Keith Jarrett: Lausanne, March 20, 1973, Part 2

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Every few years I rediscover a monumental work of improvisation, one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever recorded: Keith Jarrett’s Solo Concerts: Bremen & Lausanne. I first heard this record in a small sushi bar in Tokyo in 1974, and it hasn’t aged; if anything, it’s more moving and profound than ever.

This four-part video playlist is the second half of the Lausanne concert, beginning with Keith going inside the piano. (The sound is slightly better if you switch the video to 480p.)

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208 comments

Slap Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:50:50pm

Thanks for keeping Jarrett so far to the fore, Charles. He's one of those that is electrically connected to what FZ called The Big Note, in my mind. The only other more lyrical player I ever heard was Bill Evans.

Tyner's solo work was pretty breathtaking, too.

But Jarrett is a walking conduit of wonder and beauty.

darthstar Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:55:18pm

I love my wife.
I love my wife.
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Did I say I love my wife yet?

b_sharp Wed, Oct 27, 2010 2:56:10pm

Why do you love your wife.

calochortus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:00:11pm

re: #2 darthstar

I'm delighted to hear it. Happy marriages are a fine thing. Is there a particular reason for this outpouring?

darthstar Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:00:34pm

re: #3 b_sharp

Why do you love your wife.

Game 2.

But for tonight, I say this...

Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:01:15pm

re: #5 darthstar

Game 2.

But for tonight, I say this...

Game 2?

rwmofo Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:04:33pm

This is what I like the most about LGF (hearing cool music I've never previously heard).

calochortus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:05:47pm

re: #6 PT Barnum

Ahh, I vaguely recall something about tickets for the Giants?

b_sharp Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:05:47pm

re: #7 rwmofo

This is what I like the most about LGF (hearing cool music I've never previously heard).

If you didn't like jazz before, that's going to change.

calochortus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:08:09pm

Meanwhile, I think the lard is thawed so its time to make a pie crust.

BBIAB

Kragar Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:10:24pm

re: #2 darthstar

I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
I love my wife.
Did I say I love my wife yet?

So do I.
/ducking

Political Atheist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:11:12pm

re: #2 darthstar

Okay so she lurks around here like my wife does? Or did somebody just gorgeous walk by with a wink?

Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:11:57pm

I have to admit most jazz other than the "smooth" stuff does nothing for me.

Don't defang this Lizard for such a heinous admission, okay Charles?

Winny Spencer Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:15:05pm

re: #13 PT Barnum

Seconded. We have to stick together. Still love the blog though!

freetoken Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:15:09pm

This could lead to interesting places...

Researchers find a 'liberal gene'

Liberals may owe their political outlook partly to their genetic make-up, according to new research from the University of California, San Diego, and Harvard University. Ideology is affected not just by social factors, but also by a dopamine receptor gene called DRD4. The study's authors say this is the first research to identify a specific gene that predisposes people to certain political views.

Appearing in the latest edition of The Journal of Politics published by Cambridge University Press, the research focused on 2,000 subjects from The National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. By matching genetic information with maps of the subjects' social networks, the researchers were able to show that people with a specific variant of the DRD4 gene were more likely to be liberal as adults, but only if they had an active social life in adolescence.

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter affecting brain processes that control movement, emotional response, and ability to experience pleasure and pain. Previous research has identified a connection between a variant of this gene and novelty-seeking behavior, and this behavior has previously been associated with personality traits related to political liberalism.

Lead researcher James H. Fowler of UC San Diego and his colleagues hypothesized that people with the novelty-seeking gene variant would be more interested in learning about their friends' points of view. As a consequence, people with this genetic predisposition who have a greater-than-average number of friends would be exposed to a wider variety of social norms and lifestyles, which might make them more liberal than average. They reported that "it is the crucial interaction of two factors – the genetic predisposition and the environmental condition of having many friends in adolescence – that is associated with being more liberal." The research team also showed that this held true independent of ethnicity, culture, sex or age.

Fowler concludes that the social and institutional environment cannot entirely explain a person's political attitudes and beliefs and that the role of genes must be taken into account. "These findings suggest that political affiliation is not based solely on the kind of social environment people experience," said Fowler, professor of political science and medical genetics at UC San Diego.

rwmofo Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:16:26pm

Every so often I see a picture of this chic and say, "Hey, she's kinda hot," then think, "Wait a minute, she looks kinda like Courtney... Oh, that's Courtney Love. Never mind."

b_sharp Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:16:58pm

Let's wait until it passes peer review before accepting it cold.

Kragar Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:17:47pm

re: #17 b_sharp

Let's wait until it passes peer review before accepting it cold.

Oh, I expect the Wingnuts to pick up on this right away regardless of any real findings.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:18:06pm

Head Stomper truther movement taking shape

*facepalm*

Political Atheist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:18:17pm

Whew-See Joy Behars "bitch" quotes about Sharron Angle? Then Sharron sent her flowers in thanks for all the fund raising support.

Californian?
Vote Yes on 19
Helps calm the angry among us.

rwmofo Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:18:38pm

re: #15 freetoken

This could lead to interesting places...

Researchers find a 'liberal gene'

Gene Simmons?

Political Atheist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:19:13pm

re: #20 Rightwingconspirator

Well darn it that comment was supposed to BE #19.

Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:19:21pm

How the Farmer Can Save His Sweet Potatoes and Ways of Preparing Them for the Table

BULLETIN NO. 38 NOVEMBER 1936
By Geo. W. Carver

Scroll down for recipes. Sweet taters are in season now and people mostly just have them for the holidays but I eat them all year. For those with gluten issues there's a recipe to make your own sweet potato flour. Works well with bread and pasta.

freetoken Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:19:30pm

re: #19 Dreggas

Never underestimate the power of idiots.

Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:21:47pm

re: #19 Dreggas

Head Stomper truther movement taking shape

*facepalm*

Alex Jones and the rest of the wingnuts have been claiming it was a conspiracy.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:24:32pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

supposedly there is now video out that the wingers are using to say she deserved it. Apparently she wanted to get her picture taken with Paul while holding her sign....obviously she's a terrorist.

jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:24:46pm

OT: Guys I'm rethinking my sign for the rally to restore sanity. While there was nothing wrong with "Southpaws for Sanity" there was also nothing really right with it either.

Instead I'm thinking of something like this...

"I love America too much to flounce, but can we hire some better mods? The trolls are taking over...."

With a "link" to this place beneath it....

Kragar Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:26:05pm

re: #27 jamesfirecat

OT: Guys I'm rethinking my sign for the rally to restore sanity. While there was nothing wrong with "Southpaws for Sanity" there was also nothing really right with it either.

Instead I'm thinking of something like this...

"I love America too much to flounce, but can we hire some better mods? The trolls are taking over..."

With a "link" to this place beneath it...

Could go with a classic Monty Python line.

"I'm sick and tired of being told I'm sick and tired."

b_sharp Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:26:15pm

re: #27 jamesfirecat

OT: Guys I'm rethinking my sign for the rally to restore sanity. While there was nothing wrong with "Southpaws for Sanity" there was also nothing really right with it either.

Instead I'm thinking of something like this...

"I love America too much to flounce, but can we hire some better mods? The trolls are taking over..."

With a "link" to this place beneath it...

It would be better for the country if the trolls stayed under the bridge.

Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:27:26pm

How about Sanity in our Politics? Are you CRAZY!!?

tradewind Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:28:33pm

Now here's a move guaranteed to boost his ratings://
A normal human reaction, though, that in hard times POTUS heads for the shelter of his base, and some sage advice. After all, if Kos and CrooksandLiars can't help him, who can?
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Kragar Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:29:15pm

Man, I just realized I still have a ton of painting to finish up for a game this weekend.

jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:29:35pm

re: #31 tradewind

Now here's a move guaranteed to boost his ratings://
A normal human reaction, though, that in hard times POTUS heads for the shelter of his base, and some sage advice. After all, if Kos and CrooksandLiars can't help him, who can?
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Why the hate for CrooksandLiars?

tradewind Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:33:51pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat
No hate.
Strangely, though, when looking up the definition of 'eponymous', they're mentioned as an example.//
(No, james, not literally).

Political Atheist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:35:48pm

The violence just keeps escalating. Mexico has cartel gunfights like Kabul has warlord fights. The latest-15 shot dead at a carwash.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

tradewind Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:38:55pm

Just a drive-by...
re: #35 Rightwingconspirator

140 miles from Brownsville, TX, USA?
Hope they get a handle on it soon.

tradewind Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:39:24pm

Out. Ya'll have a good night.

wrenchwench Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:40:20pm

re: #35 Rightwingconspirator

The violence just keeps escalating. Mexico has cartel gunfights like Kabul has warlord fights. The latest-15 shot dead at a carwash.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The most apt comparison is Colombia from several years ago. They still have a lot of problems, but with a LOT of help form the US, they seem to have come through to the other side.

wrenchwench Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:42:32pm

re: #36 tradewind

Just a drive-by...

140 miles from Brownsville, TX, USA?
Hope they get a handle on it soon.

There was a massacre just as big about 3 miles from El Paso a few days ago. Yesterday they closed the bridge because three federal police agents were killed just on the other side. 140 miles is relatively nice.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:44:11pm

From time to time I argue against people who say gay marriage should not be legal because they have religious or social opinions against it, by pointing out that my father, a devout Roman Catholic, has religious and social opinions against divorce, and no one seems to give a damn.

I spoke too soon.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:44:44pm

re: #35 Rightwingconspirator

Amazingly there was no violence and no issue down in the Cabo area. Seems baja (save for the border area) may as well be a different country altogether.

jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:45:30pm

re: #34 tradewind

No hate.
Strangely, though, when looking up the definition of 'eponymous', they're mentioned as an example.//
(No, james, not literally).

Sorry it's just its a well known meme on LGF (the truth of which I am not interested in debating) that Kos is a hot bed of anti-semitism, so to see Crooks and Liars mentioned without pause in the same breath as them, made me wonder if they had some horrific skeletons in their closet I wasn't aware of....

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:45:39pm

re: #31 tradewind

Now here's a move guaranteed to boost his ratings://
A normal human reaction, though, that in hard times POTUS heads for the shelter of his base, and some sage advice. After all, if Kos and CrooksandLiars can't help him, who can?
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Why is this a bad move? He's talking to some bloggers.

jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:46:26pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

Why is this a bad move? He's talking to some bloggers.

//Cause there's nothing Americans hate more than having a President who is cool and "with it"

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:47:02pm

re: #44 jamesfirecat

//Cause there's nothing Americans hate more than having a President who is cool and "with it"

Heh. Remember Clinton's saxophone solo?

Wozza Matter? Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:49:20pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat

Why the hate for CrooksandLiars?

You know that quoting someones words back at them via the medium of video tape is just liberal hatespeech..................

jaunte Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:51:36pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

Why is this a bad move? He's talking to some bloggers.

It's just some more reflexive snark. I don't know what will happen after the mid-terms when people realize Obama is still in the White House.

Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:52:41pm

re: #47 jaunte

It's just some more reflexive snark. I don't know what will happen after the mid-terms when people realize Obama is still in the White House.

But now we can subpeona him for his sekrit Muzlim nirth thertifikat.

goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:57:13pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Man, I just realized I still have a ton of painting to finish up for a game this weekend.

You've talked up 40K so much that I've started to build and paint a gretchin heavy ork army. Forgeworld's new grot tanks and mega tank wore down my resistance with their overwhelming cuteness.

Nervous Norvous Wed, Oct 27, 2010 3:57:24pm

re: #47 jaunte

It's just some more reflexive snark. I don't know what will happen after the mid-terms when people realize Obama is still in the White House.

I think the Tea Partiers are going to just get more and more batshit crazy because once they get in, the GOP is going to try to keep them from going completely guanomanic to avoid a really bad backlash in 2012.

Once they're in power, they will be held resposible for actually getting something done. To the extent that they don't they'll be out on their ears just as fast as they came in.

wrenchwench Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:00:40pm

re: #47 jaunte

It's just some more reflexive snark.

Seems to be stock-in-trade for some.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:05:31pm

How Rep. Michele Bachmann Used Mobile Ads to Turn Beer and Corn Dogs Into Votes From Fair Folk

By now, you know that political candidates are tossing ads onto mobile devices by the truckload. And you probably also know that mobile advertising gives campaigns control over the geographic reach of their ads, so that, for example, if you’re a Republican trying to get out the vote in Texas, you can configure your campaign so that the ad appears on phones in Dallas and Houston but not in Austin. But some campaigns are getting even more extreme in how they deploy ads to mobile devices by using a tactic that strategist Eric Frenchman calls “hyper-local targeting” or a “mobile surge”--candidates configure ad campaigns around specific events.

The most creative use of that tactic probably was an ad Frenchman orchestrated for Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann last summer. Bachmann’s team had prepared a television commercial lambasting her opponent’s (alleged) support for taxes on beer, corn dogs, and deep-fried bacon. (“Alleged” because the accuracy of the claims around the corn dog and bacon taxes has since been challenged.) The ad was scheduled to run while the Minnesota State Fair was taking place. Frenchman, who works for Connell Donatelli, realized it would be amazingly powerful to get that ad in front of fairgoers, while they were at the fair itself.

Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:06:08pm

Pollution black list forces big business to act

Large multinational companies and their local suppliers in China have long been receiving criticism over environmental concerns.

Political Atheist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:06:22pm

Obdicut, are you at the keyboard? I have some time to kick around voting/fraud/voter ID stuff.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:06:24pm

re: #50 PT Barnum

if they fail at any of the things they ran on (the tea party candidates who manage to get elected) there will be all kinds of hell to pay. Of course they have to get elected first. If the GOP doesn't take both the house and the senate with the way they've been predicting and the way the media has been saying it will be even worse.

Henchman 25 Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:07:00pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh. I loved Clinton and his sax. I always thought it was so cool. :P

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:07:33pm

re: #47 jaunte

It's just some more reflexive snark. I don't know what will happen after the mid-terms when people realize Obama is still in the White House.

Probably the same thing that happened after the impeachment proceedings during the Clinton admin.

"I don't get it, he was impeached. Why is he still in office. TYRANNY!!11TY"

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:08:05pm

re: #56 SteelPH

as a sax player since the 4th grade i thought it was cool back then (when i was in school) now I can't stand the sax LOL. Got bored with it.

Political Atheist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:09:07pm

re: #56 SteelPH

Seeing as this thread kicked off as music-I got in the habit of playing candyrat dot com radio station when I hang out here. Anyone else?

[Link: www.candyrat.com...]

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:10:05pm

re: #59 Rightwingconspirator

i used to/still do listen to KNAC.com on occasion.

Political Atheist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:11:19pm

re: #60 Dreggas

i used to/still do listen to KNAC.com on occasion.

OMG the NAC! I had not thought about them for quite a while. Little hard for my work area, but great energy going on there.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:16:20pm

re: #61 Rightwingconspirator

used to listen to that station all day at work but company banned streaming audio :(

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:17:42pm

re: #26 Dreggas

supposedly there is now video out that the wingers are using to say she deserved it. Apparently she wanted to get her picture taken with Paul while holding her sign...obviously she's a terrorist.

//

I would say that wanting to get a photograph taken of yourself annoying a politicians is an offense that should get your head stomped on, sure.

Political Atheist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:17:57pm

re: #62 Dreggas

Da bastards! That does suck. Candyrat has been so popular here I get asked to put it on. My workstation has video editing capacity so I got the best speakers in the company.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:18:21pm

FOX noise tries to school Obama on racial sensitivity...

*facepalm*

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:18:41pm

re: #47 jaunte

It's just some more reflexive snark. I don't know what will happen after the mid-terms when people realize Obama is still in the White House.

You think that's bad. Wait until after he wins his second term. Some folks are going to cry, and I mean that literally.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:19:52pm

re: #56 SteelPH

Heh. I loved Clinton and his sax. I always thought it was so cool. :P

I often point out that I am of the generation of Democrats that imprinted on Bill Clinton like a baby duck. He got into office in my second year of college. We'd had nothing but Republicans as far back as I can remember.

Bill broke my damn heart, but I still love him.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:19:59pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

I would say that wanting to get a photograph taken of yourself annoying a politicians is an offense that should get your head stomped on, sure.

Like shoplifting should get your hand cut off. American Taliban, here we come. Weee!!!

Political Atheist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:20:40pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

Why the wingnuts will up and move to.... (wait for it)

The Idaho panhandle. Or maybe Ruby Ridge.

William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:20:50pm

Oooh, a new to me Jarret disc. Yea! Thank you, Charles.

Winny Spencer Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:21:10pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

I think some did already when he won his first term.....

goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:23:34pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh. Remember Clinton's saxophone solo?

I blame that stunt on Kenny G and his unholy circular breathing technique.

Kronocide Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:25:39pm

re: #19 Dreggas

Oh for fucks sake!

Political Atheist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:25:40pm

Off to my commute.
C ya!

nonono Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:27:54pm

First post new at this. First time I registered on a blog. Will try to make a contribution. Never have been very into the internet. Work all the time.

Hello all.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:28:22pm

re: #75 nonono

First post new at this. First time I registered on a blog. Will try to make a contribution. Never have been very into the internet. Work all the time.

Hello all.

Well, hi there!

Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:29:05pm

[Link: freefall.purrsia.com...]

OK, I guess they had to sparkly someone else after the vampires...

Kronocide Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:29:19pm

hm... spidey hairs standing up....

nonono Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:30:07pm

Thanks SanFrancisco I will mostly watch & learn for a while.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:30:24pm

re: #73 BigPapa

Definitive proof that "the bitch had it coming". Or something.

engineer cat Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:30:30pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

I blame that stunt on Kenny G and his unholy circular breathing technique.

clinton has a better tone than kenny g

donald duck has a better tone than kenny g

wrenchwench Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:30:47pm

re: #78 BigPapa

hm... spidey hairs standing up...

No kidding. Rolled all the usual clues into one big ball.

rwmofo Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:31:26pm

re: #59 Rightwingconspirator

Seeing as this thread kicked off as music-I got in the habit of playing candyrat dot com radio station when I hang out here. Anyone else?

[Link: www.candyrat.com...]

I'll listen to Pandora - particularly when I'm working from home. You can pick anything from Alison Krauss to Alice in Chains.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:31:33pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

No kidding. Rolled all the usual clues into one big ball.

Do you guys have NO faith in humanity?

Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:31:56pm

OK, I may flip on the Aqua Buddha headstomping.....
Conservatives Tout New Video Of Kentucky Stomping (VIDEO)

Not only does she rush the car trying to stuff her sign in the window but at 0:50 she's still running around. This time in front of the car running towards Paul as he exits the car. She was way out of line and behaving incredibly dumb. She could have been killed.

Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:32:41pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

I forgot to embed the video....

Youtube Video

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:32:59pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

OK, I may flip on the Aqua Buddha headstomping...
Conservatives Tout New Video Of Kentucky Stomping (VIDEO)

Not only does she rush the car trying to stuff her sign in the window but at 0:50 she's still running around. This time in front of the car running towards Paul as he exits the car. She was way out of line and behaving incredibly dumb. She could have been killed.

I don't think anyone was saying she was acting SMART.

goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:34:24pm

re: #81 engineer dog

clinton has a better tone than kenny g

donald duck has a better tone than kenny g

But he can hold it for 45 minutes! How can someone dis the man who put playing saxophone in the same category as competitive eating?

Kronocide Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:34:35pm

re: #80 Slumbering Behemoth

According some some lizards here she deserved to get her ass kicked for that, though not a head stomping.

Doesn't change much of anything.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:34:56pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you guys have NO faith in humanity?

What do you take us for? A buncha secular humanists? Go crawl back to your god Darwin, you un-merican freak!
///

Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:34:59pm

re: #80 Slumbering Behemoth

Definitive proof that "the bitch had it coming". Or something.

As much as I hate to go give one to the wingnuts I think I might have to. She goes after Paul very aggressively at least twice and probably would have continued to do so. She was creating a security threat.

Kronocide Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:35:16pm

re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you guys have NO faith in humanity?

/

'Oh the trollmanity!'

engineer cat Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:36:27pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

But he can hold it for 45 minutes!

there's medication for that now

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:36:40pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

She certainly was a bad actor there, but she should have been simply blocked (easier said then done, I know), not pinned and stomped.

Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:36:51pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think anyone was saying she was acting SMART.

She was creating a repeated security threat. They were right to take her down. In light of the new video I can even forgive the extra kick. She would have kept doing that all night long if she wasn't stopped.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:36:58pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

As much as I hate to go give one to the wingnuts I think I might have to. She goes after Paul very aggressively at least twice and probably would have continued to do so. She was creating a security threat.

I have no trouble with the idea that they needed to restrain her.

The stomping remains over the edge to me.

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:38:13pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

She was creating a repeated security threat. They were right to take her down. In light of the new video I can even forgive the extra kick. She would have kept doing that all night long if she wasn't stopped.

Was there security or police presence at the event?

And a stomp to the head, once you have someone down, is not a restraining gesture. It wasn't heat of the moment either. It's quite deliberate.

Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:38:46pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

The stomping remains over the edge to me.

I agree that it was over the line but it's easy to see what lead up to that stomp now. I can't condone it but I do understand how it happened.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:39:28pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

As much as I hate to go give one to the wingnuts...

NO QUARTER!!11ty

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:39:40pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

the only ones who should have "restrained" her were the police, obviously if they were there they did not perceive her as being much of a threat. What the paul-tard supporters did was nothing short of vigilante style crap that has become all too common place when they disagree with someone. See the "security" detail that the numb-nuts in Alaska had who went after a reporter. They were thugs, plain and simple.

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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:39:46pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

In light of the new video I can even forgive the extra kick.

A thousand times no. Again, if you can't do it in Shooto, you can't do it to a restrained, grounded, unarmed female. Ever.

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nonono Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:40:26pm

How does the reply box by the date work? If you point on that and left click it replys to that person or that very post? Thanks.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:40:42pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

A thousand times no. Again, if you can't do it in Shooto, you can't do it to a restrained, grounded, unarmed female. Ever.

She was completely under control when the dude decided to step on her head. I understand that agitated nuts at events are a problem. But there are some limits.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:41:39pm

re: #102 nonono

How does the reply box by the date work? If you point on that and left click it replys to that person or that very post? Thanks.

If you hit 'reply', you reply to the post, and the post number you're responding appears at the top.

If you hit 'quote' it's the same, except the whole post you're responding to also appears, and people can see what you're answering.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:41:40pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

I'll agree with you up to the kick part. She was already pinned and under control. The kick, stomp, or whatever, was unnecessary.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:42:44pm

Updated the stalker thread with this gem:

Mullah Buzzy, otherwise known as Buzzsawmonkey writes some truly deranged stuff:

“Anti-gay rights” is problematic, for there are no Constitutional rights that are denied the homosexually-inclined. “Anti-gay privileges” doesn’t sound nearly so sexy, though, does it? But since “gay” is a purely political designation for a grievance constituency whose component members constantly alter under highly malleable definitions by a political lobby, it is up to you to define with specificity—as you do not—what this group consists of, and what “rights” it is being denied.

Gay is a purely political designation designed to create grievance? Who'd have thought it was a sexual preference for getting it on with partners of the same gender and something much more fundamental. As to what is being denied, we have a complete denial the denial here. So a short list. 1. The right to serve their nation in the military openly. They do already anyway and have, with distinction since ancient times. Ever hear of the Spartans? 2. The right to not be harassed in the workplace or refused adoption. 3. The right to have their long term civil unions put on the same footing as any other civil union.

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nonono Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:43:12pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

I will try the reply box.
Is the car window up or down? If it is down the sign could have hit some one. If not not such a big deal. Just a car window banged.

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Kronocide Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:44:08pm

KT,

They all knew her and the game was already well under way. She was there and they had already blocked her once so she ran around them once the car came to a stop.

I could see them blocking or restraining if she was a security threat, her being unknown. But she was not unknown, they knew her and she knew them. Therefore, I find that an excuse, remotely plausible, sure. They all knew she was a MoveOn plant which removes their excuse as a security threat.

She was also playing part of the game of political theater but does not deserve the throwdown nor the stomping.

The Stomper obviously is not justified or warranted, you can see him angry about it. This has no effect on his case.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:44:17pm

re: #106 LudwigVanQuixote

Updated the stalker thread with this gem:

Mullah Buzzy, otherwise known as Buzzsawmonkey writes some truly deranged stuff:

Gay is a purely political designation designed to create grievance? Who'd have thought it was a sexual preference for getting it on with partners of the same gender and something much more fundamental. As to what is being denied, we have a complete denial the denial here. So a short list. 1. The right to serve their nation in the military openly. They do already anyway and have, with distinction since ancient times. Ever hear of the Spartans? 2. The right to not be harassed in the workplace or refused adoption. 3. The right to have their long term civil unions put on the same footing as any other civil union.

Buzz hates gay people.

And the term 'human rights', which he frequently railed against here.

Also the X-Men.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:45:55pm

re: #100 Dreggas

Not all that you assert is readily apparent in that video. Police may not have had a line of sight to her actions, which would seem to be the case as the guys were yelling "get the cops" or whatever.

Also, there is nothing wrong with citizens trying to restrain a potential assualter (is too a word :P), which is why we have things like "Citizen's Arrest".

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BishopX Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:46:27pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

According to her, she was running around the car because 5 men were chasing her, you can see one of the guys who went after her as she broke out of the crowd still following her around 0:55, big guy in a gray shirt.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:47:27pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

Buzz hates gay people.

And the term 'human rights', which he frequently railed against here.

Also the X-Men.

Yep. He is a magnificent douche. There is also a truly unhinged rant by the Rodent dissected. I am supplying this for its comedy material. Seriously, with all the goons out there in the real world like them fouling up our politics, it is revealing and de-stressing to just expose them for their stupidity and let them flail a bit.

Check out the threads, they are comedy gold.

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prairiefire Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:47:31pm

re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey! Do you still have the chimes at class? When I read that post I thought, "Man, that is so Private School."

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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:49:04pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Was there security or police presence at the event?

It doesn't appear the police were there. Once again this forces me to side with the wingnuts. I'm pretty sure it's standard security common sense to have police at the point where the candidate exits the car. It's when they are at their most vulnerable. She should have been cuffed at least temporarily after the first time she rushed the car and searched/questioned by police. Her repeated attempts and lack of police protection made this a very dangerous situation.
If police were on the scene there's actually a decent chance she could have been shot. You just can't behave like that around elected officials or candidates.

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darthstar Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:49:10pm

Manhattan, check.
Dogs on the couch, check.
Cat next to my computer, check.
National Anthem and fly over complete, check.
Let's go Giants!

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calochortus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:49:30pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

I believe the stomper says he asked the police to stop her and they said that wasn't their job. The implication being they were there to prevent anyone being hurt, not annoyed.

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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:50:23pm

re: #107 nonono

I will try the reply box.
Is the car window up or down? If it is down the sign could have hit some one. If not not such a big deal. Just a car window banged.

The car window appears to me to be about half down.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:50:37pm

Totally OT

This is what my boys have been obsessed with for the last week or so:

Youtube Video

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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:52:38pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

She was creating a repeated security threat. They were right to take her down. In light of the new video I can even forgive the extra kick. She would have kept doing that all night long if she wasn't stopped.

This Code Pink "activist" was not head stomped when she threatened Condi Rice. I do not recall that she was mishandled at all, but probably quickly frog-marched off the premises.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:53:22pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

True.

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:53:36pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

Also, there is nothing wrong with citizens trying to restrain a potential assualter (is too a word :P), which is why we have things like "Citizen's Arrest".

What you have just said is categorically wrong. Assault-- the attempt to commit battery-- is a misdemeanor in almost all cases. To even begin a 'citizen's arrest' you have to witness a felony.

Now, the cops-- and judges, and juries-- often go easy on people who thought they were acting to prevent violence. They take an enormously dim view of people who escalate the violence. The Paulians escalated the violence twice, once when they wrestled her to the ground, and again when they stomped on her.

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Kronocide Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:53:57pm

"Lauren made no secret of the fact that she was trying to get a picture with Rand Paul and her satirical sign at this event. If the candidate, or any of his supporters, felt threatened by a girl with a poster, once they had pulled her away from the car, the threat had passed. Nothing justifies the violence of her head being stomped on the curb once she was on the ground."

I don't think there's any excuse for even throwing her down. As for the legality of cordoning her off or not, that's really a police issue. I doubt that she was deemed a real security threat because she was identified as a MoveOn prankster early on trying to get a picture with Paul and frustrations got the better of a few of them (besides Stomper Tim).

While on a literal level Ms Valle could be should to have 'contributed to the situation' and cannot agree that she deserved even a throw down or manhandling.

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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:54:00pm

re: #119 Alouette

This Code Pink "activist" was not head stomped when she threatened Condi Rice. I do not recall that she was mishandled at all, but probably quickly frog-marched off the premises.

The secret service/Capitol police were there are are very professional and well trained.

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nonono Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:54:28pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout
If the car window was half down the driver and or security in the car should have not allowed that to be. They should have been in contact with the police to be sure it was safe to exit the car.
We have been to events before where the crowds were large you never know who is in and around large public events.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:55:08pm

re: #116 calochortus

I believe the stomper says he asked the police to stop her and they said that wasn't their job. The implication being they were there to prevent anyone being hurt, not annoyed.

That seems odd. Why would cops just say "aw, fuck it" when a potentially hostile person rushes at a candidate? Doesn't make sense.

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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:55:53pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

The car window appears to me to be about half down.

When the car comes to a complete stop, the window is all the way up, you can see reflections and shadows on it. But I can't tell whether it was like that the whole time.

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:56:02pm

re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth

Because they can see she's a small woman holding a sign?

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rwmofo Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:56:21pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

It doesn't appear the police were there. Once again this forces me to side with the wingnuts. I'm pretty sure it's standard security common sense to have police at the point where the candidate exits the car. It's when they are at their most vulnerable. She should have been cuffed at least temporarily after the first time she rushed the car and searched/questioned by police. Her repeated attempts and lack of police protection made this a very dangerous situation.
If police were on the scene there's actually a decent chance she could have been shot. You just can't behave like that around elected officials or candidates.

This 2nd video angle definitely generates questions. If anyone who I don't know runs toward me (twice apparently), I'm thinking about my personal safety first and foremost.

The shoe to the head wasn't necessary though - in my opinion.

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Stanghazi Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:56:35pm

If this girl wasn't associated with MoveOn, but was just a "regular" Kentuckian against Rand, no one would have a case.

It's pretty obvious to me.

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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:56:50pm

re: #124 nonono

If the car window was half down the driver and or security in the car should have not allowed that to be. They should have been in contact with the police to be sure it was safe to exit the car.
We have been to events before where the crowds were large you never know who is in and around large public events.

Watching the video again I think I do spot a few cops but they continue walking with Paul. They should have restrained her for Paul's safety aw well as her own. The cops were not doing their job.

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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:57:28pm

Off-topic...

Just got an email from a friend who opposes the "ground zero mosque" and sites an article + video from CBN (think, 700 klub news channel). Anyway, the video shows Muslims praying somewhere in Paris in the public. I'm not having success finding alternate news sources for this alleged event. I mean, the video clearly shows Muslims praying in public, presumably in Paris, but I know little else. Has anyone read about this?

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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:57:33pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

When the car comes to a complete stop, the window is all the way up, you can see reflections and shadows on it. But I can't tell whether it was like that the whole time.

I think he rolled up the window all the way after she tried and failed to throw her sign in the car.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:57:51pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

Sorry but some of the reportage yesterday said that supporters had informed authorities at the event about this woman and her sign.

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rwmofo Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:57:55pm

re: #119 Alouette

This Code Pink "activist" was not head stomped when she threatened Condi Rice. I do not recall that she was mishandled at all, but probably quickly frog-marched off the premises.

That was a MAJOR security breach. I sure hope the rules were changed.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:58:27pm

re: #121 Obdicut

What you have just said is categorically wrong.

No. I was simply using "Citizen's Arrest" as an example of how it is appropriate for citizens to act on something rather than just stand by and wait for the cops.

I was not saying that the activities in that video were an example of people exercising a "Citizen's Arrest". I could have just as easily went with a "local boy saves baby from burning building" as an example.

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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:58:51pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

The secret service/Capitol police were there are are very professional and well trained.

Even so, they were unable to prevent the Code Pink nut from getting within slapping distance of Condi.

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calochortus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:59:11pm

re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth

That seems odd. Why would cops just say "aw, fuck it" when a potentially hostile person rushes at a candidate? Doesn't make sense.

Perhaps the police didn't see her as a threat? Of course the stomper could just be lying about this:

“A friend of mine went up to three policeman before Rand got there, and told them about the girl who was standing there with that wig on and that she was getting ready to do something,” Profitt said. “The policemen looked at him and said that’s not our job.”

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:59:31pm

re: #127 Obdicut

Because they can see she's a small woman holding a sign?

Small women holding signs are incapable of carrying small, concealed weapons?

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 4:59:34pm

re: #135 Slumbering Behemoth

No. I was simply using "Citizen's Arrest" as an example of how it is appropriate for citizens to act on something rather than just stand by and wait for the cops.

I was not saying that the activities in that video were an example of people exercising a "Citizen's Arrest". I could have just as easily went with a "local boy saves baby from burning building" as an example.

No, you couldn't, because what we're talking about is the use of violence in reaction to a crime, or a perceived crime.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:00:01pm

re: #131 eclectic infidel

Off-topic...

Just got an email from a friend who opposes the "ground zero mosque" and sites an article + video from CBN (think, 700 klub news channel). Anyway, the video shows Muslims praying somewhere in Paris in the public. I'm not having success finding alternate news sources for this alleged event. I mean, the video clearly shows Muslims praying in public, presumably in Paris, but I know little else. Has anyone read about this?

Yes.

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Monkeyboy Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:01:09pm

I knew right away that this was some lefty cook that was trying to get a reaction. Any reaction.
The only part I don't agree with is the foot stomp.

I love being on the right side of something right from the get go..
It feels sooooo good. :)

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:01:11pm

re: #137 calochortus

I really don't care what Mr. Stomper has to say. What he did was completely unnecessary and repugnant.

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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:01:13pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

Yes.

Welcome back Walter, hope you enjoyed your trip.
And thanks for the detailed analysis.

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Monkeyboy Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:02:19pm

KOOK*

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:02:46pm

re: #138 Slumbering Behemoth

Small women holding signs are incapable of carrying small, concealed weapons?

Oh for fuck's sake. So is anyone in that crowd, including people standing very still and looking nonchalant.

Seriously, this level of paranoia is insane. She's obviously pulling a political stunt. Should she get blocked? Yes. Should she get hammered to the ground? No. Should she get stomped on? No.

The person who is going to shoot isn't going to try to shove a sign in through the window first. It was an obvious political stunt.

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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:02:46pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

Yes.

Cool. Can you provide or at least point me in a direction where I can find more information? Much appreciated.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:03:54pm

re: #139 Obdicut

I don't think you're reading through the series of comments properly. I was responding to "the only ones who should have 'restrained' her were the police".

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:04:09pm

re: #141 JustaDummy

Nobody ever doubted it was someone on the left, given that they were from MoveOn. Nobody ever doubted they were trying to cause a fuss.

So what were you right about, exactly?

And for the record, you agree with people pulling her down to the ground?

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goddamnedfrank Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:04:18pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

I think he rolled up the window all the way after she tried and failed to throw her sign in the car.

Is that really what you saw? What I saw was a crush of men grabbing her as she got too close for comfort, and the sign got pushed towards the window in the scuffle. Granted it wasn't very smart of her to be fucking around like that, but I caution against allegations that she intended to assault Paul when the situation was so fluid and ambiguous.

This does nothing to mitigate the fact that kicking a downed opponent in the head isn't even allowed in MMA style mutually agreed upon unarmed combat, let alone doing it to a restrained, prone woman.

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:04:26pm

re: #147 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't think you're reading through the series of comments properly. I was responding to "the only ones who should have 'restrained' her were the police".

Ah, apologies. I misread you. Very sorry.

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Monkeyboy Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:05:24pm

re: #148 Obdicut

That she was just out to agitate. To get a reaction.

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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:06:13pm

re: #151 JustaDummy

That she was just out to agitate. To get a reaction.

So she deserves to be stomped on?

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calochortus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:06:19pm

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

I really don't care what Mr. Stomper has to say. What he did was completely unnecessary and repugnant.

And I absolutely agree with you.

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:06:46pm

re: #151 JustaDummy

That she was just out to agitate. To get a reaction.

"just"? Yes, her point was to pull a political stunt. Again, everyone knew that. She stated as much. So what the hell do you think you were so 'right' about?

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:06:56pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

Not all that you assert is readily apparent in that video. Police may not have had a line of sight to her actions, which would seem to be the case as the guys were yelling "get the cops" or whatever.

Also, there is nothing wrong with citizens trying to restrain a potential assualter (is too a word :P), which is why we have things like "Citizen's Arrest".

Restrain fine. Stomp, not so good.

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Monkeyboy Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:06:56pm

As I have said before, there are nutjobs on BOTH sides that have to be reviegned in or renounced.

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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:07:38pm

re: #138 Slumbering Behemoth

Small women holding signs are incapable of carrying small, concealed weapons?

So what we should set up "free speech" zones so protesters who disagree with us can't get near us with their "concealed weapons"?

If I were trying to kill someone I'd try to make it look I was on their side first....

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Monkeyboy Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:07:46pm

The boss almost caught me that time :)

I've gotta go

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calochortus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:07:48pm

re: #146 eclectic infidel

They are, I believe, protesting the fact they don't have enough mosques to pray in. It may have to do with permitting for building them, but I am not sure.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:07:48pm

re: #145 Obdicut

Unstable people do unreasonable things. Not every potential shooter behaves in the same pattern. She clearly should not have been stomped on, that was over the line and I'm not even arguing that.

But I don't think simple restraint (which this wasn't, if you've read what I've actually typed) is out of the question when someone like that goes rushing at a politician.

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Stanghazi Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:07:56pm

Hi everyone! I come back to a dummy?

Puleeze.

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prairiefire Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:08:03pm

re: #156 JustaDummy

As I have said before, there are nutjobs on BOTH sides that have to be reviegned in or renounced.

Oh, just stop. Show me the tea party woman in a flag T shirt getting her head stomped.

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Varek Raith Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:08:06pm

re: #156 JustaDummy

Do stop with the equivalency act.
It's annoying and it makes it seem like you are covering for the TP Thugs.

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Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:08:10pm

re: #156 JustaDummy

As I have said before, there are nutjobs on BOTH sides that have to be reviegned in or renounced.

B,B,But other side does it to...

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:08:12pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

Restrain fine. Stomp, not so good.

Restrain not fine, actually. Restrain really easy to hurt someone when you don't know what you're doing. Restrain excusable, if the heat of the moment, but not fine.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:08:15pm

re: #113 prairiefire

Hey! Do you still have the chimes at class? When I read that post I thought, "Man, that is so Private School."

Sure we got chimes. It goes like this:

Ding!

(talk talk talk)

Ding!

(talk talk talk)

Ding! "Sixth grade! I need your attention!"

(talk talk talk)

Ding! "Sixth grade!"

This continues until I shout like a drill instructor.

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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:08:28pm

re: #141 JustaDummy

I knew right away that this was some lefty cook that was trying to get a reaction. Any reaction.
The only part I don't agree with is the foot stomp.

I love being on the right side of something right from the get go..
It feels sooo good. :)

How are you on the right side of this exactly?

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:08:42pm

re: #150 Obdicut

We cool? We're cool.

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rwmofo Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:08:48pm

MLB players must not be getting paid very well. The Giants pitcher apparently can't afford a haircut.

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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:09:02pm

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

....I caution against allegations that she intended to assault Paul when the situation was so fluid and ambiguous.

This does nothing to mitigate the fact that kicking a downed opponent in the head isn't even allowed in MMA style mutually agreed upon unarmed combat, let alone doing it to a restrained, prone woman.

I'm not saying she intended to harm him but she very easily could have. She could have had a weapon and at the time of the incident nobody knew if she was armed or not. That's why the police should have restrained, questioned and searched her after the first attempt. Allowing her to run around like a maniac is a danger to the candidate and her.

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Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:09:32pm

re: #169 rwmofo

MLB players must not be getting paid very well. The Giants pitcher apparently can't afford a haircut.

He's just a hippie.

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calochortus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:09:36pm

re: #169 rwmofo

MLB players must not be getting paid very well. The Giants pitcher apparently can't afford a haircut.

Don't be rude...

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:09:50pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

Restrain fine. Stomp, not so good.

Absolutely agreed.

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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:10:12pm

re: #151 JustaDummy

That she was just out to agitate. To get a reaction.

I don't think so. She was trying to pull a stunt but the police on the scene wouldn't have known what her intentions were. She should have been arrested the first time.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:10:28pm

WTF is going on here? If she was such a threat, then the police should have handled it. A bunch of unlicensed hoodlums do not get to chase her down, manhandle her and stomp her head.

If we don't manhandle the Fred Phelps losers, we don't manhandle her.

I am not going to watch a party of blame the victim or any justification of the actions of the Paulians.

Anyone justifying that should be ashamed.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:11:23pm

re: #146 eclectic infidel

Cool. Can you provide or at least point me in a direction where I can find more information? Much appreciated.

Try France 24... I don't have the direct links right now, was looking on France 24, there are a lot of articles on the recent crackdown's on Roma's and Muslim immigrants... you're going to have to dig through them...

But, if you want a "general" confirmation to what you read, I can tell you that there had been some demonstrations in the suburbs, and there were Muslims that took to gathering in the street and praying.

As far as I know, unless something happened over the last three days that I was out of town, none of these incidents have happen in Paris proper.

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:11:27pm

re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth

Unstable people do unreasonable things. Not every potential shooter behaves in the same pattern. She clearly should not have been stomped on, that was over the line and I'm not even arguing that.

But I don't think simple restraint (which this wasn't, if you've read what I've actually typed) is out of the question when someone like that goes rushing at a politician.

Putting someone on the ground is not 'simple restraint'.

Look, I used to be a bouncer. In a bar, where you're acting as the agent of the owner, on his own property, you are allowed to use absolute minimum restraint to move the person off the premises, if they haven't actually taken a violent action. You are not allowed to push them down to the ground. You're not allowed, actually, to restrain them at all-- except what is necessary to move them away.

Again: it may be excusable that they put her on the ground. It doesn't make it an okay action to take. It means that it can be excused in the heat of the moment-- but it's still wrong to do, just like tackling a shoplifter is wrong to do, if you're a passerby.

And I still don't see her 'rushing'. She's not a goddamn linebacker.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:11:27pm

re: #165 Obdicut

Restrain not fine, actually. Restrain really easy to hurt someone when you don't know what you're doing. Restrain excusable, if the heat of the moment, but not fine.

Damn straight. WTF is wrong with this thread?

I suppose free speech means very little these days.

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rwmofo Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:11:57pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure we got chimes. It goes like this:

Ding!

(talk talk talk)

Ding!

(talk talk talk)

Ding! "Sixth grade! I need your attention!"

(talk talk talk)

Ding! "Sixth grade!"

This continues until I shout like a drill instructor.

Can't you use a Super-Soaker instead?

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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:11:59pm

re: #175 LudwigVanQuixote

WTF is going on here? If she was such a threat, then the police should have handled it.

They should have but they didn't.

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nonono Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:12:07pm

re: #169 rwmofo

Here where we live in Rowlett Texas all the baseball fans are Ranger fans of course and they are all saying that guy puts shoe polish in his beard then uses it to mark the ball. People belive almost any thing these days.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:12:31pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

They should have but they didn't.

Maybe they didn't think she was a threat?

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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:12:49pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

They should have but they didn't.

////And we all know if the police refuse to step in that means it's open season for the common man!

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:13:22pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Putting someone on the ground is not 'simple restraint'.

*ahem*

re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth

But I don't think simple restraint (which this wasn't, if you've read what I've actually typed) is out of the question when someone like that goes rushing at a politician.

Wasn't

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:13:27pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Putting someone on the ground is not 'simple restraint'.

Look, I used to be a bouncer. In a bar, where you're acting as the agent of the owner, on his own property, you are allowed to use absolute minimum restraint to move the person off the premises, if they haven't actually taken a violent action. You are not allowed to push them down to the ground. You're not allowed, actually, to restrain them at all-- except what is necessary to move them away.

Again: it may be excusable that they put her on the ground. It doesn't make it an okay action to take. It means that it can be excused in the heat of the moment-- but it's still wrong to do, just like tackling a shoplifter is wrong to do, if you're a passerby.

And I still don't see her 'rushing'. She's not a goddamn linebacker.

Yeah WTF. She's a 100 lb girl.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:13:33pm

re: #183 jamesfirecat

street justice donchaknow.

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darthstar Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:14:22pm

Listening to NPR this morning, and a Hispanic woman called in to ask Meg Whitman's spokesman about her policy on education for undocumented people...he gave some horseshit answer about undocumented workers coming here to gain knowledge then going back to their home countries...I'm surprised he didn't complain about illegal aliens stealing federally funded public radio time.

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BishopX Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:14:25pm

Going back to freetoken's OT post about liberal genetics, there was an older article in the Scientific American linking fear response to political attitudes. Namely people who expressed conservative American political views had a stronger fear reaction when startled.

It sounds like everyone here is agreeing that the goons went to far. The bigger question is what led them to do that.

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calochortus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:14:28pm

re: #180 Killgore Trout

They should have but they didn't.

Which, as I said, indicates she may not have been considered a threat by the actual professional security people.

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Gus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:14:51pm

Arrest her for what? Show me intent. Otherwise she was just trying to show Rand Paul the sign and probably rattle of some comments. She did not try to throw that sign in the vehicle. She was brushed aside by the man in the woolen jacket and then he stepped away.

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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:14:51pm

re: #182 LudwigVanQuixote

Maybe they didn't think she was a threat?

It's pretty obvious from the new video that she was a potential threat and she wasn't going to stop on her own. It's pretty clear she was going to continue until forcibly stopped.

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:14:59pm

re: #184 Slumbering Behemoth

I just can't read tonight, man. I'm sorry. Just angry.

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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:15:33pm

We'll continue this upstairs.....

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:15:39pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

Everyone is a 'potential threat'. This is a nutso level of prior restraint.

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Gus Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:15:49pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

It's pretty obvious from the new video that she was a potential threat and she wasn't going to stop on her own. It's pretty clear she was going to continue until forcibly stopped.

What kind of threat? Was Rand Paul under threat to be decapitated by the cardboard sign?

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rwmofo Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:16:27pm

re: #181 nonono

Here where we live in Rowlett Texas all the baseball fans are Ranger fans of course and they are all saying that guy puts shoe polish in his beard then uses it to mark the ball. People belive almost any thing these days.

Rowlett? We're, like, neighbors dude. I'm pulling for Josh Hamilton.

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:17:00pm

re: #146 eclectic infidel

Cool. Can you provide or at least point me in a direction where I can find more information? Much appreciated.

"Police said the party, called "Sausage and Booze," could have been viewed as a provocation in the Goutte-d'Or neighborhood of northern Paris, where many Muslims pray on the streets because there are not enough mosques. Alcohol and pork are forbidden by Islam and the party had been slated for just after Friday's main Muslim weekly prayers."

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:17:11pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

Thanks.

So there is truth to the CBN broadcast afterall. Interesting.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:17:22pm

re: #192 Obdicut

I know, which is why I'm not shooting back at you with insults and invective. We're cool. You're not the only one who misreads things from time to time. We all do it.

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prairiefire Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:17:27pm

Those Kentucky good old boys did not no what to do with a wily, young liberal. Probably not too many raves happening there.

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Stanghazi Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:17:40pm

re: #175 LudwigVanQuixote

WTF is going on here? If she was such a threat, then the police should have handled it. A bunch of unlicensed hoodlums do not get to chase her down, manhandle her and stomp her head.

If we don't manhandle the Fred Phelps losers, we don't manhandle her.

I am not going to watch a party of blame the victim or any justification of the actions of the Paulians.

Anyone justifying that should be ashamed.

AGAIN

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:18:13pm

re: #198 eclectic infidel

Thanks.

So there is truth to the CBN broadcast afterall. Interesting.

See my link at... re: #197 Walter L. Newton

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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:19:02pm

re: #197 Walter L. Newton

"Police said the party, called "Sausage and Booze," could have been viewed as a provocation in the Goutte-d'Or neighborhood of northern Paris, where many Muslims pray on the streets because there are not enough mosques. Alcohol and pork are forbidden by Islam and the party had been slated for just after Friday's main Muslim weekly prayers."

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Yes. Now I see the tie in with Friday prayers and the pork parties.

I can understand the resentment coming from non-Muslim French citizens if the streets are blocked and access to their homes is restricted due to religious ceremony.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:19:45pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout

We'll continue this upstairs...

I think I'll pass. You're a braver man than I, get ready for a verbal shitstorm rivaling the "Expelled: Exposed" days.

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Obdicut Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:20:08pm

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

I know, which is why I'm not shooting back at you with insults and invective. We're cool. You're not the only one who misreads things from time to time. We all do it.

Apologies again.

To make it up to you: My boxing nickname was "Princess". Use as you will.

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prairiefire Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:21:52pm

re: #205 Obdicut

Apologies again.

To make it up to you: My boxing nickname was "Princess". Use as you will.

You are too pretty to be a boxer.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Oct 27, 2010 5:22:39pm

re: #205 Obdicut

Ha ha ha! It's all good, dude. You're one of the nicer people to engage with around here. Thanks for giving my comment a closer read.

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DemonFish Thu, Oct 28, 2010 4:29:37am

Thanks for posting Charles. Hadn't heard this one before. Still kicking myself for not going to see him last time he was in Europe, although not as much as I regret not going to see Esbjorn Svensson Trio when I had the chance. Carpe diem and all that (cos you never know when a jazz pianist is going to drown!)

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