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WaPo Ombudsman Calls for the Post to Better Understand Right Wing Homophobia

“We have chosen hell”
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Washington Post ombudsman Patrick Pexton struggles with the issue: Is the Post ‘Pro-Gay’?

Apparently, the Post has been getting emails from conservatives complaining that their anti-gay viewpoints are being marginalized. They’re not happy about it. Hating gay people is a core conservative value, and why doesn’t the Post understand that?

Pexton concludes that they have a point, and the Post needs to try harder to understand.

Still, just as I have written that The Post should do a better job of covering and understanding the anti-abortion movement, The Post should do a better job of understanding and conveying to readers, with detachment and objectivity, the beliefs and the fears of social conservatives.

I’m actually in favor of this, because if more people see what the gay-hating reactionary “social conservatives” really believe and fear, it will only serve to hasten their rejection by the rest of society.

For example, here’s Matt Barber, the quintessential social conservative, in the far right conspiracy journal World Net Daily with An Open Letter to ‘Gay’ Teens, helpfully explaining that they’re not gay, they’re sinners. And they’re doomed to burn in hell forever unless they repent.

I’ve had many people ask me what I’d say to my children if one of them came to me and declared: “Dad, I’m gay.”

Here’s what I’d say. I’d tell them exactly what I’m about to tell you.

I love you. I neither judge you nor condemn you. I accept you and I would die for you.

But you are not “gay.”

Yes, you may be physically attracted to people of the same sex, but how you act on those attractions is entirely your choice. Who you are - your identity - is not defined by your sexual feelings, temptations or behaviors. The difference between who you are and what you feel or do is as the difference between night and day.

But you are flawed - you are a sinner. …

Homosexual behavior is always wrong - demonstrably and absolutely wrong.

Period. …

In fact, homosexual sin is expressly identified in both the Old and New Testaments as being among the list of sins that, if committed without repentance, will prevent you from “inheriting the kingdom of God.”

That is to say, yes; unrepentant homosexual behavior is disobedience to God. If we rebel against God and refuse to repent and ask His forgiveness, then we have chosen our own fate - we have chosen to disqualify ourselves from heaven.

We have chosen hell.

That’s what Matt Barber would say to his own son.

Yes, by all means, let’s really try hard to “understand” what’s going on in this religious fanatic’s head.

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102 comments

1 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:34:03pm

*grr*

2 erik_t  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:34:21pm
The difference between who you are and what you feel or do is as the difference between night and day.

Dafuq.

3 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:35:00pm

Matt Barber is a disgusting excuse for a human being.

The problem isn’t that normal people don’t understand the homophobes position. We understand it and its fucking repellant.

4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:36:55pm

yes, let’s give these nuts more exposure. This will do wonders for republican electoral prospects considering how tied they are to these asshats.

5 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:37:51pm

re: #3 Kragar (Antichrist )

There is a certain brand of earnest homophobe who is sure gay men are just miserable. They actually exist. Of course, they have to force themselves to avoid noticing all the happy and successful gay men, but by only focusing on the sad cases, they can stay inside their little bubble.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:38:43pm

Why would a homosexual possibly be depressed? Because he has family members telling him he’s broken, possessed by demons, a horrible shame to the family and that God hates him et cetera? Or because he’s a dirty sinner who just needs to be “healed”?

That makes perfect sense.
///

I want to burn something now.

7 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:40:17pm

re: #5 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There is a certain brand of earnest homophobe who is sure gay men are just miserable. They actually exist. Of course, they have to force themselves to avoid noticing all the happy and successful gay men, but by only focusing on the sad cases, they can stay inside their little bubble.

That’s why they hate Ellen Degeneres. She seems to be happy and successful.

The proper gay person either gives it up or kills themself.

8 erik_t  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:40:27pm

re: #5 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

but by only focusing on the sad cases, they can stay inside their little bubble.

What, you mean like Bryan Fischer?

9 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:41:37pm

re: #7 wrenchwench

That’s why they hate Ellen Degeneres. She seems to be happy and successful.

And all over the TV where the children can see her being happy and successful.

10 Lidane  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:43:26pm

I will never, ever understand how people get tripped up by another person’s sexuality. It’s a speed bump less than an inch high on the road of life, like a person’s race or gender.

These people are deranged.

Also, stolen gleefully from George Takei’s FB page:

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11 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:44:17pm

Seems like that mindset Barber is pushing is what creates these self-hating types who obsessively rant and rave against teh ghey.

Fucking sick people.

Why can’t these shits just leave people alone. Women, gays, minorities…just leave these people be.

12 simoom  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:45:29pm

@Charles:

I’m actually in favor of this, because if more people see what the gay-hating reactionary “social conservatives” really believe and fear, it will only serve to hasten their rejection by the rest of society.

The Post actually had a regular column set up for deep diving into the Right, with Dave Weigel doing the reporting, but then of course the Right had him removed over their “Journo-list” fake scandal, and WaPo swapped a reporter for a propagandist.

13 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:45:45pm
Still, just as I have written that The Post should do a better job of covering and understanding the anti-abortion movement, The Post should do a better job of understanding and conveying to readers, with detachment and objectivity, the hatred, paranoia, and general dimwittedness beliefs and the fears of social conservatives.

fxd

14 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:45:46pm

When I hear about someone “coming out”, I admire them for being brave enough to do so.

When I hear about someone being “born again”, I’m disappointed with them for falling into that sick microscopic cultist mind set.

15 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:48:02pm
Still, just as I have written that The Post should do a better job of covering and understanding the anti-abortion movement, The Post should do a better job of understanding and conveying to readers, with detachment and objectivity, the beliefs and the fears of social conservatives.

Doesn’t the Post already have Jen Rubin, George effin Will, Charles Krauthammer, and Marc torture-apologist Thiessan writing for them? That would seem more ‘understanding’ then necessary.

16 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:48:23pm

re: #14 Kragar (Antichrist )

When I hear about someone “coming out”, I admire them for being brave enough to do so.

When I hear about someone being “born again”, I’m disappointed with them for falling into that sick microscopic cultist mind set.

It doesn’t have to be that way. I met a gay couple last Saturday in Frankfurt who attend an Episcopal church there with a gay minister.

17 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:49:29pm

re: #14 Kragar (Antichrist )

When I hear about someone “coming out”, I admire them for being brave enough to do so.

When I hear about someone being “born again”, I’m disappointed with them for falling into that sick microscopic cultist mind set.

Anytime I hear about somebody being “born again,” I immediately think to myself this person should either still be in jail, or they done got away with some shit they should be arrested for.

18 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:50:00pm

re: #16 Sol Berdinowitz

It doesn’t have to be that way. I met a gay couple last Saturday in Frankfurt who attend an Episcopal church there with a gay minister.

So far, every born againer person I know has gone hardcore dominionist Evangelical.

19 erik_t  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:50:05pm

re: #16 Sol Berdinowitz

It doesn’t have to be that way. I met a gay couple last Saturday in Frankfurt who attend an Episcopal church there with a gay minister.

I feel safe saying that not many Episcopals have ever described themselves as “born again”.

It’s exclusively an evangelical thing, or close enough for most practical purposes.

20 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:50:17pm

re: #10 Lidane

It never made any sense to me either, and my parents are way homophobic. But I grew up in San Francisco and I knew some gay men— like one librarian, and my grandmother’s hairdresser. And they were just normal adults, and they were both very nice.

That’s what’s winning this, as much as any sort of political and legal strategy. Gay people are living openly and they’re nothing scary, they’re just people, their sexuality doesn’t matter, so kids today are growing up just not giving a shit.

It’s a lovely thing.

21 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:55:11pm
Still, just as I have written that The Post should do a better job of covering and understanding the anti-abortion movement, The Post should do a better job of understanding and conveying to readers, with detachment and objectivity, the beliefs and the fears of social conservatives.

“Some people say teh gay are perfectly normal people like you and me. Other people, especially barberous wingnuts who would still be burning witches at the stake if they could, seem to think teh gay are a problem. We’ll try to air both sides of the debate.”

22 sagehen  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:55:47pm

re: #7 wrenchwench

That’s why they hate Ellen Degeneres. She seems to be happy and successful.

The proper gay person either gives it up or kills themself.

They’re just jealous because her wife is prettier than theirs.

23 Mattand  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 1:59:14pm

re: #20 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It never made any sense to me either, and my parents are way homophobic. But I grew up in San Francisco and I knew some gay men— like one librarian, and my grandmother’s hairdresser. And they were just normal adults, and they were both very nice.

That’s what’s winning this, as much as any sort of political and legal strategy. Gay people are living openly and they’re nothing scary, they’re just people, their sexuality doesn’t matter, so kids today are growing up just not giving a shit.

It’s a lovely thing.

Your parents were homophobic and lived in San Fran? How does that work out? From that perspective, they couldn’t have chosen a worse place to live!

24 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:04:01pm

re: #23 Mattand

Your parents were homophobic and lived in San Fran? How does that work out? From that perspective, they couldn’t have chosen a worse place to live!

There aren’t actually that many gay people as a percentage of the population and they tend to live highly concentrated in the Castro.

Now, I’m happy to say, there’s a big mansion flying the rainbow flag on the same block as my parents.

My parents aren’t hater homophobes. They’re just “That’s unnatural” homophobes who have a screwed up religious idea about sex anyway. They’re very conflicted on gay marriage, for example, they like the commitment of it but they’re all freaked out about the word and stuff.

But it’s very low down on their list of priorities, way down below poverty and education and all that jazz.

25 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:05:53pm

We have chosen hell

better floorshow

26 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:07:01pm

re: #25 engineer cat

We have chosen hell

better floorshow

I’ve heard they serve dinner too.

27 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:08:01pm
Homosexual behavior is always wrong -demonstrably and absolutely wrong.

Why?

Please show your work.

28 Mattand  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:09:26pm

re: #24 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There aren’t actually that many gay people as a percentage of the population and they tend to live highly concentrated in the Castro.

Now, I’m happy to say, there’s a big mansion flying the rainbow flag on the same block as my parents.

My parents aren’t hater homophobes. They’re just “That’s unnatural” homophobes who have a screwed up religious idea about sex anyway. They’re very conflicted on gay marriage, for example, they like the commitment of it but they’re all freaked out about the word and stuff.

But it’s very low down on their list of priorities, way down below poverty and education and all that jazz.

I can sort of relate. Had one parental unit teach me not to be bigoted while growing up. After I turned 18, turns out it was one of the worst cases of “Do as I say, not do as I do” I’ve ever experienced.

The corkers were telling me he didn’t like two of my friends, partly because they’re Jewish, and later saying my friend with a PhD in physics was lazy because he spent too much time in school. Said friend was married and starting a family at the time.

Don’t even get him started on black people/African Americans.

It’s a sort of lazy, ingrained judgmental bigotry. He’d never act on it, but it’s disturbing to know the thought process is there.

One of the worst moments of your life is finding out your parents are actual people, with all of the foible/faults that that entails.

29 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:10:40pm

re: #27 Bulworth

Why?

Please show your work.

Addendum: The Bible is not acceptable as scientific data to prove your point.

30 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:11:26pm

re: #27 Bulworth

Why?

Please show your work.

i think there’s a divide by zero somewhere

31 Lidane  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:13:06pm

re: #30 engineer cat

i think there’s a divide by zero somewhere

Also the square root of -1 is there too.

32 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:14:38pm

re: #27 Bulworth

Why?

Please show your work.

I just read that whole piece by Barber.

It’s hideous. I am so sorry for his children, even if they aren’t gay.

33 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:15:08pm

On my phone outside my wife’s place of business stalking her as I do most days, when I mistakenly read a portion of previous thread. All of the regulars who pass by my location every day are undoubtedly now positive I’m as batshit crazy as they’ve always feared.

34 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:16:57pm

The Christian Science Monitor is very concerned: Michelle Obama Announces ‘Best Picture’ at Oscars. Was That Appropriate?

I just want to yell “GET A LIFE!” at these people.

35 Mattand  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:17:05pm

re: #33 b_sharp

On my phone outside my wife’s place of business stalking her as I do most days, when I mistakenly read a portion of previous thread. All of the regulars who pass by my location every day are undoubtedly now positive I’m as batshit crazy as they’ve always feared.

On the bright side, they won’t pester you to kick in for birthday and baby shower donations.

36 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:17:26pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

The Christian Science Monitor is very concerned: Michelle Obama Announces ‘Best Picture’ at Oscars. Was That Appropriate?

I just want to yell “GET A LIFE!” at these people.

You just did.

37 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:18:04pm

Federal Election Commission Republicans Block Enforcement Against GOP Donor

The Federal Election Commission deadlocked along party lines on whether to hold accountable a Republican contractor who blatantly circumvented campaign finance limits. While the three Democratic commissioners agreed that William A. “Aaron” Bennett had willfully violated federal election law by offering to reimburse friends if they donated to Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA), the three FEC Republicans blocked the determination and allowed Bennett to escape with a mere $4,000 fine and a warning.

38 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:19:17pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Oscars-gate. What did the president know and when did he know it?

//

39 Lidane  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:19:45pm
40 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:22:33pm

re: #35 Mattand

On the bright side, they won’t pester you to kick in for birthday and baby shower donations.

I feel for them. Watching a guy with a shaved head, a moustache and goatee who has been described as a looking like a biker losing his shit in a tiny car must be more than a little disturbing.

41 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:26:11pm

Suddenly, Ronnie James Dio…

42 Lidane  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:28:40pm
43 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:31:00pm

re: #42 Lidane

I wish them luck at getting toxic candidates thru primaries where they can get crushed in general elections.
/

44 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:36:24pm

re: #42 Lidane

The National Organization against Marriage sure hates marriage, don’t they?

45 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:40:34pm

Elf - Streetwalker Live In USA 06.10.1973

46 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:44:33pm

From Townhall.com

It’s Time to See Joe McCarthy For the Hero He Was

Freshman Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas is just the latest in a long series of public figures to be reviled for “McCarthyism” following his recent questioning of Chuck Hagel, President Obama’s nominee for secretary of defense. The response? Conservatives have rushed to defend their own against the charge. To understate the case, that’s not enough. It’s time to debunk McCarthyism itself.

No matter how much evidence vindicating the late Sen. Joe McCarthy comes out, what we call McCarthyism remains anathema in American life. Simply to utter the word is to deep-freeze debate, even thought itself. Even as we learn about the history-changing extent to which American traitors working for the Kremlin penetrated and subverted the U.S. government (including many individuals investigated by McCarthy), the unsupportable fact remains that nothing in American public life is worse than to be compared to the man best known for his uncompromising fight against the secret, massive assault on our nation. When will we realize it’s time to make amends and honor his memory?

Apparently this is not an attempt at satire.

47 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:46:29pm
No matter how much evidence vindicating the late Sen. Joe McCarthy comes out

Which is to say, none.

48 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:47:20pm

And I’m off to the gym. Later.

49 Mattand  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:50:10pm

re: #46 Kragar (Antichrist )

From Townhall.com

It’s Time to See Joe McCarthy For the Hero He Was

Apparently this is not an attempt at satire.

It’s like the election of a black President has driven these people so far off the cliff, they need to literally re-write history to make themselves feel better.

50 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:52:40pm

Dear Social Conservatives,

Fuck your hateful, child-killing, piece of shit lie of a god right in the ear.

/rebelling AGINST GAWD

51 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:54:39pm

OT, but while looking for a Geography related job, I got hit over the head with a hammer.

Ultimecia’s Plan in Final Fantasy VIII, and Rassilon’s plan during the Last Great Time War? They are essentially the same thing.

What does that make Ellone then?

52 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:56:09pm

NOAA says there is 100% chance of snow and sleet in my part of the world today. I was just outside running an errand in a sweater and loafers with no socks. It’s sunny and beautiful. Perfect for day for photography.

53 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 2:59:37pm

re: #19 erik_t

I feel safe saying that not many Episcopals have ever described themselves as “born again”.

It’s exclusively an evangelical thing, or close enough for most practical purposes.

If I ever met someone who said they were a “born again” RC, I’d laugh in their face.

LOL

54 Lidane  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:03:38pm

re: #46 Kragar (Antichrist )

From Townhall.com

It’s Time to See Joe McCarthy For the Hero He Was

Apparently this is not an attempt at satire.

Coultergeist has been flogging the whole JOE MCCARTHY WUZ A HERO fail for a few years now.

It amazes me that they skip over how his story ended.

55 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:04:55pm

re: #46 Kragar (Antichrist )

From Townhall.com

It’s Time to See Joe McCarthy For the Hero He Was

Apparently this is not an attempt at satire.

The right has never stopped loving Tailgunner Joe.

56 bratwurst  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:08:15pm

Big news: the man who treats politics like professional wrestling is now being honored for his body of work!

57 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:21:48pm

bbl

58 Amory Blaine  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:26:03pm

I don’t know if MSM needs to be more anti gay to show how hateful conservatives are. We already know that. Young people don’t need to be marginalized by hateful scum anymore than they are already.

59 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:31:50pm

re: #56 bratwurst

Big news: the man who treats politics like professional wrestling is now being honored for his body of work!

Ha! Maybe Trump could debate that with Glenn Beck.

Or better yet, a steel cage match.

60 Tigger2  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:33:40pm

re: #56 bratwurst

Big news: the man who treats politics like professional wrestling is now being honored for his body of work!

That honor pretty well matches his intelligence level, both are very low.

61 RadicalModerate  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:46:44pm

One of the few individuals with a shred of integrity from the Reagan White House has passed away.
Former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop dies at age 96

(CNN) — Former U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop died peacefully at his home on Monday, Dartmouth College said. He was 96.

Koop served as surgeon general from 1982 to 1989, under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

He was outspoken on public health issues and did much to raise the profile the office of the surgeon general.

He died at his home in Hanover, New Hampshire, the college said in a news release.

62 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:48:19pm

re: #49 Mattand

It’s like the election of a black President has driven these people so far off the cliff, they need to literally re-write history to make themselves feel better.

Actually, they’ve been trying to do that for quite some time. We did not get out of the great depression with government spending, Tailgunner Joe was a misunderstood hero, we were winning VietNam till we got stabbed in the back by the liberals, and a host of other things that say basically the US took the wrong way in the 1860s and has been adding error upon error since then.

63 Shvaughn  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:48:42pm

re: #61 RadicalModerate

One of the few individuals with a shred of integrity from the Reagan White House has passed away.
Former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop dies at age 96

When it comes to health matters, maybe it’s a good idea to listen to the guy who lived to be 96 freakin’ years old!

64 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:51:15pm

It’s Time to See Joe McCarthy For the

well, he did have a truly first class Apocalyptic Threatening Crazy Person tone of voice

65 Gus  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:52:00pm
66 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:54:46pm

re: #63 Shvaughn

And died at home instead of spending his last months in an ICU. Good for him.

67 Gus  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 3:55:48pm

Living wage for 2 Adults, 1 Child in Minneapolis is $18.66/hr.

Poverty wage is for this condition is $8.00/hr.

The minimum wage there is $7.25/hr.

[Link: livingwage.mit.edu…]

68 Kid A  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:01:08pm

Ya know, it’s been a lot of fun watching the Republicans eat each other’s young lately. Kind of like the Romans’ entertainment with the lions and the Christians.

69 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:03:43pm

LADY, U R BLONDE AND STUPID!

70 Mattand  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:03:48pm

re: #62 kirkspencer

Actually, they’ve been trying to do that for quite some time. We did not get out of the great depression with government spending, Tailgunner Joe was a misunderstood hero, we were winning VietNam till we got stabbed in the back by the liberals, and a host of other things that say basically the US took the wrong way in the 1860s and has been adding error upon error since then.

I know a conservative born-again who told me with a straight face that Nixon wasn’t undone by Watergate. It was those damn anti-war hippies that turned the nation against him.

Also, the Girl Scouts have a lesbian agenda, according to this person. Apparently, one bite of those cookies and Ellen DeGeneres swoops in and brainwashes you.

71 Gus  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:05:32pm

And a living wage means basically living like a saint.

72 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:06:35pm

re: #70 Mattand

I know a conservative born-again who told me with a straight face that Nixon wasn’t undone by Watergate. It was those damn anti-war hippies that turned the nation against him.

Also, the Girl Scouts have a lesbian agenda, according to this person. Apparently, one bite of those cookies and Ellen DeGeneres swoops in and brainwashes you.

Yeah, well I guess I’ll have to live with it, because they’re taking those Thin Mints from my cold, dead hands!

//

73 Shvaughn  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:09:31pm

re: #70 Mattand

Also, the Girl Scouts have a lesbian agenda, according to this person. Apparently, one bite of those cookies and Ellen DeGeneres swoops in and brainwashes you.

The Girl Scouts are really good on LGBT issues lately — especially compared to the Boy Scouts — and that’s apparently got a bunch of social conservatives frothing mad.

74 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:09:38pm

re: #71 Gus

And a living wage means basically living like a saint.

It says living wage for Portland is something like $9 an hour. That seems really low and impractical even for a penny pincher like me. I’m also pretty sure the average $9 per hour job also doesn’t come with health insurance and there’s no way you could afford to buy your own on that.

75 Gus  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:15:29pm

re: #74 Killgore Trout

It says living wage for Portland is something like $9 an hour. That seems really low and impractical even for a penny pincher like me. I’m also pretty sure the average $9 per hour job also doesn’t come with health insurance and there’s no way you could afford to buy your own on that.

I guess “medical” would mean band aids, aspirin, Tums.

76 Gus  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:18:00pm

The current minimum wage is more like a nice allowance.

77 Gus  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:20:31pm

Even raising it to $9/hr wouldn’t be enough. Oh well. Guess we need that money in society to pay for super stars and CEOs.

78 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:21:24pm

re: #76 Gus

The current minimum wage is more like a nice allowance.

I can’t wait until my mom goes into an assisted living retirement home so I can move back in with her.

79 Shvaughn  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:22:05pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

I can’t wait until my mom goes into an assisted living retirement home so I can move back in with her.

Upding cuz I like it when you say funny stuff instead of lying about Dkos or whatever.

80 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:23:50pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

I can’t wait until my mom goes into an assisted living retirement home so I can move back in with her.

I’m already teaching my kids that I’m taking care of them now so they can take care of me when they get a place.

81 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:26:00pm

re: #77 Gus

Even raising it to $9/hr wouldn’t be enough. Oh well. Guess we need that money in society to pay for super stars and CEOs.

For me, wife, and 2 kids its $20.11. After taxes are taken out we would be living in a van down by the river.

82 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:28:58pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

For me, wife, and 2 kids its $20.11. After taxes are taken out we would be living in a van down by the river.

I’m barely making a living wage for San Diego.

83 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:35:54pm

The minimum wage arguments always anger me. I always like to start by asking the people how much they think they would need to barely survive. When they start talking about food stamps and such I remind them that we’re talking of trying to make people work so they don’t need those, so let’s not include them.

Simple number, what is the absolute minimum you’d need to get by.

$7.50 an hour is ~$15,000 per year. Was your number that low? No? Then your choice is push for a higher minimum wage or push to expand food stamps and other care OR… to deal with a lot of hungry, angry people. Sooner or later that’s the choice.

84 darthstar  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:36:04pm

I get $450 a week right now in unemployment benefits. Start my new job next Monday, thank goodness. $450 a week is barely enough for gas, a few utilities, dog food, and bourbon…fortunately my wife makes a good salary too, so she was able to cover our mortgage and other expenses the last two months and our savings burn rate was only about 2k a month.

The good thing about being unemployed for three months was we learned how to budget again - so we will start saving a bit more than we were and still be able to enjoy ourselves.

85 deadletterboy  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:37:28pm

Relevant. And awesome.

86 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:41:52pm

re: #84 darthstar

I get $450 a week right now in unemployment benefits. Start my new job next Monday, thank goodness. $450 a week is barely enough for gas, a few utilities, dog food, and bourbon…fortunately my wife makes a good salary too, so she was able to cover our mortgage and other expenses the last two months and our savings burn rate was only about 2k a month.

The good thing about being unemployed for three months was we learned how to budget again - so we will start saving a bit more than we were and still be able to enjoy ourselves.

I know what you mean. I was unemployed for 4 months 4 years ago and collected unemployment for the first time in my life. I hated every minute of it. I must have averaged 10 applications a day until I found my current job.

87 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:42:17pm

re: #77 Gus

Even raising it to $9/hr wouldn’t be enough. Oh well. Guess we need that money in society to pay for super stars and CEOs.

Asshole billionaire CEO says minimum wage should be abolished altogether!

THOSE PEONS SHOULD PAY THE JOB CREATORS FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING A JRRB!1!

88 freetoken  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:42:45pm

Yes, not only is WWE going to push Donald Trump to the front of TV again tonight, but they’re not done with Glenn Beck yet:

WWE NEWS: WWE pushing forward with Glenn Beck angle tonight

WWE is pushing forward with its attempt to get conservative commentator Glenn Beck to appear on Monday’s Raw. After Beck declined to appear, tweeting Friday that he is “booked for anything else,” WWE issued the following press release two hours before the start of Raw that they will attempt to bring Raw to Beck.

*** MEDIA ADVISORY ***

GLENN BECK SAYS NO TO RAW, WWE GOES TO BECK

Glenn Beck has declined WWE’s invitation to address our fans live tonight on Raw, in response to a segment that aired on TheBlaze last week where Beck referenced WWE as “stupid wrestling people.”

Instead, WWE is sending a video crew to Beck’s studios to get comment from the talk show host and political commentator.

Tune-in to Monday Night Raw tonight at 8/7C on USA Network to see if Beck responds.

They’re going all in with this Zeb character skit. Trying to have Donald Trump (who was worked prominently before with McMahon) and Glenn Beck on the same show on one night = wingnut overload.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:42:47pm

And congrats to finding a job!

90 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:42:50pm

Mike Huckabee: Abortion an ‘incredible Holocaust of our own’

During his keynote speech at the Republican Party of Iowa’s Celebrate Life event on Saturday, Fox News host Mike Huckabee compared abortion in the United States to the systematic elimination of the Jewish population by the Nazis.

Huckabee recalled that Oskar Schindler, a Nazi businessman, saved roughly 1,200 Jews from the Holocaust by employing them in his factories. The former Arkansas governor said the country could use a few more people like Schindler who were willing to “intervene on behalf of human life.”

“And now we are called into this incredible Holocaust of our own in America,” Huckabee continued. “Fifty-five million babies. Fifty-five million babies since 1973 have died in what ought to be the safest place in the world, their mother’s womb. It has become one of the most dangerous places for a baby to be. For us, this is not about the politics of Democrat or Republican, winning or losing — it is about our capacity to one day stand before a holy God and give an account for whether we stood between life and death for those who had no voice but ours.”

Since its such a big deal, maybe you and your ilk should stop blocking every attempt for women to get birth control, you fucking bastard.

91 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:43:20pm

I could not watch that entire video of Asshole CEO Peter Schitt. I would have put a shoe through my monitor.

92 freetoken  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:44:14pm

re: #90 Kragar (Antichrist )

Mike Huckabee: Abortion an ‘incredible Holocaust of our own’

Since its such a big deal, maybe you and your ilk should stop blocking every attempt for women to get birth control, you fucking bastard.

What, and let women poison their bodies? You’re not pushing poisoning bodies, are you?

93 darthstar  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:45:18pm

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

And congrats to finding a job!

Thanks…I’m pretty excited about it…company has a ‘social good’ aspect to it. Will share details in time, but suffice it to say I’m moving to a fairly stable area in the IT world so the long term prospects are good…much better than the social marketing company I was with before…that was a stupid move on my part in retrospect.

94 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:45:57pm

re: #92 freetoken

What, and let women poison their bodies? You’re not pushing poisoning bodies, are you?

Oh of course not. They should have a rum and coke and smoke a few cigarettes to relax.

95 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:48:48pm

re: #93 darthstar

Thanks…I’m pretty excited about it…company has a ‘social good’ aspect to it. Will share details in time, but suffice it to say I’m moving to a fairly stable area in the IT world so the long term prospects are good…much better than the social marketing company I was with before…that was a stupid move on my part in retrospect.

Heh. There are a few jobs I took that I have regretted.

96 freetoken  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:51:45pm
97 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:54:41pm

re: #86 NJDhockeyfan

I know what you mean. I was unemployed for 4 months 4 years ago and collected unemployment for the first time in my life. I hated every minute of it. I must have averaged 10 applications a day until I found my current job.

I gave up for a while. I’ll be five years unemployed come July. It’s an odd congruence of factors in my case. The largest is a HUGE glut of people in my professions.

The thing that really annoys me the most about it is that I was offered two jobs within the first six months. The first was for half what I’d been earning and lower than any other employee at the site. So I counteroffered, asking for some additional benefits in lieu of salary. They said goodbye. The second same thing, I said I’d take it, they decided I wasn’t aggressive enough because I didn’t counter-offer.

It is more than a little frustrating when the lesson you learn from (a) gets you removed from the list for (b).

98 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 4:54:48pm

re: #96 freetoken

More fear mongering about genetic data:

Editorial: Chief Justices Should Not Allow DNA Collection During an Arrest Booking

What a load of horseshit.

99 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 5:02:04pm

re: #97 kirkspencer

I gave up for a while. I’ll be five years unemployed come July. It’s an odd congruence of factors in my case. The largest is a HUGE glut of people in my professions.

The thing that really annoys me the most about it is that I was offered two jobs within the first six months. The first was for half what I’d been earning and lower than any other employee at the site. So I counteroffered, asking for some additional benefits in lieu of salary. They said goodbye. The second same thing, I said I’d take it, they decided I wasn’t aggressive enough because I didn’t counter-offer.

It is more than a little frustrating when the lesson you learn from (a) gets you removed from the list for (b).

That sucks. Sometimes I wonder if the people making the hiring decisions are qualified for their jobs.

100 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 5:37:55pm

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

That sucks. Sometimes I wonder if the people making the hiring decisions are qualified for their jobs.

I sometimes wonder as well.

As I said there are a lot of factors in play in my situation, things that caught me in the cracks. Looking back some of them are my fault, others wouldn’t have been if it hadn’t been for things that weren’t my fault - I just caught this sequence… The major factors hindering me are:
a) My field has a glut of qualified applicants (librarian)
b) I lack certs and my experience is … atypical for my secondary field (I was the Computer Guy for a four county library. Servers, workstations, and laptops, admin and helpdesk, windows, mac, and linux, wiring, repair, training… Seven years of it, but I didn’t learn some of the buzzwords the interviewers expected. I just did the work.)
c) I’m (relatively) old. It’s obvious from my resume.
d) I keep running into the “you don’t have experience in OUR field” problem.

Sorry. Venting. I’ve started looking again - did so starting about a year ago when the economy allegedly started recovering - and am re-discovering this joy.

101 Chrysicat  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 6:42:02pm

re: #90 Kragar (Antichrist )

Oh, but that wouldn’t fulfill the purpose of every healthy woman being a walking incubator for (the only ones who are worth having, after all!) more boys! They won’t be satisfied until every sexual encounter is a potential conception again!

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if one of ‘em isn’t trying to undo menopause to make that a completely true statement, either…

102 metavirus  Wed, Feb 27, 2013 6:04:30pm

Oops, this Patrick Pexton guy accidentally released the wrong version of the article.

Fixed: Is the Post “Pro-Negro”?

Excerpt:

I get a steady stream of e-mails and phone calls from readers who assert that The Post has a “pro-Negro agenda” and publishes too many “puffy” stories about interracial marriage, and that it even allows too many interracial couples to appear in the Date Lab feature in Sunday’s WP Magazine.

“The white supremacist side gets short shrift,” as one reader recently put it, and The Post “caters slavishly to Martin Luther King Boulevard.”


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