Donald J. Trump, Silencer of Dissent

Is The First Amendment “Under Trauma”?
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In the third Presidential debate, Donald Trump said that the Second Amendment is “under such trauma.” But what about the First Amendment? While much could be said about freedom of religion, here the focus is on freedom of speech and tolerance of dissenting voices – which is an apropos topic for MLK Day.

At his January 11, 2017 press conference, Mr. Trump said, “I have long been a supporter of a free and independent press and I always will be.” So there is nothing more to say, right? Of course, there is actually a lot more to say. There is more to freedom of speech than freedom of the press. And there is much more to say, regarding the press. Concerns had already been raised when Mr. Trump restricted media access during his campaign and earlier in his transition. Meanwhile, during the very same press conference (of January 11), he attacked BuzzFeed and CNN for spreading a report with allegations (which were “unverified,” as BuzzFeed admitted) that were damaging to Mr. Trump, who vehemently denied them. He called BuzzFeed “a failing pile of garbage.” He repeatedly told CNN reporter Jim Acosta to be “quiet” (when the reporter attempted to ask a question), while calling CNN “fake news.” CNN saw it necessary to issue a “response to Trump’s accusations of false reporting” — as CNN pointed to its restraint in not publishing the report’s uncorroborated details, while defending its reporting as “the core of what the First Amendment protects.” There is also a much larger history, both recent and earlier, by which to judge Mr. Trump’s views on freedom of expression and tolerance of dissent.

By now, most of the facts are familiar. It’s just a matter of putting them all together.

• After becoming the President-Elect, Mr. Trump publicly castigated the cast of the Broadway show Hamilton — and actually demanded that the cast “Apologize!” — for a challenging but respectful post-show message to audience member VP-Elect Mike Pence. The cast’s message had not offended Mr. Pence; in fact, when confronted with audience members’ reactions that included boos, Mr. Pence recognized, “that’s what freedom sounds like.” Yet Mr. Trump did not share those sentiments.

• Mr. Trump lambasted Saturday Night Live, time and again – after their parodies of…Mr. Trump.

His attacks have not been limited to criticisms of entertainers.

• Union leader Chuck Jones criticized Mr. Trump’s exaggeration of facts of the Carrier deal. So Mr. Trump attacked him on Twitter:

Trump’s tweet led to death threats against Mr. Jones.

These attacks are part of a larger message of hostility towards dissenters, which started during his campaign.

• When confronted with a protester at a rally, Trump uttered some memorable words:

“I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks…. I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell ya.”

He threatens not just fists, but also lawsuits.

• He threatened to sue accusers, who alleged that he had done what he had bragged about doing (on the Access Hollywood tape).

• His lawyer accused the New York Times of libel and defamation for reporting on accusations of Mr. Trump’s unwanted advances on women. The newspaper’s response letter pointed out that Mr. Trump’s threats apparently reflected his (mistaken) view that “the law of this country forces … those who would dare to criticize him to stand silent or be punished.” In other words, Mr. Trump’s litigation threats represent an attempt to silence dissenting voices.

The lawsuit threats are part of his larger philosophy.

• He has stated his desire to make it easier for public figures — including politicians — to sue when they are criticized. Here is a statement that he made, during his candidacy:

“One of the things I’m going to do if I win…I’m going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We’re going to open up those libel laws. So when the New York Times writes a hit piece which is a total disgrace or when the Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they’re totally protected…. We’re going to open up libel laws folks, and we’re going to have people sue you like you’ve never got sued before.”

If he were to somehow “open up libel laws,” then this would create the larger problem that wealthy businesses and persons could fund expensive litigation against media entities that financially cripples and destroys them – and, if media entities knew this beforehand (particularly, smaller entities that lack funds to defend lawsuits), then this would serve as a deterrent to their criticizing the rich and powerful.

He is comfortable with those who seek to suppress dissent.

• He publicly admires Vladimir Putin – who famously suppresses dissent, by arrests and raids, property seizures, jail sentences, and allegedly killing critics.

• He unapologetically quotes Mussolini, who was a Fascist and engaged in heavy censorship.

His attitudes are deeply-rooted.

• In the 1970s and ’80s, his views were shaped by his long-term mentor Roy Cohn, who sought to silence those with opposing views, through his work with Senator Joseph McCarthy.

• In 1990, he expressed some admiration for the Chinese government’s
response to the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 — when the Chinese government reportedly killed hundreds, if not thousands, of protesters. Mr. Trump made the following statement, in a 1990 interview:

“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength.”

When this statement was brought up more recently (in a 2016 primary debate), Mr. Trump claimed that his earlier statement “was not endorsing” the Chinese government’s actions. Nonetheless, during the primary debate, he parroted a characterization of the Tiananmen Square protests as a “riot.” That characterization, of course, inherently provides some justification or rationale for the Chinese government’s response. However, the characterization (as a “riot”) has been debunked — which explains the immediate backlash against Mr. Trump’s comments. His mischaracterization of the protests — as a “riot” — was consistent with Mr. Trump’s predisposition against public expressions of dissent.

He seeks obedience, docility, and conformity – asking his followers to pledge a “loyalty oath” and describing his supporters as his silent majority” (recycling Nixon’s phrase).

His media supporters champion a world in which executive power is used to punish political opponents, as retaliation for their taking positions adverse to those holding power: Fox News advocated that Trump seek a criminal prosecution of Hillary Clinton (for alleged offenses relating to her email account), as retribution for her participation in Jill Stein’s recount efforts – which, according to Fox News, showed Clinton’s lack of “gratitude” to Trump, for his previous announcement that he did not desire to have her prosecuted.

What about Mr. Trump’s own right of free speech, as an ordinary private citizen? By running for public office and getting elected, he has already ceased to be an ordinary private citizen. No one would argue that a law enforcement officer — who yells, “Hands up!” — is exercising a private citizen’s right of free speech. Similarly, Mr. Trump has engaged in attacks against dissenters, while occupying the position of President-Elect (which is an official role that, among other things, entitles him to the highest-level security briefing, brings Secret Service protection (costing $2m per day), and carries authority to make Cabinet nominations); he represents the Executive Branch of the Federal Government – which falls under the First Amendment’s purview (as noted long ago in an opinion by Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black). The Supreme Court has repeatedly expressed the need for the government to avoid deterring freedom of expression — i.e., the Court has recognized the dangers of the government’s casting a “chilling effect on free speech.” Mr. Trump’s executive power will only increase when he takes office (days from now).

What will he do, once he is in office? In a Fox News interview (with Sean Hannity) on January 11, Trump’s close ally Newt Gingrich laid down the gauntlet — as he described “the fight that’s coming” between Trump and the media. Gingrich said that the Trump administration should suspend (above-mentioned) CNN reporter Jim Acosta (from White House access) for 60 days for his inappropriate behavior at the press conference (of January 11). Gingrich advocated such a suspension “just as a signal, frankly, to all the other reporters that there are going to be real limits, and when you get beyond those limits, you ain’t gonna be there.” Gingrich also said that the Trump administration “can close down the elite press.” According to Gingrich, “the White House press corps has this self-importance that the Trump team had better figure out how to break up” — for example, Gingrich suggested that established media personnel could be replaced (in the White House press corps) with out-of-town media members who would be more “courteous” and would not be “adversarial” to Mr. Trump.

Meanwhile, as observed on this website, the Trump administration is seriously considering evicting journalists from the White House press room and relocating them elsewhere — as at least one senior official sees the press as “the opposition party” and “want[s] ‘em out of the building.”

So, are First Amendment freedom of expression rights in danger of coming “under trauma”? If you think so, then perhaps you will find that this statement (from 2012) — which advocates the exercise of the right to protest — has now become timely: “We can’t let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty.” Of course, that statement — whose source might surprise you — hearkens back to Dr. King’s march on Washington, which is an appropriate image for the celebration of MLK Day. Enjoy!

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:05:20am

I think you just wanted to use every tag you had stored. //

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:06:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:06:33am
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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:07:14am

Excellent page, although the “witless fucking cocksplat” tag seems to be missing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:07:54am

Fucked я us!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:08:26am
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wrenchwench  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:11:45am

re: #4 EPR-radar

Excellent page, although the “witless fucking cocksplat” tag seems to be missing.

Awaiting the private tag for tags, perhaps.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:12:09am

Wow. Thanks for pulling this together. Chilling to see it all in one place.

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S'latch  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:12:12am

Oh, my! This is a big post! I will be reading this over the next couple of days. Thank you for preparing this great post!

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:12:24am

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Watching reporters wake up is going to be like watching people disconnect from the Matrix. I wonder which reporter will decide they’d rather be reconnected.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:13:44am

re: #10 Belafon

“Do you want that delicious Trump steak or do you want the realization that it’s a piece of crap?”

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darthstar  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:17:05am

Whoever wrote this did a great job. Seriously…this post is rich with information.

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:17:39am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

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“He really would have liked me.”

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:19:07am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

He must have been wonderful, he got a holiday named after him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:23:24am

Report this twitter account!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:23:51am

Sorry not sorry

Facebook Post

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:24:04am

Serial plagiarist not joining pathological liar’s administration.

Monica Crowley bows out of Trump administration post following plagiarism revelations

money.cnn.com

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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:25:00am

re: #14 Belafon

He must have been wonderful, he got a holiday named after him.

Hopefully this won’t give Trump ideas. Trump wouldn’t be satisfied with just one day, he’d want a whole month named after himself. September would become Trumpember. The bigliest and classiest month of all.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:25:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:26:05am
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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:27:55am

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Which other one did he skip?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:30:07am

re: #21 Belafon

Which other one did he skip?

GWB in 2001

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Bubblehead II  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:30:55am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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S'latch  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:34:11am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

It appears that he only skips the illegitimate ones. I think I am starting to see a pattern here.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:34:56am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:35:36am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Think of all that money he is saving. ///

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:36:30am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

I wonder if Bruce contacted them.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:36:34am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

GWB in 2001

And how could anyone have any questions about that election…

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wrenchwench  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:39:07am
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Joe Bacon  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:39:23am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

I’m sure that the Branson regulars will fill in!

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:39:57am

Lee Greenwood and the Lee Street Band.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:41:38am

We’re seriously closing in on Ted Nugent performing a medley of his hit, over and over.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:42:51am

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

We’re seriously closing in on Ted Nugent performing a medley of his hit, over and over.

Will he warm the audience up for Victoria Jackson?

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allegro  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:43:48am

re: #26 PhillyPretzel

Think of all that money he is saving. ///

He’ll need it to pay people to fill all the empty seats so he can pretend to be popular.

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:44:59am

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

We’re seriously closing in on Ted Nugent performing a medley of his hit, over and over.

The Palin Family Ted Nugent Tribute Band is packed and waiting for the call. They’ll work for beer and bullets.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:45:32am

re: #34 allegro

True. Didn’t someone post that information yesterday?

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:46:13am

“…Trump has repeatedly refused to give press credentials to major news outlets when he disagrees with coverage decisions.

Reporters who do not receive press credentials are sometimes still able to attend Trump events as members of the general public. But sometimes the denial of press credentials restricts access altogether.

BuzzFeed, Politico, The Daily Beast, Univision, and The Huffington Post are among other outlets that have been blocked in recent months. Some journalists have described this as an emerging Trump “blacklist.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:46:41am

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

We’re seriously closing in on Ted Nugent performing a medley of his hit, over and over.

Heh, I see what you did there. Well played.

You know I bet Bruce Springsteen could get another hit song off the Trump presidency.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:47:07am

re: #28 Mike Lamb

At this point, in order to keep what is left of my sanity I am just going to play a cognitive slight of hand with my brain and reality and just think the next 4 years is merely some grand Dystopian Performance Art. The objective being of course being how far we have come since the 1850’s with social and economic progress and what it is like to temporarily remove such progress. We then can use this art-inspired knowledge to re-instate and reinforce laws and regulations back to where they were and strengthen those proven to benefit the most.

… the alternative reality being we are just simply fucked.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:47:40am

re: #37 jaunte

He won’t blow up the house, he’ll just dismantle it brick by brick.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:47:51am

i keep seeing these things on FB, people trying to make nice between Trump voters and the rest of us, as if the whole thing is just about nice people disagreeing over a sporting event. I am seriously tired of that shit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:48:59am

Also, I would just like to state I am not a bandwagon Trump hater. I couldn’t stand that asshole long before he ran for Office.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:49:15am

re: #37 jaunte

And those who say it is a blacklist will be put on the “double secret blacklist list.”

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:49:54am

re: #43 PhillyPretzel

They should never agreed to be put in a cage at his rallies.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:50:42am
Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength.

Jesus effing Christ, “the power of strength”. Every time I encounter that quote I am struck anew by how utterly vapid and morally bankrupt it is.

This is not going to work, America. Not at all.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:51:16am

re: #44 jaunte

True. The “press pen” was the start of a lot of bad ideas.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:51:52am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:52:24am
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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:52:32am

re: #37 jaunte

Part of me is still trying to get used to Politico being on the not-Republican side.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:52:44am

re: #37 jaunte

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Well no fucking shit it’s a blacklist. Good Christ how could this surprise anyone? Mimosa even said that all the critics would have to “bow down”. You think she made that up herself? Fuck…Christie was whacked over shit that happened years ago. Trump’s still pissed about EU environmental regs that affected one of his properties in Scotland or Ireland. And suddenly people are surprised that he’s taking retribution against news outlets?

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:52:53am

re: #46 PhillyPretzel

“Volunteer to be Othered, and you can do your reporting job.”
“Okey-doke, the rally must be covered!”

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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:53:38am
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:54:23am

That’s a hell of a summary.

The one thing I’d add—Trump’s use of nondisclosure agreements…many apparently with non-disparagement clauses—-all across his businesses and his campaign.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:55:19am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:56:16am

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

But you see. If you cannot see or touch it, it’s FAKE!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:57:13am

hahahahahaaaa

Donald Trump will take office as one of the most unpopular President-elects in recent history — and even scalpers are feeling the pain.

Some flippers, who acquired tickets to Trump’s inauguration with the intent of reselling them on the secondary market, are striking out in their efforts to peddle them and are now looking at some relatively “yuge” losses.

Yossi Rosenberg, 36, of upper Manhattan, told the Daily News he bought a pair of tickets to Friday’s Washington, D.C. event from a woman in Westchester County for $700, thinking he could flip them for at least twice as much.

But nobody’s biting.

For crying out loud…the inauguration committee can’t even give away the tickets for free.

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Lidane  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:58:18am

Meanwhile, Texas Republicans are focused on the important issues:

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:58:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:59:08am

boo-fecki-hoo

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:59:08am

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

i keep seeing these things on FB, people trying to make nice between Trump voters and the rest of us, as if the whole thing is just about nice people disagreeing over a sporting event. I am seriously tired of that shit.

So here’s how I replied to one of them, this morning:

Over the past year and a half, I watched as Trump said a man who spent 5 years being tortured in a Hanoi POW camp wasn’t a hero, because he got captured. I watched him attack an American judge saying he would be unable to do his job fairly because his parents were Mexican. I watched him attack a Gold Star family for daring to disagree with him. I watched him attack women for daring to talk back to him. I watched him promise to ban an entire religion from entering the US. I watched him lie, and lie, and lie, and lie. I watched him encourage violence from his followers against any dissent. We all saw it. If you voted for Trump, you may not be racist, misogynistic, or hateful, but you were completely okay with choosing a President who is all of those things and more. This has taught me that America is not what I thought, that Americans are not WHO I thought.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 16, 2017 • 11:59:18am

Not seeing anything in the news yet.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:04:58pm

re: #61 Bubblehead II

I am sorry the only information I can find is Wiki. en.wikipedia.org

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:05:34pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

Report this twitter account!

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:08:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:08:21pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

Steve, even a blind man could have seen that coming.

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austin_blue  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:09:11pm

So here’s a good OpEd:

blog.lareviewofbooks.org

Well worth the read.

Happy MLK Day, my friends.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:13:31pm

oh….

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:13:48pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

We’re seriously closing in on Ted Nugent performing a medley of his hit, over and over.

Cat Scratch Fever forever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:14:29pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:20:01pm
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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:23:10pm

re: #60 Blind Frog Belly White

Over the past year and a half, I watched as Trump said a man who spent 5 years being tortured in a Hanoi POW camp wasn’t a hero, because he got captured. I watched him attack an American judge saying he would be unable to do his job fairly because his parents were Mexican. I watched him attack a Gold Star family for daring to disagree with him. I watched him attack women for daring to talk back to him. I watched him promise to ban an entire religion from entering the US. I watched him lie, and lie, and lie, and lie. I watched him encourage violence from his followers against any dissent. We all saw it. If you voted for Trump, you may not be think you’re racist, misogynistic, or hateful, but you were completely okay with choosing a President who is all of those things and more. This has taught me that America is not what I thought, that Americans are not WHO I thought.

Very nice. I’ve suggested a change in case the occasion to re-use this comes up.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:23:11pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:26:40pm

GAH!!!

That fucking face at the top.

Has anyone that is to be taken seriously ever mugged like this ever?

Do a Google search, the guy is just a complete ass. His fake smile, his fake anger, his fake fake…

And he is going to be called President of the United States.

And we will be looked at by the world as a joke. And we deserve it, not some of us individually, but as a country we are a joke.

Hopefully people realize the joke isn’t funny and make him NOT President of the United States very soon.

And yeah, I know…Pence is bad. But should Trump be run out, the slime is going to cover Pence too as well as the entire Republican party for allowing this mug to mug. Pence will be damaged for trying to make Trump more than what he is. That goes for Ryan and McConnell too.

So frustrated. Friday is going to be real tough to take.

GAH!!!

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:27:58pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

Very nice. I’ve suggested a change in case the occasion to re-use this comes up.

One of the best lines from Hidden Figures is when the woman who is over Octavia Spencer’s character says “I don’t have anything against you people” and the reply is “I know you’d like to think that.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:31:22pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

Very nice. I’ve suggested a change in case the occasion to re-use this comes up.

I find that saying someone is a racist, etc. makes them clamp down and get defensive, so even though I think being okay with all that shit pretty much means you ARE that shit, I prefer to leave that unsaid.

The galling thing is all those people who will list the reasons they couldn’t vote for HRC, but pretty much anything negative they say is VASTLY more true of Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:36:03pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:36:50pm

re: #61 Bubblehead II

Not seeing anything in the news yet.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:37:53pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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I sometimes worry that torture might be turned against U.S. citizens, not just terrorists.

This Orange Mess has no regard for people of color. The Central Park Five bit proved that.

His picking Sessions is a signal he buys Sessions record and he probably hopes Session IS the Jeffry Beauregard Sessions that everyone fears.

Yeah, I fear the Trump, because he is such a drunk on power wild card.

My hope lies with all the good people of this country that know how this country should be and they do what is needed to keep this fool in check. My hope the good citizens of this country bombard their Government Reps and Senators with messages and demonstrations this country has never seen.

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allegro  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:37:58pm

re: #74 Belafon

One of the best lines from Hidden Figures is when the woman who is over Octavia Spencer’s character says “I don’t have anything against you people” and the reply is “I know you’d like to think that.”

I live in a heavily minority area (city really) and grocery shop at a local market where white faces are few. Most all of my encounters are entirely pleasant. Yesterday as I went to get in line a woman was kind of straddling between two lines and I asked her if she was in the line I was fixing to get in to make sure I wasn’t cutting in front of her. She wouldn’t look at me, just kinda pointed at the other line. She was an older black woman, quite dour.

My first thought wasn’t, “boy she’s unfriendly”. It was “yanno, I can’t blame you. In your place I wouldn’t be feeling much friendship for a white face either”.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:38:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:38:48pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:39:48pm

re: #77 FormerDirtDart

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The day will come soon when no living human will have set foot on the moon. It’s not looking like we’ll get back there before the last one dies.

And that’s a shame. I grew up in the Space Age, when we all wanted to be astronauts, when we assumed that by now we’d have big space stations, and at least one colony on the moon.

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:40:14pm

re: #77 FormerDirtDart

Nitpick alert:

Should say “the most recent human to walk on the moon.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:41:48pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:42:05pm

re: #83 SteveMcG RN

Nitpick alert:

Should say “the most recent human to walk on the moon.”

You’re assuming there’ll be more.

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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:43:35pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

I find that saying someone is a racist, etc. makes them clamp down and get defensive, so even though I think being okay with all that shit pretty much means you ARE that shit, I prefer to leave that unsaid.

The galling thing is all those people who will list the reasons they couldn’t vote for HRC, but pretty much anything negative they say is VASTLY more true of Trump.

I realize that people shut down when the accusations of racism etc. start flying. Even otherwise sensible people can get completely wrapped around the axle by terminology (e.g., ‘white privilege’).

However, catering to self-serving delusions that people who are OK supporting Trump are somehow (magically?) not racists etc. may be something civilized people can no longer afford to do.

Republican racism is like climate change — in both cases the first job is to deal with denial.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:43:37pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

You’re assuming there’ll be more.

I think the Chinese will have people up there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:44:05pm

re: #83 SteveMcG RN

Nitpick alert:

Should say “the most recent human to walk on the moon.”

In this instance last man (as opposed to first man, for instance) = most recent, if you want to be really picky.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:45:51pm

heh

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Mattand  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:46:47pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

boo-fecki-hoo

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I know Steve Harvey’s feelings towards atheists (spoiler alert: thinks we’re monsters), so fuck him.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:46:48pm

re: #37 jaunte

BuzzFeed, Politico, The Daily Beast, Univision, and The Huffington Post are among other outlets that have been blocked in recent months. Some journalists have described this as an emerging Trump “blacklist.”

Wake up America! This buffoon is crapping on all of us and wiping himself with The U.S. Constitution.

Crude? Yes. Crude for the crude.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:48:55pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

i keep seeing these things on FB, people trying to make nice between Trump voters and the rest of us, as if the whole thing is just about nice people disagreeing over a sporting event. I am seriously tired of that shit.

Isn’t that a sign of people figuring out they may have screwed up…bigly?

Sure seems like it.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:48:56pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

You’re assuming there’ll be more.

China plans on setting up a base on the moon.

China plans to reach Mars by 2020 and eventually build a moon base

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:50:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:51:21pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:51:33pm

re: #91 ObserverArt

Wake up America! This buffoon is crapping on all of us and wiping himself with The U.S. Constitution.

Crude? Yes. Crude for the crude.

One thing about being blacklisted - you no longer have to be concerned about losing access to him. You can write the unvarnished truth without fear of being cut off from ‘sources’. I think access blackmail has been one of Trump’s more effective strategies, and the funny thing is, the outlets who try to make nice so he won’t cut them off, like CNN hiring somebody who was literally on Trump’s payroll, find out it makes no difference anyway.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:52:04pm

re: #93 Bubblehead II

China plans on setting up a base on the moon.

China plans to reach Mars by 2020 and eventually build a moon base

Well, I guess the American Century was nice while it lasted.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:54:02pm

re: #50 Mike Lamb

Well no fucking shit it’s a blacklist. Good Christ how could this surprise anyone? Mimosa even said that all the critics would have to “bow down”. You think she made that up herself? Fuck…Christie was whacked over shit that happened years ago. Trump’s still pissed about EU environmental regs that affected one of his properties in Scotland or Ireland. And suddenly people are surprised that he’s taking retribution against news outlets?

No one was paying attention while the toilet was overflowing. It had been happening for years. The floors warped. The wood rotted. The toilet fell through to the basement. But no one noticed because they saw the front of the house and it looked good to them.

They didn’t realize it was like a Hollywood set. Go around back and look at the 2x4s propping up the plywood.

Kick one of those 2x4s out and the whole thing falls apart.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:58:31pm

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, I guess the American Century was nice while it lasted.

I wish we were inclined to do that as a nation, rather than hoping a private company would do it. But instead, our biggest project seems to be seeing how to screw over minorities and the poor in the name of Christianity.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 12:58:58pm

re: #98 ObserverArt

No one was paying attention while the toilet was overflowing. It had been happening for years. The floors warped. The wood rotted. The toilet fell through to the basement. But no one noticed because they saw the front of the house and it looked good to them.

They didn’t realize it was like a Hollywood set. Go around back and look at the 2x4s propping up the plywood.

Kick one of those 2x4s out and the whole thing falls apart.

I can’t help it. This popped into my head….

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:02:29pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

boo-fecki-hoo

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Steve demonstrated to himself he is a dumbass for not knowing there would be that kind of a backlash…especially from the people of color he often puts down.

Pretty hard to feel sorry for someone so ignorant. He probably was counting the dollars and power, what it would mean to his career.

Hahahahaha…not so funny is it funny man?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:03:31pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:05:21pm

re: #91 ObserverArt

Wake up America! This buffoon is crapping on all of us and wiping himself with The U.S. Constitution.

Crude? Yes. Crude for the crude.

The article linked is from before the Republican convention. His attitude got him votes, first to be nominated, then to be elected.

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bratwurst  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:08:13pm

I know he mostly does this kind of thing for attention, and we should all ignore him. Even so, when a noted vituperative asshole says something like this…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:10:59pm

re: #104 bratwurst

Amazing, isn’t it? I’d have bet good money that Joe Walsh was the biggest asshole on the planet, and yet it turns out that not only are there MUCH BIGGER assholes, but he’s actually right on occasion.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:11:29pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:12:56pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:13:13pm

re: #93 Bubblehead II

China plans on setting up a base on the moon.

China plans to reach Mars by 2020 and eventually build a moon base

The gibbering masses here in the Idiocracy will respond by claiming it didn’t really happen.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:14:14pm

re: #104 bratwurst

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:14:44pm

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel

The gibbering masses here in the Idiocracy will respond by claiming it didn’t really happen.

Or blaming Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:14:52pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

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previous notable DT heroes tweet:

and who can forget KellyAnne?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:15:11pm

re: #105 Blind Frog Belly White

Amazing, isn’t it? I’d have bet good money that Joe Walsh was the biggest asshole on the planet, and yet it turns out that not only are there MUCH BIGGER assholes, but he’s actually right on occasion.

He is also still an asshole on many other occasions. Nevertheless, slight bit of credit given for being occasionally sensible.

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:15:34pm

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel

Man can you imagine Chinese Moon Troofers?

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wrenchwench  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:18:02pm

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel

The gibbering masses here in the Idiocracy will respond by claiming it didn’t really happen.

WE WERE FIRST NOT TO DO IT!!!

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:19:25pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:20:32pm

re: #113 SteveMcG RN

Man can you imagine Chinese Moon Troofers?

Till the Chinese write “Fuck You” on the moon in letters visible from Earth…

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Bubblehead II  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:21:15pm

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel

The gibbering masses here in the Idiocracy will respond by claiming it didn’t really happen.

Nah. They’ll start screaming that we should have been the first and demanding we set up our own base right now.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:21:20pm
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MsJ  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:22:57pm

re: #58 jaunte

Otherwise known as a trump training film.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:23:17pm

If it weren’t for the brutally repressing dissent by the Chinese….

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Joe Bacon  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:23:20pm

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel

The gibbering masses here in the Idiocracy will respond by claiming it didn’t really happen.

Americans will be too involved in Bible studies to notice.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:23:22pm

re: #83 SteveMcG RN

Nitpick alert:

Should say “the most recent human to walk on the moon.”

The language fails you. You know words have multiple definitions.

From Mirriam Webster online.

4. last
adverb
Definition of last

1: after all others : at the end
2: most lately
3: in conclusion

Link

From The FreeDictionary online.

adv.
1. After all others in chronology or sequence: arrived last.
2. Most recently: a fashion last popular in the 1940s.
3. At the end; finally: Add the butter last.

Link

I’m surprised you didn’t know this. You might be pedantic. I worry that we don’t use words in all the great ways they can be used. I’ve said it before, a quote from a famous poet: poetry is dead. Why, because we have limited the words to their most basic uses.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:23:28pm

re: #115 MsJ

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BeachDem  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:23:54pm

re: #37 jaunte

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Charles P. Pierce has often said not to fuck with Marty Baron.

See “Spotlight” for further confirmation.

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Joe Bacon  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:24:35pm

re: #113 SteveMcG RN

Man can you imagine Chinese Moon Troofers?

Yes.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:25:17pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

In this instance last man (as opposed to first man, for instance) = most recent, if you want to be really picky.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:25:51pm

re: #123 Bubblehead II

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Something, something, fuck Twitter…

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:26:15pm

re: #122 ObserverArt

I’m hip to that but in this instance I want clarity, not poetry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:26:44pm

re: #123 Bubblehead II

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:27:52pm

re: #128 SteveMcG RN

I’m hip to that but in this instance I want clarity, not poetry.

“I am the last person to insult a British sailor, Sir Joseph!”

“You are the last person who did.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:28:13pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:28:16pm

Wow, when you lose the B-Street Band

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:29:21pm

re: #128 SteveMcG RN

I’m hip to that but in this instance I want clarity, not poetry.

I can’t think of any other meaning for “last man to walk on the moon” than the person who was on the moon the last time men went to the moon, which would be most recently, and was the last to walk on it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:29:24pm

re: #128 SteveMcG RN

I’m hip to that but in this instance I want clarity, not poetry.

It was pretty clear to me, but I already knew Cernan was the last person to walk on the moon.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:30:26pm

re: #103 wrenchwench

The article linked is from before the Republican convention. His attitude got him votes, first to be nominated, then to be elected.

I know. I remember reading the article.

But my point is now he is the president and he has to be presidential and be responsible to the law. There will be enough people that realize there is a difference from running to being. Now he has the job and the U.S. Constitution really counts.

I just hope we have the enforcement. There really is none during the primaries.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:30:54pm

re: #132 FormerDirtDart

Wow, when you lose the B-Street Band

Trump’s left with 3 Doors Down. The band then goes to a strawberry festival where tickets are still available.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:31:13pm
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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:31:55pm

re: #133 Belafon

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

:)

Screw you guys, I’m going home!!!!

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MsJ  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:31:56pm

re: #123 Bubblehead II

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:34:30pm

re: #128 SteveMcG RN

I’m hip to that but in this instance I want clarity, not poetry.

You could just admit you are wrong. Their use was fine.

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:35:29pm

re: #140 ObserverArt

You could just admit you are wrong. Their use was fine.

You just don’t understand the responsibility that goes with being a know it all.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:37:01pm

re: #141 SteveMcG RN

You just don’t understand the responsibility that goes with being a know it all.

You don’t think we know you?

Damn man, give us some credit! /

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:37:23pm

re: #141 SteveMcG RN

You just don’t understand the responsibility that goes with being a know it all.

My 30+ years as a writer and editor trump your know-it-allness when it comes down to stuff like this.

:D

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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:37:25pm

re: #105 Blind Frog Belly White

Amazing, isn’t it? I’d have bet good money that Joe Walsh was the biggest asshole on the planet, and yet it turns out that not only are there MUCH BIGGER assholes, but he’s actually right on occasion.

Trump is such a giant asshole he affects the tides of the moons of Jupiter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:38:53pm

BOOM

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BeachDem  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:39:11pm

re: #94 Belafon

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Wonder if they’ll follow it with “The Manchurian Candidate.”

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:39:22pm

re: #142 ObserverArt

One thing I’ve learned in my ten month nursing career, and I pass it on to the orientees, (and they ignore it) is that you cannot be afraid to risk making a fool of yourself.

Having said that, I will not concede to the second string pedants here, my version was more optimal. SO THERE!!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:39:57pm

BBC reporting the Istanbul nightclub terrorist has been captured. That’s all they are reporting now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:40:57pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Social Security cards with photos prove nothing in regard to voter eligibility, and “affordable passport cards” is just another version of a poll tax.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:41:47pm

re: #147 SteveMcG RN

One thing I’ve learned in my ten month nursing career, and I pass it on to the orientees, (and they ignore it) is that you cannot be afraid to risk making a fool of yourself.

Having said that, I will not concede to the second string pedants here, my version was more optimal. SO THERE!!

Doubling down is always a winning strategy. Thumbs up!

:D

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:43:17pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Besides, I’m an award winning writer. My research paper on the misuses of appeasement as an precedent in history won second place at the Community College of Philadelphia in 2014. I lost out to some sappy feel good piece about starving children in the inner city of something like that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:43:24pm

Kids at a D.C. family shelter having fun on what used to be Malia and Sasha’s playset at the White House. @POTUS and @FLOTUS donated it.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:43:48pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:45:21pm

re: #147 SteveMcG RN

One thing I’ve learned in my ten month nursing career, and I pass it on to the orientees, (and they ignore it) is that you cannot be afraid to risk making a fool of yourself.

Having said that, I will not concede to the second string pedants here, my version was more optimal. SO THERE!!

You wear the crown well.

I also understand you probably follow journalistic standards. That would to write for it to be easy for a 12-year-old to understand.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:45:31pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:46:22pm

re: #151 SteveMcG RN

The “feel good piece” would go over big at CCP. Anything else would get an honorable mention. I too went to CCP so I know from first hand experience.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:47:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:49:08pm
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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:49:20pm

re: #156 PhillyPretzel

I enjoyed CCP. It was a way to acclimate myself to school again, and I hardly ever saw the same students in any class. The way I saw it we were all misfits of one kind or another.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:49:57pm
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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:51:28pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m really hoping The Day After Tomorrow remains a fictional movie.

Yes, I know nothing would actually happen that fast. Then again, I didn’t think Trump would get elected.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:51:30pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

I posted that on FB, saying we Smiths are founding members. All of the Smiths on my feed agreed.

Irritatingly, so did several NON-Smiths.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:53:46pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:54:01pm

re: #161 Belafon

I’m really hoping The Day After Tomorrow remains a fictional movie.

Yes, I know nothing would actually happen that fast. Then again, I didn’t think Trump would get elected.

Well, not only will nothing happen that fast, but what they suggested couldn’t happen at all. PV still = nRT, after all. The reason the stratosphere is cold is because the pressure is very low. If it suddenly decided to descend to sea level, as in the Day After Tomorrow, guess what? It wouldn’t be cold anymore.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:54:31pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:55:21pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Other countries: “Medical bankruptcy? What does that even mean?”

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:55:39pm

re: #161 Belafon

I’m really hoping The Day After Tomorrow remains a fictional movie.

Yes, I know nothing would actually happen that fast. Then again, I didn’t think Trump would get elected.

I’m not worried. I live in northern Florida.
I may have to pickup some decent winter clothes though.
//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:55:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:56:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:58:13pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:58:24pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Neat. It reminds me of a pretty gemstone. Alexandrite. en.wikipedia.org

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:59:12pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

YOU’RE ALL IN CAHOOTS!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 1:59:58pm

re: #172 SteveMcG RN

YOU’RE ALL IN CAHOOTS!

hahahahahahahaaaaaa

yes, we are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:00:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:00:06pm

re: #151 SteveMcG RN

Besides, I’m an award winning writer. My research paper on the misuses of appeasement as an precedent in history won second place at the Community College of Philadelphia in 2014. I lost out to some sappy feel good piece about starving children in the inner city of something like that.

Christ, by that standard I’m an award winning artist for the countour line drawing I did in 9th grade that got a statewide Honorable Mention.

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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:00:27pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

How many times a week is too many times to call your representatives?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:01:11pm

re: #176 Belafon

How many times a week is too many times to call your representatives?

it’s unlimited, according to my activist handbook.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:01:26pm
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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:01:43pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

It depends. What state?

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:02:19pm

re: #172 SteveMcG RN

YOU’RE ALL IN CAHOOTS!

The world is against you Steve!!!

Messages are being sent…do your hear the voices in your head? They are coming from the moon. This will not be the last!

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:02:26pm

re: #176 Belafon

How many times a week is too many times to call your representatives?

Did they get a restraining order yet?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:03:19pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

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One further thought on ‘Last Man To Walk On The Moon’ - before the election, I’d have confidently stated Cernan would not be the last man EVER to walk on the moon.

Now? Not so confident.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:04:53pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

Christ, by that standard I’m an award winning artist for the countour line drawing I did in 9th grade that got a statewide Honorable Mention.

my two Emmy awards for writing (children’s local television programming in Chicago) pale in comparison…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:05:01pm

re: #176 Belafon

How many times a week is too many times to call your representatives?

I’m blessed with Kamala Harris and Dianne Feinstein as Senators, and Jackie Speier as Representative. Am I a bad citizen for not feeling like I need to call them, because they’re already on the case?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:05:58pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

my two Emmy awards for writing (children’s local television programming in Chicago) pale in comparison…

Hey, Mom and Dad put that picture up over their bed for years!

Mind you, it aged badly, since it was pencil on cheap paper…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:06:04pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

One further thought on ‘Last Man To Walk On The Moon’ - before the election, I’d have confidently stated Cernan would not be the last man EVER to walk on the moon.

Now? Not so confident.

well, last American, perhaps.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:06:33pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s unlimited, according to my activist handbook.

Ohio Senator Rob Portman and I have a thing.

Sadly, I have not made the block list yet. They always respond with GOP boilerplate. Then a day or so later I get back on his email list and I once again I am forced to unsubscribe.

It’s some kind of a little game. I want him to lose.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:07:00pm

re: #179 SteveMcG RN

It depends. What state?

Haha.

Pennsylvania.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:07:26pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m blessed with Kamala Harris and Dianne Feinstein as Senators, and Jackie Speier as Representative. Am I a bad citizen for not feeling like I need to call them, because they’re already on the case?

you could call them just to let them know you support their actions.
People are generally quick to complain, not so quick to compliment.

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:07:38pm

re: #180 ObserverArt

Funny you should mention that. On the job I’m so busy I don’t have to deal with it. Off days, I’ve kind of adapted but with some godawful consequences. Nights are still brutal. But some days, when the doc is in doing psych consults, I practically hide from him. I don’t know why I bother. I think just about everybody’s on to me, but what the heck, nobody has time to do anything about it.

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electrotek  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:08:06pm

re: #148 GlutenFreeJesus

BBC reporting the Istanbul nightclub terrorist has been captured. That’s all they are reporting now.

A shame Turkey doesn’t have the death penalty still.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:08:36pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Phone in a compliment. Wow. That will make their day. :)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:10:45pm

re: #192 PhillyPretzel

Phone in a complement. Wow. That will make their day. :)

You mean, say something insincere, but blandly complimentary?
//////

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:11:20pm

re: #193 Blind Frog Belly White

lol

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KGxvi  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:11:29pm

re: #193 Blind Frog Belly White

You mean, say something insincere, but blandly complimentary?
//////

Works both ways, they’re in politics, so they’ll get it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:11:37pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:12:01pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:12:18pm

re: #190 SteveMcG RN

Funny you should mention that. On the job I’m so busy I don’t have to deal with it. Off days, I’ve kind of adapted but with some godawful consequences. Nights are still brutal. But some days, when the doc is in doing psych consults, I practically hide from him. I don’t know why I bother. I think just about everybody’s on to me, but what the heck, nobody has time to do anything about it.

I give you big cred for working as a nurse. It is the work of angels.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:13:08pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

One further thought on ‘Last Man To Walk On The Moon’ - before the election, I’d have confidently stated Cernan would not be the last man EVER to walk on the moon.

Now? Not so confident.

Well if it’s any consolation, wouldn’t put it past the Chinese to land the first woman on the moon if for no OTHER reason THAN the propaganda value of doing it.

Edited since the grammar nazi’s are making their rounds. :-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:14:04pm

Steve, this one’s for you:

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wrenchwench  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:15:14pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

[Asked about heroes, on MLK weekend, Trump comes up with his father and, well, himself]

Well, I don’t like heroes, I don’t like the concept of heroes, the concept of heroes is never great, but certainly you can respect certain people and certainly there are certain people — but I’ve learnt a lot from my father — my father was a builder in Brooklyn and Queens — he did houses and housing and I learnt a lot about negotiation from my father — although I also think negotiation is a natural trait, I don’t think you can, you either have it or you don’t, you get better at it but basically, the people that I know who are great negotiators or great salesmen or great politicians, it’s very natural, very natural

Kinda like being white…. you either got it or you don’t. Very natural, and also, a bit Nazi.

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darthstar  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:16:03pm

re: #107 FormerDirtDart

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So even The Aristocrats canceled?

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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:16:44pm

Hahahahah

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darthstar  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:18:00pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:18:14pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:18:18pm

re: #197 gocart mozart

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KGxvi  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:18:39pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

Kinda like being white…. you either got it or you don’t. Very natural, and also, a bit Nazi.

Wait, did he actually say “learnt” instead of “learned”? Makes me think of this:

The Toad, having finished his breakfast, picked up a stout stick and swung it vigorously, belabouring imaginary animals. ‘I’ll learn ‘em to steal my house!’ he cried. ‘I’ll learn ‘em, I’ll learn ‘em!’

‘Don’t say “learn ‘em,” Toad,’ said the Rat, greatly shocked. ‘It’s not good English.’

‘What are you always nagging at Toad for?’ inquired the Badger, rather peevishly. ‘What’s the matter with his English? It’s the same what I use myself, and if it’s good enough for me, it ought to be good enough for you!’

‘I’m very sorry,’ said the Rat humbly. ‘Only I think it ought to be “teach ‘em,” not “learn ‘em.”’

‘But we don’t want to teach ‘em,’ replied the Badger. ‘We want to learn ‘em— learn ‘em, learn ‘em! And what’s more, we’re going to do it, too!’

‘Oh, very well, have it your own way,’ said the Rat. He was getting rather muddled about it himself, and presently he retired into a corner, where he could be heard muttering, ‘Learn ‘em, teach ‘em, teach ‘em, learn ‘em!’ till the Badger told him rather sharply to leave off.

(Wind in the Willows, Chapter 11)

As a side note, that’s the only scene I actually remember from that book. The only other thing I remember about that book is that it is the only one that actually put me to sleep (I read it for a book report in the 4th grade)

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petesh  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:19:23pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m blessed with Kamala Harris and Dianne Feinstein as Senators, and Jackie Speier as Representative. Am I a bad citizen for not feeling like I need to call them, because they’re already on the case?

Ah, call them; it’ll do them good to know you’ve got their back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:20:00pm
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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:20:06pm

re: #198 ObserverArt

Fuck that it keeps me going. Nobody else would give two shits if I’m gone but the patients (and my nurses) need me. It’s a very crude way to go about the day. Everything is totally objective. I can see what needs to be done and get to it. If I were in an office I wouldn’t be able to tell what’s real from what isn’t. Eventually I’ll lose my grip but this gig should keep me going for a while.

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:21:24pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s just plagiarizing the NASA tweet (the[EDIT]y’[EDIT]re practically quoting without citation) - SAD

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darthstar  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:23:23pm

re: #206 FormerDirtDart

Losing to Jar-Jar Binks? That’s gotta hurt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:24:54pm

re: #211 SteveMcG RN

That’s just plagiarizing the NASA tweet (there they’re practically quoting without citation) - SAD

teehee….

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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:25:31pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

I tried to edit it before you got their

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KGxvi  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:25:52pm

re: #212 darthstar

Losing to Jar-Jar Binks? That’s gotta hurt.

I still (want to) believe that Jar Jar was supposed to be the ultimate big bad in the prequel trilogy. Would have made the prequels so much better.

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wrenchwench  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:26:12pm

re: #207 KGxvi

Wait, did he actually say “learnt” instead of “learned”? Makes me think of this:

(Wind in the Willows, Chapter 11)

As a side note, that’s the only scene I actually remember from that book. The only other thing I remember about that book is that it is the only one that actually put me to sleep (I read it for a book report in the 4th grade)

I also read the book and remember even less, but my favorite thing about it is Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride at Disneyland (the least wild ride except the People Mover. Somebody actually died on that one, though.)

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KGxvi  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:28:32pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

I also read the book and remember even less, but my favorite thing about it is Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride at Disneyland (the least wild ride except the People Mover. Somebody actually died on that one, though.)

Growing up in Southern California (and Orange County in particular), a couple of things about those rides:

1. The best part of Mr Toad’s Wild Ride was reaching out and trying to hit the cardboard cutouts and getting a voice over telling you to stop doing that

2. The People Mover was known among locals as the People Maker, so even if someone died on it, it’s more than likely a few people were conceived on it; so the numbers balance out.

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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:29:15pm
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darthstar  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:29:22pm
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Belafon  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:29:55pm

re: #207 KGxvi

Wait, did he actually say “learnt” instead of “learned”? Makes me think of this:

(Wind in the Willows, Chapter 11)

As a side note, that’s the only scene I actually remember from that book. The only other thing I remember about that book is that it is the only one that actually put me to sleep (I read it for a book report in the 4th grade)

While we were reading Wind In the Willows, my teacher used the book as a opportunity to explore the aggressive use of adverbs and adjectives:

The toad ate the fly.
The green toad ate the buzzing fly.
The spotty green toad voraciously ate the annoyingly buzzing fly.

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TedStriker  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:30:17pm

re: #215 KGxvi

I still (want to) believe that Jar Jar was supposed to be the ultimate big bad in the prequel trilogy. Would have made the prequels so much better.

I am definitely in the “Jar Jar was supposed to be a Sith Lord and Palpatine/Darth Sidious’ master” camp; it not only makes the prequel trilogy much more interesting, it actually explains some of the loose ends and bodges made to cover Lucas’ change in plans when the idea didn’t test well with audiences and he decided to turn Jar Jar into (tone-deaf stereotypical) comic relief.

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darthstar  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:30:38pm
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darthstar  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:31:46pm

Okay…last one from Roland B. Hedley…found him by way of recommendation from Peter Sagal.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:31:59pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

I also read the book and remember even less, but my favorite thing about it is Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride at Disneyland (the least wild ride except the People Mover. Somebody actually died on that one, though.)

The only thing I remember about that book is him getting busted for grand theft auto, sent to prison, breaking out and then going on the lam.

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darthstar  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:32:58pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:33:24pm

re: #215 KGxvi

Jar Jar is Snoke.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:33:48pm

re: #221 TedStriker

I am definitely in the “Jar Jar was supposed to be a Sith Lord and Palpatine/Darth Sidious’ master”; it not only makes the prequel trilogy much more interesting, it actually explains some of the loose ends and bodges made to cover Lucas’ change in plans when the idea didn’t test well with audiences.

Unfortunately Occams Razor tilts towards Lucas simply being an enormous asshole.

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KGxvi  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:35:20pm

re: #226 GlutenFreeJesus

Jar Jar is Snoke.

That would be fun, but I don’t think that’s the way they’ll go. I half expect Snoke to be a secret Vader apprentice - they’d be able to do a whole new cartoon series about him set between ROTJ and TFA.

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wrenchwench  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:36:09pm

re: #217 KGxvi

Growing up in Southern California (and Orange County in particular), a couple of things about those rides:

1. The best part of Mr Toad’s Wild Ride was reaching out and trying to hit the cardboard cutouts and getting a voice over telling you to stop doing that

2. The People Mover was known among locals as the People Maker, so even if someone died on it, it’s more than likely a few people were conceived on it; so the numbers balance out.

Best Disneyland misbehavior in my family:

My older brother stopped his Small World boat by grabbing the side of the canal. All the other boats backed up behind his.

I tore some paper when the animatronic Lincoln sat down. (Ooooh, I’m so bad!)

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KGxvi  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:38:10pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

Best Disneyland misbehavior in my family:

My older brother stopped his Small World boat by grabbing the side of the canal. All the other boats backed up behind his.

I tore some paper when the animatronic Lincoln sat down. (Ooooh, I’m so bad!)

We used to do that on Pirate of the Caribbean - the stop doing that announcement was in character as a pirate’s voice. We also used to quote the Jungle Cruise lines before we got to those spots on the ride.

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JP Chgo  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:38:56pm

re: #122 ObserverArt

As in “last week”, “last bus”, “last novel”, “last president?”

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nines09  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:39:52pm
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SteveMcG RN  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:40:43pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

If it were up to me I would put the laser guns from Buzz Lightyear on the Small World boats. The lines would be epic.

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TedStriker  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:41:35pm

re: #226 GlutenFreeJesus

Jar Jar is Snoke.

Which leads me to the next Star Wars theory: that Kylo Ren is really a Jedi double-agent under deep cover to take out the remaining Sith master, Supreme Master Snoke, perhaps working with Uncle Luke on the long game. Me and a couple of guys at work were discussing The Force Awakens (and this Kylo Ren theory, in particular) and it makes some sense.

bustle.com

It may all turn out to be nothing, but if Lucasfilm and Disney are going in that direction, it would be a total mindfuck for the fans in the way the Darth Jar Jar could have been..and it would be kickass.

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wrenchwench  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:44:08pm

re: #233 SteveMcG RN

If it were up to me I would put the laser guns from Buzz Lightyear on the Small World boats. The lines would be epic.

On the bobsleds! Wait, those lines are already epic….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:46:39pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

Social Security cards with photos prove nothing in regard to voter eligibility, and “affordable passport cards” is just another version of a poll tax.

A universal national ID card, free of charge, to all citizens. Another version issued to all legal resident aliens to prove their legality to work or apply for benefits or enroll children in schools.

Cheaper than a wall and it will pay for itself within a few years in administrative and social cost savings…

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retired cynic  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:48:09pm

Another good compendium of journalistic hell:

washingtonpost.com

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:55:30pm

re: #234 TedStriker

But Han! :(

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:55:50pm

re: #207 KGxvi

Wait, did he actually say “learnt” instead of “learned”? Makes me think of this:

(Wind in the Willows, Chapter 11)

He said “learned” but that was published in a Canadian newspaper.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:56:14pm

re: #237 retired cynic

Another good compendium of journalistic hell:

washingtonpost.com

The media let Trump lie for months, let him say whatever he wanted unquestioningly, gave him billions of dollars worth of free media coverage, and now we’re supposed to feel sorry for them.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:57:54pm

re: #225 darthstar

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I’d spray that fucker with mace if he came within 5 feet of me or any of my friends.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2017 • 2:58:33pm

re: #225 darthstar

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Has anyone else noticed how much O’Keefe looks like Dylann Roof?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:01:08pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:01:37pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

Has anyone else noticed how much O’Keefe looks like Dylann Roof?

Yes. He’s one creepy looking motherfucker.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:02:14pm

The Older Boy is upset that 3 Doors Down is playing the inauguration, since he likes their music. Mrs. FBW suggested he could break the CD into little pieces and mail it to them as a protest, but he pointed out that they ALREADY have his money.

I didn’t have the heart to tell him everyone else thinks they suck.

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Timothy Watson  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:03:52pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

The Older Boy is upset that 3 Doors Down is playing the inauguration, since he likes their music. Mrs. FBW suggested he could break the CD into little pieces and mail it to them as a protest, but he pointed out that they ALREADY have his money.

I didn’t have the heart to tell him everyone else thinks they suck.

I cannot confirm nor deny that I have any of their music on my playlist.

The nice thing is if I did, the MP3s are older than dirt and I didn’t pay for them. *evil laughter*

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Timothy Watson  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:05:28pm

re: #244 Skip Intro

Yes. He’s one creepy looking motherfucker.

Remember that really creepy proposal that him and another douchebag wrote up that involved essentially kidnapping a female reporter?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:06:37pm

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A universal national ID card, free of charge, to all citizens. Another version issued to all legal resident aliens to prove their legality to work or apply for benefits or enroll children in schools.

Cheaper than a wall and it will pay for itself within a few years in administrative and social cost savings…

Now that the GOP is in charge, and they’re all cool with fascism and all, it’ll no longer be government overreach.

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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:07:03pm

re: #240 Timothy Watson

The media let Trump lie for months, let him say whatever he wanted unquestioningly, gave him billions of dollars worth of free media coverage, and now we’re supposed to feel sorry for them.

A big part of the problem with journalists vs. Trump is that they don’t teach how to cover a powerful smegma elemental like Trump in J-school. Normal reporting of his statements is useless, and even normal criticism of his statements usually misses the larger point that Trump and all his works are shit.

This problem is already very difficult, and the fact that news is run as a business makes it terribly easy for Trump to get what he wants. No news executive had to suffer through the anti-press animosity that Trump whipped up at his rallies, so the obvious response of a press blackout in response to that bit of applied fascism was not even considered.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:07:19pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

Has anyone else noticed how much O’Keefe looks like Dylann Roof?

Or Quasimodo?

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CuriousLurker  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:07:20pm

Another reason I think Mona Eltahawy is an asshole:

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:09:47pm

re: #223 darthstar

Okay…last one from Roland B. Hedley…found him by way of recommendation from Peter Sagal.

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Why can’t I come up with stuff like this?

“I’ve heard the P Street Band has a golden sound.”

thefogbow.com

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:10:10pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

Best Disneyland misbehavior in my family:

My older brother stopped his Small World boat by grabbing the side of the canal. All the other boats backed up behind his.

I tore some paper when the animatronic Lincoln sat down. (Ooooh, I’m so bad!)

As someone who once spent 25 minutes in the stopped Small World ride, next to an animatronic mermaid singing The Song in a piercing soprano, I’m surprised that he survived that.

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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:10:37pm

re: #248 Blind Frog Belly White

Now that the GOP is in charge, and they’re all cool with fascism and all, it’ll no longer be government overreach.

They won’t do it. The apparent idiocy of US immigration policy disappears immediately once it is noted that the current system gives exploitive employers everything they want. No Republican will change that.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:12:18pm

Quote of the day from one of my free book mailings:

“We must rapidly begin the shift from a “thing-oriented” society to a “person-oriented” society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”

― Martin Luther King Jr.

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wrenchwench  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:13:19pm

re: #253 Resistance Is Not Futile

As someone who once spent 25 minutes in the stopped Small World ride, next to an animatronic mermaid singing The Song in a piercing soprano, I’m surprised that he survived that.

If he had been able to stop that music, he’d have gone down Main Street on Mickey’s shoulders. Just talking about it has done an earworm on me.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:19:17pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:24:23pm

re: #257 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I certainly hope so.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:25:23pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

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Dreher and his readers are in full victim butthurt mode over Congressman Lewis, and are darkly hinting that the libtards are gonna get theirs from all right thinking ‘Mercans when they disrupt the inauguration and those faggots sponsor a dance oout side Ike Pence’s house later this week!!!!

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KGxvi  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:26:53pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

The Older Boy is upset that 3 Doors Down is playing the inauguration, since he likes their music. Mrs. FBW suggested he could break the CD into little pieces and mail it to them as a protest, but he pointed out that they ALREADY have his money.

I didn’t have the heart to tell him everyone else thinks they suck.

With the exception of Kryptonite, I can’t think of a song that they did. I probably bought that CD when it came out because I really liked the song, but I always considered them something of a one hit wonder.

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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:26:53pm

re: #259 Scottish Dragon

Dreher and his readers are in full victim butthurt mode over Congressman Lewis, and are darkly hinting that the libtards are gonna get theirs from all right thinking ‘Mercans when they disrupt the inauguration and those faggots sponsor a dance oout side Ike Pence’s house later this week!!!!

Anything to distract from the inconvenient truth that Trump is closer to an anti-Christ than any other president of the US. Ever.

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ObserverArt  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:27:04pm

re: #251 CuriousLurker

Another reason I think Mona Eltahawy is an asshole:

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Mona doesn’t seem to understand imagery. You need to get the message across clearly and quickly.

If the woman in the image didn’t wear hijab, how would anyone know the point was about a Muslim woman, a woman of color/different creed.

Mona is stuck in her own head.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:28:40pm

re: #251 CuriousLurker

Another reason I think Mona Eltahawy is an asshole:

Excuse me a minute.
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Scout  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:30:44pm

Please read these two paragraphs from an essay at Politico titled “Putin’s Real Long Game.”
Then tell me how it wouldn’t be incredibly easy for Trump to do the same thing in the U.S.

Following the 1999 Moscow apartment bombings that the FSB almost certainly planned, former FSB director Vladimir Putin was installed as President. We should not ignore the significance of these events. An internal operation planned by the security services killed hundreds of Russian citizens. It was used as the pretext to re-launch a bloody, devastating internal war led by emergent strongman Putin. Tens of thousands of Chechen civilians and fighters and Russian conscripts died. The narrative was controlled to make the enemy clear and Putin victorious. This information environment forced a specific political objective: Yeltsin resigned and handed power to Putin on New Year’s Eve 1999.

From beginning to end, the operation took three months. This is how the Russian security state shook off the controls of political councils or representative democracy. This is how it thinks and how it acts — then, and now. Blood or war might be required, but controlling information and the national response to that information is what matters. Many Russians, scarred by the unrelenting economic, social, and security hardship of the 1990s, welcomed the rise of the security state, and still widely support it, even as it has hollowed out the Russian economy and civic institutions. Today, as a result, Russia is little more than a ghastly hybrid of an overblown police state and a criminal network with an economy the size of Italy — and the world’s largest nuclear arsenal.

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:32:50pm

re: #264 Scout

It could happen here, except that Trump is a moron. Trump’s people, on the other hand, who knows?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:33:43pm

re: #265 Skip Intro

It could happen her, except that Trump is a moron. Trump’s people, on the other hand, who knows?

“Who’s more the fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?”

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:35:49pm

Letters from the alternate right wing fantasy at Dreher’s place:

kgasmart says:
January 16, 2017 at 4:21 pm

For both sides, the violence, when it comes - and I agree it is coming - will be cathartic.

This Friday will be instructive. If the leftist protesters get out of hand, it will be very interesting to see the reaction of Bikers for Trump.

I have to admit that watching a biker pull an Altamont on some blue-haired social justice warrior would, at some level, be deeply satisfying.*

This past summer, when the left was disrupting the Trump rallies, beating people outside, etc., I seethed. The* people who did that need to be dealt with, for they cannot be reasoned with. We are entering an era of pure power politics; persuasion has already gone out the window as most are sealed in their airtight political bubbles, taught and believing that the others in their bubble epitomize pure evil. All that matters, in this environment, is who wins.

It’s the left’s move, and everything will depend on what they do.

Another one…the name gives it all away:

Mr “Hate Crime” says:
January 16, 2017 at 5:29 pm

This is why I like Trump more and more nowadays, even though I didn’t vote for him.

Republicans have needed to push back for years against the John Lewises of the world, but they’ve either been too scared to do it because of an adverse media reaction, or they genuinely believe that John Lewis should be immune from all criticism because of something that happened 50 years ago.*

Either way, John Lewis has had it coming for a long time and I respect Trump for not being afraid to slaughter some sacred cows.

*emphasis added

So there you go.

It’s going to be great to see bikers beat those fucking little college kids!! Precious little Oberlin snowflakes need a goddamned lesson right now, yessir! And that fucking Lewis better shut up if he knows what’s good for him! About time Republicans put a fist in his piehole!!!

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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:36:27pm

re: #265 Skip Intro

It could happen here, except that Trump is a moron. Trump’s people, on the other hand, who knows?

The canonical reassurance is that the US has a much longer tradition of democracy than Russia.

That’s true, but pointless, because present-day Republicans will clearly follow the path to dictatorship if the fuhrer is one of their own.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:39:08pm

re: #261 EPR-radar

Anything to distract from the inconvenient truth that Trump is closer to an anti-Christ than any other president of the US. Ever.

1) Dreher is always going to side with whoever his enemies attack or criticize, no matter the rationale.
2) Dreher and (see the above)are always victims, and we will always be aggressors who defile true American values and communitarianism.

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EPR-radar  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:39:47pm

re: #267 Scottish Dragon

These seem to be exceptionally loving people, even for self-described devout Christians.

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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:39:56pm

re: #248 Blind Frog Belly White

Now that the GOP is in charge, and they’re all cool with fascism and all, it’ll no longer be government overreach.

Still won’t happen because it doesn’t allow them to suppress minority votes. Only making State ID”s hard to get fulfills that requirement.

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Resistance Is Not Futile  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:40:15pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

The canonical reassurance is that the US has a much longer tradition of democracy than Russia.

That’s true, but pointless, because present-day Republicans will clearly follow the path to dictatorship if the fuhrer is one of their own.

It also has a lot of powers vested in the states, which may help more.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:41:43pm

re: #251 CuriousLurker

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:42:15pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

Has anyone else noticed how much O’Keefe looks like Dylann Roof?

It looks like someone grabbed O’Keefe’s nose and gave it a serious counter-clockwise twist and his entire face stayed stuck that way.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:42:22pm

re: #271 William Lewis

Still won’t happen because it doesn’t allow them to suppress minority votes. Only making State ID”s hard to get fulfills that requirement.

It’s easy enough to accomplish the disenfranchisement. State after state has pointed the way - just require people to take time and effort and pay their own money to get the required ID.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:43:20pm

re: #270 EPR-radar

These seem to be exceptionally loving people, even for self-described devout Christians.

The comments are from another one of Dreher’s 5000 word screeds (mostly copy pasted from elsewhere)…this one today on how the Left is getting ready to go full metal jacket WEATHERMAN TERRORISM (cue music DUH DUH DUUUUUHHHHHH) because the AMERICAN LEFT HAS A SPECIAL PLACE TO SUPPORT VIOLENT POLITICAL ACTION.

No, I am not making this shit up.

Nobody over there seems to have ever heard of the militia movement.

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:44:08pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

Shutting down targeted polling places where the wrong people tend to vote works wonders, too.

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bratwurst  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:44:46pm

Poor baby…poor wife beating baby…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:45:03pm

re: #277 Skip Intro

Shutting down targeted polling places where the wrong people tend to vote works wonders, too.

Putting smaller numbers of the oldest, shittiest voting machines in those precincts works, too.

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:47:21pm

re: #278 bratwurst

Poor baby…poor wife beating baby…

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I’d hate to be an employee at that shithole fast food joint he runs. Even worse, I’d hate to have to eat there.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:47:46pm

re: #279 Blind Frog Belly White

Do you need some very old voting machines? I think Philly has some very old Shoups and Johnstowns available. The Shoups are from the 1950’s and earlier and the Johnstowns are from the 1960’s.

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:48:18pm

re: #278 bratwurst

Poor baby…poor wife beating baby…

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So if he drops out, who’s the next worst person Trump could choose for the job? A Walton family member, perhaps?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:49:05pm

re: #282 Skip Intro

So if he drops out, who’s the next worst person Trump could choose for the job?

Simon LeGree is fictional, right?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:50:12pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh….

She cannot be that dense.

PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:51:05pm

re: #282 Skip Intro

So if he drops out, who’s the next worst person Trump could choose for the job? A Walton family member, perhaps?

What’s Art Vandelay up to these days?

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:51:19pm

re: #284 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Just so long as she leaves her “but” monkey at home.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:51:56pm

re: #282 Skip Intro

So if he drops out, who’s the next worst person Trump could choose for the job?

Maybe that Ayn Rand asshole Eddie Lambert…the CEO who killed off Sears and Kmart!
salon.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:52:44pm

re: #285 Myron Falwell (no relation)

What’s Art Vandelay up to these days?

The architect? Or the Marine Biologist?

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:53:00pm

re: #285 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I’m thinking of real people. How about that guy who has run Sears and K-Mart into the ground? He’d fit.

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Dizzy  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:53:19pm

This may be old, and apologies if this has already been posted but…..
I did not think I could dislike Kellyanne Conway any more. Talk about lack of integrity:

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:53:32pm

re: #287 Scottish Dragon

Dammit! 60 seconds!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:54:10pm

re: #286 PhillyPretzel

Just so long as she leaves her “but” monkey at home.

They’ll use a silhouette of her Nazi salute at the RNC convention as her campaign logo.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:54:44pm

re: #291 Skip Intro

Dammit! 60 seconds!

Heh!

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:55:06pm

re: #290 Dizzy

She is the perfect political whore.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:55:12pm

re: #289 Skip Intro

I’m thinking of real people. How about that guy who has run Sears and K-Mart into the ground? He’d fit.

Are none of the Waltons available? How about Papa John, the guy who vehemently opposed the ACA because he’d have to add $0.11 to each pizza?

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CuriousLurker  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:56:11pm

re: #262 ObserverArt

Mona doesn’t seem to understand imagery. You need to get the message across clearly and quickly.

If the woman in the image didn’t wear hijab, how would anyone know the point was about a Muslim woman, a woman of color/different creed.

Mona is stuck in her own head.

Exactly, it’s all about her. For whatever reason she felt she had to wear hijab in Egypt or Saudi Arabia1 and she resented that. So now she’s in America and free to do as she pleases, but doesn’t support an image of an American woman who is wearing hijab of her own free will and faces discrimination because of it because… why??

That’s just fucking stupid & selfish. America isn’t the Middle East. It reminds me of the assholes who want to ban hijab, burkinis, etc. because “Oppression!”

Riiight, it’s ever so much LESS oppressive if a Western government dictates how a Muslim woman can/cannot dress than it is if a Middle Eastern one does. WTFF?

1. Or wherever—Egypt has no hijab laws that I’m aware of, though there very well may be social/cultural pressure to wear it. In any event she only lived in Egypt until she was seven, after which her family moved to the UK and then to Saudi Arabia (when she was 15). Whatever her gripe, the US isn’t Egypt or Saudi so I wish she’d just get over herself. (Source: en.wikipedia.org).
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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:56:14pm

re: #289 Skip Intro

I’m thinking of real people. How about that guy who has run Sears and K-Mart into the ground? He’d fit.

Lew and John Dickey (who inexplicably ran Cumulus Radio into the ground) and Bob Pittman (who is trying to weasel iHeartMedia out of a $20B debt load) would be great contenders.

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:56:44pm

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

OK, Papa John goes on the list. Damn, there are so many to choose from.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:59:00pm

re: #298 Skip Intro

OK, Papa John goes on the list. Damn, there are so many to choose from.

Binders full of assholes.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 16, 2017 • 3:59:05pm

re: #273 Unshaken Defiance

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Thanks, but I won’t see it if she responds. I blocked her a long time ago and only happened to see that tweet because in was in someone else’s mentions.

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lockjawcanbefun  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:00:42pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:02:16pm

re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s a long shot: Carly Fiorina. Nobody can drive a company into the ground and fire employees faster than her (except Trump, of course).

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:02:56pm

re: #301 lockjawcanbefun

Isn’t that Trump’s press guy?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:05:09pm

re: #267 Scottish Dragon

Letters from the alternate right wing fantasy at Dreher’s place:

Another one…the name gives it all away:

*emphasis added

So there you go.

It’s going to be great to see bikers beat those fucking little college kids blue haired old ladies!!

Because THAT’s who got specifically mentioned:

I have to admit that watching a biker pull an Altamont on some blue-haired social justice warrior would, at some level, be deeply satisfying.*

yeah, bikers beating up grandmas…that’s GREAT optics.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:05:20pm

re: #296 CuriousLurker

Exactly, it’s all about her. For whatever reason she felt she had to wear hijab in Egypt or Saudi Arabia1 and she resented that. So now she’s in America and free to do as she pleases, but doesn’t support an image of an American woman who is wearing hijab of her own free will and faces discrimination because of it because… why?

Mona doesn’t live in the USA anymore, she moved back to Cairo.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:08:17pm

re: #262 ObserverArt

Mona doesn’t seem to understand imagery. You need to get the message across clearly and quickly.

If the woman in the image didn’t wear hijab, how would anyone know the point was about a Muslim woman, a woman of color/different creed.

Mona is stuck in her own head.

Graphic design tends to be reductive by necessity.

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:08:27pm

re: #292 Myron Falwell (no relation)

They’ll use a silhouette of her Nazi salute at the RNC convention as her campaign logo.

Probably going to need this.

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:10:24pm

re: #267 Scottish Dragon

The bikers at Altamont killed a guy.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:13:40pm

Lizards calling it day. See you in the morning.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:16:50pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:17:19pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah, bikers beating up grandmas…that’s GREAT optics.

I’m on a crusade to have phrases with the word ‘optics’ (unless actually associated with, ya know, actual optical science) banned from the English language. So far, my crusade continues to fail at work and pretty much everywhere else. But, I soldier on in the face of adversity.

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CuriousLurker  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:20:56pm

re: #305 goddamnedfrank

Mona doesn’t live in the USA anymore, she moved back to Cairo.

I wasn’t aware of that, but it doesn’t change my opinion. I’ve never criticized or expressed lack of support for her to choose not to wear hijab, therefore I resent her not supporting American Muslim women’s right to choose to wear it, if they so please. That, along with some other things she’s said & written in the past, makes her an asshole in my book.

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:21:12pm

re: #311 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Would you mind adding “The Donald” to your work?

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nines09  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:22:06pm

They call themselves “Bikers For Trump” because…

“Douchebags On Scooters Backing Putin’s’ Bitch Donald Trump” was too much to put on the back of the jacket. Except for Fat Joe and Haystack.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:22:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:24:36pm
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CuriousLurker  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:24:44pm

re: #315 De Kolta Chair

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Heh, that gonna totally enrage certain people,

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:25:44pm

re: #302 Skip Intro

Here’s a long shot: Carly Fiorina. Nobody can drive a company into the ground and fire employees faster than her (except Trump, of course).

Her Mitt Romney-level humiliation by Trump is nigh. Might as well get it over with, Carly…

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William Lewis  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:26:32pm

re: #311 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I’m on a crusade to have phrases with the word ‘optics’ (unless actually associated with, ya know, actual optical science) banned from the English language. So far, my crusade continues to fail at work and pretty much everywhere else. But, I soldier on in the face of adversity.

Well at least that metaphor has great optics … < whistles innocently >

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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:26:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:29:16pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:29:24pm

re: #290 Dizzy

This may be old, and apologies if this has already been posted but…..
I did not think I could dislike Kellyanne Conway any more. Talk about lack of integrity:

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:29:48pm

re: #317 CuriousLurker

Heh, that gonna totally enrage certain people,

It needs to be plastered everywhere and anywhere.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:34:24pm

re: #315 De Kolta Chair

The artists name is Watson Mere.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:36:32pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:36:57pm

Damn, they can’t keep their used-car salesman lies straight.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:38:00pm

re: #324 Myron Falwell (no relation)

The artists name is Watson Mere.

Thanks!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:39:06pm

jeebus, her hairstyle is all (gray) Spaceballs…

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Skip Intro  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:39:24pm

re: #326 Myron Falwell (no relation)

I thought Trump said the only thing to believe is what he says. Why do dumpsites like MSNBC keep having this lying hack on? You can’t convince me it’s because people tune in to watch her.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:40:12pm
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allegro  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:41:37pm

re: #329 Skip Intro

I thought Trump said the only thing to believe is what he says. Why do dumpsites like MSNBC keep having this lying hack on? You can’t convince me it’s because people tune in to watch her.

I can’t change the channel fast enough when I see her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:42:08pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:43:21pm

re: #331 allegro

I can’t change the channel fast enough when I see her.

I turned on MSNBC a few minutes ago, she was on, I immediately switched to another channel before I could hear a word of what she said.

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Kragar  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:44:03pm
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:45:30pm
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allegro  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:46:02pm

re: #333 Ace Rothstein

I turned on MSNBC a few minutes ago, she was on, I immediately switched to another channel before I could hear a word of what she said.

… knowing you missed absolutely nothing of merit.

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gocart mozart  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:46:49pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:47:34pm

re: #333 Ace Rothstein

I turned on MSNBC a few minutes ago, she was on, I immediately switched to another channel before I could hear a word of what she said.

For some reason, Mrs. FBW wanted me to watch some interview with her. My computer is at the window end of the dining room table, and she sat down in the chair next to me, effectively trapping me, and started this video playing on her iPhone. No warm up, no explanation. Just sat down and started it playing. I managed to make it through 30 seconds of Conway’s usual lying and twisting and pivoting before I said, “Why are you playing this for me?”

I mean, if it were a cute cat video or something, that would be different. But That Woman? Eeeeeg. She makes my skin crawl.

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jaunte  Jan 16, 2017 • 4:50:17pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 16, 2017 • 6:04:32pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Yup - I have loathed him since mid- to late Eighties.


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