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Inadvertent Wingnut Humor Site of the Day: Conservative Fact Check

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As a connoisseur of wingnut craziness, I was very pleased to discover the excellent website called Conservative Fact Check, a right wing attempt to do for fact-checking what Unskewed Polls did for legitimate surveys — completely reinvent reality itself!

This stubborn refusal to bow to the demands of logic and rationality often leads, of course, to exceptional inadvertent comedy; for example, CFC’s Definitive Proof of Politifact’s Bias!

Their clever method to prove that Politifact is a liberal propaganda outfit: they took all of Politifact’s “Pants on Fire” ratings for a list of politicians, and … added them up! See? They used mathematics here!

And they produced this definitive chart to demonstrate their definitive proof.

There you have it! And to make the bias even more definitively proven, here’s the Conservative Fact Check methodology:

We assembled this chart by sorting PolitiFact’s complete list of “Pants On Fire” rulings. We filtered out any rulings of chain email or anonymous Facebook posts (although these were virtually all conservative viewpoints), as well as politicians or organizations who had only one “Pants On Fire” ruling (but again, even these were mostly conservatives).

The results are, sadly, not surprising. But the situation is grave. PolitiFact (and other supposedly unbiased fact-checking sites) paint Mitt Romney as a serial liar. They also unfairly tarnish Michele Bachmann as a liar, when anybody who follows her already understands that many of her statements aren’t meant to be truthful in the first place — she simply says what she feels. …

To have any semblance of fairness, PolitiFact should play it 50/50 and present an equal number of lies from both sides. They clearly are not concerned with any pretense.

I know, you’re probably thinking this has to be a spoof, right? They must have at least considered the possibility that the reason why their definitive chart shows conservatives lying more than liberals is because … they actually lie more?

But no! Conservative Fact Check is honestly, sincerely this hilarious. What does “reality” mean to a wingnut true believer, after all?

For the definitive answer, here’s their About CFC statement:

CFC is dedicated to providing a conservative alternative to enormously liberal-biased fact checking sites like snopes.com, factcheck.org, and politifact.com.

It’s a familiar scenario: you receive a particularly juicy story about Obama in email and forward it to your friends. Then, somebody on your mailing list tries to ruin the fun by sending you a link from Snopes which declares your story to be false. What do you do if you know it’s true?

Send them to CFC, of course!

It’s going to take some time, but our goal is to offer a rebuttal to all the so-called fact checking site “facts” that matter.

You know those deranged racist conspiracy theories your Fox News-watching Uncle Walter is always emailing you? Why let liberals ruin the fun with their socialist “debunking” tricks? Those emails are only as true as you want them to be!

UPDATE at 11/25/12 4:08:59 pm

One of the founders of this fine website calls himself “Techdude:”

“Techdude”, Technical Editor

Accomplished computer expert “techdude” has an A.A.S. in Network Technology and Security from Inver Hills Community College. He specializes in detecting document and photo forgeries.

Could this be the very same “Techdude” who worked with Birther loon Pamela Geller to analyze the pixels in President Obama’s birth certificate, producing the hilarious “heat map analysis” we featured previously at LGF, definitively proving that Barack Obama is a sekrit commie Muslim impostor?

Yes, it has to be the same one. Most excellent!

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145 comments

1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:03:51pm

The only way conservatives can hang on to their tenuous grasp on reality is to completely seal the echo chamber.

2 BongCrodny  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:05:06pm
They also unfairly tarnish Michele Bachmann as a liar, when anybody who follows her already understands that many of her statements aren’t meant to be truthful in the first place — she simply says what she feels. …

What? What?

3 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:06:39pm

Once again they show their hate of science by forming a conclusion and then changing the facts to fit. All without recognizing they're doing it.

4 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:06:43pm

They have a graph you losers!!
//

5 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:09:22pm

Is this an Andy Schlafly project? It has all the hallmarks.

6 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:09:43pm

Can they be any less self aware?

7 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:10:04pm

See the update above for the inevitable Pamela Geller connection.

8 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:10:14pm

re: #1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

The only way conservatives can hang on to their tenuous grasp on reality is to completely seal the echo chamber.

Pretty much...and the only way they can do that is to control what they call "facts" from beginning to end, discounting any source or "fact-checker" that doesn't completely validate their POV.

They really have taken Adam Savage's (tongue-in-cheek) "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" to heart as orthodoxy, haven't they?

/we have always been at war with Eastasia

9 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:12:40pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

See the update above for the inevitable Pamela Geller connection.

Oy vey...

Image: multiple-facepalm.gif

10 dragonath  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:14:07pm

Conservative Bizarro World: Where Newt Gingrich is troofier than Barack Obama.

11 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:15:20pm

[x] Conservative music.
[x] Conservative humor.
[x] Conservative math.
[x] Conservative fact check.
[x] Conservative derp.

12 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:17:21pm

Nice chart though. We should thank them for it.

13 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:19:23pm

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

14 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:21:36pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"



You're a bit late for that...

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15 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:21:50pm

Ha! They even take on NOAA.

I wonder if their use of the Truth-O-Meter is a copyright violation.

16 dragonath  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:24:11pm

Uh, how does someone make a "heat map" of a birth certificate. Do the pixels in the offending words burn with a white hot demonic intensity or something?

17 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:24:28pm

re: #3 A Sockpuppet's Sockpuppet

Once again they show their hate of science by forming a conclusion and then changing the facts to fit. All without recognizing their doing it.

The first step on the road to being a conspiracy theorist is a complete breakdown in the ability to understand proper science.

18 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:27:00pm

re: #16 dragonath

Uh, how does someone make a "heat map" of a birth certificate. Do the pixels in the offending words burn with a white hot demonic intensity or something?

I always thought that a "heat map" was done on an actual object and not on an image. Basically this is a "heat map" effect applied in Photoshop. Total douche baggery.

19 jc717  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:27:26pm

Wait, Snopes has a liberal bias? lol

20 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:29:29pm

These wingnuts are more post-modern than the most post-modern post-modernist.

21 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:29:33pm

re: #19 jc717

Wait, Snopes has a liberal bias? lol

Yeah, they're flaming libs, didn't you know?

Unfortunately for RWNJs, reality really does have a liberal bias, because RWNJs are fucking insane.

22 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:30:03pm

They're so post-modern they wrap around and become pre-modern.

23 jaunte  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:31:08pm
PolitiFact (and other supposedly unbiased fact-checking sites) paint Mitt Romney as a serial liar. They also unfairly tarnish Michele Bachmann as a liar, when anybody who follows her already understands that many of her statements aren’t meant to be truthful in the first place — she simply says what she feels.

I'm dyin' here.

24 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:31:19pm

re: #2 BongCrodny

What? What?

It's like their new tactic is to leave absolutely no room for parody or satire.

25 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:32:19pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

They're so post-modern they wrap around and become pre-modern.

Or prehistoric, as it were.

26 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:32:41pm

re: #23 jaunte

I'm dyin' here.

"It was not meant to be a factual statement!"

27 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:32:48pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

They're so post-modern they wrap around and become pre-modern.

So basically they're going round in circles. Wingnuts are basically a dog chasing its tail.

28 jaunte  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:32:49pm

Next: people who are standing farther away actually are smaller.
You can prove it with a graph.

29 The Gender Ambiguity of a Flea  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:33:38pm

Conservative Fact Check Rating:

[Not a member of the tribe, therefore false.]

30 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:34:19pm

re: #27 Gus

So basically they're going round in circles. Wingnuts are basically a dog chasing its tail.

Ouroboros

31 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:37:05pm

re: #28 jaunte

Next: people who are standing farther away actually are smaller.
You can prove it with a graph.

So are wingnuts looking at life like an Ames room or an Escher painting?

32 BongCrodny  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:37:37pm

re: #11 Gus

[x] Conservative music.
[x] Conservative humor.
[x] Conservative math.
[x] Conservative fact check.
[x] Conservative derp.

Coincidentally, right now I'm listening to Ted Nugent and Dennis Miller while I'm checking out unskewedpolls and conservapedia.

33 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:38:49pm

re: #28 jaunte

Next: people who are standing farther away actually are smaller.
You can prove it with a graph.

Actually the Catholic church in Ireland are struggling with that very issue as we speak:

34 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:38:49pm

re: #32 BongCrodny

Coincidentally, right now I'm listening to Ted Nugent and Dennis Miller while I'm checking out unskewedpolls and conservapedia.

What, are you nuts?

35 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:39:35pm

re: #32 BongCrodny

Coincidentally, right now I'm listening to Ted Nugent and Dennis Miller while I'm checking out unskewedpolls and conservapedia.

My God man, you could cause a wingularity by bringing that much derp together at once!

36 Kaessa  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:39:57pm

re: #19 jc717

Wait, Snopes has a liberal bias? lol

Oh, yes. I have wingnuts in my family who completely discount information from Snopes, especially if it disagrees with what they've already decided.

37 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:41:41pm

There was a page about this website a few days ago. I am 100% 99% certain that it is just for trolling.

38 darthstar  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:42:19pm

Inver Hills Community College - it's the MIT of Inver Hills.

39 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:43:30pm

re: #38 darthstar

Inver Hills Community College - it's the MIT of Inver Hills.

Hey! He's the Editor-In-Chief!

40 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:43:38pm
41 Lidane  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:46:15pm

re: #6 b_sharp

Can they be any less self aware?

Just wait until the 2016 GOP primaries. Heh.

42 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:47:00pm

re: #37 philosophus invidius

There was a page about this website a few days ago. I am 100% 99% certain that it is just for trolling.

If it is, someone needs to tell the hordes of wingnut commenters over there. Whether a spoof or not, this article is really speaking their brains.

43 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:47:13pm

Tell me that this article is for real:
[Link: conservativefactcheck.com...]

44 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:47:13pm

I'm pretty sure this is the genuine wingnut article after checking a bunch of other posts. It's got to be the same "techdude" featured by Pamela Geller.

45 jaunte  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:47:45pm

Oh, the editor is a birther:
From 2011:

About this notion that certified, computer-generated copies of your original birth certificate are actually useful.
[Link: conservativefactcheck.com...]

"The State of Texas has already declared that this "original" still isn't good enough to get him on the ballot in Texas. Tough luck for the Democrats!"

Oops.

46 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:48:18pm

re: #36 Kaessa

Oh, yes. I have wingnuts in my family who completely discount information from Snopes, especially if it disagrees with what they've already decided.

I belive the re: re: re: re: re: re: !!!

47 jaunte  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:48:39pm
First, let's get one thing out of the way: as everbody nows, a COLB and a birth certificate are not the same.

Everbody nows it!

48 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:49:32pm

re: #47 jaunte

Everbody nows it!

Now, now, don't get testy.

49 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:50:46pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

I'm pretty sure this is the genuine wingnut article after checking a bunch of other posts. It's got to be the same "techdude" featured by Pamela Geller.

Oh definitely. He even links to that page at Geller's site.

50 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:50:57pm

re: #35 watching you tiny alien kittens are

My God man, you could cause a wingularity by bringing that much derp together at once!

Wingnuts pushed together by the (to them) repulsive force of reality, eventually combining under pressure to form one super-dense wingnut. Scary thought.

51 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:51:21pm

On Obama and gas prices:

Imagine if McCain had been elected -- we might be paying less than $1.90 a gallon like we were for those magical weeks in December 2008 and January of 2009.

Magical weeks indeed.

52 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:52:35pm

re: #51 philosophus invidius

On Obama and gas prices:

Because we'd still be slogging through a deep recession?

53 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:52:42pm

re: #51 philosophus invidius

On Obama and gas prices:

Yeah. Cheap gas at the very bottom of one of the largest financial meltdowns in history. Imagine that. These bozos kept pushing that stupidity during the election and no one really fell for it.

54 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:52:52pm

re: #51 philosophus invidius

On Obama and gas prices:

"We might be" is fact checking?

55 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:53:19pm

re: #51 philosophus invidius

On Obama and gas prices:

Possibly. The economy might have stayed in the toilet under him.

56 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:54:07pm

2008 saw one of the highest gasoline prices ever seen.

57 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:54:08pm

re: #50 Ayeless in Ghazi

Some speculate that this may already have happened before, and could account for the existence of unusual forms of matter such as Donald Trump.

58 jaunte  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:54:59pm

2012 May Break Record for Fewest Tornadoes

While the "climate scientists" continue to argue that extreme weather conditions are evidence of global warming, little attention is paid to the fact that weather is actually getting better.

[Link: conservativefactcheck.com...]

From the comments:

- "You cannot use one data point during one year to disprove global warming."

- "The US experienced extreme drought conditions this year contributing to fewer tornadoes. Exactly how is that "better"?"

59 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:56:39pm

Hooray for facts!

60 Lidane  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:56:41pm

re: #58 jaunte

2012 May Break Record for Fewest Tornadoes

[Link: conservativefactcheck.com...]

From the comments:

"The US experienced extreme drought conditions this year contributing to fewer tornadoes. Exactly how is that "better"?"

SCIENCE!

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61 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:57:41pm

Here's a longer version:

Liberal apologists try to make the following points:

*Gas prices today are lower than they were for most of 2008.
*When factoring for inflation and pricing trends, gas prices are quite good -- if it weren't for the historic price drop over the three months before inauguration day, pricing actually beats the trend set by the Bush administration.

But none of that makes a difference -- they're wrong. Technically speaking, gas prices are higher today than they were on inauguration day. Forget trends, forget inflation -- that's what matters. Just point them to the weeks surrounding inauguration day. Nobody's claiming that gas prices are bad today compared to most of the previous administration... when arguing with your liberal friends, don't let them change the goalposts.

You see what he's doing there?

62 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:58:32pm

re: #61 philosophus invidius

Here's a longer version:

You see what he's doing there?

Can't argue the facts, so instead engage in arguing where the goalposts sit.

63 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 4:59:33pm

Hilarious:

Debunking the NOAA's October State of the Climate

"Average" can mean many things. In this case, the report never states the time period for calculating the "average." Are the average temperatures across 50 years, 60 years, 70? We don't know. If they use a more meaningful period for calculating average temperatures, say ten years (the period of time for which many people remember particular weather patterns), then the chart gets a lot more blue. We can't know if the NOAA has deliberately picked a time period to inflate the values.

Let's go over to that NOAA page shall we?

Well now. What's this?

The average combined global land and ocean surface temperature for October 2012 tied with 2008 as the fifth warmest October on record, at 0.63°C (1.13°F) above the 20th century average of 14.0°C (57.1°F). Records began in 1880.

64 JRCMYP  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:00:05pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

They're so post-modern they wrap around and become pre-modern.

That was lovely. ;)

65 JRCMYP  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:01:00pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

"It was not meant to be a factual statement!"

Exaaaaactly.

66 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:01:05pm

re: #63 Gus

Hilarious:

Debunking the NOAA's October State of the Climate

Let's go over to that NOAA page shall we?

Well now. What's this?

You can even see the start years in their charts. Here's one:

Image: 201201-201210.gif

67 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:01:45pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

Trying to make heads explode.

68 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:02:43pm

Throbbing heat maps!

69 jaunte  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:03:02pm

re: #66 Gus

"The left has its "scientists" and "economists" and "statisticians," while we have common sense. And common sense will win every time."
[Link: conservativefactcheck.com...]

70 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:03:12pm

re: #63 Gus

If they use a more meaningful period for calculating average temperatures, say ten years (the period of time for which many people remember particular weather patterns),

lulz

71 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:04:13pm

re: #51 philosophus invidius

On Obama and gas prices:

Magical weeks indeed.

Facepalm.
Gas was cheap because of a small event called a 'Global Recession'.
Or something.

72 jaunte  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:05:02pm

re: #69 jaunte

"The left has its "scientists" and "economists" and "statisticians," while we have common sense. And common sense will win every time."

That's a pretty good summary of the recent GOP's attitude towards educated experts.

73 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:06:29pm

re: #72 jaunte

That's a pretty good summary of the recent GOP's attitude towards educated experts.

It's raining.

Why's it raining?

God made it rain.

Oh yeah, that makes sense.

74 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:06:39pm

re: #68 Varek Raith

Throbbing heat maps!

If your heat map throbs for more than 4 hours, seek medical attention.

//

75 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:06:57pm

re: #63 Gus

Hilarious:

Debunking the NOAA's October State of the Climate

Let's go over to that NOAA page shall we?

Well now. What's this?

OMFG.

76 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:07:13pm

re: #69 jaunte

"The left has its "scientists" and "economists" and "statisticians," while we have common sense. And common sense will win every time."
[Link: conservativefactcheck.com...]

Ignorance Is Strength!

//

77 jaunte  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:07:48pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Winning!

78 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:08:05pm

re: #69 jaunte

"The left has its "scientists" and "economists" and "statisticians," while we have common sense. And common sense will win every time."

"True conservatives": Embracing ignorance and rejecting hard science.

Fuck them.

79 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:08:14pm

So, anything else on the MB coup?

I do notice the friend I mentioned who went from sweet Social Conservative to smug Lolbertarian (I meant that) said I shouldn't be bashing the MB as much as I do. She's says not all people in it are bad.

She may be right, but a group can have good people in it, and be evil as the dajjal himself. I don't get how someone how so many people my age have gone to this idiotic Libertarianism. In addition, I constantly get told by these people that my politics are outdated. Why are so many of my peers complete idiots? We have been through this exact situation before, in terms of economic policies. You know, Gilded Age? And the punchline is, the friend mentioned at the top is in the Master's Program for teaching, attending a major University for it.

Won't she promote her ideology when teaching? Granted, my mindset in Politics is that Politics right now are a war. From the Culture War stuff that has gone on through my entire life.

80 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:08:25pm

re: #69 jaunte

"The left has its "scientists" and "economists" and "statisticians," while we have common sense. And common sense will win every time."

Not only that but he puts them in quotes. Scare quotes.

Oh yeah, my "oncologist" told me I have cancer. I don't believe him. //

81 stabby  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:08:51pm

(slightly edited... I always make editing errors that I correct later)
Oh for god's sake.

I read that article yesterday and I was sure it was a subtle parody. Then a few minutes later I wasn't so sure...

He's really a nutcase birther? Is it possible that half of his brain is liberal and laughing at him. Mean for God's sake, he even validated Steven Colbert's concept of truthiness like no one in history! They also unfairly tarnish Michele Bachmann as a liar, when anybody who follows her already understands that many of her statements aren’t meant to be truthful in the first place — she simply says what she feels.

She doesn't mean what she says?

Actually he's wrong. Sarah Palin doesn't mean what she says. Newt Gingrich doesn't mean what he says. Glen Beck may not mean what he says. Millions of racist Birchers who call the President a Kenyan don't mean what they say, but Bachmann? She took (a fraudulent course in) law at Oral Roberts University and was taught that the US constitution was meant to base all of our laws on Biblical principles. She recommended a book on her website that said that people should reject all ideas (and laws) that come from secular people because secular concepts are infected by evil from Satan. She homeschools her non-biological children (gay husband) with the same Christian revisionist history she spouts in her speeches. IF ANYONE IN THE COUNTRY HONESTLY BELIEVES REVISIONIST LIES, IT'S MICHELLE BAUCHMANN.

But what does it mean that our birther thinks that conservatives don't really believe what they say? Does it mean that he's aware that he's lying when he spouts his birther crap? That's a fascinating idea, since I've long held that the birther crap and the other equally obvious lies about Obama are meant as a socially acceptable way of standing up and saying "I'm a racist" "I'm a xenophobe" and joining with other racists and xenophobes and that they are deliberate, conscious lies.

82 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:09:29pm

Gah.

83 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:09:31pm

"The left has its "scientists" and "economists" and "statisticians," while we have common sense. And common sense will win every time."
/Colbert

84 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:09:34pm

re: #63 Gus

Hilarious:

Debunking the NOAA's October State of the Climate

Let's go over to that NOAA page shall we?

Well now. What's this?

That page is a graphic example of the complete ignorance of anything to do with math, reading for comprehension, statistics, and research.

85 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:10:07pm

re: #80 Gus

Not only that but he puts them in quotes. Scare quotes.

Oh yeah, my "oncologist" told me I have cancer. I don't believe him. //

"My doc says my coughing up blood is because of small cell lung cancer, but I ain't stupid. I know that this cold's just got me coughing too hard."

86 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:11:10pm

re: #73 Gus

stole ya

87 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:11:12pm
To have any semblance of fairness, PolitiFact should play it 50/50 and present an equal number of lies from both sides.

C'mon people!

88 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:11:38pm

re: #84 b_sharp

That page is a graphic example of the complete ignorance of anything to do with math, reading for comprehension, statistics, and research.

This isn't even 6th to 8th grade stuff. He's failing on simple reading comprehension. Averages.

89 TedStriker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:12:20pm

re: #72 jaunte

That's a pretty good summary of the recent GOP's attitude towards educated experts.

And if the shit ever does hit the fan and these people are in charge, I have no doubts that many of them will want to pull a Pol Pot and put anyone they see as "educated" against the wall.

Maybe I read too much into shit like this, but it's exasperating and scary.

90 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:12:38pm

re: #81 stabby

Osaka!
;)

91 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:14:17pm

re: #69 jaunte

"The left has its "scientists" and "economists" and "statisticians," while we have common sense. And common sense will win every time."
[Link: conservativefactcheck.com...]

I just watched The Mortal Storm with Jimmy Stewart, about the rise of Hitler Not a deep movie, but for 1940 it caught exactly the death and expulsion of the intellects.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

92 stabby  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:15:57pm

re: #90 Varek Raith

The original was a bit animated too, but lgf doesn't show that.

93 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:16:39pm

re: #87 philosophus invidius

C'mon people!

I feel your pain.

But this is the real thing. It really has gotten this bad in Wingnut World.

94 stabby  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:17:55pm

Imagine Techdude debating Nate Silver.
Nate would probably commit suicide through headdesk.

95 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:18:46pm

Wingnuts have entered a weird sort of twilight zone where everything they say sounds exactly like a heavy handed parody of wingnuts.

Here's Jonah Goldberg with what he clearly imagines is radical fresh new tactical thinking:

GOP : Get More Racist

96 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:18:49pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

I hear your pain.

But this is the real thing. It really has gotten this bad in Wingnut World.

Apparently when reality is totally against you and your ideology, just refuse to acknowledge reality. I'm not even sure calling this "rose-tinted" would be sufficient.

97 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:19:06pm

re: #79 ProGunLiberal

Hopefully not bad for me to say.

98 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:19:23pm

re: #95 Ayeless in Ghazi

Wingnuts have entered a weird sort of twilight zone where everything they say sounds exactly like a heavy handed parody of wingnuts.

Here's Jonah Goldberg with what he clearly imagines is radical fresh new tactical thinking:

GOP : Get More Racist

NO.

99 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:21:07pm

re: #95 Ayeless in Ghazi

Wingnuts have entered a weird sort of twilight zone where everything they say sounds exactly like a heavy handed parody of wingnuts.

Here's Jonah Goldberg with what he clearly imagines is radical fresh new tactical thinking:

GOP : Get More Racist

Yeah GOP, go for it! Become even bigger pariahs, that's the ticket!

/

100 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:22:01pm

Great news tonight! We discussed Climate change for awhile..
I know we all have been in total political mode for the last year but as things settle down I hope we can move these discussions forward.
I thought a page that everybody posts their favorite CC article on it would be a great resource to have.

101 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:22:08pm

re: #98 Stanghazi

NO.

It's Goldberg. So you know what he really means is "get more racist like the Democrats." Or something.

102 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:22:09pm

I still lean towards this site being a Poe, there are quite a few subtle and some not so subtle clues to the possibility of it being satire scattered around on there. Hopefully someone is just getting a big laugh by seeing how many wingnuts he can sucker in.

Even if it isn't there is no down side for Libs/Progressives in that the site is so blatantly biased and uses such ridiculously juvenile reasoning that anyone using the arguments found there will be laughed out of the forums. If anything this site only serves to damage wingnut credibility even further than it already has been. I was starting to wonder if that was even possible, now I now better.

103 jaunte  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:23:20pm

re: #95 Ayeless in Ghazi

Jonah Goldberg:

When Romney, whose father marched with Martin Luther King Jr., spoke to the NAACP, Michael Tomasky of the Daily Beast dubbed him a “race-mongering pyromaniac,” primarily for using the term “ObamaCare” — a term Barack Obama used himself.

Factcheck:
"Mostly False"

George Romney and MLK marched, but not together
Three newspapers have tried and failed to find evidence of the two men marching together. The Boston Phoenix first checked Romney's statement and concluded it was false. Subsequent examinations by the Detroit Free Press and the Boston Globe found no news stories linking the two men to the same event.

We at Politifact.com reviewed the New York Times archives and found several mentions of Romney's support for King and several articles discussing marches that each participated in separately, but never a mention of the two marching together.

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

104 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:24:04pm

re: #95 Ayeless in Ghazi

Wingnuts have entered a weird sort of twilight zone where everything they say sounds exactly like a heavy handed parody of wingnuts.

Here's Jonah Goldberg with what he clearly imagines is radical fresh new tactical thinking:

GOP : Get More Racist

Read that earlier. Then I re-read it. I still have no idea what point he's trying to make, other than a vague denial of right wing racism.

Which is pretty rich, coming from someone associated with the National Review, where they had to disassociate from not one, but TWO white nationalists this year.

105 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:25:47pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

I hear your pain.

But this is the real thing. It really has gotten this bad in Wingnut World.

I would agree accept for the fact that the articles actually make good points that real wingnuts ignore--only to then "argue" against those points in the most ridiculous manner possible.

You can't recover by standing still. To get back on our feet, our nation's gross domestic product needs to be growing at greater than the normall rate.

But according to the FRED database, under Obama, it's growing at the same rate that it did under Bush (at least until the recession).

graph: Image: gdp.png
That is a graph that would be banished from wingnut land.

106 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:26:13pm

re: #101 Gus

It's Goldberg. So you know what he really means is "get more racist like the Democrats." Or something.

Ding, DING, DING we have a winner!

I don’t think the Republican Party is racist now (and, historically, has a lot less to answer for than the Democratic Party does).

107 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:27:18pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Read that earlier. Then I re-read it. I still have no idea what point he's trying to make, other than a vague denial of right wing racism.

Which is pretty rich, coming from someone associated with the National Review, where they had to disassociate from not one, but TWO white nationalists this year.

As far as I can tell his argument is "Step 1: Remember all those times when everyone else said we were being racist? Well we weren't - so let's do even more of that stuff! Step 3- Profit!"

108 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:27:32pm

That site is so frustratingly stupid I simply don't know what to say.

I don't think it's a POE. It would take a rather brilliant POE to come up with those insane arguments.

109 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:29:14pm

re: #108 b_sharp

That site is so frustratingly stupid I simply don't know what to say.

I don't think it's a POE. It would take a rather brilliant POE to come up with those insane arguments.

He was promoting it in Free Republic.

110 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:29:34pm

re: #107 Ayeless in Ghazi

As far as I can tell his argument is "Step 1: Remember all those times when everyone else said we were being racist? Well we weren't - so let's do even more of that stuff! Step 3- Profit!"

Where's step 2?

111 stabby  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:29:53pm

re: #95 Ayeless in Ghazi

That reminds me how strange and unexpected the changes in attitudes I see over at pjmedia are now that the election is over and lost.

I'm too tired to go into it right now, and besides it needs further thought.

It's been the weirdest ride for those guys. A few years ago they were birther/tea party central. A full 1/2 of their comments were lies about Obama (Kenyan, Communist, Islamist, white hating radical, deliberately destroying capitalism, deliberately destroying America, deliberately destroying Christianity etc.).

Their favorite presidential candidate was Michelle Bachmann.

They were fully asto-turfed and censored for a few months before the election... and now they're not.

They're despirited, they're talking about giving up on basic policies like ObamaCare, they're talking about giving up on America, and some real open racism is breaking open in the comment sections too. Not that the threads on Travon Martin weren't worse than you could possibly imagine.

112 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:30:14pm
While the Bush tax cuts are not yet revenue positive, supply-side economists understand that this is because the plan takes time. It's only been ten years since the Bush tax cuts have taken effect. This is, we believe, why Romney will cut taxes even more: to accelerate the process.

Q.E.D.

113 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:30:35pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Read that earlier. Then I re-read it. I still have no idea what point he's trying to make, other than a vague denial of right wing racism.

Which is pretty rich, coming from someone associated with the National Review, where they had to disassociate from not one, but TWO white nationalists this year.

Pretty much. The GOP is not being racist, but it should double down on the things that are accused of being racist, because that's what will win over the "feckless" African American vote.

114 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:31:05pm

re: #106 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Ding, DING, DING we have a winner!

And you know that if pressed on it he'll defend it based on the Democratic Party pre-1968 for the most part. When they were the more racist party.

115 lostlakehiker  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:31:07pm

I `like' their methodology. They start out assuming some two populations are completely equal with respect to some metric. They then conclude that if objective tests score the one population lower than the other, that it must be discrimination.

(The populations in question being right wing politicians and left wing politicians, the thing being measured being factual accuracy, and the objective test being to count how many statements both sides make that rate as "pants on fire" because the statement is just plain false, and it was made in earnest and with the intent to get others to believe it.)

It's circular reasoning. It assumes the truth of what is at issue.

116 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:31:15pm
117 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:31:20pm

re: #112 philosophus invidius

Q.E.D.

Time that, apparently, can only be measured in geologic terms. Apparently 30+ years isn't enough time.

118 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:33:01pm

re: #110 b_sharp

Where's step 2?

119 jaunte  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:33:38pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

My "french expert" told me a mirage was something you look forward to.

120 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:34:53pm

re: #109 Gus

He was promoting it in Free Republic.

Well yeah, but he would do that whether or not the site was satire, where else can you find so many wingnut mouthbreathers in one place?

/sorta

121 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:35:48pm

re: #120 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Well yeah, but he would do that whether or not the site was satire, where else can you find so many wingnut mouthbreathers in one place?

/sorta

It's not satire.

122 dragonath  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:36:43pm

re: #95 Ayeless in Ghazi

Ah, the National Review, the magazine that published an article asserting that mobs are launching "coordinated attacks on whites in public".

It was on the "O'Reilly Factor". It must be troo.

123 researchok  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:37:09pm

re: #116 Gus

There was a time I believed winger stupid' was entertaining.

Now that I've OD'd on that, winger stupid has become boring.

124 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:39:59pm

Well, I hope that Breitbart et al. keep sending more traffic over there. Maybe a few heads will explode.

125 Mattand  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:40:40pm

Heat map analysis?

Seriously?

126 Skip Intro  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:41:09pm

re: #121 Gus

It's not satire.

Sure it is.

Mitt Romney has made an important point in the argument for repealing ObamaCare:

"We don't have people that become ill, who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance."

It's seemed that not a single liberal media article referencing this quote is complete without mentioning studies that 25,000 - 50,000 adults die prematurely each year due to a lack of health insurance.

25,000 to 50,000. Are those numbers accurate? Perhaps.

But, remember: there are some 206 million adults living in the United States (source: Wikipedia).

This means that each year, only one in four thousand adults will die prematurely as the result of a lack of health insurance. That's statistically insignificant.

So, practically speaking, Romney is correct. The individual mandate is a solution in search of a problem.

It just skates so close to the edge of real RW nutjobbery that it's seems real.

127 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:41:24pm

re: #116 Gus

Here's a mention in Breitfart: Data: PolitiFact's 'Pants on Fire' Awarded Overwhelmingly to Republicans, Conservatives

Comments are completely mental as usual:

It took some 12 years or so for the Civil War to break out after it had been cooking all this time.

That is why nobody should give up their arms. When the Obama admin. gets your guns then you will be enslaved, immediately with no way to win your freedom back.

Protect the 2nd Amendment with all your might. They have been after it almost as hard as Pro-Choice and Same Sex Marriage. After many years the Libs have gotten these two issues passed into law.
Now the guns are next on Hillary Clinton's list of takaways.

128 stabby  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:41:25pm

re: #124 philosophus invidius

huh? Breitbart mouth droolers are way too dumb to notice any fallacies. They'll just agree with everything techdude says.

129 stabby  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:45:49pm

re: #126 Skip Intro

This means that each year, only one in four thousand adults will die prematurely as the result of a lack of health insurance. That's statistically insignificant.

So, practically speaking, Romney is correct. The individual mandate is a solution in search of a problem.

Ann Coulter says pretty much the same. She's not a parody, she's just a heartless moron. And she IS amazingly stupid.

It something to watch her get interviewed by Bill Maher. They obviously like each other, and he only throws her softballs. But she's off guard and reveals herself a totally ignorant airhead.

... you watch them and well, I almost imagine them having sex, they're so into each other... If Bill's attracted to morons does that make him something like a pedophile?

130 Gus  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:46:27pm

re: #126 Skip Intro

Sure it is.

It just skates so close to the edge of real RW nutjobbery that it's seems real.

That's not out of the ordinary for a RWNJ. Not satire.

131 Lidane  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:48:34pm
132 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:50:13pm

re: #128 stabby

huh? Breitbart mouth droolers are way too dumb to notice any fallacies. They'll just agree with everything techdude says.

But first they'll learn some real facts that they won't get on Fox News:


* That gas prices are actually pretty good right now.

* That economic growth is as good now as it was before the recession

* That 25,000 - 50,000 adults die prematurely each year due to a lack of health insurance

* That repeal of Obamacare will not save any money.

* That Republicans were judged to lie a lot more than Dems.

Etc Etc

133 Ziggy Standard  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:52:23pm

re: #130 Gus

That's not out of the ordinary for a RWNJ. Not satire.

Yep - how many times have we seen wingnuts seriously advance totally and obviously self undermining, self defeating and even self ridiculing arguments while thinking they are scoring all the way. It's impossible to be sure anymore.

134 stabby  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:54:37pm

Speaking of birthers, I started buying Kenyan coffee at Starbucks in celebration of Obama winning.

>.>

It's really good, they roast it darker than they used to. Time to get some more.

135 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:55:02pm

re: #129 stabby

Ann Coulter says pretty much the same. She's not a parody, she's just a heartless moron. And she IS amazingly stupid.

It something to watch her get interviewed by Bill Maher. They obviously like each other, and he only throws her softballs. But she's off guard and reveals herself a totally ignorant airhead.

... you watch them and well, I almost imagine them having sex, they're so into each other... If Bill's attracted to morons does that make him something like a pedophile?

They are all performers, they like each other. My moment was when Rachel, smart progressive she is, talked about Pat Buchanan being such a nice guy!

They are one thing on tv, another completely cocktail social, in real life.

Grain of fucking salt.

136 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:55:41pm

On the Romney tax plan:

Again, "how will all of these be paid for?" is the wrong question to ask, as liberalnomics ignores the growth in the economy that these cuts will create. But we have a few clues as to how President Romney will simplify the tax code to bring in more revenue as an offset.

One is in this interview that Mitt Romney gave to Diane Sawyer. In it, he stated that he will eliminate the mortgage interest deduction for second homes.

But don't panic -- this isn't as bad as it seems. This won't hurt job creators, as they often pay cash for properties, and thus can't deduct mortgage interest anyway.

137 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 5:56:00pm

OT, but I know I'm old fart with memories of computing day's gone past but this WTB ad I just saw made me boggle...

Looking for some small capacity SATA 3.5 inch drives. 60-200GB fine.

200 gb is small capacity...

I wish I still had that 5mb 5.25" full height Seagate from my first IBM PC-XT...

138 efuseakay  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:00:55pm

So... RWNJs are 3x more likely to lie? Well yeah. Duh.

139 stabby  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:04:36pm

If this is a parody site, and people like philosophus invidius seem to be trying to convince me it is, then the birther heat map was an Andy Kaufman style totally-deadpan, sabotage/satire.

That would be too wonderful to hope for.

I thought Victoria Jackson and her "Communist in the White House" etc. etc. was an Andy Kaufman style genius satire too for until it was proved to me that she means it.


140 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:09:20pm

re: #19 jc717

Wait, Snopes has a liberal bias? lol

I'll call your lol and raise you a bwahaha.

First, the basics: snopes.com is the work of husband and wife David and Barbara Mikkelson. David originally posted to Usenet as snopes, and the couple applied that nom de guerre to the website when they established it.

Barbara Mikkelson is a Canadian citizen, and as such cannot vote in U.S. elections or contribute to political campaigns. In a statement to FactCheck.org, David Mikkelson said his "sole involvement in politics" is voting on election day. In 2000 he registered as a Republican, documents provided to FactCheck.org show, and in 2008 Mikkelson didn't declare a party affiliation at all. Says Mikkelson: "I've never joined a party, worked for a campaign, or donated money to a candidate"

Follow the money!

A later variant of this rumor alleges, without evidence, that Snopes.com is financed by liberal philanthropist and hedge fund tycoon George Soros. This is false. The website is entirely self-supporting through advertising sales.

141 Skip Intro  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:23:32pm

re: #133 Ayeless in Ghazi

Yep - how many times have we seen wingnuts seriously advance totally and obviously self undermining, self defeating and even self ridiculing arguments while thinking they are scoring all the way. It's impossible to be sure anymore.

Yet as philosophus shows above, real rwnjs don't ever cite facts that disprove their arguement, especially not if they're from the government. They either cry conspiracy (see Jack Welch), or simply make up their own.

142 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 6:54:16pm

Then again, maybe it's wise to let sleeping dogs lie.

143 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:16:25pm

There's a story about Galileo introducing people to his telescopic discoveries. At the time, they mostly all believed the earth was the center of the universe, and the planets were smooth and shiny like glass balls. Galileo showed the rugged surface of the Moon, the moons of Jupiter, the phases of Venus ... they refused to believe their own eyes. Instead, they said the telescope was playing tricks with their eyes.

Some things just don't change, even after 400 years.

144 abolitionist  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 3:14:47pm

re: #143 wheat-dogghazi

The earliest lens-type telecopes did indeed play various tricks with peoples' vision. Chromatic abberation (false rainbow coloring) was one serious flaw in Galileo's time. And few could understand why familiar things like trees, houses and people appeared upside-down.

145 Jay C  Mon, Nov 26, 2012 5:31:47pm

re: #27 Gus

Wingnuts are basically a dog chasing its tail.

More like, a dog that's been chasing its tail, caught it, and only gets more frantic, and runs in circles faster because its tail is in so much pain....


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