Here’s a second thread to discuss the second hour of the sixth GOP debate this month, as the millionaires rip each others’ flesh…
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Meitantei Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:14:26pm |
First, and I just want Romney to do a U MAD towards Santorum?
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recusancy Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:15:15pm |
davidaxelrod: In explaining MA plan, Mitt just offered an eloquent explanation of the Affordable Care Act he says he would repeal.
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Meitantei Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:15:26pm |
People are suffering because medicine is more expensive compared to when you were a child in 1900, you idiot Congressman.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:15:30pm |
Well Charles, we have an answer as to why they never get around to topics like climate change or evolution: Because the moderators are pushovers that allow the candidates to spend 5 minutes apiece talking about the same damned topic.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:16:39pm |
If you want to actually do something, cabinet is better.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:16:59pm |
RIP Epstein.
Signed,
Epstein's Mother.
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:17:34pm |
Newt: "I think of [hispanic surnamed person] in a more dignified way than these other guys."
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:17:38pm |
Time for the second hour minority question.
Santorum - Rubio meat.
Gingrich - Rubio for VP
Romney - I've got so much fucking lawn that needs mowing. The East Lawn will definitely be Rubio's.
Paul - I'm so Republican I don't know any Hispanics.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:18:41pm |
re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
RIP Epstein.
Signed,
Epstein's Mother.
No...did he die? Stealing for fb.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:18:42pm |
re: #10 darthstar
Time for the second hour minority question.
Romney - I've got so much fucking lawn that needs mowing. The East Lawn will definitely be Rubio's.
That really summarizes it all.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:18:43pm |
What? Wait...why are we having a question on first ladies?
Can we get back to education, or immigration, or...something real?
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:18:44pm |
Why would Callista make a good First Lady? Because it will help our first contact with the Visitors if we have one of their own in the White House.
//
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:19:19pm |
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recusancy Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:19:35pm |
fivethirtyeight: I don't think Romney has much of a chance of winning the Obamacare vs Romneycare debate in the fall.
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jhrhv Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:20:06pm |
re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I saw his name trending on twitter sorry to see why that it is. RIP thanks for all the laughs.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:20:12pm |
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:20:19pm |
GalvestonCounty Dems @GalvCountyDems
Ron Paul apparently does not understand that he must say "Marco Rubio"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:20:32pm |
re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The downding was for actually saying "first"
The way I did it, that's how you call out the post number
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:20:59pm |
He was my favorite Sweathog. The first Jewish person I ever knew.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:21:00pm |
re: #16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He is a former "Sweathog".
I know Juan Epstein...and you're no Juan Epstein.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:21:11pm |
Coming up, the swimsuit competition. Jeez.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:21:31pm |
more ABL:
Shorter Paul: I don’t know any Mexican people. Can we talk about the Fed now? #CNNDebate
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:21:39pm |
re: #25 goddamnedfrank
Coming up, the swimsuit competition. Jeez.
"Looks like I picked a bad week to quit sniffing glue."
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:21:42pm |
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:21:45pm |
the first lady thing is just a way to get to ask Newt about his open marriage.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:21:48pm |
re: #25 goddamnedfrank
Coming up, the swimsuit competition. Jeez.
can we at least make them swim #newtfloats
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:22:02pm |
Lol, they just killed off the Priceline Negotiator Shatner...
XD
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:22:02pm |
re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He was my favorite Sweathog. The first Jewish person I ever knew.
I thought he was Puerto Rican. Arnold Horshack was Jewish.
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recusancy Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:22:08pm |
Holy shit. They're seriously going to ask questions about First Ladies? What a waste.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:22:25pm |
re: #29 windsagio
the first lady thing is just a way to get to ask Newt about his open marriage.
CALLISTRON, MY ANDROID QUEEN, YOU WILL ADORE HER AND ALL OF MY OTHER SYNTHETIC CONCUBINES
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:22:26pm |
When does a "Messican" become a "Hispanic"?
When he marries your daughter.
I like this joke because it's not racist, it's about our racism.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:22:28pm |
re: #29 windsagio
the first lady thing is just a way to get to ask Newt about his open marriage.
The Lincoln bedroom will always be available for a swinging couple.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:22:48pm |
re: #34 recusancy
Holy shit. They're seriously going to ask questions about First Ladies? What a waste.
Kings and queens, that's the GOP
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jhrhv Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:22:50pm |
The best thing about these now joke debates is LGF.
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FreedomMoon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:23:03pm |
If Newt becomes President the first lady would actually be his third lady. (Daily show joke)
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:23:10pm |
So how bad is the fail tonight? Has Newt promised to colonize Mars by the end of his third term yet?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:23:36pm |
re: #33 darthstar
I thought he was Puerto Rican. Arnold Horshack was Jewish.
From Wiki...
A fiercely proud Puerto Rican Jew (his father was Puerto Rican; his mother's name was Bibbermann)...
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:23:50pm |
wait, Ron Paul didn't write the Ron Paul cookbook?
/heartbroken.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:23:56pm |
"Mr. Gingrich, who do you think would make the best 1st lady?"
"Ann Romney, if she's into it. I already okayed it with Callista."
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:24:11pm |
re: #41 Lidane
So how bad is the fail tonight? Has Newt promised to colonize Mars by the end of his third term yet?
Romney's giving as good as he gets, but just got his ass handed to him on Romneycare.
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Altermite Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:24:22pm |
'Also I didn't divorce her for either of those'
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Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:24:23pm |
re: #42 freetoken
Newt is loosing his Big Mo, I think.
This was his last shot to arrest the fall. I can't see him winning this.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:24:38pm |
re: #34 recusancy
Holy shit. They're seriously going to ask questions about First Ladies? What a waste.
This is predetermined, so that now matter how stupid the candidates look they have a free Blame The Media card.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:24:51pm |
Of course Gingrich is into all 3 wives and can't pick one.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:24:56pm |
"I've got to know all three of them"...in bed.
Okay, I'm goin' to hell for that one.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:24:58pm |
re: #46 Charleston Chew
"Mr. Gingrich, who do you think would make the best 1st lady?"
"Ann Romney, if she's into it. I already okayed it with Callista."
And... he just put out the offer!
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:25:01pm |
re: #51 Major Tom
I'm still expecting the ticket to be Romney/Santorum.
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jhrhv Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:25:03pm |
BWAHAHAHA I like them all...Open Marriage. he's fing with us.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:25:06pm |
And now, the GOP candidates exploit their carefully chosen wives.
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bubba zanetti Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:25:22pm |
re: #37 freetoken
The Lincoln bedroom will always be available for a swinging couple.
Ooh, I've got a obscure (and NSFW) musical reply to this one too:
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:25:26pm |
My wife's personal medical struggles will enable her to reach out to people with pre-existing conditions in a way that my administration won't even bother to try.
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FreedomMoon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:26:00pm |
I'm a little suspicious that Newt calls out all the others' wives calling them great.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:26:14pm |
Santorum - that fucker wins the Presidency the White House will turn into a home school for creationists.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:26:43pm |
re: #60 Charles
And now, the GOP candidates exploit their carefully chosen wives.
NO FAIR! NEWT'S GOT ALTERNATES!
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:27:00pm |
MY BOOK SAVED LIVES!
lol
Edit: Oh wait its a creepy abortion thing, sorry I'm slow.
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EdDantes Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:27:25pm |
When will Wolf ask,"If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?" ?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:27:45pm |
re: #60 Charles
And now, the GOP candidates exploit their carefully chosen wives.
A man should carefully choose his wife. And of those four guys on stage, only Newt has divorced. The other three made a good choice early on and stuck with it.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:28:00pm |
re: #4 Meitantei
People are suffering because medicine is more expensive compared to when you were a child in 1900, you idiot Congressman.
In Ron Paul land, if you or your kid has a pre-existing condition or not enough money for insurance, the invisible hand of the free market gets to bitch slap you before throwing you down a well to drown for the good of the economy.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:28:05pm |
"Let's get back to the baiting the audience...er, I mean the debate."
Good catch there, Wolf.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:28:38pm |
re: #70 Dark_Falcon
A man should carefully choose his wife. And of those four guys on stage, only Newt has divorced. The other three made a good choice early on and stuck with it.
Mitt was in high school.
Full disclosure: My parents met in grade school.
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elizajane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:28:40pm |
Have to give credit for this to K. Trinko, but it's a great idea: Why don't we have a prospective first lady debate? We could see who could handle relentless petty criticism the best without reacting
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:28:46pm |
re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
NO FAIR! NEWT'S GOT ALTERNATES!
"Wolf, I want to use my phone-a-friend."
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FreedomMoon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:29:07pm |
Santorum: "Kids aren't born good." Of course they aren't, they were born evil, vile sinners.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:29:12pm |
re: #65 darthstar
Santorum - that fucker wins the Presidency the White House will turn into a home school for creationists.
I am prepared to leave the country...seriously...in that event.
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jhrhv Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:29:16pm |
I started a business crushing peoples dreams and off shoring jobs now I want to run the country.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:29:33pm |
re: #73 jaunte
Original sin man.
It fits, in this case. Kids do not simply do good spontaneously, they must be taught to do so.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:29:40pm |
re: #79 tacuba14
Santorum: "Kids aren't born good." Of course they aren't, they were born evil, vile sinners.
Kids are born messy and loud.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:29:52pm |
re: #80 celticdragon
I am prepared to leave the country...seriously...in that event.
I have a city.
Under the ocean.
I call it... Rapture.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:29:58pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
It fits, in this case. Kids do not simply do good spontaneously, they must be taught to do so.
Except that's not the definition of original sin.
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:30:09pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
It has nothing to do with the job they're seeking.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:30:24pm |
re: #70 Dark_Falcon
A man should carefully choose his wife. And of those four guys on stage, only Newt has divorced. The other three made a good choice early on and stuck with it.
What the fucking fuck? You actually judge him negatively because he's been divorced? I judge him negatively because he's a fucking asshole who treated his wives like shit before divorcing them. (Romney, stop talking about the fucking Olympics...they're over) How do you know that their wives aren't miserable? That they aren't psychologically abusive towards their spouses? We know nothing about these peoples' personal lives.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:30:31pm |
re: #79 tacuba14
Santorum: "Kids aren't born good." Of course they aren't, they were born evil, vile sinners.
He doesn't mean it that way. He means that people need to be taught to be good.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:30:34pm |
re: #84 Varek Raith
I have a city.
Under the ocean.
I call it... Rapture.
You play too much Bio-Shock, methinks.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:30:34pm |
Romney got two Reagan Mentions (RMs) into that answer. Well done.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:30:42pm |
"Ronnie"? Newt, you were on the floor of the House, badmouthing the man, and you've got the balls to call him "Ronnie"?
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:30:54pm |
When Newt refers to the Romney attack machine, Romney think, "He's found out I'm a machine! Who told?"
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:31:32pm |
re: #88 Dark_Falcon
He doesn't mean it that way. He means that people need to be taught to be good.
Through government coercion. He is a closet Hobbesian monarchist.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:31:36pm |
Does Newt really think by keep raising Goldwater that is going to help him be President?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:31:43pm |
re: #91 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Ronnie"? Newt, you were on the floor of the House, badmouthing the man, and you've got the balls to call him "Ronnie"?
Heh. My grandmother still calls my Dad "Ronnie."
Grandfather of 24. Gets medicare this year.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:31:48pm |
re: #87 darthstar
What the fucking fuck? You actually judge him negatively because he's been divorced? I judge him negatively because he's a fucking asshole who treated his wives like shit before divorcing them. (Romney, stop talking about the fucking Olympics...they're over) How do you know that their wives aren't miserable? That they aren't psychologically abusive towards their spouses? We know nothing about these peoples' personal lives.
No, I just felt the "carefully chosen wives" line by Charles needed to be answered.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:32:09pm |
re: #89 celticdragon
You play too much Bio-Shock, methinks.
Haven't played it in years.
Never got the second one either.
Just love the references though.
:)
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:32:13pm |
re: #90 Charles
Romney got two Reagan Mentions (RMs) into that answer. Well done.
I have spent 20 Reagans Reaganing a Reagany Reagan Reaganly.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:32:25pm |
re: #96 freetoken
Does Newt really think by keep raising Goldwater that is going to help him be President?
Pfft. Goldwater would be a RINO these days, given his support for gays in the military.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:32:25pm |
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:32:27pm |
re: #91 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Ronnie"? Newt, you were on the floor of the House, badmouthing the man, and you've got the balls to call him "Ronnie"?
Balls...or gall...are not something he lacks.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:32:34pm |
re: #75 EmmmieG
Mitt was in high school.
Full disclosure: My parents met in grade school.
NEWT MARRIED HIS TEACHER!
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:32:36pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:32:37pm |
re: #95 darthstar
I'm getting polled by Rasmussen right now.
"Which candidate do you like?"
"Jello Biafra."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:32:37pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:33:12pm |
re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
NEWT MARRIED HIS TEACHER!
My dad married the girl who beat him at the long jump.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:33:27pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:33:35pm |
re: #94 celticdragon
Through government coercion. He is a closet Hobbesian monarchist.
How do you figure?
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Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:33:35pm |
Be cool. Don't worry. Just be yourself. and then scream ron paul and hang up...
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:33:47pm |
re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Scream "RON PAUL!" and hang-up.
Fuck that...scream Reagan Goldwater 2012 and then hang up.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:33:48pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:33:55pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:34:00pm |
re: #114 Major Tom
Be cool. Don't worry. Just be yourself. and then scream ron paul and hang up...
BABA BOOEY
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:34:21pm |
Cuba... Communism... Jihadists... Iran
All in one reply by Santorum.
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b_sharp Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:34:34pm |
re: #88 Dark_Falcon
He doesn't mean it that way. He means that people need to be taught to be good.
Kids don't know the difference between good and bad any more than any other animal.
The idea of good/bad is a construction developed to formalize our internal battle between individual survival and social relationships.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:34:35pm |
re: #115 celticdragon
Fuck that...scream Reagan Goldwater 2012 and then hang up.
Zombie Lincoln.....
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:34:41pm |
Seriously, did Batista just fall yesterday? Cuba's a crumbling wreck, not some great evil sitting off the Florida coast.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:34:47pm |
re: #120 windsagio
Paul likes to talk about he's old.. a lot.
BACK IN MY DAY WE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THESE NIGRAS VOTIN
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:34:48pm |
re: #93 Charleston Chew
When Newt refers to the Romney attack machine, Romney think, "He's found out I'm a machine! Who told?"
"Cheese it, it's the cops!"
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FreedomMoon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:35:25pm |
re: #120 windsagio
Paul likes to talk about he's old.. a lot.
With each passing year his eyebrows space even farther apart.
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bubba zanetti Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:35:42pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:35:42pm |
re: #93 Charleston Chew
When Newt refers to the Romney attack machine, Romney think, "He's found out I'm a machine! Who told?"
You mean:
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:35:47pm |
re: #124 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Seriously, did Batista just fall yesterday? Cuba's a crumbling wreck, not some great evil sitting off the Florida coast.
The Cuban expat community in Florida is nutty and powerful. Also, they're the only hispanics that'll actually vote GOP, so its important!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:35:56pm |
and now all the republicans merge into one Great Champion With Eight Arms #moorcock
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:36:02pm |
re: #129 tacuba14
With each passing year his eyebrows space even farther apart.
It's one of the effects of the Precious.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:36:02pm |
re: #127 Gus 802
Ron Paul's answer on Cuba was a good one.
Paul's foreign policy proposals aren't exactly all that madcap. It's the shit he wants to do at home that turns most people's hair white.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:36:16pm |
re: #114 Major Tom
Be cool. Don't worry. Just be yourself. and then scream ron paul and hang up...
If you can wail "Constituuution", it adds to the realism. Demand to know if the caller can recite the Bill of Rights.
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Meitantei Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:36:27pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Meh, the "Iran can get nuclear weapons and it'll be fine " is madcap.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:36:54pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
How do you figure?
He has insisted for years that government should and must control the moral nature of the people. A couple of years ago, he stated that every society in history has policed and regulated "private" sexual behavior. He is a statist that would use government coercion to enforce his own mores onto the rest of us in the name of the public good. In truth, I don't think Thomas Hobbes even goes that far.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:37:02pm |
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:37:19pm |
re: #137 Meitantei
Meh, the "Iran can get nuclear weapons and it'll be fine " is madcap.
Not exactly, our own intelligence community says Iran's in no rush to develop nukes. They're building the capabilities, but still a year or more away from a working bomb.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:37:25pm |
There goes Fidel again... "leaving" the planet.
I wonder where he is going?
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:37:42pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:37:46pm |
re: #142 freetoken
There goes Fidel again... "leaving" the planet.
I wonder where he is going?
Don't look at me....
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Altermite Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:37:57pm |
re: #142 freetoken
There goes Fidel again... "leaving" the planet.
I wonder where he is going?
Moon base.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:38:01pm |
re: #142 freetoken
There goes Fidel again... "leaving" the planet.
I wonder where he is going?
Trying to get his own moon base, I bet. Space Race 2.0.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:38:13pm |
re: #143 celticdragon
Vampire hunter Lincoln...
Just saw the poster for the movie coming out in a few months. Sounds cool to me.
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krypto Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:38:13pm |
Newt -- thinly veiled accusation that Obama is Muslim or too much interested in Muslim countries!
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Meitantei Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:38:40pm |
re: #141 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Doesn't mean we should just be letting them have it. I've seen Paultards ( and I know I thought it when I was one) thought that since Iran wouldn't attack the US, it would be all right for them to have nukes period. That's wrong.
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Robert O. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:38:59pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Paul's foreign policy proposals aren't exactly all that madcap. It's the shit he wants to do at home that turns most people's hair white.
Umm... Ron Paul is a stopped clock that happened to got it right with the Cuban question, we now have to wait twelve hours until he says another thing right.
Seriously, Paul wants the US to quit the UN, quit NATO, quit international treaties. He has declared global warming "the greatest hoax ever perpetrated." Perhaps quite absurdly - as even I cannot understand the reason - Ron Paul proposed a bill in 1999 that would see the US re-annex the Panama Canal.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:39:01pm |
re: #149 Meitantei
Doesn't mean we should just be letting them have it. I've seen Paultards ( and I know I thought it when I was one) thought that since Iran wouldn't attack the US, it would be all right for them to have nukes period. That's wrong.
And you propose...?
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:39:01pm |
re: #145 Altermite
Moon base.
Somebody needs to do a mashup of Newt into old Space:1999 episodes...
Awesomeness for years.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:39:13pm |
Yeah, Palestinians do exist. But they engage in violent rejectionist policies that make engaging them unproductive.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:39:18pm |
In order? I loved Epstein, Washington, Kotter's wife (Julie), Horshack, Kotter and Barbarino.
I'm bummed right now about Epstein, and the debate's on.
This sucks.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:39:26pm |
re: #149 Meitantei
Doesn't mean we should just be letting them have it. I've seen Paultards ( and I know I thought it when I was one) thought that since Iran wouldn't attack the US, it would be all right for them to have nukes period. That's wrong.
There's no real viable option besides applying pressure and hoping that the regime collapses from within.
| 158 |
freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:39:33pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:39:42pm |
re: #141 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Not exactly, our own intelligence community says Iran's in no rush to develop nukes. They're building the capabilities, but still a year or more away from a working bomb.
Having time is one thing, but Ron Paul is another. We've got time to work on this, but shrugging and saying "So, they'll be nuclear, who cares," is not exactly helping matters.
| 160 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:39:45pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
How do you figure?
you're kidding, right?
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
this is standard knowledge that Santorum wants to clamp down on personal freedom when it comes to sexuality, there's no way you cannot know this
| 161 |
Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:40:15pm |
re: #150 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Time to kiss Israel's ass again.
This Muslim Republican in Florida is about to get well acquainted with the underside of the GOP bus.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:40:19pm |
re: #140 WindUpBird
I HAVE SO FORGOTTEN
its a trick question, that's a rare champion that nobody cares about.
also the best bookcover ever!
| 163 |
Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:40:23pm |
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:40:39pm |
re: #150 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Time to kiss Israel's ass again.
I have no problem at all with acknowledging Israel as a valuable ally in a bad place. I have a lot of problems when people treat Israel like a the 51st state, however.
| 166 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:40:50pm |
re: #152 Robert O.
Umm... Ron Paul is a stopped clock that happened to got it right with the Cuban question, we now have to wait twelve hours until he says another thing right.
Seriously, Paul wants the US to quit the UN, quit NATO, quit international treaties. He has declared global warming "the greatest hoax ever perpetrated." Perhaps quite absurdly - as even I cannot understand the reason - Ron Paul proposed a bill in 1999 that would see the US re-annex the Panama Canal.
Hmm, good point. Think I agree with Paul on dismantling much of our foreign military infrastructure, but that's about it.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:40:56pm |
MItt's working hard for the end-of-the-world evangelical crowd.
| 168 |
recusancy Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:41:07pm |
That guy must really hate himself if he's a Republican.
| 170 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:41:23pm |
re: #160 WindUpBird
you're kidding, right?
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
this is standard knowledge that Santorum wants to clamp down on personal freedom when it comes to sexuality, there's no way you cannot know this
I prefer this story.
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
| 171 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:41:34pm |
re: #160 WindUpBird
you're kidding, right?
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
this is standard knowledge that Santorum wants to clamp down on personal freedom when it comes to sexuality, there's no way you cannot know this
Yes, but the allegation was that Santorum is a "closet Hobbesian monarchist". I haven't heard how his positions make him a monarchist.
| 173 |
Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:41:42pm |
| 174 |
Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:41:55pm |
re: #164 jhrhv
That guy looks really pissed right now.
He just realized he's been thrown into the Colosseum with some hungry lions.
| 175 |
FreedomMoon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:42:03pm |
Newt doubling down!re: #161 Charleston Chew
This Muslim Republican in Florida is about to get well acquainted with the underside of the GOP bus.
He's basically getting a 'fuck you' from Romney and even more from Newt. I could have warned him before he even asked.
| 176 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:42:05pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Yes, but the allegation was that Santorum is a "closet Hobbesian monarchist". I haven't heard how his positions make him a monarchist.
well yeah he's more of a papist.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:42:18pm |
Newt goes deep to pander to the Evangelicals.
| 178 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:42:23pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:42:41pm |
re: #167 freetoken
MItt's working hard for the end-of-the-world evangelical crowd.
Won't work. They're on to his satanic Mormon underwear.
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b_sharp Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:42:52pm |
re: #165 celticdragon
I have no problem at all with acknowledging Israel as a valuable ally in a bad place. I have a lot of problems when people treat Israel like a the 51st state, however.
Isn't an unofficial annexation, even if figurative, paternalistic and degrading to Israelis?
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:42:58pm |
Puerto Rican statehood, that's a new one.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:43:10pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Yes, but the allegation was that Santorum is a "closet Hobbesian monarchist". I haven't heard how his positions make him a monarchist.
Because the only way to effectively clamp down on all the freedoms Santorum wants to destroy is either by a totalitarian regime or an absolute monarchy where his word would be law.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:43:15pm |
re: #164 jhrhv
That guy looks really pissed right now.
Yeah, well sucks to be him. He spouted the wrong ideas about the Arab - Israeli divide, and got the brush-off that error merits.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:43:32pm |
re: #155 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, Palestinians do exist. But they engage in violent rejectionist policies that make engaging them unproductive.
There are Christian Palestinians, Muslim Palestinians and women and children etc etc...and Israel has not had a good record of respecting property rights and rights of travel for many people who probably deserve better. People in this country have a bad habit of assuming all Arabs are wacko jihadis. Not the case...and the Christian Church in Palestine is perhaps the most ancient and one of the strongest.
| 188 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:43:33pm |
re: #182 b_sharp
Isn't an unofficial annexation, even if figurative, paternalistic and degrading to Israelis?
well I'll tell you people don't like the term 'client state'...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:43:49pm |
Excuse me if I disappear for a bit - pan-frying some mahi-mahi.
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:44:02pm |
@daveweigel
Pandering to the Puerto Rico primary! This never happens. Fun.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:44:18pm |
Rasmussen poll questions:
First question: Right Direction.
Second - Approval of Obama - strongly approve
Man / woman - man
age - 40-49
Ethnicity - white
often do you vote - all the time
party affiliation voting:
Romney v Obama - I chose Obama
Newt v Obama - I chose Obama
Repub v Democrat - I chose Democrat
National Security, Economy, Domestic, Culture, Fiscal - most important issue (I chose economy)
Is Obama Liberal - moderate (but accidentally chose liberal...oops)
Is Biden liberal - moderate
Sotu - did I watch? Yes.
wEALTHY pay fair share in taxes - I said no.
Favor wealthy tax increase - I said yes
Prevent 30% tax cap (including state and local) - I said no
Will taxes help economy - I said yes
Personal position - are you conservative, liberal, etc.
Issues in the news:(choose dem or rep for who you trust)
1. Ethics - D
2. Taxes - D
3. Healthcare - D
4. Social Security - D
5. Education -D
salary - under 20, 40, 60,75, 100, or over 100 - over 100
kids - none
Party trust on security - D
is federal gov't special interest group? - Yes
Do gov't and business work together to hurt people. - Yes
There it is...my first Rasmussen poll with answers.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:44:22pm |
re: #185 Lidane
Because the only way to effectively clamp down on all the freedoms Santorum wants to destroy is either by a totalitarian regime or an absolute monarchy where his word would be law.
ding ding!
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:44:42pm |
re: #186 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, well sucks to be him. He spouted the wrong ideas about
the Arab - Israeli dividebeing a Muslim Republican, and got the brush-off that error merits.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:44:45pm |
re: #178 WindUpBird
lol
i love penguins, we gots some Humboldt penguins at the Oregon Zoo
They've got them up in the Milwaukee County Zoo, too. Those little guys are a long-time crowd favorite.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:45:11pm |
So, only Santorum weighs in on Puetro Rican statehood and basically says "No," but doesn't have the balls to admit it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:45:43pm |
re: #182 b_sharp
Isn't an unofficial annexation, even if figurative, paternalistic and degrading to Israelis?
Luckily, most Israelis don't watch the GOP presidential nomination debates. This is probably all that keeps them (relatively) sane.
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jhrhv Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:45:47pm |
re: #186 Dark_Falcon
No doubt he was hoping he would get some pandering for the vote type response not the you don't exist and the Palestinian leaders are violent one.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:45:50pm |
re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Yes, but the allegation was that Santorum is a "closet Hobbesian monarchist". I haven't heard how his positions make him a monarchist.
As already mentioned, his views veer off into statist despotism.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:45:51pm |
re: #197 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So, only Santorum weighs in on Puetro Rican statehood and basically says "No," but doesn't have the balls to admit it.
which is annoying, the proper answer is "yes".
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FreedomMoon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:45:53pm |
re: #193 darthstar
I've always wanted to be polled, that probably sounds lame. 26 years into life and never once.
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Robert O. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:45:53pm |
That's easy! Rick Santorum is going to rule from the Bible, and establish himself the Supreme Leader of the Christian Republic of America.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:46:26pm |
re: #189 Charles
Excuse me if I disappear for a bit - pan-frying some mahi-mahi.
Enjoy! That's some good eatin'.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:46:48pm |
re: #203 tacuba14
I've always wanted to be polled, that probably sounds lame. 26 years into life and never once.
Again, TMI.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:46:48pm |
re: #204 Robert O.
That's easy! Rick Santorum is going to rule from the Bible, and establish himself the Supreme Leader of the Christian Republic of America.
Again, he'll just hand us over to the Empero- I mean Pope Benedict.
| 213 |
jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:47:06pm |
"You can pursue happiness, as long as this book and I agree."
| 215 |
Altermite Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:47:20pm |
Also Newt Gingrich. But we knew that already.
| 217 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:47:32pm |
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:48:05pm |
and newt got his shot on the press in, that's what saved him in SC.
| 222 |
jhrhv Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:48:10pm |
Why Newt's running not to loose weight but how many chicks can I pull if I'm in the oval office.
//
| 223 |
jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:48:19pm |
Newt's previous marriages were suffused with his faith.
| 224 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:48:21pm |
War against Christianity again.
Overblown "concern", and badly so at that.
| 226 |
krypto Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:48:30pm |
War on Religion! - Newt goes after the Perry Vote!
| 227 |
Egregious Philbin Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:48:42pm |
I got "push polled" locally the other night, I was asked which of the two statements I supported, of course they were cartoonishly extreme on both sides, so I told them that life is not so simplistic. Then I go the usual "canidate A is loved by all and will bring the world into a new era of love and peace and understanding, candidate b eats babies and is Satan's spawn, do you support the beautiful candidate A, or are you a scum sucking heathen who supports B?"
It was a poll commissioned by Ben Quayle...bleah..
| 229 |
Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:48:49pm |
So Republicans love "successful people" but hate "the elite".
Also hate educated people.
| 230 |
Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:48:56pm |
Yeah, the government military doesn't provide your freedom!
| 231 |
FreedomMoon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:49:05pm |
Is there anything more "invented" (in the vein of Newt's rhetoric) than the 'war' on Christianity?
| 232 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:49:20pm |
Oh gee, a new spin on the "Creator" BS, saying that the Constitution is subservient to the DoI.
| 233 |
freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:49:35pm |
The "Why" in the Declaration of Independence.
Oh yeah, Rick, it's those nasty redskin Indians, that's "why" we were founded.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:49:49pm |
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:50:09pm |
re: #231 tacuba14
Is there anything more "invented" (in the vein of Newt's rhetoric) than the 'war' on Christianity?
Santorum's end-run around religious freedom just now, saying that the Constitution is protecting "God-given rights" because the Declaration of Independence contains the word "Creator."
| 237 |
jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:50:10pm |
@FrankConniff
If God is watching this debate, right now He is firing a gun at the TV screen, Elvis-style.
| 238 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:50:14pm |
re: #231 tacuba14
Is there anything more "invented" (in the vein of Newt's rhetoric) than the 'war' on Christianity?
"I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department."
| 239 |
b_sharp Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:50:38pm |
re: #231 tacuba14
Is there anything more "invented" (in the vein of Newt's rhetoric) than the 'war' on Christianity?
Scientology.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:50:51pm |
re: #233 freetoken
The "Why" in the Declaration of Independence.
Oh yeah, Rick, it's those nasty redskin Indians, that's "why" we were founded.
I'm not watching. I've just been reading all this as it slides by. I don't even want to know.
But: WHAT?
| 241 |
Egregious Philbin Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:51:22pm |
Santorum always looks like he wants to get back at the world for getting his ass kicked in grade school for being a wussie.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:51:23pm |
re: #229 Charleston Chew
So Republicans love "successful people" but hate "the elite".
Also hate educated people.
"Elites" aren't always rich. They only have to be people who laugh at Republicans when they say crazy things.
| 243 |
jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:51:25pm |
@sarahposner
Why can't Wolf make Newt enumerate examples of "religious oppression by the state." But only after Newt finds the jihadist under his bed.
| 244 |
darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:51:34pm |
| 245 |
freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:51:55pm |
re: #240 SanFranciscoZionist
Santorum said the Constitution gives us the "What", but not the "Why" of the US. He said the Declaration is the "Why" of the US.
I'm just pointing out to the fine print in said Declaration,
| 246 |
goddamnedfrank Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:51:59pm |
I believe the government can't take away your rights, unless we're talking about your right to own a dildo or choice not bear a rapist's baby.
| 247 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:52:05pm |
re: #242 moderatelyradicalliberal
"Elites" aren't always rich. They only have to be people who laugh at Republicans when they say crazy things.
if that's true, then I've been elite since I was like 8 and reading Bloom County
| 248 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:52:08pm |
re: #240 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm not watching. I've just been reading all this as it slides by. I don't even want to know.
But: WHAT?
According to Rick, the Constitution is the operator's manual, but the DoI is the "Why" of America because of the "endowed by their Creator" line, meaning all the rights the Constitution protects are God-given.
| 249 |
b_sharp Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:52:19pm |
re: #244 darthstar
You had to grow up in the 70s to understand.
I was born in '55.
I was on drugs in the '70s.
| 250 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:52:44pm |
| 251 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:53:14pm |
re: #247 WindUpBird
if that's true, then I've been elite since I was like 8 and reading Bloom County
"Elite" is the new code word for liberal. It's not supposed to mean rich Republicans line Romney.
| 255 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:53:47pm |
re: #251 moderatelyradicalliberal
"Elite" is the new code word for liberal. It's not supposed to mean rich Republicans line Romney.
ugh, like Romney
| 256 |
darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:53:52pm |
re: #249 b_sharp
I was born in '55.
I was on drugs in the '70s.
Then you were exempt from Welcome Back Kotter.
| 257 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:53:59pm |
re: #247 WindUpBird
if that's true, then I've been elite since I was like 8 and reading Bloom County
So, you're voting Meadow Party too?
/
| 258 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:54:02pm |
Evening Lizardim. What have I missed in Crazytown?
| 259 |
Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:54:07pm |
Oddly enough Paul is right. In national polls he is within the margin of error of beating Obama.
| 260 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:54:28pm |
| 261 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:54:44pm |
re: #259 Major Tom
Oddly enough Paul is right. In national polls he is within the margin of error of beating Obama.
which is just proof that the polls have absolutely nothing to do with reality :p
| 262 |
darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:54:52pm |
re: #258 thedopefishlives
Evening Lizardim. What have I missed in Crazytown?
CNN fail, enhanced by four megalomaniacs.
| 264 |
freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:55:05pm |
Ron - your position "undermines" just about anything.
| 265 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:55:10pm |
Imagine if we had the per-capita exports of Germany
| 266 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:55:25pm |
re: #258 thedopefishlives
Evening Lizardim. What have I missed in Crazytown?
Not much. Much less Bad Craziness tonight, compared to South Carolina.
| 267 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:55:26pm |
Candidates:
Voter EmmmieG has noted that the frozen cookies sold by Otis Spunkmeyer has changed recently. What will you do to make them change it back?
If they're going to pander, they can pander to me. Personally.
| 268 |
jhrhv Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:55:40pm |
I want extraordinary change but I won't help our current president change anything.
| 269 |
jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:55:40pm |
Wolf Blitzer:
I would not be just a nuffin'
My head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain
I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a brain
| 270 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:55:53pm |
re: #263 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Europe! DRINK!
Isn't that the place where Mitt was hiding his money? What kind of Republican hides his money with commie socialist Europeans?
| 271 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:55:59pm |
Yes, we wish to be an economic powerhouse again by avoiding the errors of Europe, but in particular that economic wreck called Germany.
///*rolls eyes*
| 272 |
FreedomMoon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:56:00pm |
re: #251 moderatelyradicalliberal
"Elite" is the new code word for liberal. It's not supposed to mean rich Republicans line Romney.
My favorite euphemism for the "elite" is the country-club Republican. I always envision it literally, like a bunch of old white dudes wearing golf attire, smoking cigars on the green.
| 273 |
darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:56:04pm |
you can't have dramatic fundamental change, Mitt....you can have dramatic change (where there's a lot of risk) or you can have fundamental change (where there's less risk, but a more predictable path)
| 274 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:56:20pm |
re: #266 Dark_Falcon
Not much. Much less Bad Craziness tonight, compared to South Carolina.
Heh. The president's artillery strike must've subdued some of the bullshit.
| 275 |
Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:56:36pm |
Mitt sounds like McCain... "I know how to beat him! I know how to do it!"
| 276 |
freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:56:40pm |
re: #271 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
What? You mean a Somalian free-for-all isn't better?
| 277 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:56:41pm |
re: #257 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So, you're voting Meadow Party too?
/
I loved the Meadow Party conventions...
| 278 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:56:47pm |
Yes, Romney does "know how to win". You earn as much money he has, that's gotta count as winning.
| 279 |
Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:57:17pm |
re: #276 freetoken
What? You mean a Somalian free-for-all isn't better?
If you're a warlord it's the bomb.
Otherwise...not so much.
| 280 |
darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:57:23pm |
re: #278 Dark_Falcon
Yes, Romney does "know how to win". You earn as much money he has, that's gotta count as winning.
Okay...that counts. Romney's a winner. Can he now go away and let the adults run the country?
| 282 |
steve_davis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:57:43pm |
I've just got to say, I'm reading through these posts while listening to the best of Spanky & the Gang. "Sunday Morning" just kind of made me put my head back and have a little musigasm. Partly, it's the music, partly it's being transported back to the age of 10, listening to my brother's old 45's. I still have a special place in my heart for Hippo Stomp, He Ain't No Angel, Uncle Albert, Indian Reservation, and a donated LP of Machine Head. The album had a heat warp in it, and to this day I wish I still had that album so I could listen to Smoke on the Water with that distinctive whoosh sound that came from the stylus groovin' in the grooves! All right, reminiscence terminated. Carry on.
| 284 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:57:53pm |
re: #272 tacuba14
My favorite euphemism for the "elite" is the country-club Republican. I always envision it literally, like a bunch of old white dudes wearing golf attire, smoking cigars on the green.
They laugh at the GOP base too and think they are useful idiots. But when it's all said and done the base falls in line, eats up their bullshit and do what they are told if they think the people they don't like will be worse off. Lee Atwater knew all about it.
| 285 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:58:25pm |
Gingrich: "I believe that what we need is a BIG Election."
Election. With an L.
| 289 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:58:36pm |
"Every American who prefers a paycheck to food stamps," says Newt. And dogs throughout Jacksonville sat up and howled.
| 290 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:58:37pm |
re: #278 Dark_Falcon
Yes, Romney does "know how to win". You earn as much money he has, that's gotta count as winning.
He won with the rich daddy and trust fund first.
| 291 |
Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:58:38pm |
re: #282 steve_davis
I've just got to say, I'm reading through these posts while listening to the best of Spanky & the Gang. "Sunday Morning" just kind of made me put my head back and have a little musigasm. Partly, it's the music, partly it's being transported back to the age of 10, listening to my brother's old 45's. I still have a special place in my heart for Hippo Stomp, He Ain't No Angel, Uncle Albert, Indian Reservation, and a donated LP of Machine Head. The album had a heat warp in it, and to this day I wish I still had that album so I could listen to Smoke on the Water with that distinctive whoosh sound that came from the stylus groovin' in the grooves! All right, reminiscence terminated. Carry on.
You make me feel young. Bless you.
| 292 |
jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:58:40pm |
If we have a really big election, the GOP will lose. That's why they're so hot on pursuing virtually nonexistent "voter fraud."
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b_sharp Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:58:45pm |
re: #251 moderatelyradicalliberal
"Elite" is the new code word for liberal. It's not supposed to mean rich Republicans line Romney.
An Elite is a well educated person living in an ivory tower who doesn't understand common sense, nor the common man but is arrogant enough to believe her education makes her an expert capable of telling the common man what to do.
| 294 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:58:54pm |
re: #285 Charles
Gingrich: "I believe that what we need is a BIG Election."
Election. With an L.
He'll get it. It's called a landslide. And let me give him a free hint: He won't be the winner.
| 295 |
darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:58:57pm |
I really want Santorum to win Florida. Newt can come in second. Romney can finish last behind Paul.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:58:58pm |
re: #259 Major Tom
Oddly enough Paul is right. In national polls he is within the margin of error of beating Obama.
Legalize pot, bring the troops home is a different audience than the other two. More paulians are coming out of the wood work on my facebook than last time around.
America first - and the world gets scraps is a crude way but probbaly effective of describing the latest couple of paulians on my list. They know there is a world out there and they know it's fucked, but Iraq and AFghanistan have turned them inwards towards that levl of investment at home before going back out to the world.
People are pissed at foreign entanglements.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:59:14pm |
Hehehe... all of you got Santorum down on the AGW part.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:59:45pm |
re: #297 freetoken
Hehehe... all of you got Santorum down on the AGW part.
He's the only one who brings it up at these debates.
:/
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:59:54pm |
Uh, Rick...those "Reagan Democrats" are now all in their 70s and better known as "the Republican base"...
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 6:59:58pm |
re: #289 Dark_Falcon
"Every American who prefers a paycheck to food stamps," says Newt. And dogs throughout Jacksonville sat up and howled.
I prefer a 500K line of credit with Tiffany's myself.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:00:12pm |
re: #289 Dark_Falcon
"Every American who prefers a paycheck to food stamps," says Newt. And dogs throughout Jacksonville sat up and howled.
Republicans appeal to the people who imagine there's such a thing as a person who prefers food stamps to a paycheck, and Dems appeal to people who know that no such person exists.
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Charleston Chew Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:00:44pm |
re: #290 moderatelyradicalliberal
He won with the rich daddy and trust fund first.
He' a born winner.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:00:59pm |
Newt's windy blow-hard answers I suspect turned off more people than won him votes.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:01:00pm |
re: #302 Charleston Chew
Republicans appeal to the people who imagine there's such a thing as a person who prefers food stamps to a paycheck, and Dems appeal to people who know that no such person exists.
And the people who know that most people on feed stamps work.
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recusancy Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:01:03pm |
Damn it must be depressing to be a Republican right now.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:01:08pm |
Winner? (my vote is with a slight Newt win)
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b_sharp Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:01:24pm |
re: #278 Dark_Falcon
Yes, Romney does "know how to win". You earn as much money he has, that's gotta count as winning.
If your concept of 'winning' is limited to the amount of money you make.
If you believe 'winning' is the goal of life.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:01:35pm |
re: #300 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I prefer a 500K line of credit with Tiffany's myself.
Well, that'll buy a solid silver dog whistle. Expensive, but Callista demands nothing less than the best, I'm sure. (Not a lot of places to go with that one.)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:01:36pm |
re: #306 recusancy
Damn it must be depressing to be a Republican right now.
It is. Because if you're a Republican, America is falling apart at the seams. For those of us with our heads not stuck up our asses, however...
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:01:41pm |
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Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:01:45pm |
re: #307 SpaceJesus
Winner? (my vote is with a slight Newt win)
I hope you're right. Let the civil war in the GOP continue.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:01:45pm |
I gotta say...the more I learn about Saul Alinsky...the more I wish we had two or three more of him around right now.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:02:00pm |
re: #305 moderatelyradicalliberal
And the people who know that most people on feed stamps work.
And that people need food banks.
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Robert O. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:02:07pm |
President Obama has won another debate without participating.
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:02:23pm |
I think (hope) that this past week was Newt's high-water mark.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:02:43pm |
re: #306 recusancy
I would love to go to these things. Just to watch the death of the GOP. I mean look at it. They have a cardboard cut out, a fascist, a moon man, and a crazy grandfather. I would get smashed at these things then ironically whoot at the most reprehensible things along with the rest of the crowd.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:02:46pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:02:49pm |
re: #257 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So, you're voting Meadow Party too?
/
well done sir! :D
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Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:02:50pm |
re: #316 jaunte
I think (hope) that this past week was Newt's high-water mark.
Why would you want newt out?
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:03:11pm |
re: #316 jaunte
I think (hope) that this past week was Newt's high-water mark.
Where would the fun be in that?
If Newt carried FL then the race would go on. Otherwise, I suspect it would be all down hill, quickly.
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FreedomMoon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:03:26pm |
re: #307 SpaceJesus
Winner? (my vote is with a slight Newt win)
Winner for whom? For the republican base? Or for America?
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:03:32pm |
re: #316 jaunte
I think (hope) that this past week was Newt's grey-water mark.
He leaves a trail of slime behind him.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:03:34pm |
re: #318 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
interesting.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:03:49pm |
re: #314 wozzablog
And that people who work and are on food stamps also need food banks.
And needed them even before the recession. You would think there was no poverty before 2009, when in fact our poverty numbers a pretty consistent and shamefully so.
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:04:01pm |
re: #320 Major Tom
I know, he would seem like an easy one to beat. I just think he's too crazy, and his candidacy would be bad for the country.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:04:12pm |
The more Newt talks the more apparent it will become how empty the whole right-wing movement has been, ever since Reagan.
Not to the true believers, but most of them are already over 65.
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Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:04:24pm |
Ari Fleischer makes me want to hit something.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:04:54pm |
re: #316 jaunte
I think (hope) that this past week was Newt's high-water mark.
Only if Romney whips his ass in FL. Otherwise, if he only pulls off a close win or finishes second, Newt will stay in, claiming that Monday's debate hobbled him.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:05:05pm |
re: #302 Charleston Chew
Republicans appeal to the people who imagine there's such a thing as a person who prefers food stamps to a paycheck, and Dems appeal to people who know that no such person exists.
I think that's more Newt than anything else. I'm sure Santorum doesn't believe that, whatever else about him is true. But he'd gain nothing rebutting Newt on it, so he doesn't reply. But Obama will not be subject to the same calculations, so he will respond if Newt trots out that line. And I don't think Gingrich would win that particular exchange exchange.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:05:12pm |
I think the moon won this debate hands down. We need an LGF poll
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:05:16pm |
re: #307 SpaceJesus
Winner? (my vote is with a slight Newt win)
Newt needed Romney on the ropes - Republican voters respect someone who can rip open his opponent's throat and suck his life force out without getting his shirt dirty...Newt failed to satisfy that desire.
Romney got a few punches in (though he pulled them at the end because he doesn't want to actually hurt anyone...he has people who do that for him).
I think Romney gets it just because Newt didn't rip off his legs.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:05:27pm |
re: #325 moderatelyradicalliberal
And needed them even before the recession. You would think there was no poverty before 2009, when in fact our poverty numbers a pretty consistent and shamefully so.
Because they cannot admit that the Bush Presidency even happened. Obama magically squandered the surplus that magically carried through the entire nonexisitant Bush Presidency from Clinton, you see...
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elizajane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:05:30pm |
re: #278 Dark_Falcon
Yes, Romney does "know how to win". You earn as much money he has, that's gotta count as winning.
But he didn't claim to know how to win an election. His record there is not quite as strong as his financial winning.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:05:31pm |
re: #278 Dark_Falcon
Yes, Romney does "know how to win". You earn as much money he has, that's gotta count as winning.
you know he was born to an unbelievably rich guy, right?
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Major Tom Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:05:37pm |
re: #330 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Only if Romney whips his ass in FL. Otherwise, if he only pulls off a close win or finishes second, Newt will stay in, claiming that Monday's debate MODERATORS hobbled him.
Fixed it.
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:06:12pm |
@AriBerman
Get ready for 10 months of Romney vs. Obama
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:06:29pm |
OT:
Headline fail: French ELLE stated that the Obamas are the first African Americans to be fashionable.
Whaaaaa?
They are the First Americans at the moment. First Family.
They are African Americans.
They are fashionable.
Now we know at least one of them can sing.
But somehow those were combined in an unhealthy way. Ever since African-Americans have been able to buy and choose their own clothing, I'm sure there have been fashionable ones.
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b_sharp Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:06:33pm |
This is like watching the bouncing ball during a beach volleyball game played by Hooters waitresses.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:06:53pm |
re: #333 darthstar
I see that too, but I think the whole "I don't know any of my ads" bit by Romney really made him look sour.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:06:57pm |
re: #333 darthstar
Newt needed Romney on the ropes - Republican voters respect someone who can rip open his opponent's throat and suck his life force out without getting his shirt dirty...Newt failed to satisfy that desire.
Romney got a few punches in (though he pulled them at the end because he doesn't want to actually hurt anyone...he has people who do that for him).
I think Romney gets it just because Newt didn't rip off his legs.
Pretty much. For Newt to win, he had to put Romney down and make him stay there. Romney stayed on his feet, even if he's wobbling a bit and missing a couple teeth. Hence, TKO.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:07:06pm |
re: #336 WindUpBird
you know he was born to an unbelievably rich guy, right?
But aside from the ivy league education he didn't have to pay for and the connectionsit provided and the seed money for getting his start, Mitt Romney is a self-made man. That counts as WINNING!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:07:57pm |
re: #345 darthstar
But aside from the ivy league education he didn't have to pay for and the connectionsit provided and the seed money for getting his start, Mitt Romney is a self-made man. That counts as WINNING!
In the Charlie Sheen sense of the word, maybe.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:08:04pm |
re: #343 SpaceJesus
I see that too, but I think the whole "I don't know any of my ads" bit by Romney really made him look sour.
That, if used right, could keep him from a decisive victory on Tuesday.
Santorum helped keep Romney in check.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:08:04pm |
re: #336 WindUpBird
you know he was born to an unbelievably rich guy, right?
Yep, but he parlayed that into his own success. He didn't just live off of daddy's money.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:08:31pm |
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recusancy Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:08:50pm |
re: #348 Dark_Falcon
Yep, but he parlayed that into his own success. He didn't just live off of daddy's money.
You could say the same about Paris Hilton.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:09:06pm |
re: #334 celticdragon
Because they cannot admit that the Bush Presidency even happened. Obama magically squandered the surplus that magically carried through the entire nonexisitant Bush Presidency from Clinton, you see...
I just figured out why Republicans love Reagan so much. He's the only president they have had that they aren't ashamed of since Eisenhower. That's 50 fucking years! What are the odds that they will have a nominee in 2012 who would be a good president with that kind of record? Seriously, Democrats should run on that. Republicans do not have a good record of producing good presidents. The party that hates government ain't good at governing.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:09:11pm |
re: #348 Dark_Falcon
Yep, but he parlayed that into his own success. He didn't just live off of daddy's money.
And he had hungry business partners who carried his ass.
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b_sharp Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:09:34pm |
re: #348 Dark_Falcon
Yep, but he parlayed that into his own success. He didn't just live off of daddy's money.
What's easier, getting rich when you already have money or getting rich when you start with none? Which person deserves more respect?
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:09:38pm |
re: #350 recusancy
You could say the same about Paris Hilton.
True...she has acted in movies. She's a star in her own right.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:10:24pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:10:31pm |
re: #355 darthstar
True...she has acted in movies. She's a star in her own right.
Acting? Is that what she did?
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:10:45pm |
re: #353 Stanley Sea
They love the Cuban people, Trust in God, and think the Space Coast should have some money.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:10:51pm |
I have a trustee that handles my money, bitches! Also you'll never find out that I took a huge capital losses in 2008 & 2009, and paid virtually zero income tax those years.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:11:04pm |
re: #348 Dark_Falcon
Yep, but he parlayed that into his own success. He didn't just live off of daddy's money.
That's an incredibly low bar for "success"
basically, his success is the equivalent of bowling with the gutters blocked off, and then braising his bowling ability because he keeps hitting pins.
It's impossible for him to fail the way normal people fail, all the advantages and protections of his lineage, his cosmic political connections, his money, and his access toi capital allow him to only feel the successes
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:11:07pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:12:27pm |
re: #308 b_sharp
If your concept of 'winning' is limited to the amount of money you make.
If you believe 'winning' is the goal of life.
Aside from his obsession with winning the presidency of a party that doesn't like him, Romney's life doesn't seem too bad. He's married, they have kids, he's in good health. He's had a successful career. I have no idea if he's happy with his life, but he's got a number of things that should help.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:12:30pm |
re: #353 Stanley Sea
Synopsis por favor?
Romney's finances aren't his fault because somebody else runs them, 3 of 4 candidates seem to think Gen. Batista was overthrown yesterday, Newt thinks the private sector will put us on the Moon so that he can cut taxes, they all think Israel is just so neat, Puerto Rico's unlikely to become a state, they all love their wives (though Newt has an option to trade in for a younger model later), they won't say they're not religious nuts, and they all think they're bigger that Jesus when it comes to defeating Obama.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:12:49pm |
re: #361 WindUpBird
That's an incredibly low bar for "success"
basically, his success is the equivalent of bowling with the gutters blocked off, and then braising his bowling ability because he keeps hitting pins.
It's impossible for him to fail the way normal people fail, all the advantages and protections of his lineage, his cosmic political connections, his money, and his access toi capital allow him to only feel the successes
It's kind of impossible for you and I to fail, and our families have like 1/100'th the resources that the romneys do.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:13:16pm |
re: #358 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Acting? Is that what she did?
Actually, I'll defend Paris Hilton, since she was actually pretty cool in Repo: A Genetic Opera, she sang, she acted, she brought a bunch of her own stuff to help out the movie's production, and she was made up so as to appear that her face fell off of her head exposing a bloody mess
So i'll give her props for that :D
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:13:43pm |
re: #361 WindUpBird
basically, his success is the equivalent of bowling with the gutters blocked off, and then braising his bowling ability because he keeps hitting pins.
I'm so stealing this.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:14:20pm |
re: #325 moderatelyradicalliberal
And needed them even before the recession. You would think there was no poverty before 2009, when in fact our poverty numbers a pretty consistent and shamefully so.
What we noticed with the recession wasn't the poor, it was the impact on the middle class. We didn't pay the poor any mind before, and we're not paying them any mind now.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:14:21pm |
re: #366 windsagio
It's kind of impossible for you and I to fail, and our families have like 1/100'th the resources that the romneys do.
We can always move home if everything goes to shit, I even think my parents place still has my old mixing board :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:14:34pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:15:54pm |
re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist
What we noticed with the recession wasn't the poor, it was the impact on the middle class. We didn't pay the poor any mind before, and we're not paying them any mind now.
agreed exactly
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:17:53pm |
re: #354 b_sharp
What's easier, getting rich when you already have money or getting rich when you start with none? Which person deserves more respect?
The one who starts with nothing deserves more respect, but both are worthy of respect.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:19:03pm |
re: #340 EmmmieG
OT:
Headline fail: French ELLE stated that the Obamas are the first African Americans to be fashionable.
Whaaa?
They are the First Americans at the moment. First Family.
They are African Americans.
They are fashionable.
Now we know at least one of them can sing.
But somehow those were combined in an unhealthy way. Ever since African-Americans have been able to buy and choose their own clothing, I'm sure there have been fashionable ones.
French ELLE? Jesus, do they think Josephine Baker wore that banana outfit when she was OFFstage?
I don't even know what they think they're talking about. The number of reasons that is a dumb statement just begin to pile up.
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recusancy Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:19:32pm |
“The blind trust is an age-old ruse. You give a blind trust rules. You can say to a blind trust, don't invest in properties which would be in conflict of interest or where the seller might think they're going to get an advantage from me.” Romney told the Boston Globe in 1994. "'A United States senator has an obligation to tell its blind trust what it cannot and can invest in,' Romney told the Associated Press later.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:20:30pm |
re: #350 recusancy
You could say the same about Paris Hilton.
I could. I don't particularly understand what it is she does for a living, but she seems to be pretty good at it.
(She has a perfume out. I cannot imagine why any human being would smell like Paris Hilton on purpose, but maybe that's why when I saw it it was on deep discount at Marshall's.)
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zora Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:21:11pm |
re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist
What we noticed with the recession wasn't the poor, it was the impact on the middle class. We didn't pay the poor any mind before, and we're not paying them any mind now.
when you say poor, are you referring to the soon to haves?/
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:21:13pm |
It would be more fun if the AmIdol judges moderated the debates, and told the candidates who could come to the next debate and who had to go home.
Or, they could do SURVIVOR: GOP NOMINATION. OUTWIT OUTLAST OUTPLAY.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:22:25pm |
re: #378 Alouette
It would be more fun if the AmIdol judges moderated the debates, and told the candidates who could come to the next debate and who had to go home.
Or, they could do SURVIVOR: GOP NOMINATION. OUTWIT OUTLAST OUTPLAY.
Perhaps we'll get lucky and we'll see one of these schmucks voted off the island this weekend.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:23:03pm |
Ok, I'm watching too much of my son's shows. I looked at the debate a moment ago when Laup Nor was blatting and I couldn't understand what Megatron wanted with the Fed instead of Energon...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:23:03pm |
re: #377 zora
when you say poor, are you referring to the soon to haves?/
Now, I assumed that I was a soon-to-have, and the poor are the people who follow Newt around yelling that they want foodstamps.
I wish these guys would draw a chart or something.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:23:06pm |
re: #379 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Perhaps we'll get lucky and we'll see one of these schmucks voted off the island this weekend.
They could all wear loincloths and compete in feats of strength and hopscotch.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:23:22pm |
re: #378 Alouette
It would be more fun if the AmIdol judges moderated the debates, and told the candidates who could come to the next debate and who had to go home.
Or, they could do SURVIVOR: GOP NOMINATION. OUTWIT OUTLAST OUTPLAY.
Paul Abdul would cry when she had to eliminate Santorum.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:24:11pm |
re: #382 Alouette
They could all wear loincloths and compete in feats of strength and hopscotch.
I want it to be like that show where there's all the wheels and stuff made of foam, and if you screw up, you fall into the water.
What's that one called? I just saw it for a couple of minutes.
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BeenHereAwhile Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:24:14pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:24:16pm |
re: #383 SanFranciscoZionist
Paul Abdul would cry when she had to eliminate Santorum.
I know I do, plus its a bitch to clean up.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:24:24pm |
re: #376 SanFranciscoZionist
I could. I don't particularly understand what it is she does for a living, but she seems to be pretty good at it.
She markets herself and her image. That's pretty much it.
But yeah, she's good at it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:25:03pm |
re: #386 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I know I do, plus its a bitch to clean up.
I wrote that.
And then I hit send.
And then I thought about it.
And then I couldn't think of a way to make it any better.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:26:35pm |
I gotta say, I feel sorry for the Muslim Republican guy who asked a question tonight. Don't think he's ever gonna get that bus tire tread mark off his face.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:26:48pm |
re: #313 celticdragon
I gotta say...the more I learn about Saul Alinsky...the more I wish we had two or three more of him around right now.
Heh. Who says LGF hasn't gone radical left? 4 updings. Nice. Take heart that Francis Piven, Jimmy Carter and Bill Ayers are still alive.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:27:35pm |
re: #333 darthstar
Newt failed to satisfy that desire.
None of the four tonight really satisfied the blood lust of the tea partying GOP base.
It's just not the same without Perry at these shindigs.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:28:44pm |
re: #389 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I gotta say, I feel sorry for the Muslim Republican guy who asked a question tonight. Don't think he's ever gonna get that bus tire tread mark off his face.
No kidding.
None of the candidates restated the US policy (by GWB and Obama) that the US formally supports a two-state solution.
These tea partying candidates just couldn't bring themselves out of the pander-to-Evangelical mode.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:29:50pm |
re: #390 Killgore Trout
Yeah! Because one comment and four updings totally means that the whole site has gone radical left.
///
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:30:15pm |
re: #390 Killgore Trout
Heh. Who says LGF hasn't gone radical left? 4 updings. Nice. Take heart that Francis Piven, Jimmy Carter and Bill Ayers are still alive.
Ya know, I'd far rather we had more like Mike Harrington (The Other America, etc) than ol' Alinsky but just because you still don't have a clue, I think I'll go back and give CD another upding. (dude, DF gave that an upding... not a usual radical left suspect, eh?"
"When will they ever learn?"
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justaminute Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:30:36pm |
I know threw my son that military pilots will all apply to NASA for jobs but they are more excited about what Virgin Atlantic is shooting for. Take off from LA, leave the atmosphere and land in London within 2 hours.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:30:37pm |
re: #388 SanFranciscoZionist
I wrote that.
And then I hit send.
And then I thought about it.
And then I couldn't think of a way to make it any better.
And the day was mine.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:30:48pm |
re: #390 Killgore Trout
Thanks for quoting that, I missed it on my first run through the comments
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:31:48pm |
re: #396 justaminute
I think Virgin plans to run out of New Mexico
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:34:00pm |
re: #390 Killgore Trout
Heh. Who says LGF hasn't gone radical left? 4 updings. Nice. Take heart that Francis Piven, Jimmy Carter and Bill Ayers are still alive.
I think CD means that Alinsky at least believed in action, rather than just posing, as CD seeing the presidential candidates doing
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:34:03pm |
re: #396 justaminute
I know threw my son that military pilots will all apply to NASA for jobs but they are more excited about what Virgin Atlantic is shooting for. Take off from LA, leave the atmosphere and land in London within 2 hours.
I hope to be around long enough to see the 2 hours LA to Sidney AU run.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:34:57pm |
re: #400 Dark_Falcon
I think CD means that Alinsky at least believed in action, rather than just posing, as CD seeing the presidential candidates doing
You're wasting your time. The Alinsky reference was clearly an endorsement of OWS. Didn't you know that?
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justaminute Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:34:58pm |
re: #399 SpaceJesus
I think Virgin plans to run out of New Mexico
Oklahoma has tried for that too. But that plans seems more workable than what Gingrich is suggesting.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:40:09pm |
re: #402 Lidane
You're wasting your time. The Alinsky reference was clearly an endorsement of OWS. Didn't you know that?
No, I did not know that. That hardly makes sense, given how much of OWS is just posing as well. Alinsky would have castigated OWS for not being goal oriented.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:40:39pm |
re: #390 Killgore Trout
Heh. Who says LGF hasn't gone radical left? 4 updings. Nice. Take heart that Francis Piven, Jimmy Carter and Bill Ayers are still alive.
Saul Alinsky took on slum lords, corrupt union bosses and other assorted nasty folks who needed to be publicly humiliated with picket signs and civil actions. Mitt Romney's Dad actually said people in the GOP needed to listen to him...
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:40:53pm |
Manned spaceflight has never been approached as "profitable". It has always been a national pride sort of thing.
Virgin Atlantic is hoping that the World's rich, assuming developing nations continue to develop rapidly enough, will be willing to pay for very expensive joy rides.
It's a luxury vanity product.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:41:53pm |
re: #404 Dark_Falcon
No, I did not know that. That hardly makes sense, given how much of OWS is just posing as well. Alinsky would have castigated OWS for not being goal oriented.
True.
Alinsky was all about staying on message. He would not have had patience for the self indulgent drum circles and Che flags.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:42:27pm |
re: #404 Dark_Falcon
No, I did not know that. That hardly makes sense, given how much of OWS is just posing as well. Alinsky would have castigated OWS for not being goal oriented.
Doesn't matter. If Alinsky gets approval, then clearly this is a moonbat site that loves OWS and Marxism. Or something.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:43:53pm |
re: #405 celticdragon
Saul Alinsky took on slum lords, corrupt union bosses and other assorted nasty folks who needed to be publicly humiliated with picket signs and civil actions. Mitt Romney's Dad actually said people in the GOP needed to listen to him...
Now, now. Don't be bothering KT with facts about OWS. If it isn't about "assault with intent to commit grievous bodily injury" to hippies, he doesn't want to hear it.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:44:03pm |
re: #405 celticdragon
Saul Alinsky took on slum lords, corrupt union bosses and other assorted nasty folks who needed to be publicly humiliated with picket signs and civil actions. Mitt Romney's Dad actually said people in the GOP needed to listen to him...
When you start embracing the caricature the opposition smears you as it's a sign you've gone too far.
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:44:56pm |
re: #408 Lidane
Seems like he was pretty reasonable, based on this:
"One of the most important things in life is what judge Learned Hand described as "that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're right." If you don't have that, if you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide. The great atomic physicist Niels Bohr summed it up pretty well when he said, "Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question." Nobody owns the truth, and dogma, whatever form it takes, is the ultimate enemy of human freedom."[Link: www.forestcouncil.org...]
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:46:06pm |
re: #410 Killgore Trout
When you start embracing the caricature the opposition smears you as it's a sign you've gone too far.
?????
May also be a sign that the opposition believes their own cant a little too much in their self contained universe.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:46:53pm |
re: #407 celticdragon
True.
Alinsky was all about staying on message. He would not have had patience for the self indulgent drum circles and Che flags.
Just so. Alinsky was indeed quite far to the left and he was comfortable being called a 'radical', but he was primarily concerned with getting things done, not striking poses. He got his pride from achievement, instead of looking for attention to boost his ego. But that last trait is called "maturity" and it is a trait grown rarer nowadays, as witness Paris Hilton (to bring the discuss full circle).
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:46:55pm |
re: #406 freetoken
Manned spaceflight has never been approached as "profitable". It has always been a national pride sort of thing.
Virgin Atlantic is hoping that the World's rich, assuming developing nations continue to develop rapidly enough, will be willing to pay for very expensive joy rides.
It's a luxury vanity product.
Very much so at the moment. Whether Newt wishes to acknowledge it or not, the private sector has no interest in space so long as there's no profit in it. And right now, the only profit seen in it is taking rich folks up for a few minutes of weightlessness.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:47:23pm |
re: #410 Killgore Trout
When you start embracing the caricature the opposition smears you as it's a sign you've gone too far.
Ayers is a stereotype. Alinsky...Alinsky is mostly a long-forgotten guy who suffered a strange resurrection thanks to the Tea Party, and is now read mostly by his political foes, in a desperate attempt to--something.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:47:42pm |
re: #415 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Very much so at the moment. Whether Newt wishes to acknowledge it or not, the private sector has no interest in space so long as there's no profit in it. And right now, the only profit seen in it is taking rich folks up for a few minutes of weightlessness.
The problem is more longterm profit vs shortterm profit.
Our current system is kind of designed to sell out the former for the latter.
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recusancy Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:48:44pm |
re: #410 Killgore Trout
When you start embracing the caricature the opposition smears you as it's a sign you've gone too far.
When you start seeing things and reading into things that aren't there, it's a sign you've gone too far.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:49:33pm |
re: #410 Killgore Trout
When you start embracing the caricature the opposition smears you as it's a sign you've gone too far.
That you believe people should be fearful of deceptive association with meaningless caricatures when discussing reality says a lot about the superficiality of your thought process.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:49:56pm |
re: #417 windsagio
The problem is more longterm profit vs shortterm profit.
Our current system is kind of designed to sell out the former for the latter.
Exactly. There's plenty of opportunities up there, particularly in methods of manufacture that involve microgravity, as well as the potential for He3 mining on the Moon to support fusion energy here on Earth.
But all that is a decade or more of work before you start showing profit, something most companies these days just aren't going to put up with. Only the government is going to make it work, and you can't do that by cutting taxes.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:50:02pm |
re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist
Ayers is a stereotype. Alinsky...Alinsky is mostly a long-forgotten guy who suffered a strange resurrection thanks to the Tea Party, and is now read mostly by his political foes, in a desperate attempt to--something.
The only reason Alinsky ever got any notice is because the Tea Party are the same old farts who either were or who fought against the hippies back in the 1960's. They knew Alinsky because they heard about him 50+ years ago.
Nobody under 75 gives a damn about Saul Alinsky or even knows who he is.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:50:37pm |
re: #406 freetoken
Manned spaceflight has never been approached as "profitable". It has always been a national pride sort of thing.
Virgin Atlantic is hoping that the World's rich, assuming developing nations continue to develop rapidly enough, will be willing to pay for very expensive joy rides.
It's a luxury vanity product.
So was air travel in the beginning; now we take it for granted sometimes.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:51:36pm |
re: #410 Killgore Trout
When you start embracing the caricature the opposition smears you as it's a sign you've gone too far.
Saul Who?
Really, I had never heard of the guy until 2008. And I'm a whack job Liberal, older than Obama, well read, and pretty much aware of the Zeitgeist. Not on my radar.
The idea that this guy is guiding the Prexy's thoughts is just odd.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:52:14pm |
re: #422 talon_262
So was air travel in the beginning; now we take it for granted sometimes.
Even there, much of the advances were government financed in some way. Ask Boeing and Lockheed how much their commercial ventures relied upon selling military versions of their planes to the Air Corps/Air Force.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:52:27pm |
re: #414 Dark_Falcon
Just so. Alinsky was indeed quite far to the left and he was comfortable being called a 'radical', but he was primarily concerned with getting things done, not striking poses. He got his pride from achievement, instead of looking for attention to boost his ego. But that last trait is called "maturity" and it is a trait grown rarer nowadays, as witness Paris Hilton (to bring the discuss full circle).
This.
I will not say at all that I would agree with the man on every policy position, whatever they may be. I do believe that he was a force for good on integration and getting better living and working conditions for poor and minrotiy Americans.
He challenged wealth and privilege, which is why establishment types like Gingrich loathe him.
The story on his action at Chicago O'Hare airport cracked me up.
The city was expanding the airport and contracted with unions that forbade black membership. Alinsky organized black folks to go into every bathroom in the airport (they were all pay bathrooms at the time) with a dime, a lunch and a book and lock up every stall.
The city caved in by nightfall.
That is ten kinds of awesome.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:52:59pm |
re: #421 Lidane
Nobody under 75 gives a damn about Saul Alinsky or even knows who he is.
Weirdly, this is no longer true--the old farts have passed on the Fear of Alinsky to the next generation.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:53:20pm |
Ayers, Alinsky, Newt, Miittens, commies, neocons, the big bad wolf, the monster under the bed. I have rarely seen a more colorful display of raw partisanship. I may never associate with a party again. It's all gone caricature.
(No offense to present company intended, I speak to the larger sad spectacle)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:53:35pm |
re: #408 Lidane
Doesn't matter. If Alinsky gets approval, then clearly this is a moonbat site that loves OWS and Marxism. Or something.
It matters to me. I'm interested in Saul Alinsky and his beliefs and actions, not the ALINSKY!!1 of legend. To reduce the other side to a charactercher is a fool's act, and I've been foolish often enough.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:53:43pm |
re: #348 Dark_Falcon
Yep, but he parlayed that into his own success. He didn't just live off of daddy's money.
Once you're a CEO it seems like it doesn't mater how well or how poorly you do, you seem to get a huge amount of money as you leave the company either way.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:54:06pm |
re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist
Weirdly, this is no longer true--the old farts have passed on the Fear of Alinsky to the next generation.
They had to find some way of making Vietnam and the 1960's relevant when the POTUS was in grade school at the time.
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Shvaughn Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:54:11pm |
The right-wingers have latched onto the idea that Saul Alinsky (oh no, a RADICAL!) is behind the rise of the left and our evil soshulist President.
So they make big noises about what an awful demonic man he is.
And the Left (by which we mean, these days, anyone who is in opposition to the Right), who doesn't know much about him (mostly because we are not mobilized/organized in the way that the Right is) -- we go "huh, who?"
And look him, and find out that he was actually a pretty cool dude and hey, maybe we SHOULD read his book.
The Right Wing is making a lot of money in book sales for Saul's heirs.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:54:43pm |
re: #422 talon_262
So was air travel in the beginning; now we take it for granted sometimes.
Air travel by onsies and twosies was a hobby thing... Later, it is true, the early commercial flights depended upon the rich.
The big difference, and it is big, is the amount of energy it takes to go from A to B as one increases altitude. The gravity well of the Earth, while puny by cosmic standards, is too costly for us small organic units. It's just too big.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:54:48pm |
re: #427 Rightwingconspirator
You should be loyal to ideas, not organizations.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:54:50pm |
re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist
Weirdly, this is no longer true--the old farts have passed on the Fear of Alinsky to the next generation.
Yeah, but the next generation is on their way to the retirement home as well, while the younger generations like myself either never heard of Alinsky or are looking to him to help organize our own political revolutions. That's what scares the shit out of guys like Newt, that after years of his generation fighting the establishment, they've become the establishment that today's kids are fighting against.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:54:58pm |
re: #428 Dark_Falcon
It matters to me. I'm interested in Saul Alinsky and his beliefs and actions, not the ALINSKY!!1 of legend. To reduce the other side to a charactercher is a fool's act, and I've been foolish often enough.
I understand that. Tell it to KT, who turned a simple comment about Alinsky into an indictment of this entire site.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:55:08pm |
re: #421 Lidane
The only reason Alinsky ever got any notice is because the Tea Party are the same old farts who either were or who fought against the hippies back in the 1960's. They knew Alinsky because they heard about him 50+ years ago.
Nobody under 75 gives a damn about Saul Alinsky or even knows who he is.
Well, I'd say not quite as I read him years ago and am still under 50. But there are a whole lot of people whom I respect far more than Mr. Alinsky. I've mentioned Mike Harrington a few times and I'll keep mentioning him. He's the kind of leftist we need today to get anywhere decent tomorrow.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:56:15pm |
I'll note the super-sonic air travel fell on its face, even with subsidies and big fan fare.
That too suffered from too many limitations.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:56:41pm |
re: #432 freetoken
you forgot to mention the terrible secret of space
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:56:42pm |
Is Killgore be trollin
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:57:54pm |
re: #437 freetoken
I'll note the super-sonic air travel fell on its face, even with subsidies and big fan fare.
That too suffered from too many limitations.
Also from engineering problems with the landing gear. The massively fatal wreck at the Paris Airport was not the first major landing gear failure the Concorde had.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:58:00pm |
re: #433 EmmmieG
You'd think. That is why indies are so very numerous. The parties failed the very purpose you cite.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:58:02pm |
re: #422 talon_262
So was air travel in the beginning; now we take it for granted sometimes.
This. +1000 this.
If you ever get a chance, pick up an old copy of "Fate is the Hunter" by Ernest K. Gann. In the beginning is a long list of dual initials - that of a pilot and the airline he flew for. Everyone of them died in an airliner crash. We paid a heavy price to get to grandma's in a safe sardine can.
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:58:24pm |
re: #437 freetoken
I'll note the super-sonic air travel fell on its face, even with subsidies and big fan fare.
That too suffered from too many limitations.
That's because cities the world over have laws on the books banning overflights of cities by supersonic aircraft. There's been work on eliminating sonic booms from supersonic aircraft, but no workable commercial design. The best we can manage right now is high subsonic bordering on transonic, but the fuel costs are a deal breaker.
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Shvaughn Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:59:09pm |
"Rules for Radicals" is like the #240 book (overall) on Amazon.
Maybe we should have an LGF book club and read it sometime, just sayin'.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:59:29pm |
Good night, scaly friends...and that means you too, Kilgore.
I still luvs ya. :)
I have had some major back pain issues again this week and I cannot sit at the computer for very long. See you all tomorrow.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 7:59:41pm |
re: #438 SpaceJesus
you forgot to mention the terrible secret of space
A) Republicans are not allowed?
B) The Universe really is a set of concentric spheres?
C) Anunaki won't let us?
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:00:37pm |
re: #428 Dark_Falcon
It matters to me. I'm interested in Saul Alinsky and his beliefs and actions, not the ALINSKY!!1 of legend. To reduce the other side to a charactercher is a fool's act, and I've been foolish often enough.
We often disagree DF, but that is a good summation of why I respect your opinions.
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celticdragon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:01:08pm |
re: #446 Shvaughn
"Rules for Radicals" is like the #240 book (overall) on Amazon.
Maybe we should have an LGF book club and read it sometime, just sayin'.
It's a snore, I understand...but has good advice for social organizing. The religious right actually followed a lot of his suggestions.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:01:20pm |
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Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:01:27pm |
re: #440 BigPapa
Glenn Beck was where I first heard of Alinsky.
Same here. Back in the 90's, I shared an apartment with three other people, and they were all sage-smudge burning, drum circle-loving, wannabe vegan pagan hippie types. None of them ever talked about Saul Alinsky. I'd never even heard of him until the Teabaggers started yammering about him.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:01:41pm |
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:02:26pm |
re: #438 SpaceJesus
you forgot to mention the terrible secret of space
"No one can hear you scream"?
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:02:45pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:03:23pm |
I miss swinging a clue by four.
Not necessarily for tonight, just generally.
Duck, peeps.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:03:40pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:04:30pm |
do you have stairs in your house
(it's still funny, 12 years later)
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:07:26pm |
re: #459 WindUpBird
do you have stairs in your house
(it's still funny, 12 years later)
I am protected
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:07:36pm |
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Kronocide Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:07:44pm |
Whisky Tango Foxtrot.
Newt Gingrich promises to build a moon colony by 2020; make it a U.S. state
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Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:09:08pm |
re: #463 BigPapa
Whisky Tango Foxtrot.
Newt Gingrich promises to build a moon colony by 2020; make it a U.S. state
So much for that "Came in peace for all mankind" BS, huh?
//
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:09:23pm |
re: #463 BigPapa
Whisky Tango Foxtrot.
Newt Gingrich promises to build a moon colony by 2020; make it a U.S. state
No black people or hispanics allowed on the republican moon
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:09:47pm |
Not in the Onion (sigh...):
Radical theory explains the origin, evolution, and nature of life, challenges conventional wisdom
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Digital Display Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:09:57pm |
I missed the debate..CNN is replaying it right now..
What do you call it when you live blog a replayed event?
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:09:57pm |
re: #459 WindUpBird
do you have stairs in your house
(it's still funny, 12 years later)
Ok, thank guh for the first definition at Urban Dictionary :D
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SpaceJesus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:10:22pm |
re: #462 WindUpBird
yup. i remember surfing SA during high school computer science class.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:11:09pm |
re: #468 HoosierHoops
I missed the debate..CNN is replaying it right now..
What do you call it when you live blog a replayed event?
RON PAUL!
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Kronocide Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:11:19pm |
re: #466 WindUpBird
No black people or hispanics allowed on the republican moon
Immigration should not be a problem!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:12:05pm |
re: #434 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yeah, but the next generation is on their way to the retirement home as well, while the younger generations like myself either never heard of Alinsky or are looking to him to help organize our own political revolutions. That's what scares the shit out of guys like Newt, that after years of his generation fighting the establishment, they've become the establishment that today's kids are fighting against.
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - The Dark Knight
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:12:42pm |
re: #473 BigPapa
Immigration should not be a problem!
sadly I cannot find an image of 'honky trek: The white flight' on google.
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:12:44pm |
re: #414 Dark_Falcon
Speaking of getting things done, I've seen that Bangladesh is now passing India in several non-military regards.
Considering Bangladesh got the short end of the stick since Independence, and that it got the suck card in Geography, that is amazing.
And I did see the news about the Pakistan Supported Coup attempt.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:14:01pm |
re: #470 SpaceJesus
yup. i remember surfing SA during high school computer science class.
I was living in my house of geeks (with windsagio!) in Maple Valley, WA during the times of the great SA ICQ pranks
I remember right after I moved to Portland in 2000-ish, I went to the Ground Kontrol arcade and struck up a conversation with the guy behind the counter, who I discovered was one of the two Bad Candy website guys. SO STRANGE, THESE INTERNETS
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:14:50pm |
re: #474 Dark_Falcon
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - The Dark Knight
Frank Miller's a pretty hardcore nutcase. Probably why he was able to nail Batman so utterly and totally. Pure Nadia Comăneci level 10.0.
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funky chicken Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:15:31pm |
re: #300 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I prefer a 500K line of credit with Tiffany's myself.
Damn straight. Actually, I'd just like the free $500K line of credit at a bank. I'm not really into jewelry.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:15:49pm |
re: #474 Dark_Falcon
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." -
The Dark KnightGeorge Lucas
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:16:08pm |
re: #456 Varek Raith
MEEE!!!
Yeah. In Revenge of the Sith, we find out that both the Pusher Robot and the Shover Robot were constructed to wage a "show war" and ensure Palpatine became Emperor.
If that's not true yet, just wait till the edit George Lucas puts in when the movie comes out in 3D.
/I wish I was kidding.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:16:15pm |
re: #477 WindUpBird
I was living in my house of geeks (with windsagio!) in Maple Valley, WA during the times of the great SA ICQ pranks
I remember right after I moved to Portland in 2000-ish, I went to the Ground Kontrol arcade and struck up a conversation with the guy behind the counter, who I discovered was one of the two Bad Candy website guys. SO STRANGE, THESE INTERNETS
Now look at you.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:16:31pm |
re: #478 wlewisiii
Frank Miller's a pretty hardcore nutcase. Probably why he was able to nail Batman so utterly and totally. Pure Nadia Comăneci level 10.0.
Great art is often made by crazy people :D
see: appetite for destruction
see: starry night
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:17:10pm |
re: #483 WindUpBird
Especially great comics.
The only one who I can think of who wasn't totally insane was Kirby.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:17:13pm |
re: #482 negativ
Now look at you.
I went from using the internet for fun to using it for fun and profit
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Shvaughn Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:17:23pm |
Mitt Romney said at the Republican presidential debate in Jacksonville, Florida, on Thursday night that he was not "terribly politically involved" until he ran for governor of Massachusetts in 2002.That statement, of course, omits his failed run for the U.S. Senate against Ted Kennedy in 1994.
He'll say anything to get elected.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:17:32pm |
re: #484 windsagio
Especially great comics.
The only one who I can think of who wasn't totally insane was Kirby.
Dave McKean is perfectly sane :D
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:17:34pm |
re: #481 Dark_Falcon
Yeah. In Revenge of the Sith, we find out that both the Pusher Robot and the Shover Robot were constructed to wage a "show war" and ensure Palpatine became Emperor.
If that's not true yet, just wait the edit George Lucas puts in when the movie comes out in 3D.
/I wish I was kidding.
I think the re-edits with Samuel L Jackson will be worth.
"There are too many Sith on this mother fucking planet!"
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:17:50pm |
re: #483 WindUpBird
Great art is often made by crazy people :D
see: appetite for destruction
see: starry night
about that, I read somewhere that Monet destroyed a lot of his paintings after he got some vision correctoin, true?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:18:04pm |
re: #476 ProLifeLiberal
Speaking of getting things done, I've seen that Bangladesh is now passing India in several non-military regards.
Considering Bangladesh got the short end of the stick since Independence, and that it got the suck card in Geography, that is amazing.
And I did see the news about the Pakistan Supported Coup attempt.
Thanks. I'd been meaning to talk to you about that article on Tuesday night, but my PC had some serious problems and I couldn't get online before I had to go to bed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:18:11pm |
re: #484 windsagio
Especially great comics.
The only one who I can think of who wasn't totally insane was Kirby.
Grant Morrison is my current favorite comic personality, occult genius madman
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Gus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:18:19pm |
A little late here but reading quickly about Alinsky I've come to learn that George Romney said "we should listen to him." Dick Armey of Freedomworks hands out copies of "Rules for Radicals" to all the new Tea Party leaders. William F. Buckley called him an "organizational genius." Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's senior honor thesis was on Alinsky. He was not a socialist and never joined organization. When he was asked to join the Communist Party he replied:
Not at any time. I've never joined any organization—not even the ones I've organized myself. I prize my own independence too much. And philosophically, I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it's Christianity or Marxism. One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're right.' If you don't have that, if you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:18:21pm |
re: #487 WindUpBird
Dave McKean is perfectly sane :D
I'm sorry he is NOT a comics artist.
And I should say plenty of TALENTED people, but the standouts are all nuts.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:18:24pm |
re: #489 windsagio
about that, I read somewhere that Monet destroyed a lot of his paintings after he got some vision correctoin, true?
No idea!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:18:49pm |
re: #493 windsagio
I'm sorry he is NOT a comics artist.
And I should say plenty of TALENTED people, but the standouts are all nuts.
He is an artist who's done a ton of comics!
But he's not a guy who only does comics, that is true
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:18:53pm |
re: #489 windsagio
about that, I read somewhere that Monet destroyed a lot of his paintings after he got some vision correctoin, true?
I destroyed my vision correction after I got some Thomas Kincade paintings.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:19:06pm |
re: #493 windsagio
I'm sorry he is NOT a comics artist.
And I should say plenty of TALENTED people, but the standouts are all nuts.
Rob Liefeld is sane!
he's a hack, but he's perfectly sane
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:19:12pm |
re: #481 Dark_Falcon
Yeah. In Revenge of the Sith, we find out that both the Pusher Robot and the Shover Robot were constructed to wage a "show war" and ensure Palpatine became Emperor.
If that's not true yet, just wait the edit George Lucas puts in when the movie comes out in 3D.
/I wish I was kidding.
Shudder. I wish I could say I didn't believe it possible. Ick.
(DAMN IT, HAN SHOT FIRST!!!!!)
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jaunte Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:19:22pm |
re: #488 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"Say 'meesa' again. Say 'meesa' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say 'meesa' one more goddamn time!"
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Gus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:19:26pm |
Saw a quick doc on him once and he was also very conservative in style and demeanor. A man of his time.
| 501 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:20:32pm |
The older I get, the less interesting star wars is and the more interesting Ian Curtis is
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:20:40pm |
re: #497 WindUpBird
Rob Liefeld is sane!
he's a hack, but he's perfectly sane
now you're just being mean :p
Millar? Nutso
Moore? Nutso
Ditko? Triple Nutso
Crumb? Has issues (lol)
Howarth? Hard to tell due to the drugs
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:20:55pm |
re: #502 Gus 802
Some people still call Martin Luther King a radical.
he's backed by the communists!
| 505 |
Gus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:21:09pm |
re: #501 WindUpBird
The older I get, the less interesting star wars is and the more interesting Ian Curtis is
I never watched Star Wars. Just couldn't do it.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:21:29pm |
re: #501 WindUpBird
The older I get, the less interesting star wars is and the more interesting Ian Curtis is
A good rule for Star wars is its more interesting the less you take it seriously
| 507 |
Gus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:21:35pm |
re: #504 windsagio
he's backed by the communists!
Well yeah. Communists did a lot of civil rights work in the USA.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:22:08pm |
re: #499 jaunte
"Say 'meesa' again. Say 'meesa' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say 'meesa' one more goddamn time!"
"What" ain't no planet I've ever heard of. They speak Galactic Common on What?"
| 509 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:22:31pm |
its funny, kind of related, WUB and I were talking earlier about how Ricardo montablan is the real star of the "KHAAAAN!" scene.
| 510 |
Gus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:22:33pm |
That's what spawned the Whites Citizens' Councils that later became the Citizen's Council. The anti-Communists.
| 511 |
Gus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:23:00pm |
The anti-Communists in the USA were more motivated by race and not really as much by the Soviets.
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:23:28pm |
re: #490 Dark_Falcon
I see no reason to doubt Pakistani Influence in this. They want to threaten India, so getting rid of a relatively popular government that is attempting reapproachment with India would be a goal of theirs.
What worries me more is the Saudi Influence mentioned in that Article.
Good news though-Apparently 3 nations are getting very tired of Pakistan. US cables from the leak a while back paint this picture:
According to the WikiLeaks cable, in a briefing given by Ahmad Shuja Pasha to the parliamentarians it was also told that India, UAE and Russia were involved in the insurgency in Balochistan. Pasha said India has established nine training camps along the Afghan border, where they are training members of the Baloch Liberation Army. He also claimed "India and the UAE (reportedly due to opposition to construction of the Gwadar port) were funding and arming the Baloch. Pasha also claimed that the Russian government was directly involved in funding/training/supporting the insurgency.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:24:06pm |
re: #506 windsagio
A good rule for Star wars is its more interesting the less you take it seriously
Or play the RPG with a bunch of stoners.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:24:33pm |
re: #511 Gus 802
The anti-Communists in the USA were more motivated by race and not really as much by the Soviets.
Well it all kind of goes together.
I should note that OWS is also apparently backed by the communists.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:25:02pm |
re: #513 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Or play the RPG with a bunch of stoners.
if you can take it seriously in that context, you have my eternal respect and admiration :D
| 516 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:25:46pm |
re: #505 Gus 802
I never watched Star Wars. Just couldn't do it.
I saw it at 12 years old the week before the big Newsweek and Time stories made everyone want to see it. To be 12 and see the best damn fantasy you can imagine (even a kiss from the princess for the hero!) is just about as good as life can get.
| 517 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:26:35pm |
re: #511 Gus 802
The anti-Communists in the USA were more motivated by race and not really as much by the Soviets.
"Communism"/"Socialism" is like "Terrorism" is now, an excuse by many to attack things that they disagree with as being "anti-American." Hoover spent years trying to prove that Dr. King was a communist stooge.
| 518 |
Gus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:27:16pm |
re: #516 wlewisiii
I saw it at 12 years old the week before the big Newsweek and Time stories made everyone want to see it. To be 12 and see the best damn fantasy you can imagine (even a kiss from the princess for the hero!) is just about as good as life can get.
That's cool. I was typically in the minority about Star Wars. But it was popular.
| 519 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:27:35pm |
re: #501 WindUpBird
The older I get, the less interesting star wars is and the more interesting Ian Curtis is
Asylums with doors open wide
Where people had paid to see inside
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'i still exist.'
possibly not about Darth Vader
| 520 |
Gus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:28:05pm |
re: #517 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Communism"/"Socialism" is like "Terrorism" is now, an excuse by many to attack things that they disagree with as being "anti-American." Hoover spent years trying to prove that Dr. King was a communist stooge.
A Red scourge is taking over America!
[Sound of woman screaming!]
| 521 |
Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:28:35pm |
re: #515 windsagio
if you can take it seriously in that context, you have my eternal respect and admiration :D
RPGs: Serious business.
We had a paranoid Corellian smuggler, an alcoholic failed jedi navigator, an 8' tall humanoid bear Merc (because Droids cost too much), and a former Rebel Medtech who was running from his old CO because his daughter looked 18.
| 522 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:28:53pm |
re: #513 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Or play the RPG with a bunch of stoners.
Greg Costikyan is a god of RPG design.
| 523 |
Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:28:54pm |
re: #513 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Or play the RPG with a bunch of stoners.
Or play the MMO with a bunch of people who quote Spaceballs while they play. :D
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:29:02pm |
re: #478 wlewisiii
Frank Miller's a pretty hardcore nutcase. Probably why he was able to nail Batman so utterly and totally. Pure Nadia Comăneci level 10.0.
Umm... That's "The Dark Knight Returns" (the comic book that Miller wrote) "The Dark Knight" was Christopher Nolan and I don't think Frank Miller was directly involved in the movie in any real way....
| 525 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:29:18pm |
re: #505 Gus 802
I never watched Star Wars. Just couldn't do it.
I grew up on Star Trek, the Next Generation particularly. Needed my science fiction to be a bit more...well, scientific.
| 526 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:29:46pm |
| 527 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:29:58pm |
re: #523 Lidane
Or play the MMO with a bunch of people who quote Spaceballs while they play. :D
"No sir, I didn't see you playing with your dolls!"
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windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:30:10pm |
re: #525 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I grew up on Star Trek, the Next Generation particularly. Needed my science fiction to be a bit more...well, scientific.
I can totally go back in my head to a place before the remasters/prequels ruined everything.
It's a handy skill to have sometimes >
| 529 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:30:19pm |
re: #522 wlewisiii
Greg Costikyan is a god of RPG design.
A shame Manifesto Games didn't succeed, he was on the right track
| 530 |
Gus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:30:35pm |
re: #517 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Communism"/"Socialism" is like "Terrorism" is now, an excuse by many to attack things that they disagree with as being "anti-American." Hoover spent years trying to prove that Dr. King was a communist stooge.
It's interesting because Communism and socialism was noticeably popular in the USA. Especially within populist labor movements. There's no denying that they were there -- the Communists and socialists. The enemies tried to paint them as spies and typically emphasized conspiracies about their connections to the KGB and the Kremlin.
| 531 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:32:16pm |
re: #522 wlewisiii
Greg Costikyan is a god of RPG design.
I'm sorry, the only RPG designers that count are Steve Jackson and Jonathan Tweet.
| 532 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:32:27pm |
re: #528 windsagio
I can totally go back in my head to a place before the remasters/prequels ruined everything.
It's a handy skill to have sometimes >
I think that's one of the handy things about Trek vs. Wars. In Trek, after the first two seasons of Next Generation, the studio realized they weren't going to be able to do anything really interesting so long as he was at the helm, so they labeled him "executive producer" and robbed him of creative control of the franchise.
Meanwhile, Lucas is still going strong with the Clone Wars business and has hinted on more than one occasion that he's reconsidering his earlier statements not to do more movies.
| 533 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:33:04pm |
re: #528 windsagio
I can totally go back in my head to a place before the remasters/prequels ruined everything.
It's a handy skill to have sometimes >
QFT.
I am still furious at the guy who stole my VHS tapes of the original unmolested versions of the first trilogy.
| 534 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:33:07pm |
re: #524 jamesfirecat
Umm... That's "The Dark Knight Returns" "The Dark Knight" was Christopher Nolan and I don't think Frank Miller was directly involved in the movie in any real way...
The Christopher Nolan films seem to be drawn mostly from Batman Year One (which was Frank Miller) and The Killing Joke (which was Allan Moore).
| 535 |
Lidane Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:33:12pm |
re: #527 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"No sir, I didn't see you playing with your dolls!"
This was all I kept seeing in chat on Tattooine:
| 536 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:33:41pm |
re: #531 windsagio
I'm sorry, the only RPG designers that count are Steve Jackson and Jonathan Tweet.
Tweet is also a golden god
| 537 |
Gus Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:33:53pm |
re: #525 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I grew up on Star Trek, the Next Generation particularly. Needed my science fiction to be a bit more...well, scientific.
My first was seeing 2001: ASO when it first came out. I was just a child. We even had a book and brochure that was released for the movie. I think my grandfather might have gotten that. It was either at a Manhattan theater or Brooklyn. CinemaScope.
| 538 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:34:28pm |
re: #535 Lidane
This was all I kept seeing in chat on Tattooine:
[Video]
Hence why I'm still not sold on playing SWTOR. I've been sort of turned off in recent years by multiplayer games which seem to be in serious need of a smacktard fumigation.
| 540 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:34:53pm |
re: #536 WindUpBird
Tweet is also a golden god
That's probably my most favorite published RPG setting ever.
Jackson's an ass, but he also built the only ruleset I can stomach so... >
| 541 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:35:12pm |
re: #531 windsagio
(sound of retching in background)
(wipes mouth)
I'm sorry, did you say something?
//
But then, I like John Wick too.
| 542 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:35:20pm |
re: #537 Gus 802
My first was seeing 2001: ASO when it first came out. I was just a child. We even had a book and brochure that was released for the movie. I think my grandfather might have gotten that. It was either at a Manhattan theater or Brooklyn. CinemaScope.
Good movie, particularly now in the DVD era, where you can pause it to take a whiz without missing a single second of the thrilling action.
| 543 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:35:24pm |
re: #533 wlewisiii
QFT.
I am still furious at the guy who stole my VHS tapes of the original unmolested versions of the first trilogy.
the laserdisc versions still exist!
also torrents :D
| 544 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:36:25pm |
re: #541 wlewisiii
(sound of retching in background)
(wipes mouth)
I'm sorry, did you say something?//
But then, I like John Wick too.
I think we might have a problem here.
| 545 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:36:52pm |
It's especially awesome and awful that Lucas went out of his way to annihilate all the 'unimproved' copies of those films.
| 546 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:37:27pm |
re: #534 negativ
The Christopher Nolan films seem to be drawn mostly from Batman Year One (which was Frank Miller) and The Killing Joke (which was Allan Moore).
True enough but Year One has the Batman that ends up in Returns. As a result, I'd say there is more of Miller in Nolan's portrayal than any other single writer.
| 547 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:37:43pm |
PS: Played some Vampire:the masquerade in my time (back when we were more gothy), that game is easily broken.
| 548 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:39:02pm |
re: #521 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
RPGs: Serious business.
We had a paranoid Corellian smuggler, an alcoholic failed jedi navigator, an 8' tall humanoid bear Merc (because Droids cost too much), and a former Rebel Medtech who was running from his old CO because his daughter looked 18.
Oh, indeed. Lots of gamers get very into their characters. Go to GenCon this August, and you'll get an eyeful of that immersion.
Though if had to pick another Lizard to send to GenCon, it would be a toss-up between Kragar and WUB. Kragar for the gaming, or WUB for the lutz.
| 549 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:39:38pm |
re: #547 windsagio
PS: Played some Vampire:the masquerade in my time (back when we were more gothy), that game is easily broken.
Yeah it is.
Hint play something with celerity, max out your dex and firearms/unarmed/melee weapons and dodge, and do as much to increase your celerity level as possible take several actions for every one your opponent does.
| 550 |
Olsonist Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:40:29pm |
| 551 |
windsagio Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:40:35pm |
re: #549 jamesfirecat
Yeah it is.
Hint play something with celerity, max out your dex and firearms/unarmed/melee weapons and dodge, and do as much to increase your celerity level as possible take several actions for every one your opponent does.
which is basically how you broke Shadowrun too, (old edition, never tried new)
| 552 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:41:27pm |
re: #547 windsagio
PS: Played some Vampire:the masquerade in my time (back when we were more gothy), that game is easily broken.
Never could stomach Vampire or the other "darkness' games (though I'll grant Changling some interesting ideas).
OTOH, I have always had a weak spot for Exalted.
| 553 |
Kragar Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:42:22pm |
re: #548 Dark_Falcon
Oh, indeed. Lots of gamers get very into their characters. Go to GenCon this August, and you'll get an eyeful of that immersion.
Though if had to pick another Lizard to send to GenCon, it would be a toss-up between Kragar and WUB. Kragar for the gaming, or WUB for the lutz.
If you do it right, the gaming is the lulz.
"What do you mean I can't take Weapon Specialization: Storm Trooper corpse?"
| 554 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:43:03pm |
re: #551 windsagio
which is basically how you broke Shadowrun too, (old edition, never tried new)
For new edition you want to play a gnome buy up your agility to max, because gnomes are pound for pound, more powerful than orcs and trolls.
Or whatever as my brother says the current Shadowrun rules are fractually fucked up, every part of them is just as broken as every other part of them.
| 555 |
Targetpractice Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:43:25pm |
re: #545 windsagio
It's especially awesome and awful that Lucas went out of his way to annihilate all the 'unimproved' copies of those films.
I keep holding out hope that, one of these days, the studios will finally say "No, George, enough. We will not pay to remaster the series for the billionth time. If you weren't that happy with it to begin with, why did you make it?!"
| 556 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:44:45pm |
re: #498 wlewisiii
Shudder. I wish I could say I didn't believe it possible. Ick.
(DAMN IT, HAN SHOT FIRST!!!)
Lucas forgot about the criminal aspects of Han Solo as time went on, and he seems to have lost sight of the idea that someone might have to kill without warning. So he bowdlerized the scene, whereas the original was a killshot Frankie Yale would have admired*.
*: 5 updings to whoever gets the reference. More updings than usual, because it's a harder one than usual.
| 557 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:46:30pm |
re: #554 jamesfirecat
For new edition you want to play a gnome buy up your agility to max, because gnomes are pound for pound, more powerful than orcs and trolls.
Or whatever as my brother says the current Shadowrun rules are fractually fucked up, every part of them is just as broken as every other part of them.
Sorry to hear that. Big Catalyst Game Labs fan here, though my favored game is Battletech.
| 559 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:51:00pm |
re: #556 Dark_Falcon
Lucas forgot about the criminal aspects of Han Solo as time went on, and he seems to have lost sight of the idea that someone might have to kill without warning. So he bowdlerized the scene, whereas the original was a killshot Frankie Yale would have admired*.
*: 5 updings to whoever gets the reference. More updings than usual, because it's a harder one than usual.
Yale? Wasn't he one of Capone's boys? (stretching the brain & trying hard to not google-cheat.)
| 560 |
jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:52:27pm |
re: #557 Dark_Falcon
Sorry to hear that. Big Catalyst Game Labs fan here, though my favored game is Battletech.
Its fractally fucked up but that doesn't mean it isn't fun to play. We're currently working our way through the third season of Shadow Run missions after I joined a group that had currently gotten all the way through the second season.
Our last run involved comforting the 15 year old daughter of a fixer who hired us then got killed.
And by "comforting" I mean we let her man the "ROFLCopter's" (our assault helicopter) minigun when we tracked down the guys who whacked her dad, because while we are horrible people, we're horrible people who have a soft spot for orphans.
| 561 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:07:57pm |
re: #558 Gus 802
The amazing B-52. Made to last 1,000 years.
[Video]
Are you kidding? 1000 years from now they'll talk about the B52 & the Saturn 5 in the same breath as equally impossible mythical monsters.... :(
| 562 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:10:01pm |
re: #559 wlewisiii
Yale? Wasn't he one of Capone's boys? (stretching the brain & trying hard to not google-cheat.)
He was actually one of Capone's mentors in crime, and a man who later betrayed Capone and was killed on Capone's orders. That much gets two updings.
| 563 |
William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:14:02pm |
re: #562 Dark_Falcon
He was actually one of Capone's mentors in crime, and a man who later betrayed Capone and was killed on Capone's orders. That much gets two updings.
Ok, yeah, I remember. Before he came to Chicago from the rotton Apple.
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