Punkin’ the Nirthers

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That “Kenyan birth certificate” promoted by World Net Daily, Orly Taitz, Free Republic, and quite a few bloggers turns out to have been a deliberate prank on the Nirthers. They were well and truly punk’d.

The first words I wrote immediately after seeing the latest incarnation of the Nirth Certifikit:

Today we get a ludicrous effort by head Nirther Orly Taitz to foist off an obviously fake “Kenyan birth certificate” with Barack Obama’s name on it.

Not that I would ever say “I told you so.”

Or nya nya, Freepers, nya nya.

Or anything childish like that.

Just sayin’.

UPDATE at 8/6/09 5:29:52 pm:

Here’s the anonymous blogger who posted the high resolution images proving the punkage: Birthers Punk’d! Hoax Kenyan Birth Certificate.

Fine cotton business paper: $11

Inkjet printer: $35

1940 Royal Model KMM manual typewriter: $10

2 Shilling coin: $1

Pilot Varsity fountain pen: $3

Punkin’ the Birthers: Priceless

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822 comments
1 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:23:13pm

Hooray!!

2 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:23:14pm

back to the drawing board...plan C or D or little plans E, F, and G

3 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:23:28pm

LMAO!

4 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:23:33pm

I'm pretty sure that making yourself a laughingstock will not earn votes.

5 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:24:03pm

ha
hahahahahaha
hahaha

heeehaaahahaaa

really. They are that.dumb.

6 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:24:10pm

Genius.

7 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:24:17pm

That was sadly easy to pull off. I can't wait for the next one.

8 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:24:20pm

no-cred flows downhill

9 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:24:27pm

pwned

10 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:24:44pm

Excellent.
/Mr. Burns

11 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:25:27pm

This is also fun

Kenyan Birth Certificate Generator

12 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:26:33pm

The first words I wrote about this as soon as I saw the picture:

Today we get a ludicrous effort by head Nirther Orly Taitz to foist off an obviously fake “Kenyan birth certificate” with Barack Obama’s name on it.

Not that I would ever say "I told you so."

Or nya nya, Freepers, nya nya.

Or anything childish like that.

13 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:27:29pm

is there a National Nirther spokesperson?...a strategy?...who will speak for them and how will they explain this shell game?

14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:28:04pm

If you see the other pictures, there's no doubt at all it was a prank.

15 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:28:25pm

Kind of funny I suggested Ashton Kutcher punk Orly the other day- I guess he was beat to the punch. I bet she'd fall for another one though.

16 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:28:36pm

re: #13 albusteve

If you google it..Lizards, Ann Coulter and the liberals sites show up..hard to say who is the head nirth here

17 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:28:53pm

"And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you darn kids!"
/scooby doo!!!

18 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:29:00pm

The sans graal will redouble their efforts in the Quest for the True Cert.

19 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:29:34pm

so Orly is their commander in chief?

20 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:29:43pm

re: #14 Charles

If you see the other pictures, there's no doubt at all it was a prank.

How easy was that?

Not that I'm saying others should do similar stuff. Not at all. Not even for fun and entertainment. Nope.

21 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:29:44pm

re: #13 albusteve

I think the email address for the Chief is dumbass at nirther dot com.

22 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:29:47pm

re: #18 jaunte

The sans graal will redouble their efforts in the Quest for the True Cert.

This is only proof that we're getting too close to the truth!

23 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:29:58pm

I wondered what the meaning of that red striped carpet was when I first saw the picture -- it was the proof of the punking.

24 flyovercountry  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:30:05pm

Really, they couldn't read those tea-leaves? time for O.J. to look for the real Nirth Cert. on every golf course in America. Maybe he'll have time to investigate the JFK assasination, the Apallo Moon Landing, Chem Trails, 911, Jim Morrisons early demise...

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:30:11pm

re: #17 Cannadian Club Akbar

"And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you darn kids!"
/scooby doo!!!

Do you know how disappointed I was when I grew up and discovered that

a. there are no hologram projectors

b. Rubber masks that come off at a pull don't fool anyone in person

All my childhood dreams, washed away by reality...

26 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:30:38pm

This is a classic. My hat's off to whoever did it.

27 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:30:52pm

re: #22 Sharmuta

This is only proof that we're getting too close to the truth!

You know how simple it would be to forge a red-striped carpet? Ha!
///

28 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:31:06pm

Inadvertent funny: "Punkin" is the name of Rush L.'s cat.

29 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:31:23pm

re: #25 EmmmieG

Do you know how disappointed I was when I grew up and discovered that

a. there are no hologram projectors

b. Rubber masks that come off at a pull don't fool anyone in person

All my childhood dreams, washed away by reality...

Sit down. There is something I need to tell you about Santa...

30 eon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:31:25pm

The Nirthers just got gonged.

/really old TV ref.

cheers

eon

31 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:31:44pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

Kind of funny I suggested Ashton Kutcher punk Orly the other day- I guess he was beat to the punch. I bet she'd fall for another one though.

Wait until you see who took the pictures.

32 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:32:31pm

re: #31 CyanSnowHawk

well, hellooo there.

33 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:32:37pm

Here's the anonymous post from the punker:

[Link: fearlessblogging.com...]

34 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:32:53pm

Well played Charles. A testament to anti-idiotarianism.

35 eon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:33:15pm

re: #25 EmmmieG

Do you know how disappointed I was when I grew up and discovered that

a. there are no hologram projectors

b. Rubber masks that come off at a pull don't fool anyone in person

All my childhood dreams, washed away by reality...

And even Rollin Hand can't fool a voiceprint analyzer.

/ Plan B, Mr. Phelps?

cheers

eon

36 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:33:38pm

re: #32 ArmyWife

well, hellooo there.

Do you need some time alone?

37 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:34:25pm

re: #36 CyanSnowHawk

I've regained composure.

38 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:34:45pm

re: #26 Charles

This is a classic. My hat's off to whoever did it.

Comment from the linked story:

It's a lot like the "fake" documents that ended up costing Dan Rather his job. Give someone a fake document that confirms their beliefs then show it to be a fake. The argument then becomes about the faked document rather than the questions originally posed.



Heh.

You set ol' Dan up!

39 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:35:22pm

re: #30 eon

The Nirthers just got gonged.

/really old TV ref.

cheers

eon

speak for yourself...that was just a few years back :)

40 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:35:45pm

I wish, I really wish I had the balls to have done something like that.

That was brilliant.

How long until the nirther side assumes it was a set up from the Obama people to make them look bad?

41 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:36:03pm

re: #38 Racer X

Heh.

You set ol' Dan up!

Shhh!

42 Neutral President  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:36:13pm

re: #13 albusteve

is there a National Nirther spokesperson?...a strategy?...who will speak for them and how will they explain this shell game?

ORLY Taitz is Head Nirther In Charge. No doubt she will totally ignore this shell game and move onto the next easily debunkable fairy tale about Obama's birth. Conspiracy kooks never go away. There will still be nirthers in 2109 who will say "remember back when that Kenyan..."

43 eon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:36:24pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

I wish, I really wish I had the balls to have done something like that.

That was brilliant.

How long until the nirther side assumes it was a set up from the Obama people to make them look bad?

3, 2, 1...

cheers

eon

44 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:36:25pm

re: #38 Racer X

Gotta love the quotation marks around those "fake" documents pimped by Rather.

45 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:37:12pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

I wish, I really wish I had the balls to have done something like that.

That was brilliant.

How long until the nirther side assumes realizes it was a set up from the Obama people to make them look bad?


Fixed.

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:37:56pm

re: #45 Racer X

Fixed.

Nobody can make you look bad without at least some assistance from you.

Except, maybe, Sacha Baron Cohen.

47 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:38:13pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

I wish, I really wish I had the balls to have done something like that.

That was brilliant.

How long until the nirther side assumes it was a set up from the Obama people to make them look bad?

About 5 seconds, apparently--this is a comment left on the post by the anonymous blogger:

"Believe me, I am a fraud" is what we are being basically told.

Why should we trust anyone who presents himself as a forger?

And who would have an interest in muddling the issue of where the Fraudster-in-Chief was born but HIMSELF and his accomplices?

Let's SEE the Honolulu birth certificate, which he has spent thousands trying to keep from the eyes of WE THE PEOPLE, and until then, let the speculation as to WHAT he is UNDOUBTEDLY HIDING lay where it belongs: at HIS feet.

Denial. For some, it's a lifestyle choice.

48 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:38:51pm

re: #33 Charles

Here's the anonymous post from the punker:

[Link: fearlessblogging.com...]

From a comment there:

Only dangerously gullible idiots would be right-wingers. Idiots one and all.

Obviously.

/

49 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:39:17pm

re: #42 ArchangelMichael

ORLY Taitz is Head Nirther In Charge. No doubt she will totally ignore this shell game and move onto the next easily debunkable fairy tale about Obama's birth. Conspiracy kooks never go away. There will still be nirthers in 2109 who will say "remember back when that Kenyan..."

seems like the GOP is gonna have some perception problems pretty soon...what happens when the Nirther Nation claims victory over BO in 2012?

50 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:39:45pm

re: #49 albusteve

shut yer mouth!

51 haakondahl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:39:48pm

Well. Glad we've heard the last of that, then.

52 96RoadKing  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:39:59pm

Unfortunately, there are still going to be those individuals that will still believe O's not a natural born citizen. They are falling into the trap of emotionalism that caused Bush haters to believe anything negative about Bush (lack of intelligence, scamming the National Guard, being responsible for 9/11, etc), Reagan haters to believe he had Alzheimer's while in office, and JFK conspiracy believers to believe Oswald was a patsy.

53 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:40:17pm
Youtube Video
54 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:40:38pm

re: #50 ArmyWife

shut yer mouth!

NIRTH POWER!

(fake but accurate)

55 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:41:20pm

re: #51 haakondahl

Well. Glad we've heard the last of that, then.

right...who's deal?

56 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:42:15pm

re: #29 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sit down. There is something I need to tell you about Santa...

What about Santa? Isn't he partying with the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny?

58 eon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:43:09pm

re: #49 albusteve

seems like the GOP is gonna have some perception problems pretty soon...what happens when the Nirther Nation claims victory over BO in 2012?

The same thing that happens every time a Democrat wins; as Zell Miller observed of Democratic "interest groups", they'll be up front with a brass band and a laundry list.

Which means that soon, American politics will look a lot like it did in the 19th Century, specifically the 1850s and 1880s. Studying both eras might be a profitable use of leisure time in the coming years, from the standpoint of being able to figure out what's likely to happen next.

cheers

eon

59 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:43:14pm

re: #57 Alouette

Of course.

60 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:43:15pm

re: #57 Alouette

because they were stupid? I don't think that is the fault of the punker.

61 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:43:23pm

re: #57 Alouette

Batshit FReepers, frothing at the mouth, want to prosecute the punker.

Fools rushing to look even more foolish, simply wonderful.

62 96RoadKing  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:43:24pm

re: #56 acwgusa

What about Santa? Isn't he partying with the Tooth Fairy and Easter Bunny?

Santa outgrew them. He's partying down with Jim Morrison & Janice Joplin in Jamaica!

63 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:44:13pm

re: #60 ArmyWife

because they were stupid? I don't think that is the fault of the punker.

The punker fooled them. Of course they think he's(?) at fault.

64 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:45:28pm

[Nelson Voice] Ha ha!

65 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:45:36pm

re: #62 96RoadKing

Santa outgrew them. He's partying down with Jim Morrison & Janice Joplin in Jamaica!

Don't forget Elvis and the Big Bopper.

66 96RoadKing  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:45:44pm

re: #61 FurryOldGuyJeans

Fools rushing to look even more foolish, simply wonderful.


Which moron in Congress will be the first to stand up and ask for a Congressional Hearing? (They won't get one...just wondering who's going to ask for one in order to get attention)

67 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:46:15pm

re: #57 Alouette

Batshit FReepers, frothing at the mouth, want to prosecute the punker.

Oh shit I'm laughing my ass off!


To: jaxon72
First, we do NOT know that the Orly document is a “hoax” at all, do we?

Second, if it IS a “forgery” it is one of the BEST forgery jobs in history.

Try again.


25 posted on August 6, 2009 12:13:41 PM PDT by Kansas58

68 96RoadKing  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:46:18pm

re: #65 acwgusa

Don't forget Elvis and the Big Bopper.


Elvis didn't die...he just went home!

69 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:46:35pm

I guess its time to leave the Republican Party. Again. Back to being an Independent.

70 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:46:40pm

I want to put up Obama "Joker" posters and below it a fake Nirth Certifikat in town. See who hates me most.
/BWAHAHAHAHAHA

71 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:46:42pm

re: #58 eon

The same thing that happens every time a Democrat wins; as Zell Miller observed of Democratic "interest groups", they'll be up front with a brass band and a laundry list.

Which means that soon, American politics will look a lot like it did in the 19th Century, specifically the 1850s and 1880s. Studying both eras might be a profitable use of leisure time in the coming years, from the standpoint of being able to figure out what's likely to happen next.

cheers

eon

yes, agreed...creationists and Nirthers wielding the reins of power...should be interesting...when a congressman cannot go out in public and the POTUS denies the spherical nature of the planet...buckle up

72 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:46:54pm

re: #63 FurryOldGuyJeans

How dare they convince me to run with this obvious forgery!

It is funny as hell, but I truly am not surprised.

I find it amazing this was not done a month ago.

73 eon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:46:59pm

re: #61 FurryOldGuyJeans

Fools rushing to look even more foolish, simply wonderful.

I'd say, "when you're in a hole, stop digging", but in this case I'm hoping they don't stop until they hit the Indian Ocean.

/Contrary to popular belief, the actual antipodal point of most of North America, as opposed to China.

cheers

eon

74 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:47:35pm

re: #66 96RoadKing

I know, I know! Me! ME! Call on me!


ron paul.

75 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:47:43pm

A comment from your link, the nirthers want more and seem to think he may indeed be a Cylon/

"I've read everything I could get my hands on about this guy in the last two years and I know less about him now than I did at the beginning. He's definitely not who you think he is, whatever that is.

Despite his "poor-boy" myth, Obama is:

• a privileged African-American, educated at the finest schools, who has not shared the black American experience
• by birth, blood and training, a Muslim, who became a member of a Marxist, Black-African church
• a socialist whose politics are rooted in Marx and whose tactics were conceived by the communist, Alinsky
• a master at shaping his own mythology
• completely unqualified to be Commander in Chief
• and, he is not now, nor ever has been, a "natural born citizen"
Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing.
Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one exists)
Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None
Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None "

76 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:48:07pm

re: #57 Alouette

Batshit FReepers, frothing at the mouth, want to prosecute the punker.

Wow. The crazy is so strong over there, it stings my eyes.

77 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:48:22pm

re: #61 FurryOldGuyJeans

Fools rushing to look even more foolish, simply wonderful.

Awesome. Maybe the Freepers can hire Orly Taitz to be their lawyer and bring suit. "Dear Anonymous Internet Person, we're going to sue you for being mean!"

Glorious.

78 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:48:23pm

Been hanging out with my son at the Tigers game today

BTW: Tiger starting pitching is gonna make the team to beat in the playoffs, BTW

anyway, what's this about the Obama administration and some Nixonian data mining scheme?

Surprised this didn't make the list of stories today. Maybe later after it's vetted

/later gators. have a great day

79 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:48:53pm

re: #75 avanti

A comment from your link, the nirthers want more and seem to think he may indeed be a Cylon/

"I've read everything I could get my hands on about this guy in the last two years and I know less about him now than I did at the beginning. He's definitely not who you think he is, whatever that is.

Despite his "poor-boy" myth, Obama is:

• a privileged African-American, educated at the finest schools, who has not shared the black American experience
• by birth, blood and training, a Muslim, who became a member of a Marxist, Black-African church
• a socialist whose politics are rooted in Marx and whose tactics were conceived by the communist, Alinsky
• a master at shaping his own mythology
• completely unqualified to be Commander in Chief
• and, he is not now, nor ever has been, a "natural born citizen"
Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing.
Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one exists)
Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None
Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None "

He's the missing 14th Cylon!

80 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:49:29pm

re: #72 formercorpsman

How dare they convince me to run with this obvious forgery!

It is funny as hell, but I truly am not surprised.

I find it amazing this was not done a month ago.

This joke need some proper aging, and right about now it is at the peak of being overly ripe.

81 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:50:06pm

re: #79 acwgusa

He's the missing 14th Cylon!

At the risk of being classified overly rude,

He's the 13th Iman! ;)

82 eon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:50:59pm

re: #71 albusteve

yes, agreed...creationists and Nirthers wielding the reins of power...should be interesting...when a congressman cannot go out in public and the POTUS denies the spherical nature of the planet...buckle up

Also Revolt in 2100 by Heinlein. Which points out that it was The Crazy Years that made it possible for Nehemiah Scudder to become President.

"Enlightened" regimes' tend to be followed by other "enlightened" regimes- the difference being that the successors have a diametrically-opposed definition of what constitutes "enlightenment".

Either way, the average Joe ends up getting it in the shorts.

cheers

eon

83 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:51:03pm

re: #81 FurryOldGuyJeans

At the risk of being classified overly rude,

He's the 13th Iman! ;)

He's a Desert Topping, a floor wax, and makes thousands of Julien Fries! But wait...there's more!

84 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:51:04pm

re: #78 Shug

Been hanging out with my son at the Tigers game today

BTW: Tiger starting pitching is gonna make the team to beat in the playoffs, BTW

anyway, what's this about the Obama administration and some Nixonian data mining scheme?

Surprised this didn't make the list of stories today. Maybe later after it's vetted

/later gators. have a great day

84 Tigers
35-5
still waiting

85 CynicalConservative  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:51:34pm

re: #75 avanti

Don't you start in on the Cylon's again, I thought we had this out last night!

//

86 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:51:52pm

re: #83 acwgusa

He's a Desert Topping, a floor wax, and makes thousands of Julien Fries! But wait...there's more!

A Ron Paulpeil product?!? ARGH!

87 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:52:34pm

re: #80 FurryOldGuyJeans

I just can't believe someone would not be suspicious.

I know, I know, I can answer my own question.

Would the whole Dan Rather thing just not set off the internal alarm, "perhaps this might not be a good idea?"

88 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:52:38pm

re: #81 FurryOldGuyJeans

Amahdinejad is going to be in some seriously deep shit then, over snubbing Obama's no preconditions dialogue.

89 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:52:57pm

Charles, how do you punk a bunch idiots?

Real punking involves people with normal intelligence being had by a great and elaborate ruse.
" You just got punked" followed by extreme surprise !

this was an obvious fraud that was " bought " by only the dumbest of the dumb.

I could probably write an Obama birth certificate on a sheet of toilet paper and fool taitz. Doesn't make me Ashton Kucher.

90 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:53:15pm

I love this one! I just read it from the freepers

First, we do NOT know that the Orly document is a “hoax” at all, do we?

Second, if it IS a “forgery” it is one of the BEST forgery jobs in history.

Try again.


Really? Best in history? Umm this is the guy I wanted checking my "ID" at the liquor store when I was in college.

91 haakondahl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:53:40pm

re: #77 iceweasel

Awesome. Maybe the Freepers can hire Orly Taitz to be their lawyer and bring suit. "Dear Anonymous Internet Person, we're going to sue you for being mean!"

Glorious.

They can probably hire a guy I know to do it, too. He's Nigerian, and I heard from him just yesterday: I AM BARISTER TSVONAKWAME ERDUKIMBEL WENTWORTH, FORMER FINANCIL MANAGER OF THE NIGERAN PETROLIUM COMPANY, AND I HAVE...

Perhaps you know him?

92 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:53:42pm

re: #67 Racer X
Oh shit I'm laughing my ass off!


We have to recognize from the truther movement that no amount of evidence will ever be sufficient for them.

93 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:53:42pm

re: #87 formercorpsman

Do not let logic get in the way, here.

94 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:53:44pm

re: #86 FurryOldGuyJeans

A Ron Paulpeil product?!? ARGH!

No way! He's a Billy Mays' Product!

95 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:53:46pm

re: #84 albusteve

84 Tigers
35-5
still waiting

me too.
Porcello
Verlander
Jackson
Washburn

gonna be tough in any series in October

96 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:54:33pm

re: #87 formercorpsman

I just can't believe someone would not be suspicious.

I know, I know, I can answer my own question.

Would the whole Dan Rather thing just not set off the internal alarm, "perhaps this might not be a good idea?"

People can very easily delude themselves something true regardless to all the evidence that point to the contrary. OMO not being a died-in-the-wool Socialist comes to mind.

97 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:54:57pm

re: #89 Shug

Let's try it! We could save them from embarassment by producing the REAL kenyan birth certificate on official kenyan toilet paper!

98 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:55:02pm

re: #94 acwgusa

No way! He's a Billy Mays' Product!

Billy Mays ain't got no Blimp, man! ;)

99 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:55:20pm

re: #89 Shug

Actually Kutcher usually goes after other celebs, and although I haven't seen every episode, I wouldn't speak to the normalcy of their intelligence or mental faculties in general with any confidence.

100 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:55:57pm

re: #93 ArmyWife

I know. For the last couple of months it has been total scroll over material for me.

It never ends. Idiocy reigns supreme.

101 haakondahl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:55:59pm

re: #89 Shug

Charles, how do you punk a bunch idiots?

Real punking involves people with normal intelligence being had by a great and elaborate ruse.
" You just got punked" followed by extreme surprise !

this was an obvious fraud that was " bought " by only the dumbest of the dumb.

I could probably write an Obama birth certificate on a sheet of toilet paper and fool taitz. Doesn't make me Ashton Kucher.

What are you jealous? You could have, but you didn't. They did, and it went worldwide. Get over yourself.

102 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:56:05pm

re: #98 FurryOldGuyJeans

Billy Mays ain't got no Blimp, man! ;)

True.

103 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:56:21pm

re: #85 CynicalConservative

Don't you start in on the Cylon's again, I thought we had this out last night!

//

Look, don't argue with me, it's true. I heard it from the Imperious Leader, and he's a IL-Series Cylon that knows his stuff.

104 eon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:56:22pm

re: #77 iceweasel

Awesome. Maybe the Freepers can hire Orly Taitz to be their lawyer and bring suit. "Dear Anonymous Internet Person, we're going to sue you for being mean!"

Glorious.

Before they do, though, they might want to get a copy of Louis Nizer's My Life In Court and read up on the Quentin Reynolds vs. Westbrook Pegler libel suit.

Pegler was sure he'd win, on the grounds that everything he'd said to slander Reynolds was absolutely, 100% true, and he could prove it.

Then he brought his "proof" to court.

He lost- big.

cheers

eon

105 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:56:23pm

re: #94 acwgusa

No way! He's a Billy Mays' Product!

No, he's a Vince Offer product. You'll love his nuts!

106 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:56:38pm

MEbst!!!

This one knows too much...

Unidentified Faker Obama

Whatever you think about UFOs there are serious investigators of the few unexplained sightings. The overzealous cause chaos -- but worst of all are the suspected disinformation schemes -- the purpose of them (government?) is to cover up by dissembling, sowing rumors and dissension.

Obama's mother was/wasn't in Seattle and Honolulu at the same time
the Grandmother who did/didn't say this or that
Obama's letter to Kapiolani that's not a letter
the Kenyan birth certificate that's not
the COLBs that are not . . .

Has Obama hired retired U.S.S.R. disinformation specialists? I wonder.

107 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:56:59pm

re: #87 formercorpsman

I just can't believe someone would not be suspicious.

I know, I know, I can answer my own question.

Would the whole Dan Rather thing just not set off the internal alarm, "perhaps this might not be a good idea?"

You're assuming that there was capability of rational thought.

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:57:13pm

re: #89 Shug

Charles, how do you punk a bunch idiots?

This Kenyan sertifikit nonsense is a blueprint for how easy it is to punk idiots.

109 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:57:50pm

What always bothered me about "truthers" was not the honest-to-goodness true believers so much as the people who really didn't believe in the conspiracy theories, but were nevertheless willing to entertain the idea because it suited their greater world view, or their political cause.

We're seeing the same type of mentality play out with the "nirthers".

Not pretty.

110 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:57:53pm

re: #91 haakondahl

They can probably hire a guy I know to do it, too. He's Nigerian, and I heard from him just yesterday: I AM BARISTER TSVONAKWAME ERDUKIMBEL WENTWORTH, FORMER FINANCIL MANAGER OF THE NIGERAN PETROLIUM COMPANY, AND I HAVE...

Perhaps you know him?

There's a whole site, somewhere or other, which is solely devoted to punking Nigerian scamsers. People pretend to believe the email and engage in correspondence with the scammer.

Gotta love American ingenuity. And snark!

111 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:57:57pm

DNC meltdown watch.


Think progress and a manufactured memo?

112 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:57:59pm

Punked. Darn kids

113 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:58:06pm

re: #103 avanti

Look, don't argue with me, it's true. I heard it from the Imperious Leader, and he's a IL-Series Cylon that knows his stuff.

The Cylons would know Nationalized Health Care is a bad idea. Oh wait, they did. They nuked Caprica, and left.

114 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:58:27pm

The area 51 certificate was much merrier.

115 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:58:28pm

Well, I was just over at WND, and they have an article where they say they uncovered that this was a fake. Yep, there right on the case LOL.

These people are starting to stretch their credibility as much as Obama is. Obama lies, Orly lies, WND lies, it's becoming epidemic.

116 mrkwong  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:58:52pm

re: #75 avanti

A comment from your link, the nirthers want more and seem to think he may indeed be a Cylon/

We know there's a lot hidden (and perhaps outright fraudulent) in Obama's background, but that doesn't buy the nirthers any breathing room for chasing a bit of utter silliness.

117 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:58:56pm

World Nut Daily...
Obama birth doc update: Kenya sources weigh in
Comparison with similar certificates suggests fakery, WND probe reveals


By Jerome R. Corsi

NEW YORK – The Kenyan birth document released by California attorney Orly Taitz is probably not authentic, according to WND's investigative operatives in Africa, though officials in Nairobi do not rule out the possibility President Obama may indeed have been born in their country.

118 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:59:06pm

re: #107 acwgusa

No, I was never expecting that from them. Some folks do not want to be talked off the ledge.

I do like poetic justice though.

They have been diverting attention away from the real issues.

119 CynicalConservative  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:59:39pm

Final vote on stealing $2B from Stimulus plan for Cash/Clunkers happening now in the Senate.

120 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:00:01pm

re: #113 acwgusa

The Cylons would know Nationalized Health Care is a bad idea. Oh wait, they did. They nuked Caprica, and left.

Yep, say what you want about the Cylons, but they are strong on national defense.

121 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:00:28pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

World Nut Daily...
Obama birth doc update: Kenya sources weigh in
Comparison with similar certificates suggests fakery, WND probe reveals


By Jerome R. Corsi


World Net Daily. My daily preacher of truth, next to the National Inquirer.

//

122 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:00:34pm

re: #119 CynicalConservative

Final vote on stealing $2B from Stimulus plan for Cash/Clunkers happening now in the Senate.

Thanks, I'll watch.

123 Danny  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:00:57pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

How conveeenient.

124 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:01:47pm

re: #110 iceweasel

There's a whole site, somewhere or other, which is solely devoted to punking Nigerian scamsers. People pretend to believe the email and engage in correspondence with the scammer.

Gotta love American ingenuity. And snark!

Hey he mailed me too, he said that his great faith in Jesus led him to contact me about a large sum of maney.

If he is contacting you too, you must also be a good person. Let's be friends!

125 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:01:49pm

re: #120 avanti

Yep, say what you want about the Cylons, but they are strong on national defense.

And national offense, and space-based weaponry, and land-based weaponry, and bio-technology...

Hey! They're Republicans! They're heartless war-mongering machines!

//

126 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:02:31pm

re: #111 FrogMarch

Kratovil won by painting himself as a moderate - the margin of win against Andy Harris was quite slim. The area he represents on the Eastern Shore is made up of many Watermen. They are a tough bunch and won't back down to much.

Andy is laughing right now, I'd bet.

127 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:02:52pm

re: #119 CynicalConservative

Final vote on stealing $2B from Stimulus plan for Cash/Clunkers happening now in the Senate.

Are you kidding?

This CFC deal was an unqualified success! The government was able to give Billions of dollars away in a record amount of time. Hell, they may make this deal permanent.

Stimulus Maximus.

128 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:07pm

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

Well, I was just over at WND, and they have an article where they say they uncovered that this was a fake. Yep, there right on the case LOL.

These people are starting to stretch their credibility as much as Obama is. Obama lies, Orly lies, WND lies, it's becoming epidemic.

it's here...it's on us now, and I can barely keep up and not really sure I even care anymore...it's all more like a gameshow

129 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:12pm

re: #119 CynicalConservative

Final vote on stealing $2B from Stimulus plan for Cash/Clunkers happening now in the Senate.

Unintended Consequences. Cash for Clunkers is killing mechanics.

130 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:13pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

quite the probe, isn't it?

131 1SG(ret)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:24pm

re: #111 FrogMarch

Not to worry. Security is on the way

132 eon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:31pm

re: #119 CynicalConservative

Final vote on stealing $2B from Stimulus plan for Cash/Clunkers happening now in the Senate.

This is looking more and more like the plotline of a Leonard Wibberly novel. With Harry Reid as Mountjoy.

Just not as cute, and not even remotely funny.

/Reid is no Peter Sellers, for one.

cheers

eon

133 CynicalConservative  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:40pm

re: #129 CyanSnowHawk

Unintended Consequences. Cash for Clunkers is killing mechanics.

Not surprised.

134 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:48pm

re: #119 CynicalConservative

Final vote on stealing $2B from Stimulus plan for Cash/Clunkers happening now in the Senate.

There's nothing like faking some car sales activity to increase the deficit and load a little more on the total consumer debt.

135 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:50pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

World Nut Daily...
Obama birth doc update: Kenya sources weigh in
Comparison with similar certificates suggests fakery, WND probe reveals

By Jerome R. Corsi The Kenyan birth document released by California attorney Orly Taitz is probably not authentic, according to WND's investigative operatives in Africa, though officials in Nairobi do not rule out the possibility President Obama may indeed have been born in their country.

Delusional. I liked Kos' take on that:

Ha ha ha ha ha! I'm sure it had nothing to do with the near-immediate discovery that the source of that birth certificate was actually an Australian birth certificate. It was, in reality, their crack wingnut investigative team that took several days to debunk the dubunked.

I wonder what tipped off their "investigative operatives in Africa"? How many days did it take them to realise Kenya wasn't even called "The Republic of Kenya" at the time?

This has been a glorious avalanche of FAIL.

136 CynicalConservative  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:50pm

re: #127 Racer X

Are you kidding?

This CFC deal was an unqualified success! The government was able to give Billions of dollars away in a record amount of time. Hell, they may make this deal permanent.

Stimulus Maximus.

:-)

137 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:54pm

If the repercussions from this Nirth kookery weren't so serious it would be a great belly laugh. Congress certified the election, OMO won, done deal. Nothing else matters now about the election. Now is the time to not give the man another 4 years, and clean out the stygian stables that is Congress.

138 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:04:17pm

re: #110 iceweasel

There's a whole site, somewhere or other, which is solely devoted to punking Nigerian scamsers. People pretend to believe the email and engage in correspondence with the scammer.

Gotta love American ingenuity. And snark!

Here are some sites:

http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com
http://scamorama.com/
http://www.419eater.com

139 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:04:42pm

Would it be wrong of me to have thought there might be a problem with idea of Kenya having the capacity to accurately keep birth records to begin with?

My mental image of somehow going to Kenya, and the file clerk there is just waiting to help your investigate the archives seems like a farce to begin with.

But, I will admit up front, I could be totally wrong about how the Kenyan government structure operates.

140 CynicalConservative  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:04:44pm

re: #134 jaunte

There's nothing like faking some car sales activity to increase the deficit and load a little more on the total consumer debt.

"But we meant well."

/

141 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:05:00pm

re: #129 CyanSnowHawk

Unintended Consequences. Cash for Clunkers is killing mechanics.

Right now I am finding it hard to believe the consequences like this weren't already thought of.

142 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:05:06pm

re: #135 iceweasel

I wonder what tipped off their "investigative operatives in Africa"? How many days did it take them to realise Kenya wasn't even called "The Republic of Kenya" at the time?

This has been a glorious avalanche of FAIL.

California Attorney. That says it all.

143 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:05:09pm

re: #115 Walter L. Newton

Well, I was just over at WND, and they have an article where they say they uncovered that this was a fake. Yep, there right on the case LOL.

These people are starting to stretch their credibility as much as Obama is. Obama lies, Orly lies, WND lies, it's becoming epidemic.

It might be time to up the ante and send in a real, live ringer. Anybody here a 65 or older black guy who wants to stand up as a "witness"? A really bad Kenyan accent would be a plus when we get you together with Orly for an interview.

144 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:05:32pm

re: #134 jaunte

There's nothing like faking some car sales activity to increase the deficit and load a little more on the total consumer debt.

yeehaa!...and it has widespread support!...people don't care anymore

145 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:05:42pm

re: #120 avanti

Yep, say what you want about the Cylons, but they are strong on national defense.

I was kind of wondering about them the other day. We have face recognition in our cheap digital cameras now. How in the hell did they ever miss a shot when they were targeting humans?

146 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:05:56pm

re: #79 acwgusa

He's the missing 14th Cylon!

You forget...we're ALL Cylons!

147 eon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:06:12pm

re: #134 jaunte

There's nothing like faking some car sales activity to increase the deficit and load a little more on the total consumer debt.

It's called, "If the dead cat doesn't bounce the first time, really spike it the next time you have possession."

cheers

eon

148 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:06:33pm

re: #141 FurryOldGuyJeans

Right now I am finding it hard to believe the consequences like this weren't already thought of.

votes are more important than consequence...I hope you have a fallback plan

149 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:06:41pm

re: #146 Macker

You forget...we're ALL Cylons!

We are?

WHY DIDN'T ANYONE BOTHER TO TELL ME THIS?!?

150 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:06:58pm

re: #145 CyanSnowHawk

I was kind of wondering about them the other day. We have face recognition in our cheap digital cameras now. How in the hell did they ever miss a shot when they were targeting humans?

Those were the Microsoft Cylons.

151 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:07:24pm

Freakin' Nirthers.
Pisses me off.

152 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:07:48pm

It's OK, Orly. You can wipe the mascara from your blotchy red cheeks. Those incriminating tapes from somewhere in Africa are bound to show up one of...these...months.

153 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:07:48pm

re: #143 SixDegrees

It might be time to up the ante and send in a real, live ringer. Anybody here a 65 or older black guy who wants to stand up as a "witness"? A really bad Kenyan accent would be a plus when we get you together with Orly for an interview.

Co-worker is black, and he really dislikes Obama. He has a great sense of humor. He may go for it.

154 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:08:02pm

So, now that the Latin Queen known as "So-So" has ascended to the Supreme Court, can we be done with Fucking firsts?
Or must we still wait for the first Gay Justice, the First Midget Justice, the First Thai Justice, the First Esperanto Justice, the First Innuit Justice, the First Syphilitic Justice, the First Mute Justice, the First Gaian Justice...

Ugh.

155 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:08:04pm

re: #149 FurryOldGuyJeans

We are?

WHY DIDN'T ANYONE BOTHER TO TELL ME THIS?!?

Well, we didn't want to upset you... Have some ambrosia?

156 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:08:27pm

re: #119 CynicalConservative

Final vote on stealing $2B from Stimulus plan for Cash/Clunkers happening now in the Senate.

On a positive note - admittedly, not a strong one - at least they're transferring already-allocated funds from one program to another, instead of just cranking up the printing presses another notch.

157 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:08:39pm

re: #113 acwgusa

The Cylons would know Nationalized Health Care is a bad idea. Oh wait, they did. They nuked Caprica, and left.

And Tauron...and Gemenon...and Virgon...and Scorpia...and Aquaria...and Aerilon...and Picon...and Canceron...and Leonis...and Libran...and Sagittaron. THEN they left.

158 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:08:50pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

It's OK, Orly. You can wipe the mascara from your blotchy red cheeks. Those incriminating tapes from somewhere in Africa are bound to show up one of...these...months.

The ones where she did some truly entertaining things that night she had too much vodka?

159 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:09:20pm

govt intrusion is simply not important anymore...people are weak and confused...they need the feds to sort things out for them and give them direction...they can go to hell, I'm going to New Mexico and hunker down

160 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:09:23pm

Obama Nazi

Notice who published it? Is Lyndon LaRouche making a comeback along with the Birch Society?

161 CynicalConservative  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:09:25pm

re: #156 SixDegrees

On a positive note - admittedly, not a strong one - at least they're transferring already-allocated funds from one program to another, instead of just cranking up the printing presses another notch.

Yes, that I can agree with.

162 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:09:28pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

It's OK, Orly. You can wipe the mascara from your blotchy red cheeks. Those incriminating tapes from somewhere in Africa are bound to show up one of...these...months.

They're in a vault with the Michelle Obama "whitey" tape. The truth is out there!

163 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:09:31pm

Just got an email. If I send $5,000 to Kenya, I can get the real birth certificate. Seems like some Kenyan general was deposed and needs the money to leave the country. He's willing to sell Obama's original birth certificate for a song. Sounds plausible to me. /

164 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:09:32pm

re: #151 SasquatchOnSteroids

Freakin' Nirthers.
Pisses me off.

Get used to it. The Left had to deal with their crazies for 8 years, we have at 3 and a half more years. This is not going away. If the Bush 43 era taught us anything it is that crazy is contagious.

165 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:09:37pm

re: #99 Scion9

Actually Kutcher usually goes after other celebs, and although I haven't seen every episode, I wouldn't speak to the normalcy of their intelligence or mental faculties in general with any confidence.

the dumbest celeb is smarter than Orly Taitz. I would bet on that

166 CynicalConservative  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:09:50pm

re: #161 CynicalConservative

Yes, that I can agree with.

But I don't like the program at all.

167 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:10:21pm

I can't get over the fact that her name is Orly. Were her parents missing consonants and vowels when they named her?

168 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:10:30pm

re: #47 iceweasel

Denial. For some, it's a lifestyle choice.

I can only hope that some day there will be a treatment for this sort of mental condition. Maybe the scientists can come up with something? (play scary music) ;)

169 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:11:02pm

re: #167 acwgusa

I can't get over the fact that her name is Orly. Were her parents missing consonants and vowels when they named her?

Isn't Orly a French name? Like the airport?

170 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:11:05pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Obama Nazi

Notice who published it? Is Lyndon LaRouche making a comeback along with the Birch Society?

hell yeah...they'll be on the Ed Sullivan Show yet this year

171 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:11:13pm

re: #111 FrogMarch

That party of Maryland is pretty Republican. I don't know why anyone would think Kratovil would get a very warm reception there. His Congressional district is only purplish because its gerrymandered. If MD1 wasn't the entire eastern shore of maryland, plus some arbitrary urban counties from across the bay it would be very solidly Republican.

172 Dekar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:11:14pm

Haha, this wont stop them though... crazy nirthers! NIIIRTH

173 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:11:33pm

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

This Kenyan sertifikit nonsense is a blueprint for how easy it is to punk idiots.


kind of like when I get my 14 month old to chase the laser pointer.

doesn't seem fair.

but it's fun

174 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:11:56pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

I don't think he ever left.

For whatever reason, he can still attract some of the college kids.

Was by the University of Delaware not long ago, and on the Main drag, some kids were peddling his stuff by a college bookstore.

175 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:12:17pm

re: #169 Macker

Isn't Orly a French name? Like the airport?

it's a hand lotion I think...Orly of Ole

176 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:13:04pm

re: #167 acwgusa

I can't get over the fact that her name is Orly. Were her parents missing consonants and vowels when they named her?

But De Gaulle isn't any thing close to Orly!

/Ducks

177 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:13:17pm

So according to the Freepers President Obama is still an illegitimate alien love child sekret muslim communist socialist?

sheeesh

178 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:13:22pm

re: #167 acwgusa

I can't get over the fact that her name is Orly. Were her parents missing consonants and vowels when they named her?

Might be short for something. Or there was some confusion on the part of the nurse filling out her Nirth cert.

Non-commital hippy parent: "Let's see, we will call her Sarah, or Lee, or something like that."
Nurse: "Orly, got it."

179 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:13:23pm

Hush little Orly, don't say a word,
Folks are always hard on a stalking turd...

180 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:13:27pm

re: #173 Shug

kind of like when I get my 14 month old to chase the laser pointer.

doesn't seem fair.

but it's fun

LOL. That's mean. Teaching coordination, right?

181 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:13:43pm

Hey, don't fall for this one. There's an official looking document from a California hospital circulating on the web. It stipulates that Barbara boxer has a clue.

182 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:13:53pm

re: #175 albusteve

it's a hand lotion I think...Orly of Ole

re: #169 Macker

Isn't Orly a French name? Like the airport?

Sorry Macker, I meant to quote you, not myself!

183 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:14:17pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Obama Nazi

Notice who published it? Is Lyndon LaRouche making a comeback along with the Birch Society?

I think they've been awful quiet actually. I think the Larouchies really suffered badly from the Ron Paul revolution.

184 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:14:27pm

re: #181 HelloDare

Hey, don't fall for this one. There's an official looking document from a California hospital circulating on the web. It stipulates that Barbara boxer has a clue.

I doubt its a raging clue.

185 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:14:32pm

re: #138 Alouette

Here are some sites:

http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com
http://scamorama.com/
http://www.419eater.com

My favorite of these was a guy that convinced the scammers that he didn't have the time to invest in their scam until he finished his work, which was hand copying harry potter (first book) page by page in hand written form.
The scammers took the job of copying and paid for the scanning of the pages (and email).

beautiful.

186 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:14:42pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Obama Nazi

Notice who published it? Is Lyndon LaRouche making a comeback along with the Birch Society?

It gets worse.

I argued with some Lyndon LaRouche supporters in front of the post office recently. I told them they were making the rest of us look bad. They had a huge Obama poster set up pictured with a Hitler mustache and a swastika.

Idiots.

187 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:14:46pm

re: #170 albusteve

Just checked his site. It's all current stuff about healthcare and Obama. I thought LaRouche disappeared long ago.

188 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:14:48pm

re: #168 Jimmah

I can only hope that some day there will be a treatment for this sort of mental condition. Maybe the scientists can come up with something? (play scary music) ;)

Hey Jimmah-cakes. How are you? ;)

Indeed. What would the treatment be? Quarantine, maybe!

189 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:15:05pm

60 yea
37 nay

190 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:15:25pm

re: #178 CyanSnowHawk

Might be short for something. Or there was some confusion on the part of the nurse filling out her Nirth cert.

Non-commital hippy parent: "Let's see, we will call her Sarah, or Lee, or something like that."
Nurse: "Orly, got it."

Parents, RULE ONE: Never name your kid something strange! Life will kick them in the ass!

191 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:15:34pm

In other news, Orly Taitz is said to be planning an eponymous line of cosmetics and clothing.

The clothes will be tight, and the makeup oily.

192 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:16:02pm

re: #186 Racer X

I argued with some Lyndon LaRouche supporters in front of the post office recently. I told them they were making the rest of us look bad. They had a huge Obama poster set up pictured with a Hitler mustache and a swastika.


Hmmm...I guess we shouldn't be too surprised if they make a comeback.

193 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:16:24pm

Will the nirthers be on the White House enemies list or it's closest friends...

/grin

194 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:16:26pm

re: #171 Scion9

See my post above - there is a lot that went in to Kratovil winning, the least of which is Gilchrest's shenanigans.

195 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:16:32pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

Just checked his site. It's all current stuff about healthcare and Obama. I thought LaRouche disappeared long ago.

No; LaRouche is a lot like herpes. You think it's gone away, and then...

196 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:16:44pm

re: #180 SasquatchOnSteroids

LOL. That's mean. Teaching coordination, right?

yes it takes coordination to not shoot into the back of his head.

I'm getting better

197 eon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:17:02pm

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

60 yea
37 nay

Would that be 51 Dems plus 9 Dums, or some other combination of idiocy?

Stupid is stupid; tripling the "investment" doesn't make it smart.

cheers

eon

198 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:17:05pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

Just checked his site. It's all current stuff about healthcare and Obama. I thought LaRouche disappeared long ago.

I don't mean to sound so pissy...I'm getting fed up tho...LaRouche is legit, he is waiting like the rest of them

199 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:17:15pm

re: #186 Racer X

It gets worse.

I argued with some Lyndon LaRouche supporters in front of the post office recently. I told them they were making the rest of us look bad. They had a huge Obama poster set up pictured with a Hitler mustache and a swastika.

Idiots.

The rest of who?

200 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:17:44pm

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

Plenty of people have said that they expect her to be a moderate Justice. How much they know about her will be evident in a few months.
I tend to think they don't know much.

201 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:10pm

re: #198 albusteve

I don't mean to sound so pissy...I'm getting fed up tho...LaRouche is legit batshit, he is waiting like the rest of them

FTFY

202 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:21pm

re: #141 FurryOldGuyJeans

Do you think those guys think deeply about anything?

I don't.

203 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:24pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

I actually saw a LaRouche table some where - in front of a store, but I cannot remember where for the life of me. This was pretty recently - and I do believe in MD of all places, rather than VA.

204 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:24pm

re: #165 Shug

the dumbest celeb is smarter than Orly Taitz. I would bet on that

I'd take that bet, but we don't have much of a way of settling it.

205 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:28pm

re: #197 eon

Would that be 51 Dems plus 9 Dums, or some other combination of idiocy?

Stupid is stupid; tripling the "investment" doesn't make it smart.

cheers

eon

Didn't see the run down. But I am selling a used truck and the price just jumped $200.

206 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:34pm

That was meant to be strikethrough.

207 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:35pm

just walked downstairs and O'Reilly is on.
Came back upstairs when I was Judge Butch Patrick was on ( Napolitano )

I assume they are talking about Obama stealing illegal information from people. Still don't know what the Hell this is all about.

anybody have the straight scoop?

I realize he isn't Bush doing something like intercepting phone calls to Al qaeda camps so it isn't important, but anybody?

208 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:58pm

re: #200 Lincolntf

Plenty of people have said that they expect her to be a moderate Justice. How much they know about her will be evident in a few months.
I tend to think they don't know much.

immigration issues will toll her bell...we will regret her confirmation...bet me

209 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:19:31pm

re: #192 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...I guess we shouldn't be too surprised if they make a comeback.

Manning the booth was a fairly good looking young girl - clueless about the real world. Her wimpy pimply boyfriend seemed equally clueless. Both about 25 years old. Sucked in by the hate.

210 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:19:43pm

re: #206 Cato the Elder

That was meant to be strikethrough.

heh...I got it

211 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:19:45pm

re: #186 Racer X

It gets worse.

I argued with some Lyndon LaRouche supporters in front of the post office recently. I told them they were making the rest of us look bad. They had a huge Obama poster set up pictured with a Hitler mustache and a swastika.

Idiots.

What fools those crazies be!

I'm avoiding the current current segment of The O'Reilly Factor since he has Andrew Napolitano on. Anyone who praises Alex Jones is not someone I want to see.

212 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:19:50pm

re: #207 Shug
No, The Obama admininstration is asking citizens to turn in people to the white house who say something fishy about healthcare

in other words an enemies list

213 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:20:05pm

re: #204 Scion9

I'd take that bet, but we don't have much of a way of settling it.

I guess Orly Taitz and Sean Penn are at zero degrees Kelvin IQ so it's a draw

214 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:20:24pm

re: #198 albusteve

I don't mean to sound so pissy...I'm getting fed up tho...LaRouche is legit batshit, he is waiting like the rest of them

That's better.

215 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:20:26pm

Btw: You might still have time to tivo this on the west coast if you have the History channel, very informative.
Nazi America: A Secret History

It traces the movement from post war to near present. It leaves out the recent transition to tea-cup racialism and the ties to the neoconfederacy.

216 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:20:47pm

re: #199 Cato the Elder

The rest of who?

The rest of us who dislike Obama and his policies. The ones who are NOT insane.

217 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:21:12pm

re: #207 Shug

just walked downstairs and O'Reilly is on.
Came back upstairs when I was Judge Butch Patrick was on ( Napolitano )

I assume they are talking about Obama stealing illegal information from people. Still don't know what the Hell this is all about.

anybody have the straight scoop?

I realize he isn't Bush doing something like intercepting phone calls to Al qaeda camps so it isn't important, but anybody?

Bernis Goldberg and Oreilly just agreed that if Bush had asked this, liberals would scream fascism.

218 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:21:19pm

re: #212 quiet man

No, The Obama admininstration is asking citizens to turn in people to the white house who say something fishy about healthcare

in other words an enemies list


So just more Chicago politics without the knee cappings.

OK

219 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:21:52pm

re: #188 iceweasel

Hey Jimmah-cakes. How are you? ;)

Indeed. What would the treatment be? Quarantine, maybe!

I'm great thanks! And you?

Quarantine, definitely. And some kind of nano device that gets into the brain and removes viral memes - the type that are able to survive and reproduce in the absence of all supporting facts ;-) (kinda)

220 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:21:56pm

re: #207 Shug

just walked downstairs and O'Reilly is on.
Came back upstairs when I was Judge Butch Patrick was on ( Napolitano )

I assume they are talking about Obama stealing illegal information from people. Still don't know what the Hell this is all about.

anybody have the straight scoop?

I realize he isn't Bush doing something like intercepting phone calls to Al qaeda camps so it isn't important, but anybody?

Like I said on My #211, I don't watch when Napolitano is on. The man thinks Alex Jones is respectable, for sobbing out loud.

221 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:21:58pm

re: #218 Shug

Silly Rabbit, Kneecaps are for kids!

222 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:22:23pm

re: #217 quiet man

Bernis Goldberg and Oreilly just agreed that if Bush had asked this, liberals would scream fascism.


well of course, GWB was Hitler and Obama is Jesus Christ with a better 3 point set shot

223 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:22:27pm

re: #203 ArmyWife

I actually saw a LaRouche table some where - in front of a store, but I cannot remember where for the life of me. This was pretty recently - and I do believe in MD of all places, rather than VA.

There is always one in Manhattan, its between the ACLU table & the Workers Party table... it's a hoot when they argue.

224 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:22:28pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

What fools those crazies be!

I'm avoiding the current current segment of The O'Reilly Factor since he has Andrew Napolitano on. Anyone who praises Alex Jones is not someone I want to see.

FOX is MSM...poison...when you watch them you help sustain their dollar fix...
I hate the MSM with every bone in my stupid body

225 mrkwong  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:22:59pm

I'm sorry, but Orly Taitz sounds like a drunken Cockney reference to a female participant in a well-lubricated wrestling match.

226 Shug  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:23:01pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Like I said on My #211, I don't watch when Napolitano is on. The man thinks Alex Jones is respectable, for sobbing out loud.


I don't. that's why I split upstairs.

227 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:23:31pm

re: #218 Shug

So just more Chicago politics without the knee cappings.

OK

I dunno. If ACORN is given that list there might well be kneecappings. I wouldn't put it past the left to try something like that.

228 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:23:56pm

re: #224 albusteve
Right there with you..I blame the media for so many things

229 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:24:38pm

re: #212 quiet man

If true, worse than an enemies list, it would be deliberately sowing fear and the retting out of each other; the start of that anyway.

If true this is SO destructive of what this country is, or ought to be; a place where all work together for the common good.

Emma Lazarus, composer of the words that follow, must be restless in her grave.

***

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

230 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:24:50pm

re: #227 Dark_Falcon
Imagine a million man limp as the basis of a tea party

231 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:25:04pm

re: #222 Shug

well of course, GWB was Hitler and Obama is Jesus Christ with a better 3 point set shot

Can't golf worth a damn, though.

232 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:25:21pm

You realize what this all means, right?

With all their combined brainpower, the nirfers don't even have the wit to do their own forgeries.

233 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:25:25pm

retting = ratting

but both...

PIMF

234 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:25:35pm

re: #208 albusteve

immigration issues will toll her bell...we will regret her confirmation...bet me

maybe not, immigrants compete with those from PR for jobs... we shall see.

235 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:26:07pm

re: #186 Racer X

It gets worse.

I argued with some Lyndon LaRouche supporters in front of the post office recently. I told them they were making the rest of us look bad. They had a huge Obama poster set up pictured with a Hitler mustache and a swastika.

Idiots.

And I'll bet they still think the Queen of England is a drug dealer.

236 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:26:29pm

re: #212 quiet man

No, The Obama admininstration is asking citizens to turn in people to the white house who say something fishy about healthcare

in other words an enemies list

I don't think it's that sinister, they are asking for any info about untruths about the health care bill so they can stay on top of the latest spins. If anyone ever shows they are making a "enemies list" like Nixon did, you'd have a scandal of epic proportions.
The Dems are paranoid about being swiftboated again.

237 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:26:58pm

re: #212 quiet man

No, The Obama admininstration is asking citizens to turn in people to the white house who say something fishy about healthcare

in other words an enemies list

Link, please?

To the White House request, not to some wingnut telling me about it.

238 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:27:04pm

In unrelated news, I'm finally on vacation until Tuesday after next.
The desk will be a disgrace by the time I get back, but Frug it.

*gulpgulpgulpgulp

239 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:27:15pm

re: #229 Ojoe

If true, worse than an enemies list, it would be deliberately sowing fear and the retting out of each other; the start of that anyway.

If true this is SO destructive of what this country is, or ought to be; a place where all work together for the common good.

Emma Lazarus, composer of the words that follow, must be restless in her grave.

***

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Obama likes those words, but in his mind their fulfillment is linked to his success in reshaping America and if that requires some demonization and split skulls, so be it. To his kind of leftist, the end justifies the means.

240 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:27:49pm

re: #236 avanti

Have some kool-aid, you're a bit low.

241 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:27:54pm

I didn't think I could ever say this, but I respect Jamaican politics, with all it's zealous ferver more than ours here in America...Jamaicans will walk for miles to a rally to hear what's said and if you lie to them or piss them off they will take it out on your hide...pols that fuck with Jamaicans pay the price for their elitism...they are a sorry country that makes alot of mistakes but they truly care...they want to know how it works, what's in it for them, and why they should trust you...Americans just roll over and take too much at face value

242 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:27:58pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

Link, please?

To the White House request, not to some wingnut telling me about it.

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

243 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:28:10pm

re: #191 Cato the Elder

In other news, Orly Taitz is said to be planning an eponymous line of cosmetics and clothing.

The clothes will be tight, and the makeup oily.

Or maybe vice versa.

244 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:28:16pm

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

a texas senator,,I will find the priginal link tho...since by now some leftest has probably tried to clean it off the net for good

245 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:28:34pm

re: #244 quiet man

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

a texas senator,,I will find the priginal link tho...since by now some leftest has probably tried to clean it off the net for good

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

246 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:28:39pm

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

Thanks

247 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:28:53pm

re: #236 avanti

I don't think it's that sinister, they are asking for any info about untruths about the health care bill so they can stay on top of the latest spins...>


/the East Germans were really good at that...

248 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:29:26pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

O does not really get it
he has not read enough history
I have never gotten "good vibes" off him

I, old hippie that I am
should know

249 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:29:37pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Obama Nazi

Notice who published it? Is Lyndon LaRouche making a comeback along with the Birch Society?

I didn't even know he was still alive.

His organization was quite infatuated with Hillary.

250 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:29:45pm

re: #236 avanti

I don't think it's that sinister, they are asking for any info about untruths about the health care bill so they can stay on top of the latest spins. If anyone ever shows they are making a "enemies list" like Nixon did, you'd have a scandal of epic proportions.
The Dems are paranoid about being swiftboated again.

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

Harmless.

251 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:30:02pm

re: #247 brookly red

It was also a Stalinist favorite tactic.

252 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:30:37pm

re: #250 Walter L. Newton
That and a dime will get you a cup of Eschelon

253 aRedPhishHead  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:31:35pm

The Birthers suffer from Mulder Syndrome. It preys on the gullible and unscrupulous.

Somebody should photoshop the phrase onto the fake BC picture and post it (Charles and Co...ahem)

:-)

254 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:31:35pm

You send in a name and what you think is fishy and they will tell you the lie du minute that is the bill right then

255 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:32:25pm

re: #251 FurryOldGuyJeans

It was also a Stalinist favorite tactic.

Da, Da, hope & change...

256 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:32:30pm

It's my understanding that the White House includes in their list of 'fishy' ideas the idea that private health insurance plans will be unable to compete as businesses with a public plan using the resources of the federal government.
It seems to be a reasonable doubt; am I missing the fishy part?

257 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:32:38pm

re: #250 Walter L. Newton

Actually some of it's not rumor; here's the end of life care section of the bill, if anyone can tell me what this really means without going into hysteria, I'm interested.

258 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:32:44pm

re: #250 Walter L. Newton

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

Harmless.

go Walter...I'm burned out amigo...I need a rest from this stupid smiley faced lunacy

259 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:32:48pm

re: #253 aRedPhishHead

An equal party syndrome then...tho in numbers, the left has to look like cell phone commercial

260 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:33:20pm

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Um, yeah. They're talking about the "read this now or lose your health care and freedom forever and burn in hell with the Popes and the Jews" type of disinfo campaigns that went around like the fake "grass roots" citizens' groups concocted by the coal industry.

But obviously there's a cavernous underground FEMA camp waiting for you and me if we exchange personal emails denigrating Obamacare.

Meesa so scared!

261 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:33:21pm

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Has this been a thread on LGF yet?

262 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:33:25pm

-- U.S. Senate passes a $2 billion "Cash for Clunkers" extension; the White House says President Obama will sign it soon.

263 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:33:41pm

re: #257 Thanos

speaking slowly

It means the old folks are screwed.

264 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:33:59pm

The LaRouche crowd is making some kind of a comeback here in LA, at least. I see the creeps all the time outside markets hawking their crappy hate pamphlets.

265 John Neverbend  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:34:07pm

re: #225 mrkwong

I'm sorry, but Orly Taitz sounds like a drunken Cockney reference to a female participant in a well-lubricated wrestling match.

Orly also means "my light" in Hebrew.

266 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:34:13pm

The Nirthers need to drop this birth certificate crap and focus on a REAL conspiracy.

Get to it Nirthers, this nation depends on you for it's salvation.
/

267 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:34:20pm

re: #258 albusteve

Why, that's not harmless at all.

My hackles are up.

268 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:34:23pm

re: #236 avanti

I don't think it's that sinister, they are asking for any info about untruths about the health care bill so they can stay on top of the latest spins. If anyone ever shows they are making a "enemies list" like Nixon did, you'd have a scandal of epic proportions.
The Dems are paranoid about being swiftboated again.

It's not sinister at all.

269 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:34:34pm

re: #237 Cato the Elder

Link, please?

To the White House request, not to some wingnut telling me about it.

If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

270 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:34:56pm

re: #236 avanti

I don't think it's that sinister, they are asking for any info about untruths about the health care bill so they can stay on top of the latest spins. If anyone ever shows they are making a "enemies list" like Nixon did, you'd have a scandal of epic proportions.
The Dems are paranoid about being swiftboated again.

They are asking their myrmidons to snitch out people who oppose Obama's health care vision. Now considering the bill hasn't even come up for a vote in the Senate, hasn't been reconciled in the House and is no where near the stage where Obama would be asked to vote on it, there are valid reasons to ask why Obama is using the Whitehouse.gov website to solicit names and web addresses of people who are against something that hasn't even been decided yet. How is Obama going to counter the "spin" with his own when he isn't even writing the freaking legislation??

271 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:35:18pm

re: #263 quiet man

How? Do you know the meaning of what's there? What does it demand, are there options? Is it clumsy language that usually comes from congress from inept legislators and their staffers?

272 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:35:42pm

re: #253 aRedPhishHead

The Birthers suffer from Mulder Syndrome. It preys on the gullible and unscrupulous.

Somebody should photoshop the phrase onto the fake BC picture and post it (Charles and Co...ahem)

:-)

Fox Mulder may be crazy but Karen Mulder is still pretty hot.

Warning: NSFW

273 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:36:02pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

Midnight at the oasis??

274 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:36:19pm

re: #268 Sharmuta

It's not sinister at all.

Of course it's not, and citizens, the Ministry of Truth would like to thank you for...

275 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:36:49pm

re: #264 Charles

The LaRouche crowd is making some kind of a comeback here in LA, at least. I see the creeps all the time outside markets hawking their crappy hate pamphlets.

Me too. I make a point of taking up their time and telling them how stupid they are (in a polite way). When I ask them about the 9/11 troofer pamphlets on their table they shut right up.

276 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:36:56pm

re: #267 Ojoe

Why, that's not harmless at all.

My hackles are up.

my account is in a constant state of risk...my hackles are up too, but I need to cool my jets

277 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:37:02pm

FEMA camps! FEMA camps!re: #239 Dark_Falcon

Obama Glenn Beck likes those words, but in his mind their fulfillment is linked to his success in reshaping America and if that requires some demonization and split skulls, so be it. To his kind of leftist rightwad, the end justifies the means.

mutatis mutandis

278 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:37:29pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

Of course it's not, and citizens, the Ministry of Truth would like to thank you for...

Crap- I see a band of goon squads coming for me now!

279 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:37:43pm

re: #276 albusteve

my account is in a constant state of risk...my hackles are up too, but I need to cool my jets

Your hackles account? ;^)

280 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:38:22pm

Haeckels account was yesterday.

281 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:38:30pm

Good Evening Lizards. Just lurking and thought I would say hi. Have a few jokes to tell, when and if anyone wants to laugh or throw eggs. :)

282 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:38:33pm

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

I am not comforted by the thought of this at all. Instead of requesting people forward "fishy" emails, how about they publish the bill with FAQs?

283 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:38:38pm

re: #271 Thanos
The subject being part of a government bill is actually enough for me. End of life meetings, analysis of how much risk in saviung someone is accptible..again solely at the whim of people like the obama administration

really, just how much freedom is the left wishing to steal from the public??

284 Maui Girl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:38:38pm

Have you guys seen the letter that Senator Cornyn has written to President Obama? Subject matter has to do with the administration asking Americans to report via an email address, flag@whitehouse.com any "fishy" talk regarding the Obama healthcare proposals, for the purpose of "dispelling any disinformation" out there. Hmmm. Sounds alot like Obama's campaign tactics.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

285 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:38:45pm

re: #276 albusteve

You can say

"How very sad."™

which means "If I said what I really want to say, I'd be out of here."

286 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:39:20pm

re: #281 Erik The Red

Good Evening Lizards. Just lurking and thought I would say hi. Have a few jokes to tell, when and if anyone wants to laugh or throw eggs. :)

I could use a good laugh.

287 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:39:35pm

re: #270 Wendya

yes, that and more...by far the scariest thing this guy has proposed and I'm not even surprised...I'm a revolting extremists peasant...this stuff can fly over peoples heads lightening fast

288 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:39:44pm

re: #264 Charles

The LaRouche crowd is making some kind of a comeback here in LA, at least. I see the creeps all the time outside markets hawking their crappy hate pamphlets.

I looked at the leaflets they have on their site, Almost all Obama/Hitler stuff. Could be a big hit with today's conservatives.

289 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:39:51pm

re: #264 Charles

The LaRouche crowd is making some kind of a comeback here in LA, at least. I see the creeps all the time outside markets hawking their crappy hate pamphlets.

Haven't seen that. The guy is 86. His defense attorney in the mail fraud case was Ramsey Clark.

290 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:40:09pm

re: #276 albusteve
Tell yourself..its just manufactured...its just manufactured...

291 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:40:36pm

re: #273 quiet man

Midnight at the oasis??

Nope, just boobs is broad daylight.

(I know that post was out of character, but I couldn't help it. I'm a guy.)

292 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:40:49pm

re: #270 Wendya

They are asking their myrmidons to snitch out people who oppose Obama's health care vision.

If that what they were asking, I'd agree with you. They only care about those opposing the bill that are misrepresenting what is in it. The euthanasia BS to scare the seniors for example.

293 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:41:05pm

re: #282 ArmyWife

I am not comforted by the thought of this at all. Instead of requesting people forward "fishy" emails, how about they publish the bill with FAQs?

This is the tip of an iceberg. Troubled waters ahead. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

294 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:41:06pm

re: #279 Cato the Elder

Your hackles account? ;^)

I'm working on civility...I want to be part of the in crowd where civility is the answer

295 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:41:06pm

FEMA camps! FEMA camps!

296 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:41:38pm

re: #282 ArmyWife

If Obama weren't Obama, the idea of scanning private e-mails for ungood thoughts would be the province of Sci-Fi.
Since he's the Messiah, it's just a cute little footnote.

297 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:41:54pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

Nope, just boobs in broad daylight.

(I know that post was out of character, but I couldn't help it. I'm a guy.)

PIMF

298 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:42:00pm

re: #292 avanti

If that what they were asking, I'd agree with you. They only care about those opposing the bill that are misrepresenting what is in it. The euthanasia BS to scare the seniors for example.

/so have you ratted anyone out yet?

299 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:42:03pm

re: #282 ArmyWife

I am not comforted by the thought of this at all. Instead of requesting people forward "fishy" emails, how about they publish the bill with FAQs?

The three house versions that have yet to be merged or the senate version languishing in the finance committee?

300 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:42:04pm

re: #284 Maui Girl
Yes, Obama's enemy list

and you are right..it is Obama's heavy hand at work here//but with our government backing it up.

This fake Nirth cert is on it's way to Wharehouse 13 as we speak

301 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:42:23pm

Halp meh! T'ere takin' meh away!

302 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:42:26pm

re: #283 quiet man

It's not clear if it's mandatory, and who it covers from the language is the problem. I think it was meant to cover making sure physicians give patients all options available and counsel them about living wills etc but the language is too f'ed up to really tell. Whoever the bonehead was who put this in might have killed the health care bill however.

303 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:42:32pm

re: #277 Cato the Elder

FEMA camps! FEMA camps!

mutatis mutandis

Works for me. I'm no fan of Glen Beck.

304 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:42:54pm

re: #281 Erik The Red

Good Evening Lizards. Just lurking and thought I would say hi. Have a few jokes to tell, when and if anyone wants to laugh or throw eggs. :)

ERIK!
Enjoying having the family with you, I take it?

305 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:43:12pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

re: #273 quiet man


Nope, just boobs is broad daylight.
I was thinking Maria Muldaur

(I know that post was out of character, but I couldn't help it. I'm a guy.)

306 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:43:14pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

I looked at the leaflets they have on their site, Almost all Obama/Hitler stuff. Could be a big hit with today's conservatives.

Thanks for lumping us all together...again.

307 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:43:20pm

re: #299 Wendya

Pick one! List the "facts" being misrepresented rather than solicit them for whatever reason (quickly developed counter points perhaps?)

308 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:43:22pm

Musical accompaniment for the thread:

Youtube Video
309 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:43:25pm

re: #292 avanti

If that what they were asking, I'd agree with you. They only care about those opposing the bill that are misrepresenting what is in it. The euthanasia BS to scare the seniors for example.

Exactly. The rumours and email scares are out of control. It's a way to keep track of, and rebut, the lie du jour. Not a way to track people or crush dissent or reasonable, informed criticism.

310 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:43:42pm

re: #282 ArmyWife

I am not comforted by the thought of this at all. Instead of requesting people forward "fishy" emails, how about they publish the bill with FAQs?

What are you thinking?
That would . . . make sense, or something.

311 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:43:45pm

Trivia question: Who do Lydon LaRouche and Saddam Hussein have in common?

Answer: Ramsey Clark. He was their attorney.

312 John Neverbend  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:44:03pm

Pow! 3 run homer from Melky!

313 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:44:28pm

re: #292 avanti

If that what they were asking, I'd agree with you. They only care about those opposing the bill that are misrepresenting what is in it. The euthanasia BS to scare the seniors for example.

Right, misrepresenting, and it will be the White House's job to decide who is misrepresenting.

We have people here all day long debating a subject, with opposing points of view. So, all opposing points of view on health care is misrepresentation?

If that's the way you care to spin it?

314 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:44:41pm

re: #286 SasquatchOnSteroids

I could use a good laugh.


Government vs Private Health Care
A wealthy hospital benefactor was being shown around the hospital.

During her tour she passed a room where a male patient was masturbating
furiously.

"Oh my word!" screamed the woman. "That's disgraceful! Why is he doing
that?"

The doctor who was leading the tour calmly explained, "I'm very sorry
that you were exposed to that, but this man has a serious condition where
his testicles rapidly fill with semen, and if he doesn't do that at least
five times a day, he'll be in extreme pain and his testicles could easily
rupture."

Oh, well in that case, I guess its okay," said the woman.

As they passed by the very next room, they saw a male patient laying in
bed while a nurse performed oral sex on him. Again, the woman screamed,
"Oh my word! How can THAT be justified?

Again the doctor spoke very calmly: "Same illness, better medical aid." !!!

315 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:14pm

re: #311 HelloDare

Trivia question: Who do Lydon LaRouche and Saddam Hussein have in common?

Answer: Ramsey Clark. He was their attorney.

There's also the Carter connection: both Ramsey and Lyndon are friends of Jimmy.

316 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:19pm

Albusteve, you were joking about LaRouche being legit, right? I'm under a great deal of strain right now trying to recall anything I might have said that could offend Obama or the FEMA agents, so I just want to make sure...

317 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:30pm

re: #301 Sharmuta

Halp meh! T'ere takin' meh away!

Ha ha!

318 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:38pm

re: #301 Sharmuta

Halp meh! T'ere takin' meh away!

Don't cry wolf.

319 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:45pm

re: #304 reine.de.tout

ERIK!
Enjoying having the family with you, I take it?

I am thank you. I am spending some great quality and quantity time with them. :)

320 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:53pm

re: #284 Maui Girl

Have you guys seen the letter that Senator Cornyn has written to President Obama? Subject matter has to do with the administration asking Americans to report via an email address, flag@whitehouse.com any "fishy" talk regarding the Obama healthcare proposals, for the purpose of "dispelling any disinformation" out there. Hmmm. Sounds alot like Obama's campaign tactics.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Here's the part that bugs me. It's the WH's use of "disinformation." That implies a deliberate attempt to spread falsehoods for political gain. If they were merely seeking to correct "misinformation," I wouldn't be so suspicious. I think the use of the word disinformation reveals a lot about their own modus operandi, which they project onto their opponents.

321 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:46:13pm

re: #309 iceweasel

Exactly. The rumours and email scares are out of control. It's a way to keep track of, and rebut, the lie du jour. Not a way to track people or crush dissent or reasonable, informed criticism.

And you know this for fact?

322 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:46:24pm

re: #318 Walter L. Newton

That's funny.

323 Maui Girl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:46:26pm

Boy, I sure came in late on the "fishy" thing. Damn. Okay, how about this?

I heard that the car dealers are going to be taxed on all the "cash for clunkers" deals that they make. Gee, that's sound awfully fair.

324 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:46:40pm

re: #282 ArmyWife

There is no bill yet. Multiple different versions are floating through both the House and Senate, some with placeholders, addendum hundreds of pages long to be added the morning of the vote potentially, and the White House isn't writing the bill in the first place. They can only tell their legislative agenda. They can't counter the oppositions propaganda with facts, because they don't have them because they aren't Congress.

The entire 'report fishy behavior' project is to set up the White House as a place to get their "news" from. After healthcare is their next project going to be TV Licenses and an American implementation of the BBC?

325 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:46:57pm

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

And you know this for fact?

Do you know there using this for sinister reasons for a fact?

326 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:04pm

Health care is a limited resource, currently allocated by price.

Under the new legislation it wont become any less limited, but the allocation mechanism will change. The change may affect the overall availability of health care, but that is a feature, not a bug, for some people.

Part of an essay by Thomas Sowell may help to explain the motivation:

Liberals have never ceased denouncing Ronald Reagan's "tax cuts for the rich" in the early 1980's, despite the actual results, including a record-breaking period of economic expansion.

After the tax rate was cut on the highest income brackets (and on other), not only did the total tax receipts rise but the percentage of those receipts paid by "the rich" also rose. Why then were the liberals unhappy? Because those in the upper brackets paid these vastly greater taxes out of rising incomes, while retaining a higher percentage of those incomes for themselves.

The dog-in-the-manger principle requires that the rich be made worse off. Any policy that fails to do that has failed politically, regardless of what economic benefits it may bring to the society as a whole.

From "Dog-in-the-manger Politics", Thomas Sowell

327 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:10pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

I looked at the leaflets they have on their site, Almost all Obama/Hitler stuff. Could be a big hit with today's conservatives.

There are several of "today's conservatives" right here with whom that stuff would most definitely NOT be a big hit.

328 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:13pm

re: #295 Cato the Elder

FEMA camps! FEMA camps!

I wanna go to camp!

Can we swim and hike and ride bikes?

329 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:17pm

re: #292 avanti

If that what they were asking, I'd agree with you. They only care about those opposing the bill that are misrepresenting what is in it. The euthanasia BS to scare the seniors for example.

There IS no bill. There are three different versions that have passed out of committee in the house that have yet to be merged and it hasn't even come out of the Senate finance committee. We have an idea what might be in the bill but no one, not even The One, knows what will be in the final bill once it is finally hashed out between the house and senate. The entire bill is nothing but rumors until the house and senate hash it out between themselves... at which point the voting is over and Obama is the final decider.

330 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:24pm

re: #315 Thanos

There's also the Carter connection: both Ramsey and Lyndon are friends of Jimmy.

Ramsey is a given, but Carter? Prove it.

I don't think LaRouche is Muslim enough for Jimmah.

331 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:32pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

Do you know there using this for sinister reasons for a fact?

I never said they are. Never even suggest. I just said I didn't like it.

332 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:43pm

good evening lizards!
How is everyone tonight?

333 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:50pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

Right, misrepresenting, and it will be the White House's job to decide who is misrepresenting.

We have people here all day long debating a subject, with opposing points of view. So, all opposing points of view on health care is misrepresentation?

If that's the way you care to spin it?

they want dialog and when they are faced with dissent backed up with history and facts, they cry foul...it's very old

334 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:57pm

re: #328 Racer X

I wanna go to camp!

Can we swim and hike and ride bikes?

And pet German Shepherds.

335 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:58pm

re: #320 doppelganglander

The Obama infomercial was all about seeking to correct "misinformation?

here they want to have a list..and we already know Hillary wasnt above using a government powered backhand when she wanted it.

Obama has even less restraint than Hillary on this subject

336 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:48:24pm

re: #332 HoosierHoops

good evening lizards!
How is everyone tonight?

Are you questioning our health? Off to Room FLAG with you!

337 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:48:29pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

Do you know there using this for sinister reasons for a fact?

isn't their idea of health care sinister enough?

338 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:48:30pm

re: #331 Walter L. Newton

I never said they are. Never even suggest. I just said I didn't like it.

Right- that's why I shouldn't cry wolf.

339 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:48:34pm

re: #309 iceweasel

I am curious on your (well, to be civil) on your thoughts as to the videos of Obama, (as well as other politicians who make no bones of what they see as the future of health care in this country)?

Single payer situation.

340 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:48:46pm

re: #325 Sharmuta

Do you know there using this for sinister reasons for a fact?

don't trust the feds...there is no more to it

341 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:49:00pm

re: #332 HoosierHoops

good evening lizards!
How is everyone tonight?

Hey 2H. Any fish or beer left?

342 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:49:23pm

re: #338 Sharmuta

Right- that's why I shouldn't cry wolf.

You're trying to connect two disjoined thoughts. It's getting scary.

343 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:49:32pm

re: #326 jaunte

It is a flat out lie that healthcare "wont become any less limited"

344 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:49:43pm

re: #321 Walter L. Newton

And you know this for fact?

I do know for a fact that endless emails repeating lies and distortions are circulating. The WH, quite properly, wants to refute the fearmongering.

345 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:50:02pm

re: #332 HoosierHoops

Hi! Another evening of team building and camaraderie starting up! Glad to see you!

346 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:50:05pm

re: #332 HoosierHoops

good evening lizards!
How is everyone tonight?

Doin great Hoops! How are you?

The Laker Girls have set their roster!

347 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:50:37pm

re: #336 Walter L. Newton

Are you questioning our health? Off to Room FLAG with you!

LOL
How is it at the Wolf's Lair tonight?

348 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:50:39pm

re: #343 quiet man

Sorry my writing was unclear; "health care will always remain limited."

349 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:50:51pm

re: #344 iceweasel

Then do it. Send out the facts. You don't need emails being forwarded for this purposes. State the facts, they will speak for themselves.

course, having the facts might be a good place to start...

350 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:19pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

You're trying to connect two disjoined thoughts. It's getting scary.

You're the one quoting 1984, not me.

351 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:22pm

re: #344 iceweasel
Yeah They want to refute the fearmongering..with the IRS and the secret service

it is an enemies list pure and simple

352 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:39pm

re: #344 iceweasel

I do know for a fact that endless emails repeating lies and distortions are circulating. The WH, quite properly, wants to refute the fearmongering.

That's not what I asked... you said "Not a way to track people or crush dissent or reasonable, informed criticism."

Do you know that for a fact? Is there some way you could prove to me that none of the emails they collect will be used to keep any sort of "list?"

353 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:44pm

re: #339 formercorpsman

I am curious on your (well, to be civil) on your thoughts as to the videos of Obama, (as well as other politicians who make no bones of what they see as the future of health care in this country)?

Single payer situation.

Single payer would be ideal, but that's not what any of the proposals are.

354 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:49pm

re: #343 quiet man

It is a flat out lie that healthcare "wont become any less limited"

So it will become less limited?

Careful with those triple negatives, Eugene...

355 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:51pm

re: #327 reine.de.tout

There are several of "today's conservatives" right here with whom that stuff would most definitely NOT be a big hit.

Agreed but conspiracy theories and anti-government paranoia are very fashionable these days. I'm not saying LaRouche will make a comeback I'm just saying the current atmosphere makes it a possibility.

356 doppelganglander  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:57pm

re: #335 quiet man

The Obama infomercial was all about seeking to correct "misinformation?

here they want to have a list..and we already know Hillary wasnt above using a government powered backhand when she wanted it.

Obama has even less restraint than Hillary on this subject

No, I said IF it was about seeking to correct misinformation. I don't believe it is. Of course they're collecting email addresses, but I don't have a theory about what they're going to do with them.

357 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:00pm

re: #344 iceweasel

I do know for a fact that endless emails repeating lies and distortions are circulating. The WH, quite properly, wants to refute the fearmongering.

they can refute it at their townhall meetings...they made their own mess and blaming on others is another example of how liberals cannot walk the walk

358 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:07pm

re: #353 iceweasel

ideal for who?

359 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:11pm

re: #348 jaunte
The single payer system insures less choice, no matter what they say

360 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:13pm

re: #353 iceweasel

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

361 freetoken  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:21pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Corsi is the ultimate opportunist.

362 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:37pm

BULLFROGS & BL@W JOBS

A woman went into a store to buy her husband
a pet for his birthday.

After looking around, she found that
all the pets were very expensive.

She told the clerk she wanted to buy a pet,
but she didn't want to spend a fortune.

'Well,' said the clerk, 'I have a very large bullfrog.
They say it's been trained to give bl@wjobs!'

'Bl@w jobs!' the woman replied.

'It hasn't been proven but we've sold 30 of them this month,' he said

The woman thought it would be a great gag gift,
and what if it's true...no more bl@w jobs for her!

She bought the frog.

When she explained froggy's ability to her husband, he was extremely skeptical and laughed it off! .

The woman went to bed happy, thinking she may never need to perform this less than riveting act again.

In the middle of the night, she was awakened
by the noise of pots and pans flying everywhere, making
hilarious banging and crashing sounds. She ran downstairs to the
kitchen, only to find her husband and the frog reading cookbooks.

'What are you two doing at this hour?' she asked.

The husband replied, 'If I can teach this frog to cook...you're gone.'

363 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:40pm

re: #359 quiet man

I agree.

364 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:55pm

re: #347 HoosierHoops

LOL
How is it at the Wolf's Lair tonight?

Well, the Direct TV man finished the installation of my glorious 200 channels today. What a joy. In Kackistan, we don't have direct anything, just state run pogoms. Instead, in my town we have Vistovick bend over and drop her pants and we project shadow puppets on her ass.

365 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:58pm

re: #356 doppelganglander


I have a theory on what they wish to do with the names..and I have a strong basis to stand it on.

366 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:53:01pm

When Obama figures out that it only costs 3 billion dollars a month to keep people believing that he's actually working then we're totally screwed.

I'm gonna go check out what the South Side of Chicago looked like in the 8 years he was peddling "hope" and "change" in the 'hood. I have a feeling that I'm gonna find a lot of crime, drugs and prostitution when I look at Obama's "success story", but I could be wrong.

367 CynicalConservative  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:53:09pm

re: #353 iceweasel

Single payer would be ideal, but that's not what any of the proposals are.

I believe you are deluded with that statement but we will never agree so no need to debate. Just want to express my opinion in opposition to yours.

368 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:53:11pm
369 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:53:17pm

re: #330 Cato the Elder

Ramsey is a given, but Carter? Prove it.

I don't think LaRouche is Muslim enough for Jimmah.

LaRoach wrote an article defending Carter in the Mearsheimer/Walt "The Israel Lobby" controversy as just one for instance. I'll not link to his sniveling shit site, but you can find it easy if you google "Lyndon Larouche" + "Jimmy Carter"

370 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:53:34pm

re: #353 iceweasel

Single payer would be ideal, but that's not what any of the proposals are.

is that BOs goal or not?...have the tapes been proved false?

371 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:53:48pm

re: #351 quiet man

Yeah They want to refute the fearmongering..with the IRS and the secret service

it is an enemies list pure and simple

You don't have any proof of that either. No more than Iceweasel has any proof that they won't use it for an enemies list.

372 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:09pm

re: #352 Walter L. Newton

That's not what I asked... you said "Not a way to track people or crush dissent or reasonable, informed criticism."

Do you know that for a fact? Is there some way you could prove to me that none of the emails they collect will be used to keep any sort of "list?"

Any sort of list? No. I expect they'd keep a list of email addresses and send out information.

What reason do you have to believe there's anything sinister going on? I'm not going to be watching for the black helicopters, myself.

373 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:30pm

re: #360 formercorpsman

Proposed or not, it is what they want.

This is just a step in that direction.

No misinformation with that.

374 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:37pm

re: #307 ArmyWife

Pick one! List the "facts" being misrepresented rather than solicit them for whatever reason (quickly developed counter points perhaps?)

The problem here is that the request is coming straight from the White House. Which makes it an official Administration action.

The US has extremely strict laws circumscribing the collection of information on it's citizens by the government or anyone acting on it's behalf. The Left know this - they tried (and failed) to show that several policies enacted by the Bush Administration violated those laws in various ways, such as wiretapping phone calls originating in a foreign country. When the White House puts out a request for people to send information on what private citizens are doing, it sets off all kinds of alarm bells - as it very well should.

Now that the White House has made this request, they need to explain precisely what the intend to do with it, how it will be handled and archived, and provide assurances that nothing which runs afoul of the numerous personal privacy protections is taking place. It's just that simple. What information are you asking for? What information are you receiving? And what are you doing with that information?

The Left, as already noted, has already worn a rut in this path. If this had appeared on the White House website during the Bush Administration in any form, there would be Congressional inquiry panels being seated as we speak. Simply asking for transparency from the Executive Branch on it's intentions in this matter is mild in comparison. It is also a perfectly reasonable request.

375 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:38pm

re: #344 iceweasel

I do know for a fact that endless emails repeating lies and distortions are circulating. The WH, quite properly, wants to refute the fearmongering.

How can they when they are not writing the legislation?

376 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:39pm

re: #354 Cato the Elder
Yes, choice is out the window and without choice, service will fall.

plus I was using anothers words there. don't sweat it so much..try eating around the raodkill..

377 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:41pm

re: #369 Thanos

LaRoach wrote an article defending Carter in the Mearsheimer/Walt "The Israel Lobby" controversy as just one for instance. I'll not link to his sniveling shit site, but you can find it easy if you google "Lyndon Larouche" + "Jimmy Carter"

Umm...if a nutjob writes a letter supporting me, does that mean I'm friends with the nutjob?

378 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:48pm

re: #372 iceweasel

Any sort of list? No. I expect they'd keep a list of email addresses and send out information.

What reason do you have to believe there's anything sinister going on? I'm not going to be watching for the black helicopters, myself.

I dunno.
One flew over my house earlier today.

379 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:56pm

re: #298 brookly red

/so have you ratted anyone out yet?

No one is being "ratted out", just the misinformation is being asked for, and no, I did not forward anything because I never even knew there was a link. I have discussed some of the various "gates"and nirthers at the meet and greets over a beer or three though.
Trust me, they seem net savy enough to know what's out there.

380 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:59pm

re: #215 Thanos

Btw: You might still have time to tivo this on the west coast if you have the History channel, very informative.
Nazi America: A Secret History

It traces the movement from post war to near present. It leaves out the recent transition to tea-cup racialism and the ties to the neoconfederacy.

It's a great show, I've been watching.

381 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:55:14pm

re: #341 Erik The Red

Hey 2H. Any fish or beer left?

The most important thing is there was no local news of the Hoopster crashing the Boat on the Lake today...I'm planning my next beer sometime this winter..I'm about sick of beer right now...LOL
Really Erik..Having a wonderful time..Thanks...I understand there are Walleye at Lake Tomahawk..But they must have gotten the memo that I was arriving and must be hanging low...Fish are smart...:)

382 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:55:18pm

re: #354 Cato the Elder

So it will become less limited?

Careful with those triple negatives, Eugene...

is there a quadruple negative?...or does it come back to where you start?...semantics was my weakness

383 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:55:30pm

re: #377 Cato the Elder

Oh get real, both are anti semites, don't make me rub your nose in it.

384 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:55:49pm

re: #360 formercorpsman

Yes, I know he said that, and is a proponent of such a plan, but none of the many proposals on the table are for single payer.

385 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:56:06pm

re: #360 formercorpsman

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

Youtube Video
Youtube Video

In their own words, hiding in plain sight.

/move along, nothing to see here

386 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:56:21pm

re: #384 iceweasel

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain?

387 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:56:29pm

re: #346 Racer X

Doin great Hoops! How are you?

The Laker Girls have set their roster!

The Laker Girls!
*thud*
That's not fair racerX!

388 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:56:37pm

re: #354 Cato the Elder

So it will become less limited?

Careful with those triple negatives, Eugene...

Alright. Bury the hatchet. Updinged for the subtle Pink Floyd reference.

389 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:56:39pm

re: #372 iceweasel

Any sort of list? No. I expect they'd keep a list of email addresses and send out information.

What reason do you have to believe there's anything sinister going on? I'm not going to be watching for the black helicopters, myself.

Every email they are sent will end up in the National Archives.

390 Maui Girl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:56:47pm

Isn't the concept of an "enemies list" right out of the rulebook for dictators?

/just asking

391 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:56:50pm

re: #383 Thanos

Oh get real, both are anti semites, don't make me rub your nose in it.

That may be. The claim was that they're friends. Somehow I doubt that.

392 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:57:04pm

re: #379 avanti

Seriously, when you were a young Liberal did you ever think you'd be reduced to this kind of shilling for the Man...

"..No one is being "ratted out", just the misinformation is being asked for,..."

It's sad to see.

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:57:16pm

Internets through the air are very cool. I am sitting on the Blue Ridge Parkway. At a crash site. Waiting to clear. Thought I'd break me off some LGF. What's shakin' y'all?

394 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:57:33pm

So - with an entire campaign cycle plus a half year of uncritical, saturation coverage of this administration, how is it that they have come up with a medical insurance policy package which:

1) is more expensive than what we already have
2) reduces options for many people who are currently insured
3) has a base of supporters who can't defend the package other than to declare its critics as anything from "ignorant and misinformed" to "nazis".

My own take is that the current system has room for all sorts of improvement but medical care will always be labor intensive and that labor gets progressively more skilled as new treatments are introduced. So cutting costs from the system will only give you temo=porary gains unless you dismantle the means by which medical innovation happens.


But now we have reputations and honor to defend in DC - so a system of "reform" will be rahmed up our posteriors by the speaker of the house - Nurse Ratchet

395 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:57:46pm

re: #371 Walter L. Newton

You don't have any proof of that either. No more than Iceweasel has any proof that they won't use it for an enemies list.

We don't have proof, but I don't think we need to wait for proof. Obama penchant for trying to hurry things through under the radar gives enough context allied to his socialism to justify a unfavorable interpretation. The object is not a careful search for the truth but rather to inflict political damage on Obama and eliminate his ability to pass his health care bill. This attack helps accomplish that goal.

396 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:58:01pm

re: #391 Cato the Elder

pfft. Bedfellows in Ideology better for you then?

397 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:58:11pm

re: #372 iceweasel

Any sort of list? No. I expect they'd keep a list of email addresses and send out information.

What reason do you have to believe there's anything sinister going on? I'm not going to be watching for the black helicopters, myself.

I don't know what is going on, any more than the stated purpose on the white house web site. Can more or less be going on. Who knows?

398 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:58:48pm

re: #376 quiet man

Yes, choice is out the window and without choice, service will fall.

plus I was using anothers words there. don't sweat it so much..try eating around the raodkill..

Eww.

I'd rather focus on semantic logix.

399 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:58:56pm

re: #372 iceweasel

Any sort of list? No. I expect they'd keep a list of email addresses and send out information.

What reason do you have to believe there's anything sinister going on? I'm not going to be watching for the black helicopters, myself.

the language of the website...that's what we are talking about...it's unprecedented...they don't care about you, you support them

400 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:59:09pm

re: #385 Killian Bundy

I know. As well, it is all but admitted to.

Somehow, folks like me who oppose it for so many reason, (despite my proximity to the subject as a whole) are supposed to accept the simple answer that it is not what is being proposed.

Wedge strategy.

401 freetoken  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:59:17pm

Eeeeshh... I just checked out the HA entry entitled "Ten Holes in Darwinism". The linked Telegraph article has no such meaning, but HA found it fruitful to label the article as such.

The kicker though is in the comments. E.g., the first one is... a slam at Charles.

Really, I wonder what AP and EM hope to be accomplishing by showing that so many "conservatives" are mal-mannered rubes.

402 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:59:24pm

Google Video has the complete "Nazi America: A Secret History."

Google Video
403 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:59:47pm

Commandments of marriage

COMMANDMENT 1:

Marriages are made in heaven. So is thunder and lightning.

COMMANDMENT 2:

If you want your wife to listen to every word you say, talk in your sleep.

COMMANDMENT 3:

Marriage is grand and divorce is 100 grand.

COMMANDMENT 4:

In the first year of marriage the man speaks and the woman listen. In the
second year the woman speaks and the man listens. In the third year of
marriage they both speak and the neighbours listen.

COMMANDMENT 5:

When a man opens the door of his car for his wife you can be sure of one
thing: Either the car is new or the wife is.

COMMANDMENT 6:

Marriage is when a man and a woman become as one, The trouble starts when
they try to decide which one.

COMMANDMENT 7:

Before marriage a man will lie awake all night thinking about something you
said. After marriage he'll fall asleep before you finish.

COMMANDMENT 8:

Every man wants a wife who's beautiful, understanding, economical and a good
cook. But the law only allows for one wife.

COMMANDMENT 9:

Marriage is a matter of chemistry. That's why one treats the other like
toxic waste.

COMMANDMENT 10:

A man is incomplete until he's married. After that he's finished.


The last giggle:

A man attending the funeral of a friend's wife comments on the stormy
weather, "
Yes" the widower says, looking up, "It seems she's already there".

404 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:00:04pm

re: #402 Charles

Oh cool! Thank you.

405 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:00:05pm

re: #402 Charles

Thank you! Fully plan to watch it now.

406 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:00:12pm

re: #379 avanti

No one is being "ratted out", just the misinformation is being asked for, and no, I did not forward anything because I never even knew there was a link. I have discussed some of the various "gates"and nirthers at the meet and greets over a beer or three though.
Trust me, they seem net savy enough to know what's out there.

I don't mean to imply wrong-doing on your part. I do wish to suggest that historically when governments ask that those that oppose their agendas be "reported" it is not a good thing.

407 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:01:31pm

re: #315 Thanos

I haven't found evidence that Carter was a fan of LaRouche. I tend to doubt it. I found an article that quoted LaRouche slurring Carter. He called the ex-President a "a Satan worshipper in the tradition of the cults of Dionysus." I'd post it but my last LaRouche link was deleted.

408 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:01:40pm

re: #284 Maui Girl

Have you guys seen the letter that Senator Cornyn has written to President Obama? Subject matter has to do with the administration asking Americans to report via an email address, flag@whitehouse.com any "fishy" talk regarding the Obama healthcare proposals, for the purpose of "dispelling any disinformation" out there. Hmmm. Sounds alot like Obama's campaign tactics.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

At least there's one United States Senator who has the guts to call Оба́ма's bullshit!

409 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:01:56pm

re: #397 Walter L. Newton

Quite frankly, when you combine that with a campaign that was willing to dismiss certain security aspects when accepting small donations, and claim ignorance, somehow I have a hard time thinking this is really just nuance.

We all know what the hell this is, and it is just a political tap dance for whirling dervishes now.

410 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:02:07pm

re: #390 Maui Girl

Isn't the concept of an "enemies list" right out of the rulebook for dictators?

/just asking

Yes..it right out of the manual..in fact, most dictators consult thier lists daily

411 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:02:11pm

re: #403 Erik The Red

Sleeping well lately?

412 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:02:12pm

Attn: Paranoids
If the government wants to spy on you you'll never know about it. If they want to round you up into camps the plan isn't going to be advertised on blogs. If they wanted to execute your grandma they'd kidnap her, take her to Pah-kee-stahn with a bunch of other old people and hit them with a missile under the guise of and octogenarian Al Qaeda cell instead of passing a crappy bill with the words "Kill Granny" in it.

413 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:02:50pm

re: #283 quiet man

The subject being part of a government bill is actually enough for me. End of life meetings, analysis of how much risk in saviung someone is accptible..again solely at the whim of people like the obama administration

really, just how much freedom is the left wishing to steal from the public??

The coverage for end of life issues was requested by the AARP. It allows seniors to see their doctor for discussions related to end of life issues, and be covered by insurance. They can only go and be covered at age 65, and every 5 years after.
The AARP wanted that in the bill because some plans do not cover the counseling related to hospice, death with dignity, and the rest.

414 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:03:06pm

re: #397 Walter L. Newton

I don't know what is going on, any more than the stated purpose on the white house web site. Can more or less be going on. Who knows?

I think part of the reason I find it plausible that this is about collecting and refuting the misinformation is because I've been following this for a few reasons. There really has been an avalanche of chain emails going out saying all kinds of preposterous things. This is an example of one of them:

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

415 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:03:19pm

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Attn: Paranoids
If the government wants to spy on you you'll never know about it. If they want to round you up into camps the plan isn't going to be advertised on blogs. If they wanted to execute your grandma they'd kidnap her, take her to Pah-kee-stahn with a bunch of other old people and hit them with a missile under the guise of and octogenarian Al Qaeda cell instead of passing a crappy bill with the words "Kill Granny" in it.

How much are they paying you?! ///

416 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:03:28pm

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Attn: Paranoids
If the government wants to spy on you you'll never know about it. If they want to round you up into camps the plan isn't going to be advertised on blogs. If they wanted to execute your grandma they'd kidnap her, take her to Pah-kee-stahn with a bunch of other old people and hit them with a missile under the guise of and octogenarian Al Qaeda cell instead of passing a crappy bill with the words "Kill Granny" in it.

hahaha!...whew!...I feel better already

417 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:05:00pm

re: #415 Sharmuta

How much are they paying you?! ///

How much are you getting paid for questioning things? ///

418 sngnsgt  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:05:02pm

I think Americans have many other things to worry about Obama than his nirth certificate.

419 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:05:13pm

re: #407 HelloDare

That was written before he flipped left to right, at heart he's a populist slime, and will ally with anyone and anything.

420 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:06:20pm

re: #413 avanti

The coverage for end of life issues was requested by the AARP. It allows seniors to see their doctor for discussions related to end of life issues, and be covered by insurance. They can only go and be covered at age 65, and every 5 years after.
The AARP wanted that in the bill because some plans do not cover the counseling related to hospice, death with dignity, and the rest.

Exactly. There is no requirement that the seniors even have those discussions, but the idea is that those consultations would be covered, for everyone.

421 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:06:30pm

re: #419 Thanos

That was written before he flipped left to right, at heart he's a populist slime, and will ally with anyone and anything.

/pimf: right to left, or "libertarian" to left.

Here's a hint: they both milk troofers for money. Jimmy just milks the Saudi ones.

422 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:06:40pm

re: #412 Killgore Trout

bend over and accept whats coming to you??

Sore: #413 avanti
AARP?? I cannot trust them... just another liberal front organization fooling the public and in Obamas pocket.
and natch, I know the left is okay with it and that all those who see it for what it is has and are pissed have been manufactired

/sarc

423 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:07:04pm

re: #411 so MandyManners

Sleeping well lately?

I most certainly am 2M. Thanks for asking. I am also spending a lot of time with my kids, which I have not done since they were born. Two more weeks and than they start school and I start looking for work.

424 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:07:26pm

re: #414 iceweasel

I think part of the reason I find it plausible that this is about collecting and refuting the misinformation is because I've been following this for a few reasons. There really has been an avalanche of chain emails going out saying all kinds of preposterous things. This is an example of one of them:

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

why can't the BO admin get their message out otherwise?...why do they have to shit and then step in it?...where is their credibility and therefore why is this even an issue?

425 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:07:41pm

re: #406 brookly red

When the Government requests that the contents of private conversations be forwarded to their information processing centers I pretty much call it quits.

426 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:07:49pm

re: #382 albusteve

is there a quadruple negative?...or does it come back to where you start?...semantics was my weakness

Well, in logic or in math, a single negative is always negated by a second negative, so it's a positive. A third negative re-negatives it, so it's a negative again. And so ad infinitum... Thus any odd number of negatives is a negative, while any even one brings it back to a positive.

Interestingly, the law applies only in some natural languages and not in others. A double negative ("I won't take none of this bullshit") is considered bad English, but is perfectly grammatical in Russian ("Я ничего не знаю" = literally "I don't know nothing.")

No wonder we couldn't communicate during the Cold War.

427 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:07:51pm

re: #420 iceweasel

re: #413 avanti


Exactly. There is no requirement that the seniors even have those discussions, but the idea is that those consultations would be covered, for everyone.


There is also nothing to suggest that when the government is complete control it wont be mandatory

428 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:07:53pm

re: #413 avanti

You want people to trust yet another stealth Liberal organization pimping for Obama? Good luck with that.

429 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:08:19pm

Obama has a bad history.
Left wing associations, left wing association, and can I have another left wing association ?
But this won't translate into policy. Riiiggght. Gee, look at the time.

430 wintercat  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:08:32pm
If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

The problem here is with the wording. If the WH web had said,

if you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance that seems questionable, email us with your question and we will do our best to get you the facts.

Then nobody would be concerned. But they didn't. They used words that were certain to spark fear. Something fishy? Who says that? Send us the email? Or report what you see on the web. People's involvement in goverment is supposed to be going to town meetings, agreeing or disagreeing, voting for their representatives and then complaining.

When did Americans decide to start reporting on each other to the government? When the heck did Democrats (who frankly I think have been far more outspoken about issues that infringe on civil rights over the last 30 years or so than Republicans) decide that reporting to the government was a good thing?

I am so without a party to belong to right now in the vast abyss called American politics.

431 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:08:44pm

I disagree that the White House is asking to have people turned in. They are asking for what people are saying, but not explicitly who those people are. However, as SixDegrees pointed out above there should be some oversight into what information is being proffered by ardent supporters. Just because such information was not explicitly solicited does not mean it will not wind up in those emails.

On top of that the idea that people should be using the Executive branch directly as a source of information concerning what the Legislature is doing and aims to do has potential issues regarding checks and balances depending on how successful and prolific this type of thing becomes.

432 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:08:54pm

re: #429 SasquatchOnSteroids

He had no idea.

Next.

433 Idle Drifter  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:08:55pm

Late coming in here with some late two cents:

People will believe anything to be true because either they want to or they're afraid it's true.

434 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:09:08pm

re: #416 albusteve

hahaha!...whew!...I feel better already

I'm glad you do...Would you be so kind as to find the key to the door of the Government reeducation camp I'm locked in...
Seriously...If I have to pick out one more sweater for Michelle I'll go crazy...My mentor keeps screaming show those arms sweetie! in my ear 24/7..I emailed my Resume to the Obama Administration today...I give up!
hehehe

435 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:10:02pm

re: #385 Killian Bundy

[Video]In their own words, hiding in plain sight.

/move along, nothing to see here

Obama is getting flack making a deal with the insurance industries support by opposing single payer.

Single payer drop dead.

436 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:10:05pm

re: #426 Cato the Elder

Well, in logic or in math, a single negative is always negated by a second negative, so it's a positive. A third negative re-negatives it, so it's a negative again. And so ad infinitum... Thus any odd number of negatives is a negative, while any even one brings it back to a positive.

Interestingly, the law applies only in some natural languages and not in others. A double negative ("I won't take none of this bullshit") is considered bad English, but is perfectly grammatical in Russian ("Я ничего не знаю" = literally "I don't know nothing.")

No wonder we couldn't communicate during the Cold War.

so you are saying that when I take 4 left turns, I'm back to where I started?...you drive

437 HelloDare  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:10:33pm

re: #421 Thanos

/pimf: right to left, or "libertarian" to left.

Here's a hint: they both milk troofers for money. Jimmy just milks the Saudi ones.

Carter as a Satan worshiper in cults of Dionysus is a pretty funny image. Sounds like a Halloween episode of the Simpsons.

438 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:10:40pm

TAANSTAFMD.

439 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:10:46pm

re: #435 avanti

Yes, it is an epiphany.

440 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:11:06pm

re: #435 avanti
Obama is famous for saying one thing then doing the opposite

famous as hell

441 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:11:25pm

re: #440 quiet man

NO!

442 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:11:38pm

Again, I'm having a hard time getting incensed about the right wing issue of the day -- the White House request for people to "report" web pages or emails with information they think is false about the health care program.

Obama did the same thing in his campaign, and it was very effective. Why wouldn't he use it to promote his health care program?

I'm not worried about the government "tracking me" through this program. If you want to get upset about government intrusion into your private affairs, there are much more serious things to worry about than what you send through email or what you post on a public website.

And government is no better at "tracking people" electronically through the intarwebs than they are at anything else.

443 voirdire  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:11:54pm

Media Matters would like nothing better than to keep this nirther stuff before the American public.

444 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:12:06pm

re: #427 quiet man

There is also nothing to suggest that when the government is complete control it wont be mandatory

well if our waiting lists are anything like those in the UK it will all be moot.

445 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:12:10pm

re: #436 albusteve

so you are saying that when I take 4 left turns, I'm back to where I started?...you drive

Heh. Exactly.

Washington used to be known as the "city of no left turns". J. Edgar Hoover famously told his driver not to take any after he had an accident turning left.

Guess with Obama that's been rescinded...

[ducking, covering head]

446 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:12:34pm

I am going to bed.

447 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:12:45pm

re: #430 wintercat

That is why I call them Demo☭rats.

448 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:13:24pm

re: #442 Charles

Again, I'm having a hard time getting incensed about the right wing issue of the day -- the White House request for people to "report" web pages or emails with information they think is false about the health care program.

Obama's did the same thing in his campaign, and it was very effective. Why wouldn't he use it to promote his health care program?

I'm not worried about the government "tracking me" through this program. If you want to get upset about government intrusion into your private affairs, there are much better targets than what you send through email or what you post on a public website.

And government is no better at "tracking people" electronically through the intarwebs than they are at anything else.

But Microsoft can do it, and they'll send you $100 for every email you forward...

449 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:13:36pm

re: #446 formercorpsman

Good night. I'm not far behind - I feel like reading.

450 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:13:38pm

re: #409 formercorpsman

Quite frankly, when you combine that with a campaign that was willing to dismiss certain security aspects when accepting small donations, and claim ignorance, somehow I have a hard time thinking this is really just nuance.

We all know what the hell this is, and it is just a political tap dance for whirling dervishes now.

I don't trust them at all. But, I am honest enough to say that I don't know if there is more or not behind this.

Bottom line, stay informed, stay ready, right?

451 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:13:42pm

re: #442 Charles

And government is no better at "tracking people" electronically through the intarwebs than they are at anything else.

That right there is the bucket of reality thrown on the fire of this conspiracy, legendary government inefficiency.

452 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:13:53pm

Freepers are still clinging to the rocks and ivy...

In a thread talking about the fake, some of the Krazy Keysters are still defending this nutcase.

Serious denial over there...

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]


Oh, and if you think the birthers are nuts...well then mister, you are a LIBERAL!

Send the nuts of this party on a spaceship to the sun.

453 Maui Girl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:13:59pm

re: #403 Erik The Red

Gee, what's with all the anti-woman stuff? Get rejected by one lately or something?

454 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:14:16pm

re: #442 Charles

Again, I'm having a hard time getting incensed about the right wing issue of the day -- the White House request for people to "report" web pages or emails with information they think is false about the health care program.

Obama did the same thing in his campaign, and it was very effective. Why wouldn't he use it to promote his health care program?

I'm not worried about the government "tracking me" through this program. If you want to get upset about government intrusion into your private affairs, there are much better targets than what you send through email or what you post on a public website.

And government is no better at "tracking people" electronically through the intarwebs than they are at anything else.

Great. Now what am I supposed to do with all these foil hats?

455 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:14:22pm

re: #442 Charles

And government is no better at "tracking people" electronically through the intarwebs than they are at anything else.

Yeah. Thats what they want me to think.

/

456 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:14:50pm

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Attn: Paranoids
If the government wants to spy on you you'll never know about it. If they want to round you up into camps the plan isn't going to be advertised on blogs. If they wanted to execute your grandma they'd kidnap her, take her to Pah-kee-stahn with a bunch of other old people and hit them with a missile under the guise of and octogenarian Al Qaeda cell instead of passing a crappy bill with the words "Kill Granny" in it.

I for one don't see the "fink on your email chain" invitation as some effort to gather up email addresses with which Obama will build a spy database.

The intended effect, in my opinion, is much more corrosive than a secret police. Living in a society where your friends and neighbors may report your activities to partisan commisars is what this moves us towards. Obama has no problem relying on intimidation to silence his critics - a Chicago tactic he used in the wards there.

This is about (as is the PR offensive of the democrats to "expose" the critics of health care reform) intimidating the opposition into submission. Hugo Chavez used it against his critics in the early days and when they finally got around to protesting it he shut down all opposing media. Using different tactics, Putin has eliminated public criticism from the public sphere.

Is all of that around the corner? No. But I'd rather not allow us to have, as standard practice in American politics, those in power asking partisans to collect and submit data on policy opponents to government funded computer systems.

What would the founders think?

457 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:14:55pm

re: #442 Charles
I wish I could find such faith in the system..I wish I could see the Obama admin as fair and honest and that a list in his hands would be safe and used only as a last result.

But then, I have this nagging doubt based on pretty much the last 200 days and his campaign that this is just wishful thinking

458 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:15:05pm

re: #427 quiet man

There is also nothing to suggest that when the government is complete control it wont be mandatory

Yes, it's a master plan to kill off seniors, one of the most reliable voter bases. Honestly, I get that folks oppose Obama, but it's quite a leap to think the government is going to put down seniors or deny them care without losing a vote or two.
Heck, that can't even touch social security and they are going to march seniors to a doctor by force ?

459 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:15:35pm

re: #456 karmic_inquisitor

Needless to say, they'd be pissed.

460 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:15:49pm

re: #453 Maui Girl

Gee, what's with all the anti-woman stuff? Get rejected by one lately or something?

I hope you forgot the /// tag.
I do the jokes both ways. Ask Mandy or Sharmuta. Tonight just happens to go that way.

461 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:16:00pm

re: #454 Sharmuta

Great. Now what am I supposed to do with all these foil hats?

cut them into pasties?

462 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:16:05pm

Three rights make a left.

I hate making left turns.

463 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:16:42pm

re: #435 avanti

Obama is getting flack making a deal with the insurance industries support by opposing single payer.

Single payer drop dead.

He says, back in March. He also said a single payer system is his goal. Besides, he's not writing the bill, remember?

/try watching the videos, they speak for themselves quite eloquently, and they're both less than two weeks old

464 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:16:56pm

re: #462 Racer X

Depends on the juncture.

465 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:16:58pm

re: #403 Erik The Red

I thought you were so ronrey and missing your wife tons while you were preparing your home in the New World and she was left behind in the Old Country.

What happened to you?

466 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:17:05pm

Recently the thought struck me that some in the right want to go with the strategy of "our kool-aid tastes better".

I don't think it's working out.

467 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:17:20pm

re: #451 FurryOldGuyJeans

That right there is the bucket of reality thrown on the fire of this conspiracy, legendary government inefficiency.

Hell, did you know that almost eight years after 9/11, the NSA still can't find enough qualified people to translate from target languages like Arabic, Pashtun and Urdu?

With my language skills, I've even thought of taking a crash course and applying for training. Might even pay a salary.

468 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:17:41pm

re: #453 Maui Girl

Gee, what's with all the anti-woman stuff? Get rejected by one lately or something?

Erik is a good kat with a wonderful family...He just tells jokes sometimes to give us a laugh...Don't be offended...
how is the weather in Hawaii today? I am so so jealous!

469 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:17:50pm

re: #458 avanti

Not so much a leap at all..simply look at who Obama has been appointing for your answer

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel would be a start

470 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:00pm

re: #454 Sharmuta

Great. Now what am I supposed to do with all these foil hats?

Sell em at the next (D) convention. Lets not forget about who their base is...

471 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:03pm

re: #465 Alouette

See #460

472 1SG(ret)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:09pm

You really want to know about how our Government would run heathcare, just ask any military retiree dealing with TRICARE or the F__kin VA. My family has to drive nearly 70 mile to see our primary care Dr., because he is the only one that will deal with the Gov BS, and poor payments. That's just TRICARE... VA is just a fucking nightmare, that no one can explain.

473 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:14pm

So, when will Barry Hussein Wayans drop the act?

474 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:15pm

re: #463 Killian Bundy

He says, back in March. He also said a single payer system is his goal. Besides, he's not writing the bill, remember?

/try watching the videos, they speak for themselves quite eloquently, and they're both less than two weeks old

Those Advocates want a Canadian system. Оба́ма wants the British model.

475 Cygnus  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:28pm

re: #79 acwgusa

He's the missing 14th Cylon!

Who married a Klingon!

476 ArmyWife  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:33pm

Good night. Be well. And remember, you can agree to disagree, there is no need to get into mudslinging - that just gets people angry and dirty.

477 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:36pm

have the 'single payer' tapes been discounted yet?

478 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:55pm

re: #463 Killian Bundy

He says, back in March. He also said a single payer system is his goal. Besides, he's not writing the bill, remember?

/try watching the videos, they speak for themselves quite eloquently, and they're both less than two weeks old

But his goal isn't outlined in the latest talking points memo, so it is just more VRWC crap for now.

479 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:19:20pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

Recently the thought struck me that some in the right want to go with the strategy of "our kool-aid tastes better".

I don't think it's working out.

Must be that pesky "turd in the punchbowl" effect.

480 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:19:40pm

OK, we wuz punked, but I still don't see nuthin throbbing.

481 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:19:41pm

re: #467 Cato the Elder

Remember Bull Halsey...

482 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:19:45pm

Nirth Control, Now!

483 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:19:51pm

re: #442 Charles

. ..

I'm not worried about the government "tracking me" through this program. If you want to get upset about government intrusion into your private affairs, there are much better targets than what you send through email or what you post on a public website. . . .

And government is no better at "tracking people" electronically through the intarwebs than they are at anything else.

IRS
Passport
Social Security Card
Driver's License
Car license plate
business license
birth certificate
death certificate

Just a few of the things one has where one has given the government all sorts of personal information that they could use to track you if they wanted.

That said . . . I think ArmyWife's suggestion upthread, that it would make more sense and have greater impact for the WH to issue a FAQ to go along with the bill, so that people can find their own answers. That would be a much better way of ensuring that the correct information is disseminated than asking people to send the WH their e-mails that may or may not have correct information. That accomplishes nothing until an explanation is given.

484 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:19:52pm

re: #477 albusteve

have the 'single payer' tapes been discounted yet?

They haven't released the latest talking points update yet, so no.

485 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:20:08pm

re: #456 karmic_inquisitor

What would the founders think?


They might think you're a little paranoid.

486 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:20:09pm

More support or the Sowell dog-in-the-manger politics thesis:
Making money is wrong.

Himmelstein’s take — Obama is caving to the insurance industry.

“The President once acknowledged that single payer reform was the best option, but now he’s caving in to corporate healthcare interests and completely shutting out advocates of single payer reform,” Himmelstein said. “The majority of Americans favor single payer, and it’s the most popular reform option among doctors and health economists, but no single payer supporter has been invited to participate in the administration’s health care summit. Meanwhile, he’s appointed as his health reform czar Nancy-Ann DeParle, a woman who has made her living advising health care investors and sits on the board of many for-profit firms that have made billions from Medicare. Her appointment — and the invitation list to the healthcare summit — is a clear signal that the administration plans to propose a corporate-friendly health reform that has no chance of actually solving our health care crisis.”[Link: www.pnhp.org...]

487 freetoken  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:20:23pm

re: #466 Sharmuta

"Less filling"

488 Idle Drifter  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:20:27pm

re: #451 FurryOldGuyJeans

That right there is the bucket of reality thrown on the fire of this conspiracy, legendary government inefficiency.

You can hit those conspiracy theorists with ice water from the Arctic Ocean and they simply evolve like a bad virus. Coming up with even crazier CTs.

489 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:20:39pm

re: #483 reine.de.tout

Yes..those are the places where Obama, with your name can go and match you up with the proper agency

490 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:20:41pm

Has this been reported to Linda Douglass yet?

491 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:21:06pm

re: #487 freetoken

"Less filling"

That... was awesome.

492 Idle Drifter  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:21:06pm

re: #462 Racer X

Three rights make a left.

I hate making left turns.

Try a Michigan Left.

493 Cygnus  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:21:44pm

re: #461 albusteve

cut them into pasties?

Just don't wear them on cold days.

494 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:21:58pm

re: #489 quiet man

Yes..those are the places where Obama, with your name can go and match you up with the proper agency

But why would he want to?

495 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:21:58pm

re: #489 quiet man

Yes..those are the places where Obama, with your name can go and match you up with the proper agency

audits anyone?

496 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:23:44pm

re: #494 reine.de.tout

Because your name is on the list, that in someones opinion, identifies you as one opposed to white house policy...one who goes so far as to project the opinion the white house doesnt want projected.

497 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:24:34pm

re: #495 brookly red
Hillary did all sorts of Gov back hand as fiorst lady..the travel office ... 900 FBI files

498 pbird  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:24:53pm

re: #472 1SG(ret)

You really want to know about how our Government would run heathcare, just ask any military retiree dealing with TRICARE or the F__kin VA. My family has to drive nearly 70 mile to see our primary care Dr., because he is the only one that will deal with the Gov BS, and poor payments. That's just TRICARE... VA is just a fucking nightmare, that no one can explain.

Very true sir. The VA in Boise let my uncles cancer go undiagnosed until it is now too late. They thought he had a back ache. Now they don't want to treat him, because he's too far gone.

499 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:25:09pm

re: #495 brookly red

audits anyone?

think Hilary and her 900 names...people are naive and maybe a bit young...I was there during the Watergate years...POTUS is capable of almost anything...there are some young, idealistic posters here that refuse to believe it

500 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:25:22pm

re: #486 jaunte

Himmelstein’s take — Obama is caving to the insurance industry.

He'd better.

Y'know, I was shocked when a review of the health bill said that "you can keep your old insurance" meant it was explicitly grandfathered in and could not be further extended. That would effectively put every health insurance company in the country out of business on day one. Can you imagine the chaos? It couldn't be what the bill really meant, could it?

Well, apparently it could.

ENTIRELY unworkable.

Even the democrats wouldn't pass such a piece of inflammatory idiocy.

Would they?

So anyhow, imagine everyone's *relief* now when the reform tends to be a nice piece of gradual fabian socialism flowing another couple of hundred billion a year in federal money ... through the insurance companies.

Change!

As in, ka-ching!

501 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:25:24pm

re: #472 1SG(ret)

You really want to know about how our Government would run heathcare, just ask any military retiree dealing with TRICARE or the F__kin VA. My family has to drive nearly 70 mile to see our primary care Dr., because he is the only one that will deal with the Gov BS, and poor payments. That's just TRICARE... VA is just a fucking nightmare, that no one can explain.

Easiest explanation possible: government run, medicine by bureaucrat.

Monday I went to the urgent care clinic at my local VA and it took me over 8 and one half hours to be seen and treated, nearly two years to be triaged (vitals and such). Why so long just to get some antiseptic cream and some anti-strips? ONE doctor with 37 pages of paperwork for each patient seen.

502 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:26:03pm

re: #498 pbird

and another proof of end of life care as provided by the government..the sole entity to decide what medical treatment is worth it.

503 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:26:30pm

Well if Randall Terry got in the White House and then wanted people to submit emails and posts of those who are pro choice, how would my otherwise libertine friends here think of that.

Terry et al would take things further, of course, and make rumblings about prosecuting folks for "incitement to murder" or whatnot for having spoken out for abortion rights.

And that is the entire point - precedent gets used by the other side when they get in office. Just ask Obama about wiretaps.

504 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:27:02pm

re: #483 reine.de.tout


That said . . . I think ArmyWife's suggestion upthread, that it would make more sense and have greater impact for the WH to issue a FAQ to go along with the bill, so that people can find their own answers. That would be a much better way of ensuring that the correct information is disseminated than asking people to send the WH their e-mails that may or may not have correct information. That accomplishes nothing until an explanation is given.

If I had to guess, I'd say they're preparing a post over at the WH site right now called something like "Health care myths and facts".

Collecting some of the more pervasive rumours and myths would be the way to start. As Charles said, this is very like what Obama did in the campaign. It was successful then; my guess is that they want to replicate that strategy.

505 wintercat  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:27:24pm

re: #498 pbird

Very true sir. The VA in Boise let my uncles cancer go undiagnosed until it is now too late. They thought he had a back ache. Now they don't want to treat him, because he's too far gone.

Sorry to hear about your uncle. I have a friend who is in a similar boat but he was seeing a doctor at a regular hospital. He's now too far gone too. I think those things, as terrible as they are, happen in both VA and civilian hospitals.

506 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:27:46pm

Everyone thinks that Obama wants the government to take over healthcare. Not true!

He just wants to eliminate the possibility of anyone making a profit on healthcare. See the difference?

507 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:27:46pm

re: #496 quiet man

Because your name is on the list, that in someones opinion, identifies you as one opposed to white house policy...one who goes so far as to project the opinion the white house doesnt want projected.

The government has limited resources. There aren't enough employees in all of government to do the research and tracking that you are suggesting might take place.

I was HR Director once at an agency that had 1600 employees. They changed the phone system at some point. I cannot tell you how many employees were convinced, just absolutely convinced, that the phone system change was put into place because "they" were monitoring all the phone calls, every day, made by all 1600 employees.

Not enough time in a decade for anybody to do that.

508 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:27:57pm

re: #390 Maui Girl

Isn't the concept of an "enemies list" right out of the rulebook for dictators?

/just asking

Not really. I have an "enemies list", although I must admit it's pretty old. Not very exciting either, just a list of cartoon super-villains from the '80s. And that bastard, Capt. Planet. Sunova bitch owes me money.

Maybe I should update my list.
/

509 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:28:07pm

re: #498 pbird

The government deciding who lives and who dies, especially when it was their mistake to begin with.

And I thought I had it bad Monday. Prayers for your uncle.

510 pbird  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:28:16pm

re: #505 wintercat

Sorry to hear about your uncle. I have a friend who is in a similar boat but he was seeing a doctor at a regular hospital. He's now too far gone too. I think those things, as terrible as they are, happen in both VA and civilian hospitals.

Very true, but it seemed like they just couldn't be bothered.

511 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:28:26pm

re: #126 ArmyWife

Kratovil won by painting himself as a moderate - the margin of win against Andy Harris was quite slim. The area he represents on the Eastern Shore is made up of many Watermen. They are a tough bunch and won't back down to much.

Andy is laughing right now, I'd bet.

Sorry for the drive by post above.

The meme right now is that conservatives are not allowed to speak out - and if they do, the whole thing must be manufactured or they are a bunch of nazis.

512 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:28:27pm

re: #483 reine.de.tout

IRS
Passport
Social Security Card
Driver's License
Car license plate
business license
birth certificate
death certificate

Just a few of the things one has where one has given the government all sorts of personal information that they could use to track you if they wanted.

That said . . . I think ArmyWife's suggestion upthread, that it would make more sense and have greater impact for the WH to issue a FAQ to go along with the bill, so that people can find their own answers. That would be a much better way of ensuring that the correct information is disseminated than asking people to send the WH their e-mails that may or may not have correct information. That accomplishes nothing until an explanation is given.

The objective is to provide the WH with a start on its opposition research. There won't be any FEMA Camps (sorry, Glen Beck) but they will use their info gained to spin and attack those who oppose their plan. Obama can't come up with a good FAQ but that would mean answering the frequently asked questions, and he hasn't been willing to do that.

513 1SG(ret)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:28:30pm

re: #498 pbird

Why I refuse to go the fucking Marion (land of Obama) IL. VA. Their track record isn't very stellar.

514 pbird  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:28:30pm

re: #509 FurryOldGuyJeans

The government deciding who lives and who dies, especially when it was their mistake to begin with.

And I thought I had it bad Monday. Prayers for your uncle.

Thank you.

515 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:29:01pm

re: #504 iceweasel

and why do they need to do that??..let them have another informercial instead of an enemies list

516 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:29:15pm

re: #499 albusteve

think Hilary and her 900 names...people are naive and maybe a bit young...I was there during the Watergate years...POTUS is capable of almost anything...there are some young, idealistic posters here that refuse to believe it

Denial, nothing more, nothing less. They are taking names. Period.

517 Idle Drifter  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:29:37pm

re: #501 FurryOldGuyJeans

Easiest explanation possible: government run, medicine by bureaucrat.

Monday I went to the urgent care clinic at my local VA and it took me over 8 and one half hours to be seen and treated, nearly two years to be triaged (vitals and such). Why so long just to get some antiseptic cream and some anti-strips? ONE doctor with 37 pages of paperwork for each patient seen.

How time, money, and trees would be saved if Doctors were allowed to concentrate on medicine and patient care with proper tort reform and the simplification of the law and regulation?

518 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:30:36pm

re: #516 brookly red

Denial, nothing more, nothing less. They are taking names. Period.

Right.

Because they're just not smart enough to do it in sekrit, like Nixon did.

No, they announce it on the White House website.

The horror, the horror!

519 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:30:40pm

re: #507 reine.de.tout
"Oh..they cant afford it so dont worry if they have your name on a list"..is that what you suggest??

Gte real..liberals still complain of Nioxonx enemy list and the the whole lie about the hollywood lists still reverberates.

520 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:30:46pm

re: #477 albusteve

have the 'single payer' tapes been discounted yet?

Yes. Just $6.99 per tape, or $29.99 for the whole series. Still overpriced for that kind of pr0n, though, if you ask me.

Oh... wait... you said "single payer"... Never mind.
/

521 1SG(ret)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:30:51pm

re: #498 pbird

Prayers for your uncle.

522 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:30:59pm

re: #507 reine.de.tout

I *cough* know of a large company that records every single incoming and outgoing phone call. Millions of recordings annually. Many of them are amusing. Or so I've heard. *cough, cough*

523 pbird  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:31:13pm

re: #521 1SG(ret)

Prayers for your uncle.

Thank you also.

524 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:31:21pm

re: #512 Dark_Falcon

The objective is to provide the WH with a start on its opposition research. There won't be any FEMA Camps (sorry, Glen Beck) but they will use their info gained to spin and attack those who oppose their plan. Obama can't come up with a good FAQ but that would mean answering the frequently asked questions, and he hasn't been willing to do that.

Then the Republicans need to get up to speed. Seriously - have their own system, find out what people's concerns are, prepare their own spin and response.

525 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:31:36pm

re: #519 quiet man

"Oh..they cant afford it so dont worry if they have your name on a list"..is that what you suggest??

Gte real..liberals still complain of Nioxonx enemy list and the the whole lie about the hollywood lists still reverberates.

Your typos tell me you need to cut back on the vodka while blogging.

526 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:31:53pm

re: #518 Cato the Elder

Right.

Because they're just not smart enough to do it in sekrit, like Nixon did.

No, they announce it on the White House website.

The horror, the horror!

they KNOW!
(what exactly, I'm not sure)

527 wintercat  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:32:02pm

re: #503 karmic_inquisitor

Well if Randall Terry got in the White House and then wanted people to submit emails and posts of those who are pro choice, how would my otherwise libertine friends here think of that.

...snip...

And that is the entire point - precedent gets used by the other side when they get in office. Just ask Obama about wiretaps.

Perish the thought on the first point. This stuff becomes a slippery slope. Best for the gov not to even go there. If they want to combat "misinformation" by reading the news and posts on blogs and then responding to them, fine. If they want my friend's or neighbor's email, forget it.

528 brookly red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:32:16pm

re: #518 Cato the Elder

Right.

Because they're just not smart enough to do it in sekrit, like Nixon did.

No, they announce it on the White House website.

The horror, the horror!

it was wrong then... it's still wrong now.

529 1SG(ret)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:32:37pm

re: #517 Idle Drifter

Tort reform doesn't apply to VA. Gov..can't be sued! They gives a shit!

530 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:33:18pm

re: #525 Cato the Elder
Thanks..I'll try it..and if it works, then I will be sober..but your own illness will require a lot more therapy and work..IMNSHO

/grin

531 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:33:27pm

re: #519 quiet man

"Oh..they cant afford it so dont worry if they have your name on a list"..is that what you suggest??

Gte real..liberals still complain of Nioxonx enemy list and the the whole lie about the hollywood lists still reverberates.

I'm suggesting they already have my name on a list. And through voter registration records, they know exactly which party I'm associated with. And they can go to the IRS and know exactly what our income is. And they can to go SS records and know all about my employment record. And all of that is already available to them, without having to sort through a gajillion e-mails.

532 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:33:32pm

It won't make any difference. Some of these nuts will still be convinced it was his real birth certificate. That's how conspiracies work. No evidence is ever good enough.

533 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:44pm

re: #530 quiet man

Thanks..I'll try it..and if it works, then I will be sober..but your own illness will require a lot more therapy and work..IMNSHO

/grin

Qiut staelnig form Chruhchlil.

534 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:46pm

re: #463 Killian Bundy

He says, back in March. He also said a single payer system is his goal. Besides, he's not writing the bill, remember?

/try watching the videos, they speak for themselves quite eloquently, and they're both less than two weeks old

He is not writing the bill, but he has to support it to get passage and has to sign it. As part of the deal to get the insurance companies on board, he dumped single payer.
Single payer is DOA.

535 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:50pm

re: #517 Idle Drifter

How time, money, and trees would be saved if Doctors were allowed to concentrate on medicine and patient care with proper tort reform and the simplification of the law and regulation?

My time spent at the VA had nothing to do with simplification of anything. It had everything to do with government wanting records another doctor will just ignore.

I just found out I have now my NINTH primary care provider (temporary) at the VA in less than 4 years. More replication of tests already done multiple times documented in excrutiating digital detail, easily retrieved from computer storage, because "I don't trust the other doctors".

536 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:57pm

re: #531 reine.de.tout

Then close your eyes and snap your heels together three times.

Myself, I dislike my elected leaders having an enemies list no matter they are and who is on it.

537 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:59pm

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Attn: Paranoids
If the government wants to spy on you you'll never know about it. If they want to round you up into camps the plan isn't going to be advertised on blogs. If they wanted to execute your grandma they'd kidnap her, take her to Pah-kee-stahn with a bunch of other old people and hit them with a missile under the guise of and octogenarian Al Qaeda cell instead of passing a crappy bill with the words "Kill Granny" in it.

Or they'll collect information under an innocent guise, and then use if for another purpose.

Easy enough to avoid; just explain what, exactly, will be done with the information, and be prepared to offer it up for auditing if requested. The innocent have nothing to fear.

538 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:04pm

Primitives - Crash

Youtube Video
539 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:27pm

re: #532 NukeAtomrod

It won't make any difference. Some of these nuts will still be convinced it was his real birth certificate. That's how conspiracies work. No evidence is ever good enough.

On the contrary: Some evidence is too good to abandon. (Ask Rather.)

540 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:40pm

re: #533 Cato the Elder

Qiut staelnig form Chruhchlil.

Churcihll is pubic domain by now

541 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:51pm

re: #533 Cato the Elder
I stole that from keeping up appearances..which is close, I grant you

542 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:52pm

re: #518 Cato the Elder

'Cmon dude, you're not getting into the spirit of the whole thing. Maybe some musical inspiration will help.

;)

543 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:36:32pm

re: #540 albusteve
I think it was hairy during the battle of Britain..but I cant know.

544 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:37:27pm

re: #542 Slumbering Behemoth

'Cmon dude, you're not getting into the spirit of the whole thing. Maybe some musical inspiration will help.

;)

LOL, we used to sing that in grade school...

545 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:37:51pm

re: #534 avanti

He is not writing the bill, but he has to support it to get passage and has to sign it. As part of the deal to get the insurance companies on board, he dumped single payer.
Single payer is DOA.

/well, then we don't need a deficit busting "public plan" either, do we?

546 1SG(ret)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:16pm

re: #535 FurryOldGuyJeans

I really feel for you! You've got more guts than I, putting yourself in the VA's hands. I will avoid it until my last penny is gone!

547 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:22pm

re: #534 avanti

It's DOA for now, doesn't mean dead for all time. Government taking over the economy is still going strong in other areas for now, single-payer can be returned to later when better talking points get written and the camel in the tent of socialized medicine is an accomplished fact.

548 irish rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:23pm

Nothing over at Pamelas', of course.

549 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:43pm

re: #500 itellu3times

He'd better.

Y'know, I was shocked when a review of the health bill said that "you can keep your old insurance" meant it was explicitly grandfathered in and could not be further extended. That would effectively put every health insurance company in the country out of business on day one. Can you imagine the chaos? It couldn't be what the bill really meant, could it?

You can keep your old insurance.

BUT, if it's not a "qualified" plan under the Kennedy bill, they will hit you with the same "fee" you would pay if you had no insurance:

[Link: help.senate.gov...] (Page 103)

So, if you have a high deductible plan and enjoy the savings, you'l have to pay a "fee" to keep it.

So yes, you do get to keep your old insurance (until the company is run out of business) but you'll pay the government for the privilege, as will your employer.

550 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:48pm

Tascon List...

551 Idle Drifter  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:39:01pm

re: #529 1SG(ret)

Tort reform doesn't apply to VA. Gov..can't be sued! They gives a shit!

My mistake on the VA though cutting back on paperwork alone should save a nice chuck of change. Your comment does brings something up, under the public option how are lawsuits handled if at all.

552 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:39:18pm

The Government tracking private cionversations in order to sniff out "disinformation" is good. It's so good it's doublegood. In fact it's doubleplusgood.

553 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:39:45pm

re: #549 Wendya
Not only that, but the public option will not be a profit center..so after all the other options are sent packing..we have what the left really wants...

554 Erik The Red  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:40:17pm

Good Night Lizards. Stay Scaly and I will see you all on the morrow.

555 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:40:41pm

re: #546 1SG(ret)

I really feel for you! You've got more guts than I, putting yourself in the VA's hands. I will avoid it until my last penny is gone!

That's why I do it, no money.

At least I will get preferential treatment when they start the euthanasia clinics, being enrolled in government health care for so long.

556 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:40:45pm

re: #554 Erik The Red

Good Night Lizards. Stay Scaly and I will see you all on the morrow.

Have a good one Erik!

557 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:40:59pm

re: #552 Lincolntf

The Government tracking private cionversations in order to sniff out "disinformation" is good. It's so good it's doublegood. In fact it's doubleplusgood.

This is happening where?

558 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:41:00pm

re: #542 Slumbering Behemoth

'Cmon dude, you're not getting into the spirit of the whole thing. Maybe some musical inspiration will help.

;)

I prefer this one

NSFW
warn : really bad language

559 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:41:19pm

my message to BO...

Youtube Video
560 1SG(ret)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:42:34pm

re: #551 Idle Drifter

I've thought of that also, and asked it of my congressman. He had no answer, hadn't had time to read the whole bill yet! Imagine that, and he's one of the good guys!.

561 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:43:12pm

re: #557 Slumbering Behemoth

This is happening where?

The Left was saying Bush was already doing this with warrantless wiretaps...

562 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:43:56pm

If asking folks to "e-fink" is no big deal, and if Obama's minions can just as easily go out, find posts they disagree with and use the bully pulpit to rail against them, then why would a president who is bent on "post-partisanship" and "restoring the Constitution" be doing such a thing.

Put another way, when I was an Army officer I was held accountable for not allowing even the appearance of a conflict of interest from arrising in my affairs. And I performed to that standard.

Those are what ethics are about - why would Obama allow the appearance of creating a fink database to happen? Isn't this the guy who has told us how important it is to not act in ways that contradict your stated values? Wasn't that the basis for his position on Gitmo and "unilateralism?"

563 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:44:08pm

re: #561 FurryOldGuyJeans

back then..it *bothered them*..now with the appointed anointed in office..its just another belly laugh

/as if!

564 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:44:17pm

re: #557 Slumbering Behemoth

The White House?

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation."

565 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:44:32pm
Inkjet printer: $35

Where the hell is he buying his electronics gear?!?!?!

566 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:44:33pm

re: #538 Jimmah

Primitives - Crash


That was good but I just realised that's the version they used on 'Dumb and Dumber' - with the horrible tongue waggling hair-guitar breaks added, presumably for the American market. Here's the proper (much better) original version:

Youtube Video
567 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:44:35pm

As a historical aside, the propensity to believe obvious forgeries when you have a stake in their being true is ancient and universal.

The number of documents "proving" that Francis Bacon wrote Shakespeare's works is legion.

Then there was Hugh Trevor-Roper:

The nadir of his career came in 1983, when as a director of The Times he "authenticated" the so-called Hitler Diaries. The opinion among experts in the field was by no means unanimous; David Irving for example, initially decried them as forgeries but subsequently changed his mind and declared them genuine. Two other experts, Eberhard Jäckel and Gerhard Weinberg, also authenticated them. But within two weeks forensic scientist Julius Grant had demonstrated unequivocally that the diaries were a forgery. The embarrassing incident gave Trevor-Roper's enemies at Peterhouse and elsewhere the opportunity to criticise him openly.

Trevor-Roper's initial endorsement of the alleged diaries raised questions in the public mind not only about his perspicacity as a historian but also about his integrity, because The Sunday Times, a newspaper to which he regularly contributed book reviews and of which he was an independent director, had already paid a considerable sum for the right to serialise the diaries. Trevor-Roper denied any dishonest motivation, explaining that he had been given certain assurances as to how the diaries had come into the possession of their "discoverer" and that these assurances had been wrong, prompting the satirical magazine Private Eye to nickname him Hugh Very-Ropey.

Ironically, Trevor-Roper had earlier written a splendid exposé of Sir Edmund Backhouse (pronounced "back'us"), who was himself a forger of great and pornographic talent.

568 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:45:06pm

re: #558 SasquatchOnSteroids

I like it, but it doesn't really have that "Oh noes! Guvmint goons R comin ta git meh" vibe.

569 1SG(ret)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:45:18pm

re: #555 FurryOldGuyJeans

Make no mistake about it. My day in your shoes is coming faster than I'd like to think. I can't work for ever.

570 Idle Drifter  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:45:38pm

re: #535 FurryOldGuyJeans

My time spent at the VA had nothing to do with simplification of anything. It had everything to do with government wanting records another doctor will just ignore.

I just found out I have now my NINTH primary care provider (temporary) at the VA in less than 4 years. More replication of tests already done multiple times documented in excruciating digital detail, easily retrieved from computer storage, because "I don't trust the other doctors".

Is there some kind of turf war or the such between the doctors? Or is every one paranoid about being back stabbed by a colleague? That is unnecessary to be repeating all the test like that.

571 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:46:05pm

re: #565 SteveC

Where the hell is he buying his electronics gear?!?!?!

federalfiresale.gov

572 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:46:14pm

An old man lived alone in Chino CA. He wanted to plant his chili
garden, but it was very hard work. His only son, Francisco, who used to help him, was in prison.

The old man wrote a letter to his son and described his predicament:

Oye Francisco,
I feeling pretty bat cuz I do not think I will be able to plant my Chili gardenz this year. I just getting too viejo to dig a garden, but if you waz here, all mi problemas wood be over. I know you would dig the lot for me.
Siempre-
Tu Papa


A few days later he received a letter from his son:

Dear Papa,
Por favor, no, don't dig up the garden, that's where I buried the
BODIES!
Love, Francisco

At 4 a.m. the next morning, FBI agents and local police showed up and dug up the entire area without finding any bodies. They apologized to the old man and left.


That same day the old man received another letter from his son.

Dear Papa,
Go ahead and plant the chilis now. Its the best I could do.
Love, Francisco

573 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:46:15pm

re: #568 Slumbering Behemoth

Just my attitude tonite.
*drink

574 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:46:54pm

re: #561 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Left was saying Bush was already doing this with warrantless wiretaps...

Oh, yes. Must be that gawt-damned PATRIOT ACT thing. I guess the lefties were right about it after all. Nice to know some on the right have come around to their way of thinking.
/

575 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:47:25pm

I expect to continue to see gullible gaffes like this throughout the Obama presidency. Remember that he's hiring all starry eyed technocrats who don't have a clue about precedent, separation or limits of powers, or the constitution. Do I see a conspiracy? nope, just Progressive stupidity.

576 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:47:30pm

re: #568 Slumbering Behemoth

Just because something sounds absurd doesn't mean the Government can't force you to live with it.
Slavery, Prohibition, the Jonas Bros., etc...

577 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:48:04pm

re: #562 karmic_inquisitor

If asking folks to "e-fink" is no big deal, and if Obama's minions can just as easily go out, find posts they disagree with and use the bully pulpit to rail against them, then why would a president who is bent on "post-partisanship" and "restoring the Constitution" be doing such a thing.

Put another way, when I was an Army officer I was held accountable for not allowing even the appearance of a conflict of interest from arrising in my affairs. And I performed to that standard.

Those are what ethics are about - why would Obama allow the appearance of creating a fink database to happen? Isn't this the guy who has told us how important it is to not act in ways that contradict your stated values? Wasn't that the basis for his position on Gitmo and "unilateralism?"

nice post...BOs apologists think otherwise...it's unreal, appearances mean everything to this admin and it appears they will try anything to further their image...when it falls to disfavor they blame others and move on...scrub the sight and pretend otherwise

578 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:48:14pm

re: #564 Lincolntf

The White House?

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation."

You must be joking, right? I see nothing in your post above that confirms anything in your post here:

re: #552 Lincolntf

The Government tracking private cionversations in order to sniff out "disinformation" is good. It's so good it's doublegood. In fact it's doubleplusgood.

579 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:48:29pm

re: #575 Thanos

I expect to continue to see gullible gaffes like this throughout the Obama presidency. Remember that he's hiring all starry eyed technocrats who don't have a clue about precedent, separation or limits of powers, or the constitution. Do I see a conspiracy? nope, just Progressive stupidity.

He hired Joe Biden, that got the party off to a roaring start!

580 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:48:32pm

re: #555 FurryOldGuyJeans

That's why I do it, no money.

At least I will get preferential treatment when they start the euthanasia clinics, being enrolled in government health care for so long.

The euthanasia is only part of the cost savings. To cut down on burial cost for the seniors euthanized, they'll wait for rigor mortis to set in, than the government will drive you into the ground with a croquette mallet./

581 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:48:49pm

re: #576 Lincolntf

Just because something sounds absurd doesn't mean the Government can't force you to live with it.
Slavery, Prohibition, the Jonas Bros., etc...

I think the Jonas Brothers should be sold into white slavery.
/

582 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:32pm

re: #581 Walter L. Newton

I think the Jonas Brothers should be sold into white slavery.
/

Judging by the effect she has on my little niece, so should Miley Cyrus.

583 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:38pm

re: #580 avanti

The euthanasia is only part of the cost savings. To cut down on burial cost for the seniors euthanized, they'll wait for rigor mortis to set in, than the government will drive you into the ground with a croquette mallet./

They can use me to heat the building boilers by cremating me, or doing the real green alternative as being compost.

584 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:44pm

yes..just kids at the park playing with ballons

wiat until it is request for names that do other things..
gun owner registry, DUI registry, meth registry, who ate a big mac today, who is a smoker, or gay

585 Idle Drifter  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:46pm

re: #560 1SG(ret)

I've thought of that also, and asked it of my congressman. He had no answer, hadn't had time to read the whole bill yet! Imagine that, and he's one of the good guys!.

He's a good congressman, I admire his honesty about not having an immediate answer since he hasn't finished reading the bill. The bill itself is not a light read I think it would take a team to disect into parts and studied to come make sense of it before the debate ended and the voting began.

586 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:48pm

New Penn&Teller about to come on if you've got Showtime. It's title "Taxes". Should be interesting, although given the title probably more partisan than some of their other outings.

587 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:53pm

re: #576 Lincolntf

Just because something sounds absurd doesn't mean the Government can't force you to live with it.
Slavery, Prohibition, the Jonas Bros., etc...

hahaha!...good one

588 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:58pm

re: #553 quiet man

Not only that, but the public option will not be a profit center..so after all the other options are sent packing..we have what the left really wants...

How do you compete with an agency that can piss away billions of dollars?

As for "Fishy" statements, I wish one reporter would have the balls to confront Obama and the backers of the Kennedy bill on his "you can keep your insurance" bullshit. Gee, thanks for allowing me to keep my HSA and high deductible insurance and by the way, I really appreciate you forcing me to pay you for the privilege.

589 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:50:02pm

re: #581 Walter L. Newton

I think the Jonas Brothers should be sold into white slavery.
/

I ain't buyin' what you're selling!

590 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:50:24pm

re: #586 Scion9

woot, I am there...

591 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:51:32pm

re: #588 Wendya

How do you compete with an agency that can piss away billions of dollars?

As for "Fishy" statements, I wish one reporter would have the balls to confront Obama and the backers of the Kennedy bill on his "you can keep your insurance" bullshit. Gee, thanks for allowing me to keep my HSA and high deductible insurance and by the way, I really appreciate you forcing me to pay you for the privilege.

Giving you ONE choice, and making you pay for that streamlining. Government at its best.

592 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:51:34pm

re: #578 Slumbering Behemoth

No, I'm not joking. I might be stretching a point, but I'm not joking.

Can you remember the last time a President asked you to contact him with information about those who oppose his policies? What Administration was that? When was the press release? It must have gone completely under my radar.

593 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:52:11pm

re: #588 Wendya
Competition is a bad thing to the left..on a par with excelling in business and achievement

Private Profit is worst of all

594 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:52:20pm

re: #539 Cato the Elder

On the contrary: Some evidence is too good to abandon. (Ask Rather.)

Whatever it takes to keep the beast alive.

595 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:52:55pm

re: #576 Lincolntf

Seriously, I haven't seen, read, nor heard anything at all which indicates that our gov't will be monitoring the private conversations of Americans in order to sniff out disinformation.

That's just tin-foil talk.

596 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:53:52pm

re: #591 FurryOldGuyJeans
Picture the Drivers license bureau and think of how quick the demands they have are absolutely mandatory

597 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:54:06pm

re: #592 Lincolntf

Can you remember the last time a President asked you to contact him with information about those who oppose his policies?

John Adams?

598 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:54:08pm

re: #592 Lincolntf

No, I'm not joking. I might be stretching a point, but I'm not joking.

Can you remember the last time a President asked you to contact him with information about those who oppose his policies? What Administration was that? When was the press release? It must have gone completely under my radar.

This just proves how lost President Obama truly is. Nixon had his enemy list, but he didn't have to ask for suggestions.

599 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:54:21pm

re: #583 FurryOldGuyJeans

They can use me to heat the building boilers by cremating me, or doing the real green alternative as being compost.

They have "green" burials in Maryland now. No embalming, hand dug grave, and a bio degradable box, no headstone, just grass and trees. You get a GPS location so you can visit the grave site..

600 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:54:28pm

re: #595 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes, it is tin-foil talk.
And it comes straight out of the White House. Don't shoot the messenger just cuz the Prez doesn't trust you.

601 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:54:55pm

re: #597 Scion9

When did you speak to him last?

602 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:55:31pm

re: #595 Slumbering Behemoth

Seriously, I haven't seen, read, nor heard anything at all which indicates that our gov't will be monitoring the private conversations of Americans in order to sniff out disinformation.

That's just tin-foil talk.

You should try out the Hi-Def tin foil hats...You get 500 loony channels with 200 in Hi-def...You can't beat it for value..
/

603 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:55:41pm

re: #599 avanti

They have "green" burials in Maryland now. No embalming, hand dug grave, and a bio degradable box, no headstone, just grass and trees. You get a GPS location so you can visit the grave site..

Geocaching!

604 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:55:50pm

re: #599 avanti

They have "green" burials in Maryland now. No embalming, hand dug grave, and a bio degradable box, no headstone, just grass and trees. You get a GPS location so you can visit the grave site..

If the box is bio degradable, then why do you need it?

605 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:55:56pm

re: #601 Lincolntf

Touché.

606 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:55:58pm

re: #595 Slumbering Behemoth

Seriously, I haven't seen, read, nor heard anything at all which indicates that our gov't will be monitoring the private conversations of Americans in order to sniff out disinformation.

That's just tin-foil talk.

Thar comin' ter git yeh! Run fer teh hillz!

607 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:56:07pm

re: #572 Racer X

One fable then off to bed. Gather 'round. Hoops you out there ?

A rich executive from New York had had enough of the rat race, and at last retired to a country farm. It was his dream. To be left alone and leave it all behind. Except for one thing.His shiny yellow BMW convertible. It was the one thing from his previous life he could not give up.
He had a horse, a cow,some chickens and a couple of goats to help keep the pasture grasses neat.Now, the horse and one of the chickens became great friends, to the point that the chicken would ride around on the horses back. One day, while walking along the side of the pasture, the horse stumbled and fell into a pit of quicksand none of them knew was there. The chicken flew off of his back and luckily landed on solid earth. "Help me chicken", cried the horse. "You're my best friend. Save me !"
The chicken, realizing the farmer had driven to town in his truck, furiously gathered all of the other chickens and together they drove the BMW down to where the horse was, chained him to the bumper, and pulled him to safety just before he went under. Backing the BMW back up to the
house where it was, all was well.
About 2 weeks go by, the horse is again walking around the same
spot, sees the quicksand and shudders with the memory, causing the chicken to fall off of the horses back and into the quicksand ! "Help me,horse, you're my best friend!" the chicken cried. The horse
looked around frantically and realizing there was nooone but the chicken and him around, ran top speed to the barn, grabbed the longest 2X4 he could find, and raced back to the pit. Throwing the 2X4 across the pit so it was on solid ground, he reaches across until his front hooves are on the
2X4 and drops his penis down so the chicken can reach it. The chicken, almost submerged, grabs ahold with his beak, and the horse jumps to safety, thus proving the point of the story :

You don't need a yellow BMW convertible,
To pick up chicks,
If you're hung like a horse.

Nite.

608 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:56:28pm

Obama as Frazier Crane: "I'm listening."

609 irish rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:56:32pm

Apologies if the link to this has already been posted, but good freaking grief!

New England Town Offers Retirees Work to Pay Off Property Taxes

Like many seniors, Arlene and "Murch" Murchison live on a fixed income.

They face a roughly $1,400 annual tax bill, but this year will be different thanks to an innovative new program that allows older residents in the city of Saco, Maine to work off a portion of their tax burden instead of paying out of pocket.

Twenty residents have been accepted so far, trading a variety of odd jobs and services for tax relief. Arlene is assigned as a greeter at Saco's new train station. Her husband tags along for the ride -- a two for one deal.

Participants must be at least 60 years old and make under $60,000.

Wouldn't it be better to just give poor low-income seniors a damned tax break?

A city coercing it's poor, low-income seniors who are worried about rising property taxes to work off their tax debt with hard labor... how "innovative". Too bad there's a caveat:

The abatement is capped at $750 per household.

Gag. Me.

610 1SG(ret)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:56:56pm

re: #595 Slumbering Behemoth

Seriously, I haven't seen, read, nor heard anything at all which indicates that our gov't will be monitoring the private conversations of Americans in order to sniff out disinformation.

That's just tin-foil talk.


Must be one of the Bush programs he didn't keep. What a great perz!
//tin-foil mode off

611 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:57:40pm

re: #600 Lincolntf

Yes, it is tin-foil talk.
And it comes straight out of the White House. Don't shoot the messenger just cuz the Prez doesn't trust you.

Is that so? Please link a credible reference which can confirm what you said here is fact:

re: #552 Lincolntf

The Government tracking private cionversations in order to sniff out "disinformation" is good. It's so good it's doublegood. In fact it's doubleplusgood.

... otherwise, all you have is paranoid tin-foil talk in the same vein of the leftists that squawked about the PATRIOT ACT.

612 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:18pm

re: #607 SasquatchOnSteroids

OMG *thud*
/snap bigfoot!
LOL

613 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:21pm

re: #599 avanti

They have "green" burials in Maryland now. No embalming, hand dug grave, and a bio degradable box, no headstone, just grass and trees. You get a GPS location so you can visit the grave site..

Why bother with the box? Just stick me in the ground, plant an outhouse up above, and let me be part of the best seat around.

614 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:27pm

re: #609 irish rose

I'm young and healthy. I wish they would offer me hard labor. That's right, I'm willing to grab my shovel and go where the government points.

615 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:42pm

re: #606 Sharmuta

Thar comin' ter git yeh! Run fer teh hillz!

They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

616 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:42pm

The government already can't run Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA effectively or in the black. Let's turn the rest of the healthcare system over too, what could possibly go wrong?

/what, aren't $74 trillion in unfunded mandates already enough?

617 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:58pm

re: #609 irish rose

Wouldn't it be better to just give poor low-income seniors a damned tax break?

This sounds like a good use of our senior citizens. Maybe it will keep them from having to get any care under Obamacare. They'll live longer.

618 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:59:14pm

re: #606 Sharmuta

Or just read their own words...

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

Do you people actually think that millions of people made up the exact same quote or do you think that the quote says something that the rest of us don't see? It seems pretty clear to me.

619 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:59:21pm

re: #606 Sharmuta

Thar comin' ter git yeh! Run fer teh hillz!

But Iz already in teh hillz! Oh noes, Iz be fuxxored!

620 zombie  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:00:11pm

Most incredibly foolish classified ad of the week:

---

LOOKING FOR A FAKE ID (BLONDE) (concord / pleasant hill / martinez)

"Date: 2009-08-06, 6:00PM PDT

Hello! I am looking for a fake ID (old license) I can buy off of you? Any girl with blonde hair, I would love to buy your old license! "

---

621 zombie  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:01:08pm

Oops! In the space of the one minute it took me to post that comment, they removed the ad!

Craigslist is in high paranoia mode after all the recent scandals, I guess.

622 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:01:18pm

re: #616 Killian Bundy

The government already can't run Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA effectively or in the black. Let's turn the rest of the healthcare system over too, what could possibly go wrong?

/what, aren't $74 trillion in unfunded mandates already enough?

Just wait until it is time to play that brand new game that has everyone talking, "Let's Fix Social Security!"

623 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:01:22pm

re: #620 zombie

Most incredibly foolish classified ad of the week:

---

LOOKING FOR A FAKE ID (BLONDE) (concord / pleasant hill / martinez)

"Date: 2009-08-06, 6:00PM PDT

Hello! I am looking for a fake ID (old license) I can buy off of you? Any girl with blonde hair, I would love to buy your old license! "

---

I have a few outdated IDs I could sell her. See my avatar.

624 Macker  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:01:28pm

re: #615 SteveC

They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

Here you go...

Youtube Video
625 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:02:03pm

re: #620 zombie

Looks like it already got smacked down. My friend used to snag her older sister's license to use as her fake ID. They had blonde hair, for purposes of full disclosure.

626 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:02:17pm

re: #592 Lincolntf

No, I'm not joking. I might be stretching a point, but I'm not joking.

Can you remember the last time a President asked you to contact him with information about those who oppose his policies? What Administration was that? When was the press release? It must have gone completely under my radar.

We live in a Internet age, untruths can go viral in hours and a smart administration will have to stay informed, or be crushed under a load of BS. Just think how many times we've seen folks on LGF go ballistic about one thing or another, and we were able to discover the truth and calm the issue down. The Beck taking your computer for logging on to cars.gov comes to mind. I suspect the GOP will need to do the same when they are in power, and under attack.

627 1SG(ret)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:03:04pm

Ice Cream time! And then prep for work (sleep).
Later folks!

628 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:03:23pm

Heh. I wonder what question P&T actually asked Ron Paul to get that answer?

629 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:03:48pm

re: #618 Lincolntf

Or just read their own words...

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

Do you people actually think that millions of people made up the exact same quote or do you think that the quote says something that the rest of us don't see? It seems pretty clear to me.

It's called paranoia.

630 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:04:08pm

re: #626 avanti

But you justify EVERYTHING that Obama does (or doesn't do) by saying "the Repubs have done/would do it", so your opinion is kind of moot. Thanks for playing.

631 WinterCat  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:04:37pm

re: #562 karmic_inquisitor

If asking folks to "e-fink" is no big deal, and if Obama's minions can just as easily go out, find posts they disagree with and use the bully pulpit to rail against them, then why would a president who is bent on "post-partisanship" and "restoring the Constitution" be doing such a thing.

Put another way, when I was an Army officer I was held accountable for not allowing even the appearance of a conflict of interest from arrising in my affairs. And I performed to that standard.

Those are what ethics are about - why would Obama allow the appearance of creating a fink database to happen? Isn't this the guy who has told us how important it is to not act in ways that contradict your stated values? Wasn't that the basis for his position on Gitmo and "unilateralism?"

I think it is about intimidation and not necessarily wanting email addresses. That is why the language that was used stikes me as odd. My guess is that they are counting on people toning down the rhetoric if they face the possibility of having their dissenting emails shipped off to the WH. Intimidation is a very effective weapon and one that has absolutely become part of Obama's core tools. We saw that in the campaign.

632 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:04:47pm

re: #630 Lincolntf

But you justify EVERYTHING that Obama does (or doesn't do) by saying "the Repubs have done/would do it", so your opinion is kind of moot. Thanks for playing.

No lovely parting gifts?

633 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:04:59pm

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

If the box is bio degradable, then why do you need it?

It's just sort of a cardboard I think, and better then just tossing your loved one in the dirt I guess.

634 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:05:15pm

re: #626 avanti

We live in a Internet age, truths can go viral in hours and a crooked administration will have to stay informed, or be crushed under a load of scandal. Just think how many times we've seen the progressives on LGF go ballistic about one thing or another, and we were able to discover the truth and calm the issue down. The Bush memo comes to mind. I suspect the GOP will need to do the same when they are in power, and under attack by the left.

635 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:05:37pm

re: #611 Slumbering Behemoth

... otherwise, all you have is paranoid tin-foil talk in the same vein of the leftists that squawked about the PATRIOT ACT.

Agreed. Obama is up to no good, but he's not planning some sort of police state. Let's all lay off the crazy.

Upon mature reflection, perhaps the emails to the White House story should not be latched onto. Too many conservatives seem to read a story like this and then fail victim to Black Helicopters-type Bad Craziness.

636 zombie  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:05:45pm

re: #592 Lincolntf

No, I'm not joking. I might be stretching a point, but I'm not joking.

Can you remember the last time a President asked you to contact him with information about those who oppose his policies? What Administration was that? When was the press release? It must have gone completely under my radar.

As I posted earlier, it was a press release issued by the Obama administration on the White House blog:

Facts Are Stubborn Things

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.
637 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:06:21pm
638 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:07:09pm

From nirther conspiracies to gov't spies monitoring our private conversations. :sigh:

Catch ya later, Lizards.

639 Idle Drifter  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:07:25pm

Well everyone here is in for a shock. I found footage of healthcare under the Obamacare.

Youtube Video
640 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:17pm

I hope the FEMA camps have wi-fi so we can stay in touch with LGF.

641 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:49pm

re: #630 Lincolntf

But you justify EVERYTHING that Obama does (or doesn't do) by saying "the Repubs have done/would do it", so your opinion is kind of moot. Thanks for playing.

I don't know if the Republicans have done it, just saying they may well be smart to do it. I'd bet they kept track of all the crap spread around about Palin for example so they could fight back.

642 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:09:06pm

No! No! I found Obama cara footage.

Embedding is disabled, so double-click through to youtube.

Youtube Video
643 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:09:07pm

re: #620 zombie

Most incredibly foolish classified ad of the week:

---

LOOKING FOR A FAKE ID (BLONDE) (concord / pleasant hill / martinez)

"Date: 2009-08-06, 6:00PM PDT

Hello! I am looking for a fake ID (old license) I can buy off of you? Any girl with blonde hair, I would love to buy your old license! "

---

Dear Craigslist: Wanted
Denzel Washington's old cell phone...w/celebrity phone numbers included...
/Whitney Houston: Who is this? The Hoopster...Who? Hoopster...Who? Denzels friend...Where is the party tonight girl?
Oooohhh..The Hoopster! What up boy?
/

644 Idle Drifter  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:09:24pm

re: #640 Sharmuta

I hope the FEMA camps have wi-fi so we can stay in touch with LGF.

What good are computers when many of us will spend time in the Box.

645 WinterCat  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:09:59pm

re: #609 irish rose

Apologies if the link to this has already been posted, but good freaking grief!

New England Town Offers Retirees Work to Pay Off Property Taxes


Gag. Me.

Some might call this indentured servitude.

646 swamprat  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:10:59pm

must be a full moon

647 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:11:15pm

re: #646 swamprat

must be a full moon

I think it was last night.

648 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:11:50pm

re: #644 Idle Drifter

What good are computers when many of us will spend time in the Box.

Now here at the Rock we have two rules. Memorize them until you can say them in your sleep. - Barney Fife

649 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:11:59pm

re: #645 WinterCat

Some might call this indentured servitude.

So many people want to be Hamiltonian, I prefer Jeffersonian. Government is for the benefit of the citizen, not the other way around.

650 WinterCat  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:12:07pm

re: #616 Killian Bundy

The government already can't run Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA effectively or in the black. Let's turn the rest of the healthcare system over too, what could possibly go wrong?

/what, aren't $74 trillion in unfunded mandates already enough?

Don't leave out the public school system.

651 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:12:40pm

re: #646 swamprat

must be a full moon

A stopped moon is full at least 12 times a year.

652 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:12:52pm

re: #640 Sharmuta

I hope the FEMA camps have wi-fi so we can stay in touch with LGF.

They do. I've been locked up here in one for about a month. Nice place actually. You won't mind at all getting loaded onto a bus and brought down here.

653 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:00pm

re: #626 avanti

We live in a Internet age, untruths can go viral in hours and a smart administration will have to stay informed, or be crushed under a load of BS.

They don't want any private competition with the bullshit they're shoveling.

654 WinterCat  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:04pm

re: #645 WinterCat

Some might call this indentured servitude.


Or in dentures servitude. /

655 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:04pm

Kentucky has a problem

Laup Nor's son, Dnar (Rand) is running for the Senate in the Bluegrass State. He must of course be stopped.

656 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:21pm

re: #633 avanti

It's just sort of a cardboard I think, and better then just tossing your loved one in the dirt I guess.

I knew a gravedigger/mortician that told me that the coffin was functional. That if you just threw a corpse in a hole, that over time the bones would sift to the surface, and a huge block of wood or metal would prevent that. I'm not sure if that is valid, but that is what I was told. I'm not particularly interested in the subject, but was given lots of morbid details on a frequently and without solicitation.

Also, embalming isn't mummification. It's really only to keep the body presentable until the viewing and funeral. The corpse will still decay obviously. I don't get the 'green' funeral angle except as a sales gimmick.

657 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:38pm

re: #640 Sharmuta

I hope the FEMA camps have wi-fi so we can stay in touch with LGF.

Just turn your head to talk to most of LGF, you'll only need the wi-fi if you need to talk to a liberal./

658 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:56pm

re: #641 avanti

You honestly believe that the President should use all available technology to cajole citizens into sending in the personal information of those who disagree with the stated aims of his Administration?
Should people who comply with his wishes get some sort of consideration? Maybe a "tax-break for tattlers"?

659 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:14:08pm

re: #653 Wendya

They don't want any private competition with the bullshit they're shoveling.

Dissent from the serfs is just so annoying.

660 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:14:30pm

Good evening all. My calendar says it's a full moon tonight.

661 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:15:07pm

re: #657 avanti

Just turn your head to talk to most of LGF, you'll only need the wi-fi if you need to talk to a liberal./

Only for the first set of round-ups.

662 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:15:07pm

re: #655 Dark_Falcon

Kentucky has a problem

Laup Nor's son, Dnar (Rand) is running for the Senate in the Bluegrass State. He must of course be stopped.

Nooo! He was on Cavuto today; I missed the introduction and just saw his name on the screen and halfway wondered if the two could be related.

663 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:15:21pm

re: #659 FurryOldGuyJeans

Dissent from the serfs is just so annoying.

NRO had something on that:

The Obama gang is derided, often and justly, for practicing cheap racial politics, but even more poisonous, if less remarked upon, is its class politics. The entire intellectual infrastructure behind the stimulus, the bailouts, the auto-industry takeover, and the proposed health-care takeover rests on the assumption that the people who staff the Obama administration are smarter, better, more caring, and more decent than you yahoos out there in the general public, who simply cannot be trusted to make your own decisions about important matters, such as what sort of health insurance to purchase or whether to buy a car that gets 20 miles per gallon or 22 miles per gallon. Given that line of thinking, it’s easy to understand why Obama’s partisans would dismiss those citizens who dare to criticize his proposal as “the mob.” [Link: article.nationalreview.com...]
664 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:16:36pm

re: #626 avanti

We live in a Internet age, untruths can go viral in hours and a smart administration will have to stay informed, or be crushed under a load of BS. .

It's true. Someone I know received one of the viral emails-- when I googled it was already at 400K mentions and climbing. Infesting Free Republic, Rush Limbaugh forums, yahoo news comments, everywhere. And it was only a few hours old at that point. Just unbelievable.

665 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:18:27pm

re: #660 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good evening all. My calendar says it's a full moon tonight.

Thanks!

666 swamprat  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:18:54pm

If you have medications and no prescription, please take a moment and give some to those have a prescription, but are lacking medication.
We should be leveling off any minute now.

667 Idle Drifter  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:19:02pm

re: #659 FurryOldGuyJeans

Dissent from the serfs is just so annoying.

Until the nobles start losing their heads.

668 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:19:24pm

re: #665 Sharmuta

Thanks!

Might get interesting around here. ;-)

669 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:19:26pm

re: #664 iceweasel

400k mentions, and nary a bow to authority without question. Wow.

670 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:19:27pm

Slightly OT - Met a young lady who works for the American College of Cardiology in DC. We email frequently but I hadn't heard from her in several weeks. I sent her a "You OK?" email; part of her response was "Health care reform has made things REALLY busy lately."

671 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:19:41pm

re: #665 Sharmuta

Thanks!

Good evening...Should be fun tonight...
Hope you are well

672 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:20:00pm

And ode to Orly...

“Fools are in great demand, especially on social occasions. They embarrass everyone but provide material for conversation. In their positive form, they become diplomats. Talking outside the glass when someone else blunders helps to change the subject... They’re never creative, their talent is all secondhand... Fools don’t claim that cats bark, but they talk about cats when everyone else is talking about dogs. They offend all the rules of conversation, and when they really offend, they’re magnificent. It’s a dying breed, the embodiment of all the bourgeois virtues. (Eco - Foucault's Pendulum)

673 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:20:18pm

re: #658 Lincolntf

You honestly believe that the President should use all available technology to cajole citizens into sending in the personal information of those who disagree with the stated aims of his Administration?
Should people who comply with his wishes get some sort of consideration? Maybe a "tax-break for tattlers"?

Use all available technology yes, but I don't see the cajoling. Obama is a master at innovative ways of using the net, get accustomed to it, it'll be SOP in years to come.

674 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:20:20pm

re: #660 Pvt Bin Jammin

Good evening all. My calendar says it's a full moon tonight.

I like full moons. Crazy shit happens.

675 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:20:41pm

re: #668 Pvt Bin Jammin

Might get interesting around here. ;-)

Might? Get? Where have you been?!? ;)

676 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:21:14pm

re: #609 irish rose

Apologies if the link to this has already been posted, but good freaking grief!

New England Town Offers Retirees Work to Pay Off Property Taxes


Gag. Me.

Whats cute about the article is the level of taxation. $1400? Ha! In many suburbs of NYC taxes typically range from $12,000-$17,000 a year.

Property is not selling not because of its price but because of its overwhelming tax liability.

You have to budget a QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS in tax liability if you plan a generational household (20 years).

677 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:21:28pm

re: #664 iceweasel

Well then, do your job. Everything I've seen posted lately has been directly from the Health Care Bill or from Obama's "Flag@Whitehouse" horror show.
Tell us what you're learning from these super duper secret special viral e-mails that the rest of us are not learning from the Admin.'s own words.

678 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:21:44pm

re: #673 avanti

An Informant Technocracy, whee!

679 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:21:50pm

re: #673 avanti

Use all available technology yes, but I don't see the cajoling. Obama is a master at innovative ways of using the net, get accustomed to it, it'll be SOP in years to come.

hahaha!...master alright...you're the dog, he's the master, you poodle

680 Digital Display  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:21:50pm

re: #674 DesertSage

I like full moons. Crazy shit happens.

You can't buy more fun

681 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:23:30pm

re: #669 FurryOldGuyJeans

400k mentions, and nary a bow to authority without question. Wow.

This was a kook email, all about how Obamacare will kill people. Point is, it was based on some guy's twitter account and went completely viral. It was almost like that old game Telephone where a word or sentence gets passed on and grows ever more distorted in the retelling.

682 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:23:42pm

re: #636 zombie

As I posted earlier, it was a press release issued by the Obama administration on the White House blog:

Facts Are Stubborn Things

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

Casual conversation must be stopped, and cleansed.

683 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:23:44pm

Supper time - BBIAB

684 jorline  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:24:00pm

Dear President Obama, VP Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid

Youtube Video
685 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:24:06pm

re: #679 albusteve

hahaha!...master alright...you're the dog, he's the master, you poodle

Downding. That was snarky and nasty, steve. You can do better.

686 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:24:29pm

re: #663 jaunte

NRO had something on that:

Clinton was asked by a reporter back in '99 why he opposed tax cuts if we had a surplus. His response was: "We could give it all back to you and hope you spend it right... But ... if you don't spend it right, here's what's going to happen. In 2013 -- that's just 14 years away -- taxes people pay on their payroll for Social Security will no longer cover the monthly checks... I want every parent here to look at the young people here, and ask yourself, 'Do you really want to run the risk of squandering this surplus?' " -- Source: Washington Times, January 21, 1999

The left thinks we're incapable of making our own decisions.

687 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:24:45pm

Poster idea:

"Uncle Sam wants you to E-fink. flag@whitehouse.gov"

688 BlackFedora  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:25:28pm

This is your brain on Nirth. Any questions?

689 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:25:44pm

re: #676 experiencedtraveller

Whats cute about the article is the level of taxation. $1400? Ha! In many suburbs of NYC taxes typically range from $12,000-$17,000 a year.

Property is not selling not because of its price but because of its overwhelming tax liability.

You have to budget a QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS in tax liability if you plan a generational household (20 years).

/and another quarter million annually for malpractice insurance if you're an OB/GYN

690 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:25:51pm

re: #681 iceweasel

400k, and nary a bow to the authority of government without question. Wow.

I prefer eternal vigilance to restrict the tyranny of the government.

691 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:25:54pm

re: #684 jorline

Dear President Obama, VP Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid


Quite Concur.

692 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:25:57pm

re: #685 Dark_Falcon

Downding. That was snarky and nasty, steve. You can do better.

BO master of the internet?...I don't care at all about downdings...find another way

693 SteveC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:26:20pm

re: #686 Wendya

Clinton was asked by a reporter back in '99 why he opposed tax cuts if we had a surplus. His response was: "We could give it all back to you and hope you spend it right... But ... if you don't spend it right, here's what's going to happen. In 2013 -- that's just 14 years away -- taxes people pay on their payroll for Social Security will no longer cover the monthly checks... I want every parent here to look at the young people here, and ask yourself, 'Do you really want to run the risk of squandering this surplus?' " -- Source: Washington Times, January 21, 1999

The left thinks we're incapable of making our own decisions.

Social Security is gone, RIGHT NOW. This month's Fortune has a great article on it.

694 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:26:36pm

re: #677 Lincolntf

Well then, do your job. Everything I've seen posted lately has been directly from the Health Care Bill or from Obama's "Flag@Whitehouse" horror show.
Tell us what you're learning from these super duper secret special viral e-mails that the rest of us are not learning from the Admin.'s own words.

It was a wacko email. I'm not posting it, but I'll link to a rebuttal of it:
[Link: www.politifact.com...]

Lord only knows how many people got it or parts of it. Probably some people here have also encountered it in some form or other.

695 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:27:32pm

re: #692 albusteve

BO master of the internet?...I don't care at all about downdings...find another way

No, the part about a lizard being a poodle was excessively snarky. Even this cranky old coot wouldn't have gone that route.

696 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:27:45pm

eFink™

Because friends don't let friends oppose Obama.

697 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:28:54pm

Well, good night, all. I have a whole bunch of stuff that I need to send to the White House before I can sleep soundly.

Not this thread, though. We don't do that until they're dead.

Iceweasel, I believe it's your turn?

698 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:07pm

re: #694 iceweasel

Think about this part of the debunking. Someone didn't study economics.

Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! False: Section 122 outlines broad categories of benefits that must be included in an essential benefits package. It prohibits cost-sharing for preventive care and limits annual out-of-pocket spending to $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family, indexed for inflation. It says nothing about rationing or limiting treatment.

699 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:16pm

re: #689 Killian Bundy

/and another quarter million annually for malpractice insurance if you're an OB/GYN

And for all the grand schemes of this Administration we hear nothing about TORT reform.

700 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:17pm

re: #693 SteveC

Social Security is gone, RIGHT NOW. This month's Fortune has a great article on it.

Just think of what you could have done with all that money you've paid up till now. Even with the stock market crash, you'd get a better rate of return over time than the government.

701 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:27pm

re: #694 iceweasel

Oh yeah, only give one side of the evidence. What about letting people decide the truth for themselves? Post links to BOTH the email and the rebuttal/

702 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:49pm

re: #695 FurryOldGuyJeans

No, the part about a lizard being a poodle was excessively snarky. Even this cranky old coot wouldn't have gone that route.

snark is no longer allowed?...all these rules will be my downfall...
avanti is NOT a poodle...I apologize

703 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:30:44pm

re: #700 Wendya

Just think of what you could have done with all that money you've paid up till now. Even with the stock market crash, you'd get a better rate of return over time than the government.

But you with money wouldn't let the government control you with the largesse they give back to after taxing it out of you.

704 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:30:55pm

re: #699 experiencedtraveller

And for all the grand schemes of this Administration we hear nothing about TORT reform.

Youtube Video

/sure you do, they're against it

705 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:30:58pm

re: #694 iceweasel

It was a wacko email. I'm not posting it, but I'll link to a rebuttal of it:
[Link: www.politifact.com...]

Lord only knows how many people got it or parts of it. Probably some people here have also encountered it in some form or other.

Hmmm...I take it you think Obamacare is a good thing?

706 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:31:18pm

re: #699 experiencedtraveller

And for all the grand schemes of this Administration we hear nothing about TORT reform.

The democrats received over 178 million dollars from lawyers last election cycle. Do you really think they're going to kill the goose laying the golden egg?

707 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:31:51pm

Limiting the amount of spending on a thing not in infinite supply, results in the regulation of the supply of the thing, by rationing.

708 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:32:02pm

re: #687 karmic_inquisitor

Poster idea:

"Uncle Sam wants you to E-fink. flag@whitehouse.gov"

How about we spam the site with links to the "problem emails' that really open into something else? My link nominee.

Other nominations welcome.

709 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:32:03pm

KT, you really do not want to watch the next edition of Penn and Teller...

Luap Nor, Flat Tax, Tea party looking people

/ it actually was a good show and I recommend people watch it.

710 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:32:27pm

re: #694 iceweasel

The most trenchant query is...
"Did you or did you not forward the name of at least one non-Obama voter to the Administration today? If not, why not?"

The chatter doesn't matter.

711 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:32:27pm

re: #706 Wendya

The democrats received over 178 million dollars from lawyers last election cycle. Do you really think they're going to kill the goose laying the golden egg?

Ah, but it really is a golden egg type of a situation. The refusal to allow tort reform might just yet kill off the private health care system.

And the government doesn't allow its doctors to be sued--not for millions, anyway.

712 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:33:12pm

Hello lizards! What have I missed today?

713 Racer X  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:33:14pm

Extreme Pool Jump

Wow!

Gotta be fake.

714 jorline  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:35:10pm

Rowan & Martin

Youtube Video

Caution...Tiny Tim embedded.

715 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:35:18pm

re: #713 Racer X

Extreme Pool Jump

Wow!

Gotta be fake.

Holy cow.

716 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:35:22pm

re: #705 DesertSage

Hmmm...I take it you think Obamacare is a good thing?

I've read the "rebuttal". Much of it sounds just too much like Obamacare cheerleading and some of it is downright misleading.

My grade? FAIL.

717 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:35:23pm

re: #701 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh yeah, only give one side of the evidence. What about letting people decide the truth for themselves? Post links to BOTH the email and the rebuttal/

The email is chock full of crazy, and there's more than one version of it in circulation.

And you can find a link to the site that it's based on at the link I already gave.

718 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:36:19pm

I love the rationing rebuttal.

Only a year ago i was in arguments with progressives and said that healthcare would be rationed and the scripted response back then was:

"It already is rationed - the rich get it and the poor don't"

The more thoughtful response went

"It is already rationed. all things in an economy that represent an exhaustible resource are rationed."

I now see that the response has turned to:

"We will provide everyone with everything. We promise."

The last of those 3 responses is the least honest and least responsible. So much for the Obama administration making "tough choices".

Tough on our grandchildren, I suppose.

719 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:36:22pm

re: #708 Dark_Falcon

How about we spam the site with links to the "problem emails' that really open into something else? My link nominee.

Other nominations welcome.

Since they were looking for "fishy" emails, I sent them to [Link: www.fish.com...]

720 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:37:15pm

re: #717 iceweasel

You'd have made a good Warren Commissioner. You keep presenting the Brief for the Prosecution as the sole evidence acceptable to hear.

721 Pvt Bin Jammin  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:38:08pm

re: #674 DesertSage

Indeed.

Sorry it took me so long to answer. Hubby just came home & we were talking.

722 zombie  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:38:57pm

re: #694 iceweasel

It was a wacko email. I'm not posting it, but I'll link to a rebuttal of it:
[Link: www.politifact.com...]

Lord only knows how many people got it or parts of it. Probably some people here have also encountered it in some form or other.

The existence of hysterical wacko responses to real facts in no way negates the existence of those facts nor does it invalidate the need for a reasoned and rational response to those facts.

I don't care if there was some whacky email. The White House blog post in and of itself is disturbing to me, personally, and I don't need or want someone else's cultural filter to either tell me it's the end of the world or, alternately, nothing to worry about.

723 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:39:17pm

re: #692 albusteve

BO master of the internet?...I don't care at all about downdings...find another way

Point me to a post where I called him the "master of the internet ? I said he is a "master at innovative ways of using the net", quite a different thing than your version IMHO.

724 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:39:22pm

Iceweasel, I'd be interested to know your take on what I posted earlier regarding Obama's claim we can "keep our insurance". Do you believe he should have noted that we can only keep insurance that doesn't meet their "qualifying" standards if we pay the same fine we would if we had no insurance? Don't you think it's just a bit dishonest?

725 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:40:18pm

re: #710 Lincolntf

The most trenchant query is...
"Did you or did you not forward the name of at least one non-Obama voter to the Administration today? If not, why not?"

The chatter doesn't matter.

Yeah, as soon as I can fit it into my heavy schedule of America hating I will.//

Look, you've seen the language on the WH site. It doesn't ask for names. It doesn't even ask for email addresses.It's asking, very reasonably, that people alert them to the rumours or misinformation being spread. The content of the viral emails.

I can understand opposition to Obama, or opposition to the health care proposals, but the tinfoil hat "Obama is taking names of dissenters!" stuff is just over the line.

726 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:40:46pm

re: #718 karmic_inquisitor

Zero-sum. Old joke about the peasant asking the genie for a wish,
with the proviso that the peasant's neighbor gets double the request.
"Poke out one of my eyes!"

727 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:40:54pm

re: #713 Racer X

Extreme Pool Jump

Wow!

Gotta be fake.

That's great.
It is definitely fake btw. The ballistic flight to the pool is much longer (and more energetic) than the slide down the yellow strip, which is all that generates the energy for it. It's like trying to coast over a hill higher than the one you just coasted down to get up speed.

728 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:41:07pm

re: #721 Pvt Bin Jammin

Indeed.

Sorry it took me so long to answer. Hubby just came home & we were talking.

I'm just waiting for this weasel person to answer my question.

:')

729 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:41:28pm

re: #724 Wendya

Iceweasel, I'd be interested to know your take on what I posted earlier regarding Obama's claim we can "keep our insurance". Do you believe he should have noted that we can only keep insurance that doesn't meet their "qualifying" standards if we pay the same fine we would if we had no insurance? Don't you think it's just a bit dishonest?

They keep changing the qualifications and standards for Cash for Clunkers. The same will be operative for health care insurance.

730 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:42:30pm

re: #709 Thanos

KT, you really do not want to watch the next edition of Penn and Teller...

Luap Nor, Flat Tax, Tea party looking people

/ it actually was a good show and I recommend people watch it.

Sounds interesting. I love Penn and Teller but Penn is a political nutcase. He's funny and smart but when it comes to politics he's a complete loon. Sadly, it seems to happen with libertarians. There's nothing really wrong with the philosophy but it comes wrapped in so much unnecessary loony garbage. I think they tend to be more Utopian than realist. Maybe that's the problem.

731 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:42:32pm

re: #705 DesertSage

Hmmm...I take it you think Obamacare is a good thing?

I'll jump in and give my take, I have no idea yet. It depends a lot on what the final bill looks like. I will say that I'll look at it objectively and not dismiss it out of hand, or see evil where there is none. I'm on Medicare, and agnostic on the issue so far.

732 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:43:14pm

re: #731 avanti

Sitting on a barbed-wire fence again, I see.

733 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:43:34pm

re: #725 iceweasel

Yeah, as soon as I can fit it into my heavy schedule of America hating I will.//

Look, you've seen the language on the WH site. It doesn't ask for names. It doesn't even ask for email addresses.It's asking, very reasonably, that people alert them to the rumours or misinformation being spread. The content of the viral emails.

I can understand opposition to Obama, or opposition to the health care proposals, but the tinfoil hat "Obama is taking names of dissenters!" stuff is just over the line.

Actually, they are sking for people to send them what they find. That is not quite the same as asking people to alert the WH to circulating rumors.

Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov

734 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:43:40pm

maybe a thread?...wow!

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

735 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:43:42pm

re: #724 Wendya

Sorry, Wendya, I missed your comment. Where is it?

736 zombie  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:44:12pm

re: #727 Shiplord Kirel

That's great.
It is definitely fake btw. The ballistic flight to the pool is much longer (and more energetic) than the slide down the yellow strip, which is all that generates the energy for it. It's like trying to coast over a hill higher than the one you just coasted down to get up speed.

I dunno. Looks real to me. If it's a fake, it's extremely well-done.

The length of the downhill slide is actually quite long if you look at it. If the guy was sufficiently greased up to minimize friction, I could see him building up sufficient momentum to fly that far. Think of ski jumps -- they go much farther.

737 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:44:25pm

re: #722 zombie

Every jackass with two Twitter followers is considered the "face of the Republican Party" when it suits the purposes of the MSM idiots and their online compadres.
Of course, if you try to get them to admit that President Obama speaks for the Dems, you're s.o.l.
If there's one thing the Lefties learn early, it's plausible deniability.

738 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:44:57pm

re: #734 albusteve

We saw her beaver 20 years ago. Her tits are late.

739 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:44:59pm

re: #730 Killgore Trout

You will probably enjoy it. They poke some fun at Luap Nor. Grover Norquist, Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxman, and others have cameos

740 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:45:23pm

re: #732 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sitting on a barbed-wire fence again, I see.

I can't decide on my opinion of a bill that is not yet written. If I said I loved it, and they added a kill the old farts provision, I'd look silly.

741 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:45:58pm

re: #722 zombie

The existence of hysterical wacko responses to real facts in no way negates the existence of those facts nor does it invalidate the need for a reasoned and rational response to those facts.

I don't care if there was some whacky email. The White House blog post in and of itself is disturbing to me, personally, and I don't need or want someone else's cultural filter to either tell me it's the end of the world or, alternately, nothing to worry about.

Remember how Reagan got the name Mr Teflon?

Obama should have the name "Mr Strawman".

Read his speeches as of late - filled with "there are even those who argue 'x'" which he then fills in with some unreasonable assertion to rebuff.

That is what Obama feeds on - finding the very worst of the arguments against his position and then saddling all of his opponents with ownership of that argument.

So we are all about to hear about the "fishy" arguments made in the whacked out emails, and have the images of "Teabaggers gone wild" flashed on the screen and then all opposition to Obamacare will be classified as a sort of Ludditry.

742 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:46:21pm

re: #725 iceweasel

Your undying faith in the virtuous nature of Government information gathering is amusing to me.

743 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:46:28pm

re: #738 Killgore Trout

We saw her beaver 20 years ago. Her tits are late.

I don't really have a knack for big news...

744 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:47:08pm

re: #730 Killgore Trout

I agree with your take on Libertarians. They come in various stripes, and Penn is of the variety that sees Libertarianism as a moral imperative, so he is very much of a Utopian, although of the anarchist variety. There are strains of Libertarianism that aren't based upon morals and rights-based arguments though.

745 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:47:12pm

re: #742 Lincolntf

Your undying faith in the virtuous nature of Government information gathering is amusing to me.

Your paranoia is creepy.

746 esch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:47:48pm

re: #736 zombie

I'm almost certain it's fake. It would take a very small variation in friction going down that ramp to throw him off by feet.

And I don't see any large impact marks or bloodstains on the platform from previous attempts. Miss on that landing and you're toast.

747 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:48:11pm

re: #722 zombie

The White House blog post in and of itself is disturbing to me, personally, and I don't need or want someone else's cultural filter to either tell me it's the end of the world or, alternately, nothing to worry about.

And I think that if you're worried about government intrusion into privacy, there are a lot more serious issues to be worried about. This is nothing more than an extension of the same techniques Obama employed, successfully, during the campaign to combat smears and rumours.

748 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:48:19pm

re: #745 Sharmuta

You should probably contact Flag@Whitehouse.gov.

Just to be on the safe side, of course.

749 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:48:20pm

re: #735 iceweasel

Sorry, Wendya, I missed your comment. Where is it?

Oh, sorry. #549.

750 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:49:11pm

re: #734 albusteve

maybe a thread?...wow!

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And I'm sure that photo was retouched at all...

751 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:49:15pm

re: #731 avanti

I'll jump in and give my take, I have no idea yet. It depends a lot on what the final bill looks like. I will say that I'll look at it objectively and not dismiss it out of hand, or see evil where there is none. I'm on Medicare, and agnostic on the issue so far.

Well, I'll take a stab at it. You're on Medicare. How's that program working for the taxpayers? Has it cut costs? Has it made health care more affordable?

How is another government run program going to be any different?

752 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:49:25pm

re: #746 esch

I'm almost certain it's fake. It would take a very small variation in friction going down that ramp to throw him off by feet.

And I don't see any large impact marks or bloodstains on the platform from previous attempts. Miss on that landing and you're toast.

Mmmm, toast. With marmalade, please.

753 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:49:41pm

re: #742 Lincolntf

Your undying faith in the virtuous nature of Government information gathering is amusing to me.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Darth Vader /

754 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:49:50pm

re: #738 Killgore Trout

We saw her beaver 20 years ago. Her tits are late.

And bound to be hanging down to her waist by now.

Oh, wait. Hollywood.

On a related note, I've taken notice of Valerie Bertinelli's massive weight loss, and applaud her immensely. You go, girl.

755 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:50:12pm

re: #751 DesertSage

Well, I'll take a stab at it. You're on Medicare. How's that program working for the taxpayers? Has it cut costs? Has it made health care more affordable?

How is another government run program going to be any different?

Pssst, he's retired Navy. Ask him about the VA.

756 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:50:17pm

re: #745 Sharmuta

Your paranoia is creepy.

do you remember Watergate?

757 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:50:22pm

Sage?

758 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:50:30pm

re: #736 zombie

I dunno. Looks real to me. If it's a fake, it's extremely well-done.

The length of the downhill slide is actually quite long if you look at it. If the guy was sufficiently greased up to minimize friction, I could see him building up sufficient momentum to fly that far. Think of ski jumps -- they go much farther.

The starting runs for ski jumps are also much longer and higher than either the ramp or the jump itself. In this video, the pool is higher than the starting point on the yellow strip. Gravity alone will not build up enough energy to take you above your starting point. It's common sense.

759 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:50:41pm

re: #757 Noam Sayin'

Sage?

Rosemary?

760 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:51:02pm

re: #748 Lincolntf

You should probably contact Flag@Whitehouse.gov.

Just to be on the safe side, of course.

Right after I'm done writing to Flag@DarwinistHQ.org, I'm on it.

761 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:51:37pm

re: #756 albusteve

do you remember Watergate?

Nice hotel. What about it?

762 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:51:41pm

re: #760 Sharmuta

I thought Flag.org was reserved for Scientology emails?

763 jdog29  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:51:41pm

Ann Coulter skewers the birthers and lambastes the truthers and shows as nutty as the few supporters of the birthers are on the GOP side, the truthers are even crazier and higher up on the Dem side. As usual, it's not even close.

764 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:52:18pm

re: #751 DesertSage

Well, I'll take a stab at it. You're on Medicare. How's that program working for the taxpayers? Has it cut costs? Has it made health care more affordable?

How is another government run program going to be any different?

I have no real problems with Medicare other then the gap insurance I have to pay for. It's the only way most seniors can afford health insurance.

765 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:52:39pm

re: #751 DesertSage

Not to mention... Medicare was supposed to only double in cost by 1990 from $5 billion in the '60s. It's now at $440 billion.

When are you dumb-f*ck liberals going to recognize that your party has been taken over by socialists?

766 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:00pm

re: #757 Noam Sayin'

Sage?

Parsley

767 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:01pm

re: #755 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pssst, he's retired Navy. Ask him about the VA.

The VA sucks, never use it.

768 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:06pm

Furry?

Nana?

769 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:25pm

re: #761 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nice hotel. What about it?

it's been remodelled...new portico, all the fountains are gone, as is the roundabout in front

770 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:46pm

re: #767 avanti

The VA sucks, never use it.

Gee, you dissing government health care?!?

/ faints

771 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:54:14pm

re: #766 DesertSage

Parsley

Thyme

772 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:54:25pm

re: #739 Thanos

You will probably enjoy it. They poke some fun at Luap Nor. Grover Norquist, Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxman, and others have cameos

Huh, that surprises me. He actually co-hosted the Tea Party coverage on FOX with Glenn Beck and he appears on his show all the time. It wouldn't have surprised to me to find that Penn was a Paulian. I'll keep any eye out for the new episode when it shows up online.

773 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:54:36pm

re: #771 FurryOldGuyJeans

Thyme

Dibs on sage!

774 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:54:41pm

I rather liked this cartoon in the Post.

[Link: www.uclick.com...]

775 esch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:54:52pm

re: #747 iceweasel

And I think that if you're worried about government intrusion into privacy, there are a lot more serious issues to be worried about. This is nothing more than an extension of the same techniques Obama employed, successfully, during the campaign to combat smears and rumours.

It's pretty simple.

I simply don't trust them not to compile this information and use it later on as another data-mining point of correlation for profiling.

776 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:11pm

Oops, too late.

Rosemary's baby?

777 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:18pm

BTW -

I could write an application on the front of a database and place that application in about 20 different datacenters that the US Government has access to and gather about 80% of the active email account names.

Email on the internet is not secure - folks rely on the goodwill and trust that they put into a few datacenter operators who end up routing a big chunk of the traffic.

Picking out pakets with email headers wouldn't be tough.

IIRC, the FBI built such an application a few years back but didn't deploy it over privacy concerns.

Point is - there are vastly more efficient ways to gather emails than efink.

What gets me about efink is the political / intimidation aspect which is corrosive to democracy, IMO. I thought we were going to tone down partisanship in this country. EFink is about motivating one group of partisans against the other.

778 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:26pm

re: #767 avanti

The VA sucks, never use it.

Imagine all heath care run like VA... but worse. THAT is Obamacare.

779 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:26pm

Government programs are primarily successful at extending employment and benefits to their own workers, and that becomes their institutional priority, no matter what their official purview.

780 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:38pm

re: #772 Killgore Trout

Huh, that surprises me. He actually co-hosted the Tea Party coverage on FOX with Glenn Beck and he appears on his show all the time. It wouldn't have surprised to me to find that Penn was a Paulian. I'll keep any eye out for the new episode when it shows up online.

Penn's not going to be down with the troofers, but he does support RP's notions on taxes.

781 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:56:29pm

Wayfarer?

782 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:56:30pm

re: #765 Noam Sayin'

Not to mention... Medicare was supposed to only double in cost by 1990 from $5 billion in the '60s. It's now at $440 billion.

When are you dumb-f*ck liberals going to recognize that your party has been taken over by socialists?

I never saw the conservatives campaign on eliminating medicare, maybe coming in 2010 ?

783 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:56:41pm

re: #773 Cato the Elder

Dibs on sage!

Just give me the oregano, dill, chives, and basil. I am wanting to whip up a batch of dill pickle pesto.

784 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:57:21pm

re: #764 avanti

I have no real problems with Medicare other then the gap insurance I have to pay for. It's the only way most seniors can afford health insurance.

That wasn't my question. My question was has Medicare reduced health care costs? Has it EVER run in the black?

I don't know of any government run programs that cost the amount that they were projected to cost at the time they were implemented. Do you?

I keep hearing from the WH and the congressional Dems that the public plan will reduce health care costs. Can you explain how they're gonna do that?

785 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:57:32pm

re: #774 LudwigVanQuixote

Heh.

786 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:58:17pm

re: #773 Cato the Elder

Dibs on sage!

Dude...I already have it!

:')

787 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:58:24pm

re: #779 jaunte

Government programs are primarily successful at extending employment and benefits to their own workers, and that becomes their institutional priority, no matter what their official purview.

for that you will be ignored

788 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:58:27pm

re: #782 avanti

I never saw the conservatives campaign on eliminating medicare, maybe coming in 2010 ?

Since when has there been a conservative party, really? Democrats and Republicans are what we are stuck with.

789 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:58:50pm

re: #780 Thanos

I just checked my favorite (illegal) site and it's not up yet. Maybe by next week.

790 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:59:37pm

re: #782 avanti

I never saw the conservatives campaign on eliminating medicare, maybe coming in 2010 ?

The R's are not going to eliminate Medicare. That's an old liberal lie that gets trotted out every time. (yawn)

791 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:00:48pm

re: #779 jaunte

Government programs are primarily successful at extending employment and benefits to their own workers, and that becomes their institutional priority, no matter what their official purview.

The US Post Office is talking about cutting back on delivery service and closing selected branches why?

Because keeping the same level of service means they can't fully fund the retirement plan.

792 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:01:26pm

re: #788 FurryOldGuyJeans

Since when has there been a conservative party, really? Democrats and Republicans are what we are stuck with.

To be honest, no party could roll back liberal programs like Social Security or medicare, no matter how conservative they are. It may end up the same way with health care, once we get it, the voters won't let it go.

793 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:01:46pm

re: #790 FrogMarch

The R's are not going to eliminate Medicare. That's an old liberal lie that gets trotted out every time. (yawn)

But to a D cutting a budget is the same as eliminating it.

794 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:01:51pm

re: #549 Wendya

You can keep your old insurance.

BUT, if it's not a "qualified" plan under the Kennedy bill, they will hit you with the same "fee" you would pay if you had no insurance:

[Link: help.senate.gov...] (Page 103)

So, if you have a high deductible plan and enjoy the savings, you'l have to pay a "fee" to keep it.

So yes, you do get to keep your old insurance (until the company is run out of business) but you'll pay the government for the privilege, as will your employer.

Wendya, I'm looking at your link and I can't find that provision on p103 or any of the following pages (I looked at the next several). Do you know the section or line number?

This was not my understanding of what the bill says, but lord knows it's long and convoluted enough. My understanding is that old plans are grandfathered in; every company will from the date going forward have to participate in the HIE.

795 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:01:53pm

re: #782 avanti

I never saw the conservatives campaign on eliminating medicare, maybe coming in 2010 ?

But you did notice the attempt to rescue Social Security - because it's going to go into the red by 2017 - only to be savaged by the Democrats.

Now tell me. Where did I say that conservatives were going to eliminate medicare? Please link to the post in which I stated that.

796 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:03:45pm

re: #790 FrogMarch

The R's are not going to eliminate Medicare. That's an old liberal lie that gets trotted out every time. (yawn)

I was being sarcastic in suggesting they would after hearing it attached to liberals. Point being, if you don't like it why do we still have it ?

797 scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:05:15pm

re: #782 avanti

Eisenhower put the smack down on conservatives trying to eliminate entrenched social programs. It was political suicide then and it's political suicide now. That it's hemorrhaging money isn't relevant to the people that rely on it, and fear even talk of tampering with it in an attempt to fix the system. Eliminating it is such a non-starter.

798 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:06:45pm

re: #796 avanti

I was being sarcastic in suggesting they would after hearing it attached to liberals. Point being, if you don't like it why do we still have it ?

Once we have an unsustainable governmetn program, we are stuck with it.
but why pile on more, when we should first fix what we have.

799 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:07:04pm

re: #795 Noam Sayin'

But you did notice the attempt to rescue Social Security - because it's going to go into the red by 2017 - only to be savaged by the Democrats.

Now tell me. Where did I say that conservatives were going to eliminate medicare? Please link to the post in which I stated that.

You said "Not to mention... Medicare was supposed to only double in cost by 1990 from $5 billion in the '60s. It's now at $440 billion.
When are you dumb-f*ck liberals going to recognize that your party has been taken over by socialists? "

My reply was to suggest if you think Medicare is a socialism program, run against it.

800 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:07:20pm

re: #713 Racer X

Extreme Pool Jump

Wow!

Gotta be fake.

That is a very cool but very fake little film.

Here is why,

Notice that the height of the ramp he came off of was not much lower than the height of his starting point.

Now, energy is conserved.

The maximum kinetic energy that he could have at his launching point was, 1/2 m v^2 = mg(h1-h2) where h1 and h2 are the respective heights of start and finish.

Now do a little thought experiment on that equation. Say h1 = h2.

Then his velocity at the top of the launcing point would be zero.

Imagine a marble in a bowl. If you start it at one side and let it go, it reaches it's maximum speed at the bottom and then comes to zero speed near the top of the other side - before reversing course and going back down. :)

Also note that the base of the fellow's trajectory is neatly hidden behind a rise.

Now whatever was launched from that ramp went some tens of meters - it honestly looked like at least 70 meters to the target.

If you launch from some ten meters off the ground even assuming a maximum angle of 45 degrees, which he did not have, how fast would you need to be going (neglecting friction and air resistance) to fly 70 meters? It's actually pretty fast.

g(h1-h2) must = that speed.

No way.

801 jaunte  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:07:50pm

re: #798 FrogMarch

Once we have an unsustainable governmetn program, we are stuck with it.
but why pile on more, when we should first fix what we have.

Major government discovery: we can tax the future, to avoid hard choices now.

802 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:09:19pm

re: #801 jaunte

Major government discovery: we can tax the future, to avoid hard choices now.

Yes. We can tax the future, and print money. That hasn't fixed any economy around the globe, but maybe we should try it!

803 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:10:06pm

re: #799 avanti

You said "Not to mention... Medicare was supposed to only double in cost by 1990 from $5 billion in the '60s. It's now at $440 billion.
When are you dumb-f*ck liberals going to recognize that your party has been taken over by socialists? "

My reply was to suggest if you think Medicare is a socialism program, run against it.

Too busy running against the whole enchilada. But nice try.

804 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:11:12pm

re: #800 LudwigVanQuixote


Typo

ROOT 2g(h1-h2) must = that speed

805 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:11:34pm

re: #25 EmmmieG

Do you know how disappointed I was when I grew up and discovered that

a. there are no hologram projectors

Well, in fact they exist, even touchable with a kind of feeled feedback.

[Link: hackaday.com...]

or even better look up Heliodisplay.

806 captdiggs  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:13:09pm

This is getting entirely too much play.
Where was the media when 35% of democrats thought Bush knew of 9/11 in advance?
It's equally crazy...if not more so.


Friday, May 04, 2007
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

807 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:14:13pm

re: #793 FurryOldGuyJeans

But to a D cutting a budget is the same as eliminating it.

and a slightly less bad unemployment number = good news!

Seniors defend Medicare plan Obama calls 'wasteful'

808 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:15:13pm

re: #799 avanti

You said "Not to mention... Medicare was supposed to only double in cost by 1990 from $5 billion in the '60s. It's now at $440 billion.
When are you dumb-f*ck liberals going to recognize that your party has been taken over by socialists? "

My reply was to suggest if you think Medicare is a socialism program, run against it.

No. You triangulated your argument into a straw man tactic, and that bullshit doesn't fly on this blog. I applaud your willingness to bring alternative points of view to this forum, but when you bring weak-ass, specious arguments you denigrate OUR (and that means your host, too) credibility.

And I will ask again - where did I say that, "Medicare is a socialism program?" Point it out to me. Link my post.

809 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:20:52pm

re: #745 Sharmuta

Your paranoia is creepy.

These days, Sharm, if you're not paranoid you haven't been paying attention.

810 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:26:41pm

re: #808 Noam Sayin'

No. You triangulated your argument into a straw man tactic, and that bullshit doesn't fly on this blog. I applaud your willingness to bring alternative points of view to this forum, but when you bring weak-ass, specious arguments you denigrate OUR (and that means your host, too) credibility.

And I will ask again - where did I say that, "Medicare is a socialism program?" Point it out to me. Link my post.

Perhaps I misunderstood your post about Medicare where you said
"When are you dumb-f*ck liberals going to recognize that your party has been taken over by socialists? "
Perhaps that was unrelated to the previous paragraph commenting on Medicare and was just a added snark about liberals.

811 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:29:56pm

re: #810 avanti

Exactly. My bad for being a little unclear. I didn't call Medicare a socialist program, though many pundits have. I can see where you might have misunderstood.

812 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:31:45pm

In Germany, the most conservative parties (not counting the banned right-tard NPD and other Nazis) have the word "socialist" or "social" in their names.

You may not like it, but essential features of American society have been socialist for generations.

The epithet has rather lost its punch, if you ask me.

813 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:04:26pm

re: #794 iceweasel

Wendya, I'm looking at your link and I can't find that provision on p103 or any of the following pages (I looked at the next several). Do you know the section or line number?

This was not my understanding of what the bill says, but lord knows it's long and convoluted enough. My understanding is that old plans are grandfathered in; every company will from the date going forward have to participate in the HIE.

Section 161.

‘‘(a) PAYMENT.—
23 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—In the case of any individual who did not have in effect qualifying coverage(as defined in section 3116 of the Public Health Service Act) for any month during the taxable year,
there is hereby imposed for the taxable year, in addition to any other amount imposed by this subtitle, an amount equal to the amount established under paragraph (2).
(2) AMOUNT ESTABLISHED.—
(A) REQUIREMENT TO ESTABLISH.—Not later than June 30 of each calendar year, the Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and with the States, shall establish an amount for purposes of paragraph (1).
‘‘(B) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amount established under subparagraph (A) shall be effective with respect to the taxable year following the date on which the amount under subparagraph (A) is established.
‘‘(C) REQUIRED CONSIDERATION.—In establishing the amount under subparagraph (A), the Secretary shall seek to establish the minimum practicable amount that can accomplish the goal of enhancing participation in qualifying coverage (as so defined).

In short, if your current insurance doesn't meet the still to be determined "qualifying standards" and many won't, you will be fined by the government if you choose to keep it.

814 Altermite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:16:40pm

re: #765 Noam Sayin'

815 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:30:38pm

Why worry about the nirthers. According to Obama, the War on Terror is over!

Now they just have to change the military medal names.

[Link: www.blackfive.net...]

MSNBC Video

Its now the Focus on Root Economic And Social Causes.

[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]
Whatever.
Maybe they should send the 75th Poli-Sci Department into the Stan and see how they do. [Link: polisci.berkeley.edu...]
Why carry M16's and SAWs when you can get
PoliSci Summer Course Added:"Transitions to Democracy" text books to carry?

816 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:38:27pm

re: #815 hous bin pharteen

According to Obama, the War on Terror is over!

Now they just have to change the military medal names.


Did we win or lose?

I guess they'll just fall back to the overseas service ribbons in place of the GWOT medals.

817 Altermite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:44:07pm

Since I'm not retyping that, I'll just say that the FR thread is a hoot. Some of them are scrambling around trying to deny that they got punked, some are trying to put together a big-ass fraud lawsuit to the guy who punked them, and the smart ones are feeling really red and might be looking for another site in a little bit.

818 efuseakay  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:46:40pm

LOL WND is still at it:

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

I did a tiny so as to not give them any hits from here.

819 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:52:32pm

re: #813 Wendya


In short, if your current insurance doesn't meet the still to be determined "qualifying standards" and many won't, you will be fined by the government if you choose to keep it.

Thanks for posting this Wendya. I think it's referring to the penalties imposed on people who don't have any insurance and don't enroll in any plan, but I'm not sure. I'll have a look at it again later and get back to you, I promise.

820 Wendya  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:06:56pm

re: #819 iceweasel

Thanks for posting this Wendya. I think it's referring to the penalties imposed on people who don't have any insurance and don't enroll in any plan, but I'm not sure. I'll have a look at it again later and get back to you, I promise.

The key words are "qualifying plan". In order to escape the fine, your insurance has to meet HHS minimum standards for deductibles, mandatory coverage, etc...

821 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:38:45pm

re: #813 Wendya

Section 161.

‘‘(a) PAYMENT.—
23 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—In the case of any individual who did not have in effect qualifying coverage(as defined in section 3116 of the Public Health Service Act) for any month during the taxable year,
there is hereby imposed for the taxable year, in addition to any other amount imposed by this subtitle, an amount equal to the amount established under paragraph (2).
(2) AMOUNT ESTABLISHED.—
(A) REQUIREMENT TO ESTABLISH.—Not later than June 30 of each calendar year, the Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and with the States, shall establish an amount for purposes of paragraph (1).
‘‘(B) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amount established under subparagraph (A) shall be effective with respect to the taxable year following the date on which the amount under subparagraph (A) is established.
‘‘(C) REQUIRED CONSIDERATION.—In establishing the amount under subparagraph (A), the Secretary shall seek to establish the minimum practicable amount that can accomplish the goal of enhancing participation in qualifying coverage (as so defined).

In short, if your current insurance doesn't meet the still to be determined "qualifying standards" and many won't, you will be fined by the government if you choose to keep it.

You are hereby informed that your post has been submitted to eFink as it meets the clear standard of "fishy".

/

822 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Aug 7, 2009 4:09:59am

re: #820 Wendya

The key words are "qualifying plan". In order to escape the fine, your insurance has to meet HHS minimum standards for deductibles, mandatory coverage, etc...

Hey Wendya-- sorry, just saw this. I think there are two things going on here-- actually 3:
1) there will be a fine assessed yearly on individuals who do not enroll in any health care plan (to prevent gaming of the system, where someone doesn't opt in until they're sick or injured.)
2) There will be some minimum standards like the ones you mention, for insurance companies plans.
3) all companies would have to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange, for all policies for new enrollees after a certain date.

I don't believe, from my reading of the bill, that any kind of charge is passed on to consumers who are in a plan already. Also, as far as I can tell there will be no changes to your insurance if you already have insurance-- old plans are grandfathered in.

I'll have to go back to the original bill and read those sections again, but for now I'll just note this : you're right about qualifying coverage being the important phrase-- but note that it says "as defined in sec 3116 of the Public Health Services act"-- that's from 1978. Here's a link to it.

It's about preventive care, like having to do with smoking, funding exercise awareness programs, and the like.

Looking also at the second bit you bolded: "the Secretary shall seek to establish the minimum practicable amount that can accomplish the goal of enhancing participation in qualifying coverage (as so defined)." -- my reading here is that they're talking about ensuring funding for those programs and enhancing participation in those programs-- not penalizing individuals who are in plans that don't cover such things.

I have to go back and reread those sections of the original bill again to be sure, though, and I'll do that as soon as I can. Favourited your posts on this, thanks.


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