Obama’s In the House
President Obama is about to address the House of Representatives about health care reform; you can watch live over the web at this page on C-SPAN.
President Obama is about to address the House of Representatives about health care reform; you can watch live over the web at this page on C-SPAN.
2 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:57:01pm |
Poor Ojoe!
Steny Hoyer was quite inspiring, reading the quotes of the presidents since Roosevelt.
4 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:58:51pm |
5 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 12:59:24pm |
The Dems seems really confident. Looks like they have this locked up.
6 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:00:50pm |
Policy is best decided by small groups of people in short pants, yelling.
9 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:06:12pm |
If this bill passes, I wonder how many people will complain that it will enable people, regardless of their stance now or their ideology, to retain their health insurance coverage when faced with a catastrophic illness that would have been canceled as is common now. Or those that will be able to obtain health insurance because of this legislation when now they would be refused because of preexisting conditions.
10 | Virginia Plain Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:06:13pm |
re: #6 Killgore Trout
Succinctly put. Did those idiot Tea Partiers think they could influence the course of action? Well, actually yes they did. They motivated politicians to vote for this bill, and showed the American people what nut bags they are.
11 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:07:00pm |
BTW, here is the manager's amendment:
[Link: docs.house.gov...]
I think someone on twitter said it's only 11 pages long, maybe the republicans can read it by Sunday.
12 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:07:37pm |
....biggest deficit reduction measure in history
....put us on the path to fiscal responsibility
Let's hope he's right.
13 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:08:13pm |
re: #10 Virginia Plain
Succinctly put. Did those idiot Tea Partiers think they could influence the course of action? Well, actually yes they did. They motivated politicians to vote for this bill, and showed the American people what nut bags they are.
Agreed. The Tea Parties convinced me that the Dem reform plan is probably a pretty good bill.
14 | HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:10:26pm |
Their rhetoric hurt them too. I mean death panels as spouted by Palin was just ridiculous and absurd.
15 | The Curmudgeon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:11:16pm |
There are two ways to look at Obama's speech. Either they don't yet have the votes, so he's making a desperation play; or they know they have the votes, and he's doing this to claim the credit for himself. I can't figure it out, so 'll just have to wait for the vote.
16 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:12:57pm |
"don't do it for me. .. do it for all those people out there struggling."
Great, he's breaking out the Ellie Light letters now.
17 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:13:25pm |
Catcall from the right: "Keep your government hands off our government!!!1!!"
18 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:13:33pm |
.... Rep. Barney Frank got an uglier version of the treatment. Just after Frank rounded a corner to leave the building, an older protestor yelled "Barney, you faggot." The surrounding crowd of protestors then erupted in laughter.
At one point, Capitol police officer threatened to throw a group of protestors out of the building but that only seemed to inflame them more; and apparently none were ejected.
CBC member: Health bill protesters called Rep. Lewis the N-word
Rep. Andre Carson (D-Ind.) claimed Saturday that healthcare protesters at the Capitol directed racial epithets at Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) as he walked outside.
Carson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus along with Lewis, told The Hill that protesters called Lewis the N-word.
Tea Party protesters held a rally outside the Capitol on Saturday, which included speeches by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and actor Jon Voight, and then proceeded into the halls to lobby members at the 11th hour.
Lewis was one of the leaders of the civil rights movement alongside Martin Luther King. Jr.
19 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:14:11pm |
re: #10 Virginia Plain
Succinctly put. Did those idiot Tea Partiers think they could influence the course of action? Well, actually yes they did. They motivated politicians to vote for this bill, and showed the American people what nut bags they are.
Not so much, I think. Their small numbers, in a city where every imaginable fringe group holds protests on a daily basis, suggests that their actual impact was nil.
20 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:15:20pm |
re: #15 The Curmudgeon
There are two ways to look at Obama's speech. Either they don't yet have the votes, so he's making a desperation play; or they know they have the votes, and he's doing this to claim the credit for himself. I can't figure it out, so 'll just have to wait for the vote.
So it's either desperation or an attempt to claim credit? Both sound like negative assessments regardless of what you're hearing -- that is if you're actually listening to the speech. This wouldn't be the first time a president made a speech in favor of his legislative goals.
21 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:15:22pm |
22 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:15:28pm |
re: #15 The Curmudgeon
Nah, They're claiming to have things pretty wrapped up. If they thought there was a chance at failure they'd be back peddling or blaming Republican obstructionism or something. If it doesn't pass they're going to have egg on their face.
23 | HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:16:19pm |
24 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:16:29pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
Nah, They're claiming to have things pretty wrapped up. If they thought there was a chance at failure they'd be back peddling or blaming Republican obstructionism or something. If it doesn't pass they're going to have egg on their face.
In fairness, they've been saying this thing is in the bag for a year now. They've GOT to get this thing done, or the egg will be beyond all measure.
25 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:17:41pm |
"I've been in your shoes; I know what it is to take a tough vote."
26 | Virginia Plain Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:17:48pm |
I wish I were in Austin right now. Here's a sample of what SXSW has:
27 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:17:57pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
Nah, They're claiming to have things pretty wrapped up. If they thought there was a chance at failure they'd be back peddling or blaming Republican obstructionism or something. If it doesn't pass they're going to have egg on their face.
The number of Democrats they needed to pin down to a "Yes" vote was small, and easily within bribery range. Watch the earmarks.
28 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:18:40pm |
re: #26 Virginia Plain
I wish I were in Austin right now. Here's a sample of what SXSW has:
[Video]
Eh, it's cold here today; won't deter the revellers, but it's not the best weather we've had for it.
Love South By
29 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:19:48pm |
CBC member: Health bill protesters called Rep. Lewis the N-word
What's next?
Rep. Wilson: "You lie, n*****!"
30 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:20:59pm |
re: #29 Cato the Elder
CBC member: Health bill protesters called Rep. Lewis the N-word
What's next?
Rep. Wilson: "You lie, n***!"
Folk coming unhinged. Ugly, and, in light of what it is that they're all worked up about, rather puzzling. If you're gonna get your hate on, it should at least be for something worth trading your dignity for.
31 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:21:01pm |
re: #29 Cato the Elder
What's next?
Rep. Wilson: "You lie, n***!"
We're already pretty close. I wouldn't be surprised.
32 | Virginia Plain Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:21:10pm |
re: #28 Guanxi88
Yeah, well it couldn't be colder than it is in Colorado right now.
33 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:22:44pm |
re: #32 Virginia Plain
Yeah, well it couldn't be colder than it is in Colorado right now.
Well, I should hope so. South by's a great thing for us here; a real chance for Austin to shine, and a great boost to the local economy.
34 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:22:54pm |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
You see this yet?
Tea Party sign threatens gun violence if health care passes.
I enlarged the image which you can see here.
35 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:23:49pm |
Oh geeze, go to #tcot on twitter for all the fun.
This vote has not happened yet. Don't be surprised at what happens overnight. KEEP FIGHTING! We may need to overthrow this government! #tcot
This President embarrassing. "Not bound to win, bound to be true", to my Marxist core. In this case a win/win, if he wins. #tcot #hcr
36 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:23:51pm |
How Mr. Obama will feel if HCR does not pass.
37 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:24:32pm |
"We are not bound to win...."
translation - it's in the bag.
38 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:24:39pm |
re: #10 Virginia Plain
Succinctly put. Did those idiot Tea Partiers think they could influence the course of action? Well, actually yes they did. They motivated politicians to vote for this bill, and showed the American people what nut bags they are.
...which is of course their perfect right as citizens, we should add.
39 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:25:24pm |
Wait... how did he do that whole thing without a teleprompter??? ///
40 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:26:07pm |
re: #39 recusancy
Wait... how did he do that whole thing without a teleprompter??? ///
memorized it, mayhap?
41 | Buck Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:27:17pm |
re: #29 Cato the Elder
CBC member: Health bill protesters called Rep. Lewis the N-word
What's next?
Rep. Wilson: "You lie, n***!"
Why wait? Let's just say he did anyway. Fake but accurate...
I mean if it is reported that some guy in a crowd can do it, then clearly this is what what the Republican House member must have meant.
/
42 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:28:04pm |
re: #29 Cato the Elder
CBC member: Health bill protesters called Rep. Lewis the N-word
What's next?
Rep. Wilson: "You lie, n***!"
Rep. John Lewis of Georgia? That's low. I met him once, years ago. I was working on a Habitat For Humanity project, when he and his entourage strode through site, gladhanding the volunteers.
43 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:28:08pm |
Overall, a nice little speech. Didn't soar too awfully much, nor did it devolve into a Clintonian empathy-orgy. Struck a good balance between rallying the troops and preparing them for the worst eventuality.
On the whole, I rank it as one of the better short performances in the genre.
44 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:28:34pm |
re: #34 Gus 802
You see this yet?
Tea Party sign threatens gun violence if health care passes.
I enlarged the image which you can see here.
Thanks for posting that. That sign was behind the stage with the speakers at one point. I had a hard time finding a good link for it. Nice find.
45 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:29:09pm |
re: #34 Gus 802
You see this yet?
Tea Party sign threatens gun violence if health care passes.
I enlarged the image which you can see here.
Oh dear Lord.
46 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:29:37pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
Thanks for posting that. That sign was behind the stage with the speakers at one point. I had a hard time finding a good link for it. Nice find.
YW. Yeah, it looked too small so I did a quick color correction and enlarged it. Now it's easily readable.
47 | ryannon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:29:38pm |
re: #34 Gus 802
You see this yet?
Tea Party sign threatens gun violence if health care passes.
I enlarged the image which you can see here.
From my years as a left-wanger in the 60s, I can assure you that the bearers of signs like these are being photographed by the Feds from all kinds of vantage-points and from every angle. They'll be identified, investigated (either overtly or covertly) and those judged to be dangerous won't be able to sneeze without a G-Man knowing about it.
48 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:30:18pm |
re: #41 Buck
Why wait? Let's just say he did anyway. Fake but accurate...
I mean if it is reported that some guy in a crowd can do it, then clearly this is what what the Republican House member must have meant./
Buck off.
49 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:30:19pm |
re: #34 Gus 802
You see this yet?
Tea Party sign threatens gun violence if health care passes.
I enlarged the image which you can see here.
What's the picture on the upper right of the sign?
50 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:30:42pm |
re: #34 Gus 802
You see this yet?
Tea Party sign threatens gun violence if health care passes.
I enlarged the image which you can see here.
Can you tell what the photo is on the sign?
51 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:31:29pm |
52 | ryannon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:32:26pm |
re: #42 The Sanity Inspector
Rep. John Lewis of Georgia? That's low. I met him once, years ago. I was working on a Habitat For Humanity project, when he and his entourage strode through site, gladhanding the volunteers.
Hey, I was arrested with him. Just the two of us in a little Southern town. He was immediately sprung, I spent two weeks in a segregated county jail. The first night, the boys came around my locked cell to tell me that they were going to kill me in the morning with the sheriff's approval.
53 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:33:12pm |
54 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:33:18pm |
Lefties having fun interviewing Tea Partiers from earlier this week....
THE TEA PARTY & THE CIRCUS - Final Healthcare Reform Protest
Ignorance on parade.
55 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:33:36pm |
re: #52 ryannon
Hey, I was arrested with him. Just the two of us in a little Southern town. He was immediately sprung, I spent two weeks in a segregated county jail. The first night, the boys came around my locked cell to tell me that they were going to kill me in the morning with the sheriff's approval.
What??? Expand on that. That's a hell of a story.
57 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:33:59pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Lefties having fun interviewing Tea Partiers from earlier this week...
THE TEA PARTY & THE CIRCUS - Final Healthcare Reform Protest[Video]
Ignorance on parade.
Don't take the blue pill!!11!!!!
/
59 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:35:22pm |
re: #52 ryannon
Hey, I was arrested with him. Just the two of us in a little Southern town. He was immediately sprung, I spent two weeks in a segregated county jail. The first night, the boys came around my locked cell to tell me that they were going to kill me in the morning with the sheriff's approval.
(((Ryannnon)))
61 | HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:36:46pm |
John Lewis is really one few people I could say in elected politics that I consider a hero these days. I mean the guy literally was beaten up fighting for civil rights. He knows perhaps more than anyone in Congress the dangers of racism.
62 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:36:52pm |
63 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:36:52pm |
re: #59 Cato the Elder
(((Ryannnon)))
Cato - I'm shocked that an antique Roman would stoop to the hug, even in its virtual form. hand-clasp, sir; remember thy station.
64 | ryannon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:36:53pm |
re: #55 recusancy
What??? Expand on that. That's a hell of a story.
On the overnight thread - I don't want to take up space here. He was a serious and exceptional individual. We were both young, and we got along well.
65 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:37:50pm |
re: #63 Guanxi88
Cato - I'm shocked that an antique Roman would stoop to the hug, even in its virtual form. hand-clasp, sir; remember thy station.
I always keep a dagger up my toga, just in case...
66 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:38:07pm |
re: #61 HappyWarrior
John Lewis is really one few people I could say in elected politics that I consider a hero these days. I mean the guy literally was beaten up fighting for civil rights. He knows perhaps more than anyone in Congress the dangers of racism.
He had his skull fractured by police in Selma. He is a true hero.
67 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:38:29pm |
re: #65 Cato the Elder
I always keep a dagger up my toga, just in case...
I thought you were just glad to see me! ;)
68 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:39:02pm |
re: #49 recusancy
What's the picture on the upper right of the sign?
re: #50 Stanley Sea
Can you tell what the photo is on the sign?
Found it! It's a picture of the Capitol Building:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
69 | HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:40:10pm |
re: #66 recusancy
He had his skull fractured by police in Selma. He is a true hero.
That's right. An amazing man. Another guy I admired before he passed away was Tom Lantos of California.
71 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:40:57pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Nice find.
Yep. This one does the trick. Clear photo and now we see there were two of these signs.
72 | ryannon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:43:16pm |
re: #59 Cato the Elder
(((Ryannnon)))
You would have loved that jail: it was pure Faulkner. But that first night was pure hell - I was sure they were going to beat my brains in. They said it had all been worked out - resisting this or that and 'falling' down a flight of concrete stairs. In fact, they had they home-made billies made out of sawed-off wooden stuff. The doors on the block were opened electronically every morning a floor below. Not a guard on our floor, and that's when they said they'd rush me.
I was a very lucky guy. A few years later, people like me ended up missing.
73 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:43:27pm |
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74 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:43:34pm |
re: #65 Cato the Elder
I always keep a dagger up my toga, just in case...
And you still kiss the ladies, to make sure they haven't had any wine, eh?
I'm onto you guys.
75 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:43:42pm |
re: #71 Gus 802
Yep. This one does the trick. Clear photo and now we see there were two of these signs.
hehe... a bunch of old overweight men in polo shirts. That's basically the demo.
76 | HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:44:12pm |
I wonder how these people would feel if they actually lived in countries that not only had strong Socialist parties but had Socialist parties in power. They think that every aspect of socialism is like the former USSR. Completely oblivious to social democracy's strong tradition in countries that we are aligned with including gasp Britain and Israel.
77 | blueraven Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:44:31pm |
re: #71 Gus 802
I wonder how Scott Brown feels about being associated with this bunch? Not that he would approve but obviously these people think of him as their silver bullet.
78 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:45:46pm |
79 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:45:50pm |
re: #77 blueraven
I wonder how Scott Brown feels about being associated with this bunch? Not that he would approve but obviously these people think of him as their silver bullet.
His flags were waving behind the podium.
The Second Revolution Flags.
80 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:46:11pm |
re: #76 HappyWarrior
Hell, in the UK our Conservative Party *believes* in Social Justice..........making the rich pay taxes and healthcare for everyone.
81 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:47:02pm |
re: #76 HappyWarrior
They wold probably be bitching about the local council not letting them change the paint color of their front door.
82 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:47:19pm |
re: #77 blueraven
I wonder how Scott Brown feels about being associated with this bunch? Not that he would approve but obviously these people think of him as their silver bullet.
I doubt he would approve. That's one of the most blatantly pro-violence signs I've seen to date.
84 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:49:02pm |
OK, one last tcot tweet. Then I'm showering:
dems are pulling the plug on America...on the eve of the spring soltice....same week Hitler killed the rep. of Germany...#tcot
85 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:49:15pm |
I wonder, assuming, as appears likely, that this thing will happen, what these protestors are going to do now? I mean, the opposition to the proposal has animated and guided them thus far, but once that's up, will they find something new to engage them, or will it be back to golf?
86 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:49:42pm |
re: #84 Stanley Sea
I need a shower after reading that........
87 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:49:53pm |
re: #78 Cato the Elder
Poor St. Augustine. He is one of my personal heros.
88 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:50:09pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Lefties having fun interviewing Tea Partiers from earlier this week...
THE TEA PARTY & THE CIRCUS - Final Healthcare Reform ProtestIgnorance on parade.
Did she really say "drinking the Coca-Kool-Aid"?!
89 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:50:22pm |
re: #85 Guanxi88
I wonder, assuming, as appears likely, that this thing will happen, what these protestors are going to do now? I mean, the opposition to the proposal has animated and guided them thus far, but once that's up, will they find something new to engage them, or will it be back to golf?
Hopefully they aren't golfing at their local socialist public municipal golf course.
90 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:50:33pm |
re: #87 prairiefire
Poor St. Augustine. He is one of my personal heros.
Eh, him you can keep - silly Platonist that he was.
Gimme Aquinas any day; now THAT's an intellectual work-out.
91 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:51:31pm |
OT -
would like to thank StanleySea for taking my kharma to 2000...............
92 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:52:15pm |
re: #89 recusancy
Hopefully they aren't golfing at their local socialist public municipal golf course.
How do you get there?
Well, first you have to take the Socialist Interstate Highway then get off at exit 666 and take the Socialist Local Road for three miles. Can't miss it. There's a Socialist Post Office right across the street.
/
93 | keithgabryelski Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:52:20pm |
re: #88 Cato the Elder
Did she really say "drinking the Coca-Kool-Aid"?!
what? i just watched that -- she said "purple kool-aid".
94 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:52:32pm |
re: #91 wozzablog
That's probably one of the most unselfconsciously gracious things I've seen here in a while. have an upding.
95 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:53:24pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
Past the red properties on the left covered by mandated federal flood insurance..........?
96 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:53:29pm |
re: #91 wozzablog
OT -
would like to thank StanleySea for taking my kharma to 2000...
Why, you are very welcome & I'm honored!
97 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:54:17pm |
98 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:54:18pm |
re: #95 wozzablog
Past the red properties on the left covered by mandated federal flood insurance...?
Yep. Watch your speed though because the Local Socialist Police have a lot of speed traps around those parts.
/
99 | HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:54:36pm |
I wonder what they think of Socialist Police Departments and Fire Departments. I don't think many people realize that police departments and fire departments especially used to be private and it would be really ugly. There's a great seen in Martin Scorcese's Gangs of New York where rival fire companies are actually fighting each other while a house burns down.
100 | blueraven Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:54:37pm |
re: #82 Gus 802
I doubt he would approve. That's one of the most blatantly pro-violence signs I've seen to date.
Oh I totally agree. He seems like a very decent, level headed person.
101 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:55:10pm |
re: #93 keithgabryelski
what? i just watched that -- she said "purple kool-aid".
Then she's conflating two events. It the was purple acid at Woodstock you were warned against taking. I don't know what color the Kook-Aid was at Jonestown.
That is one historically mixed-up old twit.
102 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:55:28pm |
re: #98 Gus 802
But if you crash the socialist fire department have the heavy cutting equipment..........
103 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:56:30pm |
re: #101 Cato the Elder
Then she's conflating two events. It the was purple acid at Woodstock you were warned against taking. I don't know what color the Kook-Aid was at Jonestown.
That is one historically mixed-up old twit.
not the purple, the brown...
105 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:56:45pm |
re: #101 Cato the Elder
At Jonestown they drank Strawberry Fla-Vor-Aid.
106 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:57:01pm |
re: #98 Gus 802
Yep. Watch your speed though because the Local Socialist Police have a lot of speed traps around those parts.
/
And those socialist police will save you from those glorious enterprising privateers trying commandeer your car stereo.
107 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:57:52pm |
re: #106 recusancy
And those socialist police will save you from those glorious enterprising privateers trying commandeer your car stereo.
But if they get caught, eventually they'll find themselves in the Socialist Penal House.
/
108 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:58:24pm |
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...] He's interesting to me for being a very early Christian.
You are correct, St. Thomas built on Augustine's ideas and brought forward more evolved Christian theology.
109 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:58:26pm |
As one who has put himself and those around him through the wringer over pointless and petty stuff, allow me to offer a few words of advice to the opponents and protestors we've seen lately. This stuff is applicable across-the-board, and covers nearly any contingency:
1) There's no point in getting worked up over it. Your input was neither solicited nor required for this thing. The constellations and planets have aligned in such a manner as to bring about this circumstance; you can no more affect it than you can the precession of the equinox, so learn to live with it.
2) It's folly in its purest form to mistake modern politics for statesmanship or soul-craft; that's not what we do here, and we're not equipped to even begin to sketch something like that out.
3) there's a cycle to these things, an ebb and flow, a pendulum's swing, as it were. You can no more predict the direction or the trend than you can pick the kentucky Derby winner 3 years out. Roll with the punches.
4) No matter what it is, it's not the worst thing that has ever happened to this or any other nation. Even if your worst fears are realized, remember that thus has it been ever; you just never noticed it before.
110 | keithgabryelski Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:58:35pm |
re: #101 Cato the Elder
Then she's conflating two events. It the was purple acid at Woodstock you were warned against taking. I don't know what color the Kook-Aid was at Jonestown.
That is one historically mixed-up old twit.
it was brown acid at woodstock.
111 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 1:59:25pm |
re: #99 HappyWarrior
I wonder what they think of Socialist Police Departments and Fire Departments. I don't think many people realize that police departments and fire departments especially used to be private and it would be really ugly. There's a great seen in Martin Scorcese's Gangs of New York where rival fire companies are actually fighting each other while a house burns down.
Some things the government can & should do better. And some things not.
112 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:00:33pm |
re: #107 Gus 802
But if they get caught, eventually they'll find themselves in the Socialist Penal House.
/
/ahhhh, finally true equality...
113 | HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:01:16pm |
re: #111 brookly red
Some things the government can & should do better. And some things not.
I agree with that. It's just some people act as if we've been totally free market capitalist for much of our history. Absolute free market capitalism bothers me as much as absolute Socialism and Communism.
114 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:02:21pm |
re: #112 brookly red
/ahhh, finally true equality...
But first they have to face there day in Socialist Court. And if they can't afford an attorney the court will appoint them a Socialist Defense Attorney.
/OK, I'm getting carried away here.
/
115 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:02:56pm |
They have replaced Kool-Aid with Kook-Aid.
Have some! (It turns your face orange.)
116 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:03:25pm |
re: #111 brookly red
Some things the government can & should do better. And some things not.
So you like some socialism?
117 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:04:09pm |
re: #115 Cato the Elder
They have replaced Kool-Aid with Kook-Aid.
Have some! (It turns your face orange.)
[Looks over at John Boehner.]
/
118 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:04:36pm |
119 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:05:08pm |
re: #101 Cato the Elder
Then she's conflating two events. It the was purple acid at Woodstock you were warned against taking. I don't know what color the Kook-Aid was at Jonestown.
That is one historically mixed-up old twit.
Brown acid at Woodstock. And although it was actually Flavor-Aid at Jonestown, the phrase "Drink the Kool-Aid" has stuck. And it was, indeed, grape flavored.
120 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:05:47pm |
re: #117 Gus 802
Thanks for looking so i don't have to do it.
He is the only elected republican of colour in either House...........
122 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:06:18pm |
re: #119 SixDegrees
Brown acid at Woodstock. And although it was actually Flavor-Aid at Jonestown, the phrase "Drink the Kool-Aid" has stuck. And it was, indeed, grape flavored.
Ah. I take it all back and declare myself a historically mixed-up old twit.
124 | simoom Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:07:21pm |
From Congressmen Mike Pence's Flickr Feed, the Congressman with "U.S. 2nd Revolution" flags at his back:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Not too exciting, but it's interesting they decided to have them up on the stage as the main backdrop to the speakers.
125 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:07:27pm |
re: #122 Cato the Elder
Ah. I take it all back and declare myself a historically mixed-up old twit.
Well, in fairness, when one passes the 2 millennia mark, the memory loses some of its sharpness.
126 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:07:37pm |
re: #118 recusancy
They must use the same spray.
The after image of seeing orange is blue. So if you close your eyes after seeing an orange face you'll see a blue face! That's why Boehner might make some people turn blue!
Seriously. Except for that last part.
127 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:07:51pm |
re: #116 recusancy
So you like some socialism?
Of course, things like the military, police & fire depts., peoples air traffic control etc. I can even see some virtue in public education... the common good and all that. Health care? No thank you.
128 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:08:19pm |
re: #127 brookly red
Of course, things like the military, police & fire depts., peoples air traffic control etc. I can even see some virtue in public education... the common good and all that. Health care? No thank you.
Health isn't a common good?
129 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:09:15pm |
re: #123 wozzablog
Heh! Haven't seen anyone who does the spray tan thing who doesn't have that orange tint. Must be something in the spray that reacts with the skin that does it.
130 | Joanne Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:10:19pm |
re: #127 brookly red
Health care? No thank you.
Why? What do health insurance companies add to the healthcare system?
131 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:10:23pm |
re: #127 brookly red
Of course, things like the military, police & fire depts., peoples air traffic control etc. I can even see some virtue in public education... the common good and all that. Health care? No thank you.
No on health care and the common good? What about local clinics, public hospitals, emergency care, etc? All of those are currently running. What about Medicaid and Medicare? Those are de facto health care systems already in place. What about the Veteran Administration hospitals and health care?
132 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:10:47pm |
I don't particularily like to be the poster of bad stuff, but as an FYI, here's Rep. John Lewis' response:
Asked if racial epithets were yelled at him, Lewis responded, "Yes but it's OK. I've heard this before in the 60s. A lot of this is just downright hate."
[Link: thehill.com...]
133 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:10:53pm |
re: #124 simoom
From Congressmen Mike Pence's Flickr Feed, the Congressman with "U.S. 2nd Revolution" flags at his back:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Nice.
I have a feeling that that image is why FOX zoomed in when a Congress Critter was speaking.
134 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:11:09pm |
re: #128 recusancy
Health isn't a common good?
Of course it is, BUT so is housing. Should we all live in projects?
135 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:12:02pm |
re: #130 JustJay
they never get between you and your doctor............
136 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:12:20pm |
re: #131 Gus 802
The VA does not take care of all vets. I found this out while unemployed. I made too much money the year before for VA to have anything to do with me.
137 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:13:26pm |
re: #134 brookly red
Of course it is, BUT so is housing. Should we all live in projects?
No. But we have the option to live in the projects.
138 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:13:31pm |
re: #130 JustJay
Why? What do health insurance companies add to the healthcare system?
Well if left alone to provide a service, they provide competition & accountability.
140 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:13:58pm |
re: #136 pingjockey
The VA does not take care of all vets. I found this out while unemployed. I made too much money the year before for VA to have anything to do with me.
Really? I didn't know that they did that. That's not right.
141 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:14:01pm |
re: #134 brookly red
Thats spurious.
Projects are there for those who can't afford to move up..... thats what the HCR Public Option was meant to do too.
People who want to keep their 2 car garage, three bedroom places in the gated communities can if they want.................
142 | Joanne Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:14:14pm |
re: #135 wozzablog
Right. Health insurance companies, the **real** death panels.
143 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:14:48pm |
144 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:15:15pm |
re: #137 recusancy
No. But we have the option to live in the projects.
and receive Medicaid... I prefer not to.
145 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:15:20pm |
re: #142 JustJay
And i'll bet they never lose the original copies of long form birth certificates..........
146 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:15:21pm |
This legislation won't nationalize health care. That's a myth.
147 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:15:29pm |
re: #141 wozzablog
Altho' we need less of that in general. The American mania with owning a house is a blight.
148 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:15:47pm |
re: #130 JustJay
Why? What do health insurance companies add to the healthcare system?
Currently, they're the only player in the provider-patient-coverage cohort that acts to lower costs.
149 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:16:21pm |
re: #138 brookly red
lol. Look up 'monopoly' and 'cartel'.
150 | Joanne Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:16:43pm |
re: #138 brookly red
Well if left alone to provide a service, they provide competition & accountability.
Wow! In what world do you live? Do you seriously believe that?
I'm floored. Stunned. Have you missed the stories of health insurer abuse just in the last year? Apparently so.
151 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:17:03pm |
re: #127 brookly red
Of course, things like the military, police & fire depts., peoples air traffic control etc. I can even see some virtue in public education... the common good and all that. Health care? No thank you.
Tell me that when your kid comes down with lymphoma and you find out it isn't covered because he once had the mumps.
152 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:17:09pm |
re: #149 windsagio
lol. Look up 'monopoly' and 'cartel'.
Health insurance companies are exempt from anti-trust laws... Hmmm, wonder why...
;)
153 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:17:10pm |
re: #148 SixDegrees
And again, whats with the sudden outpouring of love for the scummy coverage-denying, gouging insurance companies?
They're the only ones to lower costs!?!?!
154 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:17:45pm |
re: #147 windsagio
Same in Britiain.
Thatcer sold off many of our council estates/projects........... and well, who'd have thunk there would immediately be a housing shortage?
The free market - working for you.
155 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:17:57pm |
re: #152 Varek Raith
Health insurance companies are exempt from anti-trust laws... Hmmm, wonder why...
;)
Tort reform now!111!11!
156 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:17:58pm |
O politicians, I wish you did not have the power to put other people and other generations into hock.
157 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:18:20pm |
re: #147 windsagio
Altho' we need less of that in general. The American mania with owning a house is a blight.
it depends on the house. I was boring my fellow lizards here yesterday with a study I'm making of the cost of housing (home ownership) here in the US, using census data. Overall, the median new house, as a multiple of median income, as increased from 3X median income to closer to 5X median income over the past 40 or so years.
I'm working now to calculate median mortgage payments as a percentage of monthly take-home, to check my suspicions in that regard, but it does appear that we're spending a larger portion of our income on our houses.
158 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:18:20pm |
re: #149 windsagio
And the GOP are voting against measures to sort that out as we speak........
159 | recusancy Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:18:26pm |
re: #144 brookly red
and receive Medicaid... I prefer not to.
Then you're for expanding medicare and medicaid? Because right now you don't have the option to get those because you don't qualify.
160 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:18:31pm |
re: #140 Gus 802
I didn't like it but did understand. THe VA is overwhelmed with WWII and Korean vets plus the number of wounded vets from the ME wars who need help. So in their eyes if you aren't disabled, on a fixed income or completely indigent you're on your own. Not to mention, like any good gov't agency the VA is over staffed with drones doing nothing, producing nothing, and contributing nothing. BTW, the local VA clinic here has no one in the paperwork/admin dept who is a vet.
161 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:19:20pm |
re: #157 Guanxi88
The problem is that most people don't actually need houses, and its eating up our land and resources (gas and water, for instance) at a totally unacceptable rate.
162 | Joanne Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:19:25pm |
re: #148 SixDegrees
Currently, they're the only player in the provider-patient-coverage cohort that acts to lower costs.
If we had a publicoption or Medicare for all the costs would drop like a rock.
163 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:19:31pm |
re: #136 pingjockey
((pingjockey))
Nice to "see" you!
164 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:19:37pm |
re: #157 Guanxi88
Britain is the same, the average house now costs 15x yearly earnings at the lower end. People with good jobs were having to take out 100%+ mortgages to live anywhere near their job.
165 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:20:11pm |
re: #164 wozzablog
Britain is the same, the average house now costs 15x yearly earnings at the lower end. People with good jobs were having to take out 100%+ mortgages to live anywhere near their job.
And people wonder why we don't live as well as previous generations?
166 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:20:26pm |
Lost in this debate is the actually
167 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:20:47pm |
Looking over the various news report on this, I suspect this is going to pass. That's good.
168 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:20:57pm |
re: #162 JustJay
US costs are 30% higher for covering fewer people per capita than the rest of the western democracies combined.
170 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:21:05pm |
re: #158 wozzablog
Theres the group of democratic and independant senators from the 'state of insurance company' that are helping them too, just to be fair :P
171 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:21:21pm |
Again the lines are drawn, of course we need some reforms but I don't see this particular piece of legislation as providing them to my satisfaction. We can discuss the fine points till hell freezes over, but what is the point? The lines are drawn.
172 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:21:22pm |
re: #161 windsagio
The problem is that most people don't actually need houses, and its eating up our land and resources (gas and water, for instance) at a totally unacceptable rate.
Well, that side of it, of course. But in places where open land is cheap, it makes some measure of sense to dodge the flat/townhome thing if possible.
173 | simoom Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:21:44pm |
re: #145 wozzablog
And i'll bet they never lose the original copies of long form birth certificates...
"Where is the long form birth certificate?" sign from today's rally:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
174 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:21:44pm |
re: #147 windsagio
Not so, IMHO. Having your own place is a very important part of freedom.
175 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:22:29pm |
re: #167 Walter L. Newton
Looking over the various news report on this, I suspect this is going to pass. That's good.
They better hurry because at the rate I'm going I'll end up in a hospital surrounded by a team of doctors who will say to themselves, "we can rebuild him."
/
176 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:22:35pm |
re: #154 wozzablog
Same in Britiain.
Thatcer sold off many of our council estates/projects... and well, who'd have thunk there would immediately be a housing shortage?
The free market - working for you.
plenty of houses at wholesale prices... how do you feel about living in Detroit?
177 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:23:04pm |
re: #174 Ojoe
Depending on the place, its the kind of freedom that makes everything a little bit worse .
Just because you have that kind of right doesn't mean its good to take advantage of it :P
178 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:23:21pm |
re: #174 Ojoe
Thats a luxury to those who can't find anywhere to even rent.
179 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:23:47pm |
re: #176 brookly red
plenty of houses at wholesale prices... how do you feel about living in Detroit?
Place is becoming re-wilded something fierce, here and there. A great opportunity, as I see it, for a new generation of pioneers. Not for me, but for certain hardy souls, just the thing.
180 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:23:52pm |
re: #176 brookly red
cheap housing in Love canal and Centralia (PA) too >>
//actually not in the latter, but its funny to say >
181 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:23:53pm |
re: #173 simoom
"Where is the long form birth certificate?" sign from today's rally:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
The design of their signs makes me think they have a day-care center or something.
182 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:24:00pm |
re: #153 windsagio
And again, whats with the sudden outpouring of love for the scummy coverage-denying, gouging insurance companies?
They're the only ones to lower costs!?!?!
Who else is acting to lower costs? The doctors and hospitals? The pharmaceutical companies? The patients?
The patients would be the most likely group to do so, but they're typically insulated from the actual costs by insurance plans, and don't much care if a procedure costs $50 or $5000 if all they see is a $25 copay either way.
Insurance companies actively work to reduce the cost of medical services. I'm not aware of any other players at the moment who do, or who do so much.
For a very detailed look at health insurance, how it came to be the way it is and related topics like prescription copays and their effect on drug prices, I highly recommend this episode of This America Life. Very well done, and often surprising.
183 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:24:15pm |
re: #175 Gus 802
They better hurry because at the rate I'm going I'll end up in a hospital surrounded by a team of doctors who will say to themselves, "we can rebuild him."
/
Does it cover cyberization? I'd so be for that!
184 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:24:34pm |
re: #165 Guanxi88
We live less well because of the growth of the rentier class.
185 | Joanne Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:24:56pm |
re: #168 wozzablog
US costs are 30% higher for covering fewer people per capita than the rest of the western democracies combined.
For lesser care. Only if you have a good plan do you get good care. And all those who say Go to the emergency room...we ALL pay for that in higher premiums. Not to mention there's no long term care in the ER.
186 | simoom Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:25:10pm |
Another misspelled sign:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Stop Dictator Hussen ObamaThe Party of Know
187 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:25:34pm |
re: #160 pingjockey
I didn't like it but did understand. THe VA is overwhelmed with WWII and Korean vets plus the number of wounded vets from the ME wars who need help. So in their eyes if you aren't disabled, on a fixed income or completely indigent you're on your own. Not to mention, like any good gov't agency the VA is over staffed with drones doing nothing, producing nothing, and contributing nothing. BTW, the local VA clinic here has no one in the paperwork/admin dept who is a vet.
The Pentagon also does its part to keep down costs by discharging vets with serious head injuries etc. under the heading "pre-existing condition", thus denying them any and all VA benefits for battle-related symptoms like PTSD.
Because, you know, those pre-existing conditions like emotional volatility, psych problems, debilitating phobias, etc., were there at the time of enlistment but somehow didn't manifest until Pvt. Joe Johnson made the mistake of getting too close to an IED one fine Baghdad morning.
But I must be lying, because nothing's too good for our men and women in uniform.
Epic feh.
188 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:25:37pm |
re: #159 recusancy
Then you're for expanding medicare and medicaid? Because right now you don't have the option to get those because you don't qualify.
what part of prefer not to did you not understand?
190 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:25:50pm |
191 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:25:58pm |
re: #178 wozzablog
The situation you mention is a bad one & shows how this country has lost its common let's pull together spirit.
192 | HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:26:07pm |
re: #186 simoom
Another misspelled sign:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Nothing like a dictator who allows you keep your misspelled signs.
193 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:26:11pm |
re: #36 wrenchwench
How Mr. Obama will feel if HCR does not pass.
[Video]
If it does not pass, I'll feel like the dragonfly.
194 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:26:16pm |
re: #173 simoom
"Where is the long form birth certificate?" sign from today's rally:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
What is a "long form" BC anyway?
(Asking this question on the way out the door to take my lazy ass 18 year old, who is still living at home and on our insurance whilst not taking responsibility for himself, to work)
/
195 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:26:36pm |
re: #184 Ojoe
We live less well because of the growth of the rentier class.
There's no denying that, sad to say. To take but two examples:
1) Taxation. here, property tax funds most things, and, amazingly enough, since most voters aren't property owners, property taxes continue upward every year;
2) Rental income has become a factor in the valuation of residential real estate. Quite often, it's a better deal, economically, to commit a unit to rental use than to try to sell it for owner-occupancy. Feeds into the problem in (1), above, of course.
196 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:26:44pm |
re: #182 SixDegrees
I grant you that pharma is part of the question.
The thing is the way our pharmaceuticals and insurance works is the main difference between our healthcare and the rest o the first world, and as has been said, we spend waaay more money to cover a smaller% of the people.
Given that circumstance, the suspects for the higher costs would be~~?
197 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:28:04pm |
re: #195 Guanxi88
All this will eventually lead to either some sort of revolution or a lot of Eloi.
198 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:28:12pm |
re: #194 webevintage
What is a "long form" BC anyway?
That's the form that's long enough to satisfy all birther questions. It's issued by the Republic of Erewhon.
199 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:28:18pm |
All this insurance cost/benefits is very interesting to me. Just got the copy of the bill sent to my insurance for cancer surgery(neck) and a 4 day stay at UW medical Center....25,000 bucks. The room was 1440.00 a day. It's gonna be interesting when my creditors find out we'll be declaring bankruptcy due to me being out of work for recovery and no money coming in.
200 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:28:22pm |
re: #162 JustJay
If we had a publicoption or Medicare for all the costs would drop like a rock.
Not at all clear. The Medicaid reform contained in the current HCR bill is there because so many doctors were pulling out of the system due to tightly controlled reimbursement that many urban areas were left with few if any doctors willing to participate in the system, leaving a whole lot of Medicaid recipients without access to any care at all. Sure, if you extend a governmental iron fist over all medical care, it's possible to control costs completely, although that raises a host of other questions over quality of care, and the difference between perceived "costs" and actual costs.
Meanwhile, in the present system, I'm not aware of anyone other than the insurance companies who act to restrain costs.
201 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:28:27pm |
202 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:28:29pm |
I also would prefer not to eat in any establishment that hails it self 'home of the peoples burger"...
203 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:28:45pm |
re: #195 Guanxi88
There's no denying that, sad to say. To take but two examples:
1) Taxation. here, property tax funds most things, and, amazingly enough, since most voters aren't property owners, property taxes continue upward every year;
2) Rental income has become a factor in the valuation of residential real estate. Quite often, it's a better deal, economically, to commit a unit to rental use than to try to sell it for owner-occupancy. Feeds into the problem in (1), above, of course.
And during a recession, when people back-burner their property taxes, government services at the local level get squeezed. They can't just up and sell bonds to the Chinese to cover the shortfall.
204 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:29:10pm |
re: #191 Ojoe
The situation you mention is a bad one & shows how this country has lost its common let's pull together spirit.
16 y/o scotch........... if you are buying ;-)
205 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:29:32pm |
re: #195 Guanxi88
I'm not a big fan of the largescale social engineering that what I'm about to say might imply, but~ The fact that its getting harder and more expensive to own a home doesn't change the fact that the 'everyone must own a home' model is deeply flawed. Smaller units closer in (or closer to public transit) would be better for everyone.
In places like LA, or LV, things like lawns are (or shojuld be) borderline criminal.
Or maybe we can just compromise on the idea of 'no new house building' >>
206 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:29:38pm |
re: #197 Ojoe
All this will eventually lead to either some sort of revolution or a lot of Eloi.
To quote Madge the Manicurist from those old Palmolive ads:
"you're soaking in it now."
207 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:29:55pm |
re: #187 Cato the Elder
It's enough to make me cry and has in frustration and rage. It just boggles the mind sometimes the thought processes the bean counters at the VA use.
208 | suchislife Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:30:12pm |
re: #43 Guanxi88
Overall, a nice little speech. Didn't soar too awfully much, nor did it devolve into a Clintonian empathy-orgy. Struck a good balance between rallying the troops and preparing them for the worst eventuality.
On the whole, I rank it as one of the better short performances in the genre.
Ezra Klein just tweeted
"Asked WH for text on Prez's speech. They said it wasn't pre-written. He was just talking. It's like there's a teleprompter IN HIS BRAIN."
[Link: twitter.com...]
210 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:30:31pm |
re: #199 pingjockey
All this insurance cost/benefits is very interesting to me. Just got the copy of the bill sent to my insurance for cancer surgery(neck) and a 4 day stay at UW medical Center...25,000 bucks. The room was 1440.00 a day. It's gonna be interesting when my creditors find out we'll be declaring bankruptcy due to me being out of work for recovery and no money coming in.
IIRC, that's the most common reason for declaring bankruptcy. So nobody will be surprised.
{{ping}}
211 | simoom Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:30:31pm |
[Link: tweetphoto.com...]
Pelosi Pimps the People
[Link: twitpic.com...]
Pelosi Congress
More Tricks than a Prostitute
[Link: twitpic.com...]
2010 Obama Heritage Tour
~ Inspire by ~
Karl Marx
Hawaii
Indonesia
Kenya
"ReDiscovering My Roots"
212 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:31:27pm |
re: #205 windsagio
I'm not a big fan of the largescale social engineering that what I'm about to say might imply, but~ The fact that its getting harder and more expensive to own a home doesn't change the fact that the 'everyone must own a home' model is deeply flawed. Smaller units closer in (or closer to public transit) would be better for everyone.
In places like LA, or LV, things like lawns are (or shojuld be) borderline criminal.
Or maybe we can just compromise on the idea of 'no new house building' >>
/what is this Israel now???
213 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:31:33pm |
re: #208 suchislife
gotta admit, that's a freakin' great line.
215 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:32:22pm |
re: #207 pingjockey
It's the marketisation - always think of the bottom line. How much money can you save per procedure - not how many patients can you save per $$.
216 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:32:23pm |
re: #199 pingjockey
All this insurance cost/benefits is very interesting to me. Just got the copy of the bill sent to my insurance for cancer surgery(neck) and a 4 day stay at UW medical Center...25,000 bucks. The room was 1440.00 a day. It's gonna be interesting when my creditors find out we'll be declaring bankruptcy due to me being out of work for recovery and no money coming in.
Very sorry to hear that.
217 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:32:23pm |
218 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:32:31pm |
re: #212 brookly red
hahaha I like that!
I just hate urban sprawl, and one of hte reasons that Portland is so much nicer (for me) than Seattle, is because they have strict zoning laws, and you can actually get out of the city easily.
219 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:32:33pm |
re: #205 windsagio
I'm not a big fan of the largescale social engineering that what I'm about to say might imply, but~ The fact that its getting harder and more expensive to own a home doesn't change the fact that the 'everyone must own a home' model is deeply flawed. Smaller units closer in (or closer to public transit) would be better for everyone.
In places like LA, or LV, things like lawns are (or shojuld be) borderline criminal.
Or maybe we can just compromise on the idea of 'no new house building' >>
Real trick is to inform and remind people of what a house is and should be, and what it is not, and to help them keep the practicality of the thing foremost in their minds. For some, they may realize, as we did, that a smaller, older house makes more sense than a newer one, and that, in many cases, one gets far better value from the older designs than the new ones.
As for lawns and suchlike, well, I think they're wasteful in the extreme, and I was shocked at how green Vegas' neighborhoods were (such a waste in a thirsty land), but i doubt one could do anything to stop the folly, short of pricing water according to its actual value.
220 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:32:47pm |
re: #214 pingjockey
Really? Did not know that.
Yes, and I hope you don't feel bad about it. It's not your fault.
221 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:32:49pm |
Intrade has 'Obamacare' health reform to become law before midnight 30 Jun
86.6 bid by 87.00 ask
222 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:34:49pm |
re: #196 windsagio
I grant you that pharma is part of the question.
The thing is the way our pharmaceuticals and insurance works is the main difference between our healthcare and the rest o the first world, and as has been said, we spend waaay more money to cover a smaller% of the people.
Given that circumstance, the suspects for the higher costs would be~~?
Doctors and pharmaceutical companies.
Take an hour and listen to that This American Life episode. It's well worth it, and often surprising. Insurance companies have had very good success containing and even reducing the cost of prescriptions, which is the focus of an entire segment.
The real problem with insurance, which is also addressed in the episode, is that insurance hides the costs from both providers and recipients, creating enormous distortions in the marketplace. An interesting idea, presented through the example of prescription copays, is to use some sort of proxy cost mechanism so consumers are exposed to some sort of cost, without being crippled by it.
223 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:35:02pm |
re: #220 wrenchwench
I kinda do and don't. Shit happens and it just happened to land on me, it's life and that's just the way it is.
224 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:36:13pm |
re: #207 pingjockey
It's enough to make me cry and has in frustration and rage. It just boggles the mind sometimes the thought processes the bean counters at the VA use.
In these cases it doesn't even get to the VA. The Pentagon docs make the decision at the time the wounded vet is discharged.
There is an appeals process, but it ain't pretty.
Can you imagine signing up to serve your country, getting nearly blown up (and two of your buddies actually dying, say), coming back with permanent ringing in your ears, night sweats, nightmares, and debilitating insomnia, for example, and then being told you were unstable to begin with? Discharged with no benefits and told to go to the fucking emergency room when things get bad?
225 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:36:27pm |
re: #204 wozzablog
The people who can help get the housing crisis sorted in the UK are the absentee tenants, second home owners, buy-to-let landlords and the owners of decaying properties who refise to relaese them - at financial benefit to themselves to ease the burden.
People like them never had community spirit. They believed Magrat when she said there was no such thing as society.
In the UK - conservatives killed society - or tried to, for electoral reasons. People in communities tended to vote Labour - if they destroyed the communities they could ease out labour.
226 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:37:49pm |
227 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:38:13pm |
re: #223 pingjockey
I kinda do and don't. Shit happens and it just happened to land on me, it's life and that's just the way it is.
Make sure the kids don't feel bad about it either. There is no reason for that. It's just how things work the way they are set up now. Might be different in the future.
228 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:38:38pm |
re: #224 Cato the Elder
I didn't know it was Pentagon docs! That sounds like orders from upstairs somewhere to me. If you are accepted into the military and pass all the damn tests and boot camp you are not "unstable" to begin with. What a crock.
229 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:38:55pm |
re: #224 Cato the Elder
One of the main planks in the Modern Whig platform is to take much better care of veterans.
BBL
230 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:38:59pm |
re: #219 Guanxi88
I think we can get along on that, I guess the other thing I'd add, is that you shouldn't make owning a house and property a moral value in and of itself.
For some people (say you have alot of kids) its really necessary, I'll admit that :)
231 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:40:17pm |
re: #227 wrenchwench
The only folks feeling bad will be a couple of credit card companies, who got freakin' bailout money anyway!
232 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:40:21pm |
re: #225 wozzablog
Not doubting you, but I'd never heard that.
Did she really say there was no society? That's pretty wacky.
233 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:40:26pm |
re: #226 wozzablog
Pro soldier but not Pro veteran.
Govt policy.
Exactly why I don't want them touching MY health care... I don't want my current usefulness to be a factor is deciding my care, and like it or not that is what government does.
234 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:40:51pm |
re: #229 Ojoe
I bet that's a gimme in almost every party (at least they'd say it :p)
235 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:40:53pm |
236 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:41:37pm |
re: #233 brookly red
you can say that with a straight face despite all the spurious reasons insurance companies use to deny coverage?
237 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:41:37pm |
re: #233 brookly red
I think that's a bit harsh, but it'd still be better than "We'll take any excuse to deny you care, whether you're useful or not!"
238 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:41:40pm |
re: #230 windsagio
I think we can get along on that, I guess the other thing I'd add, is that you shouldn't make owning a house and property a moral value in and of itself.
For some people (say you have alot of kids) its really necessary, I'll admit that :)
Is housing a human right?
240 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:41:50pm |
re: #199 pingjockey
All this insurance cost/benefits is very interesting to me. Just got the copy of the bill sent to my insurance for cancer surgery(neck) and a 4 day stay at UW medical Center...25,000 bucks. The room was 1440.00 a day. It's gonna be interesting when my creditors find out we'll be declaring bankruptcy due to me being out of work for recovery and no money coming in.
Before you do that, see if you can get them to put you on some kind of hardship deferral. It may involve talking to someone higher up than the phonebot in the call center.
{{pingjockey}}
/and congratulations on your survival
241 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:42:03pm |
re: #232 windsagio
Not doubting you, but I'd never heard that.
Did she really say there was no society? That's pretty wacky.
"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."
Prime minister Margaret Thatcher, talking to Women's Own magazine, October 31 1987
242 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:42:16pm |
re: #231 pingjockey
The only folks feeling bad will be a couple of credit card companies, who got freakin' bailout money anyway!
They will be the LEAST surprised.
244 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:43:13pm |
re: #238 Walter L. Newton
Lord, that's a toughy. I'd say trying to guarantee shelter is or should be a major part of the social contract.
On the other hand, there'll always be a % that just aren't meaningfully houseable (usually for mental illness reasons)
245 | reine.de.tout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:43:27pm |
re: #219 Guanxi88
Real trick is to inform and remind people of what a house is and should be, and what it is not, and to help them keep the practicality of the thing foremost in their minds. For some, they may realize, as we did, that a smaller, older house makes more sense than a newer one, and that, in many cases, one gets far better value from the older designs than the new ones.
As for lawns and suchlike, well, I think they're wasteful in the extreme, and I was shocked at how green Vegas' neighborhoods were (such a waste in a thirsty land), but i doubt one could do anything to stop the folly, short of pricing water according to its actual value.
Much of the cost of new homes is the luxury that people want in them - the fancy bathroom and kitchens particularly.
Habitat for Humanity builds very nice, well-built modest homes at very reasonable cost. But few people want that.
Guanxi - I'm with you, my house is a smaller, older home, we have a few things to fix, but the house is mine, free and clear, and fixing it costs less than a mortgage on a new house.
246 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:43:57pm |
re: #238 Walter L. Newton
Is housing a human right?
Is housing a human right when one is no longer able to build their own habitat or structure such as a log cabin on what was once range land or prairies?
247 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:44:13pm |
re: #240 The Sanity Inspector
Thanks. UW medical and the local clinic here will be taken care of. It's the plastic and a couple other things that are biting us in the ass!
249 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:44:25pm |
250 | suchislife Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:44:27pm |
re: #241 Guanxi88
I appreciate you finding the quote and posting it, but I really can't bring myself to upding that.
251 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:44:38pm |
re: #236 wozzablog
you can say that with a straight face despite all the spurious reasons insurance companies use to deny coverage?
say what?
re: #226 wozzablog
Pro soldier but not Pro veteran.
Govt policy.
Exactly why I don't want them touching MY health care... I don't want my current usefulness to be a factor is deciding my care, and like it or not that is what government does.
you got a problem with the way government handles things talk to 226...
252 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:44:39pm |
Paleo-principles do not apply to the modern landscape.
253 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:44:41pm |
re: #245 reine.de.tout
Habitat Homes, and I've looked at a ton of them, are some of the best, most efficiently-designed residences being made today. They meet every purpose for which they are intended without having an 'institutional' feel to them.
254 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:44:51pm |
re: #233 brookly red
Exactly why I don't want them touching MY health care... I don't want my current usefulness to be a factor is deciding my care, and like it or not that is what government does.
That's bullshit. I worked for the Department of Energy for 13 years. I will assure you, the were many, many useless people working there and their value to the department had nothing to do with the fact that they had a job that was near next to impossible to be fired from.
Our government reveres uselessness.
255 | FullRoller Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:45:03pm |
re: #25 Guanxi88
"I've been in your shoes; I know what it is to take a tough vote."
Right...... How many times did he vote "present"?
256 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:45:04pm |
re: #250 suchislife
exactly. It was a dark time in politics (in both the US and Britian :p)
257 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:45:19pm |
re: #237 windsagio
I think that's a bit harsh, but it'd still be better than "We'll take any excuse to deny you care, whether you're useful or not!"
it is what it is.
258 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:45:39pm |
re: #199 pingjockey
You might also contact the hospital, to see if they can help you work out the situation. Debt reduction means some payment, bankruptcy means none. Heck they might find a job for you there, to help!
Good luck!
259 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:46:14pm |
re: #257 brookly red
actually it isn't that at all, but even if it were it'd be better than what we have now.
I'll spare you the whole spiel about generalizing from single anecdotes, I'm sure you've heard it before. :p
260 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:46:17pm |
re: #246 Gus 802
Is housing a human right when one is no longer able to build their own habitat or structure such as a log cabin on what was once range land or prairies?
Gus... I asked... I don't have an answer.
261 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:46:26pm |
re: #238 Walter L. Newton
Having somewhere to live rented or otherwise at all and owning a second property purely for the purpose of investment are not inclusive concepts.
262 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:46:37pm |
re: #254 Walter L. Newton
That's bullshit. I worked for the Department of Energy for 13 years. I will assure you, the were many, many useless people working there and their value to the department had nothing to do with the fact that they had a job that was near next to impossible to be fired from.
Our government reveres uselessness.
you do have a point, but they only revere their own uselessness.
263 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:47:29pm |
re: #258 Floral Giraffe
Thanks, we already set a thing up with the hospital. It's just everything else has to come 2nd.
264 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:47:32pm |
The sooner people, as individuals and as nations, realize the benefit and wisdom of living beneath their means, the sooner the long-drawn-out slide and decline can be, if not reversed, at least delayed.
It's wanting to live like kings that gets people into trouble, and even if you can pay for a thing, it doesn't mean you can afford it.
265 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:47:49pm |
re: #261 wozzablog
Schadenfreude is bad, but I admit I got a kick out of seeing all the mcmansion speculators taking a bath when the bubble burst.
Those guys are crabs in society's pubes.
266 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:48:04pm |
re: #251 brookly red
Under the HCR plan for the public option........ it's the same hospitals, doctors and nurses recomending care.
It was a plan that would not deny anyone coverage for any reason.
Your argument makes no sense.
267 | reine.de.tout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:48:15pm |
re: #253 Guanxi88
Habitat Homes, and I've looked at a ton of them, are some of the best, most efficiently-designed residences being made today. They meet every purpose for which they are intended without having an 'institutional' feel to them.
Yes, indeed.
They've held up better in some storms than newer McMansion-style homes have.
268 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:48:19pm |
re: #256 windsagio
exactly. It was a dark time in politics (in both the US and Britian :p)
This is a dark times in US politics. A President who can not lead shoving legislation through so he can leave his mark on society.
269 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:48:43pm |
re: #264 Guanxi88
Oh so sadly painfully true. On the other hand, us being a debt-based society makes the rest of teh world rich! Too bad its to our own detriment >>
270 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:48:54pm |
re: #261 wozzablog
Having somewhere to live rented or otherwise at all and owning a second property purely for the purpose of investment are not inclusive concepts.
I don't know what you are talking about? I ask a simple question. I shelter a human right? That's all. I don't have an answer.
271 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:49:04pm |
re: #265 windsagio
Schadenfreude is bad, but I admit I got a kick out of seeing all the mcmansion speculators taking a bath when the bubble burst.
Those guys are crabs in society's pubes.
Too bad we had to take a blowtorch to the area to get rid of them.
272 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:49:33pm |
re: #260 Walter L. Newton
Gus... I asked... I don't have an answer.
OK, I don't have an answer either. I think a good approach is to think of it in terms of giving people the ability to access housing. That is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness which is difficult to attain in a service economy to being with let alone during a recession. And during better times in between this cycle of boom and bust it is also difficult to attain when greed has driven employment and manufacturing overseas.
273 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:49:37pm |
re: #271 Guanxi88
Sometimes the solution is worse than the problem :P
274 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:50:16pm |
re: #272 Gus 802
Again, (Thatcher aside) its worth thinking of it in terms of the social contract, not 'human rights'.
275 | reine.de.tout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:50:38pm |
re: #264 Guanxi88
The sooner people, as individuals and as nations, realize the benefit and wisdom of living beneath their means, the sooner the long-drawn-out slide and decline can be, if not reversed, at least delayed.
It's wanting to live like kings that gets people into trouble, and even if you can pay for a thing, it doesn't mean you can afford it.
The Roi has always insisted we live below our means. I will admit there have been times when it's grated at me - but right now, I'm perfectly happy I was able to retire at age 54, and we are financially secure and will be able to send the kid to college without her having to take out student loans. Can't ask for much better than that.
276 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:50:47pm |
re: #238 Walter L. Newton
Is housing a human right?
How about property insurance? Should there be an entitlement for that kind of insurance? Say a struggling small mom and pop business is scraping bottom in this recession. They can't afford insurance on their building anymore, so they let it drop. Then it burns down. There they are, knocked flat with a massive financial hit, the labor of possibly decades gone in an hour. They set up a fund for donations at the neighborhood bank, but there's no way they can make good that way. Ought not the government, say maybe the SBA, step in and make them whole, rather than having them spend the next ten years delivering pizzas trying to claw their way back?
/Thoughts prompted by a real life happenstance in my general area.
277 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:50:47pm |
re: #270 Walter L. Newton
I don't know what you are talking about? I ask a simple question. I shelter a human right? That's all. I don't have an answer.
Interesting... it is if you are a prisoner of war, but not if you are a working person.
278 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:50:53pm |
re: #254 Walter L. Newton
Our government reveres uselessness.
Which is why I am so concerned about this major increase in the scope of our government. It scares the hell out of me. There are very few examples of past success stories.
279 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:50:55pm |
re: #268 Lateralis
Yes that's totally why he's doing it.
Health care reform is all about Barry.
Yup, that's it.
280 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:51:10pm |
re: #270 Walter L. Newton
Basic shelter that accomodates ones needs - i would postulate - is a human right.
Owning property for the purposes of speculation that drives up a massive bubble is not a right.
simple enough?
281 | Kruk Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:51:20pm |
re: #80 wozzablog
Hell, in the UK our Conservative Party *believes* in Social Justice...making the rich pay taxes and healthcare for everyone.
The average UK Conservative MP would be considered a raving Communist agitator in the US. Sad, but true.
282 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:52:37pm |
re: #132 Stanley Sea
I don't particularily like to be the poster of bad stuff, but as an FYI, here's Rep. John Lewis' response:
[Link: thehill.com...]
It (and other instances of hate) are making the rounds of the newswires:
Tea Partiers Heckle Dems With Racist, Homophobic Slurs
Tea Partiers protesting the health care bill in Washington hurled racist and homophobic epithets at two Democratic Congressmen and reportedly tried to spit on a black Democratic legislator prior to President Obama's speech before House Dems this afternoon.
Rep. John Lewis was called "the N-word" when he was on the floor of the House earlier today by "a heckler from the Tea Party, a protestor," Kristie Grecho, a press secretary for House Majority Whip James Clyburn, said this afternoon. She added that another protestor allegedly tried to spit upon Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, another black Democrat, as he was walking from the Longsworth House building to attend Obama's speech. In a separate incident today, Rep. Barney Frank, who is openly gay, was called a "fag" as he was leaving the Longsworth building.
[...]
283 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:52:40pm |
285 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:53:11pm |
re: #281 Kruk
The average UK Conservative MP would be considered a raving Communist agitator in the US. Sad, but true.
Sad for whom?
286 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:53:15pm |
re: #275 reine.de.tout
Exactly - just because you can afford something does not always make it the best thing to buy.
I could by a pair of brand new calvin klein jeans, or 5 pairs of jeans that'll last me more than 5 times as long and still cost less.
Depends if you are fixated on labels or status. those who are not tend to live better.
287 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:53:29pm |
Firefox easter egg:
type about:robots in the URL bar.
288 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:53:31pm |
re: #275 reine.de.tout
The Roi has always insisted we live below our means. I will admit there have been times when it's grated at me - but right now, I'm perfectly happy I was able to retire at age 54, and we are financially secure and will be able to send the kid to college without her having to take out student loans. Can't ask for much better than that.
I've finally managed to persuade the Bitter Half of the need to do this. It took better than a decade of back-to-back "look, we'll get through this" financial crises for her to understand the wisdom of getting as much as you can for as little as possible, and she' finally embraced the down-sized life (which is really just a better version of how our parents and grandparents, the ones who built and sustained the West, lived) as a positive good.
289 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:53:52pm |
290 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:54:02pm |
re: #278 Racer X
Which is why I am so concerned about this major increase in the scope of our government. It scares the hell out of me. There are very few examples of past success stories.
Heh, because conservatives have been so good on reducing government.
;)
291 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:54:24pm |
re: #279 windsagio
Yes that's totally why he's doing it.
Health care reform is all about Barry.
Yup, that's it.
Congress would not be considering the actions they are if it was not about his Presidency going in the toilet the first year and calling it Health Care reform. This is transformation of a system that is not perfect and needs fixing but not transformation.
292 | Taqyia2Me Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:54:53pm |
293 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:54:58pm |
Old time politician passes away:
I seem to have generally positive memories of him.
294 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:55:00pm |
re: #290 Varek Raith
Heh, because conservatives have been so good on reducing government.
;)
Sad but true. Sad but true.
295 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:55:08pm |
re: #280 wozzablog
Basic shelter that accomodates ones needs - i would postulate - is a human right.
Owning property for the purposes of speculation that drives up a massive bubble is not a right.
simple enough?
Real estate monopolies, price fixing and anti-trust behavior is certainly not a right. One will find that real estate values and rentals are based on a form of market collusion.
Through planning and zoning one can create and environment that provides housing that is affordable for the less fortunate. Even in high rent districts. This is a matter of survival even for the upper class elite that require the housing of service employees. The same is true for production.
296 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:55:19pm |
re: #290 Varek Raith
Heh, because conservatives have been so good on reducing government.
;)
Let me clarify:
Dems suck.
GOP sucks.
Does that help?
297 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:55:24pm |
Housing is not a "right". Ask the farm workers here. Folks built mcmansions but not rental units due to growth management bs. Now the rental vacancy is about 1% and the local city council has pulled what that city in Conn. did. Rezoned a trailer park, kicked out the renters and sold the property to a development corporation.
298 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:55:34pm |
re: #280 wozzablog
Basic shelter that accomodates ones needs - i would postulate - is a human right.
Owning property for the purposes of speculation that drives up a massive bubble is not a right.
simple enough?
Why are you challenging me? You're second point is nothing I even touched on. You mentioned the first time to me in your last comment. I just got here a few minutes ago, and I saw a few questions about housing, and so, I asked a simple, one subject question.
I didn't ask about property investment for this, that or anything. Why did you even go there?
299 | suchislife Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:55:36pm |
re: #274 windsagio
re: #272 Gus 802
OK, I don't have an answer either. I think a good approach is to think of it in terms of giving people the ability to access housing. That is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness which is difficult to attain in a service economy to being with let alone during a recession. And during better times in between this cycle of boom and bust it is also difficult to attain when greed has driven employment and manufacturing overseas.
I wonder, have you ever heard of the capability approach in political theory?
300 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:55:51pm |
301 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:56:02pm |
302 | Joanne Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:56:31pm |
re: #268 Lateralis
This is a dark times in US politics. A President who can not lead shoving legislation through so he can leave his mark on society.
Funny, it looks like he's leading us to a historic vote on healthcare - and doing a good job of it. Sure looks like it's going to pass. How can you say that's not leadership?
You can dislike or disagree with him but I think it's a stretch to say he can't lead.
303 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:56:37pm |
re: #270 Walter L. Newton
I don't know what you are talking about? I ask a simple question. I shelter a human right? That's all. I don't have an answer.
Needs are natural, rights are invented. If the majority in a representative republic regards something as a right, it is regarded as one (a dissenting minority may have other views).
304 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:56:43pm |
re: #298 Walter L. Newton
Why are you challenging me? You're second point is nothing I even touched on. You mentioned the first time to me in your last comment. I just got here a few minutes ago, and I saw a few questions about housing, and so, I asked a simple, one subject question.
I didn't ask about property investment for this, that or anything. Why did you even go there?
/they are programed to do so...
305 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:57:16pm |
re: #291 Lateralis
It was in his manifesto to do first - ahead of cap and trade, renewables, etc............
The bill has been toned down from what the president wanted - your analysis is entirely flawed.
307 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:57:35pm |
re: #298 Walter L. Newton
he's expounding on the point (to my mind), your question could be seen as kind of disingenuous anyways.
As it is, you're reading as just wanting to pick a fight.
308 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:57:45pm |
re: #300 TheMatrix31
Yay! That gives us an excuse to expand it MUCH more!
/
Why sarc what you really mean?
;)
Shrinking the size of government is a pipe dream, pure and simple.
309 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:57:48pm |
re: #300 TheMatrix31
Yay! That gives us an excuse to expand it MUCH more!
/
I get tired of the "but the GOP did this / that" retort.
They both suck. Ass.
Politics suck. Politicians suck.
/I'm in a sucky mood today I guess.
310 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:58:07pm |
re: #302 JustJay
Funny, it looks like he's leading us to a historic vote on healthcare - and doing a good job of it. Sure looks like it's going to pass. How can you say that's not leadership?
You can dislike or disagree with him but I think it's a stretch to say he can't lead.
lead would imply consent...
311 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:58:54pm |
re: #308 Varek Raith
That's why I don't want this shit to pass. It's irreversible.
312 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:59:02pm |
Housing is not a right yet eminent domain is a right?
313 | jvic Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:59:17pm |
Here is how this conservative-tilting libertarian stopped working against the bill.
I made a list of Congresspeople to call. After calling a couple, I checked in at The Corner to find Kathryn Lopez chatting about co-hosting a broadcast with Rick Santorum...and Tom DeLay himself called in!
Afaic Santorum is a synonym for stupid; DeLay, for corrupt. I was not pleased.
Then she tried to fire me up with this video.
My palm smacked my forehead. They think we've forgotten how crazy and corrupt and dumb and incompetent they are. They think they have the rubes marching to their tune again.
I made no more calls.
I hope the bill is defeated. If it passes as seems likely, I'll go on from there. I'm picking my battles. Stoicism is a virtue that merits revival.
As for reinstating my subscription to National Review? Fuhgedaboudit.
You betcha.
314 | suchislife Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:59:17pm |
re: #301 Gus 802
I don't think I can summarize it succinctly right at this minute, but your comment that we should secure people an ability, instead of just focusing on a right made me think of it.
315 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:59:20pm |
re: #308 Varek Raith
Shrinking the size of government is a pipe dream, pure and simple.
Uncontrolled government expansion will be the ruin of us all.
317 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:59:31pm |
re: #298 Walter L. Newton
I'm not challenging you - sorry if you got that indication.
I thought my first reply was clear on my stance, which is wahy i asked if the second one worked - i read back the first one and it wasn't at all clear on my belief as to the fundemental right.
Sorry Walter.
318 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:59:44pm |
re: #309 Racer X
I get tired of the "but the GOP did this / that" retort.
They both suck. Ass.
Politics suck. Politicians suck.
/I'm in a sucky mood today I guess.
That's not what I was doing. Just pointing out the painfully obvious double standard. If that makes it tu quoque, then so be it.
319 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:59:47pm |
re: #311 TheMatrix31
That's why I don't want this shit to pass. It's irreversible.
nothing is irreversible, I assure you.
320 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:59:48pm |
re: #315 Racer X
so the choice is always 'tax and spend' or 'don't tax and spend'
322 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:59:53pm |
re: #307 windsagio
he's expounding on the point (to my mind), your question could be seen as kind of disingenuous anyways.
As it is, you're reading as just wanting to pick a fight.
Hey Windy, my question is my question, nothing more, nothing less. In that case, you could claim a "color" to anyones comment and make anyone out to be sincere or not sincere. That's bullshit. I asked a simple question... which, up to this point, you're the only one that came back with a direct answer.
Are you prone to answering disingenuous questions?
324 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:00:02pm |
re: #314 suchislife
I don't think I can summarize it succinctly right at this minute, but your comment that we should secure people an ability, instead of just focusing on a right made me think of it.
OK, thanks. Just took a quick look at the Wiki entry. Seems interesting.
327 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:00:39pm |
re: #317 wozzablog
I'm not challenging you - sorry if you got that indication.
I thought my first reply was clear on my stance, which is wahy i asked if the second one worked - i read back the first one and it wasn't at all clear on my belief as to the fundemental right.
Sorry Walter.
Ok... understood now.
328 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:01:22pm |
329 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:01:30pm |
re: #310 brookly red
There was the small matter of an election where the President said he would like to see a Bill during his first term that encompassed healthcare reform including a Public Option, and Exchange and myriad smaller fixes.
Public opinion polls also showed a majority.
330 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:01:41pm |
re: #328 Walter L. Newton
When I think of you, I just can't sleep :(
332 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:02:33pm |
333 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:02:55pm |
re: #329 wozzablog
So it doesn't matter HOW that goal is achieved, just that its achieved? Ok.
"Get something done, just so I can have something to show."
Now I understand.
334 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:02:58pm |
re: #331 TheMatrix31
he's not that dumb. He's smart enough to know he's sufficiently immunized that he can say the truth of the thing outright.
335 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:03:19pm |
re: #320 windsagio
so the choice is always 'tax and spend' or 'don't tax and spend'
Are those your only choices?
Not mine.
I think our public servants have an obligation to provide services to all of us based on the revenue we are all willing to give (taxes).
No more / no less.
They are obligated to provide those services as efficiently as possible. I have yet to see government deliver on those obligations.
336 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:03:25pm |
re: #330 windsagio
When I think of you, I just can't sleep :(
It's happened to a lot of people. Don't beat yourself up over it.
337 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:03:59pm |
re: #302 JustJay
Funny, it looks like he's leading us to a historic vote on healthcare - and doing a good job of it. Sure looks like it's going to pass. How can you say that's not leadership?
You can dislike or disagree with him but I think it's a stretch to say he can't lead.
If he could lead he would not need to use procedures that are going to face challenges in the court. He should of been able to bring congress together in a compromise that did not need Chicago politics to push it through. It should not be this hard for a party that has a super majority.
338 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:04:20pm |
re: #331 TheMatrix31
He is also one of 9 impeached federal judges since 1900.
339 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:04:28pm |
re: #335 Racer X
Let me rephrase that: Right now, those are the choices we have, at least if we're looking at the situation realistically.
What you're saying is great in concept, but its not how the US system works, sadly.
340 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:04:35pm |
re: #334 Guanxi88
That's true. Maybe "prick" is more accurate.
341 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:04:55pm |
re: #338 pingjockey
He is also one of 9 impeached federal judges since 1900.
Looks like he's done well for himself. And Fitzgerald said there were no second acts in American lives.
342 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:05:19pm |
343 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:05:43pm |
re: #305 wozzablog
It was in his manifesto to do first - ahead of cap and trade, renewables, etc...
The bill has been toned down from what the president wanted - your analysis is entirely flawed.
That bill is a bureaucratic nightmare.
344 | Joanne Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:05:47pm |
re: #316 TheMatrix31
Riiiigt. What was it? 362 electoral votes? Largest win in modern history? You make it seem like people didn't want this reform. Polls show that when people learn about the bill (meaning, no, there really aren't death panels, etc.), they want reform. That's hardly "Chicago politics."
346 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:06:03pm |
re: #340 TheMatrix31
That's true. Maybe "prick" is more accurate.
yeah, it fits. Still, it IS refreshing to come across someone who's decided to just go with it. I prefer honest contempt over patronizing concern any day, which is why my wife and I get along so well.
347 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:06:16pm |
348 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:06:27pm |
re: #341 Guanxi88
I should be so lucky! Get busted, go to congress, get rich. What a sweet deal.
350 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:07:21pm |
re: #323 SixDegrees
I should have said general media. The same story popped up on several sites, and I picked the MJ article just because it was a nicely formatted summary.
351 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:07:29pm |
re: #333 TheMatrix31
Uh-huh.
Of the Bill that has - at a guess - been scored by the CBO on a more regular basis (even the drafts headed for the trash) than any other.
Name a Bill that has had more scrutiny or column inches devoted to it in the last ten years?.............
352 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:07:33pm |
re: #337 Lateralis
If he could lead he would not need to use procedures that are going to face challenges in the court. He should of been able to bring congress together in a compromise that did not need Chicago politics to push it through. It should not be this hard for a party that has a super majority.
You need to keep up. They are not using deem and pass. It's going for a vote, and it's not Chicago, it's Washington, D.C.
(I'm holding back)
353 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:07:40pm |
re: #348 pingjockey
I should be so lucky! Get busted, go to congress, get rich. What a sweet deal.
hey, nice work if you can get it. The summit of my political ambitions (never realized) was when I wanted to get a job at the Mass State House as an aid to one of the Solons up there. I hung around Foley's pub for months, but never made the necessary connections to get anywhere.
354 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:08:05pm |
re: #344 JustJay
Riiigt. What was it? 362 electoral votes? Largest win in modern history? You make it seem like people didn't want this reform. Polls show that when people learn about the bill (meaning, no, there really aren't death panels, etc.), they want reform. That's hardly "Chicago politics."
You can call them what you want but the reality of government health care is they will decide who gets treatment for certain diseases and who does not. The more people understood that they are being led down the road of socialized medicine the more they were against it.
355 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:08:13pm |
What is the latest on Cap & Trade/Tax? Will that be next after this passes?
356 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:08:16pm |
re: #348 pingjockey
I should be so lucky! Get busted, go to congress, get rich. What a sweet deal.
not to mention the sweet health care coverage...
357 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:08:27pm |
re: #344 JustJay
Nobody, including the Prez or congress has a clue what is in that behemouth of a bill.
358 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:09:20pm |
re: #352 Stanley Sea
You need to keep up. They are not using deem and pass. It's going for a vote, and it's not Chicago, it's Washington, D.C.
(I'm holding back)
Reconciliation. Spare me with the don't hold back comment.
359 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:09:21pm |
re: #357 pingjockey
Nobody, including the Prez or congress has a clue what is in that behemouth of a bill.
but they know for sure we need it right fucking now!
360 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:09:34pm |
re: #355 Bagua
I think immigration is next on President Obama's wild, magical, achievement tour.
363 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:10:36pm |
re: #355 Bagua
What is the latest on Cap & Trade/Tax? Will that be next after this passes?
I think Lindsay Graham is taking the reins on that one, along with immigration reform. We'll see...
365 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:10:46pm |
re: #360 TheMatrix31
I think immigration is next on President Obama's wild, magical, achievement tour.
well that and the complete control of banks & financial institutions... cap & trade can wait.
366 | Joanne Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:10:50pm |
re: #337 Lateralis
Again, what procedures? If you're talking Deem and Pass, that's not going to be used. And you realize the GOP used that same procedure more than 100 times and it's been through the courts and deemed legal, right? Or were you referring to something I've yet to hear?
367 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:10:56pm |
Mankind has until today been in winter. Man’s reality has not yet been flourished. The spring of man’s flourishment will be tantamount to rule of monotheism and justice worldwide by Imam of Age (Hazrat Mahdi, May God Hasten His Reappearance.
The winter of mankind is on the end stage and the weather is full of spring fragrance and breath. The time is the time of reappearance of Hazrat Mahdi and the key to longevity, freshness and growing wisdom of the Iranian nation is their faith in truth and their much hope on rule of the Imam of Age on the universe.
Enemies were and are angry with our people’s freshness, vibrancy and hope but they should know that our nation is today fresher, more kind, more determined and more powerful than the previous year, being resolved to continue their great aspirations.
Government still seeks lofty divine and humanitarian aspirations, materialization of peace, security and welfare, lasting welfare for all on the basis of monotheism, justice, purity and kindness,” said the president, adding, “Iranian nation will powerfully defend its national security and prudently, swiftly and strongly cut the hands of anybody aiming to harm it.
368 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:11:30pm |
If this bill was so great why didn't it get passed when there was 60 democrat senators and that huge majority in the house of reps? Like last fall maybe?
369 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:11:42pm |
370 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:11:48pm |
re: #360 TheMatrix31
I'm curious to see how much enforcement will be required for everyone, citizens and undocumented immigrants alike, to pay into health insurance.
371 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:11:49pm |
re: #360 TheMatrix31
Bush would have done it if his own caucus wouldn't have torn him a new one.
Obama's plan will probably end up close to what GWB would have done.
Yup. Dangerous radical.
372 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:11:58pm |
re: #366 JustJay
The constitutionality of forcing citizens to buy healthcare will be challenged. If the Slaughter rule is used, THAT will be challenged.
375 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:12:45pm |
re: #357 pingjockey
Nobody, including the Prez or congress has a clue what is in that behemouth of a bill.
I'm pretty sure they have a clue. It is NOT just about health care, even though that is what the debates all come down to. There is so much more than just health care packed inside this thing.
The bill they are about to pass is a liberal wet dream. Pure and simple.
376 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:12:49pm |
re: #366 JustJay
Again, what procedures? If you're talking Deem and Pass, that's not going to be used. And you realize the GOP used that same procedure more than 100 times and it's been through the courts and deemed legal, right? Or were you referring to something I've yet to hear?
They are going to use reconciliation. Regardless of how often it has been used before it should not be used for legislation effecting 1/6 of the economy.
377 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:12:59pm |
re: #365 brookly red
I'm not going to bite on............
complete control of the financial system.............
378 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:13:09pm |
re: #362 Guanxi88
I always loved Burroughs' take on politics:
When Did I Stop Wanting to be President?
[Video]
"Then across the street, to the Courthouse Cafe, to drink coffee with other lazy, worthless bastards in the same line of business. And we'd wallow in corruption and graft like contented alligators."
379 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:13:18pm |
re: #355 Bagua
What is the latest on Cap & Trade/Tax? Will that be next after this passes?
I think Financial reforms will be the next to pass. After that it will probably to some sort of immigration reform.
380 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:13:19pm |
re: #368 pingjockey
because congress is corrupt and the insurance companies have a huge amount of sway.
~It's also because the way the Republicans value party first, only 1 or 2 Democrats needed to be bought out to sink the bill.
381 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:13:45pm |
re: #369 Gus 802
Seemed pretty calm in here until a few minutes ago.
I told ya 6:00 does it every time...
382 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:14:10pm |
re: #376 Lateralis
It's a sixth of the economy because they couldn't ram through reform in the 90's that would have reduced costs.
(yeah, i'm going there..............)
384 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:14:19pm |
re: #373 TheMatrix31
Fuck illegal immegrants.
Why don't you go post that over at Vdare and Malkin's site.
385 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:14:19pm |
re: #375 Racer X
That's what I'm thinking. 2400 pages and I'm sure our reps have read the whole thing and the consequences of it./
386 | Joanne Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:14:35pm |
re: #354 Lateralis
Baloney! And I'd take socialized medicine, which this is anything but, over the death panels that are insurance companies any day. They serve no purpose other than to delay claims, make doctors jump thru hoops, and say No.
387 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:14:42pm |
re: #382 wozzablog
You shouldn't "ram" through ANY legislation. That right there is the problem.
389 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:15:17pm |
390 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:15:31pm |
Good night everybody.
I'm off. Can't be doing with this tonight.
391 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:15:55pm |
re: #360 TheMatrix31
I think immigration is next on President Obama's wild, magical, achievement tour.
Quite likely. Another 10 million taxpayers or so will help keep annual deficits in the 13-digit range.
392 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:16:21pm |
393 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:16:24pm |
re: #390 wozzablog
Good night everybody.
I'm off. Can't be doing with this tonight.
Sleep well mate.
394 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:16:25pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
I already gave my justification for saying such a comment.
395 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:16:35pm |
re: #391 SixDegrees
Quite likely. Another 10 million taxpayers or so will help keep annual deficits in the 13-digit range.
And help secure the votes needed to keep the great boons shortly to be bestowed on us permanent.
396 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:16:35pm |
re: #387 TheMatrix31
Going to hand back some of those taxcuts you got on that basis?
397 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:16:55pm |
re: #387 TheMatrix31
Man, where have you been?
I like how things that are normal in our government, and have been for freakin' decades, are all of a sudden "Appalling, I say Appalling!" (in a foghorn leghorn voice) whenever its the other side doing it.
398 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:16:56pm |
re: #391 SixDegrees
Quite likely. Another 10 million taxpayers or so will help keep annual deficits in the 13-digit range.
assuming of course they can find work...
399 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:17:07pm |
400 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:17:23pm |
re: #375 Racer X
The bill they are about to pass is a liberal wet dream. Pure and simple.
Not sure I would put it that way. After all, many Democratic Party Representatives were objecting to the missing truly gov't run health care. What the bill has instead is an insurance company run health care with the gov't mandating coverage.
401 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:17:45pm |
re: #379 Killgore Trout
I think Financial reforms will be the next to pass. After that it will probably to some sort of immigration reform.
Interesting, so that would likely put Cap & T past the midterm elections as an issue?
402 | Joanne Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:18:06pm |
re: #376 Lateralis
They are going to use reconciliation. Regardless of how often it has been used before it should not be used for legislation effecting 1/6 of the economy.
Do you even know what reconcilliation is?
I'm out. This is turning into crazy talk.
403 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:18:45pm |
re: #400 freetoken
Not sure I would put it that way. After all, many Democratic Party Representatives were objecting to the missing truly gov't run health care. What the bill has instead is an insurance company run health care with the gov't mandating coverage.
Confucius:
Even as, in filling a ditch, if I stop one basketful before completion, I have stopped, so, too, in piling up earth to make a mountain, the first basketful is progress.
404 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:18:56pm |
re: #402 JustJay
Wait, explain it to us commoners before you leave us!
405 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:19:05pm |
re: #395 Guanxi88
And help secure the votes needed to keep the great boons shortly to be bestowed on us permanent.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Things are looking very grim, indeed, for the Dems in the upcoming midterms. A major factor, by the way, in getting HCR passed now, by any means necessary and no matter what the bill actually contains.
406 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:19:12pm |
re: #368 pingjockey
If this bill was so great why didn't it get passed when there was 60 democrat senators and that huge majority in the house of reps? Like last fall maybe?
Because the GOP was obstructing it. But that's about over now. Fortunately, after tomorrow, the Democrats will be able to proudly stand up and take credit for the total reformation of the substandard and unfair state of health care in this country.
The GOP has made a really big mistake not paying close attention to the will of the majority of Americans, who want this reform, who want this bill, Americans and doctors and the medical community who in poll after poll has shown favor to this health care reform bill.
But, the public will be able to make their dissatisfaction known this coming November when they will have to opportunity to vote out the GOP incumbents who spent so much time and effort in attempting to deny this legislation to this country.
Can anyone disagree with these facts?
408 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:19:30pm |
re: #372 TheMatrix31
As goes healthcare reform - so goes mandated flood insurance........
409 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:19:56pm |
re: #401 Bagua
Interesting, so that would likely put Cap & T past the midterm elections as an issue?
No, I think Cap and trade is sort of a dead issue. I don't think they'll get to it but I haven't really been paying much attention.
411 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:20:18pm |
re: #379 Killgore Trout
Concur. Immigration will be the hot topic for the election. Until then, financial reform will be attempted. I suspect any carbon legislation to be swamped, just because the other topics are loaded with plenty of constituencies.
412 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:20:20pm |
re: #402 JustJay
Do you even know what reconcilliation is?
I'm out. This is turning into crazy talk.
Nonsense. This is crazy talk:
No. If he wanted to break the ring no, please I get a month. They did it. Come on. (A name, not clear) cut me off and says you are not to be the beneficiary of this will. Is that right? I will be checked and double-checked and please pull for me. Will you pull? How many good ones and how many bad ones? Please I had nothing with him he was a cowboy in one of the seven days a week fight. No business; no hangout; no friends; nothing; just what you pick up and what you need. I don't know who shot me. Don't put anyone near this check~ you might have -please do it for me. Let me get up. heh? In the olden days they waited and they waited. Please give me a shot. It is from the factory. Sure, that is a bad. Well, oh good ahead that happens for trying. I don't want harmony. I want harmony. Oh, mamma, mamma! Who give it to him? Who give it to him? Let me in the district -fire-factory that he was nowhere near. It smoldered No, no. There are only ten of us and there ten million fighting somewhere of you, so get your onions up and we will throw up the truce flag. Oh, please let me up. Please shift me. Police are here. Communistic...strike...baloney...honestly this is a habit I get; sometimes I give it and sometimes I don't. Oh, I am all in. That settles it. Are you sure? Please let me get in and eat. Let him harass himself to you and then bother you. Please don't ask me to go there. I don't want to. I still don't want him in the path. It is no use to stage a riot. The sidewalk was in trouble and the bears were in trouble and I broke it up. Please put me in that room. Please keep him in control. My gilt edged stuff and those dirty rats have tuned in. Please mother, don't tear, don't rip; that is something that shouldn't be spoken about. Please get me up, my friends. Please, look out. The shooting is a bit wild, and that kind of shooting saved a man's life. No payrolls. No wells. No coupons. That would be entirely out. Pardon me, I forgot I am plaintiff and not defendant. Look out. Look out for him. Please. He owed me money; he owes everyone money. Why can't he just pullout and give me control? Please, mother, you pick me up now. Please, you know me. No. Don't you scare me. My friends and I think I do a better job. Police are looking for you allover. Be instrumental in letting us know. They are English-men and they are a type I don't know who is best, they or us. Oh, sir, get the doll a roofing. You can play jacks and girls do that with a soft ball and do tricks with it. I take all events into consideration. No. No. And it is no. It is confused and its says no. A boy has never wept nor dashed a thousand kim. Did you hear me?
Kindly take my shoes off. (He was told that they were off.) No. There is a handcuff on them. The Baron says these things. I know what I am doing here with my collection of papers. It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me but to a collector it is worth a fortune. It is priceless. I am going to turn it over to... Turn you back to me, please Henry. I am so sick now. The police are getting many complaints. Look out. I want that G-note. Look out for Jimmy Valentine for he is an old pal of mine. Come on, come on, Jim. Ok, ok, I am all through. Can't do another thing. Look out mamma, look out for her. You can't beat him. Police, mamma, Helen, mother, please take me out. I will settle the indictment. Come on, open the soap duckets. The chimney sweeps. Talk to the sword. Shut up, you got a big mouth! Please help me up, Henry. Max, come over here. French-Canadian bean soup. I want to pay. Let them leave me alone.
413 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:20:34pm |
re: #382 wozzablog
It's a sixth of the economy because they couldn't ram through reform in the 90's that would have reduced costs.
(yeah, i'm going there...)
This bill will not reduce cost. Most cost are incurred in the last stages of life. This is strictly about socializing medicine, nothing more.
415 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:21:18pm |
re: #398 brookly red
assuming of course they can find work...
Unfortunately, we're likely to see a repeat of Reagan's mistake of allowing amnesty to go forward without any robust tightening of border and immigration controls, and we'll get to face this exactly same problem, only an order of magnitude worse, in another decade or two.
416 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:21:25pm |
re: #406 Walter L. Newton
Because the GOP was obstructing it. But that's about over now. Fortunately, after tomorrow, the Democrats will be able to proudly stand up and take credit for the total reformation of the substandard and unfair state of health care in this country.
The GOP has made a really big mistake not paying close attention to the will of the majority of Americans, who want this reform, who want this bill, Americans and doctors and the medical community who in poll after poll has shown favor to this health care reform bill.
But, the public will be able to make their dissatisfaction known this coming November when they will have to opportunity to vote out the GOP incumbents who spent so much time and effort in attempting to deny this legislation to this country.
Can anyone disagree with these facts?
see you in September November...
417 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:21:31pm |
re: #406 Walter L. Newton
(all you needed was to start the post with "O, Glaucon...." very well done, sir.)
418 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:21:49pm |
419 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:22:37pm |
re: #414 windsagio
That is certainly crazy talk.
Last words of Arthur Flegenheimer, aka Dutch Schultz.
My favorite line "A boy was never wept, nor dashed a thousand kim."
420 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:23:20pm |
Does this really really force people to buy insurance or be fined?
That is not my idea of a free country.
I do not like this at all.
421 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:23:20pm |
re: #415 SixDegrees
I actually think they should totally open the borders to anyone that can show any kind of work.
We can't close the US-Mexico border, and in general the people that come in to work (no not all of them) are extremely hard workers, and benefits to their communities.
The actual problem is that those good conservative industrial farmers would likely prefer they remain an illegal underclass so they don't have to pay them as much.
422 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:24:02pm |
re: #417 Guanxi88
(all you needed was to start the post with "O, Glaucon..." very well done, sir.)
Wait... I was serious?
425 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:24:42pm |
re: #422 Walter L. Newton
Part of your charm is that with you we can never tell >>
Predictability is for boring people!
426 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:24:54pm |
re: #409 Killgore Trout
No, I think Cap and trade is sort of a dead issue. I don't think they'll get to it but I haven't really been paying much attention.
My prediction as well, you probably won't see cap and trade until 2011, and then it will likely be more carbon tax and energy bill package. It will likely wait until post election and post census redistricting so that parties can see how both congress and the electoral college are re-plumbed. There's a huge amt of patronage in who gets to slack off on carbon and who doesn't if they do it in the form of cap and trade, so it will be interesting to see what form emerges.
428 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:25:11pm |
re: #406 Walter L. Newton
How can you obstruct when the majority has a super majority ro bring it(bill) to the floor and the votes to override any filibuster? I guess I don't know enough arcane House/Senate rules. As for the HRC, my parents both in their mid 70s and a number of their friends feel that the 1/2 billion cut to medicare will affect retirees health care.
I also politely disagree with you, my thespian friend. I do not feel a majority of our fellow citizens want this HCR as it is. Hell, I want HCR too, but I also want to reign in scum suckers like the silky pony, IOW tort reform, which I don't think is anywhere in this bill.
429 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:25:12pm |
re: #423 windsagio
Yes it is. If you're confusing my comment for "nativism", you're completely wrong. I don't like people coming illegally when there are means to come in legally, like my parents and 90% of my freakin' family did.
430 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:25:16pm |
re: #422 Walter L. Newton
Wait... I was serious?
Heh, with you, one seems to never be entirely sure...
;)
431 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:25:20pm |
re: #425 windsagio
Part of your charm is that with you we can never tell >>
Predictability is for boring people!
I couldn't do it with my good looks alone!
432 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:25:42pm |
re: #406 Walter L. Newton
If a majority of Americans wanted this change they would have an easier time getting it passed. The problem is that Americans do want changes to the system not a government take over of the system.
433 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:25:44pm |
My solution to illegal immigrants:
Welcome to America!
You are all invited to apply to become American citizens. There a few conditions to your application being approved.
1. You cut in front of others in line. There is a financial penalty. You will be allowed to pay this penalty over time if you wish (I'm thinking about $5,000 each).
2. You will be required to show proof of employment, for tax purposes you see. No job - please apply again at a later date - now go get back in line.
3. You will be required to take the oath to pledge allegiance to America. I'm sure your home country was nice, but you are American now.
4. There will be a probation period. Commit a crime and you go back to where you came from.
Welcome to America!
434 | KingKenrod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:25:55pm |
re: #420 Ojoe
Does this really really force people to buy insurance or be fined?
That is not my idea of a free country.
I do not like this at all.
Yes it does - everyone has to obtain minimum coverage one way or another.
435 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:26:19pm |
I am also going to protest the fact I can't drive without auto insurance now!!!111!!!!1111!!!!
436 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:26:19pm |
re: #432 Lateralis
If a majority of Americans wanted this change they would have an easier time getting it passed. The problem is that Americans do want changes to the system not a government take over of the system.
DEATH PANELS!
437 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:26:19pm |
re: #431 Walter L. Newton
I couldn't do it with my good looks alone!
Nonsense - anyone with a swank housecoat and the force of personality to be photographed smoking a pipe is an unstoppable force.
438 | blueraven Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:26:19pm |
re: #291 Lateralis
Congress would not be considering the actions they are if it was not about his Presidency going in the toilet the first year and calling it Health Care reform. This is transformation of a system that is not perfect and needs fixing but not transformation.
Right, because he didn't campaign on this issue for two years. He never said HCR was one of his top priorities. Yep, thats how he got elected, by never mentioning what he would do about HC. Surprise!!
439 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:26:22pm |
re: #429 TheMatrix31
notice I didn't address it to anyone, that was intentional.
In general there's unreasonable anti-mexican immigrant attitude, and its stupid and harmful.
440 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:26:49pm |
If you want to work towards affecting climate, the best route at present is through local and state legislation. I recommend finding the anti-nukers in your respective state, and also working towards moratoriums on new coal and oil energy generation.
441 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:26:54pm |
re: #437 Guanxi88
Nonsense - anyone with a swank housecoat and the force of personality to be photographed smoking a pipe is an unstoppable force.
True dat!
442 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:27:19pm |
re: #435 bratwurst
I am also going to protest the fact I can't drive without auto insurance now!!!111!!!1111!!!
Driving a car and simply being alive are very different conditions.
443 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:27:25pm |
re: #439 windsagio
by the way, I"m also for full amnesty for noncriminal illegals. Show you have a legal job, and you should be off the hook.
444 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:27:45pm |
re: #430 Varek Raith
Heh, with you, one seems to never be entirely sure...
;)
Any one on the left that wants to use that, feel free.
445 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:28:03pm |
re: #439 windsagio
There are other people who immigrate besides Mexicans.
446 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:28:05pm |
re: #420 Ojoe
Well, I don't like it either. That why I responded to RacerX. The "compromise" in this bill - that is, instead of having a true gov't directed (funded) health care system what we've ended up with is a law requiring people to participate in a type of business (as offered by and managed by insurance companies.)
IMO we would be better off with gov't owned/funded health centers, possibly contracted out to be run by private operators in areas where that is practical.
Now, we've instituted an entire layer of middle-men - The Insurance Company.
447 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:28:18pm |
re: #421 windsagio
I actually think they should totally open the borders to anyone that can show any kind of work.
We can't close the US-Mexico border, and in general the people that come in to work (no not all of them) are extremely hard workers, and benefits to their communities.
The actual problem is that those good conservative industrial farmers would likely prefer they remain an illegal underclass so they don't have to pay them as much.
Interesting three paragraphs.
1. Disagree!
2. Pretty much agree.
3. Agree!
448 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:28:22pm |
re: #440 Thanos
/pimf "finding" == "Fighting"
449 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:28:29pm |
re: #442 Bagua
Driving a car and simply being alive are very different conditions.
Agreed, but for the VAST majority of Americans, you cannot have a job without driving a car. I wish this were not the case, but it is.
450 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:28:46pm |
re: #438 blueraven
Right, because he didn't campaign on this issue for two years. He never said HCR was one of his top priorities. Yep, thats how he got elected, by never mentioning what he would do about HC. Surprise!!
It am not surprised. If you really think he was elected on substance you are kidding yourself.
451 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:29:02pm |
re: #421 windsagio
I actually think they should totally open the borders to anyone that can show any kind of work.
We can't close the US-Mexico border, and in general the people that come in to work (no not all of them) are extremely hard workers, and benefits to their communities.
If it's true that we need immigrant labor to do jobs citizens can't or won't do, I really don't have a problem with allowing as many in as needed. I'm not, however, in favor of eliminating border protocols. What's needed if this is the case is a revamped Green Card program, or perhaps something altogether new, to ensure that those here are here legitimately - and are paying legitimate taxes. Nor am I in favor of granting citizenship based on squatter's rights; although that will almost certainly be necessary to get past the current logjam, it needs to be addressed up front and curtailed.
452 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:29:04pm |
re: #444 Walter L. Newton
Its funny, because I was trying to frame a response to that comment, and I coudln't come up with anything.
I think the real thing is that we'll see in 2012 how popular it actually is, once the hype has cooled down and we've had the system for a little while.
453 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:29:09pm |
re: #443 windsagio
by the way, I"m also for full amnesty for noncriminal illegals. Show you have a legal job, and you should be off the hook.
I'm all for letting them move in with me... especially the woman folk.
454 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:29:20pm |
re: #445 TheMatrix31
who would you keep out, under the terms I outlined?
455 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:29:39pm |
re: #450 Lateralis
It am not surprised. If you really think he was elected on substance you are kidding yourself.
Now, in fairness, no one would be elected on substance. Sizzle, not steak, after all, is what one sells.
456 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:29:44pm |
re: #453 Walter L. Newton
Things I learn every day!
now I have to be jealous of all the hispanic women in the world :(
457 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:29:59pm |
458 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:30:17pm |
re: #433 Racer X
2. You will be required to show proof of employment, for tax purposes you see. No job - please apply again at a later date - now go get back in line.
That means somebody has to hire illegals. Vicious circle.
459 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:31:08pm |
re: #458 wrenchwench
People do! They just pay them 1/10th minimum wage!
460 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:31:10pm |
461 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:31:14pm |
re: #456 windsagio
Things I learn every day!
now I have to be jealous of all the hispanic women in the world :(
My last wife of 15 years was Pueblo-Castilian.
462 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:31:21pm |
There are more than 4 different programs for employers to get noncitizens into this country to work legally.
463 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:31:27pm |
re: #455 Guanxi88
Now, in fairness, no one would be elected on substance. Sizzle, not steak, after all, is what one sells.
The unfortunate reality of politics today.
464 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:31:47pm |
re: #457 Walter L. Newton
You wanna buy it... look good on you... cheap... 1 American dolla..
Hey! You be hanging around my shop! You go 'way! you steal business! You go, I call cops, fix you good!
465 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:31:59pm |
re: #460 TheMatrix31
you're dodging. You wouldn't say that if you didn't have something specific in mind.
466 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:32:00pm |
467 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:32:00pm |
re: #458 wrenchwench
That means somebody has to hire illegals. Vicious circle.
Somebody already has hired them. They are here now working. Most illegals are hard working decent people. I have no problem with them staying.
468 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:32:09pm |
re: #443 windsagio
by the way, I"m also for full amnesty for noncriminal illegals. Show you have a legal job, and you should be off the hook.
how can someone be here non-legally AND have a legal job.... that is such a crock.
469 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:32:20pm |
re: #465 windsagio
altho I guess you could be disputing just to dispute, that's also possible.
470 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:32:45pm |
re: #468 brookly red
the second legal shouldn't be in there, sorry for the typo :p
471 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:32:45pm |
re: #443 windsagio
by the way, I"m also for full amnesty for noncriminal illegals. Show you have a legal job, and you should be off the hook.
You can't have a legal job if you are here without a work visa.
472 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:33:22pm |
re: #471 Walter L. Newton
See 470. That's my excuse and I'm stickin' to it !
473 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:33:28pm |
re: #449 bratwurst
Agreed, but for the VAST majority of Americans, you cannot have a job without driving a car. I wish this were not the case, but it is.
Having a job and being alive are also very different conditions. This is a fee/tax on being alive.
474 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:33:45pm |
re: #468 brookly red
how can someone be here non-legally AND have a legal job... that is such a crock.
Who do you think is in the back room working at just about every restaurant in the west? I'm serious.
476 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:34:06pm |
re: #473 Bagua
Having a job and being alive are also very different conditions. This is a fee/tax on being alive.
so much for death & taxes...
478 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:34:47pm |
re: #464 Guanxi88
Hey! You be hanging around my shop! You go 'way! you steal business! You go, I call cops, fix you good!
(my wife says, not that she believes in reincarnation, but if she did, that I'd be a reincarnated Shanghai vegetable merchant, late 19th century. One of those guys in the black jackets, pigtails down my back, who gets crushed when his cart rolls over on him when he's trying to catch the guy who snagged a bok choy leaf. "you would die in some stupid way like that.")
479 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:34:50pm |
A fee/tax on being alive. That's a new anti reform talking point for me!
480 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:35:12pm |
re: #449 bratwurst
I responded to your #118 on the previous thread.
481 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:35:12pm |
482 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:35:24pm |
re: #475 TheMatrix31
What kind of illegal immigrants are you concerned about, since you specifically excluded mexicans? Costa Ricans? Those damn Illegal New Zealanders?
Under the terms I put (show you can get a job, be welcome in, in essence) who wouldn't you allow?
483 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:35:37pm |
re: #473 Bagua
Having a job and being alive are also very different conditions. This is a fee/tax on being alive.
If you can 'splain me a way to be alive without income, I am SO THERE. ;)
484 | MandyManners Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:35:44pm |
485 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:35:56pm |
re: #478 Guanxi88
(my wife says, not that she believes in reincarnation, but if she did, that I'd be a reincarnated Shanghai vegetable merchant, late 19th century. One of those guys in the black jackets, pigtails down my back, who gets crushed when his cart rolls over on him when he's trying to catch the guy who snagged a bok choy leaf. "you would die in some stupid way like that.")
Heh!
Probably right, too!
:D
486 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:36:01pm |
re: #477 Racer X
Fake SS#'s are really easy to obtain.
except they are not fake... they already belong to some one else.
487 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:36:09pm |
re: #482 windsagio
What kind of illegal immigrants are you concerned about, since you specifically excluded mexicans? Costa Ricans? Those damn Illegal New Zealanders?
Under the terms I put (show you can get a job, be welcome in, in essence) who wouldn't you allow?
Irish. We got enough of them, and just look at what happened the LAST time we let them in. Turned this country from an empire wilderness into an industrial powerhouse.
488 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:36:46pm |
re: #474 Racer X
They(INS/ICE)mjust busted a local apple orchard, packing shed, big damn fruit operation for having over 500 illegal workers. Problem is, the illegals counterfeit paperwork was too damn good for anybody but a document expert to pick up on.
489 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:36:56pm |
re: #484 MandyManners
Because the heirs totally earned that value!
(And believe me, me and my sister are gonna get freakin' raped on estate taxes. I'm still for them.)
490 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:37:03pm |
re: #479 Stanley Sea
A fee/tax on being alive. That's a new anti reform talking point for me!
How else would one term mandatory health insurance?
Pro or anti, this is the reality.
491 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:37:12pm |
re: #487 Guanxi88
Irish. We got enough of them, and just look at what happened the LAST time we let them in. Turned this country from an empire wilderness into an industrial powerhouse.
The Irish caused global warming?
492 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:37:14pm |
re: #484 MandyManners
Wait for the raise in taxing estates.
fuck it, wait for the raise in taxing everything... I for one say no.
493 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:37:27pm |
re: #487 Guanxi88
The problem is I'd bet $50 I know what he actually means but won't say :p
494 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:37:50pm |
re: #492 brookly red
well we always hear that 'real conservatives' are for balancing the budget :D:D
495 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:38:05pm |
re: #474 Racer X
Who do you think is in the back room working at just about every restaurant in the west? I'm serious.
In all my life.. I have never seen a white man work in the Grape Fields in Napa.. Never once..I think Napa Valley has a special relationship with our Southern friends and they are great farmers and growers...
496 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:38:07pm |
re: #488 pingjockey
They(INS/ICE)mjust busted a local apple orchard, packing shed, big damn fruit operation for having over 500 illegal workers. Problem is, the illegals counterfeit paperwork was too damn good for anybody but a document expert to pick up on.
Yep.
Those 25 million illegal immigrants who are here now are blending right in. They are working somewhere. Good for them.
497 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:38:35pm |
498 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:38:40pm |
re: #491 wrenchwench
The Irish caused global warming?
Yep, you can be sure of it. Who dug the coal here in the States, eh? Who built the mills and then worked them? Who laid the railroad tracks? I tell ya, they've got a lot to answer for, and i don't just mean Riverdance.
499 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:38:44pm |
re: #482 windsagio
What kind of illegal immigrants are you concerned about, since you specifically excluded mexicans? Costa Ricans? Those damn Illegal New Zealanders?
Under the terms I put (show you can get a job, be welcome in, in essence) who wouldn't you allow?
I'm worried about the ILLEGALITY of it. Not the race/nationality of it.
I don't know why it always has to be broken down into such terms.
If you're ILLEGAL, you're ILLEGAL. I don't give a fuck WHERE you're from.
500 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:39:02pm |
re: #495 HoosierHoops
any farm of real size works the same way, at least with fruits and vegetables. (they might not need them with grain, don't know enough about wheat farming :P)
501 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:39:16pm |
re: #490 Bagua
How else would one term mandatory health insurance?
Pro or anti, this is the reality.
I know we are on different pages, but basically, how I see mandatory health insurance, is that people who don't have health insurance will. Those who already have it, well, have it.
It's been explained much more thoroughly in other places.
502 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:39:37pm |
re: #499 TheMatrix31
I'm worried about the ILLEGALITY of it. Not the race/nationality of it.
I don't know why it always has to be broken down into such terms.
If you're ILLEGAL, you're ILLEGAL. I don't give a fuck WHERE you're from.
Completely agree.
503 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:39:43pm |
re: #490 Bagua
How else would one term mandatory health insurance?
Pro or anti, this is the reality.
any don't forget the insurance must be approved... now that would be a sweet committee to sit on. spit!re: #494 windsagio
well we always hear that 'real conservatives' are for balancing the budget :D:D
yup... spend less. period.
504 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:39:51pm |
re: #499 TheMatrix31
because you specifically mentioned that there were other races than Mexicans.
505 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:40:01pm |
re: #480 wrenchwench
I responded to your #118 on the previous thread.
I saw but am too jealous to respond!
506 | pingjockey Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:40:39pm |
Y'all have a fine afternoon, evening. Going to get the Bar B Q going!
507 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:40:46pm |
re: #503 brookly red
Reality bites tho', and that's not gonna happen under any party :p
508 | TheMatrix31 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:40:49pm |
re: #504 windsagio
Only in response to your comment about being "strong anti-Mexican" sentiments regarding immigration.
Other nationalities besides Mexicans immigrate to the US.
509 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:41:04pm |
511 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:41:29pm |
re: #507 windsagio
Reality bites tho', and that's not gonna happen under any party :p
no?... have you seen NJ lately?
512 | HappyWarrior Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:41:29pm |
What I will always opposere: #487 Guanxi88
Irish. We got enough of them, and just look at what happened the LAST time we let them in. Turned this country from an empire wilderness into an industrial powerhouse.
Damn Irish. Haha kidding being part Irish myself. I think we should make it easier to immigrate legally if anything we should be honored that people want to come here. One thing I have a problem with and I am not accusing anyone here of doing it is demonizing certain groups. The Hispanics especially get shat on and assumed to be illegal immigrants even though there are many Hispanic families especially in the Southwest that have been in this country longer than mine has.
513 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:41:54pm |
On a bright note, Quiznos now has five dollar foot longs.
Mmmm. Toasty.
514 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:42:24pm |
Day of Wrath
Thousands of demonstrators took to the streets across Russia on Saturday demanding the resignation of local and national leaders, including Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, over lingering economic woes.
A coalition of opposition groups, hoping to channel rising anxiety over unemployment and financial policy into anti-government activism, had called for nationwide protests under the slogan "Day of Wrath."
516 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:42:31pm |
re: #513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On a bright note, Quiznos now has five dollar foot longs.
Mmmm. Toasty.
Sub sandwiches, for those between-pie snacks.
517 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:42:42pm |
re: #509 wrenchwench
That is a good response.
Maybe it is the beer talking, but if you happen to still be single I propose we become LGF's second power couple!
518 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:42:45pm |
re: #511 brookly red
NJ doesn't have to do things like keep defense spending up :P
On the national level, neither party has any actual interest in cutting the budget, because they're not willing to cut any popular, expensive programs.
They talk a good game, but that's the reality.
519 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:43:00pm |
re: #483 bratwurst
If you can 'splain me a way to be alive without income, I am SO THERE. ;)
Many people live without producing income. A percentage of the population is permanently unemployed. Other segments are unemployable.
Many people go through periods when they have no income, sometimes by choice. Some people live off the land, their farm, their friends, their families.
520 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:43:14pm |
re: #513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On a bright note, Quiznos now has five dollar foot longs.
Mmmm. Toasty.
how is that a bright note... should be 2.l50 tops ;)
521 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:43:28pm |
and I'm wasting a beautiful day in my underground apartment.
So I'm gonna go out for a while, have some fun :D
522 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:43:29pm |
re: #517 bratwurst
Maybe it is the beer talking, but if you happen to still be single I propose we become LGF's second power couple!
We'll leave you two alone to talk things over.
524 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:43:59pm |
re: #517 bratwurst
Maybe it is the beer talking, but if you happen to still be single I propose we become LGF's second power couple!
You want me to marry your beer?
525 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:44:51pm |
re: #524 wrenchwench
You want me to marry your beer?
You have no idea how long he's waited to hear those words!
526 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:45:03pm |
re: #514 Racer X
Day of Wrath
Thousands of demonstrators took to the streets across Russia on Saturday demanding the resignation of local and national leaders, including Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, over lingering economic woes.A coalition of opposition groups, hoping to channel rising anxiety over unemployment and financial policy into anti-government activism, had called for nationwide protests under the slogan "Day of Wrath."
awww whatever, same thing happened in Washington today but it's not newsworthy.
527 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:45:40pm |
528 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:45:40pm |
529 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:46:00pm |
re: #519 Bagua
Some people live off the land, their farm, their friends, their families.
While I am waiting for my crops to grow, will you talk to my old man for me?
530 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:46:22pm |
re: #518 windsagio
NJ doesn't have to do things like keep defense spending up :P
On the national level, neither party has any actual interest in cutting the budget, because they're not willing to cut any popular, expensive programs.
They talk a good game, but that's the reality.
we shall see...
531 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:46:56pm |
Afternoon everyone. After two weeks of very nice weather, it is snowing, cold and altogether shitty here in Chicago today.
A lot of people are complaining, but I had to remind them that it is March in Chicago. Plus, we have been pretty lucky so far. Just hunker down on the couch and watch some basketball!
532 | Taqyia2Me Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:47:15pm |
So, how is this "HCR" that uses 10 years of taxing for 6 years of benefits going to work?
Are we all going to have to take 4 years off every 10 years from health care?
With "40" more million people getting healthcare, what is in the bill to increase the number of doctors to handle the increased load?
/need I??
533 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:47:29pm |
Tea Party protesters mob Reps Lewis, Carson, Cummings
I didn't hear any racial slurs but it gives you an idea of the gauntlet they went through.
534 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:47:56pm |
re: #524 wrenchwench
You want me to marry your beer?
I put together my new bike today..What a pain in the ass...
I love my new black Fuji 21 speed Mountain bike...
/I have a couple extra bolts left over..That's ok right?
*wink*
535 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:48:07pm |
re: #531 soap_man
Afternoon everyone. After two weeks of very nice weather, it is snowing, cold and altogether shitty here in Chicago today.
A lot of people are complaining, but I had to remind them that it is March in Chicago. Plus, we have been pretty lucky so far. Just hunker down on the couch and watch some basketball!
No kidding! I recently relocated ot the area and having been bitching about the weather since I arrived shortly before the beginning of the year...but the fact is that we have fared FAR better than a lot of the country.
536 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:48:45pm |
re: #526 brookly red
awww whatever, same thing happened in Washington today but it's not newsworthy.
Oh, it's in the news, and not in a good way.
537 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:48:57pm |
re: #532 Taqyia2Me
So, how is this "HCR" that uses 10 years of taxing for 6 years of benefits going to work?
You could easily google and find the information on how the bill will work but I suspect you already know that the information is widely available.
538 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:49:24pm |
re: #524 wrenchwench
You want me to marry your beer?
"Will you take this beer to be your long necked spouse? In carbonation and in flatness?"
539 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:49:34pm |
re: #532 Taqyia2Me
So, how is this "HCR" that uses 10 years of taxing for 6 years of benefits going to work?
Are we all going to have to take 4 years off every 10 years from health care?
With "40" more million people getting healthcare, what is in the bill to increase the number of doctors to handle the increased load?
/need I??
that would be the immigration bill...
Q: are you a doctor?
A: Si, doctor, Si...
OK sign here...
540 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:49:40pm |
re: #531 soap_man
Afternoon everyone. After two weeks of very nice weather, it is snowing, cold and altogether shitty here in Chicago today.
A lot of people are complaining, but I had to remind them that it is March in Chicago. Plus, we have been pretty lucky so far. Just hunker down on the couch and watch some basketball!
It's coming down here..Stupid weather
541 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:49:45pm |
re: #532 Taqyia2Me
So, how is this "HCR" that uses 10 years of taxing for 6 years of benefits going to work?
Are we all going to have to take 4 years off every 10 years from health care?
With "40" more million people getting healthcare, what is in the bill to increase the number of doctors to handle the increased load?
/need I??
Oops, sorry. I missed the sarc tag.
Apologies.
542 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:49:46pm |
re: #495 HoosierHoops
In all my life.. I have never seen a white man work in the Grape Fields in Napa.. Never once..I think Napa Valley has a special relationship with our Southern friends and they are great farmers and growers...
Sure they do... like plantation owners thought they had with their slaves. What about the "pay by the season" employers ("paga por la estación") and then they call "la migra" at the end of the year. Those workers are treated like second class citizens.
544 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:51:22pm |
re: #543 soap_man
Hey Hoops. Your bracket holding up?
Eh, if he used those sheet-rock anchors, it should stay just where he wants it without tearing up the drywall.
545 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:51:35pm |
re: #533 Killgore Trout
Hmmm, I think I might here the "n" word at 0:11.
546 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:51:35pm |
Well, things can't be too apocalyptic if the Rapture Index is only at 171.
547 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:51:38pm |
re: #531 soap_man
Afternoon everyone. After two weeks of very nice weather, it is snowing, cold and altogether shitty here in Chicago today.
A lot of people are complaining, but I had to remind them that it is March in Chicago. Plus, we have been pretty lucky so far. Just hunker down on the couch and watch some basketball!
This is what it looked like this morning when I woke up (yes, the Windstar slide down the side of the driveway, I have to call AAA before the end of the weekend)
548 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:51:40pm |
re: #535 bratwurst
No kidding! I recently relocated ot the area and having been bitching about the weather since I arrived shortly before the beginning of the year...but the fact is that we have fared FAR better than a lot of the country.
This has been the nicest March I can remember.
549 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:51:49pm |
re: #534 HoosierHoops
I put together my new bike today..What a pain in the ass...
I love my new black Fuji 21 speed Mountain bike...
/I have a couple extra bolts left over..That's ok right?
*wink*
Now take it to your friendly local bike shop and have them check it!
550 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:51:50pm |
Gollum ausador: We wants it, we needs it. Must have the old system. They are stealing it from us. Sneaky little democratses. Wicked, tricksy, false!
Smeagel ausador: No. Not master Obama!
Gollum ausador: Yes, democratses, false! They will cheat you, TAX you, LIE.
Smeagol ausador: Master Obama is our friend!
Gollum ausador: You don't have any friends; nobody likes you except Glenn beck!
Smeagol ausador: I'm not listening... I'm not listening...
/
551 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:52:04pm |
re: #268 Lateralis
This is a dark times in US politics. A President who can not lead shoving legislation through so he can leave his mark on society.
wocka wocka wocka
552 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:52:08pm |
re: #534 HoosierHoops
I put together my new bike today..What a pain in the ass...
I love my new black Fuji 21 speed Mountain bike...
/I have a couple extra bolts left over..That's ok right?
*wink*
Those are "pocket bolts". Completely natural.
554 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:52:31pm |
re: #538 bratwurst
"Will you take this beer to be your long necked spouse? In carbonation and in flatness?"
urrrp! I do!
555 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:52:42pm |
556 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:53:05pm |
re: #547 Walter L. Newton
This is what it looked like this morning when I woke up (yes, the Windstar slide down the side of the driveway, I have to call AAA before the end of the weekend)
[Link: newton.acrossthebow.com...]
Wow. All of our snow has melted by now (not including the inch or so that fell today.)
557 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:53:09pm |
re: #555 bratwurst
I was GIDDY last week.
I felt much the same way, then I got the city out to fix the gas leak.
558 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:54:16pm |
re: #538 bratwurst
"Will you take this beer to be your long necked spouse? In carbonation and in flatness?"
You'd make a hoppy couple!
559 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:54:29pm |
re: #546 freetoken
Well, things can't be too apocalyptic if the Rapture Index is only at 171.
Where the hell did you find that!?!
560 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:55:48pm |
re: #546 freetoken
I swear... people who prophesy the end of the world from the Bible. They may have been reading it, but they sure don't understand it.
561 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:55:57pm |
re: #543 soap_man
Hey Hoops. Your bracket holding up?
It's not good....At least Kansas is getting their butts kicked..So far
562 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:56:08pm |
563 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:56:24pm |
564 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:56:56pm |
'Stupak dozen' is now a half-dozen holdouts
That's good news. In re: ditching deem and pass--
Van Hollen said Democrats still maintain that deeming the Senate bill passed would have been appropriate and perfectly legal. But, he said, "there was no reason to allow the misinformation campaign to continue. Despite the fact that Republicans used it, we wanted to make the process absolutely clear."
Obv they feel confident they have the votes, but I wonder how much of that new determination is due to a backlash over the GOP hoax memo from yesterday that ran through the rightwing puke funnel, from Breitbart to Drudge to Powerline to NRO to Daily Caller, Politico, etc,. and which Boehner's office was pushing to several of those outfits.
Looks like the pukefunnel might have helped out for once. Cheers, wingnuts!
565 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:57:03pm |
re: #551 webevintage
wocka wocka wocka
You must be one of the President's puppets, oh sorry Muppet's.
566 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:57:04pm |
re: #563 bratwurst
At the wedding there will be an open bar-ley.
Will there be amnesty for the imports?
567 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:57:31pm |
re: #560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I swear... people who prophesy the end of the world from the Bible. They may have been reading it, but they sure don't understand it.
Hallelujah... you are so right.
568 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:57:52pm |
I eat when I'm hungry,
I drink when I'm dry,
If a tree don't fall on me
I'll live 'till I die.
(from The American Mother Goose)
I'll eat till I'm bloated
I'll drink lots of booze
If the govm't takes care of me
How can I lose?
— The current batch of low brow politicians.
569 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:57:57pm |
re: #559 Stanley Sea
What?! You mean you don't check daily on whether you're going to get plucked off this stinkin' planet?
570 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:58:09pm |
re: #546 freetoken
Well, things can't be too apocalyptic if the Rapture Index is only at 171.
Why is "nuclear nations" only listed as 4? They are a little behind on that.
571 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:58:52pm |
re: #569 freetoken
What?! You mean you don't check daily on whether you're going to get plucked off this stinkin' planet?
Hey, it's bookmarked now. I feel safer already.
572 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 3:59:19pm |
re: #570 soap_man
The "4" is a number on their scale, not the # of nations. I think somewhere on that site is an explanation.
574 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:00:29pm |
re: #567 Walter L. Newton
Hallelujah... you are so right.
Heck, I'm a Christian...
I have more faith in folks who try to prophesy from tea leaves, monkey turds, or the Mayan Calendar.
At least they're trying to be honest about it.
575 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:02:09pm |
re: #561 HoosierHoops
It's not good...At least Kansas is getting their butts kicked..So far
Good luck; I didn't do one. I'm not big into college basketball, even though I really enjoy March Madness. I just root for the underdog every time.
576 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:02:21pm |
Jim DeMint tweet about those cordial, well-behaved, decent teabaggers:
I am grateful for the thousands of patriots who are storming the Capitol today protesting government healthcare and defending freedom. Pray
[Link: twitter.com...]
577 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:03:42pm |
re: #568 Ojoe
I eat when I'm hungry,
I drink when I'm dry,
If a tree don't fall on me
I'll live 'till I die.(from The American Mother Goose)
I'll eat till I'm bloated
I'll drink lots of booze
If the govm't takes care of me
How can I lose?— The current batch of low brow politicians.
Never make a politician (aaa-aaah) grant you a favour;
(doo-doo-doo-doo)
They will always want (aaa-aaah) to control you forever, eh!
(forever, forever)
So if a fire make it burn (make it burn, make it burn)
And if a blood make ya run (make ya run, run, run),
Rasta de 'pon top (aaa-aaah), can't you see? (doo-doo-doo-doo)
So you can't predict the flop. Eh-eh! (doo-doo-doo-doo)
>Bob Marley (as if I had to)
578 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:03:46pm |
re: #533 Killgore Trout
Tea Party protesters mob Reps Lewis, Carson, Cummings
[Video]I didn't hear any racial slurs but it gives you an idea of the gauntlet they went through.
I'm really glad none of those three is named "Bill".
/silver lining
579 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:05:23pm |
re: #575 soap_man
Good luck; I didn't do one. I'm not big into college basketball, even though I really enjoy March Madness. I just root for the underdog every time.
Thanks.. I am having a lot of fun this weekend..I love College BBall
580 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:06:20pm |
BTW, that disgusting Browning sign that Gus and KT found?
h/t Balloon Juice.
581 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:07:27pm |
re: #580 iceweasel
BTW, that disgusting Browning sign that Gus and KT found?
h/t Balloon Juice.
It looks like there is only 50 people there?
582 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:07:48pm |
re: #579 HoosierHoops
Thanks.. I am having a lot of fun this weekend..I love College BBall
I heard on the radio yesterday that there were 4.5 million brackets filled out on ESPN.com, and only two, two, are perfect so far. And that was as of yesterday afternoon.
583 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:08:58pm |
re: #582 soap_man
I heard on the radio yesterday that there were 4.5 million brackets filled out on ESPN.com, and only two, two, are perfect so far. And that was as of yesterday afternoon.
And those were filled out by chimps!
584 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:09:00pm |
re: #582 soap_man
I heard on the radio yesterday that there were 4.5 million brackets filled out on ESPN.com, and only two, two, are perfect so far. And that was as of yesterday afternoon.
so most people don't know shit? what a surprise.
585 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:09:49pm |
re: #529 bratwurst
While I am waiting for my crops to grow, will you talk to my old man for me?
About what, paying your mandatory health insurance bill?
586 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:10:34pm |
587 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:11:22pm |
re: #585 Bagua
About what, paying your mandatory health insurance bill?
Since I am taking my stance against mandatory auto insurance and can't work, would you mind?
589 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:11:54pm |
re: #584 brookly red
so most people don't know shit? what a surprise.
From the Wall Street Journal:
Filling out a perfect bracket means predicting the outcome of 63 games. If each game were a true toss-up, that would mean your chance of perfection is a mere one in two to the 63rd power, or one in nine million trillion (yes, million trillion -- there are no tidy terms for numbers this large). Put another way, you are about 60 billion times more likely to win the multistate Powerball lottery.
590 | Guanxi88 Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:12:08pm |
re: #529 bratwurst
While I am waiting for my crops to grow, will you talk to my old man for me?
Depends on the crop.....
Wait a minute..... is that.....?
Yeah, dude, I can TOTALLY talk to your old man for ya. But I'll need a cut.
Glaucoma and anxiety, ya know.
591 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:12:10pm |
re: #580 iceweasel
BTW, that disgusting Browning sign that Gus and KT found?
h/t Balloon Juice.
Yeah, there were two of those signs that were caught by the cameras.
593 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:12:57pm |
re: #589 soap_man
/the odds are better if you read the bill first...
594 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:13:26pm |
re: #586 brookly red
You will, I predict, see people claiming it is against their religion to be forced to buy health insurance & I think their case will stand up in the Supreme Court and this ridiculous part of the reform bill will bite the dust.
BBL
595 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:13:48pm |
re: #591 Gus 802
Yeah, there were two of those signs that were caught by the cameras.
TP has them up along with other things here
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
596 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:13:57pm |
Attention: Jimmah-Ice Productions: check YouTube channel comments please.
597 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:13:58pm |
re: #582 soap_man
I heard on the radio yesterday that there were 4.5 million brackets filled out on ESPN.com, and only two, two, are perfect so far. And that was as of yesterday afternoon.
It's killing me brother...It's March madness...
If Kansas loses tonight it will all be worth it...Come on Northern Iowa!
598 | limewash Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:13:59pm |
re: #564 iceweasel
Hoax thing make it look really desperate to try anything. Which is really sad.
599 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:14:42pm |
re: #595 Thanos
TP has them up along with other things here
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
Thanks, saw those before and posted about the Flickr image there earlier.
600 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:14:48pm |
re: #591 Gus 802
Yeah, there were two of those signs that were caught by the cameras.
This shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A bananas.
601 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:15:14pm |
re: #596 bratwurst
Attention: Jimmah-Ice Productions: check YouTube channel comments please.
Will do! Thanks. :)
602 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:16:02pm |
re: #594 Ojoe
You will, I predict, see people claiming it is against their religion to be forced to buy health insurance & I think their case will stand up in the Supreme Court and this ridiculous part of the reform bill will bite the dust.
BBL
In general is it constitutional to force citizens to purchase health care insurance?
605 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:16:47pm |
re: #594 Ojoe
You will, I predict, see people claiming it is against their religion to be forced to buy health insurance & I think their case will stand up in the Supreme Court and this ridiculous part of the reform bill will bite the dust.
BBL
oh, we do need stikin badges after all? hahahahah!
606 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:17:12pm |
re: #600 iceweasel
This shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A bananas.
[Video]
Yeah. Bananas for banana country tools that hold up signs like that. They're the type that would be at the beckoning call of a banana country dictator in no seconds flat. Most of them are the "I heart insurance companies" tools which is false anyway. The insurance companies and real capitalists don't care about ignorant undereducated yokels anyway.
607 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:17:12pm |
re: #591 Gus 802
Yeah, there were two of those signs that were caught by the cameras.
Let's not forget the "2nd Revolution" sign that Republican Congress Critters willingly stood in front of today.
What is it with tea party folks?
There go after a kid who's mother is sick, they scream and yell at a man with Parkinson's, they carry signs promoting violence, they call a gay Rep a fa@@ot, spit on another Rep. and call John Lewis a ni**er.
I want my country back!
608 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:17:15pm |
610 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:17:41pm |
611 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:17:52pm |
sorry that should be flag.'
2nd Revolution FLAG.
612 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:18:49pm |
re: #599 Gus 802
Did you notice the "Fire line Do not cross" tape border?
Also in the wonk room there it looks like they are going to go to a vote and note use Deem and pass, so they are pretty confident.
[Link: wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...]
613 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:19:02pm |
re: #600 iceweasel
This shit is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A bananas.
[Video]
Although. I do heart Stefani. ;)
614 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:19:36pm |
re: #596 bratwurst
Attention: Jimmah-Ice Productions: check YouTube channel comments please.
Hey cutie! Aren't you sweet. Thanks. ;) Answered.
615 | Taqyia2Me Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:19:56pm |
re: #610 Stanley Sea
I bet the secret service knows.
Let's hope and pray the Secret Service is doing their job on that crap.
616 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:20:04pm |
re: #612 Thanos
Did you notice the "Fire line Do not cross" tape border?
Also in the wonk room there it looks like they are going to go to a vote and note use Deem and pass, so they are pretty confident.
[Link: wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...]
Correct. That was reported this morning. So anyone that still thinks they're going to use deem and pass is behind the news curve.
618 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:21:15pm |
re: #587 bratwurst
Since I am taking my stance against mandatory auto insurance and can't work, would you mind?
It is a false comparison. Driving a car or flying an airplane is not a fundamental condition such as being alive.
619 | KingKenrod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:21:30pm |
re: #602 Lateralis
In general is it constitutional to force citizens to purchase health care insurance?
Supporters of this bill laugh this question off, but I've still not heard a good legal justification for this.
620 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:21:30pm |
re: #616 Gus 802
Correct. That was reported this morning. So anyone that still thinks they're going to use deem and pass is behind the news curve.
hours ago they announced they wouldn't...
621 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:22:33pm |
re: #618 Bagua
It is a false comparison. Driving a car or flying an airplane is not a fundamental condition such as being alive.
You do understand that people outside of the larger cities are limited to jobs within walking distance without paying for auto insurance, right?
622 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:23:00pm |
623 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:23:10pm |
re: #619 KingKenrod
Supporters of this bill laugh this question off, but I've still not heard a good legal justification for this.
Herbie pushed tony from the boys' club roof
Tony thought that his rage was just some goof
But herbie sure gave tony some bitchen proof
'"hey,'; herbie said, "tony, can you fly? "
But tony couldn't fly . . . tony died
624 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:23:28pm |
Here's a really good source for up to date postings on the vote.
625 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:23:42pm |
626 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:24:10pm |
re: #255 FullRoller
Right... How many times did he vote "present"?
According to Snopes.com, in Illinois, by convention, a present vote is functionally a no vote.
627 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:24:23pm |
re: #577 brookly red
Revolution
Never make a politician, grant you a favour, they will always want to, control you forever.
628 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:24:46pm |
re: #626 b_sharp
According to Snopes.com, in Illinois, by convention, a present vote is functionally a no vote.
did not know that...
629 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:24:59pm |
re: #559 Stanley Sea
Where the hell did you find that!?!
Rapture Ready is always good for a laugh, just read the frigging forum, Neocons on steroids doesn't even begin to describe it. Just don't read too much, I've never seen anyplace on the internet so full of depressed people wishing for a quick non-suicidal (sinful) death. Once you trig to the "death-cult" aspect of the place it isn't really that funny anymore, you just feel sorry for them.
630 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:25:33pm |
re: #580 iceweasel
Not isolated At All!
Talking about violent signs at a protest? I lose track of who is linkable so I'll just say zombie time has bone chilling protest signs photographed during the Bush presidency. The atmosphere we have had since at least Clinton's Presidency is appalling. No links for that either but I remembers seeing awful stuff then too.
3 Presidents along-It now seems to be an "accepted" level of protest, as there has always been fairly little outrage, apart from supporters of the threatened President of course.
631 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:26:23pm |
re: #619 KingKenrod
Supporters of this bill laugh this question off, but I've still not heard a good legal justification for this.
I don't think that there is a good legal argument but I am sure soon enough we will find out.
632 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:27:24pm |
re: #598 limewash
Hoax thing make it look really desperate to try anything. Which is really sad.
Yeah. Not so much the initial hoax, even, but the way it ran right through the whole Wingnut Scream Machine. I posted this morning that most of those outlets either hadn't retracted, or they'd added an update in tiny type to the bottom of the post and not changed the headline.
Several of them also phrased it as 'dems 'challenge' authenticity', or insinuated that it was a Dem plot to make the GOP look bad, and one aide in Bohener's office even said "the provenance of the memo doesn't matter, because this is really what the Dems are doing anyway" . (i paraphrase only slightly)
There was no freakin way to shut it down other than ditch deem and pass. Even that won't stop the screaming, but I suspect it did stiffen a few Dem spines, for once.
633 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:27:30pm |
re: #271 Guanxi88
Too bad we had to take a blowtorch to the area to get rid of them.
OK, that was cringe worthy.
634 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:27:45pm |
re: #602 Lateralis
In general is it constitutional to force citizens to purchase health care insurance?
The short answer is no.
635 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:27:48pm |
636 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:28:17pm |
re: #621 bratwurst
You do understand that people outside of the larger cities are limited to jobs within walking distance without paying for auto insurance, right?
They can't car pool? Work at home? You are saying everyone must have car insurance?
The fact they they can commute to job suggests gainful employment, they are a participant and can afford the costs. Insurance is an expense, a cost of the lifestyle they choose. They are not required to purchase car insurance should they choose to remain at home, car pool, hitchhike, not be employed, life off of their art, whatever... they are different issues.
637 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:29:16pm |
re: #635 soap_man
It's true. It's way more common here in Illinois than people think it is.
It's an Obamameme. Still here in 2010.
.
638 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:29:51pm |
re: #636 Bagua
They can't car pool? Work at home? You are saying everyone must have car insurance?
The fact they they can commute to job suggests gainful employment, they are a participant and can afford the costs. Insurance is an expense, a cost of the lifestyle they choose. They are not required to purchase car insurance should they choose to remain at home, car pool, hitchhike, not be employed, life off of their art, whatever... they are different issues.
It is also a state issue, NOT a federal mandate.
639 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:30:12pm |
re: #632 iceweasel
Yeah. Not so much the initial hoax, even, but the way it ran right through the whole Wingnut Scream Machine. I posted this morning that most of those outlets either hadn't retracted, or they'd added an update in tiny type to the bottom of the post and not changed the headline.
Several of them also phrased it as 'dems 'challenge' authenticity', or insinuated that it was a Dem plot to make the GOP look bad, and one aide in Bohener's office even said "the provenance of the memo doesn't matter, because this is really what the Dems are doing anyway" . (i paraphrase only slightly)There was no freakin way to shut it down other than ditch deem and pass. Even that won't stop the screaming, but I suspect it did stiffen a few Dem spines, for once.
Hoaxes - bribes. Pick your poison.
640 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:30:20pm |
re: #635 soap_man
It's true. It's way more common here in Illinois than people think it is.
so then why not just vote no?
Oh, that would mean taking a stand, never mind.
641 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:30:46pm |
re: #636 Bagua
They can't car pool? Work at home? You are saying everyone must have car insurance?
The fact they they can commute to job suggests gainful employment, they are a participant and can afford the costs. Insurance is an expense, a cost of the lifestyle they choose. They are not required to purchase car insurance should they choose to remain at home, car pool, hitchhike, not be employed, life off of their art, whatever... they are different issues.
Bicycle! I can't believe you left out bicycle!
642 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:31:16pm |
re: #638 CapeCoddah
It is also a state issue, NOT a federal mandate.
Time for states rights to mack a comeback?
643 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:31:36pm |
re: #636 Bagua
They can't car pool? Work at home? You are saying everyone must have car insurance?
If you work the overnight shift at 7-11 in Paola, KS (as only one of MANY examples)...you must either live within walking distance or pay for car insurance, correct.
644 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:31:44pm |
re: #636 Bagua
Insurance is an expense, a cost of the lifestyle they choose.
I agree with you that this is where the analogy to car insurance breaks down.
Health insurance is also an expense, a cost of the 'lifestyle choice' of being and staying alive.
645 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:32:11pm |
re: #643 bratwurst
If you work the overnight shift at 7-11 in Paola, KS (as only one of MANY examples)...you must either live within walking distance or pay for car insurance, correct.
Bicycle with lights!
646 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:32:41pm |
647 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:32:49pm |
re: #630 Rightwingconspirator
Not isolated At All!
Talking about violent signs at a protest? I lose track of who is linkable so I'll just say zombie time has bone chilling protest signs photographed during the Bush presidency. The atmosphere we have had since at least Clinton's Presidency is appalling. No links for that either but I remembers seeing awful stuff then too.
3 Presidents along-It now seems to be an "accepted" level of protest, as there has always been fairly little outrage, apart from supporters of the threatened President of course.
This is targeting congress and government as a whole. Whatever Zombie posted was specifically against Bush and Cheney. There wasn't a general revanchist or atavistic ideology behind the anti-war protesters unless one were to look at the anarchist groups. The Tea Party movement is larger as a group then the anarchists and better armed and known to have connection with existing anti-government militia groups.
648 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:32:51pm |
re: #641 wrenchwench
Bicycle! I can't believe you left out bicycle!
In the winter we jsut went through? Darn global warming! ;)
649 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:33:55pm |
re: #644 iceweasel
I agree with you that this is where the analogy to car insurance breaks down.
Health insurance is also an expense, a cost of the 'lifestyle choice' of being and staying alive.
Driving is a privilege not a right. I think I have a constitutional right to be alive.
650 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:34:32pm |
651 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:34:48pm |
re: #625 Gus 802
Why apologize? You were just stating facts, no offense taken.
652 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:35:08pm |
I have racked up 85 miles on my commuter bike since January 14th. A few of those miles were while it was snowing. When there was snow and ice on the street, I walked.
653 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:35:14pm |
re: #649 Lateralis
Driving is a privilege not a right. I think I have a constitutional right to be alive.
at least until Sunday...
654 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:35:23pm |
re: #640 brookly red
so then why not just vote no?
Oh, that would mean taking a stand, never mind.
If I understand correctly, voting present is just a milder way to say no. Sort of like "no" is "this bill is bullshit" and "present" is more like "I'm not opposed in principle, but I oppose this particular bill" or "I don't hate it, but I don't like it either."
They should probably just get rid of it, since accusations of fence-sitting are common. But a present vote is still a no vote, no matter how you want to slice it.
655 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:35:29pm |
re: #649 Lateralis
Driving is a privilege not a right. I think I have a constitutional right to be alive.
You also have a right to be dead. Apparently, we will need permission to die.
656 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:35:37pm |
657 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:36:42pm |
re: #652 wrenchwench
I have racked up 85 miles on my commuter bike since January 14th. A few of those miles were while it was snowing. When there was snow and ice on the street, I walked.
You rock!
658 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:36:42pm |
re: #656 Gus 802
Death panels!
Like I said earlier, if we're going to euthanize the seniors can we at least start with Congress? Listening to their own bullshit for hours on end seems a fitting way to send them off.
659 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:37:33pm |
660 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:38:07pm |
re: #640 brookly red
Uh-huh.
He explained.
Several times during the Democratic debates and the earlier parts of the campaign.
It's a meme.
Rises to the level of meme and nothing more.
661 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:38:19pm |
So if health care is not a right then staying alive is not a right. What if you go further and say that being health is not a right? What if we extend that and say that there is no right to clean air and clean water. After all, remaining healthy requires a healthy environment.
In that case than environmental control is tied in with health care. Thus becoming ill due to toxins and requiring health care is not a right? Sounds like something Ron Paul would support.
662 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:38:24pm |
re: #654 soap_man
But a present vote is still a no vote, no matter how you want to slice it.
In fact, when newpapers report a total vote, they lump the "nos" and "presents" together.
"The bill failed by a 41-23 vote this afternoon..."
663 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:38:35pm |
re: #659 brookly red
I can't die, I pay taxes...
Sure you can if you get sick and can't get anyone to treat you because you are broke.
664 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:38:41pm |
Opps, Obamacare is slipping on Intrade
Bid 78.1 Ask 83.9, down 4.7. re: #643 bratwurst
If you work the overnight shift at 7-11 in Paola, KS (as only one of MANY examples)...you must either live within walking distance or pay for car insurance, correct.
Correct, thus one has the choice to live within walking distance, car pool, not work at that 7-11, stay home and work on one's novel, paint, write poetry, do nothing... the freedom is there to life an alternative lifestyle at one's own choice.
Mandatory expense for the lifestyle choice or simply being alive, just like mandatory employment, does not strike me as freedom, rather as sort of servitude. Some of us march by a different drummer, and are willing to take our chances with the things we choose not to participate in or prepare for.
665 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:39:11pm |
re: #647 Gus 802
All true but beside my point. The atmosphere is now such that violent signs are accepted as a apart of a peaceful protest. I say this not on a legal context but the sheer lack of popular outrage against such. The rest is mere detail. Which President, Tea Party or Anarchist, gun or noose or burning in effigy.
I hate this stuff, I really do. So much I have been unable to forget the crap I have seen, and therefore can not treat todays as something fundamentally new. Or rare. Or (long term) right wing exclusive. I am glad of the call out here. I'd really be thrilled to see this outrage be more popular and long lasting. So just maybe the anarchists and the Tea Party gets enough heat to tone it down.
666 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:39:20pm |
re: #660 wozzablog
Uh-huh.
He explained.
Several times during the Democratic debates and the earlier parts of the campaign.
It's a meme.
Rises to the level of meme and nothing more.
will you please get a life...
668 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:39:41pm |
I skimmed through the Hot Air thread about the hateful slurs at the Tea Party. They pretty much all agree that it was leftist plants or the stories are just made up.
669 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:40:34pm |
re: #663 PT Barnum
Sure you can if you get sick and can't get anyone to treat you because you are broke.
hint: date doctors...
670 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:40:38pm |
re: #666 brookly red
will you please get a life...
Kinda sucks to have someone shoot down your nonsense with facts, doesn't it?
671 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:40:41pm |
re: #657 HoosierHoops
You rock!
Eh, it's nothing, really. I do it because I like it. Our two-person household owns one motorized vehicle, which I use to do the shopping and go to the laundromat. It's too easy for people to think of reasons they can't commute by bike, and not that hard to figure out how they can.
673 | KingKenrod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:40:56pm |
re: #661 Gus 802
So if health care is not a right then staying alive is not a right. What if you go further and say that being health is not a right? What if we extend that and say that there is no right to clean air and clean water. After all, remaining healthy requires a healthy environment.
In that case than environmental control is tied in with health care. Thus becoming ill due to toxins and requiring health care is not a right? Sounds like something Ron Paul would support.
I'm not sure if you are arguing that health care is a right (the right to enter contracts is a natural right), or if society is required to provide health care to you (a legal right).
674 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:41:11pm |
re: #661 Gus 802
What you've touched on is, I believe, that there is a lack of a unified contemporary view of the concept of a "right". That the word is so poorly defined, or perhaps better still, conflictingly defined, makes sense if you look at the history of the concept.
675 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:41:12pm |
re: #669 brookly red
hint: date doctors...
So now you're suggesting people should prostitute themselves to get medical care?
676 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:41:21pm |
re: #670 PT Barnum
Kinda sucks to have someone shoot down your nonsense with facts, doesn't it?
I guess, if you say so ...
677 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:41:21pm |
If health care is not a right than if you get ill because of toxins from say a coal powered power plant than legal redress for payment of health expenses is not a right? You get sick and aren't rich or have wealthy parents or health insurance tough shit? According to Constitutionalists like Ron Paul you should not even have a right to sue.
678 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:41:50pm |
re: #667 wozzablog
I mean, thank you - but, no.
The present/not present debate was hashed over in the early months of his candidacy. It was old news in January 2009.
679 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:42:03pm |
re: #675 PT Barnum
So now you're suggesting people should prostitute themselves to get medical care?
works for me ;) I also like to kiss the barmaids....
681 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:42:51pm |
re: #653 brookly red
at least until Sunday...
This will not end tomorrow, the Republicans have enough votes to send it back for a re-vote on a couple of points of order.
Constitutionally, there will be a big problem if it is assed in this fashion, because the language being voted on is not identical in both chambers. That is a big No-No, like it or not. Even if it passes, the only dems who will be left in either chamber come January will be those who are not up for re-election, and this mess, if it passes will be scuttled then. The main campaign point, should this pass will be promises to repeal it and we will see what blowout really means. The donks are signing their own death warrant with this, and they think it will keep them in office.
They are in for a shocka.
682 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:42:57pm |
683 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:43:17pm |
re: #678 wozzablog
The present/not present debate was hashed over in the early months of his candidacy. It was old news in January 2009.
But the wingnuts have the memory of a goldfish, so it's still a valid point to them.
684 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:44:44pm |
re: #665 Rightwingconspirator
All true but beside my point. The atmosphere is now such that violent signs are accepted as a apart of a peaceful protest. I say this not on a legal context but the sheer lack of popular outrage against such. The rest is mere detail. Which President, Tea Party or Anarchist, gun or noose or burning in effigy.
I hate this stuff, I really do. So much I have been unable to forget the crap I have seen, and therefore can not treat todays as something fundamentally new. Or rare. Or (long term) right wing exclusive. I am glad of the call out here. I'd really be thrilled to see this outrage be more popular and long lasting. So just maybe the anarchists and the Tea Party gets enough heat to tone it down.
685 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:44:52pm |
re: #673 KingKenrod
I'm not sure if you are arguing that health care is a right (the right to enter contracts is a natural right), or if society is required to provide health care to you (a legal right).
Does this mean the people who got ill at Ground Zero have no right to health care, from society? Or is it their personal responsibility to have had health insurance to being with?
Just asking questions.
686 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:44:54pm |
re: #681 CapeCoddah
I will repeat to you what I posted above...
Fortunately, after tomorrow, the Democrats will be able to proudly stand up and take credit for the total reformation of the substandard and unfair state of health care in this country.
The GOP has made a really big mistake not paying close attention to the will of the majority of Americans, who want this reform, who want this bill, Americans and doctors and the medical community who in poll after poll has shown favor to this health care reform bill.
But, the public will be able to make their dissatisfaction known this coming November when they will have to opportunity to vote out the GOP incumbents who spent so much time and effort in attempting to deny this legislation to this country.
Can anyone disagree with these facts?
687 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:45:29pm |
re: #682 Bagua
Beerwhore!
and now that you mention it... since her husband died the landlady is lookin kinda cute too.
688 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:45:40pm |
Mr. Trolololo quotes Pushkin
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
689 | KingKenrod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:45:55pm |
re: #681 CapeCoddah
This will not end tomorrow, the Republicans have enough votes to send it back for a re-vote on a couple of points of order.
Constitutionally, there will be a big problem if it is assed in this fashion, because the language being voted on is not identical in both chambers. That is a big No-No, like it or not. Even if it passes, the only dems who will be left in either chamber come January will be those who are not up for re-election, and this mess, if it passes will be scuttled then. The main campaign point, should this pass will be promises to repeal it and we will see what blowout really means. The donks are signing their own death warrant with this, and they think it will keep them in office.
They are in for a shocka.
My understanding is the House will vote on the exact Senate bill language tomorrow. If it passes, then Obama just needs to sign it. What they do to "fix" it afterwards is anybody's guess.
690 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:46:09pm |
re: #681 CapeCoddah
This will not end tomorrow, the Republicans have enough votes to send it back for a re-vote on a couple of points of order.
Constitutionally, there will be a big problem if it is assed in this fashion, because the language being voted on is not identical in both chambers. That is a big No-No, like it or not. Even if it passes, the only dems who will be left in either chamber come January will be those who are not up for re-election, and this mess, if it passes will be scuttled then. The main campaign point, should this pass will be promises to repeal it and we will see what blowout really means. The donks are signing their own death warrant with this, and they think it will keep them in office.
They are in for a shocka.
I think the repubs are going to have a hard time running against regulation of the insurance industry, which will mean that even if they do repeal it, some of the items will either stick around or be fun little points for the next election.
Senator Lardbottom made it possible for your insurance company to drop your coverage just because you got sick.
Senator Lardbottom sided with the insurance companies to deny care to sick children.
etc. etc...
691 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:46:39pm |
re: #681 CapeCoddah
TThe donks are signing their own death warrant with this, and they think it will keep them in office.
I guess you should hope they pass it then, huh?
Reminder: deem and pass is off the table. Which was constitutional anyway.
692 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:46:57pm |
Let's see. So health care is not a right. Basically, it's not society's responsibility to take care of their brothers and sisters -- collectively. However, the ability to deny health insurance to someone which in the end results in their death is a right since it maintains profitability as a whole.
Interesting.
693 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:47:00pm |
re: #689 KingKenrod
My understanding is the House will vote on the exact Senate bill language tomorrow. If it passes, then Obama just needs to sign it. What they do to "fix" it afterwards is anybody's guess.
Fixes needed...
1) Public option (or extend Medicaid to all)
All fixed.
694 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:47:04pm |
re: #686 Walter L. Newton
I will repeat to you what I posted above...
Fortunately, after tomorrow, the Democrats will be able to proudly stand up and take credit for the total reformation of the substandard and unfair state of health care in this country.
The GOP has made a really big mistake not paying close attention to the will of the majority of Americans, who want this reform, who want this bill, Americans and doctors and the medical community who in poll after poll has shown favor to this health care reform bill.
But, the public will be able to make their dissatisfaction known this coming November when they will have to opportunity to vote out the GOP incumbents who spent so much time and effort in attempting to deny this legislation to this country.
Can anyone disagree with these facts?
Hommie your your pearls are being trampled underfoot...
695 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:47:45pm |
re: #693 Walter L. Newton
Fixes needed...
1) Public option (or extend Medicaid to all)
All fixed.
Who are you and what have you done with Mr. Crankypants? :)
696 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:48:25pm |
re: #693 Walter L. Newton
Fixes needed...
1) Public option (or extend Medicaid to all)
All fixed.
wow. You think that is a fix. Unbelieveable.
697 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:48:25pm |
698 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:48:32pm |
re: #692 Gus 802
Let's see. So health care is not a right. Basically, it's not society's responsibility to take care of their brothers and sisters -- collectively. However, the ability to deny health insurance to someone which in the end results in their death is a right since it maintains profitability as a whole.
Interesting.
Won't someone think of the corporations? Who stands up for their rights, huh?
700 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:48:54pm |
701 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:49:01pm |
702 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:49:12pm |
re: #699 windsagio
Well, remember, he's an Actor.
Would you stay the fuck out of this while I have some fun?
703 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:49:40pm |
re: #693 Walter L. Newton
Fixes needed...
1) Public option (or extend Medicaid to all)
All fixed.
/dose 5% appear too small?, be greatfull I don't take it all...
704 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:49:54pm |
re: #702 Walter L. Newton
Steve's not around, and the nuts are being too nutty, who else do I have to bicker with?
705 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:50:19pm |
re: #701 Lateralis
Unbelievable . SP sorry
That's better. I wasn't going to reply to you with that mangled English. What's wrong with extending Medicaid to everyone?
706 | KingKenrod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:50:22pm |
re: #685 Gus 802
Does this mean the people who got ill at Ground Zero have no right to health care, from society? Or is it their personal responsibility to have had health insurance to being with?
Just asking questions.
OK, that is a legal question. If society wants to pay for these people - and a compassionate society would (I hope) - then these people can obtain the legal right to have their health issues paid for. However, they do not have a natural right to be provided for.
707 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:50:32pm |
re: #698 iceweasel
Won't someone think of the corporations? Who stands up for their rights, huh?
This calls for some harmonica music!
So much for going John Galt no? lol What a joke. They're the furthest from John Galt if you think about it. It's like they want to have their cake and eat it too. They claim to be against government collectives yet they're just so crazy about corporate collectivism.
708 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:51:07pm |
re: #688 Thanos
Mr. Trolololo quotes Pushkin
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
From your liink:
Khil's son Dmitry, also a musician, says his dad doesn't really know what the Internet is and suspects all this newfound attention is some kind of joke.
Lololo
709 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:51:23pm |
re: #690 PT Barnum
I think the repubs are going to have a hard time running against regulation of the insurance industry, which will mean that even if they do repeal it, some of the items will either stick around or be fun little points for the next election.
Senator Lardbottom made it possible for your insurance company to drop your coverage just because you got sick.
Senator Lardbottom sided with the insurance companies to deny care to sick children.
etc. etc...
I'm going to repeat myself, and suggest that you, too, have a listen to the This American Life episode I linked above. It covers the history of our present health insurance system, the wild success - and looming failure - of prescription copays introduced by the insurance industry, various distortions directly caused by insurance plans and other interesting facets of this complex and not always obvious topic.
When it first aired a few months ago, I sent links to my representatives; I think it ought to be mandatory listening for everyone in the House and Senate. Rather obviously, no one has taken my advice.
710 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:51:29pm |
re: #686 Walter L. Newton
I will repeat to you what I posted above...
Fortunately, after tomorrow, the Democrats will be able to proudly stand up and take credit for the total reformation of the substandard and unfair state of health care in this country.
The GOP has made a really big mistake not paying close attention to the will of the majority of Americans, who want this reform, who want this bill, Americans and doctors and the medical community who in poll after poll has shown favor to this health care reform bill.
But, the public will be able to make their dissatisfaction known this coming November when they will have to opportunity to vote out the GOP incumbents who spent so much time and effort in attempting to deny this legislation to this country.
Can anyone disagree with these facts?
They can proudly take credit for anything they want, Walter. The American people are not stupid, by and large. People are pissed. This will be the death of their majority. There will be more janitors than democrats left on the hill when this is over. Hopefully, after the next election, we can get a few lws that actually make sense, like forcing the insurance companies to form a high risk pool outlawing denial for pre existing conditions, fraud and waste elimination... the simple things that need to be done to make things better for everyone. Most Americans see this for what it is, no matter party affiliation. They can crow all they want, but it will backfire bigtime. Crowing will seal it for them, permanent vacation wise.
711 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:51:30pm |
re: #699 windsagio
Well, remember, he's an Actor.
Hush! I wanna see Walter make a case for the public option! :)
712 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:51:36pm |
re: #690 PT Barnum
That is the gift of all gifts.
The favorabillity of Reform was at one point exceptionally high - adverts like that will connect and remind the soccermoms that the GOP would like insurance companies to be able to drop the coverage of their children down the line because she had cancer/diabetes/broken leg/acne/athetes foot.
713 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:51:55pm |
Maybe the Health Care bill will have the same fate as the President's Kansas pick.
714 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:52:09pm |
re: #704 windsagio
Steve's not around, and the nuts are being too nutty, who else do I have to bicker with?
You want I should call Stevo and tell him to get on here and bat you around? I got his phone number. I got a LOT of Lizard phone numbers. I'm actually rather friendly when I'm off of here. SOme of these Lizards even stop by and say hi... even yucky Lizards like Cato.
Do you know what it's like to have a Cato in your guest bedroom?
715 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:52:32pm |
re: #680 freetoken
HotWingNuts - home of da Nile.
Yup. Nobody's even close to acknowledging the problem.
716 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:52:35pm |
Yahoo! Kansas lost to Northern Iowa! You have no idea how happy I am!
This is great..*running around the house yelling!*
717 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:52:35pm |
718 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:52:51pm |
re: #681 CapeCoddah
This will not end tomorrow, the Republicans have enough votes to send it back for a re-vote on a couple of points of order.
Constitutionally, there will be a big problem if it is assed in this fashion, because the language being voted on is not identical in both chambers. That is a big No-No, like it or not. Even if it passes, the only dems who will be left in either chamber come January will be those who are not up for re-election, and this mess, if it passes will be scuttled then. The main campaign point, should this pass will be promises to repeal it and we will see what blowout really means. The donks are signing their own death warrant with this, and they think it will keep them in office.
They are in for a shocka.
The GOP will win back many seats this year (although I highly doubt they will take control of either chamber) but their long-term prospects look grim.
The Dems are waiting for this summer for immigration reform. The GOP will oppose it strongly, in part because many won't like any bill the Dems will put forward. The rest will oppose it because they are scared of the Tea Parties. And speaking of the Tea Parties, if you think its ugly now, wait until immigration reform starts. You ain't seen nothing yet.
So, the GOP can say bye-bye to the fastest growing voting bloc in the country. They do it at their own peril.
719 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:53:09pm |
re: #706 KingKenrod
OK, that is a legal question. If society wants to pay for these people - and a compassionate society would (I hope) - then these people can obtain the legal right to have their health issues paid for. However, they do not have a natural right to be provided for.
Moot. they have a class action lawsuit that a judge just tossed back cause 650 millionish was too small.
721 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:54:11pm |
722 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:54:52pm |
re: #716 HoosierHoops
Yahoo! Kansas lost to Northern Iowa! You have no idea how happy I am!
This is great..*running around the house yelling!*
I'm a UNI alum...don't care about basketball, but cool
723 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:55:00pm |
re: #641 wrenchwench
Bicycle! I can't believe you left out bicycle!
Oh, and you are going to tell me am I REQUIRED to buy a helmet now too, right? ;)
724 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:55:02pm |
re: #714 Walter L. Newton
You want I should call Stevo and tell him to get on here and bat you around? I got his phone number. I got a LOT of Lizard phone numbers. I'm actually rather friendly when I'm off of here. SOme of these Lizards even stop by and say hi... even yucky Lizards like Cato.
Do you know what it's like to have a Cato in your guest bedroom?
Having talked to you...No matter what..You have a beautiful spirit Walter in person..It's hard to stay mad at you Bastard! *wink*
725 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:55:25pm |
re: #713 Lateralis
Maybe the Health Care bill will have the same fate as the President's Kansas pick.
You didn't answer my question... "What's wrong with extending Medicaid to everyone?"
726 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:55:55pm |
re: #713 Lateralis
Maybe the Health Care bill will have the same fate as the President's Kansas pick.
No it will first pass and then be voided as unconstitutional... I have nothing against TRUE reform. But this will not stand.
727 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:56:26pm |
re: #724 HoosierHoops
Having talked to you...No matter what..You have a beautiful spirit Walter in person..It's hard to stay mad at you Bastard! *wink*
Windy said it's my charm... I still think it's my good looks. But, who knows... one shouldn't quibble over so many wonderful qualities like I have... I guess I should just thank Gaia that I have them.
728 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:56:31pm |
re: #723 bratwurst
Oh, and you are going to tell me am I REQUIRED to buy a helmet now too, right? ;)
You are flirting!!
729 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:56:41pm |
re: #726 brookly red
No it will first pass and then be voided as unconstitutional... I have nothing against TRUE reform. But this will not stand.
Yes it will... watch.
730 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:56:59pm |
re: #723 bratwurst
Oh, and you are going to tell me am I REQUIRED to buy a helmet now too, right? ;)
BICYCLE!
731 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:56:59pm |
re: #718 soap_man
Ticking off those being buried by insurance costs and hispanics - not a winning policy given the demographics of the next 20 years.
They are welcome to do it.
I still feel for the *homeless* GOP voters who don't like the complete sell out to the uber nonsensical Right - but any sympathy i had the the GOP i had as an entity is pretty much gone. The caucus and the stratergists have an elctoral death wish. anything the Democrats can do to help them with that is fair game now.
If they slide far enough towards obscurity maybe a sane conservative party will emerge that is not entirely kneejerk towards everything and anything invented since 1950.
732 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:57:02pm |
re: #714 Walter L. Newton
Lord, don't do that, you called my bluff :P
733 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:57:49pm |
re: #729 Walter L. Newton
Yes it will... watch.
it will pass, it will not stand... remember McCain/Finegold?
734 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:57:52pm |
re: #727 Walter L. Newton
Windy said it's my charm... I still think it's my good looks. But, who knows... one shouldn't quibble over so many wonderful qualities like I have... I guess I should just thank Gaia that I have them.
You are a joy to speak to.. Windy is a lucky girl..
kind regards
735 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:58:12pm |
re: #730 PT Barnum
BICYCLE!
[Video]
A low point for an otherwise excellent band, pretty much anyway you look at it.
736 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:58:20pm |
re: #720 webevintage
DUDE!
N. Iowa!
!!!
The ultimate bracket breaker. I had KU taking it all.
Go Northern Iowa! Where the hell is that school anyway. North Iowa I suppose - a gym in the middle of a cornfield? Can I get the GPS coordinates.
737 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:58:37pm |
re: #734 HoosierHoops
You are a joy to speak to.. Windy is a lucky girl..
kind regards
Windsagio... should I tell him?
738 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:58:54pm |
re: #731 wozzablog
I didn't mean *people buried by Hispanics....* - the percentage of people actually ticked off by gravediggers of Hispanic origin must be interminably small.
739 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:59:01pm |
740 | freetoken Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:59:05pm |
re: #736 The Shadow Do
It's outside Waterloo. Not a very big school either, I think.
741 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:59:08pm |
re: #737 Walter L. Newton
I'm living my dream right now, don't ruin it >>
742 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:59:55pm |
re: #739 Stanley Sea
I spent an internet lifetime having people think that, I'm lovin' it :D
743 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 4:59:56pm |
re: #723 bratwurst
Oh, and you are going to tell me am I REQUIRED to buy a helmet now too, right? ;)
You are in Massachusetts.
744 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:00:04pm |
re: #741 windsagio
I'm living my dream right now, don't ruin it >>
Really... I almost fell of my fucking chair when HH said that. HH... Windy is my nickname for Windsagio... not my girlfriend.
745 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:00:11pm |
re: #733 brookly red
it will pass, it will not stand... remember McCain/Finegold?
Yeah. Thank good that was overturned through Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. I am really happy now that corporations can play an unprecedented role in politics now and that legal precedent was ignored by the SCOTUS for the first time in history.
746 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:00:14pm |
re: #740 freetoken
It's outside Waterloo. Not a very big school either, I think.
Isn't that in France?
747 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:00:42pm |
re: #736 The Shadow Do
The ultimate bracket breaker. I had KU taking it all.
Go Northern Iowa! Where the hell is that school anyway. North Iowa I suppose - a gym in the middle of a cornfield? Can I get the GPS coordinates.
Cedar Falls, IA...Excellent school for learning things....most undergrad classes taught by professors rather than underpaid Graduate Assistants.
748 | blueraven Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:01:24pm |
re: #698 iceweasel
Won't someone think of the corporations? Who stands up for their rights, huh?
SCOTUS
749 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:01:31pm |
Well, the brown butter experiments were a huge success. I wound up with about a cup of fried milk solids that absolutely reek of that brown butter aroma, and a cup of clarified butter that's also infused with it. Mix the two together, and it's like brown butter to the nth degree.
I'm betting the solids alone will make an interesting condiment. I may be forced to sprinkle them on eggs and hash browns tomorrow.
750 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:01:45pm |
re: #747 PT Barnum
Cedar Falls, IA...Excellent school for learning things...most undergrad classes taught by professors rather than underpaid Graduate Assistants.
Got a gym too, one supposes...
751 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:01:50pm |
re: #725 Walter L. Newton
You didn't answer my question... "What's wrong with extending Medicaid to everyone?"
Paying for it, Walter. "Everything free in America" sounds great, but nothing is free.
Why has reality taken a hiatus?
752 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:01:59pm |
Wow, Lateralis registered the same day I did. I guess we cancel each other out.
753 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:02:10pm |
re: #725 Walter L. Newton
You didn't answer my question... "What's wrong with extending Medicaid to everyone?"
If everyone has government health care, Medicaid, or quality of care will decline. For starters, if the government is in total control of the health care system there is now way you are going to have the same caliber of individual choosing to put themselves through med school. We need a few changes to the system to improve care such as risk pools.
754 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:02:19pm |
re: #733 brookly red
it will pass, it will not stand... remember McCain/Finegold?
It will stand. Every last bit of it, section by section... and more will be added.
755 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:02:52pm |
re: #748 blueraven
SCOTUS
Exactly. Some of the peeps here who are so violently against HCR are also, naturally, fierce defenders of Citizens United. lol.
756 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:03:22pm |
With Kansas out...I could still win this year!
I picked the Orangeman to win it all...98% of everybody picked Kansas!
Woo hoo!
757 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:03:23pm |
re: #753 Lateralis
If everyone has government health care, Medicaid, or quality of care will decline. For starters, if the government is in total control of the health care system there is now way you are going to have the same caliber of individual choosing to put themselves through med school. We need a few changes to the system to improve care such as risk pools.
Where did I say anything about total control? Please quote me? I asked you "What's wrong with extending Medicaid to everyone?" Extending... not requiring.
759 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:03:45pm |
re: #756 HoosierHoops
With Kansas out...I could still win this year!
I picked the Orangeman to win it all...98% of everybody picked Kansas!
Woo hoo!
ME TOO!
760 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:03:49pm |
re: #745 Gus 802
Yeah. Thank good that was overturned through Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. I am really happy now that corporations can play an unprecedented role in politics now and that legal precedent was ignored by the SCOTUS for the first time in history.
pissh. Cooperations... like you have no steak.
761 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:04:00pm |
re: #733 brookly red
it will pass, it will not stand... remember McCain/Finegold?
That damned pesky Constitution again!
762 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:04:01pm |
Actually I love the N. Iowa story today. Indiana State alum here. Some basketball got played there too - back in the day
763 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:04:10pm |
re: #752 prairiefire
Wow, Lateralis registered the same day I did. I guess we cancel each other out.
Karma counts my friend.
764 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:04:14pm |
I couldn't help but notice people using polling data to "prove" that American public opinion is against this health care reform legislation.
Given the context of LGF I suggest these same people better not look at polling data regarding public approval of the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan.
Would they come to the same conclusion based on public opinion in those matters?
765 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:04:30pm |
re: #753 Lateralis
If everyone has government health care, Medicaid, or quality of care will decline. For starters, if the government is in total control of the health care system there is now way you are going to have the same caliber of individual choosing to put themselves through med school. We need a few changes to the system to improve care such as risk pools.
So European, Canadian, Brit, Australian,... doctors are all lower calibre?
The government is going to have total control? How so?
766 | limewash Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:04:45pm |
re: #751 CapeCoddah
That is understandable. What I understood is that one can pay into this system before age 65. I like the idea that I can pay into a health care insurance that I want.
767 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:04:52pm |
re: #757 Walter L. Newton
Where did I say anything about total control? Please quote me? I asked you "What's wrong with extending Medicaid to everyone?" Extending... not requiring.
Dude you kill me. It depends what is means right.
768 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:04:56pm |
My sister lives in Waterloo Iowa.
I called her and they are going CRAZY at her house!
769 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:05:43pm |
re: #751 CapeCoddah
Paying for it, Walter. "Everything free in America" sounds great, but nothing is free.
Why has reality taken a hiatus?
I will bet you that you and I could sit down and look over all the thousands and thousands of dollars being wasted on pork programs and find enough money right there. There is money available.
770 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:06:46pm |
re: #768 webevintage
My sister lives in Waterloo Iowa.
I called her and they are going CRAZY at her house!
What highschool did she go to?
Or is she a recent transplant?
I went to Waterloo Central (sadly no longer exists)
771 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:06:59pm |
re: #759 Stanley Sea
ME TOO!
Isn't this great?!
The reason I love March Madness is because it's like the Superbowl times 65..
I might win...There is going to be a lot of bummed out people at the water cooler Monday morning..YES!
772 | soap_man Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:07:34pm |
re: #767 Lateralis
Dude you kill me. It depends what is means right.
That don't make no sense.
Anyway, I'm out. I'm obligated to go to this shindig tonight, although I'm not happy about braving the weather.
Have a safe night everyone.
773 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:07:36pm |
re: #770 PT Barnum
What highschool did she go to?
Or is she a recent transplant?I went to Waterloo Central (sadly no longer exists)
Transplant from St. Louis.
774 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:07:43pm |
re: #767 Lateralis
Dude you kill me. It depends what is means right.
When does "extending" mean "total control?" I never said total control, did I. And dude, you kill me, because you didn't answer my question. I asked you "What's wrong with extending Medicaid to everyone?" Now that you understand my question, and the meaning of extending, how is my suggestion a problem?
775 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:07:48pm |
re: #756 HoosierHoops
With Kansas out...I could still win this year!
I picked the Orangeman to win it all...98% of everybody picked Kansas!
Woo hoo!
Northern Iowa will kick their ass!
776 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:07:48pm |
re: #757 Walter L. Newton
There are problems inherent with everything.
The case made for compulsion during the primary - it was the only difference between Hilary and Obama in policy terms - was that it would increase the take up among those who wanted it but could not afford it, over the voluntary system where those at the very bottom who would like it but can't afford it would be deterred by paperwork.
If you HAVE to do the paperwork you are more likely to do it. Thats the case made anyway.
777 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:08:37pm |
re: #749 SixDegrees
Well, the brown butter experiments were a huge success. I wound up with about a cup of fried milk solids that absolutely reek of that brown butter aroma, and a cup of clarified butter that's also infused with it. Mix the two together, and it's like brown butter to the nth degree.
I'm betting the solids alone will make an interesting condiment. I may be forced to sprinkle them on eggs and hash browns tomorrow.
Interesting. What prompted the experiment? I've been dabbling with a little simple cheese making. I'm looking forward to experimenting with some more complex cheeses.
778 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:08:37pm |
re: #772 soap_man
That don't make no sense.
Anyway, I'm out. I'm obligated to go to this shindig tonight, although I'm not happy about braving the weather.
Have a safe night everyone.
You too. We got about 18 inches yesterday, hope it doesn't bring you that much?
779 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:09:27pm |
re: #769 Walter L. Newton
I will bet you that you and I could sit down and look over all the thousands and thousands of dollars being wasted on pork programs and find enough money right there. There is money available.
well now you touched a nerve... OK I will go along with single payer if we take all the funding from existing programs... no problemo bring it on!
780 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:10:14pm |
re: #774 Walter L. Newton
When does "extending" mean "total control?" (snip)
It doesn't, but some people see everything in terms of the extremes. Nuance and subtlety fly right by them.
781 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:10:15pm |
re: #775 The Shadow Do
Northern Iowa will kick their ass!
Can you believe it? The only time Kansas was a head was 2-0.. Period..
Ali just drained the shots.. Ice cold...WOW.. This is great this year
782 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:10:18pm |
re: #769 Walter L. Newton
I will bet you that you and I could sit down and look over all the thousands and thousands of dollars being wasted on pork programs and find enough money right there. There is money available.
But that wasted money will never be taken from those pork programs, or all the other places it is wasted. Again with the reality.
783 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:10:18pm |
re: #776 wozzablog
There are problems inherent with everything.
The case made for compulsion during the primary - it was the only difference between Hilary and Obama in policy terms - was that it would increase the take up among those who wanted it but could not afford it, over the voluntary system where those at the very bottom who would like it but can't afford it would be deterred by paperwork.
If you HAVE to do the paperwork you are more likely to do it. Thats the case made anyway.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. I suggested extending Medicaid for anyone who wants it. Would you like that?
784 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:10:35pm |
re: #745 Gus 802
Yeah. Thank good that was overturned through Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. I am really happy now that corporations can play an unprecedented role in politics now and that legal precedent was ignored by the SCOTUS for the first time in history.
Are you suggesting that things were any different prior to the ruling? The only real difference I see is that now, corporations will be directly linked to the ads they fund, whereas in the past their sponsorship was often obscured through a convoluted chain of PACs and SIGs. I'd much prefer to see a political ad "Paid for by Monsanto" than one from the "Americans for Fairness Coalition" or some other such aggregator. Restrictions on corporate funding, just like contribution limits for individuals, never accomplished anything like their intended ends; they simply caused the same amount of money to flow through different pathways.
Also, the notion that corporations are to be treated as individuals forms the basis for laws holding corporations responsible and liable for things like faulty products, polluted land and water, and manslaughter. Be careful what you demand - assigning special status to corporations and removing their identity as individuals throws an awful lot of babies out with the bathwater.
785 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:11:17pm |
re: #760 brookly red
pissh. Cooperations... like you have no steak.
I don't hate corporations. I just believe in balance. Frankly the corporate tax is too high comparatively speaking. They do great things but they also fail in many aspects. They're not the answer to everything in society.
786 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:11:48pm |
re: #782 CapeCoddah
But that wasted money will never be taken from those pork programs, or all the other places it is wasted. Again with the reality.
No again with the let's not look at the possibilities. So, we just go along with the status quo, we don't try to make a real effort to change anything. I hope you're happy with that?
787 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:12:01pm |
788 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:12:43pm |
re: #774 Walter L. Newton
When does "extending" mean "total control?" I never said total control, did I. And dude, you kill me, because you didn't answer my question. I asked you "What's wrong with extending Medicaid to everyone?" Now that you understand my question, and the meaning of extending, how is my suggestion a problem?
Because Medicaid does not work from a cost stand point. They force physicians to take reimbursement rates well below what it cost for the procedures. In turn the cost is shifted to private insurance carriers.
789 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:13:35pm |
re: #786 Walter L. Newton
No again with the let's not look at the possibilities. So, we just go along with the status quo, we don't try to make a real effort to change anything. I hope you're happy with that?
the DA's office needs a few good people.
790 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:14:06pm |
re: #772 soap_man
That don't make no sense.
Anyway, I'm out. I'm obligated to go to this shindig tonight, although I'm not happy about braving the weather.
Have a safe night everyone.
I may be quoting it wrong but I do recall a past president contemplating the meaning of is.
791 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:14:29pm |
re: #785 Gus 802
I don't hate corporations. I just believe in balance. Frankly the corporate tax is too high comparatively speaking. They do great things but they also fail in many aspects. They're not the answer to everything in society.
Corporations are made up of people. Employees who depend on those companies to feed, house and clothe them and their families. Millions of them. Why should they have no say? They have every right to campaign for what is best for them and those millions of folks, staying in business profitably and keeping those folks gainfully employed. Corporations do not exist without the workforce of human beings they employ.
792 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:15:10pm |
Statement just released:
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO) just released a statement detailing an incident today in he says an anti-reform protestor spat on him as Cleaver entered the Capitol. The man who allegedly spat on the three-term incumbent Democrat was later arrested Capitol by police, Cleaver's office said.
793 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:15:11pm |
re: #779 brookly red
well now you touched a nerve... OK I will go along with single payer if we take all the funding from existing programs... no problemo bring it on!
I'm not sure what you mean my "all the money" and "existing programs." But anyway, I am sure that there is enough money out there in those sorts of program, really unnecessary, make work, make nice programs that could be defunded. Will some people take a hit. Well sure. So what?
I'm not suggesting that we force anyone to take any sort of coverage, and I am not suggesting that we stop anyone from paying all they want and all they can for some private insurance... but I am suggesting that we extend, offer, make available Medicaid to all those who want to go that route.
794 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:15:18pm |
re: #786 Walter L. Newton
No again with the let's not look at the possibilities. So, we just go along with the status quo, we don't try to make a real effort to change anything. I hope you're happy with that?
No, not happy with that, Walter, but, again with the reality thing. Wishing feeds no one.
795 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:16:14pm |
re: #792 Stanley Sea
That is sad. Reverend Cleaver is a good man.
796 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:16:19pm |
re: #783 Walter L. Newton
You made the distinction between requiring and expanding - i gave the campaign rationale for requiring enrollment.
I couldn't decide during the Democratic primary between extensions of offered programmes and requirements to enroll.
Medicare Part E(veryone) was being kicked around within the progressive democratic caucus - the bluedog dems would never have voted for it if it even if it was the stated Presidential policy.
KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid, is generally the best policy, unfortunately the best policy was never on the table. Exspansion to everyone is pretty much moot until this system is atleast bedded in.
797 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:16:21pm |
re: #784 SixDegrees
Sounds good. They were hidden in PACs anyway. We'll just have to wait and see what happens this year and in 2012.
798 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:16:29pm |
re: #788 Lateralis
Because Medicaid does not work from a cost stand point. They force physicians to take reimbursement rates well below what it cost for the procedures. In turn the cost is shifted to private insurance carriers.
That can be changed, couldn't it?
799 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:16:30pm |
re: #781 HoosierHoops
Can you believe it? The only time Kansas was a head was 2-0.. Period..
Ali just drained the shots.. Ice cold...WOW.. This is great this year
I had Kansas, Syracuse, Villanova and Kentucky in my final four. This ain't workin out so hot.
Know why I love the NCAA's? It reminds me of the high school tournament I grew up with in Indiana. There, once every fifty years or so, arises a Milan to win it all. When a small school wins a Regional it is every bit as satisfying as winning it all. Maybe better. David and Goliath and all that.
800 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:16:54pm |
re: #791 CapeCoddah
Corporations are made up of people. Employees who depend on those companies to feed, house and clothe them and their families. Millions of them. Why should they have no say? They have every right to campaign for what is best for them and those millions of folks, staying in business profitably and keeping those folks gainfully employed. Corporations do not exist without the workforce of human beings they employ.
I know of several corporations who treat their people so well the employees recently voted to decertify their unions.
Those bastards!
801 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:16:56pm |
re: #787 bratwurst
I am all about Fat Bottomed Girls!
Finally a meeting of the minds!
Back It Up
802 | SixDegrees Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:17:25pm |
re: #777 Killgore Trout
Interesting. What prompted the experiment? I've been dabbling with a little simple cheese making. I'm looking forward to experimenting with some more complex cheeses.
I just really, really like brown butter. It adds a lot more flavor than ordinary butter. The problem is, the flavor is caused by the milk solids in the butter frying in the butter's fat, and there's not a whole lot of those solids in butter, so there's a limit on flavor - not to mention gobs of saturated fat.
The solution was to add milk solids - in the form of non-fat powdered milk - to the butter after most of the water had been simmered off. You get huge volumes of the solids, which can be strained out through cheesecloth and kept separate and used alone for flavoring, without all the fat - which can also be kept, of course.
I threw some of each on green beans tonight, and it rocked.
803 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:17:27pm |
re: #785 Gus 802
I don't hate corporations. I just believe in balance. Frankly the corporate tax is too high comparatively speaking. They do great things but they also fail in many aspects. They're not the answer to everything in society.
Quite a few people seem to have boundless faith in and love for corporations. Taibbi gets it.
The peasant mentality lives on in America.
actual rich people can’t ever be the target. It’s a classic peasant mentality: going into fits of groveling and bowing whenever the master’s carriage rides by, then fuming against the Turks in Crimea or the Jews in the Pale or whoever after spending fifteen hard hours in the fields. You know you’re a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your shit. Whatever the master does, you’re on board. When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. Or he puts out newspapers full of innuendo about this or that faraway group and you immediately salute and rush off to join the hate squad. A good peasant is loyal, simpleminded, and full of misdirected anger. And that’s what we’ve got now, a lot of misdirected anger searching around for a non-target to mis-punish… can’t be mad at AIG, can’t be mad at Citi or Goldman Sachs. The real villains have to be the anti-AIG protesters! After all, those people earned those bonuses! If ever there was a textbook case of peasant thinking, it’s struggling middle-class Americans burned up in defense of taxpayer-funded bonuses to millionaires. It’s really weird stuff.
804 | limewash Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:17:55pm |
re: #788 Lateralis
Is Medicare Cost Effective?
[Link: www.hopkinsmedicine.org...]
Medicare and doctors:
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
"At the beginning of each year, providers decided whether they will do business with Medicare. In other words, they choose whether or not to accept public insurance like Medicare or Medicaid. Almost all of them choose to do so, because providing health services to Medicare patients is actually a very profitable business (Medicaid patients, less so). But you can go here for a list of "participating" physicians. And for all the talk of underpayment, these providers don't participate because the law says they have to. It doesn't. They can refuse to participate in Medicare just as they can refuse to participate in Aetna. But by and large, they don't refuse, because it's good business to work with Medicare."
805 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:18:00pm |
re: #796 wozzablog
You made the distinction between requiring and expanding - i gave the campaign rationale for requiring enrollment.
I couldn't decide during the Democratic primary between extensions of offered programmes and requirements to enroll.
Medicare Part E(veryone) was being kicked around within the progressive democratic caucus - the bluedog dems would never have voted for it if it even if it was the stated Presidential policy.
KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid, is generally the best policy, unfortunately the best policy was never on the table. Exspansion to everyone is pretty much moot until this system is atleast bedded in.
Expansion to every? Do you mean mandatory for everyone? Is that what you best policy suggestion encompasses?
806 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:18:34pm |
re: #788 Lateralis
Because Medicaid does not work from a cost stand point. They force physicians to take reimbursement rates well below what it cost for the procedures. In turn the cost is shifted to private insurance carriers.
If this goes into effect, you are gonna see those docs who stay go cash/ fee only. Refuse insurance. LOTS of that happening here in Mass, because they cannot survive on the cuts implemented. THAT is a fact. Now, we will all have "Insurance" but, no one will take it. They have every right to do that. What then?
807 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:19:46pm |
re: #794 CapeCoddah
No, not happy with that, Walter, but, again with the reality thing. Wishing feeds no one.
I never used the term "wishing." And I am not talking about "food" I don't think. Nothing to see here...
808 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:20:13pm |
re: #806 CapeCoddah
If this goes into effect, you are gonna see those docs who stay go cash/ fee only. Refuse insurance. LOTS of that happening here in Mass, because they cannot survive on the cuts implemented. THAT is a fact. Now, we will all have "Insurance" but, no one will take it. They have every right to do that. What then?
I heard recently there are several hospitals suing the state of Mass over lack of payments. True?
809 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:20:22pm |
re: #806 CapeCoddah
If this goes into effect, you are gonna see those docs who stay go cash/ fee only. Refuse insurance. LOTS of that happening here in Mass, because they cannot survive on the cuts implemented. THAT is a fact. Now, we will all have "Insurance" but, no one will take it. They have every right to do that. What then?
Reform the payment structure so it makes sense.
810 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:21:34pm |
re: #808 Racer X
I heard recently there are several hospitals suing the state of Mass over lack of payments. True?
Absolutely true, along with proposed rationing by our legless governor.
811 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:22:09pm |
As someone from a country with single payer universal care, I have to say our system failed my maternal grandfather, supported my paternal grandfather, extended the life of my maternal grandmother, consoled my paternal grandmother, and gave my mother many extra years and eased her pain when she most needed it.
The country hasn't gone bankrupt, in fact it is one of the most prosperous in the world, none of my freedoms have been compromised and I know when it is time for me to see Death and Binky in person, the system will do everything it can to make me comfortable and at ease.
The big bad socialist medical system, really isn't scary.
812 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:22:24pm |
re: #809 Walter L. Newton
Reform the payment structure so it makes sense.
That will not happen either.
813 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:22:28pm |
re: #803 iceweasel
Exactly. Don't blame AIG, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, Citi, etc. for the financial meltdown. Instead blame it all on Barney Frank, select Democrats, and so on. Then when it's time to bring back regulations that can prevent that. Fight against those regulations and speak as though one is a part of that elitist class of financial executives some of which "are doing God's work."
I also see it as a plantation mentality.
814 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:23:14pm |
re: #798 Walter L. Newton
That can be changed, couldn't it?
Sure. More taxes to fund it so the reimbursement rate is higher. In fact, instead of this health care bill why don't they just increase taxes to cover the 20 - 40 million not covered and require risk pools in each state. However, I still think the reality of it is that the changes do not address the fact that most health care spend is in the last years and months of life.
815 | wrenchwench Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:23:18pm |
re: #792 Stanley Sea
Statement just released:
This is petty of me, but now I hope the bill passes just because that spitter is against it.
816 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:23:21pm |
re: #799 The Shadow Do
I had Kansas, Syracuse, Villanova and Kentucky in my final four. This ain't workin out so hot.
Know why I love the NCAA's? It reminds me of the high school tournament I grew up with in Indiana. There, once every fifty years or so, arises a Milan to win it all. When a small school wins a Regional it is every bit as satisfying as winning it all. Maybe better. David and Goliath and all that.
Awesome! Great post!
I played ball in school..To beat a bigger stronger faster team once in your life is life changing.. The Nor Iowa team must be in the clouds tonight!
817 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:23:37pm |
re: #801 Bagua
Funny how something like this has a way of bringing men of diverse opinions together! Sir Mix-A-Lot was truly wise.
818 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:23:42pm |
re: #806 CapeCoddah
If this goes into effect, you are gonna see those docs who stay go cash/ fee only. Refuse insurance. LOTS of that happening here in Mass, because they cannot survive on the cuts implemented. THAT is a fact. Now, we will all have "Insurance" but, no one will take it. They have every right to do that. What then?
well it is coming, but it can't stand & that is the folly... if they had gone about this the right way they could have come up with a plan (like in Mass.) that would work, but they had to get greedy & corrupt... they can pass it but they can't keep it cause it is just plain illegal.
819 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:23:45pm |
re: #808 Racer X
I heard recently there are several hospitals suing the state of Mass over lack of payments. True?
Shhh... Look, Unicorns!
820 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:23:54pm |
re: #800 Racer X
I know of several corporations who treat their people so well the employees recently voted to decertify their unions.
Those bastards!
I suspect you will also find, anecdotally speaking of course, companies that treat their workers like shit but know it is an employer's market out there.
821 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:24:05pm |
re: #805 Walter L. Newton
Expanding the option to enroll in medicaid to everyone is what i thought you were arguing for.
I was putting the case given for requirement to enroll in either medicaid or medicare - requirement being the current policy to enroll in any available applicable programme.
I don't particularly have an opinion as what is best under the presently hypothetical choice between requiring enrollment of all without insurance into medicaid/medicare or the requirement of all without insurance to join.
822 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:24:22pm |
re: #802 SixDegrees
I just really, really like brown butter. It adds a lot more flavor than ordinary butter. The problem is, the flavor is caused by the milk solids in the butter frying in the butter's fat, and there's not a whole lot of those solids in butter, so there's a limit on flavor - not to mention gobs of saturated fat.
The solution was to add milk solids - in the form of non-fat powdered milk - to the butter after most of the water had been simmered off. You get huge volumes of the solids, which can be strained out through cheesecloth and kept separate and used alone for flavoring, without all the fat - which can also be kept, of course.
I threw some of each on green beans tonight, and it rocked.
What a fantastic idea!
823 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:24:23pm |
re: #810 CapeCoddah
Absolutely true, along with proposed rationing by our legless governor.
Interesting.
Massachusetts health program, model for Obama’s reform, strains state budget
In 2006, the state of Massachusetts passed a sweeping overhaul of the state’s health-care system. The system, which influenced the Obama administration’s plans for national reform, has since faced unexpected and unchecked growth in costs, both to the government and individuals, forcing the government to cut benefits and raise taxes. Now analysts say that without significant policy changes, the program’s long-term viability is in doubt.
824 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:25:47pm |
re: #802 SixDegrees
I just really, really like brown butter. It adds a lot more flavor than ordinary butter. The problem is, the flavor is caused by the milk solids in the butter frying in the butter's fat, and there's not a whole lot of those solids in butter, so there's a limit on flavor - not to mention gobs of saturated fat.
The solution was to add milk solids - in the form of non-fat powdered milk - to the butter after most of the water had been simmered off. You get huge volumes of the solids, which can be strained out through cheesecloth and kept separate and used alone for flavoring, without all the fat - which can also be kept, of course.
I threw some of each on green beans tonight, and it rocked.
Would you stop talking about it, I had to suffer through store bought pizza tonight, and my jealously meter just pegged.
826 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:25:56pm |
re: #811 b_sharp
As someone from a country with single payer universal care, I have to say our system failed my maternal grandfather, supported my paternal grandfather, extended the life of my maternal grandmother, consoled my paternal grandmother, and gave my mother many extra years and eased her pain when she most needed it.
The country hasn't gone bankrupt, in fact it is one of the most prosperous in the world, none of my freedoms have been compromised and I know when it is time for me to see Death and Binky in person, the system will do everything it can to make me comfortable and at ease.
The big bad socialist medical system, really isn't scary.
I don't think you can compare the bureaucracy that will ensue with socialized medicine in a country the size of the US compared to smaller socialized countries.
827 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:26:25pm |
re: #823 Racer X
From that article which was from Reason magazine by the way:
Others say budgetary concerns have been blown out of proportion. A November 2009 article in the New England Journal of Medicine, for example, notes that the cost to the state’s general fund has not been unmanageable.
828 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:26:53pm |
re: #820 b_sharp
I suspect you will also find, anecdotally speaking of course, companies that treat their workers like shit but know it is an employer's market out there.
Absolutely!
But the free market also course corrects. Those corporations who treat their people like shit usually don't succeed. The big companies that have been around a while usually treat their people well.
830 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:27:41pm |
831 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:28:12pm |
re: #812 CapeCoddah
re: #809 Walter L. Newton
Reform the payment structure so it makes sense.
That will not happen either.
It certainly won't if you don't try.
832 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:28:50pm |
re: #818 brookly red
well it is coming, but it can't stand & that is the folly... if they had gone about this the right way they could have come up with a plan (like in Mass.) that would work, but they had to get greedy & corrupt... they can pass it but they can't keep it cause it is just plain illegal.
It is NOT working here at all... it is bankrupting us at warp speed, even with federal subsidies, the hole is 22 mil so far, THIS YEAR. Rationing has been proposed, rates have skyrocketed EVERY year and hospitals are going into the black hole of debt. It is an utter failure, and noone wants to see that. Those are the hard, cold FACTS.
833 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:29:05pm |
re: #828 Racer X
Those corporations who treat their people like shit usually don't succeed.
Is that the Wal-Mart way?
834 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:29:13pm |
re: #816 HoosierHoops
Awesome! Great post!
I played ball in school..To beat a bigger stronger faster team once in your life is life changing.. The Nor Iowa team must be in the clouds tonight!
I'm fer em!
835 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:29:47pm |
re: #825 CapeCoddah
Sadly, we will no doubt see more evil medical corporations suing the government to obtain their illicit profits.
836 | blueraven Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:29:53pm |
re: #791 CapeCoddah
Corporations are made up of people. Employees who depend on those companies to feed, house and clothe them and their families. Millions of them. Why should they have no say? They have every right to campaign for what is best for them and those millions of folks, staying in business profitably and keeping those folks gainfully employed. Corporations do not exist without the workforce of human beings they employ.
Wow. "I owe my soull to the company store"
Yes and the people who make up corporations are individuals.
The corporation does not own their voices.
837 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:30:18pm |
re: #832 CapeCoddah
It is NOT working here at all... it is bankrupting us at warp speed, even with federal subsidies, the hole is 22 mil so far, THIS YEAR. Rationing has been proposed, rates have skyrocketed EVERY year and hospitals are going into the black hole of debt. It is an utter failure, and noone wants to see that. Those are the hard, cold FACTS.
I know that, I just threw it out there as red meat for the yapping curs...
838 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:31:01pm |
re: #837 brookly red
I know that, I just threw it out there as red meat for the yapping curs...
Yapping curs... that's nice... thanks...
839 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:31:10pm |
re: #828 Racer X
Absolutely!
But the free market also course corrects. Those corporations who treat their people like shit usually don't succeed. The big companies that have been around a while usually treat their people well.
Just so. That is how it goes.
840 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:31:22pm |
re: #817 bratwurst
Funny how something like this has a way of bringing men of diverse opinions together! Sir Mix-A-Lot was truly wise.
It's a beautiful thing...
Whine Up
- Kat DeLuna & Elephant Man
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841 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:31:29pm |
re: #833 bratwurst
Is that the Wal-Mart way?
Yes.
Walmart treats their truck drivers like kings. They consistently vote no to unions. Drives the Teamsters nuts.
842 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:31:43pm |
re: #836 blueraven
Wow. "I owe my soull to the company store"
Yes and the people who make up corporations are individuals.The corporation does not own their voices.
no the voices are controlled by the union...
844 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:32:54pm |
re: #834 The Shadow Do
I'm fer em!
I just hooked up the new HP Elitebook Laptop to the Samsung big screen..
I can stream any game I want wireless from CBSsportsline.com to the TV..
I can do picture in picture also..Technology Rocks!
845 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:32:56pm |
BBIAB... don't solve health care reform until I get back.
846 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:33:30pm |
re: #825 CapeCoddah
There are budgetary problems all across the board during this recession and it is also affecting the health care budget there. Even that article indicates it as the reason:
Six community hospitals, squeezed by the economic downturn and the Massachusetts budget crunch, are set to file a lawsuit in Suffolk Superior Court this morning seeking millions of dollars from the state for unpaid health care services.
Same article also states:
Porten said the 212-bed hospital, where 71 percent of patients are covered by Medicaid or other public insurance, has been forced to lay off 88 employees over the past year.
Citing Holyoke’s high poverty rate, he said: “There’s not a lot of other places people here can go for care. Long term, we have to get a solution to our funding.’’
They can and must find a solution. Sacrificing the lives of those people who have nowhere else to go is not an option.
847 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:33:57pm |
re: #841 Racer X
Yes.
Walmart treats their truck drivers like kings. They consistently vote no to unions. Drives the Teamsters nuts.
I don't think Coors has a union either. At least they didn't used to.
848 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:34:21pm |
We don't have the money. Right. Yeah, I forgot it's more important to use that money in "nation building."
849 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:35:08pm |
re: #838 Walter L. Newton
Yapping curs... that's nice... thanks...
hey I have to listen to all kinds of insults (in fact I guarantee -3 on this post ) so what is the big deal?
850 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:35:08pm |
re: #837 brookly red
I know that, I just threw it out there as red meat for the yapping curs...
LOL!!
851 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:35:24pm |
re: #848 Gus 802
We don't have the money. Right. Yeah, I forgot it's more important to use that money in "nation building."
Hey, if you put that money into your own nation, it's socialism! Redistributing the wealth!
..Wait, what?
852 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:35:51pm |
re: #826 Lateralis
I don't think you can compare the bureaucracy that will ensue with socialized medicine in a country the size of the US compared to smaller socialized countries.
Yes, of course, it is so much more difficult to govern 300mil as opposed to 30mil ///
By that logic, it should be a slam dunk to get it to work in smaller groups. Perhaps the country should be broken into smaller chunks, with their own local control and responsibility, and they could be known as, oh say, Provinces, or States?
Sorry for the dripping sarcasm, but that argument is just another 'no true Scotsman' fallacy and should be retired, quickly.
853 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:36:03pm |
re: #836 blueraven
Wow. "I owe my soull to the company store"
Yes and the people who make up corporations are individuals.The corporation does not own their voices.
And when those corporations are taxed out of business... Where do those employees go, may I ask?
854 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:36:39pm |
855 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:36:55pm |
re: #844 HoosierHoops
I just hooked up the new HP Elitebook Laptop to the Samsung big screen..
I can stream any game I want wireless from CBSsportsline.com to the TV..
I can do picture in picture also..Technology Rocks!
Holy shit! Hoops heaven!
If only I weren't such an electronic luddite, I could go there too...
(I'm old school for a reason...I'm old, dammit)
856 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:37:47pm |
re: #853 CapeCoddah
And when those corporations are taxed out of business... Where do those employees go, may I ask?
They run for congress?
857 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:38:06pm |
re: #851 iceweasel
Hey, if you put that money into your own nation, it's socialism! Redistributing the wealth!
..Wait, what?
Well that's different!!111!!!! THe future of humanity is at steak!11!!
/
858 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:38:33pm |
re: #840 Bagua
The fact we can see eye-to-eye on the issue of female posteriors gives me hope that we can reach consensus elsewhere!
859 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:38:55pm |
re: #853 CapeCoddah
And when those corporations are taxed out of business... Where do those employees go, may I ask?
Walmart? (too easy)
860 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:38:56pm |
re: #853 CapeCoddah
And when those corporations are taxed out of business... Where do those employees go, may I ask?
uhh, into the welfare state?
861 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:39:01pm |
re: #846 Gus 802
They can and must find a solution. Sacrificing the lives of those people who have nowhere else to go is not an option.
The hospitals are not getting paid, or are getting paid much less than they need to survive, because this debacle has BANKRUPTED US!! What don't you get? The problem is you don't WANT to get it.
862 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:39:37pm |
re: #858 bratwurst
For the record, Swass was the only Mix album worth a damn.
863 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:39:41pm |
re: #853 CapeCoddah
And when those corporations are taxed out of business... Where do those employees go, may I ask?
Duh, China. Everyone knows that.
865 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:40:15pm |
re: #863 Bagua
it is funny when you mention that, business wise, the only major communist state in the world is kicking our asses >
866 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:40:24pm |
re: #861 CapeCoddah
The hospitals are not getting paid, or are getting paid much less than they need to survive, because this debacle has BANKRUPTED US!! What don't you get? The problem is you don't WANT to get it.
I do get it. My point is simply that we're wasting our money in other places and health care is far more important.
868 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:40:57pm |
Life is about balance.
Bad employers get balanced out by the good ones. Government must be balanced out by private corporations. When things get out of balance it gets messy.
869 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:41:11pm |
re: #861 CapeCoddah
The hospitals are not getting paid, or are getting paid much less than they need to survive, because this debacle has BANKRUPTED US!! What don't you get? The problem is you don't WANT to get it.
/ NO, no, no, no la la la hope & change I can't hear you... la la la
870 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:41:20pm |
872 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:41:40pm |
re: #868 Racer X
That's why in an ideal world, it'd be easy for unions to come in and out of use as the balance shifted.
Unfortunately, we're a long ways from ideal >>
873 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:41:55pm |
re: #862 windsagio
For the record, Swass was the only Mix album worth a damn.
Hey, I used to live in the Seattle area and ate many a burger at Dick's. The posse is indeed on Broadway!
874 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:42:27pm |
re: #869 brookly red
/ NO, no, no, no la la la hope & change I can't hear you... la la la
I see reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.
875 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:42:38pm |
re: #864 wozzablog
Canard.
Reality. Glad to know you think everyone employed by a large corporation is disposable.
876 | jvic Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:42:39pm |
re: #313 jvic
re: #731 wozzablog
I still feel for the *homeless* GOP voters who don't like the complete sell out to the uber nonsensical Right - but any sympathy i had the the GOP i had as an entity is pretty much gone.
Although I've never actually registered GOP, I consider myself one of those homeless voters. Put me in the 'Obama is Bush on steroids' camp. Afaic the difference is in degree, not in kind.
I thought Sotomayor was a mediocre choice for SCOTUS--but when I watched the conniptions on the Right, I wondered where those people were during the Miers nomination. (I know where some of them were: when I protested on conservative sites, they treated me like cannon fodder who should do what he was told.)
I wonder where the Right's fiscal responsibility was while Bush did not veto a single spending bill from the Republican Congress.
I would be pleased to see Obamacare defeated--but I wonder where the Right's moral indignation was in 2004:
An internal investigation by the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the top Medicare official threatened to fire the program's chief actuary if he told Congress that drug benefits would probably cost much more than the White House acknowledged.
Those Bush conservatives...so doggone compassionate...
877 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:42:51pm |
re: #855 The Shadow Do
Holy shit! Hoops heaven!
If only I weren't such an electronic luddite, I could go there too...
(I'm old school for a reason...I'm old, dammit)
I got an HP 6930 laptop running the Hi Def big screen TV...I'm posting with a dual core dell d620 and I have a Lenovo T61 logged into the corporate network via VPN across the room..I'm a tech nut...System Admin
878 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:43:15pm |
re: #865 windsagio
it is funny when you mention that, business wise, the only major communist state in the world is kicking our asses >
Who is this our paleface?
879 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:43:33pm |
re: #833 bratwurst
Is that the Wal-Mart way?
I'd say so.
When it comes to commiserating with the downtrodden store worker, or saving a pile of money, the money will win. To hell with the worker.
Market worshippers (oops, did I just make it a religion? My bad), don't seem to have a good grasp of human psychology, humans do not unfailingly do what is best for them, they do what they believe, or have been convinced, is best for them. The two are not necessarily the same thing.
880 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:43:47pm |
re: #868 Racer X
Life is about balance.
Bad employers get balanced out by the good ones. Government must be balanced out by private corporations. When things get out of balance it gets
messy.
Dangerous.
881 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:43:52pm |
Some awesome amounts of butthurt on this thread, I must say, but it's been pretty civil, for the most part.
882 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:44:01pm |
re: #873 bratwurst
My sister and I (we both bought it orignially) still jointly own the original cassette with its poster/fanclub signup intact!
also:
Me and Kid sensation, in home away from home/
in the black benz limo with the cellular phone...
883 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:44:33pm |
re: #867 wozzablog
George W Bush - 8 More Years.
WTF? is that the best you can do? on you f'n knees! the statute of limitations on Bush is over and you ain't got shit to say. O owns this whole shit storm, have a nice day.
884 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:44:33pm |
Canary
885 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:44:36pm |
re: #881 iceweasel
well you know, there's really no reason to gloat :P
886 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:44:37pm |
re: #806 CapeCoddah
If this goes into effect, you are gonna see those docs who stay go cash/ fee only. Refuse insurance. LOTS of that happening here in Mass, because they cannot survive on the cuts implemented. THAT is a fact. Now, we will all have "Insurance" but, no one will take it. They have every right to do that. What then?
$800 million for new community health centers that pay VA rates for drugs and supplies, thanks to Bernie Sanders.
887 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:44:55pm |
re: #881 iceweasel
Some awesome amounts of butthurt on this thread, I must say, but it's been pretty civil, for the most part.
[Video]
Yeah. I'm surprised teh Mooslims haven't been blamed yet.
888 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:45:06pm |
re: #838 Walter L. Newton
Yapping curs... that's nice... thanks...
Some of those yapping cures have nice sharp pointy teeth, don't they Walter?
890 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:45:20pm |
re: #874 Gus 802
I see reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.
He got it dead on. No pun intended.
891 | Randall Gross Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:45:33pm |
The other Canary
892 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:45:34pm |
re: #887 Gus 802
What's the impact of this bill in the War on Terror?!
893 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:46:10pm |
re: #874 Gus 802
I see reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.
why do I need to know how to read... congresspeople don't have to.
894 | blueraven Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:46:17pm |
re: #842 brookly red
I don't think the unions should be able to speak louder than their individual members either. But you seem to think corporations should have that power.
re: #853 CapeCoddah
I didn't realize the SCOTUS decision was about taxes. I thought it was about campaign contributions. Nice attempt at deflection though.
895 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:46:17pm |
re: #892 windsagio
What's the impact of this bill in the War on Terror?!
Feck health care!1!! We have to use that money to fight Ishlamic Extremism!11!!
/
897 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:46:42pm |
re: #889 windsagio
err *late 80s
If you can remember the 20th century, you weren't really there! ;)
Saw a lot of gigs at Starry Nights in PDX back in the day too.
898 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:47:03pm |
re: #892 windsagio
What's the impact of this bill in the War on Terror?!
Has anyone considered yet how passing HCR might embolden our enemies? All this talk about the sick makes us look weak to them!1!
899 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:47:33pm |
re: #893 brookly red
Its always fascinating how the conservative mindset is almost always couched with this hyperbolic cynicism about politicians.
900 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:47:52pm |
re: #892 windsagio
What's the impact of this bill in the War on Terror?!
Healthier recruits for the armed forces.
901 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:49:07pm |
Evening folks! I see the Mass health care system is being discussed. The failure in the health care system going on in Mass is not just financial...
In Massachusetts, Universal Coverage Strains Care
AMHERST, Mass. — Once they discover that she is Dr. Kate, the supplicants line up to approach at dinner parties and ballet recitals. Surely, they suggest to Dr. Katherine J. Atkinson, a family physician here, she might find a way to move them up her lengthy waiting list for new patients.
Those fortunate enough to make it soon learn they face another long wait: Dr. Atkinson’s next opening for a physical is not until early May — of 2009.
In pockets of the United States, rural and urban, a confluence of market and medical forces has been widening the gap between the supply of primary care physicians and the demand for their services. Modest pay, medical school debt, an aging population and the prevalence of chronic disease have each played a role.
Now in Massachusetts, in an unintended consequence of universal coverage, the imbalance is being exacerbated by the state’s new law requiring residents to have health insurance.
Since last year, when the landmark law took effect, about 340,000 of Massachusetts’ estimated 600,000 uninsured have gained coverage. Many are now searching for doctors and scheduling appointments for long-deferred care.
Here in western Massachusetts, Dr. Atkinson’s bustling 3,000-patient practice, which was closed to new patients for several years, has taken on 50 newcomers since she hired a part-time nurse practitioner in November. About a third were newly insured, Dr. Atkinson said. Just north of here in Athol, the doctors at North Quabbin Family Physicians are now seeing four to six new patients a day, up from one or two a year ago.
[snip]
902 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:49:20pm |
re: #875 CapeCoddah
Hmmm.
You see, now, right - uh-huh..... if companys are not being allowed to fail because of their own failures at the moment due to the catastrophic effect they would have on employment, etc - why would they be allowed to fail if taxes set by the government that is saving companys all over the place allow them to fail then?
Also - the only companies that would be put out of business by increases in taxes are already operating paper thin margins - and if it was not a tax bill it would be an unpaid invoice or late orders.
If a company can be put out of business by a late invoice - should it not fail under market conditions?.
Taxes are just another invoice - it's the invoice that keeps the streets paved so they can move goods, the schools funded so the employees walking in are not dunces, funds the firedepartment if their business caught alight............
903 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:49:54pm |
re: #898 iceweasel
Has anyone considered yet how passing HCR might embolden our enemies? All this talk about the sick makes us look weak to them!1!
It will only show our enemies that we weak and unhealthy!!!!11!! They will use it against us!1!11
Are you with me? You're either with us or against us!
904 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:49:54pm |
re: #897 bratwurst
The man you wanna talk to is WUB, he can go on for hours about the NW music scene. I'm more just an appreciative fan-from-a-distance.
What years were oyu in Seattle if I may ask? (Was in HS when Grunge really hit, personally >>)
905 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:50:16pm |
Somne hospitals have found a formula for re: #877 HoosierHoops
I got an HP 6930 laptop running the Hi Def big screen TV...I'm posting with a dual core dell d620 and I have a Lenovo T61 logged into the corporate network via VPN across the room..I'm a tech nut...System Admin
You clearly have the ability to set up the ultimate 'man room'.
906 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:50:42pm |
re: #826 Lateralis
Except when it advances a conservative talking point.
907 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:51:02pm |
re: #899 windsagio
Its always fascinating how the conservative mindset is almost always couched with this hyperbolic cynicism about politicians.
What conservative mindset is that ? I am a registered Democrat form New York Liberal Fucking City...
908 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:51:15pm |
re: #894 blueraven
I don't think the unions should be able to speak louder than their individual members either. But you seem to think corporations should have that power.
re: #853 CapeCoddah
I didn't realize the SCOTUS decision was about taxes. I thought it was about campaign contributions. Nice attempt at deflection though.
It is about the right of corporations to support candidates who will keep the tax rates in check somewhat. Nice dodge yourself. Donks biggest problem is never looking past the first layer of any issue, they are like crows spotting something shiny.... something that turns out to have nasty consequences after one picks it up. But, all you see is the shiny. It is unfortunate, but one cannot fix stupid.
909 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:51:34pm |
re: #901 NJDhockeyfan
MA still like their health care system 68-27
[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]
910 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:51:42pm |
re: #907 brookly red
I said 'conservative' not 'Republican'.
And seriously, I only buy crack from people I trust :P
911 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:51:56pm |
re: #898 iceweasel
Has anyone considered yet how passing HCR might embolden our enemies? All this talk about the sick makes us look weak to them!1!
I still say the Netherlands have the best health care in the world.. I wish we would adopt their ideas..
912 | Lateralis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:52:19pm |
re: #898 iceweasel
Has anyone considered yet how passing HCR might embolden our enemies? All this talk about the sick makes us look weak to them!1!
No but continued economic deterioration does make us look weak and Health Care reform will only make that decline worse. Watch the markets on Monday.
913 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:52:45pm |
re: #910 windsagio
I said 'conservative' not 'Republican'.
And seriously, I only buy crack from people I trust :P
grow a pair and post the quote...
914 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:52:51pm |
re: #841 Racer X
Yes.
Walmart treats their truck drivers like kings. They consistently vote no to unions. Drives the Teamsters nuts.
I can vouch for this.
They do.
They are the highest paid non-management workers in the company.
915 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:52:55pm |
re: #903 Gus 802
It will only show our enemies that we weak and unhealthy!!!11!! They will use it against us!1!11
Are you with me? You're either with us or against us!
YES! Fortunately, the brave little corporations are looking out for us:
Readers here have reported the same thing.
I work for a company that employs 10’s of thousands of people—mostly in red and purple states. I didn’t work the last few days of this past week—so I’m just learning about a memo they sent us that essentially tells us we could lose our jobs if HCR passes on Sunday—so we should call our representatives and tell them to vote “no.”
I'm so glad we have their help on the WoT. Where might we be without Blackwater?
916 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:52:57pm |
re: #911 HoosierHoops
They also have *gasp* reasonably priced higher education out there >>
It pains me to even say it, but if the European model is socialism, that's something I'm becoming more and more interested in.
917 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:53:10pm |
re: #909 Conservative Moonbat
RAINOS - Real Americans In Name Only
919 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:53:43pm |
re: #904 windsagio
The man you wanna talk to is WUB, he can go on for hours about the NW music scene. I'm more just an appreciative fan-from-a-distance.
What years were oyu in Seattle if I may ask? (Was in HS when Grunge really hit, personally >>)
Well I was at Evergreen when Nirvana played in my friend's dorm room in 1988 and 1989. I personally witnessed Chris (aka Krist) Novoselic getting hit up for beer money there. I am not kidding!
920 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:53:46pm |
921 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:53:59pm |
re: #907 brookly red
What conservative mindset is that ? I am a registered Democrat form New York Liberal Fucking City...
The kind of 'nyc democrat' that claims gaybashing in the West Vilage is being done....by liberal dems who live in manhattan.
Yeah.
922 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:54:10pm |
re: #905 The Shadow Do
Somne hospitals have found a formula for
You clearly have the ability to set up the ultimate 'man room'.
Yes brother...I'm into high tech.. It's my life..
Kind regards
923 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:54:14pm |
re: #915 iceweasel
I'm so glad we have their help on the WoT. Where might we be without Blackwater?
Let us sing a song of love and victory for Xe Services LLC!
I think I'm going to cry.
/
924 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:54:42pm |
re: #919 bratwurst
OK that's freaking awesome!
That being said, 'lol Evergreen'.
(no offense to your alma mater, but... yeah I can't help myself. Its not the school you went to with success in mind :P)
925 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:54:50pm |
re: #921 iceweasel
The kind of 'nyc democrat' that claims gaybashing in the West Vilage is being done...by liberal dems who live in manhattan.
Yeah.
Gaze for life.com
926 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:55:01pm |
re: #909 Conservative Moonbat
MA still like their health care system 68-27
[Link: www.fivethirtyeight.com...]
Well of course they do, but we are not supposed to mention that.
The narrative and all...
927 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:55:05pm |
re: #921 iceweasel
The kind of 'nyc democrat' that claims gaybashing in the West Vilage is being done...by liberal dems who live in manhattan.
Yeah.
Really?
Wow.
928 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:55:24pm |
re: #839 The Shadow Do
Just so. That is how it goes.
(cough)bullshit(cough)
Some of those corps that have been around a while were forced to treat their employees well because their employees unionized. Even if that unionization has passed it's useful time, there would be some corps willing to grovel at the foot of their bean counters and go back to the good old days if it suddenly disappeared.
There have also been companies that treated their workers well that went under. Determining success and failure is more complicated than simply how happy the employees are.
The unemployment rate has more to do with who works for a company than how they get treated, and the success of a company is more determined by how many are willing to purchase their goods or services based on price than based on happy employees.
929 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:55:31pm |
re: #925 brookly red
To quote somebody or other, 'who pissed in your cheerios all of a sudden'?
930 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:56:06pm |
re: #924 windsagio
OK that's freaking awesome!
That being said, 'lol Evergreen'.
(no offense to your alma mater, but... yeah I can't help myself. Its not the school you went to with success in mind :P)
NOW you tell me!
931 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:56:12pm |
Corporations are all evil.
We need bigger government - they will solve all of our problems.
Sorry folks - that has been tried. It failed.
Next?
932 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:56:14pm |
re: #921 iceweasel
The kind of 'nyc democrat' that claims gaybashing in the West Vilage is being done...by liberal dems who live in manhattan.
Yeah.
Are you saying it's unimaginable? Some of the most homophobic people I know are liberals.
933 | darthstar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:56:22pm |
Hey everyone...I'm pleasantly exhausted after a day of ski patrolling. Gorgeous day...but warm. Oh how I hate the first day of spring in the Sierras. Why can't winter last until May?
934 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:56:39pm |
re: #918 SpaceJesus
*tears now worthless bracket into pieces*
So many brackets went KABOOM today.
My 10 year old nephew to my sister to pick NO Iowa over Kansas and she was all "what! are you NUTS!".
936 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:56:58pm |
re: #929 windsagio
To quote somebody or other, 'who pissed in your cheerios all of a sudden'?
oh as soon as your queen shows up you get jiggy? LOL
937 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:57:11pm |
re: #931 Racer X
dude if yer gonna take that logic, you have to admit that the last 3 decades haven't been exactly kind to the concept of giving business free reign either >>
938 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:57:42pm |
939 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:57:43pm |
re: #933 darthstar
Hey everyone...I'm pleasantly exhausted after a day of ski patrolling. Gorgeous day...but warm. Oh how I hate the first day of spring in the Sierras. Why can't winter last until May?
Global Warming™
940 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:58:00pm |
941 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:58:04pm |
942 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:58:14pm |
943 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:58:14pm |
re: #931 Racer X
I could have got that from a bumper sticker.
944 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:58:29pm |
re: #897 bratwurst
If you can remember the 20th century, you weren't really there! ;)
That was the 60s. Paul Katner, IIRC.
945 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:58:47pm |
re: #927 Gus 802
Really?
Wow.
Sure did. That was an epic moment. When I objected to that ridiculous statement, brookly red informed me he 'didn't like outside agitators'.
That's when I came out of the closet as a native new yorker who lives in manhattan.
Brookly red has loathed me ever since. lol.
946 | blueraven Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:59:02pm |
re: #908 CapeCoddah
It is about the right of corporations to support candidates who will keep the tax rates in check somewhat. Nice dodge yourself. Donks biggest problem is never looking past the first layer of any issue, they are like crows spotting something shiny... something that turns out to have nasty consequences after one picks it up. But, all you see is the shiny. It is unfortunate, but one cannot fix stupid.
Sure, ok...so it is all about taxes. Nothing in there about setting minimum wage, or perhaps zoning laws. Maybe taking someones land to build another much needed walmart and on and on. No its all about keeping taxes low. I agree on one point. You cant fix stupid.
947 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:59:04pm |
re: #937 windsagio
dude if yer gonna take that logic, you have to admit that the last 3 decades haven't been exactly kind to the concept of giving business free reign either >>
Exactly!
Like I said earlier - life is about balance. The government fucked up. They let shit get out of balance. Greedy corporations took advantage of that. It is the government's job to keep things in check - not to take them over entirely.
Right?
948 | darthstar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 5:59:53pm |
Ah...I see the Tea Party has gone mellow in their message.
////////...to infinity.
949 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:00:08pm |
re: #947 Racer X
Your premise that its all the government's fault is kinda iffy, but I totally agree with the idea that the ideal state is a balance.
The US has always been substantially on the freemarket part of the scale tho >>
950 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:00:30pm |
re: #945 iceweasel
Sure did. That was an epic moment. When I objected to that ridiculous statement, brookly red informed me he 'didn't like outside agitators'.
That's when I came out of the closet as a native new yorker who lives in manhattan.
Brookly red has loathed me ever since. lol.
Gaze...
951 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:00:55pm |
re: #943 wozzablog
I could have got that from a bumper sticker.
Pretend I'm slow. OK don't pretend. What?
952 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:01:01pm |
re: #825 CapeCoddah
Try not to inject your bias in between the lines, there really isn't room. The recession has been cruel to most.
Most complex systems only work stably within the narrow bounds of specific conditions, which is why they need to be continually tweaked. The survival of the status quo is a figment.
953 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:01:10pm |
re: #902 wozzablog
Hmmm.
You see, now, right - uh-huh... if companys are not being allowed to fail because of their own failures at the moment due to the catastrophic effect they would have on employment, etc - why would they be allowed to fail if taxes set by the government that is saving companys all over the place allow them to fail then?
Also - the only companies that would be put out of business by increases in taxes are already operating paper thin margins - and if it was not a tax bill it would be an unpaid invoice or late orders.
If a company can be put out of business by a late invoice - should it not fail under market conditions?.Taxes are just another invoice - it's the invoice that keeps the streets paved so they can move goods, the schools funded so the employees walking in are not dunces, funds the firedepartment if their business caught alight...
Again, dont bother to look past the first layer.
Schools funded, huh, ok.
What would you say to a school administrator, who works 9 months a year (with an extra 30 days paid vacation thrown in for a total of 7 months a year on the job), being paid say $159K a year, and demanding $10, 300 for a small town to "Buy Back" 15 personal days? Think that's a good deal, or would you call that piggishness on the part of the union/administrator? That's roughly $686 per day. THAT is where the money goes.
Do you think that is fair?
954 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:01:25pm |
re: #916 windsagio
They also have *gasp* reasonably priced higher education out there >>
It pains me to even say it, but if the European model is socialism, that's something I'm becoming more and more interested in.
You know they have great ideas.. Everybody pays for HC in the Netherlands..
It doesn't matter if you work at McDonalds or a CEO you all pay 125 Euros a month for HC.. So you don't have a job? It comes out of your unemployment check..125 Euro's period..Everybody pays the price...For an extra 25 euros a month you can get the Gold plan...Everybody pays..period..
They say that won't work in America.. The Lifespan of a Dutch person is 81+ years...Longer than any American or European..
They are doing something right.. Let's study the system and take the best
955 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:01:26pm |
re: #950 brookly red
Isn't that (after the previous post) like gaze for infinity +1?
957 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:02:27pm |
Well this thread is quickly turning to shit.
BBL.
958 | SpaceJesus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:02:38pm |
re: #934 webevintage
So many brackets went KABOOM today.
My 10 year old nephew to my sister to pick NO Iowa over Kansas and she was all "what! are you NUTS!".
i almost filled out a comedy option bracket while i was in vegas over st patty's. i really should have done that.
959 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:03:07pm |
re: #853 CapeCoddah
And when those corporations are taxed out of business... Where do those employees go, may I ask?
Taxed out of business? Is that any more a problem than being forced out of business by larger, more powerful competitors. It certainly is less likely.
960 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:03:34pm |
re: #955 windsagio
Isn't that (after the previous post) like gaze for infinity +1?
It's more like after you promise to ignore me you keep coming back, gazeish.
961 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:03:54pm |
re: #883 brookly red
Sorry, it was a little obtuse.
George W Bush was the Cmdr In Chief of the Corporate Welfare State.
Endless giveaways.
Thats to whom the companies that go out of business should turn, it was upon your answer in the post you replied to me replying to.
And no - it was not the best i could do. It was pith.
962 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:03:56pm |
re: #960 brookly red
don't woryr I'll never ignore you! (hugs)
964 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:04:52pm |
965 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:05:24pm |
re: #963 Jimmah
[Link: i238.photobucket.com...]
Why it's Michelle Bachman! The reverent "queen" of Health Care Reform Denialists™.
/
966 | jvic Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:05:32pm |
re: #956 iceweasel
So you keep sayin...
and we know why.
She does have crazy eyes, doesn't she?
One shouldn't jump to conclusions. Not everybody with crazy eyes is crazy.
In this particular case, the evidence is conclusive.
967 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:05:43pm |
man, listening to all these old mix-a-lot songs, they really wouldn't fly these days.
"Page one says open, page 2 says fill, page 3 says cock, page 4 says KILL!"
968 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:05:45pm |
re: #929 windsagio
To quote somebody or other, 'who pissed in your cheerios all of a sudden'?
Was it not you "Weeping for the decline of our culture" a few nights ago? That is REALLY classy.
969 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:05:58pm |
re: #962 windsagio
don't woryr I'll never ignore you! (hugs)
You are nothing if not magnanimous, sir!
970 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:06:06pm |
re: #928 b_sharp
(cough)bullshit(cough)
Some of those corps that have been around a while were forced to treat their employees well because their employees unionized. Even if that unionization has passed it's useful time, there would be some corps willing to grovel at the foot of their bean counters and go back to the good old days if it suddenly disappeared.
There have also been companies that treated their workers well that went under. Determining success and failure is more complicated than simply how happy the employees are.
The unemployment rate has more to do with who works for a company than how they get treated, and the success of a company is more determined by how many are willing to purchase their goods or services based on price than based on happy employees.
I would never argue against the value of unions. Obviously they bring pressure to improve to the marketplace. Even just the threat of them helps (eg Coors).
Demonizing corporations is just dumb however. People will buy goods and services based on their value - what could be more obvious. But to get there those corporations will have to continue to capitalize my and others 401K's, provide health insurance, etc.
Bean counters vs employee development...same old, same old
971 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:06:35pm |
972 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:06:36pm |
Hey, I just noticed the DVR taped on of my favorite Dr. Who ep.
Blink.
I have a girl crush on Sally Sparrow...I kind of wish she had not moved on to being nominated for Oscar's and winning BAFTA's and just stayed on as his companion.
(after Donna of course)
973 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:06:43pm |
oh here come the tag team... what a fuckin joke. Yeah OK off with my head yada , yada, yada,...
what a fucking lame existence.
974 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:07:01pm |
Hey, guess what! I changed my mind! You know how people will argue and flame and jibe and swear and name-call, and then (once they get their licks in) say that no one's going to change their mind? Well, it's not true! I changed my mind! Somebody hit upon just the right combination of profanity & abuse, and I couldn't help myself. I changed my mind! How about that! Nobody say anything, I want to savor this moment....Aw, it's gone now...how about that...
/
975 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:07:02pm |
re: #966 jvic
She does have crazy eyes, doesn't she?
One shouldn't jump to conclusions. Not everybody with crazy eyes is crazy.
In this particular case, the evidence is conclusive.
Oh yeah. Hey, I left you some LGF links on Bachmann as well the other night. Hope it helps out with your friend. Also, loved your William James post there.
976 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:07:34pm |
re: #861 CapeCoddah
The hospitals are not getting paid, or are getting paid much less than they need to survive, because this debacle has BANKRUPTED US!! What don't you get? The problem is you don't WANT to get it.
I'm making some assumptions here, so I trust you will correct me if I cross a line or don't make sense, but...
Mass is being bankrupted by a 22 million dollar dept? Huh?
977 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:07:37pm |
re: #973 brookly red
all playing aside for a moment, you just came on too damn hard. Relax a bit, have some fun. We all know you have some good things to say, when you're not pisst.
978 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:07:46pm |
re: #952 b_sharp
Try not to inject your bias in between the lines, there really isn't room. The recession has been cruel to most.
Most complex systems only work stably within the narrow bounds of specific conditions, which is why they need to be continually tweaked. The survival of the status quo is a figment.
The recession is about 18-20 months old. This law is 4 years old. Nice try, It is an utter and complete failure, on every count.
980 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:08:30pm |
Also, I'm waiting until the revolution is complete, then the purges can start!!!
981 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:08:38pm |
Universal coverage? First, look at the disaster in Massachusetts
To much fanfare from both right and left in 2006, Massachusetts became the first state in the nation to require all residents to buy health insurance. A new state health insurance clearinghouse was created, with taxpayers subsidizing those who couldn’t afford to buy coverage. Then Gov. Mitt Romney, a Republican, promised that “every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance.” Yet just two years later, Romney’s much-heralded “solution” — touted by many as the model for a national program — has become an embarrassing flop.
Just a year after the universal coverage law passed, The New York Times reported, state insurers were already jacking up rates to twice the national average. According to Dr. Paul Hsieh, a physician and founding member of Freedom and Individual Rights in Medicine, 43 mandatory benefits — including those that many people did not want or need, such as invitro fertilization — raised the costs of coverage for Massachusetts residents by as much as 56 percent, depending upon an individual’s income status. So much for “affordable” health care.
Small businesses with more than 10 employees were required to provide health insurance or pay an extra fee to subsidize uninsured low-income residents, yet the overall costs of the program increased more than $400 million — 85 percent higher than original projections. To make up the difference, payments to health care providers were slashed, so many doctors and dentists in Massachusetts began refusing to take on new patients. In the state with the highest physician/patient ratio in the nation, some people now have to wait more than a year for a simple physical exam.
The irony is that Massachusetts officials reluctantly admitted that, despite increased enrollment, the state is still far from universal coverage — the original goal of the landmark law. To make matters worse, Massachusetts is grappling with a multibillion-dollar deficit while Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick desperately tries to slow down those still-spiraling health care costs, which he said last week were “not sustainable.”
If this sounds just like Canadian-style socialized medicine, that’s because it is. Massachusetts residents now pay more for less access to health care, yet their state still has an uninsured problem!
982 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:08:42pm |
re: #953 CapeCoddah
Deflection - if i hadn't mentioned education you would have complained about potholes.
Sales taxes paid by regular people - regular people, the ones earning under $60,000, also pay those bloated salaries.
983 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:08:52pm |
re: #977 windsagio
all playing aside for a moment, you just came on too damn hard. Relax a bit, have some fun. We all know you have some good things to say, when you're not pisst.
awwww, too hard....
984 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:09:03pm |
985 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:09:38pm |
How much of the problem in the US economy is due to jobs being shopped out to China and India?
Are the low, low prices available from Wal-Mart, et al, exacerbating unemployment?
986 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:10:29pm |
re: #959 b_sharp
Taxed out of business? Is that any more a problem than being forced out of business by larger, more powerful competitors. It certainly is less likely.
At least the employees have somewhere to go... the bigger company.
987 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:10:35pm |
re: #983 brookly red
heh I'm obviously having a good time tonight. If you come in with a chip on the shoulder, and then lean forward to yell, you can't be surprised when the chip falls off.
(I expect some downdings for the hideously strained metaphor)
988 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:10:40pm |
And re: #980 windsagio
Also, I'm waiting until the revolution is complete, then the purges can start!!!
John Boehner has said America is so weak as a country that if the HC legislation passes it will destroy us.
What happened to American Exceptionalism?
989 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:10:53pm |
re: #951 Racer X
I just thought we were above that level of discussion. I was wrong.
990 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:11:29pm |
re: #987 windsagio
heh I'm obviously having a good time tonight. If you come in with a chip on the shoulder, and then lean forward to yell, you can't be surprised when the chip falls off.
(I expect some downdings for the hideously strained metaphor)
I hope you brought enough chips for the whole class! Make mine salt & vinegar.
991 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:11:31pm |
re: #988 webevintage
Under the bus with the uninsured working man ;-)
992 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:11:33pm |
re: #989 wozzablog
lol wherever would you get that idea? >>
993 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:12:01pm |
re: #985 b_sharp
How much of the problem in the US economy is due to jobs being shopped out to China and India?
Are the low, low prices available from Wal-Mart, et al, exacerbating unemployment?
no, lots of manufacturing jobs are coming to the US (Toyota, Mercedes etc. ) just in non-union states...
995 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:12:21pm |
re: #990 bratwurst
I think they're wood chips :p
Also!
"All the way to Bremerton, where the fat is at. The girl's a Bremelo!"
man I love that man.
996 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:12:41pm |
re: #976 b_sharp
I'm making some assumptions here, so I trust you will correct me if I cross a line or don't make sense, but...
Mass is being bankrupted by a 22 million dollar dept? Huh?
That 22 mil hole is for less than 90 days... not to mention the other debt on top of it, and the next 9 months. LOOK>>>> a shiny thing!
997 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:12:42pm |
re: #985 b_sharp
How much of the problem in the US economy is due to jobs being shopped out to China and India?
Are the low, low prices available from Wal-Mart, et al, exacerbating unemployment?
It seems the 3 dollar an hour manufacturing jobs have dried up in the USA..
And no union is going to save that job from going to China...
998 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:13:01pm |
re: #881 iceweasel
Some awesome amounts of butthurt on this thread, I must say, but it's been pretty civil, for the most part.
[Video]
OK, tell me, what the heck is butthurt?
In English, please, I'm old and set in my ways, new fangled words scare me.
999 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:13:06pm |
re: #987 windsagio
heh I'm obviously having a good time tonight. If you come in with a chip on the shoulder, and then lean forward to yell, you can't be surprised when the chip falls off.
(I expect some downdings for the hideously strained metaphor)
I don't have a chip but you are starting to give me one :)
1000 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:13:07pm |
re: #963 Jimmah
My eyes! My eyes!
Why did I click on that?
*stupid*
(waves, anyway!)
1001 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:13:34pm |
re: #999 brookly red
You should trust my psychic powers :p
1002 | jvic Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:14:30pm |
re: #975 iceweasel
Oh yeah. Hey, I left you some LGF links on Bachmann as well the other night. Hope it helps out with your friend. Also, loved your William James post there.
Saw them and linked them, thanks Ice.
I might have been just a leetle undiplomatic about folks on your side of the issues, so excuse me for withholding the URL... ;-)
1003 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:14:31pm |
re: #899 windsagio
Its always fascinating how the conservative mindset is almost always couched with this hyperbolic cynicism about politicians.
But they love the equally trustworthy corporations.
1004 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:15:31pm |
re: #993 brookly red
no, lots of manufacturing jobs are coming to the US (Toyota, Mercedes etc. ) just in non-union states...
No duh. The UAW still can't wrap its head around the need for productivity.
1005 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:15:44pm |
re: #998 b_sharp
OK, tell me, what the heck is butthurt?
In English, please, I'm old and set in my ways, new fangled words scare me.
A silly word for a silly emotion.
Butthurt:
An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor."
As in: butthurt conservative:
A conservative that feels victimized when something doesn't go their way. Often comes with the feeling that anything that doesn't reflect their world view has some unfair bias against them.
1007 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:16:07pm |
re: #998 b_sharp
OK, tell me, what the heck is butthurt?
In English, please, I'm old and set in my ways, new fangled words scare me.
This is butthurt:
1008 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:16:08pm |
re: #998 b_sharp
OK, tell me, what the heck is butthurt?
Tune over to Fox News Channel late tomorrow night and all will become clear!
1009 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:16:18pm |
Oklahoma legislature bans sharia law
OKLAHOMA CITY (March 15, 2010) – State lawmakers have voted to allow Oklahoma voters to prevent judicial rulings in foreign countries from impacting local court decisions through approval of the "Save Our State" constitutional amendment./blockquote>
...
The proposed amendment would prohibit all Oklahoma courts from considering the legal precepts of other nations or cultures, even in cases of first impression.
1010 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:16:44pm |
re: #907 brookly red
What conservative mindset is that ? I am a registered Democrat form New York Liberal Fucking City...
So you vote middle of the road but talk right. OK.
1011 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:17:40pm |
re: #1002 jvic
Saw them and linked them, thanks Ice.
I might have been just a leetle undiplomatic about folks on your side of the issues, so excuse me for withholding the URL... ;-)
Oh hey, no problem. I updinged a post you made upthread in which you said you were opposed to HCR because it was cogent, thoughtful, and well-written. I like talking to folks who have different opinions than I who are like that!
1012 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:17:40pm |
re: #981 NJDhockeyfan
but yet it still has nearly a 75% popularity rating
1013 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:17:46pm |
re: #982 wozzablog
Deflection - if i hadn't mentioned education you would have complained about potholes.
Sales taxes paid by regular people - regular people, the ones earning under $60,000, also pay those bloated salaries.
The kids in the school I referred to there, are required to pay $250 a year to ride the school bus.
We are pretty good with potholes here, with the exception of Boston. No deflection at all.. fact. No shiny things.
1014 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:17:49pm |
re: #1004 Dark_Falcon
No duh. The UAW still can't wrap its head around the need for productivity.
and now that it is owned by the government I don't see much hope.
1015 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:18:26pm |
re: #1008 bratwurst
Tune over to Fox News Channel late tomorrow night and all will become clear!
haha-- brilliant. ;)
1016 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:18:47pm |
re: #972 webevintage
Amazing lady, love her episodes.
1017 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:18:50pm |
re: #998 b_sharp
A really hard wedgie. Pants legs up to your neck.
That kind of feeling.
1018 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:19:08pm |
re: #998 b_sharp
OK, tell me, what the heck is butthurt?
In English, please, I'm old and set in my ways, new fangled words scare me.
It's derived from the feeling of just having had ones ass kicked I believe.
1019 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:20:01pm |
1020 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:20:10pm |
re: #1018 Conservative Moonbat
It's derived from the feeling of just having had ones ass kicked I believe.
Yeah. Inappropriate feelings of rage, hostility, and shame over someone having spanked you in an argument.
1021 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:20:13pm |
re: #1010 b_sharp
So you vote middle of the road but talk right. OK.
actually I did vote pretty left, now I am ahem, butthurt... I guess I will have to do a Regan.
1022 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:20:24pm |
re: #1011 iceweasel
Hi Ice!
I figure if my monthly HC cost go down ..I'm for it
If they go up.. I'm against it
Except for maybe paying for Walters HC.. He is all into the free shit these days..
/
1023 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:20:43pm |
re: #916 windsagio
They also have *gasp* reasonably priced higher education out there >>
It pains me to even say it, but if the European model is socialism, that's something I'm becoming more and more interested in.
It's not so much socialism as it is pragmatism. Nobody wants to go way over to the left where Statism rules and going to the far right is just as bad.
1024 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:21:49pm |
re: #1005 iceweasel
Interesting - and antagonistic obviously. Which is dumber, the user or the usee?
Better use of language is universally respected. Or not.
1025 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:22:24pm |
1026 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:22:32pm |
re: #1022 HoosierHoops
Hi Ice!
I figure if my monthly HC cost go down ..I'm for it
If they go up.. I'm against it
Except for maybe paying for Walters HC.. He is all into the free shit these days..
/
Hey handsome! That dog of deserves spoiling! Hope you're well. (Have an email to send you actually-- check in a few)
1027 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:23:11pm |
1028 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:23:40pm |
Socialism!?! Tory leader David Cameron says tories to follow Obamas bank tax plan:
David Cameron has said the Conservatives would impose a tax on banks to repay the billions used to bail out financial institutions, claiming it is "fair and necessary".
The opposition leader has not disclosed details of the proposal, but said such a levy was vital to repay taxpayers and protect them from future collapses.
US President Barack Obama has already put forward plans for a similar scheme and Sweden has introduced a levy. However, City minister Lord Myners said the announcement was "ill thought-out" and could force bankers to leave Britain.
Mr Cameron admitted his announcement may not prove popular in the City, adding: "We had the biggest bank bail-out in the world. We can’t just carry on as if nothing happened.
“In America, President Obama has said he will get taxpayers back every cent they put in. Why should it be any different here?
“So I can announce today that a Conservative government will introduce a new bank levy to pay back taxpayers for the support they gave and to protect them in the future.
“No, it won’t be popular in every part of the City. But I believe it’s fair and it’s necessary.”
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
1029 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:24:04pm |
re: #1024 The Shadow Do
Interesting - and antagonistic obviously. Which is dumber, the user or the usee?
Better use of language is universally respected. Or not.
Hardly antagonistic. It's a silly word, intentionally so. But one of the interesting meta-features of the word 'butthurt' is that its mere use tends to cause the silly reactions it describes.
1030 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:24:04pm |
re: #1027 brookly red
For debtors of healthcare companies?.........
1031 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:24:16pm |
re: #1024 The Shadow Do
Interesting - and antagonistic obviously. Which is dumber, the user or the usee?
Better use of language is universally respected. Or not.
The sociopathic mind excels at trying to make the victim look like the abuser, and gets a real thrill out of it. I know, I grew up a victim of it. I can see and smell it a mile off.
1033 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:25:17pm |
re: #1028 Jimmah
"Call Me Dave" has been playing a blinder.
I can't stand the guy - or most of his policies - but he is a freaking left wing democrat by comparison to the heads of the GOP.
1035 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:25:34pm |
1036 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:25:38pm |
re: #1029 iceweasel
Hardly antagonistic. It's a silly word, intentionally so. But one of the interesting meta-features of the word 'butthurt' is that its mere use tends to cause the silly reactions it describes.
Clever insult. See, that is a better use of language! I approve.
1037 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:25:41pm |
Sarkozy's party braces for a wipeout:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
1038 | brookly red Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:25:54pm |
well that was fun, but well you know... LOL
1039 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:26:45pm |
re: #931 Racer X
Corporations are all evil.
We need bigger government - they will solve all of our problems.
Sorry folks - that has been tried. It failed.
Next?
Again with the all or nothing attitude.
How about a balance between the two? If the system as it is is failing, try something different. If the free market results in more pain than gain, then let the government supply an option. If the government is screwing up and studies show private companies can do better while holding services equally high, then let them.
1040 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:26:52pm |
re: #1029 iceweasel
There's the metameaning of it too, of course.
I remember people used to really flip over the term, lo 1 month ago :P
1042 | jvic Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:27:33pm |
re: #1011 iceweasel
Oh hey, no problem. I updinged a post you made upthread in which you said you were opposed to HCR because it was cogent, thoughtful, and well-written. I like talking to folks who have different opinions than I who are like that!
I haven't examined HCR in the depth that you have.
But my Romneycare premium just went up about 15%.
And I don't have confidence in Obama to implement something of this complexity. If he was a successful two-term governor whose state is riding out the recession well--or if we were in a V-shaped recovery with unemployment dropping near 7%--, my attitude might be different.
1043 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:27:33pm |
Exactly who is abusive?[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
1044 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:27:38pm |
1045 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:27:46pm |
re: #933 darthstar
Hey everyone...I'm pleasantly exhausted after a day of ski patrolling. Gorgeous day...but warm. Oh how I hate the first day of spring in the Sierras. Why can't winter last until May?
You want cold? I'll send you a bottle of Canadian prairie winter air.
1046 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:28:15pm |
1047 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:28:20pm |
re: #1026 iceweasel
Hey handsome! That dog of deserves spoiling! Hope you're well. (Have an email to send you actually-- check in a few)
I look forward to talking to you and jimmy after he gets in town and settled down.. You guys are not going to believe where I am going shortly..
Love you guys!
1048 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:28:31pm |
re: #1028 Jimmah
Socialism!?! Tory leader David Cameron says tories to follow Obamas bank tax plan:
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
My concern is that the banks will simply get their money back via higher interest rates and fees.
1049 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:28:31pm |
re: #936 brookly red
oh as soon as your queen shows up you get jiggy? LOL
Are you being a jerk for a reason?
1050 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:28:46pm |
1051 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:29:30pm |
re: #1048 Dark_Falcon
Thats what they exist for doing.
1052 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:29:48pm |
re: #948 darthstar
Ah...I see the Tea Party has gone mellow in their message.
///...to infinity.
And beyond?
1053 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:30:05pm |
1054 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:30:25pm |
1056 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:31:34pm |
1057 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:31:42pm |
re: #950 brookly red
Gaze...
You live in NY? OMG! The horrors!
Come to Canada. The prairies. No people. Lotsa trees, water, aminals. Real air.
1058 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:32:26pm |
re: #1031 CapeCoddah
The sociopathic mind excels at trying to make the victim look like the abuser, and gets a real thrill out of it. I know, I grew up a victim of it. I can see and smell it a mile off.
See, this would be an example of an antagonistic comment.
1059 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:33:05pm |
re: #1047 HoosierHoops
I look forward to talking to you and jimmy after he gets in town and settled down.. You guys are not going to believe where I am going shortly..
Love you guys!
Love you back Hoops! email sent, let me know.
1060 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:33:13pm |
re: #1042 jvic
I haven't examined HCR in the depth that you have.
But my Romneycare premium just went up about 15%.
And I don't have confidence in Obama to implement something of this complexity. If he was a successful two-term governor whose state is riding out the recession well--or if we were in a V-shaped recovery with unemployment dropping near 7%--, my attitude might be different.
It's pretty much the bill that came out of Baccus's finance (?) committee. Obama hasn't had a huge hand in it. The bill spent so long long in the subcommittee, btw, because Baccus was trying to make it bipartisan and get committee members Grassley and Snowe to support it. The final result is that the bill really is a lot more bipartisan than it's been given credit for.
1061 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:33:16pm |
re: #1048 Dark_Falcon
My concern is that the banks will simply get their money back via higher interest rates and fees.
You would prefer the markets to crash?
Consider that most of our collective suffering from the last crash was from the market decline, not bank losses.
1062 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:33:41pm |
re: #1057 b_sharp
Don't even need to go to Canada for that. Come to the west coast (outside LA), or as we like to call it, 'the livable part of the country'.
1064 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:34:35pm |
re: #1058 iceweasel
See, this would be an example of an antagonistic comment.
Just my opinion, Ma'am. I have see more antagonism out of you than anyone here combined.
"Then the classic it's not my fault" response.
You need help.
1065 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:34:41pm |
re: #1062 windsagio
Don't even need to go to Canada for that. Come to the west coast (outside LA), or as we like to call it, 'the livable part of the country'.
Canada is closer than California for me.
;)
1066 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:34:52pm |
re: #1042 jvic
I haven't examined HCR in the depth that you have.
But my Romneycare premium just went up about 15%.
That's nothing.
To keep the plan we had with my hubbys employer we would be paying 35% more.
We had to get one with a higher deductible instead with less coverage.
1067 | sandbox Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:35:17pm |
re: #1009 Conservative Moonbat
Re sharia law, I agree with the sentiment of preventing it in the US.
1068 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:35:39pm |
re: #1059 iceweasel
Love you back Hoops! email sent, let me know.
And where is my little cuddle bunny Windsagio?
1069 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:35:47pm |
re: #1056 Killgore Trout
Gashaw Tahir Fights Deforestation, Plants One Million Trees In Ethiopia
[Video]
I love that story. Planting a forest like that helps make the landscape look far better and it helps fight AGW at the same time.
1070 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:36:36pm |
re: #1061 Bagua
You would prefer the markets to crash?
Consider that most of our collective suffering from the last crash was from the market decline, not bank losses.
No, I just don't like more of my money being nibbled away. It greatly annoys me.
1071 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:36:36pm |
re: #1043 prairiefire
Exactly who is abusive?[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
"A lot of us have been saying for a long time that much of this, much of this is not about health care a all. And I think a lot of those people today demonstrated that this is not about health care... it is about trying to extend a basic fundamental right to people who are less powerful."
I'm still very allergic to language like that. This program may or may not bring about a highly desirable social good. But no way is it a right. Rights do not require the time and/or money of other citizens to be spent on one's behalf. Health care does.
1072 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:37:16pm |
re: #1067 sandbox
Re sharia law, I agree with the sentiment of preventing it in the US.
But does a state really need to pass a law to do that? The way the law is worded it would also ban Christian law and the boyscout honor code from being considered in courts, btw.
1073 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:37:59pm |
1075 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:38:14pm |
re: #953 CapeCoddah
Again, dont bother to look past the first layer.
Schools funded, huh, ok.
What would you say to a school administrator, who works 9 months a year (with an extra 30 days paid vacation thrown in for a total of 7 months a year on the job), being paid say $159K a year, and demanding $10, 300 for a small town to "Buy Back" 15 personal days? Think that's a good deal, or would you call that piggishness on the part of the union/administrator? That's roughly $686 per day. THAT is where the money goes.
Do you think that is fair?
It's OK for a corp CEO to bargain for 7 digit salaries but not for a member of a union to bargain for 6 digits? Why?
In the free market its all about how much you can get both parties to contract for.
1076 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:38:23pm |
re: #1070 Dark_Falcon
The banks will have payed backmore to the government than was lent to them.
How they find ways to pay that interest has been left up to them.
The bailouts though - were unfortunately required.
1078 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:39:19pm |
re: #1075 b_sharp
It's OK for a corp CEO to bargain for 7 digit salaries but not for a member of a union to bargain for 6 digits? Why?
In the free market its all about how much you can get both parties to contract for.
One comes out of taxpayers pockets, the other from profits. Big difference.
1080 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:39:31pm |
re: #1070 Dark_Falcon
No, I just don't like more of my money being nibbled away. It greatly annoys me.
I have to agree. While it is not a great deal of money, I am PISSED I now am faced with the choice of giving Citibank $60 a year or damaging my credit rating by closing out a 20 year old credit card.
1081 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:39:56pm |
1083 | sandbox Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:40:22pm |
re: #1072 Conservative Moonbat
Then maybe the law is unnecessary. BTW one of the criteria for establishing if someone is a radical islamist is if that person advocates sharia law among the host country's Muslim population.
1084 | Interesting Times Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:40:49pm |
re: #1071 The Sanity Inspector
Rights do not require the time and/or money of other citizens to be spent on one's behalf.
Are you in favor of scrapping jury trials and public defenders?
1085 | Digital Display Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:41:03pm |
re: #1059 iceweasel
Love you back Hoops! email sent, let me know.
It is my great pleasure to speak of you and Jimmah Sunday Morning..
Know this..During MTP I'll be composing a special prayer for you and Jimmah for the 10am prayer list...
I am very proud to be your friends here...
1087 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:41:47pm |
1088 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:42:02pm |
This is clever. The New York Times is giving some op-ed space to a wingnut on the eve of this historic health care reform vote. Doesn't he realize how stupid he looks...
1089 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:42:05pm |
re: #970 The Shadow Do
I would never argue against the value of unions. Obviously they bring pressure to improve to the marketplace. Even just the threat of them helps (eg Coors).
Demonizing corporations is just dumb however. People will buy goods and services based on their value - what could be more obvious. But to get there those corporations will have to continue to capitalize my and others 401K's, provide health insurance, etc.
Bean counters vs employee development...same old, same old
I'm not demonizing, I'm bringing up a counterpoint.
1090 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:42:30pm |
re: #1086 iceweasel
Getting better but layed out on the couch just a few feet away. We did new avatars today just for fun. Both from my furnace photography.
1091 | jvic Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:42:40pm |
re: #1064 CapeCoddah
Just my opinion, Ma'am. I have see more antagonism out of you than anyone here combined.
"Then the classic it's not my fault" response.
You need help.
Beyond a general goodwill toward the nation and the world, I agree with Ice on damn little. Yet she has been the essence of courtesy to me.
Just my experience.
1092 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:43:12pm |
re: #1078 CapeCoddah
Profits which are money paid to the company by consumers for goods and services.
Corporate money does not just appear from thin air.
Corporations who provide utillities and healthcare - goods that are not easily obtainable elsewhere are essentially paid by the public purse and are fleecing us in corporate compensation packages.
1094 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:44:21pm |
re: #973 brookly red
oh here come the tag team... what a fuckin joke. Yeah OK off with my head yada , yada, yada,...
what a fucking lame existence.
Poor baby.
Can't get a good argument up so you whine about the number of people who disagree with you.
I hear they have drugs for that.
1095 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:44:21pm |
re: #1090 Rightwingconspirator
We did new avatars today just for fun. Both from my furnace photography.
Sounds like hot stuff!
1098 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:44:47pm |
re: #1091 jvic
Beyond a general goodwill toward the nation and the world, I agree with Ice on damn little. Yet she has been the essence of courtesy to me.
Just my experience.
Well, that is just fine. I prefer not to look the other way when a chronically abusive person is about, whether I am a target or not.
1099 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:44:49pm |
re: #1057 b_sharp
You live in NY? OMG! The horrors!
Come to Canada. The prairies. No people. Lotsa trees, water, aminals. Real air.
The Canadian is not an American--at least, not entirely, not yet.
--Alistair Horne, 1961
1100 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:44:58pm |
1101 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:45:05pm |
The banks and corporations are enemies of the State!
1102 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:45:18pm |
re: #1087 windsagio
I'm here!
You never shoulda told me that you can't stand the anime >>
Well, we have a policy around here between my two step-critters and the rest of the family, we rotate watching each others"favorite" TV and movie stuff.
So... it was "Dollhouse" season one for them, LOST season six for my girlfriend and I... well, the "Dollhouse" season one boxed set is done... so now I have to watch "Death Note" next... at jizillion episodes, or what ever the count is up to now...
1103 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:45:37pm |
re: #978 CapeCoddah
The recession is about 18-20 months old. This law is 4 years old. Nice try, It is an utter and complete failure, on every count.
Has the system been failing the whole time?
1104 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:45:44pm |
re: #1098 CapeCoddah
Well, that is just fine. I prefer not to look the other way when a chronically abusive person is about, whether I am a target or not.
Ah, I get it. You're here to protect us.
1105 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:45:51pm |
re: #1102 Walter L. Newton
Well, we have a policy around here between my two step-critters and the rest of the family, we rotate watching each others"favorite" TV and movie stuff.
So... it was "Dollhouse" season one for them, LOST season six for my girlfriend and I... well, the "Dollhouse" season one boxed set is done... so now I have to watch "Death Note" next... at jizillion episodes, or what ever the count is up to now...
Death Note's not so bad.
1106 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:45:56pm |
re: #1101 Bagua
Only in the sense that they're enemies of the protelariat, and the protelariat is the state.
oh wait, I guess you're right.
/this isn't very clever, even as a 'joke'.
1107 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:45:57pm |
re: #1067 sandbox
Re sharia law, I agree with the sentiment of preventing it in the US.
You know how people on blogs rip on Texas, not without cause sometimes? Well, that's how we Texans rip on the Okeys.
I smell a rat with this Oklahoma law. The intended audience for this is the right wing and provincial member of the Okey public. There can't be many Oklahoma Muslims outside of its tiny college student communities. I lived there a few years and knew some Muslims pretty well at OSU back in the day. They even invited non-Muslims to visit their tiny mosque during Ramadan immediately following 9/11. The lamb chops, dates and yogurt were excellent. They aren't making any trouble. They certainly did not stick around in Oklahoma after graduation. This is less about Islam and more about country fried politician chest thumping, imho.
1108 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:46:18pm |
re: #1085 HoosierHoops
It is my great pleasure to speak of you and Jimmah Sunday Morning..
Know this..During MTP I'll be composing a special prayer for you and Jimmah for the 10am prayer list...
I am very proud to be your friends here...
The same, Hoops! I'll always remember how you've been consistently kind to me here, especially back when there were very few libs.
As atheist lizards, we'd still appreciate good thoughts from folks during Jimmah's flight tomorrow, given the raised terror alert in the UK.
You're a great guy, Hoops. So are most people here. We'll always be grateful to the community here and to Charles, since we met here.
May those who love us, love us;
and those who don't love us,
may God turn their hearts;
and if He doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles
so we'll know them by their limping
1109 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:46:25pm |
1110 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:46:39pm |
re: #1101 Bagua
The banks and corporations are enemies of the State!
I am beginning to get the idea that al of your posts may not be TOTALLY sincere. I hope this was not the case when we were both praising large buttocks earlier.
1111 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:46:43pm |
re: #1102 Walter L. Newton
lol, I feel for you.
I'm curious if you'll like that tho', since you seem to (no offense intended) like over the top writing and dialogue.
1112 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:47:07pm |
re: #1079 GForce
Obama = Train Wreck
Maybe. We'll see tomorrow. If Obama gets his bill passed, then it will be a signal victory. I still think the Dems will get clunked in November, but they'll have gotten a key part of their agenda passed.
/Not said as an argument for or against the bill. Simply stated as analysis.
1113 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:47:21pm |
re: #1111 windsagio
One of my dark secrets is that the way I keep from falling asleep at work is watching trash anime on grey market dvds at work >>
1114 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:47:25pm |
re: #1084 publicityStunted
Are you in favor of scrapping jury trials and public defenders?
There's that, you're right. I was thinking more of free speech, freedom of religion, etc.
1115 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:47:27pm |
re: #1083 sandbox
Then maybe the law is unnecessary. BTW one of the criteria for establishing if someone is a radical islamist is if that person advocates sharia law among the host country's Muslim population.
Well, this law wouldn't stop that anyway.
1116 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:48:01pm |
re: #981 NJDhockeyfan
Universal coverage? First, look at the disaster in Massachusetts
It doesn't sound anything like Canada's health care system.
1117 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:48:10pm |
re: #1111 windsagio
lol, I feel for you.
I'm curious if you'll like that tho', since you seem to (no offense intended) like over the top writing and dialogue.
He just watched all the Saw movies iirc.
1118 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:48:27pm |
re: #1064 CapeCoddah
Just my opinion, Ma'am. I have see more antagonism out of you than anyone here combined.
"Then the classic it's not my fault" response.
You need help.
Folks, this projection was brought to you by IMAX sytems.
1119 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:48:38pm |
re: #1092 wozzablog
Profits which are money paid to the company by consumers for goods and services.
Corporate money does not just appear from thin air.
Corporations who provide utillities and healthcare - goods that are not easily obtainable elsewhere are essentially paid by the public purse and are fleecing us in corporate compensation packages.
Well, then, just shut them down. What do we need them for anyway?
Corporations are in business to make a profit, no matter the product. They are under no obligation whatsoever to give away what they produce because we all need the product. Like it or not.
Donks fail to consider things like the cost of research, research equipment, the cost of trials, bringing new drugs to market, etc... We NEED that stuff, how DARE they make a profit after all they spent to bring them to us and improve our miserable lives!
1120 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:48:46pm |
re: #1111 windsagio
lol, I feel for you.
I'm curious if you'll like that tho', since you seem to (no offense intended) like over the top writing and dialogue.
I don't know? I don't even know what it is about, nor have I seen a single minute of it. I know nothing.
1121 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:49:18pm |
re: #1112 Dark_Falcon
I disagree as to how bad i believe the tonking will be - but the Dems will definitely not gain.
Already kicked around upthread with PT Barnum some adverts the Dems could use to stem loses.
1122 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:49:46pm |
1123 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:49:50pm |
re: #1098 CapeCoddah
Well, that is just fine. I prefer not to look the other way when a chronically abusive person is about, whether I am a target or not.
I've heard this objection before, but for the life of me I can't figure out how iceweasel is chronically abusive. Could you please elaborate on why you think she is? Because I do not see it.
1124 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:50:29pm |
re: #1071 The Sanity Inspector
I can see your point, T.S.I. And I understand your wording, "allergic." I've been around many people with conservative viewpoints my whole life. I think there is a lot that conservatives can add to the debate.
1125 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:50:34pm |
re: #1117 Stanley Sea
He just watched all the Saw movies iirc.
No... "Saw Saturday" just started last week... we are up to "Saw II" today... I have 4 of them here... will have to Netflix the other 2 when we get to "Saw V."
1126 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:50:58pm |
re: #1104 Stanley Sea
Ah, I get it. You're here to protect us.
Nope, but I will speak my mind, just like you will.
1127 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:51:05pm |
re: #1125 Walter L. Newton
No... "Saw Saturday" just started last week... we are up to "Saw II" today... I have 4 of them here... will have to Netflix the other 2 when we get to "Saw V."
See, I feel for you on that!
1128 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:51:11pm |
re: #936 brookly red
oh as soon as your queen shows up you get jiggy? LOL
What a sly asshole you are, aren't you?
/I'd say keep the discussion focused on the topics at hand and not attacking other members, but that's apparently shot to hell for some around here...
1129 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:51:55pm |
re: #1120 Walter L. Newton
That's why I"m curious, if you're willing keep us informed as you watch it.
I'd say its even odds you'll find it unbearable :p
1130 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:52:06pm |
re: #1110 bratwurst
I am beginning to get the idea that al of your posts may not be TOTALLY sincere. I hope this was not the case when we were both praising large buttocks earlier.
Trust the Bagua, let him be your friend.
(But know he shuns the / yet loves the pun!)
1131 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:52:29pm |
re: #1128 talon_262
its more that you only see the attacks when the other side does it.
1132 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:53:03pm |
re: #1091 jvic
Beyond a general goodwill toward the nation and the world, I agree with Ice on damn little. Yet she has been the essence of courtesy to me.
Just my experience.
Thanks for your honest and clearly non partisan input, jvic. Appreciated.
1133 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:53:03pm |
re: #1128 talon_262
specifically going back to the other day when Avanti was talking about what it was actually like in the good ol' days of LGF.
1134 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:53:03pm |
re: #1129 windsagio
That's why I"m curious, if you're willing keep us informed as you watch it.
I'd say its even odds you'll find it unbearable :p
I will... and if I don't like it... I'll probably insult someone with my opinion about it.
1135 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:53:20pm |
re: #1129 windsagio
That's why I"m curious, if you're willing keep us informed as you watch it.
I'd say its even odds you'll find it unbearable :p
It was alright until the last few episodes. Won't spoil it, though. I knew the outcome for sometime, it's just lame how it reached it.
;)
1136 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:53:44pm |
re: #1124 prairiefire
I can see your point, T.S.I. And I understand your wording, "allergic." I've been around many people with conservative viewpoints my whole life. I think there is a lot that conservatives can add to the debate.
I appreciate you saying that.
1137 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:53:44pm |
re: #1130 Bagua
I guess I knew deep down that some things are too serious to joke about!
1139 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:54:22pm |
re: #1095 bratwurst
I am such a pyro, totally caught up in the images of fire at work, at 1/8000th of a second. More like a silk dancer than what your eyes show. The new avatar was from a flame 6 feet tall.
1140 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:54:47pm |
re: #986 CapeCoddah
At least the employees have somewhere to go... the bigger company.
I'm sorry, I've never heard of a company going under because of taxes, but I have taken part in more than one company going under because of a multinational moving into the area. Some did get jobs with the new company, lost their pensions and had to take lower wages and benefits, but most did not end up with the newer company.
It can be argued that any loss of a business is good for similar competing businesses so employment shouldn't be upset too much, but in reality, both cases would screw employees royally.
1141 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:55:16pm |
re: #1119 CapeCoddah
Well, then, just shut them down. What do we need them for anyway?
Corporations are in business to make a profit, no matter the product. They are under no obligation whatsoever to give away what they produce because we all need the product. Like it or not.
Donks fail to consider things like the cost of research, research equipment, the cost of trials, bringing new drugs to market, etc... We NEED that stuff, how DARE they make a profit after all they spent to bring them to us and improve our miserable lives!
Not to mention that they spend almost twice their research budget on marketing just to convince us we need their products in the first place. And bribing doctors by flying them to seminars in the Cayman Islands, yeah, that' really justifies the fact that life preserving heart medications are $15 a pill (but only in the US, they can afford to charge less in other places).
Let's also talk about how little R&D goes into some drugs. For the past 50 years there have been two drugs available to treat ADHD, which has changed its name a few times. They just keep repackaging them in new extended release formulations and changing the name. The $5 generic stuff works just as well but is less convenient. It's the same with drugs for a lot of other ailments. They just keep repackaging the same old drugs with a new patent.
1142 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:55:23pm |
re: #1123 Dark_Falcon
I've heard this objection before, but for the life of me I can't figure out how iceweasel is chronically abusive. Could you please elaborate on why you think she is? Because I do not see it.
Just my opinion from watching the baiting on her part for a long while now, then watching her turn it on her victim every time. Some dont like my opinion, fine. I am not pursuing a popularity contest win, and I call a spade a spade, as I see it. Some agree with me, some do not. It is my opinion, and I am as entitled to it as the next person.
1143 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:55:55pm |
Bagua's Crystal Ball™
The markets will fall on Monday should 'Obamacare' pass. Crude Oil will close below $80 bbl.
1144 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:56:06pm |
re: #1123 Dark_Falcon
I've heard this objection before, but for the life of me I can't figure out how iceweasel is chronically abusive. Could you please elaborate on why you think she is? Because I do not see it.
I think it has to do with the fact that she's liberal and she's right a lot.
1145 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:56:14pm |
re: #1126 CapeCoddah
Nope, but I will speak my mind, just like you will.
I for one value your on-the-spot perspective of doings in the Bay State. It's nice to have such a geographically diverse forum where people can get the regional, real life, views of things.
1146 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:56:30pm |
re: #1139 Rightwingconspirator
I see a Griffin at the top.
1147 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:56:44pm |
re: #1127 Stanley Sea
See, I feel for you on that!
I have the first four "Saw" movies on DVD, have watched the first three a number of times, haven't opened four yet.
I actually found the first two clever. Even though the acting was mediocre and slightly gratuitous blood and guts, the core story and clever twists were not bad. Number three really got to the level of slasher stuff, over the top gore for no good reason. I suspect the rest of the series is that way.
I don't mind gore, it's just not really fun. Clever is fun. Well, I take that back, gore is fun if it's a movie like Peter Jackson's "Brain Dead."
1148 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:56:58pm |
re: #988 webevintage
And
John Boehner has said America is so weak as a country that if the HC legislation passes it will destroy us.
What happened to American Exceptionalism?
The US is the best and strongest country in the world except when health care changes. I think word 12 is where your exceptionalism went, but I could be wrong.
1149 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:57:46pm |
re: #1119 CapeCoddah
What has that got to do with how much they pay the executives of regional monopolies?
And i specifically referenced Healthcare Companies - not Drug Companies, i do not conflate them.
Healthcare Firms should have been spending billions on introducing electronic records - all that research and software development they are supposed to do under your model of capitalism was not done. They failed. And they continued to pay massive salaries to the CEOs.
1150 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:57:49pm |
re: #1144 Conservative Moonbat
I think it has to do with the fact that she's liberal and she's right a lot.
Ding ding ding!
And really pisses people off, enough that they start railing.
1151 | KingKenrod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:58:08pm |
re: #1143 Bagua
Bagua's Crystal Ball™
The markets will fall on Monday should 'Obamacare' pass. Crude Oil will close below $80 bbl.
I'm not so sure. The markets like certainty, and a bill passage will mean certainty. Companies can start planning. That means they will figure out a way to continue to make profit.
1152 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:58:30pm |
re: #1143 Bagua
Bagua's Crystal Ball™
The markets will fall on Monday should 'Obamacare' pass. Crude Oil will close below $80 bbl.
Brent crude is already below $80. The DJI futures are only at -30 points for Monday.
1153 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:58:51pm |
re: #1076 wozzablog
The banks will have payed backmore to the government than was lent to them.
How they find ways to pay that interest has been left up to them.
The bailouts though - were unfortunately required.
1. + for the future perfect tense.
2. The benevolent federal boot on your neck has one advantage of being able to make its own terms and turn a profit repeatedly in these situations. When Chrysler was bailed out in the 80s, we taxpayers got repaid in full, plus interest. I'm thinking the same goes for GM this time and the banks. I don't like statism, but the government, from whom all blessings flow, makes sure it gets paid before all other lenders, leans on management, and generally throws its weight around in its own interest.
re: #1088 Walter L. Newton
Ex-directors of the CBO are not wingnuts, necessarily, though I don't know whether to agree on his bean counting. The CBO has a good reputation and is remarkably nonpartisan.
1154 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 6:59:10pm |
re: #1123 Dark_Falcon
I've heard this objection before, but for the life of me I can't figure out how iceweasel is chronically abusive. Could you please elaborate on why you think she is? Because I do not see it.
Some people come in here and attack her repeatedly and then try to accuse her of being 'abusive' or some such nonsense. It's so old - you'd think they'd realise this was a failed strategy by now.
I said to ice-ski recently offline that if I were a conservative posting on LGF, I'd expect to see better than this sort of nonsense from my political compatriots - ie proper debate, not stupid personal attacks. I'd be demanding it in fact. Kudos to you my friend for your decency.
1156 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:00:02pm |
re: #1092 wozzablog
Profits which are money paid to the company by consumers for goods and services.
Corporate money does not just appear from thin air.
Corporations who provide utillities and healthcare - goods that are not easily obtainable elsewhere are essentially paid by the public purse and are fleecing us in corporate compensation packages.
Huh?
1157 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:00:10pm |
1158 | limewash Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:00:11pm |
re: #1102 Walter L. Newton
heh..deathnote...the japanese movie was good ^_^
1159 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:00:13pm |
re: #993 brookly red
no, lots of manufacturing jobs are coming to the US (Toyota, Mercedes etc. ) just in non-union states...
So the larger, higher tech jobs are coming in while the small consumer goods jobs are going out. A lot of the Asian companies have systems where unions aren't needed to give the workers fair wages and benefits, and frankly automotive unions have gone way too far and should be pushed back some.
1160 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:00:20pm |
re: #1123 Dark_Falcon
I've heard this objection before, but for the life of me I can't figure out how iceweasel is chronically abusive. Could you please elaborate on why you think she is? Because I do not see it.
It's a little meme pushed by certain now banned members, some of whom frantically emailed charles for months demanding that he ban their personal enemies, and lost their shit when he wouldn't.
Handy translator:
"abusive"=winning arguments
"bullying"=refusing to be bulled
etc.
Most of it has to do with misdirected rage at the perceived 'change' in focus on LGF, the addition of new liberal posters, and so on. As one of the first more outspoken and more combative libs to arrive last summer, ire tends to focus on me.
1161 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:00:32pm |
re: #1108 iceweasel
Happy Trails/Flight for Jimmah!
May your journey be swift & easy!
And your honey waiting at the end of the trip!
1163 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:01:05pm |
re: #1157 windsagio
I've seen it, but walter's a different generation and all that >
re: #1134 Walter L. Newton
pff you won't offend me, I already know that most of it is 'guilty pleasure trash' at best > I just like different perspectives.
I figured you'd seen it, just didn't want to spoil it for Walter.
;)
1164 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:01:05pm |
re: #1144 Conservative Moonbat
I think it has to do with the fact that she's liberal and she's right a lot.
It does not have one single thing to do with her politics. Not one. There are a lot of liberals here, and I just picked her out of thin air? Nope.
1165 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:01:25pm |
re: #1161 Floral Giraffe
Happy Trails/Flight for Jimmah!
May your journey be swift & easy!
And your honey waiting at the end of the trip!
Is the wedding soon?
1166 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:02:26pm |
1167 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:02:44pm |
Louis Armstrong on the Ed Sullivan show:
1168 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:02:56pm |
re: #1146 prairiefire
Yeah, I get these shapes from the flame. D_L's is what we call the Laughting dragon. I have a dolphin too.
1169 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:03:24pm |
re: #996 CapeCoddah
That 22 mil hole is for less than 90 days... not to mention the other debt on top of it, and the next 9 months. LOOK>>> a shiny thing!
You know nothing about me, so don't go making the assumption I'm too stupid to look beyond the superficial. I asked because I don't know the history of the system and assumed you did.
1170 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:03:28pm |
One has an obligation to one's fellow human beings to keep one's self as healthy and as in-shape as possible.
Have I heard this thought expresses much at all in this one year plus shouting match on "health care reform?"
No, I have not.
This shouting match has been pandering on one side and selfishness on the other, and not much good for the real strength of the country.
Moron politicians, from the top on down.
And the sleepy, lazy constituents, morons too.
1171 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:03:31pm |
re: #1157 windsagio
I've seen it, but walter's a different generation and all that >
re: #1134 Walter L. Newton
pff you won't offend me, I already know that most of it is 'guilty pleasure trash' at best > I just like different perspectives.
Different generation... get off that... we both understand, enjoy and appreciate "guilty pleasure trash" the same way. Just the other night I was watching a Kate Smith movie with Donald O'Connor... what a gas...
1172 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:03:32pm |
1173 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:04:13pm |
re: #1161 Floral Giraffe
Happy Trails/Flight for Jimmah!
May your journey be swift & easy!
And your honey waiting at the end of the trip!
Thanks so much FG. I was just thinking, when I first got here, some days it was almost impossible to post, but I always knew that I could count on a kind word from people like you, Hoops, and DF.
Really, it made all the difference and kept me going. Thank you!
Hope you're well today and wish you joy always.
1174 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:04:18pm |
re: #1166 Varek Raith
Too much green beer???
Doctor! I believe we attached the enema tube into the wrong orifice.
/
1175 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:04:27pm |
re: #1142 CapeCoddah
Just my opinion from watching the baiting on her part for a long while now, then watching her turn it on her victim every time. Some dont like my opinion, fine. I am not pursuing a popularity contest win, and I call a spade a spade, as I see it. Some agree with me, some do not. It is my opinion, and I am as entitled to it as the next person.
I have seldom seen her bait. I have seen her hammer poor arguments or incorrect data hard, but that is not baiting in my book. I would ask you for a specific example.
1176 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:04:43pm |
re: #1156 The Shadow Do
See first line of the statement.
1177 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:04:44pm |
re: #1173 iceweasel
Thanks so much FG. I was just thinking, when I first got here, some days it was almost impossible to post, but I always knew that I could count on a kind word from people like you, Hoops, and DF.
Really, it made all the difference and kept me going. Thank you!Hope you're well today and wish you joy always.
And you know what you can always count on me for... :)
1178 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:04:49pm |
re: #1154 Jimmah
Some people come in here and attack her repeatedly and then try to accuse her of being 'abusive' or some such nonsense. It's so old - you'd think they'd realise this was a failed strategy by now.
I said to ice-ski recently offline that if I were a conservative posting on LGF, I'd expect to see better than this sort of nonsense from my political compatriots - ie proper debate, not stupid personal attacks. I'd be demanding it in fact. Kudos to you my friend for your decency.
One must wonder why more than one person would make that accusation. You can only brush that off so many times. Not everyone is blind.Lots of people do not want to see truths like that. I know, I lived it. I have disagreements politically with lots of folks here. No one else here has ever made me voice an opinion of that nature. And, I am not alone, as you point out.
1180 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:05:14pm |
re: #1161 Floral Giraffe
Happy Trails/Flight for Jimmah!
May your journey be swift & easy!
And your honey waiting at the end of the trip!
Thanks FG :)
1181 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:05:18pm |
re: #1169 b_sharp
You know nothing about me, so don't go making the assumption I'm too stupid to look beyond the superficial. I asked because I don't know the history of the system and assumed you did.
Then you have my apology.
1183 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:06:00pm |
re: #1168 Rightwingconspirator
Yeah, I get these shapes from the flame. D_L's is what we call the Laughting dragon. I have a dolphin too.
That is so cool. I can see an eagle too.
1184 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:06:09pm |
re: #1170 Ojoe
One has an obligation to one's fellow human beings to keep one's self as healthy and as in-shape as possible.
what the fuck country are you living in? Sparta?
1185 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:06:12pm |
re: #1173 iceweasel
My crystal ball, sees shoe shopping in your future.
! LOL!
You're a treat & a treasure, as is Jimmah!
Be well, have fun & don't forget the cleats for Jimmah's shoes!
1186 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:06:27pm |
Richard Nixon signs the National Cancer Act of 1971
1187 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:06:46pm |
re: #1177 Walter L. Newton
And you know what you can always count on me for... :)
CRANKYPANTS!
Hoorah!
1188 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:07:09pm |
A good bar is filled with good people, good atmosphere, and endless opportunities for drunken debauchery. A sad bar is filled with about five or six people who sit at the bar looking as if their souls have been crushed long ago, their faces a mixture of apathy and despair, giving off a vibe of "too lazy for suicide". Here are those people's favorite places to hang out, also known as The Saddest Bars to Drink In:
1190 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:07:31pm |
1191 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:07:48pm |
1192 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:08:10pm |
re: #1152 Gus 802
Brent crude is already below $80. The DJI futures are only at -30 points for Monday.
Did you agree or disagree with the prediction?
1193 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:08:28pm |
re: #1170 Ojoe
Would this obligation that one owes to society encompass the use of trans fats and salts?Also, Michelle Obama's fight against child hood obesity:[Link: www.3stepads.com...]
1194 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:09:02pm |
re: #1018 Conservative Moonbat
It's derived from the feeling of just having had ones ass kicked I believe.
Hoof in ass disease?
1195 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:09:28pm |
re: #1178 CapeCoddah
One must wonder why more than one person would make that accusation. You can only brush that off so many times. Not everyone is blind.Lots of people do not want to see truths like that. I know, I lived it. I have disagreements politically with lots of folks here. No one else here has ever made me voice an opinion of that nature. And, I am not alone, as you point out.
Oh let me see what could possibly be the reason more than one person would try to pull this garbage? Um....because there's more than one butthurt wingnut who doesn't have the necessaries for proper debate and finds it easier to resort to this hopeless crap?
Seriously - of all the dumb arguments. You might as well say that since Charles has more than one detractor - nay several - they must have a point. You are now at the very bottom of the barrel of stupid. Well done.
1196 | Ojoe Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:09:34pm |
re: #1184 The Shadow Do
No, the USA. I see plenty of bovine overweight people and you know their health problems are totally preventable.
1197 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:09:35pm |
re: #1171 Walter L. Newton
I just like calling you old :D
1198 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:10:02pm |
re: #1021 brookly red
actually I did vote pretty left, now I am ahem, butthurt... I guess I will have to do a Regan.
Voting on the issues rather than the ideology makes sense IMHO.
1199 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:11:16pm |
My husband just read about Rep. Cleaver being spat upon. Mr. Independent shook his head and said the Tea Party is going to bite the Republicans in the ass.
1200 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:11:18pm |
1201 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:11:20pm |
re: #1195 Jimmah
Well you know that old canard about smoke and fire :P
1202 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:12:13pm |
re: #1160 iceweasel
Zactly! Cape has this one all wrong.
1203 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:12:21pm |
re: #1192 Bagua
Did you agree or disagree with the prediction?
No. I agree with KingKenrod. The market likes certainty. If anything if it passes we might see a rally with health care stocks. But certainty is the key here. Won't have any effect on oil prices in either case.
1204 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:12:28pm |
re: #1196 Ojoe
Prevention is the best kind of medicine - the UK is going that way, slowly, but surely.
The system of family doctors and medical practice dieticians in the UK is quite good at catching conditions early - and helping people lose weight when they get into the system.
1205 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:12:39pm |
re: #1165 webevintage
Is the wedding soon?
Already happened! The wedding was just before Christmas, in Central Park. We made a video to commemorate the event (this caused a lot of butthurt btw) :
1206 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:13:32pm |
What's worse than being a communist?
A HomoCommunist!
Rep. Frank wants GOP to distance itself from Tea Party protests after gay slurs
Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), called a "Homo Communist" on Saturday by protesters opposed to President Barack Obama's health plan, says his GOP colleagues need to do more to "differentiate themselves" from the hateful speech spewed in the healthcare debate's final hours.
Frank, an openly gay lawmaker, had to call the Captiol Police “to move away” five or six protesters who were banging on his office door and shouting through the mail slot.
While making the trek across the street from his office to the Capitol, Frank was called a “Homo Communist” and told to “go homo to Massachusetts” by several protesters, according to witnesses and confirmed by Frank.
1207 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:14:07pm |
1211 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:16:46pm |
re: #1203 Gus 802
No. I agree with KingKenrod. The market likes certainty. If anything if it passes we might see a rally with health care stocks. But certainty is the key here. Won't have any effect on oil prices in either case.
The Oil price has bee tightly correlated with the market indices recently.
1212 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:16:48pm |
Now this is a real bar. Dave's Stagecoach Inn[Link: www.yelp.com...]
1213 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:17:00pm |
re: #1209 CapeCoddah
I never said you bullied me, you could not do it, I would not allow it, or leave because of it. I will hand it right back every time. Actually, I find LGF better, now. There is an actual difference of opinion, and a debate to be had. It is no longer one sided. I am certainly not in a "Rage", and I was not here much when you first got here. Your opinion of yourself is hugely overinflated, which is one of the BIG red flags, whether you realize it or not. I am one of those who is not fooled by you, and never will be. You are a toxic personality who enjoys hurting other people.You are a quintessential school bully, and I will make no apologies for my opinion.
Huh? You just said:
I never said you bullied me...
And then finished with:
You are a quintessential school bully...
1214 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:17:03pm |
1215 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:17:34pm |
re: #1064 CapeCoddah
Just my opinion, Ma'am. I have see more antagonism out of you than anyone here combined.
"Then the classic it's not my fault" response.
You need help.
That was uncalled for. Your attacks have been unnecessarily personal and vitriolic. You seem to see the devil where he doesn't exist.
1216 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:17:47pm |
re: #1206 Killgore Trout
What's worse than being a communist?
A HomoCommunist!
Rep. Frank wants GOP to distance itself from Tea Party protests after gay slurs
Awful awful awful.
1217 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:18:30pm |
re: #1211 Bagua
The Oil price has bee tightly correlated with the market indices recently.
Ah, OK. All I know is that higher oil prices is actually a good indicator. I know that might seem odd.
1218 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:19:05pm |
re: #1176 wozzablog
See first line of the statement.
"Profits which are money paid to the company by consumers for goods and services"
Money is paid to a company, profits are, well, not necessarily so. I can only wish that profits would be paid to a company. Hell, I would start a few just so someone could pay me profits.
Like I said, "huh?"
1219 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:19:18pm |
re: #1210 Rightwingconspirator
GAZE
Not a problem, But, I refuse to bow to bullies so that I dont get a bloody nose.
1220 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:19:30pm |
re: #1209 CapeCoddah
I do not concur. I've not seen ice go after a reasonable argument, or a factual statement. The problem, IMO, is that she does go after mistakes and then the people so targeted won't back off their mistake out of pride, anger, or partisanship. I have that problem myself, sometimes. But I try not to let it poison my relationships with others.
1221 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:19:54pm |
re: #1209 CapeCoddah
I never said you bullied me, you could not do it, I would not allow it, or leave because of it. I will hand it right back every time. Actually, I find LGF better, now. There is an actual difference of opinion, and a debate to be had. It is no longer one sided. I am certainly not in a "Rage", and I was not here much when you first got here. Your opinion of yourself is hugely overinflated, which is one of the BIG red flags, whether you realize it or not. I am one of those who is not fooled by you, and never will be. You are a toxic personality who enjoys hurting other people.You are a quintessential school bully, and I will make no apologies for my opinion.
I love it. Only on the internet do the smart kids get called bullies.
1222 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:20:14pm |
re: #1209 CapeCoddah
Your opinion of yourself is hugely overinflated, which is one of the BIG red flags, whether you realize it or not. I am one of those who is not fooled by you, and never will be. You are a toxic personality who enjoys hurting other people.You are a quintessential school bully, and I will make no apologies for my opinion.
This sort of statement would be one of the huge red flags of a wingnut suffering post-iceweasel-induced-stress-trauma.
Thanks for your input. May I remind you at this point that you don't know me, as b-sharp had to remind you above when you made unfounded judgements and assumptions about him?
I'm pretty certain I won't be getting an apology from you, although you were shamed into offering him one for far less.
1223 | Super-ego Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:20:15pm |
Settle down boys and girls. It's time to get serious now.
Alien Abduction Day is here!
1224 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:20:28pm |
A dancing Hugh Jackman is a hot Hugh Jackman.[Link: justjared.buzznet.com...]
1225 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:20:34pm |
re: #1183 Stanley Sea
Flames and clouds, the mind simply awaits the imaginative opportunities.
1226 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:20:53pm |
You have all been found guilty and sentenced to the Happy Hippy Drum Circle.
:P
1227 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:21:34pm |
re: #1226 Varek Raith
You have all been found guilty and sentenced to the Happy Hippy Drum Circle.
:P
I'll bring the Robert Bly poetry.
1228 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:21:42pm |
re: #1213 Gus 802
Huh? You just said:
I never said you bullied me...
And then finished with:
You are a quintessential school bully...
Yes, I said she has not bullied ME. That does not mean she is not a bully. Simple.
1229 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:22:22pm |
re: #1071 The Sanity Inspector
I'm still very allergic to language like that. This program may or may not bring about a highly desirable social good. But no way is it a right. Rights do not require the time and/or money of other citizens to be spent on one's behalf. Health care does.
It's part of the social contract we all sign by being social animals, it is in effect written in our DNA. The idea of a 'right' is archaic and needs to be re-defined.
I have yet to meet someone who can define it as it stands.
1230 | Cheechako Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:22:34pm |
re: #877 HoosierHoops
I got an HP 6930 laptop running the Hi Def big screen TV...I'm posting with a dual core dell d620 and I have a Lenovo T61 logged into the corporate network via VPN across the room..I'm a tech nut...System Admin
I hope this is a wireless set-up so you don't trip over all the cables!!111!!
1231 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:22:52pm |
re: #1209 CapeCoddah
A tirade of abuse - that's all that post is. Keep going - you are just exposing yourself as the hater you are.
1232 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:22:56pm |
re: #1215 b_sharp
That was uncalled for. Your attacks have been unnecessarily personal and vitriolic. You seem to see the devil where he doesn't exist.
Called for or not, it is my opinion. Period.
I happen to believe it is LONG overdue.
1233 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:23:15pm |
re: #1228 CapeCoddah
Yes, I said she has not bullied ME. That does not mean she is not a bully. Simple.
Y'know, if you were concerned with 'civility' and having interesting discussions, you'd probably be posting about something other than your deranged hate of other posters here.
Just a thought.
1234 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:23:26pm |
re: #1206 Killgore Trout
What's worse than being a communist?
A HomoCommunist!
Rep. Frank wants GOP to distance itself from Tea Party protests after gay slurs
The GOP should certainly denounce those attacks, but it likely will not for fear of those who condemn those attacks being called RINOs.
1235 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:23:28pm |
Laser Pointer Aimed Toward Space In 1997 Finally Annoying Planet 13 Light-Years Away
ZORAXION CITY, IMPERIAL HOMEWORLD—A laser pointer directed at the night sky by a young human in 1997 has finally reached the home planet of the Zoraxian race and is "annoying the hell out of everybody," sources on the alien planet reported Tuesday. "What is that irritating dot?" Zoraxian Emperor Fi'ar Shal Shoka communicated in a telepathic message delivered to the outer edges of the Throndastural Sands. "It's pointed right at my facial genitalia. This is so embarrassing." At press time, irritated Zoraxian military personnel were hard at work building a giant megalaser designed to incinerate the source planet of the irritation.
1237 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:23:29pm |
re: #1217 Gus 802
Ah, OK. All I know is that higher oil prices is actually a good indicator. I know that might seem odd.
Not odd at all, with the recent correlation, a higher oil price indicates the market is rising and the economy doing well. The idea being, the better the largest market is doing (US), the more oil will be consumed, thus the higher price.
1238 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:23:48pm |
re: #1226 Varek Raith
You have all been found guilty and sentenced to the Happy Hippy Drum Circle.
:P
Oh go pound happy hippy drum sand up your ass :)
The last time I went to a drum circle 8 drunk, pot bellied middle aged men started beating the shit out of each other with the drumsticks because one of them got into an argument about the benefits of green tea as a diuretic.
1239 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:23:54pm |
Ice I have a note from D_L for ya
((IW))!!
1240 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:24:14pm |
LGF is a big place. Some people just don't get along. It might be due to politics, or it might just be due to personalities.
Either way its not the end of the world. Deal with it.
1241 | Super-ego Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:24:51pm |
re: #1238 Walter L. Newton
Oh go pound happy hippy drum sand up your ass :)
The last time I went to a drum circle 8 drunk, pot bellied middle aged men started beating the shit out of each other with the drumsticks because one of them got into an argument about the benefits of green tea as a diuretic.
That visual makes me laugh.
1242 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:24:58pm |
re: #1238 Walter L. Newton
Oh go pound happy hippy drum sand up your ass :)
The last time I went to a drum circle 8 drunk, pot bellied middle aged men started beating the shit out of each other with the drumsticks because one of them got into an argument about the benefits of green tea as a diuretic.
XD
1243 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:25:45pm |
re: #1240 Racer X
LGF is a big place. Some people just don't get along. It might be due to politics, or it might just be due to personalities.
Either way its not the end of the world. Deal with it.
1244 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:25:55pm |
re: #1238 Walter L. Newton
Oh go pound happy hippy drum sand up your ass :)
The last time I went to a drum circle 8 drunk, pot bellied middle aged men started beating the shit out of each other with the drumsticks because one of them got into an argument about the benefits of green tea as a diuretic.
I've never seen a drum circle that involved drumsticks. I'm deducing you've never seen a drum circle.
1245 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:26:09pm |
bullies and haters and huggies....
is this third grade or fifth grade?
of course there are bullies and assholes...who's who tho?
1246 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:26:11pm |
re: #1220 Dark_Falcon
I do not concur. I've not seen ice go after a reasonable argument, or a factual statement. The problem, IMO, is that she does go after mistakes and then the people so targeted won't back off their mistake out of pride, anger, or partisanship. I have that problem myself, sometimes. But I try not to let it poison my relationships with others.
I have seen her debase those who agree with her to an extremely unacceptable level, then continue the antagonism. Sorry, DF, but that is a sign of a serious problem. She enjoys debasing others, and gets a kick from it. Some see it, some do not. Some, I suspect, are afraid to call it. I am not.
1247 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:26:28pm |
Some interesting info for any King Crimson fans -
Something nasty in your garden's waiting
Patiently, till it can have your heart
Try to go but it won't let you
Don't you know it's out to get you running
Keep on running
They're running after you babe
If you've ever wondered about the somewhat 'heavy' lyrics of the song "Land of Make Believe" by frivolous 80's pop nothings Buck's Fizz, here's the reason: they were written by none other than King Crimson lyricist Pete Sinfield:
1248 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:26:43pm |
re: #1246 CapeCoddah
I have seen her debase those who agree with her to an extremely unacceptable level, then continue the antagonism. Sorry, DF, but that is a sign of a serious problem. She enjoys debasing others, and gets a kick from it. Some see it, some do not. Some, I suspect, are afraid to call it. I am not.
Correction... those who DISAGREE with her
1249 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:26:58pm |
re: #1245 albusteve
bullies and haters and huggies...
is this third grade or fifth grade?
of course there are bullies and assholes...who's who tho?
Oh shit. Albusteve is here.
/
1250 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:27:00pm |
re: #1244 Conservative Moonbat
I've never seen a drum circle that involved drumsticks. I'm deducing you've never seen a drum circle.
Then what the fuck do you beat the drum with? Your peni... :)
1251 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:27:34pm |
re: #1245 albusteve
How's the grandkid??
1252 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:27:49pm |
re: #1234 Dark_Falcon
That's just what Rahm says.[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
1253 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:28:05pm |
re: #1240 Racer X
LGF is a big place. Some people just don't get along. It might be due to politics, or it might just be due to personalities.
Either way its not the end of the world. Deal with it.
Quite Concur.
1256 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:28:54pm |
re: #1245 albusteve
bullies and haters and huggies...
is this third grade or fifth grade?
of course there are bullies and assholes...who's who tho?
Steve, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Steve. And all the assholes want us to shit all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes, Steve. And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!
1257 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:29:19pm |
re: #1232 CapeCoddah
wait, are we giving unvarnished opinions?
You'd better be careful what you ask for, that particular door is hard to close >
1258 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:29:26pm |
re: #1222 iceweasel
This sort of statement would be one of the huge red flags of a wingnut suffering post-iceweasel-induced-stress-trauma.
Thanks for your input. May I remind you at this point that you don't know me, as b-sharp had to remind you above when you made unfounded judgements and assumptions about him?
I'm pretty certain I won't be getting an apology from you, although you were shamed into offering him one for far less.
LOL, There is that ego again, "Post IW induced stress"! LOL, You are pretty full of yourself, huh?
Here is a tip, it is not all about you.
I offer sincere apologies when I am wrong.You are correct, you will not be getting one from me, ever.
1259 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:29:29pm |
Harry Truman signs up for his Medicare card.
1261 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:29:54pm |
How about we all get back to arguing about AGW and Israel and who's blowing dog whistles?
1262 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:30:01pm |
re: #1218 The Shadow Do
Profits are made by a company exceeding their outgoings with the incomings - throw in some net and gross and you have a balance sheet.
That balance sheet then gets broken down into where the money - in our case above the outgoings - has gone, what i am highlighting is the pay of the top executives in industries that are almost monopolistic and rely on the consumer for their incomings.
People need healthcare and power.
The consumer often has no choice in where those dollars go companywise and no say in how that money is spent - very very large pay deals for executives who keep their companys behind the curve of information technology and development are not justified.
I cite that as a reason the market is (in these cases) no better than anything the government can come up with as the Government is charged with doing exactly the same - but in healthcare for less money overall.
1263 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:30:05pm |
re: #1252 prairiefire
That's just what Rahm says.[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
I'm actually agreeing with Rahm Emanuel. I think the world must be coming to an end.
[runs around screaming]
1264 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:30:24pm |
re: #1251 Stanley Sea
How's the grandkid??
he cries because he wants his grandpa...but they played Sticky Fingers for him and he settled down with a smile on his face...my boy
1265 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:30:26pm |
re: #1261 keloyd
How about we all get back to arguing about AGW and Israel and who's blowing dog whistles?
That would be torture.
1266 | Bryntröll Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:30:30pm |
1268 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:31:10pm |
re: #1256 Walter L. Newton
Steve, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Steve. And all the assholes want us to shit all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes, Steve. And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!
Great Team America: World Police reference.
1269 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:31:16pm |
re: #1264 albusteve
he cries because he wants his grandpa...but they played Sticky Fingers for him and he settled down with a smile on his face...my boy
Oh that is good.
1270 | Bryntröll Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:31:39pm |
re: #1267 Rightwingconspirator
A volcanic eruption in Iceland that just started
1271 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:31:48pm |
re: #1229 b_sharp
It's part of the social contract we all sign by being social animals, it is in effect written in our DNA. The idea of a 'right' is archaic and needs to be re-defined.
[...]
Would you mind expanding on that thought?
1272 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:31:49pm |
re: #1233 iceweasel
Y'know, if you were concerned with 'civility' and having interesting discussions, you'd probably be posting about something other than your deranged hate of other posters here.
Just a thought.
Please show me where I said I hated you. I simply said I see right thru you, and I know what you are. I am less than impressed. I also know how folks with your personality handles opinions like that. You detest anyone who sees the truth.
1273 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:31:54pm |
re: #1256 Walter L. Newton
Steve, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Steve. And all the assholes want us to shit all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes, Steve. And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!
give me a minute here...I'm working on this
1274 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:32:00pm |
re: #1258 CapeCoddah
LOL, There is that ego again, "Post IW induced stress"! LOL, You are pretty full of yourself, huh?
Here is a tip, it is not all about you.
I offer sincere apologies when I am wrong.You are correct, you will not be getting one from me, ever.
The post-iceweasel-induced-stress-trauma was a joke. Sarcasm. A poke in the eye. It wasn't meant to be anything more than that. Will you give it a rest already and stop being so overly sensitive.
1275 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:32:02pm |
re: #1239 Rightwingconspirator
Ice I have a note from D_L for ya
((IW))!!
Thanks RWC, right back at her. And you!
I tend to think that jvic is right on this: people can disagree completely on political issues, but if they share a common good will towards people and society, they can get along. For the most part everyone here embodies that. That's why so many of us with wildly divergent opinions get along all the same.
. . . when the effects of female jealousy do not appear openly in their proper colours of rage and fury, we may suspect that mischievous passion to be at work privately, and attempting to undermine, what it doth not attack above-ground. Fielding, Tom Jones
There is a sort of jealousy which needs very little fire: it is hardly a passion, but a blight bred in the cloudy, damp despondency of uneasy egoism. Elliot, Middlemarch
1276 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:32:12pm |
re: #1250 Walter L. Newton
Then what the fuck do you beat the drum with? Your peni... :)
It's generally conga drums beat with the heel and flat of the hand.
Not that it's really my scene but they seem to be ubiquitous at larger lefty functions.
1277 | Walter L. Newton Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:33:22pm |
re: #1276 Conservative Moonbat
It's generally conga drums beat with the heel and flat of the hand.
Not that it's really my scene but they seem to be ubiquitous at larger lefty functions.
Well, this was a beginner drum circle... we had drumsticks and empty cream of wheat containers.
1278 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:33:26pm |
re: #1276 Conservative Moonbat
It's generally conga drums beat with the heel and flat of the hand.
Not that it's really my scene but they seem to be ubiquitous at larger lefty functions.
Oh, you already gave it away. I think I've seen you down at my local beach./
1279 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:33:40pm |
re: #1272 CapeCoddah
Please show me where I said I hated you.
Calling her the school yard bully is hardly a term of endearment..........
1280 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:33:48pm |
re: #1261 keloyd
How about we all get back to arguing about AGW and Israel and who's blowing dog whistles?
I keep telling you it was only an ice cream cone.
1281 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:34:12pm |
re: #1279 wozzablog
Calling her the school yard bully is hardly a term of endearment...
Wasn't sociopath thrown around at the beginning. Yep, I think it was.
1282 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:34:59pm |
re: #1281 Stanley Sea
Wasn't sociopath thrown around at the beginning. Yep, I think it was.
some people just have it all...the complete package
1283 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:35:07pm |
re: #1281 Stanley Sea
We could be dealing with one of those "hate the sinner, not the sin" type situations.
I'll keep listening and let you know..........
1284 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:35:18pm |
re: #1257 windsagio
wait, are we giving unvarnished opinions?
You'd better be careful what you ask for, that particular door is hard to close >
Shoot.. I can take it.
1285 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:36:00pm |
re: #1154 Jimmah
Some people come in here and attack her repeatedly and then try to accuse her of being 'abusive' or some such nonsense. It's so old - you'd think they'd realise this was a failed strategy by now.
I said to ice-ski recently offline that if I were a conservative posting on LGF, I'd expect to see better than this sort of nonsense from my political compatriots - ie proper debate, not stupid personal attacks. I'd be demanding it in fact. Kudos to you my friend for your decency.
And how did she answer?
1286 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:36:17pm |
re: #1234 Dark_Falcon
The GOP should certainly denounce those attacks, but it likely will not for fear of those who condemn those attacks being called RINOs.
The GOP wants to cultivate the "Radical Gay Agenda" thing anyways so they're more than happy to welcome these people to fight against gay rights and promote conspiracies about Obama teaching "fisting" to school children. They are also more than happy to welcome the racists too. An all white Christian party is what they're aiming for.
1287 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:36:53pm |
re: #1270 Bryntröll
Cool and ironic. Iceweasel spars and Iceland erupts. Heh.
1288 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:37:43pm |
re: #1258 CapeCoddah
LOL, There is that ego again, "Post IW induced stress"! LOL, You are pretty full of yourself, huh?
Here is a tip, it is not all about you.
I offer sincere apologies when I am wrong.You are correct, you will not be getting one from me, ever.
Actually, given how often stalkers focus on iceweasel, post IW induced stress seems quite real. I don't agree with her on much politically, but I've found her a civil debater. Again, if you think she is not, please cite a specific example to prove your contention. I give you my word that a pose citing an example will not be downdinged by me.
1289 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:37:52pm |
Increasing signs of activity at Eyjafjallajökull in Iceland
Anyone know how to pronounce that?
1290 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:38:05pm |
re: #1274 Gus 802
The post-iceweasel-induced-stress-trauma was a joke. Sarcasm. A poke in the eye. It wasn't meant to be anything more than that. Will you give it a rest already and stop being so overly sensitive.
Couched as a joke, but a running theme all too often.
1291 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:38:09pm |
re: #1286 Killgore Trout
The Republicans who have the worst fringe problem araound have always used the fringe against the opponents as in Dem = commie!
Just utterly craven hypocrisy.
1292 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:38:12pm |
re: #1258 CapeCoddah
LOL, There is that ego again, "Post IW induced stress"! LOL, You are pretty full of yourself, huh?
Here is a tip, it is not all about you.
I offer sincere apologies when I am wrong.You are correct, you will not be getting one from me, ever.
Is there anything going on inside your head other than your deranged hatred of iceweasel? Again, all you are doing by continuing this and repeating this garbage is demonstrating that you are obsessed with iceweasel and demented with hate for her. Even people who are on your side politically are cringing at this display you are putting on.
For pity's sake - Image: lolcatsdotcomttbwex6me2ieahcu.jpg
1294 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:39:11pm |
re: #1279 wozzablog
Calling her the school yard bully is hardly a term of endearment...
Nor was it meant to be, but, I never expressed hatred for IW. Do not put words in my mouth. I say exactly what I mean. No more, no less.
1295 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:39:36pm |
re: #1196 Ojoe
No, the USA. I see plenty of bovine overweight people and you know their health problems are totally preventable.
Folks are addicts Ojoe. Bovinity is but one expression. They can not be eliminated. At least not in good conscience.
1296 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:39:37pm |
1297 | Bryntröll Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:39:46pm |
1298 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:39:56pm |
re: #1281 Stanley Sea
Wasn't sociopath thrown around at the beginning. Yep, I think it was.
Yep. And objecting to the ongoing meltdown by our butthurt friend, in any way, or responding to it, even as politely as I so far have, is of course ..further proof that I have a massive ego.
I'm interested by the number of freaks who need to tell me over and over that I think too highly of myself, that I'm really not all that clever, and at the same time that my opinions don't matter a bit and they're not at all threatened by me. Talk about self-refuting.
Oh well. This is boring. I'll be ignoring the actual bully posting a continuous stream of abuse now.
1299 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:40:31pm |
re: #1281 Stanley Sea
Wasn't sociopath thrown around at the beginning. Yep, I think it was.
Yes, I said that.
1301 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:41:27pm |
re: #1288 Dark_Falcon
Actually, given how often stalkers focus on iceweasel, post IW induced stress seems quite real. I don't agree with her on much politically, but I've found her a civil debater. Again, if you think she is not, please cite a specific example to prove your contention. I give you my word that a pose citing an example will not be downdinged by me.
your word?...no downding?...dude you are in way too deep, you've been sucked into some nether blog world where relativity has been bent...you are confusing reality with the internet...jus sayin
1302 | Bagua Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:41:30pm |
re: #1289 jaunte
Increasing signs of activity at Eyjafjallajökull in Iceland
Anyone know how to pronounce that?
Sure, just say "Eyjafjallajökull".
1303 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:42:03pm |
1304 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:42:18pm |
1305 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:43:25pm |
re: #1289 jaunte
Increasing signs of activity at Eyjafjallajökull in Iceland
Anyone know how to pronounce that?
If it's ice-capped and it blows, there's going to be mudslides. I hope the folks downslope will be safe!
1306 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:43:35pm |
just thought I'd drop by on this crazy saturday and see if everyone's being nice to each other..?
1307 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:43:36pm |
re: #1288 Dark_Falcon
Actually, given how often stalkers focus on iceweasel, post IW induced stress seems quite real. I don't agree with her on much politically, but I've found her a civil debater. Again, if you think she is not, please cite a specific example to prove your contention. I give you my word that a pose citing an example will not be downdinged by me.
I am not a stalker. Go back and take a look at what she did to Sharmuta, for example. As for downdings, I could not care less about them. I have a real life. There are 60 registered users logged on. I am averaging 7 to 10 downdings. That is a LOT of folks keeping silent. I will take that.
1308 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:43:47pm |
1309 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:44:03pm |
Lawmaker won't press charges after being spat on by Capitol Hill protestor
A congressman who was spat on by a protestor on Capitol Hill says he is declining to press charges, but turns out the Capitol Police say they made no arrests.
Missouri Democrat Emanuel Cleaver was making his way through a group of angry protestors when the incident occurred. It was one of several ugly incidents in a day of protests against President Barack Obama's health care overhaul measure, which faces a House vote on Sunday.
Cleaver, who is black, was also one of several lawmakers who faced racial epithets as they walked to the Capitol to vote. Sgt. Kimberly Schneider of the U.S. Capitol Police said in an e-mail later: "We did not make any arrests today."
1311 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:44:17pm |
1312 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:44:24pm |
And this seems as good a time as any to announce the results of a major research project. Falcon's Wing Research is proud to conclude our study into Rabies transmission. Our study has researched wingnut claims as well as conducted first hand observations. Here are the study's findings:
1. The Iceweasel (Mustela Articus Liberalus) is not carrier of rabies.
2. The misperception by trolls that the species is a carrier is caused by the iceweasel's hunger for the Gamey Buttocks of trolls, as these are the iceweasel's favorite food. Trolls think that they have been infected with rabies after Iceweasel's logic bites them on the back side, but in reality they are simply suffering from severe butthurt.
1313 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:44:28pm |
re: #1294 CapeCoddah
Nor was it meant to be, but, I never expressed hatred for IW. Do not put words in my mouth. I say exactly what I mean. No more, no less.
Nice try, but all these posts of yours on this subject here tonight are seething with hatred. The fact that you didn't actually say "I hate iceweasel" means nothing.
1314 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:45:10pm |
re: #1292 Jimmah
Is there anything going on inside your head other than your deranged hatred of iceweasel? Again, all you are doing by continuing this and repeating this garbage is demonstrating that you are obsessed with iceweasel and demented with hate for her. Even people who are on your side politically are cringing at this display you are putting on.
For pity's sake - [Link: i238.photobucket.com...]
Trust me when I tell you that Ice occupies not even the smallest portion of my mind at any time.
1315 | Bryntröll Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:45:43pm |
1316 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:45:45pm |
re: #1304 Conservative Moonbat
man goes to the psyches office - doctor says how can i help you..... well....
the man sits down on the couch and tells tales of shadowy figures following him around..... days on end, never letting him rest, but that no one else sees them
end of the session and a brick comes through the window of the doctors office -
Doctor says, i have some good news and some bad news.
The good news is you are not paranoid - the bad news is you will have to leave through the bathroom window.
1317 | bratwurst Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:45:53pm |
re: #1200 Bagua
Here is one Glenn Beck (and a few Lizards) might not approve of as it deals with the dreaded "social justice":
1318 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:45:53pm |
re: #1301 albusteve
your word?...no downding?...dude you are in way too deep, you've been sucked into some nether blog world where relativity has been bent...you are confusing reality with the internet...jus sayin
True, thanks for pulling me back. i needed that.
1319 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:46:22pm |
the longer and more elaborate the defense, the higher the guilt...
excluding myself...
1320 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:46:22pm |
re: #1314 CapeCoddah
Trust me when I tell you that Ice occupies not even the smallest portion of my mind at any time.
I call BS on that one.
1321 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:46:39pm |
re: #1295 The Shadow Do
You think just like I do and you are a conservative. Wild.
1322 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:47:00pm |
re: #1284 CapeCoddah
Shoot.. I can take it.
I'm not really worried about your response :p
Once we really start flinging real insults, the reasonable people either get offended and involved, or just leave.
The hit and run angry conservative is like LGF's summer cold. You can never really get rid of it, but you have to try to keep it from ruining your day too much.
1323 | Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:47:01pm |
I've been in class all day and half the evening...and this is what I come back to? On a positive note, the teenager responsible for the Walmart "All black people should leave..." announcement has been arrested.
1324 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:47:15pm |
re: #1306 cliffster
just thought I'd drop by on this crazy saturday and see if everyone's being nice to each other..?
We're undergoing new post deprivation and turning on each other.
1325 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:47:17pm |
Haha, looks like not. And it's not even a heated discussion about HCR.
1326 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:47:27pm |
re: #1308 prairiefire
This big boy was walking around an apartment complex in Overland Park...
That's a big kitty.
1327 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:47:32pm |
1328 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:47:45pm |
re: #1317 bratwurst
Ahhhh, just what I needed. I usually only do Reggae on sunday mornings but I'll make an exception in this case.
1329 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:48:23pm |
re: #1313 Jimmah
Nice try, but all these posts of yours on this subject here tonight are seething with hatred. The fact that you didn't actually say "I hate iceweasel" means nothing.
Well, if you say so, Jimmah! You know me better than I do!
1330 | Mr. Crankypants Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:48:37pm |
re: #1326 Dark_Falcon
What if it wasn't a bobcat? What if it's name was really Steve?
1331 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:49:15pm |
re: #1207 iceweasel
We did! we did a whole series. Our first Jimmah ice production. comes in damn handy, I must say. John Cole at Balloon Juice featured the Beck one the day Obama won the Nobel.
Throbbing
Great voice.
There are two things that draw me to a woman, intellect, voice and eyes.
Sorry.
There are three things that draw me to a woman; intellect, voice, eyes and smile.
OK, something ain't workin'.
1332 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:49:23pm |
re: #1320 Dark_Falcon
I call BS on that one.
This shit is bananas. Loved your research report, btw.
There is nothing nobler or more admirable than when two people who see eye to eye keep house as man and wife, confounding their enemies and delighting their friends.
Homer (not Simpson, I don't think. :) )
1333 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:49:40pm |
that darn ice, why she gotta be such a meanie?
1334 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:49:49pm |
1335 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:50:05pm |
re: #1323 Escaped Hillbilly
I've been in class all day and half the evening...and this is what I come back to? On a positive note, the teenager responsible for the Walmart "All black people should leave..." announcement has been arrested.
Stupid kid needs to be taught a lesson. I favor making him walk the streets with a sandwich board reading "I made a stupid racist announcement, and caused others distress. I'm sorry for being a fool."
1336 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:50:11pm |
re: #1320 Dark_Falcon
I call BS on that one.
You may, but as I said, I have a life, DF, IW gets zero thought from me. I do not live for any blog.
1337 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:50:11pm |
re: #1313 Jimmah
Nice try, but all these posts of yours on this subject here tonight are seething with hatred. The fact that you didn't actually say "I hate iceweasel" means nothing.
not the one's I've read...seething hatred is way over the top, but hey!...everyone's a hater troll now!
1338 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:50:19pm |
MU playing tomorrow. K State are going to the Sweet 16. Will Mu win and go to the dance? Could be another Border War.
1339 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:50:33pm |
re: #1209 CapeCoddah
I never said you bullied me, you could not do it, I would not allow it, or leave because of it. I will hand it right back every time. Actually, I find LGF better, now. There is an actual difference of opinion, and a debate to be had. It is no longer one sided. I am certainly not in a "Rage", and I was not here much when you first got here. Your opinion of yourself is hugely overinflated, which is one of the BIG red flags, whether you realize it or not. I am one of those who is not fooled by you, and never will be. You are a toxic personality who enjoys hurting other people.You are a quintessential school bully, and I will make no apologies for my opinion.
Many more notches down and you'll become a non-entity.
1340 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:50:39pm |
re: #1315 Bryntröll
It's actually between two glaciers, they now think, at fimmvörðuháls.
[Link: ja.is...]
Looks like that coastal highway would be vulnerable to a flash flood of meltwater. I've seen nature documentaries of Icelandic towns getting socked with mudslides. Hope this one doesn't turn out like that.
1341 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:51:49pm |
re: #1296 wozzablog
I - on the other hand am often an ass.
:-(
Only three people agreeing?
I am shocked. Shocked i say.
1342 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:53:12pm |
re: #1336 CapeCoddah
Okay so zero thought about Ice and a bunch of posts about Ice. So, no thought per post. Got it.
1343 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:53:23pm |
re: #1314 CapeCoddah
Trust me when I tell you that Ice occupies not even the smallest portion of my mind at any time.
Then perhaps it's time for you to let it drop? Or is the image in the mirror that you fight so compelling?
1344 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:53:40pm |
re: #1262 wozzablog
First, I don't give a rip about the whole health care thing that is on the front burner right now. It is defective now, and will be defective come monday when it is law.
That said, your comment:
what i am highlighting is the pay of the top executives in industries that are almost monopolistic and rely on the consumer for their incomings.
is horse hockey. Are you jealous?
Why yes you are, aren't you?
1345 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:53:41pm |
1346 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:53:58pm |
re: #1336 CapeCoddah
You may, but as I said, I have a life, DF, IW gets zero thought from me. I do not live for any blog.
Not me. I had a dream last night LGF let me ding limitlessly. I downdinged albusteve over and over again. By the time I woke up, his karma matched our national debt. Booya!
1347 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:54:58pm |
re: #1342 Rightwingconspirator
Okay so zero thought about Ice and a bunch of posts about Ice. So, no thought per post. Got it.
Here and now, it seems to be the topic. Trust me, I will not be tossing and turning tonight or biting my nails over it tomorrow.
1348 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:55:40pm |
re: #1346 cliffster
Not me. I had a dream last night LGF let me ding limitlessly. I downdinged albusteve over and over again. By the time I woke up, his karma matched our national debt. Booya!
over here!...look! a real deranged hater!
1349 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:55:41pm |
re: #1341 wozzablog
Only three people agreeing?
I am shocked. Shocked i say.
"ass" is way too kind. Try again.
1350 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:56:10pm |
Computer animation of volcanic mudflow at a Filipino volcano in 2006
[Link: www.buffalo.edu...]
Story here.
1351 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:56:11pm |
re: #1343 wlewisiii
Then perhaps it's time for you to let it drop? Or is the image in the mirror that you fight so compelling?
Replying to the replies. That is what we do here.
1352 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:56:31pm |
1353 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:56:36pm |
re: #1347 CapeCoddah
Okay I'm done on the topic at hand. Anyone else?
1354 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:56:56pm |
re: #1348 albusteve
over here!...look! a real deranged hater!
I'll think about you when I'm pulling weeds tomorrow.
1355 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:57:25pm |
re: #1337 albusteve
not the one's I've read...seething hatred is way over the top, but hey!...everyone's a hater troll now!
Yeah that's right steve. Imagine thinking that calling someone - with zero justification - a sociopath and a toxic bully - and going on and on ad on about it - in any way denotes hate! How silly///
1356 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:57:26pm |
re: #1341 wozzablog
Only three people agreeing?
I am shocked. Shocked i say.
Only three, because you stuck in "often".
// ;) //
1357 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:57:28pm |
re: #1344 The Shadow Do
*yawn*
In this debate i have done nothing but try to stand up for people without healthcare or with limited coverage - calling out the CEOS of behind the curve companys responsible for said healthcare who are taking salaries of such magnitude as could be counted in hundreds of lives improved by a more modest recompense is not a selfish act.
But ofcourse - everyone in this world is ultimately selfish - that is the only goal in life, accruing personal wealth, therefore i am like everyone else - right?.
1358 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:57:42pm |
re: #1209 CapeCoddah
I never said you bullied me, you could not do it, I would not allow it, or leave because of it. I will hand it right back every time. Actually, I find LGF better, now. There is an actual difference of opinion, and a debate to be had. It is no longer one sided. I am certainly not in a "Rage", and I was not here much when you first got here. Your opinion of yourself is hugely overinflated, which is one of the BIG red flags, whether you realize it or not. I am one of those who is not fooled by you, and never will be. You are a toxic personality who enjoys hurting other people.You are a quintessential school bully, and I will make no apologies for my opinion.
Uhh, what?!?
1359 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:57:54pm |
re: #1349 cliffster
If i was a real kharma whore i would..........
1360 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:58:29pm |
re: #1359 wozzablog
I'm trying to get you to a 1:1 ratio, but its hard
1361 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:58:40pm |
re: #1356 The Sanity Inspector
True. True.
Always would have garnered more agreement - noob mistake, won't happen again.
1362 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:59:31pm |
1363 | suchislife Sat, Mar 20, 2010 7:59:42pm |
I would just like to note that this is a flame fight, or a policy/values discussion getting out of hand, or whatever, or a general mood, but instead one single commenter not critizing but attacking iceweasel again and again. I'm really sick of that. And I really don't like that this kind of behavior will just be ignored and forgotten afterwards, there won't be an apology, people will joke with Capecoddah, "no hard feelings, both sides suck, right? I just wish everybody would not fight so much!" This is just not ok. It's not somehow ok to attack Iceweasel just because she can defend herself.
1365 | Aye Pod Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:00:13pm |
re: #1307 CapeCoddah
I am not a stalker. Go back and take a look at what she did to Sharmuta, for example. As for downdings, I could not care less about them. I have a real life. There are 60 registered users logged on. I am averaging 7 to 10 downdings. That is a LOT of folks keeping silent. I will take that.
Rubbish. Sharmuta attacked iceweasel out of the blue, with no provocation whatsoever, and started downdinging her and sniping at her relentlessly. Iceweasel made repeated overtures to her to contact her and deal with what was clearly a personal issue offline but this was repeatedly refused. Sharm instead continued to snipe, and email other people with lies about 'evil iceweasel'. I was on holiday in Glasgow with iceweasel when it happened.
Eventually, Sharm made the lies that she had been feeding her friends in emails public by posting them on this site, at which point we were compelled to refute them. It was regrettable having to do that, because we had to reveal something that was acutely embarrassing to her - but at that point we had no choice.
1366 | suchislife Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:00:20pm |
re: #1363 suchislife
obviously I meant this isn't, not this is
1367 | Obdicut Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:00:30pm |
re: #1358 talon_262
Apparently CapeCoddah has a PhD in interwebs psychology. Oh, an Iceweasel has 'fooled' all the rest of us, but CapeCoddah is so wise and smart they're not fooled by Ice. So, sorry, but it appears if you like Ice, you're just dumb.
1368 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:00:38pm |
re: #1364 albusteve
wozzablog(Logged in)
Registered since: Oct 11, 2009 at 3:52 pm
1369 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:00:41pm |
re: #1350 The Sanity Inspector
Computer animation of volcanic mudflow at a Filipino volcano in 2006
[Link: www.buffalo.edu...]
Story here.
...and maybe Charles can fix it so that .mov files will appear inline, if he needs a challenge or anything.
1370 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:00:41pm |
re: #1346 cliffster
Not me. I had a dream last night LGF let me ding limitlessly. I downdinged albusteve over and over again. By the time I woke up, his karma matched our national debt. Booya!
Well, I wanted to upding.
BUT.
Albusteve's a good guy!
What you wanna put him out like the national debt for?
He's a new grampy.
With a cute new kiddo.
And, mostly a nice guy.
So, no upding for you!
1371 | Obdicut Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:00:44pm |
re: #1364 albusteve
The god of irony should reward you for that post, Steve.
1372 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:01:13pm |
re: #1246 CapeCoddah
I have seen her debase those who agree with her to an extremely unacceptable level, then continue the antagonism. Sorry, DF, but that is a sign of a serious problem. She enjoys debasing others, and gets a kick from it. Some see it, some do not. Some, I suspect, are afraid to call it. I am not.
OK, that's enough asshole.
You're not some Internet Psychiatrist, you're a wannabe, you have no god given right to abuse anyone like that and your experience being part of a dysfunctional relationship at one time of your life, no matter how bad, is far more likely to fuck you up than give you an ability to 'see' something in someone else. If you have problems dealing with people on the Internet, then get off the Internet. If you imagine you can somehow see psychosis in others over a medium that is as sparse of information about the real person as this blog is, then for your sake get some help.
If you can't discuss another person without being irrational, well then shut the fuck up.
1373 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:01:38pm |
re: #1355 Jimmah
Yeah that's right steve. Imagine thinking that calling someone - with zero justification - a sociopath and a toxic bully - and going on and on ad on about it - in any way denotes hate! How silly///
yeah...do you have a hobby?...other than LGF?...you choose to be part of it or not
1374 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:02:22pm |
re: #1354 cliffster
I'll think about you when I'm pulling weeds tomorrow.
I've always imagined myself as a thistle
1375 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:02:23pm |
I'm just gonna say it looks like Ice is ready to Move One. I am Moving On.
Music Link!
A personal fave of mine.
1376 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:02:32pm |
re: #1256 Walter L. Newton
Steve, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Steve. And all the assholes want us to shit all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes, Steve. And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!
I love that cartoon. Even if it is full of neo-conservative crap.
1377 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:03:04pm |
PIMF
Ice looks ready to move on not one. Ugh.
1378 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:03:12pm |
re: #1367 Obdicut
Apparently CapeCoddah has a PhD in interwebs psychology. Oh, an Iceweasel has 'fooled' all the rest of us, but CapeCoddah is so wise and smart they're not fooled by Ice. So, sorry, but it appears if you like Ice, you're just dumb.
Right. See, the fact that there are people who like me here even though we disagree completely politically, and with whom I get along perfectly fine, is just further proof of how evil I am.
Trickse, trickse lib!
1379 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:03:14pm |
1380 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:03:16pm |
I just love the pissing matches.
/
1381 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:03:22pm |
re: #1370 Floral Giraffe
Well, I wanted to upding.
BUT.
Albusteve's a good guy!
What you wanna put him out like the national debt for?
He's a new grampy.
With a cute new kiddo.
And, mostly a nice guy.So, no upding for you!
That's right! And I meant to puff a cigar for him today. Maybe I'll go ahead and do it, but it's so late.. don't want to go to bed with a cigar high. Congrats again, a-steve - I'll dream about updinging you tonight.
1382 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:03:40pm |
re: #1364 albusteve
I know you're just trolling us, but didn't this come up just the other day, where the few old-time liberals talked about how insanely toxic it was, back in the good ol' days?
1383 | Obdicut Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:04:02pm |
Well, I'm not in the mood for any of this, so I'm out.
Goodnight, all, hope everyone's evening transforms into a blithe and happy one.
1384 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:04:31pm |
re: #1321 prairiefire
You think just like I do and you are a conservative. Wild.
So many distinctions drawn between people are, well, just false distinctions. Good folks are good folks. Don't give a rip about who you vote for or even why - just check them out first...are they good folks - or not?
1385 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:04:31pm |
re: #1367 Obdicut
I'm the only doctor of internet psychiatry we need >
1386 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:04:42pm |
re: #1363 suchislife
Thank you very, very much for that post.
1387 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:05:04pm |
Presidents Kennedy and Johnson touting the benefits of the new Medicare legislation:
1388 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:05:36pm |
re: #1386 iceweasel
Its sad because some of us would get shouted down for saying that, its good to have reasonable third parties around >>
1389 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:05:37pm |
re: #1314 CapeCoddah
Trust me when I tell you that Ice occupies not even the smallest portion of my mind at any time.
The way you're going on and on about this makes me think you'd be over at Blogmocracy or Correspondence Committee in a shot if ever you were bounced or flounced...you just ain't making a whole lot of sense right now.
1390 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:06:15pm |
re: #1375 Rightwingconspirator
I'm just gonna say it looks like Ice is ready to Move One. I am Moving On.
Music Link!
A personal fave of mine.
Hey, that should be "let's all Move On dot org", pal! //
1391 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:06:20pm |
re: #1383 Obdicut
Well, I'm not in the mood for any of this, so I'm out.
Goodnight, all, hope everyone's evening transforms into a blithe and happy one.
Maybe the gods of saturday night rain run and ebullience on you
1392 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:06:25pm |
I hearby decree that all self-proclaimed "internet psychologists" need a GOOD shrink. And a serious course of at least 52 weeks of head examining. No, not for lice, you fool!
///
1393 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:06:54pm |
re: #1391 cliffster
Maybe the gods of saturday night rain
runfun and ebullience on you
Fixed it for me
1394 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:07:00pm |
re: #1382 windsagio
I know you're just trolling us, but didn't this come up just the other day, where the few old-time liberals talked about how insanely toxic it was, back in the good ol' days?
I gave my opinion...insanely toxic? quite an exaggeration, like 2/3 of most of the bullshit that passes for discourse here...I'm not trolling anybody
1395 | Lidane Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:07:10pm |
re: #1380 Cannadian Club Akbar
I just love the pissing matches.
/
And I always miss them. By the time I get here, these threads have 1000+ posts and I'm totally lost about what the actual conversation is.
Ah well. C'est la vie, I guess. :)
1396 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:07:39pm |
re: #1383 Obdicut
Well, I'm not in the mood for any of this, so I'm out.
Goodnight, all, hope everyone's evening transforms into a blithe and happy one.
Shit Obdi, I was hoping you'd stick around and we could all start talking about HCR or music or anything else.
1397 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:08:24pm |
re: #1395 Lidane
And I always miss them. By the time I get here, these threads have 1000+ posts and I'm totally lost about what the actual conversation is.
Ah well. C'est la vie, I guess. :)
Do what I do. Pour a big fuckin' drink and just watch. It's better than TV.:)
1398 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:08:30pm |
re: #1395 Lidane
You haven't missed anything.
It's available on instant replay any day ending in Y around here without daddy.
1399 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:08:53pm |
re: #1396 iceweasel
Shit Obdi, I was hoping you'd stick around and we could all start talking about HCR or music or anything else.
Ain't a party without Obdi. Shit, dawg, why you gotta bail?
1400 | suchislife Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:09:05pm |
re: #1386 iceweasel
Well, you know. I do hope I wouldn't let that kind of thing happen to a less fun person, but you do make it easy.
1402 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:09:53pm |
re: #1394 albusteve
no you totally are, but that's why we love you :D
as to the other thing, look it up. A few people were talking about it yesterday and the day before.
1403 | Lidane Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:10:08pm |
re: #1397 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do what I do. Pour a big fuckin' drink and just watch. It's better than TV.:)
I might just do that. I didn't have any big plans tonight anyway. Plus, I already have popcorn ready. ;)
1404 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:10:21pm |
re: #1397 Cannadian Club Akbar
Do what I do. Pour a big fuckin' drink and just watch. It's better than TV.:)
Almost as good as wrasslin'...
///
1405 | Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:10:27pm |
blog sprogs -
i am off to the land of nod.
laters gaters.
1406 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:11:11pm |
Why I Parted Ways With The Right
Opinion %P% Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:49:45 pm PST
1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.)
2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.)
3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.)
4. Support for anti-science bad craziness (see: creationism, climate change denialism, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, etc.)
5. Support for homophobic bigotry (see: Sarah Palin, Dobson, the entire religious right, etc.)
6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)
7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.)
8. A right-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech (see: Hot Air, Free Republic, Ace of Spades, etc.)
9. Anti-Islamic bigotry that goes far beyond simply criticizing radical Islam, into support for fascism, violence, and genocide (see: Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, etc.)
10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source)
And much, much more. The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff.
I won’t be going over the cliff with them.
1407 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:12:40pm |
1408 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:13:31pm |
re: #1402 windsagio
no you totally are, but that's why we love you :D
as to the other thing, look it up. A few people were talking about it yesterday and the day before.
probably people that have not been here long...why the fixation anyway on what was?...you some kinda troll?....do you ever post anything other than your opinion about other people?....a people troll?
1409 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:14:15pm |
re: #1406 Gus 802
Yeah, I can't find much fault with that.
1410 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:14:45pm |
re: #1406 Gus 802
I didn't leave my righty principles. I don't ebb and flow with popular belief. I don't have polls or any of that bullshit. I have my beliefs and I stick to them. Can you see why I'm not a politician?
1411 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:14:53pm |
OOOh - There is more speculation about General Petraus running for president. If he waits until 2016, I'm voting for him "early and often*."
*and not for the first time in my family. When my great-grandmother wanted fo vote the first time it was allowed for women, the officials weren't having any of that hippy nonsense...until she told them who she wanted to vote for, then they let her go twice.
1412 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:15:02pm |
1413 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:15:35pm |
Any gun nuts here tonight? I finally got my first 50 reloads done today. I bought a Lee Loader - that's the simple little kit that only works for one caliber & you use a hammer to get all the bits together (great stress reliever I might add). See the link in my blue name if you want more info. So my usual weekly Monday morning range time will start with those.
.38 special, 125 gr. JFP over 4.5 grains of Universal for those who care. Much cheaper than even the last box of Magtech I bought :)
/hey, it's better than keeping the other thing going... :eek:
William
1414 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:16:11pm |
re: #1413 wlewisiii
I fi that description. :)>
1415 | Lidane Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:16:33pm |
re: #1404 talon_262
Almost as good as wrasslin'...
///
But is it as entertaining as UFC? That's what I want to know. ;)
1416 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:16:59pm |
re: #1406 Gus 802
Why I Parted Ways With The Right
Opinion %P% Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:49:45 pm PST1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.)
2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.)
3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.)
4. Support for anti-science bad craziness (see: creationism, climate change denialism, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, etc.)
5. Support for homophobic bigotry (see: Sarah Palin, Dobson, the entire religious right, etc.)
6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)
7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.)
8. A right-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech (see: Hot Air, Free Republic, Ace of Spades, etc.)
9. Anti-Islamic bigotry that goes far beyond simply criticizing radical Islam, into support for fascism, violence, and genocide (see: Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, etc.)
10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source)
And much, much more. The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff.
I won’t be going over the cliff with them.
Shit we just saw in evidence today, with TPers casting slurs at Barney Frank and John Lewis...I'm with Charles, because shit like this is absolutely disgusting and has no place in American politics.
1417 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:17:14pm |
re: #1410 Cannadian Club Akbar
I didn't leave my righty principles. I don't ebb and flow with popular belief. I don't have polls or any of that bullshit. I have my beliefs and I stick to them. Can you see why I'm not a politician?
unless you freak out with months of histrionics about the right, you probably are not even a credible voter...cracks me up when people say "I am no longer a conservative!"...haha!
1418 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:18:23pm |
re: #1413 wlewisiii
I am not familiar with Universal. Fast powder? We use Winchester 231 for .45 & .40
1419 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:18:31pm |
re: #1416 talon_262
Shit we just saw in evidence today, with TPers casting slurs at Barney Frank and John Lewis...I'm with Charles, because shit like this is absolutely disgusting and has no place in American politics.
Today was more craziness on display. I think the Tea Party as a movement is on its way out. Given their behavior and rhetoric. What we saw at the Tea Party convention.
1420 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:18:52pm |
re: #1417 albusteve
Declared unto the blogosphere from the mountaintop
1421 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:18:56pm |
re: #1418 Rightwingconspirator
Or Supertarget.
1422 | DaddyLawBucks Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:19:39pm |
Is it true that there is a sex tape with Ann Coulter and Liz Chaney?
1423 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:19:50pm |
1424 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:20:18pm |
re: #1367 Obdicut
Apparently CapeCoddah has a PhD in interwebs psychology. Oh, an Iceweasel has 'fooled' all the rest of us, but CapeCoddah is so wise and smart they're not fooled by Ice. So, sorry, but it appears if you like Ice, you're just dumb.
Nope, as I said, I have dealt with that personality all too often. Most never see the problem or are afraid to stand up to it. I see it and am not afraid of it. Simple as that. I am also not the only one, by far.
1425 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:20:28pm |
re: #1419 Gus 802
Today was more craziness on display. I think the Tea Party as a movement is on its way out. Given their behavior and rhetoric. What we saw at the Tea Party convention.
Damn, I really really hope so. It's been unreal. Just cruised the wingnutsphere and it's like an alternate reality. (even more so than before, that is).
1426 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:21:07pm |
re: #1411 keloyd
OOOh - There is more speculation about General Petraus running for president. If he waits until 2016, I'm voting for him "early and often*."
*and not for the first time in my family. When my great-grandmother wanted fo vote the first time it was allowed for women, the officials weren't having any of that hippy nonsense...until she told them who she wanted to vote for, then they let her go twice.
Trivia: Who are the only two Presidents of the 20th Century who graduated from military academies?
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Ike, from West Point.
And Jimmy, from Annapolis.
1427 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:21:10pm |
1428 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:21:23pm |
re: #1425 iceweasel
The fade of the fringe will get even stranger as the sensible ascends. I hope!
1429 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:21:46pm |
re: #1372 b_sharp
OK, that's enough asshole.
You're not some Internet Psychiatrist, you're a wannabe, you have no god given right to abuse anyone like that and your experience being part of a dysfunctional relationship at one time of your life, no matter how bad, is far more likely to fuck you up than give you an ability to 'see' something in someone else. If you have problems dealing with people on the Internet, then get off the Internet. If you imagine you can somehow see psychosis in others over a medium that is as sparse of information about the real person as this blog is, then for your sake get some help.
If you can't discuss another person without being irrational, well then shut the fuck up.
Not being irrational at all. Just truthful. Dont like it, too bad.
1431 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:22:55pm |
re: #1425 iceweasel
Damn, I really really hope so. It's been unreal. Just cruised the wingnutsphere and it's like an alternate reality. (even more so than before, that is).
I'm hoping as well. They'll never make is as a national party as they are now. They're too backwater and far too reactionary and shall we say off.
1433 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:23:30pm |
re: #1389 talon_262
The way you're going on and on about this makes me think you'd be over at Blogmocracy or Correspondence Committee in a shot if ever you were bounced or flounced...you just ain't making a whole lot of sense right now.
Think again. I have no intention of flouncing. No reason for it. No respect for those who have.
1434 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:23:32pm |
1435 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:23:47pm |
re: #1424 CapeCoddah
Ok, enough with your threadshitting. Take a look over at our stats. At any given moment there are over a thousand people reading here.
They're not coming to read bullshit like what you're spewing.
They're not coming here to read your vindictive and nasty crap aimed at someone you don't even know.
Post something sensible or STFU. If you indeed have anything to contribute, and if indeed you care about LGF at all.
1436 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:23:49pm |
1437 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:24:00pm |
re: #1425 iceweasel
Damn, I really really hope so. It's been unreal. Just cruised the wingnutsphere and it's like an alternate reality. (even more so than before, that is).
the theocrats are on the march...and they are picking up steam, the GOP has given them the vehicle and I don't see why the movement would slow or stop....that opportunity was lost months ago...a lot will get sorted out soon come
1438 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:24:10pm |
1439 | DaddyLawBucks Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:24:23pm |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but during the early to mid 1960's didn't we experience an even stronger (and violent) reaction to civil rights progress similar to what we are seeing in opposition to HCR? My thesis is that the same type of people, terrified of change, are having a similar reaction, just less violent this time.
1440 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:24:23pm |
re: #1408 albusteve
You've gotta think up a new line of attack man, that one's a dry socket.
1443 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:25:02pm |
re: #1418 Rightwingconspirator
I am not familiar with Universal. Fast powder? We use Winchester 231 for .45 & .40
Fairly fast. It's supposed to be a bit more all-around version of Clay's. I was looking for W231 but found that instead. It seems (from the reloading data books) that Universal is good for lower pressure stuff - .38 Special, .45 Colt or ACP but not so much for higher pressure rounds like 9mm or .40.
I'll have to figure a good high pressure powder soon enough as I think my next toy will be a S&W Sigma. Not sure or 9mm or .40 yet - probably 9mm due to the existence of Milsurp hardball.
William
1444 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:25:04pm |
re: #1430 Jimmah
Ok folks - I got a plane to catch - see y'all later.
have a safe and uneventful trip bro
1445 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:25:39pm |
re: #1440 windsagio
You've gotta think up a new line of attack man, that one's a dry socket.
prove it otherwise...man
1446 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:26:29pm |
re: #1422 daddylawbucks
Is it true that there is a sex tape with Ann Coulter and Liz Chaney?
Totally false, the tape I saw was with Anne and Michelle Obama. :-/
1447 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:26:47pm |
re: #1427 cliffster
Not me. Among other things, I lack the dramaphilia
you have as much voice as anybody here
1448 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:27:17pm |
re: #1439 daddylawbucks
Correct me if I'm wrong, but during the early to mid 1960's didn't we experience an even stronger (and violent) reaction to civil rights progress similar to what we are seeing in opposition to HCR? My thesis is that the same type of people, terrified of change, are having a similar reaction, just less violent this time.
How much money did the gubment steal from people and their employers for civil rights?
1449 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:27:17pm |
1450 | Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:27:19pm |
re: #1434 Cato the Elder
Yup, it's a national story and the culmination of what we've been talking about here on LGF for the past year. It's not just the Tea Parties but it's the GOP and conservatism in general. Embarrassed and disgraced for not cleaning house. Not only are they repeatedly exposed as extremists, idiots and lunatics they also failed to stop reform of the healthcare system. Epic fail. More fails to come. They aren't getting the message yet.
1451 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:27:28pm |
re: #1430 Jimmah
Ok folks - I got a plane to catch - see y'all later.
Have a good trip. Don't forget to visit beautiful New Jersey.
1452 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:27:48pm |
1453 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:28:08pm |
re: #1435 iceweasel
Ok, enough with your threadshitting. Take a look over at our stats. At any given moment there are over a thousand people reading here.
They're not coming to read bullshit like what you're spewing.
They're not coming here to read your vindictive and nasty crap aimed at someone you don't even know.Post something sensible or STFU. If you indeed have anything to contribute, and if indeed you care about LGF at all.
LOL! Dont tell me what to do, say or think...ever.
1454 | Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:28:46pm |
re: #1406 Gus 802
This saddens me. We need intelligent and balanced right wingers to swing us back toward a more centrist position. We can't gain balance with the extremists in charge of either (sometimes both) parties.
1455 | DaddyLawBucks Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:29:29pm |
re: #1448 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, I think any economist would tell you that the civil rights act of 1964 was an overall boost to our economy.
1456 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:30:04pm |
re: #1443 wlewisiii
I went with Supertarget over 231 for a lower perceived recoil and a cleaner powder. I aim for a power factor high enough for IDPA competition, yet comfortable for those long 300 round plus practice days. I use 231 loads for Steel Challenge, just enough to ring the steel well.
1457 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:30:32pm |
1.1 volt battery used for electroplating--2000 years ago. The Baghdad Battery.
1458 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:30:33pm |
1459 | windhorse Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:31:01pm |
...threadshitting... bullshit... spewing... vindictive... nasty crap....
Come on CapeCoddah, post something sensible.
1460 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:31:29pm |
re: #1445 albusteve
I would but the posts are invisible to you anyways.
That's part of the fun tho', its fun watching new people come in, get pissed off at you once or twice, then get clued into your schtick. Its like a rite of passage :D
1461 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:31:35pm |
re: #1455 daddylawbucks
Actually, I think any economist would tell you that the civil rights act of 1964 was an overall boost to our economy.
I agree. You said people were afraid of change. The civil rights movement wasn't about the gubment setting legislation to take money away from the tax payer. That was the question.
1462 | MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:32:23pm |
re: #1433 CapeCoddah
Think again. I have no intention of flouncing. No reason for it. No respect for those who have.
Not that I wish you to flounce or get the stick, but I've seen this play before and it's not been pretty. If you don't get along with someone, just ignore them and move on with the program.
/your thoughts betray you...
1463 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:32:40pm |
re: #1426 The Sanity Inspector
Carter!? Devil his due, he was good at a lot of things before making a pigs breakfast of being president.
We need to go back to the old school - in the Roman republic. I mean the ambitious, plucky republic, not the fat, indulgent, soft, perverted Empire. When they had a war, they routinely lost 1/4 to 1/3 of their senators. Being a leader in government was earned by something like merit. It meant putting your money where your mouth was and leading armies. They didn't put up with that half-arse crap military service that Gore and W got away with due to family connections, or Clinton's manoeuvrings to flee the country"for college".
1464 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:33:03pm |
re: #1459 windhorse
...threadshitting... bullshit... spewing... vindictive... nasty crap...
Come on CapeCoddah, post something sensible.
LOL, Pot, meet kettle.
(not you, WH)
1465 | Lidane Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:33:15pm |
re: #1419 Gus 802
Today was more craziness on display. I think the Tea Party as a movement is on its way out. Given their behavior and rhetoric. What we saw at the Tea Party convention.
I definitely hope so.
Some of the signs on display were bad enough, but the racial slurs and members of Congress being spit on and all that is just beyond uncalled for. Also, someone throwing a brick at Rep. Louise Slaughter's office is way, waaaay out of line.
There's a lot of unhinged anger out there, and very little of it has to do with health care. I refuse to believe that this bill could cause that much rage. It's much deeper and much scarier than all that. I just wish there were elected Republicans out there willing to take these nutjobs on and call them out on crap like that. It would be nice.
1467 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:35:01pm |
re: #1458 albusteve
huh?..why do you say that?
Ha! Sorry, misread what you wrote. Scratch the licking invitation
1468 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:35:02pm |
re: #1439 daddylawbucks
Correct me if I'm wrong, but during the early to mid 1960's didn't we experience an even stronger (and violent) reaction to civil rights progress similar to what we are seeing in opposition to HCR? My thesis is that the same type of people, terrified of change, are having a similar reaction, just less violent this time.
You can stand corrected. Not even close. Neither Bush, Sheriff Clark nor Hitler are stand ins for every government initiative one decries. But it is damned easy to do!
1469 | DaddyLawBucks Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:35:04pm |
re: #1461 Cannadian Club Akbar
I see your point. Fortunately, the reaction to HCR has been non-violent so far, but the level of vitriol is similar. The cost factor is up for debate. In the long run, we probably make money, not lose it, by just giving everyone a health care card. Less days off work, fewer bankruptcy petitions, all that.
1470 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:35:09pm |
Never play peek-a-boo with a child on a long plane trip.
There's no end to the game. Finally I grabbed him by the bib and
said, "Look, it's always gonna be me!"
-- Rita Rudner
Though a plane is not the ideal place really to think, to
reassess or reevaluate things, it is a great place to have the
illusion of doing so, and often the illusion with suffice.
-- Shana Alexander
You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get
hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you
weren't nauseated by the food. So you are grateful.
-- Paul Theroux, _The Old Patagonian Express_, 1979
Air travel shrink-wraps the world leaving it small, odourless,
tidy, and usually out of sight.
-- Michael Palin, _Around the World in 80 Days_, 1989
1471 | CapeCoddah Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:35:22pm |
re: #1462 talon_262
Not that I wish you to flounce or get the stick, but I've seen this play before and it's not been pretty. If you don't get along with someone, just ignore them and move on with the program.
/your thoughts betray you...
If I get the stick for voicing an opinion about a bully, so be it. I do ignore IW. She replies to me, and baits with it. I will not turn the other cheek for her or anyone else. I slap back.
1472 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:36:52pm |
re: #1465 Lidane
There's a lot of unhinged anger out there, and very little of it has to do with health care. I refuse to believe that this bill could cause that much rage. It's much deeper and much scarier than all that. I just wish there were elected Republicans out there willing to take these nutjobs on and call them out on crap like that. It would be nice.
Oh absolutely. I hope this shames some of them at least into calling it out.
"This is incredible," House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) told reporters of the slurs. "It's shocking to me." He said he hadn't heard such vitriol since March 15, 1960 when he was protesting segregation laws that forced him to sit in the back of buses. "A lot of us have been saying for a long time that much of this, much of this, is not about health care at all," Clyburn said. "I think a lot of those people today demonstrated this is not about health care."
Sounds right to me. They're uninformed, bigoted, angry and virulent.
1473 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:37:08pm |
re: #1456 Rightwingconspirator
I went with Supertarget over 231 for a lower perceived recoil and a cleaner powder. I aim for a power factor high enough for IDPA competition, yet comfortable for those long 300 round plus practice days. I use 231 loads for Steel Challenge, just enough to ring the steel well.
I'm thinking about getting into IDPA SSR as well (there's a place not too far from here) but for now I'm just interested in a good basic load to get used to reloading & to be able to afford more range time. If I get into that, I intend to load only 158 gr. LSWC to help with the power factor, but for now these will do.
I might add these are for a S&W Model 64 4". Very nice trade in that I got my hands on cheaply.
William
1474 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:37:10pm |
There's an ignominy to modern air travel that I'd come to
dread. There's no arousing sense of passage towards your destination:
no slowly changing landscape reaches back along the line of your
motion, adding usefully to an awareness of where you will end up. The
quantitative measure of the distance you are travelling loses all
relevance; miles mean nothing as you leap, in a single stratospheric
bound, across the barriers that have guided, ever since humankind
stood vertical enough to get over them, the very passage of
civilizations.
-- Jason Elliot, _An Unexpected Light: Travels in
Afghanistan_, 2001
1475 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:37:44pm |
Kentucky won.
100th tournament win.
They are in their proper place.
All is right with the world....
1476 | Lidane Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:38:25pm |
re: #1454 Escaped Hillbilly
This saddens me. We need intelligent and balanced right wingers to swing us back toward a more centrist position.
I would love for there to be an intelligent, balanced right wing out there. I'd also love to see a real debate on the issues and a real conversation going on in this country.
However, as long as the right is dominated by carnival barkers like Beck and Limbaugh whipping people into a frenzy like they have over this bill, and as long as we keep seeing the kind of unhinged crazy that the Teabaggers are bringing to the party, we're not going to get anywhere. That's just sad, IMO.
1477 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:38:35pm |
re: #1450 Killgore Trout
Yup, it's a national story and the culmination of what we've been talking about here on LGF for the past year. It's not just the Tea Parties but it's the GOP and conservatism in general. Embarrassed and disgraced for not cleaning house. Not only are they repeatedly exposed as extremists, idiots and lunatics they also failed to stop reform of the healthcare system. Epic fail. More fails to come. They aren't getting the message yet.
there has always been closet revolutionaries, bigots, racists etc...they are out there and they never much bothered me...like I said all last year, wait and see what shakes out...well what shook out is the astounding degree of credibility the GOP has given the kooks, and that cred had blended into a party doctrine of sorts...I keep falling back to the next line of defense, how much of this shit is the gen pop gonna swallow?...and there again we will see some smoke clear this next cycle...conservatism is less about politics than lifestyle, or equal to anyway...I still think it's a reach to say that conservatives embrace bigotry and racism on principle even tho the GOP has...it's good to not be a republican...it's interesting and I for one do not see the demise of the theocrats anytime soon
1478 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:39:13pm |
re: #1469 daddylawbucks
OK. I think we are on the same page. The problem I see is this: I don't need lawyers (no offense if you are one) writing legislation dealing in economics. You get me Dr. Thomas Sowell agreeing, or any of other economist, and I'm there. Not career politicians. I fuckin' know more than they do.
1479 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:39:13pm |
re: #1473 wlewisiii
Looks like an excellent start. IDPA is great fun. Really sharpened us up. Safe and challenging.
1480 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:39:21pm |
re: #1475 webevintage
Kentucky won.
100th tournament win.
They are in their proper place.
All is right with the world...
My only hope each year is for an all-ACC Final Four. Gets less likely with every passing decade, it seems.
1481 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:39:32pm |
1482 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:39:39pm |
re: #1463 keloyd
We need to go back to the old school - in the Roman republic.
You're either insane, or drunk, or somewhat underinformed about the Roman republic.
1483 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:39:40pm |
re: #1472 iceweasel
Sounds right to me. They're uninformed, bigoted, angry and virulent.
The civil rights protests were the first thing that came to my mind when I read what went on today.
1484 | DaddyLawBucks Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:39:55pm |
re: #1468 The Shadow Do
hang on, I was saying the reaction in the 1960's was stronger and more violent. Do you disagree with that?
1485 | What, me worry? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:39:58pm |
re: #1472 iceweasel
Sounds right to me. They're uninformed, bigoted, angry and virulent.
From one of the articles up thread.
"Any movement in which the intellectual leader is Michele Bachmann is obviously going to be problematic.” - Barney Frank
lol
1486 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:40:00pm |
re: #1465 Lidane
I definitely hope so.
Some of the signs on display were bad enough, but the racial slurs and members of Congress being spit on and all that is just beyond uncalled for. Also, someone throwing a brick at Rep. Louise Slaughter's office is way, waaay out of line.
There's a lot of unhinged anger out there, and very little of it has to do with health care. I refuse to believe that this bill could cause that much rage. It's much deeper and much scarier than all that. I just wish there were elected Republicans out there willing to take these nutjobs on and call them out on crap like that. It would be nice.
Regardless of how the health care legislation is voted on once that passes the Tea Party will largely go extent. Their only other platform that may be relevant is taxation and/or spending. However, if we disregard their shall we say, moral deficiencies they have nothing. They have zero credibility with foreign policy, the environment, transportation, military, education, etc. They are for the most party a single issue organization.
1487 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:40:25pm |
re: #1475 webevintage
Kentucky won.
100th tournament win.
They are in their proper place.
All is right with the world...
Wisconsin is going to kick their asses. Hell, Cornell will if needs be.
1488 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:40:46pm |
re: #1475 webevintage
Kentucky won.
100th tournament win.
They are in their proper place.
All is right with the world...
They will win it all. so it is written, so it shall be.
/bastids
1489 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:40:59pm |
re: #1429 CapeCoddah
Not being irrational at all. Just truthful. Dont like it, too bad.
1490 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:41:17pm |
re: #1484 daddylawbucks
hang on, I was saying the reaction in the 1960's was stronger and more violent. Do you disagree with that?
Was that the Chicago 8? (I was born in '67)
1491 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:41:23pm |
re: #1486 Gus 802
Regardless of how the health care legislation is voted on once that passes the Tea Party will largely go extent. Their only other platform that may be relevant is taxation and/or spending. However, if we disregard their shall we say, moral deficiencies they have nothing. They have zero credibility with foreign policy, the environment, transportation, military, education, etc. They are for the most party a single issue organization.
From your lips to the voters ears!
1492 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:41:26pm |
re: #1271 The Sanity Inspector
Would you mind expanding on that thought?
Holy shit, you're asking for my hypotheses on human group dynamics, evolutionarily stable strategies, development of moral convention and the impact of game theory on social groups larger than optimum.
That could be a really long post.
I suspect it will have to be my next blog post.
There is an unspoken agreement within social groups that can be summarized as 'you watch my back and I'll watch yours but if you fail to watch my back or just happen to put a knife into it, I or my kin will take revenge, not just on you but your family. I will also keep a tally of how well you hold up your end of the bargain and I expect you will do the same, so as long as the ratio of favours asked to favours performed stays balanced, we'll live together with a modicum of friction.
Our current social groups are too large for this kind of personal bookkeeping, so we write laws and develop systems, like governments, NGOs, charities and such to keep track of the 'who owes who' and to try to balance inequities.
In the small groups we developed in, usually less than ~100 members and most likely around ~40, any breaking of the contract resulted in almost instantaneous and frequently violent, or costly in some other way, resolution. In large groups the resolution can be so slow, it is almost non-existent, so many ignore it and believe the contract doesn't exist. Unfortunately for some, even though it can take a long time, it still ends in costly outcomes, just ask Marie Antoinette, Louis XVI, and the Russian Tsarist autocracy.
BTW, we still deal with small groups which we tend to matryoshka doll, one group nests within a larger group, so our bookkeeping is made simpler. We deal with our immediate family directly, but in the larger neighbourhood we deal with other family groups rather than the individuals. It just expands outward, with each layer being slightly more removed and less important to us. We protect our family against all others, even close friends. We protect our close friends against all others, except our family. And so on.
Anyway, that is the very short and simple version of my hypotheses. Sort of.
1493 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:42:14pm |
Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now (the late 60s) we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.
--William F. Buckley Jr.
1494 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:42:21pm |
re: #1272 CapeCoddah
Please show me where I said I hated you. I simply said I see right thru you, and I know what you are. I am less than impressed. I also know how folks with your personality handles opinions like that. You detest anyone who sees the truth.
For your own sake, shut up about this.
Take a break.
1495 | Bob Dillon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:42:33pm |
re: #12 Guanxi88
...biggest deficit reduction measure in history
...put us on the path to fiscal responsibility
Let's hope he's right.
We have 8 toll bridges in the SF Bay Area and are gearing up for the 4th bore on the Caldecott Tunnel complex.
I'm handling all the sales for options or outright ownership. Your pick.
While some parts of the bill are good, I can't believe the rhetoric.
1496 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:42:33pm |
re: #1487 cliffster
Wisconsin is going to kick their asses. Hell, Cornell will if needs be.
Nevah.
Muhwahahahahahaha
1497 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:42:45pm |
re: #1475 webevintage
Kentucky won.
100th tournament win.
They are in their proper place.
All is right with the world...
UNM got clobbered by UW...no NM team has ever moved past the first round, but ironically we put both universities into the dance...there are fewer people in NM than Boston, and for that alone we deserve some credit imo
1498 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:43:04pm |
re: #1476 Lidane
I would love for there to be an intelligent, balanced right wing out there. I'd also love to see a real debate on the issues and a real conversation going on in this country.
Huh? You talkin to me, you talkin to me!?...
1499 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:43:32pm |
re: #1485 marjoriemoon
Michelle Bachman is not bright. On the other hand Captain Obvious Barney Frank is the guy who said this:
WASHINGTON -- House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank said the first priority in overhauling financial regulation is to set up an entity to oversee systemic risks of the kind that walloped Wall Street last year.[Link: online.wsj.com...]
No kidding.
1500 | DaddyLawBucks Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:43:39pm |
re: #1490 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes, among lots of others, mostly on the anti side, there were a lot of murders down south.
1501 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:44:01pm |
re: #1482 negativ
You're either insane, or drunk, or somewhat underinformed about the Roman republic.
I'm not completely sober, but correct me where I'm wrong about the pre-Julius-Caesar republic. I mean the era when they were still going after the Etruscans and Greeks to get the whole Boot to themselves.
1503 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:44:26pm |
1504 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:44:32pm |
re: #1492 b_sharp
Okay, I've bookmarked your blog. You may expound at your leisure, and I'll read it at mine.
1505 | What, me worry? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:45:11pm |
re: #1499 jaunte
Michelle Bachman is not bright. On the other hand Captain Obvious Barney Frank is the guy who said this:
No kidding.
The article says it was proposed by the Bush admin last year.
1506 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:45:27pm |
re: #1496 webevintage
Nevah.
Muhwahahahahahaha
Wake Forest beat my Longhorns. Why? TX-player-who-will-not-be-named missed like 6 out of 7 free throws at the end of the game. Glad you took WF down - they didn't deserve to be in the second round. Neither did TX, of course.
1507 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:45:34pm |
re: #1499 jaunte
Michelle Bachman is not bright. On the other hand Captain Obvious Barney Frank is the guy who said this:
No kidding.
Barney Frank should at the very least get kicked out of public office. He and Chris Dodd. Talk about total mismanagement and dereliction of duty. Those two clowns are the epitome of inept.
1508 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:45:44pm |
re: #1483 webevintage
The civil rights protests were the first thing that came to my mind when I read what went on today.
the Civil Rights Movement was an astounding chapter in American, even world history....very little detail is taught in the public schools...in a few short decades, most of it has been lost
1509 | The Shadow Do Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:45:55pm |
re: #1484 daddylawbucks
hang on, I was saying the reaction in the 1960's was stronger and more violent. Do you disagree with that?
A whole 'nother deal. Trust me on that one.
1510 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:46:00pm |
re: #1483 webevintage
The civil rights protests were the first thing that came to my mind when I read what went on today.
Yes, me too. Truly demented people. I still can't get over it. To have this kind of rage and acting out over health care.
Of course, it's enacted by the first black POTUS; there is no doubt as we all know that racist sentiment is also fueling what we've been seeing.
1511 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:46:06pm |
If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual.
-- Frank Herbert, The Dosadi Experiment
1512 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:46:15pm |
re: #1499 jaunte
Michelle Bachman is not bright. On the other hand Captain Obvious Barney Frank is the guy who said this:
No kidding.
What's wrong with that?
1513 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:46:27pm |
re: #1500 daddylawbucks
Yes, among lots of others, mostly on the anti side, there were a lot of murders down south.
I'm from the south. Don't be fooled by my nic.:)
1514 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:46:37pm |
re: #1411 keloyd
OOOh - There is more speculation about General Petraus running for president. If he waits until 2016, I'm voting for him "early and often*."
*and not for the first time in my family. When my great-grandmother wanted fo vote the first time it was allowed for women, the officials weren't having any of that hippy nonsense...until she told them who she wanted to vote for, then they let her go twice.
Your great-grandmother lived in Chicago?
//
1515 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:46:58pm |
re: #1486 Gus 802
Regardless of how the health care legislation is voted on once that passes the Tea Party will largely go extent. Their only other platform that may be relevant is taxation and/or spending. However, if we disregard their shall we say, moral deficiencies they have nothing. They have zero credibility with foreign policy, the environment, transportation, military, education, etc. They are for the most party a single issue organization.
they will morph...bet me
1516 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:47:11pm |
Grilled Halibut
Grilled asparagus
Broiled tomato with parmesan
Raspberry Lambic
Dinner was really good!
1517 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:47:24pm |
re: #1493 The Sanity Inspector
Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now (the late 60s) we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich.
--William F. Buckley Jr.
nice
1518 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:47:46pm |
re: #1516 Racer X
Grilled Halibut
Grilled asparagus
Broiled tomato with parmesan
Raspberry LambicDinner was really good!
Sauce for da fish?
1519 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:47:48pm |
re: #1505 marjoriemoon
I think any government regulators will have a hard time staying ahead of the financial innovators they're trying to regulate.
1520 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:47:54pm |
1521 | Gus Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:48:09pm |
re: #1515 albusteve
they will morph...bet me
Hmm, yeah. Just slapped my forehead. I forgot about immigration reform.
[sigh]
1522 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:48:22pm |
re: #1516 Racer X
Grilled Halibut
Grilled asparagus
Broiled tomato with parmesan
Raspberry LambicDinner was really good!
Did you use salt? /menacing pc glare/
1523 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:48:38pm |
re: #1507 Racer X
Barney Frank should at the very least get kicked out of public office. He and Chris Dodd. Talk about total mismanagement and dereliction of duty. Those two clowns are the epitome of inept.
agreed...Dodd is very likely a felon
1524 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:49:02pm |
re: #1482 negativ
You're either insane, or drunk, or somewhat underinformed about the Roman republic.
AND when I said 'be like Rome' my only point was get more pols with a proper military background, and I want President Petreus in 2016. I don't mean some trustafarian who's powerful family got them to serve the Viet Nam War doing something plushy, I mean career military guys retiring from active service to serve in politics.
Really, nothing else about ancient Rome is that much of a good example for us anymore, just the pols having skin in the game part.
1525 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:49:06pm |
re: #1507 Racer X
Barney Frank should at the very least get kicked out of public office. He and Chris Dodd. Talk about total mismanagement and dereliction of duty. Those two clowns are the epitome of inept.
Chris Dodd isn't even running for reelection. I forget the Dem. who is running to replace him but he's really popular and has the election all but locked up. He's the state atty. general or lt. gov. or something like that.
1526 | Cato the Elder Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:49:15pm |
re: #1501 keloyd
I'm not completely sober, but correct me where I'm wrong about the pre-Julius-Caesar republic. I mean the era when they were still going after the Etruscans and Greeks to get the whole Boot to themselves.
You're right. In the early days, the patrician class either went to the wars themselves, or if too old sent their sons.
Later, under the Empire (which America is in all but name now), they hired substitutes, or sent armies of teutones to fight instead of Romans. When the German tribes finally turned their attention to Rome itself, there was nothing and no one to stand in their way.
1527 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:50:10pm |
re: #1515 albusteve
they will morph...bet me
It will come back twice as bad if/when immigration reform hits the table.
1528 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:50:16pm |
re: #1512 Conservative Moonbat
What's wrong with that?
It's one of the functions of he House Financial Services Committee.
1529 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:50:44pm |
re: #1517 cliffster
nice
Back when our car was speeding downhill, we were told we must put on the brakes. But now that our car is chugging slowly uphill, we are told we must put on the gas.
-- Jethro Q. Walrustitty Jr.
1530 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:50:44pm |
re: #1486 Gus 802
Regardless of how the health care legislation is voted on once that passes the Tea Party will largely go extent. Their only other platform that may be relevant is taxation and/or spending. However, if we disregard their shall we say, moral deficiencies they have nothing. They have zero credibility with foreign policy, the environment, transportation, military, education, etc. They are for the most party a single issue organization.
They will be used by politicians hoping to surf on their wave to greater power, and then dumped. Just like the New Right was in the 80s.
1531 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:50:51pm |
re: #1507 Racer X
Barney Frank should at the very least get kicked out of public office. He and Chris Dodd. Talk about total mismanagement and dereliction of duty. Those two clowns are the epitome of inept.
Quite Concur.
1532 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:50:51pm |
re: #1516 Racer X
Grilled Halibut
Grilled asparagus
Broiled tomato with parmesan
Raspberry LambicDinner was really good!
Yummy.
Last night we had take out from a local gyros/pizza place and I had spanakopita. It was so good I decided to try my hand it tonight.
Turned out pretty good for my first time.
Theirs was creamier, I think they put their tzatziki sauce in the spinach/ricotta/feta mix.
1534 | Racer X Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:51:08pm |
re: #1518 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sauce for da fish?
Marinated in honey, garlic, balsamic vinegar, olive oil, soy sauce. Reduced the remaining marinade down to a glaze. My wife is the best!
1535 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:51:09pm |
re: #1514 Dark_Falcon
Your great-grandmother lived in Chicago?
//
Nah, Texas. She also rose from the grave to vote for LBJ, with the same green pen and handwriting, in alphabetical order, as many other ghosts, wraiths, banshees, and assorted phantasms.
1536 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:51:16pm |
re: #1521 Gus 802
Hmm, yeah. Just slapped my forehead. I forgot about immigration reform.
[sigh]
the kooks have one quality that will fuel their continuation...arrogance, and it's NOT all about HCR...per Iceweasle
1537 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:51:17pm |
re: #1528 jaunte
It's one of the functions of he House Financial Services Committee.
Can we form a committee to see how the gubment is spending our money?
1538 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:51:25pm |
re: #1396 iceweasel
Shit Obdi, I was hoping you'd stick around and we could all start talking about HCR or music or anything else.
Anything else.
How about chocolate.
1539 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:52:20pm |
re: #1532 webevintage
Yummy.
Last night we had take out from a local gyros/pizza place and I had spanakopita. It was so good I decided to try my hand it tonight.
Turned out pretty good for my first time.
Theirs was creamier, I think they put their tzatziki sauce in the spinach/ricotta/feta mix.
Try sour cream.
1540 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:53:21pm |
re: #1538 b_sharp
Anything else.
How about chocolate.
Chocolate: discuss.
I like it!
Food posts and music are usually something people can agree on...
1541 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:53:26pm |
re: #1413 wlewisiii
Any gun nuts here tonight? I finally got my first 50 reloads done today. I bought a Lee Loader - that's the simple little kit that only works for one caliber & you use a hammer to get all the bits together (great stress reliever I might add). See the link in my blue name if you want more info. So my usual weekly Monday morning range time will start with those.
.38 special, 125 gr. JFP over 4.5 grains of Universal for those who care. Much cheaper than even the last box of Magtech I bought :)
/hey, it's better than keeping the other thing going... :eek:
William
I gotta question for the reloaders here. What takes the place of lead shot, is it stainless steel or something else?
1542 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:53:36pm |
re: #1534 Racer X
Marinated in honey, garlic, balsamic vinegar, olive oil, soy sauce. Reduced the remaining marinade down to a glaze. My wife is the best!
I'm moving in. Got room for a Foosball table?
/
1543 | What, me worry? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:53:54pm |
re: #1519 jaunte
I think any government regulators will have a hard time staying ahead of the financial innovators they're trying to regulate.
I don't know. Doesn't sound so bad to me, but then again, I'm just one of those intelligent, politically savvy, argumentative liberal females with an overly inflated ego [i.e. know-it-all] you've heard tell about.
1544 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:54:04pm |
1545 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:54:50pm |
re: #1543 marjoriemoon
I don't know. Doesn't sound so bad to me, but then again, I'm just one of those intelligent, politically savvy, argumentative liberal females with an overly inflated ego [i.e. know-it-all] you've heard tell about.
Represent!
1546 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:55:44pm |
re: #1539 Cannadian Club Akbar
Try sour cream.
Thanks, I will.
It is bothering me now, so I'm gonna pull some of the mix out of the crust and mix it with various things to see what will give me the proper taste I want.
1547 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:55:50pm |
re: #1537 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can we form a committee to see how the gubment is spending our money?
Sure. It is called the "Federal We Don't Give A Shit If You Know Where We Are Spending Your Money Subcommittee On Things Transparent That You Didn't Know Existed and Even If You Knew We Wouldn't Give A Flying Fig".
or the
FWDGASIYKWWASYMSOTTTYDKEAEIYKWWGAFF.
1548 | WindHorse Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:56:34pm |
I grew up in Milwaukee, WI..... there were two places that will always stand out clearly about Milwaukee.... the Ambrosia Chocolate factory, and the Red Star Yeast factory....
1549 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:56:41pm |
re: #1543 marjoriemoon
I don't know. Doesn't sound so bad to me, but then again, I'm just one of those intelligent, politically savvy, argumentative liberal females with an overly inflated ego [i.e. know-it-all] you've heard tell about.
I've heard of you...
1550 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:56:48pm |
re: #1463 keloyd
Carter!? Devil his due, he was good at a lot of things before making a pigs breakfast of being president.
It was the butt of many a joke at the time, but he really did deserve to have that nuclear submarine named after him. Also, as a failed President first and a humanitarian later, he was Herbert Hoover in reverse.
After American Relief Administration extended its operations into Russia and then into Ukraine, a joke went the rounds among the Jews of Kiev: ARA stood for "Amerike Ratevet Aleman"--"America Rescues Everyone".
1551 | webevintage Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:56:49pm |
re: #1540 iceweasel
Chocolate: discuss.
I like it!
Food posts and music are usually something people can agree on...
mmmmmmm, chocolate....
(done in my homer simpson voice)
1552 | What, me worry? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:56:57pm |
re: #1548 WindHorse
I grew up in Milwaukee, WI... there were two places that will always stand out clearly about Milwaukee... the Ambrosia Chocolate factory, and the Red Star Yeast factory...
What? Not Summerfest?
1553 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:57:22pm |
re: #1537 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can we form a committee to see how the gubment is spending our money?
that's what the CBO is for to some extent...of course they work for congress
1554 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:57:48pm |
re: #1544 albusteve
cruisin the Via Appia in his Linc
Cruisin' down the viae in my 6 - 4
Jockeyin' the bitches
Slapping the ho's
damn, that's the sweetest EZE reference ever
1555 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:58:13pm |
re: #1548 WindHorse
I grew up in Milwaukee, WI... there were two places that will always stand out clearly about Milwaukee... the Ambrosia Chocolate factory, and the Red Star Yeast factory...
Really? I think of Dahmer and Laverne and Shirley.
1556 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:58:13pm |
1557 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:58:17pm |
re: #1524 keloyd
AND when I said 'be like Rome' my only point was get more pols with a proper military background, and I want President Petreus in 2016. I don't mean some trustafarian who's powerful family got them to serve the Viet Nam War doing something plushy, I mean career military guys retiring from active service to serve in politics.
Really, nothing else about ancient Rome is that much of a good example for us anymore, just the pols having skin in the game part.
Eh, I'm sorry, we (as a nation) got lucky that our first president did believe in the Cincinnatus myth. We Could Never Be So Lucky Again to riff off of Jimmy Doolittle.
Now, this old leftist veteran does think that there needs to be public service if you want the right to vote - rather like Bob Heinlein in Starship Troopers thought not exclusively military service. But just assuming that having being a general is enough? I don't think so. Even then, I'd slightly prefer Wes Clark in the role.
William
1558 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:58:29pm |
re: #1543 marjoriemoon
Upding for that! I just get impatient with the regular announcements of special committees to save us from the last unforeseen disaster.
1559 | WindHorse Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:58:36pm |
re: #1552 marjoriemoon
I never spent summers in Milwaukee and never made it to Summerfest. I hear it is a good time though....
1560 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:58:40pm |
re: #1553 albusteve
that's what the CBO is for to some extent...of course they work for congress
But, but, none partisans!!!!
1561 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:59:00pm |
re: #1554 cliffster
Cruisin' down the viae in my 6 - 4
Jockeyin' the bitches
Slapping the ho'sdamn, that's the sweetest EZE reference ever
cow horns on the grill....
1562 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 8:59:14pm |
re: #1495 Bobibutu
We have 8 toll bridges in the SF Bay Area and are gearing up for the 4th bore on the Caldecott Tunnel complex.
I'm handling all the sales for options or outright ownership. Your pick.
While some parts of the bill are good, I can't believe the rhetoric.
Why does SF need Troll bridges?
1563 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:00:12pm |
1564 | WindHorse Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:00:43pm |
I also remember a couple of St Paddy's Days in Oshkosh.... anyone been there recently? (rumor had it that THAT was the place to be on St. Patrick's Day....) I always wondered how it rated.... I can tell you that I remember a few things - but not many
;)
1565 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:01:36pm |
re: #1504 The Sanity Inspector
Okay, I've bookmarked your blog. You may expound at your leisure, and I'll read it at mine.
So you're going to hold me to it are you? And here I thought I could sneak away unscathed.
It will take a while, my thoughts are a bit messed up and need some rearrangement. Re-filing might be a better word.
1566 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:02:23pm |
re: #1543 marjoriemoon
I don't know. Doesn't sound so bad to me, but then again, I'm just one of those intelligent, politically savvy, argumentative liberal females with an overly inflated ego [i.e. know-it-all] you've heard tell about.
Stop women's suffrage!! Why do we allow women to suffer?? Stop it now!
1567 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:02:26pm |
re: #1541 b_sharp
I gotta question for the reloaders here. What takes the place of lead shot, is it stainless steel or something else?
Depends. There are a number of non-toxic lead substitutes out there in shotgun shells. Steel is the cheapest but can be hard on the barrels. Realistically, it's cheaper to buy than reload those rounds though.
Now, if you're talking about California & it's latest eco move against any lead in ammuntion, that's a whole different game.
William
1568 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:03:09pm |
re: #1565 b_sharp
So you're going to hold me to it are you? And here I thought I could sneak away unscathed.
It will take a while, my thoughts are a bit messed up and need some rearrangement. Re-filing might be a better word.
I thought you did a damn good job as it was, but I wanna see the blog post. Esp game theory, etc. Although I'm not up to that convo right now, I'm afraid. Too hyper w/J's flight and all!
1569 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:03:11pm |
re: #1516 Racer X
Grilled Halibut
Grilled asparagus
Broiled tomato with parmesan
Raspberry LambicDinner was really good!
I'm going to go grab a bowl of cherrios. It's too late for more pizza.
1570 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:03:16pm |
re: #1566 cliffster
Stop women's suffrage!! Why do we allow women to suffer?? Stop it now!
Fine!! Just don't let 'em drive!!
/
1571 | What, me worry? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:03:18pm |
re: #1556 albusteve
really...what a gig!...yowza!
I saw David Cassidy there when I was 12. My parents took me :) I guess it was my first concert, come to think of it.
Anyway, he came out in a white jumpsuit that was fairly popular in the day. He stood with his back to the audience singing "I think I love you" and shaking his fanny through the whole song. People began yelling at him to turn around. When he wouldn't, they started lobbing mud balls at him (summer rain in Milwaukee can make a field mighty dirty). When he got hit by one, he stopped singing, turned around (finally!) and shouted, "I'm never coming back to Milwaukee again!" and left the stage.
In better news, a couple years later, the Beach Boys sang "409" to my g/f for her birthday. Much better concert.
1572 | prairiefire Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:03:53pm |
re: #1508 albusteve
It's been distilled into class discussion on Martin Luther King day. They do discuss it, in the general frame of ref. of MLK's accomplishments. I would like to see more about the cold war and civil rights issues in the upper grades.
1573 | What, me worry? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:04:01pm |
re: #1558 jaunte
Upding for that! I just get impatient with the regular announcements of special committees to save us from the last unforeseen disaster.
hehe I was going to say it's a Dem thing, but Bush wanted to do it also.
1574 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:04:06pm |
re: #1557 wlewisiii
[...]
Now, this old leftist veteran does think that there needs to be public service if you want the right to vote [...]William
Respectfully disagree, for the same reason that I presume you would object to being required to sign a loyalty oath before registering to vote.
1575 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:04:13pm |
re: #1562 b_sharp
Why does SF need Troll bridges?
Because it takes an awful lot of trolls to provide a feast for a city that size.
1576 | What, me worry? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:04:54pm |
re: #1559 WindHorse
I never spent summers in Milwaukee and never made it to Summerfest. I hear it is a good time though...
I guess the big draw is the beer gardens, but they always had popular headliners. I can't imagine what it costs today. Also the arts and crafts stuff was a bunch of fun.
1577 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:05:32pm |
re: #1565 b_sharp
So you're going to hold me to it are you? And here I thought I could sneak away unscathed.
It will take a while, my thoughts are a bit messed up and need some rearrangement. Re-filing might be a better word.
I won't tolerate a cloud of sociological squid ink. This will be on the test!
Remember, if you have an idea but you can't express it, you don't really have an idea.
1578 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:05:47pm |
re: #1564 WindHorse
The secret to St. Patrick's Day.
You took your own party? You had a great time? You got amnesia drunk?
If you said yes? Then. yes. You had the perfect St. Paddy's day.
1579 | What, me worry? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:06:03pm |
re: #1566 cliffster
Stop women's suffrage!! Why do we allow women to suffer?? Stop it now!
Unfortunately, I've seen the video.
1580 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:06:08pm |
re: #1541 b_sharp
I gotta question for the reloaders here. What takes the place of lead shot, is it stainless steel or something else?
Just plain old iron shot (steel), and the softer the grade the better. Stainless steel shot would eat out the inside of your barrel, since it is harder than than the steel used in casting it. Recently some companies have started promoting shot made of Bismuth which is heavier than iron and more closely approximates the shot patterns and throw that you could get with lead shot.
When people say "steel shot" they don't actually mean steel, it is actually iron shot, and definitely not stainless steel.
1581 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:07:24pm |
re: #1571 marjoriemoon
He
1. Didn't know what he was up against.
2. Didn't know what it was all about
3. Had so much to think about...
1582 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:07:24pm |
re: #1574 The Sanity Inspector
Respectfully disagree, for the same reason that I presume you would object to being required to sign a loyalty oath before registering to vote.
Understood & updinged. It's a kneejerk though that I get sometimes...
William
1583 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:08:17pm |
it's that time...what's shakin in Tennessee?
1584 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:08:40pm |
re: #1581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He
1. Didn't know what he was up against.
2. Didn't know what it was all about
3. Had so much to think about...
4. Was on coke.
1585 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:09:26pm |
I agree unreservedly that voters with 'skin in the game' are better voters. Being a veteran, owning property, literacy - good voters need all that to make altruistic and well-informed decisions. We should have restrictions of all kinds on the condition that they didn't get used to "gerrymander" the electorate...like it has every time, every place before.
I'm fine with 18 year olds voting because even though 9 out of 10 are pathetically ignorant, they don't bother voting, so no harm no foul.
1586 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:10:10pm |
1587 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:10:43pm |
re: #1585 keloyd
I agree unreservedly that voters with 'skin in the game' are better voters. Being a veteran, owning property, literacy - good voters need all that to make altruistic and well-informed decisions. We should have restrictions of all kinds on the condition that they didn't get used to "gerrymander" the electorate...like it has every time, every place before.
I'm fine with 18 year olds voting because even though 9 out of 10 are pathetically ignorant, they don't bother voting, so no harm no foul.
And I am fine with a person under the age of 21 with a military ID having a beer.
1588 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:11:00pm |
re: #1540 iceweasel
Chocolate: discuss.
I like it!
Food posts and music are usually something people can agree on...
You always hear that women really, really like chocolate, they sometimes prefer it over sex.
Now, I'm a normal guy, I'm 6', 220lb, intelligent (I think), fair looking, used to be in martial arts, have fired a gun or two, but I think I'm a pansy when it comes to chocolate. I'm addicted to the stuff. I eat a bar just about every day (part of why I'm 220lb).
Doctor, please tell me, is there something wrong with me. Is chocolate my attempt to release my inner woman? Should I try on my wife's undies? Or should I put chocolate in her undies?
Confused.
1589 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:11:04pm |
re: #1579 marjoriemoon
Unfortunately, I've seen the video.
I figured everyone has at this point. That's why I didn't bother digging it up.
1590 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:11:06pm |
re: #1585 keloyd
I agree unreservedly that voters with 'skin in the game' are better voters. Being a veteran, owning property, literacy - good voters need all that to make altruistic and well-informed decisions. We should have restrictions of all kinds on the condition that they didn't get used to "gerrymander" the electorate...like it has every time, every place before.
I'm fine with 18 year olds voting because even though 9 out of 10 are pathetically ignorant, they don't bother voting, so no harm no foul.
I voted when I was 18, but I was the one who was not ignorant.
1591 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:11:06pm |
re: #1586 Dark_Falcon
He was a big liquid crystal diode user.
1592 | WindHorse Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:11:10pm |
re: #1578 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I remember one party..... in a very old, large (3 or 4 story) typical old house where a bunch of college kids shared housing. Anyhow, there were probably a couple of hundred people in this house.... music blaring. There was a guy sitting on a radiator in the living room and there were so many people dancing there in the living room (wood floors, furniture removed) that the floor was deflecting to the beat and the poor guy on the radiator was bouncing around so much that every time he tried taking a drink out of his beer cup, it would spill all over him.
When we left that party a little later, there were about a half dozen youths that had climbed up on scaffolding that was situated on one side of the house (the owner was in the middle of getting his house sided in Aluminum siding). Anyway, the workmen had left there tools out and these guys were up there with hammers and screw drivers trashing the siding (putting holes in it.)
1593 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:11:58pm |
re: #1587 Cannadian Club Akbar
And I am fine with a person under the age of 21 with a military ID having a beer.
When I was under 21, Texas allowed that exception, but no one could make that fake ID. I loves me some Texas.
1594 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:12:05pm |
1596 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:13:02pm |
1597 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:13:05pm |
re: #1549 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've heard of you...
And here I thought it was all just a myth...
/
1598 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:13:22pm |
Weather Report's "This is This", with Steve Kahn taking the Carlos Santana part.
1599 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:13:23pm |
John Hiatt invented Sat nights...and for anybody that still doesn't know Sonny Landreth....
Ridin With the King....get some
1600 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:13:35pm |
1602 | jaunte Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:14:22pm |
re: #1596 Dark_Falcon
My apologies for the cheap acronympun play, I just can't resist.
1603 | Sheila Broflovski Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:14:24pm |
The weather was so beautiful on Friday, mid 70's, and now it's back to freezing.
1604 | What, me worry? Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:14:36pm |
re: #1581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He
1. Didn't know what he was up against.
2. Didn't know what it was all about
3. Had so much to think about...
lol Years ago, I think it was on Behind the Music, he whined and moaned about how he always wanted to be another Robert Plant, but instead he got stuck as this teen idol for a bunch of pre-pubescent little girls. Oh boo fucking hoo. All the fame and fortune he made from both the show and his records. Yeesh.
1605 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:14:49pm |
re: #1599 albusteve
John Hiatt invented Sat nights...and for anybody that still doesn't know Sonny Landreth...
Ridin With the King...get some
Got some already. But never hurts to have a little more
1606 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:14:52pm |
re: #1583 albusteve
You ever worry about that looming quake that's going to sink Memphis into the river? It could cause property damage in Middle TN.
1607 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:15:07pm |
re: #1585 keloyd
I agree unreservedly that voters with 'skin in the game' are better voters. Being a veteran, owning property, literacy - good voters need all that to make altruistic and well-informed decisions. We should have restrictions of all kinds on the condition that they didn't get used to "gerrymander" the electorate...like it has every time, every place before.
I'm fine with 18 year olds voting because even though 9 out of 10 are pathetically ignorant, they don't bother voting, so no harm no foul.
I understand your impluse here, but I can't agree. All citizens have 'skin in the game' ---by virtue of being citizens. Obviously we have to have some kind of restriction-- which we do, the age of 18.
You can't start creating other conditions without disenfranchising and disempowering huge segments of the population.
Not even all of us vote, as it is. Those concerned enough to vote shouldn't ever be disenfranchised, even if (ESPECIALLY IF, in a democracy) we don't agree with them.
1609 | Sheila Broflovski Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:15:55pm |
re: #1608 prairiefire
You have a beautiful new avatar.
That's Mookie, my 25th grandbaby. Isn't she a peach?
1611 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:16:35pm |
1612 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:16:49pm |
re: #1567 wlewisiii
Depends. There are a number of non-toxic lead substitutes out there in shotgun shells. Steel is the cheapest but can be hard on the barrels. Realistically, it's cheaper to buy than reload those rounds though.
Now, if you're talking about California & it's latest eco move against any lead in ammuntion, that's a whole different game.
William
I live in Sask, and there are some talking about getting rid of led shot because it gets into the food chain, but the gun shops around here sell nothing but lead.
I don't want it for shotgun shells, I have a different use for it, I want to use it in a sand blaster to get consistent size dimples on silver and copper.
1613 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:17:18pm |
re: #1609 Alouette
You have some pro-creatin' offspring, dontcha?
1614 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:17:58pm |
re: #1568 iceweasel
I thought you did a damn good job as it was, but I wanna see the blog post. Esp game theory, etc. Although I'm not up to that convo right now, I'm afraid. Too hyper w/J's flight and all!
I can imagine.
Is he coming to you or going away?
1615 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:18:01pm |
re: #1609 Alouette
That's Mookie, my 25th grandbaby. Isn't she a peach?
I don't know, looks kind of determined and irked at the same time in that photo. I'd watch out for that one, looks like trouble to me...
1617 | Kruk Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:18:07pm |
re: #1585 keloyd We should have restrictions of all kinds on the condition that they didn't get used to "gerrymander" the electorate...like it has every time, every place before.
That's the problem right there. I personally think given the even the tiniest crack in universal sufferage, people will find ways to lock out the 'wrong' voters. And once you're locked out, it's very hard to get it, as women and blacks found out in the last couple of centuries.
1618 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:18:13pm |
re: #1607 iceweasel
Aren't you moving to Nepal or something?
1619 | windsagio Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:18:18pm |
re: #1585 keloyd
I agree unreservedly that voters with 'skin in the game' are better voters. Being a veteran, owning property, literacy - good voters need all that to make altruistic and well-informed decisions. We should have restrictions of all kinds on the condition that they didn't get used to "gerrymander" the electorate...like it has every time, every place before.
I'm fine with 18 year olds voting because even though 9 out of 10 are pathetically ignorant, they don't bother voting, so no harm no foul.
I missed this, almost.
Wow@saying that in order to be a good voter you have to be a veteran, and even better, a property owner.
That's some serious elitist, military-fetish, grade-a bullshit right there.
Being a soldier doesn't make you a better voter any more than having money does. Also, 2 of 3 things you mention there were used in the past to disenfranchise blacks. Good job, or something!
1620 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:18:41pm |
re: #1613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You have some pro-creatin' offspring, dontcha?
Alouette is a blogging rabbit.
1621 | Sheila Broflovski Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:19:10pm |
1622 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:19:33pm |
re: #1612 b_sharp
I live in Sask, and there are some talking about getting rid of led shot because it gets into the food chain, but the gun shops around here sell nothing but lead.
I don't want it for shotgun shells, I have a different use for it, I want to use it in a sand blaster to get consistent size dimples on silver and copper.
I always wondered about the effect of the occasional leftover shot that ends up in quail or whatever by the time it hits your plate.
1623 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:19:35pm |
Antipode map. See what's on the other side of the world from your location.
1624 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:19:46pm |
re: #1606 Conservative Moonbat
You ever worry about that looming quake that's going to sink Memphis into the river? It could cause property damage in Middle TN.
I've been drunk in Memphis...so be it
1626 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:20:38pm |
re: #1577 The Sanity Inspector
I won't tolerate a cloud of sociological squid ink. This will be on the test!
Remember, if you have an idea but you can't express it, you don't really have an idea.
That, unfortunately for my colander mind, is quite true.
1627 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:20:43pm |
re: #1587 Cannadian Club Akbar
And I am fine with a person under the age of 21 with a military ID having a beer.
Damn, yes.
Two stories.
I'd been stationed in Germany for 18 months & was PCS'd to Ft. Riley (shudder). One week shy of my 21st birthday and so couldn't have a glass of red at a restaurant with my pasta (this was back when Kansas had 3.2 at 18, wine at 21 in restaurants & hard liquor at 21 in "private clubs". Sheesh)
My FIL was in the Navy in WWII and was stationed in Virginia due to having malaria as a teen - he wasn't allowed to go to the south pacific as he wanted as a result. Instead he was on anti-sub patrol in PT Boats. One evening he stopped into a bar, in uniform as his liberty required, and ordered a beer. He was 19 IIRC at the time. The barkeep served him a root-beer. He took it to the far end of the bar & began pouring it out along the bar as he walked towards the exit dropping the empty glass to break on the floor. No one stopped him.
William
1628 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:21:05pm |
1629 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:21:06pm |
1630 | Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:21:06pm |
re: #1625 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Me too. Out! Ice, see ya next time.
1631 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:21:15pm |
The Bottle Rockets -- Indianapolis
1632 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:21:32pm |
re: #1614 b_sharp
I can imagine.
Is he coming to you or going away?
He's coming here. We haven't seen each other since January. We were married in December, and I'm waiting for my spousal visa to the UK. He's coming over to wait with me until I get it, which should be soon, and then we should never be separated again; I'll go back to Scotland with him.
yay!
re: #1618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Aren't you moving to Nepal or something?
The Soros seekrit progressive lair has many locations. ;)
1633 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:22:15pm |
re: #1580 ausador
Just plain old iron shot (steel), and the softer the grade the better. Stainless steel shot would eat out the inside of your barrel, since it is harder than than the steel used in casting it. Recently some companies have started promoting shot made of Bismuth which is heavier than iron and more closely approximates the shot patterns and throw that you could get with lead shot.
When people say "steel shot" they don't actually mean steel, it is actually iron shot, and definitely not stainless steel.
Thanks for the info. I guess I'll have to rethink this.
1634 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:23:48pm |
re: #1612 b_sharp
I live in Sask, and there are some talking about getting rid of led shot because it gets into the food chain, but the gun shops around here sell nothing but lead.
I don't want it for shotgun shells, I have a different use for it, I want to use it in a sand blaster to get consistent size dimples on silver and copper.
Buy bismuth shot then, in the smaller sizes (bigger numbers due to historical accident) it should do what you're looking for.
William
1635 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:23:57pm |
1636 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:24:01pm |
1637 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:24:08pm |
re: #1624 albusteve
I've been drunk in Memphis...so be it
It's generally the best way to experience the city. I try to make the Beale St. Blues Festival every few years. That whole area is going to sink into the river sooner or later.
1638 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:25:51pm |
re: #1627 wlewisiii
I was in Mississippi. They let us drink beer because of New Orleans proximity.
Worked for me!! (BTW, I didn't drink then)
1639 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:27:04pm |
re: #1637 Conservative Moonbat
Beale St kicks ass. Been there a couple of time. Always got some great local talent going. Haven't been in a decade though. Hmmm.. summer weekend getaway?
1640 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:27:52pm |
I am return'd from Scotland charm'd with my expedition: it is of the Highlands I speak: the Lowlands are worth seeing once, but the Mountains are extatic, & ought to be visited in pilgrimage once a year. None but those monstrous creatures of God know how to join so much beauty with so much horror...Italy could hardly produce a nobler scene, or a finer season, and this is so sweetly contrasted with that perfection of nastiness, & total want of accommodation, that Scotland only can supply.
-- Thomas Gray, letter to William Mason, 8 November 1765
1641 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:27:52pm |
re: #1635 albusteve
do Graceland, then you can die happy
You probably don't much care for the guy but have you ever read the eulogy Steve Cohen gave for Warren Zevon? It includes a bit about Steve taking Warren to Graceland.
[Link: www.knoxviews.com...]
1642 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:28:21pm |
re: #1637 Conservative Moonbat
It's generally the best way to experience the city. I try to make the Beale St. Blues Festival every few years. That whole area is going to sink into the river sooner or later.
I hope I'm there for that event...that will be HUGE!
1645 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:31:35pm |
A Ride With Bob: The Bob Wills Musical. A promo video for the tribute show created by Asleep At The Wheel's Roy Benson
1646 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:31:43pm |
re: #1644 albusteve
dude, you got me all excited for some Cry Love, but that's Ridin' with the King. Nothing wrong with the latter, but you set it up for the former..
1647 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:32:08pm |
I love stand-up comedy. The guy on Comedy Central right now sucks. I hate bad comedy, which should be considered just talking.
1648 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:32:34pm |
re: #1634 wlewisiii
Buy bismuth shot then, in the smaller sizes (bigger numbers due to historical accident) it should do what you're looking for.
William
Are they fairly consistent in size? What is the size of the smallest?
Thanks for that, I'll give the gun shop a call on Monday and see what he has in stock.
1649 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:32:57pm |
re: #1641 Conservative Moonbat
You probably don't much care for the guy but have you ever read the eulogy Steve Cohen gave for Warren Zevon? It includes a bit about Steve taking Warren to Graceland.
[Link: www.knoxviews.com...]
whoa...some powerful stuff there....everybody should read that, thanks
1650 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:35:11pm |
re: #1646 cliffster
dude, you got me all excited for some Cry Love, but that's Ridin' with the King. Nothing wrong with the latter, but you set it up for the former..
I'm a Hiatt junkie...seen him many times with his various bands...his stuff is the very best out there, none better than Hiatt....copped my only hat tip here for a Hiatt post...and to think people never heard of him
1651 | keloyd Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:35:16pm |
Windsagio - read my post again. You're agreeing with me. I may not be the only one here about to go to sleep and not quite sober. I gave examples of 'skin in the game' helping a voter's judgment, but not requirements. I want to keep the rules right where they are because pols will abuse it otherwise.
re: #1607 iceweasel
I understand your impluse here, but I can't agree. All citizens have 'skin in the game' ---by virtue of being citizens. Obviously we have to have some kind of restriction-- which we do, the age of 18.
You can't start creating other conditions without disenfranchising and disempowering huge segments of the population.
Not even all of us vote, as it is. Those concerned enough to vote shouldn't ever be disenfranchised, even if (ESPECIALLY IF, in a democracy) we don't agree with them.
Ah, but there are degrees of skin in the game. Obama's last speech to some college kids got the loudest applause line, by far, with something about student loans. That's a penny ante thing compared to the bulk of issues in that specific speech. Their ecstasy at the idea of free money for them, paid by others, was unseemly. Some voters are more 'gimme gimme' oriented than others. OTOH, any way you try to fix that makes it worse.
Later Taters.
1652 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:36:03pm |
re: #1647 Cannadian Club Akbar
I love stand-up comedy. The guy on Comedy Central right now sucks. I hate bad comedy, which should be considered just talking out of one's ass.
moderately improved
1654 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:37:54pm |
re: #1650 albusteve
Hiatt is #1, no doubt. Ridiculous all the clowns that make it big in music, while this guy has made a life of slugging it out in the wings
1655 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:38:11pm |
re: #1652 Dark_Falcon
moderately improved
Redneck doing a song. Hmm. If you didn't suck you would be in Nashville.
1656 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:39:09pm |
anybody notice how leftbangers don't understand rock and roll or the blues?...they all seem to be into Amy Winebottle or some rage metal?...just an observation
1657 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:39:39pm |
re: #1648 b_sharp
Are they fairly consistent in size? What is the size of the smallest?
Thanks for that, I'll give the gun shop a call on Monday and see what he has in stock.
Heh. Short version is here: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] That page has a good chart that should allow you to decide what size will work for your application. Good luck with it!
William
1658 | austin_blue Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:39:59pm |
COLD in Austin today. 41 degrees, 25 MPH gusts. Still, big crowds at Auditorium Shores despite all the rain last night. Zoe Deschanel's duo, She & Him, is surprisingly good. Saw the Alejandro Escovedo show last night at Jo's.
Killer Bee!
And good evening. It appears the R's are saying that the Healthcare Reform process is unconstitutional.
Let's send it to the Supreme Court! Activist judges are evil!
1659 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:40:43pm |
re: #1632 iceweasel
OMG, a Scotsman.
My maternal grandfather was a Scot. Although he was born in Canada, both his parents were Scottish.
A few years before she died, my grandmother went over to Scotland to see if she could trace his family. She actually found his family had a shield and a tartan. She brought a sample of both back, but when she died, they disappeared so we have no idea what they looked like. My Aunt had a list of surnames in his lineage, but last I spoke to her she couldn't find it (of course I lost the email she sent to me a couple of years ago that contained the names.)
1660 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:40:48pm |
re: #1649 albusteve
whoa...some powerful stuff there...everybody should read that, thanks
He's been my favorite member of the TN congressional delegation ever since I read that. If he ever faced a serious primary challenge (a Democrat will always win that seat) I'd consider dropping everything I was doing and heading out there to volunteer.
1661 | austin_blue Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:40:59pm |
re: #1654 cliffster
Hiatt is #1, no doubt. Ridiculous all the clowns that make it big in music, while this guy has made a life of slugging it out in the wings
Well he *was* married to Roseanne Cash..
1662 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:41:12pm |
re: #1656 albusteve
anybody notice how leftbangers don't understand rock and roll or the blues?...they all seem to be into Amy Winebottle or some rage metal?...just an observation
Or Industrial. Chords, people. Learn 'em, love 'em, live 'em
1663 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:42:31pm |
re: #1654 cliffster
Hiatt is #1, no doubt. Ridiculous all the clowns that make it big in music, while this guy has made a life of slugging it out in the wings
well, Ive actually talked to him about that...but I'd be bragging I guess...he is very comfortable with his work, his money and his life...and you are exactly right about mediocre talent making tons of money, but it's always been that way...even so I resent it and mock that paradigm whenever I can
1664 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:42:50pm |
re: #1651 keloyd
Ah, but there are degrees of skin in the game.Their ecstasy at the idea of free money for them, paid by others, was unseemly.
Some voters are more 'gimme gimme' oriented than others.
1) There is no such thing as having 'degrees' of 'skin in the game'.
2) Student loans aren't 'free'.
3) Cheering at a line about student loans is not 'unseemly'. For 'unseemly', you have to look at teaparties and places where calls for revolution, or claims that some of our citizenry are less equal than others, get huge applause.
4) 'gimme gimme'? Let's see how this works: appluading student loans is being 'gimme gimme', objecting to HCR for those without insurance is....what, exactly?
It's "I got mine so fuck you Jack".
Sorry to respond when you've just left. Have a good night.
1665 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:42:51pm |
re: #1641 Conservative Moonbat
You probably don't much care for the guy but have you ever read the eulogy Steve Cohen gave for Warren Zevon? It includes a bit about Steve taking Warren to Graceland.
[Link: www.knoxviews.com...]
That was fantastic. Now I gotta read up on Steve Cohen. (Already love Warren Z.)
1667 | b_sharp Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:43:45pm |
re: #1657 wlewisiii
Heh. Short version is here: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] That page has a good chart that should allow you to decide what size will work for your application. Good luck with it!
William
Thank you very much William. I certainly appreciate the help.
1668 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:43:46pm |
re: #1656 albusteve
anybody notice how leftbangers don't understand rock and roll or the blues?...they all seem to be into Amy Winebottle or some rage metal?...just an observation
Eyebrow up. I think we're on the verge of a failure to communicate here. Define rock & blues. - I've probably got as much in my itunes directory as anyone here... ;)
And Amy Winehouse as well. A serious train wreck but I hope she'll give us one more great album before she kills herself.
William
1669 | austin_blue Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:44:01pm |
re: #1656 albusteve
anybody notice how leftbangers don't understand rock and roll or the blues?...they all seem to be into Amy Winebottle or some rage metal?...just an observation
Sorry dude, that's the younger crowd. Us old lefties will go toe to toe with you anytime.
1670 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:44:04pm |
1671 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:44:30pm |
re: #1660 Conservative Moonbat
He's been my favorite member of the TN congressional delegation ever since I read that. If he ever faced a serious primary challenge (a Democrat will always win that seat) I'd consider dropping everything I was doing and heading out there to volunteer.
really, I am impressed...a pol I can relate to?....am I near death?
1672 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:45:12pm |
re: #1659 b_sharp
OMG, a Scotsman.
My maternal grandfather was a Scot. Although he was born in Canada, both his parents were Scottish.
A few years before she died, my grandmother went over to Scotland to see if she could trace his family. She actually found his family had a shield and a tartan. She brought a sample of both back, but when she died, they disappeared so we have no idea what they looked like. My Aunt had a list of surnames in his lineage, but last I spoke to her she couldn't find it (of course I lost the email she sent to me a couple of years ago that contained the names.)
Is the email still in her Sent box? See if your local library has free access to ancestry.com, if you have to start over.
1673 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:45:38pm |
re: #1668 wlewisiii
Eyebrow up. I think we're on the verge of a failure to communicate here. Define rock & blues. - I've probably got as much in my itunes directory as anyone here... ;)
And Amy Winehouse as well. A serious train wreck but I hope she'll give us one more great album before she kills herself.
William
if you need R/R or the blues defined, you are automatically up for re-ed
1674 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:45:50pm |
re: #1656 albusteve
anybody notice how leftbangers don't understand rock and roll or the blues?...they all seem to be into Amy Winebottle or some rage metal?...just an observation
You better define "leftbanger" in a way that excludes me then.
Actually, in case you haven't noticed, most blusemen aren't white and aren't rich and most likely aren't right wing.
1675 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:46:00pm |
re: #1663 albusteve
Did you? How'd that happen? Call my phone on 3-way next time that conversation comes up.. I've got some questions of my own.
1676 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:46:52pm |
re: #1669 austin_blue
Sorry dude, that's the younger crowd. Us old lefties will go toe to toe with you anytime.
I'm surfin for a buzz that's all...I can count on you to figure Delbert from Kenny G
1677 | austin_blue Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:47:16pm |
re: #1671 albusteve
really, I am impressed...a pol I can relate to?...am I near death?
As a new grandfather? I certainly hope not! You need to have a long time to enjoy and cuddle that child.
1678 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:47:41pm |
re: #1673 albusteve
if you need R/R or the blues defined, you are automatically up for re-ed
I know what it is (More fun in the new world :) but do I know if you do :)
/ LOL
William
1679 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:48:24pm |
re: #1674 Conservative Moonbat
You better define "leftbanger" in a way that excludes me then.
[Video]Actually, in case you haven't noticed, most blusemen aren't white and aren't rich and most likely aren't right wing.
there are exceptions I guess...nice post
1680 | Velvet Elvis Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:48:28pm |
re: #1665 Stanley Sea
Here he is recently commemorating Alex Chilton on the floor of congress a couple days ago:
1681 | The Left Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:49:48pm |
re: #1640 The Sanity Inspector
I changed my ding on that after i saw some of the other shit you updinged tonight. Sorry.
1682 | Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:50:13pm |
re: #1680 Conservative Moonbat
Here he is recently commemorating Alex Chilton on the floor of congress a couple days ago:
[Video]
That was him! Really cool guy.
Hell, I'll go to work for him if he's primaried.
1683 | The Sanity Inspector Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:50:39pm |
Toodles. Watch out for the bad street poetry.
1684 | austin_blue Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:51:36pm |
re: #1676 albusteve
I'm surfin for a buzz that's all...I can count on you to figure Delbert from Kenny G
Thanks! Hard to believe that Delbert is almost 70 now. Doesn't play that much anymore here, but he is Austin royalty.
1686 | austin_blue Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:53:17pm |
1687 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:55:19pm |
re: #1686 austin_blue
Wow. I saw him play not that long ago. I never would have guessed near-70 by the number of early twentysomething girlies trying to climb up on stage with him, grab him, grope him, etc
1689 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:57:50pm |
re: #1675 cliffster
Did you? How'd that happen? Call my phone on 3-way next time that conversation comes up.. I've got some questions of my own.
well I'm a groupie...I get onto these tours and see several gigs in a row...and when you keep showing up, the sound guy, or manager, or security will let you get backstage....I've literally conned my way backstage with bullshit stories about catering problems or messages to deliver...the first time I met Hiatt was at the Ark in Ann Arbor years back....my buddy was show security so when everybody had to leave the place I just hung out and up walks Hiatt to the bar after signing a bunch of autographs...I bought him a beer and we just stood there and talked for about twenty minutes or more...a couple of others people were there but that was it...he was unwinding and relaxed...I met him at Norfolk a couple of years later under the same circumstances and he claimed to remember me!....from the Ark!....Hiatt is just a normal, country guy, concerned about his girls, his horses his family....he talked about music etc, but invariably most of the stars I've met are more interested in sports, home repairs and life away from recording and touring
1690 | austin_blue Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:59:03pm |
re: #1687 cliffster
Wow. I saw him play not that long ago. I never would have guessed near-70 by the number of early twentysomething girlies trying to climb up on stage with him, grab him, grope him, etc
He's very well preserved, especially for a musician (heh). Delbert's a treat.
I'm off upthread.
1691 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:59:12pm |
re: #1687 cliffster
Wow. I saw him play not that long ago. I never would have guessed near-70 by the number of early twentysomething girlies trying to climb up on stage with him, grab him, grope him, etc
If he looks and sounds good, the groupies don't pay much attention to age.
1692 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 9:59:23pm |
re: #1677 austin_blue
As a new grandfather? I certainly hope not! You need to have a long time to enjoy and cuddle that child.
I will in a few weeks...headed north for some baby/family time...put away my vices and tidy up for the folks back home...I'm juiced
1693 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 10:00:40pm |
re: #1678 wlewisiii
I know what it is (More fun in the new world :) but do I know if you do :)
/ LOL
William
I know you do...I AM the blues!....hahaha!...white boy blues!
1694 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 10:02:13pm |
re: #1684 austin_blue
Thanks! Hard to believe that Delbert is almost 70 now. Doesn't play that much anymore here, but he is Austin royalty.
yes he is, and he deserves it...one guy I would love to drink with
1695 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 10:03:08pm |
re: #1689 albusteve
Cool. He sure seems like The Songwriting Genius Next Door
1696 | cliffster Sat, Mar 20, 2010 10:04:10pm |
That's it for me. Peace and purpose to anyone left skimming this thread.
1697 | albusteve Sat, Mar 20, 2010 10:07:57pm |
re: #1695 cliffster
Cool. He sure seems like The Songwriting Genius Next Door
well he is...but he's gifted and he doesn't seem to make much of it...he is extremely appreciative that people cover his songs...there is a huge difference between how these people see themselves as opposed to how their fans see them...when you scream "Clapton is God!" or whatever, some musicians just gag...they know their limits...and Clapton in particular, for example, is very insecure about his playing...believe it or not
1698 | I Am Kreniigh! Sun, Mar 21, 2010 12:14:57am |
Holy God, I do not have time to read through seventy-seven undred messages in this thread (owing to the fact that I have a Darkspawn invasion to stop), but really...
This issue has a lot of room for reasonable people with good, valid arguments to come together and discuss their differences and work in good faith to come to some kind of agreement about how best to proceed.
Reasonable People. Valid Arguments. Everyone else, FUCK THE FUCK OFF PLEASE!!!!!
God. DAMN!
What does it take to clear the clowns off the stage? Jesus!
1699 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 21, 2010 1:13:13am |
Capecoddah, you should settle down because Ice rocks.
Also have some awesome gaming: [Link: adamatomic.com...] Canabalt rules!