1 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:14:00pm

Just remember, when a wingnut does go and shoot someone, its either a false flag operation or because of a video game. Beck, Jones, Limbaugh, and the rest had nothing to do with it.

2 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:15:08pm

Civil and war. Some words just don’t belong together.

3 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:16:24pm
“A fight is coming one way or another.”

“One of you crazies go shoot someone who’s wrong.
Cause I’ve got a show to run.”

4 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:18:19pm

Glenn fantasizes about a fight but you know he’d hide like a coward the second any real fighting began because he’s just a nutcase catering to people who actually would. Fuck him.

5 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:19:14pm
“Now I know this sounds a little like the way the Jews went to the gas chambers.”

Asshole.

6 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:20:08pm

2013 1953

7 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:20:18pm

He yearns for Civil War? Who am I to argue?

Youtube Video

//

8 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:20:38pm

re: #5 jaunte

Asshole.

Again. I give up.

9 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:21:16pm

re: #1 Kragar

Just remember, when a wingnut does go and shoot someone again, its either a false flag operation or because of a video game. Beck, Jones, Limbaugh, and the rest had nothing to do with it.

Sovereign citizens eat up this paranoid fuckery, then shoot cops.

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:21:25pm

re: #5 jaunte

Asshole.

Really, how does he seriously claim to be a friend of the Jewish people when he spouts crap like that? I know I’m not Jewish so I can’t specifically comment but his attempts to make himself out to be close to the victims of the Holocaust is something I find disgusting. He’s just a guy who doesn’t like the government the way it is now. Big fucking deal. I wouldn’t like it if his ideal person was in power but I wouldn’t act like I was a Jew in occupied Europe either.

11 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:21:42pm

re: #2 abolitionist

Civil and war. Some words just don’t belong together.

Like professional and sports

Compassionate and Conservative

Home and School

12 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:22:08pm

re: #11 Kragar

Like professional and sports

Compassionate and Conservative

Home and School

common sense and conservative?

13 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:22:56pm

re: #11 Kragar

Like professional and sports

Compassionate and Conservative

Home and School

Military intelligence?

14 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:23:29pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing the way he manages to be both vicious and hysterical.

15 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:24:48pm

I can’t understand why Al Gore didn’t want to sell his TV channel to this guy!

Have to say, I am pretty sure Dr. Martin Luther King (whose name and image Beck invokes habitually) would not have been cool with Beck calling the first black president of the United States a racist…but that is strictly my opinion.

16 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:25:22pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Really, how does he seriously claim to be a friend of the Jewish people when he spouts crap like that? I know I’m not Jewish so I can’t specifically comment but his attempts to make himself out to be close to the victims of the Holocaust is something I find disgusting. He’s just a guy who doesn’t like the government the way it is now. Big fucking deal. I wouldn’t like it if his ideal person was in power but I wouldn’t act like I was a Jew in occupied Europe either.

He’s protecting “real” Jews from The Wrong Kind Of Jews, like George Soros and his Bolshevik banker cabal that secretly dominate the world through financial institutions.

What’s so hard to understand?

17 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:25:48pm

re: #14 jaunte

It’s amazing the way he manages to be both vicious and hysterical.

What he does makes light of how evil the real Nazis were. That’s what angers me the most about what he does. He just says “Oh, they’re like the Nazis”, ignoring that the Third Reich was one of the worst regimes in history. That if someone like him was even doing a fraction of what he does in this society during Germany 1933-1945, they’d either be dead or in a camp.

18 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:26:52pm

re: #16 The Ghost of a Flea

He’s protecting “real” Jews from The Wrong Kind Of Jews, like George Soros and his Bolshevik banker cabal that secretly dominate the world through financial institutions.

What’s so hard to understand?

Nothing, it just pisses me off to see the Prime Minister of Israel treat him like he actually cares about the Jewish people when he clearly just sees them as a political tool to attack Obama and the left rather than genuine friends. As a human being, I find that disgusting.

19 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:27:28pm

Glenn Beck is a dangerous lunatic.

20 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:27:56pm

re: #15 bratwurst

I can’t understand why Al Gore didn’t want to sell his TV channel to this guy!

Have to say, I am pretty sure Dr. Martin Luther King (whose name and image Beck invokes habitually) would not have been cool with Beck calling the first black president of the United States a racist…but that is strictly my opinion.

If Beck were around in MLK’s time, he’d be calling him a racist. I have no doubt about that whatsoever. An actual black socialist and anti war activist. Beck would be having a field day if MLK were around today and so would the other right wing nutjobs.

21 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:28:46pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

common sense and conservative?

Rational and liberal.

22 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:28:53pm

Re-posted from downstairs. I was talking about Jonah Goldberg, but it could apply to any of these jabbering freaks.

(Insert jabbering freak’s name) wouldn’t fight anyone. He’s just another pampered right wing hack who gets picked up by a car to take him where he needs to go, he spends his time having lackeys bring him water in the Green Room, and he never encounters those people whom he so glibly insults on the regular.

That’s the problem with these assholes. They live an insular life where everyone they encounter agrees with every word of bullshit they spew, and in that type of environment it becomes really easy to talk about how your opponents should be beaten. After all, he’s the ‘talent’ and his ‘opinions’ are facile enough to get his mug on TV every week. Who’s gonna dare to disagree with him?

In the world that Beck and Goldberg and freaks like them live, it’s easy to rhapsodize about civil war or beating liberals, because they live in a world without consequence. If some impressionable moron takes their words to heart and attacks or kills someone, they feel no blowback whatsoever.

23 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:28:58pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Nothing, it just pisses me off to see the Prime Minister of Israel treat him like he actually cares about the Jewish people when he clearly just sees them as a political tool to attack Obama and the left rather than genuine friends. As a human being, I find that disgusting.

eh. There should have been a // at the end of what I wrote.

24 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:29:22pm
25 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:29:38pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Rational and liberal.

Heh. Come on, you knew that was coming because how many times have we heard about a “common sense conservative” who is neither.

26 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:30:43pm

re: #24 Gus

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Note to Steve Stockman, you wouldn’t be elected if you were in a regime where the head of state was like Saddam Hussein. You’d be dead, being tortured, in prison, or exiled. You certainly wouldn’t be an elected official.

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:32:09pm

re: #23 The Ghost of a Flea

eh. There should have been a // at the end of what I wrote.

Oh I got what you were saying. I’ve seen what you’re talking about from Bill Donahue of the Catholic League. Just frustrating, you know?

28 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:32:26pm

re: #24 Gus

Stockman, the creature from the planet Gerrymander:
[Link: lonestarpolitics.wordpress.com…]

29 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:33:47pm

re: #28 jaunte

Stockman, the creature from the planet Gerrymander:
[Link: lonestarpolitics.wordpress.com…]

I believe Texas style in that case Tom Delay redistricting is how we got Louie Gohmert too. What a wonderful world.

30 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:34:31pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Rational and liberal.

Funny and conservative.

31 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:35:35pm

re: #30 The Ghost of a Flea

Funny and conservative.

Heh I kind of asked for that when I made the conservative and common sense jab.

32 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:35:35pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

Military intelligence?

Microsoft works.

33 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:35:45pm

re: #28 jaunte

Stockman, the creature from the planet Gerrymander:
[Link: lonestarpolitics.wordpress.com…]

GOP Embraces Nuclear Gerrymandering

34 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:37:36pm

Glen Beck’s many years of drug abuse affected his brain’s ability to process information. Which makes him a perfect spokesman for the right wing.

35 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:38:46pm

re: #33 Kragar

GOP Embraces Nuclear Gerrymandering

And remind me how it’s Obama that’s trying to radically change America because of his own petty anger? Really, changing the way EVs are awarded just reeks of sour grapes and I hope if somehow they succeed at it, it ends up biting them in the ass later and we can say “Hey you wanted it.” Funny how they never had a problem with the status quo when they had candidates that weren’t shitty like McCain and Romney.

36 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:39:04pm

Don’t know if this has been posted previously, but this is a must-see chart that really concretizes the extremism of the Republican Party (I found it linked originally at Sam Wang’s blog - click to embiggen):

[Link: xkcd.com…]

37 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:40:40pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior


38 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:41:24pm

re: #36 Talking Point Detective

Don’t know if this has been posted previously, but this is a must-see chart that really concretizes the extremism of the Republican Party (I found it linked originally at Sam Wang’s blog - click to embiggen):

[Link: xkcd.com…]

Far right is larger than right. Not shocking unfortunately. It’s not even about moderates being replaced by rightists really. It’s about unhinged replacing those with some sanity. Good example of that is Lugar who could easily be called a conservative and a member of the right being primaried out by a far rightist.

39 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:41:28pm

So weird.

40 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:41:57pm

re: #37 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Thanks. I had actually forgot about her even though I’ve been watching 30 Rock on Netflix.

41 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:42:25pm

re: #37 jaunte

[Embedded content]

You can do all things through Christ.

Except gay marriage, get adequate healthcare or get rich people to pay taxes.

42 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:43:22pm

re: #41 Kragar

Maybe he can talk her into it.

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:43:54pm

re: #41 Kragar

You can do all things through Christ.

Except gay marriage, get adequate healthcare or get rich people to pay taxes.

or social justice. Social justice is Nazism according to the Beckster. Yeah because when people think of Nazis, they think of people who helped the less fortunate improve their lot and not a bunch of mass genocidal murderers. And besides, someone like Beck would have been sympathetic to fascism because he’d like the anti-communist rhetoric.

44 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:48:11pm

re: #28 jaunte

Stockman, the creature from the planet Gerrymander:
[Link: lonestarpolitics.wordpress.com…]

Him and a number of Illinois Dems. I hate gerrymandering and you really don’t hate as much as you or I do until it gets done blatantly in your state.

45 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:49:38pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Far right is larger than right. Not shocking unfortunately. It’s not even about moderates being replaced by rightists really. It’s about unhinged replacing those with some sanity. Good example of that is Lugar who could easily be called a conservative and a member of the right being primaried out by a far rightist.

Well - the good side is that there is a strong possibility that this trend will only serve to further marginalize the Republican Party - in particular given the prevailing demographic trends. But that’s only if you look at the country as a whole, and it doesn’t take into account the fallout from this regional extremism on those unfortunate enough to live in areas predominate by extremists. Along those lines, a good analysis that blows up the myth of the balancing out of gerrrymandering:

[Link: election.princeton.edu…]

And a post on the disenfranchisement created by gerrymandering:

[Link: election.princeton.edu…]

46 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:51:30pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

And remind me how it’s Obama that’s trying to radically change America because of his own petty anger? Really, changing the way EVs are awarded just reeks of sour grapes and I hope if somehow they succeed at it, it ends up biting them in the ass later and we can say “Hey you wanted it.” Funny how they never had a problem with the status quo when they had candidates that weren’t shitty like McCain and Romney.

It will be interesting in how they try to sell this on the national level. If they say “it’s more representative to split up the EV in each state” then the immediate response is to point out that they are only espousing it in the states that have GOP state legislature majorities that just so happen to go Democratic overall for POTUS (and often Senate) elections. If it’s such a good idea why isn’t Texas and the rest of the GOP-controlled states doing it?

47 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:52:23pm

re: #45 Talking Point Detective

Well - the good side is that there is a strong possibility that this trend will only serve to further marginalize the Republican Party - in particular given the prevailing demographic trends. But that’s only if you look at the country as a whole, and it doesn’t take into account the fallout from this regional extremism on those unfortunate enough to live in areas predominate by extremists. Along those lines, a good analysis that blows up the myth of the balancing out of gerrrymandering:

[Link: election.princeton.edu…]

And a post on the disenfranchisement created by gerrymandering:

[Link: election.princeton.edu…]

Interesting. Sounds like it’s really bad in Pennsylvania. Always wondered how PA could be so Democratic for President and usually at least competitive for Democrats in the Senate yet at the same time have such a high proportion of Republicans to Democrats in the House. We only have what you’d call two safe Dem seats in Virginia- the district that’s in Arlington and the district that makes up Richmond city. Yet there’s like four districts I’d say are totally safe Republican.

48 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:53:44pm

From an American history book about the 30s:

American fascists looked for someone or something to blame, rather than searching for viable solutions to the socioeconomic morass that plagued them. Appropriating a Neo-Jacksonan distrust of monetary institutions, people of prestige, and the role of government, they declared that the Depression was a fiendish plot hatched by Communist-Jewish “banksters” who reveled in the chaos they wrought

Some things never change, do they.

49 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:54:20pm

re: #46 Feline Fearless Leader

It will be interesting in how they try to sell this on the national level. If they say “it’s more representative to split up the EV in each state” then the immediate response is to point out that they are only espousing it in the states that have GOP state legislature majorities that just so happen to go Democratic overall for POTUS (and often Senate) elections. If it’s such a good idea why isn’t Texas and the rest of the GOP-controlled states doing it?

A good point. One I don’t think we’d get an answer on let alone a truthful one. I find the whole thing suspect. A lot of these states went for Bush once or twice and nowhere did we hear something so radical being discussed. As I said, if they succeed, I want it to backfire on them big time.I’m already giddy at the thought of Texas becoming competitive in presidential elections as that state’s demographics change.

50 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:55:02pm

re: #48 dragonath

From an American history book about the 30s:

Some things never change, do they.

Sounds like Ron Paul.

51 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:58:29pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Sounds like Ron Paul.

Joe McCarthy, the John Birch Society, Father Coughlin.

Different faces, same game.

52 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:58:45pm
53 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:58:51pm
54 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:00:26pm

re: #51 dragonath

Joe McCarthy, the John Birch Society, Father Coughlin.

Different faces, same game.

Yeah. The role of government thing is what made me think of Luap Nor but those three especially the latter two work very well. And regarding McCarthy, it’s funny to hear right wing pinheads like Bryan Fischer whine about “McCarthyism” directed at gunowners when they loved the original McCarthyism directed at people whose sole crime was having different values.

55 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:00:54pm

re: #51 dragonath

Joe McCarthy, the John Birch Society, Father Coughlin.

Different faces, same game.

Not entirely. Ron Paul is an ass, but he’s not the kind to lead a witch hunt like McCarthy did.

56 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:02:20pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

Not entirely. Ron Paul is an ass, but he’s not the kind to lead a witch hunt like McCarthy did.

He just suggests.

57 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:02:55pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

Not entirely. Ron Paul is an ass, but he’s not the kind to lead a witch hunt like McCarthy did.

I’m just glad he was never allowed to chair a committee. Goddamn, I will not miss hearing that man’s annoying voice and self righteous bullshit.

58 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:03:03pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Really, how does he seriously claim to be a friend of the Jewish people when he spouts crap like that? I know I’m not Jewish so I can’t specifically comment but his attempts to make himself out to be close to the victims of the Holocaust is something I find disgusting. He’s just a guy who doesn’t like the government the way it is now. Big fucking deal. I wouldn’t like it if his ideal person was in power but I wouldn’t act like I was a Jew in occupied Europe either.

Oh, he’s no friend!

He went to Israel to hold a nutcase rally he called “Restoring Courage” because, god knows the Jews in Israel are all cowards.

Obviously they’re civilized anyway, or he would have come home in a casket for that insult.

59 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:04:17pm

re: #58 stabby

Oh, he’s no friend!

He went to Israel to hold a nutcase rally he called “Restoring Courage” because, god knows the Jews in Israel are all cowards.

Obviously they’re civilized anyway, or he would have come home in a casket for that insult.

I didn’t say he was a friend. I said he claims to be one yet he does stuff like quote Anti-Semites like Skousen on his show. He’s an ass, something I think most people let alone most Israelis recognize.

60 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:05:01pm

Someone remind me what incredibly courageous thing Glen Beck has done that puts him head an shoulders above the people in a country with universal military service and facing genocidal hatred.

61 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:05:28pm

re: #56 Kragar

He just suggests.

No, it’s more than that. Ron Paul doesn’t possess the driving rage that Welch, McCarthy, and Coughlin had. He DERPs continually, but he does not act with the same aggression as those other men.

62 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:05:45pm

I always had the idea of penning a short story where someone like Ron Paul gets real power and gets power hungry. Really, it’s easy for Paul and the Paulians to act like he’d be nothing but benevolent but I’ve seen how intolerant Paul and his fans are of anyone who doesn’t think Ludwig Von Mises wasn’t the greatest economist ever.

63 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:06:12pm

re: #60 stabby

Someone remind me what incredibly courageous thing Glen Beck has done that puts him head an shoulders above the people in a country with universal military service and facing genocidal hatred.

He speaks truth to power!
/

snicker

64 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:06:31pm

re: #63 Kragar

He speaks truth to power!
/

snicker

I speak to John Powers sometimes. Does that count?

65 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:07:22pm

The Republican Party is the party of alcoholics.

66 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:07:46pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I always had the idea of penning a short story where someone like Ron Paul gets real power and gets power hungry. Really, it’s easy for Paul and the Paulians to act like he’d be nothing but benevolent but I’ve seen how intolerant Paul and his fans are of anyone who doesn’t think Ludwig Von Mises wasn’t the greatest economist ever.

Ron Paul Elected Ruler Of Planet Inhabited By 1 Billion Tiny Ron Pauls

In the largest political victory of his career, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) was elected Supreme Ruler of the planet of New Texas today, a remote, fiscally conservative planet populated by 1 billion tiny versions of himself.

“My people, I stand before you today to announce that I, Ron Paul of Earth, accept this position as your planet’s benevolent ruler,” said Emperor-elect Paul, smiling before millions of 18-inch-high Ron Pauls, who alternately applauded, cheered, and chanted, “You are our supreme leader,” at a victory rally held minutes after the Ron Paul News Network declared him the projected winner of the 2012 election. “From this day forth, the planet of New Texas shall be a veritable utopia for Ron Pauls of all sizes.”

Standing below the 50-foot solid-gold Ron Paul statue that adorns the city plaza of Paulville, New Texas’ capital city, Paul thanked the crowd and promised to “do right by the people of New Texas, who made the right choice at the polls today.” Ten minutes of sustained applause later, Paul took a moment to raise his campaign manager, Ron Paul CCN-14139-093, to eye level and personally thank him for “knocking this one out of the park.” Paul then thanked his wife, Carol, and their five children who, not being Ron Paul, will live in orbit around New Texas.

67 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:08:48pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

The worst part about Pennsylvania was the handful of Democrats who voted for the redistricting in return for safe seats in Philadelphia. Sometimes I wonder if Casey Sr. running to the right of most Republicans destroyed the old political equilibrium in the state.

68 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:09:42pm

re: #66 Kragar

Ron Paul Elected Ruler Of Planet Inhabited By 1 Billion Tiny Ron Pauls

I must have missed that in November. Thanks dude. Honestly, I think Rand is even worse than Ron if only the fact that we still have Rand in office and Rand is in the more powerful body and could easily take his father’s mantle for a long time. Now the positive is, he’s not his dad and some of the Paulians only worship Ronnie.

69 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:10:35pm

Lord, the few wingnuts I associate with are going nuts over news that Obama will be appearing with children tomorrow for his press conference. Apparently the idea of having children at a conference dealing with issues meant to address threats to them is taboo now. Mark that down, there will be a test later.

70 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:10:41pm

re: #67 dragonath

The worst part about Pennsylvania was the handful of Democrats who voted for the redistricting in return for safe seats in Philadelphia. Sometimes I wonder if Casey Sr. running to the right of most Republicans destroyed the old political equilibrium in the state.

I thought Casey was just to the right on social issues which was fairly common for a Democrat from his part of Pennsylvania but was otherwise in line with Dem orthodoxy.

71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:11:12pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

Lord, the few wingnuts I associate with are going nuts over news that Obama will be appearing with children tomorrow for his press conference. Apparently the idea of having children at a conference dealing with issues meant to address threats to them is taboo now. Mark that down, there will be a test later.

Remember the harassment the kid who asked Congress to support SCHIP got?

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:13:11pm

Yep, totally expecting threats to the parents of the kids appearing with the president tomorrow because ODS rules all in the mind of the wingnut.

73 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:13:21pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Remember the harassment the kid who asked Congress to support SCHIP got?

I do. I also remember when Obama made a televised speech to kids, the pearl-clutching over him beaming “propaganda” to school classrooms, with no way for parents to protect their children!!

This has become a goddamned sideshow.

74 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:13:43pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

Lord, the few wingnuts I associate with are going nuts over news that Obama will be appearing with children tomorrow for his press conference. Apparently the idea of having children at a conference dealing with issues meant to address threats to them is taboo now. Mark that down, there will be a test later.

It’s a appeal to emotion inappropriate for lawmaking. Children ought not to be used to score political points in that way, and that goes for Republicans as well.

75 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:14:45pm

Secede.

76 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:15:26pm

I’ve had it with these hillbilly idiots.

77 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:15:51pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

I do. I also remember when Obama made a televised speech to kids, the pearl-clutching over him beaming “propaganda” to school classrooms, with no way for parents to protect their children!!

This has become a goddamned sideshow.

Yeah, the Florida GOP chair who orchestrated a lot of that fauxrage has come forth with some very eyebrow raising stuff about the GOP.

78 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:16:00pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

It’s a appeal to emotion inappropriate for lawmaking. Children ought not to be used to score political points in that way, and that goes for Republicans as well.

I’d accept that if the NRA hadn’t chosen tonight to fire a shot over Obama’s bow by using his own children as pawns in their sick little campaign.

79 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:16:12pm

Open for compromise. I’ll wait. Until then, fuck these morons.

80 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:16:55pm

#TGDN

Idiots.

81 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:18:31pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

I’d accept that if the NRA hadn’t chosen tonight to fire a shot over Obama’s bow by using his own children as pawns in their sick little campaign.

They were wrong to do that as well.

82 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:18:43pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

I’d accept that if the NRA hadn’t chosen tonight to fire a shot over Obama’s bow by using his own children as pawns in their sick little campaign.

Let me blunt here, fuck the NRA.

83 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:21:36pm

Anybody watch the closing segment on the Rachel Maddow Show? It was about the way Republican state legislatures are trying to change state laws governing the election of Electoral College electors. It’s not an isolated effort. It’s being coordinated at the national level and the Republicans seem to be trying to take advantage of all the media coverage of gun control and debt ceiling stuff to sneak these laws under the radar. If these people had been successful in 2012, Barack Obama would have won the popular vote by 5 million yet lost the Presidency by about 40 electoral votes.
I posted some comments the other day about swamping the Republican Party with normal people. The idea was roundly mocked. It would seem that many people think the Republican Party is going to wither away. Well that’s a pipe dream. Thanks to gerrymandering, which will last at least through the end of the decade (until the next census), the Republicans can hold onto the House even though they lost the aggregate House voting by about a million votes. The same goes for many states. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania voted for Barack Obama, yet they are solidly red through the state house and the governor.
So how much damage do you think the Republican Party can do? If you’re not careful, a Republican President can nominate plenty of judges. I can easily imagine some of the liberal Supreme Court Justices waiting until after the 2016 election to retire. Are you sure you want to take the chance that the next President just has to be Hilary Clinton?

84 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:21:42pm

I usually don’t like kids being used in politics as well but I think this is an issue that effects kids. I mean for fuck sake. Look at the majority of the victims last month. 1st graders. And honestly maybe we do need a little appeal to emotion because here we are having been able to live past the age of six and those kids won’t get to enjoy what we have. They won’t get to enjoy life beyond six. Sorry, Sandy Hook’s emotional for me. Have a little cousin that’s in first grade and even resembles one of the victims a little. I don’t want us making rushed decisions without thinking about the consequences but I don’t think a litlte appeal to emotion is bad.

85 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:22:37pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

They were wrong to do that as well.

No, there’s no MBF moment here. The NRA didn’t just pick some random children, some high society kid who goes to a private school. They picked the daughters of the President of the United States to use against him, all but painted targets on their backs, and they did it for the purpose of driving up animosity towards the man. Obama choosing to appear on stage with children, all of whom will no doubt be subject to similar threats before the week is over, does not begin to compare to that.

86 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:22:57pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Yeah, pretty much, but keep in mind the Senators when he was first elected were John Heinz and Arlen Specter- people who were hardly social conservatives.

Another thing to keep in mind about Pennsylvania is that it still has a lot of commonsense government programs that moderate the worst instincts of the Republicans. I think the elimination (or privatization) of these programs is Corbett’s long game, but it’s about to get a lot harder for him after the statewide offices were swept by the Democrats in this last election.

87 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:23:25pm
I posted some comments the other day about swamping the Republican Party with normal people. The idea was roundly mocked. It would seem that many people think the Republican Party is going to wither away. Well that’s a pipe dream. Thanks to gerrymandering, which will last at least through the end of the decade (until the next census), the Republicans can hold onto the House even though they lost the aggregate House voting by about a million votes. The same goes for many states. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania voted for Barack Obama, yet they are solidly red through the state house and the governor.

Clearly the bulletproof strategy is to join the party whose leadership is openly contemplating defrauding voters and asking nicely that they don’t.

88 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:25:55pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

Lord, the few wingnuts I associate with are going nuts over news that Obama will be appearing with children tomorrow for his press conference. Apparently the idea of having children at a conference dealing with issues meant to address threats to them is taboo now. Mark that down, there will be a test later.

What kind of politician brings a bunch of kids on stage when talking about an issue?

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89 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:26:41pm

re: #86 dragonath

Yeah, pretty much, but keep in mind the Senators when he was first elected were John Heinz and Arlen Specter- people who were hardly social conservatives.

Another thing to keep in mind about Pennsylvania is that it still has a lot of commonsense government programs that moderate the worst instincts of the Republicans. I think the elimination (or privatization) of these programs is Corbett’s long game, but it’s about to get a lot harder for him after the statewide offices were swept by the Democrats in this last election.

Yeah, I remember thinking PA was unique in that regard that they would elect pro choice Republicans but pro life Democrats. I hope Crobett’s game gets harder for him. Did not hear that about the statewide offices. That’s good. My aunt lives in Pennsylvania and has been in some financial trouble lately. Eliminating some key social programs could really hurt people like her.

90 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:26:49pm

re: 86 dragonrath

The PA State house is still 109-91 in favor of the Republicans. Swept my ass.

91 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:27:11pm

re: #88 Kragar

What kind of politician brings a bunch of kids on stage when talking about an issue?

Image: 1.jpg

I’m sure you could find an image of every president doing this. The outrage over this is stupid.

92 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:28:39pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

The outrage over this is stupid.

It hasn’t let up since 2007

93 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:28:40pm

I just wish the Democrats had someone better to run against Cuccinnelli than Terry McAullife. I’ll vote for him but man I wish there were better choices.

94 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:29:16pm

re: #92 Kragar

It hasn’t let up since 2007

Yeah. Obama’s crime is being president in the eyes of many. How dare he.

95 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:29:41pm

re: #90 SteveMcG

re: 86 dragonrath

The PA State house is still 109-91 in favor of the Republicans. Swept my ass.

Statewide offices. Attorney General, Treasury and Auditor General. The Republican AG that was in these positions before this election was a pliable Corbett crony.

96 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:30:22pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Yeah. Obama’s crime is being president in the eyes of many. How dare he.

Image: obama-combo-breaker.jpg

97 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:31:14pm

re: #96 Kragar

Image: obama-combo-breaker.jpg

Well they do call him THE KENYAN in anger for a reason and it’s not because they are impressed that a son of a Kenyan immigrant became president.

98 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:31:38pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

No, there’s no MBF moment here. The NRA didn’t just pick some random children, some high society kid who goes to a private school. They picked the daughters of the President of the United States to use against him, all but painted targets on their backs, and they did it for the purpose of driving up animosity towards the man. Obama choosing to appear on stage with children, all of whom will no doubt be subject to similar threats before the week is over, does not begin to compare to that.

The other, other non-MBF part of it being that the NRA are claiming that Obama is an elitist who doesn’t care if anyone else’s kids die.

99 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:32:09pm

re: 95 dragonrath

Which would you rather have under your control? The legislature, or the Attorney General? I forget whether Corbett is in his first or second term, but I don’t know who’s available to run against him. Oh, and BTW, voter ID will be enforced next time.

100 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:34:00pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

The other, other non-MBF part of it being that the NRA are claiming that Obama is an elitist who doesn’t care if anyone else’s kids die.

As I said, they can go fuck themselves. Miserable bastards.

101 thecommodore  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:36:14pm

If some deranged wingnut acted out in the way Beck is strongly sugggested people will, I would only blame the wingnut for what happened. But I would also hope Glenn Beck would be able to look himself in the mirror (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and all the wingnut talk show hosts around the country who parrot them, and who are parroted by them), and say, “What have I done???”

102 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:37:23pm

re: #101 thecommodore

Who are you kidding? They will just claim the maniac was a closet lefty.

103 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:38:29pm

re: #99 SteveMcG

Both, obviously- but the Democrats can’t afford to be defeatist about it now. At the very least, Democratic control of those offices will hopefully lead to more honest auditing of Corbett’s corrupt management.

104 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:40:02pm

re: #102 SteveMcG

Who are you kidding? They will just claim the maniac was a closet lefty.

What else is new? Those guys live by the no true Scotsman or in this hypothetical no true conservative mantra.

105 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:42:01pm

re: #103 dragonath

Both, obviously- but the Democrats can’t afford to be defeatist about it now. At the very least, Democratic control of those offices will hopefully lead to more honest auditing of Corbett’s corrupt management.

That’s so adorable. You think there’s going to be a wave of indignation that will cause a shitload of people in the gerrymandered state districts to vote for a bunch of socialists because some democrat ran a political prosecution of the governor. Count me unconvinced.

106 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:42:49pm

re: #102 SteveMcG

Who are you kidding? They will just claim the maniac was a closet lefty.

…yet again.

I still pissed that everybody got conned into imagining the Unabomber was some kind of liberal eco-terrorist.

107 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:44:13pm

re: #106 The Ghost of a Flea

…yet again.

I still pissed that everybody got conned into imagining the Unabomber was some kind of liberal eco-terrorist.

From the people who brought you liberal fascism. I’m honestly shocked that they never made Eric Rudolph out to be a lefty.

108 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:49:08pm

re: #105 SteveMcG

That’s so adorable. You think there’s going to be a wave of indignation that will cause a shitload of people in the gerrymandered state districts to vote for a bunch of socialists because some democrat ran a political prosecution of the governor. Count me unconvinced.

Yeah, okay. If I told you Republicans were going to win every House election for the next 20 years would that make you feel any better?

109 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:49:29pm

I’m listening to Ed Meese, Who whom I used to respect, talk about an Executive Order controlling guns as being an impeachable offense. Doesn’t the President have to first break a law to get impeached?

110 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:51:24pm

re: #109 SteveMcG

I’m listening to Ed Meese, Who I used to respect, talk about an Executive Order controlling guns as being an impeachable offense. Doesn’t the President have to first break a law to get impeached?

Yeah I think Meese missed the whole “high crimes and misdemeanors” part of the Constitution. Not “The president does a policy I dislike” because otherwise Meese’s boss and 39 presidents before him could have been impeached.

111 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:51:36pm

re: #108 dragonath

I don’t think you’re trying very hard. If the Republicans can hold the legislature, which they have a pretty tight grip on, they’d be happy to spot you the Auditor General, the AG, and so on.

112 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:51:37pm

re: #109 SteveMcG

I’m listening to Ed Meese, Who I used to respect, talk about an Executive Order controlling guns as being an impeachable offense. Doesn’t the President have to first break a law to get impeached?

What are you? A Commie?

113 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:52:37pm

I’m worse than a commie. I wear glasses. I’m an intellectual.

114 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:52:56pm

Good Night, All.

115 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:53:28pm


116 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:56:57pm

re: #113 SteveMcG

I’m worse than a commie. I wear glasses. I’m an intellectual.

Oh, dead man walking.

117 Tigger2  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:57:15pm

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

Clearly the bulletproof strategy is to join the party whose leadership is openly contemplating defrauding voters and asking nicely that they don’t.

I would like to see a spreading out of the people in the cites into the red districts to even them out, but I know that wont happen.

118 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:01:06pm

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

Clearly the bulletproof strategy is to join the party whose leadership is openly contemplating defrauding voters and asking nicely that they don’t.

How about that, I missed that post. What is the matter with some of you guys? I didn’t say anything at all about “asking nicely that they don’t”. You sure you’re not a closet Republican, just making shit up? I’m talking about swamping the party and primarying these clowns from the left.

119 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:41:57pm

If you are holding onto the slim hope that Netanyahu and his allies will not dominate the upcoming Israeli election, I offer a tiny bit of good news. A man who played a role in Mitt Romney’s sound defeat last year is getting involved:

Youtube Video
120 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:00:45am

Tonights 40k Trivia:

Chaplains

A Chaplain is a specialist officer of the Adeptus Astartes and serves as the appointed spiritual leader of a Space Marine Chapter. Chaplains are the warrior-priests that minister to the spiritual well-being of their fellow Battle-Brothers, instilling in them the values and beliefs of the Chapter and promote the veneration or in rarer cases the actual worship of the Emperor of Mankind. Chaplains lead from the front as awe-inspiring warrior-priests, fighting wherever the foe is most fierce, leading his brethren and praising the Emperor through the destruction of His enemies. Rejoicing in the glorious act of war, Chaplains exhort their Battle-Brothers to ever greater deeds of bravery and devotion.

In battle, the Chaplains will be at the forefront of the Chapter’s battlelines, rousing their fellow Space Marines through their words and actions. Their Power Armour is black and often incorporates Imperial skull iconography, most commonly in the form of a skull-shaped helmet. Most Chaplains wield a Power Weapon that takes the form of a mace and is called a Crozius Arcanum. They are also equipped with an Imperial holy symbol known as a Rosarius. Individual Chaplains are assigned to each company within a Space Marine Chapter. Others, including the Reclusiarch who cares for the Chapter’s sacred Reclusiam and the Master of Sanctity who is the chief Chaplain of a Chapter and an officer whose rank is usually subordinate only to that of the Chapter Master himself, operate within the Chapter’s command structure independent of any specific company. A Chaplain is fanatically loyal to his Chapter and to the Emperor, and works to instill a similar devotion in his fellow Astartes.

121 efuseakay  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:08:35am

Anyone else check their respective smartphone app stores? The NRA, who blames video games for violence, has released a video game where you shoot a whole bunch of guns at targets. What a joke

122 efuseakay  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:11:07am

re: #119 bratwurst

If you are holding onto the slim hope that Netanyahu and his allies will not dominate the upcoming Israeli election, I offer a tiny bit of good news. A man who played a role in Mitt Romney’s sound defeat last year is getting involved:

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So a certain Obama pick for a certain important government position wasn’t too far off with his “Israeli lobby” comment he made all those years ago after all…

123 sagehen  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:21:59am

re: #46 Feline Fearless Leader

It will be interesting in how they try to sell this on the national level. If they say “it’s more representative to split up the EV in each state” then the immediate response is to point out that they are only espousing it in the states that have GOP state legislature majorities that just so happen to go Democratic overall for POTUS (and often Senate) elections. If it’s such a good idea why isn’t Texas and the rest of the GOP-controlled states doing it?

Even without gerrymandering, even if congressional districts were drawn entirely fairly, if they split EV’s like this everywhere, it would still advantage the conservatives — other than Rhode Island, all the states with only 1 congressional district would have their three EV’s go R. It’s the states with big cities (i.e. the blue states) that would have their power diluted.

If Cali instead of 55 blue was 33 blue and 22 red, if NY instead of 29 blue were 18 blue and 11 red…

124 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:35:47am

re: #2 abolitionist

Civil and war. Some words just don’t belong together.

“War Between the States” does not nail it down either, it is more the “War Between the Federal Government and Small Groups of Renegade Self-Proclaimed Sovereign Citizens”

125 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:49:53am

re: #124 Sol Berdinowitz

“War Between the States” does not nail it down either, it is more the “War Between the Federal Government and Small Groups of Renegade Self-Proclaimed Sovereign Citizens”

Neo Confederates.

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:52:28am

We are not dealing with states here, we are dealing with the notion that every US citizen is free to interpret the Constitution as they see fit, and if they disagree with the Federal Government, then they have the right to take up arms to defend whatever pea-brained, bigoted interpretation of the Constitution they currently hold.

127 Shvaughn  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:57:18am

re: #78 Targetpractice

I’d accept that if the NRA hadn’t chosen tonight to fire a shot over Obama’s bow by using his own children as pawns in their sick little campaign.

What’s this about? I must have missed it.

128 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 2:00:12am

For chrissakes, it is accepted that the President’s family is to be protected by armed guards, that is part of the office.

It is not accepted - nor do most Americans find it acceptable - that all children everywhere need to be protected by armed guards.

129 Shvaughn  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 2:18:22am

re: #127 Shvaughn

What’s this about? I must have missed it.

Oh, I found it. God they’re vile.

130 Lancelot Link  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 2:18:54am

re: #101 thecommodore

If some deranged wingnut acted out in the way Beck is strongly sugggested people will, I would only blame the wingnut for what happened. But I would also hope Glenn Beck would be able to look himself in the mirror (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and all the wingnut talk show hosts around the country who parrot them, and who are parroted by them), and say, “What have I done???”

We already know he won’t; we can just look at the last couple times that happened.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

131 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 2:22:23am

They provoked us into provoking them!!!

132 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 3:19:31am

re: #128 Sol Berdinowitz

For chrissakes, it is accepted that the President’s family is to be protected by armed guards, that is part of the office.

The rightwingers want to get rid of that protection for the President, by requiring all people (including law enforcement, Secret Service and military personnel) protecting the White House to be unarmed.

[Link: petitions.whitehouse.gov…]

133 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 3:22:49am

Checking around the gun sites this morning, I see that even traditional manual action guns are in short supply and command premium prices, at least compared to a few months ago. They are in not in such short supply as semi-automatics, which have virtually disappeared, but they are obviously included in the current buying panic.
This means that a fair number of people believe it is likely that even, for example, bold action rifles and revolvers will be severely restricted in the near future; likely enough that they are willing to plunk down some real money for them at any rate. At the risk of belaboring the obvious, this is the product of paranoid fantasy and misinformation since no member of Congress, and certainly nobody in the administration, has proposed such a ban.

134 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 4:02:59am

re: #132 RadicalModerate

The rightwingers want to get rid of that protection for the President, by requiring all people (including law enforcement, Secret Service and military personnel) protecting the White House to be unarmed.

[Link: petitions.whitehouse.gov…]

Because they are into political posturing. Again, it is accepted that the President and his family should be protected by armed guards.

It is not accepted - nor is it acceptable to most Americans - that all schoolchildren should at all times be protected by armed guards.

135 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 4:28:09am
“Re-education camps and mass-killing centers? Ha ha ha.”

The Godwinning is totally out of hand. STFU Glenn you raging freakazoid nut sandwich.

136 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 4:28:27am

NEED MOAR COFFEE!

137 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 4:37:57am

First Godwin of the Day


I will be posting Godwins throughout the day as they get tweeted. (until the projectile vomiting makes me stop)

138 sagehen  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 4:40:02am

re: #134 Sol Berdinowitz

Because they are into political posturing. Again, it is accepted that the President and his family should be protected by armed guards.

Sadly, I don’t think it is just posturing.

The Secret Service has been protecting this man against multiple, credible threats since 18 months before he was elected. Since he took office, they’re dealing with more than triple the number of threats any previous president has faced, and they’ve arrested record numbers of plotters.

The wingers have very specific, horrific, tactical reasons they’d like him to be unprotected.

139 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 4:41:58am

The craziness continues:

Glenn Rosen, Sandy Hook Hero, Harassed By Conspiracy Theorists

A good Samaritan who harbored six terrified survivors of the Sandy Hook massacre has been singled out by conspiracy theorists accusing him of being a liar and an actor.

…

The sincerity of that anguish was questioned by a group of conspiracy theorists who call themselves “truthers,” Salon reported earlier this month. These truthers have so far posted Rosen’s personal information online, created fake social media accounts using his name and harassed him via email and phone.

Words fail.

140 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 4:47:49am

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel

Checking around the gun sites this morning, I see that even traditional manual action guns are in short supply and command premium prices, at least compared to a few months ago. They are in not in such short supply as semi-automatics, which have virtually disappeared, but they are obviously included in the current buying panic.
This means that a fair number of people believe it is likely that even, for example, bold action rifles and revolvers will be severely restricted in the near future; likely enough that they are willing to plunk down some real money for them at any rate. At the risk of belaboring the obvious, this is the product of paranoid fantasy and misinformation since no member of Congress, and certainly nobody in the administration, has proposed such a ban.

Got to think that some of that is speculation—How many guns can one family maintain and bring to bear? There must be saturation in terms of a ‘normal’ sporting/self defense market. Waiting for the bubble to burst, here.

141 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 4:54:17am

#2 Godwin of the Day

142 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 4:58:59am

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

#2 Godwin of the Day

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143 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:10:43am

Should I count Tweets that compare Obama to Stalin, Pol Pot or Louis XIV as Godwins or just stick to the Hitlers?

Right now just counting the Hitler tweets.

144 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:12:53am

Godwin of the Day #3

145 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:19:02am

Godwin of the Day #4

146 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:21:18am

re: #145 Vicious Babushka

Godwin of the Day #4

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Yep, it does. All “Good Germans” were allowed what they wanted. Just like the NRA wants here - only “Good Americans” can have guns in their fantasy world.

147 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:23:02am

Godwin of the Day #5

148 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:33:04am

Count this as a Godwin or not?

149 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:35:35am

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

Count this as a Godwin or not?

Fact: Many American liberals admire Mussolini. But they won’t tell you and me that. #tcot #TGDN

— Rob Calzada (@GCP_Rob) January 16, 2013

So how the fuck do you “know” they do if they don’t tell you? Just your “gut”? Fucking idiot. Tell you who did admire Mussolini and Hitler, Prescott Bush.

150 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:41:07am

Godwin of the Day #6

151 Geoff with a G  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:43:32am

re: #149 Eventual Carrion

So how the fuck do you “know” they do if they don’t tell you? Just your “gut”? Fucking idiot. Tell you who did admire Mussolini and Hitler, Prescott Bush.

Source? Not being snarky, just interested in reading. I’m reading “What it Takes” and it covers GHWB childhood, etc so your post made me curious.

152 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:44:01am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

Godwin of the Day #6

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Hateful, insane, destructive.

BBL

153 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:44:34am

Godwin of the Day #7

154 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:51:12am

re: #151 Geoff with a G

Source? Not being snarky, just interested in reading. I’m reading “What it Takes” and it covers GHWB childhood, etc so your post made me curious.

Search for Union Banking Corporation and Trading with the Enemy Act, you should be able to find a few sources pro and con. See where some of that money the Bush’s have in their family came from.

155 Geoff with a G  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:53:40am

re: #154 Eventual Carrion

thanks!

156 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:53:45am

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

This can’t be good for your health. Seriously. These people are sick and twisted and have no clue about history, politics, or much of anything else with their tweets.

157 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:55:20am

re: #156 lawhawk

This can’t be good for your health. Seriously. These people are sick and twisted and have no clue about history, politics, or much of anything else with their tweets.

Now I’m just interested in counting the number of Godwins posted in one day.

158 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:56:44am

re: #156 lawhawk

This can’t be good for your health. Seriously. These people are sick and twisted and have no clue about history, politics, or much of anything else with their tweets.

Waiting for the Bad Crazy to burn itself out, like the Children’s Crusade, or dance marathons.

159 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:57:05am

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

Now I’m just interested in counting the number of Godwins posted in one day.

Oughta be an app for that.

160 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:57:25am

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Should I count Tweets that compare Obama to Stalin, Pol Pot or Louis XIV as Godwins or just stick to the Hitlers?

Right now just counting the Hitler tweets.

Good name for a book. “Counting the Hitler Tweets - Political discourse in the digital age” (c)

161 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 5:58:58am

Godwin #8

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:00:08am

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

Count this as a Godwin or not?

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Project much, fascist?

163 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:00:24am

re: #24 Gus

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Well, at least we’re moving on from Hitler comparisons. Remember when Obama bombed heavily Republican towns down south with nerve gas?

164 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:01:20am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #8

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When I see Obama with Children I think of this.

[Link: politicalhumor.about.com…]

165 iossarian  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:02:09am

I’m quite looking forward to the “Red Nation Rising”.

I figure either it will be a good source of laughs, or we’ll get to demolish the lunatic right for a couple of generations.

166 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:05:51am

OT, but I watched the 1st episode of season 2 of “Girls” last night. This would not be worth a mention, except for the fact that professional misogynist and hysteric Ben Shapiro is obsessed with Lena Dunham and had the Breitbart Borg screaming about how her character wouldn’t date a black conservative.

Well…she was dating a black conservative in last night’s episode. She even asked him for his copy of “The Fountainhead” at the end of the episode. Now, I suppose the relationship won’t last, because that’s the whole point of the series: making jokes at the expense of the “woe-is-me” life of affluent artsy 20-somethings in Brooklyn. I suppose that subtlety flies over Shapiro’s head.

In the end, Ben Shapiro probably needs a better hobby, for the sake of his own sanity.

167 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:08:09am

Godwin #9


Godwin #10

168 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:08:25am

re: #128 Sol Berdinowitz

The right wingers made issue with the fact that President Obama restored the lifetime USSS security detail for the President once he’s out of office, amending the law back to a pre 1997 version that limited the detail for former presidents to 10 years after leaving office. Under the 1997 law individuals who are in office before January 1, 1997, will continue to receive Secret Service protection for their lifetime. Individuals elected to office after that time will receive protection for 10 years after leaving office. Therefore, President Clinton would have been the last president to receive lifetime protection under the 1997 law.

President Bush would have been affected by the 10 year cap, but Obama is now getting grief for a lifetime protection detail for former Presidents.

169 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:09:34am

The writing is on the wall. The NRA is getting scared.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com…]

170 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:09:51am

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

I hope you’ve got your counter derpstepped. It’s going to go to 11TY faster than you can post ‘em.

171 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:11:41am

re: #168 lawhawk

The right wingers made issue with the fact that President Obama restored the lifetime USSS security detail for the President once he’s out of office, amending the law back to a pre 1997 version that limited the detail for former presidents to 10 years after leaving office. Under the 1997 law individuals who are in office before January 1, 1997, will continue to receive Secret Service protection for their lifetime. Individuals elected to office after that time will receive protection for 10 years after leaving office. Therefore, President Clinton would have been the last president to receive lifetime protection under the 1997 law.

President Bush would have been affected by the 10 year cap, but Obama is now getting grief for a lifetime protection detail for former Presidents.

Obama creating jobs, but unfortunately they’re government jobs.

Surprised the nuts haven’t started referring to the Secret Service as becoming Obama’s “Praetorian Guard” or something like that. Guess they haven’t decided to switch the rhetoric over to Roman Imperial terms yet.

172 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:11:46am

re: #170 lawhawk

I hope you’ve got your counter derpstepped. It’s going to go to 11TY faster than you can post ‘em.

I’m only counting direct Hitler/nazi tweets, not Stalin/Lenin/PolPot/Mao/other.

173 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:14:09am

Godwin #11 (probably a fake quote also)

174 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:14:50am

re: #171 Feline Fearless Leader

Obama creating jobs, but unfortunately they’re government jobs.

Surprised the nuts haven’t started referring to the Secret Service as becoming Obama’s “Praetorian Guard” or something like that. Guess they haven’t decided to switch the rhetoric over to Roman Imperial terms yet.

I’m only surprised they haven’t gone comparisons based on the Secret Service’s initials.

As for Rome, I doubt if 5% of them would even recognize that phrase “Praetorian Guard” came from ancient Rome as all they know of Rome is from the “Acts of the Apostles”…

175 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:15:04am

Godwin #12

176 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:16:35am

re: #172 Vicious Babushka

I’m only counting direct Hitler/nazi tweets, not Stalin/Lenin/PolPot/Mao/other.

Honestly, I’m surprised there aren’t more Idi Amin, Jean-Bedel Bokassa, Charles Taylor, or Francisco Macías Nguema comparisons. I figure the racist right who wants to pretend Obama is from Kenya would compare him to crazed African tyrants more often. Maybe the above guys just aren’t famous enough (although Amin was famous enough to be a film subject pretty recently).

177 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:16:37am

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

Misattribution and condensed from a Goebbels quote, which has also been attributed to several others.

178 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:17:45am

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

It takes such incredible self-delusion to believe that having kids around for photo ops is something that only Obama and Hitler have done. It’s like the teleprompter thing.

179 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:18:19am

The RWNJ godwinning is spinning so furiously that we could have a new unlimited power source that would put all others to shame (which would then be source for a new claim that Obama is putting the coal, oil, and nuclear industries out of business by fiat).

180 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:18:53am

re: #176 Ian G.

Honestly, I’m surprised there aren’t more Idi Amin, Jean-Bedel Bokassa, Charles Taylor, or Francisco Macías Nguema comparisons. I figure the racist right who wants to pretend Obama is from Kenya would compare him to crazed African tyrants more often. Maybe the above guys just aren’t famous enough (although Amin was famous enough to be a film subject pretty recently).

Most of these folks don’t own passports or the intellectual curiosity to be able to reference any of the aforementioned monsters. If it didn’t happen in America, or in a war America participated in, they are unlikely to know it happened at all.

181 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:19:54am

Godwin #13

182 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:20:29am

Every politician does photo ops with kids. Kissing babies is an established part of politicking. But apparently it means something a whole lot more ominous when President Obama does it. Or something.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:20:37am

re: #178 Obdicut

It takes such incredible self-delusion to believe that having kids around for photo ops is something that only Obama and Hitler have done. It’s like the teleprompter thing.

Echo chamber stuff.

And politicians doing appearances with children being some sort of evil thing is sort of odd. There’s a very long running meme about campaigning politicians holding babies, etc. Just watch old WB cartoons and you see references to it there.

184 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:21:02am

re: #181 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #13

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Reason enough to hate Gore for inventing the internet.//

185 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:21:06am

Oh, my little stars and comets…

[Link: www.addictinginfo.org…]

In an effort to increase support for itself, the Tea Party has found a way to appeal to more people…change its name to the National Liberty Federation!

Same idiots who can not spell, or read, and who hate women’s rights, minorities, gays, immigrants, unions, teachers, education, government workers, government itself, the non- religious, Indians, and of course “Libtards” and “Dumocrats”…but with a NEW LABEL!!!

BUT!!! IT GETS BETTER!

In a move of unsurpassed ignorance, these people who first named themselves after someone’s testicles resting on your face, but now they’re correcting it by naming themselves “The NLF” after the Viet Cong?!

If this takes over with other Teabagger groups I will only refer to them as the National Liberation Front and chant “Ho-Ho-Ho Chi Minh, the NLF is gonna win!” at them.

186 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:21:44am

You know who else walked on two legs?
Hitler.
Had an opposable digit?
Hitler.
Had hair?
Hitler.
Was human?
Hitler.
Was named Hitler?
Hitler.
Hitler?
Hitler.

187 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:22:46am

re: #185 William Barnett-Lewis


Remember the first rule of naming RWNJ organizations: use liberty, family or constitution in it somehow.

188 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:23:05am

Godwin #14

189 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:23:07am

re: #186 Varek Raith

You know who else walked on two legs?
Hitler.
Had an opposable digit?
Hitler.
Had hair?
Hitler.
Was human?
Hitler.
Was named Hitler?
Hitler.
Hitler?
Hitler.

Also, if you play Obama’s speech from later today backwards at 45 speed, it says “I am Hitler”/

190 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:23:59am

re: #185 William Barnett-Lewis

As is par for the golf course in their heads, it’s never an ideological problem, it’s a messaging/branding problem.

A shit-sandwich is still a shit-sandwich no matter how you wrap it.

Sadly, these folks will never get that.

191 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:25:03am

This event is the Godwin to end all Godwins.
Crazy.

192 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:25:44am

So I encountered a Sandy Hook truther on FB. Here are a few excerpts from our conversation, names removed:

Her: Watch the video and do the research, those grieving parents (none of which shed an actual tear) are actors

Me: I’ll take the word of the parents who buried their kids. It happened, and denying it or buying into some anti-gun conspiracy is an insult to those kids who died and is beneath contempt.

Her: Can you prove it? gUess we are on opposite sides of the fence I’m very conservative and you appear to be very liberal.

Her: Let me guess…you voted for obama

Me: What does voting have to.do with anything? 20 kids were murdered by a crazy guy. It happened. It was real. I suppose next you’re going to tell me that only liberals believe that the Earth is round or that we landed on the moon. Political slant has nothing to do with the objective fact that those kids died. You have to be a special level of paranoid or stupid to think it’s a hoax.

Her: You have to be a special level or paranoid or stupid to beleive everything you hear or see on tv

Her: you also have to be a new level of idiotic to support the current administration and all their antics

Her: want to argue politics? bring it on…you will lose!

Her: Prove to me that it happened Also, voting for the current potus shows you buy into all sorts of baloney

Her: Can you tell me why the person that was intervied as the school nurse doesn’t show up as a licensed nurse in CT

Her: [mutual FB friend’s name]- so sorry for this rant on your wall

Her: please take the time to research the topic for yourself.

Me: So you seriously don’t think it happened? You think it was all staged? Wow. I mean, you’re arguing against reality for political reasons. I can’t fathom that at all. Forget politics. We aren’t even starting from the same version of reality. That’s a much bigger hurdle. You might as well say the sky is magenta and water is dry.

Her: Not after reading and researching I put nothing past the current administration. Why don’t you research it and get back to me. Believe me when I say I take politics very seriously, I stay informed and am well read in the subject. While you’re doing research on sandy hook. Take a little deeper look at our prez. You may be sickened by what you find.

And there were a couple of other people in the thread who swore it was a case of “wag the dog” and that the videos they’ve seen raise doubts about the shootings happening at all, or about the events as they unfolded.

This is insane. These people think they’re educated and informed. They think that it’s a political hoax by the Obama administration. WTF.

193 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:26:48am

re: #65 Gus

The Republican Party is the party of alcoholics addicts..

These days they appear, to a man and woman, addicted to hate, fear and anger.

194 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:28:03am

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi

Remember the first rule of naming RWNJ organizations: use liberty, family or constitution in it somehow.

And you can usually tell what type of group it is depending on which 3 of those monikers they utilize. Family always has some sort of creepy religious/woman hating type of goal, Constitution usually is for those who think the it’s a document that contains only the 2nd amendment and a bunch of privileges, and Liberty is pretty much an all-encompassing bugfuckism which is usually based on “fuck you, I got mine.”

195 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:28:26am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I always had the idea of penning a short story where someone like Ron Paul gets real power and gets power hungry. Really, it’s easy for Paul and the Paulians to act like he’d be nothing but benevolent but I’ve seen how intolerant Paul and his fans are of anyone who doesn’t think Ludwig Von Mises wasn’t the greatest economist ever.

Someone made a video game out of this idea.

196 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:28:45am

Godwin #15

197 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:30:02am

re: #192 Lidane

So I encountered a Sandy Hook truther on FB. Here are a few excerpts from our conversation, names removed:

And there were a couple of other people in the thread who swore it was a case of “wag the dog” and that the videos they’ve seen raise doubts about the shootings happening at all, or about the events as they unfolded.

This is insane. These people think they’re educated and informed. They think that it’s a political hoax by the Obama administration. WTF.

They are just like 9-11 truthers.

198 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:30:20am

re: #192 Lidane

That’s really sad. These people are not even from the same planet as we are.

199 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:31:51am

re: #194 Ghost of Tom Joad

And you can usually tell what type of group it is depending on which 3 of those monikers they utilize. Family always has some sort of creepy religious/woman hating type of goal, Constitution usually is for those who think the it’s a document that contains only the 2nd amendment and a bunch of privileges, and Liberty is pretty much an all-encompassing bugfuckism which is usually based on “fuck you, I got mine.”

You left out that constitution groups are usually big on states rights.

200 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:32:37am

re: #182 lawhawk

Every politician does photo ops with kids. Kissing babies is an established part of politicking. But apparently it means something a whole lot more ominous when President Obama does it. Or something.

It’s just another dog-whistle. That’s all it is. Little dose of “omg liberal!” but it’s mostly racism. It’d probably happen with any (D) President, but I’m sure it’s worse because PBO is PWB.

201 iossarian  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:32:56am

re: #196 Vicious Babushka

Obama is going to “go for your guns”?

These people need professional help.

202 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:33:26am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Waiting for the Bad Crazy to burn itself out, like the Children’s Crusade, or dance marathons.

And ultimately it will. Movements like this invariably burn themselves out.

203 Geoff with a G  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:34:28am

re: #192 Lidane

Forget politics. We aren’t even starting from the same version of reality. That’s a much bigger hurdle.

Should be on a plaque .

204 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:35:09am

re: #192 Lidane

So I encountered a Sandy Hook truther on FB. Here are a few excerpts from our conversation, names removed:

And there were a couple of other people in the thread who swore it was a case of “wag the dog” and that the videos they’ve seen raise doubts about the shootings happening at all, or about the events as they unfolded.

This is insane. These people think they’re educated and informed. They think that it’s a political hoax by the Obama administration. WTF.

Ask her if she thinks 9/11 was staged as well. After all, there’s some pretty “compelling evidence” to that effect. /// extreme

205 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:35:31am

re: #201 iossarian

Obama is going to “go for your guns”?

These people need professional help.

Which, of course, would lead to them being declared incompetent and unfit to own firearms, hence their dilemma. We can’t blame guns or gun-nuts, so we have to blame crazy people. But only certain crazy people.

206 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:36:19am

re: #205 Ghost of Tom Joad

I’m not paranoid if they’re out to get me (or my guns). /

207 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:37:44am

NRA Targets Obama’s Kids In New Attack Ad

208 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:39:12am

re: #204 Dr Lizardo

Ask her if she thinks 9/11 was staged as well. After all, there’s some pretty “compelling evidence” to that effect. /// extreme

Oh, I gave up. When she couldn’t convince me that Sandy Hook was a topic worth “researching” to find out the “truth”, she switched tactics and started to insult me personally. She insulted my alma mater, the fact that I didn’t get my undergrad until I was in my 30’s, anything she could to try and hurt me.

At that point, I just said good riddance and went off to do something else.

209 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:39:56am

Ok, NRA douches, you wanna play that game?

Ok.

I hereby demand SS protection for myself and all Americans!

Morons.

210 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:40:04am

re: #208 Lidane

She probably thinks the Moon landing was a hoax, also.

211 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:41:55am

re: #208 Lidane

Oh, I gave up. When she couldn’t convince me that Sandy Hook was a topic worth “researching” to find out the “truth”, she switched tactics and started to insult me personally. She insulted my alma mater, the fact that I didn’t get my undergrad until I was in my 30’s, anything she could to try and hurt me.

At that point, I just said good riddance and went off to do something else.

IS there anything positive about Facebook? Just walk away from it & leave it to the nutjobs.

212 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:42:05am

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

And ultimately it will. Movements like this invariably burn themselves out.

It will once most of the new weapon regulations are passed and 99% of the gun owners realize that they don’t negatively effect them in any way. Of course, they’ll never realize the whole thing was a sick joke perpetrated by the weapons manufacturers and their mouthpieces like the NRA. That’s pretty much the only tangible result out of all of this - rich people got richer. The new regulations will most likely do very little to curb gun-related violence, a bunch of morons will have been exposed by their pro-gun anti-government paranoia, but Wayne LaPierre will be able to stuff his pillows with Benjamins.

213 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:43:57am

re: #212 Ghost of Tom Joad

It will once most of the new weapon regulations are passed and 99% of the gun owners realize that they don’t negatively effect them in any way. Of course, they’ll never realize the whole thing was a sick joke perpetrated by the weapons manufacturers and their mouthpieces like the NRA. That’s pretty much the only tangible result out of all of this - rich people got richer. The new regulations will most likely do very little to curb gun-related violence, a bunch of morons will have been exposed by their pro-gun anti-government paranoia, but Wayne LaPierre will be able to stuff his pillows with Benjamins.

That’s the sad part…..it occurs to me a lot of the folks on the right simply don’t realize they’re the mark in an elaborate swindle.

214 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:44:12am

re: #176 Ian G.

Honestly, I’m surprised there aren’t more Idi Amin, Jean-Bedel Bokassa, Charles Taylor, or Francisco Macías Nguema comparisons. I figure the racist right who wants to pretend Obama is from Kenya would compare him to crazed African tyrants more often. Maybe the above guys just aren’t famous enough (although Amin was famous enough to be a film subject pretty recently).

Emperor Jones—You know they really wanna:

Image: Annex%20-%20Robeson,%20Paul%20(Emperor%20Jones,%20The)_01.jpg

215 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:45:00am

re: #176 Ian G.

Honestly, I’m surprised there aren’t more Idi Amin, Jean-Bedel Bokassa, Charles Taylor, or Francisco Macías Nguema comparisons. I figure the racist right who wants to pretend Obama is from Kenya would compare him to crazed African tyrants more often. Maybe the above guys just aren’t famous enough (although Amin was famous enough to be a film subject pretty recently).

Probably because most of them are so ignorant they have no idea who any of those people are.

216 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:46:24am

Oh, this is new. I’m no longer posting on that thread, but the OBAMA IZ USING KIDS AS PROPS fail has made an appearance:

If the kids did die, then why is one of them posing for pics with the president days after the tragedy??? And why were there funds set up for the dead people’s families before they even knew they were dead? I’m not saying I believe it all either, but some things need to be answered!!

These are deeply stupid people. They’re looking for anything to blame on Obama. This is ODS on bath salts.

217 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:47:34am

re: #211 William Barnett-Lewis

IS there anything positive about Facebook? Just walk away from it & leave it to the nutjobs.

There’s plenty positive in my experience. My encounters with nutjobs are few and far between because I tend to ignore politics on there. I just got dragged into that conversation last night because I called the whole Sandy Hook truther thing nonsense.

218 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:47:41am

Godwin #16

219 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:48:25am

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

And ultimately it will. Movements like this invariably burn themselves out.

Lets hope it doesn’t take the country with it.

220 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:48:39am

Secret Service should be watching this

221 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:49:14am
As Beck foresees it, Obama will initially accept some sort of compromise gun control legislation from Congress but then start complaining that it didn’t go far enough while waiting patiently for another high-profile gun crime to take place which he can then use as evidence that the compromise legislation was insufficient and thus provide justification for issuing an executive order banning and confiscating weapons.

Maybe if responsible gun owners would start being responsible there won’t be another “high profile gun crime”.

At which point, Americans will have two choices: either to hole up in heavily armed compounds à la Waco and Ruby Ridge or to peacefully protest and resist. Beck prefers the latter because, as everyone knows, things Waco and Ruby Ridge just provide an opportunity for the government to kill its citizens while the media portrays the victims as a bunch of crazies:

I’m a big fan of the wall-compound for wingnuts plan, although the difference between it and the FEMA trailer prison camp doesn’t strike me as being really large.

222 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:51:09am

re: #192 Lidane

Her: Can you tell me why the person that was intervied as the school nurse doesn’t show up as a licensed nurse in CT

This one is easy to check, and it’s already been done. There is a Sarah Cox who is a licensed nurse in Newtown. Sally is a pretty common nickname for Sarah, but these Newtown-truthers don’t seem to recognize that.

223 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:52:35am

re: #219 Romantic Heretic

Lets hope it doesn’t take the country with it.

That’s a concern of mine as well. I can easily see an assassin or another Tim McVeigh with these morons. Or at least, they’ll attempt it. Did you hear about the “militia” in Alaska trying to kill Federal officals? They got busted thanks to a couple of informants, and they’re in deep shit.

224 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:53:38am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Secret Service should be watching this

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Forward it to the Secret Service.

225 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:56:53am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Secret Service should be watching this

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From the Secret Service website:

How can I report a threat towards a protectee?

Contact your nearest U.S. Secret Service field office which is listed in the “Emergency Numbers” section in the front of most phone books.

226 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:57:21am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

From the Secret Service website:

How can I report a threat towards a protectee?

Contact your nearest U.S. Secret Service field office which is listed in the “Emergency Numbers” section in the front of most phone books.

what’s a “phone book”?

227 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:59:50am

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

what’s a “phone book”?

A big yellowy thing with pages that some bodybuilders like to rip in half to impress bikini-clad pretty young things. :)

228 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:59:55am

Godwin #17

229 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:00:42am

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

Phone books are yet another tyrannical and unconstitutional requirement of Obamacare. They list people’s name and addresses.

230 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:00:48am

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

Actually, here’s a complete listing at this link.

[Link: www.secretservice.gov…]

231 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:01:36am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

Of all the leftist bully thugs, the MTV leftists are the worst. /

232 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:01:48am

re: #229 Bulworth

Phone books are yet another tyrannical and unconstitutional requirement of Obamacare. They list people’s name and addresses.

ITS TEH OBAMUNISM!1!

233 Sionainn  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:02:12am

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi

This one is easy to check, and it’s already been done. There is a Sarah Cox who is a licensed nurse in Newtown. Sally is a pretty common nickname for Sarah, but these Newtown-truthers don’t seem to recognize that.

It could be like here, too…we don’t usually have an actual nurse sitting in the school nurse’s office. It’s just a person given some first aid training who handles stuff. The actual school nurse is assigned to multiple schools and goes to a different one each day.

234 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:02:21am

Godwin #18

235 Bulworth  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:03:56am

re: #197 Varek Raith

You mean there’s more than one Newtown truther?

One I can see. Two or more suggests a possible derp epidemic.

236 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:04:31am

Godwin #19

237 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:06:57am

Godwin #20

238 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:09:05am

re: #233 Sionainn

I checked CT regulations. There has to be at least one RN in each district.

State law requires each local or regional board of education to appoint at least one school nurse or nurse practitioner (another title for advanced practice registered nurse or APRN). School nurses must meet the qualifications established in regulations adopted by the State Board of Education in consultation with the Public Health Department. And they must submit to a criminal history record check (CGS § 10-212).

With some exceptions, these regulations (Conn. Agency Regs., 10-212-1 to -7, adopted in 1982 and incorporated in the Public Health Code) require a school nurse to be an RN with a current Connecticut license. The nurse must have the equivalent of at least one year of full-time employment as an RN within the immediate past five years. And the nurse must have among his or her educational experience at least 12 college credits, 18 continuing education units (CEUs), or 180 workshop or in-service training hours distributed as follows:

Source: [Link: www.cga.ct.gov…]

239 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:09:29am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #17

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No, people like you committed the Holocaust. See “Hitler’s Willing Executioners”.

240 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:10:17am

re: #231 Bulworth

Of all the leftist bully thugs, the MTV leftists are the worst. /

Are those the ones that got music videos banned from the channel?
///

241 Tigger2  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:11:23am

Just a question, wasn’t one of the Sandy Hook parents some kind of a attorney or something like that.?

242 Mattand  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:16:51am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Secret Service should be watching this

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I’m getting real close to reporting shit like this. Given the derangement over Obama in the last week, I think it’s warranted.

243 iossarian  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:17:25am

Pop music moguls getting rich by pushing LEFTISM on unsuspecting teens!

THE HORROR

244 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:17:52am

re: #241 Tigger2

Just a question, wasn’t one of the Sandy Hook parents some kind of a attorney or something like that.?

The school and probably even the town were fronts. A liberal Potemkin Village for the Obama Imperium to use as it sees fit for propaganda purposes.

245 Sionainn  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:18:06am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi

I checked CT regulations. There has to be at least one RN in each district.

Source: [Link: www.cga.ct.gov…]

So, it conceivably could be one nurse for all schools in the district. Thanks for looking that up!

246 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:18:23am

re: #229 Bulworth

Phone books are yet another tyrannical and unconstitutional requirement of Obamacare. They list people’s name and addresses.

Youtube Video
247 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:18:59am

re: #242 Mattand

I’m getting real close to reporting shit like this. Given the derangement over Obama in the last week, I think it’s warranted.

Keep an eye on the threads over there at TGDN during the presser, and then use the link I posted in #230 if you think it’s warranted. I would, but I’m overseas.

248 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:19:04am

Morning Lizards. Just put up a page with some more Idaho flavored derpitude.

249 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:21:20am

Godwin #21

250 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:23:57am

Godwin #22

251 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:30:58am

re: #250 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #22

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Here. Fight back with this.

252 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:33:28am

re: #251 dragonfire1981

253 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:34:46am

Hitler breathed air.

Obama breathed air.

254 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:36:12am

Hey, Lizards - prayers, positive waves, happy thoughts what ever you do please. We’ve had no income since thanksgiving when my wife’s in home nursing care client passed away. Now, though, she has an interview tomorrow for a RN position and I’ll be interviewing next week for a half time book keeping and access database creating position.

Any help is good help :)

Thanks!

255 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:36:54am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

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ZOMG! REAGAN IZ TEH HITLER!1!

256 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:37:42am

re: #254 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey, Lizards - prayers, positive waves, happy thoughts what ever you do please. We’ve had no income since thanksgiving when my wife’s in home nursing care client passed away. Now, though, she has an interview tomorrow for a RN position and I’ll be interviewing next week for a half time book keeping and access database creating position.

Any help is good help :)

Thanks!

Moriarity has been tied down, given a stiff drink, and a manual on German transmissions.
;)

257 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:37:52am

re: #254 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey, Lizards - prayers, positive waves, happy thoughts what ever you do please. We’ve had no income since thanksgiving when my wife’s in home nursing care client passed away. Now, though, she has an interview tomorrow for a RN position and I’ll be interviewing next week for a half time book keeping and access database creating position.

Any help is good help :)

Thanks!

Good luck to both of you.

258 Sionainn  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:38:04am

re: #254 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey, Lizards - prayers, positive waves, happy thoughts what ever you do please. We’ve had no income since thanksgiving when my wife’s in home nursing care client passed away. Now, though, she has an interview tomorrow for a RN position and I’ll be interviewing next week for a half time book keeping and access database creating position.

Any help is good help :)

Thanks!

You got it! Good luck to both of you.

259 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:39:23am

Godwin #23

260 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:39:45am

A lot of these Godwins may be the same since they are mindlessly retweeted.

261 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:40:40am

Something has snapped in the national conscience.

262 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:41:39am

re: #254 William Barnett-Lewis

Sending good thoughts your way.

263 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:41:44am

re: #259 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #23

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The Dictator? You mean this guy? Image: Sacha-Baron-Cohen-Admiral-General-Aladeen-IMG-8969.jpg

264 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:42:23am

re: #261 makeitstop

Something has snapped in the national conscience mind.

FTFY.

265 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:42:36am
266 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:45:10am

Meet the NRA’s Board of Directors

The National Rifle Association claims to speak for more than four million gun owners. But the shots are really called by a hush-hush group of 76 directors. The majority are nominated via a top-down process and elected by a small fraction of NRA members. A breakdown of the current board, based on their official bios:

- 87% are men. 93% are white.
- 25% are current or former federal, state, or local lawmakers or officials.
- 22% are current or former law enforcement officers. 30% are current or former members of the military.
- 24% are lawyers.
- 12% are entertainers or athletes.
- 64% are hunters. 71% are sport or competitive shooters.
- At least 71% were nominated, endorsed, or selected by the NRA’s Nominating Committee.

267 Sionainn  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:45:45am

re: #261 makeitstop

Something has snapped in the national conscience.

What conscience?

268 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:46:05am

A new RWNJ meme is taking hold on my Facebook - that Gov. Cuomo enacted the new NY gun law without a vote.

This is fucking crazy. These people are, as Lidane said, working with their own distinct reality. How the fuck do you deal with that?

269 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:46:07am

Godwin #24

270 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:50:05am

If it is any indication, I started the day out on a previous thread, reading and commenting.

Morning, UGH!

271 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:50:38am

Joe Scarborough On New NRA Ad Politicizing Protection For Obama’s Kids:
“This Extremism Is So Frightening And Over The Line”
[Link: mediamatters.org…]

272 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:50:39am

re: #259 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #23

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Yes, but are any of these low-life cretins condemning the new NRA ad specifically targeting the Obama girls?

NRA Ad Targets Obama Daughters

273 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:50:54am

re: #268 makeitstop

A new RWNJ meme is taking hold on my Facebook - that Gov. Cuomo enacted the new NY gun law without a vote.

This is fucking crazy. These people are, as Lidane said, working with their own distinct reality. How the fuck do you deal with that?

Well, they use the current House of Representatives as their standard for formulating and passing legislation. New York state got something enacted in less than 100 days - so it must have been some sort of dictatorial conspiracy at work.
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274 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:51:18am

re: #268 makeitstop

There were separate Senate and Assembly votes, message of necessity attached, and Gov. cuomo signed it into law. These people who are claiming that Cuomo enacted the SAFE act by fiat are just flat out operating in a separate and distinct reality that is not the current one.

275 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:52:49am

re: #268 makeitstop

A new RWNJ meme is taking hold on my Facebook - that Gov. Cuomo enacted the new NY gun law without a vote.

This is fucking crazy. These people are, as Lidane said, working with their own distinct reality. How the fuck do you deal with that?

At as great a distance from yourself and your family as possible. Yes, I’m serious. If you’re like me and your family contains a few of these psychos, I’ve pretty much made it an ultimatum - if this is batshittery is discussed in any way, you’re dead to me.

You can lead these people to facts, but you can’t make them think. They are the absolute end-product of the assault on critical thinking in this country, perpetuated by religious and political cultism. There is no reasoning, talking to, explaining, asking to think or to read.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

276 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:55:11am

re: #268 makeitstop

A new RWNJ meme is taking hold on my Facebook - that Gov. Cuomo enacted the new NY gun law without a vote.

This is fucking crazy. These people are, as Lidane said, working with their own distinct reality. How the fuck do you deal with that?

I usually just keep my mouth shut, unless I have a researchable fact at the front of my brain. Like my constant referral to False Scarcity being a very effective Marketing Tool.

Then, when the tide changes, I try not to rub it in their faces.

It’s alot like dealing with an alcoholic.

277 Acemarilllion  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:55:37am

re: #192 Lidane

Her: Prove to me that it happened

As Carl Sagan said: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”. I’d probably throw some of Occam’s Razor in there too. It’s like saying “Man didn’t walk on the moon, PROVE that he did”.

She is the one with the crazy claim. Her “research” seems to be anecdotal evidence and garbage passed around the interwebs.

278 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:56:52am

Godwin #25

279 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:57:39am

re: #192 Lidane

Tell these people to go to Newtown and see for themselves instead of relying on people who are making money by peddlng “news” and such.

Always go to the source.

280 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:59:46am

re: #192 Lidane

It is IMHO best not to engage these folks. They are precisely the type of people who should not be permitted access to firearms because their perception of reality is faulty and their reasoning is clearly impaired. They should merely be added to the ATF list for people not able to possess firearms. You know that federal legislation the NRA is so keen on to prevent “crazy” people from accessing guns?

281 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:01:02am

re: #279 FemNaziBitch

Tell these people to go to Newtown and see for themselves instead of relying on people who are making money by peddlng “news” and such.

Always go to the source.

Her research consists of Internet posts and “articles” bouncing around the echo chamber.

282 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:02:29am

[Link: livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

Well, great job NRA. I think they ran out of credibility a long time ago, but if they hadn’t they just pissed it away with that blatant dog-whistle and specifically talking about his children.

Really pathetic.

283 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:03:05am

Godwin #26

284 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:04:17am

re: #281 Petero1818

Her research consists of Internet posts and “articles” bouncing around the echo chamber.

Exactly! Sometimes, it’s better to coach people on their research skills. Like pointing out that they are reading an “article” originally posted years before or one that has been cut and pasted many times—which makes it as reliable as a rumor. Most people have some little bell that goes off when it comes to the word “rumor”. Probably from the “rumor” game everyone played in grade school.

But, I don’t do this very often. Mostly I just keep quiet. I don’t always have that much patience.

285 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:04:51am

re: #280 Petero1818

Heh, I said the same thing the other night. It’s a big conundrum for them; they won’t ever blame guns, so they have to start blaming “crazy people,” which of course entails increasing mental-health checks for people looking to buy weapons. And many of these people shouldn’t be allowed near sharp objects, let alone weaponry.

286 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:06:40am

re: #266 jaunte

Meet the NRA’s Board of Directors

The NRA knows its audience. The organization’s main selling point is the fear in old white people that the violent minorities are coming to rob you and burn your house down and rape your daughters. After all, where was the NRA when Trayvon Martin was shot? Shouldn’t they have argued that Martin should have been armed to protect himself?

I have a theory that the main reason the GOP does so poorly with young people is that they’re still selling the boogeymen of 1968: rioting minorities, hippies smoking weed, and the communists. For a generation who has guzzled beer and absinthe in Prague (as I have) or has moved back into the cities their parents fled (as I have: Fort Greene, Brooklyn), this kind of stuff is so ridiculously alien. They might as well be selling fear of the Visigoths.

287 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:06:42am

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Exactly! Sometimes, it’s better to coach people on their research skills. Like pointing out that they are reading an “article” originally posted years before or one that has been cut and pasted many times—which makes it as reliable as a rumor. Most people have some little bell that goes off when it comes to the word “rumor”. Probably from the “rumor” game everyone played in grade school.

But, I don’t do this very often. Mostly I just keep quiet. I don’t always have that much patience.

Sometimes a person will thank you for pointing out a fake quote and ask for advice on how to determine if it is authentic. Others will just SPAM BLOCK you for linking to TEH LIBRUL SNOAPZ.

288 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:07:28am

EXCLUSIVE: Unmasking the NRA’s Inner Circle

The NRA’s shadowy leaders include the CEO who sells Bushmaster assault rifles and a top director who lives in Newtown.

289 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:07:48am

Another day, more Hitler. //

290 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:08:20am

So much bad info being circulated today. Check this:

President Reagan had 5 executive orders in his 8 year term, Clinton had 15 executive orders in his 8 year term, Bush had 62 executive orders in his 8 year term and Obama has had 923 in his last 3 year term.

The true numbers:

Reagan, 381
Clinton, 364
Bush, 294
Obama, 144

Holy crap, people are stupid.

291 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:08:41am

Godwin #27

292 iossarian  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:09:58am

re: #290 makeitstop

So much bad info being circulated today. Check this:

The true numbers:

Reagan, 381
Clinton, 364
Bush, 294
Obama, 144

Holy crap, people are stupid.

Ah, but if you only count the executive orders that are STEPS TOWARDS ENACTING LIBTARD TYRANNY then the numbers look VERY DIFFERENT…

293 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:10:20am

Glenn Beck Sees Civil War Brewing

glen beck ferments a lot

294 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:10:28am

re: #268 makeitstop

You might want to refer them to the NYS Senate site that has updated to include that the bill passed both Senate and Assembly and was delivered to Governor Cuomo.

The Assembly bill tracker always lags by a day or two.

[Link: open.nysenate.gov…]

Enacts the NY Secure Firearms and Ammunition Enforcement (SAFE) Act of 2013.
Sponsor: KLEIN / Co-sponsor(s): SMITH

S2230-2013 Actions
Jan 15, 2013: DELIVERED TO GOVERNOR
Jan 15, 2013: returned to senate
Jan 15, 2013: passed assembly
Jan 15, 2013: message of necessity - 3 day message
Jan 15, 2013: ordered to third reading rules cal.3
Jan 15, 2013: substituted for a2388
Jan 14, 2013: referred to codes
Jan 14, 2013: DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY
Jan 14, 2013: PASSED SENATE
Jan 14, 2013: MESSAGE OF NECESSITY
Jan 14, 2013: ORDERED TO THIRD READING CAL.1
Jan 14, 2013: REFERRED TO RULES

295 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:10:31am

re: #291 Vicious Babushka

I don’t envy you for doing this filthy but necessary work. I’d need a shower after reading all this Obama=Hitler twitter sewage.

296 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:10:32am

re: #291 Vicious Babushka

Why do I suspect that many of these same people would have joined the Nazi party if they had been alive back in the ’30s? Or is that Godwinning the Godwinners?

297 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:10:58am

re: #287 Vicious Babushka

Sometimes a person will thank you for pointing out a fake quote and ask for advice on how to determine if it is authentic. Others will just SPAM BLOCK you for linking to TEH LIBRUL SNOAPZ.

For that reason, I don’t use snopes as an example. I usually find the source document and use that.

Usually, I think they feel really stupid because they weren’t aware that they (as regular citizens) could have access to the “source”. They’ve been deluded into thinking they are mere ants and the pundits are near G-d—with privileged insight into the nature of things.

Mostly, it’s a matter of taking the pundits off Mt Olympus and showing that they are flawed human beings. I’m amazed at the number of people who think their own brains are sub-standard and that they couldn’t understand the Congressional Record no matter how hard they tried.

298 iossarian  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:11:30am

re: #296 wheat-dogghazi

Why do I suspect that many of these same people would have joined the Nazi party if they had been alive back in the ’30s? Or is that Godwinning the Godwinners?

No-one wins in the game of Godwin. Except God. Hence the name.

299 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:11:40am

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Exactly! Sometimes, it’s better to coach people on their research skills. Like pointing out that they are reading an “article” originally posted years before or one that has been cut and pasted many times—which makes it as reliable as a rumor. Most people have some little bell that goes off when it comes to the word “rumor”. Probably from the “rumor” game everyone played in grade school.

But, I don’t do this very often. Mostly I just keep quiet. I don’t always have that much patience.

I don’t think they’re posting to look for truth. They’re looking for feedback reinforcement of their prejudices. Thus the efficiency of the echo chamber (and retweeting of the same misinformation) since they hear a lot more voices agreeing with them than a few that are saying, “Wait a minute, that’s not accurate.”

I got burnt out on this a long time ago. Too many “rational” discussions where as you won points they retreated to the next point, and so forth, until they suddenly retreated right back to the first point (again). At that point you realize that they were not going to sway from the general viewpoint based on any evidence you offered and that you were wasting your time with them. (Unless you’d paid your five pounds of course.)

300 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:12:24am

re: #286 Ian G.

The NRA knows its audience. The organization’s main selling point is the fear in old white people that the violent minorities are coming to rob you and burn your house down and rape your daughters. After all, where was the NRA when Trayvon Martin was shot? Shouldn’t they have argued that Martin should have been armed to protect himself?

they keep not-very-subtly making the point that they believe americans will not be safe as long as negroes have guns

i am waiting for some public figure so call them out on this in so many words

301 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:12:28am

re: #286 Ian G.

For a generation who has guzzled beer and absinthe in Prague (as I have) or has moved back into the cities their parents fled (as I have: Fort Greene, Brooklyn), this kind of stuff is so ridiculously alien. They might as well be selling fear of the Visigoths.

Yes, Conservatives don’t realize that their “future” is the current reality.

302 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:13:01am

ABC News WaPo Poll:
Most Back New Gun Controls

A majority of Americans favor such gun control measures as banning assault weapons and expanding background checks on those who buy guns and ammunition, with support for banning high-capacity ammunition magazines at a new high in ABC News/Washington Post polls.

With Vice President Joe Biden set to present recommendations that were prompted by the Newtown, Conn., school shootings last month, this latest poll shows overwhelming support for certain moves: Eighty-eight percent favor background checks on firearms buyers at gun shows; 76 percent support checks on buyers of ammunition and 71 percent back a new federal database that would track all gun sales.

(METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone Jan. 10-13, 2013, among a random national sample of 1,001 adults, including landline and cell-phone-only respondents. Results have a margin of sampling error of 3.5 points, including design effect. Partisan divisions are 33-24-37 percent, Democrats-Republicans-independents.
The survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York, N.Y., with sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt-SRBI of New York, N.Y.
Analysis by Gary Langer.
ABC News polls can be found at ABCNEWS.com at [Link: abcnews.com…]

303 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:13:35am

re: #299 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t think they’re posting to look for truth. They’re looking for feedback reinforcement of their prejudices. Thus the efficiency of the echo chamber (and retweeting of the same misinformation) since they hear a lot more voices agreeing with them than a few that are saying, “Wait a minute, that’s not accurate.”

I got burnt out on this a long time ago. Too many “rational” discussions where as you won points they retreated to the next point, and so forth, until they suddenly retreated right back to the first point (again). At that point you realize that they were not going to sway from the general viewpoint based on any evidence you offered and that you were wasting your time with them. (Unless you’d paid your five pounds of course.)

The Purpose of Rhetoric is to Persuade.

Usually, I don’t engage in lengthy discussions. I just point out some flaw or link the source and move on.

304 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:16:03am

re: #301 FemNaziBitch

Yes, Conservatives don’t realize that their “future” is the current reality.

well, it was william f buckley aaahhh junior that said he was standing athwart history whining “STOP”

305 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:16:57am

re: #301 FemNaziBitch

Yes, Conservatives don’t realize that their “future” is the current reality.

They’d hate me, for sure. Not only Muslim, but have drank beer (and absinthe) in Prague and….EVEN LIVED THERE! They’d be all like,

OMG!ITZ TEH WHITE EUROPEAIN SOSHULIST MUZLIM!1!!

I’d make their heads explode.

306 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:17:17am

Derp:

An appropriate response:

307 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:17:21am

re: #304 engineer cat

well, it was william f buckley aaahhh junior that said he was standing athwart history whining “STOP”

Isn’t the conservative motto “The future is yesterday”?

308 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:17:24am

re: #299 Feline Fearless Leader

Rational discourse requires 2 rational participants. What these people are engaged in is closer to mental masturbation.

309 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:18:33am

re: #308 Petero1818

But mental masturbation presupposes a happy ending. There’s no happy ending here. Just very angry and misguided people who are being whipped into a frenzy of fear.

310 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:18:38am

re: #308 Petero1818

Rational discourse requires 2 rational participants. What these people are engaged in is closer to mental masturbation.

I do what I can. I don’t waste too many of my own resources on it.

311 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:20:27am

re: #309 lawhawk

But mental masturbation presupposes a happy ending. There’s no happy ending here. Just very angry and misguided people who are being whipped into a frenzy of fear.

It’s something of long standing in the playbook. Play up the race/ethnic fears since that distracts from the obvious class and/or power differences being noticed and acted upon.

312 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:20:28am

re: #291 Vicious Babushka

# ????

313 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:21:37am

Often it is best to simply say nothing, or in some cases to simply point out that the person is not worthy of engaging on a serious matter. It happens here too. Yesterday in a 4 post back and forth on Israel an individual on LGF misrepresented my position 4 or 5 times. It became clear he was engaged not in a debate with me based on facts, but rather in a cathartic diatribe to satisfy his own (erroneous) pre-conceived notions.
Eventually I just told him to shut up. There is no way to have a real discussion with such a person.

314 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:22:05am

OK. Someone needs to make a Godwin page. The Twitter Godwin Derp Network, aka TGDN.

315 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:22:21am

re: #312 jaunte

# ????

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Godwin #28

I’m only watching the #TGDN hashtag for Godwins, that’s where they seem to be concentrated.

316 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:22:21am

re: #309 lawhawk

But mental masturbation presupposes a happy ending. There’s no happy ending here. Just very angry and misguided people who are being whipped into a frenzy of fear.

Beg to differ. The happy ending is their realizing a community of interests within the echo chamber.

317 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:22:49am

re: #313 Petero1818

Often it is best to simply say nothing, or in some cases to simply point out that the person is not worthy of engaging on a serious matter. It happens here too. Yesterday in a 4 post back and forth on Israel an individual on LGF misrepresented my position 4 or 5 times. It became clear he was engaged not in a debate with me based on facts, but rather in a cathartic diatribe to satisfy his own (erroneous) pre-conceived notions.
Eventually I just told him to shut up. There is no way to have a real discussion with such a person.

Yeah, I find people need to repeat, repeat, and repeat without rinsing in an effort to memorize the rhetoric into which they’ve invested.

318 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:22:51am

re: #299 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t think they’re posting to look for truth. They’re looking for feedback reinforcement of their prejudices. Thus the efficiency of the echo chamber (and retweeting of the same misinformation) since they hear a lot more voices agreeing with them than a few that are saying, “Wait a minute, that’s not accurate.”

I got burnt out on this a long time ago. Too many “rational” discussions where as you won points they retreated to the next point, and so forth, until they suddenly retreated right back to the first point (again). At that point you realize that they were not going to sway from the general viewpoint based on any evidence you offered and that you were wasting your time with them. (Unless you’d paid your five pounds of course.)

my much-too-extensive experience of this was instructive in some way, although i’m not sure how exactly except perhaps as a sociological or psychoanalytic exercise

generally, i discovered that a lot of people seem to have read those web pages on common logical fallacies and mistaken them for guidelines for “debate”

319 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:23:10am

re: #314 Gus

OK. Someone needs to make a Godwin page. The Twitter Godwin Derp Network, aka TGDN.

I tried making one yesterday, but these Tweets have to be grabbed and embedded as they are posted, it’s hard to collect a whole bunch at a time.

320 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:24:10am

And here we go…

321 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:24:11am

re: #318 engineer cat

“generally, i discovered that a lot of people seem to have read those web pages on common logical fallacies and mistaken them for guidelines for “debate””

So true, and really, they are just following the example of the pundits they revere.

322 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:24:38am

re: #312 jaunte

# ????

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Ignoramus. Hitler only had “one term”. Do these folks ever read a history book, or they rely on their history source as people like that colossal überignoramus David Barton?

323 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:24:41am

re: #312 jaunte

Anyone know when socialized medicine actually came to Germany? It sounds like the kind of think Bismarck would have done (leaving aside the quality of “medicine” in the 19th century) on his conservative belief that a social safety net is necessary for a stable and prosperous society.

324 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:24:54am

re: #319 Vicious Babushka

I tried making one yesterday, but these Tweets have to be grabbed and embedded as they are posted, it’s hard to collect a whole bunch at a time.

You do a Storify first?

325 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:25:10am

Hitlers 1st term went well people loved him.2nd term he socialized medicine and disarmed the citizens

yeah except actually not at all in reality

i do believe that there a two or three books that have been published on nazi germany over the decades that one could consult to learn about what actually happened in this obscure and unexamined period in 20th century history

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326 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:25:17am

re: #324 Gus

You do a Storify first?

I don’t know what that is.

327 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:26:14am

re: #323 Ian G.

Anyone know when socialized medicine actually came to Germany? It sounds like the kind of think Bismarck would have done (leaving aside the quality of “medicine” in the 19th century) on his conservative belief that a social safety net is necessary for a stable and prosperous society.

According to wiki

Germany has the world’s oldest universal health care system, dating back to Otto von Bismarck’s social legislation, which included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill of 1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889.

328 Geoff with a G  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:26:14am

re: #319 Vicious Babushka

I tried making one yesterday, but these Tweets have to be grabbed and embedded as they are posted, it’s hard to collect a whole bunch at a time.

If you were so inclined:

[Link: mashe.hawksey.info…]

329 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:26:43am

Godwin #29

330 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:26:54am

re: #323 Ian G.

Wiki:

Germany has the world’s oldest universal health care system, dating back to Otto von Bismarck’s social legislation, which included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill of 1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889.

331 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:27:08am

re: #322 Dr Lizardo

I think they’re just typing what feels good to them, and fits into their victim/justified indignation mindset. It’s disconnected from what’s really happening now or what actually happened in the past.

332 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:27:54am

Not a Godwin but WTFF?

333 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:28:12am

re: #323 Ian G.

Anyone know when socialized medicine actually came to Germany? It sounds like the kind of think Bismarck would have done (leaving aside the quality of “medicine” in the 19th century) on his conservative belief that a social safety net is necessary for a stable and prosperous society.

There’s also the point that the Iron Chancellor was doing a bit of political triangulation in that move…..by bringing forth universal health care, he undercut the socialists of that era.

334 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:28:12am

re: #327 Petero1818

According to wiki

Germany has the world’s oldest universal health care system, dating back to Otto von Bismarck’s social legislation, which included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill of 1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889.

at the time it was said that Bismark threw the socialists in jail and then stole their ideas

of course, 19th century socialism espoused such radial ideas as the 40 hour week, banning child labor, and the right of workers to join collective bargaining organizations

335 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:28:23am

re: #312 jaunte

Did Hitler even have “terms” of office? He was appointed chancellor in 1933 and quickly arranged to gain complete control of the government. By that measure, he had exactly one term of office that lasted until 1945.

336 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:28:24am

re: #318 engineer cat

my much-too-extensive experience of this was instructive in some way, although i’m not sure how exactly except perhaps as a sociological or psychoanalytic exercise

generally, i discovered that a lot of people seem to have read those web pages on common logical fallacies and mistaken them for guidelines for “debate”

My experience(s) that made me identify and then avoid these “debates” was formulated back in the 80s and 90s during college and then doing fraternity volunteer work.

Not actually discussing politics, but alcohol use, risk management, and limited resource budgeting. If you think gun control is a loaded topic, try talking underage drinking and alcohol with groups of male college students.

(And “you can pry my beer from my cold dead hands” is not the talking point you want to get to since that is exactly what you are trying to get them to avoid.)

337 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:29:18am

re: #334 engineer cat

at the time it was said that Bismark threw the socialists in jail and then stole their ideas

of course, 19th century socialism espoused such radial ideas as the 40 hour week, banning child labor, and the right of workers to join collective bargaining organizations

Socialism = The HORROR!!!

338 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:29:24am

re: #326 Vicious Babushka

I don’t know what that is.

It allows you to create a custom timeline using specific Tweets. Google it. Right now my connection is horrible.

339 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:29:43am

re: #334 engineer cat

at the time it was said that Bismark threw the socialists in jail and then stole their ideas

of course, 19th century socialism espoused such radial ideas as the 40 hour week, banning child labor, and the right of workers to join collective bargaining organizations

All ideas the current GOP seems to reject.

340 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:31:15am

re: #335 wheat-dogghazi

Did Hitler even have “terms” of office? He was appointed chancellor in 1933 and quickly arranged to gain complete control of the government. By that measure, he had exactly one term of office that lasted until 1945.

With all the crap that’s flying around on the far right, people are forgetting what a real tyranny or dictatorship is like.

341 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:31:22am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

Not a Godwin but WTFF?

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son of a “nude model”?

have to bring sexual morality and misogyny into the discussion?

That’s a logical fallacy if I ever saw one.

342 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:31:23am

re: #331 jaunte

I think they’re just typing what feels good to them, and fits into their victim/justified indignation mindset. It’s disconnected from what’s really happening now or what actually happened in the past.

The folks on the right have worked themselves into quite a state; being persecuted, GULAG’ed, forced to bow down to Emperor Palpatine Obama, and of course, let’s not forget being made to convert to Islam en masse. These folks have lost all connection to reality and developed a siege mentality of the first magnitude.

343 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:32:21am

re: #335 wheat-dogghazi

Did Hitler even have “terms” of office? He was appointed chancellor in 1933 and quickly arranged to gain complete control of the government. By that measure, he had exactly one term of office that lasted until 1945.

Yes of course. But those “facts” did not mirror Obama’s democratically elected second term so they were abandoned in favour of a fiction that made for an easily absorbed tweet.

344 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:32:36am

re: #342 Dr Lizardo

Late on my phone bill, and Verizon GULAGED me!!!

345 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:32:40am

re: #261 makeitstop

Something has snapped in the national conscience.

Yeah. A black man got elected POTUS. Twice.

346 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:34:44am

re: #342 Dr Lizardo

The folks on the right have worked themselves into quite a state; being persecuted, GULAG’ed, forced to bow down to Emperor Palpatine Obama, and of course, let’s not forget being made to convert to Islam en masse. These folks have lost all connection to reality and developed a siege mentality of the first magnitude.

They’re at the top of the heap (politically, religiously, biologically), therefore they must be constantly under attack by the lesser peoples trying to tear them down either openly or covertly.

Same old playbook. Keep the followers convinced that they are the elect and are being properly led and protected from the “other” as long as the contributions and deference continues to be made.

347 darthstar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:35:08am

Mornin’ everyone…can’t stay right now…got a phone screen with a company in a half hour. But saw this pic on Facebook and thought you’d enjoy it.

Image: 47008_539277726090937_940097462_n.jpg

348 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:35:15am

One RW Whacko™ I know on fb seems to have been just waiting for a chance to refute my Reproductive Rights posts.

I mistakenly shared a sentiment I don’t agree with. Of the hundreds or thousands of posts I made a mistake.

With stealth, he shared it as well. The first of my posts he’s shared.

Trying to show my ignorance and thinking that will refute everything I’ve said before. It’s as if not being perfect somehow negates me.

I think the “perfection” standard is pretty flawed in itself.

This person, is of course, a Christian with a Capital “c”.

ggt just shook head.

Hell wouldn’t be as fun with him in it anyway.

349 efuseakay  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:35:19am

re: #340 jaunte

With all the crap that’s flying around on the far right, people are forgetting what a real tyranny or dictatorship is like.

No. They haven’t forgotten. They are trying to desensitize the general public. That will assist in their tyranny should they ever unfortunately hold the White House again.

350 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:35:24am

re: #340 jaunte

With all the crap that’s flying around on the far right, people are forgetting what a real tyranny or dictatorship is like.

They have no fucking idea. As someone noted elsewhere here, someone who has really lived under such circumstances could clearly say there is no resemblance between our government and a tyranny/dictatorship.

351 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:35:39am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

facepalm.

And to answer the question, yes, he would have won in 2008, probably by a larger popular vote margin, because he would have gotten more support in the fever swamps of the racist right where shit like this tweet comes from.

There was a map (I don’t have the time to look for it) that showed Obama’s county-by-county vote total in comparison to John Kerry’s. The only places he did worse were in a belt stretching from West Virginia down through Arkansas. Gee, I wonder why that would be…..

352 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:36:03am

And as if by magic, Sexboat Captain James O’Keefe pops up with an example:

353 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:37:24am

re: #349 efuseakay

No. They haven’t forgotten. They are trying to desensitize the general public. That will assist in their tyranny should they ever unfortunately hold the White House again.

They don’t have a clue. They think they know on an intellectual level. They project what they would like to do if/when they get dictatoral power, but they don’t really know.

Well, I exempt some immigrants and POW’s.

They’d curl up in a ball on the floor in the corner and cry for Mommy if they ever had to live live under such a dictator—as they would be themselves.

354 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:37:25am

Looks like conservatism has morphed with the La Rouche bunch in addition to Alex Jones and other conspiracy website and the JBS.

355 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:37:27am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

Not a Godwin but WTFF?

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IF

as the ancestors back in the shtetl would say, “and if grandma had a dick she’d be grandpa”

356 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:37:33am

re: #352 jaunte

And as if by magic, Sexboat Captain James O’Keefe pops up with an example:

Journafascists = journalists who report reality
Jimmy O’Keefe = someone who creates false reality

357 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:37:34am

re: #345 Lidane

It’s what I don’t get. What the hell are they afraid of? I’ve interacted with black people my entire life. Hell, my first kiss was from a black girl at the age of six, when she chased me around the playground and finally tripped me (I guess I must’ve been a cute kid). When I lived in Berlin, I hung out with fellows from Nigeria, Cameroon, Liberia, Uganda, etc. And of course, Turks galore.

Are they afraid black people are getting to avenge themselves upon their pasty white asses? I really fail to understand it.

358 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:38:36am

Good grief, it’s everywhere.

Whole Foods CEO: Obamacare Is ‘Like Fascism’

In an interview with NPR, Whole Foods CEO and self-professed libertarian John Mackey revived his previous criticism of Obamacare — but this time, with a new twist. While Mackey incorrectly denounced the landmark health reform law as “socialism” in a controversial 2009 Wall Street Journal op-ed, the multimillionaire CEO has revised his assessment and now considers Obamacare — also incorrectly — to be closer to “fascism”:

“Technically speaking, it’s more like fascism. Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesn’t own the means of production, but they do control it, and that’s what’s happening with our healthcare programs and these reforms.”

359 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:38:50am

re: #357 Dr Lizardo

It’s what I don’t get. What the hell are they afraid of? I’ve interacted with black people my entire life. Hell, my first kiss was from a black girl at the age of six, when she chased me around the playground and finally tripped me (I guess I must’ve been a cute kid). When I lived in Berlin, I hung out with fellows from Nigeria, Cameroon, Liberia, Uganda, etc. And of course, Turks galore.

Are they afraid black people are getting to avenge themselves upon their pasty white asses? I really fail to understand it.

Fear of Slave Revolt

360 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:39:06am

Totally OT, but if you are looking for something else to totally freak you out. Worst calorie count dishes in US restaurants…..2012

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

361 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:39:48am

re: #357 Dr Lizardo

Fear of the “other.” Most if not all of these people live among only white people. They’re probably not too keen on Chinese and other Asians, too, but for different reasons.

362 gwangung  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:40:45am

re: #361 wheat-dogghazi

Fear of the “other.” Most if not all of these people live among only white people. They’re probably not too keen on Chinese and other Asians, too, but for different reasons.

They’re fine with us when we buy the same things and watch the same shows. But if we start talking in Chinese, or buy “ethnic” foods….

363 Ian G.  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:42:03am

re: #358 jaunte

Mackey is an idiot. I work in the food industry, so I had the misfortune of hearing him speak at a conference shortly after election day this past November. It was mostly an incoherent rant about how businesspeople are unfairly demonized by the government and “intellectuals”.

Fuck Whole Foods. It’s overpriced. I’ll go to Trader Joe’s any day of the week.

364 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:42:10am
365 dragonath  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:42:16am

re: #354 Gus

Looks like conservatism has morphed with the La Rouche bunch in addition to Alex Jones and other conspiracy website and the JBS.

Th LaRouchies had a “Democrats against Obama” banner in my town common. Fear the mighty Lyndon!

366 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:42:38am

re: #363 Ian G.

He was a dick in high school, and he’s still a dick.

367 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:42:45am

Hitlers 1st term went well people loved him.2nd term he socialized medicine and disarmed the citizens

reality:

hitler’s first few years went well - he banned all independent unions and restricted workers’ rights. in his second four years he liberalized gun laws and cozied up to all the big industrialists

368 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:42:59am

re: #362 gwangung

Like soy sauce and tofu, I’ll bet. Radical stuff like that.

369 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:43:21am



370 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:43:28am

re: #362 gwangung

They’re fine with us when we buy the same things and watch the same shows. But if we start talking in Chinese, or buy “ethnic” foods….

I’m the one that tries to get you to teach me your language.

It’s so frustrating because I can’t “hear” the vowel sounds. Drives me up the wall.

371 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:43:41am

re: #364 jaunte

what a freaking drama queen.

372 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:44:10am

re: #361 wheat-dogghazi

Fear of the “other.” Most if not all of these people live among only white people. They’re probably not too keen on Chinese and other Asians, too, but for different reasons.

How dreadfully boring these people’s lives must be. I’ve traveled the world (thanks, TEFL Certificate!) and lived all over. I love it. I enjoy meeting people from everywhere. I love cities like Istanbul, Aleppo (before it was blown to shit, at least), Kampala, Ho Chi Minh City, Tokyo, Beijing, Cairo, etc.

What is there to be afraid of? We’re all human beings. Sure, people live differently, and what of it?

Or is it that they simply cannot wrap their little provincial minds around things that are “different”?

373 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:44:40am

re: #363 Ian G.

Mackey is an idiot. I work in the food industry, so I had the misfortune of hearing him speak at a conference shortly after election day this past November. It was mostly an incoherent rant about how businesspeople are unfairly demonized by the government and “intellectuals”.

Fuck Whole Foods. It’s overpriced. I’ll go to Trader Joe’s any day of the week.

Whole Foods (by me) has the best deli. It’s the only place I can go and get enough food that I can eat to last the whole week.

374 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:44:59am

re: #370 FemNaziBitch

I’m the one that tries to get you to teach me your language.

It’s so frustrating because I can’t “hear” the vowel sounds. Drives me up the wall.

You mean the tones? Took me a while, too. Reproducing them reliably is my next job.

375 Jolo5309  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:45:05am

re: #254 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey, Lizards - prayers, positive waves, happy thoughts what ever you do please. We’ve had no income since thanksgiving when my wife’s in home nursing care client passed away. Now, though, she has an interview tomorrow for a RN position and I’ll be interviewing next week for a half time book keeping and access database creating position.

Any help is good help :)

Thanks!

Good luck!

376 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:47:07am

re: #372 Dr Lizardo

How dreadfully boring these people’s lives must be. I’ve traveled the world (thanks, TEFL Certificate!) and lived all over. I love it. I enjoy meeting people from everywhere. I love cities like Istanbul, Aleppo (before it was blown to shit, at least), Kampala, Ho Chi Minh City, Tokyo, Beijing, Cairo, etc.

What is there to be afraid of? We’re all human beings. Sure, people live differently, and what of it?

Or is it that they simply cannot wrap their little provincial minds around things that are “different”?

I grew-up in a Metropolitan area and get the creeps when I’m surrounded by only white people. Seems so wrong to me.

I’ve found that, among most Americans, I am an anomaly. Especially since my main experiences with non-whites (neighbors and friends) growing up was with Arab-Americans. Homemade Bakalava -mmmmmmmmmm!

377 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:47:16am

re: #370 FemNaziBitch

I’m the one that tries to get you to teach me your language.

It’s so frustrating because I can’t “hear” the vowel sounds. Drives me up the wall.

Tones are tough. I worked in Beijing off and on for years. It took a long time for me to get the tonal difference between the word for chicken and the word for prostitute. I can’t tell you how many times I ordered the spicy peanut hooker in a restaurant./

378 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:47:16am

Godwin #30

379 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:48:29am

re: #372 Dr Lizardo

How dreadfully boring these people’s lives must be. I’ve traveled the world (thanks, TEFL Certificate!) and lived all over. I love it. I enjoy meeting people from everywhere. I love cities like Istanbul, Aleppo (before it was blown to shit, at least), Kampala, Ho Chi Minh City, Tokyo, Beijing, Cairo, etc.

What is there to be afraid of? We’re all human beings. Sure, people live differently, and what of it?

Or is it that they simply cannot wrap their little provincial minds around things that are “different”?

I would bet some of them have never left their home county, and most their state, much less visit another country.

TEFL, huh? Did you do a certificate program, or go to university to get it?

380 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:48:33am

re: #374 wheat-dogghazi

You mean the tones? Took me a while, too. Reproducing them reliably is my next job.

I’ve always been horrible with auditory stuff. I do better seeing it written phonetically and learning how the tongue should be placed —etc.

381 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:49:46am

Godwin #31

382 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:50:01am

re: #358 jaunte

Good grief, it’s everywhere.

Whole Foods CEO: Obamacare Is ‘Like Fascism’

WTF does an insurance company “produce”?

383 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:50:05am

re: #380 FemNaziBitch

Can you sing or play music? It’ll help. We use tones in English, but usually not on each syllable. We use tones on sentences, questions, exclamation, etc.

384 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:50:26am

re: #382 Eventual Carrion

He’s just babbling.

385 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:50:41am

A Vietnamese American friend said that Americans swallow their words.

I still haven’t figured-out what she meant by that.

But, I can now say “Thank-you” in Vietnamese without her laughing at the result.

386 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:51:24am

re: #376 FemNaziBitch

I grew-up in a Metropolitan area and get the creeps when I’m surrounded by only white people. Seems so wrong to me.

I’ve found that, among most Americans, I am an anomaly. Especially since my main experiences with non-whites (neighbors and friends) growing up was with Arab-Americans. Homemade Bakalava -mmmmmmmmmm!

I know among my white friends/acquaintances in Portland, OR, I’m practically the reincarnation of Ernest Hemingway (for my lifestyle and travels), and some of them consider me “suspect” for having been all over and hanging around so many different types of people. It makes them……”nervous”, as one of them put it.

And a couple of them are convinced I am, in reality, Jason Bourne.

387 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:51:32am

Fuck the NRA!

388 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:52:17am

re: #379 wheat-dogghazi

I would bet some of them have never left their home county, and most their state, much less visit another country.

TEFL, huh? Did you do a certificate program, or go to university to get it?

I did a certificate program in Prague. One month, and good to go. It was about $1200-1300 or so back in 2001.

389 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:52:24am

re: #383 wheat-dogghazi

Can you sing or play music? It’ll help. We use tones in English, but usually not on each syllable. We use tones on sentences, questions, exclamation, etc.

No to music. I am heavily tilted towards the Visual Arts.

Sometimes, I think I could lose my hearing and be just fine.

390 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:52:41am

President and VP speaking now on gun control.

391 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:52:54am

re: #385 FemNaziBitch

We blur our words together. Chinese (and maybe Vietnamese) say. each. word. separately. Teaching my Chinese students to connect their words together is an uphill battle, because I am combatting 15+ years of their education in spoken Mandarin.

392 Mattand  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:53:16am

re: #358 jaunte

Good grief, it’s everywhere.

Whole Foods CEO: Obamacare Is ‘Like Fascism’

So much for the “Whole Foods is a hippy hell-hole” meme.

393 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:53:30am

re: #377 Petero1818

Tones are tough. I worked in Beijing off and on for years. It took a long time for me to get the tonal difference between the word for chicken and the word for prostitute. I can’t tell you how many times I ordered the spicy peanut hooker in a restaurant./

Hey, if the price is right!

394 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:54:17am

re: #388 Dr Lizardo

I’ve heard of it. I might give it a go some summer holiday.

395 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:54:20am

[Link: www.c-span.org…]

396 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:54:24am

re: #379 wheat-dogghazi

I would bet some of them have never left their home county, and most their state, much less visit another country.

TEFL, huh? Did you do a certificate program, or go to university to get it?

I know a gal in Lake Oswego, Oregon who’s most exotic trip EVER was to Portland, Oregon for dinner at The House of Louie (a Chinese restaurant).

397 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:54:43am

These rwnjs are absolutely clueless.

Obama’s such a dictator that he’s got to propose legislation that will be watered down to nothingness by the House GOP and has to go through long established legislative and judicial review channels.

After all, even if he agrees with Congress to enact a law on firearms, those same laws are subject to judicial review and a potential decision by the US Supreme Court finding the law unconstitutional that would essentially void the law’s effect.

Civics are completely beyond these people. US government and history are beyond these people. They are beyond reasoning with at this point.

398 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:55:13am

re: #394 wheat-dogghazi

I recommend it. And there’s plenty of work to be had in Prague as well as an English teacher.

399 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:57:24am

re: #271 jaunte

Joe Scarborough On New NRA Ad Politicizing Protection For Obama’s Kids:
“This Extremism Is So Frightening And Over The Line”
[Link: mediamatters.org…]

I just watched this. Scarborough looks like he wants to throw up after seeing that ad. I can’t say I blame him.

The NRA are absolutely a fringe group now. They’re insane.

400 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:57:39am

re: #392 Mattand

So much for the “Whole Foods is a hippy hell-hole” meme.

They market themselves well to the yuppie segment. I vastly prefer Trader Joe’s.

401 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:58:02am

re: #399 Lidane

The NRA are absolutely a fringe group now. They’re insane.

Ted Nugent, Board Member.

402 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:58:57am

re: #392 Mattand

So much for the “Whole Foods is a hippy hell-hole” meme.

Their CEO is a Libertarian and a fanboy of both Ayn Rand and Ludwig von Mises. He’s a crank.

403 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:59:04am

re: #401 jaunte

Ted Nugent, Board Member.

Ted “Pants-Shitter” Nugent. Enough said.

That is all.

404 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:59:09am
405 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:59:50am
406 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:01:04am

re: #400 Feline Fearless Leader

They market themselves well to the yuppie segment. I vastly prefer Trader Joe’s.

We don’t have Trader Joe’s in Austin yet. They open this year.

I prefer Central Market myself. They’re Texas only, since they’re an offshoot of the Texas-only chain HEB.

407 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:02:16am
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant
data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance
Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making
information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check
system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from
having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background
check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on
how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety
Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns
recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it
widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper
training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to
research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective
use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop
innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients
about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits
them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and
institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health
services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements
within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

408 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:03:02am

“The president on Wednesday will nominate Byron Todd Jones, the acting director for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, to take over the post permanently.”

409 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:03:08am

This is the President’s list of 23 planned executive orders:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

410 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:03:49am

I don’t follow her either, because I think she has a tendency to hyperventilate. It was retweeted by somebody I do follow.

When you’ve lost the hyperventilaters….

411 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:04:37am
412 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:05:01am

re: #406 Lidane

We don’t have Trader Joe’s in Austin yet. They open this year.

I prefer Central Market myself. They’re Texas only, since they’re an offshoot of the Texas-only chain HEB.

I have a Trader Joe’s in walking distance (~5 blocks), local produce stores (Center City Philadelphia), and I tend to hit one of the big suburban Wegman’s every other weekend for other items. A combination that I am pretty happy with.

413 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:05:34am

Legislative agenda:

Obama asked Congress to reinstate and strengthen the assault weapons ban and to impose a 10-round limit on ammunition magazines. He also called on Congress to require criminal background checks for all gun sales.

Congress should also approve a law against so-called “straw purchasing” of guns, and authorize new funding for gun violence research, mental health efforts, and a program that would place mental health counselors and police officers in schools. In total, the White House estimates that the president’s requests would total “in the neighborhood” of $500 million in the coming fiscal year.

The extensive proposals do not include any calls for restrictions on video games or violent films, which some have argued are a contributing factor. But it would have the Centers for Disease Control study violence in the media.

Much of Obama’s plan is expected to meet resistance on Capitol Hill — from both parties.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) suggested this week that he won’t bring an assault weapons ban to the floor.

But Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday that he’ll hold a gun violence hearings on Jan. 30. The Vermont Democrat singled out background checks, mental health policies and anti-trafficking measures as areas of particular interest.

414 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:05:50am

Another chance for the Republican controlled House to say fuck you to America.

415 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:06:04am

They left out

24) Repeal 2nd Amendment, confiscate all guns, put all those who resist into FEMA reindocrination caps run by LGBT secularist Islamists.

416 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:06:06am

Bedtime for us folks in China. See you all later!

417 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:06:10am

President Obama ~ We dont benefit from ignorance

speaking to the NRA blocking of funding for gun violence studies

418 Skip Intro  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:06:34am

re: #401 jaunte

Ted Nugent, Board Member.

Grover Norquist, Board Member

419 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:06:40am

Ha! Obama invokes Reagan. ‘Splodey heads everywhere!

420 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:07:11am

re: #417 blueraven

President Obama ~ We dont benefit from ignorance

speaking to the NRA blocking of funding for gun violence studies

The GOP seems to benefit from ignorance, or at least its spokespersons sure act that way.

421 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:07:11am

re: #417 blueraven

President Obama ~ We dont benefit from ignorance

speaking to the NRA blocking of funding for gun violence studies

No, that was in regarding the study of video games.

422 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:07:18am

re: #419 makeitstop

That’s not the Reagan you’re looking for /Darth Obama

423 iossarian  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:07:20am
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

Great. The solution to nutjobs thinking it’s OK for everyone to be armed to the teeth at all times is to train elementary school teachers to deal with the problem.

What a load of crap.

424 Geoff with a G  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:07:28am

ZOMG…Obummer invoked REAGAN!!!!!!1111

425 erik_t  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:07:31am

I think this may be my cue to finally rid myself of Facebook. It, um…. just got ugly.

426 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:07:51am
427 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:07:55am

Invoking St. Reagan. Wingnuts heads are going to explode.

428 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:08:04am

ZING! President Obama cited former President Reagan’s support for the 1994 AWB. BWAHAHAHAHA!

Cry wingnuts! Your beloved Saint Ronnie just pwned you from beyond the grave!

429 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:08:11am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

No, that was in regarding the study of video games.

It was both

430 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:09:43am

Going in on the ‘tyranny’ crowd. That’s my preznit.

431 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:09:45am

Yes! President Obama just pwned the RW media and lobbyists!

432 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:12:00am


433 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:13:05am
434 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:13:28am

re: #409 lawhawk

This is the President’s list of 23 planned executive orders:

I think the EOs are listed as “Issue a Presidential Memorandum.”

435 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:13:50am
436 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:14:14am

Wow. Brilliant turn on the ‘Constitutional rights being denied’ argument. Brilliant.

437 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:14:33am

Good morning/afternoon lizards!

Bad news coming out of Algeria…al Qaeda says they kidnapped 41 people including 7 Americans.

Paged:
Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field

438 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:15:07am

RWNJ’s espouse huge support for cops and law enforcement. Exactly who they will be shooting at when Obamitler comes for their guns.

439 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:15:17am
440 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:16:20am
441 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:16:47am

I think he nailed it.

Probably the most important speech Obama’s ever delivered.

442 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:17:54am

re: #441 FemNaziBitch

I think he nailed it.

Probably the most important speech Obama’s ever delivered.

Indeed. His invoking St. Ronnie is sure to make the RWNJ’s shriek to the high heavens. Brilliant.

443 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:18:56am

re: #425 erik_t

I think this may be my cue to finally rid myself of Facebook. It, um…. just got ugly.

I had an encounter with a guy posting on my brother’s page, or whatever they call it. It started out to be about gun control, but this guy started posting links to wingnut sites about how dangerous Muslims are. I gave him some push-back, so he implied, no, he said I was ignorant, and he referenced Robert Spencer. I told him he doesn’t know what I have read and where I have been, and I kept pushing back, and my brother ended up blocking him. I doubt I changed the mind of the bigot, but I may have educated my brother in the process.

And today another brother posted this gem:

It’s hardly news that pro cycling is rampant in the doping world.

444 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:18:57am
445 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:19:17am

Not seeing any EOs. He has issued three Presidential memorandums:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

Presidential memorandum

A presidential memorandum is a type of presidential order issued by the President of the United States to the executive branch of the United States government. Presidential memoranda do not have an established process for issuance or publication. Presidential memoranda are generally considered less prestigious than executive orders.

446 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:19:37am
447 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:19:53am

And now, fellow lizards, let’s brace ourselves for the superepicbutthurt and shrill shrieking soon to emerge from the wingnuts.

448 Geoff with a G  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:21:12am
449 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:22:08am

re: #443 wrenchwench

And another other brother linked to this:

“Fantastic” New Flying Frog Found—Has Flappy Forearms

Image: new-species-helens-flying-frog_63112_600x450.jpg

450 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:22:41am
451 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:23:04am
452 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:23:40am
453 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:23:41am

re: #449 wrenchwench

And another other brother linked to this:

“Fantastic” New Flying Frog Found—Has Flappy Forearms

Image: new-species-helens-flying-frog_63112_600x450.jpg

Good photo. Looks like he’s saying, “I fly, bitchez. What about you?”

454 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:25:42am
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

How does that play with the moratorium on research on “gun control” that seems to have hampered such in the past?

455 blueraven  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:27:09am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

No, that was in regarding the study of video games.

Here, read this

A little-known kibosh on government research into the public health effects of gun violence is expected to be lifted after President Barack Obama called Wednesday for renewed scientific inquiry — and funding — to address the problem.

Obama issued a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other scientific agencies to research the causes and prevention of gun violence — and he called on Congress to provide $10 million to pay for it.

“We don’t benefit from ignorance. We don’t benefit from not knowing the science from this epidemic of violence,” he said.

The move effectively reverses 17 years of what scientists say has been a virtual ban on basic federal research and is part of a package of new gun control policies aimed at reducing gun violence after tragedies such as the shootings last year in Aurora, Colo., and Newtown, Conn. It would encourage research including links between video games, media images and violence.

The action immediately was praised by scientists who said pro-gun advocates — including the National Rifle Association — had choked off funding for CDC firearms research starting in the mid-1990s and imposed a chilling effect on those who dared to pursue it.

[…]

[Link: vitals.nbcnews.com…]

456 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:27:42am

Unless they meant “Executive Order” instead of “Presidential Memorandum.” The two aren’t the same. Executive orders can’t be used for a “proposal.”

457 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:28:28am

Go to the link and enjoy the read.

458 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:29:34am
459 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:31:10am
460 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:31:18am

re: #423 iossarian

Great. The solution to nutjobs thinking it’s OK for everyone to be armed to the teeth at all times is to train elementary school teachers to deal with the problem.

What a load of crap.

umm, no. That is not what those two items mean.

“School Resource Officers” are on-duty police for schools. They get additional tasking and training peculiar to their duty station.

“Emergency plans” means: identifying when to lock doors and hide or use evacuation routes, what those routes are, how to locate and pass along location of shooter(s), who if anyone should confront and how (if you’ve got a trained negotiator on premises, for example - some schools do), and so forth. If your school allows armed teachers then part of the plan will be priorities for those teachers - get the kids out or put them behind barricades and stand ready or go hunt the shooter down (Yes the last is stupid. But it’s a question to ask and answer as part of planning.)

461 erik_t  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:32:44am

re: #459 Lidane

@JuddLegum If launching “a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign” isn’t ground for impeachment, I don’t know what

Well, um, probably for “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors”.

You know, like the Constitution says.

462 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:34:37am

I had to go and do a bunch of actual work. How many Godwins did I miss?

463 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:35:02am

Those aren’t executive orders.

464 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:35:59am
465 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:36:09am

re: #454 FemNaziBitch

How does that play with the moratorium on research on “gun control” that seems to have hampered such in the past?

from the release:

END THE FREEZE ON GUN VIOLENCE RESEARCH: There are approximately 30,000 firearm-related homicides and suicides a year, a number large enough to make clear this is a public health crisis. But for years, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and other scientific agencies have been barred by Congress from using funds to “advocate or promote gun control,” and some members of Congress have claimed this prohibition also bans the CDC from conducting any research on the causes of gun violence. However, research on gun violence is not advocacy; it is critical public health research that gives all Americans information they need.

 Conduct research on the causes and prevention of gun violence, including links between video games, media images, and violence: The President is issuing a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control and scientific agencies to conduct research into the causes and prevention of gun violence. It is based on legal analysis that concludes such research is not prohibited by any appropriations language. The CDC will start immediately by assessing existing strategies for preventing gun violence and identifying the most pressing research questions, with the greatest potential public health impact. And the Administration is calling on Congress to provide $10 million for the CDC to conduct further research, including investigating the relationship between video games, media images, and violence.

 Better understand how and when firearms are used in violent death: To research gun violence prevention, we also need better data. When firearms are used in homicides or suicides, the National Violent Death Reporting System collects anonymous data, including the type of firearm used, whether the firearm was stored loaded or locked, and details on youth gun access. Congress should invest an additional $20 million to expand this system from the 18 states currently participating to all 50 states, helping Americans better understand how and when firearms are used in a violent death and informing future research and prevention strategies.

466 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:36:20am

Fox News wastes no time cranking up the fear factor.

467 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:36:48am

The derp squad over at blogmockracy seem to be confused about the difference between an Executive Order and a Presidential Memorandum.

“The EOs are just a pile of horseshit. Nothing real about them.”

“O/T Comrade zero has made excersizing your rights under the 2nd Amendment a medical issue as one of this EOs”

DoD is just getting started.

Rumor has it that he will be surrounded by children.
He’s surrounded by men armed with automatic weapons of war.
Thus he is exposing those poor children to evil gun rayz that cause mass murder, much as he exposes his poor daughters to the dangers of their private school, which is also home to armed men.
This is intolerable.
When and if President Obama signs his Pro-Rapist Pro-Fascist Act of 2013, he needs to be surrounded by cheering criminals and photos of other fans of all-powerful government, such as once-favored philosopher Mao Xedong. But he needs to leave the kids he’s abandoning to them out of the picture, just like the ones he voted to leave in closets with scissors stuck in their skulls

Who’s gonna be surrounded by children? Harry Reid? He’s never denied having a thang for boys, you know.

468 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:37:14am

re: #307 Feline Fearless Leader

Isn’t the conservative motto “The future is yesterday”?

I think this is the motto the people who claim the mantle of conservative.

469 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:37:27am

MS Gov to Obama: Buzz off

470 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:37:53am

POTUS couldn’t have been more clear.

He basically said, he could sign all the directives he wanted, but nothing would happen without the volition of the American People.

Yes, that would be the sentiment of a tyrant.

Pretend that last part is in purple Comic Sans.

471 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:38:41am

HOLY CRAP SECRET SERVICE BETTER KEEP AN EYE ON THIS:

472 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:38:43am

re: #469 dragonfire1981

MS Gov to Obama: Buzz off

It’s Mississippi. It’s like America’s tapeworm. Just leave them be.

473 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:38:48am
474 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:39:11am

re: #469 dragonfire1981

MS Gov to Obama: Buzz off

Vote mongering?

Trying to appease certain political contributors?

Mostly, I think it is fluff.

475 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:40:03am

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

HOLY CRAP SECRET SERVICE BETTER KEEP AN EYE ON THIS:

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Secret Service has to be having institutional panic attacks.

476 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:41:36am

re: #475 FemNaziBitch

Secret Service has to be having institutional panic attacks.

Actually, probably not. Sure, it’s probably higher on the watch scale than it was this time last year, but it’s not like this is a surprise.

477 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:42:10am

re: #475 FemNaziBitch

I really feel for the SS guys. The past 4 years must have been pretty hectic and now thanks to Fox, Beck, et al the next 4 will be even worse.

478 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:42:12am

re: #475 FemNaziBitch

Secret Service has to be having institutional panic attacks.

The only comparable I have is the security force in charge of protecting Mandela when he got elected and how much bullshit they must have had to endure.

479 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:42:26am

re: #472 Ghost of Tom Joad

It’s Mississippi. It’s like America’s tapeworm. Just leave them be.

Well, I live here so no can do.

480 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:43:04am

Godwin #32

481 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:43:16am

re: #440 Lidane

Mat Staver says that if guns are banned, those bent on destruction will just construct fertilizer bombs instead: bit.ly/13DELpF

— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) January 16, 2013

I think sale of large volumes of fertilizer are more regulated than guns.

482 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:43:20am

re: #479 dragonfire1981

Well, I live here so no can do.

Yikes, did you lose a bet?

Sorry :- didn’t mean to dump on your home.

483 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:43:25am

re: #476 kirkspencer

Actually, probably not. Sure, it’s probably higher on the watch scale than it was this time last year, but it’s not like this is a surprise.

Well, I know they don’t hire the nervous-type.

484 erik_t  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:43:26am

re: #477 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I really feel for the SS guys. The past 4 years must have been pretty hectic and now thanks to Fox, Beck, et al the next 4 will be even worse.

I suspect what really keeps the Secret Service up at night is out-of-the-blue randomness, the sort of stuff they can’t predict or forecast.

This would, to put it lightly, not fall under those categories.

485 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:43:44am

It’s funny how they think killing Obama with a gun will suddenly make everything better. Because of course there’s no way Joe Biden would bother with gun control after something like that.

486 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:43:59am

re: #482 Ghost of Tom Joad

Yikes, did you lose a bet?

Sorry :- didn’t mean to dump on your home.

It is very pretty country.

487 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:44:55am

Godwin #33

488 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:45:10am

re: #485 dragonfire1981

It’s funny how they think killing Obama with a gun will suddenly make everything better. Because of course there’s no way Joe Biden would bother with gun control after something like that.

Well, if they got both, Captain Orange of the leaky eyes would be in charge.

489 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:45:14am

re: #462 Vicious Babushka

I had to go and do a bunch of actual work. How many Godwins did I miss?

10^27

490 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:45:20am
491 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:46:19am

re: #490 Lidane

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I’m expecting a Blankfeinian quote from one of them soon; “We’re doing God’s work.”

492 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:46:44am

re: #490 Lidane

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But you know, the American Civil Liberties Union are a bunch of commie bastards

493 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:46:48am

re: #485 dragonfire1981

It’s funny how they think killing Obama with a gun will suddenly make everything better. Because of course there’s no way Joe Biden would bother with gun control after something like that.

A major stress window is the inauguration, what with both of them having to be in fairly close proximity and (at least notionally) in the open.

On MLK day, no less - given the focus some of these people seem to have on anniversaries and significant dates.

494 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:46:49am

He and Biden were great with the kids.

I don’t think it was overplayed. I think it was done FOR the kids.

495 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:46:55am

re: #480 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #32

Sam the Patriot

I am Sam.
Sam I am.
I’m an asshole
Yes, I am.

496 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:47:12am

re: #376 FemNaziBitch

I grew-up in a Metropolitan area and get the creeps when I’m surrounded by only white people. Seems so wrong to me.

I’ve found that, among most Americans, I am an anomaly. Especially since my main experiences with non-whites (neighbors and friends) growing up was with Arab-Americans. Homemade Bakalava -mmmmmmmmmm!

It’s the same with me here in Toronto.

When I went to visit my wife in a Southern town (It claims to be a city but to me it’s a town) I was amazed at how segregated it was, and more than a little uncomfortable.

497 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:47:19am

re: #491 Ghost of Tom Joad

I’m expecting a Blankfeinian quote from one of them soon; “We’re doing God’s work.”

Why does G-d need anyone to do his work?

498 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:47:57am

I fully expect a crazed Dutch anarchist to set fire to the Congress Building, prompting Obama to push through an Empowerment Act and start imprisoning all his political opponents.

Seems the only logical outcome of recent events.

/

499 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:49:40am
500 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:49:57am

re: #497 FemNaziBitch

What does God need a starship for? /

501 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:49:58am

Godwin #33

502 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:50:02am

I think the president ought to issue an executive order requiring that anyone attempting to purchase a firearm must be able to pass a high school-level 20th century history test.

503 jaunte  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:50:15am
504 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:50:31am

re: #501 Vicious Babushka

Now they’re invoking Al Gore? Hahahaha.

505 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:51:00am

re: #503 jaunte

506 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:51:32am

Acutally, most of the gun nutz I know fear that Obama is a target. They are more than aware what that would for the 2nd Amendment. They also (most of them) remember the race riots of the past.

It’s a big part o the reason they gun up.

507 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:51:45am

re: #504 Lidane

Now they’re invoking Al Gore? Hahahaha.

Really when you think of the three worst people of the 20th century, you think of Hitler, Stalin, and Al Gore.

508 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:52:29am

re: #501 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #33

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Well, if the shoe fits the parents … . .

Honestly, I’ve met some of the parents and pray they don’t ruin their children.

509 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:52:53am

re: #507 HappyWarrior

Really when you think of the three worst people of the 20th century, you think of Hitler, Stalin, and Al Gore.

Have to have Gore in there. He created Global Warming to destroy the planet in order to get rich!//

510 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:53:04am

The smell of Godwin in the early afternoon.

511 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:53:42am
512 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:53:47am

re: #509 Ghost of Tom Joad

Have to have Gore in there. He created Global Warming to destroy the planet in order to get rich!//

Haha yes!

513 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:54:14am

re: #496 Romantic Heretic

It’s the same with me here in Toronto.

When I went to visit my wife in a Southern town (It claims to be a city but to me it’s a town) I was amazed at how segregated it was, and more than a little uncomfortable.

We are blessed in Toronto to live in one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. There is a ton of good things that come from that. Tolerance is perhaps first on the list, access to good, interesting food is pretty high up there too.

514 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:54:35am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

The smell of Godwin in the early afternoon.

I love that smell in the morning.

515 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:54:53am

Godwin #34

516 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:55:14am

re: #513 Petero1818

We are blessed in Toronto to live in one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. There is a ton of good things that come from that. Tolerance is perhaps first on the list, access to good, interesting food is pretty high up there too.

Strangely, when I was in Toronto, I thought it wasn’t as good as Chicago in regards to food.

517 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:55:44am

The reality is that Obama will be unable to act through congress as long as the two chambers are split. No gun control measure will get through the House under GOP control.

518 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:56:00am
519 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:56:38am

Why am I now thinking that all these dumbfucks who are tweeting about Hitler would love to create concentrations camps for pregnant women in order to make sure they can’t get abortions?

520 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:56:49am

re: #516 FemNaziBitch

Strangely, when I was in Toronto, I thought it wasn’t as good as Chicago in regards to food.

Depends on where you go. I’ve had some really great food in T.O. , but some craptacular stuff as well. I would rate Ottawa, Montreal and Quebec City as far better Canadian destinations for food.

521 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:57:35am

re: #519 Vicious Babushka

Why am I now thinking that all these dumbfucks who are tweeting about Hitler would love to create concentrations camps for pregnant women in order to make sure they can’t get abortions?

Just projecting what they themselves would do with unlimited power.

522 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:57:55am

re: #518 Lidane

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If you need 30 bullets to hit a deer, you’re a terrible hunter.

523 Geoff with a G  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:58:10am

re: #511 Lidane

@LOLGOP
SHORTER OBAMA: I am the President of the United States of America and I am cloaked in great power. But call your f*cking congressperson.

You know who else wanted you to call your congressperson?

524 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:58:49am

re: #516 FemNaziBitch

Strangely, when I was in Toronto, I thought it wasn’t as good as Chicago in regards to food.

Well it is all about local knowledge I suppose and what you are looking for. Chicago is a good food city. No doubt. But I rank Toronto ahead of it but behind New York and LA.
Toronto should be better than it is particularly in some areas. But for sheer breadth of choices (particularly ethnic based choices that are authentic) it is pretty hard to touch Toronto in North America outside of New York.

525 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:58:50am

re: #519 Vicious Babushka

Why am I now thinking that all these dumbfucks who are tweeting about Hitler would love to create concentrations camps for pregnant women in order to make sure they can’t get abortions?

What? You didn’t know oppressing people is ok so long as it’s in the name of God?

526 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:59:22am

re: #517 dragonfire1981

The reality is that Obama will be unable to act through congress as long as the two chambers are split. No gun control measure will get through the House under GOP control.

Not so sure about that. Two indicators:

a) In NY state a number of republicans voted for it, and more allowed it to come to the floor even though they voted against. Basically, when the majority of your constituents tell you to do something, you tend to do it.

b) with that in mind I point to the fact the GOP has broken the Hastert rule twice now. The Hastert rule is the (informal) rule that the Speaker not bring a bill to the floor unless a majority of his own party approves it (either does or can be arm-twisted to say they do.)

I don’t think all of the items will get to and through congress, but I think we’ll see some of them.

527 erik_t  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:59:32am

re: #522 dragonfire1981

If you need 30 bullets to hit a deer, you’re a terrible hunter.

Or you need 30 bullets to kill a deer, and in that case I recommend you try not to get on this particular deer’s bad side in the first place.

528 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:59:50am

re: #522 dragonfire1981

If you need 30 bullets to hit a deer, you’re a terrible hunter.

Seriously. That’s why I laugh at the people who swear they need a high capacity magazine for deer hunting. If it takes you that much ammo to shoot a deer, you’ve got no business in a deer blind.

529 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:00:15am

re: #520 dragonfire1981

Depends on where you go. I’ve had some really great food, but some craptacular stuff as well. I would rate Ottawa, Montreal and Quebec City as far better Canadian destinations for food.

So would I.

I spent my first honeymoon in Quebec City. I can still taste the food (in a good way).

But Toronto is my home. I love it here.

530 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:00:48am

re: #528 Lidane

Seriously. That’s why I laugh at the people who swear they need a high capacity magazine for deer hunting. If it takes you that much ammo to shoot a deer, you’ve got no business in a deer blind.

Old men like the high capacity for target practice because their fingers don’t work as well as they used to. 10 rounds should be enough, really.

531 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:00:52am

I like how we hear “Guns aren’t dangerous” and then “We need guns to protect ourselves from the government.” So which is it?

532 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:01:17am

re: #527 erik_t

Or you need 30 bullets to kill a deer, and in that case I recommend you try not to get on this particular deer’s bad side in the first place.

What if you are faced with a deer tent invasion?

533 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:01:20am

re: #519 Vicious Babushka

Why am I now thinking that all these dumbfucks who are tweeting about Hitler would love to create concentrations camps for pregnant women in order to make sure they can’t get abortions?

Most of these people would check off every box in the ‘Crazy Conservative Beliefs’ checklist. Women-hating, racist, bigoted, stupid, anti-education, you name it.

Guns are just their current hill to die on.

534 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:01:22am

But if they take yer gunz, it’s tyranny:

535 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:01:32am

re: #531 HappyWarrior

I like how we hear “Guns aren’t dangerous” and then “We need guns to protect ourselves from the government.” So which is it?

I’ve never heard that “Gun’s aren’t dangerous”.

536 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:01:43am

re: #529 Romantic Heretic

So would I.

I spent my first honeymoon in Quebec City. I can still taste the food (in a good way).

But Toronto is my home. I love it here.

My wife and I visited Quebec on a trip back to Canada last year. Some of the best food we had was at a place called Paillard down in the old city. Had a ham croissant to die for and a phenomenal chocolate desert for a total cost of about $9.

537 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:02:06am

re: #534 Lidane

But if they take yer gunz, it’s tyranny:

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Maybe the pastor can go undercover, I’m sure a sexually repressed sob like that has experience.

538 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:02:17am

re: #520 dragonfire1981

Depends on where you go. I’ve had some really great food in T.O. , but some craptacular stuff as well. I would rate Ottawa, Montreal and Quebec City as far better Canadian destinations for food.

Wow. Ottawa, and Quebec City as better for food than Toronto? HAve to disagree with that. Montreal certainly ranks, and in particular with those 3 you would have to be talking about regional food in particular.

There is tons of shit food in Toronto. There is tons of mediocre food in Toronto. There are a few exceptional restaurants in toronto and quite a few good ones. But in particular when seeking diversity in the offerings Toronto tops all of Canada. Vancouver has its share most notably Asian and sub continent fare but again not as much total diversity.

539 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:03:02am

re: #535 FemNaziBitch

I’ve never heard that “Gun’s aren’t dangerous”.

Not that directly but haven’t you heard the nimwits who dismiss their danger by comparing them to “ping pongs” and credit cards?

540 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:03:31am

re: #526 kirkspencer

It’s possible that the rule extending background checks might make it to the House floor for consideration. It might even pass.

But I don’t see the AWB being picked up in the House beyond committee.

From a safety standpoint, the background check rule would prevent more crime than the AWB - though AWBs make up a substantial portion of these mass casualty attacks.

Closing loopholes and increasing enforcement/prosecutions would improve public safety and realistically shouldn’t be the kind of issue that is all that controversial, but for the guy proposing it.

541 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:03:42am

re: #532 Sol Berdinowitz

What if you are faced with a deer tent invasion?

Nobody expected the antlered quadriped Inquisition!

542 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:04:43am

re: #539 HappyWarrior

Not that directly but haven’t you heard the nimwits who dismiss their danger by comparing them to “ping pongs” and credit cards?

Actually, I haven’t.

I hear more than Humans are dangerous and guns are to be respected as the weapons they are. Yes, they are inanimate objects, yet they are always loaded.

543 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:04:48am

re: #519 Vicious Babushka

Why am I now thinking that all these dumbfucks who are tweeting about Hitler would love to create concentrations camps for pregnant women in order to make sure they can’t get abortions?

I’m sick of seeing Hitler mentioned by both sides. These people need to grow the fuck up.

544 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:05:21am

re: #541 Ghost of Tom Joad

Nobody expected the antlered quaduped Inquisition!

Face to face with the stag nation!!!

545 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:05:30am

Now the seething volcano of #TGDN is umgebroyzelt about “mental health checks.” Isn’t this what Wayne LaPierre WANTED?

546 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:05:39am

re: #540 lawhawk

It’s possible that the rule extending background checks might make it to the House floor for consideration. It might even pass.

But I don’t see the AWB being picked up in the House beyond committee.

From a safety standpoint, the background check rule would prevent more crime than the AWB - though AWBs make up a substantial portion of these mass casualty attacks.

Closing loopholes and increasing enforcement/prosecutions would improve public safety and realistically shouldn’t be the kind of issue that is all that controversial, but for the guy proposing it.

More cops on the street etc. Enforcement, which is what the NRA has been spouting all along.

547 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:06:00am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

I’m sick of seeing Hitler mentioned by both sides. These people need to grow the fuck up.

I only see Hitler being mentioned by one side.

548 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:06:01am
549 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:06:02am

re: #545 Vicious Babushka

Now the seething volcano of #TGDN is umgebroyzelt about “mental health checks.” Isn’t this what Wayne LaPierre WANTED?

Yeah but he just wanted it for “crazy people.”

550 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:06:48am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

I’m sick of seeing Hitler mentioned by both sides. These people need to grow the fuck up.

I’m only seeing people on the right invoke Hitler in this particular debate but nice try MBFing this. It does suck, I will agree with you on that but no one on the left is comparing the gun nuts to the Nazis.

551 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:07:47am

re: #549 HappyWarrior

Yeah but he just wanted it for “crazy people.”

It’s typical conservatism. They’ll support anything up until it has a chance to turn and bite them in the ass.

Also, black President proposed it.

552 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:08:06am

Excerpt from the obituary of a 12 year old killed by a gun last Friday:

Oskar was an unbelievably witty young person who loved to laugh and make everyone around him laugh. He enjoyed speaking in accents and doing impersonations, especially ones of his mom, his sister Gracie and his grandmother Carol and he endlessly entertained his family. He had a voice like his dad’s and loved music and movies. He had an incredible memory and was extremely smart and inquisitive by nature, often capturing adults in long, intelligent conversations. He also loved fireworks and cute girls and always found joy in the small things in life. He loved his brothers and sisters and playing outdoors and camping. He was curious about how things worked and was constantly questioning things. He truly was wise beyond his years.

553 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:08:20am

re: #547 Vicious Babushka

I only see Hitler being mentioned by one side.

Hitler was mention a number of times the past year. These right wingers are making themselves look like morons. Here is an example of the left doing the same thing:

A third Nazi reference at Democratic convention

554 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:08:29am

re: #542 FemNaziBitch

Actually, I haven’t.

I hear more than Humans are dangerous and guns are to be respected as the weapons they are. Yes, they are inanimate objects, yet they are always loaded.

I’ve seen a lot of dismissing of their danger myself. I agree human beings are dangerous but a gun makes a human being that much more dangerous IMO. Take the stabbing incident that occurred in China the same day as Sandy Hook. A gun makes it a lot easier to kill people. I’m not suggesting ban guns fwiw but I do want honest discussion about their danger rather than just saying video games, lack of God, etc.

555 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:08:42am
556 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:09:13am

re: #545 Vicious Babushka

Now the seething volcano of #TGDN is umgebroyzelt about “mental health checks.” Isn’t this what Wayne LaPierre WANTED?

They’re seething about mental health checks because deep down, most of those mindless morons know they couldn’t pass one. For instance over here in the Czech Republic, where you can indeed have a concealed weapons permit, most of the RWNJ’s would fail the psychiatric exam.

557 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:10:21am

re: #553 NJDhockeyfan

Hitler was mention a number of times the past year. These right wingers are making themselves look like morons. Here is an example of the left doing the same thing:

A third Nazi reference at Democratic convention

MBFairy dust wafts through the thread…how many Hitler references have come out in reference to Obama in the past 48 hours alone?

558 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:11:14am

re: #557 Sol Berdinowitz

MBFairy dust wafts through the thread…how many Hitler references have come out in reference to Obama in the past 48 hours alone?

34 on #TGDN since this morning (but who’s counting?)

559 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:11:15am

re: #547 Vicious Babushka

I only see Hitler being mentioned by one side.

+1

560 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:11:20am

Are we talking about the Dem convention or the right wing Godwins? One is not the other.

561 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:11:23am
562 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:11:30am

re: #554 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen a lot of dismissing of their danger myself. I agree human beings are dangerous but a gun makes a human being that much more dangerous IMO. Take the stabbing incident that occurred in China the same day as Sandy Hook. A gun makes it a lot easier to kill people. I’m not suggesting ban guns fwiw but I do want honest discussion about their danger rather than just saying video games, lack of God, etc.

I was raised with very strict in-home gun control and education. Probably what the NRA thinks everyone is raised with. That is the problem. These days, most gun owners (men) haven’t served in the military and didn’t learn the same protocols my Dad and other people’s Dad’s learned.

563 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:12:00am

re: #551 Ghost of Tom Joad

It’s typical conservatism. They’ll support anything up until it has a chance to turn and bite them in the ass.

Also, black President proposed it.

Yeah, the mandate’s a good example of that. Shit gets old man.

564 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:12:17am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

I’m only seeing people on the right invoke Hitler in this particular debate but nice try MBFing this. It does suck, I will agree with you on that but no one on the left is comparing the gun nuts to the Nazis.

Of course this last issue is drumming up asinine Hitler references from the right. The left will be right behind them doing the same thing on another issue. It’s been going on for many years and it’s disgusting.

565 iossarian  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:12:31am

re: #557 Sol Berdinowitz

MBFairy dust wafts through the thread…how many Hitler references have come out in reference to Obama in the past 48 hours alone?

Even that reference, which claims “three” Nazi references, has to include one which didn’t mention the Nazis directly and was a case of one politician accusing another of telling a “big lie” in order to have it believed. A bit of a stretch, even for the notoriously supple MBF.

566 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:12:39am

re: #553 NJDhockeyfan

Hitler was mention a number of times the past year. These right wingers are making themselves look like morons. Here is an example of the left doing the same thing:

A third Nazi reference at Democratic convention

Fail.

567 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:13:32am

re: #557 Sol Berdinowitz

MBFairy dust wafts through the thread…how many Hitler references have come out in reference to Obama in the past 48 hours alone?

I’m talking about years of this garbage, not 48 hours.

568 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:13:40am

On mental health checks, expect the GOP/NRA to water down the requirements to such a degree that they wouldn’t be functional/relevant to protecting the public or the individual with mental health problems from obtaining the weapons that could be used in the commission of a crime or as a means of committing suicide.

People seem to forget that the mental health aspect isn’t only to prevent criminal acts, but to reduce the chances of suicide - in which firearms is a leading cause of suicide. Figuring out a way to allow mental health professionals to intervene and address privacy rights and freedoms is what is a tough nut to crack.

569 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:13:53am

re: #535 FemNaziBitch

I’ve never heard that “Gun’s aren’t dangerous”.

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

570 iossarian  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:13:56am

re: #564 NJDhockeyfan

Of course this last issue is drumming up asinine Hitler references from the right. The left will be right behind them doing the same thing on another issue. It’s been going on for many years and it’s disgusting.

Not this shit again.

571 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:15:00am

BREATHTAKING FAIL. I’ll bet this guy totally hates unions and supports “Right to Work”

572 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:15:07am

re: #553 NJDhockeyfan

Hitler was mention a number of times the past year. These right wingers are making themselves look like morons. Here is an example of the left doing the same thing:

A third Nazi reference at Democratic convention

THE CONVENTION? You can’t be even remotely fucking serious. It’s one thing to evoke the Magical Balance Fairy, but this is what I’d consider kidnapping, assault, and attempted murder of the poor Fairy. Leave her alone you creep.

573 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:15:21am

re: #568 lawhawk

On mental health checks, expect the GOP/NRA to water down the requirements to such a degree that they wouldn’t be functional/relevant to protecting the public or the individual with mental health problems from obtaining the weapons that could be used in the commission of a crime or as a means of committing suicide.

People seem to forget that the mental health aspect isn’t only to prevent criminal acts, but to reduce the chances of suicide - in which firearms is a leading cause of suicide. Figuring out a way to allow mental health professionals to intervene and address privacy rights and freedoms is what is a tough nut to crack.

the stigma is a big, big hurdle.

574 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:15:22am

re: #570 iossarian

Not this shit again.

What shit?

575 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:16:10am

re: #562 FemNaziBitch

I was raised with very strict in-home gun control and education. Probably what the NRA thinks everyone is raised with. That is the problem. These days, most gun owners (men) haven’t served in the military and didn’t learn the same protocols my Dad and other people’s Dad’s learned.

True enough. They do seem to be stuck in the past which may explain why LaPierre cites 1990’s movies.

576 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:16:33am

re: #574 NJDhockeyfan

What shit?

SSDD

577 iossarian  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:17:11am

re: #574 NJDhockeyfan

What shit?

The “wah wah wah the evil lefties do it too” shit.

Remember a couple of years ago, when every single Democratic-leaning commentator was screaming how Republicans were just like Nazis for implementing a reasonable legislative program that’s supported by over 80% of Americans?

Oh? You don’t? Maybe because IT NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED.

578 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:17:26am
579 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:18:39am

re: #575 HappyWarrior

True enough. They do seem to be stuck in the past which may explain why LaPierre cites 1990’s movies.

They also haven’t realized that most of the young voters today have no memory of the riots in the late sixties. The young don’t have the inbred fear of race riots or communism.

Conservatives truly don’t grasp reality.

580 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:18:55am

Shorter NRA ad: the first children only matter when they’re white.

581 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:19:02am

re: #578 Lidane

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Reagitler! /

582 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:19:08am

re: #562 FemNaziBitch

I was raised with very strict in-home gun control and education. Probably what the NRA thinks everyone is raised with. That is the problem. These days, most gun owners (men) haven’t served in the military and didn’t learn the same protocols my Dad and other people’s Dad’s learned.

Even that’s not always enough - I just read “With The Old Breed” ( memoir of the Pacific Theater in WWII) and in it was story of two marines fucking around after the battle on Okinawa was over. It ended with an M1 shot, 1 marine dead & 1 marine in the stockade for killing his best friend.

583 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:19:35am

re: #575 HappyWarrior

True enough. They do seem to be stuck in the past which may explain why LaPierre cites 1990’s movies.

Funny, Charlton Heston acted in some pretty violent movies and killed his share of people in them.

584 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:19:41am

re: #578 Lidane

The opposition will claim its too soon. The wounds (sorry for the pun) are too raw. Its knee jerk. We need to study it for 10 - 12 years.

585 Mattand  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:20:15am

re: #543 NJDhockeyfan

I’m sick of seeing Hitler mentioned by both sides. These people need to grow the fuck up.

What, are you pinch hitting for Kilgore?

Seriously, dude, what the fuck? Your side of the aisle is going so apeshit over gun control they are comparing the duly elected President to a mass murdering dictator.

This is the willful delusion that conservatives cloak themselves in I’m always on about. You guys have a serious fucking problem with reality.

586 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:20:52am

re: #580 Gus

Shorter NRA ad: the first children only matter are only off-limits when they’re white.

FTFY

587 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:20:56am

re: #577 iossarian

The “wah wah wah the evil lefties do it too” shit.

Remember a couple of years ago, when every single Democratic-leaning commentator was screaming how Republicans were just like Nazis for implementing a reasonable legislative program that’s supported by over 80% of Americans?

Oh? You don’t? Maybe because IT NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED.

I was stating my opinion that I hate seeing both sides bring up Hitler. If you have a problem with that I don’t give a shit. It’s not a left or right statement. It pisses me off when the left or right bring it up.

588 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:21:03am

OUTRAGE!

589 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:21:45am

re: #588 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

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Good for SF.

590 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:21:53am

re: #583 Ghost of Tom Joad

He killed the planet of the Apes. That’s a pretty high body count right there.

591 iossarian  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:22:01am

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

I was stating my opinion that I hate seeing both sides bring up Hitler. If you have a problem with that I don’t give a shit. It’s not a left or right statement. It pisses me off when the left or right bring it up.

You must be very pissed off with the right at this point then. Maybe it will bring you to reconsider your voting habits.

592 gwangung  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:22:16am

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

I was stating my opinion that I hate seeing both sides bring up Hitler. If you have a problem with that I don’t give a shit. It’s not a left or right statement. It pisses me off when the left or right bring it up.

That’s kinda weak sauce, given the relative mentions. You’re getting reamed, rightfully so, for a lame and intellectually lazy statement.

593 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:22:23am

re: #583 Ghost of Tom Joad

Funny, Charlton Heston acted in some pretty violent movies and killed his share of people in them.

Yeah. Funny that huh. Or that the NRA leadership really has shown no problem with real wars but somehow American Psycho and Natural Born Killers, two films I’d be shocked if Ryan Lanza saw more than once were responsible for what he did.

594 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:22:40am

re: #585 Mattand

What, are you pinch hitting for Kilgore?

Seriously, dude, what the fuck? Your side of the aisle is going so apeshit over gun control they are comparing the duly elected President to a mass murdering dictator.

This is the willful delusion that conservatives cloak themselves in I’m always on about. You guys have a serious fucking problem with reality.

My side? Have I mentioned one thing about gun control on here? Have I agreed with the assholes posting that garbage? WTF man?

595 EmmaAnne  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:22:46am

Executive order I would support: no one who has publicly compared a sitting president to Hitler gets to have a gun.

596 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:22:50am

I’ve been hearing news reports of local and regional law enforcement heads saying they won’t enforce new gun regs they themselves deem unconstitutional. Which puts the 2nd Amendment evangelicals in a logical quandary WRT the ‘well regulated militia:’

If local-regional law enforcement won’t subscribe to the Fed government, then isn’t that the ‘well regulated militia’ the Holy Founders decided should be armed?

This means that citizens do not have inalienable rights to own weapons.

Discuss. I have to commit some capitalism.

597 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:22:57am

re: #583 Ghost of Tom Joad

Funny, Charlton Heston acted in some pretty violent movies and killed his share of people in them.

Yeah, but mostly with chariots…

598 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:23:47am

The derp is just too much today. WTF right wing?

599 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:24:03am

re: #588 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

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Ah, I was wondering why it was one of the rare airports not named for anyone famous when I flew in there last year. A good choice.

600 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:24:05am

re: #552 wrenchwench

Excerpt from the obituary of a 12 year old killed by a gun last Friday:

I just found the receipt for the bike his dad bought him here on his 3rd birthday.

601 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:24:06am

re: #582 William Barnett-Lewis

Even that’s not always enough - I just read “With The Old Breed” ( memoir of the Pacific Theater in WWII) and in it was story of two marines fucking around after the battle on Okinawa was over. It ended with an M1 shot, 1 marine dead & 1 marine in the stockade for killing his best friend.

I know I sound like a broken record. The problem is some young men and testosterone.

Young Men need Old Men and in lieu of that at least one strong person to keep them in line and mentor them into adult hood. Since that seems to be lacking as well, we need, as a society, to wake-up and provide the services needed
and channel any violent tendencies into sports or something constructive. And, Yes, we need to restrict their access to weapons.

In the Very Least, we can do what ever is necessary to make sure they can READ.

We need to value them and not neglect them.

602 Mattand  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:24:11am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan

My side? Have I mentioned one thing about gun control on here? Have I agreed with the assholes posting that garbage? WTF man?

Your past posts have given me the impression you lean conservative and vote GOP. Am I wrong on that?

603 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:24:13am

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

I was stating my opinion that I hate seeing both sides bring up Hitler. If you have a problem with that I don’t give a shit. It’s not a left or right statement. It pisses me off when the left or right bring it up.

Image: shovel.jpg

Here, this might help you. In a few minutes we’ll bring in the heavy earth-moving equipment when you hit bedrock.

604 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:24:48am

re: #579 FemNaziBitch

They also haven’t realized that most of the young voters today have no memory of the riots in the late sixties. The young don’t have the inbred fear of race riots or communism.

Conservatives truly don’t grasp reality.

The only major riot in my lifetime that I still remember vividly was the L.A. Riot. Everything else was before my time.

605 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:24:49am

re: #600 wrenchwench

I just found the receipt for the bike his dad bought him here on his 3rd birthday.

Gulp.

606 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:24:53am

re: #591 iossarian

You must be very pissed off with the right at this point then. Maybe it will bring you to reconsider your voting habits.

My voting habits? How the fuck do you know who I vote for?

Just to let you know, I vote for 2 Reps, 1 Dem and an Independent last time, not that it’s any of your fucking business.

607 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:25:55am

re: #588 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

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Good to hear. I saw (and enjoyed) The Life and Times of Harvey Milk. Very good documentary. Got me choked up.

608 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:26:25am

re: #598 Lidane

The derp is just too much today. WTF right wing?

Well, it IS Wednesday, after all.

609 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:27:32am

re: #608 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Well, it IS Wednesday, after all.

It’s humpday so they’re fucking around in the derp?

610 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:27:40am

re: #602 Mattand

Your past posts have given me the impression you lean conservative and vote GOP. Am I wrong on that?

I lean conservative but I don’t vote down the party line. Give me some credit for thinking for myself please.

611 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:28:00am
612 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:28:53am

re: #596 Kronocide

Local law enforcement officials are not legally authorized to determine what is and is not Constitutional. That’s the Supreme Court’s job. Otherwise you can nit-pick any law and say “that’s not Constitutional” and America would just be an anarchy.

For starters, they should be fired for dereliction of duty, and if crimes are committed because they weren’t enforcing laws they were supposed to, they should be held liable.

614 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:29:44am

re: #611 Lidane

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I am still trying to understand what the big deal about Marco Rubio is.

615 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:30:47am

re: #614 HappyWarrior

I am still trying to understand what the big deal about Marco Rubio is.

his name rhymes.

616 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:30:59am

Oh sure, now they want big government…

Buehner on Homosexuality: Government Must ‘Remove the Abomination from the Land’

Joe Jervis alerted us to an interview Buehner gave to Colorado Springs NBC affiliate KOAA, which reported that Buehner’s comments are “causing a national stir.”

Buehner repeated his claims about homosexuality and claimed that homosexuals should be treated like rapists and murderers. He also urged Colorado legislators to “remove homosexuals from society, saying they’ll also pay the price at the golden gates if they don’t fall in line.”

Buehner maintained: “God’s law to the civil magistrate in terms of homosexuality says you should remove the abomination from the land, so that’s God’s instruction to the people who work up in the capitol who make our laws. That’s what they’re going to be held accountable for.”

Buehner and his co-host Pastor Kevin Swanson support the Ugandan “kill the gays” bill and laws from the pilgrim era that criminalized homosexuality.

I only see one abomination here.

617 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:31:19am

re: #615 FemNaziBitch

his name rhymes.

So, you’re saying he should be a pool game :).

618 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:31:33am

Any reference to Hitler is absurd in this context. That is clear. It is fair to say that there have been points in the recent history of the US when left wing supporters have used the Hitler comparison as well. Most notably George W Bush was repeatedly compared to Hitler when he went to war with Iraq. The evidence of this was all over pictures of the protests. It did happen. It was wrong. It was also not mainstream at all.
What is missing though is the systematic attempt of the right to tie Obama to Hitler, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Caliphate. It has been a constant for the last 5 years. It was mainstreamed by the likes of Beck and others and it has become part of the right wing consciousness. There is simply no comparison of the quantum and the proliferation of it at all.

619 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:31:36am

re: #606 NJDhockeyfan

Touchy, touchy…

620 Mattand  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:32:03am

re: #610 NJDhockeyfan

I lean conservative but I don’t vote down the party line. Give me some credit for thinking for myself please.

Fair enough.

Watching the current round of Godwining towards Obama and declaring everyone does it is a weak argument. One of the reasons is that for all of the Bush Derangement that went on from 2000 to 2008, the people making those statements weren’t running the Democratic Party.

The same cannot be said about today’s conservative movement/GOP. It’s a huge problem that just exploded exponentially over the last 12 hours. The Republicans are being driven by fanatics that are so pissed off over losing power, that they’re slowly losing their grip on reality (the latent racism doesn’t’ help either.)

621 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:32:14am

Andrea Mitchell just got done interviewing some nut from the NRA. If anyone thought the web video was just in “bad taste” then just watch the interview she just did with them. They’re batshit insane and proud of it.

622 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:32:16am

re: #614 HappyWarrior

I am still trying to understand what the big deal about Marco Rubio is.

He’s Latino. That’s pretty much it.

Of course, Rubio also has his own set of birther morons to deal with, so he’s not universally loved in the GOP either.

623 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:32:24am

re: #618 Petero1818

Any reference to Hitler is absurd in this context. That is clear. It is fair to say that there have been points in the recent history of the US when left wing supporters have used the Hitler comparison as well. Most notably George W Bush was repeatedly compared to Hitler when he went to war with Iraq. The evidence of this was all over pictures of the protests. It did happen. It was wrong. It was also not mainstream at all.
What is missing though is the systematic attempt of the right to tie Obama to Hitler, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Caliphate. It has been a constant for the last 5 years. It was mainstreamed by the likes of Beck and others and it has become part of the right wing consciousness. There is simply no comparison of the quantum and the proliferation of it at all.

This times a 1000.

624 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:32:30am

re: #612 Ghost of Tom Joad

Local law enforcement officials are not legally authorized to determine what is and is not Constitutional. That’s the Supreme Court’s job. Otherwise you can nit-pick any law and say “that’s not Constitutional” and America would just be an anarchy.

For starters, they should be fired for dereliction of duty, and if crimes are committed because they weren’t enforcing laws they were supposed to, they should be held liable.

Any and every Sovereign Citizen has the right to interpret the Constitution as he sees fit, as well as to determine whether the provisions as they stand in the Constitution are consistent with God’s Divine Law, which, of course, takes precedence.

Anything else is relativistic progressivism.

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625 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:32:38am

re: #617 HappyWarrior

So, you’re saying he should be a pool game :).

It doesn’t rhyme with Pool.

626 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:32:40am

re: #596 Kronocide

I’ve been hearing news reports of local and regional law enforcement heads saying they won’t enforce new gun regs they themselves deem unconstitutional. Which puts the 2nd Amendment evangelicals in a logical quandary WRT the ‘well regulated militia:’

If local-regional law enforcement won’t subscribe to the Fed government, then isn’t that the ‘well regulated militia’ the Holy Founders decided should be armed?

This means that citizens do not have inalienable rights to own weapons.

Discuss. I have to commit some capitalism.

Not really. You need to plow through the federalist and anti-federalist papers some time to realize how much we take for granted (on all sides).

No, they would not have expected the feds to inform the states how to have a well-regulated militia. Not least, they expected state-run militias to be competitive in size and strength if not out-power the federal army. A standing army of any strength was anathema to all sides. I’ve seen arguments that the main cause of the death of anti-federalism wasn’t the civil war but was instead the decision to maintain a large army for its ability to rapidly respond to threats.

627 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:33:12am

re: #604 Dr Lizardo

The only major riot in my lifetime that I still remember vividly was the L.A. Riot. Everything else was before my time.

There was a moderate riot* in Dallas after the 1992 super bowl. Like tears, there can apparently be riots of joy as well as riots of rage. I’m not really well versed in the various riot genre, myself.

*Moderate Riot would be a good band name. Downtempo punk, I guess.

628 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:33:30am

re: #625 FemNaziBitch

It doesn’t rhyme with Pool.

Marco Polo doesn’t either. Polo on the other hand can be reshaped to spell Pool.

629 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:34:13am
630 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:34:27am

Barton: Armed School Children Prevent School Shootings

After an opening segment in which Beck claimed that Obamacare will force people to give up their guns and lead to Nazi-like euthanasia programs, the two got down to business with Barton explaining that the NRA was founded in order to protect freed slaves from lynchings and that there never used to be school shootings in the 1800s because all of the kids carried guns to school:

631 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:34:52am

re: #614 HappyWarrior

I am still trying to understand what the big deal about Marco Rubio is.

Well, he’s a Republican, he doesn’t play with his own shit, and he’s not white, thereforeminority votes bitchez!. Plus, the Florida connection when it comes time for a Presidential election (because it really helped Romney/Ryan’s parade of fail).

That’s it. Same thing with Jindal. They see Obama and think they can just run any minority, regardless of ideology, and win black/hispanic votes.

632 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:35:16am

re: #622 Lidane

He’s Latino. That’s pretty much it.

Of course, Rubio also has his own set of birther morons to deal with, so he’s not universally loved in the GOP either.

Right, seems the same deal with Cruz. These guys really aren’t any different other than their ethnic backgrounds and that they’re new in national politics. Isn’t that the same thing the GOP and right accuses Obama of being? And I have to say as much as I dislike Rubio, it’s beyond fucked up that he has a birther troup. Of course, knowing what I know about him, he’ll claim his birthers are left wingers because of no true conservative.

633 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:36:28am

So I’m late to the party, did Obama already declare himself president-for-life and order the confiscation of all firearms yet?

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634 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:36:58am

re: #596 Kronocide

I’ve been hearing news reports of local and regional law enforcement heads saying they won’t enforce new gun regs they themselves deem unconstitutional. Which puts the 2nd Amendment evangelicals in a logical quandary WRT the ‘well regulated militia:’

If local-regional law enforcement won’t subscribe to the Fed government, then isn’t that the ‘well regulated militia’ the Holy Founders decided should be armed?

This means that citizens do not have inalienable rights to own weapons.

Discuss. I have to commit some capitalism.

I think it goes like this:

inalienable right to life = right to self-defense
right to self-defense = firearm ownership
therefore, take away unregulated firearm ownership and take away unregulated right to self-defense.

It’s some sort of fallacy regarding opposites.

Valid, but not sound.

635 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:37:40am

re: #628 HappyWarrior

Marco Polo doesn’t either. Polo on the other hand can be reshaped to spell Pool.

Wouldn’t sound as good in the Pool tho.

636 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:37:53am

The Godwin hysteria seems to have died down. Maybe they are bored with it and have found another shiny “King!” “Emperor!”

Also they are befuddled since not even one of the Executive Actions takes away even a single gun.

637 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:38:14am

re: #633 Targetpractice

So I’m late to the party, did Obama already declare himself president-for-life and order the confiscation of all firearms yet?

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Yes, but he was later impeached and replaced by the cast of Fox & Friends. Cabinet meeting right now, taking place on the comfy couch.

638 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:38:29am

I have to go to work. You guys have a great day… ALL OF YOU have a great day.

639 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:38:39am

re: #635 FemNaziBitch

Wouldn’t sound as good in the Pool tho.

True enough. So maybe I should put my Prince Henry the Navigator game on hold for that reason.

640 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:39:17am

re: #636 Vicious Babushka

The Godwin hysteria seems to have died down. Maybe they are bored with it and have found another shiny “King!” “Emperor!”

Also they are befuddled since not even one of the Executive Actions takes away even a single gun.

They’re waiting on the NRA to get them their talking points.

641 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:39:35am

re: #639 HappyWarrior

True enough. So maybe I should put my Prince Henry the Navigator game on hold for that reason.

Sounds like valid Logic.

642 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:39:58am
Youtube Video
643 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:40:22am

Godwin #36

644 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:40:22am
645 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:41:17am

re: #643 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #36

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Is there one showing Reagan with the same “Remember when you see Obama posing with children”

646 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:41:36am

re: #532 Sol Berdinowitz

What if you are faced with a deer tent invasion?

You get them with the claymore mine placed on the tripwire next to the decoy tent. Of course.
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647 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:42:23am

re: #644 Gus

And how long before this morphs into the rwnj Benghazi v.2.0? Oh wait. Already happening:

[Link: twitter.com…]

648 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:42:32am

re: #630 Kragar

Barton: Armed School Children Prevent School Shootings

There were over a dozen documented cases of school shootings in the 1800s.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Keep in mind that the actual number may be significantly higher due to the lack of media coverage in rural areas back then, not to mention that the physical size/population of the US was much, much smaller than it is today.

649 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:42:38am

Egypt: Morsi comments on Jews taken out of context

A day earlier, the Obama administration admonished Morsi over the comments, which were revived when they were aired on an Egyptian TV show this month, and called on him to repudiate them.

At the time, in September 2010, Morsi was a leader in the Muslim Brotherhood. In the video, he refers to “Zionists” as “bloodsuckers who attack Palestinians” as well as “the descendants of apes and pigs.”

On Wednesday, Morsi told a visiting U.S. Senate delegation led by Republican John McCain that a distinction must be made between criticism of what he called the “racist” policies of the Israelis against the Palestinians and insults against the Jewish faith, Morsi’s spokesman Yasser Ali said.

Heh

650 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:42:54am

re: #645 FemNaziBitch

Is there one showing Reagan with the same “Remember when you see Obama posing with children”

651 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:43:00am

Beck ‘historian’: History proves armed elementary kids prevent school shootings

Barton noted that guns were only fired in schools at the time to stop criminal activity.

“The great example, in the 1850s you have a school teacher who’s teaching,” the historian explained. “A guy, he’s out in the West, this guy from New England wants to kill him and find him. So, he comes into the school with his gun to shoot the teacher, he decides not to shoot the teacher because all the kids pull their guns out and point it at him and say, ‘You kill the teacher, you die.’ He says, ‘Okay.’ The teacher lives. Real simple stuff.”

Barton added: “There was no shooting because all the kids — we’re talking in elementary school — all the kids pull their guns out and says, ‘We like our teacher, you shoot our teacher, we’ll kill you.’”

“Kids did not shoot each other,” Beck insisted.

“No, no,” Barton agreed. “Two accidents I have seen in 200 years of everybody having guns. It just didn’t happen.”

Nope, that certainly doesn’t sound like a steaming load of horseshit at all.

652 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:43:12am
653 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:43:13am

re: #645 FemNaziBitch

Is there one showing Reagan with the same “Remember when you see Obama posing with children”

Of course not, we’re to believe that Obama’s the only one who has ever done anything political with kids. Typical right wing shit.

654 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:43:21am

re: #648 RadicalModerate

There were over a dozen documented cases of school shootings in the 1800s.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Keep in mind that the actual number may be significantly higher due to the lack of media coverage in rural areas back then, not to mention that the physical size/population of the US was much, much smaller than it is today.

Yes, and how many deaths per?

655 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:43:38am

So basically three Presidential Memorandums and 20 proposals. It appears that no executive orders were signed.

656 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:43:42am

re: #633 Targetpractice

So I’m late to the party, did Obama already declare himself president-for-life and order the confiscation of all firearms yet?

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Not in so many words, but he did confirm the suspicions of those who have known it all along anyways…

657 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:43:47am
658 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:43:49am

re: #626 kirkspencer

I’ve seen arguments that the main cause of the death of anti-federalism wasn’t the civil war but was instead the decision to maintain a large army for its ability to rapidly respond to threats.

Pretty much this in the wake of the militias total failure in the War of 1812.

659 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:44:31am

Godwin #37

660 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:44:39am

re: #650 Vicious Babushka

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ITS ABSOLUTELY HITLERIAN!

661 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:44:41am

re: #652 Lidane

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Funny how that’s never used when it’s a policy they like that Reagan continued to support in old age.

662 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:44:46am

re: #655 Gus

So basically three Presidential Memorandums and 20 proposals. It appears that no executive orders were signed.

Damn he’s good.

663 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:45:07am

re: #655 Gus

So basically three Presidential Memorandums and 20 proposals. It appears that no executive orders were signed.

LIES! WE ALL KNOW OBUMMER IZ TAKIN OUR GUNZ!

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664 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:45:21am

re: #655 Gus

So basically three Presidential Memorandums and 20 proposals. It appears that no executive orders were signed.

I kind of doubt anything is going to happen. Media coverage isn’t doing a good job about the likelihood of anything getting done but I suspect this is all a show.

665 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:46:04am

re: #664 Killgore Trout

I kind of doubt anything is going to happen. Media coverage isn’t doing a good job about the likelihood of anything getting done but I suspect this is all a show.

Killgore, you are always the optimist!

666 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:46:16am

re: #657 Lidane

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All three things that white Christian men supported with gusto.

667 Shvaughn  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:46:33am

re: #664 Killgore Trout

I kind of doubt anything is going to happen. Media coverage isn’t doing a good job about the likelihood of anything getting done but I suspect this is all a show.

Based on what?

668 Tigger2  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:46:37am

re: #664 Killgore Trout

I kind of doubt anything is going to happen. Media coverage isn’t doing a good job about the likelihood of anything getting done but I suspect this is all a show.

And that’s a fucking shame because something needs to be done.

669 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:47:03am

Samuel L. Jackson takes on Taylor Swift with predictable results:

Youtube Video
670 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:47:05am

re: #630 Kragar

Barton: Armed School Children Prevent School Shootings

I I I I can’t. I just can’t. Really, it’s just…

671 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:47:09am

re: #666 Targetpractice

All three things that white Christian men supported with gusto.

unlimited firearm ownership, unlimited breeding and unlimited profit?

672 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:47:36am

re: #668 Tigger2

And that’s a fucking shame because something need to be done.

Agreed.

673 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:48:46am

re: #667 Shvaughn

Based on what?

What else? KT’s concern, of course.

674 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:48:50am

Ex-Aide Accuses Bachmann Of Campaign Finance Violations

675 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:49:04am
676 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:49:15am

re: #657 Lidane

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Yeah not being able to own a military weapon is just like that or having to wait a period of time for a weapon is just like that. Sigh, get back to me when you’re actually being persecuted for being a gun owner. Until then, you’re a whiny baby who just wants to be a martyr.

677 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:49:18am

re: #674 Kragar

Ex-Aide Accuses Bachmann Of Campaign Finance Violations

You mean G-d didn’t provide?

678 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:49:41am

FINALLY, another RWNJ says STOP the Godwinning

679 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:49:56am

re: #652 Lidane

this was the interview I was talking about, guess he wasn’t from the NRA, just a member of the Militant arm of the NRA.

680 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:50:21am

re: #643 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #36

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It’s also a false quote. The first sentence can be found (more or less, depending on translation) but the sentence that follows in Mein Kampf is different. Here’s that section from Gutenberg (my emphasis to show the relevant sentence):

It will be the task of the People’s State to
make the race the centre of the life of the community. It must make sure
that the purity of the racial strain will be preserved. It must proclaim
the truth that the child is the most valuable possession a people can
have. It must see to it that only those who are healthy shall beget
children; that there is only one infamy, namely, for parents that are
ill or show hereditary defects to bring children into the world and that
in such cases it is a high honour to refrain from doing so. But, on the
other hand, it must be considered as reprehensible conduct to refrain
from giving healthy children to the nation.

681 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:50:54am

re: #627 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

There was a moderate riot* in Dallas after the 1992 super bowl. Like tears, there can apparently be riots of joy as well as riots of rage. I’m not really well versed in the various riot genre, myself.

*Moderate Riot would be a good band name. Downtempo punk, I guess.

I don’t recall that one. I’m sure it made the news, but I just didn’t catch it.

“Moderate Riot” as a band name…..not bad. Lounge punk?

682 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:51:08am

re: #659 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #37

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That one is my favourite of the day for sure. I like the catchy slogan at the end. “Gun control is not about guns. It is about control. ” He wrote that one while reading his bible, which you know, is about something else entirely, but definitely not about control.

683 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:51:16am

Godwin #38

684 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:51:19am

re: #606 NJDhockeyfan

My voting habits? How the fuck do you know who I vote for?

Just to let you know, I vote for 2 Reps, 1 Dem and an Independent last time, not that it’s any of your fucking business.

That grinding sound you here is the motorized goal post mover bulldozing the rock as the hole moves sideways. Same passive aggressive response as always after being called on a distraction attempt in a thread where the conservatives are being criticized for something.

I’m actually surprised. Rather than that I expected the MBF attempt to be something linking to Huffpo…
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685 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:51:41am

Rick Perry, once again opening his mouth and removing any doubts to his mental capacity

“Guns require a finger to pull the trigger. The sad young man who did that in Newtown was clearly haunted by demons and no gun law could have saved the children in Sandy Hook Elementary from his terror.

“There is evil prowling in the world - it shows up in our movies, video games and online fascinations, and finds its way into vulnerable hearts and minds. As a free people, let us choose what kind of people we will be. Laws, the only redoubt of secularism, will not suffice. Let us all return to our places of worship and pray for help. Above all, let us pray for our children.

“In fact, the piling on by the political left, and their cohorts in the media, to use the massacre of little children to advance a pre-existing political agenda that would not have saved those children, disgusts me, personally. The second amendment to the Constitution is a basic right of free people and cannot be nor will it be abridged by the executive power of this or any other president.”

686 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:51:48am

These people need to be tested for rabies.

687 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:51:50am

re: #651 Kragar

A piping and steaming hot pile at that. Wiki lists school shootings going back to the 1800s.

688 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:52:34am

re: #686 Four More Tears

These people need to be tested for rabies.

Bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

689 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:53:19am

re: #687 lawhawk

A piping and steaming hot pile at that. Wiki lists school shootings going back to the 1800s.

Actual history never stops Barton from revising it so why now. Wonder if Mike Huckabee still thinks we should listen to this pathological liar at gunpoint.

690 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:53:34am

re: #662 FemNaziBitch

Damn he’s good.

Actually, according to the document all 23 are going to be executive orders. Of course what’s going on is tripping over semantics. If the executive orders his agencies to do something, whether through actual EO or by memorandum, it is de facto an executive order.

Me, I’m going to wait a couple of days to see what shows on the list of EOs the White House maintains. One or two of those explicitly described in the body as EOs will show up, and then I’ll know which are EO and which are order by memorandum.

691 darthstar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:54:21am

re: #347 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone…can’t stay right now…got a phone screen with a company in a half hour. But saw this pic on Facebook and thought you’d enjoy it.

Image: 47008_539277726090937_940097462_n.jpg

So, that went well. Should have a second phone call with the hiring manager tomorrow or Friday, and if that goes well a final face to face before the end of the month. They’re looking for someone to start soon and according to their technical recruiter whom I spoke with this morning, I fit most of their check boxes. Basically, they need someone to hit the ground running who has experience building teams and frameworks from scratch. And they have budget!(that’s always important)

692 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:54:31am

The more you compare to Hitler, the more you look like an idiot.

693 Tigger2  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:54:47am

re: #685 Kragar

Rick Perry, once again opening his mouth and removing any doubts to his mental capacity

Yes there is evil roaming this land and some of it is the NRA.

694 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:55:37am

re: #674 Kragar

Ex-Aide Accuses Bachmann Of Campaign Finance Violations

You know who else misappropriated campaign money?…….wait for it…..Hitler. Its true.

695 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:55:41am

re: #657 Lidane

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Seriously!?

The NRA needs to FOAD. I’d dearly love to be in the media sometime, just so when some wingnut wanker came on my program, I could say - live, on national TV, “You’re full of shit and let me tell you why…..” and then eviscerate their arguments.

696 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:55:41am

re: #685 Kragar

Rick Perry, once again opening his mouth and removing any doubts to his mental capacity

Positioning himself for a ‘16 run, no doubt. Personally, I think it hilarious that the first thing out of the “gun advocates” mouths after “Don’t politicize this” was “let’s wait til we have all the facts.” Well, it’s over a month later and despite not knowing if Adam Lanza was a frequent consumer of violent media or prayed to God, all the “gun advocates” wanna talk about is how we’re too violent a country and how we need to get right with God if we want to stop future Adam Lanzas.

Yegods, it’s like I went to bed like night and woke up in the weeks right about Columbine.

697 darthstar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:55:44am

re: #692 HappyWarrior

The more you compare to Hitler, the more you look like an idiot.

I can’t even grow a small mustache.

698 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:55:47am

re: #688 Gus

Bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

You’ve just been waiting to post that, haven’t you?

699 Jolo5309  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:56:47am

re: #538 Petero1818

Wow. Ottawa, and Quebec City as better for food than Toronto? HAve to disagree with that. Montreal certainly ranks, and in particular with those 3 you would have to be talking about regional food in particular.

There is tons of shit food in Toronto. There is tons of mediocre food in Toronto. There are a few exceptional restaurants in toronto and quite a few good ones. But in particular when seeking diversity in the offerings Toronto tops all of Canada. Vancouver has its share most notably Asian and sub continent fare but again not as much total diversity.

And if you want real Ukrainian food, go to Yorkton (seriously).

700 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:56:56am

re: #697 darthstar

I can’t even grow a small mustache.

I don’t think Obama can either.

701 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:56:57am

re: #679 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this was the interview I was talking about, guess he wasn’t from the NRA, just a member of the Militant arm of the NRA.

Part of the Lone Wolf NRA. You know, the segment that doesn’t represent the rest of the NRA when they say or do something that is obviously stupid and detrimental to their aims.

702 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:57:23am

re: #690 kirkspencer

Actually, according to the document all 23 are going to be executive orders. Of course what’s going on is tripping over semantics. If the executive orders his agencies to do something, whether through actual EO or by memorandum, it is de facto an executive order.

Me, I’m going to wait a couple of days to see what shows on the list of EOs the White House maintains. One or two of those explicitly described in the body as EOs will show up, and then I’ll know which are EO and which are order by memorandum.

Nope. Take number 11, “nominate an ATF director.” You don’t have to nominate an ATF director through an EO. The rest are just proposals and plans of action that might not require congress.

703 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:57:32am

re: #685 Kragar

Rick Perry, once again opening his mouth and removing any doubts to his mental capacity

The male Sarah Palin, ladies and gents. And the governor of my state.

*sigh*

704 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:58:07am

re: #702 Gus

Nope. Take number 11, “nominate an ATF director.” You don’t have to nominate an ATF director through an EO. The rest are just proposals and plans of action that might not require congress.

point granted.

705 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:58:18am

re: #694 Petero1818

You know who else misappropriated campaign money?…….wait for it…..Hitler. Its true.

Ha! i actually heard about that. Think I also heard he was a tax cheat too.

706 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:58:28am

re: #688 Gus

Bobine spongiform squarepanthalopathy.

707 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:58:40am

re: #703 Lidane

The male Sarah Palin, ladies and gents. And the governor of my state.

*sigh*

He’ll have to mud-wrestle Rick Santorum, then win the bathing suit competition for that title.

708 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:58:44am

MO Republican pushes for sales tax on ‘violent video games’

A Missouri lawmaker has introduced her own solution for preventing future mass shootings: a sales tax on “violent” video games.

The Associated Press reported on Tuesday that Rep. Diane Franklin’s (R) proposal calls for a 1 percent sales tax on games rated Teen, Mature or Adults Only, with the money raised going toward “treatment of mental health conditions associated with exposure to violent video games.”

Maybe next you can raise taxes on junk food to pay for drug rehab.

Fucking morons.

709 calochortus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:58:50am

re: #670 Four More Tears

I I I I can’t. I just can’t. Really, it’s just…

I know I would have felt much better if those boys who threatened to beat me up after school had had weapons. I’m sure my one gun against the two of them would have taken care of the threat.

710 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 10:59:46am

re: #703 Lidane

The male Sarah Palin, ladies and gents. And the governor of my state.

*sigh*

When he first entered the campaign, I was convinced that he could have walked away with the nomination. Then he started talking…

711 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:00:08am

re: #696 Targetpractice

Positioning himself for a ‘16 run, no doubt. Personally, I think it hilarious that the first thing out of the “gun advocates” mouths after “Don’t politicize this” was “let’s wait til we have all the facts.” Well, it’s over a month later and despite not knowing if Adam Lanza was a frequent consumer of violent media or prayed to God, all the “gun advocates” wanna talk about is how we’re too violent a country and how we need to get right with God if we want to stop future Adam Lanzas.

Yegods, it’s like I went to bed like night and woke up in the weeks right about Columbine.

Actually, I saw somewhere that Lanza was a regular church goer. Haven’t seen any actual proof he ever played a video game.

712 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:00:18am

re: #708 Kragar

MO Republican pushes for sales tax on ‘violent video games’

Maybe next you can raise taxes on junk food to pay for drug rehab.

Fucking morons.

Supposing Missouri already has sales tax, this really is a do nothing move but act like I’m doing something move.

713 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:00:37am

re: #703 Lidane

The male Sarah Palin, ladies and gents. And the governor of my state.

*sigh*

You have my sympathies.

Hey, the Czech Republic has Vaclav Klaus, climate change denier if it makes you feel any better.

But he’s also one of those cerebral types that would likely mercilessly mock Perry (and Palin) for their lack of intellect. I’ve heard from a friend of mine, who worked in the Czech President’s office, that Klaus does not suffer fools.

714 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:01:02am

re: #711 Kragar

Actually, I saw somewhere that Lanza was a regular church goer. Haven’t seen any actual proof he ever played a video game.

I assume he had played some games but then again as my brother pointed out, lots of people between the ages of 10 and 25 do.

715 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:01:17am

re: #705 HappyWarrior

Ha! i actually heard about that. Think I also heard he was a tax cheat too.

So he would fit in just fine in today’s GOP.

716 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:01:34am

re: #707 Vicious Babushka

He’ll have to mud-wrestle Rick Santorum, then win the bathing suit competition for that title.

Do you own stock in brain bleach or something?
//

717 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:02:30am

re: #710 Sol Berdinowitz

When he first entered the campaign, I was convinced that he could have walked away with the nomination. Then he started talking…

And suddenly, people outside of Texas understood why Perry refuses to debate anyone.

The man’s a total moron. It’s amazing he can even dress or feed himself, much less function day to day.

718 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:02:30am

Just saw a tweet questioning why Obama didn’t seek regulation of Quentin Tarantino. *facepalm*

The 1st Amendment. How does that work?

719 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:02:38am

re: #711 Kragar

Actually, I saw somewhere that Lanza was a regular church goer. Haven’t seen any actual proof he ever played a video game.

HW’s pretty much right, I don’t think it’s possible these days to go without ever having played a video game, whether it be on a console, on a computer, on an iPhone, or just at one of the increasingly few arcades.

720 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:03:12am

re: #717 Lidane

The man’s a total moron. It’s amazing he can even dress or feed himself, much less function day to day.

But Bush became President!

721 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:03:20am

re: #707 Vicious Babushka

He’ll have to mud-wrestle Rick Santorum, then win the bathing suit competition for that title.

Does the judge appear at some point and shout “FINISH HIM!”

(On the other hand I don’t think I want to know what their respective special “kill” moves are.)

722 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:03:43am

re: #719 Targetpractice

HW’s pretty much right, I don’t think it’s possible these days to go without ever having played a video game, whether it be on a console, on a computer, on an iPhone, or just at one of the increasingly few arcades.

One can play a video game and not be a gamer.

723 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:03:45am

re: #708 Kragar

MO Republican pushes for sales tax on ‘violent video games’

Maybe next you can raise taxes on junk food to pay for drug rehab.

Fucking morons.

So, when starts the screams of “Nanny stater!” and arguments that the government doesn’t have a place in trying to ween people off bad habits…oh wait, he’s a Republican. Never mind.

724 Gus  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:04:15am

re: #704 kirkspencer

point granted.

Which is not to say that he can’t attain some of the proposals through or with an EO. Haven’t seen one yet. This morning all I saw mentioned was “presidential actions.” EOs, presidential memorandums and presidential proclamations fall under presidential actions.

These are the recent memorandums showing up at the White House site and they’re the three I mentioned earlier.

Executive orders will show up here. Presidential memorandums will show up here. It appears that they have yet to link the latter.

725 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:04:32am

re: #720 Vicious Babushka

But Bush became President!

Dubya was a regular Mensa candidate compared to Rick Perry.

726 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:04:55am

OR sheriff writes Biden to say he won’t enforce new gun laws

Dear Sheriff, say good bye to your funding. The sheriffs who actually do their jobs appreciate your contribution.

727 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:05:43am

re: #722 Kragar

One can play a video game and not be a gamer.

True, which is what makes this all so amusing. They’re screaming “Gun control laws criminalize honest citizens and make them out as the bad guys,” then target gamers for hatred and bile. As if we’re the root of all evil these days.

Look, just because I bashed that guy’s brains in in Fallout does not mean I’m a violent person.//

728 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:05:56am

re: #718 lawhawk

Just saw a tweet questioning why Obama didn’t seek regulation of Quentin Tarantino. *facepalm*

The 1st Amendment. How does that work?

WELL IT DOESN”T ACTUALLY SAY THAT QUENTIN TARANTINO CAN’T HAVE HIS FREE SPEECH REGULATED!!!!!!!! But yeah, I don’t get it. Background checks and banning military weapons are tyrannical but it’s perfectly reasonable to limit Mr. Tarantino’s free speech rights. Why are they blaming him anyhow? I know his new movie’s release coincided with the shooting though I think the film was released afterwards. I mean not that it really matters but I’ve read nothing about Ryan Lanza that suggests he was a big Tarantino fan or a Tarantino fan at all.

729 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:07:00am

I am still hoping to hear from Palin on this gun issue. I can’t imagine she will stay silent. But I just checked her Twitter account and her most recent post was this meaningful tidbit than every American (read Christian) would be thrilled to see from their political representatives. You know I really don’t know why secular progressives had any concerns about her in politics.

730 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:07:03am

re: #687 lawhawk

A piping and steaming hot pile at that. Wiki lists school shootings going back to the 1800s.

But you don’t get it. There was no shooting because the kids were armed with high powered, fully automatic, manure spreaders.

731 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:07:18am

OUTRAGE!

732 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:07:27am

re: #722 Kragar

One can play a video game and not be a gamer.

True enough point. I probably would have qualified as a gamer in my teen years. Probably not now in my mid 20’s.

733 Kragar  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:07:31am

re: #721 Feline Fearless Leader

Does the judge appear at some point and shout “FINISH HIM!”

(On the other hand I don’t think I want to know what their respective special “kill” moves are.)

Santorum dissolves his opponent in a frothy blast.
Perry whips a Colt Revolver out of his jockstrap, shoots his opponent 6 times, knocking him up into the sky, then leaps forward and slams a bible into their head.

734 Lidane  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:07:55am
735 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:07:57am

re: #726 Kragar

OR sheriff writes Biden to say he won’t enforce new gun laws

Dear Sheriff, say good bye to your funding. The sheriffs who actually do their jobs appreciate your contribution.

Is there something written somewhere that give’s Sheriff’s unlimited power in their county?

Did Sherif Joe in Arizona write it?

736 Jolo5309  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:09:03am

re: #726 Kragar

OR sheriff writes Biden to say he won’t enforce new gun laws

Dear Sheriff, say good bye to your funding. The sheriffs who actually do their jobs appreciate your contribution.

He only enforces laws he agrees with…

Lynching is ok, but not gun laws.

737 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:09:03am

re: #730 b_sharp

But you don’t get it. There was no shooting because the kids were armed with high powered, fully automatic, manure spreaders.

And they just hit each other over the heads with them.

/

738 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:10:26am

You know, the sheriff forgets his job is law enforcement not law making If he has a problem with the law, he should either run for office or resign his job as sheriff. If law enforcement officials all got to pick and choose like this one wants to, there would be anarchy.

739 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:14:29am

re: #738 HappyWarrior

You know, the sheriff forgets his job is law enforcement not law making If he has a problem with the law, he should either run for office or resign his job as sheriff. If law enforcement officials all got to pick and choose like this one wants to, there would be anarchy.

They all think that the movie character Sheriff Buford T was a real person and their role-model.

“Jest PROtecting the citizens frum the revenewers.”

740 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 11:47:53am

re: #729 Petero1818

Who is she quoting? Dr. Phil? Phil Donnahue? Philip II of Macedon, father of Alexander the Great?

741 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:29:38pm

re: #480 Vicious Babushka

Godwin #32
Hmmm Obama reminds me of this guy about sixty years ago with a funny mustache and weird voice

Can’t be Hitler. He was already dead 60 years ago. Maybe Groucho Marx?


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