Florida GOP: Still Living in the 19th Century?

Florida family values

PoliticsSeptember 2011 • Views: 22,652

Florida Republicans take their cultural crusades very seriously. Like Republicans everywhere they’re opposed to gay marriage, but the Floridian GOP takes it one step farther into crazyland; they’re opposed to repealing a 19th century law that criminalizes unmarried “cohabitation.”

“Cohabitation” of unmarried people is currently a second-degree misdemeanor, punishable by $500 or up to 60 days in jail. The same penalty applies to cheating husbands and wives — though only to opposite-sex couples.

The laws have been on the books since the late 1800s, but are rarely enforced. …

Now, Rep. Ritch Workman, R-Melbourne, is on a mission to repeal the statutes penalizing adultery and cohabitation, as well as other laws he finds outdated, like a requirement that all bicycle riders keep one hand on the handle bars. He filed the adultery bill last week — it’s HB 4021 — though he hasn’t returned phone calls about it for the past two days. …
Nobody else much wants to talk about it either.

Asked how Gov. Rick Scott felt about the measure, spokeswoman Amy Graham replied simply, “This isn’t an issue the governor is focused on.”

The bill has no Senate counterpart. And given the almost-certain opposition of social conservatives who lobby hard on “family values” issues, it’ll face tough sledding in an election year.

Consider the response of State Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, who previously headed the Florida chapter of the Christian Coalition: “I’m not ready to give up on monogamy and a cultural statement that marriage still matters,” he said.

UPDATE at 9/2/11 1:01:41 pm

Here’s a report with video at CNN:

Video

UPDATE at 9/2/11 1:07:16 pm

And Florida isn’t the only state that still has sincrime laws on the books:

Florida isn’t the only state with strange, “family values” 19th century laws on the books that advocates and politicians loathe to get rid of.� In fact, I realized a year ago that I was a serial fornicator according to the state of Minnesota for the five years of non-married cohabitation I had with my now-husband.� He, on the other hand, gets off scott free since the law only applies to women.

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137 comments

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:58:05pm

That’s going to hurt the senior citizens who are shacking up to maximize their SS benefits.

darthstar Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:58:06pm

I’ve added a “family values” avatar to my name…let me know what you think.

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:58:13pm

don’t forget laws against miscegnation…

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:59:05pm

re: #3 ralphieboy

don’t forget laws against miscegnation…

I had to look that up.

Would be horrible to follow the Creole example.

darthstar Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:59:58pm

A law forcing bike riders to keep one hand on the handlebars at all times? How does he expect me to drink my beer and flip off other people at the same time?

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:01:02pm

I actually did read about a local ordinance forbidding people to sleep in living rooms, in an attempt to discourage people taking on boarders to help make their mortgages…cannot recall it now

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:02:08pm

re: #4 ggt

I had to look that up.

Would be horrible to follow the Creole example.

Barack Obama pointed out in his autobiography that when his parents got married, interracial marriage was still illegal in several states

Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:02:11pm

I just updated with a video report from CNN.

Targetpractice Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:03:33pm

“Small government,” my ass.

Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:04:15pm

Like they say. Out of the boardroom and into the bedroom.

Literally.

jaunte Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:04:26pm

Unmarried sex is still a sincrime in several states.

Unmarried cohabitation:
Six states continue to make it a crime for an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia fall into this category. Arizona and New Mexico decriminalized unmarried cohabitation in 2001. North Dakota repealed its law in 2007. The validity of the North Carolina law is questionable due to a trial court ruling in 2006 declaring it unconstitutional.

Fornication:
Seven states and the District of Columbia make it a crime for a man and a woman to engage in consensual intercourse in private: Idaho, Massachusetts, Minnesota, South Carolina, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, and D.C. fall into this category.

[Link: www.unmarriedamerica.org…]

jamesfirecat Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:04:42pm

Why must the crazy always pop out when Jon Stewart is on break?

alecmcc Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:04:54pm

Expect about 85% of the university and college students to wind up in the pen. Privatizing the schools and making them prisons would work and follow Rick Scott’s game plan.

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:04:54pm

Many states have archaic laws still on the books. We usually joke about them.

How interesting that they could actually be used (and enforced) in the Domionists attempts to invoke Christian-Sharia.

Even more interesting they could become an election issue in 2012.

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:05:36pm

re: #11 jaunte

Unmarried sex is still a sincrime in several states.

[Link: www.unmarriedamerica.org…]

Whew! Illinois is not on that list.

darthstar Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:06:08pm

Next, they’ll propose legislation forcing women to take their husbands’ last names.

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:06:52pm

I have to do some laundry.

bbiab

darthstar Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:07:39pm

re: #17 ggt

I have to do some laundry.

bbiab

And they said the no cohabiting law wouldn’t create jobs.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:08:00pm

re: #14 ggt

Many states have archaic laws still on the books. We usually joke about them.

How interesting that they could actually be used (and enforced) in the Domionists attempts to invoke Christian-Sharia.

Even more interesting they could become an election issue in 2012.

I seem to recall us talking on here, ages ago, about some town where it’s illegal to have sex with a porcupine.

This strikes me as an unnecessary, since trying to have sex with a porcupine strikes me as pretty much being its own consequence. But someone did point out that it could raise problems for other porcupines.

lawhawk Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:09:35pm

In contrast to NJ, where we repealed a bunch of obsolete laws that objectified women.

Gov. Chris Christie signed legislation last week that repeals outdated and obsolete laws, including two that embodied sexist attitudes toward women, report NJ.com and the New Jersey Law Journal.

One law provided that a wife forfeits her marital property rights if she is unfaithful. In the words of the statute, a wife gives up rights to “jointure or dower” if she has consented to “being ravished”—unless the husband voluntarily reconciles and permits his wife to live with him.

The other law gave a man arrested for raping or having sex with an unmarried woman the right to an immediate marriage license, provided the would-be husband consents. The law waived the traditional 72-hour waiting period.

jamesfirecat Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:09:38pm

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

I seem to recall us talking on here, ages ago, about some town where it’s illegal to have sex with a porcupine.

This strikes me as an unnecessary, since trying to have sex with a porcupine strikes me as pretty much being its own consequence. But someone did point out that it could raise problems for other porcupines.

Of course the hedgehog can never be…. ~~bugg~~ bothered at all….

EdDantes Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:09:39pm

“Now, Rep. Ritch Workman, R-Melbourne, is on a mission to repeal the statutes penalizing adultery and cohabitation, as well as other laws he finds outdated..”

At least give one Republican credit

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:11:20pm

re: #20 lawhawk

In contrast to NJ, where we repealed a bunch of obsolete laws that objectified women.

Because of course, the rapist is not a perverted psychopath, he is a perfectly respectable man who was overcome by the woman’s innate charms!

What a crock of shit.

Shiplord Kirel Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:12:06pm

Down with cohabitating libertines and free-love advocates! They should just sneak off to the Motel 6 after church like decent folk.
/

Targetpractice Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:12:21pm

re: #22 EdDantes

“Now, Rep. Ritch Workman, R-Melbourne, is on a mission to repeal the statutes penalizing adultery and cohabitation, as well as other laws he finds outdated..”

At least give one Republican credit

Yeah, the proverbial diamond in the rough. The rest either are too spineless to go against their “base” or are just as bigoted as said “base.”

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:12:42pm

re: #16 darthstar

Next, they’ll propose legislation forcing women to take their husbands’ last names.

Wrong, that would go against custom for many Muslims. I think it is part of many Arab/Afrikan cultures that the husband takes the wife’s tribal name. It gets so confusing.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:12:49pm

re: #21 jamesfirecat

Of course the hedgehog can never be… ~~bugg~~ bothered at all…

…with a giraffe, if you stand on a stool,
But the hedgehog…

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:13:23pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

…with a giraffe, if you stand on a stool,
But the hedgehog…

But, no one would mess with the Honey Badger!

jaunte Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:13:31pm

I’m cohabiting for fun
I don’t want to shoot no one
Well I crossed my old man back in Bradenton
Don’t take me alive
Got a case of dynamite
I could hold out here all night
Yes I crossed my old man back in Bradenton
Don’t take me alive

jamesfirecat Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:14:26pm

re: #26 ggt

Wrong, that would go against custom for many Muslims. I think it is part of many Arab/Afrikan cultures that the husband takes the wife’s tribal name. It gets so confusing.

So you’re saying with such a law the Socons would get to spite both women and Muslims?

I think my friend that would be to them a feature not a bug.

EdDantes Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:14:59pm

re: #28 ggt

honey badger don’t give a shit. He’s a bad ass.

HappyWarrior Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:16:02pm

Yay small government. And a complete waste of resources. Let’s ignore real crime and go after couples who aren’t married. Brilliant. Maybe we should stone adulterers too.

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:16:56pm

Arizona has a bill banning the possession of more than six dildos.

[Link: www.idiotlaws.com…]

but it is not an archaic law, it is a recent one pssed by a state senator (female) who tried to ban dildos altogether, but failing to get that bill through, settled for a six-dildo limit

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:17:30pm

re: #33 ralphieboy

Arizona has a bill banning the possession of more than six dildos.

[Link: www.idiotlaws.com…]

but it is not an archaic law, it is a recent one pssed by a state senator (female) who tried to ban dildos altogether, but failing to get that bill through, settled for a six-dildo limit

Because you may poke your eye out if you have to many?

Iwouldprefernotto Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:17:48pm

re: #2 darthstar

I’ve added a “family values” avatar to my name…let me know what you think.

Love It

EdDantes Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:18:16pm

re: #25 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The “base” needs to get over this. I have my own opinions but they should not extend into public policy.

Targetpractice Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:19:09pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Yay small government. And a complete waste of resources. Let’s ignore real crime and go after couples who aren’t married. Brilliant. Maybe we should stone adulterers too.

Thing is, I doubt there’s any more rush to see this law enforced than there was before it was brought up. Hell, I doubt that any of those objecting to seeing it done away with were even aware it was on the books before this bill.

As noted above, there’s a slew of pointless and outdated laws still on the books across the country. Why do so many remain? Because people either don’t know about them or see absolutely no reason why they’d waste the time to do away with them.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:19:12pm

re: #29 jaunte

I’m cohabiting for fun
I don’t want to shoot no one
Well I crossed my old man back in Bradenton
Don’t take me alive
Got a case of dynamite
I could hold out here all night
Yes I crossed my old man back in Bradenton
Don’t take me alive

Friend of mine comes from an old Utah Mormon family. Her great-great-etc.-grandfather went to prison for having three wives. I bring the up, because apparently they referred to this as ‘doing time for your cohabs’.

(I wish she was one of these people who wants to write a sprawling epic novel about family history, because frankly, this many-times grandfather had a fascinating life. English born, came out to Utah as a young convert, along with his first wife. Interesting man.)

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:19:18pm

I have to go wash a stinky monster puppy.

later all!

Targetpractice Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:21:33pm

re: #36 EdDantes

The “base” needs to get over this. I have my own opinions but they should not extend into public policy.

Because the “base” still votes and, so long as they remain the squeakiest wheel, they’ll continue to get the grease. At least until enough folks wake up to that reality and drown out the bigots.

Renaissance_Man Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:22:03pm

To be honest, I can’t get too upset about this. It’s an archaic law on the books, and sure, someday those should be cleaned up. But it’s not enforced. Should it be removed? Absolutely. Laws that aren’t enforced are embarrassments to the legal system. But I also can’t get too angry when politicians, in this soundbite-driven era, don’t want to take an action that gives opponents an easy attack - nobody wants to be the guy that ‘legalised vice’, regardless of the actual facts of the matter.

It doesn’t sound like anyone’s being harmed by this archaic law. If they were, not taking action would be another thing entirely.

engineer cat Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:22:24pm

repealing a 19th century law that criminalizes unmarried “cohabitation.”

and also since when did the wife’s family stop remitting the cows and sheep given as the brideprice if the wife doesn’t bear children???

EdDantes Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:26:28pm

re: #40 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Because the “base” still votes and, so long as they remain the squeakiest wheel, they’ll continue to get the grease. At least until enough folks wake up to that reality and drown out the bigots.

The base may vote and politicians may pander but they will both lose in the end.

Targetpractice Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:28:41pm

re: #43 EdDantes

They base may vote and politicians may pander but they will both lose in the end.

So long as there’s efforts to undo these laws, yes. But when there’s a voter malaise, such that they don’t give a damn either way, then the “base” will continue to have the upper hand.

lawhawk Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:30:22pm

This is one of many of the dumb laws on the books in FL, and now we know that even dumb laws like this still have their supporters who keep them on the books.

Among the FL whoppers:
800.02 Unnatural and lascivious act.

A person who commits any unnatural and lascivious act with another person commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A mother’s breastfeeding of her baby does not under any circumstance violate this section.

Similarly, here’s the text of the law in question:

798.02 Lewd and lascivious behavior.

If any man and woman, not being married to each other, lewdly and lasciviously associate and cohabit together, or if any man or woman, married or unmarried, engages in open and gross lewdness and lascivious behavior, they shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

Coracle Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:32:43pm

re: #45 lawhawk

Clear the beaches!

EdDantes Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:35:05pm

re: #45 lawhawk

As long as they don’t do in the street and scare the horses.

lawhawk Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:35:17pm

re: #46 Coracle

There goes Spring Break! Or the rest of Mark Foley’s career.

Shiplord Kirel Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:35:59pm

“Lewd and lascivious behavior” would encompass a large part of the commercial entertainment industry. If enforced, such a prohibition would destroy Florida’s tourist trade.

jaunte Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:36:05pm

re: #45 lawhawk

That law may even call ‘catfish noodling’ into question.

EdDantes Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:36:42pm

re: #48 lawhawk

Turn the page

Shiplord Kirel Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:36:46pm

re: #50 jaunte

That law may even call ‘catfish noodling’ into question.

I don’t know what that is, and I don’t want to know.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:37:18pm

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel

“Lewd and lascivious behavior” would encompass a large part of the commercial entertainment industry. If enforced, such a prohibition would destroy Florida’s tourist trade.

And would completely outlaw the very existence of Miami.

jaunte Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:38:01pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

I don’t know what that is, and I don’t want to know.

Don’t look: [Link: gawker.com…]

makeitstop Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:42:38pm

re: #22 EdDantes

“Now, Rep. Ritch Workman, R-Melbourne, is on a mission to repeal the statutes penalizing adultery and cohabitation, as well as other laws he finds outdated..”

At least give one Republican credit

He’ll get primaried in the next election. Purity test fail.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:45:10pm

re: #7 ralphieboy

Barack Obama pointed out in his autobiography that when his parents got married, interracial marriage was still illegal in several states

Yes, and conservatives also tried to get anti-miscegenation Constitutional amendments at the federal level. Limited government, pfft.

As if there were not already obvious connections to same sex marriage prohibition, another “on the books but (supposedly) not enforced” anti-miscegenation law from 1913 came oozing out of the woodwork in MA when same sex marriage was legalized.

Wasn’t repealed until 3 years ago.

(Lol things like this are why “quit living in the past!!!!!!@1” is such an immediate eyeroll generator.)

EdDantes Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:45:53pm

re: #55 makeitstop

That is the genius of our electoral process.

Mattand Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:46:54pm

This is completely off-topic. My girlfriend’s parents are in the living room watching Neil Cavuto. He just had some jackass on predicting 12% unemployment by Election Day 2012. GF’s mom insists that the rate could possibly 21% by then.

I really hate Fox News. And I hope I’m not this gullible when I’m 70.

albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:47:04pm

let’s discuss this like adults….
SOCK

Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:51:07pm

re: #58 mattand

This is completely off-topic. My girlfriend’s parents are in the living room watching Neil Cavuto. He just had some jackass on predicting 12% unemployment by Election Day 2012. GF’s mom insists that the rate could possibly 21% by then.

I really hate Fox News. And I hope I’m not this gullible when I’m 70.

Somebody should do a study on Fox News effects on the elderly. My mom has a PHD, traveled the world as a diplomat. She was a very smart woman. She now uses words like “Obamacare” and is afraid that the president is trying to harm the country. She’s been exhibiting signs of possible dementia the past couple years, Watching Fox is not helping.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:51:50pm

re: #59 albusteve

let’s discuss this like adults…
SOCK

Putting the “duh” in “a-du-lt”

Youtube Video

albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:53:45pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Somebody should do a study on Fox News effects on the elderly. My mom has a PHD, traveled the world as a diplomat. She was a very smart woman. She now uses words like “Obamacare” and is afraid that the president is trying to harm the country. She’s been exhibiting signs of possible dementia the past couple years, Watching Fox is not helping.

pretty much an unscientific fact, that watching Fox is bad for your health when you begin to absorb the tripe….and sorry about your mom, you only get one and I’m very protective of mine

Shiplord Kirel Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:54:09pm

re: #54 jaunte

Don’t look: [Link: gawker.com…]

Well, that’s not so bad then. I liked this comment:

So the guys with thousands of dollars invested in devising ways to trick fish into swallowing sharp metal hooks think just putting your bare hand in front of one and having it latch on is unfair to the fish.

I’d be more impressed with trophy hunters if they had bagged that prize buck with a flint-tipped spear.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:54:26pm

re: #56 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yes, and conservatives also tried to get anti-miscegenation Constitutional amendments at the federal level. Limited government, pfft.

As if there were not already obvious connections to same sex marriage prohibition, another “on the books but (supposedly) not enforced” anti-miscegenation law from 1913 came oozing out of the woodwork in MA when same sex marriage was legalized.

Wasn’t repealed until 3 years ago.

(Lol things like this are why “quit living in the past!!!@1” is such an immediate eyeroll generator.)

From 1859 to 1926, it was illegal to be black in Oregon.

Only enforced once, I think.

Renaissance_Man Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:55:13pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Somebody should do a study on Fox News effects on the elderly. My mom has a PHD, traveled the world as a diplomat. She was a very smart woman. She now uses words like “Obamacare” and is afraid that the president is trying to harm the country. She’s been exhibiting signs of possible dementia the past couple years, Watching Fox is not helping.

All the VAs I’ve been in, all the patient rooms and waiting rooms in clinics, all have FOX on. It’s elder abuse. Seriously. You’re putting them through emotional trauma for no reason, with no redeeming features.

Mattand Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:55:58pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I hope your mom’s okay. Any kind of brain disease like that is insidious. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

That study would be a good idea. GF’s mom has been fairly conservative with a nasty racist streak most of her life. Fox News is an echo chamber for someone like her. They literally make shit up just to scare their audience and reinforce their beliefs.

I just shudder when I see this shit in action. The guy Cavuto had on was more than likely pulling the numbers out of his ass. But that network knows what pays the bills. Anything to keep their audience worked up.

albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 1:57:31pm

re: #61 negativ

Putting the “duh” in “a-du-lt”

[Video]

been there a few times…never saw a melee…at least they were not throwing at the batters head, that’s where I draw the line….otherwise, let er rip

Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:03:07pm

Take the Tea Party challenge: Guess That Tea Partier!

Donna Ballard Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:04:33pm

re: #58 mattand

This is completely off-topic. My girlfriend’s parents are in the living room watching Neil Cavuto. He just had some jackass on predicting 12% unemployment by Election Day 2012. GF’s mom insists that the rate could possibly 21% by then.

I really hate Fox News. And I hope I’m not this gullible when I’m 70.

Yeah, I can commiserate. Both of my parents have been sucked in by Fox, and if I even try to refute any of it the yelling match begins! Any my folks haven’t yelled at me like that since I was 18! It was quite a shock for me to see my normally sensible parents suddenly start yelling at me over the B.S. being spewed on a bogus news channel! Now I absolutely refuse to discuss anything with them that they heard on Fox News. *face palm, sigh*

albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:04:45pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel

Well, that’s not so bad then. I liked this comment:

I’d be more impressed with trophy hunters if they had bagged that prize buck with a flint-tipped spear.

when I had my business, my concrete sub was a bigtime trophy guy….he had a barn full of his mounts…he would never explain how he shot his game, it was always my musk ox cost me $22k or whatever…interesting guy but very narrow and shallow minded….all about the stuffing…come to find out he never even left his snowmobile to get the ox…shot it a drove away, while others did the lifting

goddamnedfrank Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:06:28pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Somebody should do a study on Fox News effects on the elderly. My mom has a PHD, traveled the world as a diplomat. She was a very smart woman. She now uses words like “Obamacare” and is afraid that the president is trying to harm the country. She’s been exhibiting signs of possible dementia the past couple years, Watching Fox is not helping.

What I’ve noticed is that they tend to leave Fox News on all the time, even when they’re not home. It’s like they’re trying to brainwash the furniture while they’re out.

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:07:02pm

re: #64 EmmmieG

From 1859 to 1926, it was illegal to be black in Oregon.

Only enforced once, I think.

Heh, and not just against The Blacks™ either…

The Chinese had it even worse than us..ineligible for citizenship

Donna Ballard Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:07:34pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

What I’ve noticed is that they tend to leave Fox News on all the time, even when they’re not home. It’s like they’re trying to brainwash the furniture while they’re out.

Sad, so sad…

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:08:45pm

1 Monster Puppy and 2 good dogs bathed (outside) toweled dry and sunned.

I need a shower and a nap

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:09:04pm

re: #58 mattand

re: #66 mattand

re: #69 Dragon_Lady

Fox News is the Victory Mosque.

Shiplord Kirel Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:11:35pm

Funny sports interlude:

Youtube Video

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:14:15pm

I’m serious about that nap.

Monster Puppy wore me out.

He was better this time than last time he got a bath.

He likes drinking from the hose.

FemNaziBitch Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:14:20pm

Later all!

Mattand Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:14:38pm

re: #69 Dragon_Lady

Yeah, it’s brutal. GF’s mom just started ranting about something about Obama flying to each stop on his bus tour or something on a C-130; who knows? I just shut the door and fired up Team Fortress 2. Good stress reliever.

My dad shares some of her world view, but he’s politically apathetic enough that he can’t be bothered watching Fox. Count my blessings, I guess…

albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:14:55pm

re: #72 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Heh, and not just against The Blacks™ either…

The Chinese had it even worse than us..ineligible for citizenship

The Yellows deserve their own trademark too…and what about the Reds?

Donna Ballard Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:15:45pm

re: #75 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

re: #66 mattand

re: #69 Dragon_Lady

Fox News is the Victory Mosque.

RWC had to print out a 10 or 15 page rebuttal for his father because he too was believing the bovine excrement Fox was spewing out. My Dad won’t even look at the same papers. Blasted hide bound old man! He used to be the most reasonable man I knew, seems like Fox is truly using subliminal’s when they broadcast and they lock the elderly mind up into their side so securely there’s no budging them.

freetoken Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:15:50pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Simply by repeating words and ideas people can be influenced.

Though we like to think of ourselves as independent beings, in reality H. sapiens is a tribal animal. What our fellow tribe members do around us affects us in many ways.

That indeed is what the Florida GOP and every other group are all about. They intuit, even though they may not be able to articulate, that simply discussing cohabitation in everyday life as “normal” among people will indeed lead “cohabitation” to be seen by the tribe as a normal state of affairs (which frankly, biologically, it is, religious control of sex being a phenomenon of organized religion which correlates with the development of hierarchical power structures in early civilizations.)

Madison Ave. depends upon the idea that they can influence the purchasing habits of people merely by exposing people repeatedly to brand names.

We are highly influenced by the words and ideas to which we are exposed - which is why at times in various places groups/government want to burn certain books.

Etc., etc., etc.

Rupert Murdoch knows all this stuff, and has become one of the richer men in the world by putting that knowledge into use.

Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:16:03pm

re: #79 mattand

Yeah, it’s brutal. GF’s mom just started ranting about something about Obama flying to each stop on his bus tour or something on a C-130; who knows? I just shut the door and fired up Team Fortress 2. Good stress reliever.

My dad shares some of her world view, but he’s politically apathetic enough that he can’t be bothered watching Fox. Count my blessings, I guess…

How is TF2 these days? I stopped playing a while after all the hats were introduced. Is it a mess with all the free players now?

Mattand Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:16:22pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

What I’ve noticed is that they tend to leave Fox News on all the time, even when they’re not home. It’s like they’re trying to brainwash the furniture while they’re out.

LOL! Yeah, they literally have that fucking station on 12 hours a day. This is going to be a rough weekend. Fortunately, GF’s mom is a sports nut and the Phils are playing every day until the end of the season. There’s some respite.

Mattand Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:19:21pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Apologies to Charles for derailing this thread :)

I find it a blast. Like the 3 Stooges with RPGs. I think the influx of free players caused a lot of overblown elitist nerd rage. For me, it’s a good stress reliever. I’m Mattand08 on Steam, if you’re ever around.

albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:20:24pm

re: #84 mattand

LOL! Yeah, they literally have that fucking station on 12 hours a day. This is going to be a rough weekend. Fortunately, GF’s mom is a sports nut and the Phils are playing every day until the end of the season. There’s some respite.

this is the result of decades of drooling into tv land…the media rules our culture…now it’s the internet, where you can be deceived instantaneously!

RadicalModerate Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:21:06pm

FoxNews has a new “Outrageous Outrage” today - namely Chaz Bono on “Dancing With the Stars”.

Don’t Let Your Kids Watch Chaz Bono On ‘Dancing With the Stars’

Of course, this is from the same Keith Albow who previously wrote that homosexuality and pedophilia are exactly the same in that both condone raping children, and that homosexuality can be “cured” with Christian-based intervention.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:21:12pm

re: #80 albusteve

The Yellows™ deserve their own trademark too…and what about the Reds™?

fify e_e

Political Atheist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:22:00pm

re: #81 Dragon_Lady

And because Fox is on all day I have to keep at it. Like on AGW and this recent paper dust up. Ugh.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:22:39pm

re: #87 RadicalModerate

FoxNews has a new “Outrageous Outrage” today - namely Chaz Bono on “Dancing With the Stars”.

www.foxnews.com...]>www.foxnews.com…]>Don’t

Right. Instead, vote for Bristol Palin writhing on the floor in her undies and calling it a Rumba. //

Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:23:13pm

re: #87 RadicalModerate

FoxNews has a new “Outrageous Outrage” today - namely Chaz Bono on “Dancing With the Stars”.

Don’t Let Your Kids Watch Chaz Bono On ‘Dancing With the Stars’

Of course, this is from the same Keith Albow who previously wrote that homosexuality and pedophilia are exactly the same in that both condone raping children, and that homosexuality can be “cured” with Christian-based intervention.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

How about don’t let your kids watch DWTS, get them a book or a chemistry set?

I can dream…

Donna Ballard Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:23:56pm

re: #85 mattand

Apologies to Charles for derailing this thread :)

I find it a blast. Like the 3 Stooges with RPGs. I think the influx of free players caused a lot of overblown elitist nerd rage. For me, it’s a good stress reliever. I’m Mattand08 on Steam, if you’re ever around.

Well if you think about it, this does kinda correlate. I mean look at the demographics of Florida, the majority of the population is retired and a lot of them probably agree with those way out dated laws because their generation voted for them and passed them into law!

albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:24:12pm

re: #87 RadicalModerate

FoxNews has a new “Outrageous Outrage” today - namely Chaz Bono on “Dancing With the Stars”.

Don’t Let Your Kids Watch Chaz Bono On ‘Dancing With the Stars’

Of course, this is from the same Keith Albow who previously wrote that homosexuality and pedophilia are exactly the same, and condone raping children, and that homosexuality can be “cured” with Christian-based intervention.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

if my kids were addicted to DWTS or whatever, I’d consider them morons and cut them out of my will….exposure to every media freak on the planet cuts into study time…fortunately, my kids would rake leaves than watch tv

Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:24:15pm

re: #87 RadicalModerate

FoxNews has a new “Outrageous Outrage” today - namely Chaz Bono on “Dancing With the Stars”.

Don’t Let Your Kids Watch Chaz Bono On ‘Dancing With the Stars’

Of course, this is from the same Keith Albow who previously wrote that homosexuality and pedophilia are exactly the same, and condone raping children, and that homosexuality can be “cured” with Christian-based intervention.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Fuck them. Seriously. Those assholes at News Corp will then turn around and show whatever they feel like showing on Fox Entertainment. They need to get over people like Chaz.

Political Atheist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:24:33pm

Thanks “tiny pencil”, I just added the link to 89

jaunte Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:24:58pm

re: #79 mattand

Yeah, it’s brutal. GF’s mom just started ranting about something about Obama flying to each stop on his bus tour or something on a C-130; who knows? I just shut the door and fired up Team Fortress 2. Good stress reliever.

My dad shares some of her world view, but he’s politically apathetic enough that he can’t be bothered watching Fox. Count my blessings, I guess…

If she keeps going with it, you could share this link with her:

“even if they had wanted, despite the short distances involved, to fly the buses and/or Obama ahead to the next stop, there simply are not enough airfields in that area of the country that could handle the aircraft involved (certainly not the 747 AF1 and not the C-5A or C-17 cargo aircraft that would have been needed for the buses).”….Mediaite’s White House correspondent Tommy Christopher calls the story “sheer idiocy,” pointing out that a five-minute review of the pool reports from the trip shows that the large contingent of press that travels with the President was with him every step of the way. “There was even one pool report that gave an odometer reading, for crying out loud.”[Link: www.mediaite.com…]

ProBosniaLiberal Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:25:00pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

Heh my grandparents haven’t fallen for FOX.

I was telling Grandpa (an Eisenhower Republican) about the Andre Carson kerfuffle. His response was roughly:

The problem with what he said is what?

In addition, he wishes the Democrats would grow some nuts.

Varek Raith Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:25:19pm

re: #87 RadicalModerate

FoxNews has a new “Outrageous Outrage” today - namely Chaz Bono on “Dancing With the Stars”.

Don’t Let Your Kids Watch Chaz Bono On ‘Dancing With the Stars’

Of course, this is from the same Keith Albow who previously wrote that homosexuality and pedophilia are exactly the same, and condone raping children, and that homosexuality can be “cured” with Christian-based intervention.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Fox.
Home of Family Guy.
Lol.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:25:27pm

re: #87 RadicalModerate

THE TRANSGENDER INFECTION WILL SEEP THROUGH YOUR TV AND TURN YOUR MANLY MEN INTO GIRLY BOIZ

EVERYONE OF THE MALE PERSUASION PANIC AND EAT AN ENTIRE STEAK AND PUNCH A HOLE THROUGH THE NEIGHBOR’S DOG

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Donna Ballard Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:25:29pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

And because Fox is on all day I have to keep at it. Like on AGW and this recent paper dust up. Ugh.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

You poor thing… *shudder* You’re braver than I am, you risk being contaminated…

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Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:25:39pm

re: #85 mattand

Apologies to Charles for derailing this thread :)

I find it a blast. Like the 3 Stooges with RPGs. I think the influx of free players caused a lot of overblown elitist nerd rage. For me, it’s a good stress reliever. I’m Mattand08 on Steam, if you’re ever around.

I’m Puddinhead. If I start playing TF2 again I’ll look you up.

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albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:26:12pm

re: #88 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

fify e_e

ahh, better….we are all of one nest, says the Navaho

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freetoken Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:26:20pm

re: #87 RadicalModerate

Yeah… Chaz’ mother has decided to throw her voice into the mix, which will likely bring other big names into support Chaz.

Don’t be fooled - the DWTS producers love all this attention, which is why they pick the cast that they do. All that Albow has done is drive up the DWTS viewership numbers by a tiny bit.

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Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:26:25pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

Fox.
Home of Family Guy.
Lol.

And American Dad. Home of the alien rapist. Well, it seems like it sometimes. He’s also a rather flaming alien.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:26:35pm

re: #97 ProLifeLiberal

I think some of my cousins are ultra-right wing? But I don’t really care, because I see them once a year and never talk about politics

Also, I’m not on facebook, because seriously fuck that place

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:26:42pm

re: #102 albusteve

ahh, better…we are all of one nest, says the Navaho®

fixed

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Varek Raith Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:27:17pm

re: #104 Gus 802

And American Dad. Home of the alien rapist. Well, it seems like it sometimes. He’s also a rather flaming alien.

People in glass houses shouldn’t throw grenades.
:)

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:27:57pm

re: #94 Gus 802

Fuck them. Seriously. Those assholes at News Corp will then turn around and show whatever they feel like showing on Fox Entertainment. They need to get over people like Chaz.

the demographic they’re aiming for are redneck idjits, so that’s what they’ll do

Fox News is God’s way of saying “this guy’s not very bright”, and for that i salute them, saves me a lot of time

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albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:28:26pm

re: #94 Gus 802

Fuck them. Seriously. Those assholes at News Corp will then turn around and show whatever they feel like showing on Fox Entertainment. They need to get over people like Chaz.

Barnum did it…it’s an ageless gig to promote the freak

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albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:29:12pm

re: #106 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

fixed

heh…got me again

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Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:30:02pm

re: #104 Gus 802

And American Dad. Home of the alien rapist. Well, it seems like it sometimes. He’s also a rather flaming alien.

They had an episode once where the alien, Roger, had the son convinced that he’s a she. At the end, the son, Roger had him feel his “vagina”. At least I think that was his son.

Here’s another character on American Dad:

Jackson: One of Stan’s co-workers at the CIA. He was once a real estate agent, and is a “former homosexual”. Apparently, when he stopped selling houses, his “sodomy cleared up.” His conversion has been suggested to be unsuccessful. He also expresses a wish to have a vagina, indicating he is transgender as well. Moreover, when asked if he had ever did it with a dead mermaid, he said “Mermaid, no.” Previously had a body double who was shot repeatedly by Stan. Voiced by Mike Henry.

That’s Fox Entertainment or News Corp.

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makeitstop Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:30:22pm

re: #99 WindUpBird

THE TRANSGENDER INFECTION WILL SEEP THROUGH YOUR TV AND TURN YOUR MANLY MEN INTO GIRLY BOIZ

EVERYONE OF THE MALE PERSUASION PANIC AND EAT AN ENTIRE STEAK AND PUNCH A HOLE THROUGH THE NEIGHBOR’S DOG

Sometimes I think you’re Seth McFarlane. I can see the above in cartoon form, and it’s got ‘Family Guy’ written all over it. :)

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Donna Ballard Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:30:46pm

Time to hit the grocery store, need food for the evening noms. Later Lizards!

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Gus Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:31:32pm

re: #111 Gus 802

They had an episode once where the alien, Roger, had the son convinced that he’s a she. At the end, the son, Roger had him feel his “vagina”. At least I think that was his son.

Here’s another character on American Dad:

That’s Fox Entertainment or News Corp.

This is Roger:

Roger (voiced by Seth MacFarlane): The sarcastic, surly, lonely, aloof, and flamboyantly effeminate space alien who saved Stan’s life in Area 51. He spends his time smoking, drinking and eating (mainly unhealthy foods). Roger is an avid film, television and celebrity buff. He is not allowed to leave the house and the family conceals his existence, although he has left on a few occasions in various disguises including a frilly dress, gloves and hat which caused him to be mistaken for a senior citizen. His sexual and gender identity seems to be very fluid, as he thinks nothing of wearing dresses, acting like a stereotypical drama queen and romancing both men and women. His voice is modeled after Paul Lynde’s. Roger is in many ways a Family Guy-esque version of ALF. He has the power to defecate gold with jewels on it, which became a recurring theme in the series in which people who have found it become greedy and often meet a horrible end.

Needless to say. I enjoy watching American Dad from time to time. ;)

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:34:07pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

the demographic they’re aiming for are redneck idjits, so that’s what they’ll do

For such individualistic, entrepreneurial, independent self-sovereigns, there sure is a lot of conformity from that ilk.

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albusteve Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:34:13pm

re: #114 Gus 802

This is Roger:

Needless to say. I enjoy watching American Dad from time to time. ;)

much healthier for the brain than watching the parasitic NFL, who plow thru urban America, taking no prisoners while they rob your coffers

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:34:22pm

from that Chaz Bono article:

Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team. Dr. Ablow can be reached at info@keithablow.com. His team of Life Coaches can be reached at lifecoach@keithablow.com.

Dr. Ablow WILL get Mr. T on that plane, and he’ll talk him out of his transgender leanings! A consultation with Hannibal is extra.

if you have a problem with your kid not cleaving to his assigned gender roles, and if no one else can help, maybe you can hire Dr. Ablow’s A-Team

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ProBosniaLiberal Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:34:38pm

Algeria is beginning to try to reverse course on Libya:

However, on 1 September, Foreign Minister Medelci backpedaled, saying, “The National Transition Council has announced that it will soon be forming a government representative of all the regions of the country and once it does this we will recognise it.”

Might be too late for that. Algeria has put itself in a very poor position between a pissed off Libya and Morocco, and a very tweaked Tunisia.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:34:56pm

re: #112 makeitstop

Sometimes I think you’re Seth McFarlane. I can see the above in cartoon form, and it’s got ‘Family Guy’ written all over it. :)

FUCK I WISH

My bank account would be a lot happier :D

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RadicalModerate Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:36:20pm

re: #94 Gus 802

Fuck them. Seriously. Those assholes at News Corp will then turn around and show whatever they feel like showing on Fox Entertainment. They need to get over people like Chaz.

This quote from Ablow told me all I needed to know about his idealogy.

And if all that failed, and if Chaz Bono wanted either to kill herself or to undergo gender reassignment surgery, I would have taken that journey with her, too. I would have talked her parents through the hell of it. We would make the best of it.

Somehow, with enormous compassion and love and God’s help, we would get through it.

That’s right. To him, for someone who desires gender reassignment (which Chaz dealt with for close to 20 years) - suicide is a perfectly viable option.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:37:33pm

re: #118 ProLifeLiberal

call the Envoy

Youtube Video

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makeitstop Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:37:34pm

re: #119 WindUpBird

FUCK I WISH

My bank account would be a lot happier :D

Yeah, Seth did all right for himself. He’s like the Dave Grohl of television. :)

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:37:55pm

re: #87 RadicalModerate

FoxNews has a new “Outrageous Outrage” today - namely Chaz Bono on “Dancing With the Stars”.

Don’t Let Your Kids Watch Chaz Bono On ‘Dancing With the Stars’

Of course, this is from the same Keith Albow who previously wrote that homosexuality and pedophilia are exactly the same in that both condone raping children, and that homosexuality can be “cured” with Christian-based intervention.

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

It’s well known that watching transmen dance will blow out a child’s mindless patriotism circuits.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:38:41pm

re: #120 RadicalModerate

the way he puts that makes it sound as if he’d commit double suicide WITh Chaz Bono

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:39:10pm

re: #94 Gus 802

Fuck them. Seriously. Those assholes at News Corp will then turn around and show whatever they feel like showing on Fox Entertainment. They need to get over people like Chaz.

It’s interesting to me the complete programming break between Fox news and Fox not-news. Fox not-news, for example, has a whole global warming awareness campaign going on.

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ProBosniaLiberal Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:40:14pm

So I just found this on Wikipedia on Kosovo’s recognition of the NTC:

On 22 August, the Foreign Ministry of Kosovo said it would work with the NTC and hoped it would recognise Kosovo’s independence soon, something Muammar Gaddafi’s government had refused to do. Five days later, Kosovar Foreign Minister Enver Hoxhaj sent a letter to Mahmoud Jibril congratulating him on his faction’s success and informing him that Kosovo recognizes the NTC as Libya’s “legitimate authority”.

That’s an uncomfortable name.

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ProBosniaLiberal Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:41:49pm

And apparently, the Libyan Civil War has resulted in the coalition government in Zimbabwe breaking up.

On 1 Septemner Zimbabwean police arrested foreign journalists in Libyan embassy.[301] Next day staff of embassy of Libya seek refuge in Botswana. The expulsion has broke the fragile coalition between Robert Mugabe and the Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, who said: “My position is it is not up to Zimbabwe to decide what the sovereign right is of the Libyans. It is up to the Libyans to choose their representatives.”

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:43:53pm

re: #120 RadicalModerate

This quote from Ablow told me all I needed to know about his idealogy.

That’s right. To him, for someone who desires gender reassignment (which Chaz dealt with for close to 20 years) - suicide is a perfectly viable option.

Iran, interestingly enough, is OK with gender reassignment. Homosexuality is a criminal offense, but sex changes they appear to be able to handle.

Also, there was a piece in the Daily Fail about a guy who became a woman, decided it wasn’t quite working, and became a guy again. He is now engaged. All I could think of was the interview I once read with a woman who came out as a lesbian after divorcing her husband of many years. Her ex wished her well and told her he hoped women worked out for her, ‘because you’re running out of options’.

Gender and sexuality is one of those things that would be funnier if people were not made to suffer quite so much over it.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:44:35pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s well known that watching transmen dance will blow out a child’s mindless patriotism circuits.

Well, transmen that they know are transmen, anyway..

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:44:57pm

re: #124 WindUpBird

the way he puts that makes it sound as if he’d commit double suicide WITh Chaz Bono

The Chaz Bono thing I liked was that April over at Regretsy went to a Halloween party with her husband, she dressed as Chastity, and he as Chaz. Then someone told them they were being insensitive, and she felt bad, but I thought it was clever.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:47:01pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

The Chaz Bono thing I liked was that April over at Regretsy went to a Halloween party with her husband, she dressed as Chastity, and he as Chaz. Then someone told them they were being insensitive, and she felt bad, but I thought it was clever.

Screw that, that’s clever

IT’S HALLOWEEN, they’re celebrities, it’s fine, people should lighten up!

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Lidane Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:50:08pm

re: #97 ProLifeLiberal

In addition, he wishes the Democrats would grow some nuts.

And I wish that I’d win the Powerball, but that’s not going to happen either. Heh.

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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Fri, Sep 2, 2011 2:52:19pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

The Chaz Bono thing I liked was that April over at Regretsy went to a Halloween party with her husband, she dressed as Chastity, and he as Chaz. Then someone told them they were being insensitive, and she felt bad, but I thought it was clever.

Lol he should have dressed as Chastity and she as Chaz.

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Mattand Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:05:47pm

re: #82 freetoken

That’s a pretty good observation. re: #96 jaunte

Thanks for the link. This was the first I had heard of this. Sounded like it was up there with the whole “7th Fleet was deployed to protect Obama in India” BS.

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Mattand Fri, Sep 2, 2011 3:09:32pm

re: #92 Dragon_Lady

I’ve never been to FL. From what I’ve read and who they’ve recently elected guv, it sounds…unique! The population demographics must be all over the place.

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RogueOne Sat, Sep 3, 2011 3:23:33am

After watching the CNN video shouldn’t the headline read “Florida GOP fights to decriminalize ‘cohabitation’”? When people do the right/smart thing they should get credit for it.

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