Tuesday Night Acoustic Guitar: Tommy Emmanuel, Train to Dusseldorf
The reason why I post so many Tommy Emmanuel videos: because he’s so totally amazing.
The reason why I post so many Tommy Emmanuel videos: because he’s so totally amazing.
1 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:32:05pm |
Apparently, “worse than Munich” is the phrase the right has settled on to describe the Iran deal.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
I believe the “worse than Munich” meme started with Ben Shapiro, then spread to Bret Stephens, and now Krauthammer's parroting it.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
The right wing parrot chorus line.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
2 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:34:05pm |
re: #1 Charles Johnson
I think Paul Wolfowitz was defending it tonight, too.
He did admit “Hitler is almost unique” or words to that effect.
3 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:36:33pm |
By the way, going to the grocery store today at 5PM was worse than Munich AND Katrina.
— TBogg (@tbogg) November 27, 2013
4 | RealityBasedSteve Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:36:41pm |
I’ll admit he’s not bad, but is he the most evil acoustic guitarist ever? Well…
RBS
5 | ObserverArt Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:40:16pm |
re: #1 Charles Johnson
[ Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs - Follow
The right wing parrot chorus line.
9:24 PM - 26 Nov 2013]
And not real parrots. Puppet parrots with strings already attached.
6 | dog philosopher Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:43:30pm |
i had a sandwich today that was worse than munich
8 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:49:47pm |
It’s absolutely pathetic that RW is trying to Godwin every last action, significant or not, taken by President Obama.
A temporary deal between the P5+Iran on testing whether Iran can fulfill its obligations to not produce nuclear weapons, reveal its cache of nuclear materials, and dilute its stockpile to make it more difficult to produce nuclear weapons is somehow like Chamberlain appeasing Hitler at Munich?
It’s the same kind of nonsense we’ve seen for the past couple of years with gun right nuts claiming that if only the Jews had guns, the Holocaust wouldn’t have happened. All that ignores that of the more than 6 million Jews murdered by the Nazis, more than 5.8 million were in countries invaded by Germany. That includes the more than 5 million killed in Poland and Russia, which both had huge armies with lots of men with guns, tanks, and planes.
Can there be a downside to the Iran nuke deal? Yup. Iran could show itself as unwilling to abide by the terms. That would mean that the sanctions would be reinstated to the full extent, and likely made even tougher, and Iran would lost whatever trust they’d gained over the past eight months with the US. It’d be 6 months of testing Iran’s words with actions and verification. You know, like the old Reaganesque Trust but Verify. That’s what this deal is about. It’s about seeing whether we can trust Iran on the deal, and verifying their actions at each step of the process.
Hardly like what Chamberlain did at Munich, which essentially allowed Hitler to carve up Czechoslovakia and take the Sudetenland. It fueled Hitler’s ambitions. That’s not the situation here.
But as I’ve repeated stated, the right isn’t about historical accuracy. They’re about co-opting historical terms for their own purposes.
9 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:50:02pm |
A lot of people seem cranky this Thanksgiving, or maybe it's just me.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
Because I am really fucking cranky.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
10 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:50:43pm |
Just found out that some countries don't even celebrate Thanksgiving because they are jealous of our liberty and exceptionalism.
— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) November 27, 2013
11 | ObserverArt Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:51:22pm |
re: #4 RealityBasedSteve
I’ll admit he’s not bad, but is he the most evil acoustic guitarist ever? Well…
RBS
Do you play Steve?
And, I agree with you to a degree that I always have said has the world ever heard the best guitarist ever? Just like any instrument. Some guy sitting in a house somewhere that just loves to play and is too shy to go out and gig may be the best.
But, to Charles’ love of Tommy…I can see where it comes from. I’m a rank amateur but love the instrument. I am actually more a drummer…but use the guitar for creating ideas to turn into songs. And using my knowledge of the guitar, I’d say Emmanuel is right up there with the best for sure.
I think he can make a lot of “greats” jealous with his speed, precision and one thing that I always look for, rhythm! Lots of guitarist can crank out speed notes as runs and leads. Some of them fall way down when they shift to having to carry the rhythm and along with it the melody. The reverse can also be true, great rhythms and decent but not great scales and runs.
Tommy has that all covered. And he does it all on an acoustic. I’d love to see his neck sometime as to how low the action is set. I’m thinking it is low, but not like can be done on an electric.
By the way, I came across a video of his where he is taking questions from the audience and tells them that he is really a drummer first. He does tap a nice beat on the body of his guitars.
12 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:57:54pm |
re: #2 jaunte
I think Paul Wolfowitz was defending it tonight, too.
He did admit “Hitler is almost unique” or words to that effect.
I tried to use Google to see what he’d said, but hall it pulled up was a bunch of angry Moonbats barking at him.
13 | lawhawk Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:58:45pm |
re: #11 ObserverArt
I’m going to have to look into Tommy’s catalog; Charles’ posts over the years have gotten me hooked on Joe Bonamassa. But I’ve always had a thing for guitarists/bassists - Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, Greg Lake, Alex Lifeson, Kirk Hammett, Les Claypool and Geddy Lee, among others.
16 | Petero1818 Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:06:41pm |
re: #8 lawhawk
Agree with this entirely. One of the best articles I read in the last day or so on this subject is this one.
thedailybeast.com
17 | Gus Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:10:07pm |
Not even close to the Munich agreement on almost all levels. It’s not 1938 and Iran, while still a royal pain in the ass and an exporter of terrorism, isn’t Nazi Germany.
18 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:11:31pm |
The GOP has taken birth control to the Supreme Court under the disguise of “religious freedom.” The definition of “reactionary.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
Seriously. It's 2013. And the US right wing is still freaking out about contraception. This is one reason why I'm so cranky tonight.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
19 | ObserverArt Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:11:56pm |
I know a real good guitarist that does make some lists and very few people probably know of him. Phil Keaggy. Saw him many times in a rock band he had back in the late 60s/early 70s…Glass Harp. As a matter of fact he and they impressed Jimi Hendrix and recorded their first album at Electric Ladyland studios, right before Hendrix passed away.
Around ‘72 or so he became deeply Christian and switched to all Christian music. He is still out banging around I think.
Here is a sample, and he was known for using his volume knob on his Les Paul to get a signature sound. If you notice, he lost his middle finger on his playing hand as a youth and claimed that helped him pull of that technique.
Do a search for Glass Harp. Good stuff. Live they were always different as they did nice jams in transitions from song to song. Also saw him in a guitar one upsmanship concert with Joe Walsh. Both being from the Kent/Akron/Cleveland scene they always competed.
20 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:14:11pm |
re: #18 Charles Johnson
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Anyone serious about reducing the number of abortions should be doing everything possible to ensure women have access to affordable birth control.
Its not about health. Its about imposing their religious beliefs on everyone.
21 | Stanley Sea Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:20:10pm |
22 | ObserverArt Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:24:06pm |
Allow me to go on a little bit more on Mr. Keaggy. Here he is doing “Here Comes the Sun” and it also demonstrates his fine vocals too. He is a master at Beatles stuff. He used to do a lot of their songs when first gigging.
23 | Zamb Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:27:02pm |
re: #8 lawhawk
You know what would actually be like Hitler? Invading a bunch of other countries. Seriously these people don’t seem to grasp the idea that it’s WWII and the Holocaust that we hate HItler for, unless you are actively invading your neighbors or systematically rounding up and wiping out certain minorities within your nation there is no real place for a Hitler comparison.
24 | Stanley Sea Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:28:05pm |
re: #18 Charles Johnson
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Yes. It’s 2013. Birth control is an ISSUE. I want a red line drawn. Do you support birth control or do you not Mr. Man.
I’m getting my protest person ready.
25 | Stanley Sea Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:31:12pm |
Shorter 'The GOP:' Government should ignore what Jesus said about the poor and stick to the things He never said about birth control & gays.
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) November 26, 2013
26 | Petero1818 Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:36:48pm |
re: #18 Charles Johnson
This case is a troubling one, and I think a particularly dangerous one for those that hope Obamacare can be given a fair shot. To me however I believe that the problem could be solved pretty simply. If a private company wishes to opt out of a particular aspect of coverage for religious reasons, they should have to pay a fee, or tax, whatever you choose to call it to the government in lieu. In turn the government can provide coverage for that aspect of the insurance this company refuses to provide. It is pretty simple. The owners can have clean hands so to speak but must accept that employment law requires certain standards be met, and if you cannot meet them for some reason, you have to provide for them to be met somehow else.
27 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:37:18pm |
Friendly reminder that Adele and Taylor Swift are the same age yet one of them has a child and another is mentally stuck in middle school.— Ted (@OfficialTedSays) November 27, 2013
28 | Lidane Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:43:58pm |
Oh geez. A wingnut friend just posted some Joe the Fake Plumber bleating about a teacher somewhere teaching that Obama was literally a messianic figure and how it’s somehow Common Core compliant.
Why are people in this country so easily duped? WTF.
29 | GeneJockey Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:49:19pm |
30 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:56:43pm |
re: #13 lawhawk
I’m going to have to look into Tommy’s catalog; Charles’ posts over the years have gotten me hooked on Joe Bonamassa. But I’ve always had a thing for guitarists/bassists - Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, Greg Lake, Alex Lifeson, Kirk Hammett, Les Claypool and Geddy Lee, among others.
I can’t get into Tommy Emmanuel at all. I suspect this must be what it’s like for people who can’t get into Frank Zappa when I try to subject them to Frank Zappa. Music is such a subjective thing - you either get it, or you don’t. I don’t see an ounce of talent in Kirk Hammett, but then my favorite guitarist is Allan Holdsworth, and a lot of people perceive him as a soulless noodler, so *shrug*.
31 | teleskiguy Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:58:03pm |
The Twitter conversation currently going on between @Green_Footballs and @TheWarRoom_Tom is rather revealing. It really is a case of control over women. Men of ceratin character (i.e. horrible selfish protestant Christian white men) are terrified that women might be able to choose their own destinies, which would strip those men of their power over women.
Viagra? Yeah, that’s perfectly fine to include in insurance plans.
Contraception? TYRANNY!!!11!!1!
The lack of empathy these men have for their fellow women creatures is sad.
32 | blueraven Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:59:04pm |
re: #26 Petero1818
This case is a troubling one, and I think a particularly dangerous one for those that hope Obamacare can be given a fair shot. To me however I believe that the problem could be solved pretty simply. If a private company wishes to opt out of a particular aspect of coverage for religious reasons, they should have to pay a fee, or tax, whatever you choose to call it to the government in lieu. In turn the government can provide coverage for that aspect of the insurance this company refuses to provide. It is pretty simple. The owners can have clean hands so to speak but must accept that employment law requires certain standards be met, and if you cannot meet them for some reason, you have to provide for them to be met somehow else.
That is a pretty slippery slope. What about religions that don’t believe in modern medicine at all, and believe that only prayer can heal? What about laws other than the ACA that they may not agree with? Can they opt out of them as well?
I don’t think a for-profit corporation should be able to inflict their religious beliefs on their employees. Nor should religion be used as an excuse not to follow laws.
33 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:05:28pm |
re: #27 Kragar
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I am superficially aware that both “Adele” and “Taylor Swift” are pop musicians. Beyond that I don’t understand why it’s important to be reminded of anything about them. I assume this has something to do with marketing and branding. I don’t know their music. I am not the target demographic. I am old and irrelevant. Because I don’t have any kids who would buy their products with my money, I am doubly irrelevant. Being old and irrelevant is cool. Huhuhhuuhuhh.
34 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:11:18pm |
Religion seems to be the “get away with everything” card these days.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
35 | Lidane Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:14:02pm |
re: #31 teleskiguy
The lack of empathy these men have for their fellow women creatures is sad.
It’s also entirely normal. Lots of men would agree with that guy.
36 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:14:34pm |
re: #33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
I am superficially aware that both “Adele” and “Taylor Swift” are pop musicians. Beyond that I don’t understand why it’s important to be reminded of anything about them. I assume this has something to do with marketing and branding. I don’t know their music. I am not the target demographic. I am old and irrelevant. Because I don’t have any kids who would buy their products with my money, I am doubly irrelevant. Being old and irrelevant is cool. Huhuhhuuhuhh.
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Neither one is Ronnie James Dio, and that is all that really matters.
37 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:17:33pm |
@HGTomato @Green_Footballs So, once you become an employer, your religious beliefs are completely overridden if you offer health care?— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) November 27, 2013
Yes, because healthcare is part of a total compensation package, and as an employer, you can’t dictate how I spend my compensation.
38 | Stanley Sea Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:17:55pm |
Really a simple formula we have in front of us:
Birth Control 2013. Grip that. I want a red line: MR. MAN FOR BIRTH CONTROL ..MR. MAN AGAINST BIRTH CONTROL Line up motherfuckers
— Michelle (@MichelleVista) November 27, 2013
39 | teleskiguy Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:18:33pm |
re: #35 Lidane
It’s also entirely normal. Lots of men would agree with that guy.
That’s what makes me ill at heart. I guess I’m lucky being the only male child in my immediate family (3 sisters), I think I have a healthy empathy for women.
Women are people too, people!
40 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:20:41pm |
@TheWarRoom_Tom @HGTomato @Green_Footballs Once you get a job, you're forced to accept your employers religious beliefs?— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
41 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:21:30pm |
“Mah religious belief is imma gonna boss you around.”
42 | teleskiguy Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:24:24pm |
“I am getting sick and tired of these fucking church people”— George Carlin (@TheGeorgeCarlin) November 27, 2013
“You know what we should do with all these churches? Tax them!”— George Carlin (@TheGeorgeCarlin) November 27, 2013
43 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:24:57pm |
If you don’t believe in gay marriage, don’t marry a person of the same sex.
If you don’t believe in birth control, don’t use contraception.
WTF is wrong with these fucking people?
44 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:25:11pm |
re: #36 Kragar
I am currently on-again, off-again dating a woman who insists, for reasons I can’t fathom, that RJD’s early career somehow disqualifies him from being considered a metal vocalist.
Uh, okay.
And her idea of metal is glam bullshit. ALL HER OPINIONS ARE INVALID, obviously.
45 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:26:40pm |
@TheWarRoom_Tom @HGTomato @Green_Footballs So if I work for a Christian Scientist, they can cut all my healthcare because of their beliefs?— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
46 | Stanley Sea Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:27:23pm |
This is the supreme court decision of my female lifetime
I’m a bit freaked out.
47 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:27:40pm |
@TheWarRoom_Tom @HGTomato @Green_Footballs If they offer insurance as part of compensation for work, its none of their damn business.— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
48 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:29:24pm |
@TheWarRoom_Tom @Green_Footballs @HGTomato Not if insurance is compensation for employment. Its part of the workers pay and his decision— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
49 | freetoken Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:33:15pm |
Chris Mooney weighs in again about the thinking processes of people and how they affect our society’s rejection of certain discoveries from science:
7 Reasons Why It’s Easier for Humans to Believe in God Than Evolution
I think it is a pretty good list.
50 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:33:51pm |
re: #45 Kragar
A Jehovah’s Witness employer would subsidize my birth control, but if I needed a blood transfusion or an organ transplant, I’m shit outta luck.
51 | teleskiguy Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:33:57pm |
re: #48 Kragar
This is the “Ah-Hah!” argument I’ve been looking for about this whole Supreme Court Contraception Noise.
If insurance is compensation for employment, the employee should not be beholden to the employers beliefs about certain guidelines in the insurance.
Kragar, what the fuck is wrong with these people?
53 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:35:30pm |
@TheWarRoom_Tom According to you, I don't have to pay for things I might disagree with, like military programs, farm subsidies, etc— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
54 | freetoken Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:36:20pm |
Here’s an example from today, which exhibits some of those thinking processes:
Intelligent design should not be ignored
[…]
Here are some of my favorite ideas contrary to evolution: How did the evolutionary forces know there existed in the cosmos such things as taste, touch, smell, sight and hearing so they could develop those senses in man?
How did those forces understand that communication was desirable and so give man a voice? How do we account for beauty, love and sex? […]
“Big sigh” - indeed.
55 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:36:55pm |
@Kragar_LGF @Green_Footballs @HGTomato No, it's not. That's like saying “meals included as compensation” and you saying “including beer.”
— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) November 27, 2013
Yes, birth control is just like an optional alcoholic beverage.
56 | piratedan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:38:23pm |
always felt that he was underrated since he’s mostly known as a Blues/Rockabilly/Pub Rock revivalist, but back in the day, Dave Edmunds could wield his axe.
This version is a couple of decades plus post his original release of this song with Love Sculpture (68?) and is a tad truncated from the original
58 | teleskiguy Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:39:42pm |
I think it’s funny that it took a major LGF outage (which, as I recall, wasn’t that long ago) for Kragar to get a Twitter account. I’ll bet Kragar surpasses me in tweets by the end of the year.
:)
59 | piratedan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:40:00pm |
re: #57 Kragar
Tom’s an idiot.
hey it’s the same argument that beer is just like champagne because both are alcoholic…..
60 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:40:07pm |
re: #54 freetoken
Here’s an example from today, which exhibits some of those thinking processes:
Intelligent design should not be ignored
“Big sigh” - indeed.
I would expect and welcome those questions from someone whose age was in the single digit range.
62 | klys Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:41:33pm |
re: #57 Kragar
Tom’s an idiot.
So he’s totes ok with a Jehovah’s Witness not paying for blood transfusions for their employees’ health insurance because it violates their religion?
Good to know.
Fucker.
63 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:42:09pm |
re: #61 jaunte
Yes, Libertarian.
“libertarian leaning”: because “I'm with stupid” just doesn't convey the level of fail you aspire to. #tcot #UniteBlue— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 26, 2013
64 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:42:46pm |
re: #62 dr. klys
So he’s totes ok with a Jehovah’s Witness not paying for blood transfusions for their employees’ health insurance because it violates their religion?
Good to know.
Fucker.
Or a Christian Scientist saying all you need is prayer for your health care plan
65 | Gus Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:43:25pm |
I knew the knives would come out sooner or later. God, you people can be so creepy sometimes. Later.
66 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:43:27pm |
After enough Christian Scientists die, the market will punish them for their healthcare choices.
68 | Stanley Sea Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:45:16pm |
re: #58 teleskiguy
I think it’s funny that it took a major LGF outage (which, as I recall, wasn’t th@Kragar_LGFat long ago) for Kragar to get a Twitter account. I’ll bet Kragar surpasses me in tweets by the end of the year.
:)
Kragar was made for twitter.
69 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:45:22pm |
RT if you agree: Birth control is basic health care for millions of women—employers shouldn't get to take that away. #handsoffmyBC
— Planned Parenthood (@PPact) November 26, 2013
70 | Lidane Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:45:39pm |
re: #64 Kragar
Or a Christian Scientist saying all you need is prayer for your health care plan
Or a flowery New Age type only covering homeopathy and crystal therapy while they deny vaccinations for you and your kids.
73 | klys Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:46:45pm |
re: #67 jaunte
Knives?
We started talking about female healthcare issues and being all uppity again.
Or something. I can never quite tell.
74 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:47:12pm |
re: #65 Gus
I knew the knives would come out sooner or later. God, you people can be so creepy sometimes. Later.
What?
75 | Stanley Sea Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:47:46pm |
re: #69 jaunte
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I thought it would be abortion that my middle aged naked ass threw down for.
Birth Control?
It’s ovah.
76 | klys Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:48:11pm |
@MichelleVista @Kragar_LGF @Green_Footballs @HGTomato Is medically prescribed birth control — note: not hormone therapy — a necessity?— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) November 27, 2013
Well, sir, that would be part of why my doctor prescribed it…
77 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:49:36pm |
@TheWarRoom_Tom @Green_Footballs NOT IF ITS COMPENSATION! If you promise the employee X dollars insurance, you can't pick and choose.— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
78 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:50:54pm |
I just turned on the Pandora app on my X1 DVR and this is the first song it played :)
79 | teleskiguy Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:51:07pm |
re: #74 Charles Johnson
If I had to guess, LGF commenters were being more openly hostile to religion and free enterprise?
*shaking head*
80 | Stanley Sea Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:51:08pm |
re: #76 dr. klys
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Well, sir, that would be part of why my doctor prescribed it…
gah, have to decipher wingnut. I don’t think his response WAS a response?
81 | piratedan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:52:40pm |
re: #79 teleskiguy
If I had to guess, LGF commenters were being more openly hostile to religion and free enterprise?
*shaking head*
religion is hardly a free enterprise, now don’t forget to tithe ….
82 | klys Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:52:49pm |
re: #80 Stanley Sea
gah, have to decipher wingnut. I don’t think his response WAS a response?
a) I didn’t ask the question, but
b) he’s just really that much of a fucking idiot.
@HGTomato @MichelleVista @Kragar_LGF @Green_Footballs Logically, there are other means of birth control, but okay.— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) November 27, 2013
83 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:53:59pm |
@TheWarRoom_Tom @gracels @HGTomato @Green_Footballs If you don't believe in using it, don't. Stop trying to force your beliefs on others— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
Did I fucking stutter?
84 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:55:50pm |
“Better read Scalia.”
That cretinous buffon is a big part of the problem.
85 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:56:54pm |
@TheWarRoom_Tom Religious freedom is the freedom to practice your religion - not the “freedom” to force your religion on others.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
86 | teleskiguy Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:57:22pm |
87 | Belafon Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:57:38pm |
re: #83 Kragar
So, what religion is Microsoft? Exxon? Hobby Lobby?
88 | piratedan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:58:11pm |
89 | The War TARDIS Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:58:30pm |
re: #87 Belafon
The Religion of Ka-Ching!
90 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:58:34pm |
@Kragar_LGF @HGTomato @Green_Footballs Once you take a job, you can force your employer to subsidize your sexual choices?
— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) November 27, 2013
This is just caveman bullshit, is what this is.
91 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:58:49pm |
92 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:00:56pm |
@TheWarRoom_Tom @psalm82 @gracels @HGTomato @Green_Footballs And workers used to have a say in what their compensation covered,— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
93 | piratedan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:01:43pm |
re: #90 jaunte
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This is just caveman bullshit, is what this is.
shouldn’t matter a tinker’s damn what your sexual choices are, your employer hired you to perform a job/service, there’s a reason why you can’t ask that shit when you’re in a job interview.
95 | klys Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:08:23pm |
Why does this “principled stand” only come up on women’s issues like birth control? I notice he’s gone right to abortion now.
Apparently insurance isn’t part of your compensation when it means they might have to pay for something that conflicts with their religious beliefs, and this national security expert can tell me how birth control isn’t medically necessary for women - no need for them to pay for that IUD when the pill would work just as well.
96 | calochortus Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:08:55pm |
Do these folks realize we are standing on the edge of a very interesting question-what is a religion? If religion trumps secular law and my religion (developed just yesterday) says abortion is good, or men and women can’t work together or whatever that’s all just peachy?
97 | piratedan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:10:35pm |
re: #96 calochortus
exactly, when the fuck did church triumph over state, was there an election that I missed?
98 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:10:39pm |
re: #96 calochortus
Do these folks realize we are standing on the edge of a very interesting question-what is a religion? If religion trumps secular law and my religion (developed just yesterday) says abortion is good, or men and women can’t work together or whatever that’s all just peachy?
My religion says I don’t have to pay taxes or my bills and I can just take what I want.
99 | teleskiguy Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:11:27pm |
Fuck, my head hurts. I scrolled down for a while on this and, I guess, derp.
Seriously. It's 2013. And the US right wing is still freaking out about contraception. This is one reason why I'm so cranky tonight.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
100 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:12:20pm |
This seems like a good time to point out that the Church of the Subgenius is currently running a 2-for-the-price-of-1 special on ordainment.
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101 | teleskiguy Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:12:43pm |
re: #99 teleskiguy
What I meant was the comments under this particular tweet. It goes on and on and it’s just this Tom Nichols guy is a piece of work.
102 | Lidane Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:13:45pm |
re: #100 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
This seems like a good time to point out that the Church of the Subgenius is currently running a 2-for-the-price-of-1 special on ordainment.
I already paid them for my ordination. Got the fancy laminated card and everything. Heh.
103 | calochortus Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:16:26pm |
re: #98 Kragar
My religion says I don’t have to pay taxes or my bills and I can just take what I want.
I recall seeing someone trying to answer the “what is a legitimate religion” question a couple years ago. It ended being a total hash of arbitrary ‘tests’ to allow what the person thought were legit religions in, while cutting out the ones that worshiped the false gods.
104 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:18:02pm |
re: #102 Lidane
I already paid them for my ordination. Got the fancy laminated card and everything. Heh.
I’ll stick to being a licensed lay worship leader and do the occasional morning prayer. Being a real priest is hard work for low wages.
105 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:22:39pm |
re: #96 calochortus
“…As 10th Circuit Chief Judge Mary Beck Briscoe, the only active woman on that appeals court, wrote in her Hobby Lobby dissent, the court’s holding is “unprecedented” and no one “can confidently predict where it may lead, particularly when one considers how easily an ‘exercise of religion’ could now be asserted by a corporation to avoid or take advantage of any government rule or requirement.”
americanprogress.org
“There are currently 40 federal court lawsuits brought by for-profit corporations challenging the Affordable Care Act’s contraception requirement.”
106 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:23:03pm |
re: #102 Lidane
I already paid them for my ordination. Got the fancy laminated card and everything. Heh.
You might have paid “them”, but from your attitude it’s plain to see that you never paid “Bob”.
107 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:23:39pm |
the kinks- you really got me
Youtube Video
108 | calochortus Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:25:13pm |
re: #105 jaunte
“There are currently 40 federal court lawsuits brought by for-profit corporations challenging the Affordable Care Act’s contraception requirement.”
It all seems so bizarre.
Why don’t we just decouple healthcare from employment by going to single payer. Then everyone will be happy, right?
/
109 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:26:01pm |
Apparently, when I express my deeply held beliefs it upsets some folks.
111 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:27:04pm |
re: #108 calochortus
Good article:
False religious liberty
Even if corporations could have religious beliefs, the contraception requirements do not burden religious liberty. The Supreme Court, in United States v. Lee, held that an employer’s personal religious beliefs did not allow a company an exemption from business regulations that applied to its competitors, noting that “limits [employers] accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.” The Court noted that allowing individual employers religious exemptions from government laws would operate to “impose the employer’s religious faith on the employees.” The same reasoning applies to the corporations seeking exemptions to the ACA’s contraception requirements today—for-profit corporations do not have a compelling religious freedom argument.
112 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:28:26pm |
Right wing Christian employers should be *eager* to provide contraception coverage, if they really want to prevent abortions.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
113 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:28:48pm |
@BryanJFischer Apparently she doesn't have any rights once she get pregnant according to you, even if she didn't want it in the first place— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
114 | klys Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:30:04pm |
re: #74 Charles Johnson
What?
Apparently we were bullying. Or something.
Boy. For a group of people that purport to be about peace some of them can be so combative.— Gus (@Gus_802) November 27, 2013
The ironic bullying from the alleged anti-bullying people.
— Gus (@Gus_802) November 27, 2013
115 | Lidane Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:30:05pm |
re: #112 Charles Johnson
These are the same people who are convinced that a woman’s uterus is already lined with a bunch of fetuses and that birth control is the same thing as abortion.
116 | calochortus Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:30:08pm |
re: #111 jaunte
And yet, not all courts have found that to be true, apparently.
117 | calochortus Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:31:04pm |
re: #113 Kragar
But the fetus has a right to do what it wants with the woman’s body?
118 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:32:26pm |
re: #117 calochortus
But the fetus has a right to do what it wants with the woman’s body?
A woman has no right to not get pregnant according to the religious right.
119 | Lidane Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:32:28pm |
re: #113 Kragar
Didn’t you know? As soon as a woman gets pregnant, she loses all her rights and her autonomy. She’s just an incubator after that.
Of course, if she got pregnant through legitimate rape or because the condom broke, she’s just a whore. If she’s poor and dead set on keeping her baby, she’s a leech and a drain on the system.
120 | klys Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:36:13pm |
re: #119 Lidane
Didn’t you know? As soon as a woman gets pregnant, she loses all her rights and her autonomy. She’s just an incubator after that.
Of course, if she got pregnant through legitimate rape or because the condom broke, she’s just a whore. If she’s poor and dead set on keeping her baby, she’s a leech and a drain on the system.
But it is bullying to point this out.
121 | Kragar Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:37:16pm |
122 | GeneJockey Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:41:43pm |
You will never get across to the RW the concept that health insurance belongs to the employee, because her labor purchased it. They don’t even think of wages as something that belongs to the employee. They think of it as a gift, given by the employer to the worker, for which the worker should be grateful.
Perhaps if one turned it around. Suppose their atheist employer told them they couldn’t give any of their salary to the church, and that they couldn’t give money out of their wife’s salary, because the money is ‘fungible’.
123 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:43:56pm |
124 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:44:25pm |
Ironic that Joni Mitchell was the next tune queued up in iTunes.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
But appropriate. Joni is a maestro of the first order.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
125 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:49:14pm |
Wow. That was kind of exhausting and depressing, and damn it, I’m crankier than ever.
126 | calochortus Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:51:40pm |
I guess it’s time to say goodnight. Hasta mañana, lizards. Stay strong.
127 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:52:44pm |
re: #125 Charles Johnson
Wow. That was kind of exhausting and depressing, and damn it, I’m crankier than ever.
This should mellow you out a little bit… Nancy Sinatra.
128 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:56:10pm |
re: #54 freetoken
Here’s an example from today, which exhibits some of those thinking processes:
Intelligent design should not be ignored
Here are some of my favorite ideas contrary to evolution: How did the evolutionary forces know there existed in the cosmos such things as taste, touch, smell, sight and hearing so they could develop those senses in man?
“Big sigh” - indeed.
Platonism has a lot to answer for.
129 | teleskiguy Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:00:45pm |
I miss Christopher Hitchens.
130 | jaunte Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:01:26pm |
re: #128 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
“…All of creation shows the hand of an intelligent designer. Darwin himself said, “To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”
victoriaadvocate.com
A classic of quote-mining.
en.wikipedia.org
“The quote in context is:
To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.
—Charles Darwin, Origin of Species
131 | sagehen Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:01:46pm |
Iranian people are apparently delighted with their President for cutting a deal with us; I can’t find this video with subtitles, maybe it’ll be online with English words tomorrow. (Rachel had subtitles on the portion she played on her show tonight, it’s talking about leaving behind enmity and embracing friendship, etc., and the style of the clip is an obvious homage to… you’ll recognize it.)
132 | GeneJockey Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:02:26pm |
re: #54 freetoken
Here’s an example from today, which exhibits some of those thinking processes:
Intelligent design should not be ignored
Here are some of my favorite ideas contrary to evolution: How did the evolutionary forces know there existed in the cosmos such things as taste, touch, smell, sight and hearing so they could develop those senses in man?
“Big sigh” - indeed.
Oh, for the love of mike. I’m starting to think there should be a sign that says “You must be this smart to discuss Evolution.”
133 | austin_blue Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:04:11pm |
Hobby Lobby doesn’t want to pay for IUDs or Plan B because they prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum in the uterine wall. Traditional birth control pills aren’t a problem for them.
Does this make a difference to anyone?
(A_B playing the devil’s advocate and asking Scalia questions which will surely occur in open court.)
134 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:08:35pm |
Birth control access shouldn't be up to your boss. Add your name to PPFA's letter: http://t.co/Xx9xqgimtp #handsoffmyBC— Erin (@PaleLady2) November 27, 2013
135 | HoosierHoops Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:12:52pm |
re: #134 Charles Johnson
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Hi My Friend..I can’t turn my Nic Blue..What am I doing wrong?
( I’m sure the list is long..)
136 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:13:10pm |
FOGGY MOUNTAIN BREAKDOWN - FLATT & SCRUGGS
137 | klys Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:13:14pm |
re: #133 austin_blue
Hobby Lobby doesn’t want to pay for IUDs or Plan B because they prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum in the uterine wall. Traditional birth control pills aren’t a problem for them.
Does this make a difference to anyone?
(A_B playing the devil’s advocate and asking Scalia questions which will surely occur in open court.)
Short answer: no.
Longer answer: the decision of which form of birth control is used should be between a woman and her doctor. That’s it.
Longest answer: even “traditional” birth control pills work in part by preventing implantation, in the unlikely event that ovulation has occurred. If that’s the exception they try to carve out, then how long before they strip out “traditional” birth control pills as well?
138 | Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:16:27pm |
re: #135 HoosierHoops
Hi My Friend..I can’t turn my Nic Blue..What am I doing wrong?
( I’m sure the list is long..)
Reload the page - had a little bug, now fixed.
139 | HoosierHoops Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:24:26pm |
re: #138 Charles Johnson
Reload the page - had a little bug, now fixed.
Think It worked..Thanks Charles
140 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:27:38pm |
I am really enjoying the high speed internet. I think it’s been about 5 or 6 weeks now since I got it. I cant believe I had dial up all these years. My kids have been watching cat videos on YouTube the past 2 weeks.
141 | austin_blue Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:27:54pm |
re: #137 dr. klys
Short answer: no.
Longer answer: the decision of which form of birth control is used should be between a woman and her doctor. That’s it.
Longest answer: even “traditional” birth control pills work in part by preventing implantation, in the unlikely event that ovulation has occurred. If that’s the exception they try to carve out, then how long before they strip out “traditional” birth control pills as well?
I agree. The “Right to Life” movement has long been associated (on its fringes) with the eradication of all birth control. I wish sometimes that someone arguing this case would stand up and tell the Supremes that they should take their religious beliefs and put them into a little bag and flush it the down the toilet before entering the chamber. Especially that pompous windbag Scalia.
Interesting that all of the Supremes are either Jewish or Catholic, now. And the Catholics are by and large the Rad Right.
142 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:32:18pm |
Dueling Banjos
143 | Belafon Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:33:46pm |
re: #141 austin_blue
The more obvious division is not religion, but gender.
144 | sagehen Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:39:38pm |
Something special for the Doctor Who fans (“The Five-ish Doctors Reboot”)
145 | austin_blue Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:43:06pm |
re: #143 Belafon
The more obvious division is not religion, but gender.
Justice Breyer throws a penalty flag for false misrepresentation of his gender!
It’s religious ideology, pure and simple, with Justice Sotomayor as the outlier. But a Catholic woman, especially a Hispanic woman, has a different life experience than a Catholic man in the US.
146 | NJDhockeyfan Tue, Nov 26, 2013 11:01:54pm |
A band I want to see. I’ll be checking to see when they come to Nashville.
Tedeschi Trucks Band - Red Rocks Amphitheater 8 30 12
147 | GlutenFreeJesus Wed, Nov 27, 2013 12:01:55am |
re: #23 Zamb
You know what would actually be like Hitler? Invading a bunch of other countries. Seriously these people don’t seem to grasp the idea that it’s WWII and the Holocaust that we hate HItler for, unless you are actively invading your neighbors or systematically rounding up and wiping out certain minorities within your nation there is no real place for a Hitler comparison.
Well. Iran does hang gays. It’s a Tea Bagger paradise.
148 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 12:14:55am |
re: #147 GlutenFreeJesus
Well. Iran does hang gays. It’s a Tea Bagger paradise.
The baggers always say they hate the places which play by their rules.
149 | BeenHereAwhile Wed, Nov 27, 2013 12:23:40am |
re: #146 NJDhockeyfan
A band I want to see. I’ll be checking to see when they come to Nashville.
Tedeschi Trucks Band - Red Rocks Amphitheater 8 30 12
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WPLN (Nashville Public Radio for those not in the area) uses one of their tunes as a “Rejoin.”
Dunno know the name, but it’s a tasty mix of guitar & Hammond B3.
150 | HoosierHoops Wed, Nov 27, 2013 12:55:09am |
It’s about 3Am and the kid can’t sleep..You have 2 choices tonight.
The White House must choose between 2 Turkey’s to reprieve. Caramel and Popcorn. Popcorn’s Bio lists enjoying long walks on the Beach..Caramel supports Obamacare..You who is getting stuffed don’t you?
Researchers report that what women regret most in life is casual sex.
To which one lady said what we regret is the lousy casual sex..Men..You got to step it up when it comes to casual sex. Just saying..
Clint Eastwood’s 20 year old daughter got married last week in Vegas and requested an annulment today. She claimed it was simply a booze fueled week in Vegas, mmm. so you’re saying there is a chance..Knowing she has to return home to Clint, I’d hang out in Reno for another week or so.
152 | Lidane Wed, Nov 27, 2013 1:33:24am |
WTF @ the ad agency I just put in an application for.
First page of the application was easy. Name, email, resume and three questions — why I want the job, what I wanted to be as a kid and where I see myself in five years. After that, it was 3+ pages of a near Myers-Briggs personality test, then another several pages of math word problems and vocabulary and logic questions.
I didn’t know that applying for a client services job would include fractions and absolute values. What the actual fuck? Talk about a ridiculous vetting process.
153 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 2:49:11am |
re: #149 BeenHereAwhile
WPLN (Nashville Public Radio for those not in the area) uses one of their tunes as a “Rejoin.”
Dunno know the name, but it’s a tasty mix of guitar & Hammond B3.
Great band. You have excellent taste. : )
154 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:07:35am |
re: #146 NJDhockeyfan
A band I want to see. I’ll be checking to see when they come to Nashville.
Tedeschi Trucks Band - Red Rocks Amphitheater 8 30 12
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Derek is the son of Butch Trucks, drummer/founder of the Allman Bros Band. He’s been playing pro since he was 13 and is a fabulous guitarist. He and Susan (who’s been around a while, too, terrific soul singer) have been married since 2001, have 2 kids. They’re a great combination, both wonderful musicians and are generous types with other musicians, too. No showy, “bad behavior” BS, just great music, real pros.
155 | Tigger2 Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:30:58am |
re: #114 dr. klys
Apparently we were bullying. Or something.
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I didn’t understand it either.
156 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:34:46am |
Thank you, FLOTUS.
First lady recognizes immigration fasters
Her tweet:
“As families begin to gather for Thanksgiving, I’m thinking of the brave #Fast4Families immigration reform advocates. We’re with you. -mo”
The comments are horrible.
157 | Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:35:06am |
I’m getting ready to leave for Alabama. Hopefully we can get this show on the road by 7:30.
158 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:36:27am |
re: #157 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion
I’m getting ready to leave for Alabama. Hopefully we can get this show on the road by 7:30.
Have a safe trip and wonderful time!
P.S. Are you taking pie? : )
159 | Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:42:01am |
re: #158 Justanotherhuman
Have a safe trip and wonderful time!
P.S. Are you taking pie? : )
There’s half a cherry pie in the fridge. Maybe I’ll wrap it up to eat on the road, just remember plastic forks, plates & napkins.
160 | Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:43:04am |
We’ll be sampling rest stop coffee North to South.
161 | Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:44:00am |
Best coffee on the East/West route: Wawa in eastern PA.
I hope all those folks traveling to the East Coast don’t get hammered too hard.
162 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:54:36am |
Looks like a setback for Snowden, Greenwald & Co.
EU dismisses claims that U.S. guilty of financial spying
“Last month, Guy Verhofstadt, a prominent member of the European Parliament, told Reuters that Europe needed “full transparency” because of the U.S. National Security Agency surveillance made public by fugitive former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.
“EU lawmakers worry the United States is covertly drawing extra information from the database following leaked U.S. documents aired by Globo, Brazil’s biggest television network, indicating that the U.S. government has secretly tapped into SWIFT.
“But Cecilia Malmstrom, Europe’s commissioner for home affairs, said on Tuesday she had not found any proof of wrongdoing.”
Remember, it was Greenwald who appeared more than once on, and provided information to, Globo accusing the US of “spying” on Brazil and obtaining financial information from its industries illegally.
163 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:00:39am |
Poutrage from GG because WAPO called Poitras a “documentary film maker” (which I think is her main occupation/vocation) and not a “journalist”.
Dear WashPost: you might want to use “journalist” to describe she who broke a huge story in your paper with a byline http://t.co/rVhY3FsQbb— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) November 27, 2013
Not everyone who can write is a “journalist”, GG. Not even you.
164 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:10:50am |
re: #160 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion
We’ll be sampling rest stop coffee North to South.
You might want to hustle.
Snow this morning in Ranburne (Cleburne County)… photo from Rhonda Estes #alwx pic.twitter.com/wu4vHuUxKV— James Spann (@spann) November 27, 2013
Cleburne Co 2 counties over from Birmingham. I think I still have paternal relatives in Anniston (my dad was born in Birmingham in 1910).
165 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:15:14am |
re: #152 Lidane
WTF @ the ad agency I just put in an application for.
First page of the application was easy. Name, email, resume and three questions — why I want the job, what I wanted to be as a kid and where I see myself in five years. After that, it was 3+ pages of a near Myers-Briggs personality test, then another several pages of math word problems and vocabulary and logic questions.
I didn’t know that applying for a client services job would include fractions and absolute values. What the actual fuck? Talk about a ridiculous vetting process.
You ought to see the app for WalMart. Ridiculous. I’ve had very responsible jobs that only required a one-page resume and interview.
166 | Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:22:18am |
WTFITS?
I just can’t even. She’s blaming the “Hobby Lobby” thing on OBAMA? WTF.
Right now women have 100% control over reproductive decisions. Why does O want your boss to have ANY say AT ALL? #Obamacare #OFA #UniteBlue— Annie (@bloodless_coup) November 27, 2013
Right now ZERO, I mean ZERO people-other than doc-have ANY control AT ALL over my reproductive decisions. #Obamacare INSISTS on boss! WHY?— Annie (@bloodless_coup) November 27, 2013
167 | Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:27:50am |
re: #152 Lidane
WTF @ the ad agency I just put in an application for.
First page of the application was easy. Name, email, resume and three questions — why I want the job, what I wanted to be as a kid and where I see myself in five years. After that, it was 3+ pages of a near Myers-Briggs personality test, then another several pages of math word problems and vocabulary and logic questions.
I didn’t know that applying for a client services job would include fractions and absolute values. What the actual fuck? Talk about a ridiculous vetting process.
“Where you see yourself in five years” is such bullshit. The way the economy and business practices are, no one can predict where they will be or what they will be doing in five years. You can’t plan out your lifetime career any more.
168 | Flounder Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:31:08am |
Good morning. If you are traveling I would like to wish you a very safe trip. Snow turned to sleet, and is now rain in upstate NY. Five degrees colder and we would have had a foot. Eff work today ;)
169 | Flounder Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:36:59am |
Horse pulling Amish buggy shot in drive-by
timesunion.com
170 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:39:19am |
re: #167 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion
“Where you see yourself in five years” is such bullshit. The way the economy and business practices are, no one can predict where they will be or what they will be doing in five years. You can’t plan out your lifetime career any more.
You can’t say that to a prospective employer, though. You have to talk about how you plan to grow within the company. You don’t want to make them think you’re a flake, or that you think they are a bunch of uncaring assholes (especially if they actually are assholes).
171 | Flounder Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:42:05am |
A movie I have no interest in watching, Unhung Hero, the story of a man with a small tally-whacker.
Some things I just really don’t need to know.
172 | Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:50:30am |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
You can’t say that to a prospective employer, though. You have to talk about how you plan to grow within the company. You don’t want to make them think you’re a flake, or that you think they are a bunch of uncaring assholes (especially if they actually are assholes).
Five years ago I was at the company I am now, and five years before that I was with the same company. But we won’t mention the years of unemployment in between contracts.
173 | Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:51:25am |
All right I have to pack everything in the car and get this show on the road. Zedushka is taking his sweet time and I know he will want a last cigarette too.
174 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:56:33am |
re: #171 Flounder
A movie I have no interest in watching, Unhung Hero, the story of a man with a small tally-whacker.
Some things I just really don’t need to know.
He sounds like a real dick.
175 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:59:12am |
Medieval Angry Birds…
Medieval Angry Birds, from our new blog post on the scrumtrulescent Luttrell Psalter: http://t.co/SZ0AWA3e8M pic.twitter.com/ZXdaBSqKfm
— Medieval Manuscripts (@BLMedieval) November 27, 2013
176 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:01:06am |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
You can’t say that to a prospective employer, though. You have to talk about how you plan to grow within the company. You don’t want to make them think you’re a flake, or that you think they are a bunch of uncaring assholes (especially if they actually are assholes).
So they want you to be dishonest.
Terrific.
178 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:07:31am |
re: #171 Flounder
A movie I have no interest in watching, Unhung Hero, the story of a man with a small tally-whacker.
Some things I just really don’t need to know.
At least he’s a comedian. This is criminal.
Husband broadcasts drunk, naked wife on Playstation 4
179 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:08:06am |
re: #176 Justanotherhuman
So they want you to be dishonest.
Terrific.
No, they want someone who’s not going to flake out on them. People whose plans don’t extend 5 years may be job-hoppers or just plain restless, but companies still prefer people who will do a job as long as the company wants them to.
180 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:11:12am |
re: #179 Dark_Falcon
No, they want someone who’s not going to flake out on them. People whose plans don’t extend 5 years may be job-hoppers or just plain restless, but companies still prefer people who will do a job as long as the company wants them to.
So, they want obedient robotic workers with no ideas of their own.
Terrific.
181 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:12:07am |
re: #178 Justanotherhuman
At least he’s a comedian. This is criminal.
Husband broadcasts drunk, naked wife on Playstation 4
I’d also fault Sony for failing to remember an important rule: If you allow live streaming video from your device, you will end having your device streaming nudity and people acting like assholes. If this case the result featured both of those things.
Why people see the need to show the entire world how stupid or nasty they are escapes me.
182 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:12:49am |
re: #180 Justanotherhuman
So, they want obedient robotic workers with no ideas of their own.
Terrific.
It’s more complicated than that. But you already know that, don’t you? ;)
183 | Stoatly Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:20:17am |
David Bowie has been a thing of splendour for as long as I remember loving music - I’m delighted his uncanny ship continues to sail into new waters
Youtube Video
Love Is Lost (Hello Steve Reich Mix by James Murphy)
184 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:24:12am |
re: #182 Dark_Falcon
It’s more complicated than that. But you already know that, don’t you? ;)
No, not “more complicated” than that. I’ve been asked to do illegal things and I refused—something as simple as using my notary seal on a signature I did not witness (it was related to a divorce). I was on solid ground in refusing to do so.
Bosses will try to get away with whatever they think they can.
185 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:31:23am |
re: #184 Justanotherhuman
No, not “more complicated” than that. I’ve been asked to do illegal things and I refused—something as simple as using my notary seal on a signature I did not witness (it was related to a divorce). I was on solid ground in refusing to do so.
Bosses will try to get away with whatever they think they can.
That’s why I always talk about my honesty in an interview: If the employer wants a weasel, then they have other people to choose from. But like you I won’t break the law just because my boss wants me to.
186 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:35:30am |
re: #184 Justanotherhuman
Bosses will try to get away with whatever they think they can.
Their logic is often “Others are doing it and if I don’t, I am putting myself at a competitive disadvantage!”
187 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:45:23am |
re: #186 Sol Berdinowitz
Their logic is often “Others are doing it and if I don’t, I am putting myself at a competitive disadvantage!”
Keeping up with the competition isn’t worth getting in trouble with the law. Better to be out of work than in prison.
That goes double for non-managers. The boss has more money than you do, and prosecutors, like most trial lawyers, tend to go after weaker prey first.
188 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:46:58am |
re: #187 Dark_Falcon
Keeping up with the competition isn’t worth getting in trouble with the law. Better to be out of work than in prison.
That goes double for non-managers. The boss has more money than you do, and prosecutors, like most trial lawyers, tend to go after weaker prey first.
It don’t count if you don’t get caught. And besides, you have low-echelon folks to take the rap if things really get hairy.
189 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:50:12am |
re: #188 Sol Berdinowitz
It don’t count if you don’t get caught. And besides, you have low-echelon folks to take the rap if things really get hairy.
Hence my “that goes double” line. If you find your boss has that kind of mentality, get away from the situation, however you can.
190 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:05:12am |
If a boss is willing to screw customers, partners or regulatory agencies, just consider how his employees rate on the scale…
191 | A Mom Anon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:06:58am |
re: #114 dr. klys
WTF? I really wish Gus would put his posts in context. It’s impossible to understand him sometimes because I have no idea what he’s talking about. He leaves a sentence or two with no reference at all to what he’s commenting about with a “later” or something like that, and I’m often left wondering, well, WTF?
I know he’s been going through a lot, but it’s hard to have a conversation with a person who does that. I hope he feels better soon. I like Gus, but this stuff confuses the hell outta me.
192 | ObserverArt Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:14:08am |
re: #65 Gus
I knew the knives would come out sooner or later. God, you people can be so creepy sometimes. Later.
Arrrgh!
I just clicked a downding on Gus’s #65 and did not mean too.
I was wondering why he was downdinged and accidentally hit the minus button. Shoot!
Gus, I am so sorry, I did not mean it…I’m suffering badly from a cold that set in late yesterday and am dragging butt today. Please forgive me. It was unintentional.
But I am concerned about Gus. What happened last night to cause all that???
I’m gonna grab some hot tea and go back under the covers. This is no way to start the day.
Damn.
193 | Political Atheist Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:14:23am |
194 | A Mom Anon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:17:52am |
re: #192 ObserverArt
Just go upding him it should cancel that out. I’ve made that mistake before.
195 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:26:09am |
re: #192 ObserverArt
Arrrgh!
I just clicked a downding on Gus’s #65 and did not mean too.
I was wondering why he was downdinged and accidentally hit the minus button. Shoot!
Gus, I am so sorry, I did not mean it…I’m suffering badly from a cold that set in late yesterday and am dragging butt today. Please forgive me. It was unintentional.
But I am concerned about Gus. What happened last night to cause all that???
I’m gonna grab some hot tea and go back under the covers. This is no way to start the day.
Damn.
You can reverse dings, you know.
197 | Political Atheist Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:28:50am |
Lucky or unlucky kid? A young boy was actually hit in the head by several tiny meteorites. Got 2 staples in his scalp to fix the split scalp. The odds must be so long of that happening.
198 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:29:21am |
re: #197 Political Atheist
Lucky or unlucky kid? A young boy was actually hit in the head by several tiny meteorites. Got 2 staples in his scalp to fix the split scalp. The odds must be so long of that happening.
linky link?
199 | Political Atheist Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:30:17am |
re: #198 Sol Berdinowitz
200 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:30:27am |
re: #192 ObserverArt
Arrrgh!
I just clicked a downding on Gus’s #65 and did not mean too.
I was wondering why he was downdinged and accidentally hit the minus button. Shoot!
Gus, I am so sorry, I did not mean it…I’m suffering badly from a cold that set in late yesterday and am dragging butt today. Please forgive me. It was unintentional.
But I am concerned about Gus. What happened last night to cause all that???
I’m gonna grab some hot tea and go back under the covers. This is no way to start the day.
Damn.
Didn’t know that happened because I didn’t read back that far. Gus seems to be in pain and going through some tough times. He has my empathy totally.
Then I did read back a way, and the vibes started to get a little dicey. Even Charles:
re: #9 Charles Johnson
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I think his was more about the moronic posts coming from the ‘bagger types, though.
We all get that way from time to time, for the most part. Anyone who says they’re happy all the time is lying.
When you get old like me, people come to you, though, if you’re lucky, and I’m happy that my kids expect me to cook—while I still can (although I didn’t last year and that was OK, too, having it at g-daughter’s). Established that tradition a long, long time ago. It makes me happy to feed people, and we always have someone else who has no where else to go. Ten here tomorrow. And yes, I’m cleaning and cooking between comments (which I consider is a little rest). It’s raining and nowhere we have to go today.
201 | S'latch Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:34:47am |
Sometimes Tommy Emmanuel looks as though he is amused by his hands playing the guitar, as if he were not actually in control of them, but he is just really enjoying the music his hands are playing.
202 | A Mom Anon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:34:50am |
re: #200 Justanotherhuman
I’m trying to find a break in the crappy weather to get to the store to get a few things and deposit a long awaited check into the bank. It’s 20 degrees here because we’re under a wind advisory with gusts up to 45MPH. Which means trees are gonna fall in some areas and all the collateral damage that goes with that. It also snowed a little here, not enough to stick on the roads, but enough to make people stupid. It’s either that or sneak outta here early and get to Kroger against my no shopping on turkey day rule.
203 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:36:31am |
re: #202 A Mom Anon
I’m trying to find a break in the crappy weather to get to the store to get a few things and deposit a long awaited check into the bank. It’s 20 degrees here because we’re under a wind advisory with gusts up to 45MPH. Which means trees are gonna fall in some areas and all the collateral damage that goes with that. It also snowed a little here, not enough to stick on the roads, but enough to make people stupid. It’s either that or sneak outta here early and get to Kroger against my no shopping on turkey day rule.
I don’t think we’re going to get anything but rain, and it’s supposed to be around 40-42 all day, except later when it gets down to 20. Tomorrow will be sunny and no precip. : )
204 | ObserverArt Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:40:56am |
Thanks to those that mentioned you can upding to cancel a downding. I did not know that. I feel better now…except for the cold.
Still concerned about Gus though. I hope he is okay.
205 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:42:12am |
re: #197 Political Atheist
Lucky or unlucky kid? A young boy was actually hit in the head by several tiny meteorites. Got 2 staples in his scalp to fix the split scalp. The odds must be so long of that happening.
Very long. It’s only happened 2 times in the US since the end of WWII. This time and in 1954, the person hit did not suffer permanent injury. The other major hit in 1992 hit a car, a 12-year old Chevy Malibu, but the owner wasn’t inside. She made out alright, though, given that she sold the car to a museum for $10,000.
206 | lawhawk Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:46:12am |
re: #190 Sol Berdinowitz
Pizza Hut manager fired for refusing to open on Thanksgiving http://t.co/R6rZHvNyhW— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) November 27, 2013
Indeed. Workers are so thrilled to be working on Thanksgiving that employers are firing them for refusing to do so.
And I disagree with the lede of this article about employers who are open or closed on Thanksgiving. Those retailers that refuse to be closed on Thanksgiving have declared war on families, not Thanksgiving. Putting profits ahead of togetherness, and many of these retailers are already known for treating their workers like crap (WalMart, I’m looking at you).
207 | BeenHereAwhile Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:48:05am |
re: #154 Justanotherhuman
Derek is the son of Butch Trucks, drummer/founder of the Allman Bros Band. He’s been playing pro since he was 13 and is a fabulous guitarist. He and Susan (who’s been around a while, too, terrific soul singer) have been married since 2001, have 2 kids. They’re a great combination, both wonderful musicians and are generous types with other musicians, too. No showy, “bad behavior” BS, just great music, real pros.
Glad to hear that Derek Trucks in following his family’s tradition; apparently didn’t adopt his uncle Butch’s attitude, and puts all his energy into his music and family.
Butch, as talented and educated as he is (studied music at FSU), was one of the two more truculent members of the ABB, and was difficult to deal with.
Suspect that Dwayne Allman would have enjoyed Derek’s tone and slide guitar technique.
208 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:55:42am |
I haz a page about how the War On Christmas just got very weird…
209 | BeenHereAwhile Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:00:46am |
re: #184 Justanotherhuman
No, not “more complicated” than that. I’ve been asked to do illegal things and I refused—something as simple as using my notary seal on a signature I did not witness (it was related to a divorce). I was on solid ground in refusing to do so.
Bosses will try to get away with whatever they think they can.
A good question to ask oneself in situations like this is, “would I want to testify about this under oath in court?”
210 | lawhawk Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:03:42am |
This is a spot of good news ahead of the holiday weekend. An autistic teen from Marlboro NJ had been missing for more than a week, but was found in Ohio safe. The teen had been spotted at NY’s Port Authority Bus Terminal, but was apparently directed to a bus for Marlboro NY instead. It’s still not clear how he got to Ohio.
Unfortunately, there’s another autistic teen from NYC who’s still missing more than a month after walking out of his school midday. Avonte Oquendo, a 14-year old boy who’s nonverbal, is still missing despite massive searches across NYC since October 4.
211 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:04:30am |
re: #206 lawhawk
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Indeed. Workers are so thrilled to be working on Thanksgiving that employers are firing them for refusing to do so.And I disagree with the lede of this article about employers who are open or closed on Thanksgiving. Those retailers that refuse to be closed on Thanksgiving have declared war on families, not Thanksgiving. Putting profits ahead of togetherness, and many of these retailers are already known for treating their workers like crap (WalMart, I’m looking at you).
Add Barnes & Noble to your ‘good’ list, folks, since they’ll be closed tomorrow.
212 | Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:10:24am |
re: #19 ObserverArt
I know a real good guitarist that does make some lists and very few people probably know of him. Phil Keaggy. Saw him many times in a rock band he had back in the late 60s/early 70s…Glass Harp. As a matter of fact he and they impressed Jimi Hendrix and recorded their first album at Electric Ladyland studios, right before Hendrix passed away.
[snip]
Looks like we stomped around the same turf in those days. I grew up just north east into PA from Youngstown and remember Glass Harp. Good music. Michael Stanley is still going strong in this area also. And my areas claim to fame was producing Trent Reznor (my dad still has one of his family’s heaters in his pole barn :-)).
213 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:29:19am |
re: #207 BeenHereAwhile
Glad to hear that Derek Trucks in following his family’s tradition; apparently didn’t adopt his uncle Butch’s attitude, and puts all his energy into his music and family.
Butch, as talented and educated as he is (studied music at FSU), was one of the two more truculent members of the ABB, and was difficult to deal with.
Suspect that Dwayne Allman would have enjoyed Derek’s tone and slide guitar technique.
Yes, uncle. Brain fart there, as is the case when getting old. : )
Still, I don’t think Derek gets enough credit for his playing but he is a pretty laid back guy, very calm. Susan is very influential in his life.
214 | ObserverArt Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:38:24am |
re: #212 Eventual Carrion
Looks like we stomped around the same turf in those days. I grew up just north east into PA from Youngstown and remember Glass Harp. Good music. Michael Stanley is still going strong in this area also. And my areas claim to fame was producing Trent Reznor (my dad still has one of his family’s heaters in his pole barn :-)).
I’m from the Mansfield Ohio area. Glass Harp used to play concerts in Mansfield quite often. We had them do a concert at my high school my senior year. The show with Joe Walsh and the James Gang was at Ashland (OH) College.
And I worked with Trent Reznor’s cousin at my last job. And, I have a guy I do some freelance work for that is still one of The Michael Stanley Band’s biggest fans. As you probably already know Dan Pecchio played bass with Michael Stanely after Glass Harp broke up. I think he is retired now.
Ohio always had a very active music scene. My best times were at the Agora in Columbus, where I moved after high school to go to college. I probably saw over 200 or more shows there and other places in Columbus. Two strong memories of those days was seeing Canned Heat at a Midnight show and those guys “boogied” until the wee hours of the night. Also, saw Genesis on their very first tour through America. Lots of Brit bands would start their American tours in Ohio at the three Ohio Agora Ballrooms. One was in Toledo, one in Cleveland and one in Columbus. It would allow the bands to have three venues they could tune up their acts over three nights within 200 miles of each other.
And, the Agoras always turned out the audience. That is except for Genesis who were almost unknown in America at that time. If there were 100 people at their Columbus show they didn’t let it bother them. My buddies and I plopped down on the floor right in front of Peter Gabriel and were totally entranced with the show. They did a full two hours with all the costumes and backdrops, videos and lighting. It was fantastic and the small crowd let them know it. I know I did!
I’ve always loved music, especially live. And as you can tell I love talking about it too! Those were great days. Not quite the same these days. There are still decent shows here in Columbus, but the days of seeing three and four bands at a venue or an outdoor concert aren’t like they used to be. It seemed in the early 70s there would be an outdoor show somewhere in Ohio every weekend. We used to joke that you could see Foghat, Aerosmith, REO Speedwagon, Montrose or Ted Nugent (groan…I want my money back!) and a few others almost any weekend.
215 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:38:53am |
In the process of making yeast rolls, deviled eggs and potato salad. Will get up at the crack of dawn and start prepping the turkey and other dishes. By the time we eat, starting around 1-2-ish, I’ll probably need a nap. : )
I don’t really do that many desserts, but g-daughter is bringing some. I might even try out the dishwasher this year (I’ve never used it because I enjoy washing dishes and can never get a full load).
216 | lawhawk Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:41:25am |
For those flying or expecting visitors flying in, Flight Aware has the current travel delays and problem areas. NYC metro area airports are starting to see delays, especially as the winds begin to pick up.
217 | Joanne Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:45:44am |
re: #55 jaunte
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Yes, birth control is just like an optional alcoholic beverage.
.@TheWarRoom_Tom @Kragar_LGF @Green_Footballs @HGTomato Because healthcare is like…beer? Welp, that pretty much ends any rational thought.— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) November 27, 2013
218 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:47:36am |
re: #216 lawhawk
For those flying or expecting visitors flying in, Flight Aware has the current travel delays and problem areas. NYC metro area airports are starting to see delays, especially as the winds begin to pick up.
On that note, severe thunderstorm/wind warning for Cape Cod.
219 | kirkspencer Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:48:39am |
re: #179 Dark_Falcon
No, they want someone who’s not going to flake out on them. People whose plans don’t extend 5 years may be job-hoppers or just plain restless, but companies still prefer people who will do a job as long as the company wants them to.
Once upon a time I was somewhat active in WoW. (20+ hours a week, daily blog, that sort of thing. Just a little active.) I got asked by some guilds to help design the interview questionnaires, and as a result gained a lot of sympathy for HR. Not least, they suffer the problem tech and everyone else gets dealing with bosses who listen carefully to their experts and then ignore them. sigh.
Anyway and on to the point, what amazed me was how often the people actually asking don’t really ask about what they want and then get frustrated because they get square pegs for their round holes.
If you’re looking for people who will do extra hours on a regular basis, make questions that check for that. If you want people to jump to your tune, don’t hunt for individualists - and by the same token if you want imaginative self-starters quit setting your resume sweep to ignore anyone without check-the-box markers. (Because the imaginative self-starters are going to have ping-pong resumes as they tried different things, and failed at more than one.)
Sorry. personal rant suppressed for now - I could go on.
220 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:54:12am |
re: #217 Joanne
Because discussing nuanced, complex issues on Twitter is like trying to read Wuthering Heights in semaphore
221 | bubba zanetti Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:57:18am |
As an employer, if I actually had a choice I’d really prefer my employees didn’t get pregnant so I could depend on them for the long term*.
I guess these “Jerb Creyaterz” know something I don’t.
* My experience is that most quit. Some come back and help part-time after a year or so. But for me pregnancy means I’ll have to find a replacement.
222 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:58:50am |
re: #214 ObserverArt
I’m from the Mansfield Ohio area. Glass Harp used to play concerts in Mansfield quite often. We had them do a concert at my high school my senior year. The show with Joe Walsh and the James Gang was at Ashland (OH) College.
And I worked with Trent Reznor’s cousin at my last job. And, I have a guy I do some freelance work for that is still one of The Michael Stanley Band’s biggest fans. As you probably already know Dan Pecchio played bass with Michael Stanely after Glass Harp broke up. I think he is retired now.
Ohio always had a very active music scene. My best times were at the Agora in Columbus, where I moved after high school to go to college. I probably saw over 200 or more shows there and other places in Columbus. Two strong memories of those days was seeing Canned Heat at a Midnight show and those guys “boogied” until the wee hours of the night. Also, saw Genesis on their very first tour through America. Lots of Brit bands would start their American tours in Ohio at the three Ohio Agora Ballrooms. One was in Toledo, one in Cleveland and one in Columbus. It would allow the bands to have three venues they could tune up their acts over three nights within 200 miles of each other.
And, the Agoras always turned out the audience. That is except for Genesis who were almost unknown in America at that time. If there were 100 people at their Columbus show they didn’t let it bother them. My buddies and I plopped down on the floor right in front of Peter Gabriel and were totally entranced with the show. They did a full two hours with all the costumes and backdrops, videos and lighting. It was fantastic and the small crowd let them know it. I know I did!
I’ve always loved music, especially live. And as you can tell I love talking about it too! Those were great days. Not quite the same these days. There are still decent shows here in Columbus, but the days of seeing three and four bands at a venue or an outdoor concert aren’t like they used to be. It seemed in the early 70s there would be an outdoor show somewhere in Ohio every weekend. We used to joke that you could see Foghat, Aerosmith, REO Speedwagon, Montrose or Ted Nugent (groan…I want my money back!) and a few others almost any weekend.
Yeah, back in the day, you could get a couple of top bands in the same show, too, for a $10 ticket. I saw Clapton, Santana, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and others for really cheap. And you could get away with smoking pot, too, even in the city-owned facility.
Back in the 1990s, when the Eagles did the “Hell Freezes Over” tour, people were paying $100+/ticket and I couldn’t even imagine paying that much to see a rock band. “Lesser” bands could be seen playing at fair grounds and in clubs, cheap.
223 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:01:24am |
re: #221 bubba zanetti
As an employer, if I actually had a choice I’d really prefer my employees didn’t get pregnant so I could depend on them for the long term*.
I guess these “Jerb Creyaterz” know something I don’t.
* My experience is that most quit. Some come back and help part-time after a year or so. But for me pregnancy means I’ll have to find a replacement.
This goes beyond economic or business considerations, it is about imposing an ideology on people.
224 | bubba zanetti Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:03:19am |
re: #223 Sol Berdinowitz
This goes beyond economic or business considerations, it is about imposing an ideology on
peoplewomen.
FTFY
225 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:08:33am |
re: #224 bubba zanetti
FTFY
And the men they sleep with. And opposition to ACA is all about ideology, as is opposition to minimum wage and food stamps and any government subsidy that does not benefit corporations over individuals.
226 | Political Atheist Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:09:09am |
re: #185 Dark_Falcon
That’s why I always talk about my honesty in an interview: If the employer wants a weasel, then they have other people to choose from. But like you I won’t break the law just because my boss wants me to.
Part of my job is regulatory compliance. So I took the seminars etc. OSHA, AQMD, DTSC, Water Quality, Those guys can and do put people in jail for “following orders” like running unsafe equipment or hidden drains.
227 | The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:09:46am |
re: #224 bubba zanetti
FTFY
If they could legislate in a way to enforce their ideas of manliness as the sole acceptable ones, I think they absolutely would do it.
Actually, I think their anti-gay laws contain an element of policing gender roles and the social performance of gender…
228 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:11:50am |
Obama pardoned two turkeys this morning to ensure their silence about his role in Benghazi.
— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) November 27, 2013
229 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:12:27am |
re: #227 The Ghost of a Flea
If they could legislate in a way to enforce their ideas of manliness as the sole acceptable ones, I think they absolutely would do it.
Actually, I think their anti-gay laws contain an element of policing gender roles and the social performance of gender…
and a heapin’ helpin’ of good old homophobia and fear of confronting their own sexual ambiguities…
230 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:13:32am |
re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth
Obama pardoned two turkeys this morning to ensure their silence about his role in Benghazi.
If that was meant as a dig at Obama, it backfired nicely. Shows how tone-deaf they have become outside their own echo chamber.
231 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:14:46am |
re: #230 Sol Berdinowitz
Obama pardoned two turkeys this morning to ensure their silence about his role in Benghazi.
If that was meant as a dig at Obama, it backfired nicely. Shows how tone-deaf they have become outside their own echo chamber.
Top Conservative Cat likes to poke fun at conservatives.
232 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:16:20am |
233 | The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:17:42am |
re: #229 Sol Berdinowitz
and a heapin’ helpin’ of good old homophobia and fear of confronting their own sexual ambiguities…
I think there’s also an aspect of homophobia that comes the way that gay sex is the ultimate violation of gender norms….specifically the male fear of being penetrated, and all the fucked-up gender/power/sex implications thereof.
234 | Tim TeaBro Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:20:00am |
Benghazi Turkey with Stand Down Stuffing
12 lb turkey
burn the crap out of it
blame Obama
beat it like a dead horse
blame Obama
ask who stole the stuffing
blame Obama
235 | chadu Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:20:52am |
O/T, but posted a new pages downstairs with some interesting quotes from Orwell:
236 | Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:24:31am |
re: #214 ObserverArt
I’m from the Mansfield Ohio area. Glass Harp used to play concerts in Mansfield quite often. We had them do a concert at my high school my senior year. The show with Joe Walsh and the James Gang was at Ashland (OH) College.
[snip]
Yeah, great area for music. Just last night I was playing the jukebox at the local bar and I put on a couple Maynard Ferguson songs and thought back to the 3- 4 times I caught him in the mid 70’s at the Idora Park ballroom. Great concerts. Nelson Ledges, many great venues.
237 | bubba zanetti Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:25:15am |
re: #234 Tim TeaBro
Benghazi Turkey with Stand Down Stuffing
You forgot one step:
12 lb turkey
brine in a mixture of piss, vinegar, and wingnut tears
burn the crap out of it
blame Obama
beat it like a dead horse
blame Obama
ask who stole the stuffing
blame Obama
238 | Joanne Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:30:37am |
re: #230 Sol Berdinowitz
Obama pardoned two turkeys this morning to ensure their silence about his role in Benghazi.
If that was meant as a dig at Obama, it backfired nicely. Shows how tone-deaf they have become outside their own echo chamber.
It’s hysterical to me that the GOP has gone so far off the rails that they far surpass satire. There is no way to satirize Republicans any longer because they out-satire themselves.
239 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:31:03am |
240 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:31:21am |
re: #237 bubba zanetti
You forgot one step:
12 lb turkey
brine in a mixture of piss, vinegar, and wingnut tears
burn the crap out of it
blame Obama
beat it like a dead horse
blame Obama
ask who stole the stuffing
blame Obama
And serve with a side of sour grapes.
241 | Dr. Matt Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:31:35am |
If any of your wingnut relatives mentions Benghazi tomorrow, I highly recommend sitting them at the kiddie table. Be sure to provide them with a plastic spork and sippy cup so they don’t hurt themselves.
242 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:35:41am |
Likely outcomes of owning a real light saber:
243 | Romantic Heretic Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:37:31am |
re: #170 Dark_Falcon
You can’t say that to a prospective employer, though. You have to talk about how you plan to grow within the company. You don’t want to make them think you’re a flake, or that you think they are a bunch of uncaring assholes (especially if they actually are assholes).
Except, these days, they are a bunch of uncaring assholes. In a fire they’d insist you go back in to save the computers because the computers are more valuable.
Peons can be replaced. The data on those computers? Not so much.
It’s a classic case of ‘reason doesn’t care.’
244 | Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:38:07am |
re: #241 Dr. Matt
If any of your wingnut relatives mentions Benghazi tomorrow, I highly recommend sitting them at the kiddie table. Be sure to provide them with a plastic spork and sippy cup so they don’t hurt themselves.
When people do that I usually just mention Beruit and ask what lessons we learned from that. Why did St. Raygun sacrifice all those marines?
245 | Ian G. Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:41:53am |
re: #241 Dr. Matt
If any of your wingnut relatives mentions Benghazi tomorrow, I highly recommend sitting them at the kiddie table. Be sure to provide them with a plastic spork and sippy cup so they don’t hurt themselves.
My wingnut uncle is rather muted on foreign policy issues. He mostly rants about welfare queens in the ‘hood and moochers. I remind him that he is a retired public school principal and that both my grandparents worked for the City of New York, so his whole life, he’s been a moocher by Romney’s definition. That usually shuts him up.
246 | Bubblehead II Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:44:42am |
A humorous PSA from State Farm on deep frying a turkey. Staring Si and Jase Robertson.
247 | Romantic Heretic Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:48:12am |
re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth
Top Conservative Cat likes to poke fun at conservatives.
Where’s the glory on hitting doubles off the wall when they’re serving batting practice pitches? ;)
248 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:49:48am |
re: #243 Romantic Heretic
Except, these days, they are a bunch of uncaring assholes. In a fire they’d insist you go back in to save the computers because the computers are more valuable.
Peons can be replaced. The data on those computers? Not so much.
It’s a classic case of ‘reason doesn’t care.’
Not all of them. The scenario you put out was of course hyperbole, since that would be a violation of ‘best practices’.
249 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:53:56am |
re: #223 Sol Berdinowitz
This goes beyond economic or business considerations, it is about imposing an ideology on people.
My experience is that women don’t quit when they get pregnant and come back to work ASAP, in 6 wks or less.
Not every woman, esp working class women, has the option of letting that income go.
250 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:55:02am |
re: #233 The Ghost of a Flea
I think there’s also an aspect of homophobia that comes the way that gay sex is the ultimate violation of gender norms….specifically the male fear of being penetrated, and all the fucked-up gender/power/sex implications thereof.
and that some of these guys are terrified that they are gonna wake up one morning with a hangover and a sore ass and realize that Teh Ghey has gotten them, too!
251 | wrenchwench Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:55:27am |
@TheWarRoom_Tom Wow. That comment’s more revealing than you realize.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 27, 2013
So was the one that mentioned the ‘Christian identity’ of a hypothetical employer.
@_elliottrj @Green_Footballs It isn't. It's simply meant to crush the Christian identity of the offending business.— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) November 27, 2013
In retrospect, so was his recommendation of a Daniel Larison article a few weeks ago.
Those things probably mean little or nothing, but his whole attitude about saying employers should be able to deny women some necessary health care is infuriating. What a broviator.
@MichelleVista @Kragar_LGF @Green_Footballs @HGTomato Is medically prescribed birth control — note: not hormone therapy — a necessity?— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) November 27, 2013
/not stepping in there on twitter
252 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:56:47am |
re: #226 Political Atheist
Part of my job is regulatory compliance. So I took the seminars etc. OSHA, AQMD, DTSC, Water Quality, Those guys can and do put people in jail for “following orders” like running unsafe equipment or hidden drains.
Yeah, I know. Which leaves someone ordered to do something illegal with five choices:
1. Comply with the orders and risk a criminal conviction.
2. Refuse the order and be fired, likely with no unemployment (in Illinois it would be up to the iDES person reviewing your case and you’d have to convince him/her that the order was illegal).
3. Resign the position, which even more likely forfeits unemployment but does preserve your work record.
4. Inform the relevant regulatory agency of the violation, which may work well if they decide to intervene but if they don’t you’ll be canned and despised as a snitch.
5. Rand Paul
253 | GeneJockey Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:59:57am |
re: #246 Bubblehead II
A humorous PSA from State Farm on deep frying a turkey. Staring Si and Jase Robertson.
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That’s funny! I also like Alton Brown’s video on how NOT to fry a turkey, which a quick search of Youtube has failed to uncover.
254 | Bubblehead II Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:03:12am |
re: #253 GeneJockey
That’s funny! I also like Alton Brown’s video on how NOT to fry a turkey, which a quick search of Youtube has failed to uncover.
Is this the one?
255 | lawhawk Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:07:19am |
Three people were killed when a portion of a stadium being built for the World Cup in Brazil collapsed. A section of a roof truss collapsed causing significant damage.
Not good at all.
256 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:12:51am |
257 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:14:39am |
re: #256 Varek Raith
Fox Blames Obamacare For Fictional Layoffs At Cleveland Clinic
They are offering ‘voluntary retirement to 3,000 eligible employees’, so I’d rate the story “Mostly False”.
258 | makeitstop Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:14:46am |
re: #253 GeneJockey
That’s funny! I also like Alton Brown’s video on how NOT to fry a turkey, which a quick search of Youtube has failed to uncover.
That is by far the greatest segment Mr. Brown has ever done. And he sets the bar very high because his show is always high-quality.
259 | makeitstop Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:17:11am |
re: #254 Bubblehead II
Is this the one?
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Similar, but Alton Brown delivers the message in such a humorous but blunt manner, you manage to laugh while being absolutely horrified at the same time.
260 | Ian G. Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:20:02am |
Wow, amazing assault on a straw man by a galtian genius at Forbes:
Any honest reading of what Pope Francis is saying is not that it’s a bad thing that the abject poor are rising from poverty. He’s denouncing the growing income gaps in the developed world, like the US, the EU, and his own Argentina. Worstall can’t be so dense that he doesn’t see that, right? No, he’ll just sweep in under the rug.
I also wonder if he was ever driven into a seething rage by the last Pope protecting child molesters….
261 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:20:21am |
MT @JonathanJewel How to talk about #Obamacare with your Tea Party uncle this Thanksgiving- pic.twitter.com/l30V1MJJOL
— Left Out Loud (@LeftOutLoud) November 27, 2013
262 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:22:09am |
re: #257 Dark_Falcon
Thing is, they are doing that to cut costs, not because of the ACA.
263 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:23:09am |
re: #262 Varek Raith
Thing is, they are doing that to cut costs, not because of the ACA.
Anyone who goes out of business or lays anybody off for the next two years will be doing it “because of ACA”
264 | HoosierHoops Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:24:12am |
Breaking from People Magazine:
The recent Las Vegas wedding between Clint Eastwood’s daughter Francesca and Jonah Hill’s brother Jordan Feldstein appears to have been a big mistake.
“It was a goof off,” a family source tells PEOPLE, adding that the marriage is in the process of being annulled.
Dear Diary:
Day one: I had no idea our trip to Vegas would be so much fun! After a booze filled sex bender Jordan and I headed from LA to Vegas in his Million dollar King Air. We made a little side trip to an unnamed landing strip just outside of Cleveland, Ohio. But it was worth it. Don’t tell daddy but the sex was so much better that night.
Day two: We checked into the Bellagio. I wanted to skinny dip in the water as it sprayed towards the heavens but Jordan convinced me to just flash my tits to the Wine Captain. Gosh..The sex is really good with what’s his face..
I forgot his name and so will you by the weekend. It’s hot being Clint Eastwood’s Baby girl. I hardly have to use his American Express Card.
Day Three: The booze/Drug fueled week is going great. We celebrated Thanksgiving this morning by sharing a bottle of Wild Turkey 101. Room service brought up yummy eggs and a Hooker. What’s his fucking name is a riot! Getting a little fuzzy today so we called the King Air from Miami for a little..If you know what I mean. Lucky I have Daddy’s American Express cause this could get expensive. I’ve almost memorized the 16 numbers on the card..I Don’t understand the expiration date on Daddy’s card.
This is America Right?
Day Four: The Booze filled sex is starting to get old..It was great from day one then the 5 minute grunt and squirt is getting old. I need another drink..
Day five: Daddy called..
Hi Daddy! What? Where? When? Jonah is great Daddy.. I mean Jordan..
Who is your Million dollar baby daddy? Who is your your million dollar baby? Say it Daddy..No..Don’t spell it..Say it..
You can’t say my name? oh.. You missed the e.. I’m pretty sure my name has an e in it daddy..No..I’m pretty sure.. Are you talking to the chair again? Stop talking to the chair..
Day six.. Home at last! After a short hop to Columbia we finally arrived in LA. This was the best goof off I’ve had since I was 16 running through the house yelling ‘I love Rawhide!’ Daddy would smile and keep watching Westerns on TV. He never really got it.
Day Seven: I’m really sleepy and hung over.
265 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:25:48am |
re: #252 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, I know. Which leaves someone ordered to do something illegal with five choices:
1. Comply with the orders and risk a criminal conviction.
2. Refuse the order and be fired, likely with no unemployment (in Illinois it would be up to the iDES person reviewing your case and you’d have to convince him/her that the order was illegal).
3. Resign the position, which even more likely forfeits unemployment but does preserve your work record.
4. Inform the relevant regulatory agency of the violation, which may work well if they decide to intervene but if they don’t you’ll be canned and despised as a snitch.
5. Rand Paul
It happened to my cousin (now deceased) who worked for a waste mgmt co in VA in the 80s. On boss’s orders, he did some illegal dumping and got caught. Was tried and convicted, spent 2 yrs in Fed prison, while his boss went back to China and escaped prosecution.
266 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:26:09am |
re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth
My suggestion: Conversation about Obamacare should be barred while having Thanksgiving dinner. It generates hostility in what should be a pleasant meal.
267 | Mike Lamb Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:28:07am |
Re: the Tom Nicholls stuff above…
1. He analogizes contraceptive coverage to an employee that receives meals as compensation also demanding beer. A better analogy would be a Hindu employer offering meals as compensation but refusing to all the employee to order steak or a Jewish employer requiring employees to eat kosher.
2. He states that in requiring contraceptive coverage, employers are now being required to subsidize an employee’s sexual choices. This is just frightfully wrong: A) there are plenty of reasons to prescribe various types of contraceptives that aren’t primarily aimed at avoiding pregnancy and B) as was pointed out, it’s the employee’s money. Leaving that aside, it’s exactly the opposite—it’s the employees subsidizing the employer’s religious beliefs. While health coverage is compensation, it does require that the owner come out of pocket to pay part of the premium. The cost of contraceptive care is now shifted fully to the employee, when it otherwise shouldn’t be due solely to the employer’s alleged “religious freedom”. The employer now spends less on health care coverage and lines its pockets with bigger profits.
3. Finally, this whole concept that a corporation can have religious freedom is absolutely ridiculous. It’s a person as a legal fiction only. If the 1st Amendment can extend to a corporation, why not voting rights?
268 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:28:13am |
re: #266 Dark_Falcon
My suggestion: Conversation about Obamacare should be barred while having Thanksgiving dinner. It generates hostility in what should be a pleasant meal.
I just completely avoid holiday gatherings with my wingnut relatives.
269 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:32:19am |
re: #264 HoosierHoops
Good, you’re here. Since the blog was talking about WWII recently, when I found this next story I wanted to post it. I waited for you because you’re our resident “submarine guy”:
Nazi Submarine Torpedoed During WWII Likely Found With Crew’s Remains (PHOTOS)
A tip from local divers swimming in the Java Sea has led to what is believed to be the wreck of a Nazi submarine sunk during World War II.
Indonesian researchers announced the discovery this week after examining the hulking underwater structure, which also contained at least 17 skeletons likely belonging to the vessel’s crew, the Agence France-Presse reports.
SNIP
A group of divers from the Yogyakarta Archeology Center and the Yogyakarta Diving Center first reached the sub on Nov. 9, according to the Jakarta Post. Although they have not yet discovered any identifying features on the outside of the vessel, they did discover evidence inside the sub that suggests it belonged to German forces. Among the items discovered inside was a pair of plates with Nazi insignia, the report notes.
So far, the National Research Centre said it believes the submarine is the “U-168,” which was torpedoed in 1944 by a Dutch submarine. The fact that the submarine’s hull is greatly damaged may be a result of this, Haaretz reports.
One of the plates in question:
270 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:33:19am |
re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth
I just completely avoid holiday gatherings with my wingnut relatives.
That’s your choice. My own family is calm enough to avoid an unpleasant topic if asked without being butthurt.
271 | Joanne Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:35:07am |
re: #267 Mike Lamb
Re: the Tom Nicholls stuff above…
1. He analogizes contraceptive coverage to an employee that receives meals as compensation also demanding beer. A better analogy would be a Hindu employer offering meals as compensation but refusing to all the employee to order steak or a Jewish employer requiring employees to eat kosher.
2. He states that in requiring contraceptive coverage, employers are now being required to subsidize an employee’s sexual choices. This is just frightfully wrong: A) there are plenty of reasons to prescribe various types of contraceptives that aren’t primarily aimed at avoiding pregnancy and B) as was pointed out, it’s the employee’s money. Leaving that aside, it’s exactly the opposite—it’s the employees subsidizing the employer’s religious beliefs. While health coverage is compensation, it does require that the owner come out of pocket to pay part of the premium. The cost of contraceptive care is now shifted fully to the employee, when it otherwise shouldn’t be due solely to the employer’s alleged “religious freedom”. The employer now spends less on health care coverage and lines its pockets with bigger profits.
3. Finally, this whole concept that a corporation can have religious freedom is absolutely ridiculous. It’s a person as a legal fiction only. If the 1st Amendment can extend to a corporation, why not voting rights?
This is my favorite. That he doesn’t see the irony of his entire argument in this one statement is truly amazing.
@HGTomato @Green_Footballs Who cares? If you have a JW who doesn't want a transfusion, how does that involve insurance? Jeez, ppl, focus.
— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) November 27, 2013
272 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:35:10am |
re: #266 Dark_Falcon
My suggestion: Conversation about Obamacare should be barred while having Thanksgiving dinner. It generates hostility in what should be a pleasant meal.
WHO SHOT FIRST?!?!?
273 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:35:48am |
re: #271 Joanne
This is my favorite. That he doesn’t see the irony of his entire argument in this one statement is truly amazing.
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Lol.
274 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:35:58am |
re: #252 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, I know. Which leaves someone ordered to do something illegal with five choices:
1. Comply with the orders and risk a criminal conviction.
2. Refuse the order and be fired, likely with no unemployment (in Illinois it would be up to the iDES person reviewing your case and you’d have to convince him/her that the order was illegal).
3. Resign the position, which even more likely forfeits unemployment but does preserve your work record.
4. Inform the relevant regulatory agency of the violation, which may work well if they decide to intervene but if they don’t you’ll be canned and despised as a snitch.
5. Rand Paul
6. Better Call Saul. Any employment attorney would love to have a client who was fired for refusing to break the law. *Or so I suspect.
275 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:40:15am |
Speaking of butthurt
After news of the flights emerged, the Chinese defense ministry responded cautiously Wednesday, saying it had monitored the planes’ activity on the edge of the air defense zone. The statement held back from criticizing the U.S. action.
277 | wrenchwench Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:41:13am |
@Green_Footballs Bart Stupak: noted RWNJ!— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) November 27, 2013
Indeed. The D’s are not immune.
Stupak rented a room at the C Street Center, a Washington, D.C. facility of The Fellowship (also known as The Family), a Christian fraternal organization
278 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:43:44am |
279 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:44:05am |
re: #274 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
6. Better Call Saul. Any employment attorney would love to have a client who was fired for refusing to break the law. *Or so I suspect.
Calling the lawyer requires money. Employment lawyers won’t even see you about a wrongful termination case without cash or a certified check up front, and even if they are sure about the case they’ll insist on a 4-digit retainer. Wrongful termination cases are hard to win, especially since disobeying the illegal order may not be the stated cause of termination.
280 | The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:48:12am |
re: #270 Dark_Falcon
That’s your choice. My own family is calm enough to avoid an unpleasant topic if asked without being butthurt.
If your family is that calm, then you likely don’t have the experience of being goaded and harassed into having a conversation you don’t want to. Of someone saying “it’s just a debate” while doling out insults and canards, or just plain shouting down any statement that’s longer than a paragraph and contradicts them. Of someone saying “it’s all in good fun” when it’s not good fun to be insulted over and over, have your integrity, your sanity, and your patriotism questioned.
And, of course, leaving is considered anti-family/even more rude. So you’re put in the position to just be ranted at or being seen as anti-social.
I”m in the same boat as Backwoods. People invite me to things, then treat me terribly. How often do I get to hear about my lack of Jesus, or how gross the brown people I grew up around are. How often does someone ask me a complex question about Islam or the environment, only to talk over my sincere attempt to answer. But if I don’t go, everyone doesn’t understand, and I get branded as the one doing something wrong…and it’s not just the nuts and eccentrics that shut you out.
281 | HoosierHoops Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:48:44am |
re: #269 Dark_Falcon
Ahhh. 1944 marked the end of the ’ happy times ’ For Nazi Subs. Our Happy times started with Subs coming into port with brooms attached to the Sail indicating a ’ clean sweep ‘
282 | wrenchwench Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:56:28am |
ABL to the rescue (of my mood, at least):
Contraception has FUCK-ALL to do with religious liberty, and if you're making those arguments, REMOVE YOUR HEAD FROM YOUR COLON.— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) November 27, 2013
It's just a bunch of fucking dudes trying to police women's bodies, health, sexuality by couching it in terms of religious freedom.
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) November 27, 2013
I mean, for fuck's sake — now CORPORATIONS have more rights than women? REALLY???
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) November 27, 2013
283 | ObserverArt Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:59:57am |
re: #266 Dark_Falcon
My suggestion: Conversation about Obamacare should be barred while having Thanksgiving dinner. It generates hostility in what should be a pleasant meal.
I agree. That is why the conversation should be switched to The Affordable Care Act instead!
/// had to!
284 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:00:28am |
re: #283 ObserverArt
I agree. That is why the conversation should be switched to The Affordable Care Act instead!
/// had to!
SMACK!
285 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:01:54am |
re: #280 The Ghost of a Flea
If your family is that calm, then you likely don’t have the experience of being goaded and harassed into having a conversation you don’t want to. Of someone saying “it’s just a debate” while doling out insults and canards, or just plain shouting down any statement that’s longer than a paragraph and contradicts them. Of someone saying “it’s all in good fun” when it’s not good fun to be insulted over and over, have your integrity, your sanity, and your patriotism questioned.
And, of course, leaving is considered anti-family/even more rude. So you’re put in the position to just be ranted at or being seen as anti-social.
I”m in the same boat as Backwoods. People invite me to things, then treat me terribly. How often do I get to hear about my lack of Jesus, or how gross the brown people I grew up around are. How often does someone ask me a complex question about Islam or the environment, only to talk over my sincere attempt to answer. But if I don’t go, everyone doesn’t understand, and I get branded as the one doing something wrong…and it’s not just the nuts and eccentrics that shut you out.
You’re right: I’ve never been in that position. And thus I once again realize how lucky I really am.
286 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:03:20am |
re: #275 Varek Raith
Speaking of butthurt
Can you really imagine China doing anything to upset the US govt when they need all those US dollars they’re making from mfg?
The US employs 11.9M mfg employees. Image: fredgraph-3.png In 2006, it was estimated there were 112M people employed in Chinese mfg, but true figures are hard to obtain.
We also have to remember that when mfgrs do open facilities in the US, they are generally in the non-union south (and I’ve personally noticed also, in rural areas).
287 | Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:03:50am |
re: #283 ObserverArt
I agree. That is why the conversation should be switched to The Affordable Care Act instead!
/// had to!
Obamacare fulltime for us. (4 of the people at our table will be navigators.)
288 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:04:29am |
Resisting the urge to attach a name *cough*Rand Paul*cough*Ted Cruz*cough*Mitch McConnell*cough*John Boehner*cough* to that one in the lower left corner:
Multi-headed beasts. http://t.co/RedDLU30ag
— Medieval Manuscripts (@MedievalMss) November 27, 2013
289 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:05:09am |
re: #279 Dark_Falcon
Calling the lawyer requires money. Employment lawyers won’t even see you about a wrongful termination case without cash or a certified check up front, and even if they are sure about the case they’ll insist on a 4-digit retainer. Wrongful termination cases are hard to win, especially since disobeying the illegal order may not be the stated cause of termination.
Many lawyers accept wrongful (ETC) termination cases on a contingency basis, if they feel the case is worthy of pursuing. They always take 1/3 of the proceeds if it can be settled, 40% (at least) if it goes to court.
At least, that’s done in NC.
291 | Mike Lamb Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:11:40am |
re: #289 Justanotherhuman
Many lawyers accept wrong termination cases on a contingency basis, if they feel the case is worthy of pursuing. They always take 1/3 of the proceeds if it can be settled, 40% (at least) if it goes to court.
At least, that’s done in NC.
Yep. Plaintiff’s side employment law work is almost always on a contingency.
292 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:14:56am |
re: #290 Justanotherhuman
Woohoo! The sun is out here.
Rain/snow/meteor mix here.
Also, cold.
And windy.
293 | Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:16:55am |
Whew. Well, that’s one way to get out of bed.
294 | lawhawk Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:16:58am |
re: #256 Varek Raith
Another story floating around is how insurers are limiting their networks and excluding certain hospitals from their networks, including Cedars Sinai and Memorial Sloan Kettering.
Left ignored is that you’d still get coverage there, just at the out-of-network rate.
And that’s something insurers have been doing all along.
295 | Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:17:15am |
Friends, I give you: Mansplainer Doge, for all your online feminism #doge needs pic.twitter.com/Olj5KU1xFB— Andrea Grimes (@andreagrimes) November 27, 2013
296 | klys Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:20:16am |
Morning Lizards.
re: #295 Charles Johnson
It’s about as intelligible as the arguments some men make online.
297 | Political Atheist Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:23:01am |
re: #293 Charles Johnson
Well Good Morning and Happy Thanksgiving!
298 | Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:23:41am |
It’s stunning how many people who are otherwise rational turn into stubborn ideologues when the issue is contraception or abortion.
299 | piratedan Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:26:47am |
re: #298 Charles Johnson
It’s stunning how many people who are otherwise rational turn into stubborn ideologues when the issue is contraception or abortion.
the kind of folks where the only thing fucked is their politics….
300 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:27:06am |
re: #289 Justanotherhuman
Many lawyers accept wrongful (ETC) termination cases on a contingency basis, if they feel the case is worthy of pursuing. They always take 1/3 of the proceeds if it can be settled, 40% (at least) if it goes to court.
At least, that’s done in NC.
In Illinois labor lawyers will often take a case largely on contingency, but they always require some cash up front and usually need a retainer fee. The first is because a good number of people who talk about filing such a suit are flakes or crackpots; requiring a couple hundred in cash up front limits those meeting with the lawyer to those willing to make some level of commitment. The retainer is to cover initial expenses, in case the lawyer’s initial inquires turn up a situation where a lawsuit is unlikely to be successful.
You also have to remember that a fair number of wrongful termination suits are thrown out on summary judgement, and lawyers take that into account.
301 | Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:27:39am |
Corporations Claiming Religious Liberty Infringe on Employees’ Religious Liberty http://t.co/0dc5ZVvoVz - @AngryBlackLady #HobbyLobby #ACA— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) November 26, 2013
302 | klys Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:27:50am |
re: #282 wrenchwench
ABL to the rescue (of my mood, at least):
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I am very, very glad there are sane people out there. Very glad.
On the flip side, it feels like for some folks, this is just another “outrageous outrage” that isn’t worth their time and it’s creepy that we obsess about it. Damn uppity women bringing their healthcare concerns into the political arena. We should apparently just sit down, shut up, and let the religious right strip us of the ability to make decisions regarding our own bodies - or at least, if we’re going to make noise about it, do so quietly so as to not disturb their own world-bubble.
Fuck that.
303 | klys Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:31:21am |
re: #298 Charles Johnson
It’s stunning how many people who are otherwise rational turn into stubborn ideologues when the issue is contraception or abortion.
To be fair, I’m probably not terribly rational on this but that’s because it’s *my* body and *my* healthcare access at stake.
304 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:31:23am |
Hubby just called. Last night’s winter storm fizzled out, so he doesn’t have to go out on storm work, which means he gets to come home tonight.
This is the first Thanksgiving (or any holiday, for that matter) in about five years that we’ll be together.
Yays!
305 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:32:15am |
re: #271 Joanne
This is my favorite. That he doesn’t see the irony of his entire argument in this one statement is truly amazing.
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Tom is a fucking moron
306 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:32:23am |
heh…
#HobbyLobbyRules All balloons sold must have tiny pin holes in them so they cannot be used as contraceptives which are an abomination.
— TBogg (@tbogg) November 27, 2013
307 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:34:06am |
re: #305 Kragar
Tom is a fucking moron
I’m rethinking the name for that critter in the Medieval Manuscripts tweet.
Leaning more toward it being Tom…
308 | Political Atheist Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:34:08am |
Patience pays. In my neighborhood we have this black and white cat. We would see her hunting crickets and acting hungry. Not feral but scared. So each night D_L takes her a plate of dry food. Trust builds, now either of us can feed her and even pick her up. Nobody in the neighborhood owns this cat. Been asking for weeks.
So we now have a vet (health and chip scan) and a prospective new owner all lined up. Day after Thanksgiving the rescue is ON.
309 | Ian G. Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:34:38am |
re: #298 Charles Johnson
It’s stunning how many people who are otherwise rational turn into stubborn ideologues when the issue is contraception or abortion.
You know, I can see the moral objection to abortion. I’m morally opposed to it too. That being said, I want it legal because that’s the least worst option.
Contraception? I have no idea. It’s gotta be entirely about the need to keep woman as chattel of men, dating back to Mosaic law or something.
In my mind, contraception should be available free, no questions asked, at every convenience store in the fucking country. Schools should be required to teach boys and girls every last thing about every contraception method out there. Do this, and I guaran-fucking-tee that the abortion rate will plunge, as will single motherhood, poverty, crime, etc.
310 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:36:04am |
re: #309 Ian G.
You know, I can see the moral objection to abortion. I’m morally opposed to it too. That being said, I want it legal because that’s the least worst option.
Contraception? I have no idea. It’s gotta be entirely about the need to keep woman as chattel of men, dating back to Mosaic law or something.
In my mind, contraception should be available free, no questions asked, at every convenience store in the fucking country. Schools should be required to teach boys and girls every last thing about every contraception method out there. Do this, and I guaran-fucking-tee that the abortion rate will plunge, as will single motherhood, poverty, crime, etc.
Except its never been about abortion.
311 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:36:41am |
re: #309 Ian G.
…contraception should be available free, no questions asked, at every convenience store in the fucking country. Schools should be required to teach boys and girls every last thing about every contraception method out there. Do this, and I guaran-fucking-tee that the abortion rate will plunge, as will single motherhood, poverty, crime, etc.
It will do us no good when God smites us for being forniculators.
312 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:37:10am |
Obama: “We can officially declare that Popcorn is the winner—proving that even a turkey with a funny name can find a place in politics.”
— The White House (@WhiteHouse) November 27, 2013
President Obama: “As for Caramel, he’s sticking around, and he’s already busy raising money for his next campaign.”
— The White House (@WhiteHouse) November 27, 2013
313 | klys Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:37:20am |
re: #310 Kragar
Except its never been about abortion.
It’s about SLUTS.
Essentially.
And that birth control apparently makes a woman into one. By magic! No other sexual partners required!
314 | wrenchwench Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:37:53am |
re: #298 Charles Johnson
It’s stunning how many people who are otherwise rational turn into stubborn ideologues when the issue is contraception or abortion.
If he’s a practicing Catholic, and he’s getting married soon, he’s getting an extra dose of doctrine from his church right now. Full of righteous dudebronation.
315 | The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:38:35am |
316 | Ian G. Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:38:41am |
re: #310 Kragar
Except its never been about abortion.
For some people, I’m sure it’s about abortion. For the GOP and the religious right, you’re correct, it’s not about abortion.
317 | Mike Lamb Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:39:24am |
re: #313 dr. klys
It’s about SLUTS.
Essentially.
And that birth control apparently makes a woman into one. By magic! No other sexual partners required!
Not essentially. Exactly. One need only recall the reaction to Sandra Fluke’s testimony.
318 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:40:40am |
re: #313 dr. klys
It’s about SLUTS.
Essentially.
And that birth control apparently makes a woman into one. By magic! No other sexual partners required!
Meanwhile, they’ll bend over backwards to cover up for a rapist if he can toss a football.
319 | lawhawk Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:41:38am |
Control of others, especially women.
That’s what this is about.
Abortion and contraception are proxies for that underlying need by socons and the GOP (but I repeat myself) to control women. They’ve been fighting against women’s liberation from the household since before Rosie the Riveter showed that women should not be confined to the home.
They’re stuck on trying to go back to a time that is best left in the history books.
320 | Joanne Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:42:31am |
re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth
I’m rethinking the name for that critter in the Medieval Manuscripts tweet.
Leaning more toward it being Tom…
No, no…there are more than enough who fit that bill…er, tail…er…whatEV. :-D
321 | wrenchwench Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:42:51am |
re: #316 Ian G.
For some people, I’m sure it’s about abortion. For the GOP and the religious right, you’re correct, it’s not about abortion.
Even when it is about abortion, it’s a messed up view of abortion. Women battle their fertility with all they have in ‘em, but eventually they lose one. Then the only option is to abort. A huge percentage of fertilized eggs ‘abort’ themselves, but let a woman decide to encourage one more to fail to implant, and she’s going against God, man, and nature.
It’s fucked up, and unscientific.
322 | klys Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:44:12am |
re: #321 wrenchwench
Even when it is about abortion, it’s a messed up view of abortion. Women battle their fertility with all they have in ‘em, but eventually they lose one. Then the only option is to abort. A huge percentage of fertilized eggs ‘abort’ themselves, but let a woman decide to encourage one more to fail to implant, and she’s going against God, man, and nature.
It’s fucked up, and unscientific.
WE ARE ALL BABIZKILLERZ!!!
//
323 | Ian G. Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:44:15am |
re: #318 Kragar
Meanwhile, they’ll bend over backwards to cover up for a rapist if he can toss a football.
Rapists only do so because the woman was asking for it by dressing provocatively. Which, when you think about it, isn’t all that different from arguing that the woman deserved to have acid thrown at her by dressing provocatively by not covering her head.
324 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:44:39am |
re: #321 wrenchwench
It’s fucked up, and unscientific.
The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.
- Thomas Aquinas
325 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:44:47am |
Greenwald is at it again, and this time its the Huffington Post that’s helping his DERP:
The National Security Agency has been gathering records of online sexual activity and evidence of visits to pornographic websites as part of a proposed plan to harm the reputations of those whom the agency believes are radicalizing others through incendiary speeches, according to a top-secret NSA document. The document, provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, identifies six targets, all Muslims, as “exemplars” of how “personal vulnerabilities” can be learned through electronic surveillance, and then exploited to undermine a target’s credibility, reputation and authority.
The NSA document, dated Oct. 3, 2012, repeatedly refers to the power of charges of hypocrisy to undermine such a messenger. “A previous SIGINT” — or signals intelligence, the interception of communications — “assessment report on radicalization indicated that radicalizers appear to be particularly vulnerable in the area of authority when their private and public behaviors are not consistent,” the document argues.
Among the vulnerabilities listed by the NSA that can be effectively exploited are “viewing sexually explicit material online” and “using sexually explicit persuasive language when communicating with inexperienced young girls.”
I personally see nothing wrong with the NSA doing this. It’s exactly like like outing a wingnut preacher who rants about the evils of gayness while having a secret ‘rent boy’.
326 | The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:45:22am |
re: #318 Kragar
Meanwhile, they’ll bend over backwards to cover up for a rapist
if he can toss a football.
FTFY.
But seriously…you scratch the surface of this stuff and you find out that women are supposed to be the sexual goalkeepers because men are uncontrollable. SLUTS are thus a crisis, because apparently only women have moral agency—and sapience—when it comes to sex. Men can’t help themselves, so they’re never really rapists.
There’s no intellectual distance between the anti-contraception people and that abstinence fuckwit that was being lambasted a fortnight ago.
327 | wrenchwench Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:45:51am |
328 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:46:54am |
re: #327 wrenchwench
Rush Limbaugh lashes out at the Pope over his critique of inequality. http://t.co/B7p4YAkuHI— Media Matters (@mmfa) November 27, 2013
329 | klys Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:47:13am |
re: #326 The Ghost of a Flea
FTFY.
But seriously…you scratch the surface of this stuff and you find out that women are supposed to be the sexual goalkeepers because men are uncontrollable. SLUTS are thus a crisis, because apparently only women have moral agency—and sapience—when it comes to sex. Men can’t help themselves, so they’re never really rapists.
There’s no intellectual distance between the anti-contraception people and that abstinence fuckwit that was being lambasted a fortnight ago.
We have such a fucked up, misogynistic view of sex in this country, in the dominant culture.
330 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:47:42am |
331 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:49:32am |
re: #328 Kragar
Rush Limbaugh lashes out at the Pope over his critique of inequality
Then he should lash out at the Pope for mistreating young boys.
332 | Joanne Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:51:25am |
re: #331 Sol Berdinowitz
Then he should lash out at the Pope for mistreating young boys.
Probably strikes a little too close to home.
Off to a meeting I go. Cheers all! BBL.
333 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:54:15am |
Fmr. Navy Chaplain: 'Demon of Rape' Sending Transgender People 'To Violate Your Daughters' http://t.co/7O2KA7OoNf— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
334 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:54:43am |
re: #332 Joanne
Probably strikes a little too close to home.
Off to a meeting I go. Cheers all! BBL.
Or at least close to his Costa Rican vacations.
335 | Ian G. Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:55:11am |
re: #331 Sol Berdinowitz
Then he should lash out at the Pope for mistreating young boys.
Yeah. I never heard a peep of outrage from the right during Benedict’s reign that he was sheltering child molesters. But the new guy suggests that a Randian Utopia might not be the best thing in the world, and they all freak the fuck out.
Just ditch the Christianity, guys, and build a golden statue of Ayn Rand. It’s what you all really believe anyway, especially when you consider what Jesus said again and again about the rich.
336 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:55:29am |
337 | Ian G. Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:55:56am |
338 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:56:12am |
THIS!
I'm sorry, Whovians, but a Doctor who is six years younger than I am is NOT “elderly.” #DoctorWho
— Mary W. Matthews (@MWM4444) November 27, 2013
339 | wrenchwench Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:57:20am |
All this technology is making us antisocial. Before everyone used to talk to each other. pic.twitter.com/7Uy0SYvNHT— Abu Al-Baik (@M_Ullah) November 27, 2013
340 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:57:27am |
cuteness!!!!
A gratuitous overdose of cute. RT @Earth_Pics Baby Otters pic.twitter.com/TAlPY3dCDB
— Maria Granovsky (@MGranovsky) November 27, 2013
341 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:57:30am |
Mike Huckabee Labels Lara Logan a 'Hero Journalist' for Discredited Benghazi Report http://t.co/GGf0YJ8ZTb— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
342 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:58:20am |
343 | wrenchwench Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:59:14am |
re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth
cuteness!!!!
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You otter hand out insulin syringes with those tweets.
344 | ObserverArt Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:59:37am |
345 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:00:04am |
Anti-Islam activist Pam Geller says Pope Francis ‘sanctions savagery’ | The Raw Story http://t.co/33XHXWS83M— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 27, 2013
346 | Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:01:11am |
re: #341 Kragar
Jeez, when did journalism change from “just the verifiable facts” to “tell me a lie I can report that my ‘readers’ want to hear”.
347 | The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:02:21am |
re: #346 Eventual Carrion
Jeez, when did journalism change from “just the verifiable facts” to “tell me a lie I can report that my ‘readers’ want to hear”.
The Battle of Kadesh, 1274 BC
348 | Kragar Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:02:37am |
Religious rights vs health care rights; health wins in my book.— Emily Louise (@emilylouize) November 27, 2013
349 | Varek Raith Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:04:47am |
350 | Schadenboner Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:05:52am |
re: #346 Eventual Carrion
Jeez, when did journalism change from “just the verifiable facts” to “tell me a lie I can report that my ‘readers’ want to hear”.
The memory of man runneth not to the contrary.
351 | The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:10:33am |
352 | GeneJockey Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:10:46am |
re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth
I just completely avoid holiday gatherings with my wingnut relatives.
And I don’t have any wingnuts in my immediate family, either ‘Nuclear’ or ‘Of Origin’.
353 | Lidane Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:17:32am |
re: #251 wrenchwench
When I pointed out to that guy that birth control has valid medical uses for conditions such as PCOS and endometriosis, he countered that he could see making an argument about necessity for the Pill but that it would be hard to justify the IUD. Cue me pointing out that the IUD has medical uses too, and that it’s cost effective in the long run, so denying any birth control coverage = denying health care. Also, it’s not up to me or him or anyone else to dictate medical necessity except a woman and her doctor.
Cue total silence except for some non-answer about how SCOTUS is about to determine if I’m right or wrong about that, but that it’s not a crazy question to ask.
What the fuck? He’s asking questions where the answers will only affect one gender. How is that NOT crazy?
354 | Lidane Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:19:06am |
re: #266 Dark_Falcon
My suggestion: Conversation about Obamacare should be barred while having Thanksgiving dinner. It generates hostility in what should be a pleasant meal.
Oh come on. Everyone knows that the way you avoid fights and family drama at Thanksgiving is by discussing politics and religion at the table.
Heh.
355 | GeneJockey Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:19:22am |
356 | Political Atheist Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:21:55am |
re: #339 wrenchwench
New wallpaper at work. heh.
357 | wrenchwench Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:24:58am |
re: #353 Lidane
When I pointed out to that guy that birth control has valid medical uses for conditions such as PCOS and endometriosis, he countered that he could see making an argument about necessity for the Pill but that it would be hard to justify the IUD. Cue me pointing out that the IUD has medical uses too, and that it’s cost effective in the long run, so denying any birth control coverage = denying health care. Also, it’s not up to me or him or anyone else to dictate medical necessity except a woman and her doctor.
Cue total silence except for some non-answer about how SCOTUS is about to determine if I’m right or wrong about that, but that it’s not a crazy question to ask.
What the fuck? He’s asking questions where the answers will only affect one gender. How is that NOT crazy?
The IUD is the only effective contraception for some women, and still it fails, as do all contraceptive measures except sterilization. Lots of women get sterilized for lack of a better option. Many would not resort to that if abortion were not stigmatized.
Elective abortions save lives too. They should be covered by insurance. Idle observers should never be allowed to decide which abortions and which bc measures are OK. And the Hyde Amendment should die. It kills women.
Tom clearly thinks he knows better about women’s fertility than women do.
358 | GeneJockey Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:28:22am |
re: #357 wrenchwench
The IUD is the only effective contraception for some women, and still it fails, as do all contraceptive measures except sterilization. Lots of women get sterilized for lack of a better option. Many would not resort to that if abortion were not stigmatized.
Elective abortions save lives too. They should be covered by insurance. Idle observers should never be allowed to decide which abortions and which bc measures are OK. And the Hyde Amendment should die. It kills women.
Tom clearly thinks he knows better about women’s fertility than women do.
Well, you know, women get all emotional and men need to protect them from themselves. Or something.
359 | klys Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:30:42am |
re: #357 wrenchwench
The IUD is the only effective contraception for some women, and still it fails, as do all contraceptive measures except sterilization. Lots of women get sterilized for lack of a better option. Many would not resort to that if abortion were not stigmatized.
Elective abortions save lives too. They should be covered by insurance. Idle observers should never be allowed to decide which abortions and which bc measures are OK. And the Hyde Amendment should die. It kills women.
Tom clearly thinks he knows better about women’s fertility than women do.
I can’t give you enough updings for this.
360 | ObserverArt Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:57:18am |
re: #354 Lidane
Oh come on. Everyone knows that the way you avoid fights and family drama at Thanksgiving is by discussing politics and religion at the table.
Heh.
I remember many other things that started verbal scrapes at the table, and they had nothing to do with either politics or religion. Sometimes the wrong word about the one family member with start it off.
That depends on the family of course, but I am sure some can remember some good debates about the youngest child or that one uncle that is just different from the main family character.
361 | BeenHereAwhile Wed, Nov 27, 2013 12:23:37pm |
re: #213 Justanotherhuman
Yes, uncle. Brain fart there, as is the case when getting old. : )
Still, I don’t think Derek gets enough credit for his playing but he is a pretty laid back guy, very calm. Susan is very influential in his life.
Derek is well respected among his peers (some of whom wish they had his chops). The buzz around Derek from a very early age has always been, “wow have you seen this kid play the guitar? He’s amazing.”
Back then he was likened to a young Dwayne Allman because of his young prodigy slide technique, but now he’s respected as a very good performer in his own right.
I’m just glad to see Derek and Susan doing well, and apparently avoiding unnecessary drama. That shit gets old fast.
FWIW, Dave Matthews travels with his wife and family all packed into his tour coach. Although Derek and Susan are probably more normal.