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Thursday Night Story: Sundays at Rocco’s

That’s when everything changed
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Nicholas Petron’s grandfather, Rocco Galasso, moved to New York City from Italy with the hopes of making a better life. For eighteen years Rocco served as owner and superintendent of an apartment building where much of his family resided—until the day they were given notice that their building faced demolition to make way for new apartments. As Nick remembers, that’s when everything changed.

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1 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:01:40pm

Not all stories have happy endings.

2 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:06:25pm

'PALLYWOOD': Israel accuses enemies of fake casualties

A BBC spokesperson has responded to the claims, saying to the best of their knowledge the vision was not staged.

"The footage shown by BBC News was edited from a longer sequence provided by the Reuters news agency in which the man in question is shown being lifted from the ground."

"He is then given attention at the roadside, before appearing later having recovered."

"Steps have been taken to ensure any re-broadcast reflects the full sequence so that is absolutely clear to our audience."

Looks fake. Am I missing something? I suppose the footage could be out of sequence and the guy was somehow injured later but the lack of apparent injuries and nobody seems injured around him makes me lean towards fake. Any thoughts?

3 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:07:51pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout


MY DOG. You are loving this shit.

4 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:08:02pm

Speaking of fauxtography: The First Hoax Photograph Ever Shot

5 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:10:47pm

re: #3 Stanghazi

MY DOG. You are loving this shit.

I do have a passion for media malpractice. The partisan cable networks have blown the gasket on media BS but it happens with the real news outlets too. I think it's important.

6 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:11:59pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

I do have a passion for media malpractice. The partisan cable networks have blown the gasket on media BS but it happens with the real news outlets too. I think it's important.

BS. You defended Romney's lies and the media that did not call him out. Over and over and over.

7 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:12:45pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

I do have a passion for media malpractice. The partisan cable networks have blown the gasket on media BS but it happens with the real news outlets too. I think it's important.

Just follow the IDF twitter propaganda. It will keep your media legitimacy thingy well fed.

8 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:12:45pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

'PALLYWOOD': Israel accuses enemies of fake casualties

Looks fake. Am I missing something?

Yeah, it's really easy to get knocked out or dazed and then be okay a little while later.

There really are civilian casualties that are occurring. It's best not to try to avoid that fact.

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:15:08pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

If the video clearly showed a continuous scene in which the man was carried off and then got up and walked around, it would be a conclusive fake.

But this video cuts from the man being carried, to a message for several seconds, then to images of the man walking around.

Yes, it looks like the same man. But it's edited, with no way to tell what the real sequence of those two scenes is.

10 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:17:40pm

Hey, it's Bill Wray! I always liked his stuff.

11 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:18:59pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

It might be faked. It's happened before. But it's hardly a very dramatic injury to fake.

Hell, it could just be the guy fainting.

But there will be civilian casualties.

12 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:21:03pm

Speaking of fakes:

The bogus "Letter to an Anti-Zionist" which was allegedly written by Martin Luther King, Jr. (but totally was not), keeps circulating on Twitter. And every time I whack-a-troll by pointing out that it is fake they answer "But you can Google it!"

GAH.

Oh and I have been called an "Anti-Semite" for pointing out that this letter is fake.

13 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:21:19pm

re: #3 Stanghazi

MY DOG. You are loving this shit.

He isn't loving it, Killgore just hates that sort of lies.

14 efuseakay  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:22:09pm

re: #11 Obdicut

It might be faked. It's happened before. But it's hardly a very dramatic injury to fake.

Hell, it could just be the guy fainting.

But there will be civilian casualties.

There never aren't civilian casualties in war.

One interesting thing I caught via ABC Nightly News at dinner tonight... the reporter re: Gaza said that local residents said they wish more rockets would be fired at Israel/for the rockets to never stop.

Not saying that's justification for what's going on there now, but it kind of does put things into perspective. Unfortunately.

15 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:22:50pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

If the video clearly showed a continuous scene in which the man was carried off and then got up and walked around, it would be a conclusive fake.

But this video cuts from the man being carried, to a message for several seconds, then to images of the man walking around.

Yes, it looks like the same man. But it's edited, with no way to tell what the real sequence of those two scenes is.

Agreed, inconclusive but it looks funky enough to be problematic. Either way, good honest scoop from Honest Reporting. I'm glad people are sstill watching out for this stuff.

16 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:26:16pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Agreed, inconclusive but it looks funky enough to be problematic. Either way, good honest scoop from Honest Reporting. I'm glad people are sstill watching out for this stuff.

Moreover, its fair not to give Hamas the benefit of the doubt, while still extending that benefit to the IDF. This is because Hamas has faked casualties many times and the IDF has never put together a deliberately inaccurate version of events surrounding its counter-terrorist operations.

17 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:26:55pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

He isn't loving it, Killgore just hates that sort of lies.

See: Defense of Romney

Bullshit. Or I guess that's a different type of lie.

18 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:27:20pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Agreed, inconclusive but it looks funky enough to be problematic. Either way, good honest scoop from Honest Reporting. I'm glad people are sstill watching out for this stuff.

Unless they can produce an unedited video that shows the real sequence of events, this isn't a scoop.

19 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:29:38pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Unless they can produce an unedited video that shows the real sequence of events, this isn't a scoop.

Well, since they're going by BBC videos my guess is BBC just won't run the video anymore and pretend it never happened. They have enough problems.

20 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:32:18pm

the fact that hollywood can create moving images that look more real than your teenage sister in too much makeup has not been lost on the rest of the world

while for decades photos and especially moving images carried considerable documentary weight, and negatives could be tested for artifacts, these days who the fuck knows

just wait till they get the holograms coming after you in your living room

21 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:34:13pm

Defense of Romney

misdemeanor or felony?

22 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:35:57pm

Batmans biggest weapon in his utility belt is his checkbook.

23 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:36:27pm

re: #17 Stanghazi

See: Defense of Romney

Bullshit. Or I guess that's a different type of lie.

You are tilting at windmills.

24 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:37:05pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Thank you.

25 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:37:17pm

re: #20 engineer cat

the fact that hollywood can create moving images that look more real than your teenage sister in too much makeup has not been lost on the rest of the world

And yet we still get things like Birdemic

26 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:37:46pm

Sometimes following a thread on LGF is like watching an episode of Big Bang Theory.
I like to do both at the same time, and then try to figure out who comes closest to Sheldon...

27 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:38:16pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Well, since they're going by BBC videos my guess is BBC just won't run the video anymore and pretend it never happened. They have enough problems.

Sorry, but a big honking cut right in the middle of the video, with one segment showing him being carried off and one segment showing him walking around, tends to set off warning sirens for me.

Hamas sometimes fakes casualties, agreed. But this edited video doesn't smell right.

28 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:40:28pm

re: #22 Amory Blaine

Batmans biggest weapon in his utility belt is his checkbook.

"Steve, Didn't you work on building a military vehicle for Wayne Enterprises a few years back?"

"Yeah."

"Didn't it look exactly like the thing Batman is driving across the roof in this chase on TV?"

"Yeah."

"Wow, what are the odds?"

29 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:40:51pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

You are tilting at windmills.

Please explain.

30 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:41:42pm

re: #29 Stanghazi

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

31 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:42:16pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

No, KT, in your own words. Type them out.

32 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:43:06pm
33 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:43:27pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Sorry, but a big honking cut right in the middle of the video, with one segment showing him being carried off and one segment showing him walking around, tends to set off warning sirens for me.

Hamas sometimes fakes casualties, agreed. But this edited video doesn't smell right.

This. I just finished posting a comment on Daniel's Page about it.

34 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:46:38pm

re: #25 Kragar

And yet we still get things like Birdemic

the bastard offspring of an emetic and a dead genius who singlehandedly invented modern jazz?

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:47:24pm

re: #29 Stanghazi

Please explain.

He knows he can get away with his trolling and intellectual dishonesty. Therefore you're wasting your time trying to get him to change. That's what he's admitting.

36 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:47:36pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Not all stories have happy endings.

I can't think of a single StoryCorps story that ends happily. NPR, for all its faults, is the only thing I can stand to listen to on the radio, and every Friday morning when that damned acoustic guitar intro comes on, I know I'm in for a round of gut-wrenching misery and despair.

It's always people who fell in love and never followed up on it, only to have the object of their affection die in some awful way that could have prevented by the person telling the story, or 90 year-old WWII veterans tearfully recounting the nightmares they've had for the past 70 years about killing a young German soldier in the forest or watching his shipmates burn to death at Pearl Harbor.

37 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:47:42pm

Rubber-Glass is cool

The researchers were inspired by their observations in macroscopic ballistic tests in which a complex multiblock copolymer polyurethane material showed the ability to not only stop a 9 mm bullet but also seal the entryway behind it.

“The polymer has actually arrested the bullet and sealed it,” Thomas said, holding a hockey puck-sized piece of clear plastic with three bullets firmly embedded. “There’s no macroscopic damage; the material hasn’t failed; it hasn’t cracked. You can still see through it. This would be a great ballistic windshield material.

“We want to find out why this polyurethane works the way it does. Theoretically, no one understood why this particular kind of material – which has nanoscale features of glassy and rubbery domains – would be so good at dissipating energy,” he said.

38 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:48:33pm

re: #35 William Barnett-Lewis

He knows he can get away with his trolling and intellectual dishonesty. Therefore you're wasting your time trying to get him to change. That's what he's admitting.

I've been trolled again!

I do want to say, there's a problem here.

39 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:48:53pm

re: #28 Kragar

"Steve, Didn't you work on building a military vehicle for Wayne Enterprises a few years back?"

"Yeah."

"Didn't it look exactly like the thing Batman is driving across the roof in this chase on TV?"

"Yeah."

"Wow, what are the odds?"

Those are of course always 'experimental'. This is because if the Army ever selected a Wayne Enterprises design for a large order, you'd hear something like:

"But more immediately, you'll have to give up crime fighting for the next 3 weeks Mr. Wayne. You've got to fly down to DC next week and smooze up some senators. And when you get back we'll have to have you work on setting up your Super PAC."

"Super PAC? Why can't I fight crime instead of making political donations?"

"Because sir, in order to get this contract we had to underbid and you'll need political support to get the extra money we'll ask for when the 'unexpected cost overruns' come up."

/This really happens in defense procurement.

40 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:49:12pm

re: #36 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I can't think of a single StoryCorps story that ends happily. NPR, for all its faults, is the only thing I can stand to listen to on the radio, and every Friday morning when that damned acoustic guitar intro comes on, I know I'm in for a round of gut-wrenching misery and despair.

It's always people who fell in love and never followed up on it, only to have the object of their affection die in some awful way that could have prevented by the person telling the story, or 90 year-old WWII tearfully recounting the nightmares they've had for the past 70 years about killing a young German soldier in the forest or watching his shipmates burn to death at Pearl Harbor.

Tears, every single time.

It's actually awesome. Real life.

41 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:51:50pm

re: #34 engineer cat

the bastard offspring of an emetic and a dead genius who singlehandedly invented modern jazz?

The Official BIRDEMIC: SHOCK AND TERROR Theatrical Trailer

42 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 6:52:45pm
43 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:03:13pm

Boom!

44 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:03:23pm

re: #40 Stanghazi

and

gah!

45 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:04:42pm

And for our "wrong-headed hater mocking" this evening, we have our 'fan club' at the Stalker Blog, where Rodan, AKA Daedalus AKA Dorkus deliberately misrepresents the response to my comment about Israel firing missile at 'car swarms' of Palestinians (later on the thread where I said the comment I walked it back). Dorkus isn't after me, he's attacking other lizards who were appropriately critical of me and calling them anti-Israel. Deranged Gellerism at it dishonest worst.

[waves to the Stalkers.]

46 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:05:20pm

re: #44 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

[Embedded content]

gah!

I HEARD THAT ONE. Puffy red eyes at work. Man oh man. You others here please listen.

47 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:07:40pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

And for our "wrong-headed hater mocking" this evening, we have our 'fan club' at the Stalker Blog, where Rodan, AKA Daedalus AKA Dorkus deliberately misrepresents the response to my comment about Israel firing missile at 'car swarms' of Palestinians (later on the thread where I said the comment I walked it back). Dorkus isn't after me, he's attacking other lizards who were appropriately critical of me and calling them anti-Israel. Deranged Gellerism at it dishonest worst.

[waves to the Stalkers.]

They are deranged and yearn for the 2004 LGF. That's why we recoil to the points of 2004 that come up, & they pick up on it right away. Car Swarms & the Rooster = 2 things today.

48 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:08:41pm

re: #47 Stanghazi

They are deranged and yearn for the 2004 LGF. That's why we recoil to the points of 2004 that come up, & they pick up on it right away. Car Swarms & the Rooster = 2 things today.

The Rooster?

49 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:09:24pm

re: #47 Stanghazi

They are deranged and yearn for the 2004 LGF. That's why we recoil to the points of 2004 that come up, & they pick up on it right away. Car Swarms & the Rooster = 2 things today.

Oh and the video that exaggerates casualties. Yeah, that one's been done before in 2004.

Real shit is happening now, give up the stupid cliches.

50 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:09:50pm

re: #48 OhNoZombies!

The Rooster?

Should I even ask?

51 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:10:09pm

re: #48 OhNoZombies!

The Rooster?

Go ahead and do a LGF search.

Edited, because that was disrespectful to the blogmaster. I just dislike those times and the comments made.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:12:55pm

re: #50 OhNoZombies!

Should I even ask?

During Operation Cast Lead, there was a camera feed on a roof in Gaza, and the Lizards became very fond of a rooster who was, apparently, ignoring the entire barrage and continued to be heard crowing at odd hours no matter what.

He was actually very popular on a number of websites, and was apparently known to some as Gaza Bob.

[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

53 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:12:56pm

re: #50 OhNoZombies!

Should I even ask?

During the 2006 war, Charles posted a thread that contained a live video/audio feed from Gaza. It was the middle of the night there, and once in a while you could see explosions, but there was a constant rooster crowing all night long, even though they are supposed to only crow at daybreak.

There was really nothing else to comment on during that live feed, except for the rooster crowing.

54 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:13:15pm

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

GMTA!

55 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:14:29pm

I just hope all this shit gets straightened out before my trip, because that would totally suck.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:14:36pm

re: #49 Stanghazi

Oh and the video that exaggerates casualties. Yeah, that one's been done before in 2004.

Real shit is happening now, give up the stupid cliches.

Unfortunately, the faked videos have been a common enough thing that I've pretty much given up assuming that any set of photos or footage coming out of Gaza is valid until it's been poked at a bit.

And it doesn't seem to matter how much real shit is happening, either.

57 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:14:37pm

re: #50 OhNoZombies!

Should I even ask?

During Operation Cast Lead in 2008, there was a Internet streaming camera mounted in a tallish building Gaza that gave panoramic views of some of the airstrikes and sometimes gave clues as to where the ground fighting was happening. The camera had an audio pickup and was located close to where someone was keeping a rooster. At times the rooster could be heard crowing, and as a result he was known as the "Gaza Rooster".

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:16:15pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

I just hope all this shit gets straightened out before my trip, because that would totally suck.

I hope so too. This ain't fun for anyone.

59 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:16:30pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

Unfortunately, the faked videos have been a common enough thing that I've pretty much given up assuming that any set of photos or footage coming out of Gaza is valid until it's been poked at a bit.

And it doesn't seem to matter how much real shit is happening, either.

Daylife put their photo stream behind a paywall, so those Photoshop smokes or knife crops can't be spotted any more.

60 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:17:36pm

Just since people are wondering
[Link: switch3.castup.net...]
Gaza looks nice tonight. All the lights are on, not a rooster to be heard.

61 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:17:47pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

During Operation Cast Lead in 2008, there was a Internet streaming camera mounted in a tallish building Gaza that gave panoramic views of some of the airstrikes and sometimes gave clues as to where the ground fighting was happening. The camera had an audio pickup and was located close to where someone was keeping a rooster. At times the rooster could be heard crowing, and as a result he was known as the "Gaza Rooster".

11.7 miles by 11.7 miles. Fenced in with armed solders on the perimeter. Including armored personnel carriers, tanks, and typically F-16 air cover. Additionally the Iron Dome and 2 US naval fleets.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:18:14pm

The theory here was that the Gaza Rooster was actually working for Mossad. I've seen it referenced on other sites with the assumption that it was facing down the IAF. Everyone sort of--projected onto the chicken.

63 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:19:05pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

The theory here was that the Gaza Rooster was actually working for Mossad. I've seen it referenced on other sites with the assumption that it was facing down the IAF. Everyone sort of--projected onto the chicken.

It wasn't healthy or helpful. Bummed it's a great memory today.

64 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:19:12pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

The theory here was that the Gaza Rooster was actually working for Mossad. I've seen it referenced on other sites with the assumption that it was facing down the IAF. Everyone sort of--projected onto the chicken.

Gaza Rooster is about laughing at the Palestinians and Hamas.

65 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:19:22pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

I just hope all this shit gets straightened out before my trip, because that would totally suck.

You're going to Israel? Please be safe.

66 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:19:45pm

I don't think it's cool. At all.

67 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:20:25pm

re: #61 Gus

11.7 miles by 11.7 miles. Fenced in with armed solders on the perimeter. Including armored personnel carriers, tanks, and typically F-16 air cover. Additionally the Iron Dome and 2 US naval fleets.

If the people of Gaza want a better deal, they must cease their support of terrorism. It's their own fault Israel needs to maintain such tight security.

68 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:20:29pm

re: #65 CuriousLurker

You're going to Israel? Please be safe.

My daughter lives there.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:20:39pm

re: #64 Gus

Gaza Rooster is about laughing at the Palestinians and Hamas.

Well, now we've got that settled.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:21:04pm

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

My daughter lives there.

Whereabouts?

71 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:21:28pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

If the people of Gaza want a better deal, they must cease their support of terrorism. It's their own fault Israel needs to maintain such tight security.

Those who don't support terrorism still have to live in Gaza. You don't get a free ticket out by saying you don't support it. Except of the pine box variety.

72 dragonfire1981  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:21:32pm

re: #53 Vicious Babushka

During the 2006 war, Charles posted a thread that contained a live video/audio feed from Gaza. It was the middle of the night there, and once in a while you could see explosions, but there was a constant rooster crowing all night long, even though they are supposed to only crow at daybreak.

There was really nothing else to comment on during that live feed, except for the rooster crowing.

As the owner of a rooster and several hens I can say with accuracy that the darn things will crow whenever they darned well feel like it, not just in the morning. I woke up once at 3 am and the stupid bird started doing it.

73 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:22:08pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, now we've got that settled.

Developing: I never see anything as settled.

74 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:22:16pm

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

My daughter lives there.

Well, let me know before you leave so I can include (both of) you in my prayers.

75 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:23:43pm

re: #71 Obdicut

Those who don't support terrorism still have to live in Gaza. You don't get a free ticket out by saying you don't support it. Except of the pine box variety.

I know. But Israel cannot let its guard down until the threat has been reduced greatly, and the changes that would lead to that threat reduction must come from within Gaza.

76 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:24:12pm

re: #64 Gus

Gaza Rooster is about laughing at the Palestinians and Hamas.

I've never heard of that one; must've been before my (LGF) time, like Baghdad Bob. Sounds like it's for the best that I remain ignorant.

77 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:26:02pm

re: #76 CuriousLurker

I've never heard of that one; must've been before my (LGF) time, like Baghdad Bob. Sounds like it's for the best that I remain ignorant.

Absolutely. If you go back and read the comments......it's not just a rooster crowing.

78 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:26:55pm

re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #53 Vicious Babushka

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

re: #64 Gus

re: #51 Stanghazi

I think that's everyone...
Thanks !

79 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:27:35pm

re: #76 CuriousLurker

I've never heard of that one; must've been before my (LGF) time, like Baghdad Bob. Sounds like it's for the best that I remain ignorant.

People died after the bombings but the Gaza rooster always crowed since he survived the bombing. The audience laughed. Then one day the Gaza Rooster stopped crowing. It's like a right wing metaphor for Gazans dying and being of a lower life form then roosters.

80 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:27:45pm

re: #77 Stanghazi

Absolutely. If you go back and read the comments......it's not just a rooster crowing.

I try to avoid the archives like the plague. //

How the heck have you been anyway?

81 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:27:56pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

Whereabouts?

She used to live in Tzefat, but her husband got a new job and now they live in Jerusalem, right near Liberty Bell Park.

82 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:28:55pm

re: #76 CuriousLurker

I've never heard of that one; must've been before my (LGF) time, like Baghdad Bob. Sounds like it's for the best that I remain ignorant.

Baghdad Bob was...I think the defense minister for Iraq during the invasion. He became famous for saying something to the effect of "America soldiers are not in the city" or something when we had already taken most of everything. Bunch of .gifs were made of him, that quote, and a G.I.'s head poking up behind him.

83 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:29:01pm

I pimp LGF, and try to defend by referencing today. Seriously, the banned come from that time. It was not pretty, and it's head is rearing somewhat.

Just my own opinion.

84 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:30:04pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

I know.

If you know, then why the simplistic "It's their own fault"? That kind of group blame bullshit is and always will remain bullshit.

People are dying. Israelis and Palestinians. Citizens on both 'sides'. Imagine being a guy in Gaza who's decided Hamas are a bunch of fuckers. What do you exactly do? In what way can you effectively resist them? I have no fucking clue what I'd do, if I were an ordinary citizen in a place ruled by thugs. I bet I would keep my head down and try to look out for me and mine if I'd been raised there. I doubt I'd be a firebrand revolutionary trying to throw them over.

I don't know how a people can effectively fight back both against what's essentially a theocracy mixed with a military dictatorship plus a gigantic diet of propaganda. Saying that Gazans have to reject it is a fine statement, but how? Is there any parallel in history? In general, oppressive regimes fall from infighting and corruption, but Hamas isn't even a regime, they're not even that functional.

85 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:30:16pm

re: #79 Gus

People died after the bombings but the Gaza rooster always crowed since he survived the bombing. The audience laughed. Then one day the Gaza Rooster stopped crowing. It's like a right wing metaphor for Gazans dying and being of a lower life forms then roosters.

Ugh. Thanks (I think).

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:30:43pm

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

She used to live in Tzefat, but her husband got a new job and now they live in Jerusalem, right near Liberty Bell Park.

I've always wanted to visit Tzfat. One of my mother's coworkers had to spend six months there, and he says it is the most boring place known to man, but he is not a spiritual type.

Of course, he grew up on Kibbutz Megiddo, with front-row seats to the end of the world, so I guess his standards for entertainment are pretty high.

87 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:30:54pm

re: #82 Ghost of Tom Joad

Baghdad Bob was...I think the defense minister for Iraq during the invasion. He became famous for saying something to the effect of "America soldiers are not in the city" or something when we had already taken most of everything. Bunch of .gifs were made of him, that quote, and a G.I.'s head poking up behind him.

LOL, thanks.

88 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:31:37pm

re: #85 CuriousLurker

Ugh. Thanks (I think).

Don't take my word for it. ;)

89 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:31:51pm

re: #77 Stanghazi

Absolutely. If you go back and read the comments......it's not just a rooster crowing.

I skimmed.
It was Bizarro LGF.

90 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:32:03pm

re: #87 CuriousLurker

Image: blog+212.jpg

Off a quick Googling.

91 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:32:05pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

I've always wanted to visit Tzfat. One of my mother's coworkers had to spend six months there, and he says it is the most boring place known to man, but he is not a spiritual type.

Of course, he grew up on Kibbutz Megiddo, with front-row seats to the end of the world, so I guess his standards for entertainment are pretty high.

Tzefat is totally gorgeous. There is not much night life, but it is the classic Kabbalah source so you might spot a celebrity.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:32:26pm

re: #82 Ghost of Tom Joad

Baghdad Bob was...I think the defense minister for Iraq during the invasion. He became famous for saying something to the effect of "America soldiers are not in the city" or something when we had already taken most of everything. Bunch of .gifs were made of him, that quote, and a G.I.'s head poking up behind him.

Baghdad Bob was, in fact, fairly hilarious. I always took him for a guy who had a job to do, and was going to do it. He's in the UAE now, with his family, and I say, good for him.

93 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:33:23pm

re: #90 Ghost of Tom Joad

Image: blog+212.jpg

Off a quick Googling.

Hahahahaha

94 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:33:54pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

I try to avoid the archives like the plague. //

How the heck have you been anyway?

Good good! Sorry about your troubles after the storm, we were kinda freaking out. You are thought of a lot, take it as that.

Funny to me tid bit about my life - I'm so into my Christmas tree. It's an artifical silver tree, I have a huge huge amount of 50's -60's glass ornaments. Well, my routine is to put it up day after Thanksgiving. Well, I'll be at my Dad's in SC, so I put it up yesterday so it will be there waiting for me on my return. (neighbors think I'm a little off)

95 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:33:55pm

Iron Dome in use during Israeli Wedding


Bosa nova makes everything more better.
96 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:34:38pm
97 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:35:43pm

While I'm here.

98 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:36:13pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Iron Dome in use during Israeli Wedding

[Embedded content]


Bosa nova makes everything more better.

Awesome system.

99 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:36:57pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Awesome system.

It really is a surreal scene.

100 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:37:09pm

re: #96 Gus

Iraq bombings kill 17 on eve of Muharram and Ashura

I know what you're doing, but you didn't need to do it.

101 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:37:17pm

re: #94 Stanghazi

Good good! Sorry about your troubles after the storm, we were kinda freaking out. You are thought of a lot, take it as that.

Funny to me tid bit about my life - I'm so into my Christmas tree. It's an artifical silver tree, I have a huge huge amount of 50's -60's glass ornaments. Well, my routine is to put it up day after Thanksgiving. Well, I'll be at my Dad's in SC, so I put it up yesterday so it will be there waiting for me on my return. (neighbors think I'm a little off)

Ah, the storm, yes. Thanks!

Ooooh, the tree sounds very sparkly. They don't make ornaments like those old ones anymore. Send me a pic when you get home!

102 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:37:24pm

re: #97 Gus

While I'm here.

[Embedded content]

Why is it that people who claim to be realists on matters of race or Islam have absolutely no connection to reality?

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:37:36pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Iron Dome in use during Israeli Wedding

[Embedded content]


Bosa nova makes everything more better.

It's beautiful, in an eerie, horrible way.

104 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:37:41pm

re: #100 Ghost of Tom Joad

I know what you're doing, but you didn't need to do it.

I'm tricksy like that.

105 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:38:28pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

Why is it that people who claim to be realists on matters of race or Islam have absolutely no connection to reality?

Wish I knew.

106 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:39:04pm

re: #97 Gus

While I'm here.

[Embedded content]

Islamorealism...
Sounds strangely familiar.
Hmmmm.

107 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:39:39pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Iron Dome in use during Israeli Wedding

[Embedded content]
Bosa nova makes everything more better.

On 10 March 2012, The Jerusalem Post reported that the system shot down 90% of rockets launched from Gaza it fired at

Good to know it works.

108 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:39:52pm

re: #106 OhNoZombies!

Islamorealism...
Sounds strangely familiar.
Hmmmm.

It's awful.

109 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:40:56pm

re: #104 Gus

I'm tricksy like that.

Tricksy hobbits.

110 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:41:06pm

re: #107 Ghost of Tom Joad

Good to know it works.

It seems to work pretty well but I think coverage is still thin.

111 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:41:13pm

re: #96 Gus

Jesus.

As security forces and bystanders gathered at the scene, there was a second blast, leaving at least five people dead and 34 wounded.

"My child was killed! His friends were killed!" Shukriyah Rauf screamed after the blast, according to AFP. "There is no security here, our homes were destroyed!"

A separate attack in Kirkuk wounded seven street cleaners.

"The car bomb targeted our friends - they are not police, soldiers or politicians," said Jassim al-Obeidi. "They just wanted to make a little money."

Another car bomb targeted an army patrol in the nearby, predominantly Sunni town of Hawija, killing at least four people.

In the town of Hilla, south of Baghdad, a vehicle packed with explosives blew up near a girls' secondary school and a crowded poultry market, leaving at least six people dead and dozens wounded, among them reportedly schoolchildren.

A blast was also reported in the town of Bald Ruz, in the central province of Diyala.

In the capital, Baghdad, one person was killed and at least six were wounded in a series of blasts.

One of the explosions went off near the Palestine and Ishtar Sheraton hotels, two of the city's biggest, shattering nearby windows. Another blast was reported in the central Firdous Square.

Iraq remains broken. Afghanistan is broken. Palestine is broken. At this point I hope the Arab spring just produces one country that clambers into stability.

And all along the way, some people are making money off of this, and some people are getting power.

112 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:42:12pm

re: #108 Gus

It's awful.

Geller and Spencer are terrible people.

113 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:43:13pm

re: #90 Ghost of Tom Joad

Image: blog+212.jpg

Off a quick Googling.

resembles a quick rogering, but with fewer sound effects and poking

114 Gus  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:45:32pm

There is no Islamorealism. Muslims are all different.

115 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:46:00pm

re: #110 Killgore Trout

It seems to work pretty well but I think coverage is still thin.

It's like any active defense, having a finite limit of how many incoming rockets or missiles it can detect, track, and engage. Its tracking capabilities have recently been improved and it seems to be capable of defeating greater salvo densities than previously.

116 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:48:33pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

It's beautiful, in an eerie, horrible way.

It's... I don't know how people live under the stress of it all. I'm quite certain living in a war zone like Israel, Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any number of African countires for more than a few weeks would drive me utterly insane. I. Could. Not. Take. It.

We are sooo fucking lucky here.

117 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:49:30pm

i hear that baghdad bob has a twitter tag called #shitmydictatorsays

118 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:55:19pm

I don't even remember why I didn't go to prom.

I'm old.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:55:51pm

re: #116 CuriousLurker

It's... I don't know how people live under the stress of it all. I'm quite certain living in a war zone like Israel, Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any number of African countires for more than a few weeks would drive me utterly insane. I. Could. Not. Take. It.

We are sooo fucking lucky here.

People smoke a lot, and compartmentalize.

And yeah. We're lucky.

120 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:57:08pm

re: #118 Obdicut

I don't even remember why I didn't go to prom.

I'm old.

Ugh. Old.
My b-day was yesterday, and I think I was a little depressed.

121 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:57:44pm

re: #116 CuriousLurker

In some places, it's just a way of life. Obviously going from what we have here to a situation like that would be too big of a culture shock for most to handle.

It's a shame that many people can't get a chance to just enjoy life.

122 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 7:59:42pm

re: #118 Obdicut

I don't even remember why I didn't go to prom.

I'm old.

Well, maybe this will cheer you and Freetoken up.

Pointless celebrity photos are like popcorn for the soul.

123 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:00:25pm

We are sooo fucking lucky here

yes, but when the aliens come toting their book on How To Serve Man, we will be the entree

124 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:01:02pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

People smoke a lot, and compartmentalize.

And yeah. We're lucky.

That's one of the reasons Doonesbury was great. It reminded us of that shit. Like when the Reverend is hiding El Salvadorans in the basement at Walden, and Mike is upstairs sobbing because he thinks his wife is leaving him. One of the El Salvadorans asks what's wrong, and Mike says he's lost his wife. The El Salvadoran sympathizes, saying that he lost his wife when Contras accused her of collaborating with Sandinista and executed her, so he understands the pain of losing a wife.

125 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:02:24pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

I'm not that into dresses, but thanks.

I'm more into this:

Tribolites

126 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:05:22pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Well, maybe this will cheer you and Freetoken up.

Pointless celebrity photos are like popcorn for the soul.

prom queens and porn queens have an Edit Distance of exactly 2

127 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:05:43pm

re: #121 Ghost of Tom Joad

In some places, it's just a way of life. Obviously going from what we have here to a situation like that would be too big of a culture shock for most to handle.

I suppose most would adapt & survive like they did in WWII, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to find out, personally.

It's a shame that many people can't get a chance to just enjoy life.

*SIGH* Yeah.

128 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:06:00pm

re: #125 Obdicut

I'm not that into dresses, but thanks.

I'm more into this:

Tribolites

Well gee, why didn't you say so? I can get you plenty of stuff about Trilobites.

129 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:06:31pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Read the story. I think you'll like it. It's very American.

130 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:07:30pm

re: #126 engineer cat

prom queens and porn queens have an Edit Distance of exactly 2

OK, this should be interesting. How do you figure?

131 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:08:18pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

People smoke a lot, and compartmentalize.

I already smoke like a carton a week, so I guess I'd have to start drinking more coffee (or take up smoking some other kind of tobacco).

Compartmentalize. Yeah, I can see how that might help. A little.

132 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:11:03pm

re: #120 OhNoZombies!

Ugh. Old.
My b-day was yesterday, and I think I was a little depressed.

Cheers!!!! It's only a #. That's what I tell myself.

133 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:12:55pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Iron Dome in use during Israeli Wedding

[Embedded content]


Bosa nova makes everything more better.

That is just schizophrenic. Beauty of a flying bullet aimed at your head. Takes me back to the patriot missile videos so long ago. Positively Strangelovian.

134 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:14:41pm

What my grandma Beulah's Christmas tree looked like ~[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

She thought it was classy.

135 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:15:05pm

re: #133 Daniel Ballard

That is just schizophrenic. Beauty of a flying bullet aimed at your head. Takes me back to the patriot missile videos so long ago. Positively Strangelovian.

I was just thinking about why that video seems so familiar to me. Maybe Brazil

136 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:15:31pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

OK, this should be interesting. How do you figure?

to be completely literal minded, one transposition + one replacement => two

that was boring

levenshtein distance

it's a wonderfully compact and clever dynamic programming algorithm

137 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:16:04pm

re: #120 OhNoZombies!

Happy belated Birthday!!!

138 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:17:06pm

re: #132 Stanghazi

Cheers!!!! It's only a #. That's what I tell myself.

Yeah...that's true.
I remember when I took 'time' for granted. An hour seemed like an eternity.
Now, I keep trying to figure out where the hell 'time' went.

139 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:17:08pm

re: #133 Daniel Ballard

That is just schizophrenic. Beauty of a flying bullet aimed at your head. Takes me back to the patriot missile videos so long ago. Positively Strangelovian.

140 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:18:53pm

re: #137 prairiefire

Happy belated Birthday!!!

Thank you!

141 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:20:42pm

re: #140 OhNoZombies!

Thank you!

Ditto—Happy belated Birthday!

142 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:21:00pm

Okay, I watched the whole 4th season of Sons of Anarchy on Amazon Prime this week, so now I'm gonna grab my iPad and see if I can catch up with this week's episode of Nashville and today's Rachel Maddow Show.

I leave you with a tribute to Nashville & message to all the awfulness in the world. Have a good night, everyone. (Even you, KT.)

143 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:24:17pm

Prairie, my photos of the tree are shit. No justice, no post.

You need to see it in person.

144 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:25:12pm

re: #141 CuriousLurker

Thanks!

145 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:29:50pm

re: #143 Stanghazi

Prairie, my photos of the tree are shit. No justice, no post.

You need to see it in person.

Man, post a photo! I wanted to put my gran's up but it got moldy/corroded in storage. It looked like a Tim Burton tree. Upload an image, Stan.

146 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:32:34pm

Ronald Radosh takes to the pages of The Weekly Standard to give Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States the literary backhand it deserves. A sample from the article's third page:

Another event whose treatment reveals the shabby methods of Stone and his partner is Truman’s decision to drop the atomic bombs. Stone claims that Japan had already lost the war, that the Japanese military leaders were ready to accept a peace agreement, that major military figures including Dwight Eisenhower and Douglas MacArthur opposed the bombs’ use, that Truman reached the decision after ignoring the pleas of Nobel scientists, and that he did so to intimidate Russia and end the war against Japan before Russia could join it, as Stalin had agreed to do.

This is the thesis that Soviet agents and apologists like Carl Marzani, P. M.S. Blackett, and Dana F. Fleming laid out in the first years of the Cold War and which was revived (and lent legitimacy) 40 years ago by left-wing historian Gar Alperovitz. In the interim, however, major books and academic articles based on archival research in Japan and the United States—by Wilson D. Miscamble, Richard B. Frank, Robert James Maddox, Sadao Asada, and many others—have discredited the argument. But for Oliver Stone, there is only one truth, the “truth” that discredits the United States.

According to Stone, the dropping of the atomic bombs was criminal because the war was over, Japan defeated, and its leaders wanted peace. According to Stone, Truman lied when he said that American lives would have been lost in the invasion that would have been necessary if the bombs had not been dropped. His purpose in dropping the bombs was to show Stalin “that the United States would stop at nothing to impose its will.”

But as Richard B. Frank, author of the magisterial Downfall: The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire, wrote in these pages in 2005:

All three of the critics’ central premises are wrong: The Japanese did not see their situation as catastrophically hopeless. They were not seeking to surrender, but pursuing a negotiated end to the war that preserved the old order in Japan, not just a figurehead emperor. Finally, .  .  . American leaders .  .  . understood .  .  . that “until the Japanese leaders realize that an invasion cannot be repelled, there is little likelihood that they will accept any peace terms satisfactory to the Allies.”

In those last lines, Frank quotes from a July 1945 U.S. analysis of military and diplomatic intercepts. He adds, “This cannot be improved upon as a succinct and accurate summary of the military and diplomatic realities of the summer of 1945.” As for Stone, having dispensed with the facts, he is pleased to depict Truman as a moral monster and “war criminal.”

147 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:34:00pm

Colbert just now - "The President is about to pardon a turkey......What did the turkey know about Benghazi?!?!"

148 jaunte  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:36:41pm

re: #147 JamesWI

Q: What did the turkey know about Benghazi?
A: More than McCain. The turkey went to the briefing.

149 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:38:57pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Aw, come on! What's wrong with that?

150 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:46:50pm

re: #147 JamesWI

Colbert just now - "The President is about to pardon a turkey......What did the turkey know about Benghazi?!?!"

Colbert missed the story. The turkey Obama pardoned spent time in the same fowl run as the Gaza Rooster. B. Hussein Obama pardoned the turkey so that key intel would not get passed to Israel, proving once again how he worships Islam!!1

151 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:48:45pm

re: #145 prairiefire

Man, post a photo! I wanted to put my gran's up but it got moldy/corroded in storage. It looked like a Tim Burton tree. Upload an image, Stan.

tree 1

152 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:51:39pm

re: #151 Stanghazi

tree 1

tree 2 LOOKS SO MUCH BETTAH THEN THESE PIX

Oh, and to photo, turned off lights. Much better if you were here in person.

153 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:53:24pm

re: #134 prairiefire

What my grandma Beulah's Christmas tree looked like ~[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

She thought it was classy.

It's a perfectly lovely grandma tree.

But what do I know? I never even had a Hanukkah bush.

154 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:53:40pm

re: #151 Stanghazi

tree 1

Lovely! That topper is great, three globes, kind of rare because they broke so easily. Love the vintage pinecone, they all look vintage. Lucky girl.

155 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:53:52pm

re: #152 Stanghazi

tree 2 LOOKS SO MUCH BETTAH THEN THESE PIX

Oh, and to photo, turned off lights. Much better if you were here in person.

I love your ornaments!
My grandparents had a topper like that, except it was red.

156 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:55:25pm

re: #152 Stanghazi

tree 2 LOOKS SO MUCH BETTAH THEN THESE PIX

Oh, and to photo, turned off lights. Much better if you were here in person.

Ladies of LGF party at Stanley's!

157 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:56:26pm

re: #154 prairiefire

Lovely! That topper is great, three globes, kind of rare because they broke so easily. Love the vintage pinecone, they all look vintage. Lucky girl.

Oh the $ and time I spent getting these. Ebay and thrift stores. Many a plane ride with my precious in a bag in front of me. Thanks!

158 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:56:35pm

re: #151 Stanghazi

tree 1

The Larch...

The Larch...

159 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:57:13pm

re: #156 prairiefire

Ladies of LGF party at Stanley's!

Are you kidding me? That would make my 5 years of anything.

Open invite, get your shit together. San Diego baby!

160 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:58:21pm

re: #153 Joanne

Thank you. My Grandma Beulah was a gum snapping, (she liked "cloves"), snazzy gal. She could have been running GM, but was allotted 4 kids and 50,000 clubs, bridge groups, church activities, etc., instead.

161 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 8:58:59pm

Okay...I just watched the most stupid movie. Looked like your average espionage hijack flick, but half way through, half the cast gets raptured off the plane...yeah, it's from the Left Behind series.

Funny thing about the film...the only "Christians" they developed in the film were killed by the terrorists...except the Captain, who was gut shot but survived long enough to get swallowed up in "the big suck"...the happily ever after finds our hero parachuting to safety (because he's got a biometric chip implanted in him - the mark of the beast - and he doesn't want to be part of the evil corporation) strapped to another heathen, the first class flight attendant...but it's to the safety of Bangkok, Thailand swallowed in flames and riots. So happy.

Oh, and there was an ordained minister who didn't get sucked and lamented about how he thought his good deeds would get him through to heaven...fucking Faustian. See...Ministers won't get sucked by god because they don't actually believe what they preach. Ironic, no?

162 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:00:21pm

re: #160 prairiefire

Four kids alone is two full time jobs! That's why we have dogs. :-)

163 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:01:38pm

The Chieftains "Wren in the Furze" ~

I think I'm starting to get my holiday on!

164 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:03:57pm

re: #161 darthstar

Image: rapture1.jpg

165 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:05:30pm

re: #162 Joanne

Four kids alone is two full time jobs! That's why we have dogs. :-)

I've got one last story about Beulah ~ My mom, her brother, and two cousins were playing in the back of their grandpa's farm, running around. They all come running and screaming out of one of the sheds because they saw a snake. They tried to get all of the grown ups to do something about it, but they all blew them off. All except Beulah, who went into that shed and came back out with a big black snake in each hand, like some kind of Greek Goddess. sigh

166 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:06:15pm

re: #164 dragonath

Image: rapture1.jpg

How sad is it that people believe that stuff? Makes me go full bore atheist. I'm way too into reason. This just does not compute.

167 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:07:58pm

Good night now!

168 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:08:04pm

re: #165 prairiefire

Yikes!! I'm so citified. I used to go to the zoo to see trees. :-D

169 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:09:55pm

re: #164 dragonath

Image: rapture1.jpg

Luckily we have a more accurate depiction of the Rapture

Image: 1335745578204.jpg

170 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:11:45pm

John McNaughton must be so proud.

171 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:12:11pm

Night, lizards.

172 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:13:35pm
173 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:14:10pm

Night to those leaving. I'm soon behind ya.

174 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:15:16pm

re: #170 dragonath

John McNaughton must be so proud.

The assistant Secretary of Defense under McNamara?

175 Joanne  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:17:12pm

Obama is such a good guy. It kills me how the wingers treat him.


[Link: mobile.twitter.com...]

176 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:22:27pm

re: #175 Joanne

Obama is such a good guy. It kills me how the wingers treat him.

[Link: mobile.twitter.com...]

Yeah, that Kaczynski is a dick. I keep forgetting that (see my tweet above).

177 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:23:29pm

re: #174 Kragar

Bloody hell.

178 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:28:21pm

One "labor action" I support:

Retail employees fight "Black Friday creep"

Ideally, Casey St. Clair would be spending Thanksgiving relaxing and eating dinner with her boyfriend and his family.

Instead, the part-time Target employee and substitute teacher will work next Thursday night during the early kickoff of the big-box retailer's Black Friday sale. Stores will open at 9 p.m. on Thanksgiving this year, reflecting a wider shift in the retail industry toward getting a head start on the biggest shopping day of the year.

As it stands now, Toys R Us, Wal-Mart, Sears and KMart will be the first large retail chains to open their doors for bargain hunters at 8 p.m. Many other chains are open Thanksgiving Day, but their Black Friday sales don't start until midnight or Friday morning.

St. Clair, who lives in Corona, California, is scheduled to work Wednesday from 7 p.m. to 3 a.m. She'll return Thanksgiving Day before 9 p.m. and work until 5:15 on Friday morning. She has to sleep at some point, so traveling 45 minutes each way for Thanksgiving dinner is out.

SNIP

But after watching Black Friday sales start earlier each year, she decided the company had gone too far this time and started a Change.org petition asking Target CEO Gregg W. Steinhafel to forgo the plan to open stores on Thanksgiving.

"It's one of few days retail employees get to spend with their families, but at this point there's no time to see family," St. Clair said in a phone interview.

"My main issue is not with people wanting to shop; they can do that still, though I think that they can hold off until Friday without the world crashing down," she said. "My issue is that Target and other retailers have done something they have never done before in opening on Thanksgiving. My anger is aimed at the loss of a day that, up until now, was considered important enough for only the most essential services to be open."

As someone who has worked on Black Friday, I have agree with this. Employees need Thanksgiving to rest and relax. Starting Black Friday sales at 8-9pm on Thanksgiving will only result in tired and unhappy employees who are unable to serve the customers as well as rested ones could.

179 dragonath  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:30:56pm
180 Kragar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:31:22pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Any store which opens on Thursday evening is off my list of stores to shop at this year.

181 allegro  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:33:07pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

I will never get the Black Friday thing and am appalled at stores opening on Thanksgiving night. Jeez, can't people forgo shopping for one damn day?

182 darthstar  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:34:58pm

re: #181 allegro

I will never get the Black Friday thing and am appalled at stores opening on Thanksgiving night. Jeez, can't people forgo shopping for one damn day?

And what's worse is people just buy shit. Not good shit, senseless shit.

183 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:35:56pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Target is one of the shittiest retailers I ever worked for.
Yeesh.

184 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:39:06pm

re: #183 Varek Raith

Target is one of the shittiest retailers I ever worked for.
Yeesh.

How so?

185 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:44:23pm

re: #179 dragonath

Uh

Image: romney-660x920.jpg

Incomplete Inventory. He should have 1 million Gold, and should also have Magic Underpants listed under the kinds of armor he has.

186 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:44:29pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

One "labor action" I support:

Retail employees fight "Black Friday creep"

SNIP

As someone who has worked on Black Friday, I have agree with this. Employees need Thanksgiving to rest and relax. Starting Black Friday sales at 8-9pm on Thanksgiving will only result in tired and unhappy employees who are unable to serve the customers as well as rested ones could.

I not only support her petition, I'd like to amend it to just demand retailers stop pushing Christmas shopping back further and further in the year. It's gotten to the point where people have to buy Halloween supplies in August because by the time Halloween rolls around, the stores are already in the process of switching over to Christmas.

187 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:45:10pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

How so?

Crap pay.
They keep most workers under the hours required for their health plan.
Idiotic work scheduling. They had me a 20 hours a week. But! My schedule had to be clear for most of the week as they changed those constantly.
Couldn't get the needed second job. There's a reason they have a very high turnover rate.
So, I left.

188 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:45:53pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

I not only support her petition, I'd like to amend it to just demand retailers stop pushing Christmas shopping back further and further in the year. It's gotten to the point where people have to buy Halloween supplies in August because by the time Halloween rolls around, the stores are already in the process of switching over to Christmas.

I demand not hearing Christmas music until mid-December!!!

189 freetoken  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:46:27pm

One can tell that the next iteration in the UNFCCC's never ending annual meetings is about to take place (this next one in Doha, in one one of the most oil-guzzling per capita nations on the planet) because climate change is once again surfacing in the news (courtesy of the press release profession), and that AL GORE! is once again front and center:

Al Gore: I Drank Nate Silver’s Kool-Aid

I can see the headlines now:

AL GORE "DRANK THE KOOL-AID"!!

LEADING DEMOCRAT ADMITS THAT NATE SILVER IS "KOOL-AID"!!

Yippeeeeeeeeee..............

190 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:46:58pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

I not only support her petition, I'd like to amend it to just demand retailers stop pushing Christmas shopping back further and further in the year. It's gotten to the point where people have to buy Halloween supplies in August because by the time Halloween rolls around, the stores are already in the process of switching over to Christmas.

It's gotten a bit better here in Chicagoland. This year the vast majority of stores waited till November 1st to put up their Christmas stuff.

191 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:47:37pm

Someone down the street has Christmas decorations up.
All.
Year.
Round.
Drives me bonkers for some reason.
XD

192 freetoken  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:50:37pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

You know what?

193 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:50:40pm

re: #189 freetoken

One can tell that the next iteration in the UNFCCC's never ending annual meetings is about to take place (this next one in Doha, in one one of the most oil-guzzling per capita nations on the planet) because climate change is once again surfacing in the news (courtesy of the press release profession), and that AL GORE! is once again front and center:

Al Gore: I Drank Nate Silver’s Kool-Aid

I can see the headlines now:

AL GORE "DRANK THE KOOL-AID"!!

LEADING DEMOCRAT ADMITS THAT NATE SILVER IS "KOOL-AID"!!

Yippeeeeeeeeee..............

Cool. I posted a tidbit for you and Obdicut upthread.

194 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:51:51pm

re: #192 freetoken

You know what?

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File has no content. It just says 00:00.

195 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:53:00pm

re: #187 Varek Raith

Crap pay.
They keep most workers under the hours required for their health plan.
Idiotic work scheduling. They had me a 20 hours a week. But! My schedule had to be clear for most of the week as they changed those constantly.
Couldn't get the needed second job. There's a reason they have a very high turnover rate.
So, I left.

Sounds like my first job with Food Lion. Place had horrendous turnover, but I only found that out after I got hired. They brought me on as a bagger, but that was because they couldn't put "go-fer" on the government forms. We were responsible for bagging, keeping the restrooms clean, sweeping aisles, restocking bread, grabbing carts, and whatever other work they couldn't justify hiring dedicated employees for. Then about 3 months in, they decided to cross-train me as a cashier, so I had virtually no life, because on those days I didn't work as a bagger, I had to keep my schedule open in case they needed me to cover for another cashier.

Pay sucked, hours were lousy, and there were no benefits to speak of. Final straw was when they clued me in that, rather than 6 month evaluation period for the first raise they'd promised, it was actually 12 months. And even if they approved a raise, it had to wait til the district manager made his rounds for inspections, which might be another 6 months. I was already 9 months in when they told me that and I'd decided enough was enough.

196 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:53:11pm

re: #192 freetoken

You know what?

[Embedded content]

Same as DF.
But I feel I already know what it contains.
:)

197 freetoken  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:54:43pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

re: #196 Varek Raith

Hmmm... it works for me. Oh well, maybe one needs a secret word or something.

Oh, and Varek, don't worry, we have you commie atheists covered:

198 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 9:55:52pm

re: #197 freetoken

re: #196 Varek Raith

Hmmm... it works for me. Oh well, maybe one needs a secret word or something.

Oh, and Varek, don't worry, we have you commie atheists covered:

[Embedded content]

Lol.

199 freetoken  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 10:40:55pm

Egads, I killed the thread.

Anyway, here is something over which to cogitate:

First of All … Is handwriting on the wall for cursive?

The issue is whether handwriting ought to be a required subject in (grade) school.

I think it is a no brainer - of course it ought to be required. And that is not just because I learnt it.

As the article suggests, there is much to be said for the mutual development of our brains the development of our culture, evolutionarily speaking, as well as for the individual developmentally.

201 freetoken  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:34:21pm

re: #200 Varek Raith

From the link:

This is why Mitt Romney shouldn't have been president. He can't accept reality, and his judgment on his loss is more than suspect.

Either that, or he feels he has to pretend he can't accept reality.

202 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:40:49pm

re: #201 freetoken

From the link:

Either that, or he feels he has to pretend he can't accept reality.

I have no clue how anyone can keep track of multiple realities as Mitt has.
A truly amazing man.

203 freetoken  Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:54:52pm

re: #202 Varek Raith

A truly amazing man.

See, you should have voted for him. Don't you want a truly amazing man in the White House?

204 freetoken  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 12:05:58am

The BBC is to be lauded for, at times, producing some of the best documentaries (in the English speaking world, anyway) ever made.

However, there is a fatal flaw with the BBC, and it has been increasingly manifested the past few years in their documentaries. Their Britain-centric view of the world is strongly coloring their historical documentaries. Now, I guess that would be fine when they do histories of Britain (which they do often), but at other times it can still be downright tinged with colonial glasses when they give pretense at aiming bigger.

For example, in the recent major series Andrew Marr's History of the World, the presenter of which is not a historian or anthropologist by training, the early development of Homo sapiens is presented in a grotesquely simplistic manner, hung up on the Out of Africa theory in its most narrow and restricted (and now known to be wrong) sense.

And through all 8 episodes the changes in humanity continually gets narrowed down to funnel into the rise of Britain.

The BBC gets its funding by taking money from the UK taxpayers so I suppose it is only natural that said taxpayers want to hear that they are the center of the universe, but it is just more creationist-thought repackaged for the year 2012.

As I mentioned earlier today (now yesterday), this view that we (humans, or in this case one particularly tiny subset of humanity) are somehow the goal of all that went before, that we (however you want to scope "we") are special, is the essence of creationist thought, and though moderns like to think of themselves as not creationists, this we-are-the-special-endpoint-of-everything drive is common in secular media creations.

It's really, really hard to convince man he's not the center of the universe.

205 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 12:23:32am

re: #200 Varek Raith

Actually, Mitt, even a lot of white voters didn't want you

his 47% comment hit a lot of people in the gut: not just people who want "free stuff" but people who work hard, often at low-paying jobs. all they want is a fair chance to negotiate working conditions, health insurance and financial services.

that is what a responsible government should really be there for: to balance out the bargaining power between groups of individuals with limited resources and multi-billion, international corporations.

206 researchok  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 12:28:22am

Morning, all

207 researchok  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 12:31:47am

re: #197 freetoken

Favorited.

That will make its way around today.

208 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 12:36:52am

re: #191 Varek Raith

Someone down the street has Christmas decorations up.
All.
Year.
Round.
Drives me bonkers for some reason.
XD

In Germany, we have Käthe Wohlfart, a chain of stores that specilizes in Christmas stuff year-round. But at least its localized in the shops.

Our local grocery store started offering Christmas candy and Cookes in October already, but in general, public decorations do not go up until the staart of Advent, four Sundays before Xmas.

209 researchok  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 12:54:35am

re: #192 freetoken

Won't play. even after reboot.

210 freetoken  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 1:29:05am

Petra Magoni:

211 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:24:19am

Freeper posts in thread about military commanders being "ensnared" in sex scandals, tries for conspiracy theory of some kind, achieves world class word salad indicative of mental breakdown instead...

Throwing out something. Two spellings of Orka or Orca. One spelling Orka. One spelling Orca. and the Or in both. We know Orka is a fish (very large fish, and the killer nickname) in the ocean. We know Orca is a corporation, or a project employed by the Romney Campaign to get out the vote, or is Orca something different from the two prior. Orca is recent or not? Breaking the two word down further. Take Orka. Is the state of Kansas implied or a fact in some sort of code? Now Orca. Is the state of California implied or code? Now look at the states. Am familiar with both states and facts and am at this point forgetting the implied of the implications. Sex, Sex, Sex. Agreement sex is being used as a distraction. Am not forgetting that also. Digging Deeper, but must back away for the moment.

I think he should have backed away a little sooner, like before he gave himself brain damage.

212 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:25:40am

re: #211 watching you tiny alien kittens are

That's gotta be parody, right? Orka is a fish?

213 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:26:28am
Mitt Romney says he is a numbers guy, but in the end he got the numbers wrong. His campaign was adamant that public polls in the swing states were mistaken. They claimed the pollsters were over-estimating the number of Democrats who would turn out on Election Day. Romney’s campaign was certain that minorities would not show up for Obama in 2012 the way they did in 2008. “It just defied logic,” said a top aide of the idea that Obama could match, let alone exceed, his performance with minorities from the last election. When anyone raised the idea that public polls were showing a close race, the campaign’s pollster said the poll modeling was flawed and everyone moved on. Internally, the campaign’s own polling—tweaked to represent their view of the electorate, with fewer Democrats—showed a steady uptick for Romney since the first debate. Even on the morning of the election, Romney’s senior advisers weren’t close to hedging. They said he was going to win “decisively.” It seemed like spin, but the Boston Globe reports that a fireworks display was already ordered for the victory. Romney and Ryan thought they were going to win, say aides. “We were optimistic. More than just cautiously optimistic,” says one campaign staffer. When Romney lost, “it was like a death in the family.”

Thank God these assholes didn't win and will never govern. I'm Whitey McWhite Guy here and I all but knew that black turnout was going to be high in this election, and for one simple reason. Since Obama had already proven once that he could get enough white people to vote for him to be elected President, even the most disaffected and cynical of supporters no longer had any excuse for staying home on the theory that he couldn't possibly win. Many people inclined to vote for him but for whatever reason hadn't the first time around were motivated to on their final opportunity to fix that.

The saddest are those who bet against a high minority turnout, who tried to tell us that it would be down this year, for no other stated reason than because that's what they wanted, what they needed to win. I don't think you need any kind of special insight into the modern minority experience or how people of other ethnic groups view the world to understand that they are people and that people, in general, are not going to roll over simply because you want them to.

214 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:30:45am

re: #212 Obdicut

That's gotta be parody, right? Orka is a fish?

It does not appear to be...his post is just past halfway down the page...

no-to-illegals

215 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:33:22am

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

The GOP has lost its ability to self-assess for bullshit. It's what comes from being the anti-science party. Once you throw science out, all you're left with is people's truthiness.

I believe that they expected to win. I think they thought the combination of attempts to suppress voter turnout, some kinda Bradely effect, and voters being disaffected in Obama because of the slow economic recovery would win out. That was their theory, and that the facts were contradicting it didn't matter, because in the GOP, theory matters a lot more than reality.

They have become what they red-facedy shout about: Ivory tower academics unable to engage with the real world, restlessly revising their theories without ever facing the facts.

216 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:34:03am

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Let us not underestimate the motivating power of Todd Akin and his rapey colleagues when it came to getting out the women's votes, too.

217 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:35:49am

re: #215 Obdicut

They have become what they red-facedy shout about: Ivory tower academics unable to engage with the real world, restlessly revising their theories without ever facing the facts.

No, they are more like Medieval theologians: they are pursuing a Higher Truth, the Higher Truth of American Conservatism. The only facts they allow are the ones that serve this Higher Truth, and they are willing to bend facts to fit.

218 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:45:58am

This is my favorite bit of straight up dumbshit thinking from the last few days. Daniel Greenfield, whoever the fuck he is, arguing that the GOP looks more like America because the percentage of minorities that vote for them more closely matches the racial breakdown of the country.

One Graph That Shows Which Party Really Looks Like America

...

There’s America in gray. And the Republican Party in red right next to it. And there’s the Democratic Party off to the side looking nothing like America.

In all cases, the Republican vote is closer to the demographics of America than the Democratic vote.

He's actually arguing that it's somehow more "American" to be unpopular with minorities, on the simplistic basis that they are minorities. Apparently, if they were worth giving a shit about they'd make up a larger percentage of the population.

219 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:46:35am

re: #217 Sol Berdinowitz

No, they are more like Medieval theologians: they are pursuing a Higher Truth, the Higher Truth of American Conservatism. The only facts they allow are the ones that serve this Higher Truth, and they are willing to bend facts to fit.

Actually medieval theologians used much better logic, and tended to be pretty pro-science.

I didn't mean they're like actual academics, but like the fantasy version they have of academics as these detached weirdos living privileged lives where they surround themselves with only the information they want and take no responsibility for the consequences of any of their theories. These people don't exist, but their closest living relative are GOP members.

220 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:52:37am

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

He's actually arguing that it's somehow more "American" to be unpopular with minorities, on the simplistic basis that they are minorities. Apparently, if they were worth giving a shit about they'd make up a larger percentage of the population.

And how are blacks and minorities represented in leadership positions in business, politics and the GOP?

221 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:52:59am

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

Oops, he forgot to tack on an explanation for losing the women's vote.

I mean, obviously his whole 'theory' is bullshit because math doesn't work that way. He lacks a premise-- okay these groups have various percentages of the population. How on earth does that relate to the percentage of the vote? He never even makes a real claim. Is the implied claim that the GOP's policies are better because they benefit white people more, as is good and proper, making a minority of minorities support them?

What a deeply stupid article.

222 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:53:16am

re: #219 Obdicut

Actually medieval theologians used much better logic, and tended to be pretty pro-science.

They are very much concerned about how many pinheads can dance on an angel...

223 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:54:00am

re: #222 Sol Berdinowitz

They are very much concerned about how many pinheads can dance on an angel...

42.

224 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:55:42am
225 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 2:57:29am

re: #224 Varek Raith

Stay classy, Fox.
Image: Screen-shot-2012-11-15-at-12.57.28-PM-300x167.png

If you pin them to the wall on it, they wil simply maintain that it "illustrates the role that immigration policies affect the Hispanic vote" or something similar.

But they darn well know what they are doing.

226 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:03:33am

re: #221 Obdicut

Oops, he forgot to tack on an explanation for losing the women's vote.

I mean, obviously his whole 'theory' is bullshit because math doesn't work that way. He lacks a premise-- okay these groups have various percentages of the population. How on earth does that relate to the percentage of the vote? He never even makes a real claim. Is the implied claim that the GOP's policies are better because they benefit white people more, as is good and proper, making a minority of minorities support them?

What a deeply stupid article.

Even if the vote were split more equally the percentages would still be wildly out of sync with the gray "America" on his idiotic graph. 50% of 13% of the population would still be far away from the 13% dot for blacks on that graph. Those charts and their accompanying article are utterly meaningless sophistry of the worst sort.

How about a graph that showed the actual percentage of votes by minorities cast in the election as compared to their percentage of the overall population? He wouldn't want to show that though would he? Because it would show that minorities are still very much under-represented among voters.

227 freetoken  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:08:50am

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

He's actually arguing that it's somehow more "American" to be unpopular with minorities, on the simplistic basis that they are minorities. Apparently, if they were worth giving a shit about they'd make up a larger percentage of the population.

He's doing an old accounting trick.

Classic example: An item cost you $8 to make, but you sell it for $10. How much profit does one piece return?
(A) 25% ( = (10-8)/8 )
(B) 20% ( = (10-8)/10)

A few of the commenters over there called him on his mathematics slight of hand.

228 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:13:41am

re: #227 freetoken

Yeah, the best takedown is here:

Herbert is right. The comparison makes no sense. Taken to it's extreme, it means that since native Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders are 0.2% of the United States, the GOP should be thrilled to bits if a whopping 1% of them voted for Republicans.

229 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:22:14am

Somebody on that thread actually took the time to do the math correctly...

Morty,

No, even though both parties are off, the Republicans are off by more. If we take the ratios given and make a room full of 1000 people for each group, here's how it would look (Note that I had to adjust the "America" numbers a little since the percentages given only add up to 97%. I used the same ratios to make it add up to 100%.)

America:
White 649
Hispanic 165
Asian 52
Black 134

Republican Voters
White 855
Hispanic 98
Asian 29
Black 18

Democrat Voters
White 482
Hispanic 217
Asian 70
Black 231

So both Republican and Democrats are off on whites by a similar amount; Republicans have more, Democrats have fewer.

However, when you get to the minorities, the Democrats are off by a factor of less than 2 for any given minority group. The Republicans, on the other hand, are off in the other direction by a factor of 7.4 in the case of blacks. So this makes the Republicans more different from America than Democrats.

Yep, nice to see that not everyone accepts this bullshit on face value. :)

230 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:24:02am

re: #228 Obdicut

Yeah, the best takedown is here:

And then there are the really deep thought comments like:

Mary Sue · 2 days ago
What I don't get is why so many Asians are in the tank for Obama.

David Howard · 2 days ago
Lots of Asians are envious of whites. Always have been. They want to bring "whitey" down. Republicans are more white than Dems, who are the party of envy. Elementary, my dear. Envy explains much of politics.

231 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:36:16am

Morning Honcos.

232 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:41:43am

The ACLU files a lawsuit to force a Utah school district to keep a lesbian advocacy book on elementary school library shelves. Freepers explode in a paroxysm of rage...

ACLU sues to force elementary (school) libraries to display lesbian advocacy book

The ACLU has filed a lawsuit to force a Utah school district to keep a lesbian advocacy book on elementary school library shelves.

ACLU = The American Communist Lovers Union.

In the Davis School District in Utah, children as young as kindergarten age can check out a homosexual propaganda book called In My Mothers’ House, about three adopted kids and their lesbian “mothers,”

Can they check out Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Rielly, Sean Hannity or David Limbaugh's books?

In Our Mothers’ House was added to libraries in five of the district’s 50 elementary schools after administrators learned that a Windridge Elementary student was being raised by lesbians.

My Condolences to the kid!!

A seven-member parent-teacher committee decided that the book would remain in library collections, but should be kept behind the counter instead of on the shelves.

Behind the counter like all ADULT BOOKS should be.

The legal director for the ACLU’s Utah chapter told Reuters that Weber read the story together with her 6-year-old daughter.

Warning, Ms Weber is raising her daughter (or is it her gf daughter?) to become a LESBIAN

Tina Weber said in a statement that, while other parents have the right to limit what their children read, they should not have any influence over what library books are available to others.

hey, DUMBA$$, a 6 y/o doesn't need to know about your IMMORAL LIFESTYLE!!!

“I don’t believe it’s for anybody else to tell me how to raise my family,” Weber said. “I would just hope to see the book get back on the shelf so all children have access to it.”

Translation: 'I don't care if I live IMMORALLY and I want all public school kindergarteners to have access to this WONDERFUL IMMORAL LIFESTYLE without their parents -- who needs a male anyway -- permission!!'

Davis School District spokesperson Chris Williams told Reuters that the district stands behind its decision to require students to have parental permission to check out the book.

Chris Williams, you are an ENABLER to the IMMORAL HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY!! You should tell that IMMORAL PERSON that the book will be sent to the dump.

What is happening to UTAH??

233 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:43:34am

Drunk guy vs. escalator.

234 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:46:33am

this is scary: you tutbe LOL videos become news items...

235 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:56:26am

Hamas said it fired rocket toward Israel. Live Reuters feed.
[Link: live.reuters.com...]

236 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 4:01:51am

Public Health Proposal Considers Mandatory ‘Smokers License’
WASHINGTON (CBS DC) – A public health proposal suggests that tobacco smokers should be required to apply and pay for a “smoker’s license” in order to continue buying cigarettes.
[Link: washington.cbslocal.com...]

237 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 4:03:33am

re: #236 Honorary Consul General

Public Health Proposal Considers Mandatory ‘Smokers License’
WASHINGTON (CBS DC) – A public health proposal suggests that tobacco smokers should be required to apply and pay for a “smoker’s license” in order to continue buying cigarettes.
[Link: washington.cbslocal.com...]

Don't call it a "license", call it mandatory health insurance to cover the health risks.

238 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 4:04:04am

re: #237 Sol Berdinowitz

Don't call it a "license", call it mandatory health insurance to cover the health risks.

Fat people will need one for McDonalds.

239 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 4:14:26am

re: #238 Honorary Consul General

Fat people will need one for McDonalds.

Perhaps they can trade sugar and fat credits like we trade carbon emission credits...

240 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 4:24:58am

Those secession petitions by the southern states are totally about states rights and overreach by the Federal Government right? Nothing racist about them at all, they have nothing whatsoever to do with immigration concerns or control of minorities. At least that is what the RWNJs keep telling us, well kinda sorta...


Go to 5:05 for if Southern states will continue to honor minority rights, the answer is "who knows?"

Funny thing though, when they talk about it amongst themselves some quite different reasons for secession get discussed, and some very different attitudes towards minorities.

*Warning Strong Racism* *Warning Strong Racism*

The majority will leave, certainly but there will be stragglers.
Assuming sane citizenship policies, miscegenation laws, etc.; what’s to stand between a white man and colored labor save for an oppressive government? If coloreds want to work as menial/manual labor they should be deloused and inspected by the respective state to ensure they’re disease free. Coloreds are then registered and micro-chipped. They give birth on company grounds with colored midwives.

Colored children must be provided some form of vocational training by their employer. If they are injured or ill the employer is entirely responsible financially. In the event a colored commits a crime the employer is billed for the room and board along with the lethal injection if deemed necessary. When they die, they’re to be buried on company grounds. In the event of overcrowding, white cemetaries and churches retain the right of eminent domain over colored boneyards.

This may seem harsh but after BRA crumbles the choice between a miserable post-entitlement existence and a job in the South will be tempting to many coloreds.

These two examples are from the same thread by the way, remember that next time someone tries to make secession sound like a reasonable "option" that is solely in response to bloated government. That is not what this is really about for many of its supporters!

241 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 4:27:18am

re: #240 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Those secession petitions by the southern states are totally about states rights and overreach by the Federal Government right? Nothing racist about them at all, they have nothing whatsoever to do with immigration concerns or control of minorities. At least that is what the RWNJs keep telling us, well kinda sorta...

[...]

Go to 5:05 for if Southern states will continue to honor minority rights, the answer is "who knows?"Funny thing though, when they talk about it amongst themselves some quite different reasons for secession get discussed, and some very different attitudes towards minorities.

*Warning Strong Racism* *Warning Strong Racism*

These two examples are from the same thread by the way, remember that next time someone tries to make secession sound like a reasonable "option" that is solely in response to bloated government. That is not what this is really about for many of its supporters!

Somebody has Holocaust fantasies I see.

242 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 4:32:21am

It's not that these peawits have not thought secession through, they are not capable of rational thought beyond knee-jerk stimulus/response. This is all a massive temper tantrum.

Off to Frankfurt for the weekend...later, all!

243 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 4:44:41am

Who could have seen this coming?

US school science standards pronounced 'dismal'

The report mentions, as two examples, “A middle school teacher in New Hampshire, for example, will come face to face with the following: ‘Identify energy as a property of many substances.’ Pennsylvania offers the equally baffling ‘Explain the chemistry of metabolism.’ Such empty statements can do little to inform curriculum development or instruction, and give no guidance to assessment developers.”

[ ... ]

“Iowa schoolchildren are directed to: ‘Make appropriate personal/lifestyle/technology choices, evaluate, observe, discuss/debate, recognize interactions and interdependencies at all levels, explain, describe environmental effects of public policy, choose appropriate course(s) of action.‘ Such statements are devoid of any teachable content and leave teachers with no guidance as to how they can incorporate genuine scientific inquiry skills into their instruction.” Further, many states say nothing about the history of science, which is essential for teaching students how science works and how to be critical.

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

244 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 4:51:25am


Stock up NOW for the zombie apocalypse!

245 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 4:57:34am

Woman pulls gun on man who exposed himself at lake
“I put the magazine in my gun. I cocked it,” the woman said in an interview Thursday night. “I said, ‘You need to leave or Ill shoot you. I’m going to blow your brains out.’ ”
[Link: tdn.com...]

Should have already been ready.

246 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:00:29am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

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Stock up NOW for the zombie apocalypse!

Somebody will buy them out and run the business correctly, those are some valuable name brands, they are not going to be allowed to die off.

247 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:01:23am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

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Stock up NOW for the zombie apocalypse!

How did they fail at twinkies?!?!

248 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:03:22am

re: #246 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Somebody will buy them out and run the business correctly, those are some valuable name brands, they are not going to be allowed to die off.

My radio just said 18,000 people will be laid off. But I think you're right.

249 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:05:27am

re: #247 Varek Raith

How did they fail at twinkies?!?!

They preferred to go bankrupt rather than agree to striking workers' demands. So fuck them and fuck their chemical fake "food"

250 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:06:07am

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

They preferred to go bankrupt rather than agree to striking workers' demands. So fuck them and fuck their chemical fake "food"

FFS, Hostess.

251 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:08:39am

Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union
Add cheeseburger and beer to that union name and I'll join!
/

252 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:10:57am

Wal-Mart workers plan Black Friday walkout
[Link: www.clickorlando.com...]

253 Flounder  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:13:34am

Police are trying to determine whether allowing strippers at a 16-year-old's birthday party is illegal or just a case of bad parenting

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

Hmmm, I think it is a teachable moment.

254 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:16:03am

The speculation is that at least some of Hostess's properties will be bought up by the same conglomerate that topped the bidding the last time they went bankrupt, Bimbo Bakeries.

Which is huge, when you look at the brands they've got under their umbrella. So the Twinkie may yet live on.

255 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:17:40am

re: #254 The Questionable Timing of a Flea

It's also a reminder that we need to get back to some serious antitrust work in this country. We have far too much vertical and horizontal integration that is completely starving new businesses.

256 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:17:48am

re: #247 Varek Raith

How did they fail at twinkies?!?!

Unions! Entitlements! Benghazi!

257 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:27:12am

Ever since I learned that lyre birds can perfectly mimic most sounds, including car alarms, I wonder if the car alarms I hear every day are actually just a flock of lyre birds.

258 dragonath  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:28:41am

re: #254 The Questionable Timing of a Flea

The speculation is that at least some of Hostess's properties will be bought up by the same conglomerate that topped the bidding the last time they went bankrupt, Bimbo Bakeries.

I know those guys- they bought out the local bakery. Since they're new to the area they put up a bunch of advertising displays at the store. They read:

It's pronounced BEEM-BO

I don't know why that's funny, but it is.

259 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:29:29am

re: #256 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Spite. Pure and simple. Officially, they say people aren't eating as much of their delightfully unhealthy products so they were forced to shut down. Their message to the employees however was just a tad different.

Now this will be used as an example of how evil unions are, look what they did to poor, poor, sad, helpless Hostess. Crap. Oh, and nice timing you assholes who run that company. Merry Fucking Christmas to you too, ya bastids.

260 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:34:36am

Wal-Mart Faces a New Round of Historic Strikes... But Why Now?

Wal-Mart’s reputation as a Christian company has been one of the reasons the retail giant has been notoriously hard to organize. The company embedded itself in a particular brand of free-enterprise-friendly Southern evangelical Christianity that, as historian Bethany Moreton pointed out in her book To Serve God and Wal-Mart, helped win the loyalty of its massive corps of service workers.

But the combination of longtime workers feeling betrayed by the company, newer workers who never felt that loyalty to begin with, and the fact that for so many years the company paid lip service to Christian values in lieu of fair wages, is leaving Wal-Mart vulnerable to labor uprisings.

File under things I didn't know about Walmart.

The entire article is worth reading, and its links are worth chasing.

261 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:44:39am

re: #257 Obdicut

Ever since I learned that lyre birds can perfectly mimic most sounds, including car alarms, I wonder if the car alarms I hear every day are actually just a flock of lyre birds.

Ahem...2:17 for the car alarm.

262 Sionainn  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:49:08am

re: #261 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Ahem...2:17 for the car alarm.

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That was amazing!

263 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:49:25am

re: #261 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Have you seen this little guy?

264 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:52:10am

re: #263 Obdicut

Have you seen this little guy?

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First time I have seen that one, thanks. :)

265 darthstar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:53:05am

Mornin' everyone. Can't stay long. Need to lock up the house and head to the airport. Going to Sayulita for the weekend. Try not to be wrong while I'm gone.

266 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:53:07am

re: #264 watching you tiny alien kittens are

QI is a great show for all kinds of stuff. In the US, it's only available on Youtube, but it's all there.

267 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 5:57:12am

re: #260 The Questionable Timing of a Flea

If you've never seen WalMart: The High Cost of Low Prices, you should.

What will happen now is Bentonville company HQ will send in their corporate arm twisters to take over the stores in question from the manager. Employees will be threatened with termination after a few examples are made of the "troublemakers". Any union talk must be reported to the corporate headquarters and they take it from there. Lying, scare tactics and intimidation. Anything to get away with shitty working conditions, lousy wages and no benefits.

Did you know those cameras in the parking lots aren't really as much for security as they are to spy on employees? The company trains it's managers to be suspicious of employees talking to one another and then stopping when a manager is close by. That alone is enough to be suspicious union activity. I wish I were kidding. Go watch that documentary,it's worth the time.

268 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:01:10am

re: #267 A Mom Anon

If you've never seen WalMart: The High Cost of Low Prices, you should.

What will happen now is Bentonville company HQ will send in their corporate arm twisters to take over the stores in question from the manager. Employees will be threatened with termination after a few examples are made of the "troublemakers". Any union talk must be reported to the corporate headquarters and they take it from there. Lying, scare tactics and intimidation. Anything to get away with shitty working conditions, lousy wages and no benefits.

Did you know those cameras in the parking lots aren't really as much for security as they are to spy on employees? The company trains it's managers to be suspicious of employees talking to one another and then stopping when a manager is close by. That alone is enough to be suspicious union activity. I wish I were kidding. Go watch that documentary,it's worth the time.

You know.

Christian values...

269 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:07:30am

Ikea Regrets Use Of Forced Labor In East Germany
[Link: www.kristv.com...]

IKEA says it’s still investigating claims it used Cuban prison labor
[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

270 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:07:38am

re: #267 A Mom Anon

If you've never seen WalMart: The High Cost of Low Prices, you should.

Walmart is the largest food stamp recipient in the country

271 LadyBehir  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:12:37am

Hi all. Long time lurker (before the Great Flounce) but I seldom post because you all say stuff way more effectively. But I do have a favor. Husband has started a petition at the White House to bring back our tariffs. We need 150 signatures before it will show up on the petition page. Here's the url: [Link: wh.gov...] Could you please sign it (if you agree that we need some parity brought back, of course) so it can get some notice?

Thanks!

272 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:21:18am

re: #271 LadyBehir

Tariffs are a tricky subject, but I agree with the principle in general. I'd like the tariff structure to be related to worker's rights conditions in other countries.

273 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:25:52am
274 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:29:06am

re: #272 Obdicut

Tariffs are a tricky subject, but I agree with the principle in general. I'd like the tariff structure to be related to worker's rights conditions in other countries.

Tariffs are a tool. They can be used for good or bad reasons, with the general result that at least initially products that are imported (and now subjected to tariffs) are now more expensive. Said expense then passed almost immediately onto consumers.

From there you might then get a substitute domestically produced at an effective competing price. Or, you might see a domestic industry hiding behind the tariffs to protect their profitability due to being unwilling or unable to compete in an international market.

275 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:29:41am

re: #271 LadyBehir

Looking at China or undoing NAFTA? Both?

276 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:32:42am

re: #271 LadyBehir

They can be a useful tool, more short term than long to me. I'll sign it because I think they should be on the table, not so much that I think they'll be much more useful than as threat or, as Obdicut mentions, tied to overseas working conditions and wages.

Perhaps a tariff that is contingent on the prevailing wage in that country to raise the cost of the product to the same as it would cost at the prevailing wage in the US? Etc...

277 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:35:50am

re: #274 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

They're tricky. But at the end of the day, there's almost no point to us having labor laws if we just buy products from companies that don't have those labor laws. There's no point in telling a company it can't employ slave labor if it can do so abroad.

The US's biggest economic force is still access to our domestic market.

However, it is simply not true that costs get immediately passed on to the consumer. The price of any product is set by what the market will bear, and it isn't just production costs + X. It is the ideal price point where profitability and maximum sales intersect. Shifting the cost of production alters the profitability point but does not necessarily mean that the price of the product will change.

If widgets cost $1 to make, and if you sell them for $5 apiece the market will buy 100 of them, then you make $400 profit. If your production costs rise to $1.50 apiece and you decide to sell them for $5.50 apiece the market might only buy 90, and you only make $345.

278 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:36:27am

re: #270 Interesting Times

They cover that in the film. Some stores even have the info printed up on where to go to get food stamps, medicaid and any state programs that help the working poor. This info is given to new employees and kept around for anyone who might need help. It's a long documentary,the cover what WalMart does to local businesses, how their insurance is a joke and impossible to afford on the wages they pay, their union busting, their environmental violations(while claiming to be "green"), the effect on Chinese workers, etc.

279 LadyBehir  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:36:46am

Some of all of it. Realistically, we do not think tarriffs will go back to the "old days" but we (as a nation) need a discussion on the subject and some media attention. And the workers rights, environmental issues, etc do need to somehow be tied to who we do business with.

280 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:38:30am

re: #257 Obdicut

Ever since I learned that lyre birds can perfectly mimic most sounds, including car alarms, I wonder if the car alarms I hear every day are actually just a flock of lyre birds.

281 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:38:38am

re: #276 William Barnett-Lewis

They can be a useful tool, more short term than long to me. I'll sign it because I think they should be on the table, not so much that I think they'll be much more useful than as threat or, as Obdicut mentions, tied to overseas working conditions and wages.

Perhaps a tariff that is contingent on the prevailing wage in that country to raise the cost of the product to the same as it would cost at the prevailing wage in the US? Etc...

Tariffs are probably not the wave of the future, but might be a useful stopgap until we can unionize third-world economies like Myanmar and Alabama. Looking into WH.gov registration.

282 Mattand  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:52:33am

re: #215 Obdicut

The GOP has lost its ability to self-assess for bullshit. It's what comes from being the anti-science party. Once you throw science out, all you're left with is people's truthiness.

I believe that they expected to win. I think they thought the combination of attempts to suppress voter turnout, some kinda Bradely effect, and voters being disaffected in Obama because of the slow economic recovery would win out. That was their theory, and that the facts were contradicting it didn't matter, because in the GOP, theory matters a lot more than reality.

They have become what they red-facedy shout about: Ivory tower academics unable to engage with the real world, restlessly revising their theories without ever facing the facts.

In a blog full of smart, intelligent political assessment, this one of the best comments I've seen. This is a walking definition of how conservatives are cultivating their own private 9/11 delusion, AKA Behnghazi.

283 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:53:26am
284 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:56:10am

Speaking of food stamps I just found out Florida EBT is down, again.
Ran my out of work upstairs 59 year old neighbor down to Publix so she could grab some stuff (her car registration expired on the 1st) and they wouldn't take her card. When we got back I checked online for her to see if it was her account or a defective card or what, and found out that the entire state is down.

Yeah I can totally see why everyone is quitting their jobs to stay home and get "free stuff" from the government...

///

285 makeitstop  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 6:56:52am

re: #257 Obdicut

Ever since I learned that lyre birds can perfectly mimic most sounds, including car alarms, I wonder if the car alarms I hear every day are actually just a flock of lyre birds.

I bought myself a liarbird
He came with free drinks just to blur
The lies falling out like rain
On an average English summer's afternoon
I bought myself a new notebook
Sharpened my guitar and went to look
If this biz was just as bongo as the liarbird made out
All he would say
Is ``I can make you famous''
All he would say
All he would say
``Just like a household name'' is
All he would say
Methinks world is for you
Made of what you believe
If it's false or if it's true
You can read it in your bible
Or on the back of this record sleeve
I bought myself a liarbird
Things got more and more absurd
It changed to a cuckoo
And expanded filling up with all I gave
I bought myself a big mistake
He grew too greedy, bough will break
And then we will find that liarbirds
Are really flightless on their own
All he would say
Is ``I can make you famous''
All he would say
All he would say
``Just like a household name'' is
All he would say
Methinks world is for you
There's no handing it back
If it's false or it's true
You can read it in your prayer book
Or on the side of a cornflake pack
I gave away a liarbird
A couple less drinks and now I've heard
The truth shining out like sun
On an average English winter's afternoon

286 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:00:14am

Good morning lizards!

287 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:02:08am

re: #281 Decatur Deb

Tariffs are probably not the wave of the future, but might be a useful stopgap until we can unionize third-world economies like Myanmar and Alabama. Looking into WH.gov registration.

Heh. How true... thought I'm usually calling Mississippi that...

288 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:03:36am

Fuck walmart.

289 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:06:40am

re: #288 Varek Raith

Fuck walmart.

Shop KMart.

290 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:06:50am

re: #256 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Unions! Entitlements! Benghazi!

Some of my friends on FB are falling into that trap, blaming the unions for the shutdown and not the short-sighted company.

NO ONE shuts their business down after 80+ years over a single strike. I don't buy it.

291 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:07:09am

re: #283 Vicious Babushka

Wait, Jerusalem? They're firing from the West Bank too?

292 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:07:31am

re: #289 Honorary Consul General

Shop KMart.

Shop S-mart.

293 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:09:05am

re: #258 dragonath

I know those guys- they bought out the local bakery. Since they're new to the area they put up a bunch of advertising displays at the store. They read:

I don't know why that's funny, but it is.

I've been eating Bimbo products since I was a kid. They're huge in Mexico. If they acquire Hostess, that might force them to up the quality on their own pastries.

294 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:09:28am

re: #289 Honorary Consul General

Shop KMart.

All these big box stores suck.

I went shopping at a Meijer store yesterday. There is the usual old guy greeter at the front door. I have made it a point so say hello, call him by his name, and ask how he's doing, etc.

295 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:10:21am

re: #291 Obdicut

Wait, Jerusalem? They're firing from the West Bank too?

No, it's from Hamas.

296 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:12:49am

re: #283 Vicious Babushka

I heard an amazing story about my friend's son in Israel who just got out of the IDF. He is currently in Tel Aviv now. He just got out 2 weeks ago and is waiting for word on which reserve unit he will be assigned to. His mom told me about what had happened to him on his birthday last August near his kibbutz in Sufa.

297 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:15:24am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

No, it's from Hamas.

How are they hitting Jerusalem? Isn't that far outside the range of even their longest rockets?

298 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:17:35am

re: #271 LadyBehir

Reinstate the tariffs we enjoyed before the Reagan administration & force U.S. jobs back to the U.S.

Whereas the job losses incurred by the U.S. under the current W.T.O. treaties have left our country's economy damaged, and whereas transnational corporations find it profitable to export U.S. jobs in favor of virtual slave-wage workforces beyond our borders, We, the undersigned, petition the U.S. government to reinstate the tariff structure and tariff percentages prevalent before the establishment of the first Reagan administration, thus affording protection to our domestic industries and their attendant jobs, and thus removing the profitability inherent in the production and importation of products manufactured overseas.

The U.S. market is owned by U.S. citizens, we have the right to demand it be controlled for the benefit of U.S. workers.

Too wide in scope, I could support a narrower punitive focus based on violations of human rights and livable working conditions by overseas exporters but not this. This is not the 80s anymore and the fact is that far too many of America's needs are reliant on imports. Adding blanket tariffs to them would drastically increase the cost of doing business and living in this country and probably kick off a massive inflationary cycle.

That alone is enough reason for me to withhold my support even before I consider the ramifications of violating trade treaties and the ensuing damage from a trade war.

299 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:19:02am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

No, it's from Hamas.

Air raid sirens wail in Jerusalem

JERUSALEM -- Air raid sirens have just sounded in Jerusalem, signaling a possible rocket attack aimed at Israel's capital.

If verified, it would be the first time the holy city has ever been targeted by rockets fired by Gaza militants.

Israeli media say the rocket fell north of Jerusalem, but authorities have not confirmed the reports. In Gaza, Hamas militants said they had attacked Jerusalem.

Militants already have launched several rockets into Tel Aviv since an Israeli offensive was launched in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday.

300 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:20:16am
301 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:21:54am

I think President Obama's planned stop in Burma is pretty amazing:[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

302 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:22:18am

re: #300 Vicious Babushka

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Very weird. The thing is obviously very inaccurate, and I can't see Hamas wanting to level the Dome of the Rock.

303 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:22:24am
304 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:23:26am

re: #300 Vicious Babushka

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Alouette, I am so sorry. Prayers for the people of that region.

305 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:23:33am

Live updates.
[Link: live.reuters.com...]

306 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:24:05am

re: #302 Decatur Deb

Very weird. The thing is obviously very inaccurate, and I can't see Hamas wanting to level the Dome of the Rock.

There is also a 40% chance that a Hamas rocket fired at Jerusalem will claim Palestinian casualties.

307 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:27:55am

re: #306 Vicious Babushka

There is also a 40% chance that a Hamas rocket fired at Jerusalem will claim Palestinian casualties.

It is really alarming and weird. First of all, they don't supposedly have any rockets that can get that far. Then they might kill Palestinians. Then they might damage incredibly important Islamic religious structures.

Of course, the entire policy of "Fire rockets at Israel" is also weird, since it, you know, doesn't actually get them anything.

308 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:28:00am

Round and round we go!

309 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:30:10am

re: #307 Obdicut

It is really alarming and weird. First of all, they don't supposedly have any rockets that can get that far. Then they might kill Palestinians. Then they might damage incredibly important Islamic religious structures.

Of course, the entire policy of "Fire rockets at Israel" is also weird, since it, you know, doesn't actually get them anything.

10:16 AM
TwitterDan Williams @DanWilliams
Hamas said it fired a "locally made Qassam M-75" at Jerusalem - a rocket not heard of previously. Guess the number refers to its km range.

I don't know how to post tweets, but there you go.

310 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:32:50am
311 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:33:02am

re: #309 Honorary Consul General

You click on the details bit and then post that link.

312 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:33:04am

re: #309 Honorary Consul General

10:16 AM
TwitterDan Williams @DanWilliams
Hamas said it fired a "locally made Qassam M-75" at Jerusalem - a rocket not heard of previously. Guess the number refers to its km range.

I don't know how to post tweets, but there you go.

Can't find info on rocket, must be new. Though, I caution the use of the '75' for its' range.

313 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:34:05am

re: #307 Obdicut

It is really alarming and weird. First of all, they don't supposedly have any rockets that can get that far. Then they might kill Palestinians. Then they might damage incredibly important Islamic religious structures.

Of course, the entire policy of "Fire rockets at Israel" is also weird, since it, you know, doesn't actually get them anything.

Since we don't have a "moonbat" font:

What else do you expect suffering desperate people suffocating under crushing blockade to do!1!ty

314 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:34:31am

re: #312 Varek Raith

Can't find info on rocket, must be new. Though, I caution the use of the '75' for its' range.

YNET:

...On Friday afternoon, an air raid siren sounded in Tel Aviv, followed by an explosion caused by a missile landing in an open area.

Shortly after the air raid siren sounded in Jerusalem, Hamas' military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, claimed responsibility for the rocket fired at the capital area. according to the organization, it fired a homemade rocket called Qassam M76.

The rocket Hamas fired at Tel Aviv is nicknamed Qassam M75.

315 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:34:40am

re: #307 Obdicut

It is really alarming and weird. First of all, they don't supposedly have any rockets that can get that far. Then they might kill Palestinians. Then they might damage incredibly important Islamic religious structures.

Of course, the entire policy of "Fire rockets at Israel" is also weird, since it, you know, doesn't actually get them anything.

I don't even want to think about the conspiracy freakout that will occur if a rocket hits something like the Dome of the Rock or even another holy site.

316 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:35:31am

re: #310 Vicious Babushka

Well, that ups the ante. Fucking hell. At that range it'll be totally damn inaccurate too and they know that. What if they hit the Dome of the Rock? Or any number of other important Islamic historical locations?

317 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:35:35am

re: #311 Obdicut

What part is the details bit?

318 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:35:56am

re: #314 NJDhockeyfan

YNET:

Ah, homemade prototype.

319 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:36:30am

re: #317 Honorary Consul General

What part is the details bit?

Click on a tweet in the timeline, and at the bottom next to the date and time it'll say details. Click on that.

320 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:36:44am

re: #316 Obdicut

Well, that ups the ante. Fucking hell. At that range it'll be totally damn inaccurate too and they know that. What if they hit the Dome of the Rock? Or any number of other important Islamic historical locations?

It's Israel's fault!

321 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:36:46am

re: #316 Obdicut

Well, that ups the ante. Fucking hell. At that range it'll be totally damn inaccurate too and they know that. What if they hit the Dome of the Rock? Or any number of other important Islamic historical locations?

Simple. They claim Mossad or Israel actually set off an explosive there and tried to blame it on their rockets.
:P

322 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:36:54am
323 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:37:46am

re: #319 Obdicut

Got it. I was looking for the old copy/paste.

324 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:38:51am

re: #316 Obdicut

Well, that ups the ante. Fucking hell. At that range it'll be totally damn inaccurate too and they know that. What if they hit the Dome of the Rock? Or any number of other important Islamic historical locations?

Where did Hamas get them from? Perhaps Israel recently learned of them, hence the elimination of the Hamas leader.
Israel will take them out. It's going to be a bad weekend.

325 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:39:06am
326 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:39:38am

Qassam M76 about 70 - 80km.
Fajr 3 is about 40km.
Fajr 5 is about 65-70km.

Definite improvement on range.

327 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:39:45am

re: #324 prairiefire

Where did Hamas get them from? Perhaps Israel recently learned of them, hence the elimination of the Hamas leader.
Israel will take them out. It's going to be a bad weekend.

Iran?

328 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:40:50am

re: #327 Honorary Consul General

Iran?

A lot of the Kassams were home-made crap, Junkyard Wars stuff.

329 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:41:08am

re: #317 Honorary Consul General

What part is the details bit?

On the tweet you want to post click "expand" then click on "details" that now shows. The post will then be shown by itself on a new page, copy the URL for the new page from your browser address bar and paste it here.

BTW: This site will only show the original tweet, not the replies to it so don't worry about that.

330 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:41:20am

Rocket fell in an unpopulated area but the pro-Gaza contingent on Twiitter are claiming it fell on an "illegal settlement" and anti-Gaza contingent claiming it fell in an "Arab neighborhood."

331 danarchy  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:41:28am

re: #290 Lidane

Some of my friends on FB are falling into that trap, blaming the unions for the shutdown and not the short-sighted company.

NO ONE shuts their business down after 80+ years over a single strike. I don't buy it.

Not exactly a single strike. This is there second bankruptcy in in like 6 years. Every other union they deal with(the teamsters being the largest) agreed to the new contracts. The contract the bakers were striking over was actually imposed by a bankruptcy judge. I don't know any business owner who would shut down a profitable company out of spite.

332 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:41:30am

re: #328 Decatur Deb

A lot of the Kassams were home-made crap, Junkyard Wars stuff.

They don't sound too rinky dink. We will find out.

333 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:41:30am

re: #327 Honorary Consul General

Iran?

...and possibly Lebanon?

334 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:43:29am

re: #327 Honorary Consul General

Iran?

Possible. This is a huge step up in range from the Qassam IV.

335 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:43:29am

re: #331 danarchy

Not exactly a single strike. This is there second bankruptcy in in like 6 years. Every other union they deal with(the teamsters being the largest) agreed to the new contracts. The contract the bakers were striking over was actually imposed by a bankruptcy judge. I don't know any business owner who would shut down a profitable company out of spite.

Second bankruptcy in six years for a company with annual sales in the billions?

Sounds like incompetent management to me. It's far too convenient to blame the unions and the strikes, IMO.

336 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:44:10am
337 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:44:12am

re: #316 Obdicut

Well, that ups the ante. Fucking hell. At that range it'll be totally damn inaccurate too and they know that. What if they hit the Dome of the Rock? Or any number of other important Islamic historical locations?

They get to blame Israel no matter what. Wasn't there a poll over there that showed a very high 9/11 truther count? As in Israel/Zionists/Jews/US/Bush did it? Ah yes there was.

Palestinian territories

A World Public Opinion poll conducted between July and September 2008 found that 42% of respondents in the Palestinian territories believe Al Qaeda were responsible. 27% said the U.S. government were responsible, 19% said Israel and 9% named another country. 3% said they did not know.[30]

338 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:44:21am

re: #332 prairiefire

They don't sound too rinky dink. We will find out.

A rail-launched barrage rocket with a warhead and no guidance system isn't that tricky.

339 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:45:10am

re: #336 Honorary Consul General

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Fake.

340 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:45:11am

It's worth pointing out that Israel is dotted with military installations that appear to get little or no notice from HAMS missile fire.

341 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:45:56am

re: #340 Daniel Ballard

It's worth pointing pout that Israel is dotted with military installations that appear to get little or no notice from HAMS missile fire.

Because of shitty accuracy. That's why they hit cities. Among other reasons.

342 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:46:08am

re: #337 Daniel Ballard

Well, that poll shows that most Palestinians wouldn't believe Hamas if they claimed that, doesn't it?

343 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:46:20am

re: #339 Vicious Babushka

Fake.

K. Just learning the tweet thing and pulling from Reuters.

344 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:47:02am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

A rail-launched barrage rocket with a warhead and no guidance system isn't that tricky.

Yeah. This is WWII-vintage stuff. Hell, that's when the Katyusha is from.

345 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:47:26am

re: #343 Honorary Consul General

K. Just learning the tweet thing and pulling from Reuters.

You didn't post a Tweet from Reuters, just a Tweet from some random asshole (which is about 99% of all posts Twitter)

346 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:48:45am

Isn't Sturgeon's Law of Tweets something like
"90% is a low estimate"?

347 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:48:47am

re: #336 Honorary Consul General

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Partisan rumors most likely, just like the other tweet in his timeline telling him a missile hit at the location where he is and him saying he sees no evidence of it.

348 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:50:21am
349 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:51:28am

I'll get to know the players on Twitter before I bother with a source I don't know.

350 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:53:22am

WSJ: Livestrong Erases Armstrong From Name

The charity founded by former professional cyclist Lance Armstrong has removed his name from the organization's title, a spokeswoman said Thursday.

Livestrong, the cancer-fighting charity co-founded by Lance Armstrong, seen in an October file photo.

What had been called The Lance Armstrong Foundation for 15 years will now be called the Livestrong Foundation in the wake of a report that accuses Armstrong of using performance-enhancing drugs to win his seven Tour de France titles.

Earlier this year, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency stripped Armstrong of those titles and any other honors he received between his comeback from life-threatening cancer in 1998 and his retirement from top-level competitive cycling in 2010.

All of Armstrong's major sponsors have since ended their relationship with him. Armstrong resigned as chairman of the Lance Armstrong Foundation, and earlier this week announced he was ending his relationship with the organization completely.

A spokesman for Armstrong declined to comment.

351 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:53:57am

re: #294 Vicious Babushka

My son does this,I love him for it. He says hi, asks them how their day is going and when we leave the store he says the person's name and tells them to have a good day. He also does this with waitstaff in restaurants. I never taught him to do it, he just does. Such a sweet soul that boy has. I do it, but not as consciously as the kiddo does. I think it does matter to the worker bees out there, I know it made my day when I worked retail.

352 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:54:31am

Fischer has gone even further 'round the bend than usual:

353 danarchy  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:55:15am

re: #335 Lidane

Second bankruptcy in six years for a company with annual sales in the billions?

Sounds like incompetent management to me. It's far too convenient to blame the unions and the strikes, IMO.

Most likely. I would give the lions share of the responsibility for the economic woes on the management. But the strike was probably the straw that broke the camels back.

Hostess has a ton of iconic names in it's portfolio so I have no doubt someone will buy the rights and recipes and probably sadly move the production to a right to work state.

354 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:55:24am

Latest Haaretz Live Blog:

5:35 P.M. Rocket lands in open area in Gush Etzion, directly south of Jerusalem (Haaretz)

5:01 P.M. Hamas claims it fired at the Knesset. Residents report sounds of explosion in the Jerusalem area (Haaretz)

4:50 P.M. Alarm sounds in Jerusalem area (Haaretz)

4:40 P.M. Iron Dome intercepts rocket volley toward Be'er Tuvia and Kiryat Malakhi (Haaretz)

4:25 P.M. Egypt's Morsi: "The new Egypt is completely different, and determined to stop the attack on Gaza" (Avi Issacharoff)

4:04 P.M. IDF Spokesman: Air force conducted more than 600 strikes in Gaza (Haaretz)

3:50 P.M. Gag order lifted: Three wounded by explosion in Eshkol Regional Council are IDF soldiers; two moderately wounded, one lightly wounded; all were hospitalized at Soroka Medical Center, Be’er Sheva. (Haaretz)

3:30 P.M. Since Operation Pillar of Defense began Wednesday, 550 rockets were fired toward Israel, of which 26 exploded in built up areas. By noon on Friday, Iron Dome missile defense system intercepted 109 rockets. The Israel Defense Forces has thus far struck more than 500 targets in the Strip (Haaretz)

355 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:56:15am

re: #352 Lidane

I don't think they play God Bless America at every MLB 7th inning stretch.

356 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 7:56:44am

re: #351 A Mom Anon

My son does this,I love him for it. He says hi, asks them how their day is going and when we leave the store he says the person's name and tells them to have a good day. He also does this with waitstaff in restaurants. I never taught him to do it, he just does. Such a sweet soul that boy has. I do it, but not as consciously as the kiddo does. I think it does matter to the worker bees out there, I know it made my day when I worked retail.

I am by nature a surly person but I think these store greeters are treated like shit by everyone and you should acknowledge them and be nice to them. Also, it must be very painful for this elderly man to stand on his feet for hours on end. He probably has no health insurance from the store.

357 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:00:15am

102-Year-Old Woman Still Drives Her 82-Year-Old Car
[Link: autos.aol.com...]

Awesome all the way around.

358 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:00:23am

re: #356 Vicious Babushka

I am by nature a surly person but I think these store greeters are treated like shit by everyone and you should acknowledge them and be nice to them. Also, it must be very painful for this elderly man to stand on his feet for hours on end. He probably has no health insurance from the store.

I can totally see you as a walmart greeter.
*Don't hit me with that cane!*

359 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:00:59am

re: #358 Varek Raith

I can totally see you as a walmart greeter.
*Don't hit me with that cane!*

*WHACK!*

360 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:01:30am
361 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:01:37am

re: #358 Varek Raith

I can totally see you as a walmart greeter.
*Don't hit me with that cane!*

Heh. More like...

362 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:04:07am

re: #352 Lidane

Fischer has gone even further 'round the bend than usual:

Is it possible to turn this quote and get Geller and Fischer to descend into a spiral of mutual self-destruction?
:p
//

363 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:04:36am

re: #361 Honorary Consul General

Heh. More like...

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Had that in mind when I posted.
XD
*Ducks*

364 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:04:55am

re: #362 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Is it possible to turn this quote and get Geller and Fischer to descend into a spiral of mutual self-destruction?
:p
//

Only if we can somehow get those Westboro Baptist freaks in on it too.

365 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:06:19am

re: #362 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Is it possible to turn this quote and get Geller and Fischer to descend into a spiral of mutual self-destruction?
:p
//

re: #364 Lidane

Only if we can somehow get those Westboro Baptist freaks in on it too.

Nice trifecta.

366 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:12:42am

re: #352 Lidane

Fischer has gone even further 'round the bend than usual:

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AFA needs to pull his public pulpit and let him fend for himself. It was bad enough before but in these last few months Fischer has gone off the rails. His public statements and broadcasts have gone beyond what the AFA can publicly support, hence the disclaimer they tack onto every one of his tirades. He is now vulnerable to a public shaming campaign based on his own words and the AFA would have to drop him.

The question is whether or not people so used to being outraged by Fischer's bigotry realize that it is now possible to bring him down finally.

367 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:13:03am

From the DKos 'recommended' list...

Let's Stop Bibi Netanyahu's Sickening "Wag the Dog" Ploy

368 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:13:05am

Since when is a country not allowed to declare its own capital? AP FAIL.

369 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:15:01am

Oil rig fire?
[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]

370 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:15:37am

Linda Harvey Doubts Christian Faith of African Americans who Supported Obama

Mission America head Linda Harvey is stunned that President Obama received an overwhelming percentage of the African American vote, and is now arguing that African American Christians cannot support Obama while believing in “the Lord’s vision of life and truth.” She says that black voters chose not to “choose candidates based on the content of his or her character” or “open their eyes” about Obama and instead were “swayed by race,” even though he has “insulted our Lord, our values and our faith.”

371 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:16:00am

Germany blames Hamas for Middle East escalation

(Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel is "very worried" about an escalation of violence in the Middle East and calls on Hamas to immediately stop shooting rockets from Gaza into Israel, a government spokesman said on Friday.

"Hamas in Gaza is responsible for the outbreak of violence," spokesman Georg Streiter told a news conference. "There is no justification for the shooting of rockets at Israel, which has led to massive suffering of the civilian population.

"The Chancellor urges those responsible in the Gaza Strip to immediately stop firing on Israel. At the same time she calls on the Egyptian government to use its influence on Hamas to limit the violence and bring it to an end."

Streiter said the Israeli government had the "right and obligation" to protect its population.

372 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:16:43am

HOUSTON -- An fire on a oil rig owned by a Houston-based energy company has left two workers dead and two more missing earling Friday morning off the coast of Louisiana, the U.S. Coast Guard in New Orleans confirmed.
[Link: www.khou.com...]

373 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:17:06am

re: #370 Kragar

Linda Harvey Doubts Christian Faith of African Americans who Supported Obama

Still in "denial" mode I see and scraping the barrel for any possible "other" to blame their policy failures on.

374 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:17:42am

re: #372 Honorary Consul General

That quote was pulled. The bad grammar ain't mine.:)

375 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:17:58am

re: #353 danarchy

Most likely. I would give the lions share of the responsibility for the economic woes on the management. But the strike was probably the straw that broke the camels back.

Hostess has a ton of iconic names in it's portfolio so I have no doubt someone will buy the rights and recipes and probably sadly move the production to a right to work state.

Hard to do with baked goods, that is why the bakeries are already scattered across the entire country. The plants that are fully unionized are already a minority, without looking it up I think that 8-9 bakeries out of 34-36 actually went on strike while some of the other ones merely had picket lines of the baker's union members drawn from other businesses to represent the union?

376 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:20:00am

re: #352 Lidane

Fischer has gone even further 'round the bend than usual:

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Fischer explained, because ever since major league baseball games have sung "God Bless America" during the seventh-inning stretch and "one of the reasons we haven't been hit since 9/11 is that we did learn that lesson, we needs as a people to go before God and ask for his protection":

Invading 2 countries, hunting down terrorists globally, and generally blowing up anyone who glanced at us sideways were definitely not a factor apparently.

377 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:21:42am

re: #376 Kragar

Invading 2 countries, hunting down terrorists globally, and generally blowing up anyone who glanced at us sideways were definitely not a factor apparently.

Well, shit.
We could've all just went to baseball games to achieve world peace.

378 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:22:12am

Off to the doctor, see you all later

379 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:22:33am

re: #367 NJDhockeyfan

From the DKos 'recommended' list...

Let's Stop Bibi Netanyahu's Sickening "Wag the Dog" Ploy

I see they're still pushing the conspiracy theory that the assassinated Hamas military leader was going to enact some sort of super secret peace plan. Idiots.

380 Stanghazi  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:22:51am

re: #372 Honorary Consul General

HOUSTON -- An fire on a oil rig owned by a Houston-based energy company has left two workers dead and two more missing earling Friday morning off the coast of Louisiana, the U.S. Coast Guard in New Orleans confirmed.
[Link: www.khou.com...]

After reading the news this am this just puts the icing on the cake of a really bad day. :(

381 allegro  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:22:59am

re: #377 Varek Raith

Well, shit.
We could've all just went to baseball games to achieve world peace.

If I had to sit through baseball games weekly, I would become a terror(ist) out of screaming boredom.

382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:23:36am

re: #376 Kragar

Invading 2 countries, hunting down terrorists globally, and generally blowing up anyone who glanced at us sideways were definitely not a factor apparently.

But singing "God Bless America" at baseball games have also kept the North Koreans, displaced Bengal tigers, displaced polar bears, left-handed Lithuanian mimes, red-headed stepchildren of unemployed Irish tenors, and caribou from invading. Oh wait, the last were repelled by Sarah Palin's hunting prowess.
//

383 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:23:53am

re: #381 allegro

If I had to sit through baseball games weekly, I would become a terror(ist) out of screaming boredom.

Yeah, I see your point.

384 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:24:20am

re: #369 Honorary Consul General

Oil rig fire?
[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]

Curse you!

An entire page of video ads and pop-ups to get this?

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Coast Guard in New Orleans says investigating fire on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico .

That site is unacceptable for linkage even if they do have a story much less that little partial sentence blurb!

385 blueraven  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:25:16am

Oh fuck...an oil rig has exploded and is burning in the Gulf of Mexico.

[Link: wwno.org...]

386 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:26:55am

re: #384 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I though you might like the Seahawks football gear link since you live in Pinellas.
/

387 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:27:10am

re: #342 Obdicut

Well, that poll shows that most Palestinians wouldn't believe Hamas if they claimed that, doesn't it?

I never heard what Hamas has to say in it's propaganda about 9/11.
But be that as it may, Hamas can easily claim Israel did it if the Dome or a home full of Palestinians gets hit gets. That population buys into their propaganda whole hog when it comes to Israel.

388 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:28:46am

re: #387 Daniel Ballard

I never heard what Hamas has to say in it's propaganda about 9/11.
But be that as it may, Hamas can easily claim Israel did it if the Dome or a home full of Palestinians gets hit gets. That population buys into their propaganda whole hog when it comes to Israel.

Seems to be a human failing not solely restricted to parts of the Palestinian population.

389 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:29:29am

~25% of Americans question 9/11.
So...
Yeah.

390 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:31:44am

re: #389 Varek Raith

~25% of Americans question 9/11.
So...
Yeah.

Those people live on a different planet. A "prison planet" if you will.
/

391 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:34:03am

re: #387 Daniel Ballard

I never heard what Hamas has to say in it's propaganda about 9/11.
But be that as it may, Hamas can easily claim Israel did it if the Dome or a home full of Palestinians gets hit gets. That population buys into their propaganda whole hog when it comes to Israel.

If you think about it this whole operation is designed by Hamas to kill Palestinians. The rockets serve no military purpose, targeting is very inaccurate and explosive power is too low. The rockets can barely kill civilians, far less than one percent of the rockets actually kill or even injure an Israeli. All these 100's of rocket launches achieve little else except eliciting a military response from Israel. It no problem for Hamas to target Palestinians directly and wouldn't hurt their popular support at all.

392 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:34:24am

re: #389 Varek Raith

~25% of Americans question 9/11.
So...
Yeah.

We need hearings on how the implosion of building seven is linked to the sex scandals designed to weaken our faith in intelligence agencies and military leadership and ultimately to how they both relate to...BENGHAZI!!!

393 blueraven  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:34:42am
OFF THE GULF COAST - KHOU-TV says that two people are dead and two people are missing after an explosion at a platform in the Gulf of Mexico.

In addition, four people have been airlifted to West Jefferson Hospital, two of them who are said to be in critical condition.

The platform is believed to belong to Black Elk Energry out of Houston. It produces both oil and natural gas.

“We cannot confirm or deny anything at this time, but we are assembling an incident command team right now,”

[Link: www.wwltv.com...]

394 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:35:41am

The Twitter #Jerusalem feed got swarmed by spammers, so it looks like the danger is past.

395 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:35:45am

re: #390 Honorary Consul General

Those people live on a different planet. A "prison planet" if you will.
/

An Above Top Secret prison Planet of Occidental Dissent if you will.

396 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:36:39am

Hamas armed wing fires long-range rocket at Israeli parliament

(Xinhua) -- The armed wing of Hamas, Ezz el-Deen al-Qassam Brigades, said Friday that it has fired a long-range rocket at Israel's Knesset (parliament).

There has been no immediate comment from Israel.

397 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:37:00am

re: #395 watching you tiny alien kittens are

An Above Top Secret prison Planet of Occidental Dissent if you will.

They are everywhere. From Coast to Coast.

398 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:38:09am

re: #388 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Of course not. Not the point I was making at all. All I'm saying is what i said in #387

If the Dome gets hit Hamas plays it to advantage via blaming anyone but themselves. I don't then expect to see Palsetinains rioting to blame Hamas instead.

Of course most Americans believe AQ did 9/11. Most Palestinians apparently do not. Our 25% that "question" it covers a spectrum of conspiracy theories. IIRC Israel did it is a tiny number.

Propaganda is not an exclusive factor there but it's undeniably important.

399 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:38:10am

re: #397 Honorary Consul General

They are everywhere. From Coast to Coast.

Such icke people.

400 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:38:36am

re: #393 blueraven

[Link: www.wwltv.com...]

Here we go again...at least it is in "shallow" water this time.

401 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:40:31am

re: #353 danarchy

Most likely. I would give the lions share of the responsibility for the economic woes on the management. But the strike was probably the straw that broke the camels back.

Or it was the most convenient scapegoat.

Hostess has gone through six CEO's in the past ten years and this was their second bankruptcy in six years. Blaming the unions and their strike is easy. Blaming the idiots who ran the company into the ground is much harder.

Hostess has a ton of iconic names in it's portfolio so I have no doubt someone will buy the rights and recipes and probably sadly move the production to a right to work state.

The brands will survive just fine. I just hate that unions are being blamed for what was clearly failure at the management level.

402 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:41:29am
403 simoom  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:43:54am
404 dragonfire1981  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:46:17am

re: #385 blueraven

Oh fuck...an oil rig has exploded and is burning in the Gulf of Mexico.

[Link: wwno.org...]

Oh lord, not again. PLEASE not again.

405 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:46:19am

Anonymous hacker group attacks Israeli websites

Hacking group Anonymous has launched a series of cyber attacks against websites in Israel.

Data bombardments briefly knocked some sites offline and led to others being defaced with pro-Palestinian messages.

The OpIsrael campaign was launched by the hacking collective in retaliation for attacks on Gaza.

406 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:49:37am

Looks like the Egyptians aren't going to be very helpful
Egypt president vows to stand by Gaza

Mohammed Morsi says Egypt "will not leave Gaza on its own" and warned the "aggressor to stop the bloodshed or face the wrath" of Egypt's new leadership and institutions.

Morsi spoke on Friday at a mosque near his house on the outskirts of Cairo. The sermon was his harshest condemnation yet of the Israeli offensive.

Morsi said he dispatched his prime minister to Gaza to send a clear message that Egypt supports the people there and will not tolerate the killing of civilians.

407 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:50:52am

re: #302 Decatur Deb

Very weird. The thing is obviously very inaccurate, and I can't see Hamas wanting to level the Dome of the Rock.

Wouldn't level it, it's a big structure. Could cause damage. But I suspect that they could use that capably for propaganda, and the Israeli government would end up paying repairs.

It does seem to indicate a real willingness to escalate this thing, not that there haven't been many, many signs of that already.

408 allegro  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:51:58am

re: #401 Lidane

Or it was the most convenient scapegoat.

Hostess has gone through six CEO's in the past ten years and this was their second bankruptcy in six years. Blaming the unions and their strike is easy. Blaming the idiots who ran the company into the ground is much harder.

The brands will survive just fine. I just hate that unions are being blamed for what was clearly failure at the management level.

It would be interesting to see those CEO compensation packages. Did each of them get multi-million dollar parachutes?

409 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:52:28am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Looks like the Egyptians aren't going to be very helpful
Egypt president vows to stand by Gaza

Mohammed Morsi says Egypt "will not leave Gaza on its own" and warned the "aggressor to stop the bloodshed or face the wrath" of Egypt's new leadership and institutions.

Face the wrath? WTF is he smoking?

410 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:52:37am

re: #408 allegro

It would be interesting to see those CEO compensation packages. Did each of them get multi-million dollar parachutes?

No parachutes available. They just placed giant twinkies beneath them to cushion the jump.
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411 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:52:41am

Hmmm...I wonder if it is possible to start getting people to calling Fox Entertainment Media "FEM" instead of Fox News. I'd love to see it happen just to makes misogynist wingnuts admit that they watch "FEM" and defend their ludicrous talking points by citing "FEM."

Hey a man can dream can't he? ;)

412 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:53:06am

re: #387 Daniel Ballard

I never heard what Hamas has to say in it's propaganda about 9/11.
But be that as it may, Hamas can easily claim Israel did it if the Dome or a home full of Palestinians gets hit gets. That population buys into their propaganda whole hog when it comes to Israel.

I don't think that the population does buy in 'whole hog'. I don't know why you think they do. If they launched a rocket that hit the Dome of the Rock, some people would blame it on the Israelis but a lot of other Muslim nations would also be outraged at the Palestinians.

They may have actually crossed a line here. I hope so.

413 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:53:49am

re: #411 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Hmmm...I wonder if it is possible to start getting people to calling Fox Entertainment Media "FEM" instead of Fox News. I'd love to see it happen just to makes misogynist wingnuts admit that they watch "FEM" and defend their ludicrous talking points by citing "FEM."

Hey a man can dream can't he? ;)

Do their ardent backers then get nicknamed "FEMinistas"? That might confuse Rush!

414 BongCrodny  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:53:56am

re: #372 Honorary Consul General

HOUSTON -- An fire on a oil rig owned by a Houston-based energy company has left two workers dead and two more missing earling Friday morning off the coast of Louisiana, the U.S. Coast Guard in New Orleans confirmed.
[Link: www.khou.com...]

It's Obama's fault.

Am I first? Do I win anything?

415 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:54:55am

re: #412 Obdicut

Do you have any example of effective or lasting outrage at the PLO or Hamas from the Arab nations? I can't think of any off hand.

416 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:55:05am

re: #414 BongCrodny

It's Obama's fault.

Am I first? Do I win anything?

Need more details. Like surmising that the rig hit an undetected pocket of Benghazi.
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417 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:57:03am

re: #407 SanFranciscoZionist

Wouldn't level it, it's a big structure. Could cause damage. But I suspect that they could use that capably for propaganda, and the Israeli government would end up paying repairs.

It does seem to indicate a real willingness to escalate this thing, not that there haven't been many, many signs of that already.

Yup. But the mosaic work would go away bigtime. Much is constantly deteriorating. One of the Arab rulers paid for extensive restoration, IIRC.

419 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 8:59:20am

re: #415 Daniel Ballard

Do you have any example of effective or lasting outrage at the PLO or Hamas from the Arab nations? I can't think of any off hand.

I don't recall them ever potentially blowing a chunk off the Dome of the Rock before. But as for outrage against them, I mean, Jordan is perpetually outraged against them.

420 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:00:03am

re: #368 Vicious Babushka

Since when is a country not allowed to declare its own capital? AP FAIL.

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They corrected themselves for posting this first...

421 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:02:06am

re: #409 NJDhockeyfan

Face the wrath? WTF is he smoking?

Hopefully he's just spewing populist bullshit but it seems unlikely that he's going to accept Obama's plea to help keep the peace.

422 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:03:05am

re: #418 Vicious Babushka

EPIC FAIL: Oklahoma "Ten Commandments" Monument full of misspelled words.

That just proves its wingnut authenticity...

423 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:03:24am

re: #419 Obdicut

I don't recall them ever potentially blowing a chunk off the Dome of the Rock before. But as for outrage against them, I mean, Jordan is perpetually outraged against them.

I'm having trouble taking a threatened building more seriously than living human beings. I find that to be outrage worthy all by itself.

424 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:05:03am

re: #423 Daniel Ballard

I'm having trouble taking a threatened building more seriously than living human beings. I find that to be outrage worthy all by itself.

If the building (or other shrines), go we'll get a pretty outrageous bodycount on both sides, perhaps outside the region.

425 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:07:06am

re: #423 Daniel Ballard

I'm having trouble taking a threatened building more seriously than living human beings. I find that to be outrage worthy all by itself.

Well, that's humans for you. People will get more outraged if you blow up St. Peters than if you murder a guy in an alley.

426 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:08:14am

Senate passes resolution condoning Israel's strikes on Hamas

The Senate passed a resolution by unanimous consent Thursday night supporting Israel’s strikes on Gaza earlier this week.

S.Res.599 expresses “vigorous support and unwavering commitment to the welfare, security, and survival of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state with secure borders, and recognizing and strongly supporting its right to act in self-defense to protect its citizens against acts of terrorism.”

427 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:08:36am

re: #424 Decatur Deb

I would hope the raid sirens would get people to shelter, but dunno.

428 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:09:47am

re: #427 Daniel Ballard

I would hope the raid sirens would get people to shelter, but dunno.

I'm talking about the reaction and the counterreaction. Months or years.

429 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:10:45am

re: #427 Daniel Ballard

I would hope the raid sirens would get people to shelter, but dunno.

When the siren goes off, there is 15 seconds to get to a shelter.

How far can you get in 15 seconds?

430 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:10:46am

re: #423 Daniel Ballard

I'm having trouble taking a threatened building more seriously than living human beings. I find that to be outrage worthy all by itself.

Ehh...people die almost every day over there, they have been doing so for more than sixty years now. The Dome of the Rock being hit by a missile would be something completely new and newsworthy, unlike all the humdrum day to day death tallies. You simply have to look at these things in their proper perspective to understand the interest shown to them...

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431 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:12:13am

Good to know.

432 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:13:25am

Terrorist group tweets about it's new rocket...

433 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:15:32am

re: #431 Vicious Babushka

Good to know.

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"Passengers are advised that short-field combat landings can be quite enjoyable. Please secure your luggage on the LAPES pallets provided."

434 bratwurst  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:15:37am

Ever wonder what a fucking asshole has to say about the situation unfolding in Israel?

(you might think a celebrated intellectual would be aware that Israel hasn't occupied Gaza in 8 years...or that the US DID occupy Cuba for decades)

435 recusancy  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:15:46am
436 dragonfire1981  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:16:30am

re: #426 NJDhockeyfan

Senate passes resolution condoning Israel's strikes on Hamas

But Liberals hate Israel!!

437 dragonfire1981  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:17:08am

re: #435 recusancy

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Sure and I bet he was working on selling us a bridge too.

438 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:17:12am

re: #436 dragonfire1981

They're trying to deflect interest away from Benghazi of course!
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439 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:18:03am

re: #436 dragonfire1981

???

440 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:18:07am

re: #435 recusancy

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*EYEROLL*

441 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:19:32am
442 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:20:49am

re: #440 Vicious Babushka

*EYEROLL*

I thought Hamas' key governing documents already included plans for a permanent cease fire --- by eliminating Israel entirely.
// (MASSIVE)

Which is why that claim makes no sense. Hamas has shown zero signs now and in the past from ever breaking away from that declaration.

443 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:20:55am

re: #433 Decatur Deb

"Passengers are advised that short-field combat landings can be quite enjoyable. Please secure your luggage on the LAPES pallets provided."

Heavy drops do not always go to plan...

444 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:21:23am

re: #408 allegro

It would be interesting to see those CEO compensation packages. Did each of them get multi-million dollar parachutes?

Right, those damn union workers making $60,000.00 a year put us under, not those management types making $300,000.00 to $2,500,000.00 a year.

445 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:21:37am

re: #435 recusancy

Assassinated Hamas military commander was working on a “permanent cease-fire” proposal

It's the same self-promoting bullshit by Gershon Baskin, who made up his own "peace plan" and has been shopping it around to his BFF's in Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

He is a private citizen and has no authority to conduct any negotiations on behalf of anybody, even assuming that Hamas and Islamic Jihad would do anything other than laugh in his face (or shoot him in the face).

It's like Roseanne Barr claiming to negotiate with Iran.

446 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:21:55am

re: #392 watching you tiny alien kittens are

We need hearings on how the implosion of building seven is linked to the sex scandals designed to weaken our faith in intelligence agencies and military leadership and ultimately to how they both relate to...BENGHAZI!!!

Ow! My head.

447 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:22:10am

re: #443 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Heavy drops do not always go to plan...

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Samsonite used to do commercials with gorillas and such beating up on their luggage. Doing a LAPES drop with it would probably make a good commercial as well.

448 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:23:13am

re: #441 NJDhockeyfan

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20% enrichment does not a bomb make. That needs to be way higher.

449 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:23:28am

There are tweets going around saying an F16 crashed in Gaza and the pilot was captured. I can't find any news about it. Anyone else?

450 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:24:04am

re: #449 NJDhockeyfan

There are tweets going around saying an F16 crashed in Gaza and the pilot was captured. I can't find any news about it. Anyone else?

There is no news about it because it didn't happen, it's just the usual Twitter bullshit.

451 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:25:00am

re: #448 Varek Raith

20% enrichment does not a bomb make. That needs to be way higher.

And the opposite pole was touched this morning since the UN Nuclear agency is being cited as truthful and accurate today.
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452 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:26:48am

re: #450 Vicious Babushka

There is no news about it because it didn't happen, it's just the usual Twitter bullshit.

Thank you. Reading about Hamas having SAMs I was hoping they didn't actually use one.

453 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:28:12am
454 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:31:21am

Papa Bear O'Reilly fails at self-awareness:

Image: enhanced-buzz-20036-1353041098-1.jpg

455 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:31:32am

re: #409 NJDhockeyfan

Face the wrath? WTF is he smoking?

Hard to tell. I cannot imagine that Egypt is actually going to get involved in this with direct military action. I fucking hope.

456 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:32:39am

God channels his inner Popeye, apparently:

457 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:32:58am

re: #419 Obdicut

I don't recall them ever potentially blowing a chunk off the Dome of the Rock before. But as for outrage against them, I mean, Jordan is perpetually outraged against them.

Jordan doesn't make much of a public show of that, though. Mostly, they just want distance. Enough distance to cede their WB claim to the PLO.

458 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:35:15am

re: #450 Vicious Babushka

There is no news about it because it didn't happen, it's just the usual Twitter bullshit.

It's amazing how quickly Twitter is filling up with pure noise. It's really important to know who the good news sources are.

I suggest weeddude.

[Link: twitter.com...]

459 dragonath  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:35:41am

Graham Says Romney Lost Because Christians Didn't Vote

Billy Graham's kid sounds like Ian Paisley

460 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:40:48am

re: #459 dragonath

Graham Says Romney Lost Because Christians Didn't Vote

Billy Graham's kid sounds like Ian Paisley

Lol.
Ok, let's say that's true.
It would the RRs fault.
You know, calling Mormons cultists and all.
What an idiot.

461 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:45:10am

Back from the doctor. No results till Monday, though I can tell you the session was significantly different from the last time a cute Eastern European girl, warm gel, hand held devices, and an exam table and I were in the same room together.

462 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:47:11am

Sheets: Judgment is Coming Because 'God Has Put Up with All of the Mocking He Intends to from Barack Obama'

Before the election, Cindy Jacobs hosted a "Reformation Day" prayer rally in which speaker after speaker prayed/prophesied that President Obama would be defeated and Jesus glorified in the election. Among the speakers was Dutch Sheets, who proclaimed that the "systems of anti-Christ" that bound the nation would be broken ... but that obviously didn't happen, as Obama was re-elected, which has prompted Sheets to now declare that God's wholesale judgment is about to rain down on this nation because "God has put up with all of the mocking He intends to from Barack Obama":

"Yeah, I was sitting next to God at the bar after work, and he kept nursing his scotch and talking about how he was tired of Obama's shit. True story."

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:47:15am

re: #423 Daniel Ballard

I'm having trouble taking a threatened building more seriously than living human beings. I find that to be outrage worthy all by itself.

Well, yes, but then again, the Western Wall is adjacent to al-Aqsa, and I find myself quite nauseated at the thought of it being damaged.

Practically speaking, any harm to a major Muslim or Jewish site in Jerusalem will get enough people killed that I'm pretty comfortable fretting over the safety of the buildings.

464 Flounder  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:48:27am

Kragar, you forgot the midget and the donkey.

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:48:31am

re: #434 bratwurst

Ever wonder what a fucking asshole has to say about the situation unfolding in Israel?

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(you might think a celebrated intellectual would be aware that Israel hasn't occupied Gaza in 8 years...or that the US DID occupy Cuba for decades)

I suppose blockades are no longer important once...SQUIRREL!!

466 dragonath  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:48:58am

Hey look at this

Hostess is bankrupt … again

There's also some interesting stuff in there that talks about some insidery connections with Dick Gephart, of all people.

467 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:49:11am

HAHAHAHAHA!
[Link: petitions.whitehouse.gov...]

468 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:49:50am

re: #464 Flounder

Kragar, you forgot the midget and the donkey.

That was a different time entirely.

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:50:21am

re: #445 Vicious Babushka

It's the same self-promoting bullshit by Gershon Baskin, who made up his own "peace plan" and has been shopping it around to his BFF's in Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

He is a private citizen and has no authority to conduct any negotiations on behalf of anybody, even assuming that Hamas and Islamic Jihad would do anything other than laugh in his face (or shoot him in the face).

It's like Roseanne Barr claiming to negotiate with Iran.

Baskin's not quite that far gone, but the idea that peace was in our grasp and then THIS happened is pretty far-fetched, which seems to be what he's suggesting.

He was involved in talking to people about getting Shalit returned, no? Was he a significant player, or does he just like to have coffee with people?

470 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:51:09am

re: #459 dragonath

Graham Says Romney Lost Because Christians Didn't Vote

Billy Graham's kid sounds like Ian Paisley

Does he scream NO! at regular intervals, though?

471 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:51:26am

re: #470 SanFranciscoZionist

Does he scream NO! at regular intervals, though?

NO!

472 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:51:36am

re: #454 Lidane

Papa Bear O'Reilly fails at self-awareness:

Image: enhanced-buzz-20036-1353041098-1.jpg

Remember, to RWNJs, Fixed Neuz is "DA TROOF", not biased.

473 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:52:15am

Swanson: Democrats Plan to Grow Government by Ensuring 'Everybody is Committing Homosexual Acts and They're High on Drugs'

Pastor Kevin Swanson of Generations Radio this week said that Democrats are deviously working to “strip back” government control over marijuana and homosexuality “in order to maximize the immorality of the people” and “increase the size of government.” The “Democratic vision in a nutshell,” according to Swanson, is “to make sure everybody is committing homosexual acts and they’re high on drugs, and then they vote for Democrats to increase the size of government and provide pretend security for the people high on drugs.”
...
Swanson continued his tirade by declaring that since Americans are “not voting for pro-life candidates,” they are “pro-abortion” and “just love to kill kids.” He further proclaimed that “what women really care about is the ability to kill their children.”

474 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:52:24am

re: #467 Varek Raith

HAHAHAHAHA!
[Link: petitions.whitehouse.gov...]

I would totally sign off on that one.

475 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:53:23am
476 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:53:58am

I'm waiting to see one that says we need to ban offshore drilling so as not to awaken the Great Old Ones before the stars are right.

477 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:54:07am

re: #469 SanFranciscoZionist

Baskin's not quite that far gone, but the idea that peace was in our grasp and then THIS happened is pretty far-fetched, which seems to be what he's suggesting.

He was involved in talking to people about getting Shalit returned, no? Was he a significant player, or does he just like to have coffee with people?

He CLAIMS he was involved in getting Shalit returned. I don't think anyone else has acknowledged that he had anything to do with it. He is just a private citizen with no authority to negotiate about anything and not a member of any government body.

478 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:55:04am

re: #476 Kragar

I'm waiting to see one that says we need to ban offshore drilling so as not to awaken the Great Old Ones before the stars are right.

I would but I'm too lazy to sign up.

479 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:55:09am

re: #441 NJDhockeyfan

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Just read that article. Want to read the report as the article makes claims that...

ok. Did the IAEA really say, "Iran is poised to double output of higher-enriched uranium that can be turned easily into the core of a nuclear warhead." Or is most of that interpretation based on the underlying fact that Iran has recently doubled the number of working centrifuges?

And since I've seen another article, I notice there's no mention that Iran has also massively increased the conversion of the existing 20% to fuel plates - things that basically can't be turned to weapons without basically treating them as unrefined uranium.

But I still want to see what the IAEA actually said. Almost all the reporters have this habit of writing what they want to see.

480 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:55:23am

re: #450 Vicious Babushka

There is no news about it because it didn't happen, it's just the usual Twitter bullshit.

Ah, here is where they got that lie from...PressTV!

Palestinians shoot down Israeli F-16 fighter jet in Gaza

481 William of Orange  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:56:08am

Woohooo!! Landmark here! The day I created my very first LGF page!!


I found this clip about the history of violence in Israel. Hope you like it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

(That sounded a bit wrong.... Guess I'm a bit chuffed about the page. ;-) )

482 Flounder  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:56:25am

re: #467 Varek Raith

All that's old is new again!

I'm growing my mullet back!

483 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:56:26am

re: #478 Varek Raith

I would but I'm too lazy to sign up.

Unlike those dumbass secessionists, I have no intention of making it easier for the Federal Government to track me down.
/

484 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:57:20am

re: #479 kirkspencer

Just read that article. Want to read the report as the article makes claims that...

ok. Did the IAEA really say, "Iran is poised to double output of higher-enriched uranium that can be turned easily into the core of a nuclear warhead." Or is most of that interpretation based on the underlying fact that Iran has recently doubled the number of working centrifuges?

And since I've seen another article, I notice there's no mention that Iran has also massively increased the conversion of the existing 20% to fuel plates - things that basically can't be turned to weapons without basically treating them as unrefined uranium.

But I still want to see what the IAEA actually said. Almost all the reporters have this habit of writing what they want to see.

Bombs use enriched uranium @ >85%
20% would make an highly inefficient bomb.

485 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:58:25am
486 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:58:45am

re: #473 Kragar

Swanson: Democrats Plan to Grow Government by Ensuring 'Everybody is Committing Homosexual Acts and They're High on Drugs'

This is a significant source of the die-hard Republican base. I don't want to disparage religious folk too very much, but suffice it to say that, especially here in the deep south, people are very... receptive to what their preachers have to say.

And their preacher telling them that Democrats are more or less pure evil incarnate that want to turn everyone into gay pedophile junkies has an effect on their political calculus.

487 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 9:59:39am

Home Front Command: Prepare for 7 weeks of fighting

Home Front Command asks local authorities to prepare for seven-week fighting period: In discussions held between Home Front Command Chief Major-General Eyal Eisenberg, regional commanders and heads of local authorities in the center and in the south, authorities have been instructed to prepare for a seven-week period of combat as part of Operation Pillar of Defense and to prepare emergency supplies, accordingly

488 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:00:00am

I have a feeling a ground invasion into Gaza in inevitable now...

489 dragonfire1981  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:00:23am

So who would God prefer to lead the country?

- A lying, deceitful, arrogant Mormon

OR

- A flawed yet humble professed Christian with a stable marriage who does a great job of appealing to people from a wide range of backgrounds and ethnicities.

Hmmm...

490 danarchy  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:00:44am

re: #448 Varek Raith

20% enrichment does not a bomb make. That needs to be way higher.

True, but remember it isn't a linear scale. In raw uranium you have one U235 in every 140 atoms. By the time you are at 20% enriched you already have it to 1 in 5.

491 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:03:43am
492 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:04:34am

re: #490 danarchy

True, but remember it isn't a linear scale. In raw uranium you have one U235 in every 140 atoms. By the time you are at 20% enriched you already have it to 1 in 5.

Which as Varek Raith noted is still not 85%. Or even 80% (little boy used that, all 64 kg of it.)

493 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:05:25am

re: #490 danarchy

True, but remember it isn't a linear scale. In raw uranium you have one U235 in every 140 atoms. By the time you are at 20% enriched you already have it to 1 in 5.

True, but plutonium bombs are far more complicated and prone to contamination.
Derp. Misread that.

494 dragonfire1981  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:06:10am

re: #486 GunstarGreen

This is a significant source of the die-hard Republican base. I don't want to disparage religious folk too very much, but suffice it to say that, especially here in the deep south, people are very... receptive to what their preachers have to say.

And their preacher telling them that Democrats are more or less pure evil incarnate that want to turn everyone into gay pedophile junkies has an effect on their political calculus.

Which is why I love my church. In the sermon last Sunday our Preacher practically castigated most of the religious right for losing their minds since Obama got elected and openly wondered why some Christians feel it's perfectly fine to act all proper most of the time but cuss like a sailor on Facebook because you don't like who is in the White House.

He also spoke about how Christians are destroying the church by not living the way Jesus would. In other words, not practicing what we preach. This sermon drew huge enthusiasm from the congregation.

495 dragonfire1981  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:06:48am

re: #491 Lidane

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RETROACTIVE BENGHAZI!

496 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:06:51am

re: #488 NJDhockeyfan

I have a feeling a ground invasion into Gaza in inevitable now...

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It's starting to look that way. Sadly it will probably end up like previous actions. Hamas leadership and fighters will hide in hospitals and UN compounds where they can't be touched. The IDF will temporarily reduce terrorist stockpiles and supplies and then retreat. We'll just have to repeat the process in a few years after they stock up again. I really don't foresee any scenario where a ground incursion will change anything.

497 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:07:15am
498 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:07:24am

re: #473 Kragar

Swanson: Democrats Plan to Grow Government by Ensuring 'Everybody is Committing Homosexual Acts and They're High on Drugs'

I think Swanson got the drugs because the only way I think his tirade makes sense is if he's drugged out of his mind.

499 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:12:32am

re: #494 dragonfire1981

Well, send them my thanks for trying to keep things more sane. Sounds like it was pretty well received, which is heartening. A lot of people are too set in their ways to take a message like that well.

I'll never forget the day I finally gave up on my parents, when they told me that I should come to their church because I would like their new pastor. "He's real smart and funny, and he gives the best sermons -- well, except that one time when he said bad things about Fox News..."

500 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:12:39am

re: #477 Vicious Babushka

He CLAIMS he was involved in getting Shalit returned. I don't think anyone else has acknowledged that he had anything to do with it. He is just a private citizen with no authority to negotiate about anything and not a member of any government body.

Thanks. I've been wanting to look into that one. He's one hell of a self-promoter.

501 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:13:02am

re: #480 NJDhockeyfan

Ah, here is where they got that lie from...PressTV!

Palestinians shoot down Israeli F-16 fighter jet in Gaza

PressTV is weird. They will report ANYTHING.

502 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:13:23am

re: #488 NJDhockeyfan

I have a feeling a ground invasion into Gaza in inevitable now...

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Oh, goddamnit.

503 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:14:21am

re: #496 Killgore Trout

It's starting to look that way. Sadly it will probably end up like previous actions. Hamas leadership and fighters will hide in hospitals and UN compounds where they can't be touched. The IDF will temporarily reduce terrorist stockpiles and supplies and then retreat. We'll just have to repeat the process in a few years after they stock up again. I really don't foresee any scenario where a ground incursion will change anything.

I think Israel has no choice. The rockets seems to reaching farther now and as more people come in range of being murdered something more has to be done.

504 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:18:45am

re: #502 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, goddamnit.

My friend's son just got out of the IDF and is waiting to be assigned to a reserve unit. His mom is very concerned.

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:19:53am

re: #504 NJDhockeyfan

My friend's son just got out of the IDF and is waiting to be assigned to a reserve unit. His mom is very concerned.

I'd be out of my mind. I'm pretty out of my mind as is.

This feels like it has a lot of potential to turn real bad, real fast.

506 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:22:39am

I tend to stay out of the Israel/Palestine discussions, but this looks all bad.
For everyone.

507 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:23:22am

re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd be out of my mind. I'm pretty out of my mind as is.

This feels like it has a lot of potential to turn real bad, real fast.

She told me an incredible story about what happened with him on his birthday in August. I don't feel it should be posted here though for safety reasons for him and respect for her. I'm only the 4th person she told about it.

508 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:23:40am

re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd be out of my mind. I'm pretty out of my mind as is.

This feels like it has a lot of potential to turn real bad, real fast.

When things get bad for me, I find that meditation helps greatly.

509 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:24:18am

re: #508 Varek Raith

When things get bad for me, I find that meditation helps greatly.

Medication works for me.

510 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:25:13am

re: #509 Vicious Babushka

Medication works for me.

Those help too.

511 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:26:30am

re: #473 Kragar

Swanson: Democrats Plan to Grow Government by Ensuring 'Everybody is Committing Homosexual Acts and They're High on Drugs'

That would never work, when the Dem GOTV effort calls and tells me I need to go vote now and I tell them I am too busy having anal sex with a guy while smoking a blunt what are they going to do then, huh?

///

512 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:27:52am

re: #506 OhNoZombies!

I tend to stay out of the Israel/Palestine discussions, but this looks all bad.
For everyone.

+1

I'm not well-versed enough to get involved the Israeli-Palestinian conflict debates around here, but anyone can look at what's going on now and see that it's going to get real bad real soon.

513 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:28:36am

re: #511 watching you tiny alien kittens are

That would never work, when the Dem GOTV effort calls and tells me I need to go vote now and I tell them I am too busy having anal sex with a guy while smoking a blunt what are they going to do then, huh?

///

Vote absentee, and send it in the mail.

514 Kragar  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:29:02am

Alabama secessionist blames government for closing topless car wash

WKRG-TV managed to track down Derrick Belcher, the man responsible for the petition calling for Alabama’s secession.

Gawker noted on Thursday that the 45-year-old trucking company manager was really just upset because his Euro Details topless car wash had been shut down by the government.

But according to Al.com, it was the Mobile city government — not the federal government — that arrested Belcher and charged him with obscenity after the state of Alabama enacted an anti-obscenity law in 1998.

“The government ripped my business away, and now they’re choking America to death with rules and regulations,” the secessionist explained.

515 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:32:30am

IDF sends text message to Gaza mobile phones: 'The next phase is on the way'

The Israeli army is sending text messages to mobile phones in Gaza with a warning in Arabic: “The next phase is on the way. Stay away from Hamas elements.”

516 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:33:58am

re: #486 GunstarGreen

I really wish I could sue the pants of the minister at my parent's church. His nasty, mean, hateful bullshit kept my parents away from me and their grandchildren for almost a decade. Ok,so my parents and I weren't in a perfect relationship to start with, but we were working on it. My mom went to him over concerns about pagan-y things in my home and he told her our house and our little family were part of Satan's Evil Plan(great metal band name) and that she shouldn't be around us. I guess the debil will get all over you if you get too close. Scared her and dad and made them fear us. Keep in mind that this minister had NEVER met me or my husband and son,never saw our home or anything before he made his holy pronouncement. Asshole. Not to mention the amount of money that church sucked out of my parents' pockets.

No, I can't imagine why I don't trust people who claim to be spiritual leaders.

517 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:37:20am

re: #513 OhNoZombies!

Vote absentee, and send it in the mail.

I'd probably forget to put postage on it and get it back return mail. :(

/

518 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:38:07am
519 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:40:41am

re: #518 NJDhockeyfan

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Wait a second, I didn't think the Russians got earthquakes since they don't support that whole Gay equality thing? What is it that God is punishing them for then?

520 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:40:52am

From a friend in Israel:

My drive home last night was interesting. I was leaving the office in Petach Tivkvah for the short drive back to my hotel in Ramat Gan. As I was stepping toward the door, a co-worker loudly said "slicha" (excuse me). He told me of the air raid alarm which was apparently a rocket headed toward Tel Aviv. We already knew a rocket had landed in Rishon LeZion, just south of Tel Aviv. Those of us who were about to leave gathered in the fortified conference room - we have one on every floor, complete with air filtration system - until we believed it was clear. All the way home in the car, the Code Red alarm kept playing on the radio.

This is life in central Israel now.

521 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:41:02am

An interesting article. I can't vouch for the credibility but it looks plausible...
IDF Tracked Rockets From Iran to Hamas

The smuggling operation was highly complex. The Fajr-5 rockets made in Iran, each six meters long, were transported all the way from their country of origin — dismantled and re-assembled along the way, smuggled via the Gaza Strip tunnels and then hoisted out using cranes — until they were positioned at their launching sites in Gaza.

However, the smugglers were unaware that all that time, for over a year, IDF intelligence, headed by Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi, was after them, tracking them down from the moment they left Iran, targeting and destroying the rockets in a matter of minutes.

While Operation Pillar of Defense started with the targeting and killing of Hamas’ military chief in Gaza Ahmed Jabari, the terror organizations in the Gaza Strip were in for an even bigger shock when they realized that virtually the entire lineup of Fajr-5 rockets was eliminated in the space of a few minutes.
....
The smuggling of rockets into the Gaza Strip was foiled, in part, far away from Gaza. According to reports by foreign sources, it was Israel that bombed the weapon-carrying convoys that left Iran on their way to Gaza.

The long rockets were dismantled into several parts by the smugglers before moving them through the tunnels, while storage sites were prepared for them in Gaza. Israeli intelligence operatives detected excavations in various places across the Gaza Strip, mainly near civilian population centers. These column-like holes were dug out, and the rockets transferred through the tunnels and hoisted out by cranes, which then hid the rockets deep down in the holes, ready for launching in their pre-planned directions. To each launching site, a special operator was assigned so that each knew where “his" rocket, the one he was to fire when the day came, was located.

522 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:42:27am

re: #519 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Wait a second, I didn't think the Russians got earthquakes since they don't support that whole Gay equality thing? What is it that God punishing them for then?

God's not punishing them, he's only giving them more causes for soul-deep Russian sadness. They wilt, otherwise.

(Populated area? Are there bad casualties?)

523 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:42:34am

OK, can someone explain to me if Gaza is basically closed off from Israel, surrounded by checkpoints and guards and the like, then how are they so heavily armed? I know that's probably idiotic, but I honestly am clueless about ME politics and the wars and fighting in general there.

And can someone tell me what the fighting is about? I mean what started the whole mess at the beginning? Quite often these long protracted conflicts start off being about one thing and end up being about something else entirely. Is that what's happening here?

I truly apologize for seeming like an idiot about this, but I seriously don't know why Israel and the Palestinian people hate each other to this degree. And who stands to gain the most from all this conflict?

524 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:43:04am

re: #519 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Wait a second, I didn't think the Russians got earthquakes since they don't support that whole Gay equality thing? What is it that God punishing them for then?

And since Iran gets hit regularly with earthquakes, I can only assume that there must be some factor other than tolerating LGBT that gets you hit.

Fault lines is my guess.

525 gwangung  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:46:41am

re: #524 SanFranciscoZionist

And since Iran gets hit regularly with earthquakes, I can only assume that there must be some factor other than tolerating LGBT that gets you hit.

Fault lines is my guess.

Aieeee! Plate tectonics is the work of the debbil!

526 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:47:26am

re: #523 A Mom Anon

OK, can someone explain to me if Gaza is basically closed off from Israel, surrounded by checkpoints and guards and the like, then how are they so heavily armed? I know that's probably idiotic, but I honestly am clueless about ME politics and the wars and fighting in general there.

They have a huge network of smuggling tunnels under the border with Egypt.

And can someone tell me what the fighting is about? I mean what started the whole mess at the beginning? Quite often these long protracted conflicts start off being about one thing and end up being about something else entirely. Is that what's happening here?

I'll take a stab at the short version. After WWII it was a British colony and the Brits were getting out of the empire business. They divided the country up by demographics, gave the Muslim parts to the Muslims and the Jewish parts to the Jews. Muslims didn't like that arrangement and have been trying to destroy the Jewish part ever since.

527 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:57:45am

Hamas Test Running a UAV in Khan Yunis, Gaza


Heh. That drone test didn't look very successful.
528 CarleeCork  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:57:51am

re: #506 OhNoZombies!

I tend to stay out of the Israel/Palestine discussions, but this looks all bad.
For everyone.

Me too, I looked up Israel in a 1948 encyclopedia and it said see Palestine.

529 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:58:22am

re: #520 SanFranciscoZionist

Those of us who were about to leave gathered in the fortified conference room - we have one on every floor, complete with air filtration system - until we believed it was clear.

Permanent war precautions do tend to bring that kind of thing into reality sadly. I guess the air filtration system is just in case the Palestinians ever completely lose their minds and employee chemical agents. They would have to be insane because that would also trigger a mandatory treaty response by the U.S. one that they no doubt wouldn't like very much. :(

530 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 10:58:52am

First rule of drone testing: Don't hit the fence on take off.

531 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 11:02:48am
532 Lidane  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 11:04:05am
533 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 11:05:23am

re: #523 A Mom Anon

OK, can someone explain to me if Gaza is basically closed off from Israel, surrounded by checkpoints and guards and the like, then how are they so heavily armed? I know that's probably idiotic, but I honestly am clueless about ME politics and the wars and fighting in general there.

And can someone tell me what the fighting is about? I mean what started the whole mess at the beginning? Quite often these long protracted conflicts start off being about one thing and end up being about something else entirely. Is that what's happening here?

I truly apologize for seeming like an idiot about this, but I seriously don't know why Israel and the Palestinian people hate each other to this degree. And who stands to gain the most from all this conflict?

Gaza abuts the Egyptian border and "smugglers tunnels" run under the border between Egypt and Gaza. Israel's sea blockade of Gaza has slowed down their ability to acquire arms to some extent but they cannot control smuggling from Egypt, especially because of the recent fall of the government there which has caused even less oversight and control on the Egyptian side of the border.

534 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 11:15:31am

re: #532 Lidane

That 417 mil is a drop in the bucket for these banks. Same goes for the 4 billion in the BP mess(which if I understand correctly is to be paid in installments over many years, yep, that sure hurt 'em, oooh) I suppose something is better than nothing, but this is why these big ass companies keep doing evil shit. The financial thing is just the cost of doing business to them, it's not a deterrent. I just hope this money goes to people who got hurt in this mess.

535 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 11:16:29am

re: #523 A Mom Anon

And can someone tell me what the fighting is about? I mean what started the whole mess at the beginning? Quite often these long protracted conflicts start off being about one thing and end up being about something else entirely. Is that what's happening here?

In the beginning the British gave up the charter to oversee Palestine and walked away. Israel declared itself to be a country in what used to be most of Palestine and was immediately recognized by some other countries, thereby gaining some legitimacy. The Arab nations told all their people to get out of the "war zone" including the Palestinians, but promised them they could return just as soon as Israel was defeated. Israel kicked all their asses collectively with the aid of its overseas supporters/arms suppliers.

The Palestinians who had left like they were told to by other Arab countries lost their homes, farms, possessions, and livelihoods. That was over sixty years ago but their descendents still want them back enough to fight on until Israel is destroyed (their words not mine). Meanwhile the Palestinians who stayed were eventually granted full Israeli citizenship and allowed to keep all their stuff.

536 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 11:27:30am

re: #523 A Mom Anon

I truly apologize for seeming like an idiot about this, but I seriously don't know why Israel and the Palestinian people hate each other to this degree. And who stands to gain the most from all this conflict?

The other Arab nations that need an outsider to blame all their problems on gain the most. And who better to blame than Jews? That is why Palestinians are forced to live in refugee camps in other arab nations rather than be granted citizenship, even after 60 years, even though they were born from parents who were also born in their "temporary" host country. The Palestinians refuse to renounce terror and political violence to achieve their ultimate goal which is nothing short of the complete elimination of Israel.

The Israelis did not start out with anything like that level of hate, and many of them still do not feel that way, but sixty years of constant attacks and threats of attack have empowered the Rightwing of their Government tremendously. Israel is now led by an extremely hawkish coalition that sees no possibility of peace and instead would prefer to expand Israel and slowly drive these people away from ever enlarging borders.

To put it bluntly it is a fucking mess...

537 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 11:47:31am

re: #519 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Wait a second, I didn't think the Russians got earthquakes since they don't support that whole Gay equality thing? What is it that God is punishing them for then?

They had a hidden Benghazi deposit, that's why.
//

538 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 16, 2012 12:10:59pm

re: #511 watching you tiny alien kittens are

That would never work, when the Dem GOTV effort calls and tells me I need to go vote now and I tell them I am too busy having anal sex with a guy while smoking a blunt what are they going to do then, huh?

///

We have a block for that on the OfA canvasser form. Someone will drop by with a nice chardonnay later.


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