FBI Head James Comey Asks Justice Dept. to Publicly Announce That Trump Lied About Obama “Wiretapping” Him

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While Donald Trump plays golf at Mar-a-Lago, his tweets accusing President Obama of “wiretapping” him during the campaign are making some big waves in Washington DC.

According to the New York Times, FBI director James Comey has now asked the Justice Department to publicly reject Trump’s claim.

WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump’s assertion that President Barack Obama ordered the tapping of Mr. Trump’s phones, senior American officials said on Sunday. Mr. Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected, they said, but the department has not released any such statement.

Mr. Comey, who made the request on Saturday after Mr. Trump leveled his allegation on Twitter, has been working to get the Justice Department to knock down the claim because it falsely insinuates that the F.B.I. broke the law, the officials said.

A spokesman for the F.B.I. declined to comment. Sarah Isgur Flores, the spokeswoman for the Justice Department, also declined to comment.

So far, the DOJ has not issued any such statement, but this is a real jaw-dropper, folks; the head of the FBI asking the DOJ to announce that the president of the United States lied to the public.

The US is headed for a showdown. How long can this reckless, irresponsible madman keep going like this?

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455 comments

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:29:07pm

What a fucking mess.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:30:16pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:30:17pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

What a fucking mess.

Done in one, folks.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:31:07pm

re: #3 thedopefishlives

Done in one, folks.

Season or year?

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while(1) worries++;  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:31:27pm

I can almost hear the snickers from the rest of the intelligence community.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:31:33pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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This guy puts Nixon to shame in his pathetic insecurity.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:32:03pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I think, when we talk about the things that Drumpf says or does, let’s keep in mind that his ego literally is everything to him. He made a statement, in his version of his reality it was correct, and now he’s getting mad because people aren’t agreeing with his reality.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:32:35pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Season or year?

Well, if we get the promised nuclear winter, the answer is, “Yes.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:34:21pm

I mean Trump’s ideology if you can call it that is bad enough but he simply is not cut out to be President in terms of temperament. He’s a fucking child who needs to be told he’s great or else he lashes out. Way to go Trump voters but hey lecture my generation more about how we’re nothing but complainers when you elected this guy.

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:34:21pm

I can’t believe that the White House won’t respond to this, so the question is whether or not they’re going to be stupid enough to attack Comey himself.

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CongoJack  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:34:24pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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Now to encourage the rest of the news media to continue and turn Trump even more paranoid/pissed and get the straitjacket ready….more popcorn I say!

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austin_blue  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:35:11pm

With skin that thin, it’s remarkable that his internal organs stay that way.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:35:15pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

I can’t believe that the White House won’t respond to this, so the question is whether or not they’re going to be stupid enough to attack Comey himself.

They will. Trump will insist on it.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:35:25pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

My favorite was the president’s spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanderes saying she couldn’t speak for the president. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:35:44pm

Welcome to the Era of Rising Democratic Fascism Part I: Defining Democracy, Fascism, and Democratic Fascism Usefully, and Spin vs. Lies

Welcome to the Era of Rising Democratic Fascism Part II: Trump, the Global Movement, Putin’s War on the West, and a Choice for Liberals

The Danger of American Fascism - Henry A. Wallace

The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power.

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American fascism will not be really dangerous until there is a purposeful coalition among the cartelists, the deliberate poisoners of public information, and those who stand for the K.K.K. type of demagoguery.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:35:52pm

re: #14 De Kolta Chair

My favorite was the president’s spokesperson (Huckabee?) saying she couldn’t speak for the president. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You have one job.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:36:25pm

re: #14 De Kolta Chair

My favorite was the president’s spokesperson (Huckabee?) saying she couldn’t speak for the president. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Seems like the definition of a spokesperson to me, but I suppose, if I were her, I wouldn’t want to speak for him, either. It’s a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” kind of job.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:37:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:37:08pm

re: #17 thedopefishlives

Seems like the definition of a spokesperson to me, but I suppose, if I were her, I wouldn’t want to speak for him, either. It’s a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” kind of job.

She really should have known what she was getting herself into when she signed up for him. No sympathy at all for her.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:38:09pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

She really should have known what she was getting herself into when she signed up for him. No sympathy at all for her.

Anyone who willingly joined Drumpf’s administration gets no sympathy from me. All y’all knew exactly what hell you were getting into; you boarded that bus of your own free will, I am going to laugh when you get thrown under it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:39:31pm

re: #20 thedopefishlives

Anyone who willingly joined Drumpf’s administration gets no sympathy from me. All y’all knew exactly what hell you were getting into; you boarded that bus of your own free will, I am going to laugh when you get thrown under it.

Plus if she’s anything like her Dad, I bet she’s no prize either in terms of her views.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:40:03pm

re: #18 Kragar

Kragar @Kragar_LGF

Please do not call @realDonaldTrump crazy.

The proper terminology is “Batshit Fucking Insane”.]

My mother (a clinical psychologist) says that “crazy is a technical term that should only be used by professionals.”

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:40:10pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

They will. Trump will insist on it.

On my first job for a small daily newspaper in the midwest, I had to come in on the weekends and open the mail from the readers. I always knew I was in for it, when the envelope was fat and bulging, and smelled faintly sour.

Insider, there were always pages and pages of single-spaced outrage and conspiracy theories. As the writer descended further into paranoia, he took to writing around the margins in spirals.

Spinning, spinning, angrier and angrier at the ZOG (Zionist Occupying Government) and the Trilateral Commission and the IRS and christ only knows who else. Eventually, he was committed to a mental institution, and the letters blessedly stopped coming.

Never thought we’d have a batshit crazy loon like that in the White House.

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:40:37pm
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CongoJack  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:41:06pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

She really should have known what she was getting herself into when she signed up for him. No sympathy at all for her.

In that vein of thought…who would want to fill a cabinet seat now? All those appointed vacancies are not going to fill easily (either by design or not wanting to work for a psychopath).

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Skandal  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:41:29pm

re: #18 Kragar

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:42:28pm

re: #25 CongoJack

In that vein of thought…who would want to fill a cabinet seat now? All those appointed vacancies are not going to fill easily (either by design or not wanting to work for a psychopath).

Seriously. I wouldn’t want to have a boss like that.

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retired cynic  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:42:51pm

I’m not a psychologist, but I knew he was nucking futz the minute I saw his hair.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:45:11pm
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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:46:35pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:48:13pm

Sunday Beauty shot?
Samsung Edge 7, nice after a rain passed through and we got some sun.

Flickr

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:49:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:50:45pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:50:48pm

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:51:36pm

re: #34 FormerDirtDart

I can no longer take that man seriously after watching last night’s SNL.

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Skandal  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:52:08pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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CongoJack  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:53:21pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just the same cycle as it was with Dowd and Chenny during the push for the Iraq invasion, just with a twist of lime (and a nihilist alcoholic Bannon).

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Moebym  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:53:21pm

re: #31 Unshaken Defiance

Sunday Beauty shot?
Samsung Edge 7, nice after a rain passed through and we got some sun.

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Beautiful shot. I’m in need of a new phone, and the S7 Edge is among the ones I’m considering. Would you recommend it to someone who uses resource-intensive apps and prioritizes image quality?

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EPR-radar  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:53:53pm

re: #36 Skandal

The problem with that little joke is that Bannon probably does want a stupid use of US nukes to occur.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:54:37pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:54:49pm
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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:58:04pm

Somewhere out there is a reporter like Bob Woodward or the reporter from the Bergen NJ Record saying “there’s a Pulitzer in this for me.”

As I noted some months ago, there is just as much money for a journalism outlet to tear apart a conspiracy as there was to give all that free coverage of Trump Campaign events.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:58:25pm
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CongoJack  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:58:27pm

re: #38 Moebym

I too am looking for a new phone and wanted the s7 edge… Though I soured on it (again) after the lithium battery plant went up in flames a week or two ago (because the damn batteries keep exploding).

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:58:38pm
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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 2:59:44pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:01:07pm

re: #38 Moebym

Beautiful shot. I’m in need of a new phone, and the S7 Edge is among the ones I’m considering. Would you recommend it to someone who uses resource-intensive apps and prioritizes image quality?

Yes I would. I might keep some of the apps of a sizeable memory card, maybe let that card be your storage for images. Of and get a rugged case for the inevitable moment of a fall. It’s at least as delicate as any thin smart phone.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:01:19pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

I looked that up at the free dictionary and it gave me this:
pt.thefreedictionary.com

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:02:47pm

re: #48 PhillyPretzel

I looked that up at the free dictionary and it gave me this:
pt.thefreedictionary.com

Well, it’s Portuguese.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:03:38pm

re: #49 Anymouse

At least we know that much.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:03:40pm
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Romantic Heretic  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:05:57pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

I can’t believe that the White House won’t respond to this, so the question is whether or not they’re going to be stupid enough to attack Comey himself.

I don’t think there’s any question of that. They will. They’re that stupid and that defensive.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:05:57pm
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Ubiq  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:07:15pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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TedStriker  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:07:19pm

re: #12 austin_blue

With skin that thin, it’s remarkable that his internal organs stay that way.

They’re being held in by a lot of congealed bile and hate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:08:10pm

I woke up this morning to sunny skies after hearing lots and lots of rain last night. I thought, “Maybe THIS Sunday, I’ll get a ride in!”

While I was drinking my coffee and checking up on the latest news, the sky grew dark and threatening. Mrs. FBW asked, “Are you going for a ride?”

“Nah. Looks too risky. I think I’ll just take the doggies for a long walk.”

Then it started hailing.

And here it is, 3 PM and every time I look out, it’s doing something different. We’ve had SEVEN hail-laced squalls pass through since breakfast. I think the meteorological term for this is ‘Unsettled’, but you might also call it ‘Indecisive’.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:08:49pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

I woke up this morning to sunny skies after hearing lots and lots of rain last night. I thought, “Maybe THIS Sunday, I’ll get a ride in!”

While I was drinking my coffee and checking up on the latest news, the sky grew dark and threatening. Mrs. FBW asked, “Are you going for a ride?”

“Nah. Looks too risky. I think I’ll just take the doggies for a long walk.”

Then it started hailing.

And here it is, 3 PM and every time I look out, it’s doing something different. We’ve had SEVEN hail-lace squalls pass through since breakfast. I think the meteorological term for this is ‘Unsettled’, but you might also call it ‘Indecisive’.

Just don’t call it “global warming”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:09:22pm

Maybe if they made a video intelligence briefing with explosions and lots of maps Trump would pay attention.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:09:23pm

Well that Grab Your Wallet campaign is cranking up the pressure on Netflix over the Roger Stone documentary … awful lot of people saying they can live without Netflix and threatening to cancel their subscriptions.

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:11:02pm

re: #59 Anymouse

Doc may have been done by a liberal who got access. More info is needed.

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Ubiq  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:11:27pm

Hey, someone have the image of the Breitbart Centipede? I want it for my project.

(My project, by the way, is this nerd friendly site)

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:11:41pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

I can’t believe that the White House won’t respond to this, so the question is whether or not they’re going to be stupid enough to attack Comey himself.

Is it possible that Comey had bought into the conventional wisdom that Hillary was going to win and figured that he could protect himself with the statements he made before the election, figuring that no harm would come to this country by his violation of the Hatch Act?

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:12:04pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

I woke up this morning to sunny skies after hearing lots and lots of rain last night. I thought, “Maybe THIS Sunday, I’ll get a ride in!”

While I was drinking my coffee and checking up on the latest news, the sky grew dark and threatening. Mrs. FBW asked, “Are you going for a ride?”

“Nah. Looks too risky. I think I’ll just take the doggies for a long walk.”

Then it started hailing.

And here it is, 3 PM and every time I look out, it’s doing something different. We’ve had SEVEN hail-lace squalls pass through since breakfast. I think the meteorological term for this is ‘Unsettled’, but you might also call it ‘Indecisive’.

What? No trainer, no rollers? Weather is not an excuse.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:12:12pm

re: #59 Anymouse

Instead of giving $$ to Netflix how about giving it to your local PBS station. The programing is much better and the shows are very good. pbs.org

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:13:56pm

re: #62 Hecuba’s daughter

Is it possible that Comey had bought into the conventional wisdom that Hillary was going to win and figured that he could protect himself with the statements he made before the election, figuring that no harm would come to this country by his violation of the Hatch Act?

Nope. If he figured she would win ratfucking her would be the last thing he would do. His job was at stake.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:14:03pm

Just came home from the gym. CNN showing on the built in TV screens. Lady on the elliptical next to me says “Trump is an asshole”. My reply—“No, he is a b-hole because he does not have what it takes to be an a-hole”!

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lockjawcanbefun  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:15:40pm

You did ask.

re: #61 Ubiq


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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:15:53pm

re: #63 wrenchwench

What? No trainer, no rollers? Weather is not an excuse.

re: #66 Joe Bacon

Just came home from the gym. …

That’s what I’m talking about.

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:16:05pm

re: #65 allegro

Nope. If he figured she would win ratfucking her would be the last thing he would do. His job was at stake.

Indeed, if he was expecting her to win, then none of his behavior during the campaign makes sense. Between berating her during his July press conference, sitting on reports about an FBI investigation into Russian links to the Trump campaign, and finally the October Surprise, the idea that Comey expected her to win doesn’t wash. He took deliberate actions to torpedo her campaign and now is paying the price for his error.

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stpaulbear  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:16:06pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

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I can’t imagine that Bannon even bothers to use the word ‘Sir’ when talking to Trump.

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:16:22pm

re: #64 PhillyPretzel

Netflix gave Ava DuVernay a platform for her doc “13th”. I think more info is needed here before they are written off.

But supporting PBS is always good. We need to get used to it since we’ll be paying for 45’s vacations instead of the NEA. Sigh.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:17:55pm

re: #64 PhillyPretzel

Instead of giving $$ to Netflix how about giving it to your local PBS station. The programing is much better and the shows are very good. pbs.org

Well, I don’t have a television and we don’t have a local PBS station (the nearest is ninety miles away in Alliance).

That said, I quit Netflix a long time ago when they decided to split DVD mail service off from their new streaming service and charged more for both.

I do donate to the NPR station in Alliance (I can pick it up on my car radio, but not in my house).

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:18:15pm

re: #67 lockjawcanbefun

You did ask.

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Aaak! Hide that! /s

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:18:39pm

re: #63 wrenchwench

What? No trainer, no rollers? Weather is not an excuse.

They’re at work, where I don’t use them enough, but was able to discover that the earbuds issued with iPhones 3 years ago are not, in fact, sweatproof, when when they started making popping noises and delivering tiny shocks to my ear ‘oles.

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EPR-radar  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:19:40pm

re: #67 lockjawcanbefun

Someone who can draw (i.e., not me) should generate a mutual coprophagia version of this, since Breitbart/Gateway Pundit feeding on bullshit generated by POTUS* Trump is a very important part of the story.

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:20:17pm
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Timothy Watson  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:20:46pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

I can’t believe that the White House won’t respond to this, so the question is whether or not they’re going to be stupid enough to attack Comey himself.

What’s Comey end game? Does he really expect Sessions to come out and call Trump a liar?

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:21:39pm

re: #74 Blind Frog Belly White

They’re at work, where I don’t use them enough, but was able to discover that the earbuds issued with iPhones 3 years ago are not, in fact, sweatproof, when when they started making popping noises and delivering tiny shocks to my ear ‘oles.

Get out there and ride to work. No earbuds. Make that trainer squeak.

[As an ex-cyclist, I get my pleasure from hassling your kind.]

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:22:21pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:22:53pm

re: #22 Anymouse

My mother (a clinical psychologist) says that “crazy is a technical term that should only be used by professionals.”

So then, she’s cool with Batshit Fucking Insane?

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EPR-radar  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:23:01pm

re: #77 Timothy Watson

What’s Comey end game? Does he really expect Sessions to come out and call Trump a liar?

That’s a good question. Perhaps Comey deluded himself into thinking the Orange Menace was not a cancerous malignancy that will corrupt all that it touches.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:23:34pm

Someone might want to remind James Comey that the first person who rats out the conspiracy is usually the one who gets the best deal from prosecutors …

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:24:13pm

re: #77 Timothy Watson

What’s Comey end game? Does he really expect Sessions to come out and call Trump a liar?

My guess is he did it because he wanted to avoid what’s going to happen now: Trump going postal on him for daring to call him a liar.

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:26:19pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

My guess is he did it because he wanted to avoid what’s going to happen now: Trump going postal on him for daring to call him a liar.

So someone just did to him (by talking about his DOJ request) what he did to Hillary?

Karma.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:26:23pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

Get out there and ride to work. No earbuds. Make that trainer squeak.

[As an ex-cyclist, I get my pleasure from hassling your kind.]

Or as they say on Bikeforums, “HTFU!” (Harden The Fuck Up)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:26:31pm

FWIW, here in the Backwoods we got a total of maybe 2-3 inches of snow all winter this time. Rainfall OTOH…yowser….

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:27:53pm

re: #77 Timothy Watson

What’s Comey end game? Does he really expect Sessions to come out and call Trump a liar?

I expect Sessions will announce a criminal investigation of Hillary and Obama in the next few days. They are not going to back off of this now. They can’t. They are going double or nothing.

This is going to utterly destroy any hope for the GOP legislative agenda now as it sucks all the oxygen out of the room and enrages the GOP/Trump base for the spectacle they have been screaming for: seeing Democratic leaders accused of criminal acts by a Trump White House and forced to answer to federal agents and questions and possible indictments.

This also now provides a counter-narrative for whatever info we get next on Trump and the Russians. They can claim they have a criminal investigation of Obama for staging info etc and it is all Obama’s fault. The #Obamagate meme is already all over the place. 30 years from now, wingnuts will still hold it as utter truth…and we watched this brazen fabrication being made in public in real time.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:28:23pm

re: #76 JordanRules

Trump says that he was wire tapped.

The FBI via the DOJ is calling on a repudiation of Trump claims of wiretapping. That’s unprecedented. They’re basically stating Trump lied. A very public and bold faced lie.

Everything here is unprecedented.

But here’s the thing - there could be FISA warrants for others associated with Trump. We know that there’s multiple agencies investigating the Russia dossier and trying to figure out where all that goes. So, Trump might not personally be the focus of a wiretap (yet), but doesn’t mean others aren’t.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:28:39pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

Get out there and ride to work. No earbuds. Make that trainer squeak.

[As an ex-cyclist, I get my pleasure from hassling your kind.]

I used to cycle on a regular basis. Cycling here is not quite so easy (quagmire unpaved streets).

Since there is a large number of elderly persons in town who don’t own vehicles or get out much, I’ve played around with the idea of getting a Workman brand surrey and start a taxi service. (A taxi license in my village is twenty-five bucks.)

That, and I just like Workman surreys.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:28:46pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:28:49pm

re: #77 Timothy Watson

What’s Comey end game? Does he really expect Sessions to come out and call Trump a liar?

Comey may be fired before the next TWD episode airs tonight.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:29:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:30:27pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:30:49pm

re: #83 Targetpractice

My guess is he did it because he wanted to avoid what’s going to happen now: Trump going postal on him for daring to call him a liar.

So far Trump has had an unbroken string of successes with his lies and bullshit approach to everything.

This business with Comey and the FBI may be the first hint of real failure in that model, since Trump’s bullshit about Obama’s supposed wiretaps has implications for the FBI, and it will defend itself accordingly.

In other words, government is more complicated than Trump’s business deals, and normal Trump-level bullshit may actually end up being a problem. Time will tell, since Republicans have massive incentives to pretend that ‘this is fine’. After all, Comey’s only real issue here is that the FBI is inferentially smeared by Trump’s accusations.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:31:07pm

This is insanely dangerous and alarming. Trump is so fucking credulous & unstable that random unsourced baseless rumors on wingnut websites are demonstrably causing him to engage in abjectly insane & reckless behavior.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:31:47pm

Somehow, methinks Giuliani just might be involved.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:31:59pm

re: #46 Anymouse

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That would not be the way we would get it. The way we will end this is for everyone that actually gives a shit about the country, rather than cowering in fear of the future, staying the course, opposing Trump, going after the chicken-shit Republicans, and fighting for the future.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:32:18pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:32:33pm

re: #88 lawhawk

I completely agree. I believe others may be the primary targets.

Any warrant revealed will be seen as vindication by him and his base because they don’t do the nuance and parsing thing. Then the deep state/Obama conspiracy craziness will really kick into high gear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:33:24pm
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jaunte  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:33:42pm
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Kragar  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:34:11pm

re: #30 Anymouse

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Timothy Watson  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:36:12pm

re: #101 jaunte

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They going to do that every weekend he’s in Florida?

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:36:41pm

re: #88 lawhawk

Also, he’s very publicly and bold faced lied a bunch of times during the campaign and obviously most importantly since he’s been President. Maybe this one is different or its the timing.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:36:59pm

re: #103 Timothy Watson

Looks like they feel challenged to a crazy-off.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:37:00pm

re: #88 lawhawk

Trump says that he was wire tapped.

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The FBI via the DOJ is calling on a repudiation of Trump claims of wiretapping. That’s unprecedented. They’re basically stating Trump lied. A very public and bold faced lie.

Everything here is unprecedented.

But here’s the thing - there could be FISA warrants for others associated with Trump. We know that there’s multiple agencies investigating the Russia dossier and trying to figure out where all that goes. So, Trump might not personally be the focus of a wiretap (yet), but doesn’t mean others aren’t.

And there might not be FISA warrants: Spying on people like Russia’s envoy is something that doesn’t require a FISA warrant. All nations spy on the envoys of other nations. FISA warrants only cover Americans.

If anyone in Trump’s campaign staff was conversing with the Russian envoy, it would be picked up in the normal routine of intelligence-gathering.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:37:38pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He still only has himself to blame. Nothing the NY FBI office or a GOP congressman could’ve possible done would have caused a reasonable FBI Director to abandon their agency’s professional ethical standards the way Comey did.

I mean, if he takes it as a learning opportunity and realizes now how badly he was used to fuck over the country I guess that’s some brand of a silver lining, but I still think he deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison thinking about it. The fact that he can’t resign now because Trump would get to name his replacement leaves me incredibly bitter, because it’s like his treason against the electoral process paid off in job security.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:38:06pm

Our midtown shuttle driver took us through Trump Tower security slalom yesterday:

Wife: “We’ve come to see our money.”

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EPR-radar  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:38:07pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

This is insanely dangerous and alarming. Trump is so fucking credulous & unstable that random unsourced baseless rumors on wingnut websites are demonstrably causing him to engage in abjectly insane & reckless behavior.

Trump’s supporters see this insane and reckless behavior as the epitome of good leadership, so the rest of the Republican Party will get more and more Trump-like over time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:38:13pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:38:14pm

re: #105 jaunte

Looks like they feel challenged to a crazy-off.

Oh great. That’s just what we need. TWO world leaders with access to nuclear weapons and severely fragile egos.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:39:12pm

re: #109 EPR-radar

Trump’s supporters see this insane and reckless behavior as the epitome of good leadership, so the rest of the Republican Party will get more and more Trump-like over time.

If you think the conspiracy theories are correct, the ultimate coup would be to have the president repeating them.

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:39:17pm

re: #89 Anymouse

I used to cycle on a regular basis. Cycling here is not quite so easy (quagmire unpaved streets).

Since there is a large number of elderly persons in town who don’t own vehicles or get out much, I’ve played around with the idea of getting a Workman brand surrey and start a taxi service. (A taxi license in my village is twenty-five bucks.)

That, and I just like Workman surreys.

I would rather do that than open a coffee shop in your town. I LOVE Worksman bikes and trikes. I used to fix them at the Boeing plant in Everett, WA. I could flip a 45 or 50 lb. Worksman onto its seat and handlebars like it was one of Blind Frog Belly White’s bikes.

No personal experience with their surreys, but one summer, dad took us to Morro Bay State Park (in CA) and renting the surreys was the best thing we did.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:39:20pm

re: #111 thedopefishlives

Oh great. That’s just what we need. TWO world leaders with access to nuclear weapons and severely fragile egos.

Preppers are laughing at us idiots who said it could not happen.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:40:21pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:41:07pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

He still only has himself to blame. Nothing the NY FBI office or a GOP congressman could’ve possible done would have caused a reasonable professional to abandon their professional ethics the way Comey did.

I mean, if he takes it as a learning opportunity and realizes now how badly he was used to fuck over the country I guess that’s some brand of a silver lining, but I still think he deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison thinking about it. The fact that he can’t resign now because Trump would get to name his replacement leaves me incredibly bitter, because it’s like his treason against the electoral process paid off in job security.

I’m reasonably sure that Comey didn’t pay any attention to Trump at all in the 2016 campaign. That would have been irrelevant for Comey’s self-appointed task of maximally ratfucking the election against Clinton.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:41:32pm

re: #115 Dave In Austin

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Are they seriously?

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:41:32pm

re: #97 Belafon

That would not be the way we would get it. The way we will end this is for everyone that actually gives a shit about the country, rather than cowering in fear of the future, staying the course, opposing Trump, going after the chicken-shit Republicans, and fighting for the future.

Oh I agree. I’m guessing that Mr. Wright’s comment refers to the fact there seem to be almost no Republicans with the idea their country comes before their party.

If this craptastic explosion around the President does occur, it’s going to be the few people like my own senator Ben Sasse that are going to come out looking like they have principles of country first.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:42:36pm

I’ve read that one reason Trump hasn’t nominated anyone for 515 out of the 549 positions which need Senate confirmation is that he thinks they don’t need so many people. Back during the campaign, he resisted hiring the usual large staff, and got away with it largely due to getting $1 Billion in free airtime, as well as a disturbingly large number of Americans being really stupid and gullible.

I suspect his thinking on staffing the Executive Branch is similar - they don’t really need that many people, and after all, he turned out to be right about the campaign staff thing, right? But I’m pretty sure that the Government functions can’t be covered by free airtime and stupid, gullible Americans.

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Ubiq  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:42:40pm

re: #67 lockjawcanbefun

Exactly what I was looking for, thanks!

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:42:43pm

re: #114 Unshaken Defiance

Preppers are laughing at us idiots who said it could not happen.

Mrs. Fish asked me earlier, “Has there ever been a sane country that has legitimately elected someone this nuts?”

I had to tell her no, I don’t think so. Can anyone validate that assertion?

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:43:01pm

re: #117 thedopefishlives

Are they seriously?

You can find bookmakers in Vegas that will take bets on anything.

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:44:13pm

re: #87 Scottish Dragon

I expect Sessions will announce a criminal investigation of Hillary and Obama in the next few days. They are not going to back off of this now. They can’t. They are going double or nothing.

This is going to utterly destroy any hope for the GOP legislative agenda now as it sucks all the oxygen out of the room and enrages the GOP/Trump base for the spectacle they have been screaming for: seeing Democratic leaders accused of criminal acts by a Trump White House and forced to answer to federal agents and questions and possible indictments.

This also now provides a counter-narrative for whatever info we get next on Trump and the Russians. They can claim they have a criminal investigation of Obama for staging info etc and it is all Obama’s fault. The #Obamagate meme is already all over the place. 30 years from now, wingnuts will still hold it as utter truth…and we watched this brazen fabrication being made in public in real time.

Yeah, if Sessions comes out tomorrow or any time in the next couple days and announces a criminal investigation into the actions of Obama and/or Hillary, there may be open rebellion in the ranks. It would have been like Nixon ordering his AG to announce criminal investigations into the congressmen involved in the Watergate investigation. Accusations of criminal activities tend to garner very strong responses and that’s what Sessions would be doing: Accusing one or more intelligence agencies of having willfully violated domestic spying laws to conduct an illegal wiretap of an American citizen. There’s no way at that point that Comey or anyone else could stay silent, they’d stand accused of having carried out unlawful orders.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:44:21pm

re: #118 Anymouse

Oh I agree. I’m guessing that Mr. Wright’s comment refers to the fact there seem to be almost no Republicans with the idea their country comes before their party.

If this craptastic explosion around the President does occur, it’s going to be the few people like my own senator Ben Sasse that are going to come out looking like they have principles of country first.

Yep. And I hate playing defense when we really need some offense - coming up with a new economic plan to handle how automation is going to take more and more jobs for instance - but one of the things we have to do is hold things together until a fissure between “sane” Republicans and the batshit crazy ones breaks the party.

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Ubiq  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:44:29pm

re: #119 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve read that one reason Trump hasn’t nominated anyone for 515 out of the 549 positions which need Senate confirmation is that he thinks they don’t need so many people. Back during the campaign, he resisted hiring the usual large staff, and got away with it largely due to getting $1 Billion in free airtime, as well as a disturbingly large number of Americans being really stupid and gullible.

I suspect his thinking on staffing the Executive Branch is similar - they don’t really need that many people, and after all, he turned out to be right about the campaign staff thing, right? But I’m pretty sure that the Government functions can’t be covered by free airtime and stupid, gullible Americans.

That’s my read on it as well. The result of it is a staff that is stretched way too thin, which results in them making lots of stupid mistakes. The epitome of this is Sean Spicer, who is doing what normally a full staff of people do.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:44:39pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

Mrs. Fish asked me earlier, “Has there ever been a sane country that has legitimately elected someone this nuts?”

I had to tell her no, I don’t think so. Can anyone validate that assertion?

COUNTRY? No. City? Yeah.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:45:03pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

COUNTRY? No. City? Yeah.

Rob Ford?

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:45:14pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

I would rather do that than open a coffee shop in your town. I LOVE Worksman bikes and trikes. I used to fix them at the Boeing plant in Everett, WA. I could flip a 45 or 50 lb. Worksman onto its seat and handlebars like it was one of Blind Frog Belly White’s bikes.

No personal experience with their surreys, but one summer, dad took us to Morro Bay State Park (in CA) and renting the surreys was the best thing we did.

Morro Bay is so cool. We spent the night at an RV park right on the beach. As I was standing on the sand I felt a slight movement under my foot. Thought maybe I was standing on a little crab under there. Scooped away a bit of sand and found a living sand dollar. Never saw one of those before.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:45:17pm

re: #114 Unshaken Defiance

Preppers are laughing at us idiots who said it could not happen.

I suspect preppers are the same people who traffic in the self-same CT’s propagated by Breitbart et al.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:45:30pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

I would rather do that than open a coffee shop in your town. I LOVE Worksman bikes and trikes. I used to fix them at the Boeing plant in Everett, WA. I could flip a 45 or 50 lb. Worksman onto its seat and handlebars like it was one of Blind Frog Belly White’s bikes.

No personal experience with their surreys, but one summer, dad took us to Morro Bay State Park (in CA) and renting the surreys was the best thing we did.

The only problem with their surreys is they are expensive as all get out.

However, they last pretty much forever. I’m sure one would outlive me.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:46:57pm
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Sherlock Hound  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:48:06pm

re: #130 Anymouse

Would you get yours with a fringe on top?
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:48:32pm

re: #117 thedopefishlives

Are they seriously?

Currently at Bovada:

Will Donald Trump complete a full term as POTUS?

Yes-115
No-115

50/50 proposition, though you have to risk 15% vig.

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BigPapa  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:48:33pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

That’s big. He screwed up.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:48:37pm

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:48:40pm

Old Georgia Archives building, once touted as most modern archival facility in the US, imploded in downtown Atlanta.

Nice little fireball at the end, probably an old forgotten gas or fuel oil line.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:49:09pm

From previous thread, and replying to Targetpractice

But you just identified why these people will never listen: They’re living in their own little cocoons and don’t want to leave. The Democrats made appeals all last year to these people, but the appeals weren’t what they wanted to hear. They didn’t want to hear that the jobs were gone, they’re not coming back, and it’s time to start working on a new future. They want to hear that the local factory’s gonna come back to life, all those jobs that were lost are gonna be back one day, and life will return to what it once was. They don’t want retraining programs, they don’t want investment in new technologies, and they sure as hell don’t want that factory torn down to make way for one that builds something like solar panels or electric cars. They’re clinging desperately to all those empty promises of the past and you’re not doing them any favors by saying they have a good reason for doing so.

Direct hit on head of nail. My aunt works at a job-retraining agency, trying to help laid-off papermill workers get the abundant (yes, there really are) new jobs.

Their reactions? F-this, F-that, F-you. I don’t want any new job. I want my old job back, goddammit!

I used to kinda sympathize with them. But my heart has hardened in recent months. They are frightened, angry, and lashing out at the world blindly. And they are taking everyone else down with them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:49:12pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

and then he deleted almost all of them…

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:49:58pm

re: #130 Anymouse

The only problem with their surreys is they are expensive as all get out.

However, they last pretty much forever. I’m sure one would outlive me.

Price per pound is probably reasonable. Shipping will kill. Ride it home from the factory.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:50:03pm

re: #132 Sherlock Hound

I can get that any time I want. amazon.com

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:50:19pm
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:50:36pm

Moron.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:50:56pm

re: #132 Sherlock Hound

Would you get yours with a fringe on top?
///

Oh heck, yes. Gotta keep the sun off.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:51:01pm

re: #142 Ace Rothstein

Dim Jim Hoft sockpuppet?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:51:19pm

re: #144 thedopefishlives

Dim Jim Hoft sockpuppet?

Typical Trump voter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:51:43pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

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his “back channel” was a “mutual friend”, so all you losers should just STFU:

O_o

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:52:06pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Those Stone tweets, and the deletions, are further evidence that Trump had direct access to Wikileaks via backchannels and are trying to cover up those connections.

IMO Stone just put himself in legal jeopardy with those statements.

Don’t know what the hell he was thinking in boasting about the wikileaks connections, but he later realized that was a bad thing to publicly state (along with his misogynistic outburst).

Par for the course.

Consider this entire weekend as the admin in a nutshell. Trump leaves DC in a huff leaving behind Bannon and Priebus. Trump then makes his tweets about Obama wiretapping him personally. Trump goes to play golf. Again.

Everyone else scrambles to figure out what the hell Trump said, where he got that info, all of it - especially the people working for him.

Spicer then comes out with his own nonsensical statements that there’d be no further statements until an investigation is complete - only to add additional statements minutes later.

Par for the course.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:52:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:52:52pm

re: #135 Decatur Deb

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:53:38pm

re: #147 lawhawk

He’s an egomaniac. He thinks he’s untouchable and he wants the world to know how big and bad he is. Only problem is, he didn’t realize how stupid he was until after he pushed the Go button… but as ever, the Dopefish’s First Law of the Internet came back to bite him in the ass: The Internet is forever.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:54:08pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

Price per pound is probably reasonable. Shipping will kill. Ride it home from the factory.

That would be a bit of a ride I think. Their factory is an awful long way from here.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:54:19pm

North Korea just launched a missile. Bet Trump won’t say a thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:55:48pm
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b.d.  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:57:08pm

re: #152 GlutenFreeJesus

North Korea just launched a missile. Bet Trump won’t say a thing.

He’ll ask them to aim at Comey…

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:57:09pm

re: #150 thedopefishlives

He’s an egomaniac. He thinks he’s untouchable and he wants the world to know how big and bad he is. Only problem is, he didn’t realize how stupid he was until after he pushed the Go button… but as ever, the Dopefish’s First Law of the Internet came back to bite him in the ass: The Internet is forever.

The pending release of the transcripts of Russian officials gloating about how Trump’s people are total stooges and working with them to fuck over Hilary are going to be a real ugly moment for the Trumpistas. Picture the NBC/CBS/CNN/ABC segments: dark video of tape spools spinning, Russian voices in the background, the transcript appearing in white over the vid …

That’s the kind of thing that hits even the fucktarded Trump voters between the eyes. THAT they can understand. This is the visual shorthand for “You got caught doing dirt and here’s the tape to prove it.”

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:57:29pm

re: #152 GlutenFreeJesus

North Korea just launched a missile. Bet Trump won’t say a thing.

That depends on if he has a foreign leader at Mar-a-Lago or not (re: the Japanese Prime Minister).

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:58:17pm

re: #151 Anymouse

That would be a bit of a ride I think. Their factory is an awful long way from here.

Anywhere is biking distance if you have the time. :)

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:58:27pm

re: #155 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

Two words: Watergate Hotel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:58:31pm

(for those who are not familiar, Larry is the cat at No 10 Downing)

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Teukka  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:58:38pm

re: #155 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

The pending release of the transcripts of Russian officials gloating about how Trump’s people are total stooges and working with them to fuck over Hilary are going to be a real ugly moment for the Trumpistas. Picture the NBC/CBS/CNN/ABC segments: dark video of tape spools spinning, Russian voices in the background, the transcript appearing in white over the vid …

That’s the kind of thing that hits even the fucktarded Trump voters between the eyes. THAT they can understand. This is the visual shorthand for “You got caught doing dirt and here’s the tape to prove it.”

$.02 on not even the most cynical lib being really prepared for the shit on said transcripts… semi-///

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:59:24pm

re: #157 allegro

Anywhere is biking distance if you have the time. :)

Hawaii?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 3:59:54pm

Flynn has been in Trump Tower.

You just know there are Russian bugs everywhere there.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:00:12pm

So yeah. When the transcripts come out and then those are connected to Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Kelly, et al., then there is a causal link between the hostile actions of Russia, and people in Trump’s campaign.

That is when it is going to be real cockroaches-scurrying-out-of-the-light time. I would look for Stone to break down mentally, start sobbing, drive his car into a tree and then try to flip state’s evidence on Trump and the Russians.

If Bannon doesn’t have him killed first.

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:00:13pm

re: #151 Anymouse

That would be a bit of a ride I think. Their factory is an awful long way from here.

Only two-thirds of a continent. Distance is a function of elapsed time if you keep pedaling.

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:01:08pm

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

Hawaii?

The time and the boat.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:01:24pm

I’d want this Workman surrey - it cost more than our trip to Churchill, Manitoba and Michigan last year, including the first class sleeper car rail tickets.

worksmancycles.com

Oh well, waiting for a lotto win… . (damn thing costs almost a quarter of the price of my house).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:01:31pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

Only two-thirds of a continent. Distance is a function of elapsed time if you keep pedaling.

and most of the trip is downhill…

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:02:41pm

I don’t like the Trump vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:02:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:03:42pm
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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:03:45pm

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

Hawaii?

Bike onto a ship, bike off in Hawai’i. My wife and I drove our car across Lake Huron that way.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:03:47pm

Bet there’s a lot of folks in the White House that are hoping FOX News doesn’t mention this…

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:04:12pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

and most of the trip is downhill…

You can always tip your seat…or turn the map over, whatever works.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:04:42pm

re: #172 FormerDirtDart

They won’t. Faux News is too well-trained for this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:05:27pm
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:05:53pm

re: #172 FormerDirtDart

Bet there’s a lot of folks in the White House that are hoping FOX News doesn’t mention this…

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They won’t.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:06:41pm

A reminder of the Circle of Derp:

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stpaulbear  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:09:03pm

re: #152 GlutenFreeJesus

North Korea just launched a missile. Bet Trump won’t say a thing.

Let’s ask his guests at Mar-a-lago.

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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:10:21pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:11:49pm

re: #64 PhillyPretzel

Instead of giving $$ to Netflix how about giving it to your local PBS station. The programing is much better and the shows are very good. pbs.org

Unfortunately my “local” PBS station is national PBS, and it sucks, BIGLY.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:12:57pm
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thecommodore  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:14:13pm

re: #30 Anymouse

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However James Clapper said the same thing today on MTP:

He also said, as anyone who understands reality, that there was no wiretap activity against Trump.

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teleskiguy  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:14:21pm
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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:14:53pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:15:04pm

re: #61 Ubiq

Hey, someone have the image of the Breitbart Centipede? I want it for my project.

(My project, by the way, is this nerd friendly site)

What a cool project, well done. I’m laughing my ass off.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:15:08pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

They won’t. Faux News is too well-trained for this.

re: #176 Ace Rothstein

They won’t.

Yeah, but all bets are off tomorrow morning, because you know Trump will be checking up on Morning Joe, before he tunes into Fox & Friends

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:15:09pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

and most of the trip is downhill…

And with 60 kg of bike, the quality of your brakes becomes really, really important.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:15:27pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:15:48pm

re: #101 jaunte

They should have a good laugh about that at Trump’s MarbleLego private club tonight.

Just imagine this happening twice in a couple of weeks during the Obama admin, and them not doing anything about it.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:16:01pm

#EmolumentsViolations - not just a golf club.

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:19:04pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

This is insanely dangerous and alarming. Trump is so fucking credulous & unstable that random unsourced baseless rumors on wingnut websites are demonstrably causing him to engage in abjectly insane & reckless behavior.

He’s the crazy “political” uncle at Thanksgiving dinner. Only now he was elected President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:20:03pm

For fellow lizards who are also history buffs, here are a couple of free Kindle books I just downloaded tonight:
Running a Thousand Miles for Freedom; or, the Escape of William and Ellen Craft from Slavery
This is a memoir written by Ellen Craft.

William and Ellen Craft were slaves from Macon who gained celebrity after a daring public escape in December 1848. The light-skinned Ellen Craft posed as a white woman traveling with her valet. The bold ruse worked and the couple were able to elude slave hunters and eventually cross the Mason-Dixon line. After many trials and tribulations, including pretending to be a married interracial couple, they eventually settled outside Savannah, Georgia where they were able to purchase land. Running a Thousand Miles for Freedom is a fast-paced, suspenseful account of their incredible journey.

The Cruise of the Corwin: Journal of the Arctic Expedition of 1881 in Search of de Long and the Jeannette by John Muir

John Muir relates the story of his 1881 voyage aboard the steamer Thomas Corwin, which set sail from San Francisco for arctic waters off the coast of Alaska in search of a ship tragically lost two years before.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:20:11pm

EIGHTH hail-laced squall of the day currently passing over.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:21:39pm

Thread.

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EPR-radar  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:22:18pm

re: #119 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve read that one reason Trump hasn’t nominated anyone for 515 out of the 549 positions which need Senate confirmation is that he thinks they don’t need so many people. Back during the campaign, he resisted hiring the usual large staff, and got away with it largely due to getting $1 Billion in free airtime, as well as a disturbingly large number of Americans being really stupid and gullible.

I suspect his thinking on staffing the Executive Branch is similar - they don’t really need that many people, and after all, he turned out to be right about the campaign staff thing, right? But I’m pretty sure that the Government functions can’t be covered by free airtime and stupid, gullible Americans.

I’ll take massive vacancies in senior positions any day over the kind of scum and villainy that Trump/Bannon would nominate. IMO these vacancies are the best news I’ve seen in months.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:22:26pm

re: #191 ObserverArt

He’s the crazy “political” uncle at Thanksgiving dinner. Only now he was elected President.

He’s the distillation of all our crazy uncles:

Finally! We have a president who thinks just like me!

“But Uncle Jim, you’re an idiot!”

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:23:39pm

re: #61 Ubiq

Hey, someone have the image of the Breitbart Centipede? I want it for my project.

(My project, by the way, is this nerd friendly site)

LOL … love the Website.

Maybe you can market the cards?

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William Lewis  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:24:34pm

re: #166 Anymouse

For that price it should have fringe on the top… ;)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:27:18pm

re: #195 EPR-radar

I’ll take massive vacancies in senior positions any day over the kind of scum and villainy that Trump/Bannon would nominate. IMO these vacancies are the best news I’ve seen in months.

That’s the thing - given how Trump, and by extension Bannon, feels about all the leaking and all that, they probably don’t want to appoint anyone they don’t trust. But they probably don’t KNOW 500 people they trust. And apparently they’re unwilling to accept the judgement of their Cabinet appointees - at least two of them proposed deputies that Trump/Bannon found unacceptable.

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451_Montag  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:28:40pm

re: #103 Timothy Watson

They going to do that every weekend he’s in Florida?

I would piss myself laughing if Obama’s next statement was simply… “There was no need to bug Trump. We had already bugged the Russians.”

Mic drop

Funny thing is I bet this is actually the real story.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:28:56pm

re: #188 lawhawk

The closest I’ve seen was this:

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:30:16pm

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

Hawaii?

Wearing floaties?

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EPR-radar  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:30:33pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s the thing - given how Trump, and by extension Bannon, feels about all the leaking and all that, they probably don’t want to appoint anyone they don’t trust. But they probably don’t KNOW 500 people they trust. And apparently they’re unwilling to accept the judgement of their Cabinet appointees - at least two of them proposed deputies that Trump/Bannon found unacceptable.

Another way of looking at this is that Trump/Bannon can’t find 500 people who are shitty enough to meet their standards.

Perhaps there is hope for the human race after all.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:31:21pm

re: #204 EPR-radar

Another way of looking at this is that Trump/Bannon can’t find 500 people who are shitty enough to meet their standards.

Perhaps there is hope for the human race after all.

Maybe they could nominate all of the Republicans in Congress, and then we could have new elections for the seats.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:31:32pm

re: #199 William Lewis

For that price it should have fringe on the top… ;)

For THAT price, it should have a goddam ENGINE!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:32:54pm
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Kragar  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:32:57pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:34:16pm

re: #208 Kragar

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Either?

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:35:04pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who downdinged you?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:35:59pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

False isn’t good enough.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:36:22pm

Trump Voters: I’ll start listening to you when you start listening to us. I’ll wait.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:36:26pm

re: #210 Anymouse

Who downdinged you?

Desert Denizen?

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:36:49pm

re: #210 Anymouse

Who downdinged you?

You can find out by clicking the number (or watching the Master Spy). I figure it was a booboo.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:38:01pm

When I listen to Trump supporters, it’s mostly tldr for Return to the 1950s. Nope. It’s not going to happen, and I wouldn’t let it happen if it could.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:38:07pm

re: #202 Belafon

The closest I’ve seen was this:

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No, we all didn’t ask. We knew that after 70 years of being a total asshole he wasn’t about the change, and he didn’t.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:38:46pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:39:17pm

re: #51 Anymouse

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:39:25pm

re: #216 Skip Intro

I think the “we” in her case was the media. A lot of the rest of us knew he was full of shit.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:40:04pm

re: #215 Belafon

When I listen to Trump supporters, it’s mostly tldr for Return to the 1950s. Nope. It’s not going to happen, and I wouldn’t let it happen if it could.

I think it goes further back than that, pre-Roosevelt, and I’m talking about Teddy.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:40:39pm

re: #67 lockjawcanbefun

Needs a cork in Trump’s ass, because the shit keeps coming out of his mouth.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:40:54pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

You can find out by clicking the number (or watching the Master Spy). I figure it was a booboo.

I don’t know the person … (s)he registered here in 2011 but only has a little more than a hundred comments. (Perhaps isn’t as big a blabbermouth as I am.) I don’t believe I ever ran across that member before.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:40:58pm

re: #220 Skip Intro

I think it goes further back than that, pre-Roosevelt, and I’m talking about Teddy.

I think they’d like to go back to that time when they were making a lot of money.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:41:11pm

re: #217 Ace Rothstein

Every time I see that horrible picture I have to wonder how many all you can eat buffets they put out of business.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:41:38pm

re: #210 Anymouse

Who downdinged you?

not worried about it.

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:42:00pm

re: #101 jaunte

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Great. Fucking great.

Is it weird that I hope our government ignores this?

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Timothy Watson  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:42:33pm

re: #224 Skip Intro

Every time I see that horrible picture I have to wonder how many all you can eat buffets they put out of business.

The Simpsons - All you can eat seafood

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:43:07pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have had a few down-dings myself. I remember when D_F down dinged me for my definition of GOP.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:43:18pm

re: #224 Skip Intro

Or how many animals were tortured by the son David.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:44:26pm

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:45:00pm

re: #226 Major Tom

Great. Fucking great.

Is it weird that I hope our government ignores this?

Well, if we had a president who wasn’t so self-absorbed with a wrecking crew for advisers, I’d be wondering why the government didn’t comment. (It’s hard to believe we had that only a bit more than a month ago… .)

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:45:26pm

re: #229 Ace Rothstein

Or how many animals were tortured by the son David.

Which one is that, and don’t say the ugly one.

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:46:43pm

re: #222 Anymouse

I don’t know the person … (s)he registered here in 2011 but only has a little more than a hundred comments. (Perhaps isn’t as big a blabbermouth as I am.) I don’t believe I ever ran across that member before.

There are so many of them. I no longer know how many registered lizards there are, but there are 140 logged in right now (as seen under ‘Statistics’ in the right column). I bet some of them have never commented, though they’ve been registered longer than you.

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:46:59pm

re: #231 Anymouse

Well, if we had a president who wasn’t so self-absorbed with a wrecking crew for advisers, I’d be wondering why the government didn’t comment. (It’s hard to believe we had that only a bit more than a month ago… .)

NK is a situation just volatile enough to offer Trump a real distraction. And one that could forever change the world beyond evaluation.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:47:34pm

re: #232 Skip Intro

Which one is that, and don’t say the ugly one.

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:49:24pm
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:49:38pm

re: #228 PhillyPretzel

I have had a few down-dings myself. I remember when D_F down dinged me for my definition of GOP.

What was/is your definition?

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:49:47pm

re: #233 wrenchwench

There are so many of them. I no longer know how many registered lizards there are, but there are 140 logged in right now (as seen under ‘Statistics’ in the right column). I bet some of them have never commented, though they’ve been registered longer than you.

Nearly everyone here has been registered here longer than me.

I just kind of popped up from behind a tumbleweed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:50:17pm

re: #223 Belafon

I think they’d like to go back to that time when they were making a lot of money.

Indeed. It’s not a particular time, since what they imagine never really existed. It’s a series of conditions:

1) A high school education got you a career that paid for a house, two cars, and college for your kids.

2) Your wife didn’t have to work.

3) Nobody was allowed to make you sexually uncomfortable by not conforming to the binary rule, and you were allowed to beat them up if they did.

4) You weren’t asked to consider multiple points of view, like that cops might be nice guys and do a good job generally but black folks might have a very different experience.

5) You didn’t have to worry about offending people by saying stuff about every group that wasn’t straight, white, and Christian.

6) Nobody gave the US any shit.

7) You didn’t have to think about slavery, or the genocide of the Indians, or the role of the CIA in overthrowing governments. Everything the US did was GOOD.

8) Nobody called you a bigot or a racist. You might be one, but nobody called you that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:52:28pm

re: #233 wrenchwench

There are so many of them. I no longer know how many registered lizards there are, but there are 140 logged in right now (as seen under ‘Statistics’ in the right column). I bet some of them have never commented, though they’ve been registered longer than you.

I sometimes wonder how the lurkers view those of us who post a lot of comments. You know, like “There goes that asshole Blind Frog Belly White again, blathering on about stuff. Like he’s All That!”

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:53:30pm

re: #237 Ace Rothstein

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:53:50pm

re: #238 Anymouse

Nearly everyone here has been registered here longer than me.

I just kind of popped up from behind a tumbleweed.

And nobody shot you? We must be slipping.
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:54:34pm
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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:54:43pm

re: #242 Blind Frog Belly White

And nobody shot you? We must be slipping.
//////

Well, you know how they say no liberals have guns. /s

(Of course you could shoot someone with a bow and arrow as well.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:55:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:56:46pm

O.M.G!!! Look at those ears!!!!

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:56:47pm

re: #243 FormerDirtDart

Support our troops!!

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:56:55pm

re: #238 Anymouse

Nearly everyone here has been registered here longer than me.

I just kind of popped up from behind a tumbleweed.

I wanted to call Eclectic Cyborg a newb when he posted this, but I wasn’t signed in, and he’s been here since 2010. More register almost everyday.

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:58:25pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

I sometimes wonder how the lurkers view those of us who post a lot of comments. You know, like “There goes that asshole Blind Frog Belly White again, blathering on about stuff. Like he’s All That!”

Maybe we could ask CuriousLurker. I think I heard her say that.

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while(1) worries++;  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:59:09pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

I sometimes wonder how the lurkers view those of us who post a lot of comments. You know, like “There goes that asshole Blind Frog Belly White again, blathering on about stuff. Like he’s All That!”

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:59:11pm

/

There’s a sarc tag, in case anybody needs one.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:59:24pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

I wanted to call Eclectic Cyborg a newb when he posted this, but I wasn’t signed in, and he’s been here since 2010. More register almost everyday.

Wrenchwench has 188,582 karma points and has been here for over a decade, the noob. /s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:59:27pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

I wanted to call Eclectic Cyborg a newb when he posted this, but I wasn’t signed in, and he’s been here since 2010. More register almost everyday.

I haz an anniversary coming up…conveniently it is the day before the Ides of March…

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 4:59:39pm

re: #243 FormerDirtDart

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If this doesn’t cause an instant reaction from the Cult of the Military in this country, I don’t know what will.

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:00:39pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

For THAT price, it should have a goddam ENGINE!

I thought the same thing. For that you could get a spiffy golf cart.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:00:43pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

I haz an anniversary coming up…conveniently it is the day before the Ides of March…

Hard to believe I’ve spent over 10 years with you creepy lizard people. I’ve been with you almost longer than I’ve been with Mrs. Fish!

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:00:50pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

I sometimes wonder how the lurkers view those of us who post a lot of comments. You know, like “There goes that asshole Blind Frog Belly White again, blathering on about stuff. Like he’s All That!”

When I lurk, I skip over most the stuff that isn’t news related. But I don’t care much for small talk, even irl.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:00:55pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

I wanted to call Eclectic Cyborg a newb when he posted this, but I wasn’t signed in, and he’s been here since 2010. More register almost everyday.

LMAO. Newbies. There’s only a handful of folks who’ve been here since the start of registration in 2004. And even fewer who were here from 2001 onwards. Registration helped shape the site into what it is today, and it remains a bastion of interesting dialogue , breaking news, photography, and music.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:01:27pm

re: #254 Major Tom

If this doesn’t cause an instant reaction from the Cult of the Military in this country, I don’t know what will.

I’m all in on reacting, but have no idea how to make my voice heard. I can’t write a letter to the newspaper (I just had one printed and they only allow one every thirty days.)

I can talk it up around the local area though.

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wrenchwench  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:02:19pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

I haz an anniversary coming up…conveniently it is the day before the Ides of March…

I registered on Election Day, 2004. Forgot to celebrate this last one for some reason…

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:02:34pm

My favorite couple, stylin’.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:02:43pm

Nothing of note from the White House. Probably tuckered out from early golf, and flight back to DC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:03:35pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

I registered on Election Day, 2004. Forgot to celebrate this last one for some reason…

all I really remember about last election day is that I ending up drinking a lot.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:04:24pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

all I really remember about last election day is that I ending up drinking a lot.

We all did, don’t feel guilty.

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:04:52pm

re: #261 Ace Rothstein

The 22nd Amendment is stupid. Death is the ultimate term limit.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:05:19pm

re: #262 FormerDirtDart

Nothing of note from the White House. Probably tuckered out from early golf, and flight back to DC.

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Hey, what’s on Fox tonight? Is it me?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:05:21pm

re: #244 Anymouse

Well, you know how they say no liberals have guns. /s

(Of course you could shoot someone with a bow and arrow as well.)

Funny you should say that, since I could do both…..

That’s me on the left, just loosed arrow.
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William Lewis  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:05:47pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

For THAT price, it should have a goddam ENGINE!

Not a Rogers and Hammerstein fan I take it? :)

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:05:51pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

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CuriousLurker  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:06:05pm

re: #261 Ace Rothstein

My favorite couple, stylin’.

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Wow, sane people. What a wonderful sight.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:06:11pm

re: #267 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m a fair-handed shot with a bow, a rifle, and a handgun. I haven’t had much chance to brush up on my shotgun skills, though.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:06:14pm

re: #254 Major Tom

If this doesn’t cause an instant reaction from the Cult of the Military in this country, I don’t know what will.

It might be worth tweeting the article at @iava and @vfw and #veterans to see what they have to say about it.

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:07:04pm

re: #267 Blind Frog Belly White

Someone went to the trouble of teaching a deer how to ride a tricycle and you go and shoot at it.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:07:54pm

re: #267 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s a kewl photograph with the arrow caught in flight.

Did you hit the target?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:07:56pm

re: #270 CuriousLurker

Wow, sane people. What a wonderful sight.

And he wears clothing THAT ACTUALLY FITS.

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meteor  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:09:20pm

re: #101 jaunte

Oh shit.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:09:52pm

This is a major scandal IMO:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:10:06pm

re: #261 Ace Rothstein

My favorite couple, stylin’.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:10:35pm

re: #277 lawhawk

Boys being boys. Locker room talk. Need I go on?////

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:12:24pm

re: #271 thedopefishlives

I’m a fair-handed shot with a bow, a rifle, and a handgun. I haven’t had much chance to brush up on my shotgun skills, though.

I used to be a middling shot with a bow. I shoot barebow, so how well I shoot is a function of my concentration.

With a handgun? I spray. Haven’t shot enough to get the hang of squeezing the trigger right, so my whole hand moves and the bullet goes… well, downrange somewhere.

With a rifle? I take no credit. The large guy to my right in the archery pic loaned me his Ruger Model 77 in .30-06 that he’d accurized. Practicing off a rest (pillows on the hood of his pickup), I put 3 shots into a 1” circle at 100 yards. It was ALL the rifle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:13:03pm

re: #271 thedopefishlives

I’m a fair-handed shot with a bow, a rifle, and a handgun. I haven’t had much chance to brush up on my shotgun skills, though.

Main shotgun skill is ability to point in the general direction and not hurt yourself when you pull the trigger.

It also doubles as a really effective club iffen you don’t actually shoot.

Just sayin’…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:15:09pm

re: #274 Anymouse

That’s a kewl photograph with the arrow caught in flight.

Did you hit the target?

IIRC, yeah.

BTW, it’s actually a coyote chasing a chicken.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:15:42pm

re: #279 thedopefishlives

Boys being boys. Locker room talk. Need I go on?////

Worse …

The news report was authored by Thomas Brennan, an Iraq and Afghanistan combat veteran and Purple Heart recipient who founded The War Horse in 2016. The nonprofit news site focuses on military and veterans affairs, and tales of combat heroism.

After its publication, several members of the Facebook group lashed out at Brennan, making threats against him and his family. One suggested Brennan should be waterboarded, a cruel and controversial technique used for a time by American military and intelligence operatives while interrogating suspected terrorists. President Obama condemned the practice, while President Trump has said it should be reinstated — against the advice of his defense secretary, retired Marine Corps Gen. Jim Mattis.

The War Horse originally broke the news of the Facebook group.
More:
marinecorpstimes.com

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:15:43pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Point the gun center of mass and squeeze the trigger slowly. That and say a prayer that no innocent person gets hurt.

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:16:55pm

re: #279 thedopefishlives

Boys being boys. Locker room talk. Need I go on?////

I was just about to post about one of the bestest lessons my mom ever taught me. Now I’m rethinking….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:17:54pm

re: #277 lawhawk

This is a major scandal IMO:

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An undisclosed number of U.S. Marines are under investigation after it was revealed they shared hundreds, possibly thousands, of nude photos of female service members in a private Facebook group.

The allegations, first investigated and published by The War Horse and the Center for Investigative Reporting, were revealed Saturday. The reporter who wrote the story, Thomas James Brennan, served as a sergeant in the Marine Corps and received the Purple Heart.

The group, Marines United, consists of nearly 30,000 members, most of whom either currently serve or are veterans of the Marine Corps, according to the Marine Corps Times. In that group, hundreds of members shared or posted links to photos of naked service members with their full name and rank included, per The War Horse.

snip

However, Brennan has received death threats for reporting on the pictures, with others calling for him to be waterboarded or for nude photos of his wife to be leaked as well, according to CBS News.

Brennan told the Marine Corps Times that there is a “bounty” on nude photographs of his daughter and that some have said his reporting is grounds for his wife to be raped.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:18:48pm

re: #177 Anymouse

A reminder of the Circle of Derp:

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:19:14pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Main shotgun skill is ability to point in the general direction and not hurt yourself when you pull the trigger.

It also doubles as a really effective club iffen you don’t actually shoot.

Just sayin’…

I’ve had a thing against shotguns ever since an adult cousin (who thought it would be funny and should have totally known better) put one in my hands when I was about 6 years old. I shot it and the kick knocked me back into the hog pen and dislocated my shoulder.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:20:50pm

re: #287 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

The alleged “deep state” is in fact just the real “state”, our government, which is working to protect us against harm (i.e., Trump.)

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:21:45pm

re: #76 JordanRules

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But wouldn’t we want to know what was the underlying crime and want to see its full prosecution? I think the answer is a resounding yes. Enough of us hate Trump so much that we want to see him finally pay for his sleaziness.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:24:11pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

And I’m betting the majority of the people actually involved in that Facebook group are not military or veterans (though many are).

I’d also lay money that Mark Zuckerberg is weighing which is worse, since his ethics seem questionable to me: Kicking thirty thousand people off Facebook, or profit from those thirty thousand people.

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:24:17pm

re: #290 Patricia Kayden

Oh yes, it’s being stated from the framing for his supporters.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:24:44pm

re: #289 freetoken

The alleged “deep state” is in fact just the real “state”, our government, which is working to protect us against harm (i.e., Trump.)

I get the feeling that Trump expected to change out the entire Civil Service for Trump loyalists, while simultaneously being unable to even find enough political appointees he trusts.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:25:34pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Main shotgun skill is ability to point in the general direction and not hurt yourself when you pull the trigger.

It also doubles as a really effective club iffen you don’t actually shoot.

Just sayin’…

Hitting a moving target takes some amount of skill. I already know I have enough mass that a 12-gauge shell won’t knock me flat on my ass.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:26:46pm

re: #288 allegro

I’ve had a thing against shotguns ever since an adult cousin (who thought it would be funny and should have totally known better) put one in my hands when I was about 6 years old. I shot it and the kick knocked me back into the hog pen and dislocated my shoulder.

My rather sadistic uncle gave me my father’s shotgun when I was twelve.

He took me out to teach me to shoot, and “forgot” to note I should put the stock of the gun firmly against my shoulder.

He claimed after I was injured that was supposed to teach me why.

I don’t think I’ve mentioned that I really disliked my uncle and I really don’t miss him much.

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:27:35pm

I’d like to make some hummus but I have no tahini or sesame oil. Anybody have a recipe or method that works well without?

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:28:27pm

re: #289 freetoken

The alleged “deep state” is in fact just the real “state”, our government, which is working to protect us against harm (i.e., Trump.)

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:28:47pm

re: #261 Ace Rothstein

Glad they have time for sightseeing with all that shadow governing and sabotaging they’ve been up to recently.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:28:59pm

re: #289 freetoken

When military rejects ride around towns with AR-15s threatening protesters and minorities, they get called “Oathkeepers.”

When lifelong civil service and intelligence agents work to keep foreign threats from destroying the US, its called the “Deep State”.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:29:04pm
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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:29:31pm

re: #296 JordanRules

I’d like to make some hummus but I have no tahini or sesame oil. Anybody have a recipe or method that works well without?

Here’s one (I can’t vouch for how good it is). The writer says it’s good and only takes three minutes.
allrecipes.com

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:30:40pm

LOLOL.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:31:23pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump will have all of them promoted.

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:31:32pm

re: #301 Anymouse

Thanks Anymouse! I’m hoping for a personal endorsement so I don’t waste my chickpeas.

If not, I’ll just do a chickpea salad I suppose.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:31:53pm

Although it is infinitely sad that dogs, no matter how much we love them, live short lives, it occurs to me that if they lived longer lives, they might get sick of our bullshit.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:31:56pm
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William Lewis  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:32:04pm

re: #294 thedopefishlives

Hitting a moving target takes some amount of skill. I already know I have enough mass that a 12-gauge shell won’t knock me flat on my ass.

Ive been planning on a new pump shotgun before the next duck season. I’m old enough now to understand that anything I could do with a 2 3/4” 12 gauge I can do with a 3” 20 gauge for much less weight or pain. So I’ll probably be getting a Mossberg 88 in 20 gauge and probably actually shoot it more.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:32:17pm

re: #300 jaunte

That fits with the representative on the floor of the US House that said people should only get their news from Mr. Trump.

They do seem to love themselves some authoritarianism.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:32:40pm

re: #136 FormerDirtDart

Nice little fireball at the end, probably an old forgotten gas or fuel oil line.

My son was in Atlanta on business and saw the implosion. But the related street closures almost made him miss his departing flight.

He said it was very impressive watching them come down.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:33:22pm

re: #304 JordanRules

Thanks Anymouse! I’m hoping for a personal endorsement so I don’t waste my chickpeas.

If not, I’ll just do a chickpea salad I suppose.

My wife makes hummus without both and it seems fine to me (her recipe came off the back of a dried chickpea flour bag).

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:34:17pm

re: #307 William Lewis

Ive been planning on a new pump shotgun before the next duck season. I’m old enough now to understand that anything I could do with a 2 3/4” 12 gauge I can do with a 3” 20 gauge for much less weight or pain. So I’ll probably be getting a Mossberg 88 in 20 gauge and probably actually shoot it more.

My dad has a Remington pump-action 20-gauge that I’ve shot on a few occasions. He goes after doves with it every season with a friend of his. I’ve pegged a few clays with it, but my last time out was thoroughly uninspiring, and it’s been a couple of years. I think when I next go home, I might need to talk him into another session.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:34:21pm

re: #296 JordanRules

I’d like to make some hummus but I have no tahini or sesame oil. Anybody have a recipe or method that works well without?

if you google “hummus without tahini” there are a bunch of recipes from reputable sources. But I can’t vouch for any of them.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:35:23pm

re: #300 jaunte

Newt’s statement is deeply unconstitutional. No loyalty oaths.

The only oath a civil servant or politician takes is to uphold and defend the Constitution, not the President.

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:35:52pm

re: #310 Anymouse

Okay cool, that’s what I wanted to know. Now that I know it’s not a total fail without I’m going to go for it.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:36:43pm

Newt is a born personality cultist.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:36:59pm

re: #313 Anymouse

Newt’s statement is deeply unconstitutional. No loyalty oaths.

The only oath a civil servant or politician takes is to uphold and defend the Constitution, not the President.

Well, it’s Noot, so imagine my surprise.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:37:22pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:37:25pm

re: #315 jaunte

Newt is a born personality cultist.

If only he had a personality.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:39:34pm

re: #317 Ace Rothstein

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I don’t see the problem. You do something nice for me, I’ll do something nice for you. As Frank Burns said in M*A*S*H, “It’s nice to be nice to the nice.” //////

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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:41:04pm

re: #317 Ace Rothstein

Ahhh yes, the good ole Roseneft theft.

Everything is so FUBAR right now.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:41:30pm

Presented without comment.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:41:44pm

re: #315 jaunte

Newt is a born personality cultist.

Newt still owes $4.6 million from his failed 2012 presidential run. That’s $4.6 million to American contractors who worked on his campaign. He’s stiffed his contractors.

That’s the GOP/Trump way.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:41:54pm

I cropped this, worked the shadows back a little. Spooky huh?

obs.astro.ucla.edu

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:42:52pm

re: #321 Ace Rothstein

You’d think tie-clips would be a thing for Trump, as he can use them to mount outrageously gaudy over-sized diamonds.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:43:45pm

re: #323 Unshaken Defiance

Drizzly all afternoon here.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:44:01pm

re: #321 Ace Rothstein

Shitgibbon never heard of a fucking tie clip?

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:44:22pm

Indeed, Trump could have had an entire line of “Trump” brand tie-clips… all overpriced and made in China.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:44:48pm

re: #324 freetoken

You’d think tie-clips would be a thing for Trump, as he can use them to mount outrageously gaudy over-sized diamonds.

Or an outrageously gaudy diamond tie tack.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:45:16pm

re: #326 Kragar

He probably does not know what they are. My late dad had tie clips and tacks.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:45:27pm

re: #326 Kragar

Shitgibbon never heard of a fucking tie clip?

Or even a safety pin.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:45:40pm

But those are the kinds of touches that link him to the common man….

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:45:52pm

re: #328 Anymouse

Or an outrageously gaudy diamond tie tack.

Never liked such things as they pierce the cloth.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:46:08pm

re: #324 freetoken

You’d think he’d know how to tie a tie properly so he doesn’t need to use tape on the backside to keep it from flopping around.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:46:11pm

re: #325 freetoken

We only had a couple hours of drizzle. Now broken clouds, like earlier when I took the orchid shot outside. Only 38F up there.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:46:15pm

re: #329 PhillyPretzel

He probably does not know what they are. My late dad had tie clips and tacks.

I had one of each, about ten years ago. Coincidentally, also the last time I wore a tie…

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DesertDenizen  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:46:20pm

re: #213 Ace Rothstein

Desert Denizen?

My bad. Fat fingers on phone. Fixed.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:46:24pm

re: #326 Kragar

Shitgibbon never heard of a fucking tie clip?

Nyet.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:46:38pm

re: #317 Ace Rothstein

Quid pro quo.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:47:14pm

Yup.

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:47:43pm

re: #321 Ace Rothstein

Nouveau riche.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:47:57pm

re: #321 Ace Rothstein

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He should just ditch the tape and go with a tie tack or something.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:48:42pm

On his own merchandise line on his “signature collection”, Trump has cuff-links. The tie clip is the obvious missing item.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:49:55pm

re: #333 lawhawk

You’d think he’d know how to tie a tie properly so he doesn’t need to use tape on the backside to keep it from flopping around.

Mr. Trump has a butler. You’d think he could dress Mr. Trump if he can’t dress himself.

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William Lewis  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:50:05pm

re: #328 Anymouse

Or an outrageously gaudy diamond tie tack.

I like using my army branch insignia as a tie tack. It can be humorous to see the expressions on the faces of those who recognize the Military Intelligence one for example… :D

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William Lewis  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:50:49pm

re: #336 DesertDenizen

I have that happen a lot.

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:51:55pm

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Jay C  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:51:56pm

re: #297 jaunte

re: #306 Kragar

re: #293 Blind Frog Belly White

I think some (honestly, probably all) GOPers want to see a return to more of those “good old days” of the 19th-Century “spoils system”, where every change of Administration meant a virtually complete replacement of ALL Federal appointees, from Cabinet members down to local Marshals and Postmasters: with said officials being chosen for their partisan loyalty, or as rewards for political favors. Of course, we have Civil Service rules now - and have had, since the prior system cost us President Garfield - but the notion of mass replacement of the Federal workforce on ideological grounds has been a hobbyhorse for the Right for decades (Newt G. being one of the main proponents).

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:52:09pm

\re: #342 freetoken

On his own merchandise line on his “signature collection”, Trump has cuff-links. The tie clip is the obvious missing item.

Is the “signature collection” in crayon, or those fat pencils we used in first grade?

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:52:24pm

re: #343 Anymouse

That Trump person may have a butler but Bates he is not.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:52:25pm

re: #300 jaunte

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:53:05pm

Son of a bitch…
Only a week before we move the clocks up, and we find out the damn things have stopped again…

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:53:40pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

LOLOL.

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DesertDenizen  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:54:35pm

re: #222 Anymouse

I’m usually pretty quiet. I read, but usually only pipe up when I have something useful to contribute, which isn’t often.

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:55:19pm

re: #343 Anymouse

Mr. Trump has a butler. You’d think he could dress Mr. Trump if he can’t dress himself.

Trump doesn’t keep servants around who try to improve him.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:55:34pm

Guard dog

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:56:17pm

re: #353 DesertDenizen

I’m usually pretty quiet. I read, but usually only pipe up when I have something useful to contribute, which isn’t often.

Shit, I have to add USEFUL information?

Sorry people. I obviously didn’t know how this worked…

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Joe Bacon  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:57:21pm
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HypnoToad  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:57:58pm

re: #323 Unshaken Defiance

I was up there two nights ago on the 60”. clear then. (Dome in pic 100”)

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:58:32pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

Son of a bitch…
Only a week before we move the clocks up, and we find out the damn things have stopped again…

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Kristol, Frum, McMullen. I wouldn’t agree with them on any policy, but at least we’d all shoot at the same enemy.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:58:49pm

re: #358 HypnoToad

Is it still closed to the public for winter? Usually till March.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:59:02pm

re: #353 DesertDenizen

I’m usually pretty quiet. I read, but usually only pipe up when I have something useful to contribute, which isn’t often.

I’ll contribute anything. It’s pretty lonely out here. (::

re: #344 William Lewis

I like using my army branch insignia as a tie tack. It can be humorous to see the expressions on the faces of those who recognize the Military Intelligence one for example… :D

I have plain tie bars. I would get a Gold Star Family tie bar but it would appear no one makes them (something about against the law to display the gold star symbol unless you were awarded the pin might have something to do with that).

Around here, I have seen a few Gold Star Mothers take the government-issued pin and turn it into pendants or such.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 5:59:15pm

re: #355 FormerDirtDart

That reminds me of Baretta’s bird. He would answer the phone for his owner. One time his CO called and the bird answered and woke Baretta up. After he answered his CO said,”Put the bird back on he sounds more intelligent.”

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:00:07pm

re: #359 Belafon

Kristol, Frum, McMullen. I wouldn’t agree with them on any policy, but at least we’d all shoot at the same enemy.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:01:09pm

re: #352 Belafon

Christie put Jared’s father in jail. Now Christie is hoping Trump will keep him out of jail.

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:01:30pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:03:06pm

Concerning NorK missile launches

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HypnoToad  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:03:23pm

re: #360 Unshaken Defiance

Is it still closed to the public for winter? Usually till March.

We (telescope operators) just had our refresher training. We’ll be booking observing groups in a few weeks.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:03:40pm

re: #365 Major Tom

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I remember when Republicans thought that Russia was our rival or competitor.

This sort of thing seems to confirm Mr. Johnson’s post of a few years ago saying he wouldn’t be going over the cliff with them.

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:03:49pm

re: #355 FormerDirtDart

Guard dog

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Sweet little Umbrella Cockatoo. Blossom (Moluccan Cockatoo) asks “Is that all ya got?”

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:04:28pm

re: #366 FormerDirtDart

Perhaps testing the administration to see if they’d attempt to shoot it down.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:05:53pm

re: #321 Ace Rothstein

Scotch tape fixes all!

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:07:09pm

re: #365 Major Tom

Nice picture in that news article linked from Twitter showing the Trump supporter throwing a Nazi salute.

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:08:23pm

re: #355 FormerDirtDart

Smh… The land of confusion. This is the World we live in.

GENESIS - Land of Confusion (1986)

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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:09:16pm
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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:09:17pm

Well, the soldier facing deportation after serving in Afghanistan just popped up in the #veterans section of Twitter:

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:10:05pm

… If it were true that President Obama had ordered the intelligence community to “tapp” Trump’s phones for political reasons, that would of course be a serious scandal—and crime—of Nixonian proportions. Yet there’s nothing in the published reports—vague though they are—to support such a dramatic allegation…

…[C]ontrary to what many on social media—and even a few reporters for reputable outlets—have asserted, the issuance of a FISA order does not imply that the FBI established probable cause to believe that any Trump associate was acting as an “agent of a foreign power” or engaged in criminal wrongdoing. That would be necessary only if the court had authorized direct electronic surveillance of a United States person, which (if we credit the BBC report) the FISC apparently declined to do. Assuming the initial applications were indeed for full-blown electronic surveillance orders, then the fact that the FBI supposedly did name the Trump associates at first would suggest they may have thought they had such evidence, but one would expect the FISC to apply particularly exacting scrutiny to an application naming persons associated with an ongoing presidential campaign. An application targeting only foreign corporate entities—especially entities openly controlled or directed by the Russian government—would require no such showing, even if the FBI’s ultimate interest were in communications concerning those U.S. persons…

In short, both Breitbart and Trump have advanced claims far more dramatic than anything the public evidence can support. That said, intelligence monitoring—whether direct or indirect—of persons connected with a presidential campaign inherently carries a high risk of abuse, and as Congress moves to launch its own inquiries into the Trump campaign’s Russian ties, it would be entirely appropriate to further scrutinize both the FBI’s initial surveillance and applications and the surveillance that was ultimately conducted for any signs of impropriety. In the meantime, it might behoove the Commander in Chief to refrain from issuing serious and inflammatory accusations based wholly on “intelligence” gleaned from Breitbart News.

h/t Balloon Juice

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:10:19pm

re: #367 HypnoToad

We (telescope operators) just had our refresher training. We’ll be booking observing groups in a few weeks.

You work there! That’s fantastic. The wife and I have been to Palomar, Lowell and Mt Wilson.
I had a great time up there five years ago. I love photography opportunities up there. Is it signal noise that screws with the towercam sensor? Or just a worn cam up there?
studio11photography.blogspot.com

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:11:01pm

re: #365 Major Tom

I’m going to guess she’s in charge of her school board’s book burning committe.

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Interesting Times  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:12:30pm

In which yet another SNL skit becomes a meme:

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:14:42pm

re: #377 Unshaken Defiance

You work there! That’s fantastic. The wife and I have been to Palomar, Lowell and Mt Wilson.
I had a great time up there five years ago. I love photography opportunities up there. Is it signal noise that screws with the towercam sensor? Or just a worn cam up there?
studio11photography.blogspot.com

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I would love to visit an observatory, let alone observatories, plural. A visit to some of NASA’s facilities is also on the ol’ bucket list.

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bratwurst  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:16:07pm

Perfectly normal!

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:16:45pm

re: #313 Anymouse

Newt’s statement is deeply unconstitutional. No loyalty oaths.

The only oath a civil servant or politician takes is to uphold and defend the Constitution, not the President.

Next Up a Praetorian Guard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:18:21pm
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HypnoToad  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:18:24pm

re: #377 Unshaken Defiance

You work there! That’s fantastic. The wife and I have been to Palomar, Lowell and Mt Wilson.
I had a great time up there five years ago. I love photography opportunities up there. Is it signal noise that screws with the towercam sensor? Or just a worn cam up there?
studio11photography.blogspot.com

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Not sure about the camera on the 150’ solar tower. Your pic is the 100” declination drive on the west side of the yoke; I’ve climbed up there a few times. I’ve operated that historic beast both before and after it was converted for public observing. I’m a very lucky amateur astronomer; never expected I would one day get to use these famous scopes.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:18:35pm

Night of the Vegan Nazi Holocaust Denier.
wonkette.com

(gigglesnort)

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:20:56pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

I would love to visit an observatory, let alone observatories, plural. A visit to some of NASA’s facilities is also on the ol’ bucket list.

It’s great stuff, and the people are always friendly and informative. Long term goal of mine-get good enough close access to one or two to photograph them in a showing of macro images. The closest artful look at the coolest parts of the thing that looks farthest away. Had a long chat with one of the guys at Palomar about the pure silver being replaced bt aluminum on the big mirror there.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:22:14pm

re: #386 Unshaken Defiance

Ugh, and to actually get to talk to rocket scientists… The closest I’ve come is in discussions over on the forums formerly known as JREF, where I’ve had discourse with former and current NASA engineers against conspiracy theorists.

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fern01  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:22:50pm

re: #186 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, but all bets are off tomorrow morning, because you know Trump will be checking up on Morning Joe, before he tunes into Fox & Friends

Which is why Joe continues to mention Hillary Clinton whenever he has something negative to say about frump. Someone needs to tell the media the election is over. The idiot won because of the combined efforts of the media and Comey.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:22:53pm

re: #381 bratwurst

Perfectly normal!

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Perfectly illegal way to bribe Trump, but who the hell cares?

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:23:16pm

re: #376 Belafon

Tangential to reporting about the President (whether the media or blogs like Balloon Juice), a pet peeve.

It really irks me to refer to the President as the Commander-in-Chief except when referring specifically to the President’s role with the Armed Forces.

When he is not acting in his or her role as the head of the Armed Forces, the President isn’t commanding diddly.

The term seems to militarise the office - when the overwhelming majority of what the President does has nothing to do with the military. /rantoff

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:24:18pm

re: #383 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:27:25pm

re: #384 HypnoToad

Not sure about the camera on the 150’ solar tower. Your pic is the 100” declination drive on the west side of the yoke; I’ve climbed up there a few times. I’ve operated that historic beast both before and after it was converted for public observing. I’m a very lucky amateur astronomer; never expected I would one day get to use these famous scopes.

Unabashedly jealous here. The spring up there will be epic. Most here keep it anonymous, but I’m going to be there and all over Angeles natl park for the wildflowers and landscape. Maybe gonna fly a rented drone from private property to get aerial footage legal.

I read they really fight to hold off the sheer power of the nearby transmitters from the camera up there. If you look at the towercam image after dark you see stars below the horizon. But anyway dude what a great thing you have going up there. May I ask your astronomical interest?

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:30:08pm

“How bout you, Ringo, what’d you do?”
“…I already did it.”

Faust

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bratwurst  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:30:45pm

re: #389 Skip Intro

Perfectly illegal way to bribe Trump, but who the hell cares?

If the administration is paying a “fair market rate” to house cabinet members, why not do so at someone else’s hotel to avoid appearance of impropriety?

Why don’t they care about their administration giving the appearance of being a cash grab?

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:30:55pm

re: #384 HypnoToad

.. Duh read the wrong line in the profile.

Must be more under the weather than I thought.

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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:35:50pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:38:56pm

re: #394 bratwurst

Do cabinet members always get free lodging? Either way, the money all goes to Trump.

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HypnoToad  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:42:10pm

The 4th Doctor and his favorite time machine.
There is nothing closer to a real TARDIS than the Mt. Wilson 100”, the telescope that confirmed both the existence of external galaxies, and the expansion of the universe.

Even the right colour!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:47:36pm
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fern01  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:47:39pm

re: #277 lawhawk

This is a major scandal IMO:

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And they make sure the black service member is at the front of the picture - but the media would deny any form of racism

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:48:58pm

Got an E-mail from my village clerk.

I get to go on my first government-paid political junket - I’m being sent to water operator school. (Get to learn all about the paperwork and laws surrounding operating a city water system.)

I get to go all the way to North Platte, one of the top tourist destinations in the USA. /s

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stpaulbear  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:50:00pm
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:53:05pm

re: #401 Anymouse

That is good news. :)

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:53:27pm

re: #400 fern01

And they make sure the black service member is at the front of the picture - but the media would deny any form of racism

I don’t necessarily know if this is some subtle form of racism or not, but if I was any one of those Marines in the photo I would be objecting very loudly about my picture being associated with such a salacious article.

The paper could have used a Marine Corps graphic or something else; instead they put a bunch of people in a photo that probably have nothing to do with the stink of this Facebook group.

The article about this in Marine Corps Times has a photo of male and female Marines in PT gear, shot in such a way that they are all pretty much unrecognisable in shadow.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:54:38pm

re: #402 stpaulbear

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Time travel wedding photos?

“Time travelers club meeting. Where: Clubhouse When: last Thursday, 7:00 PM”

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fern01  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:55:36pm

re: #321 Ace Rothstein

Presented without comment.

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Other than the tie - could he hold that lad’s hand any tighter - looks like the wee one wants to flee.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:57:54pm

re: #402 stpaulbear

This is fine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 6:58:34pm
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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:01:53pm

re: #402 stpaulbear

What is that burning in the background?

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stpaulbear  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:03:33pm

re: #409 Anymouse

What is that burning in the background?

It looks like it may be a bus but I’m not sure.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:03:58pm
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Timothy Watson  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:05:00pm

re: #411 Kragar

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No way Trump would waive executive privilege right?

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fern01  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:06:35pm

re: #404 Anymouse

The article about this in Marine Corps Times has a photo of male and female Marines in PT gear, shot in such a way that they are all pretty much unrecognisable in shadow.

I saw that one & immediately thought it was the much better option. I’ll stay with racism for the media photo.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:06:40pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:06:51pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:07:26pm
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Romantic Heretic  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:07:40pm

re: #313 Anymouse

But the modern GOP agrees with Louis XIV: l’etat, c’est moi.

So to them Trump is the Constitution.

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fern01  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:10:30pm

Imagine if President Obama had purchased a hotel and rented it out to his admin folks or charged folks $50K to visit with him in Hawaii. The outcry, impeachment.

Trump is in it for the money - it is untenable that the media and the congress are letting him do this with no come back. A government for sale is the current US.

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Major Tom  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:11:19pm

April 15th Tax March on Washington
April 22nd Science March on Washington
May 6th Immigration March on Washington
June 11th LGBTQ Pride March on Washington

Am I missing any? I’m compiling a list. Playing with my schedule.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:13:55pm

re: #418 fern01

Yep. He is a hustler and the Presidency is just a vehicle to enhance his bank account. No way a Democratic President could get away with similar conduct.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:15:07pm
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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:18:30pm

So, NorK’s fire four ballistic missiles off, and the White House Press Secretary is busy informing the world about…
What Mike Pence tweeted yesterday

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Timothy Watson  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:19:26pm

re: #421 Backwoods_Sleuth

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To be fair, I think any White House would be the same when it comes the media setting the agenda sometimes.

I think the missed lede is how powerless Priebus is if people are openly mocking him during meetings.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:20:23pm

re: #418 fern01

Imagine if President Obama had purchased a hotel and rented it out to his admin folks or charged folks $50K to visit with him in Hawaii. The outcry, impeachment.

Trump is in it for the money - it is untenable that the media and the congress are letting him do this with no come back. A government for sale is the current US.

He did promise he would be the first president to profit off the office.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:22:22pm

re: #419 Major Tom

April 15th Tax March on Washington
April 22nd Science March on Washington
May 6th Immigration March on Washington
June 11th LGBTQ Pride March on Washington

Am I missing any? I’m compiling a list. Playing with my schedule.

March 8: A Day Without Women
cnn.com

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:22:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:26:55pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:30:26pm

So reading about a volley of ballistic missiles from North Korea obliterating some few fish off Japan, I get this old man yelling at clouds vibe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:31:12pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:33:22pm
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freetoken  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:36:04pm

re: #430 Unshaken Defiance

What needs to be commented upon that graph is that at least two (Japan, SA) of those other countries on the left have the defense budgets they do in part to buy American produced military goods, and to support US operations in those nations.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:37:14pm
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fern01  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:38:43pm

re: #416 FormerDirtDart

The US has a President where it is the role of cabinet members to “put him in a better mood”!

Every day, in every way I cannot believe people voted for this fool.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:39:08pm

re: #432 Charles Johnson

Jesus fuck. I have to admit, I was always terrified this day would come… the day a bona fide conspiracy theorist was elected to the highest office in the country.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:39:33pm

re: #432 Charles Johnson

We’re left with GOP senators and representatives watching this unfold in real time, and trying to decide whether it’s in their interest to sideline these wingnuts or throw their lot in with them.

I’m not hopeful at the moment.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:39:38pm

Good lord, I’m in stitches laughing at the latest e-mail from one of my friends in France. They’re asking…

“What ever happened to Orly Taitz?”…

Yes whatever happened to the blond bombthrower?

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Joe Bacon  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:40:44pm

re: #435 Anymouse

We’re left with GOP senators and representatives watching this unfold in real time, and trying to decide whether it’s in their interest to sideline these wingnuts or throw their lot in with them.

I’m not hopeful at the moment.

And so far they ARE casting their lot with President Pee Pee!

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:42:17pm

re: #436 Joe Bacon

Good lord, I’m in stitches laughing at the latest e-mail from one of my friends in France. They’re asking…

“What ever happened to Orly Taitz?”…

Yes whatever happened to the blond bombthrower?

Orly Taitz is still up to her usual schtick:

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:42:19pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

I would love to visit an observatory, let alone observatories, plural. A visit to some of NASA’s facilities is also on the ol’ bucket list.

I had the honor (sort of) of occupying NASA control central in Clear Lake (aka “Houston, we have a problem”) back when I was a baby FWS biologist. Looked just like the movies represent but feels much smaller. It was empty when I was in there so I could only imagine it with all the people crammed in there during space flights.

Why I was there was weird. They had a mouse infestation. Mice chomp wires making it a matter of national security. I did not do rodent control but they insisted only a fed could go in there. My coworker was their initial contact but didn’t pass the security test to get top secret clearance since her grandfather had attended a communist party meeting some decades before. (I swear, I am not making this up.) They interviewed my parents and their neighbors, friends of mine and who knows else until they decided I was moral enough to go in there and murder mice. I set a few traps, which I could have taught them to do in maybe 10 minutes at a significant cost savings, but noooo. Also stuffed a few mouse holes with steel wool to prevent new entry. High tech.

Then they called me back to fetch the dead mice in the traps and reset them. Three times. For this I had top secret security.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:43:57pm

re: #439 allegro

Government efficiency at its finest.

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calochortus  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:45:14pm

I wonder if confirming Gorsuch to the Supreme Court will be the price of having the GOP get on board to get rid of Trump?
It must be dawning on a lot of them that they aren’t going to have all 4 years available to pass a healthcare law, reform the tax code, “fix” immigration policy, lower taxes for the rich and so on. Legislators can’t agree on most of the legislation, and sooner or later the public at large is going to notice that the factories and mines aren’t hiring lots of people at good wages, and they’re lives still stink. A qualified conservative justice is really the best they are likely to get out of this mess.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:45:20pm

Wow, Orly Taitz has been on one long Twitter blast all day long about this.

She needs to pace herself before she strips her thumbs on her cell’ ‘phone or something.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:47:08pm

re: #432 Charles Johnson

I think Trump and them would like to marginalize the intelligence community like they have the State Department, but they can’t for one reason: Trump and associates’ ties to Russia. And while we keep hoping Trump’s tax returns will get released showing how much he’s owned by Russia, I suspect that the IC knows that information.

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majii  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:47:25pm

re: #258 lawhawk

Don’t forget the recipes! I love when Lizards share recipes!!

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:49:09pm

re: #439 allegro

There are janitors at my job with a higher security clearance than me.

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stpaulbear  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:52:50pm

re: #445 gocart mozart

I cannot get enough of that gif.

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Anymouse  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:54:05pm

re: #439 allegro

LOL “moral enough to murder mice.”

When the government was investigating my background for my secret clearance, they sent the guys in the brown wrapper cars to my home town (which had 190 people in it).

Trying to keep a background investigation secret from the person being investigated from a town that small is pretty much impossible.

I kept getting contacted from folk at home saying “there are these government people coming round asking questions about you.” (It was sort of funny, telling people it was all right to answer their questions about me.)

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:54:15pm

re: #426 FormerDirtDart

I like this analogy:

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Moebym  Mar 5, 2017 • 7:58:47pm

re: #409 Anymouse

What is that burning in the background?

Democracy. /s…maybe.

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 8:03:20pm

re: #446 Belafon

There are janitors at my job with a higher security clearance than me.

I believe that. They are seriously paranoid about their special places.

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stpaulbear  Mar 5, 2017 • 8:03:47pm

re: #448 Anymouse

LOL “moral enough to murder mice.”

When the government was investigating my background for my secret clearance, they sent the guys in the brown wrapper cars to my home town (which had 190 people in it).

Trying to keep a background investigation secret from the person being investigated from a town that small is pretty much impossible.

I kept getting contacted from folk at home saying “there are these government people coming round asking questions about you.” (It was sort of funny, telling people it was all right to answer their questions about me.)

I once got a call from the FBI asking for a reference about a guy I’d been in a band with. I wasn’t home so a housemate took the message. The guy who’d given my name as a reference was a jerk as a band leader. He’d borrowed and lost my watch at our first gig and then took forever to pay me back for it (it was a gift from my parents). The band started losing members when it came to light that he was deducting the fee to our booking agent, but then wasn’t giving the agent the money. We found out about it when we called the agent to find out why our bookings were drying up. I never got a call back from the FBI, but I would have told them what a crook he was.

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allegro  Mar 5, 2017 • 8:09:58pm

re: #448 Anymouse

LOL “moral enough to murder mice.”

When the government was investigating my background for my secret clearance, they sent the guys in the brown wrapper cars to my home town (which had 190 people in it).

Trying to keep a background investigation secret from the person being investigated from a town that small is pretty much impossible.

I kept getting contacted from folk at home saying “there are these government people coming round asking questions about you.” (It was sort of funny, telling people it was all right to answer their questions about me.)

My parents had a blast with that. My dad especially. Told everyone at work about the interview and his daughter getting top secret security clearance. They were like “Wow! What does she do?” He sez “Kill mice.” They totally didn’t believe him. To this day I think they believe I was an undercover agent or something.

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Joe Bacon  Mar 5, 2017 • 8:10:44pm

re: #445 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

That GIF needs musical accompaniment!

Benny Hill Theme

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Ubiq  Mar 5, 2017 • 8:40:01pm

re: #198 Anymouse

LOL … love the Website.

Maybe you can market the cards?

I’d really like to not get sued by Hasbro. Even if I’m protected by Fair Use, they have many more lawyers than I do.


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