AZ Gov. Brewer Angrily Lectures President Obama

Disgraceful right wing behavior, par for the course
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Arizona Governor Jan Brewer’s book Scorpions for Breakfast is an exemplar of the right wing genre; i.e., incredibly disrespectful of the office of the Presidency. And yesterday, when he arrived in Arizona, President Obama let Brewer know that he wasn’t pleased with it: Jan Brewer: Obama ‘didn’t feel I treated him cordially’.

This AP picture says it all: the classic rude, angry wingnut stance, with bonus pointing finger. (Wingnut bloggers, of course, are cheering Brewer’s disgraceful behavior.)

President Obama, alighting from the stairs of Air Force One in Phoenix this afternoon, was greeted by Arizona Governor Jan Brewer, who handed him an envelope and the two exchanged what appeared to be some heated sentiments. At one point, she pointed her finger at him. …

“I said to him that I have all the respect in the world for the office of the president. The book is what the book is. I asked him if he read the book. He said he read the excerpt,” she said, according to a pool report. “He didn’t feel that I had treated him cordially. I said I was sorry he felt that way but I didn’t get my sentence finished. Anyway, we’re glad he’s here. I’ll regroup.” …

A White House official confirmed the invitation and described the encounter in more bureaucratic terms: “The President said he’d be glad to meet with her again, but did note that after their last meeting, a cordial discussion in the Oval Office, the governor inaccurately described the meeting in her book. The President looks forward to continuing taking steps to help Arizona’s economy grow.” …

The passage in Brewer’s book that the president was apparently referring to recounts a meeting at the White House when they discussed border security and immigration.

“It was [as] though President Obama thought he could lecture me, and I would learn at his knee,” she wrote, according to Capitol Media Services. “He thinks he can humor me and then get rid of me.”

UPDATE at 1/26/12 9:48:55 am

After this incident, Gov. Brewer went on right wing talk radio and called the President “thin-skinned,” then repeated the smear to the national wingnut audience on Fox News.

“He brought up my book. And he was a little tense. I asked him if he read my book, ‘Scorpions for Breakfast’ and he said he read the excerpt and he didn’t think that I was very cordial,” Brewer told radio host Mike Broomhead on KFYI radio. “He was somewhat thin-skinned and a little tense to say the least. I was trying to be very calm.”

“The book is factual, the book is true,” Brewer repeated on Fox’s Greta Van Susteren show. “I don’t know why he was surprised by my book but he evidently is and he’s very thin-skinned in regards to it.”

One of the people in the photo above does look calm, but it’s not Brewer.

UPDATE at 1/26/12 11:32:22 am

Gov. Brewer actually went even farther than this; talking to reporters, she said she “felt a little bit threatened.” Good grief.

Here’s video of the Arizona governor exploiting the right wing red meat potential of her close encounter with a black President to the fullest:

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226 comments
1 mikec6666  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:27:35am

Just when I thought my current home state couldn't sink any lower, it does! That woman is a disgrace.

2 ShaunP  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:29:45am

“He thinks he can humor me and then get rid of me.”

Wishful thinking?

3 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:32:53am

By the way, LGF commenters on Twitter should immediately block and report this stalker -- he's following a lot of you:

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4 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:34:45am

Thanks for saving me the time, I was just getting ready to Page this.

I watched the AP video. They show a long handshake, like they usually do for the press, but before it ended, the camera shot switches to the other side of the limo, and you can only see the tops of their heads. No smoke or flames.

5 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:36:43am

"The book is what the book is."

The stupid... it burns.

6 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:37:00am

She'll regroup? Did President Obama attack her? No. Did he insult her? No. Did he read her book? No, but he read what she wrote about him and said he didn't think she was being cordial. Her behavior on the tarmac proves he was right.

7 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:38:11am

Also in Brewer's book - numerous rants against Obama ending with the phrase: "Do your job!"

8 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:39:58am

re: #1 mikec6666

Just when I thought my current home state couldn't sink any lower, it does! That woman is a disgrace.

This is a time of year when I also get homesick for Arizona: the temps are just perfect, sunny and dry and 70-80°...

News like this help assuage my homesickness.

9 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40:42am

That kind of crap plays so well to the old white retired people in Phoenix

10 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:42:05am

The anger is strong is this one....

11 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:42:08am

re: #9 SpaceJesus

That kind of crap plays so well to the old white retired people in Phoenix

I think she's running for Vice President. Oddly enough, I haven't heard her name brought up by the Republican candidates.

12 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:43:55am

re: #11 wrenchwench

I think she's running for Vice President. Oddly enough, I haven't heard her name brought up by the Republican candidates.

Sharron Angle has as much chance of getting the VP nod as Jan Brewer does. Newt hates shrill women and Romney will take whoever Rove tells him to take.

13 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:45:43am
14 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:46:17am
15 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:49:48am
The book is what the book is. I asked him if he read the book. He said he read the excerpt,” she said, according to a pool report.

Brewer: Did you read my book?
Obama: Lady, I've got the Seals hunting down OBL and hostage-taking terrorists. I don't have time to read your crappy book.

I would certainly hope Obama isn't using any valuable presidential time reading Brewer's crayon scrawl.

16 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:50:43am

re: #14 MikeySDCA

As to

begging everyone's pardon, I prefer the Tibetan saying

"Respect for the office" trenches pretty close on lèse majesté, not entirely comfortably in a democracy.

I don't have a problem with 'respect for the office.'

It's just respect for the constitutional system that we have, and the fact that individuals in those offices have responsibilities. I respect the fact that they are attempting to fill those responsibilities. Until they aren't. Then we replace them.

As the shrill teacher on Dance Moms says, "Everybody's replaceable."

Also, and I'm sure you know this--we don't have a democracy, we have a republic.

17 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:52:07am

re: #15 Bulworth

Someone should ask her if she wrote the book.

18 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:52:42am

re: #14 MikeySDCA

As to

begging everyone's pardon, I prefer the Tibetan saying

"Respect for the office" trenches pretty close on lèse majesté, not entirely comfortably in a democracy.

"Respect for the office" means you don't yell and finger-point at the President in public, you don't yell "You lie!" at an SOTU speech, and a hundred other things wingnuts are fond of doing to Obama, but screamed bloody murder about when it was done to President Bush.

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:55:39am

re: #3 Charles

By the way, LGF commenters on Twitter should immediately block and report this stalker -- he's following a lot of you:

[Link: twitter.com...]

If you suddenly see someone with my nic following you, that is me.

I wouldn't bother following me. I have almost nothing to say on twitter. I'm just making sure I'm the one using my nic.

20 pinkbunny  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:56:51am

re: #6 darthstar

She'll regroup? Did President Obama attack her? No. Did he insult her? No. Did he read her book? No, but he read what she wrote about him and said he didn't think she was being cordial. Her behavior on the tarmac proves he was right.

Ironically, she's the one who is thin-skinned! She had to have a hissy fit and talk him into submission, just because he disagreed with factually with her stupid book! How dare a blackman disagree with an old white woman!

Most likely she was just drunk and couldn't help herself

21 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:01:01am

re: #3 Charles

By the way, LGF commenters on Twitter should immediately block and report this stalker -- he's following a lot of you:

[Link: twitter.com...]

What is wrong with that person / those people, seriously? I think the last time I saw anyone put that amount of energy into inconsequential ♫I'M GONNA TELL EVERYBODY WHAT YOU SAAAAIIIDD♫ buffoonery was when I was in 4th grade.

22 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:02:28am

I'll give Obama points for self-control. If I had been in his place I would have pasted her. You treat me right and I'll treat you right. Act like a douche and you'll suffer the consequences.

At which point the wingnuts would go, "See? See? Those lefties are all violent!"

Can't win for losing.

23 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:04:55am

re: #16 EmmmieGAlso, and I'm sure you know this--we don't have a democracy, we have a republic.

I've heard this many times. Could some one please explain the difference? I have trouble grasping the difference.

24 erik_t  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:05:00am

See, this is why you elect a good football-playing president like Ford, rather than a basketball player such as Obama.

Never has there been a more critical moment of need for a Stiff-Armer-In-Chief.

25 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:05:30am

This is part of why some idiots convince themselves Obama stole the election or isn't a US citizen or whatever: so they can pretend he's not really president so they don't have to show him any courtesy whatsoever.

26 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:05:36am

I know now why I get a strong whiff of deja vu when I watch today's right wingers: I taught seventh grade for a year back in the 80s.

This may also explain their obsession with FEMA camps and the like: They would naturally fear being sent to detention for their behavior.

POTUS= Principal of the United States?

27 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:07:07am

re: #22 Romantic Heretic

I'll give Obama points for self-control. If I had been in his place I would have pasted her.

Or just yell "GUN!"

28 Jimmi the Grey  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:07:46am

re: #14 MikeySDCA

"Respect for the office" trenches pretty close on lèse majesté, not entirely comfortably in a democracy.

Respect for the office means we have a Republican administration, Lese-majesty means we have a Democratic one.

This has been another episode of Wingnut Answers to Simple Concepts.

29 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08:28am

re: #20 pinkbunny

Most likely she was just drunk and couldn't help herself

That's a bit much. She holds an office deserving a bit of respect also.

30 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08:45am

re: #27 negativ

Or just yell "GUN!"

Oops...it was just a finger. Sorry about that tackle by my guys...don't worry...broken collar bones heal completely in a few months.

31 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08:47am

re: #21 negativ

One of the reasons I use Tweetdeck is for its Global Filter feature. You add a Twitter username to the filter, and then you simply never see that person's tweets at all. Stalkers use lots of tricks to try to get you to read their moronic crap, but this shuts them out entirely.

Makes using Twitter much nicer, especially when someone like Andrew Breitbart calls out his goon squad to bury you in insults. I have a keyboard macro that lets me add a username to the Tweetdeck filter with one mouse click and one keypress, so when hundreds of right wing morons start barraging me at Breitbart's command, I just block them all as soon as they post an insult. Takes almost no effort.

32 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:10:13am
33 mr.fusion  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:16:41am

re: #25 Obdicut

This is part of why some idiots convince themselves Obama stole the election or isn't a US citizen or whatever: so they can pretend he's not really president so they don't have to show him any courtesy whatsoever.

It's just crazy. And since when does the President HAVE to give random Governor's a half hour audience whenever they demand it just so they can have a chapter in their book?

This incident was all about Jan Brewer wanting a picture of her wagging a finger at the President that many in her state (if Sheriff Joe's birther sentiments are any indication) still believe was born in Kenya

34 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:17:12am

Obama must sit and laugh at the hysteria he induces in people.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he shares his candid assessments of these people with Michelle. They must crack up at the gross stupidity.

35 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:17:43am

re: #33 mr.fusion

This incident was all about Jan Brewer wanting a picture of her wagging a finger at the President that many in her state (if Sheriff Joe's birther sentiments are any indication) still believe was born in Kenya

Many don't really care where he was born - just how, namely black.

36 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:18:54am

So much for "respect the office"

37 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:18:58am

re: #32 MikeySDCA

re: #23 Romantic Heretic

It's something we should learn in 5th grade civics.

To have a democracy, you have to have the citizens actually making and voting on every law. We would all have to be in DC, voting on every bill. Not practical. Athens had a democracy because only they restricted who was a citizen, and they were geographically small enough to pull it off.

In a republic, we elect representatives to make the laws. Our votes are on the representatives, not the laws. Far more practical in a hurking big nation with hundreds of millions of people.

As for the Birchers, I've never bothered to read any of that, so I can't respond. I'm just a history major who cares about the difference. It's kind of like the difference between constitutional monarchy and absolute monarchy. It is helpful to understand the difference.

38 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:19:30am
39 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:20:00am

re: #33 mr.fusion

This incident was all about Jan Brewer wanting a picture of her wagging a finger at the President that many in her state (if Sheriff Joe's birther sentiments are any indication) still believe was born in Kenya

I was trying to avoid saying that, but yeah, I think that's part of what's going on here.

40 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:20:20am

re: #38 MikeySDCA

That's such an interesting question, since according to the Talmudic standard, he's white.

That's such a stupid comment.

41 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:21:20am

re: #38 MikeySDCA

That's such an interesting question, since according to the Talmudic standard, he's white.

according to Jim Crow laws, he's black as the Ace of Spades...

42 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:21:30am
43 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:21:46am

re: #38 MikeySDCA

That's such an interesting question, since according to the Talmudic standard, he's white.

What is the "Talmudic" standard and where in the Talmud (mesechte and daf) can I find it?

44 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:22:28am

re: #42 MikeySDCA

You may think it's stupid, but it's true.

Cite the Talmudic passage that gives standards for being white and black.

PS: Gotta be a hoot.

45 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:22:57am

re: #42 MikeySDCA

You may think it's stupid, but it's true.

Mesechte and daf, please.

46 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:23:13am

re: #38 MikeySDCA

That's such an interesting question, since according to the Talmudic standard, he's white.

Uh. According to immutable characteristic standards Obama is black.

47 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:23:25am

mesechte=volume name
daf=page number

48 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:24:09am

And you have to wonder how much of this is deliberate show-boating.

A lot of our cultural raising is about being polite and civil since it is essential for a lot of day-to-day interactions. Especially between equals since over-the-top belligerence gets you into fights when you're young and the sort of feuds and grudges that can prove fatal in a workplace career. And who wants to work for a yelling martinet anyways?

I've seen some people (mainly managers) get away with it for a while, but they were in all cases surviving due to a highly placed patron who had their back. And they were disliked if not outright hated by their co-workers and others who had to deal with them.

We're not a society of lone wolves. We have a lot of baggage and training in little things that lubricate the cooperation which we highly depend on.

49 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:24:49am

re: #42 MikeySDCA

Jesus fucking Christ...even I know better than to try to make a statement about Talmudic law around here.

50 Olsonist  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:25:49am

Asking for a meeting the first time was a very reasonable request. She asked for a meeting and Obama graciously granted one. So far so good. But then she absolutely can't trash him about the meeting and ever expect another.

So I can imagine her at the airport angrily asking for another meeting and he then *reminds* her of what she said in her book.

She's kind of thick headed. Dunno about the VP thing, but yeah, she is trying to make the most of her non-moment.

51 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:26:06am

re: #48 oaktree

We're not a society of lone wolves. We have a lot of baggage and training in little things that lubricate the cooperation which we highly depend on.

And compromise. Something that the Tea Party is bent on tossing overboard as if it were crates full of British Tea.

Idealists (of any flavor or poolitical orientation) make interesting people to read and listen to, but are incapable of governing effectively, or even functionally.

52 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:26:56am
53 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:27:32am

re: #52 MikeySDCA

Who is a Jew? from Wikipedia gives some sources.

What substances are you on? We are not talking about Jews.

54 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:27:39am

re: #52 MikeySDCA

Who is a Jew? from Wikipedia gives some sources.

So, you're saying he's white because his mother's white?

55 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:27:55am

re: #53 Sergey Romanov

What substances are you on? We are not talking about Jews.

Obama's not Jewish?
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56 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:28:02am

re: #3 Charles

By the way, LGF commenters on Twitter should immediately block and report this stalker -- he's following a lot of you:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Thank you Charles for the heads up.

Did I just take a dump? LizardEmailDump
""Blocked and reported for spam""

57 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:29:33am

re: #52 MikeySDCA

Who is a Jew? from Wikipedia gives some sources.

WTF? How does that extrapolate to race?

58 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:31:20am

We were not talking about Jewish people at all, we were talking about the attitudes of elderly conservatives in Arizona. To them there is no question of Obama's race...

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:32:01am

re: #58 ralphieboy

That was such a weird distraction.

60 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:32:22am

re: #59 Sergey Romanov

That was such a weird distraction.

somebody had to win an argument.

61 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:32:27am

re: #51 ralphieboy

And compromise. Something that the Tea Party is bent on tossing overboard as if it were crates full of British Tea.

Idealists (of any flavor or poolitical orientation) make interesting people to read and listen to, but are incapable of governing effectively, or even functionally.

Compromise is really strong in social politics due to the spectrum of viewpoints and interests being represented and interplaying. Down into corporate structures you'll see less of it since there are a lot more exclusive OR decisions going on and a half-and-half solution can be very sub-optimal. But you do see negotiations and give and take involving budgets and time lines. But we're also not operating in this situation as a republic. ;)

62 Alexzander  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:33:10am

re: #3 Charles

By the way, LGF commenters on Twitter should immediately block and report this stalker -- he's following a lot of you:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Is that Walter again?
Still cant believe he is posting private emails.
Even worse; he was posting as "Keeper of the Books" over there before he even got banned/permanently put on timeout over here. He just wanted to post this shit.

63 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:33:18am

The stupid is strong; there must be a multiplier effect (which apparently is the fact that President Obama is, in fact, both President and black).

Speaking of being strong in the stupid, just got email from Richard Viguerie touting none other than Jimmy O'Keefe's bogus reporting on election fraud in New Hampshire as though it proves zombie votes occurred. The link goes back to National Review.

64 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:33:26am

re: #49 darthstar

Jesus fucking Christ...even I know better than to try to make a statement about Talmudic law around here.

Get a vine or rope ready, someone just went into the quicksand pit.

65 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:33:34am

re: #60 ralphieboy

somebody had to win an argument be an asshole.

66 simoom  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:33:58am

Based on the video of the encounter I actually don't think the President even thought much of it. He's not animated or upset but appears to maintain a smile. He, being much taller, repeatedly leans over and turns his ear to her so he can hear her over the jet engines. He doesn't walk away from her, as the three person official greeting delegation is standing side by side. After many minutes of conversation he, still smiling, shakes the next persons hand and he continues chatting among them all.

I just get the impression that, after that pool photo was released, her team decided to milk this for all it was worth, so she went to the local press, then right wing radio, then Fox and then even did an night-time press avail on it, blowing the whole thing from a cordial greeting/exchange into the equivalence of some international incident.

This sort of seems to be her M.O. with the President. Her White House meeting turned from something she initially positively described, into the President condescendingly, pretending to honestly engage her, but she could see through him! Their friendly encounter at the shooting memorial became a snubbing in her book. Apparently this is the latest example of the President arrogantly condescending to her (almost through his very existence it seems).

67 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:34:17am

re: #65 Alouette

I didn't want to phrase it that way, but I won't argue with that...

68 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:35:04am

re: #62 Alexzander

I feel stupid because several times after Walter was time-outed and didn't return I said kind words about him (and meant them). I really didn't know he was such a two-faced scoundrel.

69 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:35:36am

re: #66 simoom

Apparently this is the latest example of the President arrogantly condescending to her (almost through his very existence it seems).

That is the very reason he became President, so he could condescend to all of us.

/

70 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:37:09am
71 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:37:34am

re: #66 simoom

...almost through his very existence it seems.

Yes, it does seem that way. He has a bad case of Being President While Black.

72 Olsonist  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:38:01am

re: #66 simoom

Yes. Obama has impecable manners.

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:38:22am

re: #70 MikeySDCA

Why not? I thought we were post-patriarchal.

Now you're telling him what to be? He identifies as black. Period.

74 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:38:41am

re: #68 Sergey Romanov

I feel stupid because several times after Walter was time-outed and didn't return I said kind words about him (and meant them). I really didn't know he was such a two-faced scoundrel.

Ah ha! I knew you were fair to a fault. I just couldn't find the fault.

(Don't feel stupid. The worst scoundrels are best at seeming somewhat reasonable.)

75 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:39:37am

re: #70 MikeySDCA

Why not? I thought we were post-patriarchal.

Now you're confusing feminism with racism, or something.

You're being really dense and/or irritating with this.

76 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:40:00am

Gingrich Rails Against 'Destructive' Obama, Dual Secular-Islamist Threat

...in the interview with Mefferd, Gingrich once again equated secular Americans with radical Islamists. “We are under attack from two directions: we have secularists who want to eliminate all reference to God in public life, and we have people in the radical Islamic world who want to find a way to impose on us a world that we don’t want to live in,” Gingrich said, “I think both of those are very genuine threats to us”:

Gingrich also told Mefferd that Obama has a “destructive” attitude towards Congress and is “pretty willing to capriciously break things up” because he doesn’t “respect anybody but his own judgment.” Such remarks are especially ironic coming from Gingrich, who is not known for modesty and has a long history of ethics troubles:

Mefferd: Many people think that there has been a flagrant abuse of power in the executive branch under this president, how will you conduct yourself differently if you end up being elected?

Gingrich: Well first of all I am going to try to work with Congress, not just run over it. I think that he has adopted an attitude which is very destructive. So start with that. I was in Congress for twenty years; I respect the Congress as an institution. My sense is that Obama doesn’t actually respect anybody but his own judgment and he doesn’t understand the idea of a larger system that has lasted for 230 years and that has an importance and a power beyond any one fight or beyond any one person and so he is pretty willing to capriciously break things up.

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:40:46am

re: #74 wrenchwench

I listened to their tragicomedy "radio show" and he was going on and on how nobody at LGF said a kind word about him after he left. Which is just not true. Many people sincerely said they missed him. He is such a pouty jerk.

78 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:40:51am

re: #64 oaktree

Get a vine or rope ready, someone just went into the quicksand pit.

I couldn't find any, will a snake do?

79 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:41:06am

I'd bet dollars to donuts that if Obama referred to himself as white, we would *never* hear the end of it from the Fox crowd.

80 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:41:19am

re: #70 MikeySDCA

Why not? I thought we were post-patriarchal.

I, personally, don't actually care.

You are what you are. You are the genetic sum of lots and lots and lots of genetic lines, but you are also what you choose to be.

81 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:44:14am

re: #70 MikeySDCA

Why not? I thought we were post-patriarchal.

What? Do you think a bunch of hooded Klansmen are going to abduct a black man and one of them is going to say, "wait, his mom is white!"

82 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:45:33am
83 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:45:42am

re: #81 Gus 802

No, they're going to go find mom and lynch her too, for miscegenation.

84 Lidane  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:46:04am

re: #3 Charles

By the way, LGF commenters on Twitter should immediately block and report this stalker -- he's following a lot of you:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Blocked and reported. Thanks for the heads up, Charles!

85 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:46:07am

re: #82 MikeySDCA

Are we taking them as our arbiters of reason and virtue?

Are we using the Talmud?

86 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:46:27am

re: #82 MikeySDCA

Are we taking them as our arbiters of reason and virtue?

No, we're still waiting for you to cite a Talmudic passage with standards for being black and white. Or to retract your claim.

87 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:47:09am
88 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:47:41am

re: #87 MikeySDCA

It is a respectable source, reflecting the views of intelligent people who gave the problem a great deal of thought.

The problem of who is Jewish and who is not.

89 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:47:55am

re: #82 MikeySDCA

Are we taking them as our arbiters of reason and virtue?

This isn't about "arbiters of reason and virtue." Arbiters of reason and virtue aren't the problem with respect to Obama. Bigotry is not based on our standards but by the standards of the bigots and racists. Regardless of this all Obama is immutably black. He can't hide that fact even if he so desired.

90 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:48:17am

re: #87 MikeySDCA

It is a respectable source, reflecting the views of intelligent people who gave the problem a great deal of thought.

What problem?

91 Lidane  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:48:35am

re: #31 Charles

One of the reasons I use Tweetdeck is for its Global Filter feature. You add a Twitter username to the filter, and then you simply never see that person's tweets at all. Stalkers use lots of tricks to try to get you to read their moronic crap, but this shuts them out entirely.

HootSuite does the same thing. As soon as I block someone their tweets disappear, even if they mention me or send a message to me directly.

It's made getting rid of the stalker morans that much easier.

92 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:49:15am

re: #87 MikeySDCA

It is a respectable source, reflecting the views of intelligent people who gave the problem a great deal of thought.

1. It does not apply to this situation.
2. You have failed to provide the volume and page # for this citation.
3. You don't know when to walk away from a Fail.

93 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:49:26am

re: #87 MikeySDCA

It is a respectable source, reflecting the views of intelligent people who gave the problem a great deal of thought.

"the problem?" Are you saying bi-racial people are a problem?

94 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:50:42am

re: #81 Gus 802

What? Do you think a bunch of hooded Klansmen are going to abduct a black man and one of them is going to say, "wait, his mom is white!"

I think this started off by describing the advrse reaction that a lot of elderly Arizona conservatives have to Obama because of his race.

Referring not to the Talmud, which has never been a source of authority on race in the USA, but to the standards of race that were defined under slavery and jim Crow laws (some of which did apply well into the second half of the last century) he is black as the proverbial Ace of Spades...

95 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:50:50am
96 simoom  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:51:29am

re: #71 Charles

Yes, it does seem that way. He has a bad case of Being President While Black.

That or just being a powerful official of the wrong Party, whose DoJ hasn't been afraid to challenge some of her State's laws and officials (ex: Sheriff Joe Arpaio). I suppose it plays to both constituencies, as both want more than anything, to see a President who is of the wrong political affiliation (or, for some, the wrong color), "put in his place".

97 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:51:33am

re: #95 MikeySDCA

Of whether hereditary group identity is matrilineal or patrilineal. The Talmud was cited as a source dealing with the question viewed in the terms I just expressed. Of course it doesn't discuss blacks.

SO THEN IT DOES NOT APPLY.

Please. Just. Stop.

98 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:52:24am

re: #95 MikeySDCA

Of whether hereditary group identity is matrilineal or patrilineal. The Talmud was cited as a source dealing with the question viewed in the terms I just expressed. Of course it doesn't discuss blacks.

'Group identity' is not hereditary.

What point are you trying to make, if any?

99 simoom  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:53:03am

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gingrich Rails Against 'Destructive' Obama, Dual Secular-Islamist Threat

It's funny how much Glenn Beck seems to hate Gingrich, as the fmr. Spkr. really seems to have cribbed a lot of his material from him.

100 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:53:08am

What applies here is actually a court case in, I think, Arkansas that established that having one non-white great grandparent (Indian, actually) disqualified one from attending a white school.

Lousy law.

101 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:53:40am

re: #95 MikeySDCA

You do realize that you're succeeding only in offending people right now.

102 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:54:31am

re: #99 simoom

It's funny how much Glenn Beck seems to hate Gingrich, as the Spkr. really seems to have cribbed a lot of his material from him.

Secularists hate Christianity. Islamists hate Christianity. That makes them allies, I guess...

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:54:56am

re: #95 MikeySDCA

Of whether hereditary group identity is matrilineal or patrilineal. The Talmud was cited as a source dealing with the question viewed in the terms I just expressed. Of course it doesn't discuss blacks.

Of course it doesn't. It discusses only who is Jewish and who is not. It's not the last word on that either, since it's a religious source, and ethnicity is larger than any religion. So what's your point in bringing up the Talmud? Fool.

104 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:55:00am

re: #99 simoom

It's funny how much Glenn Beck seems to hate Gingrich, as the Spkr. really seems to have cribbed a lot of his material from him.

Sarah Palin supports Gingrich (but she's just trying to stay on Roger Ailes' good side.)

105 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:55:05am

Le Code Noir. Jews were included in the Code Noir, BTW.

106 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:57:24am
107 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:57:57am

re: #106 MikeySDCA

You. All. Win. I would note for the record that I have not down-dinged anybody for anything in this, nor have I resorted to insults or obscenity. Can my critics say as much?

Just say, "I'm sorry" and don't be a crybaby.

108 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:57:59am

re: #71 Charles

This crap just gets worse and worse. Seems like ever since Reagan became Ray Gun. Then to Clinton's bimbos, to Clinton things just invented, to what George Galloway had to say about Bush, to the insults that relate to a black President. Seems like each and every President since I voted has faced escalating rhetoric or worse.

Where does it end? Headlines about an attempt on his life? I shudder to think.

109 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:58:01am

re: #106 MikeySDCA

You. All. Win. I would note for the record that I have not down-dinged anybody for anything in this, nor have I resorted to insults or obscenity. Can my critics say as much?

You have used bad arguments and haven't retracted your claim when confronted with other arguments.

110 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:58:09am

re: #106 MikeySDCA

You should take a nap. Maybe go for a walk or something.

111 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:58:46am

re: #106 MikeySDCA

You. All. Win. I would note for the record that I have not down-dinged anybody for anything in this, nor have I resorted to insults or obscenity. Can my critics say as much?

You bet your fucking idiot ass we can.
/

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:59:16am

Gee. Now we're to blame.

113 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:59:19am

re: #106 MikeySDCA

You. All. Win. I would note for the record that I have not down-dinged anybody for anything in this, nor have I resorted to insults or obscenity. Can my critics say as much?

I have downdinged you. What does that mean to you?

Why do you say, "You all win" and not "I was wrong?" Do you think you made no error?

114 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:00:10am

re: #112 Sergey Romanov

Gee. Now we're to blame.

Do you feel guilty? I feel guilty. In fact, I haven't felt this guilty since I spent a few days hanging out with my Catholic mother. It's quite refreshing.

115 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:01:40am

Whatever.

116 sagehen  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:03:11am

re: #43 Alouette

What is the "Talmudic" standard and where in the Talmud (mesechte and daf) can I find it?

Is it not in the Talmud? Somewhere in Jewish law/tradition/belief it's expressly declared that you are born of your mother's tribe, regardless of where the paternal DNA came from.

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:03:30am

Having a great time reading about the one drop rule in Wikipedia.

Many states considered Native Americans blacks for the purpose of identification, including any Indian blood whatsoever. Virginia had to make 1/16 rule because the descendants of Pocahontas* were rich and influential and not about to put up with that silliness.

*Senator John Randolph of Virginia, for example.

It's amazing how the rules can be changed if the people being hurt are able to hurt you back.

118 pinkbunny  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:03:39am

re: #29 wrenchwench

That's a bit much. She holds an office deserving a bit of respect also.

No not really, she was arrested for DUI. It's just a theory for her erratic behavior

119 pinkbunny  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:05:31am

re: #21 negativ

What is wrong with that person / those people, seriously? I think the last time I saw anyone put that amount of energy into inconsequential ♫I'M GONNA TELL EVERYBODY WHAT YOU SAAAIIIDD♫ buffoonery was when I was in 4th grade.

Well I just got my own rightwing nut job on twitter. He called me a "SICK BITCH"

Ironically, this homophobic asshole had on his tweets that all "gay people should be round up and put out of their misery."

120 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:05:50am

re: #117 EmmmieG

Having a great time reading about the one drop rule in Wikipedia.

Many states considered Native Americans blacks for the purpose of identification, including any Indian blood whatsoever. Virginia had to make 1/16 rule because the descendants of Pocahontas* were rich and influential and not about to put up with that silliness.

*Senator John Randolph of Virginia, for example.

It's amazing how the rules can be changed if the people being hurt are able to hurt you back.

Which is a hint that these laws are about social control structures and not really about purity, morals, and keeping religion.

121 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:06:21am

re: #118 pinkbunny

No not really, she was arrested for DUI. It's just a theory for her erratic behavior

Yesterday?

122 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:06:27am

re: #116 sagehen

Is it not in the Talmud? Somewhere in Jewish law/tradition/belief it's expressly declared that you are born of your mother's tribe, regardless of where the paternal DNA came from.

Not exactly. To be an "Israelite" one has to have a Jewish mother, Tribal affiliation is patrilineal.

So, let's say someone had a Jewish mother and a Roman father (like Brian son of Mandy), he is still considered an "Israelite" but could not claim an inheritance as a member of a specific tribe.

123 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:08:31am

Winston Churchill fails the one-drop rule. His American mother had a Native American ancestor back there somewhere.

124 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:08:33am

re: #121 wrenchwench

Yesterday?

DKos is also promoting the theory that Brewer was drunk. No evidence and not very nice.

125 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:08:38am

re: #122 Alouette

How was conversion dealt with in ye ancient times? Is there Talmudic precedent for conversion from way back when? I just realized I don't know this.

126 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:09:03am

Hey, a survey question that gets 55% agreement across the spectrum!

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

So we get to impose the merry-go-round and never have any experienced Congress critters about. The circus never ends!

127 sagehen  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:09:35am

re: #55 darthstar

Obama's not Jewish?
///

Michelle's cousin is a rabbi, does that count?

128 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:09:56am

re: #124 Killgore Trout

DKos is also promoting the theory that Brewer was drunk. No evidence and not very nice.

Just because she has a drinking problem doesn't mean she was drunk in that photo. It was probably just her inner OWS showing.

129 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:10:51am

re: #125 Obdicut

How was conversion dealt with in ye ancient times? Is there Talmudic precedent for conversion from way back when? I just realized I don't know this.

I presume there is also some sort of cut-off point before which it doesn't apply. Given the mitochrondria genetic data we'd all qualify if you allowed it to go back to Mitochrondrial Eve.

130 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:10:59am

re: #125 Obdicut

How was conversion dealt with in ye ancient times? Is there Talmudic precedent for conversion from way back when? I just realized I don't know this.

Conversions were carried out differently in ancient times but I am not too familiar with the specifics. The Book of Ruth contains the requirements for conversion in Biblical times.

131 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:11:46am

re: #128 darthstar

Just because she has a drinking problem doesn't mean she was drunk in that photo. It was probably just her inner OWS showing.

And the jet engines were so loud she thought the aide was shouting "The Sheriff is near!".
;p
///

132 simoom  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:12:14am

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

“I was not hostile,” Brewer told reporters. “I was trying to be very, very gracious. I respect the office of the president, and I would never be disrespectful in that manner.”

She went a step further, though, painting a menacing picture of the President. “I was in the middle of a sentence and he walked away. I wasn’t angry at all. I felt a little bit threatened, if you will, in the attitude that he had.”

133 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:12:20am

re: #128 darthstar

Local talk radio hosts "John & Ken (KFI aka KKKFI) were openly applauding her, and wishcasting that the Arizona immigration bill be upheld. Then they too decided for themselves that she "must" have been drunk just because any President is so intimidating.

134 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:13:12am

re: #132 simoom

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

Well there it is. Code for "uppity black man."

135 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:13:26am

If Alexander Pushkin had visited the US (which was highly unlikely to ever happen), and if he had lived past thirty-eight*, he would have had to travel second class.

*Stupid way to die, really, but my point was that he died before common use of trains, but if he had lived to sixty, he would have traveled by train.

Pushkin

His daughter

I admit, I just posted the pictures because wow, is his daughter pretty.

136 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:14:17am

re: #132 simoom

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

Threatened by someone walking away? What a dumbass.

137 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:14:20am

re: #132 simoom

ugg

138 erik_t  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:14:28am

re: #132 simoom

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

He appears to be threatening to walk away. I'm sure that's what she meant...

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:14:38am

re: #134 Gus 802

Well there it is. Code for "uppity black man."

Nah, it's a code for something even worse.

140 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:15:05am

re: #139 Sergey Romanov

Nah, it's a code for something even worse.

She was playing Johnny Rebel songs in her head.

141 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:15:27am

re: #140 Gus 802

She was playing Johnny Rebel songs in her head.

"If Obama raped America, ..."

142 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:15:57am

re: #141 Sergey Romanov

"If Obama raped America, ..."

I guess I should specify, that this is what some wingnuts claimed a few days ago.

143 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:16:32am

re: #141 Sergey Romanov

"If Obama raped America, ..."

Newt would be jealous of his patriotism.
///

144 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:16:47am

Onion is great today

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

145 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:16:57am

On the other hand, if John Quincy Adams could have visited Russia, I suppose Pushkin could have visited the US.

146 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:17:13am

re: #130 Alouette

Conversions were carried out differently in ancient times but I am not too familiar with the specifics. The Book of Ruth contains the requirements for conversion in Biblical times.

Interesting.

And since conversion was at least possible back then, Mikey's analogy is even dumber: being born to a Jewish mother was one way of being Jewish. You could also convert.

No clue why someone would apply those standards to anything other than Judaism, either.

147 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:18:24am

re: #143 oaktree

I mean, it's a "threatening black male and a white belle" thing right there.

148 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:19:11am

re: #129 oaktree

You mean Hera, don't you /Number Six

149 simoom  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:19:19am

re: #136 Sionainn

Threatened by someone walking away? What a dumbass.

The thing is, from the full video he seems to give her his full attention for minutes. He then doesn't walk away, but smiling sidesteps to the next in the three-person-delegation-line, greets him with a handshake, and continues to talk among all three of them. By tomorrow, I imagine, he'll have spit in her face, kicked sand on her shoes and stalked off in a huff.

150 Lidane  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:19:52am

re: #134 Gus 802

Well there it is. Code for "uppity black man."

More like playing right into the racist stereotype of a scary black man upsetting the virtuous white woman.

151 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:20:24am

re: #141 Sergey Romanov

"If Obama raped America, ..."

You ever listen to any of those songs? Damn, it really makes the "old" racism almost palpable.

152 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:20:33am

Oh, and these days, liberal and reform Jews accept someone as Jewish as long as they have Jewish parent, whatever the gender, and a Jewish upbringing.

Yet another conversation in which I'm at a loss as to why Jews were brought up, yay!

153 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:21:18am

re: #151 Gus 802

You ever listen to any of those songs? Damn, it really makes the "old" racism almost palpable.

Heh. I guess I listened to one of parodies. In a Boondocks episode.

154 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:22:05am

re: #149 simoom

The thing is, from the full video he seems to give her his full attention for minutes. He then doesn't walk away, but smiling sidesteps to the next in the three-person-delegation-line, greets him with a handshake, and continues to talk among all three of them. By tomorrow, I imagine, he'll have spit in her face, kicked sand on her shews and stalked off in a huff.

"Look, if you don't like my parties, you can leave in a huff. If that's too soon, leave in a minute and a huff. If you can't find that, you can leave in a taxi."

:)

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:22:46am

re: #3 Charles

By the way, LGF commenters on Twitter should immediately block and report this stalker -- he's following a lot of you:

[Link: twitter.com...]

Done.

156 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:23:07am

Land: 'Gingrich is the Fonz'

Not too long ago, Land was publicly predicting that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would resign her position so that she could launch a primary challenge against President Obama and that she would do so within thirty days.

That was in October of 2010.

But still, media outlets continue to turn to Land to provide "insights" into political races and so I guess they get what they deserve .... such as pieces like this in which he compares the Republican candidates to the cast of "Happy Days":

Because nothing quite hits the pulse of the American people like comparing the GOP candidates to a TV show canceled 30 something years ago.

157 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:23:13am

re: #153 Sergey Romanov

Heh. I guess I listened to one of parodies. In a Boondocks episode.

Heard about that. Howard Stern played them on the radio a long time ago. I first heard of this guy back in 1972 or so.

158 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:23:55am

re: #124 Killgore Trout

DKos is also promoting the theory that Brewer was drunk. No evidence and not very nice.

No respect for the office of governor!

159 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:23:58am

re: #157 Gus 802

Heard about that. Howard Stern played them on the radio a long time ago. I first heard of this guy back in 1972 or so.

For shock value?

160 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:24:47am

re: #159 Sergey Romanov

For shock value?

Probably. He and Robin were laughing it up.

161 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:26:42am

Hop to it, moonbats. Your Marxist master issues a call to action...
Adbusters Wants 50,000 G8/NATO Protesters in Chicago

And when the G8 and NATO meet behind closed doors on May 19, we’ll be ready with our demands: a Robin Hood Tax … a ban on high frequency ‘flash’ trading … a binding climate change accord … a three strikes and you’re out law for corporate criminals … an all out initiative for a nuclear-free Middle East … whatever we decide in our general assemblies and in our global internet brainstorm – we the people will set the agenda for the next few years and demand our leaders carry it out.

I assume that not a demand that Iran stop its nuclear program, probably a demand the Israel disarm.

162 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:27:08am

That stuff should not be hidden though IMO. I won't post it here obviously. But people need to know how the KKK cretins think. Those songs are truly representative of the racism from the days of Jim Crow laws. This is who they are and many of them remain as such to this day.

163 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:27:44am

re: #151 Gus 802

You ever listen to any of those songs? Damn, it really makes the "old" racism almost palpable.

I remember somebody sent me a copy of "Kajun Ku Klux Klan" just so I would not lose touch with American culture...

164 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:27:48am

"Should not be hidden..." Fixed.

165 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:29:07am

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Hop to it, moonbats. Your Marxist master issues a call to action...

An interesting way to phrase it. As if you're talking to someone here.

BTW, remind me who was the only person who was interested in Kalle Lasn's ideas and "liked some of them" at LGF.

166 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:30:55am

re: #132 simoom

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

It's a real trick to be threatened by someone walking away from you!

167 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:31:26am

re: #166 jamesfirecat

It's a real trick to be threatened by someone walking away from you!

Not if he is a negro...that's the point.

/

168 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:31:50am

re: #166 jamesfirecat

It's a real trick to be threatened by someone walking away from you!

I went back and listened to Brewer, and it appears that the "threatened" part was when she was talking to him. Yeah, because Obama is just such a scary dude. ///

169 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:32:10am

re: #166 jamesfirecat

It's a real trick to be threatened by someone walking away from you!

If they have a drone circling nearby (or a SEAL team) they could just be getting clear!
//

170 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:32:55am

re: #168 Sionainn

I went back and listened to Brewer, and it appears that the "threatened" part was when she was talking to him. Yeah, because Obama is just such a scary dude. ///

MlTTR0MNEY Willard Mitt Romney
That Jan Brewer is a card. Someone put their finger in my face once. I fired him then ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

171 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:33:06am

re: #163 ralphieboy

I remember somebody sent me a copy of "Kajun Ku Klux Klan" just so I would not lose touch with American culture...

It truly is part of American culture if not history. As we can see we're still living through that same history to this day. Although technically it's a sub-culture of sorts.

172 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:36:01am

re: #165 Sergey Romanov

An interesting way to phrase it. As if you're talking to someone here.

BTW, remind me who was the only person who was interested in Kalle Lasn's ideas and "liked some of them" at LGF.

Don't worry. I'm sure violent and destructive riots will rehabilitate OWS' tarnished image.
/Demanding Israel disarm was a nice touch

173 celticdragon  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:36:03am

re: #68 Sergey Romanov

I feel stupid because several times after Walter was time-outed and didn't return I said kind words about him (and meant them). I really didn't know he was such a two-faced scoundrel.

My first encounter with Walter was my last. I found very quickly that he is mean, vindictive and nasty. I ignored him here at lgf after that and I refused to engage him in conversation.

174 sunnygal  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:36:25am

When I first saw the photo, I thought she was saying to Obama, "I want my broom and I want it now!"

Seriously, her profile and the crooked finger look like something straight out of the Wizard of Oz - and I'm not talking about the good witch.

175 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:36:28am

Allahpundit is such a tool:

You would think the fact that he’s disliked by every Republican in the universe except, I guess, Jon Huntsman would have inured him to criticism from the right by now, but no. In fact, over at the Standard, Jonathan Last remembers that this isn’t the first angry confrontation he’s had with a GOP governor on the tarmac. He once surprised Bobby Jindal by whining about a letter Jindal had sent to Tom Vilsack regarding food stamps. O was in Louisiana that day for a visit related to the BP oil spill but turns out he was preoccupied with the idea that Jindal’s letter had made him look bad. Go figure.

176 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:37:35am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Don't worry. I'm sure violent and destructive riots will rehabilitate OWS' tarnished image.
/Demanding Israel disarm was a nice touch

I'm not the one spamming LGF with OWS junk. I'm not worried about their tarnished image.

177 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:39:30am

re: #173 celticdragon

My first encounter with Walter was my last. I found very quickly that he is mean, vindictive and nasty. I ignored him here at lgf after that and I refused to engage him in conversation.

It got to that point with me as well.

178 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:39:32am

Video added to the post showing Brewer now saying she "felt a little bit threatened" by Obama.

Can you say, "blatant racial stereotype?"

179 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:40:00am

re: #175 Gus 802

Allahpundit is such a tool:

Hey now. Tools are useful means of production. I'm going to go grab some now!

180 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:41:15am

Texas turns on Rick Perry

Texans didn’t think much of Rick Perry’s presidential bid either.

Gov. Perry disastrous campaign pulled his job approval down in his home state below even President Obama’s and a plurality of Texans think that his campaign hurt the state’s image, according to a poll by the Dallas Morning News.

Indeed, only 40 percent of Texans approve of Perry’s job performance - his lowest rating in over a decade - and weaker than Obama’s approval rating of 43 percent, according to the survey. An additional 40 percent disapprove of Perry’s job performance.

In addition, while 48 percent of Texans felt that their view of Perry remained unchanged, 37 percent said that they viewed him less favorably after his bid for president.

Now a majority of Texans, 53 percent, think that Perry should not run for another term as governor in 2014, compared to 34 percent who think he should.

181 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:41:36am

OWS served its purpose: it made America realize the distinction between the 1% who can afford to lobby lawmakers and fund their election campaigns, and the 99% who can still vote but do not have the means to influence elections or the candidates once they are elected.

182 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:42:27am

re: #181 ralphieboy

OR: It just happened to be around while that was working its way through the gestalt, and so the narrative coalesced around it and it's being credited for it.

183 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:45:26am

re: #182 Obdicut

Something would have come up anyway, true. It's just, OWS did.

184 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:45:29am

re: #182 Obdicut

OR: It just happened to be around while that was working its way through the gestalt, and so the narrative coalesced around it and it's being credited for it.

the idea was there, but it was buried by the counter-arguments of "class warfare" and "bashing the successful".

it was not about attacking the wealthy, it was just highlighting the contrast

but the whole issue of Mitt's effective 14% tax rate really comes into focus against the backdrop of the gap 1% vs the 99%.

185 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:46:08am

re: #178 Charles

Video added to the post showing Brewer now saying she "felt a little bit threatened" by Obama.

Can you say, "blatant racial stereotype?"

Or maybe it was all those guys with guns standing around... but she sure doesn't look intimidated.

186 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:46:35am

re: #185 C1nnabar

Or maybe it was all those guys with guns standing around... but she sure doesn't look intimidated.

Yeah, what'd she think Obama was going to do, exactly?

187 Gus  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:46:46am

What a freaking publicity stunt. If Brewer was really respectful of the office of the president then she shouldn't have had this press conference. This Brewer is a piece of work.

188 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:47:53am

re: #37 EmmmieGIt's something we should learn in 5th grade civics.

To have a democracy, you have to have the citizens actually making and voting on every law. We would all have to be in DC, voting on every bill. Not practical. Athens had a democracy because only they restricted who was a citizen, and they were geographically small enough to pull it off.

In a republic, we elect representatives to make the laws. Our votes are on the representatives, not the laws. Far more practical in a hurking big nation with hundreds of millions of people.

Hmmm. That seems to me more like 'pure democracy' vs. 'representative democracy.' By your explanation Canada and Britain are republics which they are not.

Shrugs. Not important, really. What's really important is whether the citizens are involved in the process or not. Ours is, unfortunately, increasingly, not.

189 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:47:59am

re: #186 Obdicut

Yeah, what'd she think Obama was going to do, exactly?

Those Presidents, they're so savage and unpredictable./

190 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:48:07am

re: #187 Gus 802

What a freaking publicity stunt. If Brewer was really respectful of the office of the president then she shouldn't have had this press conference. This Brewer is a piece of work.

She wants the GOP VP nomination.

191 Randall Gross  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:48:28am

The whole point of this of course is to sell more of her books to wingnuts, it's a burgeoning industry.

192 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:48:46am

The full quote: "I felt a little bit threatened, if you will, in the attitude that he had."

193 simoom  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:49:17am

A Victoria Jackson profile:
[Link: www.miaminewtimes.com...]

Victoria Jackson doesn't want to meet at her house. "The Nation of Islam wants to kill me," she explains apologetically in her inimitable shrill voice. Instead, she picks up a reporter at a Miami-area strip mall. Her weathered Honda Civic is adorned with "Nobama," Marco Rubio, and Tea Party bumper stickers, and inside, it smells like it's been fumigated with sweet incense.

...

The daffy actress — about whom the Washington Post once mused, "If you opened her head, it would be filled with cotton candy" — is now a bizarrely riveting semiregular political pundit on Fox News.

She's no Keyboard Cat. But videos uploaded of her — on cable news programs, on her online talk show, or filmed by her own erratic hand — have in just the past few months amassed more than a million page views. She has strummed a ukulele while harmonizing that Muslims "like beheadings and pedophile weddings." Even Bill O'Reilly laughed at her when she compared Barack Obama to "Castro in Cuba, or the guy in China, or Saddam Hussein." She has declared, in protest of a gay kiss on Glee, that homosexual children need to "pray the gay away" and that there's a "spiritual war in America."

But calling her the lunatic fringe is at most half right. Victoria has been invited to the office of Republican Florida congressman Bill Posey, who commiserated when she said Obama has "the fakest birth certificate I've ever seen in my life." She has gained a sympathetic audience with nearly every GOP candidate of the 2012 presidential campaign (excluding the guy she calls a "fake conservative," Mitt Romney). She rode the Tea Party Express bus with Herman Cain and joined Michele Bachmann at a D.C. rally where the crowd chanted, "There's a communist living in the White House!"

Her response letter:
Victoria Jackson Says New Times Profile of Her Was Lies Penned by a Socialist

194 AK-47%  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:49:20am

re: #188 Romantic Heretic

Shrugs. Not important, really. What's really important is whether the citizens are involved in the process or not. Ours is, unfortunately, increasingly, not.

We can vote, but most of us do not have the means to contribute to election campaigns or to lobby the lawmakers.

and current campaign laws make it too easy for people who do so to hide their identities

195 darthstar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:49:44am

re: #192 Charles

The full quote: "I felt a little bit threatened, if you will, in the attitude that he had."

Dog blows whistle. Film at eleven.

196 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:50:06am

re: #192 Charles

The full quote: "I felt a little bit threatened, if you will, in the attitude that he had."

UPPITY

197 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:50:15am

re: #192 Charles

The full quote: "I felt a little bit threatened, if you will, in the attitude that he had."

Talk about being "thin-skinned."

198 Olsonist  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:50:18am

re: #182 Obdicut

OR: It just happened to be around while that was working its way through the gestalt, and so the narrative coalesced around it and it's being credited for it.

Obdi, that's not a very good argument. OWS should get its due credit. They went out, did it and suffered for it. Not perfectly but effectively.

199 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:50:49am

re: #192 Charles

The full quote: "I felt a little bit threatened, if you will, in the attitude that he had."

You can't be more explicit and still be talking in race-baiting code.

200 celticdragon  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:53:22am

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Hop to it, moonbats. Your Marxist master issues a call to action...
Adbusters Wants 50,000 G8/NATO Protesters in Chicago

I assume that not a demand that Iran stop its nuclear program, probably a demand the Israel disarm.

Personally, I would rather that Israel dump her nukes and arrange to be under our strategic nuclear umbrella like Japan et al.

Every other county in the region has a ready made excuse to make their nukes because Israel flouts the UN resolutions on non proliferation, and we all pretend to ignore it...and then they sell that back to their own populations as evidence of Zionist conspiracies in the UN and the US blah blah blah. AS long as Israel has her 200 to 300 nukes, we will not have an actual reason to tell anybody else not to have them except for "Because we said so". They are not buying it.

My version of an agreement with Israel would entail dismantlement of her program and weapons delivery systems, in exchange that she come under our protection and if necessary, allow basing our own weapons on her territory(like we used to do in Turkey, Canada etc). We could use that to bring Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and possibly others into a loose mutual defense agreement where an NBC attack on any of them would entail a full retaliatory response from us. I would also agree with Israel some terms regarding any invasion of her territory (pretty unlikely at this point) that would bring a tactical nuclear response.

I also know that will never happen, but that would be my own take on how to deal with it.

201 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:53:53am

re: #198 Olsonist

Obdi, that's not a very good argument. OWS should get its due credit. They went out, did it and suffered for it. Not perfectly but effectively.

Just because they were out there, doesn't mean they deserve the credit, though. It's really, really hard to prove a link like that. Why was it OWS, and not the effect of the protests in Wisconsin, or the result of the GOP becoming more and more and more obvious at only wanting to preserve tax breaks for the ultra-wealthy.

A lot of people gave 'credit' to Hearst and other publishers for kick-starting the Spanish American war, but modern historiography disagrees. What really 'starts' something is really difficult to determine.

202 Lidane  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:54:02am

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Speaking of violent and destructive things, here's something that's actually relevant:

New Hampshire Republicans Propose Bills That Prevent Police From Protecting Domestic Abuse Victims

Oh, but wait. They're not in OWS, so their actions don't matter. Never mind.

203 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:55:26am

re: #200 celticdragon

Anything that led to use having a mutual defensive pact with Israel would be a good thing. But as you say, it's vastly unlikely.

204 What, me worry?  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:56:07am

re: #19 EmmmieG

If you suddenly see someone with my nic following you, that is me.

I wouldn't bother following me. I have almost nothing to say on twitter. I'm just making sure I'm the one using my nic.

If you're still here, you should use The Twitter. I love it and not just for LGF stuff (which of course is fabulous :>) but for every topic that interests me. And you don't have to tweet, just follow what you like, but it does get addicting.

Start out by befriending the lizards. You can find them by checking the Follows at Lizardoid, Marjoriemoon and CuriousLurker (I'm volunteering her). For realz. It's wonderful.

205 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:56:33am

re: #199 C1nnabar

You can't be more explicit and still be talking in race-baiting code.

I can picture Brewer pulling a Beavis.

206 Charleston Chew  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:56:55am

The headline should be "Brewer Spots Black Man In Arizona, Intercepts".

207 Olsonist  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:58:03am

re: #201 Obdicut

Just because they were out there, doesn't mean they deserve the credit, though. It's really, really hard to prove a link like that. Why was it OWS, and not the effect of the protests in Wisconsin, or the result of the GOP becoming more and more and more obvious at only wanting to preserve tax breaks for the ultra-wealthy.

The fact that we are using OWS's rhetoric kind of proves the point. You can Spanish Civil war me. I'll have to Tea Party you.

I have Tea Party friends. The last thing they want to do is give due credit to Obama for hunting down and killing OBL. It was the SEALs; it was started by Bush. It's really, really hard to prove a link like that.

Really, OWS for all its imperfections (and brilliance) deserves due credit for pushing this into the national conscience.

208 Kragar  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:58:31am

re: #206 Charleston Chew

The headline should be "Brewer Spots Black Man In Arizona, Intercepts".

Call Sheriff Arpaio.

209 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:59:13am

re: #201 Obdicut

re: #207 Olsonist

They don't deserve all credit. They deserve some credit. There.

210 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:08:42pm

re: #207 Olsonist

The fact that we are using OWS's rhetoric kind of proves the point. You can Spanish Civil war me. I'll have to Tea Party you.

No, it doesn't. Why would using 'their' rhetoric (the 99%/1% wasn't original to OWS, by the way) prove anything? Gore was using that line long ago.

I have Tea Party friends. The last thing they want to do is give due credit to Obama for hunting down and killing OBL. It was the SEALs; it was started by Bush. It's really, really hard to prove a link like that.

That's an entirely different situation. I'm talking about how mass changes in social attitude come about, not personal responsibility for a military action. That's a terrible comparison.

Really, OWS for all its imperfections (and brilliance) deserves due credit for pushing this into the national conscience.

And I disagree. They certainly claimed credit. I don't know if they deserve credit, or if they're just the visible face of the change.

You're not going to convince me by saying "Yes, they are!"

211 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:12:43pm

re: #207 Olsonist

Really, OWS for all its imperfections (and brilliance) deserves due credit for pushing this into the national conscience.

Obama was openly advocating raising taxes on top earners for about 2 years (maybe longer) before OWS even started. Even though the polls showed most of the public supported the concept, majorites also objected to OWS tactics. OWS also made the mistake of openly embracing the concept of class warfare which was previously only used by Fox news and wingnuts as a smear. They've probably done more harm to their cause than help.

212 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:15:43pm

re: #202 Lidane

Speaking of violent and destructive things, here's something that's actually relevant:

New Hampshire Republicans Propose Bills That Prevent Police From Protecting Domestic Abuse Victims

Oh, but wait. They're not in OWS, so their actions don't matter. Never mind.

I stopped paying attention to Think Progress for personal reasons but you're welcome to link to them all day long and discuss whatever you want. Doesn't bother me a bit.

213 Olsonist  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:16:50pm

re: #210 Obdicut

No, it doesn't. Why would using 'their' rhetoric (the 99%/1% wasn't original to OWS, by the way) prove anything? Gore was using that line long ago.

That's also not a very good argument. The present popular usage of 99% stems from OWS. Ask the next person walking down the street.

That's an entirely different situation. I'm talking about how mass changes in social attitude come about, not personal responsibility for a military action. That's a terrible comparison.

Why so? You don't want to give credit. The Tea Party doesn't want to give Obama credit. They try to divert into a complex causal analysis. That's what you're doing as well.

214 Olsonist  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:18:01pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Yeah, that's why Obama extended the Bush tax cuts.

215 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:19:11pm

re: #213 Olsonist

That's also not a very good argument. The present popular usage of 99% stems from OWS. Ask the next person walking down the street.

Sure. Where does OWS's usage of the term stem from?

Why so? You don't want to give credit. The Tea Party doesn't want to give Obama credit. They try to divert into a complex causal analysis. That's what you're doing as well.

You really think that the comparison between the planning and execution of an actual military action, and the change in consciousness or thinking or attitude or whatever of a nation, are well-comparable?

The Tea Party doesn't want to give Obama credit because they hate his ass, and can't bear to do it, even though it makes them look like idiots.

You appear to be speculating, likewise, about some reason I don't 'want' to give them credit. You can't bring yourself to give me credit for honestly disagreeing. Why?

216 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:20:21pm

re: #214 Olsonist

Yeah, that's why Obama extended the Bush tax cuts.

He extended the tax cuts because he felt it was likely that Republicans would follow through on their threat to default on the debt.

217 Olsonist  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:21:36pm

re: #215 Obdicut

You are honestly disagreeing. So am I.

BTW, I think the anonymous 28-year-old New York activist named "Chris" was completely unaware of Gore's previous usage. I can't prove that but since he was 28, I'll make that assumption.

218 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:25:54pm

re: #217 Olsonist

You are honestly disagreeing. So am I.

But you're not saying I'm honestly disagreeing. You're saying I don't want to give them credit. Why do you think you know what I want?

BTW, I think the anonymous 28-year-old New York activist named "Chris" was completely unaware of Gore's previous usage. I can't prove that but since he was 28, I'll make that assumption.

Any reason you're not giving credit to Priscilla Grim?

219 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:37:16pm

Personally, I give credit to Brad Neely.*

*This is not intended to be a factual statement.

220 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 12:39:31pm
221 simoom  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 1:00:01pm

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

Want to sell a book? Get into a heated discussion with the President. It worked for Arizona governor Jan Brewer. Sales of her book Scorpions for Breakfast have gone up a whopping 150,398 percent on Amazon.com over the past 24 hours.

Actually, it's 984,617% now :o.

222 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 1:07:16pm

re: #221 simoom

I'm really sick of people using the US political system to sell books.

223 simoom  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 1:32:46pm

re: #221 simoom

Actually, it's 984,617% now :o.

Make that 1,359,747%... sheesh.

224 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 4:37:22pm

Here's what was in the envelope Brewer handed to Obama. It's a .pdf.

It was tweeted by AZ Capitol Times.

It's signed "With respect, Jan".

225 labman57  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:53:33pm

White female governor feels "threatened" by tall, uppity black POTUS. News at 11.

Brewer is just trying to rationalize her irrational, disrespectful behavior to save face. Her core supporters will no doubt be aroused by her stunt, but the vast majority of her constituents are most likely ashamed of their governor right now.

226 Ming  Thu, Jan 26, 2012 8:53:06pm

Saying you have "respect for the office", when the person who holds the office is standing right there, is a clear insult to the person.

That picture, of Jan Brewer pointing her finger at President Obama, is THE DISTILLED ESSENCE of the right-wing id. An angry white woman berates a President of mixed race. A book written about the craziness of the right-wing during these years could easily have that picture on its cover. It's really a classic.

I regret that the picture was taken in Arizona, where I'm typing this comment right now. This is a beautiful state, with many wonderful people. As Alaska proved, even the most beautiful states can have an embarrassment for a governor.

Obama has taken this abuse, day after day, while working hard to rescue the economy, and to move America forward. You can't do that without real love for America. The man is an inspiration.


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