No thanks, I’ll leaf well enough alone.

Nature is the best artist.

Lateral symmetry leaves do hold,
Fall foliage becomes bold.

Bold indeed is the person who stands up to Santa:

Yes, I went & looked it up.
You might learn something too.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Gotta get to bed. The store open up an hour earlier for Christmas shoppers this week and next so I have to get to bed earlier. Talk to you all tomorrow.

re: #1 Conservative Moonbat

There hasn’t been a good pun thread in awhile has there? I might just have to plant one.

re: #1 Conservative Moonbat

No thanks, I’ll leaf well enough alone.

Well, in any case, thank you very mulch.

re: #7 ArchangelMichael

There hasn’t been a good pun thread in awhile has there? I might just have to plant one.

That idea might branch out.

re: #7 ArchangelMichael

There hasn’t been a good pun thread in awhile has there? I might just have to plant one.

Do you have a good sense of humus?

There are many here among us
who feel that life is but a joke

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

Sell it all, so you can go home early!
{{DF}}

re: #9 Gus 802

That idea might branch out.

Hey, this bud’s for you!

re: #10 ryannon

It’s gonna take root!

re: #7 ArchangelMichael

Guilty, I was involved in one last night, it didn’t start out as one tho.

re: #15 sngnsgt

He was grafted!

re: #14 Floral Giraffe

It’s gonna take root!

And doubtlessly blossom all over the place.

re: #16 Floral Giraffe

He was grafted!

Bet that made him bark.

re: #17 ryannon

And pollinate everything!

re: #16 Floral Giraffe

He was grafted!

That’s no excuse.

By their fruits shall they be known.

re: #20 ryannon

Wood n’t you know it!

re: #20 ryannon

That’s no excuse.

By their fruits shall they be known.

Great, now I feel like I’m out on a limb.

re: #22 Gus 802

Hanging by a vine?

I’ll just leave this here for people to digitally leaf through… (NSFW for artsy nudes)

re: #23 Floral Giraffe

Hanging by a vine?

No crown for me.

Excuse me, folks, but I’m outta here. Business to take care of before everything starts going to seed….

re: #26 ryannon

Excuse me, folks, but I’m outta here. Business to take care of before everything starts going to seed…

Well make sure you weed it all out before you come back for more.

re: #7 ArchangelMichael

There hasn’t been a good pun thread in awhile has there? I might just have to plant one.

Pining for one?

I’d love to stay & play, but I must get some sleep.
Looking forward to reading the rest of your puns in the AM.
{{Lizardia}}
Be well & take care of yourselves.
We need you.

This whole thread has just gone to pot.

re: #22 Gus 802

Great, now I feel like I’m out on a limb.

I’m stumped.

re: #31 Sharmuta

Weeding through it now…

re: #25 Gus 802

No crown for me.

Good they usually have thorns.

re: #31 Sharmuta

I’m stumped.

Maybe we should put on some bluegrass.

re: #30 JasonA

This whole thread has just gone to pot.

Maybe things will spruce up shortly.

re: #2 Sharmuta

Nature is the best artist.

These photos are very bright and chlorophyll.

re: #35 Sharmuta

Maybe things will spruce up shortly.

I’m bushed just reading this thread.

re: #36 ArchangelMichael

These photos are very bright and chlorophyll.

You’re a real pistil aren’t you.

Yo, Ho, Ho, Santas in town…

Ghetto Santa Christmas Rap

re: #36 ArchangelMichael

These photos are very bright and chlorophyll.

I’m bushed just reading this thread.

re: #40 boredtechindenver

You know what they say- life’s a beech.

re: #41 Sharmuta

You know what they say- life’s a beech.

And then you dye!

re: #37 boredtechindenver

I’m bushed just reading this thread.

re: #40 boredtechindenver

I’m bushed just reading this thread.

You seem to be lacking stamen-a.

re: #42 Floral Giraffe

And then you dye!

Shoot. I was thinking about that one.

Maple I’m stamen up too late tonight.

re: #44 Gus 802

You’re sprouting shoots?
Watch out, you’ll get all viney soon!

Must go dormant NOW!

re: #46 Floral Giraffe

You’re sprouting shoots?
Watch out, you’ll get all viney soon!

That would be about my caliper.

Are we sapped out of puns?

Now I’m on tendrilhooks as I read.

re: #49 Sharmuta

Are we sapped out of puns?

My mind is starting to wilt.

re: #51 ArchangelMichael

My mind is starting to wilt.

No talk about watering any trees of liberty!

re: #49 Sharmuta

Are we sapped out of puns?

No, we’re still In Bloom.

re: #49 Sharmuta

Are we sapped out of puns?

I’m sure some more’ll crop up.

re: #54 JasonA

I’m sure some more’ll crop up.

Pepper things up?

re: #49 Sharmuta

Are we sapped out of puns?

They’re sprouting all over the place. =)

You just have to separate the wheat from the chaff.

re: #52 Gus 802

No talk about watering any trees of liberty!

I won’t pollenate the thread with any Paulian talking points.

re: #58 ArchangelMichael

I won’t pollenate the thread with any Paulian talking points.

No wacky tobacco!

re: #58 ArchangelMichael

I won’t pollenate the thread with any Paulian talking points.

Yeah, let’s not allow any sowing of seeds of discontent. =)

Bad things might take root. =)

Leaf me Alone!

re: #60 Summer

Yeah, let’s not allow any sowing of seeds of discontent. =)

I’m allergic to Paullen and Spores.

We should really branch out into another topic. =)

re: #53 Girth

Ah! Nirvana ripeness… like nectar.

re: #63 ArchangelMichael

I’m allergic to Paullen and Spores.

We must mow the grass of liberty every week!

re: #60 Summer

Yeah, let’s not allow any sowing of seeds of discontent. =)

Oh, beehive yourself.

re: #61 Summer

Bad things might take root. =)

What she sed.
Oh, vi did I have to go there?

re: #64 Summer

We should really branch out into another topic. =)

It was easy to germinate one pun thread. Don’t know if I have another one to cultivate.

Well, we could all try to be less wooden in our approach. =)

re: #61 Summer

Bad things might take root. =)

And who knows what might stem from that?

re: #70 Summer

Well, we could all try to be less wooden in our approach. =)

I feel like I’m lumbering along.

re: #72 Gus 802

I feel like I’m lumbering along.

I’m stumped. Again.

re: #67 Sharmuta

Oh, beehive yourself.

My bark is worse than my bite! =)

re: #74 Summer

My bark is worse than my bite! =)

If yew say so.

OT - Create TV has Gwennith P and Michael Stipe eating gourmet food. Both of them make anorexics look rubenesque. And this is with the camera adding 10 pounds.

I’ll try not to opine too much more. =)

Okay that’s enough punny stuff for me. I’m gonna get back to reading stuff before sleep. Night all. =)

re: #77 Summer

I’ll try not to opine too much more. =)

oooh, a vegetation and unix pun in one.

re: #75 Girth

If yew say so.

That might spruce things up.

re: #66 Gus 802

We must mow the grass of liberty every week!

We could talk about the Birchers…

re: #81 ArchangelMichael

We could talk about the Birchers…

I’d rather drink hemlock.

Phew…got out before it got too thorny! =)

re: #66 Gus 802

We must mow the grass of liberty every week!

Don’t forget to fertilize every other November.

re: #81 ArchangelMichael

We could talk about the Birchers…

Or the hollydays.

re: #83 Summer

Phew…got out before it got too thorny! =)

Just in the nick of thyme!

re: #86 Sharmuta

Just in the nick of thyme!

Fir crying out loud! ;)

re: #85 Sharmuta

Or the hollydays.

The burning bush comes in Easter.

I’d like to conifer with you all about the direction of the thread.

re: #89 ArchangelMichael

I’d like to conifer with you all about the direction of the thread.

We’ll need a pear of eyes.

re: #89 ArchangelMichael

I’d like to conifer with you all about the direction of the thread.

Are you thinking we need to branch out?

re: #91 Sharmuta

Are you thinking we need to branch out?

Magic 8-Ball says:

It is deciduously so.

re: #92 Girth

Magic 8-Ball says:

It is deciduously so.

No. 1

The Larch

re: #93 Gus 802

No. 1

The Larch

Major Monty Python points for you.

Well played, sir.

re: #94 Girth

Major Monty Python points for you.

Well played, sir.

I need a shrubbery!

re: #92 Girth

I think we should put it to a vote, and the marjoram wins.

re: #96 Sharmuta

I think we should put it to a vote, and the marjoram wins.

My sage advice to myself is that I need to go to bed.

re: #93 Gus 802

I’m still laughing at this.

re: #97 Girth

My sage advice to myself is that I need to go to bed.

Is it that thyme?

re: #95 ArchangelMichael

I need a shrubbery!

Ni!

“Why don’t you make like a tree, and get outta here?”

re: #100 Sharmuta

“Why don’t you make like a tree, and get outta here?”

We forgot to water the thread and it died.

Later folks.

re: #101 ArchangelMichael

We forgot to water the thread and it died.

I blame Bush.

Going to plant myself in bed now.

Goodnight, and may your puns bear much fruit.

I’m plum punned out. Any other late night lizards about?

Foreign Ministry spokewoman Jiang Yu said Tuesday there had been “some regression” on the part of developed countries, who had “put forward a plethora” of demands on developing countries.

She said it “will hamper the Copenhagen conference.”

China and the United States are the world’s top two carbon polluters and have been at odds in Copenhagen.

Beijing’s view is that the US and other rich nations have a heavy historical responsibility to cut emissions, and any climate deal should take into account a country’s development level

China accuses developed countries on climate

Poor countries agree to resume climate talks

The European Union says poor countries have stopped their boycott of climate change negotiations at Copenhagen and have found a solution to their dispute with rich nations.

Calling China a “developing nation” is a joke.

As others have pointed out, China is the world’s largest CO2 emitter, and it pumps out something like 5 times the CO2 per dollar of GDP than the US, indicating that China is using grossly inefficient production methods that are essentially unregulated.

Here’s a plan: demand that China do what the US did years ago and install scrubbers on their smokestacks and emission control systems on their vehicles. My prediction, based on the figures cited, is that this would result in at least a 75% reduction in CO2 emissions from China.

Oh, wait - they’re demanding that the rest of the “developed” world, of which they’re somehow not a part, pay for any such measures, and that it’s mostly the US that should do the paying. Again. After paying for our own improvements in this area already.

I have a feeling this conference is going to be every bit as successful as Kyoto.

re: #108 SixDegrees

Calling China a “developing nation” is a joke.

What defines “developing nation”?

Per capita income?
Per capita net wealth?
Percentage of populace in agriculture?
Percentage of households electrified?

???

re: #109 freetoken

What defines “developing nation”?

Per capita income?
Per capita net wealth?
Percentage of populace in agriculture?
Percentage of households electrified?

???

By CO2 emissions, a direct measure of manufacturing ability which is the traditional measure of development.

And that’s what everone wants to reduce. CO2 emissions.

Allowing China to do nothing, or only what other countries pay for, is a joke.

Violent morning abroad:

‘Ten killed’ in Philippines as troops attack rebels

At least nine communist rebels have been killed in a raid by the Philippine army in southern Mindanao island, an army official has said.

Pakistan ‘terrorist’ blast kills 10, buries dozens

A suspected car bomb ripped through a market near the home of a politician in central Pakistan on Tuesday, killing at least 10 people and wounding 25 including relatives of the lawmaker.

re: #111 freetoken

Violent morning abroad:

‘Ten killed’ in Philippines as troops attack rebels

Local populists are invoking the spirit of ‘86 in protesting the Martial Law they enacted in the massacre provinces.

Morning people. Hope all is well.

re: #113 RogueOne

Considering I have no reason to see any sort of hope in humanity and human society, things are actually going quite dapper! 8D

re: #114 laZardo

Considering I have no reason to see any sort of hope in humanity and human society, things are actually going quite dapper! 8D

Glad to see you’re keeping a positive outlook on things.

re: #115 RogueOne

Considering human existence is ultimately futile, it’s actually an opportunity to squeeze as much fun out of our conscious time as possible. (:

re: #116 laZardo

Considering human existence is ultimately futile, it’s actually an opportunity to squeeze as much fun out of our conscious time as possible. (:

Exactly. I remind people all the time about life being too short to sweat the small shit. Besides, it could always be worse.

re: #117 RogueOne

Besides, it could always be worse.

For one, I could still live in Detroit. Right Six? ;)

Arnold at Copenhagen, with the Gov. of Sao Paulo, coming up next, live:

[Link: www5.cop15.meta-fusion.com…]

Capillaries suck.

The power of star power: the room with the Governator has all seats filled, while the press conference by some people from the small islands, who are arguing for a 1.5C change limit, gets just a handful of people.

re: #120 yitzy

Capillaries suck.

In bed.

You guys can scratch this off my christmas list:

Couple charged after fetus is found in gift box

McALLEN — A South Texas couple has been charged with abuse of a corpse and tampering with evidence after a fetus was found in a gift box

[Link: www.chron.com…]

re: #118 RogueOne

For one, I could still live in Detroit. Right Six? ;)

There’s that.

re: #117 RogueOne

Exactly. I remind people all the time about life being too short to sweat the small shit. Besides, it could always be worse.

Don’t sweat the petty and don’t pet the sweaty.

re: #117 RogueOne

Exactly. I remind people all the time about life being too short to sweat the small shit. Besides, it could always be worse.

Really? Only in Spanish on Youtube?

I just saw A-Rod running on Fox.

Oh, my goodness, gracious, sake’s alive! Tight butt drive me nuts. This guy,… Ooh.

re: #121 freetoken

Star fucking is “As American as Apple Pie.”
-Mr. Wuhl Goes To College

Tight butts drive me nuts.

re: #129 MandyManners

I was willing to “turn the other cheek” on that typo.

You could bounce a tire iron off his sweet cheeks.

And, those thighs!!!

re: #131 MandyManners

You could bounce a tire iron off his sweet cheeks.

Easy there….

re: #131 MandyManners

And he’d say, “OUCH! WTF? A TIRE IRON? ARE YOU NUTS?!?!”

just sayin’…

Bush administration era emails recovered—but who recovered them?

Former Bush White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said the 22 million e-mails already had been recovered while Bush was still in office and that misleading statements about the former administration’s work demonstrate “a continued anti-Bush agenda, nearly a year after a new president was sworn in.’’

“The liberal groups CREW and National Security Archive litigate for sport, distort the facts and have consistently tried to create a spooky conspiracy out of standard IT issues,’’ Stanzel said.

The 22 million e-mails “would never have been found but for our lawsuits and pressure from Capitol Hill,’’ said Anne Weismann, chief counsel for CREW. “It was only then that they did this reanalysis and found as a result that there were 22 million e-mails that they were unable to account for before.’’

‘Morning, all.

re: #132 MandyManners

And, those thighs!!!

Do you want us to leave so you can be alone?
//

Via FARK:

Remember the Brit who was arrested after beating an attacker who took his family hostage? The Nanny State has just sentenced him to two-and-a-half years while his “victim” is spared

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

Maybe Ice and Jimmah should consider just staying here when they come back for the wedding. In my state I could have put a bullet in both of these guys and gotten a pat on the back.

Gee, looks like I’ve gotten a little behind here.
Good Morning LGF.

Falling leaves music for a foggy morning:

re: #137 RogueOne

Via FARK:

Remember the Brit who was arrested after beating an attacker who took his family hostage? The Nanny State has just sentenced him to two-and-a-half years while his “victim” is spared

No doubt Samizdata blog will have a terrific smackdown on this travesty.

I bet you could wash clothes on his abs.

re: #141 MandyManners

I bet you could wash clothes on his abs.

And I bet you’d like to.

Weren’t we talking last week about how schools have gone completely nuts?

Taunton second-grader suspended over drawing of Jesus

A Taunton father is outraged after his 8-year-old son was sent home from school and required to undergo a psychological evaluation after drawing a stick-figure picture of Jesus Christ on the cross.

The father said he got a call earlier this month from Maxham Elementary School informing him that his son, a second-grade student, had created a violent drawing. The image in question depicted a crucified Jesus with Xs covering his eyes to signify that he had died on the cross. The boy wrote his name above the cross.

[Link: www.tauntongazette.com…]

re: #143 RogueOne

Weren’t we talking last week about how schools have gone completely nuts?

Taunton second-grader suspended over drawing of Jesus

[Link: www.tauntongazette.com…]

I wonder if the ACLU will jump into action.

re: #141 MandyManners

I bet you could wash clothes on his abs.

Hand laundry?

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wonder if the ACLU will jump into action.

Probably.

They do so often enough

And good morning.

re: #146 Obdicut

Probably.

They do so often enough

And good morning.

I recall them going to bat for a kid wearing a shirt that said something like “Islam is Evil” or something like that not long ago. I should have said I wasn’t being snarky.

re: #147 Cannadian Club Akbar

I recall them going to bat for a kid wearing a shirt that said something like “Islam is Evil” or something like that not long ago. I should have said I wasn’t being snarky.

No problem. I wasn’t being snarky back, just like that website for its clarity. And its zesty red font.

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wonder if the ACLU will jump into action.

Well, thankfully the ACLU in Indiana they’re fighting for the right of teen girls to take skanky photos of themselves so I guess I’ll put them back on my xmas card list:

Suspension Over Sexy Slumber Party Photos Leads to ACLU Lawsuit

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

re: #143 RogueOne

Weren’t we talking last week about how schools have gone completely nuts?

Taunton second-grader suspended over drawing of Jesus

[Link: www.tauntongazette.com…]

Are they trying to crucify the kid out of concern that he may have a crucifixion complex?///

re: #150 Spare O’Lake

Are they trying to crucify the kid out of concern that he may have a crucifixion complex?///

War on Christmas Part 38

re: #149 RogueOne

Well, thankfully the ACLU in Indiana they’re fighting for the right of teen girls to take skanky photos of themselves so I guess I’ll put them back on my xmas card list:

Suspension Over Sexy Slumber Party Photos Leads to ACLU Lawsuit

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

Two Indiana teenagers whose sexually suggestive slumber party pictures made their way into the hands of the high school principal are fighting back against what they say is an unfair suspension from athletics for activities that took place off school grounds.

How’d that happen?

Good morning everyone. I finally found an issue I can support and stand behind. I’m talking, of course about the movement to make Ziggy Wear Pants!

re: #152 Cannadian Club Akbar

Two Indiana teenagers whose sexually suggestive slumber party pictures made their way into the hands of the high school principal are fighting back against what they say is an unfair suspension from athletics for activities that took place off school grounds.

How’d that happen?

He probably has a thumbdrive full of ‘em.

re: #142 SixDegrees

And I bet you’d like to.

in bed

More good news for my town, there is a new Nestle plant that just went up here last year and they’re already adding on to it. Looks like Michigan is going to help out, Thanks Michigan!

[Link: www.mlive.com…]

GRAND RAPIDS — Lt. Gov. John Cherry is floating a plan to save the Michigan Promise scholarship by charging companies 10 cents for every bottle of water produced in the state

I think the Michigan economic plan is to see how high unemployment has to go before the feds step in and take over the whole damn state.

re: #156 RogueOne

My fiancee is from Michigan/Ohio. I went there to visit her family— wonderful people— and was literally shocked by the miasma of depression in the area. There was just a sense of a lack of hope in so many people, and most of the young people I talked to just talked about getting the hell out of there.

re: #157 Obdicut

My fiancee is from Michigan/Ohio. I went there to visit her family— wonderful people— and was literally shocked by the miasma of depression in the area. There was just a sense of a lack of hope in so many people, and most of the young people I talked to just talked about getting the hell out of there.

Isn’t Ohio highly dependent on manufacturing?

re: #157 Obdicut

Last year comcast bought a local cable company in Indiana and closed down all the local production/billing offices here. They kept a majority of the old cable company employees and even offered large raises to move to their corporate hq in MI. Of the 6 people I know who took the offer and moved, 4 have already quit and moved back.

re: #148 Obdicut

No problem. I wasn’t being snarky back, just like that website for its clarity. And its zesty red font.

It’s too early for zesty (nevermind that i live in the EST).

Tell your fiancee i’m sorry - lived in Cleveland for a long time. Great people. Glad i left, regardless.

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

Isn’t Wasn’t Ohio highly dependent on manufacturing?

ftfy

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes, but there’s little left.

re: #159 RogueOne

Yeah… I couldn’t live there. My fiancee is trying like hell to get her parents, and her aunts, and her grandmother, to move the hell out of there, but they need to sell their houses for a decent price to do so, and selling houses in a suburb of Toledo is not exactly the easiest thing to do.

It’s one reason it annoys me whenever people say that people can always flee a local, state-level government; not if you’ve got a house to sell, you can’t.

re: #162 Obdicut

Yep. One of the mindsets that our fellow citizens would do well to abandon is the notion of “house = security”.

A mortgage is a liability to be paid off asap, so that as little interest $ as possible is wasted and so that larger life decisions aren’t further complicated by the disposal of a large mortgage.

On one hand, it’s easier said than done. On the other hand, sometimes it’s as simple as being more conservative with a purchase…smaller energy bill + smaller mortgage = a house that’s quickly paid in full…and a smaller carbon footprint! (insert choir of angels here)

re: #153 Mad Al-Jaffee

Good morning everyone. I finally found an issue I can support and stand behind. I’m talking, of course about the movement to make Ziggy Wear Pants!

Somehow I don’t think that’s gonna fly. Morning Lizards.

Morning Lizards. For your downdinging pleasure..
Scientist quoted by Al Gore denies Gore’s claim

“It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,” Dr Maslowski said. “I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

Good morning lizards.

40 Congressmen Call on Special Ops Commander to Dismiss Case Brought Against Navy SEALs over Alleged Punching of Terrorist

(CNSNews.com) - Forty members of Congress are calling on the military commander who ordered the court martial of three Navy SEALs over the alleged punching of a terrorist to dismiss the charges.

The letter, circulated by Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.), was sent Thursday to Army Major Gen. Charles T. Cleveland, commander of Special Operation Command Central. Gen. Cleveland ordered the prosecution of the three SEALs.

“In our opinion, prosecutorial discretion should have been exercised,” the 40 congressmen said. “Failing that, we respectfully and strongly urge you to exercise your leadership authority, stop the impending court martial and exonerate these men.”

Earlier, 33 House Members had signed a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates asking him to intervene in the case. That letter had been circulated by Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.). Military law experts told CNSNews.com, however, that the Defense secretary’s ability to intervene in a court martial could be limited.

U.S. congressmen representing two of the SEALs’ home districts signed the letters. Only Republican members signed the letters.

50 million blinds recalled as strangulation hazard. Am I the only one who finds this a bit crazy? There have been only 8 deaths going back to 2001. It’s sad but I wonder how many of the children who died were unattended.

re: #166 njdhockeyfan

Good morning lizards.

40 Congressmen Call on Special Ops Commander to Dismiss Case Brought Against Navy SEALs over Alleged Punching of Terrorist

Only Republican members signed the letter? Color me shocked. Or not.

re: #163 Aceofwhat?

Yep. One of the mindsets that our fellow citizens would do well to abandon is the notion of “house = security”.

A mortgage is a liability to be paid off asap, so that as little interest $ as possible is wasted and so that larger life decisions aren’t further complicated by the disposal of a large mortgage.

On one hand, it’s easier said than done. On the other hand, sometimes it’s as simple as being more conservative with a purchase…smaller energy bill + smaller mortgage = a house that’s quickly paid in full…and a smaller carbon footprint! (insert choir of angels here)

I’m a big fan of Dave Ramsey, even if I don’t have the discipline myself to do all the household budgeting he recommends. But plenty of people call in to say that, once they got on a strict budget, it was as if money was coming from nowhere.

re: #163 Aceofwhat?

I agree completely.

What Michigan/Ohio really needs is jobs creating solar, wind, etc.— there’s a little there, but we’re letting China do way too much of that. We need to grab hold of next-gen industries.

re: #170 Obdicut

I agree completely.

What Michigan/Ohio really needs is jobs creating solar, wind, etc.— there’s a little there, but we’re letting China do way too much of that. We need to grab hold of next-gen industries.

Both Solar and Wind projects in Michigan would end up being a waste of money.

re: #169 The Sanity Inspector

I was dirt poor (as in, scrambling to make rent, phone, and electric bill every month, having no cushion, etc.) for a number of years, and it gave me a very good perspective on being careful with careless expenditures.

re: #171 RogueOne

Why? I meant building the tech, not building solar/wind farms, in case I wasn’t clear.

Anyone see the Biden interview on Morning Joe? I just rewound my DVR to catch it.

re: #172 Obdicut

I meant building the tech, not building solar/wind farms, in case I wasn’t clear.

That makes more sense.

re: #174 RogueOne

That makes more sense.

Sorry, still on my first 3/4 cup of coffee. One thing I did meet out there which was both sad but hopeful, was a lot of knowledgeable machinists and tool-and-die guys, of all ages… there’s a workforce just dying for work out there.

Morning Lizards. A frigid day here in the wild north country, actual air temperatures just below 0 degrees F and wind chills dipping below -20. Anybody for a nice cup of hot chocolate?

re: #169 The Sanity Inspector

If it wasn’t for Dave Ramsey I’d be in deep doo doo right now. Lost my job in September. Luckily I have no credit card debt, no car payment and a very low house payment. I’m making it on unemployment (or fun-employment as I call it) with money left over. Most people I know are in trouble.

re: #138 Spare O’Lake

Gee, looks like I’ve gotten a little behind here.
Good Morning LGF.

Is it tight?

re: #177 KenJen

It really saved my ass that I simply never got a credit card. If I’d had credit card debt during my poor-as-hell period, I don’t know how I would have ever gotten out. Best of luck to you, and I hope you find a decent job soon.

re: #143 RogueOne

Weren’t we talking last week about how schools have gone completely nuts?

Taunton second-grader suspended over drawing of Jesus

[Link: www.tauntongazette.com…]

I’d sue the living fuck out of that district.

ARGH. Talk about both sides of congress being stuck on stupid.

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) is proposing amendments to the Senate bill that would give people who are eligible for coverage through their employer the option of buying cheaper coverage from the new insurance exchanges — and pocketing the difference.
…
Lawmakers in both parties have been loath to bring up the idea in the recent debate. Democrats say focusing on health-care providers is a more powerful way to rein in costs, while Republicans, despite arguing that the bills do too little to control spending, stress other steps such as changing medical malpractice laws.

GAAAAH! Because heaven forbid we have more than one prong in our approach!

*sob*

re: #178 MandyManners

Is it tight?

Wow, you get started early!

re: #182 Aceofwhat?

Wow, you get started early!

In bed.

re: #182 Aceofwhat?

Wow, you get started early!

It was alot earlier than that post. Look upstream.

re: #179 Obdicut

Thanks. I’m trying to get on with the state. Got a lot of good prospects going.

re: #184 Cannadian Club Akbar

It was alot earlier than that post. Look upstream.

I daren’t. And i need more tea. Be back in a flash…

re: #178 MandyManners

Is it tight?

Right in the middle of the holidays? Fat chance. No pun intended.

re: #167 KenJen

50 million blinds recalled as strangulation hazard. Am I the only one who finds this a bit crazy? There have been only 8 deaths going back to 2001. It’s sad but I wonder how many of the children who died were unattended.

Oh, for fuck’s sake. So, kids whose parents screw up once deserve to die?

re: #173 RogueOne

Anyone see the Biden interview on Morning Joe? I just rewound my DVR to catch it.

I’d rather crawl over Ebola-infected shards of glass than watch that blithering idiot.

Stupid Thing of the Week: Minors and moonshine

Not too much doubt about the winner of the Stupid Thing of the Week award this time around. For pure idiocy, you just can’t top selling moonshine out of a daycare center. That’s what Gwendolyn Brown-Johnson and her husband, Artis Johnson, were charged with at their daycare operation off Tuckaseegee Rd.

What made the case even more award-worthy was Brown-Johnson’s Web site description of her center as a place where local youth are counseled to avoid alcohol and drugs.

The real topper, though, was Brown-Johnson’s explanation for the arrest, in which she claimed that she loaned $80 to a man from Gaston County, who gave her a package to hold until a woman came by to pick it up. The woman turned out to be an Alcohol Law Enforcement agent, who promptly arrested the daycare center owner. Brown-Johnson says she had no idea what was in the package, and that she had been set up by a neighbor who hates her for working with code enforcement in the neighborhood. So far, we’ve heard of no one who actually believes her.

re: #182 Aceofwhat?

Wow, you get started early!

w00t

re: #189 MandyManners

I’d rather crawl over Ebola-infected shards of glass than watch that blithering idiot.

Figured it might be good for a laugh. So far, not so much.

re: #188 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck’s sake. So, kids whose parents screw up once deserve to die?

That’s not what I meant Mandy. I don’t get the recall of 50 million blinds over 8 deaths in a span of 8 years.

re: #181 Aceofwhat?

Congress makes simple things extremely complicated. Imagine what they’d do with Health Care.

re: #193 KenJen

That’s not what I meant Mandy. I don’t get the recall of 50 million blinds over 8 deaths in a span of 8 years.

Went back and read my post. Okay your right. I should have left off the unattended part. I just get frustrated with some of this stuff.

I’m done decorating. All the flowerboxes on my deck have gobs of ropes of evergreen cascading down (yeah, I’m so freakin’ artistic—I said “cascading) from them and each box has loops of red and gold fabric stuck in them. One flowerbox 10 feet and and with 120 feet of deck, that’s 12 freakin’ flowerboxes. Oh, I forgot the ones at the the ends of the deck and those over the stairs going up/down where the freakin’ deck splits. Inside, I have ropes of once-live/now-dead evergreen on every single fucking inch of banister. Each fireplace’s mantle is be-fucking-decked with the same. It smells like a Druid’s whore-house here.

Just call me Martha-Fucking-Stewart.

Mexico: Grammy winner sang at drug cartel’s party

TEPOZTLAN, Mexico – When soldiers raided a drug cartel’s Christmas party south of Mexico City, they found 16 automatic rifles, $280,000 in cash — and a Latin Grammy winner.

The presence of the Texas-based norteno singer Ramon Ayala at the gathering in a wealthy, gated-community and the lavish festivities showed the audacity of Mexico’s drug cartels amid a government crackdown that has sent thousands of soldiers and police to track them down.

A spokesman for the federal Attorney General’s Office said Monday that Ayala was released after being questioned because authorities found no grounds for charging him with a crime.

Mexican norteno bands often sing about drug trafficking and violence and many have been rumored to perform at drug traffickers’ weddings and other parties, but few have been caught.

re: #193 KenJen

That’s not what I meant Mandy. I don’t get the recall of 50 million blinds over 8 deaths in a span of 8 years.

What is the appropriate number of deaths? It’s not as though making a safe string is high-tech.

Interesting story, the complete opposite end of the spectrum from the school drawing story:

Does N.C. City Councilman’s Avowed Atheism Bar Him From Office?

The story goes like this: Bothwell was elected to the city council last month, and was sworn in last Monday. During his swearing in, he used an alternate oath that does not require officials to swear on a Bible or refer to “Almighty God.”
…..
But such statements are not sitting well with conservative advocates, who, according to the AP, cite a little-noticed quirk in North Carolina’s Constitution that disqualifies officeholders “who shall deny the being of Almighty God.” The provision was included when the document was drafted in 1868 and was not revised when North Carolina amended its Constitution in 1971

So, according to their state constitution you have to believe in God in order to hold office. That would be an interesting USSC case.

re: #199 RogueOne

Story Link:
[Link: blogs.wsj.com…]

re: #198 Decatur Deb

What is the appropriate number of deaths? It’s not as though making a safe string is high-tech.

Let’s recall all string then. All the string ever made.

I’m just oozing with Christmas spirit.

re: #201 KenJen

Let’s recall all string then. All the string ever made.

How about all string that is shaped like a noose and is at the head height of a toddler?

re: #189 MandyManners

I’d rather crawl over Ebola-infected shards of glass than watch that blithering idiot.

Ebola’s not a blood-borne pathogen, so you’d probably be safe doing that. :)

re: #195 KenJen

Went back and read my post. Okay your right. I should have left off the unattended part. I just get frustrated with some of this stuff.

Yep. Kidproofing your kid’s room and then leaving for a second to answer the phone (or hell, just letting them play a little by themselves) isn’t unattended. And blinds ought to be the sort of thing that kills 0 kids in 50 million instances.

re: #201 KenJen

Let’s recall all string then. All the string ever made.

Ladies, you have to come in personally and have our experts remove your thong or string bikini. We wouldn’t want you to injure yourselves!

Now, before I spread any more Chrismas cheer, I’m outta’ here.

re: #196 MandyManners

Just call me Martha-Fucking-Stewart.

Who is Stewart? :)

re: #201 KenJen

Let’s recall all string then. All the string ever made.

The blind problem was identified more than 20 years ago. The reason there are so few deaths now is the voluntary industry standard. This blindmaker violated it.

[Link: www.window-blind-cord-lawyers.com…]

re: #208 Mad Al-Jaffee

Who is Stewart? :)

The guy Martha is… never mind!

re: #209 Decatur Deb

The blind problem was identified more than 20 years ago. The reason there are so few deaths now is the voluntary industry standard. This blindmaker violated it.

[Link: www.window-blind-cord-lawyers.com…]

That info was not in the article I read. Thanks Deb.

re: #196 MandyManners

Nah. We’ll call you Ueleda. It’s better.

Decent article about China jumping into green tech. Even more interesting are the slideshows and interactive graphics.

The NYTimes can kiss my a$$.

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

Good morning. Please excuse me while I share some local pride:

sacbee.com…

Go boys! Give em hell!

Durbin says Dems will have enough votes to pass healthcare next week

re: #214 Locker

Good morning. Please excuse me while I share some local pride:

sacbee.com…

Go boys! Give em hell!

My old skool plays friday night in the championship game in Orlando at the Citrus Bowl. Woo Hoo!!!

re: #215 SteveC

Not surprising in the least. But let’s see if the Democrats’ math is accurate.

re: #217 lawhawk

Not surprising in the least. But let’s see if the Democrats’ math is accurate.

I’m hoping that they can’t count worth a crap.

Public Option (probably) dead

re: #217 lawhawk

nice profile pic. hitchhiker’s guide, right?

Durbin was on MSNBC. Me think he is just throwing out red meat.

re: #189 MandyManners

I’d rather crawl over Ebola-infected shards of glass than watch that blithering idiot.

I don’t like Joe Scarborough much myself.

re: #216 Cannadian Club Akbar

My old skool plays friday night in the championship game in Orlando at the Citrus Bowl. Woo Hoo!!!

Congratulations man. Good luck to your boys!

I’ll try and post this near the top, but the ice core data is destroying the AGW theory:

here and here and here. This is hard data based on chemistry (physical processes, not biological). It shows how the AGW theory is wrong. It shows equivalent warming in the MWP (something even CRU scientist Keith Briffa states many times in the CRU emails regarding his tree ring proxies). It shows the amount of disinformation being spread.

Charles, you felt you were misled to and used when you were skeptical. Let me ask you something, now with more hard data (and hopefully the ability to think past your ego on being possibly wrong twice), who is it really who is being paid by big corporations in this debate?

Anyone know about this?
[Link: washingtonindependent.com…]

Developing: Another terror attack in Pakistan killed at least 20, and wounded dozens in Islamabad. More than 500 people have been killed in recent months in terror attacks by Islamists seeking to stop the Pakistani government from going after the Taliban in the frontier provinces.

Meanwhile, the Times of India is reporting that the CIA may have known about one of the people implicated in the Mumbai terror attacks, David Headley.

Top official sources said that there is a strong suspicion that US agency CIA knew about Headley’s link with Lashkar-e-Taiba one year before Mumbai attack but did not convey it when he was freely travelling across India.

The investigators believe that the US agencies kept away the information from India and never allowed the Pakistani- origin Headley to get “exposed”.

The 39-year old terror suspect, arrested by FBI for his role in Mumbai attacks, had visited India in March 2009 — four months after Mumbai attack carried out by LeT — but FBI still did not inform India that Headley is a LeT operative, apparently fearing he could be arrested in India.

The sources said that they apprehended that if Headley got less punishment in court then India would have a reasonable ground to believe that Headley was a US agent and also working for LeT.

It could also add credence to the belief that there was a plea bargain between Headley and US agencies.

Sources said if Headley gets a jail term of just two to four years then India will press for his extradition after he serves his sentence.

And to round out the terror roundup, Abbas warns no peace talks until Israel recognizes pre-1967 border demands. Thanks for the preconditions, but here’s one that the Palestinians will never accept - a two-state solution with Israel as a Jewish state. Hamas already says they will never recognize Israel and seek Israel’s destruction, and Fatah doesn’t control all of the territory Palestinians already have civil administrative control over - they got whacked from Gaza in 2005-6.

re: #224 AJStrata

So, you’re offering an entry on someone’s blog as scientific evidence?

Let me know when your theories have been peer reviewed, and what journal to find them in. Then we’ll talk.

re: #227 SixDegrees

So, you’re offering an entry on someone’s blog as scientific evidence?

Let me know when your theories have been peer reviewed, and what journal to find them in. Then we’ll talk.

Not only someone’s blog - his own. Nothing like pimping your own blog for hard evidence.

re: #225 Cannadian Club Akbar

Anyone know about this?
[Link: washingtonindependent.com…]

Prepare for a sweeping anmnesty proposal.

They’ve gotta figure out a way to pay for their health care bill somehow. Putting a few million more taxpayers on the roles helps, although it won’t be nearly enough.

Three old Docs

Before a packed auditorium, Drs. Denton Cooley, Edward Singleton and Charles Mullins — representing some 120 years of collective wisdom in pediatric heart surgery, cardiology and radiology — reminisced about the fields’ early breakthroughs, cracked wise about their advancing years and offered advice about how keep the passion burning.

Denton Cooley is 89 years old and can still handle a scalpel. With young children, the heart is roughly the size of their fist. Imagine doing heart surgery when the heart is the size of a walnut. That’s a real OMG! moment if there ever was one.

re: #224 AJStrata

Wow. Still spreading that ‘800 year lag’ canard, eh?

Here’s the refutation, in nifty video format!

Good luck on telling Charles to think beyond his ego, that’s a great plan.

re: #229 SixDegrees

Prepare for a sweeping anmnesty proposal.

They’ve gotta figure out a way to pay for their health care bill somehow. Putting a few million more taxpayers on the roles helps, although it won’t be nearly enough.

And trying to do it while everyone is looking at cap and trade, global warming, or any other distraction.

Good morning, folks. Hope y’all had a fine evening, and hope y’all have a good day.

re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar

And trying to do it while everyone is looking at cap and trade, global warming, or any other distraction.

Gotta love the new transparency.

re: #232 Cannadian Club Akbar

And trying to do it while everyone is looking at cap and trade, global warming, or any other distraction.

google clean water act land grab for some eye popping going on around the corner

re: #165 cliffster

Morning Lizards. For your downdinging pleasure..
Scientist quoted by Al Gore denies Gore’s claim

That’s too bad. I read the original claim the other day and said that finally we would have an irrefutable, definitive answer on global warming within 5-7 years.

re: #227 SixDegrees

So, you’re offering an entry on someone’s blog as scientific evidence?

Let me know when your theories have been peer reviewed, and what journal to find them in. Then we’ll talk.

Don’t hold your breath. Bob Carter whose views the blog posting is based on has stated in the past that he thinks that the role of peer review in science literature is overstressed.

re: #227 SixDegrees

So, you’re offering an entry on someone’s blog as scientific evidence?

Let me know when your theories have been peer reviewed, and what journal to find them in. Then we’ll talk.

I believe all three links go to strata’s own blog as eviidence.

re: #228 thedopefishlives

Not only someone’s blog - his own. Nothing like pimping your own blog for hard evidence.

Bro-ther. I’m going to start a blog about wormholes. Because if it’s on my blog, it’s truuue!

re: #239 Aceofwhat?

Bro-ther. I’m going to start a blog about wormholes. Because if it’s on my blog, it’s truuue!

Quiet you! We told the overlords it would remain secret!… Um… what were we talking about?

re: #235 albusteve

google clean water act land grab for some eye popping going on around the corner

Like this?
[Link: www.atr.org…]

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.govtrack.us…]

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar

Like this?
[Link: www.atr.org…]

yup…
the bill defines U.S. water as “all waters subject to the ebb and flow of the tide, the territorial seas and all interstate and intrastate waters and their tributaries, including lakes, rivers, streams (including intermittent streams), mudflats, sandflats, wetlands, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playa lakes, natural ponds and all impoundments of the foregoing, to the fullest extent that these waters.”

and don’t forget the Kelo decision in 2005

Mark Knopfler + Chet Atkins. Are you worthy?

re: #177 KenJen

If it wasn’t for Dave Ramsey I’d be in deep doo doo right now. Lost my job in September. Luckily I have no credit card debt, no car payment and a very low house payment. I’m making it on unemployment (or fun-employment as I call it) with money left over. Most people I know are in trouble.

Best of luck to you, in climbing your way back into the job market.

re: #244 The Sanity Inspector

Mark Knopfler + Chet Atkins. Are you worthy?

I have the ability to listen, so yes, I believe I am.

*fan of both, wish I had that kind of guitar skills, but keys are my thing.

re: #224 AJStrata

Good Morning! One complication I feel deeply is the fact of exaggeration (at least) in the summaries for the public on both sides of this. This is a natural outcome of the strong advocacy. I am reminded from of my own experience in the gun control arena. NRA et al vs Handgun Control.

Then as now my reaction is to dig deeper. But in AGW the facts are coming from far more complicated models, sources and papers. A person like myself can only escalate the science comprehension so far, given the lifelong training and work that went in to the data gathering and interpretation.

Your point is refuted else where here. I’ll be reading into that later, and I will be interested in your reaction that that refutation.

But I have a direct question for you-For the sake of conversation-If the current climate shift in natural and damaging, and cutting mans emissions would slow this, what then?

Obama’s new program? Cash for caulkers. Hey, I did that the first thing when I moved in and have been incrementally improving home efficiencies since I moved in. Some of the projects would have been done regardless of the availability of tax credits since I’m saving money on heating. A couple tubes of caulk can cost $5 each. Spray foam is similarly priced. You can get R30 insulation for $20 a batt. So, for about $400 I added R30 insulation to the attic, bringing it up to close to R45, and sealed any leaks I could get to in the basement. That’s where the savings comes from, and tax credits or incentives to convert to more efficient homes isn’t actually going to create jobs. It’s just spreading the money around.

Oh, and I got a much more comfortable house in the process.

re: #248 lawhawk

An important addition to those tips would be to have apartment owners step up. They have far less incentive as the tenant pays gas and electric. Renters are limited by the leases.

re: #243 albusteve

yup…
the bill defines U.S. water as “all waters subject to the ebb and flow of the tide, the territorial seas and all interstate and intrastate waters and their tributaries, including lakes, rivers, streams (including intermittent streams), mudflats, sandflats, wetlands, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playa lakes, natural ponds and all impoundments of the foregoing, to the fullest extent that these waters.”

and don’t forget the Kelo decision in 2005

It’s the legalistic equivalent of the Ice 9 problem.

re: #246 MrSilverDragon

I have the ability to listen, so yes, I believe I am.

*fan of both, wish I had that kind of guitar skills, but keys are my thing.

Post a vid & link it! The LGF talent show is long overdue.

re: #235 albusteve

google clean water act land grab for some eye popping going on around the corner

Huh?

re: #247 Rightwingconspirator

I’ll address your last point, since that’s what Copenhagen is looking at - it boils down to costs and burdens.

Who will pay and how much will it cost.

How will it be paid for****

Will countries sacrifice economic growth for emissions controls meant to cut emissions below target levels?

**** dictators look at Copenhagen as a way of enriching themselves. Poor nations want money since they can’t do anything on their own and have their hand out knowing that the rich countries “owe” them. China’s leaders need economic growth to keep the population in check from revolting and that means playing both sides - looking like they’re curtailing emissions all while continuing to grow and emit more than any other nation on the planet (and have the air so thick you can cut it to prove it). The US and Europe are trying to show that they’re serious about emissions reductions, but don’t want to saddle their moribund economies with still more taxes and fees that will stifle economic growth.

re: #252 Spare O’Lake

Huh?

See my 241 and 242.

re: #248 lawhawk

Obama’s new program? Cash for caulkers. Hey, I did that the first thing when I moved in and have been incrementally improving home efficiencies since I moved in. Some of the projects would have been done regardless of the availability of tax credits since I’m saving money on heating. A couple tubes of caulk can cost $5 each. Spray foam is similarly priced. You can get R30 insulation for $20 a batt. So, for about $400 I added R30 insulation to the attic, bringing it up to close to R45, and sealed any leaks I could get to in the basement. That’s where the savings comes from, and tax credits or incentives to convert to more efficient homes isn’t actually going to create jobs. It’s just spreading the money around.

Oh, and I got a much more comfortable house in the process.

One thing I see this program doing is creating a bunch of fly-by-night insulation “experts” with absolutely no experience, taking people’s government-subsidized money and leaving a total mess behind. The people actually doing the substandard work will probably get minimum wage, or close to it, or simply be paid off the books.

re: #248 lawhawk

Obama’s new program? Cash for caulkers. Hey, I did that the first thing when I moved in and have been incrementally improving home efficiencies since I moved in. Some of the projects would have been done regardless of the availability of tax credits since I’m saving money on heating. A couple tubes of caulk can cost $5 each. Spray foam is similarly priced. You can get R30 insulation for $20 a batt. So, for about $400 I added R30 insulation to the attic, bringing it up to close to R45, and sealed any leaks I could get to in the basement. That’s where the savings comes from, and tax credits or incentives to convert to more efficient homes isn’t actually going to create jobs. It’s just spreading the money around.

Oh, and I got a much more comfortable house in the process.

you desreve some sort of award for expressing common sense

re: #252 Spare O’Lake

Huh?

The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee passed S. 787, the Clean Water Restoration Act out of committee June 18 on a party-line vote, bringing the country one step closer to the largest federal land grab in our history