Will Bunch: Glenn Beck Rewrites Civil Rights History

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Here’s an excellent article by Will Bunch on the dishonest historical revisionism being quite successfully pushed by Glenn Beck, with the help of a cottage industry of extreme right wing religious fanatics determined to recast American history as a white Christian fable: Glenn Beck rewrites civil rights history.

More recently, Beck has featured on Fox, at several well-attended “American Revivals” and on his web-based “university” a new right-hand man — David Barton, a key figure in the recent right-wing rewrite of Texas school textbooks — to teach his viewers the much-debunked idea that America’s creation was rooted in Christianity.

Barton’s machine-gun-paced spewing of 18th-century God references and black-robed revolutionary preachers gives less than short shrift to the real achievement of the Founders in separating church and state. In April, Barton told Beck’s 3 million TV viewers that “we use the Ten Commandments as basis of civil law and the Western world [and it] has been for 2,000 years.”

The results of this re-education campaign have been nothing short of phenomenal. A mere on-air endorsement by Beck of any obscure book — such as “Sacred Fire,” on the spirituality of George Washington — will propel it to the best-seller list. Now, thousands of fans have signed up for a paid “insider” package that includes an online Glenn Beck University with lectures by Barton and others.

But pseudo-history is having a real impact on current events. In Texas, the new school curriculum downgrades democracy-minded Thomas Jefferson as well as 1960s civil rights. In the political arena, some activists are pushing to repeal the 17th Amendment that allows people to elect U.S. senators directly — largely because the measure was enacted during Wilson’s progressive era.

While all these histories are too important to lose to revisionism, none represents more of a risk than the civil rights era. In 1963, King understood that his dream of equal rights for black Americans would never happen without intervention from the federal government, a concept that’s such an anathema to the Tea Partiers, the Beck-sponsored 9/12 movement and the other right-wing radicals who’ll occupy the Mall this Saturday.

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281 comments
1 darthstar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:10:52am

Also read Eugene Robinson today…there’s a reason he won a Pulitzer.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

2 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:17:13am

Yeah, the Right seems real big on historical revisionism of late, probably because portraying this as a “Christian nation” is the only way their 18th century, bass-ackwards morals make sense.

Comrade Stalin would be proud. *rolls eyes*

3 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:18:09am

The textbook stuff is really chilling. As readily accessible as information is on the internet, a lot of people never bother to question the ‘official version’ of things. It’s also very hard to search for information on topics that are never brought up.

If there’s a history book that doesn’t bring up the subject of lynchings, it’s unlikely students at that school will ever learn about the subject of lynchings. Which is one reason why To Kill a Mockingbird and other books from the time period provide a safeguard against such things. But they’re not in any way, shape, or form comparable to the information being delivered in a history class.

I don’t have enough contempt for those who would diminish the importance of the Civil Rights movement. One of the greatest periods in US history. One of the most amazing examples of the triumph of the good.

4 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:19:03am

re: #2 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, the Right seems real big on historical revisionism of late, probably because portraying this as a “Christian nation” is the only way their 18th century, bass-ackwards morals make sense.

Comrade Stalin would be proud. *rolls eyes*

Are you claiming that Judea-Christian morals are back ass wards? All of them, or certain pick and choose ones?

5 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:19:32am

Of course, its important to note that when reclaiming the civil rights movement, not to bring any signs and to steer clear of scary immigrants and public transportation.

6 garhighway  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:19:39am

Oh, good. More Beck nonsense.

The sad fact is that throughout the vast bulk of the Civil Rights Movement, white conservatives were in opposition. They were not necessarily racists, but the normal conservative tendencies of resistance to change and respect for tradition put them on the wrong side of the issue.

7 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:21:45am

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

Are you claiming that Judea-Christian morals are back ass wards? All of them, or certain pick and choose ones?

Wel… maybe Recusency can answer my question?

8 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:22:45am

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

Are you claiming that Judea-Christian morals are back ass wards? All of them, or certain pick and choose ones?

Why would you ask that, when nothing he said in any way amounted to that?

9 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:22:57am

So, anyone want to take odds on how many people show to this rewriting of civil rights history? I put the over/under at 45,000. /cause you know that Beck and his supports will be out there claiming 100k or more showed up.

10 PAUL_MACDONALD  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:23:20am

That old guy learned more from Glenn Beck than he ever did in school? So, your school system has been crappy for a long time, I assume.

11 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:24:36am

re: #3 Obdicut

Waiting for Beck’s “American Revival” show in Orlando, Florida, in March, 70-year-old fan Joseph Cerniglia told me he was way too busy for civics lessons when he was raising kids and working as a stockbroker and then cider-maker. “I have learned more from Glenn Beck — learned more about American history and government, from Glenn Beck — than in the previous 40 years of my life,” the retiree told me.

Really really fucked up.

12 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:25:03am

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

Are you claiming that Judea-Christian morals are back ass wards? All of them, or certain pick and choose ones?

What exactly did I say in post that lead you to that conclusion?

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:25:50am

Yes, a religion can be the basis for a moral system, even for a system of laws. But the USA is about separating those divine revelations and the churches built around them from man-made laws and the institutions that make them.

America will truly come to pay the price for its neglect of basic education.

14 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:26:02am

re: #9 lawhawk

So, anyone want to take odds on how many people show to this rewriting of civil rights history? I put the over/under at 45,000. /cause you know that Beck and his supports will be out there claiming 100k or more showed up.

I’ll be impressed if they get more than 10,000. They filled a permit for 300,000.

15 deranged cat  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:26:05am

re: #11 Stanley Sea

really really dangerous, actually..

16 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:26:42am

Apparently John Stewart has labelled the Rally Beck’s “I have a scheme” speach.

17 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:27:11am

re: #15 deranged cat

really really dangerous, actually..

The only saving grace is that dude is 70. Hopefully his adult kids are just rolling their eyes.

And yes, read Eugene Robinson’s piece Darth posted.

18 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:27:49am

“White Christian fable”. Seems that Beck has never read Eyes on the Prize (or watched the award-winning video). Because if he did, he’d know that it was Black Churches that were instrumental in the civil rights movement, and that it was conservative whites who resisted the movement at every opportunity.

The Catholic Church’s involvement in the civil rights movement in the South was… mixed.

19 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:28:17am

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

Are you claiming that Judea-Christian morals are back ass wards? All of them, or certain pick and choose ones?

Certain ‘pick and choose’ ones, obviously. Like the Bible fuelled hatred for gays, or the killing of abortion doctors.

We really don’t need to consider religious mores as a lump, we can evaluate them individually.

20 sagehen  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:28:26am

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

Are you claiming that Judea-Christian morals are back ass wards? All of them, or certain pick and choose ones?

Actual Judeo-Christian morals? Or the selective variation thereof that Beckians like to claim are Judeo-Christian morals?

21 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:29:04am

re: #9 lawhawk

So, anyone want to take odds on how many people show to this rewriting of civil rights history? I put the over/under at 45,000. /cause you know that Beck and his supports will be out there claiming 100k or more showed up.

I’ll take a wild guess and say the real crowd numbers will be way less than whatever Beck and the right wing blogs claim.

22 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:29:41am

In the first “Glenn Beck Morning Prayer,”
David Barton says 8-28 rally was “called by” God:
[Link: mediamatters.org…]

23 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:30:33am
In 1963, King understood that his dream of equal rights for black Americans would never happen without intervention from the federal government, a concept that’s such an anathema to the Tea Partiers, the Beck-sponsored 9/12 movement and the other right-wing radicals who’ll occupy the Mall this Saturday.

Funny how the TP’ers don’t mind the federal government intervention in whatever moral cause (abortion, Terry Schiavo) or military engagement (Iraq, and now maybe Iran) they support, yet would deny said government support for all others.

Hypocritical bastards.

24 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:31:18am

re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What exactly did I say in post that lead you to that conclusion?

Er… because the foundation of our many of the west’s moral codes are based on Judeo-Christian moral codes, even when transfered to a secular society. It’s a cultural heritage of most of our founding fathers In turn, the foundations of those codes can be found in even more ancient codes like Hammurabi. Thier “their 18th century, bass-ackwards morals” were a cultural and political reality that help form the moral codes that we recognize as law.

25 sagehen  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:31:48am

re: #21 Charles

I’ll take a wild guess and say the real crowd numbers will be way less than whatever Beck and the right wing blogs claim.

aw c’mon, that’s cheating.

If you’re going to place a bet, there has to be at least a possibility you’re guessing wrong.

26 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:32:05am

re: #19 b_sharp

Certain ‘pick and choose’ ones, obviously. Like the Bible fuelled hatred for gays, or the killing of abortion doctors.

We really don’t need to consider religious mores as a lump, we can evaluate them individually.

And I was not talking about religion. I was talking about our political and cultural heritage that has foundational aspect in Judeo-Christian morals.

27 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:33:03am

re: #20 sagehen

Actual Judeo-Christian morals? Or the selective variation thereof that Beckians like to claim are Judeo-Christian morals?

Of course I was talking about actual… I don’t think Beck was around in the 18th century.

28 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:33:26am

re: #4 Walter L. Newton

Are you claiming that Judea-Christian morals are back ass wards? All of them, or certain pick and choose ones?

Why is it when the subject of this being a “Christian nation” is questioned, someone always feels the need to uselessly reference Judaism by appending Judea or Judeo to Christian? Yes, let’s entertain this idiocy, as if any attack on 18th Century Christian morality is thus inherently anti-semetic.

29 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:34:47am

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Er… because the foundation of our many of the west’s moral codes are based on Judeo-Christian moral codes, even when transfered to a secular society. It’s a cultural heritage of most of our founding fathers In turn, the foundations of those codes can be found in even more ancient codes like Hammurabi. Thier “their 18th century, bass-ackwards morals” were a cultural and political reality that help form the moral codes that we recognize as law.

And as a more enlightened and culturally aware society we are doing our best to get rid of those dumb and dumber moral values that have been obsolete for centuries.

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:35:51am

I understand why Beck has banned posters, somebody should inevitably show up with one promoting “andisestablishmentarianism” and block all the camera angles…

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:36:12am

and probably misspel it, too…

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:36:32am

antidiestablishmentarianism

33 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:37:05am

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Why is it when the subject of this being a “Christian nation” is questioned, someone always feels the need to uselessly reference Judaism by appending Judea or Judeo to Christian? Yes, let’s entertain this idiocy, as if any attack on 18th Century Christian morality is thus inherently anti-semetic.

Wow… big leap there Frankie. I was talking about the political and cultural reality that grids our secular laws that have a moral element to them. I wasn’t talking religion at all… and certainly not making any comment about anti-semitism one what or the other?

34 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:37:13am

re: #17 Stanley Sea

And yes, read Eugene Robinson’s piece Darth posted.

I love his description of Beck as a “puffed-up blabbermouth” :D

(and contrary to what some say, I don’t think Beck is crazy at all - he’s a con artist, huckster and snake oil overpriced gold salesman who’s found the perfect audience of woefully willing dupes for his schtick).

35 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:38:02am
36 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:38:03am

re: #34 publicityStunted

I love his description of Beck as a “puffed-up blabbermouth” :D

(and contrary to what some say, I don’t think Beck is crazy at all - he’s a con artist, huckster and snake oil overpriced gold salesman who’s found the perfect audience of woefully willing dupes for his schtick).


Even his craziness is calculated, as are his crying jags…

37 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:39:02am

re: #26 Walter L. Newton

And I was not talking about religion. I was talking about our political and cultural heritage that has foundational aspect in Judeo-Christian morals.

OK. Replace the word ‘religion’ with ‘Judea-Christian’ in my comment.

Do you mind listing a few of our valued western morals that come exclusively from the Judeo-Christian narrative?

Any morals that would not have resulted from the Enlightenment had it not started in a C

38 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:40:53am

Any morals that would not have resulted from the Enlightenment had it not started in a Christian nation?

39 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:41:00am

re: #29 b_sharp

And as a more enlightened and culturally aware society we are doing our best to get rid of those dumb and dumber moral values that have been obsolete for centuries.

That’s why I asked “All of them…” since the statement “their 18th century, bass-ackwards morals make sense” seem broad brushed and inclusive.

I’m all for getting rid of or adjusting the “dumb and dumber moral values” but I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Not every 18th century moral value is back ass wards, in my opinion.

40 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:41:41am

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Er… because the foundation of our many of the west’s moral codes are based on Judeo-Christian moral codes, even when transfered to a secular society. It’s a cultural heritage of most of our founding fathers In turn, the foundations of those codes can be found in even more ancient codes like Hammurabi. Thier “their 18th century, bass-ackwards morals” were a cultural and political reality that help form the moral codes that we recognize as law.

I was speaking of the pushing of archaic “morals” that are 100 years out of date on modern society as “right” because they are supposedly in keeping with the Christian heritage of our nation. Such as the suggestion that homosexuality is a “perversion” of God’s design and thus allowing them to marry inherently wrong. Or that abortion is murder because, according to The Church, life begins at conception and thus a fetus should be deemed as a living being in the eyes of the law, which is also mutated to be seen as a valid argument against embryonic stem cell research.

41 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:43:15am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

That’s why I asked “All of them…” since the statement “their 18th century, bass-ackwards morals make sense” seem broad brushed and inclusive.

I’m all for getting rid of or adjusting the “dumb and dumber moral values” but I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Not every 18th century moral value is back ass wards, in my opinion.

Even as an evil atheist, I will agree with that.

42 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:43:20am

re: #33 Walter L. Newton

Wow… big leap there Frankie. I was talking about the political and cultural reality that grids our secular laws that have a moral element to them. I wasn’t talking religion at all… and certainly not making any comment about anti-semitism one what or the other?

You’re rooting our society in terms of those two religious traditions, and only those two traditions, and deliberately or not you’re doing it using supersessionist terminology. I’ve never met a Jew who uses the term Judeo-Christian outside of an ironic context.

43 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:43:39am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

That’s why I asked “All of them…” since the statement “their 18th century, bass-ackwards morals make sense” seem broad brushed and inclusive.

I’m all for getting rid of or adjusting the “dumb and dumber moral values” but I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Not every 18th century moral value is back ass wards, in my opinion.

And this nation is not a Christian one, no matter how many times its pushed. Whether or not the common morals and beliefs we share came from one religion or another, we are a secular nation, as that is what our Founding Fathers intended. If they had wanted a “Christian nation,” they would have created one.

44 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:43:45am

re: #37 b_sharp

OK. Replace the word ‘religion’ with ‘Judea-Christian’ in my comment.

Do you mind listing a few of our valued western morals that come exclusively from the Judeo-Christian narrative?

Any morals that would not have resulted from the Enlightenment had it not started in a C

Are you claiming that much of the west’s secular moral values, as they evolved into a political and cultural setting, had no foundation in Judeo-Christian moral codes?

45 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:43:50am

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Why is it when the subject of this being a “Christian nation” is questioned, someone always feels the need to uselessly reference Judaism by appending Judea or Judeo to Christian? Yes, let’s entertain this idiocy, as if any attack on 18th Century Christian morality is thus inherently anti-semetic.

Is that why the term Judeo-Christian is used?
Funny, I thought it was just plain accurate and inclusive.

46 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:44:39am

re: #40 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I was speaking of the pushing of archaic “morals” that are 100 years out of date on modern society as “right” because they are supposedly in keeping with the Christian heritage of our nation. Such as the suggestion that homosexuality is a “perversion” of God’s design and thus allowing them to marry inherently wrong. Or that abortion is murder because, according to The Church, life begins at conception and thus a fetus should be deemed as a living being in the eyes of the law, which is also mutated to be seen as a valid argument against embryonic stem cell research.

You be diggin’ in my brain an stealin’ my ideas.

While you’re in there, mind straightening up a bit?

47 tnguitarist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:44:40am

re: #9 lawhawk

So, anyone want to take odds on how many people show to this rewriting of civil rights history? I put the over/under at 45,000. /cause you know that Beck and his supports will be out there claiming 100k or more showed up.

22,175

48 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:45:28am

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

You’re rooting our society in terms of those two religious traditions, and only those two traditions, and deliberately or not you’re doing it using supersessionist terminology. I’ve never met a Jew who uses the term Judeo-Christian outside of an ironic context.

Every single one I know does.

49 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:45:59am

re: #40 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I was speaking of the pushing of archaic “morals” that are 100 years out of date on modern society as “right” because they are supposedly in keeping with the Christian heritage of our nation. Such as the suggestion that homosexuality is a “perversion” of God’s design and thus allowing them to marry inherently wrong. Or that abortion is murder because, according to The Church, life begins at conception and thus a fetus should be deemed as a living being in the eyes of the law, which is also mutated to be seen as a valid argument against embryonic stem cell research.

My only point was you seemed to be broad brushing the 18th century morals as all inclusively useless. Evidently I agree with your point over, if you have ever paid attention to what I post around here. Also see my re: #39 Walter L. Newton

50 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:46:05am

re: #48 Spare O’Lake

Every single one I know does.

I don’t.

51 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:46:43am

I’m nearly 99% sure that Beck will stage a fake assassination attempt on himself. The only thing that would pad his ego even more would be for his followers to see him as some kind of superhuman figure… And he’s loony enough to try it.

52 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:47:18am

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

My only point was you seemed to be broad brushing the 18th century morals as all inclusively useless. Evidently I agree with your point over, if you have ever paid attention to what I post around here. Also see my re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Perhaps I might have worded my post better, made it a bit clearer.

53 PAUL_MACDONALD  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:47:26am

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Er… because the foundation of our many of the west’s moral codes are based on Judeo-Christian moral codes, even when transfered to a secular society. It’s a cultural heritage of most of our founding fathers In turn, the foundations of those codes can be found in even more ancient codes like Hammurabi. Thier “their 18th century, bass-ackwards morals” were a cultural and political reality that help form the moral codes that we recognize as law.

Not really, no. But whatever. There’s a longer discussion for this, but codification of basic societal structure has entirely nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian ethic. In fact, I put it to you that adoption of that junk stunted Western society during what is commonly referred to as “The Dark Ages”.

54 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:47:27am

re: #10 PAUL_MACDONALD

That old guy learned more from Glenn Beck than he ever did in school? So, your school system has been crappy for a long time, I assume.

No, it just means that he didn’t bother paying attention in school.

55 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:48:28am

Wow! A Friday off at the pool and a midday religious food fight breaks out..
Does it get any better? Let me put my paint gun gear on.. Hold on..
GPS on..OK Here we go…
*wink*

56 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:48:40am

re: #43 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And this nation is not a Christian one, no matter how many times its pushed. Whether or not the common morals and beliefs we share came from one religion or another, we are a secular nation, as that is what our Founding Fathers intended. If they had wanted a “Christian nation,” they would have created one.

When did I say this was a Christian Nation? Did you carefully read my comment about our founding fathers? I said “were a cultural and political reality that help form the moral codes that we recognize as law.” See the words “political and cultural.” I was only referring to the secular laws that have been influenced by past Judeo-Christians codes.

57 ShaunP  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:48:55am

re: #52 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Perhaps I might have worded my post better, made it a bit clearer.

No, it was clear; “they” was the social conservatives. Walter took it to a completely different level. I just couldn’t be sure if he was being serious or not…

58 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:49:14am

re: #50 Obdicut

I don’t.

I thought you were an atheist…isn’t that how you described yourself the other day?
In any case, are you telling me you never use the term “Judeo-Christian values”?

59 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:50:18am

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Er… because the foundation of our many of the west’s moral codes are based on Judeo-Christian moral codes, even when transfered to a secular society.

What are moral codes? Do you have examples?

60 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:50:46am

re: #56 Walter L. Newton

When did I say this was a Christian Nation? Did you carefully read my comment about our founding fathers? I said “were a cultural and political reality that help form the moral codes that we recognize as law.” See the words “political and cultural.” I was only referring to the secular laws that have been influenced by past Judeo-Christians codes.

It would seem that we’ve involved ourselves in a bit of friendly-fire.

61 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:51:11am

re: #50 Obdicut

I don’t.

Because you haven’t been perfected yet.

/Coulter

62 sagehen  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:51:12am

re: #48 Spare O’Lake

Every single one I know does.

So now you know one who doesn’t (me).

63 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:51:39am

re: #60 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It would seem that we’ve involved ourselves in a bit of friendly-fire.

Probably…

64 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:52:01am

/passes the popcorn

65 sagehen  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:52:06am

re: #51 samuraishake

I’m nearly 99% sure that Beck will stage a fake assassination attempt on himself. The only thing that would pad his ego even more would be for his followers to see him as some kind of superhuman figure… And he’s loony enough to try it.

I give it no more than 20% chance.

66 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:52:38am

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

/passes the popcorn

*munch, munch* Hey, where’s the artificial butter?!

67 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:53:05am

re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*munch, munch* Hey, where’s the artificial butter?!

I used the white cheddar topping.

68 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:53:15am

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

/passes the popcorn


Thanks…This is going to get good..Munch munch

69 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:54:05am

re: #65 sagehen

I give it no more than 20% chance.

I’m still hoping that as Beck takes the stage, the statue of Lincoln animates, grabs him and carrys him to the top of the Washington Monument.

70 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:54:24am

re: #65 sagehen

I give it no more than 20% chance.

I can barter. 80%?

71 webevintage  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:54:37am

re: #17 Stanley Sea

The only saving grace is that dude is 70. Hopefully his adult kids are just rolling their eyes.

And yes, read Eugene Robinson’s piece Darth posted.

That’s the thing about most FOX viewers…there are old and their way of thinking is going to slowly go away.

Some of the comments to the Robinson piece make me a sad panda.

72 sagehen  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:55:54am

re: #70 samuraishake

I can barter. 80%?

Nope. I’m holding firm at 20. Take it or leave it.

73 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:56:51am

re: #62 sagehen

So now you know one who doesn’t (me).

OK, but would you agree that the phrase “Judeo-Christian values” is commonly used by Jews and Christians alike?
And would you further agree that the term is a positive ecumenical construct rather than an artificial defence against criticism from outside?

74 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:57:01am

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

Are you claiming that much of the west’s secular moral values, as they evolved into a political and cultural setting, had no foundation in Judeo-Christian moral codes?

Sort of. I’m saying that the Christian model was taken from previous cultures that also influenced our modern ideas and because we have that common influence, it would be difficult to attribute a particular value exclusively to Christianity, which is what is implied in the whole ‘our morals are based on Christian values’ argument.

Claiming many values stem from a particular religiously based cultural heritage is a disingenuous attempt to minimize other influences through over simplification.

The question that needs to be asked, is where did Christianity get the ideas that eventually worked their way into our culture. Did Christianity develop those moral values or did those moral values, by trickling through Roman culture, develop Christianity?

75 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:57:01am

re: #58 Spare O’Lake

I thought you were an atheist…isn’t that how you described yourself the other day?
In any case, are you telling me you never use the term “Judeo-Christian values”?

I’m Jewish. I’m not religiously Jewish.

The term ‘Judeo-Christian’ values has passed through many meanings, and has no coherent one. It’s not a useful term in the least, no.

76 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:58:16am

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

You’re rooting our society in terms of those two religious traditions, and only those two traditions, and deliberately or not you’re doing it using supersessionist terminology. I’ve never met a Jew who uses the term Judeo-Christian outside of an ironic context.

I am using recognized scholarly terminology. As an atheist, I’m certainly not using supersessionist language, or veiled supersessionist terminology. Your disuse of the term does not lessen it’s meaning or it’s change the fact that it does carry a meaning in history.

77 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:58:42am

re: #74 b_sharp

I’d say our ethics and values are mostly based on enlightenment ideas. Some enlightenment values grew out of the Christian intellectual tradition, but many were explicit rejections of that tradition.

78 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:59:56am

re: #72 sagehen

Nope. I’m holding firm at 20. Take it or leave it.

50. 30. 12. (I don’t know how to barter)

95.

79 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:00:16am

re: #45 Spare O’Lake

Is that why the term Judeo-Christian is used?
Funny, I thought it was just plain accurate and inclusive.

Perhaps then it should be called Animist-Zoroastrian-Judeo-Christian.

80 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:00:42am

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

No, it doesn’t. It’s changed meanings multiple times. It currently has no well-defined meaning.

Feel free to define it.

81 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:01:24am

re: #50 Obdicut

I don’t.

Would that make you a JINO?

82 Jaerik  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:02:13am

Only 2.5 of the Ten Commandments have any parallel in law. (No stealing, no killing, and no false witness — but only under oath in a highly ritualized court setting.)

Of others, 3 are forbidden from being enforced by the Bill of Rights. (No other gods, freedom of religion. No graven images, freedom of expression. Name in vain, freedom of speech.)

Of the remaining, adultery isn’t illegal. Coveting your neighbor’s stuff is actively encouraged. Honoring thy father and mother has no legal basis. And keeping the Sabbath is only expressed in antiquated and quaint blue laws.

Hardly the basis for our legal system. Arguably, more commandments are explicitly rebuffed by our legal system than enforced.

83 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:02:29am

re: #74 b_sharp

Sort of. I’m saying that the Christian model was taken from previous cultures that also influenced our modern ideas and because we have that common influence, it would be difficult to attribute a particular value exclusively to Christianity, which is what is implied in the whole ‘our morals are based on Christian values’ argument.

Claiming many values stem from a particular religiously based cultural heritage is a disingenuous attempt to minimize other influences through over simplification.

The question that needs to be asked, is where did Christianity get the ideas that eventually worked their way into our culture. Did Christianity develop those moral values or did those moral values, by trickling through Roman culture, develop Christianity?

I think I address that above when I referenced Hammurabi. Unless I’m missing something, terms like Judeo-Christian has note in the scholarly world and is appropriate in the way I used it and addresses ideas based on it.

Of course we could micro-dissect the origins of everything, but in a general discussion, I think I covered the progression, and my thoughts using recognized terminology.

84 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:02:41am

re: #81 b_sharp

Would that make you a JINO?

A lot of religious Jews would consider me a Jew in name only. If your definition of Jew involves practicing Judaism, I’m not one.

It’s one of the tensions inside Jewish culture— who is a Jew?

85 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:03:13am

re: #82 Jaerik

Also, count how many of the constitutional amendments are in the bible. None.

86 sagehen  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:03:18am

re: #73 Spare O’Lake

OK, but would you agree that the phrase “Judeo-Christian values” is commonly used by Jews and Christians alike?
And would you further agree that the term is a positive ecumenical construct rather than an artificial defence against criticism from outside?

Jews who work in politics use “Judeo-Christian” when speaking to a majority-Christian audience.

When speaking amongst ourselves, it means “Christian values, except this time leaving out the part about burning us at the stake.”

87 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:04:12am

Does anyone really believe Beck or Beck’s people didn’t know about King’s speech, or check the date for other activities on the Mall?

88 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:04:25am

re: #86 sagehen

Jews who work in politics use “Judeo-Christian” when speaking to a majority-Christian audience.

When speaking amongst ourselves, it means “Christian values, except this time leaving out the part about burning us at the stake.”

That’s one of those “18th century, bass-ackwards morals” that I think we can do without :)

89 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:04:34am

re: #75 Obdicut

I’m Jewish. I’m not religiously Jewish.

The term ‘Judeo-Christian’ values has passed through many meanings, and has no coherent one. It’s not a useful term in the least, no.

You did not answer my request for confirmation of your previous unequivocal denial that you use the term. Leaving aside your historical views on the term or its utility, are you telling me you never use the term “Judeo-Christian values”? Yes or no, please.

90 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:04:45am

re: #68 HoosierHoops

Thanks…This is going to get good..Munch munch

Targetpractice, Kragar, Hoops; may I see your tickets please?

91 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:04:50am

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

You’re wrong to think that Judeo-Christian is a term with recognized meaning in scholarly debate, yes.

It has a varied history, but in the US it was first consciously used to promote the idea that the US was not just a Protestation nation, to be more inclusive.

It has no well-defined meaning. I’d be curious to know what you think it means, though.

92 elizajane  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:05:52am

re: #87 jaunte

Does anyone really believe Beck or Beck’s people didn’t know about King’s speech, or check the date for other activities on the Mall?

Of course he didn’t know. Important moments in the history of the Civil Rights movement? Isn’t that the kind of thing they’re busy removing from the textbooks in Texas?

93 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:07:09am

re: #72 sagehen

Nope. I’m holding firm at 20. Take it or leave it.

3:1 Beck spins up the right wing…He goes all Elmer Gantry on us
5:1 Beck makes appearance with a red Clown Nose on
6:1 Beck goes for the really big shoes and goes blind on stage.
7:1 Somebody records Beck’s Speech and and put’s Hitler’s voice to it
7.5:1 That video will get a million hits on YouTube
8:1 Beck buys Fox news..With Gold

94 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:08:00am

re: #90 b_sharp

Targetpractice, Kragar, Hoops; may I see your tickets please?

Here you go

95 webevintage  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:08:08am

I guess in light of all that had been going on in the past 2 years one should not be surprised to read a story like this:

Mississippi Middle School Segregates Student Government Officers: Only Whites Can Run For President
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

But I am.
I am surprised that in 2010 something like this could be passed out to students..or in 2009 or in 2000 or in 1990.

96 sagehen  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:08:12am

re: #82 Jaerik

Only 2.5 of the Ten Commandments have any parallel in law. (No stealing, no killing, and no false witness — but only under oath in a highly ritualized court setting.)

All of which were pretty close to univeral human values, present in cultures that had never heard of Christianity, Judaism, or the 10 commandments.

Any moral precept that’s “coincidentally” also found in Inca and Aztec and Confucian and Hindu and Iroquois and Inuit tradition… it’s disingenuous at best (and maybe an outright lie) to call it “Christian.”

97 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:08:25am

re: #80 Obdicut

Feel free to define it.

Judeo-Christian: Everything that’s awesome about Christian America that isn’t fucking muslim.

Did you hear, we’re letting Jews into our country club now, how Judeo-Christian of us!

98 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:08:55am

re: #92 elizajane

As long as Beck’s getting biblical, maybe one of his people will pass him this message:

A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.
Proverbs 19:5
99 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:09:08am

re: #93 HoosierHoops

Instead of fantasy football, let’s do fantasy wingnuts - you draft wingnuts to your team and get points for all the incendiary stuff they say. 5 points for a racist remark, 10 points for a call to violence, 7 points for invoking 9/11…etc.

100 Batman  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:09:18am

Name one “value” that came from Judeo-Christian morals that aren’t part of every culture on the planet, that didn’t come about because we are intelligent social animals that understand what is good and bad for society, and wouldn’t have come about without religion.

Name one thing about our system of laws that comes from Christianity. Christianity meant the Divine Right of the kings and emperors for as long as it was a major religion, and our entire democratic system is an affront to that — a total reversal of established order, brought to you courtesy of the Enlightenment.

101 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:09:30am

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

That’s one of those “18th century, bass-ackwards morals” that I think we can do without :)

What about the “if you’re not at least a middle class white male from a good family, you’re a peice of shit.”? Can we loose that one too?

102 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:09:31am

re: #89 Spare O’Lake

You did not answer my request for confirmation of your previous unequivocal denial that you use the term. Leaving aside your historical views on the term or its utility, are you telling me you never use the term “Judeo-Christian values”? Yes or no, please.

No, I never use it, except to talk about how ineffective and useless it is a term.

That should have been very obvious.

Here’s a good comment by SFZ on the subject:


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

It was a consciously political term in its inception. It is still one when used by people like Beck.

103 RadicalModerate  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:09:34am

Is it just me, or do most of the Glenn Beck lovers seem to be bigger fans of James Earl Ray than of Martin Luther King?

104 webevintage  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:10:13am

re: #93 HoosierHoops

3:1 Beck spins up the right wing…He goes all Elmer Gantry on us
5:1 Beck makes appearance with a red Clown Nose on
6:1 Beck goes for the really big shoes and goes blind on stage.
7:1 Somebody records Beck’s Speech and and put’s Hitler’s voice to it
7.5:1 That video will get a million hits on YouTube
8:1 Beck buys Fox news..With Gold

Either he will go blind on stage (I still don’t believe he has anything wrong with his eyes) or at the height of the rally he will claim God has healed him though the hands of President Palin.

105 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:10:59am

re: #87 jaunte

Does anyone really believe Beck or Beck’s people didn’t know about King’s speech, or check the date for other activities on the Mall?

They may know of it but do they understand what was being said? Glenn is good at manipulating spin and undoubtedly has linked King’s ideas with his own in the minds of his flock of sycophants. (Do sycophants come in flocks? Or maybe gaggles.)

He’d be a great PR guy for a tyrant.

106 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:11:17am

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

Judeo-Christian: Everything that’s awesome about Christian America that isn’t fucking muslim.

Did you hear, we’re letting Jews into our country club now, how Judeo-Christian of us!

Judeo-Christianophobic much?

107 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:11:45am

re: #91 Obdicut

You’re wrong to think that Judeo-Christian is a term with recognized meaning in scholarly debate, yes.

It has a varied history, but in the US it was first consciously used to promote the idea that the US was not just a Protestation nation, to be more inclusive.

It has no well-defined meaning. I’d be curious to know what you think it means, though.

You may not hear the term used by multiculturalist, but it has not become politically incorrect to use it nor has the term suddenly lost it’s meaning just because some people question it’s use. And it is still used in a scholarly setting.

108 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:12:10am

OT
Please remember the family of a Kane County Deputy shot and killed while pursuing a robbery suspect across the Arizona border
yesterday!
The suspect is still evading capture in the Kanab,Utah area !
Helicopters have been holding back..as he has freely been firing on
them and apparently damaged one risking the lives of more Officers!
Well armed and a Native American with extensive survival skills
he will not be easy to Apprehend!

109 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:12:29am

re: #107 Walter L. Newton

You may not hear the term used by multiculturalist, but it has not become politically incorrect to use it nor has the term suddenly lost it’s meaning just because some people question it’s use. And it is still used in a scholarly setting.

Then define it, Walter.

110 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:13:14am

re: #104 webevintage

Either he will go blind on stage (I still don’t believe he has anything wrong with his eyes) or at the height of the rally he will claim God has healed him though the hands of President Palin.

You’d think that part would have better historical support if he was inflicted with scrofula…

111 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:13:32am

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about the “if you’re not at least a middle class white male from a good family, you’re a peice of shit.”? Can we loose that one too?

I’m going to take your question to me as sarcasm which you are using to make a point, because if I was to even think that you were asking me that because you think I would agree with that… I would have to spew forth a rather long and wordy insult to you.

112 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:13:51am

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here you go

Next time wait until I have a mouthful of Coke instead of water. You’ll get a much better show.

Oh, my nose.

113 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:14:45am

re: #95 webevintage

I guess in light of all that had been going on in the past 2 years one should not be surprised to read a story like this:

Mississippi Middle School Segregates Student Government Officers: Only Whites Can Run For President
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

But I am.
I am surprised that in 2010 something like this could be passed out to students..or in 2009 or in 2000 or in 1990.

Isn’t that just a vintage piece of crap?

114 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:14:49am

re: #109 Obdicut

Then define it, Walter.

Pick one… I like the one from the Washington Post at the top of the page…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

115 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:15:41am

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Pick one… I like the one from the Washington Post at the top of the page…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Oh… and I’m done with that subject.

116 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:15:42am

re: #108 reloadingisnotahobby

Huh?

117 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:16:23am

re: #99 samuraishake

Instead of fantasy football, let’s do fantasy wingnuts - you draft wingnuts to your team and get points for all the incendiary stuff they say. 5 points for a racist remark, 10 points for a call to violence, 7 points for invoking 9/11…etc.

OK, my first draft pick is Geller.

118 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:16:28am

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

I’m going to take your question to me as sarcasm which you are using to make a point, because if I was to even think that you were asking me that because you think I would agree with that… I would have to spew forth a rather long and wordy insult to you.

Whatever you like, thats what scroll buttons are for.

119 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:16:48am

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Pick one… I like the one from the Washington Post at the top of the page…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Heh. Pick one. Exactly.

I say that it has no well-defined meaning. You argue against that. Then you cite a portion of Wikipedia titled ‘multiple meanings’.

Now that’s comedy.

120 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:17:34am

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about the “if you’re not at least a middle class white male from a good family, you’re a peice of shit.”? Can we loose that one too?

I’d rather lose it than loose it, but then I’m an asshole pedant.

121 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:17:37am

re: #93 HoosierHoops

1:100 — Beck cries.

122 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:17:42am

re: #102 Obdicut

No, I never use it, except to talk about how ineffective and useless it is a term.

That should have been very obvious.

Here’s a good comment by SFZ on the subject:


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

It was a consciously political term in its inception. It is still one when used by people like Beck.

You bastardize an ecumenically inclusive construct which recognizes the fact that Christianity was an outgrowth of Judaism, and that enlightened Christians and Jews have much more in common than what divides them.

123 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:18:02am

re: #104 webevintage

Either he will go blind on stage (I still don’t believe he has anything wrong with his eyes) or at the height of the rally he will claim God has healed him though the hands of President Palin.

Beck has tacked hard right with religion and political policy…I don’t recall a time like this..He really is starting to remind me of Elmer Gantry…words that tickle the ears and poison the soul…
Mr. Beck..Leave your religion and views of God out of American Politics..
Thank you

124 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:18:10am

re: #116 samuraishake

Huh?


Just asking for thoughts and prayers for ALOT of Officers
pursuing a very dangerous killer as I type this…
I know several of them personally…………

125 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:18:27am

re: #117 b_sharp

OK, my first draft pick is Geller.

She was the #1 seed!

126 avanti  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:19:01am

Fox news is now hyping the story about the administration denying the troops the right to vote by issuing time waivers to a few states. The new law says states have to mail ballots within 45 days of a election.

Magyn Kelly just had a gal on the Washington state that tried to explain why her state asked for, and received the waiver. They mail 30 days prior, but allow 21 days after the election for the ballots to be returned. That effectively means the troops have 6 more days than the 45 day law, but Magyn did not let that fact confuse her theory that Obama is dissing the troops and denying them the right to vote.
The poor gal tried to explain that with the the late primary elections it was impossible to mail 45 days early, and thus the 3 week window after the election for the votes to count, but Magyn just shouted her down.

Notice Fox does not exactly say the votes won’t count at the link, but they sure hint at it. The waivers don’t effect that troops votes in any way, but Magyn just said ” A number of troops will not be able to vote in the mid terms” BTW, the waivers are part of a new law, and it made it impossible for some states to comply, and thus the laws allowance for a waiver.

Votes.
127 allegro  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:19:02am

re: #123 HoosierHoops

Mr. Beck..Leave your religion and views of God out of American Politics..
Thank you

FTFY :)

128 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:19:38am

re: #117 b_sharp

OK, my first draft pick is Geller.

Oh sure, go nuclear on the first round pick.

129 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:20:17am

re: #122 Spare O’Lake

You bastardize an ecumenically inclusive construct which recognizes the fact that Christianity was an outgrowth of Judaism, and that enlightened Christians and Jews have much more in common than what divides them.

No, I don’t. Are you unaware of the origins of the term? It really did start as a consciously political term. It’s continued as one.

To the extent that it has any decent meaning, it’s about how Puritans hearkened back to the old testament to build on their values, and saw themselves as the inheritors of that old tradition. They didn’t, of course, consult rabbis or any, you know, Jews, in order to construct this “Judeo-Christian” framework of thought. So not really so much ‘Judeo’. More just Christian.

130 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:20:36am

re: #117 b_sharp

OK, my first draft pick is Geller.

I’ve got Sister Sarah. Angle is on injured reserve for the time being.

131 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:21:23am

re: #130 Stanley Sea

I’ve got Sister Sarah. Angle is on injured reserve for the time being.

I’m taking Chuck Norris in the 1st round.

132 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:21:28am

Speaking of disagreements over “Judeo-Christian” values…

Ohio strippers stage picket outside church services

Several Ohio strippers are protesting outside a church whose members want to put their strip club out of business.

“Light and darkness cannot exist together,” Pastor Bill Dunfee told the Associated Press news agency, “so the Fox Hole has got to go.”

“Everybody has sinned, and that doesn’t mean I’m not going to get into heaven,” Fox Hole stripper Laura Meske, 42, told AP. “I believe in Jesus. I don’t believe what they preach. They preach hate.”

133 avanti  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:22:32am

re: #126 avanti

corrected link.

134 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:22:38am

re: #131 samuraishake

I’m taking Chuck Norris in the 1st round.

I’m going for comedy with Kirk Cameron. I won’t win, but we’ll better youtube vidoes.

135 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:23:06am

re: #130 Stanley Sea

I’ve got Sister Sarah. Angle is on injured reserve for the time being.

My next pick is Savage. Oh, and Buchanan.

136 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:23:38am

re: #131 samuraishake

I’m taking Chuck Norris in the 1st round.

Great pick, my scouts completely missed him.

137 ShaunP  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:23:54am

re: #135 b_sharp

My next pick is Savage. Oh, and Buchanan.

Rush goes in the third round…

138 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:24:06am

re: #134 Obdicut

I’m going for comedy with Kirk Cameron. I won’t win, but we’ll better youtube vidoes.

I’m taking the View for my entire starting roster.

139 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:24:22am

re: #90 b_sharp

Targetpractice, Kragar, Hoops; may I see your tickets please?

*Digs through pockets* Uhm…sure…here ya go…

Image: get_out_of_jail.gif

140 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:24:30am

re: #135 b_sharp

My next pick is Savage. Oh, and Buchanan.

The saddest part is that no one has picked Rush yet. 2 years ago he would’ve been top pick, but he’s shunned with all the crazies coming out lately.

141 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:24:31am

re: #134 Obdicut

I’m going for comedy with Kirk Cameron. I won’t win, but we’ll better youtube vidoes.

I think you also get Comfort with that pick.

142 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:24:56am

re: #135 b_sharp

I’ll take Victoria Jackson. That gives my team some surprising depth, actually.

143 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:25:33am

re: #141 b_sharp

I think you also get Comfort with that pick.

Can I have Dennis Prager.

144 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:26:09am

re: #130 Stanley Sea

Er, it was you who wanted the bracelet my wife made, right?

145 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:26:13am

re: #137 ShaunP

Odd that he’s dropped down so far, despite not changing his views at all…

146 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:26:41am

re: #129 Obdicut

No, I don’t. Are you unaware of the origins of the term? It really did start as a consciously political term. It’s continued as one.

To the extent that it has any decent meaning, it’s about how Puritans hearkened back to the old testament to build on their values, and saw themselves as the inheritors of that old tradition. They didn’t, of course, consult rabbis or any, you know, Jews, in order to construct this “Judeo-Christian” framework of thought. So not really so much ‘Judeo’. More just Christian.

Your hostility to the term is strange, since it is certainly not an anti-Semitic term and in common usage is used to unite Jews and Christians rather than to divide them.
Try not to let the Beck craziness get your Jew-Fu all twisted up.

147 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:26:49am

re: #142 Obdicut

I’ll take Victoria Jackson. That gives my team some surprising depth, actually.

Tancredo, 2nd round.

148 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:26:59am

re: #141 b_sharp

I’m taking Dennis Miller FTW!

149 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:27:01am

OH! I want that dumbass Limbaugh had sitting in for him today, Urbanski I think it was.

150 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:27:05am

re: #144 Obdicut

Yes.

151 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:27:29am

re: #143 Walter L. Newton

Can I have Dennis Prager.

He was the one who freaked out over Ellison taking the oath of office on a Qu-Ran, right?

Good pick.

152 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:27:32am

re: #131 samuraishake

I’m taking Chuck Norris in the 1st round.

I’m taking Mel Gibson, 3 bottles of wine and all his Voice Mails recorded by his Ex-Wives at a speed trap on Highway one.

153 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:27:42am

Since Kragar picked The View, I think we need to limit team size.

154 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:27:58am

re: #147 Stanley Sea

Tancredo, 2nd round.

Honestly… Tancredo doesn’t deserve to be on anyones team… that is a vile racist bastard who I wish would just disappear.

155 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:28:19am

re: #151 Obdicut

He was the one who freaked out over Ellison taking the oath of office on a Qu-Ran, right?

Good pick.

Yes.

156 Nimed  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:28:20am

re: #82 Jaerik

Only 2.5 of the Ten Commandments have any parallel in law. (No stealing, no killing, and no false witness — but only under oath in a highly ritualized court setting.)

Of others, 3 are forbidden from being enforced by the Bill of Rights. (No other gods, freedom of religion. No graven images, freedom of expression. Name in vain, freedom of speech.)

Of the remaining, adultery isn’t illegal. Coveting your neighbor’s stuff is actively encouraged. Honoring thy father and mother has no legal basis. And keeping the Sabbath is only expressed in antiquated and quaint blue laws.

Hardly the basis for our legal system. Arguably, more commandments are explicitly rebuffed by our legal system than enforced.

Not to mention that most of the Commandments that do have a parallel in Law are as universal as you can get. There isn’t any human society that doesn’t punish lying under certain circumstances, or theft, or murder, because these rules come very handy when it comes to interacting with other people.

157 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:28:33am

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

Honestly… Tancredo doesn’t deserve to be on anyones team… that is a vile racist bastard who I wish would just disappear.

Hey, I want to win this.

158 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:28:42am

I’m sorry or the off topic, but I just found this.

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

The person who was stabbed is still proud to be a New Yorker.

159 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:28:45am

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

that is a vile racist bastard who I wish would just disappear.

He’s worth at least 50 points per game

160 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:28:50am

re: #153 b_sharp

Since Kragar picked The View, I think we need to limit team size.

Hey, we got to have a full roster right? Injuries and substitutes. I’m just making sure I can field a full team all season.

161 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:29:01am

Shit, to counter you guys I have to take Glenn.

162 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:29:34am

re: #132 publicityStunted

Speaking of disagreements over “Judeo-Christian” values…

Ohio strippers stage picket outside church services

Upding for clever segue.

163 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:29:52am

re: #131 samuraishake

I’ll go with Rush (or if he’s taken, then Pat Robertson).

164 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:29:53am

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Hey, I want to win this.

Win what… I don’t even know what’s going on… I missed what started this “team picking” stuff… I was busy making paper airplanes out of a Koran. :)

165 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:29:56am

re: #146 Spare O’Lake

Your hostility to the term is strange, since it is certainly not an anti-Semitic term and in common usage is used to unite Jews and Christians rather than to divide them.
Try not to let the Beck craziness get your Jew-Fu all twisted up.

Where did you get the idea I was calling it an anti-semitic term, exactly?

It’s modern usage, as I’ve made very clear, includes being used by culture war types to stake a false claim to a Jewish tradition that they have neither respected or included. It is used by some very conservative Jews whose politics lie deep on that side, but, as I said, I agree with SFZ about it in general.

It definitely did originate as a conscious attempt at inclusiveness and helping Jews be seen as good Americans, but that was a long time ago. It is not used that way anymore.

166 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:30:22am

re: #160 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hey, we got to have a full roster right? Injuries and substitutes. I’m just making sure I can field a full team all season.

Freedom Works! Mine.

167 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:30:30am

re: #158 ProLifeLiberal

The person who was stabbed is still proud to be a New Yorker

I’m sure it wasn’t the first time he was stabbed - it IS New York, afterall.

168 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:30:32am

All these picks and yet, little Andy Breitbart is still sittin’ there, lookin’ so alone.

169 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:30:48am

re: #152 HoosierHoops

I’m taking Mel Gibson, 3 bottles of wine and all his Voice Mails recorded by his Ex-Wives at a speed trap on Highway one.

Crap. Hoops wins.

170 ShaunP  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:30:58am

re: #158 ProLifeLiberal

I’m sorry or the off topic, but I just found this.

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

The person who was stabbed is still proud to be a New Yorker.

How dare you interrupt our draft!?!?!

////

(That’s awesome, BTW…)

171 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:31:09am

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Fantasy wingnuts, kind of like fantasy football. You get points for stupid shit they do.

172 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:31:21am

re: #165 Obdicut

Where did you get the idea I was calling it an anti-semitic term, exactly?

It’s modern usage, as I’ve made very clear, includes being used by culture war types to stake a false claim to a Jewish tradition that they have neither respected or included. It is used by some very conservative Jews whose politics lie deep on that side, but, as I said, I agree with SFZ about it in general.

It definitely did originate as a conscious attempt at inclusiveness and helping Jews be seen as good Americans, but that was a long time ago. It is not used that way anymore.

I think Frank called it that up thread… in a comment to me.

173 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:31:37am

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Win what… I don’t even know what’s going on… I missed what started this “team picking” stuff… I was busy making paper airplanes out of a Koran. :)

What models?

174 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:31:41am

I take Bill O’Reilly.

175 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:32:06am

re: #171 samuraishake

Fantasy wingnuts, kind of like fantasy football. You get points for stupid shit they do.

Ok… I don’t know anything about fantasy football, so I wouldn’t know how to relate.

176 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:32:58am

re: #131 samuraishake

Paladino for me. He’s unhinged.

177 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:33:20am

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

Ok… I don’t know anything about fantasy football, so I wouldn’t know how to relate.

The nice thing about Fantasy Wingnuts is you can just make shit up.

178 sagehen  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:33:23am

re: #146 Spare O’Lake

Your hostility to the term is strange, since it is certainly not an anti-Semitic term and in common usage is used to unite Jews and Christians rather than to divide them.
Try not to let the Beck craziness get your Jew-Fu all twisted up.


It’s not deliberately anti-Semitic — Christians who use it *think* they’re being inclusive and respectful. Just like Tommy Thompson thought he was being complimentary when he told a political group that he really admired how the Jews are so good at making money.

179 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:33:27am

I’ll go with Robert Spencer to block, Peter.

180 ShaunP  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:33:50am

Has anyone taken Malkin yet?

181 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:33:57am

And Erik, son of Erik

182 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:34:05am

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

I think Frank called it that up thread… in a comment to me.

No, he didn’t call the use of the term anti-semitic. He mocked the appendage of ‘Judeo’ to ‘Christian’. See?


Why is it when the subject of this being a “Christian nation” is questioned, someone always feels the need to uselessly reference Judaism by appending Judea or Judeo to Christian? Yes, let’s entertain this idiocy, as if any attack on 18th Century Christian morality is thus inherently anti-semetic.

That in no way, shape, or form, says the term is anti-semitic. It notes that attacking 18th century Christian morality is not anti-semitic. Which is true.

183 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:34:06am

re: #180 ShaunP

She’s all yours

184 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:34:08am

Hannity.

I need something for comic effect.

185 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:34:17am

I’ll take Barton for the defensive wallbuilder.

186 ShaunP  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:34:20am

re: #178 sagehen

It’s not deliberately anti-Semitic — Christians who use it *think* they’re being inclusive and respectful. Just like Tommy Thompson thought he was being complimentary when he told a political group that he really admired how the Jews are so good at making money.

*head-slap*

187 avanti  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:34:22am

BTW, new thread on a site populated by banned lizards is discussing brain damage from head banging during Muslim prayer and “inbreeding” I wish I was kidding.

188 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:35:29am

Fred Phelps.

I gagged on that one.

189 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:35:40am

re: #173 b_sharp

What models?

I was using an original Latin translation, the Lex Mahumet Pseudoprophete for the wings, the landing gear works better if you make it out of a old testament, much more durable, but the only paper I have light enough and that can hold air for the wings is a new testament, but it’s a bit flimsy and keeps falling apart.

190 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:35:42am

Paladino’s bestiality emails must give plenty of points.

191 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:35:49am

re: #180 ShaunP

I’m taking Michael Steele. He’s not as extreme, but the amount of stupidity will rack up points fast.

192 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:36:31am

So I’ve got my starting like of the View for random bullshit, hype and totally missing the point, plus they bring in guests for topical discussions, so I feel I’ve got a good solid lead in assists with them.

Now I’ve got Bill O’reilly, Erik, son of Erik, and Doug Urbanski as strong power forwards to get some sustained hitting power in there.

I think that should cover it for now.

193 ShaunP  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:36:40am

re: #191 samuraishake

I’m taking Michael Steele. He’s not as extreme, but the amount of stupidity will rack up points fast.

“Steele is in the hizzy!”

194 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:36:41am

Michelle Bachman… because that kind of crazy is overdrive…

195 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:36:49am

re: #179 lawhawk

I’ll go with Robert Spencer to block, Peter.

I’ve got a Dan Riehl.

196 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:37:03am

I’ll take Biden… he’s bound to fuck up something he says.

197 ShaunP  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:37:08am

Oh Orly, how could I have forgotten you…

198 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:37:10am

Newt.

My roster so far: Palin, Tancredo, FreedomWorks & Newt.

199 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:37:30am

re: #189 Walter L. Newton

I was using an original Latin translation, the Lex Mahumet Pseudoprophete for the wings, the landing gear works better if you make it out of a old testament, much more durable, but the only paper I have light enough and that can hold air for the wings is a new testament, but it’s a bit flimsy and keeps falling apart.

Ever thought of taking something from the Bible, say Revelations, for the rudder?

200 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:38:01am

re: #199 b_sharp

Ever thought of taking something from the Bible, say Revelations, for the rudder?

It would probably burn up in the lake of fire.

201 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:38:17am

re: #198 Stanley Sea

I’ve got Chuck Norris, Dennis Miller, Michael Steele.

4th round is John Voight. He’s gonna need to spend extra time in training camp, but he’ll up to par by November.

202 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:38:27am

re: #192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’ll take Ron Paul AND Ron Paul, plus Patterson and Cynthia McKinney. I think that’ll be well-rounded.

203 ShaunP  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:38:34am

re: #198 Stanley Sea

Newt.

My roster so far: Palin, Tancredo, FreedomWorks & Newt.

I have Rush, Malkin and Taitz…

This game is starting to put a bad taste in my mouth. I’m not sure I want to be rooting for these people to say crazy shit…

204 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:38:43am

re: #202 Obdicut

Er, Ron And Rand, that is.

205 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:38:45am

re: #192 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So I’ve got my starting like of the View for random bullshit, hype and totally missing the point, plus they bring in guests for topical discussions, so I feel I’ve got a good solid lead in assists with them.

Now I’ve got Bill O’reilly, Erik, son of Erik, and Doug Urbanski as strong power forwards to get some sustained hitting power in there.

I think that should cover it for now.

I think you’re cheating.

Way to go. Now you’re in the spirits.

206 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:38:50am

re: #165 Obdicut

Where did you get the idea I was calling it an anti-semitic term, exactly?

It’s modern usage, as I’ve made very clear, includes being used by culture war types to stake a false claim to a Jewish tradition that they have neither respected or included. It is used by some very conservative Jews whose politics lie deep on that side, but, as I said, I agree with SFZ about it in general.

It definitely did originate as a conscious attempt at inclusiveness and helping Jews be seen as good Americans, but that was a long time ago. It is not used that way anymore.

Whatever, dude. Your take is not in keeping with my sense of Jewish identity. Most Jews I know are happy when Christians (or Muslims) choose to accentuate the positive aspects of our admittedly troubled historical relationship. When a Muslim says that Jews and Muslims are cousins, I take that as a positive thing. When people use the term Judeo-Christian to describe their value system, I choose to take that as a positive as well.

207 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:39:33am

So, I’ve got Rush, Pat Robertson, Robert Spencer and Michelle Bachmann… I think I’ve got all the angles covered now Ted Nugent.

208 Nimed  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:39:47am

re: #165 Obdicut

Personally, if we have to thank any religion for our relatively comfortable living, I’d go with Ancient Greek Politheism. And only because it gave the Greeks enough breathing room.
/

209 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:40:19am

re: #200 Walter L. Newton

It would probably burn up in the lake of fire.

You have a lake of fire? My, aren’t you spoiled.

210 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:40:27am

re: #203 ShaunP

This game is starting to put a bad taste in my mouth. I’m not sure I want to be rooting for these people to say crazy shit…

They’ll do it anyway, we might as well turn it into a game. Since a drinking game would be waaaaay to dangerous with the amount of stuff they say, we’ll do this instead.

211 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:40:30am

re: #206 Spare O’Lake

Most Jews I know are happy when Christians (or Muslims) choose to accentuate the positive aspects of our admittedly troubled historical relationship.

Me too. And when that’s how Judeo-Christian was used, it made me happy. It’s not anymore. That’s my point.

When people use the term Judeo-Christian to describe their value system, I choose to take that as a positive as well.

Doesn’t that depend on what they mean by it?

212 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:40:55am

re: #202 Obdicut

I’ll take Ron Paul AND Ron Paul, plus Patterson and Cynthia McKinney. I think that’ll be well-rounded.

I always try to take a solid base and then build off of that. Too many stars and one or two serious injuries and you’re really hosed.

213 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:41:08am

re: #207 lawhawk

Damn I forgot about Nuge!

214 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:41:35am

re: #213 samuraishake

Damn I forgot about Nuge!

Wango tango!

215 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:42:11am

I even have a team fight song already picked out;

216 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:42:43am

re: #214 Gus 802

I’m drafting Snooki. I’ll have to quarantine her from the rest of my team to keep out the VDs…

217 RadicalModerate  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:42:55am

Damn. I’m a bit late to the Fantasy Wingers draft.

Can I get Michael Savage, G. Gordon Liddy and James Dobson to catch up?

218 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:43:11am

re: #211 Obdicut

I’d also like the note that the ‘troubles’ in the Christian/Jewish relationship, historically, have been Christians killing, dispossessing, and oppressing Jews.

It’s not so much a troubled relationship; I don’t think that’s the best way of describing it.

219 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:44:17am

Phelps, Hannity, Glenn, Savage, Buchanan, Geller. I don’t think I have enough diversity.

220 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:44:27am

re: #217 RadicalModerate

No worries. We could do the format where each player can go to multiple teams.

221 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:45:49am

re: #219 b_sharp

Phelps, Hannity, Glenn, Savage, Buchanan, Geller. I don’t think I have enough diversity.

I have a spare Cynthia McKinney.

222 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:45:56am

I’m working on my stadium now. Just purchased all the tea party signs to hang below the jumbotron.

223 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:45:59am

I’m out to get ready for work… start talking sports, fish or fishing and I’d rather go get a colonoscopy or something.

BB… maybe… before I leave.

224 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:46:24am

Carl Paladino
Ken “high heels” Buck.
Jim Hoft
Joseph Farah

Four for me.

225 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:46:40am

re: #217 RadicalModerate

Damn. I’m a bit late to the Fantasy Wingers draft.

Can I get Michael Savage, G. Gordon Liddy and James Dobson to catch up?

Savage is already taken.
How about Donahue?

226 RadicalModerate  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:46:54am

re: #219 b_sharp

Phelps, Hannity, Glenn, Savage, Buchanan, Geller. I don’t think I have enough diversity.

Whoops. Didn’t notice that you already had Savage.
I’ll take Andrew Brietbart instead, then.

227 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:47:56am

re: #221 Gus 802

I have a spare Cynthia McKinney.

Will you take Coulter on trade?

228 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:48:18am

re: #227 b_sharp

Will you take Coulter on trade?

Do you have a Naomi Wolf?

229 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:48:43am

re: #222 Stanley Sea

I’m working on my stadium now. Just purchased all the tea party signs to hang below the jumbotron.

But let’s not hang up “K”s like they do for strikeouts in baseball. They’d turn that ugly fast…

230 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:48:52am

re: #219 b_sharp

Phelps, Hannity, Glenn, Savage, Buchanan, Geller. I don’t think I have enough diversity.

A plane can’t fly with just a right wing..You need a left wing too..
Rev.Wright..God Damn America! Yee ha!
Dr. Bill Ayers.. I need not say a word

231 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:49:02am

re: #227 b_sharp

I already snapped up Cynthia, but I have doubts about her actually showing up to training camp.

232 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:49:26am

re: #228 Gus 802

Do you have a Naomi Wolf?

Nope, traded her for a whistle-dog.

233 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:50:12am

re: #211 Obdicut

Doesn’t that depend on what they mean by it?

Of course, but as I suggested earlier, you should not trash a term which is still on balance used positively, merely because the current political climate causes you to impugn the motives of your political opponents. IOW don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.

234 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:50:14am

re: #231 Obdicut

I already snapped up Cynthia, but I have doubts about her actually showing up to training camp.

I told her it was a FEMA camp.

235 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:50:34am

re: #232 b_sharp

I’ll take GW Bush if we can apply points retroactively to his speeches as president.

236 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:51:00am

Ok, my final pick.
Pastor James David Manning.
His church will be our stadium.

237 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:51:43am

re: #218 Obdicut

I’d also like the note that the ‘troubles’ in the Christian/Jewish relationship, historically, have been Christians killing, dispossessing, and oppressing Jews.

It’s not so much a troubled relationship; I don’t think that’s the best way of describing it.

I’m feeling generous today.

238 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:52:20am

Jonah Goldberg, Naomi Wolf, Alex Jones, Donald Douglas, Dan Riehl, AlfonZo Rachel, Brian Camenker, Randi Rhodes, Bryan Fischer, Randall Terry…

239 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:52:21am

re: #236 Winny Spencer

I’ll take Marco Rubio - I’m betting he’ll ramp it up the next 2 months

240 RadicalModerate  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:52:21am

re: #168 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

All these picks and yet, little Andy Breitbart is still sittin’ there, lookin’ so alone.

Dammit. And I missed seeing him already being picked too.
How about Mike Gallagher?

241 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:52:58am

re: #235 samuraishake

I’ll take GW Bush if we can apply points retroactively to his speeches as president.

Not really fair to use past quotes.

242 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:53:31am

re: #230 HoosierHoops

Dr. Bill Ayers.. I need not say a word

Admirable intentions, but I don’t think he’ll score you many points. He’s been silent for quite awhile…

243 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:53:38am

Charlie Sheen

244 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:53:58am

re: #219 b_sharp

Phelps, Hannity, Glenn, Savage, Buchanan, Geller. I don’t think I have enough diversity.

Alan Keyes.

245 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:54:23am

re: #241 b_sharp

Not really fair to use past quotes.

Fair enough, I’ll turn to a substitution.

246 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:54:50am

re: #244 Alouette

Alan Keyes.

You’re just handing him to me? Wow, you are so generous.

247 RadicalModerate  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:55:24am

If someone is grabbing GWB, I’m getting Dick Cheney.

248 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:55:48am

re: #246 b_sharp

I’m losing track. Has anyone picked up Robert Stacy McCain? I call dibs if he’s available.

249 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:55:49am

re: #243 Gus 802

Charlie Sheen

We know that Charlie is the half man of 2 1/2 men.

250 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:56:23am

re: #249 HoosierHoops

We know that Charlie is the half man of 2 1/2 men.

How about another old favorite. Rosie O’Donnell!

251 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:56:44am

re: #248 samuraishake

I’m losing track. Has anyone picked up Robert Stacy McCain? I call dibs if he’s available.

I think he’s all yours.

252 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:57:21am

re: #233 Spare O’Lake

Of course, but as I suggested earlier, you should not trash a term which is still on balance used positively, merely because the current political climate causes you to impugn the motives of your political opponents. IOW don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.

It’s not in balance used positively, though. It’s not used to include. It’s used to appropriate.

253 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:57:25am

I have to ask, do signs count as much as quotes?

254 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:57:44am

re: #253 b_sharp

Sure!

255 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:57:45am

I call dibs on Conan O’Brien!

//

256 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:58:38am

Jon Stewart.

257 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:59:10am

OK, one last addition to my roster,

Facebook copy/paste status updates.

258 samuraishake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:59:59am

Well, I’m off for now. Let me know how the draft finishes out.

259 RadicalModerate  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:00:59pm

These teams are going to look a lot like the USC Trojans teams of old.

You can pretty well guarantee that the offensive playbook is only going to have plays that run to the far right side.

260 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:02:25pm

Sean Penn!
/Passed out with Hugo in the Castro Suite after a Citco Conference

261 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:03:48pm

re: #247 RadicalModerate

If someone is grabbing GWB, I’m getting Dick Cheney.

Bad move - Cheney needs Bush to run interference for him.

262 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:05:23pm

George Galloway

263 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:06:51pm

I’ll form up the European team.

George Galloway
Geert Wilders
Nick Griffin
Filip Dewinter
Markus Beisicht

264 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:07:22pm

I’m gonna go with Charlie Rangel and Charles Barron. They’re good for a couple of doozies a month (tax free of course).

265 RadicalModerate  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:08:06pm

re: #261 Spare O’Lake

Bad move - Cheney needs Bush to run interference for him.

He hasn’t needed it for the past year and a half, and he’s been very vocal for most of that time.

266 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:08:39pm

re: #263 Gus 802

I’ll form up the European team.

George Galloway
Geert Wilders
Nick Griffin
Filip Dewinter
Markus Beisicht

I thought we sent Jimmy Carter over to North Korea as a swap today..
He’s coming back? Crap!

267 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:10:15pm

Norman Finkelstein

268 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:11:30pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

I thought we sent Jimmy Carter over to North Korea as a swap today..
He’s coming back? Crap!

What can I say, they wouldn’t give us Kim.

269 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:12:10pm

re: #265 RadicalModerate

He hasn’t needed it for the past year and a half, and he’s been very vocal for most of that time.

OK, go for it.
BTW you do realize he’s on currently on the DL and will probably be day-to-day for the duration?

270 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:14:51pm

OK, where is samuraishake? We need to know how the scoring goes.

Glenn and Geller should rack up a lot of points shortly.

271 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:14:55pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

I thought we sent Jimmy Carter over to North Korea as a swap today..
He’s coming back? Crap!

You all should have refused to take him back until they agreed to scrap their nukes. After a couple of weeks of having him over there, Kim would’ve folded like a four-flush.

272 RadicalModerate  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:15:05pm

re: #269 Spare O’Lake

OK, go for it.
BTW you do realize he’s on currently on the DL and will probably be day-to-day for the duration?

True, but he should be healthy enough by mid-season.

In the meantime, I’m gonna grab Don “Beaker” Surber, since he hasn’t been picked yet.

273 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:15:50pm

re: #268 b_sharp

What can I say, they wouldn’t give us Kim.

You mean Lil Kim wouldn’t go for the unlimited fine Brandy, Free Porn, fine food and and a pass to the Playboy Mansion?
Man Jimmy Carter’s Stock keeps falling….Heck I’ll bet we through in a few goons and a dictator to be named later..And still no deal…
What can America Trade for Jimmy Carter?

274 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:19:03pm

Don’t forget we’ll need a cheerleading squad: Jenny McCarthy, Janeane Garofalo, Victoria Jackson, Megyn Kelly…

275 Winny Spencer  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:20:02pm

With Manning and Farah, I’d say I have one of the strongest nirther-contingents.

276 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:21:58pm

re: #270 b_sharp

OK, where is samuraishake? We need to know how the scoring goes.

Glenn and Geller should rack up a lot of points shortly.

Sister Sarah and Freedom Works too.

All those free buses to DC tomorrow.

277 Gus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:22:05pm

Monday night announcer will of course be Dennis Miller.

//

278 sagehen  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:27:11pm

re: #235 samuraishake

I’ll take GW Bush if we can apply points retroactively to his speeches as president.

Retroactive performace does not qualify.

On the other hand he does have a book coming out this fall; by the time he starts making promotional appearances, you might need someone to pull off the bench if one of your starters is injured.

279 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:29:46pm

re: #264 lawhawk

And while Orly Taitz was taken, I’m gonna run with Alex Jones to corner the crazy contingent.

re: #277 Gus 802
I say we set this whole thing in claymation and with Mills Lane as ref. Good fight. Good night! /celebrity deathmatch baby!

280 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 12:31:21pm

re: #279 lawhawk

And while Orly Taitz was taken, I’m gonna run with Alex Jones to corner the crazy contingent.

re: #277 Gus 802
I say we set this whole thing in claymation and with Mills Lane as ref. Good fight. Good night! /celebrity deathmatch baby!

Throw them all into the octagon at the same time.

281 RogueOne  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:41:08am

I just read the article and I’m going to assume the author didn’t choose the headline since there is nothing in the piece that details how Beck is “rewriting civil rights history”. Does anyone have any specifics that prove the assertion or are we just going to go on a hunch and accept it as fact?


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