Right Wing Crackpot Chuck C. Johnson Smearing 12-Year Old Tamir Rice

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Chuck C. Johnson posing with his best friend

So somebody already found Tamir Rice’s father’s criminal record? Well CCJ has his mother’s:

And if going after his family isn’t bad enough, he also accuses Tamir of being a criminal (who, need I remind us, was doing nothing illegal at the time).

Yeah, apparently he’s ok with killing black kids because hey, they probably are planning a crime. But he’s not a racist or anything, he ate spring rolls on Thanksgiving after all.

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308 comments
1 nines09  Nov 28, 2014 2:06:38pm

I thought this ass wipe was banned? Well I guess Twitter has no soul, just traffic. Imagine that. Wow. Here’s my surprise. Wait. I’ll go get it. Stay here.

2 Justanotherhuman  Nov 28, 2014 2:42:07pm

Chuckles is the scum of the earth. That is all.

3 Skip Intro  Nov 28, 2014 4:28:47pm

re: #2 Justanotherhuman

Chuckles is the scum of the earth. That is all.

And the heart of the GOP.

4 Skip Intro  Nov 28, 2014 4:39:21pm

I don’t see the “illegal weapons charge” UpChuck is posting about. It’s not on his site.

5 DodgerFan1988  Nov 28, 2014 5:21:39pm

CCJ is the lowest common denominator for celebrating the 12 year old black kids death.

6 nines09  Nov 28, 2014 5:32:36pm

re: #3 Skip Intro

And the heart of the GOP.

At least an artery.

7 Internet Tough Guy  Nov 28, 2014 6:02:53pm

But he’s not racist.

8 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 6:08:19pm

The latest Tweet-sourced Dossier on CCJ is out: wheatdogg.com

9 Kid A  Nov 28, 2014 6:12:40pm

He was 12-years-old. I repeat, he was 12-years-old.

10 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 6:16:22pm

I hate that fuck

11 Skip Intro  Nov 28, 2014 6:17:02pm

re: #9 Kid A

He was 12-years-old. I repeat, he was 12-years-old.

I’m waiting for the cops to claim he had “demon eyes”.

12 BeenHereAwhile  Nov 28, 2014 6:18:15pm

Is legalization of marijuana usage by states contra federal law another example of states right nullification?

13 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 6:19:10pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

I’m waiting for the cops to claim he had “demon eyes”.

They didn’t even have time.

These cops are going to lost their ass in $$$$ over these deaths.

The cops today suck. Their training, their mindset, their steroids.

I’m not the only one who looks at them differently now.

14 Skip Intro  Nov 28, 2014 6:21:57pm

re: #7 Internet Tough Guy

But he’s not racist.

No, he only hates blacks and browns. Real racists hate everybody. I think that’s why the KKK aren’t racists either.

15 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 6:24:18pm

re: #7 Internet Tough Guy

But he’s not racist.

He ate spring rolls on Thanksgiving! That totally proves it!
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16 Kid A  Nov 28, 2014 6:25:49pm

I really hope there is a special kind of hell just for this asshole.

17 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 6:26:38pm

De La Soul has a new song out. Called The People, it’s a free download, and features Chuck D. Catch it here.

18 missliberties  Nov 28, 2014 6:28:45pm

Spring Rolls sounds good!

19 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 28, 2014 6:29:51pm

Breaking news-Protesters close major intersection in Los Angeles

Lots of arrests shortly.

20 Stephen T.  Nov 28, 2014 6:31:55pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

I’m waiting for the cops to claim he had “demon eyes”.

The clip I saw had radio chatter from the shooting officer or his partner that estimated the age of the victim as 20. In what universe would the 12 year old that got shot pass for 20?

21 Shazam  Nov 28, 2014 6:33:27pm

You guys are silly. He can say whatever he wants about black people because he has an asian wife. See? Not racist.

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22 missliberties  Nov 28, 2014 6:36:43pm

re: #3 Skip Intro

And the heart of the GOP.

It’s always smear and deflect. Or Lie Smear and deflect. Unfortunately it works. I don’t know how to make it stop.

Haven’t you heard that Mike Brown was a demon thug beast who needed to be put down, because he beat the crap out of Officer Wilson. You saw the pictures right?

23 Skip Intro  Nov 28, 2014 6:38:10pm

re: #22 missliberties

Haven’t you heard that Mike Brown was a demon thug beast who needed to be put down, because he beat the crap out of Officer Wilson. You saw the pictures right?

I think that was in a letter to the editor I read this morning.

24 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 6:38:58pm

re: #19 Indy GOP Refugee

Breaking news-Protesters close major intersection in Los Angeles

Lots of arrests shortly.

LA had like 50 arrests the other night. NYC 10.

25 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 6:39:59pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

I think that was in a letter to the editor I read this morning.

:( history? What the fuck would we learn from that?

26 Snarknado!  Nov 28, 2014 6:40:49pm

re: #12 BeenHereAwhile

Is legalization of marijuana usage by states contra federal law another example of states right nullification?

I don’t think so. Federal laws are still being enforced, by federal agents (at least in my state) — the states are just changing their own laws.

27 Skip Intro  Nov 28, 2014 6:42:19pm

re: #25 #FergusonFireside

:( history? What the fuck would we learn from that?

I’m serious. I did read something along the lines of missliberties post today. I guess just like on tv, it doesn’t have to be true to publish it.

28 Mattand  Nov 28, 2014 6:43:15pm

Fuck this guy. He’s starting to make Jim Hoft and Rush Limbaugh look like rational, open-minded intellectuals.

Part of it is probably wishful thinking on my end, but somebody this vile is usually on a crash course with being on the business end of a lawsuit or an arrest record.

29 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 6:51:41pm

Just tweeted this, do not forget. Pay another listen.

democraticunderground.com

30 Belafon  Nov 28, 2014 6:51:49pm

I can’t wait to judge Chucky’s kids because he has been banned from twitter.

Also:

(Grammar edit)

31 GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 28, 2014 6:56:08pm

re: #30 Belafon

Or his parents because he’s such an asshole.

32 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 28, 2014 6:56:15pm

The only time the RWers support a black man is if he is wearing a football jersey.

33 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 28, 2014 6:57:07pm

re: #17 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

De La Soul has a new song out. Called The People, it’s a free download, and features Chuck D. Catch it here.

I misread this at first as “Chuck C” and immediately thought: “heaven help us”

34 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 6:58:21pm
35 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 6:58:26pm

This will give you a sense of what kind of people CCJ hangs out with.

I got a screen cap, just in case.

36 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 7:00:02pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

I misread this at first as “Chuck C” and immediately thought: “heaven help us”

I shudder at the idea of Chuck C trying to do hip hop.

I need a drink now.

37 Jenner7  Nov 28, 2014 7:06:34pm

It’s interesting they don’t examine the parents of white children who play with real guns and accidentally kill someone, but go out of their way to investigate the parents of a 12 year old black kid who was playing with a TOY GUN.

It’s sad how racist our media is.

38 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 7:07:45pm

San Diego has no clue. Well maybe now they do.

39 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 7:10:52pm

re: #37 Jenner7

It’s interesting they don’t examine the parents of white children who play with real guns and accidentally kill someone, but go out of their way to investigate the parents of a 12 year old black kid who was playing with a TOY GUN.

It’s sad how racist our media is.

They posted his father’s mug shot as “parent of dead child”

It is insidious, a disease, the racism in our country.

40 Jenner7  Nov 28, 2014 7:11:02pm

I can’t even look at Tamir’s picture without tears welling in my eyes. My son is 11 and the mere thought of this happening to my son is…..well, I don’t even want to finish that sentence. My thoughts are with his parents. I hope they get justice for their son, though I doubt it. This country has a habit of protecting murderous cops.

41 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 7:28:59pm

re: #40 Jenner7

No young black kid should play with a gun.

(white kids every day, but NO BLACK KID)

Ya’ll see the troubles here?

42 dholmes32  Nov 28, 2014 7:40:58pm

Well, Chuckles isn’t the first person to go there about Tamir Rice’s mother. Cleveland DOT com formerly known as The Plain Dealer newspaper, did a rundown of the mother’s rap sheet on November 24.

donotlink.com

The winners over at Cleveland DOT com followed up two days ago with the father’s rap sheet.

donotlink.com

As if any of this matters in the death of a child by an officer who pretty much drove up and unloaded into the boy.

43 jaunte  Nov 28, 2014 7:41:22pm
44 Snarknado!  Nov 28, 2014 7:45:11pm

re: #42 dholmes32

Well, Chuckles isn’t the first person to go there about Tamir Rice’s mother. Cleveland DOT com formerly known as The Plain Dealer newspaper, did a rundown of the mother’s rap sheet on November 24.

donotlink.com

The winners over at Cleveland DOT com followed up two days ago with the father’s rap sheet.

donotlink.com

As if any of this matters in the death of a child by an officer who pretty much drove up and unloaded into the boy.

In another world (and one I’d rather live in) all this would evoke sympathy for a kid who led a hard life. Here, I guess they’re trying to imply (DEFINITELY not to say) that he was a bad seed or something.

45 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 7:49:40pm

re: #42 dholmes32

Well, Chuckles isn’t the first person to go there about Tamir Rice’s mother. Cleveland DOT com formerly known as The Plain Dealer newspaper, did a rundown of the mother’s rap sheet on November 24.

donotlink.com

The winners over at Cleveland DOT com followed up two days ago with the father’s rap sheet.

donotlink.com

As if any of this matters in the death of a child by an officer who pretty much drove up and unloaded into the boy.

They create the meme that black lives don’t matter. Its insidious.

Black lives do matter, no matter how the establishment tries.

46 Kragar  Nov 28, 2014 7:56:03pm

So according to wingnuts, it is now perfectly okay for law enforcement to gun down children with no questions asked if the parents have a criminal record?

These people are seriously fucked up in the head.

47 Romantic Heretic  Nov 28, 2014 8:01:51pm

re: #46 Kragar

It’s murder by proxy.

They can’t kill the people they hate themselves so they do it vicariously through the police.

48 Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2014 8:10:31pm

re: #40 Jenner7

What makes you sure the cops acted with ill-intent? Think about the situation:

Someone is going for what you’ve been told is (or may be, since we don’t have access to the dispatch recordings in this case yet) a gun, you tell him to stop but his hand keeps moving. You’ve maybe 3-4 seconds before that gun will be aiming at you. What would you do in that case?

49 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:11:15pm

re: #46 Kragar

re: #47 Romantic Heretic

Very simply, black lives don’t matter.

50 darthstar  Nov 28, 2014 8:12:04pm

I’ll bet Chucky’s “Asian wife” dumps his ass as soon as she reads his twitter feed.

51 gwangung  Nov 28, 2014 8:14:36pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

What makes you sure the cops acted with ill-intent? Think about the situation:

Someone is going for what you’ve been told is (or may be, since we don’t have access to the dispatch recordings in this case yet) a gun, you tell him to stop but his hand keeps moving. You’ve maybe 3-4 seconds before that gun will be aiming at you. What would you do in that case?

They came up WAY too far on the kid. They, themselves, left themselves no time to react or to assess the situation.

And the tactic of yelling at the kid to get compliance was almost guaranteed NOT to get them any sort of compliance—-and they gave the kid no time TO comply.

At best, they were criminally negligent. At worst, they acted with callous disregard to the situation.

52 Kragar  Nov 28, 2014 8:15:18pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

What makes you sure the cops acted with ill-intent? Think about the situation:

Someone is going for what you’ve been told is (or may be, since we don’t have access to the dispatch recordings in this case yet) a gun, you tell him to stop but his hand keeps moving. You’ve maybe 3-4 seconds before that gun will be aiming at you. What would you do in that case?

Time and again, violent armed white suspects are apprehended by law enforcement.

Time and again, black men are gunned down with little to no warning.

Do you see the fucking problem here?

53 jaunte  Nov 28, 2014 8:15:21pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

If they can’t distinguish between a 12 year old playing with a toy gun and a 20 year old with a real gun they have no business making a decision in 3-4 seconds.

54 klystron  Nov 28, 2014 8:15:39pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

What makes you sure the cops acted with ill-intent? Think about the situation:

Someone is going for what you’ve been told is (or may be, since we don’t have access to the dispatch recordings in this case yet) a gun, you tell him to stop but his hand keeps moving. You’ve maybe 3-4 seconds before that gun will be aiming at you. What would you do in that case?

Are we really providing justification for the shooting of a 12 year old now?

Really?

55 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:15:59pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

What makes you sure the cops acted with ill-intent? Think about the situation:

Someone is going for what you’ve been told is (or may be, since we don’t have access to the dispatch recordings in this case yet) a gun, you tell him to stop but his hand keeps moving. You’ve maybe 3-4 seconds before that gun will be aiming at you. What would you do in that case?

HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD,

56 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 28, 2014 8:17:46pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

What makes you sure the cops acted with ill-intent? Think about the situation:

Someone is going for what you’ve been told is (or may be, since we don’t have access to the dispatch recordings in this case yet) a gun, you tell him to stop but his hand keeps moving. You’ve maybe 3-4 seconds before that gun will be aiming at you. What would you do in that case?

DF, I know you try to mean well, but the simple reality is that the police are only there to “protect and serve” the 1%. One of those ways is keeping minorities too scared to rise up.

There was no cause for a shooting in this instance. None. I’ve taught police when things are really a threat or not - they were MP’s and their rules of engagement are even more liberal than any PD’s - and at the end of the day, they knew they’d end in prison for a shoot like that one. We hanged (appropriately) SS troops for doing less than many PD’s do daily.

The simple reality is this: had he been. white they’d have taken the toy from him, told him to behave and left. Asian? Probably the same but more harshly. Brown or Indian? Just as dead as black. That’s the real world. Gotta keep them from thinking that freedom means anything if you aren’t rich and white.

57 Kragar  Nov 28, 2014 8:18:40pm

The flip side of Police having only a few seconds to make the right call is they better make the right fucking call or be prepared to face the consequences for shooting a kid with a toy gun, not be given a pass.

58 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:20:41pm

There’s a huge group of people who favor the cops over all. Because they think the cops are on their side, fuck the minorities.

sick sick sick

59 Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2014 8:22:04pm

re: #57 Kragar

The flip side of Police having only a few seconds to make the right call is they better make the right fucking call or be prepared to face the consequences for shooting a kid with a toy gun, not be given a pass.

But could they have reasonably deduced it was not a real gun? As I recall, this incident went down at night, and it can be quite hard to determine such things in the dark when under severe stress.

60 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:24:41pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

But could they have reasonably deduced it was not a real gun? As I recall, this incident went down at night, and it can be quite hard to determine such things in the dark when under severe stress.

dude. stop.

When you defend the police killing a 12 year old (that no authority has had the balls to do yet)

Conservative fine. Defender of killers? nah

61 sagehen  Nov 28, 2014 8:24:52pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

But could they have reasonably deduced it was not a real gun? As I recall, this incident went down at night, and it can be quite hard to determine such things in the dark when under severe stress.

Did you even watch the tape? They pulled up and started shooting before they even got out of the car.

Until they start treating those Open Carry assholes the same way, their “reasonable deduction” is purely race-based.

62 gwangung  Nov 28, 2014 8:25:47pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

But could they have reasonably deduced it was not a real gun?

Yes.

And you do NOT recall correctly. You obviously haven’t seen the tape.

63 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:26:15pm

Most people respect life. No matter what life.

But, every fucking day we see the ones that don’t.

Many. Many hatefuls.

64 Kragar  Nov 28, 2014 8:26:42pm

Un-fucking-believable.

65 gwangung  Nov 28, 2014 8:26:58pm

re: #61 sagehen

Did you even watch the tape? The pulled up and started shooting before they even got out of the car.

They gave themselves little time to ascertain whether it was real because I think they already decided it was real.

66 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 28, 2014 8:27:13pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

But could they have reasonably deduced it was not a real gun? As I recall, this incident went down at night, and it can be quite hard to determine such things in the dark when under severe stress.

Then, at best, they were not trained appropriately. I can think of at least three separate ways of dealing with the situation - none of which requires a fire arm - in a matter of seconds.

They should be explaining themselves to a jury of 12. That they aren’t is the real racism here.

67 Kragar  Nov 28, 2014 8:27:21pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

But could they have reasonably deduced it was not a real gun? As I recall, this incident went down at night, and it can be quite hard to determine such things in the dark when under severe stress.

Maybe not jumping out of the cars guns ablazing would have been a good start?

68 Jenner7  Nov 28, 2014 8:27:56pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Well, for one, they can STOP LYING. They claimed they warned him. No sir. Not if you watched that video. They shot him less than 2 seconds after they stopped their car.

They also didn’t give him medical aid for a whole four minutes, per thinkprogress.org. That could have saved his life.

Lastly, they need to reform the whole police training enchilada. They should be trained in deescalation (if they are now, they SUCK at it), trained to handle mental health situations, and ultimately, stop training them ‘shoot to kill’.

69 klystron  Nov 28, 2014 8:28:17pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

But could they have reasonably deduced it was not a real gun? As I recall, this incident went down at night, and it can be quite hard to determine such things in the dark when under severe stress.

Here’s some advice: stop digging.

70 Jenner7  Nov 28, 2014 8:28:54pm

re: #51 gwangung

Very good points. You made your point better than I did. :)

71 Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2014 8:28:58pm

re: #62 gwangung

Yes.

And you do NOT recall correctly. You obviously haven’t seen the tape.

Frankly, I don’t want to. Even if the police were completely in the clear, the death of a 12-year old with a toy gun isn’t something I’m going to watch this close to my bedtime. I don’t need those sort of nightmares.

72 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 28, 2014 8:29:34pm

You will also note they shot up a playground. Think about how little they cared about any bystanders. But hey, it wasn’t a playground for white kids or in a wealthy neighborhood was it? There they’d have used a taser or other less lethal solution to keep their masters safe.

73 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 8:30:20pm

re: #72 William Barnett-Lewis

You will also note they shot up a playground. Think about how little they cared about any bystanders. But hey, it wasn’t a playground for white kids or in a wealthy neighborhood was it? There they’d have used a taser or other less lethal solution to keep their masters safe.

Couldn’t carry tasers, because those are uncomfortable.

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74 klystron  Nov 28, 2014 8:30:41pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don’t want to. Even if the police were completely in the clear, the death of a 12-year old with a toy gun isn’t something I’m going to watch this close to my bedtime. I don’t need those sort of nightmares.

You know who doesn’t need the nightmares? The parents of Tamir. The parents of every other black child who are terrified that this nightmare will become their reality.

75 jamesfirecat  Nov 28, 2014 8:31:08pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don’t want to. Even if the police were completely in the clear, the death of a 12-year old with a toy gun isn’t something I’m going to watch this close to my bedtime. I don’t need those sort of nightmares.

If it disturbs you that much… maybe that’s a clue that it’s something you should be worried, upset, and down right angry about about rather than trying to Policesplain it away…

76 gwangung  Nov 28, 2014 8:31:24pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don’t want to. Even if the police were completely in the clear, the death of a 12-year old with a toy gun isn’t something I’m going to watch this close to my bedtime. I don’t need those sort of nightmares.

Then.

SHUT.

YOUR.

MOUTH.

Do your homework before you engage it again.

You’re honest enough to admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about when called on it….most of your compatriots are not.

77 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 28, 2014 8:31:24pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don’t want to. Even if the police were completely in the clear, the death of a 12-year old with a toy gun isn’t something I’m going to watch this close to my bedtime. I don’t need those sort of nightmares.

DF, it’s those nightmares that keep people honest. You should try it sometime. Knowing what is being done in our societies name to the least of them is part and parcel of being on the side of the sheep in Matthew 25…

BBL.

78 Jenner7  Nov 28, 2014 8:33:02pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, if you didn’t watch it, why did you feel the need to comment on it?

79 Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2014 8:35:03pm

re: #77 William Barnett-Lewis

DF, it’s those nightmares that keep people honest. You should try it sometime. Knowing what is being done in our societies name to the least of them is part and parcel of being on the side of the sheep in Matthew 25…

BBL.

Except that I’m pretty sure I’m ending up as one of the goats in that chapter.

80 Romantic Heretic  Nov 28, 2014 8:35:40pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

If you haven’t the guts to stare evil in the face you have no right to comment on it.

81 jamesfirecat  Nov 28, 2014 8:35:49pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Except that I’m pretty sure I’m ending up as one of the goats in that chapter.

Your fatalism continues to astound, confuse, and enrage me DF.

If you aren’t happy with who you are… what’s stopping you from changing?

82 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:36:02pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don’t want to. Even if the police were completely in the clear, the death of a 12-year old with a toy gun isn’t something I’m going to watch this close to my bedtime. I don’t need those sort of nightmares.

Shut up dark. You supported the police without watching, You are a tool, Live the life you feel free to comment on.

Very very disappointing.

I give you a break, a hope, but this.,,,,,,you fuck

83 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 8:36:44pm

re: #78 Jenner7

Honestly, if you didn’t watch it, why did you feel the need to comment on it?

He gets everything he needs to know about the tragedy from National Review.

*spit*

Let the record reflect that I think Dark_Falcon’s comments tonight are callous, disgusting, completely lacking tact and are of a nastiness that is unworthy of serious consideration. Total fucking bullshit.

84 Kragar  Nov 28, 2014 8:39:00pm

You know what else gives people nightmares?

Wondering if their kid is going to get shot while playing with a toy just because of his skin color.

85 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 8:39:30pm

It’s generally a good idea, when one wishes to engage in an ongoing discussion, to either be familiar with the topic or at least willing to admit upfront that you’re not familiar with it. Jumping in without an idea what’s being discussed is usually not advised.

86 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:40:48pm

re: #83 teleskiguy

He gets everything he needs to know about the tragedy from National Review.

*spit*

Let the record reflect that I think Dark_Falcon’s comments tonight are callous, disgusting, completely lacking tact and are of a nastiness that is unworthy of serious consideration. Total fucking bullshit.

but he didn]t watch the child die, so his support is just blindly for the pooooooolice.

someone post a cat soon, because this is hell on earth.

87 BishopX  Nov 28, 2014 8:41:05pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

What makes you sure the cops acted with ill-intent? Think about the situation:

Someone is going for what you’ve been told is (or may be, since we don’t have access to the dispatch recordings in this case yet) a gun, you tell him to stop but his hand keeps moving. You’ve maybe 3-4 seconds before that gun will be aiming at you. What would you do in that case?

There was a great piece on the NPR a few weeks/months back that I wish I could find. There an interview with a police trainer, talking about tactical awareness as a way to reduce police police shootings.

The gist of it was, if you teach police to do something other than stand upright in front of the target with a drawn weapon, they’re a lot less likely to shoot. In all of the these recent killings (Brown, Rice, Crawford…etc) the police initiated contact. If they did so in a manner that made them feel immediately unsafe, then they screwed the pooch even before they pulled the trigger.

The common defense of these police shooters is that once the situation had reached the point where they had the option to shoot, they had a justification (however farcical it seems afterwards) to take the shot. The problem I have with this is they should never have been in that situation in the first place, and they decision to needlessly place themselves there is what makes them culpable in these murders.

If Wilson hadn’t immediately blocked Brown’s path, but followed him and kept him under observation until the backup that he had called for arrived, Brown would still be alive today. In the Race and Crawford cases, I think the new active shooter protocols being instituted around the country are to blame. The mindset of stopping the “bad guy” now, rather than pausing to assess the situation first and potentially allowing more victims to be shot be the “bad guy” is causing the police to kill a lot of people unnecessarily.

In any case, arguments about what the police should or should not have done once they guns came out don’t hold a lot of water with me. They’re the professionals. If they can’t keep themselves in a position to control the situation, they’re doing there jobs wrong.

88 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 8:41:40pm

Dark_Falcon’s been pretty sleazy in discussions in the past, but tonight takes the cake.

And he’s probably enjoying our reaction, the fucking troll.

89 Ace-o-aces  Nov 28, 2014 8:43:02pm
90 jamesfirecat  Nov 28, 2014 8:43:33pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

Dark_Falcon’s been pretty sleazy in discussions in the past, but tonight takes the cake.

And he’s probably enjoying our reaction, the fucking troll.

I don’t think DF’s a troll, he’s just operating on a different mental wavelength then most of the rest of us,

(See number 79)

That or I’m just too good a person to believe his moments of self destructive expression are anything but genuine.

91 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:44:17pm

re: #87 BishopX

There was a great piece on the NPR a few weeks/months back that I wish I could find. There an interview with a police trainer, talking about tactical awareness as a way to reduce police police shootings.

The gist of it was, if you teach police to do something other than stand upright in front of the target with a drawn weapon, they’re a lot less likely to shoot. In all of the these recent killings (Brown, Rice, Crawford…etc) the police initiated contact. If they did so in a manner that made them feel immediately unsafe, then they screwed the pooch even before they pulled the trigger.

The common defense of these police shooters is that once the situation had reached the point where they had the option to shoot, they had a justification (however farcical it seems afterwards) to take the shot. The problem I have with this is they should never have been in that situation in the first place, and they decision to needlessly place themselves there is what makes them culpable in these murders.

If Wilson hadn’t immediately blocked Browns path, but followed him and kept him under observation until the backup that he had called for arrived, Brown would still be alive today. In the Race and Crawford cases, I think the new active shooter protocols being instituted around the country are to blame. The mindset of stopping the “bad guy” now, rather than pausing to assess the situation first and potentially allowing more victims to be shot be the “bad guy” is causing the police to kill a lot of people unnecessarily.

In any case, arguments about what the police should or should not have done once they guns came out don’t hold a lot of water with me. They’re the professionals. If they can’t keep themselves in a position to control the situation, they’re doing there jobs wrong.

Hot headed, probably steroided Officer Wilson changed life.

92 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 28, 2014 8:45:41pm

IT looks to me as though the cops arrived on the scene with their minds made up about the nature of the suspect and they acted on them rather than assessing the situation and acting accordingly. The Cleveland PD, as well as the officers involved has much to answer for. I mention the department because the rookie officer who shot Tamir Rice was clearly insufficiently trained before being put n the street.

93 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 8:46:00pm

re: #89 Ace-o-aces

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White guys pointed real guns at federal agents and, to this day, not a single one has been charged with the felony involved. But a kid with a toy gets gunned down within seconds of cops rolling up on him.

Only reinforces my belief that, had Bundy and his band of misfits been any color other than white, we’d have never heard about it until after those who weren’t shot dead by snipers were hauled off for numerous felonies.

94 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 28, 2014 8:47:14pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Except that I’m pretty sure I’m ending up as one of the goats in that chapter.

That’s what free will is all about, DF. You can choose to repent.

95 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 8:47:27pm
96 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:47:59pm

re: #92 Higgs Boson’s Mate

IT looks to me as though the cops arrived on the scene with their minds made up about the nature of the suspect and they acted on them rather than assessing the situation and acting accordingly. The Cleveland PD, as well as the officers involved has much to answer for. I mention the department because the rookie officer who shot Tamir Rice was clearly insufficiently trained before being put n the street.

Rookie, was he a 1 year on? When does rookie end?

97 BishopX  Nov 28, 2014 8:48:16pm

re: #91 #FergusonFireside

Yup. That’s what’s really pissing me off about the media’s analysis of the GJ, everyone talking about the shooting, no ones talking about the stop. Anytime someone gets into a physical fight with a police officer, nothing good comes of it. /the question is what did Wilson do to initiate the stop, and how do those actions impact his responsibility for the outcome.

98 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 8:49:26pm

re: #96 #FergusonFireside

Rookie, was he a 1 year on? When does rookie end?

When he makes his first kill.

/

99 BishopX  Nov 28, 2014 8:49:41pm

re: #96 #FergusonFireside

The NYPD cop who shot Akai Gurley was on the force 18 months or so and was described as a “rookie”…

100 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:51:00pm

re: #97 BishopX

Yup. That’s what’s really pissing me off about the media’s analysis of the GJ, everyone talking about the shooting, no ones talking about the stop. Anytime someone gets into a physical fight with a police officer, nothing good comes of it. /the question is what did Wilson do to initiate the stop, and how do those actions impact his responsibility for the outcome.

Yes….he was a hot head asshole with a gun. He was and is unfit. Unfortunately, now he gets paid for that.

and Mike Brown’s death.

101 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 8:52:24pm

re: #97 BishopX

Yup. That’s what’s really pissing me off about the media’s analysis of the GJ, everyone talking about the shooting, no ones talking about the stop. Anytime someone gets into a physical fight with a police officer, nothing good comes of it. /the question is what did Wilson do to initiate the stop, and how do those actions impact his responsibility for the outcome.

It seems to be accepted that cops can’t be held responsible for their actions anymore. No matter how belligerent Wilson was, no matter if he did actually initiate the physical altercation, or if he firing shots at Brown as he ran. The assumption seems to be that the moment Brown didn’t submit to Wilson’s authority, he presented a “danger” and thus Wilson shooting him was entirely his fault.

102 Ace-o-aces  Nov 28, 2014 8:53:00pm
103 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:53:54pm

re: #99 BishopX

The NYPD cop who shot Akai Gurley was on the force 18 months or so and was described as a “rookie”…

The thickest blue line.

It’s changing tho, i’m holding back from black fisting them, because I don’t want to be pulled over an harassed.

Think about this.

104 Jenner7  Nov 28, 2014 8:55:11pm

Cops are at it again…

105 danarchy  Nov 28, 2014 8:56:07pm

re: #103 #FergusonFireside

The thickest blue line.

It’s changing tho, i’m holding back from black fisting them, because I don’t want to be pulled over an harassed.

Think about this.

FYI, never google black fisting…just don’t

106 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 8:56:09pm

I don’t understand how Dark_Falcon can come here and engage his fellow Lizards (he’s polite to a point, and he’s wrong more than he’s right) and still have tunnel vision when it comes to your classic conservative tropes: guns, police, federal power, to name but a few. He’s incapable of changing his mind on a lot of issues, even when faced with overwhelming evidence that he’s wrong.

Just walking the walk of his favorite publication’s motto: “Standing athwart history, yelling STOP!”

Dark, I love you buddy, but tonight you crossed a line. Politely get bent. Have a nice night.

107 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 28, 2014 8:57:30pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Except that I’m pretty sure I’m ending up as one of the goats in that chapter.

Alas, istr that you are Roman Catholic? You should bring this up with your priest. During confession if nothing else. You can be a better person if you try to.

108 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 8:58:12pm
109 #FergusonFireside  Nov 28, 2014 8:59:48pm

re: #105 danarhy

FYI, never google black fisting…just don’t

You fool. I’m just talking about making the black power fist.

Enjoy whatever you learned.

110 Jenner7  Nov 28, 2014 9:01:43pm

Sweet jeebus, look at how many there are….

111 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 9:02:21pm

re: #105 danarchy

FYI, never google black fisting…just don’t

Oh dude! I’ll bet you found all kinds of family-friendly content, a lot like googling “Santorum.”

112 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 9:06:12pm
113 Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2014 9:06:57pm

re: #109 #FergusonFireside

You fool. I’m just talking about making the black power fist.

Enjoy whatever you learned.

Take my word for it: There’s nothing to learn with THAT Google search, and nothing political. What comes up is links to seriously freaky porn, judging from the descriptions (because I sure as Hell ain’t clickin’ on those links.

But where are my manners… You asked for a cat. Would two cats be better?

114 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 9:09:21pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

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Could you imagine trying to make a movie as deep and thought-provoking today? You’d be laughed out the door the moment you tried to describe the opening scene. “So it’s a bunch of apes all around this black monolith?”

115 BeachDem  Nov 28, 2014 9:10:53pm

To me, he looked like a lonely little boy trying to keep himself occupied on a gloomy day. I don’t even get why anyone called the cops to begin with. Just so damn sad. And Cleveland dot com should rot in hell for leading their stories with the parents’ records. That was total slime.

116 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 9:15:44pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

Could you imagine trying to make a movie as deep and thought-provoking today? You’d be laughed out the door the moment you tried to describe the opening scene. “So it’s a bunch of apes all around this black monolith?”

So true. Reminds me of what Trey Parker told 60 Minutes.

Video

117 Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2014 9:17:06pm

re: #115 BeachDem

To me, he looked like a lonely little boy trying to keep himself occupied on a gloomy day. I don’t even get why anyone called the cops to begin with. Just so damn sad. And Cleveland dot com should rot in hell for leading their stories with the parents’ records. That was total slime.

Somebody called the cops because they thought the gun might have been real and one can at least forgive a civilian for considering the possibility. Race might also have been a factor, but we can’t be sure since we don’t know the race of the caller. But if someone is waving a gun that even might be real, a very good case can be made that calling the police is that right decision.

118 Jenner7  Nov 28, 2014 9:17:14pm

re: #115 BeachDem

That’s what is so heartbreaking. This little boy is just playing. Pointing his toy gun, making snowballs, sitting at the picnic tables looking bored. TYPICAL 12 year old. Damn it, it makes me sick to even think about it. Fuck.

119 Pip's Squeak  Nov 28, 2014 9:18:47pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don’t want to. Even if the police were completely in the clear, the death of a 12-year old with a toy gun isn’t something I’m going to watch this close to my bedtime. I don’t need those sort of nightmares.

You know, there are things — German Death Camps, Hiroshima etc. — that are ones duty to watch, regardless of ‘nightmares’. Your attitude comes across as repulsive.

120 Jenner7  Nov 28, 2014 9:19:13pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

Then you go to the house where the 911 call came from. Then you observe the person. You don’t go bolting in with a car and shoot seconds later with NO WARNING.

There were SO MANY OTHER OPTIONS.

121 Sherlock Hound  Nov 28, 2014 9:19:36pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

DF reminds me a lot of a Jim Wright post on Stonekettle. He wrote a piece when Gabby Giffords was shot. He brought up that poor nine-year-old girl, that child who was killed, and only had one thing to say over the rest of his essay:

“DON’T YOU DARE LOOK AWAY!”

DF, that’s how I feel as well.

I’m a Redditor, and the subreddit I read daily is GunsAreCool. It’s depressing reading. When I read the stories therein, I get numb.

I think of all those tropes I heard in the nineties, like, “the blacks’ only culture is to kill each other!’ and I realize that it’s now our culture.

If black lives are cheap, then all our lives are cheap. The cop panics and shoots you, but you know, that’s the price of freedom and our greàt country. ///

122 Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2014 9:20:26pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

To clarify the preceding a bit, a civilian does not have the same training as a cop and cannot be expected to get closer and find out if a gun is real or fake. Their job is simply to report the situation honestly to police and then let the pros handle it.

123 dholmes32  Nov 28, 2014 9:22:07pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

To clarify the preceding a bit, a civilian does not have the same training as a cop and cannot be expected to get closer and find out if a gun is real or fake. Their job is simply to report the situation honestly to police and then let the pros handle it.

That’s not what happened to Tamir Rice in Cleveland. Go watch the video.

124 Belafon  Nov 28, 2014 9:22:44pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don’t want to. Even if the police were completely in the clear, the death of a 12-year old with a toy gun isn’t something I’m going to watch this close to my bedtime. I don’t need those sort of nightmares.

The very fact that you refuse to watch the death of the twelve year old should point out that the cop wasn’t in the clear. It doesn’t matter in this case if the law clears him; the fact that your conscience could not handle his action ought to tell you that something should change.

The fact that your reaction is to reject your reaction than want to force a change should tell you something about yourself.

125 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 28, 2014 9:22:52pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

To clarify the preceding a bit, a civilian does not have the same training as a cop and cannot be expected to get closer and find out if a gun is real or fake. Their job is simply to report the situation honestly to police and then let the pros handle it.

Objection - “pros” presumes facts not in evidence…

126 Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2014 9:22:55pm

re: #120 Jenner7

Then you go to the house where the 911 call came from. Then you observe the person. You don’t go bolting in with a car and shoot seconds later with NO WARNING.

There were SO MANY OTHER OPTIONS.

Read my next comment. My post was only about why someone would have called the police, not about why the police acted as they did.

I’ll watch the footage tomorrow, and then address that part of the situation again in light of what I see.

Fair enough?

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 28, 2014 9:24:18pm

I’ll hold you to that, DF.

128 Sherlock Hound  Nov 28, 2014 9:25:28pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

We are talking about the cops. A man with a gun without training—or legitimacy—is a thug. A true thug. One that just wears a badge.

How you and the Republicans can square this with the 2nd Amendment, I won’t guess.

129 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 9:26:31pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

I’ll watch the footage tomorrow, and then address that part of the situation again in light of what I see.

Fair enough?

A step in the right direction. You’ve been doing this again.

130 Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2014 9:26:57pm

re: #125 William Barnett-Lewis

Objection - “pros” presumes facts not in evidence…

Police officers are supposed to be professionals when it comes to dealing with situations that might be dangerous. That’s part why we pay them, after all.

And the caller DID say the gun might well be a fake, so that’s a sign he was trying to honestly inform and not be inflammatory.

131 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 9:32:01pm
132 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 9:32:33pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Police officers are supposed to be professionals when it comes to dealing with situations that might be dangerous. That’s part why we pay them, after all.

And the caller DID say the gun might well be a fake, so that’s a sign he was trying to honestly inform and not be inflammatory.

The keywords being “supposed to.”

133 BeachDem  Nov 28, 2014 9:34:00pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

To clarify the preceding a bit, a civilian does not have the same training as a cop and cannot be expected to get closer and find out if a gun is real or fake. Their job is simply to report the situation honestly to police and then let the pros handle it.

Or maybe to recognize typical 12 year old behavior and mind their own damn business. So similar to the not a marine’s bullshit story at the Beaver creek Walmart. Still the hothead cops being assholes, but people could use some damn common sense as well. There really aren’t monsters under every fucking bed.

134 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 9:34:23pm
135 OhNoZombies!  Nov 28, 2014 9:38:38pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

What makes you sure the cops acted with ill-intent? Think about the situation:

Someone is going for what you’ve been told is (or may be, since we don’t have access to the dispatch recordings in this case yet) a gun, you tell him to stop but his hand keeps moving. You’ve maybe 3-4 seconds before that gun will be aiming at you. What would you do in that case?

You’re about to go on my scroll past list, writing some bullshit like this.

136 Dark_Falcon  Nov 28, 2014 9:39:18pm

It’s time for me to head to bed. BBT

137 PeterWolf  Nov 28, 2014 9:41:17pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

It’s time for me to head to bed. BBT

Don’t rush.

138 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 9:42:27pm

The fix was in from the beginning.

139 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 9:46:00pm

re: #138 teleskiguy

The fix was in from the beginning.

The DA subverted the entire concept of a grand jury, overturning several centuries of common law and legal precedent.

140 OhNoZombies!  Nov 28, 2014 9:46:39pm

I can’t even believe…
No words.

141 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 9:48:04pm

re: #138 teleskiguy

The fix was in from the beginning.

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Between this and the PBS breakdown of the testimony, it’s pretty obvious there was enough there to warrant a trial. But McCulloch also knew if he put this on trial, he’d have to actually grill those investigators and possibly have to cross-examine Wilson on stand, which would mean putting himself on the side against the police. So he ran the grand jury as a kangaroo court, with all the evidence presented sans challenge, the jury given conflicting instructions on whether to charge or not, and emphasis put on the contradictions in testimony rather than the agreement that something very wrong had gone on that afternoon.

142 Belafon  Nov 28, 2014 9:49:09pm

A comment on the actual post: The entire purpose of showing stuff about Rice’s family is to make white people feel justified in not being bothered by his death. “You just know that he would turn out to be a killer. Just look at his parents.” Which is really just a euphemism for skin color.

143 TedStriker  Nov 28, 2014 9:51:14pm

re: #142 Belafon

A comment on the actual post: The entire purpose of showing stuff about Rice’s family is to make white people feel justified in not being bothered by his death. “You just know that he would turn out to be a killer. Just look at his parents.” Which is really just a euphemism for skin color.

Bingo.

144 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 9:53:40pm

re: #142 Belafon

A comment on the actual post: The entire purpose of showing stuff about Rice’s family is to make white people feel justified in not being bothered by his death. “You just know that he would turn out to be a killer. Just look at his parents.” Which is really just a euphemism for skin color.

It’s a bad combination of racism, social darwinism and predestination.

CCJ is scum. He makes yellow journalism look noble by comparison.

145 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 9:57:06pm

OT and on a lighter note, the BBC is reporting on a Tunisian-based NGO which is trying to preserve Annakin Skywalker’s boyhood home for posterity.

savemosespa.org

146 klystron  Nov 28, 2014 9:58:32pm

re: #133 BeachDem

Or maybe to recognize typical 12 year old behavior and mind their own damn business. So similar to the not a marine’s bullshit story at the Beaver creek Walmart. Still the hothead cops being assholes, but people could use some damn common sense as well. There really aren’t monsters under every fucking bed.

Sometimes I think Dark believes there are, which is why he considers these scenarios totally plausible and sees nothing wrong about attempting to justify why the police shot a 12 year old within seconds of arriving on the scene, while totally ignoring larger patterns at work like the part where white cop killers can be arrested without incident while unarmed young black men have a substantially higher likelihood to come out dead in the initial encounter with police.

Leaving aside the part where he refuses to acknowledge the very real consequences of electing Republican officials and instead favors the rah rah go team approach without any critical thinking.

Yeah, I can’t imagine why Lizards are getting fed up with it…

147 OhNoZombies!  Nov 28, 2014 10:00:00pm

CCJ isn’t a journalist, he’s a provocateur.
He’s a scumbag with a Twitter account.

148 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 10:02:29pm

re: #146 klystron

149 Kragar  Nov 28, 2014 10:04:13pm

Based on the parent’s criminal records, wingnuts would have to argue the following celebrities would deserve to have been shot if they had been holding a pellet gun.

Demi Moore

Dylan McDermott

Woody Harrelson

Tobey Maguire

Hayden Panettiere

Drew Barrymore

150 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 10:08:26pm

re: #149 Kragar

Based on the parent’s criminal records, wingnuts would have to argue the following celebrities would deserve to have been shot if they had been holding a pellet gun.

Demi Moore

Dylan McDermott

Woody Harrelson

Tobey Maguire

Hayden Panettiere

Drew Barrymore

No, they get a pass, because they’re all white people.

151 palomino  Nov 28, 2014 10:09:12pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

But could they have reasonably deduced it was not a real gun? As I recall, this incident went down at night, and it can be quite hard to determine such things in the dark when under severe stress.

No offense, but you seem incapable of discussing race with anything resembling sensitivity, objectivity or awareness of the complexities involved.

Maybe you should just stick to the minutiae of guns and centuries old battles, both of which you’re much better educated about. And apparently much more sympathetic to.

152 palomino  Nov 28, 2014 10:11:46pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Frankly, I don’t want to. Even if the police were completely in the clear, the death of a 12-year old with a toy gun isn’t something I’m going to watch this close to my bedtime. I don’t need those sort of nightmares.

Then why the fuck comment on it in such a manner? You defend the cop but can’t watch the video because you’re squeamish. Don’t be such a total chickenshit.

153 Kragar  Nov 28, 2014 10:14:43pm

Rule of thumb: If you find yourself coming up with justifications not to be outraged by cops shooting and killing a 12 year old, just fucking shut the fuck up.

154 Kragar  Nov 28, 2014 10:20:50pm

The appropriate response to hearing a kid was killed by police is “How do we make sure this doesn’t happen again?”, not “Don’t be so hard on the cops.”

Anyone who thinks differently needs their fucking head examined.

155 gwangung  Nov 28, 2014 10:24:10pm

re: #154 Kragar

The appropriate response to hearing a kid was killed by police is “How do we make sure this doesn’t happen again?”, not “Don’t be so hard on the cops.”

Anyone who thinks differently needs their fucking head examined.

And the appropriate response is to have a lot of focus on what THE POLICE do, not the kid.

156 palomino  Nov 28, 2014 10:25:07pm

re: #154 Kragar

The appropriate response to hearing a kid was killed by police is “How do we make sure this doesn’t happen again?”, not “Don’t be so hard on the cops.”

Anyone who thinks differently needs they fucking head examined.

It’s a bizarre combo of deifying cops (which is completely irrational since they’re all human and many not even very well trained)….AND a lack of empathy for the “other” (here, a poor black kid from a “bad” family).

157 BeachDem  Nov 28, 2014 10:25:27pm

re: #154 Kragar

The appropriate response to hearing a kid was killed by police is “How do we make sure this doesn’t happen again?”, not “Don’t be so hard on the cops.”

Anyone who thinks differently needs they fucking head examined.

And those whose first thought is to villify the parents of the child should have their chest cavities examined to see why they lack hearts.

158 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 28, 2014 10:26:18pm

re: #155 gwangung

And the appropriate response is to have a lot of focus on what THE POLICE do, not the kid.

Right. There are too many people trying to fault with the kid. In other situations involving adults and children, like sexual abuse, the children are always presumed innocent and the adults culpable.

159 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 10:33:20pm

re: #153 Kragar

Rule of thumb: If you find yourself coming up with justifications not to be outraged by cops shooting and killing a 12 year old, just fucking shut the fuck up.

Yeah, when you’re arguing that a cop had “no choice” but to shoot a kid, then you need to shut up.

160 OhNoZombies!  Nov 28, 2014 10:36:12pm

If a cop can’t even discern the difference between a 12 year old and a twenty year old, then he’s chosen the wrong career.

161 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Nov 28, 2014 10:37:12pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Between this and the PBS breakdown of the testimony, it’s pretty obvious there was enough there to warrant a trial. But McCulloch also knew if he put this on trial, he’d have to actually grill those investigators and possibly have to cross-examine Wilson on stand, which would mean putting himself on the side against the police. So he ran the grand jury as a kangaroo court, with all the evidence presented sans challenge, the jury given conflicting instructions on whether to charge or not, and emphasis put on the contradictions in testimony rather than the agreement that something very wrong had gone on that afternoon.

I understand why McCulloch acted as he did (though of course I don’t condone it). What I don’t get is why Jay Nixon didn’t appoint an independent special prosecutor. He must have known that McCulloch couldn’t approach the case objectively, or at the very least that there was an obvious conflict of interest that would taint the case if McCulloch remained as prosecutor. So what was his motivation for not doing what would obviously have been the right thing?

162 [deleted]  Nov 28, 2014 10:41:00pm
163 Kragar  Nov 28, 2014 10:43:08pm

re: #161 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

It might have something to do with Nixon proving to be a spineless weasel at every opportunity.

164 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 10:44:14pm

re: #161 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I understand why McCulloch acted as he did (though of course I don’t condone it). What I don’t get is why Jay Nixon didn’t appoint an independent special prosecutor. He must have known that McCulloch couldn’t approach the case objectively, or at the very least that there was an obvious conflict of interest that would taint the case if McCulloch remained as prosecutor. So what was his motivation for not doing what would obviously have been the right thing?

As I understand it, it’s not that he didn’t, it’s that he couldn’t. Under MO law, unless there is a real (as opposed to perceived) conflict of interest or the DA asks to be removed from the case and a special prosecutor assigned, then the governor can’t do anything. And since McCulloch refused to step aside, Nixon’s hands were tied.

165 teleskiguy  Nov 28, 2014 10:44:35pm
166 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 10:57:15pm

So the new Star Wars teaser came out…and I can already see in it that the best thing Disney did for the franchise was to buy it away from George.

167 OhNoZombies!  Nov 28, 2014 11:21:08pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

So the new Star Wars teaser came out…and I can already see in it that the best thing Disney did for the franchise was to buy it away from George.

And that was just from a glimpse!
Someone told me that George had made some prequels, and attempted to make a 3d version of one of those prequels, but I don’t remember.
The mind has a way of protecting itself from trauma.
Lol.

168 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 11:24:46pm

re: #167 OhNoZombies!

And that was just from a glimpse!
Someone told me that George had made some prequels, and attempted to make a 3d version of one of those prequels, but I don’t remember.
The mind has a way of protecting itself from trauma.
Lol.

I’m willing to at least acknowledge the second and third prequel films. Mostly because you can ignore the first and miss absolutely nothing besides the odd call-back to the first film that contribute nothing to the overall plot. Times I think George made the first one simply because he needed something to round out the trilogy.

169 OhNoZombies!  Nov 28, 2014 11:31:44pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

I’m willing to at least acknowledge the second and third prequel films. Mostly because you can ignore the first and miss absolutely nothing besides the odd call-back to the first film that contribute nothing to the overall plot. Times I think George made the first one simply because he needed something to round out the trilogy.

Honestly, I probably watched the films too many times, because at a certain point, I couldn’t get past the wooden dialog etc.
The animated series was much better, imo.

170 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 11:33:29pm

re: #169 OhNoZombies!

Honestly, I probably watched the films too many times, because at a certain point, I couldn’t get past the wooden dialog etc.
The animated series was much better, imo.

Agreed, which is what makes it so disappointing that, rather than do a film devoted to the Clone Wars that might have allowed us to see much of the good stuff on the big screen, we instead got a movie that most people only admit to watching under pain of torture.

171 OhNoZombies!  Nov 28, 2014 11:36:53pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Agreed, which is what makes it so disappointing that, rather than do a film devoted to the Clone Wars that might have allowed us to see much of the good stuff on the big screen, we instead got a movie that most people only admit to watching under pain of torture.

Yep.
Glad he finally let someone else have a crack at it.

172 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 11:41:57pm

re: #171 OhNoZombies!

Yep.
Glad he finally let someone else have a crack at it.

Indeed, though part of me feels sympathy for fans who’ve stuck with the franchise for years who just got told that the Expanded Universe, all the novels and books they’d grown up with in the drought between films, have now been rendered non-canon. Reminds me too much of how Paramount and Roddenberry pulled the same shit when production began on ST: The Next Generation.

173 OhNoZombies!  Nov 28, 2014 11:49:05pm

re: #172 Targetpractice

Indeed, though part of me feels sympathy for fans who’ve stuck with the franchise for years who just got told that the Expanded Universe, all the novels and books they’d grown up with in the drought between films, have now been rendered non-canon. Reminds me too much of how Paramount and Roddenberry pulled the same shit when production began on ST: The Next Generation.

IKR, but like all religion, it needs to be updated to make it relevant.
If it’s good, they’ll adapt.

174 Targetpractice  Nov 28, 2014 11:51:15pm

re: #173 OhNoZombies!

IKR, but like all religion, it needs to be updated to make it relevant.
If it’s good, they’ll adapt.

I’m willing to be optimistic, mostly because I like what J.J. did with Trek, even if in hindsight I’ve come to dislike Into Darkness. So I’m willing to see where he takes the franchise. What’s the worst that will happen? It becomes a mindless popcorn movie? It will still be an improvement over the prequels.

175 OhNoZombies!  Nov 28, 2014 11:59:59pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

I’m willing to be optimistic, mostly because I like what J.J. did with Trek, even if in hindsight I’ve come to dislike Into Darkness. So I’m willing to see where he takes the franchise. What’s the worst that will happen? It becomes a mindless popcorn movie? It will still be an improvement over the prequels.

The only problem with Into Darkness, to me, was Kahn. It wasn’t so much the story, it’s just that there will never be another Ricardo Montelban.
I do agree that it will be an improvement.

176 Targetpractice  Nov 29, 2014 12:01:33am

re: #175 OhNoZombies!

The only problem with Into Darkness, to me, was Kahn. It wasn’t so much the story, it’s just that there will never be another Ricardo Montelban.
I do agree that it will be an improvement.

Yeah, I think much like Nero in the first film, they barely characterized him and that hurt the film. Combine that with the poor casting choice, and it just sort of falls apart. There were good moments in the film, but overall it just doesn’t hold up under repeat viewings.

177 OhNoZombies!  Nov 29, 2014 12:07:15am

re: #176 Targetpractice

Yeah, I think much like Nero in the first film, they barely characterized him and that hurt the film. Combine that with the poor casting choice, and it just sort of falls apart. There were good moments in the film, but overall it just doesn’t hold up under repeat viewings.

Cumberbatch is such a good actor, and still I couldn’t see him as Kahn.
That probably explains why I only watched it once…duty done.

178 freetoken  Nov 29, 2014 12:10:44am

MP3 Audio

179 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 12:33:12am

re: #177 OhNoZombies!

Cumberbatch is such a good actor, and still I couldn’t see him as Kahn.
That probably explains why I only watched it once…duty done.

The trick is to try and forget the characterizations from TOS and the associated films. Why the film makers decided to preserve the characterizations of the Enterprise crew and not Khan’s, though, is a mystery for the ages. Surely someone like Antonio Banderas could have done a respectable channeling of Montalbán.

180 Shiplord Kirel  Nov 29, 2014 1:42:14am

Chopper Pilot: Learning To Fly A Helicopter - Vietnam era Army produced documentary about helicopter pilot training. Filmed at Fort Wolters TX and Fort Rucker Al.
Youtube Video

The Big Picture was the US Army’s PR tv series from the 50s into the early 70s. It ran as a regular series on ABC from 1961-64. Production values were high, with narrators including Alexander Scourby, Walter Cronkite, Raymond Massey, and Ronald Reagan. Cronkite, who always had good rapport with the military, reportedly enjoyed doing the show and provided his services almost pro bono, but left in 1967 because of his increasing disillusionment with the Vietnam War.

181 Shiplord Kirel  Nov 29, 2014 2:00:49am

Cronkite in Vietnam, 1968:
This was more than 25 years after his first exposure to combat.

182 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 2:02:21am

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

What makes you sure the cops acted with ill-intent? Think about the situation:

Someone is going for what you’ve been told is (or may be, since we don’t have access to the dispatch recordings in this case yet) a gun, you tell him to stop but his hand keeps moving. You’ve maybe 3-4 seconds before that gun will be aiming at you. What would you do in that case?

OK, simple scenario: hide behind the car and shout to the kid to drop whatever he is holding. That way you are guaranteed not to be hit and also give him the necessary time.

Come on. It’s not the dreaded rocket surgery. ;)

183 darthstar  Nov 29, 2014 2:10:47am

re: #165 teleskiguy

IT’S A VON TRAPP!

184 darthstar  Nov 29, 2014 2:15:19am

re: #182 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

OK, simple scenario: hide behind the car and shout to the kid to drop whatever he is holding. That way you are guaranteed not to be hit and also give him the necessary time.

Come on. It’s not the dreaded rocket surgery. ;)

I’m really glad I wasn’t here for most of this thread. I’d be writing DF’s parents.

185 darthstar  Nov 29, 2014 2:24:15am

They opened a new store for these guys next to my office. Iron & Resin it’s called. Plaid shirts (around $145) pocket knives, leather covered journals…I walked in and said, “Oh my god, you’ve gone hipster!”

186 darthstar  Nov 29, 2014 2:27:13am
187 darthstar  Nov 29, 2014 2:28:45am
188 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 2:33:07am

re: #187 darthstar

I’m on my way to become … tired of “iconic pictures”.

189 darthstar  Nov 29, 2014 2:35:34am

re: #188 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

It’s a good picture - without the caption. It’s iconic because I say it is…yeah, thanks for making it so.

190 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 2:36:22am

re: #188 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I’m on my way to become … tired of “iconic pictures”.

Seriously. How many iconic pictures can there be? Too many of them diminish the meaning of the word “iconic.”

191 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 2:38:32am

It’s an ironic picture, alright. In a non-fun way, of course.

192 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 2:39:56am

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Seriously. How many iconic pictures can there be? Too many of them diminish the meaning of the word “iconic.”

Unless you’re opening a big new Orthodox church.

193 darthstar  Nov 29, 2014 2:47:02am

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Seriously. How many iconic pictures can there be? Too many of them diminish the meaning of the word “iconic.”

Have you noticed your handle lately? It’s becoming quite iconic itself. Just need to work in Keystone, ISIS, and a plug for erectile dysfunction meds and you’ll have the perfect nickname.

194 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 2:51:03am

re: #193 darthstar

Have you noticed your handle lately? It’s becoming quite iconic itself. Just need to work in Keystone, ISIS, and a plug for erectile dysfunction meds and you’ll have the perfect nickname.

I’m trying to limit myself to major right-wing meltdown obsessions. Now that Ebola and Net Neutrality seem to faded from their memories, I probably need to change it.

195 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 2:52:10am

re: #193 darthstar

Have you noticed your handle lately? It’s becoming quite iconic itself. Just need to work in Keystone, ISIS, and a plug for erectile dysfunction meds and you’ll have the perfect nickname.

key-wheat-limestonisis-viabola-traliconicity

196 darthstar  Nov 29, 2014 2:57:44am

re: #195 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

key-wheat-limestonisis-viabola-traliconicity

Viabola - now there’s a disease…sure, you bleed to death, but your cock is HUGE while it happens!

197 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 3:01:18am

re: #196 darthstar

Viabola - now there’s a disease…sure, you bleed to death, but your cock is HUGE while it happens!

Pssst. Don’t tell the Japanese.

198 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 3:05:01am

re: #195 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

key-wheat-limestonisis-viabola-traliconicity

Traliconicity has a nice ring to it.

And Viabola sounds a town in Italy, or a Roman ruin.

First part makes me think of Key Lime Pie.

199 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 3:11:18am

re: #198 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

First part makes me think of Key Lime Pie.

That’s what I was aiming for :)

200 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 3:12:23am

re: #199 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

That’s what I was aiming for :)

Have you no mercy? The nearest Key Lime pie is thousands of miles from here!

201 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 3:14:58am

re: #200 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Have you no mercy? The nearest Key Lime pie is thousands of miles from here!

At least you’ve tasted it ;)

202 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 3:17:20am

re: #201 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

At least you’ve tasted it ;)

Yes, truly I have been blessed.

203 darthstar  Nov 29, 2014 3:47:46am
204 darthstar  Nov 29, 2014 3:48:45am

re: #203 darthstar

That fish is lost.

205 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 3:49:29am

re: #204 darthstar

That fish is lost.

That fish’s kids will inherit the Earth.

206 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 4:02:25am

A Fish Called Darwin.

207 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 5:20:12am

Want to see something scary?

Beware. Make sure small children and pets are not nearby. Probably NSFW, lest people also be scared.

Click to Reveal

Chuckle’s WordPress site

208 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 5:39:25am

re: #207 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Want to see something scary?

Beware. Make sure small children and pets are not nearby. Probably NSFW, lest people also be scared.

[Embedded content]

Did he really have to put his ugliest photo right on the frontpage?

209 Dr. Matt  Nov 29, 2014 5:40:49am

Where is the librul media’s “outrage”? Coburn sends out a message and days later an ammosexual unloads a 100 rounds into government buildings including the Mexican consulate.

210 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 5:40:51am

re: #207 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Also:

Not Found

The requested URL /research/ was not found on this server.

Apache Server at charlescjohnson. com Port 80

211 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 5:44:01am

re: #210 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Also:

Clearly, he does none.

212 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 5:49:20am

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Clearly, he does none.

Yet he has a fat empty link to “research” right below his ugly mug.

213 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 5:50:41am

re: #212 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Yet he has a fat empty link to “research” right below his ugly mug.

It’s either a brand new site, or one he started and never finished.

214 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 5:53:01am

re: #213 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It’s either a brand new site, or one he started and never finished.

That’s very Chuck.

215 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 5:56:30am

The funny thing about that smurf photo:

1. You can see that it’s a selfie that he is taking because his phone is being reflected in his black glasses.

2. You can see his eyes through the glasses being concentrated on his phone, not looking “at the visitor”, as is implied.

What a pitiful clown.

216 wrenchwench  Nov 29, 2014 5:58:48am

littlegreenfootballs.com

I posted that to YouTube because it wasn’t there before; today someone posted ‘RIP’ on it, so I went looking and found this. RIP, I was looking forward to seeing you again.

217 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 6:02:31am

re: #215 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

The funny thing about that smurf photo:

1. You can see that it’s a selfie that he is taking because his phone is being reflected in his black glasses.

2. You can see his eyes through the glasses being concentrated on his phone, not looking “at the visitor”, as is implied.

What a pitiful clown.

I missed those details. The photo of him leaning against the building under the L.A. Gun Club sign, though, is not a selfie.

218 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 6:04:11am

re: #217 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

On second thought, maybe the first one is not a selfie, given the angles involved. Whatever, he still looks ridiculous.

219 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 6:05:06am

Watching The Stepfather (1985).

220 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 6:06:12am

re: #218 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

On second thought, maybe the first one is not a selfie, given the angles involved. Whatever, he still looks ridiculous.

Yeah. My first thought was he’s clearly more interested in his image dominating the website, rather than anything he has written. It’s a peek into his personality.

221 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 6:07:59am

re: #220 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Yeah. My first thought was he’s clearly more interested in his image dominating the website, rather than anything he has written. It’s a peek into his personality.

But worst of all is the self-praise. “Champion of Truth”? I mean, even if he were one, how self-absorbed must one be to write this about oneself?

222 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 6:22:12am

…

223 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 6:23:11am

…

224 Iwouldprefernotto  Nov 29, 2014 6:27:47am

re: #221 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

But worst of all is the self-praise. “Champion of Truth”? I mean, even if he were one, how self-absorbed must one be to write this about oneself?

I ran “Champion of Truth” through an anagram server and came up with this: Pitchman For Thou. More here: Macho Profit Hunt

225 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 6:28:49am

re: #224 Iwouldprefernotto

Ha!

226 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 6:33:59am

re: #224 Iwouldprefernotto

Fart Phonic Mouth

Purrrrrfect!

227 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 29, 2014 6:35:18am

re: #207 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Want to see something scary?

Beware. Make sure small children and pets are not nearby. Probably NSFW, lest people also be scared.

[Embedded content]

I didn”t get to the site. Is it gone?

228 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 6:36:03am

re: #227 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

donotlink seems to be gone, try deleting it.

229 Flounder  Nov 29, 2014 6:54:52am

Two goldfish are in a tank, one looks at the other and asks, “how the hell do you drive this thing?!”

230 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 6:58:52am

re: #218 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

On second thought, maybe the first one is not a selfie, given the angles involved. Whatever, he still looks ridiculous.

I looked at it myself. It is a selfie. He’s looking down at his phone while he takes the photo. You can see pavement under the phone in the reflection. And his eyelids are nearly covering his eyeballs.

Looks like a Blackberry, but it couldn’t be. His arch-nemesis, Barack Obama, uses a Blackberry.

231 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:00:30am

From my Email:

In August, our 22-year-old son John Crawford III was shot to death by police in a Walmart. John was unarmed and shopping while talking to the mother of his two children on his cell phone when police rushed into the store and started shooting.

We fought for months to get Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine to release surveillance footage - which clearly shows John posed no threat. We succeeded but a grand jury declined to bring charges against the officer who took John’s life. Fortunately, the U.S. Justice Department is conducting a civil rights investigation into John’s killing and this could be our last chance for justice.

We started a petition on change.org asking U.S. Attorney Carter M. Stewart to bring charges against the officer that killed our son. Click here to sign our petition.

While John was shopping, he picked up a toy BB gun from a shelf and walked around the store with it. The gun was mostly pointed at the ground and never aimed at anyone. But another shopper called the police, claiming John was pointing a gun at people - something the video in our petition contradicts. The caller would later admit he never saw John point the gun.

The video, which you can watch on our petition, shows John with the BB gun pointed at the floor when police began shooting. He drops it and runs for cover - only to be shot again when he was clearly unarmed.

John was holding a toy gun that had been left out of its packaging for days in the store. Surveillance footage shows others picked it up too - making us wonder that if John had been white, would he be alive today? Even if it the gun had been real, Ohio has an open carry law, meaning John could have legally carried a real rifle into the store.

The video footage shows that charges must be brought against Officer Sean Williams. Please tell U.S. Attorney Stewart that America isn’t a place where a police officer can go unpunished for taking the life of a peaceful young man who was simply shopping.

Sign our petition asking U.S. Attorney Carter M. Stewart to bring justice to John and our family. We are grateful for your continued support.

What so many wingnuts fail to acknowledge is that while the law may support the law enforcement officer in many individual situations, nationally there is a trend of fatal police shootings involving UNARMED citizens.

THIS IS A PROBLEM.

232 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 29, 2014 7:03:24am

re: #228 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

donotlink seems to be gone, try deleting it.

Addicted to research!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

233 lawhawk  Nov 29, 2014 7:06:59am

According to CCJ logic, someone who has been accused of crimes or has actually engaged in criminal activity who then owning or handling a gun (toy, air, or live) is only steps away from using the gun in criminal activity.

Well, then, I present CCJ.

He’s accused of engaging in criminal activity in at least one state, if not more. He’s violated state criminal laws.

And he’s handled firearms.

It’s not a reach. It’s only a matter of time. /ccj logic.

That CCJ is trying to make excuses for police killing this 12 year old in cold blood - without so much as even trying to disarm the kid, tells you more about CCJ’s sociopathic worldview than it does about Tamir.

Kids play with toy guns all the time. They even play with toy guns outside. They even play with air guns or paintball guns.

Someone might even use those in furtherance of a crime, but there’s no evidence that Tamir ever engaged in any criminal activity (sins of the parents are no excuse for gunning down the child). It’s further evidence that CCJ sees a certain group of people as subhuman and not worthy of living. It goes to CCJ’s racist and xenophobic worldview.

And it’s pathetic that he gets as much exposure as he does - but there’s lots of people who think as he does.

234 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:07:41am
235 austin_blue  Nov 29, 2014 7:09:18am

re: #209 Dr. Matt

Where is the librul media’s “outrage”? Coburn sends out a message and days later an ammosexual unloads a 100 rounds into government buildings including the Mexican consulate.

[Embedded content]

Well, you have to remember that our raison d’être is to Keep Austin Weird.

Harder to get much weirder than having a loony toon rip off a hundred rounds out of a high-cap rifle at closing time with 100,000 visitors in town for a major college football game and…

NOT HIT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM…

so it’s not a story, see? Now if blood had been washing down the gutters (and the gods know it could have happened), then it would have been a story. With the shooter portrayed as a Liberal Progressive, of course.

236 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:10:48am

PHOTOS: 2,000+ peaceful protesters in the nation’s capitol #shutitdown

I love how the # isn’t inflated to make the protest seem valid.

237 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 7:27:19am

re: #230 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I was wrong, not a selfie, but still helluva stupid pic.

Image: charles-c-johnson-04.jpg

238 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 7:30:09am

re: #237 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I was wrong, not a selfie, but still helluva stupid pic.

Image: charles-c-johnson-04.jpg

Agreed.

239 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 7:30:10am

Chucky as a lumbersexual smurf, LOL.

240 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:31:20am
241 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 7:32:23am

re: #239 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Chucky as a lumbersexual smurf, LOL.

I am reminded of the Lumberjack Song.
Youtube Video

242 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 7:35:05am

re: #241 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Youtube Video

243 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 29, 2014 7:37:06am
A noun, a verb, and WTF?

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani weighed in on the Ferguson grand jury decision Tuesday night and said that if it were his case, he would prosecute some witnesses to the police shooting of unarmed teen Michael Brown for lying about what they saw.

In an appearance on Fox News’ “The Kelly File,” Giuliani speculated that Officer Darren Wilson, who is white, felt compelled to come forward and give a TV interview about what happened in the fatal Aug. 9 confrontation because “he was so offended by the lies that were being told.”

More at TPM

244 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 7:38:20am

re: #243 Higgs Boson’s Mate

More at TPM

Rudy needs to STFU.

245 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:40:45am
246 Iwouldprefernotto  Nov 29, 2014 7:41:07am

re: #244 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Rudy needs to STFU.

Do you have to be a complete asshole to go on Fox News?

247 Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2014 7:42:21am

re: #245 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

I didn’t know Ice had taken up modeling. ;)

248 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 7:42:23am

re: #243 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Did he forget to don his KKK robe?

249 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:42:58am
250 makeitstop  Nov 29, 2014 7:43:03am

re: #244 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Rudy needs to STFU.

Maybe he sees an opportunity to try running for prez again.

251 dholmes32  Nov 29, 2014 7:43:16am

re: #243 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Whenever I think of Rudy Giuliani, I think of the time he unloaded on a guy who wanted to legalize ferrets in NYC (they are there anyway). He came positively unhinged.

Click only if you want to hear an elected official totally lose his shit over small furry animals which aren’t rats.

Video

252 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 7:45:43am

I believe it is a job requirement. You have to fail the personality test administered by HR before they’ll let you be on air.

I understand Fox News has copyrighted a new personality spectrum assessment that specifically tests for sociopathic tendencies. High scorers are typically hired on the spot.
/

253 BigPapa  Nov 29, 2014 7:47:39am

Giuliani has went full What About Black On Black Crime?

Next stop: black folk are to blame for racism.

254 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 29, 2014 7:48:17am

Sleeping time and my electric blanket await me. G’night from China!

255 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:48:31am

re: #252 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I believe it is a job requirement. You have to fail the personality test administered by HR before they’ll let you be on air.

I understand Fox News has copyrighted a new personality spectrum assessment that specifically tests for sociopathic tendencies. High scorers are typically hired on the spot.
/

I’ve decided that they have different requirements based on gender. If female you have to be able to be remade into a Barbie Doll on camera. If male, you have to appear very average, dweeby, WASPY, and preferrably be RC.

256 Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2014 7:48:34am

re: #251 dholmes32

Whenever I think of Rudy Giuliani, I think of the time he unloaded on a guy who wanted to legalize ferrets in NYC (they are there anyway). He came positively unhinged.

Click only if you want to hear an elected official totally lose his shit over small furry animals which aren’t rats.

[Embedded content]

Maybe he didn’t like the way ferrets smell. More likely he was instructed to keep ferrets out. The Cat Overlords don’t like the competition, you know.

257 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:48:48am

re: #254 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Sleeping time and my electric blanket await me. G’night from China!

OOOh, that works for Chicagoland too!

258 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 7:49:30am

re: #248 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

OK, having read that, he apparently meant the witnesses that allegedly perjured themselves and later allegedly admitted not to have seen the shooting. Is there any concrete info about this claim?

259 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:49:37am

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

Maybe he didn’t like the way ferrets smell. More likely he was instructed to keep ferrets out. The Cat Overlords don’t like the competition, you know.

He is an RC politician, he rejects the FO based on political polls.

260 Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2014 7:51:20am

re: #259 FemNaziBitch

He is an RC politician, he rejects the FO based on political polls.

RC = ‘Roman Catholic’ (?)

FO = ‘Ferret Overlords’ (?)

261 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:54:39am
262 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 7:55:30am

It feels much colder than it is.

263 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 8:00:09am

re: #258 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

OK, having read that, he apparently meant the witnesses that allegedly perjured themselves and later allegedly admitted not to have seen the shooting. Is there any concrete info about this claim?

Even McCulloch concedes they weren’t lying:

Some described what happened at critical moments, he said, only to concede “in subsequent interviews” or testimony that they didn’t actually see what they were describing.
It’s not a matter of people lying, he suggested. Asked by a reporter if he was contemplating perjury charges against any witness, McCulloch answered with a definitive no. “I think they truly believe that’s what they saw, but they didn’t,” he said.
washingtonpost.com

So yeah, it’s Mr. 9/11 being his usual douchecanoe self.

264 Iwouldprefernotto  Nov 29, 2014 8:04:16am

re: #263 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Even McCulloch concedes they weren’t lying:

So yeah, it’s Mr. 9/11 being his usual douchecanoe.

This is way beyond douchecanoe. He’s wants to put people in jail for testifying while the man who shot an unarmed teen walks away. Rudy is a complete POS.

265 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 8:04:55am

re: #264 Iwouldprefernotto

This is way beyond douchecanoe. He’s wants to put people in jail for testifying while the man who shot an unarmed teen walks away. Rudy is a complete POS.

He knows his base.

266 Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2014 8:12:31am

I finally did watch the footage of the Cleveland police shooting, and I have to say that the only person responding to Rice who did things right was the person who called 911. He told the dispatcher that the gun was “probably fake” but the dispatcher never passed that information on to responding officers. Thus according to NBC News the cops thought they were on a genuine ‘gun run’.

Even so, that does not make the way they just rolled up and fired justifiable. They could have pulled up further away and contained Rice while requesting backup. Instead, they came up right next to him and fired. That is in fact screwed up, and a huge failure.

My takeaway: The officer who fired needs to be fired and brought up on charges. The officer driving needs to be punished, but possibly not for homicide. The cops were in the wrong here, but how much so needs further investigation.

Please show this post to William as proof that I keep my word.

BBL

267 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 8:14:16am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

As I wrote to you above:

OK, simple scenario: hide behind the car and shout to the kid to drop whatever he is holding. That way you are guaranteed not to be hit and also give him the necessary time.

268 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Nov 29, 2014 8:15:24am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

I finally did watch the footage of the Cleveland police shooting, and I have to say that the only person responding to Rice who did things right was the person who called 911. He told the dispatcher that the gun was “probably fake” but the dispatcher never passed that information on to responding officers. Thus according to NBC News the cops thought they were on a genuine ‘gun run’.

Even so, that does make the way they just rolled up and fired justifiable. They could have pulled up further away and contained Rice while requesting backup. Instead, they came up right next to him and fired. That is in fact screwed up, and a huge failure.

My takeaway: The officer who fired needs to be fired and brought up on charges. The officer driving needs to be punished, but possibly not for homicide. The cops were in the wrong here, but how much so needs further investigation.

Please show this post to William as proof that I keep my word.

BBL

I think you may want to edit the above.

269 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 8:15:52am

BABA!!!!!!

270 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 29, 2014 8:16:42am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

I know you always intend to, but life gets in the way sometimes.

There are times, lately, like that video or Ferguson, when I wonder why I gave 16 years of my life to defend something that no longer exists…

271 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 8:17:25am

re: #269 FemNaziBitch

BABA!!!!!!

I prefer spaghetti, to be honest

272 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 8:17:27am

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

RC = ‘Roman Catholic’ (?)

FO = ‘Ferret Overlords’ (?)

FO = Feline Overlord

273 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 8:17:38am

re: #271 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

I prefer spaghetti, to be honest

HERETIC!

274 freetoken  Nov 29, 2014 8:17:47am

Some very twisted people out there:

Report: Boy missing 4 years found behind false wall in Georgia

[…]

“While at the location during the second call, the victim was able to establish phone contact with his mother and she in turn passed on additional information to the officers on the scene. The victim was found behind a false wall within the residence.”

Five people at the home were arrested, including the boy’s father and stepmother. They have been charged with false imprisonment, cruelty to children and obstruction, the Journal-Constitution reported.

The boy’s mother, who lives out of state, was traveling to Georgia to be reunited with her son, police said.

275 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 8:18:53am

re: #270 William Barnett-Lewis

BTW, William, did you mean to downding my “church” comment? Because I don’t discern why it would be insulting.

276 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 29, 2014 8:19:12am

re: #274 freetoken

Some very twisted people out there:

Report: Boy missing 4 years found behind false wall in Georgia

Da Fuq? What is wrong with people?!

277 FemNaziBitch  Nov 29, 2014 8:19:41am

I’m going to examine the heated blanket/nap idea mentioned above.

bbl

278 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 29, 2014 8:19:43am

re: #268 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I think you may want to edit the above.

I thought the same thing. I think there’s a *not* missing.

279 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 29, 2014 8:20:01am

So CNN runs this anti drone “report”. Complete with clips of the US Air Force Predator drone in the context of civilian drones being a collision threat to airliners. Um, us civilians face an all up 55lb limit. Just the landing gear on a predator may weigh more than that.

And their “expert” repeated the claim the FAA wants commercial drone operators to have full blown pilots licences, which is mostly learning all the wrong skills and regulations to have. Excessively expensive at at least $10,000. remember most of that is wasted time & effort. Do you or I need to know how to approach an airport use the radio, nav gear and fly the right approach path to understand you may not fly your drone within 5 miles of an airport? Do I need to demonstrate the ability to land a Cessna to loft a Phantom DJI?

Clearly a bunch of folks see the $$ value and career positions that will come from an excessive regulatory system rather than one scaled to the issue. Nobody was on to talk about a more reasonable approach. Not a soul. Not a farmer that might want a phantom instead of a helicopter for surveys. Not a single film maker to talk about how much safer a drone is that a helicopter for all concerned.

It’s as if PETA did a report on a meat packing plant basically. The media / agency fix is IN.

Just to be clear, they need weight classes, a set of rules for a drone / model plane license. Regulating a 1.5lb toy drone that can only fly a few minutes within a few hundred feet of the controller really need not be regulated like the big octo copters that can loft a DSLR or Alexa 4k camera and be flown beyond sight with an oculus viewer.

281 freetoken  Nov 29, 2014 8:24:19am

re: #279 Indy GOP Refugee

A million Hot Wheel Street Hawks will trump any CNN report, easily.

282 Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2014 8:27:59am

re: #268 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I think you may want to edit the above.

Now fixed, thanks.

283 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 29, 2014 8:28:28am

re: #279 Indy GOP Refugee

I actually saw some of those tiny drone toys (with video!) for sale at my local convenience store yesterday. Wow.

284 freetoken  Nov 29, 2014 8:28:46am

Meanwhile, locally, a new generation of wingnut is now appearing on the local political scene:

Incoming school trustee ruffles Escondido

Newly elected Escondido Union School District trustee Zesty Harper says she’s eager to start working to improve district schools, but acknowledges she’s gotten off to a bumpy start.

Harper, a 32-year-old mother of three, stepped into a quicksand of issues early on by blasting what she says is the poor quality of education in the district and by stating that she thinks creationism should be taught in classrooms alongside evolution.

[…]

However, just one day after the Nov. 4 election — in which she unseated incumbent Marty Hranek for the district’s Area 4 seat — Harper offended some parents, teachers and staff with a message she posted on Facebook: “I am so excited for the kids in Escondido! No longer will it be OK for this disservice we have called your education to continue. No longer will you be passed along and given a pat on the back when you can’t read and write.”

Harper later removed the post after getting an earful from the community.

[…]

285 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 8:31:43am

re: #284 freetoken

blasting what she says is the poor quality of education in the district and by stating that she thinks creationism should be taught in classrooms alongside evolution

Aaah… Ummmm… Ehhhh…
Got nuthin’.

286 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 8:32:51am

A scientifically illiterate creationist moron is gonna lecture others about their alleged educational deficiency. Riiiiight…

287 Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2014 8:34:07am

re: #279 Indy GOP Refugee

It’s called ‘rent seeking’, RWC, and it’s a big reason why many people end up hating regulatory agencies. They feel themselves forgotten by agencies that favor those with lobbying power, which means other gov agencies, mid-size to large companies, large NGOs, and unions. It actions like this one by the FAA that won Cliven Bundy so much (unjustified) sympathy, because he was seen as standing up to a government agency that does not serve the voters.

288 Dark_Falcon  Nov 29, 2014 8:37:43am

BBL for real.

289 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 29, 2014 8:38:38am

re: #281 freetoken

re: #283 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing

I actually saw some of those tiny drone toys (with video!) for sale at my local convenience store yesterday. Wow.

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

There are now cameras only 16mm x 16mm. Designed for car back up cameras the cam and the toy drone tech keeps shrinking. Face it 2k and 4k resolution is coming to tiny cams on tiny drones. Cheaper, safer and effective.

Unless of course most of the the commercial uses come off the table as impractical. The investments in the tech will seek to match the market potential in the post regulation environment. What if you needed an advanced degree in wildlife management to hunt a game animal for a meal? Or had to get a semi tractor rig license to drive a panel van for a moving company?

Would the dot com boom have been so great if commercial web sites had to get a license from the FTC?

290 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 29, 2014 8:40:38am

re: #275 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

BTW, William, did you mean to downding my “church” comment? Because I don’t discern why it would be insulting.

What number? If I was on my phone I have a bad habit of accidentally down dinging while scrolling.

Edit: found it. No, I actually wanted to upding it because I was thinking of that meaning of icon as well. Sorry for the confusion.

291 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 8:43:12am

re: #290 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, no worries then. It was at littlegreenfootballs.com

292 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Nov 29, 2014 8:43:17am

re: #284 freetoken

Newly elected Escondido Union School District trustee Zesty Harper

I can see that my wife and I didn’t consider all the possibilities when choosing baby names.

293 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 29, 2014 8:44:40am

re: #292 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I can see that my wife and I didn’t consider all the possibilities when choosing baby names.

Delish Grytpype-Thynneghazi sounds great.

294 ObserverArt  Nov 29, 2014 9:08:56am

Hey all. Back form Holiday-ing with family and friends.

I managed to read through most of this thread and all I can say is this country is majorly screwed up. How sad that people go so far to justify some of the events of the past few weeks. I can’t see how everyone isn’t pissed off about both Ferguson and Cleveland.

Everyone.

At this point as far as thread Topic Chuck Full o’ Shit C. Johnson goes, what can be said. There seems to be no bottom to his depravity. I really hope something he says is so out of line he gets taken down. As out of control he is, he is going to cross the wrong line and the wronged party isn’t going to back off making this little asshole’s life miserable. I don’t believe in violent acts, but it would not surprise me one bit if someone beats the crap out of him. He’s just asking for it. And he doesn’t seem to posses the filters that would prevent it all from happening.

And now for some of the B1G game between two states Michigan and Ohio State. Later all.

295 Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2014 9:17:19am

re: #50 darthstar

I’ll bet Chucky’s “Asian wife” dumps his ass as soon as she reads his twitter feed.

I wonder if she’s an English speaker. I can’t imagine how anyone with any self respect could be married to such an obnoxious, arrogant sociopath unless they didn’t know what he was doing.

296 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 29, 2014 9:25:17am

re: #295 Skip Intro

I wonder if she’s an English speaker. I can’t imagine how anyone with any self respect could be married to such an obnoxious, arrogant sociopath unless they didn’t know what he was doing.

Emotionally battered wife?

297 calochortus  Nov 29, 2014 9:26:46am

Just driving by and waving. Our Thanksgiving will be today due to various scheduling issues, so I’m off to make a pie crust and and some stuffing* for tonight’s turkey dinner.

*Not to be consumed together, although stuffing pie might have some possibilities…

298 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 29, 2014 9:39:40am

Rain. Looks like a nice, soaking rain. Good day to be indoors.

299 Skip Intro  Nov 29, 2014 9:41:06am

re: #153 Kragar

Rule of thumb: If you find yourself coming up with justifications not to be outraged by cops shooting and killing a 12 year old, just fucking shut the fuck up.

All this talk unearthed a memory I had long forgotten. When I was around 12, my parents gave me a BB gun. I was out in our backyard shooting (our house lot had been carved into a hill, so there was no open area where a BB could have escaped) when a cop appeared on the lot next door (the next door neighbors were assholes and had called the cops on me).

Lucky for me, those were saner days, and of course I was white, so nothing happened. Playing with BB guns and fake guns was a part of growing up for me. Other than that one time, my friends and I were never bothered by anyone because of it. Of course, my friends weren’t black either.

300 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 29, 2014 9:45:59am

re: #299 Skip Intro

All this talk unearthed a memory I had long forgotten. When I was around 12, my parents gave me a BB gun. I was out in our backyard shooting (our house lot had been carved into a hill, so there was no open area where a BB could have escaped) when a cop appeared on the lot next door (the next door neighbors were assholes and had called the cops on me).

Lucky for me, those were saner days, and of course I was white, so nothing happened. Playing with BB guns and fake guns was a part of growing up for me. Other than that one time, my friends and I were never bothered by anyone because of it. Of course, my friends weren’t black either.

Crazy thing is, the same folks who will excuse killing a 12 year old with a toy gun will wax nostalgic about when they were young and you could bring a rifle to school if you were going out hunting later, but these days Liberals won’t let you do that.

301 retired cynic  Nov 29, 2014 9:47:32am

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

Exactly the same people. It is a wonderment.

302 gwangung  Nov 29, 2014 9:48:57am

re: #296 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Emotionally battered wife?

Or she wears the pants in the family and makes all the major decisions. All this dickery on the internet is his way of asserting his manhood.

303 retired cynic  Nov 29, 2014 9:50:09am

re: #302 gwangung

Their photos together don’t give off that vibe, however.

304 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 29, 2014 9:53:42am

May the defriending begin. My patience has run out.

Recent FB post by someone who doesn’t get it. Or does and prefers being snarky:

The latest Michel Brown protests are concentrating on retail outlets. They don’t want people to buy stuff.

For once the protests are spot on: Don’t buy things. After all, Brown was a thief and looting seemed to be a popular way of protesting his death.

305 jaunte  Nov 29, 2014 10:29:04am

The boy [eyewitness], now a grown man, later filed an affidavit admitting that he never saw the murder. He also claims that he was threatened by police into identifying Jackson as one of the murderers.

306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2014 11:19:09am

re: #305 jaunte

It’s like a John Grisham novel.

307 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 29, 2014 11:28:44am

A downding for the Grisham reference? Really?
Grisham has that exact scenario in at least two novels where kids were bullied by police to lie, sending innocent people to death row.

308 Michael McBacon  Nov 29, 2014 12:17:53pm

Gotta love how these yahoos are suddenly pro-gun control when the gun is in the hands of a person of color. RE: Reagan and the Black Panther Party.


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