Muslim Sailor Sentenced to 10 Years

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Muslim convert Paul R. Hall, who chose the Islamic name “Hassan Abu-Jihaad,” joined the US Navy, and was convicted last year of passing information on ship movements to Al Qaeda, has been sentenced to 10 years in prison. The Investigative Project notes that the Hamas front group calling itself the Council on American Islamic Relations leapt to his defense, as they have done in every terrorist case:

Following his 2004 indictment, a Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) officials challenged the allegations against Abu-Jihaad.

Abu-Jihaad “was very surprised to hear he might be connected to anything related to terrorism,” CAIR-Arizona Executive Director Deedra Abboud told the Los Angeles Times. “He’s now scared he might get picked up for something he can’t imagine being a part of.”

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331 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:07:36am

Jihaad = peaceful inner struuggle.

2 Tumulus11  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:08:46am
‘He’s now scared he might get picked up for something he can’t imagine being a part of.’

. The name ‘Abu-Jihaad’ was an early clue.

3 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:09:26am

Doesn’t ‘abu’ mean “father of…”?

4 Wilderstad  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:10:20am

Hang this treasonous scum. Being gentle (10 years in prison) will only encourage more of the same. Make a stand .

5 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:10:56am

In the good old days, passing information on ship movements to the enemy was considered treason and punishable by execution.

6 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:11:23am

Hey, Hoopie! We see you!

Youtube Video
7 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:11:28am

The poor little poo-poo. Now he’s going to have to be a jail-house bitch.

8 soxfan4life  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:11:47am

re: #4 Wilderstad

Hang this treasonous scum. Being gentle (10 years in prison) will only encourage more of the same. Make a stand .

Let the prisoners know he’s a traitor. They’ll administer justice faster and more effectively than our system would.

9 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:12:21am

re: #3 Noam Sayin’

Never mind, father of.. It should mean, Son of a…..

10 cincinnati_kid37  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:12:27am

How many New York Times reporters and Congress-critters could be charge with a similar offense.

11 Desert Dog  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:13:13am

Abu-Dontbendoverforthesoap should have known better

12 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:13:27am

He’ll be 42 when he gets out, and I have no doubt he’ll be more committed than ever to jihad.

13 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:13:28am

Loose Lips Sink Ships.

Some things don’t change.

14 soxfan4life  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:13:44am

How long until his Islamic brother FCBBHO gives him a Presidential Pardon.

15 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:13:58am

Converted to Islam after which he joined the US Navy and was subsequently convicted of passing ship movement intelligence….10 years is far too lenient.

16 soxfan4life  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #15 FurryOldGuyJeans

Converted to Islam after which he joined the US Navy and was subsequently convicted of passing ship movement intelligence….10 years is far too lenient.

Keelhauling would be appropriate.

17 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:14:59am

… who chose the Islamic name “Hassan Abu-Jihaad” …

There might have been a clue there, but for the elimination of jihaad from the federal newspeak.

18 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:16:01am

A rope and the Highest Yardarm in the United States Navy…


*SPIT*

/S

19 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:16:39am

re: #12 Ringo the Gringo

He’ll be 42 when he gets out, and I have no doubt he’ll be more committed than ever to jihad.

Most likely he will be using his prison time to gain converts to Jihad.

20 doppelganglander  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:17:42am

re: #12 Ringo the Gringo

He’ll be 42 when he gets out, and I have no doubt he’ll be more committed than ever to jihad.

Especially since he will likely have full access to “spiritual advisers” in prison.

21 Clubsec  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:18:04am

Man Over Board!
Oh, … never mind.

22 irongrampa  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:18:05am

When he took the oath-the one we ALL took—it meant fulfilling that oath to the best of his ability—-PERIOD.

His actions made him a traitor to that oath. The punishment he received was in no way fitting.

The fact he’s yet alive is proof.

23 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:18:43am

re: #18 Dustyvet

A rope and the Highest Yardarm in the United States Navy…

*SPIT*

/S

Keel hauled…..

24 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:19:08am

I’d call Abu-Traitor a scumbag but that’s an insult to both scum and bags everywhere.

25 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:19:25am

re: #16 soxfan4life

Keelhauling would be appropriate.

In this instance, since we are at war, even that would be lenient.

26 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:21:25am

Everyone that voluntarily joins the military to “protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. There is no part of the oath that says becoming said enemy is allowed. This is treason, pure and simple.

27 Desert Dog  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:21:28am

re: #21 Clubsec

Man Over Board!
Oh, … never mind.

Hope they “chummed” the water for a good long time before he “accidentally” fell overboard

28 ladycatnip  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:21:30am

#19 FurryOldGuyJeans

Most likely he will be using his prison time to gain converts to Jihad.

We should have an all-muslim prison, manned by non-muslim prison guards. This would look like our government is “respecting” their religion when in reality the primary purpose is to keep them from converting non-muslims.

It’ll never happen, but I can wish.

29 soxfan4life  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:21:37am

re: #25 FurryOldGuyJeans

In this instance, since we are at war, even that would be lenient.

Well now that he’s a convert should we feed him a pork chop, before he meets Allah?

30 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:21:39am

John Anthony Walker


In May 1985, the FBI were tipped off to Walker’s activities by Walker’s then ex-wife Barbara, whom he had refused to pay alimony.[1] Following an investigation, the FBI arrested Walker, Whitworth, Arthur Walker and Michael Walker. Ironically, Walker himself was arrested using a trick he used to catch people in adultery cases: telephoning their hotel room and telling them that their car was broken into.[1] Barbara Walker was not prosecuted because of her role in disclosing the ring.[1][4] Former KGB agent Victor Cherkashin, however, details in his book “Spy Handler” that Walker was compromised by an FBI spy named Martynov, who overheard a conversation by chance in Moscow. Documents in his trial, Cherkashin argues, claimed that Martynov played a crucial role in the compromise of Walker’s cover.[8]

Walker cooperated with authorities and in a plea bargain, he agreed to submit to an unchallenged conviction and life sentence, provide a full disclosure of the details of his spying and give testimony against Jerry Whitworth in exchange for a pledge from the prosecutors that his son would receive a sentence of no more than 25 years imprisonment.[9][2] All of the members of the spy ring besides Michael Walker received life sentences for their role in the espionage. Jerry Whitworth was sentenced to 365 years in prison and was fined $410,000 dollars for his involvement.

Walker’s son Michael, who had a relatively minor role in the ring and agreed to testify in exchange for a reduced sentence, was released from prison on parole in February 2000.[1]

Walker is currently BOP Prisoner number 22449-037 and is incarcerated at a United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners (MCFP). His earliest possible parole date is 20 May 2015, at which point he will have served 30 years in prison.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

31 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:21:41am

re: #16 soxfan4life

Keelhauling would be appropriate.

On a rusty barnacle encrusted old ship.

32 Desert Dog  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:21:54am

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

Everyone that voluntarily joins the military to “protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. There is no part of the oath that says becoming said enemy is allowed. This is treason, pure and simple.

It is treason of the very worst kind

33 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:22:33am

re: #28 ladycatnip

#19 FurryOldGuyJeans

We should have an all-muslim prison, manned by non-muslim prison guards. This would look like our government is “respecting” their religion when in reality the primary purpose is to keep them from converting non-muslims.

It’ll never happen, but I can wish.

Even the Muslims would have problems with that since it cuts off their main recruitment stream.

34 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:23:00am

re: #32 Desert Dog

It is treason of the very worst kind

There is no good kind of treason.

35 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:23:14am

re: #30 Dustyvet

Walker’s treason played a role in the NorKo’s grabbing the Pueblo. With the Pueblo the Sovs got their hands on the encryption hardware, Walker gave them the software.

36 jaunte  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:23:30am

Talkleft is using this story to remark on disproportionate mandatory minimum sentences for marijuana.
Proof that terrorism actually exists? Change the subject!

37 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:23:41am

At the very least he should be locked up for life. If his blabbing results or resulted in deaths then yes, I’d think the death penalty would be fitting.

38 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:26:03am

re: #27 Desert Dog

Hope they “chummed” the water for a good long time before he “accidentally” fell overboard

You must never have been onboard a Naval vessel. The churning of the screws, along with the garbage being tossed over the side, does enough chumming without adding more.

I remember seeing the wake of the Kitty Hawk at night, phosphorescent green for miles behind from all the disturbed algae.

39 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:26:04am

re: #28 ladycatnip

#19 FurryOldGuyJeans

We should have an all-muslim prison, manned by non-muslim prison guards. This would look like our government is “respecting” their religion when in reality the primary purpose is to keep them from converting non-muslims.

It’ll never happen, but I can wish.

Marvelous idea! We can even insist that we are “protecting” them from the great backlash they’ve been yammering on about for so many years.

Heh. Dhimitude behind bars. Love it.

40 zombie  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:26:18am

CAIR is also trying to get Brian Sussman, a San Francisco radio talkshow host, shut down for doing a humor bit about Islam:

The pair, during the Monday program, did a comedic segment about Islam and its tenets, and joked that “Islamic finance is about living within your means and helping the needy — unless they’re Jews,” the blog reported. Additionally, they observed that “the great honorable qualities of that good old time religion: honor killings, female circumcision, not allowing women to drive … Jews are monkeys, pigs.”

CAIR rebutted them by citing the Quran:

Hooper cited the Quran, the holy book of Islam: “Those who believe (in the Quran), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), the Sabians, and the Christians — any who believe in God and the Last Day and work righteousness — on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” (Quran, 5:69)

No mention of the dhimmi status of the “people of the book,” naturally.

As mentioned ad infinitum here, one can mock Christians all day long, but make fun of Islam — and here comes CAIR.

41 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:26:59am
UCMJ
ART. 104. AIDING THE ENEMY
Any person who—
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

Ten years? Whoop de doo. Hang/shoot him.

42 ladycatnip  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:27:42am

#33 FurryOldGuyJeans

This is disturbing about muslims in our prison system - the whole jihad mentality is a perfect fit with sociopathic personalities - people who have no conscience, are filled with hate, and love killing and creating mayhem and fear.

43 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:27:44am

re: #40 zombie

CAIR is also trying to get Brian Sussman, a San Francisco radio talkshow host, shut down for doing a humor bit about Islam:

No mention of the dhimmi status of the “people of the book,” naturally.

As mentioned ad infinitum here, one can mock Christians all day long, but make fun of Islam — and here comes CAIR.

Even saying Muslims have a thin skin is a bit much. They bleat so much at the slightest imagined provocation, they have NO skin.

44 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:28:40am

re: #42 ladycatnip

#33 FurryOldGuyJeans

This is disturbing about muslims in our prison system - the whole jihad mentality is a perfect fit with sociopathic personalities - people who have no conscience, are filled with hate, and love killing and creating mayhem and fear.

Islam appeals to amorality.

45 irongrampa  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:29:19am

Boy, what a rotten, stupid week this has been.Makes me wonder if we’re not going to have an absolute spate of ocurrences like Binghamton and now this latest one. Surfing the blogs (‘specially the leftwits) reveals an orgy o fspew about gun control,etc. How long do y’all feel it will take ‘fore the Administration to move on this?

46 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:29:41am

re: #31 jcm

On a rusty barnacle encrusted old ship.

Keelhauling


The keelhauling of the ships surgeon of admiral Jan van Nes, Lieve Pietersz. Verschuier.
Keelhauling in the Tudor period

Keelhauling (Dutch kielhalen[1]; “to drag along the keel”) was a severe form of corporal punishment meted out to sailors at sea. The sailor was tied to a rope that looped beneath the vessel, thrown overboard on one side of the ship, and dragged under the ship’s keel to the other side. As the hull was often covered in barnacles and other marine growth, this could result in cuts and other injuries. This generally happened if the offender was pulled quickly. If pulled slowly, his weight might lower him sufficiently to miss the barnacles but might result in his drowning.

Keelhauling was legally permitted as a punishment in the Dutch Navy. The earliest official mention of keelhauling is a Dutch ordinance of 1560, and the practice was not formally abolished until 1853. While not an official punishment, it was reportedly used by some British Royal Navy and merchant marine captains, and has become strongly associated with pirate lore.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

47 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:30:41am

re: #38 FurryOldGuyJeans

You must never have been onboard a Naval vessel. The churning of the screws, along with the garbage being tossed over the side, does enough chumming without adding more.

I remember seeing the wake of the Kitty Hawk at night, phosphorescent green for miles behind from all the disturbed algae.

I’ve done a couple gigs on CAV’s..Enterprise and the Lincoln..A night launch of an F-14 is one of the most beautiful sights ever

48 Shug  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:31:24am

I keelhaul you

49 Bob Dillon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:31:42am

re: #35 jcm

Walker’s treason played a role in the NorKo’s grabbing the Pueblo. With the Pueblo the Sovs got their hands on the encryption hardware, Walker gave them the software.

Ah - we still had an Ace up our sleeves … without the correct random punched card for the day, inserted in the card reader on the front of the hardware … the machine was useless.

50 Racer X  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:32:19am

re: #48 Shug

I keelhaul you

Silence!

51 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:32:38am

re: #47 HoosierHoops

I’ve done a couple gigs on CAV’s..Enterprise and the Lincoln..A night launch of an F-14 is one of the most beautiful sights ever

Then you know exactly what I mean about the glow. ;)

When I was on the Kitty for the first 2 months of the cruise my berthing compartment was first deck down from the flight deck. I still can sleep through explosions and earthquakes. But if I hear someone creep around, I’m awake.

52 lostlakehiker  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:32:43am
Abu-Jihaad “was very surprised to hear he might be connected to anything related to terrorism,” CAIR-Arizona Executive Director Deedra Abboud told the Los Angeles Times. “He’s now scared he might get picked up for something he can’t imagine being a part of.”

The poor youth is innocent. He never broke a single letter of the Sharia code. If he gave out details of ship movements, it was in the furtherance of Jihad. How can that be against Sharia, and what other law counts? It’s just so unfair. He did what Allah wanted, step by step and to the letter, in perfect conformity to Islamic law and the example of Muhammad, pbuh. He himself is an exemplary Muslim, and CAIR is disappointed that so many others fail to step up and do the right thing like he did. What is the Faith of the Sword coming to, when legions of summer soldiers and sunshine patriots just keep their heads down rather than forthrightly choosing to sneak around gathering sailing dates and other strategic information, and thereby live by the sword, according to the code of the sword and the book of the sword?

/CAIR

53 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:33:20am

re: #41 Killer Tomato

Ah. He’s no longer in the Navy.
Tried by a US District Court.
So much for keelhauling and execution.

54 Kragar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:33:22am

Traitors used to be executed

55 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:33:48am

Taliban Chief Claims Responsibility for N.Y. Shooting Massacre


A Pakistani Taliban militant leader has claimed responsibility for the attack on a U.S. immigration center in New York state in which 13 people were killed, Reuters reported.


[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

56 zombie  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:33:48am

Oh, off-topic:

Now I’m getting hate-mail for writing a comment here on LGF (in which I stated that autism is being overdiagnosed these days). Since when does writing a comment on a blog rise to the level of eliciting hate mail? Sheesh.

57 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:34:06am

re: #53 Killer Tomato

Ah. He’s no longer in the Navy.
Tried by a US District Court.
So much for keelhauling and execution.

Execution can still be applied, remember Timothy McVeigh?

58 irongrampa  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:34:46am

re: #56 zombie

Simple, in today’s environment.

59 Bob Dillon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:34:50am

re: #35 jcm

Walker’s treason played a role in the NorKo’s grabbing the Pueblo. With the Pueblo the Sovs got their hands on the encryption hardware, Walker gave them the software.

This was also the start of declassification of several channels on the Navigation Satellites (forerunners to GPS) opening up survey and oil exploration work worldwide.

60 Gella  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:34:56am

this reminds me of NCIS episode

61 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:35:11am

re: #56 zombie

Oh, off-topic:

Now I’m getting hate-mail for writing a comment here on LGF (in which I stated that autism is being overdiagnosed these days). Since when does writing a comment on a blog rise to the level of eliciting hate mail? Sheesh.

When you say something people don’t like or want to hear, duh.

Look at the hate mail Charles gets on the anti-vaccine topics.

62 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:35:14am

re: #55 Dustyvet

Taliban Chief Claims Responsibility for N.Y. Shooting Massacre

A Pakistani Taliban militant leader has claimed responsibility for the attack on a U.S. immigration center in New York state in which 13 people were killed, Reuters reported.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Which means nothing.

63 FrogMarch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:35:37am

10 years? not enough.

64 Racer X  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:35:54am

re: #56 zombie

Oh, off-topic:

Now I’m getting hate-mail for writing a comment here on LGF (in which I stated that autism is being overdiagnosed these days). Since when does writing a comment on a blog rise to the level of eliciting hate mail? Sheesh.

Are you kidding?

If they knew how to reach us we would ALL receive hate mail.

65 Desert Dog  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:36:19am

re: #34 FurryOldGuyJeans

There is no good kind of treason.

If someone robs a bank, that is bad. If a cop robs a bank, that is also bad, but even worse because that is a person that took an oath to serve and protect…..both are bad, one is worse

66 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:36:20am

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Which means nothing.

I agree…just the point he’s bragging on it.

67 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:36:29am

re: #56 zombie

Oh, off-topic:

Now I’m getting hate-mail for writing a comment here on LGF (in which I stated that autism is being overdiagnosed these days). Since when does writing a comment on a blog rise to the level of eliciting hate mail? Sheesh.

Are you really asking that question? Hell, I’ve gottenhate mail from other Lizards for some of my posts.

68 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:36:44am

re: #55 Dustyvet

Taliban Chief Claims Responsibility for N.Y. Shooting Massacre

A Pakistani Taliban militant leader has claimed responsibility for the attack on a U.S. immigration center in New York state in which 13 people were killed, Reuters reported.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Why not claim responsibility for something you didn’t do. This is just a major publicity stunt trying to pump up the flagging jihadis.

69 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:37:03am

re: #66 Dustyvet

I agree…just the point he’s bragging on it.

The Taliban brag on their shit droppings.

70 ladycatnip  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:37:19am

#45 irongrampa

Boy, what a rotten, stupid week this has been.Makes me wonder if we’re not going to have an absolute spate of ocurrences like Binghamton and now this latest one…

I read on Fox News this morning that the taliban is taking credit for the killings at the immigration office. Better fasten our seat belts - these wackos will now take credit for everything. The perp was Vietnamese, probably a Buddhist.

71 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:37:32am

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

The Taliban brag on their shit droppings.

yup…

72 Racer X  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:38:00am

(I’ve got Pink Floyd - Echoes cranked up way too loud)

73 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:38:08am

Isn’t it interesting how similar the techniques of infiltration and treasonare, when one compares islam and communism.
In both cases we have people who are willing to betray their own country, for ideological reasons - and in both cases we have a class of willing enablers, usually the same intelligentsia, academe, media, literati and glitterati, who see nothing wrong with doing damage to their country, and who think its right to protect those who would destroy them.

I wonder how long this will be allowed to go on unchecked.
Nobody wants another witch hunt - but if thats whats needed to defend the realm, then thats whats got to be done …

74 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:38:43am

Just wait for the gun-control people start up, if they haven’t already…..

75 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:39:19am

re: #72 Racer X

(I’ve got Pink Floyd - Echoes cranked up way too loud)

Upding just because that’s my favorite song.
See the Live at Pompeii version where David Gilmour make his guitar beg for mercy?

76 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:39:24am

re: #55 Dustyvet

Taliban Chief Claims Responsibility for N.Y. Shooting Massacre

A Pakistani Taliban militant leader has claimed responsibility for the attack on a U.S. immigration center in New York state in which 13 people were killed, Reuters reported.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

I posted on that last thread. It might not be true.
FBI deny Taliban are responsible for New York gun rampage which left 14 dead

However, I distrust the FBI a little since the Armanious family was slaughtered in 2002, after the FBI concluded it was a credit card theft gone bad.

77 Kragar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:39:38am

re: #53 Killer Tomato

Ah. He’s no longer in the Navy.
Tried by a US District Court.
So much for keelhauling and execution.

Ah, so 10 years of federally funded Muslim indoctrination then

78 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:40:07am

re: #65 Desert Dog

If someone robs a bank, that is bad. If a cop robs a bank, that is also bad, but even worse because that is a person that took an oath to serve and protect…..both are bad, one is worse

Robbing a bank is not treason, a cop robbing a bank is not treason, an oath or lack therein is not even a consideration. Actively waging war against the United States by providing aid and comfort to the enemy is treason. Passing military secrets is providing aid.

79 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:40:18am

re: #77 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Ah, so 10 years of federally funded Muslim indoctrination then

Most likely. Heya Kragar!

80 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:40:28am

re: #55 Dustyvet

Taliban Chief Claims Responsibility for N.Y. Shooting Massacre

A Pakistani Taliban militant leader has claimed responsibility for the attack on a U.S. immigration center in New York state in which 13 people were killed, Reuters reported.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

FBI says thats rubbish:
‘FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said: ‘Based on the evidence, we can firmly discount that claim.’
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

81 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:40:54am

re: #74 WhiteRasta

*sigh* “But if it saves just one person…”
They overlook the fact that it’s not the law-abiding people who would be stripped of their guns.

82 zombie  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #61 FurryOldGuyJeans

When you say something people don’t like or want to hear, duh.

Look at the hate mail Charles gets on the anti-vaccine topics.

Yeah, but it’s more understandable when it’s on the front page. But when the offendig words are in a comment…hell, just scroll past.

re: #64 Racer X

Are you kidding?

If they knew how to reach us we would ALL receive hate mail.

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Are you really asking that question? Hell, I’ve gottenhate mail from other Lizards for some of my posts.

Dang — I gues the only option is to wear a flame-retardant suit and a front-and-back bullet-proof vest at all times.

83 irongrampa  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:41:50am

re: #70 ladycatnip

I worked just a short distance from that Civic Affairs office on Front St. It was instituted as a volunteer org to assist LEGAL immigrants in their quest for citizenship, and to become better citizens.

84 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:41:54am

re: #51 FurryOldGuyJeans

Then you know exactly what I mean about the glow. ;)

When I was on the Kitty for the first 2 months of the cruise my berthing compartment was first deck down from the flight deck. I still can sleep through explosions and earthquakes. But if I hear someone creep around, I’m awake.

I spent 20 years at MINSY building Nuclear Subs..But every so often…
My Boss walked in one day sometime in the early 90’s and told a group of us were flying to to Lincoln in the Indian Ocean cause they had totally wrecked DU#2 during WestPac tour..They melted all the tubes in the fresh water unit 2 and needed help.
They dumped high pressure steam into the unit but there was no water in the copper tubes..Everything melted inside…I’m surprised the MPA didn’t die from a heart attack

85 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:41:57am

re: #82 zombie

Dang — I gues the only option is to wear a flame-retardant suit and a front-and-back bullet-proof vest at all times.

I just ignore the shit when I get it.

86 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:42:01am

re: #56 zombie

Oh, off-topic:

Now I’m getting hate-mail for writing a comment here on LGF (in which I stated that autism is being overdiagnosed these days). Since when does writing a comment on a blog rise to the level of eliciting hate mail? Sheesh.

Cripes!
Looks as if some nutters have more time on their hands than should be legally allowed!

87 Kragar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:42:01am

re: #55 Dustyvet

Taliban Chief Claims Responsibility for N.Y. Shooting Massacre


A Pakistani Taliban militant leader has claimed responsibility for the attack on a U.S. immigration center in New York state in which 13 people were killed, Reuters reported.


[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Taliban leader claims responsibility for me stubbing my toe, “HAHA! Exactly as we planned!”

88 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:42:24am

re: #82 zombie

Nah. You just need a bulletproof helmet. You should ignore any shots to the torso or limbs.

89 Desert Dog  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:42:41am

re: #73 yma o hyd

Isn’t it interesting how similar the techniques of infiltration and treasonare, when one compares islam and communism.
In both cases we have people who are willing to betray their own country, for ideological reasons - and in both cases we have a class of willing enablers, usually the same intelligentsia, academe, media, literati and glitterati, who see nothing wrong with doing damage to their country, and who think its right to protect those who would destroy them.

I wonder how long this will be allowed to go on unchecked.
Nobody wants another witch hunt - but if thats whats needed to defend the realm, then thats whats got to be done …

I would say most of the traitors that aided the USSR and China did it for money, not for principal. There were exceptions, of course. But, it seems like most of these scumbags did it for one of two reasons: for money or because they felt they weren’t appreciated or some other nonsense.

With these converts, they think they are doing “god’s will”. Many of them are either over compensating for their recent conversion, or are being manipulated by others to do their dastardly deeds

90 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:42:58am

re: #26 FurryOldGuyJeans

Everyone that voluntarily joins the military to “protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. There is no part of the oath that says becoming said enemy is allowed. This is treason, pure and simple.

Or espionage. Or both.

If he subsequently has had an inclination to provide us with useful information on al Quaida’s activities, there could be room for some leniency here.

I suspect we’ll never hear about it, if it happened in the first place.

91 Racer X  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:43:16am

re: #75 Chicago Blonde

This one?

92 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:43:47am

re: #76 abolitionist

I posted on that last thread. It might not be true.
FBI deny Taliban are responsible for New York gun rampage which left 14 dead

However, I distrust the FBI a little since the Armanious family was slaughtered in 2002, after the FBI concluded it was a credit card theft gone bad.

Fine, then it was the Taliban. You don’t see a disconnect with that theory? The prep was a Nam immigrant, he claimed he was mad about his language skills, communicating, and his employment problems. He shot up a immigration center, some people who know him have already suggested that his anger was toward employment and stuff of that nature.

But it was the Taliban. Sure.

93 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:44:08am

re: #82 zombie

Dang — I gues the only option is to wear a flame-retardant suit and a front-and-back bullet-proof vest at all times.

I predict this will seriously impact the efficiency of showering/bathing.

94 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:44:15am

re: #82 zombie

Dang — I gues the only option is to wear a flame-retardant suit and a front-and-back bullet-proof vest at all times.

And helmet - don’t forget the helmet! With self-cleaning visor, like the Formula I-Drivers …

95 willie wonka  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:44:40am

Pity keel-hauling is no longer an option.

96 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:44:47am

re: #74 WhiteRasta

Just wait for the gun-control people start up, if they haven’t already…..

Looks like it was “just” handguns, both legally held.

Binghamton Searches for Reason Why Gunman Killed 14

Little was known about the assailant Friday night. Cautious officials declined to name the gunman, but there appeared to be little doubt about his identity. The official said Mr. Wong had a New York State pistol license that listed two handguns, apparently the weapons he used at the immigration services center: a .45-caliber Beretta and a 9-millimeter Beretta. The authorities matched the serial numbers of the two weapons found with the gunman’s body to the serial numbers on the pistol license. Officials said they were trying to trace the histories of the guns. Other public records indicated that Mr. Wong had also lived in California in recent years.
97 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:44:59am

re: #81 Chicago Blonde

I think you meant
*sigh* “But if it saves just one person…”
They overlook the fact that it’s not the law-abiding people who would be stripped of their guns.

98 Kragar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:45:19am

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Fine, then it was the Taliban. You don’t see a disconnect with that theory? The prep was a Nam immigrant, he claimed he was mad about his language skills, communicating, and his employment problems. He shot up a immigration center, some people who know him have already suggested that his anger was toward employment and stuff of that nature.

But it was the Taliban. Sure.

Fuck it, if they want to give us another reason to hunt them down and kill them, fine.

99 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:45:43am

re: #97 abolitionist

I think you meant
*sigh* “But if it saves just one person…”
They overlook the fact that it’s not the law-abiding people who would be stripped of their guns.

*hangs head* Yes. Thanks. Sorry.

100 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:46:08am

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

Fine, then it was the Taliban. You don’t see a disconnect with that theory? The prep was a Nam immigrant, he claimed he was mad about his language skills, communicating, and his employment problems. He shot up a immigration center, some people who know him have already suggested that his anger was toward employment and stuff of that nature.

But it was the Taliban. Sure.

The Taliban PR guys need to claim credit for SOMETHING!
/////

101 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:46:16am

re: #91 Racer X

This one?

It sure is. :)

102 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:46:16am

re: #87 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

It’s all the will of Lala…..

103 Bob Dillon  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:46:30am

re: #82 zombie

Dang — I gues the only option is to wear a flame-retardant suit and a front-and-back bullet-proof vest at all times.

Always has been a good procedure on the Net (since it went commercial - there used to be a code of etiquette) .. always will be a good procedure as it will only get worse.

104 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:47:00am

re: #98 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Fuck it, if they want to give us another reason to hunt them down and kill them, fine.

I’m only pointing this out because it does the effort NO GOOD if ever time we turn around, we see a Islamic boogy man behind every act of violence.

105 Desert Dog  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:47:48am

re: #78 FurryOldGuyJeans

Robbing a bank is not treason, a cop robbing a bank is not treason, an oath or lack therein is not even a consideration. Actively waging war against the United States by providing aid and comfort to the enemy is treason. Passing military secrets is providing aid.


I think I know the difference between the two FOGJ, it was for a comparison. I still think having someone in the military pass secrets is the worst kind of treason. There are levels of treason. Desert Dog passing secrets to the Taliban is bad. Some sailor doing the same is even worse. Yes? or, are they the same thing?

106 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:47:58am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

I’m only pointing this out because it does the effort NO GOOD if ever time we turn around, we see a Islamic boogy man behind every act of violence.

A lot of posters here already do that. Sometimes people are just crazy.

107 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:48:02am

re: #100 jcm

The Taliban PR guys need to claim credit for SOMETHING!
/////

He can, I don’t care, but we, here, don’t have to see Islam behind every rock. Hell, that’s starting to sound like them.

108 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:48:12am

They need to take this pos out to sea and do it old school. Hang him from the yardarm. I will gladly volunteer to heave around on the rope.

109 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:48:26am

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

He can, I don’t care, but we, here, don’t have to see Islam behind every rock. Hell, that’s starting to sound like them.

Agree with you on that!

110 ladycatnip  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:48:34am

#104 Walter L. Newton

I’m only pointing this out because it does the effort NO GOOD if ever time we turn around, we see a Islamic boogy man behind every act of violence.

Which is exactly what they’d like us to think.

111 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:48:38am

re: #84 HoosierHoops

I spent 20 years at MINSY building Nuclear Subs..But every so often…
My Boss walked in one day sometime in the early 90’s and told a group of us were flying to to Lincoln in the Indian Ocean cause they had totally wrecked DU#2 during WestPac tour..They melted all the tubes in the fresh water unit 2 and needed help.
They dumped high pressure steam into the unit but there was no water in the copper tubes..Everything melted inside…I’m surprised the MPA didn’t die from a heart attack

During my one and only CV cruise the starboard engineering crew totally destroyed the engine bearings by “gundecking” the oil level readings. When we got back to San Diego the repairs consisted of torch cutting through multiple decks holes 50+ feet across, and using a cargo winch to remove and replace the bearing housing. The Navy was liable for the costs involved because the bearings were leased from G.E., they are too expensive to buy outright.

112 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:49:03am

re: #108 pingjockey

They need to take this pos out to sea and do it old school. Hang him from the yardarm. I will gladly volunteer to heave around on the rope.

Make him a float on the torpedo nets in foreign ports……..

113 Kragar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:49:43am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

I’m only pointing this out because it does the effort NO GOOD if ever time we turn around, we see a Islamic boogy man behind every act of violence.

I’ve got no intention of actually saying or letting them assume responsibility. I’m perfectly comfortable with heaping scorn, mockery and derision on them while killing them.

“THIS IS FOR ME GETTING A C+ IN HIGH SCHOOL ALGEBRA, YOU BASTARDS!”

114 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:49:57am

re: #90 SixDegrees

Or espionage. Or both.

If he subsequently has had an inclination to provide us with useful information on al Quaida’s activities, there could be room for some leniency here.

I suspect we’ll never hear about it, if it happened in the first place.

For treason there should be NO leniency. People WILL die because of what this excrement did.

115 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:50:00am

re: #105 Desert Dog
IMO, ANYONE in the military, FBI, CIA, etc… passing secrets is worse than joe sixpack aiding and abetting the enemy.

116 zombie  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:50:00am

Well, if you’re against gun control and fear Obama will ban guns, better strap yourself in, because this horrific incident is gonna REALLY bring out the NRA-bashers and the gun-banners and the conservative-mockers:

Police official: 3 officers killed in Pa. shooting:

“A man opened fire on officers during a domestic disturbance call Saturday morning, killing three of them, a police official said. Friends said he had been upset recently about losing his job and that he feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.”

The punditry and verbiage is going to reach a fever pitch over this one.

117 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:50:09am

re: #98 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Fuck it, if they want to give us another reason to hunt them down and kill them, fine.

Already happened:

Deadly air strike’ in Pakistan:

‘A suspected US missile strike in north-west Pakistan, the second drone attack in four days, has killed 13 people. ‘

Talib asshat ought to have kept his mouth shut, regardless if it was true or not …

118 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:50:27am

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

I’m only pointing this out because it does the effort NO GOOD if ever time we turn around, we see a Islamic boogy man behind every act of violence.

Only reason I posted it, was that he said it.

119 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:51:09am

re: #105 Desert Dog

I think I know the difference between the two FOGJ, it was for a comparison. I still think having someone in the military pass secrets is the worst kind of treason. There are levels of treason. Desert Dog passing secrets to the Taliban is bad. Some sailor doing the same is even worse. Yes? or, are they the same thing?

Treason is treason, there are no degrees of difference.

120 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:51:11am

re: #95 willie wonka

Too bad this is not available:

For exceptionally extreme crimes the British Royal Navy had an even more severe form of the flogging punishment - “flogging around the fleet”. The punisment would be administered in port, or at sea if a fleet of ships was gathered. The victim would be put in a row boat and would be continually flogged as the boat was rowed in a circle all the way around the fleet. Many of the victims of this punishment did not survive

121 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:51:27am

re: #110 ladycatnip

#104 Walter L. Newton

Which is exactly what they’d like us to think.

Fine… boo!

122 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:51:39am

re: #114 FurryOldGuyJeans
Damn straight. No fucking breaks, except their necks at the end of that drop when the trap door opens.

123 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:51:40am

re: #116 zombie

Well, if you’re against gun control and fear Obama will ban guns, better strap yourself in, because this horrific incident is gonna REALLY bring out the NRA-bashers and the gun-banners and the conservative-mockers:

Police official: 3 officers killed in Pa. shooting:

“A man opened fire on officers during a domestic disturbance call Saturday morning, killing three of them, a police official said. Friends said he had been upset recently about losing his job and that he feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.”

The punditry and verbiage is going to reach a fever pitch over this one.

Lovely logic on that one.

124 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:52:20am

re: #116 zombie

Well, if you’re against gun control and fear Obama will ban guns, better strap yourself in, because this horrific incident is gonna REALLY bring out the NRA-bashers and the gun-banners and the conservative-mockers:

Police official: 3 officers killed in Pa. shooting:

“A man opened fire on officers during a domestic disturbance call Saturday morning, killing three of them, a police official said. Friends said he had been upset recently about losing his job and that he feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.”

The punditry and verbiage is going to reach a fever pitch over this one.

Two gun incidents in as many days will make the gun grabbers have an orgasm of justification.

125 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:52:40am

re: #108 pingjockey

They need to take this pos out to sea and do it old school. Hang him from the yardarm. I will gladly volunteer to heave around on the rope.

It is unfortunate, that Leaky Lehman, the NYT, et al have been ALLOWED (even Encouraged), to get away with Espionage/Sabotage/Treason. Prosecution for same, SHOULD have happened-and our country is less secure as a result-IMHO…..:>((

126 Shug  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:53:06am

re: #116 zombie

Well, if you’re against gun control and fear Obama will ban guns, better strap yourself in, because this horrific incident is gonna REALLY bring out the NRA-bashers and the gun-banners and the conservative-mockers:

Police official: 3 officers killed in Pa. shooting:

“A man opened fire on officers during a domestic disturbance call Saturday morning, killing three of them, a police official said. Friends said he had been upset recently about losing his job and that he feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.”

The punditry and verbiage is going to reach a fever pitch over this one.

Since he was a gun nut this will be widely reported by the national media.
Exactly the opposite of the coverage of that scumbag who killed those Oakland cops

127 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:53:15am

re: #111 FurryOldGuyJeans

During my one and only CV cruise the starboard engineering crew totally destroyed the engine bearings by “gundecking” the oil level readings. When we got back to San Diego the repairs consisted of torch cutting through multiple decks holes 50+ feet across, and using a cargo winch to remove and replace the bearing housing. The Navy was liable for the costs involved because the bearings were leased from G.E., they are too expensive to buy outright.

All the Nuclear Reactors in Navy Subs were leased from GE..Every sub we decomed we had to cut out the Reactor are return it to GE..I wonder where they all are these days..Not in Nevada that’s for sure

128 irongrampa  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:53:35am

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

Already starting. Been there and looked.

129 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:53:43am

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

Two gun incidents in as many days will make the gun grabbers have an orgasm of justification.

I’m afraid of that myself, and I don’t even have one. For one thing it’s the principle of the thing.

130 Kragar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:53:44am

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

Two gun incidents in as many days will make the gun grabbers have an orgasm of justification.

Rahm is looking into the opportunities now

131 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:53:47am

re: #119 FurryOldGuyJeans
I will politely disagree! It could be that I’m retired navy and someone in a position of trust who breaks that trust is worse than some asshat sending Hamas money. But, that’s just me.

132 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:54:31am

re: #123 jcm

Lovely logic on that one.

ABC is going to run something about guns next Friday night, from the previews last night, it looks like some sort of hit piece by ABC.

133 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:54:39am

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

Two gun incidents in as many days will make the gun grabbers have an orgasm of justification.

We had that Georgia incident, the church shooting, Oakland, Binghamton, and how Pittsburgh, all in the last couple of months.

Any minute now Chuckie Shumckster will be howling.

134 Shug  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:55:14am

re: #133 jcm

We had that Georgia incident, the church shooting, Oakland, Binghamton, and how Pittsburgh, all in the last couple of months.

Any minute now Chuckie Shumckster will be howling.

I think they should make murder illegal.

135 Shug  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:55:19am

/

136 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:55:37am

re: #134 Shug

I think they should make murder illegal.

Make crime, a crime!

137 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:55:54am

re: #134 Shug

Hear, hear! Let’s ban murder…

138 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:56:00am

Yep, dah guns did it, not the fools with the guns. Maniacs. criminals, other goblins will get weapons. Gun laws only affect law abiding people.

139 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:56:07am

re: #127 HoosierHoops

All the Nuclear Reactors in Navy Subs were leased from GE..Every sub we decomed we had to cut out the Reactor are return it to GE..I wonder where they all are these days..Not in Nevada that’s for sure

I was an airedale for more of my time in service, P3s and ASW. My last sea duty I became ship’s company on a conventional vessel. Would have been nice to go nuke since I might have gotta stationed closer to home of record (Seattle area), but I got cashiered (temp med retirement) by Clinton. Nice chunk of change, though, to get out. Too bad the ex got it all.

140 Kragar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:56:48am

re: #131 pingjockey

I will politely disagree! It could be that I’m retired navy and someone in a position of trust who breaks that trust is worse than some asshat sending Hamas money. But, that’s just me.

In the military, the basic assumption is that the guy fighting next to you is on your side. Anything which undermines that spells trouble.

141 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:56:49am

re: #138 pingjockey

Yep, dah guns did it, not the fools with the guns. Maniacs. criminals, other goblins will get weapons. Gun laws only affect law abiding people.

We all know it’s the guns, the exert mind control and make people go nuts!

/////////

142 pingjockey  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:56:59am

Later folks, tons of yardwork beckon.

143 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:57:26am

re: #131 pingjockey

I will politely disagree! It could be that I’m retired navy and someone in a position of trust who breaks that trust is worse than some asshat sending Hamas money. But, that’s just me.

The law as written makes no distinction as to who does the crime. Neither should we.

144 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:57:36am

re: #102 WhiteRasta

It’s all the will of Lala…..


Rasta you ole dead raas, how you do?

145 Kragar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:57:36am

re: #137 WhiteRasta

Hear, hear! Let’s ban murder…

Lets take it to the next logical step and just ban death.

146 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:57:39am

re: #138 pingjockey

Yep, dah guns did it, not the fools with the guns. Maniacs. criminals, other goblins will get weapons. Gun laws only affect law abiding people.

I can tell I need more sleep. I’m getting a cartoony image of an anthropomorphic gun walking into a bar, deciding it doesn’t like someone and starting something with a slap…

147 Racer X  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:57:43am

Spoons make you fat!

Guns kill people!

148 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:57:47am

re: #137 WhiteRasta

Hear, hear! Let’s ban murder…

Wait…uh…

149 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:57:59am

re: #133 jcm

We had that Georgia incident, the church shooting, Oakland, Binghamton, and how Pittsburgh, all in the last couple of months.

Any minute now Chuckie Shumckster will be howling.

I bet Holder was burning the midnight oil last night.

150 Truck Monkey  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:57:59am

re: #3 Noam Sayin’

Doesn’t ‘abu’ mean “father of…”?

So Abu Nidal means “Father of” Gore Vidal?

151 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:58:25am

re: #133 jcm

We had that Georgia incident, the church shooting, Oakland, Binghamton, and how Pittsburgh, all in the last couple of months.

Any minute now Chuckie Shumckster will be howling.

The only incidents that will matter are the two latest, Binghamton and Pittsburgh.

152 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:58:46am

re: #147 Racer X

Spoons make you fat!

Guns kill people!

The jeans make you look fat!

153 irongrampa  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:59:25am

Shit, guess I let my mood get the better of me here.

Good morning, good people. Notwithstanding the news.

154 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:59:26am

re: #151 FurryOldGuyJeans

The only incidents that will matter are the two latest, Binghamton and Pittsburgh.

They’ll get all the play.

How long till we see the “13 children a day” myth trotted out?

155 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:59:47am

re: #152 Chicago Blonde

The jeans make you look fat!

No dear, they do not may you look fat!

;-)

156 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:59:53am

re: #152 Chicago Blonde

The jeans make you look fat!

Excuse me?!? I’m fat, the jeans just cover it up! ;)

157 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:59:53am

re: #144 shanec99

Wha happen, bredda? Yu still keeping safe? I have some cold RedStripe waiting fi yu back a yawd!

158 Kragar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 10:59:55am

re: #152 Chicago Blonde

The jeans make you look fat!

Funny, I always thought it was the enormous ass stuffed into the jeans which did that.

159 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:00:09am

OT - for adults only (and slightly sick one at that) the Bruno trailer (Sacha Baron Cohen AKA Borat) for his next movie, due out in 3 months.

With no apologies from me, you’re all grown ups. Not safe for anything…

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk…]

160 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:00:29am

re: #114 FurryOldGuyJeans

For treason there should be NO leniency. People WILL die because of what this excrement did.

Maybe so.

Apparently, however, 10 years is the maximum sentence for this particular crime.

Very hard to second-guess the judge and prosecutors on this one. They’re the ones with the actual facts.

The judge threw out a second conviction of aiding terrorists. Perhaps, despite his efforts, the defendant’s information never got anywhere useful.

But that, like much else said here, is pure speculation. I’d like to have more facts before succumbing to outrage.

161 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:00:30am

Actually his name if translated means:

Handsome father of struggle.

Hassan means handsome
Abu - Jihaad: means father of struggle

162 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:00:38am

re: #156 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #158 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I needed a laugh, thanks.

163 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:01:42am

re: #157 WhiteRasta

Wha happen, bredda? Yu still keeping safe? I have some cold RedStripe waiting fi yu back a yawd!


You know you Jerk pork eating ole raas, mi email you an u no reply.

164 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:01:58am

re: #161 shanec99

His new name is: Come here, bitch…

165 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:02:13am

re: #141 jcm

We all know it’s the guns, the exert mind control and make people go nuts!

/////////

It’s like declaring war on aviation after the Germans Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

166 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:02:22am

Couple weeks ago I had a good laugh in East Africa

167 mikalm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:02:25am

re: #161 shanec99

Hassan means handsome

Like that great Arab scholar, Hassan Bin Sobah.

168 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:02:43am

re: #163 shanec99

You know you Jerk pork eating ole raas, mi email you an u no reply.

Where are you on the Dark Continent now, Shane?

169 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:03:08am

re: #159 Walter L. Newton

It doesn’t look quite as good as Borat but still seems pretty funny.

170 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:03:09am

re: #164 WhiteRasta

His new name is: Come here, bitch…

Quite likely

171 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:03:13am

re: #161 shanec99

Actually his name if translated means:

Handsome father of struggle.

Hassan means handsome
Abu - Jihaad: means father of struggle

Thinks rather highly of himself, doesn’t he?

172 Shug  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:03:14am

re: #159 Walter L. Newton

hilarious

173 Kragar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:03:44am

re: #164 WhiteRasta

His new name is: Come here, bitch…

Its Federal Prison, the Ummah will treat him like a fucking hero.

174 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:03:59am

re: #162 Chicago Blonde

re: #158 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I needed a laugh, thanks.

You might reconsider that if you were to see me “Do Da Butt”. ;)

175 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:03:59am

re: #163 shanec99

Mi mussa miss de mail, bredda. Try it again, nuh?

176 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:04:00am

re: #168 Pietr

Where are you on the Dark Continent now, Shane?


Actually where I am is not very important… its south of Somalia though

177 filetandrelease  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:04:00am

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Jihaad = peaceful inner struuggle.

The irony.

My first day on LGF, in the lounge, I was chastised for not answering a question concerning jihaad in the form of that quote. It always amuses me that this inner struggle nonsense is even thrown out by “islamic scholars”.

(I do know of course you understand it’s true meaning quite well)

178 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:04:03am

re: #165 ConservatismNow!

It’s like declaring war on aviation after the Germans Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

It was the Germans, they dropped a bomb.

// I learned my history from the movies and Obama.

179 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:04:20am

re: #171 MandyManners

Thinks rather highly of himself, doesn’t he?

Can you think of any other mindset where you’d pick a name that essentially means “pretty fight”?

180 Truck Monkey  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:04:33am

re: #168 Pietr

Where are you on the Dark Continent now, Shane?

It is whiter now that Madonna is there.

181 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:04:52am

re: #169 Killgore Trout

It doesn’t look quite as good as Borat but still seems pretty funny.

Are you kidding. Satirizing Madonna and SHIPPING a black baby to an airport in a BOX, and appearing on a real TALK SHOW with the kid. Brilliant. The talk show segment was partly set up, as the show and staff knew about the “joke,” the audience didn’t (as you can see by that woman’s reaction).

182 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:06:43am

re: #179 Chicago Blonde

Can you think of any other mindset where you’d pick a name that essentially means “pretty fight”?

I wonder what happened in his life that lead him to this point.

183 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:06:52am

re: #171 MandyManners

Thinks rather highly of himself, doesn’t he?

There is a serious strain of inferiority inherent in Islam since they have to treat women like property, and do MDK at the slightest imagined slight.

184 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:06:56am

re: #171 MandyManners

Thinks rather highly of himself, doesn’t he?


Well living among Muslms tells you alot.

Mohammed Ali… think for a moment what that name signifies:

Mohammed: Prophet who brought God’s words to unbelievers
Ali: Mohamed’s decendant who was the father of Shiism.

185 Racer X  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:07:11am

re: #182 MandyManners

I wonder what happened in his life that lead him to this point.

Islam.

186 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:07:24am

re: #164 WhiteRasta

His new name is: Come here, bitch…

One can hope. But this was tried in Federal court, which means Federal pen. Which means, almost certainly, an environment relatively free from such things, compared to prisons at the state or county level. The Feds go to some lengths to keep things under close supervision.

187 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:07:43am

re: #183 FurryOldGuyJeans

There is a serious strain of inferiority inherent in Islam since they have to treat women like property, and do MDK at the slightest imagined slight.

Buncha’ sick egos.

188 lostlakehiker  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:07:43am

re: #124 FurryOldGuyJeans

Two gun incidents in as many days will make the gun grabbers have an orgasm of justification.

This is his rifle, that is his gun…grab your rifle for fighting…the justification will come.

189 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:07:51am

re: #175 WhiteRasta
jerkpork… finish the rest for me, I dont remember it

190 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:08:03am

re: #180 Truck Monkey

It is whiter now that Madonna is there.

I have to agree (with whomever said it the other night) that we definitely need a Snark tag-because that deserves one…….IMHO.

191 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:08:27am

re: #182 MandyManners

I wonder what happened in his life that lead him to this point.

-The prom queen turned him down.
-He ate the blue acid before going to a class in “advanced civics” or some such.
-Insert whiny excuse here.

192 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:08:40am

re: #184 shanec99

Well living among Muslms tells you alot.

Mohammed Ali… think for a moment what that name signifies:

Mohammed: Prophet who brought God’s words to unbelievers
Ali: Mohamed’s decendant who was the father of Shiism.

He thought pretty highly of himself, too.

193 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:09:11am

Rasta, you heard about the tiny east African Island that told Dinner Jacket to go to hell a few weeks ago?

194 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:09:31am

re: #185 Racer X

Islam.

But, he wasn’t “normal”. Normal folks don’t convert to a religion that hates everyone but Muslim men.

195 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:09:53am

re: #186 SixDegrees

One can hope. But this was tried in Federal court, which means Federal pen. Which means, almost certainly, an environment relatively free from such things, compared to prisons at the state or county level. The Feds go to some lengths to keep things under close supervision.

This should NEVER have gotten out of military jurisdiction. A military court can hand out sentences more appropriate for the crime.

196 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:10:15am

re: #191 Chicago Blonde

-The prom queen turned him down.
-He ate the blue acid before going to a class in “advanced civics” or some such.
-Insert whiny excuse here.

I wonder what his mom thinks of all this.

197 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:10:19am

re: #192 MandyManners

He thought pretty highly of himself, too.

Don’t ALL of the Islamo-Fascist/Splodey Dopes? And Godd Morning Ms Manners……:>))

198 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:10:41am

re: #194 MandyManners

But, he wasn’t “normal”. Normal folks don’t convert to a religion that hates everyone but Muslim men.

I certainly won’t argue or contest what you said, Mandy.

199 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:10:52am

re: #181 Walter L. Newton

The Velcro at the fashion show look like a great gag. There’s also a quick glimpse near the end of the trailer where Bruno tries to seduce Ron Paul. I’m looking forward to seeing it.

200 hazzyday  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:11:07am

CAIR-Arizona Executive Director Deedra Abboud = the terroist enabler

The west is just gullible and ripe for plucking by these Hominidae

201 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:11:17am

re: #189 shanec99

2004At…….

202 Racer X  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:11:29am

re: #194 MandyManners

But, he wasn’t “normal”. Normal folks don’t convert to a religion that hates everyone but Muslim men.

Everyone is looking for the answer to the ultimate question. He chose to look for the answer in a cult.

203 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:11:30am

re: #197 Pietr

Don’t ALL of the Islamo-Fascist/Splodey Dopes? And Godd Morning Ms Manners……:>))

Islam, the Religion of Psychopathology.

204 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:11:47am

re: #139 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was an airedale for more of my time in service, P3s and ASW. My last sea duty I became ship’s company on a conventional vessel. Would have been nice to go nuke since I might have gotta stationed closer to home of record (Seattle area), but I got cashiered (temp med retirement) by Clinton. Nice chunk of change, though, to get out. Too bad the ex got it all.


Bill Clinton oversaw the Closing of Mare Island…15,000 of us got layed off over a two year time period.. Every Friday night we had a party for the next group heading out to new Gov’t jobs or in the private world..
EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT FOR 2 YEARS WE CRIED AND BID FAREWELL TO FRIENDS AND WORKERS WE GREW UP WITH.. It’s not fair to do that to people..In a Gov’t Riff you get options…But if you turn them down you are on your own.. So I got offered some crappy jobs.. A WS5 job to be a clerk for the CIA…Cause I had OE clearance From the DOD..
Are you kidding me? After 20 years of building Subs you have just offered me a 10 dollar an hour job to file folders at the CIA? You have got to be kidding me..Right? I got recruited by a Global Company.. So Fuck you Bill Clinton..How is the peace dividend working out?

205 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:12:01am

re: #197 Pietr

Don’t ALL of the Islamo-Fascist/Splodey Dopes? And Godd Morning Ms Manners……:>))

PIMF-‘Good’, tho a “God Bless” would not be inappropriate, I hope….

206 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:12:39am

re: #193 shanec99

One of the Coromos, I believe. They voted to abandon sharia law, right?

207 SixDegrees  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:12:45am

re: #195 FurryOldGuyJeans

This should NEVER have gotten out of military jurisdiction. A military court can hand out sentences more appropriate for the crime.

I’m curious as to why this was tried in Federal court, as opposed to a Naval court.

208 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:12:48am

re: #191 Chicago Blonde

-The prom queen turned him down.
-He ate the blue acid before going to a class in “advanced civics” or some such.
-Insert whiny excuse here.

I’ve had LOTS of such incidents in my life, being the less than handsome (down right fugly), hairy all over techno geek all my life. I have yet to contemplate doing such as this excrement did.

209 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:12:56am

re: #199 Killgore Trout

The Velcro at the fashion show look like a great gag. There’s also a quick glimpse near the end of the trailer where Bruno tries to seduce Ron Paul. I’m looking forward to seeing it.

That was Milan, and he did get arrested for that stunt.

210 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:13:07am

re: #202 Racer X

Everyone is looking for the answer to the ultimate question. He chose to look for the answer in a cult.

Not just any cult.

211 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:13:52am

re: #87 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Taliban leader claims responsibility for me stubbing my toe, “HAHA! Exactly as we planned!”

Kragar (ptbk) -

Early reports had the killer described as “Asian.” In UK English “Asian” usually means Pakistani, in the States - more like “Chinese, Korean…” Poor Mr. Taliban should be more aware of the nuances of the English Language as spoken in different nations. If the killer were Pakistani, there would be reason for pause. That the killer is of Vietnamese ethnicity makes Mr. Taliban look like the Taliban Minister of Silly Walks.

-S-

212 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:14:08am

re: #208 FurryOldGuyJeans

I’ve had LOTS of such incidents in my life, being the less than handsome (down right fugly), hairy all over techno geek all my life. I have yet to contemplate doing such as this excrement did.

That’s because you’re 1) decent and 2) not crazy.

Fugly is as fugly does. You ain’t fugly.

213 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:14:44am

re: #208 FurryOldGuyJeans

I’ve had LOTS of such incidents in my life, being the less than handsome (down right fugly), hairy all over techno geek all my life. I have yet to contemplate doing such as this excrement did.

So, what’s the reason he did what he did?

214 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:15:16am

Dinner Jacket and an whole group flew to the Comoros to strengthen relations between Comoros and iran at the end of February to reduce the influence that western societies are having undermining Islam.
Well one of the four islands of Comoros had a decision to make,the choice was get rid of Sharia (child brides, polygamy etc) or join a western democracy (France).
95% of the people voted to get rid of Sharia and become a part of France.

The people who invited the Iranian President are mad… they protested at the French embassy.

215 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:15:21am

re: #211 Dr. Shalit

Kinda like Baghdad Bob-“there are NO American forces in Iraq”…..

216 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:15:33am

re: #212 Chicago Blonde

That’s because you’re 1) decent and 2) not crazy.

Fugly is as fugly does. You ain’t fugly.

You certainly would get a disagreement on all points from virtually any woman I have ever had more than passing acquaintance with.

217 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:15:59am

re: #28 ladycatnip

#19 FurryOldGuyJeans


We should have an all-muslim prison, manned by non-muslim prison guards. This would look like our government is “respecting” their religion when in reality the primary purpose is to keep them from converting non-muslims.

It’ll never happen, but I can wish.

most muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are muslim.

218 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:16:12am

re: #201 WhiteRasta
k

219 mad mullah  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:16:28am

Maybe I’m just biased (I definitely am), but I’d be suspicious of anybody converting to Islam and renaming themselves “JIHAD”. That ought to give out a few red flags. Those converts often feel the need to prove themselves and he isn’t the first convert to become a terrorist. Many converts are also felons and thugs, having found the wonderful, peaceful religion of Islam while behind bars for committing various crimes.

Also, 10 years is a complete joke in my opinion. Whatever happened to executing people for treason? 10 years will not cure the terrorist of his disease.

220 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:16:40am

re: #213 MandyManners

So, what’s the reason he did what he did?

I don’t have a clue, and frankly don’t want to know. Trying to understand evil is not “my bag”. I just recognize it and want to get rid of it.

221 Racer X  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:16:59am

Porcupine Tree - Hatesong (Live)

222 opinionated  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:17:22am
……..convicted last year of passing information on ship movements to Al Qaeda, has been sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Oh, just to Al Qaeda, Ok, then, ten years, some off for good behavior, and he can return to terrorism quite soon.

On the other hand, Pollard got life for giving info to Israel. Bad and criminal as that was, unlike Al Qaeda, the info was not to be used to wage war on the United States.

223 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:17:33am

re: #218 shanec99

I have to go and deal with my honey-do list.

Chat later, bredda.
G-d Bless.

224 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:17:36am

re: #214 shanec99

I’m sure it was a peaceful protest….

/France? really?

225 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:18:20am

re: #220 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don’t have a clue, and frankly don’t want to know. Trying to understand evil is not “my bag”. I just recognize it and want to get rid of it.

… and feed it halal meat …

226 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:18:43am

re: #223 WhiteRasta

check your email

227 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:18:46am
Maybe I’m just biased (I definitely am), but I’d be suspicious of anybody converting to Islam and renaming themselves “JIHAD”. That ought to give out a few red flags. Those converts often feel the need to prove themselves and he isn’t the first convert to become a terrorist. Many converts are also felons and thugs, having found the wonderful, peaceful religion of Islam while behind bars for committing various crimes.

Also, 10 years is a complete joke in my opinion. Whatever happened to executing people for treason? 10 years will not cure the terrorist of his disease.

See my previous……
re: #125 Pietrre: #219 mad mullah

228 hazzyday  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:19:25am

re: #177 filetandrelease

The irony.

My first day on LGF, in the lounge, I was chastised for not answering a question concerning jihaad in the form of that quote. It always amuses me that this inner struggle nonsense is even thrown out by “islamic scholars”.

(I do know of course you understand it’s true meaning quite well)

A convenient audience defined word with vertical meanings. If the jihadi walks out the door and yells “struggle!” For his muslim neighbor on the right it means pulling some weeds out of the garden together. If his Jewish neighbor on the left hears it means a stabbing. If the MSM hears it the only possible definition of struggle could be getting their starbucks order correct as they reported on it yesterday.

229 ArmyWife  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:19:29am

re: #213 MandyManners

Insanity. We can’t apply logic to this, though that is our first inclination. We want to know what was wrong so we can fix it. We want it to follow our thought patterns, but it can’t.

230 Killer Tomato  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:19:30am

Unfortunately, the only war the US government seems interested in waging is the one on law abiding middle class Americans.
I don’t see that changing any time soon.

231 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:20:06am

re: #220 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don’t have a clue, and frankly don’t want to know. Trying to understand evil is not “my bag”. I just recognize it and want to get rid of it.

I think it’s interesting to try to figure out why people who weren’t born into it convert to it.

232 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:20:24am

re: #224 Fenway_Nation
they were pretty riled up. The government has asked all Arabs Government to not recognize the vote.

95% of the people voted to get rid of Sharia in this tiny island

233 WhiteRasta  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:20:44am

re: #226 shanec99

Got it! Gotta run. Stay safe.

234 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:20:45am

re: #216 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well, you don’t sound crazy here. ;)

Anyway, I’m with you - I don’t try to understand evil either, because…I can’t. I just don’t get it. Mr. Blonde and I have had many a late-night discussion about the nature of evil, nature vs. nurture etc. and while we both have different takes on things, neither of us understand why some people are so frigging crazy, or evil.

235 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:21:17am

BTW, remembertonyc…..opening day for the Sox is coming up along w/the Stanley Cup playoffs. I’m torn as to when exactly I should be swapping my spoked gold & black spoked ‘B’ for the crimson ‘B’ on blue background….

/new to avatar etiquitte and supersticious as hell about it

236 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:21:35am

re: #214 shanec99

Dinner Jacket and an whole group flew to the Comoros to strengthen relations between Comoros and iran at the end of February to reduce the influence that western societies are having undermining Islam.
Well one of the four islands of Comoros had a decision to make,the choice was get rid of Sharia (child brides, polygamy etc) or join a western democracy (France).
95% of the people voted to get rid of Sharia and become a part of France.

The people who invited the Iranian President are mad… they protested at the French embassy.


i guess this explains why radical islam needs repressive environments to prosper. when given a choice, very few would choose it as a way of life.

237 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:22:08am

re: #229 ArmyWife

Insanity. We can’t apply logic to this, though that is our first inclination. We want to know what was wrong so we can fix it. We want it to follow our thought patterns, but it can’t.

Has anyone studied these people?

238 ArmyWife  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:22:15am

Headline on Huffpo:
NATO ALLIES REFUSE TO SEND COMBAT TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN

Are the tides changing?

239 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:22:23am

re: #233 WhiteRasta

Got it! Gotta run. Stay safe.


k…

240 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:22:41am

re: #231 MandyManners

I think it’s interesting to try to figure out why people who weren’t born into it convert to it.

It’s especially baffling why a woman not born into Islam would turn to a Wahhabi style version of it. I love my freedom.

241 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:22:48am

re: #225 _RememberTonyC

… and feed it halal meat …

Nah, save that for me, along with the haraam stuff as well. My personal motto is “Veni, Vidi, Vori” (I came, I saw, I ate it). ;)

242 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:23:33am

re: #241 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nah, save that for me, along with the haraam stuff as well. My personal motto is “Veni, Vidi, Vori” (I came, I saw, I ate it). ;)

BPBUY

*Beer and pork chops be upon you.

243 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:23:41am

re: #240 Chicago Blonde

It’s especially baffling why a woman not born into Islam would turn to a Wahhabi style version of it. I love my freedom.

Extreme masochism.

244 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:23:43am

re: #235 Fenway_Nation

BTW, remembertonyc…..opening day for the Sox is coming up along w/the Stanley Cup playoffs. I’m torn as to when exactly I should be swapping my spoked gold & black spoked ‘B’ for the crimson ‘B’ on blue background….

/new to avatar etiquitte and supersticious as hell about it


then just compromise and go with Celtic Green! I hope the Bruins have a nice run, even though I haven’t attended a NHL game in almost 12 years. The Celts are my team, followed by the Sawx. It’s a glorious time to be a Boston sports fan!

245 rawmuse  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:23:51am

Sentenced to 10 years, he will serve maybe 4 in prison, during which time he will convert another 100 to Islam.

There should be capital punishment in cases of treason. The actions of this man risked the lives of thousands of US personnel.

246 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:24:37am

Here is an article about it..
[Link: www.france24.com…]

and this is how the government reacted after the people voted to get rid of Sharia and become a part of France
[Link: www.ttc.org…]

247 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:24:40am

re: #242 Chicago Blonde

BPBUY

*Beer and pork chops be upon you.

Ribs, not pork chops……..:>))

248 opinionated  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:24:56am

Dear Navy Recruiters

This should be obvious, but just in case.

Please do not enlist any applicant(s) who recently converted to Islam and changed their name to Osama bin Laden Jr.

Thanks.

249 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:24:57am

re: #242 Chicago Blonde

BPBUY

*Beer and pork chops be upon you.

Pork chops, yeah! The beer and/or wine, nope, unless for cooking only. Give me distilled spirits any day for direct consumption. ;)

250 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:25:16am

re: #177 filetandrelease

The irony.

My first day on LGF, in the lounge, I was chastised for not answering a question concerning jihaad in the form of that quote. It always amuses me that this inner struggle nonsense is even thrown out by “islamic scholars”.

(I do know of course you understand it’s true meaning quite well)

Bet most islamic scholars hate being asked to explain takiya and kitman to infidels.

251 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:25:21am

re: #238 ArmyWife

Headline on Huffpo:
NATO ALLIES REFUSE TO SEND COMBAT TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN

Are the tides changing?

Their headline is wrong….
Extra Nato troops for Afghan elections

I’ve seen a few blogs crowing this morning about Obama’s failure to secure extra troops from the Euros.

252 yma o hyd  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #238 ArmyWife

Headline on Huffpo:
NATO ALLIES REFUSE TO SEND COMBAT TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN

Are the tides changing?

She’s behind the times …

Extra Nato troops for Afghan elections

Being charitable, lets blame it on the differen time zones …

253 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:25:38am

re: #247 Pietr

Ribs, not pork chops……..:>))

Upgrade. I concur.
For my money though, I’m dying for some nice pulled pork ‘cue on a bun, and a piece of strawberry rhubarb pie for dessert.

254 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:25:49am

re: #245 rawmuse

Sentenced to 10 years, he will serve maybe 4 in prison, during which time he will convert another 100 to Islam.

There should be capital punishment in cases of treason. The actions of this man risked the lives of thousands of US personnel.

Does federal prison have time off for good behavior?

255 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:25:54am

re: #247 Pietr

Ribs, not pork chops……..:>))

Chops make a decent change of pace from ribs.

256 Dustyvet  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:26:12am

re: #238 ArmyWife

Headline on Huffpo:
NATO ALLIES REFUSE TO SEND COMBAT TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN

Are the tides changing?


NATO expands its role in Afghanistan
04 Apr. 2009

NATO Heads of State and Government, meeting today at the Strasbourg-Kehl Summit, agreed to a number of new initiatives for Afghanistan, including a significant expansion of the training and support effort for Afghan National Security Forces, enhanced engagement with neighbouring countries and a more integrated approach to working with the International Community and the Afghan Government to implement the Afghan National Development Strategy (ANDS).

[Link: www.nato.int…]

257 Desert Dog  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:26:28am

re: #231 MandyManners

I think it’s interesting to try to figure out why people who weren’t born into it convert to it.


Good question. I think there are many reasons why people convert.

Perhaps they are outsiders in society and Islam offers them a place to be “accepted”?

Some seek spiritual fulfillment and Islam meets that need.

Some think they are victims of repression (racial, social, etc) and some strains of Islam offer an alternative that justifies their “victimhood” fetish.

Some are just stupid MoFo’s.

258 ArmyWife  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:26:30am

re: #237 MandyManners

Probably not - that wouldn’t be politically correct, now would it? Considering someone who chooses to join a bonafide (to the those on the left) religion as “insane” doesn’t fit with the current trend.

Think about it though - who would be attracted to a religioun that tells you killing is not only OK, it’s FANTASTIC? Or beat women or whatever - those who have urges to do such things, but don’t want to be considered crazy. In this religioun, their urges are ok, making them ok. This is based only on my opinions and my psych minor which gives me just enough to be dangerous but no where near an expert!

259 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:26:39am

re: #244 _RememberTonyC

then just compromise and go with Celtic Green! I hope the Bruins have a nice run, even though I haven’t attended a NHL game in almost 12 years. The Celts are my team, followed by the Sawx. It’s a glorious time to be a Boston sports fan!

Did you see how good Baby is playing? I’d love the see Boston repeat

260 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:26:40am

re: #249 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pork chops, yeah! The beer and/or wine, nope, unless for cooking only. Give me distilled spirits any day for direct consumption. ;)

Cool.
*hands over bottle of scotch, keeps nice bottle of claret for her and her spouse.*

261 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:27:17am

re: #257 Desert Dog

Good question. I think there are many reasons why people convert.

Perhaps they are outsiders in society and Islam offers them a place to be “accepted”?

Some seek spiritual fulfillment and Islam meets that need.

Some think they are victims of repression (racial, social, etc) and some strains of Islam offer an alternative that justifies their “victimhood” fetish.

Some are just stupid MoFo’s.

All sound good to me.

262 albusteve  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:27:24am

re: #251 Killgore Trout

Their headline is wrong….
Extra Nato troops for Afghan elections

I’ve seen a few blogs crowing this morning about Obama’s failure to secure extra troops from the Euros.

I read where the Nato troops are MP/police troops, not combat soldiers

263 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:27:26am

re: #253 Chicago Blonde

Upgrade. I concur.
For my money though, I’m dying for some nice pulled pork ‘cue on a bun, and a piece of strawberry rhubarb pie for dessert.

My missus was on about that recently (pulled pork BBQ), and she’s originally from Pittsburgh area…..:>))

264 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:27:56am

re: #245 rawmuse

Sentenced to 10 years, he will serve maybe 4 in prison, during which time he will convert another 100 to Islam.

There should be capital punishment in cases of treason. The actions of this man risked the lives of thousands of US personnel.

Since this was a crime perpetrated while the excrement was serving in the military, this should have never left military jurisdiction. No If, Ands, or Buts.

265 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:28:04am

re: #244 _RememberTonyC

I hope the Bruins have a nice run, even though I haven’t attended a NHL game in almost 12 years. The Celts are my team, followed by the Sawx. It’s a glorious time to be a Boston sports fan!

Nor argument here- Although you’ve been to an NHL game more recently than I’ve been to an NBA game

266 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:28:09am

re: #258 ArmyWife

Probably not - that wouldn’t be politically correct, now would it? Considering someone who chooses to join a bonafide (to the those on the left) religion as “insane” doesn’t fit with the current trend.

Think about it though - who would be attracted to a religioun that tells you killing is not only OK, it’s FANTASTIC? Or beat women or whatever - those who have urges to do such things, but don’t want to be considered crazy. In this religioun, their urges are ok, making them ok. This is based only on my opinions and my psych minor which gives me just enough to be dangerous but no where near an expert!

I’m thinking misogyny is a major factor.

267 Wendya  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:28:12am

10 years? He should hang from the mast of the USS Constitution.

268 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:28:18am

re: #263 Pietr

My missus was on about that recently (pulled pork BBQ), and she’s originally from Pittsburgh area…..:>))

Pietr, I think we may have already discussed this, but where exactly in the Pittsburgh area?

269 BignJames  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:28:46am

re: #247 Pietr

Ribs, not pork chops……..:>))


Gonna smoke some ribs tomorrow.

270 irongrampa  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:28:52am

re: #256 Dustyvet

Nice. Guess who’s going to be doing the heavy lifting (as usual)?

271 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:29:01am

re: #263 Pietr

My missus was on about that recently (pulled pork BBQ), and she’s originally from Pittsburgh area…..:>))

Mr. Blonde and I are both native to the Chicago area, but my people are southern. Once the first breath of spring kicks in, I start thinking about how I can fry or ‘cue our dinner. :)

272 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:29:03am

re: #237 MandyManners

Has anyone studied these people?

Actually for the better part of the last 2 years I have lived in coiuntries with populations greater than 95%, and I have never had a problem, its live and let live.
They drink beer, wine, whiskey, they go dancing… all the stuff you would find in the US, but you cant get a bacon or ham sandwich. You get used to the call to prayers… most of them are more concerned with paying the bills and avoiding taxes.

273 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:29:30am

re: #231 MandyManners

I think it’s interesting to try to figure out why people who weren’t born into it convert to it.

I find it hard enough to understand why I do the stupid things I do, I don’t need the headache of trying to understand why others do what they do.

274 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:29:46am

re: #272 shanec99

Actually for the better part of the last 2 years I have lived in coiuntries with populations greater than 95%, and I have never had a problem, its live and let live.
They drink beer, wine, whiskey, they go dancing… all the stuff you would find in the US, but you cant get a bacon or ham sandwich. You get used to the call to prayers… most of them are more concerned with paying the bills and avoiding taxes.

I’m thinking about those who convert, not those who are born into it.

275 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:29:48am

re: #266 MandyManners

I’m thinking misogyny is a major factor.

I think so too.

276 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:30:12am

re: #273 FurryOldGuyJeans

I find it hard enough to understand why I do the stupid things I do, I don’t need the headache of trying to understand why others do what they do.

Different strokes.

277 yesandno  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:30:21am

Look in the mirror folks. Had we not called these people terrorists, but the freedom fighters they are, they would have been like little fluffy bunnies and never attempted to harm anyone. It is all our fault

////Make the bastard walk the plank. If he survives in the middle of the Atlantic, he gets off for time served.

278 opinionated  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:30:29am

re: #231 MandyManners

I think it’s interesting to try to figure out why people who weren’t born into it convert to it.

For the hot girls.

279 ArmyWife  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:30:32am

re: #251 Killgore Trout

It’s not wrong - there is a difference in combat support v. police type protection. He got police type protection to assist with the elections - he did not get combat support troops.

280 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:30:50am

re: #275 Chicago Blonde

I wonder what they think of their mothers.

281 albusteve  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:31:00am

NATO troop deployment


[Link: www.cnn.com…]

282 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:31:02am

re: #262 albusteve

It’s a miracle they’re sending anything. The war in Afghanistan is very unpopular in Europe.

283 MandyManners  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:31:17am

re: #278 opinionated

For the hot girls.

I just spat out bits of peanuts.

284 jcm  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:31:31am

re: #257 Desert Dog

Good question. I think there are many reasons why people convert.

Perhaps they are outsiders in society and Islam offers them a place to be “accepted”?

Some seek spiritual fulfillment and Islam meets that need.

Some think they are victims of repression (racial, social, etc) and some strains of Islam offer an alternative that justifies their “victimhood” fetish.

Some are just stupid MoFo’s.

I know a couple.

There are parallels to liberalism. The individual is no longer responsible, it’s the Will of Allah. Islam doesn’t have much room for individual choice either.

The ones I know prefer the “control” exerted by Islam.

285 Desert Dog  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:31:34am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

It’s a miracle they’re sending anything. The war in Afghanistan is very unpopular in Europe.

FTFY

286 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:32:27am

BBIAB

287 hazzyday  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:32:45am

re: #234 Chicago Blonde

Well, you don’t sound crazy here. ;)

Anyway, I’m with you - I don’t try to understand evil either, because…I can’t. I just don’t get it. Mr. Blonde and I have had many a late-night discussion about the nature of evil, nature vs. nurture etc. and while we both have different takes on things, neither of us understand why some people are so frigging crazy, or evil.

For me Good is something that has a vibrating quality that attracts people to good thoughts. Evil is something that brings a person to the unwholesome qualities of life. In religious terms it is engaging knowingly in sin and not caring about it. Little things can creep into large evil things.

288 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:32:54am

re: #281 albusteve

…America’s NATO allies and partners have agreed to supply more combat troops to help shore up security during Afghan elections later this year.

More trainers have also been pledged for the police and army, and an expansion of a trust fund to help sustain Afghan security forces is in the works. Obama talked about achieving an increase in non-military assistance, such as doctors, engineers, educators and agricultural specialists.

America’s NATO allies are pledging 5,000 more troops: 3,000 for the upcoming Afghan election security, 1,400 to 2,000 troops embedded with Afghan soldiers, and 400 police trainers.


I don’t see anything to object to there.

289 rawmuse  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:33:15am

re: #254 MandyManners

Does federal prison have time off for good behavior?

Don’t know, but there are political moves afoot to set John Lindh free even as we speak.

290 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:33:47am

re: #288 Killgore Trout

If I’m not mistaken, it’s just for the duration of the election.

291 albusteve  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:34:12am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

It’s a miracle they’re sending anything. The war in Afghanistan is very unpopular in Europe.

it’s very unpopular at my place too….I don’t like what’s happening over there at all…half measures just cause more casualties…there is no plan to take down the Taliban that I know of….shit or get off the pot…actually I think Afghanistan is lost already

292 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:34:28am

re: #269 BignJames

Gonna smoke some ribs tomorrow.

What kind of ribs? Wood, charcoal, gas? What kind of wood? Rub or sauce? Details, man! Details!

293 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:34:37am

re: #274 MandyManners

I’m thinking about those who convert, not those who are born into it.


I dont know too many converts, I do know a lot of people who were born Muslim here in Africa… most of them don’t really make a fuss, they may go to Mosque on Friday at noon… then Friday night you see them at the hotel bar having a scotch and soda.
Islam in Africa is not the same as the kind of Islam I saw in Iraq, Saudi Arabia or Kuwait.

294 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:34:51am

re: #268 goddessoftheclassroom

Pietr, I think we may have already discussed this, but where exactly in the Pittsburgh area?

A small town west of McDonald, which is west of Pitt (like going to the airport)….little town of Primrose…..:>))

PS-since I have your attention, please add my Aunt Doris to the prayer list, also-she is in the hospital with a bad prognosis, I’m told….that’s 2-I’m waiting for the 3rd ill event….

295 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:35:07am

re: #290 Fenway_Nation

I think a surge around election time could be a good thing.

296 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:35:15am

re: #289 rawmuse

Don’t know, but there are political moves afoot to set John Lindh free even as we speak.

Hopefully we set him out the back of a C-130 over the North Pole.

297 Wishing  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:35:36am

re: #259 HoosierHoops

Did you see how good Baby is playing? I’d love the see Boston repeat

Who do you have winning tonight, hoops?

298 ArmyWife  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:35:39am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Perhaps - but he asked for combat support and he didn’t get it. Remember when we heard that W was a big loser because he couldn’t rally any “big name” countries into helping, unlike the Great Communicator who will have them BEGGING to support us? Not so much, I guess.

What scares me is our guys will be going in under a CIC who doesn’t know shizzle from shinola about leading troops or warfare in general. A dear friend leaves next week.

299 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:35:44am

re: #291 albusteve

I would’ve disagreed with you up until the 0bama Admin. Taliban outreach program.

300 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:35:44am

re: #291 albusteve

actually I think Afghanistan is lost already


Quagmire!

301 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:36:04am

re: #295 Killgore Trout


But no commitment beyond that.

302 albusteve  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:36:08am

re: #288 Killgore Trout

I don’t see anything to object to there.

not enough man power….it’s a pittance but better than nothing

303 ConservatismNow!  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:36:11am

re: #300 Killgore Trout

Quagmire!

Giggity giggity! Oh!

304 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:36:22am

re: #260 Chicago Blonde

Cool.
*hands over bottle of scotch, keeps nice bottle of claret for her and her spouse.*

Scotch. PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT! White Lightning! ;)

305 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:36:30am

re: #259 HoosierHoops

Did you see how good Baby is playing? I’d love the see Boston repeat

if KG is healthy and leon powe is OK, Boston will win again. Cleveland can be neutralized in a long series and the lakers lack the hoop IQ and mental toughness.

306 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:36:34am

re: #303 ConservatismNow!

Heh.

307 hellosnackbar  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:37:33am

re #159 Walter L Newton.
Baron Cohen is totally fearless,
Can’t think how he keeps a straight face with his victims(ie those not in on the joke).
I thought the OJ joke was good.
One salivates at the thought of him assuming the role of a sceptical muslim making the Haj.

308 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:38:06am

re: #265 Fenway_Nation

Nor argument here- Although you’ve been to an NHL game more recently than I’ve been to an NBA game


luckily for me, sports is more than a mere hobby. I am incredibly lucky!

309 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:38:16am

re: #283 MandyManners

I just spat out bits of peanuts.

Would it have helped if he had said, “for the bag ladies”?

310 shanec99  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:38:21am

re: #283 MandyManners

I just spat out bits of peanuts.


Man I have seen some Algerian and Lebanese girls … good lord… they are lovely… skin tight desighner jeans, halter tops, lipstick, make up…. dancing at the club… and they tell you they are Muslim.
Its not like Saudi Arabia where they wear the damned black bags and only allow you to see their eyes.

311 albusteve  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:38:31am

re: #299 Fenway_Nation

I would’ve disagreed with you up until the 0bama Admin. Taliban outreach program.

well what can you say?….that about sums it up and look what their response was…they are laughing all the goatroast at us…and they should

312 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:39:10am

re: #297 Wishing

Who do you have winning tonight, hoops?

Hey there!
My brackets are busted…I had Louisville vs Pitt in the final..
I have never once in my life have ever picked the winner…Not one time!
If I tell you who I think will win tonight…Would anyone in his right mind care?
LOL

313 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:41:42am

re: #294 Pietr

A small town west of McDonald, which is west of Pitt (like going to the airport)….little town of Primrose…..:>))

PS-since I have your attention, please add my Aunt Doris to the prayer list, also-she is in the hospital with a bad prognosis, I’m told….that’s 2-I’m waiting for the 3rd ill event….

{Piete}
Done,

314 Chicago Blonde  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 11:50:13am

re: #287 hazzyday

Little things can creep into large evil things.

They sure can.

315 NearOcean  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:03:02pm

40 lashes then hang him! Offer the proceedings on pay per view. Help to pay off the debt.

316 BignJames  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:04:03pm

re: #292 ConservatismNow!

What kind of ribs? Wood, charcoal, gas? What kind of wood? Rub or sauce? Details, man! Details!

Probably baby back pork ribs……someone here turned me on to Bradley electric smokers last year…..no fuss no muss….I’ll smoke ‘em about 6 hrs @200 using pecan bisquits.

317 BignJames  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:07:03pm

re: #316 BignJames


And sauce…Lexington style.

318 Pietr  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:22:28pm

re: #316 BignJames

Probably baby back pork ribs……someone here turned me on to Bradley electric smokers last year…..no fuss no muss….I’ll smoke ‘em about 6 hrs @200 using pecan bisquits.

I smoke about 10 minutes a side, with the ribs sticking out of their marinade(in a large pan, charcoal grill). I then cover and cook off the coals about1 1/2 to 2 hours. When the bones are pulling loose, I add more wood chips for smoke, then move the ribs (ribs only, no pan with marinade) to the coal side to brown, checking and turning every 5 minutes-I hate burnt/overdone ribs, but love ‘em tender….:>))

319 Tamron  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:43:46pm

2009 CURE FOR CONSTIPATION:

If you are bothered by occasional or frequent constipation, repeat the following phrase slowly, three times in succession:

“My financial and personal well being are totally in the hands of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Tim Geithner, Rahm Emmanual, Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd.”


Caution: Potential side effects may include immediate nausea and vomiting.
.

320 Perplexed  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:49:03pm

10 years? Nice start.

321 axegrinder  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 12:53:35pm

re: #320 Perplexed

10 years? Nice start.

He’ll be popular. I’m guessing solitary confinement.

322 MJBrutus  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:29:59pm

A Federal Court in DC ruled that a prisoner at Bagram is entitled to the Gitmo ruling. Meaning, that now prisoners captured and detained in a war zone are entitled to Constitutional protections! That’s right, every scum bag who ever get caught fighting against us or killing locals is now supposedly entitled to lawyers and all the rest. Our soldiers no longer just have to worry about staying alive and killing or capturing our enemies, now they have to be CSIs as well. I wonder if he’ll be released because he wasn’t read his rights in his native language?

323 frater eosphoros  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 3:30:04pm

Death.

324 SevoGuy  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:16:14pm

Muslim convert Paul R. Hall sentenced to 10 years in prison on earth and sentenced to hell for eternity for worshiping the Satanic god of islam, called allah.

325 nines09  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:27:36pm

YES.

326 I Need A Bigger Gun  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 4:57:35pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

I’ve done a couple gigs on CAV’s..Enterprise and the Lincoln..A night launch of an F-14 is one of the most beautiful sights ever

Got a chance to see night launches of Tomcats while on the Forrestal. We didn’t have any F-14 squadrons of our own (supposedly our JBD’s couldn’t handle ‘em…heh) but had a squadron from the Nimitz do some carrier quals during one jaunt. You’re right, it’s an incredible sight.

327 Hanoch  Sat, Apr 4, 2009 7:02:12pm

re: #222 opinionated

You hit the nail on the head.

328 Shane  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 7:25:07am

I beleive anyone who works for the US government in a security role of any nature that spys for a foreign country should be executed when found guilty. By its nature, the act of spying for another country or entity is an act of pre-meditated murder against citizens of your country. The information is used to defeat or kill US citizens so if a person does it, they should be executed promptly. I would also support entities like the military and the CIA cleaning their own house and not having the trial.

329 Render  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 8:25:23am

Is there a viable explanation for why this guy got a more lenient sentence then the Walkers (life), Pollard (life in solitary), Clayton Lonetree (30 years), or Richard Miller (life)?

NOPE,
R

330 Twenglish  Sun, Apr 5, 2009 10:11:14pm

Let’s not forget this guy Hall is going to receive a dishonorable discharge From Navy BuPers after he serves out his sentence ,.

Wanna bet this guy lands himself a good job and regains his future somehow with the help of the home front Jihadist movement after he gets out ?.

If thats true It’s over folks, what used to be the United States is just a country waiting to be conquered .

I hope the U.S. Marine guards cripple that butt hole in the meantime .

331 AZDave  Mon, Apr 6, 2009 12:14:16pm

re: #3 Noam Sayin’

Doesn’t ‘abu’ mean “father of…”?

I always thought “abu” was Arabic for “asshole” as in Mahmoud Ridha Abbas aka Abu Mazen. Tell me Abbas isn’t an asshole.


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