Snow Leopard Installed

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Took the plunge and installed the latest version of Mac OS X, Snow Leopard, and it went off without a hitch. I had to upgrade three utilities to the latest versions: Snapz Pro X, Default Folder X, and Little Snitch. Apart from that, everything seems to be working beautifully.

Yes, I definitely do notice a speed improvement in many functions. And my startup drive is reporting more than 20G of freed-up space after the installation, which is pretty amazing.

The optimization of Snow Leopard is actually audible. My Mac Pro desktop machine has a fan that changes its speed based on how hard the processor is working; when you launch an application that drives the CPU harder, the fan speeds up and gets louder. But with Snow Leopard installed, it is very noticeably quieter, which means the hamsters in there are working much less.

The whole upgrade process took about an hour, with another 15 minutes to upgrade the Apple Mail database the first time I launched it. All in all, a very smooth and painless upgrade. I highly recommend it to all Intel Mac users (it requires an Intel CPU).

Here’s a helpful Wiki page if you want to check to see if a particular application will work: Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard Compatibility List.

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311 comments
1 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:42:44pm

Hardcore system, that Snow-leopard.

2 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:43:31pm
which means the hamsters in there are working much less.

Hooray for well rested hamsters!

3 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:44:27pm

I'm sticking with Windows XP. Have not yet decided to come over from the Dark Side.

4 SecondComing  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:44:44pm

It's worth the $29 bucks alone for freeing up as many GB as it does. Can't wait to install it. I'll get a copy pretty soon.

5 JCM  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:45:03pm

Big Snow Leopard is still Ripping Off my SATA 3.0!

6 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:45:22pm

Ya, but can you work a VCR?
/ I really need to get with the times.

7 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:46:08pm

"Little Snitch" ?!?!
OMG, Charles, so THAT's how you keep track of us!

/haven't a clue what it is, but I'm sure we're doomed !

8 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:46:27pm

I installed Snow Leopard on my iMac yesterday. I had backed up my data before, just in case. No need. Data and all installed programs were still there.

9 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:46:27pm

I upgraded my abacus with new soft beads. It is much quieter now.

10 Kragar  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:46:42pm

Deploying drop pods to establish a beach-head before those filthy heretics Kosh and Kirk show up from the last thread.

11 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:47:04pm

re: #9 DaddyG

I upgraded my abacus with new soft beads. It is much quieter now.

LOL

12 JamesTKirk  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:47:15pm

re: #7 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Little Snitch" ?!?!

It's a quidditch thing.

13 KenJen  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:48:03pm

I hope this doesn't mean a massive hamster lay-off.

14 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:48:36pm

re: #13 KenJen

I hope this doesn't mean a massive hamster lay-off.

All those idle little cages. I think I'll cry.

15 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:48:46pm

re: #13 KenJen

I hope this doesn't mean a massive hamster lay-off.

Obama will give them a bailout.

16 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:49:18pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Deploying drop pods to establish a beach-head before those filthy heretics Kosh and Kirk show up from the last thread.

Too late.

17 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:49:53pm

re: #5 JCM

Big Snow Leopard is still Ripping Off my SATA 3.0!

Didn't you read that claws in the Snow Leopard User Agreement?

18 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:50:15pm

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

Obama will give them a bailout.

Free habitrail for all

19 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:50:22pm

Charles, have you tried Parallels yet? Another lizard reported it is slow.
(Running Parallels 4, and it can get slow some times; I find if I suspend and restart it, performance is really bad; I have to start it fresh each time.)

20 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:50:28pm

"Close to the western summit there is the dried and frozen carcass of a Snow Leopard. No one has explained what the Snow Leopard was seeking at that altitude."

Ernest Hemingway, "The Snow Leopard of Kilimanjaro... For Dummies"

21 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:50:33pm

re: #12 JamesTKirk

It's a quidditch thing.

Muggles...

22 Kragar  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:51:36pm

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow

Too late...for you

/cue dramatic crescendo

23 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:52:03pm

Ice Kittahs!

24 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:52:27pm

re: #20 Occasional Reader

"Close to the western summit there is the dried and frozen carcass of a Snow Leopard. No one has explained what the Snow Leopard was seeking at that altitude."

Ernest Hemingway, "The Snow Leopard of Kilimanjaro... For Dummies"

Too fur from its natural habitat?

25 hebrewtoyou  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:52:49pm

Charles, I upgrade on Friday and have been less-than-impressed. I upgraded my 24" iMac (2.8 GHz, 4 GB SDRAM) and did a HD-wipe install on my MacBook and both machines actually feel slower as compared to 10.5. My personal opinion is that this upgrade is not worthwhile. That said, the low cost of the upgrade does redeem it somewhat.

One thing I'm very upset about is the apparent downgrade to QuickTime. I previously used QuickTime 7 Pro to take frame-grabs of videos my company produced. No longer does that appear to be an option within QuickTime export.

A once incredibly powerful app has been nerfed with this update. Lame.

26 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:53:21pm
Yes, I definitely do notice a speed improvement

Faster, Snow Pussycat! Kill! Kill!

27 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:53:47pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

Muggles...

Better watch out for the Dementors. I am told that they will suck the life right out of you.

28 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:54:18pm

re: #27 Erik The Red

Better watch out for the Dementors. I am told that they will suck the life right out of you.

Practice your Patronus and keep chocolate with you at all times.

29 SecondComing  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:54:26pm

re: #7 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"Little Snitch" ?!?!
OMG, Charles, so THAT's how you keep track of us!

/haven't a clue what it is, but I'm sure we're doomed !

It's a program that alerts you when other programs are trying to dial home. I had it for awhile but it always popped up and drove me crazy with legit reasons for what it was doing. I'm sure I didn't have some setting right but it just drove me nuts.

30 JCM  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:54:44pm

re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Didn't you read that claws in the Snow Leopard User Agreement?

Ahh, the tail that binds!

31 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:54:57pm

re: #26 Occasional Reader

Faster, Snow Pussycat! Kill! Kill!


Youtube Video
32 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:55:15pm

re: #28 Kosh's Shadow

Practice your Patronus and keep chocolate with you at all times.

I think my patronus would be a big block of chocolate, so, y'know, two-fer.

33 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:55:34pm

re: #17 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Didn't you read that claws in the Snow Leopard User Agreement?

No, he didn't spot that.

34 molding_perception  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:55:57pm

The reduced space is primarily from Apple removing all the previous Java JRE and only running 1.6

35 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:56:17pm

I've had one issue with the update: the Directory Utility in the Utilities folder seems to be gone. Odd. I didn't think that Snow Leopard changed its AD integration at all.

36 researchok  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:56:32pm

Reading Charles' post reaffirms my religious conviction as well as my certainty with evolution.

I haven't a clue about anything he said- but clearly, LGF goes on ever evolving and ever improving. I can't always see it, don't always understand it but I know it's there and it's real.

Commence firing now.

37 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:56:37pm

re: #19 Kosh's Shadow

Charles, have you tried Parallels yet? Another lizard reported it is slow.
(Running Parallels 4, and it can get slow some times; I find if I suspend and restart it, performance is really bad; I have to start it fresh each time.)

I use VMWare Fusion, and it works fine.

38 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:57:31pm

re: #37 Charles

I use VMWare Fusion, and it works fine.

I would have to concur that Parallels 4 is slightly slower, but then I had to install updates and it took a few times before I got the toolkit installed.

39 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:58:02pm

Oh: DON'T try to hook up iCal to an Exchange Server 2003 version. I tried that today and lost my entire calendar.

/thank G-d for backups

40 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:58:32pm

re: #33 Occasional Reader

No, he didn't spot that.

(But he only missed it by a whisker)

41 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:58:41pm

re: #33 Occasional Reader

No, he didn't spot that.

Are you fur sure?

42 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:59:05pm

re: #37 Charles

I use VMWare Fusion, and it works fine.

Thanks. I already own Parallels, and don't have that much disk space on the laptop for other VM software.
I'll see what the consensus is before upgrading, although the disk space does sound like an improvement.

43 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 1:59:40pm

re: #42 Kosh's Shadow

Thanks. I already own Parallels, and don't have that much disk space on the laptop for other VM software.
I'll see what the consensus is before upgrading, although the disk space does sound like an improvement.

Alas, I have Parallels 3 at home, which won't work with Snow. Pffth.

44 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:01:15pm

re: #38 vxbush

I would have to concur that Parallels 4 is slightly slower, but then I had to install updates and it took a few times before I got the toolkit installed.

I might wait until they come out with an upgrade. For some reason, I find Parallels 4 fast the first time it is run, but if I suspend or shut down the VM and don't exit Parallels, it starts out slow, although it eventually speeds up.
(Macbook Pro, 4 GB RAM)

45 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:02:10pm

re: #41 MandyManners

Are you fur sure?

The next major Apple OS software release will of course be "Lion". But it will only work on mane-frames.

46 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:02:10pm

re: #43 vxbush

Alas, I have Parallels 3 at home, which won't work with Snow. Pffth.

I thought 4 was worth it, but then I got it when they were offering the 1/2 price upgrade.
And the big improvement for me is that 4 supports recent versions of Fedora.

47 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:02:14pm

re: #35 vxbush

I've had one issue with the update: the Directory Utility in the Utilities folder seems to be gone. Odd. I didn't think that Snow Leopard changed its AD integration at all.

FYI: Integration with AD is now handled via System Preferences > Accounts. Click the Login Items button, and you'll now see if there's a Network Account Server. The Directory Utility is still there, but it's been moved to the Core Services folder in the System Folder.

48 JCM  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:03:05pm

re: #19 Kosh's Shadow

Charles, have you tried Parallels yet? Another lizard reported it is slow.
(Running Parallels 4, and it can get slow some times; I find if I suspend and restart it, performance is really bad; I have to start it fresh each time.)

I haven't been too happy with Parallels running Vista.

The emulation layer bogs the graphics down for Vista, and it's a GPU hog.
Network connections are difficult to manage, Vista seems to have wireless issues anyway.
Other connectivity, USB etc... is flaky.

When I need Windows I reboot using Boot Camp.

49 LGoPs  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:03:28pm

My system is not being jerky anymore. Hopefully that's a function of the new load.

50 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:03:47pm

re: #29 SecondComing

It's a program that alerts you when other programs are trying to dial home. I had it for awhile but it always popped up and drove me crazy with legit reasons for what it was doing. I'm sure I didn't have some setting right but it just drove me nuts.

Ah ha! Thanks.

Re that kind of behavoir, I switched from Norton to ESET Anti-Virus several weeks ago. While I'm happy as a clam with ESET, it drove me crazy at first. I've got a zillion self-written macros in my Word templates (absolutely safe). Every time I opened up a Word doc, ESET arbitrarily stripped out my macros. Setting up the "ignore" list was something of a pain, and I had to call their tech support to find out how to get it done.

/other than that, I love it.

51 SecondComing  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:04:31pm

re: #37 Charles

I use VMWare Fusion, and it works fine.

Awesome, that's what I use and was hesitant to install it for fear it might screw with it. You don't happen to use Roxio's Toast do you?

52 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:05:01pm

Okay, random rant, (I hope you will all indulge me):

When I took my daughter in to register her for high school, I noticed that Wednesdays the schedule was different. The schedule started a half-hour early, with a fifty minute period called "Academic Seminar" first.

I thought it was probably homeroom type stuff, but maybe they might sneak something valuable in there from time to time. I had been out of the public school system for a while, so I had forgotten that...

A few years ago the teacher's union had negotiated that once a week, the kids would be sent home a half-hour early, or brought in late, and it was supposed to be teacher prep.

In other words, it's late arrival. This became clear when the bus schedule arrived.

I'm not so upset about the fact that the teacher's union would deliberately bargain to take a half-hour away from instruction (while sending home notes imploring us to have our kids there on time so as not to miss instruction time). I'm upset that they would give it such a blatantly Orwellian name.

It's not Academic. There is nothing academic about letting kids sleep in. It's not a Seminar. Nobody's meeting anywhere. I have it on good authority from a teacher's aide in the grade school that the teachers go home early. (Yes, they could be doing prep elsewhere, but that's not the point.) The name is a complete lie.*

Call it late arrival. Call it teacher's prep. Call it All-powerful-NEA time. Just be honest.

*I am currently eating bean-fruit-dairy-grain snack. In other words, chocolate chocolate muffin with strawberries and whip cream. What's in a name?

53 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:05:15pm

Something that's really stupid, but I have to say I like it: When you have Spaces on and transition between windows, the little white box representing your desktop slides between the black boxes representing the virtual desktops. It doesn't just jump anymore.

Silly, but I like it.

54 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:05:16pm

re: #45 Occasional Reader

The next major Apple OS software release will of course be "Lion". But it will only work on mane-frames.

Lynx?

55 tradewind  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:05:55pm

Oh goody... I will wait for a few days until you have had it and told us all about it. I'm kind of scared to install it until I hear... I just recovered from the trauma of my iphone not syncing until they put out an explanation re the voice memos after the 8.1 update.

56 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:06:41pm

re: #54 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Lynx?

I have none. I guess I'm kind of a cheetah when it comes to this game.

57 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:06:45pm

Has anyone tried to open Office 2008 apps? Excel and Word seem to open a tad slower.

58 tradewind  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:06:58pm

re: #54 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Lynx

?
That would be Cheetah-ing.

59 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:07:26pm

re: #53 vxbush

Something that's really stupid, but I have to say I like it: When you have Spaces on and transition between windows, the little white box representing your desktop slides between the black boxes representing the virtual desktops. It doesn't just jump anymore.

Silly, but I like it.


Does it just slide, or do the electric slide?

Youtube Video
60 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:08:01pm

re: #59 Emmmieg

Does it just slide, or do the electric slide?


[Video]

No music, so it must be the former. Of course, I'm sure someone could hack that...

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:08:14pm

re: #56 Occasional Reader

I have none. I guess I'm kind of a cheetah when it comes to this game.

Now that we know that, we'll be kicking your ocelot.

62 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:08:41pm

re: #58 tradewind

?
That would be Cheetah-ing.

I beat you. You know, sometimes your posts are right on time, and sometimes they're late. You seem to ocelot between the two.

63 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:09:01pm

re: #56 Occasional Reader

I have none. I guess I'm kind of a cheetah when it comes to this game.

You have an ocelot of puns today.

64 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:09:04pm

LGF is getting a lot of traffic from a gun site called AR 15


I think I'm going to slowly back away from this guy.


Be careful, now the left is going to claim that if you supported this guy when he open carried, and you knew nothing other than he OC'ed, that you now support the death of Obama.


Most of the gun owners agree.

65 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:09:10pm

re: #3 Alouette

I'm sticking with Windows XP. Have not yet decided to come over from the Dark Side.

Hold firm to your goodness Alouette and resist these evil macantosh urges. Windows 7 is the only sensible choice!

You do want to be sensible, don'cha?

66 JCM  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:09:13pm

re: #54 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Lynx?

Lynx is vaporware.

67 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:09:52pm

Time to say goodnight, Lizard Clan...and Beware the Vampire Monkey!

68 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:10:08pm

re: #63 MandyManners

You have an ocelot of puns today.

We are Margay than usual.

69 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:10:40pm

re: #61 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Now that we know that, we'll be kicking your ocelot.

Oh, I suppose that threat is supposed to make me all docile and serval, is it?

70 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:11:12pm

re: #65 Bagua

Hold firm to your goodness Alouette and resist these evil macantosh urges. Windows 7 is the only sensible choice!

You do want to be sensible, don'cha?

I have a Win7 machine running, and while it does look a bit more sensible than Vista, it just doesn't cut it for me. I'll be honest; I wish there were more new goodies in Snow Leopard, but it's a better fit for the way I work and think.

71 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:11:19pm

re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We are Margay than usual.

That's a purrfect pun.

72 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:11:41pm

re: #66 JCM

Lynx is vaporware.

*grin*
I remember that!

73 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:11:48pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

LGF is getting a lot of traffic from a gun site called AR 15


Most of the gun owners agree.

AR15.COM:

Charles Johnson can eat a dick.

They seem like a fun bunch.

74 KenJen  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:12:12pm

re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We are Margay than usual.

That doesn't manx much sense.

75 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:12:24pm

re: #48 JCM

I haven't been too happy with Parallels running Vista.

The emulation layer bogs the graphics down for Vista, and it's a GPU hog.
Network connections are difficult to manage, Vista seems to have wireless issues anyway.
Other connectivity, USB etc... is flaky.

When I need Windows I reboot using Boot Camp.

I've been running XP and it works fine.
I'll probably skip Vista on the Mac.
And I will need some form of Windows, so I hope Windows 7 works well.

76 The Shadow Do  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:12:59pm
But with Snow Leopard installed, it is very noticeably quieter, which means the hamsters in there are working much less.

With the increased productivity, the smart thing to do is to reduce your head count, Charles, or perhaps cut some benefits costs by making them part time?
/mean and greedy Republican speak

77 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:13:10pm

re: #74 KenJen

That doesn't manx much sense.

But ocelot of them on store shelves, so they must be popular.

78 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:13:41pm

re: #70 vxbush

I have a Win7 machine running, and while it does look a bit more sensible than Vista, it just doesn't cut it for me. I'll be honest; I wish there were more new goodies in Snow Leopard, but it's a better fit for the way I work and think.

Yes I agree, Windows 7 is the better OS.

79 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:13:42pm

re: #73 Charles

There were a few dissenters but most of them seemed to recognize that the Arizona gun freak was going to be a source of bad publicity.
Another gun forum discussing the lgf article here. Mixed opinions.

80 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:13:44pm

re: #75 Kosh's Shadow

I've been running XP and it works fine.
I'll probably skip Vista on the Mac.
And I will need some form of Windows, so I hope Windows 7 works well.

I haven't taken the leap to try and run Win7 on my Mac yet. Lab stuff has to be tested first, so that requires evaluation on a machine identical to the lab. Maybe after that fun is over, I'll try it...

81 Kragar  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:14:13pm

re: #73 Charles

They seem like a fun bunch.

Apparently, they think you like British cuisine.

/

82 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:14:18pm

re: #71 MandyManners

That's a purrfect pun.

Careful, Mandy... you have to watch dis'temper of yours.

83 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:14:18pm

re: #78 Bagua

Yes I agree, Windows 7 is the better OS.

Heh. No twisting my words, please. I mean I prefer the Mac side.

84 tradewind  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:14:18pm

Little snitch... you gotta love the graphic...

[Link: www.obdev.at...]

85 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:14:38pm

re: #73 Charles

Well, since they are making culinary suggestions, you could reciprocate by advising them to dine on their weapons.

86 JCM  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:14:50pm

re: #73 Charles

They seem like a fun bunch.

.223 is for weenies!

7.62x51 NATO!

* No offense to Lizards who shot .223 ;-P *

87 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:15:48pm

re: #69 Occasional Reader

Oh, I suppose that threat is supposed to make me all docile and serval, is it?

I certainly hope so.
You've Bengal-ling us recently.

88 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:16:26pm

re: #86 JCM

.

223 is for weenies!

7.62x51 NATO!

Well, I guess... I mean, if you're too delicate to handle a 12 gauge, I suppose 7.62 is okay.

/

89 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:16:34pm

re: #82 Occasional Reader

Careful, Mandy... you have to watch dis'temper of yours.

Be careful yourself, OR.
You might get hairballs in an uproar.

90 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:16:40pm

re: #83 vxbush

Heh. No twisting my words, please. I mean I prefer the Mac side.

Sacrilege! Do you also eat puppies?

91 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:16:59pm

And just in case people need such a list:

List of apps and their compatibility with Snow Leopard

Not perfect, but a good start.

92 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:17:25pm

re: #90 Bagua

Sacrilege! Do you also eat puppies?

Hey, I just lick them! I figure, fair is fair; I got tired of getting licked.

93 KenJen  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:17:53pm

re: #87 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I certainly hope so.
You've Bengal-ling us recently.

I can see he's up to something. He can't hide his lion eyes.

94 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:18:03pm

re: #86 JCM

.223 is for weenies!

7.62x51 NATO!

* No offense to Lizards who shot .223 ;-P *

I prefer .45. But that is just me :)))

95 acwgusa  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:18:42pm

/Looks at his lonely G4 Mac Mini running Leopard.

Buddy, I think you're going to get an Intel Fraternal Twin soon.

Damn computer, they proliferate like bunnies!

96 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:18:50pm

Confederate Yankee linked to the Gun Stunt post too, and several of his commenters proceeded to spew venom at me.

97 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:19:17pm

re: #95 acwgusa

/Looks at his lonely G4 Mac Mini running Leopard.

Buddy, I think you're going to get an Intel Fraternal Twin soon.

Damn computer, they proliferate like bunnies!

Yeah, we've got an old G4 at home that is stuck at Leopard. I may have to do something about that soon.

98 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:20:27pm

re: #96 Charles

Confederate Yankee linked to the Gun Stunt post too, and several of his commenters proceeded to spew venom at me.

Why, just today I had lunch seated at a table next to two nice, shiny liberals, who were dismissing everyone who opposes ObamaCare: "They're a bunch of nuts who show up at these meetings with guns!"

NICE JOB, IDIOTS.

99 JCM  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:20:51pm

re: #88 Occasional Reader

re: #94 Erik The Red

It's all about range...

/;-P

100 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:21:34pm

re: #91 vxbush

And just in case people need such a list:

List of apps and their compatibility with Snow Leopard

Not perfect, but a good start.

Ha! So you admit that all the good programs don't run on the new Mac OS,
notice that "Air traffic Control" gets a red X, great, don't you care about air safety?

101 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:21:54pm

re: #65 Bagua

Hold firm to your goodness Alouette and resist these evil macantosh urges. Windows 7 is the only sensible choice!

You do want to be sensible, don'cha?

I tried Vista, and hated, hated, HATED it! I have 2 XP desktops, 1 XP laptop (my travel machine) and a Vista laptop which runs like crap.

I heard that there is no direct upgrade to Win 7 from XP. I may try it out on the Vista machine first and if that works out, may think about migrating my XP systems.

102 idioma  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:22:14pm

Upgraded two Macbooks this weekend. The fans spin less too. Much cooler on my lap.

103 Shug  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:22:15pm

Glenn Beck might be nuts but his program is the only place on TV where you can see a Van Jones clip.
I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to this story but after watching his recent clips, I'm amazed that this man has anything to do with the Federal Government, and that the major media isn't at least asking the president about this radical. or maybe they know and approve of his radical racist statements.

104 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:22:26pm

re: #97 vxbush

Yeah, we've got an old G4 at home

The G4 is nice, but I prefer the G3, in the aforementioned 7.62/51mm NATO.

/now I'm getting confused

105 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:22:34pm

re: #100 Bagua

Ha! So you admit that all the good programs don't run on the new Mac OS,
notice that "Air traffic Control" gets a red X, great, don't you care about air safety?

Sarc Tags "R" Us.

/

106 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:22:39pm

re: #91 vxbush

And just in case people need such a list:

List of apps and their compatibility with Snow Leopard

Not perfect, but a good start.

For the Mac ignorant... what is "Rosetta"? Some sort of compatibility layer for Windows apps?

107 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:23:05pm

re: #102 idioma

Upgraded two Macbooks this weekend. The fans spin less too. Much cooler on my lap.

Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?

/

108 fizzlogic  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:23:33pm

I've been using smcFanControl on my MacPro. I didn't think to disable it to see if the machine cools itself better. It's good to know Apple thought about it.

I've been meaning to buy LittleSnitch for a long time. I just haven't got around to it.

I've notice Aperture seems to run faster on SL. And even Finder opens directories a lot faster. I love the new scrollable stacks--and that you can browse down a directory tree within the stack.

What programs do you use to code? Coda, Textmate, BBEdit, Dreamweaver? Do you use MAMP?

109 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:23:47pm

re: #101 Alouette

Actually, there apparently is a direct upgrade version from XP.

110 acwgusa  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:23:50pm

re: #97 vxbush

Yeah, we've got an old G4 at home that is stuck at Leopard. I may have to do something about that soon.

At least the MAC's have learned to play nice with the Vista PC's in the house.

/Vista PC's are next. They're due for the Windows 7 upgrade.
/Gigabit House network next!
/Gah, pulling network cable.

111 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:23:51pm

re: #96 Charles

Confederate Yankee linked to the Gun Stunt post too, and several of his commenters proceeded to spew venom at me.

I've begun wondering if (in some eyes at least) the Second Amendment itself has become more important, more sacred, than the Republic which it was written to preserve.

112 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:24:13pm

re: #106 eschew_obfuscation

For the Mac ignorant... what is "Rosetta"? Some sort of compatibility layer for Windows apps?

It's a compatibility layer for the old applications that used to run on the PowerPC platform, which is what Macs were before they moved to Intel.

More information is here.

113 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:24:23pm

re: #105 vxbush

Sarc Tags "R" Us.

/

Didn't think it necessary. :)

//

114 KenJen  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:24:48pm

I just heard Obama on the radio. He told me to wash my hands and cough into my sleeve again.

115 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:25:08pm

re: #110 acwgusa

At least the MAC's have learned to play nice with the Vista PC's in the house.

/Vista PC's are next. They're due for the Windows 7 upgrade.
/Gigabit House network next!
/Gah, pulling network cable.

I'll pay you to run cable at my house. In chocolate. That's the best form of currency possible.

116 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:25:25pm

re: #114 KenJen

I just heard Obama on the radio. He told me to wash my hands and cough into my sleeve again.

And if you feel feverish, check your tire pressure.


/something like that

117 Izzyboy  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:25:28pm

Hey all, first post and I have to hijack this Mac thread by asking if any of you are trying out Windows 7 and how does it compare to Vista?

118 JCM  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:25:43pm

re: #106 eschew_obfuscation

For the Mac ignorant... what is "Rosetta"? Some sort of compatibility layer for Windows apps?

Rosetta is a translator for apps compiled for Motorola (G4-G5) Macs so they can run on Intel Macs.

119 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:25:49pm

re: #114 KenJen

I just heard Obama on the radio. He told me to wash my hands and cough into my sleeve again.

My sister saw a great T-shirt last week at a coffee shop:

Turn and Coffee.

120 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:25:56pm

re: #111 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I've begun wondering if (in some eyes at least) the Second Amendment itself has become more important, more sacred, than the Republic which it was written to preserve.

I would have to think "yes", considering some have a notion to replace the republic with a gross distortion of history.

121 acwgusa  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:26:06pm

re: #115 vxbush

I'll pay you to run cable at my house. In chocolate. That's the best form of currency possible.

I thought I was safe when I finished running Cat 5 cable. Then Cat 5e came out. Then Cat 6. I'm going to upgrade to Dog1.

122 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:26:12pm

re: #113 Bagua

Didn't think it necessary. :)

//

Wasn't; but that was the best I could come up with in the four minutes I have left at work.

123 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:26:17pm

re: #104 Occasional Reader

The G4 is nice, but I prefer the G3, in the aforementioned 7.62/51mm NATO.

/now I'm getting confused

I'm partial the G4, but it takes a lot of fuel.

124 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:26:49pm

re: #103 Shug

I do agree that there are things that wind up on Beck's show that SHOULD be getting more attention, mixed in with all his hysterical windbaggery.

125 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:27:04pm

re: #86 JCM

.223 is for weenies!

7.62x51 NATO!

* No offense to Lizards who shot .223 ;-P *

7.62 x 54. When you really want to put someone down.

126 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:27:16pm

re: #117 Izzyboy

Hey all, first post and I have to hijack this Mac thread by asking if any of you are trying out Windows 7 and how does it compare to Vista?

Welcome to the forum, it's good to have some-one sensible and smart for a change.

/Win7

127 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:27:19pm

re: #115 vxbush

I'll pay you to run cable at my house. In chocolate. That's the best form of currency possible.

I'll pay him (in chocolate) too.
Should we go Dutch?

128 KenJen  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:27:56pm

re: #119 vxbush

My sister saw a great T-shirt last week at a coffee shop:

Turn and Coffee.

Saw a bumper sticker that said "Guns don't kill people, viruses kill people so wash your f*cking hands".

129 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:28:03pm

re: #127 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'll pay him (in chocolate) too.
Should we go Dutch?

But I have no wooden shoes.

130 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:28:04pm

re: #112 vxbush

It's a compatibility layer for the old applications that used to run on the PowerPC platform, which is what Macs were before they moved to Intel.

More information is here.

Ahhh... thanks!

131 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:28:10pm

re: #82 Occasional Reader

Careful, Mandy... you have to watch dis'temper of yours.

Not I. I'm just a big

oh forget it.

132 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:28:16pm

re: #122 vxbush

Wasn't; but that was the best I could come up with in the four minutes I have left at work.

I see you are skiving at work, oh the sins of the Mac users exposed!

/Windows 7 makes workers more productive

133 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:28:29pm

Gotta go; much to do at home. Later!

134 Izzyboy  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:28:41pm

re: #126 Bagua

Welcome to the forum, it's good to have some-one sensible and smart for a change.

/Win7

Hehe thanks. :p

135 vxbush  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:28:45pm

re: #132 Bagua

I see you are skiving at work, oh the sins of the Mac users exposed!

/Windows 7 makes workers more productive

Right, which is why you're posting, too...

*whistles*

136 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:28:54pm

re: #120 Sharmuta

I would have to think "yes", considering some have a notion to replace the republic with a gross distortion of history.

And a distortion which seems, IMHO, to be grounded in nothing more than their own personal desires.

137 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:29:19pm

re: #125 calcajun

7.62 x 54. When you really want to put someone down.

Samuel L. Jackson from Jackie Brown: "The AK-47... for when you absolutely, positively have to kill every motherf***r in the room."

138 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:29:27pm

re: #135 vxbush

Right, which is why you're posting, too...

*whistles*

Shhh!

139 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:29:40pm

re: #127 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'll pay him (in chocolate) too.
Should we go Dutch?

Not if you get him liquored up (too much Food Network)

140 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:29:47pm

re: #114 KenJen

I just heard Obama on the radio. He told me to wash my hands and cough into my sleeve again.

What's next? A Snot Czar?

141 JCM  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:30:30pm

re: #131 MandyManners

Mandy, has the kid been refining the manly art of peeing off the deck?

*ducks*

142 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:30:46pm

re: #117 Izzyboy

Hey all, first post and I have to hijack this Mac thread by asking if any of you are trying out Windows 7 and how does it compare to Vista?


WELCOME!

143 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:30:49pm

re: #140 MandyManners

What's next? A Snot Czar?

The was "A Snot in the Dark"

Well, what do you expectorate?

144 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:30:51pm

re: #125 calcajun

7.62 x 54. When you really want to put someone down.

There was a Future Weapons where he showed a .50 sniper rifle.
"This weapon can say 'hello' to you a mile and a half away"
Funny, I thought it should be:
"This weapon can say 'goodbye' to you a mile and a half away"

145 KenJen  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:31:04pm

re: #140 MandyManners

What's next? A Snot Czar?

Phlegm czar!

146 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:31:20pm

re: #140 MandyManners

What's next? A Snot Czar?

...named "Achmed" ... "A", "c", PHLEGM! ...

147 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:31:22pm

re: #140 MandyManners

What's next? A Snot Czar?

Oh, enough with the scare tactics! That's just a right-wing boogerman.

148 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:31:27pm

re: #129 vxbush

But I have no wooden shoes.

Sorry.
I was hoping I was tilting at windmills.

/oops, the metaphor's actually Spanish -- oh well, forget it.

149 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:31:31pm

re: #141 JCM

Mandy, has the kid been refining the manly art of peeing off the deck?

*ducks*

That is for beginners...it's when you can write your entire name in the snow, that's when you have reached manhood levels

150 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:31:49pm

re: #137 Occasional Reader

Samuel L. Jackson from Jackie Brown: "The AK-47... for when you absolutely, positively have to kill every motherf***r in the room."

I thought that was what grenades were for.
Oh, I guess if you actually want to keep the room relatively intact...

151 Izzyboy  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:32:07pm

re: #142 MandyManners

WELCOME!

Thank you Mandy

152 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:32:09pm

re: #136 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And a distortion which seems, IMHO, to be grounded in nothing more than their own personal desires prejudices.

Might be more encompassing to the various factions involved in similar but slightly different fantasies.

153 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:32:11pm

re: #144 Kosh's Shadow

You really never hear it-- the round hits you before the sound.

154 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:32:29pm

re: #141 JCM

Mandy, has the kid been refining the manly art of peeing off the deck?

*ducks*

I look forward to winter for that reason only.

155 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:33:03pm

re: #143 calcajun

The was "A Snot in the Dark"

Well, what do you expectorate?

Oh, hack off.

156 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:33:13pm

re: #154 MandyManners

I look forward to winter for that reason only.

Make sure he doesn't leave anything on the deck--yellow snow.

157 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:33:37pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Oh, hack off.

You're usually more phlegmatic.

158 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:33:40pm

re: #145 KenJen

Phlegm czar!

A real Walloon.

159 JCM  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:34:10pm

re: #137 Occasional Reader

Samuel L. Jackson from Jackie Brown: "The AK-47... for when you absolutely, positively have to kill every motherf***r in the room."

If your working the room... AA12 Automatic Shotgun

Youtube Video
160 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:34:11pm

re: #146 eschew_obfuscation

...named "Achmed" ... "A", "c", PHLEGM! ...

I KEEL YOU!

161 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:34:25pm

re: #158 MandyManners

A real Walloon.

Julius Sneezeczar?

162 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #158 MandyManners

Keep that attitude in Czech.

163 Shug  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:35:08pm

welcome Izzyboy

164 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:35:19pm

re: #160 MandyManners

I KEEL YOU!

That's snot very nice.

165 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:35:23pm

re: #161 Desert Dog

Julius Sneezeczar?

or scientific-- Sinus Pauling.

166 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:35:24pm

re: #147 Occasional Reader

Oh, enough with the scare tactics! That's just a right-wing boogerman.

Don't bug me.

167 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:35:46pm

re: #103 Shug

Glenn Beck might be nuts but his program is the only place on TV where you can see a Van Jones clip.
I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to this story but after watching his recent clips, I'm amazed that this man has anything to do with the Federal Government, and that the major media isn't at least asking the president about this radical. or maybe they know and approve of his radical racist statements.

Glenn Beck has completely distorted the truth about Van Jones. In Jones' youth he was indeed a communist. So what? He HAS disavowed any connection to communism now, and in fact is a committed capitalist. He's probably more to the left than most LGF readers, but he is absolutely not a radical commie infiltrator.

The reason why the major media aren't asking about Van Jones is because Glenn Beck's claims about him are completely bogus.

168 KenJen  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:35:46pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Oh, hack off.

That's snot very nice.

169 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:36:05pm

re: #166 MandyManners

Don't bug me.

Pick your fights carefully.

170 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:36:09pm

re: #168 KenJen

That's snot very nice.

Jinx. ;)

171 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:36:31pm

re: #156 calcajun

Make sure he doesn't leave anything on the deck--yellow snow.

Don't eat it.

172 KenJen  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:36:54pm

re: #164 DEZes

That's snot very nice.

Beat me to it Dez! How ya doing?

173 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:37:03pm

re: #148 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sorry.
I was hoping I was tilting at windmills.

/oops, the metaphor's actually Spanish -- oh well, forget it.

Your efforts to start a parallel pun thread are truly quixotic.

174 calcajun  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:37:05pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Don't eat it.

and wipe your feet before coming back in.

175 Shug  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:37:19pm

re: #167 Charles


The clips of van Jones I just saw were from 5 months ago.
They didn't seem out of context to me saying that whites are poisoning people of color.
Not sure what context that is OK

176 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:37:35pm

re: #172 KenJen

Beat me to it Dez! How ya doing?

Dong fine, thanks for asking.
Yourself?

177 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:37:55pm

re: #167 Charles

Glenn Beck has completely distorted the truth about Van Jones. In Jones' youth he was indeed a communist. So what? He HAS disavowed any connection to communism now, and in fact is a committed capitalist. He's probably more to the left than most LGF readers, but he is absolutely not a radical commie infiltrator.

The reason why the major media aren't asking about Van Jones is because Glenn Beck's claims about him are completely bogus.

Thomas Sowell was also a believer in communism in his youth, yet no one holds this against him today. He tends to agree with the adage that youth are susceptible to falling prey to communism's lure, but most grow out of it.

178 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:38:01pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Don't eat it.

Watch out where the huskies go
And don't you eat that yellow snow:


Youtube Video
179 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:38:02pm

re: #176 DEZes

Doing fine, thanks for asking.
Yourself?


Pimf

180 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:38:17pm

re: #167 Charles

He HAS disavowed any connection to communism now

I don't really feel that the WTO Seattle riots were all that long ago, and he was apparently palling around with some pretty extreme types then.

181 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:38:35pm

re: #173 Occasional Reader

Your efforts to start a parallel pun thread are truly quixotic.

Yes, let's remain focused on the benefits of the new Windows 7re: #175 Shug

The clips of van Jones I just saw were from 5 months ago.
They didn't seem out of context to me saying that whites are poisoning people of color.
Not sure what context that is OK

It's the paraquat, duh!

/

182 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:38:56pm

re: #178 Kosh's Shadow

Watch out where the huskies go
And don't you eat that yellow snow:

[Video]

Not a problem. I'll be moving to Montana soon... to raise some dental floss.

183 KenJen  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:39:15pm

re: #176 DEZes

Dong fine, thanks for asking.
Yourself?

I'm fine and dandy. Headed home to play with the pups. Have a great night everyone.

184 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:39:39pm

re: #173 Occasional Reader

Your efforts to start a parallel pun thread are truly quixotic.

Actually, I'm trying to start a Panza scheme.

185 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:40:00pm

re: #144 Kosh's Shadow

There was a Future Weapons where he showed a .50 sniper rifle.
"This weapon can say 'hello' to you a mile and a half away"
Funny, I thought it should be:
"This weapon can say 'goodbye' to you a mile and a half away"

2430 meters is the current record, by a Canadian in Afghanistan.
2675 yards
1 and half miles.

186 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:40:13pm

re: #121 acwgusa

I thought I was safe when I finished running Cat 5 cable. Then Cat 5e came out. Then Cat 6. I'm going to upgrade to Dog1.

Cat6 doesn't mean crap unless you are using 1-2 GB switching nics...
You're computer isn't doing more than 100MB from the Nic anyway...
We use Cat6 in DataCenter for core switch to Router Connections...Then we go fiber optics to the ether cloud...

187 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:42:57pm

re: #86 JCM

.223 is for weenies!

7.62x51 NATO!

* No offense to Lizards who shot .223 ;-P *

Carried an M-14 through Vietnam. Somehow comforting to have a real rifle.

188 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:43:44pm

re: #175 Shug

The clips of van Jones I just saw were from 5 months ago.
They didn't seem out of context to me saying that whites are poisoning people of color.
Not sure what context that is OK

Have you checked out the new diversity officer in the FCC, Mark Lloyd?

189 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:45:30pm

re: #180 Occasional Reader

I don't really feel that the WTO Seattle riots were all that long ago, and he was apparently palling around with some pretty extreme types then.

Sorry, my mistake, I was thinking of the Rodney King riots.

Still, I find this guy's background less than comforting.

190 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:45:53pm

re: #188 MandyManners

Have you checked out the new diversity officer in the FCC, Mark Lloyd?


[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

191 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #190 MandyManners

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

This is good!

192 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:47:23pm

Bye.

193 Shug  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:48:36pm

re: #190 MandyManners

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

I missed that since I was watching Hardball learning all about the gubinatorial candidates term paper from 1984.

194 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:48:48pm

re: #191 Walter L. Newton

Hunt around in the fist link, The National Conference for Media Reform.

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

195 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:49:20pm

re: #189 Occasional Reader

Sorry, my mistake, I was thinking of the Rodney King riots.

Still, I find this guy's background less than comforting.

Video: Glenn Beck continues his Van Jones communist distortion

Beck never addresses Patterson's eyewitness account that Van Jones did not participate in the Rodney King riots as Beck claims. Beck also never mentions that Jones was never prosecuted after his two arrests and in fact successfully won a lawsuit against San Francisco based on the illegality of one arrest.

196 LGoPs  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:50:19pm

re: #144 Kosh's Shadow

There was a Future Weapons where he showed a .50 sniper rifle.
"This weapon can say 'hello' to you a mile and a half away"
Funny, I thought it should be:
"This weapon can say 'goodbye' to you a mile and a half away"

They should use AT&T's old motto "Reach out and touch someone"

197 oh_dude  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:50:41pm

HA HA! I'm still running Tiger on my MacBook. Never had a real reason to upgrade except maybe for the annoying fact that Tiger can't preview jpeg files as thumbnails (um, Windows was doing that eons ago)

I 've got too many PCs at the moment. I only use the MacBook when I want to play with something fancy.

My brother says that macs are PC equivalent of a Range Rover. Strictly for Starbucks Yuppies! :-)

198 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:51:11pm

re: #190 MandyManners

heh

We want to create more ownership opportunities and more speech focused on local interests.

heh

/fascist, at least after a fashion

199 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:51:52pm

re: #192 Occasional Reader

Bye.

Are you a stockbroker now?

200 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:52:09pm

First ever video of Snow Leopards in the wind.

Youtube Video
201 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:53:22pm

re: #194 MandyManners

Hunt around in the fist link, The National Conference for Media Reform.

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

This is good!

202 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:53:50pm

re: #187 Son of the Black Dog

Carried an M-14 through Vietnam. Somehow comforting to have a real rifle.

You and Realwest!

203 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:54:05pm

re: #198 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh


heh

/fascist, at least after a fashion

Fairness Doctrine code words.

204 fizzlogic  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:54:14pm

re: #25 hebrewtoyou

One thing I'm very upset about is the apparent downgrade to QuickTime. I previously used QuickTime 7 Pro to take frame-grabs of videos my company produced. No longer does that appear to be an option within QuickTime export.

There is a "Trim" feature under the Edit menu. Though I haven't messed with it to see how well it works.

205 Bagua  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:54:20pm

re: #197 oh_dude

HA HA! I'm still running Tiger on my MacBook. Never had a real reason to upgrade except maybe for the annoying fact that Tiger can't preview jpeg files as thumbnails (um, Windows was doing that eons ago)

I 've got too many PCs at the moment. I only use the MacBook when I want to play with something fancy.

My brother says that macs are PC equivalent of a Range Rover. Strictly for Starbucks Yuppies! :-)

Agreed! What a refreshing bit of wisdom. I yield the floor to you sir!

206 Jack Burton  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:54:22pm

re: #137 Occasional Reader

Samuel L. Jackson from Jackie Brown: "The AK-47... for when you absolutely, positively have to kill every motherf***r in the room."

Here's that "Chicks who Love Guns" video that was in Jackie Brown that SLJ was showing Robert Deniro.

Youtube Video
207 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:54:49pm

re: #200 HelloDare

First ever video of Snow Leopards in the wind.

Nature: Searching for the Snow Leopard.

208 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:55:51pm

re: #197 oh_dude

HA HA! I'm still running Tiger on my MacBook. Never had a real reason to upgrade except maybe for the annoying fact that Tiger can't preview jpeg files as thumbnails (um, Windows was doing that eons ago)

I 've got too many PCs at the moment. I only use the MacBook when I want to play with something fancy.

My brother says that macs are PC equivalent of a Range Rover. Strictly for Starbucks Yuppies! :-)

Your brother is an Infidel!

I KEEEL HIM!

//;-P

209 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:57:52pm

re: #197 oh_dude

My brother says that macs are PC equivalent of a Range Rover. Strictly for Starbucks Yuppies! :-)

Well, since PCs are for inbred hillbillies, I guess it evens out.

/you asked for it

210 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:58:41pm

re: #203 MandyManners

Fairness Doctrine code words.

BUT HE SAID ... "But we do not call for a return to the Fairness Doctrine"

HE WOULDN'T LIE ... would he?

/would he? ... would he?

211 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:58:49pm

Wednesday 02 November 2005

Van Jones renounced his rowdy black nationalism on the way toward becoming an influential leader of the new progressive politics.


One week later, while Jones was observing the first large rally since the lifting of the city's state of emergency, he got swept up in mass arrests. It was a turning point in his life.

Jones had planned to move to Washington, DC, and had already landed a job and an apartment there. But in jail, he said, "I met all these young radical people of color - I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.'" Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. "I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary." In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist."

212 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:58:54pm

re: #209 Charles

Well, since PCs are for inbred hillbillies, I guess it evens out.

/you asked for it

Wait a second Charles, I use a fucking PC and I have since about 1982 or so and I was born and raised...

Never mind.

213 OldLineTexan  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 2:59:40pm

re: #209 Charles

YEEE-HAW!

/bring on the possum stew

/see last thread

214 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:00:04pm

re: #201 Walter L. Newton

This is good!

Did you see the list of speakers in his session? One was a propagandist for Castro--I cannot remember if it is Anderson or Fernandes.

Here's another link about NCMR.

[Link: www.radiofreesilver.com...]

215 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:01:10pm

re: #210 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BUT HE SAID ... "But we do not call for a return to the Fairness Doctrine"

HE WOULDN'T LIE ... would he?

/would he? ... would he?

The man concerns me deeply.

216 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:01:18pm

re: #212 Walter L. Newton

Wait a second Charles, I use a fucking PC and I have since about 1982 or so and I was born and raised...

Never mind.

Billy Joe, dat you?

// ;-P

217 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:01:41pm

re: #209 Charles

Well, since PCs are for inbred hillbillies, I guess it evens out.

/you asked for it

I have both. That's why Granny rides on her rocking chair on top of the Range Rover.
/

218 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:01:41pm

re: #209 Charles

Well, since PCs are for inbred hillbillies, I guess it evens out.

/you asked for it

Charles is trash talking PC's! Did you know the Microsoft code base is so solid that...Uh oh...
/Slowly backing out of the room...
//Dear Lord Patch the Windows Code every Tuesday...Lest we never cruise The Internet again...Amen

219 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:02:27pm

(Can I buy a Proud Inbred Hillbilly bumper sticker at the LGF Store?)

220 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:02:44pm

re: #211 unrealizedviewpoint

Wednesday 02 November 2005

Van Jones renounced his rowdy black nationalism on the way toward becoming an influential leader of the new progressive politics.

Some would say that his green philosophy is an example of being a watermelon.

221 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:02:57pm

re: #206 ArchangelMichael
Wow!
The Betties really hate Teddys...
LOL

222 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:03:06pm

re: #211 unrealizedviewpoint

The entire point of that article is that Van Jones has RENOUNCED those views. Try actually reading it, instead of pulling quotes out of context.

223 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:05:02pm

re: #222 Charles

The entire point of that article is that Van Jones has RENOUNCED those views. Try actually reading it, instead of pulling quotes out of context.

I did read it. I pulled it as example that it wasn't all that long ago.

224 Shug  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:05:09pm

I ain't no inbred hillbilly.
I's purebread

225 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:05:12pm

re: #219 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(Can I buy a Proud Inbred Hillbilly bumper sticker at the LGF Store?)

Payment due in a jug?

226 opnion  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:05:43pm

re: #211 unrealizedviewpoint

Wednesday 02 November 2005

Van Jones renounced his rowdy black nationalism on the way toward becoming an influential leader of the new progressive politics.

I am trying to imagine George Bush appointing a former Nazi as a Czar of anything. I try & try & just can't do it.

227 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:05:45pm

re: #224 Shug

I ain't no inbred hillbilly.
I's purebread

You are your own uncle?

228 tradewind  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:05:56pm

Wow. From Politico...
Glenn Beck just made the Vanity Fair Top 100. Heads must be exploding in Tina Brown's office. He was number 81, ahead of 83, Frank Rich... Limbaugh on there also...

VANITY FAIR'S 2009 'NEW ESTABLISHMENT: THE VANITY FAIR 100' -- INCLUDES 5 OBAMA AIDES: 'Goldman Sachs's Lloyd Blankfein jumps from No. 20 to the No. 1 ... The New Establishment, Vanity Fair's annual ranking of the top 100 leaders of the Information Age, is made up of owners, creators, buyers, thinkers, and innovators-the movers and shakers in the worlds of media, business, politics, entertainment, technology, and fashion. These men and women are the taste-makers and trendsetters, opinion formers and agenda creators, not to mention empire builders. Entry into the ranks of the V.F. 100 is based on a number of factors: wealth, influence, and philanthropy, as well as such intangibles as vision and the x factor.
229 Loren42  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:06:14pm

Snow Leopard is awesome, fast, and lightweight.

It's a shame it will not work with any of my applications.

I have spent most of this day deinstalling Snow and restoring my machine's OS X 10.5.8, email accounts, applications, and passwords because most of my applications crash to desktop spontaneously.

Look at the compatibility list for your applications first. If you have doubt I would wait until the 3rd party software developers have a chance to update their applications. The latest version of Firefox crashes, too.

Even the latest Apple's Mail program would crash on me when I tried to save documents.

This is about an 8-hour "Teachable Moment" for me and my business.

230 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:07:11pm

re: #225 jcm

Payment due in a jug?

That'd put a shine on Charles' face.

231 KernelPanic  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:07:26pm

The last remaining piece of software preventing me from this upgrade is PGP Desktop - I'm using the whole disk encryption ("WDE") feature on my laptop and the early release of Snow Leopard took PGP by surprise. No WDE support yet but coming soon.

Given my overseas travel schedule (2 trips to germany in the next 2 months) and the fact that both US and foreign governments like to claim unrestricted copy/access/snooping rights on laptops traversing borders there is simply no way I can travel on business without encrypting the laptop drive right down to the boot volume.

I'm thinking of purchasing a couple of Macbook Air laptops for my company so that we can travel cleanly with "wiped" laptops. We'd use VPN and Apple Remote Desktop to connect securely back to the systems and data we need when it's time to do work. It would be a pain but it really is the only clean way to handle the "we are going to take all your electronics into a back room for a few hours" situation at a border checkpoint without potentially putting yourself in jeopardy for an obstruction charge if you refuse to divulge your encryption key. At least all Germany can do is refuse to let me in!

232 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:07:31pm

re: #227 jcm

You are your own uncle?

The introduction was as follows.
"This is my mom and dad, and aunt and uncle."
And only two people were there. ;)

233 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:07:33pm

I was never a communist. And if I had been I would be suspect, certainly not an advisor to the President.

234 tradewind  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:08:10pm

re: #222 Charles

They were held a hell of a lot longer than they've been conveniently renounced...
sounds like a prison conversion to me.
Way too many quasi-marxists around/advising our president for a lot of non-conspiracy-thinking peoples' tastes... including mine.

235 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:08:42pm

re: #229 Loren42

Look at the compatibility list for your applications first. If you have doubt I would wait until the 3rd party software developers have a chance to update their applications. The latest version of Firefox crashes, too.

Even the latest Apple's Mail program would crash on me when I tried to save documents.

The latest version of Firefox is working fine for me, and I've had no trouble at all with Apple Mail.

236 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:08:45pm

re: #233 unrealizedviewpoint

I was never a communist. And if I had been I would be suspect, certainly not an advisor to the President.

I was a Commie in college.

237 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:09:59pm

re: #236 MandyManners

I was a Commie in college.

Comrade MandyManners.

238 opnion  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:10:26pm

re: #236 MandyManners

I was a Commie in college.

Were there actually meetings?

239 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:10:32pm

re: #229 Loren42

Snow Leopard is awesome, fast, and lightweight.

It's a shame it will not work with any of my applications.

I have spent most of this day deinstalling Snow and restoring my machine's OS X 10.5.8, email accounts, applications, and passwords because most of my applications crash to desktop spontaneously.

Look at the compatibility list for your applications first. If you have doubt I would wait until the 3rd party software developers have a chance to update their applications. The latest version of Firefox crashes, too.

Even the latest Apple's Mail program would crash on me when I tried to save documents.

This is about an 8-hour "Teachable Moment" for me and my business.

Ouch? That sucks.

Just asking I have a lot of legacy Mac Apps, the first time I ran one 10.6 asked if I wanted to install Rosetta, they've all worked flawlessly for me.

240 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:10:51pm

And the winner is ...

241 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:11:12pm

re: #236 MandyManners

I was a Commie in college.

When I'm POTUS Mandy is my Sec State.

242 hebrewtoyou  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:11:24pm

re: #204 trendsurfer

Trendsurfer, I'm just using the QuickTime 7 application that the 10.6 installer let me keep. It's much better software. I don't want to have to adapt to a new interface just because Apple thinks it looks nicer. They need to stop changing just for the sake of change.

243 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:11:24pm

re: #236 MandyManners

I was a Commie in college.

"If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain."
--attributed to Winston Churchill.

244 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:11:54pm

re: #243 unrealizedviewpoint

not that liberals are commies. sorry
just made me think

245 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:12:01pm

re: #236 MandyManners

I was a Commie in college.

Card carrying commie? Doesn't count unless you carried a card. Or you were a spy.

246 opnion  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:12:04pm

re: #241 jcm

When I'm POTUS Mandy is my Sec State.

Your not kidding, she would get the job done!

247 oh_dude  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:12:06pm

re: #205 Bagua

I've been building PCs since I as like 16 years old. Most of those years installing various incantations of Windows. Yeah, it ain't the greatest OS in the World, but if it wasn't for Windows, the Internet as we know wouldn't exist. Some people just can't handle that fact for some reason.

I love Macs too, but they're just very fancy, expensive PCs so I only have one. I also love all the "Hi I'm a Mac" commercials. They're hilarious, but not very accurate.

Comparing a MAC to a "PC" is like Apples (no pun intended) vs. Oranges. Macs are machines in which the hardware and OS are designed by the same engineering team to run together. On the other hand, PCs are an operating system (Windows) running on hardware made by literally thousands of different manufacturers. It's actually a miracle that Windows can actually run rather well on almost any type of motherboard, videocard, etc. Let's see OSX do that.

Plus there's this silly urban legend that MACs are impervious to breakdowns, viruses, etc. Total bull. The motherboard of my Macbook went dead after about three months and I had to send it in for service simply because it was a MAC. I was without it for like 3 weeks. If it was a PC, I would have had fixed that shit in 15 minutes.

Also, I've been in the enterprise hosting biz since it started. Been in hundreds of data centers and I don't ever recall seeing a MAC or OSX serving up web pages. Linux, Solaris or Windows. That's it.

248 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:12:12pm

re: #243 unrealizedviewpoint

"If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain."
--attributed to Winston Churchill.

I just realized, I never had a heart.

249 oh_dude  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:12:47pm

re: #209 Charles

Charles,

See #247

250 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:12:51pm

re: #236 MandyManners

I was a Commie in college.

GRAMSC ... er ... uh ...

*tiptoeing off*

251 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:13:24pm

re: #237 DEZes

Comrade MandyManners.

re: #238 opnion

Were there actually meetings?

re: #241 jcm

When I'm POTUS Mandy is my Sec State.

re: #243 unrealizedviewpoint

"If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain."
--attributed to Winston Churchill.

When I finally got over it, I became a Republican because I saw how far Left the Democratic party was.

252 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:13:30pm

re: #229 Loren42

If you're having that many problems, you have something else going on. I seriously doubt that Snow Leopard itself is causing them.

There are some incompatible applications, but if you're having constant crashes even with Firefox and Mail, you should look elsewhere for the cause of the problem. You may have a bad kext or preference pane, or you may have a version of the Unsanity software installed. Both of those things are known to cause big problems.

253 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:13:37pm

re: #177 Sharmuta

Thomas Sowell was also a believer in communism in his youth, yet no one holds this against him today. He tends to agree with the adage that youth are susceptible to falling prey to communism's lure, but most grow out of it.

There is a Lizard who used to be a card carrying member of the CPUSA back in the day. Just sayin'.

254 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:13:54pm

When will the Blue Cities learn?

Flush with a new contract, more Portland Loos are coming

City will pay about $56,000 apiece for the new ones, much less than the prototype

Fleeced and flushed: the public toilet fiasco

Four years and $5 million later, the Seattle City Council hits the flush button on high-tech toilets that never proved their worth.

It didn't make sense back in 2004 when the Seattle City Council purchased five automated public toilets for $1 million a piece. Now, putting the lot up for sale on eBay accomplishes little more than reminding taxpayers how they were fleeced.

255 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:14:01pm

re: #253 Alouette

There is a Lizard who used to be a card carrying member of the CPUSA back in the day. Just sayin'.

I know- we don't think less of that person either.

256 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:14:03pm

The oven is buzzing. Later, taters.

257 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:14:04pm

re: #251 MandyManners

When I finally got over it, I became a Republican because I saw how far Left the Democratic party was.

I still loves ya.

258 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:15:08pm

re: #248 DEZes

I just realized, I never had a heart.

I had a heart until I got my first paycheck.

259 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:15:15pm

Mandy's been vetted for years now. How bout vetting Jones?

260 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:15:39pm

A tail of two Operating systems..
One to achieve great overall use and add-ins and programs allowed VB to build OCX calls into the kernal and bypass standard ring one security..But shit Windows sold a lot of software and thousands of apps were written from thousands of programmers... Hell write your own api's and calls...
Apple kept tight balls on control of their code...It hurt them for along time in the Market...
Apple believes in lighting fast C code...Screw your wrapper
That have maintained Software Standards over years...You don't need to hire a new whiz kid every 6 months just to keep up.
Apples stayed true to the Vision...Kudo's

261 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:15:49pm

re: #256 MandyManners

The oven is buzzing. Later, taters.

Somebody follow her.
/

262 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:16:16pm

re: #247 oh_dude

Also, I've been in the enterprise hosting biz since it started. Been in hundreds of data centers and I don't ever recall seeing a MAC or OSX serving up web pages. Linux, Solaris or Windows. That's it.

Uh, sorry, that's just wrong. I know of several high-traffic websites that use Mac OS X Servers.

263 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:16:52pm

re: #258 SasquatchOnSteroids

I had a heart until I got my first paycheck.

I is cold hearted. ;)

264 unrealizedviewpoint  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:17:56pm

...and in other news ludwigvanquixote & Salamantis are still at in thread below.

265 opnion  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:18:00pm

re: #251 MandyManners

When I finally got over it, I became a Republican because I saw how far Left the Democratic party was.


,
I had a self avowed Marxist philosophy prof. Shocking I know a Communist gravitating to philosopphy.
Anyway he was a nice guy, but tried too hard to look like Che, he was too Irish.
We were having a beer after class & I asked abouty his Commie activities,
you know meetings, trips to Cuba , that sort of thing.
There were none, so I said, "I've never been inside of a castle, but hell I'm a royalist!"

266 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:18:04pm

In any case, I have absolutely no interest in arguing about computer platforms. If you like PCs, that's fine. Whatever floats your boat.

267 tradewind  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:19:01pm

re: #254 jcm

I've been traveling back and forth to PDX for a while because of an upcoming family wedding, and the airport toilets are hilarious. ' Press one for one'...
I overheard someone laugh and say ' only in Portland '.
The city where the ' new ' bike lanes cause more hazards for cyclists now that they've been ' improved '. Plus, they're starting up the car vs bike wars again.
It's a city where they yap about diversity non stop, but strangely, the faces all look pretty homogenous compared to my area of the country.

268 Kragar  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:19:28pm

re: #248 DEZes

I just realized, I never had a heart.

Me either

269 KernelPanic  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:20:00pm

re: #262 Charles

Same here. I've been in datacenters and colocation facilities with Apple servers and hundreds of terabytes of Xserve RAID storage. There are Mac-centric datacenters as well. I often build scientific computing clusters and grids out of Apple OS X servers although not during recent times when they let their XServe line languish.

Apple did make a strategic decision to become a consumer products company so I do expect that their presence in the datacenter will start to shrink. Mac OS X Server is a fantastic product though.

270 Jack Burton  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:20:31pm

re: #264 unrealizedviewpoint

...and in other news ludwigvanquixote & Salamantis are still at in thread below.

It's sort of like the Caine-Hackman theory.

The LVQ-Sal Conjecture.

At any given time a thread on the front page of LGF will have an AGW argument starring LVQ and Sal.

271 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:21:00pm

re: #268 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Me either

At least we aint a one of a kind. ;)

272 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:21:11pm

re: #266 Charles

In any case, I have absolutely no interest in arguing about computer platforms. If you like PCs, that's fine. Whatever floats your boat.

I love talking Tech with you...You are one hell of a coder...I have alot of respect for your mad Skilz...

273 tradewind  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:21:33pm

I know nothing about computers re how they work. All i know is, before I had a PC and it went nuts periodically, despite my best efforts. It hung, it occasionally got the blue screen of death, and it was slower than crap.
I got a mac ,and it all went away. No worries. No hangs. No crashes.
Just saying.

274 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:21:46pm

re: #263 DEZes

I is cold hearted. ;)

I doubt that you're cold-hearted. We give to some charities, as I'm sure you probably do.
But it is my choice to do so.

Some people like taking your money and redistributing it to the *cough* charities *cough* of their choice. All the while not giving squat of their own money away.

275 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:22:12pm

re: #214 MandyManners

Did you see the list of speakers in his session? One was a propagandist for Castro--I cannot remember if it is Anderson or Fernandes.

Here's another link about NCMR.

[Link: www.radiofreesilver.com...]

Mandy, this is good. If this all gets set up and these people have control over all the information, then we won't have to listen to the progressive waste our time on blogs.

276 tradewind  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:23:01pm

re: #270 ArchangelMichael

Really, that should be an automatic spinoff link, or blog. It's like some giant flesh-eating monster that comes to life at the mention of AGW, grows to huge size, and hangs around for days.

277 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:23:03pm

re: #273 tradewind

I know nothing about computers re how they work. All i know is, before I had a PC and it went nuts periodically, despite my best efforts. It hung, it occasionally got the blue screen of death, and it was slower than crap.
I got a mac ,and it all went away. No worries. No hangs. No crashes.
Just saying.

No software.

278 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:23:05pm

re: #274 SasquatchOnSteroids

I doubt that you're cold-hearted. We give to some charities, as I'm sure you probably do.
But it is my choice to do so.

Some people like taking your money and redistributing it to the *cough* charities *cough* of their choice. All the while not giving squat of their own money away.

I Have a soft spot for animals. ;)

279 snowcrash  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:23:06pm

re: #263 DEZes

I is cold hearted. ;)


Is that an alien physiology thing?

280 tradewind  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:24:04pm

re: #272 HoosierHoops

Every time there is some neat tweak that makes things run quicker around here, I just think ' we're not worthy'...

281 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:24:17pm

re: #279 snowcrash

Is that an alien physiology thing?

Funny you should say that.

282 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:24:56pm

Space walk

283 oh_dude  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:24:58pm

re: #262 Charles

I'm not saying it's impossible, but what percentage are we talking about?

Remember how Carville said "It's the economy stupid!"?

Well, in my world "It's in the application stupid!" I can't implement collaborative apps like MS SharePoint or SAP on a Mac environment. Using the Internet for serving up web pages is sooo 2000. Now, it's all about using the web for cloud computing and SaaS (Software as a Service). I don't see Mac in that space at all. Let Apple stick with the iPods and iPhones, etc.

P.S. I have an iPod Touch and I think it's one of the coolest gadgets in the world. Zune? What the hell is a Zune?

284 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:25:12pm

re: #278 DEZes

I Have a soft spot for animals. ;)

Leave it next to the big oak tree on the corner of Maple and Vine.

//

285 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:25:21pm

re: #280 tradewind

Every time there is some neat tweak that makes things run quicker around here, I just think ' we're not worthy'...

You're not... leave! :)
///

286 pat  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:25:23pm

Whoa. Old habits die hard. our Friends The Turks.

1974: Turks Bayonet 300 Greek Christians That Were On Public Buses Near Cyprus Invasion Site. Bonus: Publicly Executed Soldiers.
[Link: www.ansamed.info...]

287 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:26:07pm

re: #283 oh_dude

I'm not saying it's impossible, but what percentage are we talking about?

Remember how Carville said "It's the economy stupid!"?

Well, in my world "It's in the application stupid!" I can't implement collaborative apps like MS SharePoint or SAP on a Mac environment. Using the Internet for serving up web pages is sooo 2000. Now, it's all about using the web for cloud computing and SaaS (Software as a Service). I don't see Mac in that space at all. Let Apple stick with the iPods and iPhones, etc.

P.S. I have an iPod Touch and I think it's one of the coolest gadgets in the world. Zune? What the hell is a Zune?

I small tribe in the southwest corner...

288 oh_dude  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:26:43pm

re: #266 Charles

Amen Brother. Sometimes I get worried by the fact that I'm getting emotional over a PC.

289 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:27:24pm

re: #284 SasquatchOnSteroids

Leave it next to the big oak tree on the corner of Maple and Vine.

//

Okay, I will leave a soft spot at the big oak.

290 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:27:29pm

re: #269 KernelPanic

Same here. I've been in datacenters and colocation facilities with Apple servers and hundreds of terabytes of Xserve RAID storage. There are Mac-centric datacenters as well. I often build scientific computing clusters and grids out of Apple OS X servers although not during recent times when they let their XServe line languish.

Apple did make a strategic decision to become a consumer products company so I do expect that their presence in the datacenter will start to shrink. Mac OS X Server is a fantastic product though.

I remember when a Gov't Agency bought a PD of SAN storage about 5 years ago from our Company..We were fainting in the offices...A space agency...
Because SANS are now VM driven with top of the line and open source drivers...The OS No longer matters...MAC, Solaris, MS servers...

291 snowcrash  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:27:33pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout
De-mate? lol

292 callahan23  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:27:57pm

re: #279 snowcrash

Is that an alien physiology thing?

Nope, Lizard thing: Poikilothermic

Hi Lizardia.

293 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:28:22pm

re: #291 snowcrash

De-mate? lol

Is that anything like unscrewed?

294 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:28:33pm

re: #289 DEZes

Okay, I will leave a soft spot at the big oak.

...walked right into that one, didn't I ?

295 DEZes  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:29:18pm

re: #294 SasquatchOnSteroids

...walked right into that one, didn't I ?

Been wanting to get rid of that soft spot for decades. ;)

296 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:30:23pm

re: #292 callahan23

Nope, Lizard thing: Poikilothermic

Hi Lizardia.

What up stud?

297 snowcrash  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:30:36pm

re: #293 DEZes
'Zactly. Male and female connectors.

298 snowcrash  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:32:49pm

re: #292 callahan23
Howdy Cal!

299 KernelPanic  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:33:16pm

re: #290 HoosierHoops

I remember when a Gov't Agency bought a PD of SAN storage about 5 years ago from our Company..We were fainting in the offices...A space agency...

Remember when a petabyte of disk used to cost 1-2 million and be a big deal? That was roughly what I was looking at just last year for a couple of systems we were working on.

Today on the beowulf cluster mailing list they were talking about a low end 1PB system with a retail price of $117,000. The cost will shortly drop by a lot more once they qualify those new 2 terabyte disks in all the various 48-drive SATA systems on the market. I bet I'll be able to buy a petabyte storage array for less than $60K before year end.

300 callahan23  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:33:49pm

re: #296 HoosierHoops

What up stud?

Everything is fine 'n dandy with me, thanks - Politics suck on this side of the pond.
Hope you are well, buddy.

301 Shug  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:34:01pm

re: #291 snowcrash

De-mate? lol

It's like a divorce.

both are very expensive also BTW

302 callahan23  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:34:14pm

re: #298 snowcrash

Howdy Cal!

{snowcrash}

303 jcm  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:34:24pm

re: #288 oh_dude

Amen Brother. Sometimes I get worried by the fact that I'm getting emotional over a PC.

PC v. Mac... it's war dude!

Youtube Video

;-)

304 iceweasel  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:35:16pm

re: #111 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I've begun wondering if (in some eyes at least) the Second Amendment itself has become more important, more sacred, than the Republic which it was written to preserve.

Confederate Wankee has long been a fool. The highlight of his 'citizen journalism' career has been pleading for funds to buy him a new gas grill after his was knocked over in a storm. This sob story was illustrated with a sad little picture of said gasgrill lying on its side.

The snarkosphere was all over this, as you might imagine.
Hilarity, as they say, ensued.

305 snowcrash  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:37:52pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout
FAIL on the ammonia tank change.

306 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:40:00pm

re: #299 KernelPanic

Remember when a petabyte of disk used to cost 1-2 million and be a big deal? That was roughly what I was looking at just last year for a couple of systems we were working on.

Today on the beowulf cluster mailing list they were talking about a low end 1PB system with a retail price of $117,000. The cost will shortly drop by a lot more once they qualify those new 2 terabyte disks in all the various 48-drive SATA systems on the market. I bet I'll be able to buy a petabyte storage array for less than $60K before year end.

One of our Divisions makes the biggest SANS in the World...We also OEM for most big companies' SANS...VM is the wave of the future in storage.. To virtualize LUNS on the network and paths is cutting edge...
For years all storage depended on Crossbar switches to direct the LUN and path.. Who ever had the best Crossbar was selling big boxes to banks and Governments..The big boys in storage...Virtualization software is almost the speed of light..There are big changes coming on us in speed and storage...

307 Loren42  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:07:35pm

re: #252 Charles

If you're having that many problems, you have something else going on. I seriously doubt that Snow Leopard itself is causing them.

There are some incompatible applications, but if you're having constant crashes even with Firefox and Mail, you should look elsewhere for the cause of the problem. You may have a bad kext or preference pane, or you may have a version of the Unsanity software installed. Both of those things are known to cause big problems.

Charles,

Thanks for the suggestions.

One of my primary tools is a program called Vectorworks. The company that makes it states that Snow is not compatible and a fix will be forthcoming in November. I can't wait that long. :-(

Mail crashed when I tried to save a DXF file to disk. Most of my crashes were due to either saving or importing files into applications. Grab also crashed. However, I had a few spontaneous crashes as well.

The only thing that changed on my machine was installing Snow and I did update all my other software, but the fact stands; Apple caught many developers off guard by releasing Snow early and there were unintended consequences for that action.

Personally, when things worked under Snow it was great, but I earn my living with my Mac and associated tools. When compatibility issues prevented me from being productive I had to cut the cord and return to 10.5.8.

I look forward to when the issues get worked out, but for me it was a no-go situation and I would simply ask that anyone thinking of upgrading be cognitive that things may not work out as intended for them. Why else would their be a compatibility list?

Thanks again for the help and if it works for you (and others) I am sure you will enjoy the upgrades it brings.

308 mt3_1234  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 1:59:44am

there's a fairly comprehensive review/overview by john siracusa at ars technica:

siracusa's os x overview

might answer some of the quicktime concerns and issues
plenty of other excellent tidbits and nuggets

309 Korla Pundit  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:03:33am

Charles, I found the OS built just with you in mind:

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

310 idioma  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:33:40am

re: #107 Occasional Reader

I guess that depends on whether or not you need a computer to keep your lap warm.

:)

311 mulgamutt  Wed, Sep 2, 2009 4:32:36pm

I installed Snow Leopard on Friday. There were no problems with installation.

However... big problems with QuarkXPress and Helvetica. The new Snow Leopard installs Apple's versions of Helvetica and Helvetica Neue, which conflicts with the other versions already installed. In Quark (which I only use because one of my customers use it), Helvetica Condensed and HC Bold displayed all funky, as though tracking was set at 200, text no longer fit the text boxes. I've yet to find a solution other than changing that text to another font/weight altogether (Condensed Light).

These font issues don't happen in any other application, that I know of (eg InDesign).

It doesn't like the CS1 versions of Illustrator and Photoshop too much. If I had money, I'd upgrade. There are times it takes too long to "think" something through, and the machine shuts down/restarts completely.

Based on my experience, I give this a 4 out of 10 right now.


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