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Experience: The wisdom that enables us to recognise in an undesirable old acquaintance the folly that we have already embraced.
— Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary
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Altermite Tue, May 12, 2009 11:22:53pm |
To array:
To arrange in an orderly fashion, as a rioter hanged on a lampost.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 11:23:39pm |
A savage beast which, when it sleeps,
Man girds at and despises,
But takes himself away by leaps
And bounds when it arises.
—Ambat Delaso
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eddie- the Aggravator Tue, May 12, 2009 11:25:13pm |
I was worried that my new mechanic might try to rip me off.
Boy, was I relieved when he told me all I needed was turn signal fluid.'
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BlueCanuck Tue, May 12, 2009 11:26:03pm |
re: #1 sngnsgt
I don't know about you, but I am feeling the same way. Almost time for bed.
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Dianna Tue, May 12, 2009 11:26:22pm |
I gifted my copy of the Devil's Dictionary to my old mentor.
It's the only gift I've ever yet regretted.
I'm sure that just means I'm greedy and not a good person.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 11:26:22pm |
The Devil's Dictionary was a newspaper weekly first collected as a book in 1906. While the book represents diabolical appetites, and derides pretense, it should be noted that Bierce generally reserved his severest ridicule for those who benefit most from the status quo. It's easy to imagine him a century later relying less on casual political incorrectness, to pay better tribute to those who couldn't overindulge enough on the prosperity that took place.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:26:28pm |
experience is a necessary thing: it enables us to recognize a previous mistake when we make it the next time.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 11:26:39pm |
re: #3 Erik The Red
A savage beast which, when it sleeps,
Man girds at and despises,
But takes himself away by leaps
And bounds when it arises.
—Ambat Delaso
Tonight on LOST... :)
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Dianna Tue, May 12, 2009 11:27:00pm |
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:28:11pm |
re: #5 BlueCanuck
I don't know about you, but I am feeling the same way. Almost time for bed.
i was gonna stay up and celebrate my actual birth time tonight, but RL got in the way and i need to be up and active first thing tomorrow.
scumbags are trying to get away with things, and i'm going to try and stop it.
(and hopefully fuck them over in the process. %-)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 11:28:26pm |
Ambrose Bierce
The sardonic view of human nature that informed his work – along with his vehemence as a critic – earned him the nickname "Bitter Bierce." Despite his reputation as a searing critic, however, Bierce was known to encourage younger writers, including poet George Sterling and fiction writer W. C. Morrow. He is known for his distinctive style of writing, which his stories often share. This includes a cold open, use of dark imagery, vague references to time, limited description, war-themed pieces and use of impossible events.
A man after my own cold heart.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 11:28:29pm |
re: #9 Walter L. Newton
Good evening Walter. I see you are/were having fun on the previous thread :)
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MrPaulRevere Tue, May 12, 2009 11:29:14pm |
I'm trying to avoid hyper ventilating, but it does seem Obama's FDA is nit picking Cheerios...FDA Blasts General Mills Over Cheerios Claim [Link: wcbstv.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 11:29:29pm |
re: #13 Erik The Red
Good evening Walter. I see you are/were having fun on the previous thread :)
Don't pity me :)
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 11:29:53pm |
DANCE, v.i. To leap about to the sound of tittering music, preferably with arms about your neighbor's wife or daughter. There are many kinds of dances, but all those requiring the participation of the two sexes have two characteristics in common: they are conspicuously innocent, and warmly loved by the vicious.
I have just found a great,new dictionary. Thanks Charles.
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BlueCanuck Tue, May 12, 2009 11:29:59pm |
re: #11 redc1c4
Knowing you, by the time you are done with them they won't have a clue what just happened. Happy hunting. :)
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:30:12pm |
re: #12 Walter L. Newton
Ambrose Bierce
The sardonic view of human nature that informed his work – along with his vehemence as a critic – earned him the nickname "Bitter Bierce." Despite his reputation as a searing critic, however, Bierce was known to encourage younger writers, including poet George Sterling and fiction writer W. C. Morrow. He is known for his distinctive style of writing, which his stories often share. This includes a cold open, use of dark imagery, vague references to time, limited description, war-themed pieces and use of impossible events.
A man after my own cold heart.
that's what you get for having a heart.
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SFGoth Tue, May 12, 2009 11:31:45pm |
Who's drinking what? I'm sucking down a 2004 Columbia Crest (WA) merlot - $6 friggin' at Safeway! You know how hard it is to find supermarket wine more than 2 years old that's not $$$. This stuff is a bit thin but well aged and for $6, gimme! It's the sitting around stuff.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:32:45pm |
i filed a request last week with the county DA's public integrity office, regarding a local proposed project. suddenly, today, it's gone from "whenever" to "we have to get it done immediately".... i smell a rat.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:34:15pm |
re: #21 SFGoth
Who's drinking what? I'm sucking down a 2004 Columbia Crest (WA) merlot - $6 friggin' at Safeway! You know how hard it is to find supermarket wine more than 2 years old that's not $$$. This stuff is a bit thin but well aged and for $6, gimme! It's the sitting around stuff.
try Trader Joes: their stuff, such as Old Moon Zin may not have a year, but it;s $5/bottle, and not thin at all, plus it's 14.5% ABV.
2 buck chuck in hand right now.
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Dianna Tue, May 12, 2009 11:34:20pm |
re: #21 SFGoth
I've had too much to drink, so I'm back to water.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 11:34:28pm |
re: #22 redc1c4
i filed a request last week with the county DA's public integrity office, regarding a local proposed project. suddenly, today, it's gone from "whenever" to "we have to get it done immediately".... i smell a rat.
You live in Ca. How can they afford any projects?
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 11:34:40pm |
MARRIAGE, n. The state or condition of a community consisting of a master, a mistress and two slaves, making in all, two.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 11:35:35pm |
Evening Lizards, I just finished working. Trying to get things done so I can take a vacation Thursday. Woot.
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Dianna Tue, May 12, 2009 11:35:54pm |
re: #25 Walter L. Newton
You live in Ca. How can they afford any projects?
We have no freakin' clue. It's got everything to do with Cal Trans.
No, we can't explain it. At least, not on a family blog.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:36:48pm |
re: #25 Walter L. Newton
You live in Ca. How can they afford any projects?
LA City: all you need is a councilman who's sat on funds for years, and who's leaving office, and some sycophants who assure him it's a great legacy....
the excuse is that this project has to be done ASAP, because otherwise the stimulus funds will push it back years......
/horseshit.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 11:37:30pm |
WINE, n. Fermented grape-juice known to the Women's Christian Union as "liquor," sometimes as "rum." Wine, madam, is God's next best gift to man
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 11:37:38pm |
re: #28 Dianna
We have no freakin' clue. It's got everything to do with Cal Trans.
No, we can't explain it. At least, not on a family blog.
Whoa, I don't drink anymore, at all, and I'm confused. I commented to redc1c4 and you answered, with apparent knowledge of the project redc1c4 was addressing, even though redc1c4 NEVER mentioned the project.
Spooky.
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Dianna Tue, May 12, 2009 11:37:43pm |
re: #27 Pvt Bin Jammin
Evening Lizards, I just finished working. Trying to get things done so I can take a vacation Thursday. Woot.
Vacation? What is this word, 'vacation'?
I had days in which I did not go into the office. However, I worked hard, anyway, and got very stressed and unhappy.
So, please define this word, 'vacation'?
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rhino2 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:39:24pm |
re: #32 Dianna
For me it consists mainly of doing as little as possible, accompanied with thinking as little as possible.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:39:38pm |
re: #32 Dianna
Vacation? What is this word, 'vacation'?
I had days in which I did not go into the office. However, I worked hard, anyway, and got very stressed and unhappy.
So, please define this word, 'vacation'?
for many years, my only vacation was my Annual Training with the Army Guard.
/how restful
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Walter L. Newton Tue, May 12, 2009 11:39:45pm |
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MrPaulRevere Tue, May 12, 2009 11:40:16pm |
I must lead a charmed life.Today on my daily morning walk I was bemoaning another bland boring work day, and then I looked down and saw a $20 bill on the side of the road.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:41:48pm |
one year i left written instructions that i was taking 12 week of vacation, and one week LOA.
w2hen i got back, they hadn't processed my vacations, so i told them "never mind", thinking that i could actually take a week off later and enjoy it.
the fuckers paid it as an extra 40 hours on the next check, and the money all went to taxes....... they said they were sorry.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 11:41:55pm |
re: #32 Dianna
Vacation? What is this word, 'vacation'?
I had days in which I did not go into the office. However, I worked hard, anyway, and got very stressed and unhappy.
So, please define this word, 'vacation'?
Well, let see, I'm getting out of town for six days, plan to see friends and family, eat, drink and be merry. I will probably have to take some office work with but not too much this time.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:42:09pm |
re: #36 Walter L. Newton
Ok, I maybe thought that redc1c4 was your male unit.
i'd ruin her for normal men. %-)
/white smoke
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, May 12, 2009 11:42:22pm |
Btw, Lubbock voters approved alchohol sales for "off-premise consumption" in Saturday's election. This means you will finally be able to buy booze in town and take it with you. Lubbock had been dry for the entire 100 years of its existence, though "by the drink" sales (bars, restaurants, and saloons) have been legal since about 1970.
7-11 managers and supermarket execs are ecstatic, while the usual suspects predict a coming age of drunkenness, debauchery, and ruin.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:43:19pm |
re: #41 Shiplord Kirel
Btw, Lubbock voters approved alchohol sales for "off-premise consumption" in Saturday's election. This means you will finally be able to buy booze in town and take it with you. Lubbock had been dry for the entire 100 years of its existence, though "by the drink" sales (bars, restaurants, and saloons) have been legal since about 1970.
7-11 managers and supermarket execs are ecstatic, while the usual suspects predict a coming age of drunkenness, debauchery, and ruin.
like you could ruin Lubbock
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MrPaulRevere Tue, May 12, 2009 11:44:04pm |
re: #32 Dianna
Vacations are great for the first day. After that my distaste for sloth kicks in and I stress out. Working is in my blood for better or worse.
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pat Tue, May 12, 2009 11:44:28pm |
It will be instructional to see how Ca. goes bankrupt. It is now losing 100,000 middle class people a year, and has been for about a decade. It is replacing them with about a million illegals, per year. Albeit many infect other locales, Ca being an easy transit point. Many criminals , many welfare. Both being the majority of of the demographics in Ca. Doctors are moving to Utah faster than hospitals can close down. Factories are running like dogs, as the Chinese used to opine. Easily the worst run State in the nation , barring Rhode Island. Obama apparently wants this to happen everywhere. Should be entertaining.
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Dianna Tue, May 12, 2009 11:44:58pm |
re: #36 Walter L. Newton
Nope. That's outlaw_wizard. Who very seldom posts, and can't be guaranteed to agree with me.
More's the pity.
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SFGoth Tue, May 12, 2009 11:45:20pm |
re: #41 Shiplord Kirel
Btw, Lubbock voters approved alchohol sales for "off-premise consumption" in Saturday's election. This means you will finally be able to buy booze in town and take it with you. Lubbock had been dry for the entire 100 years of its existence, though "by the drink" sales (bars, restaurants, and saloons) have been legal since about 1970.
7-11 managers and supermarket execs are ecstatic, while the usual suspects predict a coming age of drunkenness, debauchery, and ruin.
And people make fun of San Francisco?
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, May 12, 2009 11:45:55pm |
re: #42 redc1c4
like you could ruin Lubbock
Far be it from me to defend a place whose municipal tree is the orange traffic cone.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:45:57pm |
re: #46 Dianna
Nope. That's outlaw_wizard. Who very seldom posts, and can't be guaranteed to agree with me.
More's the pity.
posting or agreeing?
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gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 11:46:47pm |
re: #41 Shiplord Kirel
Btw, Lubbock voters approved alchohol sales for "off-premise consumption" in Saturday's election. This means you will finally be able to buy booze in town and take it with you. Lubbock had been dry for the entire 100 years of its existence, though "by the drink" sales (bars, restaurants, and saloons) have been legal since about 1970.
7-11 managers and supermarket execs are ecstatic, while the usual suspects predict a coming age of drunkenness, debauchery, and ruin.
re: #47 SFGoth
And people make fun of San Francisco?
That's because Lubbock in only 100 years behind the times.
;)
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:47:14pm |
re: #51 gmsc
That's because Lubbock in only 100 years behind the times.
;)
that's gonna leave a mark.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 11:47:35pm |
re: #45 pat
It will be instructional to see how Ca. goes bankrupt. It is now losing 100,000 middle class people a year, and has been for about a decade. It is replacing them with about a million illegals, per year. Albeit many infect other locales, Ca being an easy transit point. Many criminals , many welfare. Both being the majority of of the demographics in Ca. Doctors are moving to Utah faster than hospitals can close down. Factories are running like dogs, as the Chinese used to opine. Easily the worst run State in the nation , barring Rhode Island. Obama apparently wants this to happen everywhere. Should be entertaining.
When I tell people here that I am returning to the US 90% assume I am going to Ca. When I tell them no I am going to Fl. they all ask me why. Now I have a great, short reply. Thanks
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SFGoth Tue, May 12, 2009 11:49:05pm |
re: #45 pat
It will be instructional to see how Ca. goes bankrupt. It is now losing 100,000 middle class people a year, and has been for about a decade. It is replacing them with about a million illegals, per year. Albeit many infect other locales, Ca being an easy transit point. Many criminals , many welfare. Both being the majority of of the demographics in Ca. Doctors are moving to Utah faster than hospitals can close down. Factories are running like dogs, as the Chinese used to opine. Easily the worst run State in the nation , barring Rhode Island. Obama apparently wants this to happen everywhere. Should be entertaining.
I'd leave too, but I love San Francisco's weather and topography, and grass is easy. I also have a condo (don't worry, I way above H20 on this) and specialize in S.F. land use. I'm goin' down with this ship. Ya'll can watch me on Youtube, with a shotgun in one hand, a bong in the other, and my trust 15# tabby at my feet, blasting away at liberals and criminals tryin' ta steal what's left of this man's castle. Oh yeah, it's a lovely fuckin' war.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 11:49:09pm |
Dang, I just realized that I won't be able to go to the polls to vote against all of the California bullsh*t. I never do the absentee because I am usually working the polls.
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SFGoth Tue, May 12, 2009 11:49:34pm |
re: #51 gmsc
That's because Lubbock in only 100 years behind the times.
;)
Shit. Corsets were just about out by then.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, May 12, 2009 11:50:53pm |
re: #47 SFGoth
And people make fun of San Francisco?
Until now, if you wanted to buy a 6 pack of Coors or some other godless potion for your own evil purposes, you had to leave the city proper and go to a small area along I-27 known as "the strip." This is a subprecinct that approved liquor sales in about 1937, when there were about 30 people living there, and that status has been grandfathered in ever since. As the name suggests, it is a literal strip of liquor outlets over a mile long on the east side of the highway (the west side is, or was, mostly in a dry precinct). Rumor has it that the church-led opposition to the package sale opposition was bankrolled by the strip's various owners.
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Dianna Tue, May 12, 2009 11:51:13pm |
re: #56 SFGoth
I will go down with this ship.
I won't put my hands up and surrender.
There will be no white flag above my door.
I'm in love, and always will be....
- Dido
What the Queen of Carthage has to do with it, I don't know, but hey.
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SFGoth Tue, May 12, 2009 11:52:05pm |
re: #60 Dianna
I will go down with this ship.
I won't put my hands up and surrender.
There will be no white flag above my door.
I'm in love, and always will be....- Dido
What the Queen of Carthage has to do with it, I don't know, but hey.
LOL, that is exactly what was going through my head while I wrote my last post.
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Dianna Tue, May 12, 2009 11:53:17pm |
re: #61 SFGoth
You have my sympathies. You're dealing with Chris Daly. All I have to do is come to the City to work and watch in bemused sympathy.
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wiffersnapper Tue, May 12, 2009 11:53:23pm |
Where's this experience Obama keeps saying he has?
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Dianna Tue, May 12, 2009 11:53:47pm |
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SixDegrees Tue, May 12, 2009 11:54:20pm |
re: #41 Shiplord Kirel
Btw, Lubbock voters approved alchohol sales for "off-premise consumption" in Saturday's election. This means you will finally be able to buy booze in town and take it with you. Lubbock had been dry for the entire 100 years of its existence, though "by the drink" sales (bars, restaurants, and saloons) have been legal since about 1970.
7-11 managers and supermarket execs are ecstatic, while the usual suspects predict a coming age of drunkenness, debauchery, and ruin.
Our governor is promoting the extension of hours for bars, allowing them to close at 4:00 am instead of 2:00 am, and allowing stores to sell alcohol on Sunday beginning at 10:00 am instead of 12:00 noon. It's her solution to the state's nosediving economy.
I guess that's one way to get through a recession: encourage drunkeness.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:54:20pm |
re: #57 Pvt Bin Jammin
Dang, I just realized that I won't be able to go to the polls to vote against all of the California bullsh*t. I never do the absentee because I am usually working the polls.
are you going to be in state?
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 12, 2009 11:54:46pm |
re: #21 SFGoth
Who's drinking what? I'm sucking down a 2004 Columbia Crest (WA) merlot - $6 friggin' at Safeway! You know how hard it is to find supermarket wine more than 2 years old that's not $$$. This stuff is a bit thin but well aged and for $6, gimme! It's the sitting around stuff.
Sunday's mother's day festivities (and I use that word loosely) featured a Columbia Crest winery product that was a blend of semillion, chardonnay, and another white which I can't recall... Floral, fruity stuff, and acquired at the local Kroger for cheap, if the roommate's mother is to be believed. It doesn't say Columbia Crest on the front of the bottle, though. I wish I could remember more details. The bottle is yellow glass and the back label is yellow and one of the grapes in the blend was Semillion, that much I recall for certain.
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Erik The Red Tue, May 12, 2009 11:54:58pm |
Oh boy this is going to be fun watching this paly out in the coming days. Any bets that the bitch will resign.
Report: Aide Told Pelosi of Waterboarding Use
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was reportedly told in February 2003 by her intelligence aide, Michael Sheehy, that waterboarding was used on CIA detainee Abu Zubaydah, directly contradicting Pelosi's account that she had never been informed of the technique's use.
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gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 11:55:18pm |
re: #63 wiffersnapper
Where's this experience Obama keeps saying he has?
Believe me, in 0bama's presidency, everyday you see the quality and experience he has.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:56:34pm |
re: #68 Erik The Red
Oh boy this is going to be fun watching this paly out in the coming days. Any bets that the bitch will resign.
Report: Aide Told Pelosi of Waterboarding UseHouse Speaker Nancy Pelosi was reportedly told in February 2003 by her intelligence aide, Michael Sheehy, that waterboarding was used on CIA detainee Abu Zubaydah, directly contradicting Pelosi's account that she had never been informed of the technique's use.
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redc1c4 Tue, May 12, 2009 11:57:23pm |
re: #67 Pawn of the Oppressor
Sunday's mother's day festivities (and I use that word loosely) featured a Columbia Crest winery product that was a blend of semillion, chardonnay, and another white which I can't recall... Floral, fruity stuff, and acquired at the local Kroger for cheap, if the roommate's mother is to be believed. It doesn't say Columbia Crest on the front of the bottle, though. I wish I could remember more details. The bottle is yellow glass and the back label is yellow and one of the grapes in the blend was Semillion, that much I recall for certain.
swill stuff, eh?
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 11:57:24pm |
re: #56 SFGoth
I'd leave too, but I love San Francisco's weather and topography, and grass is easy. I also have a condo (don't worry, I way above H20 on this) and specialize in S.F. land use. I'm goin' down with this ship. Ya'll can watch me on Youtube, with a shotgun in one hand, a bong in the other, and my trust 15# tabby at my feet, blasting away at liberals and criminals tryin' ta steal what's left of this man's castle. Oh yeah, it's a lovely fuckin' war.
I'll be sticking it out on my old ship down here in So. Cal. too, though personally I would prefer to be near San Francisco too. We have our house and we pay the old, old tax rate. Got some ammo today. ;-)
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gmsc Tue, May 12, 2009 11:57:43pm |
re: #65 SixDegrees
Our governor is promoting the extension of hours for bars, allowing them to close at 4:00 am instead of 2:00 am, and allowing stores to sell alcohol on Sunday beginning at 10:00 am instead of 12:00 noon. It's her solution to the state's nosediving economy.
I guess that's one way to get through a recession: encourage drunkeness.
Unfortunately, where I live, that plan won't work. In Vegas, most bars close at 7:59 AM, and open again at 8:00 AM.
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SFGoth Tue, May 12, 2009 11:58:02pm |
re: #62 Dianna
You have my sympathies. You're dealing with Chris Daly. All I have to do is come to the City to work and watch in bemused sympathy.
Up for a drink sometime? We can (shhhhhhh...) "conspire".... Hehehehehe (cheap merlot dammit, cheap merlot. Rosebud!) Actually, I've had the distinct pleasure of having one of Jake McGoldrick's laws struck down as unconstitutional! (And, for awhile, I had the Tenderloin Housing Clinic tarred for unlawful practice of law. Ahhh well. Some victories, like great orgasms, are but fleeting.)
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MrPaulRevere Tue, May 12, 2009 11:58:57pm |
re: #68 Erik The Red
Short answer: No. She will not resign, not over this anyway.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, May 12, 2009 11:59:02pm |
re: #66 redc1c4
No, I'll be in Reno and my home town. Maybe I can drive to Tahoe or Truckee and vote on a provisional ballot. It's fun to go to either of those places anyway.
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Dianna Tue, May 12, 2009 11:59:35pm |
re: #68 Erik The Red
Oh boy this is going to be fun watching this paly out in the coming days. Any bets that the bitch will resign.
Report: Aide Told Pelosi of Waterboarding UseHouse Speaker Nancy Pelosi was reportedly told in February 2003 by her intelligence aide, Michael Sheehy, that waterboarding was used on CIA detainee Abu Zubaydah, directly contradicting Pelosi's account that she had never been informed of the technique's use.
What makes you think Nancy cares about truth? She can get re-elected any old time.
It just doesn't matter.
Until you saw "old money" San Francisco walking around with "Re-elect Willie Brown" buttons, you don't know how simply wierd SF politics can get. Oh: Hint: this was when Tom Amiano was on the run-off ballot as a run off candidate!
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, May 12, 2009 11:59:44pm |
re: #68 Erik The Red
the coming days. Any bets that the bitch will resign.
Surely you jest?
Resigning requires many preconditions such as accountability of leadership, a sense of shame, a media that does its job, and a public that actually reacts in a meaningful way to the fact that its Imperial Court is made up of a bunch of incompetent, ignorant, scatterbrained, arrogant, self-serving pigs.
Unfortunately this is American Idol Nation, and I think We The People have learned to see Congress as just another "reality TV" show, instead of something serious with real-life consequences.
Resign... That's so 20th century.
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SixDegrees Tue, May 12, 2009 11:59:48pm |
re: #68 Erik The Red
Oh boy this is going to be fun watching this paly out in the coming days. Any bets that the bitch will resign.
Report: Aide Told Pelosi of Waterboarding UseHouse Speaker Nancy Pelosi was reportedly told in February 2003 by her intelligence aide, Michael Sheehy, that waterboarding was used on CIA detainee Abu Zubaydah, directly contradicting Pelosi's account that she had never been informed of the technique's use.
Heh.
She may start feeling pressure from the White House. They're trying to hammer Schwarzeneger to rescind payroll cuts he ordered for the state's union workers in February, with a threat to cut off stimulus funding if he doesn't comply. This is an empty threat - the President has no such power, and would have to go back to Congress seeking a new bill if he want to do any such thing. With California's Pelosi in charge of the House, he faces a rough time. Look for him to embrace any opportunity to throw her under the bus.
I don't think he'll have much luck no matter who is Speaker, though. Congress has a long history of accruing power unto itself, and isn't likely to cede even the appearance of power to the Executive Branch, no matter who's in charge of it.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:00:00am |
Today in History, May 13th:
Highlights of this day in history: Pope John Paul II shot; English colonists arrive at what becomes Jamestown; Winston Churchill gives his first speech as British prime minister; The U.S. declares war on Mexico; Singer Stevie Wonder born.
Other notable May 13th events include:
1515 – Mary Tudor, Queen of France and Charles Brandon were officially married, at Greenwich.
1830 – Ecuador gains its independence from Gran Colombia.
1848 – First performance of Finland's national anthem.
1880 – In Menlo Park, New Jersey, Thomas Edison performs the first test of his electric railway.
1912 – The Royal Flying Corps (now the Royal Air Force) is established in the United Kingdom.
1913 – Igor Sikorsky becomes the first man to pilot a four-engine aircraft.
1972 – Faulty electrical wiring ignites a fire underneath the Playtown Cabaret in Osaka, Japan. Blocked exits and non-functional elevators cause 118 fatalities, with many victims leaping to their deaths.
1994 – Johnny Carson makes last television appearance on Late Night with David Letterman.
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calcajun Wed, May 13, 2009 12:00:15am |
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:00:47am |
re: #78 Pvt Bin Jammin
No, I'll be in Reno and my home town. Maybe I can drive to Tahoe or Truckee and vote on a provisional ballot. It's fun to go to either of those places anyway.
Acorn voter!
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SFGoth Wed, May 13, 2009 12:00:56am |
re: #75 gmsc
Unfortunately, where I live, that plan won't work. In Vegas, most bars close at 7:59 AM, and open again at 8:00 AM.
Getting stuck in the revolving door at 7:59 a.m. has to be the longest minute in eternity. When I was 20, I embarrassingly asked at a casino (outside L.V.) when they stopped serving alcohol. Thankfully I was not carded.
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:01:09am |
re: #76 SFGoth
Up for a drink sometime? We can (shhhhhhh...) "conspire".... Hehehehehe (cheap merlot dammit, cheap merlot. Rosebud!) Actually, I've had the distinct pleasure of having one of Jake McGoldrick's laws struck down as unconstitutional! (And, for awhile, I had the Tenderloin Housing Clinic tarred for unlawful practice of law. Ahhh well. Some victories, like great orgasms, are but fleeting.)
Any time - I generally hang out at the Occidental Cigar Bar on Fridays.
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calcajun Wed, May 13, 2009 12:01:37am |
re: #74 Pvt Bin Jammin
I'll be sticking it out on my old ship down here in So. Cal. too, though personally I would prefer to be near San Francisco too. We have our house and we pay the old, old tax rate. Got some ammo today. ;-)
I'm down here on the front lines in San Diego. It's going to be interesting to be sure.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 12:01:44am |
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, May 13, 2009 12:02:11am |
Lubbock has the largest Church of Christ congregation in the world and the second largest Baptist congregation, this in a city of fewer than 200,000 people. These groups led the charge against liquor sales for many years, with complete success until this year. The proposition was passed by 65/35, btw.
City propaganda claims a much larger population than that, but real census figures as well as such indicators as utility accounts show a slight decline since 2000. Some of these people no doubt went north or west for the weekend, without intending to move permanently, then couldn't find their way back through the ever-shifting maze of construction projects and road closures.
Lubbock's historical growth pattern is interesting. Between 1940 and 1960, it was one of the fastest growing cities in the country; from 30,000 to 128,000 in twenty years. Since then, population growth has been well below the national average and has come to a standstill in recent years.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 12:02:13am |
re: #81 redc1c4
if i wasn't already in love........ she'd do.
#10 is great.
I do not give a shit if you are an Atheist . In fact, no one gives a shit except other Atheists. Now there are some of my fellow believers who believe they can help you see the light. That said, most of us, we do not give a fuck. However, if you Atheists out there could tone down the elitist bullshit I would appreciate it. You do not believe, ok.. thanks. I will make a note of that. But guess what? If you sneeze I am wired to say, “God bless you” why? because I was taught that was a polite thing to say and I believe being polite is fucking important, more important than your pissy attitude about being blessed. So basically… fuck off.
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:02:14am |
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:02:32am |
re: #87 SFGoth
Getting stuck in the revolving door at 7:59 a.m. has to be the longest minute in eternity. When I was 20, I embarrassingly asked at a casino (outside L.V.) when they stopped serving alcohol. Thankfully I was not carded.
"When do the bars stop serving alcohol here in Las Vegas?"
"Well, a nuclear detonation on the strip would probably do it . . . ."
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 12:02:36am |
re: #21 SFGoth
Who's drinking what? I'm sucking down a 2004 Columbia Crest (WA) merlot - $6 friggin' at Safeway! You know how hard it is to find supermarket wine more than 2 years old that's not $$$. This stuff is a bit thin but well aged and for $6, gimme! It's the sitting around stuff.
Mirassou Pinot Noir, around $8 a bottle. The store keeps running out of it; I may have to stock up. A nice change from Cabernet Sauvignon, and cheap compared to it's relatives on the shelf.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, May 13, 2009 12:03:10am |
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:03:21am |
re: #87 SFGoth
Getting stuck in the revolving door at 7:59 a.m. has to be the longest minute in eternity. When I was 20, I embarrassingly asked at a casino (outside L.V.) when they stopped serving alcohol. Thankfully I was not carded.
"When do the bars stop serving alcohol here in Las Vegas?"
"When people stop paying for it."
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:04:05am |
re: #84 gmsc
Today in History, May 13th:
[Video]Highlights of this day in history: Pope John Paul II shot; English colonists arrive at what becomes Jamestown; Winston Churchill gives his first speech as British prime minister; The U.S. declares war on Mexico; Singer Stevie Wonder born.
Other notable May 13th events include:
1515 – Mary Tudor, Queen of France and Charles Brandon were officially married, at Greenwich.
1830 – Ecuador gains its independence from Gran Colombia.
1848 – First performance of Finland's national anthem.
1880 – In Menlo Park, New Jersey, Thomas Edison performs the first test of his electric railway.
1912 – The Royal Flying Corps (now the Royal Air Force) is established in the United Kingdom.
1913 – Igor Sikorsky becomes the first man to pilot a four-engine aircraft.
1959 - redc1c4 was inflicted on his parents and an unsuspecting world.
1972 – Faulty electrical wiring ignites a fire underneath the Playtown Cabaret in Osaka, Japan. Blocked exits and non-functional elevators cause 118 fatalities, with many victims leaping to their deaths.
1994 – Johnny Carson makes last television appearance on Late Night with David Letterman.
FTFY!
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SFGoth Wed, May 13, 2009 12:05:16am |
re: #80 Dianna
What makes you think Nancy cares about truth? She can get re-elected any old time.
It just doesn't matter.
Until you saw "old money" San Francisco walking around with "Re-elect Willie Brown" buttons, you don't know how simply wierd SF politics can get. Oh: Hint: this was when Tom Amiano was on the run-off ballot as a run off candidate!
No shit! The SFGOP took a load of crap from the State party when it came out in favor of *Willie Brown*. The reply to those safe pansies in O.C. (at the time) was, "shut up assholes, you won't have to live with Mayor Ammiano. We will." At least you could buy Willie Brown. It's so bad, a former mayor who was a lifelong Democrat - an Irish cop to boot - was tarred as a Republican because he fell just slightly left of center.
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freetoken Wed, May 13, 2009 12:05:23am |
Put this up in the spin-offs:
On May 2, during the latest Wisconsin GOP convention, new resolutions were adopted.
See: [Link: www.wisgop.org...]
There were a few major changes from the 2008 Resolutions (which can be found here: [Link: www.wisgop.org...] )
The big change was the addition of:
2009-10 Supporting Sound Money
Which says among other things:
"WHEREAS, we recognize the moral hazard created by the Federal Reserve and the eminent danger of a collapse in the value of our dollar;"
"WHEREAS, we also recognize that inflation equals taxation without representation;"
"BE IT RESOLVED that the Republican Party of Wisconsin, in convention assembled supports H.R. 833, the Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act, a bill to abolish the Board of Governors of the
Federal Reserve System and the Federal Reserve banks, and to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, [...]"
Paul is the sponsor of H.R. 833 .
"Sound Money" is a standard talking point of Paul and the JBS.
So go the Republicans of Wisconsin.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, May 13, 2009 12:05:44am |
re: #44 MrPaulRevere
Vacations are great for the first day. After that my distaste for sloth kicks in and I stress out. Working is in my blood for better or worse.
You want/need a lazy transfusion? I gots more than enough to spare. ;)
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:05:46am |
re: #84 gmsc
Mary Tudor was the Queen of England, unless you're thinking of her aunt? Mother of Lady Jane Grey?
"Long live Queen Jane,
Nine days to reign"?
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:06:13am |
re: #97 gmsc
"When do the bars stop serving alcohol here in Las Vegas?"
"When people stop paying for it."
people pay for drinks in vegas?
/i hate vegas, btw.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 12:06:16am |
re: #89 calcajun
I'm down here on the front lines in San Diego. It's going to be interesting to be sure.
San Diego seems wonderful, sometimes, compared to Los Angeles County.
These are going to be interesting times.
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SFGoth Wed, May 13, 2009 12:06:51am |
re: #88 Dianna
Any time - I generally hang out at the Occidental Cigar Bar on Fridays.
You are right around the corner - that's on Pine, right? I work in the Russ building. However, this Friday I am off to Frankfurt for the night. Maybe next. How's the scotch? Been awhile since I was there.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:07:06am |
re: #104 redc1c4
people pay for drinks in vegas?
/i hate vegas, btw.
Yes, they pay for drinks. It's not always direct, but believe me, you pay.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 12:07:08am |
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haakondahl Wed, May 13, 2009 12:07:13am |
re: #93 Dianna
Haak!
How are you?
Doing well, D. You? I just stumbled upon the Rev2 you sent, haven't looked yet.
/guilty shuffle
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:07:18am |
re: #99 gmsc
in about 59 mikes.....
got an early present: i was accepted into a post graduate paralegal program today, and i don;t even have a bachelors.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:08:08am |
re: #108 Erik The Red
50? Shit red thats old:)
I don't believe it will be that much longer before you add another year, Erik (Saturday's your b-day, isn't it?).
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:08:09am |
re: #108 Erik The Red
50? Shit red thats old:)
yeah, but i'm immature for my age, so that makes up for it.
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:08:19am |
re: #92 Erik The Red
I strongly approve of that sentiment, and I'm a pagan (some days, anywho).
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 12:08:32am |
re: #110 redc1c4
in about 59 mikes.....
got an early present: i was accepted into a post graduate paralegal program today, and i don;t even have a bachelors.
Congrats on getting into the program.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 12:08:44am |
re: #110 redc1c4
in about 59 mikes.....
got an early present: i was accepted into a post graduate paralegal program today, and i don;t even have a bachelors.
Woot! That is fantastic.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:09:19am |
re: #109 haakondahl
Doing well, D. You? I just stumbled upon the Rev2 you sent, haven't looked yet.
/guilty shuffle
schisse: i started reading, then closed the window and disremembered when i had PC problems....
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 12:09:20am |
re: #111 gmsc
I don't believe it will be that much longer before you add another year, Erik (Saturday's your b-day, isn't it?).
Yeah it is. I am trying to cancel it though :)
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BlueCanuck Wed, May 13, 2009 12:09:21am |
Well time to hit the rack. See you all later lizards. And Happy Birthday Red. May you be inflicted on many more years. ;)
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:10:02am |
re: #115 Erik The Red
Congrats on getting into the program.
just as long as no one expects me to get *with* the program....... %-)
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MrPaulRevere Wed, May 13, 2009 12:10:08am |
re: #102 FurryOldGuyJeans
I try man, really I do, to get into a groove where I do next to nothing on vacation. It just doesn't work. I accumulate so much vacation time they make me take it. Luckily I can sell back sick days so I do, 100% of them. I guess I'm a throwback.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 12:10:37am |
re: #120 BlueCanuck
Goodnight, Blue. Good to see you.
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:11:33am |
re: #109 haakondahl
Doing well, D. You? I just stumbled upon the Rev2 you sent, haven't looked yet.
/guilty shuffle
Well, get on with it!
/////
Sorry - I don't mean to be difficult. But comments would be appreciated.
BTW, don't worry about the various typos. I've caught them. With deep embarrassment.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:11:43am |
re: #103 Dianna
Mary Tudor was the Queen of England, unless you're thinking of her aunt? Mother of Lady Jane Grey?
"Long live Queen Jane,
Nine days to reign"?
No – the Mary Tudor that was Queen of England was Mary Tudor, Queen of France's niece, and didn't marry Charles Brandon.
It was Mary Tudor, Queen of France who married Charles Brandon on this day.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, May 13, 2009 12:11:45am |
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:12:06am |
re: #118 redc1c4
schisse: i started reading, then closed the window and disremembered when i had PC problems....
Excuse me? Does this translate as "squick"?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, May 13, 2009 12:13:59am |
re: #122 MrPaulRevere
I try man, really I do, to get into a groove where I do next to nothing on vacation. It just doesn't work. I accumulate so much vacation time they make me take it. Luckily I can sell back sick days so I do, 100% of them. I guess I'm a throwback.
I used to be gung ho like you. Only took being hit by a car to quickly abuse me of that fetish.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:14:04am |
re: #101 freetoken
Put this up in the spin-offs:
On May 2, during the latest Wisconsin GOP convention, new resolutions were adopted.
See: [Link: www.wisgop.org...]There were a few major changes from the 2008 Resolutions (which can be found here: [Link: www.wisgop.org...] )
The big change was the addition of:
2009-10 Supporting Sound Money
Which says among other things:
"WHEREAS, we recognize the moral hazard created by the Federal Reserve and the eminent danger of a collapse in the value of our dollar;"
"WHEREAS, we also recognize that inflation equals taxation without representation;"
"BE IT RESOLVED that the Republican Party of Wisconsin, in convention assembled supports H.R. 833, the Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act, a bill to abolish the Board of Governors of the
Federal Reserve System and the Federal Reserve banks, and to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, [...]"Paul is the sponsor of H.R. 833 .
"Sound Money" is a standard talking point of Paul and the JBS.
So go the Republicans of Wisconsin.
i got a call at the house today from the Rep Natl Senate Comm.....
they wanted to know what i thought was the biggest threat from Ear Leader's Congress.
she wasn't happy when i said "RINOS who keep reaching across the aisle and spending money like drunken sailors."
it went down hill from there, and ended with me telling her that there was no money at this household for them until after they started acting like Republicans again.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 12:14:09am |
re: #122 MrPaulRevere
I try man, really I do, to get into a groove where I do next to nothing on vacation. It just doesn't work. I accumulate so much vacation time they make me take it. Luckily I can sell back sick days so I do, 100% of them. I guess I'm a throwback.
You sound just like my husband. He hardly ever takes a vacation and when he does he doesn't know how to act. LOL Our daughter paid for all of us to go on a cruise to Alaska last summer so he was finally stuck.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:15:27am |
re: #129 Dianna
Excuse me? Does this translate as "squick"?
no. it means i started reading your story, ran into some RL issues with my PC, and completely forgot about reading/sharing it until just now....
mea culpa.
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:15:45am |
re: #127 gmsc
I had a bad moment. Probably due to too much wine. My apologies.
I noted, 1515, and somehow transposed, and utterly blanked. Since, as I recall, Mary I didn't marry until what, 1553? No, I didn't google for that. I'm guessing.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:16:01am |
You have to love it when environmentalist celebrities are hoisted by their own petard:
Oprah to Planet Earth: Drop Dead
The Richest and Most Fascinating Person Who Has Ever Lived gave the commencement address at Duke University’s graduation on Sunday. Here’s what she told America’s future about being successful in life, courtesy of the Wall Street Journal:
“It’s great to have a nice home. It’s great to have nice homes! It’s great to have a nice home that just escaped the fire in Santa Barbara,” she told the students. “It’s great to have a private jet. Anyone that tells you that having your own private jet isn’t great is lying to you.”
This would seem to be self-evident. Who wouldn’t want their own jet? Nobody, that’s who. Nobody doesn’t want their own jet.Now, a lot of people don’t want anybody else to have private jets. They don’t want other people to drive nice cars, live in nice homes, eat at expensive restaurants, or otherwise enjoy the fruits of their success. They want other people to feel guilty about it. They want other people to limit their consumption in order to “save the planet.”
If the GOP was smart, they'd add a clause making private jet ownership illegal to every environmentally-related bill the Dems try and push through.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:17:16am |
re: #134 Dianna
I had a bad moment. Probably due to too much wine. My apologies.
I noted, 1515, and somehow transposed, and utterly blanked. Since, as I recall, Mary I didn't marry until what, 1553? No, I didn't google for that. I'm guessing.
No apologies.
If you're having too much wine, wouldn't you be having a good moment?
;)
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, May 13, 2009 12:17:50am |
Harry Turtledove apparently doesn't like Lubbock either. Much of the action in his Great War series (set in a world where the Confederacy won the Civil War) actually takes place in Lubbock.
*SPOILERS*
In the 1930s, Lubbock is the capital of the new state of Houston, formed out of west Texas land taken by the United States after the Confederacy was defeated in the Great War (World War I in the real universe).
The city is infested with Confederate sympathizers and terrorists, however, and this leads to an uprising instigated by a Hitler style maniac who has siezed power in the defeated Confederacy.
Turtledove obviously did his homework on Lubbock in the 30s and was apparently here in person at some point. Somebody must have really annoyed him him, because he includes such charming details as General McArthur rolling tanks down Broadway and using cannister shot and machine guns to disperse rioting mobs of pro-Confederate Lubbockites. Before it is over, the Army Air Corps firebombs the downtown area.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:18:09am |
re: #135 gmsc
You have to love it when environmentalist celebrities are hoisted by their own petard:
Oprah to Planet Earth: Drop Dead
If the GOP was smart, they'd add a clause making private jet ownership illegal to every environmentally-related bill the Dems try and push through.
as i often tell the overly concerned: "I have no children. This planet only has to last long enough for me." %-)
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:18:34am |
re: #136 gmsc
No apologies.
If you're having too much wine, wouldn't you be having a good moment?
;)
Not after the last two weeks. This is just blowing off stress.
Heck, I'm just staying up way too late for that, too!
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freetoken Wed, May 13, 2009 12:19:35am |
re: #131 redc1c4
i got a call at the house today from the Rep Natl Senate Comm.....
I think you mean "Steering Committee"... no?
Anyway, it seems to me that there is a growing disconnect between the GOP leadership and the grass-root activists. I don't presume to know where all of this is heading... but I posted the Wis GOP Paulification stuff because it would be, IMO, a bad thing for his beliefs to become dominant in the GOP.
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:20:21am |
re: #137 Shiplord Kirel
I'd write and ask - I think Turtledove is one of the authors who answers pretty much all of his email.
I haven't a clue; I've never liked him enough to follow the various series.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:21:44am |
re: #138 redc1c4
as i often tell the overly concerned: "I have no children. This planet only has to last long enough for me." %-)
Favorited and updinged! I'm going to start using that!
Up until now, I've been using:
"What about your children? Don't you want to leave them a healthy Earth?"
"Well, if 0bama gets re-elected in 2012, I'm planning to shoot them before I kill myself anyway . . ."
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 12:22:06am |
re: #141 Dianna
I haven't been on lgf that much tonight, and you don't have to tell me anything, but did something happen with your mom?
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:22:09am |
re: #143 gmsc
Favorited and updinged! I'm going to start using that!
Up until now, I've been using:
"What about your children? Don't you want to leave them a healthy Earth?"
"Well, if 0bama gets re-elected in 2012, I'm planning to shoot them before I kill myself anyway . . ."
Clarification: I have no children in real life.
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MrPaulRevere Wed, May 13, 2009 12:22:24am |
re: #132 Pvt Bin Jammin
I associate work with survival. Fortunately I have saved and have a nice house and I'm far removed from the 'one paycheck away from the street' syndrome the left loves to hyperventilate about. But I still associate work with a roof and a meal.
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:22:28am |
re: #140 freetoken
To say nothing of idiotic.
"Sound money" is a joke. Money is mostly imaginary anyway, and became entirely disconnected from any tangible object by (at the most optimistic assessment) the mid-1970's. So far as I can tell.
What's important is controlling inflation.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:22:53am |
re: #120 BlueCanuck
Well time to hit the rack. See you all later lizards. And Happy Birthday Red. May you be inflicted on many more years. ;)
G'Nite, Blue!
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:23:32am |
re: #140 freetoken
I think you mean "Steering Committee"... no?
Anyway, it seems to me that there is a growing disconnect between the GOP leadership and the grass-root activists. I don't presume to know where all of this is heading... but I posted the Wis GOP Paulification stuff because it would be, IMO, a bad thing for his beliefs to become dominant in the GOP.
could be.... she kept trying to get back to her script, and, evil shit that i am, i wouldn't let her. i asked her why a Republican Senate would be an improvement, when they wasted a perfectly good majority compromising and spending money hand over fist instead of doing what they should have, like sealing the borders, reducing the size of government, appointing judges, reforming taxes etc..... i also told her i didn;t give a damn about gay marriage or whether or not the 10 commandments was in the court house, but i sure as hell didn't want intelligent design in my schools.
/not that it did any good.
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:24:05am |
re: #144 Pvt Bin Jammin
I haven't been on lgf that much tonight, and you don't have to tell me anything, but did something happen with your mom?
She is physically fine. I can't discuss the rest of it on a public forum. Suffice to say that things have been better, and I'm seriously unhappy and distressed on her behalf.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:26:01am |
re: #150 Dianna
She is physically fine. I can't discuss the rest of it on a public forum. Suffice to say that things have been better, and I'm seriously unhappy and distressed on her behalf.
{ { { { Dianna } } } }
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:26:46am |
re: #150 Dianna
She is physically fine. I can't discuss the rest of it on a public forum. Suffice to say that things have been better, and I'm seriously unhappy and distressed on her behalf.
well, if things can get better, here's hoping they do.
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Opilio Wed, May 13, 2009 12:29:47am |
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Dianna Wed, May 13, 2009 12:29:55am |
Anyway, it's very late for me, so I'm heading for bed.
Goodnight!
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freetoken Wed, May 13, 2009 12:30:02am |
re: #149 redc1c4
There is a "Republican Senate Steering Committee", I believe, headed by Jim DeMint:
[Link: demint.senate.gov...]
They say they're a caucus of conservative senators...
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:32:50am |
re: #156 freetoken
There is a "Republican Senate Steering Committee", I believe, headed by Jim DeMint:
[Link: demint.senate.gov...]
They say they're a caucus of conservative senators...
i didn't know there were any of those left......
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pat Wed, May 13, 2009 12:33:45am |
OT. As a Mac Head using a PC tonight, I must say that Safari is just a piece of crap. Like I Tunes, it sucks the entire processing power of the computer while delivering results that are 10 times slower than they should be. And the reprocessing is ridiculous. Once infected, my system goes into a rat race. So it must be turned off and I need to kill the bat.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 12:34:29am |
re: #146 MrPaulRevere
I completely get it. My hubby and I are self-employed. He was dirt poor when he was young. He had to move a lot when he was a kid so he never wanted that for us. We have our home and a shack in the desert. Our savings is pretty much no more since he has had five surgeries in five years but the sad part is that back when we were really making it in our business he would just never go on vacation. I guess it's because he knew that while the cat was away the mice would play and they did. I remember one time we just went to the Queen Mary (not far away) for a three and didn't even get twelve hours of "vacation". Had to come home 11 hours after we left.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:35:23am |
re: #154 Opilio
In which life do you have children?
Second life. Well, I did before the pinking happened.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:36:14am |
re: #155 Dianna
Anyway, it's very late for me, so I'm heading for bed.
Goodnight!
G'Nite, Dianna! Take care of your mom, and give her our best thoughts.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 12:36:23am |
RESPONSIBILITY, n. A detachable burden easily shifted to the shoulders of God, Fate, Fortune, Luck or one's neighbor. In the days of astrology it was customary to unload it upon a star.
Alas, things ain't what we should see
If Eve had let that apple be;
And many a feller which had ought
To set with monarchses of thought,
Or play some rosy little game
With battle-chaps on fields of fame,
Is downed by his unlucky star
And hollers: "Peanuts! — here you are!"
—"The Sturdy Beggar"
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 12:37:46am |
re: #150 Dianna
She is physically fine. I can't discuss the rest of it on a public forum. Suffice to say that things have been better, and I'm seriously unhappy and distressed on her behalf.
Take care {Diana}, and bless your mom.
My daughter works with the DA as an advocate to seniors so I will light up my e-mail for a couple of minutes just in case.
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MrPaulRevere Wed, May 13, 2009 12:38:40am |
re: #159 Pvt Bin Jammin
Very perceptive...Make hay while the sun shines, as you never know whats around the corner. I hope all is well with the hubby, medical problems suck.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:40:15am |
re: #164 MrPaulRevere
Very perceptive...Make hay while the sun shines, as you never know whats around the corner. I hope all is well with the hubby, medical problems suck.
i demand a hay subsidy!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 12:44:03am |
re: #164 MrPaulRevere
He just had surgery on the cervical spine one month ago. All the rest were brain surgeries. He keeps a good spirit about it all and I think you have too. Thank the Lord that we have a wonderful employee right now who takes good care of him while they are out there doing the jobs.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:44:52am |
re: #166 Pvt Bin Jammin
He just had surgery on the cervical spine one month ago. All the rest were brain surgeries. He keeps a good spirit about it all and I think you have too. Thank the Lord that we have a wonderful employee right now who takes good care of him while they are out there doing the jobs.
brain surgery? i thought you said he was a Marine?
/white smoke
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 12:45:57am |
INTIMACY, n. A relation into which fools are providentially drawn for their mutual destruction.
Two Seidlitz powders, one in blue
And one in white, together drew
And having each a pleasant sense
Of t'other powder's excellence,
Forsook their jackets for the snug
Enjoyment of a common mug.
So close their intimacy grew
One paper would have held the two.
To confidences straight they fell,
Less anxious each to hear than tell;
Then each remorsefully confessed
To all the virtues he possessed,
Acknowledging he had them in
So high degree it was a sin.
The more they said, the more they felt
Their spirits with emotion melt,
Till tears of sentiment expressed
Their feelings. Then they effervesced!
So Nature executes her feats
Of wrath on friends and sympathetes
The good old rule who don't apply,
That you are you and I am I.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 12:47:37am |
IDIOT, n. A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling. The Idiot's activity is not confined to any special field of thought or action, but "pervades and regulates the whole." He has the last word in everything; his decision is unappealable. He sets the fashions and opinion of taste, dictates the limitations of speech and circumscribes conduct with a dead-line.
Sounds just like a description of 44.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:48:47am |
Does this sound like a space agency that has its shuttle together?
The Atlantis astronauts will spend Tuesday examining the shuttle with cameras looking for any dings or nicks or holes caused by flying debris during the launching. The shuttle Columbia was doomed in 2003 because a hunk of insulating foam broke off the external fuel tank and damaged the tiles that protected the spacecraft from the searing heat of re-entering the atmosphere.
The astronauts carry a tool kit for fixing small holes or cracks in the fragile tiles. If there is something they cannot fix, they will hunker down and await the shuttle Endeavour, which is sitting on another launching pad, ready to blast off with a four-man crew and retrieve the Atlantis astronauts from danger.
“The sad thing is if we get to orbit and see something bad and get waved off and don’t get to fix Hubble,” Dr. Grunsfeld said. “That would be the saddest.”
Among other things, Endeavour would have to bring a spacesuit for Commander Altman, who takes an extra-large that is not stocked on Atlantis. The two most experienced spacewalkers on Atlantis, Dr. Grunsfeld and Dr. Massimino, would then escort their shipmates along a rope to the Endeavour in a two-day dance of swapping spacesuits that would include a sleepover for Dr. Grunsfeld on the Endeavour.
So:
1) if they find cracked tiles and have to be rescued by Endeavour, their mission plan does not allow for them to proceed with their Hubble repair even while they're just sitting around waiting for their ride to show up;
2) The Columbia disaster has apparently not resulted in enough engineering changes that they can be sure the tiles are trustworthy, leaving their only recourse a visual inspection from space and an "Okay, let's try it again" rescue by another shuttle using exactly the same launch procedures and subject to exactly the same risks;
3) The mission commander, whom they voluntarily chose for the mission, is such a big guy they have to stock a special non-interchangeable spacesuit for him, necessitating a God-knows-how-many-million-dollar spacewalk to swap suits should the rescue attempt become necessary.
Didn't they used to think these things through at NASA?
UPDATE: Lovely.
My response: The age of thinking things through is over! Now, we're in the age of 0bama!
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Fenway_Nation Wed, May 13, 2009 12:49:34am |
Mornin', lizards....just got back from the Red Sox/Angels game tonight. Even with all the Angels fans leaving early after their bullpen coughed up a 3-1 lead, it still took forever to get out of there......
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eddie- the Aggravator Wed, May 13, 2009 12:49:42am |
re: #40 redc1c4
White smoke?
That's Willie Pete and it can't be used against humans any more. You know....not politically correct.
It's use is restricted to marking targets so's the cannon cockers can adjust fire and/or the fast movers can locate a target for their JADAMS.
Aint' war hell?
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Spiritualized Wed, May 13, 2009 12:51:18am |
Outrageous video of Carrie Prejean!
Miss California modeled lingerie for E
(Outrageous because it's only one minute long)
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Fenway_Nation Wed, May 13, 2009 12:53:00am |
It's been awhile since I posted my overseas market/precious metals spot price updates....only part of which I can blame on some part-time/temporary work.
It's also a little depressing, too.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 12:53:57am |
re: #175 Spiritualized
Outrageous video of Carrie Prejean!
Miss California modeled lingerie for E
(Outrageous because it's only one minute long)
$100,000 to the first person who reads 0bama Carrie Prejean's quotes about gays, and then asks if he agrees or disagrees.
/Offer void everywhere
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:54:13am |
re: #174 eddie- the Aggravator
White smoke?
That's Willie Pete and it can't be used against humans any more. You know....not politically correct.
It's use is restricted to marking targets so's the cannon cockers can adjust fire and/or the fast movers can locate a target for their JADAMS.
Aint' war hell?
HC white......
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 12:55:25am |
re: #177 gmsc
$100,000 stimulus to the first person who reads 0bama Carrie Prejean's quotes about gays, and then asks if he agrees or disagrees.
/Offer void everywhere
FTFY!
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Fenway_Nation Wed, May 13, 2009 12:56:19am |
re: #175 Spiritualized
*Sigh*
I never did get to see Ms-Teen-[insert name of city here]-12th-runner-up in lingerie.
Daisy-Dukes and a bikini top.....but no lingerie.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 1:03:16am |
WP smoke rounds impacting in Gaza..... definitely *not* the same thing as a good old fashioned air burst WP round.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 1:04:13am |
fuck me: i'm 50....
how the hell did *that* happen.
just the other day i was young and had a future. today i'm broken down and more or less doomed.
what a stupid design.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, May 13, 2009 1:04:20am |
And while not as gratifying as Carrie Prejean in lingerie or Miss-Teen-[insert name of city here]-12th-runner-up (who's now Miss-Late-Twenty-or-Early-Thirty-Something-12th-Runner-up) in Daisy Dukes and a bikini top, I got to watch/listen to yet another Boston sports trifecta unfold tonight.
3 for 3....not bad- especially when two of those are Do-or-die playoff runs.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 1:05:41am |
I'd better "hit the hay". Lote to do tomorrow. If I don't see you tomorrow will see you next Wednesday or Thursday.
Don't forge that Saturday is Armed Forces Day, support the troops. I will be.
[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 1:06:58am |
re: #185 Pvt Bin Jammin
I'd better "hit the hay". Lote to do tomorrow. If I don't see you tomorrow will see you next Wednesday or Thursday.
Don't forge that Saturday is Armed Forces Day, support the troops. I will be.
[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]
travel safe......
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, May 13, 2009 1:07:50am |
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 1:10:27am |
re: #188 Pvt Bin Jammin
Thanks, Red.
Have a Happy Birthday!
butt kicking by day, and tri-tip for dinner.....
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 1:11:09am |
no cake, so this will have to do for candles....
never manage to blow those out. %-)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, May 13, 2009 1:15:49am |
re: #183 redc1c4
fuck me: i'm 50....
how the hell did *that* happen.
just the other day i was young and had a future. today i'm broken down and more or less doomed.
what a stupid design.
Time to start checking for your expiration date on the bottom of your foot. ;)
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 1:15:57am |
re: #183 redc1c4
fuck me: i'm 50....
how the hell did *that* happen.
just the other day i was young and had a future. today i'm broken down and more or less doomed.
what a stupid design.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY red.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 1:17:01am |
re: #191 FurryOldGuyJeans
Time to start checking for your expiration date on the bottom of your foot. ;)
i burned the crap out of them as a kid on fresh asphalt..... it's likely gone.
besides: alcohol is a preservative!
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Fenway_Nation Wed, May 13, 2009 1:18:04am |
So the Raleigh/Durham News & Observer's Carolina Hurricanes beat-writer is one Luke DeCock?
Didn't he replace Stephen VanGina?
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Fenway_Nation Wed, May 13, 2009 1:19:08am |
re: #193 redc1c4
i burned the crap out of them as a kid on fresh asphalt..... it's likely gone.
Learning to drive with the Flintstone's car I take it?
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IslandLibertarian Wed, May 13, 2009 1:20:53am |
re: #63 wiffersnapper
Where's this experience Obama keeps saying he has?
Way late to the thread, but the answer is:
"0"s (pronounced zero) only executive experience is working with William Ayers giving away (wasting) other peoples money (over $100 million) to FAILED socialistic educational programs. Giving away large amounts of other peoples money is all he knows how to do.
He's a fucking thief!
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 1:21:37am |
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 1:22:05am |
re: #195 Fenway_Nation
Learning to drive with the Flintstone's car I take it?
i was slowly learning that blindly obeying all the rules you've been taught, regardless of the circumstances, can be bad.....
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 1:23:24am |
re: #196 IslandLibertarian
Way late to the thread, but the answer is:
"0"s (pronounced zero) only executive experience is working with William Ayers giving away (wasting) other peoples money (over $100 million) to FAILED socialistic educational programs. Giving away large amounts of other peoples money is all he knows how to do.He's a fucking thief!
pronounced: "politician"
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:23am |
re: #172 gmsc
(stuff)
That's some ignorant shit right there.
1) if they find cracked tiles and have to be rescued by Endeavour, their mission plan does not allow for them to proceed with their Hubble repair even while they're just sitting around waiting for their ride to show up
Um, no, because they have a limited supply of consumables and Endeavour might not be ready to go immediately for any number of reasons. Besides which, getting ready to abandon a Space Shuttle and transfer across to another ship requires the same kind of preparations as going outside to Hubble.
And then there's the fact that they're still thousands of miles behind Hubble when they're doing the tile survey.
2) The Columbia disaster has apparently not resulted in enough engineering changes that they can be sure the tiles are trustworthy, leaving their only recourse a visual inspection from space and an "Okay, let's try it again" rescue by another shuttle using exactly the same launch procedures and subject to exactly the same risks;
Yeah, go ahead and re-engineer the entire Space Shuttle thermal protection system. We'll wait.
3) The mission commander, whom they voluntarily chose for the mission, is such a big guy they have to stock a special non-interchangeable spacesuit for him, necessitating a God-knows-how-many-million-dollar spacewalk to swap suits should the rescue attempt become necessary.
Go ahead then, find another guy for the job. Oh what, there are only a couple of qualified people with experience flying to Hubble, and those other people are probably busy doing other things on their schedule that was worked out years in advance? Whoops.
Didn't they used to think these things through at NASA?
Apparently they're so dumb that an idiot on the internet can correct all their problems without access to a budget of billions and tens of thousands of skilled technical employees. Gosh, if only they'd read this guy's post! It's so obvious!
/
FAIL.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:34am |
Somewhere in Chicago, a precinct is missing one of it's corrupt politicians.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, May 13, 2009 1:24:53am |
re: #196 IslandLibertarian
Way late to the thread, but the answer is:
"0"s (pronounced zero) only executive experience is working with William Ayers giving away (wasting) other peoples money (over $100 million) to FAILED socialistic educational programs. Giving away large amounts of other peoples money is all he knows how to do.He's a fucking thief!
62+ million people wanted to get screwed.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, May 13, 2009 1:25:05am |
re: #183 redc1c4
fuck me: i'm 50....
how the hell did *that* happen.
just the other day i was young and had a future. today i'm broken down and more or less doomed.
what a stupid design.
I've got eight more on you, and the design is holding up (with a few aches and pains) despite the damage I inflicted on myself, physically, chemically and mentally.
Happy happy.......old age ain't so bad if you consider the alternative.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, May 13, 2009 1:30:33am |
Well, lizards...still feelin' a little giddy....I'm not sure how much of that is the overlapping good fortune of three of Boston's legendary teams winning in one night and how much of that is the pineapple screwdrivers I prepped after getting back, but I do have to be at work in about just under 7 hours.
'Weet dreams, honcos....enjoy the fruitcup....altho' it would be difficult to top this week's space-age fruitcup.
G'nite
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IslandLibertarian Wed, May 13, 2009 1:36:19am |
So, will anyone complain that the Speaker of the House is a liar?
Or are we still ragging on conservatives?
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 1:38:36am |
Infrared photo of the yesterday's Atlantis launch
Great photo.
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 1:39:10am |
re: #205 Fenway_Nation
Well, lizards...still feelin' a little giddy....I'm not sure how much of that is the overlapping good fortune of three of Boston's legendary teams winning in one night and how much of that is the pineapple screwdrivers I prepped after getting back, but I do have to be at work in about just under 7 hours.
'Weet dreams, honcos....enjoy the fruitcup....altho' it would be difficult to top this week's space-age fruitcup.
G'nite
G'nite, Fenway!
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IslandLibertarian Wed, May 13, 2009 1:39:58am |
Murtha (pronounced THIEF)
So, will anyone complain that the Murtha is a thief?
Or are we still ragging on conservatives?
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 1:40:20am |
re: #206 IslandLibertarian
So, will anyone complain that the Speaker of the House is a liar?
Or are we still ragging on conservatives?
The press seems to be taking at least a mild interest in this story. It's getting too hard for them to ignore. Although they're still burying it at the bottom of the news cycle.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, May 13, 2009 1:43:23am |
I remember LGF bringing down Rather.
Sure, let's expose ID's and Paulians,
but the most dangerous LIARS and THIEVES
are not even mentioned here anymore.
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Fenway_Nation Wed, May 13, 2009 1:44:44am |
/40 year old John Deere tractor putters around the corner as Fenway completes the world's slowest driveby...
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 1:45:18am |
re: #206 IslandLibertarian
So, will anyone complain that the Speaker of the House is a liar?
Or are we still ragging on conservatives?
re: #209 IslandLibertarian
Murtha (pronounced THIEF)
So, will anyone complain that the Murtha is a thief?
Or are we still ragging on conservatives?
Yes! Let's get rid of Murtha and Pelosi! They could be defeated in elections by GOP candidates such as . . .
such as . . .
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 1:46:26am |
re: #212 Fenway_Nation
/40 year old John Deere tractor putters around the corner as Fenway completes the world's slowest driveby...
I had a girlfriend once who left me for a tractor salesman.
She didn't break up with me face-to-face. She wrote me a John Deere letter.
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FamHistoryGuy Wed, May 13, 2009 1:47:21am |
re: #59 Shiplord Kirel
Texas has a long history of Baptists and bootleggers voting dry.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, May 13, 2009 1:47:27am |
re: #212 Fenway_Nation
/40 year old John Deere tractor putters around the corner as Fenway completes the world's slowest driveby...
...as he steadies the muzzle loader on his forearm, his prey coughs and hacks from the exhaust from the aged machine........
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Fenway_Nation Wed, May 13, 2009 1:48:41am |
re: #213 gmsc
Yes! Let's get rid of Murtha and Pelosi! They could be defeated in elections by GOP candidates such as . . .
such as . . .
I'd settle for a blue-dog Democrat who wouldn't be so eager to throw our servicemen or intelligence operatives under the bus, gmsc.
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BatGuano Wed, May 13, 2009 1:49:10am |
Good morning everyone. I think I made up an original joke a few days ago. I just can't decide if it's funny. Here goes:
Did you here about the dyslexic woman who broke up with her tractor?
She sent it a John Dear letter.
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IslandLibertarian Wed, May 13, 2009 1:51:20am |
re: #213 gmsc
With enough exposure of their lies and thievery, their defeat would be easier.
Or, well, I guess our side just isn't up to it, so, let it go, relax, have a SOMA.............................mmmmmmm.......donuts........
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TheMatrix31 Wed, May 13, 2009 1:51:37am |
re: #214 gmsc
I had a girlfriend once who left me for a tractor salesman.
She didn't break up with me face-to-face. She wrote me a John Deere letter.
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BatGuano Wed, May 13, 2009 1:52:35am |
re: #214 gmsc
OH. Ise my joke wasn't original. Thanks, gmsc! :)
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 1:52:40am |
re: #214 gmsc
I had a girlfriend once who left me for a tractor salesman.
She didn't break up with me face-to-face. She wrote me a John Deere letter.
re: #218 BatGuano
Good morning everyone. I think I made up an original joke a few days ago. I just can't decide if it's funny. Here goes:
Did you here about the dyslexic woman who broke up with her tractor?
She sent it a John Dear letter.
The John Deere letter joke has been going around for years. I remember first hearing on TV as a kid.
Your set-up is original, though.
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BatGuano Wed, May 13, 2009 1:55:23am |
re: #222 BatGuano
Preview is my friend only if I actually read it. It should have read "Oh, I see".
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 1:56:39am |
re: #224 BatGuano
Preview is my friend only if I actually read it. It should have read "Oh, I see".
I figured that.
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BatGuano Wed, May 13, 2009 1:59:37am |
I'm so screwed up today I thought I'd missed it! I shouldn't work late.
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 2:00:18am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------->
Help yourselves!
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 2:01:00am |
re: #229 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------->
Help yourselves!
Good morning, littleoldlady!
Yummy – thanks.
How was your Mother's Day?
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 2:01:26am |
re: #230 littleoldlady
gmsc! :-)
WHERE have you BEEN?!
Busy work week – I haven't been able to stay up long enough for fruitcup!
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UncleRancher Wed, May 13, 2009 2:01:53am |
littleoldlady! :-)
How delightful! Thanks for the fruitcup!
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 2:02:48am |
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BatGuano Wed, May 13, 2009 2:02:54am |
re: #229 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------->
Help yourselves!
Thank you littleoldlady!
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TheMatrix31 Wed, May 13, 2009 2:03:15am |
re: #229 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------->
Help yourselves!
Good morning!
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 2:06:43am |
re: #234 littleoldlady
Mother's Day?
May 10th? Oops.
I tried to make it special for my mom. I bought her some earrings she's had her eye on.
I also found a way to bring back a memory from long ago, with help from YouTube. She liked that, too.
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UncleRancher Wed, May 13, 2009 2:07:27am |
I see a news story lined up on the front page about how we are now un-funding maintenance of the nuclear arsenal. How do you feel about that?
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 2:08:14am |
re: #229 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------------------->
Help yourselves!
{lol} Good Morning
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 2:09:43am |
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 2:10:27am |
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gmsc Wed, May 13, 2009 2:12:15am |
re: #243 littleoldlady
You're a nize boy! :-)
/and I'm having a deja vu... :-/
Oh, did I already share this?
See how busy and confused I've gotten without fruitcup!
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 2:16:35am |
gmsc! :-)
You may have.
But sometimes a cigar deja vu is just a deja vu. ;-)
/too tired and lazy to look up the proper html for that...
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UncleRancher Wed, May 13, 2009 2:21:59am |
A friend sent this link along recently. Misgivings about the left have been around for a long time.
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freetoken Wed, May 13, 2009 2:24:30am |
re: #250 UncleRancher
Ummm... in those days, the Republicans were the progressives, and the Democrats were the conservatives....
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UncleRancher Wed, May 13, 2009 2:25:44am |
re: #251 freetoken
Ummm... in those days, the Republicans were the progressives, and the Democrats were the conservatives....
That's too far back for me to remember.
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TheMatrix31 Wed, May 13, 2009 2:34:12am |
re: #239 littleoldlady
Matrix! :-)
I'm really sick of these worthless assignments these professors are having me do. I thought I was at UCLA?
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 2:37:27am |
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TheMatrix31 Wed, May 13, 2009 2:39:03am |
re: #254 littleoldlady
I don't blame you.
/I also have NO advice for you. :-(
I have to read some passages, and do a "reading critique", which is basically like a book report. Although, I did the first one a couple weeks ago and got a "check minus" on it, as if I'm in kindergarten!
Huge waste of time, lol.
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 2:44:51am |
Furthermore...I'm disgusted with the system as well. My kid is a marketing major, and between the "college" requirements and the B-school requirements...she has only managed to take ONE marketing course in two years. And the program is so heavily weighted with math (i.e. torture to her) I'm afraid she's going to quit before she's done. (Or lose her scholarship, which amounts to the same outcome.)
They fix it so you need an advanced degree to actually learn anything in your chosen subject.
/grrrr!
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TheMatrix31 Wed, May 13, 2009 2:49:39am |
re: #256 littleoldlady
Furthermore...I'm disgusted with the system as well. My kid is a marketing major, and between the "college" requirements and the B-school requirements...she has only managed to take ONE marketing course in two years. And the program is so heavily weighted with math (i.e. torture to her) I'm afraid she's going to quit before she's done. (Or lose her scholarship, which amounts to the same outcome.)
They fix it so you need an advanced degree to actually learn anything in your chosen subject.
/grrrr!
Definitely. I'm a Poli Sci major, and this is the first quarter (third quarter there overall) I've been able to take more than one upper division Poli Sci class. By the time my registration time rolls around, everything's filled up.
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BatGuano Wed, May 13, 2009 2:53:10am |
re: #256 littleoldlady
If buttercups buzz'd after the bee,
If boats were on land, churches on sea,
If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows,
And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse,
If the mamas sold their babies
To the gypsies for half a crown;
If summer were spring and the other way round,
Then all the world would be upside down.
The world turned upside down-1643
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 2:56:11am |
re: #257 TheMatrix31
AND....AND...we practically had to get a dispensation from the pope so that she would be permitted to take a couple of required courses at the community college this summer just so she could graduate on time.
I hear from practically everyone that you NEED a degree anymore. Frankly, I'm not sure it's worth the time and money.
/calculate the present value of the $$$ needed to pay off the college loans, and compare against future earnings...
//FEH.
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 2:57:02am |
'Night, gmsc! :-)
Okay. I'm done my rant.
/I think. ;-)
Carry on...
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TheMatrix31 Wed, May 13, 2009 3:01:11am |
re: #261 littleoldlady
AND....AND...we practically had to get a dispensation from the pope so that she would be permitted to take a couple of required courses at the community college this summer just so she could graduate on time.
I hear from practically everyone that you NEED a degree anymore. Frankly, I'm not sure it's worth the time and money.
/calculate the present value of the $$$ needed to pay off the college loans, and compare against future earnings...
//FEH.
I'm not convinced of it either. I feel like I've learned about 90% of the things I know outside of the academic world. Seems like education is more of a "supplemental" thing for me. That may just be me though. Frankly, I think it's BS that people have put worth on a stupid paper that doesn't really mean much. People can graduate a university but that doesn't mean they know their left ass-cheek from from their right, and it sure as hell doesn't guarantee they can survive in the real world.
Good night, gmsc!
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 3:05:47am |
re: #263 TheMatrix31
and it sure as hell doesn't guarantee they can survive in the real world.
There's the rub, indeed. I know my kid will do well in a job. Unlike most of her friends, she's actually HAD jobs.
/she likes working and her bosses have all liked her.
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littleoldlady Wed, May 13, 2009 3:07:52am |
re: #264 littleoldlady
Addendum: But you sure can't tell that by looking at her grades. :-(
Anyway, me and my MBA* are going to go scrub some toilets.
/verybigsigh
Good day, ALL!™
I know! Don't tell goddess! ;-)
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TheMatrix31 Wed, May 13, 2009 3:12:54am |
re: #265 littleoldlady
Addendum: But you sure can't tell that by looking at her grades. :-(
Anyway, me and my MBA* are going to go scrub some toilets.
/verybigsigh
Good day, ALL!™
I know! Don't tell goddess! ;-)
Heh! Alright, LoL...have a great day :)
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Tigger2005 Wed, May 13, 2009 3:21:38am |
In regard to the No True Scotsman fallacy of a few posts down:
Sometimes, it's really not a fallacy. A person can really be pretending to be a member of a certain group.
For example, after the BTK killer, Dennis Rader, was revealed to be a churchgoing family man, I saw many posts on the Internet Infidels Discussion Board (IIDB, which has a membership made up mostly of atheists with liberal social and political views) saying "Hah! See, being an upstanding member of a Christian church doesn't mean you're a good person!"
But one of the common characteristics of serial killers is that they try to fit into society and seem like everyone else. Dennis Rader acted like a good Christian and family man precisely because it was a good cover for his depravity. It's not like he was a Christian and family man gone bad, or just a hypocrite, although those certainly exist. He was a serial killer pretending to be something else.
This was just on my mind because a movie about Rader is out on video.
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BatGuano Wed, May 13, 2009 3:40:04am |
re: #268 Tigger2005
Aperson who kills abortion doctors and claims to be a Christian is not a Christian at all: he's just someone who needs to kill. His actions are denounced by real Christians; not supported by any Christian doctrine, and is used by the left to warn us of " religious fundamentalism". In these cases it is not a fallacy to say he is no true Christian.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, May 13, 2009 3:41:25am |
Dhimmi Pope Issues "Fuck You" to Israel and Implicitly Endorses Pali Right of Return
"Mr. President, the Holy See supports the right of your people to a sovereign Palestinian homeland in the land of your forefathers, secure and at peace with its neighbors, within internationally "recognized borders," the pontiff said.
Please tell me I am wrong.
:(
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BatGuano Wed, May 13, 2009 3:49:46am |
re: #270 Spare O'Lake
Thank you for posting that. Pat Buchanan must have been the speechwriter for the pope. He wasn't really a member of the Hitler Youth. I do not intend any offense to Catholics, but he's talking like Jimmy Carter.
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BatGuano Wed, May 13, 2009 4:13:49am |
Still no offense to Catholics. I just think it is funny. From about 1967
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:16:52am |
Did that little prick keep on picking on tfk after I went to bed?
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 4:20:47am |
re: #274 MandyManners
Did that little prick keep on picking on tfk after I went to bed?
Morning 2M. You can hardly call what you had "going to bed". More like a nap.:)
He pretty much laid off tfk, but a few other Lizards climbed into the little prick.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 4:23:33am |
Great Article.
GOP: The Haunted Party
Bringing back the Republican Party is a hard task. It’s tougher still when its members don’t trust those running around trying to save the party. It’s worse yet when leaders have no idea why they aren’t trusted. In the minds of many of our leaders, if we could move past Reagan, we could all be sensible adults and make a series of compromises that would get the majority of Americans on board with the Republican Party. The problem with this thinking is that it fails to understand how a party wins an election. It’s not through attracting enough people via a series of compromises of core values. Rather, victory depends to a great extent on money and manpower.
RTWT
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:24:49am |
re: #275 Erik The Red
Morning 2M. You can hardly call what you had "going to bed". More like a nap.:)
He pretty much laid off tfk, but a few other Lizards climbed into the little prick.
I got about six hours last night.
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summergurl Wed, May 13, 2009 4:30:10am |
re: #274 MandyManners
He posted something to Wayne about his in kind donations to the arts and called him friend. Wayne was not happy.
Dianna was sticking up for him - I saw her point but his overall "air" was taunting and trying to get some sort of response.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 4:32:07am |
A man boarded a plane in New Orleans with a box of frozen crabs and asked a
blonde, female crew member to take care of the box for him. She took the box
and promised to put it into the crew's refrigerator. He pointedly advised
her that he was holding her personally responsible for the crabs staying
frozen, mentioned that he was a lawyer, and proceeded to rant to her about
what would happen if she let them thaw out. Needless to say, she was most
annoyed by his behavior.
Shortly before landing in New York , she got on the intercom to announce to
the entire cabin, "Would the gentleman who gave me the crabs in New Orleans
please raise your hand."
Not one hand went up......... so she took them home and ate the crabs
herself.
Two lessons here:
1. Some men never learn.
2. Blondes aren't as dumb as most men think.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:32:17am |
re: #275 Erik The Red
A really good author to start reading is Carl Hiaasen. He is a columnist at the Miami Herald and has a marvelous style and voice. Not all of his books have Skink in them--a governor of Florida who flipped out, left office and went back to nature.
Hiaasen does have a liberal bias but, his stuff is good nonetheless.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:33:16am |
re: #278 summergurl
He posted something to Wayne about his in kind donations to the arts and called him friend. Wayne was not happy.
Dianna was sticking up for him - I saw her point but his overall "air" was taunting and trying to get some sort of response.
Wayne? Do you mean Walter? I remember reading that before I hit the hay. I thought it was rather boastful.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 4:35:03am |
re: #280 MandyManners
Thanks. Will look out for his work when I get Stateside.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, May 13, 2009 4:35:06am |
re: #277 MandyManners
I got about six hours last night.
I'm jealous. I would commit serious wrongdoings for 6 hours.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:37:25am |
re: #282 Erik The Red
Thanks. Will look out for his work when I get Stateside.
Tourist Season is the first. It's good. So is Stormy Weather. I just finished Nature Girl but I had a hard time getting into the groove with it.
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summergurl Wed, May 13, 2009 4:37:28am |
re: #281 MandyManners
Sorry, I meant Walter. Not much sleep here either last night.
The use of the term "my friend" has always set me on edge. Means nothing but..
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:38:22am |
re: #283 Spare O'Lake
I'm jealous. I would commit serious wrongdoings for 6 hours.
School's out next week so I'll be able to sleep in. Of course, it's out for only two months.
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rightside Wed, May 13, 2009 4:39:58am |
re: #285 summergurl
Who was the gamey troll buttocks whom you speak of?
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:41:39am |
re: #285 summergurl
Sorry, I meant Walter. Not much sleep here either last night.
The use of the term "my friend" has always set me on edge. Means nothing but..
I think you're a fucking peon but I'll deign to speak to you in hopes that some of my greatness will rub off on you.
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Mithrax Wed, May 13, 2009 4:42:24am |
*shambles around*
Coffee......need coffee......
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:42:26am |
re: #287 rightside
Who was the gamey troll buttocks whom you speak of?
Look for me "fuck off" comment from the previous thread.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 4:44:38am |
re: #292 MandyManners
Look for me "fuck off" comment from the previous thread.
I saw it and he had some smart ass comment to say.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:45:22am |
Our terrier's almost back to 100 per cent following her bout with coccidiosis. Man, it was a rough few days. At first I thought The Kid has slipped her some rich food that gave her diarrhea but, once she started walking funny and was sensitive to touch around her hips, I got her to the vet.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:45:51am |
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Spare O'Lake Wed, May 13, 2009 4:47:24am |
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freetoken Wed, May 13, 2009 4:47:37am |
re: #276 Erik The Red
That article wouldn't be written by the same person who writes this on his own blog, would it?
/just sayin'
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Mithrax Wed, May 13, 2009 4:47:50am |
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:50:04am |
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quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 4:50:45am |
re: #268 Tigger2005
There are plenty of evil people who use church or synagogue for camouflage. That's why I'm cautious in such gatherings.
As for No True Scotsman, that's especially funny given the Calvinist propensities of the Scots. The Scottish Church teaches that all people are miserable sinners, redeemed only by a loving G-d. Given that theology, it's impossible for a True Scotsman to be anything except a miserable sinner!
I met Phyllis Schlafly and her son at the GOP Convention in Philadelphia. Whether you agree with her or not, she's a brilliant woman. Her son was a lightweight by contrast. I'm a conservative, but I don't claim absolute moral superiority on account of that. I only claim relative moral superiority! ;-) Do conservatives lie? Absolutely! Anything to get laid, right? ;-)
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 4:51:35am |
re: #297 freetoken
That article wouldn't be written by the same person who writes this on his own blog, would it?
/just sayin'
Would look that way :(
Are there no SANE Conservatives left?
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quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 4:56:19am |
re: #280 MandyManners
I met Hiaasen while I was living in Miami. IIRC, he was a Nordic transplant from Minnesota. Bringing his Minnesota perspective to the hedonistic and solipsistic world of Miami was hilarious! Miami is another planet.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 13, 2009 4:57:04am |
*blinks in the light*
Good mornin' y'all!
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Mithrax Wed, May 13, 2009 4:57:16am |
Does anyone else get a problem with the Auto Reload comment spinner getting stuck in an endless loop sometimes?
Any way to fix it?
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quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 4:58:02am |
re: #305 Mithrax
Charles may have to do some repair work.
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Mithrax Wed, May 13, 2009 4:59:17am |
re: #306 quickjustice
Charles may have to do some repair work.
No, it's possible that it's on my end too.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 4:59:20am |
re: #305 Mithrax
Does anyone else get a problem with the Auto Reload comment spinner getting stuck in an endless loop sometimes?
Any way to fix it?
All fine here. FF
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 4:59:42am |
re: #298 Mithrax
Of course.
Mornin MM, hows The Kid been?
Full of P&V. His teacher will promote him as long as he gets his meds to the correct level and goes to a behavioral therapist this summer to learn some coping techniques. In our big meeting Monday, she told me that he is gifted but, that giftedness is being hampered by his ADHD which leads to all kinds of frustration.
It seems that his school ramps up things signficantly in the fourth grade. Good grades in the third grade are not enough--kids have to show they have developed good organizational skills and study habits by the end of the year.
The Kid's organizational skills suck--it's part being eight, part being a boy and part having ADHD. His study skills need to be honed 'cause there is homework just about every day (except Wednesday 'cause it's a church night), including weekends.
So, instead of just taking him to the pool and whichever sport camp he chooses, I'll be going with him to see a freakin' shrink!
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 5:02:00am |
re: #302 quickjustice
I met Hiaasen while I was living in Miami. IIRC, he was a Nordic transplant from Minnesota. Bringing his Minnesota perspective to the hedonistic and solipsistic world of Miami was hilarious! Miami is another planet.
Oh, he's Nordic for sure but, he was born and raised in Florida. (I just love his eyes. And, that smile!)
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:02:06am |
re: #309 MandyManners
Get the meds sorted out asap. Once he is on the correct drug and dosage you will see a big change. Took us about 6 months with my daughter.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 5:02:21am |
re: #305 Mithrax
Does anyone else get a problem with the Auto Reload comment spinner getting stuck in an endless loop sometimes?
Any way to fix it?
SHOOT YER COMPUTER.
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freetoken Wed, May 13, 2009 5:02:29am |
re: #301 Erik The Red
It's an easy bet to offer...
On his article about Republicans... My take is that the author makes the same mistake so many have done - and that is to try and define what the GOP should be through the lens of RWR. Even if only by contrasting and comparing.
Graham's conclusion:
Rebuilding the Republican Party is a complex task, but if we take the right lessons from Reagan, the beginning is clear. You have to re-engage conservatives by giving us an agenda that’s worth fighting for and candidates who have the guts, courage, integrity, and political skills to carry it out
.
... is one such example.
Political parties wax and wane. Societies change, problems come and go. Either the GOP will address the needs of the day or it will wither.
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Mithrax Wed, May 13, 2009 5:03:12am |
re: #309 MandyManners
Full of P&V. His teacher will promote him as long as he gets his meds to the correct level and goes to a behavioral therapist this summer to learn some coping techniques. In our big meeting Monday, she told me that he is gifted but, that giftedness is being hampered by his ADHD which leads to all kinds of frustration.
It seems that his school ramps up things signficantly in the fourth grade. Good grades in the third grade are not enough--kids have to show they have developed good organizational skills and study habits by the end of the year.
The Kid's organizational skills suck--it's part being eight, part being a boy and part having ADHD. His study skills need to be honed 'cause there is homework just about every day (except Wednesday 'cause it's a church night), including weekends.
So, instead of just taking him to the pool and whichever sport camp he chooses, I'll be going with him to see a freakin' shrink!
Actually, sounds a hell of a lot like me when I was a kid. It's sort of like looking into a mirror.
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summergurl Wed, May 13, 2009 5:06:26am |
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 5:10:31am |
re: #311 Erik The Red
Get the meds sorted out asap. Once he is on the correct drug and dosage you will see a big change. Took us about 6 months with my daughter.
Five mgs. of Adderall is not enough.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 13, 2009 5:10:43am |
re: #309 MandyManners
It will be good for him.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:11:24am |
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 5:12:20am |
re: #314 Mithrax
Actually, sounds a hell of a lot like me when I was a kid. It's sort of like looking into a mirror.
The issues his teacher laid out the other day flipped me out in that kids nowadays are expected to have the skills we needed in the seventh or eighth grade.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 5:13:07am |
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freetoken Wed, May 13, 2009 5:13:16am |
re: #301 Erik The Red
More about your favorite current PJM writer, Adam Graham:
From [Link: www.truthandhope.2truth.com...] UserProfile:
Biography: Former State Coordinator for the Alan Keyes Presidential Campaign, current state coordinators for the John Cox presidential campaign.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 5:13:46am |
re: #319 Erik The Red
My daughter is on 10mg of Concerta.
I've a call into his doctor. I think we'll try upping his Adderall to 10 mgs..
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Mithrax Wed, May 13, 2009 5:15:08am |
re: #320 MandyManners
The issues his teacher laid out the other day flipped me out in that kids nowadays are expected to have the skills we needed in the seventh or eighth grade.
Yeah, I noticed that when I was teaching. It was terribly amusing when parents asked me how I put up with them some days. I said...."they're KIDS".
So much has gone into treating them like mini adults, without actually teaching them or training them how to be adults AND taking into account that it takes years to make them that way. I mean, when I hear parents now talk about kids dating in grade 4 or 5, my first reaction was "Grade 4 or 5, girls had cooties!"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 13, 2009 5:16:01am |
re: #321 MandyManners
I dig. My life changed dramatically after I was diagnosed. Fortunately, I responded very well to meds and it took no time at all to learn how to organize.
My life would have been dramatically different earlier had I been diagnosed at 8.
Hell, I might've beaten Barack Obama in the last election.
Y'all can blame my parents.
/
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:16:12am |
re: #322 freetoken
Free, not my favorite author. I read the article and enjoyed it. Thought I would share it. I did not research the writers back ground. If I knew he was a IDer I would not have linked to it. Thanks for the heads up on him.
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freetoken Wed, May 13, 2009 5:19:37am |
re: #326 Erik The Red
Just ribbing you....
It is ironic to note that PJM has drifted so far into la-la land... promoting various IDers (several), those who support fringe ideas, etc.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 5:21:07am |
re: #324 Mithrax
Yeah, I noticed that when I was teaching. It was terribly amusing when parents asked me how I put up with them some days. I said...."they're KIDS".
So much has gone into treating them like mini adults, without actually teaching them or training them how to be adults AND taking into account that it takes years to make them that way. I mean, when I hear parents now talk about kids dating in grade 4 or 5, my first reaction was "Grade 4 or 5, girls had cooties!"
I don't treat The Kid as a mini-adult but, I admit I grow weary of picking up his socks! I tell him repeatedly to do it yet, there they lie. Then I remind myself that's he just a child, that his priorities are not the same as mine.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 5:22:28am |
re: #325 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I dig. My life changed dramatically after I was diagnosed. Fortunately, I responded very well to meds and it took no time at all to learn how to organize.
My life would have been dramatically different earlier had I been diagnosed at 8.
Hell, I might've beaten Barack Obama in the last election.
Y'all can blame my parents.
/
I think a lot of my symptoms of ADD were masked by my desire to be prim and proper.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 5:23:50am |
I have to load the volcano into the car and then lug it to his classroom so, I gotta' git.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:24:23am |
re: #330 MandyManners
I have to load the volcano into the car and then lug it to his classroom so, I gotta' git.
Bye 2M. See you later.
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Mithrax Wed, May 13, 2009 5:26:17am |
re: #328 MandyManners
re: #329 MandyManners
He'll get there.
Then again, that was one thing my parents never could get me to do. My father to this day still refers to my room as "the swamp". Even though I've been living on my own for a long time.
Any kids I work with I try to get them to be as gentlemenly and ladylike as possible. Manners, decorum, etc.
It's a real struggle when they become teens. At which point I say to them "I don't care how long, dishevelled, unruly or what colour your hair is, at least keep it washed".
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 5:29:24am |
Good morning lizards! I just got this in my email...
An Easily Understandable Explanation of Derivative Markets:
Heidi is the proprietor of a bar in Detroit . She realizes that virtually all of her customers are unemployed alcoholics and, as such, can no longer afford to patronize her bar. To solve this problem, she comes up with new marketing plan that allows her customers to drink now, but pay later.
She keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger (thereby granting the
customers loans). Word gets around about Heidi's "drink now, pay later" marketing strategy and, as a result, increasing numbers of customers flood into Heidi's bar. Soon she has the largest sales volume for any bar in Detroit .By providing her customers' freedom from immediate payment demands, Heidi gets no resistance when, at regular intervals, she substantially increases her prices for wine and beer, the most consumed beverages. Consequently, Heidi's gross sales volume increases massively.
A young and dynamic vice-president at the local bank recognizes that these customer debts constitute valuable future assets and increases Heidi's borrowing limit. He sees no reason for any undue concern, since he has the debts of the unemployed alcoholics as collateral.
At the bank's corporate headquarters, expert traders transform these
customer loans into DRINKBONDS, ALKIBONDS and PUKEBONDS. These securities are then bundled and traded on international security markets.Naive investors don't really understand that the securities being sold to them as AAA secured bonds are really the debts of unemployed alcoholics.
Nevertheless, the bond prices continuously climb, and the securities soon
become the hottest-selling items for some of the nation's leading brokerage
houses.One day, even though the bond prices are still climbing, a risk manager at
the original local bank decides that the time has come to demand payment on the debts incurred by the drinkers at Heidi's bar. He so informs Heidi.Heidi then demands payment from her alcoholic patrons, but being unemployed alcoholics they cannot pay back their drinking debts. Since, Heidi cannot fulfill her loan obligations she is forced into bankruptcy. The bar closes and the eleven employees lose their jobs.
Overnight, DRINKBONDS, ALKIBONDS and PUKEBONDS drop in price by 90%. The collapsed bond asset value destroys the banks liquidity and prevents it from issuing new loans, thus freezing credit and economic activity in the community.
The suppliers of Heidi's bar had granted her generous payment extensions and had invested their firms' pension funds in the various BOND securities. They find they are now faced with having to write off her bad debt and with it losing over 90% of the presumed value of the bonds. Her wine supplier also claims bankruptcy, closing the doors on a family business that had endured for three generations, her beer supplier is taken over by a competitor, who immediately closes the local plant and lays off 150 workers.
Fortunately though, the bank, the brokerage houses and their respective
executives are saved and bailed out by a multi-billion dollar no- strings
attached cash infusion from the Government. The funds required for this
bailout are obtained by new taxes levied on employed, middle-class,
non-drinkers.Now, do you understand?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 13, 2009 5:34:09am |
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 5:36:01am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Haven't been around much lately due to being way too busy. Work is busy (a good thing). Home life is busy (not a bad thing). No time for lgf (not a good thing).
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:36:57am |
re: #335 Ford_Prefect
Good Morning Lizards!
Haven't been around much lately due to being way too busy. Work is busy (a good thing). Home life is busy (not a bad thing). No time for lgf (not a good thing).
Ford. Good Morning
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, May 13, 2009 5:37:02am |
re: #335 Ford_Prefect
As long as you have a towel, it should be cool.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:37:28am |
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 5:38:25am |
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 5:39:35am |
re: #337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
As long as you have a towel, it should be cool.
When I listen to BHO I sometimes feel like my Babel fish must have died. Actually I think maybe what I need for listening to him is a Babble fish.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:40:18am |
re: #340 Rustler
Morning Prefect.
And another Lizard crawls out from under god only knows where.
Morning rustler
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Rustler Wed, May 13, 2009 5:42:38am |
re: #343 Erik The Red Was busy reading the Creationism thread from last night.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 5:42:46am |
re: #343 Erik The Red
And another Lizard crawls out from under god only knows where.
Morning rustler
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:44:12am |
re: #344 Rustler
Was busy reading the Creationism thread from last night.
I went back a few days and was reading the LGF2 thread earlier.
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Rustler Wed, May 13, 2009 5:46:25am |
Erik when you come back stateside make sure you bring me a Hydrocynus for my fish tank they are such cute little fishies.
Big difference from thier little cousin the Tetras everyone loves in thier tanks.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 5:47:59am |
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Rustler Wed, May 13, 2009 5:48:14am |
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 5:49:22am |
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Rustler Wed, May 13, 2009 5:50:23am |
re: #348 Ford_Prefect
Not nearly big enough. That one is the Largest of the 5 species only found in the Congo River. The have a max size of about 1.75 meters and 60-70KG(a bit over 5 feet and upwards of 150ish pounds) Just teasing Erik a bit.
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Rustler Wed, May 13, 2009 5:51:11am |
re: #350 Ford_Prefect
That is a baby vittatus is around 2-2.5 feet and 20-30 pounds max.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 5:51:44am |
re: #351 Rustler
That would be tough to smuggle in. Couldn't exactly put it in his pocket.
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quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 5:52:06am |
re: #333 njdhockeyfan
I've seen this one before. The problem with the analysis is that the current credit crisis was nothing as obvious as alcoholics. It was home ownership. And home ownership has been promoted by politicians of both parties since Herbert Hoover, with disastrous results: [Link: www.city-journal.org...]
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SteveC Wed, May 13, 2009 5:52:18am |
re: #137 Shiplord Kirel
Harry Turtledove....
Good morning!
Turtledove is supposedly working on a new book - JFK survives the assassination attempt in Dallas but is impeached! He and his co-author published the first few chapters online in 2007, but I haven't heard anything since. It sounds like it has a lot of potential; I hope they finish it!
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:53:06am |
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Rustler Wed, May 13, 2009 5:53:18am |
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:53:50am |
re: #353 Ford_Prefect
That would be tough to smuggle in. Couldn't exactly put it in his pocket.
I like my tackle to much to put that in my pocket.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 5:56:25am |
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Rustler Wed, May 13, 2009 5:56:47am |
re: #356 Erik The Red
Thats from the Zambezi its not quite as large as Giganticus from the Congo. The Zambezi Tiger fish is 2nd largest.
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Erik The Red Wed, May 13, 2009 5:57:44am |
re: #360 Rustler
Thats from the Zambezi its not quite as large as Giganticus from the Congo. The Zambezi Tiger fish is 2nd largest.
Not to many big ones left. Most have been fished out.
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Rustler Wed, May 13, 2009 5:59:21am |
re: #361 Erik The Red
Congo still has a decent number of em because the Big ones live in the fastest flowing harshest areas of the river and the Congo is nasty enough to make the most diehard white water rafters go a bit green.
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lincolntf Wed, May 13, 2009 6:03:04am |
Morning all.
Woke up and saw this article at Drudge. Get ready for other states to follow suit.
40% tax cut, but not for you or me
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KenJen Wed, May 13, 2009 6:03:05am |
Check out these creepy things. I saw this on our local news this morning. Some woman carries it around town like its real. This must be a new mental illness.
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MJ Wed, May 13, 2009 6:04:07am |
Former President and current Middle East Adviser Jimmy Carter arrived in Lebanon yesterday for talks with Hizballah, America's new ally in it's war against the Middle East's only Democracy Israel.
It's all part of President Obama's new strategy of shitting on America's former allies in favor of promoting terrorism throughout the Middle East.
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callahan23 Wed, May 13, 2009 6:05:25am |
re: #333 njdhockeyfan
This very article was printed in the German tabloid 'Bild' in 12/27/2008.
Then they already wrote in the introduction that it was written by someone anonymous and that it circulates in the Internet.
Your 'Heidi' is in German a 'Mandy' from Berlin-Kreuzberg a not so wealthy part of Berlin.
The auto-translated (Google) article and the original (German).
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 6:08:29am |
re: #364 KenJen
Check out these creepy things. I saw this on our local news this morning. Some woman carries it around town like its real. This must be a new mental illness.
Saw those a t a craft fair once. They are amazingly lifelike. I don't know what it says about a woman that buys one for herself, but they are amazing.
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Spiritualized Wed, May 13, 2009 6:08:57am |
Dhimmi Pope Issues "Fuck You" to Israel and Implicitly Endorses Pali Right of Return
Any leader that willingly meets with those filthy terrorists automatically becomes a dhimmi. It only serves to legitimize their falsified, revisionist history.
If he was any sort of leader he would openly acknowledge that Christians are under siege throughout the Middle East, and that Israel is the only country in the region where the Christian population is actually rising.
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Ojoe Wed, May 13, 2009 6:09:59am |
Cheerios are a drug!
"Because of these intended uses, the product is a drug," the FDA concluded in its letter.
Not only that, but Cheerios is a new drug because it has not been "recognized as safe and effective for use in preventing or treating hypercholesterolemia or coronary heart disease," the FDA said.
Good morning, watch out for your breakfast!
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 6:11:49am |
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KenJen Wed, May 13, 2009 6:11:57am |
re: #369 Ojoe
Cheerios are a drug!
Good morning, watch out for your breakfast!
Government taking on Big Cereal. Who's next?
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:12:31am |
Mornin' all. Nicks and dings on shuttle tiles.
Hey, Obambi! We need a new orbiter! That doesn't use fragile tiles for heat resistance.
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soxfan4life Wed, May 13, 2009 6:13:10am |
re: #371 KenJen
Government taking on Big Cereal. Who's next?
Big taxpayer?//
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Ojoe Wed, May 13, 2009 6:13:26am |
Cheerios are a drug!
Carbon Dioxide is Dangerous!
Other countries will love us !
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius !
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:13:47am |
re: #368 Spiritualized
WTF?! The Pope got up and walked out when some mad mullah started ranting the other day.
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Ojoe Wed, May 13, 2009 6:14:24am |
re: #371 KenJen
The carbonation in beer causes global warming, we must get used to flat beer, that's next.
Perhaps.
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 6:14:30am |
Heh.
Democrats: CIA is out to get us
Democrats charged Tuesday that the CIA has released documents about congressional briefings on harsh interrogation techniques in order to deflect attention and blame away from itself.
“I think there is so much embarrassment in some quarters [of the CIA] that people are going to try to shift some of the responsibility to others — that’s what I think,” said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and was briefed on interrogation techniques five times between 2006 and 2007.
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FrogMarch Wed, May 13, 2009 6:14:52am |
hi y'all.
This is what Oprah says at a commencement address to the graduating students at Duke:
“It’s great to have a nice home. It’s great to have nice homes! It’s great to have a nice home that just escaped the fire in Santa Barbara,” she told the students. “It’s great to have a private jet. Anyone that tells you that having your own private jet isn’t great is lying to you.”
the future of our once great nation is .... fast going down the toilet.
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Spiritualized Wed, May 13, 2009 6:15:35am |
re: #375 pingjockey
WTF?! The Pope got up and walked out when some mad mullah started ranting the other day.
So? I saw him this morning standing alongside Abbas who shares the exact same views as that Imam.
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Ojoe Wed, May 13, 2009 6:16:02am |
re: #378 FrogMarch
It is not Oprah, it is the millions of morons who watch her.
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lincolntf Wed, May 13, 2009 6:16:37am |
re: #378 FrogMarch
Wow. Oprah as much as called Obama a liar. He's the one who main-streamed the anti-jet flap. Too bad it probably went right over the heads of the audience.
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:17:00am |
re: #379 Spiritualized
That's why I said What the fuck? He (Pope) is going to get a sore crotch from stradling that fence.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 6:20:45am |
re: #382 lincolntf
Wow. Oprah as much as called Obama a liar.
That was my thought. Think she is having some buyers remorse? About Obama I mean, not the private jet.
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KenJen Wed, May 13, 2009 6:22:05am |
re: #384 Ford_Prefect
That was my thought. Think she is having some buyers remorse? About Obama I mean, not the private jet.
She will never admit it if she does.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 6:22:31am |
Taliban is only killing worthy people...
"We are killing the people which are only no good for society, like thieves and people who are making problem for the poor people, like people who are working for army," he said. "We are only killing these people."
I'm glad they cleared that up for us. I was worried for a moment.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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lincolntf Wed, May 13, 2009 6:22:33am |
re: #384 Ford_Prefect
Maybe. Oprah is no dummy, and she's a supreme capitalist. I'm sure she'll always publicly support Obama, but her bottom line is gonna suffer right along with the rest of us.
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:22:36am |
re: #384 Ford_Prefect
Nah. Remember, Oprah is one of the elite, like Algoreacle, Kennedys, Babs, etc....They get to keep their jets. Only evil CEOs have to give up theirs.
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reloadingisnotahobby Wed, May 13, 2009 6:23:06am |
re: #384 Ford_Prefect
I'm certianly suffering of buyers remorse..........
And I didn't buy ANYTHING!
Goodmorning all!
Today?
Beauty! With high winds.....Damn!
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:23:44am |
re: #386 Walter L. Newton
Little girls going to school, women who sing on tv, women who drive....
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 6:24:00am |
re: #384 Ford_Prefect
That was my thought. Think she is having some buyers remorse? About Obama I mean, not the private jet.
You would have to assume that she has thought this out. Like most liberals, she hasn't, and even if she has, it doesn't matter to her. When is it the job of liberal to actually live by their own advice?
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 6:25:16am |
John Murtha opponent says aide threatened him
The Republican who challenged Rep. John Murtha in 2008 says a top aide to the embattled Pennsylvania Democrat threatened to have him recalled to active duty in the U.S. Army so he could be court-martialed for engaging in politics while serving in the armed forces.
What a scumbag.
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FrogMarch Wed, May 13, 2009 6:26:00am |
re: #380 Ojoe
It is not Oprah, it is the millions of morons who watch her.
I think in this case it's Oprah.
she might as well have said "I like big shiny things, I like materialism, I like big cars and big jets and big homes - and I have big cars and big jets and big homes. Did I mention that I like big shiny things? I do, I like big jewelry. I like being on the cover of a magazine every month. I like Obama. I like luxury and my private jet and all of the things that money can buy. oh - wait you're graduating today - wanna see my jet?"
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:26:34am |
re: #392 njdhockeyfan
I hope the guy can prove that. Maybe then Murthafuckers sheeple will vote that scumbag out!
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 6:27:45am |
re: #392 njdhockeyfan
If only we could get the politicians to stop engaging in the military, maybe then they would be left alone long enough to get the job done.
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:29:20am |
IIRC, the Theatre of the Absurd opens today. Hearing on the Enhanced Interrogation Techniques.
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FrogMarch Wed, May 13, 2009 6:32:05am |
re: #392 njdhockeyfan
John Murtha opponent says aide threatened him
What a scumbag.
I find it curious that John Murtha won. How can such a sleazy money-grubbing military-trashing bucket of puss win anything? oh yeah- he has the holy (D) behind his name, and therefore he can't lose.
(there much voter fraud in PA)
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soxfan4life Wed, May 13, 2009 6:33:14am |
re: #396 pingjockey
IIRC, the Theatre of the Absurd opens today. Hearing on the Enhanced Interrogation Techniques.
One would think that after listening to the likes of Barney Frank ,Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha or John Kerry speak, enhanced interrogation would be a welcome break.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 6:34:33am |
re: #399 soxfan4life
One would think that after listening to the likes of Barney Frank ,Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha or John Kerry speak, enhanced interrogation would be a welcome break.
"The House majority leader reluctantly agreed Tuesday that congressional hearings should investigate Speaker Nancy Pelosi's assertion that she wasn't informed, more than six years ago, that harsh interrogation methods were used on an al-Qaida leader."
[Link: www.google.com...]
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KenJen Wed, May 13, 2009 6:34:48am |
re: #396 pingjockey
IIRC, the Theatre of the Absurd opens today. Hearing on the Enhanced Interrogation Techniques.
I prefer to call them New and Improved Interrogation Techniques.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, May 13, 2009 6:35:55am |
re: #400 Walter L. Newton
"The House majority leader reluctantly agreed Tuesday that congressional hearings should investigate Speaker Nancy Pelosi's assertion that she wasn't informed, more than six years ago, that harsh interrogation methods were used on an al-Qaida leader."
[Link: www.google.com...]
If they do investigate it the only thing they will be looking for is why she wasn't informed, not why did she lie about not being informed.
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soxfan4life Wed, May 13, 2009 6:36:27am |
re: #400 Walter L. Newton
Should prove to be interesting to see how Nancy squirms out of this one.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 6:36:44am |
re: #332 Mithrax
re: #329 MandyManners
He'll get there.
Then again, that was one thing my parents never could get me to do. My father to this day still refers to my room as "the swamp". Even though I've been living on my own for a long time.
Any kids I work with I try to get them to be as gentlemenly and ladylike as possible. Manners, decorum, etc.
It's a real struggle when they become teens. At which point I say to them "I don't care how long, dishevelled, unruly or what colour your hair is, at least keep it washed".
While driving home, I got to thinking about my realization that a major problem I have has been expecting him to share my priorities. I won't just give up on certain issues so I need to figure out how to help him to see my POV.
Maybe I'll just stop tidying and cleaning his room and let it become a total wreck and refuse to help him find whatever PS2/3 game/control or book he wants. Maybe I'll tell him that I wlll no longer wash the socks and undies that he tosses anywhere but the laundry basket. When he finally runs out of clean socks and undies, maybe he'll get the point.
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soxfan4life Wed, May 13, 2009 6:39:31am |
re: #404 MandyManners
As an 8 year old boy, he might wear his socks and undies over again and wear you down on that issue. I found that to be the case with my boy until he became interested in girls.
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:40:26am |
re: #404 MandyManners
It worked with mine. Hey Dad we've got no clean clothes! Where are they? Uh...on the floor in our rooms. Got their attention.
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smokefire Wed, May 13, 2009 6:40:27am |
re: #403 soxfan4life
Should prove to be interesting to see how Nancy squirms out of this one.
She will use the Bill Clinton procedure.
..........."it all depends on what you mean by torture"
Never underestimate the power of a politician to skew what he/she says or said.
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 13, 2009 6:41:50am |
re: #404 MandyManners
. . .
Maybe I'll just stop tidying and cleaning his room and let it become a total wreck and refuse to help him find whatever PS2/3 game/control or book he wants. Maybe I'll tell him that I wlll no longer wash the socks and undies that he tosses anywhere but the laundry basket. When he finally runs out of clean socks and undies, maybe he'll get the point.
YES. It's time. Just close the door to his room. It's what I do.
re: #406 soxfan4life
As an 8 year old boy, he might wear his socks and undies over again and wear you down on that issue. I found that to be the case with my boy until he became interested in girls.
It won't kill him. And it won't last forever.
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smokefire Wed, May 13, 2009 6:43:45am |
re: #409 reine.de.tout
It won't kill him. And it won't last forever.
...........however, you walk a thin line. In this day and age, not cleaning for your child might be classified as child abuse. Local DCF might be knocking at the door Mandy.
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soxfan4life Wed, May 13, 2009 6:44:23am |
re: #409 reine.de.tout
It didn't kill him, but it frustated the hell out of me. Had to learn to just let it go.
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Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 6:44:52am |
re: #404 MandyManners
Teach him to fend for himself. At some point, he's going to have to.
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redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 6:45:02am |
Good Morning, {all y'all}
Talking about kid's rooms...my daughter's room was a wreck until she went off to college and lived in the dorm. She became a neat freak within a week. Amazing how fast they learn that they don't want to live in squalor when they're on their own.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 6:46:30am |
re: #406 soxfan4life
As an 8 year old boy, he might wear his socks and undies over again and wear you down on that issue. I found that to be the case with my boy until he became interested in girls.
He won't be able to do that because once I find the tossed socks and undies, I'll lock them away.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 6:47:10am |
re: #407 pingjockey
It worked with mine. Hey Dad we've got no clean clothes! Where are they? Uh...on the floor in our rooms. Got their attention.
As sox noted just before you, I'm gonna' lock them up so that he cannot just wear them again.
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soxfan4life Wed, May 13, 2009 6:48:07am |
re: #415 MandyManners
He won't be able to do that because once I find the tossed socks and undies, I'll lock them away.
When my son was about 14 he started wearing his sneakers without socks. OMG the smell was horiffic.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 6:48:13am |
re: #409 reine.de.tout
It won't kill him. And it won't last forever.
Oh, it won't be permanent. I'm gonna' wait until it gets so bad that he cannot find things and then we're gonna' have a cleaning session to beat all cleaning sessions.
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redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 6:48:51am |
re: #416 MandyManners
As sox noted just before you, I'm gonna' lock them up so that he cannot just wear them again.
My MIL told me that when my husband was about that age she realized that there were no dirty socks or underwear in the clothes hamper for him. He was bathing and just putting the same ones back on.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 6:49:07am |
re: #410 smokefire
...........however, you walk a thin line. In this day and age, not cleaning for your child might be classified as child abuse. Local DCF might be knocking at the door Mandy.
They better have a warrant. Ain't no worker from the government getting into my house without one.
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:49:30am |
re: #416 MandyManners
That'll work too. Since you are doing mom & dad both, you have my respect and a big hug!
My better half was a single mom with 2 boys for 4 years before we hooked up. Women/men who do the single parent thing are incredibly tough.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 6:49:54am |
re: #412 Sharmuta
Teach him to fend for himself. At some point, he's going to have to.
He cannot do all of that at once so, this will be a baby step.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 6:50:45am |
re: #417 soxfan4life
When my son was about 14 he started wearing his sneakers without socks. OMG the smell was horiffic.
No socks, no sneakers. Well, he does have his Bronco crocs but, I'll figure out something.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 6:51:21am |
re: #419 redstateredneck
My MIL told me that when my husband was about that age she realized that there were no dirty socks or underwear in the clothes hamper for him. He was bathing and just putting the same ones back on.
Won't work here.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 6:52:12am |
re: #421 pingjockey
That'll work too. Since you are doing mom & dad both, you have my respect and a big hug!
My better half was a single mom with 2 boys for 4 years before we hooked up. Women/men who do the single parent thing are incredibly tough.
Thank you! Some days, though, I just wanna' curl up into a ball and not get up.
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Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 6:52:29am |
re: #422 MandyManners
I met a young man that, when he was in college, shipped his laundry home. His mother would wash it and send it back. Don't be that mom.
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redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 6:52:57am |
re: #426 Sharmuta
I met a young man that, when he was in college, shipped his laundry home. His mother would wash it and send it back. Don't be that mom.
O.M.G.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 6:53:10am |
re: #420 MandyManners
They better have a warrant. Ain't no worker from the government getting into my house without one.
They don't need a warrant.
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:53:25am |
re: #425 MandyManners
I'll just bet. My wife has a thing about ramen noodles and hot dogs. That is all they could afford.
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soxfan4life Wed, May 13, 2009 6:53:41am |
re: #423 MandyManners
No socks, no sneakers. Well, he does have his Bronco crocs but, I'll figure out something.
I'm sure you will. He's a lucky boy, there are alot of 2 parent families out there who are not as involved their childrens lives as you seem to be.
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:54:11am |
re: #426 Sharmuta
That is crazy!
Have you been up all night?
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redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 6:54:31am |
re: #429 pingjockey
I'll just bet. My wife has a thing about ramen noodles and hot dogs. That is all they could afford.
Women and kids nearly always come out on the losing end of divorce.
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soxfan4life Wed, May 13, 2009 6:55:53am |
re: #432 redstateredneck
Women and kids nearly always come out on the losing end of divorce.
You must not be aware of divorce laws in MA.
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avanti Wed, May 13, 2009 6:56:26am |
Good morning all. Just saw that the GOP has passed a resolution to name the Dems as the Democrat Socialist Party. We'll see how that works out.
Socialist.
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redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 6:56:28am |
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 6:56:33am |
re: #432 redstateredneck
Her ex stole a bunch of stuff from Sears while he was working there and they garnished the estate not him. So she had to declare bankruptcy.
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 6:57:06am |
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Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 6:57:13am |
My grandmother has, on more than one occasion, enjoyed telling me the tale of her first few weeks of marriage with my Air Force pilot grandfather.
He had a habit of leaving his clothes out where ever they hit the floor, so she told him that if he couldn't put things in the hamper, she wouldn't wash them. Every thing went fine until one morning, he didn't have proper dress clothes for an officers meeting.
Don't let this be your daughter-in-law.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 6:58:11am |
re: #434 avanti
Good morning all. Just saw that the GOP has passed a resolution to name the Dems as the Democrat Socialist Party. We'll see how that works out.
Socialist.
Good idea.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 6:59:54am |
re: #439 Walter L. Newton
I would rather see the GOP promoting its own good ideas rather than name calling. I don't think this will help.
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redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 7:00:11am |
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MrSilverDragon Wed, May 13, 2009 7:00:14am |
re: #434 avanti
Good morning all. Just saw that the GOP has passed a resolution to name the Dems as the Democrat Socialist Party. We'll see how that works out.
Socialist.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 7:00:16am |
This is interesting...
The fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition likely holds the key to enacting a universal health care plan this year, but so far the Democratic bloc feels like it’s being cast aside.
Forty-five Blue Dogs, led by Rep. Mike Ross (Ark.), on Monday warned that they need to be part of the writing of health care legislation in a sharply worded letter to Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) and Education and Labor Chairman George Miller (D-Calif.).
The Blue Dogs pronounced themselves “increasingly troubled” at the lack of involvement in the writing of the massive bill and said their limited role is “especially concerning in light of the collaborative approach taken by our Senate colleagues.”
Ross said they want to be brought in on the front end, not the back.
“I’ve had a sit-down with Chairman Waxman on health care, but we keep hearing rumors that a bill is being written,” he said. “A conversation is nice, but we want to be there when it’s being written.”
Ross made clear that the success of the health care overhaul was at risk. Lawmakers are pressing ahead quickly on a massive reform package with a goal of enacting a bill into law this year. Leaders in both chambers have said they’d like to have a bill on the floor by August.
“We speak with 51 votes, and we expect to be involved in helping draft the legislation. And if we’re not, I see a lot more complications down the road on health care than what the leadership experienced on cap-and-trade,” Ross said in an interview Tuesday.
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JacksonTn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:00:39am |
re: #434 avanti
Good morning all. Just saw that the GOP has passed a resolution to name the Dems as the Democrat Socialist Party. We'll see how that works out.
Socialist.
Avanti ... have you ever seen the web archives on the DSA? they have scrubbed their sites but it is still out there ... what do you think the Progressive Caucus was called before they changed it to the Progressives ... you need to do some homework on the dems that you have joined up with ...
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VioletTiger Wed, May 13, 2009 7:00:39am |
Good morning lizards!
Kids and their rooms. We had very little trouble with our daughter's room, as she has some sort of neatness gene--from my husband, not me. However, she had a tendency to leave her stuff all over the rest of the house. We did the same as others mentioned--stuff just disappeared. Put an end to that real quick.
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FrogMarch Wed, May 13, 2009 7:00:51am |
Camille Paglia has a godd opinion piece:
she covers all sorts of topics political and entertainment.
I like this bit about Madonna:
Madonna can still produce a catchy pop song, but she hasn't expanded her artistic vocabulary since the 1990s. Her concerts are glitzy extravaganzas of special effects overkill. She leaves little space in them for emotional depth or unscripted rapport with the audience.
Madonna's idea of intellectualism is comparing John McCain to Hitler.
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Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 7:00:55am |
re: #440 Killgore Trout
I would rather see the GOP promoting its own good ideas rather than name calling. I don't think this will help.
I agree. I want so ideas I can rally around.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:01:57am |
re: #440 Killgore Trout
I would rather see the GOP promoting its own good ideas rather than name calling. I don't think this will help.
And I would rather have things labeled correctly.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:03:18am |
re: #448 Sharmuta
I agree. I want so ideas I can rally around.
Avanti want attention again. So, everyone, I have a proposition, just agree with the article, yes, let's call the democrats the Democratic Socialist Party, and stick to that agreement, and maybe he'll go away.
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Lincolntf Wed, May 13, 2009 7:03:34am |
re: #437 njdhockeyfan
Goo letter. I suppose there's no real way to know if it's true, but I like it.
If only more people on the Left would come to this realization, our country would be far freer, safer and wealthier:
"Suddenly a light went on. The peace and love and flower power of the old left was dead and gone (if it even existed to begin with except in my imagination). The Democrats had morphed into a power hungry Thought Police, and I was done with them. My new motto in life: don't PC on me."
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 7:03:38am |
re: #449 Walter L. Newton
The way the msm and the left have mangled the language I don't think it'll matter. Progressive and liberal do not mean what they used to.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 7:03:50am |
re: #448 Sharmuta
I also think that much of what they are labeling "socialist" (Bank bailouts, TARP, etc) are temporary emergency measures. Not a permanent policy of nationalizing banks.
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redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 7:03:56am |
re: #445 VioletTiger
Good morning lizards!
Kids and their rooms. We had very little trouble with our daughter's room, as she has some sort of neatness gene--from my husband, not me. However, she had a tendency to leave her stuff all over the rest of the house. We did the same as others mentioned--stuff just disappeared. Put an end to that real quick.
When I was a teenager, I left my ring on the piano and my mother "disappeared" it to teach me a lesson. Problem was, she forgot where she put it and it never reappeared.
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Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 7:04:02am |
re: #450 Walter L. Newton
Avanti want attention again. So, everyone, I have a proposition, just agree with the article, yes, let's call the democrats the Democratic Socialist Party, and stick to that agreement, and maybe he'll go away.
I was just going to ask him if he accepts the veracity of evolution. That might do the same thing.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:05:42am |
re: #452 pingjockey
The way the msm and the left have mangled the language I don't think it'll matter. Progressive and liberal do not mean what they used to.
Avanti want attention again. So, everyone, I have a proposition, just agree with the article, yes, let's call the democrats the Democratic Socialist Party, and stick to that agreement, and maybe he'll go away.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:05:53am |
re: #453 Killgore Trout
I also think that much of what they are labeling "socialist" (Bank bailouts, TARP, etc) are temporary emergency measures. Not a permanent policy of nationalizing banks.
Avanti want attention again. So, everyone, I have a proposition, just agree with the article, yes, let's call the democrats the Democratic Socialist Party, and stick to that agreement, and maybe he'll go away.
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Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 7:05:59am |
re: #453 Killgore Trout
I also think that much of what they are labeling "socialist" (Bank bailouts, TARP, etc) are temporary emergency measures. Not a permanent policy of nationalizing banks.
In 1995 the House Republicans called balancing the budget a "moral imperative". I want to know if they still feel this way, and if not- why? If they do, then what are they going to do about it?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:06:07am |
re: #456 pingjockey
That I'm not sure about, at all.
Avanti want attention again. So, everyone, I have a proposition, just agree with the article, yes, let's call the democrats the Democratic Socialist Party, and stick to that agreement, and maybe he'll go away.
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VioletTiger Wed, May 13, 2009 7:06:10am |
re: #454 redstateredneck
When I was a teenager, I left my ring on the piano and my mother "disappeared" it to teach me a lesson. Problem was, she forgot where she put it and it never reappeared.
Ouch! I don't think I ever did that. I would feel so guilty.
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 7:06:36am |
Flying Pig moment? The LA Times! is causing a stink about the feds witholding 7 billion from Cali if the SEIU doesn't get their raises!
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redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 7:06:59am |
re: #461 VioletTiger
Ouch! I don't think I ever did that. I would feel so guilty.
She did feel guilty! At least she admitted to me what she'd done.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:07:00am |
We need to leave stuff lying around, or if our civilization is suddenly destroyed, archaeologists won't have anything to study.
/
(Anyone remember the book Motel of the Mysteries ?
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:09:30am |
re: #426 Sharmuta
I met a young man that, when he was in college, shipped his laundry home. His mother would wash it and send it back. Don't be that mom.
Oh, dear me. That is disgusting! What the heck kind of lessons had he learned?!
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Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 7:09:50am |
re: #467 MandyManners
Oh, dear me. That is disgusting! What the heck kind of lessons had he learned?!
He got a wife.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:10:33am |
re: #428 Walter L. Newton
They don't need a warrant.
Yes, they do. As agents of the state CPS workers are required to get a warrant to enter a dwelling. The force of the law is behind them so, they must obey the same rules that cops must follow.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:11:27am |
re: #429 pingjockey
I'll just bet. My wife has a thing about ramen noodles and hot dogs. That is all they could afford.
I cannot imagine that kind of economic stress on top of the normal stresses of being a divorced parent.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:11:57am |
re: #430 soxfan4life
I'm sure you will. He's a lucky boy, there are alot of 2 parent families out there who are not as involved their childrens lives as you seem to be.
And one day they wake up and wonder what went wrong.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, May 13, 2009 7:13:00am |
re: #467 MandyManners
Oh, dear me. That is disgusting! What the heck kind of lessons had he learned?!
At least she didn't come to the school to pick it up.
idiot moms = idiot sons/
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avanti Wed, May 13, 2009 7:13:33am |
re: #455 Sharmuta
I was just going to ask him if he accepts the veracity of evolution. That might do the same thing.
Not only do I accept it, I've studied it. If you recall I posted one reason I fear the religious right was watching my sons science teacher reduced to tears after being told she was going to hell for teaching evolution.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:13:37am |
French kissing ups risk of oral HPV infection
Is the WHO going to ask the French to stop kissing?
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:13:37am |
re: #438 Sharmuta
My grandmother has, on more than one occasion, enjoyed telling me the tale of her first few weeks of marriage with my Air Force pilot grandfather.
He had a habit of leaving his clothes out where ever they hit the floor, so she told him that if he couldn't put things in the hamper, she wouldn't wash them. Every thing went fine until one morning, he didn't have proper dress clothes for an officers meeting.
Don't let this be your daughter-in-law.
LOL! I bet that taught him!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:14:40am |
re: #473 avanti
Not only do I accept it, I've studied it. If you recall I posted one reason I fear the religious right was watching my sons science teacher reduced to tears after being told she was going to hell for teaching evolution.
Well, she will.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:14:47am |
re: #471 MandyManners
And one day they wake up and wonder what went wrong.
My defense attorney wife has commented on parents who have no idea what their kids (her clients, charged with some criminal offense) are doing, and think they're nice kids, despite court records. (Not first offenders)
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 7:15:33am |
'Peace dividend' won't erase deficits
Military spending is projected to fall to its lowest level as a percentage of gross domestic product since Bill Clinton was president, budget documents released Monday show. But unlike in the 1990s, when a post-Soviet "peace dividend" helped usher in a period of budget surpluses, the current cuts will barely dent the massive deficits foreseen long into the future.
The White House said that military spending, measured as a percentage of GDP, will drop to 3.1 percent in 2019, the lowest level since 2001. Yet the government's red ink this fiscal year was estimated to reach a record $1.84 trillion, nearly $100 billion more than its previous projection.
"The peace dividend cannot bridge the deficit gap," said Diane Lim Rogers of the nonpartisan Concord Coalition, which advocates fiscal restraint. "We have so many other spending needs and wants ... that the situation is much worse" than a decade ago.
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KenJen Wed, May 13, 2009 7:15:56am |
re: #448 Sharmuta
I agree. I want so ideas I can rally around.
Me too. I haven't heard any good ones from Steele. He seems like a nice guy but you know what they say about nice guys. We need a strong leader heading up the RNC and I'm just not getting the vibe from Steele. What about Rudy G?
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avanti Wed, May 13, 2009 7:16:04am |
re: #460 Walter L. Newton
Avanti want attention again. So, everyone, I have a proposition, just agree with the article, yes, let's call the democrats the Democratic Socialist Party, and stick to that agreement, and maybe he'll go away.
OK, Walter still wants to fight and I'm still not in the mood. I'll stay away for a day or two and try again.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:16:07am |
re: #462 pingjockey
Flying Pig moment? The LA Times! is causing a stink about the feds witholding 7 billion from Cali if the SEIU doesn't get their raises!
Oh, dear me. The feds are really over-stepping.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:16:52am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 7:17:26am |
This is cool.....
Coil Gun with laser sight
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:17:41am |
re: #477 Kosh's Shadow
My defense attorney wife has commented on parents who have no idea what their kids (her clients, charged with some criminal offense) are doing, and think they're nice kids, despite court records. (Not first offenders)
Every time some juvie gets pinched for a murder or shooting in Seattle, media goes and finds mom, they never find dad, to go on camera and say what a nice kid and that he'd never do anything like that. The cops are racist or persecuting their good little boy.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:18:23am |
re: #472 Spare O'Lake
At least she didn't come to the school to pick it up.
idiot moms = idiot sons/
I'm just trying to imagine the smell of a package of dirty laundry that's been shipped during warm weather.
*gag*
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J.D. Wed, May 13, 2009 7:18:24am |
Maybe the Republicans should have voted to call what's happening "Gangster Government".
White House puts UAW ahead of property rights
By: Michael Barone
...The Chrysler negotiations will not be the last occasion for this administration to engage in bailout favoritism and crony capitalism. There’s a May 31 deadline to come up with a settlement for General Motors. And there will be others. In the meantime, who is going to buy bonds from unionized companies if the government is going to take their money away and give it to the union? We have just seen an episode of Gangster Government. It is likely to be part of a continuing series.
Steve Rattner and 'Gangster Government'
I’ve gotten quite a few hits on the web version of my Examiner column Wednesday on the Chrysler deal in which I said we were seeing an episode of Gangster Government. Another thought on this has occurred to me.Remember that bondholder lawyer Tom Lauria said that an Obama administration official threatened that the White House press corps would destroy his client’s reputation unless it agreed to the White House Chrysler deal.
The threat sounds just a tad bit bizarre: most members of the White House press corps may be pussycats for the Obama administration, but it’s not very likely they’re going to go out of their way to investigate and blacken the name of a bondholder firm. But let’s assume that the White House official in question was Steve Rattner, and keep in mind the fact that Lauria and his client are based in New York.
They might very well know that Steve Rattner is reputed to be one of the best friends of Arthur Sulzberger Jr., publisher of the New York Times. The threat starts to sound like a threat of character assassination by the NYT. Of course it may be true that it would be out of character for Rattner (who was once a very good NYT reporter himself) to suggest a story line to Sulzberger or to a Times reporter—or it may not.
Mickey Kaus makes the useful point that hedge funds are afraid of bad publicity or indeed of any publicity because they fear it will prompt their investors to redeem, i.e., take their money out of the firm. And the NYT would be one newspaper that just about every investor would see every day.
Of course, as we all know, the New York Times would never engage in character assassination... right?
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:18:35am |
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 7:19:24am |
re: #443 njdhockeyfan
This is interesting...
Interesting, indeed.
The GOP ought to be actively building a coalition with this group.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:20:16am |
re: #480 avanti
OK, Walter still wants to fight and I'm still not in the mood. I'll stay away for a day or two and try again.
Take your time.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:20:44am |
re: #485 MandyManners
I'm just trying to imagine the smell of a package of dirty laundry that's been shipped during warm weather.
*gag*
I heard a story of someone in college whose roomate got real sick from drinking, then left for break without cleaning it up. He packaged all the stuff up in plastic bags and mailed it to the guilty party's parents.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, May 13, 2009 7:20:49am |
re: #473 avanti
Not only do I accept it, I've studied it. If you recall I posted one reason I fear the religious right was watching my sons science teacher reduced to tears after being told she was going to hell for teaching evolution.
How long have you been watching her?
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acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 7:20:50am |
re: #462 pingjockey
Flying Pig moment? The LA Times! is causing a stink about the feds witholding 7 billion from Cali if the SEIU doesn't get their raises!
I was forced into SEIU when I was first employed. I then rerouted my dues to charity, as per union rules said I could if I disagreed with the union activities. That was the third or fourth week of my employment. Fuck SEIU, and the commie unicorns the rode in on.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:22:00am |
re: #477 Kosh's Shadow
My defense attorney wife has commented on parents who have no idea what their kids (her clients, charged with some criminal offense) are doing, and think they're nice kids, despite court records. (Not first offenders)
I routinely "violate his privacy" when I tidy his room or just go looking to see what I can find. I'm gonna' do the best I can to be all over his life when he gets more freedom.
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 7:22:42am |
re: #490 Kosh's Shadow
I heard a story of someone in college whose roomate got real sick from drinking, then left for break without cleaning it up. He packaged all the stuff up in plastic bags and mailed it to the guilty party's parents.
Marge: Homer, I don't want you drinking tonight. Remember what happened at the Hibbert's Christmas party last year?
Homer: Uh...no.
Marge: You threw up in their laundry hamper.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:22:47am |
re: #486 J.D.
Maybe the Republicans should have voted to call what's happening "Gangster Government".
White House puts UAW ahead of property rights
By: Michael BaroneOf course, as we all know, the New York Times would never engage in character assassination... right?
Barone blew the first line. It's a pentastar, not a pentagram.
/new rumor; chrysler is satanic
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Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 7:22:50am |
re: #480 avanti
OK, Walter still wants to fight and I'm still not in the mood. I'll stay away for a day or two and try again.
That's so democrat. Ignore it for a few days, and we'll forget all about it.
That might work on the overall electorate, but not Lizards.
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 7:22:56am |
re: #487 JCM
Peace dividends lead to weakness.
Weakness leads to war.
Maybe they should cancel stupid programs like this and give the money to our military...
(CNSNews.com) -- The National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAA), a part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), will pay $2.6 million in U.S. tax dollars to train Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly on the job.
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Gus Wed, May 13, 2009 7:23:09am |
Smokers, drinkers to carry tax burden?
If you make big bucks — or enjoy alcohol, cigarettes and Coke — the government might hit you up to pay for fixing the nation’s health care system.
On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee peeked into vending machines and liquor stores, company payrolls and health savings accounts, looking for a mix of tax increases and spending cuts as a way to pay for a health overhaul — which could cost more than $1.5 trillion over 10 years.
Experts thought the big debate might be public plan vs. no public plan. But that may well pale in comparison to the difficulty of settling on a way to finance health care reform.
SOS - the "other people" foot the bill.
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acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 7:23:17am |
re: #493 MandyManners
I routinely "violate his privacy" when I tidy his room or just go looking to see what I can find. I'm gonna' do the best I can to be all over his life when he gets more freedom.
My little buggers are going to have GPS trackers, RFID implants, black boxes on their cars, and video surveillance on them.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:23:18am |
re: #484 JCM
Every time some juvie gets pinched for a murder or shooting in Seattle, media goes and finds mom, they never find dad, to go on camera and say what a nice kid and that he'd never do anything like that. The cops are racist or persecuting their good little boy.
Perhaps that's because it's easier to find the moms 'cause the dads are in the wind.
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:23:37am |
re: #473 avanti
Not only do I accept it, I've studied it. If you recall I posted one reason I fear the religious right was watching my sons science teacher reduced to tears after being told she was going to hell for teaching evolution.
Those people are idiots and have failed to read he Bible in even a most cursory way.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, May 13, 2009 7:24:02am |
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Spare O'Lake Wed, May 13, 2009 7:24:17am |
re: #485 MandyManners
I'm just trying to imagine the smell of a package of dirty laundry that's been shipped during warm weather.
*gag*
LOL.
It's a bad sign if the skid-marks are declared on the waybill.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:24:23am |
re: #493 MandyManners
I routinely "violate his privacy" when I tidy his room or just go looking to see what I can find. I'm gonna' do the best I can to be all over his life when he gets more freedom.
And he'll turn out fine.
Our daughter does deal with criminals, but she's case manager for a drug court.
Soon, she'll go on for her PhD; she wants to be a mental health counselor (and has been one before she moved to Maryland, where her fiancee finished the Maryland State Police academy)
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:24:26am |
re: #490 Kosh's Shadow
I heard a story of someone in college whose roomate got real sick from drinking, then left for break without cleaning it up. He packaged all the stuff up in plastic bags and mailed it to the guilty party's parents.
Good show!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:24:47am |
re: #496 Sharmuta
That's so democrat. Ignore it for a few days, and we'll forget all about it.
That might work on the overall electorate, but not Lizards.
He's going to the casino at Atlantic City for a few days. He does it twice a month (as per his own schedule) and that's all. So much more a typical democrat, he's whining and making believe that he is really hurt. Buck up Avanti.
| 507 |
KenJen Wed, May 13, 2009 7:25:33am |
re: #485 MandyManners
I'm just trying to imagine the smell of a package of dirty laundry that's been shipped during warm weather.
*gag*
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:25:37am |
re: #500 MandyManners
Perhaps that's because it's easier to find the moms 'cause the dads are in the wind.
Or in prison, where they'd say "That's my boy!"
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 7:26:32am |
Good Morning. Obama is now addressing the nation about his healthcare initiative to provide coverage for the estimated 46 million uninsured.
Hard to srgue with the concept, but the government plan will be available to employers. It will be cheaper than private coverage & employers will to a large extent opt into the government program.
Plan on rationing & long waits as we migrate to a single payer.
The WHO views the British plan as the worst of all developed countries.
FNC reported that Britain had 25,000 cancer deaths last year & they suspect denial of or under treatment.
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:27:00am |
re: #500 MandyManners
Perhaps that's because it's easier to find the moms 'cause the dads are in the wind.
That there is the thing no one talks about. When they look at crime they look at ecomonics, race everything else.
It's something like ¾ of all criminals in the system come from single parent (usually moms) households.
It's not the mom's fault. I blame the SWINGING DICKS WHO DON'T LIVE UP TO THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AS MEN!
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reine.de.tout Wed, May 13, 2009 7:27:02am |
re: #411 soxfan4life
It didn't kill him, but it frustated the hell out of me. Had to learn to just let it go.
Yep.
And it has seemed to me, as my daughter gets older, there's more and more I have to just "let go", because it's her business and not mine.
The hardest thing to do . . .
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 7:27:41am |
re: #462 pingjockey
Flying Pig moment? The LA Times! is causing a stink about the feds witholding 7 billion from Cali if the SEIU doesn't get their raises!
Sure. This is a threat made by Obama, and is patently illegal. He has no power to pass or modify bills; that's the job of Congress. If he wants a change, he can go back the the Legislative Branch and ask them to pass one. Otherwise, he can stuff it.
It is also obviously a political quid pro quo; the unions actively endorsed 0 during the elections, and went directly to him in February when these cuts were proposed, demanding that he do something about it. It's a transparent payback.
With Pelosi in the Speaker's position, such a targeted cutoff aimed at her home state doesn't stand much of a chance. Look for Obama to turn his back on her present troubles over waterboarding, and throw her under the bus at the first opportunity.
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acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 7:28:04am |
re: #509 opnion
Good Morning. Obama is now addressing the nation about his healthcare initiative to provide coverage for the estimated 46 million uninsured.
Hard to srgue with the concept, but the government plan will be available to employers. It will be cheaper than private coverage & employers will to a large extent opt into the government program.
Plan on rationing & long waits as we migrate to a single payer.
The WHO views the British plan as the worst of all developed countries.
FNC reported that Britain had 25,000 cancer deaths last year & they suspect denial of or under treatment.
Rev up the lawyers, health care providers. Remember the poor performance of Medicaid and Medicare, and get ready for nationalized marginalization.
| 514 |
njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 7:28:18am |
re: #509 opnion
I just looked at the TV and Blinky was talking. What did O say?
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:28:28am |
re: #499 acwgusa
My little buggers are going to have GPS trackers, RFID implants, black boxes on their cars, and video surveillance on them.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:28:54am |
re: #503 Spare O'Lake
LOL.
It's a bad sign if the skid-marks are declared on the waybill.
Now I'm totally squicked out.
| 517 |
lawhawk Wed, May 13, 2009 7:28:59am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It's gloriously sunny and pleasant outside, which is in stark contrast to the weather forcast for the end of the week (and weekend) here when it's supposed to rain and be miserable.
In any event, the NYS culture of corruption has a new member, as Antonia Novella, the former state health commissioner, is finding herself in hot water after being charged with stealing state funds and using state workers to run personal chores. Classy. Of course, it's the same stuff that Alan Hevesi did, which begs the question what exactly Eliot Spitzer was doing while State Attorney General.
Oh yes, he was busy shaking down Wall Street instead of going after corrupt politicians in Albany, which remains a cesspool of scum and villainy.
| 518 |
MrSilverDragon Wed, May 13, 2009 7:29:17am |
re: #509 opnion
Good Morning. Obama is now addressing the nation about his healthcare initiative to provide coverage for the estimated 46 million uninsured.
Hard to srgue with the concept, but the government plan will be available to employers. It will be cheaper than private coverage & employers will to a large extent opt into the government program.
Plan on rationing & long waits as we migrate to a single payer.
The WHO views the British plan as the worst of all developed countries.
FNC reported that Britain had 25,000 cancer deaths last year & they suspect denial of or under treatment.
And wait to see how many "pre-existing conditions" mean no treatments... yeah, I'm not happy about it.
| 519 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:29:47am |
re: #509 opnion
Good Morning. Obama is now addressing the nation about his healthcare initiative to provide coverage for the estimated 46 million uninsured.
Hard to srgue with the concept, but the government plan will be available to employers. It will be cheaper than private coverage & employers will to a large extent opt into the government program.
Plan on rationing & long waits as we migrate to a single payer.
The WHO views the British plan as the worst of all developed countries.
FNC reported that Britain had 25,000 cancer deaths last year & they suspect denial of or under treatment.
I can see small companies especially moving to the government program. Their costs are higher. When I worked at a company with 11 employees, their plan total cost was higher than we could get from Mass Bar Association for better coverage. However, they covered 80% of the bill, so it was cheaper for us, until I got laid off.
Obama is ruining the country. I'm not sure some of the damage he's doing can be repaired at all, especially in our international status.
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Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 7:30:15am |
Wanna hear a nutty Paulian Lew Rockwell fan squeal like a girl? Of course you do.....
Raw: Pastor Beaten & Tased by Border Patrol & DPS
This guy has been posting videos of himself harassing cops for years.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:30:17am |
re: #504 Kosh's Shadow
And he'll turn out fine.
Our daughter does deal with criminals, but she's case manager for a drug court.
Soon, she'll go on for her PhD; she wants to be a mental health counselor (and has been one before she moved to Maryland, where her fiancee finished the Maryland State Police academy)
She has guts. No way could I do that job. Pretty soon I'd flip out and start whacking clients with my clue-by-four.
| 522 |
Honorary Yooper Wed, May 13, 2009 7:30:38am |
re: #512 SixDegrees
It's a part of Obama's political culture. Political quid pro quo is very typical of Chicago politics. It is how they operate on a day-to-day basis.
| 523 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:30:53am |
re: #488 SixDegrees
Interesting, indeed.
The GOP ought to be actively building a coalition with this group.
There definitely needs to be more attention paid to the health care issue. Who here likes the idea of having to wait a year or two to get a hip replacement? Or being denied critical care if you're over 70? Not me.
| 524 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:31:15am |
re: #509 opnion
Good Morning. Obama is now addressing the nation about his healthcare initiative to provide coverage for the estimated 46 million uninsured.
Hard to srgue with the concept, but the government plan will be available to employers. It will be cheaper than private coverage & employers will to a large extent opt into the government program.
Plan on rationing & long waits as we migrate to a single payer.
The WHO views the British plan as the worst of all developed countries.
FNC reported that Britain had 25,000 cancer deaths last year & they suspect denial of or under treatment.
And how does this help anyone who's employer DOESN"T offer any health care, or how does this help the unemployed?
| 525 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 7:31:26am |
re: #520 Killgore Trout
About half way through you get some dramatic music. Heh.
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ConservatismNow! Wed, May 13, 2009 7:31:34am |
re: #510 JCM
I've heard of cases where there are THREE GENERATIONS of single mothers living under 1 roof! Teenager, her mom, and her grandmother! And the grandmother is only in her 50s!
| 527 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:31:42am |
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 7:32:01am |
The One is playing politics with our safety again. This time it's with the Brits.
Obama threatens to limit U.S. intel with Brits
The Obama administration says it may curtail Anglo-American intelligence sharing if the British High Court discloses new details of the treatment of a former Guantanamo detainee.A court filing from the British Foreign Office released recently includes a letter from the U.S. government, identified as the "Obama administration's communication." Other information identifying the U.S. agency and author of the letter appears to have been redacted.
The letter says:
"If it is determined that [her majesty's government] is unable to protect information we provide to it, even if that inability is caused by your judicial system, we will necessarily have to review with the greatest care the sensitivity of information we can provide in the future."
The letter stands in contrast to President Obama's decision last month to release four memos from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel providing fresh detail on the CIA's enhanced interrogation program.
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 7:32:50am |
re: #523 Ward Cleaver
There's a book..."The Forever War", and if you are a certain age, have a disease of some kind. You get no care. To expensive for society and the state.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:33:06am |
re: #521 MandyManners
She has guts. No way could I do that job. Pretty soon I'd flip out and start whacking clients with my clue-by-four.
And my wife defends sex offenders in the hearings of whether they can get out and how dangerous they are.
She usually loses; they stay locked up, which is fine with both of us.
But I'd whack them with something harder than a clue-by-four, and you can guess where.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:33:16am |
re: #528 njdhockeyfan
The One is playing politics with our safety again. This time it's with the Brits.
So what's the big deal. Obama has been releasing info right and left about this and that, hell, the Brits are just following his example.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:33:19am |
re: #510 JCM
That there is the thing no one talks about. When they look at crime they look at ecomonics, race everything else.
It's something like ¾ of all criminals in the system come from single parent (usually moms) households.
It's not the mom's fault. I blame the SWINGING DICKS WHO DON'T LIVE UP TO THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AS MEN!
Well, the women are at fault for not having protected sex. Sex is one action that can have undeniable consequences.
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:33:34am |
re: #509 opnion
About a decade ago WA state mandated that insurance companies accept applicants with pre-existing conditions.
People would get sick, buy insurance get the treatments, then drop off the insurance.
Since then individual policies in WA are extremely hard to get, and very expensive.
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VioletTiger Wed, May 13, 2009 7:33:34am |
re: #498 Gus 802
Smokers, drinkers to carry tax burden?
SOS - the "other people" foot the bill.
That's the way the libs sell all of their policies. 'This won't hurt you; it's them we want to screw.' Works most of the time.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:33:58am |
re: #524 Walter L. Newton
And how does this help anyone who's employer DOESN"T offer any health care, or how does this help the unemployed?
You'd be able to buy into the government program, probably.
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 7:34:32am |
re: #514 njdhockeyfan
I just looked at the TV and Blinky was talking. What did O say?
He wants a bill by July that will cover the estimated 64 million uninsureed Americans. Looks like he has the votes & to me it looks like a step to sinlge payer becuse he will allow employers to opt into the less expensive government plan.
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:34:38am |
Morning all. Hey yesterday a few of you guys were lamenting about McKiernan being forced out but McChrystal soulnds like one bad ass mo fo.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:34:40am |
re: #526 ConservatismNow!
I've heard of cases where there are THREE GENERATIONS of single mothers living under 1 roof! Teenager, her mom, and her grandmother! And the grandmother is only in her 50s!
When I was on the FD a family that was a regular customer. One female was a grandmother, in her late 20's.
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pingjockey Wed, May 13, 2009 7:34:44am |
re: #526 ConservatismNow!
I have seen that in person, just a vicious cycle, aided and abetted by the nanny state.
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lawhawk Wed, May 13, 2009 7:35:00am |
re: #478 njdhockeyfan
It's not even a peace dividend because there isn't peace. The nation is still at war (or at least our enemies - all of them, including Iran, al Qaeda, are still at war with us) while North Korea, China and Russia are probing the US to see our weaknesses.
Cutting the defense budget is a huge mistake. Running up huge debt that will never be repaid is a colossal mistake. However, the military budget as a percentage of GDP is a function of overall spending, and with the porkfest throwing money out the window on fire, it skews the numbers.
Speaking of the porkfest and the Fed and Treasury's ability to count, it seems that no one in DC knows how to do basic math, let alone financial accounting for where all the money is going (and has gone).
The government would have been better off printing money and setting it alight, because that's about as responsible as they've been with our money as what they've done in actuality. No one knows where trillions of dollars have gone. Social Security is insolvent. Medicare is nearing insolvency.
Obama's solution? More entitlements that can't be afforded and taxes that will never cover more than a fraction of the cost. This is going to come to a head, and the results will not be pretty.
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smokefire Wed, May 13, 2009 7:35:19am |
[Link: www.courant.com...]
State of CT. failed to pass No Smoking Bill in the 2 Indian Casino's. I loved the excuse though.
According to State Legislators the reason for defeat was based on Tribal Sovereignty issues.
Lay translation..............If this bill passed, the tribes were going to withhold the millions of dollars in slot machine revenues that were to be paid to the State.
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 7:35:25am |
re: #531 Walter L. Newton
So what's the big deal. Obama has been releasing info right and left about this and that, hell, the Brits are just following his example.
I suspect the Brits info will show enhanced interrogations worked and O doesn't want that to be released.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:35:41am |
re: #533 JCM
About a decade ago WA state mandated that insurance companies accept applicants with pre-existing conditions.
People would get sick, buy insurance get the treatments, then drop off the insurance.
Since then individual policies in WA are extremely hard to get, and very expensive.
That's why in Massachusetts, everyone has to get health insurance, or they lose the personal deduction.
(There are exceptions for religion; after all, the Mother Church of Christian Science is in Boston.)
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:36:03am |
re: #528 njdhockeyfan
The One is playing politics with our safety again. This time it's with the Brits.
The letter stands in contrast to President Obama's decision last month to release four memos from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel providing fresh detail on the CIA's enhanced interrogation program.
Freaking hypocrites.
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 7:36:06am |
re: #524 Walter L. Newton
And how does this help anyone who's employer DOESN"T offer any health care, or how does this help the unemployed?
As I understand it the working uninsured would be covered as well as the unemployed not eligible for Medicaid.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:36:20am |
re: #535 Kosh's Shadow
You'd be able to buy into the government program, probably.
Not if you don't have the money. My point being, so far, I haven't seen ANYTHING that Obama has put into effect that has actually help people who are really poor, or really living on the edge, those that are doing their best, but certain things just aren't working out.
Big business has things covered, big government has things covered, but none of his programs actually help really needy people.
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:36:50am |
re: #535 Kosh's Shadow
Morning Kosh. btw that space debris was apparently from a "smashed" satellite according to AP. I'll have to go check out NASA TV to see if they are going to show a live feed of the hook up with Hubble.
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:37:02am |
re: #537 turn
Morning all. Hey yesterday a few of you guys were lamenting about McKiernan being forced out but McChrystal soulnds like one bad ass mo fo.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
I just hope we're not Vietnamizing Afghanistan. Patrol, kill some enemy go back to base.
Pakistan and Afghanistan have the same problem and threat. That needs to be dealt with.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 7:37:02am |
re: #530 Kosh's Shadow
And my wife defends sex offenders in the hearings of whether they can get out and how dangerous they are.
She usually loses; they stay locked up, which is fine with both of us.
But I'd whack them with something harder than a clue-by-four, and you can guess where.
Her losses are society's gains.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:37:38am |
re: #545 opnion
As I understand it the working uninsured would be covered as well as the unemployed not eligible for Medicaid.
Thanks.
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 7:37:39am |
re: #509 opnion
Good Morning. Obama is now addressing the nation about his healthcare initiative to provide coverage for the estimated 46 million uninsured.
Hard to srgue with the concept, but the government plan will be available to employers. It will be cheaper than private coverage & employers will to a large extent opt into the government program.
Plan on rationing & long waits as we migrate to a single payer.
The WHO views the British plan as the worst of all developed countries.
FNC reported that Britain had 25,000 cancer deaths last year & they suspect denial of or under treatment.
Haven't seen the details yet, and those are what will matter. But if the plan is to offer an alternative to the current private insurance option, perhaps it has it's place. Right now, my company offers a cafe plan; they pony up a fixed amount of benefit dollars, and offer a fairly wide selection of plans that the money can be applied to. There's typically enough in the company pot to cover the minimum-price plan; anything over that, and you kick in your own contribution, or reduce coverage in other areas, such as vision plan. Additional contributions are deducted from your salary pre-tax.
If the government plan just adds another choice, I have little problem with it. The market will decide whether it's worthwhile or not. Right now, not too many people opt for the minimal coverage, although there are a few who do. Generally, people decide to pay between a little and a lot more than what the company will pick up. If the government wants to participate in the free market this way, it's hard to see the downside.
Waiting for details on how such a plan will be financed, however, and for any Draconian measures the government will take to force their plan to the front of the line. There will inevitably be a large taxpayer component, I suppose, because they really aren't proposing an insurance plan, but a universal coverage plan.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:37:52am |
re: #536 opnion
He wants a bill by July that will cover the estimated 64 million uninsureed Americans. Looks like he has the votes & to me it looks like a step to sinlge payer becuse he will allow employers to opt into the less expensive government plan.
Sixty-four million? WTF? I can tell he pulled that number out of his ass, because it stinks.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:38:04am |
re: #547 turn
Morning Kosh. btw that space debris was apparently from a "smashed" satellite according to AP. I'll have to go check out NASA TV to see if they are going to show a live feed of the hook up with Hubble.
Space sex on TV.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:38:35am |
re: #540 lawhawk
It's not even a peace dividend because there isn't peace. The nation is still at war (or at least our enemies - all of them, including Iran, al Qaeda, are still at war with us) while North Korea, China and Russia are probing the US to see our weaknesses.
Cutting the defense budget is a huge mistake. Running up huge debt that will never be repaid is a colossal mistake. However, the military budget as a percentage of GDP is a function of overall spending, and with the porkfest throwing money out the window on fire, it skews the numbers.
Speaking of the porkfest and the Fed and Treasury's ability to count, it seems that no one in DC knows how to do basic math, let alone financial accounting for where all the money is going (and has gone).
The government would have been better off printing money and setting it alight, because that's about as responsible as they've been with our money as what they've done in actuality. No one knows where trillions of dollars have gone. Social Security is insolvent. Medicare is nearing insolvency.
Obama's solution? More entitlements that can't be afforded and taxes that will never cover more than a fraction of the cost. This is going to come to a head, and the results will not be pretty.
Dear Leader won't be happy until we've become another Venezuela.
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smokefire Wed, May 13, 2009 7:38:45am |
re: #548 JCM
............winning the hearts and minds?
That did not work in Nam, how do they expect it to work in Afghanistan?
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irongrampa Wed, May 13, 2009 7:39:44am |
Good morning from the Adirondacks, yet another superb day. Early Spring has got to be the best time of year, imo. The whole world is full of bright promise once more--love it.
Yesterday, as per Committe decision, the day was spent ripping tile up and painting the second bath. Today will see (I hope) the retile completed.
Can't stress enough how much I enjoy these little projects./
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Gus Wed, May 13, 2009 7:39:59am |
re: #534 VioletTiger
That's the way the libs sell all of their policies. 'This won't hurt you; it's them we want to screw.' Works most of the time.
Like the SCHIP program which benefits a lot of yuppie anti-smoking parents.
According to that article they want to tag on another 2 dollars to a pack of smokes. As I mentioned last night they're also talking about adding a tax on soft drinks, in addition to alcohol and snack foods.
This of course is only the beginning.
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 7:40:15am |
re: #524 Walter L. Newton
And how does this help anyone who's employer DOESN"T offer any health care, or how does this help the unemployed?
Those, indeed, are questions that need answering. There's little point in having the government offer a simple alternative insurance plan for the employed. They want universal coverage in one form or another, and the fact that they're not talking about that aspect of this plan strikes me as deceptive.
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vxbush Wed, May 13, 2009 7:41:02am |
Morning. If it is morning, which I doubt. Too many heavy clouds for it to be daylight.
Today, users suck. I prepped my lab so that everything was working well. Today, one of the machines won't boot. Stupid users.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:41:05am |
re: #536 opnion
He wants a bill by July that will cover the estimated 64 million uninsureed Americans. Looks like he has the votes & to me it looks like a step to sinlge payer becuse he will allow employers to opt into the less expensive government plan.
Which means every employer will dump health insurance, and push employees into the government plan, so they can save money. Once this gets in, it'll be like Social Security, sucking up every available dollar, and crippling the economy.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, May 13, 2009 7:41:32am |
re: #524 Walter L. Newton
And how does this help anyone who's employer DOESN"T offer any health care, or how does this help the unemployed?
Unemployed get welfare.
Unemployed over 50, report to the euthanasia center
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 7:41:41am |
More pleasant news about Hopeychange economics...
Trustees Say Entitlement Crisis to Hit Sooner Than Expected
The Social Security Board of Trustees releasted its latest report on the health of the Social Security system, and has projected that the cost of benefits will exceed payroll tax revenues in 2016 -- a year sooner than last year's report.
If that isn't depressing enough, "Medicare's financial status is much worse," the Trustees conclude. "As was true in 2008, Medicare's Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund is expected to pay out more in hospital benefits and other expenditures this year than it receives in taxes and other dedicated revenues. The difference will be made up by redeeming trust fund assets. Growing annual deficits are projected to exhaust HI reserves in 2017..."
This is the financial time bomb on top of which Obama has signed or proposed trillions in new spending, including pushing for national health care, the cost of which is likely to be around $1.5 trillion over the next ten years.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 7:41:44am |
re: #454 redstateredneck
When I was a teenager, I left my ring on the piano and my mother "disappeared" it to teach me a lesson. Problem was, she forgot where she put it and it never reappeared.
someplace at my parents house, are Army checks from the early 80's, that my mother hid so they wouldn't be stolen before i came back from training.....
still lost to this day: i had to request replacements and wait months more to get paid.
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:42:14am |
re: #548 JCM
I just hope we're not Vietnamizing Afghanistan. Patrol, kill some enemy go back to base.
Pakistan and Afghanistan have the same problem and threat. That needs to be dealt with.
Morning JCM. It doesn't seem like we have much choice in Pakistan, it's not like we can seize and hold ground. We are doing the hit and run there with Predators.
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 7:42:29am |
re: #554 Ward Cleaver
Sixty-four million? WTF? I can tell he pulled that number out of his ass, because it stinks.
64 million is the number that has been thrown around for years.
It does beg the question, who are they? How many are eligible for their employer sponsored plan , but opt out because they are young & healthy?
How many are actually not citizens?
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:42:30am |
re: #559 Gus 802
Like the SCHIP program which benefits a lot of yuppie anti-smoking parents.
According to that article they want to tag on another 2 dollars to a pack of smokes. As I mentioned last night they're also talking about adding a tax on soft drinks, in addition to alcohol and snack foods.
This of course is only the beginning.
Once cigarette taxes become too high, people will just stop buying them. That'll be the end of that revenue stream.
Reagan was right; Democrats are economic ignoramuses.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 7:42:35am |
re: #509 opnion
Good Morning. Obama is now addressing the nation about his healthcare initiative to provide coverage for the estimated 46 million uninsured.
Hard to srgue with the concept, but the government plan will be available to employers. It will be cheaper than private coverage & employers will to a large extent opt into the government program.
Plan on rationing & long waits as we migrate to a single payer.
The WHO views the British plan as the worst of all developed countries.
FNC reported that Britain had 25,000 cancer deaths last year & they suspect denial of or under treatment.
but at least it will be "fair"......
will members of Congress have to participate in it?
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:42:54am |
re: #532 MandyManners
Well, the women are at fault for not having protected sex. Sex is one action that can have undeniable consequences.
True, that's why I think the whole debate about abortion, birth control etc... for the conservative side should be about responsibility.
I'm hard core on holding swing dicks responsible for their spawn. Society should not give them a free ride. They WILL support the Child, they WILL WORK, or society will force them to work and take the the product of their labor to support the child.
I am beyond sick and tired of swinging dicks getting their jollies and walking away. Leaving a kid for society to pay for in so many ways.
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jaunte Wed, May 13, 2009 7:43:13am |
re: #537 turn
Morning all. Hey yesterday a few of you guys were lamenting about McKiernan being forced out but McChrystal soulnds like one bad ass mo fo.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
McChrystal has quite a health plan; one meal a day, and run wherever you're going.
| 572 |
lawhawk Wed, May 13, 2009 7:43:31am |
re: #559 Gus 802
As I posted yesterday, the soda tax component would raise perhaps $6 billion a year for four years. The costs for the Medicare prescription drug program run $100 billion a year.
The government keeps failing remedial math 101 - it keeps creating new entitlements that it cannot afford, and there's no way to pay for all the existing programs, let alone the new ones that will be even more costly.
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FrogMarch Wed, May 13, 2009 7:43:38am |
re: #509 opnion
Good Morning. Obama is now addressing the nation about his healthcare initiative to provide coverage for the estimated 46 million uninsured.
Hard to srgue with the concept, but the government plan will be available to employers. It will be cheaper than private coverage & employers will to a large extent opt into the government program.
Plan on rationing & long waits as we migrate to a single payer.
The WHO views the British plan as the worst of all developed countries.
FNC reported that Britain had 25,000 cancer deaths last year & they suspect denial of or under treatment.
The socialists are either diabolical or just wrong. The dems feel they have the answer, but as usual, their answer is bullshit and will only make our medical system worse. What's a few thousand more deaths? According to the socialists, people are expendable. You gotta die sometime.
The socialists continue to hide behind their trumped up statistics. No worries, however; the masses of eagerly enslaved will gladly swallow the pill.
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redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 7:43:41am |
re: #526 ConservatismNow!
I've heard of cases where there are THREE GENERATIONS of single mothers living under 1 roof! Teenager, her mom, and her grandmother! And the grandmother is only in her 50s!
Welcome to Mississippi.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, May 13, 2009 7:43:52am |
re: #530 Kosh's Shadow
And my wife defends sex offenders in the hearings of whether they can get out and how dangerous they are.
She usually loses; they stay locked up, which is fine with both of us.
But I'd whack them with something harder than a clue-by-four, and you can guess where.
Kudos to your wife for doing such tough, thankless work.
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 7:44:21am |
re: #562 Ward Cleaver
Which means every employer will dump health insurance, and push employees into the government plan, so they can save money.
Maybe. More likely, though, it would simply be added to existing cafe plans, which still allow choice and leave the amount of additional payment up to the employee.
It may wind up cutting the bottom out of such plans and reducing the employer-provided contribution, however.
| 577 |
turn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:44:26am |
re: #555 Walter L. Newton
ha. I see you chased out Avanti pretty early this AM. What did you do, threaten him with that gastrointestinal DVD?
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J.D. Wed, May 13, 2009 7:44:36am |
re: #495 Ward Cleaver
Barone blew the first line. It's a pentastar, not a pentagram.
/new rumor; chrysler is satanic
So that explains why their cars are so ... ugly.
[Just an opinion, Chrysler owners.]
Gathered From Many Different Sources
Wikipedia:
Pentagram
A pentagram (sometimes known as a pentalpha or pentangle or, more formally, as a star pentagon) is the shape of a five-pointed star drawn with five straight strokes. The word pentagram comes from the Greek word πεντάγραμμον (pentagrammon), a noun form of πεντάγραμμος (pentagrammos) or πεντέγραμμος (pentegrammos), a word meaning roughly "five-lined" or "five lines". ...
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:44:40am |
re: #567 opnion
64 million is the number that has been thrown around for years.
It does beg the question, who are they? How many are eligible for their employer sponsored plan , but opt out because they are young & healthy?
How many are actually not citizens?
I've always heard (and even heard the other day) 44 million. And that 44 million includes illegal aliens, people who are between jobs, and 14 million who are eligible for Medicaid, but haven't signed up.
| 580 |
Gus Wed, May 13, 2009 7:44:42am |
re: #568 Ward Cleaver
Once cigarette taxes become too high, people will just stop buying them. That'll be the end of that revenue stream.
Reagan was right; Democrats are economic ignoramuses.
Yes, it will further reduce sales. I guess it would be considered a regressive measure. Once that happens they'll be looking elsewhere to create new and even larger excise taxes: cable, internet, telecommunications, etc. Being that they are Democrats the possibilities are endless.
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irongrampa Wed, May 13, 2009 7:44:45am |
re: #568 Ward Cleaver
And of course we all realize that when the revenue stream dries up, the only recourse is raising taxes to recover it.
| 582 |
redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 7:44:46am |
re: #559 Gus 802
Like the SCHIP program which benefits a lot of yuppie anti-smoking parents.
According to that article they want to tag on another 2 dollars to a pack of smokes. As I mentioned last night they're also talking about adding a tax on soft drinks, in addition to alcohol and snack foods.
This of course is only the beginning.
time to break out the beer making kit. i should be able to make soda with it too. next step will be wine.......
| 583 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 7:44:51am |
The rise and rise of Russian nationalism
.....with a huge migrant population, poverty and unemployment among locals, and with the high oil prices that fuelled the economic boom of the past few years a fast-receding memory, many feel the time for Russia's nationalists to take the political initiative is coming soon.
Then there's Alexander Belov, Moscow's answer to the BNP's Nick Griffin. Dressed in a sharp black suit, the light of a Bluetooth receptor constantly winking over his left ear, he fingers a set of Orthodox Christian prayer beads and sips a freshly squeezed orange juice, looking like one of the thousands of well-to-do businessmen who have made decent money as Russia boomed over the past decade. But as well as being successful in the construction industry, Mr Belov is also Russia's most famous racist. He believes that the time for the nationalists to take the limelight is coming soon.
With a pic of them giving the Nazi salute. Why would they adopt the Nazi salute?
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redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 7:45:01am |
re: #565 redc1c4
someplace at my parents house, are Army checks from the early 80's, that my mother hid so they wouldn't be stolen before i came back from training.....
still lost to this day: i had to request replacements and wait months more to get paid.
As a "forgetful" mom now, I can empathize.
| 585 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:45:05am |
re: #560 SixDegrees
Those, indeed, are questions that need answering. There's little point in having the government offer a simple alternative insurance plan for the employed. They want universal coverage in one form or another, and the fact that they're not talking about that aspect of this plan strikes me as deceptive.
I have coverage, I won't go into details, but right now I have it, and it doesn't affect me financially in any way (except typical co-pays). But, my employer doesn't offer any sort of insurance, and for the last 4-5 years, I have sat on the edge of being unemployed.
In some sense, I could be in the position of actually needing help, real help someday.
And no, I really don't want to see nationalized health care, but, if it's going to be shoved down our throats, then at least it could be set up to actually help the most needy first.
Not just another government program that will turn around and only benefit big business and be full of holes, holes that the really needy will simply fall through.
Change my ass.
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:45:43am |
re: #557 smokefire
............winning the hearts and minds?
That did not work in Nam, how do they expect it to work in Afghanistan?
We can win in Afghanistan
We just lost the political will to win IMHO.
| 587 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:45:51am |
re: #563 Alouette
Unemployed get welfare.
Unemployed over 50, report to the euthanasia center
Not funny. You make my point.
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:45:51am |
re: #558 irongrampa
Morning iron. Oh man, I feel the pain on that sarc tag. btw, what kind of tile did you go with?
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Gus Wed, May 13, 2009 7:45:52am |
re: #582 redc1c4
time to break out the beer making kit. i should be able to make soda with it too. next step will be wine.......
There you go. Personal stills and grape gardens.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:46:10am |
re: #562 Ward Cleaver
Which means every employer will dump health insurance, and push employees into the government plan, so they can save money. Once this gets in, it'll be like Social Security, sucking up every available dollar, and crippling the economy.
They'll drop coverage for most workers, and keep it for the execs. They won't want to be in the same lines as the rest of us.
And it is hard to argue with an insurance company now, but possible; arguing with the government will be much harder.
By the time you get through the bureaucracy, you'll be dead.
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 7:46:17am |
re: #564 njdhockeyfan
More pleasant news about Hopeychange economics...
What entitlement crisis? Didn't Harry Reid say just a few months ago that there was NO crisis at all, and that both SS, Medicare and Medicaid were solvent, not just for year, but for DECADES to come?
You're suggesting that Harry may not have told the whole truth, you know. And that can't possibly be true. Just ask Arlan Specter.
Oh, wait...
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Russkilitlover Wed, May 13, 2009 7:47:07am |
re: #546 Walter L. Newton
Big business has things covered, big government has things covered, but none of his programs actually help really needy people.
Did you think they would? But if you are one of the 700 homeowners in Mass that got a loan through Goldman Sachs, you'll get your payments reduced courtesy of the US taxpayer via Goldman's bailout bonanza.
So, you know, there's that. /
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 7:47:09am |
re: #562 Ward Cleaver
Which means every employer will dump health insurance, and push employees into the government plan, so they can save money. Once this gets in, it'll be like Social Security, sucking up every available dollar, and crippling the economy.
Logic tells you that will happen. The working uninsured need to be addressed & that has been conceded by almost all parties forever.
This looks like part of a larger agenda though.
With the exception of infant mortality we lead the world in all health indicators. Infant mortality is due to poor pre-natal care.
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:47:32am |
re: #561 vxbush
You need to give the users the boot! morning vx
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VioletTiger Wed, May 13, 2009 7:47:42am |
re: #567 opnion
64 million is the number that has been thrown around for years.
It does beg the question, who are they? How many are eligible for their employer sponsored plan , but opt out because they are young & healthy?
How many are actually not citizens?I'd like to know that as well.
On paper, I would say that my husband may show up as 'uninsured'. His company offeres insurance plans, but mine is better so he just opts out of his companies plan.
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 7:47:50am |
re: #584 redstateredneck
As a "forgetful" mom now, I can empathize.
there's a difference between "forgetful" and "unhinged"......
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 7:48:21am |
re: #569 redc1c4
but at least it will be "fair"......
will members of Congress have to participate in it?
It does not look like Congress will be in. Even if they were, they would move to the head of the line.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:48:23am |
re: #590 Kosh's Shadow
They'll drop coverage for most workers, and keep it for the execs. They won't want to be in the same lines as the rest of us.
And it is hard to argue with an insurance company now, but possible; arguing with the government will be much harder.
By the time you get through the bureaucracy, you'll be dead.
That's what they're counting on.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, May 13, 2009 7:48:40am |
re: #537 turn
Morning all. Hey yesterday a few of you guys were lamenting about McKiernan being forced out but McChrystal soulnds like one bad ass mo fo.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
. . . former intelligence officials say that he had an encyclopedic, even obsessive, knowledge about the lives of terrorists, and that he pushed his ranks aggressively to kill as many of them as possible.
Sounds good to me
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 7:48:55am |
re: #587 Walter L. Newton
Not funny. You make my point.
You mean Soylent Green wasn't a documentary?
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:48:59am |
re: #575 Creeping Eruption
Kudos to your wife for doing such tough, thankless work.
Thanks. She knows she's protecting the rights of everyone by making sure the government justifies it when they take away someone's freedom.
Just by having trials and hearings, we make sure they don't just lock someone up without a good reason. Thus, the cases she actually gets are the losers.
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:49:19am |
re: #571 jaunte
McChrystal has quite a health plan; one meal a day, and run wherever you're going.
No kidding, 12 mi. each way. The guy doesn't look 55 to me, he looks like he is 40 or so. morning jaunte
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:49:34am |
re: #594 opnion
Logic tells you that will happen. The working uninsured need to be addressed & that has been conceded by almost all parties forever.
This looks like part of a larger agenda though.
With the exception of infant mortality we lead the world in all health indicators. Infant mortality is due to poor pre-natal care.
Once we have Obamacare, where will all the Canadians and Brits who have money go for superior healthcare?
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 7:49:34am |
re: #594 opnion
Logic tells you that will happen. The working uninsured need to be addressed & that has been conceded by almost all parties forever.
This looks like part of a larger agenda though.
With the exception of infant mortality we lead the world in all health indicators. Infant mortality is due to poor pre-natal care.
and lots of babies being born alive here that would be stillborn anywhere else....
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irongrampa Wed, May 13, 2009 7:50:03am |
re: #588 turn
A premium grade vinyl, no ceramic, too much prep required far's I'm concerned. If you do it right, the job will last for years.
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SixDegrees Wed, May 13, 2009 7:50:13am |
re: #590 Kosh's Shadow
They'll drop coverage for most workers, and keep it for the execs. They won't want to be in the same lines as the rest of us.
And it is hard to argue with an insurance company now, but possible; arguing with the government will be much harder.
By the time you get through the bureaucracy, you'll be dead.
Sure. Canada figured this out a long time ago - it's much, much cheaper to pay out death benefits than it is to treat the sick, especially the chronically ill.
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 7:50:19am |
re: #596 VioletTiger
It is an interesting question if you show up as uninsured in the government data base if you are on someone elses plan.
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 7:50:29am |
re: #604 Ward Cleaver
Once we have Obamacare, where will all the Canadians and Brits who have money go for superior healthcare?
Cuba!
/Michael Moore
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:51:29am |
re: #576 SixDegrees
Maybe. More likely, though, it would simply be added to existing cafe plans, which still allow choice and leave the amount of additional payment up to the employee.
It may wind up cutting the bottom out of such plans and reducing the employer-provided contribution, however.
What will happen is the same thing when HMOs replaced indemnity plans.
The HMOs were cheaper, so people who were healthy went there; the people with health problems didn't want to change doctors or systems, so they stayed. The indemnity plans had no pool of healthy people to spread the risk on, so they got so expensive no one could afford them and everyone ended up in HMOs and PPOs.
Same thing here. People who don't need much medical care will go to the cheapest plan (the government one), and the private plans will get more and more expensive until no one can afford them.
Viola - national health care, without forcing anyone.
Evil plan.
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acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 7:51:33am |
re: #554 Ward Cleaver
Sixty-four million? WTF? I can tell he pulled that number out of his ass, because it stinks.
And it is total bullshit. Medicare and Medicaid studies through USHHSA has show it isn't even remotely that close.
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:51:53am |
re: #603 turn
No kidding, 12 mi. each way. The guy doesn't look 55 to me, he looks like he is 40 or so. morning jaunte
Let's hope his orders make sense.
"Go win, get back to me when you're done."
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J.S. Wed, May 13, 2009 7:51:56am |
re: #528 njdhockeyfan
Did you read page 2 of this article? hmmm...the lawyer representing Mr. Mo (the lawyer's name is Smith and he's an American) is arguing that the threat made by the Obama administration is a crime: "Mr. Smith said he is scheduled to meet with the [British] Metropolitan Police next week. 'One of the questions that will come up is whether these statements by the U.S. government are an independent crime that should be investigated,' he said."
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 7:52:08am |
re: #599 Ward Cleaver
That's what they're counting on.
Didn't Pelosi actually imply that abortion was healthy for Social Security solvency?
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:52:38am |
re: #600 Creeping Eruption
Sounds good to me
Morning CE, yeah I felt pretty good after reading that article. I'm just wondering whether the NYT just pulled off a puff piece or not, can that guy really be that much of a bad ass mo fo. I think so.
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Gus Wed, May 13, 2009 7:52:38am |
re: #599 Ward Cleaver
That's what they're counting on.
Getting health coverage with the government will be not unlike going to your local planning and zoning department. Fill out a ton of forms and wait one-year for your application to go through.
I can see it now. With difficult health problems they'll create a health-commission similar to a planning commission or city council to decide the fate of your coverage and/or life. You will be allowed to appeal to a (government) higher authority.
/Prognosticating.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, May 13, 2009 7:52:44am |
re: #602 Kosh's Shadow
Thanks. She knows she's protecting the rights of everyone by making sure the government justifies it when they take away someone's freedom.
Just by having trials and hearings, we make sure they don't just lock someone up without a good reason. Thus, the cases she actually gets are the losers.
I understand and agree. My brother was an Appellate Defender in a major metro area.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:52:58am |
re: #586 JCM
We can win in Afghanistan
We just lost the political will to win IMHO.
The One won, and that's enough for the country.
/////////
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:52:58am |
re: #606 irongrampa
A premium grade vinyl, no ceramic, too much prep required far's I'm concerned. If you do it right, the job will last for years.
What kind of vinyl tile did you buy? We want to re-do our kitchen, laundry room, bathrooms, and entry (it's a cheap builder-grade sheet vinyl now). We're thinking of pulling it all up and going with peel-and-stick tiles.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:53:09am |
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redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 7:53:11am |
re: #607 SixDegrees
Sure. Canada figured this out a long time ago - it's much, much cheaper to pay out death benefits than it is to treat the sick, especially the chronically ill.
look for care based upon past behavior: a smoker with COPD or emphysema?
here's your albuterol and some O2..... next? you have lung cancer? have some pain pills. nope, sorry, fentanyl patches aren't covered and since you smoked, you aren;t eligible for chemo or surgery.
next?
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acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 7:53:27am |
re: #616 Gus 802
Getting health coverage with the government will be not unlike going to your local planning and zoning department. Fill out a ton of forms and wait one-year for your application to go through.
I can see it now. With difficult health problems they'll create a health-commission similar to a planning commission or city council to decide the fate of your coverage and/or life. You will be allowed to appeal to a (government) higher authority.
/Prognosticating.
We have state health care managed boards like that here in CA. Naturally, they suck.
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Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 7:53:51am |
re: #583 Killgore Trout
The rise and rise of Russian nationalism
With a pic of them giving the Nazi salute. Why would they adopt the Nazi salute?
Russia's gone fascist.
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J.D. Wed, May 13, 2009 7:53:53am |
re: #567 opnion
64 million is the number that has been thrown around for years.
It does beg the question, who are they? How many are eligible for their employer sponsored plan , but opt out because they are young & healthy?
How many are actually not citizens?
Exactly.
They never bother mentioning that.
Senate eyes tax change to pay for health insurance
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Experts urged Congress on Tuesday to cut tax breaks for employer-sponsored health insurance as a way to help pay to cover people without benefits.
The Senate Finance Committee, which is taking a lead in writing legislation to overhaul the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare system, is weighing spending cuts and tax increases to help cover the cost of expanding coverage to 46 million uninsured people.
Politicians, industry and the medical profession agree the situation is dire and a report to be released later Tuesday was expected to give a bleak assessment of Medicare, the government health program that covers seniors. Medicare is currently forecast to run out of money to pay hospitals by 2019, but the recession could push that date sooner.
Congress is looking closely at capping tax benefits for employer-provided healthcare, an option President Barack Obama and labor unions oppose. Currently employers can deduct the cost of the benefit and employees do not pay income taxes on it. ...
I imagine they have invited at least a couple of "experts" who did not agree.
/
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quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 7:54:31am |
re: #447 FrogMarch
Madonna, on why she was leaving America to move to London with her infant, illegitimate daughter: "Because in England, they read books."
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:54:37am |
re: #614 opnion
Didn't Pelosi actually imply that abortion was healthy for Social Security solvency?
This will be retroactive abortion. Like Europe, we'll fill up with immigrants, because work will still have to get done.
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 7:54:37am |
re: #610 Kosh's Shadow
What will happen is the same thing when HMOs replaced indemnity plans.
The HMOs were cheaper, so people who were healthy went there; the people with health problems didn't want to change doctors or systems, so they stayed. The indemnity plans had no pool of healthy people to spread the risk on, so they got so expensive no one could afford them and everyone ended up in HMOs and PPOs.Same thing here. People who don't need much medical care will go to the cheapest plan (the government one), and the private plans will get more and more expensive until no one can afford them.
Viola - national health care, without forcing anyone.
Evil plan.
You have summed it up. There will be so much Adverse Selection against private plans that they will not be viable.
That is the plan or it would not be open to those beyond the uninsured pool.
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Creeping Eruption Wed, May 13, 2009 7:54:46am |
re: #615 turn
Morning CE, yeah I felt pretty good after reading that article. I'm just wondering whether the NYT just pulled off a puff piece or not, can that guy really be that much of a bad ass mo fo. I think so.
Too easy to double check. I'm guessing its probably true. Hope so.
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:55:04am |
re: #618 Kosh's Shadow
The One won, and that's enough for the country.
/////////
If he cuts McChrystal loose to kick ass and take names, and win. I'll give Obama the credit.
I don't see that happening.
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FrogMarch Wed, May 13, 2009 7:55:32am |
Health care represents the latest frontier in this drive to centrally manage the American economy.
Why would the industry agree to this preemptive surrender? Because it means the end of competition. Under the proposed agreement, the government would guarantee a certain level of profit for each health care producer. From the industry's point of view, the goal is to get a seat at the table as politicians and government technocrats "reform" health care—which means it will decide who the winners and losers will be.
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:55:33am |
re: #606 irongrampa
I recently completed about 1500 sq ft of Piazza tile, 12x12x3/4 Mexican paver style. What a friggin job that was. good luck
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jaunte Wed, May 13, 2009 7:55:49am |
re: #603 turn
Good morning, Turn; sorry for delayed reply, every so often the work day intervenes.
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J.S. Wed, May 13, 2009 7:56:05am |
re: #542 njdhockeyfan
The lawyers for the former Gitmo detainees are alleging that their clients were tortured, "We been tortured! Tortured I tell you!" and that's why the lawyers want certain paragraphs to go public (7 paragraphs which would "prove" torture by the US.) There's also a lawsuit against an airline which flew the Mo guys to torture centers (in "special renditions", as it's called)...
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:56:09am |
re: #625 quickjustice
Madonna, on why she was leaving America to move to London with her infant, illegitimate daughter: "Because in England, they read books."
Mainly the koran.
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FrogMarch Wed, May 13, 2009 7:56:21am |
re: #630 FrogMarch
Health care represents the latest frontier in this drive to centrally manage the American economy.
Why would the industry agree to this preemptive surrender? Because it means the end of competition. Under the proposed agreement, the government would guarantee a certain level of profit for each health care producer. From the industry's point of view, the goal is to get a seat at the table as politicians and government technocrats "reform" health care—which means it will decide who the winners and losers will be.
fixed..(paragraph should have been in quotes.)
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acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 7:56:38am |
re: #630 FrogMarch
Health care represents the latest frontier in this drive to centrally manage the American economy.
Why would the industry agree to this preemptive surrender? Because it means the end of competition. Under the proposed agreement, the government would guarantee a certain level of profit for each health care producer. From the industry's point of view, the goal is to get a seat at the table as politicians and government technocrats "reform" health care—which means it will decide who the winners and losers will be.
There would be more profit in health care if the government allowed full nationwide competition by health care companies. Health Care zones suck.
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Gus Wed, May 13, 2009 7:56:39am |
re: #621 redc1c4
look for care based upon past behavior: a smoker with COPD or emphysema?
here's your albuterol and some O2..... next? you have lung cancer? have some pain pills. nope, sorry, fentanyl patches aren't covered and since you smoked, you aren;t eligible for chemo or surgery.next?
They'll assign you a "social worker" and put you in a program to make you quit smoking first. Best case scenario I guess you can say. They have something similar in the UK and this also happens already in many other cases in the US.
Other things they'll be "controlling" will be weight and food consumption habits. Doctors will be highly regulated under new Federal guidelines so they'll be snooping around for any of those indicators.
Think EPA. //
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 7:56:48am |
re: #612 JCM
Let's hope his orders make sense.
"Go win, get back to me when you're done."
He seems like the type that would be there right with them if needed.
| 639 |
Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 7:57:03am |
re: #583 Killgore Trout
Russian Nationalism has been alive and well for hundreds of years. This is nothing new.
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Golem Akbar Wed, May 13, 2009 7:57:42am |
re: #492 acwgusa
I was forced into SEIU when I was first employed. I then rerouted my dues to charity, as per union rules said I could if I disagreed with the union activities. That was the third or fourth week of my employment. Fuck SEIU, and the commie unicorns the rode in on.
SEIU was in a representation election with several City Employee Unions. They were opposed by another, less-corrupt union, and lost (less corrupt is by a matter of degrees). The Times articles helped sink SEIU's chances. Here's one example of the MSM actually doing something positive.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:57:58am |
re: #631 turn
I recently completed about 1500 sq ft of Piazza tile, 12x12x3/4 Mexican paver style. What a friggin job that was. good luck
What scares the crap out of me about using ceramic tile is having to use thinset to level up the floor. I've had a couple of people, including a firefighter friend who works as a handyman in his spare time, offer to help.
| 643 |
JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 7:58:24am |
re: #638 turn
He seems like the type that would be there right with them if needed.
McChrystal isn't the problem, he'd git er done.
The problem will be political considerations back home.
1965 all over again.
| 644 |
irongrampa Wed, May 13, 2009 7:58:32am |
re: #619 Ward Cleaver
Peel and stick is great, it does necessitate a clean surface on installation, tho'. One thing I found is that when you start at mid-point in the room, use contact cement on the 4-block. Also, use it on the borders--this prevents the tiles from "migrating"--i.e.separating down the road. I went with Armstrong, having had great luck with them. The overriding thing is to use PREMIUM tile--the 45cent crap is just that.
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quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 7:58:54am |
re: #609 njdhockeyfan
I actually heard a radio ad recently on WCBS 880 for Cuban tourism. The ad actually said, in part, "Come to Cuba for the excellent medical care", quoting Michael Moore. I kid you not!
| 646 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 7:58:55am |
re: #637 Gus 802
They'll assign you a "social worker" and put you in a program to make you quit smoking first. Best case scenario I guess you can say. They have something similar in the UK and this also happens already in many other cases in the US.
Other things they'll be "controlling" will be weight and food consumption habits. Doctors will be highly regulated under new Federal guidelines so they'll be snooping around for any of those indicators.
Think EPA. //
In Britain, they can come to your house and do a "food census" to determine if you are eating healthy. Not a joke, for real.
| 647 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 7:59:09am |
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Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 7:59:14am |
re: #625 quickjustice
Madonna, on why she was leaving America to move to London with her infant, illegitimate daughter: "Because in England, they read books."
books written by Madonna
| 649 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 7:59:32am |
re: #630 FrogMarch
I know someone who is a mental health counselor who has been in private practice and worked at hospitals for years.
He's so fed up with the insurance bureaucracy that he thinks nationalized care will be better. I try to tell him it will be worse, but what he's dealing with now is so bad that he can't imagine it getting worse.
He'll see.
| 650 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 8:00:17am |
re: #623 Sharmuta
Very interesting. You'd think with the bitter history of Russia and fascism that they'd go a different direction.
| 651 |
turn Wed, May 13, 2009 8:00:19am |
re: #613 J.S.
Morning JS, I followed that comment back upthread ..
"The letter stands in contrast to President Obama's decision last month to release four memos from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel providing fresh detail on the CIA's enhanced interrogation program."
Didn't read the article yet but first thought was "how friggin hypocritical"
| 652 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 8:00:32am |
re: #570 JCM
True, that's why I think the whole debate about abortion, birth control etc... for the conservative side should be about responsibility.
I'm hard core on holding swing dicks responsible for their spawn. Society should not give them a free ride. They WILL support the Child, they WILL WORK, or society will force them to work and take the the product of their labor to support the child.
I am beyond sick and tired of swinging dicks getting their jollies and walking away. Leaving a kid for society to pay for in so many ways.
How can you force someone to work?
| 653 |
jaunte Wed, May 13, 2009 8:00:39am |
re: #646 Walter L. Newton
In Britain, they can come to your house and do a "food census" to determine if you are eating healthy. Not a joke, for real.
I can see that practice generating a lot of rebellious eating in response.
| 654 |
Gus Wed, May 13, 2009 8:01:07am |
re: #646 Walter L. Newton
In Britain, they can come to your house and do a "food census" to determine if you are eating healthy. Not a joke, for real.
Right, I read about that several months ago. They'll probably try something like that here and use the Obama "volunteer" corps to do that. Might not happen during his reign but it may take place in the coming years. The American left does use the UK as a role model.
| 655 |
FrogMarch Wed, May 13, 2009 8:01:14am |
re: #630 FrogMarch
Along similar lines, Medicare and Medicaid price controls have been squeezing doctors' fees for decades. As the federal government either converts private insurance companies into minutely regulated public utilities, creates a rival government health care payment system, or simply adopts a national single-payer (government entitlement) system, doctors rightfully worry that their fees will drop even further as government bureaucrats attempt to slash costs. But with a seat at the health care negotiating table, doctors hope to make the best out of a very bad situation. Interestingly, health care labor unions will probably emerge as the biggest winners in this corporatist arrangement, because they'll be able to extract higher than market wages from politicians dependent on union votes.
pay-to-play, baby.
| 656 |
acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 8:01:21am |
re: #649 Kosh's Shadow
I know someone who is a mental health counselor who has been in private practice and worked at hospitals for years.
He's so fed up with the insurance bureaucracy that he thinks nationalized care will be better. I try to tell him it will be worse, but what he's dealing with now is so bad that he can't imagine it getting worse.
He'll see.
I told my father if they nationalized health care in the US along the lines of the California model, I'd move to Mexico and take my chances with the drug cartels. Same 50-50 chances of taking a mortal wound.
| 657 |
quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 8:01:50am |
re: #634 Ward Cleaver
Madonna's more of a new age Kaballah girl, I think.
| 658 |
Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:02:03am |
Good Morning Everyone.
Are the fruit cups gone?
Anyone have yogurt
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 8:02:04am |
re: #645 quickjustice
I actually heard a radio ad recently on WCBS 880 for Cuban tourism. The ad actually said, in part, "Come to Cuba for the excellent medical care", quoting Michael Moore. I kid you not!
***GAG WARNING***
| 660 |
redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:02:11am |
re: #652 MandyManners
How can you force someone to work?
not sure.... all the historical examples of such are fairly ugly, at best.
| 661 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 8:02:19am |
re: #644 irongrampa
Peel and stick is great, it does necessitate a clean surface on installation, tho'. One thing I found is that when you start at mid-point in the room, use contact cement on the 4-block. Also, use it on the borders--this prevents the tiles from "migrating"--i.e.separating down the road. I went with Armstrong, having had great luck with them. The overriding thing is to use PREMIUM tile--the 45cent crap is just that.
Okay, what's the 4-block?
/novice here
| 662 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 8:02:22am |
re: #639 Eowyn2
Russian Nationalism has been alive and well for hundreds of years. This is nothing new.
Well, it's taking on a new flavor. The rise of the far right throughout Europe and even here in the states is a troubling phenomenon.
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J.S. Wed, May 13, 2009 8:02:42am |
re: #651 turn
Yep. That's what the Mr. Mo guy's lawyer (i imagine) will be claiming -- it's hypocritical of the Obama administration to go around releasing "torture memos" then, in the next moment, telling the Brits that the info is suddenly "classified" and they're not allowed to have access to it...
| 664 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 8:02:44am |
| 665 |
redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:03:01am |
re: #646 Walter L. Newton
In Britain, they can come to your house and do a "food census" to determine if you are eating healthy. Not a joke, for real.
they better come with a warrant.
/for starters
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 8:03:05am |
re: #590 Kosh's Shadow
They'll drop coverage for most workers, and keep it for the execs. They won't want to be in the same lines as the rest of us.
And it is hard to argue with an insurance company now, but possible; arguing with the government will be much harder.
By the time you get through the bureaucracy, you'll be dead.
We all know where our elected representatives get their care.
| 667 |
Gus Wed, May 13, 2009 8:03:29am |
| 668 |
redc1c4 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:03:52am |
re: #661 Ward Cleaver
Okay, what's the 4-block?
/novice here
just a SWAG, but that would be the center block you w*rk your way out from....
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 8:04:10am |
re: #652 MandyManners
How can you force someone to work?
Chain gang.
Put on a fuckin' gang gang. Keep my roads litter and weed free. Cool Hand Luke without the sadism.
They force me to work for their kid by taking my tax money.
The sperm donor will damn well contribute.
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FrogMarch Wed, May 13, 2009 8:04:10am |
re: #630 FrogMarch
Health care represents the latest frontier in this drive to centrally manage the American economy.
one more..
In his remarks welcoming the "historic" concessions by the health care industry, President Barack Obama noted that health care "costs are out of control." The goal of corporatist health care reform is to cut those costs. It's a noble aim. The only problem is that the one surefire way to cut costs is completely off the bargaining table: competition. Producers certainly won't reduce costs unless competitors force them to do so. And why would they? Reducing costs means reducing incomes.Indeed, costs in our current health care system rise faster than the rate of inflation precisely because there is so little competition. The third party payment system, where employers or government agencies pay for insurance, gives consumers few incentives to shop around and bid down prices. On top of that, the federal and state governments have piled so many mandates on insurers that consumers are offered little more than one-size-fits-all policies with similar rates.
It's no secret the current health care system is rife with inefficiencies. But without effective competition, there will be no effective way to discover them and root them out. Competition incentivizes consumers and competitors to eliminate inefficiencies. The notion that wise government regulators can wring them out is beyond laughable.
Dems do not understand this at all.
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 8:04:19am |
re: #657 quickjustice
Madonna's more of a new age Kaballah girl, I think.
Well, I meant that the popular book in the UK now is the koran, what with the RoPers taking over.
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J.D. Wed, May 13, 2009 8:04:44am |
Krauthammer:
...The hard part is Medicare and Medicaid. In an aging population, how do you keep them from blowing up the budget? There is only one answer: rationing.Why do you think the stimulus package pours $1.1 billion into medical "comparative effectiveness research"? It is the perfect setup for rationing. Once you establish what is "best practice" for expensive operations, medical tests and aggressive therapies, you've laid the premise for funding some and denying others.
It is estimated that a third to a half of one's lifetime health costs are consumed in the last six months of life. Accordingly, Britain's National Health Service can deny treatments it deems not cost-effective -- and if you're old and infirm, the cost-effectiveness of treating you plummets. In Canada, they ration by queuing. You can wait forever for so-called elective procedures like hip replacements.
Rationing is not quite as alien to America as we think. We already ration kidneys and hearts for transplant according to survivability criteria as well as by queuing. A nationalized health insurance system would ration everything from MRIs to intensive care by myriad similar criteria.
The more acute thinkers on the left can see rationing coming, provoking Slate blogger Mickey Kaus to warn of the political danger. "Isn't it an epic mistake to try to sell Democratic health care reform on this basis? Possible sales pitch: 'Our plan will deny you unnecessary treatments!' . . . Is that really why the middle class will sign on to a revolutionary multitrillion-dollar shift in spending -- so the government can decide their life or health 'is not worth the price'?"
My own preference is for a highly competitive, privatized health insurance system with a government-subsidized transition to portability, breaking the absurd and ruinous link between health insurance and employment. But if you believe that health care is a public good to be guaranteed by the state, then a single-payer system is the next best alternative. Unfortunately, it is fiscally unsustainable without rationing. ...
Ask the British or Canadians how they like it.
Obama: The Grand Strategy
It's coming!
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 8:05:08am |
re: #632 jaunte
Oh man, I'm the one who should apologize for delayed replies. btw I have to remember to ask the turnwife to write out a few recipes for me to submit to reine. Are you volunteering to do the artwork for the next book?
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Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 8:06:06am |
re: #650 Killgore Trout
Very interesting. You'd think with the bitter history of Russia and fascism that they'd go a different direction.
Nationalism and authoritarianism are a bad mix.
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VioletTiger Wed, May 13, 2009 8:06:10am |
re: #630 FrogMarch
Health care represents the latest frontier in this drive to centrally manage the American economy.
Why would the industry agree to this preemptive surrender? Because it means the end of competition. Under the proposed agreement, the government would guarantee a certain level of profit for each health care producer. From the industry's point of view, the goal is to get a seat at the table as politicians and government technocrats "reform" health care—which means it will decide who the winners and losers will be.
But the real 'producers' are the actual health care providers--the doctors and nurses. I wonder who will want to spend 14-18 years studying medicine if their income will be capped by the gov? (Are you listening Little Tiger? Change your major!)
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Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 8:06:28am |
re: #668 redc1c4
just a SWAG, but that would be the center block you w*rk your way out from....
I suspected that's what he meant. Is that, irongrampa?
And when you say, "contact cement", do you really mean contact cement, or something like Liquid Nails?
| 677 |
smokefire Wed, May 13, 2009 8:07:10am |
re: #574 redstateredneck
..........Hell, we had that in Connecticut, when I first started working at the FD. Med calls to apartments with 3 generations in same apartment.
Nothing new here.
| 678 |
UFO TOFU Wed, May 13, 2009 8:07:27am |
re: #647 Ward Cleaver
Yes, in bathrooms. Unless you somehow seal the seams, it's not waterproof. I finally quit taking those kinds of jobs.
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jaunte Wed, May 13, 2009 8:07:47am |
re: #673 turn
Yes, I'm just beginning to sketch ideas for the cover and some spot illustrations for the inside pages.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 8:07:53am |
re: #660 redc1c4
not sure.... all the historical examples of such are fairly ugly, at best.
Well, it's possible to jail someone who is behind in court-orderded CS over a set amount. (I think it's $5,000.00.) And, thanks to UIFSA, the debtor cannot just move across the nation to avoid the debt.
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 8:09:22am |
Obama said that "The stars are aligned" for his healthcre initiative.
Hard to argue, he has both Houses of Congress & high approval ratings.
So he will do it because he can, not that he should.
Elections have consequences.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 8:10:00am |
re: #669 JCM
Chain gang.
Put on a fuckin' gang gang. Keep my roads litter and weed free. Cool Hand Luke without the sadism.
They force me to work for their kid by taking my tax money.
The sperm donor will damn well contribute.
Do you know the limit at which the debtor can be jailed?
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 8:10:03am |
re: #642 Ward Cleaver
Morning ward. Not a problem, you get used to "buttering" the tile. I actually didn't mind working with the thinset, the friggin grouting is what drove me crazy. These were unglazed tiles and the cleanup was a bitch. After a while I learned to quit sweating about staining the edges of the tile and just wiped the grout over the whole tile. It darkened it a bit but it all turns out consistent. I put in hot water based radiant floor heat under the tile btw, that was a job in itself.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, May 13, 2009 8:10:22am |
re: #681 opnion
Obama said that "The stars are aligned" for his healthcre initiative.
Hard to argue, he has both Houses of Congress & high approval ratings.
So he will do it because he can, not that he should.
Elections have consequences.
What, he consults astrologers? The MSM ripped Nancy Reagan for doing that.
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FrogMarch Wed, May 13, 2009 8:10:46am |
re: #675 VioletTiger
But the real 'producers' are the actual health care providers--the doctors and nurses. I wonder who will want to spend 14-18 years studying medicine if their income will be capped by the gov? (Are you listening Little Tiger? Change your major!)
That's exactly right. The Canadian medial brain-drain is the example to look at.
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vxbush Wed, May 13, 2009 8:11:13am |
Okay, everyone is making me even more depressed with this talk about healthcare sinking. I'm already worried about my son's care. This isn't helping me.
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 8:12:07am |
re: #643 JCM
McChrystal isn't the problem, he'd git er done.
The problem will be political considerations back home.
1965 all over again.
Oh, you mean O wants to call the shots from the white house. Yes that is a scary thought.
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smokefire Wed, May 13, 2009 8:12:18am |
re: #681 opnion
oh GOOD, He [Obama] is now using the Nancy Reagan form of decision.
The Stars are in alignment.
What we are now resorting to Astrology?
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KenJen Wed, May 13, 2009 8:12:29am |
re: #684 Alouette
What, he consults astrologers? The MSM ripped Nancy Reagan for doing that.
I thinks he was talking about Dr Phil and Dr. Oz.
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 8:12:39am |
re: #684 Alouette
What, he consults astrologers? The MSM ripped Nancy Reagan for doing that.
No, why would he consult anybody? The Dear Leader is a light worker with ultimate consciousness.
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VegasRick Wed, May 13, 2009 8:13:08am |
re: #681 opnion
Obama said that "The stars are aligned" for his healthcre initiative.
Hard to argue, he has both Houses of Congress & high approval ratings.
So he will do it because he can, not that he should.
Elections have consequences.
Not even going to quote Mandy here. You know who you are.
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Flyers1974 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:13:17am |
re: #453 Killgore Trout
I also think that much of what they are labeling "socialist" (Bank bailouts, TARP, etc) are temporary emergency measures. Not a permanent policy of nationalizing banks.
This is my biggest argument in rejecting the idea that Obama is a socialist. Aside from that argument however, why would Obama want to institute socialism? I believe that (a) Obama is a smart guy; (b) Obama wants more power and to be reelected; and (c) that the US is essentially a center-right country, always has been, always will be. If one accepts my a, b and c, why on earth would Obama want to institute socialism? It wouldn't be my way of obtaining and holding onto power, not in the US.
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njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 8:13:37am |
Will Media Notice Pelosi's Gaffe 'Medicare Established in the '50s'?
At the end of President Barack Obama's statement Wednesday morning concerning a number of pending bills before Congress, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Cal.) interrupted him to offer some truly sycophantic praise about all the good he's doing for the nation:
You, under your leadership and working with this Congress, have done more to promote healthcare to move it along, prevention, technology, the biomedical research, children's health, veterans' health, than has been done in our country since Medicare was established in the '50s.
Medicare was established in the '50s?
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solomonpanting Wed, May 13, 2009 8:13:59am |
re: #681 opnion
Obama said that "The stars are aligned" for his healthcre initiative.
Hard to argue, he has both Houses of Congress & high approval ratings.
So he will do it because he can, not that he should.
Elections have consequences.
Clinton had both Houses as well in 1992, but I'm afraid this crop of Dems just might go for broke, literally.
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lawhawk Wed, May 13, 2009 8:14:44am |
re: #658 Eowyn2
Good Morning Everyone.
Are the fruit cups gone?
Anyone have yogurt
Those who are late get no fruit cup.
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badger1970 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:15:51am |
re: #646 Walter L. Newton
I got a whiff of that watching Super League and some of those commercials (like your little green children ratting you out for leaving the lights on). I'm sure that'll never happen here /s
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 8:16:34am |
re: #682 MandyManners
Do you know the limit at which the debtor can be jailed?
LOL! Not off hand.
I just want to make the cost of having a swing dick dumping their spawn on society with the associated welfare and crime costs so freaking high a guy will be shaking in fear of unzipping his zipper if he's not will to handle the responsibilities and consequences of his jollies.
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KenJen Wed, May 13, 2009 8:16:37am |
re: #686 vxbush
Okay, everyone is making me even more depressed with this talk about health care sinking. I'm already worried about my son's care. This isn't helping me.
It is scary. Where is the AMA and AARP. They should be all over this. Where is the media. For years they have bitched about VA hospitals and Military hospitals and what horrible care they give. As a Rush caller pointed out yesterday these are govt. run facilities.
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Gus Wed, May 13, 2009 8:17:30am |
"We've got to get it done this year, we've got to get it done this year both in the House and the Senate," Obama said in remarks after an Oval Office meeting with Democrats from the House of Representatives."We don't have any excuses, the stars are aligned."
'Ear leader might be having "flashbacks."
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vxbush Wed, May 13, 2009 8:17:56am |
re: #700 KenJen
It is scary. Where is the AMA and AARP. They should be all over this. Where is the media. For years they have bitched about VA hospitals and Military hospitals and what horrible care they give. As a Rush caller pointed out yesterday these are govt. run facilities.
It seems everyone has their head in the sand, now that the election is over. All the media does is praise Obama, so the regular Joe thinks everything is fine and Obama is doing what Joe wants him to do. It's crazy.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, May 13, 2009 8:18:36am |
re: #694 njdhockeyfan
Will Media Notice Pelosi's Gaffe 'Medicare Established in the '50s'?
Just chalk it up to Pelosi's problems with numbers. I'm sure the 300 billion Americans will too...
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turn Wed, May 13, 2009 8:18:50am |
re: #663 J.S.
Still haven't read the article but I'm really curious about what the gitmo info is that O is so against releasing. Probably information about how humanely we treated the prisoners of some other positive piece of info knowing O.
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 8:18:56am |
re: #693 Flyers1974
This is my biggest argument in rejecting the idea that Obama is a socialist. Aside from that argument however, why would Obama want to institute socialism? I believe that (a) Obama is a smart guy; (b) Obama wants more power and to be reelected; and (c) that the US is essentially a center-right country, always has been, always will be. If one accepts my a, b and c, why on earth would Obama want to institute socialism? It wouldn't be my way of obtaining and holding onto power, not in the US.
He considers America an economically unjust country.
Some years back he lamented on an NPR interview that the Constitution had no provision for economic justice. Sounds like wealth redistribution.
I think that he gravitates toward Socialism , because that's who he is.
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 8:19:16am |
re: #703 MrSilverDragon
Just chalk it up to Pelosi's problems with numbers. I'm sure the 300 billion Americans will too...
The face is so tight it's cutting off oxygen to the brain.....
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albusteve Wed, May 13, 2009 8:19:31am |
re: #702 vxbush
It seems everyone has their head in the sand, now that the election is over. All the media does is praise Obama, so the regular Joe thinks everything is fine and Obama is doing what Joe wants him to do. It's crazy.
the MSM is killing conservatism
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 8:19:57am |
re: #696 solomonpanting
Clinton had both Houses as well in 1992, but I'm afraid this crop of Dems just might go for broke, literally.
They have learned from the Clinton mistakes.
| 709 |
VegasRick Wed, May 13, 2009 8:20:19am |
re: #707 albusteve
the MSM is killing
conservatismfreedom
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 8:20:42am |
re: #693 Flyers1974
This is my biggest argument in rejecting the idea that Obama is a socialist. Aside from that argument however, why would Obama want to institute socialism? I believe that (a) Obama is a smart guy; (b) Obama wants more power and to be reelected; and (c) that the US is essentially a center-right country, always has been, always will be. If one accepts my a, b and c, why on earth would Obama want to institute socialism? It wouldn't be my way of obtaining and holding onto power, not in the US.
He's a Marxist by upbringing and inclination.
He's smart enough to know he can only take small steps.
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vxbush Wed, May 13, 2009 8:20:43am |
re: #707 albusteve
the MSM is killing conservatism
No. People are apathetic and allow the MSM to say what they want. We are killing the newspapers because they aren't worth anything, so our dollars are going elsewhere. We can do the same with the rest of the MSM.
| 712 |
Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 8:20:46am |
re: #707 albusteve
the MSM is killing conservatism
I would say it's all of self-interested punditry.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 8:20:48am |
re: #700 KenJen
It is scary. Where is the AMA and AARP. They should be all over this. Where is the media. For years they have bitched about VA hospitals and Military hospitals and what horrible care they give. As a Rush caller pointed out yesterday these are govt. run facilities.
Both the AMA and AARP are on vacation on De Nile.
They think the government program will take control away from the "evil insurance companies and HMOs" and make more affordable care for everyone, so the AARP members will get care, and the doctors will be paid well taking care of everyone.
They're so blinded by their wishes that they can't see reality.
| 714 |
Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:21:42am |
re: #619 Ward Cleaver
What kind of vinyl tile did you buy? We want to re-do our kitchen, laundry room, bathrooms, and entry (it's a cheap builder-grade sheet vinyl now). We're thinking of pulling it all up and going with peel-and-stick tiles.
I have redone my bath, kitchen, spare bedroom and hall with the peel and stick vinyl. I bought the tile really cheap (didnt even pay 45 cents for it but I only want it to last a few years) and I made sure the sub floor was very clean and completely dry. If you have any crevices or deep gouges in the floor, use liquid floor leveler to fill them in. sand it and clean it. Do use extra glue in the base 4 and the edges.
rent a roller from the local rental place. they are about 80 lbs and when you are done laying the tile, roll it so that it flattens and has no bubbles.
If you have the tiniest scrap or piece of dirt on the subfloor, you will get a pucker in your tile.
| 715 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 8:22:11am |
Here's a group I heard about the other day, Conservatives for Patients' Rights. They have videos with firsthand experiences of patients in the UK and Canada.
| 716 |
turn Wed, May 13, 2009 8:22:30am |
re: #679 jaunte
If you draw in your avatar please rotate it 90 deg to the right for turn. ha!
| 717 |
VioletTiger Wed, May 13, 2009 8:23:01am |
re: #693 Flyers1974
This is my biggest argument in rejecting the idea that Obama is a socialist. Aside from that argument however, why would Obama want to institute socialism? I believe that (a) Obama is a smart guy; (b) Obama wants more power and to be reelected; and (c) that the US is essentially a center-right country, always has been, always will be. If one accepts my a, b and c, why on earth would Obama want to institute socialism? It wouldn't be my way of obtaining and holding onto power, not in the US.
Socialism is part of his belief system. He was a red diaper baby-raised by socialist/Communist-leaning people. He was a member of the socialist party early in his political career. He wants to take money and other wealth from those who have more and give it to those who have less. He said so many many times. He wants a European-type socialist society here in the USA.
As far as the US being center-right, I believe that is true. However, I think the majority are enamored with the IDEA of Obama. That is why the polls show more support for him than for his policies.
BTW-I remember the '74/75 Flyers!
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MrSilverDragon Wed, May 13, 2009 8:23:16am |
re: #714 Eowyn2
you will get a pucker in your tile.
That sounded really dirty for some reason. I think it's the lack of sleep from getting paged at 3 AM.
| 719 |
Flyers1974 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:23:55am |
re: #652 MandyManners
How can you force someone to work?
Actually, courts can and do force people to work - or faces the consequences. If a judge enters a child support order and the parent doesn't pay, the other parent can file for contempt. Assuming (at least in my state) the parent requests jail time, the judge can send the non-paying parent to jail. The judge will of course hear explanations for failure to pay - but those explanations better make sense. Long-term inability to obtain, say, a minimum wage job, at the least, is not going to cut it with most judges.
| 720 |
turn Wed, May 13, 2009 8:24:55am |
re: #681 opnion
Did he really say that? What a joke. Imagine if Bush said "The stars are aligned to topple Saddam" dang you would never hear that end of that one.
| 721 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 8:25:02am |
re: #700 KenJen
It is scary. Where is the AMA and AARP. They should be all over this. Where is the media. For years they have bitched about VA hospitals and Military hospitals and what horrible care they give. As a Rush caller pointed out yesterday these are govt. run facilities.
* ***
The AARP and AMA are in on the planning with Obama's Kennedy health care "reform". They're expecting a bigger cut from the govt.
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irongrampa Wed, May 13, 2009 8:26:39am |
re: #661 Ward Cleaver
4-block is the square in the middle of the room , where you start. This HAS to be as accurate as possible, the entire layout is predicated off that. You simply measure the length of the room, determine the middle, mark it, and then measure the width. I do double measurements, scribe/mark a line one foot or more and align the tiles with those marks. Do that accurately, and the job will turn out fine. Incidwentally, you can disregard any jogs, just do the longest and widest parts for your measuring.
Did I confuse you sufficiently?
| 723 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 8:27:00am |
re: #699 JCM
LOL! Not off hand.
I just want to make the cost of having a swing dick dumping their spawn on society with the associated welfare and crime costs so freaking high a guy will be shaking in fear of unzipping his zipper if he's not will to handle the responsibilities and consequences of his jollies.
Well, if the mother is not sure of the which one is the father or, if the father takes off once he finds out she is pregnant, how will he be held responsible?
| 724 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 8:27:15am |
re: #679 jaunte
Yes, I'm just beginning to sketch ideas for the cover and some spot illustrations for the inside pages.
If you draw me, include a fedora and make me a bearded lizard.
Unless you want to go Babylon 5 and have me as the shadow of a Vorlon encounter suit.
Thanks.
| 725 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 8:27:31am |
re: #720 turn
Did he really say that? What a joke. Imagine if Bush said "The stars are aligned to topple Saddam" dang you would never hear that end of that one.
* * * *
But the stars were alligned to topple Saddam!
And Saddam's spawn went first.
Mission nearly accomplished.
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MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 8:28:28am |
re: #719 Flyers1974
Actually, courts can and do force people to work - or faces the consequences. If a judge enters a child support order and the parent doesn't pay, the other parent can file for contempt. Assuming (at least in my state) the parent requests jail time, the judge can send the non-paying parent to jail. The judge will of course hear explanations for failure to pay - but those explanations better make sense. Long-term inability to obtain, say, a minimum wage job, at the least, is not going to cut it with most judges.
That assumes that the state can even find the father.
| 727 |
J.D. Wed, May 13, 2009 8:28:33am |
re: #700 KenJen
It is scary. Where is the AMA and AARP. They should be all over this. Where is the media. For years they have bitched about VA hospitals and Military hospitals and what horrible care they give. As a Rush caller pointed out yesterday these are govt. run facilities.
Democrats never get enough of government run facilities.
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan
Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.
Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).
The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.
But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”
Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.
New Penalties
Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)
What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.
The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.
Elderly Hardest Hit
Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.
Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).
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acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 8:29:04am |
re: #699 JCM
LOL! Not off hand.
I just want to make the cost of having a swing dick dumping their spawn on society with the associated welfare and crime costs so freaking high a guy will be shaking in fear of unzipping his zipper if he's not will to handle the responsibilities and consequences of his jollies.
Licensing. Like a driver's license. You must be this smart to have a child. Otherwise, off to the clip and snip with you!
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opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 8:29:10am |
re: #715 Ward Cleaver
Here's a group I heard about the other day, Conservatives for Patients' Rights. They have videos with firsthand experiences of patients in the UK and Canada.
We are between a rock & a hard place. The quality of care in the U.S is the best in the world but it is too expensive. Margins are too high, there is unbundling & upcoding as well as defensive medicine to avoid law suits which results in over treatment.
The system could be reformed, but it looks like Obama wants to destroy the system & give us socialized medicine.
| 730 |
njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 8:29:11am |
Oh gawd....how disgusting...
Sweden approves gender-based abortions
...Swedish women will be permitted to abort their children based on the sex of the fetus, according to a ruling by Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare.
The ruling was spurred by a request from Kai Wedenberg, head of the clinic where a woman twice requested, and received, an abortion based on sex.
| 731 |
KenJen Wed, May 13, 2009 8:29:20am |
Welcome to govt. run healthcare Would Obama apologize?
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JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 8:29:59am |
re: #723 MandyManners
Well, if the mother is not sure of the which one is the father or, if the father takes off once he finds out she is pregnant, how will he be held responsible?
Another can o' worms that one.
Having her required to ID possible sperm would be a start. I'd say half our foster kids father is listed as unknown, and we later find out mom damn well knew.
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acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 8:30:10am |
re: #730 njdhockeyfan
Oh gawd....how disgusting...
Well, Sweden is the new Voluntary China. How wonderful for them.
/I really need this for the sarcasm impaired.
| 734 |
quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 8:30:17am |
re: #693 Flyers1974
What Obama is doing may be regarded as either "state-guided capitalism" or "oligarchic (crony) capitalism", both forms of "bad capitalism". Permanent government takeover of the banks is a feature of both systems. Depending on how far he goes, I think he's a corporatist, which is a fascist without the extreme military or nationalistic trappings. If extreme environmentalism substitutes for militarism down the road, then he's a green fascist.
| 736 |
Gus Wed, May 13, 2009 8:30:29am |
re: #721 alegrias
* ***
The AARP and AMA are in on the planning with Obama's Kennedy health care "reform". They're expecting a bigger cut from the govt.
AARP
New CEO of AARP: Barry Rand
FEC report:
RAND, BARRY
STAMFORD, CT 06903
OBAMA VICTORY FUND
10/08/2008 2300.00 28992938189
RAND, BARRY
STAMFORD, CT 06903
RETIRED/RETIRED
OBAMA VICTORY FUND
10/08/2008 2300.00 28992938189
Total Joint Fundraising: 4600.00
Recipient of Joint Fundraiser Contributions
These are the Final Recipients of Joint Fundraising Contributions
RAND, BARRY
STAMFORD, CT 06903
NOT EMPLOYED
OBAMA, BARACK
VIA OBAMA FOR AMERICA
10/16/2008 2300.00 29990770688
RAND, BARRY
STAMFORD, CT 06903
DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
06/28/2007 250.00 27020281806
| 738 |
VegasRick Wed, May 13, 2009 8:31:44am |
| 739 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 8:31:48am |
Glenn Reynolds gone to the dark side.....
IN THE MAIL: Lincoln’s Wrath: Fierce Mobs, Brilliant Scoundrels, and a President’s Mission to Destroy the Press. Not sure why the publisher sent this now. Hard to imagine a present-day President displaying such thuggishness toward his opponents.
He's recently linked to discussions opposing democracy, articles praising anti-government militias, financial news from Lew Rockwell's site and now a book demonizing Lincoln as an opponent of freedom. Also note that Ron Paul's latest book is listen in the "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" category.
Feh.
| 740 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 8:32:19am |
re: #723 MandyManners
Well, if the mother is not sure of the which one is the father or, if the father takes off once he finds out she is pregnant, how will he be held responsible?
* * * *
This is the problem with the culture promoting "recreational" sex among kids, like the ones who live around me in public housing.
Young girls of 13, 14 & 15 pushing strollers, never marrying nor finishing school, "baby daddies" of 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, hanging out on the street corners to sell drugs at night on the Obama-Biden open air drug markets.
Yeah, I call it the Obama-Biden drug market because the public house on the corner at the epicenter of this drug area has its Obama-Biden sticker on the door (and the Kerry-Edwards sticker next door as well).
| 741 |
irongrampa Wed, May 13, 2009 8:32:21am |
Ok, time to translate talking about it to actually doing.
Have a great day, good people.
| 742 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 8:32:28am |
re: #700 KenJen
It is scary. Where is the AMA and AARP. They should be all over this. Where is the media. For years they have bitched about VA hospitals and Military hospitals and what horrible care they give. As a Rush caller pointed out yesterday these are govt. run facilities.
The AMA is supporting Obamacare; they see it as unstoppable, and they want to make sure they get their best deal. They're advocating for doctors, not patients.
| 743 |
Flyers1974 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:32:31am |
re: #726 MandyManners
If father disappears, i.e., fails to show up for contempt hearing, the judge will absolutely issue a warrant for his arrest - assuming of course that the father was properly served with summons to appear in court. If you are referring to father disappearing prior to paternity being established, well that is indeed an issue.
| 744 |
J.S. Wed, May 13, 2009 8:32:40am |
re: #704 turn
Apparently, the 7 paragraphs (which the British courts may or may not release) would (according to the lawyer for the former Gitmo boy -- the Mo fellow was implicated in the Richard Reid, shoe bomber affair) "prove" torture took place. Obama is claiming that the 7 paragraphs contain info about foreign governments which must be kept classified (and if the info's released, the Brits will face consequences -- a threat to shut down intelligence sharing between US and UK). (the lawyer for the Gitmo guy is saying that he wants to use a law in the UK which places UK law under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court -- that's charging people with "war crimes", etc., which means that "domestic" laws no longer apply -- it's all about international laws (the ICC) under which people can be charged with crimes against humanity, war crimes, etc. There has been a case of a British soldier who was convicted by the International Criminal Court for "war crimes" (inhumane treatment of a detainee, I believe, in Iraq).
| 745 |
solomonpanting Wed, May 13, 2009 8:33:52am |
re: #727 J.D.
Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.
What are there, 76 million baby boomers? Just think of the savings!
| 746 |
Russkilitlover Wed, May 13, 2009 8:33:55am |
re: #650 Killgore Trout
Very interesting. You'd think with the bitter history of Russia and fascism that they'd go a different direction.
When in economic straights, Russia has always whipped up nationalistic fervor and look for any non Russian (narrowly defined) to beat up on. Whether it was Tartars, Chechens, Ukrainians, or, of course the old standby, the Jews, Russians turn ugly towards the minority. Happened under the Czars, the Communists, and now under whatever they have now.
| 747 |
Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:33:56am |
re: #718 MrSilverDragon
That sounded really dirty for some reason. I think it's the lack of sleep from getting paged at 3 AM.
People still use pagers?
| 749 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, May 13, 2009 8:34:00am |
re: #743 Flyers1974
Just had to give you an upding for your nic!
| 750 |
turn Wed, May 13, 2009 8:34:09am |
re: #714 Eowyn2
E, I'm impressed. turnwife didn't help lay one tile, well maybe a few. btw can't stand stick down vinyl tile but sometimes (depending on the sub floor) it's all you have to work with. nice job
| 751 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 8:34:15am |
re: #729 opnion
We are between a rock & a hard place. The quality of care in the U.S is the best in the world but it is too expensive. Margins are too high, there is unbundling & upcoding as well as defensive medicine to avoid law suits which results in over treatment.
The system could be reformed, but it looks like Obama wants to destroy the system & give us socialized medicine.
Agreed. My health insurance is really expensive and doesn't really cover anything when I need it. I'd love to see the current system improved but Obama seem set on using a lousy European model.
| 752 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 8:34:46am |
re: #722 irongrampa
4-block is the square in the middle of the room , where you start. This HAS to be as accurate as possible, the entire layout is predicated off that. You simply measure the length of the room, determine the middle, mark it, and then measure the width. I do double measurements, scribe/mark a line one foot or more and align the tiles with those marks. Do that accurately, and the job will turn out fine. Incidwentally, you can disregard any jogs, just do the longest and widest parts for your measuring.
Did I confuse you sufficiently?
I understand all that; I knew about working out from the center of the main area of the room. The contact cement, is it really "contact cement" (I've only seen it in small bottlees), or is it something else? And do you put it right over the peel-and-stick adhesive?
| 753 |
quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 8:35:08am |
re: #742 Ward Cleaver
The AMA hasn't advocated for doctors in years except to whine that doctors aren't getting paid enough by Medicare and Medicaid.
| 754 |
MrSilverDragon Wed, May 13, 2009 8:35:10am |
re: #747 Eowyn2
People still use pagers?
Yup. I refuse to carry a cellphone for work if they aren't gonna pay for it, so they gave me a pager.
| 756 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 8:35:37am |
re: #730 njdhockeyfan
Oh gawd....how disgusting...
* * * * *
I give credit the Swedes acknowledge it's "children" they're culling, not just "tissues" of indeterminate gender.
How enlightened. ///allah approves
| 757 |
vxbush Wed, May 13, 2009 8:35:44am |
re: #754 MrSilverDragon
Yup. I refuse to carry a cellphone for work if they aren't gonna pay for it, so they gave me a pager.
Heh. Nice.
| 758 |
Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:35:54am |
re: #730 njdhockeyfan
Oh gawd....how disgusting...
Say goodbye to the Swedish Swim Team (one of you guys have to have the pic somewhere)
| 759 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 8:36:14am |
re: #739 Killgore Trout
Glenn Reynolds gone to the dark side.....
He's recently linked to discussions opposing democracy, articles praising anti-government militias, financial news from Lew Rockwell's site and now a book demonizing Lincoln as an opponent of freedom. Also note that Ron Paul's latest book is listen in the "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" category.
Feh.
...and of course the author is a Paulian.
| 760 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, May 13, 2009 8:36:33am |
re: #730 njdhockeyfan
Oh gawd....how disgusting...
I wonder how many of these abortions are from muslims, who hold a woman in less esteem?
| 761 |
solomonpanting Wed, May 13, 2009 8:36:37am |
re: #752 Ward Cleaver
I understand all that; I knew about working out from the center of the main area of the room. The contact cement, is it really "contact cement" (I've only seen it in small bottlees), or is it something else? And do you put it right over the peel-and-stick adhesive?
Contact cement is available in gallon and five-gallon containers.
| 762 |
Flyers1974 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:36:57am |
re: #749 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Just had to give you an upding for your nic!
My first ding, in either direction, thank you. By the way, what's an "nic?" (I'm new around here.)
| 763 |
JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 8:37:10am |
re: #728 acwgusa
Licensing. Like a driver's license. You must be this smart to have a child. Otherwise, off to the clip and snip with you!
I've thought about that....
Too intrusive IMHO.
Dead beat swinging dicks is just a sore spot with me.
As a foster parent I see the grimy guts what the welfare state has wrought on families and children. I see the crime which absent fathers contribute immensely too.
The '60's brought about the idea of sex with no consequences.
We're paying the consequences of that in big time now.
No, I'm not a prude, really don't care what a person does. Just be responsible for the consequences. Is that too much to ask?
| 764 |
acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 8:37:20am |
re: #753 quickjustice
The AMA hasn't advocated for doctors in years except to whine that doctors aren't getting paid enough by Medicare and Medicaid.
The AMA is correct on that count. They aren't getting paid enough. Medicare and Medicaid go out the way to pay the least amount of reimbursement possible.
| 765 |
quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 8:37:29am |
re: #739 Killgore Trout
During emergencies when Congress wasn't in session, Lincoln overtly ignored the Constitution repeatedly to save the Republic. In his words, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact."
He always went to Congress later for legislative ratification (retroactive approval) of his actions, and Congress always gave him that authority.
| 766 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 8:37:33am |
re: #711 vxbush
No. People are apathetic and allow the MSM to say what they want. We are killing the newspapers because they aren't worth anything, so our dollars are going elsewhere. We can do the same with the rest of the MSM.
* * * *
Have you seen today's headline at Drudge? States are giving newspaper TAX CUTS of 40%, as a bailout.
Yes, tax cut tea party for newspapers, but not for thee.
| 767 |
smokefire Wed, May 13, 2009 8:37:40am |
OT, here.
Has France decided to close Normandy area on June 6 for the one's visit?
My hope is that the French have the balls to deny the that request.
It's all about the Vet's not the ONE.
There may be some that want to make it for the 65th, and may never make it again.
This galls me about his audacity.
I hate him even more than I did before.
| 768 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, May 13, 2009 8:37:42am |
re: #762 Flyers1974
My first ding, in either direction, thank you. By the way, what's an "nic?" (I'm new around here.)
Nickname.
| 770 |
MrSilverDragon Wed, May 13, 2009 8:38:21am |
re: #762 Flyers1974
My first ding, in either direction, thank you. By the way, what's an "nic?" (I'm new around here.)
It's shorthand for "nickname".
| 771 |
quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 8:38:45am |
re: #764 acwgusa
And you think this an adequate "vision" of the future of American medicine?/
| 773 |
acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 8:39:53am |
re: #771 quickjustice
And you think this an adequate "vision" of the future of American medicine?/
Absolutely bloody not. I oppose government health care. I work in IT for a state version of it. I'm part of the problem.
| 774 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 8:39:59am |
re: #756 alegrias
* * * * *
I give credit the Swedes acknowledge it's "children" they're culling, not just "tissues" of indeterminate gender.How enlightened. ///allah approves
I thought that abortion was forbidden under islam.
| 775 |
VegasRick Wed, May 13, 2009 8:40:12am |
re: #762 Flyers1974
My first ding, in either direction, thank you. By the way, what's an "nic?" (I'm new around here.)
That's the bar tab that you are running. It's due 30 days after you register. Oh, and thanks for all those Grey Goose and cranberry!
| 776 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 8:40:14am |
re: #765 quickjustice
There are a lot of interesting Constitutional and historical debates to be had about Lincoln. However, Glenn Reynolds has gone libertarian nutsy. It's becoming a very clear pattern.
| 777 |
KenJen Wed, May 13, 2009 8:41:25am |
re: #742 Ward Cleaver
The AMA is supporting Obamacare; they see it as unstoppable, and they want to make sure they get their best deal. They're advocating for doctors, not patients.
Most doctors I've talked to are very concerned. If I were one I'd be pissed off at the AMA.
| 778 |
Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 8:41:30am |
re: #739 Killgore Trout
Glenn Reynolds gone to the dark side.....
He's recently linked to discussions opposing democracy, articles praising anti-government militias, financial news from Lew Rockwell's site and now a book demonizing Lincoln as an opponent of freedom. Also note that Ron Paul's latest book is listen in the "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" category.
Feh.
The amount of historical revisionism I see going on at this time is alarming.
| 780 |
Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:41:57am |
re: #750 turn
E, I'm impressed. turnwife didn't help lay one tile, well maybe a few. btw can't stand stick down vinyl tile but sometimes (depending on the sub floor) it's all you have to work with. nice job
I bought a hovel last year. I had to clean it up just to live in it. So I bought lots of primer, lots of paint, lots of stick down tile. I have insulated and put up board walls in the sunporch and I plan on starting the tongue and groove ceiling tiles in there by this weekend. Then the floor leveler and then the sticky tiles. Oh shit, I forgot I need to finish painting before I do the tiles. Damn, have to get that done in the next couple of nights. For mother's day, my son tore down the wheel chair ramp. I hope to have this lot of stuff done by July 1 and then I get to start on the rear entry and thats a real dirty place!
| 781 |
quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 8:42:04am |
re: #751 Killgore Trout
Breaking up health care monopolies, making pricing and outcomes information transparent, and giving health care consumers that information and the freedom to make choices about their health care would drive the system in a positive direction. Obama is moving the health care system closer to a Stalinist, lockstep model.
| 782 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 8:42:28am |
re: #777 KenJen
Most doctors I've talked to are very concerned. If I were one I'd be pissed off at the AMA.
I imagine that a lot of them are.
| 783 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 8:43:14am |
re: #781 quickjustice
Obama is moving the
health care systemcountry closer to a Stalinist, lockstep model.
Fixed it for you
| 784 |
quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 8:43:17am |
re: #776 Killgore Trout
Reynolds always has been a self-professed libertarian. He support gay marriage, for example. Whether he's figured out that Ron Paul is a wacko remains to be seen.
| 785 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 8:43:29am |
re: #762 Flyers1974
My first ding, in either direction, thank you. By the way, what's an "nic?" (I'm new around here.)
Nick name, what you use, Flyers1974.
| 786 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 8:44:06am |
re: #760 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I wonder how many of these abortions are from muslims, who hold a woman in less esteem?
* * * **
Yoo hoo, I doubt any moslem country has federally subsidized
"Planned Parenthood" clinics like the US does.
| 787 |
vxbush Wed, May 13, 2009 8:44:22am |
re: #766 alegrias
* * * *
Have you seen today's headline at Drudge? States are giving newspaper TAX CUTS of 40%, as a bailout.Yes, tax cut tea party for newspapers, but not for thee.
^%&!.....
| 788 |
turn Wed, May 13, 2009 8:44:53am |
re: #744 J.S.
wow, thanks for taking the time to break that down for me. Have a nice day ...
| 789 |
Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:45:15am |
re: #752 Ward Cleaver
contact cement goes on the floor not directly on the tiles.
| 790 |
VioletTiger Wed, May 13, 2009 8:45:31am |
re: #729 opnion
We are between a rock & a hard place. The quality of care in the U.S is the best in the world but it is too expensive. Margins are too high, there is unbundling & upcoding as well as defensive medicine to avoid law suits which results in over treatment.
The system could be reformed, but it looks like Obama wants to destroy the system & give us socialized medicine.
The defensive medicine thing is a real rpoblem. I once had an MRI for one problem, and the radiologist wrote up this weird thing about something totally unrelated-the way my bone marrow looked. Once my doctor got the test results, he had no choice but to order a bunch of additional expensive tests because even though he thought it was just BS, he had to cover his butt because the radiologist was covering his own.
| 791 |
formercorpsman Wed, May 13, 2009 8:45:37am |
re: #753 quickjustice
We do not accept Medicaid anymore.
First, you lose money when treating these patients. The cost of malpractice in PA is off the wall.
Relative to what your cost is to insure yourself to treat patients with this coverage, our practice actually lost money.
Combine that with the overhead involved just to meet to bureaucratic requirements prior to getting any testing, surgery, or other types of services, it is a disastrous system.
| 792 |
VegasRick Wed, May 13, 2009 8:45:37am |
re: #786 alegrias
* * * **
Yoo hoo, I doubt any moslem country has federally subsidized
"Planned Parenthood" clinics like the US does.
They do have "Planned Victimhood" clinics though.
mosques.
| 793 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 8:45:54am |
re: #766 alegrias
* * * *
Have you seen today's headline at Drudge? States are giving newspaper TAX CUTS of 40%, as a bailout.Yes, tax cut tea party for newspapers, but not for thee.
What ever happened to the idea of a business which fails going out of business?
| 794 |
vxbush Wed, May 13, 2009 8:46:49am |
re: #780 Eowyn2
I bought a hovel last year. I had to clean it up just to live in it. So I bought lots of primer, lots of paint, lots of stick down tile. I have insulated and put up board walls in the sunporch and I plan on starting the tongue and groove ceiling tiles in there by this weekend. Then the floor leveler and then the sticky tiles. Oh shit, I forgot I need to finish painting before I do the tiles. Damn, have to get that done in the next couple of nights. For mother's day, my son tore down the wheel chair ramp. I hope to have this lot of stuff done by July 1 and then I get to start on the rear entry and thats a real dirty place!
You're making me exhausted just talking about it. I've got some leftover ceramic tile from the bathroom job that I'd like to use to replace the entry from the garage into the kitchen, but I have to replace the subfloor there before I can do that, and it's in a weird space, and I can't seem to get beyond thinking about it.
| 795 |
opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 8:47:16am |
re: #742 Ward Cleaver
The AMA is supporting Obamacare; they see it as unstoppable, and they want to make sure they get their best deal. They're advocating for doctors, not patients.
That is dead on. They want to have some input into reimursement.
What they may get is an HMO model. They could get capitation, that is a flat amount per covered member. Anything that they are able not to spend on care they keep.
| 796 |
acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 8:47:17am |
re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What ever happened to the idea of a business which fails going out of business?
Failure hurts people's self-esteem. Can't have that in today's touchy-feely, feel-good world. It's not failure, it's delayed success!
| 797 |
Ward Cleaver Wed, May 13, 2009 8:47:53am |
re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What ever happened to the idea of a business which fails going out of business?
They're not gonna let propaganda organs for Dear Leader go out of business.
| 798 |
Russkilitlover Wed, May 13, 2009 8:48:06am |
re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What ever happened to the idea of a business which fails going out of business?
That free market idea died an ignoble death with the first bailout subsidy.
| 799 |
acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 8:48:16am |
re: #796 acwgusa
Failure hurts people's self-esteem. Can't have that in today's touchy-feely, feel-good world. It's not failure, it's delayed success!
Ugh. That hurt my brain. How do liberals think that way? I need aspirin now.
| 800 |
Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 8:48:16am |
re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What ever happened to the idea of a business which fails going out of business?
When the offered solution is equality of outcome, failure is obsolete. But then, so is success.
| 801 |
redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 8:48:21am |
re: #790 VioletTiger
The defensive medicine thing is a real rpoblem. I once had an MRI for one problem, and the radiologist wrote up this weird thing about something totally unrelated-the way my bone marrow looked. Once my doctor got the test results, he had no choice but to order a bunch of additional expensive tests because even though he thought it was just BS, he had to cover his butt because the radiologist was covering his own.
I call them out on the butt covering. I ask them if it's medically necessary and if they can't tell me that it is, then I say no. It's remarkable how many of them will come clean and admit that it's a test you don't have to have.
| 802 |
Flyers1974 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:48:23am |
re: #768 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Old school Flyers fan. Can't stand watching hockey since say, the late 1990's even when Philly's in the running. Just not the same sport.
| 803 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 8:48:33am |
re: #796 acwgusa
Failure hurts people's self-esteem. Can't have that in today's touchy-feely, feel-good world. It's not failure, it's delayed success!
I miss the days when you could pack up and head off into the frontier and leave this kind of shit behind.
| 804 |
eddiebear Wed, May 13, 2009 8:48:52am |
re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You can never doubt that Democrats will defend their own.
| 806 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 8:49:22am |
re: #784 quickjustice
Reading the Ron Paul Revolution
.....if Fabian Libertarianism is to have a future, it will owe much to the consciousness-raising of the Paul campaign. Socialist candidate Eugene Debs, after all, never got elected President either, but within a few decades much of his platform was adopted by the Democratic Party. May Paul enjoy similar influence on the future of national politics.
He also fails to mention Ron Paul's racist connections.
| 807 |
Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 8:49:36am |
Failure can teach important lessons.
Trying to prevent failure is imposed ignorance.
| 808 |
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Wed, May 13, 2009 8:50:02am |
re: #802 Flyers1974
Old school Flyers fan. Can't stand watching hockey since say, the late 1990's even when Philly's in the running. Just not the same sport.
I was born in 1974, so I've only heard stories & watched videos of the glory days of the Bullies. Those must have been some times.
| 809 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 8:50:29am |
re: #807 Sharmuta
Failure can teach important lessons.
Trying to prevent failure is imposed ignorance.
LALALALALALA!
I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
/
| 810 |
eddiebear Wed, May 13, 2009 8:50:31am |
Yeah, failed media ventures should just be allowed to fade away in their own arrogance.
| 811 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 8:50:42am |
re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What ever happened to the idea of a business which fails going out of business?
* * * *
In the Obama administration, so long as newspapers spout his party line, they'll get a bailout.
As Pres. Obama said at the White House Correspondents' Dinner Saturday night, after acknowledging "all of you voted for me" :
"Apologies to the Fox News table"
| 812 |
redstateredneck Wed, May 13, 2009 8:50:55am |
| 813 |
jorline Wed, May 13, 2009 8:50:58am |
re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
What ever happened to the idea of a business which fails going out of business?
Not if the business is a jockstrap for the administration.
Move over, there's a bigger, newer supporter in town.
| 814 |
opnion Wed, May 13, 2009 8:51:26am |
re: #790 VioletTiger
The defensive medicine thing is a real rpoblem. I once had an MRI for one problem, and the radiologist wrote up this weird thing about something totally unrelated-the way my bone marrow looked. Once my doctor got the test results, he had no choice but to order a bunch of additional expensive tests because even though he thought it was just BS, he had to cover his butt because the radiologist was covering his own.
Huge problem.
| 815 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 8:51:49am |
re: #806 Killgore Trout
Now that I read that article again I can see that Glenn Reynold's efforts in the Tea Party movement have been with the intent to mainstream Ron Paul's ideas among conservatives and into the GOP. It was intentional.
| 816 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 8:52:18am |
So now, there are 2 industries which I never need to look at again since the government is taking care of them.
American Cars
Newspapers
I won't give either a fucking dime
| 818 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 8:53:11am |
re: #815 Killgore Trout
Paul Belian pulled off a similar coup with getting Eurofascists into the counterjihad movement.
| 820 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 8:54:34am |
re: #818 Killgore Trout
Paul Belian pulled off a similar coup with getting Eurofascists into the counterjihad movement.
Are you talking to yourself this morning? :)
| 821 |
Flyers1974 Wed, May 13, 2009 8:54:42am |
re: #808 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I was very young, too young to understand the game in 1974. Shortly thereafter though, I would either see or hear 70 plus games a year, mostly via radio. My father told me that when they won in 1974, every male at his company took off to go to the parade.
| 822 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 8:54:45am |
re: #732 JCM
Another can o' worms that one.
Having her required to ID possible sperm would be a start. I'd say half our foster kids father is listed as unknown, and we later find out mom damn well knew.
She can name as many or as few as she wants but, what if they just go *poof*?
| 823 |
debutaunt Wed, May 13, 2009 8:55:30am |
re: #800 Sharmuta
When the offered solution is equality of outcome, failure is obsolete. But then, so is success.
Woo - Hoo! Mediocrity!
| 824 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 8:55:32am |
re: #764 acwgusa
The AMA is correct on that count. They aren't getting paid enough. Medicare and Medicaid go out the way to pay the least amount of reimbursement possible.
And they must be blind if they don't realize that's the system they'll get under national health care. They won't get paid enough for anyone.
| 825 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 8:55:46am |
Report: One-fourth of overseas votes go uncounted
WASHINGTON (AP) - One out of every four ballots requested by military personnel and other Americans living overseas for the 2008 election may have gone uncounted, according to findings being released at a Senate hearing Wednesday.
Sen. Charles Schumer, chairman of the Senate Rules and Administration Committee, said the study, while providing only a snapshot of voting patterns, "is enough to show that the balloting process for service members is clearly in need of an overhaul."
The committee, working with the Congressional Research Service, surveyed election offices in seven states with high numbers of military personnel: California, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Texas, Washington and West Virginia.
It said that of 441,000 absentee ballots requested by eligible voters living abroad - mainly active-duty and reserve troops - more than 98,000 were "lost" ballots that were mailed out but never received by election officials. Taking into account 13,500 ballots that were rejected for such reasons as a missing signature or failure to notarize, one-quarter of those requesting a ballot were disenfranchised.
| 826 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 8:55:58am |
re: #740 alegrias
* * * *
This is the problem with the culture promoting "recreational" sex among kids, like the ones who live around me in public housing.
Young girls of 13, 14 & 15 pushing strollers, never marrying nor finishing school, "baby daddies" of 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, hanging out on the street corners to sell drugs at night on the Obama-Biden open air drug markets.
Yeah, I call it the Obama-Biden drug market because the public house on the corner at the epicenter of this drug area has its Obama-Biden sticker on the door (and the Kerry-Edwards sticker next door as well).
Why don't the courts prosecute the adult men for statutory rape?!
| 827 |
J.S. Wed, May 13, 2009 8:56:23am |
re: #788 turn
No problem...you know, I think this whole court case with the former Gitmo guy claiming "torture" highlights a huge problem. Apparently, the terrorists (or would-be terrorists, such as the one who assisted the would-be shoe bomber) can, quite literally, act with impunity (plot mass murder, do their get-togethers, collect the supplies, attempt to carry out their nefarious deeds, etc.) and the up-shot? Well, if they're apprehended prior to their murder spree (if they're not apprehended and can successfully carry out a plot, then, usually they're dead) but if they're prevented from carrying out their crimes, then they can use Western jurisprudence to eventually make a case/file lawsuits, and, potentially, enrich themselves (they can claim "I was tortured!" win a judgment, then collect millions)...and all done, by, oh the irony, asserting that they are the victims! Yet another instance when the law becomes an ass, and justice is inverted. (the jihadists can use that inherent suicide meme contained in Western law to great advantage. It really infuriates me).
| 829 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 8:56:57am |
re: #816 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So now, there are 2 industries which I never need to look at again since the government is taking care of them.
American Cars
NewspapersI won't give either a fucking dime
* * * *
Newsflash: You're already giving them money--YOU are the bailer-outer!
You paid for the new "Gettelfinger Motors" all UAW members' lifetime benefits.
You'll pay for the newspapers' bailouts because Obama's got to make up for the tax money newspapers USED to pay.
| 830 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 8:57:11am |
re: #743 Flyers1974
If father disappears, i.e., fails to show up for contempt hearing, the judge will absolutely issue a warrant for his arrest - assuming of course that the father was properly served with summons to appear in court. If you are referring to father disappearing prior to paternity being established, well that is indeed an issue.
I'm referring to the latter scenario.
| 831 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 8:57:23am |
re: #826 MandyManners
Why don't the courts prosecute the adult men for statutory rape?!
And break up the "families"?
/I've actually heard that excuse
| 832 |
jorline Wed, May 13, 2009 8:57:49am |
re: #816 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So now, there are 2 industries which I never need to look at again since the government is taking care of them.
American Cars
NewspapersI won't give either a fucking dime
Sleeping good here knowing how well the government has maintained SS & Medicare.
///////////////////////////////////////
| 833 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 8:58:03am |
re: #829 alegrias
* * * *
Newsflash: You're already giving them money--YOU are the bailer-outer!You paid for the new "Gettelfinger Motors" all UAW members' lifetime benefits.
You'll pay for the newspapers' bailouts because Obama's got to make up for the tax money newspapers USED to pay.
Thats my point. I already paid them once, they dont need another dime out of me.
| 834 |
Sharmuta Wed, May 13, 2009 8:59:07am |
I'm popping my head out of the rabbit hole just long enough to mention Grace Slick could really blow.
| 835 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 8:59:12am |
re: #832 jorline
Sleeping good here knowing how well the government has maintained SS & Medicare.
///////////////////////////////////////
AKA "I'll never see a dime of it"
| 836 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 8:59:15am |
re: #774 Ward Cleaver
I thought that abortion was forbidden under islam.
Yes, they wait until they're old enough to carry a bomb belt.
| 838 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 8:59:53am |
re: #820 Walter L. Newton
Heh. When I start referring to myself in the third person it will be time for an intervention.
| 840 |
johnnyreb Wed, May 13, 2009 9:00:10am |
re: #801 redstateredneck
I call them out on the butt covering. I ask them if it's medically necessary and if they can't tell me that it is, then I say no. It's remarkable how many of them will come clean and admit that it's a test you don't have to have.
My heart doctor told me the same thing. He said: if you go to Midas, you are going to get a muffler, if you go to a heart doctor you are gonna get a bunch of very expensive tests.
| 841 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 9:00:13am |
re: #836 Kosh's Shadow
Yes, they wait until they're old enough to carry a bomb belt.
Islam allows abortion only after the 50th trimester
| 842 |
rhino2 Wed, May 13, 2009 9:00:18am |
| 843 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 9:00:22am |
re: #838 Killgore Trout
Heh. When I start referring to myself in the third person it will be time for an intervention.
[Link: www.tvovermind.com...]
| 844 |
Flyers1974 Wed, May 13, 2009 9:01:02am |
re: #793 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
re: #830 MandyManners
I'm referring to the latter scenario.
I don't know how common this scenario is - there is a powerful incentive for the mother to find the father and pursue the matter in court. In my experience the mothers are quite aggressive. Money is money after all.
| 845 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 9:01:31am |
re: #843 Walter L. Newton
Are there any spoilers?
I have to run out soon but I'll read it over lunch if it's safe.
| 846 |
Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 9:01:48am |
re: #794 vxbush
Once I get everything cleaned up enough to live in, I have to have it rewired and re-plumbed. The plumbing I can handles some of myself (I had one of those handy-dad types raise me.)
| 847 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 9:02:05am |
re: #831 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And break up the "families"?
/I've actually heard that excuse
*shaking head*
| 848 |
Walter L. Newton Wed, May 13, 2009 9:02:44am |
re: #845 Killgore Trout
Are there any spoilers?
I have to run out soon but I'll read it over lunch if it's safe.
It's safe, but a very interesting comment about the ending.
| 849 |
debutaunt Wed, May 13, 2009 9:02:44am |
| 850 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 9:02:51am |
I also find it very troubling that Instapundit smears Obama by comparing him to Lincoln. It's just insanity.
| 851 |
JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 9:03:27am |
re: #822 MandyManners
She can name as many or as few as she wants but, what if they just go *poof*?
DNA to confirm. Put a alert out, they have to completely go off the gird to get away.
Nothings perfect.
What we have no is completely FUBARed.
| 852 |
eddiebear Wed, May 13, 2009 9:03:30am |
re: #850 Killgore Trout
Yeah, that's an insult to Lincoln.
| 853 |
Killgore Trout Wed, May 13, 2009 9:03:33am |
re: #848 Walter L. Newton
Cool. I'll read it this afternoon. I've caused enough trouble here for now. Gotta go.
| 854 |
Flyers1974 Wed, May 13, 2009 9:04:16am |
re: #844 Flyers1974
re: #830 MandyManners
I don't know how common this scenario is - there is a powerful incentive for the mother to find the father and pursue the matter in court. In my experience the mothers are quite aggressive. Money is money after all.
When I said "in my experience" I didn't mean "in my personal experience," just wanted to clarify.
| 855 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 9:04:40am |
re: #826 MandyManners
Why don't the courts prosecute the adult men for statutory rape?!
* * * * *
HAHAHAHA. But seriously, it takes a village--of taxpayers nearby.
This is all democrat run northern Virginia. These are just alternative extended families.
Our mayor grew up in these same "historic" neighborhoods (drug infested public housing projects).
ACORN is thick as thieves here in the Housing Authority, with ward heelers living in the Obama-Biden bumpersticker plastered units.
| 856 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 9:05:18am |
| 857 |
eddiebear Wed, May 13, 2009 9:06:00am |
re: #855 alegrias
Also, could you imagine the protests from ACORN types if the authorities actually tried to curtail this activity.
Gotta keep the voting base stoked for the next election.
| 858 |
Irish Rose Wed, May 13, 2009 9:06:03am |
Good morning lizards, I'm popping in late today but wanted to mention that I'm running a poll over at the blog, "Creation or Evolution: which is the valid theory?"
Your vote and sane input would be very much appreciated.
Hope you're all having a great day :).
| 859 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 9:06:07am |
re: #837 Iron Fist
That is what about 90% of thedebate over parental notification laws is really about. There have been some interesting exposes done of Planned Parrenthoood where the reporter called claiming to be like 15, with a "baby daddy" in his 30's, and they are just like, cool with it. Giving the "kid" instructions on how to keep her "man" out of trouble.
Aiding and abetting after the fact!
| 860 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 9:07:07am |
re: #844 Flyers1974
re: #830 MandyManners
I don't know how common this scenario is - there is a powerful incentive for the mother to find the father and pursue the matter in court. In my experience the mothers are quite aggressive. Money is money after all.
I'm not talking about men who are employed.
| 861 |
Kragar Wed, May 13, 2009 9:09:15am |
Democrats disagree that SS is in trouble
However, Democratic critics drew different findings from the report, arguing that it showed that Social Security was not in a crisis situation and did not require the private accounts that the administration wants to establish for younger workers.
"Today's report confirms that the so-called Social Security crisis exists in only one place -- the minds of Republicans," said Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada. "In reality, the program is on solid ground for decades to come."
OOPS, this was from 2005, when Bush and the Republicans were trying to do something about it. I guess its only in trouble when the Democrats decide its an issue.
| 862 |
Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 9:09:24am |
re: #842 rhino2
I was born in 1986.
There a prize for youngest lizard?
yer still wet behind the ears
| 863 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 9:09:49am |
re: #851 JCM
DNA to confirm. Put a alert out, they have to completely go off the gird to get away.
Nothings perfect.
What we have no is completely FUBARed.
Can you order a DNA test based on just the mother's word? As far as the alerts go, it is possible to go completely off the grid. What if the father is found when the child is 10 or 15 or 18. Can you make him pay retroactive CS or, are you barred by the fact that there never was a court order for CS in the first place?
| 864 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 9:10:59am |
re: #855 alegrias
* * * * *
HAHAHAHA. But seriously, it takes a village--of taxpayers nearby.This is all democrat run northern Virginia. These are just alternative extended families.
Our mayor grew up in these same "historic" neighborhoods (drug infested public housing projects).ACORN is thick as thieves here in the Housing Authority, with ward heelers living in the Obama-Biden bumpersticker plastered units.
Makes ya' wanna' throw up your hands and walk away.
| 865 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 9:11:14am |
Oh dear, Craigslist has to abandon its exotic services business.
| 866 |
MandyManners Wed, May 13, 2009 9:11:39am |
re: #858 Irish Rose
Good morning lizards, I'm popping in late today but wanted to mention that I'm running a poll over at the blog, "Creation or Evolution: which is the valid theory?"
Your vote and sane input would be very much appreciated.
Hope you're all having a great day :).
Creationism is a theory?
| 868 |
Russkilitlover Wed, May 13, 2009 9:12:00am |
re: #861 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Democrats disagree that SS is in trouble
OOPS, this was from 2005, when Bush and the Republicans were trying to do something about it. I guess its only in trouble when the Democrats decide its an issue.
Oh, goody! Now reporters will nail Reid with this past statement.....waiting.....waiting.....waiting........zzzzzzzzz
| 869 |
njdhockeyfan Wed, May 13, 2009 9:12:12am |
Work accident...
Palestinian killed, 20 others hurt in blast at militant's Gaza home
An explosion ripped through the house of an Islamic Jihad member in the central Gaza Strip on Monday, killing him and injuring 20 others, Palestinian security officials said.
The militant, a member of Islamic Jihad's armed wing, was identified as 30-year-old Ala al-Hessi.
Islamic Jihad spokesman Abu Anass said al-Hessi was killed when explosives he was handling went off.
| 871 |
Honorary Yooper Wed, May 13, 2009 9:13:22am |
re: #650 Killgore Trout
Very interesting. You'd think with the bitter history of Russia and fascism that they'd go a different direction.
Not really. Stalin used a bit of fascism-lite to muster suppoer for Russia against the Nazis in WWII. He had trouble whipping up support for the war until he framed it as for the Motherland, adding a nationalistic element to it. Russians have also gone ahead and bullied, terrorized, and deported many of their minorities in the past, whether it be Jews, Germans, Cossacks, etc.
| 872 |
debutaunt Wed, May 13, 2009 9:14:27am |
re: #869 njdhockeyfan
Discounted Acme Karma Explosive Company bombs.
| 873 |
acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 9:14:32am |
re: #763 JCM
I've thought about that....
Too intrusive IMHO.
Dead beat swinging dicks is just a sore spot with me.
As a foster parent I see the grimy guts what the welfare state has wrought on families and children. I see the crime which absent fathers contribute immensely too.
The '60's brought about the idea of sex with no consequences.
We're paying the consequences of that in big time now.
No, I'm not a prude, really don't care what a person does. Just be responsible for the consequences. Is that too much to ask?
I did front-line welfare for four years before becoming IT Support. I wanted to hunt down and machete the bastards balls off who came and ran.
| 874 |
Flyers1974 Wed, May 13, 2009 9:14:32am |
re: #860 MandyManners
In most cases, the court will not accept long-term unemployment as an excuse. They would deem the father "voluntarily impoverished." Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but in general, the court would at least, calculate child support by assuming the father makes minimum wage. If the father were college educated, then the calculation would be higher - again, absent a reasonable excuse, i.e., illness. But there, the court would require documentation.
| 875 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 9:15:04am |
"My visit to the Aida refugee camp this afternoon gives me a welcome opportunity to express my solidarity with all the homeless Palestinians who long to be able to return to their birthplace, or to live permanently in a homeland of their own," said the pope. "To all the officials of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency who care for the refugees, I express the appreciation felt by countless men and women all over the world for the work that is done here and in other camps throughout the region."
No mention of the suicide attacks the barrier is preventing.
I guess Mel Gibson might feel comfortable in the Church again.
[REST OF MY COMMENT DELETED]
| 876 |
alegrias Wed, May 13, 2009 9:15:24am |
re: #864 MandyManners
Makes ya' wanna' throw up your hands and walk away.
* * **
Actually, Mandy, it makes me wanna fight. Last week we knocked off TWO count them TWO whole DEMOCRATS on the City Council that supports this goldplated drug market & "historic neighborhood" with nonstop DASH transportation buses and benefits available no where else on Earth.
It's a start.
Dems want the GITMO boyz in our hood now, presumably for the Federal dollars.
| 877 |
JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 9:16:00am |
re: #873 acwgusa
I did front-line welfare for four years before becoming IT Support. I wanted to hunt down and machete the bastards balls off who came and ran.
There's an inducement to good behavior.
Behave or meet acwgusa and his machete!
/ ;-P
| 878 |
Kosh's Shadow Wed, May 13, 2009 9:16:05am |
re: #869 njdhockeyfan
Work accident...
Palestinian killed, 20 others hurt in blast at militant's Gaza home
Good. May this happen to all the terrorists in Gaza.
| 879 |
Honorary Yooper Wed, May 13, 2009 9:16:13am |
re: #866 MandyManners
Creationism is a theory?
If it ever was a theory, it has been long debunked, discredited, and disproven. Why some folks think that one must be a creationist to be a conservative is beyond me. We don't need to stick to old crap that has no validity in the modern world.
| 880 |
Russkilitlover Wed, May 13, 2009 9:17:51am |
re: #875 Kosh's Shadow
"My visit to the Aida refugee camp this afternoon gives me a welcome opportunity to express my solidarity with all the homeless Palestinians who long to be able to return to their birthplace,
[Emphasis mine]
This statement certainly is helpful -like gasoline on a fire. /
| 881 |
Irish Rose Wed, May 13, 2009 9:18:10am |
re: #866 MandyManners
Creationism is a theory?
My oops, but I can't change the poll header once there are votes.
Overlook it, and attribute the error to lack of caffiene.
| 882 |
smokefire Wed, May 13, 2009 9:18:51am |
re: #864 MandyManners
Can't they be charged with violating RICO statues?
| 883 |
acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 9:20:48am |
re: #877 JCM
There's an inducement to good behavior.
Behave or meet acwgusa and his machete!
/ ;-P
I can tell you, as bitter as people are about welfare, the people handing it out can match in the bitterness department. I hate wasting taxpayer funds.
| 884 |
Eowyn2 Wed, May 13, 2009 9:21:55am |
re: #869 njdhockeyfan
Work accident...
Palestinian killed, 20 others hurt in blast at militant's Gaza home
it was the death hair rays that made it go off.
| 885 |
turn Wed, May 13, 2009 9:23:11am |
re: #780 Eowyn2
That's a lot of work. ha, reminds me of the first house I bought - for $6k if you can believe that. The owner carried the paper and I paid it off for $150 per month. The floors were shot and there probably wasn't one board in it that hadn't been chewed by termites. The first time I crawled under the house I found out that part of the floor was propped up with friggin mayonnaise jars if you can believe that. We used to have some fun ass parties in that house. I don't know if you ever read about my cat Jellybean who ate salad, well I had him back when I lived in that house. btw I fixed the place up and sold it several years later for $17.5k, man did I think I made a killing. Fond memories.
| 886 |
JCM Wed, May 13, 2009 9:24:17am |
re: #883 acwgusa
I can tell you, as bitter as people are about welfare, the people handing it out can match in the bitterness department. I hate wasting taxpayer funds.
I don't have a problem with helping people who need it. I do foster care, and foster care payments don't cover expenses, we've also hosted in our home mom's abandoned by their husbands.
It's not compassion to have and to continue have a perpetual welfare class. It damages the individuals, and society.
| 887 |
quickjustice Wed, May 13, 2009 9:24:37am |
re: #729 opnion
I represented several hundred Pennsylvania physicians back in the 1990s against the CAT Fund, which had overcharged them $150 million in premiums. I also sued Tom Ridge and some members of his cabinet in the same case. It was a bloody mess, with the Philadelphia Mafia, corrupt trial lawyers, and fixed judges all over it.
| 888 |
acwgusa Wed, May 13, 2009 9:26:08am |
re: #886 JCM
I don't have a problem with helping people who need it. I do foster care, and foster care payments don't cover expenses, we've also hosted in our home mom's abandoned by their husbands.
It's not compassion to have and to continue have a perpetual welfare class. It damages the individuals, and society.
The running joke about Medicaid, and its a gallows humor joke, is that welfare covers those who are eligible, not those who need it.
| 889 |
Creeping Eruption Wed, May 13, 2009 9:45:51am |
re: #873 acwgusa
I did front-line welfare for four years before becoming IT Support. I wanted to hunt down and machete the bastards balls off who came and ran.
The local news station I watch has a running segment about dead beat dads. They are always confronting these guys in awkward places (chasing them down out of state, etc.) Its great. Most of the time, the Sheriff is seen hauling them off to the klink.
| 890 |
Guanxi88 Wed, May 13, 2009 9:49:51am |
re: #889 Creeping Eruption
The local news station I watch has a running segment about dead beat dads. They are always confronting these guys in awkward places (chasing them down out of state, etc.) Its great. Most of the time, the Sheriff is seen hauling them off to the klink.
Great, so it's not enough they impoverish the children they spawn, and the taxpayers who all too often have to come in and try to pick up the pieces, but we've got to devote MORE tax dollars to apprehending and locking these SOB's up.
Work farms!
| 891 |
J.D. Wed, May 13, 2009 10:23:13am |
re: #745 solomonpanting
What are there, 76 million baby boomers? Just think of the savings!
I'm one of 'em!
I plan on holding onto my insurance for the duration.
If Obama messes with the insurance of any of my employees who voted for him (one did), I guarantee I won't give a damn.
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