redstate.com CEO Erick Erickson gets right down into the gutter.
I did not realize the Nobel Peace Prize had an affirmative action quota for it, but that is the only thing I can think of for this news. There is no way Barack Obama earned it in the nominations period.
Stay classy, Redstate!
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:15:52am |
Facepalm. That is all that can be said. Facepalm.
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:16:05am |
Can we please quit focusing on skin color and group divisions in this country?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:16:10am |
The Stupid (tm) is especially strong with this one.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:16:18am |
When it's a Polish/German/American's turn, will someone nominate me? Please?
/
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Sharmuta Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:16:38am |
You had to know someone would be idiotic enough to play the race card.
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arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:17:13am |
How can it be affirmative action or fulfilling a quote when it's an honor and an award? Jeez.
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Equable Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:17:37am |
re: #3 Ojoe
Can we please quit focusing on skin color and group divisions in this country?
Not any time soon. Most people are shallow as hell and can readily identify with skin color a lot easier than they can much of anything else. Besides, it's good business - just ask Sharpton and Jackson.
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:17:55am |
And you just know that Nelson Mandela only got it because he was black.
///
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:18:43am |
I don't know if they have comments and don't think I'll find out.
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bratwurst Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:19:21am |
Did anyone REALLY think they would refrain from taking the bait?
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Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:19:56am |
And with that...gotta go check on the parrot.
/don't really have a parrot...but gotta go.
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Gearhead Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:20:20am |
Mr. Erickson:
Way to help rebuild the party, schmuck.
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bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:20:29am |
re: #3 Ojoe
Can we please quit focusing on skin color and group divisions in this country?
Are you trying to separate yourself from those who choose group decisions?
:)
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bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:20:51am |
re: #17 bosforus
Are you trying to separate yourself from those who choose group
decisions?
:)
divisions
PIMF
| 20 |
Digital Display Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:22:47am |
I always love waking up and finding out what the latest outrage is for the GOP.
Next Month Marge Simpson is going to be on the Cover of Playboy.. First Cartoon character to be on the cover in Playboy's history..
Psss... She only got the gig cause she is blue.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:24:07am |
re: #20 HoosierHoops
I always love waking up and finding out what the latest outrage is for the GOP.
Next Month Marge Simpson is going to be on the Cover of Playboy.. First Cartoon character to be on the cover in Playboy's history..
Psss... She only got the gig cause she is blue.
She also has 3 pages inside. Plus an interview.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:24:08am |
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fizzlogic Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:25:03am |
Nobel prize affirmative action, fraudulent black artists desecrating the walls of the WH, Obama hates white people and/or white culture, Obama has a chip on his shoulder...it's obvious who's racist here. It's Obama.
/
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webevintage Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:25:18am |
re: #2 Dante41
Facepalm. That is all that can be said. Facepalm.
You could say "HeadDesk"...
Or go all LOL "OH NOEZ NOBEL PEACE PRIZE IZ AFFIRMATIV ACSHUN!!!" since mocking the mockable is always fun.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:26:15am |
It's been kind of fun, in a sick way, to watch the Fever Swamp boil up over this.
You couldn't get a crazier reaction if you tossed a string of firecrackers into the baboon enclosure at the Saint Louis zoo.
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Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:27:04am |
re: #20 HoosierHoops
I always love waking up and finding out what the latest outrage is for the GOP.
Next Month Marge Simpson is going to be on the Cover of Playboy.. First Cartoon character to be on the cover in Playboy's history..
Psss... She only got the gig cause she is blue.
Ah...do we get to determine if the carpet matches the blue drapes?
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:27:44am |
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Equable Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:28:27am |
If the guy was trying to come up with something cynical to express something he sees as ridiculous, he could've done a lot better. Sometimes being provocative for the sake of being provocative is not a good idea.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:29:03am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:29:55am |
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rwmofo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:30:25am |
Maybe Erickson will open his mouth later today for the purpose of switching feet.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:31:55am |
You mean Erick Erickson who also appears at Human Events? Naturally, since both Human Events and Redstate.com are both owned by Eagle Publishing.
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Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:32:37am |
*gets* down in the gutter?
RedState has been in the gutter for years.
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Gus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:32:38am |
Erick Erickson is pulling the race card here big time with his "affirmative action quota" comment.
| 35 |
Equable Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:33:14am |
Off topic but I wanted to wish our Canadian friends a happy Thanksgiving weekend. I'm already drooling at the thought of the turkey impending turkey massacre at my house soon.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:34:04am |
re: #20 HoosierHoops
I always love waking up and finding out what the latest outrage is for the GOP.
Next Month Marge Simpson is going to be on the Cover of Playboy.. First Cartoon character to be on the cover in Playboy's history..
Psss... She only got the gig cause she is blue.
She beat Jessica Rabbit?!
| 38 |
Shiplord Kirel Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:34:24am |
The award itself may be a mockery, but it comes with $1.2 million, a respectable amount of scratch by any standard. I am frankly glad to see a publicly responsible American get it rather than some of the foreign lefties and other "activists" who could easily have received it instead.
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Dr. Shalit Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:34:52am |
YO Redstate -
It is not about race - it is about POLITICS. That is all.
-S-
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:35:47am |
re: #38 Shiplord Kirel
The award itself may be a mockery, but it comes with $1.2 million, a respectable amount of scratch by any standard. I am frankly glad to see a publicly responsible American get it rather than some of the foreign lefties and other "activists" who could easily have received it instead.
He is giving it to charity. Good for him.
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spiderx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:35:50am |
erick erickson has the critical thinking skills of a 12 year old. The guy is such a clown .
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ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:36:00am |
I never met my grandfather, he died before I was born. I do, for some reason, have his wallet that was in his pocket when he checked in to Mayo before he died. This quote from TR was in it.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
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Cato the Elder Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:36:12am |
Which is it going to be, RedNecks.com? Are we a post-racial society and any mention of skin color by blacks is playing the race card, or are we still stuck in our old thought patterns and your mentioning it in this totally irrelevant connection is the proof?
I'm so confused...
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:36:40am |
re: #31 rwmofo
Maybe Erickson will open his mouth later today for the purpose of switching feet.
You think he grants Equal Opportunity to athlete's foot?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:37:29am |
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keithgabryelski Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:37:33am |
hmmm... he didn't mention white guilt in that entire post. Odd.
This only happened a two hours before his post and he was able to place the race card that fast. Interesting.
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:37:50am |
re: #31 rwmofo
Maybe Erickson will open his mouth later today for the purpose of switching feet.
Nah, because that would require him to use his left foot.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:37:54am |
re: #37 scott in east bay
Yeah, so then why mention it?
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FrogMarch Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:38:25am |
Both sides play the race card, and it's shameful. and tired.
...and in this case - racist.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:38:33am |
Pretty much everything to say about if the Peace Prize is something other than a political statement by the European Left, or has any particular meaning other than a political statement has been said. Pretty much everything worth saying about needing to have earned an award before getting one, has been said - even by the president himself, who actually acted with great grace and humility in his response.
However...
The endless cries of affirmative action, no doubt to be followed up with an insult to the first lady, that we see from the wingnuts is nothing more or less than outright race baiting.
I have the following rejoinder to the typical person who believes this sort of evil bile:
Dear white trash loser,
For all your conservative talk about personal responsibilities and the need for a person to take care of himself, you seem to have a very hard time looking in the mirror. The reason that people like the Obamas go to ivy league schools and then go on to make something of themselves is that they are much smarter, more dedicated and more talented than you.
I wish to point out that this is not a racist comment at all. There are very many very smart and accomplished people who share the same pale complexion as you and me. Despising racist white trash types is not racist, as racist white trash people do not constitute a race. Rather, they are a subset of white people that come from the lowest orders of intellectual, educational and moral rungs. Unfortunately this is a point lost on ignorant folks like you.
It is only human nature - very base human nature - to feel jealous and angry when one is out competed by those you had determined were less than you. This is particularly the case when you have so very few achievements of your own. You could in principle decide that the thin to do was become educated and work harder. But that is difficult, and it is more easy to skulk and invent conspiracies about a world that is stacked against poor redneck losers like you. So it is only natural to lash out. After all, it seems to you that you have so many accomplishments that you earned on your own.
However, you do realize that people who have actually made something of themselves do not feel threatened by the achievements of others. They do not feel threatened by the intelligence or education of others.
Scratch any racist, and you find a craven, frightened loser who can only group together in gangs of like minded betas for mutual support.
Just know, that you are roundly despised for being cave people. At least you have actually earned that.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:39:00am |
re: #37 scott in east bay
That's your last comment at LGF.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:40:35am |
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:40:45am |
re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote
My good man, I must implore you to use that at every opportunity. That is genius.
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Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:40:45am |
re: #43 Cato the Elder
Which is it going to be, RedNecks.com? Are we a post-racial society and any mention of skin color by blacks is playing the race card, or are we still stuck in our old thought patterns and your mentioning it in this totally irrelevant connection is the proof?
I'm so confused...
There's nothing wrong with pointing out skin color, but if you suggest that Obama's skin color is the reason he won the award, then you are playing the race card.
Of course, Erickson was joking and doesn't really think that. But then my uncle was just joking when he made that comment about Obama and watermelons last fall. It's racism that allows you think that those kind of comments are funny, even when no malice is intended.
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:41:06am |
I hope Obama uses the Peace Prize as a sort of moral ordnance & accomplishes something with it.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:41:31am |
re: #54 Dante41
My good man, I must implore you to use that at every opportunity. That is genius.
I'm gonna use that for the annual holiday letter that gets circulated among my in-laws.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:41:53am |
re: #54 Dante41
My good man, I must implore you to use that at every opportunity. That is genius.
Thank you sir.
It really is true BTW. If you are a racist, you are invariably overcompensating for some deep fear.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:42:07am |
re: #58 Guanxi88
I'm gonna use that for the annual holiday letter that gets circulated among my in-laws.
Thank you.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:42:20am |
re: #52 Charles
That's your last comment at LGF.
What is with all the idiots today? It's like they came pouring out of the graveyard of stupid.
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researchok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:42:29am |
It is affirmative action, but of a different kind.
The Nobel Committee are long standing socialists who promote a socialist agenda and Barack Obama best exemplifies that agenda. Bank and financial institution bailouts, car company bailouts, TARP and managed health care reform that more and more looks like a Euro project are what he was rewarded for.
That is not to say that none of these endeavors was not necessary- some surely were. Rather, it is in how these projects were undertaken. Mr Obama is more comfortable with European style reforms and agendas and the Nobel Committee could relate to that.
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keithgabryelski Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:42:37am |
re: #57 keithgabryelski
eeeash... maybe it was a funky browser state. I reloaded and it is working.. never mind.
| 65 |
erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:43:06am |
Obama needs to win an Nobel Prize for driving the right wing blogosphere batshit insane in a few short months.
It is truly a gift.
| 66 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:43:37am |
Just outed a creep from the stalker blog, who had three sock puppets: 'Pulchritudinous Patriot.'
| 67 |
irish rose Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:43:44am |
OT lizards, and I deeply apologize for the blog pimp.
It's just come to my attention that Soldiers' Angels is desperately in need of help. They have over 4,000 care packages for US soldiers overseas, and due to the recession they don't have the funds that they need to send them out. These packages have to go out soon, due to the extended delivery time.
Some of you might recall that this is the organization that does Soldiers' Angels and Project Valour IT. My Marine has been a direct beneficiary of this outstanding volunteer organization, and I'm trying to give them a hand by getting the word out.
Thanks guys!
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Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:44:37am |
re: #65 erraticsphinx
Obama needs to win an Nobel Prize for driving the right wing blogosphere batshit insane in a few short months.
It is truly a gift.
It's killing the Republican party ID, though. Did you see the graph linked at Sullivan's blog?
| 70 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:44:39am |
| 71 |
Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:44:55am |
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debutaunt Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:45:29am |
re: #59 LudwigVanQuixote
Thank you sir.
It really is true BTW. If you are a racist, you are invariably overcompensating for some deep fear.
Ignorance running rampant is really ugly.
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abbyadams Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:45:32am |
re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote
*applause* I also would like to keep that for further reference. As a matter of fact, I would like to print it on a billboard and put it in my yard.
Kudos.
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:45:42am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:46:02am |
re: #73 abbyadams
*applause* I also would like to keep that for further reference. As a matter of fact, I would like to print it on a billboard and put it in my yard.
Kudos.
thank you!
| 76 |
bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:46:30am |
re: #70 ausador
Carl just does not convey adequate disgust...
[Link: i603.photobucket.com...]
Nice.
True. Carl's is not a facepalm of pure disgust but rather a facepalm of his "I hate my life" attitude. No thanks to his neighbors.
| 77 |
Gus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:46:45am |
re: #65 erraticsphinx
Obama needs to win an Nobel Prize for driving the right wing blogosphere batshit insane in a few short months.
It is truly a gift.
When I woke up this morning and saw that the president won the Nobel Peace Prize my immediate thoughts were that the right wing blogs will take the opportunity to not only go further into the gutter but to proceed to make anti-social comments and continue to stick their foots in their mouths.
| 78 |
irish rose Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:46:53am |
you might recall that this is the organization that doesSoldiers' Angelsadopt-a-soldier and Project Valour IT.
PIMF.
| 79 |
Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:46:54am |
re: #74 Ojoe
Check out the Modern Whig Party, sir.
www dot ModernWhig dot org
I must ask you. Are you a leader of the Modern Whigs?
| 80 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:47:15am |
re: #75 LudwigVanQuixote
thank you!
In fairness, though, any letter with the salutation "Dear White Trash Loser" is bound to be worth reading. It's like the collection letters I dream about being able to send out:
"Dear Worthless Deadbeat..."
| 83 |
John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:47:32am |
I went to the Redstar front page and followed a few links to other journals, finding the following article by Benjamin Kerstein.
The article has to be good, as it quotes both the Marx Brothers and Doctor Strangelove.
| 85 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:48:27am |
And 'scott in east bay' was banned for using a racial slur, by the way.
| 86 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:48:40am |
re: #79 Dante41
I must ask you. Are you a leader of the Modern Whigs?
Nope,, but he does have a large supply of powder!
| 88 |
Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:48:51am |
re: #79 Dante41
No, just a history buff, & I nominally joined them, & I think I'm the only Whig in my county.
But I hope they make headway, because I an not enamoured of either D or R at this point.
| 89 |
irish rose Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:49:01am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:49:18am |
Because, God knows, no undeserving white man has ever won a Nobel Peace Prize.
///
| 91 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:49:20am |
| 92 |
Gus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:49:49am |
re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist
Because, God knows, no undeserving white man has ever won a Nobel Peace Prize.
///
1000 dings for you! ;)
| 93 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:49:56am |
re: #89 irish rose
Sock?
Thought you were taking a break?
Hope you're feeling better
(don't let the bastids get ya down!)
| 94 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50:00am |
re: #81 bosforus
Could be my local news guy, Big Buddha. But probably not.
I guess now we'll never know.
| 95 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50:07am |
Man, Obama winning the Peace Prize has really riled up the wingnutosphere.
| 96 |
bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50:07am |
re: #91 sattv4u2
I was only half way through reading it when *POOF*, it was gone!
I didn't even get to read it! :( Oh well.
| 97 |
tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50:13am |
That remark of Erickson's is so idiotic that it shouldn't even be acknowledged longer than to tell him to stuff it. That's a case where yes, the racism is right out there. Shame on him.
That Obama was awarded this prize after less than a month in office (the voting took place in February '09) says all anyone needs to know about the superficiality and fawning lack of integrity involved with the Nobel.
I guess they'll have to rework that old saying that formerly read ' The road to hell... ' now it's ' the road to the Nobel is paved with good intentions'.
| 98 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50:15am |
re: #73 abbyadams
BTW, in almost all of history, Abigail Adams is one my absolute favorite ladies.
| 99 |
BlackFedora Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50:34am |
Well.. I guess that means I stop reading Red State. Wait... I wasn't reading it in the first place.
| 100 |
Sharmuta Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:50:48am |
re: #95 Charles
Man, Obama winning the Peace Prize has really riled up the wingnutosphere.
Really rained on their Olympic Failure parade.
| 101 |
Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:51:35am |
re: #88 Ojoe
No, just a history buff, & I nominally joined them, & I think I'm the only Whig in my county.
But I hope they make headway, because I an not enamoured of either D or R at this point.
Dude, with the amount of pushing them you do, you really should see about moving up in the party structure. You might be the only one in your county, but there is nothing that says you can't work to change that.
/no snark
| 104 |
Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:52:35am |
re: #74 Ojoe
Check out the Modern Whig Party, sir.
www dot ModernWhig dot org
Why in heaven's name did they choose to identify with a dead political party?
From wiki:
"The party was ultimately destroyed by the question of whether to allow the expansion of slavery to the territories. "
| 105 |
Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:52:58am |
re: #103 Ojoe
I suppose it might be a paying job!
It might. Who knows, your county might become its first seat of power.
| 106 |
Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:53:12am |
re: #95 Charles
Man, Obama winning the Peace Prize has really riled up the wingnutosphere.
You have just been awarded the Nobel Prize for Understatements.
| 107 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:53:20am |
re: #104 Ray in TX
Why in heaven's name did they choose to identify with a dead political party?
From wiki:
"The party was ultimately destroyed by the question of whether to allow the expansion of slavery to the territories. "
Well ,,, seeing there aren't anymore territories ,,,
///
| 108 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:53:25am |
Apparently the DNC could use the advice Charles offered Red State
[Link: www.politico.com...]
| 109 |
Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:54:18am |
re: #104 Ray in TX
This I don't know. It is a funny name. But they did elect presidents, so that is something to start on, & a totally new party could not say that.
| 110 |
ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:54:32am |
re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote
Scratch any racist, and you find a craven, frightened loser who can only group together in gangs of like minded betas for mutual support.
That right there. Perfect.
| 111 |
Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:55:36am |
re: #108 Rightwingconspirator
Apparently the DNC could use the advice Charles offered Red State
[Link: www.politico.com...]
I don't know, that comment has some bite to it.
| 112 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:55:45am |
re: #20 HoosierHoops
I always love waking up and finding out what the latest outrage is for the GOP.
Next Month Marge Simpson is going to be on the Cover of Playboy.. First Cartoon character to be on the cover in Playboy's history..
Psss... She only got the gig cause she is blue.
Really? Got to get my husband that issue.
| 113 |
SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:56:05am |
re: #69 Ray in TX
It's killing the Republican party ID, though. Did you see the graph linked at Sullivan's blog?
I agree with the sentiment, but the drop is on the order of 5 percentage points - roughly equivalent, in fact, to the drop between peak and trough shown for the Democrats, although the graph itself isn't easy to read and doesn't seem to have complete "hover" information.
More significant is the downward trend for both parties beginning mid-year, accompanied by a sharp upward trend for independents over the same period. As always, it's the middle that needs to be watched, and independents are more representative of the middle than those who strongly identify with one particular party or the other.
It's the same thing that happened to the Dems following years of irrational Bush-bashing in 2002 and 2004 - the nuts drove moderates away from the party and left them with little choice but to stay home or vote for the GOP, costing Democrats two elections which they ought to have won easily. It wasn't until Howard Dean shoved the crazies back into the closet and out of the spotlight that the middle started drifting towards the Dems again.
And you're correct that there is a real danger of exactly the same thing happening to the GOP if the crazy isn't reigned in soon. But the graph shown isn't all that convincing.
| 114 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:57:23am |
re: #25 Shiplord Kirel
It's been kind of fun, in a sick way, to watch the Fever Swamp boil up over this.
You couldn't get a crazier reaction if you tossed a string of firecrackers into the baboon enclosure at the Saint Louis zoo.
Yes, but the baboons would have a real problem, ie, some nut chucking firecrackers into their home. A bad reaction would be reasonable.
| 115 |
Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:58:24am |
re: #109 Ojoe
This I don't know. It is a funny name. But they did elect presidents, so that is something to start on, & a totally new party could not say that.
Maybe they should have called themselves the "New Republican" party instead. They've elected a lot more presidents than the Whigs!
| 116 |
tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:58:24am |
re: #108 Rightwingconspirator
DNC says Republicans are terrorists by way of incredulity. Perfect.
The thing is, there may be outrage among racists, there is actually amusement and astonishment... not outrage... in a lot of the conservative community. It's not as if anyone who looks into the relatively recent history of the Nobel really believes that this award is given to a peace maker.
| 117 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 11:58:47am |
re: #85 Charles
And 'scott in east bay' was banned for using a racial slur, by the way.
You know that's not going to satisfy the stalkers. Anyone you ban has obviously been banned for disagreeing with you, or for being a Christian, or whatever the flavor-of-the-month excuse is for their own asshattery. Proof be damned.
| 118 |
abbyadams Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:00:03pm |
re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote
Mine, too (obviously.) She was one tough lady. I got a real sense od this in McCullough's John Adam's bio, and I thought Laura Linney did a splendid job portraying her in the mini series.
| 119 |
tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:00:07pm |
re: #69 Ray in TX
Yeah, and that's why the polls show Republicans making gains in Senate and Congressional as well as state races upcoming. It's because their brand is tainted.
If you took a survey of voters, I doubt that Andrew Sullivan's opinion carries much weight.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:01:02pm |
re: #119 tradewind
Yeah, and that's why the polls show Republicans making gains in Senate and Congressional as well as state races upcoming. It's because their brand is tainted.
If you took a survey of voters, I doubt that Andrew Sullivan's opinion carries much weight.
No, it's despite their brand being tainted.
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:01:50pm |
re: #117 thedopefishlives
You know that's not going to satisfy the stalkers. Anyone you ban has obviously been banned for disagreeing with you, or for being a Christian, or whatever the flavor-of-the-month excuse is for their own asshattery. Proof be damned.
Really? Banned for being Christian? Well, I'm Eastern Orthodox, and I'm still here, so that means one of two things. Either they are lying flaming douches, or they don't consider Eastern Orthodox to be "real" Christians. Either way, they are still sacks of shit.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:02:41pm |
re: #120 Cato the Elder
Tainted by the blogosphere and MSNBC?
Okey doke.
The midterms will tell us, I suppose.
/BTW, great posts on your end re the smoke stupidity yesterday/
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:02:44pm |
re: #95 Charles
Man, Obama winning the Peace Prize has really riled up the wingnutosphere.
Well, to do them justice, I'm a liberal Democrat, and my reaction when I turned on the TV news this morning while getting dressed for work was "Huh? What for? Is this a joke? Too weird."
If you're already in a state of hysteria about Obama, this would probably push you completely over the edge of reason.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:02:53pm |
re: #121 Dante41
Really? Banned for being Christian? Well, I'm Eastern Orthodox, and I'm still here, so that means one of two things. Either they are lying flaming douches, or they don't consider Eastern Orthodox to be "real" Christians. Either way, they are still sacks of shit.
I'm Catholic, and same here.
Now, about that filioque... [puts up dukes]
;^)
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:04:09pm |
Wonder how long it took him to come up with that one.
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:04:22pm |
re: #104 Ray in TX
Why in heaven's name did they choose to identify with a dead political party?
From wiki:
"The party was ultimately destroyed by the question of whether to allow the expansion of slavery to the territories. "
Perhaps they identify with the British Whigs, some of whom went on to the British Liberal Party. That party disappeared in the late 1980s.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:04:31pm |
re: #116 tradewind
I think it's kind of sort of amusing...the thing is, the Nobel prize hasn't lost credibility in everyone's eyes. In fact, I think awarding the prize to Arafat and Carter has enhanced it's standing with some people.
The thing that pisses me off is that this is going to be beaten over my head by the 0-worshippers no matter how badly he screws the pooch on the economy, Afghanistan, healthcare...I'm going to hear 'Don't you get it? The man won the Nobel prize!'
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Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:04:32pm |
re: #119 tradewind
Yeah, and that's why the polls show Republicans making gains in Senate and Congressional as well as state races upcoming. It's because their brand is tainted.
If you took a survey of voters, I doubt that Andrew Sullivan's opinion carries much weight.
Did I miss the elections?
That must have been a really long nap.
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keithgabryelski Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:04:34pm |
re: #108 Rightwingconspirator
Apparently the DNC could use the advice Charles offered Red State
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Yeah, the DNC boned that play. They could have shown almost any other tune than "we can call you anti-american, too" and come out ahead.
but, no.
Thanks DNC.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:05:03pm |
re: #100 Sharmuta
Really, it's a gift in a way. He can take his place right up there with Arafish and Carter in a campaign ad.
If you're talking about the ' wing nuts', that is. They exist in both parties.
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:05:06pm |
re: #124 Cato the Elder
I'm Catholic, and same here.
Now, about that filioque... [puts up dukes]
;^)
And I still owe you for the Fourth Crusade! To arms! ;-)
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:05:07pm |
That was my point in the previous article:
And we have lousy behavior by politicians on both sides of the aisle, as Michael Steele misses an opportunity to be gracious, and a DNC official responds by saying the GOP is siding with terrorists.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:05:12pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:05:59pm |
re: #127 Fenway_Nation
I think it's kind of sort of amusing...the thing is, the Nobel prize hasn't lost credibility in everyone's eyes. In fact, I think awarding the prize to Arafat and Carter has enhanced it's standing with some people.
The thing that pisses me off is that this is going to be beaten over my head by the 0-worshippers no matter how badly he screws the pooch on the economy, Afghanistan, healthcare...I'm going to hear 'Don't you get it? The man won the Nobel prize!'
I'm just curious as to how many heads are going to explode if he invades either Iran or Pakistan after this.
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:06:04pm |
As incendiary as this bit from Redstate is, it's no more or less idiotic than any other explanation I've heard.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:06:12pm |
re: #127 Fenway_Nation
Easy... I'm telling you, it's going to be a wash. The people who are thrilled will be cancelled out by the people who are going 'WTF '?
And I don't mean in any particular party.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:06:25pm |
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KingKenrod Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:06:41pm |
The irony of Obama winning the Peace Prize and the resulting outrage from the right is that, except for Israel, Obama has pretty much continued Bush WoT policies. He's even rushing out the MOP.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:06:58pm |
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Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:07:33pm |
re: #126 John Neverbend
Perhaps they identify with the British Whigs, some of whom went on to the British Liberal Party. That party disappeared in the late 1980s.
You know, though, that most Americans will assume that being in the Whig party means you have to wear those powdered wigs that were fashionable in the 18th century.
OK, I'm in!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:07:50pm |
re: #131 Dante41
And I still owe you for the Fourth Crusade! To arms! ;-)
The Fourth Crusade: Most Embarassing Crusade Ever
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:07:52pm |
re: #129 keithgabryelski
Yeah, the DNC boned that play. They could have shown almost any other tune than "we can call you anti-american, too" and come out ahead.
but, no.
Thanks DNC.
Well, getting back to last week's ill-advised jaunt to Copenhagen...why do liberals and Democrats hate latinos? I didn't think they'd be so irate over a South American country winning the Olympic bid.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:07:54pm |
re: #139 thedopefishlives
You need to work on that literal creationism thing, though.
/kidding a bit less
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researchok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:07:58pm |
re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm just curious as to how many heads are going to explode if he invades either Iran or Pakistan after this.
He'll do neither, in my opinion.
If necessary, the Israelis will do what they think is in their best interest. As for everything else, he'll rearrange the deck chairs.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:08:31pm |
re: #133 thedopefishlives
LOL... there's a difference between possession for personal use, and dealing/possession with intent to distribute .
:)
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KingKenrod Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:08:50pm |
re: #69 Ray in TX
It's killing the Republican party ID, though. Did you see the graph linked at Sullivan's blog?
I think "You Lie" had a lot to do with this dip. That was a truly high-profile bit of idiocy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:09:10pm |
re: #135 Yashmak
As incendiary as this bit from Redstate is, it's no more or less idiotic than any other explanation I've heard.
Oh, I think this is just a big "F U" to George W. Bush. Lame, but true.
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wrenchwench Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:09:17pm |
re: #135 Yashmak
As incendiary as this bit from Redstate is, it's no more or less idiotic than any other explanation I've heard.
Somewhat more of an appeal to racists than others, IMHO.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:09:41pm |
re: #146 KingKenrod
I think "You Lie" had a lot to do with this dip. That was a truly high-profile bit of idiocy.
The tea parties aren't helping, either.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:10:06pm |
re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist
The Fourth Crusade: Most Embarassing Crusade Ever
And when you remember there was the Children's Crusade in the mix, that's saying a lot...
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:10:12pm |
re: #136 tradewind
Easy... I'm telling you, it's going to be a wash. The people who are thrilled will be cancelled out by the people who are going 'WTF '?
And I don't mean in any particular party.
Even my most pro-Obama coworkers seem baffled by this. They're not displeased, they just can't figure out what it's for.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:10:13pm |
re: #136 tradewind
Easy... I'm telling you, it's going to be a wash. The people who are thrilled will be cancelled out by the people who are going 'WTF '?
And I don't mean in any particular party.
Not in my family- most of them will see this as confirmation of Hussein Dolt's greatness.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:10:45pm |
re: #128 Ray in TX
No, apparently just the latest polls. Granted, there's a ways to go yet, but the direction is favoring the GOP and not looking great for Dems. Midterms usually do see a loss of seats by the party in power, but the disturbing trend for Democrats is how quickly the independent support that got them to the WH has fallen away.
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:10:48pm |
re: #95 Charles
Man, Obama winning the Peace Prize has really riled up the wingnutosphere.
It should rile up the entire peoplepayingattentionosphere, as I'm unaware of anything he's done to merit the award.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:10:48pm |
re: #95 Charles
Man, Obama winning the Peace Prize has really riled up the wingnutosphere.
I seem to recall you saying basically the same thing on any number of topics - speeches to schoolchildren, etc.
"Obama doing ___ has really riled up the wingnutosphere".
Every time you say it, it becomes more and more obvious the wingnutosphere wants to get riled up about anything Obama.
So keep saying it.
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J.S. Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:10:53pm |
Frankly, the more undeserved flak that Obama receives (and seeing the President's responses to it), the more I admire and appreciate Obama as President of the United States.
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:11:06pm |
re: #128 Ray in TX
Did I miss the elections?
That must have been a really long nap.
tradewind is correct that several elections next month are favoring Republicans, and in many cases this represents a significant reversal from polling done over the last several months. These are scattered special elections and local (gubernatorial and state level) contests; not all seats strictly follow the ordinary two- and six-year cycles, and states of course are free to depart from that synchronicity as they please.
Which brings up another problem with your graph: off-year, midterm and primary elections are often dominated by extremes, the ones who are fiercely motivated to get out and vote. A national polling difference of likely voters often misses this trend and mis-calls projections because they fail to account for more moderate voters finding other things to do that day.
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:11:11pm |
re: #129 keithgabryelski
Yeah, the DNC boned that play. They could have shown almost any other tune than "we can call you anti-american, too" and come out ahead.
but, no.
Thanks DNC.
Ergo and concordantly we need a new party.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:12:11pm |
re: #138 KingKenrod
The irony of Obama winning the Peace Prize and the resulting outrage from the right is that, except for Israel, Obama has pretty much continued Bush WoT policies. He's even rushing out the MOP.
He hasn't even deviated that far on Israel, to be honest.
Europeans often treat American politics as though they're picking sports teams. Some days it annoys me more than others.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:12:17pm |
re: #149 Charles
What happened to the tea parties? I still haven't seen one down here or gotten an invitation, or know anyone who has. There was that big hoopla thing in DC on the 12th, I know, but any activity since?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:12:23pm |
re: #145 tradewind
LOL... there's a difference between possession for personal use, and dealing/possession with intent to distribute .
:)
Such nuances are beyond the banned, though. They think that getting the Banhammer thrown at them means that any and every little difference of opinion, no matter what it may be, is frowned upon here. This despite whatever the real reason for their banning may be. It's generally just a case of self-centeredness; "Well, what I said couldn't have been THAT bad, so Charles must've banned me because I disagree with him on XYZ issue."
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J.S. Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:12:33pm |
re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist
I heard recently that (this is speaking in very, very broad generalities here) there are two kinds of politics -- the politics of fear, and the politics of hope. President Obama represents the latter.
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keithgabryelski Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:12:43pm |
re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm just curious as to how many heads are going to explode if he invades either Iran or Pakistan after this.
well, that's the point, correct?
Arafat was given the NPP as a vision of what might possibly come (given his recent steps). Arafat failed miserably and we all facepalm at the idea of him ever being considered for this prize, now.
President Obama's NPP was given in the same vein. I, for one, hope he lives up to the expectations.
I'm not sure how to solve the Afghanistan issues, and partnering with the Taliban seems incredibly distasteful to me but the course of using the Taliban as a partner in the Afghanistan process is interesting for the possibilities (and also for the failure possibilities).
(I'd love to hear other people's opinions)
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:12:58pm |
re: #140 Ray in TX
You know, though, that most Americans will assume that being in the Whig party means you have to wear those powdered wigs that were fashionable in the 18th century.
OK, I'm in!
I'd be much more interested if we wore period dress.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:13:50pm |
re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd be much more interested if we wore period dress.
Yes, ruff collars all around!
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Cato the Elder Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:14:28pm |
re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist
He hasn't even deviated that far on Israel, to be honest.
Europeans often treat American politics as though they're picking sports teams. Some days it annoys me more than others.
Well, one way to interpret the peace prize award is that it was a bouquet to all America from the Euros for not picking the wrong president this time.
Which doesn't make me feel any better. What did I ever do to deserve a peace prize?
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Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:14:33pm |
re: #153 tradewind
No, apparently just the latest polls. Granted, there's a ways to go yet, but the direction is favoring the GOP and not looking great for Dems. Midterms usually do see a loss of seats by the party in power, but the disturbing trend for Democrats is how quickly the independent support that got them to the WH has fallen away.
Fair enough. But my feeling is that the mushy middle seems to vote with their wallet. If (and that's a big if) the economy turns around by Fall, 2010, then the middle could just as easily swing back.
Fall 2010 is a long way off on the political calendar.
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BlackFedora Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:14:43pm |
re: #149 Charles
The Tea Parties are a magnet for crazy people. I was reading over on Infowars one of the comments talked about how he was handing out Obama Deception DVDs at Tea Parties and he said he had some members of his 9/12 group questioning the "Official" story on 9/11.
I'm starting to think Glenn Beck is like a gateway drug for more hardcore
conspiracy theories.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:14:46pm |
re: #150 Cato the Elder
And when you remember there was the Children's Crusade in the mix, that's saying a lot...
They were at least headed in the right direction when things fell apart, and did not sack Christian cities for hire.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:14:47pm |
re: #154 Yashmak
We're just not quick enough. The Nobel committee decided early in February that The One was the one. The rest of the year's process was just a formality.
They even have his presentation ceremony song picked out:
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:14:56pm |
re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I think this is just a big "F U" to George W. Bush. Lame, but true.
Hmm. . .that's probably a bit of an oversimplification. I think it's more a not to potential, to an ideal, that those who make these decisions think Obama embodies. IMHO, that's pretty lame as well, since there are plenty of folks out there who have worked long and hard to promote peace, who actually have accomplished things. . .rather than just being the embodiment of some hopeful thinking.
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ArchangelMichael Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:14:57pm |
All this outrage is really fucking stupid. You cant say that the NPP is a joke for decades, and then get this pissed off about the people who get it.
I know the prize is a joke, a meaningless joke that is simply a popularity contest for Northern European Socialists to pat each other on the back. I don't give a damn who they give it to. This would be like the Discovery Institute giving out biological science prizes to creationists. I should give a fuck why?
I cannot take any right-wing pundits other than VDH and Krauthammer serious anymore. They are all buffoons now. Thank you talk radio for making me go back to listening to music during my car.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:15:00pm |
re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, I think this is just a big "F U" to George W. Bush. Lame, but true.
TOTALLY agree
As Charles has stated, the Nobel PEACE Prize has been a joke for decades
To nominate someone
A) within their 1st 2 weeks in office
and
B) for what his "plans" are shows how bereft standards of the nominating committee has
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sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:15:44pm |
re: #162 J.S.
I heard recently that (this is speaking in very, very broad generalities here) there are two kinds of politics -- the politics of fear, and the politics of hope. President Obama represents the latter.
Both are designed for one thing and one thing only
To garner votes
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keithgabryelski Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:16:00pm |
re: #142 Fenway_Nation
Well, getting back to last week's ill-advised jaunt to Copenhagen...why do liberals and Democrats hate latinos? I didn't think they'd be so irate over a South American country winning the Olympic bid.
I don't understand you. What hate did you see? or is this sarcasm?
/didn't think the trip was ill-advised
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bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:16:10pm |
re: #174 ArchangelMichael
Thank you talk radio for making me go back to listening to music during my car.
Hear hear!
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:16:28pm |
re: #143 Charles
You need to work on that literal creationism thing, though.
/kidding a bit less
Well, if he means that as in the Big Bang, or possibly the first spark of Life, I don't see a problem with it. I mean, that is what I believe.
Before I get misconstrued, I am not trying to defend or agree with the Young Earthers. Those are idiots who completely ignore science.
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:16:53pm |
re: #174 ArchangelMichael
All this outrage is really fucking stupid. You cant say that the NPP is a joke for decades, and then get this pissed off about the people who get it.
That's a pretty good point, actually. I'll shut up now :)
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:17:10pm |
re: #162 J.S.
I heard recently that (this is speaking in very, very broad generalities here) there are two kinds of politics -- the politics of fear, and the politics of hope.
Both of which can be reduced to a single kind of politics - the politics of lies.
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J.S. Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:17:58pm |
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ArchangelMichael Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:18:07pm |
re: #174 ArchangelMichael
During my commute PIMF...
We having problems with the hamsters or do I need to go around the office looking for idiots sucking up all my bandwidth again?
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:19:03pm |
Ludwig - what do you intend to do as a physicist? If it is Nobel-worthy, I think you should get the prize next year, whether you completed it or not, because you intend to do it.
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:19:23pm |
re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist
They were at least headed in the right direction when things fell apart, and did not sack Christian cities for hire.
Oh, they didn't do it for hire. They did it because Venice wanted the Byzantine Silk Road.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:19:50pm |
BTW
Didn't we blow up the moon today?
Guess I'll have to alter my moonlit walk tonight!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:20:10pm |
Just posted in the spinoffs (can't believe it hasn't been posted already!)
Long War Journal
Analysis: Al Qaeda is the tip of the jihadist spear
Al Qaida is separate and distinct? ... ROFLMAO
Disengage from fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan and concentrate upon al Qaida in Pakistan with drones? That's disaster in the making, and here's why.
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avanti Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:20:26pm |
re: #179 Dante41
Well, if he means that as in the Big Bang, or possibly the first spark of Life, I don't see a problem with it. I mean, that is what I believe.
Before I get misconstrued, I am not trying to defend or agree with the Young Earthers. Those are idiots who completely ignore science.
To take a true conservative stand, I don't care not about my neighbors faith unless they try to impose it on me.
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
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bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:20:29pm |
Someone just figure out the prime number function already and this world will be at peace.
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J.S. Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:21:27pm |
(the CBC, btw, almost sounds anti-Obama today...)
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Digital Display Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:21:54pm |
re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd be much more interested if we wore period dress.
I'm part of the radical wing of the Whig party...
We wear dreadlocks.. Our party party platform is 'every thing gonna be alright bro'
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:21:57pm |
re: #184 Kosh's Shadow
Ludwig - what do you intend to do as a physicist? If it is Nobel-worthy, I think you should get the prize next year, whether you completed it or not, because you intend to do it.
I've been intending to write a novel for several years. Could I have the literature prize?
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Equable Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:22:35pm |
re: #183 ArchangelMichael
We having problems with the hamsters or do I need to go around the office looking for idiots sucking up all my bandwidth again?
One of my clients had an issue with bandwidth recently. When I logged into their system I found that the two main culprits were people using youtube and a handful of boneheads looking at kos and mashing the refresh button to see if anybody responded to their posts.
When I brought it up to the owner he had me block youtube and kos, resulting in one of his employees quitting (over kos being blocked). She even threatened to get a lawyer over the matter, touting that he was discriminating against her political ideology.
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kamaz Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:23:21pm |
the nobel peace prize is such a joke. Obama was sealed for it after only 12 days in office.
ughhh.. I puked a little when I saw the news this morning.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:23:24pm |
re: #191 HoosierHoops
I'm part of the radical wing of the Whig party...
We wear dreadlocks.. Our party party platform is 'every thing gonna be alright bro'
Hoops, ... I think you've flipped your Whig.
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:23:38pm |
re: #188 avanti
To take a true conservative stand, I don't care not about my neighbors faith unless they try to impose it on me.
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
That too. I mean, evolution is science. It needs to taught in schools. It is dealing with this world directly, and we have evidence to prove that it happens. Saying that God started it, however, deals with spiritual matters, which we will never be able to investigate. Don't teach something you cannot back up.
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keithgabryelski Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:23:40pm |
re: #158 John Neverbend
Ergo and concordantly we need a new party.
It just won't happen. The Republican Party has the best chance of changing, but the only possible change (i can see) is a libertarian push (I mean tea-party libertarians) or a Sarah Palin/Michelle Bauchmann party (Christian Insanity).
The libertarian party has no leaders. No one even close to a leader in the house or senate (Ron Paul is not a leader -- he's never passed a single bill and has only had three bills ever get out of committee).
First thing is first:
get leaders in local government.
work on local policies
move leaders to house and senate
That's a ten year process.
A shorter rebirth for the Republicans is the Christian Insanity course, which will gain some support then implode quickly leaving a larger hole.
I find this all sad. I'd love to see a true conservative party balance the Democratic party.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:25:13pm |
re: #192 John Neverbend
I've been intending to write a novel for several years. Could I have the literature prize?
Sorry, I get that one for the one I've actually started (I have most of part I out of 3 done) that says aliens are behind all the problems we're having. I figure by putting in all the conspiracy theories I can, it will be a best seller and have a blockbuster movie made from it, so even if I don't win the literature prize, I'll still make money on it.
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Racer X Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:25:32pm |
re: #191 HoosierHoops
I'm part of the radical wing of the Whig party...
We wear dreadlocks.. Our party party platform is 'every thing gonna be alright bro'
Pass me some dat ganja, mon!
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:26:18pm |
re: #192 John Neverbend
I've been intending to write a novel for several years. Could I have the literature prize?
hilarious.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:27:11pm |
re: #177 keithgabryelski
I don't understand you. What hate did you see? or is this sarcasm?
/didn't think the trip was ill-advised
Sarcasm, mostly. If the righties who were guffawing over 0bama failing to persuade the IOC to line Crown Prince Daley's pockets bring the summer Olympics to Chicago are unpatriotic, then the folks who were upset about Chicago not getting the games must be a bunch of xenophobic bigots who detest Latinos.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:27:25pm |
re: #198 Kosh's Shadow
Sorry, I get that one for the one I've actually started (I have most of part I out of 3 done) that says aliens are behind all the problems we're having. I figure by putting in all the conspiracy theories I can, it will be a best seller and have a blockbuster movie made from it, so even if I don't win the literature prize, I'll still make money on it.
You might wanna think about a cult tie-in to sustain the revenue stream from the novel itself.
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:27:32pm |
re: #197 keithgabryelski
A shorter rebirth for the Republicans is the Christian Insanity course, which will gain some support then implode quickly leaving a larger hole.
Damn, I'm neither insane nor Christian, so they won't get my vote. Anyway, I just wanted to say "ergo" and "concordantly" together. I've been watching The Matrix Reloaded for about the 500th time.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:27:48pm |
re: #196 Dante41
That too. I mean, evolution is science. It needs to taught in schools. It is dealing with this world directly, and we have evidence to prove that it happens. Saying that God started it, however, deals with spiritual matters, which we will never be able to investigate. Don't teach something you cannot back up.
Right. You simply state in science class that "Science cannot, at this time, prove or disprove the existence of a Creator. Therefore, that is not a scientific question, and we leave it to you, your parents, your religious authorities, and others, to reconcile scientific evidence with your religion. You will be responsible for learning what science says, in this class, and we will keep the religious questions out of it.."
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sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:28:30pm |
re: #192 John Neverbend
I've been intending to write a novel for several years. Could I have the literature prize?
I mixed Vodka, tomatoe juice, ground pepper, a celery stalk and a dash of worcteshire sauce this morning
SCIENCE!
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:28:36pm |
And Rush is saying that this whole thing is a bigger embarrassment than losing the Olympics.
*Gomer Pyle Voice* "Sooprise Sooprise Sooprise!"
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:28:38pm |
re: #200 Yashmak
hilarious.
No, it'll be serious, but a sort of sci-fi fantasy. It's supposed to appeal to the same age group that currently is reading Twilight, but there'll be no vampires in it.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:29:07pm |
re: #89 irish rose
How are you doing, Rose?
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:29:17pm |
re: #198 Kosh's Shadow
Sorry, I get that one for the one I've actually started (I have most of part I out of 3 done) that says aliens are behind all the problems we're having. I figure by putting in all the conspiracy theories I can, it will be a best seller and have a blockbuster movie made from it, so even if I don't win the literature prize, I'll still make money on it.
re: #202 Guanxi88
You might wanna think about a cult tie-in to sustain the revenue stream from the novel itself.
Here, this is what you can call your group:
Center for
Universal
Light and
Truth
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:29:33pm |
re: #155 reine.de.tout
I seem to recall you saying basically the same thing on any number of topics - speeches to schoolchildren, etc.
"Obama doing ___ has really riled up the wingnutosphere".
Every time you say it, it becomes more and more obvious the wingnutosphere wants to get riled up about anything Obama.
So keep saying it.
Yes, anything at all is fodder for the outrage machine. Literally anything. Even the artwork they pick for the White House leads to stupid, crazy rants about "plagiarism" from Michelle Malkin.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:29:39pm |
re: #202 Guanxi88
You might wanna think about a cult tie-in to sustain the revenue stream from the novel itself.
I'm willing to franchise that part, for a cut of the take, of course. I think I can make something that makes more sense than Scientology, not that it is very difficult.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:29:53pm |
re: #170 BlackFedora
Speaking of Beck... Andrew Sullivan's link took me to this. Evidently, they think he's not crazy, he's just Mormon...(please add sarc tag).
This is going to irritate an entire religion, and I'm not sure they aren't justified.
[Link: www.religiondispatches.org...]
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:30:04pm |
So what is the stereotype of the GOP?
Please note that I said stereotype carefully. Stereotypes invariably smear the innocent.
But really, what is it?
Religious fanatic:
Ummm do I really need to list examples? But just a few, screeches about sex all the time, screeches about gay people all the time, screeches about abortion all the time (and sorry, that really is a religious issue) screeches about putting prayer in school and Darwin out of school all the time... etc... etc,,,
Serves big business more than serves America:
Ummm can you say tobacco lobby, bailing out banks first, but not citizens etc... What about Tamiflu (made by Rumsfeld's company) and let's not get started on the oil patch or Haliburton.
Again, do I really need to list more examples?
Anti-science:
Between quashing stem cells and Darwin for religious reasons and then quashing AGW and tobacco truths for financial reasons, what more needs to be said?
Anti-truth:
Birthers, Deathers, conspiracies oh my?
Racist:
What is the topic of this thread?
Mean, whiny and hypocritical:
How very loyal is the opposition that wants the president to fail and will tell any lie or promote any smear to do it.
Subversive:
Care to talk secession anyone?
Stupid and anti intellectual:
Palin, Bush, Beck... Just remember it is arrogant and narcissistic to display intelligence.
So seriously, I apologize to the good and decent Republicans out there who must feel abandoned by their own party but at a loss because they still do not like the Dems. You are not part of this crowd.
However, to all the rest, that revel in this garbage... The stereotype is well earned.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:30:13pm |
re: #184 Kosh's Shadow
Ludwig - what do you intend to do as a physicist? If it is Nobel-worthy, I think you should get the prize next year, whether you completed it or not, because you intend to do it.
During the year I was twenty-nine, I became deeply interested in the idea of winning a Nobel before I was thirty. I figured I should get the Peace Prize. My reasoning went like this: they gave it to Arafat, and he failed to make peace in the Middle East. I have also failed to make peace in the Middle East, and have killed many fewer people while doing it.
The Academy was not impressed with my reasoning.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:30:27pm |
My younger daughter's faculty advisor told me in all seriousness that he expects her to win a Nobel Prize someday (she received her PhD in biochemistry last spring). My reaction to this scarcely needs any elaboration.
This is the same daughter, "DeeDee," who used my nic to post here and bring everyone up to date right after my unfortunate encounter with a rogue box-cutter a while back.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:31:12pm |
re: #185 Dante41
Oh, they didn't do it for hire. They did it because Venice wanted the Byzantine Silk Road.
I thought that the Venetians hired the Crusaders to take out Zara. But it's been a while since my last college class on this.
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bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:31:18pm |
Completely OT:
My first internet footprint. Signing a guestbook at a friend's website back in 2001. My geocities website has since been removed. Probably due to copyright violation since I used to record audio clips of The Simpsons with my standard PC microphone from my TV and put them online. Bwa ha ha!
[Link: www.justpixels.net...]
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:31:32pm |
re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist
During the year I was twenty-nine, I became deeply interested in the idea of winning a Nobel before I was thirty. I figured I should get the Peace Prize. My reasoning went like this: they gave it to Arafat, and he failed to make peace in the Middle East. I have also failed to make peace in the Middle East, and have killed many fewer people while doing it.
The Academy was not impressed with my reasoning.
That's because you didn't kill enough people, you see. Kofi Annan won, and he killed many in Rwanda. The more you kill, especially pesky Jooos, the better the Nobel committee like it.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:31:54pm |
re: #215 Shiplord Kirel
Oh lordy...the blade's supposed to be facing away from you when you cut, Shiplord...
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:32:40pm |
re: #219 Fenway_Nation
Oh lordy...the blade's supposed to be facing away from you when you cut, Shiplord...
It was, it was facing toward my knee...
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:33:03pm |
re: #204 Kosh's Shadow
Right. You simply state in science class that "Science cannot, at this time, prove or disprove the existence of a Creator. Therefore, that is not a scientific question, and we leave it to you, your parents, your religious authorities, and others, to reconcile scientific evidence with your religion. You will be responsible for learning what science says, in this class, and we will keep the religious questions out of it.."
That is a smart, mature, and fair statement. Obviously the Young Earthers would be against it.
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keithgabryelski Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:33:06pm |
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vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:33:08pm |
re: #220 Shiplord Kirel
It was, it was facing toward my knee...
Had a friend who sliced her foot open using a box cutter, all the way down to the bone. Not pretty. Much blood.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:33:16pm |
O/T: but probably not for long...
Iran has just issued a statement that it will ' blow up the heart of Israel '.
MSM outrage follows at ten.
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:33:48pm |
re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist
I thought that the Venetians hired the Crusaders to take out Zara. But it's been a while since my last college class on this.
Nope. The Doge of Venice himself lead the Crusade against Constantinople.
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avanti Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:34:27pm |
re: #196 Dante41
That too. I mean, evolution is science. It needs to taught in schools. It is dealing with this world directly, and we have evidence to prove that it happens. Saying that God started it, however, deals with spiritual matters, which we will never be able to investigate. Don't teach something you cannot back up.
I agree, but I have friends that believe in the literal translation of the Bible, and I'm cool with that faith even while not agreeing. It's those that believe their faith gives them a right to screw with my life that I have a problem with.
i.e. if we have Lizards that are creationists, but don't push it into the public arena, I may discuss the issue with them as long as we both respect each other right to practice our faith or lack thereof.
I don't particularly like either side mocking the other, since in matters of faith we have no way of knowing WTF is really going on in the long run.
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Mike in Boulder Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:34:35pm |
Joe Wilson, redstate, Glenn Beck's "White Culture" it is getting hard to hide the racism behind a lot of the anti-Obama rhetoric.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:34:52pm |
Note the victimhood at the end of the article, it's just sad.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:35:16pm |
Shrieking harpy says: Obama's Embarrassing Nobel Prize:
Because nothing means anything anymore. Because good is evil and evil is good. Because we live in a morally bankrupt world.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:35:20pm |
re: #224 tradewind
OT for however long: Taliban suspected in Suicide Blast kills 49 in Peshawar, Pakistan.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:35:23pm |
re: #224 tradewind
O/T: but probably not for long...
Iran has just issued a statement that it will ' blow up the heart of Israel '.
MSM outrage follows at ten.
Ahmadinejad is upset he didn't win the Peace Prize for intending to eliminate the Jooos.
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:36:15pm |
re: #230 erraticsphinx
Note the victimhood at the end of the article, it's just sad.
Pretty damn stupid move, when you're trying to win an election.
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ArchangelMichael Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:36:28pm |
re: #193 Equable
One of my clients had an issue with bandwidth recently. When I logged into their system I found that the two main culprits were people using youtube and a handful of boneheads looking at kos and mashing the refresh button to see if anybody responded to their posts.
When I brought it up to the owner he had me block youtube and kos, resulting in one of his employees quitting (over kos being blocked). She even threatened to get a lawyer over the matter, touting that he was discriminating against her political ideology.
That's hilarious. One of our employees quit when I blocked access to the forums for World of Warcraft.
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:36:43pm |
re: #234 Kosh's Shadow
Ahmadinejad is upset he didn't win the Peace Prize for intending to eliminate the Jooos.
No, no. He wanted to apply for the Pieces Prize. He just grabbed the wrong application.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:36:54pm |
re: #234 Kosh's Shadow
Actually, I'm fairly surprised that the Nobel committee didn't understand that this would have gone a lot further towards the peace process than Obama's good intentions.
//sarc//
There's always next year.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:37:04pm |
re: #230 erraticsphinx
Note the victimhood at the end of the article, it's just sad.
Good freaking grief.
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Equable Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:37:50pm |
re: #237 ArchangelMichael
I can see that, a lot of WoW players I know are obsessed with that damned game.
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Racer X Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:38:19pm |
This is yet another distraction.
The projected 2009 budget deficit is what? $2.5 Trillion?
The national debt is climbing towards $12 Trillion Dollars.
We need to quit crying about silly awards, and make more of a stink about politicians needlessly spending money we do not have.
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:38:30pm |
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:39:21pm |
re: #224 tradewind
O/T: but probably not for long...
Iran has just issued a statement that it will ' blow up the heart of Israel '.
MSM outrage follows at ten.
I found it on the JPost. They'll only blow up the heart of Israel if etiher the US or Israel attacks Iran first.
Cleric Mojtaba Zolnour said, "Should a single American of Zionist missile land in our country, before the dust settles, Iranian missiles will blow up the heart of Israel."
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kittysaidwoof Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:39:32pm |
Obama winning hasn't only riled up the rightnutwingocraty or whatever, but has confused the hell out a lot of us Europeans. Its not like there aren't candidates out there who would really deserve the prize - like Vaclav Havel. Reliably left leaning Helsingin Sanomat poll has a 50-50 result on whether the prize was deserved, while Swedish Dagens Nyheter has a 67% majority saying no. Martti Ahtisaari commented that he hopes the prize encourages Obama in his efforts to win peace between Israel and Palestinians, but that those efforts have so far not succeeded.
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voirdire Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:39:53pm |
Anybody know when the nomination period for the prize ended?
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:40:15pm |
re: #245 John Neverbend
I found it on the JPost. They'll only blow up the heart of Israel if etiher the US or Israel attacks Iran first.
Hmm, I may have to cancel my planned vacation to the pancreas of Israel. . .that's a bit too close for comfort.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:40:38pm |
Kind of a qualifier here///
Even if one American or Zionist missile hits our land, before the dust is settled, Iranian missiles will blow up the heart of Israel
[Link: www.mg.co.za...]
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avanti Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:40:47pm |
re: #230 erraticsphinx
Note the victimhood at the end of the article, it's just sad.
"For the Democrats, who are supposed to be the party of minority rights, they're not being very sensitive to our rights."
Both parties have the right to be idiots, and I'll defend that right to the death./
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:40:49pm |
re: #227 avanti
I agree, but I have friends that believe in the literal translation of the Bible, and I'm cool with that faith even while not agreeing. It's those that believe their faith gives them a right to screw with my life that I have a problem with.
i.e. if we have Lizards that are creationists, but don't push it into the public arena, I may discuss the issue with them as long as we both respect each other right to practice our faith or lack thereof.
I don't particularly like either side mocking the other, since in matters of faith we have no way of knowing WTF is really going on in the long run.
I agree totally. I mean, your beliefs are your own personal relationship with God, and your's alone. It is none of my business to dictate what you should or shouldn't believe.
And as I said, spiritual matters are beyond science, and thus should not b taught as science.
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Equable Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:41:01pm |
re: #245 John Neverbend
Yup. that's what I was summing up in the previous thread. Whatever decision is made with regards to Iran's nuke program - the end is not going to be good at all.
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Racer X Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:41:11pm |
re: #247 voirdire
Anybody know when the nomination period for the prize ended?
I think someone posted earlier that it was before Obama was elected?
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:41:15pm |
re: #247 voirdire
Word is the deadline was 10 to 14 days after 0bama's innaguration.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:41:56pm |
So, this amulet from the Nobel committee (an amulet because provided for the effect it can provide, not as a prize for achievements attained) - how effective do those Norges really thing it's gonna be?
My guess - it'll be just as useful to him tomorrow as it was yesterday.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:41:58pm |
re: #232 Charles
Shrieking harpy says: Obama's Embarrassing Nobel Prize:
I had forgotten that he refused to meet the Dalai Lama. That does have some layers of irony to it.
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:42:04pm |
re: #254 Fenway_Nation
Word is the deadline was 10 to 14 days after 0bama's innaguration.
True, but that was the nomination period. I'd imagine that they have been deliberating it for months now.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:42:09pm |
So, the actual vote was in February? The committee would have felt pretty stupid if Zero had gone berserk and nuked Tehran in the meantime.
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:42:15pm |
re: #210 Charles
Yes, anything at all is fodder for the outrage machine. Literally anything. Even the artwork they pick for the White House leads to stupid, crazy rants about "plagiarism" from Michelle Malkin.
Ugh - I saw that one. What's really, colossally stupid about it that the resemblance between the Matisse work and the painting now in the White House by a different artist was noted over ten years ago in, of all things, a catalog of one of the artist's own exhibitions, where the resemblance and derivation is openly acknowledged as deliberate. Modern art is full of copied and enhanced riffs like this, in much the same way that a great deal of jazz borrows phrasings and even whole compositions from other jazz artists.
Needless to say, this argument got nothing but puzzled grunts and hostile stares from the shit-flinging monkeys over there; I left when they started reaching for their backsides.
In short: Plagiarism - not. Presidential culpability, even if it were - not, even with prolific stretching.
Meanwhile, the health care bill faces it's last hurdle in the Senate, passage through the Finance Committee, yet not a word uttered about it.
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keithgabryelski Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:42:23pm |
re: #235 tradewind
/stay classy/
You're right, that could have been better worded to remove the idea I am asking for Limbaugh's harm.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:42:27pm |
re: #254 Fenway_Nation
Word is the deadline was 10 to 14 days after 0bama's innaguration.
The voting just happened during the last two weeks.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:42:41pm |
re: #184 Kosh's Shadow
Ludwig - what do you intend to do as a physicist? If it is Nobel-worthy, I think you should get the prize next year, whether you completed it or not, because you intend to do it.
Ummm, well yeah, that's sort of the issue...
The nobel committee - the Peace committee in particular does not like my 20 year plan:
1. Finance my evil empire through a modified triangle trade that goes from blue jeans to kalashnikovs to American gun nuts.
2. Buy a major media outlet I will then invent a disease called OH-myGditis. It causes one to vomit their own intestines. I will not really make such a disease. Rather, my media outlets will say the disease is real (that is sufficient) particularly with appropriate graphics and celebrity endorsements.
3. "Cure" the disease, making myself a world hero, while selling the "cure."
4. Finance and deploy orbital batteries of neutron death rays.
5. Make an example of someone.
6. Make a deal with the UN. I build the pleasure planet Playtex, a death star sized fusion powered space facility at one of the L5 points, the world leaves me alone.
7. Invite cool people, the Swedish bikini team (mine!) and Scarlett Johansson (SO MINE!) as well as scientists, artists and useful types to live up there.
8. Watch civilization collapse due to AGW.
9. Re-colonize the Earth in 200 years.
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:42:47pm |
re: #248 Yashmak
Hmm, I may have to cancel my planned vacation to the pancreas of Israel. . .that's a bit too close for comfort.
If any missiles do land in Iran, you're safe as long as they're not US or "Zionist".
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:42:53pm |
re: #259 Shiplord Kirel
So, the actual vote was in February? The committee would have felt pretty stupid if Zero had gone berserk and nuked Tehran in the meantime.
No, the vote was just recently, sometime in October. Him being picked as a potential winner, however, was back in February.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:43:01pm |
re: #257 The Sanity Inspector
I had forgotten that he refused to meet the Dalai Lama. That does have some layers of irony to it.
Mustn't piss off the creditors, you know?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:43:40pm |
re: #228 Mike in Boulder
Joe Wilson, redstate, Glenn Beck's "White Culture" it is getting hard to hide the racism behind a lot of the anti-Obama rhetoric.
It was never hidden to the racists.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:43:56pm |
re: #262 Charles
The voting just happened during the last two weeks.
So was this supposed to be some sort of compensation for the unsuccessful Olympic bid? Or was that too recent?
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:44:03pm |
re: #191 HoosierHoops
It's the big tent. I like it!
The Big Whig tent.
I think it has a future.
(& it did have a past).
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:44:47pm |
re: #242 Racer X
This is yet another distraction.
The projected 2009 budget deficit is what? $2.5 Trillion?
The national debt is climbing towards $12 Trillion Dollars.
We need to quit crying about silly awards, and make more of a stink about politicians needlessly spending money we do not have.
Sometimes I think we make wail over these sideshow issues precisely to take our minds off the national debt. We're screwed, never going to get rid of it, over the falls,--and have been for the past third of a century.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:45:00pm |
re: #228 Mike in Boulder
Joe Wilson, redstate, Glenn Beck's "White Culture" it is getting hard to hide the racism behind a lot of the anti-Obama rhetoric.
The right wing is getting in touch with its inner racist. And it's not so "inner" any more.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:45:24pm |
re: #232 Charles
That has to be the worst designed, most uninviting web site ever.
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:45:26pm |
re: #269 Ojoe
It's the big tent. I like it!
The Big Whig tent.
I think it has a future.
(& it did have a past).
More and more lately, I think it has a future as my party of choice.
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Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:45:56pm |
re: #257 The Sanity Inspector
I had forgotten that he refused to meet the Dalai Lama. That does have some layers of irony to it.
Horrid!
The Dalai Lama's envoy, Lodi Gyari, played down the situation, saying there "has been no question of President Obama not, at the appropriate time, meeting His Holiness." He said Monday in a statement that the Dalai Lama, "taking a broader and long-term perspective," agreed to the postponement in the hope that a cooperative U.S.-China relationship will help resolve Tibetans' grievances.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:46:09pm |
re: #270 The Sanity Inspector
Sometimes I think we make wail over these sideshow issues precisely to take our minds off the national debt. We're screwed, never going to get rid of it, over the falls,--and have been for the past third of a century.
See, if I went around all day thinking about the state of things, I'd be every bit as foul-tempered and spiteful as people think I am.
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Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:46:10pm |
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:46:58pm |
re: #276 Ojoe
You to can be a Big Whig.
LOL
A party with humor.
Hmm, I thought you were referring to the Modern Whig party.
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:47:19pm |
re: #247 voirdire
Anybody know when the nomination period for the prize ended?
Nominations were to have been postmarked by February 1, 2009.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:48:04pm |
re: #278 SixDegrees
Nominations were to have been postmarked by February 1, 2009.
Well, he did wear a nice suit, and the inaugural parties were rather swanky...
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Pawn of the Oppressor Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:48:12pm |
re: #271 Charles
The right wing is getting in touch with its inner racist. And it's not so "inner" any more.
Back when I considered myself "right wing" I used to get annoyed when people would say that right-wingers were racist. It's not true, that's an exaggeration, a few nutcases don't represent the whole.
Now I'm not so sure. I think I understand where a guy like Al Franken is coming from, when he insists that the (R) side of the aisle is made up of mentalists, racists, and rubes. All those folks who insisted they were rational voices of opposition don't seem so rational anymore...
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:48:21pm |
re: #272 tradewind
That has to be the worst designed, most uninviting web site ever.
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:48:48pm |
re: #259 Shiplord Kirel
So, the actual vote was in February? The committee would have felt pretty stupid if Zero had gone berserk and nuked Tehran in the meantime.
No; the vote itself was just held recently. They receive over 200 distinct nominees every year, as a rule, plus hundreds or thousands of duplicates, and there is a long period of winnowing and consideration given to all of them.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:49:39pm |
Oh cool!
Now the Nobel committee has said that they awarded Obama the prize based on his outreach to the Muslim community.
Guess that pretty much moots the question of whether or not AF and IR get more troops... it would be such a slap in the face to the Committee!
///yes sarc///
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:49:43pm |
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:50:15pm |
re: #282 SixDegrees
No; the vote itself was just held recently. They receive over 200 distinct nominees every year, as a rule, plus hundreds or thousands of duplicates, and there is a long period of winnowing and consideration given to all of them.
How long could it really have taken them to do their 'considering' of Obama's peace-making accomplishments?
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:50:53pm |
Yep, for me it's time to say it.
The vast majority of opposition to Obama among southern whites is because of hatred and racism, NOT policy.
Everything that has transpired since the election is totally in agreement with this statement.
And since Southern whites are the base of the GOP right now, it will/is becoming more apparent nationally.
They let these people run roughshod over the south with their dominionists, creationists, and other assorted freaks. And now the whole country knows.
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:51:06pm |
re: #283 tradewind
Oh cool!
Now the Nobel committee has said that they awarded Obama the prize based on his outreach to the Muslim community.
Guess that pretty much moots the question of whether or not AF and IR get more troops... it would be such a slap in the face to the Committee!
///yes sarc///
It's odd that they keep tossing out differing rationales for their decision. They had to know this would be a controversial announcement; you would think they would have had their talking points nailed down ahead of time.
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Equable Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:51:25pm |
re: #280 Pawn of the Oppressor
Yeah I wish I could go from (R) Equable to ( ) Equable.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:51:40pm |
re: #284 Dante41
Bah. Both of you, bow to the fail that is Time Cube.
Double bah!
Behold the mind-bending, brain-petrifying suck that is here:
[Link: www.petrifiedhumanbrain.com...]
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:51:47pm |
re: #281 Fenway_Nation
Well, that one doesn't really send a tingle down my leg, but I can see where it would have its charms for the boys.
I had just never been to the Atlas Shrugs place, but from all I had read here, I thought it would be more ... you know... big time. It looked really low-budget. Maybe I didn't surf enough.
(Or at all... don't think I'll be back).
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Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:52:02pm |
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:52:18pm |
re: #285 Yashmak
Peacemaking nothing...the 'I'm sorry I'm the President of such a bigoted, mean, shitty country' World Tour probably appealed to them
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:52:42pm |
re: #286 erraticsphinx
Wow. So it's not the polls that are rising, it's the Old South?
///
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:52:43pm |
re: #284 Dante41
Bah. Both of you, bow to the fail that is Time Cube.
What? You've entered the Time Cube without permission? Mr. Sulu, your agonizer please...
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Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:52:58pm |
re: #292 Fenway_Nation
Peacemaking nothing...the 'I'm sorry I'm the President of such a bigoted, mean, shitty country' World Tour probably appealed to them
Twice in two threads. The "great apologizer" canard is bullshit.
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:53:22pm |
re: #285 Yashmak
How long could it really have taken them to do their 'considering' of Obama's peace-making accomplishments?
Someone linked the outline of their schedule earlier, I think in the thread downstairs. It's on the Nobel Committee's website, I'm certain. The timeline contains several months for deliberation before a final vote is held in October.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:53:27pm |
re: #284 Dante41
Bah. Both of you, bow to the fail that is Time Cube.
Timecube rules for the profanity-laced schizophrenic writing, but the layout is childishly poor. Petrified Human Brain, however, shows that someone worked hard to make it look like it does. They worked to make it hideous, and were pleased when they were finished.
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:54:02pm |
re: #289 Guanxi88
Double bah!
Behold the mind-bending, brain-petrifying suck that is here:
[Link: www.petrifiedhumanbrain.com...]
Cool. When is Saul Rubinek going to put it in Warehouse 13?
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Dante41 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:54:15pm |
re: #289 Guanxi88
Double bah!
Behold the mind-bending, brain-petrifying suck that is here:
[Link: www.petrifiedhumanbrain.com...]
Ack. Personally, I'd say that they are both equal. Time Cube wins by the virtue that it has been around for longer.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:54:28pm |
re: #241 Equable
I can see that, a lot of WoW players I know are obsessed with that damned game.
About the time South Park did their WoW episode, my daughter's then-boyfriend was a WoW addict. She eventually left him and is married to someone who is now a Maryland state trooper and wants to get into their helicopter EMT department. Much different use of dedicated work. The Maryland State Police academy is patterned after the Marine Corps' boot camp, although not as tough, but still tough.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:54:32pm |
re: #286 erraticsphinx
Yep, for me it's time to say it.
The vast majority of opposition to Obama among southern whites is because of hatred and racism, NOT policy.
Everything that has transpired since the election is totally in agreement with this statement.
And since Southern whites are the base of the GOP right now, it will/is becoming more apparent nationally.
They let these people run roughshod over the south with their dominionists, creationists, and other assorted freaks. And now the whole country knows.
Do you believe that we'd be seeing the same stuff if it were Colin Powell who was president instead? Remember, he was seriously bruited as a candidate in the early 90s for a spell.
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Equable Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:54:45pm |
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:54:45pm |
re: #286 erraticsphinx
Yeah...he's done such a bang-up job as president and handled innumerable issues so flawlessly that nobody has any legit grieveances with his administration.
Gotta be racism.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:54:47pm |
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:54:49pm |
re: #293 tradewind
You disagree that the attitudes of the old south are not on the rise in today's GOP?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:55:06pm |
re: #300 Kosh's Shadow
About the time South Park did their WoW episode, my daughter's then-boyfriend was a WoW addict. She eventually left him and is married to someone who is now a Maryland state trooper and wants to get into their helicopter EMT department. Much different use of dedicated work. The Maryland State Police academy is patterned after the Marine Corps' boot camp, although not as tough, but still tough.
I've mentioned before that I'm a bit of a WoW geek. The main difference? I have a steady job, and I shower.
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voirdire Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:55:26pm |
re: #286 erraticsphinx
Yep, for me it's time to say it.
The vast majority of opposition to Obama among southern whites is because of hatred and racism, NOT policy.
Everything that has transpired since the election is totally in agreement with this statement.
And since Southern whites are the base of the GOP right now, it will/is becoming more apparent nationally.
They let these people run roughshod over the south with their dominionists, creationists, and other assorted freaks. And now the whole country knows.
Wow.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:55:40pm |
Perhaps the Nobel Committee did Obama a disservice. The following scenario is hypothetical, but possible.
Obama is given the Peace Prize.
That affects his judgment.
He goes ahead with disengaging from fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan and concentrates upon attacking al Qaida in Pakistan with drones.
Reality intrudes. See the Long War Journal's
Analysis: Al Qaeda is the tip of the jihadist spear
... That Peace Prize would turn to ashes in his hands.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:55:49pm |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Ruh -Roh, Robert Byrd acting up again??
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:56:17pm |
re: #297 Guanxi88
Timecube rules for the profanity-laced schizophrenic writing, but the layout is childishly poor. Petrified Human Brain, however, shows that someone worked hard to make it look like it does. They worked to make it hideous, and were pleased when they were finished.
Uh! That's the most 1995-ish looking website I've seen today!
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Equable Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:56:27pm |
re: #300 Kosh's Shadow
Kudos to your daughter there.
I've been playing Everquest since 2000 and have run into my fair share of overly-obsessed players. WoW on the other hand ... well all you have to do is run a WoW player search through youtube. That game attracts some seriously FUBAR people.
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:56:50pm |
re: #289 Guanxi88
Double bah!
Behold the mind-bending, brain-petrifying suck that is here:
[Link: www.petrifiedhumanbrain.com...]
Aaaagh! Make it stop!
One thing all these whackos, along with every conspiracy theorist website I've ever visited have in common is a complete disregard for breaking thoughts into paragraphs or even comprehensible sentences. They are ALWAYS this incredibly long, never-ending block of text that rambles on and on and on and...without so much as a line break or period in sight. It's like the author's actual stream of consciousness, flash-frozen in mid-babble for all time.
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alexknyc Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:57:05pm |
This had nothing to do with race.
Obama had the one credential the committee was looking for in an American president-- he's not George W. Bush.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:57:24pm |
re: #310 The Sanity Inspector
Uh! That's the most 1995-ish looking website I've seen today!
Then you haven't visited mine, have you?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:57:26pm |
re: #309 tradewind
This stuff is becoming more acceptable every day. Sad.
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John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:58:08pm |
re: #299 Dante41
Ack. Personally, I'd say that they are both equal. Time Cube wins by the virtue that it has been around for longer.
And here is a rebuttal.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:58:23pm |
re: #303 Fenway_Nation
That's not what I said. Learn to read.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:58:39pm |
re: #305 erraticsphinx
You get the Nobel for insight.
There are racists and creeps all across the country. They didn't come in with Obama, and they won't leave with him. And they're not ground zero'ed in Dixie, either. But this idea is a really smooth way to pull the country together, so I'm sure it will continue to flourish.
//
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:59:38pm |
re: #274 Coracle
The DL is classy folks; of course he'd say that.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:00:16pm |
re: #318 tradewind
We haven't had a political party actively encouraging them in recent memory.
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rwmofo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:00:28pm |
re: #286 erraticsphinx
That's a pretty broad brush you're using.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:01:20pm |
re: #306 thedopefishlives
I've mentioned before that I'm a bit of a WoW geek. The main difference? I have a steady job, and I shower.
Well, it is just like alcohol - some people can handle it and work, and have a life (like me) and some are alcoholics. I know I'm at risk of being an online game addict, so I stay away. I'll play offline games, because I know I'm not missing anything when I'm not playing - nothing is gong on in the game unless I have it running, so I can leave it if I don't have time.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:02:54pm |
re: #322 Kosh's Shadow
Well, it is just like alcohol - some people can handle it and work, and have a life (like me) and some are alcoholics. I know I'm at risk of being an online game addict, so I stay away. I'll play offline games, because I know I'm not missing anything when I'm not playing - nothing is gong on in the game unless I have it running, so I can leave it if I don't have time.
I'll admit, the online game can be fun and engaging at times, but at other times, it feels almost like a second job. The Mrs. Fish and I both play, and we've both decided that when we're done with the game, we're not going to play any more online MMO-style games. Maybe the occasional round of Battlefield or what have you, but nothing like WoW or EQ or their ilk.
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:04:13pm |
re: #322 Kosh's Shadow
Well, it is just like alcohol - some people can handle it and work, and have a life (like me) and some are alcoholics. I know I'm at risk of being an online game addict, so I stay away. I'll play offline games, because I know I'm not missing anything when I'm not playing - nothing is gong on in the game unless I have it running, so I can leave it if I don't have time.
I can't let this pass without a mention of Fear of Girls:
Episodes 2 and 3 are also available.
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Equable Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:04:42pm |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
So what if the guy has pictures of Mandela, Jackson or whomever in his restaurant. Hell, so what if he is the farthest thing from being a bigot; in my opinion the usage that word other than to quote somebody or for historical context is unacceptable. I wouldn't try to take another person's self-perceived right to use it away, but it isn't allowed in my house.
A nephew of mine was staying over once and he was listening to that rap garbage on one of my computers - one song in particular was rife with that word. When I told him to turn it off, he argued that it was okay because a black person was saying it.
I tried to teach him that it was not okay and to pick and choose when it is offensive to you is also unacceptable. It fell on deaf ears though.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:04:59pm |
re: #268 Fenway_Nation
Maybe we're jumping to conclusions, and it's SOP to nominate whoever is the sitting US president, so that's why they stuck him in there in Feb. After all, he could have gotten a separate Palestinian state set up and unilateral nuclear disarmament nearly done by now. They had to cover all the bases.
And really, I bet the discussion during the next rounds of voting all the way to the end was rousing.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:05:16pm |
re: #321 rwmofo
If you say so, but there's plenty of evidence.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:05:45pm |
Now, as for kook science websites, the king of them all is...dare I give him the hits?...Ed Conrad. Meet the man who single-handedly ruined the sci. groups on usenet with his nonstop spammage of his silly lump of coal, back in the 90s.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:05:49pm |
re: #320 erraticsphinx
We haven't had a political party actively encouraging them in recent memory.
I think encouraging is perhaps a bit strong. I'd say they're not doing enough to keep them out of leadership, and some are cynically exploiting these slack-jawed fools' bigotry to attempt to gain short-term political ends. To suggest RNC is morphing into (or revealing its true face) as the political wing of the Klan and ARyan Nations is to go too far.
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Yashmak Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:06:00pm |
re: #322 Kosh's Shadow
Well, it is just like alcohol - some people can handle it and work, and have a life (like me) and some are alcoholics. I know I'm at risk of being an online game addict, so I stay away. I'll play offline games, because I know I'm not missing anything when I'm not playing - nothing is gong on in the game unless I have it running, so I can leave it if I don't have time.
We have a whole batch of folks at my company who play this thing. It's all they talk about at breaks and lunch. I frequently loiter nearby, because I find it endlessly amusing to hear engineers in their late 30's with families talking about what happened last night during the gaming session as if it happend to them in real life.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:07:29pm |
re: #286 erraticsphinx
Yep, for me it's time to say it.
The vast majority of opposition to Obama among southern whites is because of hatred and racism, NOT policy.
Everything that has transpired since the election is totally in agreement with this statement.
And since Southern whites are the base of the GOP right now, it will/is becoming more apparent nationally.
They let these people run roughshod over the south with their dominionists, creationists, and other assorted freaks. And now the whole country knows.
Is there no opposition to Obama in states other than southern states?
If so, what is the basis for that opposition?
That's a mighty broad brush you're painting with. There may be some truth to what you say among some people in the south, but not all. Do you actually know any "southern whites"? Is it not possible in your mind for a southern white like, oh, say, myself, to be opposed to portions of Obama's stated agenda and not opposed to Obama in general because of race? Is it so hard for you to believe that people like myself exist?
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theheat Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:08:05pm |
re: #240 Charles
OMG. They could not have sounded like ignorant racist hillbillies any more if they tried.
I'm sure they were trying. You can't sound that stupid by accident. So, maybe they should get an award, too. Why should the POTUS get them all?
/
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Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:08:20pm |
re: #319 The Sanity Inspector
The DL is classy folks; of course he'd say that.
He serves as an example to us all.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:09:13pm |
re: #330 Yashmak
We have a whole batch of folks at my company who play this thing. It's all they talk about at breaks and lunch. I frequently loiter nearby, because I find it endlessly amusing to hear engineers in their late 30's with families talking about what happened last night during the gaming session as if it happend to them in real life.
The famous Serenity Now raid on a WoW funeral for a player who died in the real world:
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:12:38pm |
re: #331 reine.de.tout
Didn't mean to offend you personally. Of course there is legitimate opposition of Obama among Southern whites.
But I'm getting sick of people saying "it's a tiny minority!" when it comes to birthers, racists, etc.
It's not a tiny minority, and polls have shown that in the South, it's a majority.
I believe one was posted right here on the front page, if I'm not mistaken..?
I'm trying to find it.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:14:33pm |
re: #335 Old Guy
I'll do you a favor and block your account so you don't have to put up with the stupid comments and ignorant sycophants. No need to thank me!
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:16:56pm |
re: #336 erraticsphinx
Didn't mean to offend you personally. Of course there is legitimate opposition of Obama among Southern whites.
But I'm getting sick of people saying "it's a tiny minority!" when it comes to birthers, racists, etc.
It's not a tiny minority, and polls have shown that in the South, it's a majority.
I believe one was posted right here on the front page, if I'm not mistaken..?
I'm trying to find it.
You don't need to find it. I made no claim that it was a "tiny minority". I simply said there are some of us who do NOT fit the mold. I'm familiar with the poll you are looking for, and had a discussion with Iceweasel and Keith Gabreylski and someone else one day about that poll. It appeared to me the southern sample used was disproportionately high. No matter; it is true that there are many in the south who are racist.
But a am also wondering what you think is the basis for opposition to Obama among whites in other areas of the country.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:18:48pm |
re: #340 reine.de.tout
You don't need to find it. I made no claim that it was a "tiny minority". I simply said there are some of us who do NOT fit the mold. I'm familiar with the poll you are looking for, and had a discussion with Iceweasel and Keith Gabreylski and someone else one day about that poll. It appeared to me the southern sample used was disproportionately high. No matter; it is true that there are many in the south who are racist.
But a am also wondering what you think is the basis for opposition to Obama among whites in other areas of the country.
In other words, why are you focusing on southern opposition? What is the purpose?
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aagcobb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:20:01pm |
re: #69 Ray in TX
It's killing the Republican party ID, though. Did you see the graph linked at Sullivan's blog?
The GOP may have to hit bottom and spend a decade or so out of power before it can recover. You can't help an addict still in denial.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:20:25pm |
re: #341 reine.de.tout
Convenient stereotyping.
Water always takes the path of least resistance running down hill.
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tradewind Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:22:31pm |
re: #342 aagcobb
Because Andrew Sullivan is such a bellwether for politicians in both parties.
The polling trends disagree with your premise. We'll see after the midterms, but in state and local races, there appears to be a lot of buyers' remorse affecting independents who pulled the D handle.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:23:17pm |
re: #340 reine.de.tout
The GOP in other areas of the country is very, very, different. I live in NY, and the Republicans here almost NEVER mention social issues. And none of the "Kenyan!" pseudo-racist nonsense. Of course there are racists everywhere, they are just concentrated in the South.
I KNOW they're not all racist, but I'm sorry I spent years there and it's definitely a majority in my opinion. Some of them are more subtle about it.
And to answer your second, there's a focus on the GOP in the south because that's what their base is.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:30:03pm |
re: #342 aagcobb
The GOP may have to hit bottom and spend a decade or so out of power before it can recover. You can't help an addict still in denial.
I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Republican.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:31:01pm |
re: #345 erraticsphinx
The GOP in other areas of the country is very, very, different. I live in NY, and the Republicans here almost NEVER mention social issues. And none of the "Kenyan!" pseudo-racist nonsense. Of course there are racists everywhere, they are just concentrated in the South.
I KNOW they're not all racist, but I'm sorry I spent years there and it's definitely a majority in my opinion. Some of them are more subtle about it.
And to answer your second, there's a focus on the GOP in the south because that's what their base is.
Looks to me like the GOP has support in a lot of non-southern states
But what do I know.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:33:10pm |
This graph was a hint of things to come
I'm sure they were concerned with the intricacies of Obama's and McCain's platforms, while the rest of the country slept, they were awake.
///
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:34:43pm |
re: #347 reine.de.tout
That's not what I said, stop putting words in my mouth.
Did you not read the part about "The GOP is different in non southern states", or chose to ignore it?
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rwmofo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:35:44pm |
re: #327 erraticsphinx
If you say so, but there's plenty of evidence.
So I don't give any racist a pass. Racism isn't rooted in geography, however. You said "The vast majority of opposition to Obama among southern whites is because of hatred and racism, NOT policy."
Does this notion apply to some people in the south AND elsewhere? Sure. The vast majority? Doubtful.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:38:07pm |
re: #348 erraticsphinx
This graph was a hint of things to come
I'm sure they were concerned with the intricacies of Obama's and McCain's platforms, while the rest of the country slept, they were awake.
///
Oh, OK. A voting shift to Republican occurred primarily in the south; therefore the reasons for that must be racist.
I see.
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:38:29pm |
re: #345 erraticsphinx
The GOP in other areas of the country is very, very, different. I live in NY, and the Republicans here almost NEVER mention social issues. And none of the "Kenyan!" pseudo-racist nonsense. Of course there are racists everywhere, they are just concentrated in the South.
I KNOW they're not all racist, but I'm sorry I spent years there and it's definitely a majority in my opinion. Some of them are more subtle about it.
And to answer your second, there's a focus on the GOP in the south because that's what their base is.
To be frank, I think you need to get out more. Far and away, the most racially polarized area in the country that I can think of is the metro Detroit area. Although this isn't overt racism, exactly, but de facto segregation, with a huge concentration of blacks within Detroit's city limits and an equally disparate concentration of whites in the surrounding suburbs. It is unlike any modern urban region I have visited in the country in this regard, and it will be decades before it changes significantly.
Moving into more rural areas of the state, we enter serious KKK country; the organization used to be centered here through the 70s and early 80s, until Tim McVeigh and company's frequent passages through the area drew too much attention from the FBI, and the Grand Pudyanks, or whatever the leaders are called, got a whole lot quieter or left for more private areas, mostly in the western region of the country.
Ohio is another real garden spot when it comes to rural good ol' boys with a fondness for Confederate flags plastered onto their pickups. It's the only place I've ever been accosted over my beard, despite being in late middle age, and was actually concerned enough to keep tabs on where my cell phone was until things ramped down to a more comfortable though still uneasy level.
And a friend who attended Alfred University could tell you some sickening stories about the yocals in that neck of the woods.
I've traveled all over the south and southwest, too, and I've never run across the overt racism you're referring to in anything like the degree you're attributing to the region.
I'm thinking you're seeing and hearing what you desire to see and hear. You'd be advised to apply a more objective cast to your observations and make sure you're not doing more than a little stereotyping yourself.
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:38:32pm |
re: #350 rwmofo
Racism IS rooted in geography, history shows that in this country.
But whatever, agree to disagree.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:40:54pm |
re: #349 erraticsphinx
That's not what I said, stop putting words in my mouth.
Did you not read the part about "The GOP is different in non southern states", or chose to ignore it?
Get a grip.
You said the south was the GOP base.
The graph shows the GOP has support in a lot of states.
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:41:41pm |
re: #348 erraticsphinx
This graph was a hint of things to come
I'm sure they were concerned with the intricacies of Obama's and McCain's platforms, while the rest of the country slept, they were awake.
///
You lost me. You're saying that there are more racists in areas of the country that formerly voted Democratic? Because the map you linked to shows shifts in voting patterns, not the patterns themselves. Was there there that much latent racism among Democrats in the South, then?
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SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:42:31pm |
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:43:45pm |
re: #355 reine.de.tout
No, that's not what it shows.
Somehow, I can disagree with you without going on dinging sprees, funny, isn't it?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:44:04pm |
re: #357 SixDegrees
Not a problem. But my pissiness is rising, so I'm taking a break.
Me too, I believe.
SpaceJ has joined the sphinx in the next thread.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:45:46pm |
re: #358 erraticsphinx
No, that's not what it shows.
Somehow, I can disagree with you without going on dinging sprees, funny, isn't it?
Have I dinged you? I just went to be sure, but I have not.
What is your problem?
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erraticsphinx Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:49:53pm |
re: #360 reine.de.tout
I don't have a problem, you have a problem with understanding graphs.
I'm dropping this now.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:54:08pm |
re: #361 erraticsphinx
I don't have a problem, you have a problem with understanding graphs.
I'm dropping this now.
You make a comment hinting that you can disagree with me without going on a dinging spree, and you left it hanging as to who was "dinging".
I can also disagree without dinging. It wasn't me doing the dinging; and for you to leave it hanging as if I were is deceptive.
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Hawaii69 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:21:19pm |
Erick Erickson is a moron.
This is the same guy whose reaction to Chicago not getting the olympics began with him actually typing out "HAHAHAHAHA!!"
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Mich-again Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:17:19pm |
I don't think race had anything at all to do with this.
I do think its more likely death spasms of Bush Derangement Syndrome in the clowns who gave Obama this award. It was one last chance to shout out FU to GWB. This guy gets a peace prize just for replacing you.
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harpsicon Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:18:09pm |
re: #336 erraticsphinx
Didn't mean to offend you personally. Of course there is legitimate opposition of Obama among Southern whites.
But I'm getting sick of people saying "it's a tiny minority!" when it comes to birthers, racists, etc.
It's not a tiny minority, and polls have shown that in the South, it's a majority.
I believe one was posted right here on the front page, if I'm not mistaken..?
I'm trying to find it.
20-30% of Republicans are Creationists; 20-30% of Democrats think Bush knew about 9/11 in advance.
Take your pick...
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harpsicon Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:26:31pm |
re: #352 SixDegrees
To be frank, I think you need to get out more. Far and away, the most racially polarized area in the country that I can think of is the metro Detroit area. Although this isn't overt racism, exactly, but de facto segregation, with a huge concentration of blacks within Detroit's city limits and an equally disparate concentration of whites in the surrounding suburbs. It is unlike any modern urban region I have visited in the country in this regard, and it will be decades before it changes significantly.
Moving into more rural areas of the state, we enter serious KKK country; the organization used to be centered here through the 70s and early 80s, until Tim McVeigh and company's frequent passages through the area drew too much attention from the FBI, and the Grand Pudyanks, or whatever the leaders are called, got a whole lot quieter or left for more private areas, mostly in the western region of the country.
Ohio is another real garden spot when it comes to rural good ol' boys with a fondness for Confederate flags plastered onto their pickups. It's the only place I've ever been accosted over my beard, despite being in late middle age, and was actually concerned enough to keep tabs on where my cell phone was until things ramped down to a more comfortable though still uneasy level.
And a friend who attended Alfred University could tell you some sickening stories about the yocals in that neck of the woods.
I've traveled all over the south and southwest, too, and I've never run across the overt racism you're referring to in anything like the degree you're attributing to the region.
I'm thinking you're seeing and hearing what you desire to see and hear. You'd be advised to apply a more objective cast to your observations and make sure you're not doing more than a little stereotyping yourself.
A gazillion updings.
Martin Luther King had a relatively easy time of it (only dogs and water-hoses!!) in the South, since his appeal to Christianity and right v. wrong resonated with what people thought they believed.
He ran into real trouble in the North, and never had very much success with his message there. The Northern "Christians" were way more concerned with their property values and keeping African-Americans out of their supposedly integrated schools to give him much slack. There were no Bull Connors, but the effect he had was far less, and the South today is far more integrated than a lot of the North.
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Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:28:53pm |
re: #352 SixDegrees
Moving into more rural areas of the state, we enter serious KKK country; the organization used to be centered here through the 70s and early 80s, until Tim McVeigh and company's frequent passages through the area drew too much attention from the FBI, and the Grand Pudyanks, or whatever the leaders are called, got a whole lot quieter or left for more private areas, mostly in the western region of the country.
I have to disagree with you here - I grew up in rural Michigan and there was no presence of the KKK anywhere that I lived. Also, your McVeigh reference is bogus because he was very quickly kicked out of the militia group there because of his radical views. I'm not claiming there was no racism there, but it was definitely not KKK country.
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