Video: Ron Paul Gives Speech on Civil War in Front of Giant Confederate Flag

One of the remaining Republican Presidential candidates spouts Civil War revisionism, standing in front of a Dixie flag
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Here’s Ron Paul in a video recently posted at YouTube by one of his fans, explaining why the South was the right side in the Civil War, which had nothing to do with slavery — in front of a huge Confederate flag.

Any more questions about Ron Paul?

Youtube Video

(h/t: Andrew Kaczynski.)

Note: in the comments for the video at YouTube, I noticed that Ron Paul followers were urging that the video be deleted before it could damage Paul’s reputation any further — so I downloaded a copy just in case.

UPDATE at 1/20/12 5:05:50 pm

And another crazy new story about the Crazy Uncle: Ron Paul Was Implicated In Attempted White Supremacist Island Invasion | News One.

In 1981, a lawyer tried to subpoena Ron Paul to testify in the trial of Don Black, a Grand Wizard for the Ku Klux Klan who would later go on to found the white supremacist, neo-Nazi website, Stormfront. Black was charged along with two other Klansmen with planning to violently overthrow the small Caribbean country of Dominica in what they called “Operation Red Dog.” While a judge refused to subpoena Paul, Don Black would come back to haunt him many years later.

In 1981 a group of American and Canadian white supremacists lead by Klansman and mercenary, Michael (Mike) Perdue planned on taking over a small West Indian country called Dominica by overthrowing the government and Prime Minister Eugenia Charles and restoring its previous prime minister, Patrick Johns into power. The group planned to create an Aryan paradise in Dominica and make money through casinos, cocaine and brothels.

On the day the group of white supremacists were supposed to travel to Dominica, they were arrested by ATF agents and were found with over thirty automatic weapons, shotguns, rifles, handguns, dynamite, ammunition, a confederate flag and a Nazi flag. The plan would be dubbed “The Bayou Of Pigs” after the failed invasion of Cuba.

The leader of the group, Michael Perdue, would plead guilty to planning the coup and turned state’s evidence. Perdue would testify that several other people helped organize and fund the coup and that two Texas politicians were aware of the plan. Among those Perdue implicated were infamous white supremacist, David Duke, former Texas Governor, John Connally and Congressman, Ron Paul whom he claimed knew about the plot. Connally was credited with helping Paul win his first congressional election.

A judge refused to subpoena Paul and Connally despite the fact that Perdue had claimed that both of them were aware of the plot.

UPDATE at 1/21/12 9:40:08 am

The Ron Paul cult member who posted this video to YouTube changed the video to a different one showing Ron Paul interviewed on TV, without the Confederate flag.

So, just as I promised, I’ve uploaded my own copy and replaced it in this post.

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454 comments
1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:06:40pm

The myth of the South. The myth of what could have been. Completely ignoring that would have been is the enslavement of millions of human beings.

The what could have been to weep over is actually Reconstruction under Lincoln. Booth didn't shoot Lincoln only; he shot the future of the South.

2 jaunte  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:08:59pm
When the Civil War began, Spooner sided with the Confederacy and claimed that they had a right to secede since they were exercising government by consent. He stated that the Northern States were attempting to prevent the southerners from conducting government by consent and as a result were violating their rights. As a result, he was a harsh critic of the Civil War and the Reconstruction.

After the war ended, Spooner praised the federal government for abolishing the practice of slavery. However, he maintained that the war was not justified since their main goal was to preserve the union and not to simply end slavery. He also declared that the war violated the Declaration of Independence, since it prevented the people from dissolving their connections to other governments as they pleased.[Link: www.freeinfosociety.com...]

So, just like Ron Paul, Spooner was a lunatic ideologue with no comprehension or care for the human toll of putting his ideas into action.

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:10:07pm

re: #2 jaunte

So, just like Ron Paul, Spooner was a lunatic ideologue with no comprehension or care for the human toll of putting his ideas into action.

They weren't actually practicing government by consent. No female and no black person of either gender had a say in the matter. They were practicing government by consent of white males.

4 Lidane  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:10:53pm

More neo-Confederate historical revisionism from Luap Nor. What a surprise.

The fact that anyone takes this crank seriously just kills me. WTF.

5 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:12:21pm

re: #3 EmmmieG

They weren't actually practicing government by consent. No female and no black person of either gender had a say in the matter. They were practicing government by consent of white males.

Exactly. A women or a black man would find themselves held to laws written by white men, agreed upon by white men, and enforced by white men. They had no say, no consent, and were treated as little more than property. To make it an argument about the "consent of the governed" is absolute horseshit.

6 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:12:22pm

Not shocked and yet another reason why Paul sucks.

7 darthstar  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:14:38pm

Ron Paul's a bigot. Lather, rinse, repeat.

8 Meitantei  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:14:51pm

As someone who can trace his lineage back to one of the Confederate generals:

Youtube Video
9 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:15:27pm

Do not think I defend R.P. in any way, but all these racists connection seem to be quite a few years ago.

Could he be just another opportunist who found the easiest source of money and support at that time then dumped them when he gained momentum, or is he honestly such an anarchist that he believes this kind of thing is one of God's given rights?

10 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:16:25pm

re: #9 Naso Tang

Do not think I defend R.P. in any way, but all these racists connection seem to be quite a few years ago.

Could he be just another opportunist who found the easiest source of money and support at that time then dumped them when he gained momentum, or is he honestly such an anarchist that he believes this kind of thing is one of God's given rights?

This video was shot recently, and just posted at YouTube this month.

11 Meitantei  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:16:36pm

re: #9 Naso Tang

Okay, he's not an racist. He's just a scumbag that cynically takes advantage of people like them. That's MUCH better.
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12 darthstar  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:17:21pm

I needed to send a letter Sunday, but there isn't a stamp machine at the post office. So I put two quarters on the envelope and slid it under the door. This was in my po box when I checked it today.

You don't get change and a receipt from email.

13 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:17:39pm

re: #11 Meitantei

Okay, he's not an racist. He's just a scumbag that cynically takes advantage of people like them. That's MUCH better.
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I think that may be even worse. George Wallace wasn't a racist at his core but he used racism to get elected. Paul uses racists' money and support for an office he himself says he can't imagine himself in.

14 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:17:40pm

The South was facing a crisis. As "Christianizing the heathens" no longer worked as excuse, with black slaves born into Christianity and showing great religious fervor, the arguments in support of slavery became more and more virulent, more and more related to slaves uprising, killing, taking revenge.

The South was saved from itself by the war. If the Civil War hadn't happened, the South might have had its own Civil War, or, if not, might have engaged in greater and greater atrocities against slaves.

The likelihood that it would elegantly transform to a belief that black should be free, equal productive citizens is a nonstarter. A fantasy that only comes from ignorance or malice.

15 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:18:08pm

From the comments at YouTube:

yeah I would remove this video.. I can see it now.. This will be on the news With paul in front of the confederate flag talking about how the south was right during the civil war. Just what we need.. NOT! This video is just not a good idea... sorry..

gold95 1 week ago 8


@gold95 We're trying to win South Carolina. The leader of the secession movement. The video doesn't do any harm.

PatriotReview 2 days ago 2

16 darthstar  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:18:22pm

re: #10 Charles

This video was shot recently, and just posted at YouTube this month.

In other words...in the past...when Ron Paul was younger than he is today.
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17 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:18:54pm

I downloaded a copy just in case it disappears from YouTube. In the comments there are Ron Paul followers urging that it be deleted.

18 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:19:45pm

re: #17 Charles

I downloaded a copy just in case it disappears from YouTube. In the comments there are Ron Paul followers urging that it be deleted.

What's the matter Paul supporters? Hurt by the fact that your candidate is an apologist for a society that was built to preserve human slavery? Stupid fools.

19 darthstar  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:19:51pm

re: #17 Charles

I downloaded a copy just in case it disappears from YouTube. In the comments there are Ron Paul followers urging that it be deleted.

As if it will hurt his chances at the Presidency.

20 Meitantei  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:20:21pm

re: #17 Charles

The top comment is "cool flag."

*headdesk*

21 jaunte  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:21:46pm
Later on in his life, [Spooner] published a number of books about his theories, including Natural Law. His Natural Law theory advocated abolishing all laws except natural law, which made any crimes against people or their property illegal. This theory is in many ways anarchistic and calls for the people to rule themselves with as few rules as possible.[Link: www.freeinfosociety.com...]

Spooner was a pie-eyed crank. No wonder Ron Paul quotes him with approval.

22 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:22:09pm

Of course Ron is ignoring the fact that 9/13 Confederate states seceded before Lincoln became president. But that doesn't get away of Paul's bullshit argument.

23 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:25:30pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Of course Ron is ignoring the fact that 9/13 Confederate states seceded before Lincoln became president. But that doesn't get away of Paul's bullshit argument.

Gingrich is the history guy, to be fair. Paul's just a doctor. He's allowed to make stuff up.

/

24 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:25:55pm

re: #14 Obdicut

The South was facing a crisis. As "Christianizing the heathens" no longer worked as excuse, with black slaves born into Christianity and showing great religious fervor, the arguments in support of slavery became more and more virulent, more and more related to slaves uprising, killing, taking revenge.

The South was saved from itself by the war. If the Civil War hadn't happened, the South might have had its own Civil War, or, if not, might have engaged in greater and greater atrocities against slaves.

The likelihood that it would elegantly transform to a belief that black should be free, equal productive citizens is a nonstarter. A fantasy that only comes from ignorance or malice.

The whole idea that the South would peacefully give up slavery is a joke. Paul offers a few "alternatives," but they are anything but.

Buying slaves? That would break down either when it came time to name a price or when it came time to approve the purchases by Congress.

Legislative act? The South was convinced that that was a dark day fast approaching, when the abolitionist president would find enough support in Congress to end slavery. Hence why they seceded prior to his inauguration.

And that's before we get into the fight that would have been the 13-15th Amendments, which the South would have fought tooth and nail.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:26:02pm
Among those Perdue implicated were infamous white supremacist, David Duke, former Texas Governor, John Connally and Congressman, Ron Paul whom he claimed knew about the plot.

So much for Paul's isolationist cred.
/not that I would be inclinced to believe Perdue

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:27:09pm

re: #9 Naso Tang

Do not think I defend R.P. in any way, but all these racists connection seem to be quite a few years ago.

Could he be just another opportunist who found the easiest source of money and support at that time then dumped them when he gained momentum, or is he honestly such an anarchist that he believes this kind of thing is one of God's given rights?

The question of whether Paul is a psycho Confederate-hankering racist, or merely finds that such people listen to his ideas, and therefore humors them, is one that's been kicked around quite a bit.

Me, I don't care. I suspect he is a racist, but doesn't much care about the Confederacy. But I really don't care.

27 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:27:19pm

why does this guy on tv want me to ask my roombatologist if embril is right for me??

28 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:27:32pm

re: #19 darthstar

As if it will hurt his chances at the Presidency.

Paulbots are funny.

29 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:27:35pm

It pisses me off that Paul gets portrayed as this defender of liberty. If Paul had been around in 1865, he would have been opposing the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments easily.

30 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:29:02pm

Luap Nor says "in his estimation" slavery wasn't the main driving force behind the civil war. The Texas Ordinance of Secession is one big whine about the terrible injustice of having their God-given right to own human beings as property and treat them as farm equipment interfered with. There is literally no complaint in the document that is unrelated to slavery.

As a proud historical bonus, it contains high-minded nuggets of enlightenment like this:

We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

That in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding States.

31 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:30:03pm

re: #27 engineer dog

why does this guy on tv want me to ask my roombatologist if embril is right for me??

better than asking your vampirebatologist!

32 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:30:31pm

One of the biggest differences between the Confederate constitution and our own was the slavery issue. One of the reasons why the Confederacy had problems was Jefferson Davis was too centralist for many in the CSA's liking. Which I think shows the flaw with the Tenthers arguments. Yes states rights should be respected on some issues but you do need a strong federal government too.

33 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:32:47pm

seriously, paul is a member of the resurgent anti-federalist movement in american politics, which of course a lot of people thought was dead after the adaption of the current constitution in 1789

in this video he misrepresents the views of jefferson, and comes out against the policies of abraham lincoln -for crissakes - so it's only logical for him to go on and criticize george washington for his leadership in creating the centralized federal government

34 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:33:26pm

And I hope the dumb potheads who think Paul is going to legalize pot get it through their thick skulls that he doesn't want to legalize drugs. Hell hypothetically if Paul's policies were adapted some states could adapt some extremely harsh anti drug policies.

35 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:34:23pm

re: #33 engineer dog

seriously, paul is a member of the resurgent anti-federalist movement in american politics, which of course a lot of people thought was dead after the adaption of the current constitution in 1789

in this video he misrepresents the views of jefferson, and comes out against the policies of abraham lincoln -for crissakes - so it's only logical for him to go on and criticize george washington for his leadership in creating the centralized federal government

I for one love how he completely dismisses Hamilton's views. As a Virginian, I do love Jefferson but Hamilton's views were very important to the founding of this country.

36 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:34:40pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

And I hope the dumb potheads who think Paul is going to legalize pot get it through their thick skulls that he doesn't want to legalize drugs. Hell hypothetically if Paul's policies were adapted some states could adapt some extremely harsh anti drug policies.

Yep. There's a difference between saying "I'll legalize marijuana usage" and "I'll abolish federal laws against marijuana usage."

37 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:34:44pm

re: #31 sattv4u2

better than asking your vampirebatologist!

i was taking medication for my problem with biting people on the neck at heavy metal concerts, but the side effects were worse

38 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:36:02pm

re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yep. There's a difference between saying "I'll legalize marijuana usage" and "I'll abolish federal laws against marijuana usage."

Yep. Same thing with other things too. Really, Paul would be a social libertarian's nightmare. And his economic and foreign policy views don't get me started.

39 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:36:39pm

That second story I linked is also pretty freaking weird. I never heard about this white supremacist plot to invade a Caribbean island before, but it's on the level and Don Black of Stormfront was actually convicted in the case: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:37:27pm

OT: Heh.

41 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:40:27pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Yep. Same thing with other things too. Really, Paul would be a social libertarian's nightmare. And his economic and foreign policy views don't get me started.

Most of the shit Paul's been preaching are non-starters. They sound great only if you're too dumb to remember that Congress is the one that makes the law, not the White House. And the one thing the GOP does not want, more than anything, is to have a Republican Congress fight with a Republican president for all 4 years of his presidency.

42 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:43:11pm

Accused Amish beard-cutter willing to use electricity

tell ron paul to move ahead to the late 19th century like this cultural revolutionary

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:43:22pm

re: #41 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And the one thing the GOP does not want, more than anything, is to have a Republican Congress fight with a Republican president for all 4 years of his presidency.

If he get's elected (HAHAHAHA!) I'm investing heavily in microwave popcorn companies.

44 jaunte  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:45:21pm
The leader of the group, Michael Perdue, would plead guilty to planning the coup and turned state’s evidence. Perdue would testify that several other people helped organize and fund the coup and that two Texas politicians were aware of the plan. Among those Perdue implicated were infamous white supremacist, David Duke, former Texas Governor, John Connally and Congressman, Ron Paul whom he claimed knew about the plot.

Banana Republicans.

45 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:45:24pm

I'm a little more worried about the potential for Rand (son of Ron). Ron is old school and has plenty of old school baggage. If Rand can duplicate Ron's cult following he'll be a much tougher candidate than his father.

46 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:45:31pm

I'm such a good mother.

The boys were in playing some game that somehow involved injecting poison into the youngest. I went in to check it out and he was spread out on the couch.

"I'm frozen," he said.

So, being a good mother, I used the opportunity to steal his nose. It's very nice. I'm going to keep it as a souvenir.

One question, though: Is this related to them watching Arkham City at all? I don't watch my husband play games, so I wouldn't know.

47 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:45:58pm

re: #37 engineer dog

i was taking medication for my problem with biting people on the neck at heavy metal concerts, but the side effects were worse

headaches, nausea, rectal discharge, sleeplessness, facial twitches

but the boobs looked good on you

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:46:17pm

re: #44 jaunte

Well done, good sir.

49 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:46:50pm

I rather like the "11 nations in the western hemisphere ended slavery through other means than civil war."

Yep. By command directive from Great Britain - after several decades of slave revolt. By successful slave revolt (Haiti). Brazil took almost 60 years of process, with lots of blood spilled on the way by various interests - but it wasn't war.

It wasn't about slavery. But the Confederate Constitution had clauses that made slavery a permanent and protected institution. And every declaration of secession listed slavery as at least one of, usually the main, and in some cases the only reason.

But it wasn't about slavery. Nope. It was about a state's right to establish it's own laws, with the case in point being laws about slavery.

Oh, and banks, and central banks, and government interference. All of which were breaking the backs of the southerners who relied upon slavery.

sorry, guess I'll stop the rant.

50 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:47:42pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

I'm a little more worried about the potential for Rand (son of Ron). Ron is old school and has plenty of old school baggage. If Rand can duplicate Ron's cult following he'll be a much tougher candidate than his father.

Son of Paul may be a contender eventually, but I don't think that he'll be making a run at the Big Chair for at least a couple elections. Gotta get some time in his chair and at least win reelection once to be taken seriously as anything other than Paul: Part Deux.

51 simoom  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:47:47pm

[Link: thehill.com...]

During a rowdy question-and-answer session, Santorum was interrupted as he addressed a question on national security.

“This president continually undermines the national security interests of our country, undermines the economic interests of this country. Why?” he asked rhetorically.

“Because he wasn’t born here!” yelled one man from the back of the room. The audience laughed and applauded.

Santorum paused briefly, then moved on with his answer. A few minutes later, as Santorum laid into Obama once again, another man yelled, “He hates America!” The crowd cheered. Santorum once again ignored the remark.

52 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:49:17pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

If he get's elected (HAHAHAHA!) I'm investing heavily in microwave popcorn companies.

There are a lot of federal subsidies for electric power sources. If he gets elected, you should come out with charcoal-popped popcorn.

53 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:50:47pm

re: #51 simoom

“This president continually undermines the national security interests of our country...

I'm sure the top leaders of Al Queda would agree with Santorum on this. Well, if they were still drawing breath, that is.

54 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:51:21pm

re: #47 sattv4u2

headaches, nausea, rectal discharge, sleeplessness, facial twitches

but the boobs looked good on you

the worst part was i stopped believing i was the definer of civilization

but who doesn't like boobs!

55 darthstar  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:53:04pm

re: #51 simoom

[Link: thehill.com...]

That whole "I'm a candidate with integrity" thing is harder than it looks, eh, Rick?

56 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:54:17pm

re: #51 simoom

[Link: thehill.com...]

Going the McCain route of "If I ignore it, it might go away." Good luck.

57 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:54:19pm

re: #54 engineer dog

but who doesn't like boobs!

Anything that's not a mammal?

58 darthstar  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:55:01pm

re: #56 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Going the McCain route of "If I ignore it, it might go away." Good luck.

McCain had the same theory about his running mate. Wrong again.

59 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:55:29pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

Anything that's not a mammal?

Wait--wouldn't a true lizard be totally uninterested in mammary glands?

60 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:56:10pm

re: #57 Slumbering Behemoth

Anything that's not a mammal?

Which is one of the things I find annoying about sci-fi fiction/games. "If this thing I'm fighting is a reptilian humanoid, what's with the boobs"?

61 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:56:42pm

The first plants made it into the greenhouse today. 2 lemons, 2 kumquats, 1 kaffir lime. I think I'll go back to the nursery tomorrow and pick up a guava or two.

62 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:57:06pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

Which is one of the things I find annoying about sci-fi fiction/games. "If this thing I'm fighting is a reptilian humanoid, what's with the boobs"?

and if corporations are people, where are the females?

63 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:57:34pm

re: #62 engineer dog

and if corporations are people, where are the females?

Mary Kay Cosmetics is definitely female.

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:58:00pm

re: #59 EmmmieG

Wait--wouldn't a true lizard be totally uninterested in mammary glands?

With the exception of first contact/scientific dissection, yes.

65 darthstar  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:58:13pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

Which is one of the things I find annoying about sci-fi fiction/games. "If this thing I'm fighting is a reptilian humanoid, what's with the boobs"?

Without the boobs there would be no sales.

66 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:58:53pm

re: #65 darthstar

Without the boobs there would be no sales.

Right. Same idea for the metal brassiere?

67 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:58:53pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

Which is one of the things I find annoying about sci-fi fiction/games. "If this thing I'm fighting is a reptilian humanoid, what's with the boobs"?

All humanoid species are descended from a common humanoid progenitor species. Saw it on ST: The Next Generation once.

68 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 5:59:45pm

re: #67 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

All humanoid species are descended from a common humanoid progenitor species. Saw it on ST: The Next Generation once.

Well, we can stop all this archeology and paleontology and digging up of dead people and their belongings.

We'll just skip straight to the sci fi movies. I'm all for that.

69 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:02:32pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

Which is one of the things I find annoying about sci-fi fiction/games. "If this thing I'm fighting is a reptilian humanoid, what's with the boobs"?

I don't think that's what they are...

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:02:36pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

Happy to hear you finally got your green house up and running. Congrats, dude.

71 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:03:06pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

Which is one of the things I find annoying about sci-fi fiction/games. "If this thing I'm fighting is a reptilian humanoid, what's with the boobs"?

Alien. Not terrestrial. (grin).

I quit caring when Deja Thoris laid an egg. Didn't care, had my Vallejo covers, just decided aliens were aliens.

72 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:05:03pm

re: #66 EmmmieG

Right. Same idea for the metal brassiere?

It gives certain armor bonuses. Not sure what kind, though.

73 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:05:06pm

re: #67 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

All humanoid species are descended from a common humanoid progenitor species. Saw it on ST: The Next Generation once.

What a piece of work is man. Indeed.

Image: wsNU3.jpg

74 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:05:42pm

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

Happy to hear you finally got your green house up and running. Congrats, dude.

Thanks. I really excited about the possibilities but at this point I'm just happy to have workmen and inspectors out of my life. I've lived alone so long that having people around is very tiring. I have about a week or two od excited neighbors who want tours of the greenhouse but soon enough I'll be left alone again.

75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:05:46pm

Hola!

Darth, can't enlarge your new avatar on the crap-i-pad, what is it?

76 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:07:01pm

re: #72 Slumbering Behemoth

It gives certain armor bonuses. Not sure what kind, though.

I'm kind of wondering if failing to protect all of your vital organs might be a bit of a mistake.

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:10:39pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Solitude is a valuable commodity, worth more than gold IMHO.

“I live in that solitude which is painful in youth, but delicious in the years of maturity.” ~Albert Einstein

“I never found the companion that was so companionable as solitude. We are for the most part more lonely when we go abroad among men than when we stay in our chambers.” ~Henry David Thoreau

The Lost Art of Solitude.

78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:12:41pm

re: #76 EmmmieG

I'm kind of wondering if failing to protect all of your vital organs might be a bit of a mistake.

It's a silly convention of fantasy fiction art. Not to worry, though. It's now available in "Dude".

79 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:13:38pm

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a silly convention of fantasy fiction art. Not to worry, though. It's now available in "Dude".

I am now obliged to kill you for exposing my precious eyeballs to that.

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:15:17pm

re: #79 EmmmieG

Aw c'mon. That's pure, grade A beefcake. Get some!
///

81 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:15:33pm

But, don't we all need a crazy Uncle to put the rest of these nutjobs in perspective? Seriously, not one of them could beat Obama, even with Obamas hands tied behind his back.

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:18:15pm

re: #81 Floral Giraffe

I'm kinda hoping he does run third party, just so I can hear Mark Levin lose his shit.

83 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:20:10pm

re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm kinda hoping he does run third party, just so I can hear Mark Levin lose his shit.

I'm almost certain he will, if only because he's pretty much got the name recognition and could point to his "high" finishes in the primaries to date as proof that there's significant support for his candidacy.

84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:21:27pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

Which is one of the things I find annoying about sci-fi fiction/games. "If this thing I'm fighting is a reptilian humanoid, what's with the boobs"?

Also, why didn't Ewoks have boobs?
/that one is for Varek

85 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:22:45pm

re: #10 Charles

This video was shot recently, and just posted at YouTube this month.

I saw 1981 and took it as then. 1984 would have been neater.

86 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:24:31pm

Not sure what news site this came from, but my friend said that they heard romney's tax return prob may come from his 10% tithing (fine with me) but he did it with shares of stock Bain owned. Lowering the tax burden even further.

87 jaunte  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:25:50pm

Appeals court affirms order blocking Oklahoma sharia law ban

Despite disappointing news on their attempts to halt creeping Sharia, the Oklahoma State legislature continues to break new ground in amazingly pointless lawmaking:

SB 1418 by Shortey

88 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:26:25pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Not sure what news site this came from, but my friend said that they heard romney's tax return prob may come from his 10% tithing (fine with me) but he did it with shares of stock Bain owned. Lowering the tax burden even further.

For the record, in case the Lizard Nation ever audits me: I have paid my tithing with stock from time to time. There is a great tax deal on it if you do.

I don't get why it's such a big deal that a rich man gave a lot of money to his church. Aren't the rich supposed to give more?

89 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:27:28pm

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist

The question of whether Paul is a psycho Confederate-hankering racist, or merely finds that such people listen to his ideas, and therefore humors them, is one that's been kicked around quite a bit.

Me, I don't care. I suspect he is a racist, but doesn't much care about the Confederacy. But I really don't care.

I think that racism appeals to him, in the same way that poor groups "appeal" to him. He is a true libertarian social evolutionist at heart.

What will be will be; otherwise known as anarchism.

90 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:27:43pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Not sure what news site this came from, but my friend said that they heard romney's tax return prob may come from his 10% tithing (fine with me) but he did it with shares of stock Bain owned. Lowering the tax burden even further.

If last night was any indication, Mitt's tax returns are gonna be a long-running problem for him. He's getting booed right now for making excuses, but once he becomes the nominee, look for calls for him to release his returns to dry up from the Right.

91 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:30:30pm

re: #88 EmmmieG

For the record, in case the Lizard Nation ever audits me: I have paid my tithing with stock from time to time. There is a great tax deal on it if you do.

I don't get why it's such a big deal that a rich man gave a lot of money to his church. Aren't the rich supposed to give more?

No, I don't see that as the problem at all. (thanks for commenting). But if it lowers his tax rate even more, it's not good. And if the shares were from some layoff company. Not good.

92 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:31:42pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Thanks. I really excited about the possibilities but at this point I'm just happy to have workmen and inspectors out of my life. I've lived alone so long that having people around is very tiring. I have about a week or two od excited neighbors who want tours of the greenhouse but soon enough I'll be left alone again.

You needed inspectors for a greenhouse? For what? Earthquake resistance?

Damn government regulations! This is what is holding us back!/

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:32:59pm

re: #89 Naso Tang

I think that racism appeals to him, in the same way that poor groups "appeal" to him. He is a true libertarian social evolutionist at heart.

What will be will be; otherwise known as anarchism.

I think that his narrative: "You would be great, and wealthy, and powerful, and respected, if only society was not keeping you down by failing to give you what you obviously deserve," is one that appeals to a certain sort of white, male, American who feels that he's not getting as much good shit as he thought life would deliver.

These guys become the whiniest voices in some social action groups, they also become racists, and some of them become Libertarians and Paulbearers.

The better sort, of course, join the SCA, and become Vikings. Those are the ones with a sense of humor.

94 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:36:33pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that his narrative: "You would be great, and wealthy, and powerful, and respected, if only society was not keeping you down by failing preventing you to give take you what you obviously deserve," is one that appeals to a certain sort of white, male, American who feels that he's not getting as much good shit as he thought life would deliver.

Edited for clarity.

95 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:39:27pm

re: #77 Slumbering Behemoth

Solitude is a valuable commodity, worth more than gold IMHO.

“I live in that solitude which is painful in youth, but delicious in the years of maturity.” ~Albert Einstein

“I never found the companion that was so companionable as solitude. We are for the most part more lonely when we go abroad among men than when we stay in our chambers.” ~Henry David Thoreau

The Lost Art of Solitude.

“there are worse things
than being alone
but it often takes
decades to realize this
and most often when you do
it's too late
and there's nothing worse
than too late”
― Charles Bukowski

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:41:21pm

Levin was ranting tonight about Obama appointing a former Bain employee to the "Director of the Office of Management and Budget".

I see that he worked for Bain & Company, rather than Bain Capitol.

While Bain Capital was founded by Bain executives, the firm was not an affiliate or a division of Bain & Company but rather a completely separate company. Initially, the two firms shared the same offices and a similar approach to improving business operations. However, the two firms had put in place certain protections to avoid sharing information between the two companies and the Bain & Company executives had the ability to veto investments that posed potential conflicts of interest.[19] Bain Capital also provided an investment opportunity for partners of Bain & Company. Bain Capital's original $37 million fund was raised entirely from private individuals in mid-1984.[18] The firm initially gave a cut of its profits to Bain & Company, but Romney later persuaded Bain to give that up.[20]

I'm sure that was meant to be a "gotcha" style tu quoque on Levin's part, but it does not appear that these two companies are entirely one and the same.

97 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:43:25pm

re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth

Levin was ranting tonight about Obama appointing a former Bain employee to the "Director of the Office of Management and Budget".

I see that he worked for Bain & Company, rather than Bain Capitol.

I'm sure that was meant to be a "gotcha" style tu quoque on Levin's part, but it does not appear that these two companies are entirely one and the same.

Ha, what a dumbass.

98 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:45:23pm

Do you know what tax rate a couple with five kids, a mortgage, and hefty charitable contributions has?

I'm seriously going to have trouble filing taxes once they leave home.

99 jaunte  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:47:38pm

re: #87 jaunte

Got me!

Imani ABL Imani ABL @AngryBlackLady
I’m told that the website that contains that Oklahoma bill is a fake website. Here’s the real website oksenate.gov/#

Imani ABL @AngryBlackLady
Someone has a sick sense of humor.

100 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:48:58pm

Of course, there is the question of the costs of trumpet lessons, piano lessons, dance lessons, gym fees, band/colorguard, sports, books, summer classes, clothes, food, toys, Disneyland tickets, etc.

Christmas alone can break you.

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:50:04pm

re: #95 negativ

Heh. I came to value solitude in my late twenties. My girlfriends didn't share that appreciation. Incessant "What's wrong?" questions.

What is wrong is that every time I try to have some time alone with my thoughts, you insist that I have some kind of depression disorder.

That's about the time I started going to the local grave yards on nice days to read. Nobody but me and the birds. And squirrels. And insects. None of which pestered me with "What's wrong?" nonsense.

102 Robert O.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:50:19pm

End the Fed!
Repeal the Civil War!

Ron Paul 1812!

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:52:55pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

Ha, what a dumbass.

Oh, but I am told that he is "The Great One". An extremely smart, constitutional scholar.

So if he isn't stupid, then he must be intentionally lying and/or misleading.

104 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:53:54pm

re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I came to value solitude in my late twenties. My girlfriends didn't share that appreciation. Incessant "What's wrong?" questions.

What is wrong is that every time I try to have some time alone with my thoughts, you insist that I have some kind of depression disorder.

That's about the time I started going to the local grave yards on nice days to read. Nobody but me and the birds. And squirrels. And insects. None of which pestered me with "What's wrong?" nonsense.

Andy Rooney had a great article on the value of Women over 40. One of his points was: They won't wake you up in the middle of the night to ask what you're thinking. They don't care what you're thinking.

105 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:55:11pm

re: #95 negativ

“there are worse things
than being alone

Indeed. My most recent ex-gf is one of those things. She's the one that inadvertently taught me that "being alone" and "feeling lonely" are two very different, very separate things.

106 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:57:14pm

re: #104 EmmmieG

And just to build on that for the younger ladies...

If you ask your man "What are you thinking", and he says "Nothing", let it go. He's telling you the truth.

107 mumbly-joe  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 6:59:58pm

So, Spooner was an absolute loon, but it's interesting to note that his view on the Civil War was every bit as unpopular in the South as it was in the North. Why? Because his position that there existed a constitutional "right to secede" was linked pretty closely to his view that slavery itself was unconstitutional.

What makes this so very... interesting is that the conclusion that non-lunatics might draw from that is that the South wasn't actually seceding merely to prove that they could, and that in the eyes of Confederates, there was no point in seceding but for the perpetuation and propagation of slavery.

(Of course, one might draw the same conclusions from the Articles of Secession of pretty much every Confederate state, not to mention the Confederate constitution -which was mostly a copypasta of the US constitution, but explicitly prohibited member states from abolishing slavery - or speeches given by the Vice President of the Confederacy to the general effect that the Civil War was a civilizational clash between slave-holding and free labor. It's what we're taught in public school, but that's because that's what the actual primary sources say, too.)

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:00:04pm

re: #106 Slumbering Behemoth

And just to build on that for the younger ladies...

If you ask your man "What are you thinking", and he says "Nothing", let it go. He's telling you the truth.

Is it nothing, or nothing worth discussing.

I'm frequently in the latter territory. I'm good if he doesn't want to discuss his thoughts on how to defeat a certain level on Arkham City or something similar.

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:00:31pm

re: #106 Slumbering Behemoth

And just to build on that for the younger ladies...

If you ask your man "What are you thinking", and he says "Nothing", let it go. He's telling you the truth.

My husband has taken to telling me.

I'll ask, "What are you thinking about?" and he'll look up and say "Do you think bacon would work in a peanut-butter sandwich?"

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:01:31pm

re: #108 EmmmieG

Is it nothing, or nothing worth discussing.

A little of column A, a little of column B.

111 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:02:08pm

Does Ron Paul even like America?

112 jaunte  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:02:15pm

Chuck Norris has endorsed Newt Gingrich as the Republican candidate for President. In part because of his "clear and present moral fortitude."
Also,

"I’m tired of being in bondage to a tax system that robs U.S. citizens like the king of England did before the Revolution."

The rest is at WhirledNut Daily

113 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:03:04pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband has taken to telling me.

I'll ask, "What are you thinking about?" and he'll look up and say "Do you think bacon would work in a peanut-butter sandwich?"

You tell him I said "FUCK YES IT WOULD!!!"

Actually, frying bacon with a dollop of peanut butter produces amazing flavors. In a good way.

114 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:04:51pm

re: #112 jaunte

Chuck Norris has endorsed Newt Gingirch as the Republican candidate for President. In part because of his "clear and present moral fortitude."
Also,

The rest is at WhirledNut Daily

Kinky!

115 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:05:14pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Not sure what news site this came from, but my friend said that they heard romney's tax return prob may come from his 10% tithing (fine with me) but he did it with shares of stock Bain owned. Lowering the tax burden even further.

Doesn't wash.

Assume 1 million in earnings. Assume 10% tithe. Tax is on 900,000 (90% of 1 million).

To get the million down to 15% he has to get the income down to near-poverty levels. Or he can have it all be capital gains.

116 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:05:17pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband has taken to telling me.

I'll ask, "What are you thinking about?" and he'll look up and say "Do you think bacon would work in a peanut-butter sandwich?"

If you were a good wife, you would make the sandwich.

Then eat it in front of him, and give him a verdict.

117 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:06:20pm

re: #112 jaunte

So who does Norris want to pay for bondage?

118 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:06:21pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband has taken to telling me.

I'll ask, "What are you thinking about?" and he'll look up and say "Do you think bacon would work in a peanut-butter sandwich?"

Elvis thought so, but he liked to add bananas to it as well.

119 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:06:51pm

re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband has taken to telling me.

I'll ask, "What are you thinking about?" and he'll look up and say "Do you think bacon would work in a peanut-butter sandwich?"

Once upon a time, Oscar Meyer did sell a peanut butter and bacon flavored spread. Saw it on a History Channel show about American foods.

120 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:07:16pm

re: #115 kirkspencer

Doesn't wash.

Assume 1 million in earnings. Assume 10% tithe. Tax is on 900,000 (90% of 1 million).

To get the million down to 15% he has to get the income down to near-poverty levels. Or he can have it all be capital gains.

Let's say he paid $100,000 in tithing with stock that he had originally acquired at $10,000, and has held for more than a year (or two, I forget.)

He would get to deduct the entire $100,000, but not have to pay taxes on the $90,000 in appreciation.

After all, he's giving the stock away, not selling it.

121 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:07:21pm

re: #119 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Once upon a time, Oscar Meyer did sell a peanut butter and bacon flavored spread. Saw it on a History Channel show about American foods.

Bleh.

122 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:09:49pm

re: #120 EmmmieG

Let's say he paid $100,000 in tithing with stock that he had originally acquired at $10,000, and has held for more than a year (or two, I forget.)

He would get to deduct the entire $100,000, but not have to pay taxes on the $90,000 in appreciation.

After all, he's giving the stock away, not selling it.

But the critical thing is that the donation is a deduction, not a credit. It reduces taxable income, not tax paid.

There are also the limits. You cannot deduct more than 30% of AGI for capital gains donations. You cannot deduct more than 50% of AGI for all donations.

123 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:09:56pm

Huckabee Wants To Know If Obama Got College Loans "As A Foreign Student"

Hurr hurr derp.

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:10:31pm

re: #119 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

♪ ♫ "Oh I wish I were an Oscar Meyer whatthefuck" ♪ ♫

125 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:10:54pm

re: #123 Varek Raith

Huckabee Wants To Know If Obama Got College Loans "As A Foreign Student"

Hurr hurr derp.

Huck, you had your chance, you bowed out. Nobody likes a backseat driver.

126 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:11:55pm

re: #125 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Huck, you have your chance, you bowed out. Nobody likes a backseat driver.

A backseat auto-screwer on the other hand.

127 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:13:03pm

re: #116 EmmmieG

If you were a good wife, you would make the sandwich.

Then eat it in front of him, and give him a verdict.

i am currently accepting applications

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:13:17pm

re: #123 Varek Raith

Huckabee Wants To Know If Obama Got College Loans "As A Foreign Student"

Hurr hurr derp.

Ah, but what was Huck saying about Romney four years ago? If I was Romney I'd kick Huck square in the noots.

129 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:15:32pm

re: #106 Slumbering Behemoth

And just to build on that for the younger ladies...

If you ask your man "What are you thinking", and he says "Nothing", let it go. He's telling you the truth.

For me, "nothing" was often a lie, though. There are some things that are interesting only to me, not worth sharing, and certainly not a jumping-off point for delightful after-dinner conversation. Such is the mind of the introvert.

BUT you're not allowed to say that. You can't go, "well I'm thinking about something that I do find myself thinking about from time to time, but rest assured: it's of no consequence, it wouldn't interest you in the least, and it most likely wouldn't make sense to you anyway." Because what she hears is, I HAVE A SECRET THOUGHT and IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS and YOU'RE TOO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND IT.

In fact, what you were really thinking about was an imaginary petri dish full of little tube-creatures that all begin wiggling in a rhythmic, somewhat synchronized manner when exposed to vibrating columns of air. Through means that defy verbalization, this image conjured up other images of a disco dance floor, with the mirror ball and coked-up John Travolta wannabees, demonstrating their plumage in hopes of enticing other coked-up disco denizens to go back to some terrible apartment with a fake zebra skin rug where awkward and ultimately depressing undulations might take place. This in turn made you think of chaos theory and consider the possibility that a single act of depravity in a medieval torture chamber could very well have been *the* catalyzing event that eventually led to the invention of disco.

You're not allowed to say things like that, so you just say you were thinking about "nothing".

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:15:44pm

re: #123 Varek Raith

Huckabee Wants To Know If Obama Got College Loans "As A Foreign Student"

Hurr hurr derp.

the usual pigs, the usual dogwhistles, the usual lee atwater ni**er ni**er

So when I'm a senior citizen, are there just going to be a new generation of republicans who do this with different dogwhistles? sure as hell seems like it

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:18:06pm

re: #129 negativ

You're "nothing"s are certainly more interesting than my "nothing"s.

132 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:18:29pm

re: #129 negativ

Oh. I usually just imagine what would happen right now if gravity reversed itself. How could I get to what is right now my upstairs? How would we get around, etc.

133 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:19:13pm

re: #129 negativ

For me, "nothing" was often a lie, though. There are some things that are interesting only to me, not worth sharing, and certainly not a jumping-off point for delightful after-dinner conversation. Such is the mind of the introvert.

BUT you're not allowed to say that. You can't go, "well I'm thinking about something that I do find myself thinking about from time to time, but rest assured: it's of no consequence, it wouldn't interest you in the least, and it most likely wouldn't make sense to you anyway." Because what she hears is, I HAVE A SECRET THOUGHT and IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS and YOU'RE TOO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND IT.

In fact, what you were really thinking about was an imaginary petri dish full of little tube-creatures that all begin wiggling in a rhythmic, somewhat synchronized manner when exposed to vibrating columns of air. Through means that defy verbalization, this image conjured up other images of a disco dance floor, with the mirror ball and coked-up John Travolta wannabees, demonstrating their plumage in hopes of enticing other coked-up disco denizens to go back to some terrible apartment with a fake zebra skin rug where awkward and ultimately depressing undulations might take place. This in turn made you think of chaos theory and consider the possibility that a single act of depravity in a medieval torture chamber could very well have been *the* catalyzing event that eventually led to the invention of disco.

You're not allowed to say things like that, so you just say you were thinking about "nothing".

That is a great description of an introverted male brain. Way to go.

134 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:19:51pm

re: #132 EmmmieG

Oh. I usually just imagine what would happen right now if gravity reversed itself. How could I get to what is right now my upstairs? How would we get around, etc.

How would we keep change in our pockets. I know: nudity!

/

135 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:20:01pm

re: #132 EmmmieG

Oh. I usually just imagine what would happen right now if gravity reversed itself. How could I get to what is right now my upstairs? How would we get around, etc.

"The beer in the fridge?!?! OMG, I hope it's still okay".

136 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:20:26pm

re: #134 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

How would we keep change in our pockets. I know: nudity!

/

I spent a lot of time in class imagining desks falling to the ceiling.

137 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:20:53pm

re: #132 EmmmieG

Oh. I usually just imagine what would happen right now if gravity reversed itself. How could I get to what is right now my upstairs? How would we get around, etc.

Give me a second...

138 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:21:32pm

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth

You're "nothing"s are certainly more interesting than my "nothing"s.

His nothings are a lot like mine, especially the weird ass irrelevant but interesting (to me) connections.

Then again, your nothings are also well within my experience.

139 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:22:19pm

re: #129 negativ

So, the male brain is usually in a string theory mode.

140 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:23:40pm

re: #134 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

How would we keep change in our pockets. I know: nudity!

/

I'm quite comfortable walking around naked. My wife and I used to do it all the time when the kids were young, and I do it now when the grandkid isn't around (his choice).

141 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:23:52pm

re: #137 Varek Raith

I have a question for you...

142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:24:32pm

re: #140 b_sharp

Smart kid.
/:P

143 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:24:40pm

re: #130 WindUpBird

the usual pigs, the usual dogwhistles, the usual lee atwater ni**er ni**er

So when I'm a senior citizen, are there just going to be a new generation of republicans who do this with different dogwhistles? sure as hell seems like it

Watching news coverage of the SC primary buildup (mainly to check how bad it was), I couldn't help but notice the would-be primary voters were 99% all right - 99% white and 99% old.

Could that be a sign they'll be gone for good sooner rather than later, only to be replaced by potheaded Paulians? (which, as I understand, is the only under-30 group that bothers with the GOP)

144 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:25:52pm

re: #141 Slumbering Behemoth

I have a question for you...

Heh, beats me.
:P

Image: Endor_Holocaust.jpg

145 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:26:06pm

re: #143 publicityStunted

Watching news coverage of the SC primary buildup (mainly to check how bad it was), I couldn't help but notice the would-be primary voters were 99% all right - 99% white and 99% old.

Could that be a sign they'll be gone for good sooner rather than later, only to be replaced by potheaded Paulians? (which, as I understand, is the only under-30 group that bothers with the GOP)

Scary shit to stop and think of what it's gonna be like when me and the rest of the Gen-Xers are the ones running things.

146 Jerk  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:26:50pm

re: #140 b_sharp

I'm quite comfortable walking around naked. My wife and I used to do it all the time when the kids were young, and I do it now when the grandkid isn't around (his choice).

What do you do when the doorbell rings?

147 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:26:51pm

re: #139 prairiefire

So, the male brain is usually in a string theory mode.

It bounces between string theory and a cat chasing a string ball theory.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:28:11pm

re: #116 EmmmieG

If you were a good wife, you would make the sandwich.

Then eat it in front of him, and give him a verdict.

But I don't eat bacon!

149 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:28:17pm

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

Smart kid.
/:P

I think so too, but since I haven't seen my junk in years it's nice to have others let me know it's still there.

150 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:28:59pm

re: #145 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Scary shit to stop and think of what it's gonna be like when me and the rest of the Gen-Xers are the ones running things.

At least you'll be more familiar with the workings of the "series of tubes."

151 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:29:07pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

But I don't eat bacon!

Heresy!

/

152 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:29:10pm

re: #146 Jerk

What do you do when the doorbell rings?

"You're not what I asked the escort service for, but fuck it, you'll do. C'mon in".

153 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:30:10pm

re: #146 Jerk

What do you do when the doorbell rings?

Hope it's the seventh day adventists?

154 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:30:19pm

re: #146 Jerk

What do you do when the doorbell rings?

I answer the door.

155 Jerk  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:31:02pm

re: #154 b_sharp

I answer the door.

Touché.

156 Etaoin Shrdlu  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:31:05pm

“Every one of them got rid of slavery.... One of the techniques they used was literally buying slaves' freedom.” — Ron Paul

So, it's the position of ‘Libertarians’, who go on and on about taxation being theft, that it's actually a good idea if you're taking money from innocent people and giving it to slaveholders? Of course that makes sense.

157 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:32:04pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

But I don't eat bacon!

Oh, yeah. So make it and go find a volunteer to eat it in front of him and tell him what it tastes like. Does he have a sister?

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:32:28pm

re: #155 Jerk

Touché.

"That sounds fancy. Do I have to pay extra for that"?

159 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:32:53pm

re: #143 publicityStunted

Could that be a sign they'll be gone for good sooner rather than later, only to be replaced by potheaded Paulians? (which, as I understand, is the only under-30 group that bothers with the GOP)

I'm envisioning a vast sleeper cell of demented little Jonathan Krohn clones, invisible to society due to homeschooling and exclusively church-oriented recreational activities. In about 20 years they'll all start to hatch, and they'll make Rick Santorum seem like Arthur Fonzarelli by comparison.

160 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:34:30pm

re: #158 Slumbering Behemoth

"That sounds fancy. Do I have to pay extra for that"?

Only the erotic touché. The regular touché is free.

161 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:35:17pm

re: #159 negativ

I'm envisioning a vast sleeper cell of demented little Jonathan Krohn clones, invisible to society due to homeschooling and exclusively church-oriented recreational activities. In about 20 years they'll all start to hatch, and they'll make Rick Santorum seem like Arthur Fonzarelli by comparison.

That, or when confronted with their new found freedom and the reality of a world denied to them, they go completely apeshit and make the "Free Love" hippies of the 60's look like Quakers.

162 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:36:00pm

re: #159 negativ

I'm envisioning a vast sleeper cell of demented little Jonathan Krohn clones, invisible to society due to homeschooling and exclusively church-oriented recreational activities. In about 20 years they'll all start to hatch, and they'll make Rick Santorum seem like Arthur Fonzarelli by comparison.

Thanks Neg, I didn't want to sleep ever again anyway.

/

163 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:36:48pm

re: #143 publicityStunted

Watching news coverage of the SC primary buildup (mainly to check how bad it was), I couldn't help but notice the would-be primary voters were 99% all right - 99% white and 99% old.

Could that be a sign they'll be gone for good sooner rather than later, only to be replaced by potheaded Paulians? (which, as I understand, is the only under-30 group that bothers with the GOP)

dare to dream!

164 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:38:08pm

re: #152 Slumbering Behemoth

"You're not what I asked the escort service for, but fuck it, you'll do. C'mon in".

Youtube Video
165 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:38:36pm

re: #164 Varek Raith

[Video]

Giggity.

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:48:35pm

re: #157 EmmmieG

Oh, yeah. So make it and go find a volunteer to eat it in front of him and tell him what it tastes like. Does he have a sister?

Yes, but she's in Kentucky. I guess we could Skype it.

167 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:50:35pm

Life is full of tough spots and negative events. A little perspective is sometimes in order.

168 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:56:28pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but she's in Kentucky. I guess we could Skype it.

Or, alternatively, he could just make it and let you know.

169 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:58:49pm

re: #168 EmmmieG

Or, alternatively, he could just make it and let you know.

Bear in mind this is coming from someone who just ate a strawberry crepe made by her twelve year old son.

170 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:59:58pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

fuck :sigh: Hello?!?! Willing guinea pig right here!
/If I say "Make me a sandwich", will I get my ass beat?

171 freetoken  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:03:29pm

Time to delve into one of the mysteries of us humans:

Global genetic variation at OAS1 provides evidence of archaic admixture in Melanesian populations

Recent analysis of DNA extracted from two Eurasian forms of archaic human show that more genetic variants are shared with humans currently living in Eurasia than with anatomically modern humans in sub-Saharan Africa. While these genome-wide average measures of genetic similarity are consistent with the hypothesis of archaic admixture in Eurasia, analyses of individual loci exhibiting the signal of archaic introgression are needed to test alternative hypotheses and investigate the admixture process. Here, we provide a detailed sequence analysis of the innate immune gene, OAS1, a locus with a divergent Melanesian haplotype that is very similar to the Denisova sequence from the Altai region of Siberia. We re-sequenced a 7 kb region encompassing the OAS1 gene in 88 individuals from 6 Old World populations (San, Biaka, Mandenka, French Basque, Han Chinese, and Papua New Guineans) and discovered previously unknown and ancient genetic variation. The 5' region of this gene has unusual patterns of diversity, including 1) higher levels of nucleotide diversity in Papuans than in sub-Saharan Africans, 2) very deep ancestry with an estimated time to the most recent common ancestor of >3 million years, and 3) a basal branching pattern with Papuan individuals on either side of the rooted network. A global geographic survey of >1500 individuals showed that the divergent Papuan haplotype is nearly restricted to populations from eastern Indonesia and Melanesia. Polymorphic sites within this haplotype are shared with the draft Denisova genome over a span of ∼90 kb and are associated with an extended block of linkage disequilibrium, supporting the hypothesis that this haplotype introgressed from an archaic source that likely lived in Eurasia.

IOW, a recent "out of Africa" scenario is too simplistic to understand human evolution. Here again is evidence that the DNA holds secrets of our rather convoluted evolution.

This will eventually become big news though for now it remains with the geeky followers of molecular biologists, and the fallout in society is hard to estimate but our past is much more complicated, and interesting, than the short stories given to school children or found in most of the popular press.

The creationists of course refuse to look at all of this, but that is to be expected.

My other concern is that a new wave of social darwinism could arise (especially in a future fraught with wars and crises) in which vested parties take the results of modern science - which shows that different human groups are indeed quite divergent and probably have some ancestors from rather different groups within the Homo genus - and that this will drive a new variant of racism.

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:04:28pm

re: #168 EmmmieG

Or, alternatively, he could just make it and let you know.

Yeah. He's a food experimenter.

Most of his experiments feature bacon or peanut butter in some proportions. Or barbecue sauce.

173 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:05:30pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. He's a food experimenter.

Most of his experiments feature bacon or peanut butter in some proportions. Or barbecue sauce.

Hmm, a peanut butter & bacon sandwich with a sampling of BBQ sauce...I think my taste buds just revolted at the thought.

174 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:05:38pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. He's a food experimenter.

Most of his experiments feature bacon or peanut butter in some proportions. Or barbecue sauce.

I bet they'd eat bacon and peanut butter sandwiches.

[Link: losangeles.cbslocal.com...]

Although, frankly, if they'd asked a mom, we could have told them that quinoa was not going to go over.

175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:09:07pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

Most of his experiments feature bacon or peanut butter in some proportions. Or barbecue sauce.

Do you recall some months back when I said your husband was lucky to find you first? I take that back. You're the lucky one. You're lucky I'm not gay.
/:P

176 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:09:27pm

re: #171 freetoken

My other concern is that a new wave of social darwinism could arise (especially in a future fraught with wars and crises) in which vested parties take the results of modern science - which shows that different human groups are indeed quite divergent and probably have some ancestors from rather different groups within the Homo genus - and that this will drive a new variant of racism.

Too true - any excuse to kill "the other" will do :( On that thoroughly disturbing note, is there any possibility of something like this becoming reality at some point?

177 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:09:40pm

re: #173 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Hmm, a peanut butter & bacon sandwich with a sampling of BBQ sauce...I think my taste buds just revolted at the thought.

It's like I don't even know you anymore.

178 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:11:24pm

re: #177 Slumbering Behemoth

It's like I don't even know you anymore.

I get that alot.

//

179 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:12:55pm

Wow! White supremacists, white nationalists, and other filthy Confederate flag-wavers running for office under the Republican/conservative label.

Imagine that. /

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:13:35pm

re: #179 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Wow! White supremacists, white nationalists, and other filthy Confederate flag-wavers running for office under the Republican/conservative label.

Imagine that. /

Shocked I am

181 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:14:11pm

re: #180 WindUpBird

Shocked I am

Yoda, is that you?

/

182 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:16:46pm

re: #181 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yoda, is that you?

/

yes, but not the impostor who bounces around like Sonic the Hedgehog

183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:18:33pm

re: #182 WindUpBird

yes, but not the impostor who bounces around like Sonic the Hedgehog

But, how could Yoda have been Jedi master if he moved like a three-toed sloth?

And, why do you hate hedgehogs?

184 efuseakay  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:21:31pm

This will only get more "conservatives" to vote for him.

185 freetoken  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:22:20pm

re: #176 publicityStunted

On that thoroughly disturbing note, is there any possibility of something like this becoming reality at some point?

Don't know, but it would appear to be quite difficult to accomplish. Humans are quite mixed genetically, and we share so many common ancestors even just 10 generations back (e..g, you and I have a good chance of sharing an ancestor 10 generations back, and by 20 generations back almost certainly we have someone in common.)

186 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:24:11pm

re: #185 freetoken

Don't know, but it would appear to be quite difficult to accomplish. Humans are quite mixed genetically, and we share so many common ancestors even just 10 generations back (e..g, you and I have a good chance of sharing an ancestor 10 generations back, and by 20 generations back almost certainly we have someone in common.)

It would seem easier to use behavior rather than genetics.

For example, if you poisoned batches of Lutefisk, few Italians would be affected.

187 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:29:49pm

re: #186 EmmmieG

For example, if you poisoned batches of Lutefisk, few Italians would be affected. it would be impossible to tell the difference.

FTFM.

188 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:31:13pm

re: #186 EmmmieG

For example, if you poisoned batches of Lutefisk, few Italians would be affected.

I doubt anyone would be affected. I mean, if you poisoned Lutefisk, who would really be able to tell the difference?

189 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:31:43pm

re: #176 publicityStunted

Too true - any excuse to kill "the other" will do :( On that thoroughly disturbing note, is there any possibility of something like this becoming reality at some point?

No.

People are not as pure as they claim, or think they are.

190 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:31:47pm

re: #7 darthstar

Ron Paul's a bigot. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Ron Paul is Jubilation T. Cornpone:

Dogpatch's founder and most famous son, memorialized by a town statue, is Confederate General Jubilation T. Cornpone — renowned for "Cornpone's Retreat," "Cornpone's Disaster," "Cornpone's Misjudgment," and "Cornpone's Hoomiliation." Cornpone was such a disastrously incompetent military leader that he came to be considered an important asset of the opposing side. According to the stage play, the statue was commissioned by a grateful President Abraham Lincoln! (In one storyline, the General's statue is filled with Kickapoo Joy juice, which brings it to "life." It then goes on a rampage, beheading all the statues of Union generals. As the U.S. Army can't destroy it — since it's a National Monument — Kickapoo Joy Juice is poured into a Union statue, which "defeats" the Cornpone statue!)

191 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:31:56pm

re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth

I doubt anyone would be affected. I mean, if you poisoned Lutefisk, who would really be able to tell the difference?

It's like battery acid.

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:31:59pm

re: #187 negativ

Missed it by that much.

193 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:32:26pm

re: #189 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No.

People are not as pure as they claim, or think they are.

Quoted For Truth.

194 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:36:40pm

If you poisoned jello, you would get Mormons, and I think Methodists. Or did I get the wrong mainline Protestants?

195 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:37:01pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

It's like battery acid.

Have you tried Lutefisk? I haven't.

196 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:37:21pm

If, by some miracle, the South had won the Civil War (the correlation of forces was really not in their favour) it was doomed anyway.

A nation founded on 'If I don't wanna, I don't haveta' can't last long. The first time Georgia, say, and Alabama got into a disagreement over something and the Confederate government solved it, one or both would have given the Confederacy the finger and struck off on their own. I'm not sure the Confederacy could have started or survived a Civil War of its own.

Within a couple of decades the Confederacy would have been as fragmented and miserable as the area once known as Yugoslavia.

Sometimes you get what you wish for and it's not what you want.

197 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:37:36pm

re: #195 prairiefire

Have you tried Lutefisk? I haven't.

Nope.
Having what it is described to me in detail was enough.

198 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:37:48pm

re: #195 prairiefire

Have you tried Lutefisk? I haven't.

I am using the excuse of my profound lack of Norwegian blood.

My ancestors lived on the Germany-Poland border.

I eat kielbasa.

199 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:38:03pm

re: #194 EmmmieG

If you poisoned jello, you would get Mormons, and I think Methodists. Or did I get the wrong mainline Protestants?

I'm not sure. Lutherans have a lot of pot lucks.

200 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:38:41pm

re: #199 prairiefire

I'm not sure. Lutherans have a lot of pot lucks.

Which group are the coffee drinkers?

201 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:39:27pm

I am told my great grandma Wickstrom made delicate, delicious Swedish cookies.

202 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:39:45pm

re: #200 EmmmieG

Which group are the coffee drinkers?

Um, all of them?

203 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:39:58pm

re: #185 freetoken

Don't know, but it would appear to be quite difficult to accomplish. Humans are quite mixed genetically, and we share so many common ancestors even just 10 generations back

I figured as much. As far as bio-weapons go, the obvious scenario would seem to be this:

1) Make special virus
2) Immunize your own
3) Unleash virus upon the world
4) PROFIT! (i.e. all the useable land and water is yours)

Or, some other yet-to-be-discovered method of killing huge numbers of people without poisoning stuff you want for yourself (which rules out any radiation-producing weapon like nuclear, neutron, etc)

The worse the climate/food/water security situation gets, the more likely the scenarios above become.

204 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:40:26pm

re: #202 prairiefire

Um, all of them?

I know that. I remember reading that one group really, really liked coffee.

205 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:40:30pm

re: #202 prairiefire

Um, all of them?

Coffee and doughnuts in the Fellowship Hall (basement) before church.

206 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:40:56pm

re: #204 EmmmieG

I know that. I remember reading that one group really, really liked coffee.

Shakers?/

207 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:41:26pm

re: #203 publicityStunted

I figured as much. As far as bio-weapons go, the obvious scenario would seem to be this:

1) Make special virus
2) Immunize your own
3) Unleash virus upon the world
4) PROFIT! (i.e. all the useable land and water is yours)

Or, some other yet-to-be-discovered method of killing huge numbers of people without poisoning stuff you want for yourself (which rules out any radiation-producing weapon like nuclear, neutron, etc)

The worse the climate/food/water security situation gets, the more likely the scenarios above become.

I'd just ignite the atmosphere.
What would I care?
I'm in orbit.

:P

208 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:43:53pm

re: #207 Varek Raith

I'd just ignite the atmosphere.
What would I care?
I'm in orbit.

:P

And completely destroy your sole source of Ewok-kebobs? I don't believe you.

209 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:44:50pm

re: #196 Romantic Heretic

If, by some miracle, the South had won the Civil War (the correlation of forces was really not in their favour) it was doomed anyway.

A nation founded on 'If I don't wanna, I don't haveta' can't last long. The first time Georgia, say, and Alabama got into a disagreement over something and the Confederate government solved it, one or both would have given the Confederacy the finger and struck off on their own. I'm not sure the Confederacy could have started or survived a Civil War of its own.

Within a couple of decades the Confederacy would have been as fragmented and miserable as the area once known as Yugoslavia.

Sometimes you get what you wish for and it's not what you want.

Not so sure. I think the constant fear that USA could and would take advantage of any fracturing in the young CSA would keep them fairly united for awhile, at least compelled to seek equitable agreements where possible. Not to mention kicking them damn yankees in the teeth would have instilled a feeling of pride and camaraderie that would take much to spoil.

210 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:47:24pm

re: #176 publicityStunted

Too true - any excuse to kill "the other" will do :( On that thoroughly disturbing note, is there any possibility of something like this becoming reality at some point?

Such a weapon was central to the plot for an episode of Fringe - The Bishop Revival

211 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:47:56pm

re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth

And completely destroy your sole source of Ewok-kebobs? I don't believe you.

The burning atmosphere ignites the forest, which in burning cooks the Ewoks properly. The cooked Ewok carcasses are extracted by stormtroopers in special heat suits brought down by assault ships. And these are Varek's stormtroopers, so they can actually shoot straight.

212 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:48:03pm

re: #207 Varek Raith

I'd just ignite the atmosphere.
What would I care?
I'm in orbit.

:P

What, while playing "I Don't Want To Set the World on Fire" over the intercom?

/

213 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:48:47pm

Found it. Lutherans. Scroll down to #8.

(However, I did have a great time going through all the religious lightbulb jokes.

[Link: www.holytrinitynewrochelle.org...]

214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:53:05pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

All tattered and "torn pone"?

(I played Lil' Abner in the musical before I was ... uh ... fat.)

I used to kind of be... right dead sexy.

215 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:53:05pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Varek Raith. The top 1% of the top 1%.

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:54:24pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

Youtube Video
217 Digital Display  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:56:55pm

Hi Lizards! Just dropping in for a few...
We buried dad today..God bless his soul.
VFW gave him a 21 guns salute today. I don't know about you guys but it was my first and those guns were so loud with the volley I almost jumped out of my skin..It was really really loud..I wasn't expecting it..When the Military guy said a prayer and march over and handed me the American flag..I totally lost it..I was doing so well through the mass and I spoke for about 5 minutes what my dad meant to me...but when he handed me the flag..I just lost it...
It all hit me at once..Then before I left the grave site they gave me the 21 spent shells in a plastic bag...I lost it again...After that it was being with relatives, food and beer...I miss my dad

218 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:58:57pm

And, of course, my posting on this thread must include My Standing Answer to Neo-Confederates:

Youtube Video
219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:00:22pm

re: #217 HoosierHoops

Most folks "end up" with their kids; your Pops chose you.

I'm sorry for your loss, my friend.

220 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:02:00pm

re: #215 Slumbering Behemoth

Varek Raith. The top 1% of the top 1%.

He's a Sith, so of course he's 1% of 1%. Maybe rarer than that, given that the Force sensitivity needed to become a Jedi or Sith is a top 1% of the top 1% type of thing.

221 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:03:23pm

I just got back here, and saw the thing on the Caribbean attempted coup.

That is in my Top 5 of weirdest shit I have seen.

Also, this magical little bit of funny come on to my Twitter:

Pres_Bartlet Josiah Bartlet
Today Barack Obama was in Disney World. Meanwhile Dopey, Grumpy, Goofy and the Mad Hatter are all in South Carolina for the GOP Primary.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:03:37pm

re: #213 EmmmieG

When you watch a "Star Wars" movie and they say, May the Force be with you, you respond, "and also with you".

Oh! That's hysterical!

223 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:05:01pm

re: #176 publicityStunted

Too true - any excuse to kill "the other" will do :( On that thoroughly disturbing note, is there any possibility of something like this becoming reality at some point?

Back in the 80s I read a book called "A Higher Form of Killing" which is full of some of the most insane things humans have ever come up with. It reads like Alex Jones kook literature (the content, not the writing style), except that it was written by two non-kook authors - Jeremy Paxman and Robert Harris.

It details all manner of experiments in chem and bio warfare that really go a long way towards justifying negative feelings about human nature in general. One of the parts that stuck with Teenage Me as I read it was the research that went into developing methods to defeat gas masks. One of the things they came up with was a substance called chloropicrin. It causes violent nausea and vomiting. The idea being that you either barf into your gas mask and drown in your own spew, or you take off the mask to let the chunks out and then the mustard gas melts your lungs. People worked really hard to design this stuff, on purpose.

There's also some material in the book having to do with the Pentagon commissioning feasibility studies to see if a bio agent could be designed that targeted people of specific genetic makeup (i.e. ethnicity).

224 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:08:04pm

Some more Civil War music from this Illinois Yankee:

Youtube Video
225 Digital Display  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:11:57pm

re: #219 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Most folks "end up" with their kids; your pops chose you.

I'm sorry for your loss, my friend.

Thank you FVB..My folks couldn't have kids and being adopted at 12 I am considered legally the oldest son..I never deserved their love..
Thanks for your thoughts...

226 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:13:17pm

re: #225 HoosierHoops

Thank you FVB..My folks couldn't have kids and being adopted at 12 I am considered legally the oldest son..I never deserved their love..
Thanks for your thoughts...

Yes, you did.

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:14:32pm

re: #225 HoosierHoops

"Deserve" ain't got nothing to do with it. Much respect for your folks, and I am sorry for your loss.

228 Jerk  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:16:00pm

re: #223 negativ

We are roughly 85% alike genetically to people of our own race, as well as to any random person on earth. A genetic weapon would be terribly inaccurate. Don't get your hopes up.

229 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:16:16pm

re: #223 negativ

Back in the 80s I read a book called "A Higher Form of Killing" which is full of some of the most insane things humans have ever come up with. It reads like Alex Jones kook literature (the content, not the writing style), except that it was written by two non-kook authors - Jeremy Paxman and Robert Harris.

It details all manner of experiments in chem and bio warfare that really go a long way towards justifying negative feelings about human nature in general. One of the parts that stuck with Teenage Me as I read it was the research that went into developing methods to defeat gas masks. One of the things they came up with was a substance called chloropicrin. It causes violent nausea and vomiting. The idea being that you either barf into your gas mask and drown in your own spew, or you take off the mask to let the chunks out and then the mustard gas melts your lungs. People worked really hard to design this stuff, on purpose.

There's also some material in the book having to do with the Pentagon commissioning feasibility studies to see if a bio agent could be designed that targeted people of specific genetic makeup (i.e. ethnicity).

Wasn't there also work towards a "gay bomb"?

230 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:17:12pm

And now we'll have one of the best versions of the Battle Hymn of the Republic ever recorded, courtesy of some of Mitt Romney's coreligionists:

Youtube Video
232 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:20:47pm

re: #229 talon_262

Wasn't there also work towards a "gay bomb"?

I don't remember for sure, nor do I remember if there was a nude bomb.

233 Jimmi the Grey  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:22:55pm

re: #213 EmmmieG

And finally, you know when you're a Lutheran when: It's 100 degrees, with 90% humidity, and you still have coffee after the service.

Donuts are a line item in the church budget, just like coffee.

Think I found my church!

234 Jimmi the Grey  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:25:04pm

re: #229 talon_262

Wasn't there also work towards a "gay bomb"?

No because research towards this would debunk the talking point of it being a lifestyle choice.//

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:25:31pm

My mom was adopted. It wasn't until I was 14 that I learned that my maternal grandparents weren't blood related. I was never given reason to think otherwise. They treated me as if I were. The revelation changed nothing for me, even at that age of general teenage turmoil.

They say blood is thicker than water. I say love is thicker still.

236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:27:57pm

re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy shit! You just quoted Andy Gibb!

237 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:29:30pm

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Holy shit! You just quoted Andy Gibb!

Fuck. And I was having a moment and everything.

238 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:34:00pm

And yet my blood related, deadbeat pops...

Once told me that the maternal side of my family wasn't "real" family because they weren't blood. If I was fighting weight...

239 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:34:35pm

re: #217 HoosierHoops

{{Hoops}}

240 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:37:06pm

I got myself into an awkward situation over FB. I'm not going forward until you all give me advice.

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:37:43pm

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

Oh, hell, that's the Peter J W's, version. Any idiot who's ever been in a High School Choir can sing that.

(it's freakin' fantastic. And I rocked the heck out of the bass line.)

242 Digital Display  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:40:36pm

re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth

My mom was adopted. It wasn't until I was 14 that I learned that my maternal grandparents weren't blood related. I was never given reason to think otherwise. They treated me as if I were. The revelation changed nothing for me, even at that age of general teenage turmoil.

They say blood is thicker than water. I say love is thicker still.

That is perfect...It's not easy when a family starts off with a 12 yr. old who lived in foster homes..It must have been hell cause it took them another 6 yrs. to adopt my little brother...I was a hand full.. I knew when I was a little kid instantly if you were an asshole or cool..I knew being in a room with you for 2 minutes..I knew then..I know now..
I guess me and my brother are rich now..My dad invested in mineral and oil rights in ND since the 70's..We go see this mineral rights lawyer monday
to review the leases. I knew the folks were well off living in Napa Valley but come on...Land leases in ND? Dad was really smart...I may retire to the Lake house and manage land leases...I didn't see this coming...

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:40:37pm

re: #240 ProLifeLiberal

You talking to me?

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:41:40pm

Any way, much respect to Hoops' dad. It is a rare individual that adopts out of love, and shows that love through good times and bad.

I drink this beer in his honor. The world is smaller for his passing.

245 Jerk  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:44:31pm

re: #240 ProLifeLiberal

I got myself into an awkward situation over FB. I'm not going forward until you all give me advice.

Give up and apologize. Facebook fights are terrible terrible things.

e: misread that. Meh.

246 Kragar  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:45:20pm

Playing SW:OTR, I have learned that I am a bad, bad Jedi.

247 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:46:57pm

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody on here more socially competent than me.

Which is everybody.

I said via FB messaging this:

I have a mildly awkward question I want to ask.

I haven't asked it yet because it is. This friend of mine (a lady) is rather close to a guy going to for Grad School at University of Kentucky in August. I can't tell if she has feelings for him her not.

While like her (while at the same time wanting to not screw up a prefectly good friendship, so I'm doing nothing), I prefer to go to someone she will be happy with. And I now I am a stressor. If she does like him, I will begin to push for her to go out with him, and be in a relation ship with him before he goes off.

So, what do I do?

I ask this to all here.

248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:48:17pm

re: #242 HoosierHoops

Funny story about me and my dad. For years I was pestering him to get his "affairs in order" (read; his and mom's will).

After a few years of this (I'm one of 8 kids and have seen families fall apart in the absence of a will) he finally was going to see the lawyer.

I said, "That's great, Dad. Since I'm the one kid who's been bugging you about this, you can leave me out of the will. Not like we're splitting up Trump's millions, and I don't want you to think that's why I've been after you about this."

Dad started verbally going over some of his assets and he got to the thousands of shares of GE stock that he had accumulated over 42 years of working for them... he paused when he saw me standing there with my jaw hanging open.

I said, "Dad? You do know how to spell my name, right?"

He still tells that story. What makes it funnier? I'm Jr.

249 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:51:25pm

re: #247 ProLifeLiberal

Of course, I have yet to ask the question of her feelings, but she also knows I want to ask her something awkward.

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:52:37pm

re: #247 ProLifeLiberal

I am not socially competent at all, but I'm a pretty bold guy.

I'd just flat out ask.

"How serious is this thing with that wanker? Do you want some of this?"

Well? You asked.

251 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:53:56pm

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No, what you said is useful.

I have to start by eliminating SOME avenues. :P

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:54:36pm

re: #247 ProLifeLiberal

So, what do I do?

Nothing. No matter how it breaks, interfering could wind up breeding deep resentment.

If your friend asks, offer honest answers. If your friend does not ask, mind your business.

253 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:56:49pm

re: #247 ProLifeLiberal

With respect, I'm going to not answer this one. What I know about such situations could be inscribed on a grain of rice.

254 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:01:10pm

re: #247 ProLifeLiberal

1.) If she likes the guy it's really none of your business and she probably won't welcome you pushing for her to go out with him, it's creepy. Don't pry, if she brings it up and asks for advice it different, otherwise ... boundaries.

2.) If you like her, let her know, directly, don't ask about this other guy first. Girls aren't clairvoyant but they can damn near always tell when guys are being awkward around them and holding something back. If she's not into you it may or may not end the friendship, but you can't let fear of that unknown hold you back. She probably already knows you like her and will respect you more if you just say so.

255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:01:26pm

re: #251 ProLifeLiberal

Howabout...

"Do you want your relationship with this guy to be permanent? Do you understand he's gonna dump you the minute he gets out of Grad School?"

You know... subtle.

256 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:03:10pm

re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, she's just friends with him now, but she spends alot of time with him. At the same time, I want to make sure my friend is happy. Friend comes first, I'm secondary.

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:03:23pm

Crap! Look at the time! G'night friends well met!

258 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:03:27pm

Hoops--Nobody deserves their parents' love.

It comes from within their own hearts. You're a parent, you know this.

Your parents' love for you is about them, not you. (This is why God loves us even though we mess up something fierce.)

259 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:05:16pm

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

Now I'm cornfused. I thought PLL was a hetero female.

260 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:06:04pm

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

Now I'm cornfused. I thought PLL was a hetero female.

No. PLL is a hetereo male with Asberger's syndrome, and a Muslim.

Am I correct?

261 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:10:32pm

re: #260 EmmmieG

Bingo.

Except the Asperger's Syndrome has a P.

262 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:11:15pm

re: #260 EmmmieG

Fuck. What? I have no idea, do I?

263 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:13:08pm

re: #261 ProLifeLiberal

Dang. Sorry dude. I have no idea where I got the idea you were a female.
/NTTAWWT

264 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:13:30pm

re: #261 ProLifeLiberal

Bingo.

Except the Asperger's Syndrome has a P.

Would you believe I put it in then took it out?

Spell check is unhappy either way.

265 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:16:47pm

re: #263 Slumbering Behemoth

Dang. Sorry dude. I have no idea where I got the idea you were a female.
/NTTAWWT

You think everyone online is a hot chick.
/

266 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:18:18pm

re: #265 Varek Raith

You think everyone online is a hot chick.
/

Impossible, there are no women on the Internet.

///

267 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:18:37pm

Oh, and Stanley Sea is a girl, and Decatur Deb is a boy.

268 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:18:58pm

re: #264 EmmmieG

My spell check gets pissy with it, and my last name, so no worries.

re: #263 Slumbering Behemoth

Probably because I have admitted I like TSwift on here. Not a big deal, I realize that makes me a bit unusual compared to others my gender and age.

269 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:19:37pm

re: #265 Varek Raith

You think everyone online is a hot chick.
/

I honestly have no idea why I assumed PLL was a female. I just did. Potential hawtness was never a factor. What can I say? The internet is weird.

270 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:21:06pm

It's snowing.
Almost an inch and a half.
An inch and a half more than what the weather guy said.

271 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:22:01pm

re: #268 ProLifeLiberal

Probably because I have admitted I like TSwift on here. Not a big deal, I realize that makes me a bit unusual compared to others my gender and age.

Meh. Musical taste is entirely subjective and is in no way indicative of gender.

However, admitting that you like Taylor Swift is totally gay.
///

272 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:23:45pm

re: #269 Slumbering Behemoth

I am amused the video. :)

273 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:24:54pm

re: #256 ProLifeLiberal

Well, she's just friends with him now, but she spends alot of time with him. At the same time, I want to make sure my friend is happy. Friend comes first, I'm secondary.

I get that you struggle with this kind of social reading shit but I'll let you in on a little secret, most young guys do. The whole "nice guys finish last" cliché is the result of a near universal learning curve. You don't have to turn off the part that cares about the friendship, but you should realize that a friendship dependent on you constantly holding back and not expressing your true feelings is based on a kind of fraud. Everyone's afraid of rejection, but it's better than being a coward. Far better. Even if she says no it doesn't mean the friendship has to die, though it's imperative to then keep some serious space for awhile to make it clear you got the message ... let her call you, etc.

274 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:32:37pm

re: #273 goddamnedfrank

You don't have to turn off the part that cares about the friendship, but you should realize that a friendship dependent on you constantly holding back and not expressing your true feeling is based on a kind of fraud.

This is true of any kind of relationship, including those among platonic friends.

I have just less than a handful of true friends, and that is because if you ask me a question, or I see you're fixing to fuck up bad, I tell it straight.

Most people don't like that. The few that do, they are my friends. And they are so because they have the love to return the favor.

275 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:33:43pm

I think I'm allergic to people.
:P

276 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:34:06pm

re: #274 Slumbering Behemoth

Same to a point here.

277 freetoken  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:34:26pm

One of the last polls, maybe the last, before tomorrow's SC primary:


Newt expands South Carolina lead

Well, maybe Newtie will win it. And, with the Iowa GOP making it clear tonight that Santorum won the IA caucuses, that means the first three contests may well be won by 3 different candidates.

I still expect the GOP ticket to be Romney/Santorum. It would probably be a tough competition for Obama,

278 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:35:33pm

re: #275 Varek Raith

I think I'm allergic to people.
:P

Does that make you sad?

279 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:36:04pm

re: #278 Slumbering Behemoth

Does that make you sad?

Hah!

280 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:37:34pm

re: #271 Slumbering Behemoth

You haven't seen the collaboration concert from a few years back between Taylor Swift and Def Leppard.

Taylor Swift did some of the vocals for "Pour Some Sugar on Me"

281 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:39:35pm

re: #277 freetoken

I still expect the GOP ticket to be Romney/Santorum. It would probably be a tough competition for Obama,

I don't think so, but I totally suck at calling these kinds of things. I've had better luck at picking lottery numbers. No shit.

282 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:41:51pm

re: #281 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't think so, but I totally suck at calling these kinds of things. I've had better luck at picking lottery numbers. No shit.

So...
About those numbers...

283 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:43:46pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

I won $80 once. Still, it's more than I've put into it.

/So far, anyway.

284 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:45:34pm

re: #277 freetoken

I still expect the GOP ticket to be Romney/Santorum.

After announcing Mr. Santorum as his running mate, Mr. Romney had this to say:

On abortion—some say I have changed my views. It is true that I once described myself as “pro-choice.” But again, ask yourselves, what did I mean? I meant that every woman should be free to make the right choice. What is the right choice? To have as many children as God bestows. I once visited the great nation of Nigeria and a met woman who was blessed to have had 24 children—fully two-thirds of which survived beyond the age of five. The power of God is beyond our understanding. And this woman’s faith was a sight to behold.

Finally, I would like to address the scandalous assertion, once leveled by the Texas Pastor, Robert Jeffress, that my church—the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints—is “a cult.” In fairness, he almost got that right—the LDS Church is a culture. A culture of faith and goodness and reverence for God Almighty. Scientology is a cult—this so-called religion was just made up out of whole cloth by the science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. But the teachings of my Church derive directly from the prophetic experience of its founder, Joseph Smith Jr., who by the aid of sacred seer stones, the Urim and Thummim, was able to decipher the final revelations of God which were written in reformed Egyptian upon a set golden plates revealed to him by the angel Moroni. Many of you are probably unfamiliar with this history—and some of you may even doubt its truth.

I am now speaking to the base of our party, to the 60 percent who believe that God created this fine universe, and humanity in its present form, at some point in the last 10,000 years. Let me make one thing absolutely clear to you: I believe what you believe. Your God is my God. I believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah and the Son of God, crucified for our sins, and resurrected for our salvation. And I believe that He will return to earth to judge the living and the dead.

But my Church offers a further revelation: We believe that when Jesus Christ returns to earth, He will return, not to Jerusalem, or to Baghdad, but to this great nation—and His first stop will be Jackson County, Missouri. The LDS Church teaches that the Garden of Eden itself was in Missouri! Friends, it is a marvelous vision. Some Christians profess not to like this teaching. But I ask you, where would you rather the Garden of Eden be, in the great state of Missouri or in some hellhole in the Middle East?

285 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:45:48pm

re: #283 Slumbering Behemoth

I won $80 once. Still, it's more than I've put into it.

I won -20 bucks.

286 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:47:28pm

re: #285 Varek Raith

When I go to Nevada, it's all about tipping the floor girls and getting as many free drinks as I can while pretending to gamble.

287 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:47:45pm

re: #242 HoosierHoops

That is perfect...It's not easy when a family starts off with a 12 yr. old who lived in foster homes..It must have been hell cause it took them another 6 yrs. to adopt my little brother...I was a hand full.. I knew when I was a little kid instantly if you were an asshole or cool..I knew being in a room with you for 2 minutes..I knew then..I know now..

You don't have to be grateful for being adopted, regardless of the conventional anti-bastard wisdom.

288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:50:30pm

re: #273 goddamnedfrank

The whole "nice guys finish last" cliché is the result of a near universal learning curve.

Plus, that's just a cliché. Give me a cute dork or geek guy who thinks about sex all day over some alpha male idiot or one of his imitators, who thinks only about impressing other men, all day.

289 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:54:01pm

re: #280 ProLifeLiberal

In fact, I can show you the parts she sang. They are bolded:

Step inside, walk this way
You and me babe, Hey, hey!

Love is like a bomb, baby, c'mon get it on
Livin' like a lover with a radar phone
Lookin' like a tramp, like a video vamp
Demolition woman, can I be your man?
Razzle 'n' a dazzle 'n' a flash a little light
Television lover, baby, go all night
Sometime, anytime, sugar me sweet
Little miss ah innocent sugar me, yeah

Hey!
C'mon, take a bottle, shake it up
Break the bubble, break it up

Pour some sugar on me
Ooh, in the name of love
Pour some sugar on me
C'mon, fire me up
Pour your sugar on me
Oh, I can't get enough

I'm hot, sticky sweet
From my head to my feet, yeah

Listen! red light, yellow light, green-a-light go!
Crazy little woman in a one man show
Mirror queen, mannequin, rhythm of love
Sweet dream, saccharine, loosen up

You gotta squeeze a little, squeeze a little
Tease a little more
Easy operator come a knockin' on my door
Sometime, anytime, sugar me sweet
Little miss innocent sugar me, yeah, yeah
Give a little more

Take a bottle, shake it up
Break the bubble, break it up

Pour some sugar on me
Ooh, in the name of love
Pour some sugar on me
C'mon fire me up
Pour your sugar on me
Oh, I can't get enough

I'm hot, sticky sweet
From my head to my feet yeah

[guitar solo]

You got the peaches, I got the cream
Sweet to taste, saccharine
'cause I'm hot, say what, sticky sweet
From my head, my head, to my feet

Do you take sugar? one lump or two?

Take a bottle, shake it up
Break the bubble, break it up

Pour some sugar on me
Ooh, in the name of love
Pour some sugar on me
C'mon fire me up
Pour your sugar on me
Oh, I can't get enough
Pour some sugar on me
Oh, in the name of love
Pour some sugar on me
Get it, come get it
Pour your sugar on me
Ooh
Pour some sugar on me
Yeah! Sugar me!

290 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 10:54:17pm

re: #286 Slumbering Behemoth

When I go to Nevada, it's all about tipping the floor girls and getting as many free drinks as I can while pretending to gamble.

Gambling.
Heh, I have trouble stopping gambling in video games...
I think I'll avoid the real thing.
XD

291 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:00:08pm

re: #271 Slumbering Behemoth

Meh. Musical taste is entirely subjective and is in no way indicative of gender.

However, admitting that you like Taylor Swift is totally gay.
///

I'm gay, I can do very easily without Taylor Swift. lol

292 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:01:11pm

re: #291 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

And I'm the inverse, Straight and can't get enough of her.

Wait, that came out wrong.

293 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:02:00pm

re: #290 Varek Raith

Unless it revolves around some kind of social thing, like a group of friends that get together to play "Texas Hold 'Em" or whatever, there is no point unless you're getting free drinks.

Now in NV, I will hog a cheap slot. Bet way fucking low and slow, and tip incentively. My game is to drink more of their liquor than they get from my wallet.

When I gamble like that, I always win.

294 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:02:26pm

re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth

My mom was adopted. It wasn't until I was 14 that I learned that my maternal grandparents weren't blood related.

That's why I say this.

I was never given reason to think otherwise. They treated me as if I were. The revelation changed nothing for me, even at that age of general teenage turmoil.

They say blood is thicker than water. I say love is thicker still.

Sometimes it is, sometimes it's fleeting. Neither blood nor love is guaranteed.

295 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:05:30pm

re: #292 ProLifeLiberal

And I'm the inverse, Straight and can't get enough of her.

Wait, that came out wrong.

It takes a real man to say so. For all their chest/wife/gay-beating, they typical alpha/beta-imitator creep does not have the balls to admit they like Taylor Swift. There need to be more men like you.

296 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:11:06pm

re: #288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Plus, that's just a cliché. Give me a cute dork or geek guy who thinks about sex all day over some alpha male idiot or one of his imitators, who thinks only about impressing other men, all day.

It's certainly a good thing that girls have gotten a good deal more aggressive over the years, but the cliché is rooted in a certain historical learning curve for both genders. Also, cute dorks and geeks can be nice, or they can be pretentious assholes. It's about finding, or sometimes even faking, the right amount of self assurance that doesn't cross over into egotism. Insecurity is rarely a huge turn on, and at the least prevents many otherwise nice people from pursing their options and desires. It also keeps them from realizing that the downside to taking the risk is usually slim to non-existant.

297 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:16:15pm

re: #296 goddamnedfrank

Also, cute dorks and geeks can be nice, or they can be pretentious assholes. It's about finding, or sometimes even faking, the right amount of self assurance that doesn't cross over into egotism. Insecurity is rarely a huge turn on, and at the least prevents many otherwise nice people from pursing their options and desires.

Well yeah but so can bruisers and wannabe-bruisers trying to impress the bruisers. The fakers trying to impress me get kicked to the curb immediately, because that's just an act they play with all the girls, anyway. Let them go play it with someone else.

Usually isn't even original, either, to boot.

Give me a fella who knows he's a geek/dorky, has no apologies to anyone about it, and is packin' under those mismatched clothes. Nothing hotter than that! lol

298 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:29:22pm

Looking at an Al-Jazeera article, I became curious about the Scottish Seccession issue in the UK.

There have been a large number of polls conducted on support levels for Scottish independence. Professor John Curtice stated in January 2012 that polling shows support for independence at between 32% and 38% of the Scottish population. This has fallen somewhat since the SNP were first elected to become the Scottish Government in 2007. The research also shows, however, that the proportion of the population strongly opposed to independence has fallen significantly in recent years.

Polls show a consistent support for a referendum, including amongst those who support the continuation of the union. Most opinion polls performed have a figure of in-principle support for a referendum around 70–75%.

I get the feeling Scottish Secession won't succeed. Which explains why Alex Salmond wants a referendum in 2014, while the British Government wants it this year.

Our British Lizards need to come out and teach us about this issue, please.

299 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:46:59pm

re: #297 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ideal man: Intelligent; quietly self-confident; has a good sense of humor and able to laugh at himself; low-maintenance (not looking for mommy to prop up his ego to cater to his every need); curious; open-minded; speaks the truth (even when it hurts, but is never cruel); modest; righteous in the face of injustice; even-tempered, never petty or mean-spirited; good conversationalist and never talks just to hear the sound of his own voice; responsible & hard working, but not wealthy (too much distraction with worldly things) or drop-dead handsome (beauty is as beauty does, and physical beauty is fleeting anyway).

Tall order? Yeah. That's why I live alone with my cats. LOL

300 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:48:05pm

G'nite, Lizards.

301 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:50:13pm

re: #11 Meitantei

Okay, he's not an racist. He's just a scumbag that cynically takes advantage of people like them. That's MUCH better.
///

Haha true.

But to me, I don't even give a damn about if he or any of the other dumb cons are "racist". Bottom line is, he is a confederate with anti-minority views and more importantly the policies to match. Other labels on that are secondary, in my book.

302 sagehen  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 12:00:11am

so... you guys heard the new Bruce single?

Youtube Video

I've been knockin' on the door that holds the throne
I've been lookin' for the map that leads me home
I've been stumblin' on good hearts turned to stone
The road of good intentions has gone dry as bone
We take care of our own
We take care of our own
Wherever this flag's flown
We take care of our own

From Chicago to New Orleans
From the muscle to the bone
From the shotgun shack to the Superdome
We yelled "help" but the cavalry stayed home
There ain't no-one hearing the bugle blown
We take care of our own
We take care of our own
Wherever this flag's flown
We take care of our own

Where the eyes, the eyes with the will to see
Where the hearts, that run over with mercy
Where's the love that has not forsaken me
Where's the work that set my hands, my soul free
Where's the spirit that'll reign, reign over me
Where's the promise, from sea to shining sea
Where's the promise, from sea to shining sea
Wherever this flag is flown
Wherever this flag is flown
Wherever this flag is flown

We take care of our own
We take care of our own
Wherever this flag's flown
We take care of our own
We take care of our own
We take care of our own
Wherever this flag's flown
We take care of our own

303 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 12:00:35am

re: #299 CuriousLurker

I can relate.

I don't even think I have an ideal man or woman. The crossover would be something like: honest with themselves, non self-loathing, secure in whatever station in life, able to keep up with me, intellectually. If male, with self control over their own bodies and not afraid of what other, lesser punks think of them. If female, no I'm not moving in with you after the 3rd date.

If male, no, you do not own me if I choose to sleep with you a couple times (and vice versa, so don't act like it/go to complaining and whining about your ball and chain, to your friends). If female, no ring ceremonies, joint checking accounts, signing onto domestic partner health benefits or meeting the parents after 3 mos of dating.

That is a really tall order. Yeah, I do not mind being single, either, lol I prefer it.

My BFF is on okcupid. There is a reason I will never, ever post to that site - who in the world would answer an ad like that? LOL

304 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 12:15:12am

re: #303 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Heh, I'm looking at both of our lists and thinking, "Basically, what we're looking for is a moderate, well-adjusted person who isn't dragging around a ton of emotional baggage we're gonna have to deal with everyday."

Apparently, those people are in short supply. I'm with you—call me arrogant, selfish, whatever, but I quite enjoy my own company and not having to deal with anyone else's drama.

Someone up-thread said something to the effect that a woman over 40 won't care what you think. Too true! It's very liberating. ;)

305 Summer Seale  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 1:15:03am

Video is not available in Israel.

306 researchok  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 1:37:50am

Morning, all

307 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 2:05:58am

BREAKING! DailyKos is an anti-Muslim site now!

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

///

(Well, according to the logic of some, the appearance of the diary above at DK makes it an anti-Muslim site. Whatever.)

308 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 2:24:24am

re: #307 Sergey Romanov

What a stupid diary.

309 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 2:26:01am

re: #308 Obdicut

The next one is even worse.

310 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 2:26:48am

re: #309 Sergey Romanov

The next one is even worse.

Anyone who claims to 'understand Islam perfectly' needs to be laughed at.

311 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 2:27:59am

re: #310 Obdicut

Anyone who claims to 'understand Islam perfectly' needs to be laughed at.

Yes, but at least one can be aware of all internet traditions.

312 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 2:31:00am

re: #311 Sergey Romanov

It is kind of funny. Back when Reagan and others on the right in the US were making deals with the devil, it was pretty much only the left in the US that was concerned about the terrible human rights records of Islamic countries. It's still fascinating to me how quickly the 'right' was able to cloak themselves in this holy warrior aspect, as though it had always been their position.

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 2:32:40am

re: #312 Obdicut

Look no further than them turning blind eye on Newt's sins. They have this magic morality switch.

314 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 2:46:14am

re: #313 Sergey Romanov

The current choices for president for the Protestant Evangelicals in the US are Santorum-- a Catholic, Romney-- a Mormon, Newt --a Catholic who is currently living in sin since the Catholic church wouldn't recognize either of his first marriages, and Obama-- a Congregationalist protestant who is part of the United Church of Christ, a Protestant church with highly liberal social views that does a lot of evangelizing.

In 2001, Hartford Institute for Religion Research did a "Faith Communities Today" (FACT) study that included a survey of United Church of Christ beliefs. Among the results of this were findings that in the UCC, 5.6% of the churches responding to the survey described their members as "very liberal or progressive," 3.4% as "very conservative," 22.4% as "somewhat liberal or progressive," and 23.6% as "somewhat conservative." Those results suggested a nearly equal balance between liberal and conservative congregations. The self-described "moderate" group, however, was the largest at 45%. Other statistics found by the Hartford Institute show that 53.2% of members say "the Bible" is the highest source of authority, 16.1% say the "Holy Spirit," 9.2% say "Reason," 6.3% say "Experience," and 6.1% say "Creeds."

Of all of them, the person who is closest in religion to Evangelicals is Obama. The main difference between Evangelicals and UCC is political views on social issues.

I still half-expect Romney to get born-again during the campaign.

315 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 2:48:41am

re: #314 Obdicut

President Obama is much more "conservative" (by some traditional meanings of that word) than most of the wingnut crowd are ever willing to admit.

316 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 2:48:57am
MP3 Audio
317 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 3:06:26am

re: #315 freetoken

He is. Obama is pretty much the model of what a conservative should be. He's cautious to the point of frustration, consensus-building, seeks expert opinions, etc. And as a person, he's a model of conservative values, coming from a broken home but having a very, very stable marriage and family life.

318 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 3:15:53am

For those needing help with your insomnia, I've put up a Page that touches on economics:
Will the Tea Party GOP Get Even Crazier? The Return of late 1800's Economics into 21st Century Geopolitics

Sadly I can't get the MP3 to embed - the hamsters are inserting spaces in the URL.

319 palomino  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 3:20:08am

re: #317 Obdicut

You guys are dead on here. The big Republican lie is that Obama is some sort of hard line fiery radical. Nothing over the last 3 years backs that up, but it's been the dominant RW talking point ever since he announced 5 years ago. And for way too many people, the facts on the ground mean nothing once the image has been planted and accepted. To them, all disconfirming evidence (ie, Obama's entire substantive record) gets ignored.

320 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 3:21:28am

See, it embeds here:

MP3 Audio

But not in the Page... even when I put it on another server by a much shorter name. The Page software just doesn't like it.

321 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 3:23:01am

re: #319 palomino

Yeah. One clown here at LGF even accused Newsweek of "far left bias" due to them publishing a pro-Obama defence. Me? I think it shows their blatant centrist bias.

half-/

322 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 3:23:35am

re: #320 freetoken

See, it embeds here:

[Video]But not in the Page... even when I put it on another server by a much shorter name. The Page software just doesn't like it.

Charles forgot to change the code for the pages, I think.

323 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 3:24:18am
Dung beetles dance on top of balls of poo to help them navigate away from rivals as fast as possible, scientists find.

[Link: www.livescience.com...]

324 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 3:26:38am

re: #322 Sergey Romanov

Well, I don't know what is going on. I've put MP3s in Pages before. I even tried copy and pasting the embed code from my comment #320... still won't work. Shorter names don't work. I was able to add a bit.ly link to a word, that links to the mp3. Sigh...

325 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 3:46:12am

Burial of 4 soldiers and 1 meme:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

'Quick morning driveby--we're roofing the Habitat house today.

326 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 3:56:12am
MP3 Audio
327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:29:55am

I said to my wife one night -- I was in bed, reading something about the boys in a magazine -- and I said, "Honey, we've been married 35 years now. Did you ever, in your wildest dreams, think you and I would have children that would do these amazing things?"

And she said, "Archie, very seldom are you in my wildest dreams."

-Archie Manning

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:41:44am

A tumbleweed just blew across the LGF Superhighway.

329 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:44:15am

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A tumbleweed just blew across the LGF Superhighway.

That's like...deep man.

330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:45:53am

re: #329 rwdflynavy

That's like...deep man.

I don't know why I even said that... My job requires the absence of my presence, also.

331 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:46:42am

Some early am metal:

Youtube Video
332 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:01:00am

re: #331 Shropshire_Slasher

Some early am metal:

[Video]

More early am metal

Image: metals1auqik3.jpg

333 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:01:35am

re: #330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't know why I even said that... My job requires the absence of my presence, also.

so do we!!!
/

334 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:03:18am

re: #332 sattv4u2

Oooh!
So round and firm! So fully packed!

335 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:03:23am

re: #321 Sergey Romanov

Centrist ideologues!

336 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:07:10am

[Link: www.dorkly.com...]

337 Shropshire_Slasher  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:16:21am

Coffee, tea or me:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I know times are tough, but I thought mainly couples went to B&B's?!

338 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:18:47am

re: #337 Shropshire_Slasher

Coffee, tea or me:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I know times are tough, but I thought mainly couples went to B&B's?!

Guess there were no "Turn Down" services there!

They should change the name from The Inn at Laurel Lake to The Inn at the Happy Ending!

339 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:21:07am

and on that note, the long quiet (and wet) drive to work beckons

340 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:27:03am

Morning Honcos. My brother's GF has been in labor for 21 hours and she still takes the time to post on FB. unfuckingreal!!!!

341 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:31:07am

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I said to my wife one night -- I was in bed, reading something about the boys in a magazine -- and I said, "Honey, we've been married 35 years now. Did you ever, in your wildest dreams, think you and I would have children that would do these amazing things?"

And she said, "Archie, very seldom are you in my wildest dreams."

-Archie Manning

I'd say "Ouch!" but it does fit. He's not a 'wildest dreams' kind of man, more in the 'decent, loyal, and omnicompetent' category.

342 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:48:31am

Flaming Tampons Attack On Car: Pennsylvania Police Arrest Quentin And Patricia Deshong
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Heh.

343 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:14:03am

Saw a big honking "LGF" on the movie I rented this morning. My first thought was not "Lionsgate Films."

344 McSpiff  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:18:48am

re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos. My brother's GF has been in labor for 21 hours and she still takes the time to post on FB. unfuckingreal!!!

When Mom and baby are fine, remind me about this. Reminds me of an article I've read, but it wouldn't be appropriate quite yet.

345 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:24:00am

re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos. My brother's GF has been in labor for 21 hours and she still takes the time to post on FB. unfuckingreal!!!

Girl posted on Facebook during hostage crisis

A 12-year-old girl whose mother shot and critically wounded her before killing herself made several cryptic posts on Facebook during a nearly seven-hour hostage ordeal at the Texas Department of Health and Human Services office in Laredo.

"May die 2day," Ramie Marie Grimmer wrote on Facebook at 7:50 p.m. during the Monday night standoff.

"i'm here for you guys. No reason to be afraid," Nancy Harrop, who the girl listed as her grandmother, replied.

"Im bored," came at 10:34 p.m.

Eighteen minutes later: "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahhhhhhhh."

And finally, at 11:28 p.m.: "tear gas ..."

Sadly, not The Onion.

346 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:24:53am

Morning all!

today's quota of awwwwwww!

How is everyone?

347 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:26:47am

re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos. My brother's GF has been in labor for 21 hours and she still takes the time to post on FB. unfuckingreal!!!

You've never been in labor, so keep your thoughts to yourself.

348 Petero1818  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:31:27am

re: #347 ggt

You've never been in labor, so keep your thoughts to yourself.

My wife was corresponding with clients while she was in labor. I finally took her blackberry from her at some point.

349 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:49:20am

re: #340 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #347 ggt

You've never been in labor, so keep your thoughts to yourself.

I've been trying to tell him to keep his thoughts to himself about EVERYTHING !!!

/

350 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:52:55am

ah, gotta go,

Have a great one all!

351 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:55:44am

re: #350 ggt

ah, gotta go,

Have a great one all!

shovel in hand??

352 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:04:15am

Atheist Indonesian in protective custody after being beaten by mob

The atheist identified as Alexander, who goes by just one name, now faces five years imprisonment for blasphemy after police officially arrested and charged him on Friday.

The Indonesian Council of Ulema, the Islamic religious authority, reported him over his remarks on a Facebook page he moderated which said: "God does not exist" Mr Alexander, 31, turned up at his government planning offices in Dharmasraya, western Sumatra, on Wednesday to be confronted by a group of men who beat him and then took him to the police.
Born a Muslim, Mr Alexander ceased religious activities in 2008 saying he did not believe in God because of all the crime in the world and the number of natural disasters that befell mankind.

"If God exists, why do bad things happen?" he asked. "There should only be good things if God is merciful." The police chief for Dharmasraya, Senior Commander Chairul Aziz, said the 'ulema' and other religious authorities believed Mr Alexander had defiled Islam by using passages from the Koran to denounce God.

Under the Indonesian criminal code blasphemy is defined as publicly expressing feelings or taking some action that spreads hatred, abuse or taints a religion in a way it would cause someone to disbelieve any of the country's six official religions.

Fucking assholes.

353 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:08:33am

re: #347 ggt

You've never been in labor, so keep your thoughts to yourself.

I've never believed in god so I'll shut up about religion.

I've never been in the military so I'll shut up about military issues.

I've never been in government so I won't vote.

354 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:12:10am

re: #353 BigPapa

I've never believed in god so I'll shut up about religion.

I've never been in the military so I'll shut up about military issues.

I've never been in government so I won't vote.

You;ll still be able comment about pineapple pizza, so there is that!

355 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:18:30am

Misleading Claims in Obama’s First 2012 Spot

President Obama’s first 2012 campaign ad misleads on ethics, “clean-energy” jobs and U.S. dependence on oil imports.

The spot uses outdated quotes from groups that said his record on ethics is “unprecedented” and that he “kept a promise to toughen ethics rules.” Those same groups said later that he “has let down millions of Americans who accepted his word” and rated his promise as “broken.”
The 30-second TV spot also trumpets a claim of “2.7 million jobs” in “America’s clean-energy industry.” That mostly counts jobs put in place long before Obama took office.
Finally, it boasts that U.S. dependence on foreign oil has declined to below 50 percent, as a net share of total demand, for the first time in more than a decade. That’s true, and increasing U.S. oil production is a factor (despite Republican criticisms that Obama is anti-drilling). But economists say the chief factor is reduced oil consumption, brought on by the recent economic recession.

356 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:21:03am

American kidnapped by gunmen in Somalia

Gunmen kidnapped an American man in the northern Somali town of Galkayo on Saturday, officials said.
The gunmen surrounded the man's car shortly after the man left the airport, said policeman Abdi Hassan Nur, who witnessed the incident, The Associated Press reported. He said they then forced the American into another vehicle.
Local government officials said they believed the assailants had been the man's own guards and might be linked to a pirate gang.

357 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:24:48am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

It's just going to get worse as we get closer to November
(and I'm pointing to both sides here)

358 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:27:30am

re: #357 sattv4u2

It's just going to get worse as we get closer to November
(and I'm pointing to both sides here)

I do expect more from Obama than the Republicans but I think it's important to keep everybody on their toes.

359 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:30:03am

re: #342 Cannadian Club Akbar

Flaming Tampons Attack On Car: Pennsylvania Police Arrest Quentin And Patricia Deshong
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Heh.

Ford Fusion - I'd burn it too. But I wouldn't befriend her...even on facebook.

360 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:31:24am

I'm anxiously waiting for the hardware store to open. The greenhouse installation was a bit sloppy and I need some weather stripping. It seems silly to pay for all the high tech insulated glass and leave gaps between the greenhouse and the foundation. Not a big problem but it's frustrating that they didn't take enough care to seal up all the gaps.

361 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:32:48am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

I'm anxiously waiting for the hardware store to open. The greenhouse installation was a bit sloppy and I need some weather stripping. It seems silly to pay for all the high tech insulated glass and leave gaps between the greenhouse and the foundation. Not a big problem but it's frustrating that they didn't take enough care to seal up all the gaps.

You'll want those gaps in the floor when the weather starts to pick up.

362 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:33:33am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

I'm anxiously waiting for the hardware store to open. The greenhouse installation was a bit sloppy and I need some weather stripping. It seems silly to pay for all the high tech insulated glass and leave gaps between the greenhouse and the foundation. Not a big problem but it's frustrating that they didn't take enough care to seal up all the gaps.

is it completed?....maybe they haven't gotten to it yet

363 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:33:53am

re: #360 Killgore Trout

I'm anxiously waiting for the hardware store to open. The greenhouse installation was a bit sloppy and I need some weather stripping. It seems silly to pay for all the high tech insulated glass and leave gaps between the greenhouse and the foundation. Not a big problem but it's frustrating that they didn't take enough care to seal up all the gaps.

Your'e going to want some ventilation/ circulation, no ?

364 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:37:54am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Shhh! We are supposed to ignore all that until he is re-elected. An evil Republican might win otherwise.
///

Heck yeah keep then on their toes. We should all understand the strength and flaws in those we vote.

365 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:39:40am

re: #259 Slumbering Behemoth

Now I'm cornfused. I thought PLL was a hetero female.

Dude. Next thing you'll say you thought I was a mafia boss from Kyrghyzstan. //

366 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:41:08am

re: #364 Rightwingconspirator

Shhh! We are supposed to ignore all that until he is re-elected. An evil Republican might win otherwise.
///

do we all get TWO Unicorns this time?

367 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:43:09am

re: #362 albusteve

is it completed?...maybe they haven't gotten to it yet

Nope, they're done. It's completely installed.

368 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:46:09am

re: #363 sattv4u2

Your'e going to want some ventilation/ circulation, no ?

That's part of the problem. The ventilation needs controlled not just dependent on how cold, windy or hot is is outside. It doesn't make sense to run a heating duct into the greenhouse to compensate for drafts and air leaks to the outside.

369 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:47:05am

re: #364 Rightwingconspirator

Shhh! We are supposed to ignore all that until he is re-elected. An evil Republican might win otherwise.
///

Heck yeah keep then on their toes. We should all understand the strength and flaws in those we vote.

I haven't gone through and checked their claims but fact check is usually pretty accurate.

370 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:47:39am

Wired has a great piece on famous image photographers. Ever seen the guy who shot the famous Tank Man at Tienanmen? This is a series of these very people posing with a print of their most famous image. I just love the ballerina shot, given the look of the photog. Opposites are quite attractive!

Paged.

371 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:50:39am

re: #369 Killgore Trout

That's why I was disappointed at the anger here at Politifact over the spectacularly successful lies about S/S by the Dems. Somehow nobody wanted to acknowledge the very similar conclusion at Factcheck.

I came to the conclusion it was the pro Dem/anti GOP bias (deserved or not) at work.

372 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:51:37am

re: #368 Killgore Trout

I don't know anything about greenhouses but when a commercial building is finished they seal every seam on the exterior. You might want to call a local sealant company and see if they sell any products. It might be a lot quicker and easier than using weather stripping.

373 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:53:34am

Flaming tampon.

374 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:54:33am

re: #357 sattv4u2

It's just going to get worse as we get closer to November
(and I'm pointing to both sides here)

I admit I want to make an unfair ad, myself.

Open, black screen. Add quote:
"We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes. -- Leona Helmsley"

Fade all but "Only the little people pay taxes.", emphasize by increase in point size.

Cut to Romney's tax statement:
“What’s the effective rate I’ve been paying? It’s probably closer to the 15 percent rate than anything. My last 10 years, I’ve — my income comes overwhelmingly from investments made in the past rather than ordinary income or rather than earned annual income. I got a little bit of income from my book, but I gave that all away. And then I get speaker’s fees from time to time, but not very much.”

Cut to black, whitetext: The average income tax for Americans is 27%.
Open window, play: "What's the effective rate I've been paying? It's probably closer to the 15% than anything."
freeze 2 beats.

Cut to black for one beat.
Open window, play: "I got a little bit of income from my book, but I gave that all away." freeze.
Text. "Over $100,000 in royalties from book sales is a little bit of income."
footnote text. "standard royalty of $1 per book, over 106,000 sold by Amazon."

Cut to black for one beat.

Open window, play "I get speaker’s fees from time to time, but not very much." freeze.
Text. "$346,000 reported income from speaker's fees is not very much."
(maybe footnote text: 2011 candidate income report)

Cut to black for one beat.

Simultaneous Picture Audio Text:
Picture: Baen leadership with money. Gradual crop to just Romney in the center.
Audio: "It's probably closer to 15%." cut "I got a little bit of income from my book" cut "I get speaker’s fees from time to time, but not very much."
Text: fade in "Only the little people pay taxes."
Hold.
Cut.

375 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:57:17am

Urban Dictionary Word of the Day:

Congressional Review

To loosely read or breeze through a document, likely missing a fair amount of the information contained within.

How tough will the upgrade be?
I'm not too sure, I only gave the guide a Congressional Review.

376 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:58:31am

My brother just called to tell me one of his close buddies was on the helicopter that went down yesterday. That's two in two years.

The taliban is taking credit but it's an old aircraft. I believe it was the last unit with those 12 years ago and they're still using them. They were supossed to come back in a month:

[Link: www.desmoinesregister.com...]

The U.S. military had not confirmed Riddick’s death by Friday evening. The Vietnam War-era CH-53D helicopter crash killed six Hawaii-based Marines in the southern Helmand province, according to the Associated Press. The cause is still being investigated, but a coalition statement said there was no enemy activity in the area at the time of the crash. German Brig. Gen. Carsten Jacobson, a spokesman for the NATO coalition in Kabul, said officials were looking at a “technical fault” as the possible culprit.

377 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:00:11am

re: #374 kirkspencer

Leona Helmsley hadn't paid the taxes she legally owed. Romney paid the taxes that he legally owed. If we don't like the capital gains tax rate, we need to change that. I don't have a problem with rich people giving away $100,000. More of them should do that.

378 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:00:36am

re: #371 Rightwingconspirator

That's why I was disappointed at the anger here at Politifact over the spectacularly successful lies about S/S by the Dems. Somehow nobody wanted to acknowledge the very similar conclusion at Factcheck.

I came to the conclusion it was the pro Dem/anti GOP bias (deserved or not) at work.

Obviously, there is a center-left bias at LGF. That's not even a question. As for ads, I'm not sure if there ever was a 100% truthful political ad. Obama's 2008 ads weren't always fair either. However there should be some sort of a new indicator - something like a lie density. Everybody lies, but the amounts and kinds of lies are different.

Then there is a phenomenon of MBF bias among watchdogs. To appear neutral sometimes they virtually equate the untruthfulness of all sides, and sometimes they're caught stating incorrect criticisms that might have been driven by this bias.

379 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:00:43am

re: #377 EmmmieG

Oh ,, you and your calm logic!!!

380 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:01:03am

re: #374 kirkspencer

I'll admit I dislike the bias against capitol gains income instead of salary or commissions. The hypocrisy of hating on a kind of income we should all aspire to for the security of our families is glaring. Heck Obamas own commission endorsed lower capitol gains tax rates.

Arrogance in unwelcome from anyone at anytime. Athletic, artistic or financial.

381 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:01:58am

re: #377 EmmmieG

Leona Helmsley hadn't paid the taxes she legally owed. Romney paid the taxes that he legally owed. If we don't like the capital gains tax rate, we need to change that. I don't have a problem with rich people giving away $100,000. More of them should do that.

I specifically said it was an unfair ad I wanted to make. If you want some more unfairness, that infamous quote isn't a quote. It's what a housekeeper claimed Helmsley said in response to "wow, you must pay a lot of taxes."

Nonetheless, I am tempted to make it.

382 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:02:42am

re: #381 kirkspencer

I specifically said it was an unfair ad I wanted to make. If you want some more unfairness, that infamous quote isn't a quote. It's what a housekeeper claimed Helmsley said in response to "wow, you must pay a lot of taxes."

Nonetheless, I am tempted to make it.

It is, however, one of the most memorable quotes of that decade.

383 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:02:58am

re: #378 Sergey Romanov

- something like a lie density.

Great points. And that phrase is a keeper.

384 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:04:30am

Mitt Romney is 64, turning 65 soon. I wonder how many retirees have a lot of capital gains income? Not that he's retiring, I'm just noting the age.

One of the dance instructors at my son's studio is in her 70's. She's been teaching since she was 14. The other day she wore leggings for dance class, and I realized she has the legs I wish I had.

385 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:05:04am

re: #380 Rightwingconspirator

I'll admit I dislike the bias against capitol gains income instead of salary or commissions. The hypocrisy of hating on a kind of income we should all aspire to for the security of our families is glaring. Heck Obamas own commission endorsed lower capitol gains tax rates.

Arrogance in unwelcome from anyone at anytime. Athletic, artistic or financial.

bias against capital gains income? It's taxed for less than any other income, I'd say the bias runs the other way.

Personally, I think capital gains should be taxed in the same way as other income. It already gets the "break" of getting to count ALL expenses in obtaining the gains. All other incomes have restrictions on types and quantities of expenses that can be counted.

386 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:07:16am

re: #385 kirkspencer

bias against capital gains income? It's taxed for less than any other income, I'd say the bias runs the other way.

Personally, I think capital gains should be taxed in the same way as other income. It already gets the "break" of getting to count ALL expenses in obtaining the gains. All other incomes have restrictions on types and quantities of expenses that can be counted.

Tax prep expenses and medical expenses are only counted after a certain threshold. There are FSA's, but believe me those are a pain.

387 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:09:26am

Speaking of Spooner, the guy was a hoot. Started as a publisher of Deist pamphlets (against Biblical miracles, for example) and ended up being an apparent anarchist who apparently thought that Constitution doesnt't mean much anyway, as so does any other legislation (not binding, etc.). Then he became a member of the First International.

388 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:09:59am

re: #378 Sergey Romanov

Then there is a phenomenon of MBF bias among watchdogs.

MBF?

389 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:12:29am

re: #388 negativ

MBF?

Magical Balance Fairy. For every infraction on one side, we must find one on the other side.

390 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:13:21am

re: #388 negativ

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

391 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:15:38am

re: #386 EmmmieG

Tax prep expenses and medical expenses are only counted after a certain threshold. There are FSA's, but believe me those are a pain.

Which is my point.

hmm. reminder. I'm the guy who pushes the "simple tax." All revenue counts as income. All expenses OR 200% of the FPL can be deducted to determine net income. 50% tax on net income.

392 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:15:41am

re: #385 kirkspencer

The tax rate bias if you want to call it that is lower for cap gains, but I refer to the emotional bias. Plus, the way we start to even have cap gains is by saving already heavily taxed salary cash. If we call cap gains tax rates light, it's fair to call salary tax rates heavy.

Perhaps the lower cap gains rate is healthy just because it encourages us to invest in our economy via stocks and bonds. That is not just a good thing, it is essential. Like anything it can be abused, which should be regulated and called out.

393 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:17:43am

re: #391 kirkspencer

Which is my point.

hmm. reminder. I'm the guy who pushes the "simple tax." All revenue counts as income. All expenses OR 200% of the FPL can be deducted to determine net income. 50% tax on net income.

All expenses? What kind of expenses? What is FPL?

394 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:20:36am

re: #392 Rightwingconspirator

The tax rate bias if you want to call it that is lower for cap gains, but I refer to the emotional bias. Plus, the way we start to even have cap gains is by saving already heavily taxed salary cash. If we call cap gains tax rates light, it's fair to call salary tax rates heavy.

Perhaps the lower cap gains rate is healthy just because it encourages us to invest in our economy via stocks and bonds. That is not just a good thing, it is essential. Like anything it can be abused, which should be regulated and called out.

You're right about the emotional bias. Your argument about the rate being a good thing is usually used. However, it's not essential. Or rather, a special rate to encourage it is not essential. The people who can afford to invest significantly do so because investment brings more wealth than savings. The people who can't afford to invest wouldn't do so if the tax rate was zero.

The net effect of a lower capital gains tax is to exacerbate the wealth divide. Those who have are rewarded with lower burdens.

395 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:20:52am

re: #392 Rightwingconspirator

I need to create a puppet so I can upding you (and Emmie) again!

396 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:21:44am

re: #394 kirkspencer

The people who can afford to invest significantly do so because investment brings more wealth than savings.

As well as more risk

397 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:21:49am

re: #389 EmmmieG

The hazard with the "MBF" is it gets over applied. Indy (Indie?) voters see no magic, observe little balance and have no interest in fairies. They do have an interest is observing the flaws in candidates without a partisan burden of false often undeserved loyalty.

Perhaps it is a far more appropriate phrase among partisans.

398 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:22:23am

Ha! I see that the Ron Paul fan who uploaded the Dixie flag video has now added an annotation saying, "THIS VIDEO IS NOT PROOF THAT RON PAUL IS A RACIST!"

What it is proof of -- that Ron Paul fans are exactly like a cult, and will deny reality even when it's staring them right in the face.

399 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:23:10am

re: #393 EmmmieG

All expenses? What kind of expenses? What is FPL?

Good question. i don't know what you mean by fpl. I'll hold a response till you answer.

GAAAH, (headbang for being idiot)

Federal Poverty Level.

400 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:23:13am

Oh wait -- now they've deleted the video. Time to re-upload my copy.

401 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:23:54am

re: #399 kirkspencer

Good question. i don't know what you mean by fpl. I'll hold a response till you answer.

"FPL" was in your 391

402 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:24:51am

re: #394 kirkspencer

Then why did a recent commission suggest rates to be lowered a bit to reflect international reality on these rates? (LA Times link) If you look at the proposals it's a fine tuning not a big break. We do want to attract international investors too. Our economy needs the cash.

By essential I meant the investments in stocks and bonds, not the rates as is. Sorry I was not clear.

403 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:25:11am

re: #374 kirkspencer

$346,000 reported income from speaker's fees

I don't mind that Romney has been successful, but having seen his debate performances, I wonder what value his audience is receiving when he gets paid to speak.

404 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:26:29am

re: #396 sattv4u2


The people who can afford to invest significantly do so because investment brings more wealth than savings.

As well as more risk

No.

sigh, that's not completely accurate.

It brings more risk ONLY on the portion to be risked.

So a person who earns 200,000 and puts 50,000 into an investment is ONLY risking 50,000. Yes, it's 25% of his income, but he's still keeping 3 times the median household income "safe".

405 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:27:24am

re: #403 jaunte

I don't mind that Romney has been successful, but having seen his debate performances, I wonder what value his audience the person paying him is receiving when he gets paid to speak.

Fixed it to indicate what I wonder.

406 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:27:26am

News Team Not Allowed to Film in Courtroom; Turns to Puppetry Instead
[Link: www.loweringthebar.net...]

I guess if they aren't going to allow cameras in the courtroom -- and sketches are just too boring -- the only alternative is to reenact the day's testimony using hand puppets.

That's what Channel 19 in Akron, Ohio, is doing, in connection with the corruption trial of a former county commissioner.

Youtube Video
407 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:27:27am

re: #402 Rightwingconspirator

Then why did a recent commission suggest rates to be lowered a bit to reflect international reality on these rates? (LA Times link) If you look at the proposals it's a fine tuning not a big break. We do want to attract international investors too. Our economy needs the cash.

By essential I meant the investments in stocks and bonds, not the rates as is. Sorry I was not clear.

Link correction, please? That's to the famous photographer link - a good link, by the way.

408 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:28:48am

re: #396 sattv4u2

Well I would add that leaving your income as salary only and just banking your cash is very risky. Ask anyone that lost a house after a layoff. It makes sense to invest if you possibly can. You become less dependent on that day job.

409 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:28:52am

re: #404 kirkspencer

No.

sigh, that's not completely accurate.

It brings more risk ONLY on the portion to be risked.

So a person who earns 200,000 and puts 50,000 into an investment is ONLY risking 50,000. Yes, it's 25% of his income, but he's still keeping 3 times the median household income "safe".

But that 200K has already been taxed (and taxed before "he" got it as a "gain")

So now he's taking the 50K of twice taxed monies with no guarantee of making more off of it

410 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:30:12am

re: #407 kirkspencer

Oh darn it sorry! Here ya go.

www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-white-house-jobs-council-plan-20120117,0,4137969.story

Something is wrong I gotta reboot BRB

411 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:33:27am

re: #403 jaunte

I don't mind that Romney has been successful, but having seen his debate performances, I wonder what value his audience is receiving when he gets paid to speak.

Prolly depends on what he's speaking about

If he's giving a lecture on quantum physics, probably not much value per dollar

If he's giving a lecture on life as a Mormon family,, prolly more bang for the buck

412 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:35:00am

re: #409 sattv4u2

But that 200K has already been taxed (and taxed before "he" got it as a "gain")

So now he's taking the 50K of twice taxed monies with no guarantee of making more off of it

Oh, no, not the "twice taxed" crap. //

Worse, you didn't even do it right, neither by my simple tax nor by capital gains argument.

Assume Mr. A earns 200,000, which is taxed. For simplicity he's going toget that for the next three years. He takes 50,000 and buys stock in xyz.

2 years later he sells the xyz. Two options here for modeling: it became worth zero; it doubled.

It zeroed. Mr. A gets to apply the 50,000 loss to his income to his Y2 income, essentially making 50,000 untaxed (and countering the year zero tax paid).

It doubled. Mr. A gets taxed on 50,000 (100,000 received minus 50,000 cost).

So that double tax risk? It's not there. His net risk was zero, and his reward was taxed at a lower rate.

413 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:35:17am

gah - sorry, gotta go walk dogs. Will return to continue.

414 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:37:17am

re: #411 sattv4u2

I guess it's all part of life as a business/celebrity/politician.

415 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:38:12am

re: #413 kirkspencer

gah - sorry, gotta go walk dogs. Will return to continue.

Good idea...gota break in the rain here...

416 palomino  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:38:18am

re: #371 Rightwingconspirator

That's why I was disappointed at the anger here at Politifact over the spectacularly successful lies about S/S by the Dems. Somehow nobody wanted to acknowledge the very similar conclusion at Factcheck.

I came to the conclusion it was the pro Dem/anti GOP bias (deserved or not) at work.

The anger directed at Politifact was over the claim by Dems that the gop wanted "to end Medicare as we know it." Since the GOP essentially wanted to change Medicare to a very different type of program in which seniors would pay more, then it's fair to say Medicare "as we know it" would be terminated by the gop.

417 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:39:02am

re: #413 kirkspencer

Nice chat see ya next time.

418 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:40:15am

We may not all agree with their tactics or like all the individuals involved but you have to admit, Operation "Donkey Punch" is the best name ever.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Anonymous hackers are devising a new attack against Democratic members of Congress who are still endorsing the SOPA legislation. The operation’s name: Donkey Punch.

419 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:42:57am

re: #418 RogueOne

We may not all agree with their tactics or like all the individuals involved but you have to admit, Operation "Donkey Punch" is the best name ever.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Donkeys don't punch, they kick.

I've been kicked by a donkey...

420 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:43:26am

re: #416 palomino

I recall that whole thing pretty well.

If only the kerfuffle could be condensed to that one phrase. It should not. And that is why the two big fact check sites were in agreement that was a huge lie, led to electoral victory for the Dem candidate. One of them called it the lie of the year, the other had it on the whopper list. They were correct IMO.

The Dems clearly implied it would impact people that retired long ago. That was the facet that was overlooked by many at the time here. Everyone focused on the facts of the proposed changes that would kick in up the road.

421 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:48:49am

re: #418 RogueOne

Barrett Brown, the Dallas-based founder of an online think tank that works with Anonymous, confirmed in a phone interview that Anonymous took down the Web sites

heh!

422 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:50:29am

re: #419 wrenchwench

Donkeys don't punch, they kick.

I've been kicked by a donkey...

At the voting booth or the convention? Just kiddin' that must have really hurt. Broken bones?

423 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:50:32am

re: #421 sattv4u2

Barrett Brown, the Dallas-based founder of an online think tank that works with Anonymous, confirmed in a phone interview that Anonymous took down the Web sites

heh!

OK, I'll bite. Why he has not been summonned anywhere for as much as an interrogation? (I don't ask because I have a personal ill will to Brown. I'm genuinely curious.)

424 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:50:33am

re: #419 wrenchwench

If you didn't know it's horribly misogynist and violent sexual slang/joke. I'd bet the articles author didn't know what it meant. I'm hoping one of the cable news shows will put together a flashy Operation Donkey Punch graphic and use it continually over the weekend. It would be perfect for the Daily Show.

425 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:51:06am

re: #423 Sergey Romanov

OK, I'll bite. Why he has not been summonned anywhere for as much as an interrogation? (I don't ask because I have a personal ill will to Brown. I'm genuinely curious.)

They're playing with some serious fire.

426 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:51:47am

re: #423 Sergey Romanov

OK, I'll bite. Why he has not been summonned anywhere for as much as an interrogation? (I don't ask because I have a personal ill will to Brown. I'm genuinely curious.)

I
have
no
idea

And how blatant he is about it ,,

427 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:52:44am

re: #424 RogueOne

If you didn't know it's horribly misogynist and violent sexual slang/joke. I'd bet the articles author didn't know what it meant. I'm hoping one of the cable news shows will put together a flashy Operation Donkey Punch graphic and use it continually over the weekend. It would be perfect for the Daily Show.

Nope, I did not know...another one soars over my head.

I liked the puppet trial reenactment. They even had a puppet for each juror!

428 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:52:56am

re: #423 Sergey Romanov

re: #425 RogueOne

The only thing I can come up with is that the Feds are building a HUGE dragnet and if they "bring in" one now they may fear that the others will only burrow deeper

429 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:53:01am

re: #426 sattv4u2

Well, yeah, it might not be "self-incrimination" yet, but it sure is a confession to close ties to illegal activities.

430 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:53:26am

re: #428 sattv4u2

Maybe. Or is Brown a govt agent? ///

/
/
/

431 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:54:02am

re: #427 wrenchwench

Nope, I did not know...another one soars over my head.

I liked the puppet trial reenactment. They even had a puppet for each juror!

I thought it was pretty brilliant. If I lived in that town it would make me watch.

432 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:58:01am

Ron Paul cult members are already hitting the "dislike" button on my newly uploaded Confederate flag video. They're busy little beavers.

433 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:58:46am

I know it's stupid that I found Dorkly only now. But I can't stop until I watch everything.

[Link: www.dorkly.com...]

[Link: www.dorkly.com...]

434 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:01:36am

re: #432 Charles

I like this one:

Did he really give a speech with a Confederate Flag in the background, or was that photo-shopped in?
FightCensorship102

Magic!

435 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:02:11am

Oh OK, the last one.

[Link: www.dorkly.com...]

436 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:03:22am

Late catching up on that video.

Unbelieveafuckngble.

Here is what he says:

The North used the war to "...literally, cancel out the whole concept of individual choice."

Because, you know, slavery was a vehicle for advancing "individual choice."

Unbelieveafuckingble.

437 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:05:30am

re: #430 Sergey Romanov

Maybe. Or is Brown a govt agent? ///

/
/
/


Brown, who said he is a former journalist working on a book about Anonymous, said Anonymous hackers are devising a new attack against Democratic members of Congress who are still endorsing the SOPA legislation

There's his 'out" to any ties!!

"But I'm just researching for a book"

438 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:09:12am

re: #410 Rightwingconspirator

Oh darn it sorry! Here ya go.

www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-white-house-jobs-council-plan-20120117,0,4137969.story

Something is wrong I gotta reboot BRB

Thanks. I see it's referencing an actual report from the Jobs Council. I've found that report and am taking the time to read it. Anyone who wants to do the same, here's the link. Comments after reading, and researching the council itself.

439 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:10:11am

re: #437 sattv4u2


Brown, who said he is a former journalist working on a book about Anonymous, said Anonymous hackers are devising a new attack against Democratic members of Congress who are still endorsing the SOPA legislation

There's his 'out" to any ties!!

"But I'm just researching for a book"

His last book never actually came out.

440 allegro  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:10:17am

re: #436 Talking Point Detective

Late catching up on that video.

Unbelieveafuckngble.

Here is what he says:

Because, you know, slavery was a vehicle for advancing "individual choice."

Unbelieveafuckingble.

It absolutely did do that, for actual, yanno, humans. These are defined as white heterosexual males. Everyone else? Not so much, like maybe 3/5ths or so. Women even less.

The world according to Ron Paul.

441 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:10:46am

re: #436 Talking Point Detective

Late catching up on that video.

Unbelieveafuckngble.

Here is what he says:

Because, you know, slavery was a vehicle for advancing "individual choice."

Oh, believe it.

Only white conservative bigots are supposed to have any choice in anything, according to these dumb confederates. Anything else goes against God's will. //

442 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:11:11am

re: #439 wrenchwench

His last book never actually came out.

Good. He wanted to insert this whole stupid "FSB blew up houses in 1999" conspiracy BS in there.

443 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:11:39am

re: #439 wrenchwench

His last book never actually came out.

Maybe he's waiting for when he gets released from prison!
/

444 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:14:23am

For those still following, the only capital gains tax recommendation made is that an existing exemption, one for equity purchased in qualified small businesses, be continued. They are not recommending an increase in capital gains taxes -- the LA Times article is incorrect.

445 palomino  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:15:06am

re: #420 Rightwingconspirator

I recall that whole thing pretty well.

If only the kerfuffle could be condensed to that one phrase. It should not. And that is why the two big fact check sites were in agreement that was a huge lie, led to electoral victory for the Dem candidate. One of them called it the lie of the year, the other had it on the whopper list. They were correct IMO.

The Dems clearly implied it would impact people that retired long ago. That was the facet that was overlooked by many at the time here. Everyone focused on the facts of the proposed changes that would kick in up the road.

We all know what Medicare is and how it works. If the program were to be radically altered in the future, then it would end "as we know it." Sure, both sides use scare tactics on entitlements, at the same time they at least pretend to want to cut them...anyway, this "big lie" was much ado about nothing.

446 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:21:19am

re: #441 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh, believe it.

Only white conservative bigots are supposed to have any choice in anything, according to these dumb confederates. Anything else goes against God's will. //

Honestly - I know that there are overt bigots out there, but I seriously have a hard time understanding how anyone who denies being a racist can argue that the North use the war to "...literally, cancel out the whole concept of individual choice."

The magnitude of selective reasoning required to come up with such a conclusion is astounding.

And here's the thing. I'm willing to consider the possibility that Paul isn't an overt racist - that he actually believes that the South was fighting the war in the name of individual choice. I'm not really sure which would be more offensive - that he could just be a hateful racist that's trying to cover over his bigotry, or that he's actually that capable of such god-awful reasoning.

447 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:28:23am

A followup on that report RightWingConspirator brought to my attention.

I found a section that makes me doubt its honesty - and it is where I think the LATimes pulled its remarks, as well. Not investment taxes, corporate taxes.

In a nutshell it points out the US has one of the highest top marginal rates on corporations in the OECD. It recommends the rates be cut to be competitive. The dishonest (to me) part? There is no mention that due to a number of loopholes the ACTUAL tax rate for corporations in the US is one of the lowest in the OECD. There's no mention of closing loopholes, and in fact throughout the document more loopholes are suggested.

Sorry, when the overarching message is "cut taxes, and make more loopholes in existing taxes", I can see why it's good for bidness. I can't see how it's good for America, not given the track record of bidness and taxes.

448 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:32:06am

re: #107 mumbly-joe

Welcome, hatchling.

449 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 10:50:48am

re: #448 wrenchwench

Welcome, hatchling.

There were a couple of new ones posting about 5 nights ago. Stealth open registration.

450 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 11:16:22am

re: #447 kirkspencer

A followup on that report RightWingConspirator brought to my attention.

I found a section that makes me doubt its honesty - and it is where I think the LATimes pulled its remarks, as well. Not investment taxes, corporate taxes.

In a nutshell it points out the US has one of the highest top marginal rates on corporations in the OECD. It recommends the rates be cut to be competitive. The dishonest (to me) part? There is no mention that due to a number of loopholes the ACTUAL tax rate for corporations in the US is one of the lowest in the OECD. There's no mention of closing loopholes, and in fact throughout the document more loopholes are suggested.

Sorry, when the overarching message is "cut taxes, and make more loopholes in existing taxes", I can see why it's good for bidness. I can't see how it's good for America, not given the track record of bidness and taxes.

Nice post.

451 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 1:33:37pm

re: #446 Talking Point Detective

Frankly, I don't give a shyt if Ron Paul or any of those assholes are "racists". I don't care if they think of themselves in those terms, and I'm not interested in tagging any one of them with that particular label.

They are white nationalists, white supremacists, and general bigoted, self-loathing conservatives who intend to second-class everyone but themselves, via the ways they have perfected over generations: law, economics, and violent social repression.

They can go shove off, how ever they self-identify. Reason and rationality has little to do with it, afaic.

452 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 12:43:01pm

re: #307 Sergey Romanov

BREAKING! DailyKos is an anti-Muslim site now!

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

///

(Well, according to the logic of some, the appearance of the diary above at DK makes it an anti-Muslim site. Whatever.)

Well, according to the logic of some, my continued presence here is for the sole purpose of employing taqiyya to trick you non-Muslims into thinking that most of us Muslims are just regular people like you rather than the bloodthirsty, Jew hating, jihadi loving, Islamic supremacists bent on taking over America that we really are. //

That diary is filled with the same stupid shit I've heard 1000 times, but it doesn't make DK an anti-Muslim site. Did someone say it did? Just curious as I didn't bother to read through all the comments.

Mr. Bell seems to be quite admiring of RS if this communication between them is for real (cache link to JW site). That speak volumes. His claim in the other diary that LW is a "Terrorist Spin Control Network" is absurd. But, hey, he's a filmmaker and radical Islam is a hot topic, right? Ka-ching!

453 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 12:46:40pm

re: #452 CuriousLurker

From time to time conservatives like to point to antisemitic diaries that have been posted to DK throughout the years (because anyone can post there). The implication is that DK is antisemitic. I'm waiting for the next such occurrence to test this link ;)

454 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 22, 2012 12:52:18pm

re: #453 Sergey Romanov

From time to time conservatives like to point to antisemitic diaries that have been posted to DK throughout the years (because anyone can post there). The implication is that DK is antisemitic. I'm waiting for the next such occurrence to test this link ;)

Ah, okay, now I see what you're getting at. Thanks. ;)


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