GOP Senate Nominee (And Far Right Religious/Homophobic “Culture Warrior”) Roy Moore Accused of Sexually Assaulting 14-Year Old Girl

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How surprised am I by this?

If I had to quantify it, I’d say, not one fcking bit.

Leigh Corfman says she was 14 years old when an older man approached her outside a courtroom in Etowah County, Ala. She was sitting on a wooden bench with her mother, they both recall, when the man introduced himself as Roy Moore.

It was early 1979 and Moore — now the Republican nominee in Alabama for a U.S. Senate seat — was a 32-year-old assistant district attorney. He struck up a conversation, Corfman and her mother say, and offered to watch the girl while her mother went inside for a child custody hearing.

“He said, ‘Oh, you don’t want her to go in there and hear all that. I’ll stay out here with her,’ ” says Corfman’s mother, Nancy Wells, 71. “I thought, how nice for him to want to take care of my little girl.” 

Alone with Corfman, Moore chatted with her and asked for her phone number, she says. Days later, she says, he picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, drove her about 30 minutes to his home in the woods, told her how pretty she was and kissed her. On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear. 

And it isn’t just one, either.

Aside from Corfman, three other women interviewed by The Washington Post in recent weeks say Moore pursued them when they were between the ages of 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s, episodes they say they found flattering at the time, but troubling as they got older. None of the women say that Moore forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact.

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478 comments

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:04:24am
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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:05:23am
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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:07:16am

re: #2 Kragar

I wouldn’t be comfortable being left alone with Roy Moore, why would I leave anyone else alone with him?

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:08:55am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:08:56am

My surprise, etc…

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:09:44am

re: #2 Kragar

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I assume they wouldn’t feel comfortable leaving their teenage daughter alone with Donald Trump, at least if they had any sense, but they voted for him anyway.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:10:36am

re: #4 Kragar

I would have rather had them kick of Nazis, but I think 280 characters is a big improvement. Tweets are readable.

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:11:35am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:11:38am
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darthstar  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:12:32am

It’s okay…they were probably all over 18.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:12:35am
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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:13:26am

re: #8 JordanRules

And if he doesn’t, Senator? What happens? Are you willing to caucus with the Democrats? Or is this just a version of “thoughts and prayers”?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:14:31am

That sound you heard was Roy Moore going underneath the GOP bus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:15:05am

I think it’s time for Roy Moore to ‘spend more time with his family’.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:15:12am

re: #4 Kragar

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That’s a pretty weak defense, Roy. Try harder.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:15:20am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:15:30am

re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White

I think it’s time for Roy Moore to ‘spend more time with his family’.

They may not want him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:16:31am
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plansbandc  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:17:00am

Yeah, the Louis C.K. rumors have been out there for a long time. People have been covering for him for a long time too.

This is what happened to a Vice reporter at the Aspen Comedy Festival when she asked about Louis C.K.

vice.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:17:39am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

That sound you heard was Roy Moore going underneath the GOP bus.

Stay in the race Roy; don’t let those Washington establishment types win! MAGA!

MolestAGainandAgain

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:19:40am

The last time the Senate expelled a member was in 1862 during the Civil War War of Southern Treason.

Though they have began proceedings against Senators since, just most have resigned. The latest being Bob Packwood. I wonder if the Senate Republicans would expel Moore if he were to win the election?

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Jay C  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:19:52am

from prior thread:

Garance is on point, as she usually is: but there’s a major difference in the two cases. Anthony Weiner’s sexting scandal broke pretty much in real time - or with a very short timeframe (even though it’s taken years for him to get sent up). It’s a different matter when accusations only get aired decades later: regardless if they are true or not (and I believe so: Moore’s published rejoinder is heavy on attacks, and dismissive of the accusations, but doesn’t (AFAICT) refute/deny the charges categorically).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:19:55am

re: #20 Big Beautiful Door

Stay in the race Roy; don’t let those Washington establishment types win! MAGA!

MolestAGainandAgain

Many
Are
Gropers
Aha!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:22:01am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Many
Are
Gropers
Aha!

Men are groping adolescents.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:22:10am

Short Eyes for Jaysus!

I really hope it’s enough to swing the election, but who knows.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:22:49am

Why does Moore still get to refer to himself as judge?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:23:25am

re: #25 makeitstop

Short Eyes for Jaysus!

I really hope it’s enough to swing the election, but who knows.

If it were any other state, I’d say to quote Red Barber, sitting in the catbird seat but it’s Alabama. That said, we’re going to give them a big scare I think no matter what.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:23:27am

It’s only a matter of time before Ol’ Roy gets in a pulpit and does the Jimmy Swaggart Thing!

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:23:33am

re: #26 Mike Lamb

Why does Moore still get to refer to himself as judge?

Its traditional with former judges, like former Presidents and Senators, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:23:42am

re: #26 Mike Lamb

Why does Moore still get to refer to himself as judge?

Same reason why Jeanne Pirro does. Ego.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:23:49am

Ha! I just posted a page about this story. I’ll C&P part of my page:

But of course, Moore ran to Breitbart “news” to issue a denial of the impending story, in which he said the story was concocted by the Democratic Party to defeat his senatorial campaign.

“These allegations are completely false and are a desperate political attack by the National Democrat Party and the Washington Post on this campaign,” Moore tells Breitbart.

In addition to being a White Nationalist, a gun fetishist, a homophobe, and all around creep, Roy Moore can now add [alleged] pedophile to his grow listing of right-wing accolades.

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allegro  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:23:50am

Rant…

This has me seething. Because of yet another instance of sexual abuse and harassment? Nah, I expect that. Always have. Just like every other woman. It’s what we LIVE and have lived forever. Don’t speak out? Get punished. Speak out? Get punished worse. Lose jobs. Lose careers. Get blacklisted as “troublemakers”.

So what has me seething today more than usual? Because until it’s a political weapon, it simply isn’t an issue of importance is it? It’s always been this way, men abusing and harassing women, molesting girls. So what? It’s only getting attention at the moment (just like during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings when such surprise and horror was feigned) because it’s a tool to harm a political opponent. It isn’t about the reality of women’s lives and the bullshit that will continue to be tolerated.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:24:11am

re: #7 Belafon

I would have rather had them kick of Nazis, but I think 280 characters is a big improvement. Tweets are readable.

Only if people use returns properly.

More than three lines before whitespace? Hahaha nope.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:24:35am

re: #29 Big Beautiful Door

Its traditional with former judges, like former Presidents and Senators, etc.

That is true. But he should be honest. He’s “Twice removed from the court, Judge Roy Moore.” And the only honorable thing about is DIShonorable.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:24:41am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

If it were any other state, I’d say to quote Red Barber, sitting in the catbird seat but it’s Alabama. That said, we’re going to give them a big scare I think no matter what.

I have my fingers crossed, hoping there is a bottom to the level of depravity Bama voters will tolerate in a Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:25:16am

re: #32 allegro

Rant…

This has me seething. Because of yet another instance of sexual abuse and harassment? Nah, I expect that. Always have. Just like every other woman. It’s what we LIVE and have lived forever. Don’t speak out? Get punished. Speak out? Get punished worse. Lose jobs. Lose careers. Get blacklisted as “troublemakers”.

So what has me seething today more than usual? Because until it’s a political weapon, it simply isn’t an issue of importance is it? It’s always been this way, men abusing and harassing women, molesting girls. So what? It’s only getting attention at the moment (just like during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings when such surprise and horror was feigned) because it’s a tool to harm a political opponent. It isn’t about the reality of women’s lives and the bullshit that will continue to be tolerated.

Fucking A.

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:25:37am

re: #35 Big Beautiful Door

I have my fingers crossed, hoping there is a bottom to the level of depravity Bama voters will tolerate in a Republican.

Sure, there is, but it’s not like Moore is rooting for Georgia in the SEC championship game

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:26:07am

The Fox News nuts will vote for him anyways because they know that Dems are always worse and besides, God forgave Joseph after he had his own subordinate murdered and took the guy’s wife, so what’s a little touchy feely with a 14 year old??

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:26:56am

re: #32 allegro

I hear you. I am optimistically hoping what we’re seeing represents the start of a change instead of just more business as usual, though.

(Shhh, just let me have my optimism.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:27:25am

re: #37 KGxvi

Sure, there is, but it’s not like Moore is rooting for Georgia in the SEC championship game

I have proof here in my hands that Roy Moore is an Ole Miss fan!

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:27:37am

re: #24 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Men are groping adolescents.

Moore’s A Goddamn Asshole.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:28:09am

re: #32 allegro

Rant…

This has me seething. Because of yet another instance of sexual abuse and harassment? Nah, I expect that. Always have. Just like every other woman. It’s what we LIVE and have lived forever. Don’t speak out? Get punished. Speak out? Get punished worse. Lose jobs. Lose careers. Get blacklisted as “troublemakers”.

So what has me seething today more than usual? Because until it’s a political weapon, it simply isn’t an issue of importance is it? It’s always been this way, men abusing and harassing women, molesting girls. So what? It’s only getting attention at the moment (just like during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings when such surprise and horror was feigned) because it’s a tool to harm a political opponent. It isn’t about the reality of women’s lives and the bullshit that will continue to be tolerated.

You are right, and I hope the national moment we are having will lead to real change in the world so that the victims of harassment can confidently report it and expect that its actually addressed. Up until now, 75% of victims of sexual harassment are retaliated against for reporting it, so they are victimized a second time if they speak out, which is shameful.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:28:11am

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I hear you. I am optimistically hoping what we’re seeing represents the start of a change instead of just more business as usual, though.

(Shhh, just let me have my optimism.)

Yeah I was just telling some friends that. I’m glad that more men and women feel comfortable coming forward because we seem to be being more willing to listen than we were in the past.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:29:33am

re: #29 Big Beautiful Door

Its traditional with former judges, like former Presidents and Senators, etc.

He was removed from his position twice.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:30:37am

re: #44 Mike Lamb

He was removed from his position twice.

Technically, the second time he was just suspended for the remainder of his term, then he resigned. Technically.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:31:00am

re: #44 Mike Lamb

He was removed from his position twice.

He wears that as a badge of honor while at the same time demanding football players not “bring politics” to their jobs when he’s the most politicized judge I’ve ever seen. You can’t complain about “legislating from the bench” and “judicial activism” and support Roy Moore.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:31:03am

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Yeah I was just telling some friends that. I’m glad that more men and women feel comfortable coming forward because we seem to be being more willing to listen than we were in the past.

Some of us are, and I think having support is a key difference compared to say 20 years ago, but this is far from done. There are still a lot of people out there who think it’s all fine, or that women should expect this, and nobody should be rocking the boat over this.

It’s up to the rest of us to make changes and make them stick.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:31:39am

re: #4 Kragar

Roy Moore statement:

“…If any of these allegations were true, they would have been made public long before now.”

Right. Because that’s how this works. Ask Disgraced Producer Weinstein, or Disgraced Actor Spacey, or Disgraced Publisher Wieseltier

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:32:26am

re: #47 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Some of us are, and I think having support is a key difference compared to say 20 years ago, but this is far from done. There are still a lot of people out there who think it’s all fine, or that women should expect this, and nobody should be rocking the boat over this.

It’s up to the rest of us to make changes and make them stick.

Oh absolutely. We still have miles to go. It’s up to all of us to be a listening ear if a friend or loved one tells us something like this has happened to them. I agree. Some of us have gotten better. Some of us have not.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:32:41am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

That sound you heard was Roy Moore going underneath the GOP bus.

I doubt it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:32:49am

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. Because that’s how this works. Ask Disgraced Producer Weinstein, or Disgraced Actor Spacey, or Disgraced Publisher Wieseltier

Hadn’t heard aout Wieseltier nor am I familiar.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:33:41am

re: #50 Skip Intro

I doubt it.

You missed McConnell’s tweet. They’re definitely trying to create some distance from him. It may be insincere but it’s there.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:34:13am

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. Because that’s how this works. Ask Disgraced Producer Weinstein, or Disgraced Actor Spacey, or Disgraced Publisher Wieseltier

See: Jerry Sandusky.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:34:23am

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I hear you. I am optimistically hoping what we’re seeing represents the start of a change instead of just more business as usual, though.

(Shhh, just let me have my optimism.)

I share your optimism. Hang onto it. Make it tougher than the arguments against it. Anita Hill is still fighting the battle. It will continue long after Clarence Thomas is off of the Supreme Court.

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ericblair  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:34:36am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

That sound you heard was Roy Moore going underneath the GOP bus.

Wonder if Turtle already had the oppo research on him, because he’s not “fake news”ing this. Nothing much they can do at this point, because they’re stuck with him as a candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:34:47am

re: #53 Dr. Matt

See: Jerry Sandusky.

God. I read some of the more vivid details in that case. Those poor kids.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:34:51am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Hadn’t heard aout Wieseltier nor am I familiar.

vox.com

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:35:02am

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I hear you. I am optimistically hoping what we’re seeing represents the start of a change instead of just more business as usual, though.

(Shhh, just let me have my optimism.)

I share your optimism. It’s heartening to see more allegations being taken seriously, in the Weinstein and Cosby cases in particular.

And I’ll point out that neither of those cases were politically motivated.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:35:51am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

You missed McConnell’s tweet. They’re definitely trying to create some distance from him. It may be insincere but it’s there.

McConnell was for Strange but he won’t do jack shit about this unless he can get Strange as a write in candidate. No way is he going to let a Dem get elected no matter what the Repub did.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:35:51am

re: #55 ericblair

Wonder if Turtle already had the oppo research on him, because he’s not “fake news”ing this. Nothing much they can do at this point, because they’re stuck with him as a candidate.

I’m sure the GOP establishment was dreading nominating him for reasons. Not sure though. They are indeed stuck with him. As Ski explained above, he can’t be taken off the ballot. They could perhaps try a write in but that would divide the vote.

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allegro  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:35:52am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

You missed McConnell’s tweet. They’re definitely trying to create some distance from him. It may be insincere but it’s there.

They’re just doing that because after Tuesday they really think he might lose. If they believed he would win they’s be all over the “fake news”.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:36:04am

re: #57 Big Beautiful Door

vox.com

Thanks.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:36:07am

So when will Larry Flynt announce another Million Dollar offer for dirt on ol’ Roy?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:36:22am

re: #61 allegro

They’re just doing that because after Tuesday they really think he might lose. If they believed he would win they’s be all over the “fake news”.

That’s why I said it was insincere.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:37:09am

re: #59 Skip Intro

McConnell was for Strange but he won’t do jack shit about this unless he can get Strange as a write in candidate. No way is he going to let a Dem get elected no matter what the Repub did.

True, you are right.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:37:11am

re: #58 makeitstop

I share your optimism. It’s heartening to see more allegations being taken seriously, in the Weinstein and Cosby cases in particular.

And I’ll point out that neither of those cases were politically motivated.

If we were a mirror of the wingnuts, we’d be claiming those were both fake news out to get successful black and Jewish people.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:37:45am
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bratwurst  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:37:58am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:38:45am

Well, we learned last year that GOP’ers are cool with sexual assault on adult women by the rich and famous, and also with the rich and famous dropping in on nude and seminude teens. I guess we’ll find out how they feel about their icons groping 14 year olds.

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allegro  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:39:31am

re: #58 makeitstop

I share your optimism. It’s heartening to see more allegations being taken seriously, in the Weinstein and Cosby cases in particular.

And I’ll point out that neither of those cases were politically motivated.

Weinstein is TOTALLY political. He was a democratic donor with ties to the party and, of course, Hillary. Classic both sides focus.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:40:25am

Judge Rape Moore.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:40:27am

From a Republican consultant who previously worked for Jeb Bush’s failed 2016 presidential campaign:

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bratwurst  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:40:40am
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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:40:42am

re: #58 makeitstop

I share your optimism. It’s heartening to see more allegations being taken seriously, in the Weinstein and Cosby cases in particular.

And I’ll point out that neither of those cases were politically motivated.

That said - I’m feeling low-level dread at the thought of what the women in the Moore story may be facing. Moore fans aren’t likely to take this lying down.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:41:43am

Lest we lose track of the other stuff going on too:

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:42:41am
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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:42:55am

re: #70 allegro

Weinstein is TOTALLY political. He was a democratic donor with ties to the party and, of course, Hillary. Classic both sides focus.

I don’t believe the women came forward to bring down a political opponent. All the shrieking about Weinstein being a Dem donor was after the fact, when RWNJs saw that there was political hay to be made.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:43:09am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:43:30am

re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White

I think it’s time for Roy Moore to ‘spend more time with his family’.

Somebody’s family. Hopefully not a family with adolescent children.

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Jay C  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:44:00am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

He wears that as a badge of honor while at the same time demanding football players not “bring politics” to their jobs when he’s the most politicized judge I’ve ever seen. You can’t complain about “legislating from the bench” and “judicial activism” and support Roy Moore.

But to Moore’s electoral base, it’s “judicial activism” for the RIGHT reasons: i.e. promoting “Godliness” “Religion” and “Patriotism”. As long as it can be seen as harming their “enemies” - they’re just fine with said “legislating”.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:44:13am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ivanka is human garbage as well. She pretends to care about people especially women but she’s nothing more than her father.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:44:20am

re: #71 Scottish Dragon

Judge Rape Moore.

Disgraced former-judge Rape Moore.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:44:52am

re: #80 Jay C

But to Moore’s electoral base, it’s “judicial activism” for the RIGHT reasons: i.e. promoting “Godliness” “Religion” and “Patriotism”. As long as it can be seen as harming their “enemies” - they’re just fine with said “legislating”.

Exactly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:45:11am
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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:45:56am

re: #75 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can juggle! :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:46:09am
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Jay C  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:46:55am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Smart response. I guess those canards about Ivanka being the only one in the family with a working brain may be true….

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:47:00am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:47:06am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They demand to see Moore’s long term teenage poetry certificate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:47:29am

re: #88 Kragar

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that’s the best one all day, well palyed.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:47:47am

re: #74 makeitstop

That said - I’m feeling low-level dread at the thought of what the women in the Moore story may be facing. Moore fans aren’t likely to take this lying down.

Yep. Far-right Alt-Christians are an extremely nasty group of people.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:47:49am

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. Because that’s how this works. Ask Disgraced Producer Weinstein, or Disgraced Actor Spacey, or Disgraced Publisher Wieseltier

Or disgraced President Trump…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:48:06am

So, if I’m reading this right, there are 4 women who were underage accusing Moore of everything from being a creep to undressing and groping. I’d say there are pretty damn good odds that there are a lot more women, some of whom got even worse done to them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:49:09am

re: #93 Blind Frog Belly White

So, if I’m reading this right, there are 4 women who were underage accusing Moore of everything from being a creep to undressing and groping. I’d say there are pretty damn good odds that there are a lot more women, some of whom got even worse done to them.

No doubt. When Anthony Rapp came forward about Spacey. More came forward after. Ditto Cosby.

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:49:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:50:15am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:50:18am

re: #75 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Confirmed: Senate tax bill fully repeals SALT
— Ylan Q. Mui

The states with the highest percentage of taxpayers using the SALT deduction are in the East and Northeast regions.

Translation: GOP trying to screw over Blue States some more.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:50:37am

re: #94 HappyWarrior

No doubt. When Anthony Rapp came forward about Spacey. More came forward after. Ditto Cosby.

Someone said there was a depressing, psychopathic sameness to all the Cosby allegations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:50:50am
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:50:58am

re: #87 Jay C

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Smart response. I guess those canards about Ivanka being the only one in the family with a working brain may be true….

Tiffany knows enough to lay low.

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ericblair  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:51:01am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

All these GOP senators say they’ll disavow Moore “if” the allegations are true. What is the level of proof they require? Only if Moore fesses up? Women are on the record.

The goopers are waiting with their fingers in the wind to see if this blows over like the Trump tape, or whether Judge Rapist Nutball will keep making the situation worse because crazy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:52:05am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:52:32am

Here is Luther Strange’s attack ad on Roy Moore and Protecting Children which seems very eerie now after today’s allegations:

YouTube

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:53:00am

^^THIS^^

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:53:19am

There’s a good chance this smarmy fucker could still get elected.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:54:39am

“puts blame on Bannon…”

L.O.feckin.L

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:54:41am

Let’s face it. This allegation will only rile up his supporters even more. They’ll crawl through nuclear waste to vote for him.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:55:10am

P.S. iPhone’s update to fix the strange autocorrect problem is now available.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:55:35am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:55:42am

re: #59 Skip Intro

McConnell was for Strange but he won’t do jack shit about this unless he can get Strange as a write in candidate. No way is he going to let a Dem get elected no matter what the Repub did.

I wonder if Bama law allows a primary loser to run as a write-in candidate?

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:56:18am

Good point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:56:27am

a (very) short musical interlude…

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:57:02am
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allegro  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:57:27am

re: #77 makeitstop

I don’t believe the women came forward to bring down a political opponent. All the shrieking about Weinstein being a Dem donor was after the fact, when RWNJs saw that there was political hay to be made.

I agree it isn’t political on the part of the victims coming forward in this or any other case. They are seeking justice at very long last, validation at least.

The publicity, the fact that they are getting attention now is the political part. Do we really think all these women have been mute all these years? That they haven’t talked about it to others, probably many, many others? How often have we heard that this behavior was well known by others as it was going on? It only becomes a Thing when it can be weaponized and then there’s suddenly all this “concern” for the victims and public horror at the behavior.

The proof that we really don’t care much about this as a nation is the election of an admitted sexual predator.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:57:31am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:57:41am

re: #103 Dr. Matt

Here is Luther Strange’s attack ad on Roy Moore and Protecting Children which seems very eerie now after today’s allegations:

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Too bad he made that an attack on liberals too because that would be a decent ad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:57:58am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:58:58am

re: #111 Ace-o-aces

What are the chances that Roy Moore *only* did this while in his early 30s?
— Ben Wikler

BINGO! If there are 4 accusers, that means there’s at least another 10 that haven’t come forward…yet. #LockHimUp

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:59:23am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:59:35am

re: #115 Kragar

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When I knocked on doors on Saturday, I had one lady say “Thank you, we’re quite tired of Republicans here.” I think they were a reliably Democratic family since they had me knocking doors at Democratic households but it was her 20 year old son I was asking to talk to so he could have been the only reliable Dem vote in a Republican leaning family, who knows. We got her and her son’s vote though and they now have a Dem delegate as well.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:59:49am

re: #113 lawhawk

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… all it takes is one good guy with a badge to save it from happening to everyone after the first.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:01:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:01:20pm

What the GOP is experiencing is real backlash. And I think it’s going to carry over into 2018 and hopefully 2020 too. Winning big in 2020, a census year/presidential election year, only one of those every 20 years would be huge.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:01:38pm

re: #35 Big Beautiful Door

I have my fingers crossed, hoping there is a bottom to the level of depravity Bama voters will tolerate in a Republican.

This & many other forthcoming stories is why he put fake news into our lexicon.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:01:39pm

re: #114 allegro

I agree it isn’t political on the part of the victims coming forward in this or any other case. They are seeking justice at very long last, validation at least.

The publicity, the fact that they are getting attention now is the political part. Do we really think all these women have been mute all these years? That they haven’t talked about it to others, probably many, many others? How often have we heard that this behavior was well known by others as it was going on? It only becomes a Thing when it can be weaponized and then there’s suddenly all this “concern” for the victims and public horror at the behavior.

The proof that we really don’t care much about this as a nation is the election of an admitted sexual predator.

Agreed, sadly. But as Klys said, hopefully this is the beginning of a change in attitude.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:02:39pm

When does Moore blame Soros?

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Egregious Philbin  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:02:42pm

The talibornagains always have something pervy in their histories, predictable as a sunrise.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:02:59pm

re: #107 GlutenFreeJesus

Let’s face it. This allegation will only rile up his supporters even more. They’ll crawl through nuclear waste to vote for him.

I hope there are enough sane people in Alabama to defeat him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:03:41pm

re: #128 Big Beautiful Door

I hope there are enough sane people in Alabama to defeat him.

I hope so too. He already was on his way to being the biggest dick in the Senate.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:04:04pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

When does Moore blame Soros?

The Uranium One story is going to be resurging on Fox “news” tonight.

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sagehen  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:04:17pm

Theory:

McConnell’s minions helped the rumors get to the WaPo reporter’s ears; a loss in AL would be 1) discrediting to the Bannon wing, and 2) less embarrassing to the party than if the stories came out after Moore was already in the Senate.

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:04:41pm
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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:05:35pm

Tonight on Hannity…

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:05:38pm

re: #128 Big Beautiful Door

I hope there are enough sane people in Alabama to defeat him.

There are. Getting them to vote, on the other hand…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:07:33pm

Sweet. Al Giordano more or less echoed what I’ve been saying about Perriello helping Northam out. Bernie apparently said he didn’t campaign for Northam because he wasn’t asked to. Dude, you didnt’ even endorse him. And sometimes you don’t need to be asked. The Virginia Democratic Party didn’t ask Tom P to campaign with all the House of Delegates candidates that he did. Tom chose to do that and it’s why God willing we might see Tom back in office somewhere in Virginia.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:07:33pm

re: #131 sagehen

Theory:

McConnell’s minions helped the rumors get to the WaPo reporter’s ears; a loss in AL would be 1) discrediting to the Bannon wing, and 2) less embarrassing to the party than if the stories came out after Moore was already in the Senate.

Problem with this theory is that if Doug Jones wins, that reduces the GOP majority to 51-49.

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Jay C  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:07:52pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

When does Moore blame Soros?

Already done: see this post at Balloon Juice OK: Breitbart, not Moore or the campaign, but the same-old-same old……

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:08:05pm

re: #133 makeitstop

Tonight on Hannity…

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DEEP STATE BRINGING DOWN TRUE CHRISITIAN CONSERVATIVE MOORE. CIA FULL OF ATHEIST LIBERAL:S!

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:09:36pm

Local columnist weighing in.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:09:43pm

re: #131 sagehen

Theory:

McConnell’s minions helped the rumors get to the WaPo reporter’s ears; a loss in AL would be 1) discrediting to the Bannon wing, and 2) less embarrassing to the party than if the stories came out after Moore was already in the Senate.

I don’t know. I’d think they wouldn’t want something that could really be a devastating loss. Losing the Kennedy seat in MA when Brown won was a harbinger that it wasn’t going to be good.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:10:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:10:16pm

re: #139 JordanRules

Local columnist weighing in.

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Pretty weak sauce Mike.

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sagehen  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:10:23pm

re: #136 Big Beautiful Door

Problem with this theory is that if Doug Jones wins, that reduces the GOP majority to 51-49.

Since they’re not getting anything done anyway, it gives them an extra layer of excuse.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:10:35pm

re: #132 JordanRules

Just like Cosby, the same story is told by each victim.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:10:45pm

re: #141 teleskiguy

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Is that Paul Giamatti on the far left? //

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:11:11pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:11:44pm

re: #114 allegro

I agree it isn’t political on the part of the victims coming forward in this or any other case. They are seeking justice at very long last, validation at least.

The publicity, the fact that they are getting attention now is the political part. Do we really think all these women have been mute all these years? That they haven’t talked about it to others, probably many, many others? How often have we heard that this behavior was well known by others as it was going on? It only becomes a Thing when it can be weaponized and then there’s suddenly all this “concern” for the victims and public horror at the behavior.

The proof that we really don’t care much about this as a nation is the election of an admitted sexual predator.

I don’t disagree.

At the same time, the more we have these well-publicized cases, the more women are speaking out because some support is finally there, and some people who have otherwise been successful at burying their heads in the sand are finally waking up and realizing that this is not the isolated small issue that they used to be able to write it off as. I’m hoping it can result in a change in the culture where it is easier for a woman* to speak up and be believed, where fewer women have to come forward in order for us to do something, and where men start to be proactive allies instead of simply looking the other way.

That’s the part where I am hoping for a change, and potentially optimistic that we might be seeing the start.

This case was going to be a bombshell either way because it’s not sexual harassment in the workplace but child molestation. (Really, let’s face it, that’s why it’s getting the screentime it is. If he’d confined himself to women just over the age of 18, nobody would blink an eye, based on what my ex seemed to be doing the last time I talked with him.)

* I am using woman as the descriptor here but this can and does apply to men too and they should be equally listened to when it happens to them.

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ericblair  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:12:05pm

Talking Points Memo sez

According to Alabama law, Moore cannot be removed from the ballot — but if the state Republican Party pulls its endorsement, votes for him won’t count and it can run a write-in candidate. There was buzz around Capitol Hill in the immediate aftermath of the explosive report that’s the path Republicans might pursue.

Good luck with that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:12:06pm

re: #134 BlueSpotinAL

There are. Getting them to vote, on the other hand…

The anti-Trump vote really turned out big Tuesday. If we have that kind of energy in Bama, we could have a Democrat representing Bama in the US Senate!

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:12:29pm

re: #144 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

And since the rumors have apparently been out there locally, as others have said, we may see more come forward now.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:13:03pm

Hey everybody! It’s Carl Sagan’s birthday.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:14:12pm

re: #148 ericblair

Talking Points Memo sez

Good luck with that.

If Moore is determined to stay in the race, I could see there being some litigation over the GOP’s attempt to withdraw their endorsement.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:15:05pm

re: #141 teleskiguy

SAVE WHITE CHILDREN!!!

Win valuable prizes!

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ericblair  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:15:54pm

re: #153 Blind Frog Belly White

SAVE WHITE CHILDREN!!!

Win valuable prizes!

Uhh…trade them with your friends? No?

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:16:49pm

Dispiriting talk with my fox news parents today…..

Forbes reports today that the GOP tax plan eliminates medical device deductions for the disabled, deductions for businesses who install improvements like wheelchair ramps etc…and other reporting has it that the GOP is targeting grad school tuition help(!!!!)

Basically, if you are a low income or middle income grad student (especially in the hard sciences), you generally get your tuition paid for in an arrangement where you work as a research assistant or geology 101 teacher etc and you live on a small stipend that is already taxed while your tuition is provided.

That tuition cost is set to be taxed and the bill would be astronomical. You are not getting income per se….you are not being paid, but you would still have to pony up thousands of dollars you do not have and that your stipend could not possibly cover.

Of course my dad thought this was not a problem and godammit why the hell do you expect to get do much stuff for free and pay your own damned way to school and don’t expect me to pay your damned school and hell no we never deducted your moms wheelchair expense too many damned freeloaders what do you take us for anyway??!!

My dad literally has no problem kicking low income people out of grad school if they cannot afford a tax hike that is being used to pay for upper income tax cuts. He seems to think that private endowment monies at schools are being robbed out of his pocket and by God he isn’t going to pay for freeloaders to go to college.

Oh, and disabled people shouldn’t get a break either.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:17:43pm

re: #144 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Just like Cosby, the same story is told by each victim.

Level of detail, contemporary corroboration, multiple victims telling similar stories.

GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!!!!!

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:17:56pm

Appropos of nothing - I noticed that NYT referred to C.K. by his full stage name throughout the article. I guess they thought calling him ‘Mr. C.K.’ was too weird.

The Times actually referred to Meat Loaf as ‘Mr. Loaf’ in a story about him once.

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Broad With Sass  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:18:48pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I have proof here in my hands that Roy Moore is an Ole Miss fan!

Ole Miss is nothing. tell em he’s a secret Barner

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:18:55pm

re: #155 Scottish Dragon

Dispiriting talk with my fox news parents today…..

Forbes reports today that the GOP tax plan eliminates medical device deductions for the disabled, deductions for businesses who install improvements like wheelchair ramps etc…and other reporting has it that the GOP is targeting grad school tuition help(!!!!)

Basically, if you are a low income or middle income grad student (especially in the hard sciences), you generally get your tuition paid for in an arrangement where you work as a research assistant or geology 101 teacher etc and you live on a small stipend that is already taxed while your tuition is provided.

That tuition cost is set to be taxed and the bill would be astronomical. You are bot getting income per se….you are not being paid, but you would still have to pony up thousands of dollars you do not have and that your stipend could not possibly cover.

Of course my dad thought this was not a problem and godammit why the hell do you expect to get do much stuff for free and pay your own damned way to school and don’t expect me to pay your damned school and hell no we never deducted your moms wheelchair expense too many damned freeloaders what do you take us for anyway??!!

My dad literally has no problem kicking low income people out of grad school if they cannot afford a tax hike that is being used to pay for upper income tax cuts. He seems to think that private endowment monies at schools are being robbed out of his pocket and by God he isn’t going to pay for freeloaders to go to college.

Oh, and disabled people shouldn’t get a break either.

I’m so sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:19:16pm

re: #158 Broad With Sass

Ole Miss is nothing. tell em he’s a secret Barner

Barner?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:19:56pm
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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:20:08pm

Steve Bannon can look past Roy Moore’s allegations just as long as they were White children his was diddling.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:20:48pm

I’d wager that every woman in this thread has a harassment/assault story. Here’s mine:

When I was about 10 years old, my sister and I were walking home from school. A man drove past us, then a few minutes later passed us again. The second time he drove very slowly and as he passed us he threw a polaroid picture out the window at us. The picture was taken in the car, and it was a photo of his erect penis.

A couple years later we were walking to the pool at the Y with a friend. As we walked along a busy street facing oncoming traffic, a car slowed as it approached us. As the car drove past, a man’s arm shot out the window and grabbed my crotch.

When I was 19 I worked for a trucking company. The general manager was fired and in the interim someone from the corporate office came in to run things. He would frequently comment that I looked “stressed out” and would helpfully (/////) massage my shoulders. He started bringing me into his office and giving me projects that I could only work on with him. It wasn’t until one of my co-workers who was about 10 years older than me said, “You know you don’t have to let him touch you, right?” that I understood that I was being sexually harassed. I never confronted him but I avoided him and would twist away whenever he put his hands on me until he got the message and stopped.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:21:01pm

re: #155 Scottish Dragon

The grad school stuff is true.

I saw someone run the numbers on a similar stipend and tuition cost for where I did my Ph.D.

The annual tax bill would go from about $2.3k to roughly $8.3k on the same ~$30k actual salary in my paycheck. And that $30k is on the upper end of grad student stipends because hahahahahahah CA housing prices.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:21:13pm

re: #155 Scottish Dragon

My oldest son is in that boat, and UK had a meeting with grad students to discuss it.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:22:01pm

Here comes the “It was 38 years ago, so what!” Right Wing defense all over Twitter and Facebook.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:22:17pm
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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:22:18pm

Ugh

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:22:46pm

re: #166 DodgerFan1988

Here comes the “it was 38 years ago, so what!” Right Wing defense all over Twitter and Facebook.

From the people who had no problem with Trump using Juanita Broderick to slam HRC…..

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:23:01pm

They haven’t even cracked academia yet, when it comes to older people abusing the young under their supervision and/or tutelage. That is one rotten egg. The Sandusky case was a peak into it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:23:15pm

re: #167 Kragar

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JFC dude.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:23:34pm
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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:23:35pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Auburn

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:23:50pm

re: #164 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The grad school stuff is true.

I saw someone run the numbers on a similar stipend and tuition cost for where I did my Ph.D.

The annual tax bill would go from about $2.3k to roughly $8.3k on the same ~$30k actual salary in my paycheck. And that $30k is on the upper end of grad student stipends because hahahahahahah CA housing prices.

I looked into it for UNC Chapel Hill, where I would be teaching low level geology while doing my degree program. I think the stipend is around 25,000. The tax bill would be unsupportable. It would close down grad programs across the country.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:24:24pm

My brother is considering grad school once he gets his bachelors this spring. Fortunately I think we will be able to help him and he’s got a job lined up with his buddy but damn.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:24:36pm

re: #139 JordanRules

Heard rumors about this for years. WaPo finally got the story. — Kyle Whitmire

Otherwise I’d wonder about the revelations coming out now.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:24:40pm

re: #167 Kragar

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:25:12pm

re: #172 Ace-o-aces

I think the OG 140 style would’ve still worked well there. LOL

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:25:16pm

re: #172 Ace-o-aces

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Mendenez. If you can’t even spell his name, shut up. And I bet he’s gone as soon as the Dems want him.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:26:15pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

From the people who had no problem with Trump using Juanita Broderick to slam HRC…..

Probably soon Bannon will bring out all the Bill Clinton accusers like he did with one of the presidential debates.

///

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:26:19pm

This is interesting.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:26:31pm

re: #173 JordanRules

Auburn

D’oh. I did see that 30 for 30. Fascinating. I have a couple friends who are big Bama fans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:26:48pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Sweet. Al Giordano more or less echoed what I’ve been saying about Perriello helping Northam out. Bernie apparently said he didn’t campaign for Northam because he wasn’t asked to. Dude, you didnt’ even endorse him. And sometimes you don’t need to be asked. The Virginia Democratic Party didn’t ask Tom P to campaign with all the House of Delegates candidates that he did. Tom chose to do that and it’s why God willing we might see Tom back in office somewhere in Virginia.

and given the fact that Bernie backed Tom in the primary shows that, when the general election came around, who is the real Democrat (and the bigger person).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:27:07pm

re: #168 Dr. Matt

Ugh

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So, he’d be cool with someone doing that with his teenage daughter (if he had one)?

Jesus, the lengths those people will go to to excuse their heroes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:27:10pm

re: #181 makeitstop

This is interesting.

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Well what would happen then? Hopefully Doug wins and it’s a moot point.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:27:32pm

re: #167 Kragar

Yeah this too. #metoo

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:27:55pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Well what would happen then? Hopefully Doug wins and it’s a moot point.

Dunno! Special election? Vacant seat?

Politics is weird.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:28:36pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

and given the fact that Bernie backed Tom in the primary shows that, when the general election came around, who is the real Democrat (and the bigger person).

Tom is awesome. I really resented CNN talking about him as if he were the “Bernie candidate.” Podesta supported him too and so did a lot of other HRC and Obama people. He’s his own man.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:29:05pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

The corruption case against Menendez pretty much rises or falls on whether the jury applies the McDonnell case. The US Supreme Court curtailed and severely narrowed the definition of corruption when it expanded the notion of official acts.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:29:06pm

re: #187 makeitstop

Dunno! Special election? Vacant seat?

Politics is weird.

It really is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:29:40pm

re: #189 lawhawk

The corruption case against Menendez pretty much rises or falls on whether the jury applies the McDonnell case. The US Supreme Court curtailed and severely narrowed the definition of corruption when it expanded the notion of official acts.

Interesting. Say though, say he were to step down. Who would be the favorite for that seat on the Dem side?

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:30:06pm
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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:30:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:30:57pm

re: #192 Ace-o-aces

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Yeah with O’Reilly, Bolling, Ailes, I’d thought I hear Lumpy’s name come out. I guess Lumpy’s just a partisan hack asshole instead of a creepy partisan hack asshole.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:31:15pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

So, he’d be cool with someone doing that with his teenage daughter (if he had one)?

Jesus, the lengths those people will go to to excuse their heroes.

Bill is a rapist and Hillary should go to jail but Donald just said what all men say and all the allegations against him are fake news.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:32:49pm

I know it’s a serious thread. But I want to show you something silly. This tweet is exactly 280 characters. Heh!

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:34:18pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, they are people my friend.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:34:28pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Well what would happen then? Hopefully Doug wins and it’s a moot point.

Apparently they can run a write-in candidate, such as Strange, I guess. It worked for Murkowski in Alaska.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:35:06pm

re: #195 Sir John Barron

Bill is a rapist and Hillary should go to jail but Donald just said what all men say and all the allegations against him are fake news.

////

To them, Hillary was as bad as an actual rapist for defending a guy accused of rape even though she dreaded taking the case. The DA in that case backed her up. I obviously felt terrible for the victim in that case but her anger at HRC was misplaced. And it was disgusting how the Trump campaign used her.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:35:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:35:58pm

re: #198 Big Beautiful Door

Apparently they can run a write-in candidate, such as Strange, I guess. It worked for Murkowski in Alaska.

Yeah they could. The difference is Murkowski wanted to do that and had much bigger name recon. That’s a possibility though yes.

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calochortus  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:37:08pm

Freepers are outraged-at Mitch McConnell. Seriously.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:37:11pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Yeah they could. The difference is Murkowski wanted to do that and had much bigger name recon. That’s a possibility though yes.

I would think Strange would want to if he got the endorsement of the State GOP.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:37:29pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Timing question - if it’s before January 16, 2018, Christie could name. After that date, it’d be Murphy. I think there’d be a special election that would be up next.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:38:19pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:38:31pm

re: #202 calochortus

Freepers are outraged-at Mitch McConnell. Seriously.

All Freepers are insane. People get banned if they post something reasonable there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:39:28pm

re: #204 lawhawk

Timing question - if it’s before January 16, 2018, Christie could name. After that date, it’d be Murphy. I think there’d be a special election that would be up next.

Right, I got that. Are there are any prominent New Jersey Dems that you think would be good Senators? Not familiar with your roster.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:39:29pm

If the Moore story holds, it means his chances of winning here are only about 9 out of 10. We use the Louisiana Standard—Live Boy/Dead Girl.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:39:47pm

re: #202 calochortus

Freepers are outraged-at Mitch McConnell. Seriously.

Aren’t they always though?

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:40:39pm

Looks like the OTHER Charles Johnson (WHO IS NOT OUR GRACIOUS HOST!)
is already trying to slime others inn a whataboutism game…

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:40:45pm

Someone on Facebook pointed out that Gawker had the Louis C.K story all the way back in 2012.

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calochortus  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:40:46pm

re: #206 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

All Freepers are insane. People get banned if they post something reasonable there.

I think there was only one person who said something along the lines of “Really? You’d vote for a child molester?” He was ignored.

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:41:40pm
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:42:36pm
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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:42:44pm

re: #211 makeitstop

They did and I remember. I believe Roseanne Barr publicly called him out a while ago too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:43:13pm

re: #210 Scottish Dragon

Looks like the OTHER Charles Johnson (WHO IS NOT OUR GRACIOUS HOST!)
is already trying to slime others inn a whataboutism game…

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Heh Chris is from Connecticut. This guy needs to go obviously but this is some really pathetic whataboutism. Yeah that Johnson needs to go. No question but that guy’s a state senator.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:43:24pm

re: #213 JordanRules

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:43:26pm

Oh, Breitbart…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:43:40pm

re: #213 JordanRules

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Oh shut up Erick.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:44:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:45:39pm

re: #211 makeitstop

Someone on Facebook pointed out that Gawker had the Louis C.K story all the way back in 2012.

I seem to recall there was a prominent woman comic, perhaps it was Chelsea Handler who talked about a prominent male comic who had a reputation but no one was saying anything because they wanted to protect him in the boys circle. A lot of people were saying that Chelsea was talking about Loue. Man it’s too big. Louie is someone whose comedy I’ve enjoyed but more than that, I thought he seemed like a decent guy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:47:03pm

re: #218 makeitstop

Oh, Breitbart…

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Joel, would you be saying that about a Democrat? Would you be saying that if these were men? Just shut the fuck up already for once in your miserable life.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:47:47pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:48:11pm

re: #213 JordanRules

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:48:12pm

re: #218 makeitstop

Oh, Breitbart…

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Yea, since Moore was trying to get minors drunk so he could molest them, they belong in the story.

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sizzzzlerz  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:48:23pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

That sound you heard was Roy Moore going underneath the GOP bus.

The wheels on the bus go round and round [thump]
Round and Round [thump]
Round and Round [thump]
The wheels on the bus go round and round [thump]
Right through Roy Moore’s chances

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:49:27pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:49:40pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

I seem to recall there was a prominent woman comic, perhaps it was Chelsea Handler who talked about a prominent male comic who had a reputation but no one was saying anything because they wanted to protect him in the boys circle. A lot of people were saying that Chelsea was talking about Loue. Man it’s too big. Louie is someone whose comedy I’ve enjoyed but more than that, I thought he seemed like a decent guy.

His dark stuff is really good too. Horace and Pete is fantastic. Talented people can be horrible too, and comics are generally really screwed up people.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:50:16pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

I seem to recall there was a prominent woman comic, perhaps it was Chelsea Handler who talked about a prominent male comic who had a reputation but no one was saying anything because they wanted to protect him in the boys circle. A lot of people were saying that Chelsea was talking about Loue. Man it’s too big. Louie is someone whose comedy I’ve enjoyed but more than that, I thought he seemed like a decent guy.

Article from October. Story from 2015.

I Got Shut Down While Trying to Report on the Louis C.K. Rumors

Posted by somebody else above or previous thread.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:50:45pm

re: #4 Kragar

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No, they wouldn’t. I was 22 years old when a judge kept me after court on a traffic ticket and then proceeded to come on to me. I was so afraid that I let the ticket go to warrant because I didn’t want to see him again.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:51:05pm

re: #211 makeitstop

Yup. The Louis C.K. stuff has been going around for many years. And, like Cosby, like Roy Moore, like Weinstein, Louis engaged in the same form of harassment over and over, in this case his insatiable desire to masturbate in front of women (WTF?!? Seriously?!?).

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:51:27pm

re: #218 makeitstop

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:52:32pm

re: #230 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

No, they wouldn’t. I was 22 years old when a judge kept me after court on a traffic ticket and then proceeded to come on to me. I was so afraid that I let the ticket go to warrant because I didn’t want to see him again.

If that judge is still on the bench, please, please report him to your state’s judicial conduct commission. You are not the only person he’s done this to.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:53:07pm

re: #231 teleskiguy

Yup. The Louis C.K. stuff has been going around for many years. And, like Cosby, Like Roy Moore, like Weinstein, Louis engaged in the same form of harassment over and over, in this case his insatiable desire to masturbate in front of women (WTF?!? Seriously?!?).

Yeah, that’s one weird-ass kink, right there.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:53:29pm

re: #218 makeitstop

Oh, Breitbart…

Interesting: GOPers going with simultaneous stories claiming allegations not true and that allegations not big deal.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:55:11pm

re: #235 Sir John Barron

Interesting: GOPers going with simultaneous stories claiming allegations not true and that allegations not big deal.

Hey, one of them will stick, amirite?

//

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:55:17pm
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BlueGrl21  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:55:59pm

re: #163 Flying Squirrel Girl

I’d wager that every woman in this thread has a harassment/assault story. Here’s mine:

When I was about 10 years old, my sister and I were walking home from school. A man drove past us, then a few minutes later passed us again. The second time he drove very slowly and as he passed us he threw a polaroid picture out the window at us. The picture was taken in the car, and it was a photo of his erect penis.

A couple years later we were walking to the pool at the Y with a friend. As we walked along a busy street facing oncoming traffic, a car slowed as it approached us. As the car drove past, a man’s arm shot out the window and grabbed my crotch.

When I was 19 I worked for a trucking company. The general manager was fired and in the interim someone from the corporate office came in to run things. He would frequently comment that I looked “stressed out” and would helpfully (/////) massage my shoulders. He started bringing me into his office and giving me projects that I could only work on with him. It wasn’t until one of my co-workers who was about 10 years older than me said, “You know you don’t have to let him touch you, right?” that I understood that I was being sexually harassed. I never confronted him but I avoided him and would twist away whenever he put his hands on me until he got the message and stopped.

My stories are so various and multiple it’s sickening to write down the list. First molestation was at 4 years old, had it happen by 4 different men over ages 4-10. Then I got a slight break as I outgrew one set of deviants, then it picked up again when i was 16. I stopped counting the inappropriate advances and touching. I was raped when I was younger. The last violent assault was at 43 years old. I am 45 now.

Age did not matter. Marital status did not matter. Job type did not matter. I used to think i had something about me that invited it. Now I know I’m not alone by any stretch of the imagination.

If you ask women to list all of the cases of “traditional” assault…let’s take molestation, physical assault (being forced up against walls, groped, held down against your will), and rape, the list would stagger you. If you add in verbal coercion, sexual harassment, casual ass-grabbings and people brushing up against you, people getting naked in front of you, naked photos you don’t want, man, pick your poison…you won’t find a woman that hasn’t experienced it.

I am glad so many people are coming forward now. This is not just the tip of the iceberg, it’s a seagull perched on the tip of an iceberg. There are a lot of really shitty people out there and they don’t limit themselves to one victim. They get away with it once and keep doing it.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:56:49pm

re: #235 Sir John Barron

Interesting: GOPers going with simultaneous stories claiming allegations not true and that allegations not big deal.

The quantum nothingburger defense.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:57:39pm

re: #229 wrenchwench

Article from October. Story from 2015.

I Got Shut Down While Trying to Report on the Louis C.K. Rumors

Posted by somebody else above or previous thread.

Yeah read that earlier when it was posted. That’s the boys network for you.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:58:12pm

re: #238 BlueGrl21

My God.

(((Hugs)))

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:59:53pm

What the ever loving fuck…..

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:59:59pm

re: #241 Scottish Dragon

My God.

(((Hugs)))

Indeed. I can’t imagine. I’ll be the first to say- my childhood wasn’t always easy but damn, just damn. We need to look out for each other.

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BlueGrl21  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:00:40pm

re: #241 Scottish Dragon

My God.

(((Hugs)))

Lots of therapy.

(((Hugs back)))

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gocart mozart  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:00:45pm

Brietbart headline

After Endorsing Democrat in Alabama, Bezos’s Washington Post Plans to Hit Roy Moore with Allegations of Inappropriate Relations with Teenagers; Judge Claims Smear Campaign

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:01:00pm

re: #242 Scottish Dragon

What the ever loving fuck…..

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You sir are not helping.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:01:14pm

re: #233 Big Beautiful Door

If that judge is still on the bench, please, please report him to your state’s judicial conduct commission. You are not the only person he’s done this to.

He’s dead, otherwise I would have done it a long time ago.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:01:35pm

re: #244 BlueGrl21

Lots of therapy.

(((Hugs back)))

I’m so sorry for what you had to experience. I wish you all the best.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:01:55pm

Angyal’s been cataloging sex abuse and harassment for years, reporting about abuse in USA gymnastics among other places.

Pretty much the entire front page of media outlets are stories about sex predators and predations on vulnerable people (whether by role and/or age).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:02:31pm

re: #245 gocart mozart

Brietbart headline

The important thing to Breitbart isn’t the allegations, it’s that they endorsed a Democrat. ZOMG. Seriously Breitbart needs to go bankrupt. Bannon needs to be seen panhandling on the streets.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:02:51pm

re: #242 Scottish Dragon

What the ever loving fuck…..

“Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”

The Judge strives to live according to The Bible.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:02:56pm

Again with the ‘If.’

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:03:11pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

You sir are not helping.

Biblical abuse. It is also abuse of the bible. He’s going to hell, if there is any justice in all that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:03:15pm

re: #238 BlueGrl21

{{hugs}}

I am fortunate in that I only fall into the second category. But that’s luck.

(A man exposed himself to me while I was walking around the local city one night with mr. klys. So technically to us, but I have to think it wouldn’t have happened to mr. klys by himself.)

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:03:23pm

re: #238 BlueGrl21

You are not alone. Please always remember that. I’m still coming to terms with how much I augmented my thinking and behavior after certain things happened to me (as a girl and woman) and other girls and women I know. Like, I couldn’t even see what some of it was clearly until just recently.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:04:12pm

re: #238 BlueGrl21

{{{BlurGrl21}}}

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:05:30pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

The Judge strives to live according to The Bible.

He was trying to procreate moar Jesus!

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:05:53pm

re: #245 gocart mozart

Brietbart headline

The goalposts have already moved past denials, now it’s about how charges don’t matter, no big deal. Get on it dead breitbart.

/

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:06:21pm

I appreciate all of you sharing your stories. My mother told me about the time her boss was chasing her around his desk. It is way past time for this kind of behavior to be tolerated.

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danarchy  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:06:31pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Mendenez. If you can’t even spell his name, shut up. And I bet he’s gone as soon as the Dems want him.

*poke poke* Psst, check your spelling…

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:07:38pm

re: #238 BlueGrl21

I’m so sorry. A close friend of mine was molested by an older relative for years and she said the same thing you did - she felt like there was something about her that invited it, since it didn’t happen to any of her cousins.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:07:52pm

When I posted about yard signs for Doug Jones (D) vs Roy Moore (R), I had no idea that the shit would hit the fan. A few tidbits for you:

When Kyle Whitmire says rumors had been around a long time, remember that he is a reporter/columnist in Alabama. This business was news to me.

I counted yard signs on the drive to work. 10 for Jones, 0 for Moore. If only yard signs could vote! In any case, there are no yard signs in Republican yards for anybody to remove as a form of comment or protest.

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nines09  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:08:00pm

re: #170 wrenchwench

They haven’t even cracked academia yet, when it comes to older people abusing the young under their supervision and/or tutelage. That is one rotten egg. The Sandusky case was a peak into it.

Hello WW. Good to “see’ you.
Jerry Sandusky was known. They looked the other way. Chose to. I heard every excuse under the sun in that one. Nope. All I heard was “My football team” and “Why are they punishing my football team?” Yeah. Your team. Fuck those kids. Hundreds I’ll bet. Jerry was a saint. Defensive genius. Story goes, Joe was going to die on the field, so Jerry so loved PSU, he just turned down a gazillion dollars to stay and run his….Charity. What a man. Hunting grounds. Hell, that one mother who refused to shut up that broke the case got death threats. They told her to shut up, “Jerry will never come back and teach our boys football.” JFC.
He was a known predator, and I will take that to my grave. No way something goes on that long without cover. JoPa destroyed his legacy with what he did not do.
“But he never knew.” Bullshit. Joe RAN that town.
I sat with a friend who was a PSU apologist outside the Bryce Jordan Center one night before a concert. Across the street is the new Ice Rink, announcing PSU to Division 1 Hockey. On the hill behind us sat Beaver Stadium lit up. And the BJC in front of us.
He didn’t think anyone knew. I said, “Look around. What do you see?” He didn’t get it.
Power. Money and more power. You going to go up against this? They will destroy you. Your whole life in in this valley. They can take it from you. Ruin you. Your kid. Your job. Where you going to go? Everything.
I like to think I got him to think. That is what every sexual assault victim is up against.
Money. Power. Ruin.
Yeah, Jerry Sandusky tore the lid off, and all some people did was cry about a damn football team.
This didn’t get as much coverage as it should have. For 20 Years, Gymnasts Said Their Doctor Was Sexually Abusing Them—And Nothing Happened

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:08:39pm

re: #242 Scottish Dragon

What the ever loving fuck…..

I hate to quibble with this man’s theology but we actually don’t know anything about Mary or Joseph’s ages from the Bible. There are a range of traditions about their relative ages, whether Joseph had children from a prior marriage, etc, but that’s it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:08:56pm

I’ve told this story before but I do want to tell it again.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:08:57pm

re: #242 Scottish Dragon

What the ever loving fuck…..

OK, that says it all. They’ve known about Moore’s sick predilection for years. And. they’ve been covering it up and quashing accusations the whole time.

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:09:00pm
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BlueGrl21  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:09:17pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I’m so sorry for what you had to experience. I wish you all the best.

Oh, I’m ok. I’ve had a whole lot of help and an amazing husband. I’m tough as hell now. Last person that tangled with me regretted it enormously. But he was not in a professional position of power over me. He had nothing he could hold over my head. So, I didn’t have the math of, “If I defend myself, what will happen to my career?” And that’s the math a lot of women have to perform. “Do i report it and burn down my career, or take it and deal with it when it ends?”

I posted that because I want people to realize that I am not rare. People face this daily, and people like Moore, Weinstein, Louis CK, Kevin Spacey…there’s never just one victim. Throw in the kind of power these men had over the people they lured in and it’s beyond disgusting. I try to be a sweet, loving person, but gelding is too good for them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:10:21pm

re: #260 danarchy

*poke poke* Psst, check your spelling…

Oops. It’s Menendez, my bad. But I’m not using him to act like Moore being a creeper is no big deal.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:10:22pm

re: #262 BlueSpotinAL

When I posted about yard signs for Doug Jones (D) vs Roy Moore (R), I had no idea that the shit would hit the fan. A few tidbits for you:

When Kyle Whitmire says rumors had been around a long time, remember that he is a reporter/columnist in Alabama. This business was news to me.

I counted yard signs on the drive to work. 10 for Jones, 0 for Moore. If only yard signs could vote! In any case, there are no yard signs in Republican yards for anybody to remove as a form of comment or protest.

It was good to hear that Moore even felt the need to distribute signs—there are none here, so I though it was a tactical decision. (Still owe you an answer on the Birmingham Jones campaign office.)

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William Lewis  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:11:02pm

Not sure how this fits in but I ran into an old High School girlfriend when I can down for week two of my training. We’re both divorced, she has 2 teenaged kids my one. So we’re going out tonight for our first date in 34 years…;)

Just substitute “a song from 1982” where appropriate. Waiting on the thunder, indeed…

Bob Seger ~ Night Moves (1976) ° .. *.☾°*. ●°*. ♫

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:11:21pm

re: #268 BlueGrl21

Oh, I’m ok. I’ve had a whole lot of help and an amazing husband. I’m tough as hell now. Last person that tangled with me regretted it enormously. But he was not in a professional position of power over me. He had nothing he could hold over my head. So, I didn’t have the math of, “If I defend myself, what will happen to my career?” And that’s the math a lot of women have to perform. “Do i report it and burn down my career, or take it and deal with it when it ends?”

I posted that because I want people to realize that I am not rare. People face this daily, and people like Moore, Weinstein, Louis CK, Kevin Spacey…there’s never just one victim. Throw in the kind of power these men had over the people they lured in and it’s beyond disgusting. I try to be a sweet, loving person, but gelding is too good for them.

You’re a survivor. Your husband sounds like a great guy. You’re not rare at all. I wish more people would just try to be decent for once.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:11:58pm

re: #271 William Lewis

Not sure how this fits in but I ran into an old High School girlfriend when I can down for week two of my training. We’re both divorced, she has 2 teenaged kids my one. So we’re going out tonight for our first date in 34 years…;)

Just substitute “a song from 1982” where appropriate. Waiting on the thunder, indeed…

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Hope it goes well.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:15:12pm

re: #232 lawhawk

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Not to mention that a 34 year old dating a 16-18 year old is fucked—doesn’t matter what the age of consent is.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:15:51pm
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:16:58pm

Guess who has the latest hot take on Moore.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:18:43pm

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Broad With Sass  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:19:24pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Auburn University is called the Barn by UA

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:20:22pm

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

Guess who has the latest hot take on Moore.

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Twitter should just purge anyone with a flag in their name.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:20:28pm

Yeah, he ain’t budgin’.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:22:33pm

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

Guess who has the latest hot take on Moore.

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Roy Moore has literally been removed from the Bench for not following the law. Weak shit. But hey when in doubt, attack the messager, pathetic right wing pigs.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:22:36pm

re: #280 teleskiguy

Yeah, he ain’t budgin’.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:22:49pm

re: #280 teleskiguy

Yeah, he ain’t budgin’.

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Of course not.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:24:48pm

re: #100 Ace-o-aces

Tiffany knows enough to lay low.

Give her time. She is a Trump, after all.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:25:17pm

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:25:38pm
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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:26:09pm
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:26:27pm

re: #280 teleskiguy

Yeah, he ain’t budgin’.

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But he is gropin’

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:27:58pm

re: #287 lawhawk

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That right there is all you need to know. These people are actually evil. They are fucking evil. They will vote for rapists and child molesters to get their tax breaks for the wealthy and to spit at gay people.

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BlueGrl21  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:28:06pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Of course not.

He’s gotten away with it for years and years. If he’s been confronted before he managed to weasel out of it. He’s not going to admit to a single thing.

The people galling me are the ones rushing to defend him. That’s some sick stuff right there. Women don’t come forward with childhood sexual molestation stories because it’s a fun reminiscence.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:28:35pm

re: #287 lawhawk

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:30:32pm

re: #287 lawhawk

But you are saying that you sick fuck.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:30:35pm
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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:30:44pm

re: #291 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

But, you see, he won’t support blacks, and he’ll impose his under-18-are-available form of Christianity.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:31:35pm

I’d vote for a child molester rather than a Demonrat because we’re the party of morality!

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:32:45pm

re: #218 makeitstop

Oh, Breitbart…

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Breitbart doesn’t belong on MSNBC - Ever.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:33:22pm

re: #295 bill d. (b.d.)

I’d vote for a child molester rather than a Demonrat because we’re the party of morality!

Pretty much that. If a person is so screwed up that they think the Democrats are grinding up babies, they’ll vote for any Republican, no matter how stupid, or wicked.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:33:27pm

To find out if Moore is truly evil or not we need to ask if he was wearing a tan suit when he tried to molest 16 year old girls

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fern01  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:34:26pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Yeah I was just telling some friends that. I’m glad that more men and women feel comfortable coming forward because we seem to be being more willing to listen than we were in the past.

And what started this “more willing to listen” - the attacks on movie people - those with left leaning politics - those who supported Hillary Clinton. The Political media will validate anything if it can be tied to the democratic party.

Trump was on film gleefully shouting about how he can treat women - because $$$ - and they elected him President. Moore will probably get elected.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:35:15pm

Just pages this excellent article in the still-publishing Playboy (yah, I know, I’ve always just read it for the articles) that takes stock of where we are now, a year after the election of Trump.

What has Trump really done? We can all run down the list of shitty things, but there is one big overriding thing that has gotten lost in all the noise:

One of the hardest things to understand about Donald Trump’s election victory isn’t the fact that there are seemingly millions of people who believe whatever he says despite factual evidence of the contrary. It isn’t the White Supremacists who’ve been emboldened by Trump and it isn’t the billionaires who are aroused by Trump’s tax, business and healthcare plans. It isn’t hard to understand Trump supporting and subtly encouraging a class wherein the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and it isn’t hard to understand how the rich manipulate events with wads of sweaty cash to grease the wheels of government on their behalf.

No, the hardest thing to understand about Trump’s victory are the millions of people who held their nose and pulled the lever thinking he was the lesser of two evils. Worse, it’s those who acknowledge every factual bit of evidence about Trump but still believe he is the lesser of two evils. That speaks horrendously for our Republic.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:37:11pm

re: #293 Scottish Dragon

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Your next Value Voters Summit keynoter!

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:37:22pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:37:46pm

The takeaway: the biggest change Trump has made is that it is now impossible to pretend that our politics, the way we govern ourselves, is working in any meaningful way any more.

As a country, we have lost our way.

Elections have consequences. But only for the little people.

The rich live in a consequence-free world.

Our core problems - income inequity, environmental destruction, mass shootings, racism, sexism, inner cities abandoned to crumble into “Chiraq” … we aren’t dealing with ANY of that.

Our country is broken. Trump is just the instrument that rubs our noses in it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:39:20pm

re: #302 Ace-o-aces

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I was thinking hte same thing.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:40:03pm

re: #302 Ace-o-aces

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That guy does know that Joseph supposedly didn’t touch the teenaged Mary, right?

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:40:10pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:40:56pm

re: #287 lawhawk

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fern01  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:41:48pm

re: #77 makeitstop

I don’t believe the women came forward to bring down a political opponent. All the shrieking about Weinstein being a Dem donor was after the fact, when RWNJs saw that there was political hay to be made.

The women didn’t - but the media did - INSTANTLY. Weinstein was trashed, Hillary was trashed (again) - every pundit demanded she say something. It was political before I read the first story.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:41:53pm

re: #305 bill d. (b.d.)

That guy does know that Joseph supposedly didn’t touch the teenaged Mary, right?

It’s worse if an ancient god did it. The age-gap would be huge, worse than even vampire stories like Twilight.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:42:39pm
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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:43:06pm

re: #303 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

The takeaway: the biggest change Trump has made is that it is now impossible to pretend that our politics, the way we govern ourselves, is working in any meaningful way any more.

As a country, we have lost our way.

Elections have consequences. But only for the little people.

The rich live in a consequence-free world.

Our core problems - income inequity, environmental destruction, mass shootings, racism, sexism, inner cities abandoned to crumble into “Chiraq” … we aren’t dealing with ANY of that.

Our country is broken. Trump is just the instrument that rubs our noses in it.

This might sound like a strange version of optimism, but you’re seeing the cornered white supremacists, those that wear the uniform and those that don’t, fighting to hold on. They know they’re going to lose it, but they’re doing everything they can to hold on. What we’re seeing are the results of the faults in our current system that need to be fixed: gerrymandering, the EC, Citizens United. As with what happened in VA, it’s going to take all of us to fix it, but now is our time to set things up make some of those fixes.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:43:38pm

60° F at my twenty. Early season skiing is the white ribbon of death unless we get a lot of snow in the next couple of weeks, and that’s not looking good. Abnormally warm afternoons for the foreseeable future. *sigh*

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:44:12pm

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

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Speaking as a 30 year old male, I definitely would not feel right looking for romance from my 16 year old brother’s female classmates.

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BlueGrl21  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:44:56pm

The question for me is did Moore know he was crossing a line, or was he really just asking these girls on a date?

He lured them away from their mothers to go off alone with him.

If it’s so pure and innocent, why lure them into private places, away from their mothers? Why isolate them?

He’s a sexual predator. Would not matter if the women were 16 or 36.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:45:38pm

This is both fitting to today’s events, and a welcome break from reality

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:45:43pm

re: #312 teleskiguy

Good grief! I live *at* sea level and it’s 60 degrees here! My sister lives in Denver and said it’s way too warm for this time of year.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:45:52pm

re: #314 BlueGrl21

I thought one was 14.

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:46:20pm

re: #305 bill d. (b.d.)

That guy does know that Joseph supposedly didn’t touch the teenaged Mary, right?

Depending on which account you believe… assuming you believe any of them actually existed.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:47:56pm

re: #316 Flying Squirrel Girl

It’s warmer at my place (two hours west of Denver) than it is in Denver right now, Denver’s at 44° F right now.

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:48:12pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Speaking as a 30 year old male, I definitely would not feel right looking for romance from my 16 year old brother’s female classmates.

The rule on tinder/bumble/other dating sites is half your age plus seven.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:48:29pm

re: #318 KGxvi

Depending on which account you believe… assuming you believe any of them actually existed.

The guy who said it supposedly does. He isn’t even keeping his story consistent, though no one should be surprised.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:49:09pm

In other news, Sturgill Simpson is a badass.

In the midsts of answering questions, Simpson is asked about his thoughts on Trump. The singer lets loose: “He’s a fascist fucking pig,” he said. “And I’m not afraid to say that because at this point, anybody that’s still supporting that guy can’t be anything, in my mind, other than an ignorant fucking bigot.”

“Anybody that is surprised to hear me say that, that’s going to unfollow me or stop listening to my records, they probably weren’t listening that closely any way,” he continued.

And he gave a mock CMA acceptance speech:

“Nobody needs a machine gun, coming from a guy who owns a few guns. Gay people should have the right to be happy and live their life any way they want to get married to anyone they want to without fear of getting dragged down the road behind a pick up truck. Black people are probably getting shot in the streets and being enslaved by the industrial prison complex and hegemony and fascism is alive and well in Nashville, Tennessee. Thank you very much.”

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:49:15pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Speaking as a 30 year old male, I definitely would not feel right looking for romance from my 16 year old brother’s female classmates.

It’s not romance

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:49:27pm

re: #321 Belafon

The guy who said it supposedly does. He isn’t even keeping his story consistent, though no one should be surprised.

I’d make a joke about the bible and other Christian writings not being able to keep their story straight, but I just don’t have it in me at this point

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BlueGrl21  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:50:20pm

re: #317 Skip Intro

I thought one was 14.

They’re choosing to ignore that girl when they’re defending him.

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weave  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:50:43pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:50:46pm

re: #320 KGxvi

The rule on tinder/bumble/other dating sites is half your age plus seven.

AKA ‘The Creep Factor’: anything less than half your age +7 = Creepy.

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plansbandc  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:51:00pm

Been warm enough to wear shorts on my walks. Yeah, it’s the second week in November.

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fern01  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:51:22pm

re: #119 JordanRules

President Macron arrives in #Saudi received here by MBS at airport…Lebanon among other issues to be discussed

Hasn’t taken long for the world to realize the US is no longer the country to lead discussion on multi nation issues. A year ago this would have been Sec Kerry arriving in #Saudi.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:52:12pm

re: #328 plansbandc

Been warm enough to wear shorts on my walks. Yeah, it’s the second week in November.

It’s warmer outside than it is in my cave bike shop.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:52:13pm

re: #325 BlueGrl21

They’re choosing to ignore that girl when they’re defending him.

So I noticed, and that’s how the story will be reported by Fox, if they report it at all. Then they’ll go a straight 24 hours talking about Bill Clinton’s “love child”.

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gwangung  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:52:41pm

re: #329 fern01

Hasn’t taken long for the world to realize the US is no longer the country to lead discussion on multi nation issues. A year ago this would have been Sec Kerry arriving in #Saudi.

Yup. A lot of our world power and influence was pissed away for no good reason.

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:52:59pm

re: #329 fern01

Yup. That was one of my first thoughts when I saw the picture.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:53:19pm

re: #331 Skip Intro

So I noticed, and that’s how the story will be reported by Fox, if they report it at all. Then they’ll go a straight 24 hours talking about Bill Clinton’s “love child”.

Hannity probably: How come nobody is talking about Pizzagate?

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:53:46pm

re: #327 Blind Frog Belly White

AKA ‘The Creep Factor’: anything less than half your age +7 = Creepy.

I’m approaching 40 quicker than I’d care to admit. 27 seems both very young and at the same time, not that young. Then again, 66 seems creepy as fuck.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:53:54pm

re: #322 makeitstop

My favorite touring rock band Umphrey’s McGee covered one of his songs at their New Year’s show last year, that’s the first I ever even heard of him. I now have all three of his albums and I can definitely say he’s one my favorite country music artists. His stuff is so good.

Turtles All the Way Down

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:54:09pm

re: #302 Ace-o-aces

That’s unbelievable. Wait, no it’s not.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:54:15pm

re: #320 KGxvi

The rule on tinder/bumble/other dating sites is half your age plus seven.

Half my age plus 7 is the age of my truck. I’ve been doing this wrong.

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weave  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:54:46pm

re: #310 FormerDirtDart

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I do believe the Pennsylvania Amish school building where there was a mass shooting several years ago was quickly torn down and a new one was built nearby.

It’s the right thing to do.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:55:14pm

re: #334 Sir John Barron

Hannity probably: How come nobody is talking about Pizzagate?

He’ll have Bo Dietl and Mark Furhman back on to talk about all the people Hillary Clinton had murdered.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:55:40pm

re: #242 Scottish Dragon

What the ever loving fuck…..

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I’m pretty darned certain the official story of Jesus’s parentage is just a wee bit different in a particular detail.

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:56:11pm

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Half my age plus 7 is the age of my truck. I’ve been doing this wrong.

Depends on the truck. I wouldn’t mind a car older than me, but that’s mostly because I find newer cars to lack a certain je ne sais quoi

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:56:15pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:56:38pm

re: #320 KGxvi

The rule on tinder/bumble/other dating sites is half your age plus seven.

Which, for the record, I think mr. klys and I finally hit two years ago?

Monday was our 7th wedding anniversary.

As a counterpoint to all those creepy comments.

That said, I was 22 when we met, having finished undergrad and supporting my then-unemployed boyfriend while starting graduate school.

I won’t make sweeping generalizations about age gap relationships in general, but this story? That’s wrong and should be enough to take him down, full stop. I don’t necessarily believe it will be, but…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:56:48pm

re: #335 KGxvi

I’m approaching 40 quicker than I’d care to admit. 27 seems both very young and at the same time, not that young. Then again, 66 seems creepy as fuck.

For me, it’s just about to be 37. One man’s Cougar is another man’s Cradle Robbing.

BTW, if an old guy dating a young woman is “robbing the cradle”, does that mean she’s robbing the grave?

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:56:54pm

re: #336 teleskiguy

My favorite touring rock band Umphrey’s McGee covered one of his songs at their New Year’s show last year, that’s the first I ever even heard of him. I now have all three of his albums and I can definitely say he’s one my favorite country music artists. His stuff is so good.

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There’s a video of the FB Live at the link. He’s a pretty cool guy, and he shouts out to Jason Isbell and Chris Singleton a lot. And he does ‘Turtles’ live on the sidewalk outside the CMA.

Country needs more artists like him, Isbell and Singleton.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:57:37pm

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Half my age plus 7 is the age of my truck. I’ve been doing this wrong.

I got a pair of pants older than that

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:57:40pm

re: #345 Blind Frog Belly White

For me, it’s just about to be 37. One man’s Cougar is another man’s Cradle Robbing.

BTW, if an old guy dating a young woman is “robbing the cradle”, does that mean she’s robbing the grave?

I suspect the correct word is “digging.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:57:40pm

re: #343 FormerDirtDart

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Wait, what?

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Mike Lamb  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:59:12pm

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

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Republicans will never have a moment of clarity.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:00:08pm

re: #346 makeitstop

Refreshing country music, it is. Finally, some country artists that sing about things other than trucks, alcohol, tight jeans on women and driving the tight-jeaned women in their truck out to the lake with alcohol.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:01:16pm

re: #344 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Which, for the record, I think mr. klys and I finally hit two years ago?

Monday was our 7th wedding anniversary.

As a counterpoint to all those creepy comments.

That said, I was 22 when we met, having finished undergrad and supporting my then-unemployed boyfriend while starting graduate school.

I won’t make sweeping generalizations about age gap relationships in general, but this story? That’s wrong and should be enough to take him down, full stop. I don’t necessarily believe it will be, but…

Don’t make me do any math, but Mr. w gave his age as older than actual when we met. He gets bonus points for that.

Happy anniversary.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:02:02pm

re: #345 Blind Frog Belly White

For me, it’s just about to be 37. One man’s Cougar is another man’s Cradle Robbing.

BTW, if an old guy dating a young woman is “robbing the cradle”, does that mean she’s robbing the grave?

That arrangement was institutionalized after the Civil War, when aged veterans routinely married teen-aged girls of poor prospects. The old men got end-of-life care. The girls became a series of “Last Confederate/Yankee Widows” in the 21st Century.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:02:31pm

re: #352 wrenchwench

Don’t make me do any math, but Mr. w gave his age as older than actual when we met. He gets bonus points for that.

Happy anniversary.

mr. klys was very conflicted about the whole thing when we first started dating.

We’re way over that now. Talked about having a socially acceptable party to make the date when it happened.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:03:29pm

“Who among us has not arranged to secretly meet a 14 year old girl a block from her house, taken her to a remote cabin, undressed her, groped her, and made her touch our junk?”

(raises hand)

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:03:57pm

re: #291 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

“I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn’t want to vote for Doug,” he says. “I’m not saying I support what he did.”

they dont even have the brains to say “i just wouldnt vote”

they’re saying they’d actively help the pedophile win the office

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:04:19pm
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A dark and stormy covfefe  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:05:13pm

Of all the ads to get, I get the one featuring another enthusiast of teen girls.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:05:30pm

re: #335 KGxvi

I’m approaching 40 quicker than I’d care to admit. 27 seems both very young and at the same time, not that young. Then again, 66 seems creepy as fuck.

ahem
(60 anyway)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:05:45pm

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

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A real family affair with this whole gang. Trump’s kids, Flynn’s son.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:07:13pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:08:25pm

re: #344 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Which, for the record, I think mr. klys and I finally hit two years ago?

Monday was our 7th wedding anniversary.

As a counterpoint to all those creepy comments.

That said, I was 22 when we met, having finished undergrad and supporting my then-unemployed boyfriend while starting graduate school.

I won’t make sweeping generalizations about age gap relationships in general, but this story? That’s wrong and should be enough to take him down, full stop. I don’t necessarily believe it will be, but…

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:08:59pm

It fascinated me how fast this discussion changed from a 32 year old man picking up a 14 years, and then

“Alone with Corfman, Moore chatted with her and asked for her phone number, she says. Days later, she says, he picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, drove her about 30 minutes to his home in the woods, told her how pretty she was and kissed her. On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear. “

But if everyone here wants to talk about the proper dating rule being half your age + 7 I’m sure the GOP will thank you for it.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:09:16pm

re: #358 A dark and stormy covfefe

Of all the ads to get, I get the one featuring another enthusiast of teen girls.

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hillarious

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:10:10pm

re: #360 HappyWarrior

A real family affair with this whole gang. Trump’s kids, Flynn’s son.

For a moment I thought Trump was hiring him, like he did with Eric’s wife and her brother.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:11:15pm

I confess, when I first saw the stuff on Moore this morning, I was feeling pretty good. Knock that fucker down a peg AND take a GOP seat in deepest, reddest Alabama.

Then I read the WashPost article, and it’s just depressing. Creepy, tawdry, awful. And he was 32 when she was 14.

I mean, I remember being attracted to 14 year old girls. When I was 13-16 myself. But, jesus - THIRTY TWO????

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:11:32pm

now, there’s an idea worth spreading around.
Split off some of that vote

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:11:46pm

re: #363 Skip Intro

It fascinated me how fast this discussion changed from a 32 year old man picking up a 14 years, and then

“Alone with Corfman, Moore chatted with her and asked for her phone number, she says. Days later, she says, he picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, drove her about 30 minutes to his home in the woods, told her how pretty she was and kissed her. On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear. “

But if everyone here wants to talk about the proper dating rule being half your age + 7 I’m sure the GOP will thank you for it.

OK but does he hate the same people I hate?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:12:12pm

re: #365 Skip Intro

For a moment I thought Trump was hiring him, like he did with Eric’s wife and her brother.

Don’t give him ideas.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:13:07pm

re: #366 Blind Frog Belly White

I confess, when I first saw the stuff on Moore this morning, I was feeling pretty good. Knock that fucker down a peg AND take a GOP seat in deepest, reddest Alabama.

Then I read the WashPost article, and it’s just depressing. Creepy, tawdry, awful. And he was 32 when she was 14.

I mean, I remember being attracted to 14 year old girls. When I was 13-16 myself. But, jesus - THIRTY TWO????

Although it’s completely legal and would be consentual, I’d feel uncomfortable at my current age dating a college undergrad.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:13:43pm

re: #367 FormerDirtDart

now, there’s an idea worth spreading around.
Split off some of that vote

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Run Big Luther Run!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:14:08pm

re: #238 BlueGrl21

You are not alone.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:14:21pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Run Big Luther Run!

And we thought Luther was Strange….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:14:32pm

re: #363 Skip Intro

It fascinated me how fast this discussion changed from a 32 year old man picking up a 14 years, and then

“Alone with Corfman, Moore chatted with her and asked for her phone number, she says. Days later, she says, he picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, drove her about 30 minutes to his home in the woods, told her how pretty she was and kissed her. On a second visit, she says, he took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes. He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear. “

But if everyone here wants to talk about the proper dating rule being half your age + 7 I’m sure the GOP will thank you for it.

Yeah, that’s unbelievably creepy as hell. It really needs to be teh end of him.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:14:32pm

re: #367 FormerDirtDart

now, there’s an idea worth spreading around.
Split off some of that vote

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He should do it anyway if he has any decency at all. Moore is a mad man and a pedophile, and should be kept out of the Senate by whatever means are available.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:14:43pm

re: #367 FormerDirtDart

now, there’s an idea worth spreading around.
Split off some of that vote

I’m afraid he’d win a runoff vote against Jones.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:15:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:15:40pm

re: #376 Sir John Barron

I’m afraid he’d win a runoff vote against Jones.

Is there a run-off if the candidate doesn’t get 50% of the vote?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:15:55pm

re: #375 Skip Intro

He should do it anyway if he has any decency at all. Moore is a mad man and a pedophile, and should be kept out of the Senate by whatever means are available.

Yeah he’s pretty awful even without the Wash Post article.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:16:27pm

re: #377 Ace-o-aces

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Heh that is mean, but yeah it does amaze me when I look at Miller that we’re that close in age. I’ve actually had a lot of people tell me I look younger than I am. Even got carded the other day!

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:16:32pm

re: #378 HappyWarrior

Is there a run-off if the candidate doesn’t get 50% of the vote?

I meant I think he’d win as a write-in.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:17:04pm

re: #379 Sir John Barron

Yeah he’s pretty awful even without the Wash Post article.

Yeah. As I joked earlier, we knew he was an asshole but he also had to be a creepy asshole.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:17:23pm

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Although it’s completely legal and would be consentual, I’d feel uncomfortable at my current age dating a college undergrad.

The class one year ahead of me in college was responsible for at least 3 faculty divorces. And the profs involved were not the “Dynamic Young Professor Just Starting His Career” kind of profs. We’re talking guys in their 40s and 50s.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:17:39pm

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Although it’s completely legal and would be consentual, I’d feel uncomfortable at my current age dating a college undergrad.

Me too, plus it would probably piss off the wife.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:17:46pm

re: #381 Sir John Barron

I meant I think he’d win as a write-in.

Oh I dunno. It’s different than the Murkowski situation IMO. Strange is easier to spell than Murkowski though.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:17:51pm

re: #381 Sir John Barron

I meant I think he’d win as a write-in.

I doubt it. There are plenty of “Display the Ten Commandments” type there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:18:22pm

re: #384 Skip Intro

Me too, plus it would probably piss off the wife.

That would be the most important thing heh.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:18:52pm

re: #381 Sir John Barron

I meant I think he’d win as a write-in.

I don’t want him to win, I want him to split the GOP vote so the Dem wins.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:19:19pm

re: #385 HappyWarrior

Oh I dunno. It’s different than the Murkowski situation IMO. Strange is easier to spell than Murkowski though.

Yes I wrote in “strange”.

I meant that Moore guy

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:21:13pm

re: #311 Belafon

This might sound like a strange version of optimism, but you’re seeing the cornered white supremacists, those that wear the uniform and those that don’t, fighting to hold on. They know they’re going to lose it, but they’re doing everything they can to hold on. What we’re seeing are the results of the faults in our current system that need to be fixed: gerrymandering, the EC, Citizens United. As with what happened in VA, it’s going to take all of us to fix it, but now is our time to set things up make some of those fixes.

Yes. This.

Push our faces in shit long enough and we can’t pretend it’s not there.

That means we’re going to have to put on our Big Boy Pants and fix some of the underlying systemic problems.

Only fucking thing that gets me out of the bed in the morning is this hope. Thanks for articulating it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:21:39pm

re: #389 dangerman

Yes I wrote in “strange”.

I meant that Moore guy

Ohhhhh.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:21:57pm
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A dark and stormy covfefe  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:22:12pm

re: #377 Ace-o-aces

The only person I can think of who looked worse at that age was pro-wrestler Buzz Sawyer. I also point out that he died at 32, and really, really loved recreational pharmaceuticals.

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Interesting Times  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:23:11pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:23:14pm

re: #390 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Only fucking thing that gets me out of the bed in the morning is this hope.

That could almost be a winning campaign slogan. Again.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:23:45pm

I Spent My Sunday Taking Down The Literary Darling Who Assaulted Me, And Boy Do I Feel Shaky
Read more at wonkette.com

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:23:48pm

re: #392 FormerDirtDart

C’mon. It was Obama.

/

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:23:55pm

re: #306 Ace-o-aces

Roy Moore is an original intent constitutionalist. It makes sense that he loved America the most when it was young.

— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) November 9, 2017

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:24:37pm

re: #392 FormerDirtDart

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I’m waiting for him to be Roy Moore (D) but that’d be after he loses.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:24:43pm
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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:25:20pm

Meanwhile, in California, Republicans may get shut out of the general election next year for governor and the US Senate.

GOP candidate for governor running in third place (behind Newsom and Villaraigosa, and within the margin of error of Chiang who is in 4th). Yes, you read that right, there’s a chance that the GOP won’t do better than fourth place in the open primary.

In the Senate race, the only GOP candidate finishes in third place with less than 20%.

Trump’s approval ratings out here are under the crazification factor - only 22%! (couldn’t find the party breakdown, but I’m guessing he’s under 60% among Republicans)

Cross tabs here

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:25:33pm

They’re coming.
Inter-galaxy stardrive being engaged in breaking maneuver.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:26:00pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:26:01pm

re: #385 HappyWarrior

Oh I dunno. It’s different than the Murkowski situation IMO. Strange is easier to spell than Murkowski though.

It’s very analogous — and turnout generally is very depressed in off-off year elections. The question will be voter enthusiasm — and how enthusiastic are the GOP voters in Alabama.

Of course, in Alabama, a 32 year old man involved with a teenage girl may not be a problem for the typical GOP voter. Certainly doesn’t seem to bother some of his colleagues there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:26:32pm

re: #400 jaunte

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You don’t have to be in the we, Mr. Painter. You can leave the party. You’re better off with them.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:26:41pm

Today, in the “I Can’t Even” sweepstakes, we have Breitbart pulling ahead

Oh, those hopeless, starry-eyed sex predators! What a bunch of nice, loving, tender-hearted perverts they are!
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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:26:43pm

re: #401 KGxvi

Trump’s approval ratings out here are under the crazification factor - only 22%!

Sounds high. Do better.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:26:59pm

re: #403 jaunte

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I only committed murder once, your honor!

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:27:06pm

Call ‘em out, Rick.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:27:43pm

re: #403 jaunte

“And not even that one when you allow for….”

/

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:27:54pm

re: #400 jaunte

For these nut jobs the only important thing is that the 14 year old girl not be allowed to get an abortion. Enough]

And tax cuts

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:28:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:28:10pm

re: #409 makeitstop

Call ‘em out, Rick.

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Rick, I’ll suggest the same thing I did to Richard Painter, leave the GOP. We don’t have to be ideologically in agreement but you can still be a sensible voice for right of center politics without hte GOP label.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:28:48pm

re: #406 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Today, in the “I Can’t Even” sweepstakes, we have Breitbart pulling ahead

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Hard to believe they employed Milo for so long.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:28:57pm

re: #412 FormerDirtDart

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Now one has to ask, is this damage control or is this more Moore doing something stupid? Guys, I’m beginning to think this one is winnable.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:29:18pm

… and here in I Can’t Even, a late entry by a perennial favorite, Mike Cernovich

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:29:21pm

re: #414 goddamnedfrank

Hard to believe they employed Milo for so long.

If Milo liked young women, he’d still be there.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:29:50pm

Good plan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:30:11pm

re: #416 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

… and here in I Can’t Even, a late entry by a perennial favorite, Mike Cernovich

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I haven’t tried raping, Mike because I don’t rape. I’d suggest you do every woman in your radius a favor and castrate yourself.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:30:41pm

re: #418 jaunte

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Good plan.

Discovery will be a bitch to the Moores.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:31:05pm

re: #408 HappyWarrior

I only committed murder once, your honor!

…and now I’m an orphan…..

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:31:06pm

Grift never sleeps.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:31:50pm

re: #422 jaunte

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Grift never sleeps.

The forces of evil! Aka the people who dare point out that I’m a scumbag hypocrite fraud.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:32:08pm

re: #422 jaunte

Grift never sleeps.

Always Be Grifting

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:34:36pm

re: #422 jaunte

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:35:11pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:37:25pm

There it is. Sean Hannity will spend his hour on television tonight talking about Slick Willy.

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meteor  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:37:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:38:29pm

re: #427 teleskiguy

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There it is. Sean Hannity will spend his hour on television tonight talking about Slick Willy.

You know, maybe it’s just naivete but I wonder if there’ll ever be a point when Lumpy’s viewers go “Goddamn just shut up about the Clintons, Sean.” But then again, I concede I’m being idealistic here.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:39:30pm

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Rick, I’ll suggest the same thing I did to Richard Painter, leave the GOP. We don’t have to be ideologically in agreement but you can still be a sensible voice for right of center politics without hte GOP label.

Maybe we should start a GoFundMe to build a new party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:40:42pm

re: #418 jaunte

Yeah, bullshit. The Post reported what they were told, not by anonymous sources, but by women who were identified. It quoted them. You can dambetcha the Post has their sources on tape.

Plus, Moore is a Public Figure. So the Moore’s can go pound sand.

Yeah, I know - this is intended to fool the rubes. And Mrs. Moore probably knows the truth, since she’s 14 years younger than he is.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:40:53pm

re: #429 HappyWarrior

I don’t know how anyone can stand watching him no matter what the topic is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:41:46pm

re: #432 Skip Intro

I don’t know how anyone can stand watching him no matter what the topic is.

Me neither.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:42:21pm

re: #420 HappyWarrior

Discovery will be a bitch to the Moores.

That’s usually what happens. They scream & yell, and then their lawyers take them into the conference room and start game-planning out the questioning they’re about to undergo. Where their sexual history is now open to inquiry.

Under oath.

That’s about the time these fucks scuttle away.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:44:11pm

re: #429 HappyWarrior

You know, maybe it’s just naivete but I wonder if there’ll ever be a point when Lumpy’s viewers go “Goddamn just shut up about the Clintons, Sean.” But then again, I concede I’m being idealistic here.

Only when the ratings go down.

It’s all about the ratings, because ratings = $$, and at Fox, that’s all that matters.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:44:34pm

re: #428 meteor

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That always reminds me of my younger brother. He is not a parakeet, he had parakeets.

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Jay C  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:44:56pm

re: #425 FormerDirtDart

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I recognize Ted Cruz and Rand Paul (aka The Senate Popularity Kings) in Moore’s endorsement mailing, but whose grinning mug is that at right?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:45:00pm

re: #434 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

That’s usually what happens. They scream & yell, and then their lawyers take them into the conference room and start game-planning out the questioning they’re about to undergo. Where their sexual history is now open to inquiry.

Under oath.

That’s about the time these fucks scuttle away.

Oh, I’m pretty sure that in the unlikely event that they actually DO file a lawsuit, it will be unceremoniously dropped on 14 December, win or lose.

More likely they won’t even file suit. This is all done for the rubes.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:45:12pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:46:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:46:57pm

Man, Hollywood’s a terrible plsce. What’s this? This happened in Alabama. Well you know the Bible says…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:49:21pm

re: #440 FormerDirtDart

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You know, at a certain point, the specificity of their thinking gives you a real view into their souls.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:52:00pm

re: #400 jaunte

With Trump, Roy Moore and the Alabama State Auditor we are now the Grand Old Pervert party.

— Richard W. Painter (@RWPUSA) November 9, 2017

For these nut jobs the only important thing is that the 14 year old girl not be allowed to get an abortion. Enough!

— Richard W. Painter (@RWPUSA) November 9, 2017

Nah, if they’re the ones who knock up an underaged girl, an abortion on the downlow is guaranteed.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:55:31pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:57:49pm

re: #431 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, I know - this is intended to fool the rubes. And Mrs. Moore probably knows the truth, since she’s 14 years younger than he is.

She sounds old. Sad. I’m on my third marriage, getting a younger one each time. Winning.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2017 • 2:58:14pm

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:00:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:01:07pm

re: #447 FormerDirtDart

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Very well then.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:01:40pm

re: #3 KGxvi

I wouldn’t be comfortable being left alone with Roy Moore, why would I leave anyone else alone with him?

Ouch!! Sadly, I don’t think these allegations will impact Moore’s candidacy. He was up 8 points in the last poll I saw. I’m happy that Jones is giving Alabamians someone else to vote for though.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:03:04pm

re: #446 goddamnedfrank

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:05:23pm

john oliver Rock bottom

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Jay C  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:07:15pm

re: #447 FormerDirtDart

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Gee, nice to see the Republicans (at least in Alabama) are still the party of “values”…
Of course, it will probably be unremarked that their main “value” is “Party over everything”… country, morality, decency, etc…..

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:08:06pm
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plansbandc  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:11:06pm

I’m reading more than a few “but lots of men like to masturbate in front of women” defenses of Louis C.K. No. Just no. What he likes to do is NOT consensual. He gets off on the discomfort of the women. It’s disgusting.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:12:29pm
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BlueGrl21  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:12:53pm

re: #353 Decatur Deb

That arrangement was institutionalized after the Civil War, when aged veterans routinely married teen-aged girls of poor prospects. The old men got end-of-life care. The girls became a series of “Last Confederate/Yankee Widows” in the 21st Century.

That’s how my great-grandmother ended up with a 60 year-old father when she was born. Civil War veteran.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:14:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:14:40pm

re: #453 FormerDirtDart

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Get rid of caucuses and then maybe I’ll consider open primaries but they’re ignoring that the dnc doesn’t make those rules, the states do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:15:13pm

Turner is an ass.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:15:53pm

re: #457 teleskiguy

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I hate agreeing with Jonah.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:16:27pm

re: #449 Patricia Kayden

Ouch!! Sadly, I don’t think these allegations will impact Moore’s candidacy. He was up 8 points in the last poll I saw. I’m happy that Jones is giving Alabamians someone else to vote for though.

Oh, I think they’ll impact it. But I’m not sure it’ll be enough to knock him out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:17:07pm

re: #457 teleskiguy

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Whoa.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:20:14pm

re: #457 teleskiguy

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Interesting Times  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:21:27pm

Amazing how this feels like old news already…but the point is pretty timeless in this political climate:

Facebook Post

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:21:53pm

re: #460 HappyWarrior

I hate agreeing with Jonah.

He still feels the need to ground his reaction in patriarchal terms. Being father to a daughter is the only rationale he can articulate for feeling that young girls shouldn’t be victimized. This is a mental framework that conservative men almost always fall into, the idea that any empathy for women they might have stems from their familial relationships to other women instead of the inherent equality and rights women possess on their own.

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prairiefire  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:24:27pm

Sleeve old perverts, blech!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:25:04pm

re: #465 goddamnedfrank

He still feels the need to ground his reaction in patriarchal terms. Being father to a daughter is the only rationale he can articulate for feeling that young girls shouldn’t be victimized. This is a mental framework that conservative men almost always fall into, the idea that any empathy for women they might have stems from their familial relationships to other women instead of the inherent equality and rights women possess on their own.

Absolutely.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:36:29pm

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s a good chance this smarmy fucker could still get elected.

Heh. I read your comment as get electrocuted.

As in The Chair.

But here is a truth a guy like Moore will understand. If Roy was a Black man in 1930 Alabama and he was accused of this…he would stand a good chance of being grabbed by an angry mob and end up swinging from a tree.

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:36:49pm

re: #465 goddamnedfrank

If Jonah lived in Alabama he’d be voting for Moore.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:40:49pm

re: #457 teleskiguy

471
Weaselone  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:41:38pm

re: #400 jaunte

It’s Greedy Old Pedophiles.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:43:43pm

32-year-old men don’t date 14-year-olds.

473
Patricia Kayden  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:49:23pm

re: #202 calochortus

Freepers are outraged-at Mitch McConnell. Seriously.

You thought they would be outraged at Moore?

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:51:48pm

re: #468 ObserverArt

Heh. I read your comment as get electrocuted.

As in The Chair.

But here is a truth a guy like Moore will understand. If Roy was a Black man in 1930 Alabama and he was accused of this…he would stand a good chance of being grabbed by an angry mob and end up swinging from a tree.

Strange fruit, indeed.

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fern01  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:53:06pm

re: #422 jaunte

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Grift never sleeps.

Nor does attacking the black guy & the lady - it is the “Obama/Clinton” machine that is doing this to Roy Moore - despite neither have anything to do with the story - nor have they any role in the US government/congress.

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sagehen  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:53:56pm

re: #457 teleskiguy

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I wonder if that’s the same John Kluge I knew in college. (he went to Pitzer. His father owned Metromedia, became a billionaire when he sold the TV & radio stations to Rupert Murdoch. Kluge dad was at one time the richest American.)

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:31:03pm

re: #451 Blind Frog Belly White

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YouTube

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:35:26pm

re: #472 Ace Rothstein

32-year-old men don’t date 14-year-olds.

nope
it’s not “romance”
not in any way, shape, or form


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