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We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
— Carl Sagan
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Neutral President Mon, May 4, 2009 11:50:17pm |
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
It should be easy for those of us who do to rule the world then...
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Killian Bundy Mon, May 4, 2009 11:51:28pm |
/why English?
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HelloDare Mon, May 4, 2009 11:51:58pm |
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology, especially creationists.
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BignJames Mon, May 4, 2009 11:52:32pm |
re: #2 ArchangelMichael
It should be easy for those of us who do to rule the world then...
You have seen "Frankenstein"....right?
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Fenway_Nation Mon, May 4, 2009 11:53:34pm |
So...would any lizards be interested in some remote control locomotives currently for sale?
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freetoken Mon, May 4, 2009 11:57:07pm |
re: #3 Killian Bundy
Killian - your name was invoked, one flight down.
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Killian Bundy Mon, May 4, 2009 11:57:32pm |
re: #3 Killian Bundy
/why English?
Oh, and they cropped the photo.
/the dude pouting right behind this guy has the bumper sticker plastered on his forehead
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 4, 2009 11:57:47pm |
Sad because it's true, and I am no exception.
/still learning
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freetoken Mon, May 4, 2009 11:58:55pm |
re: #3 Killian Bundy
Killian - your name was invoked, one flight down.
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 12:00:26am |
Today in History, May 5th:
Highlights of this day in history: Alan Shepard becomes the first American in space; France's Napoleon Bonaparte dies; Philosopher Karl Marx born; IRA member Bobby Sands during a prison hunger strike; Carnegie Hall opens in New York.
Other notable May 5th events include:
1494 – Christopher Columbus lands on the island of Jamaica and claims it for Spain.
1809 – Mary Kies becomes the first woman awarded a U.S. patent, for a technique of weaving straw with silk and thread.
1862 – Cinco de Mayo in Mexico: troops led by Ignacio Zaragoza halt a French invasion in the Battle of Puebla.
1921 – Coco Chanel introduces Chanel No. 5
1925 – Scopes Trial: John T. Scopes served an arrest warrant for teaching evolution in violation of the Butler Act.
1955 – West Germany gains full sovereignty.
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 12:01:04am |
Wheel keeps turning and now I'm getting double wheels. Strange.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 12:01:28am |
re: #7 freetoken
Killian - your name was invoked, one flight down.
Yeah, whatever, not sure where I said anything was cut and dried.
/anyway, always Shepardize your case law, in case you actually have to go before a court
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 12:01:53am |
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 12:02:46am |
re: #12 Gus 802
Wheel keeps turning and now I'm getting double wheels. Strange.
I'm getting the same problem – that's why today's "This Day in History" post was 26 seconds late!
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 12:04:13am |
re: #5 BignJames
You have seen "Frankenstein"....right?
My father looks like Frankenstein,
my mom looks like Godzilla,
my brother looks like Dracula,
my sister, Vampirella.
My family is the scariest
in this entire city.
I really can't explain how I
turned out to be so pretty.
–Kenn Nesbitt
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 12:04:23am |
re: #15 gmsc
I'm getting the same problem – that's why today's "This Day in History" post was 26 seconds late!
Just emptied my temp files and cleared everything. Also restarted the modem. Same deal.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 12:05:19am |
Also getting the spinning wheel.
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 12:05:53am |
re: #17 Gus 802
Just emptied my temp files and cleared everything. Also restarted the modem. Same deal.
It's probably the hamsters, dealing with the evolutionary thread load.
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 12:08:08am |
re: #17 Gus 802
Just emptied my temp files and cleared everything. Also restarted the modem. Same deal.
I've tried it in different browsers, and all of them have the same problem with only this thread.
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teleskiguy Tue, May 5, 2009 12:08:44am |
Was just perusing the Joe the Plumber thread. Damn! I missed out of some friggin meltdowns!
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Gus Tue, May 5, 2009 12:09:26am |
re: #22 gmsc
I've tried it in different browsers, and all of them have the same problem with only this thread.
Yeah, the downstairs thread is OK.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 12:10:26am |
re: #22 gmsc
Right. The problem seems to be specific to this thread. Strange.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 12:10:35am |
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zombie Tue, May 5, 2009 12:12:11am |
We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.
I have long wanted to write a fantasy novel in which an average 21st-century schmoe accidentally time travels back to...say, ancient Rome for example. Once there, after getting his bearings, he realizes -- Hey, I'm from the 21st century! I know about all the incredible inventions and discoveries of the next 2,000 years! I can be a God among men to these backwards morons!
The punchline, which goes on for the rest of the book, is that, being the exact kind of contemporary ignoramus that Carl Sagan describes, our hero actually has no idea how to create anything, nor any knowledge of the scientific or engineering principles underlying anything.
So, when he tries to make airplanes, televisions, automobiles, photography, refrigerators -- well anything actually, even something as simple as paper or steel -- not only is he unable to bedazzle the Roman rubes with these inventions, but he can't even describe how they work or how they're made to the Roman scientists.
He ends up being revealed as more useless and more ignorant than the typical Roman village idiot.
Pure comedy gold, I tells ya. Now only if I had a spare year to write the dang novel...
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 12:12:23am |
re: #27 Killian Bundy
Sun Oddly Quiet -- Hints at Next "Little Ice Age"?
Really?
/paging TOTUS
I can't wait to hear that the cause of global cooling is global warming.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 12:12:37am |
re: #26 Slumbering Behemoth
Right. The problem seems to be specific to this thread. Strange.
i blame Killian.....
/damn lawyers
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 12:14:26am |
Testing . . .
Katy ate a crate of eighty
"rated Grade A" dates.
(Grade A dates are rated "Grade A"
mainly for their weights.)
Eighty dates made plates and plates
and Katy ate all eighty.
Katy met her fate that date,
and now the crate holds Katy.
–Kenn Nesbitt
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 12:15:11am |
re: #30 redc1c4
i blame Killian.....
/damn lawyers
Don't blame me.
/you didn't Shepardize your [expletive deleted] cases
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 12:21:15am |
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Abu Al-Poopypants Tue, May 5, 2009 12:22:26am |
re: #29 gmsc
I can't wait to hear that the cause of global cooling is global warming.
If you came to where I work, you could take your pick of moonbats who'd tell you just that. Last week it was 20 degrees hotter than 'normal', so that was evidence of "global warming", as was the cooler than 'normal' days a few weeks prior. Remember the old days when you'd try to avoid watercooler political discussions that would get people upset, so you'd just exchange small talk about the weather? Well, you can't even do that anymore...
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 12:24:11am |
Just switch to refreshing your browser manually.
/yes, old tech, but it works
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 12:24:32am |
re: #36 Killian Bundy
/how much did you make yesterday?
Hey, my intestinal health and toilet habits are no concern of yours!
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freetoken Tue, May 5, 2009 12:24:55am |
re: #27 Killian Bundy
Really?
No, not really. The sun would have to go many years of being really quiet for it to add up to anything.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 12:25:11am |
re: #28 zombie
A comedian once made a similar observation. Paraphrasing:
"We're not smart, we just memorized a bunch of shit smart people figured out. Stick any one of us on a deserted island, with every advanced tool known to mankind, then come back in a thousand years. You'll find us running around naked, trying to catch fish with wooden spears".
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 12:28:23am |
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth
A comedian once made a similar observation. Paraphrasing:
"We're not smart, we just memorized a bunch of shit smart people figured out. Stick any one of us on a deserted island, with every advanced tool known to mankind, then come back in a thousand years. You'll find us running around naked, trying to catch fish with wooden spears".
Wouldn't "every advanced tool" include a GPS-based phone? If it does, and someone comes back in a thousand years, they'll find that deserted island deserted, because the guy used those advanced tools to get rescued.
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freetoken Tue, May 5, 2009 12:29:13am |
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 12:29:52am |
Well, I have to work tomorrow, and this thread isn't working properly anyway.
Good night, all!
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freetoken Tue, May 5, 2009 12:30:36am |
OK, so I'm definitely having trouble with this thread.
This is weird.
Internet worldwide isn't really healthy right now either.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 12:30:58am |
This thread in the morning will be fun, with every other comment or so complaining about the spinning wheel of death.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 12:31:06am |
re: #42 gmsc
Why do you insist on bringing logic into a joke? Killjoy.
/
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 12:31:24am |
re: #40 freetoken
No, not really. The sun would have to go many years of being really quiet for it to add up to anything.
/in the article they are talking centuries of solar minimum, not like the past can predict the future, it will be what it will be
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 12:32:16am |
Charles, this thread is completely borked, halp!
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zombie Tue, May 5, 2009 12:32:48am |
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth
I've actually put some thought into this. If I, for example, was transported back to ancient Rome, what could I do to impress the Romans?
Keep in mind that I personally have absolutely no training or education in engineering or physics or anything like that.
After a while, it dawned on me: Hot air balloons! The principle is so simple, even I understand how they're made. And it's easy enough to start with small prototypes and work your way up.
The hardest part would be trying to get a fabric or some kind of material with a tight enough weave to be the basis for an airtight surface. I don't think silk had made it from China to Europe yet, though cotton was available as far as I know. Problem is, any "sealant" I could think of, such as wax or pitch/tar, is flammable, which would be problematic. How to make a non-flammable airtight balloon, of any size? Hmmmm..
My backup plan: Wicker frisbees!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 12:38:12am |
re: #50 zombie
I think your premise would make for a fine comedic film. Or a good "object lesson" tragedy.
"I am a man from the future, and I will dazzle these primitives with my ability to...."
:thoughtful pause:
"Shit"!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 12:50:30am |
Is this officially dead? Can I start posting robot pr0n?
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zombie Tue, May 5, 2009 12:51:49am |
re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth
Another possibility I would focus on:
Lenses.
The Romans knew how to make glass, but they apparently never got the idea to use it for lenses, nor for plate-glass windows. I think it would be fairly simple to experiment with grinding down and polishing any number of discarded hunks of glass, until one succeeds in making a fairly decent convex lens. One you make one fucntional one, you can copy it. With the lenses, you could make magnifying glasses, telescopes, microscopes, eyeglasses -- all sorts of amazing stuff.
On a more obvious level, one could invent "leaded windows" i.e. stained-glass-windows without the stained part. Hard for us to imagine, but the Romans did not have window panes. I know that making a big sheet of flat plate glass is quite difficult, but little pieces are easy enough, and one could piece them together.
Give me two years as an apprentice in a Roman glassworks, and I'll change the world!
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laZardo Tue, May 5, 2009 12:54:45am |
And speaking of science and technology, am currently downloading Windows 7 Release Candidate.
/Beta's working pretty well, taskbar goes opaque when running some older apps but otherwise not too bad.
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freetoken Tue, May 5, 2009 12:58:58am |
re: #50 zombie
The Chinese made kites. You can make those out of paper.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 1:01:53am |
'kay then. Robot pr0n.
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zombie Tue, May 5, 2009 1:05:43am |
re: #56 freetoken
The Chinese made kites. You can make those out of paper.
Yeah, but first of all, there was no paper in ancient Rome -- it didn't reach Europe til the late Middle Ages, if I remember correctly. Secondly, I don't know how to make paper myself. And lastly, the Chinese had kites even before the Roman era, so even if I could make one, I wouldn't be doing something that someone else had already done.
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 1:09:49am |
OK, I tried to go to sleep, but now I can't after seeing the ad I just saw . . . (this may not be exact, but it's close
Narrator: "One of Disney's most classic movies is Alice In Wonderland.
[various clips of the classic animated Disney film]
It is so classic, many said we should never try to remake it or improve upon it, and we ourselves agreed . . .
[pause with black screen]
. . . until we found a director who seems to be a native of Wonderland himself!
Coming in 2010 . . . Disney Presents . . .
Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland!"
This has the potential to be the coolest movie ever made.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, May 5, 2009 1:12:03am |
Interesting series of events in just unver a year on one Kentucky shortline railway:
May 2008: RJ Corman's Kentucky Lines QJ Class 2-10-2 purchased from China makes its maiden run.
December 2008: RJ Corman's Kentucky Lines begins testing a 2000 horsepower RP20BD genset from Brossard, Quebec-based Railpower Technologies. Similar locomotives have already been tested or purchased by the Union Pacific, Pacific Harbor Lines, Burlington Northern-Santa Fe, Kansas City Southern, Modesto & Empire Traction, Belt Railway of Chicago and even the U.S. Army.
Febuary 2009: Railpower Technologies declares bankruptcy.
April 2009: Brossard, Que-based Railpower Technologies slashes half its workforce and announces it is seeking to liquidate remaining assets.
May 2009: R.J. Corman Railroad Group announces that they will be purchasing Railpower Technologies assets.
This is a very shrewd move by the R.J. Corman group. Besides manufacturing locomotives, Railpower also had ventured into making cranes. Besides running a series of disconnected railways in Ohio, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and West Virgnia, R.J. Corman also cleans up after derailments....which normally require some sort of heavy-duty cranes.
So in less than a year, RJ Corman goes from purchasing a secondhand Chinese steam locomotive to owning the manufacturer of high-tech genset and hybrid locomotives.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 1:14:34am |
In the spirit of the downstairs thread, where we mulled over the fact that some backwards thinking people equate reasonable, factual criticism with "intellectual fascism", I give you this:
Mandy Patinkin with his hit performance of the theatrical musical number "Y'all Are Brutalizing Me".
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zombie Tue, May 5, 2009 1:14:40am |
Other really easy obvious stuff one could introduce to the Romans with almost no special knowldge required:
Indian/Arabic numerals, including the zero
Wheelbarrows (nope, Romans didn't have them)
Rugby/football
And my ace-in-the-hole: Cartesian coordinates! With a little reverse mental engineering, once you have that, you can easily derive algebra.
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SixDegrees Tue, May 5, 2009 1:16:10am |
Curse you, Science! Your facts and evidence are interfering with our rants!
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Buster Bunny Tue, May 5, 2009 1:16:56am |
re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth
Is this officially dead? Can I start posting robot pr0n?
We talkin naked robots .. or just robots dressed up in leather and latex?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 1:20:03am |
re: #63 SixDegrees
Curse you, Science! Your facts and evidence are interfering with our rants!
Unfortunately, much like the creationists with their "god did it" crutch, the anti-vax crowd will simply use their "vaccines did it" crutch.
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zombie Tue, May 5, 2009 1:24:40am |
Take a flat surface, tilt it at an angle.
Get a small spherical ball of any material.
Dip the ball in paint.
Roll the ball in an arc across the slanted flat surface.
Whaddya got? A parabola!
Ex post facto draw Cartesian coordinates (i.e. "graph paper") over the parabola.
Using laborious trial-and-error (because I'm an idiot), reverse-engineer the algebraic equation for parabolas using the points on the graph.
Once you have that, you can then make parabolas of any curvature.
With those, easy enough to make parabolic mirrors.
With those, a communication system across Europe with mountaintop searchlight beacons and a form of Morse Code!
The world is mine, I tell you: MINE!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 1:28:39am |
re: #64 Buster Bunny
Can't we have both?
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 1:29:01am |
Don’t Demonize Chrysler’s Debt Holders For Standing Up For Their ShareholdersSTEVE STANEK
President Obama last Thursday gave us reason to wonder what he believes is more important: respect for rule of law or his desire for more government control over the economy.
“A small group of speculators” is how Obama disparaged holders of Chrysler debt who resisted government pressure to accept a small fraction of what they are owed as Chrysler filed for bankruptcy Thursday.
The money managers at these firms — including Oppenheimer Fund, Perella Weinberg Partners and Stairway Capital Management — rightly stood up for their shareholders and investors, who include government pension funds, school endowments, and corporate and individual retirement investors.
/yeah, I know, IBD sucks and I'm not inclined to link for the non-proprietary link
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 1:32:30am |
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 1:32:33am |
re: #59 gmsc
OK, I tried to go to sleep, but now I can't after seeing the ad I just saw . . . (this may not be exact, but it's close
This has the potential to be the coolest movie ever made.
Oooh . . . more details on Time Burton's Alice In Wonderland, from perusing through the net:
It will be an IMAX 3D film. It's going to be a hybrid of live-action and performance-capture/computer animation
Anne Hathaway is the White Queen.
Yes, Helena Bonham Carter is in it. She's the Red Queen. (Rumors are flying that Johnny Depp will be the Mad Hatter, but there's no confirmation of that.)
Alan Rickman is the Caterpillar.
Stephen Fry is the Cheshire Cat.
Australian actress Mia Wasikowska plays Alice, and photos from the set are already available! Even more photos are here.
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 1:40:37am |
Ruh roh.
I've got the Spinning Wheel of Death going here. :-(
/fruitcup in jeopardy...
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 1:43:00am |
I have to refresh to post?!
ACK!
/send more coffee!
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 1:43:05am |
re: #71 littleoldlady
Ruh roh.
I've got the Spinning Wheel of Death going here. :-(
/fruitcup in jeopardy...
You can still post, but you have to use your browser's refresh capability to do so "manually".
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 1:45:08am |
re: #73 gmsc
Welcome to The Dark Ages!
/next thing you're going to tell me is I need pedal-power to run the computer... ;-)
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 1:45:55am |
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Salamantis Tue, May 5, 2009 1:47:07am |
I answered that weird dude on the Melanie Philips thread before last, if anyone's intrested (the one with 1000+ posts)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 1:47:23am |
re: #70 gmsc
I am sure there will be plenty of "purists" bitching about the direction of the film, claiming perversion of the story with the intention of corrupting "Our YouthTM.
Jump to number five in this list. It is a humor site, so I do not know how credible it is with it's fact finding. I suppose I could look into it myself, but I am feeling damned lazy and blessedly drunk at the moment.
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 1:47:25am |
re: #75 littleoldlady
Welcome to The Dark Ages!
/next thing you're going to tell me is I need pedal-power to run the computer... ;-)
Just don't pedal backwards, or else you'll delete posts.
///
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 1:50:44am |
re: #74 gmsc
Sorry! When things don't work properly I start pressing buttons willynilly.
/...and have blown up some pretty impressive things with that method. ;-)
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 1:50:52am |
re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth
I am sure there will be plenty of "purists" bitching about the direction of the film, claiming perversion of the story with the intention of corrupting "Our YouthTM.
I'd say if you're making a version of Alice In Wonderland that doesn't corrupt youth, you don't understand the story enough to be taking it on as a project in the first place.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 1:54:59am |
re: #77 Salamantis
I answered that weird dude on the Melanie Philips thread before last, if anyone's intrested (the one with 1000+ posts)
/link it here if you're that proud of it or we'll just take our chances
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 1:57:19am |
re: #72 littleoldlady
send more coffee!
/I'm gearing up for Chinese white tea, supposed to be good for ya
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UncleRancher Tue, May 5, 2009 1:59:38am |
Around and around and around it goes and never stops. *recycle* and here we are...
Good mornin' all.
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 1:59:46am |
My chicken's on the Internet.
She surfs the web all day.
I've tried to stop her browsing
but, so far, there's just no way.
She jumps up on the mouse
and then she flaps around like mad
to click on every hyperlink
and every pop-up ad.
She plays all sorts of chicken games.
She messages her folks.
She watches chicken videos
and forwards chicken jokes.
She writes a blog for chickens
and she uploads chicken pics.
She visits chicken chat rooms
where she clucks about her chicks.
I wouldn't mind so much
except my keyboard's now a wreck.
She hasn't learned to type yet;
she can only hunt and peck.
–Kenn Nesbitt
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 2:00:07am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!
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UncleRancher Tue, May 5, 2009 2:01:35am |
Fruitcup!
What a nice surprise!
littleoldlady:-)
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 2:01:56am |
re: #84 Killian Bundy
Killian! :-)
Having trouble with the concept of "Chinese" and "good for you" in the same sentence...
/Lead Poisoning 'R Us
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 2:02:26am |
re: #87 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!
Yummy! Spinning fruitcup!
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BignJames Tue, May 5, 2009 2:03:24am |
re: #90 littleoldlady
Killian! :-)
Having trouble with the concept of "Chinese" and "good for you" in the same sentence...
/Lead Poisoning 'R Us
How 'bout some bear gall bladder?......mmmmmmm
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 2:04:09am |
re: #86 gmsc
Sung to the tune of, "My baloney has a first name..."? ;-)
gmsc! :-)
BignJames! :-)
UncleRancher! :-)
You're surprised?
/hmmmm....
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 2:04:36am |
re: #87 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!
/early futures refusing to give even part of that +215 DJIA from yesterday
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 2:07:22am |
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 2:07:28am |
re: #93 littleoldlady
Sung to the tune of, "My baloney has a first name..."? ;-)
gmsc! :-)
Now THAT'S funny! It works!
I guess it's like all those Emily Dickinson poems that can be sung to the tune of "Yellow Rose of Texas".
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 2:08:54am |
re: #94 Killian Bundy
/early futures refusing to give even part of that +215 DJIA from yesterday
I dunno, Killian. I keep getting the feeling there's a bubble in there, somewhere.
/not to burst yours, or anything...
Perhaps they're building in the coming HyperInflation early.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 5, 2009 2:10:19am |
re: #87 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!
Morning Lizards.
Thanks {lol}
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 2:10:45am |
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Fenway_Nation Tue, May 5, 2009 2:12:14am |
re: #87 littleoldlady
Yay! Fruitcup and watching the Red Sox beat the Yankees (again)....
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 2:13:01am |
I think I broke my refresh button... :-(
/if'n I disappear, don't take it personal-like
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gmsc Tue, May 5, 2009 2:13:23am |
Yellow Rose of Emily:
/The "Gilligan's Island" theme and "I'd Like To Teach The World to Sing" also work for Emily Dickinson's poems
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UncleRancher Tue, May 5, 2009 2:14:02am |
re: #104 littleoldlady
I think I broke my refresh button... :-(
/if'n I disappear, don't take it personal-like
Nope. It was busted when I got here.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 2:14:57am |
re: #98 littleoldlady
I dunno, Killian. I keep getting the feeling there's a bubble in there, somewhere.
/not to burst yours, or anything...
I have everything on a short leash.
/didn't book the several month profit yesterday, but I put on tight trailing stops, guaranteed winners, subject to adjustment in four hours
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Erik The Red Tue, May 5, 2009 2:15:01am |
IRONY AT IT'S BEST: We don't understand ourselves
A few hundred people get the Swine Flu and everybody wants to wear a mask.
A few million people have AIDS and no one wants to wear a condom.
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 2:19:04am |
re: #107 Killian Bundy
I know you know what you're doing.
/otherwise you'd be working, like the rest of us slobs
Me, if I had money right now, I'd do real estate.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 2:20:55am |
'Cuz it is a bad ass song that I sometimes like to link.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 2:21:24am |
re: #110 littleoldlady
I know you know what you're doing.
/otherwise you'd be working, like the rest of us slobs
Me, if I had money right now, I'd do real estate.
/you've never tried white tea?
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 2:26:44am |
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BignJames Tue, May 5, 2009 2:27:40am |
re: #107 Killian Bundy
Lemme axe your opinion.....at this point in time.....would you suggest increasing a 401k contribution...which is about breakeven ytd....or invest in...say...a Roth IRA?
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 2:28:57am |
re: #110 littleoldlady
Me, if I had money right now, I'd do real estate.
Serious foreclosure people are making a killing.
/if you're determined to own extra housing you should be able to get the financing
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SixDegrees Tue, May 5, 2009 2:31:28am |
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 2:36:29am |
re: #115 BignJames
Lemme axe your opinion.....at this point in time.....would you suggest increasing a 401k contribution...which is about breakeven ytd....or invest in...say...a Roth IRA?
Boy, I don't have either. Who does your taxes, do you control what you get to pick from?
/you should probably contribute the maximum to whichever you have, you're probably not going to get a better long term value investment opportunity for a decade
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 2:39:44am |
re: #118 SixDegrees
Yup. First they'll tax income, then unearned income, and then wealth.
/and THEN there's gonna be a lot of black and blue butts out there among Obama voters who will be kicking themselves...
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BignJames Tue, May 5, 2009 2:45:33am |
re: #119 Killian Bundy
401k is w/Vanguard....we do have some selection...most of mine is stll in mid/high risk vehicles....mutual funds killed me but are up last 3 mos.....I do think I'll max. my 401k cont.....into less risk instruments....and if I have any left over do a Roth.
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littleoldlady Tue, May 5, 2009 2:46:17am |
Anyway...speaking of income and wealth
/or lack thereof of either... :-(
I'd better get by own butt in gear.
Good day, ALL! ™
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 5, 2009 2:52:54am |
Good Morning LGF.
Israel blasts UN report on Cast Lead as 'patently biased'
Well knock me over with a feather - the UN is biased?
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 2:59:26am |
re: #121 BignJames
401k is w/Vanguard....we do have some selection...most of mine is stll in mid/high risk vehicles....mutual funds killed me but are up last 3 mos.....I do think I'll max. my 401k cont.....into less risk instruments....and if I have any left over do a Roth.
Well, I composed a post but it got eatez. I don't like mutual funds, although good ones are absolutely the way to go if you don't have the time to manage your own portfolio.
/pay attention, max out your contributions and, if possible, never take more than an 8% loss on anything
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 3:20:08am |
re: #58 zombie
Yeah, but first of all, there was no paper in ancient Rome -- it didn't reach Europe til the late Middle Ages, if I remember correctly. Secondly, I don't know how to make paper myself. And lastly, the Chinese had kites even before the Roman era, so even if I could make one, I wouldn't be doing something that someone else had already done.
Kites can be made of animal skins or papuyrus, both of which the Romans had.
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 3:30:39am |
re: #54 zombie
Another possibility I would focus on:
Lenses.
Renaissance techniques for grinding lenss involved moving an abrasive stone across the glass blank in a regular pattern of strokes. As the abrasive is moved across the glass, the material would be removed. The more often the stone passed over a given area of the glass, the more material would be removed. The patterns used resembled a multipoint star, with the glass in the middle. Different patterns would be used to create different curvatures. The result, if done carefully, would be a reasonably precise parabolic lens of a specified curvature or power. The interesting thing is the craftsman making the lens did not need to know anthing about algebra or geometry or parabolas. All he had to do was move his arm in the right pattern and a parabola would result.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 3:31:53am |
re: #126 BignJames
Sounds good.....thanks.
It's a religion, 8% down and cut it loose, no exceptions or favoitism, live to play another day with something else. The +20% trades will more than make up for the 8% losses.
/I learned the hard way, hoping for a miracle with down 70% positions, hoping they'd come back against the overhang just waiting to cash in all the way up to the 52 week high
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rightside Tue, May 5, 2009 3:36:44am |
Not sure, I am having troubles with this site this morning from home, which has never happened before. Spinning wheel of death, auto causes it, presssing new comments causes it. I have to manually refresh the entire page.
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freetoken Tue, May 5, 2009 3:37:46am |
re: #131 Kenneth
Good morning. Is the world still here?
Many of us are having problems with the actions (Javascript?) that go with some of the buttons.
However, I have posted a spinoff in the US News section, about the latest court case involving creationism in schools....
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 3:38:31am |
Just switch to refreshing your browser manually.
/yes, old tech, but it works
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freetoken Tue, May 5, 2009 3:46:48am |
re: #134 Killian Bundy
BTW Killian, did you check out the link to Volokh I just put up? You could understand the actual ruling much better than I... but upon skimming it the first thing that struck me was how down in the nits the arguments have become, where every little nuance of speech starts taking on big meaning.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 3:51:38am |
re: #135 freetoken
BTW Killian, did you check out the link to Volokh I just put up? You could understand the actual ruling much better than I... but upon skimming it the first thing that struck me was how down in the nits the arguments have become, where every little nuance of speech starts taking on big meaning.
/did you post a link to something?
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Million Dollar Man Tue, May 5, 2009 3:56:55am |
re: #128 Kenneth
Kites can be made of animal skins or papuyrus, both of which the Romans had.
How the hell do you make a kite from a platypus?
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 4:02:14am |
re: #135 freetoken
BTW Killian, did you check out the link to Volokh I just put up? You could understand the actual ruling much better than I... but upon skimming it the first thing that struck me was how down in the nits the arguments have become, where every little nuance of speech starts taking on big meaning.
Eatez my post again.
/lucky you
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freetoken Tue, May 5, 2009 4:05:45am |
re: #136 Killian Bundy
Posted in the spinoffs. At Volokh is the link to the decision.
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 4:10:03am |
re: #139 freetoken
Posted in the spinoffs. At Volokh is the link to the decision.
Yeah, I get it, religion is bad.
/what's your point?
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3 wood Tue, May 5, 2009 4:10:28am |
Good morning.
Look for the market to open on the upside. Credit is starting to flow a little more freely again, there are signs that the housing market is starting to stabilize. Obama is finally about back to even on the market for his term. Over the past 50 days, 53% of the stocks issues have actually gained, which shows a changing direction in the market.
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freetoken Tue, May 5, 2009 4:19:31am |
re: #140 Killian Bundy
Just wanted to know what you thought of the decision. Many commenters over at Volokh didn't seem to like it.
/you seem grouchy this morning
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3 wood Tue, May 5, 2009 4:21:01am |
Look's like the Messiah has problems speaking Spanish:
'El no habla': Obama jumbles Cinco de Mayo salute
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama's joke wasn't lost in translation—even though he referred to a Cinco de Mayo celebration as "Cinco de Cuatro."
Obama jumbled his words as he welcomed guests to the White House to observe the Mexican holiday, sending the crowd into laughter before he referred to the day correctly."Welcome to Cinco de Cuatro—Cinco de Mayo at the White House," said Obama, in what appeared to be an attempt to note they were celebrating on the fourth of May instead of the fifth.
Cinco de cuatro means "five of four" in Spanish.
This is the same Obama who went overseas and criticized the US to a European audience (anybody notice a pattern here?) cause we don't fluently speak multiple languages.
Hey, genius in the White House! I can do better than "cinco de cuatro".
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3 wood Tue, May 5, 2009 4:26:03am |
ACORN in trouble:
ACORN voter registration drive nets charges
A voter registration drive last year illegally required canvassers to meet quotas to keep their jobs and resulted in thousands of “garbage” registrations gumming up Clark County voter rolls, officials said Monday as they released a criminal complaint against the drive’s organizers.
The complaint names the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, as well as Chris Edwards, the group’s former Las Vegas field director, and Amy Busefink, who was regional director for voter registrationIn all, there are 26 charges of compensation for registration of voters and 13 charges of being a “principal” in the incident. An initial hearing has been set for 7:30 a.m. June 3 in Las Vegas Justice Court.
“In Nevada, it is unlawful for a person to provide compensation for registering voters that is based on the total number of voters a person registers,” said state Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto.
Anybody out there remember who was the community organizer-lawyer who trained ACORN on how to do their thing and get out the vote?
A guy named Obama, that's who.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, May 5, 2009 4:26:32am |
G'nite Lizards. Viva la Cinco de Cuartro.
/and some other spanish words
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 4:31:21am |
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freetoken Tue, May 5, 2009 4:40:59am |
re: #146 Killian Bundy
/state your case why
It's not my case...
I was merely commenting on how the comments over there seem to be dwelling on how ambiguity will lead to confusion.
Volokh himself writes"
Now I suppose it's possible for teachers, both high school and college, to carefully avoid calling anything that might possibly be linked to a religious belief system "nonsense," and instead just say "it's scientifically unfounded" or some such (though wouldn't that be disapproval, too?). But that would make the discussion pretty artificial, with the teacher being constitutionally barred from saying what is pretty obviously on his mind. Nor would it be true to the principle that schools should be forthright about what's true and what's false: Do we really want high schools and universities to be places where one can't call astrology or voodoo bunk? And while in some classes the pedagogically superior practice would be to talk about why a particular belief system is indeed unfounded, that often won't be so: My class, for instance, wasn't a class about the scientific reasons why voodoo isn't going to work.
/btw, you're the lawyer... you're supposed to tell me what it means!
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Killian Bundy Tue, May 5, 2009 4:46:17am |
re: #148 freetoken
/btw, you're the lawyer... you're supposed to tell me what it means!
It means . . .
Do we really want high schools and universities to be places where one can't call astrology or voodoo bunk?
/savvy pilgrim?
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 4:53:47am |
morning all
sets up coffee pot on buffet.
brings out breakfast biscuits
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freetoken Tue, May 5, 2009 4:54:04am |
re: #149 Killian Bundy
It means . . .
No,no, no ... I mean the actual ruling.
For example, if I were teaching an astronomy class, discussing how stars in our galaxy are thousands of light years away, and so, for example, the light from the center of the galaxy arriving now is from a time 25,000 years ago, and some child pops up in class and says her sunday school teacher told her that the Earth is only 6000 years old, so the light couldn't be from 25,000 years ago, and I replied to the student that what the Sunday school teacher said was "superstitious nonsense", would I, according the court decision in question, be doing something illegal?
/you're being difficult this morning
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 5, 2009 5:17:29am |
really bad news for Israel from the obama administration ...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
these people really are scumbags
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Red Pencil Tue, May 5, 2009 5:19:02am |
re: #50 zombie
I've actually put some thought into this. If I, for example, was transported back to ancient Rome, what could I do to impress the Romans?
Keep in mind that I personally have absolutely no training or education in engineering or physics or anything like that.
After a while, it dawned on me: Hot air balloons! The principle is so simple, even I understand how they're made. And it's easy enough to start with small prototypes and work your way up.
The hardest part would be trying to get a fabric or some kind of material with a tight enough weave to be the basis for an airtight surface. I don't think silk had made it from China to Europe yet, though cotton was available as far as I know. Problem is, any "sealant" I could think of, such as wax or pitch/tar, is flammable, which would be problematic. How to make a non-flammable airtight balloon, of any size? Hmmmm..
My backup plan: Wicker frisbees!
Silk is mentioned in Pliny the Elder (1st century CE), so depending on exactly WHEN you got transported, you could get your silk. It was pricy though.
Pliny also mentions an amazing "flexible glass" that had all the regular glass makers pissed off so bad that Tiberius had the innovative "flexible glass" makers killed and their trade secret died. A cautionary tale of what happens when you introduce, say, plastics in a dictatorship that is more into the status quo than embracing new technology.
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SixDegrees Tue, May 5, 2009 5:24:27am |
re: #152 freetoken
No,no, no ... I mean the actual ruling.
For example, if I were teaching an astronomy class, discussing how stars in our galaxy are thousands of light years away, and so, for example, the light from the center of the galaxy arriving now is from a time 25,000 years ago, and some child pops up in class and says her sunday school teacher told her that the Earth is only 6000 years old, so the light couldn't be from 25,000 years ago, and I replied to the student that what the Sunday school teacher said was "superstitious nonsense", would I, according the court decision in question, be doing something illegal?
/you're being difficult this morning
I haven't seen the actual ruling, but I'll ramble on anyway.
The statement that seems to have caused offense was "
religious
superstitious nonsense." If the reference to religion is the problem, then you would be OK. Legally. But it's hard to know without reading the judge's actual reasoning.
Meanwhile, I don't care for such responses, especially to children, who more often than not are actively trying to learn things. A better answer would be along the lines of, "There is no scientific evidence supporting that claim," which might open up a discussion of what constitutes evidence, hypothesis and reasoning from a scientific perspective, but doesn't directly criticize the person asking. It also puts the onus of providing actual evidence on that person, which is where it belongs - science isn't in the business of proving assertions to be false (a demand for negative proof, a favorite of creationists and oogie-boogie theorists everywhere) but rather is in the business of proving assertions to be true by applying the scientific method to the evidence.
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 5:27:48am |
man, lgf is slow this morning.
*goes to give hamsters some coffee*
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lance Tue, May 5, 2009 5:29:36am |
What a way to wake up....seems bad craziness is going to spread, as now Jenny McCarthy has her own Oprah-backed talk show. My prediction is that it'll be a hit. There are lots of stupid people out there, and most of them already watch Oprah.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 5:29:57am |
re: #160 Iron Fist
And SUVs. Everything that isn't Bush's fault (and how much of that exists, I ask you?) is being caused by the mighty SUV.
But how else do you get your kids to college without at least one SUV?
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 5:30:24am |
boy..... i go to bed early, and the LNDT goes nowhere.
it *is* all about me, after all.
/damn therapist %-)
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 5:32:16am |
re: #158 rain of lead
man, lgf is slow this morning.
*goes to give hamsters some coffee*
give some to the thread: it seems to be the problem.
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 5:32:27am |
morning red
there's coffee and biscuits on the buffet
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Altermite Tue, May 5, 2009 5:34:43am |
re: #163 Nevergiveup
But how else do you get your kids to college without at least one SUV?
I take the train.
/joe biden.
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quickjustice Tue, May 5, 2009 5:37:24am |
Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" was based upon this premise. As the time-transported hero is about to be burned at the stake in King Arthur's Court by an ignorant mob that thinks him a madman, he correctly predicts an eclipse of the sun using his almanac. That saves his life, and gets him viewed as a wizard.
He uses his modern knowledge of science and technology to greatly improve the standard of living in the primitive society. Over time, however, the forces of ignorance eventually overwhelm and defeat him. And in the end, even his advanced military technology (he builds machine guns to use against the knights who are attacking him), while slaughtering thousands, can't save him.
The book was written at the end of Twain's life, when he had grown very dark about human nature.
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ConservatismNow! Tue, May 5, 2009 5:39:37am |
re: #170 quickjustice
one of my favorite Mark Twain books. Lancelot on bicycles!
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, May 5, 2009 5:45:59am |
:/
Looks like the hamsters are rebelling again...
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 5:48:25am |
re: #174 Fat Jolly Penguin
:/
Looks like the hamsters are rebelling again...
I took them some coffee but the little shits wouldn't even look at me : (
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 5:49:18am |
Did somebody give the hamsters the morning off?
Not that those hard-working critters don't deserve a rest, but not all at the same time!
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nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 5:49:19am |
re: #175 rain of lead
I took them some coffee but the little shits wouldn't even look at me : (
Kinda like kids
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Drogheda Tue, May 5, 2009 5:49:30am |
I've never read Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court". I'll have to give that a look. Sounds like the sort of thing I like.
For those of you who don't read Drudge there's a mention that Michael Savage has been barred from the U.K. The link goes to the BBC list with the 16 names that were released of the 22 banned since last October. A few familiar names besides Savage's on the list as well. A rogue's gallery to be sure.
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Scorch Tue, May 5, 2009 5:50:02am |
Morning everyone.
It seems the swine flu is not such a threat this week. Must of been that 1.5 billion dollar influx into someones pockets that saved the day. /
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DaddyG Tue, May 5, 2009 5:53:30am |
re: #143 3 wood
Look's like the Messiah has problems speaking Spanish:
...
Hey, genius in the White House! I can do better than "cinco de cuatro".
TOTUS needs a Rosetta Stone download stat!
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 5:54:03am |
re: #174 Fat Jolly Penguin
:/
Looks like the hamsters are rebelling again...
"sire, the hamsters are revolting!"
"I'll say, they stink on ice"
/Mel Brooks
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 5:55:54am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 5, 2009 5:56:49am |
Is anyone else having the reload the page for new comments, or is it all a plot against l'il ole me?
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 5:57:33am |
Iranian aircraft attacked three villages inside Iraq over the weekend. The airstrikes — Iran’s first on Iraqi soil since the U.S. invasion — could complicate the Obama administration’s efforts to normalize relations with Tehran.The Bush Administration appeared to toy with the idea of using PJAK against Iran. In August 2007, the leader of PJAK visited Washington, DC in order to seek more open support from the US both politically and militarily but it was later said that he only made limited contacts with officials in Washington. … In one of the first actions of the Obama administration, PJAK was declared a terrorist organization, freezing any assets the PJAK has under U.S. jurisdiction and prohibiting American citizens from doing business with the organization.
Obama’s decision to decisively cut loose the PJAK is probably driven by the desire to get in the good graces of both Turkey and Iran, for whom the Kurdish separatists are a bother. Until recently Teheran actually supported the PJAK’s predecessors against Ankara, according to some sources. But now both Turkey and Iran seem to have decided to jointly crack down on the PJAK
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SteveC Tue, May 5, 2009 5:58:02am |
"We're sorry, the station is experiencing technical difficulties. The problem is not in your set."
Let's try this again... Good morning, everybody!
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MJ Tue, May 5, 2009 5:58:14am |
Obama to fuck the Jews. Part I:
Jimmy Carter: U.S. and Syria to restore full diplomatic ties soon
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Obama to fuck the Jews. Part II:
Obama gets tougher with Israel on Palestinians, Iran
"The new administration will convince Israel to compromise on the Palestinian question," Jones said. "We will not push Israel under the wheels of a bus, but we will be more forceful toward Israel than we have been under Bush."
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
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KenJen Tue, May 5, 2009 5:58:25am |
re: #162 lance
What a way to wake up....seems bad craziness is going to spread, as now Jenny McCarthy has her own Oprah-backed talk show. My prediction is that it'll be a hit. There are lots of stupid people out there, and most of them already watch Oprah.
I had no idea she had so many breast selling books.
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 5:58:39am |
re: #183 reine.de.tout
it's not you.
momcat says the hamsters are having issues
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 5:59:30am |
re: #183 reine.de.tout
Yup, we all are. The [new comments] button isn't working. We'll probably have to suffer through this until Charles wakes up.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 5:59:51am |
For all those who think President Bush wasn't a good friend of the State of Israel:
Obama gets tougher with Israel on Palestinians, Iran
Gen. James Jones, national security adviser to President Barack Obama, told a European foreign minister a week ago that unlike the Bush administration, Obama will be "forceful" with Israel.
Several days ago, a classified telegram was received in Jerusalem discussing a meeting between Jones and a European foreign minister. Jones told his European interlocutor that President George W. Bush had avoided actions on the Palestinian question that Israel opposed, but the Obama administration intended to change this practice and become more active.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
This id going to get real bad real fast. Bibi should just cancel his trip to Washington because I can guarantee that nothing GOOD will come of it.
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 6:01:06am |
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 6:04:04am |
I have to sign off just to get a post to post. Somebody real oughta wake somebody
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 6:05:59am |
re: #192 Nevergiveup
after you hit post, refresh the page
"works for me" : (
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 6:06:49am |
I'm finding that "post this comment" brings up the spinning wheel of eternal hang time, but if I let it spin for a few seconds, then hit "refresh," my attempted post does appear in the thread.
(In case anybody out there is wondering but hasn't yet been able to post the question.)
Maybe the hamsters have gone surfing.
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 6:08:35am |
re: #143 3 wood
Look's like the Messiah has problems speaking Spanish:
'El no habla': Obama jumbles Cinco de Mayo salute
This is the same Obama who went overseas and criticized the US to a European audience (anybody notice a pattern here?) cause we don't fluently speak multiple languages.Hey, genius in the White House! I can do better than "cinco de cuatro".
Maybe he thought he was talking to the Borg.
You know, like Seven of Nine.
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 5, 2009 6:09:47am |
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DaddyG Tue, May 5, 2009 6:10:24am |
Help! - I'm stuck in a loop and a hamster is chasing me! (And why are my cheecks stuffed with sunflower seeds?)
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reine.de.tout Tue, May 5, 2009 6:11:14am |
re: #193 rain of lead
after you hit post, refresh the page
"works for me" : (
And if that doesn't work, hit "post", then after a few seconds open a new page and voila! - like magic, your post will have been posted.
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quickjustice Tue, May 5, 2009 6:12:03am |
re: #129 Kenneth
Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" was based upon this premise. As the time-transported hero is about to be burned at the stake in King Arthur's Court by an ignorant mob that thinks him a madman, he correctly predicts an eclipse of the sun using his almanac. That saves his life, and gets him viewed as a wizard.
He uses his modern knowledge of science and technology to greatly improve the standard of living in the primitive society. Over time, however, the forces of ignorance eventually overwhelm and defeat him. And in the end, even his advanced military technology (he builds machine guns to use against the knights who are attacking him), while slaughtering thousands, can't save him.
The book was written at the end of Twain's life, when he had grown very dark about human nature.
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 6:13:15am |
gorebull solar warming update (from not seeing the sun for a week, sick of rain)
no sunspots, solar wind output at 325 km/s
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 6:14:09am |
In honor of the rain (and because the hamsters seem to have the blues):
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srb1976 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:18:18am |
Morning folks, better half is recovering nicely from having the end of his finger amputated yesterday....kids getting sick of the rain, getting ready to haul them to daycare.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:19:26am |
re: #195 lurking faith
Maybe he thought he was talking to the Borg.
You know, like Seven of Nine.
you mean 2 of 38?
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dwells38 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:20:11am |
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth
A comedian once made a similar observation. Paraphrasing:
"We're not smart, we just memorized a bunch of shit smart people figured out. Stick any one of us on a deserted island, with every advanced tool known to mankind, then come back in a thousand years. You'll find us running around naked, trying to catch fish with wooden spears".
Yeah they weren't dummies back then either. They obviously had their own technology. And to capitalize on your future knowledge it would seem you'd have to be ready to craft and fashion things by hand using ancient tools people today have no skills or knowledge of. I've always thought you could (assuming you could communicate effectively) look at processes and make improvements that would be obvious.
Like I don't think the romans used pockets. But then again they didn't have a lot of little things they carried around with them like later peoples (no watches, cell phones, pens were dipped in ink I would guess). Money probably specifically went in a leather pouch that you kept under your garment lest it be lifted. So some things we find useful today they might simply not.
You could maybe see ways to mass produce things that people hadn't thought of. Maybe harnessing water and wind more effectively.
It'd be tough and all the while you'd have to figure out how to feed yourself and where you could fit in. You may not even have the right in that society to speak to somone about improving something or they may think you're evil and kill you for impertinent suggestions or devilish inventions.
Nope I'd rather be transported to the early 20th century. Just get a job and invest in what you know's coming and get filthy rich!
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:20:19am |
re: #204 srb1976
Morning folks, better half is recovering nicely from having the end of his finger amputated yesterday....kids getting sick of the rain, getting ready to haul them to daycare.
how much did they take?
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abolitionist Tue, May 5, 2009 6:20:30am |
re: #66 zombie
[snip] Once you have that, you can then make parabolas of any curvature.
With those, easy enough to make parabolic mirrors. [snip]
A spherical surface is the easiest to fashion with glass or metal, because two spherical surfaces of the same curvature can remain in intimate contact as they slide over each other. A typical cheap mirror-type telescope will use a spherical mirror with a focal length about 10 times its diameter. F/10 in camera jargon. A small F/10 spherical mirror is such a close approximation to the ideal F/10 parabolic mirror that it is already near-perfect, optically.
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 6:20:52am |
re: #204 srb1976
"ouch"
why did he have to have his fingertip amputated?
"if you don't mind me asking"
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 6:21:52am |
Homeland agency pulled back extremism dictionary
Black power, white supremacists, abortion foes make list
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
Without commenting on who made the list and why, this reminds me of my wife. She makes great lists of "Things to Do" but never really gets around to doing them. Just saying.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, May 5, 2009 6:22:34am |
re: #203 lurking faith
Another day above the grass ! What's to be blue about ?
crosses fingers, hopes the spinning event horizon doesn't eat my comment
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DaddyG Tue, May 5, 2009 6:22:51am |
The ID/Creationist/Darwin/Religion/Science threads have me thinking (...a dangerous pastime, I know):
People get really attached to their false dichotomies and spend an inordinate amount of time arging a side of an issue which doesn't have to be an issue. Examples:
Faith vs. Works in Christianity
Scientific Evidence vs. Faith in God (or a higher power)
Homosexuality vs. Heterosexuality (thanks Joe)
Limited Government vs. Compassion
Fiscal Responsibility vs. Capitalism
Values vs. Tolerence/Acceptance/Freedom to Choose
...the list could go on.
A common thread in all of these false choices seems to be a combination of a narrowly defined position that is defended to the exclusion of any additional information. Pride leading to willful ignorance.
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quickjustice Tue, May 5, 2009 6:24:11am |
Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" was based upon this premise. As the time-transported hero is about to be burned at the stake in King Arthur's Court by an ignorant mob that thinks him a madman, he correctly predicts an eclipse of the sun using his almanac. That saves his life, and gets him viewed as a wizard.
He uses his modern knowledge of science and technology to greatly improve the standard of living in the primitive society. Over time, however, the forces of ignorance eventually overwhelm and defeat him. And in the end, even his advanced military technology (he builds machine guns to use against the knights who are attacking him), while slaughtering thousands, can't save him.
The book was written at the end of Twain's life, when he had grown very dark about human nature.
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Dreader1962 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:24:15am |
I was reading an article from 'The Independent' that listed the people who have been prohibited from entering the UK due to their reputation/viewpoints - the story focused on Michael Savage, but listed Samir Quntar as one who was prohibited. One would think that this was a no-brainer, but then I was reading the comments.
I still feel dirty after reading a comment titled 'Samir Quntar, hero of the resistance'. At times reading what is posted in comments is akin to gazing into the pits of Hell - you really see what people are capable of.
This is the link to the story:
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DaddyG Tue, May 5, 2009 6:24:42am |
re: #204 srb1976
Morning folks, better half is recovering nicely from having the end of his finger amputated yesterday....kids getting sick of the rain, getting ready to haul them to daycare.
Ouch - how did he/she manage that?
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:24:46am |
re: #209 rain of lead
"ouch"
why did he have to have his fingertip amputated?
"if you don't mind me asking"
chainsaw related......
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 6:25:01am |
Taliban are holding up to 2000 people hostage in a Pakistan village.
They are using them as human shields against the Pakistani military. We can expect large civilian casualties and critical anti-gov't coverage in the media.
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 6:27:58am |
so.....
how many screaming e-mails do you think Charles will have to deal with
when he wakes up?
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srb1976 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:28:10am |
re: #207 redc1c4
how much did they take?
Just the first joint, luckily! He says it is very painful, but his doc says should heal up nicely
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DaddyG Tue, May 5, 2009 6:28:55am |
re: #216 redc1c4
chainsaw related......
Cringe! Prayers and well wishes for your digitally modified significant other.
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srb1976 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:30:06am |
re: #209 rain of lead
"ouch"
why did he have to have his fingertip amputated?
"if you don't mind me asking"
He got his had caught between log he was cutting and the chainsaw he was using, finger got stuck on chainsaw exhaust port, burnt the first joint to the bone.
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pittrader1988 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:30:55am |
re: #4 HelloDare
could also add "Economics" to the list.
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nyc redneck Tue, May 5, 2009 6:31:51am |
re: #143 3 wood
Look's like the Messiah has problems speaking Spanish:
'El no habla': Obama jumbles Cinco de Mayo salute
This is the same Obama who went overseas and criticized the US to a European audience (anybody notice a pattern here?) cause we don't fluently speak multiple languages.Hey, genius in the White House! I can do better than "cinco de cuatro".
what a pompous moron. how dare that fool castigate americans for not
being fluent in several languages.
he can't even say one phrase in spanish properly.
it is little things like this that will finally revel him for what he is.
a classless, thoughtless dork, so in over his head.
he is a cringe inducing embarrassment.
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Leonidas Hoplite Tue, May 5, 2009 6:32:04am |
Here is a fantastic little video that places the $100 million Obama-mandated budget cuts into perspective.
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simonml Tue, May 5, 2009 6:32:10am |
Morning all. Looks like the weather wants to keep me off the golf course, so a-commenting I will be all day! Watch out LGF!
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 6:32:30am |
re: #222 srb1976
Oh. My. God!
just reading about that hurts.
Momcat and I send prayers for a full recovery.
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 6:34:54am |
re: #204 srb1976
Morning folks, better half is recovering nicely from having the end of his finger amputated yesterday....kids getting sick of the rain, getting ready to haul them to daycare.
I sincerely hope your better half is doing well, and I'm sorry about his loss... but now that you've mentioned finger amputation, I can't help but think of Shel Silverstein's "Warning."
[Link: www.qu-i-x.com...]
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MandyManners Tue, May 5, 2009 6:35:11am |
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Spartacus50 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:35:40am |
Soooooo....whatever did become of that Air Force One buzzing of NYC? No photos from the "photo op" have been released and nobody has even asked who may have been on the flight manifest.
Straight down the memory hole
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ConservatismNow! Tue, May 5, 2009 6:37:51am |
re: #227 rain of lead
Oh. My. God!
just reading about that hurts.Momcat and I send prayers for a full recovery.
that is certainly a new one to me. That's rough
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Flyers1974 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:37:57am |
re: #186 MJ
Obama to fuck the Jews. Part I:
Jimmy Carter: U.S. and Syria to restore full diplomatic ties soon
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
Obama to fuck the Jews. Part II:
Obama gets tougher with Israel on Palestinians, Iran
"The new administration will convince Israel to compromise on the Palestinian question," Jones said. "We will not push Israel under the wheels of a bus, but we will be more forceful toward Israel than we have been under Bush."
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
In regard to Syria: It was Bush who granted the license to (Boeing I think) to allow the aircraft engines to be sold to Syria. Why do you suppose this license was granted? One can never know for sure, but I'm going to guess it was to see how the American public would react as a Gage for further moves.
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simonml Tue, May 5, 2009 6:38:09am |
re: #230 Spartacus50
Soooooo....whatever did become of that Air Force One buzzing of NYC? No photos from the "photo op" have been released and nobody has even asked who may have been on the flight manifest.
Straight down the memory hole
Is that a surprise? Its hard for this Administration to pretend they don't make mistakes when people keep talking about all their mistakes!
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DaddyG Tue, May 5, 2009 6:38:40am |
Scotty: Capt'n, the Hamsters c'nnot take any more. The warp core is down, the klingons proton torpedos have breached the hull on decks 24, 67 and 83-90! The aft shields are down to 20% and we got no more forward shields! We can drive a friggin' starship accross the galaxy in a day but no one has bothered to develop shield technology that could stop a spitball.
Kirk: We need those engines on line Scotty how much time will it take?
Scotty: I'll have it up in 5 minutes.
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 6:38:41am |
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TheHardHat Tue, May 5, 2009 6:39:26am |
In my humble opinion the problem is not ignorance of science. We can live with those who don't understand the world around them. The problem arises when political agendas are more important than truth. We can't live with these people and can't kill them.
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 6:41:42am |
re: #213 quickjustice
I hope it occurs to you soon to hit refresh, or log out and log back in, or something, instead of just keeping on hitting "post." Your Connecticut Yankee description has posted at least three times so far...
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rain of lead Tue, May 5, 2009 6:42:45am |
ok folks gotta go to work
turning over posting duties over to momcat
see ya'll later
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 6:48:53am |
re: #222 srb1976
He got his had caught between log he was cutting and the chainsaw he was using, finger got stuck on chainsaw exhaust port, burnt the first joint to the bone.
Ow ow ow ow OW.
It hurts just reading that.
Those accidents happen so fast, too. Thank goodness he only lost part of a finger!
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 6:49:24am |
Good morning y'all, from a wet and "cool"( 63 degrees going up to 72 degrees, raining like crazy) Charlotte!
Hope you all are doing well.
LGF has been a little wonky for me this morning, posting and trying to get new comments and all.
Fox News has a big deal partner on now from the Law Firm of White & Case - a HUGE, OLD line law firm which is representing some of Chrysler's bondholders and other creditiors. He was invited on because he too said that some bondholders were receiving threatening calls from the WH. So after being introduced and stating he was the "Global Partner" for all the creditors of Chrysler, he was asked if it was true that some bondholders were receiving death threats. He said "I can't answer that"; when asked about his original statement about WH pressure on the bondholders he said "I can't answer that" and so on and so forth.
Death threats? For refusing to subordinate your personal debt from Chrysler to the government? Mind you this is America's prototypical "Corporate Lawyer" and frankly he looked scared - I wondered what the hell he was doing on Fox when I realized well, big law firm or not, methinks he just wanted to advertise the fact that His Law Firm (probably around 1,000 lawyers) was doing this work and then brag about himself being the Global Partner (meaning the guy running all of the law firms representing bondholders).
But he steadfastly refused to answer questions about WH threats, murder threats on himself and his family as well as on bondholders etc.
This damn class warfare crap had best stop NOW - most "bondholders" are retired folks or Pension Funds not the "feelthy rich" and at some point folks with more guts than this idiot are gonna resist.
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vxbush Tue, May 5, 2009 6:49:27am |
[crawls over to keyboard, taps in desperate please for caffeine]
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VioletTiger Tue, May 5, 2009 6:49:32am |
It's not your macines, it's the thread. Something just isn't right this morning.
Good morning all! We 'enjoying' our 6th day of rain. Hoping to see the sun soon.
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DaddyG Tue, May 5, 2009 6:50:57am |
Upon being escorted to hell a damned soul was escorted around the environs by a devil and informed he would have to choose one room in which to spend eternity.
The first room was filled with people getting their flesh burned off by fire and brimstone.
The second room was filled with people being flayed and tortured on all sorts of devices reminiscent of the inquisition.
The third room was filled with people standing up to their waist in a cesspool of rancid feces while drinking coffee.
The condemned said to the devil, "This room doesn't seem so bad. I choose it." The devil said - "So be it! Here is your eternal punishment." Grinning the damned soul entered in and grabbed a cup of coffee.
Just then another devil stuck his head in the door and said: "Coffee break is over, back on your heads!"
- Time to get back on my head! BBL
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 6:52:08am |
Hey y'all, the only way I could get my #242 to post was to hit refresh!
Are we having fun yet?!
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VioletTiger Tue, May 5, 2009 6:53:54am |
re: #242 realwest
Morning real. We're in the soup today too.
I don't know what the truth is on the Chrysler deal, but I am watching and listening for facts. I think SOMETHING happened, but I don't know the facts enough to say what.
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vxbush Tue, May 5, 2009 6:55:41am |
re: #247 momcat
earlier,rain left coffee and biscuits on the buffet
caffeine...caffeine...CAFFEINE! ! ! !
[sounds of liquid gulping]
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ASU86PE Tue, May 5, 2009 6:56:13am |
Not a Fan of Carl; he forced the federal gun to my head for his
BILLIONS and BILLIONS
of schemes.
I was rather hoping this Cinco de Mayo thread would have celebrated the America's (Norte', Central, and Sur) indepence from Europe. this is the day the Mexican nationals GOT IT! Viva Mexico! Viva Americas!
Enjoy!
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 6:57:29am |
re: #248 VioletTiger
Morning real. We're in the soup today too.
I don't know what the truth is on the Chrysler deal, but I am watching and listening for facts. I think SOMETHING happened, but I don't know the facts enough to say what.
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 6:58:03am |
For those just joining us:
New Comments isn't working right.
Auto isn't working right.
I'm getting new comments by refreshing the page.
You can post (including reply or quote), but after you hit "post" and then get the spinning wheel of wait wait wait, you'll need to refresh the page.
I can ding posts, btw.
(I haven't tried preview, and don't plan to while the site is wonky.)
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jill e Tue, May 5, 2009 7:01:54am |
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 7:02:46am |
Well I just checked with : [Link: downforeveryoneorjustme.com...]
and it says that LGF is down for everyone!
Great. Just effin' great!
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 7:04:15am |
re: #257 realwest
Well I just checked with : [Link: downforeveryoneorjustme.com...]
and it says that LGF is down for everyone!
Great. Just effin' great!
it's a conspiracy!
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vxbush Tue, May 5, 2009 7:04:16am |
re: #257 realwest
Well I just checked with : [Link: downforeveryoneorjustme.com...]
and it says that LGF is down for everyone!
Great. Just effin' great!
[Tea, handed to VX from offstage, revives her.]
I'm impressed that you got that posted if it's down for everyone.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 5, 2009 7:04:25am |
Good morning everyone and Feliz Cinco de Quatro!
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 7:05:29am |
re: #253 Iron Fist
Whether the mechanic understands science or not might not matter when he's fixing your bike, but it can matter quite a bit when he's voting.
I think if people understood the scientific method, they would look at socialism and communism, and see it has not worked anywhere it has been tried, and vote for a capitalist instead of a socialist.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 7:06:21am |
re: #259 vxbush
I got it posted by refreshing LGF. Only way I can get new comments OR post my own comments. And the message I got from the site I linked to in #257 said:
"It's not just you! littlegreenfootballs looks down from here.
Check another site?"
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vxbush Tue, May 5, 2009 7:07:37am |
re: #262 realwest
I got it posted by refreshing LGF. Only way I can get new comments OR post my own comments. And the message I got from the site I linked to in #257 said:
"It's not just you! littlegreenfootballs looks down from here.
Check another site?"
Okay, I'm getting the same thing here. I'm wondering if Charles did some late-night testing on his site.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 7:07:54am |
re: #256 jill e
British Airways has removed Israel from its maps to avoid upsetting Muslims.
It's the British Airline BMI, NOT British Airways. Just to be accurate.
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turn Tue, May 5, 2009 7:08:06am |
re: #252 lurking faith
Thanks for the heads up. Morning all, hey anybody get whacked in that Joe the Plumber thread yesterday?
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 7:09:11am |
re: #257 realwest
Well I just checked with : [Link: downforeveryoneorjustme.com...]
and it says that LGF is down for everyone!
Great. Just effin' great!
It's not down, just being temperamental, kinda like my wife.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 7:09:18am |
Well here's another great comic strip from Day by Day to amuse y'all: [Link: www.daybydaycartoon.com...]
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dwells38 Tue, May 5, 2009 7:09:18am |
re: #214 Dreader1962
I was reading an article from 'The Independent' that listed the people who have been prohibited from entering the UK due to their reputation/viewpoints - the story focused on Michael Savage, but listed Samir Quntar as one who was prohibited. One would think that this was a no-brainer, but then I was reading the comments.
I still feel dirty after reading a comment titled 'Samir Quntar, hero of the resistance'. At times reading what is posted in comments is akin to gazing into the pits of Hell - you really see what people are capable of.
This is the link to the story:
When I first heard Savage I thought he was batshit crazy and possibly slightly retarded. However, I now get his schtick and believe he's crazy like a fox. He's extremely educated and bright ( at least much more so than I).
I don't believe he would ever intend anyone to be hurt with his inflammatory language other then the jihadists that wish us all ill. But he does paint with a pretty wide brush lumping in red diaper baby liberals in with the terrorists as enemies and not just useful idiots. It's so wide though as to not be serious.
I think though the UK is merely throwing an appeasing bone to the jihadists (and their apologists) in their midst. They let Palestinian terror sympathizers chase their police around their downdown cities but Mke Savage is a threat. Whatever.
At any rate he'll have a field day with this.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 7:11:51am |
re: #267 Iron Fist
Hey Bro' - same thing here (although dual core, but still 4 Gigs RAM and IE 7).
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VegasRick Tue, May 5, 2009 7:12:16am |
A voter registration drive last year illegally required canvassers to meet quotas to keep their jobs and resulted in thousands of "garbage" registrations gumming up Clark County voter rolls, officials said Monday as they released a criminal complaint against the drive's organizers.
The complaint names the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN; Chris Edwards, the group's former Las Vegas field director; and Amy Busefink, who was regional director for voter registration.
In all, there are 26 charges of compensation for registration of voters and 13 charges of being a "principal" in the alleged crimes. An initial hearing has been set for 7:30 a.m. June 3 in Las Vegas Justice Court.
Lomax said he raised concerns about ACORN's voter registration drive in 2006. "I've been trying to get someone to do something about this for a while," he said.
Bonnie Greathouse, the head organizer at the Las Vegas office, said she was not worried about fallout from the charges.
"We've had bad publicity before, and all it does is inform the community that we're here working for the community," she said. "People always come forward to our defense.
"We're just community organizers, just like the president used to be."
[Link: www.lvrj.com...]
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 7:12:32am |
re: #270 turn
oh man this sucks, Charles please make it go
Ya know one day, we may have to all go underground, when they come to round us up for that re-education camp?. This might just be hardship practice. Come on all you Lizards- Man-up out there. Or OK so not to be the sexist pig I am- woman up also.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 7:13:46am |
More on Gates' attempts to reassure US allies on Iran:
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday there is "no grand bargain" with Iran as the United States tries to bolster relations with the Teheran government.Asked by reporters what kind of progress the US is hoping for with Iran, Gates said he didn't know what was possible.
The US is still waiting to see how the Iranians respond to President Barack Obama's outreach, Gates said, but so far the rhetoric from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been "not very encouraging."
Not very encouraging?
But there were also denials of a secret "grand bargain" between the US and Iran.
"But I think concerns out there of some kind of a grand bargain developed in secret are completely unrealistic."
I hadn't thought that would even be possible, but denials like this make me wonder.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 7:14:16am |
re: #263 vxbush
Okay, I'm getting the same thing here. I'm wondering if Charles did some late-night testing on his site.
the LNDT has been TARFU'd since it opened
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 7:15:21am |
re: #248 VioletTiger
Well I don't know the facts, either. And it seems really bizarre to me that the WH would Threaten -as opposed to, say, express President Obama's desire that they not get in the way of Chrysler's reorganization.
I think the death threats - IF there were any - were from Rahm Emmanuel!
/heavy.
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turn Tue, May 5, 2009 7:15:53am |
re: #273 Nevergiveup
That Charles is a clever guy, always planning ahead. Seriously, this is so painful I might actually have to get some work done. Hey, maybe this slowdown is Charles plan to boost American productivity.
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redstateredneck Tue, May 5, 2009 7:17:34am |
Good morning, {all y'all}
We're having posting problems?
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redstateredneck Tue, May 5, 2009 7:18:30am |
re: #278 redstateredneck
Why, yes we are. I may have to actually work this morning!
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eddiebear Tue, May 5, 2009 7:19:00am |
re: #274 Kosh's Shadow
Yeah, every time I read stories such I am reminded of that line about us really dodging a bullet with that dunce Sarah Palin.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 7:19:10am |
re: #275 redc1c4
Nah, the fact is that the last thread Charles puts up out in California is and has always been called the Dead Thread and has rarely experienced difficulties like this one today.
Oh and btw, y'all, the last part of my thread #276 was supposed to be: /just joking folks, just joking! NOT
/heavy.
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dwells38 Tue, May 5, 2009 7:19:32am |
re: #256 jill e
British Airways has removed Israel from its maps to avoid upsetting Muslims.
And after Iran actually removes Israel from the planet their map will be accurate.
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turn Tue, May 5, 2009 7:19:49am |
re: #278 redstateredneck
see 252. this is too much for turn, BBL
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vxbush Tue, May 5, 2009 7:19:49am |
Interesting. So I can still click on someone's avatar, and it shows up. It's a mite slower than usual, but not bad.
Me, I'm just manually fixing the URL and reloading so I don't have to scroll down so far. Heh.
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Spider Mensch Tue, May 5, 2009 7:20:10am |
so with all the outbreaks of h1N1 (swiney flew) has mexico renamed today as "Sicko de Mayo" ?
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, May 5, 2009 7:20:48am |
re: #274 Kosh's Shadow
More on Gates' attempts to reassure US allies on Iran:
I hadn't thought that would even be possible, but denials like this make me wonder.
And then there's Emanuel: Thwarting Iran easier with Israeli-Palestinian talks
[...]
Israeli TV stations had reported Monday night that Emanuel had actually linked the two matters, saying that the efforts to stop Iran hinged on peace talks with the Palestinians. The remarks were reportedly made in a closed-door meeting previous day with 300 major AIPAC donors on Sunday.
Danger...Will Robinson.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 7:21:18am |
Hamas is now sounding like Fatah:
Hamas has stopped launching rockets at Israel and is looking to establish a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, the Islamist group's political leader Khaled Mashaal told The New York Times in an interview published Monday. He went on to say that Hamas supported "a state on the 1967 borders, based on a long-term truce. This includes east Jerusalem, the dismantling of settlements and the right of return of the Palestinian refugees," specifying that by a "long-term" agreement he meant 10 years.
Of course, with the "return of the Paliterrorist refugees", by 10 years, Israel wouldn't be a Jewish state, and the 1967 borders are suicide even if "refugees" didn't return.
But this is enough to get the US, UN, and EU to pressure Israel even more to negotiate with Hamas, and even make a peace deal.
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opnion Tue, May 5, 2009 7:21:52am |
There was just an attorney on FNC who represents some of the funds invested in Chrysler.
These are secured creditors , so they traded off high return expectations for safety.
According to this lawyer , they agreed to take $0.50 on the dollar.
They were rebuffed & now BHO & his minions are demonizing them.
Some claim to have received death threats.
We have now achieved banana republic status.
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avanti Tue, May 5, 2009 7:22:01am |
re: #242 realwest
But he steadfastly refused to answer questions about WH threats, murder threats on himself and his family as well as on bondholders etc.
This damn class warfare crap had best stop NOW - most "bondholders" are retired folks or Pension Funds not the "feelthy rich" and at some point folks with more guts than this idiot are gonna resist.
It's another Fox only story. After claiming the WH threatened the bondholders everyone involved denied it, then the bondholders backed down on the comments, now they have no comment.
I'm sure there was pressure to settle, but it sounds like someone exaggerated it and is now backing down. The truth will come on in the end, but until then, people will believe what suits them.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 7:22:07am |
Well this problem with getting new comments and posting comments is driving me to do some other things.
Hope things improve here, hope you all have a great day (don't forget to pray for or at least send best wishes to Walter L. Newton who's undergoing an echocardiogram this morning!)
Hope I get the chance to see you all down the road!
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jill e Tue, May 5, 2009 7:22:25am |
re: #264 Nevergiveup
It's the British Airline BMI, NOT British Airways. Just to be accurate.
Oops! Sorry! That's what happens when you try to work and "play" at the same time!
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vxbush Tue, May 5, 2009 7:22:46am |
re: #287 Kosh's Shadow
Hamas is now sounding like Fatah:
Of course, with the "return of the Paliterrorist refugees", by 10 years, Israel wouldn't be a Jewish state, and the 1967 borders are suicide even if "refugees" didn't return.But this is enough to get the US, UN, and EU to pressure Israel even more to negotiate with Hamas, and even make a peace deal.
Whatever they say in English is often not what they say in Arabic. If someone would check the Arabic papers and confirm what they say, then maybe I'll believe this. As it is, it's just words to me that mean nothing.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 7:23:07am |
re: #281 realwest
Nah, the fact is that the last thread Charles puts up out in California is and has always been called the Dead Thread and has rarely experienced difficulties like this one today.
Oh and btw, y'all, the last part of my thread #276 was supposed to be: /just joking folks, just joking! NOT
/heavy.
i meant *this* particular version of the LNDT.
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 7:24:27am |
re: #264 Nevergiveup
It's the British Airline BMI, NOT British Airways. Just to be accurate.
Also, BMI says the maps are holdovers from when those aircraft were used by another airline, BMED, that was catering to a primarily Muslim clientele. They say the maps were supposed to be fixed for the Tel Aviv route, but mistakenly were not.
Here's jpost's piece on this, as of April 30:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
They should have updated the maps sometime in the year and a half since they bought the planes. Still, I'm willing to view the failure as merely stupid, provided the maps are corrected by mid-month, as advertised.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 7:25:02am |
re: #292 vxbush
Whatever they say in English is often not what they say in Arabic. If someone would check the Arabic papers and confirm what they say, then maybe I'll believe this. As it is, it's just words to me that mean nothing.
It's just worthless words anyway. And they ONLY talking about a truce? So after x amount of years ( 10 if you believe them ) all bets are off and it's kill the Jews time again.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 7:26:47am |
re: #289 avanti
It's another Fox only story. After claiming the WH threatened the bondholders everyone involved denied it, then the bondholders backed down on the comments, now they have no comment.
I'm sure there was pressure to settle, but it sounds like someone exaggerated it and is now backing down. The truth will come on in the end, but until then, people will believe what suits them.
The truth probably will come out, but this could also be denial under duress.
Like in the Monty Python Piranha Brothers sketch, one victim says Dinsdale was a "smashing bloke. Used to buy his mother flowers and all that" until confronted with the picture that showed Dinsdale had indeed nailed his head to the floor.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 7:26:52am |
re: #288 opnion See my #242 and
#289 Avanti - what makes you think that it's just another Fox story? I mean other than that tingling feeling you get whenever you even see the word Obama?
Presidents past have let industry and unions know about WH displeasure before; I think Obama or Emmanuel or someone is just more heavy handed about it.
OK, seriously outta here for now!
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kansas Tue, May 5, 2009 7:29:07am |
re: #289 avanti
It's another Fox only story. After claiming the WH threatened the bondholders everyone involved denied it, then the bondholders backed down on the comments, now they have no comment.
I'm sure there was pressure to settle, but it sounds like someone exaggerated it and is now backing down. The truth will come on in the end, but until then, people will believe what suits them.
Here's another Fox Story for ya there: [Link: www.nypost.com...]
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 7:29:35am |
re: #292 vxbush
Whatever they say in English is often not what they say in Arabic. If someone would check the Arabic papers and confirm what they say, then maybe I'll believe this. As it is, it's just words to me that mean nothing.
It also doesn't say Hamas would accept Israel as a Jewish state, even for those 10 years. And the hudna can be broken any time Hamas feels strong enough.
They might be admitting this in Arabic, but it is clear to anyone who has paid attention that Hamas is just saying this because they know that Israel has no protector any more, and the US will pressure Israel into accepting this slow suicide.
I don't think Netanyahu will accept it, but Olmert might have.
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badger1970 Tue, May 5, 2009 7:29:39am |
Carl Sagan's quote reminds me of his last book "The Pale Blue Dot" where is noted that the space race was based not on space but on developing rocket engines to power ICBMs. Once we got to the moon, what happened? Werner von Braun is quoted about the V2 aiming for the moon but hitting London.
Working in a school district I can confirm that science and technology (unless the students are gifted) take a backseat to political correctness and "can't we all get along." Heck in the business ed classroom, there's Rachel Carson and Shirley Chisholm posters (the teachers is a raving lunatic lefty-and her students still can't type).
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JohnnyReb Tue, May 5, 2009 7:30:19am |
re: #297 Kosh's Shadow
The truth probably will come out, but this could also be denial under duress.
Like in the Monty Python Piranha Brothers sketch, one victim says Dinsdale was a "smashing bloke. Used to buy his mother flowers and all that" until confronted with the picture that showed Dinsdale had indeed nailed his head to the floor.
I thought Doug was the one going around nailing peoples heads to the floor?
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avanti Tue, May 5, 2009 7:32:36am |
re: #297 Kosh's Shadow
The truth probably will come out, but this could also be denial under duress.
Like in the Monty Python Piranha Brothers sketch, one victim says Dinsdale was a "smashing bloke. Used to buy his mother flowers and all that" until confronted with the picture that showed Dinsdale had indeed nailed his head to the floor.
Yep, I'd give it a few days. Fox will beat it to death for a few days, then the truth will come out. If it turns out to be a real story, the MSN will pick it up, if not Fox will just move on to the next entertaining rumor.
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sattv4u2 Tue, May 5, 2009 7:33:40am |
re: #305 JohnnyReb
[Link: video.google.com...]
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 7:33:56am |
re: #305 JohnnyReb
I thought Doug was the one going around nailing peoples heads to the floor?
That was Dinsdale. Doug, well, I've seen grown men rip their own heads off rather than see Doug.
He used... sarcasm.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 7:34:08am |
A very nice patient just showed up to have an old crown ( cap ) recemented. BUT she forgot one thing. The old crown ( that I didn't make by the way ). Well I got a half hour off.
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eddiebear Tue, May 5, 2009 7:35:01am |
re: #286 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Yeah, I am always reminded of that line about us dodging a bullet by not having that dunce Palin in Washington.
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avanti Tue, May 5, 2009 7:35:37am |
re: #301 kansas
Here's another Fox Story for ya there: [Link: www.nypost.com...]
I'd expect a full report from the WH on that circle jerk this week. That was a major screw up, and the administration has to get to the bottom of it.
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 7:36:01am |
re: #242 realwest
Holy crap! If this is true, even to a small extent, the implications are huge. The New Chicago Mob is muscling in on the corporate Amercia.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 7:36:11am |
tfk? I wish Ms. TFK would register- from what I've seen, she's a smart lady, and I'd like to hear more from her. Is she open to this idea? I hope so.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 7:36:46am |
re: #318 avanti
I'd expect a full report from the WH on that circle jerk this week. That was a major screw up, and the administration has to get to the bottom of it.
That's sarcasm right?
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abolitionist Tue, May 5, 2009 7:37:48am |
re: #66 zombie
[snip] Once you have that, you can then make parabolas of any curvature.
With those, easy enough to make parabolic mirrors. [snip]
A typical cheap mirror-type telescope will use a spherical mirror with a focal length about 10 times its diameter. F/10 in camera jargon. A small F/10 spherical mirror is such a close approximation to the ideal F/10 parabolic mirror that it is already near-perfect, optically.
A spherical surface is the easiest to fashion with glass or metal, because two spherical surfaces of the same curvature can remain in intimate contact as they slide over each other. This is not true for any other shape surface, except flat.
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dwells38 Tue, May 5, 2009 7:38:26am |
re: #296 Nevergiveup
It's just worthless words anyway. And they ONLY talking about a truce? So after x amount of years ( 10 if you believe them ) all bets are off and it's kill the Jews time again.
I think it's pretty clear the entire Muslim world (not just jihadists) including it's expats in other countries has completely rejected the existence of a Jewish theocratic state in the ME. No discussion or compromise is possible.
I hate to say it but other than triggering WWIII what ultimately are Israel's options? The rest of the world has decided to let Iran have a bomb which I have no doubt they'll use either overtly or covertly thru terror channels.
I wonder if Israel should begin negotiating on terms of surrender soon. Never thought I'd say it but if we could have kept WMDs out of the hands of their enemies they could have continued but I don't see it now.
They should try and get their people out safely and or see if the victors will allow some sort of assimilation without having every last thing they own and control confiscated.
Sorry for that gloomy thought.
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avanti Tue, May 5, 2009 7:38:46am |
re: #321 Nevergiveup
That's sarcasm right?
No, they are supposed to finish the internal investigation this week.
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haakondahl Tue, May 5, 2009 7:39:10am |
No problems here, if this goes through, and I can refresh...
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opnion Tue, May 5, 2009 7:40:26am |
re: #318 avanti
I'd expect a full report from the WH on that circle jerk this week. That was a major screw up, and the administration has to get to the bottom of it.
You do not have to do anything , when you rule by Divine Right.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, May 5, 2009 7:40:29am |
re: #287 Kosh's Shadow
Hamas is now sounding like Fatah:
Of course, with the "return of the Paliterrorist refugees", by 10 years, Israel wouldn't be a Jewish state, and the 1967 borders are suicide even if "refugees" didn't return.But this is enough to get the US, UN, and EU to pressure Israel even more to negotiate with Hamas, and even make a peace deal.
All that you say is true, but OTOH you know they really got the shit kicked out of them by the Israelis for them to be offering a 10 year truce - even if it IS bullshit.
I say Israel should keep the military pressure on the Palis and tell Obama to eff right off.
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vxbush Tue, May 5, 2009 7:40:32am |
re: #322 abolitionist
A typical cheap mirror-type telescope will use a spherical mirror with a focal length about 10 times its diameter. F/10 in camera jargon. A small F/10 spherical mirror is such a close approximation to the ideal F/10 parabolic mirror that it is already near-perfect, optically.
A spherical surface is the easiest to fashion with glass or metal, because two spherical surfaces of the same curvature can remain in intimate contact as they slide over each other. This is not true for any other shape surface, except flat.
Of course, if you know how the formula for a parabola is derived, it's easy enough to work out. But given Zombie's example above, the easier solution might be to find a cone and cut it at an angle so that it's parallel to one "side". Also an easy parabola.
/says the math geek, who can almost do it in her sleep
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abolitionist Tue, May 5, 2009 7:40:57am |
re: #66 zombie
[snip] Once you have that, you can then make parabolas of any curvature.
With those, easy enough to make parabolic mirrors. [snip]
A typical cheap mirror-type telescope will use a spherical mirror with a focal length about 10 times its diameter. F/10 in camera jargon. A small F/10 spherical mirror is such a close approximation to the ideal F/10 parabolic mirror that it is already near-perfect, optically.
A spherical surface is the easiest to fashion with glass or metal, because two spherical surfaces of the same curvature can remain in intimate contact as they slide over each other. This is not true for any other shape surface, except flat.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 7:42:00am |
re: #326 taxfreekiller
Ms TFK is way to conservitive to post on lgf's.
She reads and tells me ,,, why you on there with all those liberals .....
LOL- okay. I'd still wish she'd consider it and join us from time to time, but that's just me. I don't know why she'd consider us liberals- if we are, it's in the mold of our Founders, but that's just my opinion.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 7:43:08am |
haak- if you can see this....
My comments get "stuck" in the spinning wheel, but I see them post in the LGF Spy, so refresh and your comment should show up for you.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, May 5, 2009 7:43:16am |
The Gordian Knotheads Albright & Powell: Don't Forget About Foreign Aid - Prosperity depends on stability
[...]
There is also a critical role for the private sector. Businesses must do what they do best by expanding economic growth and enterprise development around the world. If we are serious about making global development a strategic priority, we must explore new opportunities for businesses and government to leverage each other's efforts and resources.
Does not compute with this Admin.
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VegasRick Tue, May 5, 2009 7:45:54am |
re: #324 avanti
No, they are supposed to finish the internal investigation this week.
You are funny!
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opnion Tue, May 5, 2009 7:48:27am |
re: #324 avanti
No, they are supposed to finish the internal investigation this week.
Preliminary report is that they have determined that this was all Bush's fault.
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avanti Tue, May 5, 2009 7:48:53am |
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VegasRick Tue, May 5, 2009 7:51:09am |
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abolitionist Tue, May 5, 2009 7:53:29am |
re: #66 zombie
[snip] Once you have that, you can then make parabolas of any curvature.
With those, easy enough to make parabolic mirrors. [snip]
A typical cheap mirror-type telescope will use a spherical mirror with a focal length about 10 times its diameter. F/10 in camera jargon. A small F/10 spherical mirror is such a close approximation to the ideal F/10 parabolic mirror that it is already near-perfect, optically.
A spherical surface is the easiest to fashion with glass or metal, because two spherical surfaces of the same curvature can remain in intimate contact as they slide over each other. This is not true for any other shape surface, except flat.
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avanti Tue, May 5, 2009 7:54:22am |
re: #344 buzzsawmonkey
Anyone else getting the Spinning Ball of Death when they hit "New Comments?"
Yes, you have to reload or refresh.
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VegasRick Tue, May 5, 2009 7:55:11am |
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simonml Tue, May 5, 2009 7:57:07am |
re: #345 abolitionist
A typical cheap mirror-type telescope will use a spherical mirror with a focal length about 10 times its diameter. F/10 in camera jargon. A small F/10 spherical mirror is such a close approximation to the ideal F/10 parabolic mirror that it is already near-perfect, optically.
A spherical surface is the easiest to fashion with glass or metal, because two spherical surfaces of the same curvature can remain in intimate contact as they slide over each other. This is not true for any other shape surface, except flat.
Tell me more about parabolic mirrors that are optically near perfect.
/
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abolitionist Tue, May 5, 2009 7:58:17am |
Apology for the multiple posts. Each attempt resulted in spinning wheel. :(
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 7:58:44am |
This is a test of the emergency comment posting system. Let's see if we can get a new comment past the spinning hamster wheel of death.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 7:58:49am |
re: #344 buzzsawmonkey
Anyone else getting the Spinning Ball of Death when they hit "New Comments?"
Yes, for new comments and for posting. Refresh works.
When posting, after clicking on "post this comment", you also need to refresh.
I copy my new comment (select the comment and copy) first, in case it gets lost; then I can paste and re-post.
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jcm Tue, May 5, 2009 7:59:13am |
One that pays taxes, the other pays taxes.
A: A system in which the public or the state have ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.B: A system in which wealth and the means of producing wealth are privately owned and controlled rather than state owned or controlled with the state regulating them.
..........................Paid..............Paid
.......................... Federal........No Federal
.......................... Taxes..........Taxes
..........................-----..............-----
Statement A......12%..............29%
Statement B......76%..............55%
Not sure............12%..............16%
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 7:59:15am |
re: #344 buzzsawmonkey
Anyone else getting the Spinning Ball of Death when they hit "New Comments?"
Ok Yes and by answering you I got to refresh my page again. you owe me
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 7:59:35am |
re: #344 buzzsawmonkey
Anyone else getting the Spinning Ball of Death when they hit "New Comments?"
Everyone is- you'll need to refresh comments the hard way. This thread has been messed up all night.
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Dr. Gene Squat Tue, May 5, 2009 8:00:19am |
Ah yes, another debate on science and technology. If it only were that simple. Most of my luddism actually has nothing to do with science and technology. It flows from the fact that there's way too much technofetishism, hype and phoniness surrounding the actual science and tech. I would go into detail, but the format of LGF(quick bits of text) prevents me from giving a dissertation regarding the evils of Dr. David Baltimore and things like JavaScript.
(P.S. I run Mozilla Firefox with the NoScript extention if anyone cares)
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Creeping Eruption Tue, May 5, 2009 8:00:38am |
A first for me: two spinning wheels of death.
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:01:03am |
Morning all!
Okay, full disclosure: I am a member of the NRA. That said, I love this headline:
National Rifle Association Convention Faces Liquor License Problem
Just two questions:
1. Wouldn't ya think the convention folks would have mentioned this to the NRA organizers?
2. Wouldn't ya think the NRA organizers would have checked this out by asking the convention folks if this could be a problem?
A potential problem with folks serving alcohol at an event ALL ABOUT guns?
Who'd a thunk it?
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 8:01:09am |
re: #352 Honorary Yooper
This is a test of the emergency comment posting system. Let's see if we can get a new comment past the spinning hamster wheel of death.
OK, came through just fine, but had to refresh to see it. Obviously the thread is Rogered somehow.
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opnion Tue, May 5, 2009 8:01:19am |
An attorney for the secured Chrysler creditors was on FNC this morning.
As secured creditors they trade off an expectation for high return for security. They agreed to take $0.50 on the dollar & yet BHO blames them for the bankruptcy & implies that they are unpatriotic.
How inappropriate is it for a president to act like this? No wonder he gets along with Chavez.
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 8:01:36am |
re: #274 Kosh's Shadow
More on Gates' attempts to reassure US allies on Iran:
I hadn't thought that would even be possible, but denials like this make me wonder.
The Iranian's know they have a motivated seller in Obama. They would be fools to jump at the first offer from Obama the Weak. Give him time, eventually Obama will offer the mullahs enough.
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SummerSong Tue, May 5, 2009 8:02:01am |
They work for you - Remind them
[Link: gradegov.com...]
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 8:04:10am |
Next time the overnight thread gets jacked, we should just create a spinoff thread to chat on all night. Just an idea.
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Honorary Yooper Tue, May 5, 2009 8:04:55am |
re: #362 buzzsawmonkey
Cool. Got to ding the jerk down and check to see if dings worked at the same time. Two birds, one stone.
Thanks for the opportunity, buzz.
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Nevergiveup Tue, May 5, 2009 8:05:39am |
re: #365 Kenneth
The Iranian's know they have a motivated seller in Obama. They would be fools to jump at the first offer from Obama the Weak. Give him time, eventually Obama will offer the mullahs EVERYTHING.
Fixed that for ya.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:07:13am |
re: #318 avanti
I'd expect a full report from the WH on that circle jerk this week. That was a major screw up, and the administration has to get to the bottom of it.
"It was Bush!"
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vxbush Tue, May 5, 2009 8:07:40am |
re: #368 Sharmuta
Next time the overnight thread gets jacked, we should just create a spinoff thread to chat on all night. Just an idea.
Let's do it now! Sharm, make a spin-off, and we can move the discussion over there.
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 8:07:51am |
For those just joining us, I repeat my #252:
The overnight dead thread is messed up.
New Comments isn't working right.
Auto isn't working right.
I'm getting new comments by refreshing the page.
You can post (including reply or quote), but after you hit "post" and then get the spinning wheel of wait wait wait, you'll need to refresh the page.
I can ding posts, btw.
(I haven't tried preview, and don't plan to on this thread.)
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Russkilitlover Tue, May 5, 2009 8:08:03am |
re: #364 opnion
An attorney for the secured Chrysler creditors was on FNC this morning.
As secured creditors they trade off an expectation for high return for security. They agreed to take $0.50 on the dollar & yet BHO blames them for the bankruptcy & implies that they are unpatriotic.
How inappropriate is it for a president to act like this? No wonder he gets along with Chavez.
It's more than just inappropriate. It's smacks of classic tyranny. The secured creditors are first in line in a bankruptcy (after the lawyers and accountants). .50 on the dollar is a huge loss for these creditors who invested in Chrysler as a safe and secure investment. They are being jacked around and demonized in a thinly veiled threatening manner by our government. I. Do. Not. Like. It.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:10:21am |
re: #364 opnion
Hey opnion - please read my #242 above. I hadda turn off the TV cause all he was saying at that point was "no comment."
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:11:26am |
re: #372 Iron Fist
Hi Iron Fist! LOL! Well, at least ya said "after". If ya'd said "before", well, it would be interesting to watch.....
from a distance....
in a bunker.
;-)
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:11:46am |
re: #372 Iron Fist
That would be almost as fun as getting shit-faced after shooting machineguns and high explosives all day. No one would ever do that.
i have..... %-)
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 8:13:44am |
re: #365 Kenneth
The Iranian's know they have a motivated seller in Obama. They would be fools to jump at the first offer from Obama the Weak. Give him time, eventually Obama will offer the mullahs enough.
I guess the slow death of Israel isn't enough; they'll only accept the immediate destruction of Israel and its head on a silver platter.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:15:19am |
Drive-by post, just to wish you all a Feliz Cinco de Cinco! (as the most eloquent and sophisticated POTUS evah would say).
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jcm Tue, May 5, 2009 8:15:21am |
re: #344 buzzsawmonkey
Anyone else getting the Spinning Ball of Death when they hit "New Comments?"
Hamsters need a triple shot of espresso this morning.
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yesandno Tue, May 5, 2009 8:16:17am |
re: #323 dwells38
I think it's pretty clear the entire Muslim world (not just jihadists) including it's expats in other countries has completely rejected the existence of a Jewish theocratic state in the ME. No discussion or compromise is possible.
I hate to say it but other than triggering WWIII what ultimately are Israel's options? The rest of the world has decided to let Iran have a bomb which I have no doubt they'll use either overtly or covertly thru terror channels.
I wonder if Israel should begin negotiating on terms of surrender soon. Never thought I'd say it but if we could have kept WMDs out of the hands of their enemies they could have continued but I don't see it now.
They should try and get their people out safely and or see if the victors will allow some sort of assimilation without having every last thing they own and control confiscated.
Sorry for that gloomy thought.
Gloomy isn't the essence of this post. VICTORS will allow...? without having every last thing they own and control confiscated? Like their freedom perhaps? Better to be a slave in a peaceful environment then a free man in a conflict? If you have no freedom, then the rest is meaningless. And if WWIII occurs because Iran gets the bomb that is Israel's fault? GIGO.....
I hope if the war comes to America, I am not standing behind you.............and I don't want to lead you either. You would slow me down thinking of alternative ways for me to surrender.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:16:41am |
Drive-by post, just to wish you all a Feliz Cinco de Cinco! (as the most eloquent and sophisticated POTUS evah would say).
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Russkilitlover Tue, May 5, 2009 8:16:58am |
re: #382 Iron Fist
This is a huge lapse in judgement on somebody's part. They wanted publicity shots? Take the O-man to one of those salons where they paint you up so much you don't look like yourself, and take all the footage you can shoot...
With the massive amount of planning and coordinating across multiple agencies, there should be several people fired over this incident NOW. It's absolutely inexcusable and, IMO, put citizens at extreme risk. There is NO EFFING WAY that so many people are so clueless about this. Obama's remark that he found out when we did is absurd!
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:17:58am |
re: #383 Kosh's Shadow
Unfortunately for the Mullah's Israel can defend itself, without help from the U.S. - and thank God for that.
Obama however may try to treat Israel the way he's apparently trying to treat the bondholder's of Chrysler.
Hope Israel tells him to piss off.
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opnion Tue, May 5, 2009 8:17:59am |
re: #379 realwest
Good post Real. Yes the guy did look scared, although the 'I can't comment" thing was frustrating. Kind like a singer showing up & saying, "Ya know, I really can't sing."
All of that aside, this government is acting like a bunch of banana republic thugs. People should not be threatened or held up to public scorn for doing their jobs. Honestly, this is the behavior I expeted from this Chicago mob.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:18:51am |
re: #384 Occasional Reader
Hey O.R. - please check your e-mail!
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:19:00am |
This thread is behaving kinda screwy. Sorry for the double post.
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dwells38 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:19:37am |
re: #323 dwells38
Just realized the irony of posting that to someone using the handle of Nevergiveup.
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opnion Tue, May 5, 2009 8:19:41am |
Has anybody figured out a way to beat the spinning Wheel?
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:19:45am |
re: #388 Russkilitlover
With the massive amount of planning and coordinating across multiple agencies, there should be several people fired over this incident NOW. It's absolutely inexcusable and, IMO, put citizens at extreme risk. There is NO EFFING WAY that so many people are so clueless about this. Obama's remark that he found out when we did is absurd!
not that absurd: avanti believes him..... meanwhile, the cover up and stonewalling continues.
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Miss Trixie Tue, May 5, 2009 8:20:45am |
♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪
Wow. Took a long time to comment - thread's rogered.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, May 5, 2009 8:21:06am |
R.I.P. Dom DeLuise.
[Link: www.theinsider.com...]
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:21:13am |
Hey guys! For all those waiting to see those super cool pictures of AF-1 (I know, not technically) and the Statue of Liberty,
From the article:
"We have no plans to release them," an aide to President Obama told The Post, refusing to comment further.
The sole purpose of the secret photo-op, which sent thousands of New Yorkers running for cover, was to take new publicity shots of the presidential jet over the city.
Youse guys are a hoot!
NOT!
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jcm Tue, May 5, 2009 8:21:22am |
We've just learned that Dom DeLuise -- who starred in such classics as "The Cannonball Run" and "Blazing Saddles" and was the voice of Pizza the Hutt in "Spaceballs" -- died last night in a Los Angeles hospital.We're told he passed away peacefully in his sleep at around 6 PM.
He was 75.
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tradewind Tue, May 5, 2009 8:22:56am |
Sorry if this is redundant, I've been away from posting for a bit...
More evidence of what a douche this guy is...
-WashPost A1, 'Murtha's Nephew Got Defense Contracts: Millions in Work Came Without Competition,' by Carol D. Leonnig and Alice Crites: '[L]ast year, Murtech [in Glen Burnie, Md.] received $4 million in Pentagon work, all of it without competition, for a variety of warehousing and engineering services. With its long corridor of sparsely occupied offices and an unmanned reception area, Murtech's most striking feature is its owner -- Robert C. Murtha Jr., 49. He is the nephew of Rep. John P. Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat who has significant sway over the Defense Department's spending as chairman of the House Appropriations defense subcommittee. Robert Murtha said he is not at liberty to discuss in detail what his company does, but for four years it has subsisted on defense contracts, according to records and interviews.'
Sorry for no link, it was emailed. but it's easily checked.
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KenJen Tue, May 5, 2009 8:23:00am |
Our local radio host Francene (84 WHAS Louisville) just had Robert Spencer on. I called in to ask him about some of his associates but they would not put me on air. I wonder why? I'm e-mailing her some of Charles threads so she can get a better idea of who she was talking to.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:23:23am |
re: #390 opnion
Uh, which Chicago "mob" - the Mafia's version or King Richard's?!
BTW, please note that I didn't say that the "death threats" (if they exist) were coming from the WH. Even Obama and Emmanuel are too smart for that.
BTW - did you also see the Fox Story on the members of ACORN who admitted, under oath, that they only got paid if they got "x" numbers of voters registered and would therefor make up names and addresses so they'd get paid? And that ACORN knew this and passed on the fraudulent registrations anyway?
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Guanxi88 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:23:54am |
re: #400 jcm
Rest in Peace, there, Big Guy. You were one funny SOB.
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 8:24:11am |
re: #402 KenJen
Our local radio host Francene (84 WHAS Louisville) just had Robert Spencer on. I called in to ask him about some of his associates but they would not put me on air. I wonder why? I'm e-mailing her some of Charles threads so she can get a better idea of who she was talking to.
LMAO! That would have been hilarious if you'd gotten on air with him.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, May 5, 2009 8:25:30am |
Hilarious for anyone who has played the (excellent) Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion game:
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Sharmuta Tue, May 5, 2009 8:25:44am |
This thread is now also causing my Safari to lock up and boot me offline. I hope Stinky fixes it soon.
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jcm Tue, May 5, 2009 8:25:54am |
We've just learned that Dom DeLuise -- who starred in such classics as "The Cannonball Run" and "Blazing Saddles" and was the voice of Pizza the Hutt in "Spaceballs" -- died last night in a Los Angeles hospital.We're told he passed away peacefully in his sleep at around 6 PM.
He was 75.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 8:26:21am |
re: #389 realwest
Unfortunately for the Mullah's Israel can defend itself, without help from the U.S. - and thank God for that.
Obama however may try to treat Israel the way he's apparently trying to treat the bondholder's of Chrysler.
Hope Israel tells him to piss off.
This shows why Israel should be able to defend itself, and not rely on allies. They can be a "staff of reeds", as Jewish history has repeatedly shown.
(That particular quote is from the Prophets, and tells Egypt that it will suffer 40 years of devastation, never to regain its power, for not supporting Israel when Israel relied on Egypt's support. Any more on that topic and I'll sound loony.)
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Timbre Tue, May 5, 2009 8:27:48am |
Doctors said one man was bitten on the hand after trying to pet a snake. They said the man had been drinking prior to the incident.“We've seen several people who've tried petting the snakes, and even on occasion people trying to kiss the snake. Any of those things usually result in the patient getting bitten," said Dr. Michael Levine, a toxicologist at Banner Poison Control Center.
Doctors said it’s important to call for help or get to a hospital after a rattlesnake bite.
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KenJen Tue, May 5, 2009 8:29:04am |
re: #405 Sharmuta
LMAO! That would have been hilarious if you'd gotten on air with him.
I was nervous just talking to the screener but I was prepared thanks to Charles and all Lizards. I was gonna eat him for lunch.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:29:09am |
re: #401 tradewind
Sorry if this is redundant, I've been away from posting for a bit...
More evidence of what a douche this guy is...
Sorry for no link, it was emailed. but it's easily checked.
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kansas Tue, May 5, 2009 8:29:35am |
re: #318 avanti
I'd expect a full report from the WH on that circle jerk this week. That was a major screw up, and the administration has to get to the bottom of it.
You're killing me here Maverick.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:29:50am |
BTW y'all - has anyone heard of the Navy commissioning a new ship - maybe called the USS America? Any links or ideas of what that ship is?
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dwells38 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:30:23am |
re: #333 buzzsawmonkey
What "Jewish theocratic state"? Are you seriously suggesting that Israel is a theocracy?
I seemed to have stepped into some serious controversy doo-doo.
Let me say I realize they are also a democracy and the freest state in the region. I thought their attempts to preserve their Jewish identity pointed to their being a theocracy and I don't say it as an insult.
Otherwise why not let the overwhelming numbers of Muslims in the region move in and have majority rule and end all the hoopla?
I'll by end saying I know I'm sometimes a bit naive on certain things and blurt things out bluntly so feel free to correct me with clear reputable references or crushing logic.
Or downding away or whatever :)
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lawhawk Tue, May 5, 2009 8:30:46am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that Obama's tax plan to close "loopholes" has pissed off the drug companies (to say nothing of any businesses that would see the Treasury Dept., headed by a tax cheat and the House Ways and Means headed by a tax cheat, claim that they're cutting down on "tax cheats").
At the same time, the Administration is claiming that the Scare Force One photos are classified and will not release them. Nonsense. We bought 'em. We want to see 'em (and want to see what the White House got for its little stunt that scared thousands of folks in and around the NYC metro area with its little flyby stunt).
Meanwhile, the Administration continues facing tests, and Pakistan looks like it needs to send a serious Swat team into Swat, because the situation is getting worse by the day.
And there's no reason to think that Obama's foreign policy is going to improve relations with Iran. They're busy looking at throwing Israel under the bus, and Iran is showing its contempt with attacking targets inside Iraq and meeting with Hamas thugs in Syria (with whom the US wants to expand relations with as well).
At the same time, Hamas now claims that they want a 10-year hudna, which should be seen as just that - and not a ceasefire or truce. Hamas wants the time to regroup and rearm with the latest and greatest technologies, and coordinating with Iran is the lynchpin. They are probably getting intel and information about what they need to do going forward.
The Administration's response to all this? Let's talk.
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opnion Tue, May 5, 2009 8:31:09am |
re: #403 realwest
Uh, which Chicago "mob" - the Mafia's version or King Richard's?!
BTW, please note that I didn't say that the "death threats" (if they exist) were coming from the WH. Even Obama and Emmanuel are too smart for that.
BTW - did you also see the Fox Story on the members of ACORN who admitted, under oath, that they only got paid if they got "x" numbers of voters registered and would therefor make up names and addresses so they'd get paid? And that ACORN knew this and passed on the fraudulent registrations anyway?
No, the guy was not implying that death threats were coming from the White House, but from members of the public. This is an unintended consequence of BHO going with the public denounciation.
As far as Acorn, I see this as the tip of the iceberg. They got public money to be nonpartisan & register new voters. Clearly they favor Democrats & I doubt if they kowingly registered one Republican.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 8:31:14am |
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 8:32:03am |
re: #383 Kosh's Shadow
That's one hell of an ultimatum Obama has made: cut a deal with the Palis or we'll let the Iranians have their nukes. Hold a gun to the Jews' head, Barry!
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:32:09am |
re: #410 Iron Fist
Now that was a cool party! Wish I'd been there.
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Miss Trixie Tue, May 5, 2009 8:32:12am |
{realwest} *smoochie-smooch* Hope you're good as gold today and that this post get posted. Not having much luck with some other ones.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:32:36am |
re: #413 redc1c4
Yeah, JammieWearingFool's blog has a thread on that very story today!
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dwells38 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:34:27am |
re: #416 dwells38
I seemed to have stepped into some serious controversy doo-doo.
Let me say I realize they are also a democracy and the freest state in the region. I thought their attempts to preserve their Jewish identity pointed to their being a theocracy and I don't say it as an insult.
Otherwise why not let the overwhelming numbers of Muslims in the region move in and have majority rule and end all the hoopla?
I'll by end saying I know I'm sometimes a bit naive on certain things and blurt things out bluntly so feel free to correct me with clear reputable references or crushing logic.
Or downding away or whatever :)
I should also say I realize they aren't ruled by a bunch of rabbis and they're completely tolerant of other religions unlike a lot of other CLEAR theocracies.
Better? Am I getting close?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:36:00am |
re: #416 dwells38
I thought their attempts to preserve their Jewish identity pointed to their being a theocracy
Please look up the definition of the word "theocracy", then get back to us.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:36:32am |
re: #418 opnion
Frankly and to be perfectly blunt about it, I see this (not the death threats if any) as part of President Obama's ongoing class warfare - the one where ultimately EVERYONE LOSES.
At what point do you think he'll have done enough for the UAW to repay their truly enormous campaign efforts for him?
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:36:37am |
re: #416 dwells38
I seemed to have stepped into some serious controversy doo-doo.
Let me say I realize they are also a democracy and the freest state in the region. I thought their attempts to preserve their Jewish identity pointed to their being a theocracy and I don't say it as an insult.
Otherwise why not let the overwhelming numbers of Muslims in the region move in and have majority rule and end all the hoopla?
I'll by end saying I know I'm sometimes a bit naive on certain things and blurt things out bluntly so feel free to correct me with clear reputable references or crushing logic.
Or downding away or whatever :)
i don't think that word means what you think it does. as for being naive, it's traditional around these parts to educate yourself, lest you get taken to school, as you have been this morning.
hth.
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SurferDoc Tue, May 5, 2009 8:37:15am |
HIyas, Lizards. I've been in the hospital for a few weeks and I'm glad to be back home.
So.
What did I miss?
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:37:38am |
re: #426 Occasional Reader
GACK! O.R. - please check your e-mail!
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jcm Tue, May 5, 2009 8:37:41am |
re: #415 realwest
BTW y'all - has anyone heard of the Navy commissioning a new ship - maybe called the USS America? Any links or ideas of what that ship is?
Only USS America I'm aware of is the CV-66 USS America.
The third USS America (CV-66), formerly CVA-66, was a Kitty Hawk class supercarrier of the United States Navy that served from 1965 to 1996. She was the fifth U.S. Navy ship to bear the name.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 8:37:50am |
re: #417 lawhawk
At the same time, Hamas now claims that they want a 10-year hudna, which should be seen as just that - and not a ceasefire or truce. Hamas wants the time to regroup and rearm with the latest and greatest technologies, and coordinating with Iran is the lynchpin. They are probably getting intel and information about what they need to do going forward.
The Administration's response to all this? Let's talk.
I think Hamas also expects with this "acceptance", Israel will be pressured into negotiating with Hamas, and accepting a Paliterrorist state.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 5, 2009 8:39:33am |
In looking at how the Administration is approaching the middle east, I am dizzy from the spectacle.
This administration either has A) no moral compass, B) is totally amoral, or C) is just badly confused.
I vote for A
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:40:12am |
re: #422 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous - *smooches* back to you! I hope Charles can fix whatever it is that's bugging LGF soon!
Also hope you're doing well today!
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 8:40:38am |
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Charles Johnson Tue, May 5, 2009 8:41:35am |
There we go again. There was a gremlin character in the post at the top of the thread, gumming up the works.
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:42:07am |
re: #432 jcm Hi jcm! No, Mom heard something about it but didn't get any details except she "thinks" they said that the Navy is commissioning a NEW ship named USS America.
GET READY FOR CHARLES' TEST!
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Russkilitlover Tue, May 5, 2009 8:42:34am |
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:42:46am |
re: #415 realwest
BTW y'all - has anyone heard of the Navy commissioning a new ship - maybe called the USS America? Any links or ideas of what that ship is?
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opnion Tue, May 5, 2009 8:42:54am |
re: #427 realwest
Frankly and to be perfectly blunt about it, I see this (not the death threats if any) as part of President Obama's ongoing class warfare - the one where ultimately EVERYONE LOSES.
At what point do you think he'll have done enough for the UAW to repay their truly enormous campaign efforts for him?
Yeah, Obama is in no way responsible for any death threats, but he is responsible for the inflated rhetoric. He does promote class warfare ala Hugo Chavez, he just does not have that absolute power.
IMO he is the most radical President in our history. The closest prior was FDR's VP Henry Wallace & FDR dumped him.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:43:15am |
re: #429 SurferDoc
HIyas, Lizards. I've been in the hospital for a few weeks and I'm glad to be back home.
So.
What did I miss?
your shorts?
(thread appears to be fixed, btw. %-)
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 8:43:51am |
re: #440 Charles
There we go again. There was a gremlin character in the post at the top of the thread, gumming up the works.
Gremlin character in the overnight dead thread - who fed it after midnight?
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Miss Trixie Tue, May 5, 2009 8:44:49am |
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realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 8:45:05am |
re: #429 SurferDoc Whoa, SurferDoc - in the hospital for a few weeks?! Man I hope you are ok!
And that you have medical insurance!
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:46:37am |
re: #430 buzzsawmonkey
In any event, I'd do zombie's "travel back in time to ancient Rome" experiment a little differently. I'd just team up with a good Roman ironsmith, and make guns (which I think I could figure out how to do, given a little time). Then, lead an army to China, and take all their stuff!
Realwest: I already replied to your e-mail, thanks.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:47:02am |
Thanks, Charles, for reversing the flux capacitor (or whatever it was that you did).
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_RememberTonyC Tue, May 5, 2009 8:47:06am |
re: #440 Charles
There we go again. There was a gremlin character in the post at the top of the thread, gumming up the works.
take it out back and cap it
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SurferDoc Tue, May 5, 2009 8:48:05am |
re: #448 redc1c4
your shorts?
(thread appears to be fixed, btw. %-)
Last time I was here we were talking about going to the Poppy Preserve--then a week later I got zapped by pneumonia and CHF.
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SurferDoc Tue, May 5, 2009 8:48:49am |
re: #454 realwest
Whoa, SurferDoc - in the hospital for a few weeks?! Man I hope you are ok!
And that you have medical insurance!
I'm semi-OK and well insured.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Tue, May 5, 2009 8:48:50am |
re: #458 Occasional Reader
Thanks, Charles, for reversing the flux capacitor (or whatever it was that you did).
I believe that Charles - or more properly Stinky - Backflushed the flux capacitor. Alright, who was responsible for the foreign character(s) at the start of this thread?
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quickjustice Tue, May 5, 2009 8:49:35am |
And I doubled posted as well when the first one wouldn't post with five minutes! Apologies, all!
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 8:49:58am |
re: #416 dwells38
If your neighbors repeatedly tried to kill you, stating publicly all the while that they wanted you dead, would you really think the best solution was to let them move in with you?
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jcm Tue, May 5, 2009 8:50:03am |
re: #441 realwest
Hi jcm! No, Mom heard something about it but didn't get any details except she "thinks" they said that the Navy is commissioning a NEW ship named USS America.
GET READY FOR CHARLES' TEST!
Most recent commissioning that I can find:
USS Truxton in April.
USS New York in November.
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marge45b Tue, May 5, 2009 8:50:12am |
Air force one's buzzing of NYC pictures will be "classified." It's a cover up.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:50:23am |
And another example of "how to make yourself useful if you find yourself transported back in time to ancient Rome": Probably anyone on this thread could revolutionize Roman medical technology.
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:51:24am |
re: #466 marge45b
Air force one's buzzing of NYC pictures will be "classified." It's a cover up.
I wouldn't exactly call it a "cover-up"; everyone knows what happened. More like, they're too embarrassed to release the photos. I would be, too, if I were them.
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VegasRick Tue, May 5, 2009 8:52:43am |
re: #468 Occasional Reader
I wouldn't exactly call it a "cover-up"; everyone knows what happened. More like, they're too embarrassed to release the photos. I would be, too, if I were them.
Who took the pictures?
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 8:53:29am |
re: #440 Charles
There we go again. There was a gremlin character in the post at the top of the thread, gumming up the works.
Thank you, Charles!
It occurs to me (again) how spoiled we are to be able to hang out at a blog that usually works beautifully.
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jcm Tue, May 5, 2009 8:53:34am |
Obama Won't Release Air Force One New York Photos
The New York Post reported May 5 that photos of the president's plane flying low over New York will not be released to the public. An Obama aide is quoted as saying, "We have no plans to release them."Most transparent government ever, right? I guess that only applies if being transparent is bad for Republicans or former President Bush. Only positive information for the current administration, please. No dissenters allowed.
I paid for the damn photos.
I want a fucking copy.
FOIA release..........
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:54:16am |
re: #470 VegasRick
Who took the pictures?
Does it matter? I doubt the photographer was the one calling the shots in this idiotic blunder.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:54:24am |
re: #460 SurferDoc
Last time I was here we were talking about going to the Poppy Preserve--then a week later I got zapped by pneumonia and CHF.
the Poppy Preserve would have been more fun.
/white smoke
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:54:30am |
Meanwhile, in the Oh Crap Department:
Pakistan expects Swat exodus as deal crumbles
Government says up to 500,000 will flee fighting in Taliban stronghold
From the article:
Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan said the militants were in control of "90 percent" of the valley and said their actions were in response to army violations of the peace deal such as attacking insurgents and boosting troop numbers in the region. He accused the government of acting under pressure from the U.S.
"Everything will be OK once our rulers stop bowing before America," he told The Associated Press by cell phone.
Oh yeah, Khan. We've seen just how "OK" things are when you bastards are in charge.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:55:12am |
re: #462 Conservative in Liberal Hands
I believe that Charles - or more properly Stinky - Backflushed the flux capacitor. Alright, who was responsible for the foreign character(s) at the start of this thread?
Phobe Cates?
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VegasRick Tue, May 5, 2009 8:55:31am |
re: #473 Occasional Reader
Does it matter? I doubt the photographer was the one calling the shots in this idiotic blunder.
They release the "terror" memos but not photos that everyone knows were taken? Huh?
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SurferDoc Tue, May 5, 2009 8:56:08am |
re: #475 redc1c4
the Poppy Preserve would have been more fun.
/white smoke
Amen to that! A firefight at the Poppy Preserve would have beat that!
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Kragar Tue, May 5, 2009 8:56:37am |
re: #476 subsailor68
Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan said the militants were in control of "90 percent" of the valley
Which means sustained artillery and airstrikes would be effective thru 90% of the valley.
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Russkilitlover Tue, May 5, 2009 8:57:16am |
re: #470 VegasRick
Who took the pictures?
Who was on the plane?
By trying to sweep everything under the rug and spreading amnesia throughout the media, this Administration is an inept as the Clintons in explaining satisfactorily what could be just a snafu (of major proportions), taking appropriate disciplinary steps (fire numerour people) and putting the issue to rest.
The way they obfuscate, they breed suspicion and distrust.
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Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 8:57:19am |
re: #468 Occasional Reader
The Forgotten Element of the Fly-by
The 2 F16's which followed AF1 came from a base in Alabama. This extra distance required at least one refueling per plane, adding further to the cost. The whole shebang cost $300,000.
And we got nothing for it.
Change!
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:57:21am |
re: #472 jcm
Obama Won't Release Air Force One New York Photos
I paid for the damn photos.
I want a fucking copy.
FOIA release..........
Hi JCM! Yeah, posted that a little earlier as well. Pretty suspicious, eh?
You know what I think? Wanna know? Huh? Heh, heh. I think they got back, turned to the photographer and asked how the pics turned out, and he realized he'd forgotten to put film in the camera.
;-)
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:57:30am |
re: #479 VegasRick
They release the "terror" memos but not photos that everyone knows were taken? Huh?
I'm not saying they shouldn't release the pics; as someone noted above, we bloody well paid for them, let's see them. I'm just saying "coverup" is not the right way to describe this.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:57:47am |
re: #481 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Which means sustained artillery and airstrikes would be effective thru 90% of the valley.
no, they would just interrupt a bunch of wedding celebrations.
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Russkilitlover Tue, May 5, 2009 8:58:07am |
re: #468 Occasional Reader
I wouldn't exactly call it a "cover-up"; everyone knows what happened. More like, they're too embarrassed to release the photos. I would be, too, if I were them.
Maybe someone forgot to take the lens cap off.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 8:58:50am |
re: #484 subsailor68
Hi JCM! Yeah, posted that a little earlier as well. Pretty suspicious, eh?
You know what I think? Wanna know? Huh? Heh, heh. I think they got back, turned to the photographer and asked how the pics turned out, and he realized he'd forgotten to put
filma memory card in the camera.;-)
FTFY!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 8:59:00am |
USS Freedom appears to be a bad m-fing ship.
300 feet long, 52 MPH.
Shudder pirates. Shudder.
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Kragar Tue, May 5, 2009 8:59:12am |
re: #486 redc1c4
no, they would just interrupt a bunch of wedding celebrations.
But think about how many outstanding young Pakistani would be united with their 72 virgins.
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lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 8:59:24am |
re: #468 Occasional Reader
I wouldn't exactly call it a "cover-up"; everyone knows what happened. More like, they're too embarrassed to release the photos. I would be, too, if I were them.
It was easy meat for the comedians, of course:
Did you see that, the 747 jet flying low over New York City? It caused a huge panic. Some government idiot thought it would be a good idea to buzz the city to get pictures of planes flying over the Statue of Liberty. But they didn’t warn anybody. What’s the government’s next big idea? "Hey, let’s send a guy in a pirate costume to Captain Richard Phillips’ house."
- Jay Leno
And Jimmy Kimmel offered some sample Photoshop images. "Look! We can add President Obama standing on the wing!"
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 8:59:41am |
re: #487 Russkilitlover
Maybe someone forgot to take the lens cap off.
"Ready when you are, C.B.!"
(punchline to very old joke)
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Killgore Trout Tue, May 5, 2009 8:59:41am |
Who's telling the truth?
Bernanke contradicts B. of A.'s Lewis on Merrill
Federal Reserve Board chairman Ben Bernanke denied that he urged Bank of America chief executive Kenneth Lewis to hold back disclosure on the true extent of Merrill Lynch's coming fourth-quarter losses until after shareholders approved the bank's purchase of the troubled brokerage. "I absolutely did not in any way ask Mr. Lewis to obscure any disclosures or fail to report information he should be reporting," Bernanke told the Joint Economic Committee of Congress. Bernanke said he has offered Congress full access to all Fed records on the matter. The Fed chairman said he met Lewis in the presence of top Fed staffers. Lewis told New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo that Bernanke and then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson counseled Bank of America [s:BOA] against disclosing details about the financial condition of Merrill Lynch.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 8:59:46am |
re: #468 Occasional Reader
What? The pictures show the un-washed running for their lives?
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:00:12am |
re: #490 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But think about how many outstanding young Pakistani would be united with their 72 virgins.
do they have enough goats on hand for that?
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Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:01:15am |
re: #491 lurking faith
Note how Leno blames "some idiot in the government"... still can't make a joke about The One, of course. (And my previous "free sample of talc powder mailed out in envelopes to every American" idea was funnier than his "pirate/Capt. Phillips" line. Leno sucks.)
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:01:56am |
re: #494 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What? The pictures show the
un-washedtypical white people running for their lives?
FTFY!
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VegasRick Tue, May 5, 2009 9:02:46am |
re: #496 Occasional Reader
Note how Leno blames "some idiot in the government"... still can't make a joke about The One, of course. (And my previous "free sample of talc powder mailed out in envelopes to every American" idea was funnier than his "pirate/Capt. Phillips" line. Leno sucks.)
Must have been a Bush leftover.
/
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redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:02:48am |
re: #496 Occasional Reader
Note how Leno blames "some idiot in the government"... still can't make a joke about The One, of course. (And my previous "free sample of talc powder mailed out in envelopes to every American" idea was funnier than his "pirate/Capt. Phillips" line. Leno sucks.)
now, now.... we have Ear Leader's word that he knew nothing about this.
| 500 |
Ben Hur Tue, May 5, 2009 9:02:51am |
The tower used the call sign "Air Force One."
The pictures won't be released.
He was on the plane.
Discuss.
| 501 |
Russkilitlover Tue, May 5, 2009 9:02:56am |
re: #496 Occasional Reader
Note how Leno blames "some idiot in the government"... still can't make a joke about The One, of course. (And my previous "free sample of talc powder mailed out in envelopes to every American" idea was funnier than his "pirate/Capt. Phillips" line. Leno sucks.)
First thing I thought of, although, I didn't remember it was you who posted it. My bad.
| 502 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:03:18am |
re: #498 VegasRick
Must have been a Bush leftover.
/
Caldera is, but was he really the one calling the ball?
| 503 |
turn Tue, May 5, 2009 9:03:21am |
re: #487 Russkilitlover
Maybe someone forgot to take the lens cap off.
More likely the pics showed crowds of people in the background running in panic. Whatever this administrations reasoning is it is just plain wrong. They release shit that damages this country and they won't release a friggin picture of air force one - spit. Hey what the heck is a gremlin character anyway?
| 504 |
Russkilitlover Tue, May 5, 2009 9:03:37am |
re: #500 Ben Hur
The tower used the call sign "Air Force One."
The pictures won't be released.
He was on the plane.
Discuss.
Link?
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Fat Jolly Penguin Tue, May 5, 2009 9:04:02am |
| 506 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 9:04:23am |
re: #476 subsailor68
Meanwhile, in the Oh Crap Department:
Pakistan expects Swat exodus as deal crumbles
Government says up to 500,000 will flee fighting in Taliban strongholdFrom the article:
Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan said the militants were in control of "90 percent" of the valley and said their actions were in response to army violations of the peace deal such as attacking insurgents and boosting troop numbers in the region. He accused the government of acting under pressure from the U.S.
"Everything will be OK once our rulers stop bowing before America," he told The Associated Press by cell phone.Oh yeah, Khan. We've seen just how "OK" things are when you bastards are in charge.
They aren't just fleeing the fighting, but the Taliban's Sharia law as well.
| 508 |
yesandno Tue, May 5, 2009 9:04:39am |
re: #416 dwells38
I seemed to have stepped into some serious controversy doo-doo.
Let me say I realize they are also a democracy and the freest state in the region. I thought their attempts to preserve their Jewish identity pointed to their being a theocracy and I don't say it as an insult.
No you said it as stupidity...either way you lose.
Otherwise why not let the overwhelming numbers of Muslims in the region move in and have majority rule and end all the hoopla?
Does that mean we should give the South Western US to Mexico?
I'll by end saying I know I'm sometimes a bit naive on certain things and blurt things out bluntly so feel free to correct me with clear reputable references or crushing logic.
You are not naive. You are ignorant. You are adversarial and if you believe what you say... Mostly, you are troll-like.
Or downding away or whatever :)
| 509 |
redc1c4 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:04:40am |
re: #500 Ben Hur
The tower used the call sign "Air Force One."
The pictures won't be released.
He was on the plane.
Discuss.
do we know for sure that was the call sign?
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dwells38 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:04:53am |
re: #428 redc1c4
i don't think that word means what you think it does. as for being naive, it's traditional around these parts to educate yourself, lest you get taken to school, as you have been this morning.
hth.
I really don't care about winning any arguments. However, when I google the word theocracy in relation to Israel (educating myself at least to the extent that can be done in a few minutes) what I said doesn't appear to be completely preposterous as some seem to think they have theocratic aspects.
I realize when someone uses the term theocracy in relation to Israel it can be used like a weapon by those who wish to equate Isreal with say, Iran. That of course I don't agree with and wouldn't want to encourage.
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subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:05:01am |
re: #506 Kosh's Shadow
They aren't just fleeing the fighting, but the Taliban's Sharia law as well.
My thoughts exactly!
| 512 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 9:05:08am |
It's my life, OK, so if I want to get my testicles... oh crap, LGF is working again!
| 513 |
Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:05:18am |
re: #500 Ben Hur
The tower used the call sign "Air Force One."
The pictures won't be released.
He was on the plane.
Discuss.
Of course Obama was on the plane. He's the only one who has the codes for the Chemtrail Dispersal Machine.
| 514 |
OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:05:27am |
re: #506 Kosh's Shadow
His name is Muslim Khan?
Someone get me Muslim Kirk on subspace frequency 209.11.2!
/I'll fix HIM
| 515 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 9:05:32am |
re: #484 subsailor68
Hi JCM! Yeah, posted that a little earlier as well. Pretty suspicious, eh?
You know what I think? Wanna know? Huh? Heh, heh. I think they got back, turned to the photographer and asked how the pics turned out, and he realized he'd forgotten to put film in the camera.
;-)
No, wait, it was a digital camera.
He forgot to remove the lens cap.
| 516 |
Ben Hur Tue, May 5, 2009 9:05:49am |
re: #504 Russkilitlover
Link?
It's only Air Force One with the President on it. Ever.
In the spirit of the last 8 years, I believe HE WAS ON THE PLANE.
| 517 |
opnion Tue, May 5, 2009 9:05:50am |
re: #479 VegasRick
They release the "terror" memos but not photos that everyone knows were taken? Huh?
I still want to see one of Obamas Law Review Articles.
| 518 |
turn Tue, May 5, 2009 9:06:18am |
re: #505 Fat Jolly Penguin
Hey bugs was fast, them gremlins are sloooooow. ha That slow down was so painful it forced turn to get work done!
| 519 |
lurking faith Tue, May 5, 2009 9:06:40am |
re: #496 Occasional Reader
Note how Leno blames "some idiot in the government"... still can't make a joke about The One, of course. (And my previous "free sample of talc powder mailed out in envelopes to every American" idea was funnier than his "pirate/Capt. Phillips" line. Leno sucks.)
I didn't see your earlier line - and I agree, it's much funnier.
I think Kimmel had a better take on the matter, too. It's incredible, not just that the administration didn't consider or care that they might cause a panic, but that it never occurred to this "technologically savvy" gang that they could produce the desired images with photoshop.
/Belt-tightening for thee, but not for me, sez the annointed 0ne
| 520 |
Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:06:57am |
re: #510 dwells38
However, when I google the word theocracy in relation to Israel (educating myself at least to the extent that can be done in a few minutes) what I said doesn't appear to be completely preposterous as some seem to think they have theocratic aspects.
Oh, well... if some say so... on the internet, no less... it must be true.
/good grief
| 521 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 9:07:09am |
re: #514 OldLineTexan
His name is Muslim Khan?
Someone get me Muslim Kirk on subspace frequency 209.11.2!
/I'll fix HIM
Ahmadinejad is the muslim Chekov, always looking for nuclear wessels.
| 522 |
realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:07:41am |
re: #460 SurferDoc
Geez, I'm truly sorry to hear about that, but also don't know what "CHF" is.
I do hope you'll recover fully from whatever it is!
| 523 |
jcm Tue, May 5, 2009 9:08:11am |
re: #462 Conservative in Liberal Hands
I believe that Charles - or more properly Stinky - Backflushed the flux capacitor. Alright, who was responsible for the foreign character(s) at the start of this thread?
You have a problem with foreign characters!
XENOPHOBE!
Stinky, clean up on #462!
/// ;-P
| 525 |
OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:08:46am |
re: #522 realwest
Geez, I'm truly sorry to hear about that, but also don't know what "CHF" is.
I do hope you'll recover fully from whatever it is!
"Cute Human Flu". It's like swine flu, but with a little button nose instead of a pig snout.
/
| 526 |
realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:08:56am |
OH and btw, as I posted somewhere up thread, Walter L. Newton is having an echocardiogram this morning, hope you will all pray for him or at least send him best wishes and keep a good thought for him!
| 527 |
lawhawk Tue, May 5, 2009 9:09:12am |
re: #500 Ben Hur
The tower used the call sign "Air Force One."
The pictures won't be released.
He was on the plane.
Discuss.
Actually, the tower records don't reflect that at all. They call it Venus 1 Heavy, not AF1.
| 528 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:09:56am |
re: #526 realwest
OH and btw, as I posted somewhere up thread, Walter L. Newton is having an echocardiogram this morning, hope you will all pray for him or at least send him best wishes and keep a good thought for him!
Hi RW. Walter, if you check in here, please know you're in my prayers!
| 529 |
OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:10:06am |
re: #524 Iron Fist
I'll take "B". Obama doesn't strike me as being a particularly religious man, but he did set in the pew to hear racist anti-White, anti-American filth spewed by "Rev." Wright, and he wasn't offended or, for that matter troubled to educate himself about the nature of the Church and Church doctrine where he attended for 20 years.
That's worse than Bill Clinton's "I didn't inhale" bullshit. And it stands about as much of a chance of being true as I have of being nominated to the Supreme Court.
According to much "logic" I see, Tea Party attendees are in danger of being Paulians or Nazis by association. What does this make Obama, using the same "rules"?
| 530 |
realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:10:10am |
re: #524 Iron Fist
Not only that, but in his book Obama referred to Wright as his "spiritual advisor" - something wrong with that, doncha think?
| 531 |
Ben Hur Tue, May 5, 2009 9:10:15am |
AIR FORCE ONE IS OBAMA'S LINCOLN BEDROOM.
Big donations have their perks.
| 532 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 9:10:17am |
re: #527 lawhawk
Actually, the tower records don't reflect that at all. They call it Venus 1 Heavy, not AF1.
Venus 1 Heavy is the Teleprompter's call sign.
| 533 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, May 5, 2009 9:11:00am |
re: #524 Iron Fist
I'll take "B". Obama doesn't strike me as being a particularly religious man, but he did set in the pew to hear racist anti-White, anti-American filth spewed by "Rev." Wright, and he wasn't offended or, for that matter troubled to educate himself about the nature of the Church and Church doctrine where he attended for 20 years.
That's worse than Bill Clinton's "I didn't inhale" bullshit. And it stands about as much of a chance of being true as I have of being nominated to the Supreme Court.
B is legit. The Wright stuff was one of my biggest beefs with Candidate Obama.
| 534 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 9:11:09am |
| 535 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 9:11:47am |
| 536 |
OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:11:50am |
re: #532 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Venus 1 Heavy is the Teleprompter's call sign.
Venus
Heavy
1
would have made more sense.
/
| 537 |
jcm Tue, May 5, 2009 9:11:52am |
re: #489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
USS Freedom appears to be a bad m-fing ship.
300 feet long, 52 MPH.
Shudder pirates. Shudder.
Make die with dirty underwear......
| 538 |
dwells38 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:11:58am |
re: #508 yesandno
I've never seen a troll acknowledge that they're possibly wrong. It was meant as a harmless comment. Oh well have your fun venting if you must.
I'll go put my hands around the necks of small furry animals or something.
| 539 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, May 5, 2009 9:12:33am |
re: #531 Ben Hur
Mile high club on Air Force One. Has to be a pretty elite club.
| 540 |
VegasRick Tue, May 5, 2009 9:13:10am |
| 541 |
Ben Hur Tue, May 5, 2009 9:13:22am |
re: #527 lawhawk
Actually, the tower records don't reflect that at all. They call it Venus 1 Heavy, not AF1.
I will not let your "facts," which could've easily been ordered as a cover up by Biden and his black ops boys, get in the way of my Obama flying the jet with high paying donors having a booze cruise!
| 542 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:13:33am |
re: #539 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Mile high club on Air Force One. Has to be a pretty elite club.
Not when Bill Clinton was President.
(Just kidding. Or am I? Hmm...)
| 543 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 9:13:37am |
re: #516 Ben Hur
It's only Air Force One with the President on it. Ever.
In the spirit of the last 8 years, I believe HE WAS ON THE PLANE.
Where was the teleprompter? Is it still AF1 if the teleprompter isn't there?
| 545 |
yesandno Tue, May 5, 2009 9:15:30am |
Venus 1 Heavy is the Teleprompter's call sign.
Sounds like Michelle might have been on board!
| 546 |
OldLineTexan Tue, May 5, 2009 9:16:19am |
| 547 |
jcm Tue, May 5, 2009 9:16:53am |
re: #545 yesandno
Sounds like Michelle might have been on board!
Bo, it had to have been Bo, taking the dog next door for a romantic flight.
| 548 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 9:17:24am |
re: #547 jcm
Bo, it had to have been Bo, taking the dog next door for a romantic flight.
Bo diddlin'?
| 550 |
Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 9:17:29am |
re: #500 Ben Hur
The tower used the call sign "Air Force One."
The pictures won't be released.
He was on the plane.
Discuss.
The Air Force One stunt occurred around 10:30 AM, Monday, April 27th.
At shortly after 9:00 AM on Monday, April 27th, President Obama was giving a speech at the National Academy of Science in Washington.
You can put your tin-foil hat back in the drawer.
| 551 |
realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:17:44am |
re: #537 jcm Ah crap, it was the USS Freedom mom was talking about! Do you or FBV or ANYONE have any photos or spec's on her?
| 552 |
brookly red Tue, May 5, 2009 9:18:37am |
re: #483 Kenneth
The Forgotten Element of the Fly-by
The 2 F16's which followed AF1 came from a base in Alabama. This extra distance required at least one refueling per plane, adding further to the cost. The whole shebang cost $300,000.
And we got nothing for it.
Change!
Alabama, huh? glad to know help is near-by if it is needed.
| 553 |
avanti Tue, May 5, 2009 9:19:06am |
re: #500 Ben Hur
The tower used the call sign "Air Force One."
The pictures won't be released.
He was on the plane.
Discuss.
OK, here's the discussion. You are incorrect, he was not on the plane.
| 554 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, May 5, 2009 9:19:14am |
re: #551 realwest
Ah crap, it was the USS Freedom mom was talking about! Do you or FBV or ANYONE have any photos or spec's on her?
[Link: www.ussfreedom.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 555 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, May 5, 2009 9:19:21am |
re: #483 Kenneth
The Forgotten Element of the Fly-by
The 2 F16's which followed AF1 came from a base in Alabama. This extra distance required at least one refueling per plane, adding further to the cost. The whole shebang cost $300,000.
And we got nothing for it.
Change!
The pilots and flight crews got training from these flights. When I was in the Army, as a Huey Crew Chief, that was the catch all reason for doing something that might be perceived as wasteful, but I am only half joking here.
Something that is never reported is that there are quite a number of flights taken in Government aircraft for the sole purpose of maintaining certain proficiencies. Military pilots have a number of requirements that they must fulfill in order to maintain their flight status. It is likely that the Scare Force One episode involved much more than a joyride for the crews
Bitching about the cost is a red herring for this issue, since when you account for the other factors, like the training value, the cost of the photo shoot is significantly less than the headlines would have you believe. Of greater concern is the colossal hubris of the White House that has been demonstrated throughout this whole episode. Who is reporting on that?
| 556 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:20:24am |
re: #551 realwest
Ah crap, it was the USS Freedom mom was talking about! Do you or FBV or ANYONE have any photos or spec's on her?
Here's the USS Freedom web site for ya.
| 557 |
JustABill Tue, May 5, 2009 9:23:32am |
re: #440 Charles
There we go again. There was a gremlin character in the post at the top of the thread, gumming up the works.
So the problem started when we fed the thread after midnight?
| 559 |
Kenneth Tue, May 5, 2009 9:24:54am |
If presidential terms were like visits to the dentist, Obama is still in the waiting room listening to the elevator music, with the drill yet to be turned on......Keep in mind that Obama has never really been tested. Life has been easy to him. He has achieved so much at such a tender age. He commands the American Congress and the global media. But such situations are ephemeral. The crises ahead will test him to a degree that perhaps even he himself, so thoughtful and deliberative, cannot yet imagine. And in the process we will all come to know him better.
| 560 |
realwest Tue, May 5, 2009 9:26:06am |
re: #554 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Whoa! Thank you very much BDVM!
| 561 |
Occasional Reader Tue, May 5, 2009 9:26:59am |
re: #550 Kenneth
The Air Force One stunt occurred around 10:30 AM, Monday, April 27th.
At shortly after 9:00 AM on Monday, April 27th, President Obama was giving a speech at the National Academy of Science in Washington.
And there's the proof; there's more than one "Obama".
/
| 563 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:28:14am |
re: #561 Occasional Reader
And there's the proof; there's more than one "Obama".
/
LOL! No, that's Moon Over Parador.
| 565 |
subsailor68 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:29:07am |
re: #564 Iron Fist
Hell, Clinton was probably banging reporters half a dozen at a time. His time is valuable. He might as well make the most of it (I doubt, though, that Hillary ever set foot in the Presidential quarters on AF1).
I think the only time she did was to throw an ashtray.
;-)
| 566 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, May 5, 2009 9:29:13am |
re: #561 Occasional Reader
And there's the proof; there's more than one "Obama".
/
They've cloned him? Noooooo!
/
| 567 |
JustABill Tue, May 5, 2009 9:30:13am |
re: #500 Ben Hur
The tower used the call sign "Air Force One."
The pictures won't be released.
He was on the plane.
Discuss.
Actually, the tower was mixing up that plane with the real AF-1, which at the time was a modified SR-71, that was taking Obama and George HW Bush to Iran to negotiate the release of hostages/destruction of Israel...
| 568 |
avanti Tue, May 5, 2009 9:30:30am |
re: #549 Iron Fist
Yeah, this is more of a cluster-fuck than an actual coverup.
Upding for that. The buck stops at the POTUS's desk, so he needs to find out how the photo op was authorized.
| 569 |
pittrader1988 Tue, May 5, 2009 9:41:52am |
they ought to add "economics" to this statement
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