Andy McKee: Everybody Wants to Rule the World
Tears for Fears unplugged
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Today’s insanity break is another great track from Andy McKee’s most recent recording, Joyland.
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683 comments
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albusteve Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:10:52pm |
truly amazing talent…extremely satisfying to watch him play
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:17:29pm |
re: #1 albusteve
truly amazing talent…extremely satisfying to watch him play
How’s life? Are you still on the mend?
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:19:08pm |
Tears for Fears was one of my favs.
Andy is quickly becoming one of my favs.
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albusteve Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:21:30pm |
re: #2 Killgore Trout
How’s life? Are you still on the mend?
yes, still mending…it’s very slow, but I’m cleaned up from all the opiates I took over the past 10 months….that was a bitch
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Tarkloon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:22:27pm |
I can’t stand this indecision married with a lack of vision…. everybody… wants to mow the lawn.
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researchok Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:22:47pm |
There are a whole lot of people who are thankful McKee didn’t go with the tuba.
When anyone stands out from the crowd, you know it. McKee is the real deal. What a gift!
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:24:25pm |
You know how there are songs that, once they start playing, you immediately think of a movie you heard them in? Every time I hear this song, I immediately think of Real Genius.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:26:04pm |
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albusteve Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:26:09pm |
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albusteve Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:27:25pm |
re: #8 brookly red
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
have at it.
lock em all up…stick em in a FEMA camp and start over
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:30:13pm |
re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
You know how there are songs that, once they start playing, you immediately think of a movie you heard them in? Every time I hear this song, I immediately think of Real Genius.
I love that film
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Four More Tears Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:31:08pm |
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:32:02pm |
re: #8 brookly red
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
have at it.
Do they compromise? No. Do they negotiate? Frak that. So what do they do? Call out the brownshirts to enforce their rule.
“Big government’s” not so bad to the GOP, so long as it’s government they endorse.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:32:12pm |
re: #14 JasonA
Ice the Bounty Hunter. And professional caterer.
yeah, ICE is serving up quite a buffet these days
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:33:09pm |
re: #8 brookly red
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
have at it.
Freedom? Liberty?
Fuck freedom. Screw liberty.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:34:10pm |
re: #15 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Do they compromise? No. Do they negotiate? Frak that. So what do they do? Call out the brownshirts to enforce their rule.
“Big government’s” not so bad to the GOP, so long as it’s government they endorse.
Oh come on, how do you compromise or negotiate with some one who is not there?
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:35:17pm |
re: #18 brookly red
Oh come on, how do you compromise or negotiate with some one who is not there?
Besides, Walmart had a sale on brown shirts.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:36:22pm |
re: #8 brookly red
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
have at it.
All I can think of is imaging what it would be like if Democrats ordered that Republican politicians be rounded up. I know what Fox News would make of it and it would probably result in terrorist attacks from freaked out wingnuts.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:36:27pm |
re: #18 brookly red
Oh come on, how do you compromise or negotiate with some one who is not there?
Cell phone.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:36:40pm |
re: #18 brookly red
Oh come on, how do you compromise or negotiate with some one who is not there?
Simple, you do it behind Walker’s back.
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:36:44pm |
@StopBeck
Recap: @glennbeck attacks Fraternal Order of Police, suggests they’re “useful idiots” standing w/”cop-killer” sympathizers
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:37:07pm |
re: #19 b_sharp
Besides, Walmart had a sale on brown shirts.
btw as the child of Nazi survivors I find the brown shirt reference some what offensive
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:37:24pm |
Beck: Wisconsin Police Stand With Van Jones?
Former White House green jobs ‘czar’ being given credibility by the Fraternal Order of Police
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:38:55pm |
RESPONSE OF CHUCK CANTERBURY, NATIONAL PRESIDENT, FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE TO STATEMENTS MADE BY GLENN BECK ON HIS RADIO PROGRAM ON 3 MARCH 2011
We know that Mr. Glenn Beck considers himself to be a friend to law enforcement, but he needs to get the facts before he acts–just as a police officer would.
The National Fraternal Order of Police had no role in organizing and is not participating in any of the demonstrations taking place in Madison, Wisconsin. That said, we strongly and unconditionally support the right of public employees to bargain collectively. For rank-and-file law enforcement officers, the ability to sit down with the employers and discuss workplace issues–from officer safety to wages and hours–is critical if the officers are going to be able to complete their mission. We would not deny any public employee the same rights and thus we sympathize with those who find their rights threatened–especially public employees who do so much for so many at every level of government. In any State where the rights of public employees are threatened, we are concerned about the rights of the rank-and-file law enforcement officer…
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:42:30pm |
Huckabee Attacks Natalie Portman For Glamorizing “Out Of Wedlock Births”
March 03, 2011 5:41 pm ET by Eric Hananoki
In a radio appearance on Monday, Mike Huckabee attacked actress Natalie Portman for having a child “out of wedlock.” Huckabee said that it’s “troubling” to see people like “Natalie Portman or some other Hollywood starlet who boasts of, ‘Hey look, you know, we’re having children, we’re not married, but we’re having these children, and they’re doing just fine.’” Huckabee added that “it’s unfortunate that we glorify and glamorize the idea of out of children wedlock.”
Huckabee’s remarks came in response to radio host Michael Medved, who discussed Portman’s Academy Awards speech last Sunday. During her speech, Portman thanked fiancé Benjamin Millepied, “who choreographed the film, and has now given me my most important role of my life.” Medved said that Millepied “didn’t give her the most wonderful gift, which would be a wedding ring! And it just seems to me that sending that kind of message is problematic.”
From the February 28 edition of Salem Radio’s The Michael Medved Show…
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:43:10pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
All I can think of is imaging what it would be like if Democrats ordered that Republican politicians be rounded up. I know what Fox News would make of it and it would probably result in terrorist attacks from freaked out wingnuts.
That, yeah, definitely that.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:45:59pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
All I can think of is imaging what it would be like if Democrats ordered that Republican politicians be rounded up. I know what Fox News would make of it and it would probably result in terrorist attacks from freaked out wingnuts.
yeah well you have been saying that for a while now & where are the attacks?
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albusteve Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:47:34pm |
re: #28 Gus 802
Huckabee Attacks Natalie Portman For Glamorizing “Out Of Wedlock Births”
March 03, 2011 5:41 pm ET by Eric Hananoki
Huck needs to shut his piehole and mind his own business….he’s a judgmental, self righteous hick
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:47:36pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:47:47pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
All I can think of is imaging what it would be like if Democrats ordered that Republican politicians be rounded up. I know what Fox News would make of it and it would probably result in terrorist attacks from freaked out wingnuts.
Actually, I thought they were at risk of apprehension all along, by the the WI equivalent of the Sergeant-at-Arms. I was part of the drill in Texas redistricting. Some of the Dems are salivating at the thought of video footage of themselves in Walker’s handcuffs.
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wrenchwench Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:48:29pm |
Wasn’t “New Comments” uncapitalized last week?
/or am I losing it…?
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:48:50pm |
re: #25 brookly red
btw as the child of Nazi survivors I find the brown shirt reference some what offensive
My apologies to your parents. Unfortunately, there are few images with as much emotional impact that can be used to express disgust. I had no intent to minimize the true horror your parents and others went through.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:50:31pm |
re: #28 Gus 802
Huckabee Attacks Natalie Portman For Glamorizing “Out Of Wedlock Births”
March 03, 2011 5:41 pm ET by Eric Hananoki
Huh.
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:50:52pm |
re: #31 albusteve
Huck needs to shut his piehole and mind his own business…he’s a judgmental, self righteous hick
re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist
People who attack cops irritate the shit out of me.
Sort of shows how Glenn Beck will stop at nothing to advance his bizzaro agenda and feed his brainless flock. What’s he going to do start his own utopia? Hey, I suggest all of those people that listen to Beck and also have one of those FOP stickers in the back of their car stop speeding.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:51:35pm |
re: #36 b_sharp
My apologies to your parents. Unfortunately, there are few images with as much emotional impact that can be used to express disgust. I had no intent to minimize the true horror your parents and others went through.
no real offense taken but I will not stand for the use of Nazi suggestions used in vain.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:51:56pm |
re: #30 brookly red
yeah well you have been saying that for a while now & where are the attacks?
There have been a number of “isolated” incidents.
including (from a brief search of our own site)
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:52:42pm |
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zora Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:53:08pm |
re: #28 Gus 802
Huckabee Attacks Natalie Portman For Glamorizing “Out Of Wedlock Births”
March 03, 2011 5:41 pm ET by Eric Hananoki
so what about bristol?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:53:19pm |
re: #40 wozzablog
There have been a number of “isolated” incidents.
including (from a brief search of our own site)
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
the wingnits are gonna get you! yeah right…
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:53:23pm |
re: #28 Gus 802
Huckabee Attacks Natalie Portman For Glamorizing “Out Of Wedlock Births”
March 03, 2011 5:41 pm ET by Eric Hananoki
Yeah because it worked so well when Dan Quayle went after Murphy Brown
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palomino Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:53:25pm |
I’ll admit it—I like Tears for Fears…especially their early stuff. Great rendition here.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:53:38pm |
re: #41 Gus 802
He’s another one.
Someone put him back in his cage please.
Arrest whomever let him out.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:53:52pm |
re: #30 brookly red
yeah well you have been saying that for a while now & where are the attacks?
or
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Four More Tears Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:54:09pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:54:29pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:54:45pm |
re: #42 Decatur Deb
Not aberrant for a Southern Baptist ex-preacher.
True. But I’m mad at him, so I’m recalling that he got through Bristol Palin’s whole DWTS sojourn without making any remarks.
Natalie Portman is a grown woman with her own income. I fail to see what business this is of Huck’s.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:55:27pm |
re: #49 wozzablog
or
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
/well it is not like they bombed the capitol or something…
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:55:50pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:56:08pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
True. But I’m mad at him, so I’m recalling that he got through Bristol Palin’s whole DWTS sojourn without making any remarks.
Natalie Portman is a grown woman with her own income. I fail to see what business this is of Huck’s.
You would have loved a 1950s nun’s take on Elizabeth Taylor.
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Four More Tears Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:56:46pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
True. But I’m mad at him, so I’m recalling that he got through Bristol Palin’s whole DWTS sojourn without making any remarks.
Yeah, but he wasn’t not running for President then.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:56:57pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
True. But I’m mad at him, so I’m recalling that he got through Bristol Palin’s whole DWTS sojourn without making any remarks.
Natalie Portman is a grown woman with her own income. I fail to see what business this is of Huck’s.
30 second sound bites in preparation for election fever. He’s plumbing the murky depths of the 21st century raging radical right.
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:57:16pm |
Let that be a lesson to all of you Hollywood liberal single moms out there! If you don’t want nosy Republicans probing into your life choices make sure your either a registered Republican or be just like Bristol Palin.
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:57:24pm |
re: #56 Decatur Deb
You would have loved a 1950s nun’s take on Elizabeth Taylor.
If this nun wasn’t running for office, I’d probably be OK with that.
;)
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palomino Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:57:49pm |
re: #45 Dreggas
Yeah because it worked so well when Dan Quayle went after Murphy Brown
He sounds like Phyllis Schlafly. Like someone who’s unaware of the last 40 years of US history. Hey Huck, I lived together “in sin” with my wife for 2 years before we got married. Does that make me unAmerican? Am I gonna go to hell?
I remember when Christopher Reeve and girlfriend had a kid out of wedlock in the mid 70s. It was barely a big deal back then. Now it’s the kind of thing that only a religious reactionary would get worked up about.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:58:04pm |
re: #54 brookly red
/well it is not like they bombed the capitol or something…
Way to stay topical dood.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:58:30pm |
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 4:59:07pm |
re: #55 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
“Who are you? What are you? Who moved the rock?!”
Gomez.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:00:13pm |
re: #63 brookly red
did it hurt much?
No, but i put my back out reaching for the telephone -
It was the 1980’s, they want their talking point back.
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zora Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:00:25pm |
re: #57 JasonA
you see bristol chose life and natalie portman chose… well she is just too happy being with child, out of wedlock. why is she walking around all smiley and beautiful?
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:00:40pm |
re: #61 palomino
He sounds like Phyllis Schlafly. Like someone who’s unaware of the last 40 years of US history. Hey Huck, I lived together “in sin” with my wife for 2 years before we got married. Does that make me unAmerican? Am I gonna go to hell?
I remember when Christopher Reeve and girlfriend had a kid out of wedlock in the mid 70s. It was barely a big deal back then. Now it’s the kind of thing that only a religious reactionary would get worked up about.
Inevitably most Republicans end up sounding like the proverbial “church lady”.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:01:05pm |
re: #30 brookly red
yeah well you have been saying that for a while now & where are the attacks?
Luckily so far it’s been lone gunmen like the Glenn Beck fan who got in a shootout with police on his way to attack the tides foundation. Luckily we haven’t seen another Oklahoma City attack but it’s certainly possible.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:01:11pm |
re: #67 Gus 802
Inevitably most Republicans end up sounding like the proverbial “church lady”.
Could it be…SATAN?!
/
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:01:58pm |
re: #65 wozzablog
No, but i put my back out reaching for the telephone -
It was the 1980’s, they want their talking point back.
sorry about you back, but there is no statute of limitations on crimes like that.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:02:21pm |
Who played Quayle on SNL anyhow? I always thought Dana Carvey’s George H.W Bush was one of the best and even old H.W himself enjoyed it.
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:03:03pm |
So they want women to carry a baby even if they were RAPED and at the same time they don’t want them to be single mothers. So they want the women to not get an abortion after being raped and get married.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:04:52pm |
re: #72 Gus 802
So they want women to carry a baby even if they were RAPED and at the same time they don’t want them to be single mothers. So they want the women to not get an abortion after being raped and get married.
So rapists will get married instead of going to jail?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:04:55pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
Luckily so far it’s been lone gunmen like the Glenn Beck fan who got in a shootout with police on his way to attack the tides foundation. Luckily we haven’t seen another Oklahoma City attack but it’s certainly possible.
oh freakin gawd, I can’t even respond to that with out laughing
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:04:57pm |
re: #70 brookly red
sorry about you back, but there is no statute of limitations on crimes like that.
And they were brought to justice………………..
But that’s more important than what’s happening now?.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:05:21pm |
re: #28 Gus 802
Huckabee Attacks Natalie Portman For Glamorizing “Out Of Wedlock Births”
March 03, 2011 5:41 pm ET by Eric Hananoki
Natalie Portman = bad, because she’s an actress having a baby with her fiance.
Britsol Palin = good, because her choice to have a baby as a teenager shows “respect for life”.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:05:45pm |
re: #76 wozzablog
And they were brought to justice…
But that’s more important than what’s happening now?.
what is happening now?
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wrenchwench Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:06:05pm |
re: #74 b_sharp
So rapists will get married instead of going to jail?
What if the rapist is already married?
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:06:52pm |
re: #72 Gus 802
So they want women to carry a baby even if they were RAPED and at the same time they don’t want them to be single mothers. So they want the women to not get an abortion after being raped and get married.
AND she can’t have any access to birth control or family planning services or anything that would give her the ability to control her own body. She’s just an incubator that’s supposed to accept having no control over her fertility, don’tcha know.
/wingnut
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:07:35pm |
re: #79 wrenchwench
What if the rapist is already married?
his wife kills him & they split the insurance?
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:07:54pm |
Wingnut Checklist for Women:
1. If you get raped you can’t have an abortion.
2. If you’re likely to die without an abortion you still can’t have an abortion.
3. Do not under any circumstance become a single mom.
4. If you get raped you must get married soon after being raped to avoid number 3…
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blueraven Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:08:00pm |
re: #75 brookly red
oh freakin gawd, I can’t even respond to that with out laughing
So its OK fro you to bring up something from the 60s but it is ridiculous to talk about an attack from the 90s. OK that makes sense./
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:09:11pm |
re: #78 brookly red
what is happening now?
Circular logic. Apparently.
And - well, people from the right calling for folks to be shot in the head, for live ammo to be used on protesters and the supreme court to be repudiated with mass bloodshed.
Bomb plots & threats of assassination, “we came unarmed, this time”.
It’s morning in America.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:09:14pm |
re: #77 Lidane
Natalie Portman = bad, because she’s an actress having a baby with her fiance.
Britsol Palin = good, because her choice to have a baby as a teenager shows “respect for life”.
Actress == Liberal
Liberal == Wrong
Wrong != Right
Palin == Right
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:09:28pm |
Huckabee is such a dick. The guy really needs to take a look at himself before he judges other people especially after his recent actions.
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:09:53pm |
re: #82 Gus 802
Wingnut Checklist for Women:
1. If you get raped you can’t have an abortion.
2. If you’re likely to die without an abortion you still can’t have an abortion.
3. Do not under any circumstance become a single mom.
4. If you get raped you must get married soon after being raped to avoid number 3…
5. Only heterosexual marriages count towards #3.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:10:10pm |
re: #79 wrenchwench
What if the rapist is already married?
Looks like polygyny needs to become legal.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:10:19pm |
re: #80 Lidane
AND she can’t have any access to birth control or family planning services or anything that would give her the ability to control her own body. She’s just an incubator that’s supposed to accept having no control over her fertility, don’tcha know.
/wingnut
An incubator is right.
The idea is that they will put the baby up for adoption and some good Christian couple who are unable to conceive will come and adopt the baby…because with all the abortions going on there just are not enough healthy babies to go around.
(yeah…the Handmaiden’s Tale is supposed to be fiction.)
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:10:24pm |
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:10:54pm |
So does Huckabee think women should now go looking for a husband? I thought that was against “the rules”.
//
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:11:15pm |
re: #84 wozzablog
Circular logic. Apparently.
And - well, people from the right calling for folks to be shot in the head, for live ammo to be used on protesters and the supreme court to be repudiated with mass bloodshed.
Bomb plots & threats of assassination, “we came unarmed, this time”.It’s morning in America.
yeah great fantasy you live in.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:12:36pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
So does Huckabee think women should now go looking for a husband? I thought that was against “the rules”.
//
Why go looking for a husband when one has already raped found you and given you the gift of another life?
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:13:19pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
So does Huckabee think women should now go looking for a husband? I thought that was against “the rules”.
//
No, it means women should go back to the way they were. You know, raised from birth to spend rest of their lives as housewives. I mean, think how much money will be saved by families not needing to save to send their daughters to college? Or jobs created by taking all those women out of the workforce? Truly, the 1950s are here to stay!
/
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:13:20pm |
re: #93 brookly red
yeah great fantasy you live in.
I take it you don’t read anything Charles writes…..?, as i’m fairly sure you’ve commented on most of the threads about those topics.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:13:30pm |
Honestly, I don’t see Natalie’s actions as being any different from Bristol Palin except unlike Bristol, Natalie’s engaged and more older. She’s excited that she’s going to be a mother. You would think that someone like Huckabee who claims to champion life would understand that but no he has to be a douchebag.
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:13:36pm |
re: #94 Lidane
Why go looking for a husband when one has already
rapedfound you and given you the gift of another life?
At the rate they’re going… that’ll be next. Women that have been raped will be forced to marry their rapist.
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:13:40pm |
re: #45 Dreggas
Yeah because it worked so well when Dan Quayle went after Murphy Brown
Huckabee is going full DERP for the primaries.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:13:41pm |
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:14:13pm |
re: #94 Lidane
Why go looking for a husband when one has already
rapedfound you and given you the gift of another life?
Women should become 3rd class citizens.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:15:55pm |
re: #97 HappyWarrior
Honestly, I don’t see Natalie’s actions as being any different from Bristol Palin except unlike Bristol, Natalie’s engaged and more older. She’s excited that she’s going to be a mother. You would think that someone like Huckabee who claims to champion life would understand that but no he has to be a douchebag.
She’s beautiful, brilliant, happily pregnant, getting married to the father, and even called becoming a mother the most important role in her life during her Oscar acceptance speech. What more does the guy want?
Oh, wait. I forgot. She’s part of Hollywood. Never mind. =P
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:16:12pm |
re: #101 b_sharp
Women should become 3rd class citizens.
Hell, why stop there? Do away with the miniskirts and bring on the burqas!
/
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:16:26pm |
re: #95 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No, it means women should go back to the way they were. You know, raised from birth to spend rest of their lives as housewives. I mean, think how much money will be saved by families not needing to save to send their daughters to college? Or jobs created by taking all those women out of the workforce? Truly, the 1950s are here to stay!
/
we should never have let the hippies invent working women, homosexuals, and sex out of wedlock back in the 60s
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:17:54pm |
re: #96 wozzablog
I take it you don’t read anything Charles writes…?, as i’m fairly sure you’ve commented on most of the threads about those topics.
re: #96 wozzablog
I take it you don’t read anything Charles writes…?, as i’m fairly sure you’ve commented on most of the threads about those topics.
so when Hintz told Litjens “your dead” that was OK?
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:18:04pm |
re: #97 HappyWarrior
Honestly, I don’t see Natalie’s actions as being any different from Bristol Palin except unlike Bristol, Natalie’s engaged and more older. She’s excited that she’s going to be a mother. You would think that someone like Huckabee who claims to champion life would understand that but no he has to be a douchebag.
Huck isn’t thinking of what is right or wrong, or likely what his personal values actually are, he’s focused on being what he thinks the modern Republican/Tea Partier wants.
The cognitive dissonance coming from him is deafening.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:19:39pm |
re: #102 Lidane
She’s beautiful, brilliant, happily pregnant, getting married to the father, and even called becoming a mother the most important role in her life during her Oscar acceptance speech. What more does the guy want?
Oh, wait. I forgot. She’s part of Hollywood. Never mind. =P
Yep. And quite frankly if it had been a prominent Democrat who had a pregnant unwed teenage daughter, you know they would have made it a huge issue. I have no doubt at all. And frankly, I loved the way Obama handled the issue. When he was asked about it, he pointed out that he himself was the child of a teen mother. I think his parents were married when he was born but his mother was give or take a year or so a year older than Bristol.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:19:52pm |
re: #95 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No, it means women should go back to the way they were. You know, raised from birth to spend rest of their lives as housewives. I mean, think how much money will be saved by families not needing to save to send their daughters to college? Or jobs created by taking all those women out of the workforce? Truly, the 1950s are here to stay!
/
No, the bosses will not let us fall back into the 1950s. They have become addicted to the suppressed wages they achieved when both parents were forced into the workplace.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:20:30pm |
re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hell, why stop there? Do away with the miniskirts and bring on the burqas!
/
The wingnuts and religious fanatics here are already close to calling for burqas, given how little they value women.
It’s a woman’s fault if she gets raped. It’s her fault if she gets pregnant, but she can’t avoid pregnancy through birth control or family planning. If she has a miscarriage, put the murdering bitch to death. Women who work, or have an opinion, or who don’t follow the Duggar example of spitting out a new kid every year are evil as far as these assholes are concerned.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:21:27pm |
re: #75 brookly red
oh freakin gawd, I can’t even respond to that with out laughing
I’m glad you find threats to public safety so funny. Thankfully the DHS takes this stuff seriously.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:22:25pm |
re: #111 Killgore Trout
I’m glad you find threats to public safety so funny. Thankfully the DHS takes this stuff seriously.
[Link: www.wbay.com…]
when they choose to
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Targetpractice Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:22:46pm |
re: #110 Lidane
The wingnuts and religious fanatics here are already close to calling for burqas, given how little they value women.
It’s a woman’s fault if she gets raped. It’s her fault if she gets pregnant, but she can’t avoid pregnancy through birth control or family planning. If she has a miscarriage, put the murdering bitch to death. Women who work, or have an opinion, or who don’t follow the Duggar example of spitting out a new kid every year are evil as far as these assholes are concerned.
I went to bed in the United States, circa 2011, and seemingly woke up in Afghanistan, circa 2001. How the frak did that happen?!
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blueraven Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:24:07pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:24:35pm |
Now I know the Rebellion in Cheeseheadistan is real - We’re in Wiki!!!
2011 Wisconsin protests
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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wrenchwench Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:24:38pm |
re: #110 Lidane
The wingnuts and religious fanatics here are already close to calling for burqas, given how little they value women.
It’s a woman’s fault if she gets raped. It’s her fault if she gets pregnant, but she can’t avoid pregnancy through birth control or family planning. If she has a miscarriage, put the murdering bitch to death. Women who work, or have an opinion, or who don’t follow the Duggar example of spitting out a new kid every year are evil as far as these assholes are concerned.
I was thinking about the Duggars last night. Mrs. Duggar would be dead if it weren’t for modern medicine. The same modern medicine makes it possible to have fewer than 17 kids, while maintaining the marital relationship. It’s really stupid [IMHO] to pick and choose among the benefits of modern medicine that way.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:25:33pm |
re: #105 brookly red
re: #96 wozzablog
so when Hintz told Litjens “your dead” that was OK?
An we are deflecting, because?
I’m living in a fantasy world because i bring up topics Charles has covered?.
(interesting side note - i do not believe it’s ok to say “your dead” to anyone, that’s front page news)
What i believe isn’t in question here - there is documented proof of everything i mention - and it’s covered in the pages here. Have you been diagnosed as being an Ostrich by a specialist?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:27:22pm |
re: #115 wlewisiii
Now I know the Rebellion in Cheeseheadistan is real - We’re in Wiki!!!
2011 Wisconsin protests
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Hell, you’ve even got a “Wisconsin 14”. It’s not a real revolution if you don’t have numbered miscreants. Kids…
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:28:00pm |
re: #117 wozzablog
An we are deflecting, because?
I’m living in a fantasy world because i bring up topics Charles has covered?.
(interesting side note - i do not believe it’s ok to say “your dead” to anyone, that’s front page news)
What i believe isn’t in question here - there is documented proof of everything i mention - and it’s covered in the pages here. Have you been diagnosed as being an Ostrich by a specialist?
If you had a pair you would not hide behind Charles, he is quite capable of defending himself with out your help.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:28:07pm |
“Strange Fruit Burns Fat”
Study: Burns 12.3 Pounds of Fat Every 28 Days. Can It Work for You?
www.Post-Sentinel.com
dept of unintentional billie holiday
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:29:41pm |
Crazy Pam on the DC anti-sharia protest….
As predicted, the “anti-sharia” rally was nothing more than a freak show, and reflects poorly on the good and righteous souls fighting a very real enemy here in America.TPMMuckracker was there with this report. The video is awful. It’s as if these people are trying to sabatoge our cause. Very bad. This is what not to do, and not what we do. Of course the enemedia will insinuate that Robert Spencer and I are part of this. We are not. We had nothing to do with it, and I counseled readers and friends not to attend.
As for the lone Muslim who decided to get into middle of it and pray, well, that seems somewhat provocative. But in the video, he appears noble, courageous, pious, harmless and righteous. And the “anti-sharia” agitators appear menacing, boorish and hostile. Very badly done. This is not SIOA or AFDI. In every demonstration we are in involved in, our people are focused on defending good, American values and conduct themselves with dignity and respect (infiltrators and plants not included).
She makes no mention of the ugly display in California that she was responsible for.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:29:48pm |
re: #119 brookly red
If you had a pair you would not hide behind Charles, he is quite capable of defending himself with out your help.
Go eat.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:30:11pm |
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:30:29pm |
re: #119 brookly red
If you had a pair you would not hide behind Charles, he is quite capable of defending himself with out your help.
and on that note I am off to get food… sorry Charles if you took any offense, but something tells me you are OK with it.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:31:24pm |
I hate to break up the insanity break, and I don’t know if this has already been posted, but……
Utah Considers Return to Gold, Silver Coins
The Utah House was to vote as early as Thursday on legislation that would recognize gold and silver coins issued by the federal government as legal currency in the state. (AP)
It’s been nearly 80 years since the U.S. stopped using gold coins as legal currency, and nearly 40 since the world abandoned the gold standard, but the precious metal could be making a comeback in the United States — beginning in Utah.
The Utah House was to vote as early as Thursday on legislation that would recognize gold and silver coins issued by the federal government as legal currency in the state. The coins would not replace the current paper currency but would be used and accepted voluntarily as an alternative.
Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com…]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:31:35pm |
re: #28 Gus 802
Natalie Portman: “Mike Huckabee? He’s still around?”
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:31:43pm |
[Link: blogs.ajc.com…]
OT but this was an interesting find. Yeah Tea Partiers really “value” small government all right. They just don’t want the government involved where it doesn’t benefit them. Knew this from the start.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:32:23pm |
re: #128 HappyWarrior
[Link: blogs.ajc.com…]
OT but this was an interesting find. Yeah Tea Partiers really “value” small government all right. They just don’t want the government involved where it doesn’t benefit them. Knew this from the start.
err not involved. Sorry been a long day.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:32:36pm |
re: #119 brookly red
If you had a pair you would not hide behind Charles, he is quite capable of defending himself with out your help.
Not so much hiding behind - as asking if you have read anything in the main articles here surrounding what i mentioned……..vis-a-vis…….supremecourt, bloodshed, bomb plots…..etc.?
And why I am living in a fantasy land when it’s all being covered on a blog you freaking read.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:33:10pm |
re: #130 wozzablog
Not so much hiding behind - as asking if you have read anything in the main articles here surrounding what i mentioned…vis-a-vis…supremecourt, bloodshed, bomb plots…etc.?
And why I am living in a fantasy land when it’s all being covered on a blog you freaking read.
At some point you just have to come to the conclusion that he’s not very bright :D
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:35:31pm |
re: #131 WindUpBird
At some point you just have to come to the conclusion that he’s not very bright :D
I don’t come to that conclusion.
Denial, possibly. Intentional deflection - but not stupidity.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:36:39pm |
re: #30 brookly red
yeah well you have been saying that for a while now & where are the attacks?
This Saturday, three police officers were gunned down while responding to a domestic dispute. The shooter was later identified as Richard Poplawski. Richard Poplawski, a known white supermacist, was disturbed over the idea of President Obama taking away his guns.
Last week I wrote an article about this merely speculating about the influence of right-wing pundits. This week my suspicions were confirmed. Richard Poplawski was influenced by Glenn Beck. Poplawski posted a link to Stormfront of a YouTube video featuring talk show host Glenn Beck talking about FEMA camps with Congressman Ron Paul.
[Link: www.nowpublic.com…]
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:38:44pm |
Huckabee Attacks Natalie Portman For Glamorizing “Out Of Wedlock Births”
March 03, 2011 5:41 pm ET by Eric Hananoki
In a radio appearance on Monday, Mike Huckabee attacked actress Natalie Portman for having a child “out of wedlock.” Huckabee said that it’s “troubling” to see people like “Natalie Portman or some other Hollywood starlet who boasts of, ‘Hey look, you know, we’re having children, we’re not married, but we’re having these children, and they’re doing just fine.’” Huckabee added that “it’s unfortunate that we glorify and glamorize the idea of out of children wedlock.”
I suppose she could have had an abortion. Oh, wait…
She’ll turn into a Welfare Queen. Oh, wait…
She’s just a B-list actor trying to get tabloid time. Oh, wait…
She’s just a bimbo. Oh, wait…
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
How’s Huckabucka doing so far?
Cracker fuck.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:38:59pm |
re: #133 Talking Point Detective
[Link: www.nowpublic.com…]
Isolated incident. Not a right winger. Liberal infiltrator.
Soros put him up to it.
manifest destiny…..
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:39:26pm |
This interview another reader posted is just awesome. Not because it has anything intelligent to say, because it doesn’t. Nor is it because someone makes a great zinger, because they don’t, and I frankly get no pleasure from two adults shouting at each other like children on a news show.
What does give me pleasure, though, is that someone has finally called FOX on their repulsive tactic of adding disclaimers in interviews. Where the anchor will ask a question, get a response, then insert a little contradiction and opinion, before moving on to the next question, thus always getting in rebuttal and turning interviews into monologues that use the guest as a prop. It’s such a vile tactic, as we all saw in that O’Reilly interview of the President, and all the more so because there are no easy responses. Do what Weiner did, and while intelligent viewers will understand what’s going on, average viewers just see two people shrilly arguing and get turned off. Do what Obama did, and again, intelligent viewers understand, but average viewers just see O’Reilly ‘debating’ the President and winning.
The world has never seen anything like FOX. Yellow journalism has always existed, but not at this level of pervasiveness and ubiquity. Every day they manage to lower the bar.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:41:41pm |
re: #110 Lidane
The wingnuts and religious fanatics here are already close to calling for burqas, given how little they value women.
It’s a woman’s fault if she gets raped. It’s her fault if she gets pregnant, but she can’t avoid pregnancy through birth control or family planning. If she has a miscarriage, put the murdering bitch to death. Women who work, or have an opinion, or who don’t follow the Duggar example of spitting out a new kid every year are evil as far as these assholes are concerned.
Now, now, you can’t help it if you’re baby-killing woman body contains a mass-murdering uterus. We’ll just excise that!
//
Hey Lidane. Beautiful, wasn’t it?
Gearing up for SXSW…
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:41:44pm |
re: #135 wozzablog
[Link: www.nowpublic.com…]
Isolated incident. Not a right winger. Liberal infiltrator.
Soros put him up to it.
manifest destiny…
There needs to be a ‘godwin’ type label for mentioning Soros.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:41:59pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:42:07pm |
David Frum just said Tim Pawlenty would be “a very fine President.”
WTF moment.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:42:32pm |
re: #132 wozzablog
I don’t come to that conclusion.
Denial, possibly. Intentional deflection - but not stupidity.
It’s pure denial and deflection. He knows what he’s doing.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:42:42pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:44:10pm |
re: #75 brookly red
oh freakin gawd, I can’t even respond to that with out laughing
It’s not possible?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:44:11pm |
re: #134 austin_blue
Huckabee Attacks Natalie Portman For Glamorizing “Out Of Wedlock Births”
March 03, 2011 5:41 pm ET by Eric HananokiIn a radio appearance on Monday, Mike Huckabee attacked actress Natalie Portman for having a child “out of wedlock.” Huckabee said that it’s “troubling” to see people like “Natalie Portman or some other Hollywood starlet who boasts of, ‘Hey look, you know, we’re having children, we’re not married, but we’re having these children, and they’re doing just fine.’” Huckabee added that “it’s unfortunate that we glorify and glamorize the idea of out of children wedlock.”
I suppose she could have had an abortion. Oh, wait…
She’ll turn into a Welfare Queen. Oh, wait…
She’s just a B-list actor trying to get tabloid time. Oh, wait…
She’s just a bimbo. Oh, wait…
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
How’s Huckabucka doing so far?
Cracker fuck.
I ask again but what the fuck is he talking about. And how is this any different from Bristol Palin. I am glad Sarah hasn’t at least yet been stupid enough to criticize Natalie because that would be stupid even for her.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:44:33pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:44:55pm |
Frum always brushes off the creationism issue, because he knows it makes the Republican Party look like ignorant throwbacks, and because he knows that if people really start to understand the cost of indoctrinating children with anti-science nonsense, they’ll never vote for these bastards again.
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:45:12pm |
re: #138 b_sharp
There needs to be a ‘godwin’ type label for mentioning Soros.
We already have Gorewin.
/
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:45:33pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:45:48pm |
re: #144 HappyWarrior
I ask again but what the fuck is he talking about. And how is this any different from Bristol Palin. I am glad Sarah hasn’t at least yet been stupid enough to criticize Natalie because that would be stupid even for her.
The difference is that Palin is “on the team” whereas Portman is not.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:46:09pm |
re: #119 brookly red
If you had a pair you would not hide behind Charles, he is quite capable of defending himself with out your help.
Too harsh, brookly. Step away from the keyboard. Order some Chinese!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:46:30pm |
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:46:33pm |
re: #148 Varek Raith
Gorebull Warming!
/
Were you around back when most of the AGW threads would always turn into blathering about Al Gore?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:47:00pm |
re: #108 HappyWarrior
Yep. And quite frankly if it had been a prominent Democrat who had a pregnant unwed teenage daughter, you know they would have made it a huge issue. I have no doubt at all.
You got it.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:47:14pm |
re: #152 Gus 802
Were you around back when most of the AGW threads would always turn into blathering about Al Gore?
I wasn’t registered, but I was a reader.
Yes, I remember.
:)
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:47:55pm |
re: #137 austin_blue
Hey Lidane. Beautiful, wasn’t it?
Gearing up for SXSW…
Oh man. SXSW has made me surprisingly nervous this year. I guess it’s because I was encouraged to get business cards and to spend my time networking and making contacts thi. It’s not just about going to movie screenings (I *will* get in to see Paul, dammit— I’m a huge Pegg/Frost fangirl) and cool music events.
Still, it will be nice to relax and let loose for a few days. I’m getting my hair and nails done on Tuesday, getting my badge on Thursday, and the fun starts bright and early Friday morning. Can’t wait. :D
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:48:06pm |
Pawlenty
i see a lot of ads for sleep aids on teevee, but most of them have side effects
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:48:25pm |
re: #149 Dark_Falcon
The difference is that Palin is “on the team” whereas Portman is not.
I realize this DF, it’s just amazing that this comes two and a half years after we heard how wonderful Bristol was for choosing to have her child. And don’t get me wrong. I am glad she had the child too but this is a bullshit game Huckabee is playing.
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Gus Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:48:35pm |
re: #154 Varek Raith
I wasn’t registered, but I was a reader.
Yes, I remember.
:)
Damn, that sure was annoying I tell you what. Would never fail. Then there were other threads about right wing racism that would always turn into blathering about Senator Byrd.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:48:37pm |
re: #137 austin_blue
Now, now, you can’t help it if you’re baby-killing woman body contains a mass-murdering uterus. We’ll just excise that!
//
Hey Lidane. Beautiful, wasn’t it?
Gearing up for SXSW…
Well, the woman’s body does do its best to kill off as many sperm as possible, and you know what they say about sperm.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:48:42pm |
re: #120 engineer dog
“Strange Fruit Burns Fat”
Study: Burns 12.3 Pounds of Fat Every 28 Days. Can It Work for You?
[Link:
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:48:58pm |
re: #122 Killgore Trout
I’m shocked that Pamela actually had a dim awareness that the video made them look bad. I wonder if it was the part where they threw crosses at the praying Muslim guy, or the part where they chanted, “Jeesus! Jeesus! Jeesus! Jeesus!”
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:51:15pm |
re: #35 wrenchwench
Wasn’t “New Comments” uncapitalized last week?
/or am I losing it…?
Gotta wake up pretty early to sneak one past you.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:51:36pm |
Remember a few days ago when Mike Tobin from FoxNews claimed that someone punched him while he was reporting on the Wisconsin protests? The one where his cameraman conveniently had turned off the camera right before it happened?
Well, someone else was filming the FoxNews crew’s filming of the report. And guess what?
Confirmed: That Fox News Reporter Wasn’t Actually Punched By Protestors
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:51:49pm |
G’night all.
Job interview in the morning.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:53:07pm |
re: #164 RadicalModerate
Remember a few days ago when Mike Tobin from FoxNews claimed that someone punched him while he was reporting on the Wisconsin protests? The one where his cameraman conveniently had turned off the camera right before it happened?
Well, someone else was filming the FoxNews crew’s filming of the report. And guess what?
Confirmed: That Fox News Reporter Wasn’t Actually Punched By Protestors
Limbo, limbo, how low can you go?
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zora Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:53:29pm |
re: #157 HappyWarrior
I realize this DF, it’s just amazing that this comes two and a half years after we heard how wonderful Bristol was for choosing to have her child. And don’t get me wrong. I am glad she had the child too but this is a bullshit game Huckabee is playing.
he is just giving the real american point of view. you may not understand it. perhaps you weren’t a boy / girl scout growing up. maybe you have never cooked squirrel in a popcorn popper. then surely you could understand huckabee’s motivations.
/
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:54:08pm |
re: #165 wozzablog
G’night all.
Job interview in the morning.
Knock ‘em dead, break a leg, good luck.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:54:43pm |
re: #166 HappyWarrior
Limbo, limbo, how low can you go?
Pretty low, considering the Alex Jones fanboy love that Fox News shows these days, and the fact that Glenn Beck is on TV.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:54:55pm |
re: #161 Charles
I’m shocked that Pamela actually had a dim awareness that the video made them look bad. I wonder if it was the part where they threw crosses at the praying Muslim guy, or the part where they chanted, “Jeesus! Jeesus! Jeesus! Jeesus!”
I think it was also compounded by how bad the California protests looked too. It’s hard to watch those videos without noticing the ugly hate. I think she might have had a brief moment of clarity. It won’t last long.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:55:37pm |
re: #170 Lidane
Pretty low, considering the Alex Jones fanboy love that Fox News shows these days, and the fact that Glenn Beck is on TV.
Yeppers.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:56:22pm |
re: #161 Charles
I’m shocked that Pamela actually had a dim awareness that the video made them look bad. I wonder if it was the part where they threw crosses at the praying Muslim guy, or the part where they chanted, “Jeesus! Jeesus! Jeesus! Jeesus!”
Most likely the latter. Hopefully she realizes that if the theocrats got done with the Muslims, they’d turn on her.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:56:27pm |
re: #167 zora
he is just giving the real american point of view. you may not understand it. perhaps you weren’t a boy / girl scout growing up. maybe you have never cooked squirrel in a popcorn popper. then surely you could understand huckabee’s motivations.
/
Explain the ‘popcorn popper’ part a bit more. Sounds like a joke, but they shove a beer can up a hen’s ass around here.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:56:34pm |
re: #171 Killgore Trout
I think it was also compounded by how bad the California protests looked too. It’s hard to watch those videos without noticing the ugly hate. I think she might have had a brief moment of clarity. It won’t last long.
It’s the same moment of clarity that any fanatic has. She’s more concerned with the fact that the video harms her image than she is by what the people there said.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:57:05pm |
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zora Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:57:26pm |
re: #174 Decatur Deb
in an interview, huckabee says that in college they would catch squirrels and cook then in a popcorn popper.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:57:29pm |
re: #144 HappyWarrior
I ask again but what the fuck is he talking about. And how is this any different from Bristol Palin. I am glad Sarah hasn’t at least yet been stupid enough to criticize Natalie because that would be stupid even for her.
It reminds of that pinhead dan Quayle ragging on Murphey Brown.
Really? REALLY?!?!
She was a fictional TV character, for godsakes.
Dumb and dumber.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:57:38pm |
re: #167 zora
he is just giving the real american point of view. you may not understand it. perhaps you weren’t a boy / girl scout growing up. maybe you have never cooked squirrel in a popcorn popper. then surely you could understand huckabee’s motivations.
/
You know, I know what you said was in jest but I actually wasn’t a boy scout. In fact, only one of me and my brothers who wasn’t.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 5:59:46pm |
It is interesting though that Pam did call out her fans. She’s never done that with her Euro-fascist pals.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:00:29pm |
re: #159 b_sharp
Well, the woman’s body does do its best to kill off as many sperm as possible, and you know what they say about sperm.
It’s like Highlander:
Only one will survive!
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:00:40pm |
re: #179 HappyWarrior
You know, I know what you said was in jest but I actually wasn’t a boy scout. In fact, only one of me and my brothers who wasn’t.
I was a Cub and a Scout, and the evil leader when we just about burned our tents down.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:02:10pm |
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jaunte Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:03:06pm |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
When I read zora’s post I thought ‘uh oh, prions’.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:03:11pm |
re: #182 HappyWarrior
It is interesting though that Pam did call out her fans. She’s never done that with her Euro-fascist pals.
Because Americans aren’t going to notice or care when a bunch of Euro-fascist dicks terrorize Muslims or make idiots of themselves on camera.
When it happens in America, and is done by America? People notice. That’s what annoys Pam more than anything else. The people in that video showed exactly what she and Spencer are all about and the true impact of their words. She can’t stand that.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:04:33pm |
re: #183 austin_blue
It’s like Highlander:
Only one will survive!
So then sperm are the “Princes of the Universe”:
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:05:13pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:05:55pm |
re: #188 jaunte
When I read zora’s post I thought ‘uh oh, prions’.
Yep, Prions. Eating brains is not safe anymore.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:06:24pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:06:40pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:07:08pm |
OT but thire: #189 Lidane
Because Americans aren’t going to notice or care when a bunch of Euro-fascist dicks terrorize Muslims or make idiots of themselves on camera.
When it happens in America, and is done by America? People notice. That’s what annoys Pam more than anything else. The people in that video showed exactly what she and Spencer are all about and the true impact of their words. She can’t stand that.
True that.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:07:52pm |
An innovative study has found that when a representative sample of the American public was presented the federal budget, they proposed changes far different from those the Obama administration or the Republican-led House have proposed.
The biggest difference in spending is that the public favored deep cuts in defense spending, while the administration and the House propose modest increases. However, the public also favored more spending on job training, education, and pollution control than did either the administration or the House. On average the public made a net reduction of $146 billion—far more than either the administration or the House called for.
While there were some partisan differences in the magnitude of spending changes, in two out of three cases average Republicans, Democrats and independents agreed on which items should be cut or increased.
The public also showed readiness to increase taxes by an average of $292 billion—again, far more than either the administration or the House.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:08:33pm |
re: #194 Charles
What the hell is an Islamic cake? Is that something they serve during Eid?
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:08:39pm |
ah! nice upgrade on the preview function, fearless leader!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:09:06pm |
re: #198 Lidane
What the hell is an Islamic cake? Is that something they serve during Eid?
The Incredibly Horrifying Islamic Cake of Deception.
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jaunte Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:10:00pm |
re: #194 Charles
San Antonio’s answer to the internet’s desperate need for a fashion outlet/drudgelink site model.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:10:39pm |
OK, food is on the way I love everyone now… peace, rainbows & unicorns la, la, la…
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:11:09pm |
re: #193 Lidane
[Video]
OK, why did Disney block that video from playing in Canada? Are there two other countries on Earth that are more similar to each other than the US and Canada?
It’s like not sharing a chocolate bar with your younger brother.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:12:15pm |
re: #201 Charles
The Incredibly Horrifying Islamic Cake of Deception.
some body help me get this rope round FVB…
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:12:37pm |
Does Islamic cake contain Sharia sprinkles?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:12:52pm |
re: #194 Charles
I’ve been noticed on Twitter by a far right anti-Muslim fanatic with a lot of followers (almost 50,000), who I’ve never heard of before:
That guy is as nutty as Rodan, who is of course using your Choudry thread to claim you “praised Choudry”. Typical wingnut approach: Throw rotten red meat, and watch the Stalker base eat it up.
[waves to the Stalkers]
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:13:20pm |
re: #188 jaunte
When I read zora’s post I thought ‘uh oh, prions’.
When my Da was in Japan/Vietnam in 64/65, we lived in Columbus, Mississippi near my cousins. My uncle George would routinely make us brains and eggs for breakfast on weekends. I would eat the *shit* out of it. Now, not so much, although you can still purchase this:
[Link: images.search.yahoo.com…]
I think the milk makes the meal.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:13:40pm |
Besides making changes to spending, respondents were presented a series of options for increasing revenue. On average respondents increased revenues by $292 billion. The largest portion was from income taxes: majorities increased taxes on incomes over $100,000 by 5% or more and increased them by 10% or more for incomes over $500,000. Majorities also increased corporate taxes and other excise taxes.
For the estate tax, a majority (77%) favored reverting at least to the 2009 levels, taxing estates over $3.5 million at a 45% rate. Only 15% of respondents supported the estate tax levels recently passed: taxing estates over $5 million at a 35% rate.
The Obama administration holds to its position that the Bush-era tax cuts for incomes above $250,000 should be allowed to expire, and now proposes this for after 2012. By 2015 this would generate $97.2 billion in revenues. The House leadership has so far not made any proposal to increase tax revenues and has favored making the Bush tax cuts permanent.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:14:45pm |
re: #194 Charles
I’ve been noticed on Twitter by a far right anti-Muslim fanatic with a lot of followers (almost 50,000), who I’ve never heard of before:
Interesting stuff in the tweets—especially
”# We are the generation who will end the century-long nightmare of progressivism and restore the America of our founders. #tcot #teaparty #tpp about 1 hour ago via web”
The ‘ordained generation’ theme recurrs constantly in the militant Dominionist shtick.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:17:16pm |
re: #194 Charles
I’ve been noticed on Twitter by a far right anti-Muslim fanatic with a lot of followers (almost 50,000), who I’ve never heard of before:
Takkiya? Haven’t heard that concept in a while on this board. Which is good.
Although, as we know, none of them heathens can be trusted.
///
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:17:29pm |
re: #211 engineer dog
Besides making changes to spending, respondents were presented a series of options for increasing revenue. On average respondents increased revenues by $292 billion. The largest portion was from income taxes: majorities increased taxes on incomes over $100,000 by 5% or more and increased them by 10% or more for incomes over $500,000. Majorities also increased corporate taxes and other excise taxes.
For the estate tax, a majority (77%) favored reverting at least to the 2009 levels, taxing estates over $3.5 million at a 45% rate. Only 15% of respondents supported the estate tax levels recently passed: taxing estates over $5 million at a 35% rate.
The Obama administration holds to its position that the Bush-era tax cuts for incomes above $250,000 should be allowed to expire, and now proposes this for after 2012. By 2015 this would generate $97.2 billion in revenues. The House leadership has so far not made any proposal to increase tax revenues and has favored making the Bush tax cuts permanent.
I never did get the estate tax? you make money, ok they tax it… you die they tax it again? wtf? something is seriously wrong with that concept.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:18:09pm |
re: #212 Decatur Deb
Interesting stuff in the tweets—especially
”# We are the generation who will end the century-long nightmare of progressivism and restore the America of our founders. #tcot #teaparty #tpp about 1 hour ago via web”
The ‘ordained generation’ theme recurrs constantly in the militant Dominionist shtick.
I suspect a thick Dominionist thread weaved throughout the TP.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:18:56pm |
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:19:42pm |
re: #212 Decatur Deb
the century-long nightmare of progressivism
Oh yeah! Five day work weeks, overtime pay, family and medical leave, minimum wage laws, worker safety, civil rights, voting rights for women and minorities, rural electrification, etc… real nightmarish stuff there. How have we survived it all? =P
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Charles Johnson Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:20:07pm |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
He looks like a spammer.
I think it’s a woman - Andi Silver. A right wing firehose.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:20:15pm |
Nightmare of progressivism? Because it was so much better when children had to work in factories, or when returning veterans weren’t given the chance for an education, or when civil rights was “unconstitutional”, or when slavery was just fine and you could only vote if you were a white guy who owned land. Yeah those damn progressives!
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:20:39pm |
re: #203 brookly red
OK, food is on the way I love everyone now… peace, rainbows & unicorns la, la, la…
Glad you took my advice. You were full-bore on to a giant case of the red-ass. It doesn’t end well. What did you order?
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:22:51pm |
re: #214 brookly red
I never did get the estate tax? you make money, ok they tax it… you die they tax it again? wtf? something is seriously wrong with that concept.
you seem to be missing the little detail where it is given to another person - this is called “income”
also, the tax doesn’t kick in until the amount is over a few mil
if somebody left me 3.5 million, i wouldn’t be looking for sympathy because the government took a cut
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:23:13pm |
re: #220 austin_blue
Glad you took my advice. You were full-bore on to a giant case of the red-ass. It doesn’t end well. What did you order?
bite me ass ho… oh I got eggplant parm & linguine, shripm parm for GF & salad.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:24:34pm |
re: #222 engineer dog
you seem to be missing the little detail where it is given to another person - this is called “income”
also, the tax doesn’t kick in until the amount is over a few mil
if somebody left me 3.5 million, i wouldn’t be looking for sympathy because the government took a cut
an income is a bad thing comrade?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:25:46pm |
re: #220 austin_blue
Glad you took my advice. You were full-bore on to a giant case of the red-ass. It doesn’t end well. What did you order?
Was that really needed? If you’d just said those first and last sentences, it would have been nice. As it was, it sounded like baiting.
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recusancy Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:25:50pm |
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:26:35pm |
re: #214 brookly red
I never did get the estate tax? you make money, ok they tax it… you die they tax it again? wtf? something is seriously wrong with that concept.
They’re dead, br. The only way to tax capital gains over their lifetimes is through the estate tax. I think it should be indexed for inflation and taxed as income to the estate, but that could be an audit nightmare.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:27:06pm |
re: #226 recusancy
Taxes are not punishment.
reasonable taxes are not punishment. unreasonable taxes are plunder.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:27:15pm |
re: #196 engineer dog
re: #211 engineer dog
Not surprising, given the result of the latest WSJ polls:
Making rich people pay more money into the system, cutting the bloat and graft from programs that need it, boosting programs they like and see value in, and being willing to pay more themselves? Makes sense.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:27:52pm |
re: #222 engineer dog
you seem to be missing the little detail where it is given to another person - this is called “income”
also, the tax doesn’t kick in until the amount is over a few mil
if somebody left me 3.5 million, i wouldn’t be looking for sympathy because the government took a cut
If it was just the income tax, it wouldn’t be such an issue. But the money gets taxed twice, and that does both me. Nor am I so sure of that poll you cited. Did it poll ‘all adults’, ‘registered voters’ or ‘likely voters’?
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:28:11pm |
re: #214 brookly red
I never did get the estate tax? you make money, ok they tax it… you die they tax it again? wtf? something is seriously wrong with that concept.
They’re not taxing YOU. You’re dead. They’re taxing the people who inherited the money after you’re gone.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:28:21pm |
re: #224 brookly red
an income is a bad thing comrade?
you know, i have been working hard on after my regular job (creating commercial products for other people to sell) for several years now on my own little business, which i am happy to say is now generating enough income to make it worth the effort. i am required to pay income tax on it, as well as an $800 per year state LLC tax, which for some unaccountable reason i fail to find “confiscatory”
comrade
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:30:14pm |
re: #229 Lidane
re: #211 engineer dog
Not surprising, given the result of the latest WSJ polls:
Making rich people pay more money into the system, cutting the bloat and graft from programs that need it, boosting programs they like and see value in, and being willing to pay more themselves? Makes sense.
That poll was registered voters, BTW, so it does have some validity.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:30:22pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
If it was just the income tax, it wouldn’t be such an issue. But the money gets taxed twice, and that does both me. Nor am I so sure of that poll you cited. Did it poll ‘all adults’, ‘registered voters’ or ‘likely voters’?
i linked to the complete text in the first comment
“taxed twice”
um, isn’t a transfer of money from one person to another usually liable to a tax? how is that “taxed twice”?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:30:30pm |
re: #231 Lidane
They’re not taxing YOU. You’re dead. They’re taxing the people who inherited the money after you’re gone.
so why would anyone making money & wanting to leave it to their children make their money here? think about it .
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:31:06pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
But the money doesn’t get taxed twice. The person who had the money originally is dead. The person who inherits the money just had some unexpected income come their way. Why shouldn’t they pay taxes on that income?
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recusancy Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:31:42pm |
re: #236 brookly red
so why would anyone making money & wanting to leave it to their children make their money here? think about it .
Then let em leave and they’ll get taxed more someplace else.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:31:52pm |
re: #236 brookly red
I’d think about it if your question made any sense. It doesn’t, so I won’t.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:31:52pm |
re: #236 brookly red
so why would anyone making money & wanting to leave it to their children make their money here? think about it .
Hell, why wouldn’t they just sell heroin? I mean, totally!
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:32:07pm |
re: #235 engineer dog
i linked to the complete text in the first comment
“taxed twice”
um, isn’t a transfer of money from one person to another usually liable to a tax? how is that “taxed twice”?
In a healthy economy, money flows and gets taxed many times.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:32:23pm |
re: #237 Lidane
But the money doesn’t get taxed twice. The person who had the money originally is dead. The person who inherits the money just had some unexpected income come their way. Why shouldn’t they pay taxes on that income?
In fact, it will be taxed a “third” time when the kids hit the Mercedes dealership.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:32:31pm |
re: #235 engineer dog
i linked to the complete text in the first comment
“taxed twice”
um, isn’t a transfer of money from one person to another usually liable to a tax? how is that “taxed twice”?
Once for the inheritance tax, and a second time with the income tax. The income tax is not problematic in my eyes in this case, to be clear.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:32:47pm |
re: #235 engineer dog
i linked to the complete text in the first comment
“taxed twice”
um, isn’t a transfer of money from one person to another usually liable to a tax? how is that “taxed twice”?
It’s called a bullshit republican talking point
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:32:50pm |
re: #236 brookly red
so why would anyone making money & wanting to leave it to their children make their money here? think about it .
I have no idea.
If I had made enough in my lifetime that i could leave over 3.5 million to my kids just because they won the birth lottery I would spend it all myself and make my kids earn their own damn money…slackers.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:33:13pm |
re: #240 WindUpBird
Hell, why wouldn’t they just sell heroin? I mean, totally!
Isn’t crack more popular?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:33:19pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
If it was just the income tax, it wouldn’t be such an issue. But the money gets taxed twice, and that does both me. Nor am I so sure of that poll you cited. Did it poll ‘all adults’, ‘registered voters’ or ‘likely voters’?
I thought that’s what happens when you have income, dude
it’s TAXED
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:33:45pm |
re: #246 b_sharp
Isn’t crack more popular?
Yeah, but the margins are lower, and heroin junkies are less likely to kill you
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:34:02pm |
re: #237 Lidane
But the money doesn’t get taxed twice. The person who had the money originally is dead. The person who inherits the money just had some unexpected income come their way. Why shouldn’t they pay taxes on that income?
but it was expected… the parents expected to give the fruits of their lifetime of work to their children someday. Why is anyone surprised that people don’t want to invest here?
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:34:23pm |
re: #217 Lidane
Oh yeah! Five day work weeks, overtime pay, family and medical leave, minimum wage laws, worker safety, civil rights, voting rights for women and minorities, rural electrification, etc… real nightmarish stuff there. How have we survived it all? =P
We just didn’t realize how pervasive it was to inure us to creeping Socialism, which leads to Communism, which leads to Sharia law taking over the US of A!!!
And it’s all the Labor Movements fault! I hate teacher’s Unions because they are blood-sucking leeches and in in response I am going to entrust my most precious possessions to them for 8 hours a day! My children!!
Take that!!
Jeez, that really is the attitude. Could anything be more rock dumb?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:34:53pm |
re: #240 WindUpBird
Hell, why wouldn’t they just sell heroin? I mean, totally!
that was stupid in many ways.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:35:21pm |
re: #249 brookly red
but it was expected… the parents expected to give the fruits of their lifetime of work to their children someday. Why is anyone surprised that people don’t want to invest here?
So where are they investing, the communist country of China?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:35:33pm |
re: #249 brookly red
but it was expected… the parents expected to give the fruits of their lifetime of work to their children someday. Why is anyone surprised that people don’t want to invest here?
Well, I can see their point, we have an aversion to investing in our education, our infrastructure, our health care…
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:35:42pm |
re: #245 webevintage
I have no idea.
If I had made enough in my lifetime that i could leave over 3.5 million to my kids just because they won the birth lottery I would spend it all myself and make my kids earn their own damn money…slackers.
Or just be like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett and give most of your money away, leaving the kids enough to be wealthy, but not to an obscene degree.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:35:59pm |
re: #237 Lidane
But the money doesn’t get taxed twice. The person who had the money originally is dead. The person who inherits the money just had some unexpected income come their way. Why shouldn’t they pay taxes on that income?
It’s also worth noting that estate tax is very helpful in avoiding an aristocratic class of wealthy families who will reign indefinitely through accumulated wealth. Without the estate tax we’d have dynastic aristocracy like feudal Europe withing a few generations.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:36:16pm |
ore: #241 b_sharp
In a healthy economy, money flows and gets taxed many times.
rezackly
conservatives don’t seem to understant that money is not a solid, it is a liquid. it doesn’t disappear when spent
money sitting around in a pile doing nothing is bad for the economy. whenever a dollar passes from one hand to another, that is economic activity, and is good for the economy
and the dollar still exists, just somewhere else
and finally, remember that the dollars that flow into the government as taxes mostly flow right back out as defense department contracts and salaries, hospital, drug manufacturer and doctor’s incomes, and money to old people who spend it on rent, medicine, and food
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HoosierHoops Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:36:34pm |
re: #246 b_sharp
Isn’t crack more popular?
Would somebody please tweet Charlie Sheen and ask how much the average suitcase of crack cost?
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recusancy Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:36:50pm |
re: #249 brookly red
but it was expected… the parents expected to give the fruits of their lifetime of work to their children someday. Why is anyone surprised that people don’t want to invest here?
Why do you keep saying people don’t want to invest here? Where are you getting your information? And how does investing have anything to do with the estate tax?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:36:51pm |
re: #255 Killgore Trout
It’s also worth noting that estate tax is very helpful in avoiding an aristocratic class of wealthy families who will reign indefinitely through accumulated wealth. Without the estate tax we’d have dynastic aristocracy like feudal Europe withing a few generations.
There’s nothing more embarrassing than a poor guy yelling for the repeal of the estate tax, haha
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:37:26pm |
re: #249 brookly red
but it was expected… the parents expected to give the fruits of their lifetime of work to their children someday. Why is anyone surprised that people don’t want to invest here?
Christ almighty….where would they invest it instead?
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:37:43pm |
re: #249 brookly red
but it was expected… the parents expected to give the fruits of their lifetime of work to their children someday. Why is anyone surprised that people don’t want to invest here?
Boo fucking hoo. They should also expect the government to tax the fruits of their lifetime of work when it’s passed on to the kids, given the fact that the money was taxed as they earned it anyhow, or whenever they bought anything because of sales and property taxes.
Rich people whining about the estate tax get no sympathy from me.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:37:54pm |
re: #255 Killgore Trout
It’s also worth noting that estate tax is very helpful in avoiding an aristocratic class of wealthy families who will reign indefinitely through accumulated wealth. Without the estate tax we’d have dynastic aristocracy like feudal Europe withing a few generations.
Ya know I never thought about it like that.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:37:57pm |
re: #223 brookly red
bite me ass ho… oh I got eggplant parm & linguine, shripm parm for GF & salad.
Oh, yum. Sounds good. I grilled a steak outside. Twice baked potato, a little salad with bleu cheese,and red wine. Backatcha!
Oh, it was cloudless and 77 degrees her today.
Heh heh heh.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:38:11pm |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
Once for the inheritance tax, and a second time with the income tax. The income tax is not problematic in my eyes in this case, to be clear.
so by this definition sales tax is also ‘taxed twice’
to repeat, money is generally liable to tax when it changes hands
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:38:15pm |
re: #258 recusancy
Why do you keep saying people don’t want to invest here? Where are you getting your information? And how does investing have anything to do with the estate tax?
/ hahahaha it doesn’t silly me people love to throw money away.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:38:21pm |
re: #255 Killgore Trout
It’s also worth noting that estate tax is very helpful in avoiding an aristocratic class of wealthy families who will reign indefinitely through accumulated wealth. Without the estate tax we’d have dynastic aristocracy like feudal Europe withing a few generations.
Nice theory, except that the really wealthy can afford enough accountants (and politicians) to avoid threats to the dynasty. koch..koch…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:38:24pm |
re: #261 Lidane
Boo fucking hoo. They should also expect the government to tax the fruits of their lifetime of work when it’s passed on to the kids, given the fact that the money was taxed as they earned it anyhow, or whenever they bought anything because of sales and property taxes.
Rich people whining about the estate tax get no sympathy from me.
Cry for me, I only have but one dozen properties and several vehicles and a trust fund to give to my kids
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:39:00pm |
re: #263 austin_blue
Oh, yum. Sounds good. I grilled a steak outside. Twice baked potato, a little salad with bleu cheese,and red wine. Backatcha!
Oh, it was cloudless and 77 degrees her today.
Heh heh heh.
life is so much better with food.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:39:07pm |
re: #264 engineer dog
so by this definition sales tax is also ‘taxed twice’
to repeat, money is generally liable to tax when it changes hands
Do you ever just look around amazed at what people don’t understand?
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:39:17pm |
re: #255 Killgore Trout
It’s also worth noting that estate tax is very helpful in avoiding an aristocratic class of wealthy families who will reign indefinitely through accumulated wealth. Without the estate tax we’d have dynastic aristocracy like feudal Europe withing a few generations.
I’m glad someone brought that up.
Diminishing the middle class to inflate the poorest class by weighting everything for the richest creates an unhealthy society.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:39:46pm |
re: #225 Dark_Falcon
Was that really needed? If you’d just said those first and last sentences, it would have been nice. As it was, it sounded like baiting.
I like to banter with brookly. We’re OK.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:40:06pm |
re: #267 WindUpBird
Cry for me, I only have but one dozen properties and several vehicles and a trust fund to give to my kids
so we can build the windmills off the coast of your compound?
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recusancy Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:41:20pm |
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bratwurst Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:41:20pm |
re: #240 WindUpBird
Hell, why wouldn’t they just sell heroin? I mean, totally!
Hello tax free income!
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:41:28pm |
re: #271 austin_blue
I like to banter with brookly. We’re OK.
at least you know the meaning of banter, some of these folks scare me…
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:41:36pm |
re: #236 brookly red
so why would anyone making money & wanting to leave it to their children make their money here? think about it .
Trusts.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:41:45pm |
re: #263 austin_blue
Oh, yum. Sounds good. I grilled a steak outside. Twice baked potato, a little salad with bleu cheese,and red wine. Backatcha!
Oh, it was cloudless and 77 degrees her today.
Heh heh heh.
Shut! Up!
-15C with snow and wind.
I had to eat one of my dogs.
Raw.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:42:19pm |
re: #270 b_sharp
I’m glad someone brought that up.
Diminishing the middle class to inflate the poorest class by weighting everything for the richest creates an unhealthy society.
Oh but the wealthy…they are so deserving of that money, those kids who win the birth lottery. They work so damn hard to make sure they were born into the right family and the rest of us are just jealous because we did not pick our damn families better as a fetus.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:42:52pm |
re: #269 WindUpBird
Do you ever just look around amazed at what people don’t understand?
i’m thinking of collecting all the explanations progressives have repeated over and over through the years into a book, and then whacking people over the head with it
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:42:54pm |
re: #259 WindUpBird
There’s nothing more embarrassing than a poor guy yelling for the repeal of the estate tax, haha
Seriously. The only people who even pay estate taxes are the ones with millions to give away.
It’s like anyone who makes under $250k approving of Republican tax cuts for the rich. You’re arguing against your own interests every single time.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:43:04pm |
re: #266 Decatur Deb
Nice theory, except that the really wealthy can afford enough accountants (and politicians) to avoid threats to the dynasty. koch..koch…
Remember to Koch into your sleeve, not your hand.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:43:34pm |
re: #263 austin_blue
Oh, yum. Sounds good. I grilled a steak outside. Twice baked potato, a little salad with bleu cheese,and red wine. Backatcha!
Oh, it was cloudless and 77 degrees her today.
Heh heh heh.
It was lovely here in Arkansas today…we will pay tomorrow with bad storms.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:43:37pm |
re: #269 WindUpBird
Do you ever just look around amazed at what people don’t understand?
Frequently.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:44:14pm |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
Once for the inheritance tax, and a second time with the income tax. The income tax is not problematic in my eyes in this case, to be clear.
Estates, after taxes, are not taxed as income to the recipients. Free money.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:44:56pm |
re: #280 Lidane
Seriously. The only people who even pay estate taxes are the ones with millions to give away.
It’s like anyone who makes under $250k approving of Republican tax cuts for the rich. You’re arguing against your own interests every single time.
Yeah but people hear tax cuts and think yippee! And then when they see that their schools, roads, hospitals, etc aren’t as good, they get pissy. It’s true that money isn’t a solve all problem but it helps more than cutting money from things like education like Governor Walker up in Wisconsin wants to and Governor McDonnell wants to here. The funny thing is though. These same peopel who want to cut money from schools always get excited about the possibility of building prisons.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:45:07pm |
re: #278 webevintage
Oh but the wealthy…they are so deserving of that money, those kids who win the birth lottery. They work so damn hard to make sure they were born into the right family and the rest of us are just jealous because we did not pick our damn families better as a fetus.
what a hater, the wealthy became that way for a reason … I don’t see you screaming to take the money of movie stars or sports figures.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:45:50pm |
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:45:56pm |
why do conservatives want to take food out of the mouths of helpless defense contractors and drug manufacturers? don’t they deserve the right to make billions of dollars like the rest of us?
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jaunte Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:46:04pm |
re: #284 austin_blue
And gifts of about $20,000 a year can be given by wealthy couples to each child, without being taxed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:46:33pm |
re: #286 brookly red
what a hater, the wealthy became that way for a reason … I don’t see you screaming to take the money of movie stars or sports figures.
we eared our money the old fashioned way! We inherited it!
I wonder when we can look forward to our new inheritance based economy
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:46:35pm |
re: #289 jaunte
And gifts of about $20,000 a year can be given by wealthy couples to each child, without being taxed.
so?
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:46:39pm |
OT: For anyone one with a bit of spare time.
A great story, a wonderful teacher, and a good lesson.
or start here:
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:46:51pm |
What I don’t understand about the estate tax is that I do not consider my parents’ money mine. Its not. They earned it. They have done enough for me. If they want to spend it all while they are still here that is what I want them to do. Enjoy it. Its not my money and I don’t “expect” it.
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recusancy Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:47:21pm |
re: #286 brookly red
what a hater, the wealthy became that way for a reason … I don’t see you screaming to take the money of movie stars or sports figures.
Please tell me you’re drunk.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:47:43pm |
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:47:46pm |
re: #277 b_sharp
Shut! Up!
-15C with snow and wind.
I had to eat one of my dogs.
Raw.
Yummm…bow-bow burgers…
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:47:56pm |
re: #286 brookly red
what a hater, the wealthy became that way for a reason … I don’t see you screaming to take the money of movie stars or sports figures.
CLASS WARFARE!!!
CLASS WARFARE!!!!
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prairiefire Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:47:58pm |
re: #282 webevintage
It was lovely here in Arkansas today…we will pay tomorrow with bad storms.
I’m concerned about tornados, but I’m always concerned about tornados.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:48:23pm |
re: #294 recusancy
Please tell me you’re drunk.
stone cold sober & ready to fight a commie to the death
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:48:26pm |
re: #279 engineer dog
i’m thinking of collecting all the explanations progressives have repeated over and over through the years into a book, and then whacking people over the head with it
Just don’t wait until the soft cover issue is published.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:48:36pm |
re: #279 engineer dog
i’m thinking of collecting all the explanations progressives have repeated over and over through the years into a book, and then whacking people over the head with it
I could create a bigger book of all of the progressive boondoggles over the years, but if I whacked you with one you’d have a brain injury.
/That is not meant as a threat of violence. I have no intention of hitting anyone.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:49:07pm |
re: #298 webevintage
CLASS WARFARE!!!
CLASS WARFARE!!!
How dare you question the genteel nobility of hoarding!
Why, I shall hurl my mint julep at your help and challenge you to a duel! En garde!
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:49:25pm |
re: #286 brookly red
what a hater, the wealthy became that way for a reason … I don’t see you screaming to take the money of movie stars or sports figures.
Because no one has ever complained about spoiled, overpaid athletes or actors, or questioned the point of Paris Hilton. Ever.
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jaunte Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:49:35pm |
re: #295 brookly red
really how is their money yours… 20k ? that is a decent used car.
Who said their money was mine?
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:49:56pm |
re: #282 webevintage
It was lovely here in Arkansas today…we will pay tomorrow with bad storms.
They’ll be here saturday after midnight. Tornado season’s coming. Oh, joy.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:50:20pm |
re: #305 jaunte
Who said their money was mine?
I don’t think he’s quite aware of what’s going on ;-)
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:50:21pm |
re: #206 HappyWarrior
Does Islamic cake contain Sharia sprinkles?
No, but the frosting is made with the tears of wingnuts. We do have sharia shortcake though, and a full line of burqa breads, caliphate cookies, jihadi jellyrolls, kafir coffeecakes, taliban turnovers…
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:51:18pm |
re: #286 brookly red
what a hater, the wealthy became that way for a reason … I don’t see you screaming to take the money of movie stars or sports figures.
If I had my druthers, scientists would make the big money and entertainers would make what they’re worth.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:51:31pm |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
progressive boondoggles
the food and drug administration? anti-monopoly prosecutions? civil rights legislation? social security? medicare?
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:51:33pm |
re: #293 sizzleRI
What I don’t understand about the estate tax is that I do not consider my parents’ money mine. Its not. They earned it. They have done enough for me. If they want to spend it all while they are still here that is what I want them to do. Enjoy it. Its not my money and I don’t “expect” it.
Indeed.
My dad, the saver, has in the past apologized that he is not going to be able to leave my sister and I as much money as he had planned when he goes on to his great reward.
It would never had been enough to be taxed, but still a nice amount.
BUT WTH dad….enjoy your money, go on trips and buy nice stuff for mom.
They are already generous and provided what we needed to make good lives for ourselves.
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:51:44pm |
re: #236 brookly red
so why would anyone making money & wanting to leave it to their children make their money here? think about it .
Because this is a great fucking country? That’s why I’m here making money.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:51:47pm |
re: #308 CuriousLurker
No, but the frosting is made with the tears of wingnuts. We do have sharia shortcake though, and a full line of burqa breads, caliphate cookies, jihadi jellyrolls, kafir coffeecakes, taliban turnovers…
Anything in a Mahdi Madeline?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:51:54pm |
re: #266 Decatur Deb
Nice theory, except that the really wealthy can afford enough accountants (and politicians) to avoid threats to the dynasty. koch..koch…
Yes we still have wealthy families but the children of wealthy parents still need to work to keep the fortune alive. Without income producing children these dynasties will fade over a few generations. If Feudal Europe the wealth was so concentrated that the landed wealthy families went genenerations without anyone working of doing any business whatsoever. A few families still hold on to their estates and castles today but not many.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:51:55pm |
re: #302 Dark_Falcon
I could create a bigger book of all of the progressive boondoggles over the years, but if I whacked you with one you’d have a brain injury.
/That is not meant as a threat of violence. I have no intention of hitting anyone.
Sorry man, my money is on the engineer over the guy in sales
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moonflower Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:51:57pm |
re: #237 Lidane
But the money doesn’t get taxed twice. The person who had the money originally is dead. The person who inherits the money just had some unexpected income come their way. Why shouldn’t they pay taxes on that income?
The money that is in the estate is the residual from the gross income that was already taxed. That the person is dead does not void that.
There are already ways to avoid these taxes - just set up a trust - it is easy to do and shelters $6 million of estate, I think. Your designated heirs get the money and property and that’s that. And no probate either - it just happens very simply.
My parents set up a trust before my father died and my mom got everything within days. And no taxes on that income either.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:52:22pm |
re: #290 WindUpBird
we eared our money the old fashioned way! We inherited it!
I wonder when we can look forward to our new inheritance based economy
Whatever happened to the conservative ideal of a meritocracy?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:52:29pm |
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:52:36pm |
re: #295 brookly red
really how is their money yours… 20k ? that is a decent used car.
It’s also a decent new car. I can get a Camry, Jetta, or Sentra for that price.
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Interesting Times Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:53:31pm |
re: #308 CuriousLurker
No, but the frosting is made with the tears of wingnuts. We do have sharia shortcake though, and a full line of burqa breads, caliphate cookies, jihadi jellyrolls, kafir coffeecakes, taliban turnovers…
Taqiyya truffles?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:53:48pm |
OK my dinner arrived… so how much of it do I owe to others?
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:54:11pm |
re: #213 austin_blue
Takkiya? Haven’t heard that concept in a while on this board. Which is good.
Although, as we know, none of them heathens can be trusted.
///
Yeah, well, y’know we can’t pull the wool over the eyes of Real American™ wingnuts, no siree Bob. They’re WAY too clever for that. //
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:54:28pm |
re: #321 brookly red
OK my dinner arrived… so how much of it do I owe to others?
First tell me what it is and then I will tell you what my share is….
/
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:54:50pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
Blame it on the idiocy of the modern Republican party and all the shit they’ve been pulling lately. It’s hard not to become hostile when your very existence is offensive to these people.
Just look at all the bills they’ve been proposing lately, and all the asshole behavior they’ve engaged in, then ask again why people are angry.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:55:01pm |
re: #308 CuriousLurker
No, but the frosting is made with the tears of wingnuts. We do have sharia shortcake though, and a full line of burqa breads, caliphate cookies, jihadi jellyrolls, kafir coffeecakes, taliban turnovers…
Ha, nice alliteration.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:55:17pm |
re: #323 webevintage
First tell me what it is and then I will tell you what my share is…
/
your share is buckshot.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:55:37pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
Because whatever may be good in the conservative movement has covered itself in shit, dancing through the sewers with the Kochs and the Stormfront twins. And it has avoided every chance to cleanse itself.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:56:14pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
I’m actually sorry you feel this way, but my anger at the TEAGop Conservative faux-Libertarian War on Women 2011 has made me bitter and cranky.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:57:25pm |
re: #326 brookly red
your share is buckshot.
you made me spit out my coke….
i hope there is no fruit on that pizza.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:57:30pm |
re: #286 brookly red
what a hater, the wealthy became that way for a reason … I don’t see you screaming to take the money of movie stars or sports figures.
Actually, I do. Anybody who makes more than $500,000 a year, (and you and I most definitely don’t, or you would have gone to a restaurant tonight, and I would have been sucking down sushi at Uchi) should thank their lucky stars that Reagan decreased their taxes from around 90% to 33%.
You will notice that the billions of dollars these people saved has done *nothing* to create new jobs in the last three years. I think that level of taxation should be applied to that level of income to pay for the two wars that have been financed by China until we get rid of the deficit.
My .02.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:57:34pm |
re: #313 Decatur Deb
Anything in a Mahdi Madeline?
But of course! Would you like some dhimmi donuts with that? They’re delish!
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jaunte Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:58:08pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
I think it’s a conservative point of view to think that someone who is industrious and foresighted enough to shelter as much as $6 million in a trust for their family as moonflower points out, should have their wishes respected. That’s pretty good money. The idea that some people float around that ‘what’s mine is mine’ ignores the need for some social costs to be shared, and the civilized conditions created by a lot of other people working together that led them to be able to accumulate the money in the first place.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:58:08pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
Sorry, D_F.
It’s just that lately the GOP has been doing its damnedest to piss people off.
Though, I will be more targeted in my rantings and not be so broad.
:)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 6:59:15pm |
re: #310 engineer dog
the food and drug administration? anti-monopoly prosecutions? civil rights legislation? social security? medicare?
Well Medicare has become something of a boondoggle. But for a long time welfare was quite the boondoggle, as were many of the other social programs that emerged in the q960’s. The way public schools have been run into the ground in many cities is quite the scandal, and those cities are run by Democrats.
Civil Rights legislation was not a boondoggle as it was written, but much of its implementation was massively flawed and the left pushed that implementation. Again, to be clear, I’m not calling for changes to the Civil Rights acts themselves.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:00:03pm |
re: #333 jaunte
The idea that some people float around that ‘what’s mine is mine’ ignores the need for some social costs to be shared, and the civilized conditions created by a lot of other people working together that led them to be able to accumulate the money in the first place.
silly, they did it all themselves…bootstraps and all that doncha’ know.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:00:19pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
Not me. I love a lively discussion.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:00:25pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
The problem is that GOP does not equal “conservative” in any reasonable, rational or intelligent sense any longer
I am ABSOLUTELY disrespectful to the GOP, because the GOP is not “conservative” at all, it’s know-nothings, it’s crackpot conspiracy theorists it’s nativist radicals with a sheen of apocalyptic religion, it’s garbage. it’s preaching the gospel of destroy public education and public health from every rooftop. It’s dumb beasts throwing tantrums.
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darthstar Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:00:26pm |
Listening to my first Grateful Dead show (again)…the Bird Song to end this first set is off the fucking hook…total jazz improv…Brent tickling the ivories, Phil plucking away at his six-string bass, Mickey and Billy banging on the drums, Bobby playing rhythm, and Jerry picking out a lead path through the rambling images in all our minds…
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:01:28pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
The place has moved considerably left, but you are still welcome here D_F, at least in my corner.
The magic of this place is the width of the diversity. I’ve been a member of both strictly left, and strictly right forums and they stagnated.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:02:04pm |
re: #330 webevintage
you made me spit out my coke…
i hope there is no fruit on that pizza.
the only fruit is tomatoes…
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:02:09pm |
re: #334 Varek Raith
Sorry, D_F.
It’s just that lately the GOP has been doing its damnedest to piss people off.
Though, I will be more targeted in my rantings and not be so broad.
:)
Thank you. That’s all I ask.
The GOP isn’t devoid of adults. Hell, even one of the TP leaders defended Boener over another’s attack today. The budget battle is going to tell us a lot, but thankfully John Boener has kept his head and acted wisely.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:02:13pm |
re: #328 webevintage
Shocking! You mean we’re not all smiles when we’re being shit upon? We’re violently against having women shamed and deprived over dominion over their bodies, being scolded like it’s the middle ages?
Why one might even say we care about freedom in America! WEIRD!
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:03:05pm |
re: #338 WindUpBird
I am ABSOLUTELY disrespectful to the GOP, because the GOP is not “conservative” at all, it’s know-nothings, it’s crackpot conspiracy theorists it’s nativist radicals with a sheen of apocalyptic religion, it’s garbage. it’s preaching the gospel of destroy public education and public health from every rooftop. It’s dumb beasts throwing tantrums.
Not only that, but the GOP and the activist nutjob right present themselves as the only barometer of what “conservative” means, so it ends up destroying any validity that conservatism might otherwise have.
If anything, conservatives here should be pissed at the Republican party and at the modern right for twisting and perverting their beliefs into a bunch of incoherent, ignorant garbage that favors the rich plutocrats over the rest of us.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:03:05pm |
re: #343 Dark_Falcon
Thank you. That’s all I ask.
The GOP isn’t devoid of adults. Hell, even one of the TP leaders defended Boener over another’s attack today. The budget battle is going to tell us a lot, but thankfully John Boener has kept his head and acted wisely.
It’s devoid of adults in leadership.
Plenty of nice republicans in oregon. who would be smeared as SOCIALISTS on the national stage, because they have nothing in common with the national party, they care about their communities.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:03:51pm |
re: #343 Dark_Falcon
Thank you. That’s all I ask.
The GOP isn’t devoid of adults. Hell, even one of the TP leaders defended Boener over another’s attack today. The budget battle is going to tell us a lot, but thankfully John Boener has kept his head and acted wisely.
Robespierre kept his head..for a while. The TP is just getting warmed up.
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Political Atheist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:04:02pm |
Michael Moore On Wealthy People’s Money: “That’s Not Theirs, That’s A National Resource, It’s Ours”“They’re sitting on the money, they’re using it for their own — they’re putting it someplace else with no interest in helping you with your life, with that money. We’ve allowed them to take that. That’s not theirs, that’s a national resource, that’s ours.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:04:25pm |
re: #321 brookly red
OK my dinner arrived… so how much of it do I owe to others?
You probably paid around 10% sales tax plus tip. Of course, you could always stiff the delivery guy to save money, but you might end up with some “additional ingredients” in your food next time.
Ultimate “Eeeew”.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:04:29pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
well, i’m glad you used that word ‘disrespectful’. i don’t know how you experienced ronald reagan, dark, but for somebody like myself who cherish the progressive accomplishments of teddy roosevelt, fdr, harry truman, eisenhower (interstate highway system), and lbj’s civil rights legislation and medicare, ronald reagan sounded like a giant bucket of sarcastic, joke laden disrespect and denigration
but i’m used to it by now since it’s never stopped since then and only gotten worse…
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:05:15pm |
re: #343 Dark_Falcon
The GOP isn’t devoid of adults.
I’d love to know where they are, because I sure as hell don’t see any evidence of that. Looking at the way they’re systematically attacking women, I’m not so sure there are any rational adults in the GOP at all.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:05:31pm |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
Michael Moore On Wealthy People’s Money: “That’s Not Theirs, That’s A National Resource, It’s Ours”“They’re sitting on the money, they’re using it for their own — they’re putting it someplace else with no interest in helping you with your life, with that money. We’ve allowed them to take that. That’s not theirs, that’s a national resource, that’s ours.
Michael Moore is a retard, who gives a shit
OH ALSO LOUIS FARRAKHAN HATES JEWS, HOLY SHIT THAT JUST HAPPENED, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!?!?!?!
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:05:44pm |
re: #335 Dark_Falcon
Well Medicare has become something of a boondoggle.
i invite the republican party to run on that proposition in the next election
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:05:57pm |
re: #335 Dark_Falcon
Well Medicare has become something of a boondoggle. But for a long time welfare was quite the boondoggle, as were many of the other social programs that emerged in the q960’s. The way public schools have been run into the ground in many cities is quite the scandal, and those cities are run by Democrats.
Civil Rights legislation was not a boondoggle as it was written, but much of its implementation was massively flawed and the left pushed that implementation. Again, to be clear, I’m not calling for changes to the Civil Rights acts themselves.
I am honestly curious, what about the implementation bothered you?
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:05:58pm |
Northwestern University chief ‘troubled’ by live sex demonstration
A Northwestern University psychology professor was in hot water Thursday for an after-class session in which a couple demonstrated the use of a sex toy.
[…]
“Although the incident took place in an after-class session that students were not required to attend and students were advised in advance, several times, of the explicit nature of the activity, I feel it represented extremely poor judgment on the part of our faculty member,” Schapiro said in his statement. “I simply do not believe this was appropriate, necessary or in keeping with Northwestern University’s academic mission.” […]
Hmmmm… I wonder if there will ever be “lab” classes in Human Sexuality college courses?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:06:11pm |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
Michael Moore On Wealthy People’s Money: “That’s Not Theirs, That’s A National Resource, It’s Ours”“They’re sitting on the money, they’re using it for their own — they’re putting it someplace else with no interest in helping you with your life, with that money. We’ve allowed them to take that. That’s not theirs, that’s a national resource, that’s ours.
I was waiting for some one to bring that up… that is really the man the commies think they want to hang.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:06:18pm |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
Michael Moore: Students who don’t have art or music classes in school are ten times more likely to fail in life and appear in one of my movies.
Kent Brockman: Do you have a source for that?
Michael Moore: Your mother!
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Renaissance_Man Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:06:33pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
People are questioning your positions, and not always politely - you understandably would feel less welcome.
However, your self-admitted position is one of ‘sticking with your team’, and thus trying to justify positions that you see as part of ‘your team’. These positions and the reasoning you proffer for them are poorly thought out. Too often you find yourself trying to justify outright fascism, or simply not understanding a fact and trying to base reasoning on things that are not so. I understand that it sucks to have these things pointed out repeatedly, and yes, people could be more polite when doing so.
That said, ‘conservatism’ means different things to different people. To you, it means a sports team that you stick with like you do the Bears. Most others consider it in terms of policies and politics and how they intersect with the real world, and your tribalism unfortunately leads too often to a superficial understanding of the issues.
It does not help that ‘conservatism’ and ‘Conservatism’ are two different things, and the line is frequently blurred. Modern American Conservatism is not conservative - it is reactionary, radical, atavistic, and a monomanic cult. And all too frequently, you find yourself confused and torn between your instinct to support your ‘team’ and the revulsion that thinking people have at this perversion of the term ‘conservatism’.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:06:40pm |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
Michael Moore is a blowhard asshole. He had decent ideas for his films, like his thesis about a culture of fear in Bowling for Columbine, but he’s so goddamn insufferable and smug that he makes himself part of the story and ruins his own films.
Screw him.
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:06:40pm |
re: #337 austin_blue
Not me. I love a lively discussion.
You’re just a pugilistic pugnacious, … um, … Pug?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:06:50pm |
MAN, DID YOU HEAR WHAT SUSAN SARANDON SAID
NEITHER DID I AND I PROBABLY SPELLED HER NAME WRONG BUT I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT SHE EXISTS
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:06:53pm |
Of course, not every member of the GOP nor every conservative is nuts but I for one am sick of the tired old culture wars. I’m sick of hearing about people like Glenn Beck who like it or not are influential in conservative circles calling women who are raped who choose to get abortions eugenicists. I’m sick of people like Huckabee or Gingrich who make the fact that our president did not grow up in America out to be “proof” that he’s somehow unAmerican. I’m tired of people like Bryan Fischer who claim to be men of values yet trash Native Americans and wanting to stick their noses in to the lives of Gay and Lesbian Americans who just want to live their lives and enjoy the same rights in love that straight Americans can. I’m tired of hearing about how “hateful” the left is then being told that I am an immoral person because I am a liberal. I don’t hate conservatives. But I do hate that voices of reason in the Republican Party are derided by assholes like Rush Limbaugh as RINOs. I hate that a guy like Limbaugh is more influential than Dwight Eisenhower to your average conesrvative.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:08:07pm |
re: #349 austin_blue
You probably paid around 10% sales tax plus tip. Of course, you could always stiff the delivery guy to save money, but you might end up with some “additional ingredients” in your food next time.
Ultimate “Eeeew”.
I give him 50%, that is the deal I got with Gino.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:09:10pm |
re: #354 sizzleRI
I am honestly curious, what about the implementation bothered you?
Affirmative action bothers me, as does the way DoJ has misused police consent decrees. Those are my two biggest issues.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:09:48pm |
re: #335 Dark_Falcon
Well Medicare has become something of a boondoggle. But for a long time welfare was quite the boondoggle, as were many of the other social programs that emerged in the q960’s. The way public schools have been run into the ground in many cities is quite the scandal, and those cities are run by Democrats.
Civil Rights legislation was not a boondoggle as it was written, but much of its implementation was massively flawed and the left pushed that implementation. Again, to be clear, I’m not calling for changes to the Civil Rights acts themselves.
I honestly don’t believe you can speak with any authority on Medicare
Also, I’d like to state for the record that without “the left” there would be no civil rights legislation
Also, some members of the “left” have been murdered over the years in this so-called great country for being ni**er-lovers, so yeah
so count me among the “left”
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:10:44pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:10:57pm |
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:10:57pm |
re: #324 Lidane
Blame it on the idiocy of the modern Republican party and all the shit they’ve been pulling lately. It’s hard not to become hostile when your very existence is offensive to these people.
Just look at all the bills they’ve been proposing lately, and all the asshole behavior they’ve engaged in, then ask again why people are angry.
To be fair, DF is up in Illinois, not down here in Texas. I understand your rage, and agree with what is going on here. No way that Perry and the R’s can’t be blamed since they have run things since ‘94. But Illinois is different and DF should be cut some slack. Different political environment up there. We do (both sides) tend to broad-brush here.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:11:37pm |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
Affirmative action bothers me, as does the way DoJ has misused police consent decrees. Those are my two biggest issues.
hey, the worm is turning…
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:12:08pm |
re: #320 publicityStunted
Taqiyya truffles?
I didn’t see yours! Why, yes, yes we do have Taqiyya truffles. That’s what we decorate the Cakes of Deception™ with. Did I mention that all our pastries are made with only the finest fatwa flour?
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:12:26pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:12:28pm |
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:12:35pm |
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:12:49pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
What’s with you guys lately, anyway? You’ve become increasingly disrespectful to anything conservative. I feel like things have taken a turn for the worse here. I’m not blaming Charles, to be clear, but I feel a good bit less welcome lately.
Your frequent Union bashing posts go too far.
I like you Dark, but both my parents, and my brother are members of Public Sector Unions, so don’t try and tell me that they aren’t still needed….
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:13:04pm |
re: #368 austin_blue
To be fair, DF is up in Illinois, not down here in Texas. I understand your rage, and agree with what is going on here. No way that Perry and the R’s can’t be blamed since they have run things since ‘94. But Illinois is different and DF should be cut some slack. Different political environment up there. We do (both sides) tend to broad-brush here.
Thanks. Bill Brady aside, the SoCons aren’t nearly as influential up here. And the Dems are much worse in Chicago than they are in Austin.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:13:06pm |
re: #370 CuriousLurker
I didn’t see yours! Why, yes, yes we do have Taqiyya truffles. That’s what we decorate the Cakes of Deception™ with. Did I mention that all our pastries are made with only the finest fatwa flour?
Who cares about that?!?!
I heard “CAKE”
WHERE???
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:13:34pm |
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:13:37pm |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
Affirmative action bothers me, as does the way DoJ has misused police consent decrees. Those are my two biggest issues.
I feel differently but I understand having issues with those.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:13:46pm |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
Affirmative action bothers me, as does the way DoJ has misused police consent decrees. Those are my two biggest issues.
If that’s your biggest issue, affirmative action? You must have the most amazing life, free of all worries except what job a black guy or a woman got
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Political Atheist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:13:54pm |
re: #352 WindUpBird
Trying to add Farrakhan to my point? Really? Is that the best ya got…?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:14:29pm |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
Michael Moore On Wealthy People’s Money: “That’s Not Theirs, That’s A National Resource, It’s Ours”“They’re sitting on the money, they’re using it for their own — they’re putting it someplace else with no interest in helping you with your life, with that money. We’ve allowed them to take that. That’s not theirs, that’s a national resource, that’s ours.
Michael Moore is, and always been a massive douchebag.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:15:00pm |
re: #377 webevintage
JINX!
when she is in town she goes to my gym… I won’t tell you which branch, perverts!
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:15:15pm |
re: #359 Lidane
Michael Moore is a blowhard asshole. He had decent ideas for his films, like his thesis about a culture of fear in Bowling for Columbine, but he’s so goddamn insufferable and smug that he makes himself part of the story and ruins his own films.
Screw him.
Thank you. From a hard left viewpoint that is surely my own (moonbats hate me) I completely agree.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:15:19pm |
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:15:37pm |
re: #368 austin_blue
To be fair, DF is up in Illinois, not down here in Texas. I understand your rage, and agree with what is going on here. No way that Perry and the R’s can’t be blamed since they have run things since ‘94. But Illinois is different and DF should be cut some slack. Different political environment up there. We do (both sides) tend to broad-brush here.
But it’s not just about Texas. It’s the asshole in Georgia who wants to criminalize miscarriage. The other asshole who wants the death penalty for women who miscarry. The fanatics calling fetuses as “witnesses”. The congressional defunding of Planned Parenthood. The systematic hatred the national party has shown towards women unless they fit the Fox News fembot mode. The contempt by the GOP for public workers and their rights. The national party bending over and grabbing their ankles for the Koch brothers. I could go on and on.
This is about far more than just Texas. Yeah, I’m pissed at the GOP here but since I’m not a Republican, my voice doesn’t matter in this state anyway. It’s more a general sense of anger and frustration with these people. When did it become a crime to be a woman?
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:16:32pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:16:45pm |
re: #385 Lidane
But it’s not just about Texas. It’s the asshole in Georgia who wants to criminalize miscarriage. The other asshole who wants the death penalty for women who miscarry. The fanatics calling fetuses as “witnesses”. The congressional defunding of Planned Parenthood. The systematic hatred the national party has shown towards women unless they fit the Fox News fembot mode. The contempt by the GOP for public workers and their rights. The national party bending over and grabbing their ankles for the Koch brothers. I could go on and on.
This is about far more than just Texas. Yeah, I’m pissed at the GOP here but since I’m not a Republican, my voice doesn’t matter in this state anyway. It’s more a general sense of anger and frustration with these people. When did it become a crime to be a woman?
When Eve ate the apple.
/
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:17:11pm |
re: #381 Killgore Trout
Michael Moore is, and always been a massive douchebag.
I always love that when we’re bringing up actual elected Republican people with real jobs in government in leadership positions doing terrible things, Michael Moore shows up on 11 or less on three six sided dice
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:18:12pm |
re: #374 jamesfirecat
Your frequent Union bashing posts go too far.
I like you Dark, but both my parents, and my brother are members of Public Sector Unions, so don’t try and tell me that they aren’t still needed…
Different households, I guess. Neither of my parents have ever been in a union. I was in a union when I worked for Cingular, but its shameless shilling for John Kerry was infuriating for me.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:18:13pm |
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:18:31pm |
re: #376 Varek Raith
Who cares about that?!?!
I heard “CAKE”
WHERE???
It’s over there! *points to the right*
//Taqiyyah! *hides cake under chair*
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:18:38pm |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
Michael Moore On Wealthy People’s Money: “That’s Not Theirs, That’s A National Resource, It’s Ours”“They’re sitting on the money, they’re using it for their own — they’re putting it someplace else with no interest in helping you with your life, with that money. We’ve allowed them to take that. That’s not theirs, that’s a national resource, that’s ours.
where and when did he say this? do you have video?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:18:54pm |
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:18:55pm |
re: #389 WindUpBird
I always love that when we’re bringing up actual elected Republican people with real jobs in government in leadership positions doing terrible things, Michael Moore shows up on 11 or less on three six sided dice
I like Moore.
He stands up for the working and middle class.
I’m sure he has said douchey things…
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:19:50pm |
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Political Atheist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:20:08pm |
re: #393 engineer dog
Why yes I do…
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:20:15pm |
re: #383 austin_blue
Thank you. From a hard left viewpoint that is surely my own (moonbats hate me) I completely agree.
I don’t really know that many lefties that like Micheal Moore. I know they exist though. They must. I just don’t happen to know them. I do know a lot of righties who think that Moore is some sort of leftie god that all who are ‘left’ must bow down to or something. I find that amusing.
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:20:43pm |
re: #389 WindUpBird
I always love that when we’re bringing up actual elected Republican people with real jobs in government in leadership positions doing terrible things, Michael Moore shows up on 11 or less on three six sided dice
I have only one good thing to say about Michael Moore. He was fucking with the Westboro folks long before anyone else knew about them. The Sodomobile is the only funny thing he’s ever done.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:21:17pm |
re: #379 WindUpBird
If that’s your biggest issue, affirmative action? You must have the most amazing life, free of all worries except what job a black guy or a woman got
Biggest worry with the implementation of Civil Rights legislation, WUB. For clarity, here’s the exchange:
re: #335 Dark_Falcon
Civil Rights legislation was not a boondoggle as it was written, but much of its implementation was massively flawed and the left pushed that implementation. Again, to be clear, I’m not calling for changes to the Civil Rights acts themselves.
re: #354 sizzleRI
I am honestly curious, what about the implementation bothered you?
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
Affirmative action bothers me, as does the way DoJ has misused police consent decrees. Those are my two biggest issues.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:23:13pm |
re: #399 sizzleRI
I have only one good thing to say about Michael Moore. He was fucking with the Westboro folks long before anyone else knew about them. The Sodomobile is the only funny thing he’s ever done.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:23:14pm |
re: #390 Dark_Falcon
Different households, I guess. Neither of my parents have ever been in a union. I was in a union when I worked for Cingular, but its shameless shilling for John Kerry was infuriating for me.
Fair enough point on your part. I have to say DF what’s gotten me mad about the whole Wisconsin thing isn’t really the whole union thing. Yeah that frustrates me but I get mad when people act like government employees don’t work hard. Listen, I know this is only a personal anecdote but my mother came from a lower middle class family. And she and her brother were the first ever in their family to get college degrees. She’s gone from a secretary at the labor department to the chief of acquisitions at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. I’ve never seen anyone work more harder than her so I get a little ticked off when I hear someone say these “damned bureaucrats don’t work hard. ” I also tire of people putting down teachers and professors too. As a history major, many of my professors have inspired my historical imagination in ways I can’t even begin to explain.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:23:21pm |
re: #389 WindUpBird
I always love that when we’re bringing up actual elected Republican people with real jobs in government in leadership positions doing terrible things, Michael Moore shows up on 11 or less on three six sided dice
OK, what game are we playing? [grabs dice box and pulls out 1 pair each of red and green dice]
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:24:10pm |
OT but the Woodchuck Spring Cider is really good.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:24:14pm |
re: #390 Dark_Falcon
Different households, I guess. Neither of my parents have ever been in a union. I was in a union when I worked for Cingular, but its shameless shilling for John Kerry was infuriating for me.
Quite possibly, but Dark know this, my dad has been a FDA scientist for most of his life, after graduating from college.
My mom started out being a nice domestic home maker who volunteered at me and my brother’s elementry school library while we were going there.
As we got older in order to help make ends meet so that we could afford to go to good colleges she started working various computer network jobs at various schools and now she works a full 9 to 5 job also.
When you talk about how public sector unions are full of people who are getting more than they deserve you are insulting my family.
And to be perfectly honest I really doubt that the Virus Smiters 220 (or whatever my dad’s union may be) is all that political unless only one party in today’s political process cares about issues like keeping our food uncontaminated or adequately testing products before they go on the market….
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:24:19pm |
re: #399 sizzleRI
I have only one good thing to say about Michael Moore. He was fucking with the Westboro folks long before anyone else knew about them. The Sodomobile is the only funny thing he’s ever done.
He’s actually a good filmmaker! He’s effective, and Roger and Me was great. But then its like BLEAH, and there are better guys who should be doing that sort of documentary work.
It’s sorta like he’s Keith Olbermann, ad we want more Rachel Maddows :D
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:24:24pm |
re: #399 sizzleRI
I have only one good thing to say about Michael Moore. He was fucking with the Westboro folks long before anyone else knew about them. The Sodomobile is the only funny thing he’s ever done.
I liked older Micheal Moore, circa 10 years ago or so. Not too fussed about current Moore.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:24:35pm |
re: #389 WindUpBird
I always love that when we’re bringing up actual elected Republican people with real jobs in government in leadership positions doing terrible things, Michael Moore shows up on 11 or less on three six sided dice
I think Michael Moore is a fair comparison to somebody like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:24:44pm |
Michale Moore used non union help on his movies and pocketed millions… he is the type of hypocritical sot mentioned in the Bible… juss saying.
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:26:11pm |
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Political Atheist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:26:17pm |
re: #409 brookly red
I’m shocked, shocked I say…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:26:34pm |
re: #400 Dark_Falcon
Biggest worry with the implementation of Civil Rights legislation, WUB. For clarity, here’s the exchange:
re: #335 Dark_Falcon
re: #354 sizzleRI
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
The thing is dude, it’s civil rights legislation. However it is done, it is going to be ugly, because it’s using limited levers of power to push back against culturally indoctrinated racism, deeply held to the core by Americans. And that means stuff like affirmative action.
So going “it was handled poorly”, I just can’t accept that. In America, that it was handled at ALL in a strident way in that era is frankly amazing, given what it took and the history of America.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:26:37pm |
re: #409 brookly red
Michale Moore used non union help on his movies and pocketed millions… he is the type of hypocritical sot mentioned in the Bible… juss saying.
well they were union in Cuba, but not like that.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:26:57pm |
re: #408 Killgore Trout
I think Michael Moore is a fair comparison to somebody like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.
I’ll give you Rush Limbaugh… he’s never gone the full Beck to my knowledge however….
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:27:50pm |
Speaking of the Republican war on women:
That’s the kind of shit that makes me hostile. He’s concerned about deficits? Sure he is. Really.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:28:03pm |
re: #408 Killgore Trout
I think Michael Moore is a fair comparison to somebody like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.
Lacks the intensity and evil-mindedness. I’ll give you Dennis Miller.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:28:50pm |
re: #407 Jadespring
I liked older Micheal Moore, circa 10 years ago or so. Not too fussed about current Moore.
Actually Michael Moore was responsible for political conversion a few years ago. I went to see Fahrenheit 9-11 and was shocked at the story he told. I wondered why this stuff isn’t in the news papers. I came home and found it was very easy to check out his facts on the internet. It was all distortions, half truths and misleading selective information. Many of the bogus ideas he popularized are still widely held by lefties today.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:29:00pm |
re: #408 Killgore Trout
I think Michael Moore is a fair comparison to somebody like Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.
Limbaugh yes, Beck no, I put Beck on a level past Moore and Limbaugh because he’s not just GOP talking points, he’s right there muddling around in the bircher crypto-anti-semitism
Limbaugh, absolutely, Limbaugh and Moore are both Students Of The Game. They have their Sides, they play their Parts. Beck is running his own thing, different game, more nasty
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:29:24pm |
re: #406 WindUpBird
He’s actually a good filmmaker! He’s effective, and Roger and Me was great. But then its like BLEAH, and there are better guys who should be doing that sort of documentary work.
It’s sorta like he’s Keith Olbermann, ad we want more Rachel Maddows :D
I think the Keith Olbermann comparison is right. I was just really turned off by Bowling for Columbine. I found it very exploitive.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:29:49pm |
re: #416 Decatur Deb
Lacks the intensity and evil-mindedness. I’ll give you Dennis Miller.
Dennis Miller is an amateur compared to Michael Moore :D Savage is pro! Michael Savage actually (I think) is the most skilled conservative host in America
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b_sharp Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:30:06pm |
re: #412 WindUpBird
The thing is dude, it’s civil rights legislation. However it is done, it is going to be ugly, because it’s using limited levers of power to push back against culturally indoctrinated racism, deeply held to the core by Americans. And that means stuff like affirmative action.
So going “it was handled poorly”, I just can’t accept that. In America, that it was handled at ALL in a strident way in that era is frankly amazing, given what it took and the history of America.
Well put.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:30:56pm |
re: #418 WindUpBird
Limbaugh yes, Beck no, I put Beck on a level past Moore and Limbaugh because he’s not just GOP talking points, he’s right there muddling around in the bircher crypto-anti-semitism
Limbaugh, absolutely, Limbaugh and Moore are both Students Of The Game. They have their Sides, they play their Parts. Beck is running his own thing, different game, more nasty
Damn bird, I almost like you.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:31:15pm |
Honestly, I don’t know who a left equiv of Beck would be. I am not saying there can’t be one. I am merely saying that I am so tuned out of political talk commentary that I wouldn’t know. I prefer guys like Stewart/Colbert. They entertain and inform me. I like Stewart because I can watch him make me laugh but also sit down with an author, celeb, or whatever I like and talk intelectually. I loved his interviews with David McCullough, Willie Mays, and Frank McCourt off the top of my head.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:31:41pm |
re: #419 sizzleRI
I think the Keith Olbermann comparison is right. I was just really turned off by Bowling for Columbine. I found it very exploitive.
Yeah, it made all my friends who saw it before me when it came out sorta wrinkle their noses, and they were all basically liberals like me
I watched Fahrenheit 9.11 of course, but mostly because everyone was talking about it, so me and my partner got drunk and watched Fahrenheit 9/11! But we weren’t exactly taking it seriously, we meant to get drunk and watch loose change, but it seemed so tedious and boring we never did
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:32:23pm |
re: #422 brookly red
Damn bird, I almost like you.
They’re professionals, they wouldn’t be where they are without a certain level of detachment
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:32:24pm |
re: #419 sizzleRI
I was just really turned off by Bowling for Columbine. I found it very exploitive.
If the entire film had been his culture of fear thesis, it would’ve been much better. Instead, he got bogged down in bullshit theater that detracted from his main point.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:32:45pm |
re: #420 WindUpBird
Dennis Miller is an amateur compared to Michael Moore :D Savage is pro! Michael Savage actually (I think) is the most skilled conservative host in America
Savage seems serious. I was looking for “talented clown with a streak of dishonesty”.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:33:21pm |
re: #422 brookly red
Damn bird, I almost like you.
the big difference is that rush limbaugh is effectively the head of the republican party
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Political Atheist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:33:34pm |
Moore best exemplifies the extant class war mentality, and popularizes it like few others if any ever could.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:34:16pm |
re: #425 WindUpBird
They’re professionals, they wouldn’t be where they are without a certain level of detachment
I agree but I didn’t think you the one to say it…
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:35:23pm |
You know honestly what pissed me off about Moore was how he slammed Clinton for Kosovo in Bowling for Columbine then endorsed Wesley Clark. I didn’t get that at all. Hell I still don’t.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:35:35pm |
re: #428 engineer dog
the big difference is that rush limbaugh is effectively the head of the republican party
oh please.
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:35:46pm |
re: #412 WindUpBird
The thing is dude, it’s civil rights legislation. However it is done, it is going to be ugly, because it’s using limited levers of power to push back against culturally indoctrinated racism, deeply held to the core by Americans. And that means stuff like affirmative action.
So going “it was handled poorly”, I just can’t accept that. In America, that it was handled at ALL in a strident way in that era is frankly amazing, given what it took and the history of America.
I agree with this I know many African-Americans my parents’ age (55-62) who only went to college and then law school because of affirmative action. There is no question. Going from segregated rural South Carolina or rural Alabama to Brown University or UCLA in 1968 required huge push back. We can argue today whether that same push is needed or whether it should be more socio-economic than race based. But I can’t agree that it was unnecessary in the past.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:36:19pm |
re: #429 Rightwingconspirator
Moore best exemplifies the extant class war mentality, and popularizes it like few others if any ever could.
from my point of view it’s the entire republican party that exemplifies class war in action
but in demonizing high school teachers they may have jumped the shark with this project…
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CuriousLurker Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:37:13pm |
E gad, it was like 8:00pm a few minutes ago and now it’s 10:30! WTF?? This place is like some kind of wormhole. I have to go make dinner before it gets any later.
Have a nice night, everyone.
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bratwurst Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:37:28pm |
re: #429 Rightwingconspirator
Moore best exemplifies the extant class war mentality, and popularizes it like few others if any ever could.
Um, his last two movies haven’t exactly been popular…despite the 2006 and 2008 election cycles. He remains most popular as a boogieman for people to the right of Joe Lieberman.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:38:11pm |
re: #434 brookly red
oh please.
who is the head of the republican party?
who has been the one person who all republicans must genuflect to, and apologise to if they offend him, for over 20 years now?
who is more powerful in the republican party?
boehner can’t even get his troops together on his votes…
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:38:19pm |
re: #429 Rightwingconspirator
Moore best exemplifies the extant class war mentality, and popularizes it like few others if any ever could.
well yes & no… he was but today no body cares what he says. expect a melt down soon.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:39:11pm |
re: #439 engineer dog
who is the head of the republican party?
who has been the one person who all republicans must genuflect to, and apologise to if they offend him, for over 20 years now?
who is more powerful in the republican party?
boehner can’t even get his troops together on his votes…
I am… get over it.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:39:48pm |
re: #441 brookly red
I am… get over it.
so you admit there’s no republican more powerful than limbaugh?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:39:56pm |
re: #439 engineer dog
who is the head of the republican party?
who has been the one person who all republicans must genuflect to, and apologise to if they offend him, for over 20 years now?
who is more powerful in the republican party?
boehner can’t even get his troops together on his votes…
Who has an RNC chair apologize to him after he criticizes him? Maybe Limbaugh isn’t the effective chair of the Republican Party but he has a lot more influence in the GOP then Moore could dream to have in the Democratic Party.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:40:34pm |
re: #418 WindUpBird
Limbaugh yes, Beck no, I put Beck on a level past Moore and Limbaugh because he’s not just GOP talking points, he’s right there muddling around in the bircher crypto-anti-semitism
Limbaugh, absolutely, Limbaugh and Moore are both Students Of The Game. They have their Sides, they play their Parts. Beck is running his own thing, different game, more nasty
That I can agree with. Moore and Limbaugh ultimately have some l0yalty to their faction, and ability to work with others. Beck lives in a world all his own.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:40:45pm |
re: #164 RadicalModerate
Remember a few days ago when Mike Tobin from FoxNews claimed that someone punched him while he was reporting on the Wisconsin protests? The one where his cameraman conveniently had turned off the camera right before it happened?
Well, someone else was filming the FoxNews crew’s filming of the report. And guess what?
Confirmed: That Fox News Reporter Wasn’t Actually Punched By Protestors
Well, that’s good news.
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Political Atheist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:40:47pm |
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jaunte Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:41:05pm |
This is cool ( via Bad Astronomy)
At night… Noctiluca Scintillans produced a remarkable form of bioluminescence (popularly referred to as ‘phosphorescence’) – the water glowing brightly wherever there was movement – in the waves breaking on the shore, in ripples in the water and wherever people played in the water.
Bioluminescence: Gippsland Lakes in eastern Victoria
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:41:09pm |
re: #442 engineer dog
so you admit there’s no republican more powerful than limbaugh?
what is this admit BS, you watch too many cop shows…
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:41:23pm |
re: #167 zora
he is just giving the real american point of view. you may not understand it. perhaps you weren’t a boy / girl scout growing up. maybe you have never cooked squirrel in a popcorn popper. then surely you could understand huckabee’s motivations.
/
Well, my husband is an Eagle Scout. And he’s eaten squirrel, although not cooked in a popcorn popper.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:42:03pm |
I guess the thing that makes Limbaugh and Moore similiar is I can imagine both guys having friends on opposite sides off camera. Don’t know about Moore but Limbaugh has appeared in three Family Guy episodes. I hate the guy but I was really surprised he appeared in FG especially after a lot of people on the right went ballistic for it supposedly making fun of Palin’s son.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:42:08pm |
re: #439 engineer dog
who is the head of the republican party?
who has been the one person who all republicans must genuflect to, and apologise to if they offend him, for over 20 years now?
who is more powerful in the republican party?
boehner can’t even get his troops together on his votes…
He ot the GR passed and he is representing the party in budget negotiations. He’s got problems with his troops, but he’s working through those.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:43:00pm |
limbaugh gets his ass kissed like he’s the freakin’ godfather or something
nobody else in this country gets the capo di tutti capi treatment like that - he freakin’ owns the republican party
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:43:49pm |
re: #448 brookly red
what is this admit BS, you watch too many cop shows…
you had no other answer, eh, d00d?
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:43:59pm |
re: #385 Lidane
But it’s not just about Texas. It’s the asshole in Georgia who wants to criminalize miscarriage. The other asshole who wants the death penalty for women who miscarry. The fanatics calling fetuses as “witnesses”. The congressional defunding of Planned Parenthood. The systematic hatred the national party has shown towards women unless they fit the Fox News fembot mode. The contempt by the GOP for public workers and their rights. The national party bending over and grabbing their ankles for the Koch brothers. I could go on and on.
This is about far more than just Texas. Yeah, I’m pissed at the GOP here but since I’m not a Republican, my voice doesn’t matter in this state anyway. It’s more a general sense of anger and frustration with these people. When did it become a crime to be a woman?
Look, I understand your frustration, We live in the Peoples Republic of Travis County, a little blue pimple surrounded by a sea of red. If my wife and I, along with you and your sig other, got together on SoCo next week to see a kick-ass Finnish band during SXSoCo, We would probably agree on 90% of our beliefs. It would be fun! But this is a nation-wide board, and we shouldn’t broad-brush *all* conservatives as southern/TP whackos.
Cut some slack for the other. Just sayin’. Turning this board into a liberal echo chamber is just as stupid as Fox.
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:45:00pm |
GF wants me to take her for a walk… I suspect that walk will pass a liquor store. see you later, much later.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:45:21pm |
re: #451 Dark_Falcon
He ot the GR passed and he is representing the party in budget negotiations. He’s got problems with his troops, but he’s working through those.
acid test - can limbaugh criticize boehner and not apologize? yes
can boehner criticize limbaugh and not apologize? i’m waiting for him to try it…
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Interesting Times Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:46:27pm |
re: #412 WindUpBird
The thing is dude, it’s civil rights legislation. However it is done, it is going to be ugly, because it’s using limited levers of power to push back against culturally indoctrinated racism, deeply held to the core by Americans. And that means stuff like affirmative action.
So going “it was handled poorly”, I just can’t accept that. In America, that it was handled at ALL in a strident way in that era is frankly amazing, given what it took and the history of America.
A concise history of black-white relations in the USA (h/t SpaceJesus)
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:46:55pm |
re: #453 engineer dog
you had no other answer, eh, d00d?
We don’t have a leader we’re an autonomous collective!
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:47:39pm |
The incident re: Limbaugh that sticks out for me when Phil Gingrey, a Georgia Republican basically told Limbaugh not long after Obama was elected to stop being an armchair QB. Limbaugh acted like a jilted lover and started slamming the guy. And I think soon after, Gingrey came on Limbaugh’s show and apologized “for my poor taste in words.” I thought it was pathetic. I would never want to see a Democrat apologizing to a talk show host.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:47:39pm |
re: #451 Dark_Falcon
He got the CR passed and he is representing the party in budget negotiations. He’s got problems with his troops, but he’s working through those.
PIMF
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Political Atheist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:47:47pm |
re: #442 engineer dog
Limbaugh or Koch? Tougher call.
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Max Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:48:31pm |
re: #455 brookly red
GF wants me to take her for a walk… I suspect that walk will pass a liquor store. see you later, much later.
Ever considered getting a hamster?
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:48:47pm |
re: #459 HappyWarrior
The incident re: Limbaugh that sticks out for me when Phil Gingrey, a Georgia Republican basically told Limbaugh not long after Obama was elected to stop being an armchair QB. Limbaugh acted like a jilted lover and started slamming the guy. And I think soon after, Gingrey came on Limbaugh’s show and apologized “for my poor taste in words.” I thought it was pathetic. I would never want to see a Democrat apologizing to a talk show host.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Joe Lieberman apologizing for Jon Stewart for all he did to slow down and weaken healthcare reform….
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:48:48pm |
re: #454 austin_blue
Aren’t there other little islands of blue (or at least purple) in Texas?
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brookly red Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:49:19pm |
re: #453 engineer dog
you had no other answer, eh, d00d?
she has to wait…
What? what the f’ are you talking about who are you the District At tourney? What do I have to admit to? What is this cross examination? You watch too much TV, get over it.
now back to my walk;) see ya
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:49:27pm |
re: #457 publicityStunted
A concise history of black-white relations in the USA (h/t SpaceJesus)
Not really true. The states that advanced the most economically were states where slavery was outlawed (the north) and where the worst forms of segregation did not take root.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:49:43pm |
re: #464 ProLifeLiberal
To be fair, when not at college, I live in a blood red El Paso County in Colorado. I think it is something of an inverse.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:49:54pm |
re: #454 austin_blue
I know. I’m not mad at DF or anyone here. I’m just annoyed by what I see the national GOP doing and the various lunatics around the country attacking women, workers, and other groups. It’s infuriating.
I don’t want this place to become an echo chamber. Ever. I just have to vent about all this crap, especially after Luap Nor basically just told me that I don’t have a reason to get my degree because I can’t pay for grad school on my own.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:50:18pm |
re: #452 engineer dog
limbaugh gets his ass kissed like he’s the freakin’ godfather or something
nobody else in this country gets the capo di tutti capi treatment like that - he freakin’ owns the republican party
Yep…nobody ever criticizes Limbaugh from the right:
Rush Limbaugh went over the top yesterday imagining what’s going on here in Madison, Wisconsin.
…from noted conservative blogger in my home town.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:51:21pm |
re: #466 Dark_Falcon
Not really true. The states that advanced the most economically were states where slavery was outlawed (the north) and where the worst forms of segregation did not take root.
Dark the better question is… in states where slavery remained the longest, how stark are the divides between white people and black people on average, not how rich is a rich white Person in Georgia versus one in New York….
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:52:36pm |
re: #469 BryanS
Yep…nobody ever criticizes Limbaugh from the right:
Rush Limbaugh went over the top yesterday imagining what’s going on here in Madison, Wisconsin.
…from noted conservative blogger in my home town.
Way to miss the point dude.
Its not that Rush Limbaugh never draws fire from the right, it’s that he never draws any lasting fire from high ranking people on the right!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:53:00pm |
re: #470 jamesfirecat
Dark the better question is… in states where slavery remained the longest, how stark are the divides between white people and black people on average, not how rich is a rich white Person in Georgia versus one in New York…
However, that is not the picture that cartoon painted. I was arguing its accuracy, no more.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:53:23pm |
re: #468 Lidane
I just have to vent about all this crap, especially after Luap Nor basically just told me that I don’t have a reason to get my degree because I can’t pay for grad school on my own.
What did he say?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:54:13pm |
re: #214 brookly red
I never did get the estate tax? you make money, ok they tax it… you die they tax it again? wtf? something is seriously wrong with that concept.
Money is taxed when it changes hands.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:54:24pm |
re: #469 BryanS
Yep…nobody ever criticizes Limbaugh from the right:
Rush Limbaugh went over the top yesterday imagining what’s going on here in Madison, Wisconsin.
…from noted conservative blogger in my home town.
Good on him. That was clearly over-the-top.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:55:04pm |
re: #472 Dark_Falcon
However, that is not the picture that cartoon painted. I was arguing its accuracy, no more.
Yes, but bare in mind Dark to accept your interpretation is to ignore the fact that even after Slavery was legally eliminated in some Northern states, Blacks still faced lower wages and noticeable discrimination, also known as all the stuff we here in Maryland like to ignore while celebrating Union Victory Appreciation month this April!
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:55:46pm |
re: #477 jamesfirecat
Yes, but bare in mind Dark to accept your interpretation is to ignore the fact that even after Slavery was legally eliminated in some Northern states, Blacks still faced lower wages and noticeable discrimination, also known as all the stuff we here in Maryland like to ignore while celebrating Union Victory Appreciation month this April!
Agh, you have Union victory appreciation month and we have Confederate Month. You have better beaches than we do too!
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Interesting Times Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:56:13pm |
re: #466 Dark_Falcon
Not really true. The states that advanced the most economically were states where slavery was outlawed (the north) and where the worst forms of segregation did not take root.
These were hardly the only manifestations of racism that had a negative impact on black people and their economic opportunities.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:56:24pm |
re: #465 brookly red
she has to wait…
What? what the f’ are you talking about who are you the District At tourney? What do I have to admit to? What is this cross examination? You watch too much TV, get over it.
now back to my walk;) see ya
heheheheh…
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:56:38pm |
By the way this was the Limbaugh incident I was talking about:
Gingrey gained notoriety when he ran afoul of conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh in January 2009 when he criticized an editorial comment wherein Limbaugh accused the Republican leadership of appeasing popular President Barack Obama. Limbaugh stated on his radio program that “He (Obama) is obviously more frightened of me (Limbaugh) than he is of Mitch McConnell. He’s more frightened of me, than he is of say, John Boehner, which doesn’t say much about our party.” Gingrey then came to the defense of the Republican leaders, saying that Limbaugh should “back off” and further commenting “I think that our leadership, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, are taking the right approach. I mean, it’s easy if you’re Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or even sometimes Newt Gingrich to stand back and throw bricks. You don’t have to try to do what’s best for your people or your party.” Gingrey’s office was immediately flooded with complaints from Limbaugh’s followers, and he promptly arranged to appear as a guest on the Limbaugh show and apologized, saying, “Rush, thank you so much. I thank you for the opportunity, of course this is not exactly the way to I wanted to come on. … Mainly, I want to express to you and all your listeners my very sincere regret for those comments I made yesterday to Politico. … I clearly ended up putting my foot in my mouth with some of those comments, and I just wanted to tell you, Rush, and all the ‘conservative giants’ who help us so much to maintain our base and grow it and get back this majority that I regret those stupid comments.”[3]
Prior to the Gingrey/Limbaugh incident House Republicans had vowed to cooperate with Democrats on drafting the economic stimulus package.[4] One day after Gingrey was forced to apologize to Limbaugh a vote was taken on the stimulus package, with all 177 House Republicans voting against it. This prompted some to speculate that Limbaugh’s castigation of Republican leaders, and subsequent cowing of Gingrey had put the fear of a potential Limbaugh-led conservative revolt against Republicans into the Representatives, causing them to withdraw any support for the package. Observers painted this as a dramatic demonstration of Limbaugh’s influence on both the Republican base and the conservative American mind set.[5]
Hmmmmm.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:56:39pm |
re: #477 jamesfirecat
Yes, but bare in mind Dark to accept your interpretation is to ignore the fact that even after Slavery was legally eliminated in some Northern states, Blacks still faced lower wages and noticeable discrimination, also known as all the stuff we here in Maryland like to ignore while celebrating Union Victory Appreciation month this April!
I’m not questioning that, James. I’m just saying the toon was off-target. Just give me that and leave it, since I really wasn’t trying to say more than that.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:57:17pm |
re: #471 jamesfirecat
Way to miss the point dude.
Its not that Rush Limbaugh never draws fire from the right, it’s that he never draws any lasting fire from high ranking people on the right!
Now you’re splitting hairs. What high ranking person on the left gave lasting fire to any over the top comments that have ever come from the likes of Olberman or Shultz on MSNBC? It’s not something leaders of parties do. How many Democrat leaders have sent lasting fire in the direction of Al Sharpton when he was more of a bomb thrower?
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:57:26pm |
re: #466 Dark_Falcon
Not really true. The states that advanced the most economically were states where slavery was outlawed (the north) and where the worst forms of segregation did not take root.
That cartoon isn’t about states, at all. It’s about people & demographics. It’s about the aftermath of slavery, the Klan, the black codes, everything that made the civil rights struggle a necessity, all the subtle bullshit advantages built up over generations that affirmative action was designed to address. By distilling it down to some ignorant “not really true” assessment about slave states vs. non-slave states you just advertised a rank level of tone-deaf cluelessness.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:57:32pm |
re: #236 brookly red
so why would anyone making money & wanting to leave it to their children make their money here? think about it .
Because I live here.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:57:36pm |
re: #476 Lidane
Thanks.
What an idiot. How is getting a loan the same as being given someone’s wealth?
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:58:33pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:58:35pm |
re: #469 BryanS
Yep…nobody ever criticizes Limbaugh from the right:
Rush Limbaugh went over the top yesterday imagining what’s going on here in Madison, Wisconsin.
…from noted conservative blogger in my home town.
Read the comments. They have her conservative credentials in a shredded pile.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:58:40pm |
re: #483 BryanS
Question: does Al Sharpton have any real power in the Democratic party? Last I checked, both he and Jesse Jackson got marginalized back in the 1980’s, and Clinton pretty much cut the cord on bowing down to them when he ranted about Sister Souljah.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:58:55pm |
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 7:59:41pm |
re: #464 ProLifeLiberal
Aren’t there other little islands of blue (or at least purple) in Texas?
When the proposed change to amend the Texas Constitution to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman, Travis was the only county to vote against it.
Are there majority black and brown districts that elect Dems? Yes. But they are socially and religiously conservative.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
;-)
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jaunte Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:00:33pm |
re: #486 Jadespring
In Paulville, the wealthy can afford to wall themselves off from an ignorant and unhealthy population.
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:00:51pm |
re: #479 publicityStunted
These were hardly the only manifestations of racism that had a negative impact on black people and their economic opportunities.
And segregation was often de facto if not de jure. *cough* Boston *cough*
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:01:11pm |
re: #488 Decatur Deb
Read the comments. They have her conservative credentials in a shredded pile.
I’d say they were mixed. Beyond the obvious jokes about the subject of Rush’s rant…no need to repeat here…there were quite a few positive comments as well.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:01:23pm |
re: #482 Dark_Falcon
I’m not questioning that, James. I’m just saying the toon was off-target. Just give me that and leave it, since I really wasn’t trying to say more than that.
The toon was dead on target. It addressed the discrepancy in accumulation of wealth and access made possible by a century of white privilege.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:01:26pm |
I swear I will never see the appeal of Paul especially to people my age.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:02:21pm |
re: #496 HappyWarrior
I swear I will never see the appeal of Paul especially to people my age.
He’ll let you smoke weed if you give him your soul.
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bratwurst Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:02:44pm |
re: #489 Lidane
Question: does Al Sharpton have any real power in the Democratic party? Last I checked, both he and Jesse Jackson got marginalized back in the 1980’s, and Clinton pretty much cut the cord on bowing down to them when he ranted about Sister Souljah.
Shhhh….if you don’t believe, the Magical Balance Fairy won’t come!
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jamesfirecat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:02:47pm |
re: #496 HappyWarrior
I swear I will never see the appeal of Paul especially to people my age.
It looks something like this…
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:02:49pm |
re: #489 Lidane
Question: does Al Sharpton have any real power in the Democratic party? Last I checked, both he and Jesse Jackson got marginalized back in the 1980’s, and Clinton pretty much cut the cord on bowing down to them when he ranted about Sister Souljah.
Not since the 80s…but as a bomb thrower, Sharpton could flame away without criticism from the Dems.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:03:27pm |
re: #500 BryanS
Not since the 80s…but as a bomb thrower, Sharpton could flame away without criticism from the Dems.
Yeah. Because he hasn’t been criticized and/or ignored since the 1980s.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:03:38pm |
re: #497 Decatur Deb
He’ll let you smoke weed if you give him your soul.
I’ll smoke weed without giving him my soul thank you very much.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:04:35pm |
re: #499 jamesfirecat
It looks something like this…
Yeah it’s good shit, too bad we’d never be able to afford it under his policies.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:04:40pm |
re: #486 Jadespring
Thanks.
What an idiot. How is getting a loan the same as being given someone’s wealth?
Because taxation is theft, which means that government money is someone else’s wealth, which we don’t have the right to at all. Or something.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:04:54pm |
re: #468 Lidane
I know. I’m not mad at DF or anyone here. I’m just annoyed by what I see the national GOP doing and the various lunatics around the country attacking women, workers, and other groups. It’s infuriating.
I don’t want this place to become an echo chamber. Ever. I just have to vent about all this crap, especially after Luap Nor basically just told me that I don’t have a reason to get my degree because I can’t pay for grad school on my own.
Oh, I completely agree! Just, please, don’t take that frustration out on the people on the board.
Gently, gently.
Oh, and Ron Paul is a complete fruitcake, closely trailed by his son, fruitcake jr.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:06:36pm |
If I recall isn’t Paul a big beneficiary of pork?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:06:36pm |
It’s after 8 and I’m still working because I agreed to do some free cello repairs for a friend. When will I ever learn?
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:06:41pm |
re: #505 austin_blue
Oh, and Ron Paul is a complete fruitcake, closely trailed by his son, fruitcake jr.
Followed by FBV because you said “cake”.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:07:33pm |
re: #504 Lidane
Because taxation is theft, which means that government money is someone else’s wealth, which we don’t have the right to at all. Or something.
But aren’t gov’t education loans just loans backed by gov’t and not actually tax money but bank money? (not sure how it works down there)
And don’t loans make money into more money eventually as well?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:10:39pm |
re: #509 Jadespring
But aren’t gov’t education loans just loans backed by gov’t and not actually tax money but bank money? (not sure how it works down there)
And don’t loans make money into more money eventually as well?
Normally the loans are guaranteed, and tax dollars make up the defaults. The idea is to let banks make interest and taxpayers take the risk.
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jaunte Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:10:40pm |
re: #504 Lidane
Because taxation is theft, which means that government money is someone else’s wealth, which we don’t have the right to at all. Or something.
Unless we’re too big to fail!
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:12:17pm |
“Wealth” is so… how can I put this… maybe, Bronze Age.
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Varek Raith Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:12:21pm |
Laundry;
Tide goes on, stain comes out.
You can’t explain that.
Night all!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:12:25pm |
There’s a reason I don’t talk about race here. I do support the Civil Rights Acts and I do my level best to abjure racism entirely. And that’s all I’m saying about the issue.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:13:20pm |
re: #510 Decatur Deb
Normally the loans are guaranteed, and tax dollars make up the defaults. The idea is to let banks make interest and taxpayers take the risk.
Okay thanks. That’s what I thought they were. So really in Ron Paul world you’re only taking money that’s not yours if you default then.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:14:49pm |
re: #515 Jadespring
Okay thanks. That’s what I thought they were. So really in Ron Paul world you’re only taking money that’s not yours if you default then.
I decline to interpret Ron Paul.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:16:23pm |
re: #249 brookly red
but it was expected… the parents expected to give the fruits of their lifetime of work to their children someday. Why is anyone surprised that people don’t want to invest here?
As opposed to where?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:16:33pm |
I seriously think if Ron Paul had his way, we’d have society with virtually no upward mobility. People would by and large be stuck in their socio-economic group with little room to move upward becuase things like government loans for college students wouldn’t be allowed. And franky, I see crime especially property crime being high in the Paulian univesre.
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:18:47pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:19:00pm |
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:19:04pm |
re: #518 HappyWarrior
I seriously think if Ron Paul had his way, we’d have society with virtually no upward mobility. People would by and large be stuck in their socio-economic group with little room to move upward becuase things like government loans for college students wouldn’t be allowed. And franky, I see crime especially property crime being high in the Paulian univesre.
Luap Nor’s future = feudal Europe or a rigid caste system like the one in India.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:19:13pm |
re: #510 Decatur Deb
Normally the loans are guaranteed, and tax dollars make up the defaults. The idea is to let banks make interest and taxpayers take the risk.
The education loan system is a racket. As you say, the government (tax payers) take away 100% of the risk. And on top of that, student loans can never be discharged through bankruptcy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:20:01pm |
re: #286 brookly red
what a hater, the wealthy became that way for a reason … I don’t see you screaming to take the money of movie stars or sports figures.
Who’s screaming? Movie stars and sports figures also pay taxes.
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:20:54pm |
re: #519 Jadespring
Canada!!!
Well, if it wasn’t for the cold I’d probably move back there. I still think USA is really nice.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:22:29pm |
re: #311 webevintage
Indeed.
My dad, the saver, has in the past apologized that he is not going to be able to leave my sister and I as much money as he had planned when he goes on to his great reward.
It would never had been enough to be taxed, but still a nice amount.
BUT WTH dad…enjoy your money, go on trips and buy nice stuff for mom.
They are already generous and provided what we needed to make good lives for ourselves.
Spend what you can, leave the rest to a cat hospital in New South Wales…that’s my principal.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:22:43pm |
re: #521 Lidane
Luap Nor’s future = feudal Europe or a rigid caste system like the one in India.
That’s my impression. He seems to think if you’re poor, you’re screwed and tough shit. If people like him had their way, there’d be no GI Bill. And I would hope even among the most conservative of conservatives that is still seen as a good thing but it wouldn’t shock me to hear it denounced given how nutty things have become.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:23:18pm |
re: #518 HappyWarrior
I seriously think if Ron Paul had his way, we’d have society with virtually no upward mobility. People would by and large be stuck in their socio-economic group with little room to move upward becuase things like government loans for college students wouldn’t be allowed. And franky, I see crime especially property crime being high in the Paulian univesre.
Education is an absolute must to ensure upward mobility. I’m a fiscal conservative, but I come down on the side that government needs to ensure equal opportunity.
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:23:44pm |
re: #510 Decatur Deb
Normally the loans are guaranteed, and tax dollars make up the defaults. The idea is to let banks make interest and taxpayers take the risk.
Aren’t student loans coming directly from the government now? I know my FASFA submission this year was different. I thought that was the add on to the Healthcare Reform bill.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:23:46pm |
re: #321 brookly red
OK my dinner arrived… so how much of it do I owe to others?
Did you pay tax to the restaurant? You’re clear.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:24:16pm |
re: #522 BryanS
The education loan system is a racket. As you say, the government (tax payers) take away 100% of the risk. And on top of that, student loans can never be discharged through bankruptcy.
I’ll be paying my student loans back for at least 10 years when I graduate. Wage garnishments and all. Fun times!
But hey, I guess I don’t need them at all, since grad school is totally affordable when you’re in a full-time day major that makes work impossible.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:25:19pm |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
Michael Moore On Wealthy People’s Money: “That’s Not Theirs, That’s A National Resource, It’s Ours”“They’re sitting on the money, they’re using it for their own — they’re putting it someplace else with no interest in helping you with your life, with that money. We’ve allowed them to take that. That’s not theirs, that’s a national resource, that’s ours.
Michael Moore is a git.
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:25:23pm |
re: #531 Lidane
I’ll be paying my student loans back for at least 10 years when I graduate. Wage garnishments and all. Fun times!
But hey, I guess I don’t need them at all, since grad school is totally affordable when you’re in a full-time day major that makes work impossible.
I cringe when I even contemplate paying back my law school loans. Thank goddess for the LRAP.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:25:40pm |
re: #526 SanFranciscoZionist
Spend what you can, leave the rest to a cat hospital in New South Wales…that’s my principal.
Hey, I’m an NSW, happy to help out.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:27:39pm |
re: #352 WindUpBird
Michael Moore is a retard, who gives a shit
OH ALSO LOUIS FARRAKHAN HATES JEWS, HOLY SHIT THAT JUST HAPPENED, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!?!?!?!
We’re not so fond of him, either.
But having John Galliano, Charlie Sheen, and Julian Assange all speak up in one week was a bit dispiriting.
OTOH, the Pope has cleared us of the deicide charge, so, win some, lose some.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:28:53pm |
re: #521 Lidane
Luap Nor’s future = feudal Europe or a rigid caste system like the one in India.
Ding ding ding!
It’s The Virtue of Selfishness!
I wonder how how many Libertarians know that their muse was a Russian Jew from St. Petersburg? And how many of the TPs know it? Would it make a difference?
Enquiring minds, etc.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:29:23pm |
re: #387 Varek Raith
When Eve ate the apple.
/
Weren’t we supposed to get a break when Mary became the Mother of God?
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:29:40pm |
re: #526 SanFranciscoZionist
Spend what you can, leave the rest to a cat hospital in New South Wales…that’s my principal.
My Grandpa was a miser. He was so freaked about not having money that he saved and invested like crazy. Then he died and left a bit to my Dad and gave 10,000 to each of the grandkids. The rest was donated to various places. I didn’t expect anything from him at all so even that amount was a surprise. Beyond that I figured “What was the point?” In the last 20 years of his life he did nothing, didn’t go anywhere and basically stayed in his little complex. Then he died.
I thought it was pretty damn sad, but hey he had a big bank account when he left this world.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:30:52pm |
re: #535 SanFranciscoZionist
We’re not so fond of him, either.
But having John Galliano, Charlie Sheen, and Julian Assange all speak up in one week was a bit dispiriting.
OTOH, the Pope has cleared us of the deicide charge, so, win some, lose some.
Well, Pope Benedict did the right thing for the right reason. That’s rare in this day and age, so I’m giving him proper credit for it. Especially since he did just say the Jew-haters were wrong, he provided a detailed examination of the bible to show how and why they were wrong.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:30:57pm |
re: #414 jamesfirecat
I’ll give you Rush Limbaugh… he’s never gone the full Beck to my knowledge however…
He at least sounds robust, and not all panicky.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:31:25pm |
re: #529 sizzleRI
Aren’t student loans coming directly from the government now? I know my FASFA submission this year was different. I thought that was the add on to the Healthcare Reform bill.
Kinda:
[Link: www.cnbc.com…]
Under the reforms, the government now lends the money directly to students. Bypassing the lenders saves taxpayers billions of dollars in subsidies.
Sallie Mae, which has identified private lending as one of its main growth areas now that the government has taken over the function of originating loans, offers what it calls a “Smart Option Student Loan,” which carries an interest rate as low as 2.88 percent and allows students to lower their rates by paying interest while in school. The product also allows the loan to be forgiven in the event of the student’s death or permanent disability.
Not 100% sure what Sallie Mae’s role is in the new racket as a government sponsored entity. Perhaps they are the exclusive loan servicer for the government?
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:33:39pm |
re: #531 Lidane
I’ll be paying my student loans back for at least 10 years when I graduate. Wage garnishments and all. Fun times!
But hey, I guess I don’t need them at all, since grad school is totally affordable when you’re in a full-time day major that makes work impossible.
Depends on what you are doing for grad school. In subjects that require TAs, the pay is often enough to cover most if not all tuition at lots of schools, in particular large research universities.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:35:40pm |
re: #488 Decatur Deb
Read the comments. They have her conservative credentials in a shredded pile.
When Ditto-heads attack…
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:36:27pm |
re: #538 Jadespring
My Grandpa was a miser. He was so freaked about not having money that he saved and invested like crazy. Then he died and left a bit to my Dad and gave 10,000 to each of the grandkids. The rest was donated to various places. I didn’t expect anything from him at all so even that amount was a surprise. Beyond that I figured “What was the point?” In the last 20 years of his life he did nothing, didn’t go anywhere and basically stayed in his little complex. Then he died.
I thought it was pretty damn sad, but hey he had a big bank account when he left this world.
This is exactly it. All I want at this point is for my parents to be happy and enjoy whatever it is they want to enjoy. Many times that involves spending money on their children. My mom took me and my sister to Egypt two years ago. It was amazing and we all had a wonderful time. But she doesn’t owe me anything and if she’s going to spend/give money to me I’d rather we all enjoy it.
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:37:10pm |
re: #542 BryanS
Depends on what you are doing for grad school. In subjects that require TAs, the pay is often enough to cover most if not all tuition at lots of schools, in particular large research universities.
Saint Edwards didn’t do that for Lidane.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:37:23pm |
re: #489 Lidane
Question: does Al Sharpton have any real power in the Democratic party? Last I checked, both he and Jesse Jackson got marginalized back in the 1980’s, and Clinton pretty much cut the cord on bowing down to them when he ranted about Sister Souljah.
They’re both still around. I have a vague recollection of Sharpton doing something recently, but I can’t recall what it was. Jesse Jackson last crossed my mind when he was threatening to castrate Obama, and that was during the election.
I don’t think Sharpton has much pull at this point. Maybe on a local level.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:40:27pm |
re: #500 BryanS
Not since the 80s…but as a bomb thrower, Sharpton could flame away without criticism from the Dems.
Sharpton never held office did he? Unlike some bomb throwers from the 80s who come to mind.
Not going to defend Al, mind you.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:42:00pm |
re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist
They’re both still around. I have a vague recollection of Sharpton doing something recently, but I can’t recall what it was. Jesse Jackson last crossed my mind when he was threatening to castrate Obama, and that was during the election.
I don’t think Sharpton has much pull at this point. Maybe on a local level.
Jesse Jackson showed up at the Wisconsin protests early on. Even some of my liberal friends and acquaintances kinda scratched their heads and wondered why.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:42:23pm |
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Jadespring Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:42:42pm |
re: #544 sizzleRI
I’ve been working on my parents to loosen up a bit and take some trips. My Mom has dreamed about going to Europe forever. They could afford it now but habits die hard. Plus unfortunately as much as my Dad isn’t like his father was he still hears his Dad’s voice in his head about the horror of spending on such ‘luxuries’. Sometimes I’m tempted to take my power of attorney papers to the bank, withdraw the money myself and just give them the tickets. :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:43:56pm |
re: #548 BryanS
Jesse Jackson showed up at the Wisconsin protests early on. Even some of my liberal friends and acquaintances kinda scratched their heads and wondered why.
He’d like to be relevant, I suppose.
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sizzleRI Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:44:25pm |
re: #550 Jadespring
I’ve been working on my parents to loosen up a bit and take some trips. My Mom has dreamed about going to Europe forever. They could afford it now but habits die hard. Plus unfortunately as much as my Dad isn’t like his father was he still hears his Dad’s voice in his head about the horror of spending on such ‘luxuries’. Sometimes I’m tempted to take my power of attorney papers to the bank, withdraw the money myself and just give them the tickets. :D
Love that!
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austin_blue Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:46:00pm |
re: #544 sizzleRI
This is exactly it. All I want at this point is for my parents to be happy and enjoy whatever it is they want to enjoy. Many times that involves spending money on their children. My mom took me and my sister to Egypt two years ago. It was amazing and we all had a wonderful time. But she doesn’t owe me anything and if she’s going to spend/give money to me I’d rather we all enjoy it.
Exactly. The vast majority of us have no dog in the Estate Tax hunt.
It’s always amazed me that in 1993 Rush started barking on the “death tax” and his followers jumped on board, even though 98% of them would not be affected in any way, shape, or form.
I blame the mainstream media for not publishing the truth!
.5 /
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:46:15pm |
re: #547 SanFranciscoZionist
Sharpton never held office did he? Unlike some bomb throwers from the 80s who come to mind.
Not going to defend Al, mind you.
Nope, he never did. I was originally citing examples of people on the left that Dem leaders didn’t come out and denounce (among others I cited Olberman and Schultz on MSNBC, thinking about some of their rhetoric). The claim was made that Limbaugh is the leader of the Repubs because party leaders are afraid to denounce him. My claim was that party leaders generally don’t go out of their way to do that.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:48:16pm |
I’m going to knock off for the night. Thanks for the good talk, and for understanding how I feel. Good night, and God bless!
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:49:19pm |
re: #554 BryanS
They’re not just afraid to denounce him, they have to apologize to him if they offend them.
It’s really not comparable in the least.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:49:50pm |
re: #554 BryanS
Nope, he never did. I was originally citing examples of people on the left that Dem leaders didn’t come out and denounce (among others I cited Olberman and Schultz on MSNBC, thinking about some of their rhetoric). The claim was made that Limbaugh is the leader of the Repubs because party leaders are afraid to denounce him. My claim was that party leaders generally don’t go out of their way to do that.
I would say that the difference with Limbaugh is that he gets a weird level of deference. Michael Steele actually backed away from his comments about him. Although Newt did tell him off a while ago—did he stand by that?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:52:58pm |
re: #558 SanFranciscoZionist
I would say that the difference with Limbaugh is that he gets a weird level of deference. Michael Steele actually backed away from his comments about him. Although Newt did tell him off a while ago—did he stand by that?
This. This is what creeps me out:
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:53:18pm |
re: #493 sizzleRI
And segregation was often de facto if not de jure. *cough* Boston *cough*
Milwaukee was segregated to an extent that is mind boggling. Boston was pleasant by comparison. Different ethic groups were split to the block.
I recently heard the difference between northern racism and southern racism as this - in the North it was ok for a black man to be your boss but not live next door. In the South it was ok for a black man to live next to you but not to be your boss. That sums up what I’ve seen quite well.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:54:47pm |
re: #558 SanFranciscoZionist
I would say that the difference with Limbaugh is that he gets a weird level of deference. Michael Steele actually backed away from his comments about him. Although Newt did tell him off a while ago—did he stand by that?
I don’t recall the Newt thing. Ann Althouse, conservative blogger with some following, called Limbaugh out on some over the top rhetoric today. Not a leader of the party by any means, but just goes to show Limbaugh is not invincible on the right.
Steele had to back off because he was a weak party chair. Steele was constantly ticking parts of the party, and ticking off Limbaugh was just another in a series of moves he had to backtrack on.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:55:22pm |
re: #554 BryanS
Nope, he never did. I was originally citing examples of people on the left that Dem leaders didn’t come out and denounce (among others I cited Olberman and Schultz on MSNBC, thinking about some of their rhetoric). The claim was made that Limbaugh is the leader of the Repubs because party leaders are afraid to denounce him. My claim was that party leaders generally don’t go out of their way to do that.
so who is the leader of the republican party, then?
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:56:25pm |
re: #548 BryanS
Jesse Jackson showed up at the Wisconsin protests early on. Even some of my liberal friends and acquaintances kinda scratched their heads and wondered why.
He’s desperate for recognition? Most of the people I know who aren’t party hacks said “who?” and carried on with the protests.
I was more impressed that my bishop, Bishop Miller of the Episcopal Dioceses, came up from Milwaukee to speak.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:57:45pm |
re: #559 SanFranciscoZionist
This. This is what creeps me out:
This is the very same incident I was talking about earlier. It’s not so much that I don’t believe Republicasns and conservatives can criticize Limbaugh. It’s what happens if they do. The way Gingrey apologized was pathetic honestly.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 8:59:24pm |
re: #561 BryanS
I don’t recall the Newt thing. Ann Althouse, conservative blogger with some following, called Limbaugh out on some over the top rhetoric today. Not a leader of the party by any means, but just goes to show Limbaugh is not invincible on the right.
Steele had to back off because he was a weak party chair. Steele was constantly ticking parts of the party, and ticking off Limbaugh was just another in a series of moves he had to backtrack on.
I don’t know about ‘invincible’, but he has a pretty good pattern of Republicans in office or hoping to get back in not wanting to cross him.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:00:25pm |
re: #562 engineer dog
so who is the leader of the republican party, then?
For all intents and purposes, it’s Boehner now. When the Repubs were all out of power, it’s much tougher to identify that leader. Mitch McConnell was probably it before the recent midterms. He was the leader in strongest political position with his ability to affect legislation in the Senate much more than Boehner could do in a simple majority rules House.
Who was the Dem leader when Bush and Repubs had all branches of government?
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:01:12pm |
re: #542 BryanS
Depends on what you are doing grad school. In subjects that require TAs, the pay is often enough to cover most if not all tuition at lots of schools, in particular large research universities.
I’m getting an MBA. My program has me in school from 9-3pm most days, plus whatever I have to spend in homework/paper writing time. I don’t TA for anyone because that’s not how my program is structured.
Some folks are working at the companies that they’re going to intern with this summer, and a few folks are doing consulting work on the weekends and during our breaks to make some extra cash, but a steady income is hard. I’m living entirely on student loans right now. I’m even applying for scholarships for next year to try and defray my costs, but that involves tax returns and all sorts of financial disclosure to show need.
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:03:01pm |
re: #535 SanFranciscoZionist
We’re not so fond of him, either.
But having John Galliano, Charlie Sheen, and Julian Assange all speak up in one week was a bit dispiriting.
OTOH, the Pope has cleared us of the deicide charge, so, win some, lose some.
Galliano just makes me sad.
I have LOVED what he has done at Dior in the last few years…
Beautiful, glorious fashion that is new but reflects the early years of Dior.
I’ve always thought he might be a bit nuts, in a artsy diva way….not in a drunk Nazi way.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:03:09pm |
re: #565 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t know about ‘invincible’, but he has a pretty good pattern of Republicans in office or hoping to get back in not wanting to cross him.
He does have media power with his large number of listeners. I don’t know if such a media personality exists on the left. Olberman probably was the closest approximation. Never saw Dem leaders call him out when he spouted heated rhetoric.
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:04:24pm |
re: #566 BryanS
For all intents and purposes, it’s Boehner now. When the Repubs were all out of power, it’s much tougher to identify that leader. Mitch McConnell was probably it before the recent midterms. He was the leader in strongest political position with his ability to affect legislation in the Senate much more than Boehner could do in a simple majority rules House.
Who was the Dem leader when Bush and Repubs had all branches of government?
Daschle
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webevintage Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:06:36pm |
The Daily Show was pretty good tonight.
Right now he is interviewing Diane Ravitz about education and all the avarice being directed at teachers and he said “God forbid you do the job of a teacher for a year, it will blow your mind…those people have no idea.” His mom was teacher.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:07:35pm |
re: #569 BryanS
Olberman was irrelevant to Democratic party politics.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:07:48pm |
re: #570 mracb
Daschle
Yeah…the Senate would be the place where there would be a leader of the minority. If anyone doubts whether McConnell was an effective leader for the Repubs the past two years, they must not have noticed all the roadblocks Repubs put up to oppose the Obama agenda. That was all him—just as Daschle did for the Dems when they were out of power.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:10:34pm |
re: #571 webevintage
The Daily Show was pretty good tonight.
Right now he is interviewing Diane Ravitz about education and all the avarice being directed at teachers and he said “God forbid you do the job of a teacher for a year, it will blow your mind…those people have no idea.” His mom was teacher.
Never knew Jon’s mother was a teacher. I always liked this Frank McCourt quote about what it means in this case to be a high school teacher: “”In the high school classroom you are a drill sergent, a rabbi, a shoulder to cry on, a disciplinarian, a singer, a low-level scholar, a clerk, a referee, a clown, a counselor, a dress-code enforcer, a conductor, an apologist, a philosopher, a collaborator, a tap dancer, a politician, a therapist, a fool, a traffic cop, a priest, a mother-father-brother-sister-uncle-aunt, a bookeeper, a critic, a psychologist, the last straw.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:14:26pm |
re: #569 BryanS
He does have media power with his large number of listeners. I don’t know if such a media personality exists on the left. Olberman probably was the closest approximation. Never saw Dem leaders call him out when he spouted heated rhetoric.
I don’t know much about Olbermann. Went looking.
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:15:01pm |
re: #573 BryanS
Yeah…the Senate would be the place where there would be a leader of the minority. If anyone doubts whether McConnell was an effective leader for the Repubs the past two years, they must not have noticed all the roadblocks Repubs put up to oppose the Obama agenda. That was all him—just as Daschle did for the Dems when they were out of power.
I think it was to different degrees. The dems ahve never had much of a spine or self dicipline compared to Republicans. The Republican party is good at Lock-Step. The Democrats are an eclectic mix with no real organization.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:16:26pm |
re: #576 mracb
The Democratic Party is a smorgasbord of ideological and social relationships, barely held together by the cry “We’re not Republicans!”
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:17:15pm |
re: #577 freetoken
The Democratic Party is a smorgasbord of ideological and social relationships, barely held together by the cry “We’re not Republicans!”
well said
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:18:50pm |
What’s the quote? “I’m not a member of an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.”
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:19:10pm |
re: #579 mracb
What’s the quote? “I’m not a member of an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.”
Yeah, Will Rogers.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:19:50pm |
If the US were to switch to a Parliamentary system of government, today’s Democratic Party would dissolve into at least three different political parties:
(1) a Progressive/Green party whose strength would be on the West Coast.
(2) a Labor/Christian Democratic party whose strength would be in the older cities and states.
(3) a Socialist party which would have very few seats, from small localities like VT.
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:23:18pm |
oh and OT. I get to go out on a bay sail on a tall ship.
[Link: www.historicalseaport.org…]
If I could I’d take the “Passage: San Francisco to Eureka” but I can’t get the time off. I’m going to start searching for similar trips. “Passage: San Francisco to Hilo” would be perfect.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:23:34pm |
re: #575 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t know much about Olbermann. Went looking.
Yes, but someone else was arguing upthread the Limbaugh was the defacto leader of the Repubs because party leaders do not criticize him. No party leaders criticized Olberman—and yes I know Olberman got criticized by Stewert, but he isn’t a party leader either. I even cited a contemporary criticism of Limbaugh by a conservative blogger with a respectable following. Really, calling Limbaugh the party leader is silly. He’s just a headline grabber, and Obama’s strategy early on in his presidency where he tried to make Limbaugh the party leader failed miserably.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:24:34pm |
re: #576 mracb
I think it was to different degrees. The dems ahve never had much of a spine or self dicipline compared to Republicans. The Republican party is good at Lock-Step. The Democrats are an eclectic mix with no real organization.
I’d say Pelosi had a lot of discipline in the House. She ruled with an iron fist.
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:25:19pm |
re: #583 BryanS
Yes, but someone else was arguing upthread the Limbaugh was the defacto leader of the Repubs because party leaders do not criticize him. No party leaders criticized Olberman—and yes I know Olberman got criticized by Stewert, but he isn’t a party leader either. I even cited a contemporary criticism of Limbaugh by a conservative blogger with a respectable following. Really, calling Limbaugh the party leader is silly. He’s just a headline grabber, and Obama’s strategy early on in his presidency where he tried to make Limbaugh the party leader failed miserably.
to be fair I think he misspoke, “No party leader got away with contradicting Rush.” would be more accurate.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:25:25pm |
re: #581 freetoken
If the US were to switch to a Parliamentary system of government, today’s Democratic Party would dissolve into at least three different political parties:
(1) a Progressive/Green party whose strength would be on the West Coast.
(2) a Labor/Christian Democratic party whose strength would be in the older cities and states.
(3) a Socialist party which would have very few seats, from small localities like VT.
True. By the same token, the Republican party would fracture into at least these divisions:
1) Libertarian
2) Fiscal conservative, social moderate (Rockefeller Republicans)
3) Fiscal who cares, theocrats
4) Fiscal conservative, social conservative
5) a small handful willing to go full Monty & openly espouse Italian style fascism.
Be interesting to see the ruling coalitions in that case…
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:27:45pm |
I don’t want to rule the world, just my little bit of personal space —like my body.
How is everyone this evening?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:27:53pm |
re: #583 BryanS
Yes, but someone else was arguing upthread the Limbaugh was the defacto leader of the Repubs because party leaders do not criticize him. No party leaders criticized Olberman—and yes I know Olberman got criticized by Stewert, but he isn’t a party leader either. I even cited a contemporary criticism of Limbaugh by a conservative blogger with a respectable following. Really, calling Limbaugh the party leader is silly. He’s just a headline grabber, and Obama’s strategy early on in his presidency where he tried to make Limbaugh the party leader failed miserably.
I don’t agree that he’s the party leader. I do think he has a lot more power in the GOP than someone like Olbermann has among the Dems. At least twice, influential Republicans have had to publicly apologize for criticizing him.
And, of course, Limbaugh himself claims the title, IIRC.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:29:55pm |
I don’t think you can chalk this up just to Steele being a bumbler.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:30:40pm |
re: #574 HappyWarrior
Never knew Jon’s mother was a teacher. I always liked this Frank McCourt quote about what it means in this case to be a high school teacher: “”In the high school classroom you are a drill sergent, a rabbi, a shoulder to cry on, a disciplinarian, a singer, a low-level scholar, a clerk, a referee, a clown, a counselor, a dress-code enforcer, a conductor, an apologist, a philosopher, a collaborator, a tap dancer, a politician, a therapist, a fool, a traffic cop, a priest, a mother-father-brother-sister-uncle-aunt, a bookeeper, a critic, a psychologist, the last straw.”
I would still rather be a HS teacher than a Kindergarten or Pre-school teacher. Actually, I rather not be a teacher at all, but if I had to be, I’d choose HS.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:31:57pm |
re: #568 webevintage
Galliano just makes me sad.
I have LOVED what he has done at Dior in the last few years…
Beautiful, glorious fashion that is new but reflects the early years of Dior.
I’ve always thought he might be a bit nuts, in a artsy diva way…not in a drunk Nazi way.
Many of the very artistically talented are bat-shit crazy. I think it comes from seeing the world in a way the rest of world doesn’t.
I tend to suffer from it myself.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:32:37pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:32:55pm |
re: #590 ggt
I would still rather be a HS teacher than a Kindergarten or Pre-school teacher. Actually, I rather not be a teacher at all, but if I had to be, I’d choose HS.
Yeah I agree, I guess the gist of Frank’s point was that you have to be a lot of things when you’re a teacher. Being an older brother to a kid fourteen years older than you is similar in that way. Sometimes I have to act a sort of father for my youngest brother. Never had to do that for my other brother who is three years younger.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:35:45pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:37:13pm |
re: #594 freetoken
It’s associated with a series they have done:
[Video]
It’s really stunning. I’m only a few episodes into the series.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:37:48pm |
re: #589 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t think you can chalk this up just to Steele being a bumbler.
I think this suports your Rush fancies himself a big leader in the Republican PArty thesis. The guy seems to think he’s some guy who needs his ring kissed and if you don’t kiss it, you get the wrath of Rush. And quite franlky the criticisms Steele made of Limbaugh were right and it’s very telling how we always hear from Rush’s fans that he’s just an entertainer. Maybe they see him that way but Rush doesn’t seem to.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:43:32pm |
re: #596 HappyWarrior
I think this suports your Rush fancies himself a big leader in the Republican PArty thesis. The guy seems to think he’s some guy who needs his ring kissed and if you don’t kiss it, you get the wrath of Rush. And quite franlky the criticisms Steele made of Limbaugh were right and it’s very telling how we always hear from Rush’s fans that he’s just an entertainer. Maybe they see him that way but Rush doesn’t seem to.
Well, he is definitely just an entertainer—but that also gets used as a defense whenever he says something racist or ridiculous, or generally indefensible.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:43:40pm |
re: #566 BryanS
For all intents and purposes, it’s Boehner now. When the Repubs were all out of power, it’s much tougher to identify that leader. Mitch McConnell was probably it before the recent midterms. He was the leader in strongest political position with his ability to affect legislation in the Senate much more than Boehner could do in a simple majority rules House.
Who was the Dem leader when Bush and Repubs had all branches of government?
sorry, i was in transit
usually, the current or last president of the party is the leader. clinton continued to be the leader of the democratic party not only because of this, but because in actual fact nobody had as much authority to speak for the democratic party as he and carter had. and they continued to speak out and “lead” during the bush years
right now, however, bush is practically a memory. freepers and teabaggers routinely disparage him - he is a “closet liberal”. he certainly does the opposite of attempt to make his opinion known and assert his authority
if you frame the question a little bit differently, however, the answer to my question becomes unavoidable and undeniable: who is the most powerful person in the republican party? who has dominated republican opinion for more than 25 years?
it ain’t boehner
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:44:25pm |
re: #596 HappyWarrior
I think this suports your Rush fancies himself a big leader in the Republican PArty thesis. The guy seems to think he’s some guy who needs his ring kissed and if you don’t kiss it, you get the wrath of Rush. And quite franlky the criticisms Steele made of Limbaugh were right and it’s very telling how we always hear from Rush’s fans that he’s just an entertainer. Maybe they see him that way but Rush doesn’t seem to.
EGO!
Every year he makes more money so he thinks he has become that much smarter and better!
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:44:42pm |
re: #589 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t think you can chalk this up just to Steele being a bumbler.
Your linked article actually seems to include a quote suggesting a Republican leader directly criticizing comments made by Limbaugh:
Limbaugh has refused to back down. Speaking Saturday to a conservative convention in Washington, he said: “What is so strange about being honest and saying, ‘I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to restructure and reform this country so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation?’ Why would I want that to succeed?”
The words made some Republicans besides Steele flinch. Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the No. 2 Republican leader in the House, on Sunday seemed eager to change the subject. “Nobody — no Republican, no Democrat — wants this president to fail, nor do they want this country to fail or the economy to fail,” he said on ABC television’s “This Week.”
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:47:08pm |
On a totally irrelevant point.
do Michael Steele’s suits seem to be tailored strangely? Either he is bigger around the waist than he wants to be or he is packing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:47:43pm |
re: #600 BryanS
Your linked article actually seems to include a quote suggesting a Republican leader directly criticizing comments made by Limbaugh:
Oy. OK, the head of the RNC backed down and talked about what a great conservative leader Rush was, but Cantor merely brushed it off by saying that no one wants Obama to fail, so that’s all right then.
This really doesn’t strike you as annoying, that some idiot radio show host gets this much deference from real political leaders?
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:48:12pm |
re: #597 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, he is definitely just an entertainer—but that also gets used as a defense whenever he says something racist or ridiculous, or generally indefensible.
Funny that huh. You often see him high on lists of “influential conservatives” too. I am not suggesting that every single Republican or every conservative adores the guy but he does have more political clout in the GOP than a guy like Olbermann or whoever could dream to on the left.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:49:32pm |
re: #602 SanFranciscoZionist
Oy. OK, the head of the RNC backed down and talked about what a great conservative leader Rush was, but Cantor merely brushed it off by saying that no one wants Obama to fail, so that’s all right then.
This really doesn’t strike you as annoying, that some idiot radio show host gets this much deference from real political leaders?
He said No One wants THE POTUS to fail. He didn’t mention Obama by name. right? Which is entirely appropriate, IMHO. The implication is that the Party stands behind the POTUS regardless.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:50:17pm |
re: #599 ggt
EGO!
Every year he makes more money so he thinks he has become that much smarter and better!
Yes, he certainly is an ego maniac. I believe a phrase he used in the 90’s was he was God’s mouthpiece. Funny, I didn’t realize the almighty was a pompous right wing blowhard.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:50:28pm |
re: #603 HappyWarrior
Funny that huh. You often see him high on lists of “influential conservatives” too. I am not suggesting that every single Republican or every conservative adores the guy but he does have more political clout in the GOP than a guy like Olbermann or whoever could dream to on the left.
Which, in a sense, is very cool. 1st Amendment issues and all. People who are influencial aren’t dragged into prison or silenced.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:50:46pm |
re: #604 ggt
He said No One wants THE POTUS to fail. He didn’t mention Obama by name. right? Which is entirely appropriate, IMHO. The implication is that the Party stands behind the POTUS regardless.
Which is entirely the correct thing to say.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:51:03pm |
re: #598 engineer dog
sorry, i was in transit
usually, the current or last president of the party is the leader. clinton continued to be the leader of the democratic party not only because of this, but because in actual fact nobody had as much authority to speak for the democratic party as he and carter had. and they continued to speak out and “lead” during the bush years
right now, however, bush is practically a memory. freepers and teabaggers routinely disparage him - he is a “closet liberal”. he certainly does the opposite of attempt to make his opinion known and assert his authority
if you frame the question a little bit differently, however, the answer to my question becomes unavoidable and undeniable: who is the most powerful person in the republican party? who has dominated republican opinion for more than 25 years?
it ain’t boehner
Clinton really wasn’t much of the party leader after he left office. Both he and GW Bush were relatively low key. Bill Clinton stayed a little more involved, but he really didn’t carp much on Bush as I recall.
I kinda think Boehner is currently the most powerful Repub, and before that it was McConnell. Loudest does not equal most powerful. Neither McConnell nor Boehner are big on making ostentatious and inflammatory statements.
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jaunte Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:52:17pm |
re: #603 HappyWarrior
#5 on The Telegraph’s list:
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]
#1 in 60 Minutes / Vanity Fair poll:
[Link: www2.tbo.com…]
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:52:24pm |
re: #605 HappyWarrior
Yes, he certainly is an ego maniac. I believe a phrase he used in the 90’s was he was God’s mouthpiece. Funny, I didn’t realize the almighty was a pompous right wing blowhard.
Strange, I always thought the almighty was fiscally liberal and socially conservative. Since you can’t take it with you and all … .
blowhard —no, I don’t think he is a blowhard. he doesn’t have to be. …
he, she, it, whatever …
:)
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:53:04pm |
re: #606 ggt
Which, in a sense, is very cool. 1st Amendment issues and all. People who are influencial aren’t dragged into prison or silenced.
Oh I don’t think he should be dragged off to prison. I just think it’s sad that a man like him has the influence that he does in a major party.Let me put it to you this way, if I were a Republican and I had a guy like Rush Limbaugh as a popular person in it, I’d be fighting like hell to curb his influence. The guy makes conservatives look like bigots and assholes. I’m not someone who believes conservative=bigot. I am someone who believes your words and actions do and frankly Limbaugh’s have done just that for me.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:54:56pm |
re: #602 SanFranciscoZionist
Oy. OK, the head of the RNC backed down and talked about what a great conservative leader Rush was, but Cantor merely brushed it off by saying that no one wants Obama to fail, so that’s all right then.
This really doesn’t strike you as annoying, that some idiot radio show host gets this much deference from real political leaders?
It is annoying, and the left tried real hard to turn him into the leader of the party in an attempt to score political points. I think enough Americans can figure out Limbaugh is all bombast and provocateur that Limbaugh’s influence is self limited. Yeah, he can stir the pot, but so can Paris Hilton.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:55:47pm |
re: #611 HappyWarrior
Oh I don’t think he should be dragged off to prison. I just think it’s sad that a man like him has the influence that he does in a major party.Let me put it to you this way, if I were a Republican and I had a guy like Rush Limbaugh as a popular person in it, I’d be fighting like hell to curb his influence. The guy makes conservatives look like bigots and assholes. I’m not someone who believes conservative=bigot. I am someone who believes your words and actions do and frankly Limbaugh’s have done just that for me.
I think Limbaugh will do himself in eventually. He is not a healthy person physically. The addiction thing is difficult to live with —seems he has transferred it to food. I think his EGO will eventually take him down.
Sad, in a way, for a while there a few years back, I enjoyed listening to him as an entertainer. I didn’t take him seriously, but his outlook was humorous. Not so much anymore.
Frankly, I think his on-air persona has taken over.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:57:14pm |
re: #603 HappyWarrior
Funny that huh. You often see him high on lists of “influential conservatives” too. I am not suggesting that every single Republican or every conservative adores the guy but he does have more political clout in the GOP than a guy like Olbermann or whoever could dream to on the left.
Partly that’s because when Limbaugh got his following, there really was nothing else in the media for a conservative point of view. The liberal equivalents have never found the same following because there were already enough places to get that viewpoint.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:57:26pm |
re: #613 ggt
I think Limbaugh will do himself in eventually. He is not a healthy person physically. The addiction thing is difficult to live with —seems he has transferred it to food. I think his EGO will eventually take him down.
Sad, in a way, for a while there a few years back, I enjoyed listening to him as an entertainer. I didn’t take him seriously, but his outlook was humorous. Not so much anymore.
Frankly, I think his on-air persona has taken over.
I think down there somewhere there’s a guy who realizes that he’s being a horse’s ass. I mean as I said earlier, I was really surprised he appeared on Family Guy thrice and it was spoofing himself mostly. I have no idea how he is off camera. For all I know, he laughs at the dittoheads who take him as gospel.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:58:16pm |
re: #615 HappyWarrior
I think down there somewhere there’s a guy who realizes that he’s being a horse’s ass. I mean as I said earlier, I was really surprised he appeared on Family Guy thrice and it was spoofing himself mostly. I have no idea how he is off camera. For all I know, he laughs at the dittoheads who take him as gospel.
I think he laughs all the way to the bank.… .
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:58:32pm |
re: #614 BryanS
There were plenty of local talkers that were “conservative”. Hell, Art Bell was one of them.
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:58:56pm |
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 9:59:34pm |
And, it should be pointed out, Pat Buchanan had quite the media presence before Rush Limbaugh.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:00:03pm |
re: #619 freetoken
And, it should be pointed out, Pat Buchanan had quite the media presence before Rush Limbaugh.
bleh!
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:01:08pm |
And let’s not forget the father of exploiting the media for right wing rants: Father Coughlin, who came 50 years before Limbaugh.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:02:26pm |
To clarify: Coughlin was a populist. His rants were populism with more than a dose of extremism.
Limbaugh is more a populist than a “conservative”.
Beck is just a Populist.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:02:34pm |
Then there was this one little island …
Anti-Castro Uprising Unlikely In Unplugged Cuba
On Friday, authorities in Cuba will put U.S. contractor Alan Gross on trial. He’s facing a 20-year prison sentence, accused of trying to set up satellite Internet networks in a plot to undermine the government.Fidel and Raul Castro have been in power longer than any ruler in the Middle East, but Gross’s trial and other recent events on the island are a reminder of the differences between Cuba and Libya or Egypt.
Social media sites have been powerful organizing tools in the Middle East, but they are of little use to the small opposition movement in Cuba, the least-connected country in the hemisphere. When some activists tried to organize a protest through Facebook last week, no one showed up.
Long-time Castro critic Elizardo Sanchez argues that while Middle Eastern governments are autocratic, Cuba’s system is totalitarian.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:03:21pm |
re: #612 BryanS
It is annoying, and the left tried real hard to turn him into the leader of the party in an attempt to score political points. I think enough Americans can figure out Limbaugh is all bombast and provocateur that Limbaugh’s influence is self limited. Yeah, he can stir the pot, but so can Paris Hilton.
oh, i wouldn’t say that his influence is limited! do you have any idea what happens when rush is criticized? an army of millions of dittoheads get busy writing threatening emails and making phone calls
they vote, you know
that’s why the republicans in office always have to pony up mea culpas the very next day
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:04:11pm |
re: #622 freetoken
To clarify: Coughlin was a populist. His rants were populism with more than a dose of extremism.
Limbaugh is more a populist than a “conservative”.
Beck is just a Populist.
I’d say most talk show hosts are populists. With a conservative bend yes but populist. Coughlin’s whole appeal and Limbaugh/BEck’s seems to be “I’m one of you and understand your frustrations.” Of course, they aren’t and live like kings. Not knocking that life style mind you but they do live very different lives than their listeners.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:04:20pm |
re: #617 freetoken
There were plenty of local talkers that were “conservative”. Hell, Art Bell was one of them.
Never listened, but a quick wikipedia review of him and his show—paranormal themed show? Seems a bit wacko to me.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:04:54pm |
re: #619 freetoken
And, it should be pointed out, Pat Buchanan had quite the media presence before Rush Limbaugh.
Good riddance.
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freetoken Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:05:25pm |
re: #626 BryanS
Before that. Bell had a “libertarian”/conservative talk show out of Las Vegas. It was only when others started to ascend on the national scene of conservative talk radio that he switched formats, and discovered a gold mine.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:05:42pm |
I believe Morton Downey was really popular in the 70’s and 80’s.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:07:02pm |
growing-up, I always thought conservative talk radio was the farm reports.
hog prices today … .
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:09:34pm |
re: #616 ggt
I think he laughs all the way to the bank.… .
I wonder about that really. For a guy who hates liberals so much, New York sure is a strange place to live. I think when push comes to shove, Rush obviously is a conservative but he’s just stirring up shit. I think that’s pathetic honestly as is his whole gig. His right to do so of course and my right to think he’s a pathetic asshole. I think behind the scenes he’s probably fine with some liberals. No idea and frankly I don’t wanna know since I have no desire to meet and have drinks with Limbaugh even if we do share the same football team heh.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:10:32pm |
re: #624 engineer dog
oh, i wouldn’t say that his influence is limited! do you have any idea what happens when rush is criticized? an army of millions of dittoheads get busy writing threatening emails and making phone calls
they vote, you know
that’s why the republicans in office always have to pony up mea culpas the very next day
If Limbaugh is such a king maker, how did McCain get the nomination last time?
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Kruk Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:12:25pm |
Okay, I had to laugh at this:
Indiana’s top election official (the guy who’s supposed to make sure elections are run cleanly and fairly) has been charged with voter fraud. He’s of course entitled to the presumption of innocence, but it’s not a good look.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Oh, and guess which party he’s from? Hint: the one that makes a big deal about voter fraud.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:12:57pm |
re: #612 BryanS
It is annoying, and the left tried real hard to turn him into the leader of the party in an attempt to score political points. I think enough Americans can figure out Limbaugh is all bombast and provocateur that Limbaugh’s influence is self limited. Yeah, he can stir the pot, but so can Paris Hilton.
yeah, I am pretty sure Rush Limbaugh has the ability to do a lot more political damage than paris Hilton, but thank you for your partisan opinion
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:12:59pm |
re: #631 HappyWarrior
I wonder about that really. For a guy who hates liberals so much, New York sure is a strange place to live. I think when push comes to shove, Rush obviously is a conservative but he’s just stirring up shit. I think that’s pathetic honestly as is his whole gig. His right to do so of course and my right to think he’s a pathetic asshole. I think behind the scenes he’s probably fine with some liberals. No idea and frankly I don’t wanna know since I have no desire to meet and have drinks with Limbaugh even if we do share the same football team heh.
Funny enough, Elton John’s friendly with the Limbaughs.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:13:52pm |
re: #634 WindUpBird
yeah, I am pretty sure Rush Limbaugh has the ability to do a lot more political damage than paris Hilton, but thank you for your partisan opinion
Your welcome.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:14:03pm |
Terre Haute? Isn’t that where they send our Illinois Politicians?
‘Guantanamo North’: Inside Secretive U.S. Prisons
Prison officials opened the first CMU with no public notice four years ago, something inmates say they had no right to do under the federal law known as the Administrative Procedures Act.The special unit in Terre Haute contains 50 cells housing some of the people the U.S. describes as the country’s biggest security threats, including John Walker Lindh.
He was picked up on the battlefield in Afghanistan, after fighting on the side of the Taliban. Prison officials have never released the names of inmates in Terre Haute or in a companion unit in Marion. But an NPR investigation found out who some of them are.
The units’ population has included men convicted in well-known post-Sept. 11 cases, as well as defendants from the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1999 “millennium” plot to bomb the Los Angeles airport, and hijacking cases in 1976, 1985 and 1996.
Also under surveillance in the CMUs are men who have threatened officials from behind bars, ordered murders using contraband cell phones, or engaged in other communications that officials want to monitor.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:14:16pm |
re: #632 BryanS
If Limbaugh is such a king maker, how did McCain get the nomination last time?
Limbaugh doens’t have absolute power, he is simply incredibly influential, far more influential than any single other political commentator in America
But you know, continue to pretend he’s just like Paris Hilton 9_9
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:14:32pm |
father coughlin makes for an interesting comparison
he came to prominence in the early 30s attacking fdr and jews. for a few years in the mid 30s he was one of the powerful rabble rousing populist voices. his radio audience grew and grew
one day in the late 30s he made a speech where he tried to conjure up a new party that was supposed to rise up spontaneously in the next election and demonstrate the power of his movement. didn’t happen
within a couple of years wwii was on and the catholic church shut him up
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:14:38pm |
re: #632 BryanS
If Limbaugh is such a king maker, how did McCain get the nomination last time?
I don’t think Limbaugh cares who gets the nomination. I think he’s happier with a Democrat in office, to be perfectly honest.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:14:58pm |
re: #631 HappyWarrior
I wonder about that really. For a guy who hates liberals so much, New York sure is a strange place to live. I think when push comes to shove, Rush obviously is a conservative but he’s just stirring up shit. I think that’s pathetic honestly as is his whole gig. His right to do so of course and my right to think he’s a pathetic asshole. I think behind the scenes he’s probably fine with some liberals. No idea and frankly I don’t wanna know since I have no desire to meet and have drinks with Limbaugh even if we do share the same football team heh.
New York is a great place to live if you have the money Rush has.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:15:30pm |
re: #615 HappyWarrior
I think down there somewhere there’s a guy who realizes that he’s being a horse’s ass. I mean as I said earlier, I was really surprised he appeared on Family Guy thrice and it was spoofing himself mostly. I have no idea how he is off camera. For all I know, he laughs at the dittoheads who take him as gospel.
There was a bio piece in the NYT about a year ago where he came off fairly well until towards the end he went all paranoid on the article’s author. Very weird.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:16:33pm |
re: #635 BryanS
Funny enough, Elton John’s friendly with the Limbaughs.
And Bill Maher humped Ann Coulter, yippee who cares ;-) Limbaugh’s show is still racist and extremist and driving opinion among the duller side of the American political spectrum
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:16:36pm |
re: #640 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t think Limbaugh cares who gets the nomination. I think he’s happier with a Democrat in office, to be perfectly honest.
More fodder for his show! More money for him.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:17:27pm |
re: #640 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t think Limbaugh cares who gets the nomination. I think he’s happier with a Democrat in office, to be perfectly honest.
I’d agree with you there. He thoroughly enjoyed the Clinton years.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:17:58pm |
re: #640 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t think Limbaugh cares who gets the nomination. I think he’s happier with a Democrat in office, to be perfectly honest.
He makes more money, certainly, think of the outraged in the heartland that turned to Rush for solace when the scary black man usurped power, that’s AD DOLLARS
Wait for a democrat to gain office, then tar them with insane rhetoric and poison the dialogue with paranoia and tribalist othering! Fortunes can be made
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:18:06pm |
re: #632 BryanS
If Limbaugh is such a king maker, how did McCain get the nomination last time?
why did mccain have too veer so far to the right that he practically fell over, and why did mccain have to pick somebody like palin?
i’m willing to bet that you couldn’t locate anybody in a tea party gathering who wouldn’t praise limbaugh to the skies. the tea party embodies his part of the gop
they’ve told the regular republicans like mccain and boehner that they own them, and they’re on their way out
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:18:56pm |
THe point being that Rush is NOT one of the common people anymore. He has too much money, too much fame. He knows it.
Really, how much do we know about his personal life?
He uses his persona to make more money and he carefully protects it. He is using his audience as a tool to make more money and secure his position as an elite.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:21:02pm |
re: #645 BryanS
I’d agree with you there. He thoroughly enjoyed the Clinton years.
He’s enjoying the Obama years too. Just like the liberal comic writers enjoyed the Bush years heh.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:21:21pm |
I think a better comparison for Rush is Michael Moore on the Left.
Yeah, they are both just average guys … .with an extreme talent for manipulating an audience.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:21:30pm |
re: #647 engineer dog
why did mccain have too veer so far to the right that he practically fell over, and why did mccain have to pick somebody like palin?
i’m willing to bet that you couldn’t locate anybody in a tea party gathering who wouldn’t praise limbaugh to the skies. the tea party embodies his part of the gop
they’ve told the regular republicans like mccain and boehner that they own them, and they’re on their way out
Why’d McCain pick Palin? Because Limbaugh told him to? Conspiracy!!!11!!1
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Killgore Trout Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:21:41pm |
“You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”Marcus Aurelius
Namaste, y’all
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:22:19pm |
re: #643 WindUpBird
And Bill Maher humped Ann Coulter, yippee who cares ;-) Limbaugh’s show is still racist and extremist and driving opinion among the duller side of the American political spectrum
To be fair, I believe the point Bryan made was that Limbaugh off the mic is a different dude then we hear on the mic. That doesn’t take away from the fact he’s a huge turd. He probably weighs even more Courics than Bono does. Sorry in a South PArk frame of mind and I’ve had some beer.
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:23:13pm |
re: #650 ggt
I think a better comparison for Rush is Michael Moore on the Left.
Yeah, they are both just average guys …with an extreme talent for manipulating an audience.
That’s probably the best comparison, I’d agree. The manipulation angle is spot on.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:24:15pm |
Can we go upstairs and talk about something other than Rush?
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:24:42pm |
re: #653 HappyWarrior
To be fair, I believe the point Bryan made was that Limbaugh off the mic is a different dude then we hear on the mic. That doesn’t take away from the fact he’s a huge turd. He probably weighs even more Courics than Bono does. Sorry in a South PArk frame of mind and I’ve had some beer.
Thanx for the SP reference :)
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:25:26pm |
I have to say it was very sad the way McCain had to swing to the right. Limbaugh or no Limbaugh, I was sad to see a man who I once respected distance himself. It became almost humorous this past year when he claimed “I never said I was a maverick.” Uh yeah John you did, you and your campaign called yourselves the Maverick and the Barracuda. I mean I understand why he did it because McCain knew J.D Hayworth was sincerely nuts and probalby didn’t want him as senator anymore than you or I would but still.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:25:33pm |
i’ve been predicting the imminent breakup of the republican party into two or more mutually recriminating parties for years. other people have been predicting this as well
imagine my surprise to see it actually beginning last year when the teabaggers rose up
the regular republican party wants to nominate romney like they nominated dole and mccain, against the will of the baggers and their antecedants. the baggers hate him like sin. they explicitly declare that they have the right to run the republican party and they will be pissed if they don’t get somebody acceptable to them
which election cycle will cause the tensions in the republican party to be so great that it actually splits in two?
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:25:54pm |
re: #645 BryanS
I’d agree with you there. He thoroughly enjoyed the Clinton years.
Sure, because he had eight years of “AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE!!!11ty!!11!1”
I’ll bet money he doesn’t want Obama to lose in 2012, despite what he might say. Another term for Obama means another four years of being able to sell outrageous outrage to the rubes that listen to him.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:26:11pm |
re: #656 BryanS
Thanx for the SP reference :)
What can I say man, I am looking forward to the new season. I just know they’re going to do something brilliant with the Charlie Sheen situation. Just know it :).
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BryanS Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:26:19pm |
re: #655 ggt
Can we go upstairs and talk about something other than Rush?
checking out for the evening…all this Rush talk has me tired out. That, and it’s getting on 12:30am in my part of town.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:26:40pm |
re: #651 BryanS
Why’d McCain pick Palin? Because Limbaugh told him to? Conspiracy!!!11!!1
not conspiracy - overwhelming pressure from the base
and who is the leading voice and the most influential person in that base?
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:26:57pm |
re: #658 engineer dog
which election cycle will cause the tensions in the republican party to be so great that it actually splits in two?
2012 if they nominate someone that the teabaggers love and end up getting curbstomped worse than Mondale or Dukakis for their troubles.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:28:27pm |
re: #662 engineer dog
not conspiracy - overwhelming pressure from the base
and who is the leading voice and the most influential person in that base?
Does it matter? Obama has the 2012 election already.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:29:29pm |
re: #663 Lidane
2012 if they nominate someone that the teabaggers love and end up getting curbstomped worse than Mondale or Dukakis for their troubles.
Gonna be pretty hard to be stomped worse than Mondale was. I mean that was I’d say the worst showing ever. Yeah others have had less of the popular vote but Mondale came “this” close to losing his home state. Reagan’s advisers must have been so happy that they had an opponent that was actually dumb enough to admit he’d raise taxes.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:31:05pm |
re: #664 ggt
Does it matter? Obama has the 2012 election already.
looks good now but it ain’t did till it’s did
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:32:42pm |
re: #665 HappyWarrior
Gonna be pretty hard to be stomped worse than Mondale was.
True. Mondale was pretty damned pathetic.
The only reason I bring him up is because it was Mondale’s loss that started the come-to-Jesus moment for the Dems where they realized they had to dump the hippies and the far left in favor of a more centrist approach. It took a few years before Clinton rose up to carry that mantle, but the changes in the Democratic party started then.
I have a feeling it would take a loss of similar proportions before the Republicans finally jettisoned the religious fanatics and social conservatives and tried being more pragmatic.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:36:16pm |
re: #663 Lidane
2012 if they nominate someone that the teabaggers love and end up getting curbstomped worse than Mondale or Dukakis for their troubles.
Oh, please god, a teabagger Dukakis would be almost as much proof that you love humanity as beer and whiskey!
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:36:33pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:37:48pm |
re: #667 Lidane
True. Mondale was pretty damned pathetic.
The only reason I bring him up is because it was Mondale’s loss that started the come-to-Jesus moment for the Dems where they realized they had to dump the hippies and the far left in favor of a more centrist approach. It took a few years before Clinton rose up to carry that mantle, but the changes in the Democratic party started then.
I have a feeling it would take a loss of similar proportions before the Republicans finally jettisoned the religious fanatics and social conservatives and tried being more pragmatic.
Yeah I know. I hope you’re right. We need reasoned discourse in this country and despite my horror at their recent turn to the far right, I historically respect the Republican Party and would love to see them reborn as more reasonable party. It’s frustrating of course as I know you agree that they’re acting like such brats right now.
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:39:53pm |
re: #650 ggt
I think a better comparison for Rush is Michael Moore on the Left.
Yeah, they are both just average guys …with an extreme talent for manipulating an audience.
Nah, Michael Moore is pretty much a boob. As a lefty I really can’t stand his boring videos. He really doesn’t speak much for me at all. I certainly don’t cheer him on, I don’t watch his shit either.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:40:06pm |
re: #670 HappyWarrior
Yeah I know. I hope you’re right. We need reasoned discourse in this country and despite my horror at their recent turn to the far right, I historically respect the Republican Party and would love to see them reborn as more reasonable party. It’s frustrating of course as I know you agree that they’re acting like such brats right now.
I’m concerned that we won’t have a viable two-party (at least two) system in this country. One-party is not a good thing.
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engineer cat Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:40:26pm |
my theory is that american elections aren’t so much won as lost. and they are won and lost at the presidential level by persons, not parties
if democrats hadn’t had such unbelievably bad teevee performers are carter, mondale, dukakis, and gore, i don’t think this conservative movement would really have gotten nearly so far
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:42:28pm |
re: #673 engineer dog
my theory is that american elections aren’t so much won as lost. and they are won and lost at the presidential level by persons, not parties
if democrats hadn’t had such unbelievably bad teevee performers are carter, mondale, dukakis, and gore, i don’t think this conservative movement would really have gotten nearly so far
I think I subscribe to your theory. There are some years of course that are better for one party than the other but I do think a lot of it comes down to candidates.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:42:54pm |
re: #671 mracb
Nah, Michael Moore is pretty much a boob. As a lefty I really can’t stand his boring videos. He really doesn’t speak much for me at all. I certainly don’t cheer him on, I don’t watch his shit either.
I don’t know mracb. When Farenheit 911 came out he had his true believers.
He hasn’t been doing much lately (I think). I don’t give him any of my money so I don’t pay attention.
He and Rush are both fat and rich and don’t believe a bit of what they espouse. They laugh all the way to the bank on their “common guy personas”.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:44:45pm |
re: #674 HappyWarrior
I think I subscribe to your theory. There are some years of course that are better for one party than the other but I do think a lot of it comes down to candidates.
the economy and the emotions of the voters.
I think after 9/11 it would have been difficult for a liberal to win an election. People wanted to feel safe and secure. The Texas cowboy gave them that feeling.
In 2008 people wanted change and to forget, Obama wowed them and they voted for it.
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Single-handed sailor Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:45:23pm |
re: #675 ggt
I don’t know mracb. When Farenheit 911 came out he had his true believers.
He hasn’t been doing much lately (I think). I don’t give him any of my money so I don’t pay attention.
He and Rush are both fat and rich and don’t believe a bit of what they espouse. They laugh all the way to the bank on their “common guy personas”.
most likely on the “laugh all the way to the bank”…
I still don’t think many Democrats really followed MM. I think his following was to the left, probably in the Green party and other fringe left.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:47:26pm |
re: #677 mracb
most likely on the “laugh all the way to the bank”…
I still don’t think many Democrats really followed MM. I think his following was to the left, probably in the Green party and other fringe left.
Who voted … . .
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:48:26pm |
re: #677 mracb
most likely on the “laugh all the way to the bank”…
I still don’t think many Democrats really followed MM. I think his following was to the left, probably in the Green party and other fringe left.
You’re right in that I don’t think MM ever identified with a specific Party the way Rush does. But I think he made his choice clear —anti NRA, anti Bush etc.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:48:40pm |
If Moore had appeal in the Democratic Party, it was in the party’s left wing. MoveOn type people. But average Democrats like my folks meh not really.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Mar 3, 2011 10:51:07pm |
re: #680 HappyWarrior
If Moore had appeal in the Democratic Party, it was in the party’s left wing. MoveOn type people. But average Democrats like my folks meh not really.
I think people who used to consider themselves average Republican’s like my family think that way about Rush.
The difference is that the whacko fringe didn’t overrun the Democratic party.
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Lidane Thu, Mar 3, 2011 11:13:21pm |
re: #681 ggt
The difference is that the whacko fringe didn’t overrun the Democratic party.
If anything, the wacko fringe got pushed even further to the margins. The primary results for candidates like Kucinich shows that in spades. Hell, when Al Sharpton tried to run for POTUS in 2004, the only place he had any showing at all was in DC. The rest of the time, he couldn’t get out of single digits at all.
The far left fringe is just that— fringe. They’re not serious players in Democratic party politics, at least as far as electoral politics or influence.
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