For Most Women, GOP Sonograms Will Require Invasive Procedure

The GOP will require rape victims to be raped again

US NewsMay 2011 • Views: 34,948

As the Republican Party pushes mandatory sonogram legislation across the nation, it should be noted that the vast majority of abortions are performed very early in a pregnancy, at a stage when external sonograms don’t produce the heart-wrenching images Republicans are looking for.

This means that if the GOP gets its way, most women who have abortions will be forced by these “limited government” Republicans to undergo an unnecessary invasive medical procedure, including rape and incest victims.

Here’s the device the Republican Party will be using for this purpose:

The Republican Party’s new transvaginal ultrasound transducer

The GOP fetus inspection device in action

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171 comments

Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 10:32:03am

Apparently God’s Plan is to rape women twice.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 25, 2011 10:32:59am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, as long as they plan ahead…

jamesfirecat Wed, May 25, 2011 10:33:23am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently God’s Plan is to rape women twice.

To be fair I think the final version of the bill had an exception for women who were pregnant due to rape… I say FINAL because at some point they put forward one that didn’t in an act of… well I can’t find the words personally.

SpaceJesus Wed, May 25, 2011 10:34:04am

Does this apply to a woman who wants to carry a fetus to term, but can’t because it is discovered late in the pregnancy that the birth will kill her?

Obdicut Wed, May 25, 2011 10:34:35am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Texas bill actually contains a provision excepting rape victims.*

So they just want them raped once.

* Which is a whole problem in and of itself. What if a woman says she’s been raped, wants an abortion, but doesn’t want to have the rapist prosecuted? Or says she doesn’t know who it is? Does she have to prove rape? If not, can’t every woman claim rape? Won’t this make it more likely that women wanting abortions will claim rape in order to have the abortion, and then drop the charges?

theheat Wed, May 25, 2011 10:34:42am

I’d really like to see that particular piece of equipment shoved up its supporter’s asses. Sideways.

Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 10:35:02am

“Now we understand that you’ve been raped and we know that was a horrible experience for you. But before you can murder that little life inside you, we need to jam this up you so as to guilt trip you with images of the little baby inside you. Understand?”

/(Need something to wash the taste of bile out of my mouth now)

lawhawk Wed, May 25, 2011 10:35:18am

The party of “small government” wants to direct and demand purposefully invasive and unnecessary procedures as a means to further restrict the ability of women to get abortions, which the courts have consistently ruled is a constitutionally protected right since Roe.

Way to go.

darthstar Wed, May 25, 2011 10:36:43am

re: #8 lawhawk

The party of “small government”

Government so small it fits inside your vagina! See! You’ll hardly know they’re there.

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 10:36:46am

What exactly was so great about the 19th century that the right wing wants so badly to bring it back?

Simply Sarah Wed, May 25, 2011 10:36:53am

I’ll be completely honest here. While I’ll fight against it as strongly as I can, I’m largely resigned to the idea that with the current state of the federal judiciary, Roe is on its way to being overturned in the next decade or two, which will be followed by blanket, absolute bans on abortion in many states, if not on a federal level. I’m not even sure Griswold itself and the rest its progeny are safe, which could mean the end of family planning and birth control in general.

A cynical view? Damn right it is. But the way things have been moving the last couple of decades makes it hard for me to feel otherwise.

allegro Wed, May 25, 2011 10:37:09am

re: #3 jamesfirecat

To be fair I think the final version of the bill had an exception for women who were pregnant due to rape… I say FINAL because at some point they put forward one that didn’t in an act of… well I can’t find the words personally.

Let’s think this one through. Can a woman simply say “I was raped” to be able to avoid this horrid and completely unnecessary procedure? Somehow I’m thinking that if there isn’t more to it now there will be. Like a police report, a medical rape kit (yet another humiliating and invasive procedure), and what, a court trial? At that point she’s already given birth. Then there’s the issue of the male inpregnator. I guess the for profit prisons do need more workers. There’s a likely population.

Am I just making this up? Don’t think so…

celticdragon Wed, May 25, 2011 10:37:42am

re: #6 theheat

I’d really like to see that particular piece of equipment wrapped in marbed wire, set on fire and shoved up its supporter’s asses. Sideways.

A modest suggestion.

Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 10:37:42am

re: #5 Obdicut

The Texas bill actually contains a provision excepting rape victims.*

So they just want them raped once.

* Which is a whole problem in and of itself. What if a woman says she’s been raped, wants an abortion, but doesn’t want to have the rapist prosecuted? Or says she doesn’t know who it is? Does she have to prove rape? If not, can’t every woman claim rape? Won’t this make it more likely that women wanting abortions will claim rape in order to have the abortion, and then drop the charges?

That’s pretty much the regular “argument” made whenever such laws are put forth. “We can’t put in exceptions for rape, because then every woman wanting an abortion will just cry ‘Rape!’”

At least, that’s not when they’re trying to argue that God doesn’t care how the “baby” was created, and that a “life” created through rape is just as “important.”

jamesfirecat Wed, May 25, 2011 10:38:12am

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

/(Need something to wash the taste of bile out of my mouth now)

PONY INFUSION STAT!

Four More Tears Wed, May 25, 2011 10:38:48am

Exciting Things about Tim Pawlenty

Obdicut Wed, May 25, 2011 10:39:24am

re: #14 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s a good point, they’re just on the wrong damn side of it.

allegro Wed, May 25, 2011 10:40:14am

Another thought… I guess women will have to report rape now every time they have a sexual encounter to plan ahead appropriately. Yanno, like making sure they have a spare tire.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 25, 2011 10:40:52am

New page up:

Chinese bread basket suffering worst drought in 200 years. AGW in action.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Again, I go into the science behind this. I point out how this was predicted for some time and I focus on how bad this will get in terms of world food supplies.

Decatur Deb Wed, May 25, 2011 10:41:14am

re: #11 Simply Sarah

I’ll be completely honest here. While I’ll fight against it as strongly as I can, I’m largely resigned to the idea that with the current state of the federal judiciary, Roe is on its way to being overturned in the next decade or two, which will be followed by blanket, absolute bans on abortion in many states, if not on a federal level. I’m not even sure Griswold itself and the rest its progeny are safe, which could mean the end of family planning and birth control in general.

A cynical view? Damn right it is. But the way things have been moving the last couple of decades makes it hard for me to feel otherwise.

Not if we elect the next several SC justices and nominate the next generation of Federal judges. In other words, GOTV.

celticdragon Wed, May 25, 2011 10:41:17am

re: #16 JasonA

Exciting Things about Tim Pawlenty

Hey Kids!

Next month we get the 2 hour splendiferous, smarmy and fawning hagiography of Sarah Palin debuting in Iowa!

Win!

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 10:41:35am

re: #8 lawhawk

I think Michael Moore is a pig. That said, he was on MSNBC last night and said something I agree with, and would expand. He said that the GOP has already lost the 2012 election, and is now working on losing 2016, as well. What is really going on is that the centre has lost control of the party to the right-wing extremists. The wingnuts were never about winning the next election; they are more interested in implementing as much of their social and religious agenda as possible before they get sent back to the astroturf whence they sprang. The damage is done; it will take multiple legislative sessions on a state and federal level to undo what they have passed into law in just two years.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 25, 2011 10:41:39am

re: #10 imp_62

What exactly was so great about the 19th century that the right wing wants so badly to bring it back?

Lots of prostitution and pollution. Also, terrible facial hair. On the upside, some amazing advances were made in science, but the wingnuts don’t want to hear about that part.

SpaceJesus Wed, May 25, 2011 10:41:59am

re: #19 LudwigVanQuixote

I bet they miss all those forests they used to have up there that stopped the desert’s advance in previous centuries.

Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:11am

re: #10 imp_62

What exactly was so great about the 19th century that the right wing wants so badly to bring it back?

Take your pick: “God-fearing” whites ruled things with an iron fist, minorities “knew their place,” women were “in the home,” the “free market” ruled things without worrying about unions and “socialism,” etc, etc.

You know, the sort of “paradise” that they grew up hearing about from their daddies and granddaddies.

Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:30am

re: #10 imp_62

What exactly was so great about the 19th century that the right wing wants so badly to bring it back?

Slavery and Women couldn’t vote.

Decatur Deb Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:47am

re: #21 celticdragon

Hey Kids!

Next month we get the 2 hour splendiferous, smarmy and fawning hagiography of Sarah Palin debuting in Iowa!

Win!

Two hours? Isn’t that longer than her incumbency?

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 25, 2011 10:42:47am

It’s pandemic.

Anti-abortion group drafted in as sexual health adviser to government

Coalition appoints pro-abstinence charity Life to key sexual health forum, while omitting British Pregnancy Advisory Service

A group which is opposed to abortion in all circumstances and favours an abstinence-based approach to sex education has been appointed to advise the government on sexual health.

The Life organisation has been invited to join a new sexual health forum set up to replace the Independent Advisory Group on Sexual Health and HIV.

Stuart Cowie, Life’s head of education, said: “We are delighted to be invited into the group, representing views that have not always been around on similar tables in the past.”

In contrast, the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS) has been omitted from the forum despite its long-term position on the previous advisory group and 40-year track record in providing pregnancy counselling nationwide.

BishopX Wed, May 25, 2011 10:43:43am

re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist

Lots of prostitution and pollution. Also, ~~terrible~~ Awesome facial hair. On the upside, some amazing advances were made in science, but the wingnuts don’t want to hear about that part.

Fixed that for you. Men’s fashion has stagnated since 1900…

celticdragon Wed, May 25, 2011 10:45:14am

re: #22 imp_62

I think Michael Moore is a pig. That said, he was on MSNBC last night and said something I agree with, and would expand. He said that the GOP has already lost the 2012 election, and is now working on losing 2016, as well. What is really going on is that the centre has lost control of the party to the right-wing extremists. The wingnuts were never about winning the next election; they are more interested in implementing as much of their social and religious agenda as possible before they get sent back to the astroturf whence they sprang. The damage is done; it will take multiple legislative sessions on a state and federal level to undo what they have passed into law in just two years.

i think there is something to that. They went whole hog in the last 6 months to do as much damage as possible, and will then let the public get frustrated when the dems try to clean it up as the GOP blocks every legislative move.

This is a kind of nihilistic radicalism we have not seen since the 1850’s, imo.

Randy W. Weeks Wed, May 25, 2011 10:45:15am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently God’s Plan is to rape women twice.

3 times if you’re a poor woman…they want nothing whatsoever to do with poor babies.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 25, 2011 10:45:36am

re: #10 imp_62

What exactly was so great about the 19th century that the right wing wants so badly to bring it back?

Also, and this is key, the wingnut voter has mostly not registered the shift of labor and class since the nineteenth century. Your lower-middle-class wingnut, say, insisting that we can deregulate coal mines because the market will handle it, does not quite understand that in the Brave Old World, HE works that coal mine, and so do his kids. He thinks he’s protecting himself so he can move up. Rejects the idea that he’s actually sawing out the floorboards under his feet.

Decatur Deb Wed, May 25, 2011 10:45:47am

re: #20 Decatur Deb

Not if we elect the next several SC justices and nominate the next generation of Federal judges. In other words, GOTV.

PIMF: “..elect the man who will select the next several…”

Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 10:46:01am

re: #16 JasonA

Exciting Things about Tim Pawlenty

“People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks. Years later, a doctor will tell me that I have an I.Q. of 48 and am what some people call mentally retarded.”

darthstar Wed, May 25, 2011 10:47:02am

re: #27 Decatur Deb

Two hours? Isn’t that longer than her incumbency?

That’s longer than her incubation period.

Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 10:47:08am

re: #21 celticdragon

Hey Kids!

Next month we get the 2 hour splendiferous, smarmy and fawning hagiography of Sarah Palin debuting in Iowa!

Win!

I’ll wait till the MST3K guys get a hold of it.

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 10:48:05am

re: #35 darthstar

That’s longer than her incubation period.

Sarah Palin is the single best argument for permanently outlawing human cloning.

Simply Sarah Wed, May 25, 2011 10:48:44am

re: #20 Decatur Deb

Not if we elect the next several SC justices and nominate the next generation of Federal judges. In other words, GOTV.

Ah, I wish I was as optimistic as you on this. But this is why 2012 is so important. If a Republican somehow wins the White House next year, there’s a very strong chance Roe is finished, since I’m just not sure how much long Breyer and, especially, Ginsburg will be on the Court. On the other hand, Scalia, Thomas, and Kennedy aren’t going to be around forever, either…

celticdragon Wed, May 25, 2011 10:49:13am

re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist

Lots of prostitution and pollution. Also, terrible facial hair. On the upside, some amazing advances were made in science, but the wingnuts don’t want to hear about that part.

I’ve seen estimates that at some point, most of the working poor women in 19th Century NYC had to engage in prostitution to survive.

Don’t look at the death statistics in orphanages. Nightmarish stuff.

This kind of social hellhole is what they want back. Uncontrolled, predatory capitalism unconstrained by any empathy or human compassion.

allegro Wed, May 25, 2011 10:49:23am

re: #31 LoneStarSpur

3 times if you’re a poor woman…they want nothing whatsoever to do with poor babies.

Unless the baby is white and healthy and can be sold to a rich Christian couple to be raised in a “proper” environment. They’re all for that - it’s one of the foundations of so-called crisis pregnancy centers.

LWNJ Wed, May 25, 2011 10:50:16am

re: #11 Simply Sarah

I’ll be completely honest here. While I’ll fight against it as strongly as I can, I’m largely resigned to the idea that with the current state of the federal judiciary, Roe is on its way to being overturned in the next decade or two, which will be followed by blanket, absolute bans on abortion in many states, if not on a federal level. I’m not even sure Griswold itself and the rest its progeny are safe, which could mean the end of family planning and birth control in general.

A cynical view? Damn right it is. But the way things have been moving the last couple of decades makes it hard for me to feel otherwise.

It’s beginning to look like that to me, too. Perhaps the “plan ahead for rape” Republicans mean women should lay in a stock of RU486 (it’s hard to get in the US) just in case. Pity about the side effects….

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 10:50:40am

*sigh* this thread has killed the sugar high I was enjoying, as brought on by the delicious cookie my daughter baked for me (and hand-delivered to my home office)

Big Steve Wed, May 25, 2011 10:51:15am

What is shown in the picture is called a transvaginal ultrasound transducer.

Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 10:51:42am

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, and this is key, the wingnut voter has mostly not registered the shift of labor and class since the nineteenth century. Your lower-middle-class wingnut, say, insisting that we can deregulate coal mines because the market will handle it, does not quite understand that in the Brave Old World, HE works that coal mine, and so do his kids. He thinks he’s protecting himself so he can move up. Rejects the idea that he’s actually sawing out the floorboards under his feet.

That’s because they’ve got the coal company whispering sweet nothings into their ears. “If we didn’t have all these ‘job-destroying’ regulations, we’d be able to open new mines, creating all kinds of new jobs. We’d need new equipment, new resource lines, and new managers…perhaps from the company you’re working for. And if we had those new mines, producing piles and piles of cheaper coal, why, we’d be able to cut down your energy costs per year. Doesn’t all that sound real good to you?”

makeitstop Wed, May 25, 2011 10:51:46am

re: #30 celticdragon

This is a kind of nihilistic radicalism we have not seen since the 1850’s, imo.

Suddenly, Gingrich’s statement that this presidential election is the most important since 1860 is seen in a new light.

It makes him no more correct, but now you know what his context for the statement is.

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 10:52:36am

re: #41 C1nnabar

It’s beginning to look like that to me, too. Perhaps the “plan ahead for rape” Republicans mean women should lay in a stock of RU486 (it’s hard to get in the US) just in case. Pity about the side effects…

Perhaps I am being optimistic without cause, but I believe that in the medium term, many of the most egregious, anti-social and misogynistic legislative initiatives of the past few years will be either declared unconstitutional, or revoked by following legislation. Progress is inevitable and history has its own specific eight.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 25, 2011 10:54:30am

re: #43 Big Steve

What is shown in the picture is called a transvaginal ultrasound transducer.

And I’m sure that if I were being introduced to it only in its proper medical role, I would think it was quite cool and ingenious. (Don’t blame the tech, folks, it’s not the probe’s fault.)

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, May 25, 2011 10:55:08am

re: #40 allegro

Unless the baby is white and healthy and can be sold to a rich Christian couple to be raised in a “proper” environment. They’re all for that - it’s one of the foundations of so-called crisis pregnancy centers.

Not meaning to be picky, but I know a fair number of white families that happily adopted non-white babies—including my aunt.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 25, 2011 10:55:58am

Laws Affecting Reproductive Health and Rights:
Trends in the First Quarter of 2011

To date, legislators have introduced 916 measures related to reproductive health and rights in the 49 legislatures that have convened their regular sessions. (Louisiana’s legislature will not convene until late April.) By the end of March, seven states had enacted 15 new laws on these issues, including provisions that:

Fuck.

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 11:00:29am

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

If this legislation, and the paternalistic, religious-hierarchical social thinking that underlies it, energizes voters to come out and take charge of their local government, then a purpose will have been served.

Turnout in local and state elections remains below 50% on average IIRC. Many voters are those who feel strongly about issues, and the GOP has done a bang-up job of getting polarizing issues into the election process. Now the Democrats have to respond in kind.

I am starting to wish that I liked BHO a lot more than I do. I just can’t see a passable GOP candidate emerging.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 25, 2011 11:01:35am

re: #50 imp_62

I am starting to wish that I liked BHO a lot more than I do.

I’m sorry for your voting situation, but somehow this made me laugh. Possibly because it’s exactly what I said back in 08.

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 11:05:23am

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

Problem is, it is hard to motivate people with negative energy; i.e. how do you invigorate a bloc of voters by saying “come out against what other people are doing”? How is the positive message from Democrats being reinforced and presented to the public? It’s not, because it is tough to realize that obvious issues that should be supported (AGW, women’s rights, marriage equality) need to be the subject of active campaigning, and difficult as well for voters to realize that the “right” thing does not happen automatically.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 25, 2011 11:06:02am

re: #50 imp_62

The biggest obstacle there is getting people interested in the process, and getting them interested in educating themselves on the issues.

Hell, I’m a pro-choice dude, and even I didn’t know that 916 “reproductive” measures have been introduced until ten minutes ago.

sproingie Wed, May 25, 2011 11:06:19am

re: #15 jamesfirecat

PONY INFUSION STAT!

This still makes me giggle:

Youtube Video

Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:07:13am

I’m sorry, but I’m laughing my ass off here. The local news reported a small fire at a condo, and they have pictures of related images.

Image: 20696135_640X480.jpg

Thats the only image.

allegro Wed, May 25, 2011 11:07:55am

re: #52 imp_62

Problem is, it is hard to motivate people with negative energy; i.e. how do you invigorate a bloc of voters by saying “come out against what other people are doing”? How is the positive message from Democrats being reinforced and presented to the public? It’s not, because it is tough to realize that obvious issues that should be supported (AGW, women’s rights, marriage equality) need to be the subject of active campaigning, and difficult as well for voters to realize that the “right” thing does not happen automatically.

The problem that I see is that most Democratic candidates don’t want to touch these issues because they fear they may lost a vote or three. By not making a stand that this shit is just wrong and calling it out for what it is, it tends to stay under the radar for the uninformed voters.

Varek Raith Wed, May 25, 2011 11:08:03am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m sorry, but I’m laughing my ass off here. The local news reported a small fire at a condo, and they have pictures of related images.

Image: 20696135_640X480.jpg

Thats the only image.

Yep, that’s a fire.

makeitstop Wed, May 25, 2011 11:09:45am

re: #52 imp_62

Problem is, it is hard to motivate people with negative energy; i.e. how do you invigorate a bloc of voters by saying “come out against what other people are doing”?

Isn’t that the Tea Party’s modus operandi in a nutshell?

Bulworth Wed, May 25, 2011 11:10:00am

As the Republican Party pushes mandatory sonogram legislation across the nation…

Sounds like more of that less government I keep hearing about.

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 11:10:31am

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

Which again brings up the question: where the hell are the grass-roots Democratic activists? These issues cannot be left to think tanks and pundits. The poor, the vulnerable, those most affected by these heinous legislative agendas - they cannot be reached by traditional means and media. Where are the Democratic “populists”? Rachel Maddow is great, but she reaches a fraction of the people Limbaugh and Beck do. Jon Stewart hasn’t taken that next step to hard political commentar.

General Nimrod Bodfish Wed, May 25, 2011 11:10:58am

OT:
Tornado warning for Pulaski County in Missouri. The storm is located south of Waynesville along I-44, moving NE.

wrenchwench Wed, May 25, 2011 11:11:55am

The reTweeter on Tweet Deck is a LOT faster than the gizmo on this page. I clicked the one on the page first, waited a bit, then found the post on Tweet Deck, retweeted, and by the time the Twitter page came up, it already had the reTweet on it.

Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:12:07am

re: #57 Varek Raith

Yep, that’s a fire.

Apparently so.

General Nimrod Bodfish Wed, May 25, 2011 11:12:08am

re: #61 commadore183

OT:
Tornado warning for Pulaski County in Missouri. The storm is located south of Waynesville along I-44, moving NE.

Other tornado warnings include:
Clinton, Clay, Ray, Phelps, Maries, Morgan, Miller, Pettis, Howard, Cooper, Moniteau, and Cole, all in Missouri.

funky chicken Wed, May 25, 2011 11:12:12am

re: #4 SpaceJesus

Does this apply to a woman who wants to carry a fetus to term, but can’t because it is discovered late in the pregnancy that the birth will kill her?

In those cases, it’s likely the trans-vaginal ultrasound has already been done. If the state will provide one for free to aid the surgeon at the time of the termination, well, doesn’t that sound like single-payer health care?
/um, well…

watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, May 25, 2011 11:12:46am

re: #11 Simply Sarah

I’ll be completely honest here. While I’ll fight against it as strongly as I can, I’m largely resigned to the idea that with the current state of the federal judiciary, Roe is on its way to being overturned in the next decade or two, which will be followed by blanket, absolute bans on abortion in many states, if not on a federal level. I’m not even sure Griswold itself and the rest its progeny are safe, which could mean the end of family planning and birth control in general.

A cynical view? Damn right it is. But the way things have been moving the last couple of decades makes it hard for me to feel otherwise.

Naw, this is the last gasp, the backlash is building up everyday. It is hard to get people motivated who cannot believe that their personal rights are threatened, they just yawn and go on.

That is changing now because the wingnuts are trampling on these peoples rights, organized women, with a lot of support from men also, are simply not going to allow this to happen. It is going to have to come from the women though to be an effective political movement.

The ball is now in their court…

Lidane Wed, May 25, 2011 11:12:55am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently God’s Plan is to rape women twice.

What’s she worried about? It’s just like getting two flat tires.

Simply Sarah Wed, May 25, 2011 11:13:22am

re: #60 imp_62

Which again brings up the question: where the hell are the grass-roots Democratic activists? These issues cannot be left to think tanks and pundits. The poor, the vulnerable, those most affected by these heinous legislative agendas - they cannot be reached by traditional means and media. Where are the Democratic “populists”? Rachel Maddow is great, but she reaches a fraction of the people Limbaugh and Beck do. Jon Stewart hasn’t taken that next step to hard political commentar.

Well, I think part of it is that there just hasn’t been a cause and a leader to really energize the base to action for a while. I mean, sure Obama got some people worked up and cheering, but even he didn’t seem to really get people to go and act. He’s no Jack Kennedy.

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 11:13:47am

re: #58 makeitstop

Isn’t that the Tea Party’s modus operandi in a nutshell?

I don’t think so. The Tea Party is presenting easily digestible issues that you can vote for. Small government. Low taxes. More jobs. More cute babies. More god.

These issues are like individually wrapped tootsie rolls. Real issues like AGW and individual rights are complex, and the american voter is notoriously reluctant to deal with complexity.

funky chicken Wed, May 25, 2011 11:14:35am

Ultrasound techs make really good money—better than MRI techs, and way more than X-ray techs. Who is gonna pay for all of these exams for poor women? Medicaid?

Simply Sarah Wed, May 25, 2011 11:15:35am

re: #70 funky chicken

Ultrasound techs make really good money—better than MRI techs, and way more than X-ray techs. Who is gonna pay for all of these exams for poor women? Medicaid?

I think you’re starting to get one of the *real* reasons behind this law.

Varek Raith Wed, May 25, 2011 11:15:38am

Fuck the GOP.
I’ve had it with this bullshit. You want my vote in the future?
Dump the socons.
Dump the anti-science loons.
Dump the Austrian economics gold mongers.
Dump the nutters.

recusancy Wed, May 25, 2011 11:15:54am

re: #50 imp_62

If this legislation, and the paternalistic, religious-hierarchical social thinking that underlies it, energizes voters to come out and take charge of their local government, then a purpose will have been served.

Turnout in local and state elections remains below 50% on average IIRC. Many voters are those who feel strongly about issues, and the GOP has done a bang-up job of getting polarizing issues into the election process. Now the Democrats have to respond in kind.

I am starting to wish that I liked BHO a lot more than I do. I just can’t see a passable GOP candidate emerging.

What would make you like him more?

makeitstop Wed, May 25, 2011 11:16:02am

re: #69 imp_62

I don’t think so. The Tea Party is presenting easily digestible issues that you can vote for. Small government. Low taxes. More jobs. More cute babies. More god.

These issues are like individually wrapped tootsie rolls. Real issues like AGW and individual rights are complex, and the american voter is notoriously reluctant to deal with complexity.

I see your point - but I’ll also point out that those ‘tootsie rolls’ have a chewy center of ‘Seekrit Muslim Tyranny’ and a candy coating of ‘creeping Sharia.’

celticdragon Wed, May 25, 2011 11:16:07am

re: #40 allegro

Unless the baby is white and healthy and can be sold to a rich Christian couple to be raised in a “proper” environment. They’re all for that - it’s one of the foundations of so-called crisis pregnancy centers.

“Hey ratso! What’s the going price for a new born male infant?

Uh, he’s sort of an ‘off white’.

Really? $3,000 dollars? Babies really are a bundle of joy, boys and girls!”

Eddie Murphy, SNL skit “Mr Robinson’s Neighborhood” as best as I can remember.

Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:16:26am

Planned Parenthood Opens $8 Billion Abortionplex*

Planned Parenthood announced Tuesday the grand opening of its long-planned $8 billion Abortionplex, a sprawling abortion facility that will allow the organization to terminate unborn lives with an efficiency never before thought possible.

During a press conference, Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards told reporters that the new state-of-the-art fetus-killing facility located in the nation’s heartland offers quick, easy, in-and-out abortions to all women, and represents a bold reinvention of the group’s long-standing mission and values.

“Although we’ve traditionally dedicated 97 percent of our resources to other important services such as contraception distribution, cancer screening, and STD testing, this new complex allows us to devote our full attention to what has always been our true passion: abortion,” said Richards, standing under a banner emblazoned with Planned Parenthood’s new slogan, “No Life Is Sacred.” “And since Congress voted to retain our federal funding, it’s going to be that much easier for us to maximize the number of tiny, beating hearts we stop every day.”

*yes, its the Onion

wrenchwench Wed, May 25, 2011 11:16:41am

re: #70 funky chicken

Ultrasound techs make really good money—better than MRI techs, and way more than X-ray techs. Who is gonna pay for all of these exams for poor women? Medicaid?

They have to dispense fewer contraceptives to make up the difference.

/wish that was sarc

watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, May 25, 2011 11:17:30am

re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m sorry, but I’m laughing my ass off here. The local news reported a small fire at a condo, and they have pictures of related images.

Image: 20696135_640X480.jpg

Thats the only image.

I would hate to see what they call a “large fire” it would probably look like the bomb at Hiroshima going off…

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Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 11:18:33am

re: #72 Varek Raith

Fuck the GOP.
I’ve had it with this bullshit. You want my vote in the future?
Dump the socons.
Dump the anti-science loons.
Dump the Austrian economics gold mongers.
Dump the nutters.

I think that’s what it’s really going to take, so many people getting fed up with the GOP and just walking away that they have no choice but to eject the loonies to become electable again. At the same time, sometimes the lunacy reaches critical mass, such that the party begins to convince itself that it’s not the loonies that are holding it down, but that they simply aren’t catering to enough loonies.

When that happens, the disease has become terminal and all you can do for the party is be merciful and pull the plug.

Varek Raith Wed, May 25, 2011 11:18:47am

re: #78 ausador

I would hate to see what they call a “large fire” it would probably look like the bomb at Hiroshima going off…

///

You call that a ‘fire’?
Image: redgiant.gif

recusancy Wed, May 25, 2011 11:19:55am

Florida gov’s approval drops to 29%. lol

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 25, 2011 11:20:10am

re: #72 Varek Raith

Make the message more direct, and simply say “Dump the Juggallos”!

funky chicken Wed, May 25, 2011 11:20:16am

re: #40 allegro

Unless the baby is white and healthy and can be sold to a rich Christian couple to be raised in a “proper” environment. They’re all for that - it’s one of the foundations of so-called crisis pregnancy centers.

Ummm….most states make it very hard for white couple to adopt minority children who are born healthy. The courts still prefer to give custody to biological parents even when it’s obvious those parents are seriously deficient. It’s very frustrating.

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 11:20:36am

re: #73 recusancy

What would make you like him more?

That’s a tough one. I think he got the sequence of legislative priorities wrong in the first year (financial market reform was far more important than healthcare), and I cannot forgive him for turning to Zbig Brzezinski for foreign police advice during his campaign. He may be headed the right direction, but I need convincing.

lawhawk Wed, May 25, 2011 11:20:50am

re: #79 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It would appear that we’re approaching the latter point, especially if you’re following their latest rhetoric.

Varek Raith Wed, May 25, 2011 11:21:05am

re: #81 recusancy

Florida gov’s approval drops to 29%. lol

Which in Paul Ryan’s mind translates to one hundred and elventy percent support.

recusancy Wed, May 25, 2011 11:21:32am

re: #86 Varek Raith

Which in Paul Ryan’s mind translates to one hundred and elventy percent support.

Ha, Ryan got a proxy butt woopin last night in New York.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, May 25, 2011 11:23:02am

re: #83 funky chicken

Ummm…most states make it very hard for white couple to adopt minority children who are born healthy. The courts still prefer to give custody to biological parents even when it’s obvious those parents are seriously deficient. It’s very frustrating.

I’m trying to figure out what you mean. Are you speaking of foster kids? Most infant adoptions are children given up by their parents voluntarily.

celticdragon Wed, May 25, 2011 11:23:20am

re: #81 recusancy

Florida gov’s approval drops to 29%. lol

That 27% to 29% crazification number keeps coming right back, doesn’t it?

That seems to be the absolute lowest that a GOP candidate can go, since there is a built in 27% that will vote for him or her no matter how head-trauma insane they become. Allan Keyes got 27% against Obama in the Senate race, and Keyes is batshit nuts.

Simply Sarah Wed, May 25, 2011 11:23:41am

re: #81 recusancy

Florida gov’s approval drops to 29%. lol

People really need to do a better job at looking at what a candidate says they will do before, you know, voting them into office to let them do it.

Obdicut Wed, May 25, 2011 11:23:59am

re: #81 recusancy

Heh. If you look at the poll details, there’s a pretty strong correspondence between the numbers for GOP and the numbers for White Christian Evangelical.

recusancy Wed, May 25, 2011 11:24:17am

re: #84 imp_62

That’s a tough one. I think he got the sequence of legislative priorities wrong in the first year (financial market reform was far more important than healthcare), and I cannot forgive him for turning to Zbig Brzezinski for foreign police advice during his campaign. He may be headed the right direction, but I need convincing.

Why the beef Zbig? Something dealing with I/P issues I assume? I’ve learned that foreign policy here usually means Israel policy.

Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 11:24:39am

re: #81 recusancy

Florida gov’s approval drops to 29%. lol

Which probably explains why Scott made it known that he’s not gonna jump into the GOP candidate pool this year.

Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:24:43am

re: #83 funky chicken

Ummm…most states make it very hard for white couple to adopt minority children who are born healthy. The courts still prefer to give custody to biological parents even when it’s obvious those parents are seriously deficient. It’s very frustrating.

Which is why they’re going overseas, where they’re money talks.

They’re is a growing movement by Evangelicals to adopt kids from overseas.

makeitstop Wed, May 25, 2011 11:25:01am

re: #89 celticdragon

That 27% to 29% crazification number keeps coming right back, doesn’t it?

That seems to be the absolute lowest that a GOP candidate can go, since there is a built in 27% that will vote for him or her no matter how head-trauma insane they become. Allan Keyes got 27% against Obama in the Senate race, and Keyes is batshit nuts.

Yep. That 29% is the Crazy Base, present and accounted for.

allegro Wed, May 25, 2011 11:26:30am

re: #90 Simply Sarah

People really need to do a better job at looking at what a candidate says they will do before, you know, voting them into office to let them do it.

The 2010 Repubs that were voted in campaigned on jobs, jobs, jobs. So far not a single jobs creating bill, only socon crapola. Can’t much depend on what they say they’ll do. They lie.

shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 11:27:12am

re: #92 recusancy

Why the beef Zbig? Something dealing with I/P issues I assume? I’ve learned that foreign policy here usually means Israel policy.

Middle East policy is a part of the whole. Zbig was Kissinger without the intellect.
Positions that Zbigniew Brzezinski has held:

Simply Sarah Wed, May 25, 2011 11:27:50am

re: #96 allegro

The 2010 Repubs that were voted in campaigned on jobs, jobs, jobs. So far not a single jobs creating bill, only socon crapola. Can’t much depend on what they say they’ll do. They lie.

Well, that’s true, to a degree, but, if you remember, most of the specifics about how they’d create jobs generally fell in line with what they’ve done since coming into office (Or, at least, they actions they’ve taken were also mentioned along with jobs).

darthstar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:28:13am

re: #81 recusancy

Florida gov’s approval drops to 29%. lol

Give him time…he’s only been in office for about six months…just wait until he really gets going with his teabagger agenda.

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funky chicken Wed, May 25, 2011 11:28:32am

re: #10 imp_62

What exactly was so great about the 19th century that the right wing wants so badly to bring it back?

I think it’s the diptheria epidemics. Perhaps botulism outbreaks?

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darthstar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:28:41am

re: #99 darthstar

Give him time…he’s only been in office for about six months…just wait until he really gets going with his teabagger agenda.

Wait…I just realized 29% is probably the teabagger vote…that is rock bottom.

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celticdragon Wed, May 25, 2011 11:28:42am

re: #96 allegro

The 2010 Repubs that were voted in campaigned on jobs, jobs, jobs. So far not a single jobs creating bill, only socon crapola. Can’t much depend on what they say they’ll do. They lie.

I honestly have not seen such a concerted and deliberate effort across the country to go for broke on social conservative dogma and union busting, and at the expense of literally everything else. They really are treating this like a war.

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Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 11:29:23am

re: #85 lawhawk

It would appear that we’re approaching the latter point, especially if you’re following their latest rhetoric.

Yeah, when news comes out that the Ryan Plan got shoved through, even though poll numbers were absolutely toxic, and are now trying to pimp it even though those poll numbers haven’t budged, shows me a party in a nosedive.

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celticdragon Wed, May 25, 2011 11:30:26am

re: #101 darthstar

Wait…I just realized 29% is probably the teabagger vote…that is rock bottom.

Yes, that is bottom. It has also been called the “crazification factor” by some analysts. 27% is the dependable conservative vote for any candidate no matter how fucked up they may be.

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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, May 25, 2011 11:30:52am

re: #100 funky chicken

I think it’s the diptheria epidemics. Perhaps botulism outbreaks?

Don’t forget that “peculiar institution” of our southern states…

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albusteve Wed, May 25, 2011 11:31:20am

re: #96 allegro

The 2010 Repubs that were voted in campaigned on jobs, jobs, jobs. So far not a single jobs creating bill, only socon crapola. Can’t much depend on what they say they’ll do. They lie.

I think more and more people are seriously questioning govt leadership and effectiveness….I’ve been sick and tired of being misled and lied to for years

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Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 11:31:59am

re: #96 allegro

The 2010 Repubs that were voted in campaigned on jobs, jobs, jobs. So far not a single jobs creating bill, only socon crapola. Can’t much depend on what they say they’ll do. They lie.

They campaigned on jobs, but you had to be listening closely to realize where they thought those jobs were going to come from. From “smaller government,” from more tax cuts, from more deregulation, from destroying the social safety net, and so forth. The GOP shouted “MORE JOBS!” as high as their vocal cords would allow, but only the gullible and willfully blind didn’t read the fine print.

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funky chicken Wed, May 25, 2011 11:32:09am

I mean, look how cute these little guys are?

[Link: www.textbookofbacteriology.net…]

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Simply Sarah Wed, May 25, 2011 11:32:10am

re: #102 celticdragon

I honestly have not seen such a concerted and deliberate effort across the country to go for broke on social conservative dogma and union busting, and at the expense of literally everything else. They really are treating this like a war.

I think a big part of it is that they’ve realized that there’s so little pushback from the left that they can go crazy now and, even if they get booted from power next time around, many of their changes will stick. Far more effective, to them, than compromise.

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shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 11:33:07am

I think that I will approach the coming election season as follows:

“I would rather have a full bottle in front of me, than a full frontal lobotomy”.

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recusancy Wed, May 25, 2011 11:33:35am

It’s hard to be effective at your job when you’re ideologically against the institution that your job is a part of.

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Kewalo Wed, May 25, 2011 11:34:19am

re: #66 ausador

Naw, this is the last gasp, the backlash is building up everyday. It is hard to get people motivated who cannot believe that their personal rights are threatened, they just yawn and go on.

That is changing now because the wingnuts are trampling on these peoples rights, organized women, with a lot of support from men also, are simply not going to allow this to happen. It is going to have to come from the women though to be an effective political movement.

The ball is now in their court…

I was among the women that marched and generally raised hell back in the 70’s over the abortion issue. For years now women of my generation have been warning the younger women to be careful. That many of us believed the right was going to try and change the laws back. And nobody listened. Our warning was brushed off and younger women were indifferent. Now it’s coming back to bite them in the ass and as far as I’m concerned I’ve already done my share and they should damn well get out there and fight for their rights. I’m not pissed at the right, they’re doing what they said they were going to do. I am pissed at the young women on the left for not being vigilant.

And as you say “The ball is now in their court.”

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, May 25, 2011 11:34:26am

Totally OT—

Here we have a “classic” Snow White outfit (that’s what it says).

I have to agree that this is exactly what Snow White looked like in the movie. Yep. Can’t see any major differences.

(Note: Rated PG. You won’t get fired, but your boss might wonder.)

[Link: www.partymart.com…]

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shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 11:34:44am

re: #111 recusancy

It’s hard to be effective at your job when you’re ~~ideologically against the institution that your job is a part of~~ a fucking imbecile.

FTFY

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elizajane Wed, May 25, 2011 11:35:14am

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

And I’m sure that if I were being introduced to it only in its proper medical role, I would think it was quite cool and ingenious. (Don’t blame the tech, folks, it’s not the probe’s fault.)

Probes don’t rape women, Republican lawmakers rape women.

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Simply Sarah Wed, May 25, 2011 11:35:33am

re: #112 Kewalo

It’s very easy to take for granted something you didn’t have to personally fight to achieve.

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makeitstop Wed, May 25, 2011 11:35:49am

re: #113 EmmmieG

Totally OT—

Here we have a “classic” Snow White outfit (that’s what it says).

I have to agree that this is exactly what Snow White looked like in the movie. Yep. Can’t see any major differences.

(Note: Rated PG. You won’t get fired, but your boss might wonder.)

[Link: www.partymart.com…]

Snow White as she would have appeared if Hugh Hefner were running the show instead of Walt Disney.

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Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 11:36:33am

re: #106 albusteve

I think more and more people are seriously questioning govt leadership and effectiveness…I’ve been sick and tired of being misled and lied to for years

They are questioning it all and not liking the answers they find. Unfortunately, they’re then buying into the GOP’s snake oil that says that the solution is to make it all “smaller,” that the GOP is the party that can end it all by just doing away with “big government.” Meanwhile, they’re the ones throwing monkey wrenches into the gears of government, then bitching that it’s not working as advertised.

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recusancy Wed, May 25, 2011 11:36:53am

Mitt’s flip flopping all over the place again.

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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, May 25, 2011 11:37:10am

re: #113 EmmmieG
Hubba Hubba…Achooo….
signed
Sneazy

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shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 11:37:22am

re: #117 makeitstop

Snow White as she would have appeared if Hugh Hefner were running the show instead of Walt Disney.

No wonder the Queen was so eager to get rid of her.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, May 25, 2011 11:37:42am

re: #119 recusancy

Mitt’s flip flopping all over the place again.

i swear there must be something in the water in Mass. Kerry, Brown, Romney all of them flip flop so fast it makes your head spin.

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blueraven Wed, May 25, 2011 11:38:06am

re: #68 Simply Sarah

Well, I think part of it is that there just hasn’t been a cause and a leader to really energize the base to action for a while. I mean, sure Obama got some people worked up and cheering, but even he didn’t seem to really get people to go and act. He’s no Jack Kennedy.

I think that is a bit disingenuous. Obama is not responsible for peoples actions. Congress could be more helpful along with activist groups. The president cant take up each and every cause personally. Even JFK couldn’t do that.

Not meant to be a put down at all but, what have you done? As well as all of us who abhor these laws. Do we have to be prodded and inspired by someone else?

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recusancy Wed, May 25, 2011 11:38:27am

re: #122 Dreggas

i swear there must be something in the water in Mass. Kerry, Brown, Romney all of them flip flop so fast it makes your head spin.

Brown’s just a dunce.

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albusteve Wed, May 25, 2011 11:38:48am

re: #118 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They are questioning it all and not liking the answers they find. Unfortunately, they’re then buying into the GOP’s snake oil that says that the solution is to make it all “smaller,” that the GOP is the party that can end it all by just doing away with “big government.” Meanwhile, they’re the ones throwing monkey wrenches into the gears of government, then bitching that it’s not working as advertised.

whatever, if you think the democrats will save your ass once the GOP implodes you are wrong…they are all in it together and the product sucks

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darthstar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:39:02am

re: #119 recusancy

Mitt’s flip flopping all over the place again.

He’s like a goldfish on a hot sidewalk. You have to wonder what it’s like in the Romney household.

“Good morning, dear.”
“Christ, Mitt…could you just go outside and bore someone else for a while?”

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Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 11:39:22am

re: #119 recusancy

Mitt’s flip flopping all over the place again.

Romney’s this election’s Kerry, the guy whose positions depend upon where the poll numbers are. Next week, he’ll say that it was his idea, but it was a bad one and he can’t believe anybody would go through with it.

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allegro Wed, May 25, 2011 11:39:27am

re: #107 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They campaigned on jobs, but you had to be listening closely to realize where they thought those jobs were going to come from. From “smaller government,” from more tax cuts, from more deregulation, from destroying the social safety net, and so forth. The GOP shouted “MORE JOBS!” as high as their vocal cords would allow, but only the gullible and willfully blind didn’t read the fine print.

I totally agree with you. WE know this because we pay attention. I cannot tell you how many people I meet who are completely ignorant of what is going on. All they hear is the “MORE JOBS” part, if that. In Texas they also get a good dose of “them librals is EVIL” as well what with us hating god and babies like we do. There is simply no counter to this message allowing the lies to go on unchallenged.

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darthstar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:39:36am

re: #124 recusancy

Brown’s just a dunce.

He has a truck.

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shutdown Wed, May 25, 2011 11:39:40am

re: #122 Dreggas

i swear there must be something in the water in Mass. Kerry, Brown, Romney all of them flip flop so fast it makes your head spin.

Maybe he can invent some sort of computer networking thingy to spread all the good news about all the ideas he has had first. He can call it, ummm, let’s see - interneat, or internatty, or something.

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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, May 25, 2011 11:40:24am

re: #129 darthstar

He has a truck.

What are you implying???

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Four More Tears Wed, May 25, 2011 11:40:44am

re: #130 imp_62

Maybe he can invent some sort of computer networking thingy to spread all the good news about all the ideas he has had first. He can call it, ummm, let’s see - interneat, or internatty, or something.

Throw in a little ant-science in ther and he can call it the “internot.”

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Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:41:14am

re: #130 imp_62

Maybe he can invent some sort of computer networking thingy to spread all the good news about all the ideas he has had first. He can call it, ummm, let’s see - interneat, or internatty, or something.

Telelectroscopy

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HoosierHoops Wed, May 25, 2011 11:42:14am

re: #130 imp_62

Maybe he can invent some sort of computer networking thingy to spread all the good news about all the ideas he has had first. He can call it, ummm, let’s see - interneat, or internatty, or something.

LOL
It’s called the Internet..I invented it!
/You are late on this months bill

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darthstar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:42:19am

re: #127 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Romney’s this election’s Kerry, the guy whose positions depend upon where the poll numbers are. Next week, he’ll say that it was his idea, but it was a bad one and he can’t believe anybody would go through with it.

Well, he’s giving President Obama credit for a successful bailout while trying to claim he thought of it first - if only he’d beaten McCain in the primary… But giving Obama validation for what was, in fact, a good move for the Auto Industry and the country, won’t play well with the GOP. They hate admitting that Obama did something right - and claiming they would have done it too doesn’t take away from the fact that they didn’t.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, May 25, 2011 11:42:46am

re: #129 darthstar

He has a truck.

but does he own a horse?

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Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 11:43:06am

re: #125 albusteve

whatever, if you think the democrats will save your ass once the GOP implodes you are wrong…they are all in it together and the product sucks

I don’t believe the Democrats are gonna save me, don’t really think there’s a political party that can save me. But when the choice is between “bad” and “worse,” I’d much rather have the former.

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Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:43:27am

Took me a while to find it.

The Evangelical Adoption Crusade

In late March Craig Juntunen told a group of Christian adoption advocates assembled at a Chandler, Arizona, home about his plans to increase international adoptions fivefold. Just over a year before, the world had been riveted by the saga of Laura Silsby, the American missionary arrested while trying to transport Haitian children across the Dominican border. But the lessons of that scandal seemed far from Juntunen’s mind as he described his “crusade to create a culture of adoption” by simplifying adoption’s labyrinthine ethical complexities to their emotional core. Juntunen, a former pro football quarterback and the adoptive father of three Haitian children, has emerged as a somewhat rogue figure in the adoption world since he recently founded an unorthodox nonprofit, Both Ends Burning. He has commissioned a documentary about desperate orphans in teeming institutions, Wrongfully Detained, and proposed a “clearinghouse model” that will raise the number of children adopted into US families to more than 50,000 per year.

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Varek Raith Wed, May 25, 2011 11:43:28am

re: #136 Dreggas

but does he own a horse?

I have a dracolich.
That count???

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Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:43:48am

re: #136 Dreggas

but does he own a horse?

/disconnects

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Simply Sarah Wed, May 25, 2011 11:44:16am

re: #123 blueraven

I think that is a bit disingenuous. Obama is not responsible for peoples actions. Congress could be more helpful along with activist groups. The president cant take up each and every cause personally. Even JFK couldn’t do that.

Not meant to be a put down at all but, what have you done? As well as all of us who abhor these laws. Do we have to be prodded and inspired by someone else?

No, no. It’s a fair question. I haven’t done as much as I could or really should, especially since I’ve started working. I’ve done a bit of organizing, but on this issue I’ve done less than for LGBT issues, since elected Massachusetts officials have, in general, been fairly receptive and supportive of women compared to much of the rest of the country.

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darthstar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:44:21am

re: #131 reloadingisnotahobby

What are you implying???

That was his campaign trick…he drove around MA in his truck…all “regular guy” and shit…and it worked.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, May 25, 2011 11:44:26am

re: #132 JasonA

Throw in a little ant-science in ther and he can call it the “internot.”

ANT-SCIENCE!

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recusancy Wed, May 25, 2011 11:44:26am

re: #137 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don’t believe the Democrats are gonna save me, don’t really think there’s a political party that can save me. But when the choice is between “bad” and “worse,” I’d much rather have the former.

but but… everybody sucks! I hate everybody!

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Varek Raith Wed, May 25, 2011 11:45:36am

re: #143 Slumbering Behemoth

ANT-SCIENCE!

The Orkin man is screwed.

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Decatur Deb Wed, May 25, 2011 11:45:40am

re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Took me a while to find it.

The Evangelical Adoption Crusade

Brings to mind the brain-dead “relief workers” who were busted for moving Haitian kids across the Dominican border.

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Targetpractice Wed, May 25, 2011 11:46:07am

re: #135 darthstar

Well, he’s giving President Obama credit for a successful bailout while trying to claim he thought of it first - if only he’d beaten McCain in the primary… But giving Obama validation for what was, in fact, a good move for the Auto Industry and the country, won’t play well with the GOP. They hate admitting that Obama did something right - and claiming they would have done it too doesn’t take away from the fact that they didn’t.

Kerry was the same in ‘04. “I voted against the Iraq War…but I think it’s good that we’re ‘winning’…but I voted against more money for it…after I’d voted for it…”

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makeitstop Wed, May 25, 2011 11:46:16am

re: #134 HoosierHoops

LOL
It’s called the Internet..I invented it!
/You are late on this months bill

Good to see you today, HH. How did your area fare yesterday? Hopefully, not too bad.

And I’m sorry I called your dog a cat on the open thread. Apologies to Winston.

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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, May 25, 2011 11:46:24am

re: #142 darthstar
Right1
Around here we have sayings for everything….in this case..
…All hat ..no horse….

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albusteve Wed, May 25, 2011 11:46:49am

re: #144 recusancy

but but… everybody sucks! I hate everybody!

get some therapy…that’s no way to live

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makeitstop Wed, May 25, 2011 11:47:25am

re: #142 darthstar

That was his campaign trick…he drove around MA in his truck…all “regular guy” and shit…and it worked.

I take it he didn’t have it towed to within a mile of his appearances like Fred Thompson did.

(It was ol’ Fred, wasn’t it?)

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, May 25, 2011 11:47:30am

re: #139 Varek Raith

I have a dracolich.
That count???

only if it knows how magnets work.

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Kragar Wed, May 25, 2011 11:47:34am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Brings to mind the brain-dead “relief workers” who were busted for moving Haitian kids across the Dominican border.

They’re discussed at length in the article.

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Decatur Deb Wed, May 25, 2011 11:48:53am

re: #153 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They’re discussed at length in the article.

I didn’t know there would be reading. (I’m engaged in AGW on the Pages.)

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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, May 25, 2011 11:49:37am

re: #142 darthstar

That was his campaign trick…he drove around MA in his truck…all “regular guy” and shit…and it worked.

Around here people use the Chevy Colorado for a golf cart…
not a real truck by most standards…LOL

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HoosierHoops Wed, May 25, 2011 11:51:43am

re: #148 makeitstop

Good to see you today, HH. How did your area fare yesterday? Hopefully, not too bad.

And I’m sorry I called your dog a cat on the open thread. Apologies to Winston.

scared the heck out of me..The Tornado’s missed us but not by much…
It was on path to hit OU so thank God the university was spared…
The sky was really intense going overhead…
I wanted to call my boss and ask him why he transfered me here…

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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, May 25, 2011 11:51:45am

Rarely have I read a more concise and well reasoned opinion on how the United States should handle the Middle East… J/K ;)

Jewhating obamunists have the next move. It could be to pull military assistance, specifically fighters, tankers and parts. This would allow Commander Magicnegro and the Sorosians to finish their agitprop campaign (Arab Spring read “Nazi Spring”) with Aryan (Iran) and Pureland (Pakistan) to merge their nuke programs into a viable threat with a deployable atomic. Then the Alliance triggers an invasion from Lebanon, Syria, Jordan Egypt or even the ocean. Ineffective air power would doom Israel.

That leaves Israel with one option once Magicnegro is re-elected; nuke the living shit out of as many sand nazis as it can.

It would not be my choice, it will involve millions of deaths since atomic war always involves civilians. But unless the Administration ceases its anti-Israel policy or God himself intervenes, it’s inevitable.

Checkmate Barry, you punkass commie jewhating piece of dogshit. Where do you go now?

[Link: www.moonbattery.com…]

Sigh…wut?..I don’t even….I uhh…well…sorry, but basically speechless here. :(

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Simply Sarah Wed, May 25, 2011 11:51:50am

re: #123 blueraven

I think that is a bit disingenuous. Obama is not responsible for peoples actions. Congress could be more helpful along with activist groups. The president cant take up each and every cause personally. Even JFK couldn’t do that.

Not meant to be a put down at all but, what have you done? As well as all of us who abhor these laws. Do we have to be prodded and inspired by someone else?

To add a bit more, I’m not really blaming Obama. The final bit of my comment was, and I should have made this more clear, said in semi-jest. Really, I think the bigger reason is the undercurrent of society just hasn’t been ideal for the left to really organize and much of the left has become complacent as some of the more obvious inequalities have become obscured from view.

It’s easy to take abortion for granted because it’s (sorta) legal. Racism/sexism/etc. is easier to ignore because it either is being done is less hamfisted ways or is being done to groups that are smaller, less visible, or just easier for people to dismiss. Pollution is easier to forget because fewer rivers, streams, and lakes are unnaturally colored and cities are less often choked by visible smog. These are the sorts of things that lead to people being complacent.

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Decatur Deb Wed, May 25, 2011 11:53:31am

re: #157 ausador

Rarely have I read a more concise and well reasoned opinion on how the United States should handle the Middle East… J/K ;)

[Link: www.moonbattery.com…]

Sigh…wut?..I don’t even…I uhh…well…sorry, but basically speechless here. :(

Future Secretary of State, there.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 25, 2011 11:53:58am

So the GOP is literally wagging a large dildo around and telling women that the GOP will fuck them with it (one would assume that is what trans-vaginal means) … fabulous.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, May 25, 2011 11:54:43am

re: #158 Simply Sarah

well said.

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wrenchwench Wed, May 25, 2011 12:00:23pm

re: #112 Kewalo

I was among the women that marched and generally raised hell back in the 70’s over the abortion issue. For years now women of my generation have been warning the younger women to be careful. That many of us believed the right was going to try and change the laws back. And nobody listened. Our warning was brushed off and younger women were indifferent. Now it’s coming back to bite them in the ass and as far as I’m concerned I’ve already done my share and they should damn well get out there and fight for their rights. I’m not pissed at the right, they’re doing what they said they were going to do. I am pissed at the young women on the left for not being vigilant.

And as you say “The ball is now in their court.”

Wrong attitude, if I may be so bold. It is a generational fight. There were old, experienced women working on this in the 70’s, they didn’t let you down.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, May 25, 2011 12:13:11pm

re: #142 darthstar

That was his campaign trick…he drove around MA in his truck…all “regular guy” and shit…and it worked.

“My name is Scott Brown…and I drive a truck.”

I never totally got the significance of the truck, but it is clearly important.

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Kewalo Wed, May 25, 2011 12:23:01pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

Wrong attitude, if I may be so bold. It is a generational fight. There were old, experienced women working on this in the 70’s, they didn’t let you down.

Sure it’s been a generational fight. And don’t think we didn’t appreciate our older sisters when it came to the fight for abortion rights. That’s part of the point.

For years we older women have been trying to get younger women involved. And maybe if they had done something over the past 20 yrs I might feel differently. And while there have been a few younger women trying to get through to their sisters, most young women have just ignored all the signs that the right was determined to overturn Roe.

So they got complacent…they ignored the little signs that the right was trying to overturn Roe v Wade. And now we are in a crisis (IMO). And I am tired…and pissed. It almost looks like they may have to start over. So, maybe I do have the wrong attitude. But it’s just too damn bad.

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TedStriker Wed, May 25, 2011 12:35:44pm

re: #10 imp_62

What exactly was so great about the 19th century that the right wing wants so badly to bring it back?

Almost total political power for (mostly rich) white guys…females and minorities need not apply.

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lockjawcanbefun Wed, May 25, 2011 1:13:58pm

re: #6 theheat

I’d really like to see that particular piece of equipment shoved up its supporter’s asses. Sideways.

“I know this seems intrusive, Mr. Legislator. But I’m sure once we find your head lodged up there, I’m sure you’re not going to want to have it removed while it is still developing.”

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JRCMYP Wed, May 25, 2011 5:11:53pm

I’ve had one of these up my vagina before. It never, ever found any jobs whatsoever.

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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 8:22:58am

Ouch!

I hope the TSA doesn’t find out about this device.

While I’m sure the braniacs in Congress thought the “sonagram” would be a simple procedure of putting a transducer on a mother’s abdomen, wherein she’d see a heart-wrenching image of her fetus waving at her on a monitor, this is a good reason why medical procedures should be determined by Doctors and not Congressmen.

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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 8:27:11am

re: #22 imp_62

I think Michael Moore is a pig. That said, he was on MSNBC last night and said something I agree with, and would expand. He said that the GOP has already lost the 2012 election, and is now working on losing 2016, as well. What is really going on is that the centre has lost control of the party to the right-wing extremists.

Now let’s hope the Democrats don’t get taken over by left-wing Extremists!

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ReamWorks SKG Thu, May 26, 2011 8:28:31am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Slavery and Women couldn’t vote.

Women’s suffrage didn’t happen until 20th century! (The 19th amendment.) For the record, I’m opposed to it. :-)

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