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Former Nebraska senator Chuck Hagel (R) is set to testify before his former colleagues on his nomination to become Secretary of Defense.

Several Senate Republicans have voiced opposition to their fellow party member, and may attempt to block his confirmation.

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1 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:42:19am

Aren’t they claiming he was a Vietcong spy or something? Compared to the swiftboaters’ hatchet job on highly decorated vet John Kerry, that would almost be reasonable.

2 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:42:35am

The teabaggers want to build two submarines a year but not provide healthcare, welfare, jobs, food stamps, medication, etc for our citizens. Brilliant.

3 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:42:35am

GOP: The Geriatric Obstructionist Party.

4 iossarian  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:43:44am

Imagine the outrage if a Democratic president actually nominated, you know, a Democrat to the position.

Why the fuck do we have to let these fucking clowns run the military. It’s as if they don’t demonstrate day after day that they have no business running anything more complex than a 5c lemonade stand.

5 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:45:15am
6 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:45:36am

Glenn Beck talks Ted Nugent down: Waco cultists were ‘really nice guys’

In an interview aired Wednesday, former Fox News conspiracy host Glenn Beck seemed to talk National Rifle Association board member Ted Nugent down from staging some kind of armed revolt against the government, urging that the Waco cultists were “really nice guys,” but “you want your day in court.”

7 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:47:23am

re: #6 Kragar

Glenn Beck talks Ted Nugent down: Waco cultists were ‘really nice guys’

Yeah David Koresh, total nice guy. Uh huh Glenn.

8 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:48:11am

It’s amazing really re: Hagel. This guy was once a finalist for George W. Bush’s VP spot I believe and now he’s being treated by his party as if he’s some kind of monster. Fuckers.

9 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:48:14am
10 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:48:32am

If the hardcore Republicans are being dicks about it, then it’s proof Hagel is a good choice for SecDef.

11 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:49:21am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Yeah David Koresh, total nice guy. Uh huh Glenn.

Almost as nice as that guy who moved down to Guyana.

12 iossarian  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:49:47am

I say we go with the usual Republican attitude vis-a-vis controversial appointments and just go without a Secretary of Defense for a while.

Of course, we’ll have to shut down the military temporarily, but that shouldn’t be a problem.

13 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:50:04am

re: #11 Kragar

Almost as nice as that guy who moved down to Guyana.

Yeah just another victim of the evil federal government.

14 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:50:59am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

On a related note, U.S. Senator from Georgia, Saxby Chambliss, is retiring rather than face a primary challenge from the teabag brigade. You know you’re going off the deepend when Saxby Chambliss is no longer conservative enough. Peak wingnut is still the goal.

15 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:51:03am

Who I wonder would be an acceptable pick for these senators? Obama chooses one of the current undersecretaries and I guarantee you that McCain, Graham, etc would want to turn this into a Benghazi jerk-off.

16 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:51:46am

re: #14 Bulworth

On a related note, U.S. Senator from Georgia, Saxby Chambliss, is retiring rather than face a primary challenge from the teabag brigade. You know you’re going off the deepend when Saxby Chambliss is no longer conservative enough. Peak wingnut is still the goal.

It’s my understanding that McConnell has some primary opposition too. Indeed, peak wingnut has yet to hit us.

17 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:51:53am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Who I wonder would be an acceptable pick for these senators? Obama chooses one of the current undersecretaries and I guarantee you that McCain, Graham, etc would want to turn this into a Benghazi jerk-off.

Bolton.

Or Ted Nugent.

18 iossarian  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:52:17am

re: #10 Ghost of Tom Joad

If the hardcore Republicans are being dicks about it, then it’s proof Hagel is a good choice for SecDef.

I’d like to agree with that, but it isn’t at all. Obama could propose John “Kill All Foreigners” Bolton for the position and the Republicans would still oppose him because blackity-black.

Hagel’s a Republican. If you’re still identifying with that party in 2012, you have serious issues. He may be OK on some issues, to be honest I don’t really care. My simple point is that Republican obstructionism is now a useless marker in terms of evaluating the goodness or badness of an Obama decision.

19 iossarian  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:52:56am

re: #17 Ghost of Tom Joad

Bolton.

Heh.

20 erik_t  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:53:27am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Who I wonder would be an acceptable pick for these senators? Obama chooses one of the current undersecretaries and I guarantee you that McCain, Graham, etc would want to turn this into a Benghazi jerk-off.

I know the question is rhetorical, but it’s always worthwhile to state this in plain language.

The Republican Party objects to everything Obama does because it’s Obama doing it. They make no attempt to judge things in a rational manner. They are not a functioning political party of adults. They are a cult actively attempting to impede and destroy the very government they ask voters to send them to run. Anyone who votes for them at any level is complicit in this and should be ashamed of either their cluelessness or their willingness to put team before country.

21 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:53:31am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Who I wonder would be an acceptable pick for these senators? Obama chooses one of the current undersecretaries and I guarantee you that McCain, Graham, etc would want to turn this into a Benghazi jerk-off.

I’m waiting for them to blame Hagel for Benghazi. You know it’s coming.

22 iossarian  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:53:54am

Obama could mandate blowjobs in airport restrooms for all, and Republican senators would still object.

24 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:54:01am

They’d turn on Bolton the same way they did Hagel simply because it’s an Obama appointee and they want to make whoever the Sec of Defense designee is responsible for Benghazi outside the people you know actually responsible for Benghazi and who the new Sec of Defense will work his ass off to get.

25 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:54:07am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Obama could pick the ghost of Ronald Reagan and this GOP would find reason to complain about Reagan’s handling of Lebanon before and after the barracks bombing and Iran Contra.

But the complaints have more to do with who’s doing the nominating than the nominee even though some of it might be spite because Hagel’s playing ball for the Democrats rather than declining the spot.

26 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:54:24am

Maybe they’ll run off Hagel and have to see Michele Flournoy instead.

The number of heads exploding over a female SecDef would be deafening.

27 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:54:31am

re: #19 iossarian

Heh.

Micheal? I’m a fan of his whole catalog.
/

28 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:54:46am

re: #22 iossarian

Obama could mandate blowjobs in airport restrooms for all, and Republican senators would still object.

Larry Craig would be all for it.

29 iossarian  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:55:16am

re: #20 erik_t

I know the question is rhetorical, but it’s always worthwhile to state this in plain language.

The Republican Party objects to everything Obama does because it’s Obama doing it. They make no attempt to judge things in a rational manner. They are not a functioning political party of adults. They are a cult actively attempting to impede and destroy the very government they ask voters to send them to run. Anyone who votes for them at any level is complicit in this and should be ashamed of either their cluelessness or their willingness to put team before country.

+1, would upding again, etc.

This is why it’s so damaging that even now the Dems can’t actually bring themselves to nominate someone sane (i.e., non-Republican) to the position.

30 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:55:32am

re: #21 Lidane

I’m waiting for them to blame Hagel for Benghazi. You know it’s coming.

Not quite the same, but Graham is putting a hold against Hagel till Panetta (the man he’s replacing) testifies about Benghazi.

31 iossarian  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:55:34am

re: #28 Ghost of Tom Joad

Larry Craig would be all for it.

Sort of my point.

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:55:47am

re: #28 Ghost of Tom Joad

Larry Craig would be all for it.

But not in public…

33 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:56:14am

re: #28 Ghost of Tom Joad

Larry Craig would be all for it.

tap tap tap.

34 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:56:47am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

While we’ve had some good laughs with the failures of Christine ODonnell, Richard Mourdock, Todd Akin, and several other far-right loonies, the fact is the current U.S. Senate now includes Libertarian Rand Paul, and other wackos like Mike Lee of Utah and that former Club for Growth dude from PA, among many others.

As the culture moves progressively onward on matters of gender and gay rights, the Republican membership in Congress and in statehouses is doubling down on John Bircherism. In fact I’m not sure the John Birch Society could survive in this new far-right rebirth. We seem inevitably headed for a crackup.

35 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:57:19am

re: #19 iossarian

Heh.

Michael of course.

36 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:58:08am

re: #30 kirkspencer

At first they demanded Hilary come before their presence. After she smacked them around, they want to go after someone else. Pretty soon they will be demanding the ghost of Lee Aspin.

37 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:58:44am

re: #36 Bulworth

I meant Les Aspin. Late Secretary of Defense from the Clinton years.

38 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 10:59:25am

re: #34 Bulworth

While we’ve had some good laughs with the failures of Christine ODonnell, Richard Mourdock, Todd Akin, and several other far-right loonies, the fact is the current U.S. Senate now includes Libertarian Rand Paul, and other wackos like Mike Lee of Utah and that former Club for Growth dude from PA, among many others.

As the culture moves progressively onward on matters of gender and gay rights, the Republican membership in Congress and in statehouses is doubling down on John Bircherism. In fact I’m not sure the John Birch Society could survive in this new far-right rebirth. We seem inevitably headed for a crackup.

Toomey who I think will end up being a one termer. He really benefited from the GOP wave in 2010 and 2016 is a presidential election year. Beside the point but yeah it does seem for everyone O’Donnell, Mourdock, Akin, there is osmeone like Lee, Paul, Toomey, and I will add Texas’s Ted Cruz to the list too.

39 erik_t  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:00:09am

re: #37 Bulworth

I meant Les Aspin. Late Secretary of Defense from the Clinton years.

You know what was awesome about the Clinton years? We could goof up the name of his Secretary of Defense and not feel bad about it because it wasn’t a household name at or above the level of the damned Vice President.

40 Ming  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:01:57am

As Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel will be a living, breathing example that one can be a Republican, in an important position, and NOT be an uncompromising ideologue who is 100% committed to undermining the President. As with Obama’s reelection, this is something that some Republicans will just have to deal with.

41 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:02:56am

re: #40 Ming

As Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel will be a living, breathing example that one can be a Republican, in an important position, and NOT be an uncompromising ideologue who is 100% committed to undermining the President. As with Obama’s reelection, this is something that some Republicans will just have to deal with.

I think that’s what bothers them the most about him. He’s a reminder of what many of them once were and some of them never will be.

43 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:03:34am

I’d love to know what Dick Lugar thinks of Hagel’s appointment. Lugar was just another proof of the GOP’s drift into political insanity.

44 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:04:36am

re: #42 Kragar

Wyoming House Approves Unconstitutional Ban On Non-Existent Gun Laws

I guess Wyoming wanted to join the nuttiness too.

45 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:06:10am

re: #42 Kragar

Wyoming House Approves Unconstitutional Ban On Non-Existent Gun Laws

Is this really the hill that Republicans want to die upon?

46 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:06:21am
47 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:07:51am

re: #42 Kragar

Wyoming would join a bunch of other states that have been pushing this kind of law despite the Supremacy clause overriding these attempts (which would make this and the others unconstitutional).

48 erik_t  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:07:56am

re: #45 Targetpractice

Is this really the hill that Republicans want to die upon?

Every hill, every day, and twice on Sundays.

MOAR PURITY, MOAR

49 iossarian  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:08:01am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

50 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:08:10am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

NSFW. /

51 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:08:35am

re: #45 Targetpractice

Is this really the hill that Republicans want to die upon?

The rubes in the GOP base believe it, so yes.

52 Geoff with a G  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:08:42am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Bully!!!!!

53 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:09:11am

re: #52 Geoff with a G

Twitter Gulag.

54 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:09:25am

This makes me happy:

55 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:09:52am

Good lord, what a smarmy piece of shit Ted Cruz is.

56 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:10:19am

Ted Cruz.

The Republican Party’s newest designated attack poodle.

57 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:11:19am

re: #54 Lidane

This makes me happy:

Hahaha. Who knows, maybe Texas is in for a Virginia 2008 kind of year. I do think your governor election in 2014 will be where we get a better idea though.

58 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:11:49am
59 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:12:34am

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Hahaha. Who knows, maybe Texas is in for a Virginia 2008 kind of year. I do think your governor election in 2014 will be where we get a better idea though.

As long as Goodhair gets bounced out on his ass, I’m happy.

Personally, I’d love to see someone like Julian Castro run. I’m pretty sure that was the point of having him keynote the DNC last year. I like him. He’s young, smart, and seems like a genuinely good guy.

60 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:12:38am

Ted Cruz: Because peak wingnut is yet to come.

61 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:13:13am

re: #59 Lidane

As long as Goodhair gets bounced out on his ass, I’m happy.

Personally, I’d love to see someone like Julian Castro run. I’m pretty sure that was the point of having him keynote the DNC last year. I like him. He’s young, smart, and seems like a genuinely good guy.

Yeah I was real impressed with his speech. He’s got a bright future ahead of him.

62 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:14:46am

Haven’t seen any polls for the governor’s race here in Va this year but I have a feeling if the people of Virginia get to know and realize that Cuccinnelli is a whackjob, they’ll be happy to make him a failed candidate. I mean Bob McDonnell will pretend to be moderate. Kenny will never do it. Of course, the base will love him for that

63 erik_t  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:15:14am

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Ted Cruz: Because peak wingnut is yet to come.

Peak Wingnut is a myth. There will always be a few more (angry old white) dinosaurs lurking under a rock.

64 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:15:32am

re: #59 Lidane

As long as Goodhair gets bounced out on his ass, I’m happy.

Personally, I’d love to see someone like Julian Castro run. I’m pretty sure that was the point of having him keynote the DNC last year. I like him. He’s young, smart, and seems like a genuinely good guy.

Castro gives a make-or-break speech, and later OfA sets out to “Turn Texas Blue”. If I didn’t know better, I’d think my Dems have somehow got their shit together.

65 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:16:08am

LaBarbera: Gays as ‘Intolerant’ as ‘Jihadists’ and Will Use the Boy Scouts to Push ‘Deviant Sexuality’

Because if the last few years have shown us anything, its how much homosexuals are like jihadis.
/

66 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:17:01am

re: #65 Kragar

LaBarbera: Gays as ‘Intolerant’ as ‘Jihadists’ and Will Use the Boy Scouts to Push ‘Deviant Sexuality’

Because if the last few years have shown us anything, its how much homosexuals are like jihadis.
/

Ghey Bondage Knots Merit Badge.

67 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:18:53am

re: #59 Lidane

I loved his DNC speech. Young, energetic, Latino (should help in Texas), just seems like a very positive person. Hopefully that will help him win over the doom-and-gloom world that his opponents are always peddling.

68 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:20:08am

re: #42 Kragar

Wyoming House Approves Unconstitutional Ban On Non-Existent Gun Laws

The cherry on top is the part that makes it a crime for federal employees to enforce any federal gun laws in Wyoming.

Any federal employee, any federal gun law. Think about that for a minute or two.

But at least they knocked it down to a misdemeanor.

69 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:20:27am

Castro really gave me the same vibe that Obama in 2004 gave me. That this is a young guy with a lot of positivity, genuineness, passion, and pragmatism too. Still amazed with how young he is too. It’s funny to me that he’s closer to me in age than my youngest brother is to me.

70 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:21:24am

re: #65 Kragar

LaBarbera: Gays as ‘Intolerant’ as ‘Jihadists’ and Will Use the Boy Scouts to Push ‘Deviant Sexuality’

Because if the last few years have shown us anything, its how much homosexuals are like jihadis.
/

I must have missed all the gays attacking people who disagree with them. Plenty from Mr. LaBarbera’s side though. Though I won’t compare them to Jihadis because I am not a hyperbolic dipshit like Mr. LaBarbera.

71 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:21:27am

re: #59 Lidane

As long as Goodhair gets bounced out on his ass, I’m happy.

Personally, I’d love to see someone like Julian Castro run. I’m pretty sure that was the point of having him keynote the DNC last year. I like him. He’s young, smart, and seems like a genuinely good guy.

Castro is good, as is Cory Booker. However, both have a bit of an uphill battle due to their relative lack of national exposure. Clinton had - and excelled at - a high-profile position for the past four years. By doing so she succeeded, in my opinion in rebuilding a reputation that was damaged a bit from the prior primary between her and President Obama, and additionally gave her a huge leg up from a foreign relations standpoint.

72 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:21:44am

re: #68 kirkspencer

The cherry on top is the part that makes it a crime for federal employees to enforce any federal gun laws in Wyoming.

Any federal employee, any federal gun law. Think about that for a minute or two.

But at least they knocked it down to a misdemeanor.

I’m sure the Feds are thinking to themselves “we can’t wait for these hicks to try something like this so we can slap them with obstruction charges.”

73 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:22:32am

Holy crap, Wingnuts are blaming the Alabama hostage standoff on…Guess Who

74 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:24:45am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

Holy crap, Wingnuts are blaming the Alabama hostage standoff on…Guess Who

He’s exactly where he’s supposed to be—guiding the actions of the head of the Justice Dep’t whose FBI agents have the situation in hand.

75 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:24:51am

re: #71 RadicalModerate

I doubt either of those guys are going to challenge Hillary or JoeB if either decide to run. They’d both do themselves a favor and run for Senatorial positions (hoping maybe for a cabinet appointment down the road) and then run in 2020/2024. Now if Hill or JoeB don’t run, then it could be anybody’s race.

76 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:26:46am

Oh wow, Teh Firehose of Derp.

77 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:26:51am

re: #75 Ghost of Tom Joad

I doubt either of those guys are going to challenge Hillary or JoeB if either decide to run. They’d both do themselves a favor and run for Senatorial positions (hoping maybe for a cabinet appointment down the road) and then run in 2020/2024. Now if Hill or JoeB don’t run, then it could be anybody’s race.

It’s good to have them in the bullpen, but it’s much too soon. Their competition will be 2nd-term Senators Elizabeth Warren or Al Franken.

78 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:27:23am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

President Blackenstein didn’t personally teleport into that bunker and rescue that law-abiding gun owner from the whims of an autistic child! Manchurian Kenyan Communist Usurper!!!!

79 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:28:20am

re: #77 Decatur Deb

It’s good to have them in the bullpen, but it’s much too soon. Their competition will be 2nd-term Senators Elizabeth Warren or Al Franken.

I dunno. I don’t see Warren or Franken as presidential material. One senator, I like is New York’s Kirsten Gilibrand. She was one of the earliest Democratic senators to come out for gay marriage. She’s fairly young and I think would have wide appeal(she’s from upstate not NYC so, I think she’d be able to do well in more rural and blue collar areas)

80 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:28:41am

re: #78 Ghost of Tom Joad

President Blackenstein didn’t personally teleport into that bunker and rescue that law-abiding gun owner from the whims of an autistic child! Manchurian Kenyan Communist Usurper!!!!

If somebody (not me, cause they already know I am Teh Ebil Librul) were to Tweet that to TGDN, it would go viral.

81 darthstar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:29:30am
82 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:29:46am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

Holy crap, Wingnuts are blaming the Alabama hostage standoff on…Guess Who

Since Dykes is a anti-government militant survivalist type, I’m surprised they haven’t lauded him as some sort of hero as of yet.

83 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:30:03am

re: #81 darthstar

Oh come on.

84 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:30:21am

re: #82 RadicalModerate

Since Dykes is a anti-government militant survivalist type, I’m surprised they haven’t lauded him as some sort of hero as of yet.

Well, they are already calling it a “False Flag”

85 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:30:45am

re: #77 Decatur Deb

It’s good to have them in the bullpen, but it’s much too soon. Their competition will be 2nd-term Senators Elizabeth Warren or Al Franken.

I highly doubt either of them would do it. I think Warren is happy where she is, and Franken…I dunno, don’t see him going for it either.
re: #79 HappyWarrior

Yeah, agree on those 2. Not sure about Gillibrand. Very little exposure at this point in the game, though I do like her as one of my Senators.

86 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:30:57am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I don’t see Warren or Franken as presidential material. One senator, I like is New York’s Kirsten Gilibrand. She was one of the earliest Democratic senators to come out for gay marriage. She’s fairly young and I think would have wide appeal(she’s from upstate not NYC so, I think she’d be able to do well in more rural and blue collar areas)

Want to see Franken run in 2024 just to see how the geriatric SNL alumni react.

87 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:31:09am

re: #84 Vicious Babushka

Well, they are already calling it a “False Flag”

Yes everything’s a false flag that makes right wing nutjobs look bad. I believe Alex Jones wrote that page of the nutcase playbook.

88 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:31:22am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

Holy crap, Wingnuts are blaming the Alabama hostage standoff on…Guess Who

And what is it they expect Obama to do? What do they expect the Feds to do that the local police are not already doing?

89 darthstar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:31:24am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Oh come on.

Time to reset the # of days without a school shooting calendar to zero…again.

90 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:32:20am

re: #85 Ghost of Tom Joad

I highly doubt either of them would do it. I think Warren is happy where she is, and Franken…I dunno, don’t see him going for it either.
re: #79 HappyWarrior

Yeah, agree on those 2. Not sure about Gillibrand. Very little exposure at this point in the game, though I do like her as one of my Senators.

Yeah, that’s true. Maryland’s Martin O’Malley intrigues me too. He actually did better in his re-election in the Republican wave of 2010 than he did when he was first elected in 2006.

91 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:32:29am

re: #81 darthstar

Initial prediction: Another bullied student who found daddy’s gun and decided to stop the bullying once and for all.

92 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:32:41am

re: #89 darthstar

Time to reset the # of days without a school shooting calendar to zero…again.

Yeah. Sigh.

93 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:33:08am

re: #88 Targetpractice

And what is it they expect Obama to do? What do they expect the Feds to do that the local police are not already doing?

Feds (FBI) are running it—kidnapping nexus.

94 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:33:25am

re: #88 Targetpractice

And what is it they expect Obama to do? What do they expect the Feds to do that the local police are not already doing?

They don’t even have a clue.

95 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:34:15am

What right-wing racism?

96 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:34:30am

re: #88 Targetpractice

FBI is already involved through their HRT.

97 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:34:38am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Feds (FBI) are running it—kidnapping nexus.

So then they expect Obama to…what? Order the Feds to rush in there? They really don’t give a damn if the kid comes out alive, do they?

98 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:35:20am

re: #88 Targetpractice

And what is it they expect Obama to do? What do they expect the Feds to do that the local police are not already doing?

They expect Obama to finally recognize that he was voted into office by people who just want free stuff, to realize that he is not worth of running our great, god-fearing nation, and step down along with the rest of his lame excuse for a party.

Anything else would be unacceptable to them.

99 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:36:55am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

Holy crap, Wingnuts are blaming the Alabama hostage standoff on…Guess Who

I woke up in the middle of the night a few days ago and stubbed my toe. I’m absolutely convinced President Beelzebub dispatched some of his evil minions to move the furniture while I was sleeping. //

100 jaunte  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:37:01am

re: #84 Vicious Babushka

Well, they are already calling it a “False Flag”

The only people with a false flag are the twitteridiots with an inverted US flag in their avatar.

101 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:37:15am

re: #97 Targetpractice

So then they expect Obama to…what? Order the Feds to rush in there? They really don’t give a damn if the kid comes out alive, do they?

Pffft. Please.

102 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:38:21am

re: #100 jaunte

The only people with a false flag are the twitteridiots with an inverted US flag in their avatar.

Or the treasonous Stars ‘n’ Bars

103 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:38:33am

re: #100 jaunte

The only people with a false flag are the twitteridiots with an inverted US flag in their avatar.

There are false flags all over Dale County—the fucking battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

104 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:38:55am

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

Or the treasonous Stars ‘n’ Bars

Nothing says I love America like waving the flag of a nation formed to destroy it.

105 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:38:58am

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

3 seconds.

106 darthstar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:39:25am

re: #91 Targetpractice

Initial prediction: Another bullied student who found daddy’s gun and decided to stop the bullying once and for all.

The reason we have more school shootings is because we’ve had so many school shootings. It’s not video games that get kids to think about killing other kids.

107 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:39:39am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

3 seconds.

Beat ya, just like Sherman!

108 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:40:14am

re: #107 Vicious Babushka

Beat ya, just like Sherman!

Knew I should have left out ‘fucking’.

109 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:40:17am

re: #103 Decatur Deb

There are false flags all over Dale County—the fucking battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

Oh you mean the losers. At least the Chicago Cubs have people who are alive who remember them making it to the championship.

110 jaunte  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:40:26am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Babushka cavalry is lightning fast.

111 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:41:01am

re: #108 Decatur Deb

Knew I should have left out ‘fucking’.

“Treasonous” takes longer to type.

112 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:41:02am

Why do so many Wingnuts call people who put their words into action “False Flags”? They built that shit, they need to own it.

113 iossarian  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:41:57am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

“Treasonous” takes longer to type.

Mad typing skills, honed in cubicles across Metro Detroit.

114 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:42:02am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

For you maybe…

115 jaunte  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:42:21am

re: #112 Kragar

Paranoid stylers.

116 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:42:54am

These wingnuts might just end up boycotting every business on the planet except Papa John’s, Chick Fil A and Hobby Lobby.

117 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:43:14am

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

This TotalControlAgenda sounds intriguing. Is that a wing of the Twitter Gulag?

118 iossarian  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:43:22am

BBL

119 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:43:45am

Here is one wingnut’s boycott list:

120 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:44:07am

re: #117 Bulworth

This TotalControlAgenda sounds intriguing. Is that a wing of the Twitter Gulag?

Good name for a garage band…or a day-care center.

121 Ming  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:44:15am

re: #54 Lidane

Sorry, but I think if the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton in 2016, they’ll be taking a big risk. The risk is totally unnecessary; the Democrats have a great demographic advantage, and should win easily. But Hillary Clinton has been a prominent public figure for over 20 years, and many many voters have made up their minds about her. Personally, I would never vote for her.

I want the Democrats to win in 2016; it’s doubtful the Republicans will have regained their sanity by then. But not with Ms. Clinton. She’s done a fine job as Secretary of State, and she and her husband have made some great contributions, but she has a past, many voters will never vote for her, and there is no need for the Democrats to take the risk.

122 jaunte  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:45:41am

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

These wingnuts might just end up boycotting every business on the planet except Papa John’s, Chick Fil A and Hobby Lobby.

Wait til they find out where Hobby Lobby buys their stuff:
[Link: www.hkconnections.com.hk…]

123 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:45:46am

re: #121 Ming

Sorry, but I think if the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton in 2016, they’ll be taking a big risk. The risk is totally unnecessary; the Democrats have a great demographic advantage, and should win easily. But Hillary Clinton has been a prominent public figure for over 20 years, and many many voters have made up their minds about her. Personally, I would never vote for her.

I want the Democrats to win in 2016; it’s doubtful the Republicans will have regained their sanity by then. But not with Ms. Clinton. She’s done a fine job as Secretary of State, and she and her husband have made some great contributions, but she has a past, many voters will never vote for her, and there is no need for the Democrats to take the risk.

Funny, I think a lot of people said the same thing about that black guy with a funny middle-eastern name. That seemed to work pretty well IMO.

124 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:45:58am

re: #121 Ming

Sorry, but I think if the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton in 2016, they’ll be taking a big risk. The risk is totally unnecessary; the Democrats have a great demographic advantage, and should win easily. But Hillary Clinton has been a prominent public figure for over 20 years, and many many voters have made up their minds about her. Personally, I would never vote for her.

I want the Democrats to win in 2016; it’s doubtful the Republicans will have regained their sanity by then. But not with Ms. Clinton. She’s done a fine job as Secretary of State, and she and her husband have made some great contributions, but she has a past, many voters will never vote for her, and there is no need for the Democrats to take the risk.

That’s what I thought in the line to vote in the 2008 primary. I went with the bigger risk.

125 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:46:40am

re: #123 Ghost of Tom Joad

7 seconds. Should have skipped the wine at lunch.

126 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:48:21am

re: #112 Kragar

Why do so many Wingnuts call people who put their words into action “False Flags”? They built that shit, they need to own it.

It’s an odd thing for me. They almost constantly call for violent acts against anyone opposing their twisted ideology — whether it be for religious, racial, or political differences — then when someone takes their rhetoric to heart, it is always a “secret liberal”, a false flag, or a lone wolf. Then, right afterward, start the paranoid claims that THEY are the ones being persecuted.

127 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:48:28am

re: #125 Decatur Deb

7 seconds. Should have skipped the wine at lunch.

Hahaha. You know, I like Hillary well enough but I’d like to go with some new blood. Really depends though on how Obama’s administration is perceived in 2015-16. If they’re still considerably above 50%, I say it’s okay to go with someone who has ties to them. Less than 50 though, maybe go with an outsider. I think the Dems have a good stable and farm system though to use a horse racing and baseball analogy.

128 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:49:22am

re: #121 Ming

Sorry, but I think if the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton in 2016, they’ll be taking a big risk. The risk is totally unnecessary; the Democrats have a great demographic advantage, and should win easily. But Hillary Clinton has been a prominent public figure for over 20 years, and many many voters have made up their minds about her. Personally, I would never vote for her.

The point isn’t that Hillary should be the nominee. What makes me happy is that she’s beating all those guys IN TEXAS. This is a deeply red state. If she’s ahead in theoretical polls here now, that’s good news for the Dems in four years if they nominate the right person.

129 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:49:27am

MAGICAL BALANCE FAIRY COME HELP ME

130 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:49:47am

re: #126 RadicalModerate

It’s an odd thing for me. They almost constantly call for violent acts against anyone opposing their twisted ideology — whether it be for religious, racial, or political differences — then when someone takes their rhetoric to heart, it is always a “secret liberal”, a false flag, or a lone wolf. Then, right afterward, start the paranoid claims that THEY are the ones being persecuted.

The “secret liberal” is my favorite because you know us liberals, we go about our day planning massacres to making conservatives look bad. I mean I still remember emailing Anders Brevik and telling him to go through with it.//

131 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:50:04am

re: #121 Ming

Sorry, but I think if the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton in 2016, they’ll be taking a big risk. The risk is totally unnecessary; the Democrats have a great demographic advantage, and should win easily. But Hillary Clinton has been a prominent public figure for over 20 years, and many many voters have made up their minds about her. Personally, I would never vote for her.

I want the Democrats to win in 2016; it’s doubtful the Republicans will have regained their sanity by then. But not with Ms. Clinton. She’s done a fine job as Secretary of State, and she and her husband have made some great contributions, but she has a past, many voters will never vote for her, and there is no need for the Democrats to take the risk.

I really think she means it when she says she is retiring from politics. I think that she’s done with the 3 am phone calls (because let’s face it, the person calling the president is not going to be an anonymous staffer.)

Now I have a suspicion - no, make it an idle fantasy - that the next supreme court seat that opens gets offered to her. She doesn’t have the long-term legal chops, but historically that’s not been a problem.

132 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:50:10am

Well, have to say I’m for HRC at this point. I was all in for Obama in 2008. Donated the max. The campaign made me almost hate HRC a little. But I was a fan of hers before 2008 and her turn as Sec of State has made me one again. I don’t give two sh$ts what the wingnuts or village media want. And I don’t think it will matter to the opposition who we nominate anyway. They will hate him or her with equal vitriolic derp.

133 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:50:54am

re: #126 RadicalModerate

People do carry out the violent acts they’re hoping for, but it’s never against who they really want. School children, movie goers, mall shoppers? Please, those are just collateral damage.

Now if some lunatic mowed down a bunch of people at a gay pride parade, or celebrating MLK, or anything to do with PBO? They’d celebrate that.

134 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:51:37am

re: #132 Bulworth

Well, have to say I’m for HRC at this point. I was all in for Obama in 2008. Donated the max. The campaign made me almost hate HRC a little. But I was a fan of hers before 2008 and her turn as Sec of State has made me one again. I don’t give two sh$ts what the wingnuts or village media want. And I don’t think it will matter to the opposition who we nominate anyway. They will hate him or her with equal vitriolic derp.

Martin O’Malley is a secret leprechaun. Mark Warner has big chompers. Joe Biden said fuck once. Hillary sired her daughter with Janet Reno(you’re a real riot 1990’s John McCain)

135 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:52:19am

re: #121 Ming

I agree, she packs too much baggage and too many people have already made up their minds about her.

136 jaunte  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:52:31am

re: #126 RadicalModerate

It’s an odd thing for me. They almost constantly call for violent acts against anyone opposing their twisted ideology — whether it be for religious, racial, or political differences — then when someone takes their rhetoric to heart, it is always a “secret liberal”, a false flag, or a lone wolf. Then, right afterward, start the paranoid claims that THEY are the ones being persecuted.

Richard Hofstadter is still the classic reference:

“As a member of the avant-garde who is capable of perceiving the conspiracy before it is fully obvious to an as yet unaroused public, the paranoid is a militant leader. He does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician. Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated—if not from the world, at least from the theatre of operations to which the paranoid directs his attention. This demand for total triumph leads to the formulation of hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these goals are not even remotely attainable, failure constantly heightens the paranoid’s sense of frustration. Even partial success leaves him with the same feeling of powerlessness with which he began, and this in turn only strengthens his awareness of the vast and terrifying quality of the enemy he opposes.
The enemy is clearly delineated: he is a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, cruel, sensual, luxury-loving. Unlike the rest of us, the enemy is not caught in the toils of the vast mechanism of history, himself a victim of his past, his desires, his limitations. He wills, indeed he manufactures, the mechanism of history, or tries to deflect the normal course of history in an evil way. He makes crises, starts runs on banks, causes depressions, manufactures disasters, and then enjoys and profits from the misery he has produced.”
[Link: karws.gso.uri.edu…]

137 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:54:11am

re: #132 Bulworth

Well, have to say I’m for HRC at this point. I was all in for Obama in 2008. Donated the max. The campaign made me almost hate HRC a little. But I was a fan of hers before 2008 and her turn as Sec of State has made me one again. I don’t give two sh$ts what the wingnuts or village media want. And I don’t think it will matter to the opposition who we nominate anyway. They will hate him or her with equal vitriolic derp.

She’d be my first choice, the VP my second. Both have exploitable weaknesses, but the TPGOP will be running brothel recruiters by then. Age and health could change the game.

138 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:54:31am

re: #123 Ghost of Tom Joad

Funny, I think a lot of people said the same thing about that black guy with a funny middle-eastern name. That seemed to work pretty well IMO.

No, Obama had two big advantages: he had no scandals attached to his name (save for some made-up wingnut ones) and he was a likeable kinda fellow, aside from the frothing racists, most people, even those who oppose his politics, found him to be intelligent and affable.

Which meant that the smear campaigns that worked so well on Kerry just backfired on the GOP.

139 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:56:24am

Yes, he’s that Godwin:

140 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:56:59am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Hahaha. You know, I like Hillary well enough but I’d like to go with some new blood. Really depends though on how Obama’s administration is perceived in 2015-16. If they’re still considerably above 50%, I say it’s okay to go with someone who has ties to them. Less than 50 though, maybe go with an outsider. I think the Dems have a good stable and farm system though to use a horse racing and baseball analogy.

Have to agree with this. Be nice to be rid of some of the political dynasties we’ve had since the 80s floating around. But I think she could handily win, obviously, unless the next 3 years turn to complete shit. Would be nice to break another barrier by electing a woman to the highest office (or hell, at least have a woman as VP). I think that would be important, especially considering how much bullshit women are seeing from the Republican side of things as of late.

141 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:57:46am

My only reservation about HRC (or Joe for that matter) is age. HRC would be 69 in 2017 when she took office, which isn’t old compared to some other presidents (Reagan was about that age or older I think). But I still worry about the demands the office places on its occupants. And Hilary’s been through a lot. But I’m for her anyway. For now.

142 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:58:05am

House Judiciary Chair Introduces Unconstitutional Bill To Permanently Abolish The Income Tax

Last week, House Judiciary Chair Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) introduced the Tax Code Termination Act, which would abolish the entire federal tax code in 2018, with exceptions for Social Security and Medicare taxes — and replace it with, well, nothing. Goodlatte’s bill does offer some vague principles that should guide Congress in enacting a replacement tax system, but it does nothing to actually replace the massive amount of federal revenues it will eliminate.

In addition to cutting off about 60 percent of federal revenues, the bill includes an unconstitutional provision providing that the end of the tax code cannot be delayed except by a two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress. The Constitution does not permit a past Congress to tie the hands of a future Congress, so this provision making it functionally impossible for future congresses to delay the end of most federal revenue is unconstitutional.

143 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:58:25am

I think the better question I have is who the Republicans will nominate for president and vice president. They seem to be going young with VP while going fairly old for president. Perhaps this time, they nominate someone fairly young but an elder statesman type for VP. I’m not really seeing Rubio as their guy. I’m trying to think of someone who could win two of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina in the early primaries. Someone with big business and so con appeal which I suppose Rubio has because but I think he’ll become unpopular if his opponents make a big hay out of his stances on immigration. I mean we saw what happened to Perry when Perry took a somewhat reasonable stance on immigration. Granted Rubio seems to be smarter than Perry but I just don’t see Rubio being it. Maybe Jindal?

144 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:58:37am
145 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:59:01am

re: #141 Bulworth

I think most, well, sane people would support and elect her, but would rather some new blood as HW said.

146 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:59:11am

re: #139 Lidane

Yes, he’s that Godwin:

Yeah kids staying on their parents’ health care plan until their mid 20’s is just like genocide. Just like pizza is just like eating throw up.

147 erik_t  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 11:59:38am

re: #140 Ghost of Tom Joad

Have to agree with this. Be nice to be rid of some of the political dynasties we’ve had since the 80s floating around.

I’ll be honest, this was always a bit of a sticking point for me. I like to pretend that our country is a pure meritocracy. What are the odds that the most suitable candidate in the country just happened to be married to a previous president?

Unfair to Hillary, but my mind has always gone there.

148 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:00:04pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Yeah kids staying on their parents’ health care plan until their mid 20’s is just like genocide. Just like pizza is just like eating throw up.

Well, there is Papa John’s and Herman Cain’s Godfather pizza.

149 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:00:21pm

re: #142 Kragar

And this is the Party that controls the U.S. House of Representatives.

Sigh.

150 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:01:01pm

re: #147 erik_t

I’ll be honest, this was always a bit of a sticking point for me. I like to pretend that our country is a pure meritocracy. What are the odds that the most suitable candidate in the country just happened to be married to a previous president?

Unfair to Hillary, but my mind has always gone there.

President Adams, I’d like you to meet President Adams.

151 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:01:39pm

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

Well, there is Papa John’s and Herman Cain’s Godfather pizza.

Ha, or Pizza Hut. That’s some nasty pizza.

152 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:02:36pm

re: #147 erik_t

I’ll be honest, this was always a bit of a sticking point for me. I like to pretend that our country is a pure meritocracy. What are the odds that the most suitable candidate in the country just happened to be married to a previous president?

Unfair to Hillary, but my mind has always gone there.

Suitability for the presidency was in their pre-nup, right before the coin-toss.

153 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:03:04pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

I’d have to say they’re going to push for a minority-type of candidate. I’m sure the heads of their major organizations will surmise that it might be the only way to win with the changing demographics (unless they somehow manage to rig the elections as they’ve been trying). At least for the VP spot. I highly doubt it’ll be Jindal. He’s just too fucking creepy, like an evil Mr. Magoo.

Who’s that one..is it New Mexico where Susan Martinez is? Not too much national recognition, but I’d watch to see who folks like Fox News etc. start pushing in the next couple of years.

154 dragonath  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:03:54pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Dominos Pan Pizza is amazingly greasy. Like, seriously, lamp oil greasy.

155 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:04:10pm

Hahahaha. Looks like Robert Spencer is having a shitty day:

156 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:04:13pm

re: #149 Bulworth

And this is the Party that controls the U.S. House of Representatives.

Sigh.

I still support a bill that would require anyone advancing legislation which is an obvious waste of time to get punched in the genitals.

157 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:04:40pm

re: #154 dragonath

Dominos Pan Pizza is amazingly greasy. Like, seriously, lamp oil greasy.

Pizzahut isn’t bad.

158 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:05:00pm

re: #153 Ghost of Tom Joad

I’d have to say they’re going to push for a minority-type of candidate. I’m sure the heads of their major organizations will surmise that it might be the only way to win with the changing demographics (unless they somehow manage to rig the elections as they’ve been trying). At least for the VP spot. I highly doubt it’ll be Jindal. He’s just too fucking creepy, like an evil Mr. Magoo.

Who’s that one..is it New Mexico where Susan Martinez is? Not too much national recognition, but I’d watch to see who folks like Fox News etc. start pushing in the next couple of years.

One upding for the comment, one in escrow for ‘evil Mr. Magoo’.

159 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:05:35pm

re: #154 dragonath

Dominos Pan Pizza is amazingly greasy. Like, seriously, lamp oil greasy.

The mom and pop joints are usually better. There is one local chain I like though. Man do they do a wonderful job with my special pepperoni, feta, and spinach pizza.

160 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:06:10pm

re: #157 Kragar

Pizzahut isn’t bad.

You’re right. It’s awful. Seriously I am not even Italian and I think I reserve some right to call that heresy.

161 dragonath  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:06:27pm

I haven’t had Pizza Hut for a long time. It tastes okay, but the cheese they put on it makes me retch.

162 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:06:45pm

re: #153 Ghost of Tom Joad

I’d have to say they’re going to push for a minority-type of candidate. I’m sure the heads of their major organizations will surmise that it might be the only way to win with the changing demographics (unless they somehow manage to rig the elections as they’ve been trying). At least for the VP spot. I highly doubt it’ll be Jindal. He’s just too fucking creepy, like an evil Mr. Magoo.

Who’s that one..is it New Mexico where Susan Martinez is? Not too much national recognition, but I’d watch to see who folks like Fox News etc. start pushing in the next couple of years.

Good points.

163 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:07:44pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

re: #161 dragonath

The one by us is pretty good. I’m a thin crust fan.

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:08:10pm

re: #157 Kragar

Pizzahut isn’t bad.

just not good at all.

165 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:09:07pm

I make my own pizza. There is a kosher pizza parlor here, but they don’t deliver, so what’s the point?

166 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:09:46pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

The mom and pop joints are usually better.

That’s been my experience. There are some great local mom & pop joints for pizza here in town. I vastly prefer them over the big names.

167 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:09:48pm

re: #164 Sol Berdinowitz

just not good at all.

There is a great pizza place I know, I just don’t feel like driving 45 minutes to go get it.

168 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:10:10pm

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

Fuck. 2 wounded.

School officials confirm shooting at Atlanta middle school

School officials say two people were wounded in the shooting. One of the victims was a 14-year-old, MyFoxAtlanta.com reports.

2 in custody

169 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:10:39pm

re: #166 Lidane

That’s been my experience. There are some great local mom & pop joints for pizza here in town. I vastly prefer them over the big names.

The only local pizza place around us made me sick when we tried it.

170 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:11:14pm

re: #133 Ghost of Tom Joad

Now if some lunatic mowed down a bunch of people at a gay pride parade, or celebrating MLK, or anything to do with PBO? They’d celebrate that.

With the exception of a physical attack against the President (which I attest to the fact that he has round-the-clock Secret Service protection), each of those has taken place, during the past four years - just not to the level of a Anders Breivik mass-murder event - who not coincidentally has been given near-hero status by several of these same people.

171 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:12:09pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

The mom and pop joints are usually better. There is one local chain I like though. Man do they do a wonderful job with my special pepperoni, feta, and spinach pizza.

Local places or small chains are almost always better. The big mass-production places always use crap ingredients and way too much oil. It’s like the difference between a McDonald’s hamburger and one from a good restaurant.

172 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:13:06pm

re: #171 Ghost of Tom Joad

Local places or small chains are almost always better. The big mass-production places always use crap ingredients and way too much oil. It’s like the difference between a McDonald’s hamburger and one from a good restaurant.

Yep pretty much. I’m willing to pay a little more for quality. Not anti eating at chains mind you but I do like mom and pop places better or local businesses.

173 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:13:50pm

@CAMERAorg just reTweeted Gatestone again. (Check their timeline, I don’t know how to embed a reTweet)

174 Lidane  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:14:56pm

re: #171 Ghost of Tom Joad

Local places or small chains are almost always better. The big mass-production places always use crap ingredients and way too much oil. It’s like the difference between a McDonald’s hamburger and one from a good restaurant.

I’m still not convinced that McDonald’s is actually food. OTOH, one of the small local chains here in town is awesome.

175 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:18:24pm

re: #168 Bubblehead II

Fuck. 2 wounded.

School officials confirm shooting at Atlanta middle school

School officials say two people were wounded in the shooting. One of the victims was a 14-year-old, MyFoxAtlanta.com reports.

2 in custody

The comments on that site…are disturbing.

176 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:18:50pm

Rubio: ‘I Cannot Support’ Hagel’s Confirmation

Wow, that’s a surprise.

Someone give him something shiny and put him outside for the afternoon.

177 jaunte  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:19:29pm

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

Here’s a screenshot:
Image: Screen_shot_2013-01-31_at_2.18.25_PM.png

178 erik_t  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:19:57pm

re: #176 Kragar

Someone give him something shiny and put him outside for the afternoon.

I suggest Donald Trump’s head.

179 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:20:03pm

re: #175 Ghost of Tom Joad

The comments on that site…are disturbing.

How do you view the comments? I don’t have a foxnews.com account and I don’t feel like creating one just to read some deranged comments.

180 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:20:33pm

re: #177 jaunte

Here’s a screenshot:
Image: Screen_shot_2013-01-31_at_2.18.25_PM.png

So when does aigle get deleted?

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:22:24pm

re: #147 erik_t

I’ll be honest, this was always a bit of a sticking point for me. I like to pretend that our country is a pure meritocracy. What are the odds that the most suitable candidate in the country just happened to be married to a previous president?

Unfair to Hillary, but my mind has always gone there.

Why not queue a true right-wing freak-out and nominate Michelle Obama?

182 Awea  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:22:38pm

Way to lock up the Hispanic Vote Ann!

“The vast majority of illegal aliens are Hispanic, and Hispanics have a higher teen birthrate than any other ethnic group,” Coulter wrote in a Human Events op-ed condeming the Senate’s bipartisan reform plan. “In California, a majority of all Hispanic births are illegitimate. That’s a lot of Democratic voters coming.”

183 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:23:08pm

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

How do you view the comments? I don’t have a foxnews.com account and I don’t feel like creating one just to read some deranged comments.

Oops, I clicked through to the MyFoxAtlanta site thinking there was more to the story. That had comments at the bottom.

[Link: www.myfoxatlanta.com…] here

My bad.

184 jaunte  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:23:25pm

re: #175 Ghost of Tom Joad

The comments on that site…are disturbing.

Robert E McCarty · Winder, Georgia
obama wants our guns, and suddenly the news is full of school shootings and other gun violence. all the while, government agencies are stockpiling ammo and weapons to combat “civil unrest” must be coincidence…

185 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:23:57pm
186 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:24:12pm

re: #182 Awea

Way to lock up the Hispanic Vote Ann!

You know why they’re mostly Democratic, Ann? Because they see people like you representing the Republican party on issues that matter to them and they think rightfully “Fuck that party.” But hey enjoy being a minority. Maybe you’ll actually learn to empathize with other people for once instead of being a psychotic nutjob.

187 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:24:55pm

re: #175 Ghost of Tom Joad

The comments on that site…are disturbing.

No kidding.

Robert E McCarty · Winder, Georgia
obama wants our guns, and suddenly the news is full of school shootings and other gun violence. all the while, government agencies are stockpiling ammo and weapons to combat “civil unrest” must be coincidence…

FALSE FLAG!

188 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:25:42pm

re: #184 jaunte

Yeah because there were no shootings in school before Obama. No sir, it’s just a false flag by Obama to get your guns. Give me a fucking break, asshole.

189 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:25:43pm
government agencies are stockpiling ammo and weapons to combat “civil unrest” must be coincidence…

This is pretty much a staple of such paranoid ramblings. Once a Dem is elected, suddenly the other side claims gov agencies are “stockpiling” weapons and FEMA trailers. But the govt is of course hopelessly incompetent as well so all this should turn to naught. //

190 Ming  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:26:01pm

re: #131 kirkspencer

I really think she means it when she says she is retiring from politics. I think that she’s done with the 3 am phone calls (because let’s face it, the person calling the president is not going to be an anonymous staffer.)

Now I have a suspicion - no, make it an idle fantasy - that the next supreme court seat that opens gets offered to her. She doesn’t have the long-term legal chops, but historically that’s not been a problem.

Personally, I would be delighted if Hillary Clinton were appointed to the Supreme Court. But I think running for President is an entirely different category. No doubt many Republicans, and many Texans :) would be happy with Ms. Clinton as the nominee. It may or may not be fair, but after 20 years in the public eye, she is a unique and polarizing figure. I fervently rooted for Obama in the 2008 primaries, and I would fervently root for anyone-but-Hillary in the 2016 primaries.

191 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:26:07pm

re: #181 Feline Fearless Leader

Why not queue a true right-wing freak-out and nominate Michelle Obama?

LOL, that would immediately create 50,000 jobs to clean up all the exploded Republican heads all over the country.

192 Kragar  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:26:13pm

The new official GOP anthem:

193 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:26:19pm

re: #185 Kragar

Keep digging, GOPTP

194 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:34:30pm

re: #185 Kragar

Ann Coulter: Unwed Hispanic Teen Mothers Won’t Vote GOP

They are not about to do anything to get these people to vote GOP, just srite them off for not being Republican enough to begin with.

195 CarleeCork  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:35:50pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Keep an eye on George P. Bush, he’s being groomed for the job. His mom is Hispanic.

196 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:36:23pm

re: #194 Sol Berdinowitz

They are not about to do anything to get these people to vote GOP, just srite them off for not being Republican enough to begin with.

It’s funny how quickly they changed their tune. I always used to hear “these people should be voting Republican. They’re hard-working, believe in God, and believe in family.” In a very short time, that’s changed to “fuck’em, they won’t vote for us anyway.”

197 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 12:56:31pm

re: #195 CarleeCork

Keep an eye on George P. Bush, he’s being groomed for the job. His mom is Hispanic.

In the distant future, I can totally see that. G.P Bush in 2016? No.

198 Robert O.  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 1:20:49pm

In celebration of his confirmation, Chuck Hagel and President Obama will pray together at the mosque, followed by the ritual chant of “Allahu Akbar, Death to America and Death to Israel.”

//sarcasm off

199 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 1:23:18pm

re: #184 jaunte

The comments on that site…are disturbing.

Robert E McCarty · Winder, Georgia
obama wants our guns, and suddenly the news is full of school shootings and other gun violence. all the while, government agencies are stockpiling ammo and weapons to combat “civil unrest” must be coincidence…

Everyone is yelling about 2nd amendment remedies, yelling about a new revolution, saying that people that disagree with you are no better than Hitler (who should have been killed before he could come to power). All the while gun nuts are stockpiling weapons and ammunition. Then we have school shootings, movie theater shootings, shootings at outdoor political events, coincidence?

200 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 31, 2013 1:24:47pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

You know why they’re mostly Democratic, Ann? Because they see people like you representing the Republican party on issues that matter to them and they think rightfully “Fuck that party.” But hey enjoy being a minority. Maybe you’ll actually learn to empathize with other people for once instead of being a psychotic nutjob.

Nah, fuck her. Sometimes a bad example is what people need to see things correctly. Let he fling her feces.


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