Video: Rachel Maddow Goes to the NRA Convention
‘You can buy guns from a gas station’
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Achilles Tang Mon, May 9, 2011 3:03:11pm |
She didn't look very sexy there. But the blond she interviewed seemed to dig her.
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Four More Tears Mon, May 9, 2011 3:06:04pm |
re: #1 Naso Tang
She didn't look very sexy there. But the blond she interviewed seemed to dig her.
Maddow? You know she's... butch, right? Outside of the studio she always dresses in a masculine manner.
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:07:15pm |
Man, anybody else just have their eyes glaze over when people start talking gun law?
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 9, 2011 3:09:37pm |
re: #3 windsagio
Man, anybody else just have their eyes glaze over when people start talking gun law?
What? Sorry I wasn't paying attention.
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Political Atheist Mon, May 9, 2011 3:09:48pm |
re: #3 windsagio
If you don't have or want one sure. Past that it pays to keep up.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 9, 2011 3:10:26pm |
Is that Parker/Beth Riesgraf glomping Maddow at the start?
Screw it I don't care if it is or not, I've got a new ship!
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Achilles Tang Mon, May 9, 2011 3:13:42pm |
re: #2 JasonA
Maddow? You know she's... butch, right? Outside of the studio she always dresses in a masculine manner.
Yeah I know, but I like her studio look.
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:15:56pm |
re: #6 Rightwingconspirator
everybody knows my history with guns >>
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Political Atheist Mon, May 9, 2011 3:16:01pm |
Hang on Rachael. Yes two board members have an interest in selling magazines. But if high capacity mags are made illegal, they will cheerfully sell you twice as many low capacity magazines. These guys might make more money if the high cap ban happens.
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, May 9, 2011 3:16:41pm |
Well I'd grandfather Sarah Palin in for High capacity clips..
Apparently she can't hit the broad side of a barn when hunting...
/
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 3:17:25pm |
re: #1 Naso Tang
She didn't look very sexy there. But the blond she interviewed seemed to dig her.
That's John McCain's daughter, Megan.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:17:26pm |
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Kragar Mon, May 9, 2011 3:17:37pm |
re: #11 HoosierHoops
Well I'd grandfather Sarah Palin in for High capacity clips..
Apparently she can't hit the broad side of a barn when hunting...
/
THE BARN TURNED!
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:17:52pm |
re: #14 albusteve
I used to have an AK 47, it ended up in the hands of the police.
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celticdragon Mon, May 9, 2011 3:18:13pm |
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 3:18:33pm |
re: #11 HoosierHoops
Well I'd grandfather Sarah Palin in for High capacity clips..
Apparently she can't hit the broad side of a barn when hunting...
/
She's just lucky she finally hit that caribou before its heart stopped from all the barbiturates they'd force-fed it.
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celticdragon Mon, May 9, 2011 3:18:45pm |
re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
THE BARN TURNED!
I hate it when they do that. Ambulatory barns are a menace.
/
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:18:51pm |
re: #16 windsagio
I used to have an AK 47, it ended up in the hands of the police.
wow
that probably never happened before
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Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Mon, May 9, 2011 3:18:54pm |
This reminded me when we use to live in Wasilla Alaska they would have the big gun show every year at the local high school.
The High school sign would read: Congratulations so and so and then something about getting your tickets for the dance and then underneath in big letters GUN SHOW FRI-SAT-SUN!
We would drive by and laugh.
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 9, 2011 3:18:58pm |
re: #10 Rightwingconspirator
Hang on Rachael. Yes two board members have an interest in selling magazines. But if high capacity mags are made illegal, they will cheerfully sell you twice as many low capacity magazines. These guys might make more money if the high cap ban happens.
The question then is, how much do high capacity clips cost, and how much do two lower capacity ones cost?
You're assuming that it costs twice as much as a low capacity one, it might cost more (due to it being an out of the ordinary item) it might cost less (due to bullets being sold in bulk) if its the later or exactly the same then your point stands, but if its the former than it doesn't....
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:19:46pm |
re: #11 HoosierHoops
Well I'd grandfather Sarah Palin in for High capacity clips..
Apparently she can't hit the broad side of a barn when hunting...
/
if your shooting is poor, one needs to be inside the barn, accuracy will improve 100%
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 3:19:51pm |
re: #16 windsagio
I used to have an AK 47, it ended up in the hands of the police.
Don't you just hate it when the strap gets caught on the top of a fence while you're running for your freedom?
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jamesfirecat Mon, May 9, 2011 3:19:53pm |
re: #19 celticdragon
I hate it when they do that. Ambulatory barns are a menace.
/
MY entire adventuring party was once killed off by a gazebo.
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Varek Raith Mon, May 9, 2011 3:20:10pm |
re: #23 albusteve
if your shooting is poor, one needs to be inside the barn, accuracy will improve 100%
Lol.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 9, 2011 3:20:12pm |
It's nice to see a rational conversation on the topic.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 9, 2011 3:20:21pm |
I was quite impressed with how Ms. McCain held up her end of the conversation.
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Achilles Tang Mon, May 9, 2011 3:20:35pm |
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celticdragon Mon, May 9, 2011 3:20:39pm |
re: #25 jamesfirecat
MY entire adventuring party was once killed off by a gazebo.
A moose bit my sister...
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Kragar Mon, May 9, 2011 3:20:39pm |
re: #25 jamesfirecat
MY entire adventuring party was once killed off by a gazebo.
Obviously, you shouldn't have taunted it first.
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:20:52pm |
re: #17 celticdragon
when I moved I left it with my cousin (bad idea number one), and somebody called in that he was suicidal. In that circumstance they take all your guns.
Considering that he had no claim to mine and it was in the wrong state, he decided it was it better to not try to claim it... for which I do not blame him.
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celticdragon Mon, May 9, 2011 3:21:33pm |
re: #32 windsagio
when I moved I left it with my cousin (bad idea number one), and somebody called in that he was suicidal. In that circumstance they take all your guns.
Considering that he had no claim to mine and it was in the wrong state, he decided it was it better to not try to claim it... for which I do not blame him.
Did you try to go and get it, or was it not worth the trouble?
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Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Mon, May 9, 2011 3:21:38pm |
re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That's right. They are more scared of you than you are of them.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, May 9, 2011 3:22:18pm |
I fully support the right to own a gun. And I would like to see everyone that buys a gun should be required to receive training on how to use it.
This discussion made me think about this article:
[Link: arstechnica.com...]
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:22:53pm |
re: #33 celticdragon
Well I wasn't exactly sure how the laws work (I bought it in OR, but had left it in WA) so Ididn't wanna risk it. Also at least one of the other guns seized was almost certainly a hot handgun, so it was better to leave it alone.
I love my cousin, but he lives in some ways a dodgy life.
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celticdragon Mon, May 9, 2011 3:24:28pm |
re: #36 windsagio
Well I wasn't exactly sure how the laws work (I bought it in OR, but had left it in WA) so Ididn't wanna risk it. Also at least one of the other guns seized was almost certainly a hot handgun, so it was better to leave it alone.
I love my cousin, but he lives in some ways a dodgy life.
You would almost certainly spend more in gas and other expenses in recovering it in that case then you would to just replace it.
Lesson learned, I guess.
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Political Atheist Mon, May 9, 2011 3:25:14pm |
re: #22 jamesfirecat
Figure up to 3 to 1.
10 rounds is the usual low cap number. Of course the 30 rd magazine that was used in Arizona was not really for his gun anyway, intended for the full auto military Glock pistol. Too bad it fit. In any case the money issue is not so cut and dry as Rachael seems to think. BTW the 10 rd magazines tend to be expensive. I own a bunch of them as per California law and being a guy that goes to competitions that run you through 300 rounds by the time you finish. Like this. Pure sport.
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:25:17pm |
re: #37 celticdragon
yup.
Guns are really fun as toys. I think they're kind of silly, if not counterproductive for home defense tho'
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 3:26:11pm |
Megan McCain, you say? That's all I needed to hear. ;)
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Kragar Mon, May 9, 2011 3:26:26pm |
lulz
Barack Obama Sent Osama Bin Laden Two Bullets
Rush Limbaugh tagged Barack Obama in a note.
Rush Limbaugh - Obama’s speech was nothing but "me, me, me."
David Axelrod - Yeah, he should have put on a military uniform and like, stood on a boat with a shit ton of Navy SEALs, and maybe had like a big banner that said "WE DID IT," or something similar.
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:27:08pm |
re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Rush should NOT mess with this WH team. They eat pundits for lunch >>
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 3:28:06pm |
re: #39 windsagio
Shotguns. Invaders have been known to jump out of second story windows just hearing that distinctive cocking sound.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:28:26pm |
re: #39 windsagio
yup.
Guns are really fun as toys. I think they're kind of silly, if not counterproductive for home defense tho'
yep, everytime I'm about to be invaded, I announce "I'm armed!'...which is the signal for them to crash in and defeat me....wtf are you talking about?
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Lidane Mon, May 9, 2011 3:28:27pm |
re: #35 prononymous
I fully support the right to own a gun. And I would like to see everyone that buys a gun should be required to receive training on how to use it.
THIS. EXACTLY THIS.
I don't have an issue with guns themselves. I have an issue with idiots owning guns or keeping them improperly, like where kids can access them. There is no goddamn reason to own a gun if you don't know the first thing about how to properly shoot, clean, handle, store, and maintain a gun.
I'm absolutely in favor of mandatory gun safety training and time on a shooting range before someone gets licensed to own a gun. If we have to take driver's ed before getting behind the wheel of a car, why not require education and training before getting a gun?
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 9, 2011 3:29:24pm |
re: #35 prononymous
I fully support the right to own a gun. And I would like to see everyone that buys a gun should be required to receive training on how to use it.
This discussion made me think about this article:
[Link: arstechnica.com...]
There are nearly 800 responses (20+ pages) of comments to that. I'm 5 pages in and not one has mentioned Bananas yet.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 9, 2011 3:30:17pm |
re: #39 windsagio
yup.
Guns are really fun as toys. I think they're kind of silly, if not counterproductive for home defense tho'
Toys? The first thing they teach in gun safety is that they are NOT toys.
I have some toys here. They are yellow and orange plastic and spit out foam darts.
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:30:43pm |
re: #50 EmmmieG
They are in no way pracitcal tools. Otherwise its just semantics.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:32:26pm |
re: #49 windsagio
I thought you'd like that steve :D
I did...say something else
so when you defend yourself, you are escalating violence....maybe, what's wrong with that?
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freetoken Mon, May 9, 2011 3:33:00pm |
Interesting tidbits in this Gallup release today:
Support for Third U.S. Party Dips, but Is Still Majority View
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Political Atheist Mon, May 9, 2011 3:33:06pm |
re: #45 Lidane
I agree. I hope that is no surprise.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:33:15pm |
re: #51 windsagio
They are in no way pracitcal tools. Otherwise its just semantics.
yeah, words mean nothing all of a sudden...got it
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:34:11pm |
re: #53 albusteve
mainly that it can blow up in your face.
To use a counter example, if a cop stops you, and you pull a gun on them it escalates... and you end up shot.
Not equating the police with criminals of course, but its the same idea.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 3:34:25pm |
re: #48 windsagio
Home invasion robberies.
If you're extraordinarily lucky, like "win the lottery, get the girl, save the world, find a unicorn" all in one day kind of lucky, all they do is tie you up and still your shit.
If your just every day lucky, all they do is kill you and take your shit.
If your not very lucky, or maybe a woman, then they camp in your house for a few days and do things to you that make you wish you were dead.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:35:00pm |
re: #58 windsagio
mainly that it can blow up in your face.
To use a counter example, if a cop stops you, and you pull a gun on them it escalates... and you end up shot.
Not equating the police with criminals of course, but its the same idea.
goal post on wheels?....hahaha!
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 9, 2011 3:37:00pm |
re: #28 EmmmieG
I was quite impressed with how Ms. McCain held up her end of the conversation.
perhaps she should run for an office?
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:37:36pm |
re: #60 albusteve
wait what? The whole point of escalating violence is that violence escalates. You don't know what the other guy has :p
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, May 9, 2011 3:37:42pm |
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Lidane Mon, May 9, 2011 3:38:20pm |
re: #54 freetoken
Interesting tidbits in this Gallup release today:
Support for Third U.S. Party Dips, but Is Still Majority View
Translation: Both the Dems and the GOP suck, but none of the third parties are worth a damn either.
Too bad for everyone that the election laws in this country are rigged to favor the two major parties. People might want a third party, but the chances of making it easier for a credible third party to emerge are low, given the way the laws are written here in the States.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 3:38:24pm |
re: #61 reine.de.tout
perhaps she should run for an office?
I know a couple of positions she'd be perfect for.
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:38:45pm |
re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth
I know a couple of positions she'd be perfect for.
[Link: instantrimshot.com...]
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:39:47pm |
re: #62 windsagio
wait what? The whole point of escalating violence is that violence escalates. You don't know what the other guy has :p
you have described what kind of gun owner you are...dribbling your assault rifle from state to state, into the hands of an unstable person, then eventually to the police...why are you trying to give me advice?...you are irresponsible and dangerous
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Turkey Jihad Mon, May 9, 2011 3:40:13pm |
re: #2 JasonA
Maddow? You know she's... butch, right? Outside of the studio she always dresses in a masculine manner.
If Rachel was straight, I would be all over her. I think she's hot.
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Four More Tears Mon, May 9, 2011 3:40:48pm |
re: #68 Kid A
If Rachel was straight, I would be all over her. I think she's hot.
Totally agree with you. She makes me swoon...
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:40:54pm |
re: #67 albusteve
you have described what kind of gun owner you are...dribbling your assault rifle from state to state, into the hands of an unstable person, then eventually to the police...why are you trying to give me advice?...you are irresponsible and dangerous
you don't know the half of it man :p There's a reason I don't let myself have a library card anymore ;)
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freetoken Mon, May 9, 2011 3:41:26pm |
re: #64 Lidane
What drew my eye was that the Tea Partiers who are now so influential in the GOP are also so very supportive of third party concepts. It tells me that the GOP leaders will have to be careful not to see their "core" bolt.
National parties are going to be harder to control, I think. The US is now so large that our aging governance infrastructure is not fitting as well as it did when we were fewer.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:41:40pm |
re: #68 Kid A
If Rachel was straight, I would be all over her. I think she's hot.
did you ever get a I Dream of Jeanie woody?
how about Olive Oyl?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 3:42:04pm |
re: #68 Kid A
I don't find her attractive at all, but I do respect her. She's sharp, and good at what she does.
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Political Atheist Mon, May 9, 2011 3:43:14pm |
I would really like to see thorough enforcement of some of the laws we already have to cut down on gun crimes. When a felon tries to buy a gun and fails the background check he or she can be arrested. That's rare. When a guy buys heavy caliber rifles one after another after another, it's reasonable to check up on those guns. Start arresting the straw men. Put a little less resources into going after illegal drug dealers and get more good investigators after illegal gun runners/dealers.
Take Californians legal example and add lots of years to the sentence if a criminal uses a gun in another criminal act like robbery and rape. Add a decade. If he shoots (even if no one is hit), add 15 years.
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Turkey Jihad Mon, May 9, 2011 3:44:18pm |
re: #11 HoosierHoops
Well I'd grandfather Sarah Palin in for High capacity clips..
Apparently she can't hit the broad side of a barn when hunting...
/
re: #66 windsagio
[Link: instantrimshot.com...]
Sponsored by Goldline! Did you see that??
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:45:06pm |
re: #75 Rightwingconspirator
It's kind of a joke right now. The person I was talking about above got paid for doing a show once with a handgun. The number of guns outside the legal market/circles is truly insane.
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freetoken Mon, May 9, 2011 3:46:19pm |
Looks like today and tomorrow could be scorchers in the central part of the country:
[Link: www.weather.gov...]
[Link: www.crh.noaa.gov...]
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garhighway Mon, May 9, 2011 3:47:54pm |
re: #75 Rightwingconspirator
Take Californians legal example and add lots of years to the sentence if a criminal uses a gun in another criminal act like robbery and rape. Add a decade. If he shoots (even if no one is hit), add 15 years.
What has that done for California's rate of gun violence? (I'm not being snarky or argumentative, I am really curious. If it works in CAL, then by all means, the approach should be duplicated elsewhere. But if it doesn't work...)
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Turkey Jihad Mon, May 9, 2011 3:47:57pm |
re: #72 albusteve
did you ever get a I Dream of Jeanie woody?
how about Olive Oyl?
No, but Vera does the trick.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:48:16pm |
I think I'll drop this acid sitting here...maybe I'd relate better around here
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 3:49:06pm |
re: #81 albusteve
You'd better share.
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Decatur Deb Mon, May 9, 2011 3:50:03pm |
re: #81 albusteve
I think I'll drop this acid sitting here...maybe I'd relate better around here
What color is it?
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, May 9, 2011 3:50:30pm |
I hope it wasn't the same color as these peyote buttons...
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:50:51pm |
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:51:27pm |
re: #84 prononymous
I hope it wasn't the same color as these peyote buttons...
mmmmm....the best of the rest
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:52:18pm |
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:52:58pm |
re: #88 albusteve
" steve claims to never click images tho, I hope he doesn't miss it ;-) "
(from IM)
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:53:45pm |
re: #89 windsagio
" steve claims to never click images tho, I hope he doesn't miss it ;-) "
(from IM)
that's not true...just yours
don't make stuff up
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 3:54:15pm |
re: #90 albusteve
I'll be your slave for a week if you click it!
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:54:34pm |
what the hell is this?
[Link: drugrehabhelp.net...]
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 9, 2011 3:55:25pm |
re: #79 garhighway
What has that done for California's rate of gun violence? (I'm not being snarky or argumentative, I am really curious. If it works in CAL, then by all means, the approach should be duplicated elsewhere. But if it doesn't work...)
Very little, I imagine. But the comparisons between states of gun laws vs gun violence have always been specious and irritating. Obviously a place like Washington, an urban centre with restrictive gun laws, is going to continue to have high amounts of guns and ergo, gun violence when half an hour away are places with weak laws and high amounts of traffic in between. Obviously a sparsely populated state with lax gun laws is going to have less gun violence than a highly populated urban centre with stronger gun laws.
Increased penalties for crimes have worked in places like New York to reduce crime overall. Increased penalties for carrying guns, even if not used in the crime, have worked well in other countries, notably Britain and Australia.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, May 9, 2011 3:56:11pm |
re: #92 albusteve
what the hell is this?
[Link: drugrehabhelp.net...]
Who the hell knows? lol.
[Link: www.erowid.org...]
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jaunte Mon, May 9, 2011 3:58:49pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 3:58:52pm |
This one just doesn't get it:
America has lost the moral high ground, though. Beginning on September 11, 2001, collectively as a nation, we condemned the celebrations in the streets throughout the Muslim world. We denounced the carnival atmosphere in the Middle East as the World Trade Center collapsed. We cried for the murder of over 3000 innocent people. We said, how barbaric it was to celebrate death and destruction in that manner. Those people aren’t human, we declared.
Yet what did we do? Celebrate in the streets that Osama bin Laden was dead. We had a party. He was assassinated in his home in a raid that also killed several other men, possibly even one of bin Laden’s sons, and a woman used as a human shield. And we cheer. We dance in the streets. Who is barbaric now?
Probably shouldn't have celebrated the death of Hitler either. Pfft!
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 3:59:17pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:00:03pm |
re: #95 jaunte
Well, that's certainly comforting.
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Stanghazi Mon, May 9, 2011 4:00:11pm |
re: #92 albusteve
what the hell is this?
[Link: drugrehabhelp.net...]
Funny how the conversation jumped to Phil Jackson.
a response to Mavs coach Rick Carlisle’s suggestion that he would be meditating somewhere whilst smoking peyote in his retirement days. Phil felt the need to correct him on one thing. "You don't smoke peyote"
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:01:48pm |
re: #99 Stanley Sea
Funny how the conversation jumped to Phil Jackson.
you eat peyote raw...when it is most potent
but peyote can be dried and smoked, Phil
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 9, 2011 4:05:12pm |
Pakistan grants U.S. access to bin Laden widows
CBS News confirms Pakistan has informed the United States the ISI will allow access to Osama bin Laden's three widows who were left behind in the raid near Islamabad. CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports it will be "direct access," meaning U.S. government agents will be able to interview them, and not just submit questions.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:05:28pm |
check the archives for albusteve's Peyote Smoothies
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Vicious Babushka Mon, May 9, 2011 4:07:48pm |
re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth
This one just doesn't get it:
Probably shouldn't have celebrated the death of Hitler either. Pfft!
Another dainty moralizer. "Rejoice not at thine enemy's downfall," Proverbs 24:17. Yada yada.
Oh wait, what?
I was initiated into the Wiccan spiritual tradition as a First Degree in 1993. Over the years, I continued my studies and increased my involvement. In 2000, the members of OakSpring (www.HouseOfOakSpring.org) separated from Ravenwood to go our own way. In 2006, I became the High Priestess of OakSpring, with my husband serving as High Priest. OakSpring is large by Wiccan standards, and has been blessed to own and maintain our covenstead on 38 acres of woodland in the Metro-Atlanta area.
Like most Wiccans, my mundane life is similar to anyone else’s: I go to work each day (for a large engineering firm), bear with traffic, and go home to relax with my family and pets. Living a magical life isn’t always about the spells; it’s about living in a way that is harmonious with Nature, the Universe, and ourselves. I do my best to live in accordance with Wiccan principles every day of my life. I think that is the best way to show the world what Wicca is all about.
Isn't that special!
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:08:17pm |
re: #102 reine.de.tout
they are going through convulsions over there...probably a boatload of mistrust, but someone seems to be saying, don't piss off the US even more
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:11:08pm |
re: #104 Alouette
Isn't that special!
Indeed. There are some "woo woo" contributors there. The blog owner and her husband usually post some stuff worth reading, though.
But that opinion piece? Like I said, she just doesn't get it.
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 9, 2011 4:11:35pm |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, May 9, 2011 4:13:43pm |
re: #106 Slumbering Behemoth
Indeed. There are some "woo woo" contributors there. The blog owner and her husband usually post some stuff worth reading, though.
But that opinion piece? Like I said, she just doesn't get it.
"Have you looked at pictures of Osama bin Laden? He actually looks like a nice guy. And apparently he was very generous with his friends and family, a loving father, who built roads and schools and hospitals in areas that were poorly served. For some he was a humanitarian or freedom fighter."
What. The. Fuck?
I think I lost brain cells by reading that.
This Wiccanism must include ingesting shit tons of hallucinogens.
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:14:21pm |
re: #105 albusteve
they are going through convulsions over there...probably a boatload of mistrust, but someone seems to be saying, don't piss off the US even more
Actions speak louder than words...
"That last guy...he always talked tough but then went off and did stuff in Iraq, but this new guy...Obama? He doesn't do that...just walks right in and kills bin Laden and fucks our shit up without asking..."
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:16:24pm |
re: #109 darthstar
...just walks right in and kills bin Laden and fucks our shit up without asking..."
That "without asking" part made me chuckle.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:17:27pm |
re: #108 Alouette
Definitely not a member of any respected "Think Tank" or "Brain Trust".
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:17:27pm |
re: #109 darthstar
Actions speak louder than words...
"That last guy...he always talked tough but then went off and did stuff in Iraq, but this new guy...Obama? He doesn't do that...just walks right in and kills bin Laden and fucks our shit up without asking..."
yeah, for them to assume that GB dropped the ball would be ludicrous...might even cost you your life down the road...do they really think BO killed anybody?
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, May 9, 2011 4:18:20pm |
re: #108 Alouette
This Wiccanism must include ingesting shit tons of hallucinogens.
I can pretty much guarantee I have taken more than they have and even my brain isn't that scrambled...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:19:05pm |
re: #113 prononymous
Ditto that.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 4:20:03pm |
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:21:01pm |
re: #112 albusteve
yeah, for them to assume that GB dropped the ball would be ludicrous...might even cost you your life down the road...do they really think BO killed anybody?
Don't be a literalist...I was merely comparing the approaches of the two presidents...one talked tough and got distracted by his second war...the other had bin Laden killed while he was laughing at a reality TV star.
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windsagio Mon, May 9, 2011 4:22:53pm |
on a random note, train from PDX to SEA is 24$ right now. Who the crap would drive?
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, May 9, 2011 4:23:18pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:23:19pm |
re: #115 Walter L. Newton
Spying on me through my web cam again I see. Just can't get enough of my sexy third eye, eh?
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wrenchwench Mon, May 9, 2011 4:24:34pm |
re: #42 windsagio
Rush should NOT mess with this WH team. They eat pundits for lunch >>
Michelle won't let them have that one, though. Think of the triglycerides!
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:25:29pm |
re: #116 darthstar
Don't be a literalist...I was merely comparing the approaches of the two presidents...one talked tough and got distracted by his second war...the other had bin Laden killed while he was laughing at a reality TV star.
well, you sure know more than me about it
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:25:44pm |
re: #118 prononymous
Walt's just poking fun.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:25:51pm |
re: #117 windsagio
on a random note, train from PDX to SEA is 24$ right now. Who the crap would drive?
drug smugglers
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:27:27pm |
re: #121 albusteve
well, you sure know more than me about it
I probably know just as much as you do, and I don't know jack shit. But it is fun speculating on the internets about what I think I know.
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b_sharp Mon, May 9, 2011 4:27:30pm |
re: #35 prononymous
I fully support the right to own a gun. And I would like to see everyone that buys a gun should be required to receive training on how to use it.
This discussion made me think about this article:
[Link: arstechnica.com...]
I fully support the right to own a tractor, but I don't think I'd like to see them driven in the city.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, May 9, 2011 4:27:55pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, May 9, 2011 4:28:14pm |
re: #117 windsagio
on a random note, train from PDX to SEA is 24$ right now. Who the crap would drive?
Do you know how long the ride takes?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:28:32pm |
re: #126 prononymous
Yes you were, I saw you.
/
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:29:17pm |
re: #117 windsagio
on a random note, train from PDX to SEA is 24$ right now. Who the crap would drive?
Yes, but that's a wagon train, and the last one left four days ago.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:29:59pm |
okay everybody...heads up!
you all know what to do...
Image: File:I-90_and_I-5_cloverleaf_seattle_washington.jpg
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:30:57pm |
re: #129 darthstar
Yes, but that's a wagon train, and the last one left four days ago.
heh
good one
(do you think they have caught on yet?)
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:31:40pm |
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Linden Arden Mon, May 9, 2011 4:31:58pm |
re: #130 albusteve
okay everybody...heads up!
you all know what to do...
Image: File:I-90_and_I-5_cloverleaf_seattle_washington.jp g
can't be loaded.
I can't do a pic, btw - no criticism
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, May 9, 2011 4:32:10pm |
re: #125 b_sharp
I fully support the right to own a tractor, but I don't think I'd like to see them driven in the city.
I agree.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:32:35pm |
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:32:41pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:32:53pm |
re: #130 albusteve
That thing sure was fun. Fast Lane exists are awesome./
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:33:01pm |
re: #135 albusteve
the shame...
Image: File:I-90_and_I-5_cloverleaf_seattle_washington.jp g
fuck you wiki
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Spocomptonite Mon, May 9, 2011 4:33:32pm |
re: #117 windsagio
I'm flying to China via Vancouver BC in June. I was going to take a bus to the airport, but Amtrak + Skytrain combined is under $20. Literally did a double take.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, May 9, 2011 4:33:57pm |
re: #117 windsagio
on a random note, train from PDX to SEA is 24$ right now. Who the crap would drive?
Anyone with a hankerin' to stop at the Rib Eye in Chehalis, grub up and get some pull tabs.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:34:00pm |
re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth
That thing sure was fun. Fast Lane exists are awesome./
scroll down to the aerial view of I-5
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 4:34:07pm |
re: #138 albusteve
fuck you wiki
Steve... you have an extra space in the letters... "jp g" look at the URL.
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:34:15pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:34:17pm |
re: #139 Spocomptonite
Gonna go see the Forbidden Palace? I'd sure like to check that out myself.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 9, 2011 4:34:28pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:35:25pm |
re: #141 albusteve
I lived up there for a few years. Surprisingly bad drivers when the road gets wet.
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:35:33pm |
re: #145 ProLifeLiberal
I got great news from Tripoli:
This may end soon.
Defecting security forces is a good sign.
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:36:01pm |
re: #146 Slumbering Behemoth
I lived up there for a few years. Surprisingly bad drivers when the road gets wet.
And slower than the second coming...when it rains, everyone drops to 40 mph...and it rains a lot.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:36:09pm |
re: #142 Walter L. Newton
Steve... you have an extra space in the letters... "jp g" look at the URL.
my game is way off bro...oh well
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ProGunLiberal Mon, May 9, 2011 4:36:17pm |
re: #147 darthstar
Waiting for the lamppost to come in.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:37:26pm |
re: #148 darthstar
I got rear-ended twice in the same week. Lucky for the offenders that I drove a beater and didn't sweat them for so much as a penny.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 4:40:24pm |
Fuck... first yellow jacket (wasp) of the season, buzzing in my office. Dammit... I hate those things... I don't mind honey bees, bumble bees, sweat bees, most bees... cause they don't tend to be looking for a fight... but fucking yellow jackets, they are too aggressive... they want to find something to sting and then die... fucking little kamikaze things.
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:41:48pm |
re: #152 Walter L. Newton
Fuck... first yellow jacket (wasp) of the season, buzzing in my office. Dammit... I hate those things... I don't mind honey bees, bumble bees, sweat bees, most bees... cause they don't tend to be looking for a fight... but fucking yellow jackets, they are too aggressive... they want to find something to sting and then die... fucking little kamikaze things.
The great thing about yellow jackets is that they retain their stinger, so they don't actually die after they sting (unlike the honey bee). So while you think the thing is too aggressive, just feel good knowing that it can sting you several times, go up to a rafter to rest for a while, then come back and sting you again later.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 4:42:03pm |
re: #149 albusteve
my game is way off bro...oh well
Support brought to you by Rocky Mountain Computer Geeks... "we're so high we can fix anything."
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Political Atheist Mon, May 9, 2011 4:42:34pm |
re: #79 garhighway
Our most drug ridden violent areas are still our most violent areas. Crooks got guns. Because California is so very strict as compared to say Florida, Louisiana or Texas our gun owners are pretty fierce about their rights and their skills.
We still have a ten round limit.
"Assault Guns" (a misnomer but I digress) are banned here.
No full auto guns.
No laser sights on rifles.
Possession of a high capacity magazine will likely get you jailed at least until you post bail.
We still have a ten day wait to buy a gun. Even though a background check takes mere minutes.
Guns long tested and approved approved for cops and the military are subjected to destructive "safety" testing by the state before they can be sold. The smallest change like adding a rail for alternative sights forces another round of destructive testing. Even changing the finish can cause that to happen.
Comparing gun violence in California might be interesting. Unfortunately areas with the highest gun crime rates are often areas with the strictest anti gun laws. Not always. To me the gun violence seems drug crime driven not gun density driven.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:43:00pm |
re: #152 Walter L. Newton
Fuck... first yellow jacket (wasp) of the season, buzzing in my office. Dammit... I hate those things... I don't mind honey bees, bumble bees, sweat bees, most bees... cause they don't tend to be looking for a fight... but fucking yellow jackets, they are too aggressive... they want to find something to sting and then die... fucking little kamikaze things.
you should scout around outside and try to find the nest and kill all of them...I used to stalk those fuckers like a ninja to get my bone
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 4:43:02pm |
re: #153 darthstar
The great thing about yellow jackets is that they retain their stinger, so they don't actually die after they sting (unlike the honey bee). So while you think the thing is too aggressive, just feel good knowing that it can sting you several times, go up to a rafter to rest for a while, then come back and sting you again later.
You're wrong... they die because if the manage to sting me, at that point I'll go all postal on them, no matter how many times they try to sting back, they are going to DIE.
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Spocomptonite Mon, May 9, 2011 4:43:05pm |
re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth
Gonna go see the Forbidden Palace? I'd sure like to check that out myself.
Main attraction is my friend's wedding, but my hotel is a couple blocks from, and supposedly with a view of, Tienanmen Square. And the Forbidden Palace is right there, too. I'm stoked.
There's only two things that give me pause:
1) The limit of my Chinese vocabulary is, "Nihau."
2) I'm still injured from my bike/truck accident and I'm nowhere near the point of settlement so I may go to China broke. :(
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:43:31pm |
re: #157 Walter L. Newton
You're wrong... they die because if the manage to sting me, at that point I'll go all postal on them, no matter how many times they try to sting back, they are going to DIE.
When you're talking tough to an insect, you've already lost.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:43:37pm |
re: #154 Walter L. Newton
Support brought to you by Rocky Mountain Computer Geeks... "we're so high we can fix anything."
can you fix a race?
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:45:43pm |
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:46:20pm |
re: #158 Spocomptonite
Main attraction is my friend's wedding, but my hotel is a couple blocks from, and supposedly with a view of, Tienanmen Square. And the Forbidden Palace is right there, too. I'm stoked.
There's only two things that give me pause:
1) The limit of my Chinese vocabulary is, "Nihau."
2) I'm still injured from my bike/truck accident and I'm nowhere near the point of settlement so I may go to China broke. :(
say hello to Mao for me
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freetoken Mon, May 9, 2011 4:47:27pm |
For our viewing pleasure, no doubt:
Bristol Palin lands her own TV reality show
Single mom Bristol Palin has landed her own reality TV show, and producers say she will allow cameras "exclusive access" into her personal life for the first time.The small U.S. BIO cable channel said on Monday it had ordered 10 half-hour episodes of a documentary series that will follow Palin and her two year-old son Tripp as they move to Los Angeles and work for a small charity there.
[...]
The suspense is killing me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:49:28pm |
re: #152 Walter L. Newton
Jumped backwards off the top of a roof ladder once when one of those things landed next to my hand.
Completely instinctive. I was standing there looking at the ladder a few seconds before I realized I just pulled off a Spider-Man move.
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Spocomptonite Mon, May 9, 2011 4:50:02pm |
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:50:11pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 4:50:27pm |
re: #159 darthstar
When you're talking tough to an insect, you've already lost.
We don't get a lot of them, I suspect it has something to do with the altitude, and in general Colorado doesn't seem to have the same problems with stinging insects that some other lower, wetter climates have, but the few wasps we do have are rather hearty.
East coast, especially north of NYC, you can't dine outside without inviting dozens of them to dine with you.
The lack of wasps in Colorado was one of the attractions for me 20 years ago. I put up with Texas bugs for 20 years, east coast bugs for 20 years, Colorado is a blessing compared to those other places.
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darthstar Mon, May 9, 2011 4:51:52pm |
Time to make like horseshit and hit the trail... play nice, everyone.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, May 9, 2011 4:52:05pm |
This whole day feels like it has happened before. The work. The conversations. The articles. Which, of course, is absurd.
I need to go lay down...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 4:52:08pm |
re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth
Jumped backwards off the top of a roof ladder once when one of those things landed next to my hand.
Completely instinctive. I was standing there looking at the ladder a few seconds before I realized I just pulled off a Spider-Man move.
I've mentioned it before on LGF, but I jumped out of a moving car (moving about 10 miles an hour through a trailer park) because a wasp was buzzing me... I was driving.
Had to run along side of the car and jump back, brake it, before it ran into a double wide.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 4:53:01pm |
re: #169 prononymous
This whole day feels like it has happened before. The work. The conversations. The articles. Which, of course, is absurd.
I need to go lay down...
Yawn.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 4:54:05pm |
re: #170 Walter L. Newton
Now that would have been funny to see.
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engineer cat Mon, May 9, 2011 4:56:20pm |
military: you could die from getting fragged
computers: you could die waiting to get de-fragged
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:57:38pm |
you have not begin to suffer til you do black flies up north...they punk wasps everytime
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 4:58:19pm |
re: #172 Slumbering Behemoth
Now that would have been funny to see.
It's a real phobia with me, wasps, and I'll do irrational things if one comes along unannounced. Over the years, I've taught myself to not react so impulsively if I see one, but if I get surprised, unawares so to speak, I can panic.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 4:58:37pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, May 9, 2011 4:59:19pm |
re: #155 Rightwingconspirator
Our most drug ridden violent areas are still our most violent areas. Crooks got guns. Because California is so very strict as compared to say Florida, Louisiana or Texas our gun owners are pretty fierce about their rights and their skills.
We still have a ten round limit.
"Assault Guns" (a misnomer but I digress) are banned here.
No full auto guns.
No laser sights on rifles.
Possession of a high capacity magazine will likely get you jailed at least until you post bail.
We still have a ten day wait to buy a gun. Even though a background check takes mere minutes.
Guns long tested and approved approved for cops and the military are subjected to destructive "safety" testing by the state before they can be sold. The smallest change like adding a rail for alternative sights forces another round of destructive testing. Even changing the finish can cause that to happen.Comparing gun violence in California might be interesting. Unfortunately areas with the highest gun crime rates are often areas with the strictest anti gun laws. Not always. To me the gun violence seems drug crime driven not gun density driven.
Crooks got guns, and crooks will manage to get guns.
As to your main point:
I just looked at the "Homicide Maps" for 2009, 2010, and 2011 (to date) for East Baton Rouge Parish where I live.
You can see the clusters. The biggest one is the downtown/North Baton Rouge area; then there's another to the right of it, which is actually on the eastern edge of the city; then there's another smallish cluster below the downtown one, at the southern edge of the city, this 3rd cluster is noticeable particularly in 2010, not so much in 2009 or 2011. This is the Homicide map, so not all of these are gun crimes, but most of them are. The areas where they are clustered are also our biggest drug/prostitution/burglary/theft areas.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 4:59:37pm |
re: #176 Walter L. Newton
It's a real phobia with me, wasps, and I'll do irrational things if one comes along unannounced. Over the years, I've taught myself to not react so impulsively if I see one, but if I get surprised, unawares so to speak, I can panic.
one of my sisters is like that with spiders...I get you
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 5:01:10pm |
re: #175 albusteve
you have not begin to suffer til you do black flies up north...they punk wasps everytime
These vespa's (hornet) are common in Europe (I've been buzzed by two in France) and I heard you can find them occasionally in the US as far west as Nebraska...
Image: asian-giant-hornet1.jpg
Nasty.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, May 9, 2011 5:01:15pm |
re: #176 Walter L. Newton
Same here. I'm highly allergic to insect bites, but I've never been stung by a bee or a wasp. I have no idea what would happen to me if I were, and I am in no particular rush to find out.
Anyhow, time to take grandma out for her Mother's Day dinner. Laters y'all.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 5:02:14pm |
re: #180 Walter L. Newton
These vespa's (hornet) are common in Europe (I've been buzzed by two in France) and I heard you can find them occasionally in the US as far west as Nebraska...
Image: asian-giant-hornet1.jpg
Nasty.
OMGawd
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Renaissance_Man Mon, May 9, 2011 5:02:21pm |
re: #158 Spocomptonite
Main attraction is my friend's wedding, but my hotel is a couple blocks from, and supposedly with a view of, Tienanmen Square. And the Forbidden Palace is right there, too. I'm stoked.
There's only two things that give me pause:
1) The limit of my Chinese vocabulary is, "Nihau."
2) I'm still injured from my bike/truck accident and I'm nowhere near the point of settlement so I may go to China broke. :(
Tiananmen is enormous, far bigger than you imagine it is. In the heart of the city where you are, there will be a lot of signs in poorly translated Chinglish, so you should get by okay. The Forbidden Palace tour is audio and in English too. It is absolutely worth it. The Summer Palace just beyond it is more beautiful, but nothing matches the history of the Forbidden Palace.
Beijing is much cleaner these days, and the days of street bargains and such are past. There are still a few markets, but you'd need a good guide to find them and a driver. Unlike Europe, people really don't speak any English, and won't really be able to help much, but you can manage with some patience. On the south end of Tiananmen there is a strip with a lot of places to eat, including naturally a KFC (ke she ji), which will have a menu different to what you expect. Around that there are a few Chinese places with good, appropriate menus, and relatively nice places too, not tourist traps.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, May 9, 2011 5:03:19pm |
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 5:05:16pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, May 9, 2011 5:06:29pm |
re: #186 albusteve
bugs was cool...he took the wrong turn in Albuquerque tho
I wonder if he ever made it to Pismo Beach.
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albusteve Mon, May 9, 2011 5:07:18pm |
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justaminute Mon, May 9, 2011 5:26:06pm |
My husband was reading one of his Iranian blogs and he told me something interesting. No link, but I can get it for you but you need to read Farsi.
It said Egypt released the names of 2,000 people who were wanted/denied entry to Egypt under Mubarek. The new list says "All is forgiven, you can return to Egypt and you will be free to come and go and you won't be arrested."
It was reported the name "Khalid Islamboli" the guy that shot Sadat and in Iran they named a street after him. This guy's name and two of his friends were on the list. It was reported that They were living in Iran! He and two others returned to Egypt.
I've been working and not checking things out but I don't think anything has been posted about this.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 9, 2011 5:50:21pm |
re: #190 zora
wiki says Khalid Islamboli was executed.
CAIRO - A celebrated historian recently dropped a bombshell by denying that Khaled el-Islamboli, the prime assassin of late President Anwar el-Sadat, was shot by firing squad. Prof. Gamal Shakra shocked the nation and el-Sadat's family by claiming that el-Islamboli is still alive.[...]
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wrenchwench Mon, May 9, 2011 5:52:34pm |
And then check this out:
There has been A lot of talk regarding the release of Abood el Zomor and the Media attention he got. Many people in the egyptian and international so-easy-to-frighten population took it as a sign that the Islamists are taking over and we might have another Iran on our hands. While this might have been the international message the military council intended to send to the international world to ease the pressures on them a bit , this wasn;t supposed to be the message sent for local consumption. The local consumption message was simple: Abood ElZomor was arrested in Sadat’s assassination, the same assassination that resulted in Mubarak’s take over of the presidency, the same assassination that many say Mubarak had a hand in. This coincided with a video circulating the web showing Mubarak throwing chairs on a shot Sadat “to protect him” while Sadat is trying to get up. Even Zomor during his interview regarding the Sadat assassination said that some people involved in the assassination slept in prison, and others in the presidential palace. This was a message to Mubarak: We won’t touch you for now, but don’t think we don’t also have you by the balls. And how Ironic that the Man responsible for the death of one President is becoming the weapon against the President that followed him.
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Semper Fi Mon, May 9, 2011 5:57:32pm |
re: #170 Walter L. Newton
I've mentioned it before on LGF, but I jumped out of a moving car (moving about 10 miles an hour through a trailer park) because a wasp was buzzing me... I was driving.
Had to run along side of the car and jump back, brake it, before it ran into a double wide.
Pretty agile I'd say.
A friend, who's since passed, once fell out of a moving car while drunk (he was driving and solo) before dawn one morning but couldn't stumble after it. Don't know how fast he was going. Musta been at a crawl. He watched from a distance while his car plowed into some freeway barricades. He just turned and walked home (less than a mile) and went to bed. About 9am, after showering, police knocked on his door to report finding his car. He said it musta been stolen and that it was his fault for leaving keys in ignition.
Sorry about the wordy comment but your post brought back memories.
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justaminute Mon, May 9, 2011 5:58:44pm |
re: #190 zora
wiki says Khalid Islamboli was executed.
My bad. It was his dad (age in the 80's) and his cousin was living in Iran. He dad has the same name.
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wrenchwench Mon, May 9, 2011 6:03:02pm |
re: #194 justaminute
My bad. It was his dad (age in the 80's) and his cousin was living in Iran. He dad has the same name.
I was wondering about the reliability of #191.
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justaminute Mon, May 9, 2011 6:09:22pm |
re: #195 wrenchwench
I was wondering about the reliability of #191.
I asked my husband but he didn't know any thing about it. I asked him that it was so long ago and how old would the father be. He replied that it said he was in his 80's. It said that their was a cousin living with them. It said the pair were go to Turkey first to get a visa. I guess that means the Iran has given them citizenship? That's all the article said.
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Justaminute Mon, May 9, 2011 7:03:18pm |
re: #195 wrenchwench
I had my husband read me the article but he's watching a basketball game at the same time, so sorry this has taken so long. What I thought was strange the cousin's name was Khalid Islamboli too. He said there is another blog stating the same story but instead of a "father" he was an "uncle." His name was Khalid Islamboli too. I know they like to use the same name alot but that's a little much.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, May 9, 2011 8:29:25pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
Yawn.
All too familiar for you as well? I knew there was something odd going on...
That something being sleep deprivation, of course.
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Sabnen Tue, May 10, 2011 6:18:26am |
Saw above that someone is visiting China in the near future. Have fun!
Check your vaccinations and recommended vaccinations if you're visiting rural areas, the Great Wall is not considered rural.
Take American cigarettes if you want to completely change the way you haggle for goods at the stalls. Count them as worth $10 USD or 60-70 kuai (RMB/yuan). You can usually haggle down to 1/3 the original asking price for the usual souvenirs, then throw in a pack of cigarettes and blow up the whole deal and start haggling from a different starting point.
If you have time read 'River Town' by Peter Hessler to get a picture of China 15 years ago, he's insightful. He was a Peace Corps volunteer teaching English in a teachers college in Fuling (now underwater from the Three Gorges Dam).
Another read, if you are into historical novels, is 'Empress Orchid' by Anchee Min. Tzu Hsi was the 'Last Empress' of China. Called the 'Dragon Queen' she is much villified in China, even today (bare in mind history is written by the victors and Tzu Hsi, for whatever reason, is blamed for the collapse of Imperial China . . . it was collapsing long before she came on the scene). The novel gives you a sense of what it was like to be living in The Forbidden City and all its' paralyzing protocols.
It would be interesting to hear your opinions about China after you get back. Have Fun!
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