Obama Suddenly Worried About Freeing Gitmo Terrorists

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Oh. So now Barack Obama is suddenly concerned that freed Guantanamo detainees might attack America again.

After signing orders that will free them.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said in an interview aired on Monday he worried that detainees freed from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo, Cuba, might resume attacks on the United States.

But hey, that’s no reason not to turn them loose!

But he told NBC News that closure of the prison was a matter of upholding U.S. values and law, and that a failure to do so would ultimately make Americans less secure.

“Can we guarantee that they’re not going to try to participate in another attack? No,” Obama said. “But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

I think I need some ibuprofen. Maybe a lifetime supply.

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662 comments
1 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:39:34am

Life isn't a college bull session with free bud, Mr. President.

2 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:39:44am
3 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:40:31am

I sure picked the wrong day to quit smoking crack.

4 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:40:43am
But he told NBC News that closure of the prison was a matter of upholding U.S. values and law, and that a failure to do so would ultimately make Americans less secure.

Releasing the prisoners who just might launch another attack will somehow make America more secure.

What kind of reasoning is that?

5 godfrey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:41:06am

A lot of people are going to die because of this clown's naivete.

6 wily  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:41:25am

Wow. They don't hate us because we're infidels, they hate us because of our inability to live by our constitution--a document Al Qaeda has tremendous respect for. Who would have known?

7 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:41:50am
But he told NBC News that closure of the prison was a matter of upholding U.S. values and law, and that a failure to do so would ultimately make Americans less secure.

“Can we guarantee that they’re not going to try to participate in another attack? No,” Obama said. “But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

By this logic expect to see our prison system revamped soon.

8 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:42:16am

.........I believe the term is YO BARRY, not in my backyard, you don't

9 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:42:17am

re: #5 godfrey

A lot of people are going to die because of this clown's naivete.

I'm afraid of that too, godfrey.

10 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:42:21am
“But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”


I guess maybe I was wrong .... maybe the Constitution IS a suicide pact ..... now.

11 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:42:26am

Gee, a real swift thinker we have as POTUS.

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12 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:43:00am
I think I need some ibuprofen. Maybe a lifetime supply.

On sale at Walgreens right now, 2 for one, house label. Go for it.

13 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:43:04am

Cognitive dissonance is far too mild a term.

14 S'latch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:43:09am

Better late than not at all.

15 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:43:10am

re: #4 reine.de.tout

Releasing the prisoners who just might launch another attack will somehow make America more secure.

What kind of reasoning is that?

Bizzaro world reasoning. What you never read Superman Comics?

16 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:43:16am

re: #8 smokefire

.........I believe the term is YO BARRY, not in my backyard, you don't

I prefer Walt Kowalski: "Get off my lawn."

17 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:43:38am

re: #7 Racer X

By this logic expect to see our prison system revamped soon.

Anyone that dissents and doesn't fully worship the Messiah-King is the only one needing imprisonment.

18 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:43:54am

re: #16 jwb7605

I prefer Walt Kowalski: "Get off my lawn."

OT - hi.

19 Kragarghazi  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:43:57am

He can follow Clinton's example and let the terrorists stay in the Lincoln bedroom

20 MJ  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:44:29am

"And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

Right. Like our Democracy, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of speech aren't requirement tools for al-Qaeda.

21 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:44:45am

re: #10 eschew_obfuscation

I guess maybe I was wrong .... maybe the Constitution IS a suicide pact ..... now.

He wants to uphold the Constitution by changing/abolishing it.

22 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:44:55am

re: #15 smokefire

Bizzaro world reasoning. What you never read Superman Comics?

My mom did not allow comic-book reading.
That's absolutely true.

I just want to be sure my daughter does not go to a university that produces such warped reasoning. It's ridiculous. How long are people going to take him seriously?

23 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:45:01am

It isn't like this problem just suddenly reared its ugly head and no one knows what to do. We've been discussing Gitmo and detainment of terrorists for years now, and the Democrats only solution has been 1) release 'em back into the wild since we are really the evil ones; or 2) grant 'em rights under the US Constitution that we've never before extended to terrorists captured on foreign battlefields (or spies for that matter) and put 'em into the civilian court system because why should we treat terrorists like the extrajudicial scum who aren't protected classes under the Geneva Conventions, let alone the US Constitution.

Neither is acceptable and while the left wrings its hands as to why we can or should detain these terrorists indefinitely because they pose an ongoing threat to US national security, the US remains threatened by the same groups and regimes that indoctrinate people into jihad. Yet we're the bad ones?

The Executive Order demanding release of closure of Gitmo was a fundamental error on Obama's part, but had to do something to placate the rabid Left, which considers Gitmo a far greater crime than the mass carnage inflicted by the terrorists who operate around the world and attack US national interests. He'd rather undermine US national security to fulfill a campaign pledge to close Gitmo than to deal with the ugly reality that US national security needs a place like Gitmo to contain the very terrorists who will not be stopped unless they're killed or captured.

24 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:45:15am

re: #17 FurryOldGuyJeans

Anyone that dissents and doesn't fully worship the Messiah-King is the only one needing imprisonment.

Just remember 47% of the voters dissented

That's an awful lot of prison space to be needed.

25 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:45:37am

"And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

Uh, no. The recruitment tool will be 'see my brothers, this is a sign we're winning. The Great Satan has had its horns removed."

26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:45:59am

re: #23 lawhawk

It isn't like this problem just suddenly reared its ugly head and no one knows what to do. We've been discussing Gitmo and detainment of terrorists for years now, and the Democrats only solution has been 1) release 'em back into the wild since we are really the evil ones; or 2) grant 'em rights under the US Constitution that we've never before extended to terrorists captured on foreign battlefields (or spies for that matter) and put 'em into the civilian court system because why should we treat terrorists like the extrajudicial scum who aren't protected classes under the Geneva Conventions, let alone the US Constitution.

Neither is acceptable and while the left wrings its hands as to why we can or should detain these terrorists indefinitely because they pose an ongoing threat to US national security, the US remains threatened by the same groups and regimes that indoctrinate people into jihad. Yet we're the bad ones?

The Executive Order demanding release of closure of Gitmo was a fundamental error on Obama's part, but had to do something to placate the rabid Left, which considers Gitmo a far greater crime than the mass carnage inflicted by the terrorists who operate around the world and attack US national interests. He'd rather undermine US national security to fulfill a campaign pledge to close Gitmo than to deal with the ugly reality that US national security needs a place like Gitmo to contain the very terrorists who will not be stopped unless they're killed or captured.

You speak logic; the Leftoids speak feelings.

27 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:46:13am

I hope he feels comfortable explaining this to the widows of Americans who will be killed by those released.

That, I'm sure, will make us safer /

(he actually got through law school?)

28 eaglewingz08  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:46:15am

Scuse me Mr. Obama, your brilliance, but our Constitution would be a recruiting tool for terrorists, no matter what because it doesn't enshrine Shari'a Law of the Quran and thus is a major impediment to the worldwide Caliphate of Islamists. If foreign islamists are given constitutional rights they will recruit in greater numbers because they are willing to die, they wouldn't care about court trials, etc.
I fear that we have elected another Mike Dukakis, supposedly brainy but with no common sense, making policy based upon cliches and creating horrifying consequences.

29 Mad Mullah  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:46:39am

It's not like any of the detainees that have been freed so far have reverted back to a life of terrorism and jihad.

Any dead Americans that come about as a result of Obama's foolish decisions will hopefully belong to the group that actually voted for the clown, I declare myself immune from the mistakes of appeasement party and their suicidal policies.

30 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:46:45am

From that interview:

"I have to make the very best judgments I can make in terms of what's going to keep the American people safe and ... what's going to uphold our Constitution and our traditions of due process," Obama said. "And what I'm convinced of is -- we can balance those interests in a way that makes all of us proud but also assures that we're not attacked."

Yeah right - and when that 'balance' doesn't work, will PB0 still be proud?
You betcha! He tried, didn't he.

Pity about any attacks and victims - eggs & omelets, see, no need to apologise afterwards!
He used his 'very best judgement', thats gotta be sufficient for all us peasants ...

31 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:46:57am

re: #23 lawhawk

"The Executive Order demanding release of closure of Gitmo was a fundamental error on Obama's part, but had to do something to placate the rabid Left"

Why does Obama need them at this point?

32 MJ  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:46:58am

Someone needs to remind Obama that al-Qaeda existed prior to Gitmo.

33 Killer Tomato  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:47:17am

yep - the man's brilliant. gah - how many more years of this?

34 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:47:23am

re: #22 reine.de.tout

My mom did not allow comic-book reading.
That's absolutely true.

I just want to be sure my daughter does not go to a university that produces such warped reasoning. It's ridiculous. How long are people going to take him seriously?

.....as long as the MSM keeps telling them that he is not doing anything wrong.

The Emperor has no clothes.
The President has no brains

35 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:47:25am

re: #31 jaunte

Why does Obama need them at this point?

Reelection, duh.

36 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:47:27am

re: #31 jaunte

Why does Obama need them at this point?

For the next election, silly.

37 zombie  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:47:31am
I think I need some ibuprofen. Maybe a lifetime supply.

ibuprofen? That won't be sufficient.

Me, I'm stocking up on four-year's worth of Ketamine and Fentanyl. That'll keep me drooling, happy and paralyzed until the next election.

38 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:47:33am

And, those that voted for the 0 see nothing wrong with barry's reasoning.

We are in for a long and bumpy ride.
If it weren't for the fact that the 0 is doing so much damage to the Country, it would be funny. We have a celebrity in the WH who is running the Country like a sitcom (nod to Rush).

39 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:47:47am
“But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

It's hard to single out one statement by Obama as the stupidest, but surely that's a contender. I can hear Achmed the Terrorist now: "The Great Satan, America, does not abide by its own values! Come, join the jihad!"

40 Neo_  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:47:55am

First it was George W. Bush. Now it's ...

CAMBRIDGE, England — A protester threw a shoe at China's Prime Minister Wen Jiabao during his speech at Cambridge University, police said Monday.

How long before it's "The One" ?

41 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:48:05am

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

OT - hi.

Hi! Did you see the JammieWearingFool article (or the Rocky Mountain News article)? Big circle for me.

42 DeafDog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:48:31am

So uis the Constitution a suicide pact, after all?

43 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:48:32am

re: #7 Racer X

By this logic expect to see our prison system revamped soon.

Its news to me that holding a copy of your constitution makes one bullet- or bomb-proof ...

44 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:48:33am
45 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:49:12am

So, just to make sure I understand:

1) Barry wants the Gitmo boys cut loose;

2) Barry thinks cutting them loose might lead to recidivist attacks on the US;

3) But keeping these known enemies locked up is sure to encourage others to follow their path.

So, what is it, Barry? Do we at least secure those we know mean to do us harm, or do we release known enemies in order to prevent the possibility of future enemies being inspired by nothing other than the fact that we have locked up known enemies?

46 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:49:15am

Dear Mr. President,

The last time I checked the Constitution of the United States of America applied to the citizens of our country. While I am all for extending the liberties and freedoms we enjoy to other nations around the world they must be willing to die for those freedoms in order to secure them.

Our constitution protects us from those who would destroy our freedoms and our lives. It is not designed to protect those who are determined to destroy our freedoms and our lives.

If they want similar constitutional protections let them first secure the blessings of liberty for their own people and pledge to honor the freedom of others to do the same. We have even been kind enough to give them a head start with the blood of our own children.

If they do not agree that others should enjoy the same privileges of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that they do then they have the privilege of facing the full righteous might of our heavily armed sons and daughters.

47 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:49:30am

re: #39 doppelganglander

Considering that Socialism seems to be O's only value it is not that hard to see why he sees the Constitution as a Jihad recruiting tool.

48 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:49:33am

BO is a crackpot...I just have to believe somewhere down the road he's gonna hit that vertical curve...if somebody doesnt smack the shit out of this guy we are in for a world of hurt....I think his party will turn on him in sufficient numbers to do the deed...hopefully his own minions may be the last hope

49 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:49:36am
I think I need some ibuprofen. Maybe a lifetime supply.


The way 0bama's going, you might not need that much.
Unless hiding in a refrigerator as in the Indiana Jones movie really works.
(It doesn't, with any normal refrigerator)

50 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:49:38am

re: #44 vapig

Please don't go there.

51 solomonpanting  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:49:47am
But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe.

I'm trying to find that part of the Constitution dealing with enemy combatants and terrorists........

52 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:50:08am

re: #44 vapig

Dear Lord! This man is a menace and too stupid to live!

..watch it, you are flirting with the edge there.

Just a friendly warning. No malice intended.

53 joncelli  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:50:31am

So Obama is going to make us more secure by doing something that makes us...less secure. Somebody hold me.

54 FrogMarch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:51:00am
"The real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result."


--Barack Obama, December 27, 2007

So, when will Obama realize that Holder and Daschle etc... are the same corrupt Washington players?

55 mattm  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:51:16am

Let me go get really drunk then re read this and it might make sense. Then I will go get treated for alcohol poisoning because it will require that much.

56 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:51:25am

I started wring one thing after the other and erased them all. They all came down to this:

He is a Leftist idiot who doesn't have a clue about the real world.

57 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:51:57am

re: #54 FrogMarch

--Barack Obama, December 27, 2007

So, when will Obama realize that Holder and Daschle etc... are the same corrupt Washington players?

Now that he is POTUS things will be different.

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58 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:12am

re: #32 MJ

Someone needs to remind Obama that al-Qaeda existed prior to Gitmo.

Heh - its the fault of those eeevil Busssssshes - both of them!

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59 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:16am

re: #53 joncelli

I could not resist.

Youtube Video
60 ROP?LOL  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:20am

re: #44 vapig


careful there dude

61 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:21am

And I keep hearing that he knows exactly what he is doing.

62 DeafDog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:24am

re: #48 albusteve

BO is a crackpot...I just have to believe somewhere down the road he's gonna hit that vertical curve...if somebody doesnt smack the shit out of this guy we are in for a world of hurt....I think his party will turn on him in sufficient numbers to do the deed...hopefully his own minions may be the last hope

To me he comes across as a snake-oil salesman, but the folks who have drunk from the giant vat of Obama kool-aide see it different.

Avanti, for example, would argue that this is the same thing that Clinton used to do - Tell everyone what they want to hear - and it's the mark of a master politician.

63 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:37am

I just don't get it. What does he think he's doing? Make a bad decision, stick with it, and then admit it's probably not the right decision? Is he just screwing with us, messing with our heads?

64 x-wing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:41am

My STG-556 makes me feel secure. Barack Obama as President...not so much.

I've never used the word "hope" as much in my life,than after the day That One&#8482 was elected.

65 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:46am

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

Okay... you want feelings. I'll give you the feelings and furious anger.

Obama is going to put far too many of his fellow Americans into harm's way because his clownish policy directives are so poorly thought out that it suggests that a bunch of hamsters put together his national security directives on detainees. In fact, hamsters would sooner write a Shakespearean play than come up with this claptrap.

Obama is playing politics with national security, which comes as no surprise. His fellow Democrats have been doing it for years, and now that they're in charge, they're running ragged over the very tools that have kept us - (them included) safe.

Terrorists captured on the battlefield need to be kept in secure facilities, and Gitmo was not only a secure facility, but one that provides humane conditions for the most inhumane of mankind. These detainees know nothing but hate, and yet hate is what they have in common with Obama's most strident supporters.

For all the hate lobbed at the Bush Administration, Bush did one thing and did it well - he prevented another 9/11. That's Obama's cross to bear, and he's got to continue that streak. He's doing his utmost to end that streak as his words and deeds - not only on Gitmo, but on Islam-American relations sends precisely the wrong message. It's one of weakness and apologia that tells the evil regimes and the Islamists that they can push Obama to concede large parts of the world to their evil causes. That too will get many killed. It is a reversal of freedom for millions who continue to be oppressed by Islamists and yet we're the bad ones.

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66 Diamond Bullet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:54am

Pop quiz, hot shot. You have to decide which recruitment tool to deny crazed Muslim terrorists. It's up to you do figure out which scenario will likely be less appealing to the knuckle-draggers. What do you do? What do you DO?

1) "Come to balmy Afghanistan, where you can sleep on goat trails and get fragged by silent Predator drones controlled by the greatest military in the history of human warfare. Of the 11 other pre-martyrs in your civilian death squad, no two will speak the same language, you'll be using AK-47s older than your parents, and the first time you become aware of a United States Marine it will likely be in that eerie silence between being struck by a .50 caliber round and when the report of the sniper rifle echoes across the valley to your supine corpse."

or

2) "Come to friendly NYC, where you can dress up like a woman in your burqa and blow up pizzerias and subway stations because under American 'political correctness' nobody can question your death cult ways. If caught, prepare to be defended by a squadron of 'American' Civil Liberty Union attorneys before being released back into the wild in one of Obama's patented 'Upholding the Constitution' terrorist release programs. Return to your country of origin courtesy of a first class ticket on the Arabic airline of your choice, whereupon you can use your accumulated stature to recruit others to attack the Great Satan on its home turf."

Boy, being a big-boy President sure is hard, Mr. Obama!

67 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:52:54am

re: #56 Opinionated

I started wring one thing after the other and erased them all. They all came down to this:

He is a Leftist idiot who doesn't have a clue about the real world.

Read Walter. Carefully.
I know, it's painful, but he's got the basic idea down.

68 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:53:01am

re: #35 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #36 reine.de.tout

I would think he could drop the ravers on the far Left and still win a second term.

69 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:53:02am

re: #37 zombie

ibuprofen? That won't be sufficient.

Me, I'm stocking up on four-year's worth of Ketamine and Fentanyl. That'll keep me drooling, happy and paralyzed until the next election.

Wait, they are veterinary drugs. They are not legal for human consumption? What?

70 solomonpanting  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:53:03am

re: #54 FrogMarch

--Barack Obama, December 27, 2007

So, when will Obama realize that Holder and Daschle etc... are the same corrupt Washington players?

The more Obama discards his past rhetoric, the more he reminds me of what some children call a book repository: a Lie Barry.

71 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:53:15am

Al Qaeda is very concerned about the gradual erosion of the values espoused in our Constitution. Very concerned.

72 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:53:41am

re: #32 MJ

Someone needs to remind Obama that al-Qaeda existed prior to Gitmo.

And Jihad against America and the West existed prior to al Qaeda.

Thank you so very much for that, Mr. Carter!

73 MAV  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:53:43am

Wait a minute; doesn't Barry have a few more Cabinet Positions open. Perhaps he could create a new Department of Homeland Terrorists. DoHT
they could be up and running just in time for some of the Stimulus Job training $$.

Spits

74 Steve Rogers  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:54:09am

He was for freeing them before he was against freeing them.

75 Kragarghazi  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:54:15am

re: #37 zombie

ibuprofen? That won't be sufficient.

Me, I'm stocking up on four-year's worth of Ketamine and Fentanyl. That'll keep me drooling, happy and paralyzed until the next election.

Anger keeps ya warm and a fire in your belly.

76 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:54:16am

I'm was so wrong.

I thought it would be six months before I could say I told you so to Obama voters.

77 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:54:16am

re: #67 jwb7605

Read Walter. Carefully.
I know, it's painful, but he's got the basic idea down.

What? Some how I missed what you are trying to say. Explain.

78 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:54:18am

re: #66 Diamond Bullet

Dead-on (and love the avatar)

79 DeafDog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:54:21am

re: #61 NYCHardhat

And I keep hearing that he knows exactly what he is doing.


He's the most intelligent president, perhaps ever. At least he's the most intelligent president since Kennedy - although Clinton was very smart, too.

/

80 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:54:23am
I think I need some ibuprofen. Maybe a lifetime supply.

Booze and pills. That's how I'm doing it.

81 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:54:31am

re: #45 Guanxi88

So, just to make sure I understand:

1) Barry wants the Gitmo boys cut loose;

2) Barry thinks cutting them loose might lead to recidivist attacks on the US;

3) But keeping these known enemies locked up is sure to encourage others to follow their path.

So, what is it, Barry? Do we at least secure those we know mean to do us harm, or do we release known enemies in order to prevent the possibility of future enemies being inspired by nothing other than the fact that we have locked up known enemies?

Don't ask such difficult questions - let him finish his White House waffles!

82 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:55:04am

re: #55 mattm

Nope. Won't help.
Obama is as Opinionated says: a leftist idiot that has no clue how the real world works.

Memo to POTUS:
There aren't that many people that actually give a rat's ass how you feel about them.
Those that do, are probably already on you side.

83 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:55:14am

re: #65 lawhawk

I really didn't ask for them, but I do applaud what you said. :)

84 seekeroftruth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:55:23am

President Obama,
You number one job is to protect the Constitution and the People of the United States. You can not vote present. You can not be more concerned about what people will think of us, than doing your elected job. You talk about responsibility. It's time to walk the walk, sir.

85 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:55:53am

re: #64 x-wing

My STG-556 makes me feel secure. Barack Obama as President...not so much.

I've never used the word "hope" as much in my life,than after the day That One™ was elected.

If and when an STG-556 becomes necessary, your security is past long gone.
I'm not anti-gun.

86 DeafDog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:55:55am

re: #70 solomonpanting

The more Obama discards his past rhetoric, the more he reminds me of what some children call a book repository: a Lie Barry.

Is that a recycled Marion Berry joke?

87 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:55:59am

re: #62 DeafDog

To me he comes across as a snake-oil salesman, but the folks who have drunk from the giant vat of Obama kool-aide see it different.

Avanti, for example, would argue that this is the same thing that Clinton used to do - Tell everyone what they want to hear - and it's the mark of a master politician.

if he were half as brilliant as his droolers think he is, he would understand this contradictory babble that he regurgitates for public consumption...he's a fucking idiot and he's gonna get torn apart somewhere along the way...Clinton was way more clever semantically imo

88 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:56:21am

re: #61 NYCHardhat

And I keep hearing that he knows exactly what he is doing.

I would ignore those voices.
If they are in your head, seek help help NOW!

89 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:56:26am

I hope all those who wouldn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

90 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:56:30am

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

What? Some how I missed what you are trying to say. Explain.

I think that's one of those backhanded compliments.

91 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:56:34am

re: #84 seekeroftruth

President Obama,
You number one job is to protect the Constitution and the People of the United States. You can not vote present. You can not be more concerned about what people will think of us, than doing your elected job. You talk about responsibility. It's time to walk the walk, sir.

But... but... YES WE CAN! I WON!

/

92 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:56:48am

re: #84 seekeroftruth

President Obama,
You number one job is to protect the Constitution and the People of the United States. You can not vote present. You can not be more concerned about what people will think of us, than doing your elected job. You talk about responsibility. It's time to walk the walk, sir.

.............That is not in the Saul Alinsky play book.

93 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:56:50am
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said in an interview aired on Monday he worried that detainees freed from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo, Cuba, might resume attacks on the United States.


Barry's "no shit" moment?

94 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:00am

re: #76 Opinionated

I'm was so wrong.

I thought it would be six months before I could say I told you so to Obama voters.

VP Biden did say on the campaign trail in Seattle the crises would come within six months. Look like Joey Plugs was hedging his bets.

95 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:01am

re: #89 MandyManners

I hope all those who wouldn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

upding in a can.

96 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:33am

re: #37 zombie

ibuprofen? That won't be sufficient.

Me, I'm stocking up on four-year's worth of Ketamine and Fentanyl. That'll keep me drooling, happy and paralyzed until the next election.

I'm with zombie. The ibu's won't cut it.

97 addison  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:34am
But he told NBC News that closure of the prison was a matter of upholding U.S. values and law, and that a failure to do so would ultimately make Americans less secure.


Yes, I remember all of those terrorist attacks on American soil after September 11, 2001 because Guantanamo made us less secure. What's that? They didn't happen?

Guantanamo detainees were non-uniformed combatants captured on the battlefield during a war, making them privy to no part of the Geneva Treaty, and yet they are treated better than federal prisoners at the supermax prison in Colorado.

“Can we guarantee that they’re not going to try to participate in another attack? No,” Obama said. “But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”


You mean that same al-Qaeda that the US military (with the sheer will of George W. Bush and strategical acumen of General Patraeus) has rendered essentially neutered in Iraq? That al-Qaeda?

98 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:37am

re: #68 jaunte

re: #36 reine.de.tout

I would think he could drop the ravers on the far Left and still win a second term.

I think he is travelling down Carter's road.
Time will tell, but two years of these brilliant decisions will about do it.

99 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:38am

re: #81 yma o hyd

Don't ask such difficult questions - let him finish his White House waffles!

No, it's about damned time somebody starting to pin this guy down on something.

He's got muslim relatives, but nobody can talk about it but him; same goes double for his childhood religion, adult friends, church, "neighborhood friends", and, in short, anything and everything about the guy. It's like friggin' negative theology with this guy; you can't say anything about him except by way of negation.

Somebody needs to sit him down, for once in his life, under some hot lights and get a straight answer.

100 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:46am

You know what, FUCK this guy. He is a wreckless douchebag that has no business being the leader of the free world.

101 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:53am

re: #84 seekeroftruth

President Obama,
You number one job is to protect the Constitution and the People of the United States. You can not vote present. You can not be more concerned about what people will think of us, than doing your elected job. You talk about responsibility. It's time to walk the walk, sir.

Hard to do something you have NO experience doing.

102 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:57am

re: #84 seekeroftruth

President Obama,
You number one job is to protect the Constitution and the People of the United States. You can not vote present. You can not be more concerned about what people will think of us, than doing your elected job. You talk about responsibility. It's time to walk the walk, sir.

sooner or later someone will tell him just that...hopefully at a press conference on tape

103 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:57:57am

There is only one recruitment tool for Jihadists.

The Koran.

104 solomonpanting  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:58:21am

re: #86 DeafDog

Is that a recycled Marion Berry joke?

No, but there does seem to be a pattern. But as President he assumes a much greater Lie-a-Barry-ity.

105 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:58:27am

The envir0nmentalists are trying to reintroduce wolves in my neighborhood too. The wolves keep eating livestock and pets, and scaring the children. The environmentalists offer money to compensate ranchers, but haven't found anything for the frightened children and parents. Lefties seem to think fear is a good thing.

106 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:58:32am

re: #89 MandyManners

I hope all those who wouldn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

Keep Posting that, and I will keep updinging it.

107 dahozho  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:58:36am

Still trying to appear as all things to all people, eh, barry? Otherwise known as trying to eat your cake and still have it to look at.

Trying to be able to say "oops" when the next massacre of Americans happens will not sit well with anyone but the hopelessly sheeple. And even his level of security may not insulate him from the next DC attack.

108 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:58:36am

re: #89 MandyManners

I hope all those who wouldn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

I voted for Palin, and I'm not the least fucking bit happy.

109 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:58:39am
110 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:58:49am

re: #89 MandyManners

I hope all those who wouldn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

I suspect that those who didn't vote for McCain for any reason are happy.

111 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:58:57am
112 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:59:02am

Does CBBHO really think that the primary job of a government is to "create" job instead of keeping its citizens safe?

113 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:59:05am

Somewhat on-topic; NPR this morning had a short piece on the expected confirmation of Eric Holder. They quoted Holder as saying that he carries around in his wallet a little card, inscribed with something a Minister he knew once said. An uplifting message about American being the land of opportunity? Or about equality and justice?

Of course not. It was instead a quote to the effect that, "no matter how successful you become in America, people will still always look at you as only being black."

So, summing up; our new Attorney General likes to carry around a card in his wallet reminding him to always, always harbor racial resentment.

Have a nice day.

114 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:59:07am
115 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:59:14am

re: #6 wily

Wow. They don't hate us because we're infidels, they hate us because of our inability to live by our constitution--a document Al Qaeda has tremendous respect for. Who would have known?


Very insightful way to put it, wily. That kind of puts a head on it, no?

116 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:59:26am

re: #100 NYCHardhat

.............tell us how you really feel

117 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:59:31am

re: #98 jwb7605

I asked you to explain your remark up thread to me. I didn't understand at all?

118 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:59:44am

re: #67 jwb7605

Read Walter. Carefully.
I know, it's painful, but he's got the basic idea down.

?

119 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:59:45am

re: #109 ploome hineni

I'm going for vodka

ether for me

120 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:59:54am

re: #93 maddogg

Barry's "no shit" moment?

And when there is a terrorist attack on the US (G-d forbid) because of this [deleted]'s policies, it will be Barack's "SHIT!" moment.

121 S'latch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:00:03pm

Acknowledging this is "dangerous" but arguing that we will be "safer" is similar to

one of those ludicrous media memes that refuses to die: fighting against evil only makes evil stronger. You’ll see it in articles about every conflict; it’s a kind of nihilistic philosophical tic that is nearly universal, a counterintuitive observation that’s supposed to impress you with its depth.

122 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:00:04pm

Watching the "The One" do his thing, is like watching The Titanic nearing that ice berg in slow motion...over and over, and over...

123 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:00:10pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Does CBBHO really think that the primary job of a government is to "create" job instead of keeping its citizens safe?

Expansion of government are the man's Socialist creed, so yeah he does.

124 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:00:12pm

re: #89 MandyManners

I hope all those who wouldn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

FTFY

:-)

125 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:00:13pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

The envir0nmentalists are trying to reintroduce wolves in my neighborhood too. The wolves keep eating livestock and pets, and scaring the children. The environmentalists offer money to compensate ranchers, but haven't found anything for the frightened children and parents. Lefties seem to think fear is a good thing.

Their real agenda seems to be creating a situation where you leave and the wolves take possession.

126 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:00:19pm

re: #109 ploome hineni

I'm going for vodka

Single malt Scotch.........................LOTS OF IT.

127 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:00:28pm

Obama appears to be un-serious about keeping US safe.

By the way, let's not forget that Bill Ayers is a leader and proponent of the
Prison Abolition Movement.

The prison abolition movement seeks to abolish prison and the prison system which advocates of the movement claim are inhumane. Prison abolitionists present a broad critique of the modern Western criminal justice system, alleged to be both racist and classist as well as ineffectual at reforming criminals, decreasing crime, or reconciling the victims of crime.
128 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:00:40pm

re: #118 Opinionated

?

I know. I asked him to explain, but he hasn't. I don't know what he meant by his comment?

129 JohnSteele  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:00:44pm

I can guarantee they won't attack us; shoot them.

130 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:01:27pm
131 jester6  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:01:32pm

re: #89 MandyManners

I hope all those who wouldn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

Can't you change your avatar to Hollie Hobbie, cigarette hanging from her mouth, giving us all the finger?

132 solomonpanting  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:01:41pm
"Is it going to be easy?" Obama asked in the interview. "No, because we've got a couple hundred of hard-core militants that, unfortunately, because of ... some problems that we had previously in gathering evidence, we may not be able to try in ordinary courts but we don't want to release."

"Ordinary courts" ---for ordinary "militants"
Un hombre ciego

133 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:01:50pm

re: #89 MandyManners

I hope all those who wouldn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

This statement is going to get a lot of mileage in the next 4 years. You should keep it as a macro.

134 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:01:53pm

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

Wait, they are veterinary drugs. They are not legal for human consumption? What?

Fentanyl is a people drug. It's a powerful painkiller, usually delivered via a patch. Or, you can soak the patch to remove the drug and shoot it up, which is a great way to get a free trip to the emergency room.

/I watch a lot of "Intervention."

135 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:01:54pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

The envir0nmentalists are trying to reintroduce wolves in my neighborhood too. The wolves keep eating livestock and pets, and scaring the children. The environmentalists offer money to compensate ranchers, but haven't found anything for the frightened children and parents. Lefties seem to think fear is a good thing.

As long as the wolves eat their fair share of lefties, I'm all for restoration. It seems to me that lefties get eaten by wildlife in a disproportionate level, possibly because they think they can negotiate.

136 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:01:55pm

re: #103 Opinionated

There is only one recruitment tool for Jihadists.

The Koran.

if I was rich I find some billboards and post some of the 'loving' passages...places like Minny...fuck the law...I'd even be on Jay Leno

137 MarineGrunt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:02:07pm

Somebody please grab this clown by the seat of his pants and toss his ass out on Pennsylvania ave.

138 SummerSong  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:02:15pm

That throw your shoe thing is really catching on -


Protester hurls shoe at Chinese PM during UK visit

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

139 samhein  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:02:17pm

re: #5 godfrey

A lot of people are going to die because of this clown's naivete.

Exactly what I'm afraid of. What type of President would put the safety of Americans second over looking good to the rest of the world? (Muslims especially, it seems with this guy.) Obama from the sounds of it!
Hope those who voted for this idiot will remember when the next group of Americans are hurt or killed.

140 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:02:22pm

Prison Abolition Movement continued

In place of prisons, some abolitionists propose community-controlled courts, councils, or assemblies to control the problem of social crime. They argue that with the destruction of capitalism, and the self-management of production by workers and communities, property crimes would largely vanish. A large part of the problem, according to some, is the way the judicial systems deals with prisoners, people and capital. They argue that there would be fewer prisoners if society treated people more fairly, regardless of gender, color, ethnic background, sexual preference, education, etc.
141 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:02:25pm

Sorry-your President is a lunatic.

142 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:02pm

re: #141 WriterMom

Sorry-your President is a lunatic.

Why be sorry when you speak the truth?

143 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:04pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

I asked you to explain your remark up thread to me. I didn't understand at all?

re: #118 Opinionated

?

If you're both referring to "Read Walter", I'm referring to Walter's rants about things like Obama knows exactly what he's doing, dumping all the existing politicians, and a whole myriad of things like that.

Sometimes Walter is a painful read, because he's somewhat blunt.
I also don't think what Walter would like to see happen is possible.

That doesn't make him wrong, though.

144 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:13pm

re: #141 WriterMom

Sorry-your President is a lunatic.

He doesn't give a shit about us just like he doesn't give a shit about Israel.

145 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:14pm

re: #99 Guanxi88

No, it's about damned time somebody starting to pin this guy down on something.

He's got muslim relatives, but nobody can talk about it but him; same goes double for his childhood religion, adult friends, church, "neighborhood friends", and, in short, anything and everything about the guy. It's like friggin' negative theology with this guy; you can't say anything about him except by way of negation.

Somebody needs to sit him down, for once in his life, under some hot lights and get a straight answer.

Absolutely - but can you see anybody doing it, for real?
I can't - or certainly not yet.
If they start asking such questions it may well be too late for a number of people - I only hope that number is of the order of the London attacks in 2005 and not of the order of 9/11.

146 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:17pm

re: #120 Kosh's Shadow

And when there is a terrorist attack on the US (G-d forbid) because of this [deleted]'s policies, it will be Barack's "SHIT!" moment.

and all of us that will have to clean it up.

Can you just see him on top of some rubble with firefighters and rescue personnel around him. What words of wisdom will he come up with?

Er, a, duh, um.
That about sums it up for me.

147 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:34pm

Is this guy being briefed? Does he understand what he is being told?

Quote:

"Is it going to be easy?" Obama said in the interview. "No, because we've got a couple hundred of hard-core militants....."

Two hundred hard core Jihadists? That's it?

He is truly nuts.

There are probably 200 hard core on any block in Patterson, NJ.

148 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:37pm

re: #125 subsailor68

Their real agenda seems to be creating a situation where you leave and the wolves take possession.

I believe you are correct. They have banned all mechanical devices in the wilderness, they keep expanding the designated wilderness and the "roadless area" around it, just one more step to banning people. Right now if you can walk, carrying all your food and equipment, you are allowed in.

149 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:43pm

re: #140 DistantThunder

Prison Abolition Movement continued

Well, they're right about one thing. Once nobody has any property, property crimes will decrease.

They're insane.

150 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:49pm

re: #113 Occasional Reader

Somewhat on-topic; NPR this morning had a short piece on the expected confirmation of Eric Holder. They quoted Holder as saying that he carries around in his wallet a little card, inscribed with something a Minister he knew once said. An uplifting message about American being the land of opportunity? Or about equality and justice?

Of course not. It was instead a quote to the effect that, "no matter how successful you become in America, people will still always look at you as only being black."

So, summing up; our new Attorney General likes to carry around a card in his wallet reminding him to always, always harbor racial resentment.

Have a nice day.

If you constantly walk around with a chip on your shoulder, the odds are good people will react to the chip, not the person.

151 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:52pm
“But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

This is some of the most twisted shit I have seen come out of an American POTUS's mouth since Jimmy Carter.

152 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:03:56pm

This issue is a no win situation for Obama. If he fails to close GITMO he loses support among his base of lunatics.

If closes GITMO and one or more of these scumbags returns to terror and kills one American, the blood will be on Obama's hands.

153 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:04:02pm

By the way, the seeming contradiction in the Obama quotes would actually make perfect sense... in a law-enforcement context.

Which, apparently, is what Obama thinks this matter is.

154 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #142 FurryOldGuyJeans

Cause I respect the Office of the President and I love America and Americans.

155 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:04:18pm

re: #141 WriterMom

Sorry-your President is a lunatic.

We're sorry he's a lunatic, too.
Well, 48% of us are REALLY sorry.

156 Kragarghazi  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:04:29pm

re: #141 WriterMom

Sorry-your President is a lunatic.

I'm sorry he is a lunatic too.

157 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:04:40pm

re: #141 WriterMom

Sorry-your President is a lunatic.

Nope I moved him from lunatic, too the Walking, Talking Disaster list...Obama is an accident waiting to happen.

158 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:04:42pm

re: #142 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why be sorry when you speak the truth?

because some people can't handle the truth.

159 Killer Tomato  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:04:46pm

re: #139 samhein

No - they'll blame it on Bush.
Our Controller hired an assistant - I spent hours last week trying to get data I needed from him. I told my boss, "Dan isn't too bright, is he?" My boss laughed and said - "he's as bright as he's supposed to be".
Obama is as bright as he's supposed to be.

160 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:04:50pm

re: #150 doppelganglander

If you constantly walk around with a chip on your shoulder, the odds are good people will react to the chip, not the person.

Shut up, honky.

/

161 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:04:53pm

re: #154 WriterMom

Cause I respect the Office of the President and I love America and Americans.

You are a great woman.

162 J.S.  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:04:55pm

re: #130 ploome hineni

And, And, And, for a fool-proof flaky pie crust, just add vodka...link here...

163 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:05:08pm

re: #113 Occasional Reader

Have a nice 4 years.

164 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:05:16pm

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm sorry he is a lunatic too.

Not a lunatic, IMHO. A damn fool.

165 Kragarghazi  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:05:18pm

re: #155 Van Helsing

We're sorry he's a lunatic, too.
Well, 48% of us are REALLY sorry.

GMTA

166 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:05:35pm

re: #160 Occasional Reader

Awesome. LOL.

167 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:05:39pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

I asked you to explain your remark up thread to me. I didn't understand at all?

Thread is moving too fast. #143

When I hit the "post this comment" button, my browser backs up, but not "all the way back", and I miss(ed) a few comments/queries.

168 jcbunga  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:05:42pm

How many cheeks is this guy gonna have us turn before we kick ass again?

He's in way over his head.

169 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:05:50pm

Organizations supporting Prison Abolition


List of organizations supporting prison abolition
Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies
Anarchist Black Cross
Anarchist Prisoners' Legal Aid Network
Critical Resistance
Justice Now
Libertarian International Organization
Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism
Socialist Resistance
Massachusetts Statewide Harm Reduction Coaltion (SHaRC)
Prison Activist Resource Center (PARC)
JusticeAction Australia


[edit]List of other relevant organizations
American Civil Liberties Union
American Friends Service Committee
Books to Prisoners
Families Against Mandatory Minimums
NAACP
November Coalition

170 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:05:54pm

re: #154 WriterMom

Cause I respect the Office of the President and I love America and Americans.

The office is not the man, so I still ask why be sorry when you speak the truth? ;)

171 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:06:10pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

I believe you are correct. They have banned all mechanical devices in the wilderness, they keep expanding the designated wilderness and the "roadless area" around it, just one more step to banning people. Right now if you can walk, carrying all your food and equipment, you are allowed in.

Maddening. And I'll bet you dollars to donuts that "equipment" they're talking about doesn't include a rifle. If so, carrying in your "food" makes you nothing more than a vending machine for the "inhabitants".

172 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:06:29pm

If closes GITMO and one or more of these scumbags returns to terror and kills one American, the blood will be on Obama's hands.

and it will be Bush's fault. [SARC]

173 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:06:38pm

re: #159 Killer Tomato

No - they'll blame it on Bush.
Our Controller hired an assistant - I spent hours last week trying to get data I needed from him. I told my boss, "Dan isn't too bright, is he?" My boss laughed and said - "he's as bright as he's supposed to be".
Obama is as bright as he's supposed to be.

Is the book "The Peter Principle" still in print...?

174 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:02pm

re: #147 Opinionated

Is this guy being briefed? Does he understand what he is being told?

Quote:

"Is it going to be easy?" Obama said in the interview. "No, because we've got a couple hundred of hard-core militants....."

Two hundred hard core Jihadists? That's it?

He is truly nuts.

There are probably 200 hard core on any block in Patterson, NJ.

or in communities in Chicago he organized.

175 abolitionist  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:06pm

re: #127 DistantThunder

Obama appears to be un-serious about keeping US safe.

By the way, let's not forget that Bill Ayers is a leader and proponent of the
Prison Abolition Movement.

And Dorhn is a member of the ACLU.

176 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:08pm

re: #113 Occasional Reader

Somewhat on-topic; NPR this morning had a short piece on the expected confirmation of Eric Holder. They quoted Holder as saying that he carries around in his wallet a little card, inscribed with something a Minister he knew once said. An uplifting message about American being the land of opportunity? Or about equality and justice?

Of course not. It was instead a quote to the effect that, "no matter how successful you become in America, people will still always look at you as only being black."

So, summing up; our new Attorney General likes to carry around a card in his wallet reminding him to always, always harbor racial resentment.

Have a nice day.

SO, is THAT the race card we keep hearing about?

177 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:08pm
178 Kragarghazi  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:14pm

re: #164 maddogg

Not a lunatic, IMHO. A damn fool.

Nope. Lunatic fits

Etymology:from Late Latin lunaticus, from Latin luna; from the belief that lunacy fluctuated with the phases of the moon(bats)

179 monkeytime  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:19pm

re: #150 doppelganglander

If you constantly walk around with a chip on your shoulder, the odds are good people will react to the chip, not the person.

He should carry the card on his shoulder.

180 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:21pm

re: #163 WriterMom

Have a nice 4 years.

I may have to defect and take a job up there as Assistant Rink-Hoser, or whatever it is you people do.

181 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:25pm

re: #143 jwb7605

If you're both referring to "Read Walter", I'm referring to Walter's rants about things like Obama knows exactly what he's doing, dumping all the existing politicians, and a whole myriad of things like that.

Sometimes Walter is a painful read, because he's somewhat blunt.
I also don't think what Walter would like to see happen is possible.

That doesn't make him wrong, though.

And I think you are 100 percent right. Which makes us 100 percent fucked (was that too blunt)?

182 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:48pm

re: #159 Killer Tomato

No - they'll blame it on Bush.
Our Controller hired an assistant - I spent hours last week trying to get data I needed from him. I told my boss, "Dan isn't too bright, is he?" My boss laughed and said - "he's as bright as he's supposed to be".
Obama is as bright as he's supposed to be.

kind of like the Peter Principle. A person will rise to the level of his incompetence. The O has hit his level.

183 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:50pm

re: #176 Guanxi88

SO, is THAT the race card we keep hearing about?

It's even laminated!

184 VioletTiger  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:07:57pm

Once again, saying 'I told you so', just doesn't make me feel any better.

185 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:08:01pm

In the past week our President has said that Iran used to [in the past] support terrorism and now he says that there are only 200 or so Jihadists we need to fear.

Is ignorant and crazy an impeachable offense?

186 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:08:17pm

re: #169 DistantThunder

Organizations supporting Prison Abolition

I'm good with that. Abolish prisons and send the inmates to live with those on the list.

No problem.

Oh. If any former prisoners commit a crime then the household (and the prisoner) get executed.

Takers?

187 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:08:24pm

re: #135 maddogg

As long as the wolves eat their fair share of lefties, I'm all for restoration. It seems to me that lefties get eaten by wildlife in a disproportionate level, possibly because they think they can negotiate.

Unfortunately, in this case, the wolves have become habituated to the lefties who raise them in captivity before they release them. They really prefer cows, sheep, dogs, and the occasional horse. The best counter strategy seems to be large ranch dogs who will cross-breed with the wolves. The lefties seek out and kill those litters.

188 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:08:34pm

re: #159 Killer Tomato

It will be refreshing when people start telling the truth about him.

It reminds me of a colleague who came into my office and mentioned that he really wasn't so crazy about the whole environMENTAL and 'climate change' "ISSUES". I guess he felt safe in my office. I said really? He said yes really. So, I said, well what do you expect? We work in a place run by militant environmental, mean lesbian feminazis. His mouth dropped open. Then I said-and guess what else? They want to cut your dick off!

Guess who my new office gossip buddy is? The truth is a wonderfully liberating thing.

189 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:08:40pm

re: #125 subsailor68

Their real agenda seems to be creating a situation where you leave and the wolves take possession.

Which, metaphorically, is what the Left has wanted here for decades, at least.

190 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:08:45pm

re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope. Lunatic fits

Etymology:from Late Latin lunaticus, from Latin luna; from the belief that lunacy fluctuated with the phases of the moon(bats)

Well, since you put it that way :)

191 doppelganglander  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:08:48pm

re: #160 Occasional Reader

Shut up, honky.

/

That's honco to you, bub.

//

192 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:09:06pm

re: #173 Dustyvet

Is the book "The Peter Principle" still in print...?

I've been talking about the Peter Principle since November 4th. Here we go....

193 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:09:23pm

re: #158 smokefire

because some people can't handle the truth.

No reason to apologize for speaking the truth.

194 J.S.  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:09:24pm

re: #180 Occasional Reader

Oh please. There was a poll (reported by CTV today) about whether or not our little terrorist pal now in Gitmo needs to be "shipped home" and the majority of Canadians want Omar Khadr to be "brought home." as I gag...

195 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:09:26pm

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

That "minister" wouldn't by any chance be the Right Racist Reverend Wright, would it? Not that he's unique in holding such views, of course.

I didn't catch the name, but no, I don't think it was Wright... that would have lit up my auditory radar like an inbound squadron of Tu-95s.

196 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:09:34pm

-And the little darlings in Gitmo would never hurt anyone so let's close America's "konzentrationlager" and restore our "image in the world!" Never mind these detainees are so dangerous that those who clamor for their release nor anyone else wants them. I have a great idea, fly them to air bases in the UK and Germany to release them! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

- They negotiate with Iran, no fallback plan when Iran detonates a bomb in south central Iran later this year. This year is the 30th anniversary of the Islamic revolution, and an election year. Given the long lead time on nukes, you think they might not have planned for this to be a year of "celebration?"

- Never again will I be silent when lefties tell me about "the October Surprise." Obama and half his foreign policy "thinkers" (and use that term loosely) conspired to violate the Logan Act. They talked one President at a time while conducting their own illegal foreign policy. Were I a Republican leader, I would put every single one of these characters on notice that in the event of an Iranian attack, the GOP will move for the impeachment of all involved and their prosecution on manslaughter charges for any and all deaths resulting from the inevitable catastrophe that will come from Obama and his people being so smart about the human nature or Iran's leaders. They jointly agreed to violate US law; the resulting deaths were caused by their criminal recklessness- when you entreat with a dictator intent on attacking us and undermine the current administration's efforts to contain the danger, you are responsible. Maybe OBama will get lucky and the regime will collapse, the greater likelihood is a nuclear Iran and a war in which millions get killed.

- They are already cutting defense budgets and that will embolden our enemies to act against our interests elsewhere. The Navy is going to shrink 30-50% over the next five years. The air force will see the F-22 shot down and take half the air force with it. The Army will also get chopped significantly. Repeat after me: wars follow defense cuts.

197 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:09:43pm

re: #180 Occasional Reader

Yeah, eh...that's all we do, eh.

198 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:09:55pm

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

And I think you are 100 percent right. Which makes us 100 percent fucked (was that too blunt)?

I might be able to read between the lines ... :-)

199 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:10:08pm

re: #141 WriterMom

Sorry-your President is a lunatic.

Billy Joel - You May Be Right...for THE 54%.


Youtube Video
200 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:10:15pm

re: #171 subsailor68

Maddening. And I'll bet you dollars to donuts that "equipment" they're talking about doesn't include a rifle. If so, carrying in your "food" makes you nothing more than a vending machine for the "inhabitants".

Indeed. I carry at least a pistol. Sadly, that makes me a criminal in some places.

I'll just have to deal with being alive to answer the charges.

201 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:10:15pm

re: #189 Guanxi88

Which, metaphorically, is what the Left has wanted here for decades, at least.

Alas, you're right. And to continue your metaphor, when the wolves take final possession, they'll eat the lefties. Yum, yum.

202 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:10:17pm

Guess who my new office gossip buddy is? The truth is a wonderfully liberating thing. And the truth shall set you free....................or send you to reeducation camps.

203 Ceemack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:10:22pm

And to think some of us were worried that his lack of experience might hurt his effectiveness as commander-in-chief.

Boy, do we feel silly now.

/sarc off

204 jemima  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:10:46pm

He suddenly cares about the Constitution? He said it needed to be rewritten, updated. He'd as soon crap on it than uphold it.

205 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:10:48pm

re: #194 J.S.

He can fuck himself sideways, and all his supporters here can shove their concerns up their wazoos. Terrorists.

206 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:10:58pm

re: #173 Dustyvet

Is the book "The Peter Principle" still in print...?

Yup.

A new and updated edition will be released on April 14, 2009.

207 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:11:15pm

re: #200 Van Helsing

Indeed. I carry at least a pistol. Sadly, that makes me a criminal in some places.

I'll just have to deal with being alive to answer the charges.

So do I.

;-)

208 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:11:34pm

re: #196 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Obama and his team are giving the wounded fish signal that will draw sharks from around the world.

Stock up on canned soups and bottled water. We have.

209 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:12:04pm

re: #199 Elcid

Billy Joel - You May Be Right...for THE 54%.

[Video]

Don't even have to watch it.

Right on the nose.
You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just might be a lunatic you're looking for.

210 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:12:05pm

re: #208 DistantThunder

Obama and his team are giving the wounded fish signal that will draw sharks from around the world.

Stock up on canned soups and bottled water. We have.

I have those along with hollow points.

211 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:12:06pm

re: #140 DistantThunder


They argue that with the destruction of capitalism, and the self-management of production by workers and communities, property crimes would largely vanish.

I hear there are very few homicides in certain oceanic trenches, and various extraterrestrial locales that don't support human life.

212 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:12:06pm

re: #202 smokefire

If they try to make me go to re-hab, I'll scream NO NO NO

/not as famous Jewish crooner, but I'm doing my best here...

213 vapig  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:12:18pm

Great! This damn fool wants to move them (the terrorists) HERE!

Democrats want to move terrorists to Virginia

214 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:12:23pm

Our constitution applies to us. They are them, and as such it doesn't fucking apply.

'Course he thinks the whole document is too limiting to begin with.

215 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:12:33pm

re: #208 DistantThunder

Obama and his team are giving the wounded fish signal that will draw sharks from around the world.

Stock up on canned soups and bottled water. We have.

You might put ammo in the shopping list, I do.

216 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:12:34pm

re: #200 Van Helsing

Indeed. I carry at least a pistol. Sadly, that makes me a criminal in some places.

I'll just have to deal with being alive to answer the charges.

Our daughter got her concealed carry permit last month and received a gun for Christmas from her new husband. We feel relieved that she can take care of herself.

217 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:12:35pm

re: #204 jemima

He suddenly cares about the Constitution? He said it needed to be rewritten, updated.

Not to mention that his eyes glaze over and his attention wanders somewhere between Amendments No. 1 and 3.

218 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:12:36pm

re: #192 DistantThunder

I've been talking about the Peter Principle since November 4th. Here we go....


I read the Peter Principle in 1969 as an E-3 on an aircraft carrier.
I'm waiting for the exception that proves the rule.

I'm beginning to think it should be titled "The Peter Law".

219 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:13:03pm

re: #206 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yup.

A new and updated edition will be released on April 14, 2009.

Great...:)

220 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:13:26pm

Let me see if I got this straight:

For 7 years the Democrats have complained about Bush using Gitmo to detain terrorists. For 7 years they called for Gitmo to be closed. For 7 years they called for habeus corpus for terrorists and fair trials in America.

And now just 7 days after Obama ordered Gitmo closed, they're having a change of heart.

Now they don't know what to do.

Is that about it?

221 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:13:36pm

re: #215 maddogg

You might put ammo in the shopping list, I do.

Not to worry.

222 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:13:46pm

re: #208 DistantThunder

Obama and his team are giving the wounded fish signal that will draw sharks from around the world.

Stock up on canned soups and bottled water. We have.

If you need help, make a sound like a dying giraffe. [awoouuuuu]

223 Opinionated  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:13:51pm

re: #147 Opinionated

hard-core militants....."

Oh god. I just realized that our President is using the BS PC language.

Even what he calls the hard core, they are not terrorists, they are just militants.

224 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:13:57pm

re: #185 Opinionated

In the past week our President has said that Iran used to [in the past] support terrorism and now he says that there are only 200 or so Jihadists we need to fear.

Is ignorant and crazy an impeachable offense?

Dunno about this being impeachable - but crazy is certainly something for which a King or Queen could be deposed ...

225 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:13:57pm

re: #155 Van Helsing

re: #141 WriterMom

Sorry-your President is a lunatic.

We're sorry he's a lunatic, too.
Well, 48% of us are REALLY sorry.

49%... 50%... 55%... 65%...

/well, I can hope, can't I?

226 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:14:07pm

re: #205 WriterMom

He can fuck himself sideways, and all his supporters here can shove their concerns up their wazoos. Terrorists.

That was very blunt. UPDING.

227 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:14:09pm

re: #212 WriterMom

If they try to make me go to re-hab, I'll scream NO NO NO

/not as famous Jewish crooner, but I'm doing my best here...

reminds me of

Youtube Video
228 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:14:11pm

The air force will see the F-22 shot down and take half the air force with it.

229 Killer Tomato  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:14:13pm

re: #206 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yup.

A new and updated edition will be released on April 14, 2009.

Is Obama on the cover?

230 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:14:19pm

I throw my shoe at you, YouTube.

Key lyric bit..."It just may be a lunatic, you're looking for".

231 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:14:35pm

re: #216 DistantThunder

and received a gun for Christmas from her new husband.


ooooh what'dsheget what'dsheget what'dsheget?!

232 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:14:39pm

re: #223 Opinionated

Oh god. I just realized that our President is using the BS PC language.

Even what he calls the hard core, they are not terrorists, they are just militants.

Hey, the same term fits Ayers et al; that and "activists" (which get applied to Hamas-niks, so why not?

233 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:14:39pm

re: #223 Opinionated

Nice catch. "Islamic terrorist" is just NOT gonna be in his vocab.

234 tfc3rid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:14:50pm

YAY! From Hot Air...

United States President, Barack Obama will have a face-to-face meeting with his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez in April in Port of Spain, when the two leaders will be among three dozen heads of government and state at the three day Summit of the Americas.

235 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:15:01pm

re: #216 DistantThunder

Congratulations!
Always a happy event to welcome a citizen, not a subject.

236 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:15:01pm

re: #188 WriterMom

It will be refreshing when people start telling the truth about him.

It reminds me of a colleague who came into my office and mentioned that he really wasn't so crazy about the whole environMENTAL and 'climate change' "ISSUES". I guess he felt safe in my office. I said really? He said yes really. So, I said, well what do you expect? We work in a place run by militant environmental, mean lesbian feminazis. His mouth dropped open. Then I said-and guess what else? They want to cut your dick off!

Guess who my new office gossip buddy is? The truth is a wonderfully liberating thing.


Do you REALLY work in such a place?

My wife once did..... she couldn't advance at all. The lesbos hated her. I'm honestly not sure why, but I have a few ideas.

237 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:15:32pm

re: #216 DistantThunder

Wow. Cool. My last gift was a cappucino maker for my anniversary.

238 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:15:33pm

re: #220 Kenneth

pretty much so. Lets put them somewhere else..............How about Madagasscar?

OK, how many of you out there got that one?

239 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:15:33pm

re: #220 Kenneth

Let me see if I got this straight:

For 7 years the Democrats have complained about Bush using Gitmo to detain terrorists. For 7 years they called for Gitmo to be closed. For 7 years they called for habeus corpus for terrorists and fair trials in America.

And now just 7 days after Obama ordered Gitmo closed, they're having a change of heart.

Now they don't know what to do.

Is that about it?

I want to laugh and cry and call my brother and yell at him for voting for Obama.

"What were you thinking?"

240 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:15:39pm

re: #180 Occasional Reader

You have to work up to get that job.

241 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:15:48pm

re: #220 Kenneth

Let me see if I got this straight:

For 7 years the Democrats have complained about Bush using Gitmo to detain terrorists. For 7 years they called for Gitmo to be closed. For 7 years they called for habeus corpus for terrorists and fair trials in America.

And now just 7 days after Obama ordered Gitmo closed, they're having a change of heart.

Now they don't know what to do.

Is that about it?

That's about it. It's kind of like buying a brand new Rolls-Royce and then realizing you don't have a garage.

242 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:15:52pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

Unfortunately, in this case, the wolves have become habituated to the lefties who raise them in captivity before they release them. They really prefer cows, sheep, dogs, and the occasional horse. The best counter strategy seems to be large ranch dogs who will cross-breed with the wolves. The lefties seek out and kill those litters.

Bastards!
Tehre are some excellent dog breeds who take on wolves - some Turkish ones, and the Maremma sheepdog.
Not cuddly - but wolves don't mess with them or their flocks ...

243 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:15:59pm

re: #238 smokefire

pretty much so. Lets put them somewhere else..............How about Madagasscar?

OK, how many of you out there got that one?

Me, at least, you mean old SOB.

244 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:16:05pm

Help me I am in hell.

245 x-wing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:16:24pm

re: #207 subsailor68

So do I.

;-)


Carried by six,or judged by twelve.

I'll take my chances with twelve...also.

246 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:16:46pm

re: #225 Spenser (with an S)

49%... 50%... 55%... 65%...

/well, I can hope, can't I?

The way things are going, pretty soon (hopefully) people will be saying I did not vote for him.

247 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:16:49pm

re: #213 vapig

Great! This damn fool wants to move them (the terrorists) HERE!

Democrats want to move terrorists to Virginia

One word.

Voters.

248 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:16:59pm

re: #209 smokefire

Don't even have to watch it.

Right on the nose.
You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just might be a lunatic you're looking for.

Yeah...DAMN those "Embedding Disabled" sources....lol.

249 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:17:03pm

re: #224 yma o hyd

Dunno about this being impeachable - but crazy is certainly something for which a King or Queen could be deposed ...

deposed?....sometimes that's getting off light

250 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:17:21pm

re: #222 Occasional Reader

If you need help, make a sound like a dying giraffe. [awoouuuuu]

It's like a bleeding donkey walking across a pirana infested river. It's not a matter of IF but WHEN.

"Come and get us terrorists. We've not ready anymore."

251 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:17:22pm

I'm hoping that when some jihadi (maybe one released from Gitmo), shows up in NYC, LA, or DC to blow the place up, having slipped through all the holes in our security B. Hussein has made, he gets nailed by a private citizen carrying a gun.
This would show the dangers of B. Hussein's policies, but won't get anyone killed but the jihadi.

But I do fear innocent people will die.

252 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:17:40pm

re: #3 Racer X

I sure picked the wrong day to quit smoking crack.

I picked the wrong day to stop hitting myself on the forehead with a ball-peen hammer.

253 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:17:50pm

re: #235 Van Helsing

Congratulations!
Always a happy event to welcome a citizen, not a subject.

Yes, and she will stay that way.

254 redheadredstate  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:17:54pm

Rush said it best when he said that "ignorance is the US biggest liability" I thought he was talking mostly about the electorate but it appears he's also talking about the POTUS. There is no excuse for someone this idiotic to be president of this nation. I saw a great bumper sticker this morning on the way to work it said "don't blame me I voted for McCain" I would laugh harder but I know full well that this moron in the WH is going to get a lot of American's killed. All we can hope for is to limit him to one term.

255 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:17:56pm

re: #245 x-wing

Carried by six,or judged by twelve.

I'll take my chances with twelve...also.

Where's Albert Pierrpoint when we need him...?

256 Infidel_Jim  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:18:05pm

Where is Mr. O's mickey mouse hat.

257 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:18:08pm

re: #236 eschew_obfuscation

Yes I do. And I do know what bothers people about me and I'm proud of it. And it's not just the mean lesbians...there are other heterosexuals-mostly women-that I enrage. Generally speaking they are the earnest, unkempt, liberals who sit on their fat-asses buying carbon credits for self-gratification.

258 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:18:13pm

re: #245 x-wing

Carried by six,or judged by twelve.

I'll take my chances with twelve...also.

Don't know where you are, but I'm in rural Texas, and I'm more than willing to take a chance with a jury of my peers.

;-)

259 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:18:19pm

re: #250 DistantThunder

It's like a bleeding donkey walking across a pirana infested river

[puffs out chest]

Hey, bring it on! I eat piranhas for breakfast.

(Actually, I did, once.)

260 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:18:56pm

re: #241 subsailor68

That's about it. It's kind of like buying a brand new Rolls-Royce and then realizing you don't have a garage.

This whole government thingie...

It's like hard.
Wah.

As I said once before, Obama was hoping that dad would give him the car keys.
Instead, he got dropped into the left seat of a 747 losing altitude at 1000fpm.
And O is not a pilot.

261 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:18:57pm

re: #196 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I beg you to send that briliant post to the relevant people in the RNC - starting with Mr Steele.

262 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:18:57pm

Learn faster please Mr. Obama.

It is the age of Nefarious,

not the age of Aquarius (OOOOOOOOOoooooo!).


Mystic crystal revelations ...

263 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:12pm

But I do fear innocent people will die.

We will. I just hope I got laid the night prior.

264 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:13pm

re: #138 SummerSong

That throw your shoe thing is really catching on -


Protester hurls shoe at Chinese PM during UK visit

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

The Shoe Toss will be a Summer Olympic Game event.

265 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:13pm

CBBHO's Race Card.

266 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:16pm

“But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

So this guy really thinks that the reason we were attacked on 9/11 (and earlier) is that we're not consistent with our values? And he's our President. We are so freaking boned, people.

267 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:18pm

re: #251 Kosh's Shadow

I'm hoping that when some jihadi (maybe one released from Gitmo), shows up in NYC, LA, or DC to blow the place up, having slipped through all the holes in our security B. Hussein has made, he gets nailed by a private citizen carrying a gun.
This would show the dangers of B. Hussein's policies, but won't get anyone killed but the jihadi.

But I do fear innocent people will die.

If such a scenario were to play out, I'd fear for the citizen and his/her family. Jihadus interruptus tends to be frustrating to those involved, and I'd put money the shooter would need some serious legal and personal protection for the rest of his/her life, and for the family, too.

268 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:20pm

re: #188 WriterMom

Are you sure your new buddy isn't some kind of undercover agent for the Stalinist thought police? Better check his bowtie for a hidden camera.

269 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:21pm

re: #257 WriterMom

Yes I do. And I do know what bothers people about me and I'm proud of it. And it's not just the mean lesbians...there are other heterosexuals-mostly women-that I enrage. Generally speaking they are the earnest, unkempt, liberals who sit on their fat-asses buying carbon credits for self-gratification.

I think your next job should be at a gun range, just to decompress!

270 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:24pm

re: #254 redheadredstate

Rush said it best when he said that "ignorance is the US biggest liability" I thought he was talking mostly about the electorate but it appears he's also talking about the POTUS. There is no excuse for someone this idiotic to be president of this nation. I saw a great bumper sticker this morning on the way to work it said "don't blame me I voted for McCain" I would laugh harder but I know full well that this moron in the WH is going to get a lot of American's killed. All we can hope for is to limit him to one term.

To be honest McCain might have been worse. Who knows.

271 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:24pm

re: #257 WriterMom

Yes I do. And I do know what bothers people about me and I'm proud of it. And it's not just the mean lesbians...there are other heterosexuals-mostly women-that I enrage. Generally speaking they are the earnest, unkempt, liberals who sit on their fat-asses buying carbon credits for self-gratification.

And self-pleasuring...they're hard up. ie. Code Pink

272 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:41pm

re: #252 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I picked the wrong day to stop hitting myself on the forehead with a ball-peen hammer.

You stopped? I did not know I could stop. It seems the pain would be much worse when I stop.

273 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:19:50pm

re: #241 subsailor68

That's about it. It's kind of like buying a brand new Rolls-Royce and then realizing you don't have a garage.

or even a license to drive.

274 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:20:05pm

re: #153 Occasional Reader

By the way, the seeming contradiction in the Obama quotes would actually make perfect sense... in a law-enforcement context.

Which, apparently, is what Obama thinks this matter is.

Whuch then means,
Oh shit, we're going to go through this shit again. It'll be Clinton and the 1993 WTC bombing all over again.

275 Catttt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:20:19pm

President O seems to have a mix of the qualities of President Carter and President Nixon, and the qualities mixed are the bad ones from each former President.

Aleve.

276 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:20:20pm

re: #258 subsailor68

An Israeli cousin of mine works for an American company and work takes her to Texas very frequently. You can't imagine how popular she is there. Strawberry blond, ex-IDF soldier, hilarious computer engineering ace who can out-drink and out-eat all of the Texans.

277 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:20:21pm

re: #251 Kosh's Shadow

In the cities you named said Jihadi is much more likely to get ventilated by gang violence from illegal guns.

278 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:20:22pm

re: #141 WriterMom

Sorry-your President is a lunatic.

Did Mandy give you a heads-up?

279 Lincolntf  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:20:30pm

re: #234 tfc3rid

Oh, for crying out loud. Obama's becoming a punchline (and a punching bag) for despots.
If he gives Alaska back to Russia next week, don't be surprised.

280 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:20:38pm

re: #266 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So this guy really thinks that the reason we were attacked on 9/11 (and earlier) is that we're not consistent with our values?

You don't remember all those talking points in the Osama bin Laden tapes about how pissed he is regarding inappopriately expansive intepretations of the Commerce Clause?

281 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:20:43pm

re: #247 Racer X

One word.

Voters.

Wherever they go, from Wikipedia:

The Governor of Virginia serves as the chief executive of the Commonwealth of Virginia for a four-year term. The position is currently held by Democrat Tim Kaine.

The Wikipedia quote will read "The position is currently held by Republican ... "

282 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:21:02pm

re: #266 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

“But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

So this guy really thinks that the reason we were attacked on 9/11 (and earlier) is that we're not consistent with our values? And he's our President. We are so freaking boned, people.

US weakness is a recruitment tool for AlQueda - you ninny, beta-male, metro-sexual, p-whipped - Mr President.

283 Catttt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:21:06pm

I want a "Don't Blame Me - I didn't vote for the O" bumper sticker.

284 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:21:20pm

re: #276 WriterMom

An Israeli cousin of mine works for an American company and work takes her to Texas very frequently. You can't imagine how popular she is there. Strawberry blond, ex-IDF soldier, hilarious computer engineering ace who can out-drink and out-eat all of the Texans.

I know you'd miss her, but gotta say I wish she'd think about moving here permanently!

:-)

285 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:21:49pm

Glen Beck is playing a new song by "Big and Rich" about the economy, and Beck is saying this is what America is saying.

No they are not. Not enough of them. That's what I keep trying to say. There is too much hyperbole. Let's just stick to facts.

It sounds nice on the radio to say what Beck says, but doesn't solve anything. Ok, so in actuality, most of his listeners is saying what Big and Rick is saying.

But guess what, Obama is not in office because America is saying anything but "We love Obama."

That's why he is in there.

We have to stop with the he is "stupid, doesn't know what he is doing, he's this, he's that." Stop it.

He is a smart, calculating politician with socialist beliefs and very intelligent advisors and people supporting him. He knows what he is doing, we have to stop diminishing how dangerous he is...

Never mind, I'm too upset to finish this comment.

286 smokefire  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:21:49pm

re: #276 WriterMom

An Israeli cousin of mine works for an American company and work takes her to Texas very frequently. You can't imagine how popular she is there. Strawberry blond, ex-IDF soldier, hilarious computer engineering ace who can out-drink and out-eat all of the Texans.

............who probably can also out shoot them too.

287 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:21:56pm

re: #283 Catttt

I want a "Don't Blame Me - I didn't vote for the O" bumper sticker.

I'm still looking for "I'd rather have a W than a zero."

288 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:21:59pm

re: #268 Kenneth

No, he's definitely coming over to the Dark Side...he used to be much more liberal.

289 x-wing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:22:03pm

re: #258 subsailor68

Don't know where you are, but I'm in rural Texas, and I'm more than willing to take a chance with a jury of my peers.

;-)

I live in the un-stupid section of Pa. ;>}

290 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:22:04pm

re: #276 WriterMom

I can think of several LGFer's who will be asking you for her number...

291 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:22:11pm

Just in case any international Lizards are not paying full attention, Obama sees terrorism conducted in foreign theatres (I know that is how you spell it over there) by agents of multinational organizations as a matter for American criminal courts. Following this logic into the future, effectively the entire world is under the jurisdiction of American law enforcement and criminal justice system.

Welcome to the America comrades. You may never know our country's hospitality, but your countrymen and children may one day see the insides of our prisons.

292 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:22:19pm

re: #267 Guanxi88

If such a scenario were to play out, I'd fear for the citizen and his/her family. Jihadus interruptus tends to be frustrating to those involved, and I'd put money the shooter would need some serious legal and personal protection for the rest of his/her life, and for the family, too.

Yes, the UN would immediately get upset over the "disproportionate response".

293 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:22:30pm

re: #270 Harry Tuttle

To be honest McCain might have been worse. Who knows.

McCain doesn't have a death wish. McCain has not lost his survival instincts. McCain has met more murdering bastards around the world to ever let himself become deluded into thinking that we can appease them.

294 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:22:34pm

re: #283 Catttt

I want a "Don't Blame Me - I didn't vote for the O" bumper sticker.

I have a "DON'T BLAME ME--I VOTED FOR BUSH" T-shirt somewhere. It still looks good 19 years later.

295 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:22:46pm

Breaking News:

NBC is reviving Fantasy Island, starring Barack Hussein Obama. Word out of NBC..."We're looking for a little fucker, who can say De Plane, De Plane".

296 kansas  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:01pm

re: #27 eschew_obfuscation

I hope he feels comfortable explaining this to the widows of Americans who will be killed by those released.

That, I'm sure, will make us safer /

(he actually got through law school?)

I'm pretty sure that's easy to do when you are on the Affirmative Action Plan.

297 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:07pm

re: #269 Occasional Reader

I wish, but Toronto is a gun free zone. The City of Toronto has even forbidden guns at any city-owned facility.

298 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:13pm

re: #283 Catttt

I want a "Don't Blame Me - I didn't vote for the O" bumper sticker.

How about "Don't blame me... I voted for Kodos"?

299 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:16pm

re: #289 x-wing

I live in the un-stupid section of Pa. ;>}

Sounds just as good. Grew up in New York state and spent quite a few summers in the southern tier. Definitely the un-stupid part of Pa - and the folks were great!

300 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:30pm

re: #249 albusteve

deposed?....sometimes that's getting off light

Och, we went down the 'off-with-his-head'- road once.
The aftermath wasn't so successful ...

301 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:30pm

re: #290 Kenneth

She just got engaged...which is really nice.

302 Gella  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:32pm

think 1st then do, not do then think, D'oH

303 bulwrk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:48pm

re: #242 yma o hyd

I hear the Mastiff is making a big comeback after nearly becoming a lost breed.

304 jemima  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:49pm

Intellectually I have accepted the inevitable massive casualties of my fellow citizens but when it happens, I suspect I will nearly lose my mind. So it is in this state of funereal pall we go forward and I can only wonder how, in bafflement, does hope survive under these circumstances.

305 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:51pm

re: #295 Elcid

Breaking News:

NBC is reviving Fantasy Island, starring Barack Hussein Obama. Word out of NBC..."We're looking for a little fucker, who can say De Plane, De Plane".

Isn't that David Axelrod's job?

306 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:23:54pm

re: #270 Harry Tuttle

To be honest McCain might have been worse. Who knows.

Fuck you.

307 redheadredstate  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:08pm

re: #270 Harry Tuttle

I'm not a huge fan of McCain either but honestly I KNOW he would do a better job than this. My high school son would do a better job than this!
Maybe it would be better if the bumper sticker reads "hey don't blame me I voted for Palin".

308 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:09pm

re: #297 WriterMom

I wish, but Toronto is a gun free zone. The City of Toronto has even forbidden guns at any city-owned facility.

Well, "gun free" for legal gun owners, that is. Criminals are still allowed to run around town shooting people.

309 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:21pm

re: #293 DistantThunder

Not worse

310 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:29pm

re: #257 WriterMom

Yes I do. And I do know what bothers people about me and I'm proud of it. And it's not just the mean lesbians...there are other heterosexuals-mostly women-that I enrage. Generally speaking they are the earnest, unkempt, liberals who sit on their fat-asses buying carbon credits for self-gratification.

Well, I suspect you might be a little more outspoken on a variety of subjects than my wife might have been, and I can hazard a guess at what's bothering them in your case.

Props to ya' for standing your ground and may you be blessed for it!

311 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:36pm

re: #295 Elcid

Breaking News:

NBC is reviving Fantasy Island, starring Barack Hussein Obama. Word out of NBC..."We're looking for a little fucker, who can say De Plane, De Plane".

James Carville! ;)

312 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:41pm

re: #297 WriterMom

but Toronto is a gun free zone

You forgot the scare quotes!

313 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:42pm

re: #297 WriterMom

I wish, but Toronto is a gun free zone. The City of Toronto has even forbidden guns at any city-owned facility.

OK, does that include law enforcement officers?

Sounds a lot like Chicago, which is in la-la land over guns.

314 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:44pm

re: #270 Harry Tuttle

To be honest McCain might have been worse. Who knows.

You have lost your mind.

315 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:45pm

re: #301 WriterMom

mazel tov!

316 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:45pm

re: #295 Elcid

Breaking News:

NBC is reviving Fantasy Island, starring Barack Hussein Obama. Word out of NBC..."We're looking for a little fucker, who can say De Plane, De Plane".

I got him right here.

317 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:24:57pm

re: #79 DeafDog

He's the most intelligent president, perhaps ever. At least he's the most intelligent president since Kennedy - although Clinton was very smart, too.

/

You forgot Carter. I've heard he is the smartest president we've ever had. Please don't leave this brilliant man out.

/doIgotta?

318 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:25:12pm

re: #308 Kenneth

gun free = guaranteed victims, to the deranged and criminal.

319 Pianobuff  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:25:31pm

“Can we guarantee that they’re not going to try to participate in another attack? No,” Obama said. “But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

Hmmmm.... my brain hurts as I tried to reconcile this to his spiel about "false choices".

320 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:25:37pm

re: #297 WriterMom

I wish, but Toronto is a gun free zone. The City of Toronto has even forbidden guns at any city-owned facility.

Well, "gun free zone" is really just a euphemism for "target rich environment".

Sad, crazy, suicidal.

Sigh.

321 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:25:41pm

WriterMom and Kenneth - so, to be clear, firearms are completely banned for civilians in Toronto?

322 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:25:45pm

re: #293 DistantThunder

McCain doesn't have a death wish. McCain has not lost his survival instincts. McCain has met more murdering bastards around the world to ever let himself become deluded into thinking that we can appease them.

I agree he is basically switched on in national security, but what about everything else he screwed us on?

323 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:26:10pm

re: #285 Walter L. Newton

Glen Beck is playing a new song by "Big and Rich" about the economy, and Beck is saying this is what America is saying.

No they are not. Not enough of them. That's what I keep trying to say. There is too much hyperbole. Let's just stick to facts.

It sounds nice on the radio to say what Beck says, but doesn't solve anything. Ok, so in actuality, most of his listeners is saying what Big and Rick is saying.

But guess what, Obama is not in office because America is saying anything but "We love Obama."

That's why he is in there.

We have to stop with the he is "stupid, doesn't know what he is doing, he's this, he's that." Stop it.

He is a smart, calculating politician with socialist beliefs and very intelligent advisors and people supporting him. He knows what he is doing, we have to stop diminishing how dangerous he is...

Never mind, I'm too upset to finish this comment.

I feel sorry for you. I mean, it's got to be tough writing prose that appeals to the masses without revealing your core thoughts.

So I gave you a sympathy upding.
I also italicized the summary of what we're dealing with.

324 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:26:19pm

re: #270 Harry Tuttle

McCain being worse would be impossible.

325 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:26:44pm

Tell me again how this man is considered an intellect?

326 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:26:51pm

re: #305 Honorary Yooper

Isn't that David Axelrod's job?

Is he a "little fucker"? If so, latest word from NBC IS, "production starts immediately" they continued saying "Mr. Obama isn't doing jack shit, anyway".

327 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:27:02pm

Good Afternoon Lizards!

“But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe."

Can someone please tell me how holding foreign combatants as detainees at Guantanamo constitutes a violation of our Constitution? And how, exactly, is it that releasing these people is supposed to make us safer? I guess I just don't understand Obama-ese.

328 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:27:11pm

re: #325 NYCHardhat

Groovy looks.

329 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:27:30pm

:D

330 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:27:32pm

re: #308 Kenneth

Well, "gun free" for legal gun owners, that is. Criminals are still allowed to run around town shooting people.

Wish I could ding that up twice.
People need to be reminded that criminals don't care what the laws are.
Laws restricting your right (or obligation, from my POV) to self-defense give the criminal the upper hand.

331 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:27:34pm

re: #324 FurryOldGuyJeans

McCain being worse would be impossible.

Even Hillary Clinton being worse has the odds stacked against it.

BHO has the potential to be the worst president since Carter.

332 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:27:42pm

re: #320 subsailor68

Well, "gun free zone" is really just a euphemism for "target rich environment".

Sad, crazy, suicidal.

Sigh.

"slaughter zones" - Guns don't kill people - gun laws do.

333 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:27:44pm

re: #306 MandyManners

Fuck you.

What do you lot love the guy then? McCain is most of the reason Obama got the fucking job.

Screw him. And screw you as well.

334 Gella  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:28:08pm

just remember with this POTUS its all about looks, if u are ugly u are out and GITMO is definitely ugly

335 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:28:17pm

re: #325 NYCHardhat

Tell me again how this man is considered an intellect?

He has already given at least a dozen of The Greatest Speeches in American History. Like that one about... erm, hmm, "horizons", or something... and "bitter swill", yeah, that was in there, and... look, they're just really great speeches, okay?!

336 Lee Coller  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:28:22pm
But he told NBC News that closure of the prison was a matter of upholding U.S. values and law the leftist agenda, and that a failure to do so would ultimately make Americans less secure upsite his leftist base.

“Can we guarantee that they’re not going to try to participate in another attack? No,” Obama said. “But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

337 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:28:29pm

re: #316 MandyManners

I got him right here.

LMFAO (you can surmise what the F stands for)

338 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:28:36pm

re: #325 NYCHardhat

Tell me again how this man is considered an intellect?

But, don't you know, he went to Columbia and Harvard Law School, so he's muy intelligent!
/Must I?

339 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:28:59pm

re: #331 Honorary Yooper

Even Hillary Clinton being worse has the odds stacked against it.

BHO has the potential to be the worst president since Carter.

And keeps trying to improve on that potential.

340 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:29:06pm

re: #322 Harry Tuttle

I agree he is basically switched on in national security, but what about everything else he screwed us on?

He had zero earmarks to his name for ARizona - he believed adamantly in reduced federal spending. He wanted each child to have a $5000 tax credit. Minus immigration, and campaign laws stuff, he would have been OK.

341 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:29:24pm

re: #328 Ojoe

Groovy looks.

groovy

342 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:29:25pm

re: #329 Fat Jolly Penguin

:D

I'd love to meet the women who model for that cartoon.

(Well, yeah, they probably don't exist, but...)

343 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:30:04pm

re: #333 Harry Tuttle

What do you lot love the guy then? McCain is most of the reason Obama got the fucking job.

Screw him. And screw you as well.


The bold part I agree with.

Back at you on the rest.

344 Kragarghazi  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:30:09pm

I can't wait till Obama gets wind of a terrorist plot in the US to blow up civilians. As soon as they catch one, they'll tell him "You have the right to remain silent" and the ACLU and CAIR will keep Barry busy even after their still trying to ID the victims.

345 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:30:11pm

re: #332 DistantThunder

"slaughter zones" - Guns don't kill people - gun laws do.

Amen to that. And how many stories could we cite - probably just from memory - about shootings in clearly identified "gun free zones"? Probably hundreds.

346 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:30:14pm

re: #341 NYCHardhat

Yeah he smokes too

they won't tell you, really, on NPR.

347 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:30:20pm

re: #333 Harry Tuttle

What do you lot love the guy then? McCain is most of the reason Obama got the fucking job.

Screw him. And screw you as well.

EASY KILLER.

348 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:30:28pm

re: #340 DistantThunder

He had zero earmarks to his name for ARizona - he believed adamantly in reduced federal spending. He wanted each child to have a $5000 tax credit exemption. Minus immigration, and campaign laws stuff, he would have been OK.

349 Catttt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:30:38pm

re: #268 Kenneth

Are you sure your new buddy isn't some kind of undercover agent for the Stalinist thought police? Better check his bowtie for a hidden camera.

Liberals make lousy spies. By their half caff skim lates and Bass Weejuns you shall know them.

350 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:30:53pm

re: #327 Ford_Prefect

Good Afternoon Lizards!

Can someone please tell me how holding foreign combatants as detainees at Guantanamo constitutes a violation of our Constitution? And how, exactly, is it that releasing these people is supposed to make us safer? I guess I just don't understand Obama-ese.

it doesnt...he lied...pretty simple

351 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:31:13pm

re: #295 Elcid

Breaking News:

NBC is reviving Fantasy Island, starring Barack Hussein Obama. Word out of NBC..."We're looking for a little fucker, who can say De Plane, De Plane".

Network execs at CBS announced plans to revive a hit sitcom from the '70's to be called Welcome Back Carter, about a remedial learning class of liberal diplomats. They're currently shooting the pilot episode in Tehran.

352 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:31:15pm

re: #340 DistantThunder

He had zero earmarks to his name for ARizona - he believed adamantly in reduced federal spending. He wanted each child to have a $5000 tax credit. Minus immigration, and campaign laws stuff, he would have been OK.

McCain Fiengold, bad law basically gave the fucking presidency to Obama.

Illegal immigration. McCain is a liberal who gives us the shaft every chance he can.

353 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:31:58pm

re: #321 Occasional Reader

We are still allowed to own them, but you are not allowed to have them.

354 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:32:00pm

re: #295 Elcid

Breaking News:

NBC is reviving Fantasy Island, starring Barack Hussein Obama. Word out of NBC..."We're looking for a little fucker, who can say De Plane, De Plane".


Where the hell's Robert Reich when you need him.

355 Kragarghazi  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:32:05pm

re: #295 Elcid

Breaking News:

NBC is reviving Fantasy Island, starring Barack Hussein Obama. Word out of NBC..."We're looking for a little fucker, who can say De Plane, De Plane".

Have they had Kos audition yet?

356 DistantThunder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:32:06pm

re: #350 albusteve

it doesnt...he lied...pretty simple

You will be assigned re-education camp "Free thought."

357 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:32:11pm

re: #347 NYCHardhat

EASY KILLER.

Follow the parent comment Jack.

358 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:32:17pm

re: #325 NYCHardhat

Tell me again how this man is considered an intellect?

You just don't understand. Our last President had a bust of his role model, the Fascist dictator of Nazi Britain, Winston Churchill in his office. Obviously the sign of a dessicated mind, incapable of anything but the most simple, violent thoughts.

Obama however relies upon the tribal wisdom of a great African leader of yore. Once that egg hatches we will know which one.

359 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:32:17pm

re: #340 DistantThunder

He had zero earmarks to his name for ARizona - he believed adamantly in reduced federal spending. He wanted each child to have a $5000 tax credit. Minus immigration, and campaign laws stuff, he would have been OK.

I'll just say he wouldn't have been worse than Obama.
I live in AZ and I'm really hoping that there is a viable candidate for his seat when his term is up.

360 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:32:38pm

re: #352 Harry Tuttle

McCain Fiengold, bad law basically gave the fucking presidency to Obama.

Illegal immigration. McCain is a liberal who gives us the shaft every chance he can.

Obama won because he is Black ...period. Call me racist if you want ...I do not care ...a white guy with his lack of qualifications would NEVER have even been in the running ...

361 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:33:00pm

So, I was buying beer at the store yesterday and I one of the women's magazines had the headline "Secrets of a Whitehouse Mom" and I thought "Cool, they let Laura write an open letter to Michelle like her girls did for the Obama girls".

Nope. Closer examination revealed an article by MICHELLE OBAMA! What, 2 weeks in and she has these great Secrets to share with us?! Unreal.

362 Steve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:33:23pm

Am I coming down from a bad hallucination, nightmare or did I just wake up in an alternate universe?

Somebody help me please!

363 DeafDog  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:33:25pm

re: #295 Elcid

Breaking News:

NBC is reviving Fantasy Island, starring Barack Hussein Obama. Word out of NBC..."We're looking for a little fucker, who can say De Plane, De Plane".

Robert Reich

364 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:33:29pm

re: #316 MandyManners

I got him right here.

Ding!...:)

365 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:33:33pm
366 z9z99  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:33:37pm

Once again we see the progressive tendency for preferring theorizing and emoting about things without noticing the practical. If we are to believe Mr. Obama, murderers join al-Qaida to encourage Americans to be more faithful to our Constitution, another example apparently, of foreigners doing jobs Americans won't do. Another part of this theory is that if we treat terrorists as criminals within the bounds of our judicial system, well that makes everyone safer all around. But it might behoove the President to notice that the reason Osama bin Laden was allowed to set up shop in Afghanistan and orchestrate terrorist acts against the United States is because the Clinton administration treated him as a criminal suspect. We know how that turned out.

The money quote from the linked article:

"At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.

This despite the fact that bin Laden was subsequently indicted for killing five Americans and two Indians in Riyadh on November 14, 1995.

Maybe treating terrorism as an episode of CSI: Miami has a little more of a down-side than the President realizes.

367 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:33:45pm

It's better for a thousand innocent people to die than to keep one guilty jihadi locked-up.
/President Obama

368 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:33:50pm

re: #351 Kenneth

Network execs at CBS announced plans to revive a hit sitcom from the '70's to be called Welcome Back Carter, about a remedial learning class of liberal diplomats. They're currently shooting the pilot episode in Tehran.

I heard they're also inspired to bring back Mr. Ed, the talking horse, of course. It's an easy decision, because all they had to do was move the camera to the other end of the stall.

369 Gella  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:34:03pm

re: #360 JacksonTn

Obama won because he is Black ...period. Call me racist if you want ...I do not care ...a white guy with his lack of qualifications would NEVER have even been in the running ...

exactly, this whole election has been about race, if you dont vote for zero that means u are racist, or ignorant

370 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:34:16pm

re: #323 jwb7605

I feel sorry for you. I mean, it's got to be tough writing prose that appeals to the masses without revealing your core thoughts.

So I gave you a sympathy upding.
I also italicized the summary of what we're dealing with.

Thanks, I understand this time your "tongue in cheek" compliment.

Honestly, disagreement has become meaningless sound bites. To make a point, you state an opposite opinion, you have to do it with something that will "sell" something, that will attract and audience, that will fit into a format of 12 minute segments, or 300 word editorial.

This is a same process that Orwell pointed out in the book "1984." The process of diminishing language down to the point that a opposite opinion, an unorthodox thought, could not be stated. could not be held in the mind, because the method of communication doesn't support that complexity anymore.

Just watch it, before you know it, it will not be possible to make any point that is "hurtful" or diminishes another person.

And then the language will be "pure."

371 coloradobuff  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:34:25pm

What's scary is that our President is supposed to be an attorney, and yet he doesn't understand that the Constitutional guarantees provided to the accused in our country do not apply to enemy combatants. Either that, or he just thinks it would be really "gracious" of us if we did. Either way, it's a huge mistake.

Even worse, we are likely to release these guys before the other side (AQ et al.) actually gives up. I'm sorry, but that's just brainless.

372 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:34:30pm

re: #356 DistantThunder

You will be assigned re-education camp "Free thought."

and they will be assigned to the businees end of my Stoeger....I dont care

373 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:34:40pm

re: #340 DistantThunder

He had zero earmarks to his name for ARizona - he believed adamantly in reduced federal spending. He wanted each child to have a $5000 tax credit. Minus immigration, and campaign laws stuff, he would have been OK.

One of his more criticized plans was to allow $5600 tax credit for health care premiums, and to allow shopping "out of state".

I thought that was a good idea.

374 Big Boots that's BOOTS  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:34:43pm

Can we guarantee that they're not going to try to participate in another attack? No," Obama said. "But what I can guarantee is that if we don't uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda."

pick & choose which part of the constitution is perfect or not perfect enough for you already...

375 Catttt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:34:44pm

re: #354 redstateredneck

Where the hell's Robert Reich when you need him.

Oh, that was loooooow. Low. Get it? :D

376 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:34:48pm

re: #330 Van Helsing

Wish I could ding that up twice.
People need to be reminded that criminals don't care what the laws are.
Laws restricting your right (or obligation, from my POV) to self-defense give the criminal the upper hand.

And for some silly reason nut-jobs with guns who just want to shoot people don't seem to target police stations, gun ranges, NRA offices. They seem to want to stick to schools and shopping malls with gun-free zones. I know I'll figure this out soon ....

377 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:35:14pm

re: #353 Kenneth

We are still allowed to own them, but you are not allowed to have them.

Huh? By "have them", you mean, carry them?

378 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:35:25pm

re: #354 redstateredneck

Where the hell's Robert Reich when you need him.

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Have they had Kos audition yet?

You guys are killin' me. I still have a Super Bowl 'hangover'. Where are those ibu's Charles?

379 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:35:26pm

re: #352 Harry Tuttle

McCain Feingold didn't give the WH to Obama. McCain's asinine economic policy and siding with huge government did - when combined with his open borders/amnesty push. He went against the GOP all too often, and McCain Feingold, for all of its warts (and I've cataloged 'em, including its undermining of our most precious right - free speech under the 1st Amendment), didn't cause McCain to lose. Obama chose to not accept federal funds, and therefore chose to raise how much he wanted. McCain Feingold had nothing to do with McCain opting to spend under it instead of going outside federal funding. It let him campaign without having to raise money (and still came up short).

Of course, no one bothered to see where all that money was coming from, who was bundling it, and to what end it was spent. Obama spent $750 million to win the election. Most ever. And he's about to extend that spending agenda to the federal government.

380 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:35:26pm

re: #352 Harry Tuttle

McCain-Feingold didn't give O the presidency. O's breaking his promise to only accept public campaign funds did that.

For all the ill that McCain has done by being the poster boy for RINOs, it doesn't come even close to the damage O has done and will do with his Socialist and Anti-America agenda.

381 redheadredstate  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:35:38pm

re: #361 Spenser (with an S)

So, I was buying beer at the store yesterday and I one of the women's magazines had the headline "Secrets of a Whitehouse Mom" and I thought "Cool, they let Laura write an open letter to Michelle like her girls did for the Obama girls".

Nope. Closer examination revealed an article by MICHELLE OBAMA! What, 2 weeks in and she has these great Secrets to share with us?! Unreal.

If the MSM were any more in bed with these libtards it would be x-rated. I've come to the conclusion that they don't even want to hide their bias because they know that about half of this country will buy their rags and watch their programs. They don't care about the other half at all.

382 LauraO  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:35:54pm

I just watched Obama's press secretary speaking (I don't even care to know his name, I don't think he will last), anyway, I can't stand listening to him! He says "um" more than his boss. I think that it is done on purpose so that it is impossible to follow what he is saying! That's all for now, I just needed to vent.

383 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:36:01pm

re: #360 JacksonTn

Obama won because he is Black ...period. Call me racist if you want ...I do not care ...a white guy with his lack of qualifications would NEVER have even been in the running ...

You're right, but then I'm a redstateredneckracistbitchfromhell

384 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:36:19pm

re: #357 Harry Tuttle

Follow the parent comment Jack.

I have been. You are wrong. Calm the fuck down.

385 wordsworth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:36:19pm

Obama thinks people will join Al Qaeda based on the rallying cry that the US doesn't support it's own Constitution?

bwahhahahha.

Does he also foresee a day when someone goes "I can't fly a plane into their biggest buildings, because these people, they honor their own governments Constitution" ?

386 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:36:33pm

re: #333 Harry Tuttle

What do you lot love the guy then? McCain is most of the reason Obama got the fucking job.

Screw him. And screw you as well.

Politics has and will always be about voting for the smartest idiot. This past election McCain was the smartest idiot.

There is no way in hell he would have been worse than Obama.

387 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:36:34pm

re: #303 bulwrk

I hear the Mastiff is making a big comeback after nearly becoming a lost breed.

Yes, seen some - but they're definitely not made for small city apartments.

The Maremma Sheepdog lives with the flock - and they do have wolves in the Abruzzi mountains still, those dogs know what to do.
The other is the Kangal ir Karabsh Dog he's from Turkey, and its a breed wolves don't mess about with either.

Not for flats, and not a cuddly toy!

388 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:36:38pm

re: #376 eschew_obfuscation

And for some silly reason nut-jobs with guns who just want to shoot people don't seem to target police stations, gun ranges, NRA offices. They seem to want to stick to schools and shopping malls with gun-free zones. I know I'll figure this out soon ....

Keep working on that...
It took me years of research to figger it out. You'll be a better person when you come to a conclusion. ;-)

389 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:36:47pm

re: #363 DeafDog

Robert Reich

GMTA!
He's the perfect height.

390 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:36:53pm

re: #374 Big Boots that's BOOTS

Can we guarantee that they're not going to try to participate in another attack? No," Obama said. "But what I can guarantee is that if we don't uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda."

Idiot wind.

391 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:36:59pm

re: #313 Honorary Yooper

No, but I bet our Mayor would love to do that.

392 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:37:19pm

re: #315 Kenneth

Thanks!

393 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:37:22pm

re: #360 JacksonTn

Obama won because he is Black ...period. Call me racist if you want ...I do not care ...a white guy with his lack of qualifications would NEVER have even been in the running ...

Look at what happened to that white WOMAN that ran against O. And she had more qualifications.

394 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:37:28pm

re: #376 eschew_obfuscation

Oh. Subways. Never forget the subways.

395 Spenser (with an S)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:37:56pm

re: #381 redheadredstate


If the MSM were any more in bed with these libtards it would be x-rated.

Heh.

396 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:37:58pm

re: #371 coloradobuff

What's scary is that our President is supposed to be an attorney, and yet he doesn't understand that the Constitutional guarantees provided to the accused in our country do not apply to enemy combatants. Either that, or he just thinks it would be really "gracious" of us if we did. Either way, it's a huge mistake.

Even worse, we are likely to release these guys before the other side (AQ et al.) actually gives up. I'm sorry, but that's just brainless.

Here we go again with the hyperbole. He does understand, he is a socialist, with a defined direction that he wants to take this country, and as long as you go along thinking he "doesn't understand" and let that little confusion bother your train of thought, he will be rolling merrily along putting his plan into effect.

397 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:37:59pm

re: #382 LauraO

I just watched Obama's press secretary speaking (I don't even care to know his name, I don't think he will last), anyway, I can't stand listening to him! He says "um" more than his boss. I think that it is done on purpose so that it is impossible to follow what he is saying! That's all for now, I just needed to vent.

Maybe it isn't "um", but rather "om"... they're trying to promote a more "zen" country.

(Just trying to look on the bright side here)

398 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:38:03pm

re: #375 Catttt

Oh, that was loooooow. Low. Get it? :D

loooooow - got it.

399 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:38:22pm
“Can we guarantee that they’re not going to try to participate in another attack? No,” Obama said. “But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe...”

Obama, you SonOfaBitch! Uphold our Values? FockYou! You've demonstrated these past days alone, you have no values. Just looking at your relationships with Ayer's & Wright prove such. FockYou!

400 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:38:32pm

re: #380 FurryOldGuyJeans

McCain-Feingold didn't give O the presidency. O's breaking his promise to only accept public campaign funds did that.

For all the ill that McCain has done by being the poster boy for RINOs, it doesn't come even close to the damage O has done and will do with his Socialist and Anti-America agenda.

O breaking his promise or McCain being too stupid to see it coming?

6 of 1...

And I don't think McLame is stupid.

Man you people sure like to jump all over anyone who doesn't drink the koolaid just like you all like it.

And Mandy can spin on it.

401 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:38:37pm

re: #370 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, I understand this time your "tongue in cheek" compliment.

Honestly, disagreement has become meaningless sound bites. To make a point, you state an opposite opinion, you have to do it with something that will "sell" something, that will attract and audience, that will fit into a format of 12 minute segments, or 300 word editorial.

This is a same process that Orwell pointed out in the book "1984." The process of diminishing language down to the point that a opposite opinion, an unorthodox thought, could not be stated. could not be held in the mind, because the method of communication doesn't support that complexity anymore.

Just watch it, before you know it, it will not be possible to make any point that is "hurtful" or diminishes another person.

And then the language will be "pure."


I have very few posts on my "favorites" list. Welcome my elite selection list.

402 Gella  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:38:37pm

re: #393 FurryOldGuyJeans

Look at what happened to that white WOMAN that ran against O. And she had more qualifications.

its easier to ignore a women then black community, + he bought his presidency

403 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:38:42pm
But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe.

I question if he even knows what the hell he's talking about concerning our Constitution considering some of the highly ignorant things he's said about it.

404 Bear  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:38:58pm

Speaking of bumper stickers, I saw "Obama Sucks" on a truck the other day.

405 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:39:04pm

re: #393 FurryOldGuyJeans

Look at what happened to that white WOMAN that ran against O. And she had more qualifications.

1. White guilt
2. Affirmative action
3. Racism

W.A.R. got him elected.

406 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:39:08pm

re: #361 Spenser (with an S)

So, I was buying beer at the store yesterday and I one of the women's magazines had the headline "Secrets of a Whitehouse Mom" and I thought "Cool, they let Laura write an open letter to Michelle like her girls did for the Obama girls".

Nope. Closer examination revealed an article by MICHELLE OBAMA! What, 2 weeks in and she has these great Secrets to share with us?! Unreal.

What you do is pick up another magazine and thumb through it. Then, you replace in front of that US magazine. Yes, it's petty but, I got a kick out of doing it at Wal*Mart the other day.

407 maddogg  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:39:40pm

Free the terrorists, ban the guns! Thats the ticket to socialist safety and piece of mind!

/if they only had a brain.....

408 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:39:45pm

re: #386 Racer X

Politics has and will always be about voting for the smartest idiot. This past election McCain was the smartest idiot.

There is no way in hell he would have been worse than Obama.

At the very least, I was sure McCain cared about the country. I am not so certain about Obama.

It's been a perfectly rotten week and 6 days.

409 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:39:50pm

re: #406 MandyManners

What you do is pick up another magazine and thumb through it. Then, you replace in front of that US magazine. Yes, it's petty but, I got a kick out of doing it at Wal*Mart the other day.

Pettiness has its place; when dealing with the small, it's the only way to go.

410 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:39:56pm

Obama, And when they attack again, and they will. We'll be pointing millions of fingers right at you. FockYou!

411 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:39:57pm

re: #390 jaunte

Idiot wind.

it a wonder you can even feed yourself

412 Sharmuta  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:04pm
And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.

The KORAN is the only organizational tool al-qaeda needs!

413 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:07pm

re: #371 coloradobuff

What's scary is that our President is supposed to be an attorney, and yet he doesn't understand that the Constitutional guarantees provided to the accused in our country do not apply to enemy combatants. Either that, or he just thinks it would be really "gracious" of us if we did. Either way, it's a huge mistake.

Even worse, we are likely to release these guys before the other side (AQ et al.) actually gives up. I'm sorry, but that's just brainless.

He knows exactly what he's doing.

414 Catttt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:09pm

re: #298 Occasional Reader

How about "Don't blame me... I voted for Kodos"?

I have a feeling that doesn't refer Kodos the Executioner, which shows that I am in a time warp. I googled it, because of the above-mentioned feeling, and found out there is also a Kodos on a current TV show, which I don't watch (current TV).

415 jaunte  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:15pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

Speaking of which, I sent you a pdf.

416 yma o hyd  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:21pm

re: #361 Spenser (with an S)

So, I was buying beer at the store yesterday and I one of the women's magazines had the headline "Secrets of a Whitehouse Mom" and I thought "Cool, they let Laura write an open letter to Michelle like her girls did for the Obama girls".

Nope. Closer examination revealed an article by MICHELLE OBAMA! What, 2 weeks in and she has these great Secrets to share with us?! Unreal.

Gotta earn some pin money for all those curtains clothes ...

417 llanite  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:26pm

May I recommend Guns And Ammo?

re: #406 MandyManners

What you do is pick up another magazine and thumb through it. Then, you replace in front of that US magazine. Yes, it's petty but, I got a kick out of doing it at Wal*Mart the other day.

418 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:29pm

re: #321 Occasional Reader

No, you can own a gun but you can't carry them, and you have to register them-we have a $5 Billion gun registry courtesy of the federal Liberals. Unfortunately, the drug gangs and Jamaican crack dealers neglected to register their illegal weapons.

The City of Toronto has made it impossible for people who have legally registered guns to use them for sport at facilities owned by the City of Toronto. There were several recreational gun clubs in places owned by the city...no more.

419 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:30pm

re: #401 jwb7605

I have very few posts on my "favorites" list. Welcome my elite selection list.

Thanks. I glad I don't drink anymore or else that sort of "depressant" could cause me to want to sit here and snuff myself. At least I have the right frame of mind to rant about this.

420 Dustyvet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:47pm

HOW TO MAKE A HAMAS HERO ?


Youtube Video
421 Elcid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #393 FurryOldGuyJeans

Look at what happened to that white WOMAN that ran against O. And she had more qualifications.

Agree....and That "white Woman" by now would have had Trident's positioned and posed to launch 18 tubes EACH, at Persia and Pakistan.

422 buzzdroid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:51pm

"And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

the Spanish did have have Gitmo. they got the Madrid bombings.

London did not have Gitmo. We got 7/7

Bombaby did not have Gitmo - they got the Mumbai massacre.

BESLAN SCHOOLCHILDREN DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH GITMO - they got murdered and blown to pieces...

hey obama - stop being a dumb schmuck. the ONLY thing that influences Al Qaeda and Islamists is ONE FUCKING BOOK - its called the KORAN.

jeez.

well folks, hope you enjoy the Peoples Republic of America.

wake me up when its over.

423 accidentwaitingtohappen  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:56pm

To quote Rush Limbaugh, "Your laws and values make no difference when you assume room temperature."

424 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:40:59pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

I question if he even knows what the hell he's talking about concerning our Constitution considering some of the highly ignorant things he's said about it.

You're intelligent and informed.
Why do you question it?

these maroons don't understand the proper application of the Geneva Conventions, let alone the US Constitution.

425 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:41:03pm

re: #404 Bear

Speaking of bumper stickers, I saw "Obama Sucks" on a truck the other day.

I have a desire to tape a "D" over all of the "H's" in the "Hope" bumper stickers I see everday

426 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:41:04pm

re: #408 Dianna

At the very least, I was sure McCain cared about the country. I am not so certain about Obama.

It's been a perfectly rotten week and 6 days.

That said, I am sure that Michelle is finally proud of her country.

427 CapeCoddah  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:41:11pm

God, can Obama possibly be as stupid and uninformed as he sounds? Does he not care even what happens to HIS children?

428 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:41:22pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

Here we go again with the hyperbole. He does understand, he is a socialist, with a defined direction that he wants to take this country, and as long as you go along thinking he "doesn't understand" and let that little confusion bother your train of thought, he will be rolling merrily along putting his plan into effect.

I do believe you're right. In addition to your points, IIRC at one point in the campaign, didn't he say things like "the Constitution is a living document" or "the Constitution is flawed in certain areas"? With that agenda, and those opinions of the Constitution.....well, not a pleasant thought.

429 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:41:40pm

re: #384 NYCHardhat

I have been. You are wrong. Calm the fuck down.

What exactly am I wrong about?

430 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:41:47pm

re: #400 Harry Tuttle

O breaking his promise or McCain being too stupid to see it coming?

6 of 1...

And I don't think McLame is stupid.

Man you people sure like to jump all over anyone who doesn't drink the koolaid just like you all like it.

And Mandy can spin on it.

Obama being an awful POTUS in his first two weeks is not anything we couldn't figure out. No one is drinking kool-aid at lgf. Only the 52% of the cattle that voted for this putrid mess.

431 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:41:49pm

re: #400 Harry Tuttle

O breaking his promise or McCain being too stupid to see it coming?

6 of 1...

And I don't think McLame is stupid.

Man you people sure like to jump all over anyone who doesn't drink the koolaid just like you all like it.

And Mandy can spin on it.

Hive Mind! Hive Mind!

/

432 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:41:57pm

re: #427 CapeCoddah

Yes he can be that stupid. And remember children are "punishments".

433 buzzdroid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:02pm

re: #410 unrealizedviewpoint

Obama, And when they attack again, and they will. We'll be pointing millions of fingers right at you. FockYou!

too late. he'll have the blood of millions of Americans on his hands.

are you willing to wait for the jihad to arrive with a nuke to an American city?

all obama is doing to stop that is play nicey nicey...

434 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:17pm

re: #417 llanite

May I recommend Guns And Ammo?

It's not kept at the register but, I can see going out of my way to pick up a copy before I get in line.

Thanks for the idea!

435 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:17pm

re: #370 Walter L. Newton

Are you the one that constantly rails against using "1984" when discussing things?

Too bad that the words published in 1948 started becoming reality in late 2008.

436 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:18pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

I question if he even knows what the hell he's talking about concerning our Constitution considering some of the highly ignorant things he's said about it.

dont let Walter hear you say that....

437 Irenike  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:33pm

Obama cares more about abstract principles than about the potential loss of innocent lives. He muses about how we have to "uphold our Constitution and values." He doesn't explain how letting bloodthirsty murderers loose achieves this goal. Earth to Barry: This is not some abstract philosophical discussion in a Constitutional law class. This is real life, real threats, real potential for widespread human suffering.

And when some of these Gitmo monsters do their thing again, odds are very good that Obama won't be personally hit by one of them. He sits in the White House, protected by some of the best security in the world, and effectively condemns other innocent saps to the death sentence these murderers are itching to carry out.

In other words, he does not have to be held personally responsible for his decision. The Left never is. They release the worst criminals back into society, in the name of "reform," and they never admit how wrong they've been.

In the magical world of the Left, facts don't matter. Reality doesn't matter. The only things that matter are how passionately you try to impose your utopian vision on others, and how good you feel about yourself.

438 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:48pm

re: #422 buzzdroid

"And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”

the Spanish did have have Gitmo. they got the Madrid bombings.

London did not have Gitmo. We got 7/7

Bombaby did not have Gitmo - they got the Mumbai massacre.

BESLAN SCHOOLCHILDREN DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH GITMO - they got murdered and blown to pieces...


Don't forget - we didn't have Gitmo & got 9/11.

439 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:49pm

re: #427 CapeCoddah

God, can Obama possibly be as stupid and uninformed as he sounds? Does he not care even what happens to HIS children?

Maybe he thinks his aura will protect them.

/

440 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:51pm

re: #423 accidentwaitingtohappen

To quote Rush Limbaugh, "Your laws and values make no difference when you assume room temperature."

Welcome, accident.

441 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:56pm

re: #427 CapeCoddah

God, can Obama possibly be as stupid and uninformed as he sounds? Does he not care even what happens to HIS children?

Oh, but the rules don't apply to him and his family.

442 UFO TOFU  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:58pm

re: #383 redstateredneck

You're right, but then I'm a redstateredneckracistbitchfromhell

That one needs to go in your bio!

443 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:42:59pm

re: #371 coloradobuff

our President is supposed to be an attorney

He is also supposed to be an academic and community organizer. He has exactly ZERO peer-reviewed articles to his credit. ZERO.

444 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:43:04pm

re: #407 maddogg

Free the terrorists, ban the guns! Thats the ticket to socialist safety and piece of mind!

/if they only had a brain.....

One of my favorite songs.
It's good to be the Wizard...

445 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:43:05pm

re: #418 WriterMom

No, you can own a gun but you can't carry them, and you have to register them-we have a $5 Billion gun registry courtesy of the federal Liberals. Unfortunately, the drug gangs and Jamaican crack dealers neglected to register their illegal weapons.

The City of Toronto has made it impossible for people who have legally registered guns to use them for sport at facilities owned by the City of Toronto. There were several recreational gun clubs in places owned by the city...no more.

Wait a minute... so even if you have legal, registered gun, you can't even legally transport it to any place to practice with it?!

That's even worse than DC. Wow.

Okay, I'm passing on that Assistant Rink-Hoser job, I'm afraid.

446 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:43:49pm

re: #377 Occasional Reader

Federal law governs hand gun ownership. The city licenses gun clubs and ranges. So while it is still legal to own a gun, you are not allowed to use it anywhere in the city. The mayor of Toronto is campaigning to have the federal gov't ban all legal handguns.

Did I mention that of the 62 murders in Toronto committed with guns in 2008, only 2 of them involved licensed gun owners & their legally owned guns?

Did I also mention, that Toronto has a very low homicide rate? The 3 northern territories, and Saskatchewan and Manitoba have much higher homicide rates.

447 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:43:55pm

re: #405 NYCHardhat

1. White guilt
2. Affirmative action
3. Racism

W.A.R. got him elected.

W.A.R.
ooh good god y'all
what is good for?
absolutely nuthin

448 NYCHardhat  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:43:56pm

re: #429 Harry Tuttle

What exactly am I wrong about?

THAT MCCAIN WOULD BE JUST AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THAN THIS DINGBAT.

449 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:44:05pm

re: #400 Harry Tuttle

So now no one can have even the slightest disagreement with what you say? How very Daily Kos of you.

450 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:44:08pm

Meanwhile, former CIA Director James Woolsey's warnings about Iran getting nukes will fall on deaf ears.

451 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:44:18pm

re: #438 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Don't forget - we didn't have Gitmo & got 9/11.

Yeah, but we were THINKING about it; proof is we opened it up later. See, we got preemptively attacked in anticipation of our vile and evil response to the attack. Sort of like "two for flinching," but with a time machine.

452 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #425 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I have a desire to tape a "D" over all of the "H's" in the "Hope" bumper stickers I see everday

HA!

I guess we're the ones who get to do "guerrilla art" (which people in Squaresville call "vandalism") now, right?

453 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:44:22pm

re: #433 buzzdroid

too late. he'll have the blood of millions of Americans on his hands.

are you willing to wait for the jihad to arrive with a nuke to an American city?

all obama is doing to stop that is play nicey nicey...

..and somehow, someway, it'll all be republican's fault.
I'm gonna blow a gasket, I'm outta here.

454 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:44:27pm

re: #427 CapeCoddah

God, can Obama possibly be as stupid and uninformed as he sounds? Does he not care even what happens to HIS children?

Unlike the rest of you, he's got the Secret Service, who will die to the last man and woman for his daughters.

455 dhg4  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:44:28pm

re: #6 wily

Wow. They don't hate us because we're infidels, they hate us because of our inability to live by our constitution--a document Al Qaeda has tremendous respect for. Who would have known?

Yes, no doubt one of their top recruiting tools is a moot court where potential jihadis investigate the constitutionality of different terror fighting techniques. Those deemed insufficiently constitutional are held up as an example of the impurity of American society. At the end of the session those sufficiently outraged at the American abuse of constitutional process are taught the finer points of bomb making and mayhem causing in order to register their disapproval of America's straying from its ideals.

456 redheadredstate  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:44:45pm

re: #386 Racer X

Politics has and will always be about voting for the smartest idiot. This past election McCain was the smartest idiot.

There is no way in hell he would have been worse than Obama.

Damn I wish I'd written that. Love the smartest idiot line!

457 buzzdroid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:44:52pm

re: #438 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Don't forget - we didn't have Gitmo & got 9/11.

my apologies.

didnt mean for it to come across that way.

thoughts and prayers are always with America and the victims of 9/11

of course -you are 100 per cent right.

458 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:44:54pm

re: #445 Occasional Reader

The jobs of Personal Chef, Personal Trainer and Personal Chauffeur are still available.

459 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:45:06pm

re: #427 CapeCoddah

God, can Obama possibly be as stupid and uninformed as he sounds? Does he not care even what happens to HIS children?

His children will be safe thanks to the USSS.

460 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:45:27pm

re: #446 Kenneth

So while it is still legal to own a gun, you are not allowed to use it anywhere in the city.

Can you legally transport it in your car, unloaded, to a shooting range outside of the city?

461 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:45:31pm

re: #448 NYCHardhat

THAT MCCAIN WOULD BE JUST AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THAN THIS DINGBAT.

That's not what I said.

462 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:45:48pm

re: #429 Harry Tuttle

What exactly am I wrong about?

Ok, do me a favor. Give us a little list of what decisions that you think McCain would possibly make if he was elected president. For you to make your original state, you must have some things in mind, because I don't think you would have said that without having staked out you position. So, give some examples of what McCain may have down that would have been worst than what we have seen Obama do so far.

463 solomonpanting  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:45:53pm

re: #223 Opinionated

Oh god. I just realized that our President is using the BS PC language.

Even what he calls the hard core, they are not terrorists, they are just militants.

No surprise there. It goes hand-in-hand with Change.

464 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:46:07pm

re: #460 Occasional Reader

I believe so.

465 THX-42  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:46:09pm

"“But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe."

Apparently Obama's advisers neglected to advise him that if he lets out these juhadists, then RIGHT NOW that will make us less safe. Oh wait...maybe they did.

466 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:46:28pm

re: #446 Kenneth

Did I also mention, that Toronto has a very low homicide rate?

See? The gun laws are working!

/

467 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:46:29pm

re: #449 FurryOldGuyJeans

So now no one can have even the slightest disagreement with what you say? How very Daily Kos of you.

And when did I say that either?

What a freaking waste of time.

468 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:46:50pm

re: #403 Sharmuta

I question if he even knows what the hell he's talking about concerning our Constitution considering some of the highly ignorant things he's said about it.

He knows what he wants to do regardless of what the Constitution does or does not say. Obama has learned from the Chicago Machine and Chicago-style politics that the rules do not matter. Laws don't matter. It's what one does and how one sells it that matters.

Look no further than our recently tossed out governor for some of this. Blago was an Obama ally, and just did without the concent of even the General Assembly. Look at Daley and his treatment of Meigs Field. Midnight bulldozers and Xs across the runway. Look at the behind the scenes action that brought Cook County Todd Stroger as county board president. I can name a lot more, but this is what we should expect from Obama, and no less.

469 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:46:53pm

re: #405 NYCHardhat

1. White guilt
2. Affirmative action
3. Racism

W.A.R. got him elected.

I think "Harry Tuttle" got it fairly close.
McCain was hoisted on his own petard (campaign finance reform), because he was basically "boxed in", and money (plus the slobbering media) got his opponent elected.

People who did not do research on Obama's background honestly still do not know what they were voting for. The "Jeremiah Wright" fiasco was a false-flag operation. The part that was ignored, and the important issue, starts with Bill Ayers and includes Saul Alinsky.

The problem with Bill Ayers, though, is that understanding the topic requires some research and some knowledge of history, and what people like Alinsky were actually up to. That sort of thing is no longer taught in college or high school, largely due to the efforts of the mentioned individuals.

470 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:47:12pm

re: #448 NYCHardhat

THAT MCCAIN WOULD BE JUST AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THAN THIS DINGBAT.

it's just an opinion...who knows for sure, it's all subjective

471 buzzdroid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:47:18pm

re: #437 Irenike

Obama cares more about abstract principles than about the potential loss of innocent lives. He muses about how we have to "uphold our Constitution and values." He doesn't explain how letting bloodthirsty murderers loose achieves this goal. Earth to Barry: This is not some abstract philosophical discussion in a Constitutional law class. This is real life, real threats, real potential for widespread human suffering.

And when some of these Gitmo monsters do their thing again, odds are very good that Obama won't be personally hit by one of them. He sits in the White House, protected by some of the best security in the world, and effectively condemns other innocent saps to the death sentence these murderers are itching to carry out.

In other words, he does not have to be held personally responsible for his decision. The Left never is. They release the worst criminals back into society, in the name of "reform," and they never admit how wrong they've been.

In the magical world of the Left, facts don't matter. Reality doesn't matter. The only things that matter are how passionately you try to impose your utopian vision on others, and how good you feel about yourself.

this is all going to end in tears.


obama has barely started his presidency and already i'm scared for the future of America.

and i'm not even an American. you guys hang in there - the world needs you..

472 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:47:33pm

re: #464 WriterMom

I believe so.

In that case, you're merely as bad as DC. (Fortunately, it's relatively easy to find a shooting range in the moderately-near suburbs.)

473 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:47:42pm

re: #461 Harry Tuttle

That's not what I said.

#270 Harry Tuttle

To be honest McCain might have been worse. Who knows.

474 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:47:46pm

re: #457 buzzdroid

No need to apologize - no offense taken.

475 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:48:15pm

re: #418 WriterMom

the drug gangs and Jamaican crack dealers neglected to register their illegal weapons.

You racist you! Don't you know you're not allowed to mention the one ethnicity involved in 50% of all homicides in Toronto? Shhhhh... now go wash your mouth out with politically correct disinfectant.

476 Racer X  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:48:27pm

re: #462 Walter L. Newton

Ok, do me a favor. Give us a little list of what decisions that you think McCain would possibly make if he was elected president. For you to make your original state, you must have some things in mind, because I don't think you would have said that without having staked out you position. So, give some examples of what McCain may have down that would have been worst than what we have seen Obama do so far.

Objection!

Hypothetical, conjecture, irrelevant.

/your honor.

477 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:48:33pm

I'm outta' here.

478 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:48:36pm

re: #354 redstateredneck

Where the hell's Robert Reich when you need him.


LOL!

479 Pianobuff  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:49:11pm

re: #331 Honorary Yooper

Even Hillary Clinton being worse has the odds stacked against it.

BHO has the potential to be the a worste president sincethan Carter.

That looks about right, now.

480 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:49:23pm

re: #454 Dianna

Unlike the rest of you, he's got the Secret Service, who will die to the last man and woman for his daughters.

it's just another job beneath his pay grade...no big deal

481 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:49:30pm

re: #460 Occasional Reader

I think so.

482 buzzdroid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:49:41pm

re: #474 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

No need to apologize - no offense taken.

thank you.

your point on Gitmo not existing and yet you guys got 9/11 is VERY powerful...

it should be said more often.

483 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:49:56pm

re: #442 UFO TOFU

That one needs to go in your bio!

I'm about out of room!

484 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:50:30pm

re: #475 Kenneth

You racist you! Don't you know you're not allowed to mention the one ethnicity involved in 50% of all homicides in Toronto? Shhhhh... now go wash your mouth out with politically correct disinfectant.

I thought it was all the former Soviet bloc types who came to Canada, dreaming of playing hockey for the NHL, only to find themselves reduced to a life of crime thanks to the inherent racism of the system!
/

485 joncelli  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:51:03pm

re: #297 WriterMom

My alma mater Virginia Tech was a "gun-free zone" and it just made it easier to massacre students in their classrooms.

486 redstateredneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:51:12pm

re: #447 albusteve

W.A.R.
ooh good god y'all
what is good for?
absolutely nuthin

say it again.

487 Bloodnok  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:51:32pm

re: #400 Harry Tuttle

O breaking his promise or McCain being too stupid to see it coming?

6 of 1...

And I don't think McLame is stupid.

Man you people sure like to jump all over anyone who doesn't drink the koolaid just like you all like it.

And Mandy can spin on it.


No, I'll "jump on you" for your #333 and this previous post which personally insults someone for whom I have respect and insults the rest of us as well. You know it is possible to be disagreed with here without resorting to the "kool aid" argument. I'm not sure what you were expecting.

488 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:51:41pm

re: #428 subsailor68

I do believe you're right. In addition to your points, IIRC at one point in the campaign, didn't he say things like "the Constitution is a living document" or "the Constitution is flawed in certain areas"? With that agenda, and those opinions of the Constitution.....well, not a pleasant thought.

Obama is barely a an attorney. He is an egg head lecturer. Lots and lots of judges and practicing lawyers are what are called Legal Formalists. Lots of egg head, ivory tower types that teach law, like Obama, prescribe to a doctrine of interpretation called Legal Realism.

I suggest anyone who thinks that Obama doesn't know the Constitution look up those two terms and what they actually mean in reference to interpreting law.

489 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:52:14pm

HEY HARRY... answer my question please...

Ok, do me a favor. Give us a little list of what decisions that you think McCain would possibly make if he was elected president. For you to make your original state, you must have some things in mind, because I don't think you would have said that without having staked out you position. So, give some examples of what McCain may have down that would have been worst than what we have seen Obama do so far.

490 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:52:26pm

re: #485 joncelli

My alma mater Virginia Tech was a "gun-free zone" and it just made it easier to massacre students in their classrooms.

Every place is a "gun free zone," until someone with a gun & ill intent decides it isn't.

491 charles_martel  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:52:30pm

I watch the Daily Show most nights. What's been really burning me is that when Bush was president, the Gitmo detainees were "innocent people being denied their rights". Now that Obama is president, they are "dangerous criminals." It must be tough being a liberal, constantly living with denial and cognitive dissonance....

492 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:52:31pm

re: #399 unrealizedviewpoint

Obama, you SonOfaBitch! Uphold our Values? FockYou! You've demonstrated these past days alone, you have no values. Just looking at your relationships with Ayer's & Wright prove such. FockYou!

He had no values when he very publicly promised to only accept public campaign funds, and then reneged. On the campaign trail he promised he would release the Gitmo detainees, yet again he breaks that promise when it will benefit his reelection.

493 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:52:31pm

re: #475 Kenneth

Shut up, whitey.

494 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:52:52pm

re: #473 MandyManners

#270 Harry Tuttle

To be honest McCain might have been worse. Who knows.

I didn't say he would have been worse, I said he might have been.

I stand by that, and it to be honest it all remains to be seen. Obama only just got started. Lets wait and see how many deals go to the dems because McCain jump ship.

It really doesn't matter at this point anyway.

Anymore of your awesome logic, wit and intellect to throw in here?

495 WriterMom  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:53:01pm

re: #485 joncelli

Good thing an elderly Holocaust survivor had some balls there, even if he didn't have a gun.

496 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:53:42pm

re: #493 WriterMom

Ball bustin' bitch!

497 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:53:47pm

re: #447 albusteve

W.A.R.
ooh good god y'all
what is good for?
absolutely nuthin

I wonder if Edwin Starr realized that, as a Black American, if it weren't for the Civil War, he might have had a hard time getting his recording career off the ground.

498 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:53:57pm

re: #490 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Every place is a "gun free zone," until someone with a gun & ill intent decides it isn't.

It's as absurd as a "nuclear free zone", and for the same reasons.

499 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:54:00pm

re: #494 Harry Tuttle

I didn't say he would have been worse, I said he might have been.

I stand by that, and it to be honest it all remains to be seen. Obama only just got started. Lets wait and see how many deals go to the dems because McCain jump ship.

It really doesn't matter at this point anyway.

Anymore of your awesome logic, wit and intellect to throw in here?

Ok, do me a favor. Give us a little list of what decisions that you think McCain would possibly make if he was elected president, you know, what you think "might have been." For you to make your original statement, you must have some things in mind, because I don't think you would have said that without having staked out your position. So, give some examples of what McCain may have down that would have been worst than what we have seen Obama do so far.

500 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:54:15pm

re: #495 WriterMom

Good thing an elderly Holocaust survivor had some balls there, even if he didn't have a gun.

Okay, reminding me of him brought tears to my eyes.

501 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:54:27pm

re: #490 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Every place is a "gun free zone," until someone with a gun & ill intent decides it isn't.

Clearly we need to put up more and bigger "Gun Free Zone" signs!

502 Optimizer  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:54:46pm

1) I'd say the applicable part of the Constitution is in Article II, Section 2: "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States ...". Call me crazy, but I think that means he's supposed to protect the country from hostile forces.

2) The idea that if members of Al Qaida are captured on the battlefield, that we will later simply release them, is supposed to be a deterrent to them? I'm sure they're getting a chuckle from that one in the wilds of western Pakistan!

3) So here's the whacked out rationale: Terrorists are hostile to us because we have done evil things to them (like throw them in jail for years without a trial). So if we stop doing that sort of thing, they'll leave us alone - and we'll be pals!
Now, we on LGF all know that the main problem is that the US represents a shining contrast to how utterly dysfunctional and barbaric fundamentalist Islam is. How does a Moonbat manage to miss this very obvious fact? Easy! They are in total denial that the US is an incredible success story. It is not what they want it to be, and so they consider it a miserable failure (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary)! Since they consider all other cultures to be better than our "miserable failure", they cannot even entertain the idea that the threat we represent to other cultures is that we are so much more successful. They look terrible in comparison, they're envious, and they run the risk of losing supporters - who want to adopt our ways, and be successful themselves. Kinda the same problem socialists have.

503 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:55:08pm

re: #501 Occasional Reader

Clearly we need to put up more and bigger "Gun Free Zone" signs!

Yeah, especially in places that aren't!

;-)

504 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:55:20pm

re: #498 Honorary Yooper

It's as absurd as a "nuclear free zone", and for the same reasons.

The local Unitarian Church recently took down its "Nuclear Free Zone" sign. Should I be worried?

505 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:55:20pm

re: #489 Walter L. Newton

HEY HARRY... answer my question please...

Ok, do me a favor. Give us a little list of what decisions that you think McCain would possibly make if he was elected president. For you to make your original state, you must have some things in mind, because I don't think you would have said that without having staked out you position. So, give some examples of what McCain may have down that would have been worst than what we have seen Obama do so far.

This isn't worth it Walter, you know I did vote for the guy.

But I don't trust him and the good part of having Obama win is McCain lost.

Yes we are fucked.

506 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:55:44pm

re: #467 Harry Tuttle

Per your #400:

Man you people sure like to jump all over anyone who doesn't drink the koolaid just like you all like it.

So if we don't believe EXACTLY as you do we are koolaid drinkers. Sure sounds Daily Kosish to me.

507 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:56:12pm

re: #505 Harry Tuttle

This isn't worth it Walter, you know I did vote for the guy.

But I don't trust him and the good part of having Obama win is McCain lost.

Yes we are fucked.

You voted for Obama? ...oh, brother ...

508 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:56:47pm

re: #458 WriterMom

The jobs of Personal Chef, Personal Trainer and Personal Chauffeur are still available.

What about "Bodyguard"? I'll carry an "Assault/Kidnapping Free Zone" sign in a shoulder holster.

509 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:56:53pm

re: #507 JacksonTn

You voted for Obama? ...oh, brother ...

RACIST!
/

510 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:57:07pm

re: #501 Occasional Reader

Clearly we need to put up more and bigger "Gun Free Zone" signs!

Been there, done that, Chicago has 'em. And they work so well, Chicago has a murder total that puts every other North American city to shame. Of course, the murders tend to be 80% gang related, and are usually latinos and blacks in said gangs who have illegal guns to begin with, but I digress.

511 jester6  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:57:47pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

I believe you are correct. They have banned all mechanical devices in the wilderness, they keep expanding the designated wilderness and the "roadless area" around it, just one more step to banning people. Right now if you can walk, carrying all your food and equipment, you are allowed in.

Maybe it is pretty obvious to everyone else but I had an epiphany this morning about all these movements. Consider these groups and unlisted groups like them.

anti-hunting
pro-animal-rights
anti-factory-farming
anti-over-population
anti-automobile
anti-DDT
anti-genetically-modified-crops
anti-urban-sprawl
anti-global-warming
anti-big-oil
anti-coal
anti-nuclear
anti-consumerism
anti-capitalism
pro-socialism

It's pretty obvious that the anti-DDT folks are responsible for a few million malaria deaths around the world in the last 40 years. It's also pretty clear that the science they used to build their movement is bogus.

If the anti-genetically-modified-crops people had their way millions would starve next year. Same thing for the anti-factory-farming.

The anti-coal and anti-nuclear crowd doesn't seem to care that my family might freeze to death if all those power plants were shut down.

People like me who see the human cost of those agendas as monstrous bordering on evil. But people who support those agendas do not seem to be bothered at all.

I once thought it was because these people did not understand the consequences of implementing their agenda.

Today I was walking to a few at a coffee shop and realized they actually did understand the ramifications of implementing their agendas.... but they don't care.

If the wolves ate your children they would not simply dismiss the event, they would celebrate it. The common thread through all of their causes is that they are anti-human.

512 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:58:01pm

re: #504 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The local Unitarian Church recently took down its "Nuclear Free Zone" sign. Should I be worried?

Only if Unitarian Universalists start building dirty bombs.

513 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:58:30pm

re: #497 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I wonder if Edwin Starr realized that, as a Black American, if it weren't for the Civil War, he might have had a hard time getting his recording career off the ground.

dont know what he was thinkin....$ probably...

over 100% of Black Viet Nam casualties were Afro-American tho...or whatever it was

514 funky chicken  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:58:46pm

re: #196 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

-And the little darlings in Gitmo would never hurt anyone so let's close America's "konzentrationlager" and restore our "image in the world!" Never mind these detainees are so dangerous that those who clamor for their release nor anyone else wants them. I have a great idea, fly them to air bases in the UK and Germany to release them! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

- They negotiate with Iran, no fallback plan when Iran detonates a bomb in south central Iran later this year. This year is the 30th anniversary of the Islamic revolution, and an election year. Given the long lead time on nukes, you think they might not have planned for this to be a year of "celebration?"

- Never again will I be silent when lefties tell me about "the October Surprise." Obama and half his foreign policy "thinkers" (and use that term loosely) conspired to violate the Logan Act. They talked one President at a time while conducting their own illegal foreign policy. Were I a Republican leader, I would put every single one of these characters on notice that in the event of an Iranian attack, the GOP will move for the impeachment of all involved and their prosecution on manslaughter charges for any and all deaths resulting from the inevitable catastrophe that will come from Obama and his people being so smart about the human nature or Iran's leaders. They jointly agreed to violate US law; the resulting deaths were caused by their criminal recklessness- when you entreat with a dictator intent on attacking us and undermine the current administration's efforts to contain the danger, you are responsible. Maybe OBama will get lucky and the regime will collapse, the greater likelihood is a nuclear Iran and a war in which millions get killed.

- They are already cutting defense budgets and that will embolden our enemies to act against our interests elsewhere. The Navy is going to shrink 30-50% over the next five years. The air force will see the F-22 shot down and take half the air force with it. The Army will also get chopped significantly. Repeat after me: wars follow defense cuts.

Actually, based upon the negotiations with Iran and Syria alone, I think a case could be made to impeach the Obastard right now. Throw in the Daschle and Geithner nominations/confirmations as special sauce of high crimes and misdemeanors.

it won't happen, of course.

Hey, gotta thank those "true conservatives" who sat home by the millions and thus ensured Obama's election. great job guys. really.

515 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 12:58:54pm

re: #510 Honorary Yooper

the murders tend to be 80% gang related, and are usually latinos

I've already identified the problem; you need more "ZONA LIBRE DE ARMAS" signs. (Maybe some in Nahuatl, too.)

516 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:00:23pm

re: #505 Harry Tuttle

This isn't worth it Walter, you know I did vote for the guy.

But I don't trust him and the good part of having Obama win is McCain lost.

Yes we are fucked.

You make statement, yet you are not able to give us any critical reasoning as to the foundation of that statement. Hmmm... at least you're honest, a fool, but an honest fool.

Was that too blunt.

517 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #515 Occasional Reader

I've already identified the problem; you need more "ZONA LIBRE DE ARMAS" signs. (Maybe some in Nahuatl, too.)

Could "ZONA LIBRE DE ARMAS" be translated as "Free Guns Zone?"

518 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:00:44pm

re: #507 JacksonTn

You voted for Obama? ...oh, brother ...

The guy, I meant the guy we are talking about here, McCain.

So what though, do you only allow MCCain voters here?

This is annoying me.

519 funky chicken  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:01:36pm

re: #473 MandyManners

#270 Harry Tuttle

To be honest McCain might have been worse. Who knows.


You cannot be serious. Please tell me that you are not serious.

have you ever studied McCain's voting record on national defense and military issues? have you ever studied his record on what types of people he would nominate to cabinet level positions? Geithner and Daschle would not make the cut.

10% cut in military budget when we are at war? uh, wouldn't have been a McCain policy.

520 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:02:06pm

re: #505 Harry Tuttle

This isn't worth it Walter, you know I did vote for the guy.

But I don't trust him and the good part of having Obama win is McCain lost.

Yes we are fucked.

re: #506 FurryOldGuyJeans

Per your #400:

So if we don't believe EXACTLY as you do we are koolaid drinkers. Sure sounds Daily Kosish to me.

re: #507 JacksonTn

You voted for Obama? ...oh, brother ...


Moby, methinks.
Or a poor imitation.

521 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:02:09pm

re: #517 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Could "ZONA LIBRE DE ARMAS" be translated as "Free Guns Zone?"

Actually, no. Because particularly in Spanish, freedom (libertad) isn't free (gratis).

522 LeePro  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:02:14pm

re: #505 Harry Tuttle

This isn't worth it Walter, you know I did vote for the guy.

But I don't trust him and the good part of having Obama win is McCain lost.

Yes we are fucked.

That makes us the fuckee, and --- guess what --- makes YOU the fuckER

523 capitalist piglet  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:02:16pm

re: #471 buzzdroid

this is all going to end in tears.


obama has barely started his presidency and already i'm scared for the future of America.

and i'm not even an American. you guys hang in there - the world needs you..

Thank you, and I agree - the world needs America. It might be helpful if the world would realize it before it's too late. If we're weak, that's not good news for the rest of the civilized world...but just try convincing a leftist of that.

524 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:02:21pm

re: #518 Harry Tuttle

The guy, I meant the guy we are talking about here, McCain.

So what though, do you only allow MCCain voters here?

This is annoying me.

Harry ..it is not my blog ...so it is not up to me who posts here ...I don't care if it annoys you ...it annoys me that people voted the jerk into the White House ...

525 albusteve  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:02:22pm

re: #508 Occasional Reader

What about "Bodyguard"? I'll carry an "Assault/Kidnapping Free Zone" sign in a shoulder holster.

hahahaha!

526 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:02:32pm

re: #518 Harry Tuttle

The guy, I meant the guy we are talking about here, McCain.

So what though, do you only allow MCCain voters here?

This is annoying me.

Then leave. It's evident you can't back up your statement with anything better than hyperbole, so, why hang around. If you have noticed, most of what happens here is debate, tossing around a topic, intelligent conversation.

Have I lost you yet?

527 buzzdroid  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:03:16pm

this HAS to be one of the most idiotic statements from a U.S. president since Jimmy Carter.

lets pull that last paragraph apart sentence by sentence

“Can we guarantee that they’re not going to try to participate in another attack? No,”

so, in other words, Obama is already breaking his oath. he cannot guarantee that he can protect, defend and preserve the constitution of the United States. i guess he's banking on the "to the best of my ability" to avoid future impeachment proceedings when a Gitmo terrorist nukes New York city.

In short, he is explicitly saying that as president, he cannot guarantee the security and safety of the American people.

If thats not a signal to stock up on guns and ammo i dont know what is.

“But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and ur values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”


so in other words, Obama thinks that islamists actively view the conduct of the United States with regards to the United States adhering to U.S. constitutional law.

If the U.S. is deemed to be breaking its own laws, then the Jihadists will recruit and attack the U.S.

This tells me that the president is scarily deluded - having no frame of reference outside of U.S. society. He cannot even begin to understand the Islamist mindset, let alone the concept of Jihad, the "kuffar" and Islamic conquest.

To being to get an idea of how scarey this is - substitute the word "al qaeda" in the last paragraph for "Nazi Party" , just to see how really gobsmackingly stupid it really is.

And to think that the left spent YEARS calling Bush dumb. Well, compared to this guy, Bush was a PhD rocket scientist.

528 Jim C.  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:03:51pm

One of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".

RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity's very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
529 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:03:57pm

re: #518 Harry Tuttle

Oh, Maisey the Parrot says she doesn't like you either.

530 RightKlik  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:04:14pm

"And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda.”
No, but Obama's craven weakness WILL be a great recruitment tool.

531 kay1212  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:05:24pm

I am always late to the party on LGF, reading threads long after everyone has posted. But I must say today's topics are terrific and express my thanks to Charles for running such a great blog. Frankly, if conservative TV steals Charles' stuff, at least it's been brought to someone's attention that these so called protectors of the world are saying and thinking such garbage.

532 Kenneth  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:05:37pm

re: #503 subsailor68

Yeah, especially in places that aren't!

;-)

Want to hear a good one? Last week there was a shooting at Osgood subway station. Now, Osgood subway station is just down the street from City Hall and the criminal courts. It's also in a solid NDP (socialist) riding. Not only was this area "gun free", but it probably has the highest concentration of anti-gun people in the country. Irony sucks.

533 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:05:38pm

re: #519 funky chicken

You cannot be serious. Please tell me that you are not serious.

have you ever studied McCain's voting record on national defense and military issues? have you ever studied his record on what types of people he would nominate to cabinet level positions? Geithner and Daschle would not make the cut.

10% cut in military budget when we are at war? uh, wouldn't have been a McCain policy.

McCain might have been worse in the sense that any decision he made would have been blocked, ridiculed by the media, and McCain would probably have "compromised". Think gang of 14.

What we have now is "a leader with confidence". That is a good thing because it's not such a moving target. It quite often beats getting something wrong for unknown reasons.

534 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:06:53pm

re: #532 Kenneth

Want to hear a good one? Last week there was a shooting at Osgood subway station. Now, Osgood subway station is just down the street from City Hall and the criminal courts. It's also in a solid NDP (socialist) riding. Not only was this area "gun free", but it probably has the highest concentration of anti-gun people in the country. Irony sucks.

And sometimes, irony is delicious!

535 debutaunt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:08:49pm

re: #317 capitalist piglet

You forgot Carter. I've heard he is the smartest president we've ever had. Please don't leave this brilliant man out.

/doIgotta?

Did Carter write poetry? *Fainting*

536 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:09:18pm

Let me parse the interview from a leftie.

"Can we guarantee that they're not going to try to participate in another attack? No," Obama said. "

No one can guarantee that, GW could not, some did go back to terrorism under GW's watch, so nothing new there from Obama.

"But what I can guarantee is that if we don't uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe. And that will be a recruitment tool for organizations like al-Qaeda."

Both Mccain and Obama vowed to close GITMO because of the perception around the world about the torture issue. Nothing new from Obama there.

"Is it going to be easy?" Obama asked in the interview. "No, because we've got a couple hundred of hard-core militants that, unfortunately, because of ... some problems that we had previously in gathering evidence, we may not be able to try in ordinary courts but we don't want to release."

That's the likely number out of the under 300 detained that we want to keep locked up, but it'll be hard because the courts may not like the way evidence was gathered. Nothing new there, it will be hard if the courts fight their confessions.

My point is you may well disagree with GW, Obama and McCain, but GITMO would close no matter who won, and neither are talking about releasing the hard core guys. I'd bet none could be certain that those released for whatever reason would not do what others in the past did.
We did not have a candidate running that promised to keep GITMO, and not keep release some. We'd be having much the same discussion had McCain won. You all have valid opinions, but they were not supported by either major party, just as many of mine are not.

I

But he expressed confidence that the administration would ultimately find a solution balancing security and U.S. legal values.

"I have to make the very best judgments I can make in terms of what's going to keep the American people safe and ... what's going to uphold our Constitution and our traditions of due process," Obama said. "And what I'm convinced of is -- we can balance those interests in a way that makes all of us proud but also assures that we're not attacked."

537 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:09:19pm

re: #469 jwb7605

I think "Harry Tuttle" got it fairly close.
McCain was hoisted on his own petard (campaign finance reform), because he was basically "boxed in", and money (plus the slobbering media) got his opponent elected.

People who did not do research on Obama's background honestly still do not know what they were voting for. The "Jeremiah Wright" fiasco was a false-flag operation. The part that was ignored, and the important issue, starts with Bill Ayers and includes Saul Alinsky.

The problem with Bill Ayers, though, is that understanding the topic requires some research and some knowledge of history, and what people like Alinsky were actually up to. That sort of thing is no longer taught in college or high school, largely due to the efforts of the mentioned individuals.


I would agree with all of that except your assertion that the Jeremiah Wright issue was a false flag.

I believe it told us volumes about the character of Obama and about the racist, anti-American thought to which Obama has lent his support as he 'organized communities'. I have no reason to believe those opinions have changed, especially with the gaffes we heard from Michelle during the campaign.

Sure all of that could be purely Machiavellian 'use' of his fellow parishioners for political gain, but how would that be any better?

538 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:09:29pm

re: #526 Walter L. Newton

Then leave. It's evident you can't back up your statement with anything better than hyperbole, so, why hang around. If you have noticed, most of what happens here is debate, tossing around a topic, intelligent conversation.

Have I lost you yet?

It's not always all that intelligent.

Walter I made the statement in passing and I actually agree with you that it is likely Obama will be very bad and that MCcain would have done a better job. I really don't care about comparing McCains record with anything all that much and it doesn't matter at this point anyway. Thats all.

You can't deny however that he gave the presidency to Obama. Something stinks there.

539 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:10:21pm

re: #401 jwb7605

Well. On this new noisy world, of which you speak: The campaign against thought goes on at an even more fundamental level than the diminution of word language: the noise and distraction goes against thought at its deepest level, because thoughts arrive naked and you clothe them with words later; and if there is a cacophony, then the things you need to know, which come in on the carrier wave of silence, you will miss them.

Thus, this mountain monk knows things which all should know, but they don't, because they do not stop to listen.

The Mountain Guy is the last 2/3 of the video.

540 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:10:48pm

re: #527 buzzdroid


This tells me that the president is scarily deluded - having no frame of reference outside of U.S. society.

Most Leftists are completely American-centric in their thinking. Everything everyone does is a reaction to our policies, foreign and domestic.

541 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:11:43pm

re: #535 debutaunt

Did Carter write poetry? *Fainting*

Rabbits on the grass, alas;
Rabbit in my canoe, boo-hoo

-J. Carter

542 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:11:50pm

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

Oh, Maisey the Parrot says she doesn't like you either.

I'm sorry your parrot doesn't like me.

543 ladycatnip  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:12:19pm
...he worried that detainees freed from the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo, Cuba, might resume attacks on the United States.

The important thing is 'he's worried.' Now we can all sleep safely in our beds because we know the O worries about us. He really, really, cares.

544 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:13:18pm

re: #538 Harry Tuttle

It's not always all that intelligent.

Walter I made the statement in passing and I actually agree with you that it is likely Obama will be very bad and that MCcain would have done a better job. I really don't care about comparing McCains record with anything all that much and it doesn't matter at this point anyway. Thats all.

You can't deny however that he gave the presidency to Obama. Something stinks there.

That I can agree with.

545 Moonbat Serenade  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:13:30pm

re: #543 ladycatnip

The important thing is 'he's worried.' Now we can all sleep safely in our beds because we know the O worries about us. He really, really, cares.

He needn't worry- they will never get past the Unicorns.

546 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:13:33pm

re: #537 eschew_obfuscation

I would agree with all of that except your assertion that the Jeremiah Wright issue was a false flag.

I believe it told us volumes about the character of Obama and about the racist, anti-American thought to which Obama has lent his support as he 'organized communities'. I have no reason to believe those opinions have changed, especially with the gaffes we heard from Michelle during the campaign.

Sure all of that could be purely Machiavellian 'use' of his fellow parishioners for political gain, but how would that be any better?

Absolutely, except the content of his character (refer to Nixon, for example) is less important than whether he wants to lead us to socialism (his vision of how America should be constructed).

Both are important. One will be nearly, if not completely, fatal to America as we know it.

547 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:14:18pm

re: #518 Harry Tuttle

The guy, I meant the guy we are talking about here, McCain.

So what though, do you only allow MCCain voters here?

This is annoying me.

Some respected lizards voted for Obama. I personally wish they had not, but I know better than to lash out over that disagreement.

548 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:14:42pm

hildebeast just sworn in. OMG

549 Dave the.....  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:15:21pm

528 Jim C

One of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".

RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity's very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

Left wing protestors know that rule...about the other side having to follow rules. They know that police have to cuddle criminals. That they can't take prevent measures. That a police officer cannot touch a criminal except in the most gentle way. So they provoke law enforcement, then cry "police brutality".

550 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:15:33pm

re: #542 Harry Tuttle

I'm sorry your parrot doesn't like me.

Ok, after you last comment, she likes you know. My only point is, you made a statement and then argued you statement through most of this thread without explaining yourself, which you now did in your last comment.

Why couldn't you just do that from the git-go?

Combining with you just said, with your original statement, clarifies your whole thought, at least for me.

Why was it like pulling teeth?

551 RightKlik  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:16:01pm

re: #536 avanti

"We'd be having much the same discussion had McCain won. You all have valid opinions, but they were not supported by either major party, just as many of mine are not."

But Obama is president. It doesn't matter what some other hypothetical president might have done. Obama's mistakes are the ones that have the potential to kill us. His mistakes are the ones we have to live with, so his mistakes are the ones we have to try to prevent.

552 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:16:44pm

re: #537 eschew_obfuscation

I would agree with all of that except your assertion that the Jeremiah Wright issue was a false flag.

I believe it told us volumes about the character of Obama and about the racist, anti-American thought to which Obama has lent his support as he 'organized communities'. I have no reason to believe those opinions have changed, especially with the gaffes we heard from Michelle during the campaign.

Sure all of that could be purely Machiavellian 'use' of his fellow parishioners for political gain, but how would that be any better?

It was Machiavellian alright, but that is neither anything new and/or different from a Chicago politician.

Obama may have read "Rules for Radicals", but he got tutored at the feet of those who run the political crime families in the city. I have yet to see one thing that Obama is doing that would seem out of place on the fifth floor of the Chicago city hall. Not one fricking thing.

As I keep saying, if you want an inside glimpse of what the hell is going on with the Obama administration, look no further than Cook County, Illinois, and the people who run it. The Daleys, Strogers, Beavers, Madigans, Mells, and others. You got to see some of it when Blagojevich was arrested, impeached, and then thrown out of the governor's office. If you think the Obama adminstration is anything other than Cook County politics writ large, then I have some swampland to sell you folks. This administration will run on broken promises, pay for play, and clout.

553 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:18:06pm

re: #534 subsailor68

And sometimes, irony is delicious!

Not really.

554 Maui Girl  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:18:18pm

This is what I would like to see happen.

An announcement should be made to all the prisoners at Gitmo, that the POTUS is coming to visit, give them about a week or so to contemplate the visit. Then I'd love to see it actually happen and the reactions of prisoners to the POTUS recorded by the press to see what kind of reception he'd get. If they are all lovey-dovey toward him then we are REALLY in trouble. If they throw feces etc., then maybe BO will override his own executive order.

555 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:18:38pm

re: #552 Honorary Yooper

Well put! Upding!

556 Scion9  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:18:45pm

re: #536 avanti


But he expressed confidence that the administration would ultimately find a solution balancing security and U.S. legal values.

There is unfortunately no such thing as 'legal values'. The law is what it is. The entire purpose of a written law is to diminish value based, moralistic judgments. To remove the arbitrary rulings of those in power.

The illegality of Gitmo was never established in any court of law. Its closure is an arbitrary ruling, with the anti-intellectual, illiberal smokescreen of 'legal values'.

He's POTUS, and has the power to do what he wants in this case, but he didn't make any case on any legal grounds for the closure of Gitmo. He only pretended to.

557 Harry Tuttle  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:19:24pm

re: #550 Walter L. Newton

Ok, after you last comment, she likes you know. My only point is, you made a statement and then argued you statement through most of this thread without explaining yourself, which you now did in your last comment.

Why couldn't you just do that from the git-go?

Combining with you just said, with your original statement, clarifies your whole thought, at least for me.

Why was it like pulling teeth?

My wife tells me that all the time.

Yes I got defensive when I start getting told to f off, my bad.

I do like you Walter and have appreciated many of your comments.

558 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:19:40pm

re: #552 Honorary Yooper

BTW, the Kos Kids may want to take heed of what Obama really is as well for he will break his promises to them over and over again. Markos has no clout, so, in Barry's world, Markos is a nobody.

559 OtherBrotherDarrell  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:19:44pm

Ron Paul! !11!eleventy-one! Huh?... Did you say something?... I like Doritos.....

560 Maui Girl  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:20:39pm

re: #406 MandyManners

What you do is pick up another magazine and thumb through it. Then, you replace in front of that US magazine. Yes, it's petty but, I got a kick out of doing it at Wal*Mart the other day.

I turn them over or hide them at the bottom of the pile, at the salon, the doctor's office, anywhere there's a magazine table for people to sit and read.

561 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:21:02pm

re: #548 newsjunkie_ky

hildebeast just sworn in. OMG

Excuse me while I hide under my desk and whimper for a bit.

How can she swear an oath without looking for the lightning bolt?

562 OtherBrotherDarrell  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:21:33pm

Sorry about that. Unicorn farts must have dazed me.

563 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:22:54pm

re: #552 Honorary Yooper

if you want an inside glimpse of what the hell is going on with the Obama administration, look no further than Cook County, Illinois, and the people who run it. The Daleys, Strogers, Beavers,

Ward, don't you think you're being a little hard on the Beavers?

Wait a minute... you're not Ward. Never mind.

564 Killer Tomato  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:23:22pm

BTW - everyone in Kentucky still freezing and starving? Shep Smith broadcasting from there yet? Anyone screaming Obama hates white people? Just askin...

565 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:23:27pm

re: #561 Dianna

Excuse me while I hide under my desk and whimper for a bit.

How can she swear an oath without looking for the lightning bolt?

She swore it to Azathoth, so no problem.

566 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:23:39pm

re: #553 Dianna

Not really.

Oops. Sorry. I wasn't referring specifically to the shooting. I'd never intentionally want to see someone hurt. My reference was more general, in that irony can be delicious when hubris is overtaken by reality.

I do need to be more careful. Thanks.

567 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:23:42pm

re: #551 RightKlik

"We'd be having much the same discussion had McCain won. You all have valid opinions, but they were not supported by either major party, just as many of mine are not."

But Obama is president. It doesn't matter what some other hypothetical president might have done. Obama's mistakes are the ones that have the potential to kill us. His mistakes are the ones we have to live with, so his mistakes are the ones we have to try to prevent.

Yep, but both ran on the promise of closing Gitmo, and one of them had to win. If you thought that closing Gitmo was a mistake, you were royally screwed either way.
Now you have a year to convince Obama to your side, and I fully support your being the loyal opposition.

568 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:24:08pm

re: #565 Occasional Reader

She swore it to Azathoth, so no problem.

Ah.

That explains a good deal.

569 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:24:32pm

re: #566 subsailor68

It's more than all right.

570 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:25:19pm

re: #557 Harry Tuttle

My wife tells me that all the time.

Yes I got defensive when I start getting told to f off, my bad.

I do like you Walter and have appreciated many of your comments.

Good, and excuse me for my terrible spelling and word usage, I've been sort of caffeine up today. Running on passion.

571 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:25:38pm

re: #514 funky chicken

No. the crimes would have to be committed by the president himself.
It doesn't keep him from hiring criminals that haven't been tried and convicted...

572 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:25:43pm

re: #569 Dianna

It's more than all right.

// I say we hang him!

573 ladycatnip  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:26:51pm

#536 Avanti

But he expressed confidence that the administration would ultimately find a solution balancing security and U.S. legal values.

Our U.S. legal values do not protect terrorists or enemy combatants. What do you think the outcome would've been if Roosevelt or Truman had said the same thing about the Germans and Japanese? If our msm and the ACLU could go back in a time machine to WWII, their collective heads would explode over the enormity of U.S. casualties and our interrogation techniques of pow's.

574 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:26:55pm

re: #572 jwb7605

// I say we hang him!

I regret that I have but one life to give for my entry.

575 Viking6  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:26:59pm

The lack of common sense in this One is strong.

/Channeling Yoda

576 Occasional Reader  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:27:10pm

re: #572 jwb7605

// I say we hang him!

I say we give 'im a fair trial, and THEN we hang him!

577 ghost ryder  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:27:21pm

re: #89 MandyManners

I hope all those who wouldn't vote for McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are fucking happy now!

Hey, I've heard that line before. Now where was it? ;-)

578 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:27:38pm

re: #552 Honorary Yooper

It was Machiavellian alright, but that is neither anything new and/or different from a Chicago politician.

Obama may have read "Rules for Radicals", but he got tutored at the feet of those who run the political crime families in the city. I have yet to see one thing that Obama is doing that would seem out of place on the fifth floor of the Chicago city hall. Not one fricking thing.

As I keep saying, if you want an inside glimpse of what the hell is going on with the Obama administration, look no further than Cook County, Illinois, and the people who run it. The Daleys, Strogers, Beavers, Madigans, Mells, and others. You got to see some of it when Blagojevich was arrested, impeached, and then thrown out of the governor's office. If you think the Obama adminstration is anything other than Cook County politics writ large, then I have some swampland to sell you folks. This administration will run on broken promises, pay for play, and clout.

I'm sure what you say is true.....I'm aware of, but not all that familiar with the details of Chicago political wrangling.

I have wondered, however, what actually happened with Blago. He was tolerated/encouraged for years within the democrat party and Chicago machine, and then, BLAMO, everyone from dogcatcher to lieutenant governor are treating him as a pariah..... even on the federal level.

Did he do something to piss everybody off at once, or with the Fitzpatrick investigation, were they afraid of exposure? And if the latter, how does making him a pariah help them avoid the fallout?

Most of the time (William Jefferson comes to mind), the left just defends whatever bad behavior a fellow democrat may have been caught in and says "move on, this is just a distraction".

579 Noam Chumpski  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:27:39pm

I heard the interview and the reporter doesn't ask Obama "what it would do to America" he asks him what it would do to him "politically"

Obama didn't sense a problem with that line of questioning.

He represents himself first. The Left second. Somewhere down the line is America; after blacks. Last on the list You, the little guy.

580 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:27:40pm

re: #575 Viking6

I wish that didn't feel so accurate.

581 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:28:31pm

re: #578 eschew_obfuscation

I think it was the tapes.

582 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:30:20pm

Well all, must go. There's a posse on my tail, they've got a rope, and they look downright mean.

Have a great evening everyone!

:-)

583 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:30:31pm

re: #564 Killer Tomato

BTW - everyone in Kentucky still freezing and starving? Shep Smith broadcasting from there yet? Anyone screaming Obama hates white people? Just askin...


Apparently if you say this, even in satirical form, you are a racist.
Listening to the radio today, FEMA has shown little presence and even less help. We Kentuckians take care of ourselves and our neighbors and friends.

584 Viking6  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:30:58pm

re: #580 Dianna

Me too.. Somedays I just can't even post due to the current state of affairs. I might say something that would remove me from Lizard land.

585 funky chicken  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:31:13pm

re: #567 avanti

Yep, but both ran on the promise of closing Gitmo, and one of them had to win. If you thought that closing Gitmo was a mistake, you were royally screwed either way.
Now you have a year to convince Obama to your side, and I fully support your being the loyal opposition.

Uh, avanti, here's the difference. McCain would have most likely come up with the plan of how to handle these terrorists and where to put the terrorists before he signed the executive order forcing the closure of GTMO in 12 months. How do I know that? I'm married to a military pilot and graduate of a US service academy. They do tend to think things through before they sign anything.

One of the big conservative complaints against McCain is that he opposed the Bush tax cuts. He only opposed them because he wanted the spending cuts in place before the revenue cuts were made. He lost that argument, and we got tax cuts plus huge growth in government expenditures.

not exactly conservative, at least by my definition

586 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:32:11pm

re: #581 Dianna

I think it was the tapes.

I guess that seems reasonable. I guess that provides the others with some "righteous indignation credits" in case they make appearances on the tapes. Still, it seems kinda thin.

587 jwb7605  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:32:30pm

Errands call.
BBL

588 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:32:37pm

re: #573 ladycatnip

#536 Avanti

Our U.S. legal values do not protect terrorists or enemy combatants. What do you think the outcome would've been if Roosevelt or Truman had said the same thing about the Germans and Japanese? If our msm and the ACLU could go back in a time machine to WWII, their collective heads would explode over the enormity of U.S. casualties and our interrogation techniques of pow's.

I won't argue that point, I'm not a expert on the constitutional issues, but I do know the US courts have already stepped in to the fray. Again, you or I may disagree with the courts, but it's a moot point when it comes to what they'll decide.

589 Killer Tomato  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:35:46pm

re: #583 newsjunkie_ky

Well good luck and God bless all of you - I was out of power for a week after the ice storm in NH so I have a vague idea of what you're dealing with.
And your dog's adorable!

590 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:36:39pm

re: #583 newsjunkie_ky

Apparently if you say this, even in satirical form, you are a racist.
Listening to the radio today, FEMA has shown little presence and even less help. We Kentuckians take care of ourselves and our neighbors and friends.

Yeah, I made this point on another thread earlier today.

Where is the media screaming about the miserable FEMA response?
Where is Obama flying in to assess the situation?
Where are the promises of federal emergency bail-out funds?
Bring some of those trailers up from LA for people without electricity.

This is obviously all rhetorical .... liberals make me nuts.

591 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:38:57pm

re: #585 funky chicken

Uh, avanti, here's the difference. McCain would have most likely come up with the plan of how to handle these terrorists and where to put the terrorists before he signed the executive order forcing the closure of GTMO in 12 months. How do I know that? I'm married to a military pilot and graduate of a US service academy. They do tend to think things through before they sign anything.

One of the big conservative complaints against McCain is that he opposed the Bush tax cuts. He only opposed them because he wanted the spending cuts in place before the revenue cuts were made. He lost that argument, and we got tax cuts plus huge growth in government expenditures.

not exactly conservative, at least by my definition

In my opinion, Omaba did that to placate the left and get a years wiggle room. If for some reason, he's told it can't be done in a year, he can extend the deadline. He'll do the same with Iraq if the Generals tell him that they can't withdraw safely in 16 months. Both issues just take the heat off during the honeymoon.

592 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:39:49pm

re: #584 Viking6

Me too.. Somedays I just can't even post due to the current state of affairs. I might say something that would remove me from Lizard land.

I can't manage too much optimism right now, either.

593 mjwsatx  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:40:26pm

What an incredible asshole is this Barak Hussein Obama.

He is STILL voting PRESENT.

By taking the "high road" and releasing the Guantanamo terrorists while warning us - his loyal constituents - that we may all pay a price for taking this "moral" action he can claim that he warned us and had reservations about setting these guys free when Americans are murdered by the monsters he is letting loose.

What a unbelieveable schmuck.

594 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:40:52pm

re: #585 funky chicken

That is a good point, one that does get left out.

595 gawntrail  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:41:55pm

re: #208 DistantThunder

Obama and his team are giving the wounded fish signal that will draw sharks from around the world.

Stock up on canned soups and bottled water. We have.

.........and the horror is that the blood trail is from a stab in the back.

Why am I laying in a chalk outline?...................... with no signs of forced entry?

M. Gipson

596 Dianna  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:42:17pm

re: #586 eschew_obfuscation

I guess that seems reasonable. I guess that provides the others with some "righteous indignation credits" in case they make appearances on the tapes. Still, it seems kinda thin.

I have no idea how it's going to play out. Some Illinois lizard, weeks ago, pointed out that Fitzgerald's target is and always has been Daley. I don't know enough about that to comment, but it's a point I try to bear in mind.

597 Killer Tomato  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:42:49pm

re: #593 mjwsatx

What a unbelieveable schmuck.

I fear you are too kind.

598 nyc redneck  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:45:25pm

surely, even an 8 yr. old can see thru the contradictory statements coming from O, regarding his thoughts on a subject.
he tries to sound intelligent and thoughtful.
but he sounds like mr. mc goo.
bumbling.
double talk.
he wouldn't even inspire confidence in a child.

599 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:46:10pm

re: #578 eschew_obfuscation

Blagojevich made a major mistake. He managed to majorly piss off his father-in-law. After that, each mis-step was recorded until he made the biggest mistake of his political career. He got caught. Blago became a liability, somewhat like Fredo or Carlo (actually, Carlo is an excellent comparison as he did marry a Don's daughter, in this case being Patricia Mell, Richard Mell's daughter).

It was being caught that brought those who disliked Blago together. It was the fear of being singled out in 2010 that made it unaminous.

Blago made several threats on Friday to tell all. I have a strong feeling that this is not over yet. More heads may roll in the coming months. BTW, Blago's on Letterman tomorrow night.

600 Know Your Enemy  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:46:45pm

B-b-but my intentions were good! It's just a few bad actors...

601 ladycatnip  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:47:28pm

#593 mjwsatx

He is STILL voting PRESENT.

By taking the "high road" and releasing the Guantanamo terrorists while warning us - his loyal constituents - that we may all pay a price for taking this "moral" action he can claim that he warned us and had reservations about setting these guys free when Americans are murdered by the monsters he is letting loose.

What a unbelieveable schmuck.

You're absolutely right! I hadn't thought equating this to his strong 'voting present' track record, but he's doing exactly that. And he does it so well.

602 Killer Tomato  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:47:49pm

re: #599 Honorary Yooper

You DO remember what happened to Carlo, don't you?

603 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:49:11pm

re: #602 Killer Tomato

You DO remember what happened to Carlo, don't you?

Yep. He had to answer for Santino.

604 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:50:17pm

As many have stated earlier in this thread, it's not like this is a surprise. Everybody has been talking Gitmo for quite a while. What is a surprise is that Obama is seemingly having doubts this soon after giving his orders. That is a sign of extreme amateurishness and as such is extremely dangerous given his responsibilities. At the risk of sounding unhinged I must scream " THIS IS PRECISELY WHY POTUS IS NOT AN ENTRY LEVEL JOB"

What other promises / decisions lay in wait out there that the O might suddenly realize in retrospect are unwise.........hmmmmmm?

52% of the American people put about as much weight into their presidential decision making process as I put into picking what socks I'm going to put on in the morning.........Geez Looeeez

605 coloradobuff  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:50:24pm

re: #396 Walter L. Newton

Here we go again with the hyperbole. He does understand, he is a socialist, with a defined direction that he wants to take this country, and as long as you go along thinking he "doesn't understand" and let that little confusion bother your train of thought, he will be rolling merrily along putting his plan into effect.


Actually, I didnt' say anything about his being a socialist. That's for another time.

However, regarding Gitmo, I truly believe he either doesn't understand the ultimate results of his actions, or he just doesn't care. I am not just talking about setting precedent regarding how we treat our nation's enemies in the future, or even how he may view our relationship with the Islamic world in the future. I'm talking about releasing enemy combatants capable of returning to the fight, and possibly killing thousands more Americans in the process. Not only does that trump his vision for country, but it could end up destroying his presidency.

Further, since it was evident at the signing of the executive order regarding Gitmo that they had not yet figured out how to deal with the prisoners, I wouldn't give him too much credit for having everything planned out just yet. He apparently has some basic tenets to which he ascribes, but it is clear that he doesn't know how to achieve the end game, at least in this particular case.

606 DeeAitch  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:50:42pm

I guess he's figured out that his popularity in the country would plummet if a major attack occurred after he does this.
But Europeans and others all over the world wouldn't mind, and isn't the Global test the one that really matters? I thought that Barrack meant to be President of the US, but representing the whole world as he did it.

607 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:52:33pm

re: #601 ladycatnip

#593 mjwsatx

You're absolutely right! I hadn't thought equating this to his strong 'voting present' track record, but he's doing exactly that. And he does it so well.

He has not released any yet, nor are there many that will be. Gitmo is down from over 600 to about 250, and 200 or so may never be released.

608 rexatosis  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:53:13pm

Has Pres. Obama even read the Constitution? This guy was a law school professor? I would like to know where the "bleep" the Constitution gives rights and liberties to Foreign nationals waging Jihad on the United States?

609 Killer Tomato  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:54:55pm

re: #603 Honorary Yooper

:)

610 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:56:36pm

re: #608 rexatosis

Has Pres. Obama even read the Constitution? This guy was a law school professor? I would like to know where the "bleep" the Constitution gives rights and liberties to Foreign nationals waging Jihad on the United States?

No doubt on the same page where it gives rights and liberties to illegal immigrants. The founders must have written these parts in invisible ink...so that only the anointed would see them.......
/ *Spit*

611 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:57:12pm

re: #608 rexatosis

Has Pres. Obama even read the Constitution? This guy was a law school professor? I would like to know where the "bleep" the Constitution gives rights and liberties to Foreign nationals waging Jihad on the United States?

Ask the courts, they are the ones that shut down a lot of GW's plans over constitutional issues. They ruled that they have the right to be charged and defend themselves. Congress could vote to suspend that right in a crisis, but then we'd all lose it.

612 SecondComing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:58:20pm

re: #593 mjwsatx

What an incredible asshole is this Barak Hussein Obama.

He is STILL voting PRESENT.

By taking the "high road" and releasing the Guantanamo terrorists while warning us - his loyal constituents - that we may all pay a price for taking this "moral" action he can claim that he warned us and had reservations about setting these guys free when Americans are murdered by the monsters he is letting loose.

What a unbelievable schmuck.

He'll just blame it all on Bush: "It was being wrongly imprisoned under the Bush Administration that hardened these guys and fomented their hatred toward us. Unfortunately we're left with trying to clean up the mess. The sooner we put and end to this practice the sooner the healing can begin."

613 SecondComing  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 1:59:54pm

Oh and do soldiers just start shooting these guys on the spot now?

614 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:01:49pm

re: #611 avanti

Ask the courts, they are the ones that shut down a lot of GW's plans over constitutional issues. They ruled that they have the right to be charged and defend themselves. Congress could vote to suspend that right in a crisis, but then we'd all lose it.

I don't buy the 'then we'd all lose it' argument. I wouldn't lose shit. I am an American citizen. The people we're talking about at Gitmo are not American citizens. If they get the same protections we get then what the hell exactly, is the point in being an American citizen?

615 cartoonboy  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:02:01pm

A balistic missile is hardwired to target the United States.

It sits fully fueled on its launch pad.

Obama tells us that not activating its countdown timer violates its rights.

Protecting the missile's putative rights trumps protecting United States citizens.

Obama:
"I won."

616 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:06:03pm

re: #400 Harry Tuttle

O breaking his promise or McCain being too stupid to see it coming?

6 of 1...

And I don't think McLame is stupid.

Man you people sure like to jump all over anyone who doesn't drink the koolaid just like you all like it.

And Mandy can spin on it.

The man was disabled while being held as a POW and you make fun of him using that word? That is beneath contempt.

617 quickjustice  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:08:04pm

This is like attending a cocktail party in Manhattan loaded with twits. Only now, the twit is in the White House.

My real concern is not with Obama's stupid public statements, which I view as a distraction, but with his extremely serious beyond-the-scenes Ayers agenda, supported through Alinsky tactics.

618 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:19:05pm

re: #614 LGoPs

I don't buy the 'then we'd all lose it' argument. I wouldn't lose shit. I am an American citizen. The people we're talking about at Gitmo are not American citizens. If they get the same protections we get then what the hell exactly, is the point in being an American citizen?

It a constitutional issue according to the courts. Congress can vote to suspend habes corpus in extreme cases, but it will apply to all, you can't just suspend it for some. It's a 600 year old concept, dating from the Magna Carta.

619 pfbatt  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:19:58pm

This makes me think; This guy's a FUCKING MORON

620 Canoe Train  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:20:20pm

re: #617 quickjustice

The twits are self-righteous, too. Naive, also. I continue to have a hard time believing that this individual got elected. He will go down as one of the least effective chief executives in our times. I suspect that it is not a question if any Americans will lose their lives because of his paucity of leadership, but how many, and when.

621 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:22:21pm

re: #615 cartoonboy

A balistic missile is hardwired to target the United States.

It sits fully fueled on its launch pad.

Obama tells us that not activating its countdown timer violates its rights.

Protecting the missile's putative rights trumps protecting United States citizens.

Obama:
"I won."

Again, it's not in the POTUS's power to ignore the courts as GW found out. i.e, , if Obama wanted to take your guns, the courts would stop him.

622 HillJack  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:22:28pm

A lifetime supply of Ibuprofen won't do. What we all are going to need is at least a 4 year supply of Vaseline or KY, whichever you prefer.

623 JacksonTn  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:23:26pm

re: #621 avanti

Again, it's not in the POTUS's power to ignore the courts as GW found out. i.e, , if Obama wanted to take your guns, the courts would stop him.

Well, Obama will take care of that with his appointments ...did you never hear his little talk about the constitution and how it is "flawed" ...

624 avanti  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:29:33pm

re: #623 JacksonTn

Well, Obama will take care of that with his appointments ...did you never hear his little talk about the constitution and how it is "flawed" ...

There are no open seats on the Supreme Court.

625 LGoPs  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:32:00pm

re: #618 avanti

It a constitutional issue according to the courts. Congress can vote to suspend habes corpus in extreme cases, but it will apply to all, you can't just suspend it for some. It's a 600 year old concept, dating from the Magna Carta.

I'm not a lawyer but I find it hard to believe that Congress cannot or would not make a distinction between American citizen's rights and foreign national terrorists rights........

626 Muadib  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:34:44pm

With all these extremely dangerous Marxists running our government, I'd almost forgotten the threat from radical Islamic fighters.

627 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 2:51:31pm

re: #624 avanti

There are no open seats on the Supreme Court.

However, packing it a al FDR is not out of the question for BHO. It depends on how willing Congress is to go along with the scheme.

628 Scannit  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 3:02:34pm

Checking out Wikipedia for the reference to the saying "the Constitution is not a suicide pact", came up with a reference to Jefferson when he was attempting to purchase Louisiana territory from France.

In justifying his actions, he later wrote: "[a] strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means."[1]

But Obama said. “But what I can guarantee is that if we don’t uphold our Constitution and our values, that over time that will make us less safe.

Neither Jefferson or Obama signed the Constitution, but I'll take Jefferson over Obama anyday.....

629 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 3:04:00pm
630 Outrider  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 3:05:11pm
There also are fears some may return to their attacks against the United States. Several of the detainees released by the Bush administration again became active in anti-U.S. militant groups.


Some? How about 61 returning to terrorism at last count!

631 Gollygoshkins  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 3:39:21pm

I'm English and I am a little unsure of LGF's and its readers' approach to 'Gitmo Bay'.

I've have read LGF for many years, but I have never quite managed to understand your stance on this prison.

I'm a student but with strong classical liberal beliefs, and I help run the student branch of The Freedom Association (www.tfa.net). Thus, I believe very strongly in Habeas Corpus. It is apparent to me that either one must have these men be tried as terrorists in US courts, or one must get Congress to declare a state of war ("Against whom?" Saudi Arabia cries), and treat such prisoners as POWs.

In my entire being, not one single cell wishes to sympathise with Guantanamo Bay's occupants. I do not believe - as the fascist British group 'Stop the War' would have us believe - that these men are innocent and were just in the area for local shopping, or whatever nonsense they claim; but I do think that we are fighting fascist-Islam, a ideal that seeks to destroy those values of Western Society which so many lives were lost in attempting to obtain and to defend.

At the University of York (my university), we recently had a talk organised by the Law Society, which featured two British Muslims just released from Gitmo and one prison guard who'd 'become enlightened'. What struck me, was that Mozamm Begg, one of the ex-detainees, constantly referred to Western Values, even mentioning - out of context - Beethoven's 5th Symphony at one point; but most especially, the horrifying lack of Habeas Corpus.

Now, Mozamm Begg is an Islamist - this I do not doubt. Furthermore, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest that he would not enforce the horrific injustice of Sharia Law if he were in power - completely ignoring the civilised and wonderful Habeas Corpus (I also doubt an Islamic state would ever play Beethoven's 5th symphony at the opening of Parliament).

And so, what those Islamists are trying to destroy, we must defend; at all costs. Such introductions of places such as Gitmo and dangerous laws like the Patriot Act are terrifying infringement of the hard-fought for concept of individual freedom, despite good intention or perceived pragmatism.

So I have two questions for Charles Johnson and your readers, and I ask this not as a hypocritical detractor of this blog, but an avid admirer:

1) What should be done with those Islamists captured fighting Coalition troops? And what status should be given them?

2) Should we sacrifice what we sought to defend in the name of pragmatism and safety for our citizens?

632 Gollygoshkins  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 3:43:45pm

(2nd post for corrected Website address in name - it's a blog I help to run)

633 Lincolntf  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 3:49:49pm

re: #631 Gollygoshkins

The fact that they were released and doing speaking gigs is a pretty good indication that they were treated more than fairly. We sacrificed none of our ideals with Gitmo. Presidents of the United States of America have a long history of making very difficult decisions in time of war (Roosevelt's internment camps, Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus, among others) and then allowing the natural process of Constitutional restrictions prevent the necessary wartime measures from being expanded or abused beyond immediate security needs.
If in fact we're "sacrificing our values" in the same way we did during the Civil War and World War II, we can only hope we get similar results.

634 wiffersnapper  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 3:58:42pm

This a 8.4 on the DUH scale.

635 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 4:05:14pm
636 deportman  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 4:19:48pm

re: #3 Racer X
OK, freebase...

637 code red 21  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 4:23:25pm

re: #564 Killer Tomato

BTW - everyone in Kentucky still freezing and starving? Shep Smith broadcasting from there yet? Anyone screaming Obama hates white people? Just askin...

How dare you bring that sort of thing up you know darn well BO is staying awake at night and Shep is probably crying in his loafers over the situation. Shame on you.
///////need I?

638 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 4:43:24pm
639 Cielolady  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 5:32:53pm

re: #140 DistantThunder

You are scaring me.

640 cincinnati_kid37  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 5:48:50pm

re: #141 WriterMom

Sorry-your President is a lunatic.

Actually, he is incredibly incompetent and ignorant. He has not the faintest idea how to deal with any of these issues. From Gitmo to the economy. He's a zero.

This is why he made Biden Chief Advisor today. He needed something to explain why Biden is going to be telling him what to do all the time. "It's my Chief Advisor".

His incompetence is much worse than I suspected.

641 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 5:57:27pm

re: #640 cincinnati_kid37

He knows EXACTLY what he's doing.

642 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 5:58:03pm

I read now, as well, that the State department has back-peddled on Mugabe, and adopted the wet bus ticket approach. The reasoning?

A "precipitous exit" may encourage Mugabe's supporters, who have the guns, to cause carnage among the Zimabweans. So, best approach? The US is staying out of the matter and leaving it to the African nations to sort him out.

Peace, tolerance, respect, love blah blah blah blah......

643 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:02:25pm

I heard, as well, on a local moring radio show, where they just lurrrrrrrrve BHO, that BHO is such a hard worker that he goes back to the Oval Office after dinner and will work until 10pm or even 11pm. Bush, they say in mocking tones, would tidy the desk and leave at 5.00.

Well, my slant is that ex-Pres Bush had finished the day's work at 5 whereas BHO has no idea what he is doing so has to go back to try and figure out "what next", let alone the consequences for those actions.

644 Gollygoshkins  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:23:20pm

re: #638 ploome hineni

1) I don't think that's a particularly reasoned solution.

2) It's not an absurd question; it's a very pressing one. This devolution of civil liberties will eventually had a hugely adverse effect on our freedom and safety. This is not a prediction, but a fact - one noted so by many great classical liberal philosophers.

645 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:42:55pm
646 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:45:02pm
647 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 6:46:20pm
648 z9z99  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:08:48pm

re: #631 Gollygoshkins

If you are a little unsure of LGF readers' approach to the prison at Guantanamo Bay, it is probably because there are literally hundreds of us with no constraints as to uniformity of opinion. There isn't a single approach representative of the site, nor shoule you reasonably expect one. The existence of the facility in Cuba is not necessarily the result of malign motives, war criminals or pell-mell abandonment of fundamental principles. A more reasoned basis for analysis would be to consider it an attempt to deal with a vexing and grave problem within constraints imposed by general principles.

This is not the first time in history such issues have arisen. The common law concept of "outlawry," in which criminals were deprived of any protection of the law as a result of their non-observance of it, is an analogous situation. Note that the outlaw, once declared, could be killed with impunity, as he could not seek protection of the law. As ploome hineni points out, this is analogous to the situation of enemy combatants who fight outside of accepted practices of warfare.

No doubt, there were those dissenters from the concept of outlawry who argued that declaring the law not applicable to certain persons was a rejection of the concept of laws, and so doing was sacrificing the very thing that was sought to be protected. And doubtless, these concerns were dismissed with the observation that the surest way of sacrificing the thing to be defended was by refusing to defend it, not with words and rhetoric but by violence when necessary.

The claim that Americans are sacrificing their principles by balancing them against existential threats is simply an invalid generalization that may be venerated in the academy but orphaned in the real world. It is comforting to think that in a civilized society, no one would forfeit his life to the state without a trial. This airy notion is refuted by the fact that even in civilized societies, police carry guns, and sometimes use them to deadly effect without a priori concurrence of judge and jury. It takes little deductive reasoning to conclude that sometimes justified homicide occurs without due process of law.

Ideals by their very nature are concerned with perfection; otherwise they are not ideals. But human affairs by their nature are seldom perfect. If they were, there would be no need for Guantanamo, no need for rules of war and no need for policemen. Recognizing that real world threats often do not accommodate idealistic responses is not abandoning principles; it is recognizing that such principles do not spring immaculately from the breasts of chattering and self-absorbed narcissists, but that they must be fought for continually by good and honorable people, sometimes in ways that are ugly.

None of this is to say that Guantanamo should or should not close, that the detainees there should or should not have recourse to habeas corpus, or that they should or should not be given the protections of the Geneva Conventions (incidentally, the explicit exclusion of non-uniformed combatants from GC protocols was felt necessary to protect non-combatants). It is merely to point out that those who wish to fight terrorists with platitudes should not expect to be taken seriously when real people are slaughtered because the choices are hard and the theories just don't work out verey well.

649 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:15:44pm
650 J.S.  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 8:52:40pm

re: #631 Gollygoshkins

Are you of the opinion that soldiers on a battlefield are the equivalent of, say, CSI, Miami? Are you of the opinion that it is a soldier's "job" to gather forensic evidence for the future prosecution of "suspects"? hmmmm? are you? Good grief.

There is a text on this topic -- I would suggest you read it -- it's titled, "Willful Blindness: Memoir of the Jihad" by Andrew McCarthy. Read it.

651 Al in St. Lou  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 9:15:59pm

re: #305 Honorary Yooper

Isn't that David Axelrod's job?

I'm fairly certain that it's Robert Reich's job.

652 winston06  Mon, Feb 2, 2009 11:10:02pm

re: #333 Harry Tuttle

yep

653 gollygoshkins  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 1:34:33am

re: #645 ploome hineni

I understand that the status of these murders allows them to be shot at the side of the battlefield under the Geneva conventions, which I think is wrong. Especially in Afghanistan, in the eyes of the local people who are finally starting to support Coalition troops, it would make us no better than the Taleban.

And as for that incredibly rude question as to my heritage, I am not Muslim; I'm Jewish Israeli-British. I know more than than anyone the dangers of treating non-uniformed terrorists this way.

654 gonecamping  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:04:36am

Let me guess...Preening Official That Understands Shiq

re: #11 FurryOldGuyJeans

Gee, a real swift thinker we have as POTUS.

//////////////////////////////////////////////

655 gonecamping  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 5:08:45am

re: #5 godfrey

Is it really due to naivete or his desire to subvert all that the United States stands for? This is like some bad plot where the "super sleeper agent" becomes president. Unfortunately, this is not a book we can put down or a movie we can turn off.


A lot of people are going to die because of this clown's naivete.
656 RightKlik  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:02:22am

Obama is not an American president, he's an International president. Who represents us? Who will defend our interests. We have no representation...doesn't that mean we're living under tyranny?

657 Ron Shaw  Tue, Feb 3, 2009 8:03:15am

Notice how the terms 'terror' and 'terrorist' were not used in the above. Terrorists at Gitmo are euphemistically transformed into 'detainees' who may cause problems once released, but if we do not let them go there will be more problems. Newly freed Gitmo 'detainees' may attack (terror) us again.
Also notice how even the subliminal perception of resistance or 'fighting' terror and terrorists (I can only assume Obama means terror and terrorists here) will create more terror or terrorists for us. This has always been the position of Democrats/liberals. Cower in the face of danger or the threat, go the the farthest corner in the farthest room in the house and call someone else to come handle the mess. By and large in this scenario, we are and should be defenseless for those bent on killing us. The stated murderous intent of many of the Gitmo 'detainees' goes far beyond premeditation. It is an outright promise and we are the targets! So, why not just let them go and we in the US and non-Muslims abroad can live to die another day at the barbarous hands of ex-Gitmo-detainees

Democrats are idiots! The last time I checked Obama is the head Democrat for the next 4 years at least. Yes, he won the election. Innocent people will die after Gitmo 'detainees' are sprung. Will President Obama refer to them as 'terrorists' then?

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re: #657 Ron Shaw

Democrats are idiots! The last time I checked Obama is the head Democrat for the next 4 years at least. Yes, he won the election. Innocent people will die after Gitmo 'detainees' are sprung. Will President Obama refer to them as 'terrorists' then?

Sadly the wheel will turn full circle and we will be back where we started. Or rather we will be further behind. Four years for the terrorists to rebuild and hatch new plans. My own view is we should let these mutts in Guantanamo out. Ideally somewhere between Pakistan and Afghanistan and then use them for target practice. Rabid dogs are put down and these varmints deserve the same.


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