Deserting a Sinking Ship: Gingrich’s Entire Iowa Campaign Staff Resigns

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Newt Gingrich’s entire team of paid Iowa campaign staff, as well as his national spokesman and senior aides in New Hampshire and South Carolina, have resigned en masse, a staffer told The Des Moines Register.

“You have to be able to raise money to run a campaign and you have to invest time in fundraising and to campaign here in the state and I did not have the confidence that was going to be happening,” said Craig Schoenfeld, the Iowa executive director of Newt 2012.

Schoenfeld said all six of Gingrich’s remaining paid staff here resigned today: Katie Koberg, deputy director; Page Thorson, coalitions director; Daniel Weiser, field staff; Ryan Keller, field staff; and Joe Heuertz, field staff.

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1 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 12:59:50pm

Reposted tweeting goodness from Phil Plait:

Bad news: Newt Gingrich's staff quits en masse. Good news: They all get parting gifts from Tiffany's.

2 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:00:36pm

They know something and so far they are keeping quiet. I wonder who will be the first to talk.

3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:00:53pm

Off the record they said they could no longer be part of a campaign that was planning to be even more bat shit insane than the other potential nominees who were bat shit insane to the level of around 11. One was quoted as saying "Newt wanted to take it to 12 and there's no way we can get to 12"

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:01:04pm

It's early. They might have a chance to get on a more successful campaign.

5 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:01:13pm

Seriously though, the question is where all these staffers are going from here - and some may jump to Rick Perry who's mulling a run. Some of Newt's top ex-aides who quit have good connections with Perry.

6 ihateronpaul  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:01:37pm

AHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA

7 garhighway  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:01:47pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Seriously though, the question is where all these staffers are going from here - and some may jump to Rick Perry who's mulling a run. Some of Newt's top ex-aides who quit have good connections with Perry.

That's the happy speculation at Redstate.

8 makeitstop  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:01:53pm

I think the word Craig Schoenfeld is looking for is 'dilettante.'

: a person having a superficial interest in an art or a branch of knowledge : dabbler

9 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:02:15pm

Newt is already creating jobs and he isn't even President yet!!!
/

10 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:02:17pm

Chances are good that there's a really juicy scandal approaching for Gingrich.

11 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:03:17pm

re: #10 Charles

Chances are good that there's a really juicy scandal approaching for Gingrich.


He came back from Greece with a new(er) WIFE??

12 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:03:39pm

one of those resigning RicK Tyler just a few weeks ago:

“The literati sent out their minions to do their bidding. Washington cannot tolerate threats from outsiders who might disrupt their comfortable world. The firefight started when the cowardly sensed weakness. They fired timidly at first, then the sheep not wanting to be dropped from the establishment’s cocktail party invite list unloaded their entire clip, firing without taking aim their distortions and falsehoods. Now they are left exposed by their bylines and handles.

“But surely they had killed him off. This is the way it always worked. A lesser person could not have survived the first few minutes of the onslaught. But out of the billowing smoke and dust of tweets and trivia emerged Gingrich, once again ready to lead those who won’t be intimated by the political elite and are ready to take on the challenges America faces.”

13 makeitstop  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:03:52pm

re: #10 Charles

Chances are good that there's a really juicy scandal approaching for Gingrich.

As long as it doesn't have anything to do with Twitter and pics of Gingrich's Little Republican, I can handle it.

14 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:03:56pm

re: #11 reloadingisnotahobby

He came back from Greece with a new(er) WIFE??

a husband...when in Greece

//

15 Interesting Times  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:03:56pm

re: #10 Charles

Chances are good that there's a really juicy scandal approaching for Gingrich.

He tweeted pics of "little newt"?

16 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:04:06pm

Is he still in Greece?

17 Alexzander  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:04:53pm

re: #11 reloadingisnotahobby

He came back from Greece with a new(er) WIFE??

Nah, just reupholstered.

//(bad Kanye West joke).

18 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:04:57pm

please be a secret love tryst with breitbart, please please please

19 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:05:04pm

re: #11 reloadingisnotahobby

He came back from Greece with a new(er) WIFE??

It's just a souvenir.

20 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:05:42pm

re: #16 SpaceJesus

Is he still in Greece?

You misspelled grease....and yes,deep!

21 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:06:34pm

OT - Ed Rollins just quit the Bachmann campaign? That's via Podhoretz twitter

22 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:07:11pm

re: #21 lawhawk

OT - Ed Rollins just quit the Bachmann campaign? That's via Podhoretz twitter

Ahahaha...that would be a hoot if true.

23 makeitstop  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:07:55pm

re: #21 lawhawk

OT - Ed Rollins just quit the Bachmann campaign? That's via Podhoretz twitter

Well, that was a lasting relationship./

24 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:08:43pm

re: #23 makeitstop

Well, that was a lasting relationship./

God told him to leave.
/half

25 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:08:49pm

Evidently someone needs to take the shovel from old Newt's hand!

26 abolitionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:09:24pm

I'm guessing someone hacked into Breitbart's phone and/or laptop. (Or that that's how it will be reported.)

27 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:09:25pm

Now, if only Newt, Palin and Paul go out and run their own independent teabag campaigns for president....

28 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:09:30pm

Newt's a douche and his penis is tiny.

29 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:09:38pm

RNC may be in some doo-doo maybe not legally but this is dirty pool. Then again it is the RNC...

30 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:09:48pm

re: #28 Jeff In Ohio

Newt's a douche and his penis is tiny.

This would have to be a recent revelation.

31 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:09:54pm

OT-AB in on my radio. Fuck.

32 thatthatisis  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:10:43pm

It is less surprising that they're all quitting Gingrich's campaign, than that they signed up in the first place!

33 makeitstop  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:11:11pm

re: #28 Jeff In Ohio

Newt's a douche and his penis is tiny.

So you're saying he's gonna need a 'macro' setting on his phone?
/

34 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:11:40pm

re: #32 thatthatisis

It is less surprising that they're all quitting Gingrich's campaign, than that they signed up in the first place!

In this economy, a paycheck's a paycheck.

35 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:11:42pm

Beck is going to Auschwitz to promote his new 8-24 project thing

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

36 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:11:56pm

re: #30 EmmmieG

This would have to be a recent revelation.

Newt's a douche and he can't get a boner.

37 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:12:19pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Beck is going to Auschwitz to promote his new 8-24 project thing

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

*facepalm*

38 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:12:33pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Beck is going to Auschwitz to promote his new 8-24 project thing

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

*sigh*

39 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:12:49pm

re: #36 Jeff In Ohio

Newt's a douche and he can't get a boner.

Bob Dole can help

40 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:13:05pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Beck is going to Auschwitz to promote his new 8-24 project thing

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

I don't think I even want to ask what "8-24" is supposed to stand for.

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:13:11pm

re: #16 SpaceJesus

Is he still in Greece?

If Greece wants him, they can have him. It's a present. Like that wooden horse.

42 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:13:18pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus
Oy vey.

43 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:13:34pm

re: #39 Dreggas

Bob Dole can help

LOL, you totally win the internet.

44 Kragar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:13:39pm

re: #10 Charles

Chances are good that there's a really juicy scandal approaching for Gingrich.

Or someone at the office had an epiphany.

"Hey...This guy is a dirtbag. Hey, Jerry, you ever notice that before?"
"You know what...I think you're right, get the others in here!"
"HEY EVERYBODY, GET IN HERE, WE JUST MADE A BREAK THROUGH!"

45 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:13:58pm

re: #21 lawhawk

OT - Ed Rollins just quit the Bachmann campaign? That's via Podhoretz twitter

Holy cow! They're dropping like gold plated, diamond encrusted flies!

This happened to Katherine Harris. Her entire campaign eventually up and quit, she was so crazy. And we pretty much never heard of her again.

[Link: articles.orlandosentinel.com...]

46 Alexzander  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:14:04pm

re: #40 Bulworth

I don't think I even want to ask what "8-24" is supposed to stand for.

I think its just the date of his Israel event.

47 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:14:33pm

re: #40 Bulworth

I don't think I even want to ask what "8-24" is supposed to stand for.

That would be -16.

48 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:14:44pm

While a juicy scandal would be fun, the problem may have been even more fundamental. He's just not serious about winning, and proved it by taking a vacation during a critical time. His campaign already had trouble with his image and funding. But instead of sticking around and trying to improve either he took a trip from his usual residence in fantasy land to Greece.

49 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:14:56pm

re: #45 marjoriemoon

Holy cow! They're dropping like gold plated, diamond encrusted flies!

This happened to Katherine Harris. Her entire campaign eventually up and quit, she was so crazy. And we pretty much never heard of her again.

[Link: articles.orlandosentinel.com...]

Funny that. I haven't heard of Katherine Harris is a loooonnng time. Don't miss her.

50 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:15:21pm

Republicans introduce plan to increase Jobless claims.

51 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:15:21pm

I'm afraid I couldn't be in the same room with the arogant prick!!
...Evidently I'm not alone...

52 blueraven  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:15:21pm

re: #10 Charles

Chances are good that there's a really juicy scandal approaching for Gingrich.

Lets just hope its not a photo of his...you know, weiner.

53 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:15:37pm

I keep trying to come up with some career-ending scandal, and I can't come up with anything better than having left not one but two wives for younger models WHILE THE WIFE WAS SICK.

Dropping the N-bomb on a recorded call somewhere, maybe?

54 makeitstop  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:16:02pm

Newt releases a statement:

"I am committed to running the substantive, solutions-oriented campaign I set out to run earlier this spring," he wrote. "The campaign begins anew Sunday in Los Angeles."

Shorter Newt: I get a do-over.

55 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:16:04pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist


gingrich is the face that launched a thousands ships (to leave greece and never come back)

56 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:16:30pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Beck is going to Auschwitz to promote his new 8-24 project thing

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

I'm confused. I don't get it. How is going to Auschwitz going to help his new media venture? I read the link, still confused...

57 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:16:37pm

re: #50 Dreggas

Republicans introduce plan to increase Jobless claims.

People who want to cut 10% across the top are the stupidest motherfuckers, I swear. It's the most patently idiotic way to try to save money.

58 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:16:55pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Beck is going to Auschwitz to promote his new 8-24 project thing

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

I like how he calls it a trainwreck waiting to happen. At least he is honest.

59 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:17:50pm

re: #56 marjoriemoon

He explains that it is part of formulating the "story" of 8-24

It's kind of vague, but I can imagine what he is going to do with it

60 iossarian  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:18:19pm

re: #57 Obdicut

People who want to cut 10% across the top are the stupidest motherfuckers, I swear. It's the most patently idiotic way to try to save money.

The 10% never seems to include the people doing the cutting, either.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:18:24pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Beck is going to Auschwitz to promote his new 8-24 project thing

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

If Greece wants him, we can make it a two-fer. Or Poland can have him, as long as he's there. Share the wealth.

62 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:19:08pm

re: #53 EmmmieG

I keep trying to come up with some career-ending scandal, and I can't come up with anything better than having left not one but two wives for younger models WHILE THE WIFE WAS SICK.

Dropping the N-bomb on a recorded call somewhere, maybe?

Something involving money or taxes might be the clencher for old Newt since no one seems to care much whom he schtups. He'd have to be a Democrat for that.

63 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:20:25pm

re: #54 makeitstop

Newt releases a statement:


Shorter Newt: I get a do-over.

Apparently it will start anew with a bunch of help-wanted ads.

64 Kragar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:20:43pm

re: #63 Bulworth

Apparently it will start anew with a bunch of help-wanted ads.

JOBS!

65 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:20:50pm

Here's my serious guess:

The staff had given Newt an ultimatum that he had to do something (don't ask me what, I'm not a strategist) to have a serious campaign.

He went on the cruise to think it over, came back and said no.

They're bailing because the campaign doesn't have a chance if the only two people he listens to are Newt and his wife.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:21:58pm

re: #53 EmmmieG

I keep trying to come up with some career-ending scandal, and I can't come up with anything better than having left not one but two wives for younger models WHILE THE WIFE WAS SICK.

Dropping the N-bomb on a recorded call somewhere, maybe?

1. Gay sex scandal

2. Underage girl sex scandal

3. Underage gay sex scandal

4. Really hard to spin financial malfeasance

5. He could be sick--some things you can power through and keep campaigning, but serious cancer, or HIV or something might be the end of it

6. Drugs

7. Nazi uniform? (Reagan got away with it, but he was in a COMMERCIAL movie.)

8. He actually became a Muslim?

67 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:22:21pm

re: #65 EmmmieG


And the salesperson at Tiffany's

68 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:22:35pm

ROFLMAO PWNED!!!!11ty

69 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:22:37pm

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

Poland did nothing to deserve that.

Greece on the other hand...

70 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:22:56pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

#8...Now your stretching it...

71 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:23:05pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

1. Gay sex scandal

2. Underage girl sex scandal

3. Underage gay sex scandal

4. Really hard to spin financial malfeasance

5. He could be sick--some things you can power through and keep campaigning, but serious cancer, or HIV or something might be the end of it

6. Drugs

7. Nazi uniform? (Reagan got away with it, but he was in a COMMERCIAL movie.)

8. He actually became a Muslim?

Oh dear, Newt has a rent-boy? On the cruise? Say it isn't so? LOL

72 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:23:08pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

1. Gay sex scandal

2. Underage girl sex scandal

3. Underage gay sex scandal

4. Really hard to spin financial malfeasance

5. He could be sick--some things you can power through and keep campaigning, but serious cancer, or HIV or something might be the end of it

6. Drugs

7. Nazi uniform? (Reagan got away with it, but he was in a COMMERCIAL movie.)

8. He actually became a Muslim?

Actually, #6 could be legit. Him or his wife. Prescription stuff--they're too posh for street drugs.

73 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:23:16pm

re: #57 Obdicut

People who want to cut 10% across the top are the stupidest motherfuckers, I swear. It's the most patently idiotic way to try to save money.

It's not even a way to save money. It's just a pathetic attempt to toss out a number and hope it sticks. They know damn well that their idiocy isn't going to happen. It's all for show.

74 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:23:31pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist
You think? //

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:23:47pm

re: #56 marjoriemoon

I'm confused. I don't get it. How is going to Auschwitz going to help his new media venture? I read the link, still confused...

I think this has to do with his Israel adventure. It's like March of the Living, except with Glenn Beck. He goes to Auschwitz, cries a lot, tells his weird-ass version of the Shoah, and then goes triumphantly to Israel.

76 Randy W. Weeks  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:24:36pm

I'm hoping he called from Greece and said he wasn't coming back.

77 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:24:51pm

re: #68 Dreggas

ROFLMAO PWNED!!!11ty

That was today...I think his remark was cut by the time og broadcast
in our area..LOL

78 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:25:02pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist
I hope Israel does not let him in. Beck needs some serious help.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:26:13pm

re: #69 ProLifeLiberal

Poland did nothing to deserve that.

Greece on the other hand...

I imagine him sitting like Niobe, in the Krakow airport, crying for all eternity...

80 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:26:13pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

I think this has to do with his Israel adventure. It's like March of the Living, except with Glenn Beck. He goes to Auschwitz, cries a lot, tells his weird-ass version of the Shoah, and then goes triumphantly to Israel.

Ok... but he seems to mention specifically his media venture (only $9.99 a month) and this 8-24 thing which I don't really know what that is.

81 nines09  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:26:49pm

I was hoping that this self righteous delusional pandering toad would go out under the big lights and get torn to pieces. But maybe a scandal? Oh, please let it come to light. It can't happen to a nicer sociopath lying weasel. Now he can go on Fox and lie his fat ass off. All this after kneeling at the feet of Ryan? PRICELESS.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:27:25pm

re: #71 marjoriemoon

Oh dear, Newt has a rent-boy? On the cruise? Say it isn't so? LOL

I doubt it. I'm fairly sure the guy is straight--as one of Bridget Jones' friends says, "as straight as a very straight...penis".

83 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:28:19pm

re: #80 marjoriemoon

Ok... but he seems to mention specifically his media venture (only $9.99 a month) and this 8-24 thing which I don't really know what that is.

A twist on 24/7...?
..oh...and in his world there are 8 days a week like in
the Beatles song??
...ok ..I got nothin!

84 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:30:13pm

It might not be a scandal at all. COuld be, the staffers were sitting around, waiting for Newt to show up, and one person blurted out the obvious.

"I can't fucking stand that guy."

"Me neither."

"What? Okay, me too. I think he's icky."

"Fuck, he's a creep."

"Yeah. I guess he really is."

"Okay, happy hour starts in an hour. I'm buying."

And they all left.

The end.

85 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:30:39pm

re: #83 reloadingisnotahobby

A twist on 24/7...?
..oh...and in his world there are 8 days a week like in
the Beatles song??
...ok ..I got nothin!

It would be a variation on last years 9-12 shtick. He produced a numbered list of platitudes to reflect "the day after 9/11".

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:31:04pm

[Link: www.glennbeck.com...]
FAQ's half way down. didn't look at them.

87 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:31:25pm

re: #84 theheat

The most plausible scenario put forth yet!!
LOL

88 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:32:55pm

The whole thing sounds to me like a couple of the top guys let it be known among the staff that they were splittin', and that in turn caused the remaining exodus.

89 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:33:43pm

re: #88 Bulworth

I think it was dollar well drinks that lured them away.

90 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:33:56pm

re: #88 Bulworth

The whole thing sounds to me like a couple of the top guys let it be known among the staff that they were splittin', and that in turn caused the remaining exodus.


Your no fun.....
/
Where's your imagination...

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:34:09pm

re: #78 PhillyPretzel

I hope Israel does not let him in. Beck needs some serious help.

I don't know if being kept out of Israel will help.

I also don't know if they'd bother to not admit him. He's not a big problem, or a big draw, from an Israeli perspective.

92 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:34:14pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

It would be a variation on last years 9-12 shtick. He produced a numbered list of platitudes to reflect "the day after 9/11".

What happened on August 23?

93 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:34:16pm

re: #12 Dreggas

one of those resigning RicK Tyler just a few weeks ago:

Don't miss the John Lithgow performance of this (Colbert Report), if you haven't already seen it.

94 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:34:26pm

re: #84 theheat
a feasible possiblity

95 leftynyc  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:34:27pm

re: #41 SanFranciscoZionist

If Greece wants him, they can have him. It's a present. Like that wooden horse.


Nooooooo - I'm going to Greece in 3 weeks and I want the stench of him long gone.

96 abolitionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:35:36pm

Newt Gingrich Presidential Campaign Staff Quits; Might Indicate TX Gov Perry is In?

Fox News is reporting that most of Newt Gingrich’s senior campaign staff has resigned. The news network is attributing the mass exodus to parties being unable to reach an agreement on fundamental campaign strategies. Translation: Newt’s Done.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:35:45pm

re: #80 marjoriemoon

Ok... but he seems to mention specifically his media venture (only $9.99 a month) and this 8-24 thing which I don't really know what that is.

I thought 8-24 was the date he'd chosen for the rally. As for the new media thing, I guess he's going indy.

98 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:35:46pm

re: #93 C1nnabar

Don't miss the John Lithgow performance of this (Colbert Report), if you haven't already seen it.

Of course when you're forced to pen that absurd "response" on Newt's behalf, you probably can't get much sleep afterwards.

99 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:36:01pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

True. I was trying to get 2 thoughts into one post. I am not a fast typist.

100 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:36:26pm

re: #1 lawhawk

Reposted tweeting goodness from Phil Plait:

Hilarious!

101 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:36:35pm

re: #92 Lidane

What happened on August 23?

Something of significance in Becklandia. (Also, the date approximated the planned rally date, though it is too hard to stick the landing this fat out.)

102 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:37:07pm

re: #95 leftynyc

Cool..
Could you bring me back one of those
bitchin Traditional vests?...XL please..
..and hat? 7- 3/8...
Thanks in advance!
/

103 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:37:27pm

re: #96 abolitionist

Newt Gingrich Presidential Campaign Staff Quits; Might Indicate TX Gov Perry is In?

Fox News is reporting that most of Newt Gingrich’s senior campaign staff has resigned. The news network is attributing the mass exodus to parties being unable to reach an agreement on fundamental campaign strategies. Translation: Newt’s Done.

Right. Because people are totally going to elect another Texas governor to the White House, especially after the last one.

104 BishopX  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:37:31pm

So we know the base is wacko, but is what's left of the republican establishment wacko too? Is this the result of some behind the scenes maneuvering to anoint Romney?

105 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:38:17pm

re: #96 abolitionist

Perry has the big hair, big Christian, big state o' Texas thing going. Like an evangelist. The base eats that shit up. Fox will have a whole year of semi-literate Obama bashing Real America™ quips to spin. Newt doesn't have as much sales appeal.

106 abolitionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:40:41pm

re: #103 Lidane

Right. Because people are totally going to elect another Texas governor to the White House, especially after the last one.

The quoted part mentioned a reason for the exodus. The headline was merely reproduced --not commentary or advocacy on my part.

107 leftynyc  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:40:51pm

re: #102 reloadingisnotahobby

Cool..
Could you bring me back one of those
bitchin Traditional vests?...XL please..
..and hat? 7- 3/8...
Thanks in advance!
/


I've been going just about every year since 1994 and I have no idea what a traditional vest is. Do you have a pic? We go to Mykonos to lay on the beach all day and party all night.

108 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:40:55pm

re: #103 Lidane

Right. Because people are totally going to elect another Texas governor to the White House, especially after the last one.

That history is already being re-written to blame Dems for the spending and the debt, much of the bad economy of the past few years is probably regarded by a lot of people as being Obama's fault, etc.

109 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:41:49pm

re: #106 abolitionist

The quoted part mentioned a reason for the exodus. The headline was merely reproduced --not commentary or advocacy on my part.

I know. I wasn't responding to you directly, but to the headline.

110 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:42:43pm

re: #108 Bulworth

That history is already being re-written to blame Dems for the spending and the debt, much of the bad economy of the past few years is probably regarded by a lot of people as being Obama's fault, etc.

Is this the same version of history that has the Founding Fathers crusading against evolution?

/Barton

111 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:43:08pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

1. Gay sex scandal

2. Underage girl sex scandal

3. Underage gay sex scandal

4. Really hard to spin financial malfeasance

5. He could be sick--some things you can power through and keep campaigning, but serious cancer, or HIV or something might be the end of it

6. Drugs

7. Nazi uniform? (Reagan got away with it, but he was in a COMMERCIAL movie.)

8. He actually became a Muslim?

It's like the old saw...Newt might not necessarily be completely sunk unless it involves a dead girl or a live boy. IMO, you can stick a fork in him in any case.

112 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:43:36pm

re: #103 Lidane

Perry's living proof as POTUS he won't spend a dime to protect the environment or invest in green energy. He'll insist the whole nation prays for change. That'll save billions and billions. Win.

113 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:43:59pm

re: #72 EmmmieG

Actually, #6 could be legit. Him or his wife. Prescription stuff--they're too posh for street drugs.

Worked for Rush, though his ears might disagree...

114 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:44:28pm

re: #110 Lidane

Is this the same version of history that has the Founding Fathers crusading against evolution?

/Barton


Yes

Obama's energy regulation caused the BP spill, Obama raised taxes, Obama wasted all that money on the auto bailout although since he used Romney's approach the auto bailout worked, etc.

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:45:08pm

re: #113 talon_262

Worked for Rush, though his ears might disagree...

Huh?

116 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:45:31pm

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

Huh?

I see what you did there ;-P

117 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:45:53pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Here is a list of candidate events that happened on August 23. From Wiki:

1929 – Hebron Massacre during the 1929 Palestine riots: Arab attack on the Jewish community in Hebron in the British Mandate of Palestine, continuing until the next day, resulted in the death of 65-68 Jews and the remaining Jews being forced to leave the city.

1989 – Hungary: the last communist government opens the Iron curtain and causes the exodus of thousands of Eastern Germans to West Germany via Hungary (September 11).

1989 – Singing Revolution: two million people from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania stand on the Vilnius-Tallinn road, holding hands (Baltic Way).

1990 – West Germany and East Germany announce that they will unite on October 3.

1996 – Osama bin Laden issues message entitled 'A declaration of war against the Americans occupying the land of the two holy places.'

118 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:46:09pm

re: #112 theheat

Perry's living proof as POTUS he won't spend a dime to protect the environment or invest in green energy. He'll insist the whole nation prays for change. That'll save billions and billions. Win.

Perry's also living proof that he might be able to get elected governor here four times, but he wouldn't win a GOP primary. He's in single digits here last I checked.

119 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:46:09pm

Some responses:

[Link: plainblogaboutpolitics.blogspot.com...]

h/t Sullivan.

120 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:46:27pm

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oxycontin causes flatulence obesity arrogance dishonesty deafness.

121 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:46:44pm

re: #116 talon_262

I see what you did there ;-P

Didn't mean to. I'm funny even when not trying!! Oxy didn't kill his hearing, though. Heh.

122 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:47:11pm

oops..it's the girl dancers that wear the cool vest...
Sun bathing on the Med.....drinking Uzo...
I hate you/..LOL

123 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:47:45pm

re: #118 Lidane

You just don't have enough faith.
//

Dressed up with the right words coming out his mouth, the base outside Texas could love the guy.

124 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:47:52pm

re: #120 theheat

Oxycontin causes flatulence obesity arrogance dishonesty deafness.

It might, but he was deaf before the oxy thing.

125 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:49:37pm

re: #117 ProLifeLiberal

Here is a list of candidate events that happened on August 23. From Wiki:

The only one that would resound to an American audience is the OBL message. I credit Stewart and Colbert's Fall rally for driving this clown to a venue where small turnout won't be an embarrassment.

126 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:50:14pm

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

Extremely heavy hydrocodone (Vicodin or Lorcet) abuse is known to cause hearing impairment. Commentators have speculated that radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh's hearing loss was at least in part caused by his admitted addiction to narcotic pain killers, in particular Vicodin and OxyContin.

127 BongCrodny  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:51:05pm

re: #103 Lidane

Right. Because people are totally going to elect another Texas governor to the White House, especially after the last one.


No offense to our southern friends on this board, but I'm ready to call for a moratorium on the whole "southern governor" model.

There was a *lot* of stuff I didn't like about Clinton, and when you lump him in with the other two recent southern governors, that's two strikes and a foul tip.

128 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:51:34pm

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

It might, but he was deaf before the oxy thing.

Oxycotin has no NEGATIVE side affects!!!
I'm quit tickled with my third eye (on the back of my head)
Grand kids hate to play hide and seek with me!!

129 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:52:22pm

re: #128 reloadingisnotahobby
LOL

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:52:28pm

re: #126 theheat

Right. And I said it might (I didn't know). I also said he was deaf before the oxy thing, which he took after back surgery.

131 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:52:41pm

re: #125 Decatur Deb

He could use an obscure event to rile up hate against a group. Looking at history, it's either Muslims or Liberals he's targeting.

132 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:53:04pm

re: #128 reloadingisnotahobby

Oxycotin has no NEGATIVE side affects!!!
I'm quit tickled with my third eye (on the back of my head)
Grand kids hate to play hide and seek with me!!

No extra nipple?
/

133 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:53:25pm

re: #103 Lidane

Right. Because people are totally going to elect another Texas governor to the White House, especially after the last one.

All Democrats have to do if Perry decides to run is point to the January 2011 emergency legislative session he called, after the state ran close to a $20 billion shortfall due to his financial mismanagement.

The session he used to push anti-abortion, voter disenfrancisement, gutting environmental laws, praying for divine intervention on wildfires that went out of control due to his gutting of the budget of those who would have fought those fires, removing penalties for violating election laws, ad nauseum.
What wasn't used for the session was any legislation designed to balance the budget.

134 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:53:42pm

re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar

No extra nipple?
/

Think lower....

135 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:54:02pm

re: #95 leftynyc

Nooo - I'm going to Greece in 3 weeks and I want the stench of him long gone.

I love Greece. Enjoy it.

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:54:31pm

re: #134 reloadingisnotahobby

Think lower...

Extra frank or beans?
/

137 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:54:58pm

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dates his rapid deafness appeared coincide with his longterm drug abuse.

138 Charleston Chew  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:55:42pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Beck is going to Auschwitz to promote his new 8-24 project thing

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Glen Beck should not be allowed anywhere near reality.

139 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:56:25pm

re: #137 theheat

Just like actors don't admit plastic surgery. No, they needed a nose job (and face lift and lipo) because they had some breathing problem.

140 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:56:33pm

re: #133 RadicalModerate

All Democrats have to do if Perry decides to run is point to the January 2011 emergency legislative session he called, after the state ran close to a $20 billion shortfall due to his financial mismanagement.

The session he used to push anti-abortion, voter disenfrancisement, gutting environmental laws, praying for divine intervention on wildfires that went out of control due to his gutting of the budget of those who would have fought those fires, removing penalties for violating election laws, ad nauseum.
What wasn't used for the session was any legislation designed to balance the budget.

The GOP base won't care because opposing abortion, gutting regulations and praying for rain ARE emergencies. The only people who would care about these things are people who wouldn't vote for Perry anyway.

141 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:56:50pm

...But seriously..I had a problem and still do with pain!
I could very well be addicted had I not seen it coming.
Oxy WORKS!
I manage my pain with an occasional hammer strike on
the right thumb! lol
No, I do not take Scripts for anything anymore!!

142 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:57:14pm

re: #105 theheat

Perry has the big hair, big Christian, big state o' Texas thing going. Like an evangelist. The base eats that shit up. Fox will have a whole year of semi-literate Obama bashing Real America™ quips to spin. Newt doesn't have as much sales appeal.

Newt's got good hair though, I'll give him that.

143 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:58:16pm

re: #142 marjoriemoon

Newt's got good hair though, I'll give him that.

The other reason I hate him.../

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:58:27pm

re: #137 theheat

Dates his rapid deafness appeared coincide with his longterm drug abuse.

From WIKI:
Rush Limbaugh has described himself as being "100%, totally deaf".[102] In 2001, he was diagnosed with a rare autoimmune inner ear disease (AIED), which, in the span of three months, rendered his right ear completely deaf and left ear severely deaf. "I cannot hear television. I cannot hear music. I am, for all practical purposes, deaf – and it's happened in three months."[103] On December 19, 2001, doctors at the House Ear Clinic in Los Angeles were able to successfully restore a measure of his hearing through a surgical procedure known as a cochlear implant surgery. Limbaugh received a Clarion CII Bionic Ear.[104] In 2005, Limbaugh was forced to undergo "tuning" due to an "eye twitch", an apparent side-effect of cochlear implants.[105]

145 Bulworth  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:58:50pm

How long before the "You won't have ole Newt to kick around anymore" press conference?

146 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 1:59:59pm

Time to go do something productive......

...or not

147 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:01:13pm

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

a rare autoimmune inner ear disease (AIED)

Yeah, like those breathing problem actresses need a nose job for. "But my doctor said I had to have it!"

148 Charleston Chew  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:01:53pm

re: #139 theheat

Just like actors don't admit plastic surgery. No, they needed a nose job (and face lift and lipo) because they had some breathing problem.

Nose jobs are always because someone has a "deviated septum", never because they just wanted a smaller nose. Either some of them are fibbing or fight clubs are really popular among celebs.

149 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:02:05pm

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

It might, but he was deaf before the oxy thing.

He was deaf before he was caught, not before use. He claimed the first prescriptions were several issued years before he was investigated. His deafness was diagnosed two years before he was caught. QED his deafness was contemporaneous to his admitted period of drug abuse.

150 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:03:05pm

re: #142 marjoriemoon

Yes he does have good hair. Has the bad GOP dome/earmuffs/combover, but he does have good hair.

151 makeitstop  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:04:13pm

re: #148 Charleston Chew

Nose jobs are always because someone has a "deviated septum", never because they just wanted a smaller nose. Either some of them are fibbing or fight clubs are really popular among celebs.

Or the side effects of Bolivian Marching Powder. Not that I'd have first hand knowledge of that or anything.

152 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:05:40pm

re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't mean to. I'm funny even when not trying!! Oxy didn't kill his hearing, though. Heh.

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

It might, but he was deaf before the oxy thing.

re: #126 theheat

Extremely heavy hydrocodone (Vicodin or Lorcet) abuse is known to cause hearing impairment. Commentators have speculated that radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh's hearing loss was at least in part caused by his admitted addiction to narcotic pain killers, in particular Vicodin and OxyContin.

From what I've heard and read, Rush was popping them pills like candy for a good couple of years before he got busted and it went public; like heat said, severe hearing loss/deafness is a possible major side effect of oxy/hydrocodone abuse, so it makes sense.

I don't wish a disability like that on anyone, but with Rush's very public statements on his shows pushing for a harsher crackdown on drug offenses back in the mid-90s (IIRC), I can't help but feel that karma bit him severely in the ass about the whole matter. It'll be a cross he has to bear for the rest of his life, even with his cochlear implants.

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:06:51pm

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

K. Found a link.

154 Charleston Chew  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:06:58pm

re: #151 makeitstop

Or the side effects of Bolivian Marching Powder. Not that I'd have first hand knowledge of that or anything.

Perforated septum in that case.

Why does Latin always sound dirty to me? Is it because I learned about sex from the Encyclopædia Britannica?

155 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:08:05pm

re: #154 Charleston Chew

Perforated septum in that case.

Why does Latin always sound dirty to me? Is it because I learned about sex from the Encyclopædia Britannica?

Maybe, but the nekkid girls were in NatGeo.
/not really

156 Kragar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:08:30pm

re: #154 Charleston Chew

Perforated septum in that case.

Why does Latin always sound dirty to me? Is it because I learned about sex from the Encyclopædia Britannica?

Well it does explain you closing your eyes and thinking of England.

157 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:09:31pm

re: #154 Charleston Chew

What do they call a collapsed nose job from too much cartilage removal/repeated or bad nose jobs? I thought there was a term for ti.

158 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:10:14pm

re: #157 theheat

PIMF for ti it.

159 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:10:18pm

re: #154 Charleston Chew
Nah. It was reading those journals Capri journals of Tiberius. //

160 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:11:13pm

re: #157 theheat

What do they call a collapsed nose job from too much cartilage removal/repeated or bad nose jobs? I thought there was a term for ti.

Michael Jackson Syndrome?
/bad taste

161 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:12:48pm

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, that is what MJ had. But I thought there was a specific term for what that's called. OTOH, maybe they've named that condition MJ Syndrome in his honor.

162 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:14:09pm

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

Michael Jackson Syndrome?
/bad taste

Might as well be...the man was addicted to plastic surgery.

163 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:14:38pm

Would Newt 2012 ever be a good thing to have on a resume?

164 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:14:49pm

From the Wikipedia article on AIED:

AIED is generally caused by either antibodies or immune cells that cause damage to the inner ear. There are several autoimmune disorders to which AIED is related:
-Bystander damage
-Cross-reactions
-Genetic factors
-Drug Use (opiate-based painkillers like OxyContin)[1] [2] [3]
Research has found that long term abuse of opiate-based painkillers (such as OxyContin and Hydrocodone) can lead to profound hearing loss caused by damage to the inner ear, according to Dr. Gail Ishiyama, an assistant professor at the UCLA department of neurology.[4]

165 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:15:23pm

re: #154 Charleston Chew

Perforated septum in that case.

Why does Latin always sound dirty to me? Is it because I learned about sex from the Encyclopædia Britannica?

National Geographic, here!

166 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:15:36pm

re: #163 dragonfire1981
At the moment, no.

167 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:15:37pm

re: #159 PhillyPretzel

Nah. It was reading those journals Capri journals of Tiberius. //

At the seminary all our reading was tightly controlled. But we still had our versions of Beavis and Butthead passing Lysistrata around.

168 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:15:38pm

re: #163 dragonfire1981

I think you can have those parts of your resume annulled.

169 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:16:49pm

Down with both major political parties.

Pffiibbittth.™

170 Charleston Chew  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:17:07pm

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

Michael Jackson Syndrome?
/bad taste

I think Michael Jackson Syndrome should refer to the condition of not having at least one friend who cares about you enough to tell you you're doing something stupid. Someone like that might have saved his face and even his life.

171 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:17:49pm

re: #163 dragonfire1981

re: #166 PhillyPretzel

At the moment, no.

Sort of like still having a Kerry/ Edwards bumper sticker on your car

(don't laugh,,, I still see a few of those in the Druid Hills/ Emory Village/ Virginia Highlands areas of Atlanta)

172 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:18:32pm

re: #169 Ojoe

Down with both major political parties.

Pffiibbittth.™

And the minor ones too!

173 Petero1818  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:18:45pm

re: #10 Charles

Chances are good that there's a really juicy scandal approaching for Gingrich.

How juicy? Like he was having facebook sex with Weiner, Juicy? That would be a story.

174 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:19:21pm

re: #171 sattv4u2
I still see a few of those.

175 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:20:13pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Well it would be great if we could do without political parties entirely, maybe sometime far in the future that will happen.

176 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:20:28pm

re: #174 PhillyPretzel

I still see a few of those.

There are two Kucinich bumper stickers in my neighborhood.

177 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:21:12pm

BBL

178 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:22:10pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

There are two Kucinich bumper stickers in my neighborhood.

Yeah,, still a few around the neighborhoods I mentioned ,.,

and ,,And ,,AND ,, still LOTS of Ron Paul stickers AND lawn signs ((the areas I mentioned have a very large college student population, btw))

179 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:23:17pm

re: #178 sattv4u2

Yeah,, still a few around the neighborhoods I mentioned ,.,

and ,,And ,,AND ,, still LOTS of Ron Paul stickers AND lawn signs ((the areas I mentioned have a very large college student population, btw))

I have a FB friend who is already posting Luap Nor vids. Gonna be a long road to November.

180 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:25:03pm

I wonder if Luap Nor will rent another blimp to get the word out.
[Link: www.google.com...]

181 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:25:59pm

re: #179 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a FB friend who is already posting Luap Nor vids. Gonna be a long road to November.

And you're admitting to that ,, in PUBLIC!?!?!

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:26:29pm

My radio just said Luke Russert (MSNBC) tweeted that Hillary might be leaving State to head the World Bank.

183 darthstar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:26:39pm

couldn't happen to a nicer guy...buh-bye newt

(on my windows phone...screw caps)

184 CarolJ  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:26:39pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Barf. Double Barf. Hucksters and conspiracy theorists should be nowhere near what is sacred ground. It's like dancing on people's graves-no, it is dancing on people's graves. I hope that Auchwitz's trustees refuse him admittance.

185 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:27:12pm

re: #183 darthstar

couldn't happen to a nicer guy...buh-bye newt

(on my windows phone...screw caps)

I prefer pop tops.

186 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:28:18pm

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said Luke Russert (MSNBC) tweeted that Hillary might be leaving State to head the World Bank.

I'm not a big Clinton fan, but that might be cool.

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:29:31pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

I'm not a big Clinton fan, but that might be cool.

It is a Reuters story.

MSNBC Video
188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:30:48pm

HILLARY IS A BUILDABURGER!!!!

189 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:31:27pm

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said Luke Russert (MSNBC) tweeted that Hillary might be leaving State to head the World Bank.

Sounds like a good way to make the right even more paranoid....I think I like it.

190 freetoken  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:31:37pm

Speaking of GOP candidates, Rolling Stone asks the difficult question:

Take the Bachmann-Palin Challenge: Can You Tell Them Apart?

191 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:32:35pm

re: #184 CarolJ

he says he is going to have a military escort with him

192 freetoken  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:32:47pm

Google has a fascinating logo today.

193 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:32:54pm

re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar

It is a Reuters story.
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Then we need to pick her successor as Secretary of State. That article says John Kerry. I say, "please, no."

194 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:33:33pm

re: #189 Dreggas

Sounds like a good way to make the right even more paranoid...I think I like it.

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

There are also 2 AJ site stories.

195 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:33:43pm

re: #192 freetoken

Google has a fascinating logo today.

You can play it, too. And send the songs you create to people.

My guess is it's because both Bonaroo and the CMA Festival are going on right now.

196 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:34:02pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

Then we need to pick her successor as Secretary of State. That article says John Kerry. I say, "please, no."

To paraphrase Jon Stewart, they'll give us whatever we want, just to get him to stop talking.

197 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:34:05pm

re: #192 freetoken
If you are into music. yes.

198 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:34:19pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

Then we need to pick her successor as Secretary of State. That article says John Kerry. I say, "please, no."

Mitt Romney, just to fuck with people.

Heh.

199 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:35:30pm

re: #198 Lidane

Mitt Romney, just to fuck with people.

Heh.

Well, Huntsman does have ambassadorial experience.

200 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:35:32pm

re: #198 Lidane

Mitt Romney, just to fuck with people.

Heh.

Luap Nor would be a good choice.
//

201 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:35:44pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

Then we need to pick her successor as Secretary of State. That article says John Kerry. I say, "please, no."

hey ,,, he can regale us with stories of Jenus Kahn!
AND ,,, all visiting dignitaries get 57 varieties of Heinz products!

202 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:35:59pm

re: #200 rwdflynavy

Luap Nor would be a good choice.
//

John Bolton!!!!

203 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:36:24pm

re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

John Bolton!!!

Michael Bolton!

204 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:36:39pm

re: #201 sattv4u2

hey ,,, he can regale us with stories of Jenus Kahn!
AND ,,, all visiting dignitaries get 57 varieties of Heinz products!

and a hat. He still has the hat to this day.

205 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:36:51pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

re: #201 sattv4u2

hey ,,, he can regale us with stories of JenJus Kahn!
AND ,,, all visiting dignitaries get 57 varieties of Heinz products!

damn thumbs

206 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:37:28pm

Hilarious! Breitbart camp follower Lee Stranahan is now claiming that he "discredited" my piece about Breitbart's lies.

Another right wing article of faith is born.

207 CarolJ  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:37:36pm

re: #191 SpaceJesus

Why? A military escort? Who's going to attack him? What a self-centered and arrogant thing to do. He's not that important. Even when people who are that important come to pay their respects, they tone it down considerably and have only regular security. This is a place where everyone should feel humbled by, if nothing else the scale and scope of evil done there.

208 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:37:42pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Well, Huntsman does have ambassadorial experience.

True, and he doesn't stand a chance of winning the nod with the current GOP base. Plus it's the natural upgrade from Ambassador to China.

Choosing Romney would be hilarious though, especially if he said yes. So many heads on the right would explode.

209 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:38:11pm

re: #204 rwdflynavy

and a hat. He still has the hat to this day.

and he can scare kids at Easter

"Look kids ,, it's the Easter Kerry"

[Link: www.truckerphoto.com...]

210 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:38:11pm

re: #190 freetoken

Easy. They both Sharpie their eyebrows, but they use different stencils.

212 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:38:45pm

Jake Tapper tweet.
[Link: twitter.com...]

213 Stanghazi  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:38:56pm

re: #195 Lidane

You can play it, too. And send the songs you create to people.

My guess is it's because both Bonaroo and the CMA Festival are going on right now.

It would have been Les Paul's 94th birthday

214 Kragar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:39:50pm

Clear your calendar's for a date night folks.

Sarah Palin film to get nationwide release

After debuts in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina later this month, the pro-Sarah Palin film “The Undefeated” is headed for nationwide release.

But first it will need to be scaled back: the current version contains so much profanity — mostly from comedians and pundits cursing about Palin – as well as violent file footage of war used to portray the attacks against Palin as particularly savage, that it does not yet have a rating. At a press screening in Washington on Thursday, director Steve Bannon said he’ll aim for a PG-13 final cut, though he hopes to release the film as it currently stands via pay-per-view and video to give Palin diehards fans the original.

215 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:40:13pm

This must be a new definition of "violent" that I previously was unaware of.

Justices rule fleeing police is a violent felony

216 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:40:43pm

re: #213 Stanley Sea

It would have been Les Paul's 94th birthday

Ah. I didn't know that. That explains it. :)

217 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:41:06pm

re: #211 rwdflynavy

John Bolton used to be a transnational progressive, until one day Dick Cheney sneered at him and said, “Grow a mustache, man!”

Almost forgot about "tranzi progs".

218 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:41:20pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Clear your calendar's for a date night folks.

Sarah Palin film to get nationwide release

I'm pretty sure I'm rearranging my sock drawer that night

219 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:41:26pm

re: #212 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jake Tapper tweet.
[Link: twitter.com...]

That's ALL of Jake Tapper's tweets. You gotta learn how to link just one.

220 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:41:28pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Clear your calendar's for a date night folks.

Sarah Palin film to get nationwide release

and you thought that water boarding was torture.

221 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:41:38pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

“The Undefeated”

So she's glossing over that whole 2008 election, then?

222 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:42:13pm

re: #212 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #219 wrenchwench

That's ALL of Jake Tapper's tweets. You gotta learn how to link just one.

CCA ain't into all the book learnin' and such!

223 abolitionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:42:41pm

re: #215 RadicalModerate

This must be a new definition of "violent" that I previously was unaware of.

Justices rule fleeing police is a violent felony

Logically, then, running away from a mugger should be a violent felony too, since the mugger might fire a gun in your direction. Or something.

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:43:17pm

re: #219 wrenchwench

That's ALL of Jake Tapper's tweets. You gotta learn how to link just one.


jaketapper Jake Tapper
Clinton source on story saying she's seeking World Bank presidency: "Total crappola."
18 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Better? I'm new to the twitter thingy.

225 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:43:28pm

re: #220 Iwouldprefernotto

and you thought that water boarding was torture.

Just the thing if you want to break up with someone.

226 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:44:00pm

re: #215 RadicalModerate

Yup. We're legally remanded to complacency in all situations, little by little.

227 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:44:07pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Clear your calendar's for a date night folks.

Sarah Palin film to get nationwide release

I'll wait for the video game.

228 garhighway  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:44:39pm

Interesting idea: The NYT offers its readers the chance to help it sort through the Palin Alaska e-mails:

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

229 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:44:57pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

I'll wait for the video game.

they made it already

230 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:45:30pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Clear your calendar's for a date night folks.

Sarah Palin film to get nationwide release

if it does better than atlas shrugged will it be a success?

231 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:45:30pm

re: #228 garhighway

Interesting idea: The NYT offers its readers the chance to help it sort through the Palin Alaska e-mails:

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Why does that remind me of the do-it-yourself SETI project?

232 garhighway  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:45:56pm

re: #231 Decatur Deb

Why does that remind me of the do-it-yourself SETI project?

Me, too.

233 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:46:13pm
as well as violent file footage of war used to portray the attacks against Palin as particularly savage

It would be simpler if she'd go ahead and nail a big wooden cross to her back, and wear that wherever she went. Poooor Sarah.

234 Lidane  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:46:19pm

re: #225 C1nnabar

Just the thing if you want to break up with someone.

That's a movie that you tell your parents you're going to go see, then sneak off and get to saddlebacking with your boy/girl while wearing your purity ring. Heh.

Nobody will ever go see it to actually learn anything. It's just a block of time to yourself.

235 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:46:20pm

re: #223 abolitionist

Logically, then, running away from a mugger should be a violent felony too, since the mugger might fire a gun in your direction. Or something.

The broad scope of this ruling is just idiotic.
Vehicular flight from police and leading them on high-speed chases should be regarded as violent, especially if personal or property damage is caused by said chase, and if the Supreme Court had limited this ruling to that, I would have no problem with it. However, they gave no such distinction, and stated that ANY and ALL flight can be considered violent.

236 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:46:28pm

re: #227 Decatur Deb

I'll wait for the video game.

If it's like any movie that Uwe Boll has ever done (only this is in reverse), the video game will kick the movie's ass.

237 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:46:37pm

re: #228 garhighway

Interesting idea: The NYT offers its readers the chance to help it sort through the Palin Alaska e-mails:

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Color me shocked. Maybe they should do their own fucking work. Douchebags.

238 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:46:45pm

Nice way to get around campaign advertising laws here. guarantee after this hits theaters and has its run she'll announce her intention to run.

After debuts in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina later this month, the pro-Sarah Palin film “The Undefeated” is headed for nationwide release.

239 theheat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:47:55pm

re: #235 RadicalModerate

Did you see the dissenters? Interesting.

240 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:49:17pm

re: #236 talon_262

If it's like any movie that Uwe Boll has ever done (only this is in reverse), the video game will kick the movie's ass.

Thinking first-person shooter. With helicopters.

241 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:49:18pm

re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar

Color me shocked. Maybe they should do their own fucking work. Douchebags.

What could possibly go wrong!?!

242 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:50:42pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

What could possibly go wrong!?!

Can I steal other peoples work and present it as my own without leaving the house?

243 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:51:09pm

re: #211 rwdflynavy

John Bolton used to be a transnational progressive, until one day Dick Cheney sneered at him and said, “Grow a mustache, man!”

my favorite:
When Dick Cheney has a heart attack, no one in DC dies for the next 24 hours. Death is back home in the ninth ward p*ssing himself.

244 garhighway  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:51:18pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

What could possibly go wrong!?!

I'll bite.

What could go wrong?

245 makeitstop  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:51:25pm

re: #192 freetoken

Google has a fascinating logo today.

Les Paul's birthday!

246 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:51:41pm

re: #239 theheat

Did you see the dissenters? Interesting.

Ginsburg, Kagan, ..... and Scalia?

247 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:52:25pm

re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Clear your calendar's for a date night folks.

Sarah Palin film to get nationwide release

Yes, if you weren't bored to death by Atlas Shrugged: Part I, this one is a must-see.

/

248 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:52:58pm

re: #238 Dreggas

Nice way to get around campaign advertising laws here. guarantee after this hits theaters and has its run she'll announce her intention to run.

Oh come on. This has been going on for decades

Or do you think it's a coincidence that JFK wrote/ released Profiles In Courage prior to his run in '59

249 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:53:26pm

re: #247 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yes, if you weren't bored to death by Atlas Shrugged: Part I, this one is a must-see.

/

Great double bill if you're dating a College Republican.

250 garhighway  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:53:57pm

re: #243 rwdflynavy

my favorite:
When Dick Cheney has a heart attack, no one in DC dies for the next 24 hours. Death is back home in the ninth ward p*ssing himself.

Here's a fun activity: go to The Onion site and run a search under "Cheney". The article titles are priceless.

251 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:54:57pm

re: #249 Decatur Deb

Great double bill if you're dating a College Republican.

Or looking for the right environment to dump a particularly bad significant other.

252 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:55:08pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

What could possibly go wrong!?!

I guess you're unfamiliar with Wikipidea edits, huh!

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:55:15pm

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

The comments are funny. On both sides.

254 garhighway  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:57:07pm

re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

The comments are funny. On both sides.

They are.

255 garhighway  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 2:59:48pm

re: #252 sattv4u2

I guess you're unfamiliar with Wikipidea edits, huh!

I don't think the suggested process is similar.

256 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:00:21pm

re: #252 sattv4u2

I guess you're unfamiliar with Wikipidea edits, huh!

The emails have already been redacted.

257 freetoken  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:00:55pm

Presenting the millionth +1 book (comes out next week) that creationists will dispute or ignore:

The Evidence for Evolution

From the UPI article:


New book backs up Darwin on evolution

[...]

University of Utah anthropologist Alan R. Rogers says his book, "The Evidence for Evolution," is an attempt to lay to rest what he says are persistent and inaccurate anti-evolution arguments by using scientific evidence unavailable in Darwin's day, the second half of the 19th century.

Darwin, Rogers points out, didn't know about genetics, continental drift or the age of the Earth, had never seen a species change, had no idea whether it was possible for a species to split in two, knew of no transitional fossils and of almost no human fossils -- all evidence for evolution now available to modern science.

"That evidence might have gone the other way," Rogers says. "It might have refuted Darwin's theory. But instead, we have 150 years of evidence, all of which supports his theory. My book tells the story of these discoveries."

Rogers says he got the idea in 2006 after reading a poll reporting only about half of Americans believe humans evolved.

"It occurred to me after reading this poll that it didn't make much sense to teach students about the intricacies of evolution if they don't believe that evolution happens in the first place.

"So I decided that my introductory classes henceforth were going to have a week or two on the evidence for evolution, and I started looking for a text."

When he couldn't find one that was suitable, he says, he wrote his own easy-to-read book that supports evolution with modern science.

[...]

Already there is on comment at UPI on that article, a creationist complaining about how "mathematically" impossible evolution is.

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:02:44pm

re: #257 freetoken

Presenting the millionth +1 book (comes out next week) that creationists will dispute or ignore:

The Evidence for Evolution

From the UPI article:

New book backs up Darwin on evolution

Already there is on comment at UPI on that article, a creationist complaining about how "mathematically" impossible evolution is.

'Cause the Earth is only 6000 years old.

259 freetoken  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:04:16pm

BTW, Mooney's comments about creationists:

We have highlighted published psychology research suggesting that anti-evolutionists are more likely to be religious and high on need for closure, as well as sensitive to fear and “existential threat.”

... explains well Tea Partyism and the embrace of reactionary ideas and xenophobia that we see so much in today's American right.

Fear is easily manipulated.

260 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:08:23pm

Rapid political implosion observed

Gingrich Campaign Collapses To Singularity; Will Rest Of Republican Party Be Sucked In To Black Hole?

261 freetoken  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:11:07pm

Arkansas atheists sue over bus ads on God-free lifestyle

A coalition of atheists is accusing Little Rock's city bus line of violating their rights to free speech in a fight to place ads on public buses praising a God-free lifestyle.

The Central Arkansas Coalition of Reason alleged in a lawsuit that the Central Arkansas Transit Authority and its advertising agency are discriminating against the group because they're being required to pay tens of thousands of dollars to put $5,000 worth of ads on 18 buses.

The ads would read: "Are you good without God? Millions are."

Other groups, including churches, have not been required to pay the fee, which amounts to $36,000 in insurance in case of an attack on the buses by angry Christians, according to the lawsuit.

The insurance was requested by the transit agency's advertising firm, On The Move Advertising, officials said.

Because a handful of similar ads had been vandalized in other states, the ad agency required the payment for insurance reasons, said Jess Sweere, an attorney representing the transit authority.

[...]

Well, what can one say? Fear of attacking mobs of angry Christians?

262 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:11:33pm

Help Us Review the Sarah Palin E-Mail Records

get breitbart to fake some and then leak them to the press as per his technique

263 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:12:34pm

re: #207 CarolJ


I don't know. But for $9.99 a month, you can find out.

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:13:48pm

re: #262 engineer dog

Both the NYT and Washington Post are running those help wanted ads.

265 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:22:05pm

re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar

Both the NYT and Washington Post are running those help wanted ads.

could save you a trip to the Antartic

266 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:22:05pm

OT, but:

Remember triple? All hyped about Charles being biased against Breitbart?

Selling exactly the same crap about Charles and LGF today on a Gawker article that cites Charles & LGF. No takers so far.

[Link: gawker.com...]

267 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:22:17pm

I Installed cordon trellises for my pinot noir grapes today. With a little luck I might be able to make up to 30-40 gallons of wine next year. 100's of tadpoles swimming in the pond. The adult frogs seem to have finished mating and have been very quiet the past few nights. I miss hearing them.

268 Claire  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:22:33pm

re: #190 freetoken

Speaking of GOP candidates, Rolling Stone asks the difficult question:

Take the Bachmann-Palin Challenge: Can You Tell Them Apart?

They misquoted Palin big-time about evolution. She was asked about Evolution, not Creationism.

"Oh, I think [Creationism] should be taught as an accepted principle... It should be taught in our schools. And I won't ever deny that I see the hand of God in this beautiful creation that is Earth, especially coming from one of the most beautiful states in the Union and traveling around this country also in this last month... the beauty that is this Earth, I see the hand of God in that."

No, in the source, she is saying "it" (evolution) should be taught, not creationism. I remember this from her book:

Source:

Couric: Do you believe evolution should be taught as an accepted scientific principle or one of several theories?

Palin: Oh, I think it should be taught as an accepted principle. And, you know, I say that also as the daughter of a school teacher, a science teacher, who has really instilled in me a respect for science. It should be taught in our schools.

Does anyone care. Nope. Am I gonna hear a barrage about fruit flys and gays now? Probably, lol.

269 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:22:49pm

re: #266 The Ghost of a Flea

OT, but:

Remember triple? All hyped about Charles being biased against Breitbart?

Selling exactly the same crap about Charles and LGF today on a Gawker article that cites Charles & LGF. No takers so far.

[Link: gawker.com...]

I just saw that myself. He's obsessed with LGF.

270 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:25:07pm

re: #267 Killgore Trout

I Installed cordon trellises for my pinot noir grapes today. With a little luck I might be able to make up to 30-40 gallons of wine next year. 100's of tadpoles swimming in the pond. The adult frogs seem to have finished mating and have been very quiet the past few nights. I miss hearing them.

Great

I'll bring the cheese and crackers

271 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:27:23pm

re: #269 Killgore Trout

I just saw that myself. He's obsessed with LGF.

Seems to happen a lot.

I notice that absolutely nobody is buying his line of crap.

272 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:28:16pm

re: #267 Killgore Trout
Chateau Trout?

273 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:30:52pm

re: #266 The Ghost of a Flea

The right wing blogs are ranting at me like lunatics today. It's fun!

274 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:32:07pm

re: #267 Killgore Trout

I Installed cordon trellises for my pinot noir grapes today. With a little luck I might be able to make up to 30-40 gallons of wine next year. 100's of tadpoles swimming in the pond. The adult frogs seem to have finished mating and have been very quiet the past few nights. I miss hearing them.

Our garden passed the break-even point a couple days ago. We've been dry, with temps in the 90-100 range, so I'm going after the experimental gray water (washer) recovery system. That Korean trick of putting paper bags over the pears seems to be working. Although dozens of pears have been torn from the trees, not one of them has been from the bagged sample. They could be turning purple and fuzzy in the bags, however.

275 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:32:21pm

Wow -- and now right wingers are retweeting my post about Herman Cain, without getting that I think he's a complete loon.

276 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:32:34pm

re: #272 PhillyPretzel

Chateau Trout?

Trout Pinot Noir

277 sattv4u2  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:32:38pm

re: #273 Charles

The right wing blogs are ranting at me like lunatics today. It's fun!

You say "today" like it's something special or out of the ordinary!!

278 freetoken  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:32:58pm

re: #268 Claire

Yeah, that mistake was caught pretty quickly online. I just thought RS asked the obvious question in their headline.

279 freetoken  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:33:59pm

re: #275 Charles

Really? How could anyone who's been following LGF think you'd support Cain?

280 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:36:03pm

re: #279 freetoken

Really? How could anyone who's been following LGF think you'd support Cain?

This guy is a repulsive racist. Check out some of his other tweets. N-word all over the place: Twitter / @peterose1985

@Lizardoid: Herman Cain: I'll Veto Bills Longer Than 3 Pages, Gays Are Sinners, Muslims Are Traitors NOW WE'RE TALKING!!

281 darthstar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:36:08pm

re: #268 Claire

She got one question right. She still fucked up on "What did you see today?" (just last week), but she was okay on the evolution thing...that surprised me when she said it back then, and it surprises me still today.

Oh, and I think she's a gay fruit fly. :)

282 TedStriker  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:36:54pm

re: #279 freetoken

Really? How could anyone who's been following LGF think you'd support Cain?

Repeat a lie long and loud enough and it becomes true, so the wackjobs believe...

283 darthstar  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:37:02pm

re: #279 freetoken

Really? How could anyone who's been following LGF think you'd support Cain?

There's a difference between "following" and "stalking"...followers listen, while stalkers have a different agenda.

284 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:37:38pm

re: #268 Claire

You're right. RS misquoted Palin on that.

But the fact remains that Palin is the most ignorant kind of creationist. And I'll bet she only said that because she thought it was what she was supposed to say.

See: Palin Proudly Owns Her Creationism.

285 freetoken  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:40:51pm

re: #284 Charles

I suppose I should fact-check before tweeting...

Still, the obvious question is, why would the GOP race need both Palin and Bachmann? Perhaps the obvious answer to that question is why the Bachmann's machinery is already attacking Palin.

286 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:44:04pm

re: #273 Charles

The right wing blogs are ranting at me like lunatics today. It's fun!

Gawker posts are almost cut/paste with here; just change the tense.

I lurked here long enough to be aware of the stalkers, they don't make me angry or scared...yet. I do have a perverse urge to study them, Napoleon Chagnon-like.

287 freetoken  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:51:43pm

This whole "twitter" thing, btw, is probably not my cup of tea.

It's interesting in a way... sort of an evolving, real time experiment in sociology.

But I'm not somebody who'll likely benefit from it... So I'm wondering if I've just gotten too old, set in my ways. I still like paper books over electronic ones, prefer analog phones' voice quality over cell phones, don't use my cell phone for making anything but calls, and I still punctuate my sentences (when I'm not trying to write dialogue.)

288 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:52:08pm

re: #286 The Ghost of a Flea

Gawker posts are almost cut/paste with here; just change the tense.

I lurked here long enough to be aware of the stalkers, they don't make me angry or scared...yet. I do have a perverse urge to study them, Napoleon Chagnon-like.

Are you trying to do a paper, sort of "Religions of the Oppressed" updated to blog prophets? I was was once planning to do a "Field Guide to the Nut Groups", but they were spawning and morphing faster than I could catch them. Killgore also has a good eye for interneted movements.

289 Turkey Jihad  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:53:56pm

re: #287 freetoken

This whole "twitter" thing, btw, is probably not my cup of tea.

It's interesting in a way... sort of an evolving, real time experiment in sociology.

But I'm not somebody who'll likely benefit from it... So I'm wondering if I've just gotten too old, set in my ways. I still like paper books over electronic ones, prefer analog phones' voice quality over cell phones, don't use my cell phone for making anything but calls, and I still punctuate my sentences (when I'm not trying to write dialogue.)

UR LIKE SOOO BHND DUDE, K

290 Claire  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:55:05pm

re: #284 Charles

She's not THE most ignorant. She doesn't think the earth is 6000 years old, like Huckabee. She goes into this some more about the age of the earth and fossils and stuff in her book. I think if she did think the earth was young, she'd tell you.

We covered this in the old threads a million years ago. I think she shares the belief of "special creation" for humans as in the divine spark or whatever that created the soul was "created" but for the history of the earth and other animal and plant life, there's no issues with an old earth or evolution. And I'm not excusing that, just noting again that she shares that notion with probably the majority of all protestants, it's not terribly fringe to say that God created the process of evolution. They call that "creationism" when it's not strictly what everybody else means by the word.

So, as I've said before, she's what she is, but AFAICT she's not a YEC, which I consider a completely separate category of stupid.

291 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:55:06pm

re: #289 Kid A

UR LIKE SOOO BHND DUDE, K

Freakin' Amish.

292 Turkey Jihad  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 3:56:27pm

re: #284 Charles

Has Mama Grizzly said anything about gay rights, gay marriage, etc? I know she retweeted something from Tammy Bruce a few months back, but I haven't seen anything concrete one way or the other. Eventually, the gay haters are going to want to know her position.

293 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:02:37pm

re: #290 Claire

She's not THE most ignorant. She doesn't think the earth is 6000 years old, like Huckabee. She goes into this some more about the age of the earth and fossils and stuff in her book. I think if she did think the earth was young, she'd tell you.

We covered this in the old threads a million years ago. I think she shares the belief of "special creation" for humans as in the divine spark or whatever that created the soul was "created" but for the history of the earth and other animal and plant life, there's no issues with an old earth or evolution. And I'm not excusing that, just noting again that she shares that notion with probably the majority of all protestants, it's not terribly fringe to say that God created the process of evolution. They call that "creationism" when it's not strictly what everybody else means by the word.

So, as I've said before, she's what she is, but AFAICT she's not a YEC, which I consider a completely separate category of stupid.

Your point is valuable. We really need to keep with something like YEC, then distinguish 'Intelligent Design" as a non-evolutionary idea. It is correct but not useful to lump both with "creationism". Even mainstream religious groups who propose a creator on the far side of a Big Bang could be called creationists, but aren't YEC or ID (as it is used politically).

294 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:05:05pm

re: #290 Claire

By "the most ignorant kind" I'm referring to her statement that "humans didn't come from no tree-swingin' monkeys."

I wouldn't be too quick to credit her with not being a young earth creationist, though; I seriously doubt she even understands those issues.

295 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:09:08pm

re: #294 Charles

By "the most ignorant kind" I'm referring to her statement that "humans didn't come from no tree-swingin' monkeys."

I wouldn't be too quick to credit her with not being a young earth creationist, though; I seriously doubt she even understands those issues.

The monkey quote isn't so much stupid as deliberate misrepresentation of the evolutionist position. It echoes the popular press that surrounded the Scopes trial.

296 Turkey Jihad  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:18:51pm

re: #294 Charles

Studies in evolutionary biology have led to the conclusion that human beings arose from ancestral primates. This association was hotly debated among scientists in Darwin's day. But today there is no significant scientific doubt about the close evolutionary relationships among all primates, including humans.

THERE'S NO CONSENSUS!

297 Claire  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:22:46pm

re: #294 Charles

I don't understand what you mean- she doesn't understand how old the earth is? She talks about the millions of years it took to form the mountain ranges in Alaska. My take was it was her way of clearing up exactly those issues.

298 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:23:48pm

the malay word orangutan means "person of the forest." the malays maintain that orangutans can speak perfectly well, but don't let humans know about this lest the humans put them to work

this is only one datum of many that seem to show that non-human primate lines have evolved to a more mature state rather than the other way around imho

299 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:27:35pm

The position papers of the Assemblies of God church, with with the Wasilla AG is affiliated, is definitely ID, but allows some room for compromise on the how and when:

Theories of Creation
The advance of scientific research, particularly in the last few centuries, has raised many questions about the interpretation of the Genesis accounts of creation. In attempting to reconcile the Bible and the theories and conclusions of contemporary scientists, it should be remembered that the creation accounts do not give precise details as to how God went about His creative activity. Nor do these accounts provide us with complete chronologies
that enable us to date with precision the time of the various stages of creation. Similarly, the findings of science are constantly expanding; the accepted theories of one generation are often revised in the next.

The local church might have been considerably independent of the governing body.

300 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:54:41pm

re: #288 Decatur Deb

Are you trying to do a paper, sort of "Religions of the Oppressed" updated to blog prophets? I was was once planning to do a "Field Guide to the Nut Groups", but they were spawning and morphing faster than I could catch them. Killgore also has a good eye for interneted movements.

My life experience is anthropology-saturated, I habitually talk like an academic, and I tend to want to understand structure and motion in group behavior, but I wasn't genuinely thinking of a formal paper. I just find myself dabbling my toes in social science-type thinking. In pukka anthro terms, I was weighing the feasibility of a monograph on an new-media subculture--the stalkers--and how one would go about doing it. You know...following feeds and tweets and FB posts, trying to map migration and leadership dynamics, that sort of thing. Back in the day I was very interesting in the psych/anthro features of hate groups, and the grievance culture of the stalkers is kind of reminiscent, but more similar to the lore and rituals that surround cross-generation feuds.

But I was also making an dry, somewhat oblique joke by using the Yanomamo as point of reference.

I think creating a "Field Guide" would be really tough, even as a lighthearted exercise, both because of the speed of memes and the problem of sourcing. Just to define "being a nut" you'd almost have to build a pseudo-DSM manual of features/manifestations and reify types by proclivity. Modeling in my head, you'd sort of have to map affinity by concepts but also by interaction. Not impossible, but mighty tough to do.

301 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:57:30pm

re: #297 Claire

I don't understand what you mean- she doesn't understand how old the earth is? She talks about the millions of years it took to form the mountain ranges in Alaska. My take was it was her way of clearing up exactly those issues.

Well, I think Sarah Palin is perfectly capable of talking about mountains being millions of years old, while still being a young earth creationist.

No, it doesn't make sense. But then, neither does Sarah Palin.

302 Claire  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 4:59:09pm

re: #301 Charles

Uh. Hmmm. Okay, then, lol.

303 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 5:03:19pm

re: #300 The Ghost of a Flea

Yes--it's all for fun, I'm 40 years away from my last grad-school dig. It does affect the way you think, even after all this time. I only saw a bit of your discussion on child marriage, but couldn't get to it. It's a little odd to see how ethnocentric even hip lizards can be--they assume America and Europe in the XXth Cent are the human 'normal'.

304 engineer cat  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 5:33:06pm

re: #300 The Ghost of a Flea

a pseudo-DSM manual of features/manifestations

this was my attempt to contribute to that effort:

[Link: jazzincunabula.blogspot.com...]

305 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 5:47:57pm

re: #304 engineer dog

this was my attempt to contribute to that effort:

[Link: jazzincunabula.blogspot.com...]

Excellent--you've laid the first brick. There are also a couple websites, of uneven quality, in the 'cultwatch' game. They have the burden of defining 'cult' in a useable way.

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:07:22pm

re: #111 talon_262

It's like the old saw...Newt might not necessarily be completely sunk unless it involves a dead girl or a live boy. IMO, you can stick a fork in him in any case.

There's a scene in one of Tannenbaum's novels where the old Irish guy who's been DA forever decides to run again, and someone points out that unless he gets caught in a bathroom in Central Park in the next month with an underage male Republican prostitutute, he's in. (This is considered rather unlikely in this gentleman's case. As it would be in Newt's.)

307 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Thu, Jun 9, 2011 7:37:15pm

re: #303 Decatur Deb

Yes--it's all for fun, I'm 40 years away from my last grad-school dig. It does affect the way you think, even after all this time. I only saw a bit of your discussion on child marriage, but couldn't get to it. It's a little odd to see how ethnocentric even hip lizards can be--they assume America and Europe in the XXth Cent are the human 'normal'.

Eh. This is a good crowd. And moral issues that run along cultural lines make for intense discussion. No one's brought out any big guns, and I draw a big distinction between lack of cultural breadth and aggressive chauvinism.


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