NH GOP Senate Candidate Gets Death Threats for Pro-Choice Stance

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New Hampshire’s GOP candidate for US Senate, Bill Binnie, has been a very bad Republican, and you know what that means: death threats.

He’s been under attack by the tribalist far right that now dominates his party, over his support for legal abortion rights. There’s a disturbing amount of tacit and at times explicit support for violence and thuggery among the anti-abortion crowd, and now it’s even being directed against Republicans who don’t toe the religious right’s line.

Binnie along with his 80-year-old father have both received death threats as the campaign has taken an ugly turn. During a visit to The Conway Daily Sun on Friday, Binnie confirmed there have been threats on his life.

“Yes, including my 80-year-old father,” he said. “I’m a fiscally conservative pro-choice Republican. People come up to our doorway all the time.”

Binnie believes it’s his pro-choice stance that has led to death threats.

“I believe so,” he said. “Why am I being attacked by these outside groups? Do you think their motivation is anything other than that? Look who is attacking me, it’s a real issue. I think (Thursday) we got over 1,000 pieces of mail to my home, 1,000. We don’t answer our phone anymore.

“I think that there is a fight in my party for individual rights and what it means to be a Republican, I really do,” Binnie continued. “I believe that the individual has the final say, not the government, in terms of how we live our lives. I believe in fiscal common sense. I believe you’re allowed to have control of your own body. I understand the issues with this, often it can get religious, but it’s an individual choice. I think that Rowe versus Wade did judge it.

“Believe it or not I’m for conservative judges,” he continued. “People say that’s a paradox. No. I believe as long as a judge looks at the Constitution in a narrow way and defines it on individual liberties, I think that’s completely consistent. My view of the Republican Party is the party of ideas. It morphed into parts that I don’t recognize.”

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241 comments
1 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:45:28pm

Goldwater warned -

[Link: www.liberalslikechrist.org...]

2 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:47:32pm

This guy sounds like someone I would vote for. Heck, he had me at fiscally conservative.

3 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:47:55pm

I have family in NH... its a hard place to understand politically. My sisters neighbor stands guard over his com-poster with an AR-15... weird.

4 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:49:29pm

re: #3 brookly red

I have family in New Hampshire. Nobody stands guard over anything with a weapon. Politics there don't seem any different than anywhere else.

The anti-abortion extremism certainly isn't just a New Hampshire thing.

5 TedStriker  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:49:39pm

Uggghhhh, just fucking uggghhh...

6 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:50:32pm

Now that the wingnuts have all but taken over the GOP, it's time to move on to the inquisition portion of the program, where the heretics that have been dubbed "RINOs" must choose to either convert and support the far-Right's social conservative beliefs or be expelled from the party for their heresy.

7 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:51:13pm

This debate is so old.

Image: narallogo.gif

8 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:52:39pm

Sigh.

1. Dede Scozzafava
2. Charlie Christ
3. Arlen Specter
4. Bill Binnie (soon!)

9 TedStriker  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:54:31pm

re: #6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Now that the wingnuts have all but taken over the GOP, it's time to move on to the inquisition portion of the program, where the heretics that have been dubbed "RINOs" must choose to either convert and support the far-Right's social conservative beliefs or be expelled from the party for their heresy.

If it's come to that point, the GOP can go fuck themselves...I'll be a man without a party, voting my conscience, and that's fine with me.

10 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:55:15pm

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

This guy sounds like someone I would vote for. Heck, he had me at fiscally conservative.

Pro-choice and fiscally conservative (like so many Americans!)

Hard to find a Republican with those credentials these days.

11 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:55:45pm

re: #3 brookly red
Well, you know....
It's New Hampshire.//

12 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:56:21pm

re: #9 talon_262

If it's come to that point, the GOP can go fuck themselves...I'll be a man without a party, voting my conscience, and that's fine with me.

Join the club. Can we start our own party, maybe call it the Rational Party?

Honestly, I'm pretty much voting every incumbent out of office. I'm going to help Ms. Pelosi drain the entire swamp.

13 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:56:51pm

re: #10 Max D. Reinhardt

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Pro-choice and fiscally conservative (like so many Americans!)

Hard to find a Republican with those credentials these days.

well that is the f'n problem with both parties...we have been told we need to pick one or the other.

14 sagehen  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:56:58pm

re: #8 Max D. Reinhardt

Sigh.

1. Dede Scozzafava
2. Charlie Christ
3. Arlen Specter
4. Bill Binnie (soon!)


Bruce Bartlett
Jim Jeffords
Linc Chaffee
Susan Eisenhower
Christopher Buckley

15 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:57:17pm

re: #1 karmic_inquisitor

Didn't Goldwater also take the Rand Paul view of Civil Rights? Didn't he believe in businesses' right to discriminate and even voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because of that?

16 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:57:32pm

re: #12 Jetpilot1101

Join the club. Can we start our own party, maybe call it the Rational Party?

Honestly, I'm pretty much voting every incumbent out of office. I'm going to help Ms. Pelosi drain the entire swamp.

Amen.

17 sagehen  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:58:06pm

re: #15 Max D. Reinhardt

Didn't Goldwater also take the Rand Paul view of Civil Rights? Didn't he believe in businesses' right to discriminate and even voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because of that?

Which was marginally more acceptable in 1964 than in 2010.

18 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:58:22pm

re: #9 talon_262

If it's come to that point, the GOP can go fuck themselves...I'll be a man without a party, voting my conscience, and that's fine with me.

A-frakin'-men. If the GOP's only going to continue the slide into far-Right lunacy, then there's no way I can, in good conscience, ever support them again. My greatest hope, at this point, is that every voter like me that supported the GOP in elections past has a similar crisis of faith between now and 2012.

19 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:58:48pm

The far right has been working hard at unseating Bill Binnie for quite a while. This is only the latest tactic.

20 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:59:07pm

re: #10 Max D. Reinhardt

re: #2 Jetpilot1101

Pro-choice and fiscally conservative (like so many Americans!)

Hard to find a Republican with those credentials these days.

I feel that most are pro-choice (except for the fundies) and are pandering for the far right vote. Unicorn thinking I guess, but everyone I know, right or left politically are pro-choice.

It's a deal breaker for me as a voter, no doubt about it.

21 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:59:29pm

re: #17 sagehen

Which was marginally more acceptable in 1964 than in 2010.

Still, Goldwater put his disgusting view of "property rights" over the civil rights of black Americans. As far as I know, he did not regret that vote.

22 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:59:29pm

re: #14 sagehen

Bruce Bartlett
Jim Jeffords
Linc Chaffee
Susan Eisenhower
Christopher Buckley

Me.

And I'll be their worst enemy if I can help it.

23 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:00:16pm

it was only a matter of time.

24 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:00:27pm

re: #15 Max D. Reinhardt

Didn't Goldwater also take the Rand Paul view of Civil Rights? Didn't he believe in businesses' right to discriminate and even voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because of that?

I am not trying to beatify him.

Simply pointing out that conservatism once saw the religious right as a real and present threat.

25 blueraven  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:01:09pm

re: #14 sagehen

Bruce Bartlett
Jim Jeffords
Linc Chaffee
Susan Eisenhower
Christopher Buckley

Senator Bob Bennett (Utah)
David Frum

26 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:01:31pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

I feel that most are pro-choice (except for the fundies) and are pandering for the far right vote. Unicorn thinking I guess, but everyone I know, right or left politically are pro-choice.

It's a deal breaker for me as a voter, no doubt about it.

Stanley are you sitting down... I agree with you except for the absolute deal breaker part.

27 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:01:33pm

re: #18 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

My greatest hope, at this point, is that every voter like me that supported the GOP in elections past has a similar crisis of faith between now and 2012.

Good luck with that. This kind of douchebaggery has been working its way through the GOP for decades now. It's totally ingrained in the party. I don't see it changing anytime soon, if ever.

28 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:03:14pm

Oh God. Mini-Pam Geller, Brigitte Gabriel is on Hannity.

The shrieking party begins.

29 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:03:53pm

So now some people think its acceptable to force others to believe as you do under penalty of death? These Anti-Patriots resemble the Taliban more than the nation they claim to support.

30 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:04:44pm

"Binnie along with his 80-year-old father have both received death threats as the campaign has taken an ugly turn."

Keep it classy "Pro-Life" people....

31 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:05:04pm

"The party of ideas." What a crock. I haven't seen a new idea from the GOP in my entire life, unless it were some new way to sniff around in people's underpants.

32 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:05:06pm

God. Her voice. It's horrible!

33 researchok  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:05:23pm

re: #25 blueraven

Senator Bob Bennett (Utah)
David Frum

why frum?

34 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:05:52pm

re: #28 Max D. Reinhardt

Oh God. Mini-Pam Geller, Brigitte Gabriel is on Hannity.

The shrieking party begins.

Watching the Vikings-Saints game instead. Drew Brees vs. Brett Farve is better than any talk show. Ditch the talk shows, it time for some Football!

35 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:06:40pm

Well I know this is not going to sit well with some people BUT the whole pretense of the article is that he beleives it is his pro-choice stance that has caused the death threat(s)... I can't imagen that someone would make a death threat and not specifically mention the reason why...

36 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:07:28pm

re: #35 brookly red

He's a pro-choice Republican and you're wondering why he's getting death threats? Seriously?

37 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:07:41pm

Fox News rule number 1: whoever talks louder wins.

38 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:08:06pm

re: #14 sagehen

Bruce Bartlett
Jim Jeffords
Linc Chaffee
Susan Eisenhower
Christopher Buckley

I object to including Chaffee. Lincoln Chaffee was only a Republican because his father was one. He's a liberal and even I considered him to be a RINO. He would have left the GOP no matter what.

39 samuraishake  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:08:21pm

I'm just waiting for someone to scream "liberal plant!"

40 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:08:53pm

re: #26 brookly red

Stanley are you sitting down... I agree with you except for the absolute deal breaker part.

I would guess that the deal breaker part is due to the fact that you are not a chick.

:)

41 researchok  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:08:59pm

30 secs of Hannity- my limit.

42 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:09:28pm

re: #36 Lidane

He's a pro-choice Republican and you're wondering why he's getting death threats? Seriously?

I am not wondering, I get death threats for looking at people funny...

the point is that the reason for the threats has not been proven to a jury standard.

43 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:09:45pm

re: #33 researchok

why frum?

[Link: www.frumforum.com...]

44 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:10:02pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

I would guess that the deal breaker part is due to the fact that you are not a chick.

:)

viva la differance

45 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:10:03pm

re: #22 Charles

Me.

And I'll be their worst enemy if I can help it.

You need to make up a long speech with words that almost all start with C

"This Clearly Calm Coinage Concerned Conservative Can't Conceive Cosigning Certain Crazy.....

That's all I've got for now...

46 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:10:53pm

re: #41 researchok

30 secs of Hannity- my limit.

I really wish thy'd kept him paired with Alan Colmes. I don't lightly praise a liberal like Colmes, but he did keep Sean Hannity grounded and forced Hannity to defend his positions. The show went rapidly downhill after Colmes left.

47 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:10:56pm

Ah. Rachel Maddow. That's much better.

At the commercial break, I'll get up to wipe the dripping brain matter off my shirt.

48 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:11:01pm

re: #42 brookly red

the point is that the reason for the threats has not been proven to a jury standard.

So this guy has to get shot first before we can wonder why he's being threatened?

49 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:11:34pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

I really wish thy'd kept him paired with Alan Colmes. I don't lightly praise a liberal like Colmes, but he did keep Sean Hannity grounded and forced Hannity to defend his positions. The show went rapidly downhill after Colmes left.

As Jon Stewart said, clearly Colmes was the 30 pound sandbag keeping Hannity grounded, the Edith to his Archie if you will....

50 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:12:48pm

re: #49 jamesfirecat

As Jon Stewart said, clearly Colmes was the 30 pound sandbag keeping Hannity grounded, the Edith to his Archie if you will...

I'm surprised that Fox didn't find another fake liberal for Hannity to kick around.

No one wanted the job, probably.

51 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:12:57pm

re: #41 researchok

30 secs of Hannity- my limit.

30 seconds of any cable 24 hour news channel is my limit. They all suck, I learn nothing that I can't find out for myself, and most of the time the shows disolve into a shoutfest. Beck cries, Hannity and O'Reilly yell, Schultz shouts, Jane Velez Mitchel screams and Nancy Grace makes demons cry in hell. I quit watching cable news a long time ago and instead gather my information from a wide variety of sources, most of which can't yell at me.

52 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:12:59pm

Brilliant run by Reggie Bush for a 19-yard gain. The Vikings defense is not holding up well.

53 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:13:06pm

re: #48 Lidane

So this guy has to get shot first before we can wonder why he's being threatened?

you can wonder, you can assume but you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt...

can you tell I just did jury duty?

54 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:13:19pm

re: #49 jamesfirecat

As Jon Stewart said, clearly Colmes was the 30 pound sandbag keeping Hannity grounded, the Edith to his Archie if you will...

Colmes was the token "liberal" put next to Hannity to give the impression of fairness. He was always Hannity's bitch and nothing else.

55 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:13:28pm

re: #44 brookly red

viva la differance

And to the point that no man, politician etc. will tell this woman what she's got to do. blahblahblah

56 webevintage  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:13:28pm

re: #41 researchok

30 secs of Hannity- my limit.

Fox calls for repeal of the 20th century

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

57 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:13:54pm

re: #50 Max D. Reinhardt

I'm surprised that Fox didn't find another fake liberal for Hannity to kick around.

No one wanted the job, probably.

Colmes isn't a 'fake liberal'. He's quite liberal, but he's not a America-hater.

58 researchok  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:14:05pm

re: #56 webevintage

Fox calls for repeal of the 20th century

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Saw that.

59 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:14:50pm

re: #53 brookly red

You DO know there are different standards of evidence, right? It's not all "beyond a reasonable doubt". That's only in criminal cases.

60 webevintage  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:15:24pm

re: #51 Jetpilot1101

Nancy Grace makes demons cry in hell.

Upding just for this bit...

61 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:15:50pm

re: #8 Max D. Reinhardt
Let's not make Charlie any bigger than he is.//
(There's no h in Crist).//

62 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:16:59pm

re: #48 Lidane
Not in Tennessee.

63 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:17:22pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

Colmes isn't a 'fake liberal'. He's quite liberal, but he's not a America-hater.

I'm not convinced that Colmes' liberalism is genuine. He's probably in it for the money. Just like Hannity is a conservative for the money.

Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh, in my opinion, are true liberals who are truly patriotic.

64 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:17:57pm

re: #59 Lidane

You DO know there are different standards of evidence, right? It's not all "beyond a reasonable doubt". That's only in criminal cases.

yes I do and so far all we have is that someone alleged death threat(s) and speculation as to why the alleged threat(s) occurred. Wheres the beef?

65 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:17:59pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

I object to including Chaffee. Lincoln Chaffee was only a Republican because his father was one. He's a liberal and even I considered him to be a RINO. He would have left the GOP no matter what.

Being a Liberal should be no barrier to being a Republican - individual rights should be the cornerstone of Republican thinking.

I do agree that he was too economically left wing for the GOP - but social liberalism shouldn't be a barrier as long as one signs on to small Govt. Thats how you make it a big tent national party again.

66 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:18:28pm

re: #63 Max D. Reinhardt

I'm not convinced that Colmes' liberalism is genuine. He's probably in it for the money. Just like Hannity is a conservative for the money.

Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh, in my opinion, are true liberals who are truly patriotic.

Evan Bayh?

Joe Liberman?

The guys who had to be dragged kicking and screaming into being willing to cast a vote to break a filibuster on Healthcare?

I'm sorry but in my mind Al Franken is the gold standard of Liberalism...

67 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:18:46pm

re: #53 brookly red
How'd it go?
I sign in at eight-thirty on the 20th. They've done away with the exemption that I used a few years ago, so I hope I get a short one.

68 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:19:05pm

re: #62 tradewind

Please look up the difference between preponderance of the evidence and beyond a reasonable doubt. Then try again.

69 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:19:32pm

re: #66 jamesfirecat

I'm sorry but in my mind Al Franken is the gold standard of Liberalism...

I agree. And that's why he'll never get a vote out of me.

70 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:19:45pm

re: #63 Max D. Reinhardt
I don't know if Colmes is a liberal, but he's definitely a lefty. It's just that he's a wimpy one.
The boy can't help it.//

71 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:20:21pm

re: #64 brookly red

He's a pro-choice Republican, and you're still questioning why he's being threatened.

Is it really that hard for you to admit that there are batshit crazy people on the far right that are anti-abortion enough to threaten Republicans who run against their position?

72 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:20:43pm

re: #63 Max D. Reinhardt

I'm not convinced that Colmes' liberalism is genuine. He's probably in it for the money. Just like Hannity is a conservative for the money.

Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh, in my opinion, are true liberals who are truly patriotic.

Oh, Colmes is not a "real liberal"./

73 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:21:09pm

re: #65 wozzablog

Being a Liberal should be no barrier to being a Republican - individual rights should be the cornerstone of Republican thinking.

I do agree that he was too economically left wing for the GOP - but social liberalism shouldn't be a barrier as long as one signs on to small Govt. Thats how you make it a big tent national party again.

I'm willing to extend some room on social issues, and I've done so here. But, like you said, that still leaves Lincoln Chaffee out on economics. He's a big government liberal, and those will never be welcome in the Republican Party.

74 cliffster  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:21:16pm

oh good lord, I'm going to freaking explode with happiness that football season is back.

75 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:21:40pm

re: #67 tradewind

re: #53 brookly red

Is the court system targeting conservatives?

76 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:22:05pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

He's a big government liberal, and those will never be welcome in the Republican Party.

That's because the party is full of big government conservatives.

77 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:22:32pm

re: #75 prairiefire

re: #53 brookly red

Is the court system targeting conservatives?

Do Democrats cause cancer?

/

78 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:22:33pm

In our society we have the privilege of suing others. Amazingly even dolts get their chance at it:

9/11 first responder files suit against Ground Zero mosque developers

A Sept. 11 first responder filed a $350 million suit against the developers of a proposed cultural center and mosque near Ground Zero, calling it a "nuisance," "a terror risk" and "an assault."

The strongly worded suit, which was brought by a former volunteer firefighter from Westchester named Vincent Forras. who helped at the Trade Center site after 9/11, with the assistance of the conservative group Freedom Watch. It charges developer Feisal Abdul Rauf and Park 51, the organization behind the mosque, "are the front persons and in charge of operations for interests tied to terrorism," and "are believers in radical Islam and its jihad against America and American interests."

They’ve strongly denied those allegations.
The suit, which seeks class action status, calls the proposed center "a monument to the jihadist’s victory over American ideals of freedom and democracy, [and] a desecration of the terrible sacrifice made by those innocents attacked."

It claims news of the plans for the site have been worsening first responders’ injuries.

Forras’ and others "symptoms and illnesses have significantly increased since defendants sought to erect an Islamic Center and Mosque on or near Ground Zero," and the "emotional, mental and physical pain resulting from defendants’ actions in planning and taking concrete steps to build the Ground Zero Mosque are intolerable."

Hmmm... maybe we should file a suit against Geller et. al. claiming their idiocy is harming us?

79 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:22:33pm

re: #74 cliffster

oh good lord, I'm going to freaking explode with happiness that football season is back.

Even without wings and beer.

It's the real deal then.

80 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:22:42pm

re: #67 tradewind

How'd it go?
I sign in at eight-thirty on the 20th. They've done away with the exemption that I used a few years ago, so I hope I get a short one.

well I made it clear that I want facts to make a decision & not allegations... the prosecution declined to seat me twice & I was dismissed.

81 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:22:54pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

I'm willing to extend some room on social issues, and I've done so here. But, like you said, that still leaves Lincoln Chaffee out on economics. He's a big government liberal, and those will never be welcome in the Republican Party.

Agreed, just the too casual use of the word "liberal" i was picking up on.

82 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:23:28pm

re: #65 wozzablog

Hi Wozza. I was reading that Mr. Blair is not meeting with the best public reception on his book tour.

83 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:23:42pm

Are Republicans guilty of apostasy going to need safe houses?

84 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:23:46pm

re: #78 freetoken

In our society we have the privilege of suing others. Amazingly even dolts get their chance at it:

9/11 first responder files suit against Ground Zero mosque developers

Hmmm... maybe we should file a suit against Geller et. al. claiming their idiocy is harming us?

Follow the money with this guy. Bet you he's financially backed by some of the familiar names.

85 cliffster  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:24:01pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

hahahaha, that's good. Sunday... I will have thee Sunday, wings&beer

86 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:24:07pm

re: #71 Lidane

He's a pro-choice Republican, and you're still questioning why he's being threatened.

Is it really that hard for you to admit that there are batshit crazy people on the far right that are anti-abortion enough to threaten Republicans who run against their position?

and is it that hard for you to admit you have not proved anything just made accusations?

87 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:24:55pm

re: #66 jamesfirecat
The term Liberal has been hijacked. It used to denote a principled position, not a knee-jerk leftist.
If Al Franken's really your idea of the ' gold standard of liberalism ', then you were right to apologize first.

88 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:25:29pm

re: #83 BigPapa

Are Republicans guilty of apostasy going to need safe houses?

Well, they'd be welcome at my house.

89 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:25:35pm

re: #82 prairiefire

Hi Wozza. I was reading that Mr. Blair is not meeting with the best public reception on his book tour.

it's soooo purdy to watch his chickens coming home to roost.

He ruined the labour party and squandered three election wins, took us into Iraq (less said the better) and was despised for having no substance or core beliefs other than the pursuit of power.

He's not my favourite person.

90 sagehen  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:26:03pm

re: #65 wozzablog

Being a Liberal should be no barrier to being a Republican - individual rights should be the cornerstone of Republican thinking.

Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower approve this message.

91 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:26:28pm

re: #87 tradewind

The term Liberal has been hijacked. It used to denote a principled position, not a knee-jerk leftist.
If Al Franken's really your idea of the ' gold standard of liberalism ', then you were right to apologize first.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.

92 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:26:35pm

Excellent pass by Farve. Picks the first down with a good pass to Shanko.

And a good follow-on run by Adrian Peterson.

93 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:26:36pm

re: #86 brookly red

So what other reason would a fiscally conservative pro-choice Republican candidate in New Hampshire and his 80 year old father get death threats from other Republicans if not for his position on abortion rights?

Take your time coming up with a reason. I'll wait.

94 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:26:42pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Well, they'd be welcome at my house.

Mine too but it's a long swim to a very Blue state.

95 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:26:46pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

I really wish thy'd kept him paired with Alan Colmes. I don't lightly praise a liberal like Colmes, but he did keep Sean Hannity grounded and forced Hannity to defend his positions. The show went rapidly downhill after Colmes left.

I haven't heard anything Colmes has done since parting from Hannity, but I used to listen to his radio show in the Clinton years* and although I didn't necessarily agree with him (if I recall, his opinions on 2nd Amendment stuff were especially ridiculous), I thought he was very funny and fun to listen to. Hannity co-opted Colmes' Radio Graffiti bit, but of course turned it into people telling each other that they're Great Americans. Colmes' version used to have some hilarious wackos that called in regularly to contribute their "one sentence only". My favorite one was a guy who always called in with something derogatory to say about Buck Owens for some reason.

*Colmes was sandwiched between G. Gordon Liddy and Tom Leykis, way back a million years ago in the 90s when, for about 15 minutes, it was possible to hear a talk radio station on which all the hosts weren't virtually clones of each other.

{edith&archie}THOOOOOSE WERE THE DAYYYYSS{/edith&archie}

96 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:27:17pm

re: #87 tradewind

The term Liberal has been hijacked. It used to denote a principled position, not a knee-jerk leftist.
If Al Franken's really your idea of the ' gold standard of liberalism ', then you were right to apologize first.

So what you're saying that Al Franken is a knee jerk leftist?

97 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:27:33pm

re: #87 tradewind

And I'm sure you know exactly what a liberal is, right?

98 Nimed  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:27:38pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

I really wish thy'd kept him paired with Alan Colmes. I don't lightly praise a liberal like Colmes, but he did keep Sean Hannity grounded and forced Hannity to defend his positions. The show went rapidly downhill after Colmes left.

Hannity and Colmes was such a great program, you'd be guaranteed to listen to both sides of the story.

99 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:28:16pm

re: #91 prairiefire

It's just another night. sigh.

The effects of the right wing media brainwash. Seriously. We hear the same ole stuff, never really thought out. LGF shows a difference, but no, not going to pay attention.

100 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:28:19pm

re: #75 prairiefire
At least here, it's electoral rolls and property tax records. They did use drivers' license lists for a while, but there was a problem.

101 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:28:26pm

Um, why is Rachel Maddow ripping Obama and Biden for praising President Bush?

102 sagehen  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:28:30pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

I'm willing to extend some room on social issues, and I've done so here. But, like you said, that still leaves Lincoln Chaffee out on economics. He's a big government liberal, and those will never be welcome in the Republican Party.

He's not an economic leftist; his disputes with the party line were on abortion, gay rights, environmentalism.

Oh, and Colin Powell. Who also broke with the party on affirmative action (a Nixon program).

103 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:29:12pm

Okay guys.... take a look at this....

"This Clearly Calm Coinage Concerned Conservative Can't Conceive Consigning Certain Crazy Cowards Convinced a Caliphate Could Consume our Courageous Country. A Computer Competent Cultured Clarifier of Complex Conundrums. Conversely, Call me Concisely Charles"

We need to bring this back come November 5th, which ironically will make it just after mid-term elections, won't it?

104 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:29:23pm

re: #101 Max D. Reinhardt

Um, why is Rachel Maddow ripping Obama and Biden for praising President Bush?

Maybe she's a knee jerk leftist.

/

105 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:29:31pm

re: #96 jamesfirecat

So what you're saying that Al Franken is a knee jerk leftist?

clueless

106 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:29:46pm

re: #101 Max D. Reinhardt

Um, why is Rachel Maddow ripping Obama and Biden for praising President Bush?

Because, good reporter that she is, Maddow still has the MSNBC predilection to BDS.

107 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:29:55pm

re: #101 Max D. Reinhardt

Um, why is Rachel Maddow ripping Obama and Biden for praising President Bush?

Because Rahcel Maddow doesn't believe in covering for the president when he makes mistakes.

108 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:29:58pm

re: #93 Lidane

So what other reason would a fiscally conservative pro-choice Republican candidate in New Hampshire and his 80 year old father get death threats from other Republicans if not for his position on abortion rights?

Take your time coming up with a reason. I'll wait.

so first prove he actually got the threats, then prove they came from other Republicans & then maybe we can speculate as to why... OK you are really making a lot of inferences here.

109 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:30:30pm

re: #78 freetoken

In our society we have the privilege of suing others. Amazingly even dolts get their chance at it:

9/11 first responder files suit against Ground Zero mosque developers

Hmmm... maybe we should file a suit against Geller et. al. claiming their idiocy is harming us?

I always wonder why people who do this kind of thing don't just spend the money on a crazy lavish South Pacific vacation instead.

110 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:31:19pm

re: #109 Charles

I always wonder why people who do this kind of thing don't just spend the money on a crazy lavish South Pacific vacation instead.

They feel dedication to their cause.

111 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:31:20pm

re: #104 Jetpilot1101

Maybe she's a knee jerk leftist.

/

Nah, but she's got to pander to her knee-jerk leftist audience. She's usually sanest in her opening rant.

112 Nimed  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:31:22pm

re: #87 tradewind

The term Liberal has been hijacked. It used to denote a principled position, not a knee-jerk leftist.
If Al Franken's really your idea of the ' gold standard of liberalism ', then you were right to apologize first.

Why are you hatin' on Franken? He is a really nice guy, you should get to know him better. Also, liberal used to mean (and still means in many places outside of the US) more or less what we mean by classical liberal/libertarian.

113 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:31:29pm

re: #97 Lidane
In the classical sense, sure.
But no matter. The term's lost its favor with those who ended up calling themselves ' liberals ', so they've settled on Progressives.

114 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:31:41pm

re: #108 brookly red

And you're in denial about there being people batshit enough to threaten him over his pro-choice stand in the first place.

115 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:32:19pm

Lieberman a liberal and a patriot? The man would eat shit sandwiches for a decade and switch parties every week to cling to power just one hour longer than fate has decreed for him.

116 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:32:24pm

re: #109 Charles

I always wonder why people who do this kind of thing don't just spend the money on a crazy lavish South Pacific vacation instead.

Probably because it's not their money. They are a front.

Now, the people wasting their money on this? They need a vaca.

117 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:33:09pm

re: #89 wozzablog

I was quite impressed with Britain's lancing of the wound with the Iraq Inquiry. Would that America would be so thoughtful.[Link: www.iraqinquiry.org.uk...]

118 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:33:35pm

re: #112 Nimed

Why are you hatin' on Franken? He is a really nice guy, you should get to know him better. Also, liberal used to mean (and still means in many places outside of the US) more or less what we mean by classical liberal/libertarian.

Franken will haunt them for years. Smart guy with a really cool history.

Oh, and I think he's on the side of right.

119 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:34:22pm

re: #114 Lidane

And you're in denial about there being people batshit enough to threaten him over his pro-choice stand in the first place.

no I am not it could happen and maybe it did happen... but you have no way of knowing let alone proving so don't worry about my denial worry about yours.

120 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:34:43pm

re: #87 tradewind

The term Liberal has been hijacked. It used to denote a principled position, not a knee-jerk leftist.
If Al Franken's really your idea of the ' gold standard of liberalism ', then you were right to apologize first.

Actually I would agree with James on this. Franken is a policy wonk who isn't afraid to call the right wing on their noxious crap. That's what I want in Congress on either side. People who live and breathe policy and call the other side out when they're being stupid.

121 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:35:06pm

Now what?

Florida pastor says he's 'rethinking" canceled Quran burning

A Florida pastor who called off a Quran burning said late Thursday he was "rethinking our position" after a Muslim leader said the minister incorrectly announced that the proposed Islamic center near New York's ground zero would be moved as part of a deal.

122 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:35:09pm

I posted several threads about the comments posted at right wing sites after the murder of Dr. George Tiller.

I was appalled, disgusted, pick your adjective.

People who make death threats, and people who actually carry out those threats, do not exist in a vacuum. There is always a community of enablers, and the murder of Dr. Tiller exposed how widespread the community is.

123 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:36:01pm

re: #117 prairiefire

I was quite impressed with Britain's lancing of the wound with the Iraq Inquiry. Would that America would be so thoughtful.[Link: www.iraqinquiry.org.uk...]

Britain seems to have had a different approach to Iraq - it was a war that had much less public support before the troops went in than in the States (massive media disparity) because most of the public seemed to call Bullshit (as did the foreign office and secret services through back channels) on the "evidence" presented by blair himself.

124 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:36:32pm

re: #121 freetoken

Now what?

Florida pastor says he's 'rethinking" canceled Quran burning

The media is dancing for him, so he's digging it. Dance, media, dance.

125 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:36:38pm

re: #116 Stanley Sea

Probably because it's not their money. They are a front.

Now, the people wasting their money on this? They need a vacation.

The Koch family takes plenty of vacations.

126 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:36:39pm

re: #119 brookly red

I'm taking the guy at his word. He says he's been threatened, and there's a whole lot of Bad Crazy in the GOP these days, especially among the teahadists who want to purge the ideological infidels from the party. It's not that hard to see that they're going after him because he's pro-choice.

127 cliffster  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:37:00pm

re: #121 freetoken

Now what?

Florida pastor says he's 'rethinking" canceled Quran burning

Entire media "rethinking" giving Florida pastor any more attention at all.

If only...

128 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:37:17pm

re: #117 prairiefire

I was quite impressed with Britain's lancing of the wound with the Iraq Inquiry. Would that America would be so thoughtful.[Link: www.iraqinquiry.org.uk...]

Honestly, that would be a bad idea. Americans' ideas about Iraq and Bush too fixed by ideology. If the report came up too far in favor of one side or another it would simply be rejected. It likely wouldn't even get released, since the committee would likely deadlock on partisan divisions.

129 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:37:25pm

re: #103 jamesfirecat
Once you exceed the three-words-in-a-row
limit, alliteration starts to lose its value as a communication tool./

130 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:37:59pm

re: #124 Charles

This is starting to look like the Schiavo circus.

131 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:38:48pm

I have no doubt that if the GOP was the majority in Congress that there would be a strong temptation to call the House back in session to address this "issue".

132 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:38:52pm

re: #120 PT Barnum
It'll be interesting to see if he can steal enough votes again next time.

133 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:38:52pm

re: #124 Charles

Honestly Charles, if the media had ignored this SOB from the get-go, no one would have heard about his ridiculous little stunt and the media wouldn't have been played like a fiddle. Sometimes, the best thing to do is to ignore the screaming child in the corner and eventually they stop screaming because they don't get the attention they crave.

134 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:38:54pm

re: #121 freetoken

Not surprising.

135 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:39:21pm

re: #129 tradewind

Once you exceed the three-words-in-a-row
limit, alliteration starts to lose its value as a communication tool./

It would sound better if we can get a clip of Charles reading it aloud....


I hope...

136 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:39:33pm

re: #78 freetoken

In our society we have the privilege of suing others. Amazingly even dolts get their chance at it:

9/11 first responder files suit against Ground Zero mosque developers

Hmmm... maybe we should file a suit against Geller et. al. claiming their idiocy is harming us?

That the same Vinnie Forras that's running for Senate. Not sure if he's still in the running. He's also a Fox News favorite of sorts so it seems.

[Link: www.vincentforras.com...]

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

137 darthstar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:39:41pm

It's getting hard to see how any Republican can support the Republican party.

138 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:39:48pm

re: #133 Jetpilot1101

The trick is, once its in the spotlight anyways you can't ignore it at that point.

It's a catch-22 really.

139 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:40:01pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, that would be a bad idea. Americans' ideas about Iraq and Bush too fixed by ideology. If the report came up too far in favor of one side or another it would simply be rejected. It likely wouldn't even get released, since the committee would likely deadlock on partisan divisions.

the first british report (Hutton) was dismissed as a whitewash - which it was - due to the restrictive terms of reference.

In the UK Iraq was not a left/right issue - it was sane people with an ounce of sense who saw through blair (most of us) against his insipid toadies on the back bench of his party too scared about losing their patronage if they called him on it.

The Torys went along with it because they saw how far forawrd planning was already and couldnt be seen to go against the troops mission.

140 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:40:49pm

re: #130 freetoken

This is starting to look like the Schiavo circus.

Someone in Congress would have to diagnose the problem by looking at a few videos first. =P

141 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:40:52pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Yes, I said "thoughtful."

142 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:40:56pm

re: #126 Lidane

I'm taking the guy at his word. He says he's been threatened, and there's a whole lot of Bad Crazy in the GOP these days, especially among the teahadists who want to purge the ideological infidels from the party. It's not that hard to see that they're going after him because he's pro-choice.

well what should we do round up 100 people at random and question them? please get a grip, can you understand that even your use of a slur like teahadists would disqualify you as a juror? You have a lot of feelings you just got no facts.

143 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:41:37pm

re: #142 brookly red

Why are you so hung up on jury standards? Is that your way of deflecting, or something?

144 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:41:44pm

re: #132 tradewind

It'll be interesting to see if he can steal enough votes again next time.

You couldn't resist your inner troll.

145 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:41:47pm

re: #140 Lidane

Someone in Congress would have to diagnose the problem by looking at a few videos first. =P

I'm sure Hannity and Fox News could provide the necessary videos.

146 darthstar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:42:09pm

Vikings-Saints - 42" TV...Motherfuckin' heaven.

147 compound idaho  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:42:38pm

re: #146 darthstar

Vikings-Saints - 42" TV...Motherfuckin' heaven.

72"

148 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:42:39pm

re: #132 tradewind

It'll be interesting to see if he can steal enough votes again next time.

Stay classy Tradwind, and you still haven't said what you don't like about Franken....

149 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:43:08pm

re: #133 Jetpilot1101

Honestly Charles, if the media had ignored this SOB from the get-go, no one would have heard about his ridiculous little stunt and the media wouldn't have been played like a fiddle. Sometimes, the best thing to do is to ignore the screaming child in the corner and eventually they stop screaming because they don't get the attention they crave.

I think this is at least partially Obama's fault. (yes, really). What really kicked things into high gear was the statement from Petraeus. He was not speaking off the cuff. He at least had permission from Obama to make his statement and might have been actually directed to make the statement. Continued statements from the White House, pentagon and world leaders are only drawing more attention and media coverage. I think this was poorly played.

150 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:43:32pm

re: #144 Reginald Perrin

You couldn't resist your inner troll.

yeah.

someones slip is showing, again.

151 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:43:46pm

re: #138 windsagio

The trick is, once its in the spotlight anyways you can't ignore it at that point.

It's a catch-22 really.

Good point. If I was in charge of say CNN or FOX or MSNBC for that matter, I would have released a statement indicating that my network was not going to cover a lunatic that was obvioulsy engaging in this behavior as a publicity stunt. I would have used words like childish, moronic, imbecile, idiot, douchebag, douchenozzle, and dumbass in my statement. I bet I would have had the highest ratings ever.

152 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:43:49pm

re: #121 freetoken

Now what?

Florida pastor says he's 'rethinking" canceled Quran burning

That didn't take long. Guess he couldn't stand the media spotlight being off him between now and Saturday. I'm pretty convinced by this point that the whole "Book-B-Que" was a publicity stunt concocted to gain air time for his church and to help swell the numbers in his flock.

153 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:44:06pm

Dark nothing personal, but why did you upding a comment suggesting Al Franken stole votes, with no proof to back it up?


You're probably the nicest guy on this board, but sometimes I REALLY don't get your thought process....

154 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:44:15pm

Did Bush ever issue statements or warnings about the Mohamed Cartoons? I don't recall any.

155 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:44:28pm

re: #137 darthstar

It's getting hard to see how any Republican can support the Republican party.

It's getting hard to see how anyone can support either of the parties. (Ojoe... don't start).

156 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:44:35pm

re: #143 Lidane

Why are you so hung up on jury standards? Is that your way of deflecting, or something?

no it is my way of trying to politely with out name calling explain to you that the world does not revolve around your "feelings" and that serious accusations can have serious consequences so that is why we need a standard of proof in these matters...

157 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:46:09pm

re: #127 cliffster
I felt really vindicated for my ' ignore the creep ' posture when Hillary Clinton and half of MSNBC this morning said that the media should never have paid attention to him.
He actually got the front page of USA Today.
He's not so much re-thinking as withdrawing, as he detoxes from notoriety.

158 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:46:10pm

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

It's getting hard to see how anyone can support either of the parties. (Ojoe... don't start).

The Democrats are sane. They may not be competent but they are sane.

159 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:46:10pm

re: #147 compound idaho

72"

104"

160 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:46:29pm

re: #159 Mr Pancakes

104"

HUT HUT!

161 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:46:38pm

Great hit by Roman Harper to set up an interception for the Saints. Rare for Farve to throw one of those.

162 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:47:36pm

re: #158 wozzablog

The Democrats are sane. They may not be competent but they are sane.

Thanks... that makes me feel better.

163 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:47:45pm

re: #137 darthstar
Channeling Harry Reid?

164 elizajane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:48:15pm

It's been a day of amazing news. Here's the latest:

A federal judge has declared "Don't ask, don't tell" to be unconstitutional. The suit was brought by the Log Cabin Republicans.

Watch the heads spin.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

165 compound idaho  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:48:16pm

re: #159 Mr Pancakes

104"

Wow! I think I love you. Can I come over.

166 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:48:18pm

re: #158 wozzablog

The Democrats are sane. They may not be competent but they are sane.

So what you are saying is half the congress is incompetent and the other half is insane.

167 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:48:37pm

re: #156 brookly red

I have never once said that any of this revolved around my feelings. Don't put words in my mouth or thoughts in my head, thanks.

All I have said -- repeatedly -- is that I am not shocked by these threats because I can believe they are real. There are people batshit crazy enough on the far right to make those threats. There are people who enable that kind of crap on the right. This is not new. It's just aimed at a pro-choice Republican, which just shows how far off the rails the GOP has gone these days.

168 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:48:48pm

re: #162 Walter L. Newton

Thanks... that makes me feel better.

you know, by comparison.

169 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:48:56pm

re: #153 jamesfirecat

Dark nothing personal, but why did you upding a comment suggesting Al Franken stole votes, with no proof to back it up?

You're probably the nicest guy on this board, but sometimes I REALLY don't get your thought process...

The way votes for Franken just 'happened' to be found suggests fraud to me. Also, tradewind was getting downdings and I wanted to counter them.

170 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:49:11pm

It sounds to me like Pammie may have called "Pastor" Jones to stiffen his...um...resolve.

171 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:49:45pm

re: #158 wozzablog

The Democrats are sane. They may not be competent but they are sane.

I trust Maxine Waters is excluded from that assessment.

172 sagehen  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:50:07pm

re: #158 wozzablog

The Democrats are sane. They may not be competent but they are sane.


The mostly useless party vs. the batshit insane party. I feel so much better now.

173 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:50:26pm

Here I thought Norm Coleman just lost the election. However narrow the results.

174 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:50:38pm

re: #166 Jetpilot1101

So what you are saying is half the congress is incompetent and the other half is insane.

Generally.

It's not been a well managed congress in terms of media management from the Dems, and the GOP Representatives (as has been linked here) seemed to be almost entirely non-committal about the Presidents citizenship.

175 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:50:41pm

re: #165 compound idaho

Wow! I think I love you. Can I come over.

Oh I hope you still love me....... I just typed a random number followed by quotation marks.

176 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:51:02pm

Al Franken was an inside job!!11ty

177 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:51:10pm

Whoo. A federal judge just decided that the military's ban on openly gay servicemembers is unconstitutional.

178 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:51:17pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I trust Maxine Waters is excluded from that assessment.

Like i said to Walter in clarification - by comparison and on the whole.

179 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:52:07pm

re: #177 Charles

Whoo. A federal judge just decided that the military's ban on openly gay servicemembers is unconstitutional.

Beat Drudge on that.

180 elizajane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:52:11pm

re: #177 Charles

Whoo. A federal judge just decided that the military's ban on openly gay servicemembers is unconstitutional.

Yep--and in a suit brought by the Log Cabin Republicans, no less!
How sweet it is....

181 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:52:23pm

re: #173 Gus 802

Mr. Coleman didn't lose the election. He lost the fight to stop the state canvassing board from changing the vote-counting rules after the fact.


[Link: online.wsj.com...]

182 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:52:24pm

re: #167 Lidane

I have never once said that any of this revolved around my feelings. Don't put words in my mouth or thoughts in my head, thanks.

All I have said -- repeatedly -- is that I am not shocked by these threats because I can believe they are real. There are people batshit crazy enough on the far right to make those threats. There are people who enable that kind of crap on the right. This is not new. It's just aimed at a pro-choice Republican, which just shows how far off the rails the GOP has gone these days.

whatever. yes it is a great GOP conspiracy to kill of all the pro choice rinos... and now that you have uncovered it surely you to are in danger...

sheesh. too much TV

183 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:52:52pm

re: #177 Charles

Whoo. A federal judge just decided that the military's ban on openly gay servicemembers is unconstitutional.

Cue the Armageddon music...

184 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:53:04pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I trust Maxine Waters is excluded from that assessment.

how dare you...

185 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:53:14pm

re: #177 Charles

Bad idea. The federal judiciary should stay out of the military's personnel policies. Judges aren't qualified to weight military matters.

186 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:53:14pm

re: #166 Jetpilot1101

So what you are saying is half the congress is incompetent and the other half is insane.

No 59% is incompetent and 41% is insane, remember we've got a democratic majority!

187 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:53:23pm

re: #177 Charles

Whoo. A federal judge just decided that the military's ban on openly gay servicemembers is unconstitutional.

Awesome.

re: #180 elizajane

Yep--and in a suit brought by the Log Cabin Republicans, no less!

Even better.

188 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:53:27pm

re: #175 Mr Pancakes

Oh I hope you still love me... I just typed a random number followed by quotation marks.

I thought you were a LIAR! There is no 104" on the market.

189 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:53:36pm

re: #180 elizajane
Well, maybe there's the answer as to how
' anyone ' could be a Republican.
Looks like it worked out pretty well for this petitioner(s).
Good for them.

190 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:53:52pm

re: #181 tradewind

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Oh I see. It's Bush vs. Gore redux. Kind of hurts when the shoe is on the other side. Like I always told the Gore people when it was decided that Bush had won, "get over it."

191 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:53:57pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

Bad idea. The federal judiciary should stay out of the military's personnel policies. Judges aren't qualified to weight military matters.

Bullshit.

192 darthstar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:54:28pm

re: #177 Charles

Whoo. A federal judge just decided that the military's ban on openly gay servicemembers is unconstitutional.

Yep...I just heard Rachel mention that a minute or two ago...good news item #4 on the day...to recap:
1. Ban on Stem Cell Research stayed by judge
2. Voinovich says he'll break with Republicans on Small Business Bill
3. Asshole preacher cancels Burn a Qu'ran day.
4. DADT ruled unconstitutional.

193 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:54:32pm

re: #182 brookly red

Wow. You're just desperate to put some kind of weird, paranoid ideas in my head to make yourself feel better. Project much?

194 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:54:32pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

The way votes for Franken just 'happened' to be found suggests fraud to me. Also, tradewind was getting downdings and I wanted to counter them.

If you insist because I don't want to bring up Indecision 2000 all over again, so at least thank you for answering me.

By the way would it be okay with you guys if I made a TV tropes page for LGF?

195 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:54:51pm

re: #130 freetoken

This is starting to look like the Schiavo circus.

You are the first person to say that (that I've seen) and YES, it is very close.

196 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:54:51pm

Time to fire up the big green egg and grill off some lamb scraps I have laying around. bbl

197 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:55:06pm

re: #182 brookly red

whatever. yes it is a great GOP conspiracy to kill of all the pro choice rinos... and now that you have uncovered it surely you to are in danger...

sheesh. too much TV

yes, because thats exactly how i read that comment..................

198 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:55:19pm

re: #186 jamesfirecat

No 59% is incompetent and 41% is insane, remember we've got a democratic majority!

Good point. Come November, captitol hill may need to be renamed as the DC Sanitarium.

199 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:55:19pm

re: #188 BigPapa

I thought you were a LIAR! There is no 104" on the market.

Actually my TV screen is 12 square inches right now so I can blog.

200 Max  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:56:48pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

Bad idea. The federal judiciary should stay out of the military's personnel policies. Judges aren't qualified to weight military matters.

No. The American judiciary should be more like the Israeli Supreme Court. You have to apply the rule of law, even during wartime, even in a war like the War on Terror.

201 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:56:51pm

re: #199 Mr Pancakes

Actually my TV screen is 12 square inches right now so I can blog.

LOL. My screen is a 32" monitor so I can work and read LGF. Except yous guys are all chatty today and I can't get work done.

202 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:56:53pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Going to have to add Eddie Bernice (D.,TX) to that list. If you're going to illegally funnel scholarship funds to your family members, the smart thing would not be to request that the money be sent directly to their mailboxes./

203 Jetpilot1101  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:57:00pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Time to fire up the big green egg and grill off some lamb scraps I have laying around. bbl

How do you like your big green egg? I'm in the market for a grill/smoker. Did yo get what you paid for?

204 Nimed  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:57:26pm

Judge: Military's ban on gays is unconstitutional

RIVERSIDE, Calif. – A federal judge in Southern California has declared the U.S. military's ban on openly gay service members unconstitutional.
U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips on Thursday granted a request for an injunction halting the government's "don't ask, don't tell" policy for gays in the military.
Phillips says the policy doesn't help military readiness and instead has a "direct and deleterious effect" on the armed services.
The lawsuit was the biggest legal test of the law in recent years and came amid promises by President Barack Obama that he will work to repeal the policy.
Government lawyers argued Phillips lacked the authority to issue a nationwide injunction and the issue should be decided by Congress.
The injunction was sought by the Log Cabin Republicans, a 19,000-member group that includes current and former military members.

The much mocked FREAKIN' LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS filed the injunction!?!

LOL

205 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:57:44pm

re: #201 BigPapa

LOL. My screen is a 32" monitor so I can work and read LGF. Except yous guys are all chatty today and I can't get work done.

Work? What means work?

206 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:57:47pm

re: #194 jamesfirecat

If you insist because I don't want to bring up Indecision 2000 all over again, so at least thank you for answering me.

By the way would it be okay with you guys if I made a TV tropes page for LGF?

Yes, go ahead.

207 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:58:15pm

re: #195 Stanley Sea

It's the "jump on the train" nature of the beast. The Holy Warriors against Islam are as dedicated to their cause as any group we've seen lately, and they will drive this to be a national issue when it really was not and should not be.

208 Amory Blaine  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:58:34pm

re: #203 Jetpilot1101

How do you like your big green egg? I'm in the market for a grill/smoker. Did yo get what you paid for?

That thing looks sweet.

209 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:58:35pm

re: #193 Lidane

Wow. You're just desperate to put some kind of weird, paranoid ideas in my head to make yourself feel better. Project much?

Look I am a registered democrat I too am trained in your ways... I have been polite all evening an now since you persist in your banter I must either call you a bigot or just walk away... I choose to walk away. Have an extremely wonderful existence.

210 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:58:48pm

re: #192 darthstar
Scratch # 3.
He's had another revelation.//

211 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:59:06pm

re: #200 Max D. Reinhardt

No. The American judiciary should be more like the Israeli Supreme Court. You have to apply the rule of law, even during wartime, even in a war like the War on Terror.

I don't agree. In war you do what you need to do to win.

212 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:59:51pm

Touchdown Vikings! Point after is blocked. Vikings 9, Saints 7.

213 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:59:54pm

re: #173 Gus 802

Here I thought Norm Coleman just lost the election. However narrow the results.

Bullshit claim that there was some sort of mess up with Franken's win.

Partisanship squared.

214 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:00:29pm

re: #202 tradewind

Going to have to add Eddie Bernice (D.,TX) to that list. If you're going to illegally funnel scholarship funds to your family members, the smart thing would not be to request that the money be sent directly to their mailboxes./

That goes in the "incompetent" category.

215 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:01:28pm

re: #209 brookly red

Was that written in English? I can't tell, since it's all gibberish.

Looks like it's time to upgrade the babel fish again.

216 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:01:55pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon
That's very sweet of you, DF, and I appreciate it but I gave up Ding/Counter-Ding as a tactic when I realized it's whack-a-mole, writ large.//
:)
No stifling of free speech.

217 Lidane  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:02:17pm

re: #198 Jetpilot1101

Good point. Come November, captitol hill may need to be renamed as the DC Sanitarium.

You mean it hasn't been already? =P

218 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:03:17pm

re: #144 Reginald Perrin

You couldn't resist your inner troll.

ha!!

219 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:03:17pm

re: #213 Stanley Sea
' Some sort of mess up ' meaning ' I'm losing under present rules, so I'll get 'em changed '.
(Because I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and by gosh... the democrat judiciary up here likes me!!)/

220 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:04:55pm

re: #157 tradewind

I felt really vindicated for my ' ignore the creep ' posture when Hillary Clinton and half of MSNBC this morning said that the media should never have paid attention to him.
He actually got the front page of USA Today.
He's not so much re-thinking as withdrawing, as he detoxes from notoriety.

Yes, I thought of you when I read that.

221 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:05:36pm

re: #182 brookly red

whatever. yes it is a great GOP conspiracy to kill of all the pro choice rinos... and now that you have uncovered it surely you to are in danger...

sheesh. too much TV

You completely disregard the death threats.

To maintain you position.

Brookly, does he really believe it? Or is he just our resident anti.re: #185 Dark_Falcon

Bad idea. The federal judiciary should stay out of the military's personnel policies. Judges aren't qualified to weight military matters.

ooh boy.

222 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:07:22pm

re: #220 prairiefire
People went ballistic, but really, it's the same as feeding the trolls.
Too late now, though... now, responsibly, they have to cover it. That ship has sailed.
Maybe this can be one giant teachable moment?
Nahhh.

223 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:08:40pm

re: #209 brookly red

Look I am a registered democrat I too am trained in your ways... I have been polite all evening an now since you persist in your banter I must either call you a bigot or just walk away... I choose to walk away. Have an extremely wonderful existence.

You just did call her a bigot, moron.

224 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:09:33pm

re: #209 brookly red

Look I am a registered democrat I too am trained in your ways... I have been polite all evening an now since you persist in your banter I must either call you a bigot or just walk away... I choose to walk away. Have an extremely wonderful existence.

lol

225 Nimed  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:10:27pm

re: #181 tradewind

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

That's what you get from trusting the an opinion page full of weasel words (the Franken evil lawyers "manipulated" stuff and acted "agressively" while the Coleman side behaved all honorably and shit).

The Minnesota Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of Franken. Why are they wrong in your opinion? If you disagree with them, then you're of the opinion that those absentee in question ballots should have been rejected. Why?

226 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:11:41pm

re: #209 brookly red

Look I am a registered democrat I too am trained in your ways... I have been polite all evening an now since you persist in your banter I must either call you a bigot or just walk away... I choose to walk away. Have an extremely wonderful existence.

The party left you in 1964 right???

227 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:13:44pm

re: #221 Stanley Sea

You completely disregard the death threats.

To maintain you position.

Brookly, does he really believe it? Or is he just our resident anti.re: #185 Dark_Falcon

ooh boy.

I doubled up that comment eh? both things I responded to were total bs, so there

228 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:14:22pm

re: #198 Jetpilot1101
Yes, we'd better enjoy our island of executive forethought, congressional cooperation, and fiscal responsibility while it lasts./

229 Nimed  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:15:14pm

re: #225 Nimed

PIMF - the absentee ballots in question. That was a weird inversion.

230 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:15:27pm

re: #225 Nimed
Not doing this.
It'd be a total thread hijack.
It's done, he's there, congratulations.
Not my senator.

231 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:15:34pm

re: #77 Max D. Reinhardt

Do Democrats cause cancer?

/

Democrats are alive. Some of them create live people.

Cancer only strikes live people.

THEREFORE, Democrats cause cancer! 111ty!

232 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:16:09pm

re: #230 tradewind

Not doing this.
It'd be a total thread hijack.
It's done, he's there, congratulations.
Not my senator.

You don't live in Minnesota IDIOT!

233 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:16:24pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

Bad idea. The federal judiciary should stay out of the military's personnel policies. Judges aren't qualified to weight military matters.

Our military has civilian leadership.

234 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:16:51pm

re: #232 Stanley Sea

I like it when you get feisty :D

235 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:17:00pm

re: #228 tradewind

Yes, we'd better enjoy our island of executive forethought, congressional cooperation, and fiscal responsibility while it lasts./

you realise the irony in that from where you are coming from?...............right?

236 Stanghazi  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:17:31pm

re: #230 tradewind

Not doing this.
It'd be a total thread hijack.
It's done, he's there, congratulations.
Not my senator.

re: #232 Stanley Sea

You don't live in Minnesota IDIOT!

lol, of COURSE he's not your Senator. Buy you will have to watch.

partisanship provides humor.

237 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:21:57pm

re: #15 Max D. Reinhardt

Didn't Goldwater also take the Rand Paul view of Civil Rights? Didn't he believe in businesses' right to discriminate and even voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because of that?

I knew the man and supported him for 35 years, from the 1964 election right to the end of his life. Back in 1964, I believed the rationale he offered to black voters and civil rights advocates: that existing laws were adequate to assure voting rights and an end to discrimination by the government, as in Little Rock in 1958, and that economic pressure would eventually resolve the problem of private discrimination.

In retrospect, this was obviously a figleaf for an electorally driven compromise with segregationists. This is demonstrated by a statement he had made to an Atlanta Republican group in 1962, but that wasn't common knowledge in those pre-internet times:

"we're not going to get the negro vote as a block in 1964 and 1968, so we ought to go hunting where the ducks are"


The 1964 "southern strategy" was actually an about-face for Goldwater, since he had previously voted for almost all civil rights legislation and had been instrumental in de-segregating the Arizona National Guard, for instance. Southern (segregationist) Democrats in fact emphasized his previous record during the campaign.

I can't prove it from a public source, but I am certain that Goldwater came to deeply regret this compromise in later years. This was a significant factor in his refusal to similarly compromise with the religious right during its rise to power in the 80s and 90s. In this, he was definitely influenced by something he recognized but that most of the media unaccountably failed to emphasize: In many cases (Falwell for instance), the segregationists of the 60s were the same people as the religious right of the 80s and later.
The connection between the religious right and the neo-confederate "states rights" mob is transparently obvious today, but Goldwater recognized it 30 years ago and refused to go down that path again.

238 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:23:16pm

re: #133 Jetpilot1101

Honestly Charles, if the media had ignored this SOB from the get-go, no one would have heard about his ridiculous little stunt and the media wouldn't have been played like a fiddle. Sometimes, the best thing to do is to ignore the screaming child in the corner and eventually they stop screaming because they don't get the attention they crave.

Meanwhile, I'm the guy at the table nearest the corner who's having his dinner ruined by the little screamer.

"Soothe it, remove it, or smother it, I do not care. But STOP it now!"

239 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:25:57pm

re: #203 Jetpilot1101

How do you like your big green egg? I'm in the market for a grill/smoker. Did yo get what you paid for?

I really like it. It's spendy but worth the money. I'll be posting some big green egg hacks in the pages eventually. It can be very versatile with a few tweaks.

240 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:27:25pm

re: #166 Jetpilot1101

So what you are saying is half the congress is incompetent and the other half is insane.

I'd say at least half the congress is incompetent and at least half is insane. Some are both, some are neither.

241 blueraven  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:32:23pm

re: #33 researchok

why frum?

Sorry researchok, got called away.

Its just that Frum has been criticized as a RINO. He was fired from the conservative think tank he was writing for and has generally been beat up by the right.


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