Anti-Choice Group Center for Medical Progress Begs Supreme Court For Emergency Stay of Discovery - UPDATE: Denied

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The Center for Medical Progress, in what seems like an act of desperation, is begging the Supreme Court to overrule the Ninth Circuit Court and grant an emergency stay of discovery to prevent the National Abortion Federation from learning the names of their co-conspirators.

Here’s their filing:

Scribd

(h/t: @BradMossEsq.)

UPDATE at 12/4/15 5:17:35 pm by Charles Johnson
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Ninth Circuit Denies Center for Medical Progress’s Appeal - Discovery Must Proceed

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380 comments
1
Kid A  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:11:00pm

Nothing would make my holiday season sweeter than for the Supreme Court to tell these losers “NOPE.”

2
EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:13:51pm

It looks like Kennedy is the justice that will decide whether or not to grant an emergency stay of discovery.

Kennedy is unreliable on choice, so it could go either way.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:14:34pm

Megyn Kelley going to MSNBC to work with Rachell Maddow on anti Trump hit pieces

this from a foxnews reading trump supporter. is that really true?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:14:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:15:36pm

re: #3 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Megyn Kelley going to MSNBC to work with Rachell Maddow on anti Trump hit pieces

this from a foxnews reading trump supporter. is that really true?

Highly doubtful.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:15:52pm

re: #3 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Megyn Kelley going to MSNBC to work with Rachell Maddow on anti Trump hit pieces

this from a foxnews reading trump supporter. is that really true?

I guess it all depends on what Roger Ailes wants. Personally I doubt it very much.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:17:39pm

Ah, this is the perfect thread to drop this off. A gift idea for those of you with relatives who have gone full metal wingnut and are getting on your last nerve:

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:17:53pm

Reads like a spaghetti-on-the-wall play, throwing a ball of stuff to see if it will stick. First Amendment rights of association? Wha…?

/buckle up kids, we’re about to get legally educated. TO WIKIPEDIA!!!

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Kid A  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:19:07pm

Michele Fiore thinks cancer is a fungus:

If you have cancer, which I believe is a fungus, and we can put a pic line into your body and we’re flushing with, say, salt water, sodium cardonate [sic-it’s “bicarbonate”] through that line and flushing out the fungus. These are some procedures that are not FDA-approved in America that are very inexpensive, cost-effective.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:19:30pm

Reposting

From the filing:

CMP conducted a three-year undercover investigation
of tissue-procurement practices in the late-term abortion industry.

That’s a fact error.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:19:44pm

They obviously don’t want some of these names to get out.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:20:06pm

Meanwhile, back on the campaign trail,

Trump picked stock fraud felon as senior adviser

A man he named as a senior business adviser in 2010 was convicted in a Mafia-linked stock fraud scheme

Courts record show the presidential candidate knew of Felix Sater’s background

Trump said that he recalled only bare details of Sater

Damn media is being unfair to The Trump again.

Read more here: sanluisobispo.com

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:21:51pm

re: #9 Kid A

Michele Fiore thinks cancer is a fungus:

I’ve heard that you can just go to a restaurant and pick up some condiments and coffee sweeteners as well, which are also very inexpensive and cost effective.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:22:47pm
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UrbanAchiever  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:23:50pm

re: #9 Kid A

That explains the lack of shoes… fear of toe fungus.

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UrbanAchiever  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:25:41pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart

He gets more weaselly every day. What an asshole.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:27:15pm

Mkay first thing that stands out is CMP keeps referring to their people as “supporters” who are entitled to confidentiality, as if they’re just donors or volunteers, whereas NAF is trying to find out who else might be involved in, you know… committing an actual crime.

Second… Citing an appeal that was certiorari dismissed? Doesn’t smell like good lawyerin’.. Edit: fixed a word… Never mind, if they’re citing the reason for dismissal as their support, I guess it makes sense. I should read slower!

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:27:59pm

OT but respites are good.

From the article, “He’s been linked to the Budweiser brewery since birth, but police say on Thursday night he got a little too close.”

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:29:19pm

re: #17 Pawn of the Oppressor

Mkay first thing that stands out is CMP keeps referring to their people as “supporters” who are entitled to confidentiality, as if they’re just donors or volunteers, whereas NAF is trying to find out who else might be involved in, you know… committing an actual crime.

Second… Citing an appeal that was certiorari denied? Doesn’t smell like good lawyerin’..

Also calling it the late term abortion industry throughout. That should show that they are fact deficient & extremists.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:29:42pm

Looks like Jeb Can’t Fix It, after all.

At 3% in the polls, Jeb Bush in free-fall

cnn.com

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:30:20pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart

What an idiot. The SB shooters weren’t Arabs, neither were the Boston bombers.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:30:22pm

re: #18 Stanley Sea Toujours

“Don’t you know who I am!!”

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:30:52pm

re: #22 Amory Blaine

“Don’t you know who I am!!”

It was his calling.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:30:52pm

re: #9 Kid A

Michele Fiore thinks cancer is a fungus:

dear michele - i have some miracle fat burning pills that i think you might be interested in…

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:32:08pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

Looks like Jeb Can’t Fix It, after all.

At 3% in the polls, Jeb Bush in free-fall

cnn.com

Man. Even I haven’t polled that low since sixth grade.

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TedStriker  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:35:15pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Given that it’s Kennedy that would make the decision, as said above, it’s a tossup.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:36:37pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea Toujours

Also calling it the late term abortion industry throughout. That should show that they are fact deficient & extremists.

Ugh, I can’t read the rest. It’s DARVO in legal form. FREEZE PEACH! CHILLING EFFECTSS!11!

Love this cherry on top too. Literally on top, hanging there like somebody forgot to edit it out from between the paragraphs:

The key issue here is the disclosure of the identities of CMP’s supporters.
While NAF emphasizes its own alleged harms, they are not at issue here.

“Maybe not at issue, but people were, like… Actually shot to death. So maybe dismissing that concern in your motion makes you seem like a bunch of dicks? Oh wait, like, you guys are a bunch of dicks. Totes my bad!”

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:37:24pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

Jeb! just doesn’t get it:

When we get closer to this…the decision will be made by voters really on the following things: Do you have ideas that will make my life better? Do you have the fortitude, the leadership skills to make it happen?…Do you care about me?” he said in Iowa “Do you care about the condition that I’m in? And, look, my life experience is 32 years in business, eight years as a reform minded governor. I think overtime that, that kind of skillset that I’ve acquired through my life experience will be helpful to me for sure.

Republican primary voters don’t really seem to care about that kind of stuff any more. They want a license to hate, and that is what Trump is giving them.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:38:08pm

re: #27 Pawn of the Oppressor

FREEZE PEACH!

LMAO—that one’s a keeper.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:39:08pm

re: #29 CuriousLurker

LMAO—that one’s a keeper.

^ Shamelessly stolen from Vicious Babushka.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:39:51pm

re: #30 Pawn of the Oppressor

^ Shamelessly stolen from Vicious Babushka.

Heh, she comes up with some really good ones sometimes.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:40:47pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart

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Love that photo. “Look at all these Dudebros. Some of them are even brown! Smile, brown guy, this is going on my Facebook page.”

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:41:16pm

re: #27 Pawn of the Oppressor

The key issue here is the disclosure of the identities of CMP’s supporters.
While NAF emphasizes its own alleged harms, they are not at issue here.

Yeah, CMP seems pretty damn frantic about the disclosure thing. Maybe some well-known public figures in that list?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:43:47pm
The discovery order violates Petitioners’ First Amendment rights to freedom of association by requiring Petitioner The Center for Medical Progress (“CMP”) to disclose the confidential identities of its supporters, thereby putting those supporters at serious risk of retaliation for backing CMP.

yeah, let us know when somebody like Robert Dear shows up at your place of business.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:44:53pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

Meanwhile, back on the campaign trail,

Trump said that he recalled only bare details of Sater

Wait. I thought Trump had the very best memory of all things. (Except for days, dates, people, places and actions, but let’s not quibble over details)

36
Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:46:00pm

re: #35 BeachDem

He did say that and you’re a very bad person for pointing that out.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:51:56pm

Trump managed to bring in only 1200 supporters for his Manassas rally.
Pathetic.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:52:41pm

I guess this d-bag thrives on being hated

“I probably would have raised prices higher, is probably what I should have done.” … “I could have raised it higher and made more profits for our shareholders, which is my primary duty.”

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worldknot  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:53:58pm

re: #37 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Trump managed to bring in only 1200 supporters for his Manassas rally.
Pathetic.

No ground game. He may be in for a rude surprise in Iowa.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:54:56pm

re: #18 Stanley Sea Toujours

OT but respites are good.

From the article, “He’s been linked to the Budweiser brewery since birth, but police say on Thursday night he got a little too close.”

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I wonder if he’s too young to remember these ads, if not they probably annoyed the shit out of him:
Original Budweiser Frogs Commercial

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:55:23pm

duh…too feckin late:

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:55:48pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

He did say that and you’re a very bad person for pointing that out.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:56:43pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

duh…too feckin late:

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Did they say when they’ll be re-running it?

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Lidane  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:57:11pm

re: #39 worldknot

No ground game. He may be in for a rude surprise in Iowa.

Funny thing is, if you look at his FEC disclosures, he’s paying a bunch of field consultants and event planners and strategists a lot of money:

docquery.fec.gov

itemizer.herokuapp.com

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 3:57:57pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart

I guess this d-bag thrives on being hated

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And somebody could have bludgeoned him to death in the street, but it didn’t happen.

Who the hell raised these kids?

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:02:20pm

re: #45 Pawn of the Oppressor

And somebody could have bludgeoned him to death in the street, but it didn’t happen.

Who the hell raised these kids?

Sounds like Rush Limbaugh.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:02:46pm

re: #29 CuriousLurker

What’s for dinner? (nudging your mind to get onto the important things)

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:04:02pm

re: #37 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Trump managed to bring in only 1200 supporters for his Manassas rally.
Pathetic.

Actually awesome.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:04:31pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart

Martin Shkreli really needs to come down with some painful and debilitating condition where the only supply of effective medicine for keeping him alive is held by his political enemies.

Let’s see how much he likes his precious “capitalist rules” then. If I were pricing his medication, it would be 100% of his wealth for the first day’s dose, then he could die the day after.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:06:29pm

re: #37 Not a Sparkly Vampire

I wonder if it’s partly due to campaign fatigue. The election is more than a year off and I’m already sick of this shit.

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:10:20pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

duh…too feckin late:

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Nobody could have predicted stampeding into a crime scene wasn’t a good idea.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:10:46pm

Going back for a second slower read on this appeal. I’m just a guy interested in law so I’m spitballing here. How this plays out will be interesting.

It doesn’t read like a solid legal argument so much as an emotional one. Deception is protected! Our members want to stay hidden! NAF said they’ll sue our people! And so on.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:11:57pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart

I guess this d-bag thrives on being hated

“I could have raised it higher and made more profits for our shareholders, which is my primary duty.”

Actually, no. Your primary duty as CEO is to increase shareholder value. Increasing profits is one way of doing that, and it’s important, but not burning the brand name to the ground in a fit of greed is also important.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:13:51pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

Martin Shkreli really needs to come down with some painful and debilitating condition where the only supply of effective medicine for keeping him alive is held by his political enemies.

Let’s see how much he likes his precious “capitalist rules” then. If I were pricing his medication, it would be 100% of his wealth for the first day’s dose, then he could die the day after.

What he’s depending on is insurance covering it, but as I learned back when I was more involved in strategic discussions at Pharma companies (little ones, of course), you can’t charge more than reimbursers would pay.

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:15:14pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:15:43pm

re: #43 Skip Intro

Did they say when they’ll be re-running it?

Like BeachDem said earlier, there used to be this Law & Ethics in Mass Communication class that was required. (I took it, my Prof had an exceptional rep that she upheld & was hard as shit)

Today it’s all glamour, ratings & bottom line that are fueling the young reporters & the camera people.

And Trump is in first place of the GOP.

That’s where we are.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:16:20pm

re: #55 darthstar

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Were all the electrical outlets baby-proofed?

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:16:33pm

re: #54 Blind Frog Belly White

What he’s depending on is insurance covering it, but as I learned back when I was more involved in strategic discussions at Pharma companies (little ones, of course), you can’t charge more than reimbursers would pay.

Shkreli clearly thinks that greed is a virtue. I sincerely hope he gets a pointed karmic life lesson on that topic, sooner rather than later.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:16:59pm

re: #44 Lidane

He is NOT TCWSNBN

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:16:59pm

re: #57 Timothy Watson

Were all the electrical outlets baby-proofed?

At least they succeeded in showing how cramped 750 sq feet can feel.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:20:10pm

re: #55 darthstar

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I have CNN in the background all day (kill me, I switch to HGTV when I’ve had enough

They mentioned half finished food on a plate. They grabbed Grandma & baby in a millisecond & they have not returned. For their STUFF.

Absolutely horrible.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:20:23pm

“Terror wife.”

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:21:34pm

Prediction: A post will go up on Feldwebel Floorshitter’s Facebook page tonight asking for money to Fight Abortion in the Supreme Court!!! The post will contain at least one missing space and one grammatical error.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:22:13pm

re: #63 Pawn of the Oppressor

Prediction: A post will go up on Feldwebel Floorshitter’s Facebook page tonight asking for money to Fight Abortion in the Supreme Court!!! The post will contain at least one missing space and one grammatical error.

And “late term”

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:23:47pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

duh…too feckin late:

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And, in their “apology” to the Hollywood Reporter (because that’s where all serious news organizations go to apologize—sigh), MSNBC relied on the tried and true:

Wah, we didn’t do it first—somebody else did. Why are you picking on US???

and

“Yeah, we’re really sorry, but let us remind you we DID have the first live shots, so suck on that, folks.”

and

“Oh, in retrospect, maybe we shouldn’t have shown someone’s ID…or riffled through family photos, so hey—our bad. Film at 11.”

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:25:59pm

I’ve got good friends. Here’s a clip from one’s facebook post after he heard a couple of dudebros talking:

me: say dude bro, i couldn’t help overhearing your conversation about the killings down south.
dude bro: yeah. it’s terrible.
me: i know right? terrorism in our own country. scary.
db: well, those people were pakis. not americans.
me: um, they were americans. pakistani americans. and you know “paki” is a really bad thing to call someone right?
db: not if they’re terrorists.
me: yeah, even if they’re terrorists. it makes you a fucking racist. dont say it. at least not out loud in the street.
db: i can say whatever i want old man. (he called me OLD MAN!).
me: (leaning in really close to the guy, looking right in his eyes, my hand gently on his shoulder, and whispering) listen fella, i got no patience for your racism. i really need you and your friends to walk the fuck out of this coffee shop. so please, turn around and make some excuse. shit’s gonna get ugly in like 10 seconds. ok? be a good boy and run along.
and he did.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:26:05pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

“Terror wife.”

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They’ve latched onto that now? I saw that pairing in a headline earlier and wondered if it was going to become a thing.

She had eyes like an ex-girlfriend of mine. They could almost be sisters. Ain’t no thang but it’s still a tiny bit creepy

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:30:21pm

This is getting good.

Bush’s biggest donor: Trump a ‘bullyionaire’

Bush’s billionaire owner backer

Fernandez stopped just short of comparing Trump to a dictator, but the full-page ads he wants to run Dec. 14 make reference to the masses who were swayed in other countries by demagogues during tough times.

Yahbut what tough times?

Read more: politico.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:30:29pm

re: #56 Stanley Sea Toujours

Like BeachDem said earlier, there used to be this Law & Ethics in Mass Communication class that was required. (I took it, my Prof had an exceptional rep that she upheld & was hard as shit)

I actually taught that class when I was a university professor back in the 80s-early 90s.

I am appalled at today’s “journalists”.

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Kryptik  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:30:51pm

re: #66 darthstar

I’ve got good friends. Here’s a clip from one’s facebook post after he heard a couple of dudebros talking:

Asshole had to steal an ethnic slur from the UK to get his hate on because he can’t say what he really wanted to call them, seems like.

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:31:14pm

One of the kid’s my wife babysits after school actually thinks she can hide the fact she’s gotten a shitty report card by saying the teacher hasn’t handed them out yet, even though her sister brought home her card, plus my wife asked and the teacher said they were handed out last week.

But no, she’s sticking with “I haven’t gotten mine yet.” Its going to be so damn funny when her Dad swings by to pick up the kids.

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Kryptik  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:32:24pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

I actually taught that class when I was a university professor back in the 80s-early 90s.

I am appalled at today’s “journalists”.

We don’t have journalism anymore. We have stenographers, gossipmongerers, and propagandists. With the occasional satirist who has to couch the truth in humor so it can actually filter out through the smokescreen.

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:32:51pm
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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:35:17pm

re: #67 Pawn of the Oppressor

They’ve latched onto that now? I saw that pairing in a headline earlier and wondered if it was going to become a thing.

She had eyes like an ex-girlfriend of mine. They could almost be sisters. Ain’t no thang but it’s still a tiny bit creepy

Black Widow is a really cool terror porn name. They’ll be latching onto it to make this whole thing more scintillating.

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Uraniabce  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:35:43pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson
Oh FFS! Where do they get this stuff?

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:36:20pm

re: #74 Stanley Sea Toujours

I want an award. I spelled scintillating without a spell check, first try.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:36:52pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

“Terror wife.”

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Yep, now every woman wearing hijab will be a terrorist. *SIGH*

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:37:24pm

twitter.com

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:38:01pm

Let’s try that again.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:39:03pm

Hey, did we ever find out what was in the PP shooter’s trailer? Does anybody even remember the PP shooter?

It was a couple of days ago and he is white and Christian, so I can understand why the media is happy to forget all about him.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:39:31pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Let’s try that again.

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Band wagon Chuck.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:39:37pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea Toujours

I want an award. I spelled scintillating without a spell check, first try.

I’d like to see proof.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:40:05pm

re: #74 Stanley Sea Toujours

Black Widow is a really cool terror porn name. They’ll be latching onto it to make this whole thing more scintillating.

You know who that makes me think of right? He was sooooo keen on that when that mall in Kenya got attacked.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:40:30pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

I actually taught that class when I was a university professor back in the 80s-early 90s.

I am appalled at today’s “journalists”.

You and me both, Sleuth. In addition to their appalling lack of writing/reporting skills, excruciating grammar and spelling, inability to separate facts from opinions and constant errors, their complete ignorance and lack of ethics makes me sick to my stomach.

I had a newswriting prof who would give you a zero for misspelling a word in a news story (and that was back in the days of manual typewriters and White Out!) and dog forbid, if you got a fact wrong or didn’t have three sources…

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:40:56pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Is it wrong to say that I can’t blame people?

Try parsing that into English.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:42:12pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

You know who that makes me think of right? He was sooooo keen on that when that mall in Kenya got attacked.

I’m blank. Who?

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:43:05pm

re: #84 BeachDem

You and me both, Sleuth. In addition to their appalling lack of writing/reporting skills, excruciating grammar and spelling, inability to separate facts from opinions and constant errors, their complete ignorance and lack of ethics makes me sick to my stomach.

I had a newswriting prof who would give you a zero for misspelling a word in a news story (and that was back in the days of manual typewriters and White Out!) and dog forbid, if you got a fact wrong or didn’t have three sources…

Fact Error = F

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:44:24pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Let’s try that again.

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Well gosh, I dunno—is it? Like Robert Dear, you’re a white Christian guy who says he’s against abortion, so would it be wrong for me to say I couldn’t blame anyone if they called your house or church and threatened to kill everyone?

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:46:06pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea Toujours

I’m blank. Who?

1BOTGw/UzH8/KfWAsLYmdA==

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:46:35pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:47:24pm

re: #88 CuriousLurker

Well gosh, I dunno—is it? Like Robert Dear, you’re a white Christian guy who says he’s against abortion, so would it be wrong for me to say I couldn’t blame anyone if they called your huose or church and threatened to kill everyone?

Well, see, Robert Dear tried to kill the right people from the wingnut point of view, so he’s a hero. The only thing he did wrong was to not get the doctors and nurses.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:49:00pm

re: #91 Skip Intro

Well, see, Robert Dear tried to kill the right people from the wingnut point of view, so he’s a hero. The only thing he did wrong was to not get the doctors and nurses.

Oh right, I forgot—IOKIYAR.

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:49:10pm
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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:49:12pm

re: #85 Skip Intro

Race war is on

Rough translation

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:50:38pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:50:46pm

LOL! Sure he did.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:51:24pm

re: #89 CuriousLurker

Wow.

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:52:56pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

LOL! Sure he did.

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It was an actual literal mole. He found it when he was creeping thru the shrubs.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:53:40pm

Chuck Mitty

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:55:31pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

LOL! Sure he did.

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Yeah, and I’ve got a mole inside the Mossad. Really, I do.

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Kryptik  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:56:43pm

re: #95 Kragar

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…that made me burst out laughing in a way that I genuinely needed this week.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:57:17pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

LOL! Sure he did.

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Abortion, Chucksie. FOOOOOOOCUSSSSS. You aren’t going to pay all those legal bills with Facebook posts, kid!

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Kryptik  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:58:12pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

LOL! Sure he did.

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What he hasn’t explained is that he means mole as in the skin blemish, and CAIR is an acronym for…

…you know what, lets not finish that. Talking about anyplace on Chuckie’s body is likely to ruin dinners.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:59:19pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

LOL! Sure he did.

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Oh he has a guy in CAIR too. What a sad attention whore this guy is.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:59:32pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

LOL! Sure he did.

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I see Chucky is imitating his hero Trump now.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:59:37pm

re: #103 Kryptik

What he hasn’t explained is that he means mole as in the skin blemish, and CAIR is an acronym for…

…you know what, lets not finish that. Talking about anyplace on Chuckie’s body is likely to ruin dinners.

Yeah dude I just ate.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 4, 2015 • 4:59:42pm

TERROR WIVES WITH TERROR HUSBANDS AND TERROR BABIES

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:00:06pm

re: #103 Kryptik

What he hasn’t explained is that he means mole as in the skin blemish, and CAIR is an acronym for…

…you know what, lets not finish that. Talking about anyplace on Chuckie’s body is likely to ruin dinners.

Having just finished lunch, I appreciate your forbearance.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:00:43pm

*blinks*

Charles, did the font change, or is it just my aging eyes?

Evening Lizardim from the wild north country.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:00:59pm

re: #107 Not a Sparkly Vampire

TERROR WIVES WITH TERROR HUSBANDS AND TERROR BABIES

And they have calves like cantaloupes.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:01:20pm

One interesting thing that came out of the presser with the atty’s for the Farook family, they said that Grandma was interrogated for 5 (? maybe he said 6 or 7) hours by the FBI investigators. One of the FBI dudes, paraphrase, looked like a full on Muslim infiltrator of a mosque.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:01:33pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Oh he has a guy in CAIR too. What a sad attention whore this guy is.

Riding that train.

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bubba zanetti  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:02:10pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Oh he has a guy in CAIR too. What a sad attention whore this guy is.

Yeah, it seems they talk about infiltrating the education system or something?

CAIR.org

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:04:57pm

re: #107 Not a Sparkly Vampire

TERROR WIVES WITH TERROR HUSBANDS AND TERROR BABIES

EATING TERRORSICLES

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:05:49pm

Have to watch that popsicle intently, it might explode.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:06:55pm

re: #115 jaunte

Have to watch that popsicle intently, it might explode.

Terrorsicle.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:07:11pm

Not popsicle, the screwdriver I used to break into this home!!

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danarchy  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:07:20pm

re: #115 jaunte

Have to watch that popsicle intently, it might explode.

It’s a screwdriver

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:07:44pm

re: #114 jaunte

That guy actually said it was a screwdriver, not a popsicle. He was giving it to the building owner so he could get the door open. That shit made the press look like a bunch of hyenas or vultures. They really outdid themselves this time.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:08:03pm

re: #118 danarchy

Nuts. I so wanted it to be a popsicle.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:08:07pm

re: #118 danarchy

It’s a screwdriver

It looks like he’s taking a selfie.

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Brian J.  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:08:25pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

That guy actually said it was a screwdriver, not a popsicle. He was giving it to the building owner so he could get the door open. That shit made the press look like a bunch of hyenas or vultures. They really outdid themselves this time.

It could be both. How hard would it be to get the vodka to freeze?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:08:38pm

re: #114 jaunte

EATING TERRORSICLES

IT’S A SCREWDRIVER!!11!!!!!!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:08:42pm

re: #120 jaunte

Nuts. I so wanted it to be a popsicle.

YEah I thought so too.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:08:57pm

TERRORDRIVER!

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:09:01pm

re: #114 jaunte

It’s funnier if it’s a terrorsicle though. If the wingnuts can make shit up, then so can we. //

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nines09  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:10:53pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

LOL! Sure he did.

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I sure he has moles on his ass.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:12:32pm

re: #125 jaunte

Hijab TERROR SCARF!!11!

Maybe we need to do a hashtag where we make up #TERRORstuff.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:12:54pm

re: #128 CuriousLurker

Hijab TERROR SCARF!!11!

Maybe we need to do a hashtag where we make up #TERRORstuff.

Honestly, that would be hilarious.

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b_sharp  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:13:22pm

re: #114 jaunte

EATING TERRORSICLES

Screwdriver

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Brian J.  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:13:37pm

re: #128 CuriousLurker

Hijab TERROR SCARF!!11!

Maybe we need to do a hashtag where we make up #TERRORstuff.

Already been done.

huffingtonpost.com

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:13:42pm

re: #130 b_sharp

Not as funny.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:13:57pm

re: #129 thedopefishlives

Honestly, that would be hilarious.

Terrormirasu.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:14:39pm

re: #131 Brian J.

Already been done.

huffingtonpost.com

E gad, yeah that was soooooo stupid.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:15:27pm

re: #121 Skip Intro

It looks like he’s taking a selfie.

I was thinking he was looking at it as if it was the One Ring.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:15:49pm

Terror Turkeys
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:16:26pm

re: #118 danarchy

It’s a screwdriver

TERROR SCREWDRIVER

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:16:29pm

Ha ha!

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:17:32pm

Sheriff Urges People To Carry Guns In Wake Of San Bernardino Shooting (in New York)

What could possibly go wrong?

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dholmes32  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:17:48pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Ha ha!

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They’ll appeal to the full court. It’ll get denied, but I bet they get two votes for consideration from Scalia and his little handpuppet.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:18:12pm

re: #136 jaunte

Don’t forget the Terror Soup! Thanks to those darned terror loving Canadians.

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bubba zanetti  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:18:12pm

re: #114 jaunte

EATING TERRORSICLES

ISIScle

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Teukka  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:19:06pm

re: #142 bubba zanetti

ISIScle

c’mon people.

Daeshicle.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:19:11pm

re: #135 Timothy Watson

I was thinking he was looking at it as if it was the One Ring.

Or “This is going to make my career!”.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:19:15pm

O-o

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:19:46pm

re: #136 jaunte

Terror Turkeys
littlegreenfootballs.com

I’m still waiting for Geller to realize that the air we breathe is halal. //

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:20:09pm

re: #146 CuriousLurker

I’m still waiting for Geller to realize that the air we breathe is halal. //

TERROR AIR

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:20:13pm

Jihadis are officially leftists, sez WND.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:20:53pm

re: #145 jaunte

O-o

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Yet the Dems politicized this. A liberal hate crime against America? Really fuck you WND.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:21:10pm

re: #145 jaunte

O-o

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Does WND hire the applicants to Breitbart who fail the intelligence test?

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Brian J.  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:21:11pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Ha ha!

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Two hours and 24 minutes after your post showing the appeal had been made. Is that a speed record for rejection?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:21:20pm

re: #148 jaunte

Jihadis are officially leftists, sez WND.

WND is just jealous because jihadis actually aren’t a bunch of all talk assholes.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:21:31pm

re: #140 dholmes32

They’ll appeal to the full court. It’ll get denied, but I bet they get two votes for consideration from Scalia and his little handpuppet.

However, they are also under order to produce the required documents today, so they probably don’t get another chance for a SCOTUS intervention at this time.

Instead they either comply with discovery, or piss off a Federal judge by not complying. Pass the popcorn.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:22:23pm

re: #151 Brian J.

Two hours and 24 minutes after your post showing the appeal had been made. Is that a speed record for rejection?

No kidding. I wasn’t expecting to hear anything until Monday, at the earliest.

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b.d.  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:22:34pm

re: #148 jaunte

Jihadis are officially leftists, sez WND.

Because when I think of crazed, reactionary, fundamentalist religious nuts I immediately think of leftists.

//

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:23:14pm

re: #155 b.d.

Because when I think of crazed, reactionary, fundamentalist religious nuts I immediately think of leftists.

//

What a coincidence, I think about segregationists shouting states rights the same way!

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:23:15pm

re: #151 Brian J.

Two hours and 24 minutes after your post showing the appeal had been made. Is that a speed record for rejection?

It’s just one justice, so this kind of thing can be quick. The legal arguments CMP made must really have been feeble if Justice Kennedy couldn’t find any excuse in there to grant the stay.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:23:50pm

re: #154 CuriousLurker

No kidding. I wasn’t expecting to hear anything until Monday, at the earliest.

It had to be quick because CMP is under orders to provide discovery today.

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CuriousLurker  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:24:28pm

re: #158 EPR-radar

It had to be quick because CMP is under orders to provide discovery today.

Ah okay, that makes sense then.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:26:33pm

Looks like Trump ran into a coordinated protest at his speech tonight
@KatyTurNBC

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:27:21pm

Unfortunately we probably won’t learn what the NAF discovers, at least not for a while. But it’s good to know they’re winning so far.

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Brian J.  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:29:12pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

WND is just jealous because jihadis actually aren’t a bunch of all talk assholes.

Soon the NRA will be leftist too, then.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:31:09pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart

Looks like Trump ran into a coordinated protest at his speech tonight
@KatyTurNBC

But Trump says the blacks love him. Looks like he walked out of his own event.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:32:45pm

re: #68 Skip Intro

This is getting good.

Bush’s biggest donor: Trump a ‘bullyionaire’

Bush’s billionaire owner backer

Fernandez stopped just short of comparing Trump to a dictator, but the full-page ads he wants to run Dec. 14 make reference to the masses who were swayed in other countries by demagogues during tough times.

Yahbut what tough times?

it’ll take alot more than that to sway my masses buster

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:34:11pm

re: #164 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Yahbut what tough times?

it’ll take alot more than that to sway my masses buster

I don’t feel bad at all because Jeb wants policies that would bully the rest of us. You guys pander to bigotry for years and don’t be shocked if something like Trump emerges from the dog shit that is the GOP.

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Brian J.  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:34:21pm

re: #164 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Yahbut what tough times?

it’ll take alot more than that to sway my masses buster

I have some chicken broth in the apartment. That makes me a bouillionaire.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:36:17pm

Here’s what a Billionaire for Bush does in his spare time.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:36:32pm

re: #166 Brian J.

You must come from rich stock.

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Brian J.  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:37:05pm

re: #146 CuriousLurker

I’m still waiting for Geller to realize that the air we breathe is halal. //

Lightly defrosted anti-Semitism is the new black.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:38:23pm

Credit where credit is due—it was GOEHMERT!!! who first introduced TERROR BABIES!

“Terror Babies” Greatest Hits

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:38:27pm

re: #151 Brian J.

Two hours and 24 minutes after your post showing the appeal had been made. Is that a speed record for rejection?

They got fact checked about their late term abortion industry. Fail.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:39:22pm

re: #158 EPR-radar

It had to be quick because CMP is under orders to provide discovery today.

Midnight Pacific. I’ll stay up.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:41:40pm

have been wasting my time arguing with a wingnut

apparently as soon as we realize the islamic terrorism is the only dangerous terrorism - because it has a much firmer theological basis - and that no true scotsmen christians ever commit terrorism - because christ was practically mahatma gandhi so how could there be christian terrorism?? - we will all be safer. because we will know that muslims terrorists have a firm religious justification

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:41:45pm

re: #167 Skip Intro

Among other things, this Billionaire for Bush is a flaming RINO. Republican primary voters would accept none of the arguments presented in that essay.

The main reason for this is that the GOP establishment and conservative entertainment industry have collaborated in creating the fact-free zone in which the bigotry and stupidity of the GOP base thrives.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:42:29pm
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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:43:16pm

re: #173 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

have been wasting my time arguing with a wingnut

apparently as soon as we realize the islamic terrorism is the only dangerous terrorism - because it has a much firmer theological basis - and that no true scotsmen christians ever commit terrorism - because christ was practically mahatma gandhi so how could there be christian terrorism?? - we will all be safer. because we will know that muslims terrorists have a firm religious justification

Have you asked this clown about Northern Ireland yet?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:43:23pm

re: #175 GlutenFreeJesus

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OFFS.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:50:06pm

re: #151 Brian J.

The Court takes emergency appeals pretty seriously. And dispose of them just as seriously. And quickly - think of all the death penalty cases that they’re asked to rule upon.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:53:36pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

OFFS.

Probably a Carson supporter.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:53:51pm

So, someone questions that a significant percentage of guns recovered in crimes in NYC comes from states with lax gun laws. They think that there’s somewhere out there that can actually counter the number of guns recovered and the source of said guns.

And for the record, it’s 2/3 of the guns recovered that come from lax gun states - VA, AL, GA, SC and PA. So, it’s a bit more than a significant percentage.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:56:23pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

Have you asked this clown about Northern Ireland yet?

he has assured me that there are definitely no true scotsmen there

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:56:33pm

re: #180 lawhawk

Why am I somehow not surprised to see Indiana as the leading exporter of firearms to Illinois? Probably where the Chicago gun-runners get their supply, I’d bet.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 5:59:11pm

One of the asterisks speaks. Inserts foot in mouth:

And the thing is, not a single one of them would be able to actually define radical Islam; that’s the crux of the matter after all. Since they can’t define a thing, they can’t fight a thing - unless radical Islam is code for plain old Islam, in which case they’re talking clash of civilizations and taking on a billion people.

These people are deranged. And Pataki’s one of those who should know better, but has decided he’s got nothing to lose by being one of the more sane ones - so he’s going off the deep end and shows just how debased the GOP is.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:01:00pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:01:36pm

re: #180 lawhawk

Many gun control arguments seem to frequently devolve to a discussion about the impossibility of stopping all gun crime. I’d be happy if we could just take the first step of allowing the CDC to collect data on the health impacts of all our weaponry.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:07:10pm

So an angry man driven by religion guns down other people. And then there was the shooting in California.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:07:28pm

re: #185 jaunte

Oh, this one went straight to molon labe and 2a solutions - because the guns are going to states where people can’t protect themselves from criminals - except that the crime stats shows the strong gun control states have lower crime rates, lower homicide rates per capita than the lax gun states.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:09:14pm

re: #185 jaunte

Many gun control arguments seem to frequently devolve to a discussion about the impossibility of stopping all gun crime. I’d be happy if we could just take the first step of allowing the CDC to collect data on the health impacts of all our weaponry.

Oh, but we can’t do that. Their responsibility is disease and crime should be left to other agencies.

///////////

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:10:33pm

re: #188 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It seems we ought to be able to have more information (than we are allowed to collect now).

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:11:10pm

Who doesn’t want more information?

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:11:16pm

re: #190 jaunte

Who doesn’t want more information?

The NRA.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:11:17pm

re: #189 jaunte

It seems we ought to be able to have more information (than we are allowed to collect now).

Oh, I agree.

But DF just defended the votes against that concept this week with pretty much those exact words, so.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:11:40pm

re: #192 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Very ostrichy.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:12:06pm

re: #191 thedopefishlives

The NRA.

Pesky liburl acaduhmics convincing sheep to hate guns with their science lies! Konspiracee!

That’s the thought process.

Personally as a gun owner & shooter, I’d LIKE to know more about these problems. Data is good. Where do Joe Wifebeater and Jimmy Streetpunk really get all their guns? I remember watching an episode of COPS in NYC once, where they took a big, shiny .357 magnum off of a kid on the street, and the gun had markings on it from a police department in California. Internal arms smuggling is a problem. It should be studied.

And if all the pro-gun arguments are true, then they should stand up to scrutiny, right?

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:13:39pm

re: #194 Pawn of the Oppressor

Assuming the result before the data is collected.

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dholmes32  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:17:12pm

re: #191 thedopefishlives

The NRA.

Yeah, we have to have a British newspaper (the Guardian) to actually collect just police-related shootings, because there’s NOBODY in the USA collecting this information. NOBODY.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:17:59pm

re: #185 jaunte

Many gun control arguments seem to frequently devolve to a discussion about the impossibility of stopping all gun crime.

The Perfect Solution Fallacy.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:19:09pm

re: #192 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh, I agree.

But DF just defended the votes against that concept this week with pretty much those exact words, so.

I saw that. Thought that was really lame sauce on his part because safety and security are in the CDC’s mission statement.

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:19:40pm

re: #147 Not a Sparkly Vampire

TERROR AIR

TERRIER…ists
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:20:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:20:38pm

re: #200 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Hell of a view.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:21:03pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Hell of a view.

I figured we could all use it today.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:21:51pm

re: #197 goddamnedfrank

Good line from that link:

Complete eradication of drunk driving gun crime is not the expected outcome. The goal is reduction.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:22:03pm

re: #202 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I figured we could all use it today.

Yes, thank you. Today was actually a pretty good day here.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:22:46pm

re: #202 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I figured we could all use it today.

A good stiff drink, some old school Star Trek, and a beautiful scenic view.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:23:12pm

re: #203 jaunte

Good line from that link:
Complete eradication of drunk driving gun crime is not the expected outcome. The goal is reduction.

Right. I don’t think anyone has any expectation that we’ll completely eradicate gun crime but I think substantial reduction is an achievable goal. Of course, the problem are certain bullying obstructionist assholes.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:25:45pm

re: #158 EPR-radar

It had to be quick because CMP is under orders to provide discovery today.

I’m re-reading the appeal and it seems their Strateegery hinged on directing the Court’s attention away from the facts that they’re accused of something a bit more serious than just having a controversial opinion, and that wrongdoing on their part may still be ongoing.

Por ejemplo:

21. Moreover, NAF cannot satisfy the “exacting scrutiny” of the “more demanding heightened relevance standard” (id. at 1164), or even show any legitimate need for the disclosures it demands. The requested identities have no relevance to whether NAF can obtain a preliminary injunction against Petitioners, the sole purpose for which the district court authorized discovery. See D.Ct. Doc.27; see also D.Ct. Doc. 5. The identities also are not relevant to the legal arguments at the heart of the disputes over NAF’s motion for preliminary injunction. And NAF has not articulated any plausible theory for injunctive relief against CMP’s supporters, who indisputably did not execute any confidentiality agreements with NAF, did not conduct any undercover recordings at issue in this case, and received only a general and limited disclosure about the nature of the project. Thus, NAF plainly has failed to satisfy its burden under Perry and is not entitled to the
unredacted documents that the district court ordered CMP to produce.

Unmitigated gall is bolded. They have a “supporter” who helped them violate the TRO, for fuck’s sake.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:26:19pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Right. I don’t think anyone has any expectation that we’ll completely eradicate gun crime but I think substantial reduction is an achievable goal. Of course, the problem are certain bullying obstructionist assholes.

The problem is that the crowd who says gun control won’t totally end gun crime think their own solutions, i.e. just give more people guns and do away with “gun free zones,” will lead to the perfect situation. And if they don’t? “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:27:15pm

AK-47s FOR EVERYONE!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:28:29pm

Some things frankly to me are just common sense. You shouldn’t be able to bring a loaded gun to a place with tons of people or a place where alcohol is being served.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:28:51pm

Well, MSNBC sucks canal water for what they did this morning, but Rachel really “went there” about Trump and Alex Jones and their fellow conspiracy theory travelers. Came right out and said, this is not the fringe—this is the Republican Party.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:32:33pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Some things frankly to me are just common sense. You shouldn’t be able to bring a loaded gun to a place with tons of people or a place where alcohol is being served.

My concern at the moment is driving around in Houston (and knowing my family members are sharing the roads) with thousands of armed potential road ragers.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:32:35pm

re: #211 BeachDem

Well, MSNBC sucks canal water for what they did this morning, but Rachel really “went there” about Trump and Alex Jones and their fellow conspiracy theory travelers. Came right out and said, this is not the fringe—this is the Republican Party.

She’s 100% right. What was once the fringe has become the mainstream. I was thinking about that the other day in regards to Cruz the otehr day. The stuff he espouses you used to see in maybe a fringe House member or two but now it’s espoused in serious presidential candidates and senators.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:33:15pm

re: #211 BeachDem

Well, MSNBC sucks canal water for what they did this morning, but Rachel really “went there” about Trump and Alex Jones and their fellow conspiracy theory travelers. Came right out and said, this is not the fringe—this is the Republican Party.

Trump’s supporters are fascism waiting to happen. If they can’t manage it with Trump, they will be available for the next right wing demagogue to come along.

It’s difficult to see how this threat can be alleviated.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:33:18pm

re: #212 jaunte

My concern at the moment is driving around in Houston (and knowing my family members are sharing the roads) with thousands of armed potential road ragers.

Oh yeah for sure. I was involved in a Fender Bender last month. Thankfully it was resolved amiably but I’ve read about trigger happy assholes killing people over much more trivial things.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:33:46pm

I finally found the chart showing deaths in states and the strength of their gun laws:

Image: guns-mainchart-1203.png

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:33:55pm

re: #214 EPR-radar

Trump’s supporters are fascism waiting to happen. If they can’t manage it with Trump, they will be available for the next right wing demagogue to come along.

It’s difficult to see how this threat can be alleviated.

The hope is they’ll die out but frankly younger wingnuts are just as scary as their older counterparts.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:34:47pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah for sure. I was involved in a Fender Bender last month. Thankfully it was resolved amiably but I’ve read about trigger happy assholes killing people over much more trivial things.

I’ve never understood the NRA position that every moment of rage or irritation in America (even if only minor or momentary) needs to be heavily armed.

That really is nuts.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:35:22pm

re: #218 EPR-radar

I’ve never understood the NRA position that every moment of rage or irritation in America (even if only minor or momentary) needs to be heavily armed.

That really is nuts.

I don’t either. The whole armed society is a polite society is a load of crap.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:35:40pm

re: #211 BeachDem

We need an American BBC or France24.

A good channel that has solid news and opinion, with quality intelligent entertainment.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:35:51pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

The hope is they’ll die out but frankly younger wingnuts are just as scary as their older counterparts.

The younger ones are worse. After all, that’s where the brown shirts will come from, worst case.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:36:15pm

re: #220 The War TARDIS

We need an American BBC or France24.

A good channel that has solid news and opinion, with quality intelligent entertainment.

PBS could be that but as you know a certain party isn’t too fond of them.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:36:29pm

i continue to be astonished at the authority of wingnuts to pronounce decisively on christian as well as muslim theological issues

apparently i have the great privilege of corresponding with some of the great theological minds of the 21st century

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The War TARDIS  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:36:47pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:37:26pm

re: #221 EPR-radar

The younger ones are worse. After all, that’s where the brown shirts will come from, worst case.

Indeed CCJ is younger than I am and Crowder only a couple weeks older. I see a lot of wishful thinking that the hatefulness will die out with a certain generation but that’s frankly not the case. Barry Goldwater would be old enough to be Ted Cruz’s grandpa but guess which one was pro choice and gay rights.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:37:37pm

re: #209 Not a Sparkly Vampire

AK-47s FOR EVERYONE!

Ugh, no thanks.

I pieced together a really nice clone of an East German MPi AK-74N a few years ago. The genuine Commie Bakelite purple furniture and orange mags were kind of cool, and it was fun as hell to shoot, but the sights sucked. People shoot AK’s because they can’t afford anything better.

I actually sold it to a cop in California. Gun laws in California aren’t just restrictive, they’re also a convoluted and selectively applied mess. As near as I could tell, basically if you ever worked in law enforcement, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Somebody can ship a rifle to your door if you like. I still went the safe route and found independent proof that the buyer was a policeman, and I still had it sent to his nearest FFL to be on the safe side.

The problem isn’t just what the laws say, it’s where and how they’re applied.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:37:39pm

Chuck’s boasting again.

His solutions to mass shootings: get rid of all the Muslims, and destroy their property (seriously!). Also “the blacks” and “beta males” are a big problem to Chuck.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:37:41pm

re: #218 EPR-radar

I’ve never understood the NRA position that every moment of rage or irritation in America (even if only minor or momentary) needs to be heavily armed.

That really is nuts.

It basically comes down to, “A Real Man (tm) wouldn’t let himself get pushed around. If someone disagrees with you, shoot his ass, that’s the American Man (tm) way.” I have no idea where it came from or why, but that seems to be the gist of it. Being heavily armed and easily provoked have somehow become desirable masculine traits.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:38:03pm

re: #224 The War TARDIS

Yep.

It’s a shame. I really like the BBC a lot too. My cousin who lives in the UK turned me on to this BBC online radio station that plays a lot of good tunes.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:38:30pm

re: #223 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i continue to be astonished at the authority of wingnuts to pronounce decisively on christian as well as muslim theological issues

apparently i have the great privilege of corresponding with some of the great theological minds of the 21st century

I think you are corresponding with people that pull their theology directly out of their asses, but I have been known to be cynical.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:38:57pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s boasting again.

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His solutions to mass shootings: get rid of all the Muslims, and destroy their property (seriously!). Also “the blacks” and “beta males” are a big problem to Chuck.

He may hurt himself from all the self fellating he does.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:39:56pm

Honestly I don’t know what the answer is. There’s always going to be hateful assholes but I think a better educated populace would do wonders.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:41:06pm

“Multiple police sources” means he probably hangs out at a police forum somewhere. Anybody with a scanner and an internet connection could break that story.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:41:08pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

The way I am reading it, those people are making up a smaller portion of the population, but are far more radical.

In all likelihood, the US is going to have a dark period in the next few decades, as elements Republican Party become Fascist, and starts attacking the rest of the country.

Think the Irish Troubles, on a much larger scale.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:41:40pm

I’m getting here a little late today, because I felt like sleeping in. Hah. But I did peek at this post before Charles updated it, and thought to myself, “The Supreme Court justice won’t grant cert and the appeal will fail.”

Then, when I checked LGF again, I found I was right. Double hah!

But, we won’t get to see the immediate results of the discovery moving ahead, because the names demanded will be for ATTORNEYS EYES ONLY. The 9th Circuit noted this more private way of divulging the demanded information as one reason to deny CMP’s appeal. The denial’s reasoning was sound, so there was no reason for SCOTUS to bother with it.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:42:43pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

Honestly I don’t know what the answer is. There’s always going to be hateful assholes but I think a better educated populace would do wonders.

I’ve been saying this for years. The decline in voluntary education - the lack of emphasis on learning how to learn, and on loving to learn - has done major damage to this country socially and politically.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:43:06pm

re: #234 The War TARDIS

The way I am reading it, those people are making up a smaller portion of the population, but are far more radical.

In all likelihood, the US is going to have a dark period in the next few decades, as elements Republican Party become Fascist, and starts attacking the rest of the country.

Think the Irish Troubles, on a much larger scale.

Oh they are for sure but they’re the ones who are going to be rising through the ranks of the Republican Party as you and I get older. I wouldn’t compare it to the Troubles really. I like WBL’s comp to the rise of fascism in Spain or perhaps even Weimar Germany with the myths of betrayal. It’s about one part of the country refusing to accept modernity and secularism.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:46:31pm

re: #234 The War TARDIS

The way I am reading it, those people are making up a smaller portion of the population, but are far more radical.

In all likelihood, the US is going to have a dark period in the next few decades, as elements Republican Party become Fascist, and starts attacking the rest of the country.

Think the Irish Troubles, on a much larger scale.

i’ll repeat it: i fully expect trump to say at some point “if you liberals continue this anti-american talk, i don’t know if i will be able to protect you anymore”

then we’ll be in full frontal fascist mode

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:46:40pm

I am glad the country is getting more diverse though. What I see white supremacist assholes like Duke do try to scare white middle aged people into sympathizing with his cause is to scare them about a future where their grandchildren are persecuted. Of course, as the country has gotten more diverse, we’ve seen a rise in interracial marriages and such. My own sister in law is from Peru and has indigenous Peruvian and we think even some African descent. My parents weren’t bothered by that at all and my niece isn’t treated any different than if her mother had been of similar cultural background to my brother and I.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:47:05pm

re: #238 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’ll repeat it: i fully expect trump to say at some point “if you liberals continue this anti-american talk, i don’t know if i will be able to protect you anymore”

then we’ll be in full frontal fascist mode

He really relishes on scaring the living fuck out of his audience.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:47:18pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

It’s about one part of the country refusing to accept modernity and secularism.

I had to re-read to be sure you weren’t talking about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Afghanistan here.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:49:56pm
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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:50:24pm

re: #220 The War TARDIS

We need an American BBC or France24.

A good channel that has solid news and opinion, with quality intelligent entertainment.

For the most part, I agree, but I believe BBC was one of the networks represented at this morning’s apartment debacle.

What I think we need is for news divisions to be separated from the profit/entertainment segments of networks, as they used to be. Cable news stations should be part of the FCC licensing procedure (which needs to go back to having some teeth), and there should be a price to pay for irresponsible, bogus news coverage.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:50:37pm

re: #241 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I had to re-read to be sure you weren’t talking about Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Afghanistan here.

Yeah that’s the thing isn’t it. You got one part of the country that embraces modernity. I see us and people like my folks in that side. Some people have overcome their past prejudices to get there but they’ve gotten there. Other people are still bitter over the Civil Rights Movement being successful. Hell some of them with their CSA flags can’t accept an event that ended when my great great grandparents were children.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:51:07pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

I’d ask where the fuck that came from, but we all know: The bottom of a whiskey bottle.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:51:50pm

All Trump does is tap one particular demographic and repeat their pet hates back at them. It’s actually really easy.

“Mexicans? They come in, I’ll send them out! Starting with that one in the corner. Go on, GET OUT, Mexican! Hur hur! Now we’ll build a wall!”
“We all know those Mooslims are trouble and that they bomb us! So let’s cause them trouble, and bomb them!”
“We know that black people are loud! I’ll make them shut up! Go on there, kick that loud black guy in the crowd, he deserves it!”
“That thing you hate? I hate it too, and I’ll make your revenge fantasy happen!”

Do that enough, and people develop a devotion. The WANT to believe. My own father was somehow convinced that Trump had been in the USMC, not because of any facts, but because my dad associates the Marines with great things. He wanted Trump to be a Marine, so he was, until my mother set him straight.

Hate is a religion all its own. Mr. H with the funny mustache understood this well.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:52:17pm

Chuck thinks Muslims are “genetically different in their propensity for violence and rape.”

He doesn’t seem to understand that Islam is a religion, not a genome. This guy is really, really sick in the head.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:52:25pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

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CCJ circa 1849, don’t let violent Irish in.
CCJ circa 1924, don’t let violent Jews, Slavs, and Italians in.
Same bigoted shit, different year. Timothy McVeigh was a white guy who killed over a 160 people and no one I repeat no one tried blaming white males who had served in the military for it.

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bratwurst  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:52:46pm

For the first time since 1920, The New York Times has a front page editorial…on the gun epidemic.

These are weapons of war, barely modified and deliberately marketed as tools of macho vigilantism and even insurrection.

Prepare for much gnashing of teeth and assertion of implied insult to friends and family.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:53:10pm

re: #245 thedopefishlives

I’d ask where the fuck that came from, but we all know: The bottom of a whiskey bottle.

A waste of good whiskey if you ask me. Whiskey should lead to the works of the writers I saw at the Dublin Writers Museum.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:54:00pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

A waste of good whiskey if you ask me. Whiskey should lead to the works of the writers I saw at the Dublin Writers Museum.

I don’t even know if the Rage Furby is sophisticated enough to drink good whiskey. I always envisioned him swilling something cheap, plentiful, and incredibly watered down.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:54:20pm

One thing we need to make sure of is that we talk about both shooting stories together.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:55:12pm

re: #251 thedopefishlives

I don’t even know if the Rage Furby is sophisticated enough to drink good whiskey. I always envisioned him swilling something cheap, plentiful, and incredibly watered down.

Probably and man can I say just again how much I love Rage Furby as a nickname for him.

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Kryptik  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:56:09pm

re: #228 thedopefishlives

It basically comes down to, “A Real Man (tm) wouldn’t let himself get pushed around. If someone disagrees with you, shoot his ass, that’s the American Man (tm) way.” I have no idea where it came from or why, but that seems to be the gist of it. Being heavily armed and easily provoked have somehow become desirable masculine traits.

Once again, it comes down to people managing to sell blatant paranoia and pants-wetting fear as the height of courage and vigilance.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:57:19pm

It comes as no surprise that Chuck has an “analysis” of the California shooting, but nothing similar for the Colorado Springs shooting, other than to blame Planned Parenthood for it.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:57:38pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Probably and man can I say just again how much I love Rage Furby as a nickname for him.

I never really cottoned onto UpChuck or Chuckles, mostly because variations on that theme were the way the stalkers referred to our Charles. Rage Furby just makes me laugh every time I read it or type it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:57:58pm

re: #251 thedopefishlives

I don’t even know if the Rage Furby is sophisticated enough to drink good whiskey. I always envisioned him swilling something cheap, plentiful, and incredibly watered down.

Zima

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2015 • 6:58:10pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Oh they are for sure but they’re the ones who are going to be rising through the ranks of the Republican Party as you and I get older. I wouldn’t compare it to the Troubles really. I like WBL’s comp to the rise of fascism in Spain or perhaps even Weimar Germany with the myths of betrayal. It’s about one part of the country refusing to accept modernity and secularism.

Fortunately it’s predominately the part that is getting old and dying. I’m not too worried, they’re still losing the demographic war, being replaced by younger generations less prone to revanchist white angst.

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Kryptik  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:00:40pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

Chuck thinks Muslims are “genetically different in their propensity for violence and rape.”

He doesn’t seem to understand that Islam is a religion, not a genome. This guy is really, really sick in the head.

Islamophobia has a deeply incestuous connection with racism as is. God knows how many people get targeted because they ‘look like a Muslim’ or ‘sound like a Muslim’, and far too often, ‘look like’ ends up equaling ‘Middle Eastern’ or otherwise brown in some way.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:00:54pm

re: #258 goddamnedfrank

Fortunately it’s predominately the part that is getting old and dying. I’m not too worried, they’re still losing the demographic war, being replaced by younger generations less prone to revanchist white angst.

True the demographic battle does give me hope too and man if Texas could become competitive in a Presidential election, it might be Game Over for them. I can’t see an universe where they’d lose California, Texas, and New York and still be competitive on a Presidential level.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:01:38pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

Poor Rage Furby. Maybe soon he’ll understand the phrase ‘Pride goeth before the fall.’

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Kryptik  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:02:00pm

re: #258 goddamnedfrank

Fortunately it’s predominately the part that is getting old and dying. I’m not too worried, they’re still losing the demographic war, being replaced by younger generations less prone to revanchist white angst.

Cursory glances between Facebook, Twitter, and peers that I’m all too aware of do not give me anywhere near the hope of this as you guys.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:02:19pm

Meanwhile, on his Facebook page Chuck is asking for suggestions for a new gun, not a handgun since he already has “plenty” of those. And he asked how hard it is to get a concealed carry permit in California.

When his various court cases come crashing down on him, and they will, people need to really watch out for this guy. He’s not stable, and he owns lots of guns.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:05:59pm

re: #251 thedopefishlives

I don’t even know if the Rage Furby is sophisticated enough to drink good whiskey. I always envisioned him swilling something cheap, plentiful, and incredibly watered down.

I can’t believe those guys who saw him at dinner in SF didn’t note what he was drinking.

I don’t really do peat, except for Laphroaig which is freaking amazing. I prefer younger, hotter flavors. Appearing on my regular shelf, in alphabetical order:

Auchentoshan 12 - Xmas in a bottle!
Glendronach 12 - Fruity (a replacement for the Macallan Sherry Oak 12 which I’ve heard has been discontinued)
Laphroaig 10 - Undisputed king of campfire-in-a-bottle flavor :D
Oban 14 - Nice peppery hot mustard
Talisker 10 - Just an all-around great IMO

There’s also Old Pulteney 12 which I’m not sure I’ll keep in stock. I really like how it turns oceanic with a drop of water, but it doesn’t stand out much otherwise.

On the cheap side, I keep Jameson and Johnny Walker Black handy. I refer to JWB as “Thinkin’ fluid” due to my habit of having some while writing for enjoyment. ;) And Jameson is my go-to for making Irish Coffee. Cheap, plentiful, tasty.

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:06:19pm

re: #259 Kryptik

Islamophobia has a deeply incestuous connection with racism as is. God knows how many people get targeted because they ‘look like a Muslim’ or ‘sound like a Muslim’, and far too often, ‘look like’ ends up equaling ‘Middle Eastern’ or otherwise brown in some way.

How many poor turban-wearing Sikhs have been attacked by citizens believing they were Muslims?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:06:25pm

And in the midst of all this, we’re coming up on the 3rd anniversary of Sandy Hook.

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TedStriker  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:06:35pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

However, they are also under order to produce the required documents today, so they probably don’t get another chance for a SCOTUS intervention at this time.

Instead they either comply with discovery, or piss off a Federal judge by not complying. Pass the popcorn.

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The Mountain That Blogs  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:06:36pm

LOOK AT MEEEEEEE

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:06:39pm

re: #265 thedopefishlives

How many poor turban-wearing Sikhs have been attacked by citizens believing they were Muslims?

One too many.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:07:39pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

I can see the headines soon from Wonkette:

“Rage Fuby goes Full Kincannon because of course he could. Film at 11”.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:07:42pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, on his Facebook page Chuck is asking for suggestions for a new gun, not a handgun since he already has “plenty” of those. And he asked how hard it is to get a concealed carry permit in California.

When he was still on Twitter he claimed that he had gotten a CCW permit. He must have been lying then, like always.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:07:48pm

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

And in the midst of all this, we’re coming up on the 3rd anniversary of Sandy Hook.

Already. Those kids would be in 4th grade this year. Another holiday season they won’t be able to enjoy. Sigh fucking Lanza.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:07:56pm

re: #145 jaunte

O-o

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Somebody needs to take his meds.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:07:57pm

re: #268 The Mountain That Blogs

Should I report that tweet?

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A Cranky One  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:08:50pm

re: #271 goddamnedfrank

When he was still on Twitter he claimed that he had gotten a CCW permit. He must have been lying then, like always.

He probably meant he’d gotten a CCJ permit, allowing him to shoot himself in the foot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:09:38pm

re: #275 A Cranky One

A CCJ permit! LMAO.

But shouldn’t it be “shit himself on the floor” instead?

/

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thedopefishlives  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:11:26pm

re: #275 A Cranky One

He probably meant he’d gotten a CCJ permit, allowing him to shoot himself in the foot.

That there’s funny, I don’t care who y’are.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:11:44pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

Chucky the red here is tap-dancing on my last nerve.

My friends are all Muslim Immigrants, and he is on FB. I really, really, want to go to his profile, and chew him right out.

All but one of my friends is an immigrant, or first generation American.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:11:44pm

re: #211 BeachDem

stole your comment & tweeted.

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Mattand  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:11:52pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, on his Facebook page Chuck is asking for suggestions for a new gun, not a handgun since he already has “plenty” of those. And he asked how hard it is to get a concealed carry permit in California.

When his various court cases come crashing down on him, and they will, people need to really watch out for this guy. He’s not stable, and he owns lots of guns.

This is the kind of University-of-Texas-clocktower shit that that I worry this guy is capable of. Is it worth it to go to the authorities?

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The War TARDIS  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:12:45pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Honestly, I think he will be the one to attack a mosque in the US.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:12:54pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, on his Facebook page Chuck is asking for suggestions for a new gun, not a handgun since he already has “plenty” of those. And he asked how hard it is to get a concealed carry permit in California.

When his various court cases come crashing down on him, and they will, people need to really watch out for this guy. He’s not stable, and he owns lots of guns.

Given the time of year, someone should suggest a Daisy Red Ryder…

More seriously, this is another reason to be glad he’s in Cali and not, say, Texas.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:13:49pm

re: #271 goddamnedfrank

When he was still on Twitter he claimed that he had gotten a CCW permit. He must have been lying then, like always.

Yes, he was lying. I remember him boasting about a CCW permit more than once.

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Lidane  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:13:56pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea Toujours

He is NOT TCWSNBN

LOL no. I’d hate myself if I had to work for a slime like Trump. Or Ted Cruz.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:15:23pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:15:37pm

re: #280 Mattand

He’s got too high an opinion of himself to do something like that. And he’s smart enough not to get into real shit, just bluster about it. He’ll let the shooters fill up the getaway car with his gas card, but he won’t do any shooting himself.

Being out of communication is his real fear. The only time he’s ever seemed upset about anything is when he got de-Twittered. He’s a Professional Troll and without an audience he doesn’t exist.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:16:10pm

re: #255 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It comes as no surprise that Chuck has an “analysis” of the California shooting, but nothing similar for the Colorado Springs shooting, other than to blame Planned Parenthood for it.

Chuck just happens to be parroting the rest of the right wing when it comes to the blame game.

There have been about a dozen cases of rightwingers on killing sprees during the past several months, and in EVERY case they have blamed the victims of those acts of violence, whether it be a Planned Parenthood clinic, a Black Lives Matter march, or a church in South Carolina. All of this being egged on by what can only be described as neo-Fascists bent on one-upmanship on the Republican campaign trail.

After the events in San Bernardino this week, from what I am witnessing, they are in a murderous froth, and I do not doubt for one moment that before the year is out there is going to be a revenge-inspired attack - one that will either target a large number of people, or an attempt against a political leader who they perceive as their enemy. I can only hope that they will be stopped before they can carry it out.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:21:25pm

Two things that happened to Ron Fournier today.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:22:30pm

On Monday, Chuck’s going to be ordered to complete his deposition to the NAF’s lawyers, clearly. The shit is coming down on Chuck, and he only started ranting about guns on Facebook after the Supreme Court appeal was denied. This is what he posted earlier:

He hasn’t mentioned the SCOTUS ruling at all. Just started asking about guns and CCW permits after the ruling. He’s probably drinking heavily.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:25:31pm

re: #280 Mattand

Nope. We have to wait until he actually makes an actionable threat even worse than notorious Anti-LGBT Godbother Joshua Feuerstein does routinely.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:26:44pm

I’m sure the NAF’s lawyers are reading all of this deranged stuff Chuck is posting. I hope they’re taking it seriously; they need to make sure he doesn’t bring a gun into that deposition.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:29:25pm

re: #287 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I’m pretty much convinced that a Hillary victory will trigger something like a Civil War Lite. There will be towns that go Sovereign Citizen, armed posses, probably shootouts with militia types. Multiple Greenwood-style “riots” (read: attacks on non-white neighborhoods). Most of the GOP front-runners will be in there looking to get famous. I expect a couple of mini-religious kingdoms to be declared in the Confederacy too.

And of course Texas will probably try to split off entirely. I don’t want to be here for that because after Abbot takes care of the brown, his kind of people will be after the unbelievers and the Democrats next. It’s a long-ass drive to the borders and I’d rather not die out here.

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dholmes32  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:30:06pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

I’m sure the NAF’s lawyers are reading all of this deranged stuff Chuck is posting. I hope they’re taking it seriously; they need to make sure he doesn’t bring a gun into that deposition.

Can they actually do that? (Don’t know what the laws are in California.) May have to schedule the deposition in a building with a No Weapons, None Whatsoever policy.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:30:50pm

re: #90 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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GOP already getting a head start on the reconquista of the US “homeland.”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:32:19pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:32:43pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

I hate to say it, but UpChuck’s right about the media always misreporting guns.

Case in point: A local newspaper reports on a car crash where several firearms were found in the vehicle. One of the weapons was ‘a machine gun.’ A version of the story I saw earlier stated the ‘machine gun had a silencer.’

o-O

Obviously the reporters had not the slightest idea of what they were talking about.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:35:21pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:35:55pm

re: #293 dholmes32

Can they actually do that? (Don’t know what the laws are in California.) May have to schedule the deposition in a building with a No Weapons, None Whatsoever policy.

We know how well he shoots. There’s nothing to worry about.

//only half-kidding

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:36:14pm

re: #296 Romantic Heretic

I hate to say it, but UpChuck’s right about the media always misreporting guns.

Case in point: A local newspaper reports on a car crash where several firearms were found in the vehicle. One of the weapons was ‘a machine gun.’ A version of the story I saw earlier stated the ‘machine gun had a silencer.’

o-O

Obviously the reporters had not the slightest idea of what they were talking about.

But that’s not Chuck’s point. He thinks the media are faking and exaggerating reports about gun violence, not just getting the terminology wrong.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:36:43pm

re: #296 Romantic Heretic

Obviously the reporters had not the slightest idea of what they were talking about.

A Reporters Guide to Guns

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:37:44pm

re: #293 dholmes32

Can they actually do that? (Don’t know what the laws are in California.) May have to schedule the deposition in a building with a No Weapons, None Whatsoever policy.

Many (or most?) California public buildings like courthouses now have metal detectors at the entrances. I’m a bit concerned though, because it looks like Chuck’s last interrupted deposition took place at the MoFo office.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:39:48pm

Honestly, getting terminology wrong, or calling a semi-auto rifle a “machine gun” are the last things we need to worry about at this point.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:40:19pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

But that’s not Chuck’s point. He thinks the media are faking and exaggerating reports about gun violence, not just getting the terminology wrong.

The person lawhawk was tweeting earlier was like that. lawhawk posted an msnbc link, and the other person dismissed it as not evidence since msnbc. I posted the link above from the national journal, and they did the same thing.

The only evidence they will take is their evidence.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:41:19pm

That’s why I get frustrated and irritated when people deflect discussions of gun violence into technical nit-picking over terminology. What we call the guns doesn’t matter. What matters are the people being killed by them.

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bratwurst  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:42:33pm

re: #302 Charles Johnson

Honestly, getting terminology wrong, or calling a semi-auto rifle a “machine gun” are the last things we need to worry about at this point.

Exactly. I think it was in the wake of Aurora, Colorado (although there are so many of these fucking things I lose track) when this tactic was used heavily, even here, to shut people who are not technically knowledgable about killing machines out of the discussion.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:44:22pm

It’s not a clip. It’s a magazine!

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dholmes32  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:44:42pm

re: #301 Charles Johnson

Many (or most?) California public buildings like courthouses now have metal detectors at the entrances. I’m a bit concerned though, because it looks like Chuck’s last interrupted deposition took place at the MoFo office.

Well, I know of some very large bank buildings in downtown San Francisco that have No Guns Absolutely None Whatsoever policies. Wonder if any of them rent space out for depositions?

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:44:45pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

Ah. Should have thought of that.

Thanks.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:46:01pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

On Monday, Chuck’s going to be ordered to complete his deposition to the NAF’s lawyers, clearly. The shit is coming down on Chuck, and he only started ranting about guns on Facebook after the Supreme Court appeal was denied. This is what he posted earlier:

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He hasn’t mentioned the SCOTUS ruling at all. Just started asking about guns and CCW permits after the ruling. He’s probably drinking heavily.

He’s misquoting deliberately. The subpoena is not about donors, but about CMP associates who knew about the infiltration and had access to the materials.

And CCJ might well be one of them, caught up in a RICO case.

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bratwurst  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:46:13pm

re: #306 GlutenFreeJesus

It’s not a clip. It’s a magazine!

That was it. I was made to feel that my desire to make it harder for the James Holmes of the world to kill a lot of people quickly was invalid because I was not clear on the whole clip/drum/magazine thing.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:50:36pm

re: #309 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s misquoting deliberately. The subpoena is not about donors, but about CMP associates who knew about the infiltration and had access to the materials.

And CCJ might well be one of them, caught up in a RICO case.

Yep. Chuck’s nuts are in a vise, and he’s doing his best to pretend he doesn’t notice. He clearly convinced himself SCOTUS would rule in the CMP’s favor, and he has to be sweating a little bit now, because his name is undoubtedly among the names the CMP is going to have to turn over.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:52:33pm

re: #302 Charles Johnson

Honestly, getting terminology wrong, or calling a semi-auto rifle a “machine gun” are the last things we need to worry about at this point.

It annoys the crap out of me when that’s nitpicked.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:53:28pm

re: #310 bratwurst

That was it. I was made to feel that my desire to make it harder for the James Holmes of the world to kill a lot of people quickly was invalid because I was not clear on the whole clip/drum/magazine thing.

Yeah, it’s really annoying and it’s a diversionary tactic. Yeah I don’t have an encyclopedic knowledge of guns but I know this much, that thing can kill a lot of people fast.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:56:27pm

What I find really batshit insane is that martial art instruments (nunchucks, bo staffs, shirukens) are treated with even more restrictions than firearms in some jurisdictions.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 7:56:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:00:40pm

re: #314 Eric The Fruit Bat

What I find really batshit insane is that martial art instruments (nunchucks, bo staffs, shirukens) are treated with even more restrictions than firearms in some jurisdictions.

I think fertilizer has been regulated since the OKC attack. The point I’m going to go with is that we did implement regulations on automobiles and planes at a time when accidents from those two were common. And while we obviously did not eradicate car crashes and plane crashes, we have cut down on them dramatically. The problem really is the gun lobby having politicians by the balls and intimidating anyone who doesn’t share their view. I’m sick of anyone sensible on gun issues being made out to be a “gun grabber” or some stupid slur like that from some asshole who has never seen the horrible effects of gun violence on their community.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:03:41pm

I’d like to read more about how the NRA went from being a fairly sensible organization to honestly one of the most despicable lobbying groups in Washington. And gun issues weren’t always such a Dem/Republican issue. I remember plenty of Republicans including Reagan himself when I was younger that supported sensible policies.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:04:45pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

Yep. Chuck’s nuts are in a vise, and he’s doing his best to pretend he doesn’t notice. He clearly convinced himself SCOTUS would rule in the CMP’s favor, and he has to be sweating a little bit now, because his name is undoubtedly among the names the CMP is going to have to turn over.

The NAF already suspects collusion, judging from the redacted motions I’ve read so far. Finding Chuck’s name on that list would be icing on the cake.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:06:28pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

I’d like to read more about how the NRA went from being a fairly sensible organization to honestly one of the most despicable lobbying groups in Washington. And gun issues weren’t always such a Dem/Republican issue. I remember plenty of Republicans including Reagan himself when I was younger that supported sensible policies.

You need to watch this.

pbs.org

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:06:52pm

Meanwhile in Texas, it’s still 1860.

Texas secession resolution passes GOP committee, headed for Party vote Saturday

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bratwurst  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:07:27pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

I’d like to read more about how the NRA went from being a fairly sensible organization to honestly one of the most despicable lobbying groups in Washington. And gun issues weren’t always such a Dem/Republican issue. I remember plenty of Republicans including Reagan himself when I was younger that supported sensible policies.

How about George H.W. Bush resigning from the NRA 20 years ago…when their rhetoric was relatively tame compared to today?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:07:35pm

re: #319 GlutenFreeJesus

You need to watch this.

pbs.org

Thanks certainly will do.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:08:34pm

re: #321 bratwurst

How about George H.W. Bush resigning from the NRA 20 years ago…when their rhetoric was relatively tame compared to today?

Yeah I do remember that. Wow that was 20 years ago before Columbine even. I can’t imagine what H.W thinks now. I always respected him for that.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:12:17pm

re: #320 jaunte

Meanwhile in Texas, it’s still 1860.

Texas secession resolution passes GOP committee, headed for Party vote Saturday

The comment I just posted to facebook on this: “Full on one party in this state is unAmerican.”

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bratwurst  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:16:21pm

Someone already has a sad about the NYT front page editorial:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:18:41pm

re: #325 bratwurst

Someone already has a sad about the NYT front page editorial:

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Oh boo fucking hoo Billy. And honestly you should talk to your fellow conservatives about Nazism. Many of them were really quiet about it when they saw Hitler and friends as bulwarks against communists.

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:18:42pm

re: #325 bratwurst

Right, Bill. The NYT has never taken a stand against anything except that one other thing until ‘guns’.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:20:13pm

re: #327 stpaulbear

Right, Bill. The NYT has never taken a stand against anything except that one other thing until ‘guns’.

He’s flipping out about the front page editorial part. Honestly, this is a real problem in our country. And it would be nice if conservatives got their heads out of their asses for once on the issue instead of continuing to accept a status quo where mass shootings are casual occurrences. But hey at least we know they’re praying!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:21:28pm

It’s Friday night, I just polished off that bottle of wine (it was half a bottle left of a low-alcohol sweet wine), so let’s have some random Twitter:

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:23:02pm

Just finished a book called _Fields of Blood: Religion and the History of Violence _ by Karen Armstrong.

The linked review covers it better than I can.
NY Times Review

My one additional observation is that the book points out that many of the religion-based reactions against states or their religion have had a basis that the religion or state in question was ignoring the tenets that the religion is heavily based upon caring and supporting others, especially the poor and disadvantaged. Reform movements start in order to take things back to basics - and then they seem to get derailed.

There is also a sort of base point that civilization developing (agrarian societies) are dependent on the creation of an underclass that is exploited to produce the surpluses that allow for the creation of the artisan, warrior, and aristo (patron) classes. And that this is a sort of requirement as well. True, but I don’t know what sort of alternative there ever might have been.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:24:42pm
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Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:26:19pm

After confirming that the San Bernardino was an act of terrorism, the ‘debate’ should have moved to how many tons of bombs we’re going to have our B-52s drop on Raqqa and how many Russian bombers can we get Putin send for a second wave. Pleading to disarm one’s own citizens after being attacked by the enemy is an act of insanity. The question we should be asking instead about what sort of weapons we’re going to use on the enemy.

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bratwurst  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:26:47pm

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Many of them were really quiet about it when they saw Hitler and friends as bulwarks against communists.

One well known conservative still clings to that point of view!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:27:01pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

…dude, it was a low alcohol bottle of wine. I’m so not drunk enough for this.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:27:43pm

re: #329 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s Friday night, I just polished off that bottle of wine (it was half a bottle left of a low-alcohol sweet wine), so let’s have some random Twitter:

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What’s sad is that 4-5 of those guys are already dead.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:29:34pm

re: #333 bratwurst

One well known conservative still clings to that point of view!

I’ll give Pat this much, he’s honest about being a Francoist fuckwad.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:29:37pm

So, which state are we going to bomb? If bombing is the appropriate response. Illinois because he was born there, or California because that’s where he lived and the attack was carried out?

Asking for a friend.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:30:09pm

re: #334 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…dude, it was a low alcohol bottle of wine. I’m so not drunk enough for this.

I’d share some of my brandy if we were closer. It’s much higher content.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:30:35pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

You remember that saying about always fighting the last war? That B-52 solution failed several wars back.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:30:47pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

After confirming that the San Bernardino was an act of terrorism, the ‘debate’ should have moved to how many tons of bombs we’re going to have our B-52s drop on Raqqa and how many Russian bombers can we get Putin send for a second wave. Pleading to disarm one’s own citizens after being attacked by the enemy is an act of insanity. the question sohlu d be instead about what sort of weapons we’re going to use on the enemy.

Yeah let’s bomb a foreign country over the actions of an American born mass murderer. Come the fuck on.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:31:15pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

I’d share some of my brandy if we were closer. It’s much higher content.

Oh, I’ve got the gin if I need it, but thanks for the offer. :)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:32:09pm

re: #341 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh, I’ve got the gin if I need it, but thanks for the offer. :)

Smart. I’m probably going to watch a movie in a little bit myself.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:32:52pm

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Smart. I’m probably going to watch a movie in a little bit myself.

I am plotting a new phone homescreen and stitching in a bit.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:33:36pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

After confirming that the San Bernardino was an act of terrorism, the ‘debate’ should have moved to how many tons of bombs we’re going to have our B-52s drop on Raqqa and how many Russian bombers can we get Putin send for a second wave. Pleading to disarm one’s own citizens after being attacked by the enemy is an act of insanity. the question sohlu d be instead about what sort of weapons we’re going to use on the enemy.

So you’re advocating the carpet bombing of Chicago?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:33:54pm

And no one is talking about disarming our citizens although let me point this out, this guy was a citizen. What we are fucking talking about are policies that ensure that the wrong people don’t get guns and shoot and kill our people. That includes people like this guy and that also includes white Christians like Robert fucking Dear.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:34:30pm

re: #341 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh, I’ve got the gin if I need it, but thanks for the offer. :)

I had my weekly gin and tonic early in the evening. Might need some more soon.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:35:17pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

Sweet gish gallop, bro.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:35:22pm

re: #346 Feline Fearless Leader

I had my weekly gin and tonic early in the evening. Might need some more soon.

No more for me tonight since I did the big glass of the wine (sadface) but I am thinking a good solid one tomorrow with the Fever-tree tonic. Need to decide on the gin though.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:36:06pm

re: #345 HappyWarrior

Rhetoric like “disarming our citizens” suggests that random armed citizens keep us safe, when the opposite is true.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:36:24pm

re: #349 jaunte

Rhetoric like “disarming our citizens” suggests that random armed citizens keep us safe, when the opposite is true.

Yep that too.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:36:41pm

Chuck C. Johnson is armed. Everyone near Clovis feel safer?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:37:18pm

re: #325 bratwurst

Someone already has a sad about the NYT front page editorial:

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OT: but why hasn’t someone suggested to BK that his avatar shouldn’t be “feed me peeled grapes”?

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:37:19pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

After confirming that the San Bernardino was an act of terrorism, the ‘debate’ should have moved to how many tons of bombs we’re going to have our B-52s drop on Raqqa and how many Russian bombers can we get Putin send for a second wave. Pleading to disarm one’s own citizens after being attacked by the enemy is an act of insanity. the question sohlu d be instead about what sort of weapons we’re going to use on the enemy.

Are they magazines or clips?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:38:58pm

re: #351 jaunte

Chuck C. Johnson is armed. Everyone near Clovis feel safer?

If he is chipping his own spear points as effectively as he does everything else. Yes.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:40:17pm

re: #353 Belafon

Are they magazines or clips?

Are we the x’s or the zeroes?

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Tigger2  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:40:34pm

re: #319 GlutenFreeJesus

You need to watch this.

pbs.org

To me it seems to have started changing around the time of Charlton Hestons “From My Cold Dead Hands” time period. I know that’s the time I got fed up with the NRA and left the organisation they when to stupid for me.

Charlton Heston; From My Cold Dead Hands. Long Version

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:43:21pm

re: #344 Feline Fearless Leader

So you’re advocating the carpet bombing of Chicago?

Only US Cellular Field.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:46:16pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

After confirming that the San Bernardino was an act of terrorism, the ‘debate’ should have moved to how many tons of bombs we’re going to have our B-52s drop on Raqqa and how many Russian bombers can we get Putin send for a second wave. Pleading to disarm one’s own citizens after being attacked by the enemy is an act of insanity. The question we should be asking instead about what sort of weapons we’re going to use on the enemy.

You do realize that the Syed Farook was a US citizen, right? How do you think bombing the shit out of a city in Syria is going to do anything to stop people like this? Has it occurred to you that you’re reacting exactly like the radical Islamists want you to react?

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:47:50pm

re: #243 BeachDem

For news, I watch AlJazeera America. It’s the only reason I keep my cable box.

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Tigger2  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:48:28pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

After confirming that the San Bernardino was an act of terrorism, the ‘debate’ should have moved to how many tons of bombs we’re going to have our B-52s drop on Raqqa and how many Russian bombers can we get Putin send for a second wave. Pleading to disarm one’s own citizens after being attacked by the enemy is an act of insanity. the question sohlu d be instead about what sort of weapons we’re going to use on the enemy.

Should we also send the bombers after the Christian areas in American after Dear the Christian Terrorist attacked the PP clinic.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:50:21pm

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

Only US Cellular Field.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:50:24pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

You do realize that is what ISIS wants! The more we bomb in the Middle East, the more people will join ISIS to retaliate!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:51:18pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

Latest reports are now saying Dae’sh are now using child soldiers on the battlefield-that’s how bad things have gotten for them. Taking back Raq’qa is best left to Islamic forces and not by us, Russia, France, or Germany.

The FBI is still investigating this case-even though they’re labeling it terrorism now, that could change as the investigation moves forward-so don’t be so ready to slam the US’s Armed forces dick on the table just because we can-If Reagan were alive today he wouldn’t even made it past the first debate.

The GOP must be stopped any any and all means necessary.

re: #359 Joe Bacon

I have BBC World Service in my RAV4 and can stream it in my Home Theater rig and via my cellphone.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:52:06pm

Dark_Falcon and his army are ON IT!

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Joe Bacon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:53:32pm

re: #363 Eric The Fruit Bat

I have BBC World Service in my RAV4 and can stream it in my Home Theater rig and via my cellphone.

When I’m not home, I listen to the BBC on Sirius.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:55:58pm

Deleted. I’m not going to have this fight, since it serves no one’s interest.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:57:17pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

You couldn’t have proved my point in #364 any better. Bravo.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:57:26pm

re: #356 Tigger2

To me it seems to have started changing around the time of Charlton Hestons “From My Cold Dead Hands” time period. I know that’s the time I got fed up with the NRA and left the organisation they when to stupid for me.

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Yup. The Frontline special touches pretty heavily on that.

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gwangung  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:58:28pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Deleted. I’m not going to have this fight, since it serves no one’s interest.

If you’re going to have a fight, please suggest solutions that fit the problem instead of random talking points.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:58:35pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

It has, but I believe that they’ve overstated their resilience and underestimate how hard we can hit them.

And I’m not planning a carpet bombing raid either. But I am thinking of raids designed to wreck every governmental building in the city, coupled with raids on power stations, fuel storage, and any bridges that are in the area. I want Raqqa to be unable to function as a city.

Fuck your cowardice.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:58:39pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

It has, but I believe that they’ve overstated their resilience and underestimate how hard we can hit them.

And I’m not planning a carpet bombing raid either. But I am thinking of raids designed to wreck every governmental building in the city, coupled with raids on power stations, fuel storage, and any bridges that are in the area. I want Raqqa to be unable to function as a city.

When can we drop you off?

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:59:22pm

re: #370 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I deleted that post. It was inflammatory.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 4, 2015 • 8:59:50pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

I deleted that post. It was inflammatory.

Tough shit. They were your words. You get to own them.

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Tigger2  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:01:25pm

re: #368 GlutenFreeJesus

Yup. The Frontline special touches pretty heavily on that.

Oh, I hadn’t watch it yet, I was still listening to Bob and Chez on another window. Going to watch it now.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:02:04pm

If there’s anything that really grinds my gears, it’s fucking chickenhawks calling for mass death across the world from the safety of a computer screen.

Fucking cowards.

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WhatEVs  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:09:26pm

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

I deleted that post. It was inflammatory.

What’s sad is your inability to see that your post wasnt just inflammatory and what the issue is that people have with your concept. Unfortunately, it’s across the board.

No one can change how you think. I find your thinking really sad. You want to kill random people. You think people don’t deserve to be able to buy health insurance. You see nothing problematic in allowing every Tom, Dick and Harry to buy as many guns as desired with no conditions. Killers are bad when they’re Muslim but Ok when they attack women!m’s health care centers.

Your thinking bums me out. It’s sad my fellow citizens are so blinded by hatred.

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palomino  Dec 4, 2015 • 9:46:39pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

After confirming that the San Bernardino was an act of terrorism, the ‘debate’ should have moved to how many tons of bombs we’re going to have our B-52s drop on Raqqa and how many Russian bombers can we get Putin send for a second wave. Pleading to disarm one’s own citizens after being attacked by the enemy is an act of insanity. The question we should be asking instead about what sort of weapons we’re going to use on the enemy.

This is exactly why people like you shouldn’t be in charge of anything. And probably shouldn’t own firearms either. You’ve got the wrong temperament to deal with a crisis. Your response is emotional, retributive, over the top, and jingoistic. You simply want to kill because you’re pissed off, not because you have a coherent strategy in mind. Your fixation on weaponry is now predictable and nearly pathological. Not a pretty combination.

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John Vreeland  Dec 4, 2015 • 11:49:48pm

I’m just surprised the guy was not from North Carolina. Seems like all the crazy shooters come from there lately. I made a joke on Twitter recently about Republican governors blocking refugees from NC, but nobody got it.

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SirMixALot  Dec 5, 2015 • 6:16:44am

re: #258 goddamnedfrank

Fortunately it’s predominately the part that is getting old and dying. I’m not too worried, they’re still losing the demographic war, being replaced by younger generations less prone to revanchist white angst.

I remember Digby pointing out a while ago that the demographic shift looked like it was also in the Democrats favor back in the 1970s. Lo and behold we had a Republican in the White House throughout the 1980s and the Republicans took back Congress in the early to mid 1990s.

I think many liberals are lulling themselves into a false sense of security with the demographic shift. The Right Wing have made sure to destroy education specifically knowledge about civics, and have taken over our media. We now have right wing propaganda 24/7 on cable news, radio, and the internet. They have also taken over the political process making sure both parties are behold to the wealthy elites and corporations. They control 60% of the federal judges and 70% of the state governments. When all else false they still have gerrymandering, voter suppression and elections fraud as fail safe. All of those factors combined with the mainstreaming of radical evangelical Christianity with its megachurches, homeschooling and reality TV stars are going to counter-act the demographic shift we have in our favor. If current economic conditions continue we will have future generations as wage slaves unable to really focus on anything but survival.

I hate sounding doom and gloom, but it seems to me liberals are just passively waiting around for the demographic shifts instead of laying down work or actually having a plan that could capitalize on the demographic shift like the conservatives did back in the 1970s.

The average conservative may be a moron, but their leadership knows how to do long term strategic planning. While liberals are debating which candidate they should support for the presidency, some even concluding they won’t vote in the general unless their candidate wins and staying home during the mid-terms, conservatives are still going quietly go about their business. The GOP primary is a complete side show designed to distract. The GOP continue to take over school boards, the judiciary, state governments, defund the government with tax cuts and destroy regulatory agencies and laws. Even if we manage to elect more progressives they are still tied too conservative policies because tax cuts and deregulation have screwed up the normal way government is suppose to function in the long term.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2015 • 6:50:28am

re: #330 Feline Fearless Leader

Just finished a book called _Fields of Blood: Religion and the History of Violence _ by Karen Armstrong.

The linked review covers it better than I can.
NY Times Review

My one additional observation is that the book points out that many of the religion-based reactions against states or their religion have had a basis that the religion or state in question was ignoring the tenets that the religion is heavily based upon caring and supporting others, especially the poor and disadvantaged. Reform movements start in order to take things back to basics - and then they seem to get derailed.

There is also a sort of base point that civilization developing (agrarian societies) are dependent on the creation of an underclass that is exploited to produce the surpluses that allow for the creation of the artisan, warrior, and aristo (patron) classes. And that this is a sort of requirement as well. True, but I don’t know what sort of alternative there ever might have been.

Thanks. I’m going to get this soon based on your post and Fallows’ review. I learned a lot from “History of God.”


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