Video: Obama Protesting at Harvard in 1991

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Buzzfeed has posted video of Barack Obama from 1991, when he was president of the Harvard Law Review, speaking at Professor Derrick Bell’s protest for diversity. Andrew Kaczynski explains the context of this clip: At Harvard, Obama Dived Into Diversity Fight.

It was perhaps Barack Obama’s most intense immersion in the charged campus racial politics of the late 1980s and early 1990s: As President of the Harvard Law Review in the spring of his final year there, 1991, he aligned himself with Professor Derrick Bell’s dramatic protest for diversity on the faculty of Harvard Law School.

Bell was the first black tenured professor at the school, and a pioneer of “critical race theory,” which insisted, controversially, on reading issues of race and power into legal scholarship. His protest that spring was occasioned by Harvard’s denial of tenure to a black woman professor, Regina Austin, at a time when only three of the law school’s professors were black and only five women. He told Harvard he would take a leave of absence — a kind of academic strike — “until a woman of color is offered and accepted a tenured position on this faculty,” and he launched a hunger strike to dramatize his point.

Obama was a major figure on campus, the first black president of the Law Review. Some friends, in a prescient joke, just referred to him as “the first black president.” He had a reputation as a conciliatory figure, not a confrontational one like Bell.

“”How Obama would react to Derrick Bell’s protest was a matter of some interest,” New Yorker editor David Remnick wrote in his exploration of Obama and race, The Bridge.

It was a situation in which clear lines had been drawn, and Obama sided with Bell.

Could this be the BREITBARTOCALYPSE promised by the shiny-faced mini-Breitbarts earlier this week? If so, I sure hope Buzzfeed didn’t spoil it for them.

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198 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:07:21pm

He is channeling the spirit of SAUL ALINSKY!!!

2 erik_t  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:08:51pm

What a complete activist.

(spits)

3 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:09:17pm

I thought the 90s was a redawn for fashion. Guess not.

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:10:09pm

Oh, what an evil, evil man! /

5 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:10:16pm

His speaking style has changed surprisingly little since then.

6 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:10:40pm

Very well done Mr. Obama. Excellent delivery, message, and composure. A truly professional and very American speech. We are diverse nation and will remain as such for the years to come. The founding father of this nation would be proud of who you were as a youth and proud of you as the president of the United States of America.

7 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:10:55pm

Everyone I know who had Bell said he was a hell of a professor.

8 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:13:06pm

re: #3 Amory Blaine

I thought the 90s was a redawn for fashion. Guess not.

Fashion timeline: see, there was the 80s which for the most part was just a long and drawn-out 1979, then came the 85s which lasted until about 1993. Then it became the 90s up until 1997. Then the 98s kicked in, and lasted until Sept 10, 2011.

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:13:18pm

Even then, you could see that he was destined to become the Marxist Kenyan Muslim Impostor in Chief we know today.

10 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:13:56pm

Socialist khaki pants!! Radical afro hair!!!11!

11 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:14:43pm
Could this be the BREITBARTOCALYPSE promised by the shiny-faced mini-Breitbarts earlier this week?

Jake Tapper seems to think so:

12 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:15:27pm

Of course diversity is a dirty word for the Breitbart cult and other wingnut things. They, just like Anders Breivik, are intent on destroying multiculturalism and creating an anglo-centric nation that will never exist for only in their hate filled fantasies.

Only those that hate America would feel hatred towards this video and our president.

13 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:15:49pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

Or as the wingnuts would see it: he's black.

14 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:15:55pm

Yes, it is the BREITBARTOCALYPSE! Aieeeeee!

15 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:15:59pm

Ah, I see Bretibart's site is claiming the video was deceptively edited. They are going to release the edited out parts.

16 Strangeite  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:16:35pm

This video will never gain traction in the right-wing blog-o-sphere because it will be impossible for them to accept that really is Obama.

He isn't using a teleprompter.

Perhaps the person speaking in the video is a forgery? That might work. The Islamic Caliphate perfected cloning and in 1961 created many Obama clones. This is just one that happens to be able to speak without a teleprompter.

Whew. I feel better now.

17 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:16:48pm

The October surprise!!! er..

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:16:50pm

Oh, I got it. Just like Sandra Fluke's testimony about contraception meant that she was talking about her superactive sex life, Obama's speech involving race in any way means that he's a Black Panther.

bbl

19 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:16:52pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see Bretibart's site is claiming the video was deceptively edited. They are going to release the edited out parts.

I'm sure they'll convince everyone that Obama is a criminal communist who must immediately be impeached to save our great exceptional nation.

20 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:17:17pm

re: #13 Gus

Or as the wingnuts would see it: he's black.

And supporting the radical agenda of a black law professor, whose aim was to silence the white administration through a hunger strike.

21 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:17:19pm

I think diversity is important, otherwise you wind up with bullshit like this:

Image: 3ec2333e107c680af69155fbfd247a38.jpg

22 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:17:21pm

re: #18 Saint Rush, Martyr of Lower Wingnuttia

The Blackest Panther.

23 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:17:35pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see Bretibart's site is claiming the video was deceptively edited.

In related news, Newt Gingrich complains about being cheated upon.

24 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:18:05pm

Wait, this is the Breitbartoclypse? This!?

I'd say that's grasping at straws if you think that this is proof of... what exactly? That Obama as a prominent law student at Harvard backed a prominent law professor in his bid to expand diversity among the faculty (and that's still an ongoing problem within the legal profession - not just at Harvard).

25 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:18:38pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

And supporting the radical agenda of a black law professor, whose aim was to silence the white administration through a hunger strike.

Yeah, they're gonna go after Derrick Bell, of course. We'll see long treatises on Bell's SHOCKING leftist politics, and his reverse double backflip jumping-through-hoops racism.

It'll be a race-baiting extravaganza.

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:19:05pm

re: #24 lawhawk

Wait, this is the Breitbartoclypse? This!?

I'd say that's grasping at straws if you think that this is proof of... what exactly? That Obama as a prominent law student at Harvard backed a prominent law professor in his bid to expand diversity among the faculty (and that's still an ongoing problem within the legal profession - not just at Harvard).

DIVERSITY = SHARIA

27 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:21:14pm

They hate diversity. They hate multiculturalism. They hate everything.

They hate America.

28 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:21:34pm

There is a Saul Alinsky action figure in Baracks pocket.

29 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:22:04pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Ah, I see Bretibart's site is claiming the video was deceptively edited. They are going to release the edited out parts.

Well, in their defense, no one knows deceptive editing like Breitbartians.

30 erik_t  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:22:54pm

re: #28 Amory Blaine

There is a Saul Alinsky action figure in Baracks pocket.

I thought that was where he was keeping all of his notes, since he doesn't have the teleprompter crutch.

/

31 elizajane  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:24:57pm

The Breitbartians have a video of what was really on the teleprompter.

32 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:26:14pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Yeah, they're gonna go after Derrick Bell, of course. We'll see long treatises on Bell's SHOCKING leftist politics, and his reverse double backflip jumping-through-hoops racism.

It'll be a race-baiting extravaganza.

This is epic. Derrick Bell wrote "Space Traders"
Space Traders PT1

George Clinton produced a show for HBO called Cosmic Slop in the early 90's. Sort of like a ghetto twilight zone. The show only lasted one season,but i always remember the story of UFO'S coming to earth to give wealth and restoration to the planet, in exchange for human beings with melanin !!!!

33 SpaceJesus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:26:28pm

re: #24 lawhawk

a young minority with a confident voice really irks a certain subset of the US

34 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:28:14pm

Too much politics all around these days.
* * * *

What tune goes to these words?

* * * *

"Shells in white cheddar
Guess I'll make 'em again
My work in the kitchen
Never seeming to end

Flavors I've always sought
With these taste buds before
Just what the sauce is
I can't say anymore ..."

(somebody else keep writing...)

35 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:28:20pm
36 zora  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:28:41pm

Obama campaign releasing 17-minute documentary

Campaign officials for President Obama’s reelection race announced Wednesday that they are planning to release a 17-minute documentary about his first term in office next week.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

37 erik_t  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:29:59pm

re: #36 zora

Obama campaign releasing 17-minute documentary

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

17? But the communists took over Russia in 1917!!!!!1

38 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:31:40pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

He died last year, I believe, so won't be able to defend himself, too.

He wrote something called "The Constitutional Contradiction", which is about how the Constitution enshrines property rights over personal rights in some ways. Like the whole slave-owning bit.

Which is, you know, true.

39 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:31:46pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Aliens come to Earth for the coffee; that's why that place is called Starbucks.

/

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:32:32pm

re: #39 Ojoe

Aliens come to Earth for the coffee; that's why that place is called Starbucks.

/

That has to be the coolest video I've seen in a long time.

41 iossarian  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:32:51pm

re: #38 Obdicut

He died last year, I believe, so won't be able to defend himself, too.

He wrote something called "The Constitutional Contradiction", which is about how the Constitution enshrines property rights over personal rights in some ways. Like the whole slave-owning bit.

Which is, you know, true.

Your comment makes Southern Baby Jesus cry.

42 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:35:37pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Now that is funny. Heh.

43 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:36:09pm

The President once showed up at a protest? Surely this will end his presidency!

44 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:36:19pm

Charles. What in hell. This is trending: #NameObamasDocumentary

45 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:36:50pm

re: #41 iossarian

Well, true until December 6th, 1865, when the 13th Amendment was ratified.

46 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:37:30pm

re: #44 Gus

Charles. What in hell. This is trending: #NameObamasDocumentary

I vote for Samantha.

47 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:37:54pm

re: #38 Obdicut

He died last year, I believe, so won't be able to defend himself, too.

He wrote something called "The Constitutional Contradiction", which is about how the Constitution enshrines property rights over personal rights in some ways. Like the whole slave-owning bit.

Which is, you know, true.

So he will be painted as a Saul Alinski, Reverend White-style firebrand out to destroy the America that people like Rick Santorum's granddad helped build with the sweat of their brows and their calloused hands, a world where any man, white or black, could work himself to death....

48 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:38:01pm

re: #38 Obdicut

He died last year, I believe, so won't be able to defend himself, too.

He wrote something called "The Constitutional Contradiction", which is about how the Constitution enshrines property rights over personal rights in some ways. Like the whole slave-owning bit.

Which is, you know, true.

I believe Justice Marshall was critical of the Constitution in that way too. Anyhow cool clip.

49 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:38:19pm

re: #38 Obdicut

He died last year, I believe, so won't be able to defend himself, too.

He wrote something called "The Constitutional Contradiction", which is about how the Constitution enshrines property rights over personal rights in some ways. Like the whole slave-owning bit.

Which is, you know, true.

The Right loves property rights, just so long as its not a homosexual trying to leave it to his loved ones.

50 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:40:07pm

re: #49 Kragar

A gay friend of mine was unable to even receive his partner's (of 40 years) personal effects after his partner was killed by a drunk driver. According to the law, he had no relationship to him. Wasn't allowed to see him as he was dying either.

51 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:40:08pm

First tenured law professor at Harvard, Prof Bell sounds like an impressive man. And I fully expect him to be remade into a radical even though Bell got a job in the Eisenhower DoJ from William Rodgers who was later Ike's AG and then Nixon's first Sec of State.

52 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:40:29pm

re: #50 Obdicut

A gay friend of mine was unable to even receive his partner's (of 40 years) personal effects after his partner was killed by a drunk driver. According to the law, he had no relationship to him. Wasn't allowed to see him as he was dying either.

That is so terrible.

53 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:41:22pm

re: #50 Obdicut

A gay friend of mine was unable to even receive his partner's (of 40 years) personal effects after his partner was killed by a drunk driver. According to the law, he had no relationship to him. Wasn't allowed to see him as he was dying either.

According to some, those are God's wishes...for to them homosexuality is an abdomination unto the Lord and deserveth to be punished.

54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:41:35pm

re: #50 Obdicut

That kind of shit has to change. You don't have to be gay to see how fucked up that is, just human.

55 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:43:38pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

That kind of shit has to change. You don't have to be gay to see how fucked up that is, just human.

to some, the two are seen as mutually exclusive...

56 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:44:03pm

I saw a great documentary about the Loving V Virginia case. Richard and Mildred Loving, heroes both as were the two ACLU lawyers who took the case. What I hadn't known was that both lawyers were really young guys and only a few years removed from Law School when they argued before the court. They had some audio of some of the questions Justice Warren asked both the plaintiffs and defendants and I was just saying thanks Justice Warren and wondering why people hated him so much. I read The Brethren. Marshall and Brennan especially were heavily saddened by his death.

58 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:44:37pm

re: #53 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Maybe the best approach is to have the State issue civil unions only, to whomever, gay or straight; then the fundamentalist types would be kept at bay; and if you want to be married that's a religious extra and you certainly can find any kind of church you want these days. Then dying partners of whichever type could have their sweetie with them in every case.

59 carlaschluge  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:45:26pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

This impressive legal scholar wasn't the first tenured professor at Harvard...he was the first tenured black professor at Harvard. He was tenured in 1971.

60 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:45:27pm

re: #57 Kragar

Wisconsin Judge Blocks Illegal Voter ID Law, Citing Disenfranchised Marine Vet

JUDICIAL ACTIVISM! On a completely serious note, I applaud the judge's decision.

61 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:46:09pm

re: #59 carlaschluge

This impressive legal scholar wasn't the first tenured professor at Harvard...he was the first tenured black professor at Harvard. He was tenured in 1971.

Oops forgot to add that in.

62 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:46:22pm

Never mind, instead, ponies are awesome.

63 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:46:45pm

re: #62 Obdicut

Where are you seeing that it says he was the first tenured professor at Harvard?

I mean, obviously he wasn't. He's not 300 years old.

It was an innocent omission on my part. Can you imagine a 300 year old law professor on a completely silly note though?

64 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:48:11pm

Space Traders PT2

65 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:48:14pm

re: #58 Ojoe

Maybe the best approach is to have the State issue civil unions only, to whomever, gay or straight; then the fundamentalist types would be kept at bay; and if you want to be married that's a religious extra and you certainly can find any kind of church you want these days. Then dying partners of whichever type could have their sweetie with them in every case.

Uh, yeah no. Civil marriage has existed for millennia, both across religions and outside of them entirely. Just because religious groups have decided to hijack the term doesn't mean that should be allowed. And even if you made that kind of change, you run into "Well, I don't consider you married."

66 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:48:31pm

re: #58 Ojoe

Maybe the best approach is to have the State issue civil unions only, to whomever, gay or straight; then the fundamentalist types would be kept at bay; and if you want to be married that's a religious extra and you certainly can find any kind of church you want these days. Then dying partners of whichever type could have their sweetie with them in every case.

Why 'keep the fundamentalist types at bay' if they are advocating fewer rights for some people? They are wrong and should not be catered to. If some people can legally marry, all people should be able to legally marry. Hell with the semantics.

67 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:49:07pm

re: #58 Ojoe

There's no problem with that, except that the same types are also against full-rights civil unions for gay people.

68 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:50:03pm

Bachmann: ‘Health Care Dictator’ Could Decide How Many Babies You Can Have

“Women have a lot to lose under Obamacare, and I’ll give you an example. If you want to go into specifics, what the government can give, the government can take away. It certainly isn’t beyond the pale to think, in light of Kathleen Sebelius, the Health and Human Services Secretary — she said that it’s important that we have contraceptives because that prevents pregnancy, and pregnancy is more expensive to the federal government.

“Going with that logic, according to our own Health and Human Services Secretary, it isn’t far-fetched to think that the President of the United States could say, we need to save health care expenses — the federal government will only pay for one baby to be born in the hospital per family, or two babies to be born per family. That could happen. We think it couldn’t?

Co-host Amy Holmes then asked: “Congresswoman, are you suggesting that this administration, or a next administration, would actually advocate a one-child policy like Communist China?”

Bachmann responded: “What I’m saying is that now that we know the President of the United States unilaterally can tell insurance companies, you must offer the morning-after abortion pill, you must offer sterilizations, you must offer contraceptives free to the recipients of those products, because we tell you to — which means they’re effectively setting the price, as well — that says that whoever the health care dictator, could conceivably make that order, as well.

“There’s nothing that this president, one person, would be limited from doing. That’s how profound that is. I’m not saying that he is going to do it. I’m saying that he has the power and the authority to do it. We don’t want anyone to have that level of authority.”

DERP PANELS!

69 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:51:13pm

re: #65 Simply Sarah

Uh, yeah no. Civil marriage has existed for millennia, both across religions and outside of them entirely. Just because religious groups have decided to hijack the term doesn't mean that should be allowed. And even if you made that kind of change, you run into "Well, I don't consider you married."

Which is to say that you're suggesting we redefine marriage to try and placate religious extremists who are yelling about the fact that we are, supposedly, uh, redefining marriage.

70 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:51:14pm

re: #58 Ojoe

Maybe the best approach is to have the State issue civil unions only, to whomever, gay or straight; then the fundamentalist types would be kept at bay; and if you want to be married that's a religious extra and you certainly can find any kind of church you want these days. Then dying partners of whichever type could have their sweetie with them in every case.

There is the sacrament of Holy Matrimony, which is a religious thing that churches are free to dispense or deny as they feel fit.

Then there is the legal institution of marriage/civil union, which has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with various rights and priveleges only granted to married couples.

We must learn to distinguish the two. But for some people, that is like trying to convince them that religious scriptures are not science textbooks...

71 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:51:19pm

re: #58 Ojoe

Maybe the best approach is to have the State issue civil unions only, to whomever, gay or straight; then the fundamentalist types would be kept at bay; and if you want to be married that's a religious extra and you certainly can find any kind of church you want these days. Then dying partners of whichever type could have their sweetie with them in every case.

I thought that was a good 'out' until a couple years ago. Then someone here (Iceweasel?) posted a whole list of Fed and state laws that make very impactful real-world laws and regs that hang from the specific situation of marriage/spouse.

72 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:51:28pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

That kind of shit has to change. You don't have to be gay to see how fucked up that is, just human.

re: #55 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

to some, the two are seen as mutually exclusive...

It's real easy to do when your worldview dictates that most everyone that isn't white and male is inferior (or even subhuman).

73 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:51:41pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

Except maybe to adjust the semantics would benefit some people who could use it. I think it might.

74 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:52:15pm

re: #68 Kragar

Bachmann: ‘Health Care Dictator’ Could Decide How Many Babies You Can Have

DERP PANELS!

Can someone tell me why this lunatic was elected to the US Congress? And I hate to defend the infamous Chinese one child policy but it wasn't done out of Marxist ideology, Deng Xiaopeng promoted for what he saw as practical reasons. Not saying I agree with it but people act like the One Child Policy is proof of Marxism's evilness and ignore the fact that many Communist regimes promoted large families and were against birth control.

75 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:52:33pm

re: #69 Simply Sarah

Which is to say that you're suggesting we redefine marriage to try and placate religious extremists who are yelling about the fact that we are, supposedly, uh, redefining marriage.

Most of my gay friends would be fine with marriage being renamed civil union if it carried all the rights of marriage.

But, again, the same people are also against that.

76 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:52:59pm

re: #70 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

True what you say about we have to learn to distinguish between the two.

77 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:53:06pm

re: #73 Ojoe

Except maybe to adjust the semantics would benefit some people who could use it. I think it might.

It's a vanishingly small number of people. Fundamentalists are against gay people having the rights, not just the terminology. Obviously, given that gay people have always been able to say that they're married.

78 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:53:06pm

re: #43 Kragar

The President once showed up at a protest? Surely this will end his presidency!

Comet Kohoutek of political events.

79 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:53:19pm

re: #73 Ojoe

Except maybe to adjust the semantics would benefit some people who could use it. I think it might.

Benefit who? The bigots? The close minded?

80 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:53:36pm

re: #68 Kragar

Requiring that insurers provide the services doesn't mean that the insured (the patient) has to use any/all of the services.

Yet, Bachmann's fellow Republicans would have no problem restricting access to birth control - eliminating any chance that someone could protect themselves from an unwanted pregnancy.

81 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:53:46pm

re: #73 Ojoe

Except maybe to adjust the semantics would benefit some people who could use it. I think it might.

It can't be solved with semantics. It can be solved by making discrimination illegal. Semantics might make some more comfortable, and others less comfortable.

82 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:54:17pm

The bill that became a referendum here in Virginia bans gay marriage and civil unions. Some of you may have heard of Virgina's Bob Marshall who famously said that women get disabled kids because they've had abortions (gee I wonder what Palin said about him, oh wait nothing). Well Bob Marshall is the man behind the ban on gay marriage here. He thinks George Allen is too moderate and that should tell you alot about him too.

83 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:54:26pm

re: #75 Obdicut

Most of my gay friends would be fine with marriage being renamed civil union if it carried all the rights of marriage.

But, again, the same people are also against that.

I think your first sentence there is where this will eventually go.

84 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:55:08pm

re: #75 Obdicut

Most of my gay friends would be fine with marriage being renamed civil union if it carried all the rights of marriage.

But, again, the same people are also against that.

And try to explain that to all the straight couples who suddenly are no longer married, only "civil unioned."

85 sagehen  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:55:26pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

First tenured law professor at Harvard, Prof Bell sounds like an impressive man. And I fully expect him to be remade into a radical even though Bell got a job in the Eisenhower DoJ from William Rodgers who was later Ike's AG and then Nixon's first Sec of State.

Ike was a willing and conscious agent of the Soviet Union, and Nixon loved Chinese commies. I read it on the internet, it must be true.

86 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:55:41pm

Space Traders PT3

87 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:55:50pm

re: #80 lawhawk

Requiring that insurers provide the services doesn't mean that the insured (the patient) has to use any/all of the services.

Yet, Bachmann's fellow Republicans would have no problem restricting access to birth control - eliminating any chance that someone could protect themselves from an unwanted pregnancy.

They also argue that if gay marriage was legalized, men and women would stop getting married, stop having kids and the human race would go extinct. That argument can mean only one thing - That gay marriage is totally fucking awesome!

88 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:55:50pm

re: #83 Ojoe

I think your first sentence there is where this will eventually go.

Try not ignoring the rest of my sentences, would you? These people are against gay people having rights, not just it being called marriage. They're against gay adoption, for example.

What will happen is that gay people will be able to get married.

89 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:56:06pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Can someone tell me why this lunatic was elected to the US Congress?

That I can almost cope with. But that the GOP took her seriously as a presidential candidate is beyond me...

90 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:56:59pm

re: #84 Simply Sarah

And try to explain that to all the straight couples who suddenly are no longer married, only "civil unioned."

Then they would have to go to a church, oh no!

Now I don't know what to think about that.

91 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:57:27pm

re: #90 Ojoe

Then they would have to go to a church, oh no!

Now I don't know what to think about that.

I don't think you're really grasping this. They wouldn't have to go to a church.

92 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:57:59pm

Newt Aide suggest Mitt should drop out for the good of the party

“I think he should bow out of the race so that conservatives can have a debate” about how to take on Obama, Haley said. “It’s Mitt Romney who’s screwing up this race and it’s his establishment support” that’s sustaining him over the hesitations of the GOP electorate.

93 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:58:15pm

If we redefined the legal meaning of marriage and called it 'civil unions', gay people would still get married. In churches.

94 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:58:23pm

re: #91 Obdicut

They would if we separated out church and state in this: State: civil union. Church: marriage.

95 Bulworth  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:58:26pm

Where's Bill Ayers? //

96 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:58:35pm

re: #91 Obdicut

I don't think you're really grasping this. They wouldn't have to go to a church.

If they don't get married in a church, then God has not bleessed their union and they are living in sin. What is so hard to grasp about that?

/

97 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:58:58pm

It should also not be lost in the whole "gay marriage" thing that marriage is not the only, nor even the most important, issue for non-heterosexual people. There's discrimination in public and private spheres. There's insufficient health care for the kinds of problems more commonly seen inside those kinds of communities. There's the disproportionate number of LGBTQ homeless and poor, many having been tossed out by their families. Marriage is nice, but it's not the only thing.

98 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:59:19pm
99 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:59:42pm

re: #93 Obdicut

If we redefined the legal meaning of marriage and called it 'civil unions', gay people would still get married. In churches.

That would be fine. Also in Synagogues. I've been to one in a Synagogue.

100 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 12:59:46pm

re: #92 Kragar

Newt Aide suggest Mitt should drop out for the good of the party

You know I hate Romney but when you're in third place Team Newt, you don't get to dictate the terms.

101 elizajane  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:00:17pm

Yup, here goes the anti-Bell campaign already. From American Spectator:

"Prof. Derrick Bell is a radical academic tied to Jeremiah Wright and is being honored in the video. The more controversial portions of the tape will be aired tonight on The Sean Hannity TV show."

That's just for starters.

[Link: spectator.org...]

102 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:00:20pm

My mother-in-law didn't come to our wedding because it was at the courthouse.

103 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:00:21pm

re: #90 Ojoe

Then they would have to go to a church, oh no!

Now I don't know what to think about that.

So the fact that I'm not specifically religious means I cannot be married in your world? Or that I need to join a religious group to have that right? No thanks.

104 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:00:32pm

re: #89 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

That I can almost cope with. But that the GOP took her seriously as a presidential candidate is beyond me...

Yeah she had frontrunner status briefly. I've heard some say she would have done better if she had focused on the social issues more.

105 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:00:38pm

re: #92 Kragar

Newt should go to the moon for the good of the planet Earth.

106 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:00:46pm

re: #95 Bulworth

Where's Bill Ayers? //

Chicago.

107 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:00:52pm

re: #94 Ojoe

They would if we separated out church and state in this: State: civil union. Church: marriage.

The problem is there are tons of legal definitions based on marriage for property rights, taxation, and inheritance, which aren't covered under Civil Unions, and which aren't applicable nationwide.

108 sagehen  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:01:18pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Can someone tell me why this lunatic was elected to the US Congress? And I hate to defend the infamous Chinese one child policy but it wasn't done out of Marxist ideology, Deng Xiaopeng promoted for what he saw as practical reasons. Not saying I agree with it but people act like the One Child Policy is proof of Marxism's evilness and ignore the fact that many Communist regimes promoted large families and were against birth control.

It was done so there'd be enough food to go around, and certainly China's per capita income is way up over the last 20-30 years.

On the other hand -- a whole huge country with no brothers or sisters or aunts or uncles or cousins... Thanksgiving just wouldn't be the same.

109 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:01:32pm

re: #101 elizajane

Yup, here goes the anti-Bell campaign already. From American Spectator:

"Prof. Derrick Bell is a radical academic tied to Jeremiah Wright and is being honored in the video. The more controversial portions of the tape will be aired tonight on The Sean Hannity TV show."

That's just for starters.

[Link: spectator.org...]

And Hannity will want us all to be outraged while we'll be just shrugging our shoulders.

110 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:01:42pm

re: #94 Ojoe

They would if we separated out church and state in this: State: civil union. Church: marriage.

This also harkens back to a time not that long ago when there were no marriages outside the church. And women did not exist outside the family. And slaves did not exist outside their quarters and their places of toil.

111 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:01:50pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

You know I hate Romney but when you're in third place Team Newt, you don't get to dictate the terms.

NEWT IS ONLY IN THIRD BECAUSE ROMNEY DOESN'T CARE ENOUGH TO DROP OUT!
/

112 elizajane  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:01:50pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Yeah she had frontrunner status briefly. I've heard some say she would have done better if she had focused on the social issues more.

If you heard Santorum's victory speech last night, you know who picked up her standard after she fell to the Forces of Evil. It was amazing! Both an impressive piece of oratory and totally from another planet.

113 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:01:59pm

re: #103 Simply Sarah

There's always the Universal Life Church, you can find lots of different churches, that was one of the points of founding this country actually.

114 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:02:21pm

Does Hannity still say "beyond the pale" every 5 minutes?

115 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:02:34pm

re: #94 Ojoe

They would if we separated out church and state in this: State: civil union. Church: marriage.

No, they wouldn't, because they would have already gotten married in a church. They wouldn't have to go to a church. They would have already gone to a church, to get married.

The ceremony in the church is already not what makes it legal. You get married, legally, by filling out the paperwork, signing the stuff, and having it witnessed. You get married by a church by whatever the hell that church uses to say 'yep, you're married'.

They're already two seperate things. You're saying we should change one of the words. I have no problem with that. But it wouldn't solve anything, because the bigots who are against gays getting married are against them having the rights of marriage.

Already, even in states where gay marriage is illegal, gay people can go to a gay-friendly church and have a marriage ceremony.

Gays aren't fighting for the right to say "I'm married", they're fighting for the actual legal rights, and that's what's being fought against.

116 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:02:40pm

re: #94 Ojoe

They would if we separated out church and state in this: State: civil union. Church: marriage.

How about this: State: marriage. Church: religious marriage.

?

117 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:02:51pm

re: #108 sagehen

It was done so there'd be enough food to go around, and certainly China's per capita income is was up over the last 20-30 years.

On the other hand -- a whole huge country with no brothers or sisters or aunts or uncles or cousins... Thanksgiving just wouldn't be the same.

Yeah it was done for food reasons. I just had to point out that it's not a "Marxist" policy since Mao, Stalin, and Ceaușescu (of Romania) famously promoted large families.

118 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:03:56pm

re: #94 Ojoe

They would if we separated out church and state in this: State: civil union. Church: marriage.

I don't think you get it. If I find a partner I wish to spend the rest of my life with and we want to make it official, I want to get married. Not become part of a "civil union". Or, really, anyone can start their own religious group and declare themselves married, so it really loses any and all meaning in that case, doesn't it? If anything, yours is a real plan to destroy the term marriage.

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:04:14pm

re: #111 Kragar

NEWT RON PAUL IS ONLY IN THIRD FOURTH BECAUSE ROMNEY, SANTORUM AND GINGRICH DOESN'T CARE ENOUGH TO DROP OUT!
/

fixed it for the Paulbots out there

120 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:05:47pm

re: #119 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

fixed it for the Paulbots out there

too true.

121 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:06:13pm

Non-story. Another in a long line of fail from the right-wing. There's nothing here. These videos have been out for a long time.

Big Government Yawn

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:06:32pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Yeah she had frontrunner status briefly. I've heard some say she would have done better if she had focused on the social issues more.

She had a chance to nail Perry on the cronyism aspect of his support for the HPV vaccine thing, but she went off the deep end with the whole anti-vaccine schtick.

123 carlaschluge  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:07:29pm

re: #122 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

That did her in. After that, it was back to the minors for her.

124 Sionainn  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:07:37pm

re: #113 Ojoe

There's always the Universal Life Church, you can find lots of different churches, that was one of the points of founding this country actually.

I don't care how many different kinds of churches there are...I'm not going to seek one out. I'm an atheist...and I'm married.

125 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:07:43pm

Florida Family Association and American Decency Association Accuse Star Wars Game of Appeasing 'Radical Homosexual Extremists'

Back in January, Family Research Council president Tony Perkins railed against video game maker BioWare’s decision to allow “same gender romances with companion characters” in Star Wars: The Old Republic, which Perkins said would lead kids to “be exposed to this Star Warped way of thinking.” Now, the Florida Family Association, best known for its pressure campaigns against the television shows All-American Muslim and Degrassi, is warning that “radical homosexual extremists” are going to turn the game into “propaganda” to “capture the minds of our children through the intense emotions children encounter when playing video games,” all with this helpful image of two children staring at gay Stormtroopers:

126 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:09:03pm

re: #113 Ojoe

There's always the Universal Life Church, you can find lots of different churches, that was one of the points of founding this country actually.

Great. Gay couples can do that now. And how will that solve anything? Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the term is the main concern. So won't the fact that some religious organizations will still marry gay couples lead to the same issue as with civil marriage? You're changing the term but not solving the underlying issues.

127 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:09:48pm
128 Sionainn  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:09:52pm

re: #121 Gus

Non-story. Another in a long line of fail from the right-wing. There's nothing here. These videos have been out for a long time.

Big Government Yawn

Is there a link somewhere to the full video?

129 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:10:02pm

re: #125 Kragar

If parents don't want to let their kids play a certain video game for whatever reason, that is their choice.

130 iossarian  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:11:01pm

re: #125 Kragar

helpful image of two children staring at gay Stormtroopers

pics or gtfo

131 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:11:28pm

re: #113 Ojoe

There's always the Universal Life Church, you can find lots of different churches, that was one of the points of founding this country actually.

Great, so they can get married, but get none of the tax benefits, legal or property rights that a straight couple receives because their marriage isn't recognized by the state or federal government.

132 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:11:48pm

re: #129 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

If parents don't want to let their kids play a certain video game for whatever reason, that is their choice.

Yes and same could be said about TV shows too. The problem with groups like the AFA and its affiliates is they want to dictate to every parent what their kids can and can't watch. I knew some parents who didn't let their kids watch the Simpsons. Mine had no problem. That's the freedom of being a parent. I have to admit though I never got the parents who had no problem with heavy violence but even the slightest sexuality of any kind bothered them.

133 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:11:58pm

re: #130 iossarian

pics or gtfo

Image: Starwarskidscharacters.jpg

134 carlaschluge  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:12:03pm

re: #128 Sionainn

Hannity supposedly will be airing the whole video tonight, according to Breitbart.com

"Breitbart.com Editor-in-Chief Joel Pollak and Editor-at-Large Ben Shapiro will appear on The Sean Hannity Show to discuss the tape. The full tape will be released tonight on Fox News' Hannity."

135 allegro  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:12:55pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

How about this: State: marriage. Church: religious marriage.

?

How about just married? Two consenting adults of any ethnicity or gender. Married. Anyone who doesn't like it can STFU.

Done. :)

136 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:12:56pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Yes and same could be said about TV shows too. The problem with groups like the AFA and its affiliates is they want to dictate to every parent what their kids can and can't watch. I knew some parents who didn't let their kids watch the Simpsons. Mine had no problem. That's the freedom of being a parent. I have to admit though I never got the parents who had no problem with heavy violence but even the slightest sexuality of any kind bothered them.

My parents actually cared about the violence, at least until the point where I think they basically realized it wasn't possible to keep it from me. Granted, I also got older.

137 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:14:24pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Yes and same could be said about TV shows too. The problem with groups like the AFA and its affiliates is they want to dictate to every body what they can and cannot do

138 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:15:09pm

re: #136 Simply Sarah

My parents actually cared about the violence, at least until the point where I think they basically realized it wasn't possible to keep it from me. Granted, I also got older.

I think my parents felt what the hell, they're smart enough to know not to do this in real life. I do understand parents that worry about violence more so than foul language or sex though even though I prefer a laissez-faire attitude.

139 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:15:16pm

clearly, the fact that obama challenged the status quo proves that he is an unamerican radical

140 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:15:27pm

re: #137 Ministry of Fairness and Balance

Yep for sure.

141 iossarian  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:16:03pm

re: #133 Kragar

Image: Starwarskidscharacters.jpg

and... I'm done.

142 Sionainn  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:16:16pm

re: #134 carlaschluge

Hannity supposedly will be airing the whole video tonight, according to Breitbart.com

"Breitbart.com Editor-in-Chief Joel Pollak and Editor-at-Large Ben Shapiro will appear on The Sean Hannity Show to discuss the tape. The full tape will be released tonight on Fox News' Hannity."

I can't imagine what they think the video is going to show, if the bit that is already posted is any indication.

143 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:16:23pm

re: #139 engineer cat

clearly, the fact that obama challenged the status quo proves that he is an unamerican radical

He did it while being black, too. That's like, double-demerits.

145 Charleston Chew  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:16:55pm

BOMBSHELL: Obama was a good public speaker at the age of 30!

146 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:17:05pm
147 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:17:24pm

re: #142 Sionainn

I can't imagine what they think the video is going to show, if the bit that is already posted is any indication.

Bell's political positions include saying things like he didn't believe the white establishment would willingly grant rights to blacks except in their own self-interest.

Maybe it'll have that.

148 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:17:34pm
149 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:17:35pm

re: #143 Obdicut

And democrat. Triple demerits.

150 iossarian  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:17:41pm

It's so sad that Breitbart didn't live to see the total lack of effect that this latest ZOMG BOMBSHELL will have.

151 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:18:07pm

re: #141 iossarian

and... I'm done.

Why does the AFA hate the beautiful relationship between my bounty hunter and Mako?

152 Sionainn  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:18:22pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Yes and same could be said about TV shows too. The problem with groups like the AFA and its affiliates is they want to dictate to every parent what their kids can and can't watch. I knew some parents who didn't let their kids watch the Simpsons. Mine had no problem. That's the freedom of being a parent. I have to admit though I never got the parents who had no problem with heavy violence but even the slightest sexuality of any kind bothered them.

We don't let our little ones (5 and 7) watch violent stuff. It's getting to the point, though, where I'm uncomfortable with them watching some shows with us (The Big Bang Theory, The Daily Show). We haven't done anything about it yet, but I think that time is coming very soon.

153 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:18:43pm

Of course it will be a conspiracy when Sean and Shapiro and the others find out that most of the country doesn't give a damn that the president gave a speech as a law student praising diversity and a respected law professor.

154 carlaschluge  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:19:28pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Now some stupid bleeding-heart activist judge is going to enjoin implementation of the new law on the ground that it may be unconsitutional.

155 Sionainn  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:19:33pm

re: #147 Obdicut

Bell's political positions include saying things like he didn't believe the white establishment would willingly grant rights to blacks except in their own self-interest.

Maybe it'll have that.

Well, that would be the truth...and we know that the RWNJs can't handle the truth.

156 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:19:40pm

re: #150 iossarian

It's so sad that Breitbart didn't live to see the total lack of effect that this latest ZOMG BOMBSHELL will have.

Meanwhile, the morons will be telling themselves that this video must be important because Breitbart was killed for having it.

157 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:19:46pm

re: #152 Sionainn

We don't let our little ones (5 and 7) to watch violent stuff. It's getting to the point, though, where I'm uncomfortable with them watching some shows with us (The Big Bang Theory, The Daily Show). We haven't done anything about it yet, but I think that time is coming very soon.

It's your freedom as a parent honestly. I don't really remember the first R movie I watched but I do remember seeing the first Scream at a fairly young age (under 10).

158 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:20:06pm

just a quick public announcement. It's been 2.28 days since my last cigarette, If I were smoking that would be about 3 packs, I have saved 16 dollars. Oh and that's quitting cold turkey, had one at 6:30 am on Monday and chucked the pack on the way to work, haven't looked back.

159 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:20:09pm

re: #151 Kragar

Why does the AFA hate the beautiful relationship between my bounty hunter and Mako?

Because your homosexual escapades should be done in public restrooms with rentboys, like a good Conservative family man would do.

160 carlaschluge  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:20:16pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

It'll be "beyond the pale!"

161 Charleston Chew  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:21:21pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Yeah, they're gonna go after Derrick Bell, of course. We'll see long treatises on Bell's SHOCKING leftist politics, and his reverse double backflip jumping-through-hoops racism.

It'll be a race-baiting extravaganza.

Hope he's prepared. Derrick Bell just became the next guest on This Is Your Made-Up Life.

162 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:21:21pm

re: #154 carlaschluge

Now some stupid bleeding-heart activist judge is going to enjoin implementation of the new law on the ground that it may be unconsitutional.

Coming from you, I really don't know what to think....

bbl

163 iossarian  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:21:21pm

re: #159 Renaissance_Man

Because your homosexual escapades should be done in public restrooms with rentboys, like a good Conservative family man would do.

It helps to have a wide stance, when someone's carrying your bags for you.

164 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:21:46pm

By the way, Ben Smith of Buzzfeed says this is the complete video that WGBH Boston had - they didn't edit anything.

So unless the mini-Breitbarts have a different video, they're just blowing smoke.

165 Sionainn  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:22:50pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

It's your freedom as a parent honestly. I don't really remember the first R movie I watched but I do remember seeing the first Scream at a fairly young age (under 10).

My husband told me that his mother took him to the movie theater to watch The Exorcist when he was 6 years old. That affected him for years. I can't imagine someone doing that to a little kid.

166 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:23:00pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

By the way, Ben Smith of Buzzfeed says this is the complete video that WGBH Boston had - they didn't edit anything.

So unless the mini-Breitbarts have a different video, they're just blowing smoke.

And Breitbart fans think he got killed over this. Jeez, not to diminish the importance of what Obama did as a law student but it's really small potatoes.

167 Charleston Chew  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:23:36pm

re: #161 Charleston Chew

Hope he's prepared. Derrick Bell just became the next guest on This Is Your Made-Up Life.

Oops, he died last year. My bad.

168 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:23:54pm

re: #165 Sionainn

My husband told me that his mother took him to the movie theater to watch The Exorcist when he was 6 years old. That affected him for years. I can't imagine someone doing that to a little kid.

Yeah that movie still scares me. I've seen the famous staircase in Georgetown before too.

169 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:24:18pm

re: #143 Obdicut

He did it while being black, too. That's like, double-demerits.

170 Sionainn  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:25:16pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

By the way, Ben Smith of Buzzfeed says this is the complete video that WGBH Boston had - they didn't edit anything.

So unless the mini-Breitbarts have a different video, they're just blowing smoke.

Wingnuts don't bother actually watching anything anyway. They wait for their masters to tell them what the video or article says and what to think about it.

171 Charleston Chew  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:25:45pm

I noticed that people on the web are saying that this video was featured in a 2008 episode of Frontline about the election, so I guess it's not even new.

172 erik_t  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:25:53pm

re: #145 Charleston Chew

BOMBSHELL: Obama was a good public speaker at the age of 30!

BUT HE TOLD ME HE WAS 23!!!!!1

173 Sionainn  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:26:36pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Yeah that movie still scares me. I've seen the famous staircase in Georgetown before too.

I've read the book, but have never watched the whole movie. I've walked into the room while it was playing and laughed my ass off before shaking my head and walking out. I thought it was pretty cheesy.

174 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:27:49pm

re: #173 Sionainn

I've read the book, but have never watched the whole movie. I've walked into the room while it was playing and laughed my ass off before shaking my head and walking out. I thought it was pretty cheesy.

I think the movies that scare me most are ones based off of real events. I mean I don't get scared-scared watching something like Schindler's List or Hotel Rwanda but I think seeing the worst of humanity scares me more than any slasher film.

175 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:28:00pm

re: #171 Charleston Chew

I figure the Breitlings were hoping everyone forgot about it so their (more likely than not) deceptively edited version would be seen as "new".

176 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:28:11pm

re: #143 Obdicut

He did it while being black, too. That's like, double-demerits.

i hear that the ghost of breitbart will soon release a video exposing this Shocking Fact

177 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:28:47pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

By the way, Ben Smith of Buzzfeed says this is the complete video that WGBH Boston had - they didn't edit anything.

So unless the mini-Breitbarts have a different video, they're just blowing smoke.

Remember the really early The Simpsons episode where Homer was accused of being a sexual predator after he pulled the gummi Venus de Milo off the babysitter's rear? Remember how he went on the Not-60 Minutes show and how they edited the interview when played on TV? It'll probably look like that.

178 Linden Arden  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:29:23pm

So this is what the right calls "vetting"?

That explains Palin.

179 Kragar  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:30:19pm

Gun Sales Rise In Texas As NRA Spouts Anti-Obama Fantasies

“I’m constantly getting questions from people in the gun community about this [issue],” said Alan Korwin, author of nine gun law books, including Gun Laws of America, and operator of gunlaws.com. “People are concerned that if Obama wins, as a lame duck, he will go after firearms in a way we have never seen before.

“We saw a fire sale when he was elected last time,” he said. “But the speculation is that now … with his need to get re-elected gone, the sky is the limit on attacking the Second Amendment.” [...]

A prominent businessman recently shopped at Cheaper Than Dirt, saying that “Republicans don’t have a prayer against Obama” this year. That man, Irwin said, spent $25,000 on ammunition, magazines and other gun paraphernalia.

“The folks paying attention to the political climate think this might be an opportunity to stock up,” Irwin said.

180 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:30:19pm

Boom!

181 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:30:53pm

re: #177 Simply Sarah

Remember the really early The Simpsons episode where Homer was accused of being a sexual predator after he pulled the gummi Venus de Milo off the babysitter's rear? Remember how he went on the Not-60 Minutes show and how they edited the interview when played on TV? It'll probably look like that.


This was a good ep, thanks for the memory lane trip.
182 Simply Sarah  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:31:33pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

[Embedded content]
This was a good ep, thanks for the memory lane trip.

Yes, that one! I really should stop being so lazy about links.

183 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:32:36pm

re: #179 Kragar

Gun Sales Rise In Texas As NRA Spouts Anti-Obama Fantasies

"If Obama wins as a lame duck" Uh you lost me there nutso. Anyhow fact is, the NRA wants badly to convince their members that Obama's out to take away their guns even though he hasn't been anti gun at all. Nothing wrong with gun ownership but the NRA are showing why many on the left see them as watercarriers for the GOP.

184 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:33:52pm

re: #182 Simply Sarah

Yes, that one! I really should stop being so lazy about links.

Nah, I was just happy to find a clip of it. I was disappointed that they didn't show the "next" episode of the show where the same guy implicates Groundkeeper Willie as a perv and Homer even though Willie helped exonerate him says "See listen to the music, he's evil."

185 Charleston Chew  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:34:24pm

Remember when Donald Trump said:

Our current president came out of nowhere. Came out of nowhere. In fact, I'll go a step further: the people that went to school with him, they never saw him, they don't know who he is. It's crazy.

So much for that meme. I love it when wingnut bullshit cancels out.

186 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:35:53pm

re: #185 Charleston Chew

Remember when Donald Trump said:

So much for that meme. I love it when wingnut bullshit cancels out.

He's the radical communist activist yet no one knew who he was. What's Donald doing these anyhow? Know he endorsed the flop artist.

187 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:36:53pm

Oh. And is it any surprise that the Breitbart cult is going after Obama through a speech on diversity for Prof. Derrick Bell? Can we say race issues once again and the NAACP? Sexism at play?

Derrick Bell

Derrick Albert Bell, Jr. (November 6, 1930 – October 5, 2011) was the first tenured African-American professor of Law at Harvard University, and largely credited as the originator of Critical Race Theory. He was the former dean of the University of Oregon School of Law.

Protests over faculty diversity

In 1980 Bell became the dean of the University of Oregon School of Law, becoming one of the first African-Americans to ever head a non-black law school. He resigned in 1985 over a dispute about faculty diversity. Bell then taught at Stanford University for a year.
...
Bell reentered the debate over hiring practices at Harvard in 1990, when he vowed to take an unpaid leave of absence until the school appointed a female of color to its tenured faculty. At the time, of the law school's 60 tenured professors, only three were black and five were women. The school had never had a black woman on the tenured staff.

Students held vigils and protests in solidarity with Bell with the support of some faculty. Critics, including some faculty members, called Bell's methods counterproductive, and Harvard administration officials insisted they had already made enormous advances in hiring. The story of his protest is detailed in his book Confronting Authority.

To some observers, Bell's lament about Harvard amounted to a call for the school to lower its academic qualifications in the quest to mold a diversified faculty on the campus. But Bell argued that academically able faculty were being ignored and that critics of diversity invariably underplay the value of a faculty that is broadly reflective of society, and, more importantly, that the credentials demanded by institutions like Harvard perpetuate the domination of white, well-off, middle-aged men. As he commented in the Boston Globe, "Let's look at a few qualifications--say civil rights experience ... that might allow [a chance at a tenured teaching position for] more folks here who, like me, maybe didn't go to the best law school but instead have made a real difference in the world."

188 Charleston Chew  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:37:07pm

re: #179 Kragar

Gun Sales Rise In Texas As NRA Spouts Anti-Obama Fantasies

Fool NRA members once, shame on the NRA. Fool them twice, shame on the members.

189 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:37:38pm

This crap is just another freaking dog whistle.

190 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:38:46pm

re: #189 Gus

This crap from is just another freaking dog whistle.

Of course it is.

191 Obdicut  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:39:07pm

re: #187 Gus

The same assholes who insist that business experience should be valued over government experience for the job of president, dismiss the idea that qualifications like real-world civil rights-work experience should be considered along with academic qualifications for a professorship.

They're hypocrites.

192 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:39:30pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

"If Obama wins as a lame duck" Uh you lost me there nutso. Anyhow fact is, the NRA wants badly to convince their members that Obama's out to take away their guns even though he hasn't been anti gun at all. Nothing wrong with gun ownership but the NRA are showing why many on the left see them as watercarriers for the GOP.

The NRA is simply a pilot project for what the modern GOP is, indeed, what modern American Conservatism is: a marketing project. A marketing exercise where conspiracy theories and crackpot ideas are used to sell raw, naked fear to low-information people who like being fearful and angry. It's worked for the NRA for decades, and FOX and the rest of the media has proved that it works just fine on an entire political party's supporters too.

193 Gus  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:44:02pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Of course it is.

It's Lee Atwater all over again. Instead of using the n-word they're replacing "states rights" in this instance with "diversity." This has always been the case. This is another Southern Strategy of sorts. It's playing to the racists in the right-wing and their hope is that it plays to racists all across the board. It's almost the same damn stunt that Breitbart pulled on Shirley Sherrod and the NAACP.

194 Charleston Chew  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:47:20pm

re: #192 Renaissance_Man

The NRA is simply a pilot project for what the modern GOP is, indeed, what modern American Conservatism is: a marketing project. A marketing exercise where conspiracy theories and crackpot ideas are used to sell raw, naked fear to low-information people who like being fearful and angry. It's worked for the NRA for decades, and FOX and the rest of the media has proved that it works just fine on an entire political party's supporters too.

The Bush administration proved it worked for 5 years, but they discovered that there was a time limit to that strategy. "Spin" was the only tool in their toolbox, but there are some problems spin can't solve.

Their comeuppance started with Hurricane Katrina. They discovered you can't spin a hurricane.

195 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:49:33pm

re: #34 Ojoe

Too much politics all around these days.
* * * *

What tune goes to these words?

* * * *

"Shells in white cheddar
Guess I'll make 'em again
My work in the kitchen
Never seeming to end

Flavors I've always sought
With these taste buds before
Just what the sauce is
I can't say anymore ..."

(somebody else keep writing...)

"Nights in White Satin" - Moody Blues

196 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 2:14:13pm

re: #185 Charleston Chew

Remember when Donald Trump said:

Our current president came out of nowhere. Came out of nowhere.

Oh, my God -- I just figured it out!

Barack Obama is RANDALL FLAGG!

197 Mattand  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 4:03:21pm

re: #196 BongCrodny

Oh, my God -- I just figured it out!

Barack Obama is RANDALL FLAGG!

M-O-O-N, that spells "Super sekrit Saul Alinksky loving atheist Muslim Commie honky hating fer-en-er."

198 Bentis Fughazi  Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:06:01pm

re: #68 Kragar

Bachmann: ‘Health Care Dictator’ Could Decide How Many Babies You Can Have

DERP PANELS!

Cue the Fine Young Conservatives:

She's batshit crazy
Oo-ooooo
Like no-one else
Oo-ooooo
She's batshit crazy
She just can't help herself


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