Right Wing Blogs Led by Breitbart “News” Launch Virulent, Dishonest Attack on “Black Lives Matter” Activist

The smear machine went into high gear for this one
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In the past couple of days, right wing blogs led by the whacked out self-hater Milo Yiannopoulos (a friend of racist cyberstalker Chuck C. Johnson) at Breitbart “News” have launched a virulent attack on #BlackLivesMatter activist Shaun King, alleging that he’s been lying about his heritage like Rachel Dolezal, and is actually white, not black.

And once again, the Breitbrats succeeded in driving their smear piece into the mainstream media, with very credulous coverage on CNN and other news networks — despite Breitbart’s long history of dishonesty, fake controversies and naked right wing propagandizing.

Here’s Shaun King’s response to this mess, posted at Daily Kos, and it’s a damned shame that he even had to write this: Race, Love, Hate, and Me: A Distinctly American Story. I won’t quote from this; just go and read it. I don’t know Shaun King personally and I’ve never spoken to him, but I do know the vile dishonesty of the Breitbart gang, and if I have to choose who seems more trustworthy, there’s simply no contest.

Shame on the mainstream journalists who fell for yet another creepy hit piece from right wing blogs they should have known better than to trust as sources. How many times do they need to get burned before they learn this lesson?

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559 comments

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WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:52:51pm

This surprises no one. This is how the entirety of the right manages discourse. They attack because they have no other legs than the hate that drives their every thought and action.

This is their crutch.

This is how they roll.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:54:52pm

John Nolte is having a meltdown. Somebody must have sprinkled some water on him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:56:27pm

sigh

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:56:56pm

re: #2 Nyet

John Nolte is having a meltdown. Somebody must have sprinkled some water on him.

That guy is a festering pustule of a human being, total garbage human.

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i_a_c  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:57:09pm

The mainstream media didn’t fall for anything. They are just as racist as Breitbart but more tactful about it. They have just as much incentive to tear down anyone making a dent in the white male power structure as some rightwing racist site. This time they just showed their true colors more than usual.

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WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:57:24pm

I’ll also say this: Who. Fucking. Cares?

King is against all police brutality. He talks about whites being killed in police custody. But they’re apparently icky whites not worthy of right wing consideration.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:57:27pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:57:49pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

See you already found the goods :)

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:58:44pm

re: #8 Nyet

See you already found the goods :)

It’s kind of what we do around here. That, and tell jokes.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:59:11pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

It’s kind of what we do around here. That, and tell jokes.

And post random photo tweets.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 5:59:58pm

I guess in Nolte’s world white guys throw their mothers under the bus.
Nolte’s mom must be so proud of those tire marks.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:01:21pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, he’s the guy who wants to murder some mothers.

Somebody should check if his mom is alright.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:01:23pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

I guess in Nolte’s world white guys throw their mothers under the bus.
Nolte’s mom must be so proud of those tire marks.

As far as Nolte’s concerned, there’s no way Shaun could have answered this. If he’d kept silent, it would have been proof they were right. If he answered like he did, well, he threw his mother under a bus. If it had turned out that she had been raped, he would have been doxxing a rape victim.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:01:41pm

Aieee! No more looking at John Nolte’s Twitter timeline. I need a shower.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:02:41pm

I’m not crazy about Shaun King and stopped following him on Twitter, but it’s a crying shame that he felt the need to publicly air very private family matters to defend himself.

Shame on the mainstream media for falling for yet another creepy hit piece from right wing blogs they should have known better than to trust as sources. How many times do they need to get burned before they learn this lesson?

They got their clicks and that’s what counts—that seems to be the only lesson they’ve learned. That’s why I’m getting most of my news nowadays from non-U.S. sources

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:03:28pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

I get my news here from you guys. You do a pretty good job of curating what I really need to know.

Whenever I listen to Wait Wait, Don’t Tell Me, I can answer most of the news questions, anyway.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:04:04pm

Nolte totally ruined Married… with children for me. ///

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:05:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:05:35pm

re: #7 Nyet

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Being John Nolte sucks.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:05:54pm

re: #17 Nyet

Nolte totally ruined Married… with children for me. ///

I wonder if Ed O’Neill knows this shitbag is using his mug as his Twitter avatar.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:06:08pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFK High School in the Bronx

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HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:07:07pm

Nolte just seems to be perpetually enraged. I get it. Being a right wing conservative is a miserable existence but you don’t have to take it on everyone, Nolte.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:08:25pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Being John Nolte sucks.

Agreed. Being John Nolte is one movie I’ll pass on, thanks.

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No Depression  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:08:42pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

I’m not crazy about Shaun King and stopped following him on Twitter, but it’s a crying shame that he felt the need to publicly air very private family matters to defend himself.

They got their clicks and that’s what counts—that seems to be the only lesson they’ve learned. That’s why I’m getting most of my news nowadays from non-U.S. sources

This Shaun King stuff and the AP’s botched expose on the Iran Deal have reinforced my belief that the American media is largely useless, perhaps even maleficent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:08:52pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:09:20pm

re: #13 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is generally true of all accusations from the Right. It’s like witch trials - “We’re going to throw you in this pond. If you float, you’re guilty, and we hang you. If you struggle or try to swim, you’re guilty, and we hang you. If you drown, we fish out your innocent corpse.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:09:48pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

This is generally true of all accusations from the Right. It’s like witch trials - “We’re going to throw you in this pond. If you float, you’re guilty, and we hang you. If you struggle or try to swim, you’re guilty, and we hang you. If you drown, we fish out your innocent corpse.”

Quack.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:10:11pm

re: #23 Nyet

Agreed. Being John Nolte is one movie I’ll pass on, thanks.

Image: 462326-233786.jpg

Hahahah.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:10:34pm

Noticing that Bernie Sanders followers really bought into this smear, and don’t want to believe Shaun King’s story.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:10:40pm

heh

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:10:47pm

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CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:11:15pm

re: #24 No Depression

This Shaun King stuff and the AP’s botched expose on the Iran Deal have reinforced my belief that the American media is largely useless, perhaps even maleficent.

This. I hate that I can’t trust them anymore. It stinks.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:11:21pm
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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:11:45pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Noticing that Bernie Sanders followers really bought into this smear, and don’t want to believe Shaun King’s story.

DKos is full of Bernie followers and they support King. Maybe it’s different in other places.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:11:55pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Noticing that Bernie Sanders followers really bought into this smear, and don’t want to believe Shaun King’s story.

I’ve come to the conclusion that a lot of Bernie supporters on twitter are not Bernie supporters. They are just shit stirrers.

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WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:13:50pm

re: #24 No Depression

This Shaun King stuff and the AP’s botched expose on the Iran Deal have reinforced my belief that the American media is largely useless, perhaps even maleficent.

With 24/7 Trump, the media is going to get him elected. I won’t watch any American media until the All Trump All The Fucking Time stuff stops. It’s appalling

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:13:56pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

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piratedan  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:14:48pm

what I don’t understand is how anyone gives those asshats any credibility AT ALL… it’s an endless litany of lies, misrepresentations and nothingburgers and yet anyone working in the media just goes along and faithfully parrots those diatribes that emanate from these depths and treats them each time as if THIS TIME, IT’S GOSPEL!

If I was wrong this often about every fucking thing, I wouldn’t have a job, a family or even a home.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:15:46pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

And that, to me, is the key. When Obama was running in 2008, and people started suggesting he wasn’t really black, I said, “Picture him in the Jim Crow South. Which water fountain will he be allowed to drink from?”

WE, the white folks, did the defining of who was and was not white. If white people think you’re black, you’re black.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:16:22pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Noticing that Bernie Sanders followers really bought into this smear, and don’t want to believe Shaun King’s story.

They’ve fucked up.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:19:14pm

A few of the folks I’ve talked to about Bernie Sanders really like the guy and want him to win, they post to Facebook often about him. I’ve asked them how they’d vote if Hillary Clinton got the nomination, all of them have told me they wouldn’t vote for president, that she’s just as bad as Republicans, she’s bought and paid for by banks.

*sigh*

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:19:28pm

Roy Jones Jr. shares some details about Putin and I’m having a deja vu:

tmz.com

He also says he looked Putin right in his eyes and got a good feeling about the guy — “I felt his respect.”

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CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:19:44pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

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I wouldn’t worry about it too much. I have a ginormous block list because I preemptively block wingnut trolls, stalkers, racists, bigots etc.—started doin that as soon as I got on Twitter and got attacked by some of the stalkers.

Nowadays, no matter what I tweet I rarely get swarmed. The few that do get through get quickly zapped into oblivion. I never, EVER engage with them, no matter how badly I may want to—it’s a waste of time and I don’t need the agita.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:19:58pm

Snake Break!
Not only this out in the driveway this evening, but we have an oak lizard in the kitchen. So much for the hatch of babby geckos….

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:20:18pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

That’s my fear about the Bernie campaign. After their dreams crash and bern, will they vote for the other candidate?

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:20:30pm

re: #42 Nyet

Roy Jones Jr. shares some details about Putin and I’m having a deja vu:

tmz.com

Is respect some Russian slang term for penis?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:21:05pm

What does his race have to do with anything anyway? Black lives DO matter.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:21:12pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

A few of the folks I’ve talked to about Bernie Sanders really like the guy and want him to win, they post to Facebook often about him. I’ve asked them how they’d vote if Hillary Clinton got the nomination, all of them have told me they wouldn’t vote for president, that she’s just as bad as Republicans, she’s bought and paid for by banks.

*sigh*

And these people will bitch the most about the Republicans if they’re in power. Sigh. I really like Bernie but goddamn it.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:21:17pm

re: #46 Kragar

ROTFL

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:21:55pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

All the Pepcid AC in the world does not get rid of those folks.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:22:00pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

A few of the folks I’ve talked to about Bernie Sanders really like the guy and want him to win, they post to Facebook often about him. I’ve asked them how they’d vote if Hillary Clinton got the nomination, all of them have told me they wouldn’t vote for president, that she’s just as bad as Republicans, she’s bought and paid for by banks.

*sigh*

In that, they are mirror images of the bottom third of Freepers. Same mania, different focus.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:22:39pm

re: #38 piratedan

Clicks. It’s all about the clicks. As long as you’re getting them, you can’t be “wrong”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:22:48pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

It’s kind of what we do around here. That, and tell jokes.

I had John Nolte in my “Derp” list for a while, along with Ben Shapiro, Bryan Fischer, Dim Jim, etc. but I had to remove him because he was too toxic even for me.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:22:57pm

I have a feeling Hillary Clinton is going to run one hell of a campaign when things go into high gear next winter. BeachDem can attest to the ground game she’s got going on in South Carolina (!) and hopefully she’s learned from her mistakes from 2008. She has won election, a Senate seat for the State of New York, she knows how to do it.

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EPR-radar  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:23:13pm

re: #38 piratedan

what I don’t understand is how anyone gives those asshats any credibility AT ALL… it’s an endless litany of lies, misrepresentations and nothingburgers and yet anyone working in the media just goes along and faithfully parrots those diatribes that emanate from these depths and treats them each time as if THIS TIME, IT’S GOSPEL!

If I was wrong this often about every fucking thing, I wouldn’t have a job, a family or even a home.

This all is just part of the Great Both-Siderist Lie of the main stream media.

The MSM is mostly committed to the narrative that partisan excess is equally deplorable in both Democrats and Republicans, and that we need to have bipartisan policies that sensible people in both parties can agree on.

Of course the giant hole in this fairy tale is that there are no sensible people left in the Republican party.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:23:38pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

A few of the folks I’ve talked to about Bernie Sanders really like the guy and want him to win, they post to Facebook often about him. I’ve asked them how they’d vote if Hillary Clinton got the nomination, all of them have told me they wouldn’t vote for president, that she’s just as bad as Republicans, she’s bought and paid for by banks.

*sigh*

Obama won without the PUMA’s, hopefully it’s the same.

Trump might just scare everyone into voting though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:23:55pm

How many times do they need to get burned before they learn the lesson?

Too damned many it seems.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:24:02pm
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b.d.  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:24:02pm

re: #44 Dave In Austin

Snake Break!
Not only this out in the driveway this evening, but we have an oak lizard in the kitchen. So much for the hatch of babby geckos….

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Red to Yellow, pet the fellow.

Right?

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:24:12pm

re: #44 Dave In Austin

Snake Break!
Not only this out in the driveway this evening, but we have an oak lizard in the kitchen. So much for the hatch of babby geckos….

[Embedded content]

Red and yellow, kill a fellow
Red and black, don’t kill jack

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EPR-radar  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:24:49pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

A few of the folks I’ve talked to about Bernie Sanders really like the guy and want him to win, they post to Facebook often about him. I’ve asked them how they’d vote if Hillary Clinton got the nomination, all of them have told me they wouldn’t vote for president, that she’s just as bad as Republicans, she’s bought and paid for by banks.

*sigh*

You might want to ask them their opinion of ‘Justice’ Scalia et al.

Even if HRC is a creature of the banks, her SCOTUS picks will be infinitely better than any Republican’s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:24:57pm

re: #42 Nyet

Roy Jones Jr. shares some details about Putin and I’m having a deja vu:

tmz.com

PUTIN’S EYES!!!!111!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:25:02pm

re: #54 teleskiguy

I have a feeling Hillary Clinton is going to run one hell of a campaign when things go into high gear next winter. BeachDem can attest to the ground game she’s got going on in South Carolina (!) and hopefully she’s learned from her mistakes from 2008. She has won election, a Senate seat for the State of New York, she knows how to do it.

From what BeachDem has told us, Hillary’s campaign isn’t going with that entitled vibe I got from them in 2008. They also seem to be assembling a truly diverse coalition. Bernie has a legitimate question whether he can be more than the candidate of mostly white lefty activists. Not knocking that bloc by any means btw but he does need to expand his base.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:26:06pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

PUTIN’S EYES!!!!111!!!!

Say what you want about McCain, but he saw just the right thing there.

Bush and Jones… not so much.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:26:16pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

You might want to ask them their opinion of ‘Justice’ Scalia et al.

Even if HRC is a creature of the banks, her SCOTUS picks will be infinitely better than any Republican’s.

My paralegal studies have convinced me more than ever that judges alone are a good reason to prefer the Dems. Kagan or Sotomayor versus Thomas or Scalia. As easy as bolonga versus steaks.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:26:19pm

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

Red and yellow, kill a fellow
Red and black, don’t kill jack

“Red, and yellow and black—don’t fuck with it.”

No doggerel on my risk management matrix.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:26:37pm

re: #47 GlutenFreeJesus

What does his race have to do with anything anyway? Black lives DO matter.

Kill the messenger, kill the message.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:27:03pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

You might want to ask them their opinion of ‘Justice’ Scalia et al.

Even if HRC is a creature of the banks, her SCOTUS picks will be infinitely better than any Republican’s.

I’ve told every Berniac that! Three words: Supreme Court Appointments.

That’s the most important reason why we need to get a Democrat into the White House in 2016.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:27:33pm

re: #44 Dave In Austin

Snake Break!
Not only this out in the driveway this evening, but we have an oak lizard in the kitchen. So much for the hatch of babby geckos….

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Okay, this is gonna sound weird, but what a beautiful shade of pure ultramarine blue that bucket is!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:28:19pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

I’ve told every Berniac that! Three words: Supreme Court Appointments.

That’s the most important reason why we need to get a Democrat into the White House in 2016.

I’d say all judge appointments. Not nit picking ya here. You’re absolutely right.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:30:32pm

re: #69 CuriousLurker

Okay, this is gonna sound weird, but what a beautiful shade of pure ultramarine blue that bucket is!

Most expensive pigment of the late middle ages. Giotto warped the world market for this:

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No Depression  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:30:53pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

A few of the folks I’ve talked to about Bernie Sanders really like the guy and want him to win, they post to Facebook often about him. I’ve asked them how they’d vote if Hillary Clinton got the nomination, all of them have told me they wouldn’t vote for president, that she’s just as bad as Republicans, she’s bought and paid for by banks.

*sigh*

I like Bernie and think he has good ideas with proven track records in other countries and I’m glad that he’s trying to shift the agenda leftward. And I’ll admit that I don’t really trust Hillary or like her close ties to Wall Street. But I want Hillary to win, because I don’t think Bernie would accomplish much as President, if he even won the election. I’m afraid his ideas would be considered too radical by Congress and would get blocked at every turn, meaning nothing gets done. And then that would set things up for a Republican to win in 2020, which will fuck our country over big time.

On the other hand, I think Hillary knows how to play the political game, and would at least get some shit done. I hope there’s other Bernie supporters that realize what the stakes are.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:31:01pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

“Red, and yellow and black—don’t fuck with it.”

No doggerel on my risk management matrix.

Those always mess me up, because my mind plays tricks with them, like:

“Red sky at morning, sailor take warning.
“Red sky at night, sailor take fright.”

See? Not helpful at all.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:31:01pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

I really hope this is true. Too much is at stake if next year’s election is taken for granted. If Trump isn’t trounced at the polls on election night, we will be hearing even more of this shit in the foreseeable future. I know it won’t happen, but 80% going for the DNC candidate vs. everyone else split between whoever/Trump. That would be the greatest thing. Ever.

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WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:31:36pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

And these people will bitch the most about the Republicans if they’re in power. Sigh. I really like Bernie but goddamn it.

Bet Bernie will turn them around by saying just what you did. ANY Dem beats the glut of crazy replublicns.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:32:02pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I’d say all judge appointments. Not nit picking ya here. You’re absolutely right.

There’s no question the Supreme Court is going to shuffle around a bit during the next two presidential terms. Scalia’s old (79) and his mind is going (pure applesauce, anyone?) and RBG (82) and Kennedy (79) are really old, too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:32:27pm

re: #64 Nyet

Say what you want about McCain, but he saw just the right thing there.

Bush and Jones… not so much.

I was thinking more of GWB: “I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul. He’s a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that’s the beginning of a very constructive relationship.”

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:32:28pm

re: #44 Dave In Austin

Snake Break!
Not only this out in the driveway this evening, but we have an oak lizard in the kitchen. So much for the hatch of babby geckos….

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yellow on black…?

I forget.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:34:09pm

re: #76 teleskiguy

There’s no question the Supreme Court is going to shuffle around a bit during the next two presidential terms. Scalia’s old (79) and his mind is going (pure applesauce, anyone?) and RBG (82) and Kennedy (79) are really old, too.

Yeah the next President is going to have an opportunity to shape the complexion of the court for the next generation. We’re quite fortunate that Obama has gotten two picks in and they’ve both done quite well so far.

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:34:09pm

re: #72 No Depression

I respect Bernie’s courtesy towards Hillary. He could have acted like some of his supporters and start calling her a Wall Street shill etc., but he wouldn’t do that, he is focused on the issues.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:34:31pm

re: #73 Blind Frog Belly White

Those always mess me up, because my mind plays tricks with them, like:

“Red sky at morning, sailor take warning.
“Red sky at night, sailor take fright.”

See? Not helpful at all.

I learned it as “Red sky at night, sailor’s delight.”

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:34:49pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, I mentioned all three in that comment ;)

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:35:00pm

Did y’all know Ruth Bader Ginsberg has been a widow for five years? I didn’t until now. Internet.

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piratedan  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:35:07pm

re: #52 CuriousLurker

re: #55 EPR-radar

It’s a like a perverse reverse Nixonian effect… we’ve “proven” that this stuff is wrong by citing actual sources and scientific fact and yet this crapola is faithfully trotted out as “fact” for the next time.

It’s difficult when the BEST mainstream source for actual events and news reporting is coming from The Comedy Network and HBO. The Newsroom laments what the media has become, but as CL has stated, they’re not really interested in news, just clicks as a means for ad revenue and if some actual factual reportage takes place, well that’s nice too, but otherwise, it’s horse race narrative and scandal mongering 24/7.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:35:21pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

I learned it as “Red sky at night, sailor’s delight.”

Yeah, that’s what it’s SUPPOSED TO be. But my punster’s mind got ahold of it, and now I’m more likely to remember the ‘fright’ version.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:35:37pm

re: #78 #FergusonFireside

Friend of Jack…

Red on yellow…. Well, that could be uncomfortable.

I used a welders glove to pick it up. He was a biter for shore…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:35:41pm

re: #82 Nyet

Yeah, I mentioned all three in that comment ;)

I was just being specific…
;)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:36:16pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, that’s what it’s SUPPOSED TO be. But my punster’s mind got ahold of it, and now I’m more likely to remember the ‘fright’ version.

:D

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:37:16pm

Charles. I have to push this request once again. Highlighting other members’ posts that have quoted us. It would be much easier to not miss things that way. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:37:52pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, that’s what it’s SUPPOSED TO be. But my punster’s mind got ahold of it, and now I’m more likely to remember the ‘fright’ version.

The fright version might not be so far off base.
Most colorful sunsets are due to some sort of pollution in the atmosphere (like forest fires, volcanoes and the usual modern day crap in the air).

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Nyet  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:38:21pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Yeah the next President is going to have an opportunity to shape the complexion of the court for the next generation. We’re quite fortunate that Obama has gotten two picks in and they’ve both done quite well so far.

Meanwhile Roberts has already betrayed the cons where it Really Mattered, bwahahahaha.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:39:12pm

re: #83 teleskiguy

Did y’all know Ruth Bader Ginsberg has been a widow for five years? I didn’t until now. Internet.

Sandra Day was an angel taking care of her husband & all, but damn, she should still be wearing the robe.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:39:53pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

A few of the folks I’ve talked to about Bernie Sanders really like the guy and want him to win, they post to Facebook often about him. I’ve asked them how they’d vote if Hillary Clinton got the nomination, all of them have told me they wouldn’t vote for president, that she’s just as bad as Republicans, she’s bought and paid for by banks.

*sigh*

the whole phenomenon makes me ill

somewhere, karl rove is smiling…

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:40:35pm

re: #78 #FergusonFireside

yellow on black…?

I forget.

2nd question…you have gecko’s about to hatch? They are so hard to get!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:41:07pm

re: #92 #FergusonFireside

Sandra Day was an angel taking care of her husband & all, but damn, she should still be wearing the robe.

Different people have different priorities in life.
I agree she should still be wearing the robe, but she did what she felt best for her and her family. Can’t fault her a bit.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:41:37pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:44:26pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

I learned it as “Red sky at night, sailor’s delight.”

I remember my father used that for weather forecasting for the next day’s fishing expedition.

We also had:
Wind out of the West, the fishing’s the best.
Wind out of the south, fish have open mouth.
Wind out of the east, fish bite the least.
Wind out of the north, do not go forth.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:46:12pm
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CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:46:16pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Most expensive pigment of the late middle ages. Giotto warped the world market for this:

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Yep, reading about the history of pigments is one of the subjects I really enjoy. Some of it is really crazy—not only the expense & lengths people had to go to to obtain certain colors, but also the source of some colors like “mummy brown” (also referred to caput mortuum, which is a sort of dark violet brown iron oxide pigment in use today).

BTW, if anyone loves looking at colors, there’s a German color mill named Kermer Pigments that has a store in NYC, and their website has my favorite online catalog ever: kremerpigments.com

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Dave In Austin  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:50:04pm

re: #94 #FergusonFireside

We started seeing little one about 2 weeks ago. No shortage here.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:50:59pm

Does anyone else find it odd that Christian Mingle is advertising on the Rachel Maddow show?

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:51:15pm
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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:51:24pm

re: #100 Dave In Austin

We started seeing little one about 2 weeks ago. No shortage here.

We only get the stone colored blue bellies out here. Nothing colorful at all. :(

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:52:00pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

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This is such old school racism.

gah

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No Depression  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:52:31pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

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It must be so hard on him to have a President that looks different than him. Maybe he could ask some black folks on how they dealt with it for the last 200 years or so.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:53:02pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

A few of the folks I’ve talked to about Bernie Sanders really like the guy and want him to win, they post to Facebook often about him. I’ve asked them how they’d vote if Hillary Clinton got the nomination, all of them have told me they wouldn’t vote for president, that she’s just as bad as Republicans, she’s bought and paid for by banks.

*sigh*

That makes me ill. And they obviously aren’t listening to Bernie.

If they think Hillary is as bad as the Republicans who are running, I weep for this country.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:53:12pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

Yep, reading about the history of pigments is one of the subjects I really enjoy. SOme of it is really crazy—not only the expense & lengths people had to go to to obtain some colors, but also the source of colors like “mummy brown” (also sometimes called caput mortuum, which is a sort of dark violet brown iron oxide pigment in use today).

BTW, if anyone loves looking at colors, there’s a German color mill named Kermer Pigments that has a store in NYC, and their website has my favorite online catalog ever: kremerpigments.com

We got to tour the chapel a couple times, in the years before they had to clamp down on it. Now most groups are limited to 20 minutes, and have to ‘decompress’ in an a/c drying room. (15th Air force put a 500 lb bomb into the church of the Eremitani a hundred yards away. Fortunate, in that it only had a bunch of Masacios.)

wga.hu

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:54:26pm

re: #106 BeachDem

That makes me ill. And they obviously aren’t listening to Bernie.

If they think Hillary is as bad as the Republicans who are running, I weep for this country.

Trump Trump Trump Trump

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WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:55:21pm

re: #106 BeachDem

That makes me ill. And they obviously aren’t listening to Bernie.

If they think Hillary is as bad as the Republicans who are running, I weep for this country.

No True Scotsmen isn’t only for the right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:56:24pm

I remember having a car that looked a lot like this back in the day and it also needed to be parked pointing downhill…just in case.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:57:27pm

Having CNN on as background while I work all day, as I tend to do, there finally was an ad of the servicemen for the Iran deal. The ads against are hourly.

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TedStriker  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:57:35pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was thinking more of GWB: “I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul. He’s a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that’s the beginning of a very constructive relationship.”

Meanwhile, Putin had to be thinking, “Sucker!”

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EPR-radar  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:57:57pm

re: #92 #FergusonFireside

Sandra Day was an angel taking care of her husband & all, but damn, she should still be wearing the robe.

O’Connor was the deciding vote in Bush v. Gore. That’s awfully hard to forgive.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:58:38pm
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CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:58:40pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember having a car that looked a lot like this back in the day and it also needed to be parked pointing downhill…just in case.

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Car collectors must be salivating at the thought of getting their hands on some of those old cars.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:58:44pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:59:12pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember having a car that looked a lot like this back in the day and it also needed to be parked pointing downhill…just in case.

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Used to call my ‘80 MG Midget “Blanche DuBois” because it depended on the kindness of strangers.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:59:55pm

re: #114 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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You knew you had to.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:00:24pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

You knew you had to.

This is not a good hobby for the perfectionist.

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EPR-radar  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:01:56pm

re: #91 Nyet

Meanwhile Roberts has already betrayed the cons where it Really Mattered, bwahahahaha.

Actually, I think Roberts is doing as much damage as he possibly can, while trying to keep the court’s reputation mostly intact.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:02:54pm

re: #119 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is not a good hobby for the perfectionist.

You could have pretended the mistake was intentional, like the weavers of Persian rugs who leave a glitch lest their perfection offend the heavens.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:03:53pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

You could have pretended the mistake was intentional, like the weavers of Persian rugs who leave a glitch lest their perfection offend the heavens.

There are two very tiny mistakes in my previous two pieces (not intentional, just not enough to justify what I am doing right now).

This was a section about 17 stitches or so that was just wrong, and it …yeah, I don’t know why I like this hobby sometimes either.

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aagcobb  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:04:04pm

re: #106 BeachDem

That makes me ill. And they obviously aren’t listening to Bernie.

If they think Hillary is as bad as the Republicans who are running, I weep for this country.

That’s just what people say in the heat of the campaign. Remember how pissed off Hillary supporters weren’t going to vote for Obama in ‘08?

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Reality Based Steve  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:04:24pm

This must be “see a reptile day”. I had a big fat skink lizard (probably 8 inches nose to tail) watching me fill tanks this morning. He was just sitting on the cement, about 6 foot away. When I tried to get a bit closer however, he took off running. I’d imagine being small, soft and defenseless would do that to you.

RBS

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prairiefire  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:05:41pm

re: #124 Fuzzy Bunny 06

We have blue skinks in Missouri.

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Belafon  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:06:01pm

re: #115 CuriousLurker

Car collectors must be salivating at the thought of getting their hands on some of those old cars.

When my sister and brother-in-law were first stationed in Germany, they made a couple of friends and brought them over for Thanksgiving. One of them returns once a year and buys old American cars, and ships them to Germany to resell. Now that America is ending its embargo, I could see him buying cars in Cuba, shipping them to the US to be repaired, and then selling in Germany.

He decided he wanted to be a car salesman when he graduated high school, so that’s what Germany sent him to school to learn.

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bratwurst  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:06:28pm

re: #111 #FergusonFireside

Having CNN on as background while I work all day, as I tend to do, there finally was an ad of the servicemen for the Iran deal. The ads against are hourly.

The admittedly dubious First Look Media is reporting today that an anti-Iran ad campaign is being financed by Saudi Arabia to the tune of $6.2 million. Last week the New York Times reported that AIPAC is investing $20 million.

What an obnoxious waste of money.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:10:14pm

My friend photoed Bill Walton on his bike, riding up Independence Pass.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:11:27pm

re: #124 Fuzzy Bunny 06

This must be “see a reptile day”. I had a big fat skink lizard (probably 8 inches nose to tail) watching me fill tanks this morning. He was just sitting on the cement, about 6 foot away. When I tried to get a bit closer however, he took off running. I’d imagine being small, soft and defenseless would do that to you.

RBS

This morning’s reptile contribution. Your dive club might want to skip Eufaula.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:13:16pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

This morning’s reptile contribution. Your dive club might want to skip Eufaula.

littlegreenfootballs.com

O_O

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:13:39pm

…dammit.

Another mistake.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:14:13pm

Today in Utah news, two state lawmakers accused the EPA — yes, the agency tasked with protecting the environment — of purposefully releasing 3 million gallons of toxic wastewater into the Animas River.

Utah’s Sen. Margaret Dayton (R) and Rep. Mike Noel (R) have no evidence for their claim — it’s more of a feeling, really — but the two have asked the state Attorney General Sean Reyes to investigate anyway.

“When you went to visit, were you able to discern whether or not there’s any truth to the fact that this was an accident on purpose so they could qualify for Superfund money or if this really was an accident accident?” Dayton asked Attorney General Reyes at a meeting Tuesday.

WE’RE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:14:36pm

re: #124 Fuzzy Bunny 06

This must be “see a reptile day”. I had a big fat skink lizard (probably 8 inches nose to tail) watching me fill tanks this morning. He was just sitting on the cement, about 6 foot away. When I tried to get a bit closer however, he took off running. I’d imagine being small, soft and defenseless would do that to you.

RBS

baby skink that the kittehs found in the kitchen last year:

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William Lewis  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:14:41pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

That guy is a festering pustule of a human being, total garbage human.

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Nolte, first you’d have to be a man before you’d know.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:17:06pm

re: #54 teleskiguy

I have a feeling Hillary Clinton is going to run one hell of a campaign when things go into high gear next winter. BeachDem can attest to the ground game she’s got going on in South Carolina (!) and hopefully she’s learned from her mistakes from 2008. She has won election, a Senate seat for the State of New York, she knows how to do it.

Funny you should mention that—from the latest Hillary info:

The early states:
• Iowa: the campaign has secured a committed caucus-goer in all 1,682 precincts and has been endorsed by a third of the state’s county chairs. The campaign has over a dozen offices open - more than any candidate, Democrat or Republican - and has thousands of active volunteers.

• New Hampshire: We are building a town-by-town volunteer infrastructure and have opened six offices - more than any other candidate.

• Nevada: Hillary is the only candidate with offices in northern and southern Nevada. The campaign’s state leadership just completed a 17-county tour to secure committed caucus-goers and recruit volunteers in every precinct of the state. Reno Gazette-Journal reporter Ray Hagar said Hillary is “the most organized candidate on either side right now.”

• South Carolina: Hillary was the first Democratic candidate with staff on the ground and remains the only one with offices in the state. This head start has provided an organizing advantage in the Palmetto state - Hillary’s team has already organized 400 events across the state and volunteers have contacted more than 50,000 voters.

Organizing nationwide for the primary and beyond:
• The campaign has active volunteer leaders in every state, the District of Columbia, the U.S. Territories, and Democrats Abroad.

• At the campaign’s official launch in June, the campaign held over 650 organizing meetings, including at least one in every congressional district in the country (delegates in the Democratic primary are allotted by Congressional District).

• Throughout the summer, volunteers have participated in monthly “Days of Action,” during which volunteers have signed up over 25,000 new supporters at over 500 community events across the country.

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freetoken  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:19:04pm

One of the idiocies revealed in this latest round of smear attacks is how unknowledgable some Americans are of our past.

Almost everyone, almost being over 99%, who might be desribed as people of color, and also a non-trivial percentage of those think of themselves as “white”, have what we would called a mixed ancestry.

A very large share of “Hispanics” will have African (not meaning the North African Arab but what is sometimes labeled “sub-Saharan”) ancestry since the time of Columbus.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:19:58pm

re: #135 BeachDem

O_O

That’s hella organization!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:21:57pm

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jaunte  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:22:09pm

re: #136 freetoken

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:23:05pm

re: #138 Eric The Fruit Bat

Uh, the comment isn’t quite private, you used the wrong bracket on the last private code.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:24:19pm

Might have been intentional. I don’t know.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:25:48pm

Ah, it be fixed now!

I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part!
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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:25:53pm

re: #139 jaunte

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If anything, this has opened up the floodgates of knowledge.

It’s always been this way, but if white folks want to work, they need to understand.

I’m sad, bewildered & disgusted.

I guess that’s racism 2015.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:26:02pm

Okay, I’m out. G’nite, lizards.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:27:42pm

re: #84 piratedan

It’s a like a perverse reverse Nixonian effect… we’ve “proven” that this stuff is wrong by citing actual sources and scientific fact and yet this crapola is faithfully trotted out as “fact” for the next time.

It’s difficult when the BEST mainstream source for actual events and news reporting is coming from The Comedy Network and HBO. The Newsroom laments what the media has become, but as CL has stated, they’re not really interested in news, just clicks as a means for ad revenue and if some actual factual reportage takes place, well that’s nice too, but otherwise, it’s horse race narrative and scandal mongering 24/7.

And the media “news” people HATED The Newsroom with the heat of a thousand suns. (They hate Aaron Sorkin because he truly has their number.)

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Unabogie  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:28:43pm
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jaunte  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:34:23pm
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William Lewis  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:41:45pm

My favorite instrumental metal band, Scale the Summit has a new album coming out. The first video is a hoot as they play with the images from the 80’s…

Scale the Summit - “Stolas” Official Music Video

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:41:48pm
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Jenner7  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:45:13pm

Ugh. Roorda is evil.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:50:39pm

re: #142 teleskiguy

One man’s futile action could be the turning point. Figuring that out, of course, is the ultimate fate of being the right person at the right place at the right time doing the right thing. Getting those four elements to line up, of course, well…..

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:52:33pm
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#FergusonFireside  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:53:29pm

Ugh. So done with the hateful people, our neighbors next door, hiding behind their accounts.

Novel time & clean crisp sheets - ahhhhhhhhh. Good night all, XXOO to all of you keeping me sane.

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Jenner7  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:55:25pm

This is a vigil for the nine year old girl shot an killed while doing homework in her home. Jamyla Bolden.

independent.co.uk

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No Depression  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:58:39pm

re: #150 Jenner7

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Ugh. Roorda is evil.

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BeachDem  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:58:44pm

re: #147 jaunte

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Wonkette writers have always had the best descriptions of Breitbart’s sites:

Doktor Zoom:
Dead Breitbart’s Refuge for Angry Nativists
Dead Breitbart’s Internet Refuge for Drooling Vipers
Dead Breitbart’s Foundation For Frothing Paranoia
Dead Breitbart’s Home For Unquenchable Paranoid Rage
Dead Breitbart’s Home For Patriots With F-150s But Dodge Rams And Silverados Are OK Too
Dead Breitbart’s Home For Spittle-Flecked Computer Monitors
Dead Breitbart’s Home For Perpetual Flogging of Deceased Equines
Dead Breitbart’s Home For Creative Assholery
Still Dead Andrew Breitbart’s Word Factory For The Dim And Uninteresting

Kaili Joy Gray
Dead Breitbart’s Intertubes For Coke-Addled Sobbing Subliterate Keyboard Monkeys

Dan Weber
Still Dead Andrew Breitbart’s Cyber Tickle Fest For Insecure Neckbeards
Still Dead Andrew Breitbart’s Word Factory For The Dim And Uninteresting

Gary Legum
Dead Breitbart’s Cocaine and Casket Emporium
Dead Breitbart’s Mausoleum for Cocaine-Fueled Rage Monkeys
Dead Breitbart’s Internet Crypt for Koala-Fondling Lechers

Bonus: Evan Hurst
John Nolte of Dead Breitbart, who, as we have scientifically established, is dumber than a knapsack full of syphilitic fucks

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:00:38pm

re: #151 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Jenner7  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:00:44pm

And here’s one for the man killed yesterday by StLpd. Mansur Ball-Bey. Only 18.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:03:54pm

re: #148 William Lewis

I don’t know if you’ve seen this mega-article on the Russian T-72 tank, but if you haven’t its worth a read. As an example, it lets you know just how much deadlier the T-72B models Putin’s proxies use in Ukraine are compared to those T-72 models that are fighting in Iraq and Syria Because it turns out that they are much tougher customers.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:05:41pm

re: #158 Jenner7

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And here’s one for the man killed yesterday by StLpd. Mansur Ball-Bey. Only 18.

Not the same thing though: One case is a little girl killed by gangbangers while doing her homework, the other is an asshat who pulled a gun on a cop and got shot dead for so doing.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:07:45pm
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Belafon  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:10:25pm

re: #161 teleskiguy

So much dust. I read about that in the Golden Compass.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:11:57pm

Private commenting to individual users at LGF. Adds a weird dynamic to the whole thing. I see a red button and I’m all like

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William Lewis  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:12:12pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

I hadn’t read that but it’s been common knowledge in the Armor Branch since the 80’s that the T-72’s sold world wide were, as the Russians call them, “Monkey Models” and nowhere near the same as the ones in Soviet/Pact service. I’ll look at that blog closer tomorrow after work.

You might find this interesting:

Inside the Tanks: The T-72 - AU Armour & Artillery Museum

as well as this about US WWII armor:

Myths of American Armor. TankFest Northwest 2015

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jaunte  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:13:04pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

I’ll try to be more open.

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jaunte  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:14:01pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

That makes me want to climb.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:15:58pm

re: #165 jaunte

I’ll try to be more open.

I plan on using the private private comment feature as little as possible. If someone comes to me with a private private comment, I’ll respond thus. The only time I’ll ever voluntarily use it is to share or inquire about personal information.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:17:44pm

re: #166 jaunte

That makes me want to climb.

Capitol Peak, outside of Aspen, about 10 or 15 miles as the crow flies from the Maroon Bells. I’ve never made the summit, both times I tried we had to turn around because of weather.

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WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:18:11pm

re: #156 BeachDem

Still Dead Andrew Breitbart’s Cyber Tickle Fest For Insecure Neckbeards

L. M. F. A. O. Seriously, that cracked me up completely.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:18:20pm

re: #166 jaunte

That makes me want to climb.

That makes me look for my NOPE button.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:19:39pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:21:27pm

re: #156 BeachDem

Dead Breitbart rave for self-hating gays who promote MRA’s to increase their chances of dates…

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:25:10pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:25:41pm

re: #171 Eric The Fruit Bat

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:26:54pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

IT’S A CLUE, FOLKS! Charles has never disclosed the meaning of the words “Little Green Footballs”. A piece of the conceptual continuity…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:27:47pm

i do enjoy my daily portion of wingnut-porn, but i also must have a book that i am currently reading, usually history

right now it’s a biography of mao, by ross terrill

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:30:51pm

re: #146 Unabogie

Oh, what’s that?
So now you say life sucks?
Well, ninety-nine percent of it’s
What you make of it…
So if your life sucks, you suck!

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William Lewis  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:31:48pm

Ah, well. Off to be a good little clerk. Later lizards.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:32:39pm

re: #176 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I’m re-reading Gibbons. This time I’m comparing his work with the work of later authors.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:35:28pm

re: #174 teleskiguy

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:36:18pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

Yeah-where DID the ‘Little Green Footballs’ moniker come about?

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Jenner7  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:37:31pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

Who said they had to be the same? And who says the police account is the true account?

I’m kinda baffled by your comment.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:37:39pm

re: #180 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:37:48pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:38:27pm

re: #181 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yeah-where DID the ‘Little Green Footballs’ moniker come about?

Nobody knows but Charles. It has something to do with something that happened to him when he was 20 years old in Japan.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:38:34pm

re: #179 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’m re-reading Gibbons. This time I’m comparing his work with the work of later authors.

decline & fall?

or, Centuries Worth of Fucked Up Emperors

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palomino  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:39:05pm

Even if he does have mostly white blood, so what? It has no impact on his work, the same way it didn’t affect Dolezal’s work. The problem with her was the lies she told to get to the top of a huge, longstanding well established organization. That doesn’t sound anything like what we’re dealing with in Shaun King’s case. And it’s irrelevant to the substance of the debate anyway.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:47:33pm

Stockholm Syndrome: Anna Duggar ‘partially blames herself’ for husband Josh cheating and using porn - while her mother-in-law Michelle’s top marriage tip is to NOT deny your spouse sex

The way Anna Duggar has been brainwashed and then mistreated makes Donald Trump like a feminist by comparison.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:47:45pm

re: #179 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’m re-reading Gibbons. This time I’m comparing his work with the work of later authors.

roman history can be really salacious and entertaining

one summer vacation, thinking i was engaging in some austere intellectual pursuit, my family teased me for reading suetonius

in actuality, suetonius was a gossip who wrote stories that would make the national enquirer blush, like tiberius having young boys trained to hold their breath under water long enough to fellate him while he was swimming

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Amory Blaine  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:51:58pm

Remember in the old days when it got real cold you’d have to get up in the middle of the night to start your car so it would start for work in the morning? “Just feather it or it’ll flood. Dammit you pressed down too far now it’s flooded!! Shut up I know what I’m doing, pass me the Pall Malls.”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:53:15pm

If I ever ran across an auto accident where Milo and a drug dealer were involved and I could only save one, I’d choose the drug dealer-he actually contributes to commerce.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:54:44pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:00:17pm

This is one of my favorite love songs.

Professor Longhair - Baby Let Me Hold Your Hand

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Reality Based Steve  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:04:05pm

re: #192 teleskiguy

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Video

And I’ll play the Red-Green Card.

Red Green Show Handyman Corner Forklift

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:09:44pm

re: #194 Fuzzy Bunny 06

“Cross-country skiing. It’s like downhill skiing with the fun removed.”

Ha ha ha!

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Reality Based Steve  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:14:12pm

Well, I’m off to bed. I’ll catch you all later on.

Keep your stick on the ice.

RBS

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:30:16pm

and how shall one address president trump??

‘your hairness’?

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:30:52pm

Remington Arms zings Hillary Clinton:

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:32:27pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

Do you approve or disapprove of this lame joke? Just wonderin’.

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jaunte  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:35:39pm

Astor Piazzola & Yo Yo Ma: Libertango
Piazzola Yo Yo Ma Libertango

Goodnight all.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:35:54pm

re: #199 teleskiguy

Do you approve or disapprove of this lame joke? Just wonderin’.

I approve. Remington made fun of someone who doesn’t like gun manufacturers very much, someone whom I don’t like much, and they did it without being nasty.

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Dexter's New Approach  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:36:26pm
My lovely dogs happiest day
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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:44:53pm

While I feel Remington’s riff on Hillary Clinton’s email woes funny and a clean hit, I don’t think Snake River Shooting Products should be literally giving nutty anti-drone sentiments ammunition:

Got a drone problem? Snake River Shooting Products has a drone solution. Snake River Shooting Products and Consulting Inc. has announced a new ammo line for 12-gauge shotguns designed for taking out low-flying drones, to defend against “drone-based privacy concerns and terror!”

Called Drone Munition, it’s not a new idea but it’s real, and it’s here, available now through Lucky Gunner. Currently offered in number 2 shot, SRSP is working on a second BB load. Both use SRSP’s “proprietary ferromagnetic ballistic payload” steel shot which can be used just about anywhere and definitely plays up on the ammo’s ability to mess up a drone.

“We are very excited to be manufacturing a product focused on defending our freedoms. We see this line as a game changer in the industry and as an important defense against rising threats to our way of life,” said Casey Betzold, Snake River president.

The article has links to Snake River and to Lucky Gunner in the quoted section, but I didn’t copy those over.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:47:20pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

To be clear, I don’t approve of this new shotgun ammo line. I feel it will encourage stupid people to shoot down drones, whereupon they’ll be charged with property destruction, and if they live in an urban or suburban area they’ll also likely pick up a charge of discharging a firearm inside city limits.

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The War TARDIS  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:52:52pm

Reading the book about the 9/11 Commission by Philip Shendon.

Seeing the way the Democrats were treated by the Bush Administration and their thugs in Congress has reminded me things haven’t changed that much.

I is making me very angry again. I really do hope I can help with the election next year, especially among Muslims. I think Muslim Lives in the US depend on getting a Democrat from President.

If Republicans win, they could allow for violence against American Muslims, like Narenda Modi did in Gujarat in 2002.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:56:20pm

re: #1 WhatEVs

This surprises no one. This is how the entirety of the right manages discourse. They attack because they have no other legs than the hate that drives their every thought and action.

This is their crutch.

This is how they roll.

Damn liberal media, they just print what Obama/HIllary tell them without question.

/

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:58:44pm
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Amory Blaine  Aug 20, 2015 • 9:59:03pm

5 States Where the Middle Class Is Being Destroyed

The clear winner (or loser) in the race to the bottom has been Wisconsin, losing 5.7% of its middle class households since 2000. Average median income has dropped by roughly $9,000 annually, and costs of living have gone up as well. There have also been many political battles that have not worked in the middle class’s favor. Governor Scott Walker gutted many of the state’s unions — which has a big effect on the middle class — and all signs seem to indicate that he will aim to implement similar policies. Like Ohio, Wisconsin’s makeup was particularly vulnerable to a recession, and the proof is in the numbers.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:16:47pm
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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:17:04pm

re: #205 The War TARDIS

I recall you saying you’re in Oklahoma now, so I’d wanted to ask what Muslims there have been saying about that anti-Muslim gun shop owner and his gang that can’t shoot straight.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:17:54pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

To be clear, I don’t approve of this new shotgun ammo line. I feel it will encourage stupid people to shoot down drones, whereupon they’ll be charged with property destruction, and if they live in an urban or suburban area they’ll also likely pick up a charge of discharging a firearm inside city limits.

How dare you deny free people their sense of agency? Just because this ammunition is available, it does not mean that people will be shooting down drones en masse, just like if guns are easily available does not mean that there will be mass shootings all over America on a regular basis!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:25:39pm

re: #197 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I’d much prefer “Hey, asshole!”.

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The War TARDIS  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:29:31pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

They have been concerned if he is okay or not.

Because of how I have been treated by Republicans in the past, I have taken delight in him hurting himself. I do this regularly. When Ted Haggard was revealed in 2006, I made a point to be needle the members of New Life Church the day after.

I still feel a need for revenge for how I was treated in the past. In spite of my friend who has apologized multiple times for how I was treated in the past, saying she despises the Tea Party, and and making efforts to make sure that, even though she works for a Republican Senator, that she has friends on both sides.

I see her as an exception at best, and a decietful liar at worse.

My image of Republicans these days is something akin to this.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:37:15pm

re: #213 The War TARDIS

I still feel a need for revenge

This song is for you, ProLifeLiberal.

Bastard Of Babylon

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:38:01pm

re: #212 GlutenFreeJesus

I’d much prefer “Hey, asshole!”.

i was just thinking of how i would demonstrate the non political correctness he calls for to the donald if i were ever to meet him face to face

it sounded something like that

“hey - dont look at me like that, trump! you were the one who said we dont have time for political correctness!

you vulgar fucking moron”

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:39:20pm

re: #213 The War TARDIS

I do hope that doesn’t include me and mine. I’ve never heard any member of my family shout “EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!” and besides, my particle cannon is in the shop. ;)

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Pip's Squeak  Aug 20, 2015 • 10:59:46pm

...

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The War TARDIS  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:18:34pm

Looking at this map, it looks like ISIS is losing ground.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:19:43pm

re: #218 The War TARDIS

That’s what I like to see.

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The War TARDIS  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:27:08pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

Unfortunately, They are gaining ground in Libya. Looks like they are trying to seize Az Zawiya from the Muslim Brotherhood.

It looks like the MB is losing ground now. The Nafusa Mountains now have access to the sea. And it looks like the Berbers may have gone over to the Government in Tobruk.

Fighting is still ongoing in Benghazi, Derna, Ajdabiya, and Brega.

ISIS is committing mass murder in Sirte though. The residents rose up, and killed their Imam. ISIS threatened to use poison gas on the population. There was an attack by an unknown party in response the the massacres on the 14th.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:28:26pm

re: #220 The War TARDIS

At this point I think things will still be a mess over there by the time my grandkids are my age. Damned shame too.

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Kragar  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:32:47pm
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The War TARDIS  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:38:20pm

re: #221 Eclectic Cyborg

Libya has existed, sort of, in one form or another for a while though.

Libya’s problems were started by the Muslim Brotherhood. The Libyan MB approved of the attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi 3 years ago. There are definite links between Ansar-al-Sharia, and the MB in the nation.

The GNC was perceived to be channeling government funding towards some Islamist armed groups and allowing others to operate with impunity. It was alleged that funding was particularly channeled towards the Libya Revolutionaries Operations Room, which Nouri Abusahmain set up himself.

In Benghazi, the GNC was perceived to be turning a blind eye to the expansion of armed Islamist groups, notably Ansar al-Sharia, the group linked to the assassination of the US ambassador to Libya in September 2012.[citation needed]

The GNC was believed by its opponents to be allowing Islamist groups to conduct assassinations, and kidnappings, especially in Benghazi. Prominent Islamist incidents in 2013-14 included the kidnapping of Prime Minister Ali Zeidan in October 2013, and the kidnapping of Egyptian diplomats in January 2014. Both incidents were carried out by the LROR.

In October 2013, following the kidnapping of the prime minister, Abusahmain used his presidency to change the agenda of the GNC in order to prevent a debate over disestablishing the LROR. At the same time, he cancelled a request to establish a committee to investigate the allocation, by Abusahmain himself, of 900 million Libyan Dinars (US $720 million) to the LROR and various other Islamist armed groups.[49] Instead, the LROR had its responsibilities reduced by the GNC but was allowed to continue to operate, and no one was prosecuted for the incident.

The kidnapping of Zeidan was believed to be a coup attempt supported by members of the GNC, who was viewed as too moderate (see: 2013 Libyan coup d’état attempt).

Nouri Abusahmain has been perceived by some as linked to the Muslim Brotherhood in particular, which he denies.[66]

In April 2014, an anti-terrorist training base called “Camp 27”, located between Tripoli and the Tunisian border, was taken over by forces fighting under the control of Abd al-Muhsin Al-Libi, also known as Ibrahim Tantoush,[67] a long-serving Al-Qaeda organizer and former member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group.[68] The Islamist forces at Camp 27 were subsequently been described as part of the Libya Shield Force.[69] The Libya Shield Force was already identified by some observers as linked to al-Qaeda as early as 2012.[70][71]

Although Islamists were outnumbered by Liberals and Centrists in the GNC, in May 2014 they lobbied for a law “banning virtually everyone who had participated in Qaddafi’s government from holding public office”. “Armed militiamen” stormed government ministries to demand the law’s passage. The law allowed Islamists to take power, removing from power several of their “key rivals”, mostly political moderates and technocrats who “had served at the end of Qaddafi’s reign”. Several months later in December, the GNC endorsed Sharia law and voted to extend its mandate.

I think that Nouri Abusahmain (President of the New GNC) , Khalifa al-Ghawi (PM of New GNC), and Sadiq Al-Ghariani should be tried for Treason against Libya.

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The War TARDIS  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:43:20pm

re: #221 Eclectic Cyborg

Reports of what happened in Sirte are sketchy. They have been cut off from the internet, and death toll numbers I have seen have been from 38 to 150+.

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The War TARDIS  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:48:13pm

The US and NATO are failing LIbya.

We may be limited in what we could do for the Mashriq, but Libya could be saved. There is a government we can support.

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teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2015 • 11:49:39pm

Current day: Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Alaska and Washington, D.C. allow cannabis possession and consumption.

Don’t drive like Cheech and Chong did, you’ll get in trouble!

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2015 • 12:00:54am
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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2015 • 12:20:13am

re: #226 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Current day: Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Alaska and Washington, D.C. allow cannabis possession and consumption.

Don’t drive like Cheech and Chong did, you’ll get in trouble!

I wonder why California is still holding out.

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Jack Burton  Aug 21, 2015 • 12:22:25am

re: #226 teleskiguy

Don’t drive like Cheech and Chong did, you’ll get in trouble!

And don’t say “HOLA BEN-DEC-OS!” to Latinos either, especially if you just drove your van into their yard.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2015 • 1:38:50am

re: #228 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I wonder why California is still holding out.

Because it would be overrun even more that it is now.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 1:44:29am

And the ruble dropped a little bit more.

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 2:36:40am
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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 2:42:20am

re: #231 Nyet

iea.org

iea.org

Increased efficiency in the OECD and the end of the war premium (brought to us by George Bush) has killed the petroleum crude market.

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 2:44:11am

The Great Recession had something to do with that too.

They are related causes by the way, not totally independent.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2015 • 2:45:07am

You know, all the stuff that has come out recently about the Duggars might be enough to convince me that there’s a God, or, at the very least, Karma.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 2:49:01am

re: #235 Timothy Watson

You know, all the stuff that has come out recently about the Duggars might be enough to convince me that there’s a God, or, at the very least, Karma.

And that the God or Karma are real slowpokes. /

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Alyosha  Aug 21, 2015 • 2:53:29am

re: #235 Timothy Watson

You know, all the stuff that has come out recently about the Duggars might be enough to convince me that there’s a God, or, at the very least, Karma.

The cosmic joke involves molested sisters and spurned wives so I guess it does has an Old Testament vibe to it… Unfunny but kind of predictable.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 2:54:32am

re: #237 Alyosha

Or something from Greek mythology.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 2:56:25am

You know what really needs changing, if anything?

The natural born status requirement.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 21, 2015 • 2:59:36am

re: #239 Nyet

You know what really needs changing, if anything?

The natural born status requirement.

To run for POTUS? Yeah, I think the danger of some Englishman moving here, becoming President, and putting us back under British rule has passed. That was the motivation, ridiculous even then. I’d much rather have Schwarzenegger than Trump, anyway.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:01:30am

re: #240 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s based on antiquated, illogical and plain weird ideas about “allegiance”.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:03:03am

It’s plain as day that people like, say, Madeleine Albright should be able to run for President.

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Alyosha  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:09:42am

re: #240 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

To run for POTUS? Yeah, I think the danger of some Englishman moving here, becoming President, and putting us back under British rule has passed. That was the motivation, ridiculous even then. I’d much rather have Schwarzenegger than Trump, anyway.

I’ve always wanted to write a short fan-fic where Barack Obama retires, moves to Australia, sets up shop in a hotly contested but conservative, rural parliamentary seat in Queensland, naturally wins and ends up wresting the Prime Ministership away in an immediate leadership spill and then runs and wins again and again until, at age 90, he heeds America’s call and returns to the White House again.

He’ll only the the third PM in a row to have not been naturally born ;)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:11:12am

re: #241 Nyet

It’s based on antiquated, illogical and plain weird ideas about “allegiance”.

And citizenship. Great Britain considered any child of a British father to be a British citizen.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:20:00am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And citizenship. Great Britain considered any child of a British father to be a British citizen.

Well, and any sailor on a passing American ship who “looked English” could be pressed into service in the Royal Navy.

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Jayleia  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:20:22am

Damn you Kragar.

I’ve been playing with your anti-vaxxer chew toy from earlier…err yesterday.

Dude is a special kind of stupid, and he finally got an emotional reaction out of me when the fucker posted some “vaccine porn” of some children supposedly affected by vaccines.

I want to punch things now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:42:07am

re: #246 Jayleia

Damn you Kragar.

I’ve been playing with your anti-vaxxer chew toy from earlier…err yesterday.

Dude is a special kind of stupid, and he finally got an emotional reaction out of me when the fucker posted some “vaccine porn” of some children supposedly affected by vaccines.

I want to punch things now.

Your own fault for getting into a “discussion” with people like that. It is all about pushing buttons, and he found yours.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:44:52am

Argument from emotion is a fallacy.

Images of kids suffering are horrible, but they don’t tell anything about why they are suffering, or what is the big picture.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:46:56am

The anti-vaxer movement results from an odd symbiosis between anti-western medicine, anti-big pharma moonbats on one hand and anti-big government, anti-science wingnuts on the other. Put them together and you quickly reach critical derp.

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Jayleia  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:47:12am

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I know.

I also know I used to be…a little too big of a fan of that sort of pseudo-science (hey, I was a kid, and I had no platform to shout my stupidity).

I got better, I keep hoping that something I say to one of them might point them toward actual science.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:48:34am

re: #250 Jayleia

I know.

I also know I used to be…a little too big of a fan of that sort of pseudo-science (hey, I was a kid, and I had no platform to shout my stupidity).

I got better, I keep hoping that something I say to one of them might point them toward actual science.

Please come to realize that there is no arguing with these people anymore. We can only hope to limit the amount of damage they cause.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 3:54:28am

Meanwhile Shaun King’s diary has gathered 914+ updings. Certainly one of the most top rated diaries ever. And given that DKos is the Bernieland, most of them are from Sanders supporters.

Whatever else you can say about them, I don’t want to hear any more collective accusations of them as bigots, etc. It’s clearly not true.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:06:46am

re: #236 Nyet

And that the God or Karma are real slowpokes. /

True, but the thing that kinda cinched it for me was the fact that he edited the press release removing the references to his pornography addiction and the molestation of his sisters.

Because no one’s seen the original and made a copy of it, right?

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:08:30am

re: #253 Timothy Watson

Of course not, it’s in the memory hole.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:09:38am

re: #253 Timothy Watson

Now Duggar will probably start a campaign against porn.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:13:47am

Ah Georgie.

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Jayleia  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:14:14am

re: #253 Timothy Watson

It’s like he thinks pr0n “addiction” is something to avoid talking about…OK, it is. But I guess that means he thinks that is worse than fcking other people behind your spouse’s back? WTF?
And that he seems to think the pr0n addiction needs to be avoided like his…problems with his sisters.
But he’ll talk about banging non-wife women.

That boy has some seriously mixed up priorities.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:18:30am

re: #257 Jayleia

It was clearly an implicit excuse: “I got addicted to porn! Through no fault of my own! This led to adultery! Devil made me do it!”.

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William Lewis  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:29:01am

re: #246 Jayleia

Damn you Kragar.

I’ve been playing with your anti-vaxxer chew toy from earlier…err yesterday.

Dude is a special kind of stupid, and he finally got an emotional reaction out of me when the fucker posted some “vaccine porn” of some children supposedly affected by vaccines.

I want to punch things now.

Post back pictures of the grave stones of 2 to 5 year olds, 99.99% of whom would have lived to adulthood with vaccines.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:37:16am

Russia.

(NSFW!)

Image: _kgetJoqq_4.jpg

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:44:16am

So, shubokhranilishche is now also a thing in English.

bloombergview.com

The money didn’t just go down the drain. Anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny documented the construction of an enormous estate for Yakunin near Moscow, including a special facility to store fur coats (the Russian name for it, shubokhranilischche, became a popular meme to describe Putin-era corruption).

Some of our words are as bad as German ;)

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:49:06am

re: #256 Nyet

ISN’T THE CONFEDERATE FLAG RACIST?
No way!

The Confederate Flag HAS been used by a small amount of people to incite racism, however, it has not become a symbol of racism. You cannot assume everyone who flies a Confederate Flag is racist in

LOL.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:49:58am

Oh hai Lizardim!
Last night Zedushka woke me up around midnight, saying “SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAPPENED!”

I was like OMG are the kids & grandkids all right, did my mother pass away, are the police here?

He was like “you know that bottle of Perrier you put in the fridge? Well it got frozen in the back of the fridge and exploded and there is green glass and Perrier slush everywhere.”

I was like “you woke me up for this?”

He was like “Can you clean it up?”

At that point I was ready to take the broken glass and put it in his shoes.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:52:00am

re: #263 The Vicious Babushka

Oh hai Lizardim!
Last night Zedushka woke me up around midnight, saying “SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAPPENED!”

I was like OMG are the kids & grandkids all right, did my mother pass away, are the police here?

He was like “you know that bottle of Perrier you put in the fridge? Well it got frozen in the back of the fridge and exploded and there is green glass and Perrier slush everywhere.”

I was like “you woke me up for this?”

He was like “Can you clean it up?”

At that point I was ready to take the broken glass and put it in his shoes.

Thirst world problems.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:53:51am

I’ve learned the hard way never to let anything touch the back wall of the refrigerator.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 4:53:55am
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Bass Reeves  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:02:18am

re: #252 Nyet

A plethora of Bernie supporters spend a couple of weeks crapping on BLM folks (including telling anti-police brutality activists that they should be tazed), then support a biracial BLM activist only after he spills very personal family secrets, and now they’re cool? Give me a break. Look, if DKOS and here are the only place you see Bernie supporters, that’s on you. But I’ve been on sites that have a slight darker demographic than LGF, and they (Bernie-ites) were telling all us black folk why we should be so angry at Shaun because he took an education right away from us and duped Oprah in the process! In fact, that Shaun had to expose that about his family background to gain the approval of progressives infuriates me, when the attack was coming from some of the most bigoted, racist cesspools in the media.

Granted, to put my rant in perspective, that has no bearing on whether or not I’ll vote for Bernie, but his supporters aren’t magically not bigots now.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:04:21am

re: #267 Bass Reeves

That’s bullshit. Some supporters are bigots, some are not. I wrote that I don’t want to hear any collective accusations, not that there aren’t any bigots there.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:07:31am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:08:51am

re: #268 Nyet

That’s bullshit. Some supporters are bigots, some are not. I wrote that I don’t want to hear any collective accusations, not that there aren’t any bigots there.

I agree. Trying to label all (or the majority or a “plethora”) of Bernie supporters as bigots is no different from that BLM agitator that labeled the entire progressive populous of Seattle as “White Supremacists” and “racist”. It’s fucking bullshit.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:12:08am

Speaking of which….

The #BLM agitator, i.e., teabagger fraud
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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:15:25am

re: #270 Dr. Matt

Or not different than negatively labeling all BLM agitators on the basis of two shitheads disrupting Bernie’s rally.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:15:53am

re: #272 Nyet

Or not different than negatively labeling all BLM agitators on the basis of two shitheads disrupting his rally.

Agreed

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Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:27:49am

Always wanted to join a plethora, but never could get past the morals test. Off to (quietly) agitate. BBL.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:27:55am

Some good news — my congressman, Jerrold Nadler, who’s district is said to include the largest Jewish population in the country, has announced he will support the nuclear deal with Iran.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:30:34am

re: #268 Nyet

Well that makes no sense. There is no change in the nature of his supporters over the last two days, so if they were collectively bigots before, they are now. I don’t think I called them collectively bigots, just pointed out that they are SUPER quick to dismiss the PoV and experience of black people, and even attack them when they felt their candidate was threatened. Like calling all BLM people agitators because a rally got interrupted.

And Dr. Matt, calm down. You absolutely did not listen to audio of the event, you didn’t listen to the interview Marissa gave afterward (She actually specifically referred to the people booing her, calling for violence against her, flipping her off during the moment of silence, not ALL PROGRESSIVES). And Seattle doesn’t actually HAVE the super racial equality that you seem to think it does, which you might have found out if you had done a simple google search. In fact, Seattle might be the textbook case of the divide in perceptions between black and white progressives, where the white progressives overestimate how racially cool they are.

But you go ahead and get upset about a picture of a ‘white tears’ t-shirt, I mean it’s just as bad as being the target of systemic racial inequality for a couple hundred years.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:32:20am

re: #276 Bass Reeves

There is no change in the nature of his supporters over the last two days, so if they were collectively bigots before, they are now

LOL, whatever, dude.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:33:52am
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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:35:44am

re: #256 Nyet

Ah, logic like that resulted in Trayvon being murdered at his hands. Because George could.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:37:17am

re: #279 lawhawk

You gotta love how he is preparing for “war”. What war, one may ask. “Race war”, by any chance?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:45:01am

re: #276 Bass Reeves

And Dr. Matt, calm down. You absolutely did not listen to audio of the event, you didn’t listen to the interview Marissa gave afterward

For fuck’s sake, don’t you ever speak on my behalf. I watched the video, heard her bigoted racist screeching as she labeled the ENTIRE city of Seattle as “white supremacists” and “racist” and then I also listened to her radio interview where she doubled-down. She’s a bigoted asshole and is a bad representative for a good movement. She sounds no different than a teabagger….she didn’t get her way so she lashed out with bullshit vile insults. You’re embarrassing yourself for apologizing for the twit.

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:46:24am

Meanwhile, you can just hear the glee from right wingers here in the US as they look over to Europe and how they’re dealing with refugees from the Syrian civil war.

Closing borders, fencing, and firing stun grenades at those trying to escape horrid conditions.

These people have been victimized at every step - first by the Syrian regime, then every country that they’ve sought refuge from.

This is what the right wing thinks of when they think of a militarized border. They want this kind of outcome. What price to the soul of a nation to engage in these acts? Rather than trying to act humanely and civilly, some of these European countries are turning their backs on those in need.

Which is exactly how the GOP acts these days.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:46:27am

re: #256 Nyet

Ah Georgie.

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Where exactly does the Constitution state that the 2A was written to protect the 1A?

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:46:36am

Oppression does not justify shitty behavior. Thatisall.

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:49:39am

re: #283 Dr. Matt

The TP constitution. In crayon.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:49:56am

re: #282 lawhawk

Meanwhile, you can just hear the glee from right wingers here in the US as they look over to Europe and how they’re dealing with refugees from the Syrian civil war.

Closing borders, fencing, and firing stun grenades at those trying to escape horrid conditions.

[Embedded content]

These people have been victimized at every step - first by the Syrian regime, then every country that they’ve sought refuge from.

This is what the right wing thinks of when they think of a militarized border. They want this kind of outcome. What price to the soul of a nation to engage in these acts? Rather than trying to act humanely and civilly, some of these European countries are turning their backs on those in need.

Which is exactly how the GOP acts these days.

And then the screaming HURR HURR WHY ISN’T OBAMA DOING SOMETHING FOR TEH POOR CHRISTIAN SYRIAN VICTIMS OF ISIS!!!!! ignoring that most victims of ISIS are….Muslim.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:50:55am

Shitty behavior:

*Joe Wilson interrupting the POTUS during the State of the Union and yelling “you lie”

*The Daily Caller “reporter” interrupting the POTUS during a rose-garden speech.

*The Seattle BLM agitators shutting down Bernie’s event then calling everyone a “white supremacist”

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:53:31am

re: #286 The Vicious Babushka

Most victims of IS, AQ, and other Islamic terror groups are Muslim. Their targets are frequently mosques and areas where Muslims congregate because the terror groups see these other Muslims as apostate and not following the true path - their path.

That’s why we’ve seen IS carrying out all manner of attacks on Muslims - whether it’s stringing them up on roadsides as punishment, or attacking sites of Muslim heritage (much as the Taliban did).

It’s true that some high profile attacks have been against Christians or non Muslims, but the majority of those killed have been Muslims. Muslims are the ones who have suffered most from the terror attacks and IS - and the Syrian civil war and situation in Iraq is a conflict that has killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims of all denominations (Sunni and Shia).

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:55:26am

Incredibly perky CNN reporter tours Banky’s incredibly depressing Dismalan theme park. HilarityBleakness ensues:

New Banksy ‘Dismaland’ theme park launch

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:57:39am

re: #289 De Kolta Chair

I like it, even if the idea is so old it’s not even moldy now.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2015 • 5:59:19am

If this is true, this perfectly aligns with cult-like behavior:

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:03:26am

re: #290 Nyet

I like it, even if the idea is so old it’s not even moldy now.

It does have a nice morbid Charles Addams vibe. And there’s this:

Mike Ross’ Big Rig Jig exhibited at Burning Man, hence the unBritish palm trees
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:04:43am

re: #4 teleskiguy

Hard to blame Shaun King. Have you seen America these last 6 years. Being a white male sucks. #blackprivilege
— John Nolte

Why does being a white male suck, exactly?

I’m one, and I’ve had it pretty well. For a long time.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:06:04am

re: #292 De Kolta Chair

Truckoboros!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:06:30am

re: #293 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It only sucks if you’re John Nolte.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:06:33am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

If this is true, this perfectly aligns with cult-like behavior:

Maybe she’s put on a pound or two, didn’t want to have sex that one time.

////

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:07:18am

re: #295 GlutenFreeJesus

It only sucks if you’re John Nolte.

As miserable a human being as I’ve seen. Truly unhappy. Needs help.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:07:45am

re: #292 De Kolta Chair

More photos:

meduza.io

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:08:09am

re: #295 GlutenFreeJesus

It only sucks if you’re John Nolte.

Being John Nolte is a neverending nightmare.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:11:21am

re: #295 GlutenFreeJesus

It only sucks if you’re John Nolte.

At first I read that as Nick Nolte.

And in his world mute is code for… ?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:17:41am

re: #300 De Kolta Chair

Now might be a good time to mute me.
— John Nolte

There’s never a bad time.

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:18:02am

My personal opinion on Shaun King’s past is this: If, for one second, you decided that King had to explain and justify himself due to an accusation made by a Breitbart affiliated site, you need to seriously consider what you think about minorities. He should never have had to write that post on Daily Kos, and he did it as much to answer those of you “on his side” as the right. When he needed people to defend him, a lot of you went “But what if it’s true?”

Bullshit.

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:20:13am

re: #303 Belafon

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:20:29am

I spied a bike rider yesterday wearing a t-shirt that read “Bernie’s Back!” Either I was unaware that Rep. Sanders had been away on a long voyage, or scientists have cloned the late great Bernie Mac.

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:22:20am

re: #298 Nyet

More photos:

meduza.io

I love the one of the woman getting swarmed by pigeons.

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sagehen  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:23:00am

re: #275 De Kolta Chair

Some good news — my congressman, Jerrold Nadler, who’s district is said to include the largest Jewish population in the country, has announced he will support the nuclear deal with Iran.

Jerrold Nadler, whose district said to be the most liberal in the country (in 2012, we went 73.6% for Obama), has announced he will support his President’s signature foreign policy.

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:24:04am

#303 lawhawk:

I’d rec that if I could, but we’re still on IE9 at work, and I can’t visit twitter either.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:25:34am
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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:25:52am

re: #308 Belafon

Asking for a friend, no wait, myself: Do you need to be black in order to support aim of #BlackLivesMatter demanding reform of law/LE? A:No

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:29:28am

This story got a “WTF” out of me:

Teenager gang raped before sister gouged her eyes out in horrifying exorcism ritual

A TEENAGER has allegedly been brutally raped by a group of men as part of a religious cleansing before the victim’s own sister grouged her eyes out with a sharp knife.

The disturbing exorcism ritual has left the 16-year-old girl fighting for her life in hospital after the horrific ordeal.

Her family maintain they were trying to save her by purging a devil from the teenager’s body after she ‘saw goats that weren’t there’.

[…]

I have no idea if the story is true or not. I do know though that humans believe a lot of stupid things.

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:32:48am

#310 lawhawk:

Thanks for the extra effort. I should have said, I can see the text of the tweet, but I can’t go on twitter to favorite it. At work, we get a white box with the text and links, but none of the buttons or icons for favoriting or retweeting.

Had I been able to get on twitter, I would have favorited your link.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:33:35am

re: #311 freetoken

Seems like a legit story, judging by other sources reporting it.

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:34:38am

re: #256 Nyet

Ah Georgie.

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Placing writing about the US Constitution on a flag that represented treason against that same Constitution?

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:43:57am

re: #256 Nyet

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:44:43am

re: #311 freetoken

This story got a “WTF” out of me:

It seems to be going around. Here’s three other recent similar sad tales from the redoubtable Doubtful News:

Woman stabbed to death in apparent exorcism attempt. Regarding Morgan Freeman’s late step-grandaughter.

Suffocation death by rosary. Francesca Martire, 61, is accused of stuffing a rosary down her the throat of her 93-year old mother in an attempt to ‘cleanse’ her of evil spirits on May 27.

Tragic case of infanticide; mother claimed baby was “possessed”.

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:45:29am

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

You know things are bad when Darth Vader facepalms
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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:48:47am

In light of what Shaun King is going through, take a good look at that photo. A real good look.

That skin color doesn’t matter.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:51:08am

re: #316 De Kolta Chair

They should get religious exemption, acc. to the wingnut logic.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:56:10am

re: #315 lawhawk

He’s just supporting our troops! Why aren’t YOU?!!1!

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:57:09am

Lighting his hair on fire is more like it. Spouting off insanities and the crowd lapping it up.

Of course, Jeb’s solution is to douse his own exhibit on fire and ramble incoherently too, throwing his wife and kids under the bus at the same time (with the birthright citizenship BS).

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:57:28am

re: #315 lawhawk

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:57:59am

re: #213 The War TARDIS

Sorry, but Republicans can *never* be as cool as Daleks.

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 6:58:10am

re: #320 De Kolta Chair

Supporting the troops how exactly, by flying the flag of treasonous insurrectionists?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:06:54am

re: #321 lawhawk

KEENE, N.H. — Jeb Bush is the student at the science fair who spent months on his project, making charts and crafting an intricate display, only to be eclipsed by the kid a few tables over lighting stuff on fire.

Some people just want to see the world burn.

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sagehen  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:07:12am
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Belafon  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:08:06am

#318 lawhawk:

What mattered was that Houser went out and organized, rode on the buses, and challenged those around him.

As for Shaun’s skin color, when whites needed him to be black, he was black, and got beat up for it as a kid. But suddenly, when whites needed him to not be black, he magically became white.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:14:32am
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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:22:26am

re: #328 Dave In Austin

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That’s just ghastly.

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Teukka  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:29:27am

re: #329 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

That’s just ghastly.

Though strangely accurate in it’s depiction…

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:32:23am

Cuteness break. Family in Rockaway NJ looks out back and finds a bear and her cubs all frolicking in their pool and on their kids’ play set.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:33:41am

These people do so not get it==>

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A Mom Anon  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:38:30am

re: #332 The Vicious Babushka

They weren’t fined for discrimination if I’m remembering correctly ( with the way my life has been going I could be entirely wrong, so forgive me if that’s the case), they were sued for making sure the same sex couple who was trying to adopt children was harassed and threatened by giving out their names and address.

Sending a cake to LGBT groups with a message of hate the sin love the sinner is a crappy attitude/ publicity stunt. Nothing more.

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BeachDem  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:40:38am

re: #240 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

To run for POTUS? Yeah, I think the danger of some Englishman moving here, becoming President, and putting us back under British rule has passed. That was the motivation, ridiculous even then. I’d much rather have Schwarzenegger than Trump, anyway.

And I repeat the two words I said yesterday—Rupert Murdoch.

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allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:42:41am

re: #333 A Mom Anon

They weren’t fined for discrimination if I’m remembering correctly ( with the way my life has been going I could be entirely wrong, so forgive me if that’s the case), they were sued for making sure the same sex couple who was trying to adopt children was harassed and threatened by giving out their names and address.

Sending a cake to LGBT groups with a message of hate the sin love the sinner is a crappy attitude/ publicity stunt. Nothing more.

It’s condescending bullshit.

Edited to remove unrelated stuff.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:43:09am

re: #333 A Mom Anon

They weren’t fined for discrimination if I’m remembering correctly ( with the way my life has been going I could be entirely wrong, so forgive me if that’s the case), they were sued for making sure the same sex couple who was trying to adopt children was harassed and threatened by giving out their names and address.

Sending a cake to LGBT groups with a message of hate the sin love the sinner is a crappy attitude/ publicity stunt. Nothing more.

They are sending the “love cakes” and a hate video==>

He added, “I’d like to ask Melissa’s accusers: Would they bake a cake for a wedding where lion meat would be served at the reception? I think most animal-lovers wouldn’t do it, not because they hated the couple, but because it would be condoning something that compromised their deeply held convictions. They simply believe that eating lion meat is morally wrong. Christians love gay people, but to lend support to a same-sex wedding is to compromise deeply held convictions.”

WHUT? That is TEH MOAST RIDICULOSE ANALOGY I HAVE HEARD YET.

Each package sent by the Klein couple has a cake, DVD and a letter with this message:

“Hello, we are Aaron and Melissa Klein. We’re the bakers who declined to create a cake for a same-sex wedding and were ordered to pay $135,000. We want you to know that our actions were not motivated by hatred, and we personally baked this cake as a small token of our love.

Enclosed is an award-winning movie that further expresses our feelings. I would be honored if you would watch it (it’s also freely available online ataudacitymovie.com).

WATCH THIS VIDEO THAT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH YOU WILL SUFFER IN HELL FOR ALL TIME IN JESUS LOVING NAME AMEN

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Dark_Falcon  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:44:55am

re: #331 lawhawk

Cuteness break. Family in Rockaway NJ looks out back and finds a bear and her cubs all frolicking in their pool and on their kids’ play set.

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5 cubs is a lot for one birthing for a bear. And as cute as the footage may be, it belies the real danger that occurs when bear families get close to human homes: It entirely possible someone will come upon said bears accidentally and then either get hurt by the mother bear as she acts to protect her cubs, or said human will shoot the bear sow dead for attacking to protect her cubs.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:46:22am

Deray, Nettta, Brittany, Sam have launched a project:

Campaign Zero

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:47:26am

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

“Enclosed is an award-winning movie that further expresses our feelings.

What is it with wingnuts and “award-winning” stuff claims?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:48:37am

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

He added, “I’d like to ask Melissa’s accusers: Would they bake a cake for a wedding where lion meat would be served at the reception?

Wingnuts still butthurt about people having feelings about Leo the Lion.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:49:07am

re: #339 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What is it with wingnuts and “award-winning” stuff claims?

What is it with wingnuts and fucked up “analogies”?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:50:20am

re: #341 The Vicious Babushka

What is it with wingnuts and fucked up “analogies”?

I don’t know, let me go to CCJ’s Twitter account and ask….

Oh wait

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:50:58am

re: #340 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Wingnuts still butthurt about people having feelings about Leo the Lion.

The answer to that is Your job is to bake the cake with regular ingredients you use for all your other cakes, not fantasize about the rest of the menu, which btw includes chopped fetusbabbymeatballs

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:52:38am

re: #343 The Vicious Babushka

The answer to that is Your job is to bake the cake with regular ingredients you use for all your other cakes, not fantasize about the rest of the menu, which btw includes chopped fetusbabbymeatballs

Weddings featuring lion meat on the menu are also not classes of people. But you know, analogies.

These people….

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:53:13am

re: #343 The Vicious Babushka

The answer to that is Your job is to bake the cake with regular ingredients you use for all your other cakes, not fantasize about the rest of the menu, which btw includes chopped fetusbabbymeatballs

Yur saying we are slaves then!!!!1 Worse than slavery!!

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:54:41am

re: #339 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What is it with wingnuts and “award-winning” stuff claims?

Create an award, give it to someone you really like, BINGO award winning. Create your own reality when the real reality doesn’t conform.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:55:19am

re: #345 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yur saying we are slaves then!!!!1 Worse than slavery!!

I saw that just as this meme flashed across #tcot==>

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allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:55:20am

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

5 cubs is a lot for one birthing for a bear. And as cute as the footage may be, it belies the real danger that occurs when bear families get close to human homes: It entirely possible someone will come upon said bears accidentally and then either get hurt by the mother bear as she acts to protect her cubs, or said human will shoot the bear sow dead for attacking to protect her cubs.

We actually share this planet with a whole lot of other species that have as much right to it as we do. They are, in fact, essential to our survival. This family did exactly the right thing: they left the bears alone. No confrontation was required. The bears were no threat as long as they weren’t threatened and even then they would try to escape first.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:56:50am

Classy Dim Jim calls Pope Francis a “Commie”==>

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aagcobb  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:57:19am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

I saw that just as this meme flashed across #tcot==>

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Written by a guy who has never been hungry or homeless.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:58:39am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

I saw that just as this meme flashed across #tcot==>

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Slave holders educated their slaves? Gave them time off from the fields to go to school each day?

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2015 • 7:59:27am

re: #351 Eventual Carrion

Slave holders educated their slaves? Gave them time off from the fields to go to school each day?

O’Rourke is usually pretty funny, but he missed that one by a mile.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:02:26am

re: #322 De Kolta Chair

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Well, that’s kind of true.

Nothing more peaceful than a graveyard.

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allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:02:38am

re: #350 aagcobb

Written by a guy who has never been hungry or homeless.

And one who fails to recognize that his wealth and well being are protected by the needs of his neighbors being met.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:03:18am

re: #315 lawhawk

George Zimmerman is still young enough to enlist in the Army, Navy, or Coast Guard. Doing so is an excellent way to prepare for war.

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Archangelus  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:03:50am

re: #328 Dave In Austin

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Highly accurate. And equally disturbing…

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:03:56am

re: #323 Feline Fearless Leader

Sorry, but Republicans can *never* be as cool as Daleks.

I’ve always regarded the Daleks as the most human of all the Doctor’s foes.

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:04:30am

I hope the popcorn harvest is a big one this fall:

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Archangelus  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:05:37am

re: #358 freetoken

I hope the popcorn harvest is a big one this fall:

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Methinks we’re all well stocked at this point.

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:06:23am
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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:06:47am

Wild time in Alabama, indeed.

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Franklin  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:06:54am

re: #338 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Deray, Nettta, Brittany, Sam have launched a project:

Campaign Zero

BUT THEY HAVE NO POLICY IDEAS.
THEY JUST WANT TO SHOUT!!!

BUT THEY HAVE NO POLICY IDEAS.
THEY JUST WANT TO SHOUT!!!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:06:57am

re: #357 Romantic Heretic

Especially the Cult of Skaro.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:08:10am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

Classy Dim Jim calls Pope Francis a “Commie”==>

Dim Jim, getting dimmer.

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:09:48am

Ladd-Peebles stadium reportedly holds 50,000 for concert events.

Will Trump fill it tonight?

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allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:10:00am

re: #360 freetoken

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Now Trump is trying to channel Fallwell?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:12:37am

re: #358 freetoken

Jeb Bush signed memo saying not to use the term “anchor babies,” offensive. Now he wants to use it because I use it. Stay true to yourself!
— Donald J. Trump

Whut?

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Franklin  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:13:12am

re: #367 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Whut?

ME TARZAN. YOU JANE. JEB SIGN MEMO.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:14:03am

re: #362 Franklin

“Why are these people making policy recommendations? They don’t know anything about policy or politics. Did they even graduate?”

/

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:15:13am

re: #368 Franklin

Is there an actual memo somewhere or is The Donald just funning?

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:15:47am

re: #366 allegro

Now Trump is trying to channel Fallwell?

He’s doing better than the likes of Fallwell ever did. The Civic Center down there only holds 2,000 people and those tickets flew out the doors, so Trump moved it to the stadium.

Since it’s a ticketed event there will be a door count so we should know how many people show up.

I’m guessing 10,000.

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Franklin  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:16:12am

re: #370 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is there an actual memo somewhere or is The Donald just funning?

The only memo I have on my desk is that there is a new cover letter for TPS reports.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:18:17am

re: #371 freetoken

He’s doing better than the likes of Fallwell ever did. The Civic Center down there only holds 2,000 people and those tickets flew out the doors, so Trump moved it to the stadium.

Since it’s a ticketed event there will be a door count so we should know how many people show up.

I’m guessing 10,000.

THAT’S YOOOOOGE

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allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:18:35am

re: #370 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is there an actual memo somewhere or is The Donald just funning?

With the significant assistance of the media Trump is setting the terms and tone of the “debate” and he knows it. His ego demands that he crow about it.

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:21:52am

Shocking. I know.

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BeachDem  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:22:16am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

I saw that just as this meme flashed across #tcot==>

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The whole quote from O’Rourke—doesn’t make it 100% better, but at least puts those lines in context of the point he was trying to make.

“Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered. It’s not entitlement. An entitlement is what people on welfare get, and how free are they? It’s not an endlessly expanding list of rights — the “right” to education, the “right” to food and housing. That’s not freedom, that’s dependency. Those aren’t rights, those are the rations of slavery — hay and a barn for human cattle. There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences.”

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:23:28am

The next “debate”, the one at the Reagan library temple, is just a bit over 3 weeks away.

Trump will of course be front and center. But I wonder which of the minor candidates will get bumped from the main stage. The establishment wants Fiorina up there, and it appears as if they will get their wish, if she bumps Christie as she does now in the polls.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:24:51am

re: #376 BeachDem

The whole quote from O’Rourke—doesn’t make it 100% better, but at least puts those lines in context of the point he was trying to make.

“Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered. It’s not entitlement. An entitlement is what people on welfare get, and how free are they? It’s not an endlessly expanding list of rights — the “right” to education, the “right” to food and housing. That’s not freedom, that’s dependency. Those aren’t rights, those are the rations of slavery — hay and a barn for human cattle. There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences.”

How much more “free” would people be if they didn’t have “food” “housing” or the education to improve themselves? Unless by “freedom” you mean “dead”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:25:48am

re: #377 freetoken

The next “debate”, the one at the Reagan library temple, is just a bit over 3 weeks away.

Trump will of course be front and center. But I wonder which of the minor candidates will get bumped from the main stage. The establishment wants Fiorina up there, and it appears as if they will get their wish, if she bumps Christie as she does now in the polls.

Christie getting bumped down to the kiddie table?

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Iwouldprefernotto  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:26:12am

re: #377 freetoken

The next “debate”, the one at the Reagan library temple, is just a bit over 3 weeks away.

Trump will of course be front and center. But I wonder which of the minor candidates will get bumped from the main stage. The establishment wants Fiorina up there, and it appears as if they will get their wish, if she bumps Christie as she does now in the polls.

Yes please. Carly has less chance of begging POTUS than Trump. They do have a lot in common when it comes to ruining businesses.

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BeachDem  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:30:05am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

How much more “free” would people be if they didn’t have “food” “housing” or the education to improve themselves? Unless by “freedom” you mean “dead”

Oh, I’m not defending his line of thinking—I think he’s a rather unfunny, not-very-good writer with a warped worldview, but I think the last two lines define his basic view of things (which at least adds the idea of consequences to the usual Libertarian utopia):

There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences.”

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:30:25am

re: #331 lawhawk

Cuteness break. Family in Rockaway NJ looks out back and finds a bear and her cubs all frolicking in their pool and on their kids’ play set.

[Embedded content]

Mom’s all calm & laughing, uptight dad rubbing off on uptight kids!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:30:59am

ICYMI:

Inside the GOP field’s new strategies to ride out the Trump tornado

washingtonpost.com

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:31:19am

re: #371 freetoken

He’s doing better than the likes of Fallwell ever did. The Civic Center down there only holds 2,000 people and those tickets flew out the doors, so Trump moved it to the stadium.

Since it’s a ticketed event there will be a door count so we should know how many people show up.

I’m guessing 10,000.

That number is doubly impressive because Trump is, I believe, the only GOP candidate who isn’t anti-choice, approves of Medicaid and Social Security, and hasn’t called for the repeal of the ACA. Any other putative GOP nominee who held those same views would be booed off the hustings.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:31:23am

You know that guy in Iowa who said that illegals should be rounded up and ENSLAVED? Yeah totally ENSLAVED.

Ted Cruz went on his talk show==>

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makeitstop  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:33:19am

re: #382 #FergusonFireside

Mom’s all calm & laughing, uptight dad rubbing off on uptight kids!

Yeah, I caught myself saying ‘Stop bitching, your kids are going to have a great story to tell for the rest of their lives.’

And he’s complaining about a chintzy pool collapsing.

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:35:12am

re: #384 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That number is doubly impressive because Trump is, I believe, the only GOP candidate who isn’t anti-choice, approves of Medicaid and Social Security, and hasn’t called for the repeal of the ACA. Any other putative GOP nominee who held those same views would be booed off the hustings.

ISIS ANCHOR TERROR BABIES!!!!!! Trumps anything else.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:35:17am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

How much more “free” would people be if they didn’t have “food” “housing” or the education to improve themselves? Unless by “freedom” you mean “dead”

P.J. O’Rourke’s notions of freedom and dependency reminded of this quote from Anatole France:
“In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:37:31am

re: #384 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That number is doubly impressive because Trump is, I believe, the only GOP candidate who isn’t anti-choice, approves of Medicaid and Social Security, and hasn’t called for the repeal of the ACA. Any other putative GOP nominee who held those same views would be booed off the hustings.

Principles.

/

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:37:32am

re: #379 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Christie getting bumped down to the kiddie table?

That looks like a real possibility, based on the latest polls.

You think the indignity of it all will force Christie to throw in the towel early, like Goodhair?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:37:42am

Rand Paul wants graphics designers to work for him for free!
YAYY FREE MARKET!

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BeachDem  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:37:51am

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

You know that guy in Iowa who said that illegals should be rounded up and ENSLAVED? Yeah totally ENSLAVED.

Ted Cruz went on his talk show==>

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Whoradio—a rather unfortunate explanatory set of call letters.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:38:48am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul wants graphics designers to work for him for free!
YAYY FREE MARKET!

What office is Rand running for again?

/

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:40:50am

re: #376 BeachDem

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

In the libertarian’s world there will be only one consequence; death. That consequence might be dished out simply for having the wrong type of shoes.

And they wonder why their worldview never becomes popular.

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:44:17am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

Is his campaign that tapped out that he needs people to do work for free? And I see that he’s still trying to buy his way into a caucus to hold the Senate seat, because KY law prevents him from running for two different races (Senate and President).

npr.org

He’s going to foist a cost onto state taxpayers to indulge his attempt to run for the WH, while maintaining a fallback with the Senate.

Kentucky voters should reject him both ways. Vote him out of office and prevent him from trying to foist a caucus on the state so he can run a vanity election.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:46:37am

re: #391 The Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul wants graphics designers to work for him for free!
YAYY FREE MARKET!

[Embedded content]

Free, hell. Paul is probably charging the artists an entry fee.

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:49:29am

Eventually reality is going to pass on by the armchair generals in this country:

While Congress argues over Iran, Europe rushes to do business there

The ink was barely dry on a landmark agreement with Iran to limit its nuclear program before a German government plane packed with the nation’s economic elite touched down in Tehran.

The trip was just the first in a rush of European ministers and business people flocking to a market that is poised to reopen after years of grinding sanctions. Upscale Tehran hotels are packed and tables at trendy restaurants are scarce as foreigners jostle for bargains, even amid uncertainty over whether President Obama can overcome congressional opposition to the deal.

The steady stream of visitors to Tehran is the latest sign of the Atlantic-wide divide between the United States and Europe, where there is scant opposition to the pact that aims to crimp Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Obama and Secretary of State John F. Kerry have warned detractors that they would be unable to reimpose a multinational trade embargo if Congress rejects the plans. The other five countries that helped broker the deal have also told Congress they will not return to the negotiating table. The high-level trips show that U.S. leaders can’t even keep Europeans from booking tickets to Tehran ahead of the congressional vote, which needs to take place by Sept. 17.

“We are talking here about 80 million people who need energy supplies, who naturally also need health care, who want to get back off their knees in the oil and gas businesses. There are opportunities and chances,” Joe Kaeser, the chief executive of Siemens, the German industrial conglomerate, told German television last month.

[…]

The world wants to trade with Iran and no tin-hat crank politician in this country is going to stop them.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:51:52am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 8:53:52am

Wonkette on Carly Fiorina’s “All of them, Katie!” moment==>

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darthstar  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:01:03am

Jeb! Thought he’d use the Twitter to go after Trump…what a total fucking loser (to paraphrase the GOP front runner).

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:01:49am

#381 BeachDem:

There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences.

I do think there’s a good point in there. You can do anything you want, as long as you are willing to suffer the consequences:

You want to totally leave society, then don’t come running if you’re starving.

You want to take something from someone else without paying, then it’s your problem if you get arrested or shot.

You don’t want to pay your taxes, then don’t complain when fire fighters don’t show up while your house burns down, don’t complain about the lack of doctors that can treat your condition, and don’t complain when the well you’re drinking from becomes polluted.

Most people like to say they want freedom, but will run to society at the first inconvenience.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:06:31am

Either you want a society, or you don’t. If you do want a society which is not a wolf-eat-wolf, babies-starving-on-the-streets, book-burning-ignorant kind, then yes, there is a right to education, healthcare and so on.

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aagcobb  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:08:39am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

How much more “free” would people be if they didn’t have “food” “housing” or the education to improve themselves? Unless by “freedom” you mean “dead”

Its libertarian bullshit. Humans have always been part of a community, so its never been a basic human right to “do as you damn well please.”

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:09:05am

The Rothbard-Rand kind of “society” would be hell on earth except maybe for the chosen few (and even that is doubtful).

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darthstar  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:09:48am
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allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:10:24am

re: #402 Belafon

#381 BeachDem:

I do think there’s a good point in there. You can do anything you want, as long as you are willing to suffer the consequences:

You want to totally leave society, then don’t come running if you’re starving.

You want to take something from someone else without paying, then it’s your problem if you get arrested or shot.

You don’t want to pay your taxes, then don’t complain when fire fighters don’t show up while your house burns down, don’t complain about the lack of doctors that can treat your condition, and don’t complain when the well you’re drinking from becomes polluted.

Most people like to say they want freedom, but will run to society at the first inconvenience.

All of those things are predicated by choice. An impoverished family that has been denied education and opportunity for generations has consequences thrust upon them without the benefit of choice. The concept he so articulately expresses as he ignores his own entitlements is so much mental masterbation that only applies on a level playing field that does not exist.

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aagcobb  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:17:38am

re: #390 freetoken

That looks like a real possibility, based on the latest polls.

You think the indignity of it all will force Christie to throw in the towel early, like Goodhair?

Goodhair isn’t out yet; he just isn’t paying his staff. he won’t last much past Iowa, if he even makes it that far.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:20:08am

re: #401 darthstar

You always say crap in spanish why would anyone want you for president. We speak english here!! @JebBush @jacobperry @realDonaldTrump
sunshine

“Sunshine”. Cognitive dissonance, call on line 2.

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No Depression  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:22:47am

re: #405 Nyet

The Rothbard-Rand kind of “society” would be hell on earth except maybe for the chosen few (and even that is doubtful).

Absolutely. I used to be a libertarian myself but eventually came to my senses and realized that a libertarian utopia would be hell for people with disabilities like me because a society like that wouldn’t respect my rights and would regard me as a burden to be neglected or even eliminated.

And this is the same reason I also dislike deep ecologist and anarcho-primitivist moonbats. All of these groups have a privileged and unrealistic view of the world that would be hell for people who need a strong state to protect their rights and allow them to thrive.

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darthstar  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:27:22am

GOP rebranding at work.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:27:57am

re: #410 No Depression

Coming from Russia (even if I don’t live there at the moment), I reflexively wince at the notion of “strong state”, even though I understand what you mean.

The democratic state for the people. The social services. Schools, clinics, fire departments, lawful police that protects anyone regardless of race, sex, etc…

(Not an oppressive, neo-fascist, corrupt state like Russia under Putin, which is, arguably, also a kind of a strong state.)

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No Depression  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:29:30am

re: #411 darthstar

Oh, so he’s finally admitting that black lives really don’t matter to him. Glad to see he’s being honest. //

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:31:45am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:31:55am

TRUMP HAIR SECRETS!

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piratedan  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:32:35am

re: #411 darthstar

Hilary is just like that, so I’m staying home with my unicorns and purity ponies, and wondering why I can’t get anyone to help me clean out these stables…..

The thing is, Walker is at least being open about it, the other guys still can’t fathom that they could actually say all of these things and that the media simply doesn’t care. They’re just there for the pictures and the sound bites.

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allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:35:09am

re: #411 darthstar

GOP rebranding at work.

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Lives don’t matter! Things matter! All the things!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:36:00am

SORRY NOT SORRY

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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:36:14am

re: #417 allegro

Lives don’t matter! Things matter! All the things!

Corporate profits matter too, folks! Gotta remember that!

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allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:38:17am

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

SORRY NOT SORRY

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As long as he equates racist violence with energy and passion he is not just condoning the violence but actively encouraging it with praise.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:39:53am

Hillary.

You know, I was extremely pissed off at her during the 2008 campaign. I even wrote (elsewhere) that I lost all respect for her, and back then it was true. She used quite a lot of dirty tricks against Obama. Like, her bringing up the “Obama-Rezko” connection, which was also a wingnut talking point. And some of her proxies did make use of birtherism.

But you can’t expect perfection from people, and she has proven herself well during the subsequent years. So right now I’m in the Hillary camp and would be quite excited to see her as the US President (even if many, incl. some people here, would vote for her as for the lesser evil).

Bernie on the other hand doesn’t excite me, and I’m not sure why.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:40:23am

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

SORRY NOT SORRY

Why is he even “crediting” these drunk thugs with “energy and passion”?

Oh wait, sorry…Trump.

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:40:26am

I don’t do the tweet thang, but I’ve become addicted to TV’s Frank’s feed (that is the correct term, isn’t it?):

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Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:41:19am

re: #338 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Deray, Nettta, Brittany, Sam have launched a project:

Campaign Zero

That’s what has been missing. Even if some of the elements are arguable (police unions), there is the beginnings of an action plan.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:44:53am

re: #373 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

THAT’S YOOOOOGE

No roof, 50% chance of rain.

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darthstar  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:45:59am

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

SORRY NOT SORRY

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Seriously, I don’t think it’s Trump’s fault. The guys who thought it would be cool to beat up on an immigrant will face some healthy jail time hopefully. And won’t they be surprised to find that there are Hispanics behind bars with them! Consider it a learning moment.

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allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:46:35am

re: #421 Nyet

Hillary.

You know, I was extremely pissed off at her during the 2008 campaign. I even wrote (elsewhere) that I lost all respect for her, and back then it was true. She used quite a lot of dirty tricks against Obama. Like, her bringing up the “Obama-Rezko” connection, which was also a wingnut talking point. And some of her proxies did make use of birtherism.

But you can’t expect perfection from people, and she has proven herself well during the subsequent years. So right now I’m in the Hillary camp and would be quite excited to see her as the US President (even if many, incl. some people here, would vote for her as for the lesser evil).

Bernie on the other hand doesn’t excite me, and I’m not sure why.

Bernie has the ideology but doesn’t impress me as someone who knows how to get things done. Hillary is pragmatic, has connections, and understands the game. From what was posted earlier about the infrastructure she’s been building for her campaign, it is impressive as hell.

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No Depression  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:50:25am

When Fox News is on the TV, it doesn’t take long to get tired of hearing the word “catheter” during commercial breaks.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:50:45am

re: #427 allegro

And I read some Obama campaign people are working for her, as does Howard Dean (whom I may personally detest because he’s a bigot, but who also knows how to get shit done).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:54:19am

heh

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sagehen  Aug 21, 2015 • 9:55:08am

re: #426 darthstar

Seriously, I don’t think it’s Trump’s fault. The guys who thought it would be cool to beat up on an immigrant will face some healthy jail time hopefully. And won’t they be surprised to find that there are Hispanics behind bars with them! Consider it a learning moment.

Are we even sure he is an immigrant? Maybe he’s just a Hispanic guy they assumed was an immigrant.

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:00:21am

Markos responds, must read

dailykos.com

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De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:01:17am

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Yea… that’s the ticket!

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:02:21am

re: #432 #FergusonFireside

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:02:34am

re: #432 #FergusonFireside

Only assholes question the identity of others

Or dead Breitbarts, but I repeat myself.

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jaunte  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:02:34am

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

How would you use that site for “opposition research” when the users were anonymous?

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William Lewis  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:03:38am

re: #421 Nyet

Bernie on the other hand doesn’t excite me, and I’m not sure why.

Probably too much old time “socialism” baggage even though Bernie’s Democratic Socialist style is nothing like what the Soviets did.

The socialism I grew up learning of was that of Mike Harrington. He grew up Roman Catholic and was influenced by Dorthy Day but went off on a Marxist path even while allying with the anti-Stalin Union movement here in the US. He first came on the scene in 1962 with his book “The Other America” about poverty in the USA (given what has happened since 1980, we could reprint it almost without change now but I digress) that deeply influenced the war on poverty. So he was always pragmatic, never too into ideology and so on. This got him and his in trouble with the “new left” of the SDS & etc. because of the lack of purity. I won’t go into the internecine feuds of the American Left; suffice to say we are truly our own worst enemies.

Bernie seems to me to be trying to do something similar. He knows not much can be accomplished at once so he’s hitched his wagon to trying to make economic change. Good? Bad? Workable? Failure? I don’t know, but I understand it and it’s the area I want to talk about since I am living in the state where the Middle Class is disappearing faster than any of the rest (thanks, Walker… < spit > )

If Bernie’s still in the game when the Wisconsin primary is held, I’ll vote for him otherwise Hillary. After that, I’ll vote for the nominee, whoever that is. I’ll work to get his economics into the platform and into the _Party_ talking points.

As for BLM, that really needs to be Hillary’s area - at this point she will be the nominee and I care more about what SHE will do rather than what, at most, a cabinet secretary thinks a couple of years out.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:04:02am

re: #436 jaunte

How would you use that site for “opposition research” when the users were anonymous?

Personal research. Curious. Looking for data.

/

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:04:24am

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

Louisiana GOP executive director says he was on Ashley Madison client list for “research.”

“Tells press he was researching new routes along the Appalachian Trail. “

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:05:30am

re: #432 #FergusonFireside

As a couple of people point out in the comments, nobody there said that about Rachel Dolezal.

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William Lewis  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:06:09am

re: #424 Decatur Deb

That’s what has been missing. Even if some of the elements are arguable (police unions), there is the beginnings of an action plan.

Gotta get their unions on board. They may well be corrupt but they’re still already a structure in place and can be cleaned up.

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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:06:17am

re: #432 #FergusonFireside

Markos responds, must read

dailykos.com

The key point IMO:

But you know what? I expect that shit from conservatives. I would’ve expected better from CNN and Don Lemon, but they’ve joined the ranks of right-wing race-baiters. Congrats, Don and CNN for joining the rats on their sinking ship. Fuck you, too.

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Franklin  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:06:27am

re: #432 #FergusonFireside

Markos responds, must read

dailykos.com

#Brilliant!!

So fuck everyone who has gone after Shaun. Fact is, they are accomplishing nothing but exposing the ugliness in their hearts. Shaun will continue to shine a light on the issues he’s focused on, and we will continue to support Shaun in his efforts. In fact, we’re doubling down by staffing up in this area. So if the intent was to hamper the Black Lives Matter movement … well, in this case, it has only redoubled our resolve to support it.

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Doofus  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:07:03am

I hope the folks that run the Plunge Protection Team didn’t leave for an early weekend, Dow Jones is down a wee bit. Maybe by 3:30 pm.

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:07:26am

#431 sagehen:

It was probably the accent: The guy was trying to roll his h’s: “Have you seen my cahhhhhhh?”

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:07:36am

re: #436 jaunte

How would you use that site for “opposition research” when the users were anonymous?

Demanding one-on-one meetings in secluded or private locations to verify all the particulars of course. Lots of trying to massage facts out of the subject matter. Checking briefs.

You know, that kind of thing. /

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:08:21am

re: #437 William Lewis

Not really, the label itself doesn’t bother me because I understand Bernie’s context. He’s not like some other Chavez-supporting, West-bashing, DNR-loving socialists. His positions are reasonable. But still…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:09:10am

re: #444 Doofus

the Plunge Protection Team

Had never heard of this before.

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lawhawk  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:10:40am

Truth to power? What power? What truth?

It’s a slur. Those children you slur as anchor babies are US Citizens as per the 14th Amendment, which the GOP has long sought to be repealed/removed/annulled from the Constitution - just go back to their platforms and see that they have sought elimination of birthright citizenship for decades, but their top tier candidates (snicker) are all pandering to this very notion.

That’s even as a handful of the candidates are themselves birthright citizens or have kids who are beneficiaries of birthright citizenship.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:11:41am

Retweeted by Deray:

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:12:02am
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jaunte  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:12:44am

re: #449 lawhawk

Ted Cruz Fearlessly Karate-Chops Baby Power

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:13:08am

re: #440 Nyet

As a couple of people point out in the comments, nobody there said that about Rachel Dolezal.

Dolezal is not a fair comparison. I think it is actually very shallow to compare the two.

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William Lewis  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:13:57am

re: #447 Nyet

Not really, the label itself doesn’t bother me because I understand Bernie’s context. He’s not like some other Chavez-supporting, West-bashing, DNR-loving socialists. His positions are reasonable. But still…

That’s cool, it just popped up in my mind as a possible explanation. I know I’ve gotten the jitters from asshats stealing the language of positive things to exploit hate and the like. Plus I’m never sure how familiar you are with the very weird maze that American leftism is compared to the (relatively) straightforward European situation.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:14:31am

re: #449 lawhawk

Truth to power? What power? What truth?

Univision. La Raza. Sofia Vergara.
//

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jaunte  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:14:52am

“In 2013, 12% of new marriages were interracial”

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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:15:05am

But Rachel Dolezal!

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:15:32am

re: #450 Nyet

She is violent. She violently appropriated our culture

Hmmmm

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:16:27am

re: #453 #FergusonFireside

Dolezal is not a fair comparison. I think it is actually very shallow to compare the two.

If the principle is “only assholes question identity”, it is the same. Either you do, or you don’t. Her identity was questioned. Incl. by Deray. Either the principle applies, or it doesn’t.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:16:52am

re: #457 iossarian

Yep, consistency matters.

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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:17:19am

re: #459 Nyet

If the principle is “only assholes question identity”, it is the same. Either you do, or you don’t. Her identity was questioned. Incl. by Deray. Either the principle applies, or it doesn’t.

The principle applies. Deray etc. are wrong to question her self-identification IMO.

It’s a small thing though.

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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:17:45am

Most people are assholes at least some of the time. I know I am.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:18:40am

re: #462 iossarian

Most people are assholes at least some of the time. I know I am.

And some people are aholes a lot of the time.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:20:17am

re: #401 darthstar

Jeb! Thought he’d use the Twitter to go after Trump…what a total fucking loser (to paraphrase the GOP front runner).

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some days i think the only reason trump got in the race was because jeb fucked him over somehow

or maybe it was the entire republic party

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#FergusonFireside  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:21:09am

re: #459 Nyet

If the principle is “only assholes question identity”, it is the same. Either you do, or you don’t. Her identity was questioned. Incl. by Deray. Either the principle applies, or it doesn’t.

The media made her a side show attraction. The interest by most was akin to looking at something at a zoo. It was sleazy.

I cannot comment on how people of color felt about her appropriation, that’s their feeling. I’m white.

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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:22:12am

It also depends on who has the power in society. Deray can be shot and killed by the police for having dark skin, so he is less of an asshole than a light-skinned Breitbart-person, even though they are both (in my opinion) wrong to question someone else’s self-identification.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:22:40am

re: #465 #FergusonFireside

I cannot comment on how people of color felt about her appropriation, that’s their feeling. I’m white.

Then it means that the principle is not universal.

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William Lewis  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:22:41am

re: #459 Nyet

If the principle is “only assholes question identity”, it is the same. Either you do, or you don’t. Her identity was questioned. Incl. by Deray. Either the principle applies, or it doesn’t.

Looking at my own life’s trajectory, I’d say that only self identification matters and that questioning it is always wrong. Gender, race, religion, etc. is irrelevant - outside of legal definitions in a court room (and _this_ needs to be addressed by the legislatures), self identification should take precedence in my view.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:23:33am

re: #466 iossarian

Power has nothing to do with intellectual consistency.

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:24:05am

re: #459 Nyet

If the principle is “only assholes question identity”, it is the same. Either you do, or you don’t. Her identity was questioned. Incl. by Deray. Either the principle applies, or it doesn’t.

The underlying assumptions, rarely trotted out into daylight, is that biological ancestry is determinative for “identity”.

In the case of Shaun, his suspected unknown biological father probably had an ancestry that was a mixture of African-Americans and Americans of various European ancestry.

This type of question did not exist for Dolezal’s case.

So one question becomes: are identities biologically determined?

The second question then only arises if the first one is answered in the affirmative: what does one do as far as “identity” when one’s parents are unknown?

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:24:43am

re: #468 William Lewis

Agreed (with an asterisk).

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:26:22am

SMOTI classy as always==>

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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:26:23am

re: #469 Nyet

Power has nothing to do with intellectual consistency.

It has a lot to do with determining whether someone is an asshole or not.

Starving beggar screaming “give me money, please” at passers-by - not an asshole.

Fortune 500 CEO screaming “give me money, please” at cable subscribers - asshole.

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William Lewis  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:27:47am

re: #471 Nyet

Agreed (with an asterisk).

Fair enough. Will you share the asterisk’s value?

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:28:14am

re: #473 iossarian

Starving beggar questioning someone’s identity: asshole.

Fortune 500 CEO questioning identity: asshole.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:28:43am

re: #472 The Vicious Babushka

SMOTI classy as always==>

Fortunately illegal aliens are not people.

///

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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:31:23am

re: #475 Nyet

Starving beggar questioning someone’s identity: asshole.

Fortune 500 CEO questioning identity: asshole.

Dude. In both cases, it’s wrong. But the starving beggar probably has mitigating circumstances that don’t apply to the CEO.

It’s pretty simple.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:32:32am

Before he said “I would never condone violence” Trump said this==>

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allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:35:09am

re: #464 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

some days i think the only reason trump got in the race was because jeb fucked him over somehow

or maybe it was the entire republic party

I think he just saw that the GOP is where the gullible are and that they’re primed and ready for his grift.

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:35:15am

Ironically, or perhaps not, just coming across my Facebook timeline is this:

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Why were there only 30,000 Negroes listed in the U.S. Federal Census in 1920, but 11.7 million in 1930? Why was my…

Posted by Ancestry on Friday, August 21, 2015

It’s a link to one of their videos from earlier this year:
Racial Designations Over Time

The interesting thing here is that at one time the “race” was self reported, but at another time “race” was determined by the census taker.

Our society if full of instances where someone has to report the “race” or “ethnicity” and such.

So this seems to be something our society cares a great deal about.

My question then (assuming we continue to require this reporting of “race”) is this: how plastic are we going to allow the answers to be?

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Franklin  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:36:22am

re: #478 The Vicious Babushka

Before he said “I would never condone violence” Trump said this==>

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In all seriousness, I don’t condone violence but if one were being bullied I would see righteousness in the bullied throwing the first punch. NOW, that being said, Trump is the bully so his anecdote falls flat on it’s face.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:38:10am

re: #474 William Lewis

Fair enough. Will you share the asterisk’s value?

Since race, ethnicity, gender, religion are not objective, there always exist multiple perspectives which may contradict each other, and yet none of which may be false.

For an Orthodox Jew someone born in Israel to a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother is not Jewish (without a conversion). But that person may think of themselves as Jewish, and why not? Both perspectives are subjective and, in a sense, “equal”, as long as the latter person isn’t put into a position where (s)he would suffer because of the disagreement. We can’t force the parties to accept each other’s perspectives. It’s up to them to decide.

Just as well, a light-skinned biracial person may be thought of as black in a white-majority society and as white in a black-majority society. He or she has their own perspective on what they are, but others can also decide for themselves to what extent they will accept this. As long as that doesn’t cause legal problems, there is no way but to accept this.

One’s self-id should be treated with respect, esp. when it comes to official things, but that doesn’t exclude other personal opinions.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:38:32am

re: #477 iossarian

Dude. In both cases, it’s wrong. But the starving beggar probably has mitigating circumstances that don’t apply to the CEO.

It’s pretty simple.

What mitigating circumstances?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:38:38am

re: #481 Franklin

In all seriousness, I don’t condone violence but if one were being bullied I would see righteousness in the bullied throwing the first punch. NOW, that being said, Trump is the bully so his anecdote falls flat on it’s face.

Why would he give away the secret of how to take him out?

IT’S A TRAP!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:39:05am

re: #475 Nyet

Starving beggar questioning someone’s identity: asshole.

Fortune 500 CEO questioning identity: asshole.

Let me offer an alternative thought: White people are who defines racial identity in America. That’s the genesis of TNC’s construction “People who need to believe they’re white”.

Shaun’s history is that white people always treated him as black, always excluded him. His race was determined FOR HIM by others.

Rachel Dolezal chose her race. SHE chose it.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:39:10am

re: #451 Kragar

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“activist husband”?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:39:31am

re: #483 Nyet

What mitigating circumstances?

The beggar is starving. The CEO is not.

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BeachDem  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:40:16am

re: #402 Belafon

Just want to point out that those were PJ O’Rourke’s words, not mine!

(although I am on board for the whole consequences thingie.)

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:41:03am

Except, once again, the identity of blacks and the racism that has occurred in this country make this different. Dolezal attempted, and succeeded for a while, to appropriate a black identity without any of the costs that would have been there had she grown up black. Had Shaun actually been white, it would have been bad.

Dolezal chose to be black, as much as you can.

In Shaun’s case, the story wasn’t actually about Shaun, even though he had to respond. No, the story was that people accepted the winger’s stories about him, making it all the way to CNN. That should never have happened. They should have been views as the same fringe that questions whether Obama’s been black enough.

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William Lewis  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:41:10am

re: #482 Nyet

Gotcha. Thanks for going into it (more for recording it here, as I get where you’re coming from).

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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:42:29am

re: #480 freetoken

My question then (assuming we continue to require this reporting of “race”) is this: how plastic are we going to allow the answers to be?

I’ll tell you what the answer increasingly is for people who actually do this (the collection and reporting of such data), since I’m one of them.

In my experience, you basically take what people tell you as the “truth” and assume people are well-intentioned in terms of their self-reporting. If you believe there’s been a genuine error then you might politely check, but (especially when the overall N is large) it’s often not even necessary to do that.

Happy to answer follow-up questions.

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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:43:17am

re: #483 Nyet

What mitigating circumstances?

Really? Like, how might a beggar’s circumstances be different than a CEO’s?

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:43:38am

re: #485 Blind Frog Belly White

White people are who defines racial identity in America.

Not really, it’s always a personal opinion, except when it’s in the law.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:44:01am

re: #489 Belafon

It goes back to the basic question: If this were Alabama in 1950, which water fountain would the person in question be allowed to drink from? That’s why it’s so ridiculous for anyone today to parse a ‘degree of blackness’, whether it be for Obama, or for Shaun King.

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:44:12am

re: #492 iossarian

Really? Like, how might a beggar’s circumstances be different than a CEO’s?

No, like, what mitigating circumstances would be relevant to the topic at hand at all?

496
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:44:50am

re: #493 Nyet

Not really, it’s always a personal opinion, except when it’s in the law.

Strongly disagree. I suggest you read ‘Between Me And The World’.

497
Belafon  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:45:03am

#488 BeachDem:

I know.

I was just saying I agree a bit with O’Rourke’s statement. To me it points out that most people never really take the concept of “freedom” as far as they think they do. They want the action without the consequences.

498
The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:45:16am

re: #489 Belafon

Except, once again, the identity of blacks and the racism that has occurred in this country make this different. Dolezal attempted, and succeeded for a while, to appropriate a black identity without any of the costs that would have been there had she grown up black. Had Shaun actually been white, it would have been bad.

Dolezal chose to be black, as much as you can.

In Shaun’s case, the story wasn’t actually about Shaun, even though he had to respond. No, the story was that people accepted the winger’s stories about him, making it all the way to CNN. That should never have happened. They should have been views as the same fringe that questions whether Obama’s been black enough.

Wingnuts grabbed on to the Dolezal story with both hands because to them it proved:
HURR HURR THEIR IS NO MOAR RACISM BECAUSE A WHITEY WHITE GIRL MADE HERSELF INTO TEH BLAH!!!!11! SO DON’T EVER CALLS US TEH RACIST NOW WE PRUVED THEY’RE IS NO SUCH THING!!!!!!!

Because as everyone knows:
TEH ONLY REASON TO CALLS SOMEBODY TEH RACIST IS TO SHAMES THEM & HARM THERE GOOD NAME LIKE TEH COMMUNISTS DID TO TEH PEOPLE WHO DISAGRED WITH THEM.!!!11!!!

499
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:45:32am

re: #493 Nyet

Not really, it’s always a personal opinion, except when it’s in the law.

Note also that personal opinion, en masse, is societal opinion.

500
iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:47:38am

re: #495 Nyet

No, like, what mitigating circumstances would be relevant to the topic at hand at all?

If I was to see a starving beggar on a street corner shouting at some guy “you’re not even black you bastard” I would not think “what an asshole”. I would think “that poor guy, it must suck for him”. I would still think what he just shouted was wrong.

If I was to see a CEO shouting at some guy “you’re not even black you bastard” I would think “what an asshole”.

Does that make sense?

501
Belafon  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:47:41am

#494 Blind Frog Belly White:

And, in 1950s, I really really doubt Dolezal would have chosen to be black.

502
freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:48:20am

re: #491 iossarian

Well, my question was a bit open ended, but I was really digging at the problem not so much of the mechanics of reporting, but of forcing people to make “identity” a binary, ternary, etc. choice.

As Juante linked upstream, the question today of “which race are you” does not make sense.

Now, I don’t believe the question ever really made sense because old notions of “race” were quite superficial (based on skin tone) and we know from physical anthropology today that human variation is not really about skin tone.

Still, as a society we still, in many cases, try to force people into describing themselves using outdated ideas.

503
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:48:43am

we wanted to visit the statue of limitations when we were in dc but we couldnt find it

504
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:50:01am

re: #490 William Lewis

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BeachDem  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:50:24am

re: #432 #FergusonFireside

Markos responds, must read

dailykos.com

A thing of beauty—he pretty much sums it up with:

I’ll be as brief as I can be: fuck those assholes, and fuck them to hell.

The reality is that 1) fuck them, 2) why does it matter what color Shaun is? 3) fuck them, and 4) fuck them.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Markos like this. Great stuff.

506
Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:50:55am

Every time a progressive shits his pants over racial identity, a stormfronter gets his SS bolts.

507
jaunte  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:51:32am
508
Kragar  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:52:19am
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iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:52:28am

re: #502 freetoken

Well, my question was a bit open ended, but I was really digging at the problem not so much of the mechanics of reporting, but of forcing people to make “identity” a binary, trinary, etc. choice.

So I’ll try to answer just this (which also gets at the rest of your comment I think).

We’re in an interesting time, where we still report people by a straight (pun intended) M/F categorization. This is useful because it allows us to check for discrimination against women and how that changes over time. Thus it serves a beneficial purpose.

But, increasingly there are some people (currently less than 2% but steadily growing) who do not want to tick either box.

In order to satisfy federal regulations (which are good because of the discrimination prevention thing) you have to assign a value to those people.

It’s an issue, but again it doesn’t necessarily mean that the system is bad. It’s just our attempt to make sense of and improve an imperfect world. It’s also something that people hold conference sessions about! I expect that at some future point the federal form will change (as the race/ethnicity one has done over time).

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:53:26am

re: #507 jaunte

WHY DON’T THOSE LOSERS HAVE REAL JOBS?!?!

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:53:33am

re: #464 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

some days i think the only reason trump got in the race was because jeb fucked him over somehow

or maybe it was the entire republic party

Trump understands the GOP base far more than any of his competitors. He understood the disaffection in the GOP base when his opponents all still thought that the base would reliably come to heel. He knows how to work a crowd in just the ways that the crowd has been trained to be worked. If I had to guess, just based on experience and intuition, I’d say that inasmuch as GodKing of the World isn’t yet an office Trump settled for the presidency.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:54:16am

TO amplify, the ‘personal opinion’ works at many levels. I often point to a study by two University of Chicago Economists, who took the birth certificates from 20 years prior, separated them by race, and put together a list of ‘Black Associated’ and ‘White Associated’ names.

They then applied these names randomly to fictitious, identical resumes they sent out in response to job ads all over the Eastern US. The ‘Black Associated’ names got half the rate of call backs that the ‘White Associated’ names got.

There’s a good example of white society determining who’s black.

It is, IMO, an excellent design for a study, since it eliminates any potential counterargument about the actual individuals applying for the job. It also really demonstrates the extent to which racism is dug deep into society. I don’t think 1200 hiring managers are all racists. I think they reacted to the names at a subconscious level.

I find in reviewing CVs for a position that I react to the names. I know this, and I consciously fight it down.

513
BeenHereAwhile  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:54:21am

re: #360 freetoken

We are going to have a wild time in Alabama tonight! Finally, the silent majority is back! trumpalabama.eventbrite.com

Why am I reminded of William Jennings Bryan?

514
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:55:00am

re: #487 The Vicious Babushka

The beggar is starving. The CEO is not.

Which has what to do with the legitimacy of their questioning?

515
Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:55:37am

re: #513 BeenHereAwhile

Why am I reminded of William Jennings Bryan?

Thinking more of Spiro Agnew.

516
iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:55:42am

re: #512 Blind Frog Belly White

Similar effects have been found with male/female names on exam papers.

517
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:55:56am

re: #489 Belafon

You have just questioned Dolezal’s identity.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:56:52am

re: #513 BeenHereAwhile

Why am I reminded of William Jennings Bryan?

Because Trump has a full-scale, 3 ton, 24kt Cross of Gold in his den?

519
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:57:27am

re: #496 Blind Frog Belly White

Strongly disagree. I suggest you read ‘Between Me And The World’.

You can disagree, but what one thinks about one’s race/ethnicity is subjective, and you can think it even if the whole world disagrees.

520
William Lewis  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:58:11am

re: #504 Nyet

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Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:58:15am

re: #500 iossarian

Too subjective to be a sound principle, IMHO.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:58:44am

re: #518 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Because Trump has a full-scale, 3 ton, 24kt Cross of Gold in his den?

Trump probably has a full-scale, 3 ton, 24 kt statue of himself in his den.

523
William Lewis  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:59:42am

re: #506 Decatur Deb

Every time a progressive shits his pants over racial identity, a stormfronter gets his SS bolts.

Ouch. True, but still…

524
KGxvi  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:00:04am

re: #456 jaunte

the “racially aware” faction of the conservative movement doesn’t get this. the change is going to come a lot faster when older people realize these policies affect their nieces, nephews, and grandchildren. just a shame it will take so long

525
Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:00:56am

re: #522 Dr. Matt

Trump probably has a full-scale, 3 ton, 24 kt statue of himself in his den.

Combine them and, voila, The Trumpifixion!

526
CuriousLurker  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:01:17am

I have a doctor’s appointment and can’t stay, but it just dawned on me that the RWNJ must consider BLM a fairly serious threat, otherwise they wouldn’t be attacking and trying to discredit the activists & reporters with such vehemence.

527
#FergusonFireside  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:01:26am

OT Sergey, I bought Mr. Mercedes last night for my ipad. Didn’t get far, but looks promising.

528
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:02:29am

re: #519 Nyet

You can disagree, but what one thinks about one’s race/ethnicity is subjective, and you can think it even if the whole world disagrees.

But how you get on in society is the question, which makes your opinion of your own racial identity largely irrelevant.

Note also that you say, “Where I live now, people notice these things, much more so than in Russia, so it sort of made me think.” That sounds like society determining your race/ethnicity to me.

529
Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:02:37am

re: #526 CuriousLurker

I have a doctor’s appointment and can’t stay, but it just dawned on me that the RWNJ must consider BLM a fairly serious threat, otherwise they wouldn’t be attacking and trying to discredit the activists & reporters with such vehemence.

Seeing more angst about it on LW sites.

530
iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:03:59am

re: #521 Nyet

Too subjective to be a sound principle, IMHO.

What does that even mean? Objective morality went out of the window a long time ago.

If you really think that you should be applying some strict ethical rule in exactly the same way to a starving homeless guy and a CEO in his mansion, and only including some strictly-defined set of mitigating factors that are directly and unambiguously held (by whom?) to apply to the matter at hand, then I think this conversation is over.

Have some compassion. The starving guy needs your help. Once he’s not starving you can decide whether your clever ethical rules apply.

531
CuriousLurker  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:04:26am

re: #529 Decatur Deb

Seeing more angst about it on LW sites.

Angst about BLM or the RW attacks on them?

532
Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:04:59am

re: #531 CuriousLurker

Angst about BLM or the RW attacks on them?

Blue-on-blue.

533
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:05:03am

re: #527 #FergusonFireside

If you like it (and for me it was a page-turner), I think you’ll like Finders Keepers too!

534
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:05:51am

re: #531 CuriousLurker

Angst about BLM or the RW attacks on them?

Probably angst about 1) BLM turning into OWS, or 2) “Don’t they know Bernie’s their best hope?”, if i had to hazard a guess.

535
freetoken  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:07:05am

re: #526 CuriousLurker

I have a doctor’s appointment and can’t stay, but it just dawned on me that the RWNJ must consider BLM a fairly serious threat, otherwise they wouldn’t be attacking and trying to discredit the activists & reporters with such vehemence.

BLM touches on several things about which the self-described “true conservatives” feel threatened:

1) brown people;
2) more brown people;
3) exposing authoritarian ideals underlying a police state;
4) even more brown people;
5) poor brown people;
6) gun laws.

536
William Lewis  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:07:43am

re: #526 CuriousLurker

I have a doctor’s appointment and can’t stay, but it just dawned on me that the RWNJ must consider BLM a fairly serious threat, otherwise they wouldn’t be attacking and trying to discredit the activists & reporters with such vehemence.

Americans tend to believe very strongly in the myth of equality, especially when their own lives prove it doesn’t exist. BLM reminds them that it doesn’t exist for others as well and that, ironically perhaps, pisses them off more than the difficulties in their own lives.

537
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:08:13am

re: #530 iossarian

Or one can both help him and think of him as an asshole.

538
iossarian  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:09:09am

re: #537 Nyet

Or one can both help him and think of him as an asshole.

Sure - if that makes you happy go for it.

539
De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:10:00am

Thanks de Blasio! //

540
The Vicious Babushka  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:11:13am

re: #539 De Kolta Chair

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Thanks de Blasio! //

Just a couple of Amish kids on Rumspringa…

541
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:11:48am

WAY OT, but Mrs. FBW just got a job!!!!

She took a chance and dropped in on an elementary school she’d seen looking for a part-time Science Teacher and chatted with the Principal, who encouraged her to send her resume. This morning, she got a call from one of her references that the school called to ask about her, and just now she called me and said, “I got it!”

YAY!!!

542
CuriousLurker  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:12:32am

re: #532 Decatur Deb

Blue-on-blue.

That’s pretty much SOP for liberals, no? They seem to have a propensity for second-guessing themselves and their movements. There’s nothing wrong with honest self-examination followed by constructive criticism, but over-anxious self-doubt and/or viciously beating up oneself (or one’s allies) over every little misstep is neither healthy nor helpful.

543
Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:12:55am

re: #529 Decatur Deb

Seeing more angst about it on LW sites.

The RW email-forwarding circuit is strangley muted on the subject. Could be that BLM just falls into the general category of Thuggish Thugs Behaving Thuggishly for them.

544
CuriousLurker  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:14:23am

Really gotta run now or I’ll be late.

BBL

545
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:14:27am

re: #528 Blind Frog Belly White

But how you get on in society is the question, which makes your opinion of your own racial identity largely irrelevant.

Note also that you say, “Where I live now, people notice these things, much more so than in Russia, so it sort of made me think.” That sounds like society determining your race/ethnicity to me.

Either your opinion is relevant, and it’s in bad taste to question it, or only the majority’s opinion is relevant.

Yes, there is a societal pressure to accept a specific identity. I think the whole meaning of the principle “don’t question it” is to withstand that pressure. You are free to think of yourself as you want, regardless of the pressure (which does objectively exist).

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Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:16:49am

re: #543 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The RW email-forwarding circuit is strangley muted on the subject. Could be that BLM just falls into the general category of Thuggish Thugs Behaving Thuggishly for them.

“When your enemy is making a mistake, don’t interrupt.”
—somebody

547
De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:17:06am

re: #540 The Vicious Babushka

Just a couple of Amish kids on Rumspringa…

;-[) If Mitt had been elected, bonnets would be mandatory.

548
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:18:14am

re: #545 Nyet

Either your opinion is relevant, and it’s in bad taste to question it, or only the majority’s opinion is relevant.

Yes, there is a societal pressure to accept a specific identity. I think the whole meaning of the principle “don’t question it” is to withstand that pressure. You are free to think of yourself as you want, regardless of the pressure (which does objectively exist).

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Is there a cost to you to be identified as other than simply Russian? That’s the key - in America there’s a cost associated with being identified as ‘other than white’. I mean in how you’re treated by other individuals, but more importantly by GROUPS of other individuals.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:18:27am

re: #547 De Kolta Chair

;-[) If Mitt had been elected, bonnets would be mandatory.

Good look with the puffy sleeves.

550
Belafon  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:19:41am

#517 Nyet:

You have just questioned Dolezal’s identity.

Yep. I’m not buying the argument that her identifying as black is unquestionable. The “black race” in the US is not skin color. It’s the combination of slavery, Jim Crow, and continued discrimination that anyone we’ve identified as black has had to suffer over the past 200+ years. The one-drop rule was designed for those descendants of blacks that looked very white. Dolezal was never part of that.

I will tell you this, had Breitbart’s site accused her of being black, I would have been defended her. When she was first accused, I was like “How do you even pretend to be black? There’s no way she’s not.” I was wrong. But that’s on her.

551
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:26:02am

re: #548 Blind Frog Belly White

I am very well aware of the cost. But it’s a separate topic. The principle either applies, or it doesn’t. Either you question (and by that I mean public questioning, rather than having a personal opinion), or you don’t. If we say “yes, you don’t question except in this, this or this circumstance, depending on various conditions”, then it’s no longer that original, absolute principle we started from. And it’s fine too, that’s a new principle to be discussed, but it’s no longer “if you question, you’re an asshole”.

552
allegro  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:26:52am

Dolezal’s identity seemed to be fluid, depending on which identity she chose to assume at any given time. That made her appear to be more of an opportunist than one with any true sense of identity.

553
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:28:58am

re: #550 Belafon

#517 Nyet:

Yep.

Fine, it’s also an opinion. Although Kos thinks you’re an asshole. :)

554
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:29:54am

re: #552 allegro

Oh, probably. But to get to that conclusion her identity had to be questioned in the first place, no?

555
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:33:43am

re: #554 Nyet

Oh, probably. But to get to that conclusion her identity had to be questioned in the first place, no?

Ah, but now you’re adding a second level. If the question has already been introduced, are you an asshole for wondering? If the answer is already out there, are you an asshole for accepting it?

Am I questioning Dolezal’s racial identity when I note that she doesn’t even make the infidelity argument King does, or point to having been treated as black all her life?

556
Nyet  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:41:04am

re: #555 Blind Frog Belly White

Ah, but now you’re adding a second level. If the question has already been introduced, are you an asshole for wondering? If the answer is already out there, are you an asshole for accepting it?

Am I questioning Dolezal’s racial identity when I note that she doesn’t even make the infidelity argument King does, or point to having been treated as black all her life?

That’s a very good question. Because I would argue that although the Breitbrat hate brigade should have been ignored, because they’re proven liars and racists, after one mainstream source did verify some of the claims about King’s legal father, it became legitimate to wonder. Not to question Shaun’s identity as such - he should be able to be what he thinks he is. But factual claims, just like it was in Dolezal’s case. Shaun has responded with facts and nipped that in the bud. Dolezal was unable to. But it did come to questioning in both cases.

557
Jenner7  Aug 21, 2015 • 11:53:17am

re: #496 Blind Frog Belly White

Reading it now. Almost done.

I’ll add that there is a stark difference between Rachel and Shaun. Rachel lied and continued to lie after her lies were caught. Shaun never lied.

558
De Kolta Chair  Aug 21, 2015 • 12:04:18pm

Forewarded

559
BeachDem  Aug 21, 2015 • 12:11:02pm

re: #557 Jenner7

Reading it now. Almost done.

I’ll add that there is a stark difference between Rachel and Shaun. Rachel lied and continued to lie after her lies were caught. Shaun never lied.

I think there is another stark difference. I was trying to remember what the genesis of the Rachel story was and found the article from the station that initially broke the story.

kxly.com

The big difference, in my mind at least, is that Rachel made herself the centerpiece of all her stories—claiming hate crimes against her, organizing rally to support her, making (alleged) attacks against her a central part of her activism.

When the truth came out, the community that had supported her felt betrayed.

Our community was misled. We trusted this voice to speak for those without a voice. We trusted her to teach our students. We stood by her when she said she and her family were targeted and afraid. We rallied alongside Dolezal and her family in front of city hall, with community members carrying signs of support. We’re a trusting community and she broke that trust.

Shaun did nothing of the sort in his reporting on police brutality. The stories about his childhood experiences might have been part of his resume, and have all been substantiated by witnesses, but they were never a part of his reporting.


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‘Silent Coup’: Limbaugh Says ?!?! In an impassioned commentary, Rush Limbaugh said he believes the Washington establishment - both Democrats and Republicans - are involved in a "silent coup" against President Trump. Silent coup? Wrong and wrong. As silent as Rachael Maddow, Keith Olberman ...
Unshaken Defiance
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Immigration: Focus LocallyIn these days of Trump and the Republicans attacking everything decent about America, it's too easy to focus on the immediate threat. Trump's Muslim band is back, but everyone is paying attention to the Republicans trying to steal our healthcare. ...
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‘Submit to Your Husbands’: Women Told to Endure Domestic Violence in the Name of God (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) The culprits were obvious: it was the menopause or the devil. Who else could be blamed, Peter screamed at his wife in nightly tirades, for her alleged insubordination, for her stupidity, her lack of sexual pliability, her refusal to ...
Birth Control Works
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West Virginia Families, Just Learning About Health-Care Access, Fear It Will Be Taken Away - Rewire In Vienna, West Virginia—just north of Parkersburg, along the Ohio River separating the two states—the only Planned Parenthood health center in the state sits among a scattering of gray and tan buildings beside the main road. A few days ...
Birth Control Works
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Trump Election Commissioner Used Dubious Data to Allege an “Alien Invasion” - Mother Jones Election officials and experts say there’s plenty of reason to doubt those claims.But they could still provide a blueprint for Trump’s commission, which has so far hinted at tighter restrictions on voting in the name of cracking down on ...
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Inside the Middle East’s First Rape & Domestic Violence Crisis Program For the last year and a half, there’s been a new sight in the Kingdom of Bahrain. Lodged into stacks of newspapers, stuck to mirrors in restaurant bathrooms, and pinned to grocery store notice boards are small, blue-and-white fliers ...
Birth Control Works
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First Aid Kit - My Silver LiningFirst Aid Kit perform My Silver Lining at Glastonbury 2017
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Jangada - Claudia Villela Quartet at Kuumbwa Jazz Jangada written by Claudia Villela, performed by the Claudia Villela Quartet at Kuumbwa Jazz, Santa Cruz, CA, April 15, 2013 Claudia Villela - vocals, piano, percussionCelso Alberti - drums/percussionJeff Buenz - guitarsGary Brown - bass videography by John Mountaudio ...
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