New York Times Paywallocalypse

Charging for online access - the wave of the future?
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The New York Times is putting a $15/month paywall around their website, starting March 28th. I say more power to them if they think they can make this approach profitable.

I note that the Times says links from Facebook, Twitter, Google, and blogs will still show the full article, which is a decent way to mitigate the inherent unlinkishness of paywalls. But I also note that they don’t say how they’re determining what a “blog” is, and which sites will qualify for that designation.

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1 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:32:11pm
to mitigate the inherent unlinkishness of paywalls

That one is rotating already...in my mind....

2 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:36:30pm

I know The Wall Street Journal charges for online access. I usually combine my paper subscription with my online access.

3 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:42:11pm
Not all visits to NYTimes.com will count toward the 20-article limit. In an effort to reduce losses among the Web site’s more than 30 million monthly readers, The Times will allow access to people who arrive at its Web site through search engines like Google and social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter. There will, however, be a five-article limit a day for people who visit the site from Google.


Uhhh...it's not gonna work. Find an article you want to read, google the title and read it for free, It also seems their business model is to punish people who go to the NYT and browse around their site. People who arrive from google of blogs get the same content for free.

4 jaunte  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:43:01pm

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

NYT Saturday-Sunday print subscription is $12.60, and comes with all digital access. That seems to be the low price option.

5 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:45:35pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

Uhhh...it's not gonna work. Find an article you want to read, google the title and read it for free, It also seems their business model is to punish people who go to the NYT and browse around their site. People who arrive from google of blogs get the same content for free.

They'll be changing these policies, guaranteed. Either it'll all be free, or there will be no access without paying. You're right - they're punishing the very people who want to be there, and those are who they should want have access. Sheesh. They haven't thought this through.

6 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:45:38pm

re: #4 jaunte
One year subscription to The Wall Street Journal newspaper Monday-Saturday and 24 hour online access $476. That is cheaper than The Philadelphia Inquirer on a yearly basis.

7 BishopX  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:46:51pm

re: #4 jaunte


That's what I get.

8 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:47:17pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

Uhhh...it's not gonna work. Find an article you want to read, google the title and read it for free, It also seems their business model is to punish people who go to the NYT and browse around their site. People who arrive from google of blogs get the same content for free.

Not really, though, because even though you can click through to an article from a blog, you can't then look at any other NYT content -- related links, etc.

I'm skeptical whether this can work, but I do understand the reasons for doing it.

9 jordash1212  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:49:17pm

It's no secret that newspapers are hurting. One problem is the migration away from having a newspaper delivered in favor of internet and TV sources. I prefer having the actual newspaper delivered, and as part of the subscription NyTimes has given me full access to their website.

Eventually, I think newspapers will become popular again once people get sick of the rampant bias, dishonesty, and pseudo-journalism common in many blogs, other online sources, and the news entertainment industry. In the mean time, I hope NyTimes and other respectable journals and newspapers maintain their integrity and productivity.

10 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:51:00pm

Do news sources get a cut of the ad revenue the referrers get? Probably not, but that would sound fair to me.

11 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:51:11pm

re: #9 jordash1212

It's no secret that newspapers are hurting. One problem is the migration away from having a newspaper delivered in favor of internet and TV sources. I prefer having the actual newspaper delivered, and as part of the subscription NyTimes has given me full access to their website.

Eventually, I think newspapers will become popular again once people get sick of the rampant bias, dishonesty, and pseudo-journalism common in many blogs, other online sources, and the news entertainment industry. In the mean time, I hope NyTimes and other respectable journals and newspapers maintain their integrity and productivity.

I still get our local paper, because they're local coverage is in depth, not just the quick 15 or 30 second bits you get on the TV news. And nobody covers our legislature better, IMO.

12 Lidanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:53:07pm

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

I know The Wall Street Journal charges for online access. I usually combine my paper subscription with my online access.

I have the WSJ Online for grad school. It's handy.

The difference, I think, is that the WSJ started with limited free access and put everything behind a paywall from the start. The NYT's been free for far too long. Trying to hide behind a paywall now is a recipe for failure.

13 recusancy  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:53:14pm

Readability is the future for content creators.

14 jordash1212  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:53:54pm

re: #11 reine.de.tout

Thankfully, our local newspaper still allows full article viewing, so that's helpful to figure out what's going in locally. Otherwise, the Star Tribune is fish wrap for national and international news.

15 albusteve  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:53:58pm

the old Grey Lady is on the ropes....years of misrepresentation and stroking the bad guys has taken it's toll....be fine with me if they folded

16 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:54:45pm

re: #15 albusteve

the old Grey Lady is on the ropes...years of misrepresentation and stroking the bad guys has taken it's toll...be fine with me if they folded

I doubt this has anything to do with their slant, Steve.

17 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:55:26pm

re: #12 Lidane
I know. I got "hooked" on WSJ in college. I still cannot break that habit.

18 Lidanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:56:04pm

re: #15 albusteve

The failures have fuck all to do with their editorial slant and everything to do with the fact that newspapers in general are failing due to the internet. Why buy a daily paper when you can just read it online?

19 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:56:10pm

re: #17 PhillyPretzel

I know. I got "hooked" on WSJ in college. I still cannot break that habit.

Almost like the WSJ planned it that way.//

20 ozbloke  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:56:29pm

The NYT may find a piece of market share, but I guess it will be nowhere near what they had.
That in turn may effect their ability to draw advertisers.

I can not seeing it being a winner without other major media outlets jumping on board.

21 albusteve  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:56:33pm

re: #16 JasonA

I doubt this has anything to do with their slant, Steve.

of course not...readership just crashed for no apparent reason, and their stock value is a mystery

22 Lidanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:58:04pm

re: #21 albusteve

.readership just crashed for no apparent reason

That reason is called the internet. Newspapers and magazines have been in decline for the better part of a decade now, just like terrestrial radio. Old media is dying.

23 jordash1212  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:58:09pm

Does WSJ let you all articles fully if you google the title? That worked for me for a few articles I was assigned to read. Is that the idea for the NyTimes' paywall?

24 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:58:37pm

One of the main reasons why I get The Wall Street Journal delivered by USPS is that I will get my mail. The local post office is not good. :(

25 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 5:59:43pm

re: #23 jordash1212
Honestly I do not know. I know when I am not signed in I cannot read some articles.

26 Linden Arden  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:00:02pm

re: #6 PhillyPretzel

The WSJ is a strange animal. The financial news is first-rate but I found the online service flyonthewall.com more valuable. But then that service was found to operate illegally.

I like thousands of little bursts of info - but then I am a trader.

27 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:00:13pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

Uhhh...it's not gonna work. Find an article you want to read, google the title and read it for free, It also seems their business model is to punish people who go to the NYT and browse around their site. People who arrive from google of blogs get the same content for free.

My poor elderly auntie.

28 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:00:37pm

Off-topic tech note - the retweet counters on our front page posts are now cached, to make page loading faster. Previously, those counters were updated every time the page loaded, by calling the external bit.ly API to get the post's statistics. Now, they're only updated at 90-second intervals (to keep the results reasonably fresh).

The visible result is that the Twitter counters at right of each post's title should appear much, much faster.

29 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:01:04pm

Some Tweets from NYT journalist Nick Kristof, in reverse order:

Nicholas Kristof

Hmm. And I'm starting a pay model for my Twitter feed, too. But you get free access to my first 10,000 tweets a month!
7 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
»
Nicholas Kristof

Readers are invited to comment on the new @NYTimes pay model on my FB page: [Link: www.facebook.com...] . Join the conversation!
7 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
»
Nicholas Kristof

I used to oppose news pay walls. But I concluded that free won't pay the bills. Let's hope this business model sings!

30 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:01:18pm

But full access for $420 per year?

Seems to me that anyone who wants to pay that either has business reasons or is one of those billionaires we read about.

What does a paper subscription cost?

31 garhighway  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:01:29pm

re: #4 jaunte

NYT Saturday-Sunday print subscription is $12.60, and comes with all digital access. That seems to be the low price option.

That's what I do.

32 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:01:52pm

re: #15 albusteve

the old Grey Lady is on the ropes...years of misrepresentation and stroking the bad guys has taken it's toll...be fine with me if they folded

Aren't you happy they never said TORTURE? They are on your team.

33 Lidanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:04:11pm

re: #30 Naso Tang

It doesn't matter what it costs. Most people won't pay it. You can't give millions of people access to your content for free for years on end, then turn around and start charging them for it.

There are far too many other sources for free online news out there that people will just remove the NYT from their bookmarks and go elsewhere. Putting everything behind a paywall is stupid and will fail, just like it did when they tried putting their editorials behind a paywall.

34 garhighway  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:04:14pm

re: #21 albusteve

of course not...readership just crashed for no apparent reason, and their stock value is a mystery

Are you seriously suggesting that the entire newspaper business hasn't been experiencing this? That declining circulation is a condition unique to NYT?

35 Linden Arden  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:04:19pm

re: #15 albusteve

the old Grey Lady is on the ropes...years of misrepresentation and stroking the bad guys has taken it's toll...be fine with me if they folded

On the ropes?

$9 stock that will earn .71c per share going forward?

Don't hold your breath on a "fold".

36 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:05:55pm

Dallas Morning Snews just went to $30 month to view. Hello Fort Worth Star Telegram.

37 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:06:10pm
The Times scheme allows readers 20 free stories per month before they have to pay. However, if you come in via Twitter or Facebook, reading the story doesn't count against your total. So, cheapskates, meet @freenyt, a three-hour old Twitter feed that intends to tweet all the Times stories.
38 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:07:11pm

re: #33 Lidane

It doesn't matter what it costs. Most people won't pay it. You can't give millions of people access to your content for free for years on end, then turn around and start charging them for it.

There are far too many other sources for free online news out there that people will just remove the NYT from their bookmarks and go elsewhere. Putting everything behind a paywall is stupid and will fail, just like it did when they tried putting their editorials behind a paywall.

I was a daily paper reader. Black fingers & all. Now I hit the internet first thing.

I miss the bullshit local stuff - the crime etc.

But I definitely miss the comics and dear Abby. Oh well.

39 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:08:20pm

re: #36 The Shadow Do

Dallas Morning Snews just went to $30 month to view. Hello Fort Worth Star Telegram.

The ghost of Amon Carter laughs and laughs and laughs and laughs....

Carter's disdain for Dallas, Fort Worth's much larger and much richer neighbor, was legendary in Texas. One of the best-known stories about Carter is that he would take a sack lunch whenever he traveled to Dallas so he wouldn't have to spend any money there. Another took place at a ceremony at the county line between Tarrant and Dallas counties to officially bury the hatchet on the rivalry between the two cities. Carter and other leaders from both Fort Worth and Dallas were each presented with hatchets and shovels to bury them with. As the ceremony was wrapping up, a young reporter mentioned to Carter that the handle of his hatchet was still sticking out of the ground, to which Carter replied that he was well aware and that he might need his hatchet later.

40 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:08:51pm

They've tried this road twice before, and each time they've not only had to drop the pay access, but their readership has declined in each instance.

Kristof and the other op-ed's were behind the Times last paywall attempt - Times Select, and their readership dropped off a cliff.

Their current attempt to get subscriptions is to charge after 20 article reads a month (excluding latest news?).

They're going to charge the folks who drive traffic to their site with blogs - which seems counterproductive. After all, the people blogging are the same people who are avid readers and are bringing news stories to the attention of others.

41 recusancy  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:09:30pm

re: #39 negativ

The ghost of Amon Carter laughs and laughs and laughs and laughs...

I have about the same affection for that city.

42 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:09:40pm

re: #39 negativ

Makes me laugh too!

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:10:51pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

I was a daily paper reader. Black fingers & all. Now I hit the internet first thing.

I miss the bullshit local stuff - the crime etc.

But I definitely miss the comics and dear Abby. Oh well.

you can get comics on the internet too, you know :D

(plug of my friend's webcomic: [Link: dawnchapel.com...]

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:11:48pm

re: #43 WindUpBird

whoops, errant parenthesis: [Link: dawnchapel.com...]

45 garhighway  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:12:21pm

I'm out. See y'all.

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:12:33pm

re: #21 albusteve

of course not...readership just crashed for no apparent reason, and their stock value is a mystery

we actually have lost newspapers outright in the northwest recently, gone, absorbed, it ain't just the NYT

47 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:13:20pm

RIP: Seattle Post Intelligencer, the actual good Seattle paper

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:14:09pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

But I definitely miss the comics and dear Abby. Oh well.

Signed, Bewildered

49 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:14:50pm

re: #11 reine.de.tout

At least you have a paper with truly local focus. The LA Times (and perhaps LA itself) is just too big and broad for that sort of thing.

50 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:15:10pm

Last time I read about a newspaper going paywall, it was an article saying how its online readership tanked.

51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:15:59pm

If it weren't for the Sunday Crossword Puzzles, I'd never touch a newspaper again.

52 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:16:01pm

Image: 51e5ea4a-cc5a-4e33-9066-f46ac1c63cc6.jpg

Later, lizards.

53 darthstar  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:16:54pm

I'll gladly pay $15 a month for the NY Times so I can read Gail Collins twice a week...wait a minute...no I won't. Love you, Gail, but I'll have to find pirate copies of your articles going forward.

54 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:17:56pm

re: #53 darthstar

I'll gladly pay $15 a month for the NY Times so I can read Gail Collins twice a week...wait a minute...no I won't. Love you, Gail, but I'll have to find pirate copies of your articles going forward.

hahaha they'll have them all up on torrents next to seasons of Firefly

55 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:18:07pm

Wait, Nate Silver is blogging at the NYT now. Is he going to be locked up by this?

56 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:18:12pm

re: #33 Lidane

It doesn't matter what it costs. Most people won't pay it. You can't give millions of people access to your content for free for years on end, then turn around and start charging them for it.

There are far too many other sources for free online news out there that people will just remove the NYT from their bookmarks and go elsewhere. Putting everything behind a paywall is stupid and will fail, just like it did when they tried putting their editorials behind a paywall.

It does matter what it costs. I buy $0.99 books for Kindle often, that I would never pay full price for. That way I can have 5 or 6 going at one time, depending on mood.

Somehow it seems to me an online access should be less than a print one, unless the print really is more than $35 per month. If they want readers it should be $9.99 per month, or less.

Long Tail, The, Revised and Updated Edition: Why the Future of Business is Selling Less of More

57 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:19:30pm

And seriously, if NYT publishes an article worth reading, how many other authors are going to be quoting passages in dozens of separate articles around the web outside the paywall?

58 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:20:04pm

OT: Rainbow in Portlandia (look east)

59 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:20:55pm

Thing is, we're using a technology that is changing human civilization in a way every bit as profound as printing press. Side note: this may actually be in our genes - spiders build webs, beavers build dams, we build communication systems.

We now have nearly-instantaneous (mostly) world-wide communication. The internet has been used to organize and facilitate revolutions, and attempts thereof. We can get news in real-time, as virtual eye-witnesses. It's up to us to make sense of it.

Unless someone is a pathologically huge fan of a particular newspaper, I can't begin to figure out why anyone would pay a huge subscription fee to only get their version of reality.

60 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:21:04pm

re: #55 Conservative Moonbat

Good question - and a better one is whether he knew or had reason to know that he'd end up behind a paywall when he signed on to work with them.

61 recusancy  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:21:31pm

re: #56 Naso Tang

It does matter what it costs. I buy $0.99 books for Kindle often, that I would never pay full price for. That way I can have 5 or 6 going at one time, depending on mood.

Somehow it seems to me an online access should be less than a print one, unless the print really is more than $35 per month. If they want readers it should be $9.99 per month, or less.

Long Tail, The, Revised and Updated Edition: Why the Future of Business is Selling Less of More

Ironically you can't get that revised version on kindle.

62 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:24:27pm

Evening lizards!

I'm watching a really good interview with Benjamin Netanyahu on CNN right now.

63 Linden Arden  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:26:51pm

Just did my obligatory flip to Fox News and Hannity - what gibberish. Newt was on blasting the "Carteresque" President.

Cut to Intrade where opinions are worthless and only money talks.

Obama 61%
Romney 11%
Pawlenty 6%
Daniels 5%
Huckabee 1%
Gingrich 1%
Palin - no bid.

(all to win, $1100 on Romney grosses $10,000.)

I am glad I am not the only one who thinks Gingrich is a pontificating lying asshole.

64 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:27:14pm

re: #62 NJDhockeyfan
Are they treating Bibi decently or ripping him apart?

65 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:27:47pm

re: #40 lawhawk

Further thoughts.

I'm probably in their target demo - I'm a regular Times user and post articles/blog about their stuff. What would I do when faced with either a steep cost to buy access to their content? I'll go somewhere else.

I have a smartphone, and I now tweet regularly. The Times makes it really easy to do so. What do they think that those tweets will do - except drive more people to their articles? If they charge for access, I'll go elsewhere as a prime news source for blogging or tweeting - and i've already started using news sources that I hadn't previously precisely because of their availability and ease of use for things like tweeting and blogging. Make it cost and/or more difficult, and people will go elsewhere.

And from a tech side - what does that mean to the tracking cookies that they'll be using. They're going to be even more comprehensive than they already are.

66 recusancy  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:27:53pm

re: #55 Conservative Moonbat

Wait, Nate Silver is blogging at the NYT now. Is he going to be locked up by this?

Just add him to your twitter feed. I have krugman on mine and he tweets every time he writes a new blog post. When you click through from twitter you'll be able to view 5 free articles on top of that one.

67 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:28:52pm

re: #64 PhillyPretzel

Are they treating Bibi decently or ripping him apart?

Piers Morgan is letting him do most of the talking. It's pretty good so far.

68 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:29:43pm

re: #66 recusancy

Just add him to your twitter feed. I have krugman on mine and he tweets every time he writes a new blog post. When you click through from twitter you'll be able to view 5 free articles on top of that one.

I hate twitter.

69 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:29:57pm

re: #67 NJDhockeyfan
Okay. I have no idea who Piers Morgan is. I do not have cable.

70 Lidanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:30:15pm

re: #56 Naso Tang

It does matter what it costs. I buy $0.99 books for Kindle often, that I would never pay full price for. That way I can have 5 or 6 going at one time, depending on mood.

You're looking at this exactly backwards.

If a book costs $7.99 in paperback and $19.99 in hardcover, but only $.99 for the Kindle version, I could see buying the Kindle version because of the lower entry barrier and because, like you said, you can have several books going on at once without much investment. But here's what you're missing -- the books already have a price point.

The NYT, on the other hand, has offered all of its content online for FREE for years. Now they're wanting to charge a full $15 a month for it. They're going from zero to a monthly fee. You can't do that and expect people to play along. They'll just find another free source of news rather than pay the money. There are, after all, plenty of options for free news, and from major, comparable sources to the NYT. That's the point. Few, if any, people will go from getting something at will for free to paying a premium for the same content, especially when they have other options.

71 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:30:26pm

I have yet to find a newspaper worth paying to read their news. There are so many other places to get the latest news why pay for it?

72 darthstar  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:30:29pm

re: #63 Linden Arden

Palin is a 'no bid' because even gamblers know a sucker bet when they see one.

73 recusancy  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:30:49pm

re: #68 Conservative Moonbat

I hate twitter.

Than him to your google reader then.

74 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:31:09pm

re: #61 recusancy

Ironically you can't get that revised version on kindle.

I guess mine is not revised. Hard copy Xmas present a few years ago from my very smart daughter; but to be perfectly honest about it, the ideas are good, but they don't need a whole book to describe. At least that's how I remember it.

75 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:31:23pm

re: #54 WindUpBird

hahaha they'll have them all up on torrents next to seasons of Firefly

This is an appropriate comment, as Firefly only had one season, and was ruined by what may be Fox's most epic fail ever. They aired episodes out of order, put it in a stupid timeslot, and all sorts of other things. They could have had another long-running series as successful as The X-Files, but no.

Aside from that, everyone who cares already has all the Firefly episodes and so there's no need for torrents. =)

76 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:31:51pm

re: #69 PhillyPretzel

Okay. I have no idea who Piers Morgan is. I do not have cable.

To tell you the truth I never heard of him either until a half hour ago when I saw Bibi talking.

77 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:32:35pm

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan
Good. I am not the only one. :)

78 recusancy  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:32:40pm

re: #74 Naso Tang

I guess mine is not revised. Hard copy Xmas present a few years ago from my very smart daughter; but to be perfectly honest about it, the ideas are good, but they don't need a whole book to describe. At least that's how I remember it.

He was on Colbert and I got the jist of it from that. Actually the title of the book kind of summarizes his whole point.

79 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:33:15pm

re: #70 Lidane

You're looking at this exactly backwards.

I guess we are both backwards then, since I agree with you.

80 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:33:54pm

re: #77 PhillyPretzel

Good. I am not the only one. :)

He's talking about the brutal murder of an Israeli family by Palis right now.

81 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:34:28pm

re: #80 NJDhockeyfan
Bibi? or Morgan?

82 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:34:49pm

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

To tell you the truth I never heard of him either until a half hour ago when I saw Bibi talking.

He's one of those Brit accents that the marketing people think Americans are turned on by.

Not sure, but didn't he replace that flake, Larry King?

83 recusancy  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:35:37pm

re: #82 Naso Tang

He's one of those Brit accents that the marketing people think Americans are turned on by.

Not sure, but didn't he replace that flake, Larry King?

He's a celebrity interviewer like Larry was.

84 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:36:06pm

re: #81 PhillyPretzel

Bibi? or Morgan?

Bibi. Morgan asks him a question and is letting Bibi talk as long as he wants to answer.

85 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:36:30pm

re: #69 PhillyPretzel

Okay. I have no idea who Piers Morgan is. I do not have cable.

Remember the infamous Susan Boyle video? He was the judge who wasn't a woman or Simon Cowell :)

86 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:36:43pm

re: #84 NJDhockeyfan
I understand.

87 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:37:22pm

re: #83 recusancy

He's a celebrity interviewer like Larry was.

He's at least asking great questions unlike King who made me scratch my head at some of the questions he'd ask.

88 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:37:49pm

re: #83 recusancy

He's a celebrity interviewer like Larry was.

Yes, and the style is softly softly, and on a slow day bring on the psychics. I don't know if Piers is that wacked, yet but time will tell and Larry's audience seemed to like it.

89 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:38:07pm

re: #85 publicityStunted
I do not have cable. I do not watch a lot of broadcast TV.

90 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:38:09pm

re: #85 publicityStunted

Remember the infamous Susan Boyle video? He was the judge who wasn't a woman or Simon Cowell :)

That's him? I knew I saw him somewhere. I thought it was the guy from Star Trek.

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:38:58pm

re: #89 PhillyPretzel

I do. I love TV.

92 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:39:12pm

re: #89 PhillyPretzel

I do not have cable. I do not watch a lot of broadcast TV.

You ain't missing nothing. Well, V is pretty good but the rest sucks.

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:39:44pm

re: #54 WindUpBird

re: #89 PhillyPretzel

I do not have cable. I do not watch a lot of broadcast TV.

it's all about HBO and cable

94 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:40:03pm

re: #85 publicityStunted
Who the heck is Simon Cowell? Is he the nit wit who picks on folks who sing who hope to get a recording contract from the said nit wit.

95 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:40:12pm

re: #93 WindUpBird

re: #89 PhillyPretzel

it's all about HBO and cable

I don't have HBO.

96 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:40:51pm

re: #92 NJDhockeyfan

You ain't missing nothing. Well, V is pretty good but the rest sucks.

V sucks. The original was better. Firefly is cool.

97 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:40:53pm

re: #94 PhillyPretzel

Who the heck is Simon Cowell? Is he the nit wit who picks on folks who sing who hope to get a recording contract from the said nit wit.

He's gone from that show. I think he's starting a new show but I forgot what it is.

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:41:24pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

I don't have HBO.

Well, everything they do that's good ends up on DVD anyway, Rome, The Wire, Band of Brothers, Deadwood, Carnivale

99 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:41:49pm

re: #68 Conservative Moonbat

I hate twitter.

I did too until I figured out who was worth following and who wasn't. Now, it's the fist thing I check in the morning to find out wtf happened while I was asleep. I think of it as an aggregator.

However, I refuse to use the word "tweet" as either a noun or a verb. That's the most ridiculous crap ever.

Still won't use Facebook, however. All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't make me.

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:41:51pm

re: #97 NJDhockeyfan

Dream Killer?
The Realist?
You Suck?

101 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:41:54pm

re: #96 Naso Tang

V sucks. The original was better. Firefly is cool.

I'm so into V right now. The original was excellent to but this one is very addictive.

102 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:42:34pm

re: #97 NJDhockeyfan

He's gone from that show. I think he's starting a new show but I forgot what it is.

Maybe he'll run for president? Join the TV crowd and all that. Where was he born again?

103 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:42:39pm

I rather be here at Little Green Footballs instead of watching the tube. This is far more interesting.

104 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:42:47pm

re: #96 Naso Tang

V sucks. The original was better. Firefly is cool.

SUNGLASSES

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:43:33pm

re: #103 PhillyPretzel

I rather be here at Little Green Footballs instead of watching the tube. This is far more interesting.

LGF is great but it is not a thing I do by itself, I'm usually working or drawing or doing stuff in other windows as well

106 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:43:44pm

re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dream Killer?
The Realist?
You Suck?

I've been missing much TV since going back to work. I get a little news in the morning and some at night. Usually sports if there is a game worth watching.

107 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:45:00pm

re: #104 WindUpBird

SUNGLASSES

She's on this new series too.

108 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:45:17pm

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

To tell you the truth I never heard of him either until a half hour ago when I saw Bibi talking.

I hadn't heard of him either. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy says:

Piers Stefan Pughe-Morgan (born Piers Stefan O'Meara; 30 March 1965), known professionally as Piers Morgan, is an Irish journalist. He is a former editor of the tabloid newspapers News of the World (1994–1995) and Daily Mirror (1995–2004). He is editorial director of First News, a national newspaper for children.

Haw.

109 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:45:57pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

I'm so into V right now. The original was excellent to but this one is very addictive.

I just can't stay with constant conspiracy shows. I thought 24 was great for maybe 7 episodes until one figured out that the least likely traitor was the most likely one.

110 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:46:22pm

re: #101 NJDhockeyfan

I'm so into V right now. The original was excellent to but this one is very addictive.

re: #104 WindUpBird

SUNGLASSES

80's hair FTW

111 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:46:26pm

re: #108 negativ

I hadn't heard of him either. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy says:


Haw.

So that's what it's called now.

112 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:46:59pm

re: #109 Naso Tang

I just can't stay with constant conspiracy shows. I thought 24 was great for maybe 7 episodes until one figured out that the least likely traitor was the most likely one.

24 got SO AWFUL

Fringe! Fringe is a good show. it's more x-files and more weird/fun.

113 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:47:07pm

re: #109 Naso Tang

I just can't stay with constant conspiracy shows. I thought 24 was great for maybe 7 episodes until one figured out that the least likely traitor was the most likely one.

I got sick of them having a traitor every damn season.

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:48:04pm

re: #112 WindUpBird

I was done with 24 when Kim was facing off against a mountain lion, I like Keifer Sutherland but COME ON

115 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:48:06pm

re: #113 JasonA

I got sick of them having a traitor every damn season.

For a security agency, their background check procedures could have been a tad more robust.

116 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:48:06pm

re: #105 WindUpBird

LGF is great but it is not a thing I do by itself, I'm usually working or drawing or doing stuff in other windows as well

I can identify with that.

117 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:48:51pm

re: #116 b_sharp
Me too.

118 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:49:01pm

re: #113 JasonA

I got sick of them having a traitor every damn season.

hahaha WE INVOKED THE 25th AMENDMENT lolol

119 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:49:02pm

re: #109 Naso Tang

V lacks the power of the original with its parallels to the Holocaust. The new one just lacks something... and bringing back Diana couldn't save it.

120 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:49:32pm

re: #114 WindUpBird

I was done with 24 when Kim was facing off against a mountain lion, I like Keifer Sutherland but COME ON

Hoss killed a mountain lion with his bare hands.

121 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:49:54pm

re: #110 publicityStunted

re: #104 WindUpBird

80's hair FTW

Nice! She looks like she right out of a Mötley Crüe video.

122 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:49:55pm

re: #112 WindUpBird

I used to live blog 24... that ended after they nuked LA... and treated it as though it was little more than a traffic jam...

123 albusteve  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:50:03pm

V is for vodka....television was made for football

124 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:50:38pm

re: #112 WindUpBird

24 got SO AWFUL

Fringe! Fringe is a good show. it's more x-files and more weird/fun.

Fringe is a good show, but it's start to fall into the same hole that X-Files did, moving away from the "monster a week with overarching plot" and into the "long story arcs" that even Chris Carter was tired of towards the end. Not that the whole alternate universe idea is bad, but if they don't drop it after this season, I might stop watching.

125 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:51:44pm

re: #123 albusteve

V is for vodka...television was made for football

I can't ague with that. Add baseball and I will agree totally.

126 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:51:57pm

re: #96 Naso Tang

V sucks. The original was better. Firefly is cool.

I'm a real easy sell when it comes to sci-fi, but I have to agree that the "new" V is pretty bad. Although Morena Baccarin makes a very convincing sociopath (reptile) in the character "Anna". I think it's because no matter how warm and smiley Anna is being with her facial expressions, her eyes are cold.

The show I'm still pissed off about is Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It had kind of a clunky start (and a clunky title), but the latter two-thirds of season two started to get VERY interesting. The show was just finally finding its place, and then *poof*.

127 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:53:21pm

re: #126 negativ

Summer Glau is TV death.

See also: Dollhouse.

128 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:53:56pm

re: #122 lawhawk

I used to live blog 24... that ended after they nuked LA... and treated it as though it was little more than a traffic jam...

I never got into 24. I saw it once but that was it. I was into The Shield back then and never missed a show.

129 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:54:47pm

re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Fringe is a good show, but it's start to fall into the same hole that X-Files did, moving away from the "monster a week with overarching plot" and into the "long story arcs" that even Chris Carter was tired of towards the end. Not that the whole alternate universe idea is bad, but if they don't drop it after this season, I might stop watching.

Hah. I watched X-Files religiously specifically for the long story arcs, and got really annoyed with the monster-of-the-week episodes. I gave up around about season 6, though.

130 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:56:08pm

re: #126 negativ

I'm a real easy sell when it comes to sci-fi, but I have to agree that the "new" V is pretty bad. Although Morena Baccarin makes a very convincing sociopath (reptile) in the character "Anna". I think it's because no matter how warm and smiley Anna is being with her facial expressions, her eyes are cold.

The show I'm still pissed off about is Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It had kind of a clunky start (and a clunky title), but the latter two-thirds of season two started to get VERY interesting. The show was just finally finding its place, and then *poof*.

That was a great show. I was surprised it was canceled. I think they should have given it a better chance.

131 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:57:28pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

I never got into 24. I saw it once but that was it. I was into The Shield back then and never missed a show.

The Shield was great

132 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:57:31pm

On shows, my favorites have been the SciFi (is scyfy more clever? ).

SG1 is a classic with everything. Firefly has great stuff. Babylon 5 was good.

But I couldn't stand Battlestar Galactica. Just more conspiracy and double crossing, but in space. That one also had an original which was better, although primitive special effects.

133 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:57:37pm

re: #129 negativ

Hah. I watched X-Files religiously specifically for the long story arcs, and got really annoyed with the monster-of-the-week episodes. I gave up around about season 6, though.

You realize the only reason they ended up doing a story arc at all was Gillian Anderson got pregnant?

134 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:58:43pm

re: #127 JasonA

Summer Glau is TV death.

Seriously, there's no such thing as a 'Summer Glau Curse'.

If you don't read that, I'm going to force you to attend a Comic Con and then dismember you in the hotel bathtub afterwards.

135 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 6:59:11pm

re: #129 negativ

Hah. I watched X-Files religiously specifically for the long story arcs, and got really annoyed with the monster-of-the-week episodes. I gave up around about season 6, though.

See, I'm the exact opposite. I loved the monster-of-the-week episodes, mostly because of how creative they got with the stories. Some of the series best episodes, like "Home," were individual episodes that had the make the most of a 1 hour episode. The alien invasion arc was pretty good for awhile, but after the first movie, it started to become "How can we make this series more outrageous?," after which I just lost interest. When they brought in their "replacements," sending Scully off to play mama for awhile and "killing" Mulder, that was it for me.

136 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:01:24pm

re: #132 Naso Tang

Babylon 5... that was great sci-fi... I miss it and and the great character development on that show - such amazing writing, and the sfx was pretty good too.

Stargate SG-1 was mostly good... sometimes great... Atlantis was less so....and couldn't get into SG-U.

137 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:01:36pm

So totally off topic. Charles, are we going to get a button for high lightening a wing nut post similar to the other buttons or not? Inquiring minds want to know.

Yes, I know, I am being lazy.

138 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:02:07pm

re: #127 JasonA

Summer Glau is TV death.

See also: Dollhouse.

Summer Glau: the Ted McGinley of the 21st century ;-P

139 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:02:19pm

I still don't understand why they canceled Kolchak the Night Stalker,

140 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:02:25pm

re: #131 HoosierHoops

The Shield was great

A very well written show and they didn't just hire good looking people for the regular characters. Vic Mackey was a bad ass too.

141 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:02:32pm

re: #127 JasonA

Summer Glau is TV death.

See also: Dollhouse.

Can you repeat that???
Image: summer_glau_8.jpg

142 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:03:09pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

Can you repeat that???
Image: summer_glau_8.jpg

The Sarah Connor Chronicles

143 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:03:48pm

re: #142 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Sarah Connor Chronicles

Please, that would've been fail even without her.

144 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:04:00pm

re: #49 Rightwingconspirator

At least you have a paper with truly local focus. The LA Times (and perhaps LA itself) is just too big and broad for that sort of thing.

It's still a local and locally-owned newspaper, not part of some conglomerate. They carry national and international news of course, but they seem to have re-focused on really in-depth local coverage. They're hurting, like all newspapers are, but seem committed to trying to keep a useful news paper going.

145 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:04:37pm

re: #137 Bubblehead II

So totally off topic. Charles, are we going to get a button for high lightening a wing nut post similar to the other buttons or not? Inquiring minds want to know.

Yes, I know, I am being lazy.

Got anybody in mind?

146 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:04:59pm

Science Fiction + Alphabet channels = Canceled.
That genre rarely does well on them.

147 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:05:07pm

Hmm. I'm suddenly overwhelmed to go out and purchase at least the first 4 seasons of The X-Files on DVD.

148 albusteve  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:05:54pm

Gunsmoke was a pretty good show....I liked Festus and Doc together

149 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:05:57pm

re: #146 Varek Raith

Science Fiction + Alphabet channels = Canceled.
That genre rarely does well on them.

Star Trek did pretty well for a long while on UPN...up until Paramount invoked the ire of the fans for the final time...

150 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:06:43pm

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You realize the only reason they ended up doing a story arc at all was Gillian Anderson got pregnant?

Don't care. Deep Throat and Cancer Man remain among my favorite TV characters.

151 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:07:23pm

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I still don't understand why they canceled Kolchak the Night Stalker,

"Macheminido. Er, he was called a bear God, Charles, and I don't really know why since he was invisible. "
~ Jim Elkhorn

152 Lidanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:07:30pm

re: #147 negativ

Hmm. I'm suddenly overwhelmed to go out and purchase at least the first 4 seasons of The X-Files on DVD.

Heh. One of my professors and I got into a disagreement over the X-Files. He's a huge fanboy and considers it underrated. I was a massive fangirl back in the day, but after the first film, I lost interest.

I'm half tempted to borrow all his DVD's and watch the show again.

153 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:08:24pm

re: #152 Lidane

Heh. One of my professors and I got into a disagreement over the X-Files. He's a huge fanboy and considers it underrated. I was a massive fangirl back in the day, but after the first film, I lost interest.

I'm half tempted to borrow all his DVD's and watch the show again.

I loved it the first 4 or 5 seasons or so. Then...boom. It sucked.

154 Bear  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:08:57pm

re: #148 albusteve

The first couple seasons of Maverick were my favorite. Still remember the very first one, The War of The Silver Kings.

155 Bear  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:09:46pm

Sorry abt the double. Fat finger

156 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:09:58pm

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

A very well written show and they didn't just hire good looking people for the regular characters. Vic Mackey was a bad ass too.

Michael Chiklis did a lot of work go from The Commish to Vic Fuckin' Mackey...he definitely looked and sounded the part.

157 albusteve  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:10:07pm

re: #154 Bear

The first couple seasons of Maverick were my favorite. Still remember the very first one, The War of The Silver Kings.

Paladin Paladin
where do you roam?

158 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:10:33pm

re: #152 Lidane

Well, the FBI guy who blows up at the beginning? None other than Locke... from Lost....

159 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:10:54pm

What they need is a TV show following the adventures of the Paranormal Science department of Arkham University. You wouldn't even need a steady cast.

160 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:10:55pm

re: #154 Bear

The first couple seasons of Maverick were my favorite. Still remember the very first one, The War of The Silver Kings.

Nothing compares with the Andy Griffith Show.

161 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:11:43pm

re: #150 negativ

Don't care. Deep Throat and Cancer Man remain among my favorite TV characters.

Nameless extras in the rough drafts until they had to write in some filler.

162 albusteve  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:11:59pm

re: #160 b_sharp

Nothing compares with the Andy Griffith Show.

Green Acres
there was a pig for a character...
top that

163 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:12:45pm

re: #162 albusteve

Green Acres
there was a pig for a character...
top that

Leave it to Beaver.

164 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:14:29pm

Oh god, one of my dogs farted. I must open all the windows & doors.

165 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:14:51pm

M*A*S*H was great..Seinfield was really funny..Friends was pretty good sometimes..Early Cheers was great ( I liked Coach)

166 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:15:05pm

re: #152 Lidane

Heh. One of my professors and I got into a disagreement over the X-Files. He's a huge fanboy and considers it underrated. I was a massive fangirl back in the day, but after the first film, I lost interest.

I'm half tempted to borrow all his DVD's and watch the show again.

I hated the first film, never saw any subsequent ones.

But back when the show was on, I would have stone-cold shanked a mo-fo who tried to make me miss an episode.

167 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:15:06pm

If we are going to regress like this, I'll make a plug for The Lone Ranger.

168 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:15:10pm

There is no justice in a universe which cancels "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr"

169 Bear  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:15:26pm

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

Watch out for the EPA.

170 Stanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:15:40pm

re: #69 PhillyPretzel

Okay. I have no idea who Piers Morgan is. I do not have cable.

He used to be in charge of UK's American Idol. Now he's our go to man.

Probably not completely factual. but for real? he's not our go to journalist.

171 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:15:41pm

re: #167 Naso Tang

If we are going to regress like this, I'll make a plug for The Lone Ranger.

Don't forget Superman!

172 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:15:46pm

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

Oh god, one of my dogs farted. I must open all the windows & doors.

He who smelt it dealt it.

Always blame the dog.

173 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:16:22pm

re: #169 Bear

Watch out for the EPA.

Fuck that, bring in NEST.

174 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:16:28pm

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

Don't forget Superman!

Which one?

175 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:16:35pm

re: #172 b_sharp

He who smelt it dealt it.

Always blame the dog.

"SPOT! Get away from him before he shits on you!"

176 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:16:49pm

re: #161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nameless extras in the rough drafts until they had to write in some filler.

Fine, have it your way. Have fun not being invited aboard my escape vessel.

177 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:17:09pm

re: #174 Naso Tang

Which one?

The one with Shaq.
/

178 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:17:37pm

re: #172 b_sharp

He who smelt it dealt it.

Always blame the dog.

I'm getting dizzy from the foul gas being passed by either Sunny or Cooper.

179 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:19:00pm

re: #167 Naso Tang

If we are going to regress like this, I'll make a plug for The Lone Ranger.

The Lone Ranger and Have Gun will Travel were my two favourites as a kid. My second most prized toys were the Paladin gun set I got. It even included the Derringers.

And all four guns fired caps.

180 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:19:34pm

re: #174 Naso Tang

Which one?

The one with George Reeves. I never missed a show when it was on TV somewhere.

181 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:20:12pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

I'm getting dizzy from the foul gas being passed by either Sunny or Cooper.

What the hell are you feeding them?

182 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:20:35pm

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

The one with George Reeves. I never missed a show when it was on TV somewhere.

I remember watching F Troop as a kid.

183 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:20:46pm

re: #153 Varek Raith

I loved it the first 4 or 5 seasons or so. Then...boom. It sucked.

It went to shit and the hogs ate it when they moved production from Vancouver to Los Angeles.

Also, today I learned that jumptheshark.com (which I was going to cite as a reference) now redirects to TV FUCKING GUIDE.

There is no justice in this world.

184 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:20:56pm

Tarzan was pretty good too. I love the old black & white TV shows. The classics will always age gracefully.

185 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:21:00pm

We are so old!

186 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:21:27pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I remember watching F Troop as a kid.

Bwahahaha! That was a funny show too!

187 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:22:04pm

re: #145 Naso Tang

Got anybody in mind?

Not really, just looking for ease of use of a new feature.

188 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:22:28pm

re: #185 b_sharp

We are so old!

Captain Video (and Tobor).

189 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:22:44pm

I'm also angered that Reaper only last a season and a half.

190 Bear  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:22:49pm

Sgt. Bilko was another good one.

191 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:23:44pm

re: #186 NJDhockeyfan

Bwahahaha! That was a funny show too!

Where Indian fights are colorful sights and nobody takes a lickin'.
Where paleface and redskin both turn chicken!

192 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:23:55pm

re: #189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm also angered that Reaper only last a season and a half.

Don't fear the Reaper.

193 Lidanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:24:19pm

re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is no justice in a universe which cancels "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr"

True, but Bruce Campbell is now on Burn Notice, which is awesome. :D

194 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:24:25pm

re: #168 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is no justice in a universe which cancels "The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr"

Also Fox's fault...just sayin'

195 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:24:26pm

NYTimes just nailed its own coffin shut.

Jerusalem Post is putting more and more of their stuff behind a paywall. Fuck them too.

There are plenty of free news sources on teh Intertubes.

196 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:25:00pm

re: #188 Decatur Deb

Captain Video (and Tobor).

Eno taht was reven I.

197 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:25:35pm

re: #195 Alouette

NYTimes just nailed its own coffin shut.

Jerusalem Post is putting more and more of their stuff behind a paywall. Fuck them too.

There are plenty of free news sources on teh Intertubes.

Here here!

198 Lidanghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:26:16pm

re: #194 talon_262

Also Fox's fault...just sayin'

They cancel Firefly and Brisco County, Jr., but both The Cleveland Show and Bob's Burgers are still on. WTF.

199 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:26:41pm

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

Here here!

Hare hare.

200 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:26:59pm

I don't know if there was a funnier show in the 60s other than Get Smart.

201 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:27:22pm

re: #196 b_sharp

Eno taht was reven I.

Many episodes are on Youtube Sample Here:

[Link: www.google.com...]

202 darthstar  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:27:45pm

How to test your corned beef to see if it's done:
1. Slice off a 1/4 inch slab
2. Place slab on 9 grain sourdough bread
3. Slather slab with moutarde des pompiers (firemen's mustard - hot shit)
4. Eat while the dogs watch jealously.

203 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:28:28pm

re: #198 Lidane

They cancel Firefly and Brisco County, Jr., but both The Cleveland Show and Bob's Burgers are still on. WTF.

When the Koch Brothers tell you what they like on TV, you listen.
/

204 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:28:48pm

McHale's Navy. Gee, I like that kind of talk...

205 albusteve  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:29:07pm

Smothers Brothers was cool...some classic music

206 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:29:26pm

re: #197 NJDhockeyfan

Here here!

hurr hurr

207 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:29:50pm

Manimal anyone?

Youtube Video
208 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:30:13pm

re: #205 albusteve

Smothers Brothers was cool...some classic music

Laugh-In had Goldie.

209 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:30:22pm

re: #190 Bear

Sgt. Bilko was another good one.

Phil Silvers, my favorite!

210 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:30:48pm

re: #205 albusteve

Smothers Brothers was cool...some classic music

Classical Gas:

Youtube Video
211 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:30:54pm

re: #195 Alouette

NYTimes just nailed its own coffin shut.

Jerusalem Post is putting more and more of their stuff behind a paywall. Fuck them too.

There are plenty of free news sources on teh Intertubes.

The dead tree media is hanging on by a thread. I still remember the suggestion made last year, by which Congressman I don't remember, that said that the government should bail out the newspapers. Why? Because their death would end "quality journalism."

212 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:31:11pm

re: #208 b_sharp

Laugh-In had Goldie.

Best giggle ever

213 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:31:34pm

re: #208 b_sharp

Laugh-In had Goldie.

Sock it to me!

214 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:31:51pm

re: #212 The Shadow Do

Best giggle ever

Most guys wished they had Goldie.

215 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:31:55pm

re: #184 NJDhockeyfan

Tarzan was pretty good too. I love the old black & white TV shows. The classics will always age gracefully.

They showed more skin than most shows of the day too. But with Tarzan, my real favorites are the original Burroughs books. Probably banned in many libraries these days.

216 Achilles Tang  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:33:45pm

Been a nice blast from the past. Goodnight.

217 webevintage  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:33:51pm

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

I don't know if there was a funnier show in the 60s other than Get Smart.

The Smothers Brothers

218 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:33:52pm

re: #211 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The dead tree media is hanging on by a thread. I still remember the suggestion made last year, by which Congressman I don't remember, that said that the government should bail out the newspapers. Why? Because their death would end "quality journalism."

Heh. That's like saying replacing all the Senators & Congressmen would end "quality politicians".

219 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:34:02pm

re: #215 Naso Tang

They showed more skin than most shows of the day too. But with Tarzan, my real favorites are the original Burroughs books. Probably banned in many libraries these days.

Why would they ban them?

You don't ban old books because they reflect the moral sensibilities of the time. That's a very poor reason.

220 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:34:39pm

re: #214 b_sharp

Most guys wished they had Goldie.

Is Kurt still doing that?

I was in S Colorado and saw miles and miles of high wrought iron fence topped every so often with a gold K&G signet.

Yup, Kurt and Goldie ranch. not bad for a no talent actor and a chick in a bikini and body paint! Love em both.

221 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:35:28pm

re: #218 NJDhockeyfan

Heh. That's like saying replacing all the Senators & Congressmen would end "quality politicians".

No great loss.

222 Bear  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:35:50pm

Combat was one show I could not watch. Just too damn realistic for me since I just missed going up front by the skin of my teeth.

On the other hand the Willie and Joe cartoons were funny in an awful way.

223 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:36:22pm

Night Lizards.

May the Deity of you choice smile down upon you.

224 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:36:42pm

re: #217 webevintage

The Smothers Brothers

Carson: Frontier Bris

Youtube Video
225 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:37:23pm

re: #221 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No great loss.

They always get replacements who are no different except for the names.

226 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:37:30pm

re: #222 Bear

Combat was one show I could not watch. Just too damn realistic for me since I just missed going up front by the skin of my teeth.

On the other hand the Willie and Joe cartoons were funny in an awful way.

Vic Morrow, never missed it

227 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:37:30pm

re: #185 b_sharp

We are so old!

I was born in the early 70s. I feel like I got kinda lucky with my TV exposure. Both of my parents worked, so when I wasn't in school I spent a lot of time with my grandmother.

Here are some of the shows, then-current or re-runs, she religiously watched. That pretty much meant I also religiously watched them. Keep in mind she was born in 1904.

The Addams Family
Gilligan's Island
The Jeffersons
Sanford & Son
Dragnet
Get Smart
Adam 12
Grizzly Adams
The Twilight Zone
The Muppet Show (yes, my grandmother watched The Muppet Show)

Of course, I also watched cartoons. But I was lucky enough to be able to see GOOD cartoons. Warner Brothers, Tex Avery, Fleischer Studios. Stuff from the 1930s and 1940s, with absolutely beautiful animation (done the HARD WAY), wonderful voice acting, amazing musical scoring (thank you Carl Stalling). See any of the Warner Brothers cartoons from the WWII period for a taste. Aside from those classics, the only other one that got me really excited was Scooby Doo. The important thing is that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time.

Now get the fuck off my lawn.

228 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:38:27pm

Bonanza!

229 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:38:52pm

re: #227 negativ

I was born in the early 70s. I feel like I got kinda lucky with my TV exposure. Both of my parents worked, so when I wasn't in school I spent a lot of time with my grandmother.

Here are some of the shows, then-current or re-runs, she religiously watched. That pretty much meant I also religiously watched them. Keep in mind she was born in 1904.

The Addams Family
Gilligan's Island
The Jeffersons
Sanford & Son
Dragnet
Get Smart
Adam 12
Grizzly Adams
The Twilight Zone
The Muppet Show (yes, my grandmother watched The Muppet Show)

Of course, I also watched cartoons. But I was lucky enough to be able to see GOOD cartoons. Warner Brothers, Tex Avery, Fleischer Studios. Stuff from the 1930s and 1940s, with absolutely beautiful animation (done the HARD WAY), wonderful voice acting, amazing musical scoring (thank you Carl Stalling). See any of the Warner Brothers cartoons from the WWII period for a taste. Aside from those classics, the only other one that got me really excited was Scooby Doo. The important thing is that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time.

Now get the fuck off my lawn.

Go yell at a cloud.
;)

230 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:39:25pm

re: #228 HoosierHoops

Bonanza!

Ironside!

231 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:39:41pm

See, this is why I come to LGF. Not only do I find plenty of fellow nerds, but just when I start feeling old, I find out that I'm sharing these wonderful boards with some real livin' fossils.

/

232 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:39:46pm

re: #227 negativ

I was born in the early 70s. I feel like I got kinda lucky with my TV exposure. Both of my parents worked, so when I wasn't in school I spent a lot of time with my grandmother.

Here are some of the shows, then-current or re-runs, she religiously watched. That pretty much meant I also religiously watched them. Keep in mind she was born in 1904.

The Addams Family
Gilligan's Island
The Jeffersons
Sanford & Son
Dragnet
Get Smart
Adam 12
Grizzly Adams
The Twilight Zone
The Muppet Show (yes, my grandmother watched The Muppet Show)

Of course, I also watched cartoons. But I was lucky enough to be able to see GOOD cartoons. Warner Brothers, Tex Avery, Fleischer Studios. Stuff from the 1930s and 1940s, with absolutely beautiful animation (done the HARD WAY), wonderful voice acting, amazing musical scoring (thank you Carl Stalling). See any of the Warner Brothers cartoons from the WWII period for a taste. Aside from those classics, the only other one that got me really excited was Scooby Doo. The important thing is that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time.

Now get the fuck off my lawn.

You ain't old enough to pull off the curmudgeon there young-un.

233 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:39:47pm

re: #227 negativ

Most excellent, I especially admire your familiarity with Sanford and Son.

234 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:40:05pm

re: #182 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I remember watching F Troop as a kid.

[Link: www.televisiontunes.com...]

I enjoyed F-Troop on Nick at Night back in the days when we had kerosene-powered TVs.

235 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:40:58pm

re: #230 NJDhockeyfan

Ironside!

Quincy!

236 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:41:09pm

re: #231 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

See, this is why I come to LGF. Not only do I find plenty of fellow nerds, but just when I start feeling old, I find out that I'm sharing these wonderful boards with some real livin' fossils.

/

Oh, get off my lawn you snivly kid.

237 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:41:31pm

re: #227 negativ

re: #229 Varek Raith

Don't try to out-fogey me. The first TV I remember was the Battleship Missouri shelling N. Korea. It was on a B&W in a furniture store window. You went to the bar with your grandad to see the Gillette Cavalcade fights.

238 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:41:56pm

re: #235 HoosierHoops

Quincy!

Hawaii 5-0. End of conversation. Book em Danno

239 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:41:58pm

re: #235 HoosierHoops

Quincy!

I loved watching Quincy.

240 albusteve  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:42:39pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

re: #229 Varek Raith

Don't try to out-fogey me. The first TV I remember was the Battleship Missouri shelling N. Korea. It was on a B&W in a furniture store window. You went to the bar with your grandad to see the Gillette Cavalcade fights.

Friday night fights....dig that

241 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:42:57pm

Don't forget Adam West as Batman. Now that was real adventure & excitement on TV.

242 Bear  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:43:03pm

Don't know about the rest of you, but this looking back at the past has been fun, especially in light of the bad news we have been getting the past few days. " Thanks for the Memories".

243 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:43:52pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

re: #229 Varek Raith

Don't try to out-fogey me. The first TV I remember was the Battleship Missouri shelling N. Korea. It was on a B&W in a furniture store window. You went to the bar with your grandad to see the Gillette Cavalcade fights.

Sumonabitch. My first TV was hungarians throwing molotov cocktails at tanks. Shocking stuff for a baby.

You are an old bastard.

244 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:44:48pm

GI JOE.
Transformers.
He-Man.
Silverhawks.
Thundercats.
80's cartoons, first TV I remember.
:)

245 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:45:10pm

re: #235 HoosierHoops

Quincy!

TRAPPER JOHN, M.D.

246 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:45:12pm

re: #235 HoosierHoops

Quincy!

The Rockford Files!

247 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:45:15pm

re: #242 Bear

Don't know about the rest of you, but this looking back at the past has been fun, especially in light of the bad news we have been getting the past few days. " Thanks for the Memories".

Life is a collection of memories. The bigger and happier the better.

248 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:46:48pm

re: #244 Varek Raith

GI JOE.
Transformers.
He-Man.
Silverhawks.
Thundercats.
80's cartoons, first TV I remember.
:)

And with (I think) the exception of Silverhawks, every one of those series has either been remade into new series or transformed into movies.

Good to know I'm not the only one here born before the invention of fire.

249 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:46:59pm

re: #244 Varek Raith

GI JOE.
Transformers.
He-Man.
Silverhawks.
Thundercats.
80's cartoons, first TV I remember.
:)

I remember the original Barbie sized GI JOEs.

250 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:47:09pm

Voltron.
How could I freaking forget Voltron?!
Heh.

251 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:47:14pm

re: #246 NJDhockeyfan

The Rockford Files!

I really liked that show!

252 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:48:31pm

re: #246 NJDhockeyfan

The Rockford Files!

The Man from U.N.C.L.E.

The best

253 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:49:05pm

re: #250 Varek Raith

Voltron.
How could I freaking forget Voltron?!
Heh.

The lions, none of that car shit.

254 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:50:16pm

re: #251 HoosierHoops

I really liked that show!

Jim Rockford always seemed to get his ass kicked in each show. I always wanted one of his business card machines he kept in his car.

255 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:50:43pm

re: #251 HoosierHoops

I really liked that show!

Hey Hoosier, I picked Louisville Redbirds for the final four. Are you doing better than that?

256 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:50:44pm

re: #252 The Shadow Do

The Man from U.N.C.L.E.

The best

Mission Impossible.

Barbara Bain.

257 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:50:53pm

re: #227 negativ

By the way, that's the same grandmother who decided to clean out her closet one day and afterwards regaled us with the tale of having found a big stack of unused WWII ration books which she promptly threw away, because oh my, isn't it embarrassing to keep all this old junk lying around?

258 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:51:33pm

re: #252 The Shadow Do

The Man from U.N.C.L.E.

The best

Emergency!

"Station 51, KMG365"

259 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:51:57pm

re: #257 negativ

By the way, that's the same grandmother who decided to clean out her closet one day and afterwards regaled us with the tale of having found a big stack of unused WWII ration books which she promptly threw away, because oh my, isn't it embarrassing to keep all this old junk lying around?

Good God, can you imagine taking those on the Antiques Roadshow today?

260 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:52:11pm

re: #256 b_sharp

Mission Impossible.

Barbara Bain.

You win

261 Bear  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:52:11pm

Going way way back to preTV some of the radio dramas would make your hair stand up. The way sound could be used to make programs seem real.

262 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:52:41pm

re: #244 Varek Raith

GI JOE.
Transformers.
He-Man.
Silverhawks.
Thundercats.
80's cartoons, first TV I remember.
:)

My oldest nephew watched those. Although I was only a few years older than him at the time, I remember feeling sorry for him, what with having to endure sub-standard cartoons and all.

263 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:53:27pm

re: #255 The Shadow Do

Hey Hoosier, I picked Louisville Redbirds for the final four. Are you doing better than that?

I picked Duke vs. Kansas in the final

264 garhighway  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:53:44pm

Back for a minute with a quick post on the original topic: the NYT paywall.

The on-line Columbia Journalism Review likes it.

[Link: www.cjr.org...]

They've been covering the decline of newsprint for a while, looking for models that generate money for real journalism on-line, and they think the NYT model has a shot.

265 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:53:52pm

re: #261 Bear

Going way way back to preTV some of the radio dramas would make your hair stand up. The way sound could be used to make programs seem real.

They have a channel for those on XM.

266 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:53:55pm

re: #259 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good God, can you imagine taking those on the Antiques Roadshow today?

I never throw anything away. I still have bolts from my '57 Chevy removed in '73.

267 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:53:57pm

I remember watching GI Joe cartoons and then they put Robotech on the air and thinking "HEY! THEY JUST KILLED A GUY!" because in GI Joe, they always bailed out.

268 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:54:08pm

re: #261 Bear

Going way way back to preTV some of the radio dramas would make your hair stand up. The way sound could be used to make programs seem real.

The Shadow...

269 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:54:49pm

My Favorite Martian

270 b_snark  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:55:20pm

I've gotta run, I actually have work I'm supposed to be doing.

271 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:55:41pm

re: #263 HoosierHoops

I picked Duke vs. Kansas in the final

I have Kansas - Kentuck

Yeah, I know ...

272 blueraven  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:56:06pm

re: #157 albusteve

Paladin Paladin
where do you roam?

Have Gun, Will Travel...

I used to love 'Alias Smith & Jones' till one of the guys killed himself.

273 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:56:39pm

re: #266 b_sharp

I never throw anything away. I still have bolts from my '57 Chevy removed in '73.

Shit, I think I still have half a bologna & cheese sandwich from 1979 in my shed. I hate throwing away stuff. I might need it one day.

274 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:57:47pm

re: #261 Bear

Going way way back to preTV some of the radio dramas would make your hair stand up. The way sound could be used to make programs seem real.

"The Shadow", and 'The Whistler".

275 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:57:49pm

re: #272 blueraven

Have Gun, Will Travel...

I used to love 'Alias Smith & Jones' till one of the guys killed himself.

That was a fun show. When did one of the guys kill himself? I didn't hear about it.

276 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:58:10pm

Off topic, but I weep for the American Education system. Just saw this comment on Al-Jazeera.

People in Missouri near where I taught thought the moon landing changed the weather.

The Stupid

277 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 7:58:58pm

God, I feel old remembering when MTV played music videos. Or when Nickelodeon first started programming...mostly with shows it'd bought from Canada.

278 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:00:33pm

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan

That was a fun show. When did one of the guys kill himself? I didn't hear about it.

Pete Duel

279 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:00:42pm

re: #261 Bear

Going way way back to preTV some of the radio dramas would make your hair stand up. The way sound could be used to make programs seem real.

The standard example being Orson Welles' production of "War of the Worlds".

You can hear the original 1938 broadcast here: [Link: www.archive.org...]

As you listen, try to keep in mind that Orson Welles was only 22 years old at the time.

280 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:00:43pm

re: #278 Varek Raith

Pete Duel

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

281 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:01:11pm

re: #276 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but I weep for the American Education system. Just saw this comment on Al-Jazeera.


The Stupid

Somehow I don't think too many people in Missouri or anywhere spent too much time pondering that particular question.

282 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:01:11pm

re: #268 The Shadow Do

The Shadow...

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

283 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:02:08pm

re: #277 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

God, I feel old remembering when MTV played music videos. Or when Nickelodeon first started programming...mostly with shows it'd bought from Canada.

I think the first MTV video I watched was Bryan Adams singing cuts like a knife

284 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:02:23pm

My mother (age 83) is a devotee of Bonanza reruns. I think they run it about 20 hours a day on one rerun cable channel or another. I can go over there and hear that god-awful Bonanza theme blaring in the front yard (mom is hard of hearing but won't admit it.)

Bonanza was probably my least favorite among the many offerings from the heyday of TV westerns. These aren't really supposed to have much historical accuracy but the producers could have made a minimal effort to keep out things that obviously didn't belong in an 1860 Nevada setting. These included 1890 style clothes and Stetson hats, 1883 guns (repeaters no less), and a tired weather beaten town in a territory that was practically uninhabited at the time and had no towns at all until just a couple of years earlier.
On top of that, we are supposed to believe that Pa Cartwright and his three gay grown sons can work a 600,000 acre ranch with just the help of a stereotyped Chinese cook and an occasional guest-star with a Brylcreamed DA haircut.

My favorite of course was Have Gun, Will Travel, with a great theme song by Johnny Western and the ultra-cool Richard Boone as a most erudite mercenary gunman with saintly ethics.

Youtube Video
285 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:02:32pm

re: #277 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

God, I feel old remembering when MTV played music videos. Or when Nickelodeon first started programming...mostly with shows it'd bought from Canada.

I remember when ESPN was new and it's live sports consisted of rollerskating hockey games & skateboarding competitions. Being in the UP in the Air Force the only real sports I could get on a regular basis was Cubs baseball on WGN with Harry Carey at the mic.
:)

286 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:02:45pm

re: #279 negativ

The standard example being Orson Welles' production of "War of the Worlds".

You can hear the original 1938 broadcast here: [Link: www.archive.org...]

As you listen, try to keep in mind that Orson Welles was only 22 years old at the time.

My mother told me about this. Strange as it may seem it was completely believed at the time and there was real panic.

287 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:02:54pm

re: #276 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but I weep for the American Education system. Just saw this comment on Al-Jazeera.

The Stupid

Don't take comments like that too seriously. It might not even be from an American, much less true.

288 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:03:16pm

re: #282 negativ

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

I does

289 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:03:32pm

re: #267 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I remember watching GI Joe cartoons and then they put Robotech on the air and thinking "HEY! THEY JUST KILLED A GUY!" because in GI Joe, they always bailed out.

Youtube Video
290 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:04:56pm

re: #281 The Shadow Do

Somehow I don't think too many people in Missouri or anywhere spent too much time pondering that particular question.

Throughout the 50s-60's bomb tests, it would mark you as unsophisticated, but not crazy, to think the tests influenced the weather. (And made giant ants.)

291 blueraven  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:05:04pm

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan

That was a fun show. When did one of the guys kill himself? I didn't hear about it.

Really? I remember crying like a baby. I had a big crush on him. I was a teenager. It was the one with dark hair...Peter Duel, I think was his name.

They replaced him with another actor, but it was never the same for me.

Oh yeah, here it is:

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

There was a solid chemisty between Pete Duel and Murphy, and the guest stars were also well chosen. I have fond memories of this show, although its quality deteriorated somewhat in February 1972 when Roger Davis took over for Duel (who died on New Year's Eve 1971 from a self-inflicted gunshot wound). It would be nice to see it released on video or at least added to the lineup on TV Land.

292 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:06:04pm

re: #276 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but I weep for the American Education system. Just saw this comment on Al-Jazeera.

The Stupid

There plenty of kooks around who believe the moon landings were faked in a Hollywood studio. I think that person probably hung around with the same type of idiots.

293 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:06:12pm

re: #281 The Shadow Do

I know, but....the level of ignorance I just heard about is stunning. I have no words.

I'm also noticing a fair number Americans on the board, and some "Republicans." (That's in quotes, because I think they could be described as reasonable tories).

294 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:08:00pm

re: #269 HoosierHoops

My Favorite Martian

Love, American Style

295 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:09:23pm

re: #293 ProLifeLiberal

I know, but...the level of ignorance I just heard about is stunning. I have no words.

I'm also noticing a fair number Americans on the board, and some "Republicans." (That's in quotes, because I think they could be described as reasonable tories).

They're probably the same ones who think NASA and foreign aid each get 25% of the federal budget. In fact, they probably there are 10 or 12 pointy-headed liberal programs that each get 25% of the budget.

296 Digital Display  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:09:41pm

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

Love, American Style

NOOOooooo!
Don't go all love boat on me
/

297 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:10:05pm

re: #292 NJDhockeyfan

I don't know, it feels like by brain suffered a segfault error. I can't comprehend that.

298 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:10:27pm

re: #296 HoosierHoops

NOOOooo!
Don't go all love boat on me
/

I wasn't going to mention Love Boat. Ewwww.

299 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:11:52pm

re: #277 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

God, I feel old remembering when MTV played music videos. Or when Nickelodeon first started programming...mostly with shows it'd bought from Canada.

Try to wrap your mind around the idea that on Oct 31, 1981, MTV broadcast a Frank Zappa concert live, in its three-hour entirety.

Now: Snooki!

Things I saw on MTV back in yesteryear:

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
Youtube Video
300 reine.de.tout  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:11:56pm

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

Love, American Style

Car 54, Where Are You?

(have I just given away my age?)

301 abolitionist  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:12:36pm

re: #290 Decatur Deb

Throughout the 50s-60's bomb tests, it would mark you as unsophisticated, but not crazy, to think the tests influenced the weather. (And made giant ants.)

Maybe people were just fed up with the cliche Everybody talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it.

302 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:12:45pm

re: #295 Shiplord Kirel

They're probably the same ones who think NASA and foreign aid each get 25% of the federal budget. In fact, they probably there are 10 or 12 pointy-headed liberal programs that each get 25% of the budget.

Most people know very little about the budget, either liberals or conservatives.

303 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:13:05pm

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

I wasn't going to mention Love Boat. Ewww.

Shit, that was two failed marriages ago. Awful, awful stuff. She loved it.

304 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:14:23pm

re: #297 ProLifeLiberal

I don't know, it feels like by brain suffered a segfault error. I can't comprehend that.

Buzz Aldrin knows what to do when you come across one of these morons.

Youtube Video
305 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:15:11pm

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

This is true.

The Pro-Gaddafi comments on the Al-Jazeera comment section are horrific. They describe the Rebels as parasite and rats who need to be slaughtered, and Benghazi as a rathole. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, with the comments on Yahoo and all.

306 blueraven  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:15:51pm

The Dick Cavett Show was one of my favorites.

307 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:16:52pm

Among other things we can blame the Love Boat for jump-starting the career of Fred Grandy, known as Gopher in the show and later a member of Congress. These days he is a full-bore batshit tea-partyist, whose wife is noted for an especially vicious anti-Muslim screed during Fred's radio show.

308 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:16:58pm

re: #295 Shiplord Kirel

They're probably the same ones who think NASA and foreign aid each get 25% of the federal budget. In fact, they probably there are 10 or 12 pointy-headed liberal programs that each get 25% of the budget.

That's because the real budget busters, items like Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, the defense budget, and so forth are generally downplayed by one politician or another. Why? Because any who have stood up and called for serious reforms or (worse) cuts generally doesn't last long.

309 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:18:08pm

re: #306 blueraven

The Dick Cavett Show was one of my favorites.

A keeper for sure. Along with Firing Line I first paid attention to politics and events.

310 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:18:29pm

re: #305 ProLifeLiberal

This is true.

The Pro-Gaddafi comments on the Al-Jazeera comment section are horrific. They describe the Rebels as parasite and rats who need to be slaughtered, and Benghazi as a rathole. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, with the comments on Yahoo and all.

Ah, the joys of unmoderated comments. Places like that make you understand just how needed moderation is.

311 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:21:17pm

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, fortunately, the others seem to take glee in bashing those people. Still shows the use of moderaters to regulate the GIFT.

I've been watching the live blog to see what's going on in Libya for a while, as our media hasn't been paying attention.

312 BishopX  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:21:48pm

re: #311 ProLifeLiberal

Anything actually happening yet?

313 blueraven  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:24:06pm

re: #309 The Shadow Do

A keeper for sure. Along with Firing Line I first paid attention to politics and events.

Yeah, me too. Later I was so politically nerdy, I watched nearly every moment of the Watergate hearings. It was riveting TV for me.

But I also liked stuff like Fawlty Towers.

314 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:25:40pm

re: #312 BishopX

Not that I see yet. I heard something some time ago about a possible SNAFU with one of the interveners in Europe. De-Icing necessary for someone.

Fun things may have been going on in Tripoli. It seems that the Resolution earlier grants large power to the sorta coalition. It's exetremely harsh against Gaddafi.

315 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:27:00pm

re: #312 BishopX

Anything actually happening yet?

The UN gave the West the green light to start the No Fly Zone a few hours ago. We are still waiting for them to start blasting Mo's planes to stop them from killing more civilians.

316 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:27:25pm

Matt Mulholland

Youtube Video
317 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:28:36pm

re: #315 NJDhockeyfan

The UN gave the West the green light to start the No Fly Zone a few hours ago. We are still waiting for them to start blasting Mo's planes to stop them from killing more civilians.

Gave them the go-ahead for a no-fly zone and airstrikes. Somehow, I don't see this stopping there.

318 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:28:58pm

re: #306 blueraven

The Dick Cavett Show was one of my favorites.

Dick Cavett, Steve Allen, and Johnny Carson stand out in my mind as TV chat show hosts who pointedly didn't assume their audience was a bunch of nit-wits. Letterman still has his moments, but most of his moments happened 15-20+ years ago. I find Paris Hilton more likable and less nauseating than Jay Leno, and that's saying... something

Again: get off my lawn.

319 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:29:17pm

re: #313 blueraven

Yeah, me too. Later I was so politically nerdy, I watched nearly every moment of the Watergate hearings. It was riveting TV for me.

But I also liked stuff like Fawlty Towers.

You may well be my long lost twin...
Manuel, show them to their rooms

320 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:29:46pm

We need a cute blog name for the interveners the nations as of now are:

Canada
Denmark
France
Jordan
Qatar
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States

With Egypt supplying arms and ammo to the ground. Tunisia has been letting volunteers flow through the border.

321 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:30:19pm

I know it's late here on the East Coast but I wanted to wish you all a happy St. Patrick's Day.

322 BishopX  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:30:51pm

re: #314 ProLifeLiberal

I read the resolution with glee. The way I figure there are three possibilities at this point:

a) The resolution stops the violence at least temporarily.

b)Gaddafi tries to finish before the UN coalition gets their asses in gear(entirely possible depending on the coalition).

c)We bomb Libya, possbily targeting Gaddafi.

I was mostly wondering is anything had moved after the resolution.

323 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:32:05pm

re: #320 ProLifeLiberal

We need a cute blog name for the interveners the nations as of now are:

Canada
Denmark
France
Jordan
Qatar
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States

With Egypt supplying arms and ammo to the ground. Tunisia has been letting volunteers flow through the border.

Sarkozy has simply dusted off the Bush Administration (either one) "coalition of the willing", which is as good a phrase as any. Sarko is the real fire behind this effort, anyhow.

324 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:32:11pm

re: #317 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Gave them the go-ahead for a no-fly zone and airstrikes. Somehow, I don't see this stopping there.

I'm wondering if they will even begin. Mo is saying he will have beat the anti-govt forces within 24 hours. Why did it take the damn UN a month to finally approve this?

325 BishopX  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:33:39pm

re: #320 ProLifeLiberal

Hmmm,...CDFJQUKUSUEAET...man that's a nice word jumble, particularly if we have to keep uae uk and us together.

326 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:34:02pm

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Sounds good to me. Sounds like a Motley Crue of nations right now. 5 Western, 4-5 Arab. The way things were being said, it looks like pushing Gaddafi out is the goal.

327 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:34:29pm

re: #322 BishopX

I read the resolution with glee. The way I figure there are three possibilities at this point:

a) The resolution stops the violence at least temporarily.

b)Gaddafi tries to finish before the UN coalition gets their asses in gear(entirely possible depending on the coalition).

c)We bomb Libya, possbily targeting Gaddafi.

I was mostly wondering is anything had moved after the resolution.

Gaddafi isn't going to end things in two days. He actually is getting slowed down nearing Benghazi, with two of the three planes that raided the city today getting shot down, while a pair of rebel Mi-24 Hinds counter-raided Gaddafi's forces. We should be able to start attacks soon, with Gaddafi's heavy weapons being reduced to smoking ruins soon there after.

328 The Shadow Do  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:34:33pm

re: #324 NJDhockeyfan

I'm wondering if they will even begin. Mo is saying he will have beat the anti-govt forces within 24 hours. Why did it take the damn UN a month to finally approve this?

It took a month?

Lightening war!

329 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:36:41pm

Let's just hope the rebels don't confuse some of our allie's jets for Gadfly's.

330 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:37:32pm

re: #329 Varek Raith

Egregious spelling error is egregious!
I need coffee.

331 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:39:11pm

re: #329 Varek Raith

Let's just hope the rebels don't confuse some of our allie's jets for Gadfly's.

The Rafael does not look much like the Mirage F1. Moreover, we can provide the rebels with the relevant IFF codes so they know we're friendly. That's only for SAM batteries, but it'll still help.

332 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:39:42pm

re: #321 HappyWarrior

I know it's late here on the East Coast but I wanted to wish you all a happy St. Patrick's Day.

“But the greatest love - the love above all loves, Even greater than that of a mother - Is the tender, passionate, undying love, Of one beer drunken slob for another”
~Irish Saying

333 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:40:08pm

re: #324 NJDhockeyfan

I'm wondering if they will even begin. Mo is saying he will have beat the anti-govt forces within 24 hours. Why did it take the damn UN a month to finally approve this?

Because we had to sweet talk Russia and China into going against profit motive and vetoing the resolution. No telling what backroom wheeling and dealing went on there, but I'm sure it was not to our benefit.

334 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:40:14pm

Pink

Youtube Video
335 Sinistershade  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:40:20pm

re: #318 negativ

Dick Cavett, Steve Allen, and Johnny Carson stand out in my mind as TV chat show hosts who pointedly didn't assume their audience was a bunch of nit-wits.

And let's not forget the wonderful informality of Tomorrow with Tom Snyder.

336 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:40:54pm

re: #324 NJDhockeyfan

More than likely, Gaddafi is

a)Bluffing, or
b)Delusional

An attack on Misurata, not far from Tripoli, failed yesterday, with the loss of 7 tanks. This had an advantage of the Eastern push, with shorter supply lines, and less isolation. And they were routed badly. An attack on Adjabiya was also contentious, and they didn't make it ar into that town, the one before Benghazi. Also, the distance between the two is 130 km, or so I heard.

337 BishopX  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:40:57pm

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

Thanks, I've been too caught up in real life and the Japanese nuclear stuff to really follow the fighting in Libya, I had no idea the rebels even had an air force..

338 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:41:58pm

re: #324 NJDhockeyfan

I'm wondering if they will even begin. Mo is saying he will have beat the anti-govt forces within 24 hours. Why did it take the damn UN a month to finally approve this?

I'm sure none of it has anything to do with the fact that when a bad outcome happens despite UN involvement, we're treated to 6 months of focused media coverage of how awful and useless the UN is; while if a positive outcome follows UN action, the next 6 months of analysis consists of how utterly unnecessary the UN action was, because everything would have worked itself out on its own.

339 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:42:05pm

re: #333 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Because we had to sweet talk Russia and China into going against profit motive and not vetoing the resolution. No telling what backroom wheeling and dealing went on there, but I'm sure it was not to our benefit.

PIMF

340 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:42:43pm

re: #334 Killgore Trout

Pink

[Video]

NO.

341 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:42:52pm

re: #335 Sinistershade

And let's not forget the wonderful informality of Tomorrow with Tom Snyder.

I watched his show all the time. I still remember Wendy O Williams cutting a car in half with a chain saw.

342 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:43:53pm

re: #340 negativ

Wrong Bohemian Rhapsody. Correct one below.

Youtube Video
343 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:44:56pm

re: #342 ProLifeLiberal

Wrong Bohemian Rhapsody. Correct one below.

[Video]

Better one

Youtube Video
344 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:44:57pm

re: #340 negativ

NO.

What's wrong with that?

345 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:45:14pm

re: #332 NJDhockeyfan

“But the greatest love - the love above all loves, Even greater than that of a mother - Is the tender, passionate, undying love, Of one beer drunken slob for another”
~Irish Saying

Ha, I like that. the Irish always had a gift for words.

346 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:45:33pm

re: #338 negativ

I'm sure none of it has anything to do with the fact that when a bad outcome happens despite UN involvement, we're treated to 6 months of focused media coverage of how awful and useless the UN is; while if a positive outcome follows UN action, the next 6 months of analysis consists of how utterly unnecessary the UN action was, because everything would have worked itself out on its own.

We're using the UN as a fig leaf, so that when this ceases to be simply a no-fly zone and turns into a shooting war, we don't get branded as "warmongers" or told that we're on our own.

347 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:45:33pm

Freddie

Youtube Video
348 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:45:46pm

re: #342 ProLifeLiberal

Wrong Bohemian Rhapsody. Correct one below.

[Video]

No.

Youtube Video
349 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:45:56pm

Namaste, y'all

350 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:47:03pm

0re: #345 HappyWarrior

Ha, I like that. the Irish always had a gift for words.

For the young Gaels of Ireland
Are the lads that drive me mad,
For half their words need footnotes
And half their rhymes are bad.
~Arthur Guiterman

351 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:47:26pm

re: #342 ProLifeLiberal

Wrong Bohemian Rhapsody. Correct one below.

[Video]

That's better.

352 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:47:59pm

The picture for the Al Jazeera live blog today is...interesting. We have an Anti-Aircraft Gun in the back of an old Toyota pickup truck.

353 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:49:02pm

re: #352 ProLifeLiberal

The picture for the Al Jazeera live blog today is...interesting. We have an Anti-Aircraft Gun in the back of an old Toyota pickup truck.

A technical, how cute!

354 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:50:28pm

re: #353 Varek Raith

A technical, how cute!

Makes a lot of sense, really. Fast, plentiful, and fairly easy to maintain. Just so long as you don't get within shooting distance of anything more powerful than a Super Soaker, you're good.

355 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:52:15pm

re: #334 Killgore Trout

Pink is up to playing Freddie Mercury's role, but her guitarist is not up to the job.

356 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:53:06pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

What's wrong with that?

To properly answer your question, I would have to embark upon a lengthy journey into the arcane worlds of ethnomusicology, the history of Iran/Persia, and 20th century popular culture. I have no energy for any of that, so I'll have to answer thusly:

It's about the same as if Justin Bieber did a cover of "When The Roses Bloom Again" or "The Long Black Veil" by Johnny Cash.

357 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:53:07pm

re: #354 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Makes a lot of sense, really. Fast, plentiful, and fairly easy to maintain. Just so long as you don't get within shooting distance of anything more powerful than a Super Soaker, you're good.

I need a giant super soaker and a pick up truck...

358 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:53:46pm

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

Pink is up to playing Freddie Mercury's role, but her guitarist is not up to the job.

Who is Pink?

359 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:55:38pm

re: #353 Varek Raith

Most awesome customization for a car ever. Never need to worry about rude drivers.

360 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:56:16pm
I say more power to them if they think they can make this approach profitable.

I suspect they can. They are one of the oldest and most paper of note in the country, and even Drudge finds a need to link to them. I would imagine that they are not making this move without some analyst on the possible success of the business model. An organization like the NYT doesn't just make rash business decisions.

361 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:57:41pm

re: #359 ProLifeLiberal

Most awesome customization for a car ever. Never need to worry about rude drivers.

Image: army-bike-cart-hybrid-vehicle.jpg

362 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 8:58:35pm

re: #358 NJDhockeyfan

Who is Pink?

Reader's Digest Condensed Version: A pop music personality who stands out from other pop music personalities due to being much less awful than Britney Spears.

Or in other words, a form of cancer that stands out from other forms of cancer by being far less horrible than brain cancer.

363 laZardo  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:00:01pm

Paywallocalypse sounds...Australian.

Also good morning.

364 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:00:04pm

re: #358 NJDhockeyfan

Who is Pink?

A very good singer.

re: #356 negativ

To properly answer your question, I would have to embark upon a lengthy journey into the arcane worlds of ethnomusicology, the history of Iran/Persia, and 20th century popular culture. I have no energy for any of that, so I'll have to answer thusly:

It's about the same as if Justin Bieber did a cover of "When The Roses Bloom Again" or "The Long Black Veil" by Johnny Cash.

I disagree. She handled the song well. The very idea of Justin Bieber covering a Johnny Cash song is ludicrous, as he lacks the 'dark' aspect needed to correctly cover the Man In Black. He's also far too young. By contrast, Pink has the edge to handle Freddy Mercury.

365 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:00:15pm

re: #361 Varek Raith

I would stay away from kids using that to get to school.

366 laZardo  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:01:07pm

re: #361 Varek Raith

Image: army-bike-cart-hybrid-vehicle.jpg

I'd fund that so hard.

367 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:01:49pm

You find the darnedest things while crawling through Wikipedia:

Video Games Live

368 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:01:56pm

Image: MVScooter2.jpg

369 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:03:04pm

So, everyone at the store is all greened up for St. Patty's day, I didn't even think about it, so, when I come in for a 5-9 shift tonight, I', in my regular Kroger blue shirt, black pants and black grocers apron.

I realized I would get some questions from some employees and managers (green was not mandatory, just allowed for today), so, when on of the managers asked me if I celebrate St. Patty's day, I told her, with a poker straight face... that... "No... the IRA killed my Grand Pappy and some other family members many years ago in Ireland, and things like green and St. Patty's day brings back the horrible memories."

(wait for reaction)

Yea... she was so upset that I had to tell her I was only kidding. I have to stop doing that at the store.

370 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:03:14pm

re: #368 Varek Raith

Is that a bazooka on that?

371 blueraven  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:04:36pm

re: #319 The Shadow Do

You may well be my long lost twin...
Manuel, show them to their rooms

Every once in a while they will run a Fawlty Towers Marathon on PBS. Still as funny as ever!

372 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:04:46pm

re: #370 ProLifeLiberal

Is that a bazooka on that?

Recoilless rifle, but the principle is basically the same.

373 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:05:32pm

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

So, everyone at the store is all greened up for St. Patty's day, I didn't even think about it, so, when I come in for a 5-9 shift tonight, I', in my regular Kroger blue shirt, black pants and black grocers apron.

I realized I would get some questions from some employees and managers (green was not mandatory, just allowed for today), so, when on of the managers asked me if I celebrate St. Patty's day, I told her, with a poker straight face... that... "No... the IRA killed my Grand Pappy and some other family members many years ago in Ireland, and things like green and St. Patty's day brings back the horrible memories."

(wait for reaction)

Yea... she was so upset that I had to tell her I was only kidding. I have to stop doing that at the store.

LOL...what a DICK!

374 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:05:45pm

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

So, everyone at the store is all greened up for St. Patty's day, I didn't even think about it, so, when I come in for a 5-9 shift tonight, I', in my regular Kroger blue shirt, black pants and black grocers apron.

I realized I would get some questions from some employees and managers (green was not mandatory, just allowed for today), so, when on of the managers asked me if I celebrate St. Patty's day, I told her, with a poker straight face... that... "No... the IRA killed my Grand Pappy and some other family members many years ago in Ireland, and things like green and St. Patty's day brings back the horrible memories."

(wait for reaction)

Yea... she was so upset that I had to tell her I was only kidding. I have to stop doing that at the store.

Walter, you're evil. And I enjoy that quality in you.

375 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:06:03pm

re: #370 ProLifeLiberal

Is that a bazooka on that?

75mm rifle.

376 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:06:25pm

re: #372 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wouldn't the Scooter be hard to control when it is fired? What country used that?

377 laZardo  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:06:50pm

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

Could be worse. You could have worn orange.

/or was that a regional thing?

378 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:07:02pm

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

So, everyone at the store is all greened up for St. Patty's day, I didn't even think about it, so, when I come in for a 5-9 shift tonight, I', in my regular Kroger blue shirt, black pants and black grocers apron.

I realized I would get some questions from some employees and managers (green was not mandatory, just allowed for today), so, when on of the managers asked me if I celebrate St. Patty's day, I told her, with a poker straight face... that... "No... the IRA killed my Grand Pappy and some other family members many years ago in Ireland, and things like green and St. Patty's day brings back the horrible memories."

(wait for reaction)

Yea... she was so upset that I had to tell her I was only kidding. I have to stop doing that at the store.

Lol. Your humor is awesome.

379 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:07:21pm

re: #376 ProLifeLiberal

Wouldn't the Scooter be hard to control when it is fired? What country used that?

France.

380 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:07:42pm

Canada sending six fighter jets to help enforce Libyan no-fly zone

The six CF-18 fighter jets Canada is sending to help enforce the new United Nations no-fly zone over Libya could leave as early as Friday to join an assembling international force, and will be based out of Southern Europe, possibly Italy. Ottawa will also send between 120 and 200 military personnel to support the planes.

Go Canada!

381 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:08:31pm

re: #376 ProLifeLiberal

Wouldn't the Scooter be hard to control when it is fired? What country used that?

France, believe it or not. They took a bunch of surplus US recoilless rifles, put them on Vespa scooters, and put them into the field as mobile anti-armor vehicles. They saw service in Algeria and Indochina.

They're not to be fired while in motion, of course.

382 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:11:33pm

re: #377 laZardo

Could be worse. You could have worn orange.

/or was that a regional thing?

No, not really. It is regional in the sense that if you played the part of a 'Orangeman' in the nearby region of a Chicago Irish restaurant or pub, you'd get chewed out at minimum and might well get your ass kicked.

383 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:12:19pm

New York Times renews call for information on journalists missing in Libya

The New York Times renewed on Thursday its call for information about four of its journalists who went missing while covering the Libyan conflict.

“We are still worried about our colleagues missing in Libya,” the Times wrote in a blog post on its Web site. All four, it added, “have faced many dangers before. Our thoughts are with them now. We’re looking forward to having them back.”

The journalists — Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Anthony Shadid; Stephen Farrell, a reporter and videographer; and photographers Tyler Hicks and Lynsey Addario — were last in contact with editors Tuesday from the northern port city of Ajdabiya, where they were covering the retreat of rebels.

Journalism in war zones is very dangerous. I don't think I could place myself in that kind of a dangerous situation.

384 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:12:20pm

It was in the 60's (f) today, and now, it's 29 and snowing. Winter doesn't leave the Rocky Mountains to easily.

385 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:12:44pm

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

Canada sending six fighter jets to help enforce Libyan no-fly zone

Go Canada!

Elections matter. Under Steven Harper, Canada has stepped up a great deal militarily.

386 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:13:23pm

re: #383 NJDhockeyfan

New York Times renews call for information on journalists missing in Libya

Journalism in war zones is very dangerous. I don't think I could place myself in that kind of a dangerous situation.

Maybe the Libyan's are striking back... they have to pay for the NYT online, the NYT has to pay for the reporters?

387 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:15:41pm

re: #384 Walter L. Newton

It was in the 60's (f) today, and now, it's 29 and snowing. Winter doesn't leave the Rocky Mountains to easily.

Local cam...

Image: outside.jpg

388 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:15:42pm

re: #386 Walter L. Newton

Maybe the Libyan's are striking back... they have to pay for the NYT online, the NYT has to pay for the reporters?

That could be. Money is usually exchanged during conflicts.

389 laZardo  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:15:51pm

re: #381 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

France, believe it or not. They took a bunch of surplus US recoilless rifles, put them on Vespa scooters, and put them into the field as mobile anti-armor vehicles. They saw service in Algeria and Indochina.

They're not to be fired while in motion, of course.

"And that's how old Francois broke both legs and fractured his spinal column!"

390 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:17:21pm

re: #389 laZardo

"And that's how old Francois broke both legs and fractured his spinal column!"

Francois the Talking Frog?

391 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:18:54pm

I need to go to bed. Have a great night my friends.

Flashback to old news involving Libya....and Billy Carter!

How Billy Got Involved In Libyan Controversy

392 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:21:19pm

re: #381 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

France, believe it or not. They took a bunch of surplus US recoilless rifles, put them on Vespa scooters, and put them into the field as mobile anti-armor vehicles. They saw service in Algeria and Indochina.

They're not to be fired while in motion, of course.

You want to see a Vespa? These chinese Vaspa hornets have started to inhabit in France... I met two of them in 2001... nasty, scary creatures...

Image: budha460.jpg

393 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:25:42pm

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

You want to see a Vespa? These chinese Vaspa hornets have started to inhabit in France... I met two of them in 2001... nasty, scary creatures...

Image: budha460.jpg

You need a manicure!

394 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:26:46pm

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

You want to see a Vespa? These chinese Vaspa hornets have started to inhabit in France... I met two of them in 2001... nasty, scary creatures...

Image: budha460.jpg

That's not a wasp, that's a small bird!

/

395 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:26:56pm

re: #390 Walter L. Newton

Close

Francois the Talking Frog? Mule

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

396 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:27:36pm

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

You want to see a Vespa? These chinese Vaspa hornets have started to inhabit in France... I met two of them in 2001... nasty, scary creatures...

Image: budha460.jpg

Very nasty. Their sting can be lethal.

397 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:30:03pm

re: #369 Walter L. Newton

So, everyone at the store is all greened up for St. Patty's day, I didn't even think about it, so, when I come in for a 5-9 shift tonight, I', in my regular Kroger blue shirt, black pants and black grocers apron.

I realized I would get some questions from some employees and managers (green was not mandatory, just allowed for today), so, when on of the managers asked me if I celebrate St. Patty's day, I told her, with a poker straight face... that... "No... the IRA killed my Grand Pappy and some other family members many years ago in Ireland, and things like green and St. Patty's day brings back the horrible memories."

(wait for reaction)

Yea... she was so upset that I had to tell her I was only kidding. I have to stop doing that at the store.

In the early 90s, you could get fired from Office Depot if you deviated ever so slightly from the CLOSING ANNOUNCEMENT, even if there were no actual customers in the store.

Try reading the following aloud. Somebody scripted that, and somebody who made more money signed off on it.

Attention Office Depot shoppers: The time is 9pm, and the store is now closed. Please bring your final selections to the store front at this time. For your convenience, our store hours are Monday through Friday eight AM to nine PM, Saturday nine AM to eight AM, and Sunday ten to six. As always, thank you for shopping at Office Depot, and have a pleasant evening.

398 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:31:32pm

re: #394 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

That's not a wasp, that's a small bird!

/

Really... I ran into two of these monsters in 2001 in eastern France (the only time I visited France in the summer, all my other trips have been in Jan. or Feb.)... I was sitting on a rock wall, outside of a small hamlet in Burgundy, and the damn thing came buzzing out of the wall. I ran out into the country road at the same time a municipal truck was coming down the road, he had to swerve to avoid hitting me.

The second one I encountered was a few days later, in Lyon, in theParc de la Tête d'Or (Park of the Golden head)... I was sitting on a park bench an one of them started to dive bomb me.

399 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:33:02pm

re: #397 negativ

In the early 90s, you could get fired from Office Depot if you deviated ever so slightly from the CLOSING ANNOUNCEMENT, even if there were no actual customers in the store.

Or as Jeff Dunhams "Walter" character says

"Welcome to WalMart,, Get your crap and get out!"

[Link: www.google.com...]

400 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:33:54pm

re: #397 negativ

durr.

Saturday nine AM to eight AM

should be

Saturday nine AM to nine PM

chihuahuas gone wild

401 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:34:01pm

re: #398 Walter L. Newton

Really... I ran into two of these monsters in 2001 in eastern France (the only time I visited France in the summer, all my other trips have been in Jan. or Feb.)... I was sitting on a rock wall, outside of a small hamlet in Burgundy, and the damn thing came buzzing out of the wall. I ran out into the country road at the same time a municipal truck was coming down the road, he had to swerve to avoid hitting me.

The second one I encountered was a few days later, in Lyon, in theParc de la Tête d'Or (Park of the Golden head)... I was sitting on a park bench an one of them started to dive bomb me.

Shit, and I thought the Mud daubers 'round here were bad. Yet another reason to never travel to Europe...least not without a shotgun handy.

402 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:34:36pm

re: #399 sattv4u2

In the early 90s, you could get fired from Office Depot if you deviated ever so slightly from the CLOSING ANNOUNCEMENT, even if there were no actual customers in the store.

Or as Jeff Dunhams "Walter" character says

"Welcome to WalMart,, Get your crap and get out!"

[Link: www.google.com...]

Youtube Video
403 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:37:30pm

re: #384 Walter L. Newton

It was in the 60's (f) today, and now, it's 29 and snowing. Winter doesn't leave the Rocky Mountains to easily.

QuitCherBitchin and go outside and shovel!

404 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:39:04pm

re: #401 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Shit, and I thought the Mud daubers 'round here were bad. Yet another reason to never travel to Europe...least not without a shotgun handy.

The only insects and/or bugs that really bother me is flying stinging insects. That would be my Room 101. Snakes, spiders, whatever, no problem... bees, hornets, wasps... I scream like a little kid.

Up here, we are high enough not to get many wasps, except yellow jackets (fucking yellow jackets could survive on the moon)... we also get what know as "sweat bees" (don't know the actual name), they are very small, very docile bees, rarely will sting unless trapped or something like that.

405 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:41:11pm

re: #403 sattv4u2

QuitCherBitchin and go outside and shovel!

You don't shovel up here... if it's not deep enough to call someone with a plow for 35 dollars a shot, it's not a problem. Most of our vehicles can traverse a 6 inch or less snow.

406 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:41:42pm

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

The only insects and/or bugs that really bother me is flying stinging insects. That would be my Room 101. Snakes, spiders, whatever, no problem... bees, hornets, wasps... I scream like a little kid.

Up here, we are high enough not to get many wasps, except yellow jackets (fucking yellow jackets could survive on the moon)... we also get what know as "sweat bees" (don't know the actual name), they are very small, very docile bees, rarely will sting unless trapped or something like that.

Frakkin horseflies on the New Hampshire coastline and in the White Mountains during the summer

Their bite is very painful and they are relentless

407 laZardo  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:42:36pm

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

The only insects and/or bugs that really bother me is flying stinging insects. That would be my Room 101. Snakes, spiders, whatever, no problem... bees, hornets, wasps... I scream like a little kid.

Up here, we are high enough not to get many wasps, except yellow jackets (fucking yellow jackets could survive on the moon)... we also get what know as "sweat bees" (don't know the actual name), they are very small, very docile bees, rarely will sting unless trapped or something like that.

I take it you didn't like watching the World Cup then.

408 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:44:32pm

re: #406 sattv4u2

Frakkin horseflies on the New Hampshire coastline and in the White Mountains during the summer

Their bite is very painful and they are relentless

It was when I first moved from Brooklyn to Northern New Jersey (otherwise known as "the country") in 1964 that I experienced my first horsefly. Nasty things, will not leave you alone, will even follow you into the house, short of diving into some water (which we sometimes would do if we were near the lake we lived on) the only way they will stop bothering you is if you kill it or they get bored and go on to something (or someone) else.

409 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:44:47pm

Arizona Senate votes down immigration bills

The Senate voted down bills that sought to provoke a reevaluation by the U.S. Supreme Court of birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants, Senate officials said.

Other defeated measures sought to ban undocumented students from studying at state universities, as well as requiring hospitals and schools to check the legal status of patients and students respectively.

The votes came despite the Senate having a majority of Republicans, generally more sympathetic to such measures than Democrats.

"This was a clear statement that Arizona needs to focus on its priorities, not try to solve the immigration problem," Democratic State Senator Steve Gallardo told Reuters.

410 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:45:04pm

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

The only insects and/or bugs that really bother me is flying stinging insects. That would be my Room 101. Snakes, spiders, whatever, no problem... bees, hornets, wasps... I scream like a little kid.

Up here, we are high enough not to get many wasps, except yellow jackets (fucking yellow jackets could survive on the moon)... we also get what know as "sweat bees" (don't know the actual name), they are very small, very docile bees, rarely will sting unless trapped or something like that.

Bees don't bother me as much as they used to, provided they don't fly right up in my face. Wasps and hornets, I still hate to this day. But it's spiders that I absolutely, positively cannot stand. The only one I can stand are Daddy Long Legs, and only because I know they're pretty much harmless. Not much comfort when you live in a state that hosts the Brown Recluse and the Black Widow.

411 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:45:34pm

re: #407 laZardo

I take it you didn't like watching the World Cup then.

Well, beside the fact that I don't give two craps about any sports, you're correct in assuming that that sound gets me on edge. To much like the buzz of most stinging insects.

412 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:46:18pm

re: #406 sattv4u2

Frakkin horseflies on the New Hampshire coastline and in the White Mountains during the summer

Their bite is very painful and they are relentless

I know. I've been bitten by a horsefly, and it was while I was in Colorado, as it happened.

413 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:46:51pm

in 2009, Nick Frost and Simon Pegg decided to recreate Star Wars scene by scene.

They completed part of 1.

Youtube Video
414 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:47:17pm

And an era is about to come to an end

This is the second to last night at work before I go back days starting next week. It will take me at least 2 full weeks for my body clock to transition properly (it's been harder and harder as the years have gone by)

The good news, for the 1st time in 12 years I will have full weekends off (scheduled, that is,,, we're always 'on call'") until college football starts back up

415 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:48:05pm

re: #409 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Arizona Senate votes down immigration bills

Good. Those bills were over the line. Arizona just saved itself from a lawsuit and a great deal of embarrassment.

416 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:48:17pm

re: #410 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bees don't bother me as much as they used to, provided they don't fly right up in my face. Wasps and hornets, I still hate to this day. But it's spiders that I absolutely, positively cannot stand. The only one I can stand are Daddy Long Legs, and only because I know they're pretty much harmless. Not much comfort when you live in a state that hosts the Brown Recluse and the Black Widow.

Nope... spiders don't bother me at all... I know how to recognize most of the more dangerous spiders, I have a healthy respect for them, but they don't scare me at all. Funny how that's different for different people.

I can actually freeze up in certain situations in regards to bees. I once got out of a moving vehicle, moving at about 5-10 miles an hour in a large trailer park, because there was a bee in the vehicle.

I was driving.

417 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:51:08pm

re: #410 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bees don't bother me as much as they used to, provided they don't fly right up in my face. Wasps and hornets, I still hate to this day. But it's spiders that I absolutely, positively cannot stand. The only one I can stand are Daddy Long Legs, and only because I know they're pretty much harmless. Not much comfort when you live in a state that hosts the Brown Recluse and the Black Widow.

I cannot handle spiders, and not because of concerns about poison. They just skeeve me out.

418 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:51:17pm

re: #414 sattv4u2

And an era is about to come to an end

This is the second to last night at work before I go back days starting next week. It will take me at least 2 full weeks for my body clock to transition properly (it's been harder and harder as the years have gone by)

The good news, for the 1st time in 12 years I will have full weekends off (scheduled, that is,,, we're always 'on call'") until college football starts back up

They changed my "schedule" today, starting next week. For what it's worth, since parts of my schedule changes every week anyway. But for the last six months, I've been working Sat/Sun nights overnight, 8 hours, the rest of the week schedule varies every week.

Starting next week, my overnights shift to Fri/Sat. night midnight to 8:30 am. The store never even gave me a heads up, asked me if these hours worked out, nothing. That's how Kroger does it. No communication, schedule comes out, you follow it, period. No questions.

419 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:52:15pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

Nope... spiders don't bother me at all... I know how to recognize most of the more dangerous spiders, I have a healthy respect for them, but they don't scare me at all. Funny how that's different for different people.

I can actually freeze up in certain situations in regards to bees. I once got out of a moving vehicle, moving at about 5-10 miles an hour in a large trailer park, because there was a bee in the vehicle.

I was driving.

We had a guy while I was in Okinawa literally break down into a hysterical fit, pulling of his gear and screaming because he walked into a banana spider's web and was convinced it had crawled into his uniform.

Image: heather-banana-spider-780243.jpg

420 laZardo  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:52:17pm

re: #413 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anyone seen Paul? Is it any good?

421 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:52:50pm

re: #418 Walter L. Newton

They changed my "schedule" today, starting next week. For what it's worth, since parts of my schedule changes every week anyway. But for the last six months, I've been working Sat/Sun nights overnight, 8 hours, the rest of the week schedule varies every week.

Starting next week, my overnights shift to Fri/Sat. night midnight to 8:30 am. The store never even gave me a heads up, asked me if these hours worked out, nothing. That's how Kroger does it. No communication, schedule comes out, you follow it, period. No questions.

Hey,, I figure as long as my name is ON the schedule, whatever/ how many ever hours they have me down for it's all good!

422 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:53:23pm

re: #420 laZardo

Anyone seen Paul? Is it any good?

Comes out tomorrow I think. I want to like it, but spent my movie budget for the month already.

423 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:53:25pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

Nope... spiders don't bother me at all... I know how to recognize most of the more dangerous spiders, I have a healthy respect for them, but they don't scare me at all. Funny how that's different for different people.

I can actually freeze up in certain situations in regards to bees. I once got out of a moving vehicle, moving at about 5-10 miles an hour in a large trailer park, because there was a bee in the vehicle.

I was driving.

That's me with spiders. And they don't even have to be real to provoke a response from me. I've nearly slung books across the room before when I turned to a page with a picture of one on it. And God help you if you try to scare me with a fake one.

My sister's a bit more mundane. She's just scared of cockroaches, which amuses me to no end. I'd have been amused if I hadn't been ticked off that she let one skitter around my computer room for over an hour because she was afraid to get less than ten feet from it.

424 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:53:34pm

re: #419 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We had a guy while I was in Okinawa literally break down into a hysterical fit, pulling of his gear and screaming because he walked into a banana spider's web and was convinced it had crawled into his uniform.

Image: heather-banana-spider-780243.jpg

I know a Marine who developed arachnophobia entirely based on those things.

425 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:54:38pm

Anyone want an ice cream sandwich?

426 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:55:13pm

re: #425 sattv4u2

Anyone want an ice cream sandwich?

Just had some ice cream, thanks.

427 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:56:53pm

re: #424 SanFranciscoZionist

I know a Marine who developed arachnophobia entirely based on those things.

My fun part was setting up a hasty machine gun position in a bed of ticks. Nothing at first, but within about 20 minutes, I had bites over almost my entire body. They had to bring 2 extra corpsmen over for the hydrocortizone cream. There I was, standing in the jungle in my underwear, breaking out in hundreds of bug bites while 3 corpsmen applied anti-itch cream.

428 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:57:18pm

re: #419 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We had a guy while I was in Okinawa literally break down into a hysterical fit, pulling of his gear and screaming because he walked into a banana spider's web and was convinced it had crawled into his uniform.

Image: heather-banana-spider-780243.jpg

I once posted a picture of a Rhinoceros Beetle on a different and the first response I got was "Rico, nuke that sucker!" I'd only seen the movie, but I still got the joke.

429 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:57:23pm

re: #421 sattv4u2

Hey,, I figure as long as my name is ON the schedule, whatever/ how many ever hours they have me down for it's all good!

Not really a complaint on my part, just an observation. I know this is nothing unusual in retail, just a bit different for me since I come from mainly a 30 year corporate environment.

I find the "scrooge" and "intimidation" style of retail management to be odd, that's all. I can certainly understand why I find so many employees, who do a really good job, but couldn't care less about anything else than coming into work, doing what they are expected to do, and then going home. Any feelings of belonging, of working in unison to improve the company, a real corporate loyalty, none of that... the mentality of management itself keeps most of the employees from caring much at all.

It's self-exploiting and in my mind wastes a lot of time and money to run a business like this.

430 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:58:18pm

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

I once posted a picture of a Rhinoceros Beetle on a different and the first response I got was "Rico, nuke that sucker!" I'd only seen the movie, but I still got the joke.

I still think giant Isopods are Satan's agents on this plane of existence.

431 laZardo  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 9:58:45pm

re: #424 SanFranciscoZionist

I know a Marine who developed arachnophobia entirely based on those things.

The cure for arachnophobia is a Pokemon.

432 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:00:19pm

Got a half of inch of snow out there already.

433 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:00:26pm

re: #431 laZardo

The cure for arachnophobia is a Pokemon.

...damn you.

434 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:00:57pm

re: #431 laZardo

The cure for arachnophobia is a Pokemon.

And then we have Warhammer's take...

Image: Arachnarok_Goblin_Spider_model.JPG

435 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:01:09pm

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

Got a half of inch of snow out there already.

I don't EVEN want to know how you measured it!!

436 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:02:39pm

re: #435 sattv4u2

I don't EVEN want to know how you measured it!!

It felt like a half an inch... I was inside at the time.

437 freetoken  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:03:21pm

Watching the NHK livestream... showing the restarted hose-down of unit 3 from the fire trucks... it looks like they are getting the stream high enough. 2 trucks currently spraying, it appears.

438 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:05:23pm

dammit

I knew I shouldn't have opened that e-mail from my manager

Have to go install a new back-up transmitter

If anyone sees sparks flying or hears a loud BANG near the Emory area of Atlanta, could you please call the EMT's!?!?

439 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:08:14pm

I posted an article this morning about how the bears are up and at em' early this year... now I hear a radio news piece about the same thing. Time to start being careful outside after dark.

I think I solved my bear/garbage problem, mainly by relocating the garbage cans (large 50 gallon wheeled things with lids). I put them actually closer to the house, between the fence line and a 12 foot square storage shed. I also put some metal plates through the lids that clamp to another metal plate.

But the location seems to be enough to keep the bears from bothering them. I suspect that they feel more cornered trying to maneuver in a closer space, and the dogs just on the other side if the fence.

It worked for most of the end of last summer, we'll see if this idea hold up this summer.

440 Ghazicide  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:08:38pm

re: #429 Walter L. Newton

I find the "scrooge" and "intimidation" style of retail management to be odd, that's all. I can certainly understand why I find so many employees, who do a really good job, but couldn't care less about anything else than coming into work, doing what they are expected to do, and then going home. Any feelings of belonging, of working in unison to improve the company, a real corporate loyalty, none of that... the mentality of management itself keeps most of the employees from caring much at all.

Long story short:

I left my old company (the Evil Empire) last year. Primary reason was other key guy in our office was royal douchebag, following 'intimidation/BS' style of management. I told owner, he said he wouldn't hire a shrink so we needed to find a way to get a long... I quit 3 months later.

Few days ago, a buddy still there is lamenting to me about what a douchebag he is, on Skype.

My buddy had just got a new laptop, old laptop turned in. Forgot to delete Skype password.

Douche is watching his Skype on his old laptop for a month. Buddy was wondering why Douche would say all the right things after he vented with other people.

Douche sent our chat to the owner.

Needless to say, Douche is about to have a mutiny on his hands because all the boys hate him. This event is just gas on the fire. If he doesn't get fired, the damage is done.

The best part about it? In my Skype I told my buddy "I feel for you but there's not a lot I can do. Honestly, as much as the fucker deserves some karma, he's good for my business. Clients hate him and drive business to me. So I want him to continue working there."

441 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:13:52pm

re: #440 BigPapa

Long story short:

I left my old company (the Evil Empire) last year. Primary reason was other key guy in our office was royal douchebag, following 'intimidation/BS' style of management. I told owner, he said he wouldn't hire a shrink so we needed to find a way to get a long... I quit 3 months later.

Few days ago, a buddy still there is lamenting to me about what a douchebag he is, on Skype.

My buddy had just got a new laptop, old laptop turned in. Forgot to delete Skype password.

Douche is watching his Skype on his old laptop for a month. Buddy was wondering why Douche would say all the right things after he vented with other people.

Douche sent our chat to the owner.

Needless to say, Douche is about to have a mutiny on his hands because all the boys hate him. This event is just gas on the fire. If he doesn't get fired, the damage is done.

The best part about it? In my Skype I told my buddy "I feel for you but there's not a lot I can do. Honestly, as much as the fucker deserves some karma, he's good for my business. Clients hate him and drive business to me. So I want him to continue working there."

Since I haven't been in retail all my life, I don't know if ALL retail operates like Kroger, but I only have Kroger to go by. Oh, I worked some short term retail jobs off and on over the years, but only as transition jobs, never for more than a few weeks.

But this is the first long term retail job I've had, and from what I hear "in the business," Kroger follows the old fashioned top down ivory tower business model, with a bunch of MBA's running the show.

Non-management employees have NO means of communicating anything to upper management in some sort of organized fashion.

I'll have been with the company a year, as of March 31st, and I have yet to see a single meeting of employees and management for any reason.

That's just odd.

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:17:20pm

re: #441 Walter L. Newton

Since I haven't been in retail all my life, I don't know if ALL retail operates like Kroger, but I only have Kroger to go by. Oh, I worked some short term retail jobs off and on over the years, but only as transition jobs, never for more than a few weeks.

But this is the first long term retail job I've had, and from what I hear "in the business," Kroger follows the old fashioned top down ivory tower business model, with a bunch of MBA's running the show.

Non-management employees have NO means of communicating anything to upper management in some sort of organized fashion.

I'll have been with the company a year, as of March 31st, and I have yet to see a single meeting of employees and management for any reason.

That's just odd.

The thing that bothered me about the last couple of retail jobs I applied for is the questionnaires and their obsession with theft.

Like if I was going to boost your stuff I would answer questions in a way that indicated it? Good grief. You haven't even HIRED me yet, and already you think I'm a thief.

443 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:19:30pm

Oh, BTW, is there any theorizing about using tidal motions, or deep-sea currents to produce power? Totally random question.

444 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:20:02pm

re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist

The thing that bothered me about the last couple of retail jobs I applied for is the questionnaires and their obsession with theft.

Like if I was going to boost your stuff I would answer questions in a way that indicated it? Good grief. You haven't even HIRED me yet, and already you think I'm a thief.

Yet, you cannot even approach a customer if you see or suspect that they may be up to something shady. Rule "inform your manager" Period.

445 Kragarghazi  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:20:53pm

re: #443 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, BTW, is there any theorizing about using tidal motions, or deep-sea currents to produce power? Totally random question.

Tidal power

446 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:21:38pm

re: #445 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tidal power

Ah, thanks! That's what I was looking for.

447 Ghazicide  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:25:14pm

re: #441 Walter L. Newton

Non-management employees have NO means of communicating anything to upper management in some sort of organized fashion.

I'll have been with the company a year, as of March 31st, and I have yet to see a single meeting of employees and management for any reason.

That's just odd.

They don't think it's important, or it's too expensive to have all the employees in one spot for 30 minutes.

There is some similarity to my situation: reputed firm, owner is a Dartmouth/USC MBA holder, pretty smart guy. I was the highest up the food chain with the actual 'down in the trenches' experience base in our business. Yet somehow we didn't do as well as they thought, so they kept changing things and trying new schemes to increase efficiency and productivity. These schemes were thought up with little input from the field, and the field was never invested in these new schemes because it was another stupid scheme thought up by management.

Then when I questioned those schemes challenged that thinking, Douche told me I 'wasn't being a Team player' since I wasn't going along with the plan. His plan, that nobody else thought was a great idea.

448 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:25:23pm

Well, I need to get some sleep eventually, so I'm headin' out for the night. Later, my fellow lizards.

449 Ghazicide  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:29:10pm

re: #445 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tidal power

There are discussions to get some tidal power devices between Maui, Molokai, and Oahu. It's far out and many environmental issues have to be navigated. If I can find the specific link I'll post it. Till then there's this.

450 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:34:29pm

re: #444 Walter L. Newton

Yet, you cannot even approach a customer if you see or suspect that they may be up to something shady. Rule "inform your manager" Period.

It's about lawsuits. If you stopped a customer and it turned up they had not stolen, the store could be sued for false arrest. I once had a manager who had to let kids he knew has stolen a cell phone go even after security had stopped them. The regional manager did not want to order them searched, as it would be a lawsuit if the search came up empty.

451 Ghazicide  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:48:22pm

3 charged in 'white power' attack in S.F.

Three men have been charged with assault and hate crimes for allegedly yelling "white power" while attacking two men from Mexico in San Francisco's Tenderloin neighborhood, authorities said Thursday.

Hm... I wonder what would happen if I entered the names on Facebook...interesting.... there they all are, very short hair, lots of tattoos. Hare Krishnas?

452 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 10:53:32pm

re: #451 BigPapa

3 charged in 'white power' attack in S.F.

Three men have been charged with assault and hate crimes for allegedly yelling "white power" while attacking two men from Mexico in San Francisco's Tenderloin neighborhood, authorities said Thursday.

Hm... I wonder what would happen if I entered the names on Facebook...interesting... there they all are, very short hair, lots of tattoos. Hare Krishnas?

I hate California Nazis!

453 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 11:16:56pm

re: #447 BigPapa

They don't think it's important, or it's too expensive to have all the employees in one spot for 30 minutes.

There is some similarity to my situation: reputed firm, owner is a Dartmouth/USC MBA holder, pretty smart guy. I was the highest up the food chain with the actual 'down in the trenches' experience base in our business. Yet somehow we didn't do as well as they thought, so they kept changing things and trying new schemes to increase efficiency and productivity. These schemes were thought up with little input from the field, and the field was never invested in these new schemes because it was another stupid scheme thought up by management.

Then when I questioned those schemes challenged that thinking, Douche told me I 'wasn't being a Team player' since I wasn't going along with the plan. His plan, that nobody else thought was a great idea.

I've been through a couple rounds of corporate efficiency and productivity programs. Plus 2-3 rounds of attempts to form a "friendly corporate culture", or at least some sort of common culture amongst the multiple plants. All have failed to a greater or lesser degree.

And right now I'm seeing attempt #4. However, with the current headquarters set-up there is a 20-24 seat lunchroom with a large TV (set to CNN usually) and essentially some strong official advice that the employees should use the lunchroom and not eat at their desks.

And as a result I've ended up eating sitting at a table and eating lunch and chatting with a visiting plant manager, the head of HR, and the VP of Finance at different times over the past two weeks. In my previous employment this is pretty much unthinkable outside of a special meeting/dinner that executives were at. There just wasn't mixing of that sort between the departments and up-down the chain that far.

454 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 11:20:34pm

Hey all

Puppy barked himself to sleep at 11ish. Woke-up 15 minutes ago, did his thing outside, did it again. He is now barking himself to sleep again. He'll be up at 5.

How are you-all?

455 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 11:22:11pm

re: #450 Dark_Falcon

It's about lawsuits. If you stopped a customer and it turned up they had not stolen, the store could be sued for false arrest. I once had a manager who had to let kids he knew has stolen a cell phone go even after security had stopped them. The regional manager did not want to order them searched, as it would be a lawsuit if the search came up empty.

sucks,

i think there is a $ limit before the police (or corporate) will prosecute anyway. So, if they steal a can of beans . . .

456 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 11:24:35pm

re: #444 Walter L. Newton

Yet, you cannot even approach a customer if you see or suspect that they may be up to something shady. Rule "inform your manager" Period.

or dangerous.

457 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 11:25:06pm

re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist

The thing that bothered me about the last couple of retail jobs I applied for is the questionnaires and their obsession with theft.

Like if I was going to boost your stuff I would answer questions in a way that indicated it? Good grief. You haven't even HIRED me yet, and already you think I'm a thief.

You'd be surprised . . .

458 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 11:25:37pm

night all!

;)

459 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 11:28:01pm

re: #458 ggt

night all!

;)

I'm going to bed too.

460 Ghazicide  Thu, Mar 17, 2011 11:36:18pm

re: #453 oaktree

I spent a long run in Silicon Valley during the start up era. I'm trying to think of how best to encapsulate a lot of the positives I perceived in the start up era. It sure seemed like there was a lot of people happy to work and nice places.

I remember the excesses, but also the CEO's of billion $ companies having cubicles and parking in the parking lot without their own stalls.

In the end, if the company is successful and you have people's passions ignited you're doing good.

461 ozbloke  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 12:59:46am

Military strikes on Libya within hours: France

The Agence France Presse news agency is reporting that the French government has said military action against Libya will come within "hours".

The strikes will come "rapidly... within a few hours," government spokesman Francois Baroin reportedly told RTL radio after the UN Security Council cleared the way for air strikes by approving "all necessary measures" to impose a no-fly zone on Libya.

"The French, who led the calls [for action], will of course be consistent with military intervention," Mr Baroin added.

Asked to specify what that meant, he said "they will participate" in operations.

Mr Baroin said the goal of the military action would be to "protect the Libyan people and to allow them to go all the way in their drive for freedom, which means bringing down the Gaddafi regime."

The United Nations authorised military strikes to protect Libyan civilians and curb leader Moamar Gaddafi's forces this morning, hours after Mr Gaddafi threatened to storm the rebel bastion of Benghazi.

It approved a resolution permitting "all necessary measures" to impose a no-fly zone, protect civilian areas and impose a ceasefire on government forces.

Diplomats have indicated that air strikes from a coalition led by Britain, France and the United States could be imminent. However, the resolution rules out sending in foreign ground troops.

More...

462 freetoken  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 2:13:47am

Only in Japan...

A Japanese "media artist" has put together his interpretation of what is happening in Fukushima:

Youtube Video

Some added English translations:

Youtube Video

It's simultaneously pathetic and hilarious.

Only in Japan.

463 freetoken  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 2:56:17am

US Troops Ready to Enter Japan's Nuclear Danger Zone


The commander of U.S. military forces in the Pacific says he is sending his troops into the danger zone near the Japan's crippled nuclear power plants as needed, and if necessary he will send more to help prevent a meltdown of the reactors' fuel and the release of large amounts of harmful radiation.

[...]

464 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 3:24:33am

re: #450 Dark_Falcon

It's about lawsuits. If you stopped a customer and it turned up they had not stolen, the store could be sued for false arrest. I once had a manager who had to let kids he knew has stolen a cell phone go even after security had stopped them. The regional manager did not want to order them searched, as it would be a lawsuit if the search came up empty.

What if you got attacked attempting to stop someone and you ended up getting injured? A business night say they never authorized you to do it. Then there you are. With your injury.

465 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 3:31:00am

are you fucking kidding me

Youtube Video
466 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 3:31:44am

re: #465 WindUpBird

that's tsunami footage from inside a moving vehicle as the tsunami overtakes the vehicle o.o

467 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 3:38:13am

well,,,

THAT sucked

A work project that usually should take me about 2 1/2 to 3 hours just took over 5 hours

Thanks a PantLoad, MCL Transmitters, for changing the configuration of the pins on your interface port AFTER we had re-wired and re-configured our entire wiring scheme to match your last "NEW" configuration (less than 8 months ago)

THERES 3 hours of my life i'll never get back!!

468 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 3:38:23am

oh , and good morning!

469 researchok  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 3:41:53am

Morning, all

470 researchok  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 3:42:30am

re: #467 sattv4u2

well,,,

THAT sucked

A work project that usually should take me about 2 1/2 to 3 hours just took over 5 hours

Thanks a PantLoad, MCL Transmitters, for changing the configuration of the pins on your interface port AFTER we had re-wired and re-configured our entire wiring scheme to match your last "NEW" configuration (less than 8 months ago)

THERES 3 hours of my life i'll never get back!!

Welcome to my world.

471 researchok  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 3:45:53am

re: #465 WindUpBird

are you fucking kidding me

[Video]

unreal

472 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 3:50:55am

re: #470 researchok

Welcome to my world.

I abhor making and soldering 16 pin connectors (their "old" configuration was a 12 pin)

We have over 3 dozen transmitters here. When we switched from our old style ones to MCL's new ones (8 months ago) we rewired our entire facility from the transmitters (located on 4 different buildings) to the control room.

Added a transmitter last night and lo and behold, they've changed! According to their engineer I spoke with this morning they made a "mistake" with the ones we just bought 8-9 months ago

Oh,, Joy. Wait til my bosses boss gets my report later today!

473 researchok  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 3:52:41am

re: #472 sattv4u2

I abhor making and soldering 16 pin connectors (their "old" configuration was a 12 pin)

We have over 3 dozen transmitters here. When we switched from our old style ones to MCL's new ones (8 months ago) we rewired our entire facility from the transmitters (located on 4 different buildings) to the control room.

Added a transmitter last night and lo and behold, they've changed! According to their engineer I spoke with this morning they made a "mistake" with the ones we just bought 8-9 months ago

Oh,, Joy. Wait til my bosses boss gets my report later today!

My grief originated with more animate objects.

People.

474 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:09:37am

re: #70 Lidane

You're looking at this exactly backwards.

If a book costs $7.99 in paperback and $19.99 in hardcover, but only $.99 for the Kindle version, I could see buying the Kindle version because of the lower entry barrier and because, like you said, you can have several books going on at once without much investment. But here's what you're missing -- the books already have a price point.

The NYT, on the other hand, has offered all of its content online for FREE for years. Now they're wanting to charge a full $15 a month for it. They're going from zero to a monthly fee. You can't do that and expect people to play along. They'll just find another free source of news rather than pay the money. There are, after all, plenty of options for free news, and from major, comparable sources to the NYT. That's the point. Few, if any, people will go from getting something at will for free to paying a premium for the same content, especially when they have other options.

My mother will continue to pay the premium price for the NY Times just for their crossword puzzle.

475 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:22:48am

re: #461 ozbloke

Military strikes on Libya within hours: France

The Agence France Presse news agency is reporting that the French government has said military action against Libya will come within "hours".

The strikes will come "rapidly... within a few hours," government spokesman Francois Baroin reportedly told RTL radio after the UN Security Council cleared the way for air strikes by approving "all necessary measures" to impose a no-fly zone on Libya.

Since they're already going to be there maybe they can swing by Abdelbaset al-Megrahi's house and do the job his cancer refuses to do.

476 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:22:59am

and Good Morning All!

477 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:26:47am

'Morning.

478 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:31:08am

Definite Lizard shift-change, we're punching in the morning crew.

479 researchok  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:35:40am

re: #478 Decatur Deb

Definite Lizard shift-change, we're punching in the morning crew.

Lunch buckets on parade.

480 researchok  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:36:46am

Going to be 82 here today!

481 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:38:33am

re: #480 researchok

Going to be 82 here today!

Congrats

I'm old ,, but not THAT old!!
Will there be cake ??
///

482 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:41:30am

re: #479 researchok

Lunch buckets on parade.

On the refrigerator assembly line, the guards used to check incoming lunch boxes as well as the outgoing. They kept the alcohol so scarce that the hard-core guys made wine in their changing lockers:

1 can of Welches grape juice/ 1 cake of bakers' yeast/ 2 lbs sugar/ fill remaining gallon jug with water, put balloon over spout. When the balloon inflates and deflates it's party time.

483 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:43:28am

re: #134 negativ

Seriously, there's no such thing as a 'Summer Glau Curse'.

If you don't read that, I'm going to force you to attend a Comic Con and then dismember you in the hotel bathtub afterwards.

Great comment thread:


I heard Summer Glau is going to be the Cubs starting second baseman this year.

She was on the very last Pan Am flight.

She was last seen bagging books at Borders. Trufax.

484 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:44:53am

re: #482 Decatur Deb

On the refrigerator assembly line, the guards used to check incoming lunch boxes as well as the outgoing. They kept the alcohol so scarce that the hard-core guys made wine in their changing lockers:

1 can of Welches grape juice/ 1 cake of bakers' yeast/ 2 lbs sugar/ fill remaining gallon jug with water, put balloon over spout. When the balloon inflates and deflates it's party time.

Mmmm. Replace the yeast with a piece of bread and you have the makings of a high quality prison wine.

485 researchok  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:45:35am

re: #481 sattv4u2

Congrats

I'm old ,, but not THAT old!!
Will there be cake ??
///

Always cake.

486 researchok  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:46:49am

re: #482 Decatur Deb

On the refrigerator assembly line, the guards used to check incoming lunch boxes as well as the outgoing. They kept the alcohol so scarce that the hard-core guys made wine in their changing lockers:

1 can of Welches grape juice/ 1 cake of bakers' yeast/ 2 lbs sugar/ fill remaining gallon jug with water, put balloon over spout. When the balloon inflates and deflates it's party time.

re: #484 RogueOne

Mmmm. Replace the yeast with a piece of bread and you have the makings of a high quality prison wine.

I want to ask, but I won't.

487 researchok  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:47:40am

BBL

Time to haul coal.

488 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:47:55am

re: #485 researchok

Always cake.

Everybody loves Cake. I have my tickets for the May 15 @ Murat in Indy:

Youtube Video
489 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:49:02am

re: #487 researchok

BBL

Time to haul coal.

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays!!

490 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:49:04am

re: #486 researchok

I know a lot of criminals. I also know a lot of cops/judges but the criminals throw much better parties....just don't drink the wine.

491 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:49:51am

re: #484 RogueOne

Mmmm. Replace the yeast with a piece of bread and you have the makings of a high quality prison wine.

There is an overlap of cultures.

492 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:52:07am

re: #490 RogueOne

I know a lot of criminals. I also know a lot of cops/judges but the criminals throw much better parties...just don't drink the wine.

The whites are cheeky, with a reminisce of trichloroethylene.

493 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:55:48am

re: #492 Decatur Deb

The whites are cheeky, with a reminisce of trichloroethylene.

I'm going to write that down!

494 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:58:13am

MSNBC has someone in Chernobyl. She said Ukraine has opened it up for tourism. There's a spring break local that I'm sure the kids will want to hit.

495 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 4:58:39am

re: #475 RogueOne

Since they're already going to be there maybe they can swing by Abdelbaset al-Megrahi's house and do the job his cancer refuses to do.

I think they should crash an old airliner into his house.

Also, Good Morning Honcos

496 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:02:27am

re: #495 rwdflynavy

I think they should crash an old airliner into his house.

Also, Good Morning Honcos

'Morning--looks like the noflynavy business is picking up.

497 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:02:33am

re: #495 rwdflynavy

I think they should crash an old airliner into his house.

Also, Good Morning Honcos

Waste of a good used airliner, if you ask me

Could get the same thing done with a rusty old butter knife

498 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:03:58am

re: #494 RogueOne

MSNBC has someone in Chernobyl. She said Ukraine has opened it up for tourism. There's a spring break local that I'm sure the kids will want to hit.

It's been open for quite some time. The hoax part of "Kid of Speed" is not that she didn't visit Chernobyl (she did) but that she rode through it alone on her bike, when she actually visited as part of a guided tour.

499 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:05:47am

re: #498 Alouette

Kidd of Speed is a new one for me.

500 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:28:59am

re: #475 RogueOne

Since they're already going to be there maybe they can swing by Abdelbaset al-Megrahi's house and do the job his cancer refuses to do.

Morning.
Nothing like telling someone you plan to bomb, when you plan to do it./

501 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:35:27am

re: #500 Naso Tang

Morning.
Nothing like telling someone you plan to bomb, when you plan to do it./

Somewhere, Generals Eisenhower, Bradley, MacArthur and Patton are spinning in their graves

502 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:36:04am

Good morning lizards!

Developments in Japan's quake, nuclear crisis

_ ATTEMPTS TO COOL REACTORS: Military fire trucks spray seawater for a second day on the stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex in a desperate attempt to prevent its fuel from overheating and spewing dangerous radiation. A U.S. military fire truck joins six Japanese vehicles, but is apparently driven by Japanese workers. Japanese air force says some water appears to be reaching its target.

_ SEVERITY LEVEL OF ACCIDENT RAISED: Japan's nuclear safety agency raises the rating of the nuclear accident from 4 to 5 on a 7-level international scale, making it the same as the U.S. Three Mile Island nuclear accident in 1979. Four of the six reactor units at the Fukushima plant have experienced fires, explosions or partial meltdowns since last Friday's 9.0-magnitude quake and tsunami knocked out power to cooling systems.

_ IAEA CALLS ACCIDENT "EXTREMELY SERIOUS." The head of the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency says authorities are "racing against the clock" to cool the complex and calls the accident "extremely serious."

503 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:42:33am

Up early, got a doctors appointment in 30 minutes (yes, we have doctors up here in the mountains... just 10 minutes away)... we had a quick dumper last night... 5 inches of new snow.

504 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:44:44am

re: #501 sattv4u2

Somewhere, Generals Eisenhower, Bradley, MacArthur and Patton are spinning in their graves

I don't get it.

The British are "getting ready", and the French say they plan to do something soon. Were they on vacation the past weeks?

Nothing has changed since yesterday or the day before, but nothing has been done immediately after the vote when it might have been less anticipated.

If they are holding off because the nutter called for a cease fire, or threatened civilian airliners I'm going to barf.

505 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:44:59am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

Up early, got a doctors appointment in 30 minutes (yes, we have doctors up here in the mountains... just 10 minutes away)... we had a quick dumper last night... 5 inches of new snow.

Build a snowman!

506 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:45:33am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

Up early, got a doctors appointment in 30 minutes (yes, we have doctors up here in the mountains... just 10 minutes away)... we had a quick dumper last night... 5 inches of new snow.


Did you flush and wash your hands, young man !?!?!

507 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:46:04am

I mentioned the other day that part of the problem with dumping lousy cops is having to deal with both the civilian boards and their union. Example #103,547:

Fired officer returning to work
[Link: www.newsandsentinel.com...]


MARIETTA - A Marietta police officer terminated nearly two years ago upon accusations he had sexual relations while on duty is returning to work on Monday.

Joe Hilverding, terminated in June 2009, admitted the affair, but denied it took place while he was working. Other Marietta police and fire employees also admitted to on-duty sexual encounters with the same woman who accused Hilverding.
....
When he returns to work Monday, Hilverding will receive gross back pay of $36,456, plus an additional $12,000. The arbitrator ordered the city pay $1,000 a month between June 2009 and June 2010.
....
In addition to that money, Dauber said the city would also pay $1,307 into workers' compensation, $718 into Medicaid, $7,322 into retirement and $1,093 into a longevity account for Hilverding.

"The city also paid around $9,000 unemployment following his termination," Dauber said.

Legal fees amounted to about $50,000 for the city.

508 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:49:14am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

That's cute. A nice clean snowfall is called a dumper.

509 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:49:41am

Morning, folks.

This just in:

News Alert
from The Wall Street Journal


Musa Kousa, Libya's foreign minister, told reporters in Tripoli that his country will abide by the United Nations resolution and will implement an immediate cease-fire and an end to all military operations across the country.

A day earlier, the United Nations Security Council authorized military force against Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s security forces, opening the way for European and U.S. airstrikes within days.

[Link: online.wsj.com?mod=djemalertNEWS...]

510 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:50:03am

re: #504 Naso Tang

I don't get it.

The British are "getting ready", and the French say they plan to do something soon. Were they on vacation the past weeks?

Nothing has changed since yesterday or the day before, but nothing has been done immediately after the vote when it might have been less anticipated.

If they are holding off because the nutter called for a cease fire, or threatened civilian airliners I'm going to barf.

Maybe they are waiting for Mo to finish so they don't have to worry about attacking any Libyan planes flying around.

BENGHAZI, Libya — In a show of defiance, Moammar Gadhafi's forces bombarded the last rebel-held western city for a second day Friday as the international community raced to stop him after the U.N. authorized "all necessary measures" to protect the Libyan people, including airstrikes.

The attack on Misrata, Libya's third-largest city, comes as the rebels were on the defensive in their eastern stronghold after Gadhafi vowed to launch a final assault and crush the nearly 5-week-old rebellion against him.

511 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:51:44am

re: #509 garhighway

Morning, folks.

This just in:

News Alert
from The Wall Street Journal


Musa Kousa, Libya's foreign minister, told reporters in Tripoli that his country will abide by the United Nations resolution and will implement an immediate cease-fire and an end to all military operations across the country.

A day earlier, the United Nations Security Council authorized military force against Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s security forces, opening the way for European and U.S. airstrikes within days.

[Link: online.wsj.com?mod=djemalertNEWS...]

I think that guy is full of shit.

(just one lizard's opinion)

512 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:51:48am

re: #509 garhighway

Musa Kousa, Libya's foreign minister

The Bahgdad Bob of this decade?

513 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:53:55am

re: #509 garhighway

Musa Kousa, Libya's foreign minister, told reporters in Tripoli that his country will abide by the United Nations resolution and will implement an immediate cease-fire and an end to all military operations across the country.

Now the "allies" are going to run around in circles like chickens with their heads cut off, while Gaddafi takes a little break.

514 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:54:02am

re: #507 RogueOne

I mentioned the other day that part of the problem with dumping lousy cops is having to deal with both the civilian boards and their union. Example #103,547:

Fired officer returning to work
[Link: www.newsandsentinel.com...]

What makes you think he's a lousy cop? Sounds like he was wrongfully fired. The courts and arbitrator agree.

515 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:57:17am

Gadhafi: We'll Shoot Down Passenger Jets

Moammar Gadhafi is not taking the UN resolution authorizing military attacks against him well. Last night, his defense ministry warned that Libya might retaliate against "any foreign military act" by attacking "all air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean Sea" as well as "civilian and military" facilities, the Telegraph reports. Meanwhile, son Seif al-Islam played good cop, appearing to tell Christiane Amanpour of ABC News that Libya would release its captive New York Times journalists.

In Seif’s telling, Libyans view the French, British, and Arab League as their enemies, but “for the first time in modern history, they like the Americans and are happy with America.” When asked about the journalists, he said, “You know, they entered the country illegally … and they arrest her because you know foreigners in this place. But then they were happy because they found out she is American, not European. And thanks to that she will be free tomorrow.”

516 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:58:17am

re: #511 NJDhockeyfan

re: #512 sattv4u2

re: #513 Naso Tang

You could all be right. Libya could be saying what it thinks it needs to say to keep bombs from dropping. The proof's in the pudding: do the tanks stop rolling?

We'll see. If Quaddafi's smart and rational (not a foregone conclusion, by any means) he knows he can't go toe-to-toe with NATO. But that doesn't stop him from doing other evil shit on the ground.

So this could be a long-term exercise, not a short-term one.

517 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 5:58:19am

re: #507 RogueOne

I mentioned the other day that part of the problem with dumping lousy cops is having to deal with both the civilian boards and their union. Example #103,547:]

I'm trying to understand why you mentioned the union. Arbitration is a civil service function. the union doesn't have input.

518 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:00:35am

re: #507 RogueOne

I mentioned the other day that part of the problem with dumping lousy cops is having to deal with both the civilian boards and their union. Example #103,547:

Fired officer returning to work
[Link: www.newsandsentinel.com...]

Due process is a bitch, isn't it?

519 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:02:45am

re: #514 Killgore Trout

What makes you think he's a lousy cop? Sounds like he was wrongfully fired. The courts and arbitrator agree.

In that case there were half a dozen county employees that was sleeping with that woman. Everyone was fired. If the police chief believes the cop should be fired (which is a rarity) then it should be his prerogative to fire someone whose detrimental to his force.

520 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:03:21am

Did Hillary finally push Obama into action on Libya?

Has there been a falling-out between President Obama and his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton?

Well before yesterday's UN vote in favour of intervention in Libya, she chose this week to reveal bluntly that she was not going to serve in any second-term Obama administration (she said she wouldn't run for the presidency either). And when pressed by President Sarkozy for a stronger stance on Libya, with a push at the UN, she replied simply: "There are difficulties."

What difficulties? Well, the initial explanation was that they came from China and Russia at the UN. But according to a recently launched blog, The Daily, Clinton is tired of dealing with "a bunch of amateurs" - Obama's team - and "especially peeved with the President's waffling over how to encourage the kinds of Arab uprisings that have recently toppled regimes in Egypt and Tunisia, and in particular his refusal to back a no-fly zone over Libya".

Will Hillary last to the end of the year or will she split early? Time will tell.

521 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:03:30am

re: #518 garhighway

Due process is a bitch, isn't it?

Yup.

[Link: www.citybeat.com...]

One of the most egregious examples of a police officer reinstated to duty was Rolando Underwood, whose supervisors tried to fire him three times over a decade. Underwood was disciplined for leaving a security detail to have sex, investigated for smoking marijuana in his police cruiser and was present at the off-duty shooting death of another officer. Records show he was arrested five times, received eight written reprimands and was suspended from duty at least twice. Each time Underwood's superiors attempted to fire him, the police union defended him and arbitrators ordered him rehired.

Cincinnati, we can't have nothin' nice.

522 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:04:18am

re: #516 garhighway

So this could be a long-term exercise, not a short-term one.

Only if Gaddafi is allowed to call the shots, which I fear he will be.

523 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:04:23am

re: #519 RogueOne

What if the police chief believes that cops who wont beat black people are detrimental to his force?

524 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:04:31am

re: #519 RogueOne

In that case there were half a dozen county employees that was sleeping with that woman. Everyone was fired. If the police chief believes the cop should be fired (which is a rarity) then it should be his prerogative to fire someone whose detrimental to his force.

She gets around, doesn't she?

525 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:05:29am

re: #517 dmon

I'm trying to understand why you mentioned the union. Arbitration is a civil service function. the union doesn't have input.

Because it was the union that filed the complaints. How many links do I have to post where the police union defends their members even against charges that resulted in a civilians death. Start here and scroll:

[Link: twitter.com...]

526 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:05:53am

re: #523 dmon

What if the police chief believes that cops who wont beat black people are detrimental to his force?

Got a link for that?

527 Jadespring  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:07:34am

Nic Robertson reporting from Tripoli that there is still fighting going on in a town 600 miles from Tripoli. Not clear who is firing except that it's happening.

It's quite possible that G is talking out of part of his ass. We're stopping! But not really totally stopping.

528 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:07:42am

re: #525 RogueOne

Because it was the union that filed the complaints. How many links do I have to post where the police union defends their members even against charges that resulted in a civilians death. Start here and scroll:

[Link: twitter.com...]

It's the union's role to defend their members. If they're wrong, they'll lose. The system works better that way. The union steward isn't the judge, just part of the process.

529 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:07:47am

re: #523 dmon

What if the police chief believes that cops who wont beat black people are detrimental to his force?

The chances that the union would defend a cop for beating black motorists are quite a bit higher. How many links to prove that assertion would you like?

530 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:08:38am

re: #525 RogueOne

It is the Unions legal duty to represent them, they aren't allowed to pick and choose based on someones acts. All the union can do is guarantee that the employee gets due process, then it is out of their hands.

The unions have no power to prevent a firing, if the firing is reversed by a court, its usually because the employer didnt follow the law in the process.

531 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:08:44am

re: #519 RogueOne

In that case there were half a dozen county employees that was sleeping with that woman. Everyone was fired. If the police chief believes the cop should be fired (which is a rarity) then it should be his prerogative to fire someone whose detrimental to his force.

Factually, there are two ways this could have happened:

1> He was boning her during work hours, or
2> he was boning her on his own time.

I assume that you would agree that if it was 2, then he might be a dick, but he doesn't get fired. If it was 1, he should go.

So this is a question of fact. On that question of fact, they held a hearing, called witnesses, looked at evidence, and found that the evidence in favor of 1 was unpersuasive.

So you don't get to rewrite the record in order to register disapproval. The boss didn't have the goods. He doesn't get to fire the guy just because. That is the essence of due process. Sometimes people have rights.

532 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:10:30am

re: #523 dmon

What if the police chief believes that cops who wont beat black people are detrimental to his force?

Here's a good one to start. Houston has had a cop problem for quite awhile, here's part of the reason why:

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Tonight, the truth about Houston police brutality complaints -- they virtually never result in an officer getting punished.
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]


HPD will tell you that 50 percent of all complaints to internal affairs prove true. But when it comes to complaints of excessive force, well, see what happens.

It's the video that was seen around the world, and by the time you got to see it, a Houston police internal investigation found that four of the cops you see in the video used excessive force.

But if you believe HPD internal affairs, those cops were the only Houston street cops last year who used unnecessary force in a police force of more than 5,300 officers.
.....
The Houston NAACP president is now reacting to the latest 13 Undercover exclusive. We've learned in 2010, not a single citizen complaint against a Houston cop for unnecessary force was sustained. Not one. And there were 239 complaints.

"The system is basically rigged, and it's rigged in favor of the police," Coffield said.
.....
During the last decade, 2,135 complaints about alleged police brutality. Only 33 were sustained -- less than two percent. And if you count only citizen complaints, the number of times the brutality allegation has been confirmed is just 16 -- 16 of more than 2,100.

"And that's why there is so much anger in the black community and Hispanic community in particular because we know we are being beaten and abused but nothing has been done about it," community activist Quanell X said.

533 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:10:52am

re: #528 Decatur Deb

It's the union's role to defend their members. If they're wrong, they'll lose. The system works better that way. The union steward isn't the judge, just part of the process.

Yeah, well, not when it's your town,

[Link: news.cincinnati.com...]

One officer tackled an unarmed Alzheimer's patient, resulting in a $700,000 settlement. Another was accused of shooting a woman with a Taser and then taunting her. Two others drove a drunken woman home and had sex with her while on duty.

Police administrators fired all the officers, including one who was fired twice.

But many of them are back at work today.

Round these parts, it's not justice being served.

534 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:11:44am

re: #527 Jadespring

Nic Robertson reporting from Tripoli that there is still fighting going on in a town 600 miles from Tripoli. Not clear who is firing except that it's happening.

It's quite possible that G is talking out of part of his ass. We're stopping! But not really totally stopping.

He'll stop flying his planes and instead go house to house killing his civilians. The Allies will just fly around and watch and the UN will decide to do nothing about it.

535 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:11:47am

re: #530 dmon

It is the Unions legal duty to represent them, they aren't allowed to pick and choose based on someones acts. All the union can do is guarantee that the employee gets due process, then it is out of their hands.

The unions have no power to prevent a firing, if the firing is reversed by a court, its usually because the employer didnt follow the law in the process.

Not a court, an arbitrator.

536 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:12:29am

re: #533 Jeff In Ohio

Yeah, well, not when it's your town,

[Link: news.cincinnati.com...]

Round these parts, it's not justice being served.

For the record, my brother-i-L is a hamilton county sheriffs deputy.

537 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:12:54am

re: #522 Naso Tang

Only if Gaddafi is allowed to call the shots, which I fear he will be.

Does NATO want to be seen bombing Libya and killing Libyans when Quaddafi says they've stood down? Beats me.

The good news is that it should be relatively easy to verify whether the big stuff has stopped. The bad news is that he can still kill people with small arms.

538 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:14:02am

re: #536 RogueOne

For the record, my brother-i-L is a hamilton county sheriffs deputy.

And I want him to have representation when he goes up against charges from a pissed-off supervisor or a pissed-off perp.

539 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:14:12am

re: #533 Jeff In Oh
Im up here Dayton, we've fired 4 firefighters in the last 9 months, none have gotten their jobs back, nor does it look good for any of them.

If the city dots their I's, and crosses their T's its not tough to fire someone..... if they fail to do things correctly they'll lose at arbitration.

A fired employee getting their job back is normally a case of bad managers, managing badly

540 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:14:26am

re: #538 Decatur Deb

And I want him to have representation when he goes up against charges from a pissed-off supervisor or a pissed-off perp.

Commie.

/

541 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:15:32am

re: #539 dmon

If the city dots their I's, and crosses their T's its not tough to fire someone... if they fail to do things correctly they'll lose at arbitration.

A fired employee getting their job back is normally a case of bad managers, managing badly

Precisely.

542 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:15:42am

More on Libya:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

543 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:17:17am

re: #524 NJDhockeyfan

She gets around, doesn't she?

Yeah, sounds like she has a uniform fetish and probably isn't mentally stable. I'll stick with the courts on this one.

544 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:18:16am

re: #543 Killgore Trout

Yeah, sounds like she has a uniform fetish and probably isn't mentally stable. I'll stick with the courts on this one.

OR ,, you could go out and rent a firemans uniform and get lucky!!

545 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:18:32am

As far as citizen complaints, for 3 years my job was to investigate complaints and suggest discipline. I had a hand in 3 firings over that time. Others were reprimanded or suspended.

The chief of the deprtment takes complaints seriously, he follows the book, if he fires you, you aint gettin your job back.

BTW the rank and file didnt miss any of the firees a bit.

546 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:18:53am

re: #531 garhighway

Here's what happens:

May 2008: Cop beats motorist on video, keeps job.
[Link: jonathanturley.org...]

August 2008: Same cop murders hispanic man for sitting outside and smoking:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

That officer was not only NOT charged with a crime, he's still on the job.

547 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:21:27am

re: #544 sattv4u2

OR ,, you could go out and rent a firemans uniform and get lucky!!

Be careful, your pictures could end up on some swinger website.

548 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:21:58am

re: #546 RogueOne

The cities and counties are scared to death of lawsuits, they try to minimize anything that happens. Ive seen it myself through the years. An employee commits serious misconduct, the department is aware but doesnt discipline the employee.

Once thy discipline there is a public record. unions arent the reason bad employees stay on the job.....as i said...all the union can do is ensure all the steps are followed

549 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:22:11am

re: #536 RogueOne

For the record, my brother-i-L is a hamilton county sheriffs deputy.

Don't don't tase me bro! I have a local fan whose a deputy for the county. We call him Ken The Cop and thought for a couple years he was doing undercover work in the local music scene. Turns out he likes music, drinking in bars and smoking weed while off duty. Nice guy.

550 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:22:28am

re: #546 RogueOne

Here's what happens:

May 2008: Cop beats motorist on video, keeps job.
[Link: jonathanturley.org...]

August 2008: Same cop murders hispanic man for sitting outside and smoking:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

That officer was not only NOT charged with a crime, he's still on the job.

Do you think it's the union that's keeping him there? If he's guilty why isn't he in prison? That town has a bigger problem than an overzealous union rep.

551 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:24:53am

re: #547 NJDhockeyfan

Be careful, your pictures could end up on some swinger website.

again ?!?!

552 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:26:40am

Israeli navy intercepts Egypt-bound ship with arms


JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel says its navy has intercepted a ship carrying a large delivery of weapons off the country's Mediterranean coast.

The military says the ship originated in Turkey and was bound for Egypt. But it gave no details on what types of arms were on board or for whom the delivery was bound.

In the past, Israel has accused Hamas militants of shipping arms through Egypt. The military says the ship is German-owned and operated by a French shipping company.

It says Tuesday's interception occurred about 200 miles (320 kilometers) off Israel's Mediterranean coast.

553 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:27:12am

re: #546 RogueOne

Here's what happens:

May 2008: Cop beats motorist on video, keeps job.
[Link: jonathanturley.org...]

August 2008: Same cop murders hispanic man for sitting outside and smoking:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

That officer was not only NOT charged with a crime, he's still on the job.

Interesting that there is nothing in either article saying something like "officials said they have tried to fire the officer for years but union officials prevented it".

Are there bad cops in the world? You bet. My guess, unsupported by any evidence other than my own knowledge of that world from my lawyering days, is that in most cases the department closes ranks around the bad cop and enables his behavior. Because each of them has had a traffic stop where the driver they pulled over was mouthy, and they all have wanted to punch the guy out. I agree that isn't right, but if you are going to blame unions for the existence and employment of all the bad cops in the world, I think you have got to do way better than random clips of police misbehavior.

554 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:28:15am

Another recent story:

Davie paying officer to not work — for 7 years
[Link: articles.sun-sentinel.com...]


The Davie Police Department hasn't let Officer Kevin Kilpatrick report to duty for seven years — but still pays him $80,275 annually.

He has made more than $550,000 for not working.

Kilpatrick, 41, has been investigated on accusations involving a domestic abuse call cover-up as well as a DUI charge. The department fired him twice, and twice he won his job back — once from an arbitrator, once from a federal judge.
.....
According to court records, George placed Kilpatrick on paid leave in October 2003 over complaints about "actions you have taken toward your fellow officers" and launched an internal investigation into whether he violated a direct order to stay away from members of the department's Special Investigation Unit. The case ended with a finding that he violated lawful orders.

While still on paid leave, Kilpatrick became the subject of another internal investigation, into an alleged DUI. A jury found him not guilty in September 2004 but, after an internal affairs investigation into the incident, the chief fired Kilpatrick the following February for violating department policy.

A year later, an arbitrator ruled Davie was wrong to terminate Kilpatrick and reduced his discipline to a 10-day suspension. The arbitrator awarded back pay and restored Kilpatrick's benefits and seniority.

I want my local PD to be able to fire cops they feel aren't fit to carry a badge and a gun. I don't think that's asking for too much.

555 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:28:37am

re: #539 dmon

If the city dots their I's, and crosses their T's its not tough to fire someone... if they fail to do things correctly they'll lose at arbitration.

A fired employee getting their job back is normally a case of bad managers, managing badly

I don't have a problem with that summary. Shitty managers hire and produce shitty employees who are defended and reinstated to be shittily managed again till they actually break a law that prevents them from being rehired.

Unfortunately with cops, those shitty employees who are being shittily managed have guns, tasers and lots of implied authority and they work around me and my friends.

"We have a broken system in our city," said Christopher Smitherman, president of the local NAACP chapter.

Er, yup!

556 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:29:53am

re: #555 Jeff In Ohio

I agree that there are problems, my objection is when people blame the union, the unions do not have the power to prevent a firing

557 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:30:15am

re: #549 Jeff In Ohio

Don't don't tase me bro! I have a local fan whose a deputy for the county. We call him Ken The Cop and thought for a couple years he was doing undercover work in the local music scene. Turns out he likes music, drinking in bars and smoking weed while off duty. Nice guy.

My B-I-L and best friend are both cops and both very good guys. I would absolutely trust them with my life. Now, the other cops I've met at their house parties? Not so much... BTW, here I'm considered a right-winger but there I'm the damn dirty hippie.

558 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:30:24am

re: #553 garhighway

Unions don't really have a damn thing to do with it.

The problem is, as you said, the unity of cops- -they really live in a very different world, and have a very skewed aspect because of it-- and the nature of the office of the public prosecutor. Since it's a political office, prosecuting cops, making the city look bad-- that'd not generally going to happen. Furthermore, cops that are willing to bend/push the rules to get convictions are useful to prosecutors.

It's a classic problem; we need an Internal Affairs department that's at the federal or state level, or just wildly independent, to do actual oversight.

559 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:30:56am

re: #557 RogueOne

My B-I-L and best friend are both cops and both very good guys. I would absolutely trust them with my life. Now, the other cops I've met at their house parties? Not so much... BTW, here I'm considered a right-winger but there I'm the damn dirty hippie.

Well,, you could consider taking a bath!

560 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:32:05am

re: #553 garhighway

If you'll look back through my comments I never said the union was the only reason they have problems getting rid of cops. I also placed part of the blame on the civilian review boards (which is a problem in Indy).

561 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:32:10am

re: #554 RogueOne

I want my local PD to be able to fire cops they feel aren't fit to carry a badge and a gun. I don't think that's asking for too much.

Why on earth do you trust whoever's in charge of the police department to make smart decisions on that? That's the part of your argument that makes zero sense.

That way lies a corrupt chief of police stacking the department with his cronies, just as easily as it does a stalwart chief firing the bad apples.

So why do you think it's a solution?

562 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:32:57am

re: #554 RogueOne

Another recent story:

Davie paying officer to not work — for 7 years
[Link: articles.sun-sentinel.com...]

I want my local PD to be able to fire cops they feel aren't fit to carry a badge and a gun. I don't think that's asking for too much.

The problem is that the right to fire without due process means that the same boss could be firing cops for not supporting a favored councilman, not cleaning the bosses garage, not overlooking crime the boss wants overlooked and a myriad of other kinds of bad shit. You take the bad with the good and look at whether we are all better off in the aggregate. And try to improve the parts of the process that can bear it.

563 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:35:58am

re: #506 sattv4u2

Did you flush and wash your hands, young man !?!?!

Ok... I'm back. Just a blood draw... routine maintenance.

564 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:36:09am

The state and local governments determine the written policies and procedures for termination, if they dont follow their own procedures, the employee gets their job back.

I took an obviously drunk firefighter in for testing. The process the city set up didnt take into account that since we work 24 / 7. That the company they contracted with for the testing wasnt open on a Saturday morning.

The firefighter got free one. A few months later they found something else to fire them for, the employee lost their appeals, and wont be coming back.

The point is that the city dropped the ball in the original instance.

565 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:36:13am

re: #560 RogueOne

If you'll look back through my comments I never said the union was the only reason they have problems getting rid of cops. I also placed part of the blame on the civilian review boards (which is a problem in Indy).

I agree that having a finder of fact that disagrees with you is very frustrating. I would be a way better lawyer if I had the ability to impose my (obviously 100% correct) worldview on the finders of fact I encounter.

566 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:36:47am

re: #561 Obdicut

Why on earth do you trust whoever's in charge of the police department to make smart decisions on that? That's the part of your argument that makes zero sense.

The people in charge of the departments (the mayor for local pd and a Sheriff for county) are elected offices. The manner in which they handle their jobs is controlled directly by voters. That doesn't mean it's always the best person for the job but at least the majority of voters have their say in who/how the departments should be run.

567 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:38:04am

Obama weighs talking to the Taliban, Hezbollah

In a rapidly changing Islamic world, the Obama administration is weighing how best to talk with adversaries such as the Taliban and, perhaps, Hezbollah.

Yes, lets talk with terrorists! What could possible go wrong with that?

568 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:39:51am

re: #558 Obdicut

We have the Police Commission here. From what I have read and seen for myself in some open public testimony there, they in my opinion have swung the pendulum too far against the PD. A presumption of guilt just pervades their words and more than a few actions. It's as if we have two extremes attempting to be balance. What we have is polarization.

569 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:41:07am

re: #561 Obdicut

Why on earth do you trust whoever's in charge of the police department to make smart decisions on that? That's the part of your argument that makes zero sense.

That way lies a corrupt chief of police stacking the department with his cronies, just as easily as it does a stalwart chief firing the bad apples.

So why do you think it's a solution?

Why on earth do you immediately suspect that whoever is in charge of the police dept is some corrupt cronie hiring miscreant?

Is there an epidemic in the USA of that?

570 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:41:46am

re: #563 Walter L. Newton

Ok... I'm back. Just a blood draw... routine maintenance.

Did you turn your head and cough?

571 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:42:14am

re: #566 RogueOne

The people in charge of the departments (the mayor for local pd and a Sheriff for county) are elected offices. The manner in which they handle their jobs is controlled directly by voters. That doesn't mean it's always the best person for the job but at least the majority of voters have their say in who/how the departments should be run.

So what? I mean, you've agreed for a long time that having a prosecutor be a political office is part of what corrupts that; why is suddenly the political nature of the mayor a great thing in overseeing the police department? Why the sudden reversal?

This has very little to do with what you were saying. It's an entirely different argument.

572 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:43:00am

re: #569 sattv4u2

Why on earth do you immediately suspect that whoever is in charge of the police dept is some corrupt cronie hiring miscreant?

I don't. I'm not sure why you think I do.

573 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:43:04am

re: #569 sattv4u2

Why on earth do you immediately suspect that whoever is in charge of the police dept is some corrupt cronie hiring miscreant?

Is there an epidemic in the USA of that?

There was before Civil Service reform

574 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:44:35am

re: #566 RogueOne

The people in charge of the departments (the mayor for local pd and a Sheriff for county) are elected offices. The manner in which they handle their jobs is controlled directly by voters. That doesn't mean it's always the best person for the job but at least the majority of voters have their say in who/how the departments should be run.

OK. So you want the mayor to be fully responsible for his results, without the encumbrance of things like due process. Consistent with that principle, which other impediments to him doing his job as he sees fit would you jettison:

wage and hours laws
competitive bidding
environmental regulations
accounting rules

After all, in one way or another, each of those is a constraint on his ability to execute the electorate's will. Just like civil service laws and due process.

575 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:44:36am

re: #572 Obdicut

I don't. I'm not sure why you think I do.

Perhaps from the words in your post!

576 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:44:48am

re: #564 dmon

The state and local governments determine the written policies and procedures for termination, if they dont follow their own procedures, the employee gets their job back.

I took an obviously drunk firefighter in for testing. The process the city set up didnt take into account that since we work 24 / 7. That the company they contracted with for the testing wasnt open on a Saturday morning.

The firefighter got free one. A few months later they found something else to fire them for, the employee lost their appeals, and wont be coming back.

The point is that the city dropped the ball in the original instance.

Semi-related: Drunk cop kills motorcyclist. Department rules aren't followed to the letter:
[Link: imc.tv...]

Long story short, the officers who arrived on the scene screwed drawing his blood because he's covered by the union rules. He's still employed and the charges have been dropped even though the blood test came back at .19. The only person fired was one guy for the prosecutors office (no union contract) the rest of the officers involved in the screwup are still employed.

577 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:45:19am

Politics come into this whole arguement, a citizen complains of misconduct, the press gets a hold of it, the politicians would love to fire just based on the accusation, the process ensures that the facts are determined.

578 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:45:31am

re: #573 dmon

And there's still guys like Sheriff Joe proving you can be blatantly corrupt and still get voted back into office, over and over.

579 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:46:42am

re: #537 garhighway

Does NATO want to be seen bombing Libya and killing Libyans when Quaddafi says they've stood down? Beats me.

The good news is that it should be relatively easy to verify whether the big stuff has stopped. The bad news is that he can still kill people with small arms.

They should have beet him to the punch last night, 5 minutes after the vote, then told him to move back to some point between Tripoli and Benghazi.

Right now all he has to do is keep bringing his forces up, relax for a while, clean up behind him where there is no reporting, then effectively wear down Benghazi with small operations. He has time on his side and all the hand wringers at the UN have no real guts.

580 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:47:01am

re: #571 Obdicut

So what? I mean, you've agreed for a long time that having a prosecutor be a political office is part of what corrupts that; why is suddenly the political nature of the mayor a great thing in overseeing the police department? Why the sudden reversal?

This has very little to do with what you were saying. It's an entirely different argument.

There is no reversal. The fact that I continually bemoan the laziness of voters doesn't mean that the better system is to let the deciding factor lie with unelected union members.

581 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:47:04am

re: #575 sattv4u2

Perhaps from the words in your post!

Which ones? The ones where I say that you could wind up with a corrupt chief of police? Did you misread it in some bizarre way?

582 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:47:18am

PIMF Beat

583 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:47:49am

BBL

584 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:48:07am

re: #582 Naso Tang

PIMF Beat

Good name for a trance band.

585 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:48:51am

re: #576 RogueOne

Semi-related: Drunk cop kills motorcyclist. Department rules aren't followed to the letter:
[Link: imc.tv...]

Long story short, the officers who arrived on the scene screwed drawing his blood because he's covered by the union rules. He's still employed and the charges have been dropped even though the blood test came back at .19. The only person fired was one guy for the prosecutors office (no union contract) the rest of the officers involved in the screwup are still employed.


Sources inside IMPD have told Fox59 News they were unaware of a change in state law last spring that restricted the location where a criminal case blood draw could occur. Due to that change in state law, the Bisard blood draw was taken at a clinic as opposed to a hospital. A clinic blood draw was permitted before the spring of 2010 but that requirement changed after new legislation passed by the General Assembly.

Once again, where does the union come in?

586 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:50:22am

re: #576 RogueOne

Semi-related: Drunk cop kills motorcyclist. Department rules aren't followed to the letter:
[Link: imc.tv...]

Long story short, the officers who arrived on the scene screwed drawing his blood because he's covered by the union rules. He's still employed and the charges have been dropped even though the blood test came back at .19. The only person fired was one guy for the prosecutors office (no union contract) the rest of the officers involved in the screwup are still employed.

I'm not sure the article says all of that.

Fox59 has learned that the current charges against IMPD officer David Bisard will be dropped and that new DUI charges will be re-filed.

Emphasis added: it doesn't look like the guy is getting away scot-free.

The original DUI charges were dropped when it was discovered that the test was not administered by a certified lab.

How is that the arresting cop's fault?

More:

Sources inside IMPD have told Fox59 News they were unaware of a change in state law last spring that restricted the location where a criminal case blood draw could occur. Due to that change in state law, the Bisard blood draw was taken at a clinic as opposed to a hospital. A clinic blood draw was permitted before the spring of 2010 but that requirement changed after new legislation passed by the General Assembly.

Sources say IMPD officers were never re-educated on the blood draw protocol changes by Brizzi’s office. Deputy Prosecutor Ed Zych was responsible for that re-education. He was fired by Prosecutor Curry in late December days before he was sworn into office.

I am not sure this case supports your narrative very well.

587 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:53:44am

re: #578 Obdicut

And there's still guys like Sheriff Joe proving you can be blatantly corrupt and still get voted back into office, over and over.

That sounds like the Congress.

588 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:55:49am

re: #580 RogueOne

There is no reversal. The fact that I continually bemoan the laziness of voters doesn't mean that the better system is to let the deciding factor lie with unelected union members.

How does the union decide on firing?

589 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:55:59am

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

That sounds like the Congress.

That sounds like human beings being human beings.

All the more reason to avoid a system where we count on infinitely wise public officials, vested with unbounded discretion as if they were philosopher-kings.

Checks and balances are good.

590 Jadespring  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:56:11am

Looks like Gadhafi is still attacking Misrata. CNN talking to somewhere there now. "Please tell the world there is NO CEASE FIRE"

Guy says they're being bombed from three sides.

"PLEASE bomb him into submission now. Please"

591 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:57:06am

Gaddafi and son mock UN intervention

NEW YORK: Muammar Gaddafi's son, Saif, said his family was ''not afraid'' after the United Nations approved air strikes against forces loyal to the regime.

''We are in our country and with our people. And we are not afraid,'' Saif al-Islam Gaddafi told America's ABC News from the Libyan capital Tripoli.

''We will not be afraid. Come on! We will not be afraid. I mean, you are not helping the people if you are going to bomb Libya, to kill Libyans. You destroy our country. Nobody is happy with that,'' he said.

...On state television Colonel Gaddafi said his forces would ''rescue'' the people of Benghazi. For those who resisted, there would be ''no mercy or compassion''. ''This is your happy day, we will destroy your enemies,'' he said, warning the people of Benghazi ''not to stand alongside the opposition. Prepare for this moment to get rid of the traitors. Tomorrow we will show the world, to see if the city is one of traitors or heroes. Don't betray me, my beloved Benghazi.''

Speaking in an interview with Portuguese TV just before the UN vote, Colonel Gaddafi pledged to respond harshly to the attacks. ''If the world is crazy,'' he said, ''we will be crazy, too.''

592 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:57:20am

re: #588 dmon

How does the union decide on firing?

I think they have a giant wheel that they spin.

593 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:57:39am

re: #581 Obdicut

Which ones? The ones where I say that you could wind up with a corrupt chief of police? Did you misread it in some bizarre way?

No,, the ones that state "Why on earth do you trust whoever's in charge of the police department to make smart decisions on that"

594 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 6:57:54am

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

595 Jadespring  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:02:36am

I have to say I picked a good week to start taking anti-anxiety medicine.

597 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:08:39am

re: #596 Alouette

Rush Limbaugh denies he was mocking the Japanese, claims he was "cramming it down the throat of liberals."

What a putz.

I'm not sure he even hears what he is saying.

598 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:09:17am

re: #597 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure he even hears what he is saying.

That's the kindest possible interpretation.

599 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:10:09am

I don't pat attention to stupid polls normally but this one is funny.

Fox News Poll: Charlie Sheen vs Muammar al-Gaddafi


Stop the presses! A Fox News poll has answered what may be the greatest foreign policy question of our lifetime.

"Who do you think has a firmer grip on reality -- actor Charlie Sheen or Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi?"

A slim majority, 37 percent, of those polled believe that both are equally out of touch with reality. Another 32 percent chose Sheen, while only 14 percent picked al-Qaddafi.

...Left unanswered by the Fox News poll are critical questions about the U.S. response to Charlie Sheen. We still don't know how many Americans support declaring a No Fly Zone over the embattled Two and A Half Men star, or how voters are responding to President Obama's handling of the Sheen crisis. Hopefully a new poll is in the works that will answer these all important questions.

Heh.

600 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:10:48am

pat = pay

Sheesh

601 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:12:18am

re: #598 garhighway

That's the kindest possible interpretation.

No it wasn't. It was sarcasm... he's almost deaf. He has to use live transcriptions of his callers to even be clear as to what they are saying when they call in.

602 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:15:58am

Time for work. Have a nice day :)

603 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:17:29am

Good Morning Everyone out there in Lizardia, Long time no type too! Hows everyone doing this Friday morning? :-)

604 laZardo  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:19:41am

re: #603 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning Everyone out there in Lizardia, Long time no type too! Hows everyone doing this Friday morning? :-)

:|

/you would be too if you're trying to see any sort of innate goodness in humanity.

605 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:21:34am

re: #604 laZardo

:|

/you would be too if you're trying to see any sort of innate goodness in humanity.

Dude, I always see good in humanity, at least until they prove me wrong! Such is the curse of niceness, of which I have always had to live with./// ;)

606 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:22:39am

re: #593 sattv4u2

No,, the ones that state "Why on earth do you trust whoever's in charge of the police department to make smart decisions on that"

That doesn't mean anything close to what you said it did. At all.

Do you implicitly trust the head of any police department to make smart decisions about hiring and firing?

607 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:24:22am

Hey Obdi! Hey Sattv! Hows with you two this morning? Hows life treating you these days?

608 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:25:31am

Weird, ironic, disturbing: you choose the adjective for this story. The people who run SecurID have suffered a security breach.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Sample:

SAN FRANCISCO — The RSA Security division of the EMC Corporation said Thursday that it had suffered a sophisticated data breach, potentially compromising computer security products widely used by corporations and governments.

The company, which pioneered an advanced cryptographic system during the 1980s, sells products that offer stronger computer security than simple password protection. Known as multifactor authentication, the technology is typically based on an electronic token carried by a user that repeatedly generates a time-based number that must be appended to a password when a user logs in to a computer system.

RSA, which is based in Bedford, Mass., posted an urgent message on its Web site on Thursday referring to an open letter from its chairman, Art Coviello. The letter acknowledged that the company had suffered from an intrusion Mr. Coviello described as an “advanced persistent threat.”

609 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:25:57am

re: #586 garhighway

I'm not sure the article says all of that.

Fox59 has learned that the current charges against IMPD officer David Bisard will be dropped and that new DUI charges will be re-filed.

That story was a jumping off point for those that wanted to know more.

The officers screwed up the "investigation" from the start.

[Link: www.wishtv.com...]


"There was not any information brought forth by the prosecutor's office to inform the FACT team (Fatal Alcohol Crash Team) of those changes," said Bill Owensby, president of the Fraternal Order of Police.

But the prosecutor says that's no excuse. Even though some aspects of the law had changed, police protocol has not.

"There have been thousands, literally thousands of blood draws over the several five years at least. 600 last year alone where the defendants were taken to a hospital, not taken to a clinic. None were taken to a clinic," said David Wyser, Marion County Chief Deputy Prosecutor.

Charges dropped because they made "an innocent mistake" by taking him to the wrong facility.

DUI counts against IMPD officer dropped
[Link: www.wthr.com...]

Three commanders demoted for bungling investigation:
[Link: www.fox59.com...]


Though Officer Bisard was found to have a blood alcohol level of .19, more than twice the legal limit to drive, that blood test is not admissible in court because Conley didn't ask that it be done at a hospital.

Despite their mistakes and the fact that none of the three men in charge, nor anyone else at the scene recognized officer Bisard's impairment, Straub says he believes the demotions go far enough while the criminal investigation is ongoing.


(2x the legal limit, but the other officers didn't recognize any impairment or smell any alcohol....yeah, I buy that)

One of the officers that was demoted for the mistake gets new promotion to CPT shortly thereafter:
[Link: www.theindychannel.com...]


It goes on from there. Currently the charges were refiled but they don't stand a chance without the blood draw evidence and the FBI is still investigating the Indianapolis PD.

610 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:26:18am

re: #607 Dragon_Lady

I've had a rough month of death and sickness, but things have been quiet for a few days.

And New York in the springtime is lovely.

611 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:26:39am

morning all!

What is going on?

612 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:27:58am

re: #610 Obdicut

I've had a rough month of death and sickness, but things have been quiet for a few days.

And New York in the springtime is lovely.

We haven't seen much Spring in the Very Far Parts of Chicagoland. I think it is just around the corner.

Like you, I am very ready for it. Too much death over the winter.

613 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:28:13am

re: #608 garhighway

I'm glad my bank uses Vasco, then.

614 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:30:34am

re: #595 Jadespring

I have to say I picked a good week to start taking anti-anxiety medicine.

glad you are feeling better!

615 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:32:43am

re: #610 Obdicut

I've had a rough month of death and sickness, but things have been quiet for a few days.

And New York in the springtime is lovely.

(((Obdicut)))

I can empathize on the illness part, RWC and I have been fighting bronchitis for three months now and just as I'm getting over it BAM, I got a head cold. *sigh* Now RWC has my head cold, which I think is ironic since he's the one who brought the bronchitis home, I just wish the coughing would go away! Thankfully I can't say I've lost anyone in my family lately, but I feel for you! :(

616 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:32:53am

re: #609 RogueOne

(2x the legal limit, but the other officers didn't recognize any impairment or smell any alcohol...yeah, I buy that)

I used to do a lot of DUI work.

You can blow a pretty high number and still seem unimpaired if (and this isn't a happy "if") the drinker is habituated. A problem drinker will actually look and perform worse when he is sober then when he is moderately drunk (by BAC standards).

Obviously, if he is a habitual drunk, I don't want him as a cop, but diagnosing drinkers based on their behavior can be hard.

Or, it's cops covering for cops. As has happened since the beginning of time.

617 laZardo  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:33:36am

re: #605 Dragon_Lady

Dude, I always see good in humanity, at least until they prove me wrong! Such is the curse of niceness, of which I have always had to live with./// ;)

I like to think humanity is really after "getting something out of it."

Such is the cosmic balance of attitude.

/ q;

618 Jadespring  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:33:53am

re: #614 ggt

glad you are feeling better!

Thank you. :) I am feeling a lot better. The weird airy feeling stuff stopped and I think I've caught up on a couple of months of sleep. I was super duper tired for a few days and just powered napped.

Now I'm actually feeling rather refreshed. Didn't realize I haven't felt that way for months.

619 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:33:54am

Foreign Minister Says Libya Declaring Cease-Fire

"Libya's foreign minister announced an immediate cease-fire Friday, less than a day after the U.N. Security Council adopted a resolution authorizing "all necessary measures" to protect the Libyan people.

Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa said his country is committed to accepting the terms of the U.N. resolution, a reversal from the initial defiance displayed by Moammar Gadhafi's regime.

Moammar Gadhafi's regime had initially responded to the resolution with defiance. The regime had defiantly closed Libya's airspace to all traffic while the West made plans to enforce a no-fly zone and prevent his forces from attacking rebels after the U.N. authorized "all necessary measures" to protect the Libyan people, including airstrikes.

Western officials expressed some skepticism about the announcement. It was not immediately clear whether the Gadhafi regime was seeking to buy time by eliminating the conditions that would authorize use of outside force under the terms of the Security Council resolution."

I've been working the last couple of days and not paying attention.

620 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:35:13am

re: #616 garhighway

I used to do a lot of DUI work.

You can blow a pretty high number and still seem unimpaired if (and this isn't a happy "if") the drinker is habituated. A problem drinker will actually look and perform worse when he is sober then when he is moderately drunk (by BAC standards).

Obviously, if he is a habitual drunk, I don't want him as a cop, but diagnosing drinkers based on their behavior can be hard.

Or, it's cops covering for cops. As has happened since the beginning of time.

Keep in mind that this happened because the officer had just plowed through a group of people on motorcycles sitting at a red light.

621 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:35:35am

re: #615 Dragon_Lady

(((Obdicut)))

I can empathize on the illness part, RWC and I have been fighting bronchitis for three months now and just as I'm getting over it BAM, I got a head cold. *sigh* Now RWC has my head cold, which I think is ironic since he's the one who brought the bronchitis home, I just wish the coughing would go away! Thankfully I can't say I've lost anyone in my family lately, but I feel for you! :(

Thanks, 5 funerals in the last 6 months and we lost one of our dogs.

BUT, the planned-for new puppy arrived 2 days ago. The little life is a real bright spot.

Now I can complain about lack of sleep. :)

622 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:36:08am

re: #621 ggt

Congrats on the pup, what did you get?

623 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:36:14am

re: #617 laZardo

I like to think humanity is really after "getting something out of it."

Such is the cosmic balance of attitude.

/ q;

Personally the only thing I like to get outta my niceness curse is to make people smile! I consider my day complete when I accomplished that at least once a day. ;)

624 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:36:47am

re: #618 Jadespring

Thank you. :) I am feeling a lot better. The weird airy feeling stuff stopped and I think I've caught up on a couple of months of sleep. I was super duper tired for a few days and just powered napped.

Now I'm actually feeling rather refreshed. Didn't realize I haven't felt that way for months.

Sounds like you are on the mend!

Yes, that feeling of actually being awake is kind of strange at first.

625 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:38:29am

re: #622 RogueOne

Congrats on the pup, what did you get?

a little spaniel.

He is going to be a hunting dog and a couch potato.

He is strong-willed with a nice prey drive, but learns quick and wants to please. Already is going to the door to go out --70% of the time.

Just getting him on a schedule and getting him outside is the challenge now.

626 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:39:15am

Here's a disturbing fact:

In a report on California Earthquake exposure, I read that the largest de facto insurer of California homes for earthquake damage is... Fannie and Freddie!

Why? because they don't require borrowers to have EQ cover on their homeowners coverage. Thus, if there is a "big one" and a whole bunch of homes they financed are destroyed, the borrowers will walk away and toss Fannie/Freddie the keys.

Just another reason to dial way back on what Fannie/Freddie do.

627 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:39:16am

re: #621 ggt

Thanks, 5 funerals in the last 6 months and we lost one of our dogs.

BUT, the planned-for new puppy arrived 2 days ago. The little life is a real bright spot.

Now I can complain about lack of sleep. :)

5 Funerals??? OMG! That's horrible! Poor (((Obdicut))) !!! I don't think I could handle that with out a prescription for an anti-depression med! Wish I could give you a real hug! Man that sucks.

628 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:39:30am

re: #609 RogueOne

Rogue,
If they can prove Police misconduct those individuals should be fired. In your posts you stated that the unions prevented firings. But in each of these cases the firing was overturned by an arbitrator or a judge.

I think many would agree, including myself, that it is often way to hard to fire a public employee, my stance is that the difficulty comes from labor law and civil service rules, and that the unions do not have th power to prevent a firing

629 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:40:56am

re: #627 Dragon_Lady

5 Funerals??? OMG! That's horrible! Poor (((Obdicut))) !!! I don't think I could handle that with out a prescription for an anti-depression med! Wish I could give you a real hug! Man that sucks.

Just another reminder to pay attention to those who are still here.

630 laZardo  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:41:07am

re: #623 Dragon_Lady

Personally the only thing I like to get outta my niceness curse is to make people smile! I consider my day complete when I accomplished that at least once a day. ;)

Well, I likes me a challengeFUCKILOST

631 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:42:13am

OK. Someone please convince me that this article is mistaken.

GOP Bill Would Force IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits

Under a GOP-backed bill expected to sail through the House of Representatives, the Internal Revenue Service would be forced to police how Americans have paid for their abortions. To ensure that taxpayers complied with the law, IRS agents would have to investigate whether certain terminated pregnancies were the result of rape or incest. And one tax expert says that the measure could even lead to questions on tax forms: Have you had an abortion? Did you keep your receipt?

In testimony to a House taxation subcommittee on Wednesday, Thomas Barthold, the chief of staff of the nonpartisan Joint Tax Committee, confirmed that one consequence of the Republicans' "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act" would be to turn IRS agents into abortion cops—that is, during an audit, they'd have to detemine, from evidence provided by the taxpayer, whether any tax benefit had been inappropriately used to pay for an abortion.

632 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:42:48am

re: #631 negativ

OK. Someone please convince me that this article is mistaken.

GOP Bill Would Force IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits

And these guys say they want small government.

633 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:43:18am

re: #627 Dragon_Lady

PIMF, sorry ggt. I got ya mixed up with Obdicut. It happens when I'm outta the loupe for awhile. (((ggt))) My sympathies on your losses and congrats on the new baby to spoil. Sometimes a new puppy or kitty is the best thing to have so you can spoil it rotten and take you mind off the bad parts that life throws you.

634 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:43:56am

re: #631 negativ

OK. Someone please convince me that this article is mistaken.

GOP Bill Would Force IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits

Ministry of Virtue and Vice --Whacko Christian version.

635 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:44:22am

Feds Find ‘Systemic Violations of Civil Rights’ by New Orleans Police Department
[Link: www.propublica.org...]


The U.S. Department of Justice released a 158-page report today on the New Orleans Police Department, identifying a host of deep systemic problems, including a pattern of discriminatory policing, the routine use of "unnecessary and unreasonable" force, and a chronic failure to discipline officers involved in misconduct.

The NOPD "has been largely indifferent to widespread violations of law and policy by its officers," states the report, which was compiled by the Justice Department's Civil Rights section.

The report also suggests that NOPD officials may have sought to cover up evidence in incidents in which police shot civilians. "NOPD's mishandling of officer-involved shooting investigations was so blatant and egregious that it appeared intentional in some respects," the report says.

636 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:45:51am

re: #635 RogueOne

Feds Find ‘Systemic Violations of Civil Rights’ by New Orleans Police Department
[Link: www.propublica.org...]

The Blue Wall. It's a bitch.

637 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:46:05am

re: #626 garhighway

Here's a disturbing fact:

In a report on California Earthquake exposure, I read that the largest de facto insurer of California homes for earthquake damage is... Fannie and Freddie!

Why? because they don't require borrowers to have EQ cover on their homeowners coverage. Thus, if there is a "big one" and a whole bunch of homes they financed are destroyed, the borrowers will walk away and toss Fannie/Freddie the keys.

Just another reason to dial way back on what Fannie/Freddie do.

Great, just another thing to worry about! Good thing we have our insurance with Farmers. Not that they're gonna be much better if we have a 9.0 or better.

638 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:48:04am

re: #637 Dragon_Lady

Great, just another thing to worry about! Good thing we have our insurance with Farmers. Not that they're gonna be much better if we have a 9.0 or better.

Make sure you bought EQ cover.

And bought enough limit.

639 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:51:22am

re: #628 dmon

Rogue,
If they can prove Police misconduct those individuals should be fired. In your posts you stated that the unions prevented firings. But in each of these cases the firing was overturned by an arbitrator or a judge.

I think many would agree, including myself, that it is often way to hard to fire a public employee, my stance is that the difficulty comes from labor law and civil service rules, and that the unions do not have th power to prevent a firing

The FOP puts the officers employment over the civil rights of the citizenry. They're part of the problem.

Philadelphia:
[Link: articles.philly.com...]


Philadelphia police officers fired for major violations of departmental rules have sometimes been reinstated by arbitrators who would not act without a conviction in criminal court, according to a review of 42 cases reached over the last decade.

The cases involve officers disciplined by the department for drunken driving, assault, insubordination, and other infractions. Punishment sought by police supervisors ranged from a day's suspension to termination.

The decisions by arbitrators, released by Common Pleas Court on Thursday, shed light on the police union grievance system, a process long hidden from public view.

Eventually, if I post enough links, people might start connecting the dots.

640 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:51:59am

re: #633 Dragon_Lady

PIMF, sorry ggt. I got ya mixed up with Obdicut. It happens when I'm outta the loupe for awhile. (((ggt))) My sympathies on your losses and congrats on the new baby to spoil. Sometimes a new puppy or kitty is the best thing to have so you can spoil it rotten and take you mind off the bad parts that life throws you.

No problem.

The hard part is NOT spoiling them rotten.

LOL

641 RogueOne  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:52:50am

I have to get to work, it's been fun people. Enjoy the ballgames today!

642 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:53:05am

re: #638 garhighway

Make sure you bought EQ cover.

And bought enough limit.

Yeah, we have eq coverage, and plenty of it! We only live a few miles from Northridge and the one that hit them hard shook us out of our bed. Literally! We have enough supply's stock piled for a month, as well as a tent, gloves, extra clothing and so forth and so on. Lived here all our lives and when it comes to the big one we can only pray we're prep'd enough, cause you never know when its gonna slam into you around here!

643 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:53:06am

I have to be productive for a while

bbl

644 Robert O.  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:53:20am

I am fully understanding of the fact that users have to pay for quality content written & researched by professional staff. Unfortunately in the digital age, people expect content for free, hence the proliferation of non-journalistic junk taken as "news" by the ignorant. With Congress voting to defund NPR, look forward to the increasing proliferation of corporatized gossip, fact-free news and yellow journalism.

645 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:54:05am

re: #639 RogueOne

There's a lot of problems. The unions aren't really a big part of it. Without a union, the cops would still close ranks. I'm not sure why you think unions are a big part of the problem. You haven't, well, connected the dots.

646 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:55:12am

re: #640 ggt

No problem.

The hard part is NOT spoiling them rotten.

LOL

I hear you, we have three thoroughly spoiled rotten fur balls! They all know exactly how to wrap us around their paws with just a purr and a cuddle! And we love all of them ridiculously!

647 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:57:05am

re: #639 RogueOne


"The FOP puts the officers employment over the civil rights of the citizenry. They're part of the problem."

"Philadelphia police officers fired for major violations of departmental rules have sometimes been reinstated by arbitrators who would not act without a conviction in criminal court, according to a review of 42 cases reached over the last decade."

Arbitration is a process put in place by the state. The unions aren't the arbitrators. Any public employee has the right to appeal his arbitration. I agree that the process makes it difficult to fire, but that process is in place whether the employee is represented by a nion or not. I think your mad at the wrong people.

In the case you linked to, is it the unions fault that the arbitrator ruled way he did?

648 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:58:14am

re: #647 dmon

"The FOP puts the officers employment over the civil rights of the citizenry. They're part of the problem."

"Philadelphia police officers fired for major violations of departmental rules have sometimes been reinstated by arbitrators who would not act without a conviction in criminal court, according to a review of 42 cases reached over the last decade."

Arbitration is a process put in place by the state. The unions aren't the arbitrators. Any public employee has the right to appeal his firing. I agree that the process makes it difficult to fire, but that process is in place whether the employee is represented by a nion or not. I think your mad at the wrong people.

In the case you linked to, is it the unions fault that the arbitrator ruled way he did?

PIMF

649 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 7:59:43am

re: #631 negativ

OK. Someone please convince me that this article is mistaken.

GOP Bill Would Force IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits

That reinforces my belief that the Hyde amendment needs to be repealed.

650 Donna Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:07:25am

Take care everyone, the coughing is exhausting me and making it hard to type, so I'm gonna go lay down again till it passes. Keep Laughing All!

651 allegro  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:07:55am

re: #649 wrenchwench

That reinforces my belief that the Hyde amendment needs to be repealed.

At least. This IRA abortion audit thing is also a direct HIPPA violation I should think.

652 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:08:57am

re: #642 Dragon_Lady

Which reminds me we need to stock the backpack in the truck...

653 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:09:23am

re: #631 negativ

OK. Someone please convince me that this article is mistaken.

GOP Bill Would Force IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits

Make a note, folks: Adding IRS workers to handle new taxes/regs involving the ACA is bad (if not unconstitutional), but adding them to handle audits about abortions is good.

Glad to know where the GOP stands on the health of this nation. *rolls eyes*

654 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:16:32am

re: #653 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Make a note, folks: Adding IRS workers to handle new taxes/regs involving the ACA is bad (if not unconstitutional), but adding them to handle audits about abortions is good.

Glad to know where the GOP stands on the health of this nation. *rolls eyes*

That's a tough story to believe. I suppose it's possible but the claim is pretty outrageous.

655 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:16:56am

re: #653 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Love to see the stats on women leaving the GOP. It must be a big number.

656 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:19:17am

re: #654 Killgore Trout

That's a tough story to believe. I suppose it's possible but the claim is pretty outrageous.

This is a party whose state-level members are passing laws to get a fetal heartbeat made the cut-off point for abortions and ordering the police to treat all miscarriages as possible abortion attempts.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

657 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:21:27am

Humankind has reached the bottom... why don't we just bring back the gladiators games and be done with it...

101 Ways to Leave a Game Show, which shot a pilot for ABC last summer, features contestants competing in a series of multiple-choice questions for a $50,000 cash prize. The twist is that the main attraction comes after a contestant is actually eliminated as each of them is being ejected from the show in a spectacular fashion - i.e., being flown away strapped to the wing of a biplane, shot out of a cannon, pushed off the top of a moving semi-truck, dragged underwater by a one-ton anchor or yanked off a dock by a speedboat.

[Link: www.deadline.com...]

658 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:22:55am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

Humankind has reached the bottom... why don't we just bring back the gladiators games and be done with it...

[Link: www.deadline.com...]

Addendum:

“Rome is the mob, the beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the Senate, it’s the sand of the Coliseum!”

659 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:23:20am

re: #654 Killgore Trout

I think it's more of the 'taken literally, this'd be the consequence' than an intended, planned one.

660 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:28:29am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

the main attraction comes after a contestant is actually eliminated as each of them is being ejected from the show in a spectacular fashion - i.e., being flown away strapped to the wing of a biplane, shot out of a cannon, pushed off the top of a moving semi-truck, dragged underwater by a one-ton anchor or yanked off a dock by a speedboat.

The show is directed by non other than Wile E Coyote and sponsored by ACME tools! !

661 laZardo  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:30:38am

re: #660 sattv4u2

Final challenge: Catch the Road Runner

662 brennant  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:31:05am

re: #661 laZardo

Final challenge: Catch the Road Runner

Using this rocket and roller skates

663 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:32:41am

re: #659 Obdicut

I think it's more of the 'taken literally, this'd be the consequence' than an intended, planned one.

Text of H.R. 3: No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act

Looks like the goal is to eliminate tax deductions for health insurance that includes abortion coverage.

664 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:39:59am

Fukushima Update - Rachel Maddow Show - good news/bad news

Not mentioned here is the ground-level common storage pool for spent fuel, or that the spent fuel pool of Unit 2 was apparently damaged by the quake.

There is mention of MOX (mixed-oxide fuel).

665 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:41:02am

K

Going to take my "just got home from work late morning nap"

I'll sure be happy starting next week when I go back to the day shift and can have "normal" hours (if one considers 10 a.m. till 10.p.m. "normal)

666 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:43:16am

re: #663 Killgore Trout

Text of H.R. 3: No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act

Looks like the goal is to eliminate tax deductions for health insurance that includes abortion coverage.

Not only that, it attacks those who would buy a separate rider, and those on Medicaid:

‘SEC. 305. CONSTRUCTION RELATING TO SEPARATE COVERAGE.

‘Nothing in this chapter shall be construed as prohibiting any individual, entity, or State or locality from purchasing separate abortion coverage or health benefits coverage that includes abortion so long as such coverage is paid for entirely using only funds not authorized or appropriated by Federal law and such coverage shall not be purchased using matching funds required for a federally subsidized program, including a State’s or locality’s contribution of Medicaid matching funds.

Not only fuck the poor, but let's impregnate them too.

667 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:45:11am

re: #631 negativ

OK. Someone please convince me that this article is mistaken.

GOP Bill Would Force IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits

Has the GOP also allocated funding for the additional enforcement costs, after they have wanted to cut IRA funds for tax collection efforts?

668 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:46:34am

And more:

SEC. 311. NO GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST CERTAIN HEALTH CARE ENTITIES.

‘(a) Nondiscrimination- A Federal agency or program, and any State or local government that receives Federal financial assistance (either directly or indirectly), may not subject any individual or institutional health care entity to discrimination on the basis that the health care entity does not provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions.

That's right: government can't 'discriminate'against family planning clinics (so called) that won't provide an abortion and will give you the kind of fake counseling that involves bloody images, ultrasounds, etc.

669 allegro  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:48:09am

re: #667 Naso Tang

Has the GOP also allocated funding for the additional enforcement costs, after they have wanted to cut IRA funds for tax collection efforts?

The way they're going, they'll be funding door-to-door sanitary napkin audits to make sure no miniscule little fetuses get flushed without proper investigation.

//wish I was entirely kidding

670 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:49:17am

re: #668 iceweasel

New York just passed a law banning the deceptive advertising practices of those places.

671 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:49:31am

Wingnuts to solve the looming Halal Caribou problem...
Alaska seeks to bar foreign law from courts

Though the bill's language does not specifically target Sharia, Rep. Carl Gatto, R-Palmer, said the legislation is a reaction to what he sees as the growing use of international law codes in courts that have robbed people of their constitutional rights.

In a hearing before the House State Affairs Committee, Gatto's chief of staff Karen Sawyer said Sharia is an example of the type of transnational law that has appeared in family law, divorce and child custody cases nationally, though she knows of instances of it appearing in Alaska courts.

"Sharia is clearly offensive to the U.S. Constitution," Sawyer said. "It is the foremost foreign law that is impacting our legal system."

672 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:51:07am

re: #670 Obdicut

New York just passed a law banning the deceptive advertising practices of those places.

Glad to hear it. I seem to remember some sketchy adverts on the subway.

On the other hand, doesn't South Dakota want to make it mandatory to attend one of these places? Or maybe they have already, I don't recall.

673 allegro  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:51:10am

re: #671 Killgore Trout

"Sharia is clearly offensive to the U.S. Constitution," Sawyer said. "It is the foremost foreign law that is impacting our legal system."

How? Where? When?

674 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:53:00am

re: #666 iceweasel

Not only that, it attacks those who would buy a separate rider, and those on Medicaid:

Not only fuck the poor, but let's impregnate them too.

Next up:

no money earned within the United States or its territories may be used to pay for an abortion.

/no bartering either. get those chickens out of here.

675 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:53:30am

re: #673 allegro

How? Where? When?

In the fevered imagination of sweaty, xenophobic wingnuts.

Though I'm not convinced they actually think Sharia Law is a real threat -- or can even define it-- it's more that it's Muslim, and therefore evil and bad.

676 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:55:13am

re: #673 allegro

How? Where? When?

It really is one of the more bizarre wingnut fantasies. Lefties believe some silly things sometimes too but Republicans have a whole legislative agenda built on paranoid imagination. It's hard to tell if they really believe this stuff.

677 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:57:33am

re: #673 allegro

How? Where? When?

And Karen Sawyer gets added to the cosmic "dopes who don't know shit about the Constitution" list.

678 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:57:40am

A note of interest: I heard a comment on NPR that Hillary Clinton is not running for office again and that she has commented that Obama's foreign policy advisors are a "bunch of amateurs".

679 jaunte  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:58:12am

re: #671 Killgore Trout

In a hearing before the House State Affairs Committee, Gatto's chief of staff Karen Sawyer said Sharia is an example of the type of transnational law that has appeared in family law, divorce and child custody cases nationally, though she knows of [no] instances of it appearing in Alaska courts.


Sharia took away mai proofreader!

680 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:59:10am

re: #671 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts to solve the looming Halal Caribou problem...
Alaska seeks to bar foreign law from courts

I've heard that foreign laws are against murder and other bad things...//

681 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:59:49am

This just in...

The Wisconsin union-busting, we-say-it's-about-the-budget-but-it-really-isn't law temporarily stayed by a Wisconsin judge.

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

682 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:00:05am

re: #678 Naso Tang

A note of interest: I heard a comment on NPR that Hillary Clinton is not running for office again and that she has commented that Obama's foreign policy advisors are a "bunch of amateurs".

Guess she and Powell can trade notes on what it's like to work for a president who has no clue what he's doing.

683 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:00:24am

re: #678 Naso Tang

A note of interest: I heard a comment on NPR that Hillary Clinton is not running for office again and that she has commented that Obama's foreign policy advisors are a "bunch of amateurs".

I seriously doubt that's an accurate quote. She's not that stupid, she'd be fired immediately.

684 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:00:38am

re: #678 Naso Tang

A note of interest: I heard a comment on NPR that Hillary Clinton is not running for office again and that she has commented that Obama's foreign policy advisors are a "bunch of amateurs".

NPR? Liberal propaganda!

685 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:01:45am

re: #676 Killgore Trout

If I recall correctly, whats they are claiming is sharia law, is religious based mediation in family law. Several states will allow to people getting a divorce to agree to mediation by religious "councils" in their state.

Mediation has to be entered into voluntarily, the agreement reached cannot conflict with state law, and either party is free to reject the mediators recommendation and return the case to a judge.

On another note, a Wisconsin Judge just temporarily blocked Wisconsin's union busting law because not enough notice was given.

686 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:02:47am

re: #681 garhighway

Activist judges!

687 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:05:07am

OT: Last night on Twitter I saw a link to an interesting infographic at Center for American Progress and figured I'd post it as it might be helpful in future discussions. I'm not familiar with the sources listed for the chart data, but I figure someone here will be quick to speak up if it's suspect.

Infographic: Tax Breaks vs. Budget Cuts

688 laZardo  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:06:55am

Gonna head to bed. Nighty.

689 jaunte  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:08:08am

re: #681 garhighway

This just in...

The Wisconsin union-busting, we-say-it's-about-the-budget-but-it-really-isn't law temporarily stayed by a Wisconsin judge.

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

A little more here:

A Dane County judge has issued a restraining order on Friday to block publication of the state's collective bargaining law.

Judge Maryann Sumi issued the order to temporarily block the law as Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne had requested as part of his lawsuit.
[Link: www.channel3000.com...]

690 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:08:24am

Oh boy. They started the big saw on the roof again. If I disappear, it might be because they fell through and I got cut in half. I think I'll work at the wrenches for a while....

691 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:09:20am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

I seriously doubt that's an accurate quote. She's not that stupid, she'd be fired immediately.

Yes, that occurred to me too, but someone has probably heard something to that effect. I think she has more balls than Obama and would have been a better president.

692 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:10:19am

re: #689 jaunte

You have to wonder if R's have the appetite to start this thing all over again, if the session is ruled illegal they will have to vote again

693 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:10:44am

re: #671 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts to solve the looming Halal Caribou problem...
Alaska seeks to bar foreign law from courts

Well, I'd need to see it, but I assume this is like most bills of this type and falls into one of two general categories:
1. It basically just says that things that are illegal are illegal (But forcefully!) and doesn't actually do anything because it's only restating how things have always worked.

2. It is comically overbroad, vague, and/or nonsensical upon any remotely rational reading of the bills language, with the result being that it is unenforceable due to being unconstitutional or because no one can figure out what the hell it means. This is where you get into laws that basically say 95% of existing laws are void, since they come from English Common Law, someone claims they're from the Bible, they were inspired by laws in another country, etc.

Either way, it's just a waste of time and taxpayer money.

694 shiplord kirel  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:17:06am

re: #671 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts to solve the looming Halal Caribou problem...
Alaska seeks to bar foreign law from courts

I guess this is aimed at the English Common Law, or maybe Biblical law. The latter, after all, originated in the Middle East.
/

695 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:18:23am

re: #657 Walter L. Newton

Humankind has reached the bottom... why don't we just bring back the gladiators games and be done with it...

[Link: www.deadline.com...]

"Ow, My Balls!" on the Violence Channel.

696 simoom  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:19:42am

re: #520 NJDhockeyfan

Did Hillary finally push Obama into action on Libya?

... But according to a recently launched blog, The Daily, ...

Will Hillary last to the end of the year or will she split early? Time will tell.

Just in case anyone has never heard of it, The Daily is Murdoch's recently launched iPad publication:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

"The editorial position will be in the hands of the editor," said Murdoch. His editor then jumped in. "In terms of our editorial page, at the very basic level, we're patriotic, we love America, we believe in free ideas, free people."

A bit more on this from Ben Smith at Politico:
[Link: www.politico.com...]

The other bit of the story that doesn't quite make sense is the claim that PJ Crowley's resignation was a DoD power play, rather than a)inevitable and b)the dearest wish of Clinton's inner circle anyway.
697 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:21:54am

re: #694 shiplord kirel

I guess this is aimed at the English Common Law, or maybe Biblical law. The latter, after all, originated in the Middle East.
/

Otoh, the astroturf wingnut orgs might not have a problem with bringing the Ferangi Rules of Acquisition into the civil courts, assuming they haven't already tried.

698 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:22:24am

re: #695 Alouette

"Ow, My Balls!" on the Violence Channel.

Hey now, I might tune into that. Just rename it "America's Funniest Shots to the Nuts."

699 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:23:09am

Threats directed at any state GOP 'turncoats'

Democrats say Republican leaders appear to be "terrorizing" their own members.

"They believe the government shouldn't tell them what to do, but they want Grover Norquist to tell them what to do," said state Democratic Party Chairman John Burton. "They don't trust the people to do what's right.

700 Lidanghazi  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:23:11am

re: #694 shiplord kirel

I guess this is aimed at the English Common Law, or maybe Biblical law. The latter, after all, originated in the Middle East.
/

Pfft. The Bible's not foreign or from the Middle East. It's written in English, don'tcha know.

701 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:23:58am

re: #681 garhighway

This just in...

The Wisconsin union-busting, we-say-it's-about-the-budget-but-it-really-isn't law temporarily stayed by a Wisconsin judge.

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Check! Awesome.

702 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:24:06am

re: #697 Shiplord Kirel

Otoh, the astroturf wingnut orgs might not have a problem with bringing the Ferangi Rules of Acquisition into the civil courts, assuming they haven't already tried.

Ach! "Ferengi" rather than "Ferangi." Wouldn't want to offend the Trekker contingent here.

703 simoom  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:24:37am

re: #683 Killgore Trout

I seriously doubt that's an accurate quote. She's not that stupid, she'd be fired immediately.

It's from a series of anonymous quotes attributed to a "Clinton insider" (Dick Morris? ///) in Murdoch's new publication, The Daily.

704 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:24:52am

re: #702 Shiplord Kirel

Ach! "Ferengi" rather than "Ferangi." Wouldn't want to offend the Trekker contingent here.

*Holding pitchfork* Too late. To the agony booth with you!

705 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:25:54am

Smaller, more limited government courtesy of the TGOP.

[Link: wonkette.com...]


Under a GOP-backed bill expected to sail through the House of Representatives, the Internal Revenue Service would be forced to police how Americans have paid for their abortions. To ensure that taxpayers complied with the law, IRS agents would have to investigate whether certain terminated pregnancies were the result of rape or incest. And one tax expert says that the measure could even lead to questions on tax forms: Have you had an abortion? Did you keep your receipt?

In testimony to a House taxation subcommittee on Wednesday, Thomas Barthold, the chief of staff of the nonpartisan Joint Tax Committee, confirmed that one consequence of the Republicans’ “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act” would be to turn IRS agents into abortion cops—that is, during an audit, they’d have to detemine, from evidence provided by the taxpayer, whether any tax benefit had been inappropriately used to pay for an abortion.

706 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:26:17am

re: #703 simoom

It's from a series of anonymous quotes attributed to a "Clinton insider" (Dick Morris? ///) in Murdoch's new publication, The Daily.

Did Morris hasn't been an insider since he was caught with a hooker and moved to the GOP where that is understood better.

707 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:26:52am

Ghaaaa! Dick

708 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:28:12am

Americans Rapidly Losing Confidence In GOP's Ability To Reduce The Deficit

In the poll, 21% of Americans said they believed Congressional Republicans had a better approach to the deficit than did President Obama, while 20% felt the reverse. In addition, 52% said there wasn't much difference between Obama and the GOP House.

Checkmate Republicans!

709 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:28:51am

re: #708 Gus 802

Americans Rapidly Losing Confidence In GOP's Ability To Reduce The Deficit

In the poll, 21% of Americans said they believed Congressional Republicans had a better approach to the deficit than did President Obama, while 20% felt the reverse. In addition, 52% said there wasn't much difference between Obama and the GOP House.

Checkmate Republicans!

I can see 2012 from my house!

/

710 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:30:19am

re: #708 Gus 802

Americans Rapidly Losing Confidence In GOP's Ability To Reduce The Deficit

In the poll, 21% of Americans said they believed Congressional Republicans had a better approach to the deficit than did President Obama, while 20% felt the reverse. In addition, 52% said there wasn't much difference between Obama and the GOP House.

Checkmate Republicans!

You mean people aren't convinced that the deficit problem can be solved through a simple combination of lowering taxes and cutting funding for NPR and PP?

711 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:30:42am

re: #709 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I can see 2012 from my house!

/

Yeah. Come 2012 Americans can vote for a GOP Church Lady candidate. Republicans need to go back to Hooterville and check on their still.

712 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:30:46am

From the article:

"Sharia is clearly offensive to the U.S. Constitution," Sawyer said. "It is the foremost foreign law that is impacting our legal system."

Yeah, I can see how the parts about charity, praying, fasting, etc. would be offensive. Not to mention the part that says Muslims are obliged to obey the laws of whatever country they live in, and if that becomes impossible then we should seek to emigrate to an Islamic country (instead of causing strife)—let's be sure to strike that down and create a problem where there currently is none.

713 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:31:07am

re: #708 Gus 802

Americans Rapidly Losing Confidence In GOP's Ability To Reduce The Deficit

In the poll, 21% of Americans said they believed Congressional Republicans had a better approach to the deficit than did President Obama, while 20% felt the reverse. In addition, 52% said there wasn't much difference between Obama and the GOP House.

Checkmate Republicans!

You mean going after abortion rights and NPR has not convinced the majority of Americans that the GOP is serious about deficit reduction?

///

714 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:31:45am

re: #710 Simply Sarah

You mean people aren't convinced that the deficit problem can be solved through a simple combination of lowering taxes and cutting funding for NPR and PP?

Right. And Peter King, and abortion, and gay marriage, and every other stupid moralizing bullshit that the Republicans have been talking about since January.

715 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:31:49am

The Ten Commandments are foreign law...
;)

716 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:32:52am

re: #715 Varek Raith

The Ten Commandments are foreign law...
;)

That's blasfoamy!

/

717 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:33:45am

re: #714 Gus 802

Right. And Peter King, and abortion, and gay marriage, and every other stupid moralizing bullshit that the Republicans have been talking about since January.

But hey, they're serious about jobs! Didn't you hear that, just the other day, they put together a meeting between the GOP leadership and business leaders to start brainstorming ways on how to kickstart the economy and job creation?

I'm not sure what went on during the meeting, but I'm sure that it was totally productive and not in any way hypocritical in light of the GOP's past "outrage" over Obama meeting with insurance companies when crafting the ACA.

///

718 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:34:16am

The latest round of bullshit coming from the useless Republicans...

U.S. Rep. Forbes' 'In God We Trust' bill sent to full House

Derp.

719 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:34:20am

re: #708 Gus 802

Americans Rapidly Losing Confidence In GOP's Ability To Reduce The Deficit

In the poll, 21% of Americans said they believed Congressional Republicans had a better approach to the deficit than did President Obama, while 20% felt the reverse. In addition, 52% said there wasn't much difference between Obama and the GOP House.

Checkmate Republicans!

Yeah, the wheels have come off fiscal conservatism. They have no good economic ideas.

720 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:35:09am

re: #712 CuriousLurker

From the article:

Yeah, I can see how the parts about charity, praying, fasting, etc. would be offensive. Not to mention the part that says Muslims are obliged to obey the laws of whatever country they live in, and if that becomes impossible then we should seek to emigrate to an Islamic country (instead of causing strife)—let's be sure to strike that down and create a problem where there currently is none.

Is anybody surprised that the TGOP is fighting the culture wars instead of solving real problems? The GOP hasn't had a real solution to a real problem in 20 years, this is all they know and all they can win elections with. The GOP died about 10 years ago and is now a zombie terrorizing the country.

721 Simply Sarah  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:35:11am

re: #712 CuriousLurker

From the article:

Yeah, I can see how the parts about charity, praying, fasting, etc. would be offensive. Not to mention the part that says Muslims are obliged to obey the laws of whatever country they live in, and if that becomes impossible then we should seek to emigrate to an Islamic country (instead of causing strife)—let's be sure to strike that down and create a problem where there currently is none.

There's no actual thought or research put into these things. They're swinging at ghosts that exist only in their minds. It's hard to rationally argue for the passage of a clearly irrational law that is a non-solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

722 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:35:56am

re: #716 Gus 802

That's blasfoamy!

/

Imma scawy afeist, bwing it on!

723 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:36:20am

re: #720 moderatelyradicalliberal

Is anybody surprised that the TGOP is fighting the culture wars instead of solving real problems? The GOP hasn't had a real solution to a real problem in 20 years, this is all they know and all they can win elections with. The GOP died about 10 years ago and is now a zombie terrorizing the country.

Lead by the head zombie, Ron Reagan.

724 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:36:26am

Jobs?

No one gives a shit about jobs anymore.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

725 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:37:00am

re: #719 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the wheels have come off fiscal conservatism. They have no good economic ideas.

It's only about authoritarian conservatism in the House. Thus, fiscal conservatism comes with a huge price. People end up electing overwhelmingly judgmental, moralizing, Bible thumping, authoritarian Republicans. And that's how they spend the majority of their time. Because even their fiscal decision are laced with the usual church lady bullshit.

726 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:37:03am

Breaking (good for once) news
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Judge blocks new Wisconsin law...

727 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:39:03am

re: #724 garhighway

Jobs?

No one gives a shit about jobs anymore.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

That's because once again, other than the Republicans current round of beclowning themselves DC has decided to spend the majority of its time on global problem and ignoring America's problems.

728 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:39:18am

It's clear the GOP is seriously mistaken, thinking their recent election gains were the result of their political posturing and not the result of desperation due to one of the worst recessions of the last 100 years.

Take away the recession and all that dirty Kochain $ and what are you left with?

2012 will be a smack upside their collective face.

729 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:39:21am

re: #717 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

But hey, they're serious about jobs! Didn't you hear that, just the other day, they put together a meeting between the GOP leadership and business leaders to start brainstorming ways on how to kickstart the economy and job creation?

I'm not sure what went on during the meeting, but I'm sure that it was totally productive and not in any way hypocritical in light of the GOP's past "outrage" over Obama meeting with insurance companies when crafting the ACA.

///

If the GOP's theme in 2012 is "Where's the Birth Certificate" I won't bat an eyelash. Seriously, they got nothing else.

730 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:39:27am

Ooooh! Conservatives getting angry at one another: Haley Barbour's kid vs Bill Kristol.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Kristol previewed a battle of Pawlenty v Barbour as "T-Paw vs Hee Haw".

731 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:39:40am

re: #725 Gus 802

It's only about authoritarian conservatism in the House. Thus, fiscal conservatism comes with a huge price. People end up electing overwhelmingly judgmental, moralizing, Bible thumping, authoritarian Republicans. And that's how they spend the majority of their time. Because even their fiscal decision are laced with the usual church lady bullshit.

Whenever I've met a so-called fiscal conservative, they haven't ever been able to explain to me what that means to them, and there is usually some church lady bullshit at the bottom of it. (Or glibertarian craziness)

732 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:40:20am

re: #718 Gus 802

The latest round of bullshit coming from the useless Republicans...

U.S. Rep. Forbes' 'In God We Trust' bill sent to full House

Derp.

Yeah, 'cause it's not good enough to just try to do good and be good, you have to make a spectacle of your belief and attempt to shove it down everyone else's throat in order to get your brownie points from God. //

re: #720 moderatelyradicalliberal

Is anybody surprised that the TGOP is fighting the culture wars instead of solving real problems? The GOP hasn't had a real solution to a real problem in 20 years, this is all they know and all they can win elections with. The GOP died about 10 years ago and is now a zombie terrorizing the country.

QFT

re: #721 Simply Sarah

There's no actual thought or research put into these things. They're swinging at ghosts that exist only in their minds. It's hard to rationally argue for the passage of a clearly irrational law that is a non-solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Well said. Favorited.

733 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:40:46am

How are things going in AFPAK?

//

734 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:42:10am

re: #730 garhighway

Ooooh! Conservatives getting angry at one another: Haley Barbour's kid vs Bill Kristol.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Kristol previewed a battle of Pawlenty v Barbour as "T-Paw vs Hee Haw".

Isn't it funny when the GOP "elites" let it slip that they think the Southern base of the GOP are ignorant crackers?

735 Stanghazi  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:42:58am

Image: 199893_190929420943894_184123138291189_411168_5892162_n.jpg

They destroyed the Pearl roundabout in Bahrain. That'll show them!!!

736 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:43:03am

re: #731 iceweasel

Whenever I've met a so-called fiscal conservative, they haven't ever been able to explain to me what that means to them, and there is usually some church lady bullshit at the bottom of it. (Or glibertarian craziness)

That's a very good question. I'm asking it of myself since I've called myself that. I'm pretty sure I gots no church lady BS in me.

737 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:43:24am

re: #728 BigPapa

It's clear the GOP is seriously mistaken, thinking their recent election gains were the result of their political posturing and not the result of desperation due to one of the worst recessions of the last 100 years.

Take away the recession and all that dirty Kochain $ and what are you left with?

2012 will be a smack upside their collective face.

And yet, when they won back in November, they were quick to tell folks that they "understood" why it was that they'd been returned to power and wouldn't make the same mistakes. Yet, here they are, making all the same mistakes and thinking that the public isn't paying attention. 2012 is going to be one hell of a wake-up call, though I fear that it may be too-little, too-late for a lot of folks.

738 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:43:33am

So Ghadaffi called a ceasefire, but his troops are still launching attacks. Apparently the UN needs time to consider that Ghadaffi might not be keeping his word.

739 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:43:38am

re: #718 Gus 802

The latest round of bullshit coming from the useless Republicans...

U.S. Rep. Forbes' 'In God We Trust' bill sent to full House

Derp.

I suppose we all should have seen this coming. The Republicans in the House haven't had their hands on the wheel for four years. You can store up a whole lotta crazy in four years. They have a backlog of goofy shit like this to get through. Maybe once they do, they'll settle down and try to get serious.

740 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:43:44am

re: #731 iceweasel

Whenever I've met a so-called fiscal conservative, they haven't ever been able to explain to me what that means to them, and there is usually some church lady bullshit at the bottom of it. (Or glibertarian craziness)

With Republicans I'm always wondering: are people voting for a politician or a priest? And of course none of them are true men of the cloth. They're mostly a bunch of self-proclaimed proselytizing self-taught zealots.

741 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:44:55am

re: #738 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So Ghadaffi called a ceasefire, but his troops are still launching attacks. Apparently the UN needs time to consider that Ghadaffi might not be keeping his word.

Who is in operational control of whatever military operations are going to happen over Libya?

742 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:45:12am

re: #739 garhighway

I suppose we all should have seen this coming. The Republicans in the House haven't had their hands on the wheel for four years. You can store up a whole lotta crazy in four years. They have a backlog of goofy shit like this to get through. Maybe once they do, they'll settle down and try to get serious.

I'm not gonna hold my breath. //

743 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:46:33am

re: #739 garhighway

I suppose we all should have seen this coming. The Republicans in the House haven't had their hands on the wheel for four years. You can store up a whole lotta crazy in four years. They have a backlog of goofy shit like this to get through. Maybe once they do, they'll settle down and try to get serious.

The last time they got serious they made bankruptcy harder for the average working American and screwed around with overtime labor laws. Then there was the usual handouts to the big oil companies hidden underneath that massive transportation bill they passed several years ago. I suppose at this point, and considering the extremist elements of the Teabaggers, they'll probably propose bringing back debtors prison.

744 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:47:12am

re: #740 Gus 802

With Republicans I'm always wondering: are people voting for a politician or a priest? And of course none of them are true men of the cloth. They're mostly a bunch of self-proclaimed proselytizing self-taught zealots.

Speaking of which, guess who is back with his own youtube channel?

Hagee Discovers YouTube, Warns of Polygamy and Dangerous Muslims

745 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:47:23am

re: #743 Gus 802

The last time they got serious they made bankruptcy harder for the average working American and screwed around with overtime labor laws. Then there was the usual handouts to the big oil companies hidden underneath that massive transportation bill they passed several years ago. I suppose at this point, and considering the extremist elements of the Teabaggers, they'll probably propose bringing back debtors prison.

Either that or they'll propose starting a war somewhere other than the failing war in Afghanistan.

746 simoom  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:47:41am

re: #726 Rightwingconspirator

Breaking (good for once) news
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Judge blocks new Wisconsin law...

There was this too:
Lawsuit settled: Isthmus, AP will get emails, Walker must pay legal costs

The office of Gov. Scott Walker has agreed to a settlement in a lawsuit brought by Isthmus newspaper and the Wisconsin Associated Press over access to emails sent to the governor in response to his "budget repair bill." The settlement requires the governor to produce the emails and pay attorney fees for the plaintiffs' costs in bringing the suit.

The settlement calls for the defendants, Gov. Scott Walker and his office, to produce a disc containing these emails next Tuesday, March 22, at or after 4 p.m. It is agreed that the governor will produce emails "in the folders in which they are stored at the time of production."

I wonder about this part though:

In exchange for this access, the media requesters have agreed not to use the names of individuals who have sent emails to the governor in cases where there is reason for withholding them, as when they contain personal medical or financial information or raise a concern about retribution. The requesters also agreed not to use, publish or disclose any home addresses, email addresses, telephone numbers or Social Security numbers that may be contained in these emails.

I suppose as long as it's up to the media to interpret that it's not a big deal.

747 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:48:06am

Way cool news: we now have a spacecraft in orbit around Mercury!

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

748 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:48:44am

re: #731 iceweasel
Hi
Too bad we never actually met. :)
I'll take a swing at this, just my pov-
Reasonably strict paygo, amend in a line item veto executive power, and a sensible connection between outlay and revenues. For a start.

IMO-The debt interest load is nothing but money for mismanagement. As in (for an easy example) no new taxes despite the $$ response to 9/11 including Homeland security and two wars. . Duh!

It's frustrating to see those kinds of concepts trodden under by the current GOP model of false fiscal conservatism and the other side of the aisle too.

I'm fine with means testing S/S, and restoring pre Bush tax levels above $330,000 per year. I think we can keep the Reagan and Kennedy cuts. Between $200,00 and $330,000 there would be more tax unless small biz incentives or employment is where the money is going.

749 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:49:46am

re: #747 garhighway

Way cool news: we now have a spacecraft in orbit around Mercury!

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

But when are we going to probe Uranus?

sorry, I was required by law to post that.

750 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:50:02am

re: #741 garhighway

Who is in operational control of whatever military operations are going to happen over Libya?

My guess is we'll end up taking control, though allied forces will fall under their own separate chains of command.

751 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:50:07am

re: #744 iceweasel

Speaking of which, guess who is back with his own youtube channel?

Hagee Discovers YouTube, Warns of Polygamy and Dangerous Muslims

WTF? Oh yeah. I remember that deformed inbred. He endorsed McCain in 2008 and McCain soon threw him under the bus. And now Gingrich is courting this miscreant.

752 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:50:16am

re: #718 Gus 802

The latest round of bullshit coming from the useless Republicans...

U.S. Rep. Forbes' 'In God We Trust' bill sent to full House

Derp.

Beck fans will read that as "In Gold We Trust."

753 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:50:23am

Gingrich. LOL

754 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:50:41am

re: #748 Rightwingconspirator

Thank you sir for an informative and cogent response.

755 dmon  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:52:11am

re: #746 simoom

The media wanted the emails after Walker said that he had received 8000 emails supporting the bill.

I thought it was laughable statement to start with..... 8000 people take a whole 30 seconds out of their day to tap out email.......at the same time 100,000 people get out of bed and go to the state house to protest. It will be even more laughable if the number is substantially less than 8000

756 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:52:41am

re: #744 iceweasel

Speaking of which, guess who is back with his own youtube channel?

Hagee Discovers YouTube, Warns of Polygamy and Dangerous Muslims

Hagee is really the best hellfire and brimstone preacher of the present age. Too bad he's nuts.

757 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:55:01am

But I know why they like Hagee. It's a load of more bullcrap.

758 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 9:59:04am

re: #750 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

My guess is we'll end up taking control, though allied forces will fall under their own separate chains of command.

That's exactly what Gaddafi is counting on.//

759 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:00:26am

re: #752 Shiplord Kirel

Beck fans will read that as "In Gold We Trust."

Not that I have a problem with reposting, but was that you who posted that yesterday?

760 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:00:29am

re: #744 iceweasel

Speaking of which, guess who is back with his own youtube channel?

Hagee Discovers YouTube, Warns of Polygamy and Dangerous Muslims

Yeah, we're really, really dangerous. I'm sure Charles & all the rest of you are terrified that I'll be taking over LGF any day now. Atheists will be banned, dhimmies will all have to pay for access, and only pre-approved Islamic subjects will be allowed for discussion.

Anyone who breaks the rules will be...well, I'm not sure yet, but I'll find someone to issue a fatwa and let you know.

Oh, and there WILL be morals police with big sticks monitoring you at all times.

761 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:00:58am

Ugh, gotta run. Conference call coming up. BBL

762 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:02:58am

Hahaha!

Religious Right on Dangers of Environmentalism

Youtube Video
763 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:04:00am

Boy I tell ya. Some of the things they say in that video remind me of more than a few former Lizards.

764 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:05:47am

re: #762 Gus 802

Hahaha!

Religious Right on Dangers of Environmentalism

[Video]

The green dragon! I did a page on that a while ago:

Get the Christian Right's Hot New DVD Series, 'Resisting the Green Dragon'

765 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:05:56am

Apparently a couple of my buddies (and I use the term loosely) on the Right are crying crocodile tears. Why?

AP: Why inflation hurts more than it did 30 years ago

They're already whining that "Obama is Jimmy Carter II!," "The cost of living is high and getting higher!," and "Misery Index!" None of them seem interested in acknowledging that the cost of living now is high because wages have been stagnant for decades. Or that 7 million people remain jobless, despite the GOP's promise to make jobs a top priority.

766 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:07:46am

re: #764 iceweasel

The green dragon! I did a page on that a while ago:

Get the Christian Right's Hot New DVD Series, 'Resisting the Green Dragon'

Thanks. Updinged and Tweeted.

Mind boggling.

767 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:09:41am

re: #762 Gus 802

Hahaha!

Religious Right on Dangers of Environmentalism

[Video]

Every frickin' day another post makes me wanna say, "Holy shit."

768 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:10:31am

re: #764 iceweasel

The green dragon! I did a page on that a while ago:

Get the Christian Right's Hot New DVD Series, 'Resisting the Green Dragon'

You can keep your fancy ales.
You can drink em by the flagon.
But the only brew for the brave and true,
COMES FROM THE GREEN DRAGON!

769 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:17:02am

re: #764 iceweasel

The green dragon! I did a page on that a while ago:

Get the Christian Right's Hot New DVD Series, 'Resisting the Green Dragon'

Funny how these wacko fundamentalist portray environmentalism as a 'cult' and 'religion.' Essentially, projecting their reality onto the concept, dragging down to their level before they attack it on their terms.

Actually, it's not very funny at all.

770 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:17:47am

re: #760 CuriousLurker

Yeah, we're really, really dangerous. I'm sure Charles & all the rest of you are terrified that I'll be taking over LGF any day now. Atheists will be banned, dhimmies will all have to pay for access, and only pre-approved Islamic subjects will be allowed for discussion.

Anyone who breaks the rules will be...well, I'm not sure yet, but I'll find someone to issue a fatwa and let you know.

Oh, and there WILL be morals police with big sticks monitoring you at all times.

Whoa, there!
Only atheists get to be scary!
STOP STEALING MY GIG!!!
/;)

771 Gus  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:17:51am

I seriously need some more sleep. Later folks.

772 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:19:55am

re: #762 Gus 802

Wow, that's a Who's Who of Elite Nutters.

I remember Wendy Wright's talk with Dawkins, it was painful to watch.

773 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:20:08am

re: #716 Gus 802

That's blasfoamy!

/

That's what you get when you violate the Laws of Nerf.

774 Ghazicide  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:31:03am

Police: Pa. man, 70, stoned to death by friend
Authorities in suburban Philadelphia say a 70-year-old man was stoned to death with a rock stuffed in a sock by a younger friend who alleged the victim made unwanted sexual advances.

According to the criminal complaint, 28-year-old John Thomas of Lansdowne has told police he killed 70-year-old Murray Seidman because the Old Testament refers to stoning homosexuals.

775 garhighway  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:39:24am

re: #774 BigPapa

Police: Pa. man, 70, stoned to death by friend
Authorities in suburban Philadelphia say a 70-year-old man was stoned to death with a rock stuffed in a sock by a younger friend who alleged the victim made unwanted sexual advances.

According to the criminal complaint, 28-year-old John Thomas of Lansdowne has told police he killed 70-year-old Murray Seidman because the Old Testament refers to stoning homosexuals.

No quotes around the word "friend"?

776 allegro  Fri, Mar 18, 2011 10:41:19am

re: #762 Gus 802

Oh that is so nuts.


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