Now included on Britain’s list of “undesirables” banned from entering the country (along with a host of Islamic militants and hate preachers): Don Black of Stormfront and radio screamer Michael Savage.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 5, 2009 9:08:02am |
Do the Brits call "Martyr Cookies" "Martyr Biscuits"?
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Kragar Tue, May 5, 2009 9:09:19am |
Meanwhile, unemployed Muslims with 5 wives will be encouraged to visit, settle down and live off the welfare system.
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alexknyc Tue, May 5, 2009 9:09:59am |
re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Meanwhile, unemployed Muslims with 5 wives will be encouraged to visit, settle down and live off the welfare system.
And demand the implementation of sharia law
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Russkilitlover Tue, May 5, 2009 9:10:00am |
No doubt Savage will rant and rave and get all self-righteous. I've only heard him a couple of times and this is my take how he'll react. He'll cloak himself in a mantle of pride for his outspokeness.
I, however, would be ashamed, discgraced, and self-reflective if I had a COUNTRY proclaim me "unwanted."
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:10:56am |
Distasteful as I find Michael Savage, I think his inclusion on a no-entry list that's primarily made up of jihadists and the occasional neo-Nazi to be, well, overkill.
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KingKenrod Tue, May 5, 2009 9:11:50am |
I don't want him in my country either.
Savage doesn't rise to the level of any of the other scum on the list, though.
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Anthony (Los Angeles) Tue, May 5, 2009 9:12:01am |
Savage annoys the hell out of me, but banning him and putting him in the same category as Islamic fascists is a bit much.
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Default_UserID Tue, May 5, 2009 9:12:16am |
This will only increase Savage's ratings. Being the psychological train wreck that he is, one can easily predict his opening rant for tonight's show which will probably include a call for the immediate carpet bombing of the UK with tactical nukes.
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dhg4 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:12:56am |
re: #6 Czarny_Smok
Does anyone really listen to Savage anymore?
I would think so. A few years ago my local radio station dropped Michael Reagen and picked up Savage. I do not listen that time slot anymore. I expect that if no one was listening to him the station would have brought back Reagan.
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LGoPs Tue, May 5, 2009 9:13:07am |
I don't listen to Savage but the precedent being set is troubling. Who decides and who defines what is hateful.
If we can argue into infinity what the meaning of the word is is, imagine the arguments over what constitutes unacceptable views.
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lawhawk Tue, May 5, 2009 9:13:18am |
Again, this is a tough call. US free speech allows both, but both the execrable Black and Savage aren't in the US. They're in the UK, where the free speech laws are different.
It would be nice if all the world had the same respect for free speech that the US does, but that's simply not the case. They have instead sought to ban their presence, even though one can just as easily obtain what they have to say online. Their physical presence in the UK would actually make it easier to fight their hate speech and inane statements with more statements - shedding light on their racism and anti-Semitism (in Black's case) and stupidity in Savage's case. Instead, they'll slink around the corners and fringes by getting their message spread online.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 9:13:27am |
It's also good to see this guy on the Britian's Least Wanted list:
FRED WALDRON PHELPS SNR & SHIRLEY PHELPS-ROPER
American pastor and leading spokesman of Westboro Baptist Church. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by fostering hatred that might lead to inter-community violence in the UK.The 79-year-old and his daughter are barred for their anti-gay comments. Both have picketed the funerals of Aids victims and have claimed the deaths of American soldiers are a punishment for US tolerance of homosexuality.
There's a bunch of other sweeties like that on the list. It's a veritable rouges gallery of racists, jerkoffs, and dipshits.
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:13:39am |
re: #8 Russkilitlover
No doubt Savage will rant and rave and get all self-righteous. I've only heard him a couple of times and this is my take how he'll react. He'll cloak himself in a mantle of pride for his outspokeness.
I, however, would be ashamed, discgraced, and self-reflective if I had a COUNTRY proclaim me "unwanted."
Really? I could name of bunch of places I wouldn't mind being banned in/from.
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KingKenrod Tue, May 5, 2009 9:13:42am |
re: #9 Occasional Reader
Distasteful as I find Michael Savage, I think his inclusion on a no-entry list that's primarily made up of jihadists and the occasional neo-Nazi to be, well, overkill.
The list is just a publicity stunt.
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Altermite Tue, May 5, 2009 9:14:41am |
Savage is a crazy fellow. Honestly, a lot of the crap he says is just as viscous as the other folks on the list. He just spreads it around to everyone thats not him.
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turn Tue, May 5, 2009 9:14:41am |
re: #9 Occasional Reader
Distasteful as I find Michael Savage, I think his inclusion on a no-entry list that's primarily made up of jihadists and the occasional neo-Nazi to be, well, overkill.
The MIL listens to Savage. I don't think I've ever listened to him, well not intentionally anyway. At any rate I think Britain has their priorities way out of whack on this one too.
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filetandrelease Tue, May 5, 2009 9:14:53am |
re: #8 Russkilitlover
I, however, would be ashamed, discgraced, and self-reflective if I had a COUNTRY proclaim me "unwanted."
I would feel the same if my country banned Michael Savage.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 9:15:06am |
re: #18 Sharmuta
Why isn't Ayers on this list?
Bill Ayres and his lovely bomb-making wife should also be on that list.
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:15:46am |
So, Jews cannot go to the Magic Kingdom, right?
Should they be ashamed?
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:16:15am |
re: #18 Sharmuta
Why isn't Ayers on this list?
re: #25 Honorary Yooper
Bill Ayres and his lovely bomb-making wife should also be on that list.
There are no enemies on the left, no extremists, no radicals. Only activists and idealists, whose embrace of the leftist progressive vision is more complete, more sincere, than the average.
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debutaunt Tue, May 5, 2009 9:16:21am |
re: #25 Honorary Yooper
Bill Ayres and his lovely bomb-making wife should also be on that list.
Those two would make interesting neighbors.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 9:16:26am |
I certainly hope this list gets some other nefarious people added to it, like Ayers and his lovely wife, and other left wing and right wing extremists.
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:16:49am |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 5, 2009 9:17:07am |
re: #6 Czarny_Smok
Does anyone really listen to Savage anymore?
Sad to say, my best friend still does. I make a point of cutting him off whenever he brings Savage up. I don't listen to talk radio myself.
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debutaunt Tue, May 5, 2009 9:17:32am |
re: #30 OldLineTexan
Yes, any party would be a blast.
Lets have the Ayers couple over - edgy as hell.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 9:17:46am |
List seems to be pretty equal opportunity. Diversity? That list is diverse.
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Ben Hur Tue, May 5, 2009 9:17:57am |
Not to Britain: The opposite of Muslim in not Jewish.
You don't HAVE to have a Jew (that no one's ever even heard of) to add PC BALANCE to your list.
In the comments to David's recent post on Jacqui Smith's list of people denied access to Britain, Not A Sheep has pointed out an example of BBC bias that achieves a sort of holy perfection.
Take a look at this BBC effort to inform the public: Who is on UK 'least wanted' list?. What do Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal, Yunis Al Astal, Safval Hijazi and the wonderfully named Wadgy Abd El Hameid Mohamed Ghoneim all have in common? That's right. They are all preachers. Of something or other. Mike Guzovsky, however, is a Jewish militant.
Oops, sorry. I got that wrong. Amir Siddique is the fourth preacher-of-no-particular-message. Wadgy Abd El Hameid Mohamed Ghoneim is actually a "speaker and writer". He speaks and writes about we know not what.
As Not A Sheep says:
...there are eight Muslim "extremists" on the list (four of whom are described as preachers) but only one is identified as a follower of Islam, there is one Jew on the list and his religion is identified in the first word of his description, the American pastor's religion is not directly named but as he is a "pastor" of a "Baptist church" that is not too tricky to deduce.
So my question to the BBC is this: why is it relevant to identify the religions of the one Jew and the one Christian (couple) on the list but in the majority of cases to leave the religion of Muslims on the list unidentified?
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vxbush Tue, May 5, 2009 9:18:00am |
re: #27 Guanxi88
There are no enemies on the left, no extremists, no radicals. Only activists and idealists, whose embrace of the leftist progressive vision is more complete, more sincere, than the average.
Wow. You've apparently figured out the formula for the Kool-aid. Well done.
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turn Tue, May 5, 2009 9:18:03am |
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filetandrelease Tue, May 5, 2009 9:18:32am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 9:18:38am |
We have a list. Don't we? Bet it has more than 16 names on it.
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LGoPs Tue, May 5, 2009 9:19:16am |
re: #28 debutaunt
Those two would make interesting neighbors.
I think the only TV channel they watch is TNT.......
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:19:21am |
re: #34 Ben Hur
What do Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal, Yunis Al Astal, Safval Hijazi and the wonderfully named Wadgy Abd El Hameid Mohamed Ghoneim all have in common? That's right. They are all preachers. Of something or other. Mike Guzovsky, however, is a Jewish militant.
Yep, I noticed that, too.
I'm guessing those other guys are probably Lutherans.
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harrylook Tue, May 5, 2009 9:19:26am |
Never listened to Savage, but the whole idea of banning someone for their ideas can't really make much sense to most americans, I would think.
I wonder how Britain would react if the US banned George Galloway (banned in Canada, if I remember right?) and Ken Livingston.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 9:19:43am |
re: #17 Honorary Yooper
... It's a veritable rouges gallery of racists, jerkoffs, and dipshits.
Sounds like Congress ...
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 9:19:54am |
re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
We have a list. Don't we? Bet it has more than 16 names on it.
Yes, we have a list. IIRC, it even includes Yousef Islam, aka Cat Stevens.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 5, 2009 9:20:12am |
My issue with Savage is the same as with Beck. There are a few things I agree with him/them about, but there are so many negatives that I need to take a shower if I stay around their shows too long.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:20:46am |
re: #43 Honorary Yooper
Yes, we have a list. IIRC, it even includes Yousef Islam, aka Cat Stevens.
It also at least used to include Gabriel García Márquez, at least back in the Reagan days. Don't know about his current status.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 9:21:05am |
Anybody know more of this guy:
MIKE GUZOVSKYJewish militant. Leader of a violent group and actively involved with military training camps.
He seems to be associated with Kahanists, and has something called the Jewish Legion, apparently defending "settlements", but the web sources aren't the greatest.
Just let me know, but leave out the editorializing, especially that in favor of Kahanist groups, lest you incur the wrath of Stinky.
Interesting, though, how many on the list would not be able to get along with each other.
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LGoPs Tue, May 5, 2009 9:21:09am |
re: #43 Honorary Yooper
Yes, we have a list. IIRC, it even includes Yousef Islam, aka Cat Stevens.
Cat is a pussy....
/
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brookly red Tue, May 5, 2009 9:21:17am |
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irving Tue, May 5, 2009 9:21:43am |
I also find Michael Savage undesirable. And while I'm unthrilled with the idea of banning him from a country for his views, Great Britain does do it differently than us on these issues. (When I have time and if someone who knows much more about it than me hasn't weighed in, I'll try to research it.)
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 9:21:44am |
My name isn't on that list. Last I looked I was able to get into Great Britain, but I bet my name is on a few shit lists. I know it's on my sisters.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 9:22:18am |
re: #48 brookly red
Hey! that's my line :)
Imitation is the highest form of flattery. :-)
/Yeah, that's the ticket ...
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 9:22:29am |
re: #26 OldLineTexan
So, Jews cannot go to the Magic Kingdom, right?
Should they be ashamed?
The Saudis should be ashamed, yes.
Oh, you wanted to know if Jews should be ashamed of not being allowed in Saudi Arabia. Well, I'm not.
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saberry0530 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:22:34am |
re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
We have a list. Don't we? Bet it has more than 16 names on it.
At last count 1.23 million
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:22:52am |
re: #46 Kosh's Shadow
Anybody know more of this guy:
He seems to be associated with Kahanists, and has something called the Jewish Legion, apparently defending "settlements", but the web sources aren't the greatest.
Just let me know, but leave out the editorializing, especially that in favor of Kahanist groups, lest you incur the wrath of Stinky.Interesting, though, how many on the list would not be able to get along with each other.
Isn't that one of those Hilltop Youth linked things? The Jewish Legion, I've heard of them - not exactly outright Kahanists, but pretty much in the same zip code, same block, and maybe even the same building, ideologically.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 9:23:03am |
Is our list public? I'd like to see it. You know; to facilitate the pointing and scoffing.
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, May 5, 2009 9:23:12am |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 5, 2009 9:23:26am |
My son is Michael Savage's favorite Jew. Really.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 9:23:45am |
re: #41 harrylook
Never listened to Savage, but the whole idea of banning someone for their ideas can't really make much sense to most americans, I would think.
I wonder how Britain would react if the US banned George Galloway (banned in Canada, if I remember right?) and Ken Livingston.
It does seem strange to me too, as an American, but the fact is a sovereign nation has the right to enforce their border. I'm surprised Geert Wilders and other neo-fascists are not on this list since they recently barred him from entry. This cannot be the full list. If it is, then I'm shocked.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 9:23:50am |
re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is our list public? I'd like to see it. You know; to facilitate the pointing and scoffing.
Write a nasty note to the White House, and you might get a look at that list from the inside out.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 9:24:03am |
re: #34 Ben Hur
Mike Guzovsky is a former Kahane Chai member, and apparently is still active as a militant. That should tell you a lot about him. He's earned his place on the list.
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AMER1CAN Tue, May 5, 2009 9:24:34am |
Savage has been on the sauce (booze) for so long I don't know how many cognizant brain cells he has left.
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:24:38am |
re: #53 Kosh's Shadow
The Saudis should be ashamed, yes.
Oh, you wanted to know if Jews should be ashamed of not being allowed in Saudi Arabia. Well, I'm not.
Someone upthread would be "ashamed" if they were on a "banned" list.
I can think of instances where I would be PROUD.
That is one.
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:25:14am |
re: #62 AMER1CAN
Savage has been on the sauce (booze) for so long I don't know how many cognizant brain cells he has left.
Are you his bartender?
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gruvin Tue, May 5, 2009 9:25:16am |
And I thought the Brits had a sense of humour.....
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yesandno Tue, May 5, 2009 9:25:21am |
re: #15 LGoPs
I don't listen to Savage but the precedent being set is troubling. Who decides and who defines what is hateful.
If we can argue into infinity what the meaning of the word is is, imagine the arguments over what constitutes unacceptable views.
You hit the nail on the head. We forget that we protect freedom of speech to a greater degree then any other nation. This is what happens when you criminalize actions and thoughts into things like hate crimes or hate speech. Sometimes the majority doesn't get it right. A crime is a crime. Making it a hate crime doesn't really make something like murder any worse...it might explain intent, but the result is the same.
Freedom of speech needs to be protected everywhere.... The Brits are more concerned with feelings then with freedom...no cartoons either.
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:25:21am |
re: #35 vxbush
Wow. You've apparently figured out the formula for the Kool-aid. Well done.
Not too hard to do, really. All you need to do is come up with the most obsequious parody possible of the party lackey's indicating his absolutely slavish submission to whatever it might be, and you're in solid.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 5, 2009 9:25:42am |
Dear President Obama ... these are the people you are sucking up to:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
I think their fists may still be clenched. Where the f*ck is your moral compass anyway?
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:25:58am |
re: #59 Sharmuta
It does seem strange to me too, as an American, but the fact is a sovereign nation has the right to enforce their border. I'm surprised Geert Wilders and other neo-fascists are not on this list since they recently barred him from entry. This cannot be the full list. If it is, then I'm shocked.
Not the US, and not the southern border. Because that makes you a racist.
/
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iLikeCandy Tue, May 5, 2009 9:26:21am |
His views on immigration, Islam, rape and autism have caused great offence in the US.
Autism?
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:26:58am |
As an American who was raised to treasure (and defend) the Constitution - including the First Amendment of course - I'm a little troubled by the idea of banning speech (with the obvious caveats of course). I know the UK is a different animal, but when we start creating lists of people who should be banned because of their speech, we start down a road that leads to very dark places.
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:27:08am |
This is ridiculous. I'm no fan of Savage, but banning him from Britain is just insane.
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Altermite Tue, May 5, 2009 9:27:17am |
re: #58 Alouette
My son is Michael Savage's favorite Jew. Really.
Mike Savage is Mike Savage's favorite jew. Mike Savage was born jewish, apparently
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AMER1CAN Tue, May 5, 2009 9:27:32am |
re: #64 OldLineTexan
Are you his bartender?
He use to always talk about how much he loved red wine. You listen to the show long enough you know when Savage has had too many glasses before the show. This was many years ago. I stopped listening to him around 2003. All he would do basically is scream at the radio! lol
If he has changed since then, please let me know.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 5, 2009 9:27:46am |
re: #68 _RememberTonyC
Dear President Obama ... these are the people you are sucking up to:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
I think their fists may still be clenched. Where the f*ck is your moral compass anyway?
His moral compass points hard left.
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Russkilitlover Tue, May 5, 2009 9:27:51am |
re: #45 Occasional Reader
It also at least used to include Gabriel García Márquez, at least back in the Reagan days. Don't know about his current status.
For inflicting 100 Days of Solitude on the literary world?
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mike(in)savage Tue, May 5, 2009 9:28:24am |
My name is Mike and I live in Savage.
Can I come in?
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:28:51am |
re: #74 AMER1CAN
He use to always talk about how much he loved red wine. You listen to the show long enough you know when Savage has had too many glasses before the show. This was many years ago. I stopped listening to him around 2003. All he would do basically is scream at the radio! lol
If he has changed since then, please let me know.
I sometimes listen to five minutes or so on the way home (short commute) if he's not having a verbal seizure.
But since I live with an alcoholic, I take great care in tossing the label about.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:28:53am |
re: #76 Russkilitlover
For inflicting 100
DaysYears of Solitude on the literary world?
Hey, I liked One Hundred Years of Solitude.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 5, 2009 9:29:05am |
re: #73 Altermite
Mike Savage is Mike Savage's favorite jew. Mike Savage was born jewish, apparently
You're right. My son is Mike Savage's second favorite Jew. (He has introduced my son to his friends as "my favorite Jew")
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filetandrelease Tue, May 5, 2009 9:29:13am |
re: #70 iLikeCandy
Autism?
If I recall correctly, his views on autism is that it is over diagnoised, similar to ADD. Not sure his controversy over rape.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 9:29:15am |
"Israel has to work for a two state-solution. You're not going to like my saying this, but not build more settlements, dismantle existing outposts and allow Palestinians freedom of movement ... and access to economic opportunity," Biden told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
Biden also said the Palestinian Authority "must combat terror and incitement against Israel."
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
I am so sick of this. Israel has ALWAYS committed itself to a 2 state solution. We can debate whether that is suicidal or not later, but to date, no one in the Israeli government has "Officially" back away from that "negotiable" concept. But the Palestinians have NEVER stopped the violence or incitement against Jews and Israel. Some of these morons really should take a history course.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 9:29:20am |
There are other members of the Weathermen that should be on this list. Hell- these people barred Martha Stewart because of her conviction. I can't believe this is the full list.
However- it is nice to see them take radical jihadis seriously enough to have included them.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 9:29:47am |
re: #70 iLikeCandy
Autism?
Yes. This is from the Chicago Tribune regarding that:
Michael Savage, autism comment
Savage made the remarks last week during a broadcast of his radio show, sparking a firestorm among autism groups. The host said autism is the "illness du jour" and children do not have a father around to tell them to stop acting like a "putz."
"You know what autism is? I'll tell you what autism is," according to a copy of the broadcast captured on mediamatters.org. "In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is."
I'm sure he's said more.
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SummerSong Tue, May 5, 2009 9:30:02am |
Fairly hefty buys on Citibank going by...re: #77 mike(in)savage
My name is Mike and I live in Savage.
Can I come in?
Savage, MD?
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:30:18am |
re: #70 iLikeCandy
Autism?
Yes, it's his belief that a certain portion of the increase in diagnosis of Autistic Spectrum Disorders is the result of an expansion of the diagnostic criteria; in essence, the term has become so broad as to be meaningless. He compared it to describing myopia as a Blindness Spectrum Disorder.
Took a lot of flack for that.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 5, 2009 9:30:22am |
re: #53 Kosh's Shadow
The Saudis should be ashamed, yes.
being a wahabbi means never having to be ashamed of anything.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:30:25am |
re: #83 Sharmuta
There are other members of the Weathermen that should be on this list
Me, I've always been suspicious of Al Roker.
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:30:30am |
re: #83 Sharmuta
There are other members of the Weathermen that should be on this list. Hell- these people barred Martha Stewart because of her conviction. I can't believe this is the full list.
However- it is nice to see them take radical jihadis seriously enough to have included them.
Martha Stewart! ... slowly I turned ... step by step ... inch by inch ...
/watch her, she may redecorate something
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 9:30:40am |
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 5, 2009 9:31:05am |
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brookly red Tue, May 5, 2009 9:31:27am |
re: #73 Altermite
Mike Savage is Mike Savage's favorite jew. Mike Savage was born jewish, apparently
Michale Ostermyer I think, could be wrong.
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cubbydave44 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:31:28am |
I listen to Savage and enjoy his shtick every once in a while.
But people, come on... I honestly wonder if any of the people that made that list have actually listened to his show before, or if they are just going off of pre-fabricated opinions formed by others (like many on this forum...).
Anyways, seems like if you are going to close the door to Savage, there are much much more that need to be included on that list.
It is silly..., just sayin...
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KansasMom Tue, May 5, 2009 9:31:43am |
re: #70 iLikeCandy
Autism?
He said something to the effect of Autistic kids are just brats whose parents let them get away with their behavior. I don't remember the exact quote, but it was asinine and enraged parents of autistic kids at the time.
I would hope that isn't the reason for putting him on the banned list though.
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tfc3rid Tue, May 5, 2009 9:31:48am |
re: #84 Honorary Yooper
The day after he said that stuff, he had on Autism activists to make amends...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 9:31:54am |
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, May 5, 2009 9:32:00am |
re: #43 Honorary Yooper
Yes, we have a list. IIRC, it even includes Yousef Islam, aka Cat Stevens.
Yousef Islam. Roughly translated Joe Submission.
I always laugh a little at that name. I can't help but think about how others might change their names in a like manner upon conversion to other religions.
Jesus Christian
Benjamin Jew
Ang Shinto
Kartek Hindu
Bob Baptist
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 9:32:05am |
re: #87 _RememberTonyC
The Saudis should be ashamed, yes.
being a wahabbi means never having to be ashamed of anything.
Actually I think that being a wahabbi means being ashamed of everything and lashing out violently because of it.
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Russkilitlover Tue, May 5, 2009 9:32:11am |
re: #79 Occasional Reader
Hey, I liked One Hundred Years of Solitude.
My mind was thinking years, my fingers typed days. I should NOT work on my department budget today!
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experiencedtraveller Tue, May 5, 2009 9:32:13am |
re: #79 Occasional Reader
Hey, I liked One Hundred Years of Solitude.
I thought The General in his Labyrinth was a good read...
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:32:33am |
re: #83 Sharmuta
I can't believe this is the full list.
It's not.
Sixteen people banned from entering the UK since October last year for fostering extremism or hatred have been named by the Home Office for the first time.
A total of 22 people have been excluded in that time, although the identities of six of them have been withheld by the government in the "public interest".
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tfc3rid Tue, May 5, 2009 9:32:56am |
re: #88 Occasional Reader
Me, I've always been suspicious of Al Roker.
Whaever happened to Mark McEven... Hmmmmmmmmm
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charles_martel Tue, May 5, 2009 9:34:18am |
I don't like the guy and never listen to him, but to ban him and keep terrorists on the dole is asinine. Britain is doomed.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 5, 2009 9:34:22am |
re: #82 Nevergiveup
"Israel has to work for a two state-solution. You're not going to like my saying this, but not build more settlements, dismantle existing outposts and allow Palestinians freedom of movement ... and access to economic opportunity," Biden told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
Biden also said the Palestinian Authority "must combat terror and incitement against Israel."
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
I am so sick of this. Israel has ALWAYS committed itself to a 2 state solution. We can debate whether that is suicidal or not later, but to date, no one in the Israeli government has "Officially" back away from that "negotiable" concept. But the Palestinians have NEVER stopped the violence or incitement against Jews and Israel. Some of these morons really should take a history course.
Also worthy of note: Israel has often attempted to give Palestinians "freedom of movement ... and access to economic opportunity". Every attempt has had to be ended after the Palis used those opportunities to launch terrorist attacks. That might not have been reason enough had the Palestinian public condemned the attacks or even remained silent about them. What they did, however, was to celebrate the murder of Jews. Well if they want to identify with murders, they can pay the price for that.
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Mr Spiffy Tue, May 5, 2009 9:34:32am |
re: #41 harrylook
I wonder how Britain would react if the US banned George Galloway (banned in Canada, if I remember right?) and Ken Livingston.
jealous
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albusteve Tue, May 5, 2009 9:34:33am |
Pizza the Hutt has passed away....Dom DeLuise is dead
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:34:37am |
re: #102 experiencedtraveller
I thought The General in his Labyrinth was a good read...
I dropped it after about two chapters. Just couldn't get into it, for some reason.
But Solitude I thought was a masterpiece.
Muchos años después, frente al pelotón de fusilamiento, el coronel Aureliano Buendía había de recordar aquella tarde remota en que su padre le llevó a conocer el hielo.
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:34:41am |
re: #93 cubbydave44
But people, come on... I honestly wonder if any of the people that made that list have actually listened to his show before, or if they are just going off of pre-fabricated opinions formed by others (like many on this forum...).
This is very true. It seems that many don't understand when he's being serious or being in schtick mode, where he says the more outrageous things. But the show is about him and his personality, and his view on current events.
Don Black and the others, they are not radio show hosts: they never go into 'schtick' mode and rant and rail with tongue in cheek, or have too many drinks and get silly. The things they say they believe in all the time.
That is why Savage doesn't belong in the same lot with them.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 9:34:47am |
re: #105 tfc3rid
Congrats on your new bullpen guy?
/ Sorry couldn't help myself
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Spartacus50 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:35:08am |
Meanwhile Ken Livingstone and Joseph Galloway are welcomed with open arms.
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Randall Gross Tue, May 5, 2009 9:35:16am |
re: #107 charles_martel
If you look at the list you see Islamist haters on it as well.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 9:35:40am |
re: #114 Spartacus50
Uh- they happen to be citizens of the UK.
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AMER1CAN Tue, May 5, 2009 9:35:42am |
re: #78 OldLineTexan
I sometimes listen to five minutes or so on the way home (short commute) if he's not having a verbal seizure.
verbal seizure is about right!
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Spartacus50 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:36:04am |
re: #114 Spartacus50
Meanwhile Ken Livingstone and Joseph Galloway are welcomed with open arms.
Oops...wrong Galloway
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 9:36:35am |
re: #116 tfc3rid
Ugh.
If it's any consolation, I might be able to get you some crystal meth cheap. We got a connection on the Yankees?
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 9:36:55am |
re: #110 albusteve
Pizza the Hutt has passed away....Dom DeLuise is dead
Yep, Captain Chaos is no more.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:37:21am |
Man, and now I've got a Top Ten comment for sorta kinda defending Michael Savage... the world turned upside-down.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 9:37:44am |
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, May 5, 2009 9:37:46am |
should've banned those lefty crowds at the G20 or whatever it was. Would've smelled a whole lot better.
/
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 9:37:49am |
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:37:51am |
re: #124 Honorary Yooper
Yep, Captain Chaos is no more.
Well, much as I loved the guy's work, I'll have to go ahead and join in the announcements:
Dom DeLuise will not be down for breakfast.
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debutaunt Tue, May 5, 2009 9:38:28am |
re: #131 Guanxi88
Well, much as I loved the guy's work, I'll have to go ahead and join in the announcements:
Dom DeLuise will not be down for breakfast.
He had the cutest face.
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Randall Gross Tue, May 5, 2009 9:38:53am |
Hmmm Fred and Shirley Phelps made the list as well.
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 9:39:05am |
Lunch time... anybody going to the Delicatessen?
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Mr Spiffy Tue, May 5, 2009 9:40:10am |
I would listen to Savage sometimes in Gainesville, his emphasis on "Borders, Language and Culture" makes a lot of sense; but he lost me when he harangued people for watching baseball in the run up to OIF--baseball is a part of our culture!
After that he seemed like the kid who didn't want to play because he was never picked.
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 5, 2009 9:40:20am |
re: #133 Thanos
Hmmm Fred and Shirley Phelps made the list as well.
Is that about the entire congregation of Westboro?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 9:40:40am |
"They've hit Buddy! C'mon girls!"
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:40:45am |
re: #106 buzzsawmonkey
I figured you more for a One Hundred Years of Pulchritude kind of guy.
Now you're really bringing back some memories of my melancholy whores.
/kidding!
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KansasMom Tue, May 5, 2009 9:40:49am |
I am glad to see Fred Phelps on the list. I have to wonder if Phelps has ever tried to travel to the UK, he's so busy protesting funerals here in the US.
I hope the rest of the members of Westboro baptist are on the list too, for Britain's sake anyway. Personally I'd like to see them move out of the US!
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JohnnyReb Tue, May 5, 2009 9:41:05am |
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Default_UserID Tue, May 5, 2009 9:41:05am |
I wonder what the details of Savage's contract are. He has more "rebroadcast" shows than any other talk show host I know of. He always seems to be sick from something he ate, or he drank too much, or some such nonsense.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 9:42:41am |
re: #131 Guanxi88
Well, much as I loved the guy's work, I'll have to go ahead and join in the announcements:
Dom DeLuise will not be down for breakfast.
He did a lot of films and TV. Wiki has a decent list of them.
Wonderful roles over the years, including ones like Melvin P. Thorpe.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 5, 2009 9:43:29am |
re: #145 Honorary Yooper
I love his scene at the end of Blazing Saddles.
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JCM Tue, May 5, 2009 9:43:33am |
re: #86 Guanxi88
Yes, it's his belief that a certain portion of the increase in diagnosis of Autistic Spectrum Disorders is the result of an expansion of the diagnostic criteria; in essence, the term has become so broad as to be meaningless. He compared it to describing myopia as a Blindness Spectrum Disorder.
Took a lot of flack for that.
They have expanded the definition; it's now Autism Spectrum Disorder.
Different people with autism can have very different symptoms. Health care providers think of autism as a “spectrum” disorder, a group of disorders with similar features. One person may have mild symptoms, while another may have serious symptoms. But they both have an autism spectrum disorder.
Currently, the autism spectrum disorder category includes:Autistic disorder (also called “classic” autism)
Asperger syndrome
Pervasive Developmental Disorder Not Otherwise Specified (or atypical autism).
That how ever doesn't really expand "classic" autism, but now the short name "autism" includes others not previous called "autistic."
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:43:36am |
re: #137 reine.de.tout
Is that about the entire congregation of Westboro?
I sure hope so.
But I will add my voice to those who question whether or not someone, even someone as evil and stupid as Phelps, should be denied freedom of speech.
I find it quite troubling.
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:43:55am |
re: #145 Honorary Yooper
He did a lot of films and TV. Wiki has a decent list of them.
Wonderful roles over the years, including ones like Melvin P. Thorpe.
I completely forgot - he was the Pope in Johnny Dangerously
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 9:43:57am |
re: #135 Pickles
Dom was great. I will truly miss his humor.
At least we can still enjoy his films and celebrate his comic genious.
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MPH Tue, May 5, 2009 9:44:32am |
Reason Mag's take on the issue:
[Link: reason.com...]
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:44:33am |
re: #144 Nevergiveup Cause I didn't see any sarc tag on the connection between Crystal Meth and the Yankees.
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:45:03am |
re: #147 JCM
That how ever doesn't really expand "classic" autism, but now the short name "autism" includes others not previous called "autistic."
That's exactly the point he made, that, and, in truth, a lot of parents have used a diagnosis along the "spectrum" as an excuse for a variety of poor behaviors on their part and the part of their kids.
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Rexatosis Tue, May 5, 2009 9:45:05am |
Most of those on the list are violent, part of violent organizations, or advocate the destruction of the West (which includes Britain). Savage seems to be on the list 'cuz he acts like a jerk on the radio and offends people. I just wonder why there seems to be a lacking of left-wing crazies and just plain left-wing offensive jerks on this list.
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JohnnyReb Tue, May 5, 2009 9:46:11am |
re: #140 KansasMom
I am glad to see Fred Phelps on the list. I have to wonder if Phelps has ever tried to travel to the UK, he's so busy protesting funerals here in the US.
I hope the rest of the members of Westboro baptist are on the list too, for Britain's sake anyway. Personally I'd like to see them move out of the US!
While I hate the message that those knuckleheads "preach", they do have a right to preach it. I have a really bad feeling about all the laws in some states that are being passed to keep them away from funerals. Those same laws can and most likely will be added to and changed in the years to come to ban pretty much anything the current party in power wants them to ban. That and hate speech laws are going to be the downfall of the 1st amendment in this country.
I think the freedom riders pretty much kept those idiots at bay and away from military funerals. I know they did here in New England.
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debutaunt Tue, May 5, 2009 9:46:46am |
Dom DeLuise was Dominick the Great on the Dean Martin Show. "Save it for the end."
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medaura18586 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:47:10am |
I sure wouldn't give Michael Savage a visa... As for Stormfront dude, do I need to?
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KansasMom Tue, May 5, 2009 9:47:21am |
re: #148 realwest
I sure hope so.
But I will add my voice to those who question whether or not someone, even someone as evil and stupid as Phelps, should be denied freedom of speech.
I find it quite troubling.
Me too. However I think that funerals ares one venue during which the freedom to protest should be suspended. Let Westboro baptist practice their right to free speech somewhere else.
Thank goodness for the Patriot Guard.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 9:47:33am |
re: #156 debutaunt
Dom DeLuise was Dominick the Great on the Dean Martin Show. "Save it for the end."
I guess we can all applaud now- may he rest in peace.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 9:47:36am |
re: #152 realwest
Cause I didn't see any sarc tag on the connection between Crystal Meth and the Yankees.
Did not think it was needed. I guess you did not read the NY Sports pages this AM. Joba Chamberlain's mom was arrested for selling Crystal Meth yesterday.
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Catttt Tue, May 5, 2009 9:47:38am |
I don't listen to Mr. Savage, but I like his Rockstar Energy Drink. Are they going to ban it too? Plus - he is over the top, but LOTS of radio commenters on all sides rant and rave.
My issue is with banning people for "hate." It is easy to say "hate MIGHT lead to crime." Lollipops might lead to crime. Cracks in the sidewalk might lead to crime. Cats might lead to crime. Might gives one a ton of wiggle room.
There are a number of people on the list I think are haters, but it's not a crime. Oh, wait. I'm thinking like an American again. This is a reminder that we are the only country with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
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blangwort Tue, May 5, 2009 9:48:23am |
I sometimes listen to Savage to remind myself what dogmatic hatred sounds like.
I can understand that it might frighten some people. But banning it isn't the answer. Will they ban him from the Internet too? I'd like to see how that would work.
It is good that we give people like Savage the opportunity to let off some steam, even if it is filled with bile and nonsense. The alternative is to ban him and give him a reason to fight.
No, the real danger is not Michael Savage. It's the censors. Today it's a hate monger. Tomorrow, it could be you.
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nikis-knight Tue, May 5, 2009 9:48:28am |
re: #8 Russkilitlover
No doubt Savage will rant and rave and get all self-righteous. I've only heard him a couple of times and this is my take how he'll react. He'll cloak himself in a mantle of pride for his outspokeness.
I, however, would be ashamed, discgraced, and self-reflective if I had a COUNTRY proclaim me "unwanted."
Very much depends on the country. I wear "Death the Great Satan" as a badge of honor.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 9:48:39am |
re: #151 MPH
Reason Mag's take on the issue:
[Link: reason.com...]
Not bad, but here's the jerque du jour from the comment section:
John %P% May 5, 2009, 11:10am %P% #
Was there anyone, except the occasional troll and LGF drive-by, who was OK with torture? I remember a lot of "ticking bomb" arguments and a lot of objections about the efficacy of torture and degree of confidence you could have in information extracted under torture, but very little "Bush is so awesome, I hope tortures those [Arab racial slur] good."
Torture has never been OK at LGF as far as I know.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:49:34am |
re: #160 Nevergiveup
Yeah, I read a link to it on the DT - still don't think it's funny linking the NY Yankees to Crystal Meth. A-Rod and his "performance enhancing drugs" yes, crytal meth is something altogether different.
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Truck Monkey Tue, May 5, 2009 9:50:13am |
re: #26 OldLineTexan
So, Jews cannot go to the Magic Kingdom, right?
Should they be ashamed?
They can. They just cannot tell anyone that they are Jewish.
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brookly red Tue, May 5, 2009 9:50:19am |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 5, 2009 9:50:38am |
re: #165 Honorary Yooper
Torture has never been OK at LGF as far as I know.
avanti is still allowed to post.
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Dave the..... Tue, May 5, 2009 9:50:43am |
Rex
Most of those on the list are violent, part of violent organizations, or advocate the destruction of the West (which includes Britain). Savage seems to be on the list 'cuz he acts like a jerk on the radio and offends people. I just wonder why there seems to be a lacking of left-wing crazies and just plain left-wing offensive jerks on this list.
I thought the same thing. I've tuned into Savage and think he is a right wing wacko. But his name is out of place on here. I used to check out Air America when it first came on the air and heard just as bad, or worse things, from the looney left. Why isn't Bill Mahr on the list?
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:50:58am |
re: #161 Catttt "This is a reminder that we are the only country with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights."
Yes and thank God I'm an American living in America.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:51:07am |
I know I'm late to this, but VERY bad precedent. You don't want to listen to Savage, change the channel.
Now that Britain has set the standard of 'we don't like what you said so you can't come here" what other critera will they use?
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monsonman Tue, May 5, 2009 9:51:30am |
I listen to Savage once and awhile. I don't ever recall him advocating violence. To bannish someone from your country because the views he expresses may cause OTHER people to use violence on HIM shows a complete breakdown of social order in that country.
Shame on them and it's happening here as well. J. Severin has been suspended from WTKK here in Boston for comments made about Mexicans. I listen to his show every night on the way home from work and he's NEVER advocated violence.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 9:51:31am |
re: #165 Honorary Yooper
Oops, I attributed the quote to the wrong commentor there. My bad. It was a commentor named "SugarFree" accusing LGF of torture advocation.
Torture has never been OK at LGF.
Charles, you can go ahead and delete my #165.
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KenJen Tue, May 5, 2009 9:51:47am |
I think he should change hyphenate his name. Michael Savage-Weiner. Sound's like a porn star.
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JCM Tue, May 5, 2009 9:52:14am |
re: #153 Guanxi88
That's exactly the point he made, that, and, in truth, a lot of parents have used a diagnosis along the "spectrum" as an excuse for a variety of poor behaviors on their part and the part of their kids.
It can't be the fault of parenting skills can it?
It's got to be a "disorder!"
There is good data for the "spectrum" label. However it is over used, like ADD, ADHD.
Part of the issue is "labeled" kids make schools eligible for federal funding for "special needs," it's easier to medicate than raise kids, and a lot of other factors.
My uncle is a child psychologists who tries very hard to cut through all the BS and get to the core issues, we've had a number of discussions on the matter.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:52:27am |
re: #163 blangwort
"No, the real danger is not Michael Savage. It's the censors. Today it's a hate monger. Tomorrow, it could be you."
Well said. VERY well said.
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filetandrelease Tue, May 5, 2009 9:52:38am |
re: #165 Honorary Yooper
Torture has never been OK at LGF as far as I know.
Please tell me water boarding is not considered torture here.
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nikis-knight Tue, May 5, 2009 9:53:00am |
re: #41 harrylook
Never listened to Savage, but the whole idea of banning someone for their ideas can't really make much sense to most americans, I would think.
I wonder how Britain would react if the US banned George Galloway (banned in Canada, if I remember right?) and Ken Livingston.
We need to ban 1 kook from Britian or elsewhere for each kook of ours they ban, or eventually all the kooks will be American via simple diffusion.
/
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Default_UserID Tue, May 5, 2009 9:53:26am |
re: #162 Iron Fist
The last time I did LSD, concrete hadn't been invented yet.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 5, 2009 9:53:48am |
re: #172 sattv4u2
I know I'm late to this, but VERY bad precedent. You don't want to listen to Savage, change the channel.
Now that Britain has set the standard of 'we don't like what you said so you can't come here" what other critera will they use?
Freedom of speech is a bit different in the UK. It is easier to sue for slander and the government can do much more than the government here. They can go to Fleet Street and get all over the newspapers and they control the airwaves. What the UK has would not fly here. They are a free society, but not like ours.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 9:53:52am |
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turn Tue, May 5, 2009 9:54:37am |
re: #178 filetandrelease
Please tell me water boarding is not considered torture here.
not by turn for sure
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:54:45am |
re: #183 Iron Fist
the common name for this syndrome is the "We don't know what the fuck it is, but penicillin won't kill it".
Right there, in a nutshell, is the origin of the over-diagnosis of the condition.
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Cato the Elder Tue, May 5, 2009 9:55:00am |
Meanwhile, Solomonia hosts a response to Mary Madigan by "Spencer and Geller" (you can tell it was written by Spencer alone by the lack of typos and ALL CAPS and the trademark zinger at the close), replete with the usual non-arguments, diversions, studious ignorance and curt dismissal of everything written by critics.
At the last, he wonders why the "small band of fighters" defending the West is being attacked for its pains.
If the West depends on PG, RS et Cie. for survival, we are well and truly lost.
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:55:01am |
re: #170 Dave the.....
Why isn't Bill Mahr on the list?
Exactly. Which is why I wrote that creating lists and prohibiting speech, however vile we may think it, can be a road leading to dark places.
The First Amendment doesn't need to protect the speech with which we agree; it needs to protect the speech we find offensive. If it doesn't do that, an administration or Congress can decide that my freedom of speech needs to be curtailed, as it doesn't fit their definition of "acceptable".
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 9:55:26am |
re: #166 realwest
Yeah, I read a link to it on the DT - still don't think it's funny linking the NY Yankees to Crystal Meth. A-Rod and his "performance enhancing drugs" yes, crytal meth is something altogether different.
I'm a huge Yankee fan, but sorry if that offended you. It's been all over the news up here and I had been busting TFc3rid about Ollie going to the bullpen.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:55:27am |
re: #181 Desert Dog
Freedom of speech is a bit different in the UK. It is easier to sue for slander and the government can do much more than the government here. They can go to Fleet Street and get all over the newspapers and they control the airwaves. What the UK has would not fly here. They are a free society, but not like ours.
I understand that as I have been to England a number of times. They need to look at the Magna Carta every so often though to remid themselves of why they were once GREAT Britain
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 9:55:30am |
re: #181 Desert Dog
Freedom of speech is a bit different in the UK. It is easier to sue for slander and the government can do much more than the government here. They can go to Fleet Street and get all over the newspapers and they control the airwaves. What the UK has would not fly here. They are a free society, but not like ours.
Here, our newspapers control themselves.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:56:13am |
re: #191 Kosh's Shadow
Here, our newspapers control
themselvesthe Dems .
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nikis-knight Tue, May 5, 2009 9:56:42am |
re: #86 Guanxi88
Yes, it's his belief that a certain portion of the increase in diagnosis of Autistic Spectrum Disorders is the result of an expansion of the diagnostic criteria; in essence, the term has become so broad as to be meaningless. He compared it to describing myopia as a Blindness Spectrum Disorder.
Took a lot of flack for that.
Well, when the certain portion is 99%, I can understand the flak, even if it may be right to some much smaller degree. (I don't have any experience to say, though)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 9:56:45am |
Oh, I thought Dom DeLuise's movie "Fatso" was very sad.
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KansasMom Tue, May 5, 2009 9:56:50am |
re: #155 JohnnyReb
While I hate the message that those knuckleheads "preach", they do have a right to preach it. I have a really bad feeling about all the laws in some states that are being passed to keep them away from funerals. Those same laws can and most likely will be added to and changed in the years to come to ban pretty much anything the current party in power wants them to ban. That and hate speech laws are going to be the downfall of the 1st amendment in this country.
I think the freedom riders pretty much kept those idiots at bay and away from military funerals. I know they did here in New England.
The Patriot Guard does a great service to the grieving families. More than just blocking the protestors, they give the families some moral support while they are grieving and under attack by Phelps.
While necessary, the Patriot Guard can be disruptive too. One of their methods is to rev their engines to drown out the shouts from Westboro protesters. Its better than allowing the family to hear Phelp's hateful words, but its hardly the peaceful funeral our soldiers deserve. Phelps needs to be kept away from funerals. Its not an appropriate place for a protest.
BTW, from what I've read Westboro protests in the Northeast have been mild by comparison to those in the midwest. The closer it is to their home, the more members they can bring.
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JCM Tue, May 5, 2009 9:57:04am |
re: #163 blangwort
I sometimes listen to Savage to remind myself what dogmatic hatred sounds like.
I can understand that it might frighten some people. But banning it isn't the answer. Will they ban him from the Internet too? I'd like to see how that would work.
It is good that we give people like Savage the opportunity to let off some steam, even if it is filled with bile and nonsense. The alternative is to ban him and give him a reason to fight.
No, the real danger is not Michael Savage. It's the censors. Today it's a hate monger. Tomorrow, it could be you.
DING!
Banning is not the answer.
Depending on the source you engage and discredit, or ignore and they become irrelevant. Banning them gives them the "legitimacy" of being "too dangerous", and makes them forbidden fruit.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:57:48am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:58:05am |
re: #182 Kosh's Shadow
Or look Jewish, or carry a Jewish or Christian Bible, etc.
I don't want to go anywhere where there can't be a Chabad house.
And that seems to include Bolivia right now
Morales is following the lead of his mentor Hugo. There was a raid on a synagogue in Caracas a few months back, you may remember.
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:58:22am |
re: #193 nikis-knight
Well, when the certain portion is 99%, I can understand the flak, even if it may be right to some much smaller degree. (I don't have any experience to say, though)
That 99% was hyperbole, born of extreme frustration. He had a younger brother, who died in some state hospital; a heart-breaking piece of his biography that cannot but affect his response to people talking bout their little Johnny's "condition"/
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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 5, 2009 9:58:31am |
re: #195 KansasMom
BTW, from what I've read Westboro protests in the Northeast have been mild by comparison to those in the midwest. The closer it is to their home, the more members they can bring.
The only members in their cult are the family.
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JCM Tue, May 5, 2009 9:59:02am |
re: #183 Iron Fist
the common name for this syndrome is the "We don't know what the fuck it is, but penicillin won't kill it".
ROFL!
Idiopathic. Med speak for Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 9:59:04am |
Randi Rhodes should be on this list. She poses a potential threat to UK pub sidewalks everywhere.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:59:04am |
re: #189 Nevergiveup
I went ahead and updinged it. But Crystal Meth is one of if not the most atrocious illegal substances out there and I don't find anything funny about it at all.
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 5, 2009 9:59:21am |
re: #187 Cato the Elder
We are saddened that Solomonia posted Mary Madigan's nakedly dishonest, craven hit piece.Mary Madigan should know, if she has any residual sense of honesty and fair play at all, that her out-of-context quote from Pamela Geller amounted to nothing more than a vicious smear.
Spencer spewing his usual crap.
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debutaunt Tue, May 5, 2009 9:59:44am |
re: #203 Sharmuta
Randi Rhodes should be on this list. She poses a potential threat to UK pub sidewalks everywhere.
*Thud*
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Desert Dog Tue, May 5, 2009 9:59:52am |
re: #191 Kosh's Shadow
Here, our newspapers control themselves.
The government in the UK can close down a paper if it really wants too. It can censor the news broadcasts. They have many of the same rights we do here, but they don't have an individual's right in mind all the time like here. The UK government can delve into someone's private life much more than here. They have a Big Brother camera system set up were most of the inhabited parts of the country are under video surveillance. And, newer technologies allow these cameras to be interactive now. I remember reading about a guy in a park that was littering or doing some other stupid behavior. They guy monitoring the camera sent a message out telling him to stop. Can you imagine that here? That is scary!
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KansasMom Tue, May 5, 2009 10:00:09am |
re: #201 Alouette
The only members in their cult are the family.
Yes. And they even bring the kids out to hold signs. There's enough of them to create a disruption.
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jvic Tue, May 5, 2009 10:00:12am |
re: #71 subsailor68
As an American who was raised to treasure (and defend) the Constitution - including the First Amendment of course - I'm a little troubled by the idea of banning speech (with the obvious caveats of course). I know the UK is a different animal, but when we start creating lists of people who should be banned because of their speech, we start down a road that leads to very dark places.
Agreed, but we are entitled to have one standard for our citizens and another for non-citizens. In fact, doing so is prudent, IMO. That's in general. In this particular case:
I've only heard Savage by accident while dial-twirling. Nothing I heard made me want to hear more. Nothing I heard made me think he should be banned from Britain.
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JCM Tue, May 5, 2009 10:00:51am |
re: #201 Alouette
The only members in their cult are the family.
Give me a '74 Dodge Monaco and the location of their next protest!
I'll fix their wagon!
//
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 10:02:07am |
re: #204 realwest
I went ahead and updinged it. But Crystal Meth is one of if not the most atrocious illegal substances out there and I don't find anything funny about it at all.
I got ya. Unfortunately that is what his mom was hawking. And to an undercover cop to boot. From what I read the one smart thing she did was basically give Joba up to his Father to be raised, and the mom and Joba do not have much of a relationship.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 10:02:15am |
re: #203 Sharmuta
Randi Rhodes should be on this list. She poses a potential threat to UK pub sidewalks everywhere.
Nah. The sidewalks are more of a threat to her than the other way 'round.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 10:02:48am |
re: #211 JCM
Give me a '74 Dodge Monaco and the location of their next protest!
I'll fix their wagon!
//
Former Mt Prospect police car?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, May 5, 2009 10:02:52am |
re: #211 JCM
Give me a '74 Dodge Monaco and the location of their next protest!
I'll fix their wagon!
//
No, it has to be one the Chicago lizards who does that. Not me, I can't drive.
Out for real now.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 10:03:18am |
re: #203 Sharmuta
Randi Rhodes should be on this list. She poses a potential threat to UK pub sidewalks everywhere.
Indeed, she poses a concrete threat! Or a threat to concrete, anyway.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 10:03:40am |
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:03:43am |
re: #210 jvic
Agreed, but we are entitled to have one standard for our citizens and another for non-citizens. In fact, doing so is prudent, IMO. That's in general. In this particular case:
I've only heard Savage by accident while dial-twirling. Nothing I heard made me want to hear more. Nothing I heard made me think he should be banned from Britain.
I hear what you're saying, but I'm not so sure we even want to go there regarding non-citizens. Suppose the non-citizen is someone like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 10:04:08am |
re: #207 Desert Dog
The government in the UK can close down a paper if it really wants too. It can censor the news broadcasts. They have many of the same rights we do here, but they don't have an individual's right in mind all the time like here. The UK government can delve into someone's private life much more than here. They have a Big Brother camera system set up were most of the inhabited parts of the country are under video surveillance. And, newer technologies allow these cameras to be interactive now. I remember reading about a guy in a park that was littering or doing some other stupid behavior. They guy monitoring the camera sent a message out telling him to stop. Can you imagine that here? That is scary!
We'd have people shooting the cameras after an episode like that.
If they used it to nab a terrorist or a serial killer, no one would complain, but if someone were stopped from littering, we'd hear all about 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what everything was and how it was to be used as evidence...
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nikis-knight Tue, May 5, 2009 10:04:23am |
When I used to drive home from work (back in I think '04) I would sometimes tune into Savage for a bit. I found it really amusing that for part of the way Mr. "Borders, Language, Culture" was drowned out by a (presumably) illegal spanish language music station.
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Kragar Tue, May 5, 2009 10:04:42am |
re: #214 Honorary Yooper
Nah. The sidewalks are more of a threat to her than the other way 'round.
A drunk Randi Rhodes is more of a danger to fellow drunks
"Hey guysh, Im gettin lucky tonight, shee you later."
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 10:04:45am |
Free publicity for Michael Alan Weiner Savage. Just think. Now he can lead into this radio program with "Banned from the UK." Right before you turn the radio off.
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Egregious Philbin Tue, May 5, 2009 10:04:50am |
Michael Savage is to talk radio what Mama's Family is to Shakespear at the Old Globe.
Its crap, pure garbage on the radio, nothing but schtick and screaming and fake outrage for simple minds.
Most of talk radio is completely fake, failed DJ's attempting to outrage and gin up emotions so people will continue to listen. But Savage is just terrible, terrible for any thinking person to listen to. Its Pavlovian, programmed crap, and he hurts conservatism.
I'd add Rich Little, Tony Orlando, Lee Greenwood, 2/3rds of the Pips, the Simpson sisters, and Billy Mays to the list.
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 10:05:12am |
re: #178 filetandrelease
Please tell me water boarding is not considered torture here.
That depends entirely upon how it is performed. Not all "waterboarding" is equal.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 10:05:15am |
re: #220 Kosh's Shadow
We'd have people shooting the cameras after an episode like that.
If they used it to nab a terrorist or a serial killer, no one would complain, but if someone were stopped from littering, we'd hear all about 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what everything was and how it was to be used as evidence...
But that's not what I came here to talk about. I came to talk about the war.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 5, 2009 10:05:23am |
re: #220 Kosh's Shadow
We'd have people shooting the cameras after an episode like that.
If they used it to nab a terrorist or a serial killer, no one would complain, but if someone were stopped from littering, we'd hear all about 27 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what everything was and how it was to be used as evidence...
Hope the judge ain't blind though!
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:05:30am |
re: #221 nikis-knight
When I used to drive home from work (back in I think '04) I would sometimes tune into Savage for a bit. I found it really amusing that for part of the way Mr. "Borders, Language, Culture" was drowned out by a (presumably) illegal spanish language music station.
We get the same effect here in Austin; about the last hour or so of the program, this Spanish-language AM blowtorch just drowns it right out.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 10:06:06am |
re: #217 Occasional Reader
Indeed, she poses a concrete threat! Or a threat to concrete, anyway.
She aggregates the hell out of me.
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saberry0530 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:06:23am |
Question of the Day? When the UN and the US committees discuss the pirates situation, do they have to talk like a pirate?
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 10:06:40am |
re: #219 subsailor68
Hey sub - I agree. Most Americans, alas, do not understand just how SPECIAL the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are. They are indeed unique.
And the freedom to insult carries with it the freedom to ignore.
As I said somewhere upthread, I am SO GRATEFUL to be an AMERICAN and to have the true freedoms we have here.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 10:07:00am |
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 10:07:01am |
re: #230 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
She aggregates the hell out of me.
She should be charged with asphalt and battery.
And with that, I'm off to lunch.
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mfarmer1 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:07:02am |
The UK must have missed some of Michael Savage's tips on how to make the perfect meatball. He should be allowed in just on that alone given the overall state of food there.
Today's Savage show topics will include:
1) Nuking Britain
2) Nuking Pakistan
3) North Beach Italian Restaurant Review
4) Nuking Afghanistan
5) Teddy's Corner
6) Exotic Flora of Bunaken Island, Indonesia
7) Nuking Indonesia
8) White Male Oppression Hour
9) Nuking Washington DC
10) Convertible Cadillac Restoration Hour
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 10:07:07am |
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LGoPs Tue, May 5, 2009 10:08:05am |
re: #224 Egregious Philbin
Michael Savage is to talk radio what Mama's Family is to Shakespear at the Old Globe.
Its crap, pure garbage on the radio, nothing but schtick and screaming and fake outrage for simple minds.
Most of talk radio is completely fake, failed DJ's attempting to outrage and gin up emotions so people will continue to listen. But Savage is just terrible, terrible for any thinking person to listen to. Its Pavlovian, programmed crap, and he hurts conservatism.
I'd add Rich Little, Tony Orlando, Lee Greenwood, 2/3rds of the Pips, the Simpson sisters, and Billy Mays to the list.
Democracy isn't neat and pretty. I'll take the noise of talk radio over the propaganda laden stranglehold that the rest of the MFM has over information in this country.
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nyc redneck Tue, May 5, 2009 10:08:16am |
has he ever been convicted of a crime here? has he aligned himself w/ an ideology that promotes head chopping and rape? persecution of gays, women and "infidels?" does he try to promote the destruction of western civilization?
i think britain is trying to impress moslems here by trying to appear pc in going after someone who is taking islam to task.
there is no comparison btw savage and the jihadis on that list.
btw, i'm not fond of savage. i never listen to him. he conflicts w/ mark levin.
i wonder if he and rush and hannity are next on the the no-go list.
i think it is ridiculous that savage was banned.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 10:08:44am |
Next- the UK will bar the Beastie Boys for promoting fighting for your right to party.
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LGoPs Tue, May 5, 2009 10:09:00am |
re: #231 saberry0530
Question of the Day? When the UN and the US committees discuss the pirates situation, do they have to talk like a pirate?
No, but they have to parrot each other's comments.......
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:09:08am |
re: #236 mfarmer1
The UK must have missed some of Michael Savage's tips on how to make the perfect meatball. He should be allowed in just on that alone given the overall state of food there.
Today's Savage show topics will include:
1) Nuking Britain
2) Nuking Pakistan
3) North Beach Italian Restaurant Review
4) Nuking Afghanistan
5) Teddy's Corner
6) Exotic Flora of Bunaken Island, Indonesia
7) Nuking Indonesia
8) White Male Oppression Hour
9) Nuking Washington DC
10) Convertible Cadillac Restoration Hour
I listen to the guy, and your list is pretty close, but you forgot to add the part of the show where he discusses boxing and cheap chinese food.
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Mad Mullah Tue, May 5, 2009 10:09:10am |
I don't listen to the radio, and I've only heard a couple of his shows on youtube, but I think that the brits should worry more about certain people inside their borders that have a great dislike of their double decker busses, there are quite a few of them. I bet that if I had my own radio show, then I would probably be banned from the UK too.
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JCM Tue, May 5, 2009 10:09:45am |
re: #230 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
She aggregates the hell out of me.
Is that opinion set in concrete?
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albusteve Tue, May 5, 2009 10:10:05am |
re: #241 Sharmuta
Next- the UK will bar the Beastie Boys for promoting fighting for your right to party.
that would be a righteous decision...
(/)
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SixDegrees Tue, May 5, 2009 10:10:10am |
re: #231 saberry0530
Question of the Day? When the UN and the US committees discuss the pirates situation, do they have to talk like a pirate?
Aye. That they do.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 5, 2009 10:10:21am |
re: #246 buzzsawmonkey
I wish that there were radio as intelligent and non-screaming as NPR, but with a conservative rather than a far-left slant.
Hell, I'd settle for a neutral "slant."
My problem with most of the "conservative talk show hosts"--and that includes the mighty Rush Limbaugh--is that they are all bombast, all the time, and their commercials are an offense to the sense of hearing.
NPR puts me to sleep...right after it makes me yell at the radio
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 10:10:40am |
re: #244 subsailor68
Thanks subsailor - I do appreciate it very much.
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albusteve Tue, May 5, 2009 10:11:00am |
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 10:11:03am |
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Egregious Philbin Tue, May 5, 2009 10:11:18am |
re: #238 LGoPs
Yeah, but simplistic crap like Savage is not good for a thinking mind. Its a sideshow.
Listen to Phil Hendrie, he is on the left on some things, on the right on the other, but is entertaining, funny as hell and a good listen. Same goes with Dennis Miller. But Savage? I like my cartoons animated.
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:11:34am |
re: #246 buzzsawmonkey
I wish that there were radio as intelligent and non-screaming as NPR, but with a conservative rather than a far-left slant.
Hell, I'd settle for a neutral "slant."
My problem with most of the "conservative talk show hosts"--and that includes the mighty Rush Limbaugh--is that they are all bombast, all the time, and their commercials are an offense to the sense of hearing.
Wouldn't it be great? I remember Bill Buckley's "Firing Line". He seemed able to put together a program that was conservative, yet civil, enlightening, and sometimes funny. He knew what "bombast" meant, and knew how to avoid it.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 10:11:51am |
re: #255 Egregious Philbin
Love your nic!
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zombie Tue, May 5, 2009 10:11:55am |
Now included on Britain’s list of “undesirables” banned from entering the country (along with a host of Islamic militants and hate preachers): Don Black of Stormfront and radio screamer Michael Savage.
...
MICHAEL ALAN WEINER (ALSO KNOWN AS MICHAEL SAVAGE)
Controversial daily radio talk-show host. Considered to be engaging in unacceptable behaviour by seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred which might lead to inter-community violence.
His views on immigration, Islam, rape and autism have caused great offence in the US.
That is outrageous. I can guarantee the bureaucrats who banned Michael Savage have never listened to his show. They just heard the complaints from CAIR and the Autism over-diagnosis true-believers, and based their ruling on that.
Michael Savage does not advocate violence on air. Basically, Britain is banning him because he has an opinion. The wrong opinion.
One could say of MANY people that their opinions "have caused great offence in the US." Including, I might add, the President.
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LGoPs Tue, May 5, 2009 10:12:21am |
re: #246 buzzsawmonkey
I wish that there were radio as intelligent and non-screaming as NPR, but with a conservative rather than a far-left slant.
Hell, I'd settle for a neutral "slant."
My problem with most of the "conservative talk show hosts"--and that includes the mighty Rush Limbaugh--is that they are all bombast, all the time, and their commercials are an offense to the sense of hearing.
NPR (and PBS for that matter) are the only true candidates for a Fairness Doctrine. By using taxpayer funds they have an obligation to provide balance...which they do not.
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tuptian Tue, May 5, 2009 10:12:24am |
Of what I have listened to Mr. Savage's show, I assume he will only learn of this from a caller asking his opinion of the article followed by a large dose of apathy toward the article and the BBc. Just a guess.
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medaura18586 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:12:31am |
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
Talk radio host Michael Savage is considering legal action against Britain's top homeland security official after she released today a list grouping him with terrorists and neo-Nazi murderers banned from entry because the government believes their views might provoke violence.
Let's see if David Horowitz will lend him a hand on that lawsuit, as he's been keen to do in the past.
[Link: dir.salon.com...]
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Desert Dog Tue, May 5, 2009 10:13:01am |
re: #257 buzzsawmonkey
Listener-supported Snews-radio!
NPR is supported by listeners like you, even if you don't want to support us, you are anyway...ha.ha.ha.ha.ha.
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filetandrelease Tue, May 5, 2009 10:13:04am |
re: #225 Kenneth
That depends entirely upon how it is performed. Not all "waterboarding" is equal.
You mean, "oops" while water boarding may be considered torture?
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 10:13:07am |
re: #246 buzzsawmonkey
I wish that there were radio as intelligent and non-screaming as NPR, but with a conservative rather than a far-left slant.
Hell, I'd settle for a neutral "slant."
My problem with most of the "conservative talk show hosts"--and that includes the mighty Rush Limbaugh--is that they are all bombast, all the time, and their commercials are an offense to the sense of hearing.
That's why I haven't listened to talk radio since David Brudnoy.
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Egregious Philbin Tue, May 5, 2009 10:13:13am |
re: #246 buzzsawmonkey
I wish that there were radio as intelligent and non-screaming as NPR, but with a conservative rather than a far-left slant.
Hell, I'd settle for a neutral "slant."
My problem with most of the "conservative talk show hosts"--and that includes the mighty Rush Limbaugh--is that they are all bombast, all the time, and their commercials are an offense to the sense of hearing.
Dennis Miller and Phil Hendrie are the closest to that. But, its all schtick, whatever sells soap, left or right, keep the listeners outraged and they tune in.
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nikis-knight Tue, May 5, 2009 10:13:36am |
re: #246 buzzsawmonkey
I wish that there were radio as intelligent and non-screaming as NPR, but with a conservative rather than a far-left slant.
Hell, I'd settle for a neutral "slant."
My problem with most of the "conservative talk show hosts"--and that includes the mighty Rush Limbaugh--is that they are all bombast, all the time, and their commercials are an offense to the sense of hearing.
Dennis Prager, Bill Bennet, & Hugh Hewitt all qualify. That will keep you covered for 9 hours. Switch to music during the commericals, they are quite precise with the timing.
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zombie Tue, May 5, 2009 10:13:46am |
re: #246 buzzsawmonkey
My problem with most of the "conservative talk show hosts"--and that includes the mighty Rush Limbaugh--is that they are all bombast, all the time, and their commercials are an offense to the sense of hearing.
But is that a crime meriting bansishment?
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 10:13:57am |
Well y'all it's been educational and fun as usual out here today, but I gotta run now.
I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
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VioletTiger Tue, May 5, 2009 10:14:03am |
Looking through the list, it seems that the underlying issue is that these people have, or tend to, provoke hatred in others and encourage violent acts. Does Savage really do that? I have never listened to him. I think there should be a lot of other people on the list if they are casting that wide a net.
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 10:14:16am |
re: #257 buzzsawmonkey
Listener-supported Snews-radio!
Nasally musings of NPR. The typical NPR voice is sometimes the hardest part.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 5, 2009 10:14:16am |
re: #268 Egregious Philbin
Dennis Miller and Phil Hendrie are the closest to that. But, its all schtick, whatever sells soap, left or right, keep the listeners outraged and they tune in.
Phil Hendrie has a spoof show. He does the voices for all of his "guests."
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:14:30am |
re: #271 realwest
Well y'all it's been educational and fun as usual out here today, but I gotta run now.
I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
Have a wonderful day yourself! (And best wishes to your mom too.)
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albusteve Tue, May 5, 2009 10:15:15am |
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nikis-knight Tue, May 5, 2009 10:15:28am |
re: #259 zombie
He doesn't advocate violence personally, like a firebrand Imam, but I have heard him say things like "turn it into a parking lot" regarding specific troubling Iraqi towns like Falluja. Of course, that wasn't a wildly unpopular sentiment at the time.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 10:15:30am |
re: #273 Gus 802
Nasally musings of NPR. The typical NPR voice is sometimes the hardest part.
I have one word for the announcer on our local NPR station: "Poly-Grip".
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Earick Tue, May 5, 2009 10:15:35am |
re: #8 Russkilitlover
Back when our embassy personal were taken in Iran, my wife and I were refused entry to Trinidad because we were Americans. Six Americans on the plane. Six Americans taken, at gun point to a holding cell. Held for five hours and then marched across the airport by an armed detail and loaded on a plane headed for St. Vincent.
The customs officer was muslim and was rejecting all Americans who came his way that day.
In Trinidad the customs officer can refuse entry to anyone! No questions asked. We were refused any communication with our embassy, our friends or any legal help. We were simply deported to another island.
Of course it worked out for the better. We found a second home in St. Vincent and I took great pleasure taking business form Trinidad and directing it to St. Vincent.
I still have my entry refusal framed and on my desk. The Vincentions absolutely love it.
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:15:36am |
re: #267 Kosh's Shadow
That's why I haven't listened to talk radio since David Brudnoy.
Great guy, Bruds.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, May 5, 2009 10:15:38am |
Good Afternoon Lizards! I see LGF is working better this afternoon..
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rusty_armor Tue, May 5, 2009 10:15:43am |
I am not a huge fan of Savage, but other than his ability to antagonize people, I hardly think there is any reason to banish him anywher.
Well ... perhaps he should be banished from San Francisco.
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 10:16:37am |
re: #279 CIA Reject
I have one word for the announcer on our local NPR station: "Poly-Grip".
Hear a lot of clacking into the microphone?
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Cato the Elder Tue, May 5, 2009 10:16:42am |
re: #187 Cato the Elder
At the last, he wonders why the "small band of fighters" defending the West is being attacked for its pains.
A lot of these people seem to have a Lord of the Rings complex. With Muslims as sub-human orcs, of course.
The Baron as King Theoden, Dymphna as Galadriel, Fjordman as a windy Aragorn, the elusive Hugh Fitzgerald as Legolas?
That would make Spencer Gimli, I guess.
And Pam? An aging, raging, drunken Eowyn without a Faramir?
I'm taking nominations for the rest of the roles.
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mfarmer1 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:17:10am |
re: #243 Guanxi88
The guy is smart as hell, that's for sure. I can even take his over the top ego in certain doses. The endless pimping of his website, his son's energy drink, his idiotic lawsuits and begging for donations, and those horrible obviously prerecorded and edited interviews finally made me tune out.
The guy is really at his best when he talks about anything not politically related. He's a great story teller. You have to wonder how much of what he says is just shtick though, and the fact that I even had those considerations about his show also turned me off.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 10:17:19am |
re: #273 Gus 802
Nasally musings of NPR. The typical NPR voice is sometimes the hardest part.
And the guests always sound like they're on the other end of a tin can on a string.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 10:17:21am |
re: #285 Gus 802
Hear a lot of clacking into the microphone?
I sometimes wonder when her teeth are going to fall out.
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aggieann Tue, May 5, 2009 10:17:31am |
re: #273 Gus 802
Nasally musings of NPR. The typical NPR voice is sometimes the hardest part.
Skip Inskeep is the worst! Sounds like a frat boy at a party trying to persuade a girl to go back to his room.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, May 5, 2009 10:17:48am |
re: #286 Cato the Elder
A lot of these people seem to have a Lord of the Rings complex. With Muslims as sub-human orcs, of course.
The Baron as King Theoden, Dymphna as Galadriel, Fjordman as a windy Aragorn, the elusive Hugh Fitzgerald as Legolas?
That would make Spencer Gimli, I guess.
And Pam? An aging, raging, drunken Eowyn without a Faramir?
I'm taking nominations for the rest of the roles.
Pam is Shelob.
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Barb42 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:18:05am |
re: #8 Russkilitlover
re: #8 Russkilitlover
No doubt Savage will rant and rave and get all self-righteous. I've only heard him a couple of times and this is my take how he'll react. He'll cloak himself in a mantle of pride for his outspokeness.
I, however, would be ashamed, discgraced, and self-reflective if I had a COUNTRY proclaim me "unwanted."
Hummmm, like the Jews who tried to escape Nazi Germany and were sent back 'unwanted' by any country. Yeah, I am sure they were 'ashamed'. As for me, I will back free and open speech: the good, the bad and the ugly. Its all or none, like it or not.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 10:18:06am |
re: #286 Cato the Elder
The rest of the cast got a clue and didn't want to hang with the others.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 5, 2009 10:18:12am |
re: #273 Gus 802
Nasally musings of NPR. The typical NPR voice is sometimes the hardest part.
I think they pass out the quaaludes on the way in or pipe in NO2 into the studios for NPR. They must all go to the same School of Broadcasting. The smugness of some of them literally drips off my speakers. Liven it up a bit, NPR. Hire that guy that does the "monster truck rally" commercials or something.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 10:18:23am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 5, 2009 10:18:57am |
re: #290 aggieann
I always loved those SNL NPR sketches, especially "Schwetty Balls."
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 5, 2009 10:18:58am |
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kynna Tue, May 5, 2009 10:19:06am |
I've only listened to a couple of snippets of Savage and he seemed a spectacular waste of time. I've read some of the things he's said that are stupid and offensive and I assumed (and still do) he said those things to get attention and some news copy.
Still, it's like Canada banning Galloway. Why give the guy that kind of attention?
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 10:19:25am |
re: #295 Desert Dog
I think they pass out the quaaludes on the way in or pipe in NO2 into the studios for NPR. They must all go to the same School of Broadcasting. The smugness of some of them literally drips off my speakers. Liven it up a bit, NPR. Hire that guy that does the "monster truck rally" commercials or something.
Maybe they can get Billy Mays to do a show?
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 10:19:33am |
re: #290 aggieann
Skip Inskeep is the worst! Sounds like a frat boy at a party trying to persuade a girl to go back to his room.
Oh it would drive me crazy sometimes. Especially early in the morning. Right now I even tune out the hourly news report on the jazz station I sometimes listen to.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 10:19:45am |
re: #246 buzzsawmonkey
I wish that there were radio as intelligent and non-screaming as NPR, but with a conservative rather than a far-left slant.
Hell, I'd settle for a neutral "slant."
My problem with most of the "conservative talk show hosts"--and that includes the mighty Rush Limbaugh--is that they are all bombast, all the time, and their commercials are an offense to the sense of hearing.
That's why I listen to a local show in the morning here in Chicagoland and then turn it off afterward. I find Don and Roma (WLS-AM 890 5-9am) to be fairly decent. Don has a tendency to rant at times, but Roma (his wife) usually plays the foil. They often have on politicians as diverse as Jan Schakowsky (D) and Tony Peraica (R). If I'm in the car after 9am, I turn the channel as I can't stand the next host, Mancow, all that much.
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Cato the Elder Tue, May 5, 2009 10:19:52am |
re: #273 Gus 802
Nasal
lymusings of NPR. The typical NPR voice is sometimes the hardest part.
So you find the lack of vitriol and screaming a distraction?
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kynna Tue, May 5, 2009 10:19:55am |
re: #268 Egregious Philbin
Dennis Miller and Phil Hendrie are the closest to that. But, its all schtick, whatever sells soap, left or right, keep the listeners outraged and they tune in.
Tony Snow wasn't.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, May 5, 2009 10:19:59am |
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nikis-knight Tue, May 5, 2009 10:20:04am |
re: #294 buzzsawmonkey
Of course not.
I'm merely wishing that there were conservative radio that dealt not only with politics, but with culture--as NPR does--that was not blatantly leftist, as NPR is, and not garish and raucous, as the vast bulk of commercial conservative talk radio is.
Oh, in that case my recommendation was off by a bit--Prager still qualifies, but Bennet & Hewitt are 85% politics.
I used to listen to NPR at work; it was mostly politics and a couple of mechanics on the weekends.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 10:20:19am |
re: #295 Desert Dog
I think they pass out the quaaludes on the way in or pipe in NO2 into the studios for NPR. They must all go to the same School of Broadcasting. The smugness of some of them literally drips off my speakers. Liven it up a bit, NPR. Hire that guy that does the "monster truck rally" commercials or something.
"Coming up next on Fresh Air! Air Air! Author Toni Morrison discusses her latest book! Book! Book!"
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JCM Tue, May 5, 2009 10:20:27am |
re: #277 albusteve
colorful little place...
If you're into small towns in a beautiful location, Concrete is a great place.
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Mad Mullah Tue, May 5, 2009 10:20:36am |
re: #301 kynna
Still, it's like Canada banning Galloway. Why give the guy that kind of attention?
Galloway is a terrorist financier, hardly the same thing in my opinion.
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Desert Dog Tue, May 5, 2009 10:20:44am |
re: #302 CIA Reject
Maybe they can get Billy Mays to do a show?
That would do it! lol
"Here's the news, but wait, if you call now, I will give you double the news at the same price, a $45 value FREE, if you call in now!"
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 10:20:54am |
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Egregious Philbin Tue, May 5, 2009 10:21:30am |
re: #274 Alouette
Phil Hendrie has a spoof show. He does the voices for all of his "guests."
I know that, been listening to him since the old KFI days in LA, pre-syndication. But his show now, is about 1/4 spoof and the rest is regular talk, its good stuff.
And, Bud Dickman is always there in the background.
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 10:21:38am |
re: #295 Desert Dog
I think they pass out the quaaludes on the way in or pipe in NO2 into the studios for NPR. They must all go to the same School of Broadcasting. The smugness of some of them literally drips off my speakers. Liven it up a bit, NPR. Hire that guy that does the "monster truck rally" commercials or something.
Smugness is a good description. There must be something in their hiring standards to which all of them must adhere to. Either that or an NPR school of voice.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 10:22:08am |
re: #303 Gus 802
Oh it would drive me crazy sometimes. Especially early in the morning. Right now I even tune out the hourly news report on the jazz station I sometimes listen to.
I occasionally dabble in trying to divine the real news by what is NOT reported on NPR. It works fairly well (I knew the surge in Iraq was a success months ahead of everybody else because NPR stopped talking about Iraq completely) but it's a very tiring hobby ...
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:22:46am |
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zombie Tue, May 5, 2009 10:22:58am |
re: #278 nikis-knight
He doesn't advocate violence personally, like a firebrand Imam, but I have heard him say things like "turn it into a parking lot" regarding specific troubling Iraqi towns like Falluja. Of course, that wasn't a wildly unpopular sentiment at the time.
I think he majority of Americans, rather than take offense, would have applauded wildly anyone who advised the U.S. military to turn Fallujah into a parking lot during the darkest days of terror violence there. People were tired of sending US troops into the meat grinder because of modern rules of engagement that prevented massive bombing raids as in WWII and Vietnam. We were sacrificing American lives to avoid hurting the international community's sensibilities. Which was exactly Savage's point.
The British bureaucrats may have disliked Savage's opinion, but stating it "caused offense" as a rationale for banning him is wrong on so many levels. Mainly, because most Americans probably agreed with it, so it didn't cause offense; and second: even if someone did find it offensive, that merits the banning stick?
I find Michael Moore and Bill Ayers offensive. Extremely offensive. As to millions of other Americans. Will Britian ban them? No. Because Britain has become the left-wing "Big Little Brother" fascist nanny state supreme.
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Cato the Elder Tue, May 5, 2009 10:23:05am |
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thatemailname Tue, May 5, 2009 10:23:07am |
re: #71 subsailor68
As an American who was raised to treasure (and defend) the Constitution - including the First Amendment of course - I'm a little troubled by the idea of banning speech (with the obvious caveats of course). I know the UK is a different animal, but when we start creating lists of people who should be banned because of their speech, we start down a road that leads to very dark places.
Well put!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 5, 2009 10:23:07am |
I stopped listening to my local NPR station when they got rid of thier country and bluegrass shows. They also stopped airing American Routes, which is one of the best music shows on radio.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 10:23:31am |
re: #303 Gus 802
Oh it would drive me crazy sometimes. Especially early in the morning. Right now I even tune out the hourly news report on the jazz station I sometimes listen to.
You should discover the joy that is pandora internet radio. No news interruptions. Create your own stations. Minimal commercials.
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CIA Reject Tue, May 5, 2009 10:23:48am |
re: #313 Desert Dog
That would do it! lol
"Here's the news, but wait, if you call now, I will give you double the news at the same price, a $45 value FREE, if you call in now!"
LOL!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 5, 2009 10:23:51am |
re: #307 HoosierHoops
Hi Walter..Did you see the doc today? Are you not feeling well?
Nothing special. Just a routine echocardiogram, which was scheduled last Oct. and I missed. Last summer, I had an SVT episode (rapid heart rate, not life threatening), gave me a pill I take every day, and wanted me to follow up with the echo, just as a preventive measure. So that's what I had done this morning. If there is anything scary from the results, I suspect my doc will let me know.
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kynna Tue, May 5, 2009 10:24:12am |
re: #312 Mad Mullah
Galloway is a terrorist financier, hardly the same thing in my opinion.
True. But its not like they're enforcing it. So all it did was give him a boost in the martyr ratings amongst his constituents.
Yes, Galloway is more dangerous than Savage, but my point is that the end result is a positive for the guy they're trying to punish.
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 10:24:23am |
re: #266 filetandrelease
no. I mean there is a big difference between how the Japanese used waterboarding during WWII and how the US military performs it during SERE training.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 10:24:30am |
re: #315 buzzsawmonkey
What about WFMT? Have they gone blatant-leftist, or are they just music these days?
WFMT is all music, classical music. There's an NPR outlet on the FM dial though, 91.5, IIRC. We do have Savage on the air here, but on AM 560, WIND.
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:25:05am |
re: #300 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! Kept you in my prayers this morning; hoping all went well and you're back home with good news.
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formercorpsman Tue, May 5, 2009 10:25:38am |
re: #259 zombie
Zombie, that is it in a nutshell.
It is one thing as whole to implement the laws enacted by the voters.
The absolute contradiction, is that his opinions are being banned. Whether you hate him or not, think he is an idiot, buffoon, imbecile, he has not violated any laws that I am aware of in Britain.
Parse this with the hook-handed imam openly calling for the destruction of the government, blatant support for Hamas among their own elected leaders, I think this represents a very dangerous picture of exactly where western civilization is going these days.
For anyone thinking I might be carrying the water for Savage, I think I might have listened to him once. Moron was what came to mind.
I am thoroughly dismayed at the thought of the western nations who were on the brink of destruction less than a century ago, devouring themselves from within.
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NelsFree Tue, May 5, 2009 10:25:52am |
House Bill on Hate Crimes Legislation passed:
[Link: www.congress.org...]
The final line says: (Sec. 8) Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech.
/For now
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 5, 2009 10:25:57am |
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LGoPs Tue, May 5, 2009 10:25:57am |
re: #255 Egregious Philbin
Yeah, but simplistic crap like Savage is not good for a thinking mind. Its a sideshow.
Listen to Phil Hendrie, he is on the left on some things, on the right on the other, but is entertaining, funny as hell and a good listen. Same goes with Dennis Miller. But Savage? I like my cartoons animated.
I heard Hendrie eviscerate Arianna Huffington a few months back. He actually hung up on her, which was great.
At the same time, I do believe that while it would be nice to be selective and have only brilliant scholarly hosts on the radio, ala Dennis Prager IMO, there is something to be said for sheer volume and noise.
It is the same principle as establishing fire superiority in a firefight. It is not the accuracy of the fire that counts as much as the volume of it. The volume is what keeps the enemy's head down and allows one to gain the intiative, maneuver and neutralize (destroy) the opposition.
In today's dominant MFM culture the fire superiority is overwhelmingly on the left's side, with the right mainly in a reaction mode. Anything that helps to even that imbalance and puts them on the defensive is good in my book.
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Cato the Elder Tue, May 5, 2009 10:26:26am |
re: #329 Kenneth
no. I mean there is a big difference between how the Japanese used waterboarding during WWII and how the US military performs it during SERE training.
Of course it can never be torture when our guys do it. By definition.
I'm with Hitchens on this one.
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KenJen Tue, May 5, 2009 10:26:40am |
re: #269 nikis-knight
Dennis Prager, Bill Bennet, & Hugh Hewitt all qualify. That will keep you covered for 9 hours. Switch to music during the commericals, they are quite precise with the timing.
Have you listened to Mike McConnell. His show is called The Weekend it's pretty good.
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zuukie Tue, May 5, 2009 10:26:52am |
"This September the UN General Assembly will vote whether the Alliance of Civilizations initiative moves from that of preparatory to activation stage. The Alliance openly calls for tight controls on free speech. A Media Rapid Response force has been established to provide newspapers and television stations reporting “guidelines” during times of crisis, particularly in the area of where politics and religion intersect. "
[Link: www.pineline.blogspot.com...]
REPEAT: CALLS FOR TIGHT CONTROLS ON FREE SPEECH.
What you are seeing is the first test case of international pressure on freedom of speech. It's meant to accustom the plebes to what is coming and to see what kind of response there will be. You won't have a clue as to what is going on without knowing what is going on at the UN's Alliance of Civilizations meetings. It's an Muslim initiative whose cause is being used to control what we can say about individuals and organizations with whom we might disagree. Don't be surprised at how the "hate speech" bill that is being worked on in Congress will be interpreted and used.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, May 5, 2009 10:26:59am |
I love youtube
I know Kung Fu !
Show me.
THUNK !
Dumbass.
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Altermite Tue, May 5, 2009 10:27:32am |
Found savage's diatribe on gays, for those who wanted to know his opinions as far as that went:
"Oh, you're one of the sodomites," Savage said. "You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it."
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jvic Tue, May 5, 2009 10:28:18am |
re: #219 subsailor68
re: #210 jvicAgreed, but we are entitled to have one standard for our citizens and another for non-citizens. In fact, doing so is prudent, IMO.
I hear what you're saying, but I'm not so sure we even want to go there regarding non-citizens. Suppose the non-citizen is someone like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?
Reasonable people can disagree and I think your attitude is legitimate. I'd like to agree but I'm wary.
It's a matter of where to draw the line. I'm willing to use a preponderance-of-evidence standard for non-citizens.
It would be tragic to inadvertently bar a Solzhenitsyn. It would also be tragic to inadvertently help a Mao to regroup here. Some human rights are universal; a government should act on behalf of its citizens. Those two propositions do not always harmonize.
Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande. True, but so what?
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JustABill Tue, May 5, 2009 10:28:18am |
re: #140 KansasMom
I am glad to see Fred Phelps on the list. I have to wonder if Phelps has ever tried to travel to the UK, he's so busy protesting funerals here in the US.
I hope the rest of the members of Westboro baptist are on the list too, for Britain's sake anyway. Personally I'd like to see them move out of the US!
Has anyone tried to organize protests of the church? Not sure what the setup is, but if there is public grounds anywhere within earshot of the church, I'd love to see huge, loud demonstrations every time they try and have a service of any kind.
Ordinarily, I am not such a jerk, but turnabout is fair play...
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nikis-knight Tue, May 5, 2009 10:28:24am |
re: #335 LGoPs
You have a point, up to too broad of a definition of "anything," of course.
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Egregious Philbin Tue, May 5, 2009 10:28:27am |
Tony Snow was a good show. But there are guys out there, with national shows that are really bad. Michael Reagan and Mike Gallagher are painful to listen to, they are really not very smart. Limbaugh does great ratings and such, but in the end, he is a very uneducated guy. Laura Ingraham has become a very nasty person as of late, you could play a drinking game on how many times she says she is outraged(!) on each show. There was a show with Judge Napolitano that was pretty bad, John and Ken have become completely over the edge with fake outrage. Hannity is so programmed to say the same thing, its a crashing bore every day.
Boortz is good, Medved is good (except when he pimps his creationism), Hewitt is good (except when he pimps candidates), and Prager is a good show, tackling the issues.
Best show not on anymore? The one hour Penn Jillette show...I miss that show!
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albusteve Tue, May 5, 2009 10:29:25am |
Doc may not give in...
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 10:29:28am |
re: #305 Cato the Elder
So you find the lack of vitriol and screaming a distraction?
No. That drives me up the wall too.
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nikis-knight Tue, May 5, 2009 10:29:29am |
re: #337 KenJen
Have you listened to Mike McConnell. His show is called The Weekend it's pretty good.
Well, lately I don't listen to much except while driving, but when I worked weekends and was alone during weekday mornings KRLA 870 was a Godsend.
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JCM Tue, May 5, 2009 10:30:03am |
Nevada files voter fraud charges against ACORN
Nevada's attorney general on Monday filed criminal charges accusing liberal community activist group ACORN and two of its employees of facilitating voter registration fraud in November's election by requiring canvassers to submit 20 applications each day or face termination.
Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller and Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto , both Democrats, announced the charges, stressing that there's no evidence that the phony registrations led to the casting of votes using fake identities.
A spokesman for ACORN, a nationwide grassroots organization, assailed the action as "political grandstanding."
WA State jailed 5, 3 years ago.
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 10:30:58am |
re: #325 Sharmuta
You should discover the joy that is pandora internet radio. No news interruptions. Create your own stations. Minimal commercials.
Cool, thanks.
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Charles Johnson Tue, May 5, 2009 10:32:34am |
re: #205 Killgore Trout
Spencer spewing his usual crap.
There was absolutely nothing out of context about Mary Madigan's quote from crazy Pamela Geller. That was the whole point of Geller's post: "the Nazis are not the problem."
I guess Spencer thinks he's fooling people with this kind of rank garbage.
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 10:32:50am |
re: #300 Walter L. Newton
Hello! Good to see you looking so sprightly! I hope you're doing fine this afternoon.
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 10:33:08am |
re: #333 NelsFree
House Bill on Hate Crimes Legislation passed:
[Link: www.congress.org...]
The final line says: (Sec. 8) Declares that nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit the exercise of constitutionally-protected free speech.
/For now
What does it do? I assume it basically creates mandatory sentencing guidelines and creates new felony categories.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 10:33:17am |
re: #282 HoosierHoops
Good Afternoon Lizards! I see LGF is working better this afternoon..
I was right. The Celtics are exhausted, and the bench is very shallow.
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funky chicken Tue, May 5, 2009 10:33:34am |
re: #53 Kosh's Shadow
The Saudis should be ashamed, yes.
Oh, you wanted to know if Jews should be ashamed of not being allowed in Saudi Arabia. Well, I'm not.
My husband's been there quite a few times back in the 1990s with the USAF, and he says you aren't missing anything.
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Shug Tue, May 5, 2009 10:33:42am |
Stay tuned:
Soon to be banned in Britain:
The Bible, and bacon.
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neocon hippie Tue, May 5, 2009 10:33:59am |
re: #246 buzzsawmonkey
Hugh Hewitt, Dennis Prager and Michael Medved.
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Charles Johnson Tue, May 5, 2009 10:34:53am |
I invite anyone to examine the difference in tone between Spencer's raving posts, drenched in insults and ad hominem attacks, and what I've written on the subject.
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medaura18586 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:37:49am |
re: #259 zombie
That is outrageous. I can guarantee the bureaucrats who banned Michael Savage have never listened to his show. They just heard the complaints from CAIR and the Autism over-diagnosis true-believers, and based their ruling on that.
Michael Savage does not advocate violence on air. Basically, Britain is banning him because he has an opinion. The wrong opinion.
One could say of MANY people that their opinions "have caused great offence in the US." Including, I might add, the President.
The double and triple standards for first-world citizens versus second and third world citizens abound! I remember applying for my first visa to come to the U.S. as an exchange student, back in 2003. So many people, waiting in line at the embassy, their concern visible on their faces... Out of nearly 55 people who went in for an interview that day, only about 6-7 got a visa. I was one of the lucky few. A rough-looking malnourished highlander confessed to me as we were waiting, that he wanted to take his family over to the U.S. and just work there... as in, overstay his visa and be an illegal immigrant. I told him that sounded like a bad idea, since he and his family would never be able to advance above the shadows of illegality into respectable professions. He said, "Girl, how high-minded of you, I just want to feed my family." Obviously, the consular officers could read his face and denied him...
But many others were denied who didn't deserve it. A woman had saved tens of thousands of dollars from her family's contributions (an unfathomable sum in poor Albania), in order to take her young daughter to the U.S. for a complicated life-saving surgical procedure. I chatted with her a bit... she was definitely legit. Her stern face bore it all. She even had her little girl there with her. Yup, she got turned down.
Another young man, whose parents had immigrated to the U.S. as Green Card holders, wanted to visit because his mother had died in Boston, and his father was grief-stricken and without any help for funeral arrangements. He got turned down to, even after providing income tax documents, bank account balances, and other documentation as evidence that he had a going concern in Albania. Furthermore, he had visited in the U.S. before, so if he had wanted to overstay his visa, he certainly had had a chance, and didn't take it. That wasn't good enough. He got turned down.
Guess what, none of these people thought to sue any branches of the U.S. government. They considered the issuing of a visa to be a privilege granted by the U.S. authorities at their discretion. Were they frustrated? Yes, but ultimately they knew they had no grounds to complain.
What's with this sense of entitlement? Perhaps U.S. citizens are too complacent about international travel, their travel to most countries not requiring pre-screening or visas.
Savage is nothing but a conceited fuck, and while I don't listen to his show enough to know whether he has advocated violence on air, I know he has supported genocide and attempted genocide in Bosnia and Kosovo, respectively. That's good enough for me...
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 10:38:01am |
re: #338 zuukie
"This September the UN General Assembly will vote whether the Alliance of Civilizations initiative moves from that of preparatory to activation stage. The Alliance openly calls for tight controls on free speech. A Media Rapid Response force has been established to provide newspapers and television stations reporting “guidelines” during times of crisis, particularly in the area of where politics and religion intersect. "
[Link: www.pineline.blogspot.com...]
REPEAT: CALLS FOR TIGHT CONTROLS ON FREE SPEECH.
What you are seeing is the first test case of international pressure on freedom of speech. It's meant to accustom the plebes to what is coming and to see what kind of response there will be. You won't have a clue as to what is going on without knowing what is going on at the UN's Alliance of Civilizations meetings. It's an Muslim initiative whose cause is being used to control what we can say about individuals and organizations with whom we might disagree. Don't be surprised at how the "hate speech" bill that is being worked on in Congress will be interpreted and used.
So, we won't be able to criticize Muslims who call Jews "sons of pigs and monkeys", but anyone who insults their "prophet" (pork and bacon upon him) will be drawn and quartered.
And if Obama has his way, the Supreme Court will support this over the Constitution.
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:39:15am |
re: #341 jvic
Reasonable people can disagree and I think your attitude is legitimate. I'd like to agree but I'm wary.
It's a matter of where to draw the line. I'm willing to use a preponderance-of-evidence standard for non-citizens.
It would be tragic to inadvertently bar a Solzhenitsyn. It would also be tragic to inadvertently help a Mao to regroup here. Some human rights are universal; a government should act on behalf of its citizens. Those two propositions do not always harmonize.
Family values don't stop at the Rio Grande. True, but so what?
I can certainly see your side of the equation as well! I'm with you on being wary. Freedom must be based on education, wisdom, and courage. The education to have a sense of the tragedies that someone like Mao unleashed, the wisdom to recognize that kind of demagogic rhetoric when we hear it, and the courage to stand against it.
Not sure I have the answer.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 5, 2009 10:39:57am |
re: #352 Charles
There was absolutely nothing out of context about Mary Madigan's quote from crazy Pamela Geller. That was the whole point of Geller's post: "the Nazis are not the problem."
I guess Spencer thinks he's fooling people with this kind of rank garbage.
On all these "rebuttal's" of Robert's, he keeps using the words "libel, character assassination and defamation."
If he is so sure of these terms, then why doesn't he go ahead and do something about it.
It's because it wouldn't stand up in a court of law and he knows it, but it works as nice hyperbole to whip up his readers.
Cheap-assed tactics.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 5, 2009 10:40:42am |
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zuukie Tue, May 5, 2009 10:40:49am |
Honorary Yooper 304
I like Don and Roma also, but there is a time for soft information and a time to bite the bullet to learn what is really going on in Illinois, the US and internationally. As a culture is being changed, to hear about what is going on and have to make decisions as to what is accurate information and what is only sensational information is difficult. The Germans during the 1930s didn't want to hear that the government they liked was planning to destroy them in the long run. It was probably much nicer to hear weather reports and information about festivals and the latest hikes in the mountains.
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Shug Tue, May 5, 2009 10:41:27am |
I find it hilarious and pathetic at the same time that a nation that has George Galloway in it's government, bans a radio talk show host.
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gander Tue, May 5, 2009 10:42:50am |
Good for you Michael Savage. A government you detest has banned you from the country it controls. It doesn't get any better than that for for someone in his line of business.
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Shug Tue, May 5, 2009 10:43:54am |
re: #368 gander
Good for you Michael Savage. A government you detest has banned you from the country it controls. It doesn't get any better than that for for someone in his line of business.
It's the equivalent of Tipper Gore sticking a PARENTAL ADVISORY sticker on an Aerosmith album.
Guarantees an extra million sales
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LGoPs Tue, May 5, 2009 10:43:59am |
re: #349 JCM
Nevada files voter fraud charges against ACORN
WA State jailed 5, 3 years ago.
I'm real hard core on voter fraud and think there should be draconian punishment to discourage anyone from even thinking about it.
Voter fraud steals from every one of us and invalidates one of our most sacred rights.
It's become almost fashionable to smirk at stories like this going backto the Nixon Kennedy election where it became common knowledge that Mayor Daley in Chicago won the leection by having citizens vote while they were taking dirt naps.
I can handle losing an election fair and square. i cannot abide losing one because it was stolen.
Throw the bastards in jail for at least 10 years.
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Flyers1974 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:44:07am |
re: #233 realwest
Actually, there are no freedom of speech protections regarding foreigners attempting to visit the US. I think the difference is we don't have a list of banned people which we release to the general public.
A foreigner applying for a visa to the US can be denied for any reason (subject of course to internal regulations, etc... .) There is no appeal process and once rejected, the person applying cannot apply again for one year.
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 10:46:08am |
re: #336 Cato the Elder
Of course it can never be torture when our guys do it. By definition.
Are you being sarcastic? Of course it can be torture when Americans do it. It's not a matter of who does it or why, it's matter of how. The word "waterboarding" is used to describe a whole range of possible activities, some of which are clearly torture and some of which are not.
To answer the question, "Is waterboarding torture?", you have to define both terms. Most commentators I have heard or read in the media don't bother defining either. They simply jump in with a predetermined conclusion.
1. Define torture.
2. Describe precisely the procedure by which waterboarding was performed by the CIA on those three Al Qaeda terrorists.
3. Then rationally conclude whether or not that instance was torture, based upon the definition of torture and procedure described.
Congress would have you believe waterboarding was not torture when they approved it's use in 2003, but it retroactively became torture during the election campaign of 2007. What changed?
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Shug Tue, May 5, 2009 10:46:24am |
re: #369 Iron Fist
Is it just me, or has the country pretty much gone back to sleep and forgotten 9-11?
they were still asleep on 7/7.
stirred momentarily. placed a few teddy bears and wreaths.
went back to sleep
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medaura18586 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:47:38am |
For what it's worth, I'd like to draw a distinction between banning a book, or the expression of an idea, to the banning of entry to foreign individuals.
Every country selectively bars entry to foreigners. The U.S. does it to millions. Check how many rejected visa applications or immigration petitions have been issued. You'll be amazed. It's done for a variety of reasons. Often, simply if you don't come across as an agreeable person to the consular officer interviewing you, something about your accent, your hairstyle, your eyes, doesn't click, you're out! They don't even owe you much of an explanation.
I don't see what's so outrageous here about banning Savage.
Freedom of speech within your territories, on the other hand, is a completely different issue.
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philip Tue, May 5, 2009 10:48:01am |
I have to say I support this, because IMHO Europe does not need any more Nazi-type race-baiters.
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kansas Tue, May 5, 2009 10:48:53am |
I wish they would ban Fred Phelps here. But banning Savage is harbinger of evil things to come. Wonder if the Brits and French will again have to be rescued by Americans?
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S'latch Tue, May 5, 2009 10:50:34am |
It is too bad.
Michael Savage is a mental disorder.
Great Britain would be a perfect asylum.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 5, 2009 10:51:38am |
re: #376 philip
Bye-bye shit head. What the hell are you talking about? Can you provide some links to Savage's race baiting? Of course not.
Git.
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Flyers1974 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:51:41am |
re: #375 medaura18586
You are absolutely correct. I don't think there is a specific regulation or court opinion on the subject, but in practice, anyone can be denied entry to the US for any reason (in the context of foreigners with no legal status that is.) I assume its the same the world over.
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neocon hippie Tue, May 5, 2009 10:51:41am |
BTW, Savage under his real name of Michael Weiner wrote a number of books advocating various questionable alternative medical practices. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he were anti-vax. Anyone know?
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OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 10:52:37am |
re: #305 Cato the Elder
So you find the lack of vitriol and screaming a distraction?
I find the thinly-veiled antisemitism distracting.
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medaura18586 Tue, May 5, 2009 10:53:11am |
re: #16 lawhawk
Again, this is a tough call. US free speech allows both, but both the execrable Black and Savage aren't in the US. They're in the UK, where the free speech laws are different.
It would be nice if all the world had the same respect for free speech that the US does, but that's simply not the case. They have instead sought to ban their presence, even though one can just as easily obtain what they have to say online. Their physical presence in the UK would actually make it easier to fight their hate speech and inane statements with more statements - shedding light on their racism and anti-Semitism (in Black's case) and stupidity in Savage's case. Instead, they'll slink around the corners and fringes by getting their message spread online.
The U.S. bans the presence of millions. That doesn't interfere with its free-speech protections. Other countries have the right to ban the presence of U.S. citizens from their territories. It doesn't have anything to do with freedom of speech either. Why the double standard?
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equable Tue, May 5, 2009 10:57:06am |
I am more of a Levin fan but sometimes I will skim through Weiner's archives for shits and giggles. I take Weiner about as seriously as I do the thought of a Hanson mosh pit.
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jvic Tue, May 5, 2009 10:57:57am |
re: #363 subsailor68
Not sure I have the answer.
On that we agree...
Let suggest that a limited-government attitude accepts that legitimate aspirations and values can conflict. Some people accept that smugly; all too often, their view of freedom boils down to the freedom of the strong to oppress the weak. Some people refuse to accept it; all too often, their refusal leads to the nanny state or worse.
Thanks for your thoughts. I profited from this interchange, but gotta go.
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unpaidbills Tue, May 5, 2009 10:59:42am |
re: #376 philip
Michael Savage was the only talk show radio personality who hit the nail on the head after the London 7/7 bombings.
He was screaming why the hell was tony blair and the british police chief warning Londoner's not to retaliate against muslims when londoners had just been blown to bits and were dead, dying in hospitals, young female secretaries with legs and arms blown off and that prick blair was warning londoners not to protect themselves.
Michael savage is right, Europe needs a right wing revolution.
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JohnAdams Tue, May 5, 2009 11:02:28am |
Regardless of who is or isn't on the list, the fact that the British govt has nothing better to do than make a list is just complete and utter hogwash.
What is happening to that once-proud nation?
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medaura18586 Tue, May 5, 2009 11:02:49am |
re: #66 yesandno
You hit the nail on the head. We forget that we protect freedom of speech to a greater degree then any other nation. This is what happens when you criminalize actions and thoughts into things like hate crimes or hate speech. Sometimes the majority doesn't get it right. A crime is a crime. Making it a hate crime doesn't really make something like murder any worse...it might explain intent, but the result is the same.
Freedom of speech needs to be protected everywhere.... The Brits are more concerned with feelings then with freedom...no cartoons either.
I'll pass along that tip to certain acquaintances of mine, who are working on their applications for a visa for entry into the U.S. They'll give the U.S. consular that little speech, and I'll be sure to let you know how far it gets them.
Seriously, people, ... Americans on this thread sound absolutely delusional about the operations of their own country.
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Equable Tue, May 5, 2009 11:03:31am |
re: #387 Iron Fist
I get really pissed at the people who don't want voters to show any identification in order to vote...
I am very grateful and proud to be able to vote, so even though identification is not required in my district I show it anyway. When they tell me that it isn't a requirement I tell them that I am making a little "statement".
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 11:04:03am |
re: #359 Charles
The number of logical fallacies is stunning, for one. The constant cries of libel, another.
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zuukie Tue, May 5, 2009 11:05:47am |
If you read the comments after the story at
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...] you'll see the people over there think the lady is way out of line. People in England who are aware realize the laws in Europe are coming out of the UN and Brussels and Smith is only a spokesperson for that group. Whether it's hate laws or banning, it has a chilling effect on the average person's willingness to speak out against any government sponsored activity.
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philip Tue, May 5, 2009 11:10:33am |
re: #379 Walter L. Newton
Bye-bye shit head. What the hell are you talking about? Can you provide some links to Savage's race baiting? Of course not.
Git.
Yes I can, listen to his show. He would make Goebbels proud, imho.
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pbird Tue, May 5, 2009 11:10:35am |
re: #44 _RememberTonyC
My issue with Savage is the same as with Beck. There are a few things I agree with him/them about, but there are so many negatives that I need to take a shower if I stay around their shows too long.
He bloviates selfrighteously about stuff I know him to be either incorrect or lying about.
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philip Tue, May 5, 2009 11:12:10am |
re: #388 unpaidbills
Michael Savage was the only talk show radio personality who hit the nail on the head after the London 7/7 bombings.
He was screaming why the hell was tony blair and the british police chief warning Londoner's not to retaliate against muslims
Michael savage is right, Europe needs a right wing revolution.
All the more reason it's a good idea to ban him from the country, imho. Genocidal Nazi-types are the last thing Europe needs right now, be they Westerners or Islamist militants.
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voirdire Tue, May 5, 2009 11:12:44am |
I have two questions? 1)Where can I get a copy of the UK entry rules? 2) Will I have to bow?
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JohnAdams Tue, May 5, 2009 11:17:06am |
A healthy, robust England would not have to make such a list. The people themselves would police out the crazies on either right or left--they would be marginalized by public opinion. The same people who made up this list are the ones who are crushing out the spirit of the average person, creating a ripe atmosphere for loons and haters. It can happen in America, too, and indeed already is.
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pbird Tue, May 5, 2009 11:18:00am |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 11:21:34am |
re: #369 Iron Fist
Is it just me, or has the country pretty much gone back to sleep and forgotten 9-11?
I hate to think of what will wake everyone back up.
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medaura18586 Tue, May 5, 2009 11:21:54am |
re: #114 Spartacus50
Meanwhile Ken Livingstone and Joseph Galloway are welcomed with open arms.
They're British citizens though... small but crucial distinction. What do you propose, that they send their own citizens into exile?
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medaura18586 Tue, May 5, 2009 11:25:55am |
re: #136 Mr Spiffy
I would listen to Savage sometimes in Gainesville, his emphasis on "Borders, Language and Culture" makes a lot of sense; but he lost me when he harangued people for watching baseball in the run up to OIF--baseball is a part of our culture!
After that he seemed like the kid who didn't want to play because he was never picked.
Yup, his anti-baseball diatribes are Savage's biggest problems. That's where he loses you. Not when he screams like a bigoted lunatic, defends mass murderers, offends parents of children with disabilities, but when he babbles against baseball...
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 11:29:20am |
re: #325 Sharmuta
You should discover the joy that is pandora internet radio. No news interruptions. Create your own stations. Minimal commercials.
Pandora radio gives me hope for the human race. Really. What a fantastic invention. (And the price is right!)
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raven1 Tue, May 5, 2009 11:30:50am |
I would bet Obama would like to ban Savage, Limbaugh, and many others he disagrees with. Those here applauding this ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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Spartacus50 Tue, May 5, 2009 12:00:27pm |
re: #163 blangwort
I sometimes listen to Savage to remind myself what dogmatic hatred sounds like.
I can understand that it might frighten some people. But banning it isn't the answer. Will they ban him from the Internet too? I'd like to see how that would work.
It is good that we give people like Savage the opportunity to let off some steam, even if it is filled with bile and nonsense. The alternative is to ban him and give him a reason to fight.
No, the real danger is not Michael Savage. It's the censors. Today it's a hate monger. Tomorrow, it could be you.
Is Michael Savage really that bad? You may find his schtick cringeworthy, or distasteful but what has he done to incur such wrath? What if Britain had banned Rush Limbaugh? Can that be far behind?
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Spartacus50 Tue, May 5, 2009 12:04:43pm |
re: #403 medaura18586
They're British citizens though... small but crucial distinction. What do you propose, that they send their own citizens into exile?
Who is the final arbiter to decide which person is appropriate or not? It is a foolish exercise in political correctness.
I am not recommending anybody be sent into exile. Anybody who is not the least bit disturbed by what "Home Office" has done should have their head examined.
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Ontheleftcoast Tue, May 5, 2009 12:05:37pm |
I used to listen to him when he was a local talk show host out of the San Francisco Bay Area. He would talk about himself, say he was a manic depressive who managed his own condition without drugs, just red wine and nutritional supplements. I don't think he was joking.
Even one of my favorite bits (there was a terrible traffic jam on the Bay Bridge, and he put on some Cuban music and encouraged people stuck at the toll plaza to get out of their cars and dance) was pretty manicky.
It's awful, but it's also sad.
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Eowyn2 Tue, May 5, 2009 12:16:10pm |
that will teach Michael to make fun of the bakewell tarts.
dastardly man.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, May 5, 2009 12:19:34pm |
re: #105 tfc3rid
Michael Weiner.
I saw what the man's real name is and just had to laugh at how truly appropriate it is.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, May 5, 2009 12:25:15pm |
re: #340 Altermite
Found savage's diatribe on gays, for those who wanted to know his opinions as far as that went:
"Oh, you're one of the sodomites," Savage said. "You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it."
Wow. This guy is serial.
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cubbydave44 Tue, May 5, 2009 12:47:15pm |
I guess if Savage is on there, they should include guys like Glen Beck too...
Seriously though, has anyone ever heard of someone committing an act of violence in the name of Michael Savage (evidenced)...?
Maybe this is all just British humor that us slow Americans are just not witty enough to understand...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 1:04:25pm |
I just recently heard Savage say that Princess Diana's death was actually an assassination carried out by British Secret Intelligence to prevent her unborn, half-arab baby from ascending to the throne. I wonder if that has something to do with their decision to bar his entry.
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Ben Hur Tue, May 5, 2009 1:12:55pm |
If you ban me, I will become more powerful than you can imagine.
/Michael Ben Kenobe Savage.
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zuukie Tue, May 5, 2009 1:21:45pm |
And just how is Savage powerful? His very popular radio show and books are ignored by the establishment conservatives who pretend they are some kind of opposition to the left. He has no political or religious organization. He doesn't go around the country giving speeches. He has a daily radio show. Period. People who agree with him listen. People who don't, don't listen. His danger to the establishment is in letting people know they are not alone in their views, not isolated. Big threat.
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n2stox Tue, May 5, 2009 1:22:44pm |
This Brit sillines reflects more on Britain than it does on Savage.
I do remember him saying specifically that the English Football Hooligan is Britain's only hope against the Islamification of their country.
That was 2+ years ago, and it has become more true every day, in my opinion.
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n2stox Tue, May 5, 2009 1:32:07pm |
re: #404 medaura18586
Yup, his anti-baseball diatribes are Savage's biggest problems. That's where he loses you. Not when he screams like a bigoted lunatic, defends mass murderers, offends parents of children with disabilities, but when he babbles against baseball...
Savage only offended those parents because they never heard his show.
He never made such an offense. His claim was that autism was way overly mis-diagnosed due to (mostly) a large expansion in the definition of autism, and doctors motivated by something other than the welfare of the child.
Here is a site to check to hear the clips from the horse's mouth.
[Link: www.savageonautism.com...]
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Curtain of Oz Tue, May 5, 2009 1:50:06pm |
Savage must be beside himself with joy. More listeners, more book sales, and all a big gift from Londistan.
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medaura18586 Tue, May 5, 2009 1:56:57pm |
re: #418 n2stox
Savage only offended those parents because they never heard his show.
He never made such an offense. His claim was that autism was way overly mis-diagnosed due to (mostly) a large expansion in the definition of autism, and doctors motivated by something other than the welfare of the child.
Here is a site to check to hear the clips from the horse's mouth.
[Link: www.savageonautism.com...]
What about his calling homosexual "pigs," and applauding mass murderers? Find me some clips to airbrush away those issues too, if you will.
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Mad Mullah Tue, May 5, 2009 2:06:01pm |
re: #412 Jimmah
Wow. This guy is serial.
That particular clip is on youtube. I believe that his television show was cancelled pretty quick after that.
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hellosnackbar Tue, May 5, 2009 2:09:39pm |
One can almost imagine a conversation in the home office concerning those on the banned list.
There has been a ruling with respect to"undesirable aliens" admission for years(Louis Farrakan was an earlier recipient of this distinction).
Because of the "stick" that the labour government has received from the likes of Melanie Phillips, Nick Cohen, Rod Little and others as to the admission of Islamic nutters into this country.
New Labour(18 points behind in the polls)have clearly made the decision that their position is perilous;and that the free admission of Muslims who advocate world domination should be stamped on.
But, in order to demonstrate political impartiality the order went out to include some Americans probably according to the following thinking:
1) Barking mad
2)Of little consequence
3)Unlikely to visit this country anyway
Free speech probably didn't come into the equation at all(although I believe there is a de facto discouragement anyway; particularly with respect to sensitive muslims).Pat Condell might echo that.
New Labour have made some serious mistakes with respect to our whining minority;the evidence clearly being the rise of BNP scum.
I've never heard of this Savage chap;but he's clearly a loud mouthed moron.
BTW I heard Rush Limbaugh on the Beeb recently decscribing a successful operation he'd had on his inner ear.
He was the soul of propriety;praising the talent of the surgeon who had cured his deafness.
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Wishbone Tue, May 5, 2009 2:40:09pm |
re: #417 n2stox
This Brit sillines reflects more on Britain than it does on Savage.
I do remember him saying specifically that the English Football Hooligan is Britain's only hope against the Islamification of their country.
That was 2+ years ago, and it has become more true every day, in my opinion.
And I've been railing against idiots on this very blog putting forward the same notions about the dreaded 'Football Hooligans' for some 2+ years too. Shame you weren't around or you wouldn't be repeating the same silliness now. Apart from some silliness that went on at a couple of Stoke City games lately, the game has been quite on that front for a good long time. If you want to have a good look at some nasty thugs, look to the terraces of Italian football and all their good little fascists, or listen to the monkey noises when black players run out on Spanish pitches.
Any of which shit would get you: Banned. For. Life in an English football ground.
Can't see your opinion going too far with real English football fans, mate.
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descolada9 Tue, May 5, 2009 2:47:00pm |
I used to listen to Savage some years back, but no longer do (my local station went to Mark Levin in the same slot). He was ettinga bit too crazy and ranting for me towards the end, but I did like his personal history monologues and philosophical discussions. Now, don't think me a nut, but I can't help but think he might make a good counter to Garrison Keilor.
But as for Michael on politics, yeah, it just got to be too much for me.
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Archimedes Tue, May 5, 2009 2:54:53pm |
re: #89 OldLineTexan
Martha Stewart! ... slowly I turned ... step by step ... inch by inch ...
/watch her, she may redecorate something
I like her and admire her, except the fact that she is a liberal. :-)
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hellosnackbar Tue, May 5, 2009 3:04:24pm |
re423#Wishbone,
Thanks for telling the Yanks; when they get it wrong.
Just finished watching the MU match;have supported them since 1956.
Fantastic result!
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Wishbone Tue, May 5, 2009 3:10:44pm |
re: #426 hellosnackbar
LOL........ I do hope you'll excuse this Liverpool fan from joining in the celebrations :)
Looking forward to tomorrows game. I think Barca will go through, 'cos Chelski are going to have to come out and play and I think that's where they'll get caught. As long as Barcelona can find the bloody net this time, that is.
The Catelans will give you a game in Rome mate :)
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, May 5, 2009 3:27:46pm |
re: #414 Slumbering Behemoth
I just recently heard Savage say that Princess Diana's death was actually an assassination carried out by British Secret Intelligence to prevent her unborn, half-arab baby from ascending to the throne. I wonder if that has something to do with their decision to bar his entry.
I think the violent homophobic ranting might have been enough on it's own. I'm pretty sure some rappers have been refused entry into the UK and other countries recently for that reason.
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PaxAmericana Tue, May 5, 2009 3:36:05pm |
Did Savage have any plans to visit England?
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voluble Tue, May 5, 2009 5:32:29pm |
I read where it was his views on the Koran that lead to the banning. Given my views on the Koran I would no doubt give the same authorities cause for my banning in England as well. Indeed, it is a fair bet that anyone of conscience who has read the thing would be fair game for banning as it truly is a vile tract.
The important thing here is to remember that no one thinks Savage would be a threat to commit violence. They fear that others may commit violence if he says something they do not like... such as pointing out how they are too violent. The gas being thrown on the fire has nothing to do with anything Savage says. It is the acquiescence of a once great nation to threats of violence that encourages... more threats... and ultimately more violence.
The English are creating their own prison in the hopes that barbarians who are left to run wild will think better of them for their efforts. It is a fool's errand.
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anotherindyfilmguy Tue, May 5, 2009 5:38:39pm |
For a country intent on not letting anyone own firearms they sure can shoot themselves in the foot...
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Quasar Tue, May 5, 2009 9:17:51pm |
Savage talks from his heart or gut without the "political correctness check" the way people used to voice their opinions. That's what I like about him.
He's honest, has conviction and has the balls to state his case or opinion on whatever topic.
Yea he can get off the rail a bit and piss people off but really cm on. Is that hate or just another opinion voiced in a manor that is not all "nice pre packaged processed bullshit" to please everyone ?
I have listened to him a lot and I think he is smart as hell and funny as shit. He is usually spot on with current world affairs and sides with no one but his own opinion.
When compared to most of the other talking bobble heads on TV or radio he is by far the best.
You really got to listen to him for more than a few seconds, I notice that much of the hate comes from those that quote or heard pre selected content of one negative form or another.
Banned - I think it's cause he's always breaking their balls on the poor dental care. ; )
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The Drizzle Tue, May 5, 2009 10:30:29pm |
While a lot of the "conservatives" in these comments put Savage down and gladhand each other for taking the high road,the left wing continues to bulldoze this country into oblivion. To the commenter that said savage called gays pigs:you are being real damn selective. He singled out specific persons, who happened to be gay "activists", and called them pigs. He regularly calls liberals pigs also. There big thing now is apparently to do whatever we can to make everyone like us, in the hopes that we'll get elected again. Who cares if we become a permanant minority party, and the country turns into a 3rd world shithole;at least we are taking the high road. Am I right?
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fat.elvis Tue, May 5, 2009 11:57:57pm |
I agree with half of what Savage says but the rest of the time the man is a spitting frothing clown. This is based on 4 or 5 hours of listening in the car when I was bored. Half of things the "doctor" says are are completely ignorant. Couldn't even draw a distinction b/n RFK and JFK in one of his rants. Complete embarrassing assclown. More of an Olbermann than the great bore "great American" butthole Hannity.
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The Drizzle Wed, May 6, 2009 3:58:09am |
That, my friend, is the problem. A lot of people that have only listened for " a few hours" to Savage feel compelled to write him off as an "embarassment". Listen, the same people on the left that hate Savage him him ONLY because he is to the right. That is it. A lot of people here act like they are so above anything he says, or any valid point he makes is therefore invalid because he is "a clown". When did conservatives lose their will stand for anything, I don't know, conservative? To hear some people tell it, the worst thing about the Republican party is that a lot of them are creationists, when the real problem is the limp assed, left of center sad - sacks that have taken over the party. Again though, we have the "high road". At least when we lose the next 20 elections, we can all feel good about not playing at "their level". Who knows, the media might even say something nce about us for being so fair!
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Irenicum Wed, May 6, 2009 8:33:14am |
re: #175 KenJen
Yeah, and then change his first name to Dick!
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unpaidbills Wed, May 6, 2009 8:19:00pm |
re: #423 Wishbone
yeah what is it with americans and the holy grail of "football hooligans" who will fight off the dreaded muslims?
I suggest that all Americans read "amongst the thugs" by Bill Buford, a bibliography of Bill, an American reporter who travels extensively with local english football firms, hooligans. criminals is all they are, non political but mostly just pro their home team.
these hooligans care nothing for their country, they just want to fight the rival teams supporters and towns.
grade A shit, human waste that's all they are.
we need top rank ex military, not uneducated chavs.
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unpaidbills Wed, May 6, 2009 8:21:55pm |
re: #392 Iron Fist
that's what you said in 1939. 2 years later 6000 americans died in one morning on d-day.
same shit different century
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LeMay Sun, May 10, 2009 8:10:54am |
I listen to Dr. Savage regularly. The point of his broadcast is not that one must agree with everything he says, rather, that one needs to use critical thinking in regards to what the news of the day is and not just listen to pundits on television say it is. The idea of his broadcast is THINKING. He stimulates another viewpoint, getting people to consider other ways of looking at a problem. This used to be called discourse, logic. Have we, in this "modern" age jettisoned the need for reflection. I have heard many of Dr. Savage's points, and he backs them up with reason.
I wrote the British government. I asked them to put me on their banned list as well!
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Trump’s “Stolen Election” Lie Based on Evidence From Pervy Bathroom Cam-Spy OK, this really takes the cake. If you have relatives that still cling to the “election was stolen, dadgum, I jes’ KNOW IT … This should be a slight remedy to the stubborn madness Thanks to online anonymity, the ...
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Best of April 2024 Nothing new here but these are a look back at the a few good images from the past month. Despite the weather, I was quite pleased with several of them. These were taken with older lenses (made from the ...
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Gateway Pundit, Sued by Election Workers, Declares BankruptcyA onetime favorite, now just pathetic figure around these parts, Jim Hoft aka SMOTI ("Stupidest Man On The Internet"), has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in response to the defamation lawsuits filed against him to the same election workers that ... Khal Wimpo (free internal organs upon request!)
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
