat them on the drive home.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:34:29pm |
re: #383 Walter L. Newton
Don't send me the originals... if you can, copy them and send them on. Yes, I want to look them over, there may be something I can do. Stuff like that also works as foundational material for stage ideas.
Yes, I'd like to see them. Of course, I wouldn't do anything with them, without consulting you first and letting you know my idea... if I come up with one.
You have my address, or you know how to get it.
OK. Like I said, I typed them out a long time ago and just need to copy them, and I'll put together background about the town and my aunt so you'll know what sort of folks these were. So it may be a day or two before I get them in the mail. I'd love to see a story of some sort.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:34:44pm |
re: #384 Walter L. Newton
Sure... unless I eat them on the drive home.
Thanks, I really appreciate it.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:35:02pm |
That's strange... temperature has gone up a bit, it's at 2.8 degrees (f) above zero.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:35:30pm |
re: #380 Floral Giraffe
LOL! Mom's grandfathers brother, the speculator, turns out to have bought mineral rights that are no in the Marcellus Shale. God bless his pointy little head!
Shale may be good if gas prices keep going up....... pointy little head..... Jefferson Airplane reference?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:35:49pm |
re: #385 reine.de.tout
OK. Like I said, I typed them out a long time ago and just need to copy them, and I'll put together background about the town and my aunt so you'll know what sort of folks these were. So it may be a day or two before I get them in the mail. I'd love to see a story of some sort.
There is something here to be said about one-piece bathing suit blasfeemers, but I can't seem to weave it.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:35:58pm |
re: #385 reine.de.tout
OK. Like I said, I typed them out a long time ago and just need to copy them, and I'll put together background about the town and my aunt so you'll know what sort of folks these were. So it may be a day or two before I get them in the mail. I'd love to see a story of some sort.
Thanks... can't guarantee anything, but we'll see.
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:36:20pm |
re: #387 Walter L. Newton
That's strange... temperature has gone up a bit, it's at 2.8 degrees (f) above zero.
That's the alien spaceship that just hovered near your vicinity.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:37:25pm |
re: #391 Gus 802
That's the alien spaceship that just hovered near your vicinity.
One of the entrances to the secret UFO passages that run all through the Rockies and end up at DIA is in the back of my closet in my bedroom.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:37:40pm |
re: #388 Mr Pancakes
It's not been worth anything since 1890, and now it it.
Pointy little head or no.
Good night all.
Be well.
Happy 2011 to you all.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:37:55pm |
re: #392 Walter L. Newton
One of the entrances to the secret UFO passages that run all through the Rockies and end up at DIA is in the back of my closet in my bedroom.
Do they have oreos?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:38:23pm |
re: #394 ggt
Do they have oreos?
Sure. If you don't mind the ectoplasm as a substitute for the "frosting"
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:39:09pm |
re: #394 ggt
Do they have oreos?
Yes. But they only give you Oreos if you submit to a probing. Be careful though. If they start giving you too many Oreos that means they're only fattening you up for consumption.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:39:25pm |
re: #392 Walter L. Newton
One of the entrances to the secret UFO passages that run all through the Rockies and end up at DIA is in the back of my closet in my bedroom.
So that's why people say your plays are "out of this world good".
/Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:40:09pm |
re: #396 Gus 802
Yes. But they only give you Oreos if you submit to a probing. Be careful though. If they start giving you too many Oreos that means they're only fattening you up for consumption.
It's a cookbook!
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:40:15pm |
re: #395 EmmmieG
Sure. If you don't mind the ectoplasm as a substitute for the "frosting"
Oreos don't have frosting, they have "stuff". You must be one of them!
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:40:24pm |
re: #392 Walter L. Newton
One of the entrances to the secret UFO passages that run all through the Rockies and end up at DIA is in the back of my closet in my bedroom.
Cue the Man From Uncle theme song.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:40:52pm |
re: #399 Escaped Hillbilly
Oreos don't have frosting, they have "stuff". You must be one of them!
I just have trouble referring to the white gunk as "stuff." I need a classification that I can at least pretend is food.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:41:01pm |
re: #391 Gus 802
That's the alien spaceship that just hovered near your vicinity.
Right now I'll take any heat source, even a death ray. This house does fine in the winter when temps are in the 20's at night, and we get a sufficient amount of sun during the day.
But when we get these multiple day Arctic snaps, it gets chilly in almost every room except the living room... and stays chilly.
Back bathroom toilet always freezes (doesn't do any damage, water just doesn't fill)... so we have to trek out to the toilet off the kitchen.
Even my office, which is usually warm, is chilly.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:41:29pm |
re: #395 EmmmieG
Sure. If you don't mind the ectoplasm as a substitute for the "frosting"
ewwwww!
You'd think even aliens would recognize that there is NO substitute.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:41:38pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:42:35pm |
re: #402 Walter L. Newton
Right now I'll take any heat source, even a death ray. This house does fine in the winter when temps are in the 20's at night, and we get a sufficient amount of sun during the day.
But when we get these multiple day Arctic snaps, it gets chilly in almost every room except the living room... and stays chilly.
Back bathroom toilet always freezes (doesn't do any damage, water just doesn't fill)... so we have to trek out to the toilet off the kitchen.
Even my office, which is usually warm, is chilly.
Addendum : I'm actually going to be happy to get into my car, which will be warmer than my office, and to get to work, which will be warmer than this house right now.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:43:05pm |
re: #404 Mr Pancakes
Very good DF... How to Serve Man.
Can you see the Moonbats lining-up? All wanting to serve their fellow man.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:44:03pm |
re: #406 ggt
Can you see the Moonbats lining-up? All wanting to serve their fellow man.
Michael Moore would feed a family of 17.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:44:35pm |
re: #405 Walter L. Newton
Addendum : I'm actually going to be happy to get into my car, which will be warmer than my office, and to get to work, which will be warmer than this house right now.
No space heater--wool socks, thinsulate, foot warmers, dogs, cats, those things you put in the microwave?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:45:55pm |
re: #402 Walter L. Newton
Right now I'll take any heat source, even a death ray. This house does fine in the winter when temps are in the 20's at night, and we get a sufficient amount of sun during the day.
But when we get these multiple day Arctic snaps, it gets chilly in almost every room except the living room... and stays chilly.
Back bathroom toilet always freezes (doesn't do any damage, water just doesn't fill)... so we have to trek out to the toilet off the kitchen.
Even my office, which is usually warm, is chilly.
it's blistering cold down here....for some reason I want to blame you....my furnace has been pounding out the heat all day but as soon as it shuts off, it's freezing cold within minutes
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:46:02pm |
re: #407 Mr Pancakes
Michael Moore would feed a family of 17.
Wingnuts lining up telling them it's a conspiracy devised by George Soros. Ah, I can see it now.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:46:13pm |
re: #408 ggt
No space heater--wool socks, thinsulate, foot warmers, dogs, cats, those things you put in the microwave?
You put dogs and cats in the microwave?//
They make these little chemical packets for warming your hands. We take them out to the landing zone with us. They work great and keep forever.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:46:24pm |
re: #408 ggt
No space heater--wool socks, thinsulate, foot warmers, dogs, cats, those things you put in the microwave?
dude....we are westerners, please
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:46:39pm |
re: #407 Mr Pancakes
Michael Moore would feed a family of 17.
No, he wouldn't, too much fat. He'd be a good supply of cooking lard, though.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:46:43pm |
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:46:56pm |
re: #406 ggt
Can you see the Moonbats lining-up? All wanting to serve their fellow man.
No more wars on Earth! That is, after they depopulate it. Aliens need a snack on their way through the galaxy.
//
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:47:16pm |
re: #411 Escaped Hillbilly
You put dogs and cats in the microwave?//
They make these little chemical packets for warming your hands. We take them out to the landing zone with us. They work great and keep forever.
No, I'm talking about those things with the beady things in them. You put them in the microwave and then around your neck. I use them as a bed warmer when it is really cold. Put them by my feet.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:47:30pm |
re: #414 EmmmieG
Yeah, we just freeze bravely.
if there is an option, it was thought of long ago....DUH!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:48:18pm |
re: #417 albusteve
if there is an option, it was thought of long ago...DUH!
Heated mattress pad. Friend of mine in Idaho was raving about hers. It's sounding really nice right now.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:48:19pm |
re: #409 albusteve
it's blistering cold down here...for some reason I want to blame you...my furnace has been pounding out the heat all day but as soon as it shuts off, it's freezing cold within minutes
It's nasty cold up here, too.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:48:20pm |
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:49:13pm |
re: #402 Walter L. Newton
Right now I'll take any heat source, even a death ray. This house does fine in the winter when temps are in the 20's at night, and we get a sufficient amount of sun during the day.
But when we get these multiple day Arctic snaps, it gets chilly in almost every room except the living room... and stays chilly.
Back bathroom toilet always freezes (doesn't do any damage, water just doesn't fill)... so we have to trek out to the toilet off the kitchen.
Even my office, which is usually warm, is chilly.
Yuck. A cold toilet seat is one of the worse things known to man (and woman).
/
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:50:10pm |
re: #421 Gus 802
Yuck. A cold toilet seat is one of the worse things known to man (and woman).
/
Cold toilet bowl rim is the worst thing known to woman.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:50:32pm |
re: #418 EmmmieG
Heated mattress pad. Friend of mine in Idaho was raving about hers. It's sounding really nice right now.
my bed is toasty, but I don't post from there....wait, hmmm
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:50:33pm |
re: #413 Dark_Falcon
No, he wouldn't, too much fat. He'd be a good supply of cooking lard, though.
Chicharrones, man!
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:50:44pm |
re: #421 Gus 802
A cold portapotty doesn't smell as bad. Just sayin.
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:51:11pm |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:51:47pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:52:15pm |
I have to sleep, going to be without oreos. . .
Have a fun evening all!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:52:38pm |
re: #425 Escaped Hillbilly
A cold portapotty doesn't smell as bad. Just sayin.
Cold temps slow down the chemical reactions that cause the smell.
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Interesting Times Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:53:17pm |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:53:29pm |
re: #429 Dark_Falcon
Cold temps slow down the chemical reactions that cause the smell.
which is why I don't shower til April or so
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:53:33pm |
re: #427 albusteve
good
I have my heater set to 74........ it has kicked in twice all winter.
Neener
Neener
Neener
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:53:46pm |
re: #408 ggt
No space heater--wool socks, thinsulate, foot warmers, dogs, cats, those things you put in the microwave?
This is a 3500 sqft house, large open common areas, two stories, bottom story is an above ground "basement." Part of the house, 50 years ago, was a bar in a near by town, moved up to this spot and placed on the lower story. Most of the walls are tongue and grove pine planks and the floors upstairs are hardwood, no rugs. The "basement" under floor is cement.
We have a gas furnace, which doesn't really make the house toasty and the cost of gas up here is very high. If I ran the furnace, my gas bill alone would be over 300 dollars a month.
We use two wood pellet stoves, one downstairs and one insert in the living room fireplace. They do fine when we don't have an arctic
freeze like this.
We have electric blankets and a couple of electric heaters. Unfortunately the electric heater from my office is doing duty in the upstairs back bathroom to keep anything else from freezing.
Minor inconveniences, but the idea is living in the mountains without spending a fortune on utilities and services. were far from rich.
Of course there are homes up here that are so environmentally shut up that you barely know if you are living in the mountains or living in New York City. That's like visiting a foreign country and then eating no where but McDonalds.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:54:28pm |
re: #433 Mr Pancakes
I have my heater set to 74... it has kicked in twice all winter.
Neener
Neener
Neener
yeah, but you have to live in CA....bwahahaha!
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:54:49pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:56:34pm |
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:56:43pm |
re: #436 albusteve
yeah, but you have to live in CA...bwahahaha!
All right...... you got me there....... it wouldn't be so bad if all of these outta staters wouldn't have showed up!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:57:48pm |
re: #434 Walter L. Newton
This is a 3500 sqft house, large open common areas, two stories, bottom story is an above ground "basement." Part of the house, 50 years ago, was a bar in a near by town, moved up to this spot and placed on the lower story. Most of the walls are tongue and grove pine planks and the floors upstairs are hardwood, no rugs. The "basement" under floor is cement.
We have a gas furnace, which doesn't really make the house toasty and the cost of gas up here is very high. If I ran the furnace, my gas bill alone would be over 300 dollars a month.
We use two wood pellet stoves, one downstairs and one insert in the living room fireplace. They do fine when we don't have an arctic
freeze like this.We have electric blankets and a couple of electric heaters. Unfortunately the electric heater from my office is doing duty in the upstairs back bathroom to keep anything else from freezing.
Minor inconveniences, but the idea is living in the mountains without spending a fortune on utilities and services. were far from rich.
Of course there are homes up here that are so environmentally shut up that you barely know if you are living in the mountains or living in New York City. That's like visiting a foreign country and then eating no where but McDonalds.
Could you add on another small heater? Some of the new models are quite energy efficient.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:58:22pm |
re: #439 Mr Pancakes
All right... you got me there... it wouldn't be so bad if all of these outta staters wouldn't have showed up!
yeah, I'll remember you said that when you move to NM for peace of mind...Santa Fe is full of Californians, looking for the good life
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:59:01pm |
re: #421 Gus 802
Nope, a cold toilet seat up, in the dark, is one of the worst!
Hope you don't fall in!
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 9:59:14pm |
re: #441 albusteve
yeah, I'll remember you said that when you move to NM for peace of mind...Santa Fe is full of Californians, looking for the good life
Dude... as much as I love NM ...... I'm moving to Mexico.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:00:59pm |
Wow... I just went outside to start the car, let it heat up, and I came back inside... it's really warm in here... LOL.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:01:45pm |
re: #443 Mr Pancakes
Dude... as much as I love NM ... I'm moving to Mexico.
if I had the money, I'd move out of Albuquerque into the unknown roundabout here....but I love ABQ, very similar to old Mexico in some places
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:02:27pm |
re: #441 albusteve
yeah, I'll remember you said that when you move to NM for peace of mind...Santa Fe is full of Californians, looking for the good life
I went to Santa Fe once. It's a bit like an amusement park of sorts. Super touristy. My brother and my SIL love the place but it ain't my style.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:03:12pm |
re: #430 publicityStunted
Then I take it you wouldn't be so keen on using
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:03:38pm |
re: #440 Dark_Falcon
Could you add on another small heater? Some of the new models are quite energy efficient.
No need to... like I mentioned above, these extended below zero chills only happen a few times every winter, and usually not more than 3-4 days... we should be in the single digits and teens overnight by Monday. Days will be in the 30's.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:04:23pm |
re: #445 albusteve
if I had the money, I'd move out of Albuquerque into the unknown roundabout here...but I love ABQ, very similar to old Mexico in some places
Yabutt..... Mexico is Mexico........ everything "Mexico" in the US is a "facade"..... that is not an argument in anyway with your statement....... it's just different.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:04:33pm |
re: #441 albusteve
yeah, I'll remember you said that when you move to NM for peace of mind...Santa Fe is full of Californians, looking for the good life
They thought they'd found it in Cali, then the government started to eat up too much of their money. It's because of problems like that that California won't be getting a new house seat this time. States like Arizona and Nevada are getting seats, since they've avoided serious governmental failure.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:06:00pm |
re: #446 Gus 802
I went to Santa Fe once. It's a bit like an amusement park of sorts. Super touristy. My brother and my SIL love the place but it ain't my style.
mine either...they don't like my type up there....it pales next to ABQ in many ways....buncha unhappy, liberal huggers up there that couldn't get by where I live
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lostlakehiker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:06:10pm |
re: #402 Walter L. Newton
Right now I'll take any heat source, even a death ray. This house does fine in the winter when temps are in the 20's at night, and we get a sufficient amount of sun during the day.
But when we get these multiple day Arctic snaps, it gets chilly in almost every room except the living room... and stays chilly.
Back bathroom toilet always freezes (doesn't do any damage, water just doesn't fill)... so we have to trek out to the toilet off the kitchen.
Even my office, which is usually warm, is chilly.
Polartec.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:06:19pm |
re: #448 Walter L. Newton
No need to... like I mentioned above, these extended below zero chills only happen a few times every winter, and usually not more than 3-4 days... we should be in the single digits and teens overnight by Monday. Days will be in the 30's.
Well, you know your circumstances best. Walter. But thank you for answering me.
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:06:41pm |
re: #451 albusteve
mine either...they don't like my type up there...it pales next to ABQ in many ways...buncha unhappy, liberal huggers up there that couldn't get by where I live
Boulder
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Irenicum Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:07:29pm |
Damn, that's a cool video. Is it me or is it late again? I'm moving soon, so my online presence may be limited in the days ahead. In any case, peace out gang.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:07:35pm |
re: #449 Mr Pancakes
Yabutt... Mexico is Mexico... everything "Mexico" in the US is a "facade"... that is not an argument in anyway with your statement... it's just different.
really?....come visit ABQs south valley....there is nothing remotely gringo for miles, it's the real deal amigo
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:08:57pm |
re: #454 Gus 802
Boulder
good god...I hate that town....pretense so thick you can cut it with a knife....Boulder is all that's wrong with CO....hi Walter!
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:09:28pm |
re: #451 albusteve
mine either...they don't like my type up there...it pales next to ABQ in many ways...buncha unhappy, liberal huggers up there that couldn't get by where I live
I meant that it reminded me of Boulder. I can't even go into a Whole Foods without getting brain freeze. Very upper middle class and if you're not wearing new clothing from North Face or REI they treat you like "the help".
"Do you work here?"
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:10:30pm |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
They thought they'd found it in Cali, then the government started to eat up too much of their money. It's because of problems like that that California won't be getting a new house seat this time. States like Arizona and Nevada are getting seats, since they've avoided serious governmental failure.
New Mexicans can't stand Californians....they honk at you, very disrespectful and rude....they can't learn to slow down
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:11:00pm |
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:13:35pm |
re: #456 albusteve
really?...come visit ABQs south valley...there is nothing remotely gringo for miles, it's the real deal amigo
I understand....... I'm in Chula Vista CA ...... 85% Hispanic ..... my point is you can't experience Mexico for reals up here...... as in cost of living. Food and stuff yes, I can find traditional Mexican comforts here.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:13:39pm |
re: #458 Gus 802
I meant that it reminded me of Boulder. I can't even go into a Whole Foods without getting brain freeze. Very upper middle class and if you're not wearing new clothing from North Face or REI they treat you like "the help".
"Do you work here?"
same thing...Santa Fe is as New Mexican as Peoria....but suddenly you wear the clothes, drive the SUV and voila!....spit
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:13:48pm |
re: #460 Varek Raith
"Do you see a fucking nametag?!?!"
:)
How dare you use such language at me! Do you know who I am? I demand to know your name this instant! I shall report you to your manager immediately!
/
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:14:22pm |
re: #462 albusteve
same thing...Santa Fe is as New Mexican as Peoria...but suddenly you wear the clothes, drive the SUV and voila!...spit
Yeah. But they care about the working class.
//
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:14:38pm |
re: #458 Gus 802
I meant that it reminded me of Boulder. I can't even go into a Whole Foods without getting brain freeze. Very upper middle class and if you're not wearing new clothing from North Face or REI they treat you like "the help".
"Do you work here?"
No shit. And it happened up here. The Safeway was the blue collar supermarket up here... a few years ago, they moved to a new store, a store that was designed like a "Whole Foods" store, prices went up and customer count went down. You go in there now, upscale pretty people.
Considering there is not that many upscale pretty people in the Conifer area (after all, it's the model for South Park), you know what happened. The Kroger store I work for up here is now slammed with customers, all the time. We are more blue collar, prices much better and we have a wider selection of various quality foods, all geared to multiple budget capabilities.
On Christmas eve... 4:00 pm, I left our store, we had 9 registers open plus the 6 self scan robots. I stopped at Safeway to pick something up.
Why? Because I knew I wouldn't have to wait in line. They had 3 registers open.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:14:48pm |
re: #463 Gus 802
How dare you use such language at me! Do you know who I am? I demand to know your name this instant! I shall report you to your manager immediately!
/
I am the manager!
MUHAHAHA!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:15:08pm |
Ok... off to work... see you all in the AM maybe.
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:15:50pm |
re: #465 Walter L. Newton
No shit. And it happened up here. The Safeway was the blue collar supermarket up here... a few years ago, they moved to a new store, a store that was designed like a "Whole Foods" store, prices went up and customer count went down. You go in there now, upscale pretty people.
Considering there is not that many upscale pretty people in the Conifer area (after all, it's the model for South Park), you know what happened. The Kroger store I work for up here is now slammed with customers, all the time. We are more blue collar, prices much better and we have a wider selection of various quality foods, all geared to multiple budget capabilities.
On Christmas eve... 4:00 pm, I left our store, we had 9 registers open plus the 6 self scan robots. I stopped at Safeway to pick something up.
Why? Because I knew I wouldn't have to wait in line. They had 3 registers open.
Yep. 5'-10" minimum. Thin and well built. Range Rover in the parking lot.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:16:02pm |
You know what's worst? They treat "the help" as "the help."
I've heard it said that the true measure of a person is how they treat those they have some power over, as in a customer-clerk relationship.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:17:07pm |
re: #461 Mr Pancakes
I understand... I'm in Chula Vista CA ... 85% Hispanic ... my point is you can't experience Mexico for reals up here... as in cost of living. Food and stuff yes, I can find traditional Mexican comforts here.
no, the two are not the same, but remember...the Rio Grande valley is the heart and soul of Hispanic culture in North America....they have been here 100 years longer than California
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:17:23pm |
re: #460 Varek Raith
"Do you see a fucking nametag?!?!"
:)
Ha-ha. My son loves to wear collared polo shirts which resemble the "uniform" in most stores. He's forever getting asked in Home Depot, the autoparts store, Lowes, etc. Lately he's taken to acting like he does work there. If the people are nice, he helps them find what they're looking for. In Home Depot he gives advice on the best building supplies and explains the difference between types of wires, outlets,what GFI means, what the numbers on the insulation means... If not, he purposely misdirects them. Revenge of the nerds.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:17:45pm |
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:19:41pm |
re: #470 albusteve
no, the two are not the same, but remember...the Rio Grande valley is the heart and soul of Hispanic culture in North America...they have been here 100 years longer than California
Ok...... your enchiladas are better than ours.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:22:14pm |
re: #469 EmmmieG
You know what's worst? They treat "the help" as "the help."
I've heard it said that the true measure of a person is how they treat those they have some power over, as in a customer-clerk relationship.
Almost a scientific fact, that is.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:22:20pm |
re: #462 albusteve
Several members of my family now live in New Mexico. Sante Fe is NOT New Mexico. And it has altogether too much political influence as our capital when they share absolutlely nothing in common with most of the state. Its expensive. But it is beautiful. Nice to visit.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:22:37pm |
re: #462 albusteve
same thing...Santa Fe is as New Mexican as Peoria...but suddenly you wear the clothes, drive the SUV and voila!...spit
Peoria, Arizona, or Peoria, Illinois?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:25:48pm |
re: #475 Escaped Hillbilly
Several members of my family now live in New Mexico. Sante Fe is NOT New Mexico. And it has altogether too much political influence as our capital when they share absolutlely nothing in common with most of the state. Its expensive. But it is beautiful. Nice to visit.
you from around here?...I visit Santa Fe, take the tourists up there...and I always see my buddies at Evangelo's...coolest wooden bar in the world, and he is a huge Stones fan....but our plaza puts theirs to shame as I'm wont to point out
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:25:53pm |
re: #464 Gus 802
Yeah. But they care about the working class.
//
No, they 'care'. They'll vote for policies that let them say they care, even while they regard actual working class people like something nasty they need to step over.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:25:59pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:26:05pm |
re: #475 Escaped Hillbilly
And most New Mexicans do not drive SUVs. Pickup trucks are the vehicle of choice for the kickers and low riders for the chicanos if they can afford them. Ordinary cars for most other folks. Back a few years ago the most common car was the duster.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:27:04pm |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:28:23pm |
re: #480 Escaped Hillbilly
And most New Mexicans do not drive SUVs. Pickup trucks are the vehicle of choice for the kickers and low riders for the chicanos if they can afford them. Ordinary cars for most other folks. Back a few years ago the most common car was the duster.
I drive a Jetta...I'm bad
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:28:25pm |
re: #478 Dark_Falcon
No, they 'care'. They'll vote for policies that let them say they care, even while they regard actual working class people like something nasty they need to step over.
Yep. They essentially vote for what we used to call Bandaid™ policies. I'd say more but then I'd have to put on my XXXL t-shirt. ;)
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:29:11pm |
re: #477 albusteve
Nope. I haven't lived there in more than ten years. My mom lives there now and therefore my eldest sister and her family, my younger sister and her family etc. Mom's the center of our social world. Historically our people hale from the mountains of Tennessee and Missouri (Irontown, Lesterville, New Madrid, Wrightsville, etc.) I'm an Army brat and don't call any place "home". Expect to change that when I retire. NM aint bad. But I think I'll be heading to FL.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:29:16pm |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:31:19pm |
re: #483 Gus 802
Yep. They essentially vote for what we used to call Bandaid™ policies. I'd say more but then I'd have to put on my XXXL t-shirt. ;)
these are a special sub type of liberal....monied and way to cool for you....I'm not lyin when I say they seem insecure, after living in happy go lucky ABQ where nobody gives a shit who you are
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:32:31pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:33:45pm |
re: #487 albusteve
these are a special sub type of liberal...monied and way to cool for you...I'm not lyin when I say they seem insecure, after living in happy go lucky ABQ where nobody gives a shit who you are
Sounds like my kind of place.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:34:26pm |
re: #485 Escaped Hillbilly
Nope. I haven't lived there in more than ten years. My mom lives there now and therefore my eldest sister and her family, my younger sister and her family etc. Mom's the center of our social world. Historically our people hale from the mountains of Tennessee and Missouri (Irontown, Lesterville, New Madrid, Wrightsville, etc.) I'm an Army brat and don't call any place "home". Expect to change that when I retire. NM aint bad. But I think I'll be heading to FL.
I love it here, there is no other place quite like it....I dig the solitude out on the mesa's where I can drive fast, burn one and groove to the music and the spectacular scenery, all alone
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:35:23pm |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:36:55pm |
re: #489 Varek Raith
Sounds like my kind of place.
it's true...the vibe here is perfectly honest and forgiving, polite and friendly....ask anyone who knows, we are all of one nest down here
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:37:14pm |
re: #487 albusteve
these are a special sub type of liberal...monied and way to cool for you...I'm not lyin when I say they seem insecure, after living in happy go lucky ABQ where nobody gives a shit who you are
I also visited the New Mexico Museum of Art in Santa Fe. You know, I can paint and draw in my sleep (in mixed medium). That is, "I could have been a contender". Still, art museums have the same effect on me. Too damn anal. There seems to be a correlation between anal retentiveness and the range between abstract art and realism. The more you head towards realism the less anal the art world becomes.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:37:47pm |
re: #483 Gus 802
Yep. They essentially vote for what we used to call Bandaid™ policies. I'd say more but then I'd have to put on my XXXL t-shirt. ;)
It would be fun to see you walk up to a limousine leftie like that with your "saying more" on that shirt. Though you cleaning bill following the head explosion would be high. Brains stain.
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:37:56pm |
Which is because people tend to make up with their ego with what they lack in talent.
//Kaboom!
//
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:38:11pm |
re: #493 Gus 802
I also visited the New Mexico Museum of Art in Santa Fe. You know, I can paint and draw in my sleep (in mixed medium). That is, "I could have been a contender". Still, art museums have the same effect on me. Too damn anal. There seems to be a correlation between anal retentiveness and the range between abstract art and realism. The more you head towards realism the less anal the art world becomes.
I knew there was something I liked about you.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:39:25pm |
re: #458 Gus 802
I meant that it reminded me of Boulder. I can't even go into a Whole Foods without getting brain freeze. Very upper middle class and if you're not wearing new clothing from North Face or REI they treat you like "the help".
"Do you work here?"
This is why I live in Southeast Portland. Every other car is a rusting Volvo 240, every other person is a streetrat in a hoodie, everyone is drunk and poor and happy :D I've never seen so many death metal t-shirts on people in public in my life.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:40:01pm |
re: #494 Dark_Falcon
It would be fun to see you walk up to a limousine leftie like that with your "saying more" on that shirt. Though you cleaning bill following the head explosion would be high. Brains stain.
man, you really have no experience like i do with limousine lefties. I have a few as clients
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:41:06pm |
re: #493 Gus 802
I also visited the New Mexico Museum of Art in Santa Fe. You know, I can paint and draw in my sleep (in mixed medium). That is, "I could have been a contender". Still, art museums have the same effect on me. Too damn anal. There seems to be a correlation between anal retentiveness and the range between abstract art and realism. The more you head towards realism the less anal the art world becomes.
Where do HG Giger, Roger Dean, Robert Venosa, Salvador Dali fall on this continuum? :D
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:41:09pm |
re: #493 Gus 802
I also visited the New Mexico Museum of Art in Santa Fe. You know, I can paint and draw in my sleep (in mixed medium). That is, "I could have been a contender". Still, art museums have the same effect on me. Too damn anal. There seems to be a correlation between anal retentiveness and the range between abstract art and realism. The more you head towards realism the less anal the art world becomes.
my taste is simple....the folk art here knocks me out....I'm not much for trying to get into an artists head to try and figure out what I'm looking at....I'm into what I see and the technique that got it there
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:41:13pm |
re: #491 albusteve
you're thinking of DeKalb, Arizona...maybe not
No, I've been through Peoria with my family on our way to visit my mother's (since departed) stepmother and (still very much alive) sister in Sun City. It's a clearly a suburb.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:41:45pm |
re: #493 Gus 802
I have a theory about that: The less obvious it is that you actually have talent and can paint, draw, or sculpt the more you have to prove it through axilliary actions. Same applies to other forms of art and endeavors. Great chefs can work in any restaurant and serve plain meat and potatoes in a way that will make you beg for more. Pretentious no-talents can be found in the fanciest restaurants building pyramids out of crinkle cut vegetables topped with caviar.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:42:36pm |
re: #500 albusteve
my taste is simple...the folk art here knocks me out...I'm not much for trying to get into an artists head to try and figure out what I'm looking at...I'm into what I see and the technique that got it there
I'm pretty much the same way, my favorite stuff is visionary psychedelic art, rock poster art, and figure painting. No trying to psychoanalyze the artist required, the personality is fired out at high velocity all over the painting, the subject matter, the technique, the colors...
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:42:56pm |
re: #501 Dark_Falcon
No, I've been through Peoria with my family on our way to visit my mother's (since departed) stepmother and (still very much alive) sister in Sun City. It's a clearly a suburb.
I made that up....DE Kalb is another corny town
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:43:04pm |
re: #503 Escaped Hillbilly
I have a theory about that: The less obvious it is that you actually have talent and can paint, draw, or sculpt the more you have to prove it through axilliary actions. Same applies to other forms of art and endeavors. Great chefs can work in any restaurant and serve plain meat and potatoes in a way that will make you beg for more. Pretentious no-talents can be found in the fanciest restaurants building pyramids out of crinkle cut vegetables topped with caviar.
I agree, except for rock and roll. Sometimes three chords really are all you need :D
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:43:08pm |
re: #498 WindUpBird
man, you really have no experience like i do with limousine lefties. I have a few as clients
I've known many in my time working in Northbrook and Deerfield (both North Shore towns). But I don't discuss politics with them.
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:43:14pm |
re: #499 WindUpBird
Where do HG Giger, Roger Dean, Robert Venosa, Salvador Dali fall on this continuum? :D
Oh. Well, those guys are on a different plane. Can't say I ever interacted with those folks.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:44:28pm |
re: #508 Gus 802
Oh. Well, those guys are on a different plane. Can't say I ever interacted with those folks.
None of us have *_*
I'm really at my core into wizardly skills used for intensely personal ends. I can get into some abstract art, but it's still careful, intensely detailed stuff that stands on its own
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:44:51pm |
good heavy metal = wizardly skills used for intensely personal ends
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:44:58pm |
re: #504 WindUpBird
I'm pretty much the same way, my favorite stuff is visionary psychedelic art, rock poster art, and figure painting. No trying to psychoanalyze the artist required, the personality is fired out at high velocity all over the painting, the subject matter, the technique, the colors...
I do get into technique, materials, brushes etc....like, how did they DO that?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:45:58pm |
re: #505 albusteve
I made that up...DE Kalb is another corny town
Hell Steve, with these new "neighborhood farms" they grow corn in Chicago these days.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:46:56pm |
re: #506 WindUpBird
Ah, but I didn't say great artists didn't ever use the techniques and methods of the pretentiouis a-hole. Just that if your talent isn't known or obvious, you gotta show out. You can play three chords and make good music. Or you can play more and make good music. Only a pretentious a-hole needs a whole orchestra and an electric light show to support his lack of talent. I love Kiss, Alice Cooper, all the showmen. But they also have talent. They have all also put out acoustic songs and done things outside their comfort zone. The all show acts die when people realize that's all they got.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:47:03pm |
re: #506 WindUpBird
I agree, except for rock and roll. Sometimes three chords really are all you need :D
good point
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:47:57pm |
re: #511 albusteve
I do get into technique, materials, brushes etc...like, how did they DO that?
I even know how they do it, it doesn't take away the mystery, it's like an opera singer, I just throw up my hands and go FUCK I could paint oils my entire life and not even sniff that level of skill
like this guy: Image: l_e2ca9de5e076e188a28284aaf9e3a558.jpg
You'd probably recognize him from the fact that he did the Santana logo: [Link: www.venosa.com...]
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:48:25pm |
re: #512 Dark_Falcon
Hell Steve, with these new "neighborhood farms" they grow corn in Chicago these days.
Detroit is considering that very idea, and they should
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:48:30pm |
re: #513 Escaped Hillbilly
Ah, but I didn't say great artists didn't ever use the techniques and methods of the pretentiouis a-hole. Just that if your talent isn't known or obvious, you gotta show out. You can play three chords and make good music. Or you can play more and make good music. Only a pretentious a-hole needs a whole orchestra and an electric light show to support his lack of talent. I love Kiss, Alice Cooper, all the showmen. But they also have talent. They have all also put out acoustic songs and done things outside their comfort zone. The all show acts die when people realize that's all they got.
we're on the same page :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:50:22pm |
re: #513 Escaped Hillbilly
strangely enough GWAR is actually a band that looks like they're all show, actually incredibly talented and versatile artists
Just...also have a depraved live show :D
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:51:15pm |
re: #518 WindUpBird
strangely enough GWAR is actually a band that looks like they're all show, actually incredibly talented and versatile artists
Just...also have a depraved live show :D
Nice. And I don't get out often enough any more. I have to rely on second hand info.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:51:52pm |
re: #516 albusteve
Detroit is considering that very idea, and they should
It's a workable idea. Not sure about the soil though. Most of the soil in Illinois favors corn and soybeans. People do also grow some vegetables, but even with Chicago itself, corn tends to loom large. Literally in August, when the corn stalks are a good bit taller than a person.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:53:17pm |
re: #518 WindUpBird
strangely enough GWAR is actually a band that looks like they're all show, actually incredibly talented and versatile artists
Just...also have a depraved live show :D
Is it really as horrid as I've heard? I hear they've actually thrown urine on the crowd.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:54:23pm |
Ah well. I got a half day off and I'm not gonna waste it sitting here. I'll see ya'll later.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 1, 2011 10:54:53pm |
re: #520 Dark_Falcon
It's a workable idea. Not sure about the soil though. Most of the soil in Illinois favors corn and soybeans. People do also grow some vegetables, but even with Chicago itself, corn tends to loom large. Literally in August, when the corn stalks are a good bit taller than a person.
as for Detroit, they are taking down entire neighborhoods....lots of open, green space will result for growing stuff
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Gus Sat, Jan 1, 2011 11:11:58pm |
Ugh. Everyone split. I haven't had a drink in the previous two days until tonight and just ran out of booze right in the middle of my kvetching.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Jan 1, 2011 11:22:57pm |
re: #521 Dark_Falcon
Is it really as horrid as I've heard? I hear they've actually thrown urine on the crowd.
it's fake dude ;-) They make foam costumes, write comic books, and spray what amounts to water and food coloring out of their latex engineered phalluses and the beheaded stumps of the characters they decapitate on stage. it's not punks, it's nerds. No bodily fluids, just awesome music and zany vulgar costumes.
When I saw them live first it was 1992, election year, so of course during one of the songs they dismembered a foam caricature Bush Sr (basically it's a guy in a costume witha fake head and breakaway limbs wired up to spray fake blood) then Bill Clinton, then the Pope. I'm not sure why the Pope, but it was pretty funny!
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