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1 darthstar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:29:11am

"America's best Christian" strikes again...I loves me some Betty Bowers.

2 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:31:52am

re: #1 darthstar

LOVE IT!

3 Kragar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:37:14am

White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music

Michael David Dunn, a 45-year-old vice president of Dunn & Dunn Data Systems in Vero Beach, was in Jacksonville this past weekend for his son’s wedding. The Orlando Sentinel details what happened on Friday when Dunn, a gun collector, encountered Jordan Russell Davis, a student at nearby magnet school Samuel W. Wolfson High:

Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and several other teenagers were sitting in a sport utility vehicle in the parking lot when Dunn pulled up next to them in a car and asked them to turn down their music, [Jacksonville sheriff's Lt. Rob] Schoonover said.

Jordan and Dunn exchanged words, and Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice, Schoonover said. Jordan was sitting in the back seat. No one else was hurt.Dunn’s attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.

Schoonover also said that “there were words exchanged” between the two, and Dunn claims to have felt “threatened” before opening fire.

According to his father Ron Davis, the teenager died in the arms of his friend in the car. Ron said his son was unarmed.

Dunn was arrested at his home on Saturday and charged with murder and attempted murder. He is being held without bail.

Davis’s funeral will take place on Saturday, Dec. 1 and his parents plan to create a foundation “for at risk students that suffer from tragedies, in his memory.”

Since Dunn is claiming self-defense, Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which earned infamy after Trayvon Martin’s killing, could be at issue in this case.

4 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:40:01am

THE KIDS WEREN'T ARMED? Did they try to run their vehicle into his?

WTF?

How exactly was he threatened in such a way that he was in danger and warranted a lethal response?

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:42:00am

"There were words exchanged". Musta been fightin' words.

6 darthstar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:42:45am

re: #4 Holidays are Family Fun Time

THE KIDS WEREN'T ARMED? Did they try to run their vehicle into his?

WTF?

How exactly was he threatened in such a way that he was in danger and warranted a lethal response?

They were black. They didn't like Toby Keith. And SYG applies to being inside a running vehicle, apparently.

7 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:43:32am

re: #6 darthstar

They were black. They didn't like Toby Keith. And SYG applies to being inside a running vehicle, apparently.

sitting in vehicle while black is now a crime in florida?

8 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:44:40am

re: #7 Holidays are Family Fun Time

sitting in vehicle while black is now a crime in florida?

It constitutes a lethal threat to anyone white, yes...

9 darthstar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:46:06am

re: #7 Holidays are Family Fun Time

sitting in vehicle while black is now a crime in florida?

Apparently. It'll be interesting to see what this does to the SYG laws there and efforts to fix it so assholes can't just travel around the state feeling threatened.

The fact that he shot 8 or 9 rounds into the car leads me to believe SYG won't stand a chance in this case.

10 danarchy  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:46:18am

re: #1 darthstar

"America's best Christian" strikes again...I loves me some Betty Bowers.

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My first thought was 'what does she have against bob dobbs?'

still drawing a blank on which Bob she is referring to...

11 darthstar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:46:49am

re: #10 danarchy

My first thought was 'what does she have against bob dobbs?'

still drawing a blank on which Bob she is referring to...

Any "Bob"...

12 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:46:51am

re: #9 darthstar

Apparently. It'll be interesting to see what this does to the SYG laws there and efforts to fix it so assholes can't just travel around the state feeling threatened.

The fact that he shot 8 or 9 rounds into the car leads me to believe SYG won't stand a chance in this case.

I have a hard time figuring out how an armed man can feel threatened by unarmed persons IN ANOTHER VEHICLE.

13 darthstar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:47:35am

re: #12 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I have a hard time figuring out how an armed man can feel threatened by unarmed persons IN ANOTHER VEHICLE.

Me too...but work beckons, so I'll have to return later to ponder this.

14 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:48:58am

It's a wonder anyone ever lets their kids out of the house.

WTF

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:49:18am

re: #12 Holidays are Family Fun Time

I have a hard time figuring out how an armed man can feel threatened by unarmed persons IN ANOTHER VEHICLE.

Rap gangstas are notorious for drive-by shootings, of course...


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16 Mattand  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:52:43am

I just read the Orlando Sentinel article. If I understand correctly, Dunn didn't like that black kids were playing loud music while he was at a convenience store? So he killed one of them over it? And is now claiming self-defense?

Seriously? What the fuck, was Dunn living there while in town? The situation was so bad he had to murder a teenager?

Wow. Just wow. I will not be surprised if it comes out that this guy has a history of fighting with people, and/or being a racist.

And I will go here: not that we'll ever know, but I get the feeling if it was a bunch of white kids blasting rock, he wouldn't have looked twice at them.

17 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:54:39am

re: #16 Mattand

And I will go here: not that we'll ever know, but I get the feeling it was a bunch of white kids blasting rock, he wouldn't have looked twice at them.

He might have felt less threatened and simply fired a warning shot into their car stereo...

18 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:55:29am

re: #17 Sol Berdinowitz

He might have felt less threatened and simply fired a warning shot into their car stero...

Or called the cops if they were violating a noise ordinance.
Or drive away.
Kill someone's baby? WTF

I mean, WTF

19 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:56:08am

re: #3 Kragar

White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music

New Florida tourism marketing slogan:

Come to Florida and Shoot Black People!
Our "Stand Your Ground" Law Has You Covered!

/

20 Mattand  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:57:01am

re: #17 Sol Berdinowitz

He might have felt less threatened and simply fired a warning shot into their car stero...

Shit, you just reminded me: this guy was traveling armed. To a convenience store.

I've taken shit for this before, but if you feel so threatened that you need to take a fucking gun with you everywhere go, either move or stay home.

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:57:16am

re: #19 watching you tiny alien kittens are

New Florida tourism marketing slogan:
Come to Florida and Shoot Black People!
Our "Stand Your Ground" Law Has You Covered!

/

Come to Florida and EXPAND your ground!!!

22 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 11:57:55am

re: #19 watching you tiny alien kittens are

New Florida tourism marketing slogan:

/

REally, open game on black people.

WTF!!!!!

I don't get it. I'll never be able to wrap my head around it. EVER.

Jesus H. Crist!

23 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:01:50pm

I keep re-reading the story. He was at a wedding or going to one --did he have alcohol in his system. What time of day was it?

You are in the convenience store for --what? 5 minutes and you drive away. WTF do you care if someone has their radio too loud for your taste?

You have to pull up next to them and tell them to turn it down? You aren't even in your own city?

They are sitting in their vehicle, minding their own business and . . . .

WTF

just

WTF

24 Kragar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:04:03pm

Because when you're in a fully operational motor vehicle which is already running, what option do you have other than to open fire?
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25 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:04:17pm

He stood his ground. Not going to let a bunch of black punks think they could just win an election and get free stuff from Obama and then disrupt his trip to the convenience market...it became too much for his righteously indignant self to bear, so he simply vented the frustration that every person in a similar position has felt since November 6th...

/

26 darthstar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:04:59pm

AGW denier and devoted Bill O'Reilly fan sees "Chasing Ice" and recants.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

27 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:09:24pm

re: #26 darthstar

AGW denier and devoted Bill O'Reilly fan sees "Chasing Ice" and recants.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I wanna see it --mostly to see the puppies run.

28 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:15:10pm

re: #3 Kragar

Man accused of killing Jacksonville teen charged with second-degree murder

Dunn’s attorney, Robin Lemonidis of Melbourne, stated her client “absolutely” saw someone with a shotgun in the red sport-utility vehicle next to his car at the convenience store that night.

...
Assistant State Attorney Mark Caliel wouldn’t comment on Lemonidis’ statement that a shotgun was pointed at Dunn. But he added that Florida’s Stand Your Ground law may be part of her defense.

“We will wait for the Sheriff’s Office to finish their investigation, review all the evidence, and the State Attorney’s Office will make the appropriate charging decision,” Caliel said. “It is really inappropriate for an attorney to comment on the evidence of a pending case.”

Lemonidis has said the teens drove off after Dunn fired at them, and he fired four shots as they left to “make sure they did not fire the shotgun.” She said the teens apparently got rid of the weapon before returning to the Gate station on Southside Boulevard.

The police haven't finished their investigation yet.

29 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:16:05pm

Corporate Cops and Dystopian Sci-Fi Novel come to life.

30 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:18:24pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Man accused of killing Jacksonville teen charged with second-degree murder

The police haven't finished their investigation yet.

No evidence they were going to use the weapon? They fired no shots in retaliation, but chose to drive away? But he felt obligated to fire 8-9 shots because he definitely saw a shotgun?

I call Bullshit.

31 GunstarGreen  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:19:24pm

re: #29 Holidays are Family Fun Time

Corporate Cops and Dystopian Sci-Fi Novel come to life.

I would pause to make some sort of pithy comment regarding the notion of making a profit off of imprisoning other human beings, but honestly? This country is much too far gone for that to be of any value.

32 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:20:28pm

re: #30 Holidays are Family Fun Time

No evidence they were going to use the weapon? They fired no shots in retaliation, but chose to drive away? But he felt obligated to fire 8-9 shots because he definitely saw a shotgun?

I call Bullshit.

Possibly. The teens may have had a gun and ditched it. They may have tried to be intimidating and brandished something that looked like a gun. Or the guy might be completely full of shit and made up the story. Anything is possible.

33 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:23:04pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Possibly. The teens may have had a gun and ditched it. They may have tried to be intimidating and brandished something that looked like a gun. Or the guy might be completely full of shit and made up the story. Anything is possible.

WIth out the firearm with fingerprints, it is his word against theirs. No bullets discharged either.

I hope beyond hope the kid's parents find a good lawyer and sue him in civil court.

34 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:23:21pm

re: #9 darthstar

The fact that he shot 8 or 9 rounds into the car leads me to believe SYG won't stand a chance in this case.

I don't know what difference that would make, given that cops (both in real life and on TV, probably each for the same reason) routinely fire 30-40 rounds at a suspect (often getting as many as 3 or 4 rounds on-target).

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:26:48pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Jesus Christ on a Crutch, KT. You gonna claim they're marxist trust fund kids next? You sure love making excuses for anyone white killing, beating or gassing someone weaker than them. Fuck your MBF attempt at the end there.

36 Mattand  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:29:05pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Man accused of killing Jacksonville teen charged with second-degree murder

The police haven't finished their investigation yet.

Maybe we'll get lucky and the kid will have cleverly hidden a Howitzer in his baggy rap pants, thereby justifying another dead black teenager in FL.

37 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:29:10pm

re: #30 Holidays are Family Fun Time

No evidence they were going to use the weapon? They fired no shots in retaliation, but chose to drive away? But he felt obligated to fire 8-9 shots because he definitely saw a shotgun?

I call Bullshit.

[shooter's lawyer] Lemonidis has said the teens drove off after Dunn fired at them, and he fired four shots as they left to "make sure they did not fire the shotgun."

Just as he imagined he would do if ever placed in a situation like this. Although, he was disappointed that the car did not erupt into a huge exploding fireball allowing him to walk unflinchingly away from the explosion in slow motion with his sunglasses glinting under the streetlights.

38 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:31:21pm

re: #35 William Barnett-Lewis

Jesus Christ on a Crutch, KT. You gonna claim they're marxist trust fund kids next? You sure love making excuses for anyone white killing, beating or gassing someone weaker than them. Fuck your MBF attempt at the end there.

calm down, he also fully afforded the possibility that the shooter is full of shit. We gotta wait until more facts are out.

39 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:32:14pm

re: #31 GunstarGreen

I would pause to make some sort of pithy comment regarding the notion of making a profit off of imprisoning other human beings, but honestly? This country is much too far gone for that to be of any value.

Looks like you did it anyway! :)

The inner optimist peeks out!

40 Kragar  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:32:34pm

re: #37 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Just as he imagined he would do if ever placed in a situation like this. Although, he was disappointed that the car did not erupt into a huge exploding fireball allowing him to walk unflinchingly away from the explosion in slow motion with his sunglasses glinting under the streetlights.

Youtube Video
41 gwangung  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:32:59pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Possibly. The teens may have had a gun and ditched it. They may have tried to be intimidating and brandished something that looked like a gun. Or the guy might be completely full of shit and made up the story. Anything is possible.

He's sees the gun, and he goes for his own, and the kids who supposedly have their gun allow him the time to take it out, aim and shoot? And don't shoot back?

Hrm. I have a tough time swallowing that.

42 GunstarGreen  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:33:19pm

We can only hope that the presence of several more witnesses will prevent this from turning into another my-word-against-a-dead-man's quagmire like the last time SYG was invoked in that state.

43 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:34:50pm

re: #42 GunstarGreen

We can only hope that the presence of several more witnesses will prevent this from turning into another my-word-against-a-dead-man's quagmire like the last time SYG was invoked in that state.

That is the ultimate trump card in any SYG case: the trick is to make sure there are no witnesses alive who do not corroborate your story.

44 Mattand  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:35:41pm

re: #42 GunstarGreen

We can only hope that the presence of several more witnesses will prevent this from turning into another my-word-against-a-dead-man's quagmire like the last time SYG was invoked in that state.

My hope is that Americans drop this need to walk around strapped like they're fucking living in Tombstone in 1881.

45 allegro  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:37:53pm

This story screams, pissed off white guy goes out armed looking for a confrontation. Creates one, kills a kid, then claims victimhood.

Not even original.

46 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:37:59pm

re: #44 Mattand

My hope is that Americans drop this need to walk around strapped like they're fucking living in Tombstone in 1881.

To many, Tombstone 1881 represents the kind of America they want to return to.

47 erik_t  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:38:26pm

re: #41 gwangung

He's sees the gun, and he goes for his own, and the kids who supposedly have their gun allow him the time to take it out, aim and shoot? And don't shoot back?

Hrm. I have a tough time swallowing that.

Maybe they're not insane and bloodthirsty enough to shoot a man in cold blood over an argument about a fucking stereo, and figured that if teenagers were this mature then surely a forty-year-old man would be.

/

48 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:39:56pm

re: #42 GunstarGreen

We can only hope that the presence of several more witnesses will prevent this from turning into another my-word-against-a-dead-man's quagmire like the last time SYG was invoked in that state.

True, Convenince Store probably has a parking lot camera.

49 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:43:46pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Possibly. The teens may have had a gun and ditched it. They may have tried to be intimidating and brandished something that looked like a gun. Or the guy might be completely full of shit and made up the story. Anything is possible.

Michael Dunn said nothing about them having a weapon. All he said was he "heard" a threat and then proceeded to empty a clip into the car resulting in the murder of Jordan Davis. The other two in the car could have easily be been murdered by this nut. The shooter and his girlfriend then drove back the the hotel they were staying. They then drove back home in Satellite Beach, Florida and he finally turned himself in to the police. He's being held without bond on a second degree murder charge.

50 GunstarGreen  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:44:09pm

re: #44 Mattand

My hope is that Americans drop this need to walk around strapped like they fucking living in Tombstone in 1881.

It will never happen.

So I live in a deep southern state. A few months back I was coming back from a family get-together at my aunt's home, and my vehicle finally gave up the ghost (FORD: Fix Or Replace Daily) and left me on the side of the interstate. Now this particular stretch of interstate is literally right next to where I grew up as a kid, in an area of town I know very well and have walked through many times. After waiting about half an hour or so to see if anyone might stop and let me use their phone (this was the incident that finally convinced me to get a pay-as-you-go mobile, if only to get my parents to finally shut up about it), I started walking for the exit about half a mile back so I could hit up a convenience store and use their phone. Somebody finally did stop once I was walking, borrowed their phone for a moment to call the 'rents and get them to come take a look at it before calling a wrecker (electrical problems and my father used to be a professional electrician).

The earful I got about how "it wasn't safe" lasted for literal days. A grown man in what practically used to be his own neighborhood, being told how "that's not a safe place to be".

It wasn't worth getting into the argument at the time, but I knew exactly what they meant by "not safe". I knew it from years of listening to my grandmother (father's mother) make casual complaints to the same effect, and my father in like kind.

"Not safe" really means "not white enough".

And a little under half of the country feels "not safe" practically everywhere in the modern day.

51 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:44:56pm

The parallels between this shooting and the Martin/Zimmerman case are shockingly similar, with similar results: White male goes armed out in public, sees "threatening" young black male(s) minding their own damn business leaving/at a convenience store, and ends with said young black male dead at the end of said white male's gun and said white male saying that they felt "threatened" and cites Florida's SYG law and "self-defense" as their out.

Just like with Zimmerman, I think Dunn went armed itching for some sort of a confrontation and an excuse to pull his gun on someone he could use for live target practice.

There may be little hope that Zimmerman will receive his full measure of justice for what he did, but Dunn was stupid enough that he should go to prison for (hopefully) the rest of his life.

52 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:46:09pm

re: #49 Gus

Michael Dunn said nothing about them having a weapon. All he said was he "heard" a threat and then proceeded to empty a clip into the car resulting in the murder of Jordan Davis. The other two in the car could have easily be been murdered by this nut. The shooter and his girlfriend then drove back the the hotel they were staying. They then drove back home in Satellite Beach, Florida and he finally turned himself in to the police. He's being held without bond on a second degree murder charge.

That's not what he's claiming

Dunn’s attorney, Robin Lemonidis of Melbourne, stated her client “absolutely” saw someone with a shotgun in the red sport-utility vehicle next to his car at the convenience store that night.

Read more at Jacksonville.com: [Link: jacksonville.com...]
He might be full of shit but there's a big difference between the claim of hearing a threat and seeing a shotgun.

53 Gus  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:47:06pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

That's not what he's claiming

Read more at Jacksonville.com: [Link: jacksonville.com...]
He might be full of shit but there's a big difference between the claim of hearing a threat and seeing a shotgun.

Ah, whatever. You fucking make me sick.

54 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:49:21pm

One small detail that isn't covered in the links that have been provided so far:

Dunn left the scene of the shooting, and wasn't arrested until after witnesses wrote down his license plate number and law enforcement tracked him down to his home.

[Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]

Dunn's girlfriend and the driver of Jordan's vehicle were in Gate Food Post, 8251 Southside Blvd., when the shooting happened. Dunn and his girlfriend took off afterward, and witnesses jotted down their tag number, deputies said.

They were staying in a Jacksonville hotel when they heard a news report Saturday morning indicating someone had died in the shooting, deputies said. They then returned to Brevard.

Dunn, a gun collector, was arrested Saturday at his home in Satellite Beach on charges of murder and attempted murder. He was being held without bail.

55 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:50:55pm

re: #9 darthstar

Apparently. It'll be interesting to see what this does to the SYG laws there and efforts to fix it so assholes can't just travel around the state feeling threatened.

The fact that he shot 8 or 9 rounds into the car leads me to believe SYG won't stand a chance in this case.

Agreed. This sounds more like a yahoo who got pissed and decided he'd rather kill someone than walk away. This guy's case is actually much weaker than that of George Zimmerman.

56 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:51:11pm

re: #54 RadicalModerate

One small detail that isn't covered in the links that have been provided so far:

Dunn left the scene of the shooting, and wasn't arrested until after witnesses wrote down his license plate number and law enforcement tracked him down to his home.

[Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]

I think that's the biggest indicator that he's full of shit. They fled so the threat was gone. Instead of calling the cops after discharging his weapon in public he took off. It doesn't look good for him.

57 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:54:05pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

I think that's the biggest indicator that he's full of shit. They fled so the threat was gone. Instead of calling the cops after discharging his weapon in public he took off. It doesn't look good for him.

And it shouldn't, because he's a murdering fuckwad.

Just like Zimmerman.

Unfortunately, Zimmerman knew how the law was written and (so far) has worked it to his advantage (combined with the fact that elements of the Sanford PD and the DA's office didn't [or couldn't] do their fucking jobs in the immediate aftermath); Dunn, not so much.

58 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:54:39pm

re: #54 RadicalModerate

One small detail that isn't covered in the links that have been provided so far:

Dunn left the scene of the shooting, and wasn't arrested until after witnesses wrote down his license plate number and law enforcement tracked him down to his home.

[Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]

And that will hurt him, as SYG doesn't prohibit the normal claim by prosecutors that "flight equals guilt".

59 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:57:18pm

re: #57 TedStriker

And it shouldn't, because he's a murdering fuckwad.

Just like Zimmerman.

That's really a reach when it comes to Zimmerman. When the evidence is presented he may well turn out to have been justified. And even if his actions were criminal, they were manslaughter, not murder.

But be that as it may, this fellow's case is weaker since he fled the scene, which Zimmerman did not do.

60 TedStriker  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 12:57:42pm

...

61 Mattand  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 1:14:16pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

That's really a reach when it comes to Zimmerman. When the evidence is presented he may well turn out to have been justified. And even if his actions were criminal, they were manslaughter, not murder.

But be that as it may, this fellow's case is weaker since he fled the scene, which Zimmerman did not do.

Zimmerman and Dunn are exactly the same. Two armed troglydytes who murdered a black teenager.

The only difference is that Zimmerman made sure there were no witnesses to his crime, making it easier for people to go "Well, maybe the scary black teenager did deserve to be murdered in cold blood. He was wearing a hoodie, after all."

62 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 1:14:25pm

re: #50 GunstarGreen

It will never happen.

So I live in a deep southern state. A few months back I was coming back from a family get-together at my aunt's home, and my vehicle finally gave up the ghost (FORD: Fix Or Replace Daily) and left me on the side of the interstate. Now this particular stretch of interstate is literally right next to where I grew up as a kid, in an area of town I know very well and have walked through many times. After waiting about half an hour or so to see if anyone might stop and let me use their phone (this was the incident that finally convinced me to get a pay-as-you-go mobile, if only to get my parents to finally shut up about it), I started walking for the exit about half a mile back so I could hit up a convenience store and use their phone. Somebody finally did stop once I was walking, borrowed their phone for a moment to call the 'rents and get them to come take a look at it before calling a wrecker (electrical problems and my father used to be a professional electrician).

The earful I got about how "it wasn't safe" lasted for literal days. A grown man in what practically used to be his own neighborhood, being told how "that's not a safe place to be".

It wasn't worth getting into the argument at the time, but I knew exactly what they meant by "not safe". I knew it from years of listening to my grandmother (father's mother) make casual complaints to the same effect, and my father in like kind.

"Not safe" really means "not white enough".

And a little under half of the country feels "not safe" practically everywhere in the modern day.

I've heard the saying "It's a bid dark there."

*spit*

63 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 1:15:26pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

That's not what he's claiming

Read more at Jacksonville.com: [Link: jacksonville.com...]
He might be full of shit but there's a big difference between the claim of hearing a threat and seeing a shotgun.

There is a big difference between

seeing

a shot gun and having someone pick-it up and point it at you.

64 Mattand  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 1:15:34pm

re: #50 GunstarGreen

It will never happen.

So I live in a deep southern state. A few months back I was coming back from a family get-together at my aunt's home, and my vehicle finally gave up the ghost (FORD: Fix Or Replace Daily) and left me on the side of the interstate. Now this particular stretch of interstate is literally right next to where I grew up as a kid, in an area of town I know very well and have walked through many times. After waiting about half an hour or so to see if anyone might stop and let me use their phone (this was the incident that finally convinced me to get a pay-as-you-go mobile, if only to get my parents to finally shut up about it), I started walking for the exit about half a mile back so I could hit up a convenience store and use their phone. Somebody finally did stop once I was walking, borrowed their phone for a moment to call the 'rents and get them to come take a look at it before calling a wrecker (electrical problems and my father used to be a professional electrician).

The earful I got about how "it wasn't safe" lasted for literal days. A grown man in what practically used to be his own neighborhood, being told how "that's not a safe place to be".

It wasn't worth getting into the argument at the time, but I knew exactly what they meant by "not safe". I knew it from years of listening to my grandmother (father's mother) make casual complaints to the same effect, and my father in like kind.

"Not safe" really means "not white enough".

And a little under half of the country feels "not safe" practically everywhere in the modern day.

To be honest, things aren't all that different in New Jersey, either.

65 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 1:15:58pm

re: #54 RadicalModerate

One small detail that isn't covered in the links that have been provided so far:

Dunn left the scene of the shooting, and wasn't arrested until after witnesses wrote down his license plate number and law enforcement tracked him down to his home.

[Link: www.orlandosentinel.com...]

Leaving the scene could be a felony in and of itself.

66 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 28, 2012 2:55:50pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Man accused of killing Jacksonville teen charged with second-degree murder

The police haven't finished their investigation yet.

Heh. If that's his defense, he's fucking screwed. Firing shots at them as they drive away? Not to mention the presence of a weapon isn't obviously excuse to open fire, or every guy carrying a weapon would be shootable.

I can't believe that's his own defense attorney saying that shit.


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