Crist: 'We Are a Country That Stands for Freedom of Religion'

Crist: ‘We Are a Country That Stands for Freedom of Religion’

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Finally! A Republican politician who isn’t diving into the Muslim-hating gutter: Crist backs Obama on controversial Islamic center.

Oh, wait … that’s right. Crist was purged from the Republican Party as a RINO.

Panama City, Florida (CNN) – In a boost for President Obama on a red-hot controversy, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist told CNN Saturday that he fully supports Obama’s decision to back construction of an Islamic center and mosque near New York’s ground zero.

“I think he’s right - yeah,” Crist, who was elected governor as a Republican but is now running for Senate as an independent candidate, told CNN. “We are a country in my view that stands for freedom of religion. You know, respect for others. I know there are sensitivities and I understand that, but I think Mayor Bloomberg is right and I think the President is right.”

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179 comments

Four More Tears Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:11:27am

Of course, this will only serve to make the right feel better about themselves for driving him out.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:13:22am

IT's terrifying that standing for the Constitution became a political strategy question for any of our politicians. There is absolutely no ambiguity here to the question.

Cineaste Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:14:16am

To review - Republican politicians who support sanity and tolerance on this issue:

Charlie Crist - left the party
Mike Bloomberg - left the party

Apparently the venn diagram of tolerance/sanity and Republicans yields two entirely separate circles...

goddamnedfrank Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:16:35am

It seems like the Republicans with actual charisma and a sense of self, like Bloomberg, Schwarzenegger, and Crist all did the best they could to try and make the party semi-functional, and then just said fuck it.

Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:17:37am

re: #3 Cineaste

To review - Republican politicians who support sanity and tolerance on this issue:

Charlie Crist - left the party
Mike Bloomberg - left the party

Apparently the venn diagram of tolerance/sanity and Republicans yields two entirely separate circles...

Is there even one Republican politician who isn't joining the bigots on this issue?

I haven't seen any. They're ALL on board.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:17:38am

Charles,

Sorry to tell you this, but certain bloggers are writing about disemboweling you in hell.

You have them a little more pissed off than usual it seems.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:18:52am

re: #5 Charles

Is there even one Republican politician who isn't joining the bigots on this issue?

I haven't seen any. They're ALL on board.

Which is as plain evidence as anyone can ask for, that the GOP is an anti-American party. You either support American rights and liberties or you don't.

Cineaste Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:19:34am

re: #5 Charles

Is there even one Republican politician who isn't joining the bigots on this issue?

I haven't seen any. They're ALL on board.

It's the biggest lemming brigade of ignorance we've seen in a long, long time. Once upon a time you could rely on people like McCain to add sanity to the debate but they are treading water as fast as they can and that means giving over to the vox populi.

Cineaste Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:20:21am

re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote

Charles,

Sorry to tell you this, but certain bloggers are writing about disemboweling you in hell.

You have them a little more pissed off than usual it seems.

I'd be more concerned about anyone who wants to disembowel me in this life...

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:21:24am

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

Which is as plain evidence as anyone can ask for, that the GOP is an anti-American party. You either support American rights and liberties or you don't.

The inmates are running the asylum.

Of course the guards were pretty crazy already, in this case.

I've been resisting this, but I'm really starting to see this as the death throes of the GOP.

Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:22:35am

re: #10 windsagio

The inmates are running the asylum.

Of course the guards were pretty crazy already, in this case.

I've been resisting this, but I'm really starting to see this as the death throes of the GOP.

Yep... they're gonna vanish like a buggy whip.

Randall Gross Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:23:07am

Way to go Charlie Crist.

webevintage Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:23:07am

re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote

Charles,

Sorry to tell you this, but certain bloggers are writing about disemboweling you in hell.

You have them a little more pissed off than usual it seems.

There is NOTHING that pisses off pencil dick bigots more then being shown as the bigots they are.

sagehen Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:23:17am

I blame Ronald Reagan.

It was a devil's bargain when he brought Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson into the process -- they'd agree to get all their followers on board with conservative economics and foreign policy, in return for the Republican party adopting their version of Christian Values (tm) on social issues and lifestyle matters. I don't think RR anticipated that the early 80's purge of liberals from the party would advance endlessly, chipping away rightward toward the fringes until all that's left of the GOP is wild-eyed fanatics.

erraticsphinx Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:23:26am

re: #10 windsagio

I think they are just completing their transformation into the "Christian White peoples party".

It has been in the works for quite some time.

webevintage Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:23:57am

re: #7 LudwigVanQuixote

Which is as plain evidence as anyone can ask for, that the GOP is an anti-American party. You either support American rights and liberties or you don't.

THIS.

Lidane Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:24:37am

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

It seems like the Republicans with actual charisma and a sense of self, like Bloomberg, Schwarzenegger, and Crist all did the best they could to try and make the party semi-functional, and then just said fuck it.

When your choices are saying fuck it or whoring yourself out to the racists, bigots, anti-intellectuals, and xenophobes to get votes, I think the choice is clear. I may disagree with Crist, Bloomberg, and Schwarzenegger on a variety of things, but at least on issues like these, they've been right to buck the party and piss off the wingnuts. If being a Republican means signing off on all the idiocy currently infecting the party, I'd run like hell from the party too.

I'm convinced this is why Huntsman got the hell out of Utah and agreed to be Obama's ambassador to China. He saw what was happening in the GOP and wanted no part of it at all, so he got as far away as possible.

Cineaste Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:25:50am

re: #14 sagehen

I blame Ronald Reagan.

It was a devil's bargain when he brought Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson into the process -- they'd agree to get all their followers on board with conservative economics and foreign policy, in return for the Republican party adopting their version of Christian Values (tm) on social issues and lifestyle matters. I don't think RR anticipated that the early 80's purge of liberals from the party would advance endlessly, chipping away rightward toward the fringes until all that's left of the GOP is wild-eyed fanatics.

That was compounded by Rove's 'permanent Republican majority' by appealing to the evangelical base. They stitched together social conservatives with fiscal conservatives but the wheels came off the wagon when they sold out the fiscals for the socials under W.

The Curmudgeon Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:26:07am

My constant beef about the GOP -- of which I'm still a member -- is their obsession with sex and religion. They are bordering on theocracy. They should stick with the Constitution -- especially the concept of limited government and thus maximum individual freedom -- and their traditional support for national defense and free enterprise. That's quite enough to distinguish them from the other party.

Crist is a mixed bag, in that he also supported Obama's stimulus. That indicated an abandonment of Republican principles. It's very fine to be for religious freedom, but he's still not much of a Republican -- at least not the traditional type. I can't imagine that Goldwater or Regan would endorse him.

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:26:38am

re: #18 Cineaste

Really it started with Goldwater and Nixon (Esp. the 'Southern Strategy')

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:27:08am

re: #19 The Curmudgeon

"WEDGE ISSUES!"

And really they only claim to be for limited government, it gets out the votes >>

erraticsphinx Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:27:24am

Remember how the GOP whined about empathy in regards to Sonia Sotomayor?

A lot of screeching about laws based on "feelings", not the constitution, lots of screeching.

Good times.

Cineaste Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:28:29am

re: #14 sagehen

I blame Ronald Reagan.

It was a devil's bargain when he brought Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson into the process -- they'd agree to get all their followers on board with conservative economics and foreign policy, in return for the Republican party adopting their version of Christian Values (tm) on social issues and lifestyle matters. I don't think RR anticipated that the early 80's purge of liberals from the party would advance endlessly, chipping away rightward toward the fringes until all that's left of the GOP is wild-eyed fanatics.

Also, people always forget that Reagan, the hallowed saint of conservatism, was a union leader (SAG) and stayed in the house of a muslim imam (the Aga Khan) while negotiating with Gorbachev in Geneva.

Randall Gross Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:28:50am

The current crazy dissolution is simply due to the death of Weyrich, Reagan, Buckley and others in the last century leadership. That leadership realized that there was a line that the country would not cross when it comes to bigotry and they all practiced realpolitik accordingly. They kept the fringe haters outcast while still "dog whistling" and under the counter funding enough to keep them working with or for conservatism for the most part.

That leadership is now gone, and the party took serious body blows in 2006 and 2008. In desperation they opened the tent flaps to let the crazies back in, never noticing the large exodus as moderate and mainstream voters left en masse. The big tent collapsed to the small southern pup tent.

blueraven Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:29:31am

re: #19 The Curmudgeon

My constant beef about the GOP -- of which I'm still a member -- is their obsession with sex and religion. They are bordering on theocracy. They should stick with the Constitution -- especially the concept of limited government and thus maximum individual freedom -- and their traditional support for national defense and free enterprise. That's quite enough to distinguish them from the other party.

Crist is a mixed bag, in that he also supported Obama's stimulus. That indicated an abandonment of Republican principles. It's very fine to be for religious freedom, but he's still not much of a Republican -- at least not the traditional type. I can't imagine that Goldwater or Regan would endorse him.

Yes he supported the stimulus and took the money. Many other GOP governors opposed the stimulus but still took the money and heralded the projects that were a result of stimulus money. Who is more honorable?

lostlakehiker Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:29:43am

re: #3 Cineaste

To review - Republican politicians who support sanity and tolerance on this issue:

Charlie Crist - left the party
Mike Bloomberg - left the party

Apparently the venn diagram of tolerance/sanity and Republicans yields two entirely separate circles...

A bit hasty there, aren't you? There have to be Republicans who don't live in New York and aren't going to wade into an issue where tolerance/sanity has already won, stirring a pond they don't inhabit.

Time was, anyhow, that Republicans believed in government minding its own business and leaving people to sort out their own affairs when possible. An Oklahoma Republican has other worries than mosques in New York, and may legitimately busy himself with his own work instead of weighing in on this topic.

And while we're on the topic of Oklahoma, let's see. It's the heart of darkness, going from a number of recent posts here. It's also the home of the most successful and accomplished Indian tribe, the Cherokee. Cowboys and Indians seem to get along well enough in OK. How could that be, if in fact OK is uniquely benighted?

Lidane Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:30:18am

re: #19 The Curmudgeon

My constant beef about the GOP -- of which I'm still a member -- is their obsession with sex and religion. They are bordering on theocracy. They should stick with the Constitution -- especially the concept of limited government and thus maximum individual freedom -- and their traditional support for national defense and free enterprise. That's quite enough to distinguish them from the other party.

It's a bit late to complain about the GOP's emphasis on sex, religion, and social issues, considering it's been the primary focus of the party for decades now. Republicans haven't been about limited government in any capacity in at least thirty years. They just managed to string the fiscal conservatives and defense hawks along all these years by talking about their issues.

What we're seeing now is the full embrace by the GOP of the bigots, the racists, and xenophobes, the anti-intellectuals, and the social conservatives at the expense of any sort of sanity. They've decided to go full retard and as far to the right as possible, because someone convinced these imbeciles that they lost in 2008 because McCain wasn't conservative enough. They took the absolute wrong lesson from that election, and we're watching the GOP fall apart as a result.

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:30:38am

re: #26 lostlakehiker

And while we're on the topic of Oklahoma, let's see. It's the heart of darkness, going from a number of recent posts here. It's also the home of the most successful and accomplished Indian tribe, the Cherokee. Cowboys and Indians seem to get along well enough in OK. How could that be, if in fact OK is uniquely benighted?

Huh?!

Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:31:46am

re: #24 Thanos

In desperation they opened the tent flaps to let the crazies back in, never noticing the large exodus as moderate and mainstream voters left en masse. The big tent collapsed to the small southern pup tent.

That's my feeling as well. The Republicans have probably hurt themselves and their midterm gains will be much smaller than they should be but I'm not seeing a whole lot of hard evidence (polls, etc) showing a mass exodus from the Republican party.

erraticsphinx Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:31:47am

re: #28 windsagio

Oh my.

erraticsphinx Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:32:32am

re: #26 lostlakehiker

I'd LOVE to know what the run-of-the-mill Oklahoma GOPers has on his mind...unfortunately I just had my lunch :)

Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:33:52am

re: #9 Cineaste

I'd be more concerned about anyone who wants to disembowel me in this life...

Well the reality of them are pathetic losers.

Like how Donato used to abuse Rhonda. Which is hilarious, given how he is an aging, 49 year old, pencil neck sort who now has moobs and a beer gut.

The Curmudgeon Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:34:24am

re: #27 Lidane

What we're seeing now is the full embrace by the GOP of the bigots, the racists, and xenophobes, the anti-intellectuals, and the social conservatives at the expense of any sort of sanity.

As a result of Nixon's "southern strategy," the GOP has actually become the party that spouts all the views of William Jennings Bryan. And Bryan -- amusingly enough -- is the one "progressive" that Glenn Beck never mentions. I wonder why.

erraticsphinx Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:34:49am

re: #29 Killgore Trout

The Democrats may also be too dumb to point out the crazyness, it's happened before.

A lot of people forget that this house was gerrymandered quite effectively on behalf of the GOP (for the most part) in 2002, so the Dems are holding very, very, large majorities considering the nature of the districts.

Not that they know what to do with them, of course.

Gus Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:35:24am

Guess the political party:

An anti-Islamic-American party.
A party that thumbs its nose at Latino-Americans.
A party that by and large opposes abortion even in cases of rape, incest, or a danger to the life of the mother.
An anti-gay party.
A party in denial about climate change or alternative energy sources.

reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:36:53am

re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote

Well the reality of them are pathetic losers.

Like how Donato used to abuse Rhonda. Which is hilarious, given how he is an aging, 49 year old, pencil neck sort who now has moobs and a beer gut.

eh?
Rhonda?

austin_blue Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:37:11am

re: #27 Lidane

It's a bit late to complain about the GOP's emphasis on sex, religion, and social issues, considering it's been the primary focus of the party for decades now. Republicans haven't been about limited government in any capacity in at least thirty years. They just managed to string the fiscal conservatives and defense hawks along all these years by talking about their issues.

What we're seeing now is the full embrace by the GOP of the bigots, the racists, and xenophobes, the anti-intellectuals, and the social conservatives at the expense of any sort of sanity. They've decided to go full retard and as far to the right as possible, because someone convinced these imbeciles that they lost in 2008 because McCain wasn't conservative enough. They took the absolute wrong lesson from that election, and we're watching the GOP fall apart as a result.

Well said!

sagehen Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:38:09am

re: #19 The Curmudgeon

Crist is a mixed bag, in that he also supported Obama's stimulus. That indicated an abandonment of Republican principles. It's very fine to be for religious freedom, but he's still not much of a Republican -- at least not the traditional type. I can't imagine that Goldwater or Regan would endorse him.

But Eisenhower and Nixon would have cheered him on; those principles and traditions are Republican, too.

Ike --
Interstate highway system.
great follow-through on the Marshall Plan his precedessor had initiated.
Huge nationwide school construction project.
Using the United States Military to enforce desegregation
Refusing to continue the Korean War.

Dick --
EPA
OSHA
Affirmative Action
Roe v Wade (his solicitor general's amicus brief was in favor)
Proposed universal health care, energy independence, guaranteed minimum income (part of the short-circuited agenda lost when his criminal activities made him unable to continue doing his job).

Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:38:23am

re: #36 reine.de.tout

eh?
Rhonda?

Just a woman that one of the stalkers used to abuse.

Eclectic Infidel Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:38:54am

re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote

Charles,

Sorry to tell you this, but certain bloggers are writing about disemboweling you in hell.

You have them a little more pissed off than usual it seems.

Badge of honor.

Four More Tears Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:38:57am

I swear, a KKK meeting hall in Harlem would generate less outrage than this mosque.

lostlakehiker Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:39:33am

re: #15 erraticsphinx

I think they are just completing their transformation into the "Christian White peoples party".

It has been in the works for quite some time.

Is there a danger here in framing the issue that way? Suppose your pov is accepted universally.

Whites, if they were to vote as a bloc to the extent blacks do, and vote Republican, would sweep Republicans into office in almost every state and of course the presidency. Racial relations today are good, somewhat improved from decades ago when they were already not that bad, and much improved from the 1940s when we last saw white-on-black race riots.

This can all be lost, though it would take a lot of bad breaks. One such bad break would be if whites started thinking along us/them lines with race being the dividing line.

It's simply not true that the Republican party best represents the interests or the wants of white voters. But neither is it true that the Democratic party best represents the interests and wants of Hispanic voters, or even black voters. Class matters. Regional issues matter. Personality even plays a role. While there are correlations between voting behavior and race, they're not absolute, and if people looked to their own lives and thought for themselves, those correlations would become even weaker. The LAST thing we want is for them to become stronger.

Harry Reid, yes, I'm talking to you.

reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:39:38am

Why in the world is the UK National Lottery telling me to file a claim?

lostlakehiker Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:40:24am

re: #31 erraticsphinx

I'd LOVE to know what the run-of-the-mill Oklahoma GOPers has on his mind...unfortunately I just had my lunch :)

Take a wild guess. Maybe, ----the economy?

jaunte Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:40:30am

re: #43 reine.de.tout

Sounds like the spammer branch.

sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:41:08am

re: #43 reine.de.tout

Why in the world is the UK National Lottery telling me to file a claim?

because that nice Nigerian Prince told them too!!
/

Vicious Michigan Union Thug Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:42:09am

re: #26 lostlakehiker

And while we're on the topic of Oklahoma, let's see. It's the heart of darkness, going from a number of recent posts here. It's also the home of the most successful and accomplished Indian tribe, the Cherokee. Cowboys and Indians seem to get along well enough in OK. How could that be, if in fact OK is uniquely benighted?

Georgia is the home of the Cherokee. Ever heard of the "Trail of Tears"?

Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:42:19am

re: #35 Gus 802

Guess the political party:

An anti-Islamic-American party.
A party that thumbs its nose at Latino-Americans.
A party that by and large opposes abortion even in cases of rape, incest, or a danger to the life of the mother.
An anti-gay party.
A party in denial about climate change or alternative energy sources.

Don't forget ant-education, anti-environment and completely bought and paid for by industry.

Don't forget ant-science.

Don't forget anti-black.

Don't forget anti-Constitution.

Don't forget opposed to their own ideas.

Cap and trade after all was a Reagan initiative and a campaign platform for Palin/McCain before it was cap and tax. It won't be enough anyway, but it was when first unveiled a "parctical, conservative solution"

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:43:48am

Crist decided to become an indy when he saw he couldn't win in a primary, FWIW.

reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:44:04am

re: #46 sattv4u2

because that nice Nigerian Prince told them too!!
/

btw - sent you an e-mail.

erraticsphinx Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:45:20am

re: #42 lostlakehiker

Surely, you jest.

Nearly every nontroversy the GOP signs on to has a whiff of racism, nativism, and bigotry lingering about it.

Consolidating the white vote is the ONLY way they can stay in power, since through their own actions they have long lost the black vote, and are in the process of losing the Latino vote.

There's a very simple way to tamp down on the racial resentment that is bubbling: Don't give out dogwhistles to the racist base!

And as for Oklahoma GOPers being concerned with the economy..... I'll take that as my laugh of the day.

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:45:25am

re: #38 sagehen

Nixon will always be the most interesting man in US politics. He had so many good ideas, and so many terrible ideas, and so much... craziness all mixed into one giant pot of gin and anger.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:45:25am

re: #43 reine.de.tout

Why in the world is the UK National Lottery telling me to file a claim?

MOst likely, someone from Nigeria picked you out of the big book of trustworthy internet people for the honor. All you will have to do is give them your bank account numbers or a little money to move the payment you won to you!

Gus Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:45:30am

re: #48 LudwigVanQuixote

Don't forget ant-education, anti-environment and completely bought and paid for by industry.

Don't forget ant-science.

Don't forget anti-black.

Don't forget anti-Constitution.

Don't forget opposed to their own ideas.

Cap and trade after all was a Reagan initiative and a campaign platform for Palin/McCain before it was cap and tax. It won't be enough anyway, but it was when first unveiled a "parctical, conservative solution"

Anti-judiciary or their frequent memes about "activist judges".

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:45:39am

re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar

Crist decided to become an indy when he saw he couldn't win in a primary, FWIW.

Actually I think he is registered as "No Party Affiliation".

avanti Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:45:40am

re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote

Charles,

Sorry to tell you this, but certain bloggers are writing about disemboweling you in hell.

You have them a little more pissed off than usual it seems.

Can you blame them, after all Charles went after Palin for calling it the 9-11 mosque. As pointed out by the pin heads on that blog, that is the date of the mosque opening in 2011./ Except it's not, and the date story as BS, but they'll never let facts get in the way of the narrative.

sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:46:02am

re: #50 reine.de.tout

btw - sent you an e-mail.

forwarded from the Nigerian Prince!?!?!?

I'M RICH ,,, RICH I TELL YA !!

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:46:17am

re: #51 erraticsphinx

"Consolidating the Old White vote" is more like it, there's no future in their tactic... They're already starting to lose on gays and drugs and abortion.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:47:16am

re: #56 avanti

Can you blame them, after all Charles went after Palin for calling it the 9-11 mosque. As pointed out by the pin heads on that blog, that is the date of the mosque opening in 2011./ Except it's not, and the date story as BS, but they'll never let facts get in the way of the narrative.

Just like savage won't get better. At least Rhonda figured it out. Hopefully, his new girl will figure it out too.

Jeff In Ohio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:47:36am

re: #27 Lidane

Speedman for President!!

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:49:30am

Charlie Crist also ran ads on the radio against the stimulus bill after taking the money. Opportunist.

Gus Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:50:31am

re: #58 windsagio

"Consolidating the Old White vote" is more like it, there's no future in their tactic... They're already starting to lose on gays and drugs and abortion.

Drugs: both legal and illegal. Big Pharma and big prices and monopolies for the pharmaceutical corporations and draconian drug laws. Lock up people left and right for drug possession and stick them into private prisons to feed that industry.

The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:51:46am

re: #5 Charles

Is there even one Republican politician who isn't joining the bigots on this issue?

I haven't seen any. They're ALL on board.

Rick Perry. Man that is tough to say. Can't stand the man.

reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:53:26am

re: #53 LudwigVanQuixote

MOst likely, someone from Nigeria picked you out of the big book of trustworthy internet people for the honor. All you will have to do is give them your bank account numbers or a little money to move the payment you won to you!

I'll get on it right away!

reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:53:58am

re: #55 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually I think he is registered as "No Party Affiliation".

As am I.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:54:08am

re: #64 reine.de.tout

I'll get on it right away!

Did you win over a million pounds sterling too?

LOL

avanti Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:55:26am

Well, one Republican spoke honestly on the issue:

"Intellectually the President may be right. But this is an emotional issue and people who lost kids, brothers, sisters, fathers, do not want that mosque in New York and it's going to be a big, big issue for Democrats across this country," Ed Rollins, a Republican strategist, told CBS' "Face The Nation" program. "

I guess we need a POTUS that tosses out the constitution protections based on emotions, not reason. BTW, the emotions lead many to not want a mosque built anywhere, not just NY.

blueraven Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:55:31am

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

Charlie Crist also ran ads on the radio against the stimulus bill after taking the money. Opportunist.

huh?

_RememberTonyC Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:56:07am

It seems a "Cristian" is a good thing after all ...

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:56:11am

I was gonna post a link to Crist, but it had a Rick Perry ad. Fucking dirtbag.

abolitionist Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:56:15am

re: #52 windsagio

Nixon will always be the most interesting man in US politics. He had so many good ideas, and so many terrible ideas, and so much... craziness all mixed into one giant pot of gin and anger.

Agree. I suspect his most significant accomplishment was his visit to China.

Four More Tears Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:56:37am

re: #67 avanti

Well, one Republican spoke honestly on the issue:

"Intellectually the President may be right. But this is an emotional issue and people who lost kids, brothers, sisters, fathers, do not want that mosque in New York and it's going to be a big, big issue for Democrats across this country," Ed Rollins, a Republican strategist, told CBS' "Face The Nation" program. "

I guess we need a POTUS that tosses out the constitution protections based on emotions, not reason. BTW, the emotions lead many to not want a mosque built anywhere, not just NY.

Why bother with so many words?

"Come on!"

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:57:15am

re: #71 abolitionist

Agree. I suspect his most significant accomplishment was his visit to China.

Probably my least favorite >> Led to the china situation we have now.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:57:43am

re: #68 blueraven

huh?

Sorry, you need better reading comprehension. I put it all down right there.

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:57:57am

re: #67 avanti

Well, one Republican spoke honestly on the issue:

"Intellectually the President may be right. But this is an emotional issue and people who lost kids, brothers, sisters, fathers, do not want that mosque in New York and it's going to be a big, big issue for Democrats across this country," Ed Rollins, a Republican strategist, told CBS' "Face The Nation" program. "

I guess we need a POTUS that tosses out the constitution protections based on emotions, not reason. BTW, the emotions lead many to not want a mosque built anywhere, not just NY.

Except I honestly believe that as a strategist he doesn't give a damn. Its just another way to pillory the president. (Damn I hate being that cynical!)

austin_blue Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:58:51am

And at the PGA, Watney doubled the first and now is co-leader. It's gonna be widre: #63 The Shadow Do

Rick Perry. Man that is tough to say. Can't stand the man.

Perry's quote:

"I'm a big believer in freedom of religion but believe it would be best for all involved to put the facility elsewhere," Perry said. "However, zoning is a local responsibility and as a staunch supporter of the 10th Amendment, I do not think the federal government should take steps to intercede or overrule the wishes of local residents. The citizens of New York City will decide the fate of this building."

That's kind of wishy washy support. It's not the Separation Clause with Perry, it's all about local control.

Unless it's imminent domain, educational policy, or anything passed by the Austin City Council. Then it's bad.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:00:21pm

re: #68 blueraven

I didn't mean to get snippy. My apology.

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:00:24pm

"Ways to not communicate with people, part 1"

You People

jaunte Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:01:19pm

re: #67 avanti

Well, one Republican spoke honestly on the issue:

"Intellectually the President may be right. But this is an emotional issue and people who lost kids, brothers, sisters, fathers, do not want that mosque in New York and it's going to be a big, big issue for Democrats across this country," Ed Rollins, a Republican strategist, told CBS' "Face The Nation" program. "

I guess we need a POTUS that tosses out the constitution protections based on emotions, not reason. BTW, the emotions lead many to not want a mosque built anywhere, not just NY.

Interesting that Rick Perry's comment shows the potential conflict within Rollins' tactic:

"I'm a big believer in freedom of religion but believe it would be best for all involved to put the facility elsewhere," Perry said. "However, zoning is a local responsibility and as a staunch supporter of the 10th Amendment, I do not think the federal government should take steps to intercede or overrule the wishes of local residents. The citizens of New York City will decide the fate of this building."
[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:01:19pm

re: #78 windsagio

Dammit, wrong thread, lol.

Thats what I get for tabbing too much.

reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:02:34pm

re: #67 avanti

Well, one Republican spoke honestly on the issue:

"Intellectually the President may be right. But this is an emotional issue and people who lost kids, brothers, sisters, fathers, do not want that mosque in New York and it's going to be a big, big issue for Democrats across this country," Ed Rollins, a Republican strategist, told CBS' "Face The Nation" program. "

I guess we need a POTUS that tosses out the constitution protections based on emotions, not reason. BTW, the emotions lead many to not want a mosque built anywhere, not just NY.

I couldn't sleep last night, and was poking around on the internet, and saw where someone posted something about LGF, one of those - well, he used to think this, now he thinks this things about Charles.

The thing they pointed to was a post where a school in some state, and Islamic school, was being looked at or shut down, and then some of the current mosque posts here.

They missed two big points:

1. In the school post - Charles' post was an informational post. There wasn't an editorial content in it, that I recall. The editorial content took place in the comments, and

2. There is a huge difference between a state looking at and possibly shutting down a school (any school) that may not be adhering to the state's curriculum standards, and looking at the building of a mosque.

I cannot understand why those folks don't seem to get it.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:04:13pm

re: #65 reine.de.tout

As am I.

But you're not running for the Senate and switching because you might lose a primary.

Targetpractice Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:04:16pm

re: #78 windsagio

"Ways to not communicate with people, part 1"

"What do you mean 'you people'?"

jaunte Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:04:44pm

re: #80 windsagio

'You tabbers.'

blueraven Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:05:19pm

re: #77 Cannadian Club Akbar

I didn't mean to get snippy. My apology.

No problem. I just haven't been able to find any radio ads against the stimulus from Crist.
Saw a couple of ads from him criticizing Obama for spending and taxes in general though.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:05:53pm

re: #81 reine.de.tout

I couldn't sleep last night, and was poking around on the internet, and saw where someone posted something about LGF, one of those - well, he used to think this, now he thinks this things about Charles.

The thing they pointed to was a post where a school in some state, and Islamic school, was being looked at or shut down, and then some of the current mosque posts here.

They missed two big points:

1. In the school post - Charles' post was an informational post. There wasn't an editorial content in it, that I recall. The editorial content took place in the comments, and

2. There is a huge difference between a state looking at and possibly shutting down a school (any school) that may not be adhering to the state's curriculum standards, and looking at the building of a mosque.

I cannot understand why those folks don't seem to get it.

They don't get it because they are morons and because what matters is seething. I have a whole mini blog post about how the founder of the stalker blog went full on pro AGW because he thought Charles was a skeptic.

Now that it is abundantly clear where he falls on the science though...

sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:06:04pm

re: #84 jaunte

'You tabbers.'

Tab??

I prefer Dr. Pepper!!

reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:06:09pm

re: #78 windsagio

"Ways to not communicate with people, part 1"

I'm convinced that's aimed at me.
/ / /

reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:06:47pm

re: #86 LudwigVanQuixote

They don't get it because they are morons and because what matters is seething. I have a whole mini blog post about how the founder of the stalker blog went full on pro AGW because he thought Charles was a skeptic.

Now that it is abundantly clear where he falls on the science though...

Yeah, LOL, I saw your page.

sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:06:59pm

re: #88 reine.de.tout

I'm convinced that's aimed at me.
/ / /

I'd respond to you, but I am incommunicado!

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:07:31pm

re: #85 blueraven

No problem. I just haven't been able to find any radio ads against the stimulus from Crist.
Saw a couple of ads from him criticizing Obama for spending and taxes in general though.

He ran ads saying "We can't spend our way out of this mess". After taking, I wanna saw $700 million.

windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:07:48pm

I hate you guys (and ladies!) :p

Na some lurker/troll just decided to ass it up in the Palin thread, and I hit the wrong tab going from the spy to my patented snippiness.

Seriously tho', if you start your post with 'you people', start over you're doing something wrong.

reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:08:10pm

re: #87 sattv4u2

Tab??

I prefer Dr. Pepper!!

Me, I always laugh at the moron tab-and-apple choir.

Reginald Perrin Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:09:43pm

re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote

Well the reality of them are pathetic losers.

Like how Donato used to abuse Rhonda. Which is hilarious, given how he is an aging, 49 year old, pencil neck sort who now has moobs and a beer gut.

You forgot to mention that Donato is an unemployed truck-driver who lives with his liberal mother. The same Donato that threatened to beat his mother because he couldn't stand arguing politics with her. The psychopath has also advocated for the assassination of the president and argued for the military overthrow of the Government.
I for one am glad to hear that the State of California revoked his trucker's license.

Four More Tears Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:09:45pm

re: #84 jaunte

'You tabbers.'

Oy. My business partner insists on using IE, and will not use tabs. He opens six or seven windows and then I have to hear about how the computer is running so slow. Grrr.

sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:09:56pm

re: #93 reine.de.tout

Me, I always laugh at the moron tab-and-apple choir.

ouch,,, that one actually hurt!

Spare O'Lake Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:10:57pm

re: #78 windsagio

"Ways to not communicate with people, part 1"

Some people...are made of plastic,
Some people...are up to no good.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:11:06pm

re: #95 JasonA

Oy. My business partner insists on using IE, and will not use tabs. He opens six or seven windows and then I have to hear about how the computer is running so slow. Grrr.

Have you ever thought about telling him he is an idiot?

reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:12:27pm

re: #96 sattv4u2

ouch,,, that one actually hurt!

You've heard the joke, haven't you?
That's what you call a group of Texas Aggies who are sitting in a circle singing, eating apples and drinking Tab.
hehehehe.

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jordash1212 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:13:51pm

re: #95 JasonA

Tell him to buy a server and put 32GB of RAM in it. That should solve the problem...

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Four More Tears Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:14:09pm

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Have you ever thought about telling him he is an idiot?

Not today.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:15:32pm

re: #94 Reginald Perrin

You forgot to mention that Donato is an unemployed truck-driver who lives with his liberal mother. The same Donato that threatened to beat his mother because he couldn't stand arguing politics with her. The psychopath has also advocated for the assassination of the president and argued for the military overthrow of the Government.
I for one am glad to hear that the State of California revoked his trucker's license.

Ohh those are very good points.

What else would you expect from someone who writes anal prison rape fantasies about shutting up women he doesn't like?

I happen to know that the woman abusing, creep is reading this right now, so we should let him know ho much we love him.

He really does have a skinny, skinny little chest - except for the moobs, a big ol gut and then those chicken legs. I hope his girl realizes that for all of his tough talk, a healthy woman should be able to beat him down like a whack-a-mole if he gets too far out of line.

Of course, the others just left him.

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AntonSirius Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:16:42pm

re: #17 Lidane

When your choices are saying fuck it or whoring yourself out to the racists, bigots, anti-intellectuals, and xenophobes to get votes, I think the choice is clear. I may disagree with Crist, Bloomberg, and Schwarzenegger on a variety of things, but at least on issues like these, they've been right to buck the party and piss off the wingnuts. If being a Republican means signing off on all the idiocy currently infecting the party, I'd run like hell from the party too.

I'm convinced this is why Huntsman got the hell out of Utah and agreed to be Obama's ambassador to China. He saw what was happening in the GOP and wanted no part of it at all, so he got as far away as possible.

Huntsman/Ryan 2016!

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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:17:02pm

re: #101 JasonA

Not today.

CCA response:
You're a fucking moron. For the love of Pete!! How hard can this fucking be?? Jesus Christ!!

Jason A response:
Sir. Let's try this.

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Cineaste Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:17:12pm

re: #26 lostlakehiker

A bit hasty there, aren't you? There have to be Republicans who don't live in New York and aren't going to wade into an issue where tolerance/sanity has already won, stirring a pond they don't inhabit.

Would that person please stand up and identify themselves?

*crickets*

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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:17:17pm

re: #94 Reginald Perrin

You forgot to mention that Donato is an unemployed truck-driver who lives with his liberal mother. The same Donato that threatened to beat his mother because he couldn't stand arguing politics with her. The psychopath has also advocated for the assassination of the president and argued for the military overthrow of the Government.
I for one am glad to hear that the State of California revoked his trucker's license.

Really nice guy, that one.
///

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:17:33pm

by the way .... hugo chavez has totally turned venezuela into a shit hole ... look what happened when they hosted the women's world baseball championships:

[Link: news.smh.com.au...]

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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:18:23pm

re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar

CCA response:
You're a fucking moron. For the love of Pete!! How hard can this fucking be?? Jesus Christ!!

Jason A response:
Sir. Let's try this.

When I used to work, the minute I started calling people, "HON", they knew I was on the verge of going into CCA mode.
LOL.
My nickname was Attila.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:18:53pm

re: #106 reine.de.tout

Really nice guy, that one.
///

What astonishes me is that women over there hear his deranged rants and other vile stuff from the other knuckle dragging trogs, all the time. And none of them have an issue with it.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:19:37pm

re: #108 reine.de.tout

When I used to work, the minute I started calling people, "HON", they knew I was on the verge of going into CCA mode.
LOL.
My nickname was Attila.

Hon! Do you have any Baltimore in you? Or are you pure southern belle?

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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:19:41pm

re: #101 JasonA

Not today.

he must have the checkbook!

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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:20:37pm

re: #108 reine.de.tout

When I used to work, the minute I started calling people, "HON", they knew I was on the verge of going into CCA mode.
LOL.
My nickname was Attila.

Life would be better is we didn't have to be "sensitive". I hate those people.

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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:22:11pm

re: #109 LudwigVanQuixote

What astonishes me is that women over there hear his deranged rants and other vile stuff from the other knuckle dragging trogs, all the time. And none of them have an issue with it.

It's truly perplexing to me.
re: #110 LudwigVanQuixote

Hon! Do you have any Baltimore in you? Or are you pure southern belle?

PURE Southern Belle.

Although, I was never quite southern belle-ish enough for my poor mom, who continued to try to civilize me until the day she died.

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tnguitarist Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:22:25pm

re: #42 lostlakehiker

It's simply not true that the Republican party best represents the interests or the wants of white voters. But neither is it true that the Democratic party best represents the interests and wants of Hispanic voters, or even black voters. Class matters. Regional issues matter. Personality even plays a role. While there are correlations between voting behavior and race, they're not absolute, and if people looked to their own lives and thought for themselves, those correlations would become even weaker. The LAST thing we want is for them to become stronger.

Harry Reid, yes, I'm talking to you.

What are you saying there? Other races don't have the sense to look into issues? They can't think for themselves?
Here's the problem with Republicans. It's never the message when people disagree or don't vote for them, it's just that you don't understand the message.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:23:10pm

re: #113 reine.de.tout

It's truly perplexing to me.
re: #110 LudwigVanQuixote

PURE Southern Belle.

Although, I was never quite southern belle-ish enough for my poor mom, who continued to try to civilize me until the day she died.

Miss S grew up a bit in the South. She has similar stories.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:23:10pm

re: #112 Cannadian Club Akbar

Life would be better is we didn't have to be "sensitive". I hate those people.

In my younger years in restaurant management, I had a "hit man". He would ride people until they quit. Loved that guy.

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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:23:59pm

Pamela Geller has a real corker of a post on her upcoming demonstration -- she comes right out and says that Obama supported the 9/11 attacks.

And uses the term "Ground Zero mega-mosque" at least 20 times.

Attending her demonstration: Newt Gingrich, John Bolton, and Dutch anti-Muslim bigot Geert Wilders.

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RadicalModerate Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:24:13pm

re: #86 LudwigVanQuixote

They don't get it because they are morons and because what matters is seething. I have a whole mini blog post about how the founder of the stalker blog went full on pro AGW because he thought Charles was a skeptic.

Now that it is abundantly clear where he falls on the science though...

BTW Ludwig, did you see the story I posted on the overnight thread regarding Art Horn over at Pajamas' and his latest mindlessness regarding AGW?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

NOAA and GISS claim a warm Arctic region made this June a record-breaker. They don't have a single thermometer in the Arctic!

Yep. He actually said that.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:24:47pm

re: #102 LudwigVanQuixote

I have quite a few funny stories to tell about Donato and the Tamp twit.
Right after Trajan (Rodan) failed miserably at his first few stalker sites, he hooked up with Donato and they made a disastrous troll attack on Think Progress....there were no survivors.

These guys are little more than good comedy material.

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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:25:19pm

re: #115 LudwigVanQuixote

Miss S grew up a bit in the South. She has similar stories.

Oh, my.
LVQ, really, this is the very best book evah on growing up southern.

Confessions of a Failed Southern Lady
By Florence King.

Seriously. I like that book so very much, I'd be willing to buy it and have it sent to your Miss S as a gift from moi. You can contact me via e-mail if you wish.

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RadicalModerate Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:26:03pm

re: #118 RadicalModerate

Dangit, the link didn't work. Let's try that again.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:28:02pm

re: #117 Charles

Pamela Geller has a real corker of a post on her upcoming demonstration -- she comes right out and says that Obama supported the 9/11 attacks.

And uses the term "Ground Zero mega-mosque" at least 20 times.

Attending her demonstration: Newt Gingrich, John Bolton, and Dutch anti-Muslim bigot Geert Wilders.

Bolton is the one who disappoints me ... he drank the kool-ade ... he did some good things, but this taints him permanently.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:28:38pm

re: #120 reine.de.tout

I like that book so very much, I'd be willing to buy it and have it sent to your Miss S as a gift from moi. You can contact me via e-mail if you wish.

If the same offer applies to me, don't bother buying the book

just send me the cash instead

!!//

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AntonSirius Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:29:09pm

re: #67 avanti

Well, one Republican spoke honestly on the issue:

"Intellectually the President may be right. But this is an emotional issue and people who lost kids, brothers, sisters, fathers, do not want that mosque in New York and it's going to be a big, big issue for Democrats across this country," Ed Rollins, a Republican strategist, told CBS' "Face The Nation" program. "

I guess we need a POTUS that tosses out the constitution protections based on emotions, not reason. BTW, the emotions lead many to not want a mosque built anywhere, not just NY.

Saying "the President may be right" on this one is not being honest.

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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:30:02pm

re: #123 sattv4u2

I like that book so very much, I'd be willing to buy it and have it sent to your Miss S as a gift from moi. You can contact me via e-mail if you wish.

If the same offer applies to me, don't bother buying the book

just send me the cash instead

!!//

You need to check out FBV and his monumental flattery suck-up to me last night.
That's how it's done.

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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:30:20pm

re: #113 reine.de.tout

PURE Southern Belle.

Although, I was never quite southern belle-ish enough for my poor mom, who continued to try to civilize me until the day she died.

I have a daughter-in-law who is a pure Southern Belle, from Alabama. Such a sweetheart.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:30:28pm

re: #118 RadicalModerate

BTW Ludwig, did you see the story I posted on the overnight thread regarding Art Horn over at Pajamas' and his latest mindlessness regarding AGW?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

NOAA and GISS claim a warm Arctic region made this June a record-breaker. They don't have a single thermometer in the Arctic!

Yep. He actually said that.

Well, they happen to have many stations up there.

Here is the full list. Just look at the coordinates.

[Link: data.giss.nasa.gov...]

This of course does not include satellite data that also goes into the models.

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Gus Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:30:37pm

re: #117 Charles

Pamela Geller has a real corker of a post on her upcoming demonstration -- she comes right out and says that Obama supported the 9/11 attacks.

And uses the term "Ground Zero mega-mosque" at least 20 times.

Attending her demonstration: Newt Gingrich, John Bolton, and Dutch anti-Muslim bigot Geert Wilders.

Beyond words. Newt Gingrich sharing the podium with anti-American and seditious Pam Geller alongside Geert Wilders a far-right bigot who hold office in a foreign state. When do the EDL and other Euro-fascist groups show up?

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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:30:39pm

re: #124 AntonSirius

Saying "the President may be right" on this one is not being honest.

Like so many Politician are.
/

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Spare O'Lake Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:31:16pm

re: #117 Charles

Pamela Geller has a real corker of a post on her upcoming demonstration -- she comes right out and says that Obama supported the 9/11 attacks.

And uses the term "Ground Zero mega-mosque" at least 20 times.

Attending her demonstration: Newt Gingrich, John Bolton, and Dutch anti-Muslim bigot Geert Wilders.

Wow. The bitch is plugged right in to the American idiocy. She must be scoring mucho dineros off this shit.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:31:16pm

re: #120 reine.de.tout

Oh, my.
LVQ, really, this is the very best book evah on growing up southern.

Confessions of a Failed Southern Lady
By Florence King.

Seriously. I like that book so very much, I'd be willing to buy it and have it sent to your Miss S as a gift from moi. You can contact me via e-mail if you wish.

You are so sweet. I do adore you.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:31:32pm

re: #125 reine.de.tout

You need to check out FBV and his monumental flattery suck-up to me last night.
That's how it's done.

No way am I competing with him

He is, after all, by trade a salesman!!!

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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:32:42pm

re: #131 LudwigVanQuixote

You are so sweet. I do adore you.

That's a serious offer.
I'll have it sent to whoever you want.
It's a really good book.

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Stanghazi Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:32:59pm

re: #128 Gus 802

Beyond words. Newt Gingrich sharing the podium with anti-American and seditious Pam Geller alongside Geert Wilders a far-right bigot who hold office in a foreign state. When do the EDL and other Euro-fascist groups show up?

Didn't Geert recently (in the past 5-6 months) go on a clandestine-ish tour of the US and meet up with several GOP figures??

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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:33:03pm

All right. It is nap time. BBIAB.

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Gus Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:33:33pm

re: #134 Stanley Sea

Didn't Geert recently (in the past 5-6 months) go on a clandestine-ish tour of the US and meet up with several GOP figures??

Don't know.

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RadicalModerate Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:33:58pm

re: #127 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, they happen to have many stations up there.

Here is the full list. Just look at the coordinates.

[Link: data.giss.nasa.gov...]

This of course does not include satellite data that also goes into the models.

I mentioned in the downstairs thread that I thought where Mr. Horn got confused was where he was claiming there were no land-based stations on the Arctic Ocean. Key word there being "ocean".

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:34:25pm

re: #119 Reginald Perrin

I have quite a few funny stories to tell about Donato and the Tamp twit.
Right after Trajan (Rodan) failed miserably at his first few stalker sites, he hooked up with Donato and they made a disastrous troll attack on Think Progress...there were no survivors.

These guys are little more than good comedy material.

Yeah but right now let's give savage his woman abusing, due. I just love the idea of an aging, dweeby, unemployed trucker, who lives with his mom, that he screams at, going to ozz-fest to "be cool."

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:35:05pm

re: #133 reine.de.tout

That's a serious offer.
I'll have it sent to whoever you want.
It's a really good book.

I'll ask her. She may already have it. I really do adore you.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:37:20pm

re: #137 RadicalModerate

I mentioned in the downstairs thread that I thought where Mr. Horn got confused was where he was claiming there were no land-based stations on the Arctic Ocean. Key word there being "ocean".

Actually, I got confused, because I mis read arctic, as opposed to ant-arctic. There are certainly many weather stations on the ice and continual input of data from submarines, air craft and satellites.

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Gus Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:38:00pm

Gingrich, Bolton, Breitbart Team Up With Far-Right Muslim-Basher Geert Wilders For 9/11 Rally

The right-wing group Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) has announced that it will be hosting a rally against the proposed Cordoba House Islamic community center on September 11.

The confirmed list of speakers includes former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, Andrew Breitbart, and, notably, the far-right Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders. “Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology,” Wilders told the Guardian in 2009, “the ideology of a retarded culture.”

In the past, Wilders’ extremism has been condemned by conservatives such as Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, and even Glenn Beck, who called Wilders “fascist.” It’s a clear sign of how far the Republicans have shifted to the right and embraced Islamophobia as a political tool that movement figures like Gingrich, Bolton, and Breitbart now have no problem sharing a stage with Wilders.

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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:38:26pm

re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote

I'll ask her. She may already have it. I really do adore you.

:-)

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erraticsphinx Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:39:46pm

re: #141 Gus 802

Not to mention the guy wants to ban the Koran.....I wonder what "feelings" conservatives want us to have that would support that?

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Stanghazi Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:40:13pm

re: #134 Stanley Sea

Didn't Geert recently (in the past 5-6 months) go on a clandestine-ish tour of the US and meet up with several GOP figures??

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Geert Wilders—who has publicly compared the Koran to "Mein Kampf"—is scheduled to make public appearances in Washington next week, including a Feb. 27 press conference at the National Press Club. Wilders is seeking to promote his movie "Fitna," an incendiary short documentary film that depicts Islam as a religion of terrorists.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:43:21pm

re: #119 Reginald Perrin

Ohh Iron fist would love to meet me in person...

That is entertaining. The more they brag about how tough they are, the more obvious it is that they are yet another ninja in their own minds.

Just a simple rule. People who actually know martial arts minimize bragging, This is partially because they know how very serious a fight could get. It is also because they don't need to overcompensate for their lack of prowess.

Fist is either a little kid or, like Savage, another chicken legged beer gutted loser around 50.

Fist, simply watching Van Dame films does not transfer skill.

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RadicalModerate Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:44:14pm

It looks like we may have a new leader in the "Which member of the Republican Party will have the most over-the-top outrageous outrage" hyperbole sweepstakes regarding President Obama's support of the right to build the Cordoba Project, and it's actually an unlikely one.

Ed Rollins, today on "Face the Nation"

Obama's comments "probably the dumbest thing that any president has said"

"This is an emotional issue," Rollins said. "Intellectually the president may be right. But this is an emotional issue. People who lost kids, brothers, sisters, fathers, what have you, do not want that mosque in New York."

Ed Gillespie, former Republican National Committee chairman, also weighed in.

"I thought it was an incredibly revealing comment by the president. You know, he basically said that the 70% of Americans who are opposed to this controversial imam building this controversial mosque at ground zero are seeking to deny the religious freedom of Muslims in this country. That's how he cast it," Gillespie said.

Has the RNC been huffing paint thinner for the past month or something?

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windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:45:08pm

re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote

I do not know this person, but I am dismayed he named himself after one of my favorite comic book characters (from the '70s!)

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:50:19pm

re: #147 windsagio

I do not know this person, but I am dismayed he named himself after one of my favorite comic book characters (from the '70s!)

Actually, he used to be savgenation, named after the radio show.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:51:49pm

re: #4 goddamnedfrank

It seems like the Republicans with actual charisma and a sense of self, like Bloomberg, Schwarzenegger, and Crist all did the best they could to try and make the party semi-functional, and then just said fuck it.

Schwartzenegger is still a Republican, isn't he?

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windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:52:00pm

re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote

lol that's a hell of a name.

You're right on about internet tough guys btw. They tend to 'own' all kinds of outlandish and unlikely weapons too (Desert Eagles are a fave).

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goddamnedfrank Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:53:50pm

re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist

Schwartzenegger is still a Republican, isn't he?

Yeah, but that probably only because he has no dreams of holding another office.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:54:43pm

re: #41 JasonA

I swear, a KKK meeting hall in Harlem would generate less outrage than this mosque.

Different players. The people now denouncing the mosque would be complaining about the intolerance of black Harlem residents.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:55:15pm

re: #43 reine.de.tout

Why in the world is the UK National Lottery telling me to file a claim?

SPAM, spam, spam, spam....

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:55:25pm

re: #150 windsagio

lol that's a hell of a name.

You're right on about internet tough guys btw. They tend to 'own' all kinds of outlandish and unlikely weapons too (Desert Eagles are a fave).

Iron fist routinely likes to write fire-arms masturbation threads. But it has gotton more rich, massive moobed grimcargo is offering to be the "lookout" in a dream fight with me.

Even in their fantasies, the little cowards know to come in a pack.

I wonder how any self respecting woman could assosciate with such un-manly garbage. I suppose the answer then is that creatures like Guggi just have always been doormat leftovers once the men with actual prospects turned them down.

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Targetpractice Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:59:18pm

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

SPAM, spam, spam, spam...

"Oh, I don't like Spam!"

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Wozza Matter? Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:59:40pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

That's my feeling as well. The Republicans have probably hurt themselves and their midterm gains will be much smaller than they should be but I'm not seeing a whole lot of hard evidence (polls, etc) showing a mass exodus from the Republican party.

the middle and left has gone - i think they are picking up previously non voting hystericals.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:59:46pm

re: #67 avanti

Well, one Republican spoke honestly on the issue:

"Intellectually the President may be right. But this is an emotional issue and people who lost kids, brothers, sisters, fathers, do not want that mosque in New York and it's going to be a big, big issue for Democrats across this country," Ed Rollins, a Republican strategist, told CBS' "Face The Nation" program. "

I guess we need a POTUS that tosses out the constitution protections based on emotions, not reason. BTW, the emotions lead many to not want a mosque built anywhere, not just NY.

That's the issue for me. How far is emotional response allowed to drive us?

Given that Manhattanites, who actually have to live with the footprint of the WTC are more positive toward the mosque than those of us farther away...I have to wonder.

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windsagio Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:00:54pm

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

Because as much as I like to dig on NY, they're pretty urbane and exposed to various cultures. The problem is the people that have never seen a mosque.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:02:32pm

re: #138 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah but right now let's give savage his woman abusing, due. I just love the idea of an aging, dweeby, unemployed trucker, who lives with his mom, that he screams at, going to ozz-fest to "be cool."

I can't take Donato and Martinez seriously, these two intellectual midgets ran the most inept trolling operation in web history against progressive blogs, including Think Progress.

These guys are two of the most lame stalker trolls on the tubes, they fail on epic an epic scale. Someone should ask how Martinez's stalking of Keith Olbermann worked out. Bad enough that he had to shed the name Trajan and start over as Rodan. Troll central did a clean up, they made three of his stalker blogs vanish.
How can anyone take a loser like that seriously?

Donoto was inept because he always over reached, he tried to pretend to be well educated and it wasn't difficult to tear him to pieces by exposing him as a fraud. They were so lame that I began to think they just weren't trying anymore, nobody could be that stupid.

I was wrong, Donoto is really slow. If it wasn't for gravity, his feet would have problem finding the floor when he got out of bed.

I have some hilarious stories to tell, unfortunately I don't have the time to sit down and write them properly. Maybe I should try to find the time and write them on LGF Pages.

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Wozza Matter? Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:02:34pm

re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist

That's the issue for me. How far is emotional response allowed to drive us?

Given that Manhattanites, who actually have to live with the footprint of the WTC are more positive toward the mosque than those of us farther away...I have to wonder.

Londoners stood up for multiculturalism after the attacks on 7/7. We realised it was an attack on ALL londoners of all colours, creeds and faiths.

Manhattanites seem to be sticking with the idea of religious tolerance............. good for them :-)

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:03:40pm

re: #143 erraticsphinx

Not to mention the guy wants to ban the Koran...I wonder what "feelings" conservatives want us to have that would support that?

Not conservatives. Radicals.

And, intense ones.

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RadicalModerate Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:05:30pm

re: #154 LudwigVanQuixote

After glancing at your exchange I just had to trundle down to the stalker site to see what you guys were talking about.

I want my five minutes back.
Star Trek slash fiction was more creative than that attempted prose. I swear, it reads like something a 12-year-old boy with a violence fetish would write.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:05:44pm

re: #156 wozzablog

the middle and left has gone - i think they are picking up previously non voting hystericals.

Repubs are actually picking up the "middle'. The same "middle" that gave Obama the election

[Link: dailyradar.com...]

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:06:13pm

re: #160 wozzablog

Londoners stood up for multiculturalism after the attacks on 7/7. We realised it was an attack on ALL londoners of all colours, creeds and faiths.

Manhattanites seem to be sticking with the idea of religious tolerance... good for them :-)

Damn skippy. And London has seen a lot worse, and kept going, and people do remember that, even if only from their gran's stories.

Manhattan shows the same spirit. God I love a big city!

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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:06:48pm

re: #156 wozzablog

re: #163 sattv4u2

Repubs are actually picking up the "middle'. The same "middle" that gave Obama the election

[Link: dailyradar.com...]

a more direct link

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

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Fozzie Bear Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:08:13pm

re: #163 sattv4u2

Repubs are actually picking up the "middle'. The same "middle" that gave Obama the election

[Link: dailyradar.com...]

When did independents abandoning the DNC equate to the GOP picking them up? Both parties are losing affiliation. Not the same thing.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:09:18pm

re: #166 Fozzie Bear

When did independents abandoning the DNC equate to the GOP picking them up? Both parties are losing affiliation. Not the same thing.

Did you read any of the link, or did you just knee jerk it?

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:10:17pm

re: #162 RadicalModerate

After glancing at your exchange I just had to trundle down to the stalker site to see what you guys were talking about.

I want my five minutes back.
Star Trek slash fiction was more creative than that attempted prose. I swear, it reads like something a 12-year-old boy with a violence fetish would write.

Well that is about what they are. They have decided to spread their love for me by insulting Miss S. also. One of them suggested I rape her because she wants it.

Isn't that classy?

And it is pretty typical really.

The reason I keep looking there is that they really are representative of the sorts who like Gellar and Malkin and Rush and Palin. Thsi is what happens when you allow utter losers to stew in revenge fantasies for years fueld by Fox propaganda.

They are a representative cross section of the rank and file tea-baggs.

Simple point is that the Teabags and those like them, represent everything repulsive about America, distilled into a rancid bolus.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:11:16pm

re: #159 Reginald Perrin

I can't take Donato and Martinez seriously, these two intellectual midgets ran the most inept trolling operation in web history against progressive blogs, including Think Progress.

These guys are two of the most lame stalker trolls on the tubes, they fail on epic an epic scale. Someone should ask how Martinez's stalking of Keith Olbermann worked out. Bad enough that he had to shed the name Trajan and start over as Rodan. Troll central did a clean up, they made three of his stalker blogs vanish.
How can anyone take a loser like that seriously?

Donoto was inept because he always over reached, he tried to pretend to be well educated and it wasn't difficult to tear him to pieces by exposing him as a fraud. They were so lame that I began to think they just weren't trying anymore, nobody could be that stupid.

I was wrong, Donoto is really slow. If it wasn't for gravity, his feet would have problem finding the floor when he got out of bed.

I have some hilarious stories to tell, unfortunately I don't have the time to sit down and write them properly. Maybe I should try to find the time and write them on LGF Pages.

I think many would love to read them. I know I would.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:12:51pm

re: #160 wozzablog

Londoners stood up for multiculturalism after the attacks on 7/7. We realised it was an attack on ALL londoners of all colours, creeds and faiths.

Manhattanites seem to be sticking with the idea of religious tolerance... good for them :-)

Please do remember that this is still America, despite the depredations of the GOP.

What the GOP has done is become a sieve that collects the most uneducated, classless and repulsive from our nation.

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jayzee Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:15:25pm

re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist

Damn skippy. And London has seen a lot worse, and kept going, and people do remember that, even if only from their gran's stories.

Manhattan shows the same spirit. God I love a big city!

Manhattan ISN'T the totality of NY City. NY is Manhattan, SI, Queens, Bronx and Brooklyn. Even in Manhattan, remember a minority of the people actually support the mosque, it's just that more support it than endorse it. Support it or oppose it though isn't relevant. It is a matter of freedom of religion.

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jayzee Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:17:01pm

re: #171 jayzee

support it than oppose it. PIMF

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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:17:57pm

re: #171 jayzee

Manhattan ISN'T the totality of NY City. NY is Manhattan, SI, Queens, Bronx and Brooklyn. Even in Manhattan, remember a minority of the people actually support the mosque, it's just that more support it than endorse it. Support it or oppose it though isn't relevant. It is a matter of freedom of religion.

WIDELY diverse

Go from one Borough to another ,, hell, go from one neighborhood In a Borough to another and it's totally different

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jayzee Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:19:58pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

WIDELY diverse

Go from one Borough to another ,, hell, go from one neighborhood In a Borough to another and it's totally different

Being an outer borough kid my whole life I get kinda pissed when someone tells me that because I'm from Brooklyn, I'm less of a NY'er than a kid from Ohio living 15 deep in a studio apartment in Manhattan is.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:23:23pm

re: #174 jayzee

Being an outer borough kid my whole life I get kinda pissed when someone tells me that because I'm from Brooklyn, I'm less of a NY'er than a kid from Ohio living 15 deep in a studio apartment in Manhattan is.

but ,, you ARE !!!

////

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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:24:07pm

re: #174 jayzee

btw ,,, The Yankeeeeeeessss LOST !!

(Boston born here !!)

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Reginald Perrin Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:28:29pm

re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not sure that LGF is the best venue, the stalkers already have a shit load of butthurt against LGF, why feed them more?
I have resisted posting these stories because of concern for their retaliation.

I just visited the cesspool, something I don't like to do, the place is an insane asylum. The stalkers are calling your beloved a prostitute.

Meanwhile Donato is claiming Charles has all the attributes of a wife beater.......

....the irony meter explodes.

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jayzee Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:25:27pm

re: #176 sattv4u2

btw ,,, The Yankeeesss LOST !!
That's something you guys should be use to. Oh wait....

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 15, 2010 6:15:58pm

re: #177 Reginald Perrin

I am not sure that LGF is the best venue, the stalkers already have a shit load of butthurt against LGF, why feed them more?
I have resisted posting these stories because of concern for their retaliation.

I just visited the cesspool, something I don't like to do, the place is an insane asylum. The stalkers are calling your beloved a prostitute.

Meanwhile Donato is claiming Charles has all the attributes of a wife beater...

...the irony meter explodes.

What retaliation can they do really? They are a bunch of cyber commandos in their own minds. Seriously, what are they going to do? Start a blog that follows everything we say and then howl like gibbons?

They have already done that.

I think it would be useful to get a nice bit of detail on the far right's habits, so that everyone can learn what sort of people they are in depth.

Seriously? Cut loose and let's see these scumbags in their glory.

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