The Des Moines Register has live results from the Iowa Caucuses here, if you just can’t wait to find out which GOP candidate is far enough to the right to take this coveted first election prize: 2012 Iowa Republican Caucus Results.
Apparently, the number of caucusoids who say they’re “undecided” this year is very substantial; the GOP base is really playing hard to get.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:04:17pm |
Need to set the mood with the right music
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:04:21pm |
So finally the time has come, soon the modern GOP base will have to make the important choice between the unqaulified and the dishonest!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:07:14pm |
Who is this shadowy "Other"? *cue spooky music*
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:07:52pm |
Let's see how my prediction holds up:
Santorum - 24%
Paul - 23%
Romney - 20%
Gingrich - 15%
Perry - 10%
Bachmann - 6%
Huntsman - 2%
I'm still convinced that Romney cannot win the nomination, but what do I know? :)
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EdDantes Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:08:42pm |
I'm as giddy as a school girl! I'm so excited my sap is rising! What was the question again?
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:08:51pm |
re: #4 bloodstar
Let's see how my prediction holds up:
Santorum - 24%
Paul - 23%
Romney - 20%
Gingrich - 15%
Perry - 10%
Bachmann - 6%
Huntsman - 2%I'm still convinced that Romney cannot win the nomination, but what do I know? :)
If Santorum or Paul wins the nomination, then I don't think I have nearly enough popcorn for the general election.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:09:45pm |
re: #6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If Santorum or Paul wins the nomination, then I don't think I have nearly enough popcorn for the general election.
I still think it's going to be brokered.
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Olsonist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:10:23pm |
re: #4 bloodstar
You forgot Buddy Roemer. How could you forget Buddy Roemer?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:10:45pm |
re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Need to set the mood with the right music
[Video]
The thing about Yaketty Sax is that it strongly implies people running around without pants. Now everyone is forced to imagine Newt Gingrich's pasty buttocks undulating to and fro as the Iowa primary voters playfully run away from him.
Note: the EXACT same imagery applies if you play "Chariots of Fire", except then he's running in slow motion.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:11:12pm |
I think Ron Paul just might win this one. He's on an unstoppable, juggernaut-like roll. His reality distortion field is set on stun. Facts can't withstand it. He's even got the support of Iowa progressives.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:13:24pm |
re: #4 bloodstar
Let's see how my prediction holds up:
Santorum - 24%
Paul - 23%
Romney - 20%
Gingrich - 15%
Perry - 10%
Bachmann - 6%
Huntsman - 2%I'm still convinced that Romney cannot win the nomination, but what do I know? :)
She might be crazy, but Bachmann is nowhere near as much of a just-plain asshole that Rick Perry is. I would actually feel kinda bad for her if Perry beats her.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:13:43pm |
re: #9 negativ
The thing about Yaketty Sax is that it strongly implies people running around without pants. Now everyone is forced to imagine Newt Gingrich's pasty buttocks undulating to and fro as the Iowa primary voters playfully run away from him.
Note: the EXACT same imagery applies if you play "Chariots of Fire", except then he's running in slow motion.
...
Is there an instruction manual somewhere on how to stab out your mind's eye?
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EdDantes Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:14:54pm |
re: #10 Charles
There is something seriously wrong with a candidate who appeals to the extremes of both parties.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:15:05pm |
re: #12 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
...
Is there an instruction manual somewhere on how to stab out your mind's eye?
Check and see if there's eHow instructions for "icepick lobotomy."
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engineer cat Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:16:11pm |
when do we get to the love interest part of the movie where the moderate guy and the conservative gal fall head over heels in love despite their fundamental differences over health insurance policy?
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Big Joe Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:17:20pm |
I'm wondering who will see their results as a sign to drop out of the race. Do the candidates have enough self awareness to see they have no chance to continue?
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Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:17:41pm |
re: #3 negativ
Who is this shadowy "Other"? *cue spooky music*
It must be that Eric guy I keep hearing about.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:18:46pm |
re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It must be that Eric guy I keep hearing about.
Gene Eric Republican?
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Digital Display Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:19:16pm |
re: #10 Charles
I think Ron Paul just might win this one. He's on an unstoppable, juggernaut-like roll. His reality distortion field is set on stun. Facts can't withstand it. He's even got the support of Iowa progressives.
I'm so pissed off at the GOP..I'm glad I left..
They are so serious about America they will probably pick the craziest fucker in modern politics.. Ron Paul.. Shows you the lack of seriousness on their part..
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:19:22pm |
Well, that's an interesting entrance poll.
24% for Paul and Romney, 18 for Santorum and 13 for Gingrich. (11 for Perry, 7 for Bachmann, 1 for Huntsman).
The question is, since this is a poll of the early arrivals... will the later groups support Santorum?
Paul has the ... enthusiastic supporters, Romney has been working to bus people there early, so... their results may be skewed a little high.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:19:37pm |
entrance polls showing crazy uncle in the lead
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Sionainn Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:19:40pm |
re: #6 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
If Santorum or Paul wins the nomination, then I don't think I have nearly enough popcorn for the general election.
That's okay. I'll bake cookies for all!
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:19:51pm |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:20:10pm |
58% of Republicans under 30 are for the Crazy Uncle.
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:20:18pm |
I agree with Charles on this one, I think Paul is gonna pull this one out... If not people have been really exaggerating his "ground game" for quite some time.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:20:43pm |
re: #19 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Gene Eric Republican?
Yeah, that guy.
(YOU RUINED IT FOR ME!)
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:21:23pm |
re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yeah, that guy.
(YOU RUINED IT FOR ME!)
Consider it payback for the "salad" bits earlier today.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:21:38pm |
re: #22 SpaceJesus
entrance polls showing crazy uncle in the lead
If you're gonna go crazy you might as well do it in style.
Laup Nor, accept no substitutes!
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Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:21:45pm |
re: #28 SpaceJesus
there are republicans under the age of 30?
There are libertarians who registered Republican under 30
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:22:04pm |
re: #28 SpaceJesus
there are republicans under the age of 30?
Some people gradually work their heads up their asses as they age, others are simply born that way.
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engineer cat Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:22:06pm |
re: #19 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Gene Eric Republican?
result of iowa caucus:
other 38%
undecided 24%
don't know 22%
none of the above 19%
fish 16%
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Indepublicrat Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:22:16pm |
So tonight is the first of three or four layers of caucuses and conventions that will decide who gets to send 28 Iowa delegates to the national conference where over a thousand delegates are needed to secure the nomination. Why can't I get excited about this?
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Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:22:25pm |
re: #29 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Consider it payback for the "salad" bits earlier today.
Commence to ruing.
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engineer cat Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:23:10pm |
re: #32 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Some people gradually work their heads up their asses as they age, others are simply born that way.
can you have it thrust upon you?
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:24:40pm |
re: #34 Indepublicrat
Maybe if you were waving a giant finger in stadium? Cheerleaders would help. David Gregory's hair just isn't doing it for me.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:25:01pm |
re: #15 engineer dog
when do we get to the love interest part of the movie where the moderate guy and the conservative gal fall head over heels in love despite their fundamental differences over health insurance policy?
It's probably more like Requiem for a Dream, where the main characters start out miserable, and end up even more miserable by the time it's over.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:25:03pm |
re: #36 engineer dog
can you have it thrust upon you?
Indeed, though the GOP frowns upon it, as some portion of the Bible only they're privy to says God hates such people.
/
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:25:14pm |
re: #11 negativ
She might be crazy, but Bachmann is nowhere near as much of a just-plain asshole that Rick Perry is. I would actually feel kinda bad for her if Perry beats her.
I wouldn't. How many girls will die of cervical cancer because of her "gardasil causes metal retardation" lie? She can't lose by a big enough margin.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:26:54pm |
re: #16 mracb
I'm wondering who will see their results as a sign to drop out of the race. Do the candidates have enough self awareness to see they have no chance to continue?
Bachmann's campaign will be effectively over after today, though she may not officially drop out immediately.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:27:39pm |
re: #41 aagcobb
Bachmann's campaign will be effectively over after today, though she may not officially drop out immediately.
Nah, I figure the campaign will lurch on in a zombie-like state for at least a couple more weeks.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:27:41pm |
re: #40 aagcobb
I wouldn't. How many girls will die of cervical cancer because of her "gardasil causes metal retardation" lie? She can't lose by a big enough margin.
I assure you that even if she lives to be 100, Michelle Bachmann will be responsible for a lot less death than Rick Perry.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:27:51pm |
re: #41 aagcobb
Bachmann's campaign will be effectively over after today, though she may not officially drop out immediately.
So you're discounting her whole "We'll see a miracle tonight" deal?
/
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:28:36pm |
re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So you're discounting her whole "We'll see a miracle tonight" deal?
/
The miracle would be if she got a clue.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:28:50pm |
re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So you're discounting her whole "We'll see a miracle tonight" deal?
/
A miracle tonight? What, that she won't finish dead last?
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EdDantes Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:29:14pm |
re: #25 Charles
58% of Republicans under 30 are for the Crazy Uncle.
A good reason for raising the voting age.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:29:29pm |
I hope the bible thumpers all stay in and divide the vote so Paul can do his crazy thing
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:29:29pm |
re: #43 negativ
I assure you that even if she lives to be 100, Michelle Bachmann will be responsible for a lot less death than Rick Perry.
I have no pity for Perry, either. It amuses me that he spent so much money to so little effect.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:30:14pm |
re: #46 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
A miracle tonight? What, that she won't finish dead last?
Hey now, Huntsman (who I actually respect) seems to have that spot wrapped up.
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:30:16pm |
Maddow: If Ron Paul were to run as a Libertarian...
O'Donnell: We would never speak of his existence.
lol
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:31:01pm |
re: #51 Major Tom
Maddow: If Ron Paul were to run as a Libertarian...
O'Donnell: We would never speak of his existence.lol
Yeah, he already tried that and got his ass handed to him. Only way he might consider a second go is if he wins tonight.
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:31:05pm |
Mitt Romney
Newt Gingrich
Ron Paul
Rick Santorum
Michele Bachmann
Rick Perry
In that order. No percentages.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:31:14pm |
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:31:28pm |
re: #50 Atlas Fails
Hey now, Huntsman (who I actually respect) seems to have that spot wrapped up.
She'll finish last among candidates who actually campaigned in Iowa. Massive fail for the local girl.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:32:18pm |
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Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:32:24pm |
I'm pulling for Romney, if only to get drunk on the delicious tears of Freepers.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:33:30pm |
re: #59 Gus 802
Oops. Forgot about Rick Perry. Added him for last place.
No worries, I don't think anybody besides us poli-junkies even remember he's running.
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:33:56pm |
re: #62 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No worries, I don't think anybody besides us poli-junkies even remember he's running.
Poor Rick.
//
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:34:07pm |
The Des Moines Register's caucus results site has been crushed.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:34:08pm |
re: #58 Atlas Fails
I'm pulling for Romney, if only to get drunk on the delicious tears of Freepers.
They would be pretty bummed by Paul as well. I want him to win Iowa, because I want the GOP to reap what it has sown; I want Paul to get a prime time slot at the convention to preach his bad craziness.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:34:19pm |
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Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:35:10pm |
re: #64 Charles
The Des Moines Register's caucus results site has been crushed.
TPM has a page up, but its not updating yet.
[Link: core.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:35:26pm |
If Paul does win we'll never hear the end of it from the Paulbots.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:36:09pm |
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Big Joe Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:36:41pm |
CNN has results coming in on the front page and Fox has this page.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:36:44pm |
According to the NY Times, nearly 30% of caucus goers are independents. That bodes well for Paul.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:37:03pm |
re: #68 Gus 802
I Paul does win we'll never hear the end of it from the Paulbots.
I gave up a couple weeks back, when he first started nudging towards the top, trying to explain to the Paulbots how absolutely pointless winning in Iowa is to the process. 3 out of 8 winners have gone on to the presidency, which isn't even 50/50 odds.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:37:22pm |
re: #68 Gus 802
If Paul does win we'll never hear the end of it from the Paulbots.
Sure we will. When are the NH primaries again?
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Romantic Heretic Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:38:32pm |
re: #49 aagcobb
I have no pity for Perry, either. It amuses me that he spent so much money to so little effect.
Being the cynical bastard I am, I wonder how much of that was taxpayer money?
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:38:38pm |
re: #72 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I gave up a couple weeks back, when he first started nudging towards the top, trying to explain to the Paulbots how absolutely pointless winning in Iowa is to the process. 3 out of 8 winners have gone on to the presidency, which isn't even 50/50 odds.
Yep. And we saw what happened with Huckabee. Everyone made a huge deal about his 2008 Iowa win.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:38:51pm |
re: #74 Gus 802
Don't know.
Next week, and Paul could well finish second there. He is a godsend for Romney.
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:39:59pm |
[Link: elections.nytimes.com...]
NYT
Has a good map
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elizajane Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:40:10pm |
Results at the Iowa Caucuses site: with one precinct reporting, it's Paul winning with 50%, and a tie for second between (wait for this) Perry and Santorum!
It may not be as jolly a night for Willard as he and the whole Republican punditocracy were anticipating.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:40:28pm |
re: #76 Gus 802
Yep. And we saw what happened with Huckabee. Everyone made a huge deal about his 2008 Iowa win.
At the same time, a second-place finish and subsequent breakdown killed Dean's chances in '04. That would be absolutely bloody marvelous, Paul placing second and having a breakdown on live TV.
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ozbloke Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:41:00pm |
Apparantly we are interested here in Stralia
Live map:
[Link: www.abc.net.au...]
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Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:41:15pm |
re: #79 elizajane
Results at the Iowa Caucuses site: with one precinct reporting, it's Paul winning with 50%, and a tie for second between (wait for this) Perry and Santorum!
What % of precincts reporting?
| 83 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:41:55pm |
I think I'm the only one here that has zero interest in Iowa, the GOP in general, and the election next fall...the zealous posts are sort of interesting tho
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Sionainn Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:41:59pm |
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:42:10pm |
re: #80 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
At the same time, a second-place finish and subsequent breakdown killed Dean's chances in '04. That would be absolutely bloody marvelous, Paul placing second and having a breakdown on live TV.
Paul knows he won't be the nominee, so we won't see a Dean moment from him.
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elizajane Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:42:37pm |
re: #82 Atlas Fails
What % of precincts reporting?
One out of 1,774, but hey, when has that ever stopped a pundit from pontificating?
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:42:50pm |
re: #85 aagcobb
Paul knows he won't be the nominee, so we won't see a Dean moment from him.
Nah. We'll see it from his fans though. They'll go nuts.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:43:21pm |
Best get away from Paul's crazy thunder, Santorum
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:43:22pm |
re: #81 ozbloke
Apparantly we are interested here in Stralia
Live map:
[Link: www.abc.net.au...]
The map is also available directly from Google at [Link: google.com...]
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The Mountain That Blogs Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:43:40pm |
[Link: twitter.com...]
Ok, I laughed.
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:43:41pm |
For the Paulbots. A Ron Paul win tonight will mean that he won the presidential election. Almost. ;)
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Digital Display Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:44:03pm |
The Hoopsters talking points for the candidates tonight.. ( You can thank me later )
1. Bachmann: Tell us your freaking resume one more time..We'll probably say it with you word for word...I forget..How many foster kids did you raise? A federal Tax Lawyer? What a surprise..Blah blah blah
2. Paul..It's 1932 all over again..And I'm the one to bring you back in time as we bury America's head in the sand..If it feels right do it kids..( anybody need a hit of China White?)
3. Mitt: And you didn't think the GOP could field a Rich white businessman?
So far..He is your only hope..Vote for Mitt...( Cue the song Run to you by Bryan Adams )
4. Newt: As the smartest man in America why aren't you loving me? You do know I'm the smartest politician in America..Right? Vote for me..
5. Rick S. : I Tebow'd Iowa! Let us pray..( opens one eye )
those Robbo calls from Jesus was really Him last night...I have walked among you for months
6. Huntsman: I'm not really here.. I'm in the studio doing a Nelly song with my daughters...See you soon
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:44:16pm |
re: #87 Gus 802
Nah. We'll see it from his fans though. They'll go nuts.
Ayep. Either way, I get a good laugh tomorrow. Either he wins and I get to watch the wingnuts dissolve into hysterics trying to explain away his win, or he loses and I get to bathe in the tears of Paulians as they try to explain it away with various convoluted conspiracy theories.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:44:31pm |
re: #81 ozbloke
Apparantly we are interested here in Stralia
Live map:
[Link: www.abc.net.au...]
Can't you grow your own crazies?
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:44:40pm |
re: #87 Gus 802
Nah. We'll see it from his fans though. They'll go nuts.
I expect the margin to be very narrow between Romney, Paul and Santorum, and any of the three could win. It may just depend on what percentage of the caucus goers are evangelicals or independents and democrats.
| 99 |
ozbloke Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:45:02pm |
re: #89 Charleston Chew
The map is also available directly from Google at [Link: google.com...]
/ Thanks, but it doesn't include all the intelligent twitter comments
| 100 |
Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:45:44pm |
re: #94 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ayep. Either way, I get a good laugh tomorrow. Either he wins and I get to watch the wingnuts dissolve into hysterics trying to explain away his win, or he loses and I get to bathe in the tears of Paulians as they try to explain it away with various convoluted conspiracy theories.
Yep. The GOP will freak if Paul wins. Ron Paul. Mr. Anti-Israel or whatever you wanna call him. Mr. Hamas ain't so bad!
| 101 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:46:03pm |
God I wish I could vote in Iowa but never have to live there
| 102 |
ozbloke Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:46:38pm |
re: #96 Decatur Deb
Can't you grow your own crazies?
Yes we can!
Oops, I think I've heard that before somewhere.
| 103 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:46:48pm |
re: #100 Gus 802
Yep. The GOP will freak if Paul wins. Ron Paul. Mr. Anti-Israel or whatever you wanna call him. Mr. Hamas ain't so bad!
"How did he win?! Nobody I know voted for him!!!"
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:46:54pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
For the Paulbots. A Ron Paul win tonight will mean that he won the presidential election. Almost. ;)
They'll write an epic poem about it: first stanza, about how he won the Iowa straw poll; stanzas 2 through 50, about the array of conspirators keeping him and his loyal followers out of the White House.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:47:37pm |
re: #104 The Ghost of a Flea
They'll write an epic poem about it: first stanza, about how he won the Iowa straw poll; stanzas 2 through 50, about the array of conspirators keeping him and his loyal followers out of the White House.
The Silliad
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:47:39pm |
re: #103 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"How did he win?! Nobody I know voted for him!!!"
But. But. He's not really a Republican!
| 107 |
Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:47:41pm |
re: #101 SpaceJesus
God I wish I could vote in Iowa but never have to live there
Move to New Hampshire. Their primaries are more important anyway.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:47:53pm |
re: #83 albusteve
I think I'm the only one here that has zero interest in Iowa, the GOP in general, and the election next fall...the zealous posts are sort of interesting tho
Meteor shower tonight!! You prob, will see it great!
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:48:40pm |
re: #104 The Ghost of a Flea
They'll write an epic poem about it: first stanza, about how he won the Iowa straw poll; stanzas 2 through 50, about the array of conspirators keeping him and his loyal followers out of the White House.
Nah, stanzas 2 through 25 are about the conspirators, while 26-50 are about how his presidency would see America become a veritable paradise by the light of his hand and the glory of the Constitution as the Founders "intended it."
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:48:56pm |
"Five people. Five people have voted for Jon Huntsman."
-Wolf Blitzer.
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elizajane Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:48:59pm |
This site has Santorum leading, Paul a close second, Sir Romney of the Many Millions trying hard to catch up:
[Link: www.iowagop.org...]
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albusteve Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:49:13pm |
re: #108 Stanley Sea
Meteor shower tonight!! You prob, will see it great!
I posted about it earlier...nobody cares with the Great Iowa Vote today...LOL, what a farce
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Interesting Times Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:49:32pm |
re: #109 Gus 802
Kaboom!
OK. Him winning would be a hoot.
If I were an Iowa progressive, I would vote for Paul just to fuck with Karl Rove's head :P
| 116 |
Romantic Heretic Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:49:38pm |
From the NYT page.
Ron Paul is the only candidate you can trust to put an end to the uncontrollable spending.
I think this is more correct.
Ron Paul is the only candidate you can trust to put an end to the
uncontrollablespending.
Somehow, Paul is going to run a government that has no income and no spending.
He believes in Santa Claus too.
| 117 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:49:47pm |
re: #112 SpaceJesus
"Five people. Five people have voted for Jon Huntsman."
-Wolf Blitzer.
If we sent a Blackhawk, we could get them all out.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:49:55pm |
re: #99 ozbloke
/ Thanks, but it doesn't include all the intelligent twitter comments
Twitter may be the worst thing to ever happen to political horserace wonks. It's their version of the crack epidemic.
Reminds me of when I was a kid I'd stay up late trying to guess what was in my Christmas presents on Christmas Eve and my mom would tell me that if I just went to bed it would be tomorrow and I could just open them.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:49:59pm |
re: #96 Decatur Deb
Can't you grow your own crazies?
They're too busy running from the Australian butterflies and ponies that all have deadly neurotoxic venom.
| 120 |
Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:50:09pm |
re: #112 SpaceJesus
"Five people. Five people have voted for Jon Huntsman."
-Wolf Blitzer.
Ladies and gentlemen...the Republican Party!
| 121 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:50:19pm |
re: #112 SpaceJesus
"Five people. Five people have voted for Jon Huntsman."
-Wolf Blitzer.
Jon's not even going to rate "Also-Ran" status at this rate. The man thought he'd get his feet wet this time around, set up his bid for '16. Instead, he's pretty much torpedoed his own chances. *sigh*
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:50:49pm |
re: #113 elizajane
The demographics in Iowa supposedly are such that as one goes from East to West the electorate becomes more religious/conservative. I wonder if that will be reflected in those results?
| 123 |
Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:50:55pm |
re: #112 SpaceJesus
"Five people. Five people have voted for Jon Huntsman."
-Wolf Blitzer.
He might even finish behind Cain!
| 124 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:51:10pm |
re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Jon's not even going to rate "Also-Ran" status at this rate. The man thought he'd get his feet wet this time around, set up his bid for '16. Instead, he's pretty much torpedoed his own chances. *sigh*
He has bet everything on NH, and he's going to finish behind luap nor there.
| 125 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:51:21pm |
Ron Paul's official Twitter account is a dick:
@jonhuntsman we found your one Iowa voter, he's in Linn precinct 5 you might want to call him and say thanks.
| 126 |
Jimmi the Grey Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:51:44pm |
re: #114 albusteve
I posted about it earlier...nobody cares with the Great Iowa Vote today...LOL, what a farce
Hay! I don't care about it because there will be way too much cloud cover here in my part of Oregon to view it. Iowa got nothin to do wit it!
| 127 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:52:04pm |
| 128 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:52:30pm |
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Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:52:31pm |
re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Jon's not even going to rate "Also-Ran" status at this rate. The man thought he'd get his feet wet this time around, set up his bid for '16. Instead, he's pretty much torpedoed his own chances. *sigh*
Worse yet, when the GOP inevitably nominates Romney and he runs an uninspired campaign that fails to win him the White House, the base will probably insist that their real problem was running a RINO, and nominate a wackjob ala Santorum in '16.
| 130 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:53:28pm |
re: #125 Charles
Ron Paul's official Twitter account is a dick:
Sure that's not Ron Burgundy's Twitter account? Because they sure know how to "stay classy".
| 133 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:55:11pm |
re: #129 Atlas Fails
Worse yet, when the GOP inevitably nominates Romney and he runs an uninspired campaign that fails to win him the White House, the base will probably insist that their real problem was running a RINO, and nominate a wackjob ala Santorum in '16.
Indeed. A Romney nomination would inspire the same sort of backlash that Kerry's did in '04, with cries of "Moderates don't win elections, 'true' conservatives do!"
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Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:55:39pm |
re: #125 Charles
Ron Paul's official Twitter account is a dick:
...says the guy who's never going to appear on the Republican presidential ticket. Yuck it up for now Luap Nor, but you'll be no less a loser when it's all said and done.
| 135 |
ozbloke Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:55:54pm |
re: #118 Charleston Chew
Twitter may be the worst thing to ever happen to political horserace wonks. It's their version of the crack epidemic.
Reminds me of when I was a kid I'd stay up late trying to guess what was in my Christmas presents on Christmas Eve and my mom would tell me that if I just went to bed it would be tomorrow and I could just open them.
You were lucky, we couldn't afford presents, well except we did get to play with the boxes my Mum and Dads presents came in.
| 137 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:56:05pm |
A tip you may not know -- if you've linked your LGF account to Twitter (in Account Settings), you can tweet an LGF comment by selecting the text, then typing CTRL-Y. Our Twitter posting form pops up with the selected text in it, ready to tweet.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:56:09pm |
re: #133 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Indeed. A Romney nomination would inspire the same sort of backlash that Kerry's did in '04, with cries of "Moderates don't win elections, 'true' conservatives do!"
As opposed to "Oh my god, he's boring. He's so zzzzzz..."
| 139 |
Big Joe Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:56:21pm |
Santorum 25, Paul 24, Romney 23, Newt 14, Perry 10, Bachmann 7
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:56:22pm |
re: #129 Atlas Fails
Worse yet, when the GOP inevitably nominates Romney and he runs an uninspired campaign that fails to win him the White House, the base will probably insist that their real problem was running a RINO, and nominate a wackjob ala Santorum in '16.
MONGO THINK MOAR DERP BETTER!
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:56:27pm |
Independent by the way doesn't always mean moderate. Sorry but I don't know where people got that idea from.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:57:25pm |
re: #141 Gus 802
Independent by the way doesn't always mean moderate. Sorry but I don't know where people got that idea from.
Yep. It's often quite the opposite. You tend to see a lot of people to the left and the right of the two parties that are independents.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:57:31pm |
re: #139 mracb
Santorum 25, Paul 24, Romney 23, Newt 14, Perry 10, Bachmann 7
Is that a report, or your prediction?
| 146 |
Big Joe Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:58:54pm |
CNN gets the percentages a little different than fox
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:59:05pm |
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Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:59:26pm |
re: #133 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Indeed. A Romney nomination would inspire the same sort of backlash that Kerry's did in '04, with cries of "Moderates don't win elections, 'true' conservatives do!"
Well, I was a little young to know anything about politics in '04, but hindsight being what it is, I'd have probably supported Wes Clark, who was pretty moderate. Then again, the far left still hasn't gotten over Dean. I liked some of his positions and his enthusiasm, but anyone who thinks he'd have had a better showing against Bush than Kerry did is fooling themselves.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:59:59pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jan 3, 2012 5:59:59pm |
re: #137 Charles
A tip you may not know -- if you've linked your LGF account to Twitter (in Account Settings), you can tweet an LGF comment by selecting the text, then typing CTRL-Y. Our Twitter posting form pops up with the selected text in it, ready to tweet.
And the posts you like! Make em famous.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:00:27pm |
re: #138 Simply Sarah
As opposed to "Oh my god, he's boring. He's so zzz..."
Yeah, it'll be thrilled to watch Mitt Romney square off against...Mitt Romney, with the Obama campaign watching on the sideline.
| 154 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:00:41pm |
Ron Paul just deleted that tweet, by the way.
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Off Colfax Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:00:42pm |
Seeing as how Huntsman didn't even try to woo the caucus and has absolutely zero organization, I'd say that 5 votes is pretty damn good.
| 156 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:00:48pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:00:56pm |
re: #148 Atlas Fails
Well, I was a little young to know anything about politics in '04, but hindsight being what it is, I'd have probably supported Wes Clark, who was pretty moderate. Then again, the far left still hasn't gotten over Dean. I liked some of his positions and his enthusiasm, but anyone who thinks he'd have had a better showing against Bush than Kerry did is fooling themselves.
I wasn't big on Dean. Thought he was a one trick pony. He had some good ideas like getting the party involved in all states that was good but as a presidential candidate and even president I wouldn't have been impressed. Would have preferred him over Bush but that's another story.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:01:53pm |
re: #129 Atlas Fails
That was Limbaugh's explanation for 2008. It goes like this:
America is majority conservative, and voters overwhelmingly want a conservative president.
Obama is in no way conservative.
But McCain isn't conservative enough.
Therefore, America elected Obama.
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:02:22pm |
re: #154 Charles
Ron Paul just deleted that tweet, by the way.
His campaign did anyway. I'd be surprised if Ron Paul can even use a computer.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:02:40pm |
re: #156 Decatur Deb
Do they allow boob puns on twitter?
You will find out with your many new followers.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:02:42pm |
Since tonight's caucus does not control the actual delegates from Iowa it is little more than a fancy opinion poll, but nevertheless if Romney does end up third that will be a definite sign that the "base" isn't so enthralled with the pre-selected (by the establishment) candidate.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:02:45pm |
re: #148 Atlas Fails
Well, I was a little young to know anything about politics in '04, but hindsight being what it is, I'd have probably supported Wes Clark, who was pretty moderate. Then again, the far left still hasn't gotten over Dean. I liked some of his positions and his enthusiasm, but anyone who thinks he'd have had a better showing against Bush than Kerry did is fooling themselves.
Hate to disagree, but to this day, I still think Wes Clark an arrogant ass who is totally unable to admit when he's wrong. The man not only came close to start WWIII, but then went outside the chain of command in an effort to save his sorry ass.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:03:23pm |
Romney could be in serious trouble in Iowa... The areas he did best in 2008 aren't really coming through for him in 2012. He's winning the counties, but only just... and Ron Paul appears to be winning about 1/3rd of them. And his weaker areas, the middle of Iowa, look like a wasteland for Romney.
| 164 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:03:30pm |
Gary Johnson just announced that he's endorsing Ron Paul instead of running as a Losertarian.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:03:59pm |
re: #158 negativ
That was Limbaugh's explanation for 2008. It goes like this:
America is majority conservative, and voters overwhelmingly want a conservative president.
Obama is in no way conservative.
But McCain isn't conservative enough.
Therefore, America elected Obama.
Makes perfect sense, except for the part where that doesn't make sense.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:04:12pm |
re: #164 Charles
Gary Johnson just announced that he's endorsing Ron Paul instead of running as a Losertarian.
Heh, which makes a Paul third-party run all the more possible.
| 167 |
Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:04:14pm |
re: #164 Charles
Gary Johnson just announced that he's endorsing Ron Paul instead of running as a Losertarian.
Yuck. I hate that guy. He and Buddy Roemer.
| 168 |
Big Joe Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:04:17pm |
Fox has Paul back in the lead, followed by Santorum, then Romney.
| 169 |
Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:05:17pm |
re: #164 Charles
Gary Johnson just announced that he's endorsing Ron Paul instead of running as a Losertarian.
That was fast. So much for only doing that if Paul won the nomination.
| 170 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:05:17pm |
re: #164 Charles
Maybe he is banking on a VP spot should Paul win the nomination
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:05:18pm |
re: #161 freetoken
Since tonight's caucus does not control the actual delegates from Iowa it is little more than a fancy opinion poll, but nevertheless if Romney does end up third that will be a definite sign that the "base" isn't so enthralled with the pre-selected (by the establishment) candidate.
It's more of a way to determine who should drop out than who will win the nomination. Bachmann's toast after tonight.
| 172 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:05:39pm |
re: #168 mracb
The Iowa gop site has them as:
Paul 24%
Romney 24%
Santorum 23%
| 173 |
Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:06:04pm |
re: #162 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hate to disagree, but to this day, I still think Wes Clark an arrogant ass who is totally unable to admit when he's wrong. The man not only came close to start WWIII, but then went outside the chain of command in an effort to save his sorry ass.
He had his faults, but that's a little harsh. Besides, what was Bush going to do, paint him as a warmonger? Ah well, spilled milk now anyway. Candidates I back in primaries (*cough* Hillary *cough*) seem to have pretty bad luck regardless.
| 175 |
Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:06:15pm |
re: #171 Charles
It's more of a way to determine who should drop out than who will win the nomination. Bachmann's toast after tonight.
I hope Jesus breaks it to her gently.
| 176 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:07:21pm |
Is it too early to go off-topic? I'm half-heartedly following the caucus online, and I've just turned my TV to "Celebrity Wife Swap". I hope it's as big a train wreck as it sounds like (tonight's swappers -- Gary Busey and Ted Haggard. How could it not be hilariouis?)
| 177 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:07:24pm |
re: #171 Charles
No doubt its best use is to tell certain candidates to go packing.
So, shall we assume that after tonight the religious right will coalesce behind Santorum, once Perry and Bachmann join Cain in the dumpster?
| 178 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:07:42pm |
re: #173 Atlas Fails
He had his faults, but that's a little harsh. Besides, what was Bush going to do, paint him as a warmonger? Ah well, spilled milk now anyway. Candidates I back in primaries (*cough* Hillary *cough*) seem to have pretty bad luck regardless.
I'm divided on Hillary, as I think she might have been a better president, more likely to give up the "bipartisan" bit earlier and moving on to hardball. But, at the same time, she's such a polarizing figure that it's likely the GOP would have had an easier time playing her up as the bad guy.
| 179 |
Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:08:00pm |
re: #171 Charles
It's more of a way to determine who should drop out than who will win the nomination. Bachmann's toast after tonight.
For sure, unless she's just intent on hanging on for the sake of hanging on.
If she and, say, Perry, drop out of the race, it will be interesting what happens with Santorum and South Carolina. Would there be a unified evangelical base behind him and would that be enough to put him over the top in the south?
| 180 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:08:33pm |
Rachel Maddow just reported that the Gary Johnson report was a hoax.
Undoubtedly planted by a Paulian. That's how they roll.
| 181 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:09:17pm |
re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I hope Jesus breaks it to her gently.
"Oh, that's right. Sorry, Michele. Christmas is my busy season. Totally forgot about you. My bad."
| 182 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:09:50pm |
re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I hope Jesus breaks it to her gently.
"Now honey, I'm not saying you can't be president, I'm just saying it's not gonna happen this year."
| 183 |
Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:10:29pm |
TPM
Ron Paul
24.0%
Mitt Romney
23.2%
Rick Santorum
23.0%
| 186 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:10:57pm |
Paul and Romney are neck and neck. Santorum's fallen slightly back.
Meanwhile, Free For All is comin' round the bend...
| 187 |
Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:11:04pm |
re: #178 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'm divided on Hillary, as I think she might have been a better president, more likely to give up the "bipartisan" bit earlier and moving on to hardball. But, at the same time, she's such a polarizing figure that it's likely the GOP would have had an easier time playing her up as the bad guy.
I was never an Obama-hater by any means, Hillary was just my personal preference. The crocodile tears in NH were kind of a turnoff, and Bill's conspiracy-mongering about Obama's birth certificate reeked of desperation and low class, but I felt like I knew what I was getting with her.
| 188 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:11:04pm |
re: #137 Charles
A tip you may not know -- if you've linked your LGF account to Twitter (in Account Settings), you can tweet an LGF comment by selecting the text, then typing CTRL-Y. Our Twitter posting form pops up with the selected text in it, ready to tweet.
Damn, that is too freaking cool. You really do spoil us...
| 189 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:11:32pm |
re: #182 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"Now honey, I'm not saying you can't be president, I'm just saying it's not gonna happen this year."
Jesus sounds mildly sexist, but I guess he is kinda old. Things were different back in his day.
| 190 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:11:43pm |
There are counties in which Romney doesn't even make it (so far) to fourth place.
That's some pretty weak support for the supposed nominee.
| 191 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:12:07pm |
Ron Paul 24%
I've tuned out this whole Republican Caucus thing lately but if this is even close to accurate it is pretty huge. 3 years ago Ron Paul couldn't draw more than 2-3% in a real world poll. Thanks to Glenn Beck, Tea Party and Fox News.
| 192 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:12:20pm |
What happens if there is a 3-way tie in this thing? Tractor pull?
| 193 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:12:27pm |
re: #163 bloodstar
Romney could be in serious trouble in Iowa... The areas he did best in 2008 aren't really coming through for him in 2012. He's winning the counties, but only just... and Ron Paul appears to be winning about 1/3rd of them. And his weaker areas, the middle of Iowa, look like a wasteland for Romney.
He won't finish worse than third in a very tight race. He'll only be in trouble if Paul beats him in NH.
| 195 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:12:34pm |
Mike Huckabee says these candidates are having trouble connecting to common truck drivers because none of them play the bass
| 196 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:12:56pm |
re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist
Paul and Romney are neck and neck. Santorum's fallen slightly back.
Meanwhile, Free For All is comin' round the bend...
I bet my money on the bob tailed bay
Somebody bet on the gray!
| 197 |
Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:13:16pm |
re: #193 aagcobb
He won't finish worse than third in a very tight race. He'll only be in trouble if Paul beats him in NH.
Well, he might be in trouble in NH ends up actually being close, too. Right now expectations are through the roof there.
| 198 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:13:21pm |
re: #192 SpaceJesus
What happens if there is a 3-way tie in this thing? Tractor pull?
Thunderdome. I hope.
| 200 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:13:56pm |
re: #191 Killgore Trout
I've tuned out this whole Republican Caucus thing lately but if this is even close to accurate it is pretty huge. 3 years ago Ron Paul couldn't draw more than 2-3% in a real world poll. Thanks to Glenn Beck, Tea Party and Fox News.
Yep, it really is the year of Ron Paul, the crackpot juggernaut of far right libertarianism. His moment in the sun.
| 201 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:14:20pm |
re: #191 Killgore Trout
The mainstreaming of fringe ideas and fringe personalities is a bit scary.
| 202 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:14:23pm |
| 203 |
Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:14:34pm |
re: #200 Charles
Yep, it really is the year of Ron Paul, the crackpot juggernaut of far right libertarianism. His moment in the sun.
Hopefully, he'll shrivel up into a prune and disappear afterward.
| 204 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:14:47pm |
@sarahposner
Funny that Huntsman got 0 here since the nice lady who spoke for him made sure to say his wife is Episcopalian and his kids go to Cath schl.
| 205 |
Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:14:56pm |
you know, i still don't really understand how caucuses work or why they're even important.
| 206 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:15:19pm |
re: #200 Charles
Yep, it really is the year of Ron Paul, the crackpot juggernaut of far right libertarianism. His moment in the sun.
It's really pretty epic. Even if he ends up over 10% it's still a huge advance.
| 207 |
EdDantes Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:15:31pm |
They're neck and neck, neck and and it's a photo finish or an oil painting!
| 208 |
Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:15:44pm |
Things are pretty tense at Hamas and Hezbollah headquarters tonight as they're hoping for an upset victory for Ron Paul.
| 209 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:15:50pm |
re: #201 freetoken
The mainstreaming of fringe ideas and fringe personalities is a bit scary.
It has worked remarkably well.
| 210 |
Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:16:23pm |
Iranian Republican Guard has sent it's message of support for Ron Paul as they too await to hear the good news from Iowa.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:16:26pm |
re: #194 Major Tom
Romney unexpectedly doing well.
You realize that Romney got 25% of the vote in 2008?
He may not match his 2008 performance.
| 212 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:16:27pm |
re: #208 Gus 802
Things are pretty tense at Hamas and Hezbollah headquarters tonight as they're hoping for an upset victory for Ron Paul.
Aqua Buddha Ackbar!
| 213 |
The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:16:30pm |
re: #202 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Can't we get beyond Thunderdome?
All Blaster, no Master, does not bode well for Bartertown.
| 214 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:16:35pm |
re: #189 Charleston Chew
Jesus sounds mildly sexist, but I guess he is kinda old. Things were different back in his day.
He's also, well, her Lord and Savior, which I think entitles him to talk as though he were her grandpa.
Maybe he does the grandpa routine to prevent impressionable young women from throwing themselves at him.
| 215 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:16:35pm |
re: #209 Killgore Trout
It has worked remarkably well
... to make Rupert Murdoch, Glenn Beck, and gold hucksters lots and lots of money.
| 217 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:17:45pm |
re: #215 freetoken
... to make Rupert Murdoch, Glenn Beck, and gold hucksters lots and lots of money.
Let's not ignore the future earnings from Obama's second term.
Win!
| 218 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:17:56pm |
| 219 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:18:27pm |
re: #207 EdDantes
They're neck and neck, neck and and it's a photo finish or an oil painting!
... and Beetlebaum
| 220 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:18:38pm |
Any one brave enough to take in the Palin/Trump/Cain analysis on Fox?
| 221 |
Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:19:15pm |
With 16% of precincts reporting in, I can now project that Buddy Roemer will not win the Iowa Caucus. I repeat, Simply Sarah is projecting that Buddy Roemer will not win the Iowa Caucus.
| 222 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:19:52pm |
re: #220 Stanley Sea
Any one brave enough to take in the Palin/Trump/Cain analysis on Fox?
The turducken of punditry.
| 223 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:20:10pm |
re: #220 Stanley Sea
Any one brave enough to take in the Palin/Trump/Cain analysis on Fox?
I'm allergic to bullshit. Just 10 seconds of exposure to that could put me into anaphylactic shock.
| 224 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:20:59pm |
re: #220 Stanley Sea
Any one brave enough to take in the Palin/Trump/Cain analysis on Fox?
"This Nearly Was Mine".
| 225 |
Off Colfax Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:21:23pm |
re: #220 Stanley Sea
Any one brave enough to take in the Palin/Trump/Cain analysis on Fox?
They're praising Romney for his ground game and determination with Trippi and Rove as the designated bobbleheads.
| 226 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:23:47pm |
I think I might actually be beating Huntsman in Iowa right now
| 227 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:24:04pm |
re: #226 SpaceJesus
I think I might actually be beating Huntsman in Iowa right now
with a stick or a whip?
| 228 |
jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:24:11pm |
re: #165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Makes perfect sense, except for the part where that doesn't make sense.
| 229 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:24:43pm |
The more than $4 million Perry dropped in Iowa has bought him less than 10% so far, and local gal isn't even drawing 6%. Couldn't happen to a nicer couple.
| 230 |
Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:25:16pm |
re: #229 aagcobb
The more than $4 million Perry dropped in Iowa has bought him less than 10% so far, and local gal isn't even drawing 6%. Couldn't happen to a nicer couple.
So, bets on who throws in the towel first?
| 231 |
Romantic Heretic Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:25:31pm |
From the NYT page.
His business experience seems to have helped Mr. Romney attract voters concerned about the economy. Among voters who said the economy was the issue that mattered most in deciding whom to support, a plurality, about three in ten said they would support Mr. Romney. He also garnered over a third of caucus goers, a plurality, who said that working in business better prepares a candidate to serve effectively as president.
Um, are we talking about the same people that crashed the banks? Invented asset backed commercial papers? Derivatives? Who leant money to pretty much any one who wanted a house no matter how bad their credit history sucked?
I want some of what these people are smoking.
| 232 |
Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:25:45pm |
Fox News has a live stream at [Link: live.foxnews.com...]
I enjoy watching Fox News when it's a story that I don't care if they lie about. Savored watching them call the 2008 election for Obama like they were Cronkite in that famous clip of him announcing the death of JFK.
| 233 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:25:59pm |
re: #230 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So, bets on who throws in the towel first?
Bachmann. Perry will probably stay in at least through S.C.
| 234 |
Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:26:11pm |
re: #231 Romantic Heretic
From the NYT page.
Um, are we talking about the same people that crashed the banks? Invented asset backed commercial papers? Derivatives? Who leant money to pretty much any one who wanted a house no matter how bad their credit history sucked?
I want some of what these people are smoking.
If it's making them support Mitt, you might want to rethink that.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:26:24pm |
WaPo tweet:
Unchanged from 2008 #iacaucus: 99% white
Not exactly representative of the nation as a whole.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:26:54pm |
What I want to know is ,, who is "Other"
Other
0.1%
12
votes
I mean ,, thats more than Cain and Roemer have combined ,,, but who is that masked man/woman!?!?!
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:26:59pm |
If Ron Paul wins tonight, Iowa evangelicals will have voted to make pot legal.
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erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:27:01pm |
So I spilled coffee into my reasonably-new laptop about three years ago. Conked out the optical drive, which the computer wanted to see to boot, so I physically removed the drive. Who needs optical anymore, anyway? Soon forgot about it.
Three years later, about time to sell it off to the next guy. Who wants an optical drive (!?). I guess advertising-folks still pass stuff around on CD. Grab the drive off the shelf, stick it in, and what do you know. The damned thing actually works.
Never throw away ostensibly water-ruined electronics!
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:27:39pm |
re: #237 Charles
If Ron Paul wins tonight, Iowa evangelicals will have voted to make pot legal.
They might be happy though because Ron Paul could very easily bring about the destruction of Israel.
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Robert O. Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:27:52pm |
I do recall predicting (about two weeks ago) L. Ron Paul may just squeak Iowa because of all the worshippers he has at the Church of Aynrandology. Well...I could be right. It looks like a tight race between Romney, Paul and Santorum. I did NOT see the last one coming (I had Gingrich's name instead of Santorum). Then again, the crazy wing has run out of candidates to turn to (the Gingrich collapse happened sooner than two-month-candidates Perry and Cain), so I guess Santorum is the "default" option for crazies who don't want Ron Paul.
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:27:54pm |
The first video at [Link: caucuses.desmoinesregister.com...] is a real winner.
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Off Colfax Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:28:40pm |
re: #230 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I am. I've got a roast to carve, NCIS to watch, and an Imperial to take to Solitude and the Bard's College.
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Romantic Heretic Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:28:46pm |
From the NYT page
AMES, Iowa -- Aaron Hintz, 32, stood up and raised his fist in the air in triumph, as he heard the announcement that Ron Paul won the precinct here, beating Mitt Romney.
"Eventually other people will come around to Ron Paul," he said, smiling as people got up to leave. "He's not someone you can learn about in five minutes."
No, you can learn about him in three.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:29:15pm |
re: #238 erik_t
So I spilled coffee into my reasonably-new laptop about three years ago. Conked out the optical drive, which the computer wanted to see to boot, so I physically removed the drive. Who needs optical anymore, anyway? Soon forgot about it.
Three years later, about time to sell it off to the next guy. Who wants an optical drive (!?). I guess advertising-folks still pass stuff around on CD. Grab the drive off the shelf, stick it in, and what do you know. The damned thing actually works.
Never throw away ostensibly water-ruined electronics!
Laptop optical drives work in mysterious ways. Mine likes to pop open randomly.
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Kronocide Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:29:37pm |
re: #237 Charles
If Ron Paul wins tonight, Iowa evangelicals will have voted to make pot legal.
Stealing.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:29:45pm |
re: #242 Off Colfax
I am. I've got a roast to carve, NCIS to watch, and an Imperial to take to Solitude and the Bard's College.
Any arrows to the knee yet?
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:29:59pm |
re: #239 Gus 802
Even if Paul gets the nom, he will not win the general. He will however, probably implode the GOP, which is the best thing that could ever possibly happen.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:30:32pm |
re: #244 Romantic Heretic
Ames is a college town (ISU).
And, the other big college town (UofI), Iowa City, likewise has a strong Paul contingent.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:30:43pm |
I'm impressed by the fact that by the time we got here, every big name candidate except for Huntsman had a period of being on top, even if it was only for a week. I admit to not having expected Santorum, but I suppose everyone needed a chance. I mean, that's how the GOP works, right? All rich white guys need a chance to succeed.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:30:59pm |
re: #239 Gus 802
They might be happy though because Ron Paul could very easily bring about the destruction of Israel.
Better men than Ron Paul have tried and failed.
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:31:06pm |
re: #237 Charles
If Paul wins tonight, the evangelicals will formally split from the libertarians.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:32:00pm |
re: #250 Simply Sarah
All rich white guys need a chance to succeed.
I'm not sure Santorum is really "rich". The closest he's probably been to real money is when he represented Vince McMahon in the latter's steroid trial.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:32:25pm |
re: #248 SpaceJesus
Even if Paul gets the nom, he will not win the general. He will however, probably implode the GOP, which is the best thing that could ever possibly happen.
As Barney Frank said about Gingrich, I haven't lived a good enough life to be rewarded with luap nor as the GOP nominee.
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recusancy Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:32:45pm |
re: #192 SpaceJesus
What happens if there is a 3-way tie in this thing? Tractor pull?
Fried butter eating contest. Side of Santorum optional.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:33:02pm |
re: #248 SpaceJesus
Even if Paul gets the nom, he will not win the general. He will however, probably implode the GOP, which is the best thing that could ever possibly happen.
I disagree. We need two strong political parties for our system to work. Sadly, it seems just a matter of time before the GOP has to completely retool itself like the Democrats after back-to-back debacles (Mondale and Dukakis) or face going the way of the Whigs.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:33:13pm |
Romney, Santorum, and Paul are all tied at 23%.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:33:28pm |
At the DSM Register site (which has switched me to a blog type site of theirs from the map), all the adverts are from the Obama campaign.
Hehe.
| 259 |
Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:33:37pm |
Luap Nor has 21% of Evangelical Support according to MSNBC entrance poll.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:33:43pm |
re: #253 freetoken
I'm not sure Santorum is really "rich". The closest he's probably been to real money is when he represented Vince McMahon in the latter's steroid trial.
Relatively speaking, I'm sure he's rather well off.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:33:45pm |
26% reporting, and Mitt is back in the lead, with Lady's Fancy right behind him.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:33:59pm |
Wow. 24% reporting, and Santorum has a 7 vote lead over Paul.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:34:39pm |
re: #256 Atlas Fails
But we need the social conservatives isolated in order to make and preserve social progress.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:35:03pm |
That changed fast. Other is now ahead of Huntsman.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:35:10pm |
re: #252 Major Tom
If Paul wins tonight, the evangelicals will formally split from the libertarians.
I seriously doubt it, because there's more overlap between those two groups right now than you might think.
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Charleston Chew Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:35:25pm |
re: #256 Atlas Fails
I disagree. We need two strong political parties for our system to work. Sadly, it seems just a matter of time before the GOP has to completely retool itself like the Democrats after back-to-back debacles (Mondale and Dukakis) or face going the way of the Whigs.
I'd add McGovern and Carter to that list. Carter didn't win '76; "Not Nixon" won that year.
| 270 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:35:45pm |
re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist
26% reporting, and Mitt is back in the lead, with Lady's Fancy right behind him.
I like Lady Fancys Behind!
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engineer cat Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:36:13pm |
re: #243 mracb
3 way tie for first now, 24% each.
the romney particle and one anti-romney particle annihilate each other and we're left with an anti-romney particle spinning wildly out of control
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:36:41pm |
re: #267 talon_262
I seriously doubt it, because there's more overlap between those two groups right now than you might think.
The Paleo-Libertarian wing Which has migrated to the Republican party, yes. but not the Non Republican Libertarians. They never joined up
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:37:00pm |
re: #268 albusteve
kinda like NASCAR...what lap is it?
If this was a "500", we'd be just over 125 miles into it
| 275 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:37:53pm |
re: #264 Gus 802
Romney ahead.
Dallas and Linn Counties are coming in... Both are Romney strongholds.
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Robert O. Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:38:23pm |
Strategically speaking, though, isn't this one of the best results Democrats can hope for? i.e., An inconclusive opening to the Republican primary season paving the way for a long campaign, in which candidates have pummeled each other to death before the General election, everyone has wasted their campaign money, and voters are tired of hearing about these deeply flawed candidates? Not that I think Obama needs any help to defeat the GOP in November, but anything helps, especially if Obama gets longer coattails and help keep the Senate Democratic, and potentially overturn the House as well.
| 277 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:38:36pm |
Legal pot but illegal abortions? Tough choice but I've smoked more pot than I've had abortions.
Ron Paul!
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:38:40pm |
re: #275 bloodstar
Dallas and Linn Counties are coming in... Both are Romney strongholds.
That should help Perry ,, no !?!?!
//
| 279 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:38:51pm |
Political Porn 2012! Whoo-hoo! 23-23-23...I'll bet Herman Cain wishes he thought that up!
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:39:37pm |
re: #270 sattv4u2
I like Lady Fancys Behind!
If you're going to put a horse in high office, you might as well pick one with Senatorial experience.
Incatatus 2012
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:40:29pm |
re: #276 Robert O.
Strategically speaking, though, isn't this one of the best results Democrats can hope for? i.e., An inconclusive opening to the Republican primary season paving the way for a long campaign, in which candidates have pummeled each other to death before the General election, everyone has wasted their campaign money, and voters are tired of hearing about these deeply flawed candidates? Not that I think Obama needs any help to defeat the GOP in November, but anything helps, especially if Obama gets longer coattails and help keep the Senate Democratic, and potentially overturn the House as well.
No, because the only candidate in the race who could go the distance with Romney was Perry, and he just curled up and died. Santorum shot his wad in Iowa, and Paul can't win the nomination.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:40:41pm |
re: #279 darthstar
23-23-23...I'll bet Herman Cain wishes he thought that up!
23... that's a lot of women, even for the self-declared stud.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:40:59pm |
re: #281 The Ghost of a Flea
If you're going to put a horse in high office, you might as well pick one with Senatorial experience.
Incatatus 2012
Pencil.
| 286 |
Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:41:13pm |
Is there another place to check other than the Des Moines Register? The site is freezing and still shows Paul in the lead.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:41:40pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:41:55pm |
re: #282 Gus 802
When will this be over because I really have to masturbate.
//
And you can't do it while Iowa hangs in the balance?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:41:57pm |
re: #286 eclectic infidel
Is there another place to check other than the Des Moines Register? The site is freezing and still shows Paul in the lead.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
| 290 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:42:10pm |
No Preference has just pulled ahead of Other
Go,,,,, Ambivalence!
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sagehen Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:42:13pm |
re: #276 Robert O.
Strategically speaking, though, isn't this one of the best results Democrats can hope for? i.e., An inconclusive opening to the Republican primary season paving the way for a long campaign, in which candidates have pummeled each other to death before the General election, everyone has wasted their campaign money, and voters are tired of hearing about these deeply flawed candidates? Not that I think Obama needs any help to defeat the GOP in November, but anything helps, especially if Obama gets longer coattails and help keep the Senate Democratic, and potentially overturn the House as well.
With a nationally televised debate every week -- the oppo research writes itself.
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BishopX Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:42:27pm |
re: #276 Robert O.
I'm not so sure about this anymore. Look at 2008, the Obama/Clinton knock down drag out fight effectivly starved the McCain campaign of oxygen for more than a quarter. No one paid attention to the sure race. If Obama can keep his name in the news (positively) throught the primary season he's okay, if all anyone hears about is the primary there might be trouble.
| 293 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:42:49pm |
Even the Iowa GOP site is starting to choke.
What ever happened to all that excess bandwidth?
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:42:50pm |
Romney made a huge mistake by predicting he'd win Iowa. Top three, yes, that'd be confident without sounding arrogant. Iowa is never going to be his home turf, and there was no real evidence that he had a convincing lead, just a few polls that were taken that showed him a few percentage points ahead.
If he doesn't win, Paul, Santorum and Gingrich will all spin it as evidence that Romney is weak, Then all bets are off. Because it will be effectively a 4 way race.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:43:28pm |
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:43:31pm |
I'm using politico.com and cnn.com for my updates. They're both holding up fairly well so far.
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:44:05pm |
re: #295 Slumbering Behemoth
Procrastibator!
See. I knew you'd swing by after I made that comment. It's like a Bat-Signal.
//
| 298 |
Interesting Times Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:44:22pm |
re: #282 Gus 802
When will this be over because I really have to masturbate.
I didn't realize a Paul/Santorum/Romney three-way could be so...inspiring *_*
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sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:44:39pm |
re: #282 Gus 802
When will this be over because I really have to masturbate.
//
here's some inspiration!
Image: Rosie+Khalid.jpg
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:44:56pm |
re: #297 Gus 802
"Dick Joke-dar". I has it.
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:44:58pm |
re: #298 publicityStunted
I didn't realize a Paul/Santorum/Romney three-way could be so...inspiring *_*
I'm going to steal part of that! ;)
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erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:44:59pm |
re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist
And you can't do it while Iowa hangs in the balance?
Have you seen Iowa?!
/
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Atlas Fails Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:45:07pm |
re: #294 bloodstar
Romney made a huge mistake by predicting he'd win Iowa. Top three, yes, that'd be confident without sounding arrogant. Iowa is never going to be his home turf, and there was no real evidence that he had a convincing lead, just a few polls that were taken that showed him a few percentage points ahead.
If he doesn't win, Paul, Santorum and Gingrich will all spin it as evidence that Romney is weak, Then all bets are off. Because it will be effectively a 4 way race.
Unfortunately, I don't think I've lived a good enough life to see any of those three as the GOP nominee.
| 305 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:46:17pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:46:48pm |
re: #301 Slumbering Behemoth
"Dick Joke-dar". I has it.
It's like Gaydar, except instead of detecting gays, I can detect distant set ups for dick jokes.
| 307 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:47:01pm |
The Des Moines Register site clearly is choking under the pressure. Lots of attention being paid to this circus. I guess this is what modern people do when they are bored.
| 308 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:47:10pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:47:29pm |
re: #277 Killgore Trout
Legal pot but illegal abortions? Tough choice but I've smoked more pot than I've had abortions.
Ron Paul!
Well sure until all of that pot smoking leads to somebody getting pregnant.
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erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:47:34pm |
re: #306 Slumbering Behemoth
It's like Gaydar, except instead of detecting gays, I can detect distant set ups for dick jokes.
Seems a little short on utility. It must be hard to use.
| 311 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:47:45pm |
At the NY Times, Nate Silver says this is a good result for Huntsman, because it gives bandwidth for speculation that he might get his turn to surge in NH. Huntsman is getting 0.6% of the vote in Iowa.
| 312 |
sattv4u2 Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:47:51pm |
re: #307 freetoken
The Des Moines Register site clearly is choking under the pressure. Lots of attention being paid to this circus. I guess this is what modern people do when they are bored.
It has a distribution of dozens. What did you expect?
| 313 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:47:57pm |
re: #299 aagcobb
I'm afraid that's wishful thinking.
I'm curious why you think it's wishful thinking?
Look, about 2/3rds of the Republican party does not like Romney. They tolerate him, but if they even get a whiff that he's not the inevitable nominee, they're not going to unify behind him.
What part of my suppositions do you disagree with?
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erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:48:46pm |
re: #311 aagcobb
At the NY Times, Nate Silver says this is a good result for Huntsman, because it gives bandwidth for speculation that he might get his turn to surge in NH. Huntsman is getting 0.6% of the vote in Iowa.
I think that's an unfair mischaracterization; Silver is saying that this result is essentially required for Huntsman's camel-through-eye-of-needle path to the nomination. In this I think he is correct.
| 315 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:49:16pm |
re: #310 erik_t
Seems a little short on utility. It must be hard to use.
Some people get x-ray vision, some people get super speed, but that's what I got. I admit, it's a pretty lame super power, but ya work with what ya got.
| 316 |
aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:50:12pm |
re: #313 bloodstar
I'm curious why you think it's wishful thinking?
Look, about 2/3rds of the Republican party does not like Romney. They tolerate him, but if they even get a whiff that he's not the inevitable nominee, they're not going to unify behind him.
What part of my suppositions do you disagree with?
Perry was the only candidate with the money and organization to go toe to toe with Romney nationally, and he's been crushed. Gingrich can't spin finishing behind Paul and Santorum as good, and he's going to finish behind Paul again in NH. Romney has this thing locked down, thanks to Paul.
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erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:50:15pm |
re: #315 Slumbering Behemoth
Some people get x-ray vision, some people get super speed, but that's what I got. I admit, it's a pretty lame super power, but ya work with what ya got.
You seem to have missed the thrust of my argument. Shall I try a different approach?
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:50:31pm |
re: #312 sattv4u2
It has a distribution of dozens. What did you expect?
It's actually one of the better established newspapers in the region, award winner and all of that. But, they clearly weren't expecting the onslaught of online interest. The old media still struggles with the new technologies.
| 319 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:50:38pm |
re: #311 aagcobb
At the NY Times, Nate Silver says this is a good result for Huntsman, because it gives bandwidth for speculation that he might get his turn to surge in NH. Huntsman is getting 0.6% of the vote in Iowa.
Huntsman is far too sane to have a surge in this election.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:50:48pm |
re: #304 Atlas Fails
Unfortunately, I don't think I've lived a good enough life to see either of those three as the GOP nominee.
Right now Gingrich is more than 9% behind Romney, and Luap Nor is only 2% ahead. So Romney's right in this thing, and Newt isn't. Have faith.
| 321 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:51:07pm |
re: #317 erik_t
You seem to have missed the thrust of my argument. Shall I try a different approach?
Just be careful with it, lest you get, uh, blocked...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:51:15pm |
re: #317 erik_t
You seem to have missed the thrust of my argument. Shall I try a different approach?
By all means. The more dick jokes the merrier.
Ooh, another one just came to me... Ron Paul.
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Robert O. Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:51:25pm |
re: #292 BishopX
I'm not so sure about this anymore. Look at 2008, the Obama/Clinton knock down drag out fight effectivly starved the McCain campaign of oxygen for more than a quarter. No one paid attention to the sure race. If Obama can keep his name in the news (positively) throught the primary season he's okay, if all anyone hears about is the primary there might be trouble.
Good points. I think 2008 was unique though. In McCain, the GOP happened to stumble onto their most electable candidate who kept pace with Obama until voters found out about Palin's inadequacies, and the economic disaster sealed his fate. Also, the Democratic primary was not that bloody. Obama was never fatally flawed. All Clinton found was some Jeremiah Wright videos, but it was clear Obama had nothing to do with his sermons, unlike Ron Paul's newsletters under his name. The flaws with Republicans - like Romney's serial flip-flopping - are far more damaging than any flaw Obama had. So I still think the longer Republicans have to go ultra-negative, bludgeon each other, the better it is for Obama.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:51:31pm |
re: #292 BishopX
I'm not so sure about this anymore. Look at 2008, the Obama/Clinton knock down drag out fight effectivly starved the McCain campaign of oxygen for more than a quarter. No one paid attention to the sure race. If Obama can keep his name in the news (positively) throught the primary season he's okay, if all anyone hears about is the primary there might be trouble.
The Obama/Clinton fight wasn't a clown show like the GOP race has been. The protracted Democratic primary was beneficial because both candidates were serious, well liked and almost equally electable. Whoever won would have been stronger in the general because they stared off strong. All of the GOP candidates are ridiculous in some way. The more you see the more you don't like what you see.
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Kragar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:51:57pm |
Mitt Romney
23.4%
7,844 Votes
Rick Santorum
23.0%
7,726 Votes
Ron Paul
22.8%
7,655 Votes
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:52:06pm |
Stop the Zionist brain rays!
Image: 610x.jpg
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:52:11pm |
re: #319 Charles
Huntsman is far too sane to have a surge in this election.
And, even then, Huntsman is as much of a cynical panderer as Mitt is.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:52:34pm |
re: #314 erik_t
I think that's an unfair mischaracterization; Silver is saying that this result is essentially required for Huntsman's camel-through-eye-of-needle path to the nomination. In this I think he is correct.
I was more noting the irony of it. Huntsman did write off Iowa, and the ambiguity of this result does give him his only, very slight, hope of getting in this race.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:52:38pm |
re: #319 Charles
Huntsman is far too sane to have a surge in this election.
A few days ago, 6 of the Memorandum headlines simultaneously contained the words "Santorum" and "Surge".
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:53:14pm |
re: #325 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Mitt Romney
23.4%
7,844 VotesRick Santorum
23.0%
7,726 VotesRon Paul
22.8%
7,655 Votes
Looks like it's gonna end up being a squeaker for whoever does win.
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erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:53:54pm |
re: #328 aagcobb
Fair enough. I can be doubleplus ungood with the wordusing thinkorganing.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:54:14pm |
re: #316 aagcobb
Perry was the only candidate with the money and organization to go toe to toe with Romney nationally, and he's been crushed. Gingrich can't spin finishing behind Paul and Santorum as good, and he's going to finish behind Paul again in NH. Romney has this thing locked down, thanks to Paul.
Ron Paul is crazy enough not to quit until the last primary. If Romney has to keep debating him it will be hilarious.
| 333 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:55:16pm |
re: #326 Killgore Trout
Somebody reboot Paulbot. That smart ass little eight year old hit him with a logic bomb.
| 334 |
Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:55:19pm |
re: #332 moderatelyradicalliberal
Ron Paul is crazy enough not to quit until the last primary. If Romney has to keep debating him it will be hilarious.
I want to see Paul take it to the convention!
| 335 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:55:34pm |
This show is a lot different than it was when I used to watch it with my grandmother way back when...
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:56:09pm |
re: #332 moderatelyradicalliberal
Ron Paul is crazy enough not to quit until the last primary. If Romney has to keep debating him it will be hilarious.
Paul is not quitting. His organization is going to win him delegates in caucus states, and I believe he is going to come in 2d in NH. He is the anti-Romney.
| 339 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:56:12pm |
CNN loses the feed at Ron Paul headquarters immediately after the soldier being interviewed mentions Israel
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:57:34pm |
MSNBC blog:
[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]
1) Young voters and independents: If Paul wins, he can thank younger voters. He is winning 52% of caucus-goers ages 17 to 29, who make up 15% of all GOP participants -- up from 11% four years ago. Second, he can thank independents -- almost half of whom are backing Paul. And third, he's getting nearly 40% support from first-time caucus-goers.
2) Electability and the economy: If Romney wins, according to the entrance polls, it will be due in large part to electability. A plurality of participants -- 30% -- say the quality that matters most to them is the ability to beat President Obama, and Romney gets 48% from that group. On the other hand, Romney gets just 1% from the 26% who are looking for a true conservative, and he gets just 10% from those looking for a nominee with a strong moral character.
The economy also is benefiting Romney -- with four in 10 saying it's the issue that matters the most to them, and he wins 31% from that group.
3) Evangelicals: If Santorum wins, it will be due to strength among evangelical caucus-goers who rallied around him. Nearly six in 10 say they are evangelical or born-again Christians, and Santorum is getting 30% of that vote -- compared with 21% for Paul, 14% for Newt Gingrich, and 13% for both Rick Perry and Romney.
And among the 47% who describe themselves as "very conservative," Santorum is getting 33% -- versus 18% for Paul, Gingrich at 14%, and Perry and Romney at 13%.
Paul brings 'em in the door, which any promoter will tell you is what matters.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:57:44pm |
The more the field gets whittled down, the more extreme the craziness is going to become. Especially with Paul sticking in til the end, gaining "relevance" as the rest of the field falls off. Look for a good-sized schism at or after the convention.
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:57:51pm |
re: #339 SpaceJesus
CNN loses the feed at Ron Paul headquarters immediately after the soldier being interviewed mentions Israel
Really?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:57:53pm |
Just a theory,
If Frothy comes in a strong second after being a virtual non-entity wouldn't that result in evangelicals uniting behind him? Their split votes combined is a lot more than Romney's 25%. If he stays in and Paul keeps going couldn't this thing be roughly split three ways until Super Tuesday?
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:58:05pm |
Like it or not, Ron Paul is the Republican party's number one salesman for new adherents.
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erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:58:36pm |
re: #321 talon_262
Just be careful with it, lest you get, uh, blocked...
Almost fifteen minutes, and... nothing. These people can be impossible to please.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:59:15pm |
re: #343 moderatelyradicalliberal
That's what I asked earlier. I assume every one will expect the religious right to champion Santorum as their adjutant Savior.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:59:18pm |
re: #345 erik_t
Almost fifteen minutes, and... nothing. These people can be impossible to please.
Maybe they just need some posts ribbed for their pleasure.
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Linden Arden Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:59:30pm |
re: #339 SpaceJesus
CNN loses the feed at Ron Paul headquarters immediately after the soldier being interviewed mentions Israel
I saw that. The soldier had a Twin Towers tattoo on his neck.
Some cosmic force knocked out the feed.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:59:40pm |
re: #334 Simply Sarah
I want to see Paul take it to the convention!
The only reason Paul won't make an independent run after the convention is that it would hurt his son's standing in the party.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 3, 2012 6:59:43pm |
re: #313 bloodstar
I'm curious why you think it's wishful thinking?
Look, about 2/3rds of the Republican party does not like Romney. They tolerate him, but if they even get a whiff that he's not the inevitable nominee, they're not going to unify behind him.
What part of my suppositions do you disagree with?
They don't need to rally around him in January, they need to rally around him in April when he locks things up. Better the party not unify right away. since a couple months of primary contests will let people have their say and allow Romney to be seen as the clear winner.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:00:01pm |
re: #316 aagcobb
Perry was the only candidate with the money and organization to go toe to toe with Romney nationally, and he's been crushed. Gingrich can't spin finishing behind Paul and Santorum as good, and he's going to finish behind Paul again in NH. Romney has this thing locked down, thanks to Paul.
I can't disagree with most of your logic, but remember, there's several months go get a ground game going. And while Romney has unlimited money (both personally and from super PACs), you can spend all the money in the world and if someone doesn't personally like you, they're still going to not like you and the more Romney seems to talk, the less he's liked.
Don't get me wrong, Romney is going to win New Hampshire, but I don't think he can win South Caroline if he doesn't win Iowa.
If Romney doesn't win here, I'm still sticking to my broke(red) convention.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:00:51pm |
re: #343 moderatelyradicalliberal
Just a theory,
If Frothy comes in a strong second after being a virtual non-entity wouldn't that result in evangelicals uniting behind him? Their split votes combined is a lot more than Romney's 25%. If he stays in and Paul keeps going couldn't this thing be roughly split three ways until Super Tuesday?
Santorum has no organization outside Iowa and no money. Romney's superpac will crush him.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:01:35pm |
re: #344 freetoken
Like it or not, Ron Paul is the Republican party's number one salesman for new adherents.
Republicans just get better and better, at this rate they'll be playing in their own waste to get votes next cycle
Who will climb to the top of Iowa's shit mountain?!?! Will it be the sweatshop-defending fetus-wielding psycho? Will it be the soul-less oligarch? Or will it be the rumplestiltskin white supremacist?
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:01:50pm |
Bah, they need to hurry up and report in results. I'm getting bored here.
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jaunte Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:01:51pm |
Western and southern Iowa pausing for a little nap.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:02:46pm |
re: #352 bloodstar
I can't disagree with most of your logic, but remember, there's several months go get a ground game going. And while Romney has unlimited money (both personally and from super PACs), you can spend all the money in the world and if someone doesn't personally like you, they're still going to not like you and the more Romney seems to talk, the less he's liked.
Don't get me wrong, Romney is going to win New Hampshire, but I don't think he can win South Caroline if he doesn't win Iowa.
If Romney doesn't win here, I'm still sticking to my broke(red) convention.
But polling shows that most Republicans like Romney, and will accept his nomination. Its just the activists who loathe him.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:03:09pm |
re: #355 Simply Sarah
Bah, they need to hurry up and report in results. I'm getting bored here.
And there we go! And it's still a three-headed race.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:03:39pm |
re: #347 freetoken
That's what I asked earlier. I assume every one will expect the religious right to champion Santorum as their adjutant Savior.
Yeah, I'm not saying Romney won't get the nomination because the big money boys will make sure that he does, but if a real evangelical stays in the race along with Paul, that may make Romney's coronation a lot more difficult and keep the GOP crazy from disappearing in a timely manner before the general election.
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:04:24pm |
re: #356 jaunte
Western and southern Iowa pausing for a little nap.
There's a line of Buicks on the highway.
//
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darthstar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:05:38pm |
re: #320 Dark_Falcon
Right now Gingrich is more than 9% behind Romney, and Luap Nor is only 2% ahead. So Romney's right in this thing, and Newt isn't. Have faith.
I have faith...some asshole will win, and 40% of America will support him without thinking no matter how crazy he is.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:05:53pm |
re: #350 moderatelyradicalliberal
The only reason Paul won't make an independent run after the convention is that it would hurt his son's standing in the party.
That I agree with. Rand Paul is to Ron Paul as mitt Romney is to his own (since deceased) father. In both cases the son is not the original that the father is/was and is much more of a careerist within the party. Rand Paul could not survive as a Senator without a party and the GOP would force him to politically disown his father if Ron ran as a 3rd party candidate and would cast him out if he refused.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:05:55pm |
Oh well, this has gotten boring. Back to SG-1.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:06:33pm |
re: #357 aagcobb
But polling shows that most Republicans like Romney, and will accept his nomination. Its just the activists who loathe him.
citation? and as I said, the more Republicans get to see Romney, the less they like him. And that's a serious issue.
I'm looking at Iowa 2008, Romney had 25.12%. Currently, Romney is still south of 24%. So he's underperforming from 2008. That's not exactly liking him?
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erik_t Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:06:34pm |
re: #362 Dark_Falcon
That I agree with. Rand Paul is to Ron Paul as mitt Romney is to his own (since deceased) father. In both cases the son is not the original that the father is/was and is much more of a careerist within the party. Rand Paul could not survive as a Senator without a party and the GOP would force him to politically disown his father if Ron ran as a 3rd party candidate and would cast him out if he refused.
You're assuming that Rand wouldn't be quite willing to do just that.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:07:12pm |
re: #350 moderatelyradicalliberal
The only reason Paul won't make an independent run after the convention is that it would hurt his son's standing in the party.
That's assuming Ron Paul gives a fuck about his son...Rand's a raving lunatic...Who knows...Ron Paul may not like him any more than we do.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:07:45pm |
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:08:03pm |
If Ron Paul is a true libertarian, he won't hesitate to destroy his own son if necessary.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:08:22pm |
re: #361 darthstar
I have faith...some asshole will win, and 40% of America will support him without thinking no matter how crazy he is.
Romney isn't crazy, or at least if he is then I'm crazy too.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:09:01pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:09:34pm |
re: #370 Charles
If Ron Paul is a true libertarian, he won't hesitate to destroy his own son if necessary.
Ron's a true narcissist, this is his last gasp in politics. If he thinks he can get a chance at the brass ring via a third party run, he'll take it. Rand will either sink or swim on his own.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:10:31pm |
re: #364 bloodstar
citation? and as I said, the more Republicans get to see Romney, the less they like him. And that's a serious issue.
I'm looking at Iowa 2008, Romney had 25.12%. Currently, Romney is still south of 24%. So he's underperforming from 2008. That's not exactly liking him?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:10:55pm |
re: #353 aagcobb
Santorum has no organization outside Iowa and no money. Romney's superpac will crush him.
I see your point, but what could that superpac money say that will make evangelicals turn from Santorum to Romney? Romney's superpac took Newt out, but that really wasn't hard to do with all of his baggage. All of that money and Romney is still stuck at about 24% in Iowa and in national polls. Newt and Herman Cain's supporters didn't go the Romney, they went to Santorum and probably Paul. If Bachmann, Perry and Newt are knocked out of the game, where do their supporters go? Romney doesn't seem like their first choice for an alternative.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:11:31pm |
re: #375 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ron's a true narcissist, this is his last gasp in politics. If he thinks he can get a chance at the brass ring via a third party run, he'll take it. Rand will either sink or swim on his own.
And being a libertarian, he wouldn't have it any other way.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:12:29pm |
re: #357 aagcobb
But polling shows that most Republicans like Romney, and will accept his nomination. Its just the activists who loathe him.
Dude he's been stuck at 24% in national polls, even though everyone keeps saying he's the best candidate. Most Republicans will vote for Romney, but they don't like him.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:13:13pm |
re: #379 moderatelyradicalliberal
Dude he's been stuck at 24% in national polls, even though everyone keeps saying he's the best candidate. Most Republicans will vote for Romney, but they don't like him.
Look at the poll I linked to.
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Targetpractice Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:13:55pm |
re: #378 Charles
And being a libertarian, he wouldn't have it any other way.
Ayep. Not to mention that, from all appearances, Rand's place in the GOP mirrors his old man's in being a marriage of convenience: Rand gets the party's support of his nuttery and the GOP gets a Senate seat. If they tell him to disown daddy and he refuses, then they'll jettison him without a second thought.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:14:44pm |
re: #370 Charles
If Ron Paul is a true libertarian, he won't hesitate to destroy his own son if necessary.
The preeminence of the individual and all.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:14:56pm |
re: #377 moderatelyradicalliberal
I see your point, but what could that superpac money say that will make evangelicals turn from Santorum to Romney? Romney's superpac took Newt out, but that really wasn't hard to do with all of his baggage. All of that money and Romney is still stuck at about 24% in Iowa and in national polls. Newt and Herman Cain's supporters didn't go the Romney, they went to Santorum and probably Paul. If Bachmann, Perry and Newt are knocked out of the game, where do their supporters go? Romney doesn't seem like their first choice for an alternative.
Paul will help. He has already labeled Santorum a big government liberal, and he will probably run effective attack ads against him as he did to Gingrich. Ironically, Paul is God's gift to the Romney campaign, as Paul tries to make himself the only alternative to Romney.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:15:02pm |
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:15:15pm |
Poor Buddy Roemer. Being beaten by a guy who isn't even in the race anymore.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:15:49pm |
re: #372 jaunte
Fox expert Palin says Bachmann should drop out.
I'm sure she meant resign from the race so she can continue winning from the outside.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:15:53pm |
It's easy to imagine a Romney/Santorum ticket.
Sure, both white guys from the North East, but that won't stop it from happening.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:16:14pm |
re: #375 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ron's a true narcissist, this is his last gasp in politics. If he thinks he can get a chance at the brass ring via a third party run, he'll take it. Rand will either sink or swim on his own.
Then he would be a true libertarian.
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Gus Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:16:17pm |
re: #385 Simply Sarah
Poor Buddy Roemer. Being beaten by a guy who isn't even in the race anymore.
"Other" is beating him as well.
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jaunte Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:17:22pm |
@saletan
That's an awfully Santorum-looking map of rural counties still to report.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:17:25pm |
re: #390 Gus 802
"Other" is beating him as well.
Oh, Other and No Preference are both kicking his ass, but I was trying to be gentle and not bring that fact up.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:18:30pm |
re: #320 Dark_Falcon
Right now Gingrich is more than 9% behind Romney, and Luap Nor is only 2% ahead. So Romney's right in this thing, and Newt isn't. Have faith.
I'm wondering how you're reconciling your return to supporting Romney with these recent past statements you made:
His use of footage of Obama wasn't quite as bad as what Grayson did, but it was very bad in my eyes. It'll prevent me from voting for Romney in the primary, since I don't support that sort of dishonesty. Mitt seems to have his eyes too closely focused on the prize, to the exclusion of principles and honesty.
Seems like Romney's dishonesty only disqualified him in your eyes as long as you thought you might have a viable alternative. I mean, it's not like he's suddenly become trustworthy or demonstrated anything remotely resembling integrity.
It seemed like it was 'his turn' and he seemed electable. My problem with him has become that he stands for nothing but a desire to be president. In that regard, he's worse than Gingrich, and worse than Obama as well. Both Barack and Newt want to be president because they have things they want to do and they need the presidency to enact them. Romney seems to just want to be president.
Don't worry, now that you're out of options I won't hold out for any further examples of the above kind of candor. Still, it's very strange for you to specifically say one day that an overt act of dishonesty will prevent you from voting for a candidate, rip that candidate (accurately) for being nothing more than politically expedient wind sock ruled by nothing more than personal desire for office, and then later return to supporting that same candidate. It's almost like you were putting up some kind of facade, a pretense of actually having standards.
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aagcobb Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:19:47pm |
re: #375 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ron's a true narcissist, this is his last gasp in politics. If he thinks he can get a chance at the brass ring via a third party run, he'll take it. Rand will either sink or swim on his own.
I believe Ron Paul knows he will never be President, and that the Libertarian party will never amount to anything. What he can accomplish is to push the GOP as far toward libertarianism as he can. He plans to have a major role in the GOP convention, and will, I think, have the largest block of delegates next to Romney.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:20:27pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 3, 2012 7:22:10pm |
re: #393 goddamnedfrank
I'm wondering how you're reconciling your return to supporting Romney with these recent past statements you made:
Seems like Romney's dishonesty only disqualified him in your eyes as long as you thought you might have a viable alternative. I mean, it's not like he's suddenly become trustworthy or demonstrated anything remotely resembling integrity.
Don't worry, now that you're out of options I won't hold out for any further examples of the above kind of candor. Still, it's very strange for you to specifically say one day that an overt act of dishonesty will prevent you from voting for a candidate, rip that candidate (accurately) for being nothing more than politically expedient wind sock ruled by nothing more than personal desire for office, and then later return to supporting that same candidate. It's almost like you were putting up some kind of facade, a pretense of actually having standards.
Well I guess even Republicans who claim to like Mitt Romney really do find him repulsive. Like I said and many others have said, nobody really likes Mitt Romney. He's unlikeable.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Jan 3, 2012 11:20:07pm |
re: #396 moderatelyradicalliberal
Well I guess even Republicans who claim to like Mitt Romney really do find him repulsive. Like I said and many others have said, nobody really likes Mitt Romney. He's unlikeable.
He has no personal qualitys but you now where you stand with him.
1 - he loves his family
2 - he loves money
3 - he wants to be president
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