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How 19-Year-Old Activist Zack Kopplin Is Making Life Hell for Louisiana’s Creationists

You gotta love this kid for stepping up
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High fives for Zack. He is facing down trolls, creationists, climate denialists and his own state legislature. I think we should keep an eye on this one.

For Zack Kopplin, it all started back in 2008 with the passing of the Louisiana Science Education Act. The bill made it considerably easier for teachers to introduce creationist textbooks into the classroom. Outraged, he wrote a research paper about it for a high school English class. Nearly five years later, the 19-year-old Kopplin has become one of the fiercest — and most feared — advocates for education reform in Louisiana. We recently spoke to him to learn more about how he’s making a difference.

Kopplin, who is studying history at Rice University, had good reason to be upset after the passing of the LSEA — an insidious piece of legislation that allows teachers to bring in their own supplemental materials when discussing politically controversial topics like evolution or climate change. Soon after the act was passed, some of his teachers began to not just supplement existing texts, but to rid the classroom of established science books altogether. It was during the process to adopt a new life science textbook in 2010 that creationists barraged Louisiana’s State Board of Education with complaints about the evidence-based science texts. Suddenly, it appeared that they were going to be successful in throwing out science textbooks.

A pivotal moment

How 19-year-old activist Zack Kopplin is making life hell for Louisiana’s creationists “This was a pivotal moment for me,” Kopplin told io9. “I had always been a shy kid and had never spoken out before — I found myself speaking at a meeting of an advisory committee to the State Board of Education and urging them to adopt good science textbooks — and we won.” The LSEA still stood, but at least the science books could stay.

No one was more surprised of his becoming a science advocate than Kopplin himself. In fact, after writing his English paper in 2008 — when he was just 16-years-old — he assumed that someone else would publicly take on the law. But no one did.

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1 Locker  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:45:19pm

Great post. Thanks very much for this one.

2 Destro  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:46:45pm

Nobel Laureates????

Fuckin’ Magnets, how do they work? And I don’t want to talk to a scientist, yall mothafuckers lyin’, and getting me pissed!

3 Mattand  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 3:52:02pm

Sorry to go OT so early, but:


Conservative rich people really suck at times.

4 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 3:53:20pm

re: #3 Mattand

Sorry to go OT so early, but:

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Conservative rich people really suck at times.

FTFY. Honestly, “liberal” rich people can be just as bad as “conservative” rich people in their own way. They’re all interested in preserving their own wealth at the expense of others.

5 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 3:54:55pm

re: #3 Mattand

FFS, it take time, money and energy/motivation to eat well and exercise properly, all of which are usually in short supply at the low end of the income scale because basic survival is crowding out all other priorities.

6 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 3:58:22pm

Zack Kopplin on Twitter: @RepealtheLSEA

7 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:00:21pm

re: #4 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

FTFY. Honestly, “liberal” rich people can be just as bad as “conservative” rich people in their own way. They’re all interested in preserving their own wealth at the expense of others.

Or, perhaps more importantly, they often defend the system by which so much wealth is unjustly concentrated in their hands. Lots of rich people don’t fit the model of mustache twirling villain (i.e., they aren’t all like the Koch brothers), but remain willfully blind to their privilege and good fortune, and also blind to the impossibility of any significant fraction of the population economically succeeding at that level.

8 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:01:36pm

“Little letters behind their names…”

But she’s not trying to be disrespectful.

9 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:02:28pm

Mockular biology.

10 b_sharp  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:03:59pm

re: #3 Mattand

Sorry to go OT so early, but:

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Conservative rich people really suck at times.

Hit him again, he’s still moving.

11 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:04:30pm

Thank you Charles. Made my afternoon.

12 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:05:34pm

Creationist testifies in support of Louisiana Creationism Law Pt. 1

13 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:10:17pm

“I don’t give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it’s Hell.” — Harry Truman

Kudos for Zack.

14 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:10:51pm

BBL

15 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:11:36pm
16 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:11:46pm

Dear god, this is pathetic. What in the world?

17 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:13:31pm

re: #16 Gus

Dear god, this is pathetic. What in the world?

File a bug report.

18 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:14:27pm

Creationist Senator wants to know how to turn E. Coli into Humans

19 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:15:21pm

re: #18 jaunte

Creationist Senator wants to know how to turn E. Coli into Humans

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Turning E. Coli into GOP Senators would be a much easier intermediate step.

20 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:17:22pm

re: #18 jaunte

Creationist Senator wants to know how to turn E. Coli into Humans

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No. Wait. Stop. I can’t take it any more. What country is this again?

21 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:17:27pm

Senator Michael ‘Mike’ A. Walsworth
Graduate, Leadership Ouachita and Leadership Louisiana
BA, Northeast Louisiana University, 1978
[Link: votesmart.org…]

I guess no biology was required.

22 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:19:25pm

Stunning.

23 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:21:28pm

The Godwinning hysteria at #TGDN is at a fever pitch, and POTUS hasn’t even spoken yet.

24 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:22:55pm

174 Republicans have so far voted no on Sandy relief.

25 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:24:08pm

Keep up the good fight young man. It’s an uphill battle against the American Taliban.

26 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:24:15pm

THIS is how people make change in the world! He rocks!

27 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:28:27pm

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

The Godwinning hysteria at #TGDN is at a fever pitch, and POTUS hasn’t even spoken yet.

Thankfully I’m going to be at work so I won’t have to see the epic freakout that will occur.

28 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:29:29pm

Passed. 179 Republicans voted no for hurricane Sandy relief.

29 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:31:27pm

re: #28 Gus

Passed. 179 Republicans voted no for hurricane Sandy relief.

Or 77 percent.

30 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:33:36pm

re: #28 Gus

Passed. 179 Republicans voted no for hurricane Sandy relief.

at this rate i expect christie to be running for the democratic presidential nomination in 2016

31 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:34:30pm

re: #28 Gus

Passed. 179 Republicans voted no for hurricane Sandy relief.

Charming. A cesspit would contribute more to political dialogue than the GOP House.

32 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:35:57pm

re: #24 Gus

House votes 241-180 to pass $51-billion Sandy disaster relief bill.

That’s the 3rd of 3 votes that bring the House up to the Senate bill level.

These same GOPers who were claiming fiscal responsibility and that they demand offsets elsewhere will be absolutely silent when the next inevitable natural disaster hits their district and they demand immediate action.

By Sandy standards as adopted by the hypocritical GOP, we must now take at least 70 days to contemplate the needs, break it out in to at least three bills, question every last dollar spent on projects associated with any natural disaster program, and then demand offsets from programs we deem less important (and I leave it up to the room to discuss which of those are less important).

Oh, and vote no and leave the affected region squirming so that they have just enough votes to pass.

33 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:38:16pm

re: #31 EPR-radar

Charming. A cesspit would contribute more to political dialogue than the GOP House.

34 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:40:05pm

re: #32 lawhawk

It’s not really about leaving the region squirming, since they final vote on a package like this is ‘Congressional Kabuki’ and Cuomo and Christie know it. At least 12 of the Reps who voted ‘no’ would have voted ‘yes’ if their votes had been needed to pass the bill. The vote was engineered to pass the bill while giving most Republican reps cover from their political base. Congress does this sometimes, and while its fundamentally dishonest its not really something that they can be stopped from doing.

BBL

35 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:40:33pm

re: #32 lawhawk

The crap from the GOP representatives from CA is especially galling. Elected officials from CA have no excuse for “not getting it” on disaster recovery.

36 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:43:58pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Whenever you make excuses for evil, disgusting behavior, you enable it. Please stop.

37 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:45:34pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

while giving most Republican reps cover from their political base

well doesn’t that just say it all

38 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:47:16pm
39 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:47:23pm

re: #36 Interesting Times

Whenever you make excuses for evil, disgusting behavior, you enable it. Please stop.

Actually, I think it may be beneficial to get this out into the open —- the Republican base wants to screw over people in disaster areas in an evil and disgusting manner.

So, that makes the Republican base evil, right?

40 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:48:28pm

About the scientific method:

But what also drives Kopplin is the inherent danger he sees in teaching creationism.

“Creationism confuses students about the nature of science,” he says. “If students don’t understand the scientific method, and are taught that creationism is science, they will not be prepared to do work in genuine fields, especially not the biological sciences. We are hurting the chances of our students having jobs in science, and making discoveries that will change the world.”

Altho oversimplifying a bit, Feynman gets right to the heart of what is meant by a decent theory being falsifiable.

Sometimes it’s an experiment or observations or methodology being in error that leads to an apparent inconsistency with some theory/law/guess.

41 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:49:08pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

I get that it’s political theater. And it’s still hypocritical. They can claim to be fiscal conservatives and fight the reconstruction aid tooth and nail. Force multiple votes and take more than twice as long to get a package adopted than prior disaster aid packages, despite the storm hitting the most densely populated region in the nation and causing catastrophic damage.

Burnishing their “credibility” by voting against disaster aid. Yeah, that’ll sit well with people. It should make even people from these representatives’ districts a tad uncomfortable knowing that they have no problem having double standards on disaster aid. Just wait til that gets applied their way.

This political theater also costs people who were affected by Sandy in real and measurable ways. Towns can’t get contracts done to rebuild key infrastructure. That means individuals and businesses can’t rebuilt. It delays everyone. And that means people who can’t get back into their homes are out of their homes for that much longer.

42 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:49:12pm

re: #28 Gus

Passed. 179 Republicans voted no for hurricane Sandy relief.

Tried and failed to find the roll call. Wonder if our jackass from Huntsville got religion.

43 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:50:12pm

re: #30 engineer cat

at this rate i expect christie to be running for the democratic presidential nomination in 2016

At this point, that’s less laughable and more of a possibility, at least until a major shift in demographics. Think of it this way - the Republicans have been running what amount to be horrible candidates as of late (nobody with a shred of dignity or sanity can say otherwise). At what point do more and more moderate Republicans jump off that sinking ship and starting voting in Democratic primaries, which will most likely give us what amount to conservative Democrats.

Eventually the Republican base is just going to die off while the rest of them have moved on, making the Democrats more and more conservative, and in, oh, say 2050, the Democrats will be conservative and the Republican party will be re-born as some sort of liberal-libertarian hodgepodge.

/My brain on paper, so to speak.

44 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:50:20pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

Tried and failed to find the roll call. Wonder if our jackass from Huntsville got religion.

[Link: clerk.house.gov…]

45 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:50:35pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

It’s not really about leaving the region squirming, since they final vote on a package like this is ‘Congressional Kabuki’ and Cuomo and Christie know it. At least 12 of the Reps who voted ‘no’ would have voted ‘yes’ if their votes had been needed to pass the bill. The vote was engineered to pass the bill while giving most Republican reps cover from their political base. Congress does this sometimes, and while its fundamentally dishonest its not really something that they can be stopped from doing.

BBL

So the TPGOP reps are really decent, but only need to appear bastardly?

46 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:51:28pm

Phil Plait takes on the climate deniers..Again
[Link: www.slate.com…]

47 blueraven  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:52:12pm

Two dead in shooting at Hazard tech school

So now we are at two school shootings a day. Can we talk about it yet?

48 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:53:21pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

So the TPGOP reps are really decent, but only need to appear bastardly?

Of course. It’s not that the GOP legislators are horrible people, they just have to appear that way because that’s the only way the heartless shit-stains in their party will vote for them.

49 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:53:59pm

2 Shot and I Injured in Shooting at Hazard KY Technical College.

Two people have been killed in a shooting at Hazard Community & Technical College in Hazard, Kentucky, according to CBS affiliate WKYT.

A third person was critically injured and has been transported to Hazard Appalachian Regional Hospital according to WKYT.

Police have said that two suspects have come forward. It is not known if they were directly associated with the shooting according to WKYT.

50 Mattand  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:54:08pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

It’s not really about leaving the region squirming, since they final vote on a package like this is ‘Congressional Kabuki’ and Cuomo and Christie know it. At least 12 of the Reps who voted ‘no’ would have voted ‘yes’ if their votes had been needed to pass the bill. The vote was engineered to pass the bill while giving most Republican reps cover from their political base. Congress does this sometimes, and while its fundamentally dishonest its not really something that they can be stopped from doing.

BBL

As a resident of NJ, this does not make me feel better.

And for some, it is absolutely about leaving the region squirming. Between Christie being seen as a traitor and the general attitude of the Northeast not being “real” America, don’t kid yourself.

Why do you keep supporting this party?

51 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:54:24pm

re: #47 blueraven

Two dead in shooting at Hazard tech school

So now we are at two school shootings a day. Can we talk about it yet?

Only if it’s to support the idea of arming everyone in the school with an assault rifle. Derp.

52 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:54:46pm

re: #47 blueraven

Two dead in shooting at Hazard tech school

So now we are at two school shootings a day. Can we talk about it yet?

Of course not. We have to have at least a six month cooling off period after any school shooting in order to discuss these serious issues properly without being emotional about it.

Conveniently, that will mean that the time is never right for talking about gun control.

Victory!!

//dripping (BTW, what are the tags for purple wingnut font?)

53 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:55:32pm

re: #52 EPR-radar

[wingnut] TEXT HERE [@wingnut]

Where the ampersand is, put a /.

54 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:55:39pm

re: #52 EPR-radar

//dripping (BTW, what are the tags for purple wingnut font?)

[ wingnut ] [/ wingnut ] (without spaces)

55 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:57:02pm

re: #53 Ghost of Tom Joad

re: #54 Interesting Times

Thanks. I was trying angled brackets.

56 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:57:54pm

re: #47 blueraven

Two dead in shooting at Hazard tech school

So now we are at two school shootings a day. Can we talk about it yet?

Proposing a ‘Reverse GI Bill’. If you survive 4 years of college, Uncle Sam will let you go to the Army for free.

57 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:58:59pm

re: #55 EPR-radar

re: #54 Interesting Times

Thanks. I was trying angled brackets.

Nah, have to use these [ ] because they act like cages in order to contain the spread of contagious wingnutism.

58 Mattand  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:59:09pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Proposing a ‘Reverse GI Bill’. If you survive 4 years of college, Uncle Sam will let you go to the Army for free.

Christ, at this point, it’d be safer.

59 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:59:38pm
60 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:00:46pm

How many Godwins in one day?

61 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:00:50pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Proposing a ‘Reverse GI Bill’. If you survive 4 years of college, Uncle Sam will let you go to the Army for free.

Colleges should be free fire zones. Fewer liberals left, and the survivors would need fewer weeks of basic training in a Reverse GI bill.

Herpity Derp.

62 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:01:22pm

re: #58 Mattand

“Honey, why don’t you want to go get a good education and a good job afterwards?”

“Screw that, I’m not joining the military, I wanna go to school and get in some firefights. Now put the Glock in my Spongebob lunchbox so I can leave. Don’t want to miss our morning rendition of “God Bless America.”

63 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:02:51pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

Jesus Christ these people are freaking deranged.

64 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:04:26pm

re: #63 Gus

Jesus Christ these people are freaking deranged.

How many of these deranged assholes have even had their Twitter accounts suspended, let alone actually been rounded up and sent to a death camp?

65 Mattand  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:04:28pm

re: #62 Ghost of Tom Joad

“Honey, why don’t you want to go get a good education and a good job afterwards?”

“Screw that, I’m not joining the military, I wanna go to school and get in some firefights. Now put the Glock in my Spongebob lunchbox so I can leave. Don’t want to miss our morning rendition of “God Bless America.”

In dodgeball at recess, you could replace the red rubber ball with one of those old-timey anarchist bombs that Yosemite Sam uses.

66 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:05:04pm

re: #52 EPR-radar

Of course not. We have to have at least a six month cooling off period after any school shooting in order to discuss these serious issues properly without being emotional about it.

Remember, folks:

Any proposal involving any form of gun control is hysteria, be it actually enforcing background checks, closing loopholes in undocumented gun sales, or limited the specifications of magazines or weapons.

Screaming about Hitler, spamming fake Jefferson and Washington quotes, evoked conspiracy theories (thanks, GOA spokesman), and announcing a need to arm for revolution is part of the reasoned dialogue that helps protect our civil liberties. Except for the wussy socialist rights like speech, due process, assembly, religion, unlawful search/seizure, privacy, and equal protection. Fuck them.

67 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:05:18pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Proposing a ‘Reverse GI Bill’. If you survive 4 years of college, Uncle Sam will let you go to the Army for free.

Two local schools were in lockdown this afternoon because of threats (one was a non-specific threatening note left in the cafeteria). My girlfriend’s kid goes to one of the schools, but was home sick today.

I’d join the Army to STOP being threatened with violence and death. Under your proposal, it would be a relief!

68 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:05:22pm

re: #65 Mattand

In dodgeball at recess, you could replace the red rubber ball with one of those old-timey anarchist bombs that Yosemite Sam uses.

“If you can dodge a hand grenade, you can dodge a ball!”

69 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:06:15pm

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

How many of these deranged assholes have even had their Twitter accounts suspended, let alone actually been rounded up and sent to a death camp?

Zero. It really is highly offensive to the memory of the holocaust.

70 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:06:56pm

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

How many of these deranged assholes have even had their Twitter accounts suspended, let alone actually been rounded up and sent to a death camp?

Untold thousands have already been sent to the gulag. That’s why we need a defense network. #TGDN

71 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:09:25pm

re: #69 Gus

Zero. It really is highly offensive to the memory of the holocaust.

Wait for it…the flood of Tweets calling @viciousbabushka a “Kapo” for voting for Obama. (Have already had a bunch of those)

72 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:10:29pm

Student has to lecture Senator on the Scientific Method

73 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:10:30pm

re: #71 Vicious Babushka

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Wait for it…the flood of Tweets calling @viciousbabushka a “Kapo” for voting for Obama. (Have already had a bunch of those)

Without Googling…I’m guessing it’s a term having to do with being a Jewish traitor….

74 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:10:57pm

re: #71 Vicious Babushka

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Wait for it…the flood of Tweets calling @viciousbabushka a “Kapo” for voting for Obama. (Have already had a bunch of those)

I noticed they’re all gentiles too. The majority of them. Christians.

75 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:11:23pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

How many Godwins in one day?

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Assholes.

76 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:11:24pm

re: #73 Ghost of Tom Joad

Without Googling…I’m guessing it’s a term having to do with being a Jewish traitor….

Fuck me it’s actually worse. What the hell.

77 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:11:29pm

RIGHT ON SCHEDULE

78 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:12:15pm

Twitter Godwin Derp Network
Twitter Gentiles Derp Network…

79 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:12:20pm

Evening Lizards. Off work the next 3 days. Go back for 4 and then off for 9 more. Glad I keep vacation time in reserve.

80 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:12:39pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

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Christian, pro-Israel, gun rights & pro-life. I like dub-step. Please honor our soldiers. #ccot #tcot #LNYHBT #nobama #Crohns

81 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:13:39pm

re: #73 Ghost of Tom Joad

Without Googling…I’m guessing it’s a term having to do with being a Jewish traitor….

Extra disgusting: it’s a term for a prisoner given overseer duties in a Nazi concentration camp.

Fuck these people.

82 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:13:48pm

re: #80 Gus

Christian, pro-Israel, gun rights & pro-life. I like dub-step. Please honor our soldiers. #ccot #tcot #LNYHBT #nobama #Crohns

Translation: I hate Muslims, Gays, women, and good music. It’s awesome when soldiers die on my behalf.//

83 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:14:46pm

re: #81 The Ghost of a Flea

Extra disgusting: it’s a term for a prisoner given overseer duties in a concentration camp.

But now it’s been co-opted to mean

ALL JUICE WHO DON’T AGREE WITH PAMMY!1!

84 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:15:41pm

re: #74 Gus

I noticed they’re all gentiles too. The majority of them. Christians.

Sometimes I think people should be made to live Jewish for a little while. It’s illuminating. I’m a Dirrrty Kuffar now, but I can’t really say that my pseudo-Judaism phase was totally wasted. I learned a lot.

85 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:15:47pm

re: #81 The Ghost of a Flea

Extra disgusting: it’s a term for a prisoner given overseer duties in a concentration camp.

Thanks, I looked it up after, and damn that’s disgusting.

86 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:16:15pm
87 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:17:02pm

What a sewer that place is.

88 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:17:20pm

re: #80 Gus

Christian, pro-Israel, gun rights & pro-life. I like dub-step. Please honor our soldiers.

Hmmm…I wonder how the ones who actually liberated death camps would feel about his behavior now.

89 efuseakay  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:17:31pm
90 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:18:23pm

re: #84 Pawn of the Oppressor

Sometimes I think people should be made to live Jewish for a little while. It’s illuminating. I’m a Dirrrty Kuffar now, but I can’t really say that my pseudo-Judaism phase was totally wasted. I learned a lot.

No thanks. Seems like certain people are always telling Jewish folks what they should think, what they should be outraged about, and how they’re all traitors to their kind because they don’t agree with those certain people, who, in a sick nipple-twist of irony, aren’t actually Jewish.

91 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:18:29pm

re: #86 Gus

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Alternately, WHICH covenant?

92 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:19:21pm

Godwin Derp

93 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:19:31pm

re: #91 kirkspencer

Alternately, WHICH covenant?

I don’t know what he’s talking about. I’ve seen that beady head in there for some time now.

94 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:19:42pm

re: #91 kirkspencer

Alternately, WHICH covenant?

Oddly enough…

/Dark Souls

95 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:21:12pm

Knights Templar!

96 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:22:42pm

Dear Oppressed Wingnuts:

When you have a body count to back up your claims of being oppressed, I might start to take you seriously.

Until then, sit down, STFU, and take your persecution fantasies and Hitler comparisons and cram them up your rectum with a rotten porcupine corpse.

97 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:25:06pm

re: #96 EPR-radar

Dear Oppressed Wingnuts:

When you have a body count to back up your claims of being oppressed, I might start to take you seriously.

Until then, sit down, STFU, and take your persecution fantasies and Hitler comparisons and cram them up your rectum with a rotten porcupine.

Made me think of this. Yes, I know, Adam Sandler movie.

98 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:25:13pm
99 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:27:55pm

re: #98 Interesting Times

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That goes with a letter somebody wrote to Josh Marshall at TPM. Had to do with the gun issue seemingly being the last stand of young, white, uneducated males in America. Lemme see if I can find it.

Here we go: I view gun control from the prism of the gender wars. It’s a last-gasp attempt by lower-income men to hold onto some shred of self-respect: at least a capacity for autonomous violence, if they are left with nothing else.

100 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:29:55pm

re: #92 Vicious Babushka

Godwin Derp

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Since I don’t do twitter, mayhap you could respond with these pics?

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101 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:31:17pm

re: #100 Bubblehead II

Since I don’t do twitter, mayhap you could respond with these pics?

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Children as props! Bush and Reagan iz teh Hitlerz!!11ty

102 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:31:31pm

re: #100 Bubblehead II

Since I don’t do twitter, mayhap you could respond with these pics?

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I don’t like children being used as political props! Coulda swore somebody around here said something like that about Obama…

103 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:32:07pm

re: #101 Gus

Children as props! Bush and Reagan iz teh Hitlerz!!11ty

Turn about and all that.

104 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:33:22pm

re: #99 Ghost of Tom Joad

That goes with a letter somebody wrote to Josh Marshall at TPM. Had to do with the gun issue seemingly being the last stand of young, white, uneducated males in America. Lemme see if I can find it.

Here we go: I view gun control from the prism of the gender wars. It’s a last-gasp attempt by lower-income men to hold onto some shred of self-respect: at least a capacity for autonomous violence, if they are left with nothing else.

Ohhhhh my… That’s gonna leave a mark, being exactly right and all. Wow. That notion explains a lot, especially the nihilistic, self-destructive gun-clutcher fantasy of wiping out yourself and others when you can’t get your way.

The truth just showed up, and it’s packing a bigger gun than yours, fellas

Had a co-worker bloviate about giving kids guns to stop shootings in schools yesterday. I don’t know what it is about the late-middle-aged white male that thinks they’ve got the answers to absolutely everything, and the answer is always something outrageous and provocative. Dude hasn’t been near a gun in decades, and he’s telling me we need to arm the shit out of kids. My CHL-permitted, AR-owning self finds the notion despicable and crazy.

105 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:33:39pm

Student takes on Louisiana’s Creationism Law

evolution… only a theory…

106 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:34:22pm

re: #104 Pawn of the Oppressor

Ohhhhh my… That’s gonna leave a mark, being exactly right and all. Wow. That notion explains a lot, especially the nihilistic, self-destructive fantasy of wiping out yourself and others when you can’t get your way.

The truth just showed up, and it’s packing a bigger gun than yours

Agreed. It seems to get to the dark emotional heart of the gun cult.

107 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:34:49pm

re: #90 Ghost of Tom Joad

No thanks. Seems like certain people are always telling Jewish folks what they should think, what they should be outraged about, and how they’re all traitors to their kind because they don’t agree with those certain people, who, in a sick nipple-twist of irony, aren’t actually Jewish.

Built into the dominant nutty form of socon Christianity is the belief that Christians are the real Jews, and current-day Jews are a sort of misguided atavism that can’t see how obvious it is who the Messiah was. And current-day Jews are further divvied into “saveable” ones that echo their conservatism (and blind support of Israel at its most Likudnik) versus liberal Jews to whom every anti-semitic stereotype is freely applied.

Left Behind…or at least Fred Clark’s deconstruction of it…is a hell of a window into their mindset.

108 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:36:07pm

I just opened my email for the first time since yesterday morning.

Wish me luck, I”m going in.

If you don’t hear back from me by Midnight. Shut the internets down for me, won’t you?

109 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:37:17pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

Built into the dominant nutty form of socon Christianity is the belief that Christians are the real Jews, and current-day Jews are a sort of misguided atavism. And current-day Jews are further divvied into “saveable” ones that echo their conservatism (and blind support of Israel) versus liberal Jews to whom every anti-semitic stereotype is freely applied.

Left Behind…or at least Fred Clark’s deconstruction of it…is a hell of a window into their mindset.

Old style “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” anti-semitism is baked into the DNA of the US hard right. Their superficial support for Israel for various (often nutty) reasons is a thin veneer at best.

110 freetoken  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:40:12pm

re: #87 Gus

What a sewer that place is.

Twitter is the new crack cocaine for the malignant mind.

111 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:41:33pm

re: #110 freetoken

Twitter is the new crack cocaine for the malignant mind.

Small concentrated bursts of derp.

112 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:41:53pm

re: #90 Ghost of Tom Joad

No thanks. Seems like certain people are always telling Jewish folks what they should think, what they should be outraged about, and how they’re all traitors to their kind because they don’t agree with those certain people, who, in a sick nipple-twist of irony, aren’t actually Jewish.

And they’re also telling each other that Jews are the enemies of their god a couple of times a week, and reading books which state that idea in dozens of different subtle and not-so-subtle ways, while they live an essentially accountability-free life of forgiven sin, utterly pagan holidays, rampant consumerism, and occasional enthusiastic support for the latest foreign campaign of death for brown people… All while driving around with I-heart-Jesus bangles on their cars and around their necks.

Yeah… I’ve been on both sides of that wall, and there’s a lot to be said for living for a while on the receiving end of the world’s bullshit. It’s educational.

113 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:43:15pm

re: #111 The Ghost of a Flea

Small concentrated bursts of derp.

It’s an experiment —- can a sufficiently concentrated dose of derp fit into 140 characters and spontaneously collapse into a miniature wingularity?

114 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:43:53pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

Built into the dominant nutty form of socon Christianity is the belief that Christians are the real Jews, and current-day Jews are a sort of misguided atavism that can’t see how obvious it is who the Messiah was. And current-day Jews are further divvied into “saveable” ones that echo their conservatism (and blind support of Israel at its most Likudnik) versus liberal Jews to whom every anti-semitic stereotype is freely applied.

Left Behind…or at least Fred Clark’s deconstruction of it…is a hell of a window into their mindset.

I cringed reading the bolded text. It’s true.

“I don’t see how anybody COULDN’T believe he was the Messiah!”

Paraphrasing somebody close to me… An honest answer would probably be a waste of time.

115 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:44:48pm

re: #111 The Ghost of a Flea

dollop of derp

116 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:45:16pm

re: #112 Pawn of the Oppressor

And they’re also telling each other that Jews are the enemies of their god a couple of times a week, and reading books which state that idea in dozens of different subtle and not-so-subtle ways, while they live an essentially accountability-free life of forgiven sin, utterly pagan holidays, rampant consumerism, and occasional enthusiastic support for the latest foreign campaign of death for brown people… All while driving around with I-heart-Jesus bangles on their cars and around their necks.

Yeah… I’ve been on both sides of that wall, and there’s a lot to be said for living for a while on the receiving end of the world’s bullshit. It’s educational.

It’s the occupational hazard of being a white, straight, Christian man in the US —- the massive privilege associated with this status tends to be invisible to its beneficiaries.

117 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:45:46pm

re: #112 Pawn of the Oppressor

And they’re also telling each other that Jews are the enemies of their god a couple of times a week, and reading books which state that idea in dozens of different subtle and not-so-subtle ways, while they live an essentially accountability-free life of forgiven sin, utterly pagan holidays, rampant consumerism, and occasional enthusiastic support for the latest foreign campaign of death for brown people… All while driving around with I-heart-Jesus bangles on their cars and around their necks.

Yeah… I’ve been on both sides of that wall, and there’s a lot to be said for living for a while on the receiving end of the world’s bullshit. It’s educational.

QUOTES FROM THE TALMUD!1!
HORRIBLE PENIS-CUTTING RITUAL!1!

(Sad to say, it’s not just RWNJ’s who fall for this shit)

118 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:45:53pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

All Greek to me buddy. I don’t have time to dice the believers up into their own little groups within groups. I can’t stand any of it for the most part, but if it’s something important in a person’s life, then by all means if it makes you happy. Hell, my Grandmother is a fervent believer, holy ghost, whole nine yards. Always a gentle, kind, loving lady. Thing I liked most was that she never, not once, tried to force it on me or anybody else. I was exposed to plenty of it, but allowed to find my own guidance in life.

Too many folks nowadays abuse it as a tool to push their agenda or prejudices, or hide their inadequacies (and this goes for denomination of any belief). Believe what you want, leave everyone else the fuck alone.

119 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:46:53pm

re: #116 EPR-radar

It’s the occupational hazard of being a white, straight, Christian man in the US —- the massive privilege associated with this status tends to be invisible to its beneficiaries.

As Chris Rock would say “being born white is a head start on life.”

120 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:48:14pm

re: #102 Ghost of Tom Joad

I don’t like children being used as political props! Coulda swore somebody around here said something like that about Obama…

Yeah, imagine that. We’ll see how it’s staged but it’s generally a tactic I dislike. It can potentially come off looking cheap.

121 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:52:29pm

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Later, lizards.

122 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:54:25pm

Whew, it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought.

I got to delete most of it without opening! But not those little guys!

123 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:54:44pm

OH LOOKY HERE

124 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:54:48pm
125 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:55:06pm

re: #114 Pawn of the Oppressor

I cringed reading the bolded text. It’s true.

“I don’t see how anybody COULDN’T believe he was the Messiah!”

Paraphrasing somebody close to me… An honest answer would probably be a waste of time.

The reason I cite Left Behind is that you’ve got two “wingnut Christians” trying to write Jewish characters reacting to the events of Revelations (as interpreted by Tim LaHaye with his magic decoder ring). Broad and ugly stereotypes immediately pop like mushrooms after rain.

And what they come up with is the skeeviest wish fulfillment fantasy outside of slash fiction: the super-pre-eminent rabbi of Israel going on TV to declare Jesus Messiah and articulating a series of “proofs” that supposedly fit into Talmudic study of the signs of the Messiah. This, of course, results in a series of mass conversions to Christianity. And the remaining “proud” Jews that don’t accept this are tipped into the lake of fire at the end.

126 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:55:31pm

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

OH LOOKY HERE

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Libertarians for Israel? Now there’s a new one.

127 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:55:40pm

Louisiana Votes Against Creationism in High School Science Classes

At 2:30 “You don’t need a law to teach critical thinking.”

128 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:56:04pm

Re: Hitler pics

I got to meet the actual, honest-to-God Winston Churchill himself, for real, when I was seven years old. He came to my school in Lakenheath and greeted us and shook my little hand. There were pictures too, though I don’t appear in any of them. So, yes, Nazis and fascists do like to appear with children, but so do politicians who are most decidedly not Nazis, and even people who are not politicians at all.

This raises a question: Just how crazy, loathesome, and stupid are these people willing to be? The internet is forever. Do they not realize they will be exposed as callous fools and liars for the rest of human history if anyone is inclined to look? (And who knows what people might be inclined to do in the far future?).

129 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:56:25pm

re: #114 Pawn of the Oppressor

I cringed reading the bolded text. It’s true.

“I don’t see how anybody COULDN’T believe he was the Messiah!”

Paraphrasing somebody close to me… An honest answer would probably be a waste of time.

Yeah, and I don’t get it.

130 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:56:29pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Yeah, imagine that. We’ll see how it’s staged but it’s generally a tactic I dislike. It can potentially come off looking cheap.

Went fishing, caught a trout!

Look, I’ll give you some leeway in that yes, it can come off looking like a cheap way to score points, especially with the idiotic “oh won’t you please think of the children!” bullshit we see behind things like the freakout about a nipple during a Superbowl halftime show. Most of the time the whole children issue is nothing more than cover to push an agenda.

But in this case, it’s kids who have written letters to the President who are being involved in the process. And considering recent events, yes, it is about the children. Hell, he should have some others there as well; movie-goers, college students, people who attend political events, maybe some of the kids who are now adults who were in Columbine, some Sikhs, and many other victims I’m leaving out.

Considering how heartless the opposition is, I’m all for dirty pool.

131 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:57:29pm

re: #125 The Ghost of a Flea

The reason I cite Left Behind is that you’ve got two “wingnut Christians” trying to write Jewish characters reacting to the events of Revelations (as interpreted by Tim LaHaye with his magic decoder ring). Broad and ugly stereotypes immediately pop like mushrooms after rain.

And what they come up with is the skeeviest wish fulfillment fantasy outside of slash fiction: the super-pre-eminent rabbi of Israel going on TV to declare Jesus Messiah and articulating a series of “proofs” that supposedly fit into Talmudic study of the signs of the Messiah. This, of course, results in a series of mass conversions to Christianity. And the remaining “proud” Jews that don’t accept this are tipped into the lake of fire at the end.

Actually, I think one would have to go to the far reaches of slash before getting to something noticeably worse than the eschatology porn that is Left Behind.

132 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:58:06pm

re: #124 Gus

You know who else posed with children?

Jesus posed for photo ops?

133 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:58:15pm

re: #130 Ghost of Tom Joad

Considering how heartless the opposition is, I’m all for dirty pool.

Good luck with that.

134 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:58:22pm

re: #124 Gus

You know who else posed with children?

That is one sketchy looking Jesus.

The look on his face is less blessed and more “Tonight…you.”

That is a Jesus that owns a van with no back windows.

135 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:59:02pm

re: #134 The Ghost of a Flea

That is one sketchy looking Jesus.

The look one his face is less blessed and more “Tonight…you.”

That is a Jesus that owns a van with no back windows.

LDS

136 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:00:14pm

re: #135 Gus

LDS

So the windowless van also contains a year’s worth of dry beans and rice.

137 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:00:39pm

re: #124 Gus

You know who else posed with children?

That can’t possibly be a correct depiction —- Jesus is not bearing an assault weapon, and one of the children is of incorrect color.

138 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:02:16pm

OMG! the paranoia that is coming from the gunz crowd on my fb is nauseating. I’m so tired of it.

139 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:02:20pm

re: #136 The Ghost of a Flea

So the windowless van also contains a year’s worth of dry beans and rice.

Nix that. Found it at the LDS site but here’s the skinny on the painting: [Link: www.delparson.com…]

140 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:03:26pm

Oops. Wait. Still LDS.

141 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:03:47pm
142 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:03:49pm

re: #135 Gus

Considering their early history (up to early 1900’s), they should be much more judicious about the face they give Isa.

143 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:04:33pm

Jimmy Carter, worse than Hitler

144 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:04:43pm

re: #124 Gus

You know who else posed with children?

Run! It’s creepy mullet Jesus!

145 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:05:55pm

re: #144 jaunte

Run! It’s creepy mullet Jesus!

brown/read hair and blues no less! Marlboro Man Jesus

146 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:06:09pm

re: #141 Gus

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Jesus… or Brawny Man?

147 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:06:48pm

I have it on pretty good authority that we’ll have the last laugh on these callous greed-crazed fundy bigots:

Matthew 25:34-46

34“Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37“Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40“The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

41“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44“Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ 45“Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

148 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:08:32pm

My favorite Jesus.

From above the altar at the National Bascilica of the Immaculate Conception in Washington D.C.

I walked down the aisle and literally said “Holy Shit!”

149 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:09:25pm

re: #148 FemNaziBitch

Linky no worky.

150 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:09:28pm

re: #144 jaunte

Run! It’s creepy mullet Jesus!

You mean “mulleted guy of European descent for some reason attempting to masquerade as a Middle Easterner” Jesus.

Which kind of compounds my windowless van-related concerns.

151 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:09:35pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

EXCELLENT!

152 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:11:25pm

re: #149 ProBosniaLiberal

Linky no worky.

Try again. #148

153 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:12:43pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

brown/read hair and blues no less! Marlboro Man Jesus

Even better (retouched).

154 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:13:59pm

re: #152 FemNaziBitch

Now, that is cool. Like a Polynesia-inspired Jesus or something.

re: #150 The Ghost of a Flea

What did you expect? Mormonism within living memory had the whole “white and delightsome thing” and they still discourage inter-ethnic relationships in the present day.

And yet Muslims are the ones who are “bad Americans.”

155 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:15:11pm

re: #154 ProBosniaLiberal

Now, that is cool. Like a Polynesia-inspired Jesus or something.

re: #150 The Ghost of a Flea

What did you expect? Mormonism within living memory had the whole “white and delightsome thing” and they still discourage inter ethnic relationship in the present day.

And yet Muslims are the ones who are “bad Americans.”

Polynesia?

A Very White. blonde-haird blue-eyed Jesus sitting in Lotus position with an orange Buddist Monk Robe and flames coming out of his head?

It’s my favorite Jesus because it makes me laugh so much.

156 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:16:20pm

re: #154 ProBosniaLiberal

Now, that is cool. Like a Polynesia-inspired Jesus or something.

re: #150 The Ghost of a Flea

What did you expect? Mormonism within living memory had the whole “white and delightsome thing” and they still discourage inter ethnic relationship in the present day.

And yet Muslims are the ones who are “bad Americans.”

You know, Jesus came to America …

/

157 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:18:24pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

Polynesia?

A Very White. blonde-haird blue-eyed Jesus sitting in Lotus position with an orange Buddist Monk Robe and flames coming out of his head?

It’s my favorite Jesus because it makes me laugh so much.

He’s blonde because he went Super-Saiyan.

(Yes, I’m making a Dragonball Z joke)

158 Mattand  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:19:39pm

re: #114 Pawn of the Oppressor

I cringed reading the bolded text. It’s true.

“I don’t see how anybody COULDN’T believe he was the Messiah!”

Paraphrasing somebody close to me… An honest answer would probably be a waste of time.

He wasn’t the Messiah, he was a very naughty boy.

159 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:20:16pm

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

And that would be the point I get the missionary inside, and get him food and water (missionaries often don’t get much money to support themselves while on mission) and explain the history of the Mormon Church.

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

It’s certainly a culture clash, though the Holy Land was certainly aware of Buddhism in the Roman Era. India and the Roman Empire had diplomatic relations, in some form.

160 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:21:26pm

re: #157 The Ghost of a Flea

He’s blonde because he went Super-Saiyan.

(Yes, I’m making a Dragonball Z joke)

I can’t get the link in #148 to work. Is the blond hair standing straight up?

161 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:22:22pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

No.

He has flames coming out of his head though.

Don’t remember that in the Bible or Quran.

162 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:22:57pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

I can’t get the link in #148 to work. Is the blond hair standing straight up?

No, but his hands are up as though he’s gathering energy for the Spirit Bomb.

163 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:23:11pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

I can’t get the link in #148 to work. Is the blond hair standing straight up?

Try this instead.

164 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:23:53pm

re: #162 The Ghost of a Flea

No, but his hands are up as though he’s gathering energy for the Spirit Bomb.

HADOUKEN!!!

///

165 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:24:09pm

Along time ago, I posted that Jesus here on LGF and someone captioned it: “I have a headache this BIG!”

166 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:24:46pm

re: #163 FemNaziBitch

Try this instead.

Thanks.

Looks like preparation: Ka-me-ha-me-HA!

167 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:25:23pm

re: #159 ProBosniaLiberal

And that would be the point I get the missionary inside, and get him food and water (missionaries often don’t get much money to support themselves while on mission) and explain the history of the Mormon Church.

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

It’s certainly a culture clash, though the Holy Land was certainly aware of Buddhism in the Roman Era. India and the Roman Empire had diplomatic relations, in some form.

I think you trying to hard. Just give-in and laugh at the ridiculous depiction of Jesus.

168 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:27:05pm

Investigating Investigative Journalism - The Daily Show

169 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:29:19pm

re: #167 FemNaziBitch

Yes, thinking too hard.

But it is true. The Ancient World was a more interconnected place than many realize today.

170 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:31:00pm

re: #148 FemNaziBitch


If that’s not the baby Jesus you’re looking for, I’m sure we can find one here. And Mary.

172 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:34:08pm

re: #170 lawhawk

If that’s not the baby Jesus you’re looking for, I’m sure we can find one here. And Mary.

Those are some beautiful works. I especially like the one from Indonesia.

173 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:35:13pm

re: #169 ProBosniaLiberal

Yes, thinking too hard.

But it is true. The Ancient World was a more interconnected place than many realize today.

Yes, I know.

I still don’t think there is a snow-ball’s chance in hell that Jesus was white skinned, blonde-headed and blue-eyed.

174 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:35:16pm

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

OH LOOKY HERE

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Hashtags are like cats: more than 3 at the same time means you’re probably crazy. Probability increases exponentially with every additional cat/hashtag.

175 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:36:23pm

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

That one was beautiful. It looks 3d too.

A mosaic-sculpture hybrid. I like it.

176 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:36:34pm

re: #1 Locker

Great post. Thanks very much for this one.

I was really happy to find it. I have personal reasons to like this kid. My own first political experience was when I was his age. 16 and trying to fight off forced busing in favor of improving the schools in the inner city instead. Instead of adding a long commute to an already challenging environment to learn in. Teen years.

177 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:38:39pm

re: #173 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, likely looked like the run of the mill dude who walks the Arab Street today.

178 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:40:11pm

re: #177 ProBosniaLiberal

Yeah, likely looked like the run of the mill dude who walks the Arab Street today.

Or Israeli/Palestine area.

He would more likely look African than Northern European.

179 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:41:26pm

re: #174 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Hashtags are like cats: more than 3 at the same time means you’re probably crazy. Probability increases exponentially with every additional cat/hashtag.

WAIT A MINUTE!

3 has a special significance when regarding cat ownership?

180 Belafon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:45:26pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

Luke 18:15-17

[15] People were also bringing babies to Jesus to have him touch them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. [16] But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. [17] I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”

181 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:47:03pm

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

The US contribution is one of the more controversial works on display.

The entire basilica is quite an impressive structure and modern in design, covering a lower area grotto where it’s believed to be Mary’s original home.

182 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:48:21pm

re: #181 lawhawk

The US contribution is one of the more controversial works on display.

The entire basilica is quite an impressive structure and modern in design, covering a lower area grotto where it’s believed to be Mary’s original home.

That is beautiful.

183 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:50:08pm

I am going to be productive for a while.

Have a good one all!

184 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:50:09pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Buck’s in a last ditch power dive to protect a Kahanist source.

Weird. They managed to bring up Obama in that story. Huh what?

185 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:51:03pm

re: #184 Gus

How about that. And he’s just one Erdogan away from Hitler.

186 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:51:30pm

re: #181 lawhawk

Somebody should be slapped upside the head for creating that Modernist Atrocity.

187 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:52:06pm

re: #170 lawhawk

If that’s not the baby Jesus you’re looking for, I’m sure we can find one here. And Mary.

That is gorgeous.

188 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:52:08pm

re: #185 jaunte

How about that. And he’s just one Erdogan away from Hitler.

Hitler-Turkey-Erdoğan-Obama!

189 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:52:22pm

Ooh…the Citadel Patriot Agreement…fun shit!

Preamble: We the People come together in this covenant of our free will and do pledge our Lives, our Fortunes and our Sacred Honor to defend one another and Jefferson’s Rightful Liberty, defined as unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. We further affirm our intent to abide all Constitutional laws of the United States of America and our State of residence.

One: Once ratified, this list of conditions may only be altered by unanimous consent of all parties governed by this Agreement, i.e. full-time Residents. Full-time residency will be defined by a select panel of full-time Residents who will also establish guidelines for acceptable exceptions for absences.

Two: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with the rifle of his/her choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 100 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Four: Every able-bodied Patriot of age within the Citadel will maintain one AR15 variant in 5.56mm NATO, at least 5 magazines and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. The responsibility for maintaining functional arms and ammunition levels for every member of the household shall fall to the head of household. Every able-bodied Patriot will be responsible for maintaining a Tactical Go Bag or Muster Kit to satisfy the Minuteman concept. Details TBD and posted elsewhere.

Those are just the first four. “man-sized steel target” sounds a little homo-erotic. When we used to go out and target shoot as kids, we used silhouettes we cut that were about 10” tall…not exactly “MAN-SIZED” but we believed being able to hit a smaller target made more sense when it came to hunting larger game (deer, not people). Citadel sounds like it’s for crappy shots.

190 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:52:28pm

re: #185 jaunte

How about that. And he’s just one Erdogan away from Hitler.

And love letters! Puke. That’s real journalism there. /

191 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:53:16pm
192 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:54:40pm

re: #189 darthstar

Unanimous consent from a bunch of lunatics —- that’ll work out real well.

And what is this fetish for steel targets? Wouldn’t ricochets be a problem?

193 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:55:24pm

re: #184 Gus

Weird. They managed to bring up Obama in that story. Huh what?

I like how CL is horrible for noting the author is posing with a Kahanist in his Twitter photo, because making connections is bad; but Erdogan and Obama—and the whole of Turkey—get portions of blame-cake because far more tenuous connections are good.

194 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:55:52pm

re: #192 EPR-radar

They just love typing the word ‘steel.’

195 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:56:40pm

re: #194 jaunte

They just love typing the word ‘steel.’

Heh. Two feet long, hard as steel, goes all night.. Fits.

196 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:57:35pm

re: #195 EPR-radar

hitting a man-sized steel target

Someone had to have a cigarette after that phrase.

197 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:58:24pm

re: #196 jaunte

Someone had to have a cigarette after that phrase.

and a Kleenex.

198 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:02:45pm

This kid is awesome. Wish him the best.

199 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:03:34pm

re: #178 FemNaziBitch

Or Israeli/Palestine area.

He would more likely look African than Northern European.

Assuming he existed at all. But that’s a different basket of fish…

The D.C. Jesus is nice. Now THAT is a proper Greco/Persian god. None of this meek child-hugger crap, FEAR THE SKY GUY WHO LOOKS REALLY FIT AND COULD KICK YOUR ASS and has hands that are making this kind of *thunder noise*, pew-pew lightning lasers! pose WITH FLAMES ON HIS HEAD!!!

I figure a real Jesus would look more like the Jesus who mows the church lawn, than the Jesus on the wall inside the church.

200 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:10:12pm

re: #193 The Ghost of a Flea

I like how CL is horrible for noting the author is posing with a Kahanist in his Twitter photo, because making connections is bad; but Erdogan and Obama—and the whole of Turkey—get portions of blame-cake because far more tenuous connections are good.

I was following that guy’s Twitter feed—had no clue who or what he was until CL gave the heads up.

Now I don’t automatically following any Twitter feed that’s “pro Israel.” I also noticed how many #TGDN freakazoids include the Israeli flag on their avatar pics, even while they are spamming the Hitler photos.

Fuck. Them.

201 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:10:45pm

Wife: “Are you okay?”
9 Year old: “Yeah, I’m just going through a box of tissues and coughing because I’m bored.”

No need for a paternity test, this one is mine.

202 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:10:58pm

re: #192 EPR-radar

Unanimous consent from a bunch of lunatics —- that’ll work out real well.

And what is this fetish for steel targets? Wouldn’t ricochets be a problem?

That was my first thought…unanimous consent? Good luck with that, wackos.

203 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:12:12pm

re: #201 Kragar

Wife: “Are you okay?”
9 Year old: “Yeah, I’m just going through a box of tissues and coughing because I’m bored.”

No need for a paternity test, this one is mine.

You win the internets today.

204 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:18:50pm

re: #189 darthstar

Ooh…the Citadel Patriot Agreement…fun shit!

Those are just the first four. “man-sized steel target” sounds a little homo-erotic.

Whatever happened to setting up empty beer cans?

205 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:19:57pm

HOLY FREAKING CRAP just when you thought the NRA couldn’t sink any lower, they dig themselves a hole in the Marianas trench

206 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:20:51pm

re: #41 lawhawk

I get that it’s political theater. And it’s still hypocritical. They can claim to be fiscal conservatives and fight the reconstruction aid tooth and nail. Force multiple votes and take more than twice as long to get a package adopted than prior disaster aid packages, despite the storm hitting the most densely populated region in the nation and causing catastrophic damage.

Burnishing their “credibility” by voting against disaster aid. Yeah, that’ll sit well with people. It should make even people from these representatives’ districts a tad uncomfortable knowing that they have no problem having double standards on disaster aid. Just wait til that gets applied their way.

This political theater also costs people who were affected by Sandy in real and measurable ways. Towns can’t get contracts done to rebuild key infrastructure. That means individuals and businesses can’t rebuilt. It delays everyone. And that means people who can’t get back into their homes are out of their homes for that much longer.

I know its stupid, and I wish it could have been done in one vote. Glad its finally done though, and the Hastert Rule was again set aside to pass it.

207 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:22:37pm

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

The NRA, whistling “Uppity” with a foghorn.

208 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:24:09pm

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

HOLY FREAKING CRAP just when you thought the NRA couldn’t sink any lower, they dig a hole in the Marianas trench

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In some markets that’ll be an affective ad. Not in most places, but it’d work as a targeted ad buy in rural areas and in the South.

[/Frank Luntz Mode]

209 Stan the Demanded Plan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:24:22pm

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

HOLY FREAKING CRAP just when you thought the NRA couldn’t sink any lower, they dig a hole in the Marianas trench

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210 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:25:08pm

All that money swirling around Obama’s head means he’s a communist, right?

211 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:25:14pm
212 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:25:26pm

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

HOLY FREAKING CRAP just when you thought the NRA couldn’t sink any lower, they dig a hole in the Marianas trench

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Lying fucking cocksuckers.

Gun free zones are meant to keep your average yahoo with a gun out of them. Law enforcement and private security who are authorized to carry have always been allowed into gun free zones.

213 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:26:36pm

The “dangerous freedom” is actually a real Jefferson quote although used totally out of context by the wingnuts.

214 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:26:43pm

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

HOLY FREAKING CRAP just when you thought the NRA couldn’t sink any lower, they dig a hole in the Marianas trench

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Damn. That’s pretty awful.

215 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:27:34pm

I can’t imagine why Obama’s daughters are more at risk than anyone else’s children

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216 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:27:56pm

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

HOLY FREAKING CRAP just when you thought the NRA couldn’t sink any lower, they dig a hole in the Marianas trench

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Aren’t the NRA supporting arming and training amateurs (by which I mean people who do not carry a gun and monitor threats full time), not hiring very-well-trained security staff?

I mean, one of these things is not like the others.

Also…the “elitist” gambit? Way to drive home my earlier point about the NRA aligning themselves with rightist notions of white male populism, NRA.

For fuck’s sake. I am supposed to pretend these people represent anyone but gun manufacturers (and sellers who don’t like to do background checks)?

217 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:28:27pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

[Frank Luntz Mode]

In some markets that’ll be an affective ad. Not in most places, but it’d work as a targeted ad buy in rural areas and in the South.

[/Frank Luntz Mode]

What would they have to do to piss even those people off?

218 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:29:55pm

re: #217 jamesfirecat

What would they have to do to piss even those people off?

Promenade the African-American outreach.

219 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:30:24pm

how do you think our wingnut friends will feel if obama fails to establish a totalitarian state, crash the economy, and inadvertently destroy the social safety net and cause millions of negroes unqualified minorities to riot violently?

i think they will be utterly disappointed

220 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:30:27pm

A poorly trained George Zimmerman in every school.

221 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:30:42pm

re: #213 Vicious Babushka

The “dangerous freedom” is actually a real Jefferson quote although used totally out of context by the wingnuts.

The whole thing:

“Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it’s evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.” - Jefferson to James Madison, January 30, 1787[1]

But oh, what a wingnut would do with the bolded part.

222 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:31:27pm

re: #162 The Ghost of a Flea

No, but his hands are up as though he’s gathering energy for the Spirit Bomb.

Or he’s in the middle of casting Dragon Slave.

223 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:35:56pm

The Jefferson quotes are funny given Jefferson’s own hostility to popular democracy. Not a slam on Jefferson really but we ignore the founders’ elitism when it comes to things like popular suffrage and land ownership and of course racial equality. They were great men but flawed men and also men of their times. We can learn from both their successes and failures.

224 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:36:57pm

Hmm. Must be Hitler day or something. Anyway, this one is interesting.

225 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:38:02pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

The whole thing:

But oh, what a wingnut would do with the bolded part.

Right. And Jefferson was speaking of servitude to a monarchy and not the ability to put machine guns on your biplane.

226 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:38:46pm
227 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:39:13pm

Elderly woman arrested for spraying ‘holy water’ on pro-choice activist

An elderly woman was arrested in Huntsville, Alabama last week for allegedly spraying a pro-choice demonstrator in the face with what she said was “holy water.”

AL.com reported that Joyce Fecteau, a 75-year-old Catholic woman, was arrested on January 9 for misdemeanor harassment. She allegedly sprayed pro-choice demonstrator Lisa Cox in the face outside Alabama Women’s Center for Reproductive Alternatives last month.

Fecteau said she keeps holy water in a squirt bottle and sprayed it at a “noxious material” that one of the pro-choice demonstrators was carrying.

Crazy old coot.

228 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:39:23pm

re: #92 Vicious Babushka

Godwin Derp

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And read about a Pet Goat while doing it.

229 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:39:46pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

The Jefferson quotes are funny given Jefferson’s own hostility to popular democracy. Not a slam on Jefferson really but we ignore the founders’ elitism when it comes to things like popular suffrage and land ownership and of course racial equality. They were great men but flawed men and also men of their times. We can learn from both their successes and failures.

On the other hand, given that in Southern states like Virginia there were many illiterate people, we might grant Jefferson a point.

230 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:40:05pm
231 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:40:53pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

On the other hand, given that in Southern states like Virginia there were many illiterate people, we might grant Jefferson a point.

Or we could have had a system to you know eradicate illiteracy. And actually Jefferson’s Virginia was one of the more wealthier states in the union in the early days.

232 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:42:21pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Or we could have had a system to you know eradicate illiteracy. And actually Jefferson’s Virginia was one of the more wealthier states in the union in the early days.

You gonna make the chillunz learn to read in a guvment socialist public school? YOU DA DEVIL!
/

233 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:43:30pm

re: #232 Kragar

You gonna make the chillunz learn to read in a guvment socialist public school? YOU DA DEVIL!
/

I am wearing red for a lefty tonight after all.
Image: warren-spahn-06.jpg

234 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:44:01pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Or we could have had a system to you know eradicate illiteracy. And actually Jefferson’s Virginia was one of the more wealthier states in the union in the early days.

That would have been unpopular among the Tidewater planters who ruled the state.

235 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:45:12pm

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

That would have been unpopular among the Tidewater planters who ruled the state.

Yes it would have but some and oftentimes I’d argue the right thing is more important than what the wealthy interests want. The wealthy interests in the turn of the 19th century fought industrial unionization tooth and nail.

236 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:46:02pm

I always found the idea from Albion’s Seed interesting.

237 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:47:39pm

My takeaway of Hitler is that he wanted to eventually exterminate everyone that wasn’t a “blonde haired, blue eyed, Aryan.”

238 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:47:48pm

If you’re going to write words like “All men are created equal” than you should believe in it. I still admire Jefferson, I mean I think it’s in Virginia state law. I jest there but my point of points is that many of the founders weren’t egalitarians. The words “All men are created equal” are wonderful words but the crying shame of it is that Jefferson and many others could not apply to his own life. Jefferson for example, had many opportunities to free his slaves. I still respect him greatly but I think we also must acknowledge and realize his shortcomings.

239 hellosnackbar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:48:52pm

How very enthralling that this young lad should stand up and spit in the eyes of sky fairy fanatics.(he’s even got a spot at [Link: www.richarddawkins…] .net)
I would like him to become a politician and convince religious simpletons that
religion(especially Christianity) is a free enterprise movement conducted by
fraudsters or dogma inculcated idiots.
Perhaps he might be supported on his platform by Messrs Dawkins and Maher.
Hopefully in the future he will become a man of influence as he clearly has the necessary intelligence and confidence.

240 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:49:09pm

re: #237 Gus

My takeaway of Hitler is that he wanted to eventually exterminate everyone that wasn’t a “blonde haired, blue eyed, Aryan.”

Which is hella ironic, since he sure as fuck wasn’t blonde.

241 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:51:08pm

re: #239 hellosnackbar

How very enthralling that this young lad should stand up and spit in the eyes of sky fairy fanatics.(he’s even got a spot at [Link: www.richarddawkins…] .net)
I would like him to become a politician and convince religious simpletons that
religion(especially Christianity) is a free enterprise movement conducted by
fraudsters or dogma inculcated idiots.
Perhaps he might be supported on his platform by Messrs Dawkins and Maher.
Hopefully in the future he will become a man of influence as he clearly has the necessary intelligence and confidence.

That view would make him unelectable in Louisiana. That state will sometimes elect a liberal, but not an atheist.

242 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:51:21pm

Hey, you dug that cesspit, now kindly go wallow in it :)

243 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:53:05pm

re: #240 TedStriker

Which is hella ironic, since he sure as fuck wasn’t blonde.

Oh man there’s a hilarious cartoon on that I have in one of my books.
Hitler’s teaching a class and the following Nazis are there. Chalkboard.
AN ARYAN SHOULD BE:
BLONDE LIKE HESS
FIT LIKE GOERING
ATTRACTIVE LIKE GOEBELLS
and
BRAVE LIKE ME(Hitler)
But yeah I always found the whole Aryan race thing funny since very few high up Nazis really liked the “Aryan race” part. The only who I feel really did was Reinhard Heydrich and Heydrich is actually rumored to have some close Jewish ancestry.

244 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:53:11pm

re: #242 Interesting Times

Hey, you dug that cesspit, now kindly go wallow in it :)

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245 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:54:21pm

re: #242 Interesting Times

Hey, you dug that cesspit, now kindly go wallow in it :)

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Well, perhaps he’s seen that its come time to fill the pit.

246 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:55:16pm

You know the socons seem to have a hobby of saying these past fifty years have been the doom of this country. I’ll contend the total opposite. We’ve made more progress these past fifty years for women, racial minorities, minorities, and people with disabilities than we had the previous 200. We’re not perfect but I do feel things are better.

247 Stan the Demanded Plan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:55:21pm

re: #227 Kragar

Elderly woman arrested for spraying ‘holy water’ on pro-choice activist

Crazy old coot.

Holy water in a windex bottle. nice.

248 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:56:02pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Well, perhaps he’s seen that its come time to fill the pit.

It’s full enough already with the words and actions of the House GOP.

249 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:58:00pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

You know the socons seem to have a hobby of saying these past fifty years have been the doom of this country. I’ll contend the total opposite. We’ve made more progress these past fifty years for women, racial minorities, minorities, and people with disabilities than we had the previous 200. We’re not perfect but I do feel things are better.

Your list is the same things socons feel are dooming us. They miss the days of hierarchy, patriarchy, and limited franchise.

250 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:58:24pm
251 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:59:34pm

re: #249 The Ghost of a Flea

Your list is the same things socons feel are dooming us. They miss the days of hierarchy, patriarchy, and limited franchise.

Yeah I am aware of that. Fucking reactionaries,

252 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:00:26pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Yeah I am aware of that. Fucking reactionaries,

I feel compelled to say it as often as possible, even when it’s singing to the choir. I take it very seriously.

253 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:01:52pm

re: #252 The Ghost of a Flea

I feel compelled to say it as often as possible, even when it’s singing to the choir. I take it very seriously.

By all means please do. It really is worth nothing that the socons would be happy to live in a society that would consider it legally and morally acceptable to segregate by race, to treat homosexuals as criminals, to tell women they can’t have dreams beyond the home, and to treat the disabled as “God’s punishment.”

254 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:02:05pm

Sandy Hook truthers are really starting to piss me the fuck off.

255 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:02:44pm

re: #237 Gus

My takeaway of Hitler is that he wanted to eventually exterminate everyone that wasn’t a “blonde haired, blue eyed, Aryan.”

Suicidal, huh?

256 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:02:53pm

re: #254 Four More Tears

Sandy Hook truthers are really starting to piss me the fuck off.

I can’t believe such people actually exist. I’m convinced that there will be truthers of some kind for every event like this. Yet another reason to hate 9/11 truthers.

257 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:03:18pm

Wayne LaPierre quote.. link

“Isn’t fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?”

I wonder if Wayne LaPierre actually knows any NRA members?? apparently not. I bet most of them dream of killing “bad guys”.

258 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:04:11pm

re: #254 Four More Tears

Sandy Hook truthers are really starting to piss me the fuck off.

They should have their guns confiscated, after all they are clearly mentally ill.

259 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:04:18pm

re: #254 Four More Tears

Sandy Hook truthers are really starting to piss me the fuck off.

They piss off anybody within shouting distance of sanity. Normally, i find the flight of some people from reality pathetic, but this time its utterly toxic and hateful.

260 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:04:42pm

re: #175 ProBosniaLiberal

That one was beautiful. It looks 3d too.

A mosaic-sculpture hybrid. I like it.

To me it looked like Notre Dame scored.

261 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:05:17pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

I can’t believe such people actually exist. I’m convinced that there will be truthers of some kind for every event like this. Yet another reason to hate 9/11 truthers.

Seriously, I have people at work asking me “Have you seen the video? You have to see the video!” No, I don’t need to see the stupid fucking video that’s already been debunked for those of us who don’t allow one frickin’ video to be our base of knowledge.

262 Stan the Demanded Plan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:05:52pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

I can’t believe such people actually exist. I’m convinced that there will be truthers of some kind for every event like this. Yet another reason to hate 9/11 truthers.

The Sandy Hook truthers are the result of the NRA lobby and the hatred of the sitting POTUS. It’s cray.

263 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:06:23pm

re: #255 abolitionist

Suicidal, huh?

Bonkers.

264 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:06:33pm

I heard that the NRA released a “shoot em” up app game not long after LaPierre’s deranged rant. I am still amused by the pathetic nutjob’s attempt to blame 1990’s movies to deflect any sort of discussion from his precious little guns that make him forget what a tiny man he is.

265 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:07:56pm

re: #261 Four More Tears

Seriously, I have people at work asking me “Have you seen the video? You have to see the video!” No, I don’t need to see the stupid fucking video that’s already been debunked for those of us who don’t allow one frickin’ video to be our base of knowledge.

The important thing is that you understand that you should be skeptical of legitimate streams of information, but blindly trusting of anything from someone who announces themselves skeptical of legitimate streams of information.

266 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:09:13pm

To take a page out of the Sandy Hook Truthers book, I’m thinking the whole Jesus died for our sins thing might have been a fucking set up.

267 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:09:31pm

re: #262 Stanghazi

The Sandy Hook truthers are the result of the NRA lobby and the hatred of the sitting POTUS. It’s cray.

The latter, but not the former. The NRA has not made any claim that anyone save the scumbag who is damned in memory was responsible for Sandy Hook. The NRA has not been a primary driver of conspiracism since 2008; For that blaming Fox News is better.

268 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:10:43pm

re: #249 The Ghost of a Flea

Your list is the same things socons feel are dooming us. They miss the days of hierarchy, patriarchy, and limited franchise.

I find it interesting how social conservatives formed the hard core isolationist bloc in the run up to World War II. I still think it’s how Birchers ended up in the Republican party.

269 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:10:58pm

re: #266 Kragar

To take a page out of the Sandy Hook Truthers book, I’m thinking the whole Jesus died for our sins thing might have been a fucking set up.

Admiral Akbar tried to tell Jesus as much.

270 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:11:58pm

If I hear Alex Jones claim another tragic event is a false flag operation………….

271 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:13:17pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

If I hear Alex Jones claim another tragic event is a false flag operation………….

Proof there is no conspiracy.

Alex Jones hasn’t been found dead from choking on a chicken bone.

272 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:14:59pm

re: #269 The Ghost of a Flea

Admiral Akbar tried to tell Jesus as much.

It’s a DERP!

273 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:15:07pm

re: #271 Kragar

Proof there is no conspiracy.

Alex Jones hasn’t been found dead from choking on a chicken bone.

I mean that guy’s been claiming people are out to get him for how long now? Since at least Bush’s first term. Either they’re incredibly incompetent or Alex Jones is a rambling lunatic who needs his head checked rather than syndication. Call me crazy and hear me out but I think it’s the latter. But that could be because I want to have a beer with the lizard people one of these days just for bragging rights.

274 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:19:21pm

re: #225 Gus

Right. And Jefferson was speaking of servitude to a monarchy and not the ability to put machine guns on your biplane.

what’s all this i hear about jefferson airplane and machine guns?

275 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:20:41pm

Want something that should make anybody’s blood boil?

1,000 cats saved from Chinese dining table after being discovered in cramped cages when truck crashed

These pictures capture the moment animal lovers come to the rescue of more than 1,000 cats found starving, thirsty and cramped in cages on the back of a crashed lorry in China.

The cats were destined for the restaurants of Guangdong until the road accident in Changsha, Hunan province delayed the journey by 24 hours and enabled the 50 locals to rescue them.

They were nursed with food, water and milk before being packed off to Changsha Small Animal Protection Association for treatment.

Cats in China can spend up to two months squeezed 25 at a time inside cages which measure just 2ft by 3ft. Many die before they reach their final destination.

Such cruelty - inconceivable in the West - is becoming increasingly commonplace in China, where are up to four million cats are year are killed.

276 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:21:08pm

re: #274 engineer cat

what’s all this i hear about jefferson airplane and machine guns?

Ask the white rabbit.

277 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:22:05pm

re: #274 engineer cat

what’s all this i hear about jefferson airplane and machine guns?

THIS IS BAT COUNTRY!

278 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:23:49pm

re: #274 engineer cat

what’s all this i hear about jefferson airplane and machine guns?

No, the MGs were Spandaus and the biplane was the late model Fokker VII being flown by the Red Baron.

279 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:24:15pm

re: #276 Eventual Carrion

Ask the white rabbit.

I think she’ll know!

280 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:25:19pm

Update on that Sign story from last week.

The signs were most definitely real, and it turns out there were more of them, almost all in Hispanic heavy areas.

However, once it got to critical mass, and the Superintendent of the School District learned of them, they were removed.

While many conservative radio men are the equivalent to Mos Eisley, Dan Gaffney seems to be an exception, and a worthy opponent. He was the one who broke the story.

When he saw the initial sign, he noticed an issue. With out knowing a lick of Spanish, he knew they said something different from the English signs. He found out what it translated to and raised the Alarm. Props to him.

281 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:25:47pm

There’s Hitler again.

282 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:26:17pm
283 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:26:58pm

Tea Party. Summer of 2009. “Obama is worse then Hitler.”

284 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:27:22pm

re: #280 ProBosniaLiberal

Update on that Sign story from last week.

The signs were most definitely real, and it turns out there were more of them, almost all in Hispanic heavy areas.

However, once it got to critical mass, and the Superintendent of the School District learned of them, they were removed.

While many conservative radio men are the equivalent to Mos Eisley, Dan Gaffney seems to be an exception, and a worthy opponent. He was the one who broke the story.

When he saw the initial sign, he noticed an issue. With out knowing a lick of Spanish, he knew they said something different from the English signs. He found out what it translated to and raised the Alarm. Props to him.

I doubt they are as welcoming of aliens as Mos Eisley.

/Stay on Target!

285 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:28:20pm

Wall Street. Fucking scum.

286 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:28:55pm

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

I was talking about the Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy part.

Still good job on Dan Gaffney’s part. Especially since he noticed an issue while not being able to actually read and speak Spanish.

287 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:29:07pm

Here is my new made-up conspiracy theory.. The good ones always have a shred of truth..

288 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:29:31pm

Speech at Wall Street on the anniversary of the the financial meltdown. In Wall Street. None of the CEOs and execs showed up.

289 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:30:04pm

Same year. First speech to congress…

YOU LIE!

290 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:30:20pm

Horrible.

291 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:31:07pm

re: #289 Gus

Same year. First speech to congress…

YOU LIE!

Jumpin’ Joe Wilson, yeah. That outburst really was some foreshadowing of hwo the Republicans in Congress would treat him the first term.

292 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:32:40pm

It’s going to be a lot of fun when 3D printed guns reach commercial viability. I’d love to see the NRA try to bend between 2nd amendment absolutism and their corporate supporters.

293 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:34:53pm

re: #286 ProBosniaLiberal

I was talking about the Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy part.

Still good job on Dan Gaffney’s part. Especially since he noticed an issue while not being able to actually read and speak Spanish.

I knew what you meant, I was just having some fun with the theme. If we’d be on a gun-related topic I’d have gone with “Han Shot First!”.

294 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:36:29pm

re: #292 dragonath

It’s going to be a lot of fun when 3D printed guns reach commercial viability. I’d love to see the NRA try to bend between 2nd amendment absolutism and their corporate supporters.

Black people with 3D printed guns are going to invade your home: buy a Bushmaster AR-15 printing kit to keep pace with them.

295 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:36:45pm
296 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:39:09pm

re: #295 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

“We have all the guns…which is why we’re gonna hole up in an fortified compound that practically screams ‘secessionist.’”

297 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:41:36pm

Their little civil war fantasy would go haywire the second they realize civil war is more than the fantasies they have about the first one from 150 years ago.

298 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:41:43pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

“We have all the guns…which is why we’re gonna hole up in an fortified compound that practically screams ‘secessionist.’”

Branch GlennBeckian? o_O

299 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:42:56pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

They are now in a worse position than during the Civil War.

300 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:43:39pm

Hammers are just as dangerous as guns, which is why there are huge hammer shows, illegal hammer smuggling and trading, and people who spend thousands of dollars on their hammer collections.

301 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:43:43pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

“We have all the guns…which is why we’re gonna hole up in an fortified compound that practically screams ‘secessionist.’”

“Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man.”

- Gen. George S. Patton Jr

(wingnut heads explode)

302 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:44:41pm

re: #299 ProBosniaLiberal

They are now in a worse position than during the Civil War.

CSA actually had a small chance for a time if that’s what you mean. A lot of it is just talk. Think Jonah Goldberg’s fantasy of beating the leftist tofu eating vegan student up. But really pining for civil war is the most pathetic of fantasies. All wars are tragic obviously but I really feel as a student of history that civil wars are the most.

303 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:46:15pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

CSA actually had a small chance for a time if that’s what you mean. A lot of it is just talk. Think Jonah Goldberg’s fantasy of beating the leftist tofu eating vegan student up. But really pining for civil war is the most pathetic of fantasies. All wars are tragic obviously but I really feel as a student of history that civil wars are the most.

I don’t think that was Goldberg.

304 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:46:15pm

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

“Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man.”

- Gen. George S. Patton Jr

(wingnut heads explode)

“Ayn Rand… you magnificent bastard, *I read your book*!”
///

305 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:49:28pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Their little civil war fantasy would go haywire the second they realize civil war is more than the fantasies they have about the first one from 150 years ago.

For most, their little civil war would end right around the time that their wives got tired of sitting in the dark and eating emergency rations and demanded their husband go out and negotiate a ceasefire.

306 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:49:58pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think that was Goldberg.

Yeah, it was.

“The fact that young people think socialism is better than capitalism. That’s proof of what social scientists call their stupidity and their ignorance. And that’s something that conservatives have to beat out of them. Either literally or figuratively as far as I’m concerned.”

307 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:51:10pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think that was Goldberg.

Yes, it was. [Link: thinkprogress.org…]
Seems like Jonah wanted to beat young people who think socialism is better than capitalism. I’m happy to prefer capitalism over socialism but there are better ways like you know “reason” than doing that but ole Jonah who thinks liberals are Nazis doesn’t think that way.

308 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:51:35pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

The thing here is, while the North is not as quick to anger as the South, when they do get pissed, bad things happen.

A testament to this was the fate of Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina during the Civil War, ravaged to hell and back, and back to hell again.

Or heavily North-biased Administration during WWII. That ended after the US had unleashed the most vicious and brutal tactics since the Mongols, with Germany and Japan suffering heavy obliteration.

309 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:51:41pm

re: #300 Kragar

Hammers are just as dangerous as guns, which is why there are huge hammer shows, illegal hammer smuggling and trading, and people who spend thousands of dollars on their hammer collections.

And you have to love the motto of the NHA..

“Can’t touch this.”

310 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:51:46pm

re: #306 makeitstop

Yeah, it was.

If he tried to hit me, I’d kick his sorry right wing ass. I don’t like to fight but if you fuck with me especially because you don’t like my political views, I will defend myself.

311 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:52:50pm

re: #305 Targetpractice

For most, their little civil war would end right around the time that their wives got tired of sitting in the dark and eating emergency rations and demanded their husband go out and negotiate a ceasefire.

“Will you get over your stupid anti liberal crap, for god sake, you’re a bigger drama queen than me!”

312 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:53:45pm

re: #306 makeitstop


re: #307 HappyWarrior

I stand corrected.

313 Stan the Demanded Plan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:53:46pm

re: #298 Interesting Times

Branch GlennBeckian? o_O

tweet that or I’m stealing.

314 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:53:59pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

“Will you get over your stupid anti liberal crap, for god sake, you’re a bigger drama queen than me!”

Ima gonna miss Honey Boo Boo if this shit aint over by tomorrow!

315 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:54:15pm

re: #308 ProBosniaLiberal

The thing here is, while the North is not as quick to anger as the South, when they do get pissed, bad things happen.

A testament to this was the fate of Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina during the Civil War, ravaged to hell and back, and back to hell again.

Or heavily North-biased Administration during WWII. That ended after the US had unleashed the most vicious and brutal tactics since the Mongols, with Germany and Japan suffering heavy obliteration.

Lest we also forget how much poor than the nation as a whole the South was after the Civil War. That’s why the Lost Causers are stupid. Not just that the CSA lost but that the lands that were the CSA became almost third world in comparison with the north.

316 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:55:01pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

re: #307 HappyWarrior

I stand corrected.

All good. Stupid thing to say if you ask me. We’re not skinny eating tofu scandal wearers though I won’t lie- I enjoy tofu on occasion :).

317 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:56:07pm

re: #247 Stanghazi

Holy water in a windex bottle. nice.

That’s how I trained my cat won’t to commit blasphemy on the couch.

318 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:57:12pm

re: #313 Stanghazi

tweet that or I’m stealing.

Heh. It’s almost midnight on the East Coast, so I’m out for the night. Steal away :)

319 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:57:37pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Lest we also forget how much poor than the nation as a whole the South was after the Civil War. That’s why the Lost Causers are stupid. Not just that the CSA lost but that the lands that were the CSA became almost third world in comparison with the north.

They didn’t think about that except in the sense that the North was at fault for making those lands that way. It’s view that still exist today, as we all know. Sherman’s scorched-earth tactics won the Civil War, but they also produced a lingering anger that has yet to die.

320 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:58:22pm

re: #308 ProBosniaLiberal

It should also be noted though, that once it is over, the North would tend to draw down forces. This was especially evident after WWII.

At the end of WWII, we held over 50% of the Planet’s GDP, and more Naval Forces than the rest of the World Combined, plus a massive airforce.

While we still had a large military afterwards, it was massively cut down from that. The US just after WWII was literally the most powerful nation in civilized history.

China will never make it to that point. They will likely be unable to produce large amounts of food, as the pollution and ill-regulated use has led to high toxicity and desertification.

Not to mention that China is now on a Demographic bomb, whose result I anticipate.

321 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:58:42pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

If he tried to hit me, I’d kick his sorry right wing ass. I don’t like to fight but if you fuck with me especially because you don’t like my political views, I will defend myself.

Jonah wouldn’t fight anyone. He’s just another pampered right wing hack who gets picked up by a car to take him where he needs to go, he spends his time having lackeys bring him water in the Green Room, and he never encounters those people whom he so glibly insults on the regular.

That’s the problem with these assholes. They live an insular life where everyone they encounter agrees with every word of bullshit they spew, and in that type of environment it becomes really easy to talk about how your opponents should be beaten. After all, he’s the ‘talent’ and his ‘opinions’ are facile enough to get his mug on TV every week. Who’s gonna dare to disagree with him?

322 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:59:46pm

Glenn Beck just announced he’s bought the rights to some sea floor in the Atlantic to build an underwater city based on the ideals of Ayn Rand.

What could possibly go wrong?

323 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:00:01pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

The conditions were third-world.

The closest you would have found would have been the Serfs in Russia, but I think those serfs may have been just marginally better than the Post-Bellum South.

324 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:00:12pm

re: #322 Kragar

Glenn Beck just announced he’s bought the rights to some sea floor in the Atlantic to build an underwater city based on the ideals of Ayn Rand.

What could possibly go wrong?

Am I a bad person if i root for the sharks here?

325 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:00:50pm

re: #322 Kragar

Glenn Beck just announced he’s bought the rights to some sea floor in the Atlantic to build an underwater city based on the ideals of Ayn Rand.

What could possibly go wrong?

Would you kindly send him some more money?

326 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:00:54pm

re: #320 ProBosniaLiberal

It should also be noted though, that once it is over, the North would tend to draw down forces. This was especially evident after WWII.

At the end of WWII, we held over 50% of the Planet’s GDP, and more Naval Forces than the rest of the World Combined, plus a massive airforce.

While we still had a large military afterwards, it was massively cut down from that. The US just after WWII was literally the most powerful nation in civilized history.

China will never make it to that point. They will likely be unable to produce large amounts of food, as the pollution and ill-regulated use has led to high toxicity and desertification.

Not to mention that China is now on a Demographic bomb, whose result I anticipate.

China doesn’t have enough viable land to feed its population, and even now imports most of its wheat from Anglosphere nations (Canada, the US, and Australia).

327 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:02:35pm

re: #325 Targetpractice

Would you kindly send him some more money?

Next thing you know, we’ll have Alex Jones in a dive suit escorting a hypodermic wielding Anne Coulter strolling around.

328 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:02:41pm

re: #323 ProBosniaLiberal

The conditions were third-world.

The closest you would have found would have been the Serfs in Russia, but I think those serfs may have been just marginally better than the Post-Bellum South.

They were better, but only because they weren’t dealing with an active insurgency as came to exist in much the South in the late 1860’s / early 1870’s.

329 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:02:56pm

re: #322 Kragar

Glenn Beck just announced he’s bought the rights to some sea floor in the Atlantic to build an underwater city based on the ideals of Ayn Rand.

What could possibly go wrong?

It might be more feasible to build that enclave on the moon than 20,000 feet below sea level.

330 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:03:01pm

re: #323 ProBosniaLiberal

The conditions were third-world.

The closest you would have found would have been the Serfs in Russia, but I think those serfs may have been just marginally better than the Post-Bellum South.

I’m not sure but the sad part about the war and its legacy is for decades after, the elites used race as a wedge between whites and blacks while they exploited them. I liked reading about the Readjuster Movement here in Virginia.

331 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:03:06pm

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Am I a bad person if i root for the sharks here?

Am I a wors person if I root for Fontaine?

332 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:03:29pm

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

The moment things turn south for China, turn off the valve. China can’t keep overheating forever.

I want to push China over the Cliff.

333 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:03:54pm

Zingers.

334 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:04:40pm

How does Beck call himself a Randian when he’s so con as hell? I mean lemme be blunt here. Fuck Ayn Rand and her philosophy but Glenn Beck isn’t an Ayn Randian. He’s a so-con who thinks just because he doesn’t like the GOP establishment, he’s somehow a libertarian. He’s not. That doesn’t mean I like libertarianism but he’s a reactionary whackjob.

335 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:05:22pm

re: #332 ProBosniaLiberal

The moment things turn south for China, turn off the valve. China can’t keep overheating forever.

I want to push China over the Cliff.

:|

336 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:06:02pm

re: #332 ProBosniaLiberal

The moment things turn south for China, turn off the valve. China can’t keep overheating forever.

I want to push China over the Cliff.

Don’t talk like that. People starving to death is a horror, and China does have nuclear weapons, too. Much better have China find some sort of stable equilibrium.

337 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:06:03pm

re: #322 Kragar

Glenn Beck just announced he’s bought the rights to some sea floor in the Atlantic to build an underwater city based on the ideals of Ayn Rand.

What could possibly go wrong?

Not much photosynthesis down there. Wonder if the rights include the sea surface, where solar and wind could be exploited.

338 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:06:25pm

I think with China, people will eventually get hungry for Democracy. It will be interesting to see what would happen. Would we see new countries form like we did when the USSR collapsed? Read though that China was at 26% urban in 1990, it’s now 51% and expected to be 75% in 2040.

339 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:07:06pm

re: #334 HappyWarrior

How does Beck call himself a Randian when he’s so con as hell? I mean lemme be blunt here. Fuck Ayn Rand and her philosophy but Glenn Beck isn’t an Ayn Randian. He’s a so-con who thinks just because he doesn’t like the GOP establishment, he’s somehow a libertarian. He’s not. That doesn’t mean I like libertarianism but he’s a reactionary whackjob.

See the fact that for all her moral failings one place whre Ayn Rand was not blind to practicing what’s she preached was saying even back in her day that the government had no right to be involved in persecuting homosexuals even if she found such behavior personally undesirable.

340 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:07:58pm

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

They didn’t think about that except in the sense that the North was at fault for making those lands that way. It’s view that still exist today, as we all know. Sherman’s scorched-earth tactics won the Civil War, but they also produced a lingering anger that has yet to die.

Well, that and taking away their chattel. And dismantling their oppressive system of thorough rights violation of any person suspected of abolitionism. And robbing them of their inflated political power from the 3/5ths compromise. And delivering a curbing stomping that mocked their racist speculation about the superior martial inclinations of French/Spanish Southerners to the mongrel North. And upending their rigid social hierarchy by removing the bottom caste that allowed even the poorest white Southerner to feel superior.

341 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:09:14pm

re: #339 jamesfirecat

See the fact that for all her moral failings one place whre Ayn Rand was not blind to practicing what’s she preached was saying even back in her day that the government had no right to be involved in persecuting homosexuals even if she found such behavior personally undesirable.

Exactly. I mean I don’t like Ayn Rand’s philosophy in general but it bemuses me to see people whose ideology she’d find repugnant to taking her side. I don’t think she would like Ron Paul although part of that would be that Ron Paul would be taking supporters from her cult of personality. So-cons should like Ayn Rand arguably as much as economic lefties should. I was always amused by people like Paul Ryan who claim to be influenced by both the Bible and Ayn Rand. I mean if you said Adam Smith and the Wealth of Nations, I’d understand but Rand?

342 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:10:16pm
343 abolitionist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:10:35pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

I think with China, people will eventually get hungry for Democracy. It will be interesting to see what would happen. Would we see new countries form like we did when the USSR collapsed? Read though that China was at 26% urban in 1990, it’s now 51% and expected to be 75% in 2040.

Few automobiles in China over so many decades may be a blessing of a sort —not nearly so much urban sprawl as in US and much of the rest of the world.

344 Stan the Demanded Plan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:11:45pm

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Am I a bad person if i root for the sharks here?

He should be more afraid of the crabs. They eat trash.

345 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:11:50pm

Thing is, to call what the loons are agitating for a “civil war” is rather far off, because the odds of any single state leaving the union are pretty low. Unlike the 1860s, most states today are so interconnected and interdependent that leaving the union would be tantamount to invoking the wrath of God on one’s own head. The damage and destruction that would be wrought would rival the most devastating of natural disasters. And the chances of even holding the line against the US Armed Forces would be slim.

No, what these pudknockers are angling for is an insurgency, one that may be put down decisively, but would leave a great deal of legal and constitutional anarchy in its wake.

346 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:12:04pm

re: #332 ProBosniaLiberal

I want to push China over the Cliff.

I don’t. I think you might be surprised to see how logical and data driven the Chinese people are. I can’t speak for their government, but my co-workers in China are good people who want the same things we want. And funny but I can always understand their English on conference calls OK but some of my American counterparts are practically unintelligible. I think they are more like typical Americans than the Europeans.

347 Stan the Demanded Plan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:12:23pm

nighty!

348 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:12:31pm

re: #327 Kragar

Next thing you know, we’ll have Alex Jones in a dive suit escorting a hypodermic wielding Anne Coulter strolling around.

Calls for more giant squid, I think.

349 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:17:05pm

re: #346 Mich-again

I don’t. I think you might be surprised to see how logical and data driven the Chinese people are. I can’t speak for their government, but my co-workers in China are good people who want the same things we want. And funny but I can always understand their English on conference calls OK but some of my American counterparts are practically unintelligible. I think they are more like typical Americans than the Europeans.

I’d like to see them see democracy. China’s one of the few nations that has never really enjoyed it. Should also add that I’ve had Chinese classmates before too in college. Never had any real problem. I don’t like their government obviously but I’ve got no problem with Chinese people either.

350 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:23:04pm

re: #343 abolitionist

Few automobiles in China over so many decades may be a blessing of a sort —not nearly so much urban sprawl as in US and much of the rest of the world.

Guess again. In Beijing alone, about 1500 cars are added to the streets every day, by one estimate. Chinese developers (with government support) are building huge satellite cities next to existing cities, that could become ghost cities if people can’t afford the new flats. The government is building out the nation’s highway system, a la the US Interstate system, too.

While there are few cars on those highways compared to the US Interstates now, within 10 years I expect they’ll be just as busy.

351 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:23:51pm

re: #350 wheat-dogghazi

Guess again. In Beijing alone, about 1500 cars are added to the streets every day, by one estimate. Chinese developers (with government support) are building huge satellite cities next to existing cities, that could become ghost cities if people can’t afford the new flats. The government is building out the nation’s highway system, a la the US Interstate system, too.

While there are few cars on those highways compared to the US Interstates now, within 10 years I expect they’ll be just as busy.

I tend to agree. I think we’ll see more cars in China especially as a middle class grows there.

352 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:45:45pm

According to Wikipedia, in 2012 there were 85 cars per capita in China, compared to 812 in the USA in 2010.

In the first 8 months of 2011, Chinese registered 9.83 million new cars. According to the same report, there were 100 million cars in China in 2011. [Link: www.chinadaily.com.cn…]

Beijing is trying to limit the number of new registrations each year, to try to avoid total gridlock on its highways. Rush hour (and air pollution) are already awful. [Link: thediplomat.com…]

I’m glad I live in a small city surrounded by farmland. At least, I can breathe.

353 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:46:07pm

re: #351 HappyWarrior

I tend to agree. I think we’ll see more cars in China especially as a middle class grows there.

Remember that ‘Jeeps made in China’ story that blew up on Mitt Romney? It blew up on him because the Jeeps made in China are going to be sold in China. So SUVs are also a grown market there.

354 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:49:27pm

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Remember that ‘Jeeps made in China’ story that blew up on Mitt Romney? It blew up on him because the Jeeps made in China are going to be sold in China. So SUVs are also a grown market there.

I see Jeeps, Hummers, Escalades, Range Rovers, and Japanese and German SUVs even in my little city. It’s a status symbol. Keep in mind the typical Chinese family has one kids, and there are not many afternoon soccer practices or Cub Scouts/Girl Scouts meetings here. Off roading has not yet caught on as a sport. It’s all about showing how much dough you’ve got (or how much of a loan you can swing).

A little like that in the States, too.

355 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:41:58am
356 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:43:48am

re: #345 Targetpractice

Thing is, to call what the loons are agitating for a “civil war” is rather far off, because the odds of any single state leaving the union are pretty low. Unlike the 1860s, most states today are so interconnected and interdependent that leaving the union would be tantamount to invoking the wrath of God on one’s own head. The damage and destruction that would be wrought would rival the most devastating of natural disasters. And the chances of even holding the line against the US Armed Forces would be slim.

No, what these pudknockers are angling for is an insurgency, one that may be put down decisively, but would leave a great deal of legal and constitutional anarchy in its wake.

Try telling that to the Whackos™. The seem to think the Articles of Confederation trump the Constitution.

357 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 7:48:40am

re: #339 jamesfirecat

See the fact that for all her moral failings one place whre Ayn Rand was not blind to practicing what’s she preached was saying even back in her day that the government had no right to be involved in persecuting homosexuals even if she found such behavior personally undesirable.

Rand can be hard take and like all single-minded idealists, must be taken as such. She had some good insights and was ballsy enough to stand apart from herd. I probably admire her more for that than the points in her philosophy I find interesting.


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