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Most of the change we think we see in life
Is due to truths being in and out of favor.
— Robert Frost
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:27:58pm |
Fresh thread for a fine Friday afternoon. Truths in & out of favor? Oh yes as the partisan tribal pendulum swings scythe like away back and forth. Often thwarting all attempts at sense and sensibility.
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Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:28:23pm |
And the truth of science is rapidly falling out of favor, being replaced instead with the pablum of Religion.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:28:45pm |
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:30:22pm |
Notes on a culinary experiment: goose fat makes a fine oil for frying, and has little taste of it's own, with an apparently high smoke point. And fresh, home-raised eggs, as far as I can tell, don't taste much different from plain old store-bought eggs. But I appreciate them, nonetheless.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:30:33pm |
Truth or fiction?
The president highlighted the "likely" increases of "35 to 39 percent" to suggest insurance companies in general were asking for huge premium increases just to boost their lavish profits. He complained that in the $1.2 trillion health insurance industry, "the five largest insurers made record profits of over $12 billion." But that puny sum includes WellPoint's sale of its pharmacy benefits management company NextRX to Express Scripts for $4.7 billion last April. Adding that $4.7 billion to WellPoint profits is like saying a family's income rose by $1 million because they sold a million-dollar home.
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keloyd Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:30:44pm |
re: #4 Bubblehead II
And the truth of science is rapidly falling out of favor, being replaced instead with the pablum of Religion.
To paraphrase Kissenger, there is religion, then there is religion.
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swamprat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:32:32pm |
re: #4 Bubblehead II
And the truth of science is rapidly falling out of favor, being replaced instead with the pablum of Religion.
We all have truths, are yours the same as mine?
/Pilot, Jesu Christ; SuperStar
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:33:40pm |
re: #7 Rightwingconspirator
Truth or fiction?
The president highlighted the "likely" increases of "35 to 39 percent" to suggest insurance companies in general were asking for huge premium increases just to boost their lavish profits. He complained that in the $1.2 trillion health insurance industry, "the five largest insurers made record profits of over $12 billion." But that puny sum includes WellPoint's sale of its pharmacy benefits management company NextRX to Express Scripts for $4.7 billion last April. Adding that $4.7 billion to WellPoint profits is like saying a family's income rose by $1 million because they sold a million-dollar home.
I found it odd that the insurance companies were singled out for demonization. Doctors and pharmaceutical companies are the ones charging the ever-increasing prices and rates, while insurance companies are the only part of the provider-consumer-coverage cohort that are actively working to reduce costs.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:36:03pm |
NOAA has put together some new webpages that summarize changes in Arctic Sea Ice, and what that may mean:
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:36:10pm |
If you are not into bicycles in a big way, you will not have heard of him, but this guy brought the quality of bicycle parts up to a new standard. May he rest in peace.
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Linden Arden Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:37:05pm |
In 1993 the Dems cut spending by $275 billion in the Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 - the largest spending decrease in US history.
Zero Republicans voted for this bill (there was a top rate tax increase).
Bush the Lesser never tried to cut spending.
Its obvious who the grown-up party is.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:38:28pm |
Apropos of nothing but my own ADDOCD (constantly changing obsessions, with a hat-tip to Dennis Miller) I've been wading through the old census data to try to put together some historical data on median new house price as a percentage of annual median income. It's early in the game (only got about 40 years' data, and want to go back further, if possible), but so far, it looks like I've found ONE of the causes of the wide-spread perception of falling incomes over time. Here's a hint - your house costs you more than it used to; a hell of a lot more.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:38:32pm |
re: #13 Linden Arden
In 1993 the Dems cut spending by $275 billion in the Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 - the largest spending decrease in US history.
Zero Republicans voted for this bill (there was a top rate tax increase).
Bush the Lesser never tried to cut spending.
Its obvious who the grown-up party is.
The one with a supermajority in both houses of Congress and in control of the White House, which can't manage to pass any legislation at all, right?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:38:58pm |
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:39:05pm |
re: #10 SixDegrees
Heh. So the latest idea really is to lionize the insurance companies as the ones trying to cut costs and blame those greedy doctors?
Let me know how that works out for you.
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swamprat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:40:12pm |
re: #10 SixDegrees
I found it odd that the insurance companies were singled out for demonization. Doctors and pharmaceutical companies are the ones charging the ever-increasing prices and rates, while insurance companies are the only part of the provider-consumer-coverage cohort that are actively working to reduce costs.
Malpratice lawyers.... Not mentioned.
Pharmaceutical companies ...Who are they?
Hospitals...They are all good guys, right?
God forbid America honestly addresses the issues, instread of mindlessly regurgitating the pap that we are fed.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:40:24pm |
re: #17 Stanley Sea
Friday's the worst?
Friday. Last block of the day. The place smells like nail polish and Doritos. I am forcibly stopping myself from screaming at children.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:41:11pm |
re: #15 Guanxi88
Apropos of nothing but my own ADDOCD (constantly changing obsessions, with a hat-tip to Dennis Miller) I've been wading through the old census data to try to put together some historical data on median new house price as a percentage of annual median income. It's early in the game (only got about 40 years' data, and want to go back further, if possible), but so far, it looks like I've found ONE of the causes of the wide-spread perception of falling incomes over time. Here's a hint - your house costs you more than it used to; a hell of a lot more.
I'd be interested to hear your final results, especially if they manage to take the last couple year's housing prices into account, after the collapse of the housing bubble.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:41:32pm |
re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist
Friday. Last block of the day. The place smells like nail polish and Doritos. I am forcibly stopping myself from screaming at children.
I can't do any work this block. The volume is too high.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:42:22pm |
re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist
The place smells like nail polish and Doritos.
I hope they are not putting the nail polish on the Doritos.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:42:31pm |
re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist
Friday. Last block of the day. The place smells like nail polish and Doritos. I am forcibly stopping myself from screaming at children.
"Block?"
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:44:18pm |
re: #23 wrenchwench
I hope they are not putting the nail polish on the Doritos.
they sniff it, then eat the Doritos
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:46:55pm |
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:47:26pm |
A bit of somewhat-good news regarding the Haitian adoption fiasco. Although the church members involved were released, their "lawyer" turns out to be a total scumbag, now in custody in the Dominican Republic and facing charges in the United States, El Salvador and Costa Rica. Probably other places, too, from the sounds of it.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:47:45pm |
So someone in Forbes has a piece about a survey Frum conducted of the teabaggers at that March 16th protest. There's a link to the whole survey in there, and a lot of detail, but here's the takeaway:
The Misinformed Tea Party Movement:For an antitax group, they don't know much about taxes
In short, no matter how one slices the data, the Tea Party crowd appears to believe that federal taxes are very considerably higher than they actually are, whether referring to total taxes as a share of GDP or in terms of the taxes paid by a typical family.
Tea Partyers also seem to have a very distorted view of the direction of federal taxes. They were asked whether they are higher, lower or the same as when Barack Obama was inaugurated last year. More than two-thirds thought that taxes are higher today, and only 4% thought they were lower; the rest said they are the same.
As noted earlier, federal taxes are very considerably lower by every measure since Obama became president.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:47:54pm |
re: #24 Walter L. Newton
"Block?"
Period of the school day. We have a 'tumbling block' schedule, which has many educational advantages, and also makes sure that for the first month of school the freshman have no idea at any given moment where they are supposed to be.
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swamprat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:48:27pm |
re: #16 SixDegrees
The one with a supermajority in both houses of Congress and in control of the White House, which can't manage to pass any legislation at all, right?
I blame Bush.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:49:08pm |
re: #29 iceweasel
That's the most goddamn depressing part. What the hell could Obama possibly do to connect with these people? He's literally already given them something they want and they have no clue about it.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:49:12pm |
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keloyd Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:49:51pm |
re: #15 Guanxi88
Ah, but keep in mind the whack-a-mole effect of interest rates. Suppose the typical customer wants the most house he can manage with $x per month payments. (Whipping out the financial calculator), ignoring down payments and taxes, the same 30 years' payments can pay off the $200k house at 4% or a $130k house at 8%. It's the same $955/mo either way to the borrower.
Dropping interest rates indirectly raises prices independently of our trend to buy bigger houses over time. This trend is even more obvious, and harmful, and seldom reported, in the relationship of cheap student loans and tuition, imho.
But I've been goofing off and happy for too long now, later taters!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:49:52pm |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:50:23pm |
re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist
Period of the school day. We have a 'tumbling block' schedule, which has many educational advantages, and also makes sure that for the first month of school the freshman have no idea at any given moment where they are supposed to be.
Got it. I just had no idea what you were referring to... I didn't even know you were a school teacher. Thanks.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:50:29pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:50:29pm |
Remember the "doc fix" memo published then pulled by Politico? From Ryan Grim @ Huffington Post:
The memo was circulated to reporters -- including this one -- by a spokesman to House Minority Leader John Boehner.
It was also just read on the house floor:
UPDATE 3/19 5:20pm: Rep. Scott Garrett (R-N.J.) just read from the memo on the House floor. And Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) responded by ripping him and demanding his source.
"What they're doing is producing fake memos," he said.
"That memo that he read from has no source. He will not return to the microphone to tell us what it was because he took something that was created by the opponents of health care -- and there are a whole lot of them, mostly paid for by the health insurance industry -- and came to the rostrum with a fake document," said Weiner.
Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) interrupted. "Parliamentary inquiry," she yelled.
"I don't yield for that," said Weiner, continuing. "There is no reluctance to talk about the real CBO score: $1.2 trillion in savings for the American people. That's the fact. That's nothing we're hiding from."
"Will the gentleman yield?"
"I will yield only if the person will tell us the source of the document."
A chaotic back-and-forth broke out until Weiner regained the floor.
"Ladies and gentlemen, what you saw just now is a microcosm for this debate: A real piece of legislation that for a year we've been working on and a fake document that they won't even give a source for," he said.
Politico still has not republished it, Breitbart has it front page.
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bratwurst Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:50:40pm |
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:52:38pm |
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:53:00pm |
re: #32 Obdicut
That's the most goddamn depressing part. What the hell could Obama possibly do to connect with these people? He's literally already given them something they want and they have no clue about it.
I think it's been established that they aren't motivated by reason in any sense, but inchoate rage and fear. Some of that is simply because of the economy; had McCain won we still would have seen a certain amount of ongoing panic and anxiety due to the economic situation.
But much of the teabaggers motivation is rage, fear, and specifically directed at the election of the first black POTUS- and he's a Dem.
Fear of a Barack Planet.
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swamprat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:53:21pm |
re: #11 freetoken
NOAA has put together some new webpages that summarize changes in Arctic Sea Ice, and what that may mean:
This has never happened before.
Now we will see how accurate the Piri Reis map is.
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bratwurst Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:53:34pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:54:16pm |
re: #40 Obdicut
I am not shocked it came from Boehner.
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blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:54:36pm |
re: #29 iceweasel
So someone in Forbes has a piece about a survey Frum conducted of the teabaggers at that March 16th protest. There's a link to the whole survey in there, and a lot of detail, but here's the takeaway:
The Misinformed Tea Party Movement:For an antitax group, they don't know much about taxes
Bruce Bartlett. Part of the Reagan economic team who has switched over to the dark side. He writes for Forbes and also for this blog.
[Link: capitalgainsandgames.com...]
Common sense. Who knew?
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swamprat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:54:58pm |
re: #40 Obdicut
Good fucking quote from Weiner there. I like that guy.
I like Weiner.
Not that there is anything wrong with that!
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:55:55pm |
re: #41 iceweasel
I think it's been established that they aren't motivated by reason in any sense, but inchoate rage and fear. Some of that is simply because of the economy; had McCain won we still would have seen a certain amount of ongoing panic and anxiety due to the economic situation.
But much of the teabaggers motivation is rage, fear, and specifically directed at the election of the first black POTUS- and he's a Dem.
Fear of a Barack Planet.
Up ding for one of my favorite words "inchoate." I actually try to work it into every one of my plays. Love that word.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:56:05pm |
re: #39 bratwurst
Smells like...victory.
I love the smell of Doritos and nail polish in the morning. You know, one time we had a study hall, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I woke up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' student. The smell, you know that Doritos and nail polish smell, the whole classroom. Smelled like...
victory. Someday this block's gonna end...
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Jeff In Ohio Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:59:39pm |
Bob, the man with Parkinson's who was targeted by the (Columbus, Oh) Tea Partiers, sat down with ProgressOhio for an interview. He is 60 years old and was first diagnosed with Parkinsons 15 years ago. He has two masters degrees and a Ph.D. from Cornell. He taught at the University of Michigan and worked as a nuclear engineer.
Bob was able to have a $150,000 surgery that greatly increased his quality of life, thanks to Medicare and the Cleveland Clinic. He attended the event in Columbus because he believes in giving back and thinks everyone should have access to affordable health insurance and quality health care.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 2:59:59pm |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
Politico still has not republished it, Breitbart has it front page.
Fuck Politico. They post Drudge-bait incessantly. The top headline on Memeorandum is Dems: Memo On Medicare Changes Isn't Ours -- It's A GOP 'Hoax'.
Politico's version? Not linking:
Democrats challenge authenticity of ‘doc fix’ memo
An earlier post in this spot detailed what was purported by Republicans to be an internal Democratic memo regarding the upcoming health reform vote Sunday. Democratic leadership has challenged the authenticity of the memo. POLITICO has removed the memo and the details about it until we can absolutely verify the document’s origin.
Uh-huh. Nice headline, politico.
They're also running a piece by Bachmann and King:
Obamacare threatens U.S. future
I'm completely disgusted with them now.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:00:10pm |
The Koch funded "Americans for Prosperity" (AFP) are planning to begin next week with a major publicity push against any regulation of carbon. Discussed here:
Americans for Prosperity: Distorting climate change science and economics in well-funded campaign
I expect PJM in particular, but also the entire assortment of denial-o-sphere websites, to pull plenty of talking points from this AFP effort in the coming weeks.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:00:47pm |
re: #7 Rightwingconspirator
Truth or fiction?
I'm guessing fiction. The Cato Institute is full of shit.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:01:29pm |
re: #47 Walter L. Newton
Up ding for one of my favorite words "inchoate." I actually try to work it into every one of my plays. Love that word.
I love that word too! Use it a lot when discussing the tea party people.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:03:06pm |
re: #34 keloyd
Ah, but keep in mind the whack-a-mole effect of interest rates. Suppose the typical customer wants the most house he can manage with $x per month payments. (Whipping out the financial calculator), ignoring down payments and taxes, the same 30 years' payments can pay off the $200k house at 4% or a $130k house at 8%. It's the same $955/mo either way to the borrower.
Dropping interest rates indirectly raises prices independently of our trend to buy bigger houses over time. This trend is even more obvious, and harmful, and seldom reported, in the relationship of cheap student loans and tuition, imho.
But I've been goofing off and happy for too long now, later taters!
But of course I'm looking into that. I've managed to pull in 30 year fixed rates, and am doing some simple modeling (assuming 100% financing, just to avoid ambiguities of amounts financed, full amortization, etc., etc.) And, again, your home (and your home payment) as a percentage of your gross pay, is a lot more than its used to be.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:03:55pm |
US-Israel blowup over nothing.
Ramat Shlomo is not even in "East Jerusalem." It is in North Jerusalem, next to Sanhedria and Ramat Alon.
The blowup is about building more homes for Jews anywhere in Jerusalem.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:04:25pm |
re: #52 Killgore Trout
Speaking of the Cato Institute, the ClimateScienceWatch website which I just linked on the AFP has a companion piece on the Koch brothers
Koch Industries multibillionaire Koch brothers bankroll attacks on climate change science and policy
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:04:50pm |
re: #53 iceweasel
I love that word too! Use it a lot when discussing the tea party people.
Ah, what does it mean again?
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:05:00pm |
Just a reminder that the LHC won't be the end of the earth as we know since there's a new suit out there from a moonbat to stop it.
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:05:01pm |
Ok... now a foot of snow outside... at least... may be time for another picture...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:05:29pm |
re: #56 freetoken
Speaking of the Cato Institute, the ClimateScienceWatch website which I just linked on the AFP has a companion piece on the Koch brothers
Koch Industries multibillionaire Koch brothers bankroll attacks on climate change science and policy
Excellent post.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:05:41pm |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
The memo was circulated to reporters -- including this one -- by a spokesman to House Minority Leader John Boehner.
Heh. The orange man strikes again!
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:05:41pm |
re: #57 Alouette
Ah, what does it mean again?
–adjective
1. not yet completed or fully developed; rudimentary.
2. just begun; incipient.
3. not organized; lacking order: an inchoate mass of ideas on the subject.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:05:56pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:06:11pm |
Note: Rabbi Michael Lerner is now addressing his e-mail missives to 'Dear Tikkunista'.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:06:40pm |
re: #58 Thanos
Just a reminder that the LHC won't be the end of the earth as we know since there's a new suit out there from a moonbat to stop it.
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]
Wow... it would be like something from LOST... in real time.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:06:46pm |
Let the Friday PM musical interlude begin
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:07:11pm |
re: #66 Walter L. Newton
Wow... it would be like something from LOST... in real time.
Paradise for you?
:)
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:07:15pm |
re: #51 freetoken
The Koch funded "Americans for Prosperity" (AFP) are planning to begin next week with a major publicity push against any regulation of carbon. Discussed here:
Americans for Prosperity: Distorting climate change science and economics in well-funded campaign
I expect PJM in particular, but also the entire assortment of denial-o-sphere websites, to pull plenty of talking points from this AFP effort in the coming weeks.
We also have an immigration reform fight coming up. Things could get interesting.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:07:28pm |
re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist
Note: Rabbi Michael Lerner is now addressing his e-mail missives to 'Dear Tikkunista'.
Here is my response to Micheal Lerner... and I will not call him a rabbi and absolutely everyone who wants to unfairly cast Israel.
[Link: www.aish.com...]
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avanti Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:07:37pm |
re: #29 iceweasel
So someone in Forbes has a piece about a survey Frum conducted of the teabaggers at that March 16th protest. There's a link to the whole survey in there, and a lot of detail, but here's the takeaway:
The Misinformed Tea Party Movement:For an antitax group, they don't know much about taxes
Just read a poll about the Crist/Rubio primary. The majority of Rubio supporters don't think Obama was born in the US. There are rational Republicans in Florida, just not enough to prevent a Rubio win.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:07:47pm |
re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist
Note: Rabbi Michael Lerner is now addressing his e-mail missives to 'Dear Tikkunista'.
Is he against Israel building homes for Jews in north Jerusalem?
/why do I even bother to ask?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:07:55pm |
re: #56 freetoken
Speaking of the Cato Institute, the ClimateScienceWatch website which I just linked on the AFP has a companion piece on the Koch brothers
Koch Industries multibillionaire Koch brothers bankroll attacks on climate change science and policy
Indeed. The Birch Society proxies are working overtime.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:08:00pm |
re: #69 freetoken
BIG PHYSICS IS KILLING US!!1!
That is what the particle beams are for... Soon, yes soon bwaaa haaa haaaa haaa!!!!
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Linden Arden Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:08:27pm |
Expect to see Jim DeMint type ChristoFascist heads to explode with Health Care Reform passing this weekend.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:08:42pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Agree. I believe for the coming election that the hot button arguments will be stirred by immigration much more than carbon trading, or even health care. The "forces" seem to be lining up for a major immigration battle beginning soon.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:09:54pm |
re: #73 Alouette
Is he against Israel building homes for Jews in north Jerusalem?
/why do I even bother to ask?
In answer to an earlier discussion about the maxim of mercy to those deserve justice leads to cruelty to those who deserve mercy. I have to strongly disagree with you.
People who deny social justice and work against it are moral criminals.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:10:11pm |
It's amazing what you find when you are doing some pre-cleaning for Passover... one of my ancient coins which I though I lost (I have a couple of hundred). It wasn't an expensive one, but it drives me crazy when I misplace anything.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:10:11pm |
re: #38 Stanley Sea
Remember the "doc fix" memo published then pulled by Politico? From Ryan Grim @ Huffington Post:
Politico still has not republished it, Breitbart has it front page.
It's confirmed by the Plum Line that it was pushed by the GOP leadership-- note bolding.
The memo, however, was pushed to some reporters by the office of GOP leader John Boehner. A source forwards an email sent at 12:58 PM by Boehner spokesman Michael Steel to The Daily Caller’s Jon Ward and other reporters, with the original memo attached.
“Folks — Please read the attached draft memo addressed to `Democratic Health and Communications Staff,’ Steel wrote. “It makes it clear that Democrats want to avoid discussing issues related to the CBO score of their latest government takeover legislation because their claims don’t pass the straight face test.”
Asked for comment, Steel would only say: “Will the Democrats do the `doc fix’? If they will, they are low-balling the cost of health care by hundreds of billions of dollars.”
A GOP aide pointed out that the memo “has circulated widely in the lobbying community” and “no one has proven that it is a fake.” It also looks as if the memo was circulated just after it posted on Big Government.
But the GOP leadership did circulate a hard copy of the memo to reporters before its authenticity had been confirmed or disproven.
Check it out, folks. Drudge, Politico, Breitbart right in the middle of it all-- and the GOP leadership. This is what we might term the rightwing puke funnel. It's going to be in spasmodic continous vomit mode 24/7 through Sunday's vote.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:10:29pm |
re: #75 ludwigvanquixote
That is what the particle beams are for... Soon, yes soon bwaaa haaa haaa haaa!!!
Heh, most think this is just an unassuming moon...
:evilgrin:
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swamprat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:10:49pm |
Why are we passing all this legislation that will not take effect until much later?
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:10:59pm |
re: #80 iceweasel
Check it out, folks. Drudge, Politico, Breitbart right in the middle of it all-- and the GOP leadership. This is what we might term the rightwing puke funnel. It's going to be in spasmodic continous vomit mode 24/7 through Sunday's vote.
Oh, and the Daily Caller, of course. Can't forget that newest addition to the puke funnel.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:11:15pm |
re: #13 Linden Arden
In 1993 the Dems cut spending by $275 billion in the Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 - the largest spending decrease in US history.
Zero Republicans voted for this bill (there was a top rate tax increase).
Bush the Lesser never tried to cut spending.
Its obvious who the grown-up party is.
Nothing like a little bit of revisionist history to get the thread going.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:11:26pm |
re: #76 Linden Arden
Expect to see Jim DeMint type ChristoFascist heads to explode with Health Care Reform passing this weekend.
Because we can't have the hard earned money of Christians being taken from needy insurance companies and forcing them to compete more and used to help those in need...
Nope not at all.
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:11:58pm |
Incohate? I though it meant the inability to be Jewish...
ideas come in and out of fashion: modernism and progress are in for a while, (as they were through the Enlightenment), and then people get tired of sterility and turn (as they did in the Romantic era) to folksiness. lost myths and ancient truths.
The process ebbs and flows, ou society is governed by backlash: the 60's as a backlash against the hypocritical moral prudery of the 40's and 50's, Reaganism as a backlash against the backlash, and so on and so forth.
All you can do is lash back.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:12:17pm |
Tonight is the only night in all of History that Beck talks about something I really care about.. Water in Central California...
I was born in Firebaugh and have friends there..( I don't have family there cause some Army guy knocked up a young girl picking fruit for the summer and I was born in somebodies house on the Ranch and I was given away)
(I send Charles any docs he wants...After being awarded the Rublician of the year and being invited to the White House to meet President Bush.. I think he's over it..I offered my BC as a counterpoint to Obama's cause after going through the Court System for adoption for 12 years..My BC is a thing of beauty..
Anyhoo..
This subject is close to my heart...Yet when Beck brings it up it's like it's a Commie plot to take over America..Fuck you Beck..This is a political farming issue you fuck...I hate when he does this..It's like a commie under every rock..Don't worry Glenn.. They can be voted out of office if it hurts the Valley..Cause you know..It's like America..We always get to vote..
You frickiing Red baiter
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:12:19pm |
re: #76 Linden Arden
Expect to see Jim DeMint type ChristoFascist heads to explode with Health Care Reform passing this weekend.
It's been pretty entertaining so far. The right wing blogs are churning out BS as fast as they can. It'll be interesting to see if they can get people to show up to the Tea Party tomorrow. I'm guessing they might get maybe 2,000 people to show up. Most likely not more than 500.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:12:34pm |
re: #56 freetoken
Speaking of the Cato Institute, the ClimateScienceWatch website which I just linked on the AFP has a companion piece on the Koch brothers
Koch Industries multibillionaire Koch brothers bankroll attacks on climate change science and policy
Speaking of American's for Prosperity (AFP) the Tea Party rally were the man, Bob, with Parkinson's was verbally assaulted was an AFP rally.
Video:
Fucking idiots.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:12:52pm |
re: #18 Obdicut
Heh. So the latest idea really is to lionize the insurance companies as the ones trying to cut costs and blame those greedy doctors?
Let me know how that works out for you.
This bill is a gift to the insurance companies.
I'm going to have to keep saying this I guess, the only group not to be bought out in this whole deal are the taxpayers.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:13:02pm |
re: #82 swamprat
Why are we passing all this legislation that will not take effect until much later?
Because it takes time to set these things up.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:13:29pm |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
It's been pretty entertaining so far. The right wing blogs are churning out BS as fast as they can. It'll be interesting to see if they can get people to show up to the Tea Party tomorrow. I'm guessing they might get maybe 2,000 people to show up. Most likely not more than 500.
No, 732 quadrillion people will show up.
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webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:13:57pm |
re: #40 Obdicut
Good fucking quote from Weiner there. I like that guy.
I like Weiner.
I like Weiner too.
(hee hee)
Because he just won't take the Republicans bull shit.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:14:17pm |
re: #81 Varek Raith
Heh, most think this is just an unassuming moon...
:evilgrin:
Mebst! You have revealed too many secrets of Remulak by showing NASA imagery of the pleasure planet Playtex!
You can not show people our primary base in this system!
No bagel for you and you will shortly be given a correctional probulation!
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:14:31pm |
re: #82 swamprat
Why are we passing all this legislation that will not take effect until much later?
Weekly Address: What Health Reform Will Deliver – This Year
Because it will have immediate effects for millions.
Provide immediate access to insurance for uninsured Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition through a temporary high-risk pool;
And you can go check the rest out.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:14:46pm |
Ring ring
Hello?
Hoopster?
Yes?
Try spell check sometime..
...
Sorry
/Dumb ass
Click
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webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:15:22pm |
re: #93 Varek Raith
No, 732 quadrillion people will show up.
Millions and billions and trillions and mega-million-trillions.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:15:24pm |
re: #78 ludwigvanquixote
In answer to an earlier discussion about the maxim of mercy to those deserve justice leads to cruelty to those who deserve mercy. I have to strongly disagree with you.
People who deny social justice and work against it are moral criminals.
I'm trying to recall that previous discussion. I believe I said that Scripture refers to two types of "enemy." When it says "do not rejoice at your enemy's downfall" it is referring to a personal rival or business competitor. When it says "At the destruction of the wicked there is gladness" it is referring to moral criminals.
People who deny social justice and work against it to the detriment of humanity, are not your business competitors.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:15:30pm |
re: #97 HoosierHoops
Ring ring
Hello?
Hoopster?
Yes?
Try spell check sometime..
...
Sorry
/Dumb ass
Click
Don't worry buddy, my spelling and typing are terrible!
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:15:35pm |
re: #88 HoosierHoops
Anyone who lives out here in California knows, if they pay any attention at all, that we have continuous problems with water. Heck, so does most of the world.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:15:48pm |
re: #43 bratwurst
*must act my age...MUST ACT MY AGE*
We don't know how old you are, do we? So you can act any age you want.
However, a serious dent has been put in the available puns for that. Unless you don't mind reruns.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:15:50pm |
Ugh...SBC/AT&T "high speed" internet is anything but. We have it at our ski house, and I'm trying to upload a video of Banjo in Lake Tahoe this afternoon (76mb)...and with 21mb uploaded so far, it's saying it'll take another 32 minutes. But oh, what a gorgeous day up here. Glad I took a break from work to give him a swim.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:15:53pm |
re: #99 Alouette
I'm trying to recall that previous discussion. I believe I said that Scripture refers to two types of "enemy." When it says "do not rejoice at your enemy's downfall" it is referring to a personal rival or business competitor. When it says "At the destruction of the wicked there is gladness" it is referring to moral criminals.
People who deny social justice and work against it to the detriment of humanity, are not your business competitors.
Then we are in complete agreement.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:16:33pm |
It's not glam enough in here...
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:16:46pm |
re: #91 RogueOne
You might try saying something different, because that line is a little limp.
I'm a taxpayer. I would like this bill to pass because of the constraints it puts on pre-existing condition-denial, and the portability it offers. Those are items that matter to me.
So I guess the taxpayers are also being 'bought off'.
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doubter4444 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:16:56pm |
re: #7 Rightwingconspirator
Truth or fiction?
The president highlighted the "likely" increases of "35 to 39 percent" to suggest insurance companies in general were asking for huge premium increases just to boost their lavish profits. He complained that in the $1.2 trillion health insurance industry, "the five largest insurers made record profits of over $12 billion." But that puny sum includes WellPoint's sale of its pharmacy benefits management company NextRX to Express Scripts for $4.7 billion last April. Adding that $4.7 billion to WellPoint profits is like saying a family's income rose by $1 million because they sold a million-dollar home.
I don't know about fiction, but I had/have Wellpoint and EVERY year my rates have gone up, and I've never needed anything other than routine doctors visits, so I'm not crying a river when they raise rates another 40%.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:17:22pm |
Certainly Sarah "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW" Palin ought to tackle this egregious miscarriage of justice, no?
Climate change cited as Mont. leases suspended
A federal judge has approved a first-of-its-kind settlement requiring the government to suspend 38,000 acres of oil and gas leases in Montana so it can gauge how oil field activities contribute to climate change.
Would the Koch brothers approve?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:17:38pm |
re: #88 HoosierHoops
Tonight is the only night in all of History that Beck talks about something I really care about.. Water in Central California...
I was born in Firebaugh and have friends there..( I don't have family there cause some Army guy knocked up a young girl picking fruit for the summer and I was born in somebodies house on the Ranch and I was given away)
(I send Charles any docs he wants...After being awarded the Rublician of the year and being invited to the White House to meet President Bush.. I think he's over it..I offered my BC as a counterpoint to Obama's cause after going through the Court System for adoption for 12 years..My BC is a thing of beauty..
Anyhoo..
This subject is close to my heart...Yet when Beck brings it up it's like it's a Commie plot to take over America..Fuck you Beck..This is a political farming issue you fuck...I hate when he does this..It's like a commie under every rock..Don't worry Glenn.. They can be voted out of office if it hurts the Valley..Cause you know..It's like America..We always get to vote..
You frickiing Red baiter
That is an excellent post.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:17:48pm |
re: #77 freetoken
Agree. I believe for the coming election that the hot button arguments will be stirred by immigration much more than carbon trading, or even health care. The "forces" seem to be lining up for a major immigration battle beginning soon.
Possible. If the numbers of illegal aliens in the country are anywhere near the 30 million or so claimed, amnesty - like it or not - is going to be part of any solution. Although I'd like to see us learn from past mistakes and demand real solutions to monitoring the borders put in place before any talk of amnesty is begun, it's foolish to think that there's any realistic solution that doesn't involve it. The last proposal - a bizarre, byzantine procedure involving temporary deportation followed by readmission followed by waiting periods and fines and a plethora of other bullshit was bad enough; and as much as people like Malkin might drool in ecstasy over it, the vision of the United States marching 30 million people across the border in shackles isn't one I share or ever wish to see.
Reinforcing border security, in fact, is an idea whose time has come. The number of illegals in the country seems to have dropped due to the recession, so there's likely to be no better time to shore things up than the present.
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Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:19:20pm |
re: #95 ludwigvanquixote
Mebst! You have revealed too many secrets of Remulak by showing NASA imagery of the pleasure planet Playtex!
You can not show people our primary base in this system!
No bagel for you and you will shortly be given a correctional probulation!
Your Death Star is located in spacial coordinates [REDACTED]. That's a pic of my Death Star. Sorry for the confusion.
;)
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:19:25pm |
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:19:47pm |
re: #96 iceweasel
Weekly Address: What Health Reform Will Deliver – This Year
Because it will have immediate effects for millions.
Provide immediate access to insurance for uninsured Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition through a temporary high-risk pool;
And you can go check the rest out.
Apologies, I left out the link there-- sorry, multitasking. [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:20:02pm |
re: #108 freetoken
Certainly Sarah "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW" Palin ought to tackle this egregious miscarriage of justice, no?
Climate change cited as Mont. leases suspended
Would the Koch brothers approve?
This is bloody brilliant! There will a a barrage of outcry about activist judges using that evil liberally biased science in 5...4...3...2...1...
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:20:13pm |
re: #110 SixDegrees
A high percentage of illegal aliens don't cross the border illegally, they come in on a legal visa, which then expires. I don't remember how high the percentage is.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:20:21pm |
re: #99 Alouette
I'm trying to recall that previous discussion. I believe I said that Scripture refers to two types of "enemy." When it says "do not rejoice at your enemy's downfall" it is referring to a personal rival or business competitor. When it says "At the destruction of the wicked there is gladness" it is referring to moral criminals.
People who deny social justice and work against it to the detriment of humanity, are not your business competitors.
Personal rival or business competitor? Are you talking about the actual text in Proverbs 24?
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:20:58pm |
re: #106 Obdicut
You might try saying something different, because that line is a little limp.
I'm a taxpayer. I would like this bill to pass because of the constraints it puts on pre-existing condition-denial, and the portability it offers. Those are items that matter to me.
So I guess the taxpayers are also being 'bought off'.
Good answer, lame, but still good. You aren't being paid-off for those added "benefits", you're paying for them and very shortly you'll be paying more than you should for them. I appreciate you always looking for the silver lining though.
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doubter4444 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:21:20pm |
By the way, this is one of the most vile op/eds I've ever seen, this man out to be run out of town on a rail, not in a position of authority
Church criticism unfair, according to the Catholic League
| 119 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:21:32pm |
re: #111 Varek Raith
Your Death Star is located in spacial coordinates [REDACTED]. That's a pic of my Death Star. Sorry for the confusion.
;)
Mebst! So you are one of the Greys! I should have realized. All that Sith worship should have been a dead give away. Then get this buster... the hot Earth chicks are ours! We were here first!
| 120 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:22:00pm |
re: #116 Walter L. Newton
Personal rival or business competitor? Are you talking about the actual text in Proverbs 24?
We are talking about several dozen texts and commentaries.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:22:36pm |
re: #110 SixDegrees
Immigration's a real wreck. To my mind, if you can support yourself and you don't commit any felonies, you should be allowed to stay as a guest worker on your way to permanent resident status, with citizenship available thereafter, if you want it.
BUT, and this is the catch, ANYONE caught trying to screw you on your wages in order to get a cheaper deal than the law allows, gets nailed to the wall. Similarly, not one thin dime of social welfare payments to you or any children. It's harsh, but if you're desperate enough to come to a new land to work, you ought not to jeopardize your family by bringing them into an unknown and foreign land, and your remittances will go farther in your native land, anyway.
Commit ONE felony, and you're out, and if we catch you coming back, you're imprisoned, fined, and deported.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:22:44pm |
re: #103 darthstar
Ugh...SBC/AT&T "high speed" internet is anything but. We have it at our ski house, and I'm trying to upload a video of Banjo in Lake Tahoe this afternoon (76mb)...and with 21mb uploaded so far, it's saying it'll take another 32 minutes. But oh, what a gorgeous day up here. Glad I took a break from work to give him a swim.
Most high speed Internet connections are extremely asymmetrical. They're fast on downloads - which is what most people use them for - but a lot slower, often an order of magnitude slower, on uploads. This is just because of the nature of the way people typically use the Internet.
| 123 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:22:59pm |
BBL, the housework won't do itself...lazy freeloadin' appliances!
:)
| 124 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:23:01pm |
re: #111 Varek Raith
Your Death Star is located in spacial coordinates [REDACTED]. That's a pic of my Death Star. Sorry for the confusion.
;)
Ahh, yes, the old "White Lexus" problem.
| 125 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:23:06pm |
re: #73 Alouette
Is he against Israel building homes for Jews in north Jerusalem?
/why do I even bother to ask?
I didn't actually read that far into it.
| 126 |
swamprat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:23:19pm |
re: #108 freetoken
Certainly Sarah "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW" Palin ought to tackle this egregious miscarriage of justice, no?
Climate change cited as Mont. leases suspended
I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you! This must be the first time ever that an environmental concern was used to block a source of energy.
Would the Koch brothers approve?
| 127 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:23:31pm |
re: #120 ludwigvanquixote
We are talking about several dozen texts and commentaries.
Okay... I was referring to the text "do not rejoice at your enemy's downfall" from Proverbs 24. That text is referring to Personal rival or business competitor?
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:24:40pm |
re: #115 wrenchwench
A high percentage of illegal aliens don't cross the border illegally, they come in on a legal visa, which then expires. I don't remember how high the percentage is.
That also needs to be addressed. Follow-ups on expired permits and visas are pathetically bad.
| 129 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:25:10pm |
re: #117 RogueOne
I'm already paying for the care of the uninsured, Rogue. So are you.
I'm not looking for a silver lining.
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doubter4444 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:26:18pm |
re: #88 HoosierHoops
Tonight is the only night in all of History that Beck talks about something I really care about.. Water in Central California...
I was born in Firebaugh and have friends there..( I don't have family there cause some Army guy knocked up a young girl picking fruit for the summer and I was born in somebodies house on the Ranch and I was given away)
(I send Charles any docs he wants...After being awarded the Rublician of the year and being invited to the White House to meet President Bush.. I think he's over it..I offered my BC as a counterpoint to Obama's cause after going through the Court System for adoption for 12 years..My BC is a thing of beauty..
Anyhoo..
This subject is close to my heart...Yet when Beck brings it up it's like it's a Commie plot to take over America..Fuck you Beck..This is a political farming issue you fuck...I hate when he does this..It's like a commie under every rock..Don't worry Glenn.. They can be voted out of office if it hurts the Valley..Cause you know..It's like America..We always get to vote..
You frickiing Red baiter
I know, I roll my eyes when outsiders start to rail about the water rtights in the central valley.
It's a local issue, it's not a plot.
(The family had an orchard near Clovis for years)
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:26:28pm |
re: #127 Walter L. Newton
Okay... I was referring to the text "do not rejoice at your enemy's downfall" from Proverbs 24. That text is referring to Personal rival or business competitor?
I dunno if I'd consider a business competitor an enemy; more of a colleague, when you get right down to it - we're all in the same business, after all.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:26:58pm |
re: #108 freetoken
Certainly Sarah "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW" Palin ought to tackle this egregious miscarriage of justice, no?
Climate change cited as Mont. leases suspended
Would the Koch brothers approve?
We need an energy policy that works for the future. Otherwise, we will continue to get our petroleum products primarily from Canada but more importantly the financial impact on the US budget requiring the massive spending required for the continued presence of the USN 5th Fleet in the Persian Gulf region for maintaining the continued flow of oil from OPEC nations located in that particular region. While that is not the sole function of the 5th Fleet it does play a large role in providing security for the oil producers.
| 133 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:27:13pm |
re: #52 Killgore Trout
On AGW? Sure. On Iraq and Taxes? Not so much.
| 134 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:28:41pm |
re: #127 Walter L. Newton
Okay... I was referring to the text "do not rejoice at your enemy's downfall" from Proverbs 24. That text is referring to Personal rival or business competitor?
That text is referring to any enemy. The idea is that if you are overjoyed to see judgement brought on others that you invite it on yourself.
The Maxim I am referring to has to do with the reason why Saul lost the throne. He showed mercy to the king of Amalek and as a result allowed great evil to return to the world.
The issue at debate is in when you draw the line between judging kindly and taking a firm line against those who deserve to be judged. It is a difficult question in general about balancing empathy and a desire to be merciful with the necessity of taking out the bad guys.
The conversation started with the notion that no you really are supposed to despise evil and cruelty. You are not to give it a pass.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:28:50pm |
re: #132 Gus 802
We need an energy policy that works for the future. Otherwise, we will continue to get our petroleum products primarily from Canada but more importantly the financial impact on the US budget requiring the massive spending required for the continued presence of the USN 5th Fleet in the Persian Gulf region for maintaining the continued flow of oil from OPEC nations located in that particular region. While that is not the sole function of the 5th Fleet it does play a large role in providing security for the oil producers.
The Emperor must keep the Spice flowing. "tis a fact.
| 136 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:29:36pm |
re: #131 Guanxi88
I dunno if I'd consider a business competitor an enemy; more of a colleague, when you get right down to it - we're all in the same business, after all.
My only question was on the text " Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles." I was interested in how that text extrapolation out to a "personal rival or business competitor."
If the text is referring to Proverbs 24:17, I just was curious about how that connection was made.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:29:49pm |
re: #133 Rightwingconspirator
On AGW? Sure. On Iraq and Taxes? Not so much.
I have to disagree. The Cato institute is one step away from Birch.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:31:41pm |
re: #84 Varek Raith
Busted!
Oh yes, precious.
Nonetheless, the puke funnel did its job. It's been all over Brietbart, Politico, and headlining Drudge.
The spin will be in total overdrive til Sunday. Expect hour by hour lies about HCR until then.
Jimmah arrives here Sunday as well, so I'm hyper. ;)
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:33:07pm |
re: #137 ludwigvanquixote
I have to disagree. The Cato institute is one step away from Birch.
In seven league boots, perhaps one step.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:33:52pm |
re: #138 iceweasel
Oh yes, precious.
Nonetheless, the puke funnel did its job. It's been all over Brietbart, Politico, and headlining Drudge.
The spin will be in total overdrive til Sunday. Expect hour by hour lies about HCR until then.Jimmah arrives here Sunday as well, so I'm hyper. ;)
Yay!
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:33:54pm |
re: #138 iceweasel
Jimmah arrives here Sunday as well, so I'm hyper. ;)
Woo-hoo! Say hello for us all, and we expect lots of drinking. He'll be shocked by the wealth of the US, so don't flaunt our fresh fruit and such too much.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:33:56pm |
re: #101 freetoken
Anyone who lives out here in California knows, if they pay any attention at all, that we have continuous problems with water. Heck, so does most of the world.
Remember when we had that bad drought from 1973-80?
Then it didn't stop raining..and raining and raining...
And then the great Napa flood happened..We watched the town go away with the river from a porch 2 stories up...(OK..This really wicked cherry wood home entertainment center floated by..We snagged that bitch and had it for years..But the silt from the river destroyed every frickking car in town..Ruined the engines...)
People are whining about moving the railroad track for the wine train for 54 million dollars in the Stimulus money...
54 million? Has anyone here ever lived in a town that after a flood had no cars to drive or houses to live in except in the hills?
How many claims for cars and houses in Napa were filled? Billions? We could Google it...Cause a lot of those fuckers in Napa had high class cars and houses that were just trashed...
Spend 54 fucking million dollars and never see this happen again to Napa?
Fuck you GOP..You hacks...Anything for a political point...
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:33:58pm |
re: #134 ludwigvanquixote
That text is referring to any enemy. The idea is that if you are overjoyed to see judgement brought on others that you invite it on yourself.
The Maxim I am referring to has to do with the reason why Saul lost the throne. He showed mercy to the king of Amalek and as a result allowed great evil to return to the world.
The issue at debate is in when you draw the line between judging kindly and taking a firm line against those who deserve to be judged. It is a difficult question in general about balancing empathy and a desire to be merciful with the necessity of taking out the bad guys.
The conversation started with the notion that no you really are supposed to despise evil and cruelty. You are not to give it a pass.
Ok... I see how you are extrapolating it out to any enemy, business or otherwise. I was just curious because the whole chapter seems to be dealing with mortal enemies, but I agree, the thought could be used in general to counsel against showing glee in someone's defeat.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:34:43pm |
I love you guys but I'm thinking I've walked into a madhouse. After this huge HCR blowup some of you are contemplating political suicide by suggesting now is a good time to go after cap and trade and immigration reform? I'm not trying to sound like a concern troll but I think you've lost your political minds.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:35:47pm |
re: #133 Rightwingconspirator
On AGW? Sure. On Iraq and Taxes? Not so much.
Repost from downstairs regarding Cato Institute and Iraq:
GOP Congressmen Say That ‘Everyone’ In Congress ‘Would Agree That Iraq Was A Mistake’
Yesterday, the libertarian Cato Institute hosted a panel discussion on conservatism and the war in Afghanistan with Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA), Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) and Rep. John J. Duncan, Jr. (R-TN). When the conversation shifted to the war in Iraq, Rohrabacher said that “once President Bush decided to go into Iraq, I thought it was a mistake because we hadn’t finished the job in Afghanistan,” but that once Bush “decided to go in,” he “felt compelled” to “back him up.” He then added that “the decision to go in, in retrospect, almost all of us think that was a horrible mistake.”Moderator Grover Norquist then asked Rohrabacher to provide a “guesstimate percentage of Republicans in Congress who would share that view — not that they opposed the President at the time, but today looking back.” Rohrabacher replied that “everybody I know thinks it was a mistake to go in now
Probably not the answer the Cato Institute was looking for.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:36:31pm |
re: #129 Obdicut
I'm already paying for the care of the uninsured, Rogue. So are you.
I'm not looking for a silver lining.
Yes you do, and you're about to be paying for more. I don't think you understand how a payoff works because you're doing it wrong.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:37:26pm |
re: #144 RogueOne
I love you guys but I'm thinking I've walked into a madhouse. After this huge HCR blowup some of you are contemplating political suicide by suggesting now is a good time to go after cap and trade and immigration reform? I'm not trying to sound like a concern troll but I think you've lost your political minds.
Honestly... I make this statement on a totally non-partisan basis, although maybe on a personal selfish one... the whole bunch of them in Washington need to get on the economy and jobs.
Unless I am missing something, I think that is the first and major concern of most Americans right now.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:37:30pm |
re: #144 RogueOne
I love you guys but I'm thinking I've walked into a madhouse. After this huge HCR blowup some of you are contemplating political suicide by suggesting now is a good time to go after cap and trade and immigration reform? I'm not trying to sound like a concern troll but I think you've lost your political minds.
I don't think anyone here was advocating such a strategy. Just discussing the outlines of the issues.
There's little doubt, however, that both issues will certainly be coming back to the forefront before too long.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:38:05pm |
re: #145 iceweasel
The Cato Institute, being mostly fundamentalist libertarians, would probably not have a big problem with GOP members denouncing the Iraq war.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:38:12pm |
re: #135 Guanxi88
The Emperor must keep the Spice flowing. "tis a fact.
Yes it does. So ironically, while denying domestic oil production to proceed may be seen as an environmental victory the fact is that we will remain dependent on foreign oil and in the case of Persian Gulf OPEC nations the defense requirement and naval activity may in fact result in a large carbon footprint. Thus if we don't create a policy to reduce that dependency all around we may in fact be elevating global emissions due to the security requirements.
This also doesn't take into account the emissions created from heavy tankers making the crossings to deliver the petroleum to our shores most of which requires the burning of bunker oil. Tankers do not shut down during operations. They are also known to sit idle to wait for fluctuations in oil prices.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:38:13pm |
re: #140 Stanley Sea
Yay!
Yay! and Woo-hoo!
re: #141 Guanxi88
Woo-hoo! Say hello for us all, and we expect lots of drinking. He'll be shocked by the wealth of the US, so don't flaunt our fresh fruit and such too much.
Heh. Will do!
I am taking him to some greenmarkets here, lol.
Hopefully Jimmah-ski and I will never be separated again at this point. The plan is for him to wait here with me until my spousal visa is approved. So, YAAAAY!
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:38:26pm |
re: #145 iceweasel
There are a lot of conservatives, not so many republicans, who thought the Iraq war was a mistake and I was in the majority with my libertarians friends by holding the opposite view.
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bratwurst Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:39:02pm |
re: #121 Guanxi88
You know, your career in politics is never going to go ANYWHERE as long as you insist upon being so reasonable! ;)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:39:08pm |
re: #142 HoosierHoops
Remember when we had that bad drought from 1973-80?
Then it didn't stop raining..and raining and raining...
And then the great Napa flood happened..We watched the town go away with the river from a porch 2 stories up...(OK..This really wicked cherry wood home entertainment center floated by..We snagged that bitch and had it for years..But the silt from the river destroyed every frickking car in town..Ruined the engines...)
People are whining about moving the railroad track for the wine train for 54 million dollars in the Stimulus money...
54 million? Has anyone here ever lived in a town that after a flood had no cars to drive or houses to live in except in the hills?
How many claims for cars and houses in Napa were filled? Billions? We could Google it...Cause a lot of those fuckers in Napa had high class cars and houses that were just trashed...
Spend 54 fucking million dollars and never see this happen again to Napa?
Fuck you GOP..You hacks...Anything for a political point...
I agree whole heartedly buddy. Though I would more likely say it is anything for their corporate sponsors. Remember the GOP line when they bang the bible: Jesus loves prosperity....
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:39:33pm |
re: #149 freetoken
The Cato Institute, being mostly fundamentalist libertarians, would probably not have a big problem with GOP members denouncing the Iraq war.
Ah okay. I don't entirely have a handle on their whole ideology. I don't know how to predict them yet. BTW, Bookmarked your Koch post upthread-- I'm certain you're right.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:40:02pm |
re: #144 RogueOne
Immigration is always a hot button issue, regardless of the timing. The immigration reform minded politicians want to tackle the issue, as well as the paleocons/xenophobes. That's probably the critical mass needed to make it the next big battle.
Carbon trading/taxing is likely to be put aside for the immigration issue.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:40:24pm |
re: #152 RogueOne
There are a lot of conservatives, not so many republicans, who thought the Iraq war was a mistake and I was in the
majoritywith my libertarians friends by holding the opposite view.
DOH! Most libertarians were very much against the war in Iraq. For that matter most Libertarians don't like the military in any way.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:40:50pm |
Banjo by Garwood's restaurant...Excuse the shaky video...I had my polarized lenses on and couldn't see the screen at first. That's Heavenly and the Gunbarrel/Face run in the background...19 miles away.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:42:15pm |
re: #157 RogueOne
DOH! Most libertarians were very much against the war in Iraq. For that matter most Libertarians don't like the military in any way.
I'm still confused. Were you for it or agin' it?
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:42:40pm |
re: #155 iceweasel
The Koch brothers are obviously interested on keeping their billions, and making them grow. They, like other successful people, have discovered its better to water the plants on both sides of the street.
The Cato Institute per se, though, is more ideologically pure (though they do have a minority of "liberaltarians" in their camp). Most libertarians I've come across object to having to pay for foreign wars.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:42:46pm |
re: #150 Gus 802
I probably should have said "yes he does." Regarding "the Emperor" that is.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:42:57pm |
re: #153 bratwurst
You know, your career in politics is never going to go ANYWHERE as long as you insist upon being so reasonable! ;)
My plan is the whole "Last Man standing" bit.
"Let's you and him fight" repeated till nobody's left, and then, the two sweetest words in the English language: Default Winner!
Can't fail, right?
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:43:22pm |
re: #138 iceweasel
Oh yes, precious.
Nonetheless, the puke funnel did its job. It's been all over Brietbart, Politico, and headlining Drudge.
The spin will be in total overdrive til Sunday. Expect hour by hour lies about HCR until then.Jimmah arrives here Sunday as well, so I'm hyper. ;)
That is so awesome!
Next week let's all talk on the phone for a few minutes..
I'm very happy for you both..
It appears my time here is getting very short..Things are accelerating very fast for me..There is a new major project that hit the in-box...
You are not going to believe where I might be going.. Talk to you soon!
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:43:26pm |
re: #156 freetoken
Immigration is always a hot button issue, regardless of the timing. The immigration reform minded politicians want to tackle the issue, as well as the paleocons/xenophobes. That's probably the critical mass needed to make it the next big battle.
Carbon trading/taxing is likely to be put aside for the immigration issue.
I was scrolling up thread and stopped with your post @52 before I posted that. I don't think the Carbon trading bill stands a chance but doing it now would be, from my standpoint, hilarious. You don't get to see politicians throw themselves off a cliff very often and this would be one of those times.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:43:38pm |
re: #146 RogueOne
Patronizing me vaguely is also not likely to do much of anything.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:44:16pm |
re: #158 darthstar
Looks like fun. "Banjo" is a great dog name.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:44:19pm |
re: #150 Gus 802
Yes it does. So ironically, while denying domestic oil production to proceed may be seen as an environmental victory the fact is that we will remain dependent on foreign oil and in the case of Persian Gulf OPEC nations the defense requirement and naval activity may in fact result in a large carbon footprint. Thus if we don't create a policy to reduce that dependency all around we may in fact be elevating global emissions due to the security requirements.
This also doesn't take into account the emissions created from heavy tankers making the crossings to deliver the petroleum to our shores most of which requires the burning of bunker oil. Tankers do not shut down during operations. They are also known to sit idle to wait for fluctuations in oil prices.
All well said. Very accurate and well written.
The real answers come from deploying alternative energy sources. Energy demand goes up and up continuously and carbon does not act differently depending on where it came from. This of course is the rub. Once people invest large sums in any energy production, it become a fixture. If th oil fields are drilled, you have to company protecting its interests if you try to shut it down and local people who do not want to be un employed.
The same goes for any other plant. So in the very long run. If we shut down that drilling and were to say build something else, like a reactor or a wind farm, that stays operational and then the ships come home. On the other hand, if we drill, then the oil keeps flowing and just adds to the ever increasing energy demand as emissions. The ships are still out at sea anyway in that scenario. Because there is a thing called peak production.
The only answer is to switch domestic production to other means. In the long run this is still a good thing.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:45:31pm |
re: #167 RogueOne
Looks like fun. "Banjo" is a great dog name.
Hearkens back to Charlie Brown's quip that to make sure everybody's happy, we should all be issued with a dog and a banjo at birth. There's something to that.
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keloyd Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:45:33pm |
If Cato's website and wiki is to be believed, they're pro gay rights, noninterventionist on foreign policy, which more Republicans should have been these last 2 decades, laid back on immigration issues, and critical of the recent Iraq war (not sure on the first one).
Their skepticism on AGW may pass in the next few years. If right wing 'tory' types of Europe pretty much have fallen in line, Cato will likely evolve sooner than later. Most libertarians are ok with government intervention on public goods like local air and water pollution. Also, I took my own sweet time coming around on this issue, mostly because of the hypocrisy and overwrought tone certain advocates, so I can empathize.
In other news, Cato the Elder, if you're here, there's a poster in my local Jason's Deli identical to your avatar. It's kind of spooky seeing you where you don't belong.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:46:23pm |
re: #168 ludwigvanquixote
.... if we drill,....
"if"? IF!!!
DRILL HERE DRILL NOW!!
/aren't you a real American?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:46:25pm |
re: #168 ludwigvanquixote
PIMF
All well said. Very accurate and well written.
The real answers come from deploying alternative energy sources. Energy demand goes up and up continuously and carbon does not act differently depending on where it came from. This of course is the rub. Once people invest large sums in any energy production, it become a fixture. If the oil fields are drilled, you have the company protecting its interests and local people who do not want to be unemployed if you try to shut it down.
The same goes for any other plant. So in the very long run. If we shut down that drilling and were to say build something else, like a reactor or a wind farm, that stays operational and then the ships come home. On the other hand, if we drill, then the oil keeps flowing and just adds to the ever increasing energy demand as emissions. The ships are still out at sea anyway in that scenario. Because there is a thing called peak production.
The only answer is to switch domestic production to other means. In the long run this is still a good thing.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:46:54pm |
re: #164 HoosierHoops
That is so awesome!
Next week let's all talk on the phone for a few minutes..
I'm very happy for you both..
It appears my time here is getting very short..Things are accelerating very fast for me..There is a new major project that hit the in-box...
You are not going to believe where I might be going.. Talk to you soon!
Definitely! I'll email you. Good luck Hoops! and thanks.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:47:05pm |
Proof of fascism: Child Indoctrination
Probably singing about the Nirth Certifikit.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:47:22pm |
re: #171 freetoken
"if"? IF!!!
DRILL HERE DRILL NOW!!
/aren't you a real American?
Every time I hear drill baby drill, I think of certain other activities...
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:48:37pm |
re: #175 ludwigvanquixote
Every time I hear drill baby drill, I think of certain other activities...
You mean like shoving a bill down America's throat?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:49:12pm |
re: #176 ralphieboy
You mean like shoving a bill down America's throat?
Down the throat....
Hmm the things that too much sexual repression cause people to say....
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AK-47% Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:49:59pm |
re: #177 ludwigvanquixote
Down the throat...
Hmm the things that too much sexual repression cause people to say...
I'm not repressed, I just like tickling...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:51:18pm |
Sundown coming... Be well all! See you on Sunday!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:52:00pm |
re: #179 Guanxi88
You're a DIRTY, DIRTY physicist!
Lol don't even get me started on things like friction, fluid dynamics and heat generation....
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:52:00pm |
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:52:27pm |
re: #159 wrenchwench
I'm still confused. Were you for it or agin' it?
If was so for it based solely on the humanitarian argument which is not a very popular argument within libertarian circles. I was thinking about this earlier, the parallels between the Obama push for HCR and Bush push for the Iraq War resolution. Anyone who is not a partisan knows their being fed a line of BS. They just choose to ignore it because they believe in the underlying cause.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:52:42pm |
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:52:54pm |
re: #180 LudwigVanQuixote
Sundown coming... Be well all! See you on Sunday!
Be well, LVQ!
Beautiful homage to your pop the other day!!!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:53:32pm |
re: #186 Taqyia2Me
Be well, LVQ!
Beautiful homage to your pop the other day!!!
Thanks! I signed back in just to thank you... but I really do have to run now.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:54:58pm |
re: #184 RogueOne
Your first word, If = "I" ? If so, I got it, if not, I'm still confused.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:55:33pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
Hannity-Backed Foundation Refutes Blogger's Accusation His Concerts 'A Giant Con'
Would it surprise me if Hannity was skimming off the top? Not one bit. Am I enjoying his being accused by fellow conservatives of being a grifter just like Palin? You bet.
You should discuss this on your show, Hannity.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:56:08pm |
Ya know, now that I've decided to, in the words of Tyler Durden, "let that which does not matter truly slide," I find I'm a hell of a lot sunnier than once I was.
It's like Dorothy Parker's quip about being single - it's rather like death by drowning; it's not so bad once you stop struggling.
The grand political debates of the day - they can be interesting, but they mean next to nothing to me, insofar as I have no effect on their outcome one way or the other. I regard the whole thing as one ought to regard weather and climate; one notes patterns, and prepares as best one can, but one DOES NOT go and try to stop the rain or turn back a hurricane or hasten the coming of Spring.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:56:09pm |
re: #166 Obdicut
Patronizing me vaguely is also not likely to do much of anything.
I wasn't patronizing you, I was making fun of you. Keep up.//
You said you were for this bill therefore you were being bought off too. You aren't being bought off, you're doing the damn buying and thanking them for increasing your rates while you do it. That's not being bought off, you are doing it wrong.
re: #106 Obdicut
You might try saying something different, because that line is a little limp.
I'm a taxpayer. I would like this bill to pass because of the constraints it puts on pre-existing condition-denial, and the portability it offers. Those are items that matter to me.
So I guess the taxpayers are also being 'bought off'.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:57:31pm |
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:57:42pm |
re: #145 iceweasel
Probably not. CATO has a far better record away from AGW.
"Seven Years in Iraq
"Cato scholars have long opposed the war and have argued that an expeditious military withdrawal from Iraq, and a handover of security responsibilities to the Iraqi people is in America's strategic interest. "
Who disagrees with the above? Not me.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:57:46pm |
re: #173 iceweasel
Definitely! I'll email you. Good luck Hoops! and thanks.
God has blessed me to work for one of the biggest Corporations in the world..
You are going to faint what I was offered today...Some contract for one of the best research Universities in the world.. They need a system Admin for the Network...I got the offer...Daddy is not going to Singapore.. I'll be posting from a world class University this Summer and pissing off Ludwig..*wink*
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:58:25pm |
re: #188 wrenchwench
Your first word, If = "I" ? If so, I got it, if not, I'm still confused.
Yes. My fingers have not been working correctly today.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:58:29pm |
re: #168 ludwigvanquixote
All well said. Very accurate and well written.
The real answers come from deploying alternative energy sources. Energy demand goes up and up continuously and carbon does not act differently depending on where it came from. This of course is the rub. Once people invest large sums in any energy production, it become a fixture. If th oil fields are drilled, you have to company protecting its interests if you try to shut it down and local people who do not want to be un employed.
The same goes for any other plant. So in the very long run. If we shut down that drilling and were to say build something else, like a reactor or a wind farm, that stays operational and then the ships come home. On the other hand, if we drill, then the oil keeps flowing and just adds to the ever increasing energy demand as emissions. The ships are still out at sea anyway in that scenario. Because there is a thing called peak production.
The only answer is to switch domestic production to other means. In the long run this is still a good thing.
True. If we were to increase domestic production odds are very high that it would only supplement the oil supply. In other words we would more than likely see the continued dependence on foreign oil production. As capacity increases so too would the demand. The key is to have an energy policy that promotes sustainability and not just from a governmental standpoint but from the market as well. To that end I think that we are seeing wider interest and acceptance of hybrid vehicles (such as the Chevy Volt) and the future with 100% electric automobiles . The latter of which would require a sustainably fueled infrastructure: i.e. nuclear, solar, wind, for the electricity.
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Mar 19, 2010 3:58:41pm |
re: #95 ludwigvanquixote
Mebst! You have revealed too many secrets of Remulak by showing NASA imagery of the pleasure planet Playtex!
You can not show people our primary base in this system!
No bagel for you and you will shortly be given a correctional probulation!
You are prepared to build my daughter color-coordinated atmospheric villas on each of Jewpiter's four moons, are you not, daring suitor? Prove your worthiness!
Remember that previous suitors pelts have been impaled by the heel of her deadly Manolo Blahniks.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:00:29pm |
re: #197 Alouette
You are prepared to build my daughter color-coordinated atmospheric villas on each of Jewpiter's four moons, are you not, daring suitor?
"ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE. USE THEM TOGETHER. USE THEM IN PEACE."
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:02:51pm |
One can know that "climategate" has filled its mission when Buchanan runs an article about it from Penthouse on his blog.
Fears of the "science establishment" has become an emblematic trait of the paranoid nuts on the fringe.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:04:04pm |
re: #137 ludwigvanquixote
How familiar are you with their studies and advocacy for individual liberties? Or gun control? I would submit that they are as correct on that topic as they are wrong on AGW.
Caveat-I cherry picked that topic, as I have the most expertise in that topic as compared to anything else they take up. Their work has been very helpful to me.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:04:52pm |
re: #193 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks for the info on Cato--also, RogueOne, thanks-- I need to talk to you all sometime about libertarianism, I'm woefully ignorant & would appreciate your insights. (not at the moment, I'm hyper and doing too many things to take in your points)
Hoops-- Congrats on the job offer! So excited for you!
BRB with some beck craziness.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:05:40pm |
Speaking of Buchanan, his latest screed is essentially a
three cheers for ethnonationalism
piece. He finishes it with:
In speaking of the rising tribalism abroad, Schlesinger added, “The ethnic upsurge in America, far from being unique, partakes of the global fever.”
Indeed, separatism and secessionism seem to be in the air.
Yup, immigration's going to be a hot button.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:05:56pm |
re: #201 iceweasel
I'm not allowed to call myself "L"-ibertarian around some friends, it makes them angry.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:06:08pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
Hannity-Backed Foundation Refutes Blogger's Accusation His Concerts 'A Giant Con'
Looking at the reply if this were Mythbusters I'd have to say "busted" to Schlussel at this point.
They've taken in about 7 M per year over three years, 3 M spent already on Scholarships, and 15 M in trust for future scholarships. That's 18 M out of 21 M for a pretty good ratio of funds to charity. I'm not a fan of Hannity, indeed I think he is Pat Buchanan Jr. and descendant of Coughlin, but I think Schlussel's off base here if what the PDF says is true.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:06:33pm |
re: #202 freetoken
PIMF "three cheers for ethnonationalism" should have been italicized and not quoted.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:07:05pm |
re: #201 iceweasel
AGW is such a hot (as in burn your fingers) topic here, I fear many here would casually dismiss all the work there over that one topic. One they are relatively new to! Tons of good tax policy insight. Much is debatable but then that would be the point of their existence.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:07:43pm |
re: #204 Thanos
Yeah, It's not a surprise. My guess is that Debbie has a personal grudge against him. She used to be a regular on fox a while ago. Not so much anymore.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:08:06pm |
re: #203 RogueOne
I'm not allowed to call myself "L"-ibertarian around some friends, it makes them angry.
It's one of those things - the name has been associated with a buncha really weird, whacky, and wild folks, who've ruined it for everybody else.
Much the same thing happened with my family name; I blame my relatives, and they're all pretty sure our bad reputation is my fault, but we all agree that it's not right.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:08:50pm |
Man With Parkinson's Who Was Berated By Tea Partiers: 'I Embody The Controversy' (VIDEO)
The man with Parkinson's who sat down in front of a group of anti-health reform rally in Ohio this week, only to have dollar bills thrown at him by an angry protester screaming about "handouts," tells TPM in a phone interview that he was aiming to present his own body as a powerful symbol of the debate.
...
Letcher tells us the man in the white shirt seemed "practiced at being cold.""It was cultivatedly angry," he says.
But Letcher's spirits were lifted by one moment that wasn't captured on camera.
A "teabag kind of guy" holding a "don't tread on me" flag at one point came over to Letcher in the street and whispered "hey buddy, you better move, that car almost hit you."
"That was the only hopeful thing that came out of that day. Otherwise it was terribly discouraging," says Letcher.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:09:13pm |
re: #207 Killgore Trout
Yeah, It's not a surprise. My guess is that Debbie has a personal grudge against him. She used to be a regular on fox a while ago. Not so much anymore.
If it had been true I would have hoped it would have been a big issue.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:09:40pm |
re: #206 Rightwingconspirator
AGW is such a hot (as in burn your fingers) topic here, I fear many here would casually dismiss all the work there over that one topic. One they are relatively new to! Tons of good tax policy insight. Much is debatable but then that would be the point of their existence.
Cato institute does seem to have become infested with various kinds of crazy though, in the last few years. Also there are so many different forms of 'libertarian'-- it's one reason I don't have a good handle on them or libertarianism at all. Definitely need to talk with you about them and it at some point.
BTW, hope you're over the flu and that DL is feeling better too
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:11:32pm |
Virginian At Obama Rally: If Health Care Passes There Will Be Civil War (VIDEO)
"You can't ignore 70% of the population."
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:13:02pm |
re: #208 Guanxi88
It's one of those things - the name has been associated with a buncha really weird, whacky, and wild folks, who've ruined it for everybody else.
Much the same thing happened with my family name; I blame my relatives, and they're all pretty sure our bad reputation is my fault, but we all agree that it's not right.
But they do throw the best parties, never a dull moment and you know someones eventually going to do something stupid.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:14:12pm |
Beck: Health-care reform will affect America like the bombing of Pearl Harbor
Beck: "History will equate this as, as big as the New Deal or Pearl Harbor. And if you think that's overstating the importance, remember we are talking about one-sixth of the U.S. economy."
As he was talking, the screen behind him showed the bombs falling on ships at Pearl Harbor and smoke billowing up in their aftermath.
Of course, Beck has also compared HCR to the 9/11 attacks.
Yeah, providing health-care insurance for millions of uninsured Americans is just like horrific and violent attacks that leave thousands of Americans dead.
Video & more at link.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:14:49pm |
re: #211 iceweasel
Thanks I am over it apart from congestion/aftermath. D_L is getting better, I may be able to plan a nice Saturday date night.
I just want to post this as important to me and my sense of intellectual honesty- The blogsphere is huge, some sites are so bit, so deep that they are immune from shorthand conclusions. It is quite likely these days for a place like Kos, CATO, C&L, Heritage, to have some glaring BS and a good measure of good data or great commentary at the very same time. I am loathe to broad brush dismiss blogs out of hand. Apart from the stalker & the hate sites of course!!
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Aye Pod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:15:09pm |
How realistic is new Polanski film The Ghost?Roman Polanski's new political thriller The Ghost, which is opening in the UK, is about a former British prime minister who is threatened with being hauled in front of the International Criminal Court for alleged war crimes.
The title refers to a ghost writer roped in to craft the memoirs of this ex prime minister, Adam Lang. But it is the ghost of Tony Blair that haunts the fictional Mr Lang, with references to Iraq, the "war on terror", and a much too cosy relationship with the United States.
The author of the book on which the film is based, Robert Harris, has said he was inspired at least in part by anger at Mr Blair's policies, and media reports of calls for the prime minister to face war crimes trials.
But how realistic is the film?
Could Mr Blair, or any other British prime minister, be within the reach of the long arm of international law?
In one respect, yes. The international criminal court, or the ICC, offers no protection for heads of state or government, serving or former.
After that it gets more complicated. First the court has to determine if the crime falls within its jurisdiction, and the threshold is very high.
In the film Adam Lang is accused of ordering an operation to kidnap four British citizens suspected of links to terrorism. They are picked up in Pakistan by British special forces and handed over to the CIA, which tortures them. One dies.
contd...
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:15:14pm |
Must. Resist. Temptation.
Hamas youth arrive on one of Jupiter's moons and discover the moon rock. Plus you can't get a decent haircut on the Gaza Moon.
//
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:15:29pm |
re: #206 Rightwingconspirator
I fear many here would casually dismiss all the work there over that one topic.
It's not just one issue. They are funded by the Koch Family
The foundations are financed via the oil and gas fortunes of Fred G. Koch, a founding member of the John Birch Society. David is a libertarian who "provides a significant amount of funding for the Cato Institute's $4 million annual budget."
Curtis Moore's Rethinking the Think Tanks (subtitled How industry-funded 'experts' twist the environmental debate) appeared in the September/October 2002 issue of Sierra magazine. Moore states that, "The views will seem to be coming from an independent think tank -- the Cato Institute or Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE), for example ... behind these groups stands the [Koch] brother's vast fortune."
In fact, Charles Koch is a co-founder of Cato in 1977 and David helped to launch CSE in 1986. This, says Moore, is the brothers simply following in "dad's footsteps: Fred Koch was a charter member of the ultraconservative John Birch Society in 1958."
The Cato Institute has a long history of dishonest articles on a variety of topics. If you really want to take them seriously you're more than welcome to but they are misleading you.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:15:45pm |
re: #207 Killgore Trout
Yeah, It's not a surprise. My guess is that Debbie has a personal grudge against him. She used to be a regular on fox a while ago. Not so much anymore.
You all were correct in the "don't trust the messenger" advice.
Funny how even Frum picked it up. Debbie must be happy.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:17:12pm |
re: #220 Killgore Trout
Aaah! Again with the AGW angle!
Darn it gotta go!
Love to thrash that out with you later...
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:17:12pm |
re: #221 Stanley Sea
Debbie must be happy.
I don't know her, but I'm guessing that doesn't happen very much.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:17:34pm |
re: #214 RogueOne
But they do throw the best parties, never a dull moment and you know someones eventually going to do something stupid.
I'll be Indiana sooner than I thought...
You will always be my favorite Hoosier here...
Regards bro...
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:18:02pm |
re: #213 Jimmah
Some music to fit the mood now from Musical Youth:
[Video]
One of my favorites from SY, a collaboration with William S. Burroughs. From Dead City Radio, which I recommend to all:
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:18:26pm |
re: #212 Killgore Trout
She's worried about something being forced down her throat...
Is it just me (and it might really just be me...) who thinks that this universalization of this (likely) sexual metaphor is ripe with other, shall we say, stereotypes?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:19:02pm |
re: #208 Guanxi88
It's one of those things - the name has been associated with a buncha really weird, whacky, and wild folks, who've ruined it for everybody else.
Much the same thing happened with my family name; I blame my relatives, and they're all pretty sure our bad reputation is my fault, but we all agree that it's not right.
So...you're a Dillinger?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:19:03pm |
re: #222 Rightwingconspirator
Again with the AGW angle!
Uh, no. BIRCH SOCIETY! BIIIIIIRCH SOOOOOCIIIIIETYYYYY!
/Birch Society
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:19:31pm |
re: #224 HoosierHoops
I'll be (leaving) sooner than I thought...
You will always be my favorite Hoosier here...
Regards bro...
Jeez
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:20:50pm |
re: #227 Stanley Sea
So...you're a Dillinger?
If only, if only!
Eh, I'm lucky in that our bad reputation doesn't extend outside the areas where we don't live.
Still, in our home county, and in our home town, we're known as "those guys" as in "Don't f*ck with those guys; there's no telling what they'll do," or "That's just about the best you could expect from those guys."
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:21:21pm |
re: #216 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks I am over it apart from congestion/aftermath. D_L is getting better, I may be able to plan a nice Saturday date night.
I just want to post this as important to me and my sense of intellectual honesty- The blogsphere is huge, some sites are so bit, so deep that they are immune from shorthand conclusions. It is quite likely these days for a place like Kos, CATO, C&L, Heritage, to have some glaring BS and a good measure of good data or great commentary at the very same time. I am loathe to broad brush dismiss blogs out of hand. Apart from the stalker & the hate sites of course!!
No, you're absolutely right and I agree. (but not on Heritage). I agree with your main point. I promise I won't dismiss Cato Institute stuff on say gun control out of hand, but there really does seem to be a growing infestation over there. Which sucks. And that's what people are reacting to.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:21:57pm |
re: #232 iceweasel
No, you're absolutely right and I agree. (but not on Heritage). I agree with your main point. I promise I won't dismiss Cato Institute stuff on say gun control out of hand, but there really does seem to be a growing infestation over there. Which sucks. And that's what people are reacting to.
Heh. Just saw KT's post. That's what I'm talking about. Birchers.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:22:10pm |
re: #224 HoosierHoops
I'll be Indiana sooner than I thought...
You will always be my favorite Hoosier here...
Regards bro...
You headed out sooner than planned? What's up with that?
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:22:22pm |
Hey folks - good evening. What's the hot topic tonight? American Idol? Who is the best tennis player in the world?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:22:39pm |
re: #231 Guanxi88
If only, if only!
Eh, I'm lucky in that our bad reputation doesn't extend outside the areas where we don't live.
Still, in our home county, and in our home town, we're known as "those guys" as in "Don't f*ck with those guys; there's no telling what they'll do," or "That's just about the best you could expect from those guys."
Ha! I actually know a Hatfield. I'm like, "as in the Hatfield's & McCoys???" She's like yeah, no biggie.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:22:40pm |
re: #225 Guanxi88
One of my favorites from SY, a collaboration with William S. Burroughs. From Dead City Radio, which I recommend to all:
[Video]
Here's a better one, with Russian subtitles:
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:24:01pm |
re: #235 cliffster
Hey folks - good evening. What's the hot topic tonight? American Idol? Who is the best tennis player in the world?
Tiger woods text messages!
[Link: www.tmz.com...]
- Have you ever had a golden shower done to you? ... just morbid curiosity.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:24:19pm |
re: #220 Killgore Trout
The Cato Institute has a long history of dishonest articles on a variety of topics. If you really want to take them seriously you're more than welcome to but they are misleading you.
The other thing that people need to remember - not every single thing that comes out of CATO is crap. They have to churn out some things and studies that are respected to cloak the agit-crap - there are a lot of respected writers, academicians, and journalists who have written for them. Definitely look at them as biased and suspect but don't shit can 100pct, that would be a mistake.
It's like the Washington Times - a Moonie Paper, Hired and published White Supremacists RSM and Sam Francis, but some of their articles are factual and meet journalistic standards because they have to keep that cloaking device on for the general public.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:24:38pm |
re: #215 iceweasel
Heh. How about, the Health Care bill will grow the federal government and extend it into places where it will have little success and will be a violation of citizens' liberties? Oh wait, not spooky enough
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:24:43pm |
re: #236 Stanley Sea
Ha! I actually know a Hatfield. I'm like, "as in the Hatfield's & McCoys???" She's like yeah, no biggie.
Oddly enough, when my Grandfather's people assimilated in Appalachia, they took a variation of McCoy as their family name. Talk about lack of local knowledge?
It was funny, they looked like "Bohunks" and had Scots-irish names; EVERYBODY viewed them with suspicion.
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Aye Pod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:25:25pm |
I knew Viacom had a rod up it's butt about You Tube(that's why you can't find any decent South Park clips there, for example), but this is fucked up:
YouTube has accused media conglomerate Viacom of secretly uploading content to the video-sharing site whilst publicly complaining about its presence.
YouTube said it deliberately "roughed up" any uploaded videos to make them look stolen or leaked.
The accusation was made as a court prepares to rule in a $1bn suit brought by Viacom against Youtube for "massive intentional copyright infringement".
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:25:52pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
Hannity-Backed Foundation Refutes Blogger's Accusation His Concerts 'A Giant Con'
So Hannity hasnt responded himself. That is strange.
Also from your link. I see a big bruhaha going on over at biggovernment.
Seems the poster called his representative and voiced his no support for HCR. Then he kept calling back, several times. Finally the receptionist turned his call over to the security. Man the response to the post!
Its WAR time, literally.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:27:32pm |
re: #238 RogueOne
- Have you ever had a golden shower done to you? ... just morbid curiosity.
Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:27:50pm |
Frum also calling BS on Debbie's Take:
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:27:55pm |
re: #234 RogueOne
You headed out sooner than planned? What's up with that?
Yes...You know how that email is...
My company just signed a contract with a major University... They offered me the position to be a system Admin instead of going to Singapore...
It delays going there for a year or so...But I need to start packing soon...
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:28:13pm |
re: #241 Guanxi88
Oddly enough, when my Grandfather's people assimilated in Appalachia, they took a variation of McCoy as their family name. Talk about lack of local knowledge?
It was funny, they looked like "Bohunks" and had Scots-irish names; EVERYBODY viewed them with suspicion.
And, after a scant ONE generation in Appalachia, we all went native. hence, Jewbilly became our preferred moniker; we were clannish Easter-European Jews who could out-drink, out-shoot, and out-fight our Scots-Irish neighbors.
WE weren't all that well liked, but we were feared, which is something, I suppose.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:28:51pm |
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Aye Pod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:29:29pm |
re: #225 Guanxi88
One of my favorites from SY, a collaboration with William S. Burroughs. From Dead City Radio, which I recommend to all:
[Video]
Perhaps not the most natural follow up to "Pass The Dutchie" but very interesting - thanks.
Dreadzone: Here We Go
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:30:01pm |
re: #248 HoosierHoops
Yes...You know how that email is...
My company just signed a contract with a major University... They offered me the position to be a system Admin instead of going to Singapore...
It delays going there for a year or so...But I need to start packing soon...
So you're staying in country? Congrats! Both on the new position and sticking around for awhile.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:30:02pm |
re: #249 Guanxi88
Ya ain't lived till you've seen a man named Shlomo chewing Mail Pouch tobacco and talking about how maybe ol' Jimbo there needs a late-night visit to discuss the ongoing property-line dispute we've been having.
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:30:24pm |
re: #215 iceweasel
Beck: Health-care reform will affect America like the bombing of Pearl Harbor
Video & more at link.
Not just health care but education. This is straight ahead Bircher rhetoric. For those that would argue against these "rights" I would say, yes, people have a right to an education but that doesn't guarantee that they will be educated. The same holds true with health care.
It's troubling that if we take society as a whole and then argue about it being 1/6th of GDP as an argument to maintain the status quo which does not work. Beck offers no solutions of course and is only intent on spreading fear and mesmerizing his audience. His one hour show can best summed up as, "I hate this, I hate this, I hate this."
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:30:58pm |
re: #246 Thanos
Frum also calling BS on Debbie's Take:
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
She's the first comment!! I'm reading it now.
(wonder if she mentions SFZ!)
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:31:04pm |
re: #246 Thanos
Frum also calling BS on Debbie's Take:
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
Ah, thanks. I think that pretty much settles it.
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BaseballMom57 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:31:08pm |
TOTALLY off topic: The ad at the top of this thread is for the "gravity defyer" shoe... is it just me, or do the little logos they use for the "g" and the "d" look like little cartoony sperms? And so does the little pink logo on the side of the shoe.
Disturbing, in a way. Hilarious, in others.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:31:59pm |
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:32:22pm |
Here's a good piece in TNR about the whole tangled procedural process going on with HCR and what to expect:
A Viewer's Guide to This Weekend
All eyes this weekend will be on the House, as it takes up health care reform for what is possibly (and hopefully) the last time. The goal is to pass two legislative measures: The Senate’s health care bill, which is the underlying bill that does most of the work of health care reform; and a series of amendments to the Senate bill, which are going through the budget reconciliation process and will still require Senate approval to become law.As you can see, the legislative process stopped resembling Schoolhouse Rock a long time ago. For those who want to follow the proceedings--but have no idea how those proceedings will, er, proceed—here is a guide.
It's pretty damn complicated, but this is the best piece I've run across explaining what to expect and how it works, the Slaughter rule, all of it.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:32:39pm |
re: #250 Killgore Trout
Agreed.
I'm just doing my Admiral Akbar thing -- dont' autoslam because it's Cato, you might get caught out, but your take on their funding, strategy, and direction is certainly accurate. Lately, just like the Washington Times they've been getting wingier and wingier....
Edgy and Fierce! Might be great for fashion but it sucks in politics. The good guys are mostly boring and mundane and invisible.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:33:02pm |
re: #249 Guanxi88
And, after a scant ONE generation in Appalachia, we all went native. hence, Jewbilly became our preferred moniker; we were clannish Easter-European Jews who could out-drink, out-shoot, and out-fight our Scots-Irish neighbors.
WE weren't all that well liked, but we were feared, which is something, I suppose.
Reputations, especially if exaggerated, can be kinda cool.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:34:04pm |
re: #258 Killgore Trout
Good job, Frum. Convincing takedown of a smear.
I'm no fan of Hannity, by any measure, but this story always stunk to me.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:34:28pm |
And now an update for Weather Or Not Central... from 8200 feet in the Colorado Rockies... spring in the Rockies... we have over a foot now... here is a picture from the living room past the back porch looking down to the road below us...
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:35:07pm |
re: #240 cliffster
Heh. How about, the Health Care bill will grow the federal government and extend it into places where it will have little success and will be a violation of citizens' liberties? Oh wait, not spooky enough
How would it be a violation of civil liberties, exactly?
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Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:35:50pm |
re: #264 Obdicut
Good job, Frum. Convincing takedown of a smear.
I'm no fan of Hannity, by any measure, but this story always stunk to me.
The instant rage that the internet facilitates scares me, frankly. My comrade lefties really did seem like sharks smelling blood in the water.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:36:03pm |
re: #265 Walter L. Newton
It looks pretty, especially since I don't have to deal with it.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:36:34pm |
re: #262 Thanos
You just described many Democrats House members accurately. Some Republicans, too.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:36:35pm |
re: #238 RogueOne
From your link:
You are my f**king whore. Hold you down while I choke you
Was Tiger implying he would provide health care for her?
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:36:45pm |
re: #263 Stanley Sea
Reputations, especially if exaggerated, can be kinda cool.
It's the best way to avoid a fight, as anyone who's been around will tell you. Pa his own bad self used to spread rumors about his crazy kids, and how it was all he could do to keep them from killing people, and they'd all spread the word that he WAS NOT to be trifled with, and that there's no way to confirm it, 'cause nobody ever dared that we heard from again.
best line from him that I myself heard. Arguing with some guy over something or other. Guy says, "Let's talk about this," and heads toward Pa's truck for a conference.
"Mister, if we go for a ride, you might not make it back in time for dinner."
I was 8 or 10, but I knew exactly what he meant, and so did the other guy.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:36:45pm |
re: #253 RogueOne
So you're staying in country? Congrats! Both on the new position and sticking around for awhile.
Thanks..Wait till I tell you where I am going...
Charles will be going..Why are you posting from that University town?
I dunno Charles..
You lucky bitch
yea..I know..Thanks Charles
*wink*
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:37:23pm |
re: #265 Walter L. Newton
Walter, what have you done! We are expecting 6-8 inches tomorrow. I can't believe it.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:37:52pm |
re: #268 RogueOne
It looks pretty, especially since I don't have to deal with it.
Neither do I. I'm not working, no place I need to go... I can just sit here, cozy, watching the world, radio on, listening to Denver 35 mile east and below me go crazy at rush hour (they only have 2-3 inches), playing on the internet.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:38:43pm |
Somebody tossed a brick through a window at Rep. Louise Slaughter's Niagara Falls office last night:
The "Slaughter Solution" on health care isn't the only thing that has come under attack in U.S. Rep. Louise M. Slaughter's world this week. Sometime early this morning, someone threw a brick through the front window of her Pine Avenue office.
The damage was discovered about 12:30 a.m., city police said.
The brick put a hole in the outer-most window at the office at 1910 Pine Ave., but did not damage a second interior window, police reported. A piece of broken brick believed to have caused the damage was found at the scene.
Damage was estimated at $350.
Slaughter, D-Fairport, is head of the House Rules Committee, which will structure the debate on health care reform votes set
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:38:43pm |
re: #273 prairiefire
Walter, what have you done! We are expecting 6-8 inches tomorrow. I can't believe it.
Where are you again?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:38:47pm |
This has nothing to do with anyone or anything being discussed here, but:
For the love of the language, everyone, please stop saying "issues" when you mean "problems".
Death to euphemisms.
That is all.
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:38:56pm |
re: #270 freetoken
From your link:
Was Tiger implying he would provide health care for her?
A three day binge of high-dollar hookers and alcohol cost enough money to provide HC to at least a family of 4 for two years. I've done the math.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:39:21pm |
re: #262 Thanos
I'm just doing my Admiral Akbar thing -- dont' autoslam because it's Cato, you might get caught out, but your take on their funding, strategy, and direction is certainly accurate. Lately, just like the Washington Times they've been getting wingier and wingier...
Edgy and Fierce! Might be great for fashion but it sucks in politics. The good guys are mostly boring and mundane and invisible.
The problem is that a lot of stuff on economics and taxes is complicated. It's easy to distort this stuff enough to fool the average person and the fact checking is time consuming. Cato, with their Birch Society funding and history of dishonest articles, mean that they shouldn't be taken seriously. Just like if Crazy Pam or Debbie Schlussel have an exclusive scoop, the best bet is to ignore it because it's probably false. When people link to CATO or Rupert Murdoch articles I just scroll over. If they ask if the story is correct I usually respond, "Probably not".
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:40:10pm |
re: #261 iceweasel
Here's a good piece in TNR about the whole tangled procedural process going on with HCR and what to expect:
A Viewer's Guide to This WeekendIt's pretty damn complicated, but this is the best piece I've run across explaining what to expect and how it works, the Slaughter rule, all of it.
Thank you!!!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:40:14pm |
re: #277 negativ
Do you have an issue with euphemisms?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:40:30pm |
re: #279 prairiefire
Kansas City.
Ok... well... the snow in that picture has accumulated since about 4 this morning. Yesterday, it was 60 degrees (f) here. Springtime in the Rockies.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:40:52pm |
In regards to Hannity, and many other things, the LGF 48 hour rule is a very good rule.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:41:20pm |
re: #266 iceweasel
How would it be a violation of civil liberties, exactly?
Well, the point was not to debate HCR (although I'm happy to do this, but you'd have to be patient because I'm sitting at the PC sporadically while trying to manage 2 insane little ones). The point is that, there are sensible, intellectual reasons for disliking this policy. But instead of citing those, he spouts holy-shit-horrible-things-happing stuff.
Thing is, I guess, sensible intellectualism doesn't garner much of an audience.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:41:25pm |
In vehicular news, I've narrowed down my vehicle choices:
Volvo 740 or a Mercedes 300D
Whichever one it ends up being, it will, as noted earlier here, be christened "Death Snail"
Totenschnecke, or something like that, if it's the Benz.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:41:26pm |
re: #275 Shiplord Kirel
Somebody tossed a brick through a window at Rep. Louise Slaughter's Niagara Falls office last night:
Healthcare Reform will lead us to civil war.
(It's the only way to be sure...)
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freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:41:26pm |
re: #278 RogueOne
A three day binge of high-dollar hookers and alcohol cost enough money to provide HC to at least a family of 4 for two years. I've done the math.
Well, that's just a theory! Have you empirically demonstrated it yet?
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RogueOne Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:41:54pm |
Cya folks. Tonight is dinner and a movie night, everyone enjoy their evenings.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:41:58pm |
re: #277 negativ
This has nothing to do with anyone or anything being discussed here, but:
For the love of the language, everyone, please stop saying "issues" when you mean "problems".
Death to euphemisms.
That is all.
Hear, hear!
magazines have issues
People have problems.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:44:30pm |
King, Bachmann Discuss Health Care Vote With Glenn Beck
It's a short interview because they have to rush off to vote against environmental extremism.
"They (communists, socialists and progressives) want civil unrest"
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Gus Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:44:44pm |
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:45:27pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
Hannity-Backed Foundation Refutes Blogger's Accusation His Concerts 'A Giant Con'
Pretty definitive refutation; no weasel wording or obfuscation to be found.
That, coupled with Schlussel's less than stellar reputation, seems to pretty well settle the matter, at least to my satisfaction.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:45:53pm |
We-de-de-de
De-de-de-de-de
De-we-um-um-a-way
We-de-de-de
De-de-de-de-de
We-um-um-a-way
A-wimoweh, a-wimoweh
A-wimoweh, a-wimoweh
A-wimoweh, a-wimoweh
A-wimoweh, a-wimoweh
A-wimoweh, a-wimoweh
A-wimoweh, a wimoweh
A-wimoweh, a-wimoweh
A-wimoweh, a-wimoweh
In the muddle,
The rightwing muddle,
The Harpy shrieks tonight
Google doesn't have a cache link yet so I'll let you find it yourself... "Prison" amerika! too funny.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:46:13pm |
re: #281 Stanley Sea
Thank you!!!
No prob! It's helping me out a lot. I think it would be extremely useful for following the twists and turns this weekend. Frankly for all my obsessive interest in it I'll be occupied with other stuff. :)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:46:29pm |
re: #278 RogueOne
A three day binge of high-dollar hookers and alcohol cost enough money to provide HC to at least a family of 4 for two years. I've done the math.
1) Spend enough time on Craigslist, and you'll have anything you could ever hope to get from any high-dollar hooker, including some who will gladly pay YOU. As with hookers, side-effects may include a case of Alzheimer's Bubonic AIDS Cancer; or a meeting with the girl's husband/boyfriend that results in tomorrow's leading newscast beginning with the phrase, "Police say that before turning the gun on himself...."
2) Go buy a half-gallon of Popov vodka. Pour it into your empty Grey Goose bottle(s). None of your guests, and especially none of the hookers, will ever know the difference. Neither will you, after the 4th or 5th double-shot.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:47:00pm |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
The problem is that a lot of stuff on economics and taxes is complicated. It's easy to distort this stuff enough to fool the average person and the fact checking is time consuming. Cato, with their Birch Society funding and history of dishonest articles, mean that they shouldn't be taken seriously. Just like if Crazy Pam or Debbie Schlussel have an exclusive scoop, the best bet is to ignore it because it's probably false. When people link to CATO or Rupert Murdoch articles I just scroll over. If they ask if the story is correct I usually respond, "Probably not".
Yep and nowadays you are right to do so. Some of their older archives are not off base however.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:49:29pm |
re: #282 Killgore Trout
Do you have an issue with euphemisms?
No, but I do have an opportunity for improvement; a challenge which I have made one of my action items on a forward-going basis.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:50:08pm |
Iranian martyr Neda's fiancee visits Israel, visits President Shimon Peres, and says Iran will be free ...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
President Obama should invite him to the White House and give him a platform to speak about his homeland. What a powerful signal it could send to the forces of freedom in Iran.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:51:01pm |
re: #215 iceweasel
Beck: Health-care reform will affect America like the bombing of Pearl Harbor
Video & more at link.
Yeah he's not hyperbolic at all, not one bit ;).
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:51:03pm |
re: #298 negativ
Oh dear god, I don't even really like Vodka and I can easily tell Popov from Gray Goose.
I swear Popov leaches some of the chemicals out of the plastic.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:51:06pm |
So, narrowed down the revolver for the wife (a little house-warming gift; never trusted a woman enough to give her an instrument of lethal violence before) to either a nice S&W M&P (got it held at a local shop for us) or else a Ruger SP101 (in stainless steel).
Practicality says give her the ruger, but I loves me a good S&W, and there's something so RIGHT about blued steel and walnut grips.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:51:40pm |
re: #300 negativ
No, but I do have an opportunity for improvement; a challenge which I have made one of my action items on a forward-going basis.
Is that a euphemism for "I suck"?
///
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:51:40pm |
re: #303 Obdicut
I swear Popov leaches some of the chemicals out of the plastic.
Think you got that backwards.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:54:06pm |
re: #298 negativ
That might work with Smirnoff, but not Popov. Smirnoff, for a cheap brand, is actually pretty smooth.
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Virginia Plain Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:55:10pm |
I want more glam
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:55:23pm |
Speaking of health care, and my own love for saturated fats, I was looking into brown butter - a classic French preparation that I've made many times - and found something new.
Typically, you toss a couple sticks of butter in a saucepan, heat over medium heat while stirring, and allow all the water to simmer off. The milk solids then start to fry in the remaining fat, and give off an incredible aroma universally described as "nutty." You then remove from heat and use for all sorts of things, from cakes to vegetables.
The brown solids are where all the flavor comes from, and although some infuses into the fat, there are elaborate procedures for collecting the solids themselves, usually by straining through cheesecloth. Well, not elaborate, exactly, but the amount of solids you can capture this way is quite small - because there aren't that many milk solids in butter to begin with. It's useful to separate them this way, because you can then transfer that incredible flavor to other foods without bringing all the fat along for the ride, but you have to process a huge amount of butter to get a reasonable amount. You can also do something similar, starting with cream, and do better, but this is a finicky process.
Someone, however, has recently come up with a simple, foolproof solution that enormously increases yields - just add about one quarter part, by weight, of milk solids to one part of butter, and proceed as described above. And where does one find milk solids? Non-fat powdered milk.
Brilliant. I know what I'll be doing tomorrow.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:56:34pm |
re: #298 negativ
Go buy a half-gallon of Popov vodka. Pour it into your empty Grey Goose bottle(s). None of your guests, and especially none of the hookers, will ever know the difference. Neither will you, after the 4th or 5th double-shot.
I used to be a popov guy myself. That's what you drink when you're a broke-ass kid. Recently, though, me and a friend tried an experiment - filtering vokda. Ran it through the Brita, and it definitely tasted better. Run it through again, even better. Seems to max out around 6 times through the Brita. It is definitely acceptable vodka at this point. Not Grey Goose, but pretty good.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:56:38pm |
re: #307 darthstar
That might work with Smirnoff, but not Popov. Smirnoff, for a cheap brand, is actually pretty smooth.
Recollect my old professor, whose de facto butler I had become, and his discipline with regard to alcohol. He drank the best, served his guests the best; Blue Label and Black Label were not unheard of, nor were the more esoteric scotches, brandies, and such-like.
Me, he let me drink Jim Beam, cheap gin, and all the low-grade stuff. Said it was for my own good.
"This is so fine, the quality so superb, that were you to taste it but once, you could never again drink your current liquors. Better that you NOT acquire a preference, or even a knowledge, of such things when your means are so limited."
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:57:15pm |
re: #305 wrenchwench
Is that a euphemism for "I suck"?
///
No, it just means you should drill down and conceptualize your core competencies, and recontextualize your best practices into deliverables in order to impact a sea change.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:57:17pm |
re: #303 Obdicut
Oh dear god, I don't even really like Vodka and I can easily tell Popov from Gray Goose.
I swear Popov leaches some of the chemicals out of the plastic.
Zubrowka Buffalo Grass Vodka - I fell in love with the stuff when I found it in Poland. Drank too many bottles, all by myself.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:57:18pm |
re: #310 cliffster
I used to be a popov guy myself. That's what you drink when you're a broke-ass kid. Recently, though, me and a friend tried an experiment - filtering vokda. Ran it through the Brita, and it definitely tasted better. Run it through again, even better. Seems to max out around 6 times through the Brita. It is definitely acceptable vodka at this point. Not Grey Goose, but pretty good.
Well, hell, you've run it through activated charcoal - 'course it's gonna be smooth.
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avanti Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:57:46pm |
Intrade has heath care reform at 85% this evening, that's pretty high.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:58:15pm |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:58:23pm |
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:58:28pm |
re: #303 Obdicut
Oh dear god, I don't even really like Vodka and I can easily tell Popov from Gray Goose.
I swear Popov leaches some of the chemicals out of the plastic.
You got that right. Your head will hold a grudge for a good long time after a night of Popov...
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:58:38pm |
re: #313 Walter L. Newton
That's illegal in the states, I think.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:58:38pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:59:34pm |
I love how most people are more appalled by the vodka suggestion than by the death-defying Craigslist Roulette idea.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 4:59:57pm |
re: #312 negativ
No, it just means you should drill down and conceptualize your core competencies, and recontextualize your best practices into deliverables in order to impact a sea change.
Gosh, I don't think I've ever recontextualized anything! Does it hurt?
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:00:17pm |
re: #311 Guanxi88
Yep...I've found good vodka (Grey Goose, Hangar One) and bourbon (Knobb Creek, Eagle Rare, etc.) and scotch (Oban, Laphroaig, etc)...buying one of each usually adds 100 bucks to the grocery bill.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:00:30pm |
re: #319 Obdicut
That's illegal in the states, I think.
for a while they said it was not a "pure spirit" because of the buffalo grass... I have seen it in some of the better store though.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:00:34pm |
re: #322 negativ
My friend bought a toaster off of craiglist the other day and found a dildo inside.
Untoasted.
I'm going to miss this city.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:01:47pm |
re: #319 Obdicut
That's illegal in the states, I think.
There is a US version, missing the coumarin... I don't like it. But it doesn't matter, I don't drink anymore. I stopped drinking just around the same time Absinthe became legal here... really good I stopped about that time, I love Absinthe and probably could have killed myself on it... or drawn wonderful posters.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:01:53pm |
re: #325 brookly red
Looks like they sell a version to the states that doesn't have the active chemical that got it banned:
When produced according to traditional methods (between one and two kilograms of grass per thousand litres of alcohol), Żubrówka contains approximately 12 milligrams of coumarin per litre. In 1999, Polish distilleries introduced reformulated U.S.-export versions of the product, sometimes using artificial flavours and colours, always with the emblematic blade of grass in every bottle, but "neutralised" and coumarin-free.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:01:53pm |
re: #326 Obdicut
My friend bought a toaster off of craiglist the other day and found a dildo inside.
Untoasted.
I'm going to miss this city.
I'd think twice before buying something I plan on putting food in from Craigslist. Just sayin'.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:02:07pm |
re: #310 cliffster
I used to be a popov guy myself. That's what you drink when you're a broke-ass kid. Recently, though, me and a friend tried an experiment - filtering vokda. Ran it through the Brita, and it definitely tasted better. Run it through again, even better. Seems to max out around 6 times through the Brita. It is definitely acceptable vodka at this point. Not Grey Goose, but pretty good.
I'm assuming that you did the taste test after each run.
If true, see the problem with your logic?
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:02:42pm |
re: #324 darthstar
Yep...I've found good vodka (Grey Goose, Hangar One) and bourbon (Knobb Creek, Eagle Rare, etc.) and scotch (Oban, Laphroaig, etc)...buying one of each usually adds 100 bucks to the grocery bill.
I did him one better. Bought cheap-ass red wine and ran it through a homemade still, then learned how to make sugar wine and ran THAT through a still.
I showed him. Guy actually drank some of my eau de vie, took and kept a bottle; convinced others that he knew this ONE guy out in the sticks who still made it the old-fashioned way. hell, i was in Brighton, in the student ghetto, and bought whatever red wine was on sale.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:03:40pm |
re: #321 Guanxi88
Talking Heads' "Remain In Light", and David Byrne & Brian Eno's "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts" are masterpieces.
And if you do not agree?
I will fight you.
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avanti Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:04:11pm |
re: #317 Walter L. Newton
Does that mean 85% chance of passing?
Nope, it means you can win big money betting it won't pass if it does not. The Intrade market predicts a 85% chance of passage.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:04:16pm |
re: #328 Obdicut
Looks like they sell a version to the states that doesn't have the active chemical that got it banned:
I will have to look into this... I can't really hold Brooklyn up as a standard because as you can imagine just because something is sold here you can't assume it's legal.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:05:10pm |
re: #324 darthstar
Yep...I've found good vodka (Grey Goose, Hangar One) and bourbon (Knobb Creek, Eagle Rare, etc.) and scotch (Oban, Laphroaig, etc)...buying one of each usually adds 100 bucks to the grocery bill.
He really loved it when I brought him back a mason jar full of high-grade white lightning from the last trip I made to visit my family. He dispensed that in little half-shots to the eager guests of the Boston Area Colloquium in Medieval Philosophy to great approbation.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:05:18pm |
re: #330 Naso Tang
I'm assuming that you did the taste test after each run.
If true, see the problem with your logic?
hahaha.. nice. Yes, we did foresee this issue. We actually prepared batches at each level of filteredness ahead of time, and took a sip at each level. A SIP, I swear.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:05:31pm |
*throws some God speed You! Black Emperor all over the thread and runs away*
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:05:33pm |
re: #333 negativ
Talking Heads' "Remain In Light", and David Byrne & Brian Eno's "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts" are masterpieces.
And if you do not agree?
I will fight you.
Hey, I'm a tumbler/
Born under punches.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:07:03pm |
Are there any good Polish vodkas that the liquor and ABC stores sell by chance? Always have wanted to try Polish vodka to contrast it with Russian and also Absolut which was my first vodka I tried way back when I was 16-17. I've found I much prefer whiskey over vodka anyway but I enjoy trying new things.
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webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:07:33pm |
Showing off.
I was outside taking pictures today and the Goddess graced me with her presence for a few minutes:
[Link: yfrog.com...]
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:07:58pm |
re: #332 Guanxi88
I had a still once, in Kuwait, and recently find myself sharing technicalities, and taste testing, with a neighbor in his 80's in "Deliverance" country.
I had no idea...
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:08:25pm |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:09:04pm |
re: #345 Obdicut
I really like Belvedere.
My brother really likes Chopin.
I'll keep an eye out for either. Are they pricey? I've gotta be fairly cheap since I am on the whole student budget thing heh.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:09:51pm |
K.T. Tunstall
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:10:04pm |
re: #343 webevintage
Showing off.
I was outside taking pictures today and the Goddess graced me with her presence for a few minutes:
[Link: yfrog.com...]
I saw that picture and immediately sneezed. Pretty kitty though
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:10:29pm |
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:10:42pm |
re: #344 Naso Tang
I had a still once, in Kuwait, and recently find myself sharing technicalities, and taste testing, with a neighbor in his 80's in "Deliverance" country.
I had no idea...
Gotta do whatcha gotta do; tip my hat to any moonshiner in the Persian Gulf; makes the ATF look like the boy scouts, from what I heard,
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:10:52pm |
re: #323 wrenchwench
In 1939, a man named Eugen Weidmann became the last person to ever be executed publicly in France. The French being French, it was of course done by means of the Guillotine.
The "hysterical behavior" by spectators was so scandalous that French president Albert Lebrun immediately banned all future public executions. Unknown to authorities, film of the execution was shot from a private apartment adjacent to the prison. British actor Christopher Lee, who was 17 at the time, witnessed this event.
They say that when the moon is full and the wind is still, you can sometimes catch a glimpse of Headless Eugen recontextualizing. FOR ETERNITY.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:12:19pm |
Question: Besides Cao from Louisiana, what other Republican house members might be willing to vote Yes on Sunday? Cao voted yes in November, but has said he'd vote no this weekend, unless he saw changes in the abortion language. I'm guessing he might vote yes again.
But what about the others? Certainly, there are Republican representatives who are wondering if they want to head into November defending their choice to deny health care improvements for their constituents.
So, you lizards are scattered about the country...any reps in your state you think might have the self-respect to vote for this bill? Or is party loyalty their only reason for being in office?
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:12:48pm |
re: #343 webevintage
Showing off.
I was outside taking pictures today and the Goddess graced me with her presence for a few minutes:
[Link: yfrog.com...]
Made me feel sad. Her name was Colby and we had to take her to the vet and leave her there a few years ago.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:13:23pm |
re: #353 darthstar
Question: Besides Cao from Louisiana, what other Republican house members might be willing to vote Yes on Sunday? Cao voted yes in November, but has said he'd vote no this weekend, unless he saw changes in the abortion language. I'm guessing he might vote yes again.
But what about the others? Certainly, there are Republican representatives who are wondering if they want to head into November defending their choice to deny health care improvements for their constituents.
So, you lizards are scattered about the country...any reps in your state you think might have the self-respect to vote for this bill? Or is party loyalty their only reason for being in office?
What changes were made in the abortion language? I thought there was no abortion language in the bill?
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:13:44pm |
re: #343 webevintage
Showing off.
I was outside taking pictures today and the Goddess graced me with her presence for a few minutes:
[Link: yfrog.com...]
Pretty pootie.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:14:10pm |
re: #353 darthstar
So, you lizards are scattered about the country...any reps in your state you think might have the self-respect to vote for this bill? Or is party loyalty their only reason for being in office?
Are you asking about Republicans or Democrats?//
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:15:01pm |
re: #355 Walter L. Newton
What changes were made in the abortion language? I thought there was no abortion language in the bill?
There isn't...it upholds existing law and doesn't change that. Abortion is a red herring that people who don't want to support something throw out there because no matter how true it is or isn't, it guarantees an emotional response from the rabid right.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:17:11pm |
re: #353 darthstar
good lord, what a loaded question. What if I asked it like this - "Are any democrats going to vote against the bill, or are they all idiots that are so frightened of Obama they'll do whatever he says?"
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:17:33pm |
re: #349 HoosierHoops
I love her! Thanks
You are most Welcome; for me it's "Tough yet Tender" Rocker Chick night... it started with Suzi Quatro (the English / Chinn Chapman prototype) and then proceeded to Joan Jett, Cherie Curie, Lita Ford, Pat Benatar, etc. etc. etc.
Here's another
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:17:42pm |
re: #358 Naso Tang
Are you asking about Republicans or Democrats?//
Oh, you funny one. Health Care reform is about us, not about the party in power. Even a number of ex-Senators (Republicans) and ex-Representatives(Republicans also) have said that this bill should have bipartisan support. But the party of no chose to go all in thinking they could use fear to keep the bill from passing--and never offered an intelligent option.
Now they're in the corner. What do they do? Do they gamble that Americans will be outraged that the government is trying to help them?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:18:02pm |
Little tales of American entrepreneurship, episode III:
I cracked the screen on my iPhone a while back. Apple wanted a flat fee of $199 to fix it.
On Craigslist I found a local woman who used to work at Apple and does the job for $40 (special rate: normally $65). She fixed it at her dining-room table in under an hour, and when she was done, the next guy was waiting.
The phone is perfect again, and I made a new friend. One who has a complete set of jeweler's tools, in case I need my Patek Phillipe repaired.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:18:24pm |
re: #360 cliffster
good lord, what a loaded question. What if I asked it like this - "Are any democrats going to vote against the bill, or are they all idiots that are so frightened of Obama they'll do whatever he says?"
There are five Democrats that will vote No. Maybe more. But the Democrats only have a 75 seat majority.
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webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:19:04pm |
re: #354 Naso Tang
Made me feel sad. Her name was Colby and we had to take her to the vet and leave her there a few years ago.
{{{{{{{Naso Tang}}}}}}}}
I love my pets, I hate that they can't live as long as us.
She's an evil cat....but she loves me...
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:19:22pm |
re: #364 darthstar
There are five Democrats that will vote No. Maybe more. But the Democrats only have a 75 seat majority.
Right. But you get my point about asking a loaded question.
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avanti Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:19:37pm |
re: #355 Walter L. Newton
What changes were made in the abortion language? I thought there was no abortion language in the bill?
The senate bill specifically bans federal funding of abortion as does the Hyde amendment. If you got federal assistance for heath care and wanted abortion coverage, you'd need a separate rider that had to be paid separately.
What the blue dogs want is a total ban on coverage for abortions even if you request and pay extra for it.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:20:04pm |
Berkeley Slammed for 'Bigoted, Illegal' Vote on Divestment
Student politicians from the University of California at Berkeley voted Thursday to divest from Israel. The Student Senate voted 16-4 to call on the university to divest its funds from General Electric and from United Technologies, because both companies produce weapons purchased by the Israeli army. The bill calling for divestment was co-sponsored by students Emiliano Huet-Vaughn and Tom Pessah, the latter an anti-Zionist Israeli citizen.
The bill noted the “complexity” of the Israel-Arab conflict, but went on to accuse Israel of violating international law with a “prolonged siege” on Gaza and “attacks on Palestinian and Lebanese civilians,” accusations based on statements from radical left NGO's critical of Israel such as Physicians for Human Rights and Human Rights Watch.
The vote was met with glee from anti-Israel activists. Radical anti-Israel activist and Tel Aviv University student Omar Barghouti expressed hope that the Berkeley vote would be “the watershed, the crossing of the threshold in the spread of BDS [Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions – ed.] across the US that many of us have been waiting to see.”
Prominent American attorney and political commentator Alan Dershowitz slammed the vote as “immoral” and “bigoted.” Divesting from Israel “encourages terrorism and discourages peace,” he said.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:20:07pm |
re: #170 keloyd
In other news, Cato the Elder, if you're here, there's a poster in my local Jason's Deli identical to your avatar. It's kind of spooky seeing you where you don't belong.
Gimme details. I'm gonna sue. My lawyers are the same guys who represent the Disney Rat.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:20:30pm |
re: #366 cliffster
Right. But you get my point about asking a loaded question.
Yes, but the question stands...are there any Republicans who will cross the line to vote for this? What about your reps? I'm guessing that a dozen might...maybe more.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:21:18pm |
re: #350 Guanxi88
Gotta do whatcha gotta do; tip my hat to any moonshiner in the Persian Gulf; makes the ATF look like the boy scouts, from what I heard,
Oh, I'm talking the late 70's. The area was quite civil then. No "Jihad" ongoing and as long as you weren't selling for profit nobody cared much. One could bring in a couple of bottles in the suitcase and as long as one told the customs agent exactly what one had and in which suitcase they would verify and give you a pass. If you lied it would be taken and put in the private store of the royal family.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:21:49pm |
re: #362 darthstar
Oh, you funny one. Health Care reform is about us, not about the party in power. Even a number of ex-Senators (Republicans) and ex-Representatives(Republicans also) have said that this bill should have bipartisan support. But the party of no chose to go all in thinking they could use fear to keep the bill from passing--and never offered an intelligent option.
Now they're in the corner. What do they do? Do they gamble that Americans will be outraged that the government is trying to help them?
"They are in the corner... do they gamble..." They have already gambled... they are not voting for this. Why is that so hard for anyone to understand. You keep asking questions like the GOP is not sure of what they are doing. They are certainly sure of their position. And except for throwing a few extra wrenches into the works between now and Sunday, they are out of this.
It's going to pass, right? You don't have anything to worry about, do you?
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Cheechako Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:21:59pm |
Forget about HCR. Here's some vitality important legislation:
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:22:17pm |
For the record, I have as much to do with the Cato Institute as Glenn Beck has to do with German beer.
Those guys asked me if they could use my name, but they completely misrepresented themselves, and I haven't gotten a royalty check in over a decade.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:22:27pm |
The only thing fun about a 1 versus 16 basketball game is watching the fans for the 16 team.
Daayam they are glad to be there.
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ryannon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:23:39pm |
Most of the change we think we see in life
Is due to truths being in and out of favor.
— Robert Frost
ain't it the troof.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:24:01pm |
re: #373 Cheechako
Forget about HCR. Here's some vitality important legislation:
Potty parity is purty 'portant.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:24:17pm |
re: #362 darthstar
Now they're in the corner. What do they do? Do they gamble that Americans will be outraged that the government is trying to help them?
According to Fox 98% of the public is against the whole idea; so where's the risk in saying "NO".?//
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:24:26pm |
re: #370 darthstar
Yes, but the question stands...are there any Republicans who will cross the line to vote for this? What about your reps? I'm guessing that a dozen might...maybe more.
fancy a wager?
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:25:07pm |
re: #372 Walter L. Newton
"They are in the corner... do they gamble..." They have already gambled... they are not voting for this. Why is that so hard for anyone to understand. You keep asking questions like the GOP is not sure of what they are doing. They are certainly sure of their position. And except for throwing a few extra wrenches into the works between now and Sunday, they are out of this.
It's going to pass, right? You don't have anything to worry about, do you?
They're being misled. John Boehner is a safe seat. He's been in congress long enough that his constituents just say, "reelect the orange one so he doesn't cry". But Boehner is so far off on his strategy that he is putting his fellow Republicans at risk. If they want to gain seats, they should think about how losing this battle is going to look for them. Voting yes gives some Republicans cover in November.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:25:16pm |
re: #361 Thanos
You are most Welcome; for me it's "Tough yet Tender" Rocker Chick night... it started with Suzi Quatro (the English / Chinn Chapman prototype) and then proceeded to Joan Jett, Cherie Curie, Lita Ford, Pat Benatar, etc. etc. etc.
There's not a damned thing tender about Joan Jett. This is a good thing.
If you haven't already seen Edgeplay, you should see it. I never did (and still don't) give a crap about the Runaways' music, but I thought that was really interesting.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:25:18pm |
Potty Parity. Next up, the Sharing is Caring Resolution of 2010.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:26:00pm |
re: #363 Cato the Elder
That's a handy new "friend". AKA tradesperson. Not REALLY a friend. Usefull, though. Nice find! How'd you find this person?
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The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:26:12pm |
re: #359 darthstar
There isn't...it upholds existing law and doesn't change that. Abortion is a red herring that people who don't want to support something throw out there because no matter how true it is or isn't, it guarantees an emotional response from the rabid right.
Actually the folks you are referring to are Dems. One from Michigan I believe.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:26:41pm |
re: #372 Walter L. Newton
"They are in the corner... do they gamble..." They have already gambled... they are not voting for this. Why is that so hard for anyone to understand. You keep asking questions like the GOP is not sure of what they are doing. They are certainly sure of their position. And except for throwing a few extra wrenches into the works between now and Sunday, they are out of this.
It's going to pass, right? You don't have anything to worry about, do you?
the entire episode is like something out of a Three Stooges Show....the hysteria around this HCR piece of crap is an embarrassment for all Americans...who gives a fuck any more...the damage has been done and once again the feds have been exposed for what they are...slimeballs
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:27:03pm |
re: #384 The Shadow Do
Actually the folks you are referring to are Dems. One from Michigan I believe.
details...
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Escaped Hillbilly Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:27:04pm |
re: #28 SixDegrees Actually, he was a second lawyer from Dominican Repub who was supposed to be assisting the primary lawyer but instead took their money and ran. They can hardly be smeared because while they were sitting in jail some ambulance chaser duped them...and their Haititan attorney, who appears above board.
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:27:47pm |
re: #373 Cheechako
Forget about HCR. Here's some vitality important legislation:
When March Fong Eu was Secretary of State in California, she put an end to pay toilets because they discriminate against women. The next day when she got to work, she needed a nickel to get into her office.
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darthstar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:27:50pm |
re: #384 The Shadow Do
Actually the folks you are referring to are Dems. One from Michigan I believe.
Good point. But people like Stupak rely on the rabid right as well.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:28:08pm |
re: #365 webevintage
I love my pets, I hate that they can't live as long asstage.us.
There will probably be one that lives longer, if you are old enough to pass the immortality stage.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:28:35pm |
re: #380 darthstar
They're being misled. John Boehner is a safe seat. He's been in congress long enough that his constituents just say, "reelect the orange one so he doesn't cry". But Boehner is so far off on his strategy that he is putting his fellow Republicans at risk. If they want to gain seats, they should think about how losing this battle is going to look for them. Voting yes gives some Republicans cover in November.
Specious argument. Republicans aren't in any position to "win" anything - they hold solid minorities in both houses.
It's all on the Democrats, no matter which way the final vote goes. The only ones who seem to be wailing over the Republicans are those already firmly planted in unshakeable Democratic support.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:29:36pm |
re: #372 Walter L. Newton
It's going to pass, right?
I wouldn't say that. Anything can happen. And there's a few undecideds.
Rep. Frank: Health Care Could Still Fail; 'Nothing Preordained'
“Sure, there’s always a chance of things happening,” said Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. “I will say I have experienced a move more towards support on the part of a lot of people. Look, I represent a state where health care is important, not simply as a service for people, but it’s one of our main economic industries. And I have not had anybody who’s in the business of providing health care or receiving it, obviously, tell me this is bad for us.”
“So I think there’s obviously clearly a move in its favor. But no, nothing is or ought to be preordained in a democracy,” he added.
If it were a done deal the rightwing puke funnel wouldn't be spewing out fake memos and going into overdrive.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:30:01pm |
re: #380 darthstar
They're being misled. John Boehner is a safe seat. He's been in congress long enough that his constituents just say, "reelect the orange one so he doesn't cry". But Boehner is so far off on his strategy that he is putting his fellow Republicans at risk. If they want to gain seats, they should think about how losing this battle is going to look for them. Voting yes gives some Republicans cover in November.
I am going to run this pass yo one more time. What does it matter? Why are you even concerned with whether "Boehner is so far off on his strategy that he is putting his fellow Republicans at risk?"
You talk like the GOP is going to self destruct, yet you keep offering ways that they can prevent that.
Let's rejoice... in Nov. they are going to loose seat after seat. The country will be so disgusted with the GOP it will take them 20 years to recover from this.
Be proud, be strong... be a Democrat.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:30:35pm |
re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The only thing fun about a 1 versus 16 basketball game is watching the fans for the 16 team.
Daayam they are glad to be there.
Oh Veggie..My picks just suck this year..Last year I was pretty good...
It's bad..I was 9/16 yesterday...The Hoopster is just getting crushed this year in the brackets...
Dang it!
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:30:37pm |
re: #385 albusteve
the entire episode is like something out of a Three Stooges Show...the hysteria around this HCR piece of crap is an embarrassment for all Americans...who gives a fuck any more...the damage has been done and once again the feds have been exposed for what they are...slimeballs
While I can agree with some of your sentiments, your "feds" obsession kind of negates the substance of what you might have meant.
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SixDegrees Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:30:51pm |
re: #382 HappyWarrior
Potty Parity. Next up, the Sharing is Caring Resolution of 2010.
Unfortunately, legislation like this forces the use of new buildings over old, as noted in the article. As someone who thinks we pay far too little attention to historic preservation, this is troubling.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:31:28pm |
Runaway
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:33:56pm |
re: #394 HoosierHoops
Here, pal. Have a ding.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:33:56pm |
Hazy
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:34:27pm |
re: #387 Escaped Hillbilly
Actually, he was a second lawyer from Dominican Repub who was supposed to be assisting the primary lawyer but instead took their money and ran. They can hardly be smeared because while they were sitting in jail some ambulance chaser duped them...and their Haititan attorney, who appears above board.
I just heard on the news, that all of the children, all of them, were returned to their parents. The one lady in charge is still in jail.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:35:03pm |
re: #391 SixDegrees
Specious argument. Republicans aren't in any position to "win" anything - they hold solid minorities in both houses.
It's all on the Democrats, no matter which way the final vote goes. The only ones who seem to be wailing over the Republicans are those already firmly planted in unshakeable Democratic support.
Talk about "concerned trolling." Look at all the "concern" for the GOP right now... "putting his fellow Republicans at risk," "If they want to gain seats," "want to gain seats," "is going to look for them," "gives some Republicans cover in November" ... wow, so much concern... I almost want to send a donation to the MoveOn or something like that.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:35:14pm |
re: #395 Naso Tang
While I can agree with some of your sentiments, your "feds" obsession kind of negates the substance of what you might have meant.
like the rabid right obsession?...that sort of thing?...it's turned into a cult especially and primarily with the left...this 'obsession' that the govt is going to bring "massive relief to millions and millions of people"...almost makes me want to gag, but it still has some entertainment value...the squabbling partisanship that is...buncha twits imo
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:35:26pm |
re: #399 cliffster
Wow, it's tents in here again tonight.
Guy goes to his psychiatrist. Says, "I just don't get it. Sometimes I think I'm a teepee sometimes I think I'm a wigwam."
Psychiatrist says, "Oh, you just too tense."
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:36:12pm |
re: #399 cliffster
Wow, it's tents in here again tonight.
every night...the rabid leftbangers vrs the rabid rightballs
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:37:54pm |
re: #400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Here, pal. Have a ding.
Thanks Bro...
I'm over it..Damn Commercialism on CBS!
5
5 dollar
5 dollar foot long
You guys are killing me...Why not pound a nail into my head?
/
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:38:09pm |
re: #228 Killgore Trout
Okay, can you explain/show me the Bircher influence in this page there?
[Link: www.cato.org...]
Or here?
[Link: www.cato.org...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:38:42pm |
re: #407 HoosierHoops
I haven't been in a Subway since I discovered Quiznos.
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The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:38:43pm |
re: #386 brookly red
details...
Would have to go hunting. This wingnut caught a few minutes of PBS news complete with analysis of the 35 or so stray Dem congress types. There was a soundbite from some anit-abortion congressman opposing the bill because the anti abortion spending verbage was not strong enough for him and a few others as I gathered. I'm sure he was a Michigan congressman.
In spite of the talking points, this is all Dem legislation, all the way. As for me, I suspect the victory to come will pyrrhic for the Dems. Time will tell. Hope it works out ok in the end.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:39:54pm |
re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Guy goes to his psychiatrist. Says, "I just don't get it. Sometimes I think I'm a teepee sometimes I think I'm a wigwam."
Psychiatrist says, "Oh, you just too tense."
nice work, He Who Eats Vegetables
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:41:26pm |
re: #410 The Shadow Do
Would have to go hunting. This wingnut caught a few minutes of PBS news complete with analysis of the 35 or so stray Dem congress types. There was a soundbite from some anit-abortion congressman opposing the bill because the anti abortion spending verbage was not strong enough for him and a few others as I gathered. I'm sure he was a Michigan congressman.
In spite of the talking points, this is all Dem legislation, all the way. As for me, I suspect the victory to come will pyrrhic for the Dems. Time will tell. Hope it works out ok in the end.
LOL, I was not asking for details... I was just being snarky in my agreement with you.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:42:07pm |
re: #411 cliffster
There's a story that goes with that. I have a friend who is notoriously bad joke teller. (laughs as he's telling the joke and normally will screw up a punchline)... heard that joke and told it to his wife...
"And the psychiatrist said, 'Oh, you're just a couple of tents."
His wife tells that story every time I turn around.
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The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:42:39pm |
re: #412 brookly red
LOL, I was not asking for details... I was just being snarky in my agreement with you.
Oh
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:42:42pm |
re: #406 albusteve
every night...the rabid leftbangers vrs the rabid rightballs
The lines are drawn, there really is not much to say, IMO.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:43:16pm |
re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I haven't been in a Subway since I discovered Quiznos.
They will insist on building them above ground.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:44:20pm |
re: #368 Shiplord Kirel
Fucking Berkeley. Other than engineers, does anything good come out of that place?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:44:50pm |
re: #394 HoosierHoops
Ever notice that Duke has, pretty consistently un-attractive ball players.
They're as ugly as the Celtics from back in the day; Bird, McKale, Chief, DJ, Walton...
Hell, if it weren't for Danny Ainge, none of them could've gotten laid.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:44:58pm |
re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I haven't been in a Subway since I discovered Quiznos.
I just had the most intense craving for an eggplant pram hero from my local pizza joint.
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cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:45:44pm |
re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ha! There's one in every crowd
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:46:08pm |
Those crazies at CATO!
///
Obama's (and Bush's) Enemy Combatant Policy
Ever since the failed Christmas bombing, Republicans have smelled blood in the political waters, and they've assailed President Obama for his allegedly soft-on-terror policies.
This campaign is based on phony charges, and it's a dangerous distraction from the fight for limited government.
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Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:47:38pm |
re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist
Period of the school day. We have a 'tumbling block' schedule, which has many educational advantages, and also makes sure that for the first month of school the freshman have no idea at any given moment where they are supposed to be.
Heh, when I was a freshman I had no idea where I was supposed to be at any given moment, so I usually wasn't.
//
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:48:40pm |
re: #421 Rightwingconspirator
Those crazies at CATO!
///Obama's (and Bush's) Enemy Combatant Policy
Ever since the failed Christmas bombing, Republicans have smelled blood in the political waters, and they've assailed President Obama for his allegedly soft-on-terror policies.
This campaign is based on phony charges, and it's a dangerous distraction from the fight for limited government.
Good find, RWR. We can't afford to chase red herrings, and terror policies were just such a thing.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:48:43pm |
Okay, here's my healthcare thingy.
Might pass. Might even get by the Senate.
In ten years, I'd love to eat my words on this... the new American Health Care System will be buried in debt and red tape.
Just a hunch. Can't link my hunches.
I pray that I am wrong.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:48:48pm |
re: #409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I haven't been in a Subway since I discovered Quiznos.
We have one here..I'm on a first name basis..
Winston orders a Tuna melt with extra cheese toasted with just a dash of Mustard and bacon (I don''t judge him) ..
I would never eat bacon..I forgive poor Winston...He would rob a bank over it..
Some dogs..They are spoiled
Must be commies
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wrenchwench Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:48:50pm |
re: #417 Dark_Falcon
Fucking Berkeley. Other than engineers, does anything good come out of that place?
My youngest brother got his undergraduate degree there. He's now a batrachologist.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:48:50pm |
re: #404 albusteve
like the rabid right obsession?...that sort of thing?
Not that; just "the feds" thing, left or right or whatever.
...it's turned into a cult especially and primarily with the left
If were to opine (as much as I dislike the word), the primary cult I hear is "NO", or "Start from scratch", or "Abortion"...
...this 'obsession' that the govt is going to bring "massive relief to millions and millions of people"
I don't see that at all. I employed someone the past two weeks who hasn't filed income tax for years and of course has no insurance, but is suffering from newly onset arthritis and is getting treatment even though he can't pay. You and I pay, and I don't deny him the help, but I do think he could have paid towards it before the recession and lessened the load on everyone else at the cost of some entertainment.
If there is relief at all, it will likely be more for those who pay their way than those who don't, because the only reason the Glenn Becks of the world think they don't pay now is because the accounting is on a different book.
...almost makes me want to gag, but it still has some entertainment value...the squabbling partisanship that is...buncha twits imo
I agree with that.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:48:53pm |
re: #417 Dark_Falcon
Fucking Berkeley. Other than engineers, does anything good come out of that place?
/dumpster muffin?
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:49:30pm |
Immigrant Song
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:49:59pm |
re: #421 Rightwingconspirator
Those crazies at CATO!
///Obama's (and Bush's) Enemy Combatant Policy
Ever since the failed Christmas bombing, Republicans have smelled blood in the political waters, and they've assailed President Obama for his allegedly soft-on-terror policies.
This campaign is based on phony charges, and it's a dangerous distraction from the fight for limited government.
Your link doesn't work for me. :(
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:50:06pm |
re: #426 HoosierHoops
We have one here..I'm on a first name basis..
Winston orders a Tuna melt with extra cheese toasted with just a dash of Mustard and bacon (I don''t judge him) ..
I would never eat bacon..I forgive poor Winston...He would rob a bank over it..
Some dogs..They are spoiled
Must be commies
commies... hmmm, they do run in Packs.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:50:34pm |
re: #408 Rightwingconspirator
Okay, can you explain/show me the Bircher influence in this page there?
[Link: www.cato.org...]
Or here?
[Link: www.cato.org...]
As libertarians they love guns and hate the IRS. The Fair Tax was originally part of the plan to abolish the IRS which was started by the Scientologists and was eventually picked up by the Birch Society.
Sorry, I don't take the Cato Institute seriously. You can if you want to.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:50:50pm |
re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ever notice that Duke has, pretty consistently un-attractive ball players.
They're as ugly as the Celtics from back in the day; Bird, McKale, Chief, DJ, Walton...
Hell, if it weren't for Danny Ainge, none of them could've gotten laid.
LOL
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:51:38pm |
Close my eyes...
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Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:52:31pm |
Rumour spreadin' a-'round in that Texas town
'bout that shack outside La Grange
and you know what I'm talkin' about.
Just let me know if you wanna go
to that home out on the range.
They gotta lotta nice girls.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:53:16pm |
re: #433 Killgore Trout
As libertarians they love guns and hate the IRS. The Fair Tax was originally part of the plan to abolish the IRS which was started by the Scientologists and was eventually picked up by the Birch Society.
Sorry, I don't take the Cato Institute seriously. You can if you want to.
I have no problem with cato per say, but really wtf is a think tank ? & how can I get paid for that kinda stuff?
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Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:53:20pm |
re: #425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, here's my healthcare thingy.
Might pass. Might even get by the Senate.
In ten years, I'd love to eat my words on this... the new American Health Care System will be buried in debt and red tape.
Just a hunch. Can't link my hunches.
I pray that I am wrong.
Heh.
The government always it gets done on time and under budget right?
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jaunte Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:53:25pm |
re: #425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, here's my healthcare thingy.
Might pass. Might even get by the Senate.
In ten years, I'd love to eat my words on this... the new American Health Care System will be buried in debt and red tape.
Just a hunch. Can't link my hunches.
I pray that I am wrong.
I think that's highly probable.
WaPo:
But perhaps the biggest risk that could cause the budget impact to diverge from the CBO estimates comes from Congress. The estimates assume that the legislation plays out as written over the coming decade, which would mean reining in the growth of payments to doctors and hospitals and implementing a tax on high-cost health insurance plans.Those two policies are responsible for bringing in the revenue and cost savings that allow the plan to expand coverage to 32 million more Americans yet, according to the projections, bring down the deficit.
But that falls apart if a future Congress finds the cuts or taxes too painful to handle and overturns them.
There is precedent for that. The alternative minimum tax, for example, is a policy that under law would increasingly affect more middle- and upper-middle-income people and bring the government tens of billions of dollars. But Congress invariably adjusts the tax every year, preventing it from ensnaring those additional American families.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:53:38pm |
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
Thanks! I could find a great deal more but I have made my point about CATO, and please not I disagree with plenty of stuff there. Hopefully I have gotten some to take a less presumptive attitude about that site.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:54:41pm |
re: #427 wrenchwench
My youngest brother got his undergraduate degree there. He's now a batrachologist.
Cool. Sorry I was ragging on Berkley. It's just that some of the stuff that comes out of that place makes my blood boil.
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webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:54:47pm |
re: #384 The Shadow Do
Actually the folks you are referring to are Dems. One from Michigan I believe.
Bart "the wimmins are being mean to me" Stupak
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keloyd Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:55:07pm |
re: #369 Cato the Elder
Gimme details. I'm gonna sue. My lawyers are the same guys who represent the Disney Rat.
It's the damndest thing. A larger than life size photo of the statue or bust , but it looks an awful lot like you, and it was looking right at me the whole time wierding me out. I gave it a "you belong on my computer, not in real life" look, but it said nothing.
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The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:55:21pm |
I love watching all the last minute Democrat changy minders. My favorite is the guy, who having held out to the last hand for the goods Obama is laying out there, suddenly steps up to the microphone today and bravely, bravely I say, announces that though he knows his constituents may not agree...he has decided, in the end, to vote his conscience. Very dramatic. I figure bravery can be had for, I dunno, $250K or so in campaign funding?
Brave, brave Sir Congressman...bravely votes away
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:55:42pm |
re: #440 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks! I could find a great deal more but I have made my point about CATO, and please not I disagree with plenty of stuff there. Hopefully I have gotten some to take a less presumptive attitude about that site.
Sorry, but the link didn't work. i posted before I clicked. :(
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Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:56:02pm |
re: #441 Dark_Falcon
Cool. Sorry I was ragging on Berkley. It's just that some of the stuff that comes out of that place makes my blood boil.
Berkley is actually a pretty good school. Some of the students I wonder about though.
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The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:56:39pm |
re: #426 HoosierHoops
We have one here..I'm on a first name basis..
Winston orders a Tuna melt with extra cheese toasted with just a dash of Mustard and bacon (I don''t judge him) ..
I would never eat bacon..I forgive poor Winston...He would rob a bank over it..
Some dogs..They are spoiled
Must be commies
Nope, good capitalists all. No sharing! Grrrrrrrrrrrr.....I'll fight you for my shit!
| 448 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:56:56pm |
re: #429 brookly red
/dumpster muffin?
Heh. She didn't come out of Berkley, she came out of a dumpster (at Berkley).
| 449 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:57:12pm |
Ok done with the theme, back to your regular programming, here's a song with a Bazillion covers on teh youtubes...
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:57:26pm |
re: #444 The Shadow Do
I love watching all the last minute Democrat changy minders. My favorite is the guy, who having held out to the last hand for the goods Obama is laying out there, suddenly steps up to the microphone today and bravely, bravely I say, announces that though he knows his constituents may not agree...he has decided, in the end, to vote his conscience. Very dramatic. I figure bravery can be had for, I dunno, $250K or so in campaign funding?
Brave, brave Sir Congressman...bravely votes away
so much for representational government...
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Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:57:31pm |
re: #444 The Shadow Do
I love watching all the last minute Democrat changy minders. My favorite is the guy, who having held out to the last hand for the goods Obama is laying out there, suddenly steps up to the microphone today and bravely, bravely I say, announces that though he knows his constituents may not agree...he has decided, in the end, to vote his conscience. Very dramatic. I figure bravery can be had for, I dunno, $250K or so in campaign funding?
Brave, brave Sir Congressman...bravely votes away
Ha!
Yep - this is politics in action for sure. I'm on the fence on this bill - we need something but, dayam.
A Trillion Dollars?
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The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:57:52pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:58:46pm |
re: #444 The Shadow Do
I love watching all the last minute Democrat changy minders. My favorite is the guy, who having held out to the last hand for the goods Obama is laying out there, suddenly steps up to the microphone today and bravely, bravely I say, announces that though he knows his constituents may not agree...he has decided, in the end, to vote his conscience. Very dramatic. I figure bravery can be had for, I dunno, $250K or so in campaign funding?
Brave, brave Sir Congressman...bravely votes away
And when Jimmy Carter gives his support, we can sic the Killer Rabbit on him.
/just using another Monty Python theme
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Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:59:55pm |
Would you be OK with putting a million dollars on your Visa card?
America is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care.
I sure hope this thing doesn't backfire big time.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 5:59:55pm |
Smackdown in congress: Anthony Weiner on the fake memo (video)
Ouch.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:00:44pm |
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webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:01:04pm |
re: #455 Killgore Trout
Smackdown in congress: Anthony Weiner on the fake memo (video)
Ouch.
He is made of awesome sauce.
I noticed Crazy Virginia Fox tried to get involved there....
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:01:55pm |
re: #454 Racer X
Would you be OK with putting a million dollars on your Visa card?
America is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care.
I sure hope this thing doesn't backfire big time.
/what could possibly go wrong?
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:02:24pm |
re: #447 The Shadow Do
Nope, good capitalists all. No sharing! Grrr...I'll fight you for my shit!
I had no idea a friend would dump a Beverly Hills Dog on me.. My first pet ever..He pretty much just follows me around and and demands attention..
We stood on the deck today dreaming about opening the pool today..
It wouldn't be long!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:03:17pm |
God I'd feel so weird at Berkeley. I'd like to see what it would feel like to be really conservative though. I've felt moderate before in comparsion to people around me but never conservative.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:03:40pm |
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:04:06pm |
re: #451 Racer X
Ha!
Yep - this is politics in action for sure. I'm on the fence on this bill - we need something but, dayam.
A Trillion Dollars?
so if we need this right now, why doesn't it start for 4 years?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:05:34pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:05:37pm |
re: #461 HappyWarrior
God I'd feel so weird at Berkeley. I'd like to see what it would feel like to be really conservative though. I've felt moderate before in comparsion to people around me but never conservative.
Thank you, for spelling it correctly.
It is very prestigious to get accepted. To survive there? Who knows how separated you can remain from the lefties, but none the less, very prestigious.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:06:00pm |
Some Phil Keaggy to match the acoustic guitar mood:
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:06:07pm |
re: #458 webevintage
I applaud his balls. The Dems have been way too polite when it comes to these lies. It's it's nice to see them standing up for themselves.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:06:23pm |
re: #461 HappyWarrior
God I'd feel so weird at Berkeley. I'd like to see what it would feel like to be really conservative though. I've felt moderate before in comparsion to people around me but never conservative.
I would have loved to go to Cal..It was my dream school...
Never made the grade.. But love the Bears...
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sngnsgt Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:06:52pm |
re: #463 brookly red
so if we need this right now, why doesn't it start for 4 years?
Good point that I hardly ever hear brought up, most Dems who are voting for this POS will have long since been booted out of office.
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Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:07:51pm |
re: #463 brookly red
so if we need this right now, why doesn't it start for 4 years?
Yep.
Someone here was whining about the number of people who have DIED this year because those damn dirty Republicans won't roll over and pass health care.
I laughed out loud.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:07:52pm |
re: #468 HoosierHoops
I would have loved to go to Cal..It was my dream school...
Never made the grade.. But love the Bears...
Is that the Golden Bears or the Chicago Bears?
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:08:31pm |
re: #467 Killgore Trout
I applaud his balls.
must resist must resist must resist must resist must resist
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:09:18pm |
If you don't know what Chat Roulette is, you probably don't want to know.
But this Chat Roulette guy is my short-term personal hero. (No dongs, just a couple of profanities)
| 475 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:09:35pm |
re: #460 HoosierHoops
I had no idea a friend would dump a Beverly Hills Dog on me.. My first pet ever..He pretty much just follows me around and and demands attention..
We stood on the deck today dreaming about opening the pool today..
It wouldn't be long!
I mowed my lawn today! It is officially Spring! Ok, it's tomorrow.
When you Beverly Hills Dog meets my Redneck airedale....well,
I'm sure thay will work out some sort of social compact in short order...
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:09:45pm |
re: #406 albusteve
Hey, how's the grandkid?
I'm too lazy to search for the info!
I hope it's a big lusty kid, working out his lungs!
Linky?
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:10:04pm |
re: #470 Racer X
Yep.
Someone here was whining about the number of people who have DIED this year because those damn dirty Republicans won't roll over and pass health care.
I laughed out loud.
I have given up trying to explain, it is what it is.
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:10:04pm |
re: #442 webevintage
Bart "the wimmins are being mean to me" Stupak
Heh. Poor Stupak. "I don't care what nuns say". From the 17th:
Stupak dismisses nuns’ letter: I don’t listen to them, I listen to ‘leading bishops’ and Focus on the Family.
Reminder: Stupak is a basically a theocrat who's heavily mixed up with the Family.
He's also factually incorrect about the policy issue.
And here's a little more on the abortion/HCR bullshit, from this afternoon:
Republican lawmakers, as well as Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI), have falsely claimed that the health reform bill allows taxpayer funded abortions. At a press conference yesterday, GOP members of Congress convened to again hammer the lie home that health reform will provide taxpayer funds for abortion. [...]McMorris-Rodger’s initial indifference to her own state party funding abortion coverage reveals the partisanship of her ploy to lie about the health bill and claim that it covers abortions. Like McMorris-Rodgers, House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) and Newt Gingrich have health insurance plans for their campaign employees which provide abortion coverage. And until recently, even the staunchly anti-choice Republican National Committee provided abortion coverage to its employees.
The Catholic Health Association and a group of 59,000 Catholic nuns recently endorsed health reform, noting that the bill in Congress does not provide taxpayer funded abortions. Additionally, T.R. Reid, writing in the Washington Post this week, explained why anti-abortion activists should support health reform. “Increasing health-care coverage is one of the most powerful tools for reducing the number of abortions — a fact proved by years of experience in other industrialized nations.” Regardless, partisan hypocrites like McMorris-Rodgers are plowing ahead, hoping to exploit a polarizing issue to kill reform.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:10:13pm |
re: #465 Stanley Sea
Thank you, for spelling it correctly.
It is very prestigious to get accepted. To survive there? Who knows how separated you can remain from the lefties, but none the less, very prestigious.
Not a prob. Yeah it's one of the best schools in California if not the whole country I believe. I will say for all its reputation I'd much rather go there than say Liberty here in Virginia. They don't restrict things like music and etc the way that ironically named institution does.
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Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:10:28pm |
re: #454 Racer X
Would you be OK with putting a million dollars on your Visa card?
America is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care.
I sure hope this thing doesn't backfire big time.
I'd be OK with it if I didn't have to pay for it. The difficulty is that VISA wouldn't let me do it, and I would go to jail if I did and couldn't pay it back.
I would disagree with the statement that "America is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care. America doesn't want it.
All spending bills start in congress and I would revise that to say "Congress is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care."
Except they don't have a Visa card.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:10:43pm |
re: #454 Racer X
Would you be OK with putting a million dollars on your Visa card?
America is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care.
I sure hope this thing doesn't backfire big time.
Damn, everyone keeps saying this, yet I can tell more stories than the one above where I see health care available to anyone who wants it.
We pay for it now. As far as I am concerned all any bill will do is put it all (most?) on one accounting page instead of this fairy tale crap that we don't pay for it now.
| 483 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:10:57pm |
So if a Physician's reimbursements drop dramatically, the gubmint gonna help pay his student loan stuff? Howabout mortgage? Car payments?
Gosh...
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The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:11:18pm |
re: #470 Racer X
Yep.
Someone here was whining about the number of people who have DIED this year because those damn dirty Republicans won't roll over and pass health care.
I laughed out loud.
That money will go into the lockbox don't you know?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:11:32pm |
re: #474 negativ
That's pretty damn funny.
| 486 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:11:38pm |
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:11:53pm |
re: #481 Unakite
I'd be OK with it if I didn't have to pay for it. The difficulty is that VISA wouldn't let me do it, and I would go to jail if I did and couldn't pay it back.
I would disagree with the statement that "America is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care. America doesn't want it.
All spending bills start in congress and I would revise that to say "Congress is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care."
Except they don't have a Visa card.
Ahem... WE are their visa card & don't you ever forget it.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:12:55pm |
re: #481 Unakite
I'd be OK with it if I didn't have to pay for it. The difficulty is that VISA wouldn't let me do it, and I would go to jail if I did and couldn't pay it back.
I would disagree with the statement that "America is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care. America doesn't want it.
All spending bills start in congress and I would revise that to say "Congress is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care."
Except
theyWE don't have a Visa card.
Slight tweak.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:13:05pm |
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blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:13:14pm |
re: #463 brookly red
so if we need this right now, why doesn't it start for 4 years?
Many of the programs will begin right away. But it will take time to set up the exchanges. However, no pre-existing conditions, rescission and keeping adult children on parents health-care plan until age 26 will
start almost immediately. There is probably much more, but I do know about these.
| 491 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:13:47pm |
Type
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:14:21pm |
re: #207 Killgore Trout
Yeah, It's not a surprise. My guess is that Debbie has a personal grudge against him. She used to be a regular on fox a while ago. Not so much anymore.
My perception is that Schlussel is very, very angry at a lot of competitor right-wing pundits and talking heads. I wouldn't guess why, but there's a degree of venom directed by her toward other wingnuts that's noticeable.
| 494 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:14:31pm |
re: #481 Unakite
I'd be OK with it if I didn't have to pay for it. The difficulty is that VISA wouldn't let me do it, and I would go to jail if I did and couldn't pay it back.
I would disagree with the statement that "America is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care. America doesn't want it.
All spending bills start in congress and I would revise that to say "Congress is putting a Trillion Dollars on it's Visa card to pay for health care."
Except they don't have a Visa card.
They have the ultimate Visa card. What is better than platinum? Whatever it is , they got it.
And they never have to pay it! Shit, if only I could get one of those.
| 495 |
Digital Display Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:14:45pm |
re: #475 The Shadow Do
I mowed my lawn today! It is officially Spring! Ok, it's tomorrow.
When you Beverly Hills Dog meets my Redneck airedale...well,
I'm sure thay will work out some sort of social compact in short order...
It's Spring! It's been a long cold winter...
It's almost time to open the pool.. Fire up the Hot tub..Stock the pool fridge with beer..Float around the pool with Winston and his doggie friends..And enjoy our last summer in Indiana..
| 496 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:15:20pm |
re: #494 The Shadow Do
They have the ultimate Visa card. What is better than platinum? Whatever it is , they got it.
And they never have to pay it! Shit, if only I could get one of those.
WE have to pay it.
| 497 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:15:36pm |
Reminder: it is a wingnut lie to claim the bill won't do anything this year.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
it will have immediate effects for millions.
Provide immediate access to insurance for uninsured Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition through a temporary high-risk pool;
There's a full text and video link above. One of the wingnut talking points is to say 'what's the rush?' and also 'it won't do anything for years'. Both are lies.
| 498 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:16:31pm |
re: #490 blueraven
Many of the programs will begin right away. But it will take time to set up the exchanges. However, no pre-existing conditions, rescission and keeping adult children on parents health-care plan until age 26 will
start almost immediately. There is probably much more, but I do know about these.
Exactly, and those alone will affect millions of people and for the better.
| 499 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:16:40pm |
re: #495 HoosierHoops
It's Spring! It's been a long cold winter...
It's almost time to open the pool.. Fire up the Hot tub..Stock the pool fridge with beer..Float around the pool with Winston and his doggie friends..And enjoy our last summer in Indiana..
Most excellent
| 500 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:17:00pm |
re: #487 brookly red
Ahem... WE are their visa card & don't you ever forget it.
///Ahem....that was my point. :)
| 501 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:17:22pm |
halftime...
MI State 48 vs NM State 45
Aggies hangin tough
| 502 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:17:35pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:18:08pm |
| 504 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:18:22pm |
Elvis is Dead
| 505 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:18:56pm |
re: #490 blueraven
Many of the programs will begin right away. But it will take time to set up the exchanges. However, no pre-existing conditions, rescission and keeping adult children on parents health-care plan until age 26 will
start almost immediately. There is probably much more, but I do know about these.
keeping adult children on parents health-care plan until age 26? / well OK that make freaking sense.
| 506 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:19:00pm |
re: #497 iceweasel
I saw the 'it won't have any positive effect for years' thing crop up today. It kind of took me aback-- it kind of reminds me of a kid's increasingly strange excuses about why he shouldn't have to go to bed yet. "Well, I won't fall asleep for awhile, so I should stay out here and watch TV until I do!"
| 507 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:19:32pm |
re: #212 Killgore Trout
Virginian At Obama Rally: If Health Care Passes There Will Be Civil War (VIDEO)
[Video]
"You can't ignore 70% of the population."
It really worries me, sometimes, to realize that I am sharing a country with people who think we're going to have a civil war over a healthcare bill.
It worries me more that they don't seem too upset about that.
| 508 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:20:02pm |
Who is in charge of the health care lock box one wonders...
| 509 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:20:20pm |
re: #495 HoosierHoops
It's Spring! It's been a long cold winter...
It's almost time to open the pool.. Fire up the Hot tub..Stock the pool fridge with beer..Float around the pool with Winston and his doggie friends..And enjoy our last summer in Indiana..
SPRING...
Here... taken about an hour ago from my living room window...
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:20:43pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:21:35pm |
re: #503 Dark_Falcon
Can't let one go to waste, or so Rahm Emmanuel says.
Didn't HRC say so, too?
Try applying that to Hamas and PA, Madame Secretary.
| 512 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:21:35pm |
re: #346 HappyWarrior
Yep, they're pricey.
[Link: www.wallywine.com...]
KU:L vodka (weird name, I know) is a good budget Vodka.
| 513 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:21:39pm |
re: #507 SanFranciscoZionist
It really worries me, sometimes, to realize that I am sharing a country with people who think we're going to have a civil war over a healthcare bill.
It worries me more that they don't seem too upset about that.
just think of it as the same sort of blather you might hear from politicians...lots of smoke
| 514 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:21:42pm |
I guess the CBO report was just an exercise for fun. Folks here are spouting the unresearched talking points, and I'm not going to re-post everything that's already been posted.
| 516 |
Cheechako Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:21:50pm |
re: #494 The Shadow Do
They have the ultimate Visa card. What is better than platinum? Whatever it is , they got it.
And they never have to pay it! Shit, if only I could get one of those.
Forget about the VISA card. The Government can just print more money. Maybe even print some $1,000 and $10,000 bills.
The debt that HCR adds to the deficit along with all the other trillion dollar spending will cause enormous inflation for years
| 517 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:22:12pm |
re: #509 Walter L. Newton
Walter, you live in a place where Spring is understood.
It means no more snow.
Me, I'm in Los Angeles, we don't do snow.
Hope you are enjoying the change of the seasons!
| 518 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:22:30pm |
re: #510 MandyManners
Get the fuck away from my wallet!!!
Met a really odd Democrat today. Had his hands in his own damn pockets!
| 519 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:22:33pm |
re: #507 SanFranciscoZionist
It really worries me, sometimes, to realize that I am sharing a country with people who think we're going to have a civil war over a healthcare bill.
It worries me more that they don't seem too upset about that.
we won't have a civil war over a health care bill... over the way that bill come to be, now that is the scary part.
| 520 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:22:53pm |
re: #507 SanFranciscoZionist
It really worries me, sometimes, to realize that I am sharing a country with people who think we're going to have a civil war over a healthcare bill.
It worries me more that they don't seem too upset about that.
God, I may have seen her today. No joke. I saw some loon with a sign that compared Obama to Mao.
| 521 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:22:53pm |
re: #506 Obdicut
I saw the 'it won't have any positive effect for years' thing crop up today. It kind of took me aback-- it kind of reminds me of a kid's increasingly strange excuses about why he shouldn't have to go to bed yet. "Well, I won't fall asleep for awhile, so I should stay out here and watch TV until I do!"
Yeah, obviously it's a ridiculous reason to do nothing-- but it's a meme that's been around for a while and that the wingnut noise machine has actively pushed. If people here believe that it's because the wingnut noise machine out there has been saying that for months, just like they spread all kinds of lies about HCR.
In most cases the claim that 'it won't do anything right away' is wedded to the claim "....so there's something spooky and sinister about the 'big rush' to 'ram it down our throats'."
| 522 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:22:55pm |
re: #516 Cheechako
What would the cost of not passing the bill be?
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:22:57pm |
re: #509 Walter L. Newton
SPRING...
Here... taken about an hour ago from my living room window...
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
your deck is gonna fall down if you don't get that snow off it
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:23:33pm |
re: #514 Stanley Sea
I guess the CBO report was just an exercise for fun. Folks here are spouting the unresearched talking points, and I'm not going to re-post everything that's already been posted.
It gets pretty goddamned irritating, yeah.
| 525 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:23:44pm |
re: #517 Floral Giraffe
Walter, you live in a place where Spring is understood.
It means no more snow.
Me, I'm in Los Angeles, we don't do snow.
Hope you are enjoying the change of the seasons!
Yes... it was 60 yesterday, now 10 degrees (f) and almost a 1 1/2 feet of snow... by Sunday, it will be 60 again.
| 526 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:23:59pm |
re: #516 Cheechako
Forget about the VISA card. The Government can just print more money. Maybe even print some $1,000 and $10,000 bills.
The debt that HCR adds to the deficit along with all the other trillion dollar spending will cause enormous inflation for years
How many of those $10k bills will it take to buy a pair of Chinese underwear from K-Mart one wonders.
| 527 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:24:16pm |
re: #508 The Shadow Do
Who is in charge of the health care lock box one wonders...
| 528 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:24:17pm |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:24:32pm |
re: #523 albusteve
your deck is gonna fall down if you don't get that snow off it
The deck is 20 feet off the ground, and very secure.
| 530 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:24:52pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:24:58pm |
re: #246 Thanos
Frum also calling BS on Debbie's Take:
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
Sounds solid to me.
| 532 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:25:36pm |
re: #509 Walter L. Newton
SPRING...
Here... taken about an hour ago from my living room window...
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
Nasty. I heard you're getting ten inches. Is that about right?
| 533 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:25:40pm |
re: #529 Walter L. Newton
The deck is 20 feet off the ground, and very secure.
But, you'd be welcome to help, pound it into a safer position, if you wanted to!
;)
So says the Giraffe!
| 534 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:26:29pm |
re: #529 Walter L. Newton
The deck is 20 feet off the ground, and very secure.
I'm a builder...stuff falls down
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:26:40pm |
re: #522 Obdicut
What would the cost of not passing the bill be?
Don't worry... it's going to pass... and in Nov. a whole lot of GOP incumbents will loose their seats... the Democrats will take those seats... and all will be well for 20 years or so.
| 536 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:26:54pm |
re: #527 MandyManners
LOL! By the way Mandy, looking at your Avatar. You need a shave! Hey, only a friend can tell you something like that...
| 537 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:26:57pm |
I guess I am a lucky man...
Wife is checking her NCAA brackets.
I didn't even fill one out.
| 538 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:27:39pm |
re: #532 Dark_Falcon
Nasty. I heard you're getting ten inches. Is that about right?
Maybe in Denver, I'm 35 mile west at 8200 feet in the Rockies, we have about 18 inches right now, and it will continue until tomorrow morning.
| 539 |
Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:27:43pm |
re: #535 Walter L. Newton
Don't worry... it's going to pass... and in Nov. a whole lot of GOP incumbents will loose their seats... the Democrats will take those seats... and all will be well for 20 years or so.
You crack me up dude.
| 540 |
blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:28:23pm |
Funny, I just dont remember all this right wing freak out when Medicare part D passed without even an attempt to pay for it. Wonder why that is?
| 541 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:28:26pm |
re: #534 albusteve
I'm a builder...stuff falls down
I've seen 38 inches on it and it was fine. Just this last fall.
| 542 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:28:53pm |
re: #535 Walter L. Newton
Don't worry... it's going to pass... and in Nov. a whole lot of GOP incumbents will loose their seats... the Democrats will take those seats... and all will be well for 20 years or so.
what happens in 20 years? the next generation wakes up?
| 544 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:29:26pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:29:54pm |
re: #257 Stanley Sea
She's the first comment!! I'm reading it now.
(wonder if she mentions SFZ!)
Alas, I have been abandoned as a target. Frum is a much bigger and more threatening foe.
| 547 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:30:08pm |
re: #541 Walter L. Newton
I've seen 38 inches on it and it was fine. Just this last fall.
it's that 39th inch...with is like 12 if it's wet
| 548 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:30:23pm |
re: #528 Stanley Sea
It's like the second shift.
Yeah, but that's not a reason to give up. Most normal people want information and will look at it. It isn't about changing the mind of a specific person who you know will only spew talking points-- you're performing a service for the community, for people who genuinely want to learn something on the issue and maybe don't have all the right info yet-- and also, the thousands of people reading here who aren't commenters.
Always remember that. Fight the good fight. ;)
| 549 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:30:34pm |
re: #535 Walter L. Newton
Don't worry... it's going to pass... and in Nov. a whole lot of GOP incumbents will loose their seats... the Democrats will take those seats... and all will be well for 20 years or so.
I don't agree. Pass or fail, the Dems are going to get slugged in the fall.
| 550 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:30:38pm |
re: #534 albusteve
I'm a builder...stuff falls down
it falls quicker when the foundation is, errr, corrupted.
| 551 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:30:42pm |
re: #542 brookly red
what happens in 20 years? the next generation wakes up?
I was just projecting out... I don't know. But I do know this... the Democrats will be holding the majority for a good long while after the GOP had the chance to not screw this up. They failed and they will suffer.
| 552 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:31:09pm |
re: #548 iceweasel
Yeah, but that's not a reason to give up. Most normal people want information and will look at it. It isn't about changing the mind of a specific person who you know will only spew talking points-- you're performing a service for the community, for people who genuinely want to learn something on the issue and maybe don't have all the right info yet-- and also, the thousands of people reading here who aren't commenters.
Always remember that. Fight the good fight. ;)
Nicely put!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:31:12pm |
re: #267 JasonA
The instant rage that the internet facilitates scares me, frankly. My comrade lefties really did seem like sharks smelling blood in the water.
Outrageous Outrage strikes again!
Yeah. It's too easy to go nuts with this stuff.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:31:27pm |
re: #542 brookly red
what happens in 20 years? the next generation wakes up?
total donk dynasty begins...a 1000yr gig...everything will be free for everyone forever!
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KingKenrod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:31:30pm |
re: #540 blueraven
Funny, I just dont remember all this right wing freak out when Medicare part D passed without even an attempt to pay for it. Wonder why that is?
I actually do remember a right wing freak out over that. I think it was one of several key issues that caused the GOP base to lose their enthusiasm for the GOP brand in 2006/2008.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:31:33pm |
re: #549 Dark_Falcon
I don't agree. Pass or fail, the Dems are going to get slugged in the fall.
I'll give you the same answer...
I do know this... the Democrats will be holding the majority for a good long while after the GOP had the chance to not screw this up. They failed and they will suffer.
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blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:31:45pm |
re: #543 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I totally freaked, btw.
I believe you, I am sure there was opposition. But you have to agree there was never anything like this.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:32:21pm |
re: #536 The Shadow Do
LOL! By the way Mandy, looking at your Avatar. You need a shave! Hey, only a friend can tell you something like that...
Just think of me and the Sheik the next time you see a water fountain.
*glug glug glug*
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:32:32pm |
Ok... family time... we are all going to watch Hitchcocks "Spellbound" and wait for the deck to come tumbling down because of the snow...
BB later.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:32:32pm |
re: #551 Walter L. Newton
I was just projecting out... I don't know. But I do know this... the Democrats will be holding the majority for a good long while after the GOP had the chance to not screw this up. They failed and they will suffer.
as the Danes say, those who live shall see.
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Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:32:39pm |
re: #554 albusteve
total donk dynasty begins...a 1000yr gig...everything will be free for everyone forever!
I see rainbows and unicorns in our future!
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:32:45pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:33:02pm |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:33:05pm |
re: #550 brookly red
it falls quicker when the foundation is, errr, corrupted.
the American Deck of Life is secure...our politicians have taken an oath to serve...
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:33:16pm |
re: #556 Walter L. Newton
I'll give you the same answer...
I do know this... the Democrats will be holding the majority for a good long while after the GOP had the chance to not screw this up. They failed and they will suffer.
I respectfully disagree.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:33:22pm |
re: #509 Walter L. Newton
SPRING...
Here... taken about an hour ago from my living room window...
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
Your great photo reminds me that I saw a super deal on cameras at Sam's this week. They had the latest 10 MPXL Canon SLR boxed together with both the 70-300 mm and 18-55 mm lenses for just 599.00. Just a couple yrs ago I paid a heckuva a lot more for my rig (the body alone was 799...) It takes great moon pics like this and great mountain pics like this and makes amateurs like me look like a better than average photographer.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:33:41pm |
re: #514 Stanley Sea
I guess the CBO report was just an exercise for fun. Folks here are spouting the unresearched talking points, and I'm not going to re-post everything that's already been posted.
#212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian :: Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:42:52 pm
WTF? Poisoning the water of the only steadfastly non-partisan group in DC? Genius. Choose you words carefully, Mr. Cantor. You may have to eat them another day.
From previous thread... feel better?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:33:55pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:34:06pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:34:10pm |
re: #548 iceweasel
Read that as I deleted my most recent informative (in my mind) comment, because I felt like, what the hell, why bother. Thanks Ice - I will re-write it.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:34:27pm |
re: #566 albusteve
the American Deck of Life is secure...our politicians have taken an oath to serve...
your check is in the mail, & I promise not to co... never mind.
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Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:35:03pm |
re: #494 The Shadow Do
They have the ultimate Visa card. What is better than platinum? Whatever it is , they got it.
And they never have to pay it! Shit, if only I could get one of those.
Had to go take one of the kid's friend home and back late as usual. but yeah, where do I get one instead of backing one??
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Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:35:12pm |
Hullo how's everybuddy this fine elephant?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:35:44pm |
re: #575 PT Barnum
You just missed Walter's Egress!
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CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:36:08pm |
re: #570 Dark_Falcon
Hi, CC. Any interesting news out of the Bay State?
Hey DF/ MAndy!
Not much shakin, some news here, none of it happy, none of it political. An animal parading as a mother beat her 2 year old son to death last night. That's about it. We really need the death penalty here, it is getting worse by the day with crap like this.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:36:37pm |
re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thank you FBV!
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The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:36:44pm |
re: #572 Stanley Sea
Read that as I deleted my most recent informative (in my mind) comment, because I felt like, what the hell, why bother. Thanks Ice - I will re-write it.
Good for you!
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The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:36:49pm |
re: #559 MandyManners
Just think of me and the Sheik the next time you see a water fountain.
*glug glug glug*
LOL! *tears* LOL
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:37:02pm |
re: #303 Obdicut
Oh dear god, I don't even really like Vodka and I can easily tell Popov from Gray Goose.
I swear Popov leaches some of the chemicals out of the plastic.
When my friends and I moved into our campus apartment senior year of college, the previous people left behind half a bottle of Safeway brand vodka.
When we were preparing for our housewarming party, I stuck it in the freezer.
When I pulled it out, it had frozen solid.
My only hope is that they watered it down.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:37:12pm |
re: #553 SanFranciscoZionist
Outrageous Outrage strikes again!
Yeah. It's too easy to go nuts with this stuff.
OO addiction is a serious affliction
but the attraction is a disdraction
and there is no known cure
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:37:30pm |
re: #509 Walter L. Newton
You have a wonderful view. What are those tall green shoots w/o any leaves. Pine saplings?
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:37:55pm |
re: #561 Walter L. Newton
Ok... family time... we are all going to watch Hitchcocks "Spellbound" and wait for the deck to come tumbling down because of the snow...
BB later.
get some pictures!
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:38:08pm |
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:38:34pm |
re: #583 prairiefire
You have a wonderful view. What are those tall green shoots w/o any leaves. Pine saplings?
tomato stakes...they are all over in the mountains
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Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:39:16pm |
So what's the topic du jour?
Fake memos from the Democrats?
Republican intransigence?
Health Insurance Reform?
Wankel Rotary Engines?
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Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:39:45pm |
re: #490 blueraven
Many of the programs will begin right away. But it will take time to set up the exchanges. However, no pre-existing conditions, rescission and keeping adult children on parents health-care plan until age 26 will
start almost immediately. There is probably much more, but I do know about these.
Uhm...what programs will begin "right away." They have to balance the expense by collecting money up front. If your employer told you you had to begin paying for insurance when you where hired but got no benefits until you you worked there for four years, what the hell would you say??
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:39:53pm |
re: #568 Thanos
Your great photo reminds me that I saw a super deal on cameras at Sam's this week. They had the latest 10 MPXL Canon SLR boxed together with both the 70-300 mm and 18-55 mm lenses for just 599.00. Just a couple yrs ago I paid a heckuva a lot more for my rig (the body alone was 799...) It takes great moon pics like this and great mountain pics like this and makes amateurs like me look like a better than average photographer.
outstanding pic of the big Mac...very nice
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:40:11pm |
re: #569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Good point, FBV.
On the one day I have planned out for lunch and window shopping with a friend~ 6 inches of snow forecast.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:40:16pm |
re: #577 CapeCoddah
Hey DF/ MAndy!
Not much shakin, some news here, none of it happy, none of it political. An animal parading as a mother beat her 2 year old son to death last night. That's about it. We really need the death penalty here, it is getting worse by the day with crap like this.
the death penalty won't bring the kid back...
life at hard labor will give the offender a chance to reconsider their action.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:41:01pm |
re: #530 The Shadow Do
Heh. That's what I'm asking the opponents of the bill. They're very intent about talking about the cost of the bill.
I have not yet gotten an answer from any opponent to the bill.
Given that the bill, as scored by the CBO, reduces the deficit-- the cost of not passing it is higher than passing it. That would be the straightforward way of looking at this.
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Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:41:12pm |
re: #585 MandyManners
[Video]
Nice guitar lick...may have to find a recording of that and use it for a ring tone..
Like to use great guitar riffs for ring tones..
Back in Black
Hells Bells
Kashmir
Cocaine
Sunshine of Your Love
Peg (Steely Dan)
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:41:34pm |
re: #577 CapeCoddah
Hey DF/ MAndy!
Not much shakin, some news here, none of it happy, none of it political. An animal parading as a mother beat her 2 year old son to death last night. That's about it. We really need the death penalty here, it is getting worse by the day with crap like this.
My goodness. Is she crazy or evil? In between?
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CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:41:51pm |
re: #591 brookly red
the death penalty won't bring the kid back...
life at hard labor will give the offender a chance to reconsider their action.
We are getting weary of this stuff here, been happening a lot. The "Not a deterrent" argument is wearing real thin with everyone. This state is really changing.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:42:08pm |
This is a commentary on the CBO score, from Ezra Klein, who has been very very informative on HCR, every step of the way:
If you're a liberal House Democrat, here's what you'd be voting against: Legislation that covers 32 million people. A world in which 95 percent of all non-elderly, legal residents have health-care coverage. An end to insurers rescinding coverage for the sick, or discriminating based on preexisting conditions, or spending 30 cents of each premium dollar on things that aren't medical care. Exchanges where insurers who want to jack up premiums will have to publicly explain their reason, where regulators will be able to toss them out based on bad behavior, and where consumers will be able to publicly rate them. Hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies to help lower-income Americans afford health-care insurance. The final closure of the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit's "doughnut hole."
If you're a conservative House Democrat, then probably you support many of those policies, too. But you also get the single most ambitious effort the government has ever made to control costs in the health-care sector. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the bill cuts deficits by $130 billion in the first 10 years, and up to $1.2 trillion in the second 10 years. The excise tax is now indexed to inflation, rather than inflation plus one percentage point, and the subsidies grow more slowly over time. So one of the strongest cost controls just got stronger, and the automatic spending growth slowed. And then there are all the other cost controls in the bill: The Medicare Commission, which makes entitlement reform much more possible. The programs to begin paying doctors and hospitals for care rather than volume. The competitive insurance market.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:42:22pm |
re: #592 Obdicut
Heh. That's what I'm asking the opponents of the bill. They're very intent about talking about the cost of the bill.
I have not yet gotten an answer from any opponent to the bill.
Given that the bill, as scored by the CBO, reduces the deficit-- the cost of not passing it is higher than passing it. That would be the straightforward way of looking at this.
there is no answer, no matter how many times you ask it...it's a loaded question
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Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:42:27pm |
re: #591 brookly red
the death penalty won't bring the kid back...
life at hard labor will give the offender a chance to reconsider their action.
Personally I think people like that should be beaten to within an inch of their life and then just left there.
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CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:43:32pm |
re: #594 MandyManners
My goodness. Is she crazy or evil? In between?
Does not look either, but must be.Long record of violent assault for this one. Looks as normal as they come. Everyone wants a piece of her. This is like the third time in a week a kid has been killed.
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Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:43:43pm |
re: #599 Obdicut
How is it a loaded question, Steve?
It's loaded because the people screaming about the costs of the bill can't answer it without looking silly and hypocritical.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:44:23pm |
re: #593 PT Barnum
Nice guitar lick...may have to find a recording of that and use it for a ring tone..
Like to use great guitar riffs for ring tones..
Back in Black
Hells Bells
Kashmir
Cocaine
Sunshine of Your Love
Peg (Steely Dan)
Elmore James
'Dust My Broom'
the single greatest riff every laid down with a guitar
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:44:37pm |
re: #593 PT Barnum
Nice guitar lick...may have to find a recording of that and use it for a ring tone..
Like to use great guitar riffs for ring tones..
Back in Black
Hells Bells
Kashmir
Cocaine
Sunshine of Your Love
Peg (Steely Dan)
I've not had my own cell phone for years (I ditched it after Dickhead lost his chance to file an appeal to the custody decision so we're talking a few years) but, is there not a simple ringing tone?
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Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:44:37pm |
re: #518 The Shadow Do
Met a really odd Democrat today. Had his hands in his own damn pockets!
Mistaken Identity!! (or playing pocket pool.)
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Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:44:54pm |
re: #507 SanFranciscoZionist
It really worries me, sometimes, to realize that I am sharing a country with people who think we're going to have a civil war over a healthcare bill.
It worries me more that they don't seem too upset about that.
I think it's mostly just fantasy and rhetoric. It's kind of a passive-agressive tactic that we've seen Muslims use before; "If you don't do what I want I might get crazy". I also think most people think it's kinda fun to fantasize about civil unrest. There are a very small minority of these people who genuinely think the end is near. Those are the people we should be very concerned about. It just takes one idiot to decide to assassinate a congressman with the delusion that they can stop the bill.
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:45:04pm |
Something relatively new, My young Niece loves this band...
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Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:45:09pm |
re: #602 albusteve
Elmore James
'Dust My Broom'
the single greatest riff every laid down with a guitar
I have that one on a CD somewhere....
Have to get the riff from La Grange too
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:45:13pm |
re: #601 PT Barnum
To me, it indicates that not much thought has been given to the costs of not passing the bill, which is troubling, given the extent of the opposition to it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:45:23pm |
re: #417 Dark_Falcon
Fucking Berkeley. Other than engineers, does anything good come out of that place?
They have some super restaurants.
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CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:45:33pm |
re: #603 MandyManners
I've not had my own cell phone for years (I ditched it after Dickhead lost his chance to file an appeal to the custody decision so we're talking a few years) but, is there not a simple ringing tone?
NO, everything but that. Drives me nuts!
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KingKenrod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:45:52pm |
I've mostly been thinking about the health care bill from a philosophical standpointre: #592 Obdicut
Heh. That's what I'm asking the opponents of the bill. They're very intent about talking about the cost of the bill.
I have not yet gotten an answer from any opponent to the bill.
Given that the bill, as scored by the CBO, reduces the deficit-- the cost of not passing it is higher than passing it. That would be the straightforward way of looking at this.
No one believes this bill will actually reduce the deficit. And I don't dispute what the CBO says - its garbage in, garbage out for those guys. They were asked to score a proposal that everyone knows will be amended by reconciliation before becoming law, and will then be amended out the wazoo over the ensuing decades.
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blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:46:00pm |
re: #588 Unakite
Uhm...what programs will begin "right away." They have to balance the expense by collecting money up front. If your employer told you you had to begin paying for insurance when you where hired but got no benefits until you you worked there for four years, what the hell would you say??
Huh?
Try to keep up.
[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]
| 613 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:46:29pm |
re: #599 Obdicut
How is it a loaded question, Steve?
there is no answer...the answer is, there is no answer that anyone could calculate...we get your point
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Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:46:52pm |
re: #603 MandyManners
I've not had my own cell phone for years (I ditched it after Dickhead lost his chance to file an appeal to the custody decision so we're talking a few years) but, is there not a simple ringing tone?
Sure there is Mandy, but I prefer the musical stuff...I do however refuse to implement a ringback tone..that is going too far in inflicting my decidedly eclectic tastes on other people.
Just heard about a 3 piece jug band of African Americans...playing what sounds like blue grass...Trying to find them so I can hear more, since I love that sort of stuff.
| 615 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:46:54pm |
re: #600 CapeCoddah
Does not look either, but must be.Long record of violent assault for this one. Looks as normal as they come. Everyone wants a piece of her. This is like the third time in a week a kid has been killed.
Life. No parole.
Was the mother convicted of assault against her child(ren)? If so, why the hell did she have custody? Why the hell did she have a chance to breed again if she had been violent to a previous child?
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webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:47:15pm |
re: #505 brookly red
keeping adult children on parents health-care plan until age 26? / well OK that make freaking sense.
In a bad economy I see nothing wrong at all with allowing people to keep their adult children on their HC insurance longer then normal.
As it is unless you child is going to college normal polices will not allow you to keep them on the policy past 19 (or at least ours will not) and if something happened to him you can be pretty sure that we would be footing most of that (uninsured) bill.
Now our son has a job that will provide him insurance even at the PT hours he works when he turns 19.
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brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:47:29pm |
re: #595 CapeCoddah
We are getting weary of this stuff here, been happening a lot. The "Not a deterrent" argument is wearing real thin with everyone. This state is really changing.
I never said it was a deterrent, if fact I think it is not. I just think that putting an offender down like a terminal family pet is too merciful... life at hard labor is the way to go IMO.
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Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:47:46pm |
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The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:48:00pm |
re: #592 Obdicut
Heh. That's what I'm asking the opponents of the bill. They're very intent about talking about the cost of the bill.
I have not yet gotten an answer from any opponent to the bill.
Given that the bill, as scored by the CBO, reduces the deficit-- the cost of not passing it is higher than passing it. That would be the straightforward way of looking at this.
Don't spose there might be some fancy rithmatic there....nah, spose not
Are you the guy with the lock box? Do you know who is?
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Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:48:06pm |
The anthem that helped the left make it through President Bush's second term:
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:48:10pm |
re: #417 Dark_Falcon
Dark, my friend Charles Muscatine who just died was a professor at Berkeley for a very long time. He also lived there, and was a proud Berkeleyite. He was a decorated WWII veteran, a champion of conscience and free speech, and an educational reformer. He was a great man, and he was part of Berkeley.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
I bag on Berkeley all the time for going too far and being rather blinkered, but the school is amazing, and the town does have perfectly normal people living in it too.
And a great Jewish deli.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:48:23pm |
re: #431 iceweasel
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
This should work, sorry I stepped away for a nice dinner by D_L.
[Link: www.cato.org...]
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:48:29pm |
re: #613 albusteve
There is an answer and it can be calculated, Steve. It's what the CBO is comparing the bill against.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:48:33pm |
re: #465 Stanley Sea
Thank you, for spelling it correctly.
It is very prestigious to get accepted. To survive there? Who knows how separated you can remain from the lefties, but none the less, very prestigious.
There are plenty of Berkeley students who don't get involved with the crazy politics, and just work away at their degrees. Look in the background of the insane photos. You'll see young people who look as though they've bathed recently sitting on the lawns reading books. Those are the normal Berkeley students.
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MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:49:01pm |
| 627 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:49:14pm |
re: #601 PT Barnum
It's loaded because the people screaming about the costs of the bill can't answer it without looking silly and hypocritical.
well you kinda can't predict the cost of a theory...
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:49:36pm |
re: #560 iceweasel
Hi Floral! *waves* Hope you're well and enjoying spring!
Sproing! Boing! Boing!
Bouncing along, singing a song!
And you?
| 629 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:49:55pm |
re: #617 brookly red
I never said it was a deterrent, if fact I think it is not. I just think that putting an offender down like a terminal family pet is too merciful... life at hard labor is the way to go IMO.
How about forced sterilization and being locked away.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:49:57pm |
Saul's deli, in Berkeley. Liver and onions to die for.
[Link: www.saulsdeli.com...]
| 631 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:06pm |
re: #621 Thanos
It was HELL![Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:32pm |
re: #624 Obdicut
There is an answer and it can be calculated, Steve. It's what the CBO is comparing the bill against.
impossible...a wild estimation at best
the bill congress votes on will not be the bill the CBO has looked at
| 633 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:42pm |
re: #519 brookly red
we won't have a civil war over a health care bill... over the way that bill come to be, now that is the scary part.
Ok, I'll bite.
What's so scary?
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CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:45pm |
re: #615 MandyManners
Life. No parole.
Was the mother convicted of assault against her child(ren)? If so, why the hell did she have custody? Why the hell did she have a chance to breed again if she had been violent to a previous child?
NO, the two year old was the oldest. Had an infant, also. Now in state custody. The record was not against children.re: #617 brookly red
I never said it was a deterrent, if fact I think it is not. I just think that putting an offender down like a terminal family pet is too merciful... life at hard labor is the way to go IMO.
Hard labor. Nice thought, but considered cruel and unusual here. Unfortunately, the only real justice she will get is from her fellow inmates in Framingham. Most of the women there, like their male counterparts are parents who love their children. They frown on poeple who harm children or rape, as do most of any prison population.
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Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:50:53pm |
re: #630 Obdicut
Saul's deli, in Berkeley. Liver and onions to die for.
[Link: www.saulsdeli.com...]
Liver and onions done well is ambrosia..
Liver and onions done badly is an experience in gastronomic purgatory.
| 636 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:51:14pm |
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CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:51:28pm |
re: #626 MandyManners
Anything discreet?
Not that I have found. I had to buy an old fashioned ring tone. Happy now.
| 638 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:51:36pm |
re: #632 albusteve
impossible...a wild estimation at best
the bill congress votes on will not be the bill the CBO has looked at
Bull shit.
The bill the CBO scored IS the bill.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:51:42pm |
re: #635 PT Barnum
How right you are. To me, it's the real test of Jewish deli, whether they can pull it off. And Saul's pulls it way the hell off.
| 640 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:51:42pm |
MSU cannot shake NMS!....a barnburner 2pt game
| 641 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:52:25pm |
re: #630 Obdicut
Saul's deli, in Berkeley. Liver and onions to die for.
[Link: www.saulsdeli.com...]
liver and onions!
2pts
mmmm...fried GUTS!
| 642 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:53:00pm |
re: #629 PT Barnum
How about forced sterilization and being locked away.
I am all for the Judge Roy Bean method.
| 643 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:53:04pm |
re: #629 PT Barnum
How about forced sterilization and being locked away.
the forced sterilization part is kinda cruel & unusual if you know what I mean... on the other hand, breakin rocks in the hot sun is a time honored tradition.
| 644 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:53:15pm |
re: #635 PT Barnum
Liver and onions done well is ambrosia..
Liver and onions done badly is an experience in gastronomic purgatory.
Which is why it is a breakfast food.
| 646 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:54:02pm |
Alien Ant Farm - Smooth Criminal
| 647 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:54:26pm |
| 648 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:54:38pm |
re: #633 webevintage
Ok, I'll bite.
What's so scary?
don't turn your back on a wave, people are not comfortable with this.
| 649 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:55:09pm |
re: #596 Stanley Sea
This is a commentary on the CBO score, from Ezra Klein, who has been very very informative on HCR, every step of the way:
Ezra Klein
Awesome, thanks for posting. Read that when it went up-- Ezra is probably the single most informative person to read on HCR. He's been a health care policy wonk for years and he writes so clearly and concisely, and backs his stuff up. He's probably my only fave hire at WaPo too. Goes some way towards forgiving them for canning Froomkin and atones somewhat for their hiring (and almost immediate firing) of the execrable Ben Domenich.
| 650 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:55:32pm |
re: #540 blueraven
Funny, I just dont remember all this right wing freak out when Medicare part D passed without even an attempt to pay for it. Wonder why that is?
Because it passed in 2003?
| 651 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:55:40pm |
Anyone like Greek food?
My hubby brought home take out tonight and I got Spinakopita
with taziki sauce & hummus they make fresh.
So. Good.
| 652 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:56:02pm |
re: #637 CapeCoddah
Not that I have found. I had to buy an old fashioned ring tone. Happy now.
re: #637 CapeCoddah
Not that I have found. I had to buy an old fashioned ring tone. Happy now.
There are plenty of open source applications to create your own ring tones from .wav files. I've used one of them to rip licks off of my Crash Test Dummies CDs for that purpose.
| 653 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:56:11pm |
re: #622 Obdicut
Dark, my friend Charles Muscatine who just died was a professor at Berkeley for a very long time. He also lived there, and was a proud Berkeleyite. He was a decorated WWII veteran, a champion of conscience and free speech, and an educational reformer. He was a great man, and he was part of Berkeley.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
I bag on Berkeley all the time for going too far and being rather blinkered, but the school is amazing, and the town does have perfectly normal people living in it too.
And a great Jewish deli.
Sorry. I was just having a bad-temper reaction. My second interview today was a complete bust. The person who was supposed to do it kept me waiting without updates for half an hour. No application even. So I left. I wasn't crazy about the position and the disorganization of the office sealed the deal. I did however, set two good interviews and a phone interview for next week, so my search is going well so far.
| 654 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:56:15pm |
re: #417 Dark_Falcon
Fucking Berkeley. Other than engineers, does anything good come out of that place?
Notable Berkeley alumni consists of legendary names from all fields.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Someone wants you to feel repulsed at mere mention of the word Berkeley. Wonder who, and why?
| 656 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:56:27pm |
| 658 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:56:33pm |
re: #623 Rightwingconspirator
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
This should work, sorry I stepped away for a nice dinner by D_L.
[Link: www.cato.org...]
Thanks.
| 659 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:56:39pm |
re: #612 blueraven
Huh?
Try to keep up.
[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]
Uhm, yeah..OK. The bill is frontloaded with costs to pay for the boondoggle after 10 years. It's scored by the rules given them. who do you think writes the rules??
| 660 |
Van Helsing Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:56:48pm |
re: #620 The Shadow Do
Don't spose there might be some fancy rithmatic there...nah, spose not
Are you the guy with the lock box? Do you know who is?
I'm sure the CBO got it right this time.
| 661 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:56:54pm |
re: #652 PT Barnum
There are plenty of open source applications to create your own ring tones from .wav files. I've used one of them to rip licks off of my Crash Test Dummies CDs for that purpose.
LOL, My verizon guy downloaded it for me, I have a hard time posting a link!
| 662 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:57:19pm |
MSU gets one at the line 4pts
not lookin good
| 663 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:57:53pm |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
That sucks. If I have one flaw, it's that I'm punctual and expect others to be punctual, and if they're not it's something that, well, I hold against them.
I would have left too. That kind of place would just use you and abuse you.
| 664 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:58:23pm |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
Are there any inherent resources you have within yourself to start you own business? Let your imagination go. Maybe a contractor type position?
| 665 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:58:55pm |
re: #637 CapeCoddah
Not that I have found. I had to buy an old fashioned ring tone. Happy now.
Buy? You have to buy rings for your cell?
| 666 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:59:13pm |
re: #628 Floral Giraffe
Sproing! Boing! Boing!
Bouncing along, singing a song!
And you?
Terrific! Jimmah arrives Sunday!
| 667 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:59:34pm |
re: #664 prairiefire
Are there any inherent resources you have within yourself to start you own business? Let your imagination go. Maybe a contractor type position?
It can be a bit rough at first, as you are out there with no backup, but I can tell you from my experiences that I am much better and happier as a consultant than I ever have been as a full time employee.
| 668 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 6:59:35pm |
re: #665 MandyManners
Buy? You have to buy rings for your cell?
LOL, Ain't that a kick in the backside?
| 669 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:00pm |
re: #616 webevintage
In a bad economy I see nothing wrong at all with allowing people to keep their adult children on their HC insurance longer then normal.
As it is unless you child is going to college normal polices will not allow you to keep them on the policy past 19 (or at least ours will not) and if something happened to him you can be pretty sure that we would be footing most of that (uninsured) bill.
Now our son has a job that will provide him insurance even at the PT hours he works when he turns 19.
I agree, but should it be OK for your insurance company to adjust your rates if you want to keep your "adult child" (oxymoron??) on your insurance?
| 670 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:05pm |
re: #630 Obdicut
Saul's deli, in Berkeley. Liver and onions to die for.
[Link: www.saulsdeli.com...]
They're nice. I've been there a few times. Good eggs and lox.
| 671 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:10pm |
re: #664 prairiefire
Are there any inherent resources you have within yourself to start you own business? Let your imagination go. Maybe a contractor type position?
I was a dog walker and house sitter for a year...made like 40k, part time
| 672 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:30pm |
re: #668 CapeCoddah
Most models have some built in and the last two I bought both had plain ol' ringers that were okay. I like the personalization of using mp3 ringtones though.
| 673 |
swamprat Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:41pm |
re: #654 negativ
Notable Berkeley alumni consists of legendary names from all fields.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Someone wants you to feel repulsed at mere mention of the word Berkeley. Wonder who, and why?
Anybody who has ever read "the Berkeley Barb" in 1971?
Anybody who has watch the antics of code pink at the berkeley U.S. Marine recruiting station?
| 674 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:49pm |
re: #663 Obdicut
That sucks. If I have one flaw, it's that I'm punctual and expect others to be punctual, and if they're not it's something that, well, I hold against them.
I would have left too. That kind of place would just use you and abuse you.
Amen! Nothing drives me battier than being late or someone else being late. No excuse for it unless an ambulance is involved.
| 676 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:00:59pm |
re: #664 prairiefire
Are there any inherent resources you have within yourself to start you own business? Let your imagination go. Maybe a contractor type position?
I don't have the sort of track record that would let me hang out my own shingle. I've been in sales almost exclusively. I could work as an independent contractor, but I still need a brand to work for.
| 677 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:01:36pm |
re: #671 albusteve
Unless my current gig goes south, I'll probably clear 72k this year working no more than 30 hours a week.
| 678 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:01:39pm |
re: #668 CapeCoddah
LOL, Ain't that a kick in the backside?
Amazing. I hear of this stuff every now and then but, I pay no attention to it.
Why must everything be so fucking complex?
BRING BACK THE SMOKE SIGNALS!
| 679 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:01:48pm |
MSU gets one at the line
NMS ball
this is it
| 680 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:01:53pm |
re: #670 SanFranciscoZionist
By the way, for the final thing I learned about Charles after his death, never during his life:
He was Jewish. So was Doris, his wife. Non-practicing. Never mentioned it to me-- perhaps because my mother denies her own Jewish roots, and he didn't want to make trouble.
So another bright star is added to the constellation of Jewish scholars. Charles Muscatine.
| 681 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:01:56pm |
hahahahahaha
Peggy "serious face" Noonan is so worried about bipartisanship....
[Link: wonkette.com...]
OMG, that woman just. annoys. the. fuck out of me.
I'm so glad Weiner was on the show.
Screw you Joe and screw you Noonan.
Dean looks like he is thinking "god I want to strangle her, please keep me from strangling her".
| 682 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:02:18pm |
re: #671 albusteve
I was a dog walker and house sitter for a year...made like 40k, part time
A friend of mine posted a work wanted on craigslist washing windows a year ago because he could not find work. Has 3 guys working for him now.
| 683 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:02:32pm |
re: #673 swamprat
Anybody who has ever read "the Berkeley Barb" in 1971?
Anybody who has watch the antics of code pink at the berkeley U.S. Marine recruiting station?
Ah, but why does Code Pink get to be more 'Berkeley' than the Marines?
| 685 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:02:52pm |
re: #676 Dark_Falcon
I don't have the sort of track record that would let me hang out my own shingle. I've been in sales almost exclusively. I could work as an independent contractor, but I still need a brand to work for.
gotcha...ever thought about financial planning or insurance?
| 686 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:03:07pm |
re: #682 CapeCoddah
A friend of mine posted a work wanted on craigslist washing windows a year ago because he could not find work. Has 3 guys working for him now.
That's kinda awesome....
| 687 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:03:15pm |
re: #672 PT Barnum
Most models have some built in and the last two I bought both had plain ol' ringers that were okay. I like the personalization of using mp3 ringtones though.
I have about 100 built in, no regular old fashioned phone ring, though.
| 688 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:03:24pm |
re: #667 PT Barnum
It can be a bit rough at first, as you are out there with no backup, but I can tell you from my experiences that I am much better and happier as a consultant than I ever have been as a full time employee.
Quite Concur. (tribute)
| 689 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:03:30pm |
re: #666 iceweasel
Terrific! Jimmah arrives Sunday!
Huzza! Glad he finally can cross the pond. Hope the weather holds out for you two to take a walk in Central Park.
| 690 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:03:39pm |
re: #681 webevintage
Peggy Noonan the model for sanctimonious morons everywhere.
| 691 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:03:41pm |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
Best of luck!
I got some good advice, a LONG time ago.
It's easy to get a job where people yell at you all day long. It's HARD to get a job where the people say "please" and "thank you".
I hope you get a job where people say "please" and "thank you".
| 692 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:04:05pm |
MSU wins a thriller....Aggies played them down to the wire
| 693 |
blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:04:56pm |
re: #669 Unakite
I agree, but should it be OK for your insurance company to adjust your rates if you want to keep your "adult child" (oxymoron??) on your insurance?
OK fair enough. But when our 20 year old daughter fell off of our family plan because she works and is a part time student, our premium should have been reduced, right? Well thats not the way it works. Cant have it both ways.
| 694 |
Aye Pod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:04:56pm |
re: #689 Dark_Falcon
Huzza! Glad he finally can cross the pond. Hope the weather holds out for you two to take a walk in Central Park.
I'm buzzin' :)
| 695 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:05:09pm |
| 696 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:05:28pm |
re: #672 PT Barnum
Most models have some built in and the last two I bought both had plain ol' ringers that were okay. I like the personalization of using mp3 ringtones though.
I used to have the national anthem as my ring tone. What a goof! My phone would ring in the elevator and I would answer and then put my palm over the reviver and say it's Dick Cheney... people would stare.
Then at some point in the conversation I would say, absolutely we should nuke em!
fun with libs....
| 697 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:05:34pm |
re: #667 PT Barnum
It can be a bit rough at first, as you are out there with no backup, but I can tell you from my experiences that I am much better and happier as a consultant than I ever have been as a full time employee.
So was my mother (she's still alive but retired). She had a much better time consulting than working as an employee.
| 698 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:06:19pm |
re: #685 PT Barnum
gotcha...ever thought about financial planning or insurance?
Already working those angles. GMTA
| 699 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:06:19pm |
re: #691 Floral Giraffe
Best of luck!
I got some good advice, a LONG time ago.
It's easy to get a job where people yell at you all day long. It's HARD to get a job where the people say "please" and "thank you".
I hope you get a job where people say "please" and "thank you".
Thats one of the nice things about being a consultant, you get a lot more please and thank you than abuse, because you have the freedom to fire your customer.
I've said things to clients (politely, but assertively) that I would never have dreamed of saying to an employer. Because I'm talking to them as an equal (a fellow business owner) I get a shitload more respect than I ever did as an employee.
| 700 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:06:28pm |
re: #677 PT Barnum
Unless my current gig goes south, I'll probably clear 72k this year working no more than 30 hours a week.
yup, it can be done...I used to have alot of wee to do lazy customers and was raking in good money doing handyman stuff...kitchen/bath remodels...taking care of repairs...but that dog thing was too easy
| 701 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:06:33pm |
re: #676 Dark_Falcon
Another option while looking in the ads might by a survey or an opinion/advertising company where a lot of phone calls need to be made.
| 702 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:07:04pm |
re: #690 PT Barnum
What a dunder head. All of her smarts left her after 1990.
| 703 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:07:10pm |
re: #681 webevintage
hahahahahaha
Peggy "serious face" Noonan is so worried about bipartisanship...
[Link: wonkette.com...]
OMG, that woman just. annoys. the. fuck out of me.I'm so glad Weiner was on the show.
Screw you Joe and screw you Noonan.
Dean looks like he is thinking "god I want to strangle her, please keep me from strangling her".
She's always doing the Sunday a.m. talk show circuit. Eep, I can't stomach her either.
| 704 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:07:12pm |
| 705 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:07:23pm |
re: #616 webevintage
In a bad economy I see nothing wrong at all with allowing people to keep their adult children on their HC insurance longer then normal.
As it is unless you child is going to college normal polices will not allow you to keep them on the policy past 19 (or at least ours will not) and if something happened to him you can be pretty sure that we would be footing most of that (uninsured) bill.
Now our son has a job that will provide him insurance even at the PT hours he works when he turns 19.
ARE THEY ADULTS OR ARE THEY CHILDREN!!
| 706 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:07:37pm |
re: #676 Dark_Falcon
Independent contracting is kind of fun. Got a gig pulling out and replacing old computers. 3000+ of them. :)
| 707 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:07:47pm |
so now we have CBO worshippers....the work for congress, they work for congress, congress pays them...hello?
| 708 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:07:50pm |
re: #682 CapeCoddah
A friend of mine posted a work wanted on craigslist washing windows a year ago because he could not find work. Has 3 guys working for him now.
TAX HIS ASS!!!
| 709 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:08:02pm |
re: #673 swamprat
Anybody who has ever read "the Berkeley Barb" in 1971?
Anybody who has watch the antics of code pink at the berkeley U.S. Marine recruiting station?
Charles Whitman went to the University of Texas at Austin, and killed 14 people from within the safe confines of the clock tower. RAAAWWRRR UT is a bunch of deathmongers.
| 710 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:08:19pm |
re: #666 iceweasel
Terrific! Jimmah arrives Sunday!
I forsee some new shoes in Jimmah's future!
?Could they be on sale?
?Could they contain cleats?
Time will tell.
What fun!
Good for the two of youse!
| 711 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:08:19pm |
re: #623 Rightwingconspirator
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
This should work, sorry I stepped away for a nice dinner by D_L.
[Link: www.cato.org...]
Thanks for reposting that, RWC, I liked that link. It does help prove that not every single thing the Cato Institute does is garbage, but Thanos and KT definitely are correct in the points they made above about them.
One problem with this particular piece (and i'm only saying it in this context), is that I would have liked to see it backed up with internal links. It's an OpEd and it's on a subject that I follow, so I know that information exists, but sadly the lack of links may mean that it won't be sufficient to convince people abt Cato Inst.
Thanks very much for posting it. I recognise that guy's name from somewhere, don't recall where.
| 712 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:08:21pm |
re: #691 Floral Giraffe
Best of luck!
I got some good advice, a LONG time ago.
It's easy to get a job where people yell at you all day long. It's HARD to get a job where the people say "please" and "thank you".
I hope you get a job where people say "please" and "thank you".
Me too. But I'll settle for yelling soon rather than "please" and "thank you" later. I need to work, and in this economy you don't turn down a solid offer.
| 713 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:08:25pm |
re: #704 MandyManners
[Video]
I gotta go find my Rolling Stones greatest hits CD...new cuts
Start Me up
Gimme Shelter
Paint It Black
| 714 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:08:46pm |
re: #707 albusteve
so now we have CBO worshippers...the work for congress, they work for congress, congress pays them...hello?
a minor detail...
| 715 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:08:54pm |
| 716 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:09:25pm |
re: #699 PT Barnum
Thats one of the nice things about being a consultant, you get a lot more please and thank you than abuse, because you have the freedom to fire your customer.
I've said things to clients (politely, but assertively) that I would never have dreamed of saying to an employer. Because I'm talking to them as an equal (a fellow business owner) I get a shitload more respect than I ever did as an employee.
You have nailed it on the head. It took me years to get to this point though, but it's the reward.
| 717 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:09:38pm |
re: #710 Floral Giraffe
I forsee some new shoes in Jimmah's future!
?Could they be on sale?
?Could they contain cleats?
Time will tell.What fun!
Good for the two of youse!
Thanks cutie! Jimmah says hi, he's packing. :)
| 718 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:09:47pm |
| 719 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:09:48pm |
re: #682 CapeCoddah
BTW, about that chowder recipe you submitted to Reine, would you get in contact with her?
| 720 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:09:59pm |
re: #703 marjoriemoon
She's always doing the Sunday a.m. talk show circuit. Eep, I can't stomach her either.
Is it just me, or does she always look like she smells something bad?
| 721 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:10:02pm |
re: #666 iceweasel
Cue the Twilight Zone music!
666....
| 722 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:10:11pm |
re: #696 brookly red
I used to have the national anthem as my ring tone. What a goof! My phone would ring in the elevator and I would answer and then put my palm over the reviver and say it's Dick Cheney... people would stare.
Then at some point in the conversation I would say, absolutely we should nuke em!
fun with libs...
I would so appreciate that. I get into two elevators every morning and every morning, everyone has some device affixed to their palms or ears and are either jabbering away or typing. Whatever happened to, "Good morning!"
Anyway, I would get a good laugh outa that.
| 723 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:10:14pm |
re: #713 PT Barnum
I gotta go find my Rolling Stones greatest hits CD...new cuts
Start Me up
Gimme Shelter
Paint It Black
new cuts?
| 724 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:10:40pm |
re: #717 iceweasel
Thanks cutie! Jimmah says hi, he's packing. :)
Claymores can't go on planes. Apparently, it freaks security out.
;)
| 725 |
suchislife Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:10:41pm |
re: #705 Unakite
What word would you use to refer to both your sons and your daughters, no matter their age?
| 726 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:10:52pm |
| 727 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:11:00pm |
re: #712 Dark_Falcon
Hey, have you checked out call center QA positions? With your disposition, it might be a good fit for you:
[Link: chicago.craigslist.org...]
| 728 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:11:14pm |
re: #713 PT Barnum
I gotta go find my Rolling Stones greatest hits CD...new cuts
Start Me up
Gimme Shelter
Paint It Black
Remember that album cover that was deemed too nasty in the 70s? My sister has the original.
| 729 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:11:30pm |
| 730 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:11:38pm |
| 731 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:11:48pm |
| 732 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:12:00pm |
re: #711 iceweasel
Thanks for reposting that, RWC, I liked that link. It does help prove that not every single thing the Cato Institute does is garbage, but Thanos and KT definitely are correct in the points they made above about them.
One problem with this particular piece (and i'm only saying it in this context), is that I would have liked to see it backed up with internal links. It's an OpEd and it's on a subject that I follow, so I know that information exists, but sadly the lack of links may mean that it won't be sufficient to convince people abt Cato Inst.
Thanks very much for posting it. I recognise that guy's name from somewhere, don't recall where.
The real benefit of this is for saner Republicans. This gives them a way to drop an unproductive issue for a better one. The fact that its a Cato report lends it credibility with the right.
| 733 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:12:04pm |
re: #709 negativ
Charles Whitman went to the University of Texas at Austin, and killed 14 people from within the safe confines of the clock tower. RAAAWWRRR UT is a bunch of deathmongers.
Charles Whitman was found to have a large brain tumor at autopsy.
| 734 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:12:08pm |
| 735 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:12:31pm |
| 736 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:12:47pm |
re: #705 Unakite
I'm sure no parent would want their 25 year old son die from an ear infection. Even if they did not have the money.
I knew through a relative a young trucker in IN. He who died and it was 100% his own fault. The infection ate through his sinus and cranium and he died in short order. Of course it was his fault he had no insurance. Of course it was his fault he decided not to seek medical attention, even when the pain became too great. Stupid Hillbilly.///// Let him die at his own hand.//////
Not when I can fricking help it.
| 737 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:13:03pm |
anybody listening to Gimme Shelter?....maybe the greatest back up singing riff ever?....Merry Clayton...I met her, dig that
| 738 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:13:11pm |
re: #719 MandyManners
BTW, about that chowder recipe you submitted to Reine, would you get in contact with her?
Did I submit Chowder? Dont remember. I will send her an e-mail. You need something?
| 739 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:13:14pm |
re: #720 PT Barnum
Is it just me, or does she always look like she smells something bad?
That's her "serious face" it looks the same as her "I''m concerned" face or the "why am I talking to you people" face, but quite different then her "Regan was the most wonderful man how ever lived" face.
| 740 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:13:52pm |
re: #739 webevintage
That's her "serious face" it looks the same as her "I''m concerned" face or the "why am I talking to you people" face, but quite different then her "Regan was the most wonderful man how ever lived" face.
The Reagan face is probably also her O face..
| 741 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:14:33pm |
Hey, I'm about to fill out my census form. So this is what it feels like to be a Nazi collaborator.
| 742 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:14:40pm |
re: #735 MandyManners
Welcome to the Nanny State.
In the Nanny State we are all children. spit!
personally, I will fight.
| 743 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:14:40pm |
re: #740 PT Barnum
The Reagan face is probably also her O face..
Provided she's ever actually been able to find someone desperate enough to try to give her one...
Yes...I know I'm evil..
| 744 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:15:05pm |
re: #733 CapeCoddah
Charles Whitman was found to have a large brain tumor at autopsy.
Funny how that is forgotten when looking for moral equivalence.
| 745 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:15:25pm |
re: #742 brookly red
In the Nanny State we are all children. spit!
personally, I will fight.
Will you threaten to hold your breath til you turn blue, too?
| 746 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:15:48pm |
re: #737 albusteve
anybody listening to Gimme Shelter?...maybe the greatest back up singing riff ever?...Merry Clayton...I met her, dig that
I don't know - pink floyd had a couple with some great backups. maybe the same person? - the 70's were a small world like that
| 747 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:15:49pm |
re: #735 MandyManners
Welcome to the Nanny State.
All it says is that health insurance companies have to offer family insurance plans that allow you to insure your children/adult children on your insurance until that are 26 if the adult children are unemployed or work at a job that does not offer insurance.
What is the big deal?
| 748 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:15:55pm |
re: #738 CapeCoddah
Did I submit Chowder? Dont remember. I will send her an e-mail. You need something?
Pelase. Advice about shipping clams.
| 749 |
Shiplord Kirel Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:15:56pm |
re: #654 negativ
Notable Berkeley alumni consists of legendary names from all fields.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Someone wants you to feel repulsed at mere mention of the word Berkeley. Wonder who, and why?
That would be me, along with (apparently) Alan Dershowitz and others who consider an open endorsement of terrorist propaganda to be pretty repulsive in and of itself. Beyond that, it is newsworthy and attacking the motivation of the messengers will not alter the facts about this declaration. After all, the pro-Hamas element at Berkeley did this by and large for publicity, since they know the university cannot accede to their demands.
Beyond that, are you asserting that there is some sort of conspiracy to discredit UC Berkeley? If so, it dates back to the 1960s. Even demonstrating the existence of such a conspiracy would not be enough to demonstrate that the campus is unfairly demonized. You would have to explain how this conspiracy has a greater effect on UC-Berkeley's reputation than the actual and excruciatingly well-documented antics of its legions of radical students and faculty. These far outnumber the distinguished alumni listed in the wikipedia article, many of whom pre-date the radical era by decades.
| 750 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:16:30pm |
re: #724 Varek Raith
Claymores can't go on planes. Apparently, it freaks security out.
;)
You can just ship 'em FedEx. ;)
| 751 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:16:37pm |
Three Marlenas
| 752 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:17:15pm |
re: #743 PT Barnum
Provided she's ever actually been able to find someone desperate enough to try to give her one...
Yes...I know I'm evil..
Would you say that if she were your sister?
| 753 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:17:17pm |
re: #693 blueraven
OK fair enough. But when our 20 year old daughter fell off of our family plan because she works and is a part time student, our premium should have been reduced, right? Well thats not the way it works. Cant have it both ways.
OK, fair enough. Now it's becoming a good discussion. We have a family plan with younger kids (2) and our premiums have been going up like everyone else's. I don't know your particular circumstances, but we all would like cheaper premiums. Don't know your age but our kids are 12 and 9. Is it possible that your premiums didn't go down for some other reasons (not my business and not prying, just asking).
| 754 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:17:19pm |
re: #747 webevintage
All it says is that health insurance companies have to offer family insurance plans that allow you to insure your children/adult children on your insurance until that are 26 if the adult children are unemployed or work at a job that does not offer insurance.
What is the big deal?
I am speechless.
We are adults at the age of majority, which in this nation is 18.
| 755 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:17:26pm |
re: #747 webevintage
All it says is that health insurance companies have to offer family insurance plans that allow you to insure your children/adult children on your insurance until that are 26 if the adult children are unemployed or work at a job that does not offer insurance.
What is the big deal?
| 756 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:17:33pm |
re: #727 Obdicut
Hey, have you checked out call center QA positions? With your disposition, it might be a good fit for you:
[Link: chicago.craigslist.org...]
Thank you.
| 757 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:17:34pm |
re: #744 MandyManners
Funny how that is forgotten when looking for moral equivalence.
I am strongly pro life and do not support the death penalty... except in the case of moral equivalence. Fire at will.
| 759 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:18:03pm |
re: #752 negativ
Would you say that if she were your sister?
If she were my sister, I wouldn't admit it.
| 760 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:18:16pm |
| 761 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:18:37pm |
Carnival
| 762 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:18:41pm |
re: #748 MandyManners
Pelase. Advice about shipping clams.
Packed in dry ice in a sealed cheap styrofoam cooler... fish markets here ship all over the world like that. I have a client I ship them to all winter long or he jonses. Let me know if you need help..
| 763 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:19:18pm |
re: #754 MandyManners
So what is the problem other than some arbitrary idea that you're not allowed to take advantage of family relationships once one turns 18?
| 764 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:19:34pm |
re: #757 brookly red
I am strongly pro life and do not support the death penalty... except in the case of moral equivalence. Fire at will.
| 765 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:19:37pm |
re: #745 PT Barnum
Will you threaten to hold your breath til you turn blue, too?
I never threaten to do anything.
| 766 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:19:51pm |
re: #754 MandyManners
So, for your son. You would not buy insurance for him if he could not afford it when he is 25? Would it not be cheaper if there was a larger pool of insured 25 year old American males?
| 767 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:20:02pm |
re: #761 Thanos
Keep 'em coming Thanos - good stuff. And Natalie Merchant, what a chill set of pipes that lady has.
| 768 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:20:33pm |
re: #762 CapeCoddah
Packed in dry ice in a sealed cheap styrofoam cooler... fish markets here ship all over the world like that. I have a client I ship them to all winter long or he jonses. Let me know if you need help..
Too many questions for here! E-mail might help a lot.
| 769 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:20:48pm |
re: #754 MandyManners
I am speechless.
We are adults at the age of majority, which in this nation is 18.
And I am speechless that you are speechless.
This is an amazing argument.
| 770 |
blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:20:49pm |
re: #735 MandyManners
Welcome to the Nanny State.
Maybe you wouldnt feel that way if your child had no insurance Mandy. My daughter works full time and goes to school. She is 20 years old and has a history of sinus related ailments. Her job does not offer insurance. You dont even want to know what private insurance rates have been quoted. I hope it never happens to you but it is heartbreaking and scary.
Believe me as soon as this law passes I will be looking to get my daughter back on our family plan. And you all can suck on it!
| 771 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:20:55pm |
re: #754 MandyManners
I am speechless.
We are adults at the age of majority, which in this nation is 18.
I was covered by my parents' plan at Kaiser until I turned twenty-three.
All this does is add a few more years during which you can insure your kids as they start out in the world.
| 772 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:20:58pm |
re: #746 cliffster
I don't know - pink floyd had a couple with some great backups. maybe the same person? - the 70's were a small world like that
I was trying to brag, but nobody cared...waahh!
don't know about Floyd, or their anthology but Let It Bleed was recorded in 69 and released that Dec
| 773 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:21:09pm |
re: #717 iceweasel
Nah, leave it all at home!
He's going to the center of the world!
NYC! Here comes Jimmah!
( Go to Orchard street to shop.)
| 774 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:21:09pm |
re: #760 Dark_Falcon
Not nice.
DF, I'm just sick and tired of the fucking tantrums being thrown by people who are suddenly not getting their way. Holding your breath is an empty threat anyway, since you'll start breathing again once you pass out, which is what I was referring to.
| 775 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:21:40pm |
OT but....
does anyone else cringe a little at the concept of "genetic makeup"?
| 776 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:22:11pm |
re: #726 brookly red
you noticed that too?
Bah, it's a random accident.
Ever Rod Serling teases about teh 666.
| 777 |
TheMatrix31 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:22:37pm |
re: #774 PT Barnum
I guess its a bad thing for people to stand up for what they believe in.
| 778 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:22:37pm |
re: #775 WindHorse
OT but...
does anyone else cringe a little at the concept of "genetic makeup"?
no but I hate it when my mascara runs
| 779 |
jaunte Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:22:46pm |
re: #766 prairiefire
I can imagine that in the near future there will be a large group of 18-to-20-somethings who will be surprised to find they don't have enough money to buy insurance, and will wind up on the hook for the fine, or tax or whatever.
[Link: www.slate.com...]
| 780 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:22:58pm |
re: #767 cliffster
Keep 'em coming Thanos - good stuff. And Natalie Merchant, what a chill set of pipes that lady has.
but watching her dance reminds me of this
| 781 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:23:10pm |
re: #749 Shiplord Kirel
That would be me, along with (apparently) Alan Dershowitz and others who consider an open endorsement of terrorist propaganda to be pretty repulsive in and of itself. Beyond that, it is newsworthy and attacking the motivation of the messengers will not alter the facts about this declaration. After all, the pro-Hamas element at Berkeley did this by and large for publicity, since they know the university cannot accede to their demands.
Beyond that, are you asserting that there is some sort of conspiracy to discredit UC Berkeley? If so, it dates back to the 1960s. Even demonstrating the existence of such a conspiracy would not be enough to demonstrate that the campus is unfairly demonized. You would have to explain how this conspiracy has a greater effect on UC-Berkeley's reputation than the actual and excruciatingly well-documented antics of its legions of radical students and faculty. These far outnumber the distinguished alumni listed in the wikipedia article, many of whom pre-date the radical era by decades.
I don't know what you're on about. The comment was:
"Fucking Berkeley."
Dismissive, derisive, with a bouquet of visceral rejection, no?
The question was:
Other than engineers, does anything good ever come out of that place?
And the question was answered by means of a list of examples.
The comment dismisses ideas out of hand. The question is textbook guilt-by-association.
| 782 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:23:17pm |
re: #763 PT Barnum
So what is the problem other than some arbitrary idea that you're not allowed to take advantage of family relationships once one turns 18?
Should a parent be able to order an adult child to do X, Y or Z and have it enforced by law?
One is either an adult at 18 or one is not.
BTW, I don't know if I like the older drinking age, either.
If you're old enough to volunteer to get your brains blown out in a foreign nation, you're old enough to buy a fucking beer.
| 783 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:23:19pm |
re: #778 albusteve
well, yes.... with your skin and that schnozz.... I can understand why....
| 784 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:23:40pm |
re: #751 Thanos
That boy is gifted, I tell you!!
His original drummer is from KC.
| 785 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:23:40pm |
re: #774 PT Barnum
DF, I'm just sick and tired of the fucking tantrums being thrown by people who are suddenly not getting their way. Holding your breath is an empty threat anyway, since you'll start breathing again once you pass out, which is what I was referring to.
what tantrum? I am calmly preparing a dish to be served cold.
| 786 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:23:44pm |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
Sorry. I was just having a bad-temper reaction. My second interview today was a complete bust. The person who was supposed to do it kept me waiting without updates for half an hour. No application even. So I left. I wasn't crazy about the position and the disorganization of the office sealed the deal. I did however, set two good interviews and a phone interview for next week, so my search is going well so far.
It is rude beyond belief to keep people waiting, especially without updates as to the status of the time of your interview, etc.
If they treat applicants badly, they will probably treat their employees poorly, as well. Not a loss, DF.
| 787 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:23:57pm |
re: #766 prairiefire
So, for your son. You would not buy insurance for him if he could not afford it when he is 25? Would it not be cheaper if there was a larger pool of insured 25 year old American males?
Yes, I would buy it for him but, I would not expect ANYONE but me to pay for that privilege.
| 788 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:24:28pm |
re: #725 suchislife
What word would you use to refer to both your sons and your daughters, no matter their age?
The same thing. And no matter what, my parents always thought of me as their children too.
| 789 |
goddamnedfrank Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:24:30pm |
Glenn Beck on health care reform:
"History will equate this as, as big as the New Deal or Pearl Harbor."
I think I found his writing staff.
| 790 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:24:49pm |
re: #775 WindHorse
OT but...
does anyone else cringe a little at the concept of "genetic makeup"?
Guess it depends. If you've inherited your father's noble chin, then it's pretty cool. Lung cancer? Not so much.
| 791 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:24:53pm |
re: #777 TheMatrix31
I guess its a bad thing for people to stand up for what they believe in.
If they were actually standing on principal, it would be one thing, but most of them are standing on their desire to see this administration fail or regaining power at some point if everything turns to shit.
| 792 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:24:56pm |
re: #766 prairiefire
So, for your son. You would not buy insurance for him if he could not afford it when he is 25? Would it not be cheaper if there was a larger pool of insured 25 year old American males?
Wow, what a sad commentary. My husband was married the first time at 17, worked full time, finished high school, parented and started his own company. All before 20, and from a middle class family.
His father would have keeled over dead at the thought of any parent having to support a 25 year old.
I guess no one should be responsible for themselves anymore. I have a 21 year old brother in college, getting so much child support from my father that my dad cant pay his own bills, we have to help him. My brother knows he is really hurting dad, and could give a shit less.
My 17 year old brother, who lives with dad by choice, had support ordered also, he refused it and got 2 jobs to help dad also.
Pathetic.
| 793 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:25:05pm |
Speaking of The Kid, he has another round of try-outs for baseball in the morning so I gotta' make sure his lucky pants are hung right. bbiab
| 794 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:25:23pm |
re: #777 TheMatrix31
I guess its a bad thing for people to stand up for what they believe in.
well as the one said, "it is not helpful"
bring it :)
| 795 |
TheMatrix31 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:25:29pm |
re: #789 goddamnedfrank
Well, it's a pretty fucking big deal.
| 796 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:25:39pm |
re: #785 brookly red
what tantrum? I am calmly preparing a dish to be served cold.
And what are you going to do if you're wrong?
| 797 |
Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:26:01pm |
Thank God for people like this! This is an unbelievable story. The video is incredible.
This story is about PVT Channing Moss, who was impaled by a live RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) during a Taliban ambush while on patrol. Army protocol says that medivac choppers are never to carry anyone with a live round in him. Even though they feared it could explode, the flight crew said damn the protocol and flew him to the nearest aid station.
Again, protocol said that in such a case the patient is to be put in sandbagged area away from the surgical unit, given a shot of morphine and left to wait (and die) until others are treated. Again, the medical team ignored the protocol.
Here's a seven-minute video put together by the Military Times, which includes actual footage of the surgery where Dr. John Oh, a Korean immigrant who became a naturalized citizen and went to West Point , removed the live round with the help of volunteers and a member of the EOD (explosive ordinance disposal) team.
| 798 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:26:12pm |
re: #789 goddamnedfrank
Glenn Beck on health care reform:
"History will equate this as, as big as the New Deal or Pearl Harbor."
I think I found his writing staff.
...So the surrender was a farce and Imperial Japan's revenge is...healthcare reform???
:P
| 799 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:26:29pm |
re: #768 MandyManners
Too many questions for here! E-mail might help a lot.
Nic is blue... anything you need!
Confidentiality is my specialty!
| 800 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:26:32pm |
re: #776 Floral Giraffe
Bah, it's a random accident.
Ever Rod Serling teases about teh 666.
is he still dead?
| 801 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:26:57pm |
re: #787 MandyManners
Yes, I would buy it for him but, I would not expect ANYONE but me to pay for that privilege.
Wait a minute, no body is saying that the parents don't have to pay for their kids' insurance, just that their kids can stay on their plan. So where do you get the parents aren't required to pay for the insurance?
| 802 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:27:08pm |
re: #775 WindHorse
OT but...
does anyone else cringe a little at the concept of "genetic makeup"?
Give me context.
Like is this:
"That new genetic makeup really makes your skin glow!"
or
"Your genetic makeup disqualifies you for the program."
?
| 804 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:27:28pm |
re: #778 albusteve
no but I hate it when my mascara runs
Clinique makes a nice, inexpensive waterproof mascara.
I think it'd look good on you.
They make a good remover too.
It's not hard on the eyes, even if you wear contacts.
TMI????
| 805 |
Aye Pod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:27:35pm |
re: #724 Varek Raith
Claymores can't go on planes. Apparently, it freaks security out.
;)
Nevertheless, claymores do fly over the sea - check it out:
| 806 |
Cheechako Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:27:54pm |
re: #612 blueraven
Huh?
Try to keep up.
[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]
When I see this list I can see why insurance companies have raised their rates this year. Some of these items are going to be very hard for the companies to cost out to determine what rates they need to charge.
| 807 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:28:02pm |
re: #792 CapeCoddah
Wow, what a sad commentary. My husband was married the first time at 17, worked full time, finished high school, parented and started his own company. All before 20, and from a middle class family.
His father would have keeled over dead at the thought of any parent having to support a 25 year old.
I guess no one should be responsible for themselves anymore. I have a 21 year old brother in college, getting so much child support from my father that my dad cant pay his own bills, we have to help him. My brother knows he is really hurting dad, and could give a shit less.
My 17 year old brother, who lives with dad by choice, had support ordered also, he refused it and got 2 jobs to help dad also.
Pathetic.
So in other words, national policy should be tailored to your opinions about your admittedly dysfunctional family?
| 808 |
Daniel Ballard Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:28:13pm |
re: #732 Dark_Falcon
At this point it is hard for a sensible right wing point to even be heard! I refer to the public domain in general, not this blog. Heh at least that site is sane enough to link here-that says something these days'!
| 809 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:28:14pm |
| 810 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:28:21pm |
re: #783 WindHorse
well, yes... with your skin and that schnozz... I can understand why...
it's a never ending problem
| 811 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:28:49pm |
OK I gotta go get the take out... bbl if gf allows.
| 813 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:29:25pm |
re: #807 negativ
So in other words, national policy should be tailored to your opinions about your admittedly dysfunctional family?
It's going to be tailored to somebody's dysfunction. Why not hers?
| 814 |
blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:29:39pm |
re: #787 MandyManners
Yes, I would buy it for him but, I would not expect ANYONE but me to pay for that privilege.
Who is asking anyone else to pay for it. Like I said, when my daughter was dropped off our insurance, our premiums didnt go down. It is no skin off your nose either way. You dont know what you are talking about.
| 815 |
bratwurst Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:29:44pm |
re: #549 Dark_Falcon
I don't agree. Pass or fail, the Dems are going to get slugged in the fall.
So you are saying that a president's first midterm is going to hold true to form? Agreed.
| 816 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:29:53pm |
re: #782 MandyManners
Should a parent be able to order an adult child to do X, Y or Z and have it enforced by law?
One is either an adult at 18 or one is not.
People often pay for their children's education past the age of eighteen. They buy their children stuff to start their adult lives with.
Why is including them on the family health plan so crazy?
If the kids do not want to be on the plan, they can strike out and do whatever they like.
| 817 |
Mr. Crankypants Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:29:57pm |
Wife is giving me that come hither look....PT...take the dog out...
Have a good night everybody.
| 818 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:30:04pm |
re: #792 CapeCoddah
Wow, what a sad commentary. My husband was married the first time at 17, worked full time, finished high school, parented and started his own company. All before 20, and from a middle class family.
Oh I get it.
A parent paying for their kids health insurance till they are 26 if they have a job without it or are unemployed after college is not "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps" enough for you.
You know I actually have no dog in this fight.
Even though my son will get dropped from our insurance in 2012 unless he does end up going to school, his PT job has very cheap insurance that he can get even working 25 hours.
I just don't see what the resistance to this is.
| 819 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:30:10pm |
re: #786 reine.de.tout
It is rude beyond belief to keep people waiting, especially without updates as to the status of the time of your interview, etc.
If they treat applicants badly, they will probably treat their employees poorly, as well. Not a loss, DF.
It's only happened to me once, but I got a special thrill that I was smart enough to dodge a bad situation. I was interviewed by two guys who spent the entire time bad mouthing the person I was to replace. A million things ran through my mind, the least of which was, "And I'm walking into this situation?" Not me.
| 820 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:30:17pm |
I know you are quite independent. There still exists a % of American society that through, who knows what reason, are sitting in the poverty boat. I'm sure you have a charitable heart.
| 821 |
bagua Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:31:01pm |
| 822 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:31:13pm |
re: #819 marjoriemoon
It's only happened to me once, but I got a special thrill that I was smart enough to dodge a bad situation. I was interviewed by two guys who spent the entire time bad mouthing the person I was to replace. A million things ran through my mind, the least of which was, "And I'm walking into this situation?" Not me.
Smart move on your part.
People forget that when they go in for an interview, the interviewee is also (or should also be) interviewing the employer.
| 823 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:31:20pm |
re: #804 Floral Giraffe
Clinique makes a nice, inexpensive waterproof mascara.
I think it'd look good on you.
They make a good remover too.
It's not hard on the eyes, even if you wear contacts.
TMI???
I've made a Post-it...thanks, I'll look for it at the Dollar General
| 824 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:32:14pm |
re: #823 albusteve
I've made a Post-it...thanks, I'll look for it at the Dollar General
Rookie mistake. No Clinique at the Dollar General.
| 825 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:32:22pm |
re: #807 negativ
So in other words, national policy should be tailored to your opinions about your admittedly dysfunctional family?
Nope. Grownups should be responsible for themselves.
| 826 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:32:23pm |
re: #815 bratwurst
So you are saying that a president's first midterm is going to hold true to form? Agreed.
Agree also, with the additional stipulation that a bad economy always translates to general anti-incumbent sentiment as well.
That will affect incumbents of both parties, of course, but put the two together and the wingnut scream machine, and all we're going to hear will be that the midterms signal a rejection of Obama and Dems.
That will be bullshit, but there you go.
| 827 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:32:36pm |
re: #801 PT Barnum
Wait a minute, no body is saying that the parents don't have to pay for their kids' insurance, just that their kids can stay on their plan. So where do you get the parents aren't required to pay for the insurance?
Because no one wants to acknowledge that this isn't about people getting something for nothing, it's about people getting a fair shake for their goddamn money.
| 829 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:33:33pm |
re: #827 SanFranciscoZionist
Because no one wants to acknowledge that this isn't about people getting something for nothing, it's about people getting a fair shake for their goddamn money.
It's always those damn freeloaders. Killing the economy and my future./
| 830 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:33:37pm |
re: #823 albusteve
HOW IS THE NEW KID?
That's the important thing?
Is your grandbaby all well & good? Healthy? Mom did OK?
Enquiring minds, want to know.
( Forget the mascara!)
| 831 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:33:42pm |
| 832 |
Shiplord Kirel Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:34:07pm |
Certain people on the right like to characterize my own alma mater, Cornell University, as "Berkeley east" and Ithaca as the "city of evil."
I am not the least bit offended by this, as long as people don't over-apply the generalization and assume that I, for example, am a crazed moonbat just by virtue of having been a student there. The place really is infested with crazies and it was in the 70s when I was there. In fact, it sometimes seems to be frozen in time. If it is still 1958 here at Texas Tech, it is still 1972 in Ithaca.
Even so, some worthwhile things have been done there and continue to this day. Cornell operates the Arecibo radio observatory, for example, and was the longtime home of a certain professor Carl Sagan. I myself seem to have avoided assimilation into the Cornell moonbat collective and I have heard that there are others like me.
The antics of the crazies are real though and no ulterior motive is necessary for someone to find fault with them.
| 833 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:34:21pm |
re: #818 webevintage
Oh I get it.
A parent paying for their kids health insurance till they are 26 if they have a job without it or are unemployed after college is not "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps" enough for you.You know I actually have no dog in this fight.
Even though my son will get dropped from our insurance in 2012 unless he does end up going to school, his PT job has very cheap insurance that he can get even working 25 hours.
I just don't see what the resistance to this is.
See my 825
| 834 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:35:32pm |
just my experience.... (and I know I am lucky)
I haven't had health insurance for nearly 15-years. My manila folder at the doc's is over two inches thick. I have had some of the weirdest chit wrong with me (which = many pre-existing conditions).
One of my pre-existing conditions means I will never get health insurance.
A long time ago, I looked at life and decided I would just need to deal with it.
And, for the most part - I have.
Who (by the way) said life should be handed to me on a silver platter??
Why am I such a weirdo?
by the way.... I do have catastrophic insurance and it ain't cheap.... but - it motivates me to work all the harder....
just my thayng....
| 835 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:35:38pm |
Another unheard of band doing things too far ahead of their time
| 836 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:36:24pm |
| 837 |
Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:36:44pm |
Drive by post geared toward 'Health Care':
1. Get the everyone's records on one giant database. That will help shrink the 'redtape' (yes there will be a few downsides/kinks to be worked out, but the benefits will outweigh the negatives)
2. uh...that's all I got to offer.
Night all.
| 838 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:36:56pm |
re: #786 reine.de.tout
It is rude beyond belief to keep people waiting, especially without updates as to the status of the time of your interview, etc.
If they treat applicants badly, they will probably treat their employees poorly, as well. Not a loss, DF.
Quite Concur.
| 839 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:36:58pm |
re: #770 blueraven
Maybe you wouldnt feel that way if your child had no insurance Mandy. My daughter works full time and goes to school. She is 20 years old and has a history of sinus related ailments. Her job does not offer insurance. You dont even want to know what private insurance rates have been quoted. I hope it never happens to you but it is heartbreaking and scary.
Believe me as soon as this law passes I will be looking to get my daughter back on our family plan. And you all can suck on it!
Sorry to rain on your parade, but life sucks. I didn't have insurance in college or my first jobs either. Do you pay every time her car breaks down?? And I'm not even going to comment on your last offensive remark.
What you are saying is that we, as taxpayers, are responsible for your 20-year old's "sinus related ailments." How about you pay for my 12-year old's asthma medication??
Oh, you all can suck on it!
| 840 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:37:00pm |
re: #437 brookly red
I have no problem with cato per say, but really wtf is a think tank ? & how can I get paid for that kinda stuff?
You can join the new, improved, Cato the Elder† think-tank.
I sit here and think all day long. It's fatiguing. I need assistants.
RFP:
Looking for bright, no-longer-young, disillusioned, snarky, unpredictable thinkers with time on their hands and minimal salary expectations.
Non-negotiable requirement: literacy.
No benefits except for Navy-style tickle fights.
Please send résumé, including seven recent LGF writing samples with updings of 17+, to Cato the Elder Institute, 1 Delenda Way, Carthage, OH, 39847. Include SASE and initiation fee of €10,000.
†Note: Cato the Elder Institute is a for-profit but equal-opportunity employer. However, applicants with experience in sarcasm, satire and/or actual physical flesh-tearing will be given preference.
| 841 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:37:04pm |
re: #832 Shiplord Kirel
Cornell is in the top 12, I think. Excellent institution. I went to a more mid level school. I think the right and left leaning students there were not as strident. Not as brilliant, frankly.
| 842 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:37:22pm |
Oh, Floral, a school story for you:
As we begin prayer at the beginning of class, the kid leading asks for special intentions. One of the boys raises his hand.
"I'd like to pray for my friends," he says. He pauses and thinks. "And I'd like to pray for my enemies. And I'd like to pray for all the people in the middle that I don't know very well yet."
| 843 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:37:30pm |
re: #834 WindHorse
just my experience... (and I know I am lucky)
I haven't had health insurance for nearly 15-years. My manila folder at the doc's is over two inches thick. I have had some of the weirdest chit wrong with me (which = many pre-existing conditions).
One of my pre-existing conditions means I will never get health insurance.
A long time ago, I looked at life and decided I would just need to deal with it.
And, for the most part - I have.
Who (by the way) said life should be handed to me on a silver platter??
Why am I such a weirdo?
by the way... I do have catastrophic insurance and it ain't cheap... but - it motivates me to work all the harder...
just my thayng...
That's not very politically correct, ya know!
You are 10 feet tall in my eyes.
| 844 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:38:03pm |
re: #839 Unakite
Sorry to rain on your parade, but life sucks. I didn't have insurance in college or my first jobs either. Do you pay every time her car breaks down?? And I'm not even going to comment on your last offensive remark.
What you are saying is that we, as taxpayers, are responsible for your 20-year old's "sinus related ailments." How about you pay for my 12-year old's asthma medication??
Oh, you all can suck on it!
How did the taxpayers get involved in this?
| 845 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:38:29pm |
re: #843 CapeCoddah
thanks.... but I think your head is tipped sideways.... ;)
| 846 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:38:45pm |
re: #824 Stanley Sea
Rookie mistake. No Clinique at the Dollar General.
oops!...I meant Marshall Fields
| 847 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:38:50pm |
re: #822 reine.de.tout
Smart move on your part.
People forget that when they go in for an interview, the interviewee is also (or should also be) interviewing the employer.
Yaa. The funny thing was, I never actually declined the job. The manager never called me back. She was an acquaintance actually. But a month later, the woman who took the job left and then, she called me back. She told me there was a "misunderstanding" with the woman they hired. Uh huh. Ok. I told her I accepted a position already. I hadn't, but one doesn't like to burn bridges. I landed a job a week after and am still in it after 11 years!
| 848 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:39:04pm |
re: #839 Unakite
Sorry to rain on your parade, but life sucks. I didn't have insurance in college or my first jobs either. Do you pay every time her car breaks down?? And I'm not even going to comment on your last offensive remark.
What you are saying is that we, as taxpayers, are responsible for your 20-year old's "sinus related ailments." How about you pay for my 12-year old's asthma medication??
Oh, you all can suck on it!
Oh, and BTW, it's going to be unbearable in here for about three days when this passes, so if I vanish or start posting only in bad Spanish or something, you'll all know why. Nothing personal.
| 849 |
goddamnedfrank Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:39:44pm |
re: #795 TheMatrix31
Well, it's a pretty fucking big deal.
Well okay then, that's different, by all means continue to run around spouting inane bullshit.
| 850 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:40:16pm |
Wonder
| 851 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:40:48pm |
| 852 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:40:52pm |
re: #763 PT Barnum
So what is the problem other than some arbitrary idea that you're not allowed to take advantage of family relationships once one turns 18?
Uhm..,it's not arbitrary, for one. They're adults for another.
| 853 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:41:32pm |
| 854 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:41:40pm |
re: #834 WindHorse
just my experience... (and I know I am lucky)
I haven't had health insurance for nearly 15-years. My manila folder at the doc's is over two inches thick. I have had some of the weirdest chit wrong with me (which = many pre-existing conditions).
One of my pre-existing conditions means I will never get health insurance.
A long time ago, I looked at life and decided I would just need to deal with it.
And, for the most part - I have.
Who (by the way) said life should be handed to me on a silver platter??
Why am I such a weirdo?
by the way... I do have catastrophic insurance and it ain't cheap... but - it motivates me to work all the harder...
just my thayng...
It sounds like you're single yes? I will say there's a difference between being single and having a spouse and two dependents. The money goes a lot quicker.
| 855 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:41:51pm |
re: #840 Cato the Elder
†Note: Cato the Elder Institute is a for-profit but equal-opportunity employer. However, applicants with experience in sarcasm, satire and/or actual physical flesh-tearing will be given preference.
Application in process!
| 856 |
blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:42:02pm |
re: #839 Unakite
Sorry to rain on your parade, but life sucks. I didn't have insurance in college or my first jobs either. Do you pay every time her car breaks down?? And I'm not even going to comment on your last offensive remark.
What you are saying is that we, as taxpayers, are responsible for your 20-year old's "sinus related ailments." How about you pay for my 12-year old's asthma medication??
Oh, you all can suck on it!
First of all I dont equate an auto repair to the health of my child. Second, nobody is asking you to pay for a damn thing. It is my insurance plan. I pay for it. Got it?
| 857 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:42:22pm |
Boulevard
| 858 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:42:32pm |
re: #856 blueraven
First of all I dont equate an auto repair to the health of my child. Second, nobody is asking you to pay for a damn thing. It is my insurance plan. I pay for it. Got it?
SOCIALISM!11!1...wait...what?
;)
| 860 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:43:34pm |
re: #855 iceweasel
Application in process!
I didn't know you had such cute little pink toes.
Is there any way I can woo you away from Jimmah?
If not, do you have a nubile sister?
Just askin'.
| 861 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:44:28pm |
The Great War of Yankee Aggression!111!11
| 862 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:44:38pm |
re: #854 marjoriemoon
I have been a single dad since 1997. My kids get their insurance from their Mom (thankfully). And I am a youngish (fattish) 53......
Trust me - with two teenage sons (one in college) the money goes nearly as fast as I earn it...
(and I earn ever penny)
| 864 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:44:57pm |
re: #840 Cato the Elder
You can join the new, improved, Cato the Elder† think-tank.
I sit here and think all day long. It's fatiguing. I need assistants.
RFP:
Looking for bright, no-longer-young, disillusioned, snarky, unpredictable thinkers with time on their hands and minimal salary expectations.
Non-negotiable requirement: literacy.
No benefits except for Navy-style tickle fights.
Please send résumé, including seven recent LGF writing samples with updings of 17+, to Cato the Elder Institute, 1 Delenda Way, Carthage, OH, 39847. Include SASE and initiation fee of €10,000.
†Note: Cato the Elder Institute is a for-profit but equal-opportunity employer. However, applicants with experience in sarcasm, satire and/or actual physical flesh-tearing will be given preference.
LOL!
I'd like to apply, but, prefer to think on the nicer side of things.
Anyway, I don't know if I have the requisite posts with 17 updings.
(How DID you arrive at that number, anyway?)
Is bitchy a qualification?
| 865 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:45:15pm |
re: #763 PT Barnum
So what is the problem other than some arbitrary idea that you're not allowed to take advantage of family relationships once one turns 18?
Speaking of taking advantage of family relationships at age 18, Dave Ramsey had a dilly of a call today. A woman called in about a big debt that her husband was struggling under. Seems that the husband, at age 18, was taken down to the bank by his father and told to sign some papers, cosigning a loan that the father wasn't able to get on his own. The father later defaulted, and the young man was on the hook for it, eighty large. Dave kept his tone civil, but it took some pregnant pauses for him to get through that call.
| 866 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:45:21pm |
re: #852 Unakite
Uhm..,it's not arbitrary, for one. They're adults for another.
Many policies now permit people to keep children on their policies until they are 22 or 23, so the age of majority isn't all that relevant to the discussion.
Sure, they're adults. My husband is an adult, and he's covered on my policy. Anyone want to cry and scream about how the taxpayers are being burdened by that, and how irresponsible we are?
| 867 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:45:23pm |
re: #862 WindHorse
I have been a single dad since 1997. My kids get their insurance from their Mom (thankfully). And I am a youngish (fattish) 53...
Trust me - with two teenage sons (one in college) the money goes nearly as fast as I earn it...
(and I earn ever penny)
Ok, well, then.
Nevermind!
| 868 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:01pm |
re: #856 blueraven
First of all I dont equate an auto repair to the health of my child. Second, nobody is asking you to pay for a damn thing. It is my insurance plan. I pay for it. Got it?
I swear Blue, they are just paranoid as hell that it's somehow going to get them! It's just opening the insurance market a little more. Paranoia is running the show though. I feel for you and your situation, remember a lot of other people are on your side and wish the best for you and your kid.
| 869 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:26pm |
re: #799 CapeCoddah
My ISP doesn't *do* that system.
I was wondering about a supplier and I don't want to post particulars.
| 870 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:29pm |
re: #861 Varek Raith
The Great War of Yankee Aggression!111!11
I haz whistle, and I haz dogz. Reelect me!
| 871 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:43pm |
re: #839 Unakite
Sorry to rain on your parade, but life sucks. I didn't have insurance in college or my first jobs either. Do you pay every time her car breaks down?? And I'm not even going to comment on your last offensive remark.
What you are saying is that we, as taxpayers, are responsible for your 20-year old's "sinus related ailments." How about you pay for my 12-year old's asthma medication??
Allowing a parent to keep their adult children on their insurance until 26 does not mean taxpayers are responsible.
Say this does not pass and your 12 year old is now 20 with her pre-existing condition which means she probably has no insurance. Maybe she has a job that does not pay much and her meds are so expensive that she can't move out nor can she go to school full time.
Of course you will help her, but you'll also think "wow, too bad we had to drop her from our insurance when she turned 19".
| 872 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:46pm |
re: #602 albusteve
Elmore James
'Dust My Broom'
the single greatest riff every laid down with a guitar
It was incredibly simple, only eleven notes long and oh so easy to play, but for me it was the greatest rock and roll intro ever.
*Day Tripper - The Beatles*
Good Evening LGF.
| 873 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:53pm |
re: #856 blueraven
First of all I dont equate an auto repair to the health of my child. Second, nobody is asking you to pay for a damn thing. It is my insurance plan. I pay for it. Got it?
With the 19 new taxes coming all of our way if this mess passes, it will be everyone's problem.
If you really think your insurance rates will drop, you are dreaming. As I posted the other night, here in Mass, this health care fiasco passed a few years ago. 4, to be exact. Our rates have skyrocketed. We now have the highest and fastest rising rates in the country. Our deficit this year alone so far is 22 mil, ALL health care.
We just LOST oour health care, because after the 41%hike 2 years ago, a 50% hike last year and the 30% hike notice last month, we had to drop it, pay a $2500.00 fine, and cannot afford it at all. So, we will continue to pay a fine, and have no coverage. Have fun with your fantasies!
| 874 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:46:58pm |
Capital 10K coming up in 3 weeks.6 miles is a long ways. I've been getting ready for it but it's hard to get this fat ass to go that far with any speed. Maybe if I ate less food, I'd drop some weight between now and then.
| 875 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:47:04pm |
re: #864 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
I'd like to apply, but, prefer to think on the nicer side of things.
Anyway, I don't know if I have the requisite posts with 17 updings.
(How DID you arrive at that number, anyway?)
Is bitchy a qualification?
When in doubt, always pick a random prime number.
| 876 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:47:11pm |
| 877 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:47:51pm |
| 878 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:48:04pm |
re: #876 MandyManners
Fidel will be one day.
I'm not so sure about that. I mean, the man is like the Energizer Bunny of Communism.
| 879 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:48:26pm |
re: #801 PT Barnum
Wait a minute, no body is saying that the parents don't have to pay for their kids' insurance, just that their kids can stay on their plan. So where do you get the parents aren't required to pay for the insurance?
An 18-year-old individual is not a "kid" in America.
| 880 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:48:35pm |
re: #861 Varek Raith
The Great War of Yankee Aggression!111!11
[Video]
My standing answer to Neo-Confederates:
| 881 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:48:37pm |
re: #869 MandyManners
My ISP doesn't *do* that system.
I was wondering about a supplier and I don't want to post particulars.
Joes fish market, Sandwich, Massachusetts. You should be able to find them on line, or call information.
| 882 |
Van Helsing Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:48:47pm |
re: #829 Stanley Sea
It's always those damn freeloaders. Killing the economy and my future./
Speaking of the future - Social Security IOUs
Shall we borrow the money or print it?
| 884 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:49:11pm |
| 885 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:50:04pm |
re: #872 Spare O'Lake
It was incredibly simple, only eleven notes long and oh so easy to play, but for me it was the greatest rock and roll intro ever.
*Day Tripper - The Beatles*
Good Evening LGF.
the entire song is oriented to that one riff...something the Beatles usually tried to avoid, but it worked and it's a classic (Lennon would probably call it garbage)
| 886 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:50:18pm |
re: #876 MandyManners
Fidel will be one day.
Doubtful. He was bitten by a vampire. He is now immortal
| 887 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:50:31pm |
Uncle! I've been busier than a bee tonight IRL.
| 888 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:50:35pm |
Mandy....
one word, all lower case:
The dot Quay at comcast dot net is my throwaway.
| 889 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:50:47pm |
re: #879 MandyManners
Mandy, most people are kids until their mid-thirties....
And, I don't think there is anything wrong with that (as long as they get a job somewhere in their early to mid-twenties.....)
imo.
| 890 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:04pm |
re: #879 MandyManners
An 18-year-old individual is not a "kid" in America.
Neither is my husband. He's thirty-four.
| 891 |
Van Helsing Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:07pm |
re: #882 Van Helsing
Speaking of the future - Social Security IOUs
Shall we borrow the money or print it?
I missed the best part of the article
Good luck to the politician who reneges on that debt, said Barbara Kennelly, a former Democratic congresswoman from Connecticut who is now president of the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare."Those bonds are protected by the full faith and credit of the United States of America," Kennelly said. "They're as solid as what we owe China and Japan."
Emphasis added
| 892 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:23pm |
Kids
| 893 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:46pm |
re: #882 Van Helsing
Speaking of the future - Social Security IOUs
Shall we borrow the money or print it?
or tax returns?....we are fucked and the HCR bill will only add to it
| 894 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:54pm |
re: #787 MandyManners
Yes, I would buy it for him but, I would not expect ANYONE but me to pay for that privilege.
Tough concept to understand? Don't know why. My wife and I are responsible for our family. Why would I expect you or anyone else to pay for our insurance? If I choose to insure my "adult children", first, why should I expect someone else to pay for it and second, if they're working, why can't they contribute to the payments??
| 895 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:51:59pm |
re: #886 cliffster
Doubtful. He was bitten by a vampire. He is now immortal
Now, that would be one hell of a twist for a vampire novel. Hell. Can I write it, if I get the inspiration?
| 896 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:52:05pm |
Bowie on Everett
| 897 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:52:06pm |
re: #886 cliffster
Doubtful. He was bitten by a vampire. He is now immortal
So is Stalin. Hitler. Pol Pot. Che.
| 898 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:52:42pm |
| 899 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:52:57pm |
re: #894 Unakite
NO ONE ELSE IS PAYING FOR THIS. IT JUST EXTENDS HOW LONG A PARENT CAN PAY TO KEEP THEM ON THEIR INSURANCE.
/shouting.
;)
| 900 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:52:58pm |
re: #842 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, Floral, a school story for you:
As we begin prayer at the beginning of class, the kid leading asks for special intentions. One of the boys raises his hand.
"I'd like to pray for my friends," he says. He pauses and thinks. "And I'd like to pray for my enemies. And I'd like to pray for all the people in the middle that I don't know very well yet."
Mister Clemens, paging Mister Samuel Clemens.
>
| 901 |
Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:53:18pm |
re: #848 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, and BTW, it's going to be unbearable in here for about three days when this passes, so if I vanish or start posting only in bad Spanish or something, you'll all know why. Nothing personal.
You're no fun at all!
;-)
| 903 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:53:45pm |
re: #899 Varek Raith
NO ONE ELSE IS PAYING FOR THIS. IT JUST EXTENDS HOW LONG A PARENT CAN PAY TO KEEP THEM ON THEIR INSURANCE.
/shouting.
;)
Still won't sink in. Too much fear. Thanks for trying!
| 904 |
goddamnedfrank Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:54:16pm |
re: #787 MandyManners
Yes, I would buy it for him but, I would not expect ANYONE but me to pay for that privilege.
You're saying that life, health and its preservation is more than a little bit about who a person knows, their support networks and their familial circumstances. I agree, but that doesn't make it a good thing.
| 905 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:54:36pm |
| 906 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:54:52pm |
re: #894 Unakite
Tough concept to understand? Don't know why. My wife and I are responsible for our family. Why would I expect you or anyone else to pay for our insurance? If I choose to insure my "adult children", first, why should I expect someone else to pay for it and second, if they're working, why can't they contribute to the payments??
NO ONE is asking anyone else to pay for it.
If you read the bill you would see that this is only for unemployed or adult children who have jobs that do not offer insurance.
| 907 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:54:53pm |
re: #894 Unakite
Tough concept to understand? Don't know why. My wife and I are responsible for our family. Why would I expect you or anyone else to pay for our insurance? If I choose to insure my "adult children", first, why should I expect someone else to pay for it and second, if they're working, why can't they contribute to the payments??
Third or fourth time's the charm--NO ONE ELSE PAYS. This isn't free insurance, it's insurance you pay for.
And if the kids are working, they can make any suitable agreement with you about money.
My husband lived with his parents until he was twenty-six. He worked from the time he got out of high school, helped pay the rent and the groceries, and fixed the plumbing on occasion. Is this also offensive to the people who can't stand the idea of people getting to stay on their parents' insurance? I mean, he was over eighteen, he should have gotten out of the house, right?
| 908 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:55:08pm |
re: #895 SanFranciscoZionist
Now, that would be one hell of a twist for a vampire novel. Hell. Can I write it, if I get the inspiration?
I want 5%. If you write well, that should at least cover my golf for the next decade.
| 909 |
Bagua Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:55:27pm |
re: #836 albusteve
won't open for me...but here it is, Elmore James
[Video]
Scratch another mp3 fileserver off my list, finicky things.
Here is the Youtube version:
Dust My Broom
- RL Burnside
| 910 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:55:36pm |
re: #899 Varek Raith
NO ONE ELSE IS PAYING FOR THIS. IT JUST EXTENDS HOW LONG A PARENT CAN PAY TO KEEP THEM ON THEIR INSURANCE.
/shouting.
;)
Dude, save your breath. This is just a high wind. The real storm is coming.
| 912 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:55:55pm |
re: #910 SanFranciscoZionist
Dude, save your breath. This is just a high wind. The real storm is coming.
Heh, just having fun.
| 914 |
blueraven Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:56:25pm |
re: #868 Stanley Sea
I swear Blue, they are just paranoid as hell that it's somehow going to get them! It's just opening the insurance market a little more. Paranoia is running the show though. I feel for you and your situation, remember a lot of other people are on your side and wish the best for you and your kid.
Thank you! I know you are right.
| 915 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:56:36pm |
re: #882 Van Helsing
Speaking of the future - Social Security IOUs
Shall we borrow the money or print it?
One good thing about George W. Bush's failed attempt to fix Social Security--it's no longer the third rail of American politics. It's now politically possible to admit the program has serious problems without being accused of wanting to starve the elderly.
| 917 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:57:13pm |
re: #908 cliffster
I want 5%. If you write well, that should at least cover my golf for the next decade.
Deal. I figure a handshake in Charles' archives should be valid in court, no?
| 918 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:57:15pm |
re: #910 SanFranciscoZionist
Dude, save your breath. This is just a high wind. The real storm is coming.
You are very right
ho
ly
shit
| 921 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:57:49pm |
re: #816 SanFranciscoZionist
People often pay for their children's education past the age of eighteen. They buy their children stuff to start their adult lives with.
Why is including them on the family health plan so crazy?
If the kids do not want to be on the plan, they can strike out and do whatever they like.
I'm way behind but agree 100 percent. The question I have seen above is who is to pay for it? I have no problems with parents putting kids (or young adults) on their insurance, but that is their responsibility, not mine. I just paid (over the last two years) about $6,000.00 for braces for my oldest son. That was NOT covered by insurance and was hard to do, but no one else paid for it.
| 923 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:58:31pm |
re: #909 Bagua
Scratch another mp3 fileserver off my list, finicky things.
Here is the Youtube version:
Dust My Broom
[Video]
- RL Burnside
some of them play some not...about 50/50? for me?...but the audio is excellent....I'm still a tube geek
RL has a bit of a different take here eh?
| 924 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:58:44pm |
re: #917 SanFranciscoZionist
Deal. I figure a handshake in Charles' archives should be valid in court, no?
SFZ, your word is like an oak.
| 925 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:59:06pm |
re: #921 Unakite
I'm way behind but agree 100 percent. The question I have seen above is who is to pay for it? I have no problems with parents putting kids (or young adults) on their insurance, but that is their responsibility, not mine.
Then what are you arguing about?
| 926 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:59:17pm |
Ok, between the savage beatdown he gave Noonan on Morning Joe, and this fantastic shredding of the GOP hoax memo in the Senate, Anthony Weiner is my new hero.
So much win.
| 928 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:59:40pm |
| 929 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 7:59:55pm |
re: #885 albusteve
the entire song is oriented to that one riff...something the Beatles usually tried to avoid, but it worked and it's a classic (Lennon would probably call it garbage)
Speaking of popular musicians putting down their own work, the one that make a big impression on me was an interview with Paul Simon, who called his S&G classic "I Am A Rock" his most selfish and indulgent song.
For myself and millions of other alienated youngsters it was an anthem.
| 930 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:00:14pm |
re: #911 prairiefire
Great song, but I prefer it with his band.
| 931 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:00:14pm |
re: #917 SanFranciscoZionist
Deal. I figure a handshake in Charles' archives should be valid in court, no?
OK by me... but court?
| 932 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:00:22pm |
| 933 |
Van Helsing Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:00:40pm |
re: #915 The Sanity Inspector
One good thing about George W. Bush's failed attempt to fix Social Security--it's no longer the third rail of American politics. It's now politically possible to admit the program has serious problems without being accused of wanting to starve the elderly.
I dunno. There's a lot of baby boomers that are NOT going to be pleased with any reduction in benefits or increased tax on their benefits or diddling around with means testing...
Then again, I never thought that something as twisted as the current (more or less) health careinsurance reform bill would ever come about.
| 934 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:01:08pm |
re: #834 WindHorse
just my experience... (and I know I am lucky)
I haven't had health insurance for nearly 15-years. My manila folder at the doc's is over two inches thick. I have had some of the weirdest chit wrong with me (which = many pre-existing conditions).
One of my pre-existing conditions means I will never get health insurance.
A long time ago, I looked at life and decided I would just need to deal with it.
And, for the most part - I have.
Who (by the way) said life should be handed to me on a silver platter??
Why am I such a weirdo?
by the way... I do have catastrophic insurance and it ain't cheap... but - it motivates me to work all the harder...
just my thayng...
Just so you'll know - in case you ever need it - depending on your income, if you are hit with some really huge medical bills not covered by your catastrophic - in some states, folks can apply for and receive temporary assistance through Medicaid.
So - it could be an option for you, should you ever need it.
| 935 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:01:11pm |
re: #926 iceweasel
Ok, between the savage beatdown he gave Noonan on Morning Joe, and this fantastic shredding of the GOP hoax memo in the Senate, Anthony Weiner is my new hero.
So much win.
exactly what Obdicut said...the guy must be fantastically awsome
| 936 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:01:21pm |
Ernie (vid choppy but still worth a listen... trust me.)
| 937 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:01:26pm |
| 938 |
bratwurst Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:01:42pm |
Something for the girl with everything?
| 939 |
lostlakehiker Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:01:49pm |
re: #15 Guanxi88
Apropos of nothing but my own ADDOCD (constantly changing obsessions, with a hat-tip to Dennis Miller) I've been wading through the old census data to try to put together some historical data on median new house price as a percentage of annual median income. It's early in the game (only got about 40 years' data, and want to go back further, if possible), but so far, it looks like I've found ONE of the causes of the wide-spread perception of falling incomes over time. Here's a hint - your house costs you more than it used to; a hell of a lot more.
Here's my take: we accept as givens the things that today are far cheaper than they were in the past. Oh, that doesn't count, is our attitude.
We live longer and healthier. Our autos are safer, our highways are safer. We get considerably better MPGs. We have computers, internet, and practically free long distance telephony. Cell phones are a convenience and a time saver. Apples come from Chile so we can enjoy fresh apples year-round.
Our home entertainment products are better. Not radio, but TV. Not 2 or 3 channels, but hundreds. In color. In high-def. Home lighting costs less, because we have CF bulbs. And if those aren't good enough, there's LED lighting.
Our refrigerators are better. They're bigger, they defrost themselves, they use less electricity, they make ice automatically.
Our homes are bigger. Construction techniques have improved, so they're more durable. Paints are better so they need less frequent repainting. They're better insulated.
With food and clothing pretty much covered, and at a small fraction of your income, there's more that can be devoted to shelter. Naturally, people shift their spending to that category. Even though we eat more than we used to, and to an unhealthy extent, we can only power through so much food. With housing though, the sky's the limit.
And where is the downside in all this material progress? More people are in a position to bid up the price on prime real estate locations. Partly that's a reality, and partly it's a byproduct of a reckless extension of credit to buyers who have little prospect of paying down the mighty sums they borrowed to win the bidding war and snag their dream house.
As this unwinds, if it does unwind, housing prices will moderate. Until such time as we run into real natural resource shortages, or the serious AGW stuff hits (frequent crop failures?), we can expect more of this growing prosperity.
But prosperity won't reduce the cost of piano lessons for the kids. If anything, it will drive it up. There is no technological progress in piano lessons. A one-hour lesson costs one man-hour of professional time. Wages rise during eras of technical progress, so that one man-hour will cost more, even in constant dollars, than it used to.
The other thing that fuels perceptions of a drop in general prosperity is inflation. Gasoline used to cost 29 cents per gallon, now it's ten times that and rising. But wait---the minimum wage was correspondingly less back then. And as mentioned already, it's not the gasoline that delivers value; gasoline is a means to an end. When your car gets you there faster and safer on less fuel, you're richer even if you cannot afford quite as many gallons as you used to.
| 940 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:01:50pm |
re: #840 Cato the Elder
NB: No CFOs, CPAs, MBAs, COOs, or SEOs need apply. Cato the Elder Institute seeks only qualified applicants with real-world experience. Jazz guitarists welcome.
| 941 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:01:51pm |
| 942 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:02:06pm |
re: #922 MandyManners
I'm flummoxed utterly.
If you turn the words DOT into . you have a way to contact me. It may be cheaper for me to send the package than the fish store, I dont charge extra!
| 943 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:02:13pm |
re: #928 CapeCoddah
I wanted to ask *you* a question about the culture of that region.
| 944 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:02:15pm |
re: #886 cliffster
Doubtful. He was bitten by a vampire. He is now immortal
Only the good die young.
| 945 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:02:38pm |
re: #935 albusteve
exactly what Obdicut said...the guy must be fantastically awsome
He is. I got that link from someone here (hello person! Sorry I don't remember who posted it!) as well as the Noonan one.
| 946 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:02:50pm |
Or, Mandy, If you can e-mail Reine, she can give you my e-mail and phone #
| 947 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:02:55pm |
re: #938 bratwurst
I like their music but never dug that weird Nazi vibe... was never sure if it was put on or real....
| 948 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:03:09pm |
re: #929 Spare O'Lake
Speaking of popular musicians putting down their own work, the one that make a big impression on me was an interview with Paul Simon, who called his S&G classic "I Am A Rock" his most selfish and indulgent song.
For myself and millions of other alienated youngsters it was an anthem.
I took it as a warning. That I could not be an island, because that was no way to live. Great song.
| 949 |
jvic Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:03:35pm |
I'm just passing through, looking for investigative material about Michele Bachmann, but can't resist making a couple of comments.
re: #832 Shiplord Kirel
Cornell...was the longtime home of a certain professor Carl Sagan.
With respect, SK, afaic going from Professor Hans Bethe to Carl Sagan is, to put it very mildly indeed, not an improvement.
*** *** ***
Most of the change we think we see in life
Is due to truths being in and out of favor.
Hopefully Frost is correct, but I fear that much of the change is due to different errors moving in and out of favor. As ignorant armies clash by night, one of the other stumbles into an advantage. I'd be delighted to have history prove me wrong. Perhaps my mood has been colored by the distasteful choice between "compassionate conservatism" and hopenchange.
| 950 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:03:47pm |
re: #943 MandyManners
I wanted to ask *you* a question about the culture of that region.
GOTCHA!! Reine will give you my phone # if you can contact her outside of here.
| 951 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:04:10pm |
re: #942 CapeCoddah
If you turn the words DOT into . you have a way to contact me. It may be cheaper for me to send the package than the fish store, I dont charge extra!
Goodness gracious. I did my best. It goes back to a cook-book issue so maybe Reine would be a good conduit.
| 952 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:04:45pm |
re: #940 Cato the Elder
NB: No CFOs, CPAs, MBAs, COOs, or SEOs need apply. Cato the Elder Institute seeks only qualified applicants with real-world experience. Jazz guitarists welcome.
Which reminds me. Has there been any news on the blogger consortium (or whatever I should call it) that CJ and Barret Brown are founding? .
Anyone know? Sooo looking forward to that.
| 953 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:05:26pm |
re: #934 reine.de.tout
thanks.... but I don't think that will ever kick in.... glad to know it's there... but, I will leave that benefit for others....
(as I'd said.... I am a lucky guy!)
| 954 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:05:28pm |
re: #950 CapeCoddah
GOTCHA!! Reine will give you my phone # if you can contact her outside of here.
That's IT!
| 955 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:05:43pm |
re: #948 Dark_Falcon
I took it as a warning. That I could not be an island, because that was no way to live. Great song.
I took it with a grain...not exactly Dick Wagner at the time (not a big fan) after all it only took Simon 40yrs to make a great record
| 956 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:06:11pm |
re: #944 Spare O'Lake
Only the good die young.
But did Castro have to demonstrate the inverse of that so THOROUGHLY?
Apropos of nothing: There's a series of mystery novels, featuring a Cuban-American PI in Miami, from a well-to-do exile family. Lupe's dad keeps his late wife's ashes on his cabin cruiser, which is kept fully stocked and ready to go at any moment. The same day he hears Castro is dead he plans to put his daughters on board and sail to Havana.
There are a lot of people who have a similar dream, if not a cabin cruiser.
Why is this TAKING so damn long?
| 957 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:06:23pm |
re: #951 MandyManners
Goodness gracious. I did my best. It goes back to a cook-book issue so maybe Reine would be a good conduit.
Sorry!! I sent Reine a FB message... REINE!! Are you there?
| 958 |
Bagua Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:06:27pm |
re: #923 albusteve
some of them play some not...about 50/50? for me?...but the audio is excellent...I'm still a tube geek
RL has a bit of a different take here eh?
Yep, the ol' man had his own way with the classics.
Tricky getting a reliable mp3 host that's not blocked. The music quality is better and the file smaller without the youtube video, IINM.
Low Down Shame
- Big Joe Williams
| 959 |
bratwurst Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:06:38pm |
re: #947 Thanos
I like their music but never dug that weird Nazi vibe... was never sure if it was put on or real...
Was actually a tribute to Charlie Chaplin, but the buzz the small mustache created caused more ink to be spilled about them than similar bands of the era. Ron (who now goes pencil thin) even wrote a song about it.
| 960 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:06:50pm |
contagious
| 961 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:07:09pm |
re: #933 Van Helsing
I dunno. There's a lot of baby boomers that are NOT going to be pleased with any reduction in benefits or increased tax on their benefits or diddling around with means testing...
Then again, I never thought that something as twisted as the current (more or less) health
careinsurance reform bill would ever come about.
Oh, I don't mean that fixing it would be popular. Obviously not, since it didn't get fixed. I just mean that now it's conceivable, if only just.
| 962 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:07:14pm |
re: #866 SanFranciscoZionist
Many policies now permit people to keep children on their policies until they are 22 or 23, so the age of majority isn't all that relevant to the discussion.
Sure, they're adults. My husband is an adult, and he's covered on my policy. Anyone want to cry and scream about how the taxpayers are being burdened by that, and how irresponsible we are?
I understand and actually I'm covered under my wife's policy at work. Seriously, there are grey areas and I think that is understood. My comments were along the lines of the health care bill and some comments earlier about how difficult it is and someone else should be responsible for it. My comment about the braces was that that was a huge financial hit that wasn't covered under any insurance. We had to suck it up and make it work.
| 963 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:07:24pm |
re: #939 lostlakehiker
I don't know about you, but in the last 10 years, I've seen everything go steadily upward while my salary hasn't caught up. Mostly the big ticket items, homes, cars and insurance, particularly home insurance. Appliances? Oh hell ya. Food, electricity, gas, water, all of it. The only thing that has gotten significantly cheaper is clothing. We may have a better life, but we sure as hell pay for it.
| 964 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:07:53pm |
so Fidel dies...then what?...is something big gonna happen?
| 965 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:07:54pm |
re: #959 bratwurst
It's not just the mustache... there are also symbols in some vids, but I'm not sure that's not just them jackin with people over the fuss...
| 966 |
Varek Raith Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:08:12pm |
| 967 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:08:13pm |
re: #963 marjoriemoon
On the other hand, the price of houses has dropped significantly...
| 968 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:09:03pm |
re: #963 marjoriemoon
I don't know about you, but in the last 10 years, I've seen everything go steadily upward while my salary hasn't caught up. Mostly the big ticket items, homes, cars and insurance, particularly home insurance. Appliances? Oh hell ya. Food, electricity, gas, water, all of it. The only thing that has gotten significantly cheaper is clothing. We may have a better life, but we sure as hell pay for it.
don't worry, just a few more taxes & it will all be OK.
| 969 |
bratwurst Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:09:13pm |
re: #965 Thanos
It's not just the mustache... there are also symbols in some vids, but I'm not sure that's not just them jackin with people over the fuss...
As a Sparks superfan, I must respectfully disagree that they ever displayed Nazi symbols.
| 970 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:09:25pm |
re: #962 Unakite
I understand and actually I'm covered under my wife's policy at work. Seriously, there are grey areas and I think that is understood. My comments were along the lines of the health care bill and some comments earlier about how difficult it is and someone else should be responsible for it. My comment about the braces was that that was a huge financial hit that wasn't covered under any insurance. We had to suck it up and make it work.
OK. If there were comments about someone else being responsible, I missed those. My understanding is that this is just a way to be able to pay for your kids some longer if you need to.
And yeah, orthodontia is one of those things that can just ruin your budget for a decade. I teach high school--have a lot of discussions with parents about the braces situation.
| 971 |
Bagua Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:09:37pm |
| 972 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:09:55pm |
re: #964 albusteve
so Fidel dies...then what?...is something big gonna happen?
/Janet Reno takes over!
| 973 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:09:59pm |
re: #949 jvic
I'm just passing through, looking for investigative material about Michele Bachmann
Hey jvic! What are you looking for on Bachmann? I might have some other info for you.
| 974 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:10:12pm |
re: #964 albusteve
so Fidel dies...then what?...is something big gonna happen?
Yes. There is gonna be a block party in Miami the likes of which the world has not seen previously, nor will it see again. And the Versailles Restaurant is going to run out of champagne.
| 975 |
Van Helsing Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:10:20pm |
re: #956 SanFranciscoZionist
But did Castro have to demonstrate the inverse of that so THOROUGHLY?
Apropos of nothing: There's a series of mystery novels, featuring a Cuban-American PI in Miami, from a well-to-do exile family. Lupe's dad keeps his late wife's ashes on his cabin cruiser, which is kept fully stocked and ready to go at any moment. The same day he hears Castro is dead he plans to put his daughters on board and sail to Havana.
There are a lot of people who have a similar dream, if not a cabin cruiser.
Why is this TAKING so damn long?
Any bets on whether Castro gets the V. I. Lenin treatment?
If so, how long will he be on display?
| 976 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:10:34pm |
re: #956 SanFranciscoZionist
But did Castro have to demonstrate the inverse of that so THOROUGHLY?
Apropos of nothing: There's a series of mystery novels, featuring a Cuban-American PI in Miami, from a well-to-do exile family. Lupe's dad keeps his late wife's ashes on his cabin cruiser, which is kept fully stocked and ready to go at any moment. The same day he hears Castro is dead he plans to put his daughters on board and sail to Havana.
There are a lot of people who have a similar dream, if not a cabin cruiser.
Why is this TAKING so damn long?
There's was always a lot of hubbub about that. Mostly older Cubans kept champagne in the fridge for that Big Day. Still do, but the middle age folks, not so much. And they wouldn't go back either. That doesn't mean they'd wouldn't be thrilled about it, just that they have their lives here and there's nothing in Cuba now.
| 977 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:10:41pm |
Lots of good music posted on this thread. I can't keep up. A few assholes posting lots of comments though. Balances out, I guess.
| 978 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:10:49pm |
re: #969 bratwurst
As a Sparks superfan, I must respectfully disagree that they ever displayed Nazi symbols.
It's the vid with the Ferris wheel? Can't recall the song name
saw someone complaining about it. Do you know the song name? We can watch together to see if it's deserved controversy or not
| 979 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:10:49pm |
re: #958 Bagua
Yep, the ol' man had his own way with the classics.
Tricky getting a reliable mp3 host that's not blocked. The music quality is better and the file smaller without the youtube video, IINM.
Low Down Shame[Video]
- Big Joe Williams
now that guy was an innovative genius
| 980 |
jaunte Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:11:31pm |
re: #975 Van Helsing
Any bets on whether Castro gets the V. I. Lenin treatment?
If so, how long will he be on display?
I bet not, in the tropics.
| 981 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:11:44pm |
re: #948 Dark_Falcon
I took it as a warning. That I could not be an island, because that was no way to live. Great song.
Absolutely. I was surprised and pissed off when Simon said that.
A rock feels no pain,
And an island never cries.
| 982 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:11:47pm |
re: #939 lostlakehiker
Working to take square footage and $/square foot (both outright and total financed cost in constant dollars )into consideration; denominating all prices in current dollars helps to get around the peculiarities of inflation and the overall effect that might have.
True enough houses are better - more energy efficient, more comfortable, overall larger - for all that, though, the % expended on them is more or less out of all whack versus historical rates. Preliminary data seem to suggest that the current multiple of annual income represented by the median purchase price of new residential construction is pushing 4.5 to 5; thus far, only one year has had a similar multiple of median income to purchase price; looking at current dollars financed as a multiple of current dollars median income (for all families, BTW; figure its best to include everyone) might show something interesting.
The other expenses referenced (automobile, gasoline, groceries, utilities) should be factored in as well; this damned spreadsheet will probably extend into 8-dimensional space by the time I'm done with it.
*Sigh* My wife HATES my hobbies.
"that is, without a doubt, the most boring thing I've ever heard you explain, and I've had to sit through a lot with you, so that's saying something. People get paid top f*cking dollar to do this kinda work because it's unpleasant and tedious, and here you are, doing it for free."
| 983 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:11:58pm |
re: #964 albusteve
so Fidel dies...then what?...is something big gonna happen?
Then we wait for his brother Raul to die, and then maybe the regime will fall.
| 984 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:12:00pm |
People Get Ready, Curtis Mayfield:
| 985 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:12:03pm |
| 986 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:12:04pm |
The Spurs just put a fucking beatdown on the Golden State Warriors. Where is Hoops, I need to rub this in. Helloooooo?
| 987 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:12:31pm |
| 988 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:12:42pm |
re: #975 Van Helsing
Any bets on whether Castro gets the V. I. Lenin treatment?
If so, how long will he be on display?
No idea. I suppose it depends on what the popular sentiment is, and how threatened Raul feels by the new situation.
Personally, I'm opposed to doing taxidermy with national leaders.
| 989 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:12:52pm |
re: #967 cliffster
On the other hand, the price of houses has dropped significantly...
In the last few years, yes, that's true, but still no where near where they were before the big KA-BOOM.
| 990 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:12:59pm |
re: #971 Bagua
Pirate's treasure!
| 991 |
bratwurst Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:13:20pm |
re: #978 Thanos
Hmmmm...not sure which video you mean here...lemme see what I can dig up.
| 992 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:13:47pm |
re: #968 brookly red
don't worry, just a few more taxes & it will all be OK.
Maybe not a bad idea? Seeing as who was running the country since 2000 :>
| 993 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:13:55pm |
re: #971 Bagua
Dust My Broom[Video]
- Kieth Richards & The Faces
heh...just played that!...Kieth was relentless back then, studying and playing the old masters
| 994 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:14:35pm |
re: #988 SanFranciscoZionist
No idea. I suppose it depends on what the popular sentiment is, and how threatened Raul feels by the new situation.
Personally, I'm opposed to doing taxidermy with national leaders.
Look when I said Pelosie should stuff it I did not have taxidermy in mind...
| 995 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:14:45pm |
re: #974 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes. There is gonna be a block party in Miami the likes of which the world has not seen previously, nor will it see again. And the Versailles Restaurant is going to run out of champagne.
Girl, tell me you've eaten at Versailles.
| 996 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:14:52pm |
re: #989 marjoriemoon
In the last few years, yes, that's true, but still no where near where they were before the big KA-BOOM.
hehe, true. And it'll all go back up again. There's too many people selling get-rich-on-real-estate CD collections for it to stay down forever.
| 997 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:15:02pm |
| 998 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:15:03pm |
re: #974 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes. There is gonna be a block party in Miami the likes of which the world has not seen previously, nor will it see again. And the Versailles Restaurant is going to run out of champagne.
okay...I avoid S Florida like the plague, but let 'em rock
| 999 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:15:10pm |
re: #981 Spare O'Lake
Absolutely. I was surprised and pissed off when Simon said that.
A rock feels no pain,
And an island never cries.
Did he explain why he said it?
| 1000 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:15:13pm |
Evening all. Regarding Castro, the question shouldn't be what are they gonna do with him. It should be how many Hollywood douches are gonna attend the funeral and speak of his greatness.
| 1001 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:15:38pm |
re: #975 Van Helsing
Any bets on whether Castro gets the V. I. Lenin treatment?
If so, how long will he be on display?
Actually since Raul has "taken over", I don't suspect much will be changing.
| 1002 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:16:19pm |
re: #981 Spare O'Lake
Absolutely. I was surprised and pissed off when Simon said that.
A rock feels no pain,
And an island never cries.
Paul Simon is a pretentious writer...thinks he's Dylan
| 1003 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:16:37pm |
re: #992 marjoriemoon
Maybe not a bad idea? Seeing as who was running the country since 2000 :>
'we shouted out who killed the Kennedy's , when after all it was you and me"...
| 1004 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:16:50pm |
re: #975 Van Helsing
Any bets on whether Castro gets the V. I. Lenin treatment?
If so, how long will he be on display?
Castro already looks like he has been dead longer than Lenin.
| 1005 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:17:13pm |
re: #995 marjoriemoon
Girl, tell me you've eaten at Versailles.
No, but I've read a lot of novels.
And I saw it in the newspapers, because Code Pink made the very bad decision to protest in front of it.
There were pissed-off middle-aged Cubans involved. I am sort of surprised all the Code Pinkers escaped in one piece.
| 1006 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:17:16pm |
I wonder if OBL and Castro are hanging out in purgatory, laughing with each other about everyone thinking they're still alive?
| 1007 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:17:25pm |
re: #983 The Sanity Inspector
Viva la Interval?
| 1008 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:17:43pm |
re: #1000 Cannadian Club Akbar
Evening all. Regarding Castro, the question shouldn't be what are they gonna do with him. It should be how many Hollywood douches are gonna attend the funeral and speak of his greatness.
Sadly, that is probably true.
| 1009 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:17:54pm |
re: #956 SanFranciscoZionist
But did Castro have to demonstrate the inverse of that so THOROUGHLY?
Apropos of nothing: There's a series of mystery novels, featuring a Cuban-American PI in Miami, from a well-to-do exile family. Lupe's dad keeps his late wife's ashes on his cabin cruiser, which is kept fully stocked and ready to go at any moment. The same day he hears Castro is dead he plans to put his daughters on board and sail to Havana.
There are a lot of people who have a similar dream, if not a cabin cruiser.
Why is this TAKING so damn long?
Perhaps because every American administration since JFK figured the way to win hearts and minds on that island was to deny them any and all legal trade, family visits, spare parts for their 1953 Studebakers, visas, bank accounts and work permits? Leaving the only escape valve to be rusty boats, cobbled-together rafts and swimming? And then you only get asylum if your feet touch dry sand?
That's the way to kill a dictator! Smother him in popular affection because the Big Guy in El Norte won't even extend a hand to you.
And then act all surprised and chagrined when it takes the dictator longer to die than Methuselah, because he gets to smoke actual Havanas instead of the Dominican shite the rest of us have to choke on.
Zum kotzen.
| 1010 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:18:16pm |
re: #1001 marjoriemoon
Actually since Raul has "taken over", I don't suspect much will be changing.
I'm wondering if Fidel's death will create some leverage for the U.S. I'm not totally sure how, but it feels like it could be a wedge moment.
| 1011 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:18:17pm |
re: #989 marjoriemoon
In the last few years, yes, that's true, but still no where near where they were before the big KA-BOOM.
re: #996 cliffster
hehe, true. And it'll all go back up again. There's too many people selling get-rich-on-real-estate CD collections for it to stay down forever.
I tell you what (lapsing into hank hill mode for the nonce), when I bought our house, it was 3X annual income, outright.
F*cking thing was 5X my annual income (which went up at a rate better than inflation every year) when I sold it. That whole tulip-mania thing ain't yet worked itself outta our system.
| 1013 |
wee fury Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:18:39pm |
| 1014 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:18:49pm |
re: #1003 brookly red
'we shouted out who killed the Kennedy's , when after all it was you and me"...
uh oh...here we go...
| 1015 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:18:57pm |
re: #1005 SanFranciscoZionist
No, but I've read a lot of novels.
And I saw it in the newspapers, because Code Pink made the very bad decision to protest in front of it.
There were pissed-off middle-aged Cubans involved. I am sort of surprised all the Code Pinkers escaped in one piece.
What were the protesting about? I missed that one. I avoid 8th street whenever possible.
| 1016 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:19:08pm |
re: #1002 albusteve
Paul Simon is a pretentious writer...thinks he's Dylan
Thanks for this opportunity to point out the objective, irrefutable truth that Bob Dylan is the single most overrated bundle of boredom ever marketed to Teenage America.
| 1017 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:19:17pm |
re: #1006 cliffster
I wonder if OBL and Castro are hanging out in purgatory, laughing with each other about everyone thinking they're still alive?
Don't forget Kim Jong Il
| 1019 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:19:44pm |
re: #1000 Cannadian Club Akbar
Evening all. Regarding Castro, the question shouldn't be what are they gonna do with him. It should be how many Hollywood douches are gonna attend the funeral and speak of his greatness.
Extra dings if you can name them! Sean Penn, Danny Glover...
| 1020 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:19:51pm |
| 1021 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:19:58pm |
They have gun control in Cuba. They have universal health care in Cuba. So why do they want to come here?
-- Paul Harvey
| 1022 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:20:09pm |
re: #1003 brookly red
'we shouted out who killed the Kennedy's , when after all it was you and me"...
Pleased to meet you, Hope you guessed my name...
| 1023 |
MandyManners Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:20:14pm |
| 1024 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:20:26pm |
| 1026 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:20:36pm |
re: #1019 marjoriemoon
Extra dings if you can name them! Sean Penn, Danny Glover...
Spielberg, Stone, Barbra Walters...
| 1027 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:20:40pm |
re: #1010 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm wondering if Fidel's death will create some leverage for the U.S. I'm not totally sure how, but it feels like it could be a wedge moment.
The problem with that is we will have no one in power with the balls to or interested in using that wedge.
| 1028 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:20:50pm |
re: #1022 Dark_Falcon
Pleased to meet you, Hope you guessed my name...
[Video]
To my mind, the grand master work of rock.
| 1029 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:21:52pm |
re: #991 bratwurst
Hmmm...not sure which video you mean here...lemme see what I can dig up.
Number One Song in Heaven, Sieg Runes (the lightning bolt symbols) Triskele on the ticket...
| 1030 |
jvic Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:21:54pm |
Hi, Ice. Hope you're well.
I'm interacting with somebody who rattled off a bunch of people who are supposedly the GOP's future. Most of them are names I respect with the conspicuous exception of Bachmann.
I found Charles' film clip of Bachmann describing how God told her to run for Congress, but if you have any other material I'll certainly look at it.
*** *** ***
I have trouble putting it into words, but my sense is that an over-reliance on spiritual experience is much of what ails the religious right. I've seen perfectly intelligent religious bloggers, when they experience blowback from bad decisions, conclude that God is testing them and continue full speed ahead toward the rocks. Given that Bush was pretty much a washout until his conversion experience at 40, I conjecture that this explains much of the failure of his Presidency.
| 1031 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:21:55pm |
re: #1024 brookly red
pleased to meet you...
I was round in St Petersberg
When I saw it was time for a change.
Killed the Czar and his ministers,
Anastasia screamed in vain.
| 1032 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:22:01pm |
re: #1015 marjoriemoon
What were the protesting about? I missed that one. I avoid 8th street whenever possible.
Actually, I can link to LGF on this one.
Briefly, they wanted Luis Posada Carriles put on the FBI's Most Wanted list.
| 1033 |
Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:22:02pm |
EMBARRASSING MEDICAL EXAMS
1. A man comes into the ER and yells . . .'My wife's going to have her baby in the cab.' I grabbed my stuff, rushed out to the cab, lifted the lady's dress and began to take off her underwear. Suddenly I noticed that there were several cabs - - - and I was in the wrong one.
Submitted by Dr. Mark MacDonald,
San Francisco
2. At the beginning of my shift I placed a stethoscope on an elderly and slightly deaf female patient's anterior chest wall.
'Big breaths,'. . . I instructed. 'Yes, they used to be,'. . .replied the patient.
Submitted by Dr. Richard Byrnes,
Seattle , WA
3. One day I had to be the bearer of bad news when I told a wife that her husband had died of a massive myocardial infarct.
Not more than five minutes later, I heard her reporting to the rest of the family that he had died of a 'massive internal fart.'
Submitted by Dr. Susan Steinberg
4. During a patient's two week follow-up appointment with his cardiologist, he informed me, his doctor, that he was having trouble with one of his medications.. ' Which one ?'. ... . I asked. 'The patch... The Nurse told me to put on a new one every six hours and now I'm running out of places to put it !' I had him quickly undress and discovered what I hoped I wouldn't see.
Yes, the man had over fifty patches on his body!
Now, the instructions include removal of the old patch before applying a new one.
Submitted by Dr. Rebecca St. Clair,
Norfolk , VA
5. While acquainting myself with a new elderly patient, I asked, 'How long have you been bedridden?' After a look of complete confusion she answered . .. . ' Why, not for about twenty years - when my husband was alive.'
Submitted by Dr. Steven Swanson-
Corvallis , OR
6. I was performing rounds at the hospital one morning and while checking up on a man I asked . . .' So how's your breakfast this morning?' ' It's very good except for the Kentucky Jelly. I can't seem to get used to the taste.'. . . Bob replied. I then asked to see the jelly and Bob produced a foil packet labeled 'KY Jelly.'
Submitted by Dr. Leonard Kransdorf,
Detroit
7. A nurse was on duty in the Emergency Room when a young woman with purple hair styled into a punk rocker Mohawk, sporting a variety of tattoos, and wearing strange clothing, entered .. .... .It was quickly determined that the patient had acute appendicitis, so she was scheduled for immediate surgery.. When she was completely disrobed on the operating table, the staff noticed that her pubic hair had been dyed green and above it there was a tattoo that read .. . .' Keep off the grass.'
Once the surgery was completed, the surgeon wrote a short note on the patient's dressing, which said 'Sorry . ... . had to mow the lawn.'
Submitted by RN no name
AND FINALLY!! ! . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . .
8... As a new, young MD doing his residency in OB I was quite embarrassed when performing female pelvic exams... To cover my embarrassment I had unconsciously formed a habit of whistling softly. The middle-aged lady upon whom I was performing this exam suddenly burst out laughing and further embarrassing me. I looked up from my work and sheepishly said... . .' I'm sorry. Was I tickling you?' She replied with tears running down her cheeks from laughing so hard . . .
' No doctor but the song you were whistling was ' I wish I was an Oscar Meyer Wiener.' '
Dr.. wouldn't submit his name
| 1034 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:22:34pm |
re: #1010 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm wondering if Fidel's death will create some leverage for the U.S. I'm not totally sure how, but it feels like it could be a wedge moment.
I don't know. In terms of having a partner to negotiate? No way. In fact, they say Raul was more ruthless than Fidel during the revolution. The way these things go, if they want change, they have to start another revolution and with the black market thriving in Cuba, I don't hold out high hopes for that either.
| 1035 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:22:39pm |
re: #1016 negativ
Thanks for this opportunity to point out the objective, irrefutable truth that Bob Dylan is the single most overrated bundle of boredom ever marketed to Teenage America.
sorry you were dropped on your head as a baby
| 1036 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:23:02pm |
re: #1032 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, I can link to LGF on this one.
Briefly, they wanted Luis Posada Carriles put on the FBI's Most Wanted list.
You're a Miamian?
| 1037 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:23:09pm |
| 1038 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:23:12pm |
re: #1028 Guanxi88
To my mind, the grand master work of rock.
This a different concert vid than the one I've used previously. Albusteve, I'm interested in hearing what you think of this version of the song.
| 1039 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:23:43pm |
re: #1031 Guanxi88
I was round in St Petersberg
When I saw it was time for a change.
Killed the Czar and his ministers,
Anastasia screamed in vain.
/hush now child, they haven't voted yet...
| 1040 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:24:37pm |
re: #970 SanFranciscoZionist
OK. If there were comments about someone else being responsible, I missed those. My understanding is that this is just a way to be able to pay for your kids some longer if you need to.
And yeah, orthodontia is one of those things that can just ruin your budget for a decade. I teach high school--have a lot of discussions with parents about the braces situation.
Heh, guess what? My nine-year old went to the dentist a couple of weeks ago and they said his teeth were crowded.
Responding (respectfully) to your post but directed at everyone who thinks everything should be paid for by someone else. Who would like to help pay for my son's braces??
| 1041 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:24:46pm |
re: #1010 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm wondering if Fidel's death will create some leverage for the U.S. I'm not totally sure how, but it feels like it could be a wedge moment.
How much oil is there underneath Cuba? Cigars are cool and all, but...
| 1042 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:24:50pm |
re: #1039 brookly red
/hush now child, they haven't voted yet...
Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon
Go to the candidates' debate.
Laugh about it, shout about
When you've got to choose.
Every way you look at it you lose.
Where have you gone, Joe Dimaggio?
| 1044 |
Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:25:01pm |
| 1045 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:25:11pm |
re: #1011 Guanxi88
I tell you what (lapsing into hank hill mode for the nonce), when I bought our house, it was 3X annual income, outright.
F*cking thing was 5X my annual income (which went up at a rate better than inflation every year) when I sold it. That whole tulip-mania thing ain't yet worked itself outta our system.
heh We were lucky. Bought right before the market went up. We also own an old home 1949. Good for hurricanes, but replaced damn near everything. Even still, it was manageable bit by bit.
| 1046 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:25:14pm |
| 1047 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:25:23pm |
re: #1041 cliffster
How much oil is there underneath Cuba? Cigars are cool and all, but...
Plenty in the Gulf of Mexico.
| 1048 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:25:36pm |
| 1049 |
bratwurst Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:25:53pm |
re: #978 Thanos
It's the vid with the Ferris wheel? Can't recall the song name
saw someone complaining about it. Do you know the song name? We can watch together to see if it's deserved controversy or not
Can't come up with a Sparks video with a ferris wheel...but they have been the subject of many an urban legend and they certainly did nothing to discourage these things. They were once reputed to be the sons of Dorris Day!
| 1050 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:26:24pm |
re: #1030 jvic
Hey jvic! I agree with you. It's something I find hard to put into words but I think you did a good job there at getting at it.
I have loads of Bachmann material. I'll be back with lots of links-- hope you're well too! BRB
| 1052 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:26:58pm |
re: #1016 negativ
Thanks for this opportunity to point out the objective, irrefutable truth that Bob Dylan is the single most overrated bundle of boredom ever marketed to Teenage America.
Thanks for this opportunity to smack you upside the head with the objective, irrefutable truth that Bob Dylan is the greatest singer-poet of his or most other generations, with a song catalogue you could choke a buffalo with, a vast and irreplaceable knowledge of American music, a Biblical repertoire that James Joyce would envy, a heart as bit as the Ritz, a mind as wide as the Mississippi, a repertoire as deep as the Mariana Trench, and the best up-down note ever blown on a blues harp.
And if he was good enough for Johnny Cash, he's good enough for anyone but you.
Suck on this:
| 1053 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:28:00pm |
| 1054 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:28:19pm |
| 1055 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:28:56pm |
re: #1032 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, I can link to LGF on this one.
Briefly, they wanted Luis Posada Carriles put on the FBI's Most Wanted list.
Wow. I liked this bit, "Carriles supporters sprinted through surrounding streets looking for Benjamin’s truck while bystanders shouted “prostitutes” at her group."
Um... that would be "putas". lol
| 1056 |
Bagua Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:29:09pm |
re: #979 albusteve
now that guy was an innovative genius
Played a Harmony Sovereign, strung with piano wire and with extra strings he added by his own design. No one wanted to borrow his guitar he explained. He doubled the first, second and fourth string as on a 12-string
I happen to own one being a major fan. $100 at Guitar Center about a decade ago.
| 1057 |
van helsing Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:29:19pm |
re: #1031 Guanxi88
I was round in St Petersberg
When I saw it was time for a change.
Killed the Czar and his ministers,
Anastasia screamed in vain.
I watched with glee
While your Kings and Queens
Fought for ten decades
for the gods they made
| 1058 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:29:23pm |
re: #1048 Dark_Falcon
He counts as two guests, though.
I am sorry Sir, you can't bring that in here...
| 1059 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:29:36pm |
re: #1038 Dark_Falcon
This a different concert vid than the one I've used previously. Albusteve, I'm interested in hearing what you think of this version of the song.
I don't like Leavell's piano intro...but he's their musical director...I'm severely into the percussion and it gets lost in the mix...that's cool....there are literally dozens of choices....none are as good as the studio version, sorta unusual but in this case, I haven't heard it yet....besides that, it's one of the greatest R/R songs ever
| 1061 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:30:02pm |
re: #1054 Cannadian Club Akbar
and, I saw on Drudge this week somewhere..... that the Russkis will be drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico....
(and when they fuck up..... who will clean up Galveston?)
/no that they would.....
| 1062 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:30:12pm |
re: #1049 bratwurst
Can't come up with a Sparks video with a ferris wheel...but they have been the subject of many an urban legend and they certainly did nothing to discourage these things. They were once reputed to be the sons of Dorris Day!
Found it, it's above. I can see where they got "sieg runes in it" but the triskele they talked about is just the ferris wheel.
| 1063 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:30:18pm |
| 1064 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:30:28pm |
re: #1030 jvic
I have trouble putting it into words, but my sense is that an over-reliance on
spiritual experiencea vastly inflated sense of self-importance and/or self-righteousness is much of what ails the religious right.
See, when an idea comes to you from God, it means two things:
1) You are TOTALLY on God's radar, and He has Plans For You. Therefore, your will is God's will. This is arguably the most egregiously narcissistic idea that the human brain can form.
2) Anyone who would attempt to argue you away from your idea is by definition opposing the will of God, seeing as you are the chosen hand of the creator of the universe. They are your enemy, which by definition makes them the enemy of God.
| 1065 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:30:51pm |
re: #1061 WindHorse
and, I saw on Drudge this week somewhere... that the Russkis will be drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico...
(and when they fuck up... who will clean up Galveston?)
/no that they would...
China also has contracts to drill not to far from Key West.
| 1066 |
Aye Pod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:31:14pm |
re: #1049 bratwurst
Can't come up with a Sparks video with a ferris wheel...but they have been the subject of many an urban legend and they certainly did nothing to discourage these things. They were once reputed to be the sons of Dorris Day!
| 1067 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:31:42pm |
| 1068 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:31:48pm |
re: #1052 Cato the Elder
One of my profs at my Alma Mater, Dr. Christopher Ricks, on Mr. Dylan:
"I think Dylan is an astonishingly generous artist who is condescended to when people say it's very clever of me to find all these things in his work." Ricks's "cleverness" can irritate some readers but the critic and academic Martin Dodsworth, a university contemporary, says his weakness for puns is part of what makes him such a vivid and powerful critic. "He thinks through the power of a word and its place in society. He has written very well on 'prejudice' in the Eliot book and has written very interestingly about lying. He is not just interested in literature, but also in the way words do things in the world."
| 1069 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:31:59pm |
Per my niece these guys are the naz (of course she would never say "the naz")
| 1070 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:32:08pm |
re: #1056 Bagua
Played a Harmony Sovereign, strung with piano wire and with extra strings he added by his own design. No one wanted to borrow his guitar he explained. He doubled the first, second and fourth string as on a 12-string
I happen to own one being a major fan. $100 at Guitar Center about a decade ago.
yes, nice catch...his legendary 9 string guitar
| 1071 |
jvic Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:32:32pm |
re: #1050 iceweasel
I have loads of Bachmann material. I'll be back with lots of links-- hope you're well too! BRB
Thanks, Ice. I'm logging out for the moment but I'll check the thread later.
| 1072 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:32:35pm |
re: #1065 Cannadian Club Akbar
yeah.... and I remember reading (but am not going to back this up with a link at this point) that the Chinese are into lateral drilling... ie. sideways to "get to" the oil....
/oh - would that be "our" oil??
| 1073 |
van helsing Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:32:38pm |
re: #1065 Cannadian Club Akbar
China also has contracts to drill not to far from Key West.
Pretty much anyone but the US.
| 1074 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:32:39pm |
re: #1002 albusteve
Paul Simon is a pretentious writer...thinks he's Dylan
For sure. Dylan was only 1000 times as cool as Simon, but they both exhibited egos the size of the Empire State Building.
On Simon's side of the ledger, he could sing and play Dylan by a mile, and of course he had Garfunkel.
Both are great geniuses.
| 1076 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:33:07pm |
Bachmann material:
the Census will lead to internment camps!
Bachmann Introducing Bill to Ban Use of Made-Up Global Currency
She also says loads of crazy shit about how passing HCR on a sunday is an affront to god.
More coming up.
| 1078 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:33:21pm |
re: #1059 albusteve
Please see my defense of Dylan above.
| 1079 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:34:06pm |
re: #1052 Cato the Elder
Maybe he just needs to be eased into the catalog, if the real stuff is off-putting. This is one of my favorite covers of a Dylan song:
| 1080 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:34:15pm |
OK, I know it's getting late and this is old, but this is one of my favorites:
| 1081 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:34:16pm |
re: #1059 albusteve
I don't like Leavell's piano intro...but he's their musical director...I'm severely into the percussion and it gets lost in the mix...that's cool...there are literally dozens of choices...none are as good as the studio version, sorta unusual but in this case, I haven't heard it yet...besides that, it's one of the greatest R/R songs ever
Agreed about the song itself. Thanks for taking a listen. I know you're a fan, so when I see a Stones song done a different way, I may still sometimes post it for you.
| 1082 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:34:18pm |
re: #1076 iceweasel
I got my census form today. What is the proper attire for an internment camp? I got some beige short.
///
| 1084 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:35:01pm |
re: #1065 Cannadian Club Akbar
China also has contracts to drill not to far from Key West.
and a canal to bring it through...
Thanks you Dems.
| 1085 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:36:11pm |
re: #1052 Cato the Elder
Bob Dylan the great
Get sick, get well
Hang around an ink well
Ring bell, hard to tell
If anything is goin' to sell
Try hard, get barred
Get back, write Braille
Get jailed, jump bail
Join the army, if you failed
It doesn't get any better than that
| 1086 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:36:16pm |
re: #1079 The Sanity Inspector
Maybe he just needs to be eased into the catalog, if the real stuff is off-putting.
People who can't take Dylan straight make me puke. Like folks who put water in single malt.
| 1087 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:36:27pm |
re: #1063 marjoriemoon
Ya think? Does she have experience in placating the enemy?
Lest we forget, even after the so sad breakup, Sarandon/Robbins
//
| 1088 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:36:31pm |
re: #1078 Cato the Elder
Please see my defense of Dylan above.
I did, have at 'em...just another metal head that never made it down the Highway
| 1089 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:37:17pm |
re: #1076 iceweasel
Bachmann material:
the Census will lead to internment camps!
[Video]Bachmann Introducing Bill to Ban Use of Made-Up Global Currency
She also says loads of crazy shit about how passing HCR on a sunday is an affront to god.
More coming up.
I swear, that woman is a never-ending sprinkler system of Bad Craziness. I actually hope that a Dem unseats her this year. Because I'd rather have a sane liberal in that seat than the current lunatic.
| 1090 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:37:22pm |
re: #1083 Jimmah
Before I start cheering, it sounds pretty groovy. Is there any "Death to America" in there??
| 1091 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:37:45pm |
re: #1040 Unakite
Heh, guess what? My nine-year old went to the dentist a couple of weeks ago and they said his teeth were crowded.
Responding (respectfully) to your post but directed at everyone who thinks everything should be paid for by someone else. Who would like to help pay for my son's braces??
Your nine year old is not going to die if he doesn't get braces. "Not paying for them at all" is an option.
If your nine year old had Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma, and you were looking at a minimum of 20 rounds of treatments at something like $7500 a pop, not even beginning to count hospital fees, how would your opinion be different?
| 1092 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:37:51pm |
re: #1052 Cato the Elder
Thanks for this opportunity to smack you upside the head with the objective, irrefutable truth that Bob Dylan is the greatest singer-poet of his or most other generations, with a song catalogue you could choke a buffalo with, a vast and irreplaceable knowledge of American music, a Biblical repertoire that James Joyce would envy, a heart as bit as the Ritz, a mind as wide as the Mississippi, a repertoire as deep as the Mariana Trench, and the best up-down note ever blown on a blues harp.
And if he was good enough for Johnny Cash, he's good enough for anyone but you.
Suck on this:
[Video]
I love the early Dylan material best.
He never clould sing worth a shit, though.
| 1093 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:37:52pm |
re: #1086 Cato the Elder
People who can't take Dylan straight make me puke. Like folks who put water in single malt.
water in single malt!? no jury would convict you.
| 1095 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:37:59pm |
re: #1063 marjoriemoon
Ya think? Does she have experience in placating the enemy?
OH, placating the enemy... Jane Fonda can help with that!
| 1096 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:38:01pm |
| 1097 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:38:12pm |
re: #1085 cliffster
Bob Dylan the great
It doesn't get any better than that
Gates of Eden, it's pretty good:
Aw, hell, it's all great stuff. The worst POS he ever cranked out beats the best efforts of damned near anyone else. Perhaps greatest living poet in the English language.
| 1098 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:38:44pm |
A friend of my brother grew up with Bobby Zimmerman up in the Northern climes of Minnesota.....
I liked the story of "Little Bobby" at a certain point in his life telling everyone in this small town that he was headed for New York City. As the story goes, a bunch of people from this small town gathered at the spot in town where the Greyhound Bus would stop.... and, most of them were there to jeer at "Little Bobby" and sneer their best wishes.
I like the part where "Little Bobby" kicked ass...
| 1099 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:39:11pm |
re: #1092 Spare O'Lake
I love the early Dylan material best.
He never clould sing worth a shit, though.
Homer couldn't carry a tune worth a damn, and Eliot had a nasally voice.
| 1100 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:39:21pm |
re: #1095 CapeCoddah
OH, placating the enemy... Jane Fonda can help with that!
we don't have to go that far back, we don't have to go back at all.
| 1102 |
Bagua Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:39:24pm |
Here is something special.
Big Joe Williams playing guitar but with washboard accompaniment and a guest vocal. 1935
Worried Man Blues
| 1103 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:40:38pm |
Bachmann on LGF
CPAC! Birchers.
Teaparty!
TeaParty!
Propehtic Visions!
Theocracy!
Show Trials!
Much more. Bachmann is seriously deranged and needs to be booted out of the GOP.
| 1104 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:40:40pm |
re: #1079 The Sanity Inspector
Maybe he just needs to be eased into the catalog, if the real stuff is off-putting. This is one of my favorite covers of a Dylan song:
[Video]
Or this:
| 1105 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:40:53pm |
re: #1090 marjoriemoon
Before I start cheering, it sounds pretty groovy. Is there any "Death to America" in there??
I recall once listening to a song (here, I think) from a Hamas kiddie show, and thinking, 'you know, it's pretty catchy, if it weren't calling for my death, I could dance to it'.
But I like Middle Eastern trad.
| 1106 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:40:56pm |
re: #1100 brookly red
we don't have to go that far back, we don't have to go back at all.
But... the years of experience!!!
| 1107 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:40:59pm |
Movie over... still snowing here... another 3 inches since sundown... that makes about 20 inches or so now...
| 1109 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:41:55pm |
re: #1107 Walter L. Newton
If I am iced in tomorrow I am going to bash something.
| 1110 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:42:01pm |
re: #1105 SanFranciscoZionist
I recall once listening to a song (here, I think) from a Hamas kiddie show, and thinking, 'you know, it's pretty catchy, if it weren't calling for my death, I could dance to it'.
But I like Middle Eastern trad.
That's the problem - why in the world should such beautiful music be in such hands?
| 1111 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:42:33pm |
re: #1103 iceweasel
Bachmann is seriously deranged and needs to be booted out of the GOP.
Fat chance. There will come a day when even conservatives will laugh at Bachmann, Beck and Palin but it's not going to happen anytime soon.
| 1112 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:42:41pm |
re: #1060 prairiefire
Are you still out there... you have a question for me before I started watching the movie...
| 1113 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:42:44pm |
re: #1110 Guanxi88
That's the problem - why in the world should such beautiful music be in such hands?
And to think they used to call R&R the devil's music...
| 1114 |
Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:42:47pm |
re: #1107 Walter L. Newton
Movie over... still snowing here... another 3 inches since sundown... that makes about 20 inches or so now...
Is it OK if Canada sends a few trucks down to get some?
| 1115 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:42:54pm |
re: #1105 SanFranciscoZionist
I recall once listening to a song (here, I think) from a Hamas kiddie show, and thinking, 'you know, it's pretty catchy, if it weren't calling for my death, I could dance to it'.
But I like Middle Eastern trad.
lol! Yea, I mean this sounded like Indian Reggae. Good sound! But I can't make out the words so ya just never know.
We've had the talk about late night Indian videos before haven't we :)
| 1116 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:43:10pm |
re: #1105 SanFranciscoZionist
I recall once listening to a song (here, I think) from a Hamas kiddie show, and thinking, 'you know, it's pretty catchy, if it weren't calling for my death, I could dance to it'.
But I like Middle Eastern trad.
I sorta MAKE myself like klezmer - eh, it wears out quickly. Gimme some of that Arab stuff any day, though
| 1117 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:43:20pm |
| 1119 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:43:42pm |
re: #1109 prairiefire
If I am iced in tomorrow I am going to bash something.
You had a question up thread, just when I stated to watch the movie... those are tall cat tails...
| 1120 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:44:05pm |
re: #1112 Walter L. Newton
I'm still stuck out here on the prairie. No question, just feeling miserable about the weather.
| 1121 |
Aye Pod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:44:08pm |
re: #1090 marjoriemoon
Before I start cheering, it sounds pretty groovy. Is there any "Death to America" in there??
Lyrics in full :
Every sunday morning in front of the tv
Recording with a microphone naya zindagi
Pioneer gurdas maan
Nusrat fateh ali khan
Kept our parents alive
Gave them the will to survive
Working inna de factories
Sometimes sweeping de floor
Unsung heroines an heroes
Yes they open de door
They came a long time ago
But now it seems we've arrived
Naya zindagi! naya jeevan
New way new life
Stayed an we fought an now de future's open wide
New way new life
Naya zindagi! naya zindagi!
New way new life
Naya zindagi! naya jeevan
Tjinder pon de radio
Dis is england's new voice
Censorship for years
But now dem have no choice
Running thru de playground
We could never have known
Dat in de future
Our role models would be home grown
And now we're walking down de street
Wid a brand new pride
A spring inna de step
Wid our heads held high
Young asian brothers an sisters
Moving forward, side by side
Naya zindagi! naya jeevan
New way new life
Our opportunity will no longer be denied
New way new life
Naya zindagi! naya jeevan
And we're supposed to be cool
Inna de dance our riddims rule
But we knew it all along
Cos our parents made us strong
Never abandoned our culture
Just been moving it along
Technology our tradition
Innovation inna the song
Now de struggle continues
To reverse every wrong
New heroines and heroes
Inna de battle we belong
When we reach de glass ceiling
We will blow it sky high
Naya zindagi! naya jeevan
New way new life
| 1122 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:44:15pm |
re: #1081 Dark_Falcon
Agreed about the song itself. Thanks for taking a listen. I know you're a fan, so when I see a Stones song done a different way, I may still sometimes post it for you.
their arena stuff is just so not me....they did so they could reach the biggest audience...it caused all kinds of problems with their sound and arrangements and they generally hated it...especially outspoken was Richards...but they did it anyway....the Stones are a simple, grimy, blues band...rather ordinary in a lot of ways...'Stripped' is easily one of their very best records because of where they were recorded and how they set up...mostly in clubs or smaller theaters...check out the difference...Richards and Watts are not good at playing enormous arenas, not their style...and Kieth follows Charlie like a shadow...the twinning guitars suffers as much as Jaggers vocals in those giant places...jus sayin
| 1123 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:44:17pm |
re: #1114 Racer X
Is it OK if Canada sends a few trucks down to get some?
Did you see the right before dark picture I took...
| 1124 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:44:43pm |
re: #1117 Obdicut
What about Israeli techno pop?
[Video]
One of those things - love the lyrics, could ditch the rest of it, though.
| 1125 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:44:43pm |
re: #1110 Guanxi88
That's the problem - why in the world should such beautiful music be in such hands?
I don't think those are the hands we have a problem with.
| 1126 |
prairiefire Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:45:01pm |
re: #1119 Walter L. Newton
Oh, yes, thanks. Will they get the brown fur part in the fall? They are so tall.
| 1127 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:45:09pm |
re: #1123 Walter L. Newton
Did you see the right before dark picture I took...
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
Pretty!
| 1128 |
Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:45:27pm |
re: #1123 Walter L. Newton
Did you see the right before dark picture I took...
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
Nice!
I love the snow - I just wish the stuff wasn't so cold.
| 1129 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:45:42pm |
My bro' also tells the story of the Rolling Stones being in Wayzata or Excelsior Minnesota down at the water front when the carnival was in town (actually, at the time I think the carnival was a permanent fixture in this particular park).
Anyhow, there was a developmentally disabled guy that went by the name of Mr. Jimmy who was "on the scene". As the story goes, Mick Jagger was sick (or his girlfriend was sick I think) and he was standing in the line at the pharmacy and struck up a conversation with "Mr. Jimmy". The rest is history.... (see "You can't always get what you want....)
I met Mr. Jimmy once on the street there because my brother had befriended him......
(I know... I am dropping names.... but I thought it was a cool story and I liked the Stones even more afterwards....)
| 1130 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:45:45pm |
re: #1119 Walter L. Newton
You had a question up thread, just when I stated to watch the movie... those are tall cat tails...
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
No... wrong... it's some weed, that's all, but I don't know what it is...
| 1131 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:45:53pm |
re: #1123 Walter L. Newton
Did you see the right before dark picture I took...
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
Snow is pretty. Please keep it.:)
| 1132 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:45:55pm |
| 1133 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:46:00pm |
re: #1111 Killgore Trout
Fat chance. There will come a day when even conservatives will laugh at Bachmann, Beck and Palin but it's not going to happen anytime soon.
I know. I've said this before, but my disgust with Bachmann and those like her has nothing to do with me being on the left-- it gives me no joy whatsoever to see the GOP be what it is now.
We need two functioning parties minimum in a democracy.
It's probably only going to get worse before it gets better in the GOP, but the day they clean up can't come soon enough for me.
| 1135 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:46:41pm |
re: #1124 Guanxi88
Whoah. Just found this.
No clue what to call it.
It's like Throwing Copper met a whole bunch of disco.
| 1136 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:46:53pm |
| 1137 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:46:56pm |
| 1138 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:47:34pm |
re: #1128 Racer X
Nice!
I love the snow - I just wish the stuff wasn't so cold.
Right now I wish it wasn't so deep. No one is going anywhere. I had one vehicle parked parallel at the end of the driveway just in case we need to get out. But unless it's an emergency, no one is going anywhere for another good 12 hours.
It's still snowing.
| 1139 |
Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:47:36pm |
I think APOD missed this one. That is Spaceghost all the way.
| 1140 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:47:44pm |
re: #1110 Guanxi88
That's the problem - why in the world should such beautiful music be in such hands?
Well, Ofra Haza helps. And Cheb i Sabbah. And, oh, lots of folks.
| 1141 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:48:33pm |
re: #1131 Cannadian Club Akbar
Snow is pretty. Please keep it.:)
It'll be all gone probably by Monday morning. Spring snows... they come in quick, and melt. It's suppose to be 60 degrees Sunday.
| 1142 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:48:34pm |
re: #1135 Obdicut
Whoah. Just found this.
No clue what to call it.
[Video]It's like Throwing Copper met a whole bunch of disco.
Yes, that'll work; that'll work quite nicely.
(and she's beautiful, too!)
| 1143 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:48:49pm |
re: #1086 Cato the Elder
People who can't take Dylan straight make me puke. Like folks who put water in single malt.
I understand. Still, a little pop sweetener is not a bod thing, sometimes...
| 1144 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:49:15pm |
re: #1137 cliffster
Oh man, Indian guys just have such damn trouble looking tough. That was ridiculous. Loved it.
| 1145 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:49:22pm |
re: #1129 WindHorse
Don't apologize, that's a great story!
| 1146 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:49:30pm |
re: #1135 Obdicut
I can't understand what she's saying, so I'm going to make up my own words.
| 1147 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:50:29pm |
re: #1140 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, Ofra Haza helps. And Cheb i Sabbah. And, oh, lots of folks.
yeah, yeah, yeah, but the aggressive use of art for evil purposes rubs me the wrong way. It's like someone putting artillery in a church-yard. yeah, I know it doesn't desecrate the vatican or notre dame, but I hate it all the same.
| 1148 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:50:31pm |
My husky just went outside to take a snow bath. He loves the snow... I'll get up in the middle of the night to see if he wants in... and he'll be laying in the snow just smiling at me...
| 1149 |
Bagua Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:50:51pm |
This is legendary early American blues, recorded in 1927, nine years before Robert Johnson recorded. Notice the call and response, and the percussive guitar which also sounds like a voice.
Turpentine Blues
- Casey Bill Weldon - Slide Swing Guitar Legend
| 1150 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:50:56pm |
| 1151 |
avanti Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:51:03pm |
Strange satellite launch vehicle, and interesting story on a electronics fix.
| 1152 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:51:16pm |
re: #1144 Obdicut
Oh man, Indian guys just have such damn trouble looking tough. That was ridiculous. Loved it.
Hahaha, yeah some of my friends at work who are Indian girls sent that to me. Apparently that dude is hot shit in India.
| 1153 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:51:22pm |
re: #1146 cliffster
She's singing about the joys of rent-controlled pied-a-terres in the East Village, and this one little place you can get the best capers and lox bagel, oh you would just die.
/
No clue. I speak zero hebrew.
| 1154 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:51:30pm |
re: #1129 WindHorse
My bro' also tells the story of the Rolling Stones being in Wayzata or Excelsior Minnesota down at the water front when the carnival was in town (actually, at the time I think the carnival was a permanent fixture in this particular park).
Anyhow, there was a developmentally disabled guy that went by the name of Mr. Jimmy who was "on the scene". As the story goes, Mick Jagger was sick (or his girlfriend was sick I think) and he was standing in the line at the pharmacy and struck up a conversation with "Mr. Jimmy". The rest is history... (see "You can't always get what you want...)
I met Mr. Jimmy once on the street there because my brother had befriended him...
(I know... I am dropping names... but I thought it was a cool story and I liked the Stones even more afterwards...)
I'll stick to the Jimmy Miller theory for now....that Minny thing has been floating around for years now, but well after the fact...legends are cool tho and there are a lot of them surrounding the Stones
| 1155 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:51:46pm |
re: #1095 CapeCoddah
OH, placating the enemy... Jane Fonda can help with that!
So can the Senior Senator from your state: John 'fucking' Kerry. Not that that's your fault, of course.
| 1156 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:51:54pm |
re: #1091 negativ
Your nine year old is not going to die if he doesn't get braces. "Not paying for them at all" is an option.
If your nine year old had Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma, and you were looking at a minimum of 20 rounds of treatments at something like $7500 a pop, not even beginning to count hospital fees, how would your opinion be different?
Good point and understood, but out of context. My initial response was to a comment about an "adult child" (20 years old, I think) who had sinus problems.
My second point is that I think most people (including me, since you asked) believe that insurance should be for major problems, as you posed, and they should be able to pay for minor expenses like office visits, etc.
I hope that the lymphoma is not the case with your child, but that was also not the point I was trying to make earlier.
| 1157 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:52:11pm |
re: #1117 Obdicut
What about Israeli techno pop?
[Video]
Mellow stuff, but Idan Raichel has a wonderful sound. He changes his band. The music is African tribal (Ethiopian), Caribbean, a bit Latin, and of course, Middle Eastern.
| 1158 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:53:11pm |
re: #1052 Cato the Elder
Thanks for this opportunity to smack you upside the head with the objective, irrefutable truth that Bob Dylan is the greatest singer-poet of his or most other generations, with a song catalogue you could choke a buffalo with, a vast and irreplaceable knowledge of American music, a Biblical repertoire that James Joyce would envy, a heart as bit as the Ritz, a mind as wide as the Mississippi, a repertoire as deep as the Mariana Trench, and the best up-down note ever blown on a blues harp.
And if he was good enough for Johnny Cash, he's good enough for anyone but you.
Suck on this:
[Video]
You defend atrocity with more atrocity.
I agree his work could choke a buffalo, but it could also choke a buzzard and a starving hyena. I hate to break it to you, but American music pre-1959 includes lots and lots more than Woody Guthrie. Ritz is a red herring, and dear Christ, if you think Bob Dylan's repertoire was "deep", and especially if you think there is any virtue at all in the harmonica (save for use in enhanced interrogations), then I fear there is no help for you.
| 1159 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:53:18pm |
re: #1153 Obdicut
She's singing about the joys of rent-controlled pied-a-terres in the East Village, and this one little place you can get the best capers and lox bagel, oh you would just die.
/
No clue. I speak zero hebrew.
I love lox and bagel with capers. Especially when she's singing about them
| 1160 |
brookly red Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:53:19pm |
re: #1155 Dark_Falcon
So can the Senior Senator from your state: John 'fucking' Kerry. Not that that's your fault, of course.
/tkf lives!
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What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:54:16pm |
re: #1121 Jimmah
Nothing too overt LOL I like the music a lot.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:55:12pm |
Dylan is an atrocity!...yikes!
the single most stupid post I have ever read at LGF
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Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:55:27pm |
re: #1159 cliffster
I love lox and bagel with capers. Especially when she's singing about them
Hell, she could sing about tapeworms, and I'd still be transfixed.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:56:11pm |
| 1165 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:56:11pm |
re: #1162 albusteve
Dylan is an atrocity!...yikes!
the single most stupid post I have ever read at LGF
Somebody hates your favorite rock star, and that's the worst thing you've ever seen here.
Stand by that forever, please.
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Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:56:42pm |
re: #1099 Guanxi88
Homer couldn't carry a tune worth a damn, and Eliot had a nasally voice.
I still love to howl along to the old Dylan stuff when I'm alone in the car.
Sheer poetry.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:57:05pm |
re: #1160 brookly red
/tkf lives!
Nope. but I don't like Kerry that much. I can't get over the times he's smeared the military. The man is a vainglorious liar, and such men disgust me.
| 1168 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:57:38pm |
| 1169 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:57:40pm |
re: #1165 negativ
you are so full of shit. Dylan is NOT Rock.
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WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:57:54pm |
personally.... I think Dylan's music suck.... BUT, I still like the Hibbing Minnesota story....
| 1172 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:58:14pm |
| 1173 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:58:32pm |
Tunak Tunak Tun
| 1174 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:59:12pm |
| 1175 |
CapeCoddah Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:59:13pm |
re: #1155 Dark_Falcon
So can the Senior Senator from your state: John 'fucking' Kerry. Not that that's your fault, of course.
Uh, thats Jawn "liveshot" "do you know who I am?" Kerry to you, sir!/
| 1176 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:59:39pm |
re: #1169 cliffster
Sorry. "Adult Contemporary".
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:59:41pm |
re: #1165 negativ
Somebody hates your favorite rock star, and that's the worst thing you've ever seen here.
Stand by that forever, please.
not the worst...I said the most stupid...congratulations!
| 1178 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 8:59:45pm |
| 1179 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:00:14pm |
re: #1178 cliffster
Thank you for reminding me to start drinking.
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albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:01:36pm |
re: #1170 WindHorse
personally... I think Dylan's music suck... BUT, I still like the Hibbing Minnesota story...
that's because you probably grew up with Nine Inch Nails or whatever
| 1181 |
jaunte Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:01:42pm |
When you're lost in the rain in Juarez
And it's Eastertime too
And your gravity fails
And negativity don't pull you through
Don't put on any airs
| 1182 |
wee fury Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:01:47pm |
re: #1170 WindHorse
personally... I think Dylan's music suck... BUT, I still like the Hibbing Minnesota story...
The Iron Range wants Dylan to come back home.
| 1183 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:01:47pm |
re: #1175 CapeCoddah
Uh, thats Jawn "liveshot" "do you know who I am?" Kerry to you, sir!/
Well, since you,live in the same state as him, you could just do a Blazing Saddles and call him "The leading asshole in the state". :D
| 1184 |
jvic Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:02:06pm |
re: #1064 negativ
See, when an idea comes to you from God, it means two things:
1) You are TOTALLY on God's radar, and He has Plans For You. Therefore, your will is God's will. This is arguably the most egregiously narcissistic idea that the human brain can form.
2) Anyone who would attempt to argue you away from your idea is by definition opposing the will of God, seeing as you are the chosen hand of the creator of the universe. They are your enemy, which by definition makes them the enemy of God.
It's been almost thirty years since I read William James' Varieties of Religious Experience--now public domain & online afaik--, but it made a lasting impression on me.
James sidesteps the question of whether the experiences are factually correct to look at their consequences. He notes that people are transformed to do things that they would not have done previously. Therefore he concludes that the transformational experiences are legitimate phenomena worthy of scientific, i.e. medical, study.
However, he repeatedly emphasizes that the assessment of such experiences depends on their consequences: consequences for the individual who had the experience, and consequences for the people whom that individual subsequently influences. Unfortunately, an overwhelming internal revelation can harden into denial when outside reality does not confirm it. Although many of the religious right's criticisms of our society merit consideration, IMO the rr's propensity to take refuge in denial is where they go astray.
Or it's where they are led astray by cynical manipulators at the top of the theocon food chain.
*** *** ***
And now I really should take off.
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:02:19pm |
re: #1183 Dark_Falcon
Hey Dark-- check out the second Geneva Red link. I think you'd really get a kick out of her. She takes a minute to get going, and then just tears everything up and down.
| 1186 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:02:31pm |
re: #1174 Obdicut
That could be worse, but I'm not sure how.
| 1187 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:03:08pm |
re: #1184 jvic
William James was a brilliant man, and that was probably his greatest book. You did it justice. Have a good night.
| 1188 |
solomonpanting Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:03:28pm |
re: #1158 negativ
especially if you think there is any virtue at all in the harmonica
Can't you afford just a bit of room to move?
| 1189 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:03:34pm |
A little Transglobal Underground, Ali Mullah lament:
Enough to make this Hebrew wanna get up and move.
(And the voice of an angel she has)
| 1190 |
Aye Pod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:03:38pm |
re: #1161 marjoriemoon
Nothing too overt LOL I like the music a lot.
What I see expressed in that song is the - for want of a better term - 'can do' attitude that is celebrated in so many immigrants - thinking about the history of America etc here too. I love it.
Here's another - 'Black/White' - turn it up!
| 1191 |
Randall Gross Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:03:47pm |
heart full
| 1192 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:04:01pm |
re: #1186 negativ
If you can't enjoy that, you're just no fun and you're not invited to my birthday party.
Go find Mr. Tom Waits and have him explain it, I can never get it across right.
| 1193 |
WindHorse Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:04:04pm |
| 1196 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:04:43pm |
re: #1162 albusteve
Dylan is an atrocity!...yikes!
the single most stupid post I have ever read at LGF
I think that comment comes from a John Philip Sousa fan.
Sousa fans are like that...
| 1198 |
cliffster Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:05:08pm |
re: #1174 Obdicut
Good God, that is hot. I think I'm in love. Don't tell my wife
| 1199 |
What, me worry? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:05:49pm |
re: #1173 Thanos
I love that guy. He's so much fun.
I still like to see the Burka Blue ladies after all these years. Wonder what happened to them.
| 1200 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:06:23pm |
re: #1158 negativ
Did you play any of the covers I posted? Whaddaya think?
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Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:07:26pm |
re: #1198 cliffster
I got to see her live and I'm so glad youtube exists, because otherwise I'd have no way of communicating her. I saw her with the dude in the second video-- he's hot shit on guitar, too.
Here is her incredibly goofily 1998 webpage.
[Link: www.genevared.com...]
| 1203 |
Bagua Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:07:49pm |
When people think about a blues classic like Spoonful they think back to Howlin' Wolf and Willie Dixon, but to go way back is hear Charley Patton who recorded this song about cocaine, thus one will often find this song attributed to him...
Spoonful
- Charley Patton 1929
| 1204 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:08:07pm |
re: #1167 Dark_Falcon
Nope. but I don't like Kerry that much. I can't get over the times he's smeared the military. The man is a vainglorious liar, and such men disgust me.
He disgusts me, no matter what you call him!!
| 1205 |
albusteve Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:08:19pm |
re: #1196 The Shadow Do
I think that comment comes from a John Philip Sousa fan.
Sousa fans are like that...
aggressively bitter than John never made it like Bob did
| 1206 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:09:05pm |
re: #1189 Guanxi88
A little Transglobal Underground, Ali Mullah lament:
[Video]Enough to make this Hebrew wanna get up and move.(And the voice of an angel she has)
My wife can never figure it out. "Thought you guys and Arabs hate each other? How come ya eat their grub, love their music, stare at their chicks, and have more Arab friends than Jews?"
| 1207 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:09:18pm |
| 1208 |
avanti Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:09:30pm |
re: #1194 Racer X
Man, I don't think I've ever seen anything spun that far in the comments. Some are almost "Beck like"
| 1209 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:10:57pm |
re: #1158 negativ
You defend atrocity with more atrocity.
I agree his work could choke a buffalo, but it could also choke a buzzard and a starving hyena. I hate to break it to you, but American music pre-1959 includes lots and lots more than Woody Guthrie. Ritz is a red herring, and dear Christ, if you think Bob Dylan's repertoire was "deep", and especially if you think there is any virtue at all in the harmonica (save for use in enhanced interrogations), then I fear there is no help for you.
Thank you for the best evidence I've seen all day that ignoratia invincibilis is not merely a Catholic theological category.
| 1210 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:11:31pm |
re: #1184 jvic
We hear in these days of scientific enlightenment a great deal of discussion about the efficacy of _Prayer_...Very little is said of the reason we do pray. The reason is simple: We pray because we cannot help praying.
-- William James, The Varieties of Religious Experience, 1902
There are people for whom evil means only a mal-adjustment with things, a wrong correspondence of one’s life with the environment. Such evil as this is curable, at least in principle, upon the natural plane… . But there are others for whom evil is no mere relation of the subject to particular outer things, but something more radical and general, a wrongness or vice in his essential nature, which no alteration of the environment, or any superficial rearrangement of the inner self, can cure, and which requires a supernatural remedy.
-- ibid
Philosophy lives in words, but truth and fact well up in to our lives in ways that exceed verbal formulation. There is in the living act of perception always something that glimmers and twinkles and will not be caught, and for which reflection comes too late.
-- ibid
| 1211 |
Walter L. Newton Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:11:33pm |
re: #1194 Racer X
Well... none of that would be in there if the GOP even cared one whit about their districts.
| 1212 |
Bagua Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:11:53pm |
However, here is a less known version of Spoonfull recorded by Papa Charlie Jackson in 1925, years before Charlie Patton's version.
Played on a banjo.
All I Want is a Spoonful
- Papa Charlie Jackson 1925
| 1213 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:12:10pm |
re: #1185 Obdicut
Hey Dark-- check out the second Geneva Red link. I think you'd really get a kick out of her. She takes a minute to get going, and then just tears everything up and down.
I'll try it. Thanks for the company link earlier. Found a good position on the website and sent in the application. I'll let you know what happens.
| 1214 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:12:20pm |
re: #1208 avanti
Man, I don't think I've ever seen anything spun that far in the comments. Some are almost "Beck like"
Not just the comments either. That post is purest wingnuttery and bullshit.
BTW, the blogger is also an AGW denier. Of course.
| 1215 |
charlz Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:12:40pm |
re: #1150 SanFranciscoZionist
This is my favorite Israeli pop video.
My favorite group from Israel:
Infected Mushroom - Muse Breaks
| 1216 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:13:30pm |
re: #1213 Dark_Falcon
Cool. A friend of mine worked the job and said you needed patience, which you've got a lot of, but other than that it was a good job and a good attitude could get you noticed.
Hoping good things for you.
| 1217 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:14:50pm |
re: #1216 Obdicut
Cool. A friend of mine worked the job and said you needed patience, which you've got a lot of, but other than that it was a good job and a good attitude could get you noticed.
Hoping good things for you.
See that, Dark Falcon? Don't you feel bad for all that stuff you said about him, now?
| 1218 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:14:59pm |
You say you're lookin' for someone
Who's never weak and always strong
To protect you and defend you
Whether you are right or wrong
Someone to open each and every door...
It ain't me babe,
I said no no no,
It ain't me babe,
It ain't me you're lookin' for babe
It ain't me you're lookin' for.
| 1219 |
simoom Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:15:33pm |
Heh, the Washington Times has up an oped calling for Obama's Impeachment if the Dems are successful on Sunday :o.
[Link: washingtontimes.com...]
Obamacare is opposed by nearly two-thirds of the public, more than 60 percent of independents and almost all Republicans and conservatives.
...
Mr. Obama is willing to devour his presidency, his party's congressional majority and - most disturbing - our democratic institutional safeguards to enact it. He is a reckless ideologue who is willing to sacrifice the country's stability in pursuit of a socialist utopia.The Slaughter Solution is a poisoned chalice. ... It would be worse than a strategic blunder; it would be a crime - a moral crime against the American people and a direct abrogation of the Constitution and our very democracy.
It would open Mr. Obama, as well as key congressional leaders such as Mrs. Pelosi, to impeachment. The Slaughter Solution would replace the rule of law with arbitrary one-party rule. It violates the entire basis of our constitutional government - meeting the threshold of "high crimes and misdemeanors." If it's enacted, Republicans should campaign for the November elections not only on repealing Obamacare, but on removing Mr. Obama and his gang of leftist thugs from office.
| 1220 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:15:58pm |
re: #1216 Obdicut
Cool. A friend of mine worked the job and said you needed patience, which you've got a lot of, but other than that it was a good job and a good attitude could get you noticed.
Hoping good things for you.
I actually applied to a different position within the same company. Not going to say which due to others reading this blog. It better matched my on-paper qualifications. Still good and I again thank you for leading me to it. If I get that job, I'll owe you quite a large favor.
| 1221 |
freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:16:38pm |
re: #1214 iceweasel
Yeah, no kidding. The author's red comments on the student loan program is priceless:
Did you know that the health care reconciliation bill contained the nationalization of the student loan program? That would be outright communism.
Obviously the author doesn't remember college loan programs that existed before the contemporary ones. Way back when I went to school there were government loans I took out. Not through banks, but administered by the school with funding straight from the government. No, it wasn't communism, but rather a way for the gov't to increase enrollments in colleges.
| 1222 |
freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:17:26pm |
re: #1219 simoom
I commented on it yesterday when it was posted. For the life of me, I don't see how anyone with a few functioning brain cells could fall for such twisted logic.
| 1223 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:17:28pm |
| 1224 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:17:33pm |
re: #1218 Spare O'Lake
You say you're lookin' for someone
Who's never weak and always strong
To protect you and defend you
Whether you are right or wrong
Someone to open each and every door...It ain't me babe,
I said no no no,
It ain't me babe,
It ain't me you're lookin' for babe
It ain't me you're lookin' for.
Genius
| 1225 |
avanti Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:17:42pm |
re: #1214 iceweasel
Not just the comments either. That post is purest wingnuttery and bullshit.
BTW, the blogger is also an AGW denier. Of course.
My favorite:
"Did you know that the health care reconciliation bill contained the nationalization of the student loan program? That would be outright communism. "
So now the government guarantees student loans to the banks, that borrow the money at close to zero percent and make billions on interest risk free. We eliminate the middle man, save tons of tax payer money, and it's communism. BTW, taking over student loans has had bipartisan support.
| 1226 |
The Sanity Inspector Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:17:53pm |
re: #1218 Spare O'Lake
You say you're lookin' for someone
Who's never weak and always strong
To protect you and defend you
Whether you are right or wrong
Someone to open each and every door...It ain't me babe,
I said no no no,
It ain't me babe,
It ain't me you're lookin' for babe
It ain't me you're lookin' for.
Take your hand out of my pocket, I ain't got nothing belong to you
Take your hand out of my pocket, I ain't got nothing belong to you
Little girl if you don't stop ravish me, I will have to put the police on you
| 1227 |
Aye Pod Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:17:57pm |
re: #1208 avanti
Man, I don't think I've ever seen anything spun that far in the comments. Some are almost "Beck like"
Site links to Ace of Spades, Gates of Vienna, Stop The ACLU to name but a few. Right wing whack job site.
| 1228 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:18:17pm |
re: #1206 Guanxi88
My wife can never figure it out. "Thought you guys and Arabs hate each other? How come ya eat their grub, love their music, stare at their chicks, and have more Arab friends than Jews?"
It's Semitic thing. She wouldn't understand...
//
| 1229 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:18:29pm |
re: #1221 freetoken
I'm in the financial aid racket - lemme tell ya, the death of FFELP was a long-time coming. There's no point or profit in the industry; better to just run them all DL, of Institutional, like they do with Perkins & such.
| 1230 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:19:21pm |
re: #1223 webevintage
hahahahahaha
That is some tin!foil hat crazy there...
Sure is! Explains some of the talking points we're seeing: On the expansion of parents carrying their kids on their own insurance:
In a communist utopia, you are a child until age 26.
lol.
| 1231 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:19:45pm |
re: #1220 Dark_Falcon
Heh, even better if you feel like it's a good fit for it.
| 1233 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:21:29pm |
re: #1228 SanFranciscoZionist
It's Semitic thing. She wouldn't understand...
//
yeah, ain't that the truth, though. I tell her:
1) their grub's the shiz-nite, my dear. how much cabbage do you expect me to eat, anyway;
2) Their music is closer to that which our shared ancestors practiced; consequently, it moves my soul at the tribal level;
3) Their chicks are, or at least tend to be, teh hawt. (but I don't STARE at them)
4) I have so much in common with most jews, that we end up fighting over little crap; with arabs, we've got just enough in common to have a bond, but just enough difference that we know not to expect perfection in the other.
| 1234 |
SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:22:06pm |
re: #1215 charlz
My favorite group from Israel:
Infected Mushroom - Muse Breaks
[Video]
Thanks. Never heard of them. Will have to check out further.
Because how can you not love a group that calls an album "Legend of the Black Shawarma"?
| 1235 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:23:00pm |
re: #1234 SanFranciscoZionist
Thanks. Never heard of them. Will have to check out further.
Because how can you not love a group that calls an album "Legend of the Black Shawarma"?
Reminds me; How can you tell a West Ender had an orgasm? She drops her shawarma
| 1236 |
The Left Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:23:04pm |
re: #1221 freetoken
Yeah, no kidding. The author's red comments on the student loan program is priceless:
It's a festival of freak-out.
This shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A bananas.
| 1237 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:23:07pm |
re: #1227 Jimmah
Site links to Ace of Spades, Gates of Vienna, Stop The ACLU to name but a few. Right wing whack job site.
That's some crazy shit there.
| 1238 |
Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:23:45pm |
re: #1208 avanti
Man, I don't think I've ever seen anything spun that far in the comments. Some are almost "Beck like"
Yep - pretty crazy shit there. I mean the name of the bill is THE HEALTH CARE & EDUCATION AFFORDABILITY RECONCILIATION ACT of 2010. Why is everyone surprised there is spending on education?
2 birds, one stone.
| 1240 |
freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:26:50pm |
re: #1238 Racer X
The gov't has been involved in health care education funding for quite some time. And, what isn't directed at the students per se, but is very important, is the Federal gov't funds a great portion (via the NIH) of the research done at medical schools and thus pays for professors at these schools, at which future medical professionals study.
| 1241 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:29:24pm |
re: #792 CapeCoddah
Wow, what a sad commentary. My husband was married the first time at 17, worked full time, finished high school, parented and started his own company. All before 20, and from a middle class family.
His father would have keeled over dead at the thought of any parent having to support a 25 year old.
I guess no one should be responsible for themselves anymore. I have a 21 year old brother in college, getting so much child support from my father that my dad cant pay his own bills, we have to help him. My brother knows he is really hurting dad, and could give a shit less.
My 17 year old brother, who lives with dad by choice, had support ordered also, he refused it and got 2 jobs to help dad also.
Pathetic.
Just skimming and catching up and to add to your sad commentary: my dad (and mother) lived during the depression, and maybe there are a few people that still feel responsible for their own well-being. My grandfather worked in coal mines in Pennsylvania and my dad was one of nine kids that he had to support. I was taught a lesson (not all teachers are in schools :))about responsibility...that lesson was that other people have their own problems and are not responsible for yours.
| 1242 |
Racer X Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:29:50pm |
re: #1240 freetoken
The gov't has been involved in health care education funding for quite some time. And, what isn't directed at the students per se, but is very important, is the Federal gov't funds a great portion (via the NIH) of the research done at medical schools and thus pays for professors at these schools, at which future medical professionals study.
Communism!
| 1243 |
Obdicut Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:30:36pm |
re: #1240 freetoken
Like my fiancee, who got into the MSTP program at NYU, funded by the NIH.
She'll be studying cancer, as she does now, and pushing forwards our knowledge of molecular biology, specializing in signal pathways.
She'll make about a third of what a normal doctor of the same seniority would make, so it's good she won't be saddled with debt.
| 1244 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:32:21pm |
Take me for a trip upon your magic swirling ship
My senses have been stripped,
My hands can't feel to grip,
My toes too numb to step,
Wait only for my boot heels to be wanderin'...
I'm ready to go anywhere,
I'm ready for to fade
Into my own parade,
Cast your dancing spell my way
I promise to go under it.
Good night folks
| 1245 |
webevintage Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:33:45pm |
re: #1241 Unakite
Just skimming and catching up and to add to your sad commentary: my dad (and mother) lived during the depression, and maybe there are a few people that still feel responsible for their own well-being.
God, I hope we have a depression soon so all these lazy ass, money grubbing teens and young adults will learn some personal responsibility.
/
| 1246 |
ryannon Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:35:09pm |
re: #495 HoosierHoops
It's Spring! It's been a long cold winter...
It's almost time to open the pool.. Fire up the Hot tub..Stock the pool fridge with beer..Float around the pool with Winston and his doggie friends..And enjoy our last summer in Indiana..
It doesn't get any better than this after a long cold winter
| 1247 |
freetoken Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:37:43pm |
re: #1245 webevintage
Well, my parents went through the Great Depression also. On the paternal side it was a family of 12 kids, IIRC. It was tough on them.
Talked to my quite elderly mother today, who mentioned something about the right winger billionaires trying to end Social Security and expressed anger at the right wingers.
Well, there you go, an antidote to Unakite's anecdote.
| 1248 |
sagehen Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:40:24pm |
re: #614 PT Barnum
Just heard about a 3 piece jug band of African Americans...playing what sounds like blue grass...Trying to find them so I can hear more, since I love that sort of stuff.
Is this who you're talking about?
| 1249 |
Unakite Fri, Mar 19, 2010 9:57:02pm |
re: #1245 webevintage
God, I hope we have a depression soon so all these lazy ass, money grubbing teens and young adults will learn some personal responsibility.
/
I see the sarc, but that's just a stupid comment. The point is, people used to be responsible for themselves first, then look for aid/assistance if they needed it. Now people think that someone else (i.e., government or insurance) should pay whenever they need to go to the doctor.
Maybe you do need to learn some personal responsibility. I had to.
| 1250 |
goddamnedfrank Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:11:14pm |
| 1251 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:27:41pm |
re: #1249 Unakite
Oh boy.
If some asshole wipes me out in his car while i'm standing on the pavement - you can be damn sure i'm taking everything his insurance will give me.
you wouldn't - that wouold be charity - it was your own fault for being on the pavement, these things happen - 6 broken ribs and unable to work through no fault of your own, just suck it up.
Your choice.
| 1252 |
Wozza Matter? Fri, Mar 19, 2010 10:36:43pm |
re: #1251 wozzablog
Or if i get struck down by cancer - never smoked a day in my life, never worked a job that'd expose me to risks - one day it just happens, as it does to thousands of people everyday.
One down side - my ootherwise decent job doesn't have health coverage -now fighting cancer is pretty damned exspensive.
yup, i'll just suck it up and sell my house, car, become a burden to my family and friends because there is not central risk devolving insurance pool that i could have afforded to pay into.
Thats unwelcome intrusion. The lump growing somewhere on my body will be magiced away by the pixies while i'm out of a job.
A risk desolving pool that does not turn a profit will create a nation of soft brittle individuals - where as Cancer and the normal accidnets of life are spirit building, because after all, it's the spirit of the individual that must be in good health, heaven forfend the body actually get treated.
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lostlakehiker Fri, Mar 19, 2010 11:26:04pm |
re: #1252 wozzablog
Or if i get struck down by cancer - never smoked a day in my life, never worked a job that'd expose me to risks - one day it just happens, as it does to thousands of people everyday.
One down side - my ootherwise decent job doesn't have health coverage -now fighting cancer is pretty damned exspensive.
yup, i'll just suck it up and sell my house, car, become a burden to my family and friends because there is not central risk devolving insurance pool that i could have afforded to pay into.
Thats unwelcome intrusion. The lump growing somewhere on my body will be magiced away by the pixies while i'm out of a job.
A risk desolving pool that does not turn a profit will create a nation of soft brittle individuals - where as Cancer and the normal accidnets of life are spirit building, because after all, it's the spirit of the individual that must be in good health, heaven forfend the body actually get treated.
The good news is, the new law will provide coverage. You can even wait until you're diagnosed to buy it. Guaranteed issue, no exclusions for preexisting conditions.
But where will the money come from to pay the surgeon and so forth? Treating cancer is indeed expensive, and in the final analysis, that expense is the time and effort of all the people who work at curing the patient or if that cannot be done, at buying time for him. Today, that cost is shared among the insured who bought coverage but didn't get sick. Tomorrow, why would anyone buy ahead of time when they can wait and see? And even if guaranteed issue is combined with "must-buy" rules, the numbers just don't add up. The price of coverage is set to be pegged at a level that won't meet the costs the medical system incurs for treatment.
The cancer treatment capability of the nation cannot be kept going if it's starved of money for wages and equipment. Already we see the trial balloons: screening for breast cancer is waste effort, "studies show". Screening for prostate cancer just throws a scare into men and can lead to "painful biopsies", studies show.
In Britain, they've gone down this road. Survival rates are sharply lower than they are in the U.S. Advanced surgical options that are becoming standard here are not available from the NHS. Everyone is covered, much good it does them.
Coverage is beside the point. Cancer is deadly enough even with top-rate care. With second-tier means and price controls and regulations that effectively forbid screening, the government is conveniently spared the expense of top-rate care. It's not available, and if it were, by the time you know you need it, it's too late to be of any use. That's how things stand in Britain, and that's where we're being taken.
As things now stand, you could just buy the medical services outright. Get screened. Fork over 40K or so if the test comes back positive. Maybe less, if the hospital and surgeon will negotiate a reduced price in view of your limited means. You have a fighting chance. If this bill goes through, little by little the corrosive effects of ill-considered rules, and the need to save money somewhere because so much has been squandered, will erode today's health establishment.
I guess I may as well 'come out'. Been there, done that. Grateful it happened before the new law goes into effect. I've got my fighting chance. Odds are good.
I hope you never need yours, because the way things are going, there won't be as much of a fighting chances on offer.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Mar 19, 2010 11:48:16pm |
There is no truth. There is no lie. There is only poetry!
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Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:54:56am |
The diffrence between US and UK Cancer figures is to a certain extent meme- as i have covered here before a while ago, but thihs link covers some of the bare bones:
[Link: scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org...]
The UK also took a couple of strategic bets on certain treatments that didn't pay off - if they'd worked things would be markedly different in our favour. But it's not the fault of the UK having a national plan that those decisions were made.
IF at a stroke you can add a 1/6 of the population who were previously excluded - in my view a good thing - to the Health System at a stroke there will of course be structural changes. To imply that because suddenly another couple of people on your street have now got their chance to survive means yours is reduced - thats a sentiment i just can't comprehend. More people will have a chance to survive than did before, over all survival rates will go up even if the statistics do not point that out due to the uninsured not being comprehensively covered in statistics during cycles of comprehensive treatment.
All i know is - from everything my American friends (now ex-pat here) have told me about their system - they would take the NHS anyday. Not just for the treatment, which is more than adequate (please don't post a trashy link to some old lady forgotten in a corridor, very much the exception and rest assured i have a folder of links with which to respond).
The advantage of the NHS is that when you fall ill you do not have to worry about medical exspenses if you are the patient - and from speaking with the americans who come here, that is the single biggest thing they like best about the NHS. Also that it covers everybody regardless. And that drugs cost £7.
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