1 | Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:58:17am |
It's the misplaced apostrophes of the teapocalypse.
2 | The Curmudgeon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:58:40am |
Not very skillful regarding the apostrophe, but otherwise, not all that big a deal.
4 | bratwurst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:59:38am |
And the countdown to "it's a plant!" begins...
5 | pingjockey Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:00:36am |
He must've been listening to his teenagers rap albums!
6 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:00:48am |
Oh, ugh.
re: #2 The Curmudgeon
Not very skillful regarding the apostrophe, but otherwise, not all that big a deal.
It isn't just the apostrophes, the "be pimpin'" usage is a clear clue who they're talking about, doncha think?
7 | King of the Douche, now you may bow Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:01:47am |
I wanna be a pimp, but I don't look good in silk.
/
8 | pingjockey Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:04:27am |
re: #6 reine.de.tout
I have a 16 yr old and an 18 yr old and when you hear them and their friends talking most of it is slang taken from rap and hip hop albums. BTW I live 150 miles from any major urban area where kids white, black, brown, purple polka dot talk like that!
9 | King of the Douche, now you may bow Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:06:53am |
re: #8 pingjockey
I have a 16 yr old and an 18 yr old and when you hear them and their friends talking most of it is slang taken from rap and hip hop albums. BTW I live 150 miles from any major urban area where kids white, black, brown, purple polka dot talk like that!
What you talkin' 'bout Willis?TM
10 | Fozzie Bear Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:07:29am |
I would bet fairly hefty sum that this guy wouldn't be using the phrase "be pimpin" in any other context than criticism of our (black) president.
Rather transparent racism imo.
12 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:17:43am |
Would it be seen as a sign of West Coast elitism if I went on a road trip following these guys around and offered a free Sign Grammar Clinic?
13 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:17:55am |
re: #7 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wanna be a pimp, but I don't look good in silk.
/
Walter does, though/
14 | pingjockey Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:18:55am |
re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist
Nah. But some folks would take affront that you want to help them with their spelling and grammar!
15 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:19:25am |
re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist
Would it be seen as a sign of West Coast elitism if I went on a road trip following these guys around and offered a free Sign Grammar Clinic?
yep. and i fully support it;)
17 | AntonSirius Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:19:36am |
Is that supposed to be a subtle ACORN reference?
Wait, what am I saying? Tea partiers don't do 'subtle'.
18 | pingjockey Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:20:46am |
re: #7 AntonSirius
From all the signs I've seen on the 'tubes and tv, subtle and nuanced are Right Out.
19 | cenotaphium Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:21:42am |
To be fair, I'm pretty sure people we're holding signs calling Bush out on riding dirty.
20 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:22:18am |
re: #16 Sigma_x
Pimpin' ain't easy... but it's necessary.
- Too Short
"I wanted to tax that ass like the government!"
-Big Daddy Kane
21 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:25:40am |
re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist
Would it be seen as a sign of West Coast elitism if I went on a road trip following these guys around and offered a free Sign Grammar Clinic?
Only if you bring your arugula with you.
Now, put "arugula" on a protest sign and I'll fall down in a faint.
22 | Ojoe Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:26:08am |
Well the congress, by ramping up the national debt by trillions of dollars, is effectively taking out mortgages on our kid's and grand kid's probable future prosperity.
So the sign holder may have a point.
I wouldn't use his exact words though.
23 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:27:39am |
You know it's hard out here for a pimp....
Speaking of pimps, on Wed Mitch McConnell tried to whitewash meeting with big bankers and supporting the Bank Reg. bill by whining about that "the community bankers in Kentucky, the little guys, the mainstreet guys, are overwhelmingly opposed to this bill."...anyone know what he was talking about and why community banks should not be regulated more too?
24 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:28:45am |
re: #8 pingjockey
I have a 16 yr old and an 18 yr old and when you hear them and their friends talking most of it is slang taken from rap and hip hop albums. BTW I live 150 miles from any major urban area where kids white, black, brown, purple polka dot talk like that!
"I'm hip."
"Can you dig it."
"Far out."
"Groovy"
and we weren't hippies either :) It's the music, man. And rock is dead (but that's another topic).
25 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:29:11am |
re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist
Would it be seen as a sign of West Coast elitism if I went on a road trip following these guys around and offered a free Sign Grammar Clinic?
Make sure you bring some burly friends and your big red marker.
Just look at what happened to the poor "I Love Ham" guy....
27 | pingjockey Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:29:41am |
re: #24 marjoriemoon
Never used groovy in my life! Those others...oh yeah!
29 | Ojoe Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:30:54am |
re: #27 pingjockey
It is hard not to use "cool."
***
I had a friend, who when asked what his "sign" was, would reply:
"I'm sorry, I don't speak granola."
31 | pharmmajor Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:32:24am |
We need English teachers at these events so they can go around correcting nonsensical phrases like these, and also handing out F's to everyone.
32 | PhillyPretzel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:33:03am |
I do not like it when bad grammar is used to attract attention. Oy vey.
33 | pingjockey Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:33:14am |
re: #29 Ojoe
That's good! My better half has all kinds of astrology, numerology books. I leave the mystical stuff up to her. She is from Wales, so I figure there's Druids in her family tree somewhere!
34 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:34:01am |
re: #29 Ojoe
It is hard not to use "cool."
***
I had a friend, who when asked what his "sign" was, would reply:
"I'm sorry, I don't speak granola."
Somebody once asked my son, "Who's your favorite teenage mutant ninja turtle?"
He said, "I don't speak Russian."
35 | pingjockey Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:34:47am |
re: #32 PhillyPretzel
Bad grammar can be used to make a point...Halp uz Jon Kary we iz stuk in Irak. But bad grammar, spelling out of not paying attention, yeah that bugs me too.
36 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:34:52am |
re: #31 pharmmajor
We need English teachers at these events so they can go around correcting nonsensical phrases like these, and also handing out F's to everyone.
Love it. We should send Cato to these events with a big red marker and a "Punctuation Police" t-shirt.
39 | Sigma_x Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:39:38am |
Little O/T but not really.
There's been some dustup over last week's episode of South Park where they made fun of Muhammad.
And so but some homegrown Islamo-douche has been calling for fellow psychos to hunt down Trey Parker and Matt Stone and kill them, even going so far as to post the address of their offices in LA on a facebook page.
But (and here's the funny part) he issued his little "fatwa" on Twitter. And so a few smart asses started following him, just to be stupid, I guess.
So he tweeted this tweet that said, "LOL at all the Kufar who have just decided to follow me. Have fun Hutharees."
And so my question is (aside from how does some wanna-bee tough guy terrorist expect to be taken seriously writing "LOL"?) is the word Hutharee some arabic insult, or is it in reference to that Hutaree militia in MI that was just busted. I'm confused.
40 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:39:54am |
re: #33 pingjockey
That's good! My better half has all kinds of astrology, numerology books. I leave the mystical stuff up to her. She is from Wales, so I figure there's Druids in her family tree somewhere!
In another incarnation, long, long ago, I was a card reader. Well, you name it, I'd read it. Cards, palms, tea leaves. Was pretty good, too, I must say! Had my own groupies and everything.
My grandmother's family is Hungarian. I always suspected we had some gypsy blood in there somewhere.
41 | Lidane Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:43:01am |
re: #31 pharmmajor
We need English teachers at these events so they can go around correcting nonsensical phrases like these, and also handing out F's to everyone.
I'm totally in favor of this. There should be a legion of teachers like the one from the Fairly Oddparents grading these signs:
Heh.
42 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:43:16am |
43 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:44:24am |
re: #39 Sigma_x
Little O/T but not really.
There's been some dustup over last week's episode of South Park where they made fun of Muhammad.
And so but some homegrown Islamo-douche has been calling for fellow psychos to hunt down Trey Parker and Matt Stone and kill them, even going so far as to post the address of their offices in LA on a facebook page.
But (and here's the funny part) he issued his little "fatwa" on Twitter. And so a few smart asses started following him, just to be stupid, I guess.
So he tweeted this tweet that said, "LOL at all the Kufar who have just decided to follow me. Have fun Hutharees."
And so my question is (aside from how does some wanna-bee tough guy terrorist expect to be taken seriously writing "LOL"?) is the word Hutharee some arabic insult, or is it in reference to that Hutaree militia in MI that was just busted. I'm confused.
Suspect the latter. I imagine 'Hutaree' is now the terrorist version of 'honky'.
44 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:46:47am |
re: #39 Sigma_x
Little O/T but not really.
There's been some dustup over last week's episode of South Park where they made fun of Muhammad.
And so but some homegrown Islamo-douche has been calling for fellow psychos to hunt down Trey Parker and Matt Stone and kill them, even going so far as to post the address of their offices in LA on a facebook page.
But (and here's the funny part) he issued his little "fatwa" on Twitter. And so a few smart asses started following him, just to be stupid, I guess.
So he tweeted this tweet that said, "LOL at all the Kufar who have just decided to follow me. Have fun Hutharees."
And so my question is (aside from how does some wanna-bee tough guy terrorist expect to be taken seriously writing "LOL"?) is the word Hutharee some arabic insult, or is it in reference to that Hutaree militia in MI that was just busted. I'm confused.
I agree with SFZ on that.
Was this a new Mohammed show? Or a repeat of the one they did a few years back.
Making fun of Mohammed is so 2005 anyway.
45 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:48:03am |
Wow. Zvonareva just went into a fantastic meltdown. Obliterated her racquet, then kicked it. Good for her. She's getting annihilated...
46 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:48:05am |
Political discourse relies on the ability to express one point of view, especially to those who do not already agree with it.
Part of it is a basic command of the language, but a lot of it is the ability and willingness to hear opposing points of view and accept the fact that the person holding it is not necessarily an evil extremist.
I find these abilities severely lacking in America of late, which I think is a major contributing factor to the decline of the level of debate and discourse in the country.
47 | Sigma_x Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:48:18am |
re: #44 marjoriemoon
I agree with SFZ on that.
Was this a new Mohammed show? Or a repeat of the one they did a few years back.
Making fun of Mohammed is so 2005 anyway.
No, it's a new one. And, yeah, it does seem a little dated. But it was still funny as fuck. They were making fun of celebrities who wanted to steal Muhammad's "super power" which is to be made fun of. It took the piss out of Tom Cruise more than Muhammad.
48 | Sigma_x Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:48:45am |
re: #47 Sigma_x
Sorry - his super power is that he CAN'T be made fun of.
49 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:49:41am |
re: #47 Sigma_x
No, it's a new one. And, yeah, it does seem a little dated. But it was still funny as fuck. They were making fun of celebrities who wanted to steal Muhammad's "super power" which is to be made fun of. It took the piss out of Tom Cruise more than Muhammad.
So they're are attacking Scientology as well? Just wait until L. Ron Habib turns his mind powers on them!
50 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:50:11am |
re: #44 marjoriemoon
I agree with SFZ on that. Was this a new Mohammed show? Or a repeat of the one they did a few years back. Making fun of Mohammed is so 2005 anyway.
They shouldn't be making fun of Mohammed, any more than things like "pissing on Allah's name" and mocking the Mormons (up and coming broadway musical by the South Park guys). We really should be trying to understand the different religious cultures, not trying to fight them all the time.
51 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:50:21am |
re: #47 Sigma_x
No, it's a new one. And, yeah, it does seem a little dated. But it was still funny as fuck. They were making fun of celebrities who wanted to steal Muhammad's "super power" which is to never [FTFY] be made fun of. It took the piss out of Tom Cruise more than Muhammad.
But I like the new Mecha-Streisand Godzilla monster.
52 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:50:34am |
re: #45 Aceofwhat?
Wow. Zvonareva just went into a fantastic meltdown. Obliterated her racquet, then kicked it. Good for her. She's getting annihilated...
What kind of racket was she into?
53 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:51:33am |
re: #52 Walter L. Newton
What kind of racket was she into?
A Penn. Not Sean, but he wouldn't have stood a chance either/
54 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:51:56am |
re: #47 Sigma_x
No, it's a new one. And, yeah, it does seem a little dated. But it was still funny as fuck. They were making fun of celebrities who wanted to steal Muhammad's "super power" which is to be made fun of. It took the piss out of Tom Cruise more than Muhammad.
hehe I do love a good Tom Cruise bashing.
I stopped watching Southpark. They started to insult me. I don't like the ethnic jokes anymore, particularly the way Cartman declares "Jew". I know it's supposed to be funny and it was once, but not my cup of tea anymore.
55 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:52:39am |
re: #51 Alouette
But I like the new Mecha-Streisand Godzilla monster.
That was funny. It's not funny anymore to me.
56 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:54:06am |
re: #55 marjoriemoon
That was funny. It's not funny anymore to me.
So don't watch it. I think it's funny.
57 | Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:55:30am |
O/T
Tamron has been unable to deliver a promised lens, and will be unable for a month. So in a slight change of plans I ordered one of the new Canon cameras, the 7D. Just got the plans for a home built steadycam rig that is reasonable easy to make.
Love to take that to a few protest rallies!
58 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:59:24am |
I suppose that explains how they have so much free time for protesting, but one also has to wonder why the pollsters thought they needed to look into this aspect in the first place.
Maybe, for some strange reason, they thought they would find a different result?//
59 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:59:45am |
re: #50 Walter L. Newton
They shouldn't be making fun of Mohammed, any more than things like "pissing on Allah's name" and mocking the Mormons (up and coming broadway musical by the South Park guys). We really should be trying to understand the different religious cultures, not trying to fight them all the time.
Well that's kind of their shtick. To piss off everyone. And there probably isn't a group of people they haven't targeted.
There's a fine line with ethnic humor. I'm wondering to do it effectively, you don't have to be a member of the group you're laughing at. Catholics make funny Catholic jokes. Jews, funny Jewish jokes. Blacks, Asians, etc. Otherwise it doesn't come across very well. Well that's not a hard and fast rule, but I certainly think it's more difficult to do "crossover" ethnic humor.
60 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:59:58am |
re: #55 marjoriemoon
I kinda ran into the same problem with the series as I did with the Simpsons: once it became a cultural institution, it grew a bit too self-conscious and lost its edge.
61 | Virginia Plain Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:01:08am |
re: #59 marjoriemoon
Well that's not a hard and fast rule, but I certainly think it's more difficult to do "crossover" ethnic humor.
Russell Peters does that well.
62 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:01:19am |
re: #59 marjoriemoon
Well that's kind of their shtick. To piss off everyone. And there probably isn't a group of people they haven't targeted.
There's a fine line with ethnic humor. I'm wondering to do it effectively, you don't have to be a member of the group you're laughing at. Catholics make funny Catholic jokes. Jews, funny Jewish jokes. Blacks, Asians, etc. Otherwise it doesn't come across very well. Well that's not a hard and fast rule, but I certainly think it's more difficult to do "crossover" ethnic humor.
"Life of Brian" is a classic, but just think how much funnier it would have been if Mel Brooks had made it instead of Monty Python.
63 | pharmmajor Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:01:36am |
re: #50 Walter L. Newton
They shouldn't be making fun of Mohammed, any more than things like "pissing on Allah's name" and mocking the Mormons (up and coming broadway musical by the South Park guys). We really should be trying to understand the different religious cultures, not trying to fight them all the time.
"You know what? A society where anyone can make jokes about anyone else and everyone laughs is a truly tolerant society. Political-correctness charged censorship only serves to engender resentment and distance between social groups."
- Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
64 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:03:10am |
65 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:03:11am |
re: #59 marjoriemoon
Some of the best Jewish joikes ever come from Jews. I think they even pioneered the study of "Hebonics", without which the following joke would be incomprehensible:
Four Jewish ladies meet to play Mah-Jongg.
First Jewish lady: Oy!
Second Jewish lady: Oy, veh is' mir!
Third Jewish lady: Oy, veh, gevalt!
Fourth Jewish lady: I thought we weren't going to talk about the children!
67 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:03:39am |
re: #62 Alouette
"Life of Brian" is a classic, but just think how much funnier it would have been if Mel Brooks had made it instead of Monty Python.
slanderous!
68 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:04:34am |
69 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:05:17am |
re: #50 Walter L. Newton
We really should be trying to understand the different religious cultures
Good luck with that.
How does one understand any number of utterly conflicting messages from who knows where; all at the same time?
70 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:08:07am |
There was a comic figure from German cinema, Vater Braun, who once said in a film that "Humor has something of the Divine in it: in order to be able to laugh at things, you have to stand above them".
71 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:10:23am |
re: #70 ralphieboy
There was a comic figure from German cinema, Vater Braun, who once said in a film that "Humor has something of the Divine in it: in order to be able to laugh at things, you have to stand above them".
Right... in order to laugh at someone, you need to believe you are better than them.
72 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:11:23am |
re: #68 ralphieboy
Just think if Mel Brooks had done "The Passion of Christ"!
It might be something like this.
73 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:11:42am |
Not at all, you just have to be able to put youself at a healthy distance.
74 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:16:54am |
re: #73 ralphieboy
Not at all, you just have to be able to put youself at a healthy distance.
I see... that's the PC version of humor... you're not laughing at them, you're just standing far enough away so that no one knows what you are laughing at.
Bullshit. Humor is all based on the travails of others. It's human nature to laugh at it. And no amount of your PC spinning will change that.
Go ahead and laugh, and be proud of it.
75 | bratwurst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:18:54am |
re: #74 Walter L. Newton
Bullshit. Humor is all based on the travails of others. It's human nature to laugh at it. And no amount of your PC spinning will change that.
So in your view there is no such thing as laughing with someone, only laughing at them?
76 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:19:18am |
re: #74 Walter L. Newton
I see... that's the PC version of humor... you're not laughing at them, you're just standing far enough away so that no one knows what you are laughing at.
Bullshit. Humor is all based on the travails of others. It's human nature to laugh at it. And no amount of your PC spinning will change that.
Go ahead and laugh, and be proud of it.
Yes, our laughter is often an expression of relief that the hammer fell on someone else's foot, not ours.
But one does have to have a bit of the divine spark to be able to laugh at oneself. And I believe that those who cannot are truly lacking in it
77 | cenotaphium Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:26:53am |
re: #74 Walter L. Newton
Bullshit. Humor is all based on the travails of others.
Bullshit. Not all humor is schadenfreude. Personally, I'm a sucker for puns and comedic juxtaposition. If you've seen Monty Python, you know what I'm talking about. Or try this image, which always tickles me.
Of all the silly things to grandstand about, just to make a cheap political point..
78 | Macha Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:27:07am |
re: #31 pharmmajor
These folks are proud of their ignorance. Shows they are good ole boys and girls. They got the bible and its all the education they want.
79 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:28:57am |
re: #78 Macha
These folks are proud of their ignorance. Shows they are good ole boys and girls. They got the bible and its all the education they want.
No, no, you've fallen behind on the buzz. Now they're better educated than the average American.
Which makes this inability to cope with apostrophes all the more worrisome.
80 | Macha Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:30:34am |
re: #40 marjoriemoon
In another incarnation, long, long ago, I was a card reader. Well, you name it, I'd read it. Cards, palms, tea leaves. Was pretty good, too, I must say! Had my own groupies and everything.
My grandmother's family is Hungarian. I always suspected we had some gypsy blood in there somewhere.
Can you still do it? I have a friend who reads Tarot cards. Her accuracy is uncanny. She works in a very specialized field of biology, but reads for fun in a shop on weekends.
81 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:31:08am |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
No, no, you've fallen behind on the buzz. Now they're better educated than the average American.
Which makes this inability to cope with apostrophes all the more worrisome.
Apostrophe's are elitist!!!
82 | Macha Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:32:16am |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh shoot. a day late and a dollar..... I missed that news. From the photos I've seen, I must need new glasses. Or maybe it is me that doesn't know how to spell. LOL
83 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:32:38am |
Maybe those websites that do special deals for people on Palin or Beck's books can start bundling them with "Eats, Shoots and Leaves".
84 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:33:02am |
re: #78 Macha
These folks are proud of their ignorance. Shows they are good ole boys and girls. They got the bible and its all the education they want.
totally. i mean, like, if we could just thin these Bibles out...we'd have this problem half-solved...
85 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:34:40am |
These teabaggers just need to make a left at logic street and direct all this righteous anger at Wall Street. Just watched a great episode of Bill Moyers Journal regarding these issues:
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
SIMON JOHNSON AND JAMES KWAK
How did Big Finance grow so powerful that its hijinks nearly brought down the global economy – and what hope is there for real reform with Washington politicians on Wall Street's payroll? Bill Moyers talks with authors Simon Johnson and James Kwak, two of the nation's most respected economic experts and authors of the new book 13 BANKERS: THE WALL STREET TAKEOVER AND THE NEXT FINANCIAL MELTDOWN.
86 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:35:20am |
re: #81 ralphieboy
Apostrophe's are elitist!!!
Something about that reminds me of Pol Pot's 'troops', who massacred people for wearing glasses, the logic being that if they could read, they were useless intellectuals corrupted by the West.
87 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:37:10am |
re: #86 ryannon
Something about that reminds me of Pol Pot's 'troops', who massacred people for wearing glasses, the logic being that if they could read, they were useless intellectuals corrupted by the West.
good call - i didn't remember that until you posted it. although i don't remember Pol Pot's folks having a lot of bibles, so now i'm confused on another front...Macha...help me out here-
88 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:42:38am |
The Khmer Rouge also classified by religion and ethnic group. They banned all religion and dispersed minority groups, forbidding them to speak their languages or to practice their customs. They especially targeted Buddhist monks, Muslims, Western-educated intellectuals, educated people in general, people who had contact with Western countries or with Vietnam, disabled people, and the ethnic Chinese, Laotians and Vietnamese. Some were put in the S-21 camp for interrogation involving torture in cases where a confession was useful to the government. Many others were summarily executed. Confessions forced at S-21 were extracted from prisoners through such methods as raising prisoners by their arms tied behind and dislocating shoulders, removing toenails with pliers, suffocating a prisoner repeatedly, and skinning a person while alive.[citation needed]
People were treated as opponents based on their appearance or background. Torture was widespread. In some instances, throats were slit as prisoners were tied to metal bed frames.
Thousands of politicians and bureaucrats accused of association with previous governments were executed. Phnom Penh was turned into a ghost city, while people in the countryside were dying of starvation or illnesses or simply killed.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
89 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:44:47am |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe those websites that do special deals for people on Palin or Beck's books can start bundling them with "Eats, Shoots and Leaves".
I just finished "Far from the Madding Gerund". Loved it-
bbiab
90 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:46:46am |
re: #85 Locker
These teabaggers just need to make a left at logic street and direct all this righteous anger at Wall Street. Just watched a great episode of Bill Moyers Journal regarding these issues:
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
It was a very good episode.
I always call BMJ as TV people should be watching, the ep of This American Life that was referenced was good too.
And no one should talk about Wall Street without watching the shoe Frontline did on Brooksley Born and her campaign against derivatives.
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
BTW, I just read (wish I could remember where) that Clinton has admitted he should have paid more attention and regrets not listening to her.
I would take the tea party folks just a bit more seriously if they were supporting more regulation of the banking industry and Wall Street, but that is not what I am seeing. All I see is everything Obama is bad because....
91 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:47:43am |
Virtually all Cambodians who had received even moderate levels of formal education prior to the revolution, such as civil servants and intellectuals, were eliminated in stages in a series of purges. Each successive purge called for the slaughter of those further down the hierarchy.[62] Among those specifically targeted were people who wore eyeglasses, which were symbols of reading and learning; Pol Pot perceived such individuals as threats because they were carriers of the ideas of the pre-revolutionary culture. As one Khmer Rouge leader said in 1975, "We have some people among us who still wear eyeglasses. And why do they use eyeglasses? Can't they see me? If I move to slap your face and you flinch, then you see well enough. People wear them to be handsome in the capitalist style. They wear them to be vain. We don't need people like that any more."[63] In time, educated people were virtually nonexistent in Cambodia.
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]
92 | Macha Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:50:39am |
re: #87 Aceofwhat?
Don't feel like playing with you today. See if you can get a rise out of someone else.
93 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:51:30am |
An awful lot of Tea party ideology and iconography seems to be deeply rooted in the old Presbyterian/Calvinist belief that personal wealth is an outward sign of inner grace: those who are rich got that way because God favors them for being morally superior.
That would make them hesitant to attack the banks and Wall Street, which they still somehow manage see as a "victim" of government overregulation and interference.
As long as Wall Street can sell this image (while still benefitting from a government bailout) they are enjoying the Best of Both Worlds.
94 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:53:01am |
Ace always gets a 'rise' out of me,
*wink, wink*
95 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:54:46am |
re: #93 ralphieboy
can anyone remember the name of the 'affordable housing thing' that people like to blame the collapse on? I was getting in an argument with my parents about it, but I can't remember the name of the program they blame to do research.
The meme in question is the "The Government made banks take out bad loans, thats why they did it"
96 | Macha Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:55:27am |
re: #88 ryannon
Selecting out enemies based on appearance reminds me of what a friend of mine told me. She was a child in WWII. Her father was Dutch, her mother Indonesian. When the Japanese invaded, they lined everyone in the town up. Blue eyes went to prison camp, brown eyes stayed in the village. She had brown eyes, as did her mother. Her father and 10 yo brother were sent to prison camp. They were used as prisoners on ships to deter the Americans from bombing them.
97 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:57:21am |
re: #95 windsagio
can anyone remember the name of the 'affordable housing thing' that people like to blame the collapse on? I was getting in an argument with my parents about it, but I can't remember the name of the program they blame to do research.
The meme in question is the "The Government made banks take out bad loans, thats why they did it"
It's called CRA, and it's not the cause of the financial meltdown. It was a contributing factor, but not the cause.
Just as the meltdown cannot be hung solely on capitalism, neither can it be solely hung on liberalism.
98 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:57:56am |
re: #95 windsagio
can anyone remember the name of the 'affordable housing thing' that people like to blame the collapse on? I was getting in an argument with my parents about it, but I can't remember the name of the program they blame to do research.
The meme in question is the "The Government made banks take out bad loans, thats why they did it"
I remember reading analyses pointing to that. I have no idea if it's a meme or a fact.
99 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:58:16am |
re: #78 Macha
These folks are proud of their ignorance. Shows they are good ole boys and girls. They got the bible and its all the education they want.
Interesting comment from someone who used "its", instead of the correct "it's".
100 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:58:38am |
re: #97 BigPapa
Oh yeah 'community reinvestment act'. Thanks. Gonna read up on it myself :p
101 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:59:24am |
re: #98 ryannon
A family friend who I fing really annoying, but who's a bigwig in WA is all about that. I desperately wanna shoot him down :p
/yay family politics! Also, Kemper Freeman can kiss my ass!
103 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:00:02pm |
re: #95 windsagio
can anyone remember the name of the 'affordable housing thing' that people like to blame the collapse on? I was getting in an argument with my parents about it, but I can't remember the name of the program they blame to do research.
The meme in question is the "The Government made banks take out bad loans, thats why they did it"
The Commnity Reinvestment Plan, I believe. But those loans were insured and backed by the government.
Which was not the case with all the other loans the banks started making in droves, those adjustable-rate mortgages they started handing out to anyone who could sign on the line, and then rebundle and securitize those loans, leading to billions in toxic assets...
Well, the government let them, which is almost the same, just like allowing abortions is the same as killing babies.
104 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:00:23pm |
re: #95 windsagio
The meme in question is the "The Government made banks take out bad loans, thats why they did it"
That's Tea Party logic; Them Libruls!
105 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:00:53pm |
re: #99 reine.de.tout
Interesting comment from someone who used "its", instead of the correct "it's".
HARDBALL!
106 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:01:54pm |
re: #101 windsagio
A family friend who I fing really annoying, but who's a bigwig in WA is all about that. I desperately wanna shoot him down :p
/yay family politics! Also, Kemper Freeman can kiss my ass!
As said above, a contributing factor, but certainly not the sole cause.
107 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:01:56pm |
re: #91 ryannon
Virtually all Cambodians who had received even moderate levels of formal education prior to the revolution, such as civil servants and intellectuals, were eliminated in stages in a series of purges. Each successive purge called for the slaughter of those further down the hierarchy.[62] Among those specifically targeted were people who wore eyeglasses, which were symbols of reading and learning; Pol Pot perceived such individuals as threats because they were carriers of the ideas of the pre-revolutionary culture. As one Khmer Rouge leader said in 1975, "We have some people among us who still wear eyeglasses. And why do they use eyeglasses? Can't they see me? If I move to slap your face and you flinch, then you see well enough. People wear them to be handsome in the capitalist style. They wear them to be vain. We don't need people like that any more."[63] In time, educated people were virtually nonexistent in Cambodia.
[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]
What would they have done to Noam chomsky?
108 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:02:23pm |
re: #103 ralphieboy
The Commnity Reinvestment Plan, I believe. But those loans were insured and backed by the government.
Which was not the case with all the other loans the banks started making in droves, those adjustable-rate mortgages they started handing out to anyone who could sign on the line, and then rebundle and securitize those loans, leading to billions in toxic assets...
...
Exactly what I was thinking.
The banks ran with whatever they could get.
109 | Henchman Ghazi-808 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:02:27pm |
I'm awaiting an apostrophe flounce. Would that be a new one?
110 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:02:40pm |
Sometimes apostrohes can be dangerous:
"He did not want to go off to become a priest and leave his little brothers behind."
vs.
"He did not want to go off to become a priest and leave his little brother's behind."
112 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:03:09pm |
113 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:03:30pm |
114 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:04:58pm |
re: #113 windsagio
but are happy to not take the blame >>
Off to google!!
Google well, my friend.
Find all sorts of links that will convince you to think more like me.
*laughing at my silly self here*
115 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:06:14pm |
re: #80 Macha
Can you still do it? I have a friend who reads Tarot cards. Her accuracy is uncanny. She works in a very specialized field of biology, but reads for fun in a shop on weekends.
Sorry... I was doing the Sunday Afternoon Moon Family Telephone Relay :)
I haven't for years. It's a practice like anything else, if you stop doing it, you lose some ability.
116 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:06:41pm |
117 | njdhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:07:01pm |
re: #95 windsagio
The meme in question is the "The Government made banks take out bad loans, thats why they did it"
The guidelines the banks use were written to make it easier for people with bad credit to get a mortgage to buy a new house or refinance. I remember 109% loans were available at one point. There were also No Doc loans available up to 90%. That was a crazy time. If I'm not mistaken Barney Frank & Chris Dodd were somehow responsible for the change in the loan guidelines.
118 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:07:22pm |
re: #99 reine.de.tout
Interesting comment from someone who used "its", instead of the correct "it's".
ZING!
119 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:08:51pm |
re: #89 Aceofwhat?
I just finished "Far from the Madding Gerund". Loved it-
bbiab
Is that by the same author?
120 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:09:29pm |
What shoule happen to all those who confuse their its and it's:
121 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:09:31pm |
122 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:10:25pm |
Man, theres something that came up last night that I wanna ask about, but I"m afraid of a tough reaction, if I bring it up will people gimme an 'out' if I need it? >>
Its wildly OT.
123 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:11:12pm |
re: #102 Macha
Mea Culpa. I still get those mixed up.
But others who make apostrophe mistakes are stupid.
Must be cool to be so cool.
124 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:11:17pm |
re: #122 windsagio
Man, theres something that came up last night that I wanna ask about, but I"m afraid of a tough reaction, if I bring it up will people gimme an 'out' if I need it? >>
Its wildly OT.
I'm all ears, can't wait.
125 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:11:36pm |
re: #122 windsagio
Man, theres something that came up last night that I wanna ask about, but I"m afraid of a tough reaction, if I bring it up will people gimme an 'out' if I need it? >>
Its wildly OT.
That's a hellofa an opener. You know you have to go for it now.
126 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:12:04pm |
re: #122 windsagio
Man, theres something that came up last night that I wanna ask about, but I"m afraid of a tough reaction, if I bring it up will people gimme an 'out' if I need it? >>
Its wildly OT.
Don't be such a pussy. Drink the beer! - Mr Garrison's Devil Conscience
127 | njdhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:12:11pm |
re: #118 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
ZING!
Hot sauce update:
Remember when I told you I sent a case & a half of my hot sauce to Afghanistan? I got my first email the other day. My hot sauce is now on the front lines of the war on terror. How cool is that?
128 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:12:15pm |
re: #125 marjoriemoon
haha well it involves you :p
But I'll ask then;
Do you really think Jerusalem is the Center of the Universe?
129 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:12:39pm |
re: #128 windsagio
haha well it involves you :p
But I'll ask then;
Do you really think Jerusalem is the Center of the Universe?
rofl
oy oy gevalt!
130 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:12:40pm |
re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
it is wildly illogical, it + aspostrophe s would seem to indicate the possessive, when it's not...
133 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:12:58pm |
re: #127 njdhockeyfan
Used as a weapon or a condiment?
134 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:13:48pm |
re: #127 njdhockeyfan
Hot sauce update:
Remember when I told you I sent a case & a half of my hot sauce to Afghanistan? I got my first email the other day. My hot sauce is now on the front lines of the war on terror. How cool is that?
As a veteran who is extremely familiar with eating MREs 3 times a day and only finding one tiny bottle of Tabasco in the Spaghetti selection I applaud and salute you. Nothing was need more or better at spicing up cold military rations. Good looking out.
135 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:13:53pm |
re: #128 windsagio
haha well it involves you :p
But I'll ask then;
Do you really think Jerusalem is the Center of the Universe?
The center of the Jewish universe, yes. Or did I leave that part out?
But also, if you think of the 2 other great religions, Christianity and Islam, they originate from Judaism, so in that regard, yes.
136 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:13:53pm |
re: #130 ralphieboy
it is wildly illogical, it + aspostrophe s would seem to indicate the possessive, when it's not...
It apostrophe s is also a contraction for "It is".
137 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:14:25pm |
re: #130 ralphieboy
I have actually considered giving up apostrophes once and for all. I screw them up all of the time. You'd think with four years of Grammar I, I would have picked up the basics.
138 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:14:41pm |
re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Don't worry Macha - it's all part of being a bit new. What's even worse is when no one ever responds to your posts.
139 | njdhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:14:49pm |
re: #133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Used as a weapon or a condiment?
Can be used as either. I want a picture of a jar of my hot sauce sitting next to a dead terrorist.
140 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:15:03pm |
re: #135 marjoriemoon
Fair enough, just wanted to make absolutely-freakin'-sure you didn't mean in the medieval sense, which was how I brought it up last night :D
141 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:15:45pm |
re: #139 njdhockeyfan
Can be used as either. I want a picture of a jar of my hot sauce sitting next to a dead terrorist.
Personally I was picturing a bunch of GIs sitting around full, happy and smiling with empty bottles of your sauce lying all over the place.
142 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:16:42pm |
re: #141 Locker
Personally I was picturing a bunch of GIs sitting around full, happy and smiling with empty bottles of your sauce lying all over the place.
Could they be sitting on dead terrorists?
143 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:17:07pm |
re: #128 windsagio
haha well it involves you :p
But I'll ask then;
Do you really think Jerusalem is the Center of the Universe?
No silly.
That would be the planet Oa, home of the Guardians of the Universe.
Jerusalem is a place of major importance.
146 | njdhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:17:54pm |
re: #141 Locker
Personally I was picturing a bunch of GIs sitting around full, happy and smiling with empty bottles of your sauce lying all over the place.
That would be great too. Here is the email I got on Friday:
Tried some of your hot sauce out here in Kandahar Afghanistan, and really enjoyed it. Has good flavor and keeps getting warmer, keep up the good work.
Matt
147 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:17:59pm |
re: #142 ralphieboy
Could they be sitting on dead terrorists?
I've known some hard core guys in the Military but no one I've ever met had an appetite around a dead body, terrorist or no...
148 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:18:00pm |
re: #127 njdhockeyfan
Hot sauce update:
Remember when I told you I sent a case & a half of my hot sauce to Afghanistan? I got my first email the other day. My hot sauce is now on the front lines of the war on terror. How cool is that?
Mazal tov! Is it being used as a condiment or a chemical weapon?
149 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:18:00pm |
re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have actually considered giving up apostrophes once and for all. I screw them up all of the time. You'd think with four years of Grammar I, I would have picked up the basics.
You could also just go into the sattv4u2 business, and just use a load of commas everywhere.
Once I got accustomed to satt, it didn't bother me anymore.
150 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:18:33pm |
re: #140 windsagio
Fair enough, just wanted to make absolutely-freakin'-sure you didn't mean in the medieval sense, which was how I brought it up last night :D
My love for Israel comes from being Jewish. That's true, but I think if I wasn't Jewish, I would still hold the same feelings about Israel, which we were talking about last night. Why I pointed out to you that completely and totally separate from religion, Israelis contribute a huge amount to how people live their lives all over the planet.
151 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:18:41pm |
re: #131 Racer X
I'm starting to like these Tea Party guys.
There's something kind of cute about them, I have to admit.
152 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:19:09pm |
re: #146 njdhockeyfan
What can I say... that's fantastic. If even one guy takes the time to sit down and write to you then you can be assured there 100s of others he speaks for but are too lazy to write it. Exceedingly cool.
153 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:19:33pm |
re: #150 marjoriemoon
I remember :D
I'm in too good a mood to tackle that right now, the 'center' thing just bugged me all night at work >>
*sad, I know*
154 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:20:22pm |
re: #149 reine.de.tout
You could also just go into the sattv4u2 business, and just use a load of commas everywhere.
Once I got accustomed to satt, it didn't bother me anymore.
I haven't really been following this punctuation wars thread very much but that made me laugh Reine. How you doing today? Youngster make it back ok from her little trip?
155 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:20:38pm |
re: #141 Locker
Personally I was picturing a bunch of GIs sitting around full, happy and smiling with empty bottles of your sauce lying all over the place.
I think that would make a better advertisement, certainly.
156 | njdhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:22:40pm |
re: #152 Locker
What can I say... that's fantastic. If even one guy takes the time to sit down and write to you then you can be assured there 100s of others he speaks for but are too lazy to write it. Exceedingly cool.
The Outlaws (the band), Phil Donahue, Marlo Thomas, and Roseanne Cash all have a jar and like it. That's pretty cool but what got me really excited was that email from the Air Force guy. I am still blown away by that email.
157 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:23:10pm |
158 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:24:05pm |
re: #150 marjoriemoon
My love for Israel comes from being Jewish. That's true, but I think if I wasn't Jewish, I would still hold the same feelings about Israel, which we were talking about last night. Why I pointed out to you that completely and totally separate from religion, Israelis contribute a huge amount to how people live their lives all over the planet.
Good post and it really made me think. Not only am I not Jewish but I'm not religious in any sense, Agnostic is the closest description. Personally, my feelings about Israel are similar to say... England. Currently an ally of my country, promoting and supporting a way of life similar to my own.
I don't believe in any sort of religious mandate or whatever so I don't really think that anyone, including Jews, have a divine right to anything. You take what you can, you hold it as long as you can and you try to propagate your way of doing things. They just happen to be on our side at the moment.
159 | njdhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:25:47pm |
Later lizards...time for more yard & garden work.
161 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:26:06pm |
re: #158 Locker
I disagree with a lot of Israeli policy on settlements, but I certainly support their right to exist as a state.
162 | Macha Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:26:09pm |
re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
But others who make apostrophe mistakes are stupid.
Must be cool to be so cool.
I see we are going to beat this horse to death. It wasn't a single apostrophe mistake to which I was referring, while making a similar mistake myself (perhaps that was karma jumping up to get me). It was the wealth of signs with spelling errors, which we have all seen in numerous photos, and the anti-education stances taken by many of the teabaggers, particularly those from the religious right, that I was targeting. It is a tough room.
Now, should I start watching to see how many LGF folks end their sentences with a preposition? I think not. That would be stupid.
163 | Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:26:24pm |
164 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:27:04pm |
re: #162 Macha
I see we are going to beat this horse to death. It wasn't a single apostrophe mistake to which I was referring, while making a similar mistake myself (perhaps that was karma jumping up to get me). It was the wealth of signs with spelling errors, which we have all seen in numerous photos, and the anti-education stances taken by many of the teabaggers, particularly those from the religious right, that I was targeting. It is a tough room.
Now, should I start watching to see how many LGF folks end their sentences with a preposition? I think not. That would be stupid.
That's where it's at!
166 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:28:23pm |
re: #160 Alkmyst
Yup, the Tea Parties are totally about racism, nothing more.
Somebody sounds defensive >>
167 | njdhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:29:07pm |
re: #160 Alkmyst
Yup, the Tea Parties are totally about racism, nothing more.
How fucked up is this?
ALBANY, N.Y. — They've been called Oreos, traitors and Uncle Toms, and are used to having to defend their values. Now black conservatives are really taking heat for their involvement in the mostly white tea party movement — and for having the audacity to oppose the policies of the nation's first black president.
"I've been told I hate myself. I've been called an Uncle Tom. I've been told I'm a spook at the door," said Timothy F. Johnson, chairman of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a group of black conservatives who support free market principles and limited government.
"Black Republicans find themselves always having to prove who they are. Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks," he said.
168 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:29:21pm |
169 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:29:27pm |
re: #160 Alkmyst
ALso; seriously, nice strawman. "Only" my ass.
172 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:29:58pm |
re: #153 windsagio
I remember :D
I'm in too good a mood to tackle that right now, the 'center' thing just bugged me all night at work >>
*sad, I know*
Sorry. Didn't mean to ruin your evening!
"Next year in Jerusalem." It's something we say at holidays and has many meanings, really. Here's an interesting article from a Jewish perspective, both religious and secular about that sentiment.
[Link: www.myjewishlearning.com...]
The end paragraph:
Every year, he writes, Jews drink four cups of wine and then pour a fifth for Elijah. "The cup is poured, but not yet drunk. Yet the cup of hope is poured every year. Passover is the night for reckless dreams; for visions about what a human being can be, what society can be, what people can be, what history may become. That is the significance of 'Le-shanah ha-ba-a b'Yerushalayim' (Next year in Jerusalem)."
173 | Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:30:20pm |
174 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:30:36pm |
re: #166 windsagio
Somebody sounds defensive >>
This is the old polemic hyperbole argument. There have been enough signs and utterances at demonstrations to prove that there are racists among the TP supporters, but this does not make them all racists.
Now let's try and get back to some discourse and not just a mutual shouting match. We've had enough of that lately.
175 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:30:47pm |
re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where's the preposition at?
I could never learn to diagram a sentence. I hated it.
177 | Macha Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:30:50pm |
re: #138 ryannon
Don't worry Macha - it's all part of being a bit new. What's even worse is when no one ever responds to your posts.
Is it kind of like being twelve and the kid that hits you does it cause he likes you?
178 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:31:03pm |
re: #158 Locker
You take what you can, you hold it as long as you can and you try to propagate your way of doing things. They just happen to be on our side at the moment.
I can take that angle as well. Israel exists as a spiritual entity for some people, but it also exists as a simple political nation-state.
179 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:31:14pm |
re: #163 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Well, that an Cosplay
180 | Linden Arden Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:31:27pm |
re: #117 njdhockeyfan
The guidelines the banks use were written to make it easier for people with bad credit to get a mortgage to buy a new house or refinance. I remember 109% loans were available at one point. There were also No Doc loans available up to 90%. That was a crazy time. If I'm not mistaken Barney Frank & Chris Dodd were somehow responsible for the change in the loan guidelines.
The Community Reinvestment Act prevented redlining - it never "forced" a bank to change their loan requirements or risk profile.
The major failures of the crisis (Bear, Lehman, Merrill) were never subject to the CRA anyway. They were investment banks and therefore not subject to regulations on loans.
Commercial banks are subsidized by the taxpayer via the Federal Reserve and must not discriminate based on geography - thus the CRA.
That said - old CRA areas did well in the meltdown. It was the suburbs that lost their ass (and mainly in 4 states where over 50% of foreclosures have occured).
181 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:31:55pm |
182 | Macha Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:32:27pm |
re: #134 Locker
As a veteran who is extremely familiar with eating MREs 3 times a day and only finding one tiny bottle of Tabasco in the Spaghetti selection I applaud and salute you. Nothing was need more or better at spicing up cold military rations. Good looking out.
I have a friend who is going to deploy soon. I'm going to keep that in mind when sending a box of goodies.
183 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:32:56pm |
re: #158 Locker
Good post and it really made me think. Not only am I not Jewish but I'm not religious in any sense, Agnostic is the closest description. Personally, my feelings about Israel are similar to say... England. Currently an ally of my country, promoting and supporting a way of life similar to my own.
I don't believe in any sort of religious mandate or whatever so I don't really think that anyone, including Jews, have a divine right to anything. You take what you can, you hold it as long as you can and you try to propagate your way of doing things. They just happen to be on our side at the moment.
Israel is the Jewish homeland and has been for some 3800 years so we have a different take on the whole matter. What can I tell you.
I also think people aren't aware of all the Israeli contributions. Maybe they would have different opinions if they knew.
184 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:33:05pm |
re: #177 Macha
You got ponytails we can dip in the inkwell?
185 | Jadespring Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:33:07pm |
Afternoon all.
I'm done for the day it seems. I just finishing loosening and digging about 1000 sq feet of soil. Took me a few hours.
Time for tea and the couch and most likely a nap.
186 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:33:29pm |
re: #177 Macha
Is it kind of like being twelve and the kid that hits you does it cause he likes you?
In FBV's case, I suspect it's pie-withdrawal symptoms.
187 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:33:38pm |
For those of you who don't know me, I am posting these not because not because I have a vested interest, as I do not live in the U.S.
I'm pointing them out because as examples go, the last few have really been sub-par and grasping
188 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:34:22pm |
re: #183 marjoriemoon
I think the problem is that the Israel issue is to entangled in matters of religion to discuss effectively (and that is in no way an attack, just makes it hard to come from very different points of reference :p)
It is occasionally fun for the aerobics aspect tho' ;)
190 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:35:11pm |
re: #162 Macha
I see we are going to beat this horse to death. It wasn't a single apostrophe mistake to which I was referring, while making a similar mistake myself (perhaps that was karma jumping up to get me). It was the wealth of signs with spelling errors, which we have all seen in numerous photos, and the anti-education stances taken by many of the teabaggers, particularly those from the religious right, that I was targeting. It is a tough room.
Now, should I start watching to see how many LGF folks end their sentences with a preposition? I think not. That would be stupid.
And I would get an F. I also like to start may sentences with conjunctions. You know what I spoke of?
:P :P
191 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:35:23pm |
re: #187 Alkmyst
For those of you who don't know me, I am posting these not because not because I have a vested interest, as I do not live in the U.S.
I'm pointing them out because as examples go, the last few have really been sub-par and grasping
You forgot to end your sentence with a period.
192 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:35:51pm |
re: #182 Macha
I have a friend who is going to deploy soon. I'm going to keep that in mind when sending a box of goodies.
That's cool of you to remember and support your friends. It's hard to describe the lift you get from a piece of mail or especially a package when you are deployed in the field for a long period of time. Hot sauce is great because it adds a lot and needs no preparation. Frank's and Tapatio were particularly popular. Any sort of prepared food that was different was also great. Canned fruit, sardines, spam, etc.
Thank you for supporting our soldiers.
193 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:36:02pm |
re: #187 Alkmyst
Your point of origin has nothing to do with the wrongness and even dishonesty of your post.
Its generally considered rude to misrepresent others' positions.
194 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:36:05pm |
re: #187 Alkmyst
For those of you who don't know me, I am posting these not because not because I have a vested interest, as I do not live in the U.S.
I'm pointing them out because as examples go, the last few have really been sub-par and grasping
Well, THANK you.
195 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:36:50pm |
Wow, SFZ is totally caught up with the thread for once :D
200 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:38:26pm |
re: #197 Stanley Sea
I live on Tapatio.
You and me both and it started in the Army. I have a big refiller bottle downstairs and a smaller bottle at work. Also have a bottle of Frank's for the wife.
201 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:39:01pm |
re: #196 Alkmyst
I ended it with the submit button
Something tells me you should have never started it.
202 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:39:29pm |
re: #198 Alkmyst
Misrepresenting the position of this blog really, by refuting the idea that 'the teaparty movement is all about race', which nobody on here has claimed.
203 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:40:12pm |
I think we can agree that if you're going to take the time and effort to communicate your views on a sign at a rally, any rally, you should probably get the spelling down correctly.
I've been posting on the computer since the BBS days of the 80's. I could care less about other people's grammatical errors online. It's very hard at LGF because this board moves so fast, it's easy to make errors.
204 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:40:20pm |
205 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:40:29pm |
re: #202 windsagio
I've heard it claimed here that it is mostly about race.
206 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:41:12pm |
re: #203 marjoriemoon
I don't even sweat it anymore. I can tough out people complaining about my 'netspeak :D
207 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:41:41pm |
re: #190 marjoriemoon
We had a real thrashing of language, dialects and usage in the previous thread.
I would like to assert that good English is English that is appropriate, not just English that corresponds to the way the British aristocracy spoke in the XIXth century.
But when our politicians are trying to bring across complex ideas in an international context, it is critical that they have a solid command of English. Politicians who cannot do this have no place in that setting.
208 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:41:49pm |
re: #202 windsagio
That seems to be the general thrust of the recent articles, at least what I see in the RSS from here.
209 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:41:55pm |
re: #198 Alkmyst
Misrepresenting who, exactly?
I would say that no one on this forum would say that the Tea Parties were 'about nothing but racism', even those of us who think they're pretty stupid, and think that there is a distinct racist element in the crowd.
Hence, striking back with a petty, OH, it's all about RACISM response is decidedly misrepresenting the argument.
Also, proving that there are some black Tea Partiers is not terribly relevent to the discussion. There are, this is true. It's also true that the movement is approximately 95% white. Neither of these facts sheds a whole lot of light on the motivation of those involved with the Tea Parties, although it does shed some light on who this whole concept appeals to.
210 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:42:00pm |
re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Question is "All".
And really? The theme on here seems to essentially to be that the organizers are largely racist, but the actual protesters, not nearly so much.
211 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:42:45pm |
212 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:42:55pm |
re: #205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've heard it claimed here that it is mostly about race.
I'd disagree with that proposition. I think it's mostly about round number 462 of the Culture Wars (TM).
213 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:43:37pm |
re: #211 windsagio
Goddamnit, I missed a linguistics argument?
Now I'm a sad camper.
Somebody was making fun of Bush's pronounciation of "newkular" and it kinda took off from that...
214 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:44:23pm |
re: #213 ralphieboy
We need more of those. The ebonics one (was it only last night?) was stellar.
215 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:45:03pm |
And you see, Alkmyst, this is the thing. We argue about such things here, and people have different opinions. Hence, coming out of the myst with a couple of articles that are supposed to BLAM out of the water the idea you've decided all the LGFers agree with, on a thread where no one's saying anything of the sort, is sort of silly.
216 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:45:13pm |
re: #214 windsagio
We need more of those. The ebonics one (was it only last night?) was stellar.
Sorry I missed that one. I grew up a white minority kid in Gary, Indiana. I am preetty well versed in Practical Ebonics.
217 | Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:45:28pm |
'Hizbullah a division of Syrian army'
Israel has warned Syrian President Bashar Assad that any missile attack against Israel by Hizbullah would result in retaliation against Syria, the Sunday Times reported on Sunday.
According to the UK paper, Israel’s missive – sent earlier in April – defined Hizbullah as a “division of the Syrian army,” a military branch of Damascus in Lebanon.
The warning was reportedly delivered to Damascus by a third party.
218 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:45:39pm |
re: #154 Locker
I haven't really been following this punctuation wars thread very much but that made me laugh Reine. How you doing today? Youngster make it back ok from her little trip?
Locker, yes, she's fine and dandy, OF COURSE.
She's doing well, therefore, I am too.
She got scheduled for her 1st semester next year, tested out of 20 hours (that's a full semester and then some! Will give her some room to "play" and take courses she finds interesting).
She's already starting the uh-oh, maybe that isn't what I want to major in game. I told her not to fret, she'll figure out during this next year, no need to worry about it now.
219 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:46:16pm |
re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist
You seem to assume I'm new here.
220 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:46:20pm |
re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd say comin' on too strong was a forgivable newbie mistake, but "Lol 2004", also a blog ranting about moonbats.
/yes I'm a mean person sometimes.
221 | Macha Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:46:28pm |
222 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:46:48pm |
re: #217 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Time to buy gold. We are looking at a scenario of Iran attacking Syria, Iran stepping in to defend Syria and the whole thing blowing sky-high...
223 | Macha Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:48:22pm |
It has been fun people. Gotta go, I'm burning daylight here and chores are calling.
BBl if possible tonight.
224 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:48:28pm |
re: #216 ralphieboy
It was a fun convo really, started when someone called Charles 'arguably racist' for using the term teabonics.
225 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:48:41pm |
re: #219 Alkmyst
You seem to assume I'm new here.
Let me guess...checks...YEP, class of 2004.
Actually, I don't care if you're new or not. You haven't been participating actively in the discussion taking place on the blog about the TPers, and then you decide to throw out a couple of articles (at least one posted before), and sit back all smug.
You got something to say, say it. What do you think about the Tea Parties?
226 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:48:55pm |
re: #218 reine.de.tout
Locker, yes, she's fine and dandy, OF COURSE.
She's doing well, therefore, I am too.
She got scheduled for her 1st semester next year, tested out of 20 hours (that's a full semester and then some! Will give her some room to "play" and take courses she finds interesting).She's already starting the uh-oh, maybe that isn't what I want to major in game. I told her not to fret, she'll figure out during this next year, no need to worry about it now.
Excellent advice and congratulations to her on testing results. Saves time and money but mostly it demonstrates a willingness to learn and prepare. I think she's going to do very well.
227 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:48:58pm |
re: #219 Alkmyst
You seem to assume I'm new here.
HAHA.. another one from the class of 2004!
You guys are legendary!
/Whats you got old timer? Flounce bitch!
LOL
228 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:49:12pm |
re: #177 Macha
Is it kind of like being twelve and the kid that hits you does it cause he likes you?
No.
More like you're here, you're us, and we will rib you.
And an ability to laugh at oneself will help you go a long way.
229 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:49:37pm |
re: #227 HoosierHoops
My favorite one is
Hows the ol' gout doin'?
Seriously, if they're not new no reason to be gentle >>
230 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:50:16pm |
re: #210 windsagio
It could very well be that, granted. I generally don't read through the comments anymore. Haven't had the time.
231 | bratwurst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:50:21pm |
Strictly about race? Definitely not.
Frequently attended by unvarnished racists and sometimes even organized by same? Absolutely.
232 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:51:14pm |
Random 80s music break!
(Nena has more and better songs than '99lufbaloons')
233 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:51:40pm |
re: #227 HoosierHoops
So would
HAHA.. another one from the class of 2004!
You guys are legendary!
/Whats you got old timer? Flounce bitch!
LOL
exemplify the "new guard" here at LGF? If so, then my time is much better spent elsewhere.
234 | Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:51:42pm |
re: #6 reine.de.tout
Oh, ugh.
It isn't just the apostrophes, the "be pimpin'" usage is a clear clue who they're talking about, doncha think?
Yes indeed. It's subtle racism. I entertain no doubt that if the President was white, the 'tea baggers' would just stay home, watch Fox news, and for the literate ones, make whiny blog posts.
235 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:51:47pm |
re: #224 windsagio
It was a fun convo really, started when someone called Charles 'arguably racist' for using the term teabonics.
A Jewish friend sent me a link to a site dedicated to Jewish English, known as "Hebonics"...
236 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:51:56pm |
re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist
And you see, Alkmyst, this is the thing. We argue about such things here, and people have different opinions. Hence, coming out of the myst with a couple of articles that are supposed to BLAM out of the water the idea you've decided all the LGFers agree with, on a thread where no one's saying anything of the sort, is sort of silly.
That mystical myst of the west. . . .
237 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:52:34pm |
re: #233 Alkmyst
So would
exemplify the "new guard" here at LGF? If so, then my time is much better spent elsewhere.
Vay's mir.
238 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:52:52pm |
re: #233 Alkmyst
So would
exemplify the "new guard" here at LGF? If so, then my time is much better spent elsewhere.
Is that all it took? Dang..Here grab a tissue on your way out...
239 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:52:53pm |
re: #234 eclectic infidel
Yes indeed. It's subtle racism. I entertain no doubt that if the President was white, the 'tea baggers' would just stay home, watch Fox news, and for the literate ones, make whiny blog posts.
Granted, he said "our politicians" and not just the Democrats.
240 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:53:09pm |
re: #231 bratwurst
Strictly about race? Definitely not.
Frequently attended by unvarnished racists and sometimes even organized by same? Absolutely.
I'm SO expecting you to find love on LGF with a person using the handle of Pierogi. You are cordially invited to the wedding of Bratwurst and Pierogi.
242 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:53:13pm |
So, if I'm to understand this properly, the leaders of the Tea Parties are racists, but the majority of the people who subscribe to the Tea Party ideology are not?
243 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:53:37pm |
re: #238 HoosierHoops
Also, I"m kinda offended that 2008 is the new guard. What do us real kids have to do for some street cred?
244 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:53:41pm |
re: #233 Alkmyst
So would
exemplify the "new guard" here at LGF? If so, then my time is much better spent elsewhere.
If your skin is that thin then maybe you are correct. Later man.
245 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:53:45pm |
No lie is too big for Breitbart's Big Government site....
Allee Bautsch’s Mother Speaks Out – Says Daughter Was Attacked by Leftist Political Protesters
246 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:53:50pm |
re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist
And you see, Alkmyst, this is the thing. We argue about such things here, and people have different opinions. Hence, coming out of the myst with a couple of articles that are supposed to BLAM out of the water the idea you've decided all the LGFers agree with, on a thread where no one's saying anything of the sort, is sort of silly.
Can you play Mysty for me, SFZ?
247 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:54:36pm |
re: #242 Alkmyst
So, if I'm to understand this properly, the leaders of the Tea Parties are racists, but the majority of the people who subscribe to the Tea Party ideology are not?
I seem to remember Charles posting a photo of a Tea Party organizer with his "Congress = master Taxpayer = niggar" poster.
That does kind of prove his point
248 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:55:20pm |
re: #242 Alkmyst
All of this is opinion of course >>
Many, but not all of the teaparty organizers are demonstrably racist.
With the followers, its impossible to tell, but varies greatly regionally. In no way are 'all of them' racist. In my opinion, many are tho'.
249 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:56:05pm |
GOD I wake up and turn on my tablet and oh look! RACIST BEARDO who can't spell, holding his art project, smiling back at me as if half his brain is missing
I already need a drink :D
250 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:56:14pm |
Greetings, lizards. Can't stay long, but I wanted to try to answer this one.
re: #39 Sigma_x
Little O/T but not really.
There's been some dustup over last week's episode of South Park where they made fun of Muhammad.
And so but some homegrown Islamo-douche has been calling for fellow psychos to hunt down Trey Parker and Matt Stone and kill them, even going so far as to post the address of their offices in LA on a facebook page.
But (and here's the funny part) he issued his little "fatwa" on Twitter. And so a few smart asses started following him, just to be stupid, I guess.
So he tweeted this tweet that said, "LOL at all the Kufar who have just decided to follow me. Have fun Hutharees."
And so my question is (aside from how does some wanna-bee tough guy terrorist expect to be taken seriously writing "LOL"?) is the word Hutharee some arabic insult, or is it in reference to that Hutaree militia in MI that was just busted. I'm confused.
He's probably referring to the Hutaree milita. AFAIK there's no Arabic insult that sounds like Hutharee, at least not that I've ever heard. I can read & write Arabic, though not fluently, so there could be such a word, bit I think I would have heard it by now if there was.
Like any other group, we (Muslims) have our share of armchair "warriors" who feel brave from behind the safety of their keyboards, not to mention the usual assortment of online bigots, ignoramuses, etc. We view them in much the same way as mainstream America views white supremacist groups, birthers, truthers, and other fringe types. I wouldn't let them get under your skin as I'm sure the feds have them tagged and keep a close eye on on anyone they feel might pose a real threat.
251 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:56:33pm |
re: #238 HoosierHoops
If you are going to be representative of what it's like here now, than my time is simply better spent elsewhere.
252 | bratwurst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:57:05pm |
re: #240 Locker
I'm SO expecting you to find love on LGF with a person using the handle of Pierogi. You are cordially invited to the wedding of Bratwurst and Pierogi.
From your keyboard to the cupid of Slavic love's ears!
253 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:57:10pm |
re: #249 WindUpBird
Hey WUB! Did you know that having a black protester proves that not all teabaggers are Racist?
I expect it to hit the MSM by tonight!
254 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:57:51pm |
re: #253 windsagio
Oh crap, nevermind. The MSM is controlled by the liberal cabal, and will never let that information out!
255 | reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:57:58pm |
re: #234 eclectic infidel
Yes indeed. It's subtle racism. I entertain no doubt that if the President was white, the 'tea baggers' would just stay home, watch Fox news, and for the literate ones, make whiny blog posts.
I don't think so....
His race means nothing to me ...
His past quoted statements and tho's of his closest friends
and pastor and who he has "Surrounded" himself with
Have been a great concern to me since he ran for the nomination.
I ,for one would stand against what he's doing if he was purple,white
or green!
256 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:58:03pm |
re: #242 Alkmyst
So, if I'm to understand this properly, the leaders of the Tea Parties are racists, but the majority of the people who subscribe to the Tea Party ideology are not?
There is a great deal of not so sublte racism on the right these days. Red comments on mainstream right wing blogs like Hot Air or Free Republic. The non-racist people on blogs or at Tea Parties don't seem terribly offended by the racists.
258 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:58:08pm |
re: #248 windsagio
All of this is opinion of course >>
Many, but not all of the teaparty organizers are demonstrably racist.
With the followers, its impossible to tell, but varies greatly regionally. In no way are 'all of them' racist. In my opinion, many are tho'.
They're not all racist, they just don't seem to mind the Klan in their midst as all, they just smile and accept it because hey! It's easier!
the tribalism and the hatred of a black democratic president just trumps any sort of moral awareness with these guys. Weak minds. Lack of will. it's not their fault, they just don't have the strength to turn back
259 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:58:50pm |
re: #245 Killgore Trout
No lie is too big for Breitbart's Big Government site...
Allee Bautsch’s Mother Speaks Out – Says Daughter Was Attacked by Leftist Political Protesters
If you go to the yahoo article that's linked, that is NOT of course, exactly what it says:
And Berning was emphatic that, while Bautsch and Brown believe they were attacked by members of the protest, they can't know what the attackers underlying beliefs were."You know, I don't want to label them or be too quick to judge," she said. "I don't want to try to define Republicans and Democrats here. I want to be an American first."
Although the possible political nature of the episode has drawn national media attention, Berning said the family "is not really concerned with the politics of the whole thing" at this point, adding that their main concern was the well-being of Bautsch and Brown and that the NOPD find the perpetrators of the attack.
On the way home from lunch Friday, I heard a local talk-show host talking about the NOPD, how they were "covering something up" and weren't "handling this case as they do" other cases. I actually started screaming at the radio (to the distress of the couple in the car next to me).
It's baloney.
260 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:58:51pm |
re: #251 Alkmyst
If you are going to be representative of what it's like here now, than my time is simply better spent elsewhere.
You're insulting Hoosier? The nicest dude on this blog?
Really?
262 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:59:26pm |
re: #248 windsagio
All of this is opinion of course >>
Many, but not all of the teaparty organizers are demonstrably racist.
With the followers, its impossible to tell, but varies greatly regionally. In no way are 'all of them' racist. In my opinion, many are tho'.
Pretty close to how I'm thinking about it.
See what googling did for you?
263 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:59:59pm |
re: #257 windsagio
Go or don't dude :p
Father's sending for him! Soon he will flounce back to the poolhouse :D
What's happenin? I need to find Behemoth, I bought a new record and he's the only other guy on this thing I can talk about it with!
264 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:00:08pm |
re: #259 reine.de.tout
On the way home from lunch Friday, I heard a local talk-show host talking about the NOPD, how they were "covering something up" and weren't "handling this case as they do" other cases.
When reality doesn't fit a conspiracy will suffice.
266 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:00:45pm |
re: #262 reine.de.tout
Man, I"m trying to find the Get Fuzzy where Bucky keeps insisting that Google is Rob's god.
I'm failing tho :(
267 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:01:05pm |
re: #259 reine.de.tout
On the way home from lunch Friday, I heard a local talk-show host talking about the NOPD, how they were "covering something up" and weren't "handling this case as they do" other cases. I actually started screaming at the radio (to the distress of the couple in the car next to me).
It's baloney.
Have you ever heard something so fucked up on the radio you just leaned on your horn? I've done that before :D
268 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:01:23pm |
re: #251 Alkmyst
If you are going to be representative of what it's like here now, than my time is simply better spent elsewhere.
So you're one of those jooish fellas?
269 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:01:28pm |
re: #250 CuriousLurker
Curious - I am really glad you are here @ LGF!
270 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:01:51pm |
re: #265 CuriousLurker
Hey, reine—got your email, thx! :)
Good!
Hope you can hang around a bit today, tho I'll be leaving.
Daughter wants me to go shopping with her.
Which really means there's something she wants and she wants me to pay for it.
271 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:01:58pm |
re: #268 ryannon
I think its an attempt to garnish support, however possible.
272 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:02:28pm |
re: #251 Alkmyst
If you are going to be representative of what it's like here now, than my time is simply better spent elsewhere.
You do realize all your 2004 classmates have flounced here right?
I barely teased you and you are ready to jump off the cliff..
I'm just having fun..Gawd help you if Ice logs in..We could have the best flounce ever...
273 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:03:21pm |
re: #271 windsagio
I think its an attempt to garnish support, however possible.
Well, any port in a storm.
274 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:03:21pm |
re: #269 Stanley Sea
Curious - I am really glad you are here @ LGF!
Thanks, Stanley. I'm glad to be here!
275 | charlz Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:03:55pm |
re: #271 windsagio
I think its an attempt to garnish support, however possible.
He'd relish that, eh?
276 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:03:58pm |
re: #271 windsagio
I think its an attempt to garnish support, however possible.
A defensive maneuver!
277 | Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:04:01pm |
re: #272 HoosierHoops
You do realize all your 2004 classmates have flounced here right?
I barely teased you and you are ready to jump off the cliff..
I'm just having fun..Gawd help you if Ice logs in..We could have the best flounce ever...
All those 2004 peeps are a bunch of assholes.
Shit, I registered then too.
278 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:04:19pm |
re: #273 ryannon
Apparently he really is a settler, like in that sense.
dunno if that's worth points or not.
ALSO: WUB, tell me about hte album, even if I don't get it I always like to hear you talk about music!
279 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:04:44pm |
re: #256 Killgore Trout
I still have both of those in my RSS, as I do LGF and many others. I don't often have time to scan thru the comments, so unless it's overt I probably wouldn't have picked up on it.
280 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:04:45pm |
re: #277 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
All those 2004 peeps are a bunch of assholes.
Shit, I registered then too.
We like you anyway!
281 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:04:55pm |
282 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:05:00pm |
re: #267 WindUpBird
Have you ever heard something so fucked up on the radio you just leaned on your horn? I've done that before :D
Here's the only time I was ever tempted:
At one time, I had a boss who looked like Jimmy Swaggart. They could have been twins. I worked for this guy at the time Swaggart was going through his first prostitute scandal, so Swaggart's face was all over the place in the news.
So one day we're driving to a meeting and stop at a red light, several lanes of traffic across, the boss, me and one other lady from our office. All of a sudden, my co-worker notices that everybody seems to be looking at us but trying to hide that they're looking at us, they're whispering to their own passengers who then look over at us - and it finally occurred to us, they thought HE WAS SWAGGART! And I guess the speculation was that we were his harem.
LOL.
283 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:05:17pm |
re: #270 reine.de.tout
Good!
Hope you can hang around a bit today, tho I'll be leaving.
Daughter wants me to go shopping with her.
Which really means there's something she wants and she wants me to pay for it.
I wish I could stay, but I have a ton of work to catch up on, so I have to get that done first. Have fun shopping!
284 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:05:31pm |
re: #269 Stanley Sea
Curious - I am really glad you are here @ LGF!
I am as well. A welcome addition to the mix.
William
285 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:05:33pm |
re: #278 windsagio
Apparently he really is a settler, like in that sense.
dunno if that's worth points or not.
ALSO: WUB, tell me about hte album, even if I don't get it I always like to hear you talk about music!
it's the new High on Fire album. It's sorta like if Motorhead played a lot of D&D :D
Just a screaming freight train of a record
286 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:05:50pm |
re: #248 windsagio
With the followers, its impossible to tell, but varies greatly regionally. In no way are 'all of them' racist. In my opinion, many are tho'.
287 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:05:59pm |
re: #268 ryannon
Nope, not at all, I'm a plant working for the Haaretz magazine as a spy.
/yeah that's sarc
288 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:06:23pm |
289 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:06:48pm |
re: #282 reine.de.tout
Here's the only time I was ever tempted:
At one time, I had a boss who looked like Jimmy Swaggart. They could have been twins. I worked for this guy at the time Swaggart was going through his first prostitute scandal, so Swaggart's face was all over the place in the news.
So one day we're driving to a meeting and stop at a red light, several lanes of traffic across, the boss, me and one other lady from our office. All of a sudden, my co-worker notices that everybody seems to be looking at us but trying to hide that they're looking at us, they're whispering to their own passengers who then look over at us - and it finally occurred to us, they thought HE WAS SWAGGART! And I guess the speculation was that we were his harem.
LOL.
aahahahah Oh nooo, that's hilarious. "It's him! The sinner!"
290 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:07:17pm |
re: #286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I would have personally responded with 'Islam is not a Race', but that's just me :)
291 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:07:19pm |
292 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:07:39pm |
re: #290 windsagio
I would have personally responded with 'Islam is not a Race', but that's just me :)
it's really more of a rally than a race
///
293 | reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:08:08pm |
re: #282 reine.de.tout
I would have thought..Smart man,hired female Lawyers!!
I mean really why else would women be riding with him if it were
Swaggart?
294 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:09:24pm |
re: #277 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
All those 2004 peeps are a bunch of assholes.
Shit, I registered then too.
LOL
Halftime of the Lakers Game...Winston is hiding in the bedroom wondering why I'm yelling at the TV...
We love ya K..Even if you did register in 2004...
295 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:10:46pm |
re: #278 windsagio
re: #273 ryannonApparently he really is a settler, like in that sense.
You are very much correct in that statement.
297 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:11:40pm |
re: #295 Alkmyst
I was just confirming that you weren't lying in respect to being in Israel. Of course it doesn't give you a bit more credibility.
In discussing things like the tea party, it actually gives you substantially less.
299 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:13:29pm |
Why I don't pick on the Koskidz much anymore.....
VIDEO--The Zionist Occupation of Palestine
A stupid diary for certain. Most Koskidz ignore it but there are comments like....
please, don't post this junk, here (6+ / 0-)Recommended by:
kestrel9000, richiedoc, fizziks, Blicero, gravlax, GatordietHonestly. It's bad enough that we have to deal with right-wingers accusing Obama of wanting to destroy Israel and rain death and destruction on the Jews. Please don't make us also deal with this 1970s-style overheated rhetoric nonsense from disgruntled liberals--who call Israelis "Zionist." "Vast spying operations?"
Just stop with this crap....
Hey, our old pal kestrel updinged that one.
300 | reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:13:34pm |
I'm going back outside to collect some Ultraviolet rays and a few vitamins while I'm at it!
It's far to nice to be indoors!
Life is gooood!
301 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:13:40pm |
302 | Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:14:16pm |
re: #239 ralphieboy
Granted, he said "our politicians" and not just the Democrats.
He's talking about Obama and those who advise him on policy. "Be Pimpin'" is a slur that wouldn't have been used on Biden, if Biden were President.
304 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:17:33pm |
re: #295 Alkmyst
You are very much correct in that statement.
Well come on in and tell us all about it. What's life like?
/no sarc intended.
305 | reloadingisnotahobby Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:17:35pm |
If Biden were President?....Thanks!
I just inhaled my gum....gag!
306 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:19:20pm |
re: #297 windsagioYou have a point there - I'm just calling it like I see it from the view from over here.
Last summer when I was in NY I spoke with a man named Michael Myers who basically told me that Obama is "a fraud" and that he will only cause black people more poverty.
Personally, my instinct is to support anyone who wants to oust Obama. There's a reason that he is viewed favorably by only 9% of Israelis, well alot of reasons actually, but none of them have to do with skin color.
308 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:21:32pm |
re: #306 Alkmyst
You have a point there - I'm just calling it like I see it from the view from over here.
Last summer when I was in NY I spoke with a man named Michael Myers who basically told me that Obama is "a fraud" and that he will only cause black people more poverty.
Personally, my instinct is to support anyone who wants to oust Obama. There's a reason that he is viewed favorably by only 9% of Israelis, well alot of reasons actually, but none of them have to do with skin color.
I'm curious. Why did he say he's a fraud?
309 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:22:38pm |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
Meanwhile on the front page of Hot Air....
Hospice America
Let’s not mince words: if thousands of Americans died in a chemical or biological attack, and Obama responded with talk of sanctions and censure, or blew up a couple of tents with cruise missiles, he would be dragged out of the White House by a howling mob. You know it, and so does he.
I see the ban on revolution/coup rhetoric didn't last long.
310 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:23:31pm |
Wow! An apostrophe three-fer. One wrong, one racist, and one missing.
Haven't seen it that bad since certain fucktards got the stick here and went to found their own blog.
311 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:23:34pm |
re: #304 ryannon
In what regard? We have Ehud Olmert, corrupt former PM being investigated and a hair's breadth away from prosecution, we have the former mayor of Jerusalem, Lupoliansky, as an accomplice, we have Anat Kamm, who while in the army stole over 2000 classified documents and passed them on to Uri Blau of Haaretz Daily after she couldn't sell them directly to our enemies...
313 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:25:44pm |
re: #306 Alkmyst
Poll: Obama struggling with Jews, but not on Israel
A new survey shows President Obama struggling with American Jews -- but not on Israel-related matters.
The American Jewish Committee poll of U.S. Jews found that Obama's approval rating is at 57 percent, with 38 percent disapproving. That's down from the stratospheric 79 percent approval rating among Jews that Obama enjoyed about a year ago, in May 2009. The AJC poll was conducted March 2-23 and surveyed 800 self-identifying Jewish respondents selected from a consumer mail panel.
He's doing ok with American Jews.
314 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:26:31pm |
re: #308 marjoriemoon
If memory serves, (and this is not to be considered any kind of legally binding statement to Mr Meyers) it was because Meyers considered Obama to not have any connection to the average black American, not having grown up with it.
315 | Randall Gross Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:26:47pm |
More on Palin's press phobia from Danielle Crittenden
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
316 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:27:22pm |
re: #313 Killgore Trout
Ok maybe, but from what I've read ~20% less than what he started out with.
317 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:27:37pm |
re: #313 Killgore Trout
Poll: Obama struggling with Jews, but not on Israel
He's doing ok with American Jews.
How do you read that? Looks to me he's down about 20% which seems significant.
318 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:27:58pm |
re: #316 Alkmyst
In line with the rest of the US.
The OMG Jews should hate Obama! meme really annoys me.
319 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:28:41pm |
320 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:30:09pm |
re: #318 windsagio
Annoys you? Do you have any idea how he's been treating Israel? Anti- semetic attacks have risen by something like 2x since since his Cairo speech. Every time he coddles another muslim nation, it emboldens them to attack us.
321 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:30:29pm |
re: #318 windsagio
Altho I should add, somebody (I think it was Cato) totally freakin' savaged the book about that a few weeks back.
Brutally.
322 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:31:06pm |
re: #311 Alkmyst
In what regard? We have Ehud Olmert, corrupt former PM being investigated and a hair's breadth away from prosecution, we have the former mayor of Jerusalem, Lupoliansky, as an accomplice, we have Anat Kamm, who while in the army stole over 2000 classified documents and passed them on to Uri Blau of Haaretz Daily after she couldn't sell them directly to our enemies...
Sounds messy and disheartening. And just about like everywhere else these days.
323 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:31:27pm |
re: #314 Alkmyst
If memory serves, (and this is not to be considered any kind of legally binding statement to Mr Meyers) it was because Meyers considered Obama to not have any connection to the average black American, not having grown up with it.
Gotcha. It's funny. Obama's upbringing is more like the people I know in South Florida, racially mixed homes. I have a lot of island friends and their families are all colors.
But Obama certainly wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Neither was Michelle. I'm not pressing you, but I'd be interested in Meyers' thoughts. Maybe he wrote about it somewhere?
324 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:31:29pm |
re: #316 Alkmyst
Ok maybe, but from what I've read ~20% less than what he started out with.
If you can't comprehend the achingly, blindingly obvious notion that Obama had artificially inflated approval ratings right after the election due to the historic nature of his election, then I really REAAALLY can't help you.
325 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:31:50pm |
re: #306 Alkmyst
You have a point there - I'm just calling it like I see it from the view from over here.
Last summer when I was in NY I spoke with a man named Michael Myers who basically told me that Obama is "a fraud" and that he will only cause black people more poverty.
Personally, my instinct is to support anyone who wants to oust Obama. There's a reason that he is viewed favorably by only 9% of Israelis, well alot of reasons actually, but none of them have to do with skin color.
Luckily it is my instinct to not support anyone who wants to oust the President.
Anytime the President annoys me I only have to thin President McCain and VP Palin and I'm back to being all hope and changey.
and I think the 9% poll was debunked or had issues....
(but I can't find the information to back that up so I'll just have to not say that for sure)
326 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:32:17pm |
re: #305 reloadingisnotahobby
If Biden were President?...Thanks!
Imagine the comedic possibilities.
Personally, I don't think they got anywhere near enough yuks out of the 'FDR on TV in 1929' gaffe.
327 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:32:36pm |
re: #314 Alkmyst
If memory serves, (and this is not to be considered any kind of legally binding statement to Mr Meyers) it was because Meyers considered Obama to not have any connection to the average black American, not having grown up with it.
Really? I don't know one Black man or woman in America that believes that shit...My impression is they are very proud of Obama...
You found the one black man in NY that thinks Obama is a fraud..Aren't you special?
/Sorry...Don't want to insult you..I have a very different view
328 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:32:39pm |
re: #323 marjoriemoon
The conversation I had was at a friend's house on Shabbat, so there was no recording of any kind going on :( You could always try googling him, though.
329 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:33:36pm |
re: #313 Killgore Trout
Poll: Obama struggling with Jews, but not on IsraelHe's doing ok with American Jews.
I am suspicious of any poll that claims to represent "American Jews." How do they know their sampling method is accurate?
330 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:34:26pm |
re: #320 Alkmyst
Annoys you? Do you have any idea how he's been treating Israel? Anti- semetic attacks have risen by something like 2x since since his Cairo speech. Every time he coddles another muslim nation, it emboldens them to attack us.
heard it all before dude, they're called talking points, I trade them like baseball cards
331 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:35:21pm |
re: #313 Killgore Trout
OT, had the most amazing dinner out last night.
It was this, but without the cream fraiche & no mustard.
A slightly healthier version.
[Link: www.seriouseats.com...]
332 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:35:31pm |
re: #322 ryannon
Sounds messy and disheartening. And just about like everywhere else these days.
But of course you've got the whole Middle East on your back, and that specificity is no trifling matter.
333 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:35:36pm |
re: #322 ryannon
Those are just the recent headlines :) Life is not so bad - I finally have gotten around to going back to school, and I haven't been called up to Reserve duty anytime lately, so it could be alot worse.
334 | Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:35:55pm |
re: #329 Alouette
The AJC poll was conducted March 2-23 and surveyed 800 self-identifying Jewish respondents selected from a consumer mail panel.
They don't really. But being an obscure poll, perhaps nobody significantly gamed it.
335 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:36:02pm |
re: #320 Alkmyst
Annoys you? Do you have any idea how he's been treating Israel? Anti- semetic [sic] attacks have risen by something like 2x since since his Cairo speech.
Link, please.
Every time he
coddlescuddles another muslim nation, it emboldens them to attack us.
FTFY.
Stop cuddling Yemen!
336 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:36:05pm |
re: #330 WindUpBird
Eeh, this guy's a real joker anyways, I'm just annoyed that I pulled him back from the edge of a flounce by accidently mentioning his priveldged status.
337 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:37:01pm |
re: #328 Alkmyst
The conversation I had was at a friend's house on Shabbat, so there was no recording of any kind going on :( You could always try googling him, though.
hehe I wasn't going to hold you to anything. I know there are Black people who don't like Obama and that's fine. He got, what 98% of the vote? So there are some 2 percenters running about I suppose.
338 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:37:30pm |
re: #329 Alouette
I am suspicious of any poll that claims to represent "American Jews." How do they know their sampling method is accurate?
That bothers me, too. The first thing I thought of was, "They never call me!"
340 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:38:14pm |
re: #338 marjoriemoon
That bothers me, too. The first thing I thought of was, "They never call me!"
I never get called for the Catholic polls, either.
341 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:38:56pm |
re: #306 Alkmyst
You have a point there - I'm just calling it like I see it from the view from over here.
Last summer when I was in NY I spoke with a man named Michael Myers who basically told me that Obama is "a fraud" and that he will only cause black people more poverty.
Personally, my instinct is to support anyone who wants to oust Obama. There's a reason that he is viewed favorably by only 9% of Israelis, well alot of reasons actually, but none of them have to do with skin color.
Well, there will be no chance of 'ousting' until 2012, so there is is.
342 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:38:57pm |
re: #324 WindUpBird
American Jews (from memory) tend to vote solidly Democrat by 80%, so those numbers wouldn't be the ones being inflated.
343 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:39:22pm |
re: #334 Rightwingconspirator
The AJC poll was conducted March 2-23 and surveyed 800 self-identifying Jewish respondents selected from a consumer mail panel.
They don't really. But being an obscure poll, perhaps nobody significantly gamed it.
They used names from a mailing list? Of what, subscribers to The Forward? That in itself would create a prejudiced sample.
My beef with all Jewish-American polls is that it is impossible to generate an accurate population sample with random phone calls (which is how most of these polls are generated)
344 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:39:44pm |
345 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:39:48pm |
346 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:39:52pm |
re: #342 Alkmyst
American Jews (from memory) tend to vote solidly Democrat by 80%, so those numbers wouldn't be the ones being inflated.
Do you live in the Holy Land?
348 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:40:12pm |
re: #329 Alouette
I am suspicious of any poll that claims to represent "American Jews." How do they know their sampling method is accurate?
The check for the absence of foreskins.
/sorry
349 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:40:49pm |
re: #324 WindUpBird
If you can't comprehend the achingly, blindingly obvious notion that Obama had artificially inflated approval ratings right after the election due to the historic nature of his election, then I really REAAALLY can't help you.
Aren't his poll numbers about where most Presidents spend their time baring an attack like 9/11 which made Bush's shoot up?
350 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:40:54pm |
re: #314 Alkmyst
If memory serves, (and this is not to be considered any kind of legally binding statement to Mr Meyers) it was because Meyers considered Obama to not have any connection to the average black American, not having grown up with it.
That could be true, but it hardly makes him a 'fraud'. No previous president has had much connection with the average black American either, except for a few who owned some average black Americans.
But we don't like to talk about that so much.
351 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:41:52pm |
re: #349 webevintage
Aren't his poll numbers about where most Presidents spend their time baring an attack like 9/11 which made Bush's shoot up?
yeah, pretty much.
And then people with a political axe to grind take the numbers and construct a fake narrative and then act fake concerned
352 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:42:01pm |
re: #320 Alkmyst
Annoys you? Do you have any idea how he's been treating Israel? Anti- semetic attacks have risen by something like 2x since since his Cairo speech. Every time he coddles another muslim nation, it emboldens them to attack us.
Anti-Semitics attacks where?
354 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:42:19pm |
re: #347 windsagio
That's all polls nowadays tho' >>
I was once called by a Gallup poll. They start out as a random telemarketing call, and if you stay on the line long enough (that is, you don't hang up as soon as some stranger says "How are you today?") and then agree to participate in their 30-minute questionnaire, you are part of a "random sample" of people who don't mind talking to telemarketers for 30 minutes at suppertime.
355 | Fozzie Bear Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:42:31pm |
re: #59 marjoriemoon
Well that's kind of their shtick. To piss off everyone. And there probably isn't a group of people they haven't targeted.
There's a fine line with ethnic humor. I'm wondering to do it effectively, you don't have to be a member of the group you're laughing at. Catholics make funny Catholic jokes. Jews, funny Jewish jokes. Blacks, Asians, etc. Otherwise it doesn't come across very well. Well that's not a hard and fast rule, but I certainly think it's more difficult to do "crossover" ethnic humor.
I think you either have to stick to making fun of your own, or make fun of absolutely everybody. It's instances where people mock one particular group (not their own) over and over that I find telling.
356 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:42:48pm |
re: #333 Alkmyst
Those are just the recent headlines :) Life is not so bad - I finally have gotten around to going back to school, and I haven't been called up to Reserve duty anytime lately, so it could be alot worse.
Well, hang in there. And try to understand that the life you're leading is as far-removed for many of us here as ours - meaning our politics - is for you. But perhaps I'm being presumptuous.
In any event, you've got a right to express your point of view here. It may not be met with a great deal of sympathy or comprehension, but that's the risk we all take....
357 | shiplord kirel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:43:06pm |
358 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:43:24pm |
359 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:43:39pm |
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
I probably shouldn't say this, but I'm gonna. From the few people I know over there, people like Alkmyst aren't popular anywhere.
Seem to be considered entitled troublemakers.
360 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:43:52pm |
re: #350 SanFranciscoZionist
That could be true, but it hardly makes him a 'fraud'. No previous president has had much connection with the average black American either, except for a few who owned some average black Americans.
But we don't like to talk about that so much.
That Michael Myers guy seems to be a nowhere dude, his organization doesn't get many hits. I mean, he did chase after Jamie Lee Curtis, but we can forgive that.
Might as well say 'Man, my cousin is like well, he knows a black guy and that black guy said that Obama is actually a reptile and that proves something I guess somewhere also yeah."
361 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:44:28pm |
re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, there will be no chance of 'ousting' until 2012, so there is is.
What? Are you CRAZY?
The Republicans are gonna take back the House AND the Senate and then they are gonna IMPEACH that muslimlovingnotborninAmericafunnysoundingnamesekretcommie and get a real American in office!!1111!!!!
/
362 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:44:31pm |
re: #360 WindUpBird
That Michael Myers guy seems to be a nowhere dude, his organization doesn't get many hits. I mean, he did chase after Jamie Lee Curtis, but we can forgive that.
But he was awesome in "Austin Powers" and "Shrek"
363 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:44:35pm |
Over on those sites with pictures of the Icelandic volcano, there's big arguments between the atheists and the soi-disant religious about whether or not God is behind it all.
If so, of course, then he also does earthquakes. And tsunamis. And floods. And building collapses. And tornadoes. And major pile-ups on the freeway. And wars.
What kind of God do these people believe in?
Never mind, I think we can tell.
364 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:45:12pm |
re: #349 webevintage
Aren't his poll numbers about where most Presidents spend their time baring an attack like 9/11 which made Bush's shoot up?
Bush, Lord love the man, demonstrated just about everything that could happen to one president's poll numbers, over the course of eight years.
365 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:45:14pm |
366 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:46:01pm |
re: #355 Fozzie Bear
I think you either have to stick to making fun of your own, or make fun of absolutely everybody. It's instances where people mock one particular group (not their own) over and over that I find telling.
I think you have to be a very empathetic person to pull it off well. To me, Mel Brooks is genius. It's sad to think that a movie like Blazing Saddles, a movie mocking racism and bigotry, could probably never be done again.
367 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:47:16pm |
re: #355 Fozzie Bear
I think you either have to stick to making fun of your own, or make fun of absolutely everybody. It's instances where people mock one particular group (not their own) over and over that I find telling.
I see, to pass the politically correct humor test we need to start keeping a scorecard on comedians, comic groups, TV shows that are humorous and so on to make sure that they are being humorous at the expenses of enough different concepts, people, ethnic groups and individuals and so on, otherwise we can brand them as racist, bigoted or xenophobic?
Sure.
368 | Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:47:32pm |
re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist
Would it be seen as a sign of West Coast elitism if I went on a road trip following these guys around and offered a free Sign Grammar Clinic?
Oh, totally. Plus if they discovered you're a Zionist, they could accuse you of being a ZOG agent and part of a conspiracy to quash free speech.
369 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:47:58pm |
re: #363 Cato the Elder
Over on those sites with pictures of the Icelandic volcano, there's big arguments between the atheists and the soi-disant religious about whether or not God is behind it all.
If so, of course, then he also does earthquakes. And tsunamis. And floods. And building collapses. And tornadoes. And major pile-ups on the freeway. And wars.
What kind of God do these people believe in?
Never mind, I think we can tell.
Of course God is behind it. But the systems he created work, and we cannot rely on special intervention when the plate tectonics and the volcanoes and the gravity all work.
370 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:48:49pm |
re: #360 WindUpBird
That Michael Myers guy seems to be a nowhere dude, his organization doesn't get many hits. I mean, he did chase after Jamie Lee Curtis, but we can forgive that.
Might as well say 'Man, my cousin is like well, he knows a black guy and that black guy said that Obama is actually a reptile and that proves something I guess somewhere also yeah."
I don't think that's fair. He got his J.D. at Rutgers so he's not an idiot. I'd be interested in his opinion, although I think I wouldn't agree with it.
371 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:48:51pm |
re: #361 webevintage
What? Are you CRAZY?
The Republicans are gonna take back the House AND the Senate and then they are gonna IMPEACH that muslimlovingnotborninAmericafunnysoundingnamesekre tcommie and get a real American in office!!1111!!!
/
You know what side a dude's bread is buttered when he uses lines like "oust" or "regime" or whatever in regards to Obama. As if he's fucking Saddam Hussein.
Always classy
372 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:49:09pm |
re: #363 Cato the Elder
Over on those sites with pictures of the Icelandic volcano, there's big arguments between the atheists and the soi-disant religious about whether or not God is behind it all.
Rush (who as always, was just joking) blamed it on Obama and the new Health Care Law....
Which begs the question why would God care? One would think that a supreme Deity had more important things to deal with.
374 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:50:30pm |
re: #370 marjoriemoon
I don't think that's fair. He got his J.D. at Rutgers so he's not an idiot. I'd be interested in his opinion, although I think I wouldn't agree with it.
well, what I'm saying is that using the guy as evidence that Obama doesn't understand or relate to black americans as if his organization is really super-influential, it doesn't wash.
At least that's the impression I got, that this guy's opinion was framed as being representative of black America, when it clearly isn't.
375 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:50:32pm |
re: #335 Cato the Elderworking on it - gotta free up some memory - firefox is taking up over half a gig and 57% of my cpu
376 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:50:45pm |
re: #363 Cato the Elder
Over on those sites with pictures of the Icelandic volcano, there's big arguments between the atheists and the soi-disant religious about whether or not God is behind it all.
If so, of course, then he also does earthquakes. And tsunamis. And floods. And building collapses. And tornadoes. And major pile-ups on the freeway. And wars.
What kind of God do these people believe in?
Never mind, I think we can tell.
You shouldn't have asked.
377 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:51:12pm |
re: #373 windsagio
Like Gays in New Orleans?
We are SO GOOD AT CALLING STORMS. Fuck your city, it's weathermancy time!
378 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:51:14pm |
re: #371 WindUpBird
You know what side a dude's bread is buttered when he uses lines like "oust" or "regime" or whatever in regards to Obama. As if he's fucking Saddam Hussein.
Always classy
ding ding ding
379 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:52:34pm |
re: #378 webevintage
ding ding ding
I never used that shit with Bush. I didn't like him, but I didn't fly a big flag of stupid and claim he wasn't a "real" president. It's just so uncivilized and stupid. It does an insult to America.
380 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:53:59pm |
382 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:54:30pm |
re: #367 Walter L. Newton
I see, to pass the politically correct humor test we need to start keeping a scorecard on comedians, comic groups, TV shows that are humorous and so on to make sure that they are being humorous at the expenses of enough different concepts, people, ethnic groups and individuals and so on, otherwise we can brand them as racist, bigoted or xenophobic?
Sure.
I wish I were a Jew..Those folks are the fucking funniest people on the face of this earth..do you have any idea how funny the stand up is going to be at Ceasars Palace in Heaven? Good Old Moses yelling, " Bring back that Steinfield guy..He was really funny"
/I hope to be the waiter in Heaven...Jesus..Would you like water or wine? or does it matter? Water? *wink* Right away Lord..
383 | What, me worry? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:54:51pm |
re: #374 WindUpBird
well, what I'm saying is that using the guy as evidence that Obama doesn't understand or relate to black americans as if his organization is really super-influential, it doesn't wash.
At least that's the impression I got, that this guy's opinion was framed as being representative of black America, when it clearly isn't.
No it's not. I didn't catch that Alk was saying that, but then I'm starting to get a fierce headache so I probably missed something. Actually, I need to log out a bit.
384 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:55:11pm |
The article does list it as TAU report saying it's because of Operation Cast Lead, but I think that's BS because there were operations in Gaza in other yeasr that hod no analagous effect worldwide.
385 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:55:56pm |
re: #380 webevintage
hahahahahaha
That made me click on this:[Video]Two Talking Cats.
Kittahs!!!
Every day I get thismuchcloser to just getting a damn kitty.
386 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:57:15pm |
re: #384 Alkmyst
The article does list it as TAU report saying it's because of Operation Cast Lead, but I think that's BS because there were operations in Gaza in other yeasr that hod no analagous effect worldwide.
I don't think it's BS, I think it's the sad reality. As for Obama being behind, it that's what I would call bullshit. Nonsensical, paranoid bullshit, to be precise.
387 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 1:59:15pm |
re: #385 Stanley Sea
Every day I get thismuchcloser to just getting a damn kitty.
This one is mine ^_^ Image: snapshot689.jpg
388 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:00:07pm |
This is cool: 8-Bit Dr. Horrible.
390 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:00:29pm |
re: #374 WindUpBird
I'm using him as an example of someone I have personally met and spent a few hours talking with, that grew up in Harlem, that at the time expressed dep concern about Obama's effect on the U.S. Nothing more, nothing less. I added the link for the photo as an identifier as to who the man is, not for the organization. From what I remember he was involved in a few different organizations.
391 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:01:44pm |
re: #385 Stanley Sea
Every day I get thismuchcloser to just getting a damn kitty.
Remember.
Cats on YouTube can be cuter then in real life.
In real life they can be bitter little bags of evil like Alley Cat who hates everyone but me...even the cats that are her own children.
She is evil and I know she is plotting the death of all the other animals in the house.
(I still love her bunches)
392 | Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:03:12pm |
Off for a bit. After yesterdays 40k game, both our kids wanted to play, so his son's space marines will be fighting my daughters' Orks. Carnage will ensue.
393 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:03:43pm |
394 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:04:22pm |
re: #386 Cato the Elder
wow, first off excuse my typos on that last.
As to whether or not he's doing it intentionally, I have no way of knowing. But there consistently seems to be a rise in attacks after he speaks with another muslim leader.
The fact is whether or not it's intentional, the arab muslim mentality sees any attempt at outreach as weakness, and they are emboldened to attack.
395 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:04:52pm |
re: #384 Alkmyst
The article does list it as TAU report saying it's because of Operation Cast Lead, but I think that's BS because there were operations in Gaza in other yeasr that hod no analagous effect worldwide.
They weren't as widely reported or as broadly exploited by anti-Israel groups.
396 | MJ Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:05:55pm |
re: #313 Killgore Trout
Poll: Obama struggling with Jews, but not on Israel
He's doing ok with American Jews.
He's falling fast:
Major Findings:
I. A plurality of Jewish voters would consider someone else for President.
According to the 2008 exit polls, Barack Obama won 78% to 21% among Jewish voters. Now, in the second year of Obama’s presidency, only 42% of voters would re-elect him, while the plurality (46%) would consider voting for someone else.
Would you vote to re-elect Barack Obama as President or would you consider voting for someone else?
Total
Re-Elect
42
Someone Else
46
Don’t Know/Refused
12
[Link: www.mclaughlinonline.com...]
397 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:06:44pm |
Before I leave for 4 hours of work... this is a repeat from this morning.
This is the view from my "office" when I'm working the self-checkout station at work...
398 | Kragar Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:07:21pm |
399 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:08:00pm |
re: #397 Walter L. Newton
Before I leave for 4 hours of work... this is a repeat from this morning.
This is the view from my "office" when I'm working the self-checkout station at work...
Tell those customers to put the damn cart back in the cart stall. Lazy asses - my pet peeve in parking lots.
400 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:08:23pm |
re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't quite follow your meaning there... are you saying that the attacks weren't as widely reported?
401 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:10:13pm |
re: #397 Walter L. Newton
Before I leave for 4 hours of work... this is a repeat from this morning.
This is the view from my "office" when I'm working the self-checkout station at work...
Do you work with any interesting people?
402 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:10:24pm |
re: #397 Walter L. Newton
Before I leave for 4 hours of work... this is a repeat from this morning.
This is the view from my "office" when I'm working the self-checkout station at work...
What are those green things and what are the white deposits on the ground? How come the ground is so lumpy?
403 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:10:25pm |
re: #399 Stanley Sea
Tell those customers to put the damn cart back in the cart stall. Lazy asses - my pet peeve in parking lots.
Doesn't it piss you off when Walter claims how hard it is living in the Mountains? In God's Country?
Bastard!
/Love ya Walter
404 | A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:11:41pm |
re: #385 Stanley Sea
Every day I get thismuchcloser to just getting a damn kitty.
Try it first with a stuffed kittah and if things go well you can upgrade to the living version. Maybe talk to the furniture first though.
405 | bratwurst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:13:08pm |
re: #396 MJ
Naturally, being willing to "consider" someone else 2.5 years before the election and actually pulling the lever for whomever ends up on the ballot opposing him are totally different animals. I strongly suspect that SoCon baggage could turn off at least as many people as a perceived more pro-Israel stance could turn on.
406 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:13:54pm |
re: #394 Alkmyst
wow, first off excuse my typos on that last.
As to whether or not he's doing it intentionally, I have no way of knowing. But there consistently seems to be a rise in attacks after he speaks with another muslim leader.
The fact is whether or not it's intentional, the arab muslim mentality sees any attempt at outreach as weakness, and they are emboldened to attack.
Oh, please. Of course he's doing it intentionally. That's what you're really driving at, isn't it?
Don't ever speak with any of them. Kill 'em all, in fact. That'll show the opposite of weakness. I'm sure they'd be quiescent when dead.
407 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:14:36pm |
re: #398 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I reply with Mario Gundam
See you with this bit of Divine Justice
408 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:17:16pm |
re: #399 Stanley Sea
Tell those customers to put the damn cart back in the cart stall. Lazy asses - my pet peeve in parking lots.
Ya push the damn thing all over the grocery store, fill it up, than push that full cart all the way out to your car, but somehow you can't push the empty bastard another TEN FUCKING FEET to the cart stall?!?!
When I had my old fishing boat of a car, I would just use the bumper to push the carts out of my way.
409 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:17:30pm |
Here's my evil cat:
Image: ?action=view¤t=alleycat.jpg
410 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:20:05pm |
re: #409 webevintage
Here's my evil cat:
Image: ?action=view¤t=alleycat.jpg
He must be one evil motha: he's got the gift of invisibility.
411 | Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:23:18pm |
re: #397 Walter L. Newton
Before I leave for 4 hours of work... this is a repeat from this morning.
This is the view from my "office" when I'm working the self-checkout station at work...
OMGWTFBBQ!!!!1 Is that there snow on teh ground?
412 | Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:23:37pm |
re: #409 webevintage
Even the evil need a nap now and then.
413 | MJ Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:24:19pm |
re: #405 bratwurst
Naturally, being willing to "consider" someone else 2.5 years before the election and actually pulling the lever for whomever ends up on the ballot opposing him are totally different animals. I strongly suspect that SoCon baggage could turn off at least as many people as a perceived more pro-Israel stance could turn on.
There is downward trend in the amount of support Obama is receiving among Jews. This was latest poll. If Obama's one-sided pressure on Israel continues along with his lack of a creditable policy in dealing with a Iran, I would think this his support among Jews will further erode.
However, though I can't speak for any Jew beside myself, there must be a an alternative to vote for. In 1980, Ronald Reagan was a alternative that many Jews could support. I don't know who among the current crop of Republicans could succeed as well as Reagan.
414 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:24:33pm |
re: #410 ryannon
He must be one evil motha: he's got the gift of invisibility.
hahaha
Ok, I'll try again:
Image: ?action=view¤t=alleycat.jpg
415 | Ojoe Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:24:55pm |
re: #397 Walter L. Newton
How do you load a photo like that onto LGF?
416 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:25:41pm |
re: #414 webevintage
hahaha
Ok, I'll try again:
Image: ?action=view¤t=alleycat.jpg
417 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:25:54pm |
re: #416 windsagio
oops forgot the text, I fixed it for you so it'd show :D
418 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:26:42pm |
419 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:26:59pm |
re: #406 Cato the Elder
Do I -think- he's doing it intentionally, yes. Do I know for sure, no.
I'm going by his treatment of Israel since his election. I had problems with his associations with people like Ayers, Farrakhan, and Wright since before the election. The fact that he initially distanced himself does not impress me - you don't spend 20 years listening to someone without it having an effect on you.
Since he's been in office he has snubbed Israel on many occaisions. The reaction to the announcement of construction in Ramat Shlomo during Biden's visit is one of them. Don't know if it was reported in the U.S., but the construction in Ramat Shlomo has been ongoing for many years, and anonuncementduring Biden's visit was an internal political push by a Kadima MK who wanted to make Netanyahu look bad.
420 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:30:00pm |
This is who we're dealing with.
They would rather destroy food that helps their own people than take anything from Jews.
421 | Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:30:17pm |
423 | Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:33:33pm |
re: #420 Alkmyst
This is who we're dealing with.
They would rather destroy food that helps their own people than take anything from Jews.
The real enemies of the Palestinians are the PA, Hamas, Hezbollah, and related thugs & creeps. All you hear about is the illegal blockage and siege of Gaza, but never the mention of the hundreds of thousands of tons of food and medical aid that pour into the strip via Israel. The media bias against Israel very much bothers me.
424 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:34:42pm |
re: #394 Alkmyst
The fact is whether or not it's intentional, the arab muslim mentality sees any attempt at outreach as weakness, and they are emboldened to attack.
Um, "arab muslim mentality"? Are you positing that Arab Muslims are one big homogeneous blob lacking any latitude of individuality in their thinking or actions?
425 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:35:29pm |
re: #417 windsagio
oops forgot the text, I fixed it for you so it'd show :D
Thanks - and it doesn't look much like an alley cat to me.
I need step by step instructions for loading an image.
426 | Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:35:43pm |
re: #421 eclectic infidel
Cute as can be.
Cat thread!
Well, if I share may as well...
427 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:36:07pm |
re: #400 Alkmyst
I don't quite follow your meaning there... are you saying that the attacks weren't as widely reported?
No, I mean that other IDF action in Gaza wasn't as widely reported.
428 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:36:42pm |
re: #419 Alkmyst
Do I -think- he's doing it intentionally, yes. Do I know for sure, no.
I'm going by his treatment of Israel since his election. I had problems with his associations with people like Ayers, Farrakhan, and Wright since before the election. The fact that he initially distanced himself does not impress me - you don't spend 20 years listening to someone without it having an effect on you.
Since he's been in office he has snubbed Israel on many occaisions. The reaction to the announcement of construction in Ramat Shlomo during Biden's visit is one of them. Don't know if it was reported in the U.S., but the construction in Ramat Shlomo has been ongoing for many years, and anonuncementduring Biden's visit was an internal political push by a Kadima MK who wanted to make Netanyahu look bad.
Farrakhan? That's a new one on me. What, did he buy a bean pie off one of those NOI street vendors once in 1993? Guess what, I've bought them in Baltimore. They're not that bad.
So nuts to that Kadima MK for the shit-stirring.
What you're saying is you think Obama goes and talks with Arab leaders (and by the way, since Cairo, how many direct contacts has he had - I don't know, but I can't recall that many outside the Saudi king, whom Bush blew on a regular basis) knowing that it will encourage anti-Semitic attacks worldwide?
Pshaw.
I'm one of the strongest defenders of Israel on this blog, as Dr. Cordell and various trolls can testify by their throbbing butthurt. But I also won't hesitate to call Obamanoia what it is - sad, paranoid and factitious.
429 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:39:15pm |
re: #425 Stanley Sea
:D
2 easy steps:
1) make sure its a link directly to hte image (that was webvintages mistake), none of that code mumbo-jumbo.
2) paste the image like a youtube video
OR
2) put the image in like a normal link,
3) go into the text and insert the bolded text where I have it:
a href="URL" rel="shadowbox" target="_blank"
The advantage of doing it the long way is you can make the text say whatever you want, like a normal link :D
430 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:41:55pm |
re: #422 windsagio
I'll use Ynet... as they reported about Elie Weisel, and his appeal to Obama to halt pressuring us.
As previously mentioned, Haaretz I will not. They are defending a reporter of theirs, Uri Blau, who is still out of the country facing questioning over the return of some 2000 classified documents obtained from Anat Kamm while she was in her army service.
431 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:42:10pm |
snip
Obama's Minister Honored Farrakhan
Monday, 14 Jan 2008 07:49 PM Article Font Size
By: Ronald Kessler
Barack Obama’s longtime minister, mentor, and sounding board has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan and last month honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement.
Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” He has described Jews as “bloodsuckers” who control the government, the media, and some black organizations.
432 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:42:40pm |
re: #429 windsagio
:D
2 easy steps:
1) make sure its a link directly to hte image (that was webvintages mistake), none of that code mumbo-jumbo.
2) paste the image like a youtube video
OR
2) put the image in like a normal link,
3) go into the text and insert the bolded text where I have it:
a href="URL" rel="shadowbox" target="_blank"
The advantage of doing it the long way is you can make the text say whatever you want, like a normal link :D
Thank you!
I'm freaking printing that out. Will try in awhile.
433 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:43:20pm |
re: #424 CuriousLurker
Um, "arab muslim mentality"? Are you positing that Arab Muslims are one big homogeneous blob lacking any latitude of individuality in their thinking or actions?
If you read their own news, it would appear that way. Clearly there are some that think differently, but they do not get treated very well if they speak up; also born out by their own news.
435 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:46:01pm |
Lakers win game one...
It's not they they have 2 7 footers..It's Kobe...I posted last night I thought his knees may be gone..They are not..In the 4th quarter Kobe rose and shot about 14 feet high...Good Lord If Kobe can do that there is no way the Lakers don't win the west..What a stud!
436 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:47:54pm |
re: #431 swamprat
snip
Obama's Minister Honored Farrakhan
Monday, 14 Jan 2008 07:49 PM Article Font Size
By: Ronald KesslerBarack Obama’s longtime minister, mentor, and sounding board has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan and last month honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement.
Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” He has described Jews as “bloodsuckers” who control the government, the media, and some black organizations.
Oh well...
437 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:48:50pm |
re: #435 HoosierHoops
He'd better earn that salary!
438 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:48:51pm |
re: #424 CuriousLurker
Um, "arab muslim mentality"? Are you positing that Arab Muslims are one big homogeneous blob lacking any latitude of individuality in their thinking or actions?
Why of course they are. Just as all athiests must act alike, all christians must act alike and so on. Didn't you get the memo? God sent it out last week to everybody so He didn't have to keep using a scorecard to keep all our factions straight ...
/ Why yes it's sarc.
William
439 | prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:49:16pm |
Such cute kitties! I'm glad I can enjoy them on LGF with out the sneezing and itchy skin they cause in the meat world.
18 years ago, after my 3rd sinus infection in 10 months, my Dr. said "I have a cure for your chronic infections!" He showed me his RX pad with the words "Get rid of you cats" written on it.
440 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:50:34pm |
Could this reporter have just come from a Tea Party demonstration?/
441 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:50:47pm |
442 | Linden Arden Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:51:24pm |
re: #396 MJ
He's falling fast:
Major Findings:
I. A plurality of Jewish voters would consider someone else for President.
[Link: www.mclaughlinonline.com...]
"someone else" = another Democrat.
With this Tea Party nuttiness rampant American Jews are not about to support a right-winger.
443 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:52:22pm |
re: #441 windsagio
Lol, Wright.
And a 2 year old article no less!
Giggle, giggle, that's so, like, yesterday!
444 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:52:51pm |
re: #434 windsagio
There are few news sources in English from Israel that I would consider legitimate. Haaretz has shown time and time again that they are more interested in demonizing religious Jews and "settlers" than they are in reporting fact. That they now are crying about freedom of the press and such impresses me not, since they were all for shutting down Arutz Sheva radio a few years ago, and are currently involved in trying to shut down a free newspaper called Israel HaYom (printed in Hebrew and distributed free) because it is supportive of Netanyahu.
445 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:53:05pm |
re: #441 windsagio
Lol, Wright.
And a 2 year old article no less!
don't get me wrong about Wright. I am not a fan, but I don't see any reason to bang my head on the desk about it.
446 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:53:16pm |
re: #443 Bagua
If you can't even stick with new talking points, why bother at all?
447 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:53:48pm |
re: #442 Linden Arden
"someone else" = another Democrat.
With this Tea Party nuttiness rampant American Jews are not about to support a right-winger.
we aren't?
448 | avanti Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:53:58pm |
re: #431 swamprat
snip
Obama's Minister Honored Farrakhan
Monday, 14 Jan 2008 07:49 PM Article Font Size
By: Ronald KesslerBarack Obama’s longtime minister, mentor, and sounding board has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan and last month honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement.
Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” He has described Jews as “bloodsuckers” who control the government, the media, and some black organizations.
2008, I remember it well, Wright was 24/7 on Fox, probably still hear about it in 2012 too.
449 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:54:19pm |
re: #440 Naso Tang
Could this reporter have just come from a Tea Party demonstration?/
I'd love to see a 'site' streak overhead.
Come on, it's a journalist. You expect better from them for some reason?
/
450 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:55:10pm |
re: #444 Alkmyst
I don't know haaretz from my own ass.
I can however parse alot from the way you talk about things showing what your criteria for a news organization are.
451 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:55:11pm |
re: #449 Van Helsing
I'd love to see a 'site' streak overhead.
Come on, it's a journalist. You expect better from them for some reason?
/
I guess they can't afford editors anymore.
452 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:55:21pm |
re: #446 windsagio
If you can't even stick with new talking points, why bother at all?
I'm fellin' ya. So what do the hip kids think about subject? What is their spin?
453 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:56:31pm |
re: #452 Bagua
The hep kids don't spend any time thining about it anymore, really.
Its only the old farts that get all worked up about it.
455 | Lidane Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:56:44pm |
re: #448 avanti
2008, I remember it well, Wright was 24/7 on Fox, probably still hear about it in 2012 too.
Wright, Ayers, ACORN...it's all going to be there in 2012. There will still be calls for the birth certificate, accusations of being a seekrit Muslin Nazi Communist and an Al Qaeda plant, and all the other nutbar conspiracies.
456 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:56:45pm |
re: #437 Floral Giraffe
He'd better earn that salary!
I loved the story last year in SI about Kobe..The writer was ridding in Kobe's yellow sportscar to the Staples Center and everybody on the freeway was hanging out the window waving to Kobe and he didn't notice anybody on the way to work...Completely focused on Ball in his 1/4 of a million dollar sports car....
458 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:57:11pm |
re: #452 Bagua
I'm fellin' ya. So what do the hip kids think about subject? What is their spin?
hip kids don't think, thats why there hip.
459 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:57:23pm |
re: #433 Naso Tang
re: #424 CuriousLurker
Um, "arab muslim mentality"? Are you positing that Arab Muslims are one big homogeneous blob lacking any latitude of individuality in their thinking or actions?
If you read their own news, it would appear that way. Clearly there are some that think differently, but they do not get treated very well if they speak up; also born out by their own news.
That's about the gist of it. From personal experience, there are arab muslims that when speaking one on one will express sentiments of desire to just live their life, but when in groups, even small ones, revert to general anti-Jew rhetoric. So0 it makes it really difficult for me to trust them.
460 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:57:49pm |
re: #456 HoosierHoops
I still remember with some distaste his crap with the second pro olympics team.
"I already got a gold medal."
/speaking of bringing up old stuff.
461 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:57:51pm |
re: #444 Alkmyst
There are few news sources in English from Israel that I would consider legitimate. Haaretz has shown time and time again that they are more interested in demonizing religious Jews and "settlers" than they are in reporting fact. That they now are crying about freedom of the press and such impresses me not, since they were all for shutting down Arutz Sheva radio a few years ago, and are currently involved in trying to shut down a free newspaper called Israel HaYom (printed in Hebrew and distributed free) because it is supportive of Netanyahu.
I get most of my Israel news from YNet. Haaretz is too far-left and Arutz 7 is too far-right, and Jerusalem Post format sucks.
462 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:59:18pm |
re: #433 Naso Tang
If you read their own news, it would appear that way. Clearly there are some that think differently, but they do not get treated very well if they speak up; also born out by their own news.
Regarding the news, perhaps so, but I wouldn't know as I don't have access to all Arabic news sources, nor do I read Arabic well enough to be able to understand them if I did. What I was taking issue with was the blanket statement. What if someone here said (in a negative context) "Israeli Jewish mentality" or "Asian Buddhist mentality" or "Irish Catholic mentality" or "Atheist mentality" or "African American mentailty" or... need I go on? FWIW, I would object just as strenuously to those characterizations as I would to the one I took issue with.
463 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 2:59:54pm |
464 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:00:22pm |
re: #462 CuriousLurker
Its pretty clear that the whole point is the bigotry.
465 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:01:05pm |
re: #453 windsagio
The hep kids don't spend any time thining about it anymore, really.
Its only the old farts that get all worked up about it.
I realise that, by why this need to "parse" us old farts when you don't fully understand the issues or even know one news source from another?
There are those of us who look at the media critically, like you do posters here, and we examine their biases and flaws.
466 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:01:37pm |
re: #446 windsagio
President orders hit on American citizen.
snip
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen, the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who is believed to have shifted from encouraging attacks on the United States to directly participating in them, intelligence and counterterrorism officials said Tuesday.
Mr. Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico and spent years in the United States as an imam...
467 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:01:42pm |
re: #463 ryannon
Yeah, things could always be worse...
not so much... but why discuss the obvious, it is what it is.
469 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:02:19pm |
re: #459 Alkmyst
From personal experience, there are arab muslims that when speaking one on one will express sentiments of desire to just live their life, but when in groups, even small ones, revert to general anti-Jew rhetoric. So0 it makes it really difficult for me to trust them.
And had that been what you'd actually said, i wouldn't have taken issue with it.
470 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:02:27pm |
471 | A Man for all Seasons Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:03:04pm |
re: #468 windsagio
lol@trying to pick a fight.
We don't call it picking a fight
We call it pulling a Walter
/
472 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:03:29pm |
473 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:04:14pm |
474 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:04:25pm |
re: #451 Naso Tang
I guess they can't afford editors anymore.
Or perhaps they still can and the editor is sub-optimal as well.
475 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:04:48pm |
re: #428 Cato the Elder
I know that you are a defender of Israel, I remember. However, I don't have Obamanoia. I simply don't trust him. Never have, and most likely never will.
I still have issues with Bush for not declaring Jerusalem as the site for the embassy, but that no longer relevant.
Regarding how the arab world in general is vis-a-vis Israel in regards to the relationship with Obama, either direct or perceived, I'll use this example.
476 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:05:06pm |
re: #466 swamprat
President orders hit on American citizen.
Have you been deep in the swamp where there's no internet for the past week?
This is old stuff.
477 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:05:59pm |
re: #452 Bagua
I'm fellin' ya. So what do the hip kids think about subject? What is their spin?
Wright is over. Farrakhan is irrelevent. Nu, what next?
478 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:06:12pm |
re: #426 Rightwingconspirator
Cute as can be.
Cat thread!
Well, if I share may as well...
Kitties!!!!
(Pepper the Gray Menance...funny, funny name)
So much better then arguing about how much Obama must hate Israel and obviously the only reason he became President is because Ayers and Wright told him too.
479 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:06:19pm |
re: #468 windsagio
lol@trying to pick a fight.
Not at all, just making an observation. You assume all interaction is hostile, as you have an us against the bastards mentality. I don't see the contest, it's just chat with a bunch of virtual friends.
I can snark back at you, which from you is constant. Any reply and it is termed "picking a fight," that is nonsense. Don't be so sensitive.
480 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:07:10pm |
481 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:07:13pm |
re: #451 Naso Tang
I guess they can't afford editors anymore.
No one will pay for editors anymore.
That's why I get my nit-pick kicks on LGF, the Route 66 of the internet.
482 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:07:15pm |
re: #459 Alkmyst
That's about the gist of it. From personal experience, there are arab muslims that when speaking one on one will express sentiments of desire to just live their life, but when in groups, even small ones, revert to general anti-Jew rhetoric. So0 it makes it really difficult for me to trust them.
I'm no social expert, but I lived many years in the Gulf states and the one feeling that could never be denied is that there is a mentality of "them versus infidels" which derives from more than tradition. It is taught.
Having said that, I was lucky enough to be there first time in the 70's. Then there was a genuine tradition of hospitality and tolerance. By the 90's that was mostly gone, collectively speaking.
483 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:07:15pm |
re: #394 Alkmyst
wow, first off excuse my typos on that last.
As to whether or not he's doing it intentionally, I have no way of knowing. But there consistently seems to be a rise in attacks after he speaks with another muslim leader.
The fact is whether or not it's intentional, the arab muslim mentality sees any attempt at outreach as weakness, and they are emboldened to attack.
God, whatever
484 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:07:54pm |
re: #466 swamprat
President orders hit on American citizen.
snip
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen, the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who is believed to have shifted from encouraging attacks on the United States to directly participating in them, intelligence and counterterrorism officials said Tuesday.
Mr. Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico and spent years in the United States as an imam...
OK, that's current. Your thoughts?
486 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:08:39pm |
re: #477 SanFranciscoZionist
Wright is over. Farrakhan is irrelevent. Nu, what next?
The man who considers them mentors is in the White House.
I still remember the radio interview Charles posted here in August 2008 where Obama expressed his views of the US Constitution.
Not pleased then, not pleased now.
487 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:08:56pm |
re: #475 Alkmyst
I know that you are a defender of Israel, I remember. However, I don't have Obamanoia. I simply don't trust him. Never have, and most likely never will.
I still have issues with Bush for not declaring Jerusalem as the site for the embassy, but that no longer relevant.
Regarding how the arab world in general is vis-a-vis Israel in regards to the relationship with Obama, either direct or perceived, I'll use this example.
I see two news articles.
What I don't see is a direct link, however tenuous.
488 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:08:58pm |
re: #448 avanti
Obdicut, wozzablog, and I were just talking about this last week.
Isn't that right , Obdicut?
489 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:09:20pm |
re: #477 SanFranciscoZionist
Wright is over. Farrakhan is irrelevent. Nu, what next?
Two years is not a long time in politics, issues around Bush, or Clinton or any present swirl about while they remain candidates. There is a midterm coming up and then another big one in 2012. We may be bored by certain issues but they did not disappear.
490 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:09:38pm |
re: #486 Van Helsing
The man who considers them mentors is in the White House.
I still remember the radio interview Charles posted here in August 2008 where Obama expressed his views of the US Constitution.
Not pleased then, not pleased now.
FARRAKHAN? You're what we like to call a lying curl of shit.
491 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:09:54pm |
re: #431 swamprat
snip
Obama's Minister Honored Farrakhan
Monday, 14 Jan 2008 07:49 PM Article Font Size
By: Ronald Kessler
Well there ya go.
Obama MUST be a super!sekert Muslim Jew Hater.
/
493 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:11:43pm |
re: #484 SanFranciscoZionist
Real change.
It offends both sides.
This is the kind of real trend-breaking I was hoping for.
Others may disagree, especially in light of the torture controversy.
494 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:11:44pm |
re: #486 Van Helsing
The man who considers them mentors is in the White House.
I still remember the radio interview Charles posted here in August 2008 where Obama expressed his views of the US Constitution.
Not pleased then, not pleased now.
Obama considers Farrakhan a mentor? Interesting.
Otherwise, I'm not interested in hearing the whining and the crying about Wright and Ayers any more. They both appear to be out of the picture, and Obama has a record of his own as president for us to worry about. Fuck Wright and Ayers, because Obama most certainly has, and let us move on.
495 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:11:48pm |
re: #486 Van Helsing
Obama does not consider Farrakhan a mentor. Why the hell do you believe something like that?
496 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:12:02pm |
re: #491 webevintage
Well there ya go.
Obama MUST be a super!sekert Muslim Jew Hater.
/
Of course. Because if person A honors person B, that has direct implications for person C, even if C has long since disavowed both B and A.
It's sorta like the political version of superstring theory.
497 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:12:23pm |
re: #490 WindUpBird
FARRAKHAN? You're what we like to call a lying curl of shit.
I'll amend that. He considers Wright a mentor.
My apologies.
498 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:12:26pm |
re: #495 Obdicut
Easier to think of him as "Other", if he's associated with black radicals?
499 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:12:35pm |
re: #487 Cato the Elder
What I said earlier is that when it is perceived that Obama is preferential to the arab cause, they are emboldened, and attacks occur with more frequency.
500 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:12:42pm |
re: #491 webevintage
Well there ya go.
Obama MUST be a super!sekert Muslim Jew Hater.
/
see, those black people they all think alike
can't allow them to be in power because FARRAKHAN they'll like paint the white house black or soemthing
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501 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:12:46pm |
re: #496 Cato the Elder
Of course. Because if person A honors person B, that has direct implications for person C, even if C has long since disavowed both B and A.
It's sorta like the political version of superstring theory.
Or Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon?
502 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:12:56pm |
re: #492 windsagio
So you want me to egg on a "fight" as you call it? No thanks.
503 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:13:01pm |
re: #488 swamprat
About what? The amount of 24/7 media attention the Wright stuff got?
Sorry, I'm a little distracted.
504 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:13:12pm |
re: #462 CuriousLurker
Regarding the news, perhaps so, but I wouldn't know as I don't have access to all Arabic news sources, nor do I read Arabic well enough to be able to understand them if I did. What I was taking issue with was the blanket statement. What if someone here said (in a negative context) "Israeli Jewish mentality" or "Asian Buddhist mentality" or "Irish Catholic mentality" or "Atheist mentality" or "African American mentailty" or... need I go on? FWIW, I would object just as strenuously to those characterizations as I would to the one I took issue with.
There can be unpleasant collective truths in all those examples you give and I could, to balance the equation, say some pretty unpleasant collective things about Israeli Jews who think they were given certain lands by a god, or certain sects of African Americans who wear their pants below their butts, presumably as an excuse to fondle their balls while they hold them up.
However, if hatred of Jews is racism, then there are no more racist groups than Arab Muslims, and that evidence long predates Israel.
505 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:13:12pm |
re: #489 Bagua
Two years is not a long time in politics, issues around Bush, or Clinton or any present swirl about while they remain candidates. There is a midterm coming up and then another big one in 2012. We may be bored by certain issues but they did not disappear.
This is a stupid issue. Let's find another one.
506 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:13:29pm |
re: #498 windsagio
Easier to think of him as "Other", if he's associated with black radicals?
and easier to call him a n-word in polite racist company. WELL, HE'S LIKE FARRAKHAN'S STUDENT!
507 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:13:53pm |
re: #480 windsagio
mmhmm, that's totally what you're doing.
Sorry man, I know your history :P
And I know your history Windsagio. You happily snipe away, as you were, and then bristle at the meanies when you get noticed. You maintain a steady stream of low level heckling, why can't you take a tiny bit in return?
Is any comment on your personal posting style off limits? That is weird considering the majority of your posting is observations about other posters and their motivations. Lighten up and enjoy.
508 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:14:16pm |
509 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:14:17pm |
510 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:14:21pm |
re: #497 Van Helsing
I'll amend that. He considers Wright a mentor.
My apologies.
He DID consider Wright a mentor.
At one time.
No more.
Past history.
Life moves on.
512 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:15:12pm |
re: #497 Van Helsing
I'll amend that. He considers Wright a mentor.
My apologies.
So you repeat a different lie?
Nice apology.
513 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:15:14pm |
re: #489 Bagua
Two years is not a long time in politics, issues around Bush, or Clinton or any present swirl about while they remain candidates. There is a midterm coming up and then another big one in 2012. We may be bored by certain
issuesginned up talking points but they did not disappear.
missed a spot
514 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:15:31pm |
re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist
At the risk of being yelled at incessantly, I saw a post a week or so ago from Pamela Geller with Excel sheets from the WH website detailing recent visits from both to the WH.
515 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:15:37pm |
re: #497 Van Helsing
I'll amend that. He considers Wright a mentor.
My apologies.
put the sheet back on, David Duke
516 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:15:56pm |
re: #497 Van Helsing
I'll amend that. He
considersconsidered Wright a mentor.My apologies.
Further amended.
Obama's all grown up now and doesn't need mentors so much anymore.
517 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:15:56pm |
re: #495 Obdicut
Obama does not consider Farrakhan a mentor. Why the hell do you believe something like that?
Because it fits the pigeonhole Obama is supposed to go into.
518 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:16:00pm |
re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist
This is a stupid issue. Let's find another one.
I agreed, by the way, but it is not irrelevant to everyone, it is a bit of recent history. If someone wants to make a brief mention and cite a two year article, no problem, we are free to comment or ignore it.
519 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:16:51pm |
re: #514 Alkmyst
At the risk of being yelled at incessantly, I saw a post a week or so ago from Pamela Geller with Excel sheets from the WH website detailing recent visits from both to the WH.
Hahahaha
520 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:16:52pm |
re: #499 Alkmyst
What I said earlier is that when it is perceived that Obama is preferential to the arab cause, they are emboldened, and attacks occur with more frequency.
So far I am not seeing any actual evidence on this theory of yours.
521 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:16:58pm |
re: #514 Alkmyst
At the risk of being yelled at incessantly, I saw a post a week or so ago from Pamela Geller with Excel sheets from the WH website detailing recent visits from both to the WH.
Oh Jesus.
You actually think that there are no other people in this country named Wright or Ayers?
Come on....
Why would anyone even pay any attention to Geller?
From now on your posts say nothing but wocka wocka wocka.....
522 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:17:03pm |
re: #514 Alkmyst
I'm sorry, Crazy Shrieker Excel sheets what?
523 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:17:26pm |
re: #515 WindUpBird
put the sheet back on, David Duke
sooner or later if you cry racist enough people get de-sensitized...
524 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:17:32pm |
525 | Lidane Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:17:57pm |
re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist
Obama has a record of his own as president for us to worry about.
Yeah, this.
I don't care one whit about Wright, Ayers, ACORN, Farrakhan (lol, as if), Sharpton, or any other ridiculous conspiracies that people have about President Obama. I only care about what the man does as President. Period.
I voted for him with no regrets, but his presidency has been far from perfect. His time in office is all I'm going to be looking at in 2012 when I'm deciding on whether or not to give him my vote again. I could give a fuck about Wright or Ayers or any of that other garbage. The only folks who care about that anymore are the ones who are determined to turn the President into an "other", or make him out to be un-American, or different from everyone else somehow.
I'd rather focus on his actions and accomplishments, myself.
526 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:18:01pm |
re: #513 WindUpBird
missed a spot
I don't disagree that most politics is ginned up to point of drunkenness. And this particular issue is one that bores me.
527 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:18:03pm |
re: #495 Obdicut
Well Obdicut, last week I made what I considered a innocuous statement about this very subject, and wound up being called a liar. And got chastised for taking offense at it. Today, I think someone is misquoting an article where WRIGHT is named as Obamas' "mentor".
Whether the writer of the article is a "liar" I'll let you decide.
528 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:18:04pm |
re: #514 Alkmyst
At the risk of being yelled at incessantly, I saw a post a week or so ago from Pamela Geller with Excel sheets from the WH website detailing recent visits from both to the WH.
It's not worth yelling at people who bring up Pamela Geller as a source, it's more like we're giggling at a kid with a big snot on his chin
529 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:18:07pm |
re: #516 Cato the Elder
Further amended.
Obama's all grown up now and doesn't need mentors so much anymore.
Fair enough.
I wonder if he has changed his views on the Constitution as well.
531 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:18:52pm |
re: #517 SanFranciscoZionist
Because it fits the pigeonhole Obama is supposed to go into.
It surrrrre does.
532 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:19:16pm |
re: #525 Lidane
His time in office is all I'm going to be looking at in 2012 when I'm deciding on whether or not to give him my vote again.
Well that and who is running on the other side.
President Palin anyone?
533 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:19:42pm |
re: #527 swamprat
I'm sorry, dude, I really don't remember what the hell you're talking about. Obama has definitively and publicly broken with Wright, and there is no reason to believe he is currently Obama's mentor in any way, shape, or form.
534 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:19:50pm |
re: #528 WindUpBird
It's not worth yelling at people who bring up Pamela Geller as a source, it's more like we're giggling at a kid with a big snot on his chin
Thanks to webevintage we have a saying
wocka wocka wocka
been awhile since it's been needed, but dang that time did come around again.
535 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:19:56pm |
re: #530 windsagio
So in your book, its okay to paint someone as a Klansman but its not okay for someone to say Wright was Obama's mentor/spiritual advisor?!
I see.
536 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:20:11pm |
re: #514 Alkmyst
At the risk of being yelled at incessantly, I saw a post a week or so ago from Pamela Geller with Excel sheets from the WH website detailing recent visits from both to the WH.
Oh, Lord.
Pam Geller is a nutcase, you know that, right?
537 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:20:33pm |
re: #529 Van Helsing
Fair enough.
"I wonder if he has changed his views on the Constitution as well."
...Van Helsing stammered, lips dripping with sauce, as he choked on a turkey leg comprised of his own racist stupidity
538 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:20:40pm |
re: #517 SanFranciscoZionist
Because it fits the pigeonhole Obama is supposed to go into.
Can't harsh the narrative...
539 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:21:06pm |
re: #516 Cato the Elder
Further amended.
Obama's all grown up now and doesn't need mentors so much anymore.
I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt that the unsavory people in his past were useful to him at the time. Of course that means pragmatism and is not necessarily a compliment; but are there any politicians who didn't use people to get where they wanted to be?
540 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:21:06pm |
re: #499 Alkmyst
What I said earlier is that when it is perceived that Obama is preferential to the arab cause, they are emboldened, and attacks occur with more frequency.
Yeah, right.
Tell me again, when was the height of the "second intifada"?
And who was president then?
And, assuming as I do that by Arab cause you correctly mean the destruction of Israel, show me exactly how Obama prefers that option, would you?
Because if you can I'm going to have to rethink my whole world.
541 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:21:08pm |
re: #532 webevintage
Palin is not running for office. She's too busy making millions of dollars. Who needs politics?
542 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:21:17pm |
re: #518 Bagua
I agreed, by the way, but it is not irrelevant to everyone, it is a bit of recent history. If someone wants to make a brief mention and cite a two year article, no problem, we are free to comment or ignore it.
Yes, and I'm commenting. This is BS, has been from the beginning, and I am bored with playing the dumb-ass Jeremiah Wright game.
543 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:21:34pm |
re: #521 webevintage
Yeah I figured it would induce this type of reaction, so much for listening to the other side of a debate.
I happen to have met her in person when she was here in Israel, and she was far from shreiking.
544 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:21:41pm |
re: #537 WindUpBird
...Van Helsing stammered, lips dripping with sauce, as he choked on a turkey leg comprised of his own racist stupidity
....wow.....
If shock value is what you're going for, you're doing a helluva fuckin' job.
545 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:21:41pm |
re: #538 webevintage
Can't harsh the narrative...
Looking pretty dire if that's all they've got. Still.
546 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:22:12pm |
re: #535 TheMatrix31
Yup, well if the shoe fits anyways.
The problem with the slur you're lovin, is that shoe doesn't fit so well.
At least I scared you out into the open tho :D
547 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:22:25pm |
re: #543 Alkmyst
I have never met a Geller supporter before. It's pretty damn shocking.
548 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:22:27pm |
re: #535 TheMatrix31
So in your book, its okay to paint someone as a Klansman but its not okay for someone to say Wright was Obama's mentor/spiritual advisor?!
I see.
we see Duke, Byrd... lalala can't hear you
549 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:23:01pm |
re: #546 windsagio
You didn't scare me for shit. I don't give a fuck about you, I just don't like being called out.
550 | Henchman 25 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:23:04pm |
re: #543 Alkmyst
I happen to have met her in person when she was here in Israel, and she was far from shreiking.
You don't get around much, do you?
551 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:23:08pm |
re: #540 Cato the Elder
The 2nd intifada started right around the same time as Bush's entrance to office, maybe slightly before, I forget.
552 | Lidane Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:23:09pm |
re: #532 webevintage
Well that and who is running on the other side.
President Palin anyone?
The chances of me voting Republican in 2012, especially if this Tea Party silliness continues until then, are pretty much nil, unless President Obama really fucks up in some catastrophic way.
Those chances are even lower if Palin is the nominee. I actually like this country. Caribou Barbie as president would be horrifying. No thanks. If she's the nominee and I decide I can't vote for President Obama, I'll write someone in or vote third party. Simple as that.
553 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:23:15pm |
re: #546 windsagio
The shoe, by the way, is a racist cowboy boot.
554 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:23:23pm |
re: #529 Van Helsing
Fair enough.
I wonder if he has changed his views on the Constitution as well.
That's a lovely bit of passive-aggressive snideness. What do you think? Does his presidency appear to you in line with the views he expressed earlier?
555 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:23:30pm |
re: #50 Walter L. Newton
They shouldn't be making fun of Mohammed, any more than things like "pissing on Allah's name" and mocking the Mormons (up and coming broadway musical by the South Park guys). We really should be trying to understand the different religious cultures, not trying to fight them all the time.
Walters new avatar- a Jimmah-Ice production :D
556 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:23:58pm |
re: #549 TheMatrix31
"Thematrix31 threatens to beat someone up over the internet in 5...4...3..."
557 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:24:16pm |
re: #553 windsagio
The shoe, by the way, is a racist cowboy boot.
you sure do use the word racist a lot....
558 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:24:33pm |
559 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:24:48pm |
re: #543 Alkmyst
What do you think about the things that Geller has said about Charles, Alkmyst?
560 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:24:49pm |
re: #533 Obdicut
It went something like this. I said that an honest person who listened to Wrights' sermons would admit that he promoted violence. Wozzablog said drop my line about him being a liar, or pony up the links. I told wozzablog to piss himself, and you had much to say about the subject.
561 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:24:57pm |
re: #557 brookly red
I've only used it once so far. Its mainly WUB tonight.
I like 'bigoted', because most of the bigots on here are anti-islam ones, and
Islam is not a race.
562 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:25:18pm |
re: #515 WindUpBird
put the sheet back on, David Duke
Bullshit. Suggesting a fellow commenter is a klansman is beyond ginned up, that is hallucinogenic. Surely you can do better than that.
563 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:25:33pm |
re: #560 swamprat
Oh, yeah. You were completely wrong to say that. Absolutely and completely wrong. And you were wrong to fly off the handle in the way that you did.
I'm really not sure why you'd want to bring this up again.
564 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:25:47pm |
re: #561 windsagio
I've only used it once so far. Its mainly WUB tonight.
I like 'bigoted', because most of the bigots on here are anti-islam ones, and
OK ...
565 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:26:02pm |
re: #535 TheMatrix31
So in your book, its okay to paint someone as a Klansman but its not okay for someone to say Wright was Obama's mentor/spiritual advisor?!
I see.
No, I don't think you do see. Because Obama has a billion mentors if you ask these walking GOP talking points with weak minds who repeat by rote whatever made-up bon mot that Limbaugh spoon feeds them. Depending on the radio loudmouth or the crypto-racist blogger-of-the-week: It's Ayers, it's Alinski, it's Wright, it's Farrakhan, it's Ming the Mierciless, it's the Master Control Program from Tron, it's Saddam Hussein, it's The Ayatollah Khomeni, it's Karl Marx, it's Groucho Marx, it's Mark Lanegan, it's fucking Big Bird.
And yeah, if someone tries and ties Farrakhan to Obama? They're a sheetwearer. Wrap your lips around that and blow.
567 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:26:16pm |
re: #537 WindUpBird
...Van Helsing stammered, lips dripping with sauce, as he choked on a turkey leg comprised of his own racist stupidity
Did you hear the interview I was referring to?
568 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:26:29pm |
I am amazed that there are people out there who spend their days making Excel sheets of who visits the White House and then claims that the Wrights or Ayers on the list are THE Wright and THE Ayers without thinking that there are millions and millions of people in the United States and a few of them might also be named J. Wright and B. Ayers.
Logic people.
It is your friend.
569 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:26:30pm |
re: #547 Obdicut
Do I support every word she says? Probably not. Her blog is in my RSS feed, as is this one.
As to her and Charles, I'm not getting in the middle of it. I'd prefer rational discussion.
570 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:26:46pm |
re: #514 Alkmyst
At the risk of being yelled at incessantly, I saw a post a week or so ago from Pamela Geller with Excel sheets from the WH website detailing recent visits from both to the WH.
Seriously. Crazy Pamz? You consider her a source for anything but madness and all-the-vodka-you-can-drink if you go visit her at her house?
571 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:26:54pm |
re: #543 Alkmyst
Yeah I figured it would induce this type of reaction, so much for listening to the other side of a debate.
I happen to have met her in person when she was here in Israel, and she was far from shreiking.
She's a paranoid and a racist. fi you want to hang out with racist slime, that's your business.
572 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:27:12pm |
re: #569 Alkmyst
As to her and Charles, I'm not getting in the middle of it. I'd prefer rational discussion.
Do you think that perhaps by coming onto Charles's website and defending her you are, in fact, getting into the middle of it?
How are you not?
573 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:27:19pm |
re: #561 windsagio
Just CTRL+F'ed "racist" and scanned through posts where it appeared in something you've posted. Counted about 4 or 5 times.
574 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:27:28pm |
re: #567 Van Helsing
Did you hear the interview I was referring to?
Sorry, done with you, you're not worthy of respect
575 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:27:31pm |
576 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:27:32pm |
re: #569 Alkmyst
Do I support every word she says? Probably not. Her blog is in my RSS feed, as is this one.
As to her and Charles, I'm not getting in the middle of it. I'd prefer rational discussion.
I'd prefer it if you could distinguish between a rational blog and insane one.
577 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:27:55pm |
re: #561 windsagio
I've only used it once so far. Its mainly WUB tonight.
I like 'bigoted', because most of the bigots on here are anti-islam ones, and
Which is why I take exception with you. You refer to the "bigots" and "racists" and "bastards" here, meaning fellow forum members. You are hostile. Period.
578 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:27:56pm |
re: #540 Cato the Elder
Yeah, right.
Tell me again, when was the height of the "second intifada"?
And who was president then?
And, assuming as I do that by Arab cause you correctly mean the destruction of Israel, show me exactly how Obama prefers that option, would you?
Because if you can I'm going to have to rethink my whole world.
Cato, you ain't gettin' it! When Republicans are in charge, acts of terror against Israel and Jews are just par for the course. When Democrats are in charge and the same thing happens, the Democrats cause it.
Similar to the way Bush pushing a settlement freeze counts so much less than Obama pushing a settlement freeze.
579 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:28:44pm |
re: #577 Bagua
Funny thing, hostility is earned.
There are good posters, then there are spreaders of poison.
You are correct that the spreaders of poison, I don't like too much.
580 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:28:45pm |
On a slightly related but hopefully less inflammatory note, I am not American and have never known any Jews, at least none that I would have interacted with on a cultural basis or spoken with about politics. So the pre-eminence of Israel in US politics is always somewhat of a mystery to me. Is there somewhere I can go to read up about the history of the relationship that isn't fraught with emotion and spin of one kind or another?
581 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:28:58pm |
re: #565 WindUpBird
the crypto-racist blogger-of-the-week: It's Ayers, it's Alinski, it's Wright, it's Farrakhan,
.
The very blog we post on has had links about Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, Alinsky, etc.
583 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:29:24pm |
re: #554 SanFranciscoZionist
That's a lovely bit of passive-aggressive snideness. What do you think? Does his presidency appear to you in line with the views he expressed earlier?
Yes, I do.
584 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:29:24pm |
re: #577 Bagua
Which is why I take exception with you. You refer to the "bigots" and "racists" and "bastards" here, meaning fellow forum members. You are hostile. Period.
no racist isn't hostile, it's a defensive reaction...
585 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:29:34pm |
re: #578 SanFranciscoZionist
If you would care to take the time to refer to some of my posts from the time period, I was calling out Bush on stopping any settlements then, too.
586 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:29:39pm |
re: #562 Bagua
Bullshit. Suggesting a fellow commenter is a klansman is beyond ginned up, that is hallucinogenic. Surely you can do better than that.
If you don't think it's racist to force a tie from Farrakhan to Obama, then I don't know how to help you.
The black people, THEYS ALL THINKIN ALIKE AN' SCHEMIN', YES SUH
//
587 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:29:43pm |
re: #567 Van Helsing
Did you hear the interview I was referring to?
I'll bite.
What did he say in that interview that was ZOMG! the worst thing evah?
588 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:29:44pm |
re: #579 windsagio
Funny thing, hostility is earned.
There are good posters, then there are spreaders of poison.
You are correct that the spreaders of poison, I don't like too much.
I hear that... damn right I'm hostile to those throwing hostility and way, way worse. Personally I prefer that to pretending the are "cute" or "nostalgic" or "provincial".
589 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:29:48pm |
re: #581 TheMatrix31
During the election. Not now. Big damn difference.
590 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:29:48pm |
re: #584 brookly red
no racist isn't hostile, it's a defensive reaction...
Sometimes its just the truth >>
592 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:30:31pm |
re: #563 Obdicut
Because it was never my intention to call wozzablog a liar, and I was astounded that he would react with so much venom, and that so many would gang up on his side. I further think that the reason he got mad had nothing to do with what what I said, but was rather because Wright is something that the left has no answer for...not that they need one.
593 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:30:36pm |
594 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:30:39pm |
re: #543 Alkmyst
Yeah I figured it would induce this type of reaction, so much for listening to the other side of a debate.
I happen to have met her in person when she was here in Israel, and she was far from shreiking.
Geller, IIRC, has been proven to be wrong several times while trying to prove that certain people have visited the White House.
A lot of people here used to respect Pam's opinions greatly. Most of them have long since been burned out by her lies and hysterics.
595 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:30:43pm |
re: #591 Stanley Sea
Good lord. That's what I get for not reading the article to the end.
596 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:31:37pm |
re: #592 swamprat
I have no clue what argument you're trying to make. You were wrong to say that Wright advocated violence. I'm not sure what you mean the left has no 'answer' for Wright, either-- how does a person necessitate an answer? An answer to what about Wright?
597 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:31:44pm |
re: #593 brookly red
I actually think I do a pretty good job of that. I suspect you might differ with that opinion >>
598 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:31:48pm |
re: #589 Obdicut
During the election. Not now. Big damn difference.
So what wasn't "racist" then, is now considered "racist"?
Alright.
599 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:31:49pm |
re: #579 windsagio
Funny thing, hostility is earned.
There are good posters, then there are spreaders of poison.
You are correct that the spreaders of poison, I don't like too much.
Again, more judgemental garbage. It's what you do. You poison the discussion with such bias.
Nobody here is spreading poison, and no regular posters are racists. We have a diversity of opinion, right, left, and middle, and most discussions are quite reasonable.
600 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:31:53pm |
re: #464 windsagio
Its pretty clear that the whole point is the bigotry.
Well, since I don't know Alkmyst from Adamre: #504 Naso Tang
There can be unpleasant collective truths in all those examples you give and I could, to balance the equation, say some pretty unpleasant collective things about Israeli Jews who think they were given certain lands by a god, or certain sects of African Americans who wear their pants below their butts, presumably as an excuse to fondle their balls while they hold them up.
However, if hatred of Jews is racism, then there are no more racist groups than Arab Muslims, and that evidence long predates Israel.
If we're going to use "unpleasant collective truths" as the broad brush with which to paint large swaths of humanity, then we're on a slippery slope. If there are "no more racist groups than Arab Muslims" is it then acceptable to answer racism with racism? If so, then how can anyone claim moral high ground? Shall we just all roll around in the mud together?
601 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:32:45pm |
re: #576 Cato the Elder
I read most of the things in my RSS for the links, and do my best to look past editorializing. She may be hyper, but many of her posts have links that lead to other sources that are by and large considered solid.
602 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:33:07pm |
re: #598 TheMatrix31
No. What are you talking about? Can you please actually make a straightforward argument?
603 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:33:21pm |
re: #585 Alkmyst
If you would care to take the time to refer to some of my posts from the time period, I was calling out Bush on stopping any settlements then, too.
Really? You're against stopping any settlements? No distinction, just settlements here, settlements there, settlements in my armpit hair? All settlements, all the time?
Because, you see, I don't necessarily agree with that approach, either.
Are you in favor of the settlements Israel herself has declared illegal and dismantled?
604 | Locker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:33:31pm |
re: #599 Bagua
Again, more judgemental garbage. It's what you do. You poison the discussion with such bias.
Nobody here is spreading poison, and no regular posters are racists. We have a diversity of opinion, right, left, and middle, and most discussions are quite reasonable.
Ok so you say that he poisons the discussion then the next sentence says nobody here is spreading poison. There is plenty of slander and poison that go on around here when certain elements congregate at certain times of the day to validate each others bullshit. It's not hard to find.
605 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:33:48pm |
re: #546 windsagio
Just catching up...by the way...your #94 wins teh intertoob;)
606 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:33:57pm |
re: #597 windsagio
I actually think I do a pretty good job of that. I suspect you might differ with that opinion >>
no you do a pretty good job that is why I bother to mention it, if you use it too much it loses it effectiveness... juss sayin
607 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:34:03pm |
re: #599 Bagua
I think its time to stop this.
I have enough self-knowledge to see that you and me bickering isn't enjoyable for anyone else here.
So, last point then I'll quit prolonging this: just about everyone here remembers how insanely awful you were during previous AGW fights. That's probably enough to rest a case on, right there.
608 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:34:08pm |
re: #551 Alkmyst
The 2nd intifada started right around the same time as Bush's entrance to office, maybe slightly before, I forget.
Just before his election. Clearly, the Palestinian leadership smelled his weakness and willingness to compromise, no? And the intifada continued under his presidency, because he was coddling Arab nations, right?
/should I bother?
609 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:34:29pm |
re: #586 WindUpBird
If you don't think it's racist to force a tie from Farrakhan to Obama, then I don't know how to help you.
The black people, THEYS ALL THINKIN ALIKE AN' SCHEMIN', YES SUH
//
I agree we can debate the degree of racism in various events and issues, as we do. Pretty much everyone here is very against racism or bigotry of any sort. But we can surely discuss these issues among ourselves without suggesting that one of us is a member of the KKK because we don't see the issue like you do.
610 | lostlakehiker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:35:01pm |
re: #552 Lidane
The chances of me voting Republican in 2012, especially if this Tea Party silliness continues until then, are pretty much nil, unless President Obama really fucks up in some catastrophic way.
Those chances are even lower if Palin is the nominee. I actually like this country. Caribou Barbie as president would be horrifying. No thanks. If she's the nominee and I decide I can't vote for President Obama, I'll write someone in or vote third party. Simple as that.
Palin won't be the Republican nominee. Neither will Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee. Romney has some sort of chance but most likely it will be somebody some of us have heard of but who has yet to make a big name for herself beyond the regional level. Or himself.
611 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:35:15pm |
re: #547 Obdicut
I have never met a Geller supporter before. It's pretty damn shocking.
shhh...you'll spook them. let's observe their behavior for a bit...be a good naturalist, won't you/
612 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:35:25pm |
re: #581 TheMatrix31
The very blog we post on has had links about Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, Alinsky, etc.
yeah, and if you were actually paying attention you would also note that all the weak-sauce ties that the talking point drones bring up have been debunked over and over again. You bring 'em up, we knock 'em down. Repeat forever. The rich pageantry continues.
I'm noticing Charles is NOT indicting Obama for his ties to Farrakhan that don't exist. I'm noticing Charles shoots down the talking pointimplications that he's got all these sekrit ties to ACORN. I'm noticing charles shoots down the bullshit about how Obama's secretly some cryptoradical.
But get on with your tribalism. For the record, I think you're not a racist, just simply someone who won't be moved by facts, who is invested in rooting for your GOP team the way one roots for a basketball team or a football team. You're one of the most reliable talking point stenographers we have here.
613 | windsagio Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:35:36pm |
614 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:35:41pm |
re: #587 webevintage
I'll bite.
What did he say in that interview that was ZOMG! the worst thing evah?
Search the archive. I believe it was in August of 2008. It was a radio interview done in 2001(?). He was discussing his views of the Constitution and stated it was fundamentally flawed as it was a negative document, outlining what government could not do to you. It would have been much better if it dealt with what government should do for you.
That would be a pretty basic change in the set of principles the Republic was founded on.
615 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:36:18pm |
re: #603 Cato the Elder
It is my belief that Israel belongs to the Jewish people, and any and all building therein is legitimate.
616 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:36:29pm |
re: #602 Obdicut
In 565, WindUpBird talked about "crypto-racist-bloggers" going on about Ayers, Wright, etc.
In 581, I pointed out that the blog we POST at would go on about those links.
In 589, you posted about how that was during the election, and not now, and that there was a big difference.
In 598, I wished to clarify your response, because it looked to me like you were saying that pointing out those things during the election times wasn't "racist", but now they were, which was confirming WindUpBird's point.
.....not too sure what was terribly unclear about that sequence of posts and responses.
617 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:36:48pm |
re: #614 Van Helsing
I totally trust your summation of that interview. Someone who first claimed Farrakhan was Obama's mentor and then claimed that Wright was still Obama's mentor-- obviously they'd never misremember anything about Obama!
/
618 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:36:48pm |
re: #592 swamprat
Because it was never my intention to call wozzablog a liar, and I was astounded that he would react with so much venom, and that so many would gang up on his side. I further think that the reason he got mad had nothing to do with what what I said, but was rather because Wright is something that the left has no answer for...not that they need one.
If only people were outraged about Pat Robertson the way they pretend to be outraged about Wright.
The answer is we know who brings up Wright years after the election. And we know why. We understand :)
619 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:36:52pm |
re: #568 webevintage
I am amazed that there are people out there who spend their days making Excel sheets of who visits the White House and then claims that the Wrights or Ayers on the list are THE Wright and THE Ayers without thinking that there are millions and millions of people in the United States and a few of them might also be named J. Wright and B. Ayers.
Logic people.
It is your friend.
There was some woman who was supposed to be the head of ACORN who visited, and Pam got very excited about that, but it turned out it was a completely different woman.
620 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:36:53pm |
re: #601 Alkmyst
I read most of the things in my RSS for the links, and do my best to look past editorializing. She may be hyper, but many of her posts have links that lead to other sources that are by and large considered solid.
If your word for Geller is "hyper" rather than "hater" and chillul haShem, I feel bad for your moral compass, which is probably floating around in the Dead Sea wondering why you threw it away.
621 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:37:35pm |
re: #570 Cato the Elder
Seriously. Crazy Pamz? You consider her a source for anything but madness and all-the-vodka-you-can-drink if you go visit her at her house?
Unless you represent the US Census, in which case you won't get in.
622 | NJDhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:38:10pm |
Hi folks. Taking a break from yard work.
Obama's mentors is the current subject? I see Frank Marshall Davis hasn't been mentioned yet.
623 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:38:11pm |
re: #612 WindUpBird
yeah, and if you were actually paying attention you would also note that all the weak-sauce ties that the talking point drones bring up have been debunked over and over again. You bring 'em up, we knock 'em down. Repeat forever. The rich pageantry continues.
I'm noticing Charles is NOT indicting Obama for his ties to Farrakhan that don't exist. I'm noticing Charles shoots down the talking pointimplications that he's got all these sekrit ties to ACORN. I'm noticing charles shoots down the bullshit about how Obama's secretly some cryptoradical.
But get on with your tribalism. For the record, I think you're not a racist, just simply someone who won't be moved by facts, who is invested in rooting for your GOP team the way one roots for a basketball team or a football team. You're one of the most reliable talking point stenographers we have here.
Cool. Now I can sleep knowing that you don't think I'm a racist. That was really bugging me there, being confused and all that. Good to know you can clarify my feelings for me. I'm glad you're an expert at detecting such feelings.
624 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:38:16pm |
re: #600 CuriousLurker
If we're going to use "unpleasant collective truths" as the broad brush with which to paint large swaths of humanity, then we're on a slippery slope. If there are "no more racist groups than Arab Muslims" is it then acceptable to answer racism with racism? If so, then how can anyone claim moral high ground? Shall we just all roll around in the mud together?
I agree except...well...can we roll around in the mud first and then not be racist? Because i'm all for not making racist generalizations but, on the other hand, rolling in mud is good too...
(other than that, i agree...let's keep the blankets in the linen closet;)
625 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:38:38pm |
626 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:38:46pm |
re: #622 NJDhockeyfan
Stop with the talking points, NJD. We set em up, they knock em down! You're just another reliable talking point stenographer.
627 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:39:13pm |
re: #580 Renaissance_Man
On a slightly related but hopefully less inflammatory note, I am not American and have never known any Jews, at least none that I would have interacted with on a cultural basis or spoken with about politics. So the pre-eminence of Israel in US politics is always somewhat of a mystery to me. Is there somewhere I can go to read up about the history of the relationship that isn't fraught with emotion and spin of one kind or another?
You sound like you have lead a very sheltered life. Do I also take it that you are puzzled by the support for the PA or Hamas in Europe?
628 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:39:16pm |
re: #616 TheMatrix31
Yes, continuing to harp on Wright, now that Obama has distanced himself totally away from it, is something that a lot of racist bloggers do. No, it wasn't racist to point out Wright's inflammatory statements during the campaign-- though the immense volume and persistence of attention this preacher got was definitely because he was black and leftist, since white preachers with just as radical conservative politics have been mainstream in the US for years.
I'm pointing out that Charles is now rather wisely judging Obama on his performance as president, and is not stuck in the election. If you can draw a connection between Wright's influence and any of Obama's actions, then Wright would be relevant. Otherwise, he's really not.
Does that make sense?
629 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:39:23pm |
re: #615 Alkmyst
It is my belief that Israel belongs to the Jewish people, and any and all building therein is legitimate.
Ah. And I'm betting that your map of Israel is somewhat different than the Israeli government's.
630 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:39:36pm |
re: #604 Locker
Ok so you say that he poisons the discussion then the next sentence says nobody here is spreading poison. There is plenty of slander and poison that go on around here when certain elements congregate at certain times of the day to validate each others bullshit. It's not hard to find.
I've lost count of the number of times Bagua has had poisonous comments of his own - aimed at fellow posters - deleted. Talk about hypocrisy on stilts.
631 | NJDhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:39:57pm |
re: #626 TheMatrix31
Stop with the talking points, NJD. We set em up, they knock em down! You're just another reliable talking point stenographer.
Bowling for hollers.
632 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:39:58pm |
re: #585 Alkmyst
If you would care to take the time to refer to some of my posts from the time period, I was calling out Bush on stopping any settlements then, too.
I'm sure you were, however you appear to feel that Obama is actively encouraging anti-Semitic attacks worldwide. Why is one man so much more influential than the other?
633 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:40:26pm |
re: #628 Obdicut
Yes, it does make sense.
I don't harp on those connections either, it was just the discussion at the moment.
634 | prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:40:35pm |
re: #610 lostlakehiker
Palin won't be the Republican nominee. Neither will Ron Paul or Mike Huckabee. Romney has some sort of chance but most likely it will be somebody some of us have heard of but who has yet to make a big name for herself beyond the regional level. Or himself.
Sounds like a Unicorn to me.
635 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:40:48pm |
This thread is going in some astonishing directions.
636 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:40:51pm |
re: #627 Naso Tang
You know, not having an in-depth knowledge of Israel's situation is not really being 'sheltered'. People are allowed to not actually pay attention, in the same way that I really don't have much of a clue about the forces arrayed in the Congo.
637 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:41:05pm |
re: #608 SanFranciscoZionist
re: #551 Alkmyst
The 2nd intifada started right around the same time as Bush's entrance to office, maybe slightly before, I forget.
Just before his election. Clearly, the Palestinian leadership smelled his weakness and willingness to compromise, no? And the intifada continued under his presidency, because he was coddling Arab nations, right?
I don't think the intifada had anything to do with Bush, and that it continued while he was president was due to the inertia. I do believe that had he not pursued the War on Terror as he did, chances are the intifada would have lasted even longer. Aside from being beaten by Israel, Arafat was shunned by Washington, and I think that does make a difference.
638 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:41:37pm |
re: #618 WindUpBird
If only people were outraged about Pat Robertson the way they pretend to be outraged about Wright.
The answer is we know who brings up Wright years after the election. And we know why. We understand :)
I'm outraged by the both of them. Theyre both fucking pieces of shit.
"pretend" to be outraged. LOL. What a joke.
639 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:41:43pm |
re: #615 Alkmyst
It is my belief that Israel belongs to the Jewish people, and any and all building therein is legitimate.
Which map are you referencing?
640 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:42:21pm |
re: #604 Locker
Ok so you say that he poisons the discussion then the next sentence says nobody here is spreading poison. There is plenty of slander and poison that go on around here when certain elements congregate at certain times of the day to validate each others bullshit. It's not hard to find.
I'm not saying windsagio is unique nor especially egregious, though he certainly posts a great deal, it is not off limits to make my occasional observation.
My dual use of poison was a bit awkward, rhetorically. But the contrast is between one saying people are spreading poison, as in lies, foul ideas, conservative viewpoints, and that is is poisonous to label people as racist, and bigots and on the other hand saying it poisons the dialog to make such assertions about members of a social group.
641 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:42:47pm |
re: #596 Obdicut
Wright told an audience of predominately black parishioners that America had enslaved them, America had produced diseases against them, America had bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki... He told them that America had done every sort of evil ..
And he always said put it so that no one could accuse him of promoting anything like violence. But if you believed what he said, you would not oppose any sort of violence against the U.S.
His speeches were the same as Nixon's famous quote;
"but it would be wrong!"
Wright supported Hamas, and spread blood libel against the U.S.
And means little in today's politics; But truth is truth.
642 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:42:59pm |
re: #600 CuriousLurker
If we're going to use "unpleasant collective truths" as the broad brush with which to paint large swaths of humanity, then we're on a slippery slope. If there are "no more racist groups than Arab Muslims" is it then acceptable to answer racism with racism? If so, then how can anyone claim moral high ground? Shall we just all roll around in the mud together?
Also, if we're going to go back before the state of Israel, then I would say that there is no way to make the claim that the Middle East shows a more unpleasant history of anti-Semitism than Europe. And I don't think anti-Semitism went away in Europe, they just ran out of Jews.
643 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:43:07pm |
re: #636 Obdicut
You know, not having an in-depth knowledge of Israel's situation is not really being 'sheltered'. People are allowed to not actually pay attention, in the same way that I really don't have much of a clue about the forces arrayed in the Congo.
In this case I would agree, if they are from the Congo.
644 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:43:10pm |
re: #629 Cato the Elder
If you're implying that I'd say we should conquer Jordan, that's not it. As long as they abode the peace agreement I have no problem with them, in fact I was even looking to do business there.
645 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:43:18pm |
re: #638 TheMatrix31
I'm outraged by the both of them. Theyre both fucking pieces of shit.
"pretend" to be outraged. LOL. What a joke.
Yeah, it's a fucking pretense. Wright is nobody. Robertson was in and out of the Bush White House like a greased dildo. There is a difference.
646 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:44:31pm |
re: #623 TheMatrix31
Cool. Now I can sleep knowing that you don't think I'm a racist. That was really bugging me there, being confused and all that. Good to know you can clarify my feelings for me. I'm glad you're an expert at detecting such feelings.
Ok , have I got this right - WUB's racism detector is not to be trusted? Are you suggesting that you are a racist?
647 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:44:43pm |
re: #618 WindUpBird
As far as I am concerned, both those feathers were plucked from the same wing.
648 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:45:00pm |
re: #644 Alkmyst
If you're implying that I'd say we should conquer Jordan, that's not it. As long as they abode the peace agreement I have no problem with them, in fact I was even looking to do business there.
I'm implying that you're saying Israel should declare all of the West Bank to be Israel proper, which goes further than anything any Israeli government has called for. Are you saying it's a stealth takeover?
649 | prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:45:24pm |
re: #642 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, if we're going to go back before the state of Israel, then I would say that there is no way to make the claim that the Middle East shows a more unpleasant history of anti-Semitism than Europe. And I don't think anti-Semitism went away in Europe, they just ran out of Jews.
I just almost choked on my pretzel when I read that!
650 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:45:48pm |
re: #630 Jimmah
I've lost count of the number of times Bagua has had poisonous comments of his own - aimed at fellow posters - deleted. Talk about hypocrisy on stilts.
Ah, the expert on the blog soap opera is here to disqualify me from having an opinion. How silly of me. I forgot you are an expert, having been on the opposite side of almost every conflict here in recent months.
Bait someone else, I'm not interested.
651 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:45:56pm |
re: #647 swamprat
As far as I am concerned, both those feathers were plucked from the same wing.
The same bird, maybe. Definitely not the same wing.
652 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:46:09pm |
re: #464 windsagio
Its pretty clear that the whole point is the bigotry.
Sorry, windsagio, I started to reply to you and it got mixed in with my reply to Naso. I was going to say that since I don't know Alkmyst from Adam, I'd be willing to give him/her the benefit of the doubt, which is why I asked if it was intended as it was written. The reply seems to have been given via Naso Tang instead of to me directly, so.... *shrug*
653 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:46:10pm |
re: #646 Jimmah
wow....that's a twist if I've ever seen one.
No, I was just saying that he's nobody to declare anything about anyone being racist or not.
654 | NJDhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:46:28pm |
re: #645 Cato the Elder
Yeah, it's a fucking pretense. Wright is nobody. Robertson was in and out of the Bush White House like a greased dildo. There is a difference.
Obama spent 20 years listening to Wright preach hate. I find it virtually impossible that some of that didn't rub off on Obama.
655 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:46:52pm |
re: #641 swamprat
And he always said put it so that no one could accuse him of promoting anything like violence. But if you believed what he said, you would not oppose any sort of violence against the U.S.
That's totally irrational, dude. Why the hell do you believe this?
First of all:
We really did enslave blacks. We really did do inhuman medical experiments on blacks. We really did sic dogs on them when they tried to vote. We really did imprison them, beat them, and kill them for attempts to mix with white society. And Wright lived through that time period-- he not only lived through that time period, he served as a Marine. I still cannot for the life of me figure out how this nation was lucky enough to have so many blacks serve in the armed forces before the civil rights movement, but thank god they did.
Wright's preaching was fire-and-brimstone rhetoric, but saying that it advocates violence or supports violence is like saying those Catholic bishops who refused communion are advocating violence by doing so.
I have no clue why you want to fight this all over again. It got pretty ugly last time. Why he hell can't you let Wright go?
657 | prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:47:52pm |
re: #654 NJDhockeyfan
Obama spent 20 years listening to Wright preach hate. I find it virtually impossible that some of that didn't rub off on Obama.
Who does President Obama hate?
658 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:47:52pm |
re: #654 NJDhockeyfan
Obama spent 20 years listening to Wright preach hate. I find it virtually impossible that some of that didn't rub off on Obama.
Yeah, because that's all Wright ever did was preach hate. And Obama was there every Sunday without fail for 20 years. And...
Crap, this is old. I'm done with the topic.
659 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:48:03pm |
re: #619 SanFranciscoZionist
There was some woman who was supposed to be the head of ACORN who visited, and Pam got very excited about that, but it turned out it was a completely different woman.
And in some cases where a person is confused with someone else carrying the same name, some harm can come (not necessarily physical harm).
People's identities need to be very carefully verified before accusations start flowing.
660 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:48:45pm |
re: #632 SanFranciscoZionist
What I'm saying is that by not shunning arab dictators, relying on talking with wackos like Ahmedinijad, Assad, Khaddafi, it encourages attacks. It happened under Bush to some degree re: Saudis, but much less often than under Obama.
661 | Lidane Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:48:59pm |
Why is Wright still an issue for anyone? I'm having a hard time understanding this.
662 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:49:23pm |
re: #654 NJDhockeyfan
Obama spent 20 years listening to Wright preach hate. I find it virtually impossible that some of that didn't rub off on Obama.
A. I don't think Obama went to church every freaking Sunday.
B. I don't think Wright was as nuts 20 years ago as he has gotten as he has aged.
C. I actually just don't fucking care....
663 | Killgore Trout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:50:02pm |
You guys are pretty lively for a lazy Sunday afternoon.
664 | prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:50:02pm |
re: #661 Lidane
Dead, dusty horse being pulled out into the street to beat again.
665 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:50:44pm |
re: #661 Lidane
Why is Wright still an issue for anyone? I'm having a hard time understanding this.
it is what it is...
666 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:50:54pm |
re: #580 Renaissance_Man
On a slightly related but hopefully less inflammatory note, I am not American and have never known any Jews, at least none that I would have interacted with on a cultural basis or spoken with about politics. So the pre-eminence of Israel in US politics is always somewhat of a mystery to me. Is there somewhere I can go to read up about the history of the relationship that isn't fraught with emotion and spin of one kind or another?
Naso - way to answer an honest question with an insult. Classy.
Renaissance Man - i'd search past entries from SFZ, Alouette, Ludwig Van Quixote, Marjorie, and Joo-Liz regarding the Jewish perspective on this topic. They won't agree on every single point, which means you'll be informed from a few different perspectives, but on the topic of Israel, I've found all of their POVs to be highly informed, and extremely level-headed.
667 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:50:55pm |
re: #654 NJDhockeyfan
Obama spent 20 years listening to Wright preach hate. I find it virtually impossible that some of that didn't rub off on Obama.
Not really. Obama sat and listened to ...several pastors in that church.
No one thinks he did that for any other reason than to promote his Carree.
While that may, or may not make him a hypocrite, It definitely makes him a typical politician.
668 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:51:06pm |
re: #650 Bagua
Ah, the expert on the blog soap opera is here to disqualify me from having an opinion. How silly of me. I forgot you are an expert, having been on the opposite side of almost every conflict here in recent months.
Bait someone else, I'm not interested.
I stand here exposed as having been involved in several arguments on the opposite side from wingnuts.
Yes, folks it's it's true - I am not a wingnut.
669 | Alkmyst Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:51:17pm |
re: #648 Cato the Elder
re: #644 Alkmyst
If you're implying that I'd say we should conquer Jordan, that's not it. As long as they abode the peace agreement I have no problem with them, in fact I was even looking to do business there.
I'm implying that you're saying Israel should declare all of the West Bank to be Israel proper, which goes further than anything any Israeli government has called for. Are you saying it's a stealth takeover?
No need to imply - I've said that openly many a time that we should officially annex.
670 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:51:22pm |
re: #627 Naso Tang
You sound like you have lead a very sheltered life. Do I also take it that you are puzzled by the support for the PA or Hamas in Europe?
I am not 'puzzled' as to why anyone supports anyone, just lacking in knowledge of the history of the politics in question. Where I'm from nobody has any dogs in the fight in the Middle East, and consequently Middle Eastern affairs are not often matters of great cultural and political impact. If that makes me sheltered, sorry to offend you.
671 | Lidane Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:51:27pm |
re: #664 prairiefire
Dead, dusty horse being pulled out into the street to beat again.
You'd think that horse would have been pulverized by now. Is this some kind of new genetically modified horse that can withstand 2+ years of being beaten and flogged to death?
672 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:51:36pm |
re: #642 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, if we're going to go back before the state of Israel, then I would say that there is no way to make the claim that the Middle East shows a more unpleasant history of anti-Semitism than Europe. And I don't think anti-Semitism went away in Europe, they just ran out of Jews.
So, since that is in essence what I said earlier, why did you down me upthread; assuming it wasn't because of the clothing uniform comment?
673 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:51:41pm |
re: #664 prairiefire
The scientists have cloned the DNA from a prehistoric mesohippus westoni and archaeologists have unearthed the oldest known man-made stick so that the two can come together for one last beating.
675 | prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:52:03pm |
re: #666 Aceofwhat?
Thanks, Ace. I was hoping someone would answer him. Favorited for my own future reading as well.
676 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:52:44pm |
re: #637 Alkmyst
I don't think the intifada had anything to do with Bush, and that it continued while he was president was due to the inertia. I do believe that had he not pursued the War on Terror as he did, chances are the intifada would have lasted even longer. Aside from being beaten by Israel, Arafat was shunned by Washington, and I think that does make a difference.
Do you see why I see this as perhaps something of a double standard? IE, the intifada just happened to happen, but anti-Semitic street attacks in London are Obama's fault?
677 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:52:46pm |
I realize why I gave up giving a shit about politics over the last couple of weeks. It was a good, happy two weeks.
678 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:52:49pm |
re: #642 SanFranciscoZionist
And I don't think anti-Semitism went away in Europe, they just ran out of Jews.
oh, SNAP
679 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:53:05pm |
re: #661 Lidane
Why is Wright still an issue for anyone? I'm having a hard time understanding this.
It's a sore point. If there was one reason I didn't vote for Obama it can be summarized by "Wright".
680 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:53:10pm |
re: #618 WindUpBird
If only people were outraged about Pat Robertson the way they pretend to be outraged about Wright.
The answer is we know who brings up Wright years after the election. And we know why. We understand :)
The inverse to that is; those who get outraged at those who bring up Wright. We know who those are. and we know why.
681 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:53:29pm |
re: #661 Lidane
Why is Wright still an issue for anyone? I'm having a hard time understanding this.
An issue, what issue?
re: #668 Jimmah
I stand here exposed as having been involved in several arguments on the opposite side from wingnuts.
Yes, folks it's it's true - I am not a wingnut.
[Video]
Of course, you're right, I'm sorry, silly me. You are a noble Knight on a quest to do battle with the evil, racist wingnuts. Carry on.
682 | Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:54:00pm |
re: #663 Killgore Trout
I suggest a smoke for smokers, a drink for drinkers, and an indulgent meal for the foodies among us. For me its a bit of the first two and a larger portion of the third.
683 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:54:04pm |
684 | prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:54:11pm |
re: #671 Lidane
You'd think that horse would have been pulverized by now. Is this some kind of new genetically modified horse that can withstand 2+ years of being beaten and flogged to death?
I'm guessing it is based on right ward leaning frustration at not having a solid Leader/Unicorn.
685 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:54:34pm |
re: #654 NJDhockeyfan
Obama spent 20 years listening to Wright preach hate. I find it virtually impossible that some of that didn't rub off on Obama.
IIRC, that was a concern, as was the President's connections to some others.
The concern does not appear to have been borne out, looking at how things have played out after the election, at least in my opinion.
686 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:54:52pm |
re: #671 Lidane
You'd think that horse would have been pulverized by now. Is this some kind of new genetically modified horse that can withstand 2+ years of being beaten and flogged to death?
well...conservatives tend to be more pro-GM food than liberals, right/
687 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:55:44pm |
re: #682 Rightwingconspirator
I suggest a smoke for smokers, a drink for drinkers, and an indulgent meal for the foodies among us. For me its a bit of the first two and a larger portion of the third.
I'm off to eat my pot roast, home made biscuits and chocolate chess pie that i made today while also hanging out here.
688 | prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:55:50pm |
re: #682 Rightwingconspirator
I suggest a smoke for smokers, a drink for drinkers, and an indulgent meal for the foodies among us. For me its a bit of the first two and a larger portion of the third.
I have a pot of Sicilian red sauce simmering on the stove. Meatballs to make and a Grolsh in the fridge calling my name!
690 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:56:33pm |
re: #642 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, if we're going to go back before the state of Israel, then I would say that there is no way to make the claim that the Middle East shows a more unpleasant history of anti-Semitism than Europe. And I don't think anti-Semitism went away in Europe, they just ran out of Jews.
I had the same thought but didn't want to go there and possibly open up a whole other Pandora's Box. Because, ummm, I supposed to be working. This place is like crack, dammit!
691 | prairiefire Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:56:42pm |
re: #687 webevintage
I'm off to eat my pot roast, home made biscuits and chocolate chess pie that i made today while also hanging out here.
Man, Chocolate Chess Pie!!! Jealous!
FBV~~~~~Someone said Pie!
692 | NJDhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:56:54pm |
re: #685 reine.de.tout
IIRC, that was a concern, as was the President's connections to some others.
The concern does not appear to have been borne out, looking at how things have played out after the election, at least in my opinion.
His attitude toward Israel is not surprising.
693 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:57:07pm |
re: #669 Alkmyst
No need to imply - I've said that openly many a time that we should officially annex.
Ah. Which would make things better how, exactly?
Or would your next move be "transfer"?
694 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:57:25pm |
re: #683 Obdicut
Seems like you're having a comprehension issue bro. First with my post, now with his. I'm sorry if there is anything on your mind that's clouded your ability to read posts.
695 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:58:04pm |
696 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:58:10pm |
re: #675 prairiefire
Thanks, Ace. I was hoping someone would answer him. Favorited for my own future reading as well.
it's not always easy to open up and ask an honest question, especially in a knowledgeable crowd. it's a mature act, and seeing someone reply with scorn absolutely makes the back of my hand itch.
whoops - hey. found my soapbox! guess i was accidentally standing on it/
697 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:58:22pm |
re: #690 CuriousLurker
I had the same thought but didn't want to go there and possibly open up a whole other Pandora's Box. Because, ummm, I supposed to be working. This place is like crack, dammit!
Pandora's box is what we hope to open all the time. Sometime we do, sometimes we just end up punning.
698 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:58:38pm |
699 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:58:43pm |
re: #679 Naso Tang
It's a sore point. If there was one reason I didn't vote for Obama it can be summarized by "Wright".
But Wright would not have been veep. Palin gave you no pause, I take it?
700 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:58:54pm |
re: #655 Obdicut
Yes. Everything Wright said is true...except for us making AIDS, or what ever. But he neglected the part where we went to war for Blacks to be free, or that the atomic bombs we dropped saved lives on both sides, or anything that is positive. And he openly supported Hamas...which is by definition supportting violence and terror.
701 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:59:11pm |
re: #660 Alkmyst
What I'm saying is that by not shunning arab dictators, relying on talking with wackos like Ahmedinijad, Assad, Khaddafi, it encourages attacks. It happened under Bush to some degree re: Saudis, but much less often than under Obama.
I disagree, overall, especially since the attacks of which you are speaking are not military ones.
702 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:59:55pm |
703 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 3:59:56pm |
re: #666 Aceofwhat?
Naso - way to answer an honest question with an insult. Classy.
Renaissance Man - i'd search past entries from SFZ, Alouette, Ludwig Van Quixote, Marjorie, and Joo-Liz regarding the Jewish perspective on this topic. They won't agree on every single point, which means you'll be informed from a few different perspectives, but on the topic of Israel, I've found all of their POVs to be highly informed, and extremely level-headed.
Charles also still has Nekama's Troll Hammer featured in resources.
704 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:00:10pm |
re: #669 Alkmyst
No need to imply - I've said that openly many a time that we should officially annex.
And what do we do with all the Arabs that come with the annexation?
705 | Lidane Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:00:11pm |
re: #679 Naso Tang
It's a sore point. If there was one reason I didn't vote for Obama it can be summarized by "Wright".
See, I never got why he mattered. As an atheist, I looked at Wright and just saw another hellfire and brimstone preacher. I figure there are enough bugfuck crazy preachers on the hard right -- some of whom have had real influence in politics (Robertson, Falwell, Dobson, etc.) -- to more than make up for all of Wright's douchebaggery, so I pretty much ignored him anyway.
706 | Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:01:01pm |
707 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:01:02pm |
re: #683 Obdicut
And why is that?
Can you make the accusation plain, please?
Absolutely. Wright is an embarrassment.
708 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:01:42pm |
re: #670 Renaissance_Man
I am not 'puzzled' as to why anyone supports anyone, just lacking in knowledge of the history of the politics in question. Where I'm from nobody has any dogs in the fight in the Middle East, and consequently Middle Eastern affairs are not often matters of great cultural and political impact. If that makes me sheltered, sorry to offend you.
Silly. You think I was offended?
Were are you from then? It might help the conversation.
709 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:01:50pm |
re: #707 swamprat
Absolutely. Wright is an embarrassment.
To himself, certainly. Other than that, what is you point?
710 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:01:57pm |
re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist
I disagree, overall, especially since the attacks of which you are speaking are not military ones.
that is in a way disturbing... it seems that those who would attack have learned not to take the risk of the retaliation a military attack would bring, death by a thousand cuts seem to be in fashion.
711 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:02:24pm |
re: #707 swamprat
He's a piece of fucking shit, but "embarrassment" can also be used.
712 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:02:45pm |
re: #709 Cato the Elder
He was obviously an embarrassment to Obama, otherwise he wouldnt have had to sever ties.
713 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:03:07pm |
re: #710 brookly red
that is in a way disturbing... it seems that those who would attack have learned not to take the risk of the retaliation a military attack would bring, death by a thousand cuts seem to be in fashion.
Ahem...it did not begin under Obama, and it will not stop if a Republican takes office in 2012.
714 | Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:03:39pm |
re: #543 Alkmyst
Yeah I figured it would induce this type of reaction, so much for listening to the other side of a debate.
I happen to have met her in person when she was here in Israel, and she was far from shreiking.
Suffice to say that when online, Pamela goes bat guano bonkers and makes herself look very bad.
715 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:03:45pm |
re: #712 TheMatrix31
He was obviously an embarrassment to Obama, otherwise he wouldnt have had to sever ties.
Yes, so again, what is your point?
716 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:03:58pm |
re: #666 Aceofwhat?
Naso - way to answer an honest question with an insult. Classy.
Renaissance Man - i'd search past entries from SFZ, Alouette, Ludwig Van Quixote, Marjorie, and Joo-Liz regarding the Jewish perspective on this topic. They won't agree on every single point, which means you'll be informed from a few different perspectives, but on the topic of Israel, I've found all of their POVs to be highly informed, and extremely level-headed.
I'd throw Obdicut onto that list.
717 | brookly red Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:04:01pm |
re: #713 Cato the Elder
Ahem...it did not begin under Obama, and it will not stop if a Republican takes office in 2012.
this is true, but when did I ever say it did?
718 | Bagua Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:04:23pm |
719 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:04:39pm |
re: #705 Lidane
See, I never got why he mattered. As an atheist, I looked at Wright and just saw another hellfire and brimstone preacher. I figure there are enough bugfuck crazy preachers on the hard right -- some of whom have had real influence in politics (Robertson, Falwell, Dobson, etc.) -- to more than make up for all of Wright's douchebaggery, so I pretty much ignored him anyway.
Obama took a lot of flack before he finally realized he had to do the bus thing with Wright. Had he done so immediately I may have voted differently; but of course then I thought Palin was a smart woman from up north.
720 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:05:21pm |
re: #715 Cato the Elder
The point is that he wasn't solely an embarrassment to himself, as you claimed in the post I responded to.
721 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:05:36pm |
re: #697 Naso Tang
Pandora's box is what we hope to open all the time. Sometime we do, sometimes we just end up punning.
No Pandora's boxes today, not for me anyway. This time I'm really going to try to get some work done, no more watching the Master Spy and jumping back in. :)
TTYL, lizards.
722 | Renaissance_Man Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:05:42pm |
re: #703 reine.de.tout
Charles also still has Nekama's Troll Hammer featured in resources.
That's not only funny, but more or less what I was looking for.
723 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:06:49pm |
re: #716 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd throw Obdicut onto that list.
ah, so true.
Obdicut - my bad. i have you on that list in my mind...thought i put you on there.
thanks, SFZ-
724 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:07:43pm |
re: #700 swamprat
He included something that was printed in the LA Times first. I don't think anyone would accuse Wright of having great judgement, but to claim that is support for Hamas's violence is a huge stretch.
The article itself is a bit of Hamas propaganda that is explicitly not a call to violence, it's a whitewash of Hamas. I can easily believe that Wright was dumb or naive enough to think it had any credibility, but the article is propaganda, not an honest representation of Hamas as violent.
re: #707 swamprat
I'm not the least bit embarrassed by Wright.
725 | NJDhockeyfan Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:07:43pm |
re: #719 Naso Tang
Obama took a lot of flack before he finally realized he had to do the bus thing with Wright. Had he done so immediately I may have voted differently; but of course then I thought Palin was a smart woman from up north.
He stood by Wright for a while before he threw Wright under the bus. It seemed like every day there was a new video of Wright spewing anti-American racist hate speeches. I could never understand why Obama waited so long to cut ties with Wright.
727 | TheMatrix31 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:08:56pm |
re: #725 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah, somewhere in the early 80s would have been nice.
Oh well, time for playoffs. Later.
728 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:09:24pm |
re: #600 CuriousLurker
If we're going to use "unpleasant collective truths" as the broad brush with which to paint large swaths of humanity, then we're on a slippery slope. If there are "no more racist groups than Arab Muslims" is it then acceptable to answer racism with racism? If so, then how can anyone claim moral high ground? Shall we just all roll around in the mud together?
No, but we should not pretend political correctness because we think we might get dirty.
729 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:09:58pm |
re: #720 TheMatrix31
The point is that he wasn't solely an embarrassment to himself, as you claimed in the post I responded to.
Wow. Brilliant.
Wright is no longer an embarrassment to anyone but himself. There. That clear enough for you?
So what is the point with this pointless discussion of Wright?
730 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:10:05pm |
re: #672 Naso Tang
So, since that is in essence what I said earlier, why did you down me upthread; assuming it wasn't because of the clothing uniform comment?
The clothing line didn't help, but the down-ding was because I understood you to be making the argument that the Arab world has historically been more antii-Semitic than Europe. If I misunderstood, I will swim back upstream and reverse myself.
731 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:10:18pm |
re: #723 Aceofwhat?
Oh, I don't think I really belong there in terms of actual Israeli politics, which I know little about. I actually know more about the politics in the Arab States surrounding Israel.
Basically, all I do is correct people when they talk about the struggle between Israel and Palestine, and remind them that even if the Palestinian state was magically created overnight with the 1967 borders or even more, that the attacks on Israel would not cease because the actual aggression towards Israel isn't "Palestinian", it's from the Arab Muslim world at large.
And I'd note that one of our most important allies in that region, Saudi Arabia, is one of the largest enemies of Israel and supporters of terror in that region.
733 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:11:03pm |
re: #725 NJDhockeyfan
He stood by Wright for a while before he threw Wright under the bus. It seemed like every day there was a new video of Wright spewing anti-American racist hate speeches. I could never understand why Obama waited so long to cut ties with Wright.
I had the same concerns about the President's associations as many, heck, probably most of the folks here prior to the election.
But Obama cannot have been expected to control Wright's attention-seeking behavior, or the coverage of him. THAT part of it was beyond Obama's control.
And as I said - from the way things have played out since the election, I've been relieved that the concerns at play at the time have not been borne out. Really. They haven't.
734 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:11:34pm |
re: #724 Obdicut
He included something that was printed in the LA Times first. I don't think anyone would accuse Wright of having great judgement, but to claim that is support for Hamas's violence is a huge stretch.
The article itself is a bit of Hamas propaganda that is explicitly not a call to violence, it's a whitewash of Hamas. I can easily believe that Wright was dumb or naive enough to think it had any credibility, but the article is propaganda, not an honest representation of Hamas as violent.
re: #707 swamprat
I'm not the least bit embarrassed by Wright.
I'm not in the least surprised.
735 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:11:35pm |
re: #728 Naso Tang
No, but we should not pretend political correctness because we think we might get dirty.
Then use a narrow brush...
736 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:12:12pm |
re: #734 swamprat
So first your accusation is that he's an embarrassment, and now you're not surprised that I'm not embarrassed.
You make very little sense on this issue.
737 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:13:06pm |
re: #690 CuriousLurker
I had the same thought but didn't want to go there and possibly open up a whole other Pandora's Box. Because, ummm, I supposed to be working. This place is like crack, dammit!
Ah, and you're hooked now! No getting away!
738 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:13:29pm |
re: #666 Aceofwhat?
Naso - way to answer an honest question with an insult. Classy.
When I intend to insult you will know it.
739 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:14:14pm |
re: #692 NJDhockeyfan
His attitude toward Israel is not surprising.
How would you define his attitude toward Israel, and why isn't it surprising?
I agree with some other posters here that he's been brusque and bristly working with the Israeli govt., but I don't see much beyond that.
740 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:14:34pm |
re: #732 Aceofwhat?
Heh. And likewise, if Israel did what Israel would never do, and actually turned into what its enemies accuse it of being, and drove every Palestinian out and occupied the full territory-- again, there would not be peace for Israel.
Israel is a wiser nation than many others because they know that they have no truly free choices facing them. All paths have consequences.
741 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:14:43pm |
re: #690 CuriousLurker
I had the same thought but didn't want to go there and possibly open up a whole other Pandora's Box. Because, ummm, I supposed to be working. This place is like crack, dammit!
I had to retire from my job to make sure I got my daily dose of LGF.
742 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:14:56pm |
Meanwhile back in old blighty, Edmund Standing comments on another bigoted attack on a mosque:
...
(Manchester Evening News)
“Then at about 2am last Saturday two men got into the grounds. One is on film throwing bricks which had been taken from a wall of a neighbouring building. They attacked the building twice in about 20 minutes.
“Three sections of the windows were smashed and bricks were found inside the office of the mosque. We had another incident in March when eggs were thrown at people leaving the mosque by people driving past.”
I’m reminded of a comment by BNP Councillor Pat Richardson:
‘A brick through the window is a British method … of showing displeasure‘.
743 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:15:37pm |
re: #700 swamprat
Yes. Everything Wright said is true...except for us making AIDS, or what ever. But he neglected the part where we went to war for Blacks to be free, or that the atomic bombs we dropped saved lives on both sides, or anything that is positive. And he openly supported Hamas...which is by definition supportting violence and terror.
You're talking about the LA Times reprint?
744 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:15:41pm |
re: #719 Naso Tang
Obama took a lot of flack before he finally realized he had to do the bus thing with Wright. Had he done so immediately I may have voted differently; but of course then I thought Palin was a smart woman from up north.
You really didn't listen to the speech he made.
745 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:15:56pm |
re: #736 Obdicut
My "accusation" was about WindUpBirds' post.
Your feelings about Wright are not surprising.
Hope that clears everything up.
746 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:16:29pm |
re: #733 reine.de.tout
I had the same concerns about the President's associations as many, heck, probably most of the folks here prior to the election.
But Obama cannot have been expected to control Wright's attention-seeking behavior, or the coverage of him. THAT part of it was beyond Obama's control.
And as I said - from the way things have played out since the election, I've been relieved that the concerns at play at the time have not been borne out. Really. They haven't.
agree completely. we on the right side of the spectrum, as Lidane intimated, barely have enough solid ground from which to ask that Obama not be in lockstep with the dear Reverend. there's plenty of wacky religious snot to clean up on our side of the aisle before we get pickier, IMHO...
747 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:16:55pm |
re: #738 Naso Tang
When I intend to insult you will know it.
All the more clumsy that it happened without your knowledge, then.
748 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:17:06pm |
re: #730 SanFranciscoZionist
The clothing line didn't help, but the down-ding was because I understood you to be making the argument that the Arab world has historically been more antii-Semitic than Europe. If I misunderstood, I will swim back upstream and reverse myself.
Actually it has been, if you discount the Nazi aberration, and I include the time period after WWII.
Please don't tell me that the Arab Muslim obsession with Jews is based on the Palestinians.
749 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:18:28pm |
Hey all.
I missed out on the last thread. I have a question.
Is saying "I like ham" a particular insult to teabaggers that I am not aware of?
Or is it just a case of the humorless being offended?
750 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:18:28pm |
re: #699 Cato the Elder
But Wright would not have been veep. Palin gave you no pause, I take it?
She gave me pause, but I liked McCain, once.
751 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:19:34pm |
re: #745 swamprat
WindUpBird is also, I am very certain, not embarrassed by Wright. I'm not sure what convinced you this is the case, but it really isn't so.
Anyway: The reprint of the LA Times article was in no way an advocation to violence, just a display of Wright's ignorance, naiveté, and possibly the anti-semitism that's unfortunately so common in the black community. Wright is really no longer relevant, as Obama has taken plenty of large actions while in office that allow us to judge him. Bringing him up repeatedly is irritating, not embarrassing, and when tied to people like Farrakhan, it really does just seem like an attempt to associate "Obama" and "Crazy black man".
752 | albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:19:40pm |
I know advanced first aid, CPR, and the Heimlich Maneuver...just in case
753 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:20:29pm |
re: #748 Naso Tang
Actually it has been, if you discount the Nazi aberration, and I include the time period after WWII.
Please don't tell me that the Arab Muslim obsession with Jews is based on the Palestinians.
Are you really saying that if we want to understand anti-semitism in Europe we should ignore the 'aberration' of the holocaust?
754 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:20:53pm |
re: #738 Naso Tang
When I intend to insult you will know it.
and don't argue with the poster who nabbed post #666 unless you wanna be a toad...
go to sleep little babe
go to sleep little babe
your momma's gone away and your daddy's gonna stay
didn't leave nobody but the baby
go to sleep little babe
go to sleep little babe
everybody's gone in the cotton and the corn
didn't leave nobody but the baby
755 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:21:15pm |
re: #752 albusteve
I know advanced first aid, CPR, and the Heimlich Maneuver...just in case
Yes, but, do you know the jitterbug???
How ya doing?
756 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:21:21pm |
re: #735 Aceofwhat?
Then use a narrow brush...
I thought I did, in the context discussed. Perhaps we have different glasses.
757 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:21:48pm |
re: #742 Jimmah
Sorry, forgot the link to the full article - [Link: hurryupharry.org...]
758 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:22:22pm |
re: #710 brookly red
that is in a way disturbing... it seems that those who would attack have learned not to take the risk of the retaliation a military attack would bring, death by a thousand cuts seem to be in fashion.
Uh, mayyyyybe?
The attacks being referred to are worldwide. Does an attack by a racist white kid in London count the same as an attack by a Muslim kid with connections to political organizations? Without? This is a very hazy area.
759 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:22:23pm |
OT but,
Limbaugh caught in yet another lie. Yes, the Rushter was trying to make the mine disaster into anti-union propaganda. It turns out as usual, the fat peice of filth was lying through his teeth.
[Link: blog.aflcio.org...]
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
760 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:22:25pm |
re: #744 Stanley Sea
You really didn't listen to the speech he made.
What speech. The one he was finally forced to make?/
761 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:22:27pm |
re: #746 Aceofwhat?
agree completely. we on the right side of the spectrum, as Lidane intimated, barely have enough solid ground from which to ask that Obama not be in lockstep with the dear Reverend. there's plenty of wacky religious snot to clean up on our side of the aisle before we get pickier, IMHO...
gawd, Ace, I'm so glad you're here!
It's nice not to feel so . . . alone.
762 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:22:28pm |
And now I have an announcement that all will enjoy:
Right now I spy two lizards having sex on my porch.
763 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:23:14pm |
re: #748 Naso Tang
I am really sick and tired of people excusing Europe's record of antisemitism in order to attack Muslims.
Europe wins the goddamn prize. They win the Inquisition prize, the Crusades prize, the first and second Inquisition prizes, the pogroms, the holocausts, and the systemic ghettoization and persecution of Jews throughout the ages prize.
The Middle East had many, many periods of violence and persecution of Jews as well, but never to the extent present in Europe, and perpetrated in the Middle East by Europeans.
Hell, there's also this little thing called the Diaspora that the Romans were responsible for-- that wasn't very nice.
764 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:23:46pm |
re: #762 Stanley Sea
And now I have an announcement that all will enjoy:
Right now I spy two lizards having sex on my porch.
You're such a perv.
/
765 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:24:16pm |
re: #762 Stanley Sea
And now I have an announcement that all will enjoy:
Right now I spy two lizards having sex on my porch.
Video?
766 | albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:24:28pm |
re: #755 Varek Raith
Yes, but, do you know the jitterbug???
How ya doing?
I've known a few bugs....I'm doin fine
767 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:24:44pm |
re: #719 Naso Tang
Obama took a lot of flack before he finally realized he had to do the bus thing with Wright. Had he done so immediately I
maymight have voted differently; but of course then I thought Palin was a smart woman from up north.
FTFY.
Watch those counterfactual conditionals, dude!
768 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:24:54pm |
I'm quite certain that being Jewish in Europe in the past 1000+ years sucked.
769 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:25:27pm |
re: #767 Cato the Elder
FTFY.
Watch those counterfactual conditionals, dude!
Oh, crap.
Now I have to go look up "may" and "might", and hope to hell I never abuse them in Cato's sight.
sheesh.
770 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:25:39pm |
re: #753 Jimmah
Are you really saying that if we want to understand anti-semitism in Europe we should ignore the 'aberration' of the holocaust?
Good grief. If you don't think the holocaust was an aberration in human history and you wish to diminish it to the same level as social discrimination; be my guest.
771 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:25:41pm |
re: #761 reine.de.tout
gawd, Ace, I'm so glad you're here!
It's nice not to feel so . . . alone.
Reine, dear, if everyone was as brilliant as us, we couldn't be in the top 1%...
(oh yes i did)
772 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:25:55pm |
Found the Obama interview link, FWIW.
Your text to link...
Lotta interesting stuff going on back then.
773 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:25:57pm |
re: #769 reine.de.tout
Oh, crap.
Now I have to go look up "may" and "might", and hope to hell I never abuse them in Cato's sight.
sheesh.
Where's the fun in that?
774 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:26:57pm |
re: #771 Aceofwhat?
Reine, dear, if everyone was as brilliant as us, we couldn't be in the top 1%...
(oh yes i did)
ha!
true, true, so true.
775 | albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:27:52pm |
re: #769 reine.de.tout
Oh, crap.
Now I have to go look up "may" and "might", and hope to hell I never abuse them in Cato's sight.
sheesh.
language is meant to be twisted and abused....see that gal with the pink hair and spike heels?----->
that's Cato
776 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:27:56pm |
re: #765 reine.de.tout
Video?
They saw me watching, got embarrassed and ran away.
It was classic though - I see the mating dance all the time, but never lucky enough to see them in action.
777 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:28:04pm |
re: #743 SanFranciscoZionist
There are a couple of sources. And general antisemitism. There was some confusion because there are multiple "Wrights".
778 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:28:06pm |
re: #768 Varek Raith
I'm quite certain that being Jewish in Europe in the past 1000+ years sucked.
Yeah. They were never able to be successful in any way at all, were they?
780 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:29:24pm |
re: #778 Naso Tang
Yeah. They were never able to be successful in any way at all, were they?
I'm saying that Europeans were certainly very anti Semitic for a very long time. Still are, in some parts.
781 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:29:41pm |
re: #616 TheMatrix31
Can't we just get back to missing apostrophes?
782 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:29:44pm |
783 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:29:48pm |
re: #778 Naso Tang
Yeah. They were never able to be successful in any way at all, were they?
you're kidding, right? that was sarcasm, right?
784 | Van Helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:30:07pm |
PIMF
Obama and the Constitution
Does anyone remember if this was picked up anywhere else?
785 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:30:32pm |
re: #778 Naso Tang
Well, sometimes we were. On my mom's side, my family during the 1500s in Spain were doing pretty good. Then they were forced to either convert, die, or be enslaved, their property was stolen, and they arrived in the New World in chain.
It's really nice how often the Europeans let us become successful before stealing everything we owned.
786 | Gus Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:30:51pm |
Here's an idea. Jeremiah Wright was the pastor for the Trinity United Church of Christ. The congregation is primarily located in the Southeast side of Chicago. The idea is to all those that feel that Wright was out of line with his sermons would be to trade your lives for those that attend the church and live as they do in Southeast Chicago for one year. That is to walk a year in their shoes.
Just to give you and idea of the neighborhood have a peek at the latest news coming from the Southeast side of Chicago.
2 people shot on Southeast Side
Girl, 13, sexually assaulted on SE Side
Men Try To Abduct 2 Girls On Southeast Side
Woman's body found in lake on South East SideGang tensions on the city's Southeast Side ended in a hail of bullets
787 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:31:24pm |
re: #748 Naso Tang
Actually it has been, if you discount the Nazi aberration, and I include the time period after WWII.
Please don't tell me that the Arab Muslim obsession with Jews is based on the Palestinians.
I disagree profoundly. The Nazis were a culmination, not an aberration.
788 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:31:33pm |
re: #780 Varek Raith
I'm saying that Europeans were certainly very anti Semitic for a very long time. Still are, in some parts.
These kind of statements could make a Martian think biases and bigotry is exclusively felt by Jews.
789 | Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:31:55pm |
re: #765 reine.de.tout
Hey how are ya? Got photog studio news...
790 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:32:09pm |
792 | albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:32:18pm |
794 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:32:27pm |
re: #788 Naso Tang
These kind of statements could make a Martian think biases and bigotry is exclusively felt by Jews.
As a Martian, I got no clue what you're talking about.
;)
795 | reine.de.tout Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:32:54pm |
796 | Ayeless in Ghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:33:33pm |
re: #770 Naso Tang
Good grief. If you don't think the holocaust was an aberration in human history and you wish to diminish it to the same level as social discrimination; be my guest.
No, the bigotry that made the holocaust possible is not an aberration in human history - you'd have to know nothing of our history to think that. The holocaust is part of that history of bigotry; to try to exclude it from a discussion of that subject on the grounds of its scale is insane.
797 | albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:33:52pm |
re: #794 Varek Raith
As a Martian, I got no clue what you're talking about.
;)
he's speaking in diphthongs again
798 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:34:31pm |
re: #751 Obdicut
Good of you to know how WindUpBird feels.
I find myself defending Obama about as often as I go the other way.
How about you?
You can check this very thread for an example.
799 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:34:39pm |
re: #768 Varek Raith
I'm quite certain that being Jewish in Europe in the past 1000+ years sucked.
It did. In many, many ways.
800 | Varek Raith Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:35:10pm |
801 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:36:06pm |
re: #778 Naso Tang
Yeah. They were never able to be successful in any way at all, were they?
They were also 'successful' in the Muslim world.
802 | albusteve Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:36:06pm |
803 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:36:51pm |
re: #796 Jimmah
No, the bigotry that made the holocaust possible is not an aberration in human history - you'd have to know nothing of our history to think that. The holocaust is part of that history of bigotry; to try to exclude it from a discussion of that subject on the grounds of its scale is insane.
Well, when one believes that any form of "success" is proof of lack of discrimination/bigotry rather than a remarkable story in the face of adversity, sanity is scarce...
804 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:36:53pm |
805 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:39:40pm |
re: #798 swamprat
I have no idea what relevance that has. And I'm not speaking for WindUpBird-- but I'll bet you a dozen donuts that he's not embarrassed by Wright.
I find myself defending Obama about as often as I go the other way.
How about you?
What on earth are you talking about? If you're asking if I criticize Obama, yes, I have, and I do. But the Wright issue-- which is what we're talking about-- is a lame, lame issue to criticize him over in the present time. It's nutty to focus on an event in the past and to continue to misrepresent the events in order to use it as a line of attack.
806 | Political Atheist Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:40:20pm |
re: #795 reine.de.tout
Ordered a new camera, the Canon SLR that does HD video. Vimeo has some...That lets me include video for commercial clients and take better jewelry shots. A similar model to the the Canon SLR camera that was used to shoot the season ending episode of House.
These new cameras are broacast quality HD, small, and very affordable compared to a news camera or a "Red Camera", the current favorite of digital video filmmakers.
807 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:40:51pm |
re: #805 Obdicut
I have no idea what relevance that has. And I'm not speaking for WindUpBird-- but I'll bet you a dozen donuts that he's not embarrassed by Wright.
What on earth are you talking about? If you're asking if I criticize Obama, yes, I have, and I do. But the Wright issue-- which is what we're talking about-- is a lame, lame issue to criticize him over in the present time. It's nutty to focus on an event in the past and to continue to misrepresent the events in order to use it as a line of attack.
SPEAK OF THE DEVIL AND HE SCREECHES TO A HALT IN HIS VW
808 | Decatur Deb Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:41:13pm |
Evening, all. I'm back from a weekend playing roadie for a bicycle criterion race and the annual Cheaha Challenge, a 100 mi climb to highest point in Alabama. Daughter finished in under 7 hrs. On topic, one of our vendor's signs spelled "balloon" wrong.
809 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:41:32pm |
re: #807 WindUpBird
Dude! Tell me you've read all of Sam and Max: Freelance Police.
"Speak of the devil!"
"Okay! The devil! The devil!"
810 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:42:12pm |
re: #808 Decatur Deb
How? Too many letters, or too few, or a more creative error?
811 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:42:50pm |
re: #805 Obdicut
I agree. To misrepresent something, and then to use that misrepresentation as an attack, is wrong.
812 | Decatur Deb Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:42:51pm |
814 | Decatur Deb Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:43:41pm |
815 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:43:52pm |
re: #811 swamprat
And that is what was done by saying that Farrakhan was Obama's mentor, it's what was done by saying that Wright is his mentor, and it's what you did when you said that Wright advocated violence.
816 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:45:33pm |
re: #807 WindUpBird
He asked what my accusation was. I really did not intend any ill feelings towards you. Although we frequently view things differently.
817 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:46:36pm |
re: #815 Obdicut
And it was done when Wozzablog said I called him a liar and you piled on.
818 | ryannon Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:47:31pm |
819 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:48:10pm |
re: #817 swamprat
And it was done when Wozzablog said I called him a liar and you piled on.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree. And get the hell over it. Bringing it up again, and again making statements that are incredibly silly-- like reprinting the LA Times article being direct support for Hamas's violence-- is not going to do anything positive.
820 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:48:16pm |
re: #815 Obdicut
You are quoting an incomplete quoting of an article I posted, and I addressed the commenter who made that mistake.
821 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:50:14pm |
re: #819 Obdicut
So let us agree to be polite, and that should include wozzablog who started this and has thus far lacked to weigh in.
822 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:50:29pm |
re: #820 swamprat
You are quoting an incomplete quoting of an article I posted, and I addressed the commenter who made that mistake.
Dude-- we are now beating a dead horse that is dressed in a little jockey outfit and sitting on the dead horse that is the Wright issue.
I'm sorry if you felt piled on. I do not feel that I went too far in any way and I do think that your statements on this are irresponsible in their inaccuracy.
823 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:52:04pm |
re: #745 swamprat
My "accusation" was about WindUpBirds' post.
Your feelings about Wright are not surprising.
Hope that clears everything up.
If you wanna know how I feel about Wright, I think he's a small time Chicago power player, an important guy to be freinds with if you're a black politician in Chicago, and creating this fiction that Wright is in any way pulling Obama's strings, or going to the White House all the time (like that reject upthread said, quoting PAMELA GELLER of all things) that Obama is in like Flynn with the most goofy and crazy things Wright says is dog-whistle racism. I think he's a firey preacher, andsays some crazy stuff, and says some okay stuff. Either way, in 2010, he's completely, utterly irrelevant. We can play dumbass association games with every President ever, and we'll find all kinds of juicy nuggets. it's boring, it's not interesting, and it's a thing bad talk radio broadcasters need to bring up to keep weak people listening.
We don't even turn our heads when a guy like Pat Robertson, who does business directly with dictators, blames queers for 9/11, says the most insane stuff outside of Stormfront, he had all this political access? Not a peep. Wright isn't a hundreth as significant as Robertson is, but he's black and some sleazy operative dug through a thousand hours of footage to find one piece of VHS footage, so suddenly the whole country's real interested in that guy. This country still has a long way to go, is all I can say.
Bringing up really weak association politics is a sure sign of a lack of ideas, a lack of intellectual honesty, and a lack of any ability to challenge the man on his policies, on the facts.
If you want to know what Wright really is, he's a useful distraction that right-wingers employ to crank up that old-time Southern Strategy tribalist politics and draw attention from the fact that they have no ideas.
824 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:52:18pm |
re: #809 Obdicut
Dude! Tell me you've read all of Sam and Max: Freelance Police.
"Speak of the devil!"
"Okay! The devil! The devil!"
I played the first game aloooong time ago. :D
825 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:54:36pm |
re: #822 Obdicut
I only want to make it clear that I never considered Farrakhan to be Obamas' mentor. That sort of rhetoric is ridiculous, even from me.
826 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:56:28pm |
re: #749 LudwigVanQuixote
Hey all.
I missed out on the last thread. I have a question.
Is saying "I like ham" a particular insult to teabaggers that I am not aware of?
Or is it just a case of the humorless being offended?
It's a bunch of nasty violent people who are mad they're being made fun of, and don't see any other way to deal with it than attacking a dude.
827 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:56:32pm |
re: #825 swamprat
That's why I made it very clear what I was saying that you did-- which was represent the LA Times article that whitewashes Hamas as something that promotes violence.
828 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:56:35pm |
re: #823 WindUpBird
Permission to save and repost? You said it all.
829 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:56:45pm |
re: #823 WindUpBird
I can find nothing in your entire paragraph to disagree with.
I must be slipping.
830 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:56:56pm |
re: #824 WindUpBird
The comic books are funnier and the art is much better. Read 'em!
831 | Stanghazi Sun, Apr 18, 2010 4:57:41pm |
re: #825 swamprat
I only want to make it clear that I never considered Farrakhan to be Obamas' mentor. That sort of rhetoric is ridiculous, even from me.
That sort of rhetoric only showed up recently in my memory. Here @ LGF he's been mentioned the last week over and over again.
833 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:10:41pm |
re: #796 Jimmah
No, the bigotry that made the holocaust possible is not an aberration in human history - you'd have to know nothing of our history to think that. The holocaust is part of that history of bigotry; to try to exclude it from a discussion of that subject on the grounds of its scale is insane.
So my arguments are insane now? I tried to Exclude nothing from the discussion.
As a result of the holocaust and the subsequent insanity in the Middle East, discrimination against Jews has been in the forefront of our political history since at least WWII.
However when people start thinking that Jews are the only people with a serious history of discrimination, then we do have a problem, and it is not of my making.
834 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:13:40pm |
re: #833 Naso Tang
However when people start thinking that Jews are the only people with a serious history of discrimination, then we do have a problem, and it is not of my making.
Why on earth do you think there's any danger of that, though?
835 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:16:07pm |
re: #833 Naso Tang
Ok. Maybe we can go easy. We can make the same point without the the invectives. I know tempers run high..(God, do I know it!), but it (anger)
does not lead to any good thing.
Trust me.
836 | Aceofwhat? Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:20:06pm |
re: #834 Obdicut
Why on earth do you think there's any danger of that, though?
yep, i'm not following either...
837 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:27:17pm |
re: #791 Obdicut
What the fuck does that mean?
It simply means that Armenians don't get enough attention anymore, if you want a sarcastic reply.
This discussion is getting out of hand. The original issue was my contention, initiated by someone, that the Arab (and Persian) Muslim societies have a fundamental biase, hatred, of Jews that transcends simple basic social bigotry.
Now we are getting into scoring points for who was treated worse where and when.
Pointless.
838 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:32:17pm |
re: #837 Naso Tang
Now we are getting into scoring points for who was treated worse where and when.
Only you are concentrating on the 'who' part. Nobody else is. And you are completely wrong to try to say that Europe's history of antisemitism isn't the primary one. It is.
839 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:36:02pm |
re: #837 Naso Tang
That is interesting. I remember hearing that (supposedly) *itler said no one would care about the Jews because no one had cared about what had happened to the Armenians.
/citation needed
840 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:49:20pm |
re: #838 Obdicut
Only you are concentrating on the 'who' part. Nobody else is. And you are completely wrong to try to say that Europe's history of antisemitism isn't the primary one. It is.
Now you are scoring points again. Are you saying it was Europeans, who had plenty of other biases in the past, were the ones to infect Islamic religious beliefs against Jews?
841 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 5:57:01pm |
re: #840 Naso Tang
How am I 'scoring points' by correctly pointing out that antisemitism in Europe was systematic and terrible for millennia, including the mass kings of Jews throughout that time period, the theft of property, and the withholding of rights?
I'm making no accusations that Europeans are the source of all antisemitism in the world, so your question is absurd.
842 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:09:27pm |
re: #841 Obdicut
We are obviously speaking a cross purposes here. Let's give it a rest.
843 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:14:28pm |
re: #842 Naso Tang
I don't think we are. You're wrong when you assert that Europe was not as antisemitic as the Arab world. Europe takes the historical cake in antisemitism.
Other than that, you seem very close to an accusation that Jews are somehow hogging the persecution spotlight.
844 | Eclectic Infidel Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:19:22pm |
Severe fear mongering on Barbara "the babe in the bunker" Simpson's show on her radio program, KSFO San Francisco. She's interviewing people who used to live under communism. I just tuned in and have listened to 2 women. According to both of them, the US is on the path to socialism/communism/marxism BECAUSE OF President Obama. Both said over and over that events happening now ARE JUST LIKE the communist revolution. KSFO knows no shame.
845 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:40:19pm |
re: #843 Obdicut
I don't think we are. You're wrong when you assert that Europe was not as antisemitic as the Arab world. Europe takes the historical cake in antisemitism.
Other than that, you seem very close to an accusation that Jews are somehow hogging the persecution spotlight.
Actually, I started by speaking of the present, not the past, then got sucked into the past. I don't have the numbers of how many Jews were left in the Middle East, where they originated, versus how many were in Europe during the last century, but I am of the impression that persecution or not, they did better in Europe.
I was simply stating that antisemitism is inextricably linked to Muslim culture in the Middle East today, and it doesn't originate with the state of Israel.
As to hogging the spotlight, in view of the holocaust it should be in the spotlight, always, but as an issue of everyday discrimination against minorities, that has existed in all human history and is no worse a fate for the individuals in smaller groups than for those in larger ones.
846 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 6:50:08pm |
re: #845 Naso Tang
but I am of the impression that persecution or not, they did better in Europe.
You're wrong.
I was simply stating that antisemitism is inextricably linked to Muslim culture in the Middle East today, and it doesn't originate with the state of Israel.
No, you weren't. You directly asserted that there was a greater history of antisemitism in the Middle East than in Europe, and that is wrong.
It is also not inextricably linked. It can be extricated.
847 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:07:16pm |
re: #846 Obdicut
No, you weren't. You directly asserted that there was a greater history of antisemitism in the Middle East than in Europe, and that is wrong.
It is also not inextricably linked. It can be extricated.
Why are there essentially no Jewish communities left in the Middle East, but many in Europe and elsewhere?
In any case, I repeat, that I was originally making a statement of the present.
As to extricating; are you suggesting rewriting the Koran?
848 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:11:58pm |
re: #847 Naso Tang
Why are there essentially no Jewish communities left in the Middle East, but many in Europe and elsewhere?
Because of the present, and because of Israel; there are a lot of Jews in the Middle East. They're in Israel.
In any case, I repeat, that I was originally making a statement of the present.
But you disagreed with SFZ's statement about history. You either misread it very badly, and continued to misread it, or you really were asserting that.
849 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:13:43pm |
re: #847 Naso Tang
As to extricating; are you suggesting rewriting the Koran?
Oh and give me a break: it's religion. It can change. They can have a reformation.
850 | webevintage Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:24:50pm |
re: #772 Van Helsing
Found the Obama interview link, FWIW.
Your text to link...Lotta interesting stuff going on back then.
Wow you guys really got worked up over that.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
851 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:27:04pm |
re: #848 Obdicut
Because of the present, and because of Israel; there are a lot of Jews in the Middle East. They're in Israel.
Huh. You think that addresses what I said?
But you disagreed with SFZ's statement about history. You either misread it very badly, and continued to misread it, or you really were asserting that.
Maybe one or the other. At this time I am addressing what we are talking about more recently, and you continue to tell me what I am saying regardless of what I try to tell you I am.
Oh and give me a break: it's religion. It can change. They can have a reformation.
Good grief. If you were a Muslim and suggested that you would have a price on your head overnight.
852 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:34:51pm |
re: #847 Naso Tang
As to extricating; are you suggesting rewriting the Koran?
Annnnd there it is. I knew this was going to come up sooner or later. Before you jump into exegesis of the Qur'an, can you please tell me if you 1.) have studied Qur'anic Arabic, 2.) have read the entire Qur'an, and 3.) understand the context in which each surah (chapter) was revealed, 4.) have read books of hadith (and if so, which ones), and 5.) have read a tafsir of the Qur'an (again, if so, which one).
Better yet, here's some very basic stuff before you start quoting the ayas (verses) that I know you're going to quote: Without going to Wikipedia, please list the 5 pillars of Islam, then describe the central concept that Islam is based on and how that relates to the Muslim world view. This is Islam 101.
853 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:47:14pm |
re: #851 Naso Tang
Good grief. If you were a Muslim and suggested that you would have a price on your head overnight.
That is absurd, at least within mainstream Islam. There has been ongoing ijma' (consensus) for centuries, with different rulings arrived at based on the practical needs of Muslims living in various places, times, and circumstances.
854 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:50:35pm |
re: #852 CuriousLurker
Yes I've seen some of those academic/theological arguments, but they are irrelevant to the reality.
I know how it is interpreted and quoted by the loudest of the preachers in Islam. Your academics are irrelevant in that context unless you are going to stand up there and argue with them in a mosque in Mecca.
855 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 7:56:34pm |
856 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:01:51pm |
re: #854 Naso Tang
Yes I've seen some of those academic/theological arguments, but they are irrelevant to the reality.
I know how it is interpreted and quoted by the loudest of the preachers in Islam. Your academics are irrelevant in that context unless you are going to stand up there and argue with them in a mosque in Mecca.
And it was irrelevant to argue against the Catholic church during its heyday, too-- what's your point? It doesn't point to anything about Islam as a religion being different. They need Enlightenment values to knock religion off its pedestal, like we had.
857 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:05:37pm |
re: #855 swamprat
re: #854 Naso Tang
This guy is not a mere academic on this subject. It is something he has intimate knowledge of. Ask him something and you may have a chance to learn.
But don't ask me, I'm still stymied about the difference between Sunni and Shia.
In that case CL, let me state that it is not my desire to bash religion here but neither will I be politically correct in choosing my arguments if I am pressed.
We see a lot of flack here against "Conservatives" for tolerating the loonies in their midst, and I mean their leaders as much as the illiterate. I don't think religious issues should be treated any different if they are discussed.
However I would like to ask you a question. Are you a Muslim by birth, or conversion?
858 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:13:30pm |
re: #856 Obdicut
And it was irrelevant to argue against the Catholic church during its heyday, too-- what's your point? It doesn't point to anything about Islam as a religion being different. They need Enlightenment values to knock religion off its pedestal, like we had.
That is so general a statement I don't know how to respond.
Muslims today believe they are enlightened. How do you propose changing the literal word of Allah? There is a big difference between deciding that words are inspired by god and believing they are literal quotes.
859 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:17:44pm |
re: #854 Naso Tang
Yes I've seen some of those academic/theological arguments, but they are irrelevant to the reality.
I know how it is interpreted and quoted by the loudest of the preachers in Islam. Your academics are irrelevant in that context unless you are going to stand up there and argue with them in a mosque in Mecca.
Those those academic/theological arguments may be irrelevant to you, but they aren't to most Muslims. You're saying that it is interpreted according to the loudest preachers you have heard. You're clearly not Muslim, so I have to assume that your clearly limited knowledge of Islam comes from living in the Gulf for some years as an outsider looking in and/or listening to whatever looney tunes extremsits you've heard howling at the moon as they issue fatwas that they're not in any way qualified to issue.
As for Mecca, why would I need to go argue in a mosque there? There are scholars (not the same as what you call "preachers") who specialize in ijma' for those living in the West in general, in America in particular, and right on down to the imam at the local neighborhood mosque (to deal with the specific local issues & personal issues of the members their congregations).
When you can demonstrate that you have a grasp of even the most basic Islamic tenets, and when you've got an argument better than "Well that's the reality that I've seen, therefore I'm going to declare that it's the reality for an entire religion of over 1.5 billion people, the vast majority of whom aren't even Arab," then we can discuss things further. Until then, I'm afraid that having an informed discussion with you about anything related to Islam will be impossible.
Stick a fork in me—I'm done.
860 | van helsing Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:18:01pm |
re: #850 webevintage
Wow you guys really got worked up over that.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
The recording linked to has nothing to do with Drudge or any other interpretation. It is Obama speaking.
861 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:25:13pm |
re: #859 CuriousLurker
So it comes down to the theology and realities in the news every day be damned.
Sounds kind of like the responses we have been hearing from the Vatican in response to criticism about child rape.
I'm sorry your done. Your choice.
863 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:35:05pm |
re: #857 Naso Tang
In that case CL, let me state that it is not my desire to bash religion here but neither will I be politically correct in choosing my arguments if I am pressed.
That's fine, but if you're going to make certain wide ranging statements as if they're fact instead of personal opinion/experience, then you need to be prepared to back them up.
We see a lot of flack here against "Conservatives" for tolerating the loonies in their midst, and I mean their leaders as much as the illiterate. I don't think religious issues should be treated any different if they are discussed.
Read my previous post. My leaders—and the leaders of most law-abiding, decent Muslims in the world—are NOT some screechy Wahhabi fundamentalists living in Saudi Arabia (I've met many Saudis I've that loathe them and their "morals police"), nor are they some semi-literate mullahs living in caves in Afghanistan, nor are they some terrorists running around issuing fatwas that they have no business issuing.
//Perhaps if we could wean ourselves from the dependency on ME oil that puts so many petro-dollars in the pockets of dictators in the ME and helps them export their fundamentalism (and helps them support other dictators), then maybe their people would have a half a chance of standing up to them and fighting back.
However I would like to ask you a question. Are you a Muslim by birth, or conversion?
I'm a convert. Going on 20 years. And, no, I didn't convert through marriage in case you're wondering.
864 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:50:34pm |
re: #863 CuriousLurker
Read my previous post. My leaders—and the leaders of most law-abiding, decent Muslims in the world—are NOT some screechy Wahhabi fundamentalists living in Saudi Arabia (I've met many Saudis I've that loathe them and their "morals police"), nor are they some semi-literate mullahs living in caves in Afghanistan, nor are they some terrorists running around issuing fatwas that they have no business issuing.
For what it's worth, it is hardly only Saudi Arabia, and since it needs to be spelled out to you I have never said that all Muslims are what you describe above, but you sure seem to be just about as sensitive to criticism, implied or specific.
What is it in your theology that prevents you from forming a new version of Islam then, which clearly disavows all the primitive and violent attributes that we see so much of, even in the birthplace of the religion?
...As Obdicut seems to think is so achievable?
865 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:52:30pm |
re: #858 Naso Tang
Do you just not know what the Enlightenment was, or something?
Otherwise I have no fucking clue how your response makes any sense.
866 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:01:07pm |
re: #861 Naso Tang
So it comes down to the theology and realities in the news every day be damned.
Sounds kind of like the responses we have been hearing from the Vatican in response to criticism about child rape.
Seriously? You saw it on the news, so it must be true? So, again, because you're not personally aware of any Muslims speaking out against hate or terrorism, then it's not happening, right?
And the media has no vested interest in presenting the most frightening pictures of Muslims they can find, right? Again, there are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, yet I see very few positive images of or stories about Arab Muslims in the media. I wonder why? It must be because there aren't any rational, tolerant, "normal" Arab Muslims, right?
I wonder how many advertisers would get on board if they started doing stories about Ahmed the widowed baker who works hard every day and helps people whenever he can, or Khadijah the happily married school teacher who goes home and bakes cookie for her kids. Not many would be my guess.
867 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:07:13pm |
re: #865 Obdicut
Do you just not know what the Enlightenment was, or something?
Otherwise I have no fucking clue how your response makes any sense.
re: #865 Obdicut
Do you just not know what the Enlightenment was, or something?
Otherwise I have no fucking clue how your response makes any sense.
Are you being bloody minded just for the hell of it, or do you suddenly just get a kick out of using 4 letter words as arguments?
That you can't make sense of what I said says more about you than me, and it is you who are getting aggressively indignant when you think you hear anything you don't like. Why don't you just stick to downdings?
868 | Achilles Tang Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:12:25pm |
re: #866 CuriousLurker
Seriously? You saw it on the news, so it must be true? So, again, because you're not personally aware of any Muslims speaking out against hate or terrorism, then it's not happening, right?
And the media has no vested interest in presenting the most frightening pictures of Muslims they can find, right? Again, there are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, yet I see very few positive images of or stories about Arab Muslims in the media. I wonder why? It must be because there aren't any rational, tolerant, "normal" Arab Muslims, right?
I wonder how many advertisers would get on board if they started doing stories about Ahmed the widowed baker who works hard every day and helps people whenever he can, or Khadijah the happily married school teacher who goes home and bakes cookie for her kids. Not many would be my guess.
I am sure you noticed that you changed the subject again, and try to imply I am saying something I didn't.
Goodnight.
869 | Obdicut Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:13:10pm |
re: #867 Naso Tang
I swear. A lot of people do.
That you can't make sense of what I said says more about you than me, and it is you who are getting aggressively indignant when you think you hear anything you don't like. Why don't you just stick to downdings?
No, it really doesn't. Englightenment values doesn't have the same meaning as 'enlightened' in the sense you used it. Europeans used to be a bunch of religious zealots until the Enlightenment happened and brave, brave, brave men gave their all to change their societies, one after another. And even then, there is still enough religious insanity brewing in the background to clearly show that we could slip into it again-- the Dominionists are real.
The Muslim world needs an Enlightenment. It needs to go through the process that Christianity did. In many places, as CuriousLurker has noted, like the West, this has largely happened already; Muslims who identify first and foremost as Americans, for example.
There is nothing special about the Koran that makes it an evil religious book. Most religious books are basically the same, they all contain good and evil and justifications for terrible things and justifications for decent things.
870 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:16:59pm |
re: #866 CuriousLurker
Actually, we do hear of Muslims speaking out. I am past linking,(too tired) but I have heard of groups and individuals objecting to the actions and rhetoric many find objectionable. As you said, it doesn't get the coverage it could..
871 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:20:13pm |
re: #869 Obdicut
You have no idea how much I did not want to have to upding you for that comment.
873 | swamprat Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:24:46pm |
re: #872 Obdicut
I was really hoping you would prove yourself to be an unreasonable asshole. But alas, you would not play along.
876 | Querent Sun, Apr 18, 2010 9:58:23pm |
wow, the scales are really flying in here tonight...
877 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:12:59pm |
re: #864 Naso Tang
For what it's worth, it is hardly only Saudi Arabia, and since it needs to be spelled out to you I have never said that all Muslims are what you describe above...
And I didn't say you said they were. But you have stated that since the hate-mongers are the loudest and most often heard, then they make the academic/theological arguments of the mainstream irrelevant. If the academic/theological arguments that the vast majority of Muslims follow are irrelevant, then by default they must approve of the hate-mongers because (according to you) they say nothing against it.
...but you sure seem to be just about as sensitive to criticism, implied or specific.
Don't try to make this about me being sensitive, okay? You're criticizing my religion, not me. You're doing so by drawing a conclusion that I think is wrong because the logic doesn't make sense. I'm calling you on it the same as I did when you claimed that Muslim children aren't allowed to play with dolls. How, pray tell, is that about me being sensitive to criticism?
You have also implied more than once in this thread that hatred of Jews is somehow codified. It is not. I know what verses you're referring to, and as I mentioned earlier, there's no point in discussing exegesis with you if you don't understand the basic concepts of Islam (or if you refuse to accept any academic/theological arguments as valid—and you have already stated they are irrelevant to you).
As I said when I first introduced myself, I'll be glad to answer sincere questions, but you have to come to the table with an open mind because I have no interest in being the resident apologist for my faith by engaging with people who simply want to debate (instead of have a real discussion). Debates are about someone winning. I'm not here to win anything, I'm here to learn.
What is it in your theology that prevents you from forming a new version of Islam then, which clearly disavows all the primitive and violent attributes that we see so much of, even in the birthplace of the religion?
You're asking the question in a very negative way that seems designed to put me into a defensive crouch. The question starts off with the presumption that there's something inherent in Islamic theology that prevents the positive change or progress and disavows all the "primitive", "violent" attributes you see. Pretty negative stuff.
Try rephrasing your question, but first decide if you're willing to believe that perhaps Islam isn't what you currently understand it to be. If you're going to say that what you see in the news is the only reality you'll accept, then we have nothing further to discuss with regard to Islam.
878 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:15:22pm |
re: #868 Naso Tang
I am sure you noticed that you changed the subject again, and try to imply I am saying something I didn't.
Goodnight.
Goodnight.
879 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:18:35pm |
Obdicut & swamprat: thanks.
Sheesh, I'm exhausted now! And I still need to go back & upding people.
880 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:19:25pm |
re: #876 Querent
wow, the scales are really flying in here tonight...
Indeed. They've been flying off & on all day.
881 | Cato the Elder Sun, Apr 18, 2010 10:28:32pm |
re: #856 Obdicut
And it was irrelevant to argue against the Catholic church during its heyday, too-- what's your point? It doesn't point to anything about Islam as a religion being different. They need Enlightenment values to knock religion off its pedestal, like we had.
Maybe.
The Enlightenment is largely overrated and certainly enjoys an inflated reputation based on the name alone. Who could be against enlightenment?
Those who suffered and died on the guillotine or in the Vendée under the Reign of Terror following the "enlightened" French Revolution - their ghosts wail a different tune.
882 | punchy100 Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:18:22pm |
Dear Charles and all other Tea Party haters:
As a former frequent reader of LGF (I was with you all the way through the Creationism Flap, the Velaams Belang Split, and the Birther Divide!). I'd like to offer up my own first hand account of the local Tea Party protest on Thurs.
They're just regular people. End of story. If you can't see that, you're fooling yourself.
[Link: roarkwolfe.blogspot.com...]
883 | BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:29:25pm |
re: #882 punchy100
Yeah, Regular People who are ignorant as hell:
In short, no matter how one slices the data, the Tea Party crowd appears to believe that federal taxes are very considerably higher than they actually are, whether referring to total taxes as a share of GDP or in terms of the taxes paid by a typical family.
Tea Partyers also seem to have a very distorted view of the direction of federal taxes. They were asked whether they are higher, lower or the same as when Barack Obama was inaugurated last year. More than two-thirds thought that taxes are higher today, and only 4% thought they were lower; the rest said they are the same.
As noted earlier, federal taxes are very considerably lower by every measure since Obama became president.
So since it isn't about taxes, I wonder what it is about?/
884 | CuriousLurker Sun, Apr 18, 2010 11:34:08pm |
re: #865 Obdicut
Do you just not know what the Enlightenment was, or something?
Otherwise I have no fucking clue how your response makes any sense.
I think what he meant about "how do you propose changing the literal word of Allah", and earlier about having "a price on your head overnight" is a confusion about what might be acceptable reformation to a Muslim. Changing even one letter of the Qur'an would be completely unacceptable to a Muslim. I think the same can probably be said for the Jews/Torah and the Christians/Bible—i.e. you may translate it, you may reinterpret how what it says applies to modern day life, but you may not rewrite it or change any of the religion's basic tenets simply to make it more convenient. Anyone reading should feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.
As you obviously know since your family has a history in Spain (so does mine, BTW), Muslim Spain was considered very enlightened for its place & time. God willing, one day it will regain a positive status.
Anyway, I'm getting off track. What Naso was refusing to acknowledge was that there are already mechanisms within Islam that allow for change & adaptation, and some of that good old hopey-changey stuff is happening, albeit quietly & slowly on a grassroots level. It's happening here in America and elsewhere, or at least that what Muslims I've met from other countries tell me.
The thing is, there's also a poison out there. Add to that the dictatorships in the ME, socio-economic problems, and cultural issues that need to be addressed, and you have painfully slow change. Not only that, but the change has to move across a geographic area much larger & more (culturally) varied that that of Europe during the Reformation. Change didn't happen overnight for Europe—it took hundreds of years—and it's not going to happen overnight in the ME either.
I believe that Islam has its best chance to grow and adapt here in the U.S. Not with the aim of taking over and instituting sharia [insert *eyeroll*], but with the aim of taking our religion back, so to speak. Why here? Because of the freedoms we have (both religious & otherwise), because many American Muslims are converts who don't have the cultural baggage that gets mixed in with Islam as it exists in the ME and beyond, because America is the most amazing melting pot ever, which makes it easy for anyone who can get here to (eventually) be accepted as an American. IOW, is a place where Islam & Muslims can be free to grow & thrive just like everyone else. And I think it will.
Wow, I didn't intend to write all that. Okay, morning will come way too soon, so I'd better go. Night, lizards.
~~~~GONE~~~~
885 | Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Apr 19, 2010 1:05:54am |
re: #677 TheMatrix31
I realize why I gave up giving a shit about politics over the last couple of weeks. It was a good, happy two weeks.
Yeah, for us.
886 | Ayeless in Ghazi Mon, Apr 19, 2010 1:18:06am |
re: #833 Naso Tang
So my arguments are insane now? I tried to Exclude nothing from the discussion.
As a result of the holocaust and the subsequent insanity in the Middle East, discrimination against Jews has been in the forefront of our political history since at least WWII.
However when people start thinking that Jews are the only people with a serious history of discrimination, then we do have a problem, and it is not of my making.
Yes your arguments are insane. When you suggest that we should exclude the 'aberration' of the holocaust from considerations of anti-semitism in Europe, you are being insane.
And no one suggested that "Jews are the only people with a serious history of discrimination"-- apart from you.
887 | Cato the Elder Mon, Apr 19, 2010 4:53:17am |
This whole interesting discussion has me thinking about what we're pleased to call "the Enlightenment" and especially about its results. We recommend it to others as a sovereign remedy for their supposed endarkenment, but let's see, shall we, what has been the history of the West since then.
The French Revolution and the Reign of Terror followed by Napoleon and the Restoration
The War of 1812
All the other wars of the nineteenth century
WWI
The Great Depression
WWI
The atom bomb
All the proxy wars between the US and the USSR
The missing peace dividend
George W. Bush
Iraq
Not to mention: ongoing environmental destruction and rape of the future.
Some Enlightenment we got goin' on there, eh? Anyone care to tell me why the rest of the world should rush to imitate us?
888 | Cato the Elder Mon, Apr 19, 2010 5:06:17am |
re: #882 punchy100
Dear Charles and all other Tea Party haters:
As a former frequent reader of LGF (I was with you all the way through the Creationism Flap, the Velaams Belang Split, and the Birther Divide!). I'd like to offer up my own first hand account of the local Tea Party protest on Thurs.
They're just regular people. End of story. If you can't see that, you're fooling yourself.
[Link: roarkwolfe.blogspot.com...]
Seeing that you're a full-on Randian or at least link to them with your little "Exploit the Earth or Die" ad†, I would not expect you to be able to tell a regular person from a Martian. But that's OK, I can't tell Randians from fascists.
†It's a cute logo, and I actually agree with it, except it needs one word changed - "Exploit the Earth and Die" is how it ought to read, and instead of a pretty girl dancing you should have a skeleton doing the macarena - because that is what we have been doing and will continue to do. I don't see any alternative, either, but the perky "we'll be fine" attitude of the Randians is a lie.
889 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 19, 2010 6:29:30am |
re: #887 Cato the Elder
Some Enlightenment we got goin' on there, eh? Anyone care to tell me why the rest of the world should rush to imitate us?
Because we no longer kill people over religious issues, and we have pretty good separation of religion and state.
I'm sorry the Enlightenment didn't fix all the problems in the world. That really wasn't the point.
890 | Cato the Elder Mon, Apr 19, 2010 7:56:19am |
re: #889 Obdicut
Because we no longer kill people over religious issues, and we have pretty good separation of religion and state.
I'm sorry the Enlightenment didn't fix all the problems in the world. That really wasn't the point.
Oh no? I kinda thought it was.
891 | Obdicut Mon, Apr 19, 2010 7:57:49am |
892 | punchy100 Mon, Apr 19, 2010 8:02:34pm |
re: #883 iceweasel
Even if it were true that taxes aren't higher RIGHT NOW, how long do you think that can be sustainable after...
1) Bush's TARP
2) Obama's Stimulus
3) Health Care Overhaul (explicit provisions for taxes yet to be collected)
and coming soon...
4) Cap and Trade