Tea Partying: When Protest Movements Defend the Interests of the Ultra-Rich

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Four years ago, the modern tea party seemed to emerge from nowhere, leaving journalists bewildered and the public with few reference points to understand seemingly spontaneous rallies by middle-class people seeking lower tax rates. A search for the phrase “tea party” in connection with “politics” in major newspapers yielded fewer than 100 mentions in 2008 — and when the words did appear linked together, they suggested studied formality and decorum. The next year, they appeared more than 1,500 times, often connected to “protest demonstration.”

But little was spontaneous about the new party. “Social movements that explicitly defend the interests of the rich and the almost-rich have been a recurring feature of American politics,” Isaac William Martin, a sociologist at the University of California, San Diego, reminds us in his new book, Rich People’s Movements: Grassroots Campaigns to Untax the One Percent. “Such movements shook the American polity before the Obama era, before the Reagan era and before Barry Goldwater ran for president — before, even, the New Deal.”

With meticulous research, Martin shows how the modern tea party grew from decades of efforts by American oligarchs to de-tax themselves. They relied on cranks, rogues and a few scholars to polish the most effective ideological marketing pitches. Their goal was selling the notion that if the rich bear less of the burden of government, all of us will somehow end up better off. These pitches have worked best when some newly proposed government initiative — like President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act — arrives to pose the threat of major policy change. They have depended on diverting attention from obvious questions, such as just how does a smaller tax bill for the Koch brothers benefit us?

Spanning decades, the residue of relationships, movement-building skills and organizations from past enlistments of the affluent many to agitate for the interests of the super-elite few could be seen merely as an example of what Seymour Martin Lipset and Earl Raab called “cultural baggage” in their 1971 book The Politics of Unreason: Right-Wing Extremism in America, 1790-1970. Instead, Martin says, these movements bequeathed to us “not just a suitcase we drag along behind us” but “a toolkit” to remake American public policy. Martin also concurs with historian Richard Hofstadter, who pointed out a half-century ago how many practitioners of his famous theory — the paranoid style in American politics — found their roots in the arrival, in 1913, of the 16th Amendment. That amendment, ratified on the eve of World War I, resolved disputes over the meaning of the phrase “direct taxes shall be apportioned,” and in doing so ushered in the modern income tax.

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1 Acemarilllion  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 9:04:00am
Their goal was selling the notion that if the rich bear less of the burden of government, all of us will somehow end up better off. These pitches have worked best when some newly proposed government initiative — like President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act — arrives to pose the threat of major policy change. They have depended on diverting attention from obvious questions, such as just how does a smaller tax bill for the Koch brothers benefit us?

I think many of these tea-party folks still believe trickle-down economics works.

2 Skip Intro  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 9:19:48am

20+ years of listening to Rush Limbaugh and his clones blather on about how the rich are the most oppressed group in America does have an effect.

3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:08:17pm

I actually was just rereading Adam Smith today and he has a section on this that is just fucking perfect:

When we consider the condition of the great, in those delusive colours in which the imagination is apt to paint it, it seems to be almost the abstract idea of a perfect and happy state. It is the very state which, in all our waking dreams and idle reveries, we had sketched out to ourselves as the final object of all our desires. We feel, therefore, a peculiar sympathy with the satisfaction of those who are in it. We favour all their inclinations, and forward all their wishes. What pity, we think that any thing should spoil and corrupt so agreeable a situation! … Every calamity that befalls them, every injury that is done to them, excites in the breast of the spectator ten times more compassion and resentment than he would have felt, had the same things happen to other men.

From “The Theory of Moral Sentiments”.

I wish more ‘conservatives’ would actually read Smith.

4 blueraven  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:10:50pm

Oh good grief…Cruz is comparing defund Obamacare to

sending man to moon
standing up to Soviet union

“Cant be done” he said about the naysayers for those efforts

Un-fucking-real

The better comparison to those accomplishments would be getting health care reform passed in the first place.

5 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:12:51pm

It’s all about the blame game.

Through the astroturfing efforts, these corporations have been able to convince the lower classes that big government and over regulation are solely to blame for the struggles they face.

6 b.d.  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:13:30pm

re: #4 blueraven
This is Cruz’s all in moment. He will be politically impotent after this failure but I don’t know that the GOP will know what to do with him or figure out a way to make him go away.

7 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:14:15pm

If history has taught us anything, its how rich white Christians have suffered from oppression down thru the years.
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8 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:16:01pm

Ted Cruz - Future governor of Texas?

9 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:17:12pm
10 Carlos Danger  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:17:29pm

I’m pretty sure if you looked hard enough, you could find oligarch supported tax revolts all the way back in the Roman Empire.

11 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:19:10pm

re: #9 Kragar

Today’s GOP: will filibuster to try to prevent people from getting healthcare.

12 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:19:14pm

re: #9 Kragar

Till they get pissed off, till the lights go out
Till my legs give out, won’t shut my mouth.
Till Obama’s out - am I high? Perhaps.
I’ma block this shit till my bone collapse.

13 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:19:32pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Ted Cruz - Future governor President of Texas?

Secesh’ed that for ya.

14 Carlos Danger  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:19:43pm

re: #6 b.d.

This is Cruz’s all in moment. He will be politically impotent after this failure but I don’t know that the GOP will know what to do with him or figure out a way to make him go away.

Remember, this dork was one of Rehnquist’s clerks. Part of the GOP “brain trust”, if you will.

15 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:20:48pm

re: #1 Acemarilllion

I think many of these tea-party folks still believe trickle-down economics works.

They totally believe it as an article of Faith, as given to Ronald Reagan when he accepted the Holy Constitution on Mount Vernon.

16 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:21:58pm

Exactly what Jesus said when he distributed bread & fish to the ungrateful mooching multitudes.

17 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:22:53pm

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

Exactly what Jesus said when he distributed bread & fish to the ungrateful mooching multitudes.

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“Where’s the fuckn’ tartar sauce?”

18 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:23:01pm

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

Bryan talking such trash about the GOP base….

19 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:23:22pm

CONFIRMED. FACT.

20 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:23:50pm

re: #3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I actually was just rereading Adam Smith today and he has a section on this that is just fucking perfect:

From “The Theory of Moral Sentiments”.

I wish more ‘conservatives’ would actually read Smith.

I think alot of conservatives forget that Smith was a radical for his time. A product of the Scottish Enlightenment and wrote Wealth of Nations as a contrast to the mercantilism system that had dominated Europe before he wrote that book. I think Smith would have taken issue with unregulated capitalism and furthermore the attempts to link laissez-faire capitalism with conservative Christianity.

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:23:58pm

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

Part of me wishes he’d lose everything so he could know what it’s like on the bottom rung of the ladder.

22 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:24:11pm

re: #19 Vicious Babushka

This “gunservative” must have missed the healthcare debate three years ago.

23 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:24:41pm

re: #19 Vicious Babushka

Bullllllllllll shit. There’s nowhere near that many immigrants in the country, let alone illegals.

24 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:24:50pm

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

Exactly what Jesus said when he distributed bread & fish to the ungrateful mooching multitudes.

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“I’d give you the fish, but that would be sending you the wrong message, you lazy moochers.”

25 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:25:03pm

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

Jesus would probably give Fischer a swift spiritual kick to the head to alter his spiritual reality (shakubuku).

26 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:25:07pm

re: #19 Vicious Babushka

CONFIRMED. FACT.

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All over the wingnutosphere they are convinced that health insurance premiums are going to skyrocket. I’m looking forward to rubbing their noses in reality.

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:25:21pm

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

Exactly what Jesus said when he distributed bread & fish to the ungrateful mooching multitudes.

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So where’s his outrage at corporate welfare. Oh, that’s right, corporate welfare is totes different from helping poor families because you know the Bible says something about governments coddling the very wealthy at the expense of the rest of us. Mr. Fischer’s entitled to hate welfare all he wants but that he feels the need to do it under Christian pretenses is disgusting.

28 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:25:31pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I think alot of conservatives forget that Smith was a radical for his time. A product of the Scottish Enlightenment and wrote Wealth of Nations as a contrast to the mercantilism system that had dominated Europe before he wrote that book. I think Smith would have taken issue with unregulated capitalism and furthermore the attempts to link laissez-faire capitalism with conservative Christianity.

There were almost no regulatory issues regarding environment in Smith’s day, and on a moral level he was opposed to abuses of workers. He’s basically misunderstood by everyone citing him in defense of laissez faire.

29 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:26:24pm

re: #28 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

There were almost no regulatory issues regarding environment in Smith’s day, and on a moral level he was opposed to abuses of workers. He’s basically misunderstood by everyone citing him in defense of laissez faire.

Exactly, isn’t lasissez-faire more less an interpretation of his contemporary, David Ricardo or am I thinking of someone else?

30 erik_t  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:27:25pm

re: #26 aagcobb

All over the wingnutosphere they are convinced that health insurance premiums are going to skyrocket. I’m looking forward to rubbing their noses in reality.

But their friend [mumblemumble] totes definitely had her premiums go up eleventy percent and that’s data!

31 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:28:50pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Exactly, isn’t lasissez-faire more less an interpretation of his contemporary, David Ricardo or am I thinking of someone else?

I’m not familiar with that name, but you’re exatcly right that Smith wasn’t saying “We should be laissez faire capitalist instead of socialist”, he was saying “We should be laissez faire instead of mercantilist”— the ‘laissez faire’ Smith is advocating is between nations and about not having ‘guilds’ inside the nation that restrict trade there.

Smith would not be against government regulating a company so that it couldn’t poison its workers, but he would be against the NFL and MLB’s monopolistic practices.

32 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:29:10pm

re: #26 aagcobb

All over the wingnutosphere they are convinced that health insurance premiums are going to skyrocket. I’m looking forward to rubbing their noses in reality.

Any increase will be taken as proof that Obamacare caused the increase, even though prices were increasing annually for decades on end with Obamacare not even part of the discussion. Prices go up for lots of reasons, but Obamacare also provides a mechanism to reduce the cost to taxpayers who make up to 400% of the poverty level - capping their out-of-pocket costs to 12% of their income.

Also watch for the apples to oranges confusion - comparing a gold plan to a bare bones plan operative before the exchanges begin accepting patients will be a go-to tactic. You’ve got to see through that nonsense - where the new exchange plans offer far more comprehensive care, preventative care, and no longer have lifetime caps versus the basic plans offered in some states that provide for catastrophic care and little else.

33 jaunte  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:29:14pm
34 Carlos Danger  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:29:34pm

TPM keeps putting up pictures of Cruz that make him look like a cast extra on Plan 9 From Outer Space.

35 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:30:30pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Part of me wishes he’d lose everything so he could know what it’s like on the bottom rung of the ladder.

A quick look seems to indicate that Fischer got through college (Stanford) and theology school and has essentially been a pastor and/or commentator the entire time since then. Did a stint as a park commissioner in Boise - but I think that was centered around defending a 10 Commandments memorial there.

So it appears he’s been living off parents and/or church flocks and contributions his entire life. Whether or not one wants to hold this as pretty much living off “welfare” the whole time is personal opinion regarding the value of supporting spiritual leaders and advisers.

I guess someone can ask him how ungrateful he feels towards the parishioners who supported him for 25 years.

36 jaunte  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:31:14pm

Outsider Senator Ted Cruz To “Make DC Listen”

37 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:33:35pm

re: #1 Acemarilllion

I think many of these tea-party folks still believe trickle-down economics works.

I suspect they just have a fetish. They like being pissed on.

38 darthstar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:35:05pm

I’ve seen the Koch brothers’ ads on TV at least a half dozen times since Wednesday - always as a “reminder” in the news about the awful, awful ads…which, apparently, were internet-only until the networks got hold of them. Funny how that happens.

39 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:35:49pm

re: #3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I actually was just rereading Adam Smith today and he has a section on this that is just fucking perfect:

From “The Theory of Moral Sentiments”.

I wish more ‘conservatives’ would actually read Smith.

My favorite from that book?

He is not a wise and good man who does not at all times prefer the public interest to his own.

Most of these morons don’t even believe in the public, never mind the public interest.

40 Carlos Danger  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:36:19pm

IN MY DAY PREMIUMS WERE SO LOW AND BY GAWD WHEN MEN WERE MEN

41 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:37:34pm

re: #9 Kragar

Cruz: I Will Speak ‘Until I Am No Longer Able To Stand’

Don’t give me an invitation like that, Sen. Cruz.

42 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:37:43pm

re: #40 Carlos Danger

IN MY DAY PREMIUMS WERE SO LOW AND BY GAWD WHEN MEN WERE MEN

Back in my day, you could pay for a doctor’s visit with a chicken!!

43 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:38:20pm

re: #36 jaunte

Outsider Senator Ted Cruz To “Make DC Listen”

Its fun watching Republicans fighting each other like cats and dogs over Obamacare. The Democrats should just sit back and enjoy the show. Don’t help Boehner pass a CR when it comes back from the Senate; make the Republicans eat each other, then either drink the poison and pass the CR or shut the government down.

44 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:39:10pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

Back in my day, you could pay for a doctor’s visit with a chicken!!

I’m not ready to give up that system!

45 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:39:47pm

re: #35 Feline Fearless Leader

Make no mistake, the only type of welfare Fischer is against comes from the government. Church and corporate handouts? Bring ‘em on!

46 jaunte  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:39:54pm


Filibustette.

47 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:40:02pm

re: #3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I actually was just rereading Adam Smith today and he has a section on this that is just fucking perfect:

From “The Theory of Moral Sentiments”.

I wish more ‘conservatives’ would actually read Smith.

“Markets are there to serve the people, people are not there to serve the markets”

That is totally lost to those who see the Free Market as some sort of abstract ideal to which they are prepared to sacrifice the helpless.

48 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:40:08pm


What an asshat. And when this fails, some in the GOP will see him as a hero, even though he’s fighting against a program that would expand access to health insurance to 30 million Americans.

Heck, some GOPers are complaining that 100,000s of Americans aren’t getting health insurance because of Obamacare, except that would be because the GOP fought Obamacare every step of the way and limited how many people would get coverage - just as they’re fighting the implementation and hoping that they have inflicted enough chaos and uncertainty in the process to make Obamacare stumble as it heads into the signing up period.

49 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:40:58pm

re: #46 jaunte

Where’s Harry Reid with a steel chair when you need him?

50 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:41:00pm

re: #40 Carlos Danger

IN MY DAY PREMIUMS WERE SO LOW AND BY GAWD WHEN MEN WERE MEN

YEW JUST BRAWT A CHICKUN TO THE DAWKTUR AND HE’D FIX Y’ALL UP GOOD

51 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:41:08pm

re: #46 jaunte

Cruz held the floor for slightly less than an hour, tags out to Mike Lee.
— Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) September 24, 2013

Pussy. Wendy Davis DOES have bigger ballz than the canadian communist.

52 jaunte  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:41:43pm

re: #51 Dr. Matt

His legs gave out after just an hour.

53 b.d.  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:41:55pm

Has Cruz already passed out? I’m seeing Lee yammer on.

54 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:42:05pm

re: #51 Dr. Matt

He’s NOT Canadian. He might have been born there but he doesn’t represent us in any way, shape or form.

55 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:42:17pm

re: #43 aagcobb

Its fun watching Republicans fighting each other like cats and dogs over Obamacare. The Democrats should just sit back and enjoy the show. Don’t help Boehner pass a CR when it comes back from the Senate; make the Republicans eat each other, then either drink the poison and pass the CR or shut the government down.

You can be sure that Pelosi and the Dem House caucus are already planning for when this gets back to the House. Boehner’s not gonna get the GOP votes to pass the amended bill, not by half. So either he’s gonna have to break the “Hastert Rule” and cut a deal with House Dems to get it passed or he’s going to be on the hook for the shutdown.

56 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:42:40pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s NOT Canadian. He might have been born there but he doesn’t represent us in any way, shape or form.

We are just trying to deny any responsibility for his idiocy and you are useful scapegoats…

57 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:43:03pm

If Cruz’s head held any more hot air he would float away to Somalia.

58 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:43:23pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s NOT Canadian. He might have been born there but he doesn’t represent us in any way, shape or form.

No excuses! We demand an immediate apology for Ted Cruz…and Celine Dion…and Justin Bieber!!!

///

59 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:43:41pm

re: #51 Dr. Matt

Pussy. Wendy Davis DOES have bigger ballz than the canadian communist.

Wendy Davis could filibuster for as long as Ted Cruz, backward and in high heels.

60 darthstar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:43:47pm
61 jaunte  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:43:55pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s a pretty good (oblivious, privileged) representative of west Houston.

62 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:44:10pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s NOT Canadian. He might have been born there but he doesn’t represent us in any way, shape or form.

There has been some question about the completeness of the paperwork, eh?

63 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:44:26pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

You can be sure that Pelosi and the Dem House caucus are already planning for when this gets back to the House. Boehner’s not gonna get the GOP votes to pass the amended bill, not by half. So either he’s gonna have to break the “Hastert Rule” and cut a deal with House Dems to get it passed or he’s going to be on the hook for the shutdown.

Pelosi should demand restoration of sequester cuts for democratic votes. She’ll have Boehner over a barrel.

64 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:44:44pm

HURR HURR, EBIL LIBRULZ IS READING SCRIPTURE!!! ONLY TEH PASTORZ SHUD BE ALOUD TO DO TAHT!!!11!!

65 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:45:22pm
66 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:45:32pm

re: #63 aagcobb

Pelosi should demand restoration of sequester cuts for democratic votes. She’ll have Boehner over a barrel.

Hell, that would be a hilarious twist to this all, wouldn’t it? Boehner pleading with his own party to vote for the damned bill, else he’ll have to agree to ending the sequester just to get Dems to pass it.

67 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:46:13pm
68 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:46:19pm

re: #9 Kragar

Cruz: I Will Speak ‘Until I Am No Longer Able To Stand’

If he bails before 13 hours, I will laugh my ass off.

69 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:46:33pm

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR, EBIL LIBRULZ IS READING SCRIPTURE!!! ONLY TEH PASTORZ SHUD BE ALOUD TO DO TAHT!!!11!!

Liberals twist Scripture because for them government is God:

Uh, no, Rev—I believe in government.

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:46:51pm

re: #67 bratwurst

Cute. But as a Senator he’s already been promised better.

71 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:47:04pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

Hell, that would be a hilarious twist to this all, wouldn’t it? Boehner pleading with his own party to vote for the damned bill, else he’ll have to agree to ending the sequester just to get Dems to pass it.

Ahahahahahahaha!!!

Watch the Teahadis go all ‘splodey head over that one.

MOAR TEARZ!!!

72 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:47:07pm

re: #68 Lidane

If he bails before 13 hours, I will laugh my ass off.

He already bailed, Lee’s up there now.

Not that it really matters, as under Senate rules governing the Continuing Resolution, this isn’t even legally a filibuster. It’s just Cruz and Lee throwing a very loud tantrum.

73 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:47:16pm
“I rise today in opposition to Obamacare,” Cruz said after being recognized on the Senate floor. He declared he would speak “until I am no longer able to stand.”

At which point he will bend at the knees and pray to mammon.

74 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:47:19pm

LOLWUT—they don’t habla el espanol in Canada.

75 b.d.  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:47:42pm

$5 that Lee will screw up Cruz’s filibuster

76 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:47:54pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

Hell, that would be a hilarious twist to this all, wouldn’t it? Boehner pleading with his own party to vote for the damned bill, else he’ll have to agree to ending the sequester just to get Dems to pass it.

That is what should happen anyway, because restoring the cuts would give a bit of stimulus to the economy and put some people who need jobs back to work. Plus if we have to have a showdown on Obamacare, better to do it now with a government shutdown than play chicken with the debt limit again.

77 Carlos Danger  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:48:28pm

re: #48 lawhawk

Armstrong’s Law?

To the moon, alice!

78 jaunte  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:48:43pm
79 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:48:51pm

So, what, how long are they supposed to be filiblustering ?

80 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:49:25pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

He already bailed, Lee’s up there now.

Seriously? What a fucking wimp. Wendy Davis and her shoes are LOL-ing.

Not that it really matters, as under Senate rules governing the Continuing Resolution, this isn’t even legally a filibuster. It’s just Cruz and Lee throwing a very loud tantrum.

True. And it’s not like the GOP Senate leadership are going to go along with Cruz anyway. They’re hanging him out to dry and laughing at him.

81 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:49:34pm


Obamacare actually helps increase mobility because it makes insurance available to those who don’t have jobs or have jobs that aren’t providing insurance benefits. If anything, it enhances mobility to where the jobs are.

It also increases the chances that someone will change jobs to further their careers because they wont be tied to a job because they have insurance.

82 Gus  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:49:49pm
83 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:49:58pm

re: #77 Carlos Danger

Armstrong’s Law?

To the moon, alice!

I think Cruz is trying to apply Brannigan’s Law.
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84 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:50:15pm

re: #80 Lidane

Seriously? What a fucking wimp. Wendy Davis and her shoes are LOL-ing.

True. And it’s not like the GOP Senate leadership are going to go along with Cruz anyway. They’re hanging him out to dry and laughing at him.

Mitch said he didn’t think you can defund Obamacare by filibustering the bill that defunds Obamacare.

85 Gus  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:50:46pm
86 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:50:46pm

re: #81 lawhawk

Not to mention budding entrepreneurs who have been shackled to jobs for health care.

87 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:51:00pm

re: #79 Amory Blaine

So, what, how long are they supposed to be filiblustering ?

Honestly, I think Reid’s just letting Cruz and Lee make very public asses of themselves. With McConnell signaling that he will not support a filibuster or support Ted’s craziness about demanding a 60-vote threshold on any amendments, the odds are good that Reid has the votes for cloture.

88 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:51:10pm
89 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:51:23pm

re: #84 aagcobb

Mitch said he didn’t think you can defund Obamacare by filibustering the bill that defunds Obamacare.

Is it Kabuki now, or does that require an appearance by Gohmert as well?
O_o

90 darthstar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:51:58pm

I wrote this up earlier today…it was supposed to be a joke.

91 brennant  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:52:54pm

re: #88 Dr. Matt

I lold. A booger just flew out my nose simultaneously.

Thankfully I work from home.

92 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:53:08pm

re: #68 Lidane

If he bails before 13 hours, I will laugh my ass off.

12 hours short

93 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:53:23pm

Basically what we’re witnessing is Ted Cruz’s swan song. After this, the odds he’ll ever be taken seriously again in political circles outside Texas are pretty slim. When push comes to shove, he just does not have the backing to do more than whine very loudly about how he’s not getting his way.

94 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:53:34pm
95 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:53:37pm
96 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:53:56pm


re: #90 darthstar

Thank you. I gotta go. Bye! /Wever

97 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:54:02pm
98 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:54:03pm

re: #88 Dr. Matt

Filibating?

99 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:54:25pm

re: #92 Kragar

12 hours short

Guess it really does take a woman to do a man’s job.

Cruz is an embarrassment.

100 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:54:25pm

Filibreak.

101 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:54:31pm

re: #98 Amory Blaine

Filibating?

Ballbustering?

102 darthstar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:55:43pm
103 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:55:57pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

Basically what we’re witnessing is Ted Cruz’s swan song. After this, the odds he’ll ever be taken seriously again in political circles outside Texas are pretty slim. When push comes to shove, he just does not have the backing to do more than whine very loudly about how he’s not getting his way.

The way of Teahadists is so foreign to me, I would not be surprised if he gains stature with them.

104 b.d.  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:56:03pm

Cruz is back in action filiblustering.

105 Carlos Danger  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:56:12pm

Filibusted.

106 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:56:41pm

Filipuns

107 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:56:55pm

Happy Fall weather, lizards!

108 blueraven  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:57:09pm

fapbuster

109 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:57:09pm

re: #104 b.d.

Cruz is back in action filiblustering.

If he’d been forced to use the Texas filibsuter rules, this shit would be over now. WTF.

110 jaunte  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:57:22pm

re: #106 Arrrr, matey!

Jabberwacky.

111 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:57:43pm

Give Back? Yes, It’s Time For The 99% To Give Back To The 1%

It’s time to gore another collectivist sacred cow. This time it’s the popular idea that the successful are obliged to “give back to the community.” That oft-heard claim assumes that the wealth of high-earners is taken away from “the community.” And beneath that lies the perverted Marxist notion that wealth is accumulated by “exploiting” people, not by creating value-as if Henry Ford was not necessary for Fords to roll off the (non-existent) assembly lines and Steve Jobs was not necessary for iPhones and iPads to spring into existence.

All you greedy poor people need to give up your ill gotten gains!!!

112 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:57:44pm

re: #110 jaunte

Jabberwacky.

Wabberjack.

113 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:57:57pm

re: #107 prairiefire

Happy Fall weather, lizards!

Took the family to the Ohio Renaissance Festival on Sunday. The weather was perfect, and there were lots of wenches showing off bountiful cleavage.

114 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:58:03pm

Oh, this just pisses me off.

115 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:58:20pm
116 Gus  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:59:30pm
117 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:59:40pm

re: #63 aagcobb

Pelosi should demand restoration of sequester cuts for democratic votes. She’ll have Boehner over a barrel.

this video has been declared NSFW

118 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:59:40pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Give Back? Yes, It’s Time For The 99% To Give Back To The 1%

All you greedy poor people need to give up your ill gotten gains!!!

Give us the 12th cookie, or else we will go pout in our Canyon of Solitude!
/

119 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:59:44pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Give Back? Yes, It’s Time For The 99% To Give Back To The 1%

All you greedy poor people need to give up your ill gotten gains!!!

When I saw this, I thought it had to be a parody. But Ayn Rand worshippers really believe this shit.

120 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 12:59:52pm

re: #109 Lidane

If he’d been forced to use the Texas filibsuter rules, this shit would be over now. WTF.

It’s in Harry’s best interests to just let these clowns go on. The future of this bill as concerns the Senate is not really in doubt, so allowing them to make asses of themselves before the American people just helps the argument that the GOP really has nothing argument against the ACA that doesn’t come back to “Obama’s bad!”

121 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:00:18pm

re: #100 Arrrr, matey!

Filibreak.

Thank the Unions!!

122 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:00:33pm
123 Gus  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:00:52pm

Fillthebasket

124 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:01:54pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Wait, wait…so you DON’T want us to apologize for Nickelback?

125 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:02:37pm

as if Henry Ford was not necessary for Fords to roll off the (non-existent) assembly lines and Steve Jobs was not necessary for iPhones and iPads to spring into existence

as if henry ford could build all his cars all by himself and as if steve jobs was actually an engineer who could design and build the things he was talking about

126 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:03:14pm

Irony of all this is that this would be the perfect time to stand up and articulate a real GOP alternative to the ACA. They claim all the time that they have ideas, well now would be the time to put them out there. Present to the American people how you expect to give the millions that have no affordable access to health care the means of obtaining it with “free market solutions.”

But of course that would only work if the GOP had any alternatives.

127 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:03:37pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, wait…so you DON’T want us to apologize for Nickelback?

*shifty look* Oh right, them too.

//

128 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:03:48pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, wait…so you DON’T want us to apologize for Nickelback?

We’re granting some leeway for the fact you supplied Molson’s, Mario Lemieux, and fostered SCTV for a few years.

129 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:05:01pm

re: #120 Targetpractice

It’s in Harry’s best interests to just let these clowns go on. The future of this bill as concerns the Senate is not really in doubt, so allowing them to make asses of themselves before the American people just helps the argument that the GOP really has nothing argument against the ACA that doesn’t come back to “Obama’s bad!”

Personally I think all filibusters should force you talk your ass off. This nonsense where you can vote to filibuster needs to die.

130 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:06:41pm

Cruz will actually gain some stature over this temper tantrum from the Teahadis/Freepers.

OT, but at long last!! The eastern Czech Republic has a Starbucks Coffee! They reopened the local shopping center here after a year-long renovation effort which saw it partially closed.

Yea! I can finally go have a Starbucks!

131 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:07:27pm

re: #129 Lidane

Personally I think all filibusters should force you talk your ass off. This nonsense where you can vote to filibuster needs to die.

It kills me when I hear the Democrats don’t want to give it up because they know that someday the GOP will control the Senate again. So? Is that what you went to Washington for, to make sure nothing ever gets passed?

132 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:09:23pm

re: #125 dog philosopher

as if Henry Ford was not necessary for Fords to roll off the (non-existent) assembly lines and Steve Jobs was not necessary for iPhones and iPads to spring into existence

as if henry ford could build all his cars all by himself and as if steve jobs was actually an engineer who could design and build the things he was talking about

When people talk about how great Henry Ford was, they forget to mention that the first company that he created failed, the second ended up becoming Cadillac, and the third nearly collapsed due to poor sales and inability to pay the Dodge brothers for parts he’s contracted them to supply.

Of course, that all ignores that Ford didn’t create the automobile or the assembly line, he was just the guy who figured out you could marry the two, building an inexpensive car on an assembly line, and churn them out so quickly that volume drove down costs. Then atop that, he did something no other automaker did and which still to this day light’s peoples heads afire when a company does it: He paid his workers enough that they could afford the very cars they built, not only providing a ready market for his products, but also driving down turnover costs.

133 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:09:25pm

re: #33 jaunte

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I sure hope he doesn’t resort to twerking…

134 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:10:13pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

Cruz will actually gain some stature over this temper tantrum from the Teahadis/Freepers.

OT, but at long last!! The eastern Czech Republic has a Starbucks Coffee! They reopened the local shopping center here after a year-long renovation effort which saw it partially closed.

Yea! I can finally go have a Starbucks!

I would’ve thought that only Amazonian villages barred from contact with outsiders lacked a Starbucks by now./

135 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:10:46pm
136 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:11:29pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

Cruz will actually gain some stature over this temper tantrum from the Teahadis/Freepers.

OT, but at long last!! The eastern Czech Republic has a Starbucks Coffee! They reopened the local shopping center here after a year-long renovation effort which saw it partially closed.

Yea! I can finally go have a Starbucks!

Don’t forget to take your gun in with you and insult other customers!
////

137 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:11:36pm

re: #135 Vicious Babushka

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Teaching her to pull up by those bootstraps!

138 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:11:47pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

Cruz will actually gain some stature over this temper tantrum from the Teahadis/Freepers.

OT, but at long last!! The eastern Czech Republic has a Starbucks Coffee! They reopened the local shopping center here after a year-long renovation effort which saw it partially closed.

Yea! I can finally go have a Starbucks!

Gawd, you’re such a typical libtard! //

139 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:11:53pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

Cruz will actually gain some stature over this temper tantrum from the Teahadis/Freepers.

Case in point: (Freeper link)

He is doing what I elected him to do. If the media and the GOP-E don’t like it, they can pound sand.
—-

WOW! Just Wow!
Telling it like it is. Calling out both parties!
—-

Senator Cruz ripping them a new one. He is the real deal. Says they better listen to the people and what the people want rather then spending 6 weeks talking about taking peoples guns…just wow!!! Addressing madame president who is pelosi I assume
—-

Cruz puts the wood to the GOPe!

Calls them out for voting on Cloture. Kills ‘em.
—-

Go Ted! He is shining the light on them!
—-

Thanks for this link. Ted is a true leader.
We are witnessing the start of Ted’s 2016 campaign.

Ted stands on the side of Liberty. He will flush out all the evil statists in both parties.

I loathe RINOs more than I do the RATS. If the evil GOPe were honest, they would switch to the party of their true beliefs — the RAT party.

That includes Rove, the vile POS that is as destructive as anyone on the left.
—-

Cruz exposing all the RINOs who want to come home and say they voted against ObamaCare while the vote for cloture and allow Democrats to pass the bill with simple majority.

And that’s just from the first page of over 300 comments and counting.

They love him. It’s both hilarious and terrifying.

140 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:14:31pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

Gawd, you’re such a typical libtard! //

LOL.

I haven’t had a Starbucks in quite a looooong time, so I’m looking forward to it.

141 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:15:07pm

re: #139 Lidane

Case in point: (Freeper link)

And that’s just from the first page of over 300 comments and counting.

They love him. It’s both hilarious and terrifying.

Ted’s doing something I think we’ve all seen an insufferable asshole do at least once in our lives: He’s telling people what he really thinks of them because he knows he’s fucked. The man’s a putrid little shitstain and he’s making it clear to everybody in the room.

142 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:15:14pm

re: #139 Lidane

I’m not surprised in the slightest. If he ran for President, he’d get a very high percentage of the Freeper vote.

143 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:16:41pm

re: #136 Feline Fearless Leader

Don’t forget to take your gun in with you and insult other customers!
////

Heh.

I’ve never seen anyone open-carry a firearm here, aside from the cops of course. Concealed carry is legal in the Czech Republic, though.

144 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:17:24pm

These Teabaggers are so fucking stupid it boggles the mind.

Grothman to Mellen Residents: “Trust the Company”

The O’Dovero-Flesia farm sits at the base of the hills, within a mile of the first planned phase of the mine. The plan calls for 5.5 million tons of explosives to be dropped on the hills every nine days until the pit measures 4.5 miles long. The family has been farming this 1,000 acre farm for five generations. They raise dairy and beef cows, and operate a meat processing facility. They are deeply concerned about the quality of the air and water should this mine come into operation.

On a visit to their farm last weekend, Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend) tried to convince them to support the bill and trust Gogebic Taconite. To address their concerns about the 1,000 foot deep open pit draining their 150 foot deep source of water, Grothman told them that the company could caulk the cracks in the bedrock where water was leaking out.(emph. mine)

Here is supreme asshole Grothman in his own words.

Grothman: Mining Company will Caulk the Cracks

Youtube Video

145 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:19:31pm

re: #139 Lidane

Oh, so I see the Freepers have moved on from their Miss America contest disappointment.

146 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:19:46pm
147 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:20:47pm

re: #134 aagcobb

I would’ve thought that only Amazonian villages barred from contact with outsiders lacked a Starbucks by now./

i haven’t been to france recently, but i was in italy a few years ago and it seemed that they already had a few places serving cappuccino there already & so they didn’t seem to require any starbucks

also for some reason no domino’s pizza - ???

148 AlexRogan  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:20:47pm

re: #128 Feline Fearless Leader

We’re granting some leeway for the fact you supplied Molson’s, Mario Lemieux, and fostered SCTV for a few years.

As well as Dan Aykroyd, Alanis Morrisette, Kim Cattrall, James Doohan, Matt Frewer, Michael J. Fox, Eugene Levy, John Candy, and a (partial) list of others too numerous to list.

Canada: where America gets its movie, TV, and music stars (and I don’t mind, most of them anyway)

149 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:20:52pm

re: #144 Amory Blaine

These Teabaggers are so fucking stupid it boggles the mind.

Grothman to Mellen Residents: “Trust the Company”

Here is supreme asshole Grothman in his own words.

Grothman: Mining Company will Caulk the Cracks

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JRRB CREEYATERS!!!1!!!!!!

150 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:21:04pm

re: #139 Lidane

The GOPe…?

151 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:21:57pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Actually they could submit their healthcare ideas during the normal legislative process.

152 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:22:50pm

re: #151 Bulworth

Actually they could submit their healthcare ideas during the normal legislative process.

First, they would need to have at least one.

153 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:22:58pm

re: #150 Bulworth

The GOPe…?

I was wondering the same thing. GOP-elites? THey are so precious with all their little names….

154 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:22:58pm

re: #147 dog philosopher

i haven’t been to france recently, but i was in italy a few years ago and it seemed that they already had a few places serving cappuccino there already & so they didn’t seem to require any starbucks

also for some reason no domino’s pizza - ???

Not even for the tourists?/

155 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:23:12pm

re: #145 Bulworth

Oh, so I see the Freepers have moved on from their Miss America contest disappointment.

Heh.

In Ostrava news, aside from a new Starbucks Coffee, one of the big local coal mines here is very likely going to shut down by the end of the year, taking about 3,000+ jobs with it - good paying jobs, relative to the Czech Republic; family wage jobs.

Ouch.

156 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:23:32pm

re: #150 Bulworth

The GOPe…?

GOP Establishment. It’s a Freeper thing.

157 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:23:41pm

re: #150 Bulworth

The GOPe…?

GOP elite.

158 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:24:53pm
Grothman told them that the company could caulk the cracks in the bedrock where water was leaking out.

Caulking the earth is just like caulking your bathtub.

159 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:25:09pm

re: #157 Dr Lizardo

GOP elite.

Is it elite? I thought it was establishment.

Oh well. Either way it’s what the Freepers call the “mainstream” GOP that they consider RINOs and liberals.

160 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:25:15pm

re: #154 aagcobb

Not even for the tourists?/

i did manage to screw up once by ordering a ‘latte’ and expecting a cup of light coffee

161 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:25:52pm

re: #148 AlexRogan

As well as Dan Aykroyd, Alanis Morrisette, Kim Cattrall, James Doohan, Matt Frewer, Michael J. Fox, Eugene Levy, John Candy, and a (partial) list of others too numerous to list.

does canukistan have its own equivalent of teabaggers?

162 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:25:58pm

re: #158 Internet Tough Guy

confirmed. tru. fact. /

163 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:26:20pm

Hmm, supposedly the Army is considering new uniform regs regarding tattoos.

usnews.nbcnews.com

164 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:26:35pm

Hahahahahaha, this is awesome:

165 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:27:22pm
166 Interesting Times  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:29:42pm

re: #161 dog philosopher

does canukistan have its own equivalent of teabaggers?

Alberta

167 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:30:01pm
168 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:30:05pm
169 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:31:14pm

Chuck Todd approves this message:

170 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:33:57pm

re: #161 dog philosopher

does canukistan have its own equivalent of teabaggers?

Yup.

The Wild Rose party.

It’s only in the west though.

171 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:34:32pm

re: #166 Interesting Times

Alberta

Some Sask.

172 darthstar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:35:10pm

New island!

173 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:35:13pm

The petition is over 100,000 now! Spread it around if you can.

Petition to NBC re: Chuck Todd

174 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:35:24pm

When all the Republicans have to offer is more pissing on us and calling it “trickle down” by any other name, then I’m all for cutting them off at the knees.

You hear me, Cruz? All that elitism you showed in law school is getting you absolutely nowhere with real people. I hear the oil sands companies are hiring in Canada, though.

175 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:36:11pm

re: #158 Internet Tough Guy

Caulking the earth is just like caulking your bathtub.

And a nice double-barreled environmental risk:
en.wikipedia.org

Taconite mine tailing believed to be a threat due to asbestos-like particles. Also there is iron sulfide in the overburden over the taconite itself, which raises the possibility of acid run-off.

Not to mention that caulking and then more blasting is just obviously going to work *so* well. (spit)

176 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:36:36pm

re: #166 Interesting Times

Alberta

The Edmonton side, the Calgary side, or both?

177 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:36:59pm
178 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:37:20pm
179 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:37:40pm

re: #176 Feline Fearless Leader

The Edmonton side, the Calgary side, or both?

Edmonton is an island of progressives in a sea of derp.

Calgary is just starting to float.

180 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:37:47pm
181 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:39:27pm

Gaffney’s flapping his pie hole again:

182 brennant  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:43:29pm

Cruz is talking about pancakes. Pancakes.

183 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:44:44pm

re: #181 Lidane

Gaffney’s flapping his pie hole again:

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Remind me again why anyone listens to him.

Oh, yeah! I remember - he says the crazy shit they would otherwise be ashamed to think, and makes it okay to think and talk that way.

184 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:44:58pm

re: #182 brennant

Cruz is talking about pancakes. Pancakes.

Splendid. This is quite the improvement over the usual GOP talking points, which are full of toxic lies.

185 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:45:24pm

re: #182 brennant

Cruz is talking about pancakes. Pancakes.

Potato pancakes or potatoe pancakes?

186 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:46:12pm

This is…special.
Pancakes.

187 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:46:15pm

re: #184 EPR-radar

Splendid. This is quite the improvement over the usual GOP talking points, which are full of toxic lies.

He’ll probably get this wrong, too. Anyone knows the best pancakes in the world are my Dad’s thin, light ones with cornmeal, not those big, bland, pillowy things.

188 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:46:52pm

Ted Cruz: Proving what an enormous waste of time listening to the GOP really is.

189 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:47:34pm

re: #188 Kragar

Ted Cruz: Proving what an enormous waste of time listening to the GOP really is.

I would argue he’s proving that the GOP is intellectually bankrupt.

190 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:47:35pm
Pancakes.

Cruz is actually performing a parody of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington in the hope of scoring a job at The Onion.

191 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:48:14pm

I fucking love pancakes!!!!!

192 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:48:42pm

re: #191 Amory Blaine

I fucking love pancakes!!!!!

As any sentient being does.

193 brennant  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:48:58pm

re: #185 b_sharp

Potato pancakes or potatoe pancakes?

If you don’t add the E, you are accused of being a pinko liberal… or something.

194 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:49:15pm

re: #182 brennant

Cruz is talking about pancakes. Pancakes.

Chicken & waffles or GTFO.

Alternatively, Nutella stuffed crepes topped with strawberries and bananas are good too.

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:49:58pm

re: #187 GeneJockey

He’ll probably get this wrong, too. Anyone knows the best pancakes in the world are my Dad’s thin, light ones with cornmeal, not those big, bland, pillowy things.

Aren’t crepes some sort of light, French, pansy version of the true American pancake?
;)

196 brennant  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:50:24pm

re: #194 Lidane

Chicken & waffles or GTFO.

Alternatively, Nutella stuffed crepes topped with strawberries and bananas are good too.

Did you know Cruz’s dad invented Nutella? He totally did. Don’t try and fact check it! Yellow journalism!/

197 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:50:34pm

Is the speech going on live right now?

198 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:50:39pm

This just happened to me…
Youtube Video

199 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:50:41pm

re: #192 GeneJockey

As any sentient being does.

Mais non! Truly sentient beings love crepes.

200 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:53:48pm

Why Ted Cruz’s Anti-Obamacare Grandstanding Doesn’t Matter At All

Cruz’s dramatic anti-Obamacare crusade has captured media attention for weeks. But when it comes to the realities of health reform, it couldn’t matter less.

First of all, it’s not a real filibuster. Whether or not Cruz keeps speaking, and regardless of how long he ends up going on, the Senate will still vote on the continuing resolution tomorrow. This weekend, even Fox News was confused about why Cruz thought this political ploy could work.

And even if the provision in question that seeks to “defund Obamacare” somehow managed to pass the Democratic-controlled Senate, it wouldn’t actually do anything to bring the health reform law to a grinding halt. The main avenues of reform that will extend health coverage to additional Americans — the Medicaid expansion and the subsidies available to help people buy plans on the state-level marketplaces — aren’t affected by the fight over annual appropriations.

If Cruz and his fellow Tea Party Republicans successfully derail the budget negotiations altogether and force the government to shut down, that won’t stop Obamacare implementation from marching forward, either. Much of the money that finances health reform has already been appropriated, and can only be removed if the law is repealed altogether. In an opinion piece published last week, E.J. Dionne suggested that a government shutdown could actually ironically help the law’s popularity. That’s because, if the health law’s enrollment period experiences a few hiccups along the way (as any new government program undoubtedly will), this political battle may convince Americans that Republicans are actually to blame for that.

201 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:53:59pm

Now trending on Twitter: Ted Cruz Demands

twitter.com

202 Lidane  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:54:08pm
203 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:54:26pm

A fart in a whirlwind is more likely to affect the ACA than Ted Cruz.

204 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:54:54pm

re: #144 Amory Blaine

You totally need to page that so I can spread it around.

205 darthstar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:55:10pm
206 Gus  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:55:51pm
207 darthstar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:56:41pm

re: #191 Amory Blaine

I fucking love pancakes!!!!!

Who doesn’t love fucking pancakes? Wait…that didn’t come out right.

208 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:56:49pm

re: #206 Gus

Lol.

209 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:58:22pm

re: #158 Internet Tough Guy

Caulking the earth is just like caulking your bathtub.

It’s SCIENCE!!11!!

210 darthstar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 1:59:24pm
211 b.d.  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:00:14pm

re: #206 Gus
CSPAN DOESN”T KNOW WHAT FILIBUSTER IS! THIS IS HISTORIC!!

212 Gus  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:01:46pm
213 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:02:30pm
214 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:02:50pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Mais non! Truly sentient beings love crepes.

Crepes are all well and good, but they ain’t real pancakes, IHOP notwithstanding.

215 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:03:43pm

Waffles are superior to cakes of the pan in every way.

216 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:03:51pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

Alright!! I’ll tone down the potty mouth for the page.

217 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:04:40pm

re: #206 Gus

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So basically we’re paying to keep the lights on and the mic going in the Senate just to watch Ted’s amateur hour comedy act.

Oh well, better use for tax dollars than tax cuts.

218 Gus  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:04:55pm
219 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:05:05pm

re: #212 Gus

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Faux-libuster?

220 dog philosopher  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:05:43pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

When people talk about how great Henry Ford was, they forget to mention that the first company that he created failed, the second ended up becoming Cadillac, and the third nearly collapsed due to poor sales and inability to pay the Dodge brothers for parts he’s contracted them to supply.

Of course, that all ignores that Ford didn’t create the automobile or the assembly line, he was just the guy who figured out you could marry the two, building an inexpensive car on an assembly line, and churn them out so quickly that volume drove down costs. Then atop that, he did something no other automaker did and which still to this day light’s peoples heads afire when a company does it: He paid his workers enough that they could afford the very cars they built, not only providing a ready market for his products, but also driving down turnover costs.

actually, official ford history records the name of the ford engineer who originally thought of marrying the assembly line to car production and suggested it to ford

but both ford and jobs had a vision of bringing an expensive, elite product to the masses, and the relentless drive and financial savvy to carry out the task

221 b.d.  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:06:15pm

re: #212 Gus

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faux filibuster

Preach it!

222 blueraven  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:07:02pm

re: #206 Gus

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True, but his dumbass TP followers probably think it is a filibuster and that it will have an effect.

223 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:07:06pm

re: #215 Kragar

Waffles are superior to cakes of the pan in every way.

Pish and tosh. Sometimes, a man wants waffles. Sometimes a man wants pancakes. Sometimes, a man wants French Freedom Toast.

A pancake is almost invariably a much better pancake than a waffle would be.

224 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:07:10pm
225 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:07:11pm

This is fucking hilarious.

226 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:07:52pm

Ted Cruz: Comedian for a day.

227 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:08:41pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

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Red Eft! We have them here in the backwoods!

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:12:25pm

re: #216 Amory Blaine

Alright!! I’ll tone down the potty mouth for the page.

nothing wrong with potty mouth in this case.

229 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:12:27pm

Afternoon Lizardim from the wild north country. So my sister, the business major, posted a Facebook status about “go Ted Cruz”, which I assume refers to sticking to his guns about shutting down the government over Obamacare. How she can’t understand the economics of this is beyond me. *sigh* How are things among the lizardfolk?

230 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:12:32pm
231 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:12:58pm

With respect to Cruz’s antics, I’ve seen this on the net:

“Speak loudly and carry a small stick”

232 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:13:02pm

re: #230 Arrrr, matey!

Yep.

I’m surprised they could narrow it down to 9.

233 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:14:50pm

re: #232 Kragar

I’m surprised they could narrow it down to 9.

Youtube Video

234 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:16:04pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Red Eft! We have them here in the backwoods!

Red Eft in my front yard a few years ago

235 blueraven  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:16:10pm

spoiler…Cruz earns three Pinocchios for this misleading ad

236 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:17:36pm

re: #235 blueraven

Thing is, he’s not wrong that the ‘factchecker’ phenomenon is kinda bullshit that pretends to be a lot better researched and thought out than it is, but it’s not like that’s his actual criticism of it.

237 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:17:49pm

Renowned moderate in funny hat now speaking at UN
c-span.org

238 celticdragon  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:19:00pm

re: #19 Vicious Babushka

CONFIRMED. FACT.

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“Gunservative”? Really??

That guy has issues.

239 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:20:36pm

re: #144 Amory Blaine

Amory—haven’t been able to find anything except environmentalist sites citing ‘5.5 million tons/9 days’. That’s a volume of explosives that exceeds the extreme limits of atomic simulation testing.

Important to be right when we’re trying to do right.

en.wikipedia.org

240 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:22:17pm

It’s nice to hear a lecture on moderation from a country that executes homosexuals.

241 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:22:47pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Renowned moderate in funny hat now speaking at UN
c-span.org

When I watched the president of Colombia earlier, they muted his Spanish so the translator could be heard. On this one, the translator is competing with the translatee, rendering both unintelligible.

Oh, different link. Try this one.

242 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:23:10pm

re: #229 thedopefishlives

Afternoon Lizardim from the wild north country. So my sister, the business major, posted a Facebook status about “go Ted Cruz”, which I assume refers to sticking to his guns about shutting down the government over Obamacare. How she can’t understand the economics of this is beyond me. *sigh* How are things among the lizardfolk?

I’ve often been amazed at the poor quality of thinking I hear from people who take JUST ENOUGH econ courses to learn all sorts of axioms and ‘laws’, but not enough to start applying logic and seeing contradictions. For example, one guy told me that

1) Consumers set prices for nonessentials. Raise the price too much and they won’t pay.

and

2) Businesses don’t pay taxes. They just pass the cost on to the customer.

If #1 is true, then there are limits to what costs businesses can pass along, and thus a tax may be paid in part by reducing profits. They understand this, because they believe a tax can put a company out of business, but they STILL quote #2 as if it were invariably true.

Then they tell you you don’t understand economics if you point that out to them.

243 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:24:24pm

re: #241 wrenchwench

When I watched the president of Colombia earlier, they muted his Spanish so the translator could be heard. On this one, the translator is competing with the translatee, rendering both unintelligible.

Oh, different link. Try this one.

Ah much better, thanks. I tried 2 or three feeds and the all had the same audio. That one is much better.

244 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:25:05pm

re: #240 Killgore Trout

It’s nice to hear a lecture on moderation from a country that executes homosexuals.

I’m surprised you could hear anything. And the ‘funny hat’ comment was provocative.

245 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:26:03pm

re: #242 GeneJockey

I’ve often been amazed at the poor quality of thinking I hear from people who take JUST ENOUGH econ courses to learn all sorts of axioms and ‘laws’, but not enough to start applying logic and seeing contradictions. For example, one guy told me that

1) Consumers set prices for nonessentials. Raise the price too much and they won’t pay.

and

2) Businesses don’t pay taxes. They just pass the cost on to the customer.

If #1 is true, then there are limits to what costs businesses can pass along, and thus a tax may be paid in part by reducing profits. They understand this, because they believe a tax can put a company out of business, but they STILL quote #2 as if it were invariably true.

Then they tell you you don’t understand economics if you point that out to them.

Yeah. Anyone who’s taken “a semester or two” of any subject knows just enough to be extremely dangerous. Incomplete education should be classified as a lethal weapon.

246 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:26:26pm

Obama must resist “War mongering pressure groups”! (AKA Jews)

247 Gus  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:27:02pm

More freshly served pablum from Rouhani.

248 Gus  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:27:17pm

Anywho. Later.

249 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:28:17pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Amory—haven’t been able to find anything except environmentalist sites citing ‘5.5 million tons/9 days’. That’s a volume of explosives that exceeds the extreme limits of atomic simulation testing.

Important to be right when we’re trying to do right.

en.wikipedia.org

That does sound excessive don’t it ?

250 b.d.  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:28:20pm

derp

251 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:28:41pm

I’m watching Bill Clinton and President Obama discussing ACA.
Very good stuff.

252 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:28:56pm
253 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:29:35pm

re: #250 b.d.

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Now, where have I heard that before….

254 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:30:59pm

re: #249 Amory Blaine

That does sound excessive don’t it ?

Don’t think it’s possible—takes months to set up a multi-kiloton bang, and the press release calls for it every day for an extended time. Someone made a mistake and it got spread about, probably.

255 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:31:13pm

re: #247 Gus

More freshly served pablum from Rouhani.

Sort of. The content is the same as we’ve heard before. Some of the rhetoric is toned down from the “smell of sulfur” type stuff of Ahmadinejad but this is essentially the same speech we’ve heard before. They’re playing games.

256 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:31:29pm

re: #236 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Thing is, he’s not wrong that the ‘factchecker’ phenomenon is kinda bullshit that pretends to be a lot better researched and thought out than it is, but it’s not like that’s his actual criticism of it.

The real beef Cruz et al. have with fact checking is that it concedes the existence of facts.

Facts have a pesky tendency to conflict with right wing dogma, and are therefore undesirable.

257 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:31:40pm

re: #245 thedopefishlives

Yeah. Anyone who’s taken “a semester or two” of any subject knows just enough to be extremely dangerous. Incomplete education should be classified as a lethal weapon.

Yeah. The ranks of Creationists, Truthers, and AGW Deniers are filled with the incompletely educated. One guy told me his favorite Conservative blogger had ‘a background in Science (psychology), and so I should believe it when the blogger says that there aren’t enough different weather stations in the world to tell you anything about temperature trends. Another thinks his experience as a polymer chemist trumps mine in Molecular Biology in discussing Evolution, particularly the mechanisms by which new genes are generated.

258 blueraven  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:32:01pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

Now, where have I heard that before….

KT is Code Pink? Ack!

259 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:32:01pm

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m watching Bill Clinton and President Obama discussing ACA.
Very good stuff.

Me too. It is going to be fun watching if this will have any effect on polls and overall impression America has on this whole healthcare war.

260 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:32:21pm

I don’t quite believe what I’m seeing. There was an advertisement on the TV for a Julian Assange movie. What the fuck, seriously.

261 EPR-radar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:33:31pm

re: #257 GeneJockey

Yeah. The ranks of Creationists, Truthers, and AGW Deniers are filled with the incompletely educated. One guy told me his favorite Conservative blogger had ‘a background in Science (psychology), and so I should believe it when the blogger says that there aren’t enough different weather stations in the world to tell you anything about temperature trends. Another thinks his experience as a polymer chemist trumps mine in Molecular Biology in discussing Evolution, particularly the mechanisms by which new genes are generated.

It is unfortunate that so many people are clueless about how little they know. Subject matter experts who think their expertise in their field magically translates to all other fields are especially irritating.

262 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:33:39pm

re: #257 GeneJockey

Yeah. The ranks of Creationists, Truthers, and AGW Deniers are filled with the incompletely educated. One guy told me his favorite Conservative blogger had ‘a background in Science (psychology), and so I should believe it when the blogger says that there aren’t enough different weather stations in the world to tell you anything about temperature trends. Another thinks his experience as a polymer chemist trumps mine in Molecular Biology in discussing Evolution, particularly the mechanisms by which new genes are generated.

I have a semester of university-level physics and two of university-level statistics. That doesn’t make me either a physicist or a statistician, but it does mean that I know the lingo and can follow along with the logic if presented to me. I won’t be getting any Nobel Prizes or debating with Nate Silver any time soon, though.

263 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:34:01pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

I will place disclaimer about the explosives. Thanks for the critque. However the concerns of the farmowner and the offer of caulk is legit.

264 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:34:02pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

I don’t quite believe what I’m seeing. There was an advertisement on the TV for a Julian Assange movie. What the fuck, seriously.

Oscar gold.

265 Kragar  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:34:04pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

I don’t quite believe what I’m seeing. There was an advertisement on the TV for a Julian Assange movie. What the fuck, seriously.

People love gangster and spy movies.
/

266 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:34:44pm

re: #256 EPR-radar

The real beef Cruz et al. have with fact checking is that it concedes the existence of facts.

Facts have a pesky tendency to conflict with right wing dogma, and are therefore undesirable.

Fact checkers appear to have a liberal bias because Conservatives are so much less honest, and so much more prone to spewing utter bullshit. This is the whole reason behind the decades-long assault on the integrity of the press, leading to Chuck Todd’s admission that it’s not his job to expose the Right’s lies on the ACA.

267 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:34:46pm

Iran leader meets French president, but not Obama
Kind of a long way to go for a practical joke.

268 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:35:23pm

re: #263 Amory Blaine

I will place disclaimer about the explosives. Thanks for the critque. However the concerns of the farmowner and the offer of caulk is legit.

Oh yeah—that’s why it’s important not to be easily dismissed. Damn thing seems to be close-in in the Lake Superior watershed.

269 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:35:43pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

Oscar gold.

It’s called “The Fifth Estate” and it comes out October 18. All I know from seeing the preview is that it looks like a Glenn Greenwald production.

270 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:35:48pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

I don’t quite believe what I’m seeing. There was an advertisement on the TV for a Julian Assange movie. What the fuck, seriously.

I wonder if they’re going to prosecute people for stealing it on the internet.

271 GeneJockey  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:37:58pm

re: #261 EPR-radar

It is unfortunate that so many people are clueless about how little they know. Subject matter experts who think their expertise in their field magically translates to all other fields are especially irritating.

I read a discussion on an AGW blog about physicists in particular, who think their science is the only REAL one. Muller was one of those - convinced that the Climatologists weren’t treating the data right, and he was going to do it PROPERLY. Of course, what he found was that they were right, they were treating the data properly, and AGW is real.

Unsurprisingly, the Climatologists response was NOT gratitude.

272 Mattand  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:38:35pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

I don’t quite believe what I’m seeing. There was an advertisement on the TV for a Julian Assange movie. What the fuck, seriously.

I’ve been seeing that for a week now. I keep expecting to see Glenn Greenwald listed as executive producer.

The obnoxious “IN A WORLD, where ONE man speaks out against THE man…” presentation in the trailer is nauseating. I can only imagine the insane hero worship that goes on in the whole film.

273 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:40:10pm

re: #263 Amory Blaine

I will place disclaimer about the explosives. Thanks for the critque. However the concerns of the farmowner and the offer of caulk is legit.

that’s good.
That story hit a nerve with me because when I lived in Illinois, we had a HUGE Waste Management landfill that was leaching into the ground water, from which our municipal and private wells got water.
The Waste Management guy stood in front of all of us a public meeting after the reports of contamination were released and, with a straight face, told us we had nothing to worry about because “we have the technology to pump that water out of the ground, purify and put it back good as nature intended.”
gaaaaaahhhhhhh…..

274 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:40:48pm

re: #272 Mattand

I’ve been seeing that for a week now. I keep expecting to Glenn Greenwald listed as executive producer.

The obnoxious “IN A WORLD, where ONE man speaks out against THE man…” presentation in the trailer is nauseating. I can only imagine the insane hero worship that goes on in the whole film.

This is the first I’ve seen of it, and quite frankly, I’m flabbergasted. The guy is a douchecanoe of the highest order - in fact, if you look up “douchecanoe” in the dictionary, his picture is at the top of the entry. I sincerely hope this thing tanks hard, but it probably won’t. The dudebros will eat it up.

275 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:43:20pm

Noticed the story about the Pakistani Earthquake.

This is really a make or break moment for Pakistan. If they don’t respond in a way that the Balochs are uncomfortable with or with staggering incompetence, the Balochs may try to repeat what the Bengalis did 40 years ago.

And I don’t think the US would be as willing to help Islamabad against Quetta as we were to help them against Dhaka.

276 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:46:45pm

re: #267 Killgore Trout

You do realize that the Supreme Leader has final say right? I would bet he is vetoing alot of ideas. A true breakthrough with Iran won’t happen until he passes, or is thrown out of power somehow.

Personally, I still hope for a thaw. I don’t want war with them, and I think Iranian people are, on the whole, pretty cool guys.

Don’t see why you have an obsession for wanting conflict, war, or dragging down Obama. What happened to the frog-lover from 2 years ago?

277 AlexRogan  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 3:13:36pm

re: #260 thedopefishlives

I don’t quite believe what I’m seeing. There was an advertisement on the TV for a Julian Assange movie. What the fuck, seriously.

I hope it bombs like the Atlas Shrugged flicks.

278 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 3:21:36pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Give Back? Yes, It’s Time For The 99% To Give Back To The 1%

All you greedy poor people need to give up your ill gotten gains!!!

I made the mistake of reading that, and the comments, after dinner.

Excuse me now. I have to call Ralph on the porcelain telephone.

Why do those most opposed to Marxism work so hard to prove that his analysis of capitalism was correct?

279 Jolo5309  Tue, Sep 24, 2013 3:36:12pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, wait…so you DON’T want us to apologize for Nickelback?

People like Nickelback, they just refuse to admit it…

Frankly, they should thank us for them


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