Thursday Night Acoustic Excellence: Punch Brothers: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

Just the best acoustic band in the universe, that’s all
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These NPR Tiny Desk Concerts highlight some of the best music in the world today, and this one is a real gem among gems.

Spoiler alert: The Punch Brothers came to the Tiny Desk on Chris Thile’s birthday. We made him a cake and gave him an NPR surprise! This wasn’t the first time the brilliant mandolinist had brought a project to my desk — it was his fourth. The last time was with his longtime band Nickel Creek, but also with his new braces. So the cake we presented here was inscribed “Brace Yourself Chris Happy Birthday.” He blew out the candles and then, along with this versatile and talented band, rocked our world.

Punch Brothers mixes the worlds of bluegrass, pop and classical. It’s a tough combination to imagine, an even harder one to make work, but this band of fiddler, Gabe Witcher, Noam Pikelny on banjo, guitarist Chris Eldridge and bassist Paul Kowert make the unimaginable contagious and fun. They push boundaries and make music like no one else.

Set List
• “My Oh My” 2:04
• “Boll Weevil” 6:23
• “Magnet” 10:36
• “Julep” 14:45

Credits
Producers: Bob Boilen, Maggie Starbard; Audio Engineer: Kevin Wait; Videographers: Morgan McCloy, Nick Michael, Maggie Starbard; Assistant Producer: Carlos Waters; photo by Carlos Waters/NPR

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473 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2015 6:44:13pm

Really enjoy these guys thanks. They were especially good in on the Inside Lllewyn Davis soundtrack concert.

2 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 19, 2015 6:45:33pm

I posted this during the day a few days ago but I think some Lizards may have missed it so I am showing again: my harp, my hands, playing a tune composed by one of the other local harpists.

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3 Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2015 6:48:09pm

re: #2 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I posted this during the day a few days ago but I think some Lizards may have missed it so I am showing again: my harp, my hands, playing a tune composed by one of the other local harpists.

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Glad you did. Flash has been bombing out, but it looks like it will play this time. Going for wine first.

4 #FergusonFireside  Mar 19, 2015 6:56:57pm

Must watch

5 HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2015 6:58:04pm

re: #4 #FergusonFireside

Must watch

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Can’t wait to hear the excuses on this. Simply inexcusable regardless of the circumstances.

6 #FergusonFireside  Mar 19, 2015 6:58:46pm

Please tell me you’ve watched the Tiny Desk winner?

npr.org

7 #FergusonFireside  Mar 19, 2015 6:59:30pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Can’t wait to hear the excuses on this. Simply inexcusable regardless of the circumstances.

ABC thugs trolling a college area on St. Paddy’s day. Pick the black kid.

8 HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2015 7:01:02pm

re: #7 #FergusonFireside

ABC thugs trolling a college area on St. Paddy’s day. Pick the black kid.

Of course. But I’m sure he’s a “thug” because ya know.

9 Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2015 7:01:57pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Of course. But I’m sure he’s a “thug” because ya know.

He’s making the fist-to-fist gang sign.

10 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 19, 2015 7:02:18pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Can’t wait to hear the excuses on this. Simply inexcusable regardless of the circumstances.

A real ID can still give you a paper cut! Be grateful they didn’t shoot him!

11 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 19, 2015 7:07:10pm

hard to lose when you got a first class string band with some hot mandolin and fiddle

12 #FergusonFireside  Mar 19, 2015 7:11:26pm

So my office is bidding a Sea World expansion project. I asked the salesperson haven’t you seen Blackfish? He laughed. $ over any moral feeling. sigh

13 #FergusonFireside  Mar 19, 2015 7:12:49pm

re: #12 #FergusonFireside

So my office is bidding a Sea World expansion project. I asked the salesperson haven’t you seen Blackfish? He laughed. $ over any moral feeling. sigh

I will be complicit. Because of the paycheck. damn it.

14 Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2015 7:14:36pm

re: #4 #FergusonFireside

Is CCJ on the case yet?

15 jaunte  Mar 19, 2015 7:15:20pm

re: #4 #FergusonFireside

I had to look up the law on ‘profane swearing.’

“If any person profanely curses or swears or is intoxicated in public, whether such intoxication results from alcohol, narcotic drug or other intoxicant or drug of whatever nature, he shall be deemed guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.”
vacode.org

I wonder if there’s a list of words, or if it’s just ‘I know it when I hear it.’

16 HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2015 7:15:37pm

re: #14 Skip Intro

Is CCJ on the case yet?

I’m sure he will be soon enough.

17 #FergusonFireside  Mar 19, 2015 7:15:45pm

re: #14 Skip Intro

Is CCJ on the case yet?

Prob, once he realizes people care. He’ll try to destroy all empathy.

18 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 19, 2015 7:16:13pm

I’m just drop this here. Have a good evening!
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19 HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2015 7:16:23pm

re: #15 jaunte

I had to look up the law on ‘profane swearing.’

I wonder if there’s a list of words, or if it’s just ‘I know it when I hear it.’

A pettiest of petty misdemeanors but that won’t stop people who love seeing black people brutalized to justify this.

20 jaunte  Mar 19, 2015 7:16:26pm

“Damn this vague law!”

21 #FergusonFireside  Mar 19, 2015 7:22:12pm

re: #18 The Mother Of All Pies

I’m just drop this here. Have a good evening!
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Video

I’m like GO Octi! Then crab gets crunched. Then the dance.

Nice.

22 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 19, 2015 7:25:27pm

I’m about done in for the evening. I’ll leave you with a few more pics from Curacao, where the lizards come in all shades, and even the birds start drinking early.

23 A Cranky One  Mar 19, 2015 7:32:11pm

re: #22 RealityBasedSteve

The early bird gets the booze.

24 #FergusonFireside  Mar 19, 2015 7:34:05pm

Ya’ll know a good online resume creator? I want a person & I’ll pay reasonable.

25 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 19, 2015 7:34:29pm

re: #24 #FergusonFireside

Ya’ll know a good online resume creator? I want a person & I’ll pay reasonable.

No, but if someone knows I’m also listening.

/sigh

26 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 7:37:24pm

re: #22 RealityBasedSteve

I’m jealous! I didn’t see any lizards when I was in Curaçao! Bum. Mer!

27 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 19, 2015 7:37:45pm

Are tankless water heaters worth the cost?

is dis de tanks i get?

28 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 7:38:37pm

re: #24 #FergusonFireside

Klys, you too.

I do resumes. If you want help let me know.

29 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 19, 2015 7:44:42pm

re: #28 WhatEVs

Klys, you too.

I do resumes. If you want help let me know.

I am probably gearing up in another week or two, once the program is done and ready to go on the Google Play store (I figure that won’t hurt as a portfolio piece). I am pretty sure I follow you on Twitter so I may ping you there?

30 Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2015 7:45:02pm

re: #27 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Are tankless water heaters worth the cost?

is dis de tanks i get?

We liked them overseas, looked at them here. The cost of running 220v to each bath killed it for us.

31 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 19, 2015 7:46:53pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

We liked them overseas, looked at them here. The cost of running 220v to each bath killed it for us.

You have to put one in each bathroom?

32 jaunte  Mar 19, 2015 7:48:34pm
33 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 7:49:35pm

re: #28 WhatEVs

FYI, this is my process:

You send me your rez, I read it and take notes.

We speak on the phone and you tell me what you did, what you accomplished, etc., in each prior role (basically answer all my questions). Had to be in the phone as it would take days upon days to exchange emails for me to get all the nuances, which are usually pretty important.

You tell me what type of job you are seeking.

I do my writing magic targeting, specifically what you did and relate it to what you want to do.

I’ll do both of you at no charge.

My track record is very good. My resume helped my old (kinda good for nothing) tenant a job, along with a friend I used to know.

Cavaet: I haven’t done one in a few years. But if you don’t like it, no loss of $$. If you do like it, tell others and I’ll charge.

p.s. I don’t believe in BSing on resumes. Flattering experience usually suffices.

34 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 19, 2015 7:49:43pm

re: #26 WhatEVs

I’m jealous! I didn’t see any lizards when I was in Curaçao! Bum. Mer!

Geeze, they were all over the resort, and we also saw them in Willemstad proper. (down at the market). Also saw lizards that weren’t iguanas, but only on the rare occasions that I didn’t have a camera on me.

RBS

35 #FergusonFireside  Mar 19, 2015 7:49:59pm

re: #28 WhatEVs

Halp me! do you have a throw away email we can connect thru?

36 Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2015 7:50:29pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You have to put one in each bathroom?

Yes, for the wall units we checked. There might be others. For efficiency and long-term payout, there are at least two tank/heatpump units on the market. They throw out a bonus—1500 btus of free air conditioning.

37 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 19, 2015 7:51:18pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Yes, for the wall units we checked. There might be others. For efficiency and long-term payout, there are at least two tank/heatpump units on the market. They throw out a bonus—1500 btus of free air conditioning.

Good to know.

We’re not doing it in this house, but the next one…

38 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 7:52:17pm

re: #34 RealityBasedSteve

I stayed at a casino hotel downtown(ish). Coolest hotel pool EVER! I’ll see if I can dig up pics. I kept asking how they got the ocean on the 2nd floor, til I saw it in daylight. Best optical illusion ever.

No lizards, though. I love lizards!

39 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 7:53:23pm

re: #35 #FergusonFireside

Halp me! do you have a throw away email we can connect thru?

DM me on Twitter. I’ll send it to you.

I’m away for the weekend, but next week (at night Eastern) is fine with me.

40 Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2015 7:53:42pm

re: #37 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Good to know.

We’re not doing it in this house, but the next one…

If the house isn’t built yet, running 220 to/near the point of use is NBD.

41 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 19, 2015 7:54:22pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

If the house isn’t built yet, running 220 to/near the point of use is NBD.

No idea what the next house will be, but if we build it it’s definitely happening. :)

42 Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2015 7:58:36pm

More Chris Thile, doing blaugras.

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43 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 19, 2015 8:00:53pm

The findings reveal, in staggering detail, the lengths to which Google went to maintain its dominance in search and bolster its lucrative advertising business.

Google typically ranks sites based on metrics like the number of links that point to a site and how often users click on those links. But at times
the company boosted links to its own properties even when rival services
might have better served its users, according to the report.

If acomparison shopping site from a competitor should have ranked highest, for instance, Google Shopping was sometimes placed above it. And when Yelp was deemed a more relevant result, Google Local would appear on top, the FTC staff wrote.

Google also copied, or “scraped,” content from rivals such as TripAdvisor and amazon.com, and threatened to remove those sites from its search listing if they objected, the Journal reported. In one instance, Google used Amazon’s sales rankings to determine how it ranked products for its own listings, it said.

In so doing, Google sent a message that it would “use its monopoly power over search to extract the fruits of its rivals’ innovations,” the FTC staff wrote.

44 A Cranky One  Mar 19, 2015 8:08:15pm

re: #37 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Good to know.

We’re not doing it in this house, but the next one…

There are low demand units that use electricity to heat the water; might need one for each hot water source.

There are high demand units that use natural gas and are suitable for whole house use. Biggest limitations are in flow rates, not a big problem for smaller households.

Hot water temperatures can be lower in the winter during cold weather. Tend to be more expensive to buy and maintain. Not sure about the latest units, but some are know for cycling (can get short bursts of cold water when using hot).

45 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 19, 2015 8:10:39pm

re: #44 A Cranky One

There are low demand units that use electricity to heat the water; might need one for each hot water source.

There are high demand units that use natural gas and are suitable for whole house use. Biggest limitations are in flow rates, not a big problem for smaller households.

Hot water temperatures can be lower in the winter during cold weather. Tend to be more expensive to buy and maintain. Not sure about the latest units, but some are know for cycling (can get short bursts of cold water when using hot).

What is this “cold weather” you speak of?

/

46 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 19, 2015 8:12:42pm

re: #45 klys (maker of Silmarils)

What is this “cold weather” you speak of?

/

Just came by my Twitter, offers a nice illustration.

47 Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2015 8:16:17pm

re: #46 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Just came by my Twitter, offers a nice illustration.

If you stay there, site the house for solar, at least a hot-water preheater. We got all our hot water from a fairly small array in Israel.

48 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 19, 2015 8:16:53pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

If you stay there, site the house for solar, at least a hot-water preheater. We got all our hot water from a fairly small array in Israel.

Not currently likely (I am so sick of the traffic) but I will keep that in mind. :)

49 Kragar  Mar 19, 2015 8:16:56pm
50 A Cranky One  Mar 19, 2015 8:17:00pm

re: #46 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Ha Ha. I had to wear a jacket today. Na na. ;)

51 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 8:18:55pm

re: #49 Kragar

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And what do you want to bet they’re proud of it. The GOP stinks like last year’s dead fish.

52 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 8:23:39pm

re: #48 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just DM’d you. Let me know if you got it.

53 A Cranky One  Mar 19, 2015 8:24:10pm

re: #51 WhatEVs

This is straight out of Karl Rove’s playbook. Ask John McCain how he feels about Karl Rove…but only from a safe distance, after the “McCain has an illegitimate black child” whisper campaign. It’s all about winning, whatever the cost. Sociopaths. Sigh.

54 ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2015 8:24:33pm

Thanks Charles!

I had to log in and listen to the Punch Brothers as soon as I had a chance to see you had it up.

I continued to be amazed at the subtle dynamics they have. And their range of music styles and song writing. I really liked “Magnet”

Damn. Fine.

55 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 8:25:51pm

re: #53 A Cranky One

This is straight out of Karl Rove’s playbook. Ask John McCain how he feels about Karl Rove…but only from a safe distance, after the “McCain has an illegitimate black child” whisper campaign. It’s all about winning, whatever the cost. Sociopaths. Sigh.

Exactly what I was thinking. Dems suck in many respects, but I can’t recall that kind of nasty.

Power at all costs. Even human costs. And that’s how they govern. Human costs matter not at all.

56 A Cranky One  Mar 19, 2015 8:32:41pm

Been trying to ignore them, but my guitars keep calling me.

Later lizards.

57 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 8:37:57pm
58 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 19, 2015 8:41:39pm

re: #43 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

The findings reveal, in staggering detail, the lengths to which Google went to maintain its dominance in search and bolster its lucrative advertising business.

Google typically ranks sites based on metrics like the number of links that point to a site and how often users click on those links. But at times
the company boosted links to its own properties even when rival services
might have better served its users, according to the report.

If acomparison shopping site from a competitor should have ranked highest, for instance, Google Shopping was sometimes placed above it. And when Yelp was deemed a more relevant result, Google Local would appear on top, the FTC staff wrote.

Google also copied, or “scraped,” content from rivals such as TripAdvisor and amazon.com, and threatened to remove those sites from its search listing if they objected, the Journal reported. In one instance, Google used Amazon’s sales rankings to determine how it ranked products for its own listings, it said.

In so doing, Google sent a message that it would “use its monopoly power over search to extract the fruits of its rivals’ innovations,” the FTC staff wrote.

Don’t be evil!

59 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 19, 2015 8:45:25pm

re: #58 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Don’t be evil!

But maximize profits!

60 Whack-A-Mole  Mar 19, 2015 8:48:52pm

re: #49 Kragar

And yet the Israeli RW cozies up to the GOP. Boggles my mind, truly.

61 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 9:03:37pm

re: #60 Whack-A-Mole

And yet the Israeli RW cozies up to the GOP. Boggles my mind, truly.

Not to mention our right wing loonies only care about two things: war profiteering and end times. The last should make Israelis think hard about that relationship.

62 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 9:19:05pm
63 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 19, 2015 9:25:54pm

re: #62 WhatEVs

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ICYMI: Microsoft to axe Internet Explorer bit.ly

Don’t they mean rename Internet Explorer?

Now I know less than nothing about Windblows and care infinitely less than that, but I was always told if you deleted IE from a PC you rendered it inoperable. Is that no longer the case?

64 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 9:29:35pm

re: #63 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Don’t they mean rename Internet Explorer?

Now I know less than nothing about Windblows and care infinitely less than that, but I was always told if you deleted IE from a PC you rendered it inoperable. Is that no longer the case?

I didn’t think that was the case, but I never tried it. Wouldn’t put it past them. I almost never use it, only for system testing for customers that still torture themselves using it.

Mickeysoft is trying for a new Chrome or Firefox. I still hate IE.

65 Whack-A-Mole  Mar 19, 2015 9:30:18pm

re: #63 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My understanding is that MS’s browser will be new from the ground up, not just IE rebranded.

66 BlueGrl21  Mar 19, 2015 9:33:28pm

In much of tech, managers and devlopers do not get along. Just trust me on this. You usually have a pointy-hair at the top, then a layer of jr. pointy-hairs mixed with a few great directors and managers. Those great managers and directors are the only reason anything gets done. They buffer the developers from the pointy-hairs.

At my company we have a VP of Development that makes Dilbert’s boss look like Richard Feynman. I LOATHE the guy. He likes to overcommit his teams and then blame them for failures. Takes credit for other people’s work. Very much a kiss up, kick down person. i cannot put into words how much I loathe this man.

The only reason his org functions is his four directors that report to him are all amazing. The bastard inherited them. He was too stupid to leave them alone. He has screwed them over for a year. They kept firing warning shots to HR, to this guy’s peers, to our CTO that they were fed up. Nothing got done.

Today, all four of them called a meeting with him and HR. In unison, they pulled out their resignation letters and slapped them down. All of them have new jobs. Gone in 2 weeks. Do not want counteroffers or negotiation. 2 weeks.

His whole management team is gone.

It was sublime. Gorgeous. Breathtaking. My boss is this asshole’s peer and he is trying not to gloat in any way, but man….we’ve been warning our CTO and CIO for a year that the guy is going to cause major wreckage. But this? Did not fathom it would be this epic of a revenge.

No idea what will happen. No one can replace them. I was asked to move over, my, “hell, no!” is still echoing in the halls.

Fun times, fun times.

67 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 19, 2015 9:35:24pm

re: #65 Whack-A-Mole

My understanding is that MS’s browser will be new from the ground up, not just IE rebranded.

If it is new, you’ll need to wait till Windows 12 for it to be useful as MS never gets anything right till the third version…

68 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 19, 2015 9:35:43pm

re: #64 WhatEVs

I didn’t think that was the case, but I never tried it. Wouldn’t put it past them. I almost never use it, only for system testing for customers that still torture themselves using it.

Mickeysoft is trying for a new Chrome or Firefox. I still hate IE.

re: #65 Whack-A-Mole

My understanding is that MS’s browser will be new from the ground up, not just IE rebranded.

OK, I stand corrected. My understanding was that at one time anyway, they had IE so intertwined with the whole system that it was like Safari, Finder, and Spotlight all being so bound up together that if you trashed Safari, you’d bring down the whole shebang. (I wish you could trash Spotlight, actually!)

69 CleverToad  Mar 19, 2015 9:43:39pm

re: #2 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yes, I missed the harp composition the first time around — thank you for re-posting! Lovely music and some awesome pics in there.

More please!

70 Timothy Watson  Mar 19, 2015 9:46:47pm

re: #62 WhatEVs

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Internet Explorer won’t die for another decade at least, because of stuff developed for enterprises which still requires ancient versions of IE.

71 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 19, 2015 9:47:45pm

re: #68 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

OK, I stand corrected. My understanding was that at one time anyway, they had IE so intertwined with the whole system that it was like Safari, Finder, and Spotlight all being so bound up together that if you trashed Safari, you’d bring down the whole shebang. (I wish you could trash Spotlight, actually!)

That was true up to IE3 or 4, when the EU took M$oft to court for monopolistic practices. Thereafter, they made IE more standalone and optional for users.

72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 19, 2015 9:49:09pm

re: #70 Timothy Watson

Internet Explorer won’t die for another decade at least, because of stuff developed for enterprises which still requires ancient versions of IE.

Think of how many people still use XP. O_o

73 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 19, 2015 9:50:05pm

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That was true up to IE3 or 4, when the EU took M$oft to court for monopolistic practices. Thereafter, they made IE more standalone and optional for users.

Ah! Thanks. Most of my info on most subjects is probably obsolete.

74 CleverToad  Mar 19, 2015 9:50:19pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I just have one tankless heater for the whole house, natural gas like my furnace, electronic ignition. Love it, but it does take a full minute or more to reach temperature.

75 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 9:50:30pm

re: #66 BlueGrl21

Man. That’s both epic and sad.

I used to have a job I’d tell myself every morning “Today, I’m not going to quit.” But it was the job itself I hated, not the company or boss.

I work for an amazing company now, small and just the best. I feel blessed beyond words.

I’m sorry you’re in that position. I once had this total asshole beg for me for years. I kept saying no. He finally won. And four months later, we got his pathetic, bulling, dickish ass fired. Nothing was sweeter. Too bad it took so long. He fired a girl for taking too much time off (after riding her attendance hard for months) because her young kid had cancer. I despised him with every fiber if my being.

Hang tough!!

76 Timothy Watson  Mar 19, 2015 9:51:27pm

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Think of how many people still use XP. O_o

Yep, my employer updated their computers to Windows 7 a week before Doomsday for XP and only because the contractor which handles their IT stuff was going to charge them a surcharge for every XP machine they had.

One of my dad’s former employers was still using Internet Explorer 6 a couple years ago on Windows XP machines because Internet Explorer 7 wouldn’t work with one of their intranet sites.

77 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 9:51:28pm

re: #70 Timothy Watson

Internet Explorer won’t die for another decade at least, because of stuff developed for enterprises which still requires ancient versions of IE.

IE 6 is the albatross that keeps giving.

78 WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2015 9:52:36pm

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Think of how many people still use XP. O_o

I’d still use it if I could. I’m not a Win7 fan. Win8 blows. Hopefully 10 won’t suck.

79 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 19, 2015 10:10:51pm

So apparently, not spending enough time outdoors can make you nearsighted? Damn! Maybe if I’d spent my whole life in the basement, I wouldn’t be about 5 powers farsighted.

80 Single-handed sailor  Mar 19, 2015 10:26:47pm

I taught my daughters at the age of 10 and 12 that IE was only for downloading a real browser. That was 10 years ago when they learned how to install Windows on their own. It’s a good rule of thumb.

81 Kragar  Mar 19, 2015 11:04:37pm
82 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 19, 2015 11:20:00pm

I never had a problem with Internet Explorer. Judging by the tone of some of the comments, I think part if it is based on their feeling about Microsoft. I will also confess that I miss XP but I did get used to 7. I don’t like upgrading unless it’s at gunpoint. In my experience, the old machine won’t run the new software properly. I suppose it’s written for newer computers so when I get a new one I’ll have to get used to Windows x.

83 Eventual Carrion  Mar 19, 2015 11:21:35pm

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Think of how many people still use XP. O_o

I’ve still got a VM of my old XP box.

84 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 19, 2015 11:23:37pm

I do find it fascinating that, having accessed this site on IE, Firefox, Safari, and Chrome, that there are slight differences in the appearance on each one. For example, with IE, all the comment boxes have right angles, with FF they have slight radii, Chrome, slightly larger and Safari has the biggest. It makes me wonder how these four systems take the same code and display it four different ways.

85 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 19, 2015 11:49:03pm

Some Chinese websites seem to be designed only for IE. Using Chrome, Opera or FF works for about 90% of functionality, but not that critical 10%. I have to use IE for my Internet banking and online shopping tasks, because only IE seems willing to run the security app required. It’s a Win7 problem more than IE, maybe, because with Vista I could use any browser.

I’d be hosed if I had an OSX or Linux box. Most financial institutions here only code for Windows .

86 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 19, 2015 11:52:10pm

re: #82 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I think part if it is based on their feeling about Microsoft.

Yep. Of course the last Microsoft OS I really liked was Xenix so I don’t have much hope for them anymore.

87 Single-handed sailor  Mar 20, 2015 1:06:12am

Jon Stewart Asks When Fox Is Going To Hold Themselves Accountable For Their Anger And Divisiveness

A ‘Jon Stewart “drops mic” clip about Fox News’ over at C&L. It’s beautiful.

88 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 1:14:37am

Overcast here on the Rhine, alas, I even dug out the eclipse glasses I bought for the (clouded over) eclipse in 1999, but to no avail.

89 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 2:09:16am

re: #79 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So apparently, not spending enough time outdoors can make you nearsighted? Damn! Maybe if I’d spent my whole life in the basement, I wouldn’t be about 5 powers farsighted.

Hmm. Story of my life, being a book worm and being pale enough I burned easily which kept me out of the sun. But I only needed glasses for driving most of my life. Then, in my 60s, all of a sudden I had “second sight” and didn’t need glasses for anything and I can still read a telephone book w/o correction. Went through my middle age without having to resort to reading glasses or bifocals so never got really presbyopic. But that “second sight”, in which the eyes were compensating each other for small failures in both distance and near vision, was a precursor to the cataracts now developing, although it took them about 7 yrs. Now, until I have them removed, I need a little correction for driving, so I got sunglasses, since it’s difficult seeing at night (another indicator of cataracts).

However, exposure to UV rays will speed up the cataract development, so if I were a young’un, I’d hit the books and stay out of UV rays. : )

BTW, if you live long enough, you’ll eventually develop cataracts, but they’re removed more easily these days, leaving you with good sight. We’ve come a long way since I worked for an ophthalmologist 50 yrs ago.. He did cataract surgery and you should have seen the thick glasses or contact lenses they were using back then post-surgery. Now, those aren’t needed, so progress, people!

90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 2:10:27am

Getting a bit darker here, but if I did not know better, I would just assume that the clouds are thickening.

91 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 2:11:30am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ach! We’re all gonna die! ////

92 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 2:12:41am

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

Ach! We’re all gonna die! ////

We are already preparing a bonfire for the village witch just to be safe…

93 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 2:15:40am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We are already preparing a bonfire for the village witch just to be safe…

Do we have the scale and the duck ready?

94 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 2:17:50am

re: #78 WhatEVs

Wow, now you tell me Win8 blows. That’s what I’m using, but it works well getting online, which is all I need these days and is fairly fast. : ) Use Chrome, though, not IE, except when I have to look up real estate because the county requires it. I probably have too much computer for what I use it for, but why the hell not?

95 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 2:18:13am

re: #93 Targetpractice

Do we have the scale and the duck ready?

No, but the newts have all testified against her.

96 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 2:18:47am

re: #93 Targetpractice

Do we have the scale and the duck ready?

She will come back to haunt you, though. : )

97 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 2:27:44am

Ach du lieber…

Someone’s Ancestors Didn’t Get Out Alive
98 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 2:29:32am

Liveblogging solar eclipse in GB:

bbc.com

99 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 2:36:16am

Sounds like some of the current thinking in this country from the RWNJs.

Solar Eclipses in the Middle Ages

reading.ac.uk

“In the 12th century the chronicler John of Worcester wrote: ‘in 1133 a darkness appeared in the sky throughout England. In some places it was only a little dark but in others candles were needed. … The sun looked like a new moon, though its shape constantly changed. Some said that this was an eclipse of the sun. If so, then the sun was at the Head of the Dragon and the moon at its Tail, or vice versa. … King Henry left England for Normandy, never to return alive.’

“

It’s the Dragon Causing Everything

The account mixes astronomical knowledge of eclipses with a fateful link to political turmoil, encapsulated by the image of the great celestial dragon, whose head and tail mark the points on the orbits of the sun and moon at which eclipses can occur. In spring the moon’s path crosses that of the sun at the ‘head of the dragon’, whilst the autumnal point is the ‘tail’.

100 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 2:43:09am

re: #98 Justanotherhuman

Liveblogging solar eclipse in GB:

bbc.com

Nice live cam, too.

101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 2:44:00am

re: #99 Justanotherhuman

Sounds like some of the current thinking in this country from the RWNJs.

Don’t forget the great comet that foretold the downfall of King Harold in 1066

102 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 2:49:23am

re: #100 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I just looked outside to see if there were any northern lights (NC was said to maybe see them) but, alas, nada.

103 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 3:27:20am

“Mad Dogs and Englishmen”

…

I loved Noel Coward when I was just a kid in the ’50s—I thought he was sophistication personified. Everyone either knew he was “queer” or suspected it, but no one cared because he was fabulous.

BBL.

104 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 3:29:10am

Clouds have lightened up, eclipse is now visible here on the Rhine.

I realize that after 55 years on the planet, this is the first solar eclipse I have actually been able to see and experience…

105 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 4:04:07am

re: #103 Justanotherhuman

“Mad Dogs and Englishmen”

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I loved Noel Coward when I was just a kid in the ’50s—I thought he was sophistication personified. Everyone either knew he was “queer” or suspected it, but no one cared because he was fabulous.

BBL.

There is a film from WWII or shortly after in which he plays a macho role. He’s a very cool captain of a small destroyer escort with an open bridge in In Which We Serve. Water from near misses is splashing over him while he is calmly ordering: “Shoot, shoot, shoot.”

Addendum: 1942. The IMDB Trivia entries are particularly interesting.

imdb.com

106 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 4:39:08am
107 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 4:43:08am

re: #106 The Mother Of All Pies

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Cool footage.

The Kosher BBQ event page from last year is still inactive, but I did follow to one in Atlanta, Oct 18. That’s just about as close to Huntsville.

facebook.com

108 dharmamark  Mar 20, 2015 4:56:59am

re: #66 BlueGrl21

In much of tech, managers and devlopers do not get along. Just trust me on this. You usually have a pointy-hair at the top, then a layer of jr. pointy-hairs mixed with a few great directors and managers. Those great managers and directors are the only reason anything gets done. They buffer the developers from the pointy-hairs.

At my company we have a VP of Development that makes Dilbert’s boss look like Richard Feynman. I LOATHE the guy. He likes to overcommit his teams and then blame them for failures. Takes credit for other people’s work. Very much a kiss up, kick down person. i cannot put into words how much I loathe this man.

The only reason his org functions is his four directors that report to him are all amazing. The bastard inherited them. He was too stupid to leave them alone. He has screwed them over for a year. They kept firing warning shots to HR, to this guy’s peers, to our CTO that they were fed up. Nothing got done.

Today, all four of them called a meeting with him and HR. In unison, they pulled out their resignation letters and slapped them down. All of them have new jobs. Gone in 2 weeks. Do not want counteroffers or negotiation. 2 weeks.

His whole management team is gone.

It was sublime. Gorgeous. Breathtaking. My boss is this asshole’s peer and he is trying not to gloat in any way, but man….we’ve been warning our CTO and CIO for a year that the guy is going to cause major wreckage. But this? Did not fathom it would be this epic of a revenge.

No idea what will happen. No one can replace them. I was asked to move over, my, “hell, no!” is still echoing in the halls.

Fun times, fun times.

That’s epic. Love stories like this.

109 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 4:58:01am

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Cool footage.

The Kosher BBQ event page from last year is still inactive, but I did follow to one in Atlanta, Oct 18. That’s just about as close to Huntsville.

facebook.com

My son moved his family to Birmingham last year. He still commutes to Huntsville but my DIL likes to stay in B’hm, she wasn’t happy in Huntsville.

110 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 5:23:17am

At least 24 people killed in suicide bombing attacks in Yemeni capital of San’a, security and medical sources say - @Reuters
end of alert

Update: Medical officials say at least 45 killed, 100 injured in suicide attacks on 2 Yemen mosques - @AP
end of alert

111 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 5:24:24am

Fuck you both very much.

U.S. House Speaker Boehner to meet Israeli PM Netanyahu in Jerusalem in the next 2 weeks, Israeli official says - @cnnbrk
see original on twitter.com

112 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 5:25:46am

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

Fuck you both very much.

U.S. House Speaker Boehner to meet Israeli PM Netanyahu in Jerusalem in the next 2 weeks, Israeli official says - @cnnbrk
see original on twitter.com

Just celebrating with a victory lap over Obama…

113 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 5:27:06am
114 freetoken  Mar 20, 2015 5:30:01am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

The shadows are coming!!

Image: shadow-dancing-03.jpg

115 PhillyPretzel  Mar 20, 2015 5:30:13am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

That is a very different perspective. Cool.

116 Varek Raith  Mar 20, 2015 5:35:56am

First day of Spring.
And it’s snowing.
I blame Gore.
/

117 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 5:37:46am

These young converts seem to be some of the most fanatical. They don’t have the maturity or rational thinking to examine what they believe and develop any doubt that it may be wrong or that it may be an excuse for deadly behavior.

Soldier beheading plan teen Brusthom Ziamani jailed

bbc.com

“The court heard he was inspired by the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby and used the internet to research Army bases.

“He converted to Islam in the spring of 2014. A few months later he was held in east London while in a possession of a 12in knife and a hammer.

“Ziamani was arrested on 19 August as part of a joint police and MI5 intelligence operation.” More

118 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 5:42:24am

2nd Amendment Rights, you betcha. Not far from me…

Sheriff: Man attempted to form militia to harm officers

wcnc.com

MAIDEN, N.C. — The Lincoln County Sheriff’s Office arrested a man they say was attempting to form a militia with the intent of harming law enforcement officers.

“Lincoln County Sheriff’s Office narcotics Lieutenant Jason Reid said, “The incident started on Thursday, March 12, 2015, when probation/parole officers conducted a probation search at the home of Timothy Lee Cornwell’s daughter in Lincoln County. Nothing was found.”

“After the search of Cornwell’s home, the Sheriff’s Office says Cornwell took to Facebook to call out officers by name, one of whom was a narcotics investigator with the Sheriff’s Office, while another was a probation officer.” More

Waaaah! They won’t let me deal illegal drugs, Mommy, so I want to kill them all! Fucking pillheads.

119 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 5:46:28am

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

2nd Amendment Rights, you betcha. Not far from me…

Sheriff: Man attempted to form militia to harm officers

wcnc.com

MAIDEN, N.C. — The Lincoln County Sheriff’s Office arrested a man they say was attempting to form a militia with the intent of harming law enforcement officers.

“Lincoln County Sheriff’s Office narcotics Lieutenant Jason Reid said, “The incident started on Thursday, March 12, 2015, when probation/parole officers conducted a probation search at the home of Timothy Lee Cornwell’s daughter in Lincoln County. Nothing was found.”

“After the search of Cornwell’s home, the Sheriff’s Office says Cornwell took to Facebook to call out officers by name, one of whom was a narcotics investigator with the Sheriff’s Office, while another was a probation officer.” More

Waaaah! They won’t let me deal illegal drugs, Mommy, so I want to kill them all! Fucking pillheads.

Sounds like it was well regulated…what’s the problem?

/

120 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 5:50:30am

Wal-Mart to Pay $10M to Family of Comedian Killed in Tracy Morgan Van Crash

dnainfo.com

NEW YORK CITY — The family of a comedian friend of Tracy Morgan who was killed last June when a Wal-Mart truck crashed into a luxury van he was riding in got $10 million from the retail giant to settle a lawsuit, DNAinfo New York has learned.

“Wal-Mart made the large payout to the family of James McNair to avoid potential losses from litigation, the McNair family’s lawyer said in court papers.

(snip)

“Zaslow said that Wal-Mart agreed to settle for the large amount because he used the potential losses the retail chain faced from the highly publicized lawsuit as leverage.

“Although many of my colleagues insisted that the strategy would not be successful, and for many months of negotiations this assessment of damages was not being entertained by counsel for Wal-Mart, through months of heated negotiations, [I] was able to convince Wal-Mart to view the damages through this rather unorthodox approach,” Zaslow wrote in his filing.” More

121 Nyet  Mar 20, 2015 5:59:50am

re: #116 Varek Raith

First day of Spring.
And it’s snowing.
I blame Gore.
/

2/3 of the first month of Spring and it’s already neat outside.

122 Nyet  Mar 20, 2015 6:01:41am

And I saw the eclipse. A bit.

123 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 6:01:55am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

That’d be a solar eclipse taken in 1999 by Russian cosmonauts aboard the Mir space station.

124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 6:03:08am

re: #122 Nyet

And I saw the eclipse. A bit.

I realize that after 55 years on the planet, this was the first eclipse I was able to see. Got out the special glasses I bought in 1999 and did not get to use and saw the dragon chew a big chunk out of the sun’s disc.

125 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 6:04:09am

re: #121 Nyet

Cool here and rainy, but everything spring is blooming. They will not be deterred anymore. And the neighbor’s chickens are roaming our landscape again.

Should be able to plant my herbs this weekend, although I did allow the Munchkin to take the thyme plant to school as “something green” for show and tell Friday. : )

126 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 6:04:27am

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

Wal-Mart to Pay $10M to Family of Comedian Killed in Tracy Morgan Van Crash

dnainfo.com

NEW YORK CITY — The family of a comedian friend of Tracy Morgan who was killed last June when a Wal-Mart truck crashed into a luxury van he was riding in got $10 million from the retail giant to settle a lawsuit, DNAinfo New York has learned.

“Wal-Mart made the large payout to the family of James McNair to avoid potential losses from litigation, the McNair family’s lawyer said in court papers.

(snip)

“Zaslow said that Wal-Mart agreed to settle for the large amount because he used the potential losses the retail chain faced from the highly publicized lawsuit as leverage.

“Although many of my colleagues insisted that the strategy would not be successful, and for many months of negotiations this assessment of damages was not being entertained by counsel for Wal-Mart, through months of heated negotiations, [I] was able to convince Wal-Mart to view the damages through this rather unorthodox approach,” Zaslow wrote in his filing.” More

How much did they pay the family of that worker who was crushed to death during a Black Friday promotion?

127 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 6:04:39am

First day of spring, and NYC metro gearing up for 2-4 or more inches of snow. Wonderful. The glacial retreat had finally managed to allow my planting beds to resurface after a long and dark winter. Now? A reminder that local weather does not global warming prove or disprove.

Global temperatures that continue to rise? That’s a sign of global warming.

And another reminder? The folks who ginned up the term climate change? That’d be GOP spin doctors who were unwilling to accept global warming, but knew something was afoot but were afraid to fully step out from the GOP big tent of denialism.

128 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 6:04:53am

re: #123 lawhawk

Ah, that wasn’t revealed in the blurb…

129 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 6:05:00am
130 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 6:06:11am

Spring is just fine here in the Rhineland. Got the house opened up and airing out, buds are popping and it is generally pleasant.

131 sagehen  Mar 20, 2015 6:12:39am

re: #127 lawhawk

And another reminder? The folks who ginned up the term climate change? That’d be GOP spin doctors Frank Luntz, who were unwilling to accept global warming, thought “global warming” sounded scary, but knew something was afoot it was real but were afraid to fully step out from and so designed the blueprint for the GOP big tent of denialism.

‘Cause “climate change” sounds sort of fuzzy, and maybe even nice.

132 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 6:15:32am

re: #126 The Mother Of All Pies

The family sued, can’t find anything about a settlement. Although this story claims Wallyworld set aside $400K for anyone injured, including him. I just made a cursory search, so there may be more info out there. Nevertheless, sadly, this young man has pretty much been forgotten.

nydailynews.com

And as of this 2013 story, Walmart hadn’t even paid the $7K OSHA fine. It prefers to blame his death on the behavior of the crowd. But some would argue that Walmart itself contributed to that behavior and had no crowd control.

huffingtonpost.com

133 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 6:17:48am

The GOP is finding math hard. Whether it’s trying to fashion a budget or finding the votes to support any number of budget proposals, the GOP is a total mess when it comes to all things fiscal.

Steve Scalise, the GOP whip, can’t do basic math.

And of course, attempting to repeal the ACA or knee-capping it is still a priority.

134 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 20, 2015 6:18:45am

OT: Yet another guitar amusement for me this morning…
Turn up the overdrive channel.
Stomp on the Reverb pedal (spring with the decay time way up near max)
Do power chords in Drop D tuning.
Sound like a depressed surfer … LOL! Goth Surf Punk?

Anyway, that’s all, I just found it fun.

135 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 6:18:56am

It’s not even 9:30 am, EST, and I’ve already had enough people today.

136 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 6:21:56am

re: #133 lawhawk

The GOP is finding math hard. Whether it’s trying to fashion a budget or finding the votes to support any number of budget proposals, the GOP is a total mess when it comes to all things fiscal.

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Steve Scalise, the GOP whip, can’t do basic math.

And of course, attempting to repeal the ACA or knee-capping it is still a priority.

Even with dynamic scoring, they can’t seem to fashion a budget that is not a total joke.

137 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 6:23:18am

re: #132 Justanotherhuman

The family sued, can’t find anything about a settlement. Although this story claims Wallyworld set aside $400K for anyone injured, including him. I just made a cursory search, so there may be more info out there. Nevertheless, sadly, this young man has pretty much been forgotten.

nydailynews.com

And as of this 2013 story, Walmart hadn’t even paid the $7K OSHA fine. It prefers to blame his death on the behavior of the crowd. But some would argue that Walmart itself contributed to that behavior and had no crowd control.

huffingtonpost.com

When you advertise “doorbusters” don’t act surprise when they bust the door.

138 Nyet  Mar 20, 2015 6:24:47am

re: #127 lawhawk

Both “climate change” and “global warming” are fully accepted scientific terms (see e,g,: IPCC) that refer to different, albeit related phenomena. What Luntz advocated was always using CC instead of GW because of the connotations. This doesn’t diminish the usefulness and acceptability of the term CC.

139 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 6:25:56am

So the bus I’m riding in this morning has to pull over because the windshields weren’t working and its snowing/raining today. Our bus is offloaded onto another bus which doesn’t have any seating left, so I stand along with others for the last 15 minutes of the trip into work.

Apparently I cleared my throat a time or two. I have water bottles with me as well as cough drops but I can’t reach them because my bag is on the floor and I’m standing, trying to hold on.

Whatever.

As I’m getting off, this guy, who’s been seating the whole time, says really loudly “Hurr hurr you really need some cough drops or something man. Or just stay home next time.”

And of course I’m not prepared for this kind medical advice from a complete fucking stranger, so I say nothing as we file off.

Now, I’m just absolutely livid.

140 PhillyPretzel  Mar 20, 2015 6:29:03am

re: #139 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Sounds like the “SEPTA shuffle.” I once had to go from an express train to a bus and then back to a train albeit a local one. Not fun at all.

141 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 6:29:24am

re: #139 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I’m sure he meant well. ///

142 Snarknado!  Mar 20, 2015 6:30:44am

re: #139 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So the bus I’m riding in this morning has to pull over because the windshields weren’t working and its snowing/raining today. Our bus is offloaded onto another bus which doesn’t have any seating left, so I stand along with others for the last 15 minutes of the trip into work.

Apparently I cleared my throat a time or two. I have water bottles with me as well as cough drops but I can’t reach them because my bag is on the floor and I’m standing, trying to hold on.

Whatever.

As I’m getting off, this guy, who’s been seating the whole time, says really loudly “Hurr hurr you really need some cough drops or something man. Or just stay home next time.”

And of course I’m not prepared for this kind medical advice from a complete fucking stranger, so I say nothing as we file off.

Now, I’m just absolutely livid.

“No, just a third hand.”

143 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 6:33:15am

re: #136 Targetpractice

Oh, it’s so much worse than that.

You’ve got the hawks demanding more spending for the military, which means they’ve got to cut elsewhere - and/or hike taxes/fees. They aren’t going to hike taxes, so it means cutting safety net programs, and a few of them realize that would be bad news since their constituents actually rely on them.

The alternative is that they add to deficits, so the deficit hawks complain.

Never mind that the tax burden on those most able to afford taxes is at its lowest point in generations. These fiscal illiterates keep pushing the trickle down theory even though decades of proof shows it does no such thing.

There isn’t a single budget proposal that the GOP can line up behind because they can’t agree on what to do. Other than attack the ACA, that is.

And when they go after the ACA, they do so disingenously as well. Claiming that the ACA cuts Medicare by hundreds of billions of dollars as a scare tactic (see the Ryan plan from a few years back mirroring the ACA in that very respect).

The only bright spot for now is that there appears to be bipartisan consensus on eliminating the need to annually fix the Medicare reimbursement, though the deficit hawks are still complaining that this would add to the deficit.

Memo to deficit hawks - if you’re that interested in cutting the deficit, raise taxes and cut spending elsewhere - I’d suggest the F-22 and F-35 projects for starters, since both of those boondoggles are leaving the military with aircraft uniquely incapable of doing all of what it was intended to do for at least a decade to come.

144 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 6:35:19am

Oh, and before the whole bus shuffle thing, I’m scrolling through my Facebook feeds (yes, I know I should know better) and I’m hit with this derp about the Obamas being on an airplane and the joke about throwing a dollar bill out the window to make everyone happy and the pilot says hurr hurr I can throw you and Michelle out and make everyone happy.

I almost always ignore shit like this. It’s just not worth the time or aggravation.

But as I thought this was especially low class and despicable I commented “C’mon, [FB friend], you’re better than this.”

So we’ll see what sort of derp follows. If things get really bad I’ll be sure to drop my “Osama bin Laden not available for comment” line, which always manages to get the wingnuts stirred up.

145 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 6:37:02am

US Secretary of State Kerry to meet Saturday with UK, French, German counterparts to discuss Iran nuclear talks, US official says - @Reuters
end of alert

146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 6:38:41am

re: #144 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So we’ll see what sort of derp follows. If things get really bad I’ll be sure to drop my “Osama bin Laden not available for comment” line, which always manages to get the wingnuts stirred up.

Because Obama had nothing to do with OBL’s demise…

147 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 6:39:33am

re: #126 The Mother Of All Pies

How much did they pay the family of that worker who was crushed to death during a Black Friday promotion?

Probably little or nothing more than state-mandated worker’s compensation. That’s usually a couple multiples of a year’s pay. Worker’s comp exists to protect the employer from suits—it’s normally the ‘sole remedy in law’.

148 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 20, 2015 6:41:58am

re: #66 BlueGrl21

In much of tech, managers and devlopers do not get along. Just trust me on this…

And if your company is blessed with a marketing division you, as a developer, may find yourself wishing you knew a hitman. Working in software dev for two different companies so blessed had my liver looking like a sea sponge. “Marketing wants…” Drink!

149 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 6:46:40am

re: #143 lawhawk

F-22 production has already ended, Lawhawk, and the plane is now doing well actually. And not the F-35, either, since its new EW systems are going to let us infiltrate our enemies cyber-systems.

Instead, the monies President Obama requested that exceed sequestration are going to be put in the Overseas Contingency Operations supplemental budget, which is not subject to sequestration.

This is of course bullshit Congressional math and it proves Congress isn’t really serious about cutting the budget. But Congress has never really been serious about cutting the budget, so what else is new?

150 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 6:52:01am

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

F-22 production has already ended, Lawhawk, and the plane is now doing well actually. And not the F-35, either, since its new EW systems are going to let us infiltrate our enemies cyber-systems.

Instead, the monies President Obama requested that exceed sequestration are going to be put in the Overseas Contingency Operations supplemental budget, which is not subject to sequestration.

This is of course bullshit Congressional math and it proves Congress isn’t really serious about cutting the budget. But Congress has never really been serious about cutting the budget, so what else is new?

So the F-35 is already overloaded as a program, years overdue and billions overbudget, and now they want to tack cyberwarfare onto it? Sorry Dark, but that’s a desperation play. The DoD is scared shitless that the deluge of bad press might mean the program finally gets the much needed axe and the hardware just integrated with existing platforms at a fraction of the cost.

151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 20, 2015 6:56:07am

re: #150 Targetpractice

So the F-35 is already overloaded as a program, years overdue and billions overbudget, and now they want to tack cyberwarfare onto it? Sorry Dark, but that’s a desperation play. The DoD is scared shitless that the deluge of bad press might mean the program finally gets the much needed axe and the hardware just integrated with existing platforms at a fraction of the cost.

Think of all the jobs they have created for college-educated technicians and engineers who would be otherwise unable to find a job on the civilian market…

152 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 6:57:48am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Think of all the jobs they have created for college-educated technicians and engineers who would be otherwise unable to find a job on the civilian market…

I’ve seen Egyptian pyramid-building explained in those terms.

153 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 7:00:22am

re: #150 Targetpractice

Stories are already out about attempts to hack planes in midair. Believe me TP, this is a smart play by DoD. It sends the message, “we won’t get blindsided this time” and it further reassures the public that their gold-plated warplane is going to be able to deal with future threats.

The ‘cool’ and ‘safety’ factors will overwhelm the critics, and Congress will happily put the cyber-warfare pod on the Government credit card.

154 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:02:19am
155 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:03:38am

Mornin’ gang…happy Spring.

156 Timothy Watson  Mar 20, 2015 7:04:09am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

Stories are already out about attempts to hack planes in midair. Believe me TP, this is a smart play by DoD. It sends the message, “we won’t get blindsided this time” and it further reassures the public that their gold-plated warplane is going to be able to deal with future threats.

The ‘cool’ and ‘safety’ factors will overwhelm the critics, and Congress will happily put the cyber-warfare pod on the Government credit card.

The damn plane still can’t drop the SDB bombs yet, the plane’s operating system is 10 years behind, and they’re going to figure how to all this in a couple years?

If you honestly believe that I have some land East of Miami to sell you.

157 Bass Reeves  Mar 20, 2015 7:04:49am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

Yeah but that article is talking about an *offensive* capability. If it was a defensive capability, that would raise the question of how effective the stealth is, but for an offensive capability, what’s the point? How would that even work, and why would would we want it to?

**Edit**
I would think the standing up of the Cyber Command or whatever they are calling it these days, as well as the introduction (in the Army at least) of a Cyber branch in the next couple of years would show how serious the DoD is taking Cyber more than adding another capability onto a platform where they haven’t actually gotten its original capabilities to work.

159 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 7:05:57am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

Stories are already out about attempts to hack planes in midair. Believe me TP, this is a smart play by DoD. It sends the message, “we won’t get blindsided this time” and it further reassures the public that their gold-plated warplane is going to be able to deal with future threats.

The ‘cool’ and ‘safety’ factors will overwhelm the critics, and Congress will happily put the cyber-warfare pod on the Government credit card.

What it tells me is that this bird has absolutely no growth potential. They’re trying to thread the needle of developing a cyberwarfare pod that doesn’t compromise its stealth, but which will mean compromising something else, whether it be speed, range, or maneuverability. All so they can get ahead of questions about its survivability amongst Congressmen who are already skeptical about the need for the program.

160 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 7:06:20am

re: #156 Timothy Watson

The damn plane still can’t drop the SDB bombs yet, the plane’s operating system is 10 years behind, and they’re going to figure how to all this in a couple years?

If you honestly believe that I have some land East of Miami to sell you.

Microsoft is offering free Windows 10 updates. “I see you are attempting to acquire a designated laser footprint….”

161 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:06:38am

Are we wagging our dicks about military hardware again? Sheesh.

162 sagehen  Mar 20, 2015 7:07:04am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

I’ve seen Egyptian pyramid-building explained in those terms.

I once saw an economist’s analysis of Stonehenge… as a share of that era/locale’s GDP, it was apparently equivalent to the Apollo program.

163 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:07:42am

re: #160 Decatur Deb

Microsoft is offering free Windows 10 updates. “I see you are attempting to acquire a designated laser footprint….”

Let me help you optimize the collateral damage…

164 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 7:08:49am

re: #160 Decatur Deb

Microsoft is offering free Windows 10 updates. “I see you are attempting to acquire a designated laser footprint….”

Estimated time to download: 23 hours 51 minutes

165 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 7:09:30am
166 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:09:39am

re: #164 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Estimated time to download: 23 hours 51 minutes

It’s a good thing they can refuel in the air.

167 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 7:10:25am

re: #154 darthstar

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He can expect no mercy. President Obama has put up with corrupt Illinois politicians when he’s had to, but when he’s had the chance since becoming president he’s had DoJ lower the boom on them when possible. and he’s right to insist the justice Department do so, for corruption is a cancer in Illinois.

And yes, this is a pro-Obama post from a Republican, done for the simple reason that the president isn’t dirty and Aaron Schock clearly seems to be. And like Barack Obama, I’ve seen the damage corruption has done to Illinois and I would see it minimized as much as possible (ending it is unrealistic).

168 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 7:11:36am

re: #161 darthstar

Are we wagging our dicks about military hardware again? Sheesh.

Actually, this cyberwar stuff get my dick too hard for it to wag.

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169 sagehen  Mar 20, 2015 7:12:22am

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

But if they minimize corruption in Illinois, how will you ever compete with Louisiana?

170 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 20, 2015 7:12:39am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

My Mekong delta outfit was occasionally given prototype weapons to test in the field. I flatly refused to deploy one of those gems. I argued that I’d be so busy getting all of its features to work at one time that Charlie could easily sneak up and brain me with a flat rock. The F35 is a single seat aircraft, pilot overload is real.

171 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:13:28am

re: #169 sagehen

But if they minimize corruption in Illinois, how will you ever compete with Louisiana?

A Bobby Jindal-Schock presidential ticket?

172 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 7:13:39am

I can imagine all kinds of scenarios…

173 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:14:58am

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Actually, this cyberwar stuff get my dick too hard for it to wag.

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“SQL injection” is an interesting choice of safe word.

174 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 7:15:04am

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

They had to end the F-22 production early because it was so overbudget and bloated. It’s a hanger queen that still suffers from serious deficiencies. Sure, it might get worked out over the next decade, but that’s added costs that we have to pay for (or otherwise add to the national debt). And we’re already seeing added costs as a result of upgrading to F-22A, which allows them to fire off JDAMs
(which current aircraft are able to do). The F-22 also lacks the ability to go after targets that UAVs and even attack helicopters are able to do - a mission that is critical in current environment given the ongoing terror threat from the likes of al Shabaab, al Qaeda, ISIL/ISIS, Taliban factions, etc.

Air superiority may still be the F-22’s forte, but it’s not what the USAF needs to fight the fights it’s being asked to do. Existing aircraft can do the same job better, and for less money.

Same with the F-35. The program lacks an operational cannon for at least another couple of years, which is bad news if you’re planning on sending the A-10 to the Boneyard ASAP. The F-35 was meant to be all things to all services, and it isn’t doing any of them particularly well, except as to suck up funds. More to the point:

Bloomberg is now saying that Pentagon director of combat testing Michael Gilmore recently warned Congress of “serious deficiencies” in the F-35 stealth fighter — deficiencies over and above those related to the gun. Already over budget and overdue for deployment, Gilmore says the F-35 still has only limited ability to:

drop bombs
share data with other aircraft
track hostile incoming missiles
identify enemy radar
and, in general, perform “effective combat operations against advanced enemy air defenses”
His understated assessment: This plane has “deficiencies remaining that will affect operational units.”

It would seem that those deficiencies go to the very essence of what the F-35 is supposed to do, not only for the USAF, but USMC, USN, and foreign partners who were intent to buy units.

It further lacks the ability to deliver sufficient weapons on target without using external hardpoints, which undermines the whole purpose of stealth.

Software upgrades are needed, and those will be years in the making before they are migrated to units in service now.

Lockheed needs this program since it will make up a huge chunk of its revenue in coming years. Every bug means a fix (and a cost to taxpayers). Every delay means another fix (and cost to taxpayers).

175 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 7:16:27am

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

I can imagine all kinds of scenarios…

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And that’s a use for the cyberwar pod: “Hey Jeff, you didn’t contribute enough to that Air Force charity event last month, so our F-35s just crashed 10 Amazon drones!”

/Kidding.

176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 7:16:28am

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

I can imagine all kinds of scenarios…

Drones will be the next CT’s version of black helicopters. Teh dronz is spying on us!

177 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:17:38am

re: #174 lawhawk

The popup screen for the second pilot to watch movies on long trips was a nice touch, but the DVD player itself couldn’t fit with all the controls.

178 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 7:19:14am

re: #159 Targetpractice

Any external pod will necessarily affect its stealth characteristics, and they’re already attaching external hardpoints, which further degrade its stealth.

The whole point of the purchase was to: 1) provide stealth aircraft to USN, USMC, and USAF so as to 2) permit the retirement of F-15, F-16, F-18 aircraft as they end useful life cycles. Instead, we’re finding that in order to do the job of the aircraft it is supposed to replace, it’s losing stealth characteristics, and it still can’t do the jobs of those aircraft, up to and including firing its gun or dropping the kinds of munitions that current conflicts are requiring (SDBs).

OH, and I almost forgot the biggest problem - it costs far more than the models it replaces. That’s both as a per unit cost and for actually flying the aircraft. That’s huge over the life of the aircraft since it means that limited funds will be strained even further because of the high operational costs.

179 Romantic Heretic  Mar 20, 2015 7:20:45am

re: #66 BlueGrl21

People like him are why my mental health deteriorated to the point where I tried to take my own life. I kept running into them and I could figure no ethical way around them.

Eventually my brain pulled a Norman.

That and trying to avoid pulling the pencil trick on them was more than my emotional equilibrium could take.

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2015 7:20:56am

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

I can imagine all kinds of scenarios…

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A friend here in eastern Kentucky was seriously snowed in for most of the winter. It would take her four hours to walk to the mailbox to meet someone delivering things. We decided that drone delivery of necessary supplies like prescriptions is something whose time has come.

181 Timothy Watson  Mar 20, 2015 7:21:16am

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

I can imagine all kinds of scenarios…

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A stock gaining 0.8% is “tak[ing] off”?

182 Bass Reeves  Mar 20, 2015 7:21:32am

re: #174 lawhawk

Air superiority may still be the F-22’s forte, but it’s not what the USAF needs to fight the fights it’s being asked to do. Existing aircraft can do the same job better, and for less money.

I agree with everything else, I would just say that other planes can already do this, air superiority against a near-peer threat is something the military is trying to reteach itself, just in case. It’s actually sad looking at all the Soldiers with less than 12 years in service trying to figure out how to fight someone who’s not considered a terrorist or insurgent.

183 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:22:26am
184 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 7:22:26am

re: #178 lawhawk

Any external pod will necessarily affect its stealth characteristics, and they’re already attaching external hardpoints, which further degrade its stealth.

The whole point of the purchase was to: 1) provide stealth aircraft to USN, USMC, and USAF so as to 2) permit the retirement of F-15, F-16, F-18 aircraft as they end useful life cycles. Instead, we’re finding that in order to do the job of the aircraft it is supposed to replace, it’s losing stealth characteristics, and it still can’t do the jobs of those aircraft, up to and including firing its gun or dropping the kinds of munitions that current conflicts are requiring (SDBs).

The mod the F35B will receive will allow it to drop SDBs. Keep in mind that the F-35A and F-35C are already able to deliver those weapons.

SDB: Small Diameter Bomb. We use them to kill terrorists while minimizing collateral damage.

185 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 7:23:06am

re: #176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

They can send our stuff by UPS. Too many trees, bldgs, utility wires/cables, etc. to successfully land anything at our door (plus a covered patio). Wouldn’t want electronics sitting out in the rain or squirrels and chickens taking off with them or crapping on the pkgs.

Plus, our UPS guy is eye candy and very nice. : )

186 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:24:11am

Jesus

187 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 7:25:24am

re: #186 darthstar

Whoa, horrible. Worse than first reported.

188 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 7:26:18am

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

They can send our stuff by UPS. Too many trees, bldgs, utility wires/cables, etc. to successfully land anything at our door (plus a covered patio). Wouldn’t want electronics sitting out in the rain or squirrels and chickens taking off with them or crapping on the pkgs.

Plus, our UPS guy is eye candy and very nice. : )

My mom was always nice to our UPS guy. Gave him homemade cookies and a tip at Christmas time.

189 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 7:26:23am
Explosions in Yemen’s capital rocked two mosques serving a minority Muslim group that recently conquered the city

Who is this group that “conquered the city”?

190 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 7:26:49am

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

The mod the F35B will receive will allow it to drop SDBs. Keep in mind that the F-35A and F-35C are already able to deliver those weapons.

SDB: Small Diameter Bomb. We use them to kill terrorists while minimizing collateral damage.

Dark, they’re downplaying the mod to the airframe because the reality is that even if the F-35B could carry them, they can’t use them because the software is running years behind schedule.

191 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 7:27:29am
192 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 7:27:31am
193 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 7:27:42am

re: #189 The Mother Of All Pies

Houthis.

bbc.com

194 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 7:28:12am

re: #192 The Mother Of All Pies

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The sun is being eaten! Quickly, begin sacrificing the virgins!!

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195 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 7:28:16am

re: #191 Lidane

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NHL is still 98% white.

196 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 7:28:32am

re: #186 darthstar

Jesus

I’ve got a friend from Sana’a now living in the USA. Her parents have left Yemen, too, as her mom is Russian and her dad has a passport. Not sure about her other family members, so I hope they are all right.

197 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 7:29:07am

re: #191 Lidane

Is Bryan Fischer derping? Must be a day ending in -day. (Checks to confirm). Yes, it is a day, ending in -day.

198 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 7:29:43am

re: #191 Lidane

I could ask why 95% of Fox News broadcasters are white and 100% are terminally stupid.

199 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 7:30:20am

Obama administration to unveil rules for oil companies that frack on federal land - @politico

The Interior Department is set to announce major restrictions on the controversial drilling technique. Expect blowback.

Read more: politico.com

200 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:30:21am

FOR A FUCKING FUNERAL…I hate misleading headlines.

201 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 7:31:02am

re: #200 darthstar

FOR A FUCKING FUNERAL…I hate misleading headlines.

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Whoops, wrong button.

202 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:31:05am

re: #198 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I could ask why 95% of Fox News broadcasters are white and 100% are terminally stupid.

Fortune 500 executives. Apply that to gender also. There’s a lot of African Americans in the NFL because more African Americans play college football and thus get drafted into the NFL. But I can’t expect Mr. Dumbass to understand things like that.

203 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 20, 2015 7:32:00am

re: #178 lawhawk

The Air Force is desperately trying to stave off the day when semi-autonomous drones take over aerial combat. Their air-to-air missiles are already autonomous drones. A drone can pull as many G’s as the airframe can stand, doesn’t require life support or the on board systems to make data man-readable, and can remain aloft for as long as it has fuel.
The Navy’s X-47B semi-autonomous drone aircraft has already made successful catapult launches and arrested landings from the carrier deck. Inasmuch as making an arrested landing on a carrier at sea is one of the most difficult feats in aviation, I’d say that the drones are coming to stay.

204 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:32:01am

re: #199 Justanotherhuman

Obama administration to unveil rules for oil companies that frack on federal land - @politico

The Interior Department is set to announce major restrictions on the controversial drilling technique. Expect blowback.

Read more: politico.com

In a just world, it would be controversial that they’re fracking on federal land not zomg regulations.

205 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:32:41am
206 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 7:33:22am

re: #203 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The Air Force is desperately trying to stave off the day when semi-autonomous drones take over aerial combat. Their air-to-air missiles are already autonomous drones. A drone can pull as many G’s as the airframe can stand, doesn’t require life support or the on board systems to make data man-readable, and can remain aloft for as long as it has fuel.
The Navy’s X-47B semi-autonomous drone aircraft has already made successful catapult launches and arrested landings from the carrier deck. Inasmuch as making an arrested landing on a carrier at sea is one of the most difficult feats in aviation, I’d say that the drones are coming to stay.

And when a drone dies, you don’t need a bugler.

207 Varek Raith  Mar 20, 2015 7:33:46am

WTF.
The F-22 is being upgraded to drop jdams?
It’s a freaking air superiority fighter, not an attack plane.
WTF is with the Pentagon in making jack-of-all-trades planes?
It doesn’t work.

208 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 7:33:55am

A rough outline of the battle: Fiscal hawks are insisting that the GOP abide by the spending caps imposed four years ago by the Budget Control Act of 2011—aka the sequester—while defense hawks are demanding that lawmakers break the caps to provide additional cash to the nation’s military to help fight ISIS. Neither group appears willing to cave on what each says is its top priority.

Faced with finding a compromise between an immovable object and an unstoppable force, House Budget Chairman Tom Price on Tuesday attempted some numerical sleight of hand. He stuck to the sequester’s $523 billion cap on defense spending for next year, but proposed funneling an extra $40 billion or so to the Pentagon via a separate emergency war fund that is not subject to the 2011 limits. The accounting gimmick threaded the needle on paper but failed to do the same on Capitol Hill.

209 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 7:33:58am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

And a lot of fracking was planned and done and policies passed before he even took office.

210 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 7:35:28am

re: #186 darthstar

Yet again, the target of Islamic terrorists are Muslims that the terror groups deem insufficiently Muslim (they don’t adhere to the terrorists’ worldview). Other than 9/11, Islamic terror groups that claim to carry out jihad against the West and US in particular continue to slaughter more Muslims than any other group other there.

The targets of this terrorism are Muslims. And continue to be Muslims.

If you want to stop this terrorism, you’ve got to get other Muslims to fight. So, unlike the Islamophobes and xenophobes of the Geller/Bolton variety (to say nothing of the RWNJ nuke’em all types), you need to try and work with some segment of Muslims to continue the fight.

The problem is deducing which groups to work with, who might falter, leaving the weapons in the hands of those who you’re trying to fight, and what countries to work with.

For the GOP, everything is black and white (or should I say blue and white) since their ME vision appears to start/stop with Israel and little else. They don’t quite grasp the nuances involved, or that saying you’ll support X means you inadvertently give support to Y, who you don’t want to help (see Syria, Assad, ISIL, Iran, and rebel groups).

211 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 7:35:41am

re: #207 Varek Raith

WTF.
The F-22 is being upgraded to drop jdams?
It’s a freaking air superiority fighter, not an attack plane.
WTF is with the Pentagon in making jack-of-all-trades planes?
It doesn’t work.

The Air Force has to find some way to justify the cost of these birds, in the face of the reality that the F-15 does everything the F-22 can and more, is still in production, and can be made stealthy for a fraction of the cost.

212 Timothy Watson  Mar 20, 2015 7:36:40am

re: #207 Varek Raith

WTF.
The F-22 is being upgraded to drop jdams?
It’s a freaking air superiority fighter, not an attack plane.
WTF is with the Pentagon in making jack-of-all-trades planes?
It doesn’t work.

But the congresscritters’ corporate sponsors demand it!

One of my professors when I was working on my bachelor’s degree was a former Colonel in the United States Marine Corps and knew a lot of different people and had a lot of stories.

He was talking about a congressional hearing where they had put money in the budget for the USAF to get another 90 C-130s (or something similar). The USAF General said, “Congressman, we really don’t kneed those airplanes.” The Congressman said, “Well, that’s too bad, you’re getting them.”

213 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 7:37:10am

re: #208 Lidane

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Who knew that, robbed of their convenient cover of just blaming failure to pass a workable budget on Democrats, the GOP would become even more clown shoes?

214 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 7:38:13am

re: #207 Varek Raith

It’s a hangar queen in search of a mission. If it doesn’t have a mission, you need to invent one in order to keep pilots busy, because they need to have the training and airtime to be current. Without current pilots, you can’t fly the plane - leaving it in the hangar.

215 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:38:34am

re: #212 Timothy Watson

But the congresscritters’ corporate sponsors demand it!

One of my professors when I was working on my bachelor’s degree was a former Colonel in the United States Marine Corps and knew a lot of different people and had a lot of stories.

He was talking about a congressional hearing where they had put money in the budget for the USAF to get another 90 C-130s (or something similar). The USAF General said, “Congressman, we really don’t kneed those airplanes.” The Congressman said, “Well, that’s too bad, you’re getting them.”

Reminds me of when Lyin’ Paul Ryan told the Joint Chiefs that they were lying about the waste in the defense budget. You forfeit any right to be taken seriously on the budget when you not only refuse to cut the defense budget but actually think increases are needed.

216 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 7:39:11am

re: #213 Targetpractice

Who knew that, robbed of their convenient cover of just blaming failure to pass a workable budget on Democrats, the GOP would become even more clown shoes?

It’s not clownish. What it is is a internal fight Republicans need to have. We’ve got to work out priorities and sometimes that gets messy.

217 A Cranky One  Mar 20, 2015 7:39:46am

re: #212 Timothy Watson

But the congresscritters’ corporate sponsors demand it!

One of my professors when I was working on my bachelor’s degree was a former Colonel in the United States Marine Corps and knew a lot of different people and had a lot of stories.

He was talking about a congressional hearing where they had put money in the budget for the USAF to get another 90 C-130s (or something similar). The USAF General said, “Congressman, we really don’t kneed those airplanes.” The Congressman said, “Well, that’s too bad, you’re getting them.”

Not to mention the $436 million for new Abrams tanks that the Army says it doesn’t need or want.

Corporate welfare. Sigh.

218 Varek Raith  Mar 20, 2015 7:40:14am

It’s like the Zumwalt.
Cram in as much hi-tech shit as they can and for what?
A 3 billion dollar destroyer.

219 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:40:18am

re: #208 Lidane

So now we see the brilliance in Obama’s getting a one-year budget out of them. It’s March…they have about six months to get their shit together before the pressure really starts to build. They won’t get help from the Democrats, and half their party is developmentally disabled (politically, economically, and socially), so they’re fucked.

220 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:41:02am

They fuck themselves because they refuse to live in reality.Maybe if they had a set ideology other than Oppose Obama, they’d be doing better.

221 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 7:41:43am

Clown Shoes DNA is now a requirement for the GOP.

222 Varek Raith  Mar 20, 2015 7:42:15am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

They fuck themselves because they refuse to live in reality.Maybe if they had a set ideology other than Oppose Obama, they’d be doing better.

Easy.
Have Obama come out as opposing Obama policies.

223 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 20, 2015 7:43:05am

re: #207 Varek Raith

WTF.
The F-22 is being upgraded to drop jdams?
It’s a freaking air superiority fighter, not an attack plane.
WTF is with the Pentagon in making jack-of-all-trades planes?
It doesn’t work.

One of the Allies’ lucky breaks in WWII was the Nazi high command’s insistence that the Me-262 be able to act as a light bomber. The subsequent delays enabled Allied forces to knobble the 262 by taking out fuel and parts suppliers. Despite its late introduction and small numbers, German pilots claimed to have downed 542 Allied aircraft with it.

224 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:43:07am

re: #222 Varek Raith

Easy.
Have Obama come out as opposing Obama policies.

Brilliant. *Guinness*

225 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 7:43:16am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

It’s not clownish. What it is is a internal fight Republicans need to have. We’ve got to work out priorities and sometimes that gets messy.

“Work out priorities”? What you have on display, Dark, is proof that the GOP has built a majority on a marriage of convenience. And like all such unions, it’s falling apart under the least bit of pressure.

226 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 20, 2015 7:43:39am

re: #159 Targetpractice

What it tells me is that this bird has absolutely no growth potential. They’re trying to thread the needle of developing a cyberwarfare pod that doesn’t compromise its stealth, but which will mean compromising something else, whether it be speed, range, or maneuverability. All so they can get ahead of questions about its survivability amongst Congressmen who are already skeptical about the need for the program.

And trying to argue it is good at Close Air Support so they can kill off the A-10. Jack of all Trades, Master of None. Since the military is so big on acronyms, I suggest they call the F-35 the JATMN fighter.

227 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 7:43:50am

WEEKENDS ARE FOR COMMUNISTS. REAL MURICANS WORK 24/7.

Two Wisconsin state lawmakers have proposed a bill that would roll back the state’s requirement that companies give workers at least one day off every seven days.

Currently, state law mandates a 24-hour rest period every seven days for employees in factory and mercantile workplaces. The bill would create an exemption allowing workers to voluntarily opt out of the rest period and keep working more than seven consecutive days.

228 Varek Raith  Mar 20, 2015 7:46:23am

The main problem with these new weapons systems is their insane costs.
We can only build a few of them.
Sometimes, numbers matter far more than tech.

229 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 7:46:54am

re: #227 Lidane

Treadmills for real working people, shorter workdays for them? Fuck ‘em.

230 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 20, 2015 7:47:24am

As an addendum, Robert Farley at Lawyers, Guns & Money has long been stumping that the Air Force should be absorbed back into the other services. I’ve sort of come around to his view, esp. given how the fundies have taken over the AF Academy.

lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com

(I say that as the son of an AF Vietnam Vet who was born at the military base in Tacoma).

231 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 7:47:50am

re: #219 darthstar

So now we see the brilliance in Obama’s getting a one-year budget out of them. It’s March…they have about six months to get their shit together before the pressure really starts to build. They won’t get help from the Democrats, and half their party is developmentally disabled (politically, economically, and socially), so they’re fucked.

We all know that the GOP will not get their shit together in six months. They’ll pass a shitshow of a budget about an hour before we go into default, and not a moment sooner.

232 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:47:53am

re: #227 Lidane

WEEKENDS ARE FOR COMMUNISTS. REAL MURICANS WORK 24/7.

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There’s that pro family party again in action.

233 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:48:10am

re: #227 Lidane

WEEKENDS ARE FOR COMMUNISTS. REAL MURICANS WORK 24/7.

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This is an attempt to kill overtime pay. Good luck with that, Wisconsin.

234 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 7:48:59am

re: #227 Lidane

WEEKENDS ARE FOR COMMUNISTS. REAL MURICANS WORK 24/7.

WI is drawing closer and closer to Chinese labor standards. I’m waiting for the sweatshops employing teenage farm girls to make cheap shoes and handbags.

235 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 7:49:05am

re: #227 Lidane

WEEKENDS ARE FOR COMMUNISTS. REAL MURICANS WORK 24/7.

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The bill would create an exemption allowing workers to voluntarily opt out of the rest period and keep working more than seven consecutive days.

Just like “opting out” of mandatory overtime. We all know that shit is NEVER voluntary.

236 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:49:26am

re: #231 Lidane

We all know that the GOP will not get their shit together in six months. They’ll pass a shitshow of a budget about an hour before we go into default, and not a moment sooner.

They’ll pass a CR, then another, then another, and then it’ll be an issue for the GOP presidential candidate that his party can’t pass a budget with the majority.

237 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 7:49:36am

re: #233 darthstar

This is an attempt to kill overtime pay. Good luck with that, Wisconsin.

They’ve been pretty successful so far.

238 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:50:15am

re: #235 The Mother Of All Pies

Just like “opting out” of mandatory overtime. We all know that shit is NEVER voluntary.

Would you care for time and a half pay? No? Great…please work an extra three hours anyway.

239 Timothy Watson  Mar 20, 2015 7:50:43am

re: #235 The Mother Of All Pies

Just like “opting out” of mandatory overtime. We all know that shit is NEVER voluntary.

Voluntary in the same way that certain statements made to the police are “voluntary”.

240 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:51:15am

They really want this to be an oligarchy. Not even hiding it.

241 Varek Raith  Mar 20, 2015 7:51:36am

re: #235 The Mother Of All Pies

Just like “opting out” of mandatory overtime. We all know that shit is NEVER voluntary.

Jeez, I remember when Target pulled that shit on us back in 2007.

242 Dr. Matt  Mar 20, 2015 7:51:55am

re: #195 The Mother Of All Pies

NHL is still 98% white.

I imagine that figure is about the same for the PGA and the LPGA.

243 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 7:52:17am

re: #234 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

WI is drawing closer and closer to Chinese labor standards. I’m waiting for the sweatshops employing teenage farm girls to make cheap shoes and handbags.

Why do you think Hyundai and KIA are building plants in Alabama and Georgia?

244 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 7:53:03am

re: #223 Higgs Boson’s Mate

One of the Allies’ lucky breaks in WWII was the Nazi high command’s insistence that the Me-262 be able to act as a light bomber. The subsequent delays enabled Allied forces to knobble the 262 by taking out fuel and parts suppliers. Despite its late introduction and small numbers, German pilots claimed to have downed 542 Allied aircraft with it.

The Me-262 was certainly a marvel of engineering, but it was also a waste of resources at a time when the Reich could barely afford it. Hitler’s directive didn’t really make much difference in the deployment of the plane, as the factories would have still needed to be moved to avoid the strategic bombing campaign. And once the oil refineries were bombed into bits, it didn’t really matter. Like a lot of programs pursued by the Germans, it was a waste of resources that could have gone into building proven weapons of war.

245 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 7:53:37am

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Why do you think Hyundai and KIA are building plants in Alabama and Georgia?

How does the UAW fare in those states? Somebody makes cars in Atlanta. VW, maybe?

246 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 7:53:46am

re: #242 Dr. Matt

I imagine that figure is about the same for the PGA and the LPGA.

LPGA is more diverse as there are a lot of Asian players in the top tier.

I’ve been playing a lot of golf lately…I like it.

247 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 20, 2015 7:53:48am

re: #233 darthstar

This is an attempt to kill overtime pay. Good luck with that, Wisconsin.

How is that aimed at overtime pay? There are still federal laws re: working more than a certain number of hours for hourly workers (with numerous notable exceptions). Unless the workers are going to be assigned to work 5 hours a day.

(I don’t agree with the change, but I don’t see the angle there).

248 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 7:53:49am

re: #227 Lidane

WEEKENDS ARE FOR COMMUNISTS. REAL MURICANS WORK 24/7.

WTFITS?

249 gwangung  Mar 20, 2015 7:56:29am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

It’s not clownish. What it is is a internal fight Republicans need to have. We’ve got to work out priorities and sometimes that gets messy.

If they look like a clown, if they act like a clown, then…

Unlike Republicans, most of us look at what they do, not what they say they are….

250 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 7:56:40am

re: #245 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How does the UAW fare in those states? Somebody makes cars in Atlanta. VW, maybe?

They’re trying. AFAIK, there are no certified shops in the state.

usatoday.com

251 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:57:31am

re: #249 gwangung

If they look like a clown, if they act like a clown, then…

Unlike Republicans, most of us look at what they do, not what they say they are….

Bolded for truth.

252 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 7:58:45am

re: #227 Lidane

WEEKENDS ARE FOR COMMUNISTS. REAL MURICANS WORK 24/7.

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Currently, state law mandates a 24-hour rest period every seven days for employees in factory and mercantile workplaces. The bill would create an exemption allowing workers to voluntarily opt out of the rest period and keep working more than seven consecutive days.

“Look, I need you to work tomorrow. I can’t find a replacement on such short notice. What’s that, you don’t want to? Well, do you want to still have a job? You do? Well then, I guess I’ll see you tomorrow.”

253 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 20, 2015 8:00:02am

re: #195 The Mother Of All Pies

NHL is still 98% white.

A couple of reasons for this: The sport is probably the most international of the major five sports (along with futbol), but mostly from the Scandinavian and northern asian former soviet states - and Canada. The U.S. players primarily come from northern midwestern and upper east coast areas, many of which have low minority populations anyway.

2) It’s hella expensive compared to the other four major sports, especially for a goalie. (none of the equipment is provided for you by a school). You’ve got to pay for ice time, equipment, league fees, etc., which is why, at least in dallas when I was there, the ice rink was in the tony suburbs and not downtown (not Reunion, but the facility where league teams played).

254 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 8:01:10am

This should go over well in Boston:

255 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:04:31am

re: #254 Lidane

This should go over well in Boston:

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I’m sure Robert Kraft is just devastated by the FRC calling his team satanic and questioning his patriotism. I can’t stand NE as a football team but what they did here is really admirable. The FRC are the unpatriotic ones considering their love of policies that would make gay people second class citizens.

256 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 8:04:41am

And, of course, in a couple years when so many employers find that their employees never choose to “opt out” of working eight or more days in a row, WI lawmakers will declare that the “choice” is actually unnecessary regulation and abolish it entirely. After all, if any employee didn’t want to work without a day of rest, they’d find another job, right?

257 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 8:05:32am

re: #254 Lidane

This should go over well in Boston:

Stay classy, FRC wingnuts

258 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 8:06:33am
259 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 8:06:50am
260 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:07:01am

I had forgotten to mention that the FRC also used David Duke’s mailing list to look for prospective supporters. Yeah you’re real patriotic guys.

261 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:07:51am

re: #259 darthstar

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He doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about per usual.

262 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 8:08:29am

re: #259 darthstar

Deep Thoughts from Real Dr. Ben Carson.

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263 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:09:10am

This year’s solar eclipse over the Faroe Islands looked great. They’ll be one in March 2016 in this part of the world, and another across the USA in August 2017. With luck, I’ll get to see both.

The 2009 solar eclipse in China was my third total eclipse so far.

264 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 8:09:15am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about per usual.

It’s only four million people. Make it a fun event…a parade across the desert. Wait…didn’t someone do this a couple thousand years ago?

265 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 8:09:18am

re: #258 lawhawk

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And you’ll note the utter lack of hysteria from wingnuts about the cost of such a trip to taxpayers.

266 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:10:21am

re: #265 Targetpractice

And you’ll note the utter lack of hysteria from wingnuts about the cost of such a trip to taxpayers.

That’s different.//

267 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 8:11:40am

re: #259 darthstar

Sure hope he doesn’t run into any TSA problems on the return trip.

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268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:11:51am

re: #262 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Deep Thoughts from Real Dr. Ben Carson.

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I’m sure the Egyptians won’t mind at all.

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Carson is digging a deeper hole to jump in.

Totally OT, I just caught sight of a CNBC talking head dude wearing a red plaid sport coat.

Red plaid. Who let this guy on air dressed like that?

269 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 8:13:23am

re: #256 Targetpractice

They’ll be told to go to work for Chick-Fil-A which closes on Sunday.

But hey! Will that affect Chick-Fil-A in WI and will they have to stay open 7 days? Or don’t they have them in WI?

270 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 8:13:57am

re: #259 darthstar

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The more comments like this, the more I look forward to the GOP primary debates. If only to watch Carson say shit like this, and then watch the reactions from the other hopefuls as they try to explain just how stupid an idea that is.

271 sagehen  Mar 20, 2015 8:14:11am

re: #247 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

How is that aimed at overtime pay? There are still federal laws re: working more than a certain number of hours for hourly workers (with numerous notable exceptions). Unless the workers are going to be assigned to work 5 hours a day.

(I don’t agree with the change, but I don’t see the angle there).

Because the salary level that corresponds to “managerial” classification, which has no overtime, is a set dollar figure that hasn’t changed in 20 years. It certainly hasn’t kept up with inflation.

272 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 8:14:19am

re: #258 lawhawk

Hope Boehner enjoys his trip through the TSA line.

273 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 8:14:21am

re: #268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Totally OT, I just caught sight of a CNBC talking head dude wearing a red plaid sport coat.

Red plaid. Who let this guy on air dressed like that?

A stylist and/or producer who hates him.

274 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 8:14:45am

re: #258 lawhawk

Is FN paying for this? Or are us livid taxpayers?

275 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:14:50am

re: #273 Lidane

A stylist and/or producer who hates him.

Cha-ching!

276 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 8:15:25am

re: #273 Lidane

A stylist and/or producer who hates him.

Or a wife who just doesn’t give a shit anymore.

277 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:15:51am

re: #272 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hope Boehner enjoys his trip through the TSA line.

I don’t think Congress-critters have to go through regular people’s TSA lines. They get the special lane, I’ll betcha.

278 b_sharp  Mar 20, 2015 8:16:26am

re: #127 lawhawk

First day of spring, and NYC metro gearing up for 2-4 or more inches of snow. Wonderful. The glacial retreat had finally managed to allow my planting beds to resurface after a long and dark winter. Now? A reminder that local weather does not global warming prove or disprove.

Global temperatures that continue to rise? That’s a sign of global warming.

And another reminder? The folks who ginned up the term climate change? That’d be GOP spin doctors who were unwilling to accept global warming, but knew something was afoot but were afraid to fully step out from the GOP big tent of denialism.

Well, no. Luntz did convince the GOP to change their use of AGW to CC in 2003 because it sounded less scary, but the term has been in common use since the early ’70s. The use of the term climate change predates the use of global warming. When the WMO started IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) in 1988 climate change was already the formal term.

279 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 8:17:26am

re: #270 Targetpractice

The more comments like this, the more I look forward to the GOP primary debates. If only to watch Carson say shit like this, and then watch the reactions from the other hopefuls as they try to explain just how stupid an idea that is.

Even that pinko commie librul Hugh Hewitt was stuck trying to explain away Carson’s idiocy as “unique”.

Whoever is telling Ben Carson that he’s presidential material is either delusional or they hate him and want to see him humiliated.

280 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 8:18:28am

Addressing many of the issues discussed above, and then some. Like the inability to fly twice in 12 hours, particularly in bad weather because the plane might be adversely affected by lightning strikes (fuel storage and keeping vapors in depleted fuel tanks inert).

281 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 8:19:33am

re: #258 lawhawk

And see how sneakily FN tries to blame the “deteriorating relationship” with Israel on Obama?

“Republicans have been highly critical of President Barack Obama over the deteriorating relationship with Israel.”

282 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:20:00am

re: #279 Lidane

Even that pinko commie librul Hugh Hewitt was stuck trying to explain away Carson’s idiocy as “unique”.

Whoever is telling Ben Carson that he’s presidential material is either delusional or they hate him and want to see him humiliated.

Stepin Fetchit with a medical degree?

283 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 8:20:24am

re: #259 darthstar

Egypt wanted no part of Gaza. They made Israel take Gaza when conducting the Camp David Accords. Israel relinquished Sinai and forcibly removed dozens of settlements in the process. Egypt got to avoid taking back the rat’s nest that was Gaza even then.

Egypt wants nothing to do with Gaza even now, which is why Egypt is doing all it can to build fencing and improving security between Sinai and Gaza. That continues long after Sadat was assassinated in 1981.

284 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 8:21:20am

Worst. Socialist. EVAR.

285 Bass Reeves  Mar 20, 2015 8:21:21am

re: #280 lawhawk

As a result of this discussion, I found that an article about that report about an hour ago, and now I will no longer be able to sleep tonight because of rage.

Seriously, put that thing down, make Lockheed pay the money back in installments, and move on.

286 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 8:23:06am

re: #279 Lidane

“Whoever is telling Ben Carson that he’s presidential material is either delusional or they hate him and want to see him humiliated.”

Well, he’s Black, so he’ll go into their trash heap with Allen West and Herman Cain.

287 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:23:32am

re: #284 Lidane

Deficit increases under Republican administrations, deficit decreases under Democratic administrations, yet somehow the Dems are the spendthrifts.

288 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 8:23:54am

re: #284 Lidane

Worst. Socialist. EVAR.

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Well, that’s obviously due to the work of the GOP. No way the President would have been stopped from spending us into bankruptcy otherwise.

289 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:24:25am

re: #284 Lidane

Worst. Socialist. EVAR.

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Remind me again which party is the fiscally conservative one and which one isn’t?

290 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:25:07am

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

“Whoever is telling Ben Carson that he’s presidential material is either delusional or they hate him and want to see him humiliated.”

Well, he’s Black, so he’ll go into their trash heap with Allen West and Herman Cain.

Well, it could also be the smart AA politicians avoid the current GOP like the plague. Colin Powell pretty much cut his ties when he endorsed Obama.

291 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:25:14am

re: #287 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Deficit increases under Republican administrations, deficit decreases under Democratic administrations, yet somehow the Dems are the spendthrifts.

Yep, I was thinking the same. Really the GOP was actually interestingly enough more closer to being a fiscally conservative party when they were actually a more liberal party overall.

292 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 8:25:48am

Whoa!

President Obama calls on Iran to immediately release Saeed Abedini, Amir Hekmati and Jason Rezaian, to help find Robert Levinson, White House says - @Reuters
end of alert

293 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 8:25:49am

re: #287 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Deficit increases under Republican administrations, deficit decreases under Democratic administrations, yet somehow the Dems are the spendthrifts.

Republicans will just say that Obama’s deficit reduction is due to the carryover of GOP economic policies and having Republicans keep his spendy ways in line.

They’d say the same thing about Clinton, but they’re still trying to recover from the masterful bitchslap Bubba gave them in 2012.

294 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 8:26:45am

And, like that the GOP attempts to insert itself into foreign affairs again, affecting diplomacy (which is the purview of the Executive Branch) by attempting to cut funding (a Congressional perogative).

The outcome will be as expected. Congressional GOPers will be unable to stop funding, or only do so by harming other programs of vital national importance.

295 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:26:52am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Yep, I was thinking the same. Really the GOP was actually interestingly enough more closer to being a fiscally conservative party when they were actually a more liberal party overall.

Their economic policy has been poisoned by the supply side economists and the Laffer Curve, despite all empirical evidence that this policy is an abject failure.

296 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 8:27:56am

re: #290 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, it could also be the smart AA politicians avoid the current GOP like the plague. Colin Powell pretty much cut his ties when he endorsed Obama.

Heh, did I say Allen West, Herman Cain and Ben Carson were all that smart? : )

297 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 8:28:00am

There was some idiot in my Timeline all HURR HURR U JUST WANT FREE STUFF!!!!! U HAVE NO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!!! after I posted a meme comparing U.S. higher education costs to other first-world countries.

Then I saw the fuckbag had only 6 followers so I just blocked it.

298 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:28:23am

re: #295 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Their economic policy has been poisoned by the supply side economists and the Laffer Curve, despite all empirical evidence that this policy is an abject failure.

Yep.

299 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 8:28:47am

re: #294 lawhawk

And, like that the GOP attempts to insert itself into foreign affairs again, affecting diplomacy (which is the purview of the Executive Branch) by attempting to cut funding (a Congressional perogative).

The outcome will be as expected. Congressional GOPers will be unable to stop funding, or only do so by harming other programs of vital national importance.

Doesn’t even make any sense. It’s not a line item. Rhetoric.

300 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:31:41am

re: #299 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Doesn’t even make any sense. It’s not a line item. Rhetoric.

I’d prefer them to hold their breath until they get their way, or pass out, preferably the second.

I am very sure that Obama will breath a heavy sigh of relief when he steps down in 2017. Dealing with these congressional children must drive him nuts.

301 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 8:32:06am
302 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 8:32:52am

re: #277 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I don’t think Congress-critters have to go through regular people’s TSA lines. They get the special lane, I’ll betcha.

There is an Air Force jet reserved for the speaker’s official use, and this is an official trip.

303 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 8:33:05am

re: #300 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I am very sure that Obama will breath a heavy sigh of relief when he steps down in 2017. Dealing with these congressional children must drive him nuts.

I’m looking forward to his memoirs. I hope he unloads on these petulant children.

304 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 8:33:38am

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

There is an Air Force jet reserved for the speaker’s official use, and this is an official trip.

An official trip to do what?

305 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:33:45am

re: #301 Lidane

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What the fuck. I swear fundies, I know you’re losing this battle and it’s driving you crazy but it would be nice if for once you could stop equating people who disagree with you to Satan and then stop acting like you’re so offended that people are calling you bigots.

306 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 8:34:35am

re: #304 Targetpractice

An official trip to do what?

Go somewhere he can smoke indoors.

307 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:34:39am

re: #304 Targetpractice

An official trip to do what?

Fuck with Obama, and kiss Bibi’s ass. On our nickel, of course.

308 Mattand  Mar 20, 2015 8:35:08am

re: #304 Targetpractice

An official trip to do what?

Fuck over the president and the country in a desperate flailing attempt to grab power.

You know, the Republican way of governing.

309 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:35:15am

re: #307 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Fuck with Obama, and kiss Bibi’s ass. On our nickel, of course.

That sadly is what he thinks his job is.

310 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 8:35:31am

re: #294 lawhawk

And, like that the GOP attempts to insert itself into foreign affairs again, affecting diplomacy (which is the purview of the Executive Branch) by attempting to cut funding (a Congressional perogative).

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The outcome will be as expected. Congressional GOPers will be unable to stop funding, or only do so by harming other programs of vital national importance.

The GOP continues to be a party of petulant children. They can’t get their way, so they’ll cause as much havoc as possible so nobody gets what they want.

311 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:36:05am

re: #308 Mattand

Fuck over the president and the country in a desperate flailing attempt to grab power.

You know, the Republican way of governing.

Wavng his small Boehner around in otherwords for all of Israel to see.

312 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 8:36:11am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

What the fuck. I swear fundies, I know you’re losing this battle and it’s driving you crazy but it would be nice if for once you could stop equating people who disagree with you to Satan and then stop acting like you’re so offended that people are calling you bigots.

I read that as “I wear fundies”

313 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 8:36:34am

re: #304 Targetpractice

An official trip to do what?

Inter-legislative relations and fact-finding will be the official rational.

314 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 8:37:07am

This is fucking not Boehner’s job, goddamn it. He’ll do anything to undercut this administration.

“Boehner “looks forward to visiting the country, discussing our shared priorities for peace and security in the region, and further strengthening the bond between the United States and Israel,” the speaker’s office said.”

cbsnews.com

315 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:37:42am

Boehner like Newt before him fancies himself Prime Minister.

316 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 8:37:50am

re: #294 lawhawk

And, like that the GOP attempts to insert itself into foreign affairs again, affecting diplomacy (which is the purview of the Executive Branch) by attempting to cut funding (a Congressional perogative).

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The outcome will be as expected. Congressional GOPers will be unable to stop funding, or only do so by harming other programs of vital national importance.

That just a letter being circulated, and it probably won’t make its way into legislation.

317 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 8:37:59am

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

Inter-legislative relations and fact-finding will be the official rational.

Kissing Bibi’s ass being the real reason. If he wants to cuddle up to his new bestest bud, he can do it on his own dime.

318 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 8:38:00am

re: #314 Justanotherhuman

This is fucking not Boehner’s job, goddamn it. He’ll do anything to undercut this administration.

“Boehner “looks forward to visiting the country, discussing our shared priorities for peace and security in the region, and further strengthening the bond between the United States and Israel,” the speaker’s office said.”

cbsnews.com

Just so long as he doesn’t extinguish his cigarette against the wailing wall.

319 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:38:03am

re: #314 Justanotherhuman

This is fucking not Boehner’s job, goddamn it. He’ll do anything to undercut this administration.

“Boehner “looks forward to visiting the country, discussing our shared priorities for peace and security in the region, and further strengthening the bond between the United States and Israel,” the speaker’s office said.”

cbsnews.com

If he wants to do that, maybe he should run for president.

320 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:38:25am

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

Inter-legislative relations and fact-finding will be the official rational.

Fact-finding is the all purpose reason for Congressional junkets. Senator Y is on a fact-finding trip to Aruba. Congressmen Z is on a fact-finding trip to Dubai.

So transparent.

321 darthstar  Mar 20, 2015 8:38:49am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

That just a letter being circulated, and it probably won’t make its way into legislation.

But think about how many signatures it will actually get. Your people. Your party.

322 Ace-o-aces  Mar 20, 2015 8:39:44am

re: #259 darthstar

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OK, while Israel’s agriculture has been remarkable, will people stop acting like the Arabs were unable to grow food themselves before 1947. There has been farming in the Middle East since literally the dawn of civilization. Yeah, Egypt does not grow food in the Sinai. That’s not because they can’t, but because they don’t have to. tTey have the Nile basin, some of the most fertile land in the entire world. Israel has to turn “the desert green”, because they had no other choice. They lacked enough arable land otherwise. Egypt doesn’t have that issue.

323 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 20, 2015 8:39:47am

Given that FOX News has been leading the cable news segment for years, and they have a spot on the front row of the WHPC, a spot on the lawn at the WH, host the president for interviews, etc., at what fucking point will they stop with the “Mainstream Media” bullshit? (rhetorical question, I know).

324 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 20, 2015 8:40:24am

re: #284 Lidane

Worst. Socialist. EVAR.

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Call me crazy, but I think I can discern a hint of a pattern in those numbers.

325 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 8:40:26am

re: #321 darthstar

And some Republican asshole will have it read into the Congressional Record.

Or even present it as a “resolution”.

Just wait.

326 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:41:31am

re: #323 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

“Mainstream media” is the euphemism for “librul media.”

327 Justanotherhuman  Mar 20, 2015 8:42:55am

BBL.

328 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 20, 2015 8:48:28am

re: #326 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Mainstream media” is the euphemism for “librul media.”

Yeah. I know. I use it as a “tell.” Anyone who uses Mainstream Media, (lamestream media, whatever) is someone I’m going to tend to dismiss. Same way with “Democrat Party” or, the new one, SJW’s (Social Justice Warriors) in a non-sarcastic manner.

329 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 8:50:56am

*facepalm*

330 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:51:44am

re: #328 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yeah. I know. I use it as a “tell.” Anyone who uses Mainstream Media, (lamestream media, whatever) is someone I’m going to tend to dismiss. Same way with “Democrat Party” or, the new one, SJW’s (Social Justice Warriors) in a non-sarcastic manner.

Fact is, most major media outlets are not that liberal. It’s just that they do a better job at being factual than, say, False Noise or Rush Limbo.

331 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 8:51:56am

re: #329 Lidane

*facepalm*

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Islamophobia still running strong.

332 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:52:33am

re: #331 Targetpractice

Islamophobia still running strong.

They’d be bankrupt without it. FNC knows only one model to getting to their viewers and that’s fear and hatred.

333 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:53:32am

re: #330 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Fact is, most major media outlets are not that liberal. It’s just that they do a better job at being factual than, say, False Noise or Rush Limbo.

What I find funny is they rag on the media for being liberal love to brag about how popular Rush and FNC are. They can’t decide whether they’re this scrappy underdog fighting the big bad liberal media or they’re the most popular so ha ha MSNBC you suck libtard.

334 sagehen  Mar 20, 2015 8:53:51am

re: #330 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Fact is, most major media outlets are not that liberal. It’s just that they do a better job at being factual than, say, False Noise or Rush Limbo.

They did used to be liberal — when CNN was Ted Turner’s property (before he turned it over to Time Warner), when NBC was the Sarnoff family’s exclusive domain (before it became a wholly-owned subsidiary of GE/Westinghouse), when CBS was under Paley control (before they sold it to Viacom)….

335 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:54:36am

re: #331 Targetpractice

Islamophobia still running strong.

Part of the general xenophobia in the nation, as are the attempts to make English the “official language.” BJ Fischer was derping earlier this week about bilingualism destroying the USA.

336 A Cranky One  Mar 20, 2015 8:54:49am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

They’d be bankrupt without it. FNC knows only one model to getting to their viewers and that’s fear and hatred.

I must take exception to this!

They have a second model to reach their viewers. Blonds in skirts. //////

337 Mattand  Mar 20, 2015 8:54:54am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

That just a letter being circulated, and it probably won’t make its way into legislation.

That’s not the damn point, and you know it.

338 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:55:39am

re: #336 A Cranky One

I must take exception to this!

They have a second model to reach their viewers. Blonds in skirts. //////

Ah true. Grandpa Wingnut needs his daily Megyn Kelly.

339 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:56:00am

re: #334 sagehen

They did used to be liberal — when CNN was Ted Turner’s property (before he turned it over to Time Warner), when NBC was the Sarnoff family’s exclusive domain (before it became a wholly-owned subsidiary of GE/Westinghouse), when CBS was under Paley control (before they sold it to Viacom)….

Right, but that was years ago. But we’re dealing with people who still think the Commies are a danger to our precious bodily fluids.

340 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 20, 2015 8:56:09am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

341 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 8:57:02am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

They’d be bankrupt without it. FNC knows only one model to getting to their viewers and that’s fear and hatred.

The only other methods I know of are amusement and tiitilation. Hope and knowledge don’t really get many people to watch TV.

342 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 8:58:27am

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

The only other methods I know of are amusement and tiitilation. Hope and knowledge don’t really get many people to watch TV.

You can still function as a news network without resembling a televised media offshoot of Stormfront ya know. I am glad you admit that Fox relies on exploiting the hatred and ignorance of its viewers though.

343 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 8:59:06am

re: #337 Mattand

That’s not the damn point, and you know it.

I’d argue it’s germane because you stated what you believed the outcome would likely be. I therefore added a clarification and stated an alternate outcome I felt was more likely.

344 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 8:59:26am

CLASSY AS ALWAYS==>

345 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:00:30am

re: #344 The Mother Of All Pies

CLASSY AS ALWAYS==>

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As I said years ago, the party/ideology of Rush Limbaugh has no business attacking anyone’s physical appearance.

346 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 9:00:58am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

You can still function as a news network without resembling a media offshoot of Stormfront ya know. I am glad you admit that Fox relies on exploiting the hatred and ignorance of its viewers though.

Why shouldn’t I? I stopped watching that crappy network a long time ago. Smack ‘em around all you want, I might even join you.

347 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 9:01:04am

re: #344 The Mother Of All Pies

More mature, cogent commentary from Little Ben.

348 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:02:21am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Why shouldn’t I? I stopped watching that crappy network a long time ago. Smack ‘em around all you want, I might even join you.

I know, it’s just that too often one brings up FNC and you get well MSNBC IS JUST AS BAD and it’s just not. FNC is a nasty network. It does make sense though knowing how Roger Ailles made his bones.

349 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:03:26am

re: #347 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

More mature, cogent commentary from Little Ben.

That guy looks like Eddie Munster but that’s not the reason why Benny is an uncredible prick pretzel.

350 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 9:03:36am

re: #344 The Mother Of All Pies

CLASSY AS ALWAYS==>

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Damn you, Hillary! Paul Ryan gave me that ray gun especially because it was less visible than throwing the old lady off a cliff! Now how are we going to cut social spending?!

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351 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 20, 2015 9:06:24am

Has someone mentioned this?
Adult Lawmaker Ruins Children's Bill Submission With Anti-Abortion Joke

A group of New Hampshire fourth-graders who traveled to the state’s capital in Concord to learn about the joys of civic engagement were given a surprisingly realistic picture of the American legislative process after one lawmaker used their bill—a proposal to name the red-tailed hawk the official state raptor—as an opportunity to rail against the evils of abortion.

House Bill 373—drafted, again by a group of nine- and 10-year-old elementary school students—was discussed on the New Hampshire House floor yesterday after the class managed to pass it through the body’s environment and agriculture committee.

Republican State Rep. Warren Groen said the following of the proposal:

“(The red-tailed hawk) mostly likes field mice and small rodents. It grasps them with its talons and then uses its razor sharp beak to rip its victims to shreds and then basically tear it apart, limb from limb. And I guess the shame about making this the state bird is it would make a much better mascot for Planned Parenthood.”

352 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:08:08am

re: #351 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Has someone mentioned this?
Adult Lawmaker Ruins Children’s Bill Submission With Anti-Abortion Joke

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There’s a page on it. What kind of dipshit takes a bill proposed by 9/10 year olds to turn into his bitchfest about Planned Parenthood? Ah that’s right. I see the party label now.

353 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 20, 2015 9:08:28am

re: #280 lawhawk

I’ve seen some terrible aircraft over the years. This one is Hall of Fame material: “The F-35B encountered difficulties carrying out attacks at certain angles during intense aerial conditions due to a degradation in the flight control system as missions progressed. ” IOW, “It doesn’t fly well to begin with and it gets worse the longer it’s airborne.”

354 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 9:08:42am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

I know, it’s just that too often one brings up FNC and you get well MSNBC IS JUST AS BAD and it’s just not. FNC is a nasty network. It does make sense though knowing how Roger Ailles made his bones.

I used to summon the Magical Balance Fairy to compare FNC and MSNBC, though with declining frequency. But I stopped some time ago, and after the “MUSLIM-SHARIA NO-GO ZONES!!1” debacle on Fox after the Charlie Hebdo attack the Magical Balance Fairy herself declared she’ll no longer respond to such summons.

/Kidding about the fairy, but I mean it when I say that particular episode put paid to any equivalence between Fox News and any branch of NBC News, fully and forever.

355 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:10:29am

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

I used to summon the Magical Balance Fairy to compare FNC and MSNBC, though with declining frequency. But I stopped some time ago, and after the “MUSLIM-SHARIA NO-GO ZONES!!1” debacle on Fox after the Charlie Hebdo attack the Magical Balance Fairy herself declared she’ll no longer respond to such summons.

/Kidding about the fairy, but I mean it when I say that particular episode put paid to any equivalence between Fox News and any branch of NBC News, fully and forever.

I mean the problem with FNC to me isn’t that they’ve got a conservative slant. Bias is inevitable but I have a huge problem with the fact that A) they outright lie i.e. your Muslim-Sharia no go example and B) relying on hatred and bigotry. It’s just a shitty network. Now I’m no fan of MSNBC and CNN for that matter either. I’d be more happy if our news media was more like NPR/the BBC in its presentation of the news.

356 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 20, 2015 9:11:14am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

I normally don’t scroll the pages so often. Should have checked.

Also, apparently, N.H. has 300 state legislators. How the fuck does that happen?

357 iossarian  Mar 20, 2015 9:12:16am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

There’s a page on it. What kind of dipshit takes a bill proposed by 9/10 year olds to turn into his bitchfest about Planned Parenthood? Ah that’s right. I see the party label now.

It’s the effect of the echo chamber. They just talk to each other about this shit all the time. Abortion killing babies terror death immigrant evil gays, over and over again. Then it just comes out in normal conversation.

Terrible thing, to live in fear.

358 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:12:16am

re: #356 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I normally don’t scroll the pages so often. Should have checked.

Also, apparently, N.H. has 300 state legislators. How the fuck does that happen?

It’s all good. I don’t know honestly since I don’t know much about NH. Very odd.

359 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:13:01am

re: #357 iossarian

It’s the effect of the echo chamber. They just talk to each other about this shit all the time. Abortion killing babies terror death immigrant evil gays, over and over again. Then it just comes out in normal conversation.

Terrible thing, to live in fear.

It’s why these people will never be happy. Guys like Groen can’t function without scapegoats.

360 iossarian  Mar 20, 2015 9:14:15am

re: #344 The Mother Of All Pies

Ben Shapiro has massive thigh fantasies, when he’s not figuring out what position he’ll get in the forthcoming Judeo-Christian theocracy of the United States.

361 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 9:17:38am

The initiative calls for “any person who willingly touches another person of the same gender for purposes of sexual gratification be put to death by bullets to the head or by any other convenient method.”

According to the Secretary of State’s office, “Upon receipt of the fee and request, the Attorney General will prepare a circulating title and summary, which will be the official summary of the initiative measure. (Elections Code section 9004(a).)”

While it is likely the proposal may never make it to the ballot due to lack of signatures or because it has been blocked by the California Supreme Court as unconstitutional, Harris is still compelled by law to title and describe the initiative for her fellow Californians.

362 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 20, 2015 9:17:58am

Yes, the House fucking Judiciary Committee has put out a press release composed entirely of GIFs against the president’s immigration orders.
At the Flick of a Switch - Press Releases - Judiciary Committee
I didn’t believe it when I saw it at LGM, but yes. It exists.

SMDH

363 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 9:18:27am

re: #344 The Mother Of All Pies

CLASSY AS ALWAYS==>

This is…really weird. Ben’s a weird dude who needs to be gainfully employed somewhere.

364 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 9:18:27am

re: #360 iossarian

Ben Shapiro has massive thigh fantasies, when he’s not figuring out what position he’ll get in the forthcoming Judeo-Christian theocracy of the United States.

He doesn’t know that Joel Rosenberg already has “Court Jew” lined up.

Sux 2 b u Ben

365 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:19:36am

re: #362 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yes, the House fucking Judiciary Committee has put out a press release composed entirely of GIFs against the president’s immigration orders.
At the Flick of a Switch - Press Releases - Judiciary Committee
I didn’t believe it when I saw it at LGM, but yes. It exists.

SMDH

You can tell they really respect the immigrants trying to make a better life here.

366 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 20, 2015 9:20:08am

re: #362 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yes, the House fucking Judiciary Committee has put out a press release composed entirely of GIFs against the president’s immigration orders.
At the Flick of a Switch - Press Releases - Judiciary Committee
I didn’t believe it when I saw it at LGM, but yes. It exists.

SMDH

The Republican House Fucking Judiciary Committee are some funny guys. That’s why I’m going to …. them last.

367 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 9:21:10am

re: #362 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Buzzfeed-style diplomacy. WTF.

Idiocracy is one step closer to real.

368 A Cranky One  Mar 20, 2015 9:22:17am

re: #362 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yes, the House fucking Judiciary Committee has put out a press release composed entirely of GIFs against the president’s immigration orders.
At the Flick of a Switch - Press Releases - Judiciary Committee
I didn’t believe it when I saw it at LGM, but yes. It exists.

SMDH

When their target audience gets exhausted after reading a sentence or two, pictures are the way to go.
/

369 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2015 9:23:51am
370 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 9:24:19am

re: #362 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yes, the House fucking Judiciary Committee has put out a press release composed entirely of GIFs against the president’s immigration orders.
At the Flick of a Switch - Press Releases - Judiciary Committee
I didn’t believe it when I saw it at LGM, but yes. It exists.

SMDH

This is what happens when you have the teenage spawn of GOP JC members working as interns for no pay.

371 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 20, 2015 9:25:14am

re: #362 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yes, the House fucking Judiciary Committee has put out a press release composed entirely of GIFs against the president’s immigration orders.
At the Flick of a Switch - Press Releases - Judiciary Committee
I didn’t believe it when I saw it at LGM, but yes. It exists.

SMDH

When your base is illiterate beyond reading the letter “R” you have to reach it the best way you can.

372 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 9:26:20am
373 Romantic Heretic  Mar 20, 2015 9:27:25am

re: #244 Targetpractice

The Me-262 was certainly a marvel of engineering, but it was also a waste of resources at a time when the Reich could barely afford it. Hitler’s directive didn’t really make much difference in the deployment of the plane, as the factories would have still needed to be moved to avoid the strategic bombing campaign. And once the oil refineries were bombed into bits, it didn’t really matter. Like a lot of programs pursued by the Germans, it was a waste of resources that could have gone into building proven weapons of war.

Biggest problem with the Schwalbe is the same one that plagues the US. They couldn’t make up their mind what its job was supposed to be. Plus the feudal system that was Nazi Germany meant every fiefdom was fighting to get their own jet fighter into service.

If they’d focused just a little I believe the Me-262 would have been in service a couple of years earlier. That would have ended the strategic bombing real quick.

374 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2015 9:27:27am

heh…

375 iossarian  Mar 20, 2015 9:29:03am

re: #372 The Mother Of All Pies

The Party of Stupid.

376 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 9:31:24am

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Please excuse me if I’m skeptical, given how DU thought Scott Walker would lose last year as would Bruce Rauner down here. Both Republicans won their gubernatorial races, and they weren’t close, either. So take what Democratic Underground says with a teaspoon of salt.

377 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2015 9:32:05am

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

LOL!

378 iossarian  Mar 20, 2015 9:32:28am

Here’s the problem the Republicans have wrt young people and messaging. Obama can go on Saturday Night Live or whatever and poke fun at himself while encouraging viewers to sign up for health insurance, because fundamentally people understand that the policy makes sense for them.

The Republican message essentially relies on people not being smart and just going along with soundbites. OBAMA CAN JUST LET ALL THE IMMIGRANTS IN NOW RUN AROUND SCREAMING. Etc.

So you can’t have Boehner or whoever crack wise with some hip-ish young comedian, because after one or two exchanges the sham becomes super-obvious. Instead they have to post gifs of actresses saying “whut?” and hope that no-one thinks too deeply about anything.

379 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:33:56am

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

Please excuse me if I’m skeptical, given how DU thought Scott Walker would lose last year as would Bruce Rauner down here. Both Republicans won their gubernatorial races, and they weren’t close, either. So take what Democratic Underground says with a teaspoon of salt.

Surely you’ve heard of buyers remorse.

380 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 9:34:01am

re: #373 Romantic Heretic

Biggest problem with the Schwalbe is the same one that plagues the US. They couldn’t make up their mind what its job was supposed to be. Plus the feudal system that was Nazi Germany meant every fiefdom was fighting to get their own jet fighter into service.

If they’d focused just a little I believe the Me-262 would have been in service a couple of years earlier. That would have ended the strategic bombing real quick.

Not so much. Most likely the British would have devoted extra efforts to getting the Gloster Meteor into service and the US P-80 Shooting Star would have had its development accelerated. And the 262’s engine troubles weren’t going away, not given Germany’s shortages of strategic metals such as tin.

381 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:35:21am

re: #378 iossarian

Here’s the problem the Republicans have wrt young people and messaging. Obama can go on Saturday Night Live or whatever and poke fun at himself while encouraging viewers to sign up for health insurance, because fundamentally people understand that the policy makes sense for them.

The Republican message essentially relies on people not being smart and just going along with soundbites. OBAMA CAN JUST LET ALL THE IMMIGRANTS IN NOW RUN AROUND SCREAMING. Etc.

So you can’t have Boehner or whoever crack wise with some hip-ish young comedian, because after one or two exchanges the sham becomes super-obvious. Instead they have to post gifs of actresses saying “whut?” and hope that no-one thinks too deeply about anything.

Right. It’s insulting. But I don’t expect much respect from a party that pretty much has all but admitted that it doesn’t like young people voting in large numbers because they know it’s bad for their power grip.

382 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 9:36:11am

re: #373 Romantic Heretic

Biggest problem with the Schwalbe is the same one that plagues the US. They couldn’t make up their mind what its job was supposed to be. Plus the feudal system that was Nazi Germany meant every fiefdom was fighting to get their own jet fighter into service.

If they’d focused just a little I believe the Me-262 would have been in service a couple of years earlier. That would have ended the strategic bombing real quick.

It didn’t really matter if they’d focused more on it, the strategic materials necessary to build the engines were in short supply, which meant there weren’t enough Jumo 004 engines to put the Me-262 into production until 1944 at the earliest. Not to mention focusing on it would have drawn away materials and workers from production of aircraft that were already in service and badly needed to replace losses on the Eastern front.

383 iossarian  Mar 20, 2015 9:36:29am

By the way, I’m totally ripping off the Buzzfeed gifs idea for my annual performance review self-evaluation.

Bullet point 1: Iossarian is only paid around the average level of people with similar job descriptions, according to payscale.com

[insert gif of JLaw saying “whut?”]

etc.

384 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 20, 2015 9:37:07am

re: #378 iossarian

That was the stupidest part to me is that the GIFs added absolutely nothing to the informational content of the press release. They clearly don’t understand how the medium works. (also, as noted elsewhere, all the gifs are of white women).

385 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:37:50am

They seem to think patronizing the electorate is actually a form of leadership.

386 iossarian  Mar 20, 2015 9:41:38am

Looking forward to the weekend. A big thank you goes out to socialists everywhere who made it happen!

387 Ace-o-aces  Mar 20, 2015 9:42:00am

Ah, I see it’s Zuhdi Jasser. Listen Zuhdi, when push comes to shove the wingnuts will still think of you as just another evil mooslim so stop sucking up the Fox news crowd.

388 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2015 9:42:26am
389 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 20, 2015 9:42:48am

re: #380 Dark_Falcon

Not so much. Most likely the British would have devoted extra efforts to getting the Gloster Meteor into service and the US P-80 Shooting Star would have had its development accelerated. And the 262’s engine troubles weren’t going away, not given Germany’s shortages of strategic metals such as tin.

I knew a pilot who flew Gloster Meteors. He said that it was a fine aircraft except for the fact that its fuel burn was such that its loiter time was only twenty minutes.

390 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 9:43:02am

‘That’s just how we roll’: Bristol Palin’s Medal of Honor fiance defends playing with an infant as gun sits feet away on table

The outspoken fiance of Bristol Palin can be seen playing with a newborn baby in a Instagram photo as a gun sits next to them on a side table.

Former Marine Dakota Meyer is holding the baby, identified as Rowan, with his gun by his side.

‘Just love the fact that there is a pistol laying on the little table behind you,’ wrote one person on the post.

‘That’s just how we roll haha,’ joked Meyer.

391 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 9:43:14am

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Controversial”? *sigh*

392 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:44:00am

re: #390 Dark_Falcon

‘That’s just how we roll’: Bristol Palin’s Medal of Honor fiance defends playing with an infant as gun sits feet away on table

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That’s just plain irresponsible parenting. Bristol would know a thing or two about that from her mother though.

393 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2015 9:44:08am

re: #391 Targetpractice

“Controversial”? *sigh*

Something about requiring companies to disclose what chemicals are in the fracking fluid.

394 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 9:44:24am

UCCCCH

395 gwangung  Mar 20, 2015 9:44:32am

re: #334 sagehen

They did used to be liberal — when CNN was Ted Turner’s property (before he turned it over to Time Warner), when NBC was the Sarnoff family’s exclusive domain (before it became a wholly-owned subsidiary of GE/Westinghouse), when CBS was under Paley control (before they sold it to Viacom)….

re: #351 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Has someone mentioned this?
Adult Lawmaker Ruins Children’s Bill Submission With Anti-Abortion Joke

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This IS the Republican party.

396 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 9:44:46am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

Something about requiring companies to disclose what chemicals are in the fracking fluid.

So, basically undoing all the stupidity of the Cheney years. “Controversial,” it ain’t.

397 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:45:17am

Controversial sure if you suck corporate tit.

398 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 9:45:28am

These people are certifiable:

399 iossarian  Mar 20, 2015 9:45:31am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

Something about requiring companies to disclose what chemicals are in the fracking fluid.

ZOMG how will capitalism survive this latest outrage?

400 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:46:40am

re: #398 Lidane

These people are certifiable:

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But remember liberals are hysterical and conservatives are rational, logical creatures.

401 iossarian  Mar 20, 2015 9:46:53am

Obama signs executive order forcing CEOs to swallow broken glass as part of fracking permit application.

402 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 9:47:21am

re: #391 Targetpractice

“Controversial”? *sigh*

Environmentalists wanted standards that would effectively ban most fracking, energy companies wanted standards that would give them maximum leeway in how they frack and what they use to do so. The DoE wrote rules that sit between those extremes, therefore the standards are ‘controversial’.

403 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 9:49:20am

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

Environmentalists wanted standards that would effectively ban most fracking, energy companies wanted standards that would give them maximum leeway in how they frack and what they use to do so. The DoE wrote rules that sit between those extremes, therefore the standards are ‘controversial’.

Oh, I imagine what is “controversial” is that standards are being applied at all. Much like the screaming over the EPA and coal plants, the idea that we should regulate industry to preserve clean air and water is “controversial.”

404 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2015 9:49:31am

How is your Friday.

It’s a bit cooler today, but promises to be a good day.

But not for everyone:
Winter makes late-season return to Northeast, rain and thunderstorms possible across Texas and Gulf Coast

405 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 9:49:49am

Watch wingnuts go totally apeshit with this==>

406 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:50:15am

re: #403 Targetpractice

Oh, I imagine what is “controversial” is that standards are being applied at all. Much like the screaming over the EPA and coal plants, the idea that we should regulate industry to preserve clean air and water is “controversial.”

Damned hippies and their desire for us to drink clean water.

407 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 20, 2015 9:50:15am

re: #398 Lidane

I’m confident that Sandy Rios will be among the first to give up her life for the cause. No, really.

408 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 9:50:26am
409 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:51:09am

re: #408 lawhawk

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Whoops.

410 wrenchwench  Mar 20, 2015 9:51:19am

re: #398 Lidane

These people are certifiable:

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411 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 20, 2015 9:51:37am

re: #408 lawhawk

The black woman is so far behind that she’s not in the picture.

412 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 9:51:56am

The fracking standards will be a classic compromise: Something nobody ‘s really happy with.

413 iossarian  Mar 20, 2015 9:53:38am

re: #405 The Mother Of All Pies

I have never heard of Laurence Tribe before. Is he consistently liberal on other legal issues?

My vague impression of Obama’s legal philosophy (as distinct from his overall political philosophy) is that it’s actually not all that progressive in terms of challenging the way in which conventional interpretations of the constitution (e.g., my personal bugbear, “freedom of speech”) can actually hamper efforts to protect disadvantaged members of society.

414 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 9:55:06am

re: #413 iossarian

I have never heard of Laurence Tribe before. Is he consistently liberal on other legal issues?

My vague impression of Obama’s legal philosophy (as distinct from his overall political philosophy) is that it’s actually not all that progressive in terms of challenging the way in which conventional interpretations of the constitution (e.g., my personal bugbear, “freedom of speech”) can actually hamper efforts to protect disadvantaged members of society.

How can Tribe be a “liberal icon” if nobody has ever even heard of him?

415 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2015 9:55:38am

re: #412 Dark_Falcon

The fracking standards will be a classic compromise: Something nobody ‘s really happy with.

I happen to enjoy clean water (and air).
A lot.

If the polluters aren’t happy about that, then I really don’t give a rat’s ass for their pain.

416 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:56:19am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

I happen to enjoy clean water (and air).
A lot.

If the polluters aren’t happy about that, then I really don’t give a rat’s ass for their pain.

Damn straight.

417 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 9:57:19am

re: #414 The Mother Of All Pies

How can Tribe be a “liberal icon” if nobody has ever even heard of him?

The same way that Saul Alinsky is a liberal icon when most people under 65 have never read him.

418 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:58:43am

re: #417 Lidane

The same way that Saul Alinsky is a liberal icon when most people under 65 have never read him.

or have heard of him. I never even heard of the man until he became a right wing boogeyman.

419 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 9:59:21am

Tribe does seem like he is a liberal but you know what, reasonable people do disagree and Tribe is acting on the behalf of a client.

420 iossarian  Mar 20, 2015 9:59:53am

re: #414 The Mother Of All Pies

How can Tribe be a “liberal icon” if nobody has ever even heard of him?

His wikipedia page suggests he’s pretty active as a “liberal” constitutional lawyer. I imagine he’s good on things like abortion rights.

But, yes, “liberal icon” is maybe pushing it a bit.

421 Pip's Squeak  Mar 20, 2015 10:00:00am

re: #417 Lidane

The same way that Saul Alinsky is a liberal icon when most people under 65 have never read him.

Wasn’t Tribe often mentioned as a possible Supreme Court nominee during the nineties?

422 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 10:01:49am

re: #421 Pip’s Squeak

Wasn’t Tribe often mentioned as a possible Supreme Court nominee during the nineties?

No idea.

423 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 10:01:56am

re: #421 Pip’s Squeak

Wasn’t Tribe often mentioned as a possible Supreme Court nominee during the nineties?

I’m not sure but he’s never been a judge before. Now Obama did appoint Kagan who had not been Kagan had been solicitor general.

424 Timothy Watson  Mar 20, 2015 10:03:23am

re: #329 Lidane

*facepalm*

[Embedded content]

Thank God we had an “activist” Supreme Court back in the 1920s:

Practically, education of the young is only possible in schools conducted by especially qualified persons who devote themselves thereto. The calling always has been regarded as useful and honorable, essential, indeed, to the public welfare. Mere knowledge of the German language cannot reasonably be regarded as harmful. Heretofore it has been commonly looked upon as helpful and desirable. Plaintiff in error taught this language in school as part of his occupation. His right thus to teach and the right of parents to engage him so to instruct their children, we think, are within the liberty of the amendment.

en.wikipedia.org

425 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 20, 2015 10:03:26am

re: #414 The Mother Of All Pies

How can Tribe be a “liberal icon” if nobody has ever even heard of him?

That liberals have “icons” while conservatives have “gadflies” pretty much sums up the divide for me.

426 Timothy Watson  Mar 20, 2015 10:03:57am

re: #424 Timothy Watson

And:

That the state may do much, go very far, indeed, in order to improve the quality of its citizens, physically, mentally and morally, is clear; but the individual has certain fundamental rights which must be respected. The protection of the Constitution extends to all, to those who speak other languages as well as to those born with English on the tongue. Perhaps it would be highly advantageous if all had ready understanding of our ordinary speech, but this cannot be coerced by methods which conflict with the Constitution​—𠂺 desirable end cannot be promoted by prohibited means.

427 wrenchwench  Mar 20, 2015 10:04:09am

re: #414 The Mother Of All Pies

How can Tribe be a “liberal icon” if nobody has ever even heard of him?

By bringing certain people along…

Tribe served as a law clerk to Mathew Tobriner on the California Supreme Court from 1966-67 and as a law clerk to Potter Stewart of the U.S. Supreme Court from 1967-68. He joined the Harvard Law School faculty as an assistant professor in 1968, receiving tenure in 1972. Among his distinguished law students and research assistants while on the faculty at Harvard have been Barack Obama (a research assistant for two years), Chief Justice John Roberts (as a law student in his classes), and Elena Kagan (as a research assistant).[9]

428 lawhawk  Mar 20, 2015 10:05:05am

re: #413 iossarian

Tribe is well-known in legal circles for constitutional law (wrote one of the major hornbooks). He represented the losers in Bowers v. Hardwick, but ultimately prevailed in Lawrence v. Texas where he wrote an amicus brief overruling that law (and overturning Bowers).

But he’s also taken on clients like GE in opposing CERCLA (Superfund) and lost.

So, while most of his career is with liberal causes, he’ll occasionally take on a corporate client to pay the bills as it were.

As for being an icon, if you’re at HLS, you’re going to get oversized media treatment, and consideration for court appointments, including to federal appeals courts or for the Supreme Court. That would include Cass Sunstein as well.

429 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 10:05:24am

re: #424 Timothy Watson

Thank God we had an “activist” Supreme Court back in the 1920s:

en.wikipedia.org

And the Taft court was pretty damn conservative too. Surprised that Holmes dissented on that though.

430 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 10:06:46am

re: #410 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

An interesting adaptation of a Native American cultural item to the Christian tradition. Not the first such adaptation, of course.

I mention that because stuff I’ve been reading about what is now Oklahoma but was then Indian Territory during the Civil War. Most notably the Battle of Honey Springs. I should have mentioned it last week as its a great antidote to that frat boy scandal at Oklahoma U.

Spoiler: The battle’s climax was the repulse of an attack by Graybacks from Texas by the 1st Kansas Volunteer Infantry (African Descent). The rebels misheard an order for the Union 2nd Indian Home Guard to withdraw from in front of the 1st Kansas as a general order for Union withdrawal, staged a ‘pursuit’ and ran right into a devastating volley from the 1st.

You don’t hear much about Honey Springs in Texas, since the Lost Causers never wanted to talk about the time the vaunted Texans got beaten by former slaves. Honey Springs was one of the Civil War battles that put the lie to the claims of the slave holders.

431 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 10:08:17am

re: #425 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That liberals have “icons” while conservatives have “gadflies” pretty much sums up the divide for me.

Liberals have gadflys too, though the most famous such (Ralph Nader) is no longer notable.

432 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Mar 20, 2015 10:08:47am

I recall seeing a list of the top 15 most listened to talk radio shows. I think 7 were RW talk, from Limbaugh/Rush/Hannity to even crazier like Beck, Levin and Savage. On the other side, 6 were NPR shows: Morning Addition, All Things Considered, Car Talk, Prairie Home Companion, Wait, Wait…, Fresh Air. That’s it, this alone crystallizes the difference between conservatives and liberals. One seeks confirmation, demands conformity, promotes fear and othering, with a lot of raised voices (there’s a reason RW comment sections a full of various emphasis tools.) The other is thoughtful, open minded, curious, level-headed while considering a plurality of views.

433 wrenchwench  Mar 20, 2015 10:09:13am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

An interesting adaptation rip off of a Native American cultural item to the Christian tradition. Not the first such adaptation rip off, of course.

FTFY

434 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 10:09:34am

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

Liberals have gadflys too, though the most famous such (Ralph Nader) is no longer notable.

He did a lot of good things in his day though. He’s become though quite pathetic now saying that liberals should vote for Rand Paul before Hillary. No thanks Ralph.

435 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 10:10:07am

re: #398 Lidane

“…your wives, your sisters, your children who now are going to be forced to go into public restrooms and share them with men dressed like women.”

They have a strange obsession with this.

436 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 10:10:43am

re: #435 jaunte

“

They have a strange obsession with this.

It’s unhealthy. I think they really see every transperson as being like Buffalo Bill.

437 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 10:11:38am

re: #432 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

I recall seeing a list of the top 15 most listened to talk radio shows. I think 7 were RW talk, from Limbaugh/Rush/Hannity to even crazier like Beck, Levin and Savage. On the other side, 6 were NPR shows: Morning Addition, All Things Considered, Car Talk, Prairie Home Companion, Wait, Wait…, Fresh Air. That’s it, this alone crystallizes the difference between conservatives and liberals. One seeks confirmation, demands conformity, promotes fear and othering, with a lot of raised voices (there’s a reason RW comment sections a full of various emphasis tools.) The other is thoughtful, open minded, curious, level-headed while considering a plurality of views.

I think that’s ultimately why Air America flopped and honestly why I really wasn’t upset it did. We didn’t need to outwingnut the wingnuts in talk radio. Political talk radio is trash.

438 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 10:11:53am

re: #435 jaunte

“

They have a strange obsession with this.

It surprises me that nobody complaining about this, including right-wing women, realize that women’s restrooms all have stalls, so who would even know that the woman in the next stall was trans or cis?

439 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 10:12:06am

re: #433 wrenchwench

FTFY

How do we know its a rip-off? It might have been made by a Native American.

440 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 10:12:42am
“…In Massachusetts, where homosexual marriage has been legal for 10 years, the stories would make the hair stand up on the back of your neck,” she said, although she did not share any of those hair-raising examples.

Anecdote-free anecdotal evidence.

441 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 10:12:49am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

How do we know its a rip-off? It might have been made by a Native American.

Why would a Native American portray a white, ginger Jesus?

442 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 20, 2015 10:13:39am

Just a note, but you guys all know that we were misinterpreting what Bryan Fischer said yesterday and it wasn’t any different than things we say here, right?

443 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 10:13:43am

re: #438 The Mother Of All Pies

It surprises me that nobody complaining about this, including right-wing women, realize that women’s restrooms all have stalls, so who would even know that the woman in the next stall was trans or cis?

It seems very much like a straight juvenile male fantasy.

444 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 10:13:51am

re: #440 jaunte

Anecdote-free anecdotal evidence.

She has no proof because she knows she’s a hysterical liar.

445 wrenchwench  Mar 20, 2015 10:14:07am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

How do we know its a rip-off? It might have been made by a Native American.

If you know what a real dream catcher is, you recognize a rip-off. Could be made by a Native American and be a cultural rip-off.

446 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2015 10:16:00am

re: #442 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just a note, but you guys all know that we were misinterpreting what Bryan Fischer said yesterday and it wasn’t any different than things way say here, right?

Someone who is apparently unclear with sarcasm.

Who’s in charge of storing the LGF guillotine?

447 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 10:16:18am

re: #441 The Mother Of All Pies

Why would a Native American portray a white, ginger Jesus?

To sell cheesy, tacky “tribal art” to stupid people.

448 wrenchwench  Mar 20, 2015 10:17:42am

re: #445 wrenchwench

If you know what a real dream catcher is, you recognize a rip-off. Could be made by a Native American and be a cultural rip-off.

Also: it was retweeted by Alan Scherstuhl, who is @studiesincrap.

Your Crap Archivist since 2008. Also, film editor at Village Voice.

449 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 10:17:51am
Jesus and Elvis share an awkward silence
450 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 10:18:05am

As with the mentally ill, a transperson is far more likely to be victim of assault than the perpetrator of such an assault but that doesn’t stop Rios and other fundie bigots from spreading hate and fear about them.

451 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 10:19:59am

BBL

452 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2015 10:20:56am

WATCH!!!!

…

453 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2015 10:21:46am

re: #435 jaunte

They have a strange obsession with this.

Do the Whackos realize there are no “open” urinals in the ladies room? All is done in private …

454 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 10:23:15am

re: #453 FemNaziBitch

Do the Whackos realize there are no “open” urinals in the ladies room? All is done in private …

Given their understanding of every other issue, my magic eight ball says hell no.

455 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 10:24:36am

re: #453 FemNaziBitch

They seem to think that the main motivator for transgendered people is to spy on other women in the restroom, which is insane.

456 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2015 10:24:53am

re: #404 FemNaziBitch

How is your Friday.

It’s a bit cooler today, but promises to be a good day.

But not for everyone:
Winter makes late-season return to Northeast, rain and thunderstorms possible across Texas and Gulf Coast

Snowing here in Philadelphia and starting to get a bit sloppy.

Ran my errands already, so I’m sitting back reading, sorting photos, and drinking tea. Tuxedo Cat is busy being a force of chaos.

457 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 20, 2015 10:26:06am

re: #442 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just a note, but you guys all know that we were misinterpreting what Bryan Fischer said yesterday and it wasn’t any different than things we say here, right?

I think it’s time for llh to meet Stinky.

458 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 20, 2015 10:27:28am
459 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 20, 2015 10:29:57am

re: #457 The Mother Of All Pies

I think it’s time for llh to meet Stinky.

The dead thread derping and rationalizations and MBF is getting a little old.

460 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2015 10:31:34am

Listened to Red Rising and am now listing to #2 in the series Golden Son .

Some interesting analogies to our stratified society.

Each “level” (determined by genetically engineer colors” has issues with seeing the very high or the very low colors as people.

Seems it works both ways.

461 Varek Raith  Mar 20, 2015 10:34:26am

What in the fuck…
judiciary.house.gov

462 Targetpractice  Mar 20, 2015 10:35:28am

re: #461 Varek Raith

What in the fuck…
judiciary.house.gov

“The young people today, they’ll find this ‘hip’, right?”

463 Varek Raith  Mar 20, 2015 10:36:22am

re: #462 Targetpractice

“The young people today, they’ll find this ‘hip’, right?”

myinstants.com

464 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 10:38:41am

re: #461 Varek Raith
Twitter comments on Goodlatte’s TL:

“selling deportation w/ blondes”

“You are a member of the United States Congress and this is a sensitive issue. This is not acceptable behavior.”

“You really think animated GIFs is how the House Judiciary should be representing itself?”

465 b_sharp  Mar 20, 2015 10:42:41am

re: #441 The Mother Of All Pies

Why would a Native American portray a white, ginger Jesus?

Because many first nations are highly religious, primarily Christian. I see Christian icons at all the first nations I visit.

466 b_sharp  Mar 20, 2015 10:46:31am

re: #445 wrenchwench

If you know what a real dream catcher is, you recognize a rip-off. Could be made by a Native American and be a cultural rip-off.

What you are calling a rip-off is considered just a melding of ideas by the artists who produce them.

I’ve seen more than one Christian cross done in aboriginal beading.

467 b_sharp  Mar 20, 2015 10:47:29am

re: #447 Lidane

To sell cheesy, tacky “tribal art” to stupid people.

Perhaps, but perhaps it’s what members of first nations want.

468 A Cranky One  Mar 20, 2015 10:55:16am

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone who is apparently unclear with sarcasm.

Who’s in charge of storing the LGF guillotine?

Klys. She keeps the practice head on a kitchen counter. ;)

469 wrenchwench  Mar 20, 2015 11:08:30am

re: #466 b_sharp

What you are calling a rip-off is considered just a melding of ideas by the artists who produce them.

I’ve seen more than one Christian cross done in aboriginal beading.

But black velvet on a dream catcher… gotta draw the line somewhere.

470 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 11:16:08am

re: #411 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The black woman is so far behind that she’s not in the picture.

Asian guy had time to turn around, grab a Nikon, and shoot the field.

471 Decatur Deb  Mar 20, 2015 11:16:55am

re: #469 wrenchwench

But black velvet on a dream catcher… gotta draw the line somewhere.

And replacing Elvis with some foreigner.

472 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2015 11:52:52am

re: #461 Varek Raith

What in the fuck…
judiciary.house.gov

Fox News Team Judiciary Committee Members

473 FemNaziBitch  Mar 20, 2015 11:53:38am

re: #463 Varek Raith

myinstants.com

Are you going to tell this old person what that means —in old speak.


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