Video: Herman Cain Has a Child Kill a Goldfish
Deeply weird
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Targetpractice Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:06:59pm |
Let us all take a moment to thank the deity of our choice that this nutbar will not be getting near the White House as anything other than a guest for the next 4 years.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:07:33pm |
Can somebody explain to me why Herman Cain is still producing adds and where he got the money them from?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:07:37pm |
have to groom the dog.
He has never killed a goldfish.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:09:30pm |
Cain's "Sick of Stimulus".
No more stimulus for Mr. Cain - he stopped at 9.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:09:43pm |
Uh okay..........So pouring a goldfish on the ground is supposed to make me believe the stimulus is bad why? What a stupid ad from a madman.
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Targetpractice Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:13:18pm |
re: #6 This just in.....
This is your brain on Cain. Any questions?
"How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?"
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:14:17pm |
Mr. Creepsauce, why don't you have a seat over there. This is basically a child crush video, without the crush. What kind of sick, nasty, bizarre little man thinks this kind of shit is appropriate?
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:14:26pm |
re: #7 Targetpractice
"How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?"
//
"Game over, man, game over!"
/
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:15:03pm |
The Walking Derp
The current political climate looks more like a zombie apocalypse all the time. Some hideous disease has spread like wildfire through a large part of the population, sending them on a rampage of destruction and insanity. The rest of us can no longer understand them, we can only try to fight them and survive until we are all infected or the disease has run its course.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:15:45pm |
So the economy was draining away, then fresh water was poured in it to give it time to recover while little girls screamed irrationally?
Yeah, sums up the stimulus and the GOP response.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:16:23pm |
re: #12 Kragar
So the economy was draining away, then fresh water was poured in it to give it time to recover while little girls screamed irrationally?
Yeah, sums up the stimulus and the GOP response.
Is that Jung or Freud?
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jaunte Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:16:41pm |
Cain:
"Why doesn’t economic stimulus work? When it comes in the form of federal spending, it doesn’t work because it’s based on a completely wrong notion of what spurs prosperity. In that respect, it’s much like a drug.
Consider the effects that a stimulant like caffeine has on your body, or even a stronger stimulant like amphetamines. These stimulants merely provide a very temporary boost to your energy – keeping you awake when you should probably be sleeping, or keeping you operating at a high level when you need rest. They make the body act in an unnatural way, and that doesn’t come without consequences."
Sorta like the GI Bill was such a failure.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:18:10pm |
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:19:03pm |
re: #15 jaunte
Cain:
Sorta like the GI Bill was such a failure.
Like when a patient has a heart attack, no doctor would use a stimulant like adrenaline to jolt the system to keep him alive. Thats crazy talk.
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Iwouldprefernotto Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:20:17pm |
re: #15 jaunte
Cain:
Sorta like the GI Bill was such a failure.
And believe it or not, Hoover Dam is still standing.
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jaunte Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:20:23pm |
re: #16 HappyWarrior
In Cainland, saving the US auto industry is like having too many cups of coffee.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:20:57pm |
re: #15 jaunte
Cain:
Sorta like the GI Bill was such a failure.
Well we know what the Republican stimulus has been over the years. Start another war* to keep the military industry machine alive. Which can provide a lot of jobs but another war which now includes nation building with likely a 100 year footprint.
*Note this is not an argument for a "department of peace" either.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:20:59pm |
re: #19 jaunte
In Cainland, saving the US auto industry is like having too many cups of coffee.
Yeah I see that. People thought this guy was presidential caliber, why? 9-9-9 we don't want you as president.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:22:42pm |
re: #15 jaunte
Cain:
Sorta like the GI Bill was such a failure.
I, for one, intend to keep all the money I made as a result of being educated at taxpayer expense, including the GI Bill and my earlier stint in the public schools.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:24:39pm |
re: #15 jaunte
In that respect, it’s much like a drug.
Consider the effects that a stimulant likecaffeineandrostenedione has on your body, or even a stronger stimulant likeamphetaminestestosterone. These stimulants merely provide a very temporary boost to your energy – keeping youawakehorny when you should probably be sleeping, or keeping youoperatinggrabbing ata high levelwomen when you need rest. They make the body act in an unnatural way, and that doesn’t come without consequences."
FTFY.
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:25:18pm |
Why is no one talking about the poor goldfish? Have you no compassion?
This isn't the first stupid ad Cain's made. Who the hell is behind this, Cain or someone in his employ?
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:25:28pm |
The GI Bill was responsible for the scientific and technological advancements we saw during the post-war era. Never before had we had so many college graduates in a variety of fields.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:25:57pm |
re: #25 Gus
The GI Bill was responsible for the scientific and technological advancements we saw during the post-war era. Never before had we had so many college graduates in a variety of fields.
I would upding this a gazillion times but I can only do it once.
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:26:36pm |
re: #26 HappyWarrior
I would upding this a gazillion times but I can only do it once.
If you extra updings, lay some on me.
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Lidane Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:26:39pm |
And I thought Carly Fiorina's demon sheep were weird.
What. The. Fuck.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:27:05pm |
re: #26 HappyWarrior
I would upding this a gazillion times but I can only do it once.
Thanks. It's how we got to the moon.
We can do a roll call of this.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:27:12pm |
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Targetpractice Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:28:58pm |
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:29:11pm |
Air traffic control. Rocket engines. Navigation. Psychology. Medicine. Health. Robotics. Literature. Movies. Art. Civil Engineering. Structural Engineering. Architecture.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:29:38pm |
John Galt would have gotten his degree with the GI Bill and still complained about it.
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Targetpractice Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:30:45pm |
re: #33 Gus
Air traffic control. Rocket engines. Navigation. Psychology. Medicine. Health. Robotics. Literature. Movies. Art. Civil Engineering. Structural Engineering. Architecture.
It was socialism and you know it!!
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jaunte Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:32:26pm |
Herman Cain's adman never studied logical fallacies.
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:33:14pm |
re: #33 Gus
Air traffic control. Rocket engines. Navigation. Psychology. Medicine. Health. Robotics. Literature. Movies. Art. Civil Engineering. Structural Engineering. Architecture.
If god had wanted us to have air traffic control he wouldn't have invented airplanes.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:35:19pm |
re: #37 Targetpractice
Indeed. Most of that stuff is to maintain commerce. Yet all group endeavor are based around a collective akin to socialism. Like the military is in part a socialist system. You can have left wing or right wing forms of socialism. Even center socialist systems. Subsidiaries are forms of socialized capitalism. Banks collectivize monetary systems.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:36:30pm |
re: #38 jaunte
Herman Cain's adman never studied logical fallacies.
He could start be studying himself which is a logical fallacy. Of course that's forbidden in RWNJ world. Thou shalt not criticize thine self!
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Lidane Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:36:38pm |
Given the total meltdown on the right these past few days, this is clearly their new theme song:
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allegro Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:37:36pm |
Well that was... disturbing. Where are the rest of the children of the corn?
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:39:07pm |
re: #42 Gus
He could start be studying himself which is a logical fallacy. Of course that's forbidden in RWNJ world. Thou shalt not criticize thine self!
Thou shalt not be self aware.
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Lidane Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:41:14pm |
re: #45 allegro
Well that was... disturbing. Where are the rest of the children of the corn?
They're all at work cleaning their school. =P
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:42:25pm |
re: #44 jaunte
Plus, Colledge is for snobs.
Sure is! That's weird because during my youth I at one point wanted to go to college and become a fighter pilot and drop bombs in Vietnam. I had a high interest in getting a degree in aeronautical engineering to eventually design military aircraft.
What about West Point, Annapolis, or the AFA? Are they snobs? Most people, regulars, in the military would probably answer in the affirmative.
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Targetpractice Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:43:44pm |
re: #43 Lidane
Given the total meltdown on the right these past few days, this is clearly their new theme song:
[Embedded content]
Nah, I nominate this:
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:45:05pm |
Wow!
What an insightful and deeply thought provoking ad, how could anyone watch that and not be moved?
///(perhaps moved to think that Cain is a lunatic?)
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:47:51pm |
Look up the people working at Livermore, Dryden, Patuxent River, Aberdeen... Some of the people they have on staff are downright geniuses. With university degrees in threes. Snobs?
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b_sharp Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:47:54pm |
re: #51 ausador
Wow!
What an insightful and deeply thought provoking ad, how could anyone watch that and not be moved?
///(perhaps moved to think that Cain is a lunatic?)
I definitely felt something move. Somewhere in the pit of my stomach.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:47:56pm |
And now:
Andrew Breitbart in CPAC Video: 'This Is the Charles Johnson Special'theothermccain.com/2012/03/02/and...ROTFLMAO! #tcot— Robert Stacy McCain (@rsmccain) March 3, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:49:31pm |
re: #8 goddamnedfrank
Mr. Creepsauce, why don't you have a seat over there. This is basically a child crush video, without the crush. What kind of sick, nasty, bizarre little man thinks this kind of shit is appropriate?
The kind of man who'd be copping a feel if the girl were 7 years older*.
*: The above assumes the girl's age as 9 and Cain's HQ being in Georgia (Age of Consent: 16).
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erik_t Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:49:41pm |
re: #28 Lidane
And I thought Carly Fiorina's demon sheep were weird.
What. The. Fuck.
What, Cain's crazy ad? Well, it's not the language I would have used.
/
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jaunte Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:49:52pm |
re: #54 Charles Johnson
That's odd. Not sure why McCain is rolling around laughing about that one.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:50:09pm |
.@rsmccain I hope you realize that I wear your moronic attacks as a badge of honor, you racist piece of shit.— Charles Johnson (@Lizardoid) March 3, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:50:32pm |
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 8:54:25pm |
@rsmccain A) That's fucked up. B) That's creepy.
— Gus (@Gus_802) March 3, 2012
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:08:27pm |
re: #43 Lidane
Given the total meltdown on the right these past few days, this is clearly their new theme song:
[Embedded content]
Sorry I just can't see any My little pony related content now without thinking of my recent horrid discovery of r/clopclop on reddit (ponies + rule 34), followed by finding the *"plot."
*"bronys say that they only watch My Little pony for the plot, so now reddit has a "plot" page with nothing but pony genitalia drawings with such witty captions as "look I found the plot!"
Sigh....
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:09:05pm |
re: #60 Charles Johnson
Looks like you killed the thread, Charles.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:10:25pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:12:59pm |
RT @jimreedphoto: Today's preliminary count now stands at 91 tornadoes in 10 states (source: Storm Prediction Center).— Scientific American (@sciam) March 3, 2012
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:13:33pm |
Going back to the previous thread. Romney has no excuse. Zero. No credibility to begin with. He knows what's going on. He can't fool no one. The right answer for Romney should have been "Rush Limbaugh is lout and scoundrel." I was thinking more like scum bag. But I think this would have done for Thurston Howell. The 3rd.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:19:36pm |
I know. This is about as important as "Dancing with the Stars."
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Targetpractice Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:19:57pm |
re: #69 Gus
Limbaugh is a coward.
Bullies usually are. They always go after targets that can't defend themselves.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:20:07pm |
re: #67 Gus
He can't fool no one.
Tofu has often been used as a substitute, in order to replace meat usually.
It's never fooled anyone.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:20:25pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:22:19pm |
re: #74 HappyWarrior
Limbaugh is Eric Cartman as a grown man.
But without Stan, Kyle, and Kenny to moderate some of his worst excesses.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:22:27pm |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:23:12pm |
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:25:39pm |
re: #74 HappyWarrior
Limbaugh is Eric Cartman as a grown man.
Indeed. Thoughts on Limbaugh now: a) he was probably bullied as a child -- given his body type; and b) he proves that you can be a complete idiot and still attain massive amounts of wealth. There are others.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:28:03pm |
re: #78 Gus
Indeed. Thoughts on Limbaugh now: a) he was probably bullied as a child -- given his body type; and b) he proves that you can be a complete idiot and still attain massive amounts of wealth. There are others.
You mean like the cast of Jersey Shore for your case B yes?
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:28:09pm |
Jon Huntsman was the only rational candidate for the GOP. The rest of the field was nuts. Even Huntsman skirted on being nuts. George Will was correct. Obama wins. Thank goodness.
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Targetpractice Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:29:02pm |
re: #80 Gus
Jon Huntsman was the only rational candidate for the GOP. The rest of the field was nuts. Even Huntsman skirted on being nuts. George Will was correct. Obama wins. Thank goodness.
That's assuming a lot of things, chief among them that the economy continues to improve without any major economic catastrophes.
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Targetpractice Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:32:59pm |
re: #82 Gus
Limbaugh needs to go down.
It's possible he will. Though it's just as possible that folks will do as they have with his previous comments, i.e. spend a few days "outraged," then quietly go back to ignoring him.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:34:35pm |
Who knows what will happen with Limbaugh. I just hope this exposes more people to what a shitbag he is.
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Gus Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:35:15pm |
re: #83 Targetpractice
It's possible he will. Though it's just as possible that folks will do as they have with his previous comments, i.e. spend a few days "outraged," then quietly go back to ignoring him.
He needs to feel it. The man is a piece of shit.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:40:20pm |
Rush really is a disgusting pig
Transcript
And thus, a new welfare entitlement must be created so that society will pay for it. You know, somebody asked me, "Why are you so insulting?" Me? Can anybody understand that a whole lot of us are insulted by this? Here we are, we're minding our business one day. We're bothering nobody. We can't anyway! We can't inspect your kids' lunch box. We can't raise your taxes. We can't send your kids off to war. We can't make you buy a certain kind of car. We can't do anything. And all of a sudden we're told that people who want to have sex without consequence, sex with no responsibility, and we have pay for it! We're told we have to pay for it -- and if we object, that somehow we're Neanderthal. Just out of nowhere this comes up.
Now, that, to me, is insulting.
It's no different than if somebody that I don't know knocked on my door and said, "You know what? I'm outta money. I can't afford birth control pills and I'm supposed to have sex with three guys tonight."
"Well, why are you coming to me?"
"Well, because you've got the money."
"Well, have you ever thought maybe you shouldn't? If you can't afford it, you can't do it."
Where is it written that all of a sudden, if you want something and don't have the money for it, somebody else has to pay for it. I think the whole notion of being insulted here is misplaced. There are a lot of us insulted by this whole idea that is growing throughout the Obama administration, that the people who make this country work are somehow not doing their fair share. Not paying their fair share. We've gotta be punished even more. And here's the latest example of it. So the President has called her and asked her if she's all right. She said she was, I hope. Do we know what she said? (interruption) Oh, she told that to Andrea Mitchell? You know, I offered to pay for aspirins. I thought I'd been quite compassionate here.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:41:27pm |
re: #86 Kragar
Rush really is a disgusting pig
Transcript
I really expect nothing more form that loser.
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erik_t Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:44:09pm |
re: #86 Kragar
Rush really is a disgusting pig
Transcript
I'll go ahead and scroll on by, if it's all the same to you. I have enough stress and frustration in my life without doing that dipshit the honor of reading his verbal diarrhea.
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:45:11pm |
Well, got to log, we're having a scheduled power outage while they work on the grid tonight starting in about 15 minutes
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Interesting Times Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:46:44pm |
re: #85 Gus
He needs to feel it. The man is a piece of shit.
And WindUpBird is right - hang him around the necks of the GOP. Low-info/normally apathetic voters need it drilled into their heads that Limbaugh = GOP = stone-age misogyny. Even if I had some kind of ironclad guarantee Obama will win, it's not enough - the GOP must be kept out of the Senate and kicked out of the House before anything has any hope of getting better.
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JamesWI Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:48:45pm |
re: #70 Gus
I know. This is about as important as "Dancing with the Stars."
//
As I said on there after the thread went dead, Killgore must have found some evidence that Fluke was part of OWS, what with how he's defending Rush against people who want advertisers to drop him, and defending Romney for failing to criticize Rush.
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BongCrodny Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:53:54pm |
re: #18 Iwouldprefernotto
And believe it or not, Hoover Dam is still standing.
When I took the tour of Hoover Dam a few years back, they said that such a project could not be built today -- it would cost too much money.
It's a good thing somebody had the foresight to invest in the project back then. Gee, I wonder who that could have been?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:56:02pm |
re: #92 BongCrodny
When I took the tour of Hoover Dam a few years back, they said that such a project could not be built today -- it would cost too much money.
It's a good thing somebody had the foresight to invest in the project back then. Gee, I wonder who that could have been?
Not really needed today. A nuclear plant could produce far more energy at less construction cost and less environmental impact (as long as the waste is safely stored) than a giant dam.
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erik_t Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:57:10pm |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
Not really needed today. A nuclear plant could produce far more energy at less construction cost and less environmental impact (as long as the waste is safely stored) than a giant dam.
Let me know when you invent a nuclear plant that can stop floods and facilitate irrigation and agriculture.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 2, 2012 9:59:48pm |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
Are you familiar with what is happening right now in Japan?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:01:19pm |
re: #94 erik_t
Let me know when you invent a nuclear plant that can stop floods and facilitate irrigation and agriculture.
Let me know how good the Hoover Dam was for the Colorado River. Oh that's right, it wasn't. And that just leads to the good part: Much the reason for the higher cost of building a dam today is thanks to endless and destructive litigation from left-wing Luddites. But left wing fools aren't something Rachel Maddow can talk about as much, given her viewer demographics.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:02:33pm |
re: #95 freetoken
Are you familiar with what is happening right now in Japan?
Yep. I also know it not would happen if the plant that the tsunami hit was one of the modern designs about to be approved.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:03:09pm |
re: #85 Gus
He needs to feel it. The man is a piece of shit.
The GOP needs to feel it, the whole party is a piece of shit
Any party that allows themselves to be controlled by this man should be destroyed
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BongCrodny Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:03:25pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
Let me know how good the Hoover Dam was for the Colorado River. Oh that's right, it wasn't. And that just leads to the good part: Much the reason for the higher cost of building a dam today is thanks to endless and destructive litigation from left-wing Luddites. But left wing fools aren't something Rachel Maddow can talk about as much, given her viewer demographics.
So you mention in one post about the serious environmental impact (completely agree here) and then in the very next complain about the people who (perhaps futilely) seek to mitigate such damage?
Wow.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:04:12pm |
re: #98 windupbird is in the gravity well
The GOP needs to feel it, the whole party is a piece of shit
Any party that allows themselves to be controlled by this man should be destroyed
Says a lot about them honestly.
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erik_t Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:04:45pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
I... uh. You just, uh, you just keep doin' your thing, man.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:09:01pm |
re: #99 BongCrodny
So you mention in one post about the serious environmental impact (completely agree here) and then in the very next complain about the people who (perhaps futilely) seek to mitigate such damage?
Wow.
If they really sought to prevent damage, I wouldn't be so hostile. But the rhetoric and behavior of too many on the environmentalist left leads me to conclude they actually just hate electricity generation.
Don't ask me for examples, they aren't forthcoming. I've drawn my conclusion and I'm sticking to it.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:09:45pm |
re: #97 Dark_Falcon
Yep. I also know it noy would happen if the plant that the tsunami hit was one of the modern designs about to be approved.
Other nuclear plants in Japan are now being closed down. Japan is in a state of crisis.
The perfection of nuclear energy looks good on paper, but in reality is has proven to have very long disastrous consequences, mostly because the long term costs were way underestimated.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:10:51pm |
What a sad day...The destructive power of Mother Nature always puts me in awe.A small town in indiana got wiped off the face of the earth today.
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SidewaysQuark Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:12:25pm |
The only thing preventing this from being the perfect Herman Cain ad is that the little girl didn't take a cigarette drag at the end.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:14:36pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
I wouldn't trust republicans on US infrastructure of any kind further than I could throw them
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SidewaysQuark Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:14:59pm |
re: #103 freetoken
Other nuclear plants in Japan are now being closed down. Japan is in a state of crisis.
The perfection of nuclear energy looks good on paper, but in reality is has proven to have very long disastrous consequences, mostly because the long term costs were way underestimated.
The biggest "crisis" in nuclear power generation is people's overreaction to it.
The lesson I learned from the Japanese earthquake and Fukushima is that if there's an earthquake, it's much safer to live near a nuclear power plant than it is to live near the beach.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:15:03pm |
Tonight's edition of This Is America comes to us from Tulsa, in yet another letter-to-the-editor:
By Michael Galazin, Broken Arrow
Published: 3/2/2012 2:27 AM
Last Modified: 3/2/2012 3:45 AMDid all organisms evolve over time from a common ancestor, a single-celled organism? Charles Darwin said that his hypothesis of evolution would be proved or disproved by the fossil record.
Instead of housing an orderly progression of organisms in successive layers, the fossil record reveals a sudden, simultaneous explosion of life forms. Simple fungi, arthropods, dinosaurs and humans (yes, humans!) show up together in the same rock stratum in Glen Rose, Texas. [No, this is just wrong, and the footprints are a hoax.]
Meanwhile, significant transitional-life-form fossils remain undiscovered. It only takes one observation of fact to disprove a hypothesis, no matter how beloved that hypothesis might be.
Darwin's hypothesis is disproven. Flora and fauna did not evolve gradually over millions of years. Yet the intelligentsia and the local newspaper editors howl about any attempts to teach this fact to schoolchildren. Why? Because they fear the alternative?
This is America.
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SidewaysQuark Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:16:33pm |
re: #108 freetoken
Tonight's edition of This Is America comes to us from Tulsa, in yet another letter-to-the-editor:
This is America.
How many freaking transitional fossils do we have to find before we "don't have any" any more?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:16:40pm |
Also OT why the fuck isn't this guy in jail for felony assault [Link: boston.cbslocal.com...]
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Lidane Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:19:28pm |
re: #109 SidewaysQuark
How many freaking transitional fossils do we have to find before we "don't have any" any more?
Doesn't matter. We could have a perfectly unbroken lineage spanning millions of years and these idiots would still doubt Darwin.
Anything that threatens their weak faith in a mythical sky father must be rejected at all costs.
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BongCrodny Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:19:52pm |
re: #107 SidewaysQuark
The biggest "crisis" in nuclear power generation is people's overreaction to it.
The lesson I learned from the Japanese earthquake and Fukushima is that if there's an earthquake, it's much safer to live near a nuclear power plant than it is to live near the beach.
"A Russian publication, Chernobyl, concludes that 985,000 premature cancer deaths occurred worldwide between 1986 and 2004 as a result of radioactive contamination from Chernobyl." -- Wikipedia
I don't really want to get into a tug of war about nuclear power; I understand the need and desire for cheap energy -- but I think downplaying the potential effects can be awfully dangerous.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:21:25pm |
re: #104 HoosierHoops
What a sad day...The destructive power of Mother Nature always puts me in awe.A small town in indiana got wiped off the face of the earth today.
I just checked the map--I have two old friends living at the border of the tornadoes. I hope they're okay.
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engineer cat Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:26:43pm |
2001 a space odessey it's gotten a bit dated after 45 years the people speak in an old fashioned way and the furniture is all what we used call swedish "modern" whatcha now call "mid century" but the mise en scene is so wonderful it's a deelite
the modern-est of the music turns out to be ligeti i'll have to hear moar i'm not too up on the 12 tone era and following 20th cen styles...
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engineer cat Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:32:21pm |
i remember the 20th cen i grew up there in them old mid century times i miss it the future ain't what it useta be yanno i kin tell ya that buster
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:33:56pm |
re: #113 To hold my temper, most of the time.
I just checked the map--I have two old friends living at the border of the tornadoes. I hope they're okay.
It's a sad day. I'm afraid we will have to continue to endure these spitballs from Mother Nature all year.
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SidewaysQuark Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:35:49pm |
re: #112 BongCrodny
"A Russian publication, Chernobyl, concludes that 985,000 premature cancer deaths occurred worldwide between 1986 and 2004 as a result of radioactive contamination from Chernobyl." -- Wikipedia
I don't really want to get into a tug of war about nuclear power; I understand the need and desire for cheap energy -- but I think downplaying the potential effects can be awfully dangerous.
Chernobyl was quite a different beast, and genuinely the only true nuclear DISASTER we've ever really had. I don't downplay the dangers of nuclear power; one has to be careful with the beast. But, the payoff vs. risk (especially regarding modern reactors) is well worth it compared to other energy sources, in my opinion.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:37:01pm |
re: #114 engineer cat
2001 a space odessey it's gotten a bit dated after 45 years the people speak in an old fashioned way and the furniture is all what we used call swedish "modern" whatcha now call "mid century" but the mise en scene is so wonderful it's a deelite
the modern-est of the music turns out to be ligeti i'll have to hear moar i'm not too up on the 12 tone era and following 20th cen styles...
My mom has a Swedish modern living room set in her basement from when she was young. I have Danish blonde pecan for a dining table set, but it's from 1957, before the 60's. I inherited it from my grandma.
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SidewaysQuark Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:37:40pm |
re: #111 Lidane
Doesn't matter. We could have a perfectly unbroken lineage spanning millions of years and these idiots would still doubt Darwin.
Anything that threatens their weak faith in a mythical sky father must be rejected at all costs.
Yes, yes. We literally have thousands of transitional fossils. A two-word search on wiki reveals a few hundred well-documented ones. I know, when it comes to fundies, reason and data are null and void.
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engineer cat Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:42:28pm |
re: #118 prairiefire
My mom has a Swedish modern living room set in her basement from when she was young. I have Danish blonde pecan for a dining table set, but it's from 1957, before the 60's. I inherited it from my grandma.
it's fashionable now - there's entire stores specializing in it like in valencia st nr 16th in san francisco
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:50:07pm |
re: #120 engineer cat
it's fashionable now - there's entire stores specializing in it like in valencia st nr 16th in san francisco
If my mom's set was not wracked with mold, she might have been able to make some coin with it. Gah, those sharp corners on the arm rests. And the cushions would always slip off.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:50:19pm |
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 10:58:49pm |
Well, looks like the power is back up, only lost it for about 20 minutes. Hoping they don't cut it again tonight.
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dragonath Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:00:46pm |
There were a lot of (mostly) pretty good German radio consoles that had that whole Danish Modern look going on. It's not suprising that they seem to be back in demand as TV stands now.
Wish I woulda kept my Blaupunkt "Radio Bar" in better condition. The selenium rectifier on the thing blew up and the pressboard body is slowly flaking away.
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freetoken Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:01:22pm |
Some dramatic images from one of the Indiana tornadoes:
[Link: www.thefaceofastorm.com...]
The blog owner did some curve work to up the contrast of inherently low contrast images, and made the images quite dramatic.
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prairiefire Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:12:27pm |
re: #124 Beware the Green Dragon!
"Blaupunkt". I love that word and I have not heard in a while!
Night, lizards.
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Digital Display Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:15:23pm |
re: #125 freetoken
Some dramatic images from one of the Indiana tornadoes:
[Link: www.thefaceofastorm.com...]
The blog owner did some curve work to up the contrast of inherently low contrast images, and made the images quite dramatic.
I called Paulie in Indiana this morning and asked how everyone was knowing Hell was about to descend upon them.. They had 2 hail storms and were waiting with the weather channel on..My Peeps are ok but I had to say a prayer for all the lost life today in Hoosierland..
You are living your life and dreams and making your way to a happy and full life in a small town and then the next minute your town doesn't exist anymore..In fact the fucking cops couldn't find it this afternoon..Just gone..Your life just blinks out on a Friday..It is stunning the power of Nature..Man I'm bummed..And really pissed off..
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Kragar Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:17:51pm |
re: #126 prairiefire
"Blaupunkt". I love that word and I have not heard in a while!
Night, lizards.
9 Foreign Words the English Language Desperately Needs
My favorite: #6. Gadrii Nombor Shulen Jongu (Tibetan)
Means:
Giving an answer that is unrelated to the question.
"Gadrii nombor shulen jongu" translates literally to "giving a green answer to a blue question," and you won't find a gushier spring of it than in political debates. It sounds like this:
Moderator: How do you respond to allegations that you funneled federal grant money into your string of underground toddler fighting arenas?
Candidate: You know, I really can't believe we're focusing on this silly "scandal" when what Americans are really worried about is jobs.
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engineer cat Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:25:55pm |
re: #128 Kragar
that's a really kuhl article
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:28:45pm |
re: #121 prairiefire
If my mom's set was not wracked with mold, she might have been able to make some coin with it. Gah, those sharp corners on the arm rests. And the cushions would always slip off.
Mold can sometimes be killed. It might be worth looking into treatments for the set.
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CriticalDragon1177 Fri, Mar 2, 2012 11:54:20pm |
Charles Johnson,
Well if you think about it, it definitely gets his point across.
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:12:56am |
Well good..It's 2am and a dead thread..For the last couple of weeks I've been posting about falling head over heels for a lady here..
So Saturday night we are going out to dinner and some dancing then to her house for the night..This is it Lizards..I'm planning it all out in my mind yet I never saw this coming..So how do you plan?
So..When we leave the club and stop to buy a bottle of wine before going to her place I'm changing things up..( listen up guys )..
We are just going to browse the wine racks...I'm going to tell stories...Look..You can take a tram up to Sterling and sit overlooking the whole Valley..Beautiful view..I grew up in the most exclusive Valley in the world and can talk wine snob shit with the best of them..I want to enjoy time with her..Not buy a bottle of booze in 2 minutes and go fuck..She is special..I love talking with her..I want to give her a tour of the most beautiful place on earth..Napa.. I'm fucking falling in love folks..I post here in the middle of the night cause I have to say something somewhere...How can this happen? Remember a couple of years ago I was supposed to move to Singapore then I end up in Oklahoma? What the
Hell..I'm pretty happy
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freetoken Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:23:55am |
Joe Turner, 1946, perhaps being a bit too suggestive for the proper folk, with "My Gal's a Jockey" :
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sagehen Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:27:55am |
re: #132 HoosierHoops
Don't forget to bring flowers (if you don't know her favorite kind, then get the ones that are the same color as her eyes, her hair, or the dress she was wearing the first time you laid eyes on her).
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 2:51:31am |
"The goldfish is fine", says the YT description.
Also, it seems I've missed this lame ad:
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 3:37:47am |
Morning all. It's nice to see the Goldfish found another gig:
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 3:49:37am |
re: #140 RogueOne
One thing led to another...
Found lots of stuff I used to watch on MTV in 1990s.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 3:59:09am |
Classic :)
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:06:16am |
re: #142 The Ineffable Name
That was awful and I think I might be offended. To whom should I send the strongly worded letter?
This, OTOH, is really classic:
I hate everything about you:
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:08:22am |
re: #143 RogueOne
That was awful and I think I might be offended.
Doesn't make it less of a 1990s classic! ;)
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:13:24am |
re: #144 The Ineffable Name
I had never heard that song or that group before this morning. I guess I got lucky//
I did see both Ugly Kid Joe and Faith No More live though.
This is what I'm listening to this morning:
New Medicine:
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:16:13am |
re: #145 RogueOne
Catchy.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:19:26am |
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:25:21am |
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:45:49am |
Guantanamo torture:
[Link: www.memri.org...]
They Gave Us "Cornflakes and Yogurt" For Breakfast – When "We Want Falafel and Broad Beans"
Oh, the humanity.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:47:50am |
re: #149 RogueOne
Sorry to downding, but torture is no laughing matter. Nobody presented this as torture.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:51:04am |
Usually MEMRI cherrypicks outrageous outrages from those Arabic channels. So I'm not sure where they're going with this one:
[Link: www.memri.org...]
Oh no, killing Assad is so bad!/ ?
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:52:07am |
re: #150 The Ineffable Name
Sorry to downding, but torture is no laughing matter. Nobody presented this as torture.
I obviously disagree. I presented it as torture and I thought it was funny. The way I see it, you're 0 for 2.
If you watch the video the chubby bastard was complaining about not having enough to eat and obviously thought it was funny too.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:53:16am |
re: #152 RogueOne
It has nothing to do with whether there is or was torture at Gitmo. You're obviously presenting it as the worst that happens there.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:53:29am |
re: #151 The Ineffable Name
I don't think the folks at MEMRI would be all that hurt if Assad woke up dead.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:54:30am |
re: #154 RogueOne
I don't think the folks at MEMRI would be all that hurt if Assad woke up dead.
So, what's their point then? I suspect they want Assad to stay after what happened in Egypt, Libya etc.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:56:18am |
re: #153 The Ineffable Name
It has nothing to do with whether there is or was torture at Gitmo. You're obviously presenting it as the worst that happens there.
No I'm not. I'm having a little fun with a guy who was complaining about the food at Guantanamo. It looks to me like both bush and obama tried to take his best interests at heart when they released him..... And judging by his chubbiness, he could use a diet rich in total flakes and yogurt.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:57:51am |
re: #155 The Ineffable Name
Why do they have to have a point? They put up a clip where some egyptian clerics think Assad should die. I hardly think that's a controversial view. I happen to think he should die too....and after he's dead they should dig up his dad and kick his corpse around for awhile too.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:58:00am |
re: #156 RogueOne
No I'm not. I'm having a little fun with a guy who was complaining about the food at Guantanamo.
OK, I'll take your word for it. It didn't look like that, though.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:58:38am |
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 4:59:19am |
re: #158 The Ineffable Name
OK, I'll take your word for it. It didn't look like that, though.
I let his comments about the ability and intellect of US soldiers completely slide. If I was going to be "outraged" about anything it would have been with those comments.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:02:59am |
re: #160 RogueOne
That is irrelevant to the issue at hand. I'm talking about what you've written, not about what you have not written.
Obviously, I also read that comment in light of your previous minimization stance (you claimed, and not once, that waterboarding is not torture).
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:04:59am |
re: #161 RogueOne
+1 for the "duh".
Yeah, what about the substance? If you know anything about MEMRI, you know they're not putting out random clips of people saying stuff.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:09:14am |
re: #162 The Ineffable Name
That is irrelevant to the issue at hand. I'm talking about what you've written, not about what you have not written.
Obviously, I also read that comment in light of your previous minimization stance (you claimed, and not once, that waterboarding is not torture).
Although I disagree, I think there is an honest argument to be made that waterboarding is torture. I also think there is a decent argument to be made that some of the tactics used in the interrogations might not be the best methods available but to call stress positions, loud music, sleep deprivation, and turning up the AC "torture" is a major stretch.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:13:10am |
re: #164 RogueOne
Thank you for confirming your minimization (or denial) stance. Which is why I was justified in interpreting your #149 as I did.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:16:17am |
re: #163 The Ineffable Name
Yeah, what about the substance? If you know anything about MEMRI, you know they're not putting out random clips of people saying stuff.
I don't think MEMRI has to look very hard to come up with the majority of their videos. I don't think it's "cherrypicking" when the views expressed are the majority view in the ME. I've always suggested people take a variation of gods challenge to Lot. Take the opportunity to travel to Saudi and see for themselves what the average saud believes and see if they can find 50 people who don't blame the jews for the majority of the worlds problems. People should go themselves and make up their own minds. Unless, of course, they're female or Jewish.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:18:25am |
re: #166 RogueOne
That is a reply to my comment how? Why are you moving goalposts from the specific video about Assad to general topics?
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:18:47am |
re: #165 The Ineffable Name
Denial? Are you saying the opposing view from yours isn't an honest disagreement?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:19:06am |
re: #168 RogueOne
Denial? Are you saying the opposing view from yours isn't an honest disagreement?
No, I'm not saying that.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:19:32am |
re: #167 The Ineffable Name
That is a reply to my comment how? Why are you moving goalposts from the specific video about Assad to general topics?
You said they cherrypick. I said they don't because there isn't any need. How is that moving goalposts?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:19:48am |
re: #168 RogueOne
Denial? Are you saying the opposing view from yours isn't an honest disagreement?
I'm sure you're honest in your denial of the fact that waterboarding is torture.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:20:24am |
re: #170 RogueOne
You said they cherrypick. I said they don't because there isn't any need. How is that moving goalposts?
You're trying to chase red herrings again. We were discussing Assad.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:20:30am |
re: #171 The Ineffable Name
I'm sure you're honest in your denial of the fact that waterboarding is torture.
Ha!
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:21:26am |
re: #172 The Ineffable Name
You're trying to chase red herrings again. We were discussing Assad.
My bad. I thought your point was "they cherrypick". If not, I'm unsure why you think they have ulterior motives in displaying the assad video.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:22:29am |
re: #174 RogueOne
My bad. I thought your point was "they cherrypick". If not, I'm unsure why you think they have ulterior motives in displaying the assad video.
No, cherrypicking was a statement of fact, not the "point". The point is that they don't display random videos of people saying stuff. You're trying to confuse very clear things again.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:24:37am |
re: #175 The Ineffable Name
I'm not trying to confuse anything, you're trying to confuse me! I'll put my statement in a question to help out....Why do you think MEMRI has an ulterior motive in displaying the Assad should die video if we both believe (which I think we do) that it's the majority view of the ME and probably quite a wide spread feeling around the world?
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:26:11am |
re: #175 The Ineffable Name
No, cherrypicking was a statement of fact, not the "point".
For the record I'm not in agreement with that as a statement of "fact".
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:28:06am |
More cherrypicking?
Ali Abd Al-Fattah, a Muslim Brotherhood Leader in Egypt: The Time Will Come When 'the Accursed Jews Will Return to Wherever They Came from and the Arab Land Will Be Completely Cleansed of Zionist Filth'
[Link: www.thememriblog.org...]
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:28:47am |
re: #176 RogueOne
Because they don't put random stuff on their site. Their clips always have a specifc political point to make, which relates to some people's views on Israel, US, Jews, democracy, etc. (Mostly controversial.)
Therefore, the clip about Assad must also be there to make some point or another in that vein. I asked what that point could be.
I really don't see what is not clear about this.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:31:04am |
re: #178 RogueOne
They are cherrypicking negative views for their site. That's not really controversial. You may love it or hate it, but it's just a fact.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:31:51am |
re: #177 RogueOne
You're not in agreement with a lot of facts, yes.
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sagehen Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:34:08am |
re: #164 RogueOne
Although I disagree, I think there is an honest argument to be made that waterboarding is torture. I also think there is a decent argument to be made that some of the tactics used in the interrogations might not be the best methods available but to call stress positions, loud music, sleep deprivation, and turning up the AC "torture" is a major stretch.
We called it torture when the Vietnamese did it to John McCain.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:35:32am |
re: #179 The Ineffable Name
Because they don't put random stuff on their site. Their clips always have a specifc political point to make, which relates to some people's views on Israel, US, Jews, democracy, etc. (Mostly controversial.)
Therefore, the clip about Assad must also be there to make some point or another in that vein. I asked what that point could be.
I really don't see what is not clear about this.
I'm trying to figure out where we're in disagreement and the only thing I can find is..."because they don't put random stuff on their site" which sounds to me like an argument that they cherrypick.
What point do you think they're trying to make re: Assad? You're the one making the implication that there has to be an ulterior motive on their part but I'm not seeing where the controversy is in that video.
| 184 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:37:33am |
re: #183 RogueOne
but I'm not seeing where the controversy is in that video.
You don't see how you're shooting yourself in the foot? MEMRI does not deal with non-controversy. That is the entire point.
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darthstar Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:40:21am |
Good morning...oh dear...are people trying to find meaning on the internet again?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:40:42am |
re: #183 RogueOne
Also, "don't put random stuff on their site" and "cherrypick" are related but not synonymous. One can agree with the former while disagreeing with the latter.
I really don't see how you can disagree with the former though, unless you're saying that they do just put random stuff from Arabic channels on their site, not united by an overarching theme.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:45:31am |
Maddie the coonhound likes standing on things:
[Link: laughingsquid.com...]
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:47:03am |
re: #182 sagehen
McCain wasn't waterboarded and was left permanently disabled by his treatment. The 3 people we waterboarded were left completely healthy. When KSM gets the DP for his crimes are we going to call that torture too?
Lastly, I'll point out that waterboarding still hasn't been officially made illegal. They put a stop to it with an executive order that limits interrogations to the Army FM but contains a loophole big enough to pass a water buffalo through..."unless the Attorney General with appropriate consultation provides further guidance." In other words, "we'll never do it again.....unless it's realllly needed."
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:47:53am |
re: #189 RogueOne
Whether or not someone is damaged is absolutely and completely irrelevant to whether what was done to them was torture. Completely stupid red herring.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:47:59am |
re: #184 The Ineffable Name
You don't see how you're shooting yourself in the foot? MEMRI does not deal with non-controversy. That is the entire point.
We're going in circles here.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:48:48am |
re: #189 RogueOne
Except lasting consequences for physical health are not in the definition of torture, and you don't get to get your own definition. DP is torture if it is painful.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:50:04am |
re: #191 RogueOne
We're going in circles here.
You're going in circles while I stand in one place. My position is quite clear. Regardless of what you think of MEMRI's aims, their clips have a message. Thus it is only natural to wonder what the message behind the Assad clip is.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:50:13am |
Honestly, I was only making fun of a chubby guy complaining about having to eat yogurt instead of broad beans. I wasn't trying to throw open the gates and completely rehash the torture argument. I take it all back!
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darthstar Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:50:28am |
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:51:31am |
re: #193 The Ineffable Name
You're going in circles while I stand in one place. My position is quite clear. Regardless of what you think of MEMRI's aims, their clips have a message. Thus it is only natural to wonder what the message behind the Assad clip is.
I disagree. You made the claim that MEMRI has an ulterior motive without explaining what that motive might be. Until you can come up with something we'll continue to wander in circles.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:51:38am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 5:54:38am |
re: #196 RogueOne
I disagree. You made the claim that MEMRI has an ulterior motive without explaining what that motive might be. Until you can come up with something we'll continue to wander in circles.
False, of course. First of all, I don't have to provide their motive since the very thing I did was to ask what their motive may be. I'm the asker, not the answerer in this situation.
Second, I did provide a hypothesis in #155.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:01:03am |
re: #198 The Ineffable Name
False, of course. First of all, I don't have to provide their motive since the very thing I did was to ask what their motive may be. I'm the asker, not the answerer in this situation.
Isn't that the "I'm just asking questions" argument? If you're going to imply they have an ulterior motive then I think you have an obligation to suggest what that motive might be.
Second, I did provide a hypothesis in #155.
You're correct, you did and I missed it. I think you might be reading between the lines to much. As I stated previously (I can do that too), I don't see anything in the video they posted that's controversial and I don't see anything in their previous statements that would suggest they think Assad should be left in power alive.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:04:29am |
As for MEMRI's cherrypicking - which is a separate topic from their Assad clip - first of all, it is called "Middle East Media Research Institute", yet it doesn't provide clips and articles from Israeli media - as if Israel wasn't in the Middle East. This alone shows that yes, it is cherrypicking. Just by definition. Second, one would expect an org called Middle East Media Research Institute to give an objective look at ME media. I'm not saying that the clips they post are not bad. Some of them are good to know. But a constant barrage of hateful clips taken from any and all sources, that give the impression that this is the entirety of the Arabic/Islamic media, is not what one would expect from a real research institute. Where's any sort of analysis, as in, what percentage do hateful messages constitute in ME media, what percentage is given to neutral stuff, what percentage to positive stuff, etc. - well, the usual research. That's not what happens here. What happens is cherrypicking.
Again, not saying some of this stuff is not good to know. Just let's call it what it is.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:06:50am |
re: #199 RogueOne
You're just going in circles. What is the purpose of them translating this clip?
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:10:18am |
re: #202 The Ineffable Name
You're just going in circles. What is the purpose of them translating this clip?
Good morning. Just to comment on Memri, they disseminate what the mainstream doesn't because the latter would be accused of religious intolerance, rightly or wrongly.
Fox news is biased, MSNBC is biased, Memri is biased. So what?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:12:14am |
re: #203 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang
Oh, sure. They just shouldn't call themselves fair and balanced Middle East Media Research Institute.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:16:15am |
re: #202 The Ineffable Name
You're just going in circles. What is the purpose of them translating this clip?
I don't know, maybe because they thought people would find it interesting? Why would they translate the yogurt/broad bean interview? Do you think they believe u.s. soldiers really are Rambo? I don't see anything controversial in either but both I found interesting. Have you considered that maybe your distaste of MEMRI might be making you look for something that might not be there?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:21:13am |
re: #205 RogueOne
Why would they translate the yogurt/broad bean interview? Do you think they believe u.s. soldiers really are Rambo?
Wow, way to go, my friend. One of the biggest strawmen I've seen.
It is obvious why America-bashing Arabic clip is translated by MEMRI. Because that's what they usually do.
Have you considered that maybe your distaste of MEMRI might be making you look for something that might not be there?
Since my question is based on assumptions that are easily verifiable, and not mere wild hunches, going into an ad hominem mode isn't really necessary. You may continue this way, or you may stick to factual side of the case.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:23:14am |
re: #203 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang
Good morning. Just to comment on Memri, they disseminate what the mainstream doesn't because the latter would be accused of religious intolerance, rightly or wrongly.
Fox news is biased, MSNBC is biased, Memri is biased. So what?
If the mainstream media took the time to explore every anti-american, anti-jew, anti-female, anti-homosexual statement made on ME tv when would they find the time to cover the important issues of the day like when and how we're going to attack Iran?
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:25:31am |
re: #204 The Ineffable Name
Oh, sure. They just shouldn't call themselves
fair and balancedMiddle East Media Research Institute.
Picky picky. Balanced doesn't mean that all sides in an issue are equal. I'm not sure what "fair" means except "don't make shit up".
In my experience MEMRI just translates and distributes exactly what happened. That they focus on Muslim extremism that appears to be mainstream is not unfair.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:26:32am |
re: #206 The Ineffable Name
Wow, way to go, my friend. One of the biggest strawmen I've seen.
It is obvious why America-bashing Arabic clip is translated by MEMRI. Because that's what they usually do.
Since my question is based on assumptions that are easily verifiable, and not mere wild hunches, going into an ad hominem mode isn't really necessary. You may continue this way, or you may stick to factual side of the case.
No strawman, no ad hominem and absolutely no ill-will. To be honest I don't even understand what we're arguing about anymore. The only thing I can figure is you obviously have strong feelings about MEMRI that I don't share. I don't see any harm in either of those 2 videos we discussed and I don't see any possible ulterior motives on their part for displaying them. You obviously don't agree. No harm, no foul.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:26:46am |
re: #207 RogueOne
If the mainstream media took the time to explore every anti-american, anti-jew, anti-female, anti-homosexual statement made on ME tv when would they find the time to cover the important issues of the day like when and how we're going to attack Iran?
True. If Fox (sorry key slip).
If Fox explored every moonbat Republican gaf they wouldn't have time to make excuses for them.//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:28:46am |
re: #208 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang
Picky picky. Balanced doesn't mean that all sides in an issue are equal. I'm not sure what "fair" means except "don't make shit up".
Is this a response to any non-deleted text I wrote? Nope.
In my experience MEMRI just translates and distributes exactly what happened. That they focus on Muslim extremism that appears to be mainstream is not unfair.
Actually, that's not true too. Their translations should be taken with a grain of salt.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
But that's not the point. They're not a research institute, and they're not about Middle East.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:30:44am |
re: #209 RogueOne
To be honest I don't even understand what we're arguing about anymore.
Strange, that. Well, I do. But since you refuse to address the actual arguments, instead of engaging in amateur psychoanalysis, I'm dropping this.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:33:21am |
When and if they rename themselves into "Exposing Scary Beardos That Say Wacky And/Or Hateful Stuff In Middle-Eastern Media (Except Israel)", I may even support them.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:37:02am |
re: #212 The Ineffable Name
Strange, that. Well, I do. But since you refuse to address the actual arguments, instead of engaging in amateur psychoanalysis, I'm dropping this.
I think that's a bit unfair. I've been trying from the beginning to figure out what your issue was with the MEMRI Assad video. You're the one who said they only post stuff to make a point and then you suggested the point could be they want Assad to remain alive and in power without supplying anything to back that assertion. Isn't suggesting MEMRI has an ulterior motive for posting those videos engaging in "amateur psychoanalysis"?
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:38:31am |
re: #214 RogueOne
You seriously think that MEMRI is an agenda-less organization?
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:40:32am |
re: #211 The Ineffable Name
Is this a response to any non-deleted text I wrote? Nope.
Actually, that's not true too. They're translations should be taken with a grain of salt.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
But that's not the point. They're not a research institute, and they're not about Middle East.
OK. I can't judge the translations (can you?) and I see more distribution than research, but I've heard enough of the same spoken in English to know that the attitudes are true. I don't see the point in your problem with the word "research", the latter can also mean "find and compile".
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:43:12am |
re: #215 Obdicut
You seriously think that MEMRI is an agenda-less organization?
I don't think anyone is agenda-less (which would include MEMRI) but if, in this case, they have some hidden agenda in displaying those two videos I'm not seeing it.
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darthstar Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:43:33am |
Okay...I thought I'd come back after twenty minutes and see if we'd moved on, but alas...
Oh well...time to head up the mountain...there's untracked snow left that needs to be skied.
Thanks for the MEMRIs.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:43:47am |
re: #214 RogueOne
I think that's a bit unfair. I've been trying from the beginning to figure out what your issue was with the MEMRI Assad video.
And I explained many times.
You're the one who said they only post stuff to make a point
Which is true.
and then you suggested the point could be they want Assad to remain alive and in power without supplying anything to back that assertion.
Twisting of my words. Not an assertion, but suspicion. I also explained why: "after what happened in Egypt, Libya etc.". A lot of people think that it would be better if "Israel-neutral" (so to say) dictatorial regimes stayed in place, because the void was filled by anti-Israel Islamists. Which is not far from truth either.
So wondering if MEMRI has a tongue in cheek by presenting an Egyptian Islamist calling for the killing of Assad is not only not out of bounds, it's natural.
Isn't suggesting MEMRI has an ulterior motive for posting those videos engaging in "amateur psychoanalysis"?
No, since I'm not trying to analyze anyone's psyche.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:45:43am |
re: #217 RogueOne
I don't think anyone is agenda-less (which would include MEMRI) but if, in this case, they have some hidden agenda in displaying those two videos I'm not seeing it.
You don't see why they present an America-bashing Arabic clip? Riiight... Why am I still arguing this with you?
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:45:43am |
re: #217 RogueOne
If you don't think they're agendaless, then obviously they have some agenda in what they choose to report on, right?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:47:12am |
re: #216 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang
Fake but accurate!
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:47:50am |
re: #220 The Ineffable Name
On the other side, check this MEMRI article.
[Link: www.memri.org...]
That's from a year ago, and it has a clear interventionist slant.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:54:15am |
re: #221 Obdicut
If you don't think they're agendaless, then obviously they have some agenda in what they choose to report on, right?
Not always. Are we not to discuss anything posted by MEMRI so as to not feed a supposed hidden agenda? I might be the most cynical person here but not even my suspicious nature rises to the point that I'm concerned that I'm being played by either of those videos.
Sergey may have a point in thinking Israel might consider itself better off with Assad still in power (although I strongly disagree) but you have to really read between the lines in that video posting to come up with that as the reason for putting it up.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:55:20am |
re: #223 Obdicut
Well, there's also this:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
It shows that Israeli establishment is currently (but only recently) publicly anti-Assad, and that they did, in fact credit Assad "with maintaining calm along the frontier with the Israeli-held Golan Heights and considered a stable alternative to a possible takeover by Islamic fundamentalists". I don't think the fear of Islamist takeover has gone anywhere, though.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:56:09am |
re: #225 RogueOne
Are we not to discuss anything posted by MEMRI so as to not feed a supposed hidden agenda?
e_e
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:57:43am |
re: #225 RogueOne
Not always. Are we not to discuss anything posted by MEMRI so as to not feed a supposed hidden agenda?
Why would you ask that question? Has anyone remotely mentioned not discussing anything by MEMRI? No. So where do you get this bullshit from?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 6:59:28am |
re: #225 RogueOne
Are we not to discuss anything posted by MEMRI so as to not feed a supposed hidden agenda? I might be the most cynical person here but not even my suspicious nature rises to the point that I'm concerned that I'm being played by either of those videos.
An observation on MEMRI having this clip may be anything - just a curios bit of trivia, an attempt to start a discussion, a critique, etc. One thing it does not signify is a concern for being played. Duh, again.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:02:18am |
re: #228 Obdicut
You forgot the second half of that statement:
I might be the most cynical person here but not even my suspicious nature rises to the point that I'm concerned that I'm being played by either of those videos.
...and I got that impression from here:
re: #151 The Ineffable Name
Usually MEMRI cherrypicks outrageous outrages from those Arabic channels. So I'm not sure where they're going with this one:
[Link: www.memri.org...]
Oh no, killing Assad is so bad!/ ?
and here:
re: #155 The Ineffable Name
So, what's their point then? I suspect they want Assad to stay after what happened in Egypt, Libya etc.
Neither statement addressed the actual video but both questioned the intent MEMRI had in posting it. This is where the argument started and somehow spun out of control.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:04:31am |
re: #230 RogueOne
You forgot the second half of that statement:
No I didn't. It wasn't at all relevant to what I said.
Again, since no one is saying that we shouldn't discuss MEMRI clips-- in fact, what we're doing is discussing it-- where the hell do you get the dumb idea that anyone is saying we shouldn't discuss MEMRI clips?
Apparently, you got it from here:
Usually MEMRI cherrypicks outrageous outrages from those Arabic channels. So I'm not sure where they're going with this one:
Which makes no sense, since that doesn't contain anything, in the least, like an opinion that we shouldn't discuss the MEMRI clip. In fact, it invites discussion of the MEMRI clip.
So you somehow extracted the exact opposite.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:04:38am |
re: #230 RogueOne
Yeah, well, I was the one to bring this clip up. This apparently means that we should not discuss anything by MEMRI.
I don't know where to start with this logic.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:05:06am |
re: #229 The Ineffable Name
An observation on MEMRI having this clip may be anything - just a curios bit of trivia, an attempt to start a discussion, a critique, etc. One thing it does not signify is a concern for being played. Duh, again.
So why then wasn't my position that I don't see anything ulterior good enough? I'm getting the feeling that I'm being browbeaten into accepting that Memri has an ulterior motive because they always have an ulterior motive.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:09:48am |
re: #233 RogueOne
So why then wasn't my position that I don't see anything ulterior good enough?
Good enough for what? For me to accept? Or not to disagree, while explaining why I disagree? Only your position should be stated? If not, I don't see what problem do you have. We're just having a conversation.
I'm getting the feeling that I'm being browbeaten into accepting that Memri has an ulterior motive because they always have an ulterior motive.
Uh, no. Actually, we're just having a conversation. And if you don't believe MEMRI has a modus operandi, it's your right, just don't expect others not to snicker at that.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:11:35am |
re: #233 RogueOne
Ulterior is an unnecessary descriptor. They have a motive in posting it. Since they don't have any stated motive in doing so, there can't really be an ulterior one. They obviously have a motive in posting it, since they're not robots.
The 'ulterior'ness of them in general comes from the deceptive name and description of their institute. They do not report on media in the Middle East. They report on non-Israeli media in the Middle East, and on Islamic media in South-East Asia and beyond.
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RogueOne Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:11:38am |
Alright, fun time is over. Enjoy the day people.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:26:40am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:31:19am |
re: #240 Gus
Whahappened?
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:32:47am |
re: #241 The Ineffable Name
Whahappened?
Just ran into Satan's Angel.
Just on the intertoobs however.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:34:45am |
re: #242 Gus
ə_e
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:38:41am |
re: #246 Gus
ALTERNATIVE CROP OF XLAT152 - In this photo released by Cubadebate and taken by Estudios Revolucion, Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez walks in the hospital in Havana, Cuba, Friday March 2, 2012. Chavez said Friday he's recovering quickly from tumor surgery in Cuba. Chavez flew to Cuba on Feb. 24 to have a growth removed in the same part of the pelvic region where a larger, malignant tumor was extracted last year.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:40:09am |
re: #248 Gus
I'm wondering - why not do it in Venezuela?
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:41:02am |
re: #249 The Ineffable Name
I'm wondering - why not do it in Venezuela?
Got me. Maybe he goes to Castro's doctors. They have after all been able to keep Castro alive for thousands of years.
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S.D. Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:49:30am |
More Right Wing Propaganda.
Spin it as it's a child like view and *hope* people fall for it.
Sadly too many do.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:49:43am |
re: #250 Gus
Maybe he's paranoid about his docs.
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:50:43am |
re: #252 The Ineffable Name
Maybe he's paranoid about his docs.
There's always that. To avoid a surgical coup! //
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:51:37am |
Vladimir Putin is poised to regain the Russian presidency; the opposition is ready to protest: apne.ws/zsPcrz -CJ
— The Associated Press (@AP) March 3, 2012
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:51:50am |
re: #253 Gus
Well, I mean, there's a lot of opposition indeed, so maybe a doctor will be an opp doctor.
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 7:55:40am |
re: #255 The Ineffable Name
Well, I mean, there's a lot of opposition indeed, so maybe a doctor will be an opp doctor.
Maybe he stays in Venezuela for plastic surgery.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:00:05am |
When I say that I want Chavez to die from his cancer it doesn't mean I'm all that bloodthirsty.
However, there is only a preciously little number of ways to get an authoritarian leader to leave when (s)he doesn't want to and instead goes for the 3rd term, 4th term and so on until death.
And most of them are worse than such a leader dying naturally. Revolution? Blood. Assassination? Sorry, not a fan of such methods.
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b_sharp Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:01:32am |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
If they really sought to prevent damage, I wouldn't be so hostile. But the rhetoric and behavior of too many on the environmentalist left leads me to conclude they actually just hate electricity generation.
Don't ask me for examples, they aren't forthcoming. I've drawn my conclusion and I'm sticking to it.
Just got here. Just saw this.
All I can say is WTF?
What possible reason is there to hate electricity generation beyond the environmental damage it causes? Is there really a belief environmentalists want to go back to horse and buggy because they love shovelling horse shit?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:02:46am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:03:35am |
re: #259 ggt
Halp! I've fallen and I can't get out!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:05:24am |
re: #259 ggt
Nikolai kept not only his clients' money in his pockets.
/ok, far-fetched and only for those who know bank of nikolai ad
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:05:59am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:07:19am |
re: #259 ggt
Paws.
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b_sharp Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:08:08am |
re: #128 Kragar
9 Foreign Words the English Language Desperately Needs
My favorite: #6. Gadrii Nombor Shulen Jongu (Tibetan)
Means:
Giving an answer that is unrelated to the question.
"Gadrii nombor shulen jongu" translates literally to "giving a green answer to a blue question," and you won't find a gushier spring of it than in political debates. It sounds like this:
Moderator: How do you respond to allegations that you funneled federal grant money into your string of underground toddler fighting arenas?
Candidate: You know, I really can't believe we're focusing on this silly "scandal" when what Americans are really worried about is jobs.
It's called bull shit.
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:08:15am |
More than likely however the kitten is waiting for an unsuspecting human victim to come into view whereupon the kitten will then jump onto said human's neck and bite into the jugular thereby killing said human.
Then the kitten will have a nice meal.
Two hours later he'll want some dry food. Again.
//
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:08:58am |
re: #267 Gus
More than likely however the kitten is waiting for an unsuspecting human victim to come into view whereupon the kitten will then jump onto said human's neck and bite into the jugular thereby killing said human.
Then the kitten will have a nice meal.
Two hours later he'll want some dry food. Again.
//
When you least expect it too!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:09:03am |
re: #267 Gus
Alternatively, the kitten will jump out and GAZE, upon which the silly hoomin will say "aww" and bring some tuna.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:09:25am |
re: #266 Dead Wait
It's called bull shit.
I've noticed the Eastern Languages don't have words, they have phrases.
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:10:04am |
re: #270 The Ineffable Name
Alternatively, the kitten will jump out and GAZE, upon which the silly hoomin will say "aww" and bring some tuna.
Cats are always eating Chinese food. They eat and 1/2 hour later they're hungry again.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:10:19am |
re: #273 ggt
Paws, the sequel?
And the prequel. And the prequel prequel. It's kittens all the way down.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:11:42am |
re: #259 ggt
Morning all!
How is everyone?
- They ALL float down here. When you're down here with us, you'll float too!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:14:19am |
Hell of a way to mess up a good pool shot.
Can you imagine, the room is quiet, the player and the table are all that is lit. He has his shot all lined-up and is priming the cue between his fingers. His left eye is closed, his right is partially closed as he focuses. He is ready to execute his plan.
The neurons in his brain send the signal to his back, shoulder and arm. Energy is sent to his hand and just as it is about to reach the cue . . . . .
Up pops Pocket Kitten!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:15:45am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:15:48am |
In Soviet Russia you float too!/
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:15:59am |
re: #277 ggt
Hell of a way to mess up a good pool shot.
Can you imagine, the room is quiet, the player has his shot all lined up. He has his shot all lined-up and is priming the cue between his fingers. His left eye is closed, his right is partially closed as he focuses. He is ready to execute his plan.
The neurons in his brain send the signal to his back, shoulder and arm. Energy is sent to his hand and just as it is about to reach the cue . . .
Up pops Pocket Kitten!
Minnesota Fats Cats
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:16:40am |
re: #280 Gus
Minnesota
FatsCats
I don't know? Should Carnival lights and sounds ensue? I mean after Pocket Kitten pops up?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:17:34am |
re: #281 ggt
I don't know? Should Carnival lights and sounds ensue? I mean after Pocket Kitten pops up?
Gives new meaning to scratching on a shot as well.
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:17:46am |
re: #281 ggt
I don't know? Should Carnival lights and sounds ensue? I mean after Pocket Kitten pops up?
Sure. In a house of mirrors with lots of visual distortions laughing and echo!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:17:59am |
munu-munu
papa pararam
munu-munu
paparapam
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:18:16am |
re: #283 Gus
Sure. In a house of mirrors with lots of visual distortions laughing and echo!
Twilight Zone Episode!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:19:27am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:20:57am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:23:05am |
re: #259 ggt
Morning all!
How is everyone?
Familiar with the old UK comedy team The Goodies at all? (early 70s, so as old as Monty Python stuff.)
If this is the right link it's the first part of the infamous Kitten Kong episode.
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b_sharp Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:23:52am |
re: #288 The Ineffable Name
You missed the obvious one. FTFY!
Nice job.
I didn't think of it because that requires thinking, and I've given up thinking until late November.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:24:13am |
Three Occupy Oaklanders charged with hate crimes, robbery
Three Occupy Oakland protesters accused of surrounding and taunting a woman before stealing her wallet were charged on Friday with robbery and hate crimes, authorities said.
Michael Davis, 32, Nneka Crawford, 23, and Randolph Wilkins, 24, confronted the woman on the streets of Oakland in February after she told them not to riot, the Oakland Police said in a written release.
According to a report by NBC Bay Area, police said the woman was crossing the street from a Wells Fargo bank when she noticed a group of Occupy protesters calling for a riot. She allegedly told them not to riot in her neighborhood and was then surrounded.
"She was surrounded by three protesters and battered as they yelled vulgar epithets regarding their perception of her sexual orientation," Oakland Police spokeswoman Johnna Watson said.
...
"Her wallet was taken during the crime," Watson said. "The victim broke away from the group and called police, who were able to arrest one suspect near the scene."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:27:00am |
re: #293 Gus
Nice! #occupytable
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:29:36am |
Good News: Ahmadinejad not doing well in election results
Bad News: His replacements are worse
Ahmadinejad faces political blows as rival hard-liners surge in parliament count
Conservative rivals of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad appeared on course Saturday to gain firm control of parliament after elections that could embolden Iran's nuclear defiance and give the ruling clerics a clear path to ensure a loyalist succeeds Ahmadinejad next year.
...
The apparent setbacks for Ahmadinejad's backers, according to early results, could signal a decisive blow in the internal political conflicts and give hard-liners an even stronger voice in Iran's showdowns over its nuclear program.The results also greatly reduce Ahmadinejad's leverage to have a protege clear the ruling clerics' election vetting process and become a candidate to succeed him in mid-2013. It now seems likely that only staunch Khamenei loyalists could be in the running.
"It appears that the era of 'Ahmadinejadism' in Iran's political history is gradually coming to an end," said prominent Tehran-based political analyst Davoud Hermidas Bavand.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:30:07am |
Heh, I didn't know Ahmadinejad actually awarded Robert Faurisson some stuff during that Hollywoodism conference. Didn't even know Faurisson was there.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:32:55am |
re: #296 Killgore Trout
Good News: Ahmadinejad not doing well in election results
Bad News: His replacements are worse
Ahmadinejad faces political blows as rival hard-liners surge in parliament count
If the clerics are really in charge than it lets them put up and remove figureheads as necessary in order to manipulate the populace and foreign policy. Need to loosen up for a few years to lessen dissent - bring in a "reformer". Need to crack down a bit afterwards, remove the "reformer" for corruption and bring in someone else. Same applies for pedaling hard-line or soft-line to the other ME countries, China, US, etc.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:34:49am |
re: #298 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
If the clerics are really in charge than it lets them put up and remove figureheads as necessary in order to manipulate the populace and foreign policy. Need to loosen up for a few years to lessen dissent - bring in a "reformer". Need to crack down a bit afterwards, remove the "reformer" for corruption and bring in someone else. Same applies for pedaling hard-line or soft-line to the other ME countries, China, US, etc.
I'm not seeing any signs of unrest over the election results. The Green Revolution looks pretty dead.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:39:00am |
re: #289 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Familiar with the old UK comedy team The Goodies at all? (early 70s, so as old as Monty Python stuff.)
If this is the right link it's the first part of the infamous Kitten Kong episode.
[Embedded content]
I watched all 9+ minutes and didn't see a cat. The Great Dane was a good sport tho.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:40:44am |
re: #297 The Ineffable Name
Also present was Dieudonne who has just made a film "L'Antisemite".
Here's a clip from the film mocking Auschwitz (warning, you might need to hurl):
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:45:21am |
re: #297 The Ineffable Name
Heh, I didn't know Ahmadinejad actually awarded Robert Faurisson some stuff during that Hollywoodism conference. Didn't even know Faurisson was there.
I saw the references to Memri upthread. Did somebody post this?
U.S. Professors and Activists Participate In Tehran University Conference On Occupy Wall Street
Lots of videos and bios.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:48:17am |
re: #302 Killgore Trout
I wonder if they got a lot of moolah for this.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:49:34am |
re: #300 ggt
I watched all 9+ minutes and didn't see a cat. The Great Dane was a good sport tho.
Was there a link to Part 2? It was a 30-minute show.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:50:36am |
Daamn, Hank Hanegraaf was there?! Least expected.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:50:55am |
re: #303 The Ineffable Name
I wonder if they got a lot of moolah for this.
I doubt it. They all seem to be true believers and it seems like the kind of thing they'd attend anyways. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they are treated to special accommodations and celebrity treatment but I doubt they're paid.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:52:22am |
re: #306 Killgore Trout
Not sure. People usually know going to such things leaves a stain.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:52:57am |
re: #304 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Was there a link to Part 2? It was a 30-minute show.
I don't I can handle another 9+ minutes of the Goodies right now.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:54:01am |
Much of what I heard about Iran in the West was simply wrong.Being there in person was eye-opening. An experience I will not soon forget.— Hank Hanegraaff (@HankHanegraaff) February 21, 2012
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:54:11am |
Just back from Iran--engagements at the Univ of Tehran and Allameh Tabataba'i Univ, largest State Univ specializing in the social sciences.— Hank Hanegraaff (@HankHanegraaff) February 20, 2012
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:54:43am |
Wow. CRI is a mainstream evangelical thing.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:55:26am |
re: #307 The Ineffable Name
Not sure. People usually know going to such things leaves a stain.
I doubt that bothers them. They all seem pretty open about their beliefs already. It's a little bit like Jane Fonda posing with NVA anti-aircraft guns. I think the shock value is part of the appeal.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:56:38am |
re: #309 The Ineffable Name
[Link: www.equip.org...]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:57:24am |
re: #313 The Ineffable Name
[Link: www.equip.org...]
ah!
(mind bleach warning would have been nice :)
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 8:58:26am |
re: #307 The Ineffable Name
Not sure. People usually know going to such things leaves a stain.
Maybe they don't know where they're going much like most people aren't aware of who the latest contestants are on "Dancing With the Stars".
//
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:09:04am |
re: #309 The Ineffable Name
[Embedded content]
Useful idiots always exist. Spammers love them, for one.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:12:47am |
re: #311 The Ineffable Name
Wow. CRI is a mainstream evangelical thing.
Of course, they also have the word "research" right there in the middle. I wonder what that means?//
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:25:06am |
re: #318 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang
Of course, they also have the word "research" right there in the middle. I wonder what that means?//
It means research, but not in the scientific sense.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Looks like a group that specializes in attacking "not real Christian" groups. Like the Mormons.
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:25:31am |
'Socialist Obamacare' Protest at the Statehouse
Members of the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property protest near the Ohio Statehouse, calling for a repeal of federal health care mandates implemented under President Barack Obama. Their signs call for an end to 'Socialist Obamacare.'
Derp.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:30:45am |
re: #319 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Looks like a group that specializes in attacking "not real Christian" groups. Like the Mormons.
I believe there have been Jews suckered into Iran propaganda too. Nothing new here.
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austin_blue Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:35:56am |
Checking various sources. The count appears to be 31 dead and hundreds wounded. Looks like another weather-bomb of a spring, this year.
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efuseakay Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:38:02am |
re: #2 jamesfirecat
Can somebody explain to me why Herman Cain is still producing adds and where he got the money them from?
He didn't quit his campaign... he suspended it...
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bratwurst Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:39:22am |
re: #323 austin_blue
Checking various sources. The count appears to be 31 dead and hundreds wounded. Looks like another weather-bomb of a spring, this year.
How long until some of our own climate change skeptics begin assuring us that tornadoes happen EVERY year?
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Interesting Times Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:42:52am |
re: #325 bratwurst
Did you see that stubborn old fool Bob Lutz blather that very thing on Real Time last night? Neil Degrasse Tyson was a lot calmer in his response than I would have been.
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:43:43am |
re: #323 austin_blue
Checking various sources. The count appears to be 31 dead and hundreds wounded. Looks like another weather-bomb of a spring, this year.
yea..i read somewhere a few weeks ago that conditions this spring will be really bad for tornadoes
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:47:30am |
re: #325 bratwurst
How long until some of our own climate change skeptics begin assuring us that tornadoes happen EVERY year?
Looks like you upset BrainSuffer.
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:48:33am |
Yo BrainSuffer. Are you going to share any of your infinite wisdom this morning?
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austin_blue Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:49:24am |
re: #325 bratwurst
How long until some of our own climate change skeptics begin assuring us that tornadoes happen EVERY year?
About twelve mintes.
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Interesting Times Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:49:55am |
re: #323 austin_blue
Checking various sources. The count appears to be 31 dead and hundreds wounded. Looks like another weather-bomb of a spring, this year.
Good time to be reminded of the GOP desire to destroy weather research and warning systems.
Herp derp, deaths from extreme weather good, anything that upsets our sugar-daddy Koch brothers bad!
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austin_blue Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:53:49am |
re: #327 HoosierHoops
yea..i read somewhere a few weeks ago that conditions this spring will be really bad for tornadoes
Lots of moisture, pressure gradients and lift. That's all it takes.
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Digital Display Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:54:36am |
re: #327 HoosierHoops
yea..i read somewhere a few weeks ago that conditions this spring will be really bad for tornadoes
Surprisingly, All the guys at the Lodge last night were saying this was a climate change event...Some big old cowboy said people that don't believe this is related are full of shit.. If you have lost Oklahoma you've lost America.
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BrainSurfer Sat, Mar 3, 2012 9:58:11am |
re: #332 austin_blue
Lots of moisture, pressure gradients and lift. That's all it takes.
All too true, and they come at you quick with little warning. I speak from experience I wish I didn't have. Here's hoping everyone here is spared the terror and damage, and possible loss of life, these tornadoes can bring. Nuff said.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:00:36am |
re: #333 HoosierHoops
Surprisingly, All the guys at the Lodge last night were saying this was a climate change event...Some big old cowboy said people that don't believe this is related are full of shit.. If you have lost Oklahoma you've lost America.
A reminder of a happier time where conservative did not equal batshit insane.
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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:01:55am |
I missed this a few days ago. Frum said:
Yet it is wrong to see Breitbart as racially motivated.
The link is to some pushback at ABL's blog.
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austin_blue Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:02:04am |
re: #333 HoosierHoops
Surprisingly, All the guys at the Lodge last night were saying this was a climate change event...Some big old cowboy said people that don't believe this is related are full of shit.. If you have lost Oklahoma you've lost America.
It doesn't take a climatologist to know that things have gotten increasingly extreme since we were kids.
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Interesting Times Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:02:12am |
re: #333 HoosierHoops
Surprisingly, All the guys at the Lodge last night were saying this was a climate change event...Some big old cowboy said people that don't believe this is related are full of shit.. If you have lost Oklahoma you've lost America.
Perhaps there's a sliver of hope after all, as long as enough people wake up before it's too late. Check this out, from someone else who lives in Oklahoma:
What Many Do not Understand About Climate Change
You see it everywhere. Back to the land, have a garden. Why if things go really bad, we can live off the fat of the land. And you know that was true 100 year ago, but not any more.
Not with our new extreme weather patterns.
But Climate Change Deniers haven't made the connection yet.
...
But the real killer of crops and gardens wasn't just the high day time heat. What made this heatwave unusual is that the temperature at night didn't fall below 99 degrees. Even when it is in the mid 80s, nights like that feel hot. But in the high 90s--it was positively stifling for us, deadly for plants and animals. There was no time to recover. Even a desert gets cooler at night.
| 339 |
BrainSurfer Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:04:17am |
re: #333 HoosierHoops
Surprisingly, All the guys at the Lodge last night were saying this was a climate change event...Some big old cowboy said people that don't believe this is related are full of shit.. If you have lost Oklahoma you've lost America.
National Climatic Data Center shows on their U.S. Tornado Climatology page that number of severe tornadoes over past 30 years or so is fairly constant.
Scroll down to check graph in Historical Records and Trends section.
[Link: www.ncdc.noaa.gov...]
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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:04:53am |
re: #329 Gus
Yo BrainSuffer. Are you going to share any of your infinite wisdom this morning?
And there it is.
| 341 |
Mocking Jay Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:05:32am |
Video of Neil DeGrasse Tyson schooling former GM executive Bob Lutz on global warming. It is quite the spectacle and well worth your time.
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:07:04am |
re: #336 wrenchwench
I missed this a few days ago. Frum said:
The link is to some pushback at ABL's blog.
Zandar is cherry picking here because those two paragraphs are not representative of what Frum wrote. Especially the closing paragraphs:
And this is where it becomes difficult to honor the Roman injunction to speak no ill of the dead. It’s difficult for me to assess Breitbart’s impact upon American media and American politics as anything other than poisonous. When one of the leading media figures of the day achieves his success by his giddy disdain for truth and fairness—when one of our leading political figures offers to his admirers a politics inflamed by rage and devoid of ideas—how to withhold a profoundly negative judgment on his life and career?
Especially when that career was so representative of his times?
We live in a time of political and media demagoguery unparalleled since the 19th century. Many of our most important public figures have gained their influence and power by inciting and exploiting the ugliest of passions—by manipulating fears and prejudices—by serving up falsehoods as reported truth. In time these figures will one by one die. What are we to say of this cohort, this group, this generation? That their mothers loved them? That their families are bereaved? That their fans admired them and their employees treated generously by them? Public figures are inescapably judged by their public actions. When those public actions are poisonous, the obituary cannot be pleasant reading.
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BrainSurfer Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:07:58am |
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:09:15am |
And this from Zandar:
Frum of course will never figure out that the only thing worse than a bigoted, racist jackass of a liar is the person who excuses that kind of behavior and enables it to happen. And in that very real way, David Frum is a much worse problem with our ass-over-teakettle media than Andrew Breitbart ever, ever will have been.
Fear the David Frum! Someone needs some decaf.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:10:05am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:10:14am |
re: #341 The Right Height
Video of Neil DeGrasse Tyson schooling former GM executive Bob Lutz on global warming. It is quite the spectacle and well worth your time.
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
PWND.
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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:10:17am |
re: #342 Gus
ABL is cherry picking here because those two paragraphs are not representative of what Frum wrote. Especially the closing paragraphs:
Thanks for digging into the source material. (That was at ABL's site, but Zandar wrote it.)
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:10:51am |
re: #347 wrenchwench
Thanks for digging into the source material. (That was at ABL's site, but Zandar wrote it.)
Oh. Oops. Zandar! Yeah, didn't sound right.
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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:11:11am |
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Gus Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:11:26am |
re: #347 wrenchwench
Thanks for digging into the source material. (That was at ABL's site, but Zandar wrote it.)
Fixed!
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Mocking Jay Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:11:58am |
re: #346 Varek Raith
My house in the Keys is still there! Hoax!!
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:13:34am |
re: #351 The Right Height
My house in the Keys is still there! Hoax!!
I don't recall any science saying that the Keys would be gone by now due to AGW...
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Mocking Jay Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:15:23am |
re: #352 Varek Raith
I don't recall any science saying that the Keys would be gone by now due to AGW...
If the science isn't there, just pretend that it is...
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Lidane Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:15:53am |
re: #341 The Right Height
Video of Neil DeGrasse Tyson schooling former GM executive Bob Lutz on global warming. It is quite the spectacle and well worth your time.
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
He was way more patient with that moron than I would have been. Neil DeGrasse Tyson is awesome.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:15:56am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:17:13am |
Gee...Astrophysicist vs a CEO who ran a company to shit.
Who to trust on AGW...
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Mocking Jay Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:17:20am |
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Lidane Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:17:47am |
re: #356 Varek Raith
Gee...Astrophysicist vs a CEO who ran a company to shit.
Who to trust on AGW...
Michael Crichton!
///
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:17:49am |
re: #357 The Right Height
We all have the ability to fly, at least for a little while...
Intelligent Falling.
IE, Gravity.
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Varek Raith Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:22:19am |
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BrainSurfer Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:24:46am |
re: #349 wrenchwench
What do you mean 'its[sic] working'?
Based on all of your friendly feedback, I've had to rethink my views on various aspects of factors affecting the climate, especially CO2 buildup. So your opinions and providing facts have been effective.
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Interesting Times Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:25:39am |
The most amusing thing about deniers is how they cherry-pick from legitimate sources to supposedly prove their point, completely ignoring how those same sources accept the science of human-caused climate change. For example, the brain-dead troll posted tornado data from NOAA that conveniently ended at 2010. Gee, I wonder why?
State of the Climate Tornadoes Annual 2011
The U.S. spring and summer of 2011 will likely be remembered as one of the most destructive and deadly tornado seasons to ever impact the nation. During the time period, there were seven individual tornado and severe weather outbreaks with damages exceeding one billion U.S. dollars, and total damage from the outbreaks exceeding 28 billion U.S. dollars. This represents the most property damage from severe weather in a single year since record keeping began in 1980.
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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:29:22am |
re: #363 BrainSurfer
Based on all of your friendly feedback, I've had to rethink my views on various aspects of factors affecting the climate, especially CO2 buildup. So your opinions and providing facts have been effective.
Do you now believe that human activity is responsible for the climate change we are experiencing ?
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Mocking Jay Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:33:38am |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:38:09am |
re: #362 Varek Raith
I would not over rate the ability of rush at actually affect buying decisions more than simple facts like the Volt does not hold up to a comparison with the Prius. ThinkProgress may have had a hair trigger on this one. At work we are buying a new vehicle for deliveries and such. The volt is not quite there yet market wise.
Conclusion Volt vs Prius
So after 5 years you would have spent $45,555.50 to drive a Chevy Volt. This includes the fact that you got $7500 back from the government in the form of a Tax Credit. While with the Prius you would have spent $33,945.63. This doesn't take into account the cost of tires, oil changes, or brake pads, and general maintenance. We assume they will be about equal between the two cars. Also with the Prius I was using the base model. If you added some of the fancy accessories this could add another $5,000 to $6,000 to the price.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:45:12am |
re: #318 Blue Spot Vlamingii Tang
Of course, they also have the word "research" right there in the middle. I wonder what that means?//
You're making my point, Naso.
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BrainSurfer Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:56:54am |
re: #366 wrenchwench
Do you now believe that human activity is responsible for the climate change we are experiencing ?
Climate is definitely changing and has been for some time. Humans have greatly added to CO2 content in atmosphere over the past fifty years, and significantly polluted the environment. Question really is how much of a factor CO2 buildup will play toward reaching some tipping point in global climate change. And what other factors need to be better understood to forecast future climate. No one has a definitive answer right now. I certainly do not.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:57:43am |
re: #370 BrainSurfer
Why do you think mainstream climate scientists do not have an answer?
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wrenchwench Sat, Mar 3, 2012 10:58:34am |
re: #370 BrainSurfer
No one has a definitive answer right now.
You're wrong there, if you mean an answer to my question.
I certainly do not.
You're right there.
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BrainSurfer Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:21:20am |
re: #372 wrenchwench
You're wrong there, if you mean an answer to my question.
You're right there.
re: #371 The Ineffable Name
Why do you think mainstream climate scientists do not have an answer?
OK, what or where or who has is the definitive "answer" on global change/warming. Anything recent that summarizes most current findings? IPCC info is dated.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:34:45am |
re: #373 BrainSurfer
IPCC AR4 will do just fine for the big picture. Small errors notwithstanding.
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BrainSurfer Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:34:45am |
re: #364 Interesting Times
The most amusing thing about deniers is how they cherry-pick from legitimate sources to supposedly prove their point, completely ignoring how those same sources accept the science of human-caused climate change. For example, the brain-dead troll posted tornado data from NOAA that conveniently ended at 2010. Gee, I wonder why?
Hi, Interesting. Thanks for the latest on the January report, which is definitely interesting, but note the number of severe E-5 category tornadoes equaled the number in 1974. My link was to provide latest available big picture - the long term annual trend of "severe" tornadoes.
Should also highlight the following from the same website we used - the page providing info on The Enhanced Fujita Scale now in use to track tornadoes:
The United States today averages 1200 tornadoes a year. The number of tornadoes increased dramatically in the 1990s as the modernized National Weather Service installed the Doppler Radar network. The National Weather Service modernization also began the Warning Coordination Meteorologist program increasing partnerships with media and Emergency Management across the United States. This program also initiated the training of storm spotters across the County Warning Area of each Weather Forecast Office. With more people trained to relay information on storm activity to the Weather Forecast Office and improved communication and digital technology, more tornadoes could be reported.
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BrainSurfer Sat, Mar 3, 2012 11:35:42am |
re: #374 The Ineffable Name
IPCC AR4 will do just fine for the big picture. Small errors notwithstanding.
Will check it out. Thanks.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 12:12:42pm |
re: #377 The Ineffable Name
To trolls, everything old is new again, every day.
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BrainSurfer Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:14:27pm |
re: #377 The Ineffable Name
e_e
Hokay...I'm back (whew, uh uh ..out of breath). Reviewed the AR4 again (soooo 2007, errors notwithstanding) as well as various recent (2010 reports) and comments in articles and comments in RealClimate. Certainly seems to be considerable differences of opinions as to what factors affect our climate to varying degrees, even among the pro-AGW crowd. Even the recent IPCC reports are hedged with "it is very likely", "there is low confidence" (or "medium confidence"), "there is limited to medium evidence available".... conclusions tend to we need to keep studying and monitoring the various climate change issues involved.
My conclusion - we don't have all the answers yet, and anyone who says we do is wrong. Shouldn't stop us from planning on how best to adjust to climate change, be it increasing temps (good or bad?), sea level change (minimal or major), ocean acidity (can't be good), ocean dead zones (bad), etc.
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Coracle Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:17:38pm |
Look guys, I think Brainsurfer has trolled us on climate before, but most of the things he's said in this thread are either neutral or indicate he's actually starting to pay attention to the data. If he's actually letting his brain do the work, and reading up on the facts, then the battle is more than half won, and I ask you to cut him a bit of slack if he asks what look like honest, difficult questions.
Sure, it could be a snowjob. It could be a setup for more trolling, but we get nowhere assuming that someone is completely unreachable.
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Coracle Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:20:43pm |
re: #379 BrainSurfer
I agree, with caveats. We have to learn how to deal with the damage already done and with what is inevitably coming. But we also have to put breaks on the train. It's not going to stop on a dime, and it's going to take a _lot_ of effort to reverse it.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:21:46pm |
re: #382 Coracle
I can't believe you're falling for that bullshit.
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Coracle Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:22:23pm |
re: #381 Obdicut
I can't afford to give up on people like that. We can't. Because we don't have enough to turn the tide all by ourselves. We need all the rational people convinced by the data we can get.
If you'll recall, Charles is one of those.
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Obdicut Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:25:00pm |
re: #384 Coracle
I can't afford to give up on people like that.
Dishonest trolls?
We can't. Because we don't have enough to turn the tide all by ourselves. We need all the rational people concinced by the data we can get.
He's just a troll, bullshitting that he's 'rethinking'. Loot at his shitty quotemining-- with no attribution at all-- from IPCC. Do those words show up in the IPCC? Sure. Are they in context? No.
The guy is a complete asshole.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
You want to waste your time pretending the troll is just asking questions, feel free.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Mar 3, 2012 1:27:53pm |
re: #379 BrainSurfer
My conclusion - we don't have all the answers yet, and anyone who says we do is wrong.
Sure, and nobody said otherwise, to my knowledge.
The consensus among the climate experts about 1) the current GW, 2) largely anthropogenic causes of the current GW is in, however. This is separate from "what should be done", etc.
Like in any discipline, the details will always be shuffled around.
What various rabble-rouser non-experts like Watts et al. do, however, is not mere disagreement over details. It's a political campaign to undermine mainstream climate science. I don't know why anybody would listen to them, rather than the experts.
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Views: 426 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1- Pictures From Today’s Exhibition of Paintings Done by Jane LilienthalPROPS TO MICHELE AND SAGEHEN FOR CATCHING THE SPELLING ERROR IN THE TITLE THAT MY DIABETIC EYES COULDN'T CATCH I wanted to share pictures of the art show I visited today. The portraits were created by the mother of my ...Joe Bacon ✅
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... Cheechako
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Views: 596 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 5- A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...KGxvi
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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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