The Pale Blue Dot

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The Pale Blue Dot was made as a tribute to Carl Sagan as the final project for the Animation 01 course at Ringling College of Art and Design.

Created during the Fall 2017, this film was a collaborative effort by the entire Motion Design class of 2020.

Created by (in order of appearance):
Kyle Snider
Brianna D’Amico
Kim Nguyen
Doug Alberts
Ian Grier
Tamara Marshall
Alex Miller
Jingyun Zhou
Evan Wyatt
Angelica Fernandez
Elliot Stein
Noah Selbitschka
Daniel Salaverri
Anissa Rodriguez
Zac Miller
Mitchy Morita
John Gnieski
Dan Cantelm
Kenyon Bertelsen
Emoni Poole
Lauren Cash
Samuel Kim
Stephen Moore
Ioana Oprescu
Tyler Abrams
Morgan Allison
Gizem Atalay
Sophia Holland
Skylar Martinez
Jerry Jaimes
Beatriz Lima
Keegan Strype
Jackson Dunson
Selena Joe
Hae Ri Cho
Lauren Antoine
Zach Hartman

Instructor: Joe Donaldson
Music and Sound Design: Kelly Warner

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270 comments

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:16:30pm
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Belafon  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:20:51pm

Copied from previous thread:

For all of you who get all wigged out when we make jokes about nuclear war, I will tell you this: You will either joke about it or blow your brains out. I only lived through it in the 70s and 80s, but most of us aren’t designed to take stressful situations and go “Well, I’m glad that’s over. Time for work” every day.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:21:03pm

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

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Smart man; if the world is about to end, might as well get one last good meal in.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:21:17pm

Has anyone speculated that Trump was hoping the threat was real?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:22:32pm

re: #2 Belafon

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:22:58pm

re: #2 Belafon

Copied from previous thread:

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For all of you who get all wigged out when we make jokes about nuclear war, I will tell you this: You will either joke about it or blow your brains out. I only lived through it in the 70s and 80s, but most of us aren’t designed to take stressful situations and go “Well, I’m glad that’s over. Time for work.”

Old enough to remember how living under the threat of nuclear annihilation at any moment was normal.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:23:19pm

re: #4 Belafon

I don’t. I think he would find a nuclear war to be really inconvenient.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:25:15pm

re: #7 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I don’t. I think he would find a nuclear war to be really inconvenient.

But was he thinking it would be inconvenient this morning? Since it was Hawaii, it could have been his Pearl Harbor.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:26:32pm

re: #8 Belafon

It would sort of get Meuller off his back.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:36:27pm

re: #2 Belafon

Copied from previous thread:

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For all of you who get all wigged out when we make jokes about nuclear war, I will tell you this: You will either joke about it or blow your brains out. I only lived through it in the 70s and 80s, but most of us aren’t designed to take stressful situations and go “Well, I’m glad that’s over. Time for work” every day.

I said earlier, I will be the one gazing out the window waiting.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:37:41pm

Finished the Letterman/Obama interview.

So good.

Watch for a piece of sanity.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:48:28pm
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Kragar  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:53:34pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:54:34pm

re: #2 Belafon

Copied from previous thread:

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For all of you who get all wigged out when we make jokes about nuclear war, I will tell you this: You will either joke about it or blow your brains out. I only lived through it in the 70s and 80s, but most of us aren’t designed to take stressful situations and go “Well, I’m glad that’s over. Time for work” every day.

So we almost had an episode of Hawaii Fry-Oh…

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TedStriker  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:59:53pm

re: #14 Joe Bacon 🌹

So we almost had an episode of Hawaii Fry-Oh…

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:01:44pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:02:43pm

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TedStriker  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:05:05pm

re: #17 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Yeah, that pretty much sums Trump up.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:05:48pm

re: #18 TedStriker

Yeah, that pretty much sums Trump up.

We still have to deal with Mr. Shithead for the next 3 years and 7 days…

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meteor  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:09:32pm

re: #19 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not if Mr. Mueller has anything to say about it.

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Kragar  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:23:05pm
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makeitstop  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:58:36pm

I got the news this evening that another old friend has passed. Sound engineer, part of the Deep Purple-Rainbow-Bon Jovi crew for years who killed time between tours hanging out with us locals. Could drink us all under the table, told the dirtiest jokes, would give you the shirt off his back if you needed it.

These guys were my crew, my boys. Time is coming for us one by one. Mortality sucks. Rest in peace, Timmy. The world will be a quieter place without you.

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austin_blue  Jan 13, 2018 • 11:05:05pm

Sagan was right. We’ve only got one homeworld and not treating it with care and respect is shitting in our own nest.

Sadly, this conflicts with capitalism which dictates getting money NOW and maximizing shareholder value, and to hell with the consequences and the people affected.

This is the fundamental conflict of this century. We either establish a balance, or we commit suicide.

That’s a comforting post, isn’t it?

I’m off to bed. Sweet dreams, all.

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fern01  Jan 13, 2018 • 11:22:58pm

Don’t know what was in that last thread - but it ran my processor at 60% - I didn’t stay long.

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Kragar  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:14:49am
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Kragar  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:49:05am
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freetoken  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:56:05am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 14, 2018 • 2:07:48am

Be careful out there, folks!

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Kragar  Jan 14, 2018 • 2:19:03am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 14, 2018 • 2:30:02am

re: #29 Kragar

Vic is under the misapprehension that Trump knows anything besides what he sees or hears at that particular moment. If that sign even made an impression on him when he say it originally, Trump promptly forgot about it.

I doubt Trump can make any sort of causal connections between item A and item B.

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Alyosha  Jan 14, 2018 • 3:34:37am

*Me, trying so hard to adopt the ironic tone of some funny leftist wankers use so as to project a virtue-signal that describes every millimetre of my misogynistic insecurity*

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wheat-dogg  Jan 14, 2018 • 3:48:02am

Speaking of messages, I wonder how superstitious Trump is.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:03:03am

It is awake:

or someone else is tweeting on its behalf.

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Targetpractice  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:05:58am

re: #33 wheat-dogg

It is awake:

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or someone else is tweeting on its behalf.

He’s recording conversations with reporters. Yeah, there’s absolutely nothing fascistic about that…

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wheat-dogg  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:09:40am

It finished its thought.

Took three minutes.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:11:20am

re: #35 wheat-dogg

It finished its thought.

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He’s such a whiny baby.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:14:08am

No one outside him has denied what was said. In fact, he was loving it because he saw his stupid supporters response.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:17:30am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

He’s such a whiny baby.

Has it even commented on the whole Hawai’i thing yet?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:18:02am

re: #38 wheat-dogg

Has it even commented on the whole Hawai’i thing yet?

Not from what I’ve seen.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:19:15am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Not from what I’ve seen.

Not like it’s important that an entire state was on red alert for 40 minutes …

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:23:10am

re: #40 wheat-dogg

Not like it’s important that an entire state was on red alert for 40 minutes …

What is important that the media talked critically about him.// But yeah he really is unhinged.

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Targetpractice  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:29:06am

So if Donny has a recording of the conversation and can prove he didn’t say what was reported, why not release it publicly and prove such?

There’s two likely answers: A) He’s lying about recording the conversation and is simply trying to intimidate the WSJ or B) He’s lying his ass off about what was said because he knows his loyal lapdogs in the media will buy that shit.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:31:34am

re: #42 Targetpractice

I think it is A but with Trump you never know what is going on in his “brain.”

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Targetpractice  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:48:45am

re: #43 PhillyPretzel

I think it is A but with Trump you never know what is going on in his “brain.”

Oh, I suspect that this was another outburst that has some on his legal staff shaking their heads. If you’re keeping recordings of conversations going on in the WH, the last fucking thing you want to do is advertise that fact publicly to Bob Mueller.

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makeitstop  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:54:21am
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Targetpractice  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:55:06am

re: #45 makeitstop

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William Lewis  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:55:13am

Jesus H. Someone stole the bottom of my thermometer and it’s reading -24F. Be interesting to see if my truck starts for church in ~hour…

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:56:55am

re: #17 Joe Bacon 🌹

That needs to be a viral tweet. Perfectly explains how and why we know 45 is a stone cold racist. I still hear people trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and I can’t imagine why they can’t just state the truth which is that we have a White Supremacist in the White House and he has no problem espousing his racist views in public.

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makeitstop  Jan 14, 2018 • 5:57:34am

Audio sounds edited.

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makeitstop  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:01:09am

Also, this…

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:02:06am

re: #32 wheat-dogg

Speaking of messages, I wonder how superstitious Trump is.

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We know Trump is paranoid about being poisoned (which is supposedly why he only eats McDonalds and junk food) so perhaps he’s also paranoid about Voodoo. LOL.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:03:14am

re: #51 Patricia Kayden

We should be that fortunate.

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Targetpractice  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:04:02am

re: #50 makeitstop

Also, this…

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And you can pretty clearly hear in both that he says “I” and not “I’d”. So he hasn’t caught the WSJ in a lie, but instead just shown to Mueller that he has audio recordings of conversations held in the White House.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:06:11am

re: #53 Targetpractice

In a way it is good he does not know who Sun Tzu is. Probably still thinks it is a Chinese restaurant.

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jeffreyw  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:17:52am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Targetpractice  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:23:24am

“We want copies all conversations recorded in the White House since Jan 2017…”

“We don’t keep audio recordings of conversations held in the White House.”

*Produces SHS tweet* “Try again.”

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I cannot.  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:26:30am

re: #56 Targetpractice

I know its been said many times already, but they’re doing a speedrun of Watergate.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:28:44am

re: #57 I cannot.

Except that Nixon had a brain. As to Trump that is still being debated.

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ObserverArt  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:35:04am

re: #50 makeitstop

Also, this…

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I think when he says “I have relationships with people. I think you people are surprised” clears it all up.

He did say “I have” instead of “I’d have” because if he could have a good relationship with Kim Jong Un there would be no surprise to those he is addressing.

The surprise is he claims he does have a good relationship with the North Korean leader.

Also I think he is fooled thinking China and Japan have great relationships with him. They, like everyone, probably think he is a dangerous, unpredictable assclown and they step lightly around him and please him because that is how you control him.

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:35:11am

good morning one and all
i have an aunt-in-law who’s a cool older lady - probably in her mid 80’s
apparently she used to work for or volunteer at the Monroe County Public Library in Stroudsburg PA.

last few years at holiday time she’s sent us a slew of old books. not haphazardly - she’s thoughtful, topical and has send some really interesting stuff.

i just got this:

It’s copyrighted 1964-1990

ive seen many of these kinds of compilations before -
this one virtually every recipe has a name that’s a pun so i’m in heaven
there’s
“The Ladle and the Tramp” soup
“Great Spinach Balls of Fire”
“The taming of the slaw”
and on and on

i havent read it all yet
and i just tripped over this friendship recipe just buried among “The girl, the gold squash and everything” and “George Squashington slept here” casserole

It’s the Friendship Recipe:

now go and have a remarkable day
then later on, remark on it

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Targetpractice  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:37:55am

And the most damning thing about it is Trump didn’t pull this shit to prove another world leader had lied about a diplomatic meeting or to correct some major misunderstanding. He did it just to prove his dominance over the WSJ. And even that was a complete flop because both his and their recordings of the conversation prove he lied.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:38:48am

When Trump falls. It’s going to be ugly.

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ObserverArt  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:42:01am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

When Trump falls. It’s going to be ugly.

One thing for sure…Nixon didn’t have a whole pack of rabid wingnuts and a TV news network that backed him at every turn. And there were not all the damn guns. And social media wars…

Ugh. Not good.

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Targetpractice  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:42:58am

re: #57 I cannot.

I know its been said many times already, but they’re doing a speedrun of Watergate.

I prefer the name John Oliver gave it: “Stupid Watergate,” because that is what it is. While Bob Mueller is a great investigator, we’re further along than we really should be for no other reason than Trump and his cabal are a bunch of fucking morons. And I think that is what scares the ever-loving shit out of the GOP, that decades of work rigging the system and putting their thumb on the scale will be blown up by a buffoon who cannot let a day go by without trying to prove to the world that he has a small dick.

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nines09  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:43:34am

Good morning.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:45:43am

re: #65 nines09

That was good. That dog really got into that music.

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Jay C  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:47:16am

re: #61 Targetpractice

And the most damning thing about it is Trump didn’t pull this shit to prove another world leader had lied about a diplomatic meeting or to correct some major misunderstanding. He did it just to prove his dominance over the WSJ. And even that was a complete flop because both his and their recordings of the conversation prove he lied.

Yep: and the downside of The Yam’s blithering about “recordings” is that if there ARE records of WH conversations with reporters, rather than “keeping the journalists honest” - releasing them will more likely than not simply contradict Trump’s account, and point him out (even more) as the liar and/or bullshitter he is.

Geez: I’m old enough to recall when a “credibility gap” was considered a significant negative factor for a POTUS: Trump not only started his Administration with a credibility gap the size of the Grand Canyon, but has kept on digging it deeper, and built a White House Annex at the bottom of it…..

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:47:31am

Lumpy hot cereal with real butter and brown sugar for breffist on this cold winter day. Apparently I haven’t used my brown sugar in a while, I had to nuke and and soften it up.

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ObserverArt  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:49:51am

re: #65 nines09

Good morning.

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Saw that yesterday. Funny as h*ck. I like how he sits up oh his hind legs before the head bobbing starts.

The other dog scampers off like this is not normal, I gotta scoot.

And the little boy dancer in #25 above was pretty fun too. That kid has a future.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:49:55am

Don’t forget your vitamin D!

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William Lewis  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:50:16am

Nope. No joy. It’s still -13F & the truck will rumble for a second or two but just won’t keep running. So no church this weekend. I’ll wait and see how things warm up later and try again then. Everyone else staying warm?

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:51:42am

re: #71 William Lewis

Not that cold in Philly but cold enough.
forecast.weather.gov

sorry about that I forgot to put in the link.

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ObserverArt  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:52:17am

re: #68 Shropshire Slasher

Lumpy hot cereal with real butter and brown sugar for breffist on this cold winter day. Apparently I haven’t used my brown sugar in a while, I had to nuke and and soften it up.

Stick a piece of bread in the container or bag. Later today that brown sugar will be soft.

I just did it in some of mine this morning.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:53:21am

re: #73 ObserverArt

That’s a great idea, thanks. I also forget, I drizzle heavy cream on top of the hot cereal for it to cool. Heavy cream is amazing in coffee.

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ObserverArt  Jan 14, 2018 • 6:54:10am

re: #71 William Lewis

Nope. No joy. It’s still -13F & the truck will rumble for a second or two but just won’t keep running. So no church this weekend. I’ll wait and see how things warm up later and try again then. Everyone else staying warm?

1° here in Columbus. At least it is not windy.

They claim another 1-3” of snow tomorrow.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:00:17am

re: #63 ObserverArt

One thing for sure…Nixon didn’t have a whole pack of rabid wingnuts and a TV news network that backed him at every turn. And there were not all the damn guns. And social media wars…

Ugh. Not good.

Not to mention those rabid wingnuts who have already publicly made death threats toward congressmen, judges and media members if Trump is removed from office. If Trump finds himself in a completely untenable position I have no doubt whatsoever that he would give those individuals the green light to start shooting.

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:15:50am

re: #28 wheat-dogg

Be careful out there, folks!

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I hadda lookup 1and 3

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:20:26am

re: #57 I cannot.

I know its been said many times already, but they’re doing a speedrun of Watergate.

And more incompetently

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:24:37am

re: #64 Targetpractice

I prefer the name John Oliver gave it: “Stupid Watergate,” because that is what it is. While Bob Mueller is a great investigator, we’re further along than we really should be for no other reason than Trump and his cabal are a bunch of fucking morons. And I think that is what scares the ever-loving shit out of the GOP, that decades of work rigging the system and putting their thumb on the scale will be blown up by a buffoon who cannot let a day go by without trying to prove to the world that he has a small dick.

Tough
They picked him

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:26:05am

re: #65 nines09

Good morning.

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Headbanger!

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:28:42am

re: #71 William Lewis

Nope. No joy. It’s still -13F & the truck will rumble for a second or two but just won’t keep running. So no church this weekend. I’ll wait and see how things warm up later and try again then. Everyone else staying warm?

There’s a new prayer you can try up at
re: #60 dangerman

I hear it works from anywhere

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:30:04am

re: #75 ObserverArt

1° here in Columbus. At least it is not windy.

They claim another 1-3” of snow tomorrow.

“Only” 51 here in sofla

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:33:48am

re: #75 ObserverArt

1° here in Columbus. At least it is not windy.

They claim another 1-3” of snow tomorrow.

was zero here at dawn…bathtub drain is frozen again.

sigh.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:37:00am

re: #71 William Lewis

Nope. No joy. It’s still -13F & the truck will rumble for a second or two but just won’t keep running. So no church this weekend. I’ll wait and see how things warm up later and try again then. Everyone else staying warm?

You can try 0W-30 weight motor oil at the next oil change. The lower viscosity may help on really cold startups.

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makeitstop  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:40:21am

Now three Trump cultists in the room at the time are using the ‘I don’t recall’ dodge.

Cowards. I say lets get everybody in that meeting on the record.

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mmmirele  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:43:30am

This made me laugh:

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:50:53am

re: #86 mmmirele

He forgot David Weber. Honor Stephanie Alexander-Harrington is technically considered Eurasian. White father and Asian mother.

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:53:06am

From “the snowman” a Harry Hole novel:

So if something looks like integrity, then it’s integrity?
If people feel they’re given the truth, they’re satisfied

Sound like any group of say 32%?

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Interesting Times  Jan 14, 2018 • 7:56:16am

To be filled under…

YOU KNEW HE WAS A SNAKE WHEN YOU TOOK HIM IN!!!

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:07:26am

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

was zero here at dawn…bathtub drain is frozen again.

sigh.

Here in NW PA it was zero when I got up around 7:30. Is now showing 2F, so a warm up underway.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:07:51am
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Interesting Times  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:08:58am

re: #91 Dr. Matt

So broken it no longer shows up - what did erick-son-of-erick’s tweet say?

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Dr. Matt  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:09:51am

re: #92 Interesting Times

So broken it no longer shows up - what did erick-son-of-erick’s tweet say?

I added it. Sorry. Refresh my comment.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:10:08am

re: #92 Interesting Times

So broken it no longer shows up - what did erick-son-of-erick’s tweet say?

“It’s weird that people in the room don’t remember Trump using that word when Trump himself was calling friends to brag about it afterwards. I spoke to one of those friends. The President thought it would play well with the base.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:10:43am

re: #20 meteor

Not if Mr. Mueller has anything to say about it.

That’s the thing. I think it’ll go like this:

Mueller: Trump is basically a Kremlin agent.

GOP: Yawn.

They won’t do a damn thing about it. In fact, the Republicans on the committee looking into this will say there was no “there” there, in spite of all the evidence.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:13:25am

Perdue is on This Week dodging it. George, CALL HIM A LIAR!!!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:20:42am

re: #65 nines09

Good morning.

[Embedded content]

This story is even better than that video shows. The dog is actually deaf and can feel the music. Albeit the Nirvana part is edited in. But still great.

PSM: Dog Feelin’ the Blues

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:21:46am

re: #95 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s the thing. I think it’ll go like this:

Mueller: Trump is basically a Kremlin agent.

GOP: Yawn.

They won’t do a damn thing about it. In fact, the Republicans on the committee looking into this will say there was no “there” there, in spite of all the evidence.

Hopefully this November, Congress will flip so that Democrats will be in a position to do something about Mueller’s investigation. Trump isn’t popular enough to walk away unscathed from any negative findings.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:23:47am

re: #91 Dr. Matt

So even Erick the Erickson knows that Trump is a liar. Cotton and Perdue are liars too.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:27:08am

re: #98 Patricia Kayden

Hopefully this November, Congress will flip so that Democrats will be in a position to do something about Mueller’s investigation. Trump isn’t popular enough to walk away unscathed from any negative findings.

“Witch hunt! All my supporters should start shooting!”

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BeachDem  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:30:08am

re: #99 Patricia Kayden

So even Erick the Erickson knows that Trump is a liar. Cotton and Perdue are liars too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:33:22am

re: #99 Patricia Kayden

So even Erick the Erickson knows that Trump is a liar. Cotton and Perdue are liars too.

Won’t stop him from supporting him however.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:34:12am

The Trump Administration is Watergate on meth.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:35:20am

re: #89 Interesting Times

To be filled under…

[Embedded content]

YOU KNEW HE WAS A SNAKE WHEN YOU TOOK HIM IN!!!

Typical Trump supporters in that case. They’re fine with him insulting others but they’re furious when he goes after them. Mia and her parents knew who Trump was.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:35:54am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

When Trump falls. It’s going to be ugly.

It’s already ugly. REAL ugly. Like, “President had an affair with a porn star and paid her off to shut up about it and nobody seems to care” ugly.

But, yeah. He won’t go gentle into that good night.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:37:25am

re: #105 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s already ugly. REAL ugly. Like, “President had an affair with a porn star and paid her off to shut up about it and nobody seems to care” ugly.

But, yeah. He won’t go gentle into that good night.

Yep.

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Jay C  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:40:42am

re: #98 Patricia Kayden

Hopefully this November, Congress will flip so that Democrats will be in a position to do something about Mueller’s investigation. Trump isn’t popular enough to walk away unscathed from any negative findings.

Well, not to be too much of a downer on a sunny (if chilly) Sunday morning, but even assuming a “blue wave” in November, the prospects for the government (and the country) still aren’t that great*. On a practical level, the most optimistic scenario likely for Congress is a “flip” to the Democrats: but one without a large-enough majority to seriously do much. And given that Donald Trump has already indicated that he only views “legitimate” elections as those he wins, I’m guessing that a President Trump** and the GOP, faced with an “opposition” 116th Congress are going to indulge in a campaign of scorched-earth obstructionism, obsessive veto-mongering, and Executive-Branch diktat that will make the 115th seem like the Era Of Good Feelings in retrospect. And of course, blaming the Democrats (Obama, Hillary, Fake News, etc…) for any and all problems. Fun times ahead.

*and won’t be until the Republicans are reduced - a la California - to a powerless minority.

** A President Pence might be another matter….

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:41:09am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Not furious enough to not vote for him… again, I bet.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:42:00am

Rich Lowry is such a smug fucker.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:42:18am

re: #108 GlutenFreeJesus

Not furious enough to not vote for him… again, I bet.

Yep that too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:42:49am

re: #109 Ace Rothstein

Rich Lowry is such a smug fucker.

He works at NRO, that’s a prerequisite going back to the WFB days.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:43:28am

re: #107 Jay C

Well, not to be too much of a downer on a sunny (if chilly) Sunday morning, but even assuming a “blue wave” in November, the prospects for the government (and the country) still aren’t that great*. On a practical level, the most optimistic scenario likely for Congress is a “flip” to the Democrats: but one without a large-enough majority to seriously do much. And given that Donald Trump has already indicated that he only views “legitimate” elections as those he wins, I’m guessing that a President Trump* and the GOP, faced with an “opposition” 116th Congress are going to indulge in a campaign of scorched-earth obstructionism, obsessive veto-mongering, and Executive-Branch diktat that will make the 115th seem like the Era Of Good Feelings in retrospect. And of course, blaming the Democrats (Obama, Hillary, Fake News, etc…) for any and all problems. Fun times ahead.

*and won’t be until the Republicans are reduced - a la California - to a powerless minority.

It didn’t take one year to create this problem and it won’t take one year to fix it. I am both positive we can repair this, and pragmatic enough to know that it won’t happen in one election.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:45:06am

So, today I learned that apparently there’s a serial killer on the loose in Kasur, eastern Punjab, Pakistan.

Police in Pakistan are stepping up a manhunt for a possible serial killer after an eight-year-old girl was found raped and murdered in Kasur, eastern Punjab, sparking widespread protests.

Government spokesperson Malik Ahmad Khan said authorities were searching for a suspect who kidnaps and kills young girls after Zainab Ansari’s body was found on Tuesday.

It comes after police revealed at least 10 similar cases had rocked the city since January 2017.

Investigators now say they have found traces of the same DNA on six of the girls, including Zainab, according to a police document seen by the BBC.

All of the girls, who lived within a 3km radius, went missing from near their homes and were dumped on rubbish sites or in abandoned houses nearby.

independent.co.uk

This most recent murder happened a few days ago - a manhunt is underway for the suspect.

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I cannot.  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:45:34am

re: #87 PhillyPretzel

Also, the ruling family of the Star Empire of Manticore is black…and the second-most powerful nation is ruled from Nouveau Paris…and the distant-third most powerful is Space-‘Murica

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:46:35am

re: #64 Targetpractice

I prefer the name John Oliver gave it: “Stupid Watergate,” because that is what it is. While Bob Mueller is a great investigator, we’re further along than we really should be for no other reason than Trump and his cabal are a bunch of fucking morons. And I think that is what scares the ever-loving shit out of the GOP, that decades of work rigging the system and putting their thumb on the scale will be blown up by a buffoon who cannot let a day go by without trying to prove to the world that he has a small dick.

As John Oliver also said, “Look up. You see that place, way, way up there above us? That’s rock bottom.”

My fear is that the GOP really has gone all in on Trump, not cynically, but because he’s shown them a magical way to stay in power - not giving a shit.

Bald-faced lie? Don’t give a shit.

Embarrassing revelation? Don’t give a shit.

Rampant corruption? Don’t give a shit.

Hypocrisy of the highest order? Don’t give a shit.

This has allowed them to steal a Supreme Court seat, to increasingly pack the Judiciary, and to line the pockets of their donors with tax cuts. Trump has taught them that they can do whatever they want, because they might just get away with it, and if they don’t, America is so forgetful that even if they get chucked out, they’ll be back in in just a few years, because a lot of voters STILL think both sides are the same.

Obama worked REALLY, REALLY HARD to try and reach bipartisan deals he was doomed to never reach, because the GOP had already decided never to let him win. Everyone said you can’t win on nothing but obstruction, nothing but saying “No!” but they did. Everyone said you can’t win by going full racist, but they did.

That’s my fear. That they really love Trump because he proved to them that they could get everything they want by simply doing whatever they please.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:47:46am

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

As John Oliver also said, “Look up. You see that place, way, way up there above us? That’s rock bottom.”

My fear is that the GOP really has gone all in on Trump, not cynically, but because he’s shown them a magical way to stay in power - not giving a shit.

Bald-faced lie? Don’t give a shit.

Embarrassing revelation? Don’t give a shit.

Rampant corruption? Don’t give a shit.

Hypocrisy of the highest order? Don’t give a shit.

This has allowed them to steal a Supreme Court seat, to increasingly pack the Judiciary, and to line the pockets of their donors with tax cuts. Trump has taught them that they can do whatever they want, because they might just get away with it, and if they don’t, America is so forgetful that even if they get chucked out, they’ll be back in in just a few years, because a lot of voters STILL think both sides are the same.

Obama worked REALLY, REALLY HARD to try and reach bipartisan deals he was doomed to never reach, because the GOP had already decided never to let him win. Everyone said you can’t win on nothing but obstruction, nothing but saying “No!” but they did. Everyone said you can’t win by going full racist, but they did.

That’s my fear. That they really love Trump because he proved to them that they could get everything they want by simply doing whatever they please.

The base still loves him after all.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:48:20am

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

And, yet, they couldn’t win Alabama.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:52:44am

re: #86 mmmirele

This made me laugh:

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Huh. I’ve read and enjoyed a lot of Heinlein, and Joe Haldeman is my favorite writer. Maybe I need to read some of those others, too.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:52:48am

re: #95 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s the thing. I think it’ll go like this:

Mueller: Trump is basically a Kremlin agent.

GOP: Yawn.

They won’t do a damn thing about it. In fact, the Republicans on the committee looking into this will say there was no “there” there, in spite of all the evidence.

The GOP base is totally fine with Putin. When once again I challenged my brother on Trump’s fondness for Putin, he said that no one cares. There is no reasoning with them but Hillary!! and Uranium 1 !! and Benghazi!! and Seth Rich !! and Mueller’s team is corrupt!!

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:53:15am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:54:14am

re: #120 FormerDirtDart

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JFC.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:55:08am

re: #117 Belafon

And, yet, they couldn’t win Alabama.

They lost by 1.5% with a pedophile as their standard bearer. Yes, it was a fabulous, unexpected victory for us, but the fact that it was even close, with Roy “Get ‘Em While They’re Young” Moore is alarming.

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Jay C  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:55:16am

re: #116 HappyWarrior

The base still loves him after all.

And that base is, what? At best, about a third of the electorate? Admittedly, it’s a hard-core, immovably prejudiced and reflexively partisan third (who leverage their minority status by reliably bloc-voting in large numbers every election): but a minority still: who maintain a grip on national (Congressional, Executive) power as much through the apathy/disinterest of the opposition as by the popularity of their ideas.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:55:42am

re: #123 Jay C

At best.

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danarchy  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:55:44am

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

So, today I learned that apparently there’s a serial killer on the loose in Kasur, eastern Punjab, Pakistan.

independent.co.uk

This most recent murder happened a few days ago - a manhunt is underway for the suspect.

Speaking of serial killers on the loose, the thought that this guy is out there running around is sort of terrifying.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 8:59:00am

re: #123 Jay C

And that base is, what? At best, about a third of the electorate? Admittedly, it’s a hard-core, immovably prejudiced and reflexively partisan third (who leverage their minority status by reliably bloc-voting in large numbers every election): but a minority still: who maintain a grip on national (Congressional, Executive) power as much through the apathy/disinterest of the opposition as by the popularity of their ideas.

His base is enough to keep them on their toes about being renominated lest they go against him.

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Lupin  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:00:51am

re: #122 Blind Frog Belly White

They lost by 1.5% with a pedophile as their standard bearer. Yes, it was a fabulous, unexpected victory for us, but the fact that it was even close, with Roy “Get ‘Em While They’re Young” Moore is alarming.

And after 10 months of Trumpistan Unleashed.

I couldn’t agree more.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:01:15am

re: #122 Blind Frog Belly White

They lost by 1.5% with a pedophile as their standard bearer. Yes, it was a fabulous, unexpected victory for us, but the fact that it was even close, with Roy “Get ‘Em While They’re Young” Moore is alarming.

In a state that has done just about everything possible to keep Democrats from winning.

I have built into my calculations the disgusting part of my country. I am not surprised by it. I see it both openly and subtly displayed around me. And I’m white. I know that I’m only seeing the cockroaches that hazard a trip out from under the fridge.

I will not do defeatism.

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ObserverArt  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:01:39am

Can someone help me with the definition of “racist?”

It seems to have changed.

Today’s political shows are proof. I’ve heard a few people say that what Trump said about shitholes doesn’t mean he is a racist. I’ve heard them say that his whole life full of what appears to be racist is not proof he is a racist.

I’m throwing out my dictionary. It doesn’t mean anything anymore.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:02:14am

re: #123 Jay C

And that base is, what? At best, about a third of the electorate? Admittedly, it’s a hard-core, immovably prejudiced and reflexively partisan third (who leverage their minority status by reliably bloc-voting in large numbers every election): but a minority still: who maintain a grip on national (Congressional, Executive) power as much through the apathy/disinterest of the opposition as by the popularity of their ideas.

The thing is, they can do a LOT of damage in the next year or so.

There are two possibilities I see - either they figure, as I said, that even if they get chucked out, they’ll get back in after a few years, because Americans forget, and Americans believe both-sidesism; or maybe they figure this is their last shot to extend their power for as long as possible in the face of the inevitable demographics.

After the lose in 2012, the ‘GOP Establishment’ realized that in order to deal with the loss of white majority status meant they’d have to seek the votes of nonwhites. But other folks decided that they hadn’t been racist ENOUGH, and those folks won.

For now.

But again, they can do a lot of damage in a short time, if they’re willing to give up winning elections for a while.

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Lupin  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:02:53am

re: #119 Hecuba’s daughter

The GOP base is totally fine with Putin. When once again I challenged my brother on Trump’s fondness for Putin, he said that no one cares. There is no reasoning with them but Hillary!! and Uranium 1 !! and Benghazi!! and Seth Rich !! and Mueller’s team is corrupt!!

I also agree. We’re dealing with a cult here — Trump is the L Ron Hubbard of 30+% of the United States.

And another 30% (roughly) don’t give a sh*t who runs the show.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:03:13am

If you question a judge’s ability to judge you fairly because of his parents’ placecof birth, you’re a racist. And I’m sick of Trumps cult trying to deny it.

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ObserverArt  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:03:17am

re: #122 Blind Frog Belly White

They lost by 1.5% with a pedophile as their standard bearer. Yes, it was a fabulous, unexpected victory for us, but the fact that it was even close, with Roy “Get ‘Em While They’re Young” Moore is alarming.

It was freaking Alabama.

Are we going to start calling a decent win not a decent win now???

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:03:43am

re: #129 ObserverArt

Can someone help me with the definition of “racist?”

It seems to have changed.

Today’s political shows are proof. I’ve heard a few people say that what Trump said about shitholes doesn’t mean he is a racist. I’ve heard them say that his whole life full of what appears to be racist is not proof he is a racist.

I’m throwing out my dictionary. It doesn’t mean anything anymore.

Don’t let them (un)define it.

I remember Sarah Krudzor (?sp) Kendzior reminding everyone that one of the things totalitarian groups do is change things around you and that you must remember what it was like before, even if you have to write it down.

Edited, because people knew who I was talking about.

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nines09  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:04:14am

re: #97 GlutenFreeJesus

This story is even better than that video shows. The dog is actually deaf and can feel the music. Albeit the Nirvana part is edited in. But still great.

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Video

That explains why the fingers don’t match the notes.
And it’s also very sweet. You can see a person standing off to the side of some rock acts, signing the words. The deaf can “feel” the music, the air move, the beat.

Thanks for that info.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:04:38am

re: #125 danarchy

Ah yes, the “Monster of the Andes”. About 300 victims, or so he’s claimed, but 80 victims confirmed.

There’s some debate as to his whereabouts, I see.

That’s really bad. There should be no debate about where he is.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:04:39am

re: #133 ObserverArt

It was freaking Alabama.

Are we going to start calling a decent win not a decent win now???

Some people seem too ready to give up.

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Lupin  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:04:48am

re: #128 Belafon

In a state that has done just about everything possible to keep Democrats from winning.

I have built into my calculations the disgusting part of my country. I am not surprised by it. I see it both openly and subtly displayed around me. And I’m white. I know that I’m only seeing the cockroaches that hazard a trip out from under the fridge.

I will not do defeatism.

I agree — in the long-term. In the short-term, we’re skating over very thin ice. Many people will have to die and eat sh*t before the country wakes up. We’re talking massive numbers here. Rock bottom isn’t even a blip on the horizon.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:06:07am

re: #128 Belafon

In a state that has done just about everything possible to keep Democrats from winning.

I have built into my calculations the disgusting part of my country. I am not surprised by it. I see it both openly and subtly displayed around me. And I’m white. I know that I’m only seeing the cockroaches that hazard a trip out from under the fridge.

I will not do defeatism.

Not doing defeatism. I’m readjusting my perceptions, because I really want to understand what we’re facing. I would never have thought that a man like Roy Moore was revealed to be could win a Senate seat, but he came damned close to it. Only by out-organizing them, and only because POCs were energized and got out to vote did we stop him. That has to be the model for the future.

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retired cynic  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:06:20am

re: #134 Belafon

Don’t let them (un)define it.

I remember Sarah Krudzor (?sp) reminding everyone that one of the things totalitarian groups do is change things around you and that you must remember what it was like before, even if you have to write it down.

Amy Siskind, too, as well as Sarah Kendzior.
medium.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:06:56am

re: #134 Belafon

Don’t let them (un)define it.

I remember Sarah Krudzor (?sp) reminding everyone that one of the things totalitarian groups do is change things around you and that you must remember what it was like before, even if you have to write it down.

Kendzior.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:07:37am

re: #139 Blind Frog Belly White

Not doing defeatism. I’m readjusting my perceptions, because I really want to understand what we’re facing. I would never have thought that a man like Roy Moore was revealed to be could win a Senate seat, but he came damned close to it. Only by out-organizing them, and only because POCs were energized and got out to vote did we stop him. That has to be the model for the future.

We need to embrace POC. They’re a huge part of our base. It’d be a mistake not to make one the nominee or VP.

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ObserverArt  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:08:36am

re: #137 Belafon

Some people seem too ready to give up.

Fighting my response…it is hard.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:09:12am

I’m not giving up on the population as a whole but I have given up hope in a sane GOP.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:10:16am

re: #86 mmmirele

This made me laugh:

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The Nazis are taking advantage of Internet spaces where no decent person would go.

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Lupin  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:10:26am

re: #143 ObserverArt

Fighting my response…it is hard.

I object to the binary choice. It’s not give up vs resist. IMHO the resistance’s success is based on the premise that it will take massive hurt to the country to defeat the cult. If you don’t understand this, you may falter along the way.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:10:51am

re: #138 Lupin

I agree — in the long-term. In the short-term, we’re skating over very thin ice. Many people will have to die and eat sh*t before the country wakes up. We’re talking massive numbers here. Rock bottom isn’t even a blip on the horizon.

There’s a third of this country that’s about at the line where the south was right before Lincoln was elected. The problem now is that they’re scattered throughout the country. There’s not much was can to to get them to change except defeat their party in election.

As for the other side, I’m seeing a whole lot of people running for office, organizing to get out the vote, and getting prepared for elections. As for the divisions we saw near the end of 2016, I’ll use Daily Kos as my guide. There are few popular “Democrats suck” diaries, and the ones that are rec’d tend to be overloaded with comments against the article.

I see a lot more energy on the left than I have in a long time, and the energy isn’t “Who will save us?” but more of a “How are we going to change this?” I like it.

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Lupin  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:12:30am

Leah Remini’s show about scientology is a good template. Picture the country as the Church of Scientology and Trump as David Miscavige. How long do you think it’s going to take to unseat that psychopathic little tyrant? Will the Church even survive?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:12:55am

re: #133 ObserverArt

It was freaking Alabama.

Are we going to start calling a decent win not a decent win now???

My natural inclination, and what makes me successful in my work, is to figure out all the things that could go wrong, and how to get around them. To me, the most important thing is clearly understanding the challenge, because if you don’t then something you didn’t think of will bugger the project.

I have been told that a lot of people, my own children included, find this approach to things to be demotivating, but it’s who I am and how I work.

I’d also note that my bosses always have prized the fact that I don’t tell them that something can’t be done. I tell them how it can be done and what has to happen for it to get done.

So, I’m disinclined to Pollyannaism, but also to defeatism.

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Lupin  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:14:58am

re: #147 Belafon

As for the other side, I’m seeing a whole lot of people running for office, organizing to get out the vote, and getting prepared for elections. As for the divisions we saw near the end of 2016, I’ll use Daily Kos as my guide. There are few popular “Democrats suck” diaries, and the ones that are rec’d tend to be overloaded with comments against the article.

But even if the Left is solidly united, that’s still not enough. You need to move the other third. (My premise is that the cult is hopeless.) And my belief is that it’s going to take a lot of hurt to move them.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:15:22am

That’s some Fast & Furious shit right there…

I remember, way back when, right around the time I enlisted, couple guys racing on Staten Island in a Corvette went airborne, clipped off a telephone pole around 15-20 ft up. Pretty much the only things left identifiable of the car were the tires.

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BeachDem  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:15:23am

re: #129 ObserverArt

Can someone help me with the definition of “racist?”

It seems to have changed.

Today’s political shows are proof. I’ve heard a few people say that what Trump said about shitholes doesn’t mean he is a racist. I’ve heard them say that his whole life full of what appears to be racist is not proof he is a racist.

I’m throwing out my dictionary. It doesn’t mean anything anymore.

They’re going with the Lewis Carroll definition:

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:19:11am

re: #146 Lupin

I object to the binary choice. It’s not give up vs resist. IMHO the resistance’s success is based on the premise that it will take massive hurt to the country to defeat the cult. If you don’t understand this, you may falter along the way.

That’s one way to fix it. The other, in a binary party system, is to keep defeating the other party. It’s why the Democrats, after the successes of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, went wobbly over the next 40 years. Once the racists joined the Republican party and started beating the Democrats consistently, the party changed in that direction.

Now, we have a chance to start reversing that. It won’t be easy, but, as we’re seeing in Oklahoma, Virginia, and Alabama, things can reverse. Republicans see it too, which is why they’re currently trying to set fire to everything.

Now, here’s the thing that we have to keep in mind about this country: Had Rubio won, or Christie, or any number of the others, we wouldn’t have this chance to fix things. They would have been the typical Republicans people groan at, but accept as part of the system. That’s another things I have to keep in mind: It took a Trump level nuke to the system to get the left to wake up. That’s a disturbing undercurrent of this country I’m trying to figure out how to fix.

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allegro  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:19:32am

re: #134 Belafon

Don’t let them (un)define it.

I remember Sarah Krudzor (?sp) reminding everyone that one of the things totalitarian groups do is change things around you and that you must remember what it was like before, even if you have to write it down.

I’m determined to not let them. There is little I can do on a large scale but I can control, to a certain extent, my immediate world. I can certainly control my attitudes to avoid devolving into hopelessness and giving them that win. They can’t have that. They will not get my tears but instead my determination to say “no, you will not.” I can do my best to maintain relationships that have had value over the decades and change what I can through open dialog. I will not play the Us vs Them game - it’s what the assholes want (even some here) and they can’t have that. My guiding motto remains: And yet, she persevered.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:22:16am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

We need to embrace POC. They’re a huge part of our base. It’d be a mistake not to make one the nominee or VP.

One good thing coming out of the last election is that POCs will stop trusting us. That is, the ones who have said for decades that they cannot depend on white liberals to give them their equality were right. The same thing for women, and LGBT folks. White liberal men may try, may even be acceptable allies, but in the end we can’t be the ones who do it.

Whether you want to see that as “We can’t do it alone” or “We can’t be trusted, because we don’t REALLY get it” doesn’t really matter.

Bernie Sanders, very clearly, doesn’t really get it. He still thinks it’s class struggle. He’s still paternalistic about it. And a lot of white liberals are really attracted by that because it lets us avoid the hard work of ‘getting it’.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:23:22am

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

One good thing coming out of the last election is that POCs will stop trusting us. That is, the ones who have said for decades that they cannot depend on white liberals to give them their equality were right. The same thing for women, and LGBT folks. White liberal men may try, may even be acceptable allies, but in the end we can’t be the ones who do it.

Whether you want to see that as “We can’t do it alone” or “We can’t be trusted, because we don’t REALLY get it” doesn’t really matter.

Bernie Sanders, very clearly, doesn’t really get it. He still thinks it’s class struggle. He’s still paternalistic about it. And a lot of white liberals are really attracted by that because it lets us avoid the hard work of ‘getting it’.

Yep Bernie doesn’t get it at all.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:23:23am

re: #150 Lupin

But even if the Left is solidly united, that’s still not enough. You need to move the other third. (My premise is that the cult is hopeless.) And my belief is that it’s going to take a lot of hurt to move them.

The fractions aren’t quite 1/3-1/3-1/3. Right now, the Republicans are about 28ish% and the Demcrats are above. It would be nice to get that middle third picking the left, and that would be where your bottoming out does it. But, short of rigging that ourselves, there’s not much we can do about it. The economy is humming along pretty well. The really poor states, Alabama, Mississippi, are going to vote racist. The other states the middle class is hanging on enough that they’re going to vote on their beliefs rather than their pocket books. We just have to go with what we got.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:23:47am

re: #148 Lupin

Leah Remini’s show about scientology is a good template. Picture the country as the Church of Scientology and Trump as David Miscavige. How long do you think it’s going to take to unseat that psychopathic little tyrant? Will the Church even survive?

It’s not a church, it’s an abusive cult, and it shouldn’t survive.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:26:19am

re: #146 Lupin

I object to the binary choice. It’s not give up vs resist. IMHO the resistance’s success is based on the premise that it will take massive hurt to the country to defeat the cult. If you don’t understand this, you may falter along the way.

(Back from the hospital for mid-day break)

The RW cult will never be defeated because it is partly wired into the human spinal column, somewhere between the brain stem and the anal sphincter. We can suppress them as long as we fight, and it’s going to be more than a 1000 year war. If we let up anywhere for any respite, they’ll be back.

Fortunately the same kind of resiliency is built into the humane among us.

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retired cynic  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:27:18am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

How IS Mrs Deb??

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:28:51am

re: #154 allegro

There is little I can do on a large scale but I can control, to a certain extent, my immediate world. I can certainly control my attitudes to avoid devolving into hopelessness and giving them that win. They can’t have that.

Exactly. Justice needs a stubborn streak a mile wide

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:31:00am

re: #150 Lupin

But even if the Left is solidly united, that’s still not enough. You need to move the other third. (My premise is that the cult is hopeless.) And my belief is that it’s going to take a lot of hurt to move them.

One thought is that these days a nominee of either party for President starts with 45%, and it would take a huge scandal or such to get less than that. Trump only added 1.2% to the 45% he was guaranteed.

So, there’s not really 1/3 in the middle. More like 10%. Them, you can work on. But if nothing else, all the elections since 2006 should tell us that the key is motivating your core supporters to get out and vote. It’s how we won 2006, 2008, and 2012. It’s how THEY won 2010 and 2014. Not doing it is how we lost 2016.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:31:28am

re: #160 retired cynic

How IS Mrs Deb??

(Thanks, all.)

All of her easy numbers are back to near-ideal. The one we see only once per day, kidney function, is what’s keeping her in there—probably for 2-3 more days.

The docs are doing their strip-tease now, revealing how scary it was. I knew that as soon as I saw her get an embargoed bed for a week in the middle of our flu epidemic.

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ObserverArt  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:32:16am

re: #146 Lupin

I object to the binary choice. It’s not give up vs resist. IMHO the resistance’s success is based on the premise that it will take massive hurt to the country to defeat the cult. If you don’t understand this, you may falter along the way.

I’m not worried about me. Maybe you don’t understand that.

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retired cynic  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:32:57am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

(Thanks, all.)

All of her easy numbers are back to near-ideal. The one we see only once per day, kidney function, is what’s keeping her in there—probably for 2-3 more days.

The docs are doing their strip-tease now, revealing how scary it was. I knew that as soon as I saw her get an embargoed bed for a week in the middle of our flu epidemic.

Oooohhhh yeahhh, kidney function. Glad they are really working on that! Many thoughts for you both!

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Interesting Times  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:41:35am

Editorial cartoon of the day (though it certainly applies to the rest of the time this kakistocracy’s been in power…)

Facebook Post

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retired cynic  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:42:47am

Speaking of Amy Siskind, her list of “what is not normal” for two weeks ago includes these points:

74. AP reported Trump is the first US leader since Calvin Coolidge in the 1920s to end his first year in office without hosting a single state dinner for foreign counterparts. Close interest will be paid to the first invitation.
75. Politico reported on the lack of transparency surrounding Trump’s Cabinet. Eight of the 17 Cabinet heads do not release information on their planned schedules or travels, and four provide only sporadic details.
76. In addition, at least six won’t release appointment calendars, or who their leaders had met with, what they discussed and where they traveled — a potential violation of the Freedom of Information Act.
77. Information released reveals cabinet members meeting with businesses, and their lobbyists, that they are meant to regulate. There is also concern about hidden policy agendas, and taxpayer reimbursement for personal travel.

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Belafon  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:46:18am

re: #167 retired cynic

Speaking of Amy Siskind, her list of “what is not normal” for two weeks ago includes these points:

75-77 are something we’ll have to figure out how to fix. One of the things I’ve been trying to figure out is if there are any penalties short of impeachment we can create so they will do the right thing. It’s sad that we have to legislate it, but that’s where we are now.

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allegro  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:52:33am

re: #168 Belafon

75-77 are something we’ll have to figure out how to fix. One of the things I’ve been trying to figure out is if there are any penalties short of impeachment we can create so they will do the right thing. It’s sad that we have to legislate it, but that’s where we are now.

It certainly has been eye-opening to see that what I believed were demands/rules/laws, whatever we call them, being in reality just customs that have been long honored. Seeing so many cavalierly tossed aside has been shocking.

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BeachDem  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:53:32am

The expression on Jennifer Rubin’s face in response to the bullshit Stephanie Hammill (another OAN “genius”)is slinging says it all.

And then, Joy said “…this is not Fox News and we are not going to play the game of rolling out crazy conspiracy theories in answers to my questions and take us off track.”

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allegro  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:54:03am

As far as state dinners, I tend to doubt the problem is the lack of invitation. It’s that no foreign dignitaries will accept.

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allegro  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:55:44am

re: #170 BeachDem

The expression on Jennifer Rubin’s face in response to the bullshit Stephanie Hammill (another OAN “genius”)is slinging says it all.

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And then, Joy said “…this is not Fox News and we are not going to play the game of rolling out crazy conspiracy theories in answers to my questions and take us off track.”

I’m loving this new trend and it’s about damn time.

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BeachDem  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:58:04am

re: #172 allegro

I’m loving this new trend and it’s about damn time.

Joy got her own burn in about the quality of GOP defenders who will come on her show.

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Semper Fi  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:58:26am

re: #171 allegro

As far as state dinners, I tend to doubt the problem is the lack of invitation. It’s that no foreign dignitaries will accept.

Trump is such an atypical US President.

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retired cynic  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:58:48am

re: #172 allegro

I’m loving this new trend and it’s about damn time.

That’s Joy for you! Glad to see a couple of them are starting to do this.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:59:21am

Joy is great.

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allegro  Jan 14, 2018 • 9:59:54am

re: #173 BeachDem

Joy got her own burn in about the quality of GOP defenders who will come on her show.

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She and other hosts should make this statement at the top of every one of their shows. GOP leaders have been invited to discuss these issues, they refuse. We continue to ask why.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:05:47am

Wonder how melon is holding up.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:07:17am

Well based on the latest bullshit coming from DC I got to prepare for another government shutdown that will force me to work for no pay.

Afraid it may go longer than the 5 week shutdown between Thanksgiving 1995 past New Year’s in 1996…

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A Cranky One  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:07:38am

So what kind of light saber would Bruce Lee use? The most badass kind.

Bruce Lee Lightsabers Scene Recreation

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:10:56am

re: #178 Stanley Sea

Wonder how melon is holding up.

They turned her off.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:14:55am

Gotta repost this

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BeachDem  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:18:14am

re: #182 Stanley Sea

Gotta repost this

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And for another chuckle:

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:20:50am

re: #182 Stanley Sea

“A thousand bucks on the black one.”

LOL

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Archangelus  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:21:59am

In the wake of a recent viral tweet that indicated just how few worthy blocks I have on Twitter, I’ve decided to step up my game… /

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:22:25am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:23:36am

re: #185 Archangelus

In the wake of a recent viral tweet that indicated just how few worthy blocks I have on Twitter, I’ve decided to step up my game… /

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Lol okay Dinesh. And horse faced? Pathetic hateful loser crook says what?

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Archangelus  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:26:41am
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:27:50am

re: #185 Archangelus

Uh, that felon is the last person on earth that needs to be talking about someone’s looks.

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jaunte  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:31:26am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:32:48am

re: #190 jaunte

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Says the guy who employed a “confederate avenger” and whose father is beloved by racists everywhere.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:33:14am

So, a little more on yesterday’s near-miss while walking Rango - we were crossing a 4-lane, divided boulevard at a 4-way stop. I always check to make sure everyone sees us, especially the person whose turn it is to go next. I was focusing on one guy in front of whom we’d have to pass, because he looked like he might go.

Suddenly, a big Mercedes SUV thing enters my field of vision from the left (probably too focused on that other guy), passes RIGHT in front of me, and I hear a quiet ‘thunk’, followed by a terrible yelping.

Mind races, “OH MY GOD HE RAN OVER RANGO!!!!” I’m certain Rango is injured, as the yelping continues. I look where Rango was, and I can’t see him! Was he pulled under the wheels?!?

Then I realize the yelping is coming from BEHIND ME. Rango is straining at the leash to get away from the big scary thing, still yelping. I get him calmed down, and start checking him all over - limp? blood? sore spot? anything? Nothing.

WHEW!!! I can’t tell you how relieved I was!! But you can probably imagine.

The driver pulled over and parked and offered me his license to take a picture, and suggested I take a picture of him, and get his phone number. Very apologetic, wanted me to take R to a vet to check him out. But greyhounds are NOT stoic at all. If something hurt, he’d let me know!!

I later noticed I had a very slight scrape on my left hand. I wonder if the thunk might have been ME? I think Rango’s Greyhound-strength muscles and reflexes got him out of the way, possibly without even being struck at all. I remember, on one of Zeena’s first walks, I slipped just a little on some gravel, making a loud *SHRUCK!!* sound, and INSTANTLY she was the length of the leash away from me, trying to jump farther away.

That’s why you NEVER let up your grip on a Greyhound’s leash! Not only can they hit 45 mph in three strides, but they can leap out of your reach in an instant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:33:23am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:34:25am

Here’s a tip. Don’t want to be called racists? Don’t do racist shit.

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jaunte  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:34:41am
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:35:36am

re: #195 jaunte

Then stop being a racist. Simple.

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:36:40am

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

As John Oliver also said, “Look up. You see that place, way, way up there above us? That’s rock bottom.”

My fear is that the GOP really has gone all in on Trump, not cynically, but because he’s shown them a magical way to stay in power - not giving a shit.

That’s my fear. That they really love Trump because he proved to them that they could get everything they want by simply doing whatever they please.

this all may be true
i still think it’s the daffy duck moment:

Daffy has blown himself up for a grand finale; the audience cheers

Bugs Bunny: [starts clapping] That’s terrific, Daffy! They loved it. They want more.

Daffy Duck: [as a ghost rising to heaven] I know, I know, but I can only do it once.

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jaunte  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:37:57am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:39:31am

re: #198 jaunte

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But he’s not a racist.//

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:42:24am

re: #198 jaunte

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He’s worried about white genocide, isn’t he….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:42:46am

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, and the yelping? This was the infamous Greyhound Scream Of Death (GSOD), the godawful, heart-rending yelp they give when they do something like scratch their own ear too hard. First few times you hear it, you think they’re dreadfully injured.

Nope. They’re just Drama Queens.

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:43:42am

re: #133 ObserverArt

It was freaking Alabama.

Are we going to start calling a decent win not a decent win now???

it was an excellent win
and imo 1.5% isnt the only metric - the democratic swing from previous “normal for alabama” elections is very relevant

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:47:29am

Trump is worse than George Wallace since he has a whole party enabling him.

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jaunte  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:48:06am
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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:48:27am

re: #162 Blind Frog Belly White

One thought is that these days a nominee of either party for President starts with 45%, and it would take a huge scandal or such to get less than that. Trump only added 1.2% to the 45% he was guaranteed.

So, there’s not really 1/3 in the middle. More like 10%. Them, you can work on. But if nothing else, all the elections since 2006 should tell us that the key is motivating your core supporters to get out and vote. It’s how we won 2006, 2008, and 2012. It’s how THEY won 2010 and 2014. Not doing it is how we lost 2016.

imo the exit polling from alabama shows us who and what the future of the democratic party can be

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:49:32am

Ms. “My cousins, MLK’s actual children, think I’m full of shit but I will continue to take my uncle’s name in vain” Alveda is at it again:

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jaunte  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:49:49am

Party of personal ethical compromise in service to socially immoral policy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:50:30am

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

Ms. “My cousins, MLK’s actual children, think I’m full of shit but I will continue to take my uncle’s name in vain” Alveda is at it again:

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They always get this nut rather than MLK’s actual children.

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:52:49am

re: #174 Semper Fi

Trump is such an atypical US President.

in the beginning i called him “ignominious the first”

now maybe we should call him the “aberrational president”
he might think it’s a compliment
that is if he doesnt think we’re calling him a yeti

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Amory Blaine  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:54:40am

re: #65 nines09

Good morning.

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Back In Black w/ Maple on the Drums (AC/DC)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:57:32am

With all respect to Almeda King, she disrespects her uncle’s legacy every time she promotes right wing propaganda given that these people are the same people who hated and stil do hate her uncle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2018 • 10:59:39am
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BeachDem  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:00:26am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

With allno respect to Almeda King, she disrespects her uncle’s legacy every time she promotes right wing propaganda given that these people are the same people who hated and stil do hate her uncle.

FIFY

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meteor  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:01:02am

Feel sorry for the Steelers fans so far. Team isn’t doing squiddly-doot.

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:01:18am

re: #206 The Vicious Babushka

Ms. “My cousins, MLK’s actual children, think I’m full of shit but I will continue to take my uncle’s name in vain” Alveda is at it again:

.@AlvedaCKing: “Uncle ML, Martin Luther King Jr., was considered to be an agitator, an outsider sometimes - and it reminds me of our leader, President @realDonaldTrump, now the President of the United States; he’s often compared to an agitator.”

president agitator:

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jaunte  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:01:23am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:01:29am

re: #213 BeachDem

FIFY

I don’t understand her deal.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:01:47am

re: #205 dangerman

imo the exit polling from alabama shows us who and what the future of the democratic party can be

This is something that wingnuts don’t grasp. Their whole understanding of the Democratic Party and blacks is colored (haha) by their racism. They see it as the Democratic Party is a white party, like theirs, that has fooled black people into voting for us. But that’s not it. Black people don’t just VOTE FOR Democrats. They ARE Democrats. They are us, we are them. They’re as solidly part of the party as southern whites are solidly part of the GOP - maybe even more so.

Their understanding of this is rooted in the racist view that blacks are too stupid to know what’s in their own interest. And that blacks only believe there’s discrimination because Democrats told them so.

And the amazing thing is, wingnuts cannot understand how deeply racist that is.

Conversely, I know that a lot of us tend to think of poorer white peopleas ‘voting against their own interest’ in voting for Republicans. But really, they’re voting for white privilege, for white supremacy, perhaps not fully understanding and accepting that this is what they’re doing. They’re not ‘voting against their own interest’, they just have a different view of what that interest is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:02:53am

re: #216 jaunte

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Indeed. I have seen otherwise intelligent people argue that SLAVERY wasn’t racist, because there were black slaveowners.

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Weaselone  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:04:00am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

I don’t understand her deal.

It’s about the silver.

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JordanRules  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:04:02am

re: #214 meteor

Finally something!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:04:22am

re: #219 Blind Frog Belly White

Indeed. I have seen otherwise intelligent people argue that SLAVERY wasn’t racist, because there were black slaveowners.

Or that Africans sold the Europeans the slaves. American slavery was based on white supremacy and the proponents of it didn’t hide that fact in slavery’s lifetime.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:05:20am

re: #220 Weaselone

It’s about the silver.

You think it’s money? Maybe. TBH I don’t know much about her. I just know she’s the go to person when wingnuts need to claim MLK as their own.

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:07:18am

re: #218 Blind Frog Belly White

This is something that wingnuts don’t grasp. Their whole understanding of the Democratic Party and blacks is colored (haha) by their racism. They see it as the Democratic Party is a white party, like theirs, that has fooled black people into voting for us. But that’s not it. Black people don’t just VOTE FOR Democrats. They ARE Democrats. They are us, we are them. They’re as solidly part of the party as southern whites are solidly part of the GOP - maybe even more so.

Their understanding of this is rooted in the racist view that blacks are too stupid to know what’s in their own interest. And that blacks only believe there’s discrimination because Democrats told them so.

And the amazing thing is, wingnuts cannot understand how deeply racist that is.

Conversely, I know that a lot of us tend to think of poorer white peopleas ‘voting against their own interest’ in voting for Republicans. But really, they’re voting for white privilege, for white supremacy, perhaps not fully understanding and accepting that this is what they’re doing. They’re not ‘voting against their own interest’, they just have a different view of what that interest is.

what you wrote is very good

the words i use:
R’s America:. Unjust, unequal, unforgiving, and compassion-less
D’s America: liberty and Justice *for all*. a better life for everyone. right out of the pledge of allegiance

i cant remember who i got this quote from:

EVERY Trump voter made the same Faustian bargain. Wealthy, ‘fiscally conservative moderates’ traded social justice, the planet, their daughter’s rights, international relations, safe gun policy, the health care of millions and much more for their own tax cut. The struggling, white middle class traded it all for a fictional job promise.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:08:24am
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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:10:23am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Or that Africans sold the Europeans the slaves. American slavery was based on white supremacy and the proponents of it didn’t hide that fact in slavery’s lifetime.

all of which is incidental and meaningless to the fundamental problem
in the united states, slavery was institutionalized, enforced, by the states and federal government.

it was state sponsored
all the way through the civil rights movement
and still is today in many ways

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:12:15am

re: #226 dangerman

all of which is incidental and meaningless to the fundamental problem
in the united states, slavery was institutionalized, enforced, by the states and federal government.

it was state sponsored
all the way through the civil rights movement
and still is today in many ways

Oh absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:16:22am

Reagan had to be forced into accepting MLK day. John McCain opposed the holiday. Every Republican nominee except Ford who was in politics in 1964 opposed the CRA 1964.

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:20:34am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Reagan had to be forced into accepting MLK day. John McCain opposed the holiday. Every Republican nominee except Ford who was in politics in 1964 opposed the CRA 1964.

And Friday in big ceremony to a round of applause trump “proclaimed” it mlk day

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:33:02am

re: #218 Blind Frog Belly White

This is something that wingnuts don’t grasp. Their whole understanding of the Democratic Party and blacks is colored (haha) by their racism. They see it as the Democratic Party is a white party, like theirs, that has fooled black people into voting for us. But that’s not it. Black people don’t just VOTE FOR Democrats. They ARE Democrats. They are us, we are them. They’re as solidly part of the party as southern whites are solidly part of the GOP - maybe even more so.

Their understanding of this is rooted in the racist view that blacks are too stupid to know what’s in their own interest. And that blacks only believe there’s discrimination because Democrats told them so.

And the amazing thing is, wingnuts cannot understand how deeply racist that is.

Conversely, I know that a lot of us tend to think of poorer white peopleas ‘voting against their own interest’ in voting for Republicans. But really, they’re voting for white privilege, for white supremacy, perhaps not fully understanding and accepting that this is what they’re doing. They’re not ‘voting against their own interest’, they just have a different view of what that interest is.

This is very accurate, well done.

We see that the core cultural message of the cult right is one of white supremacy, of hating liberals and brown people, but it’s also true that there are immigrants and black people that subscribe to this same message. The cultural reinforcement of elevating the lowest white man above the best coloured person is so ingrained in the US media and the US culture that white hoods and burning crosses are no longer necessary to convey it. Now all that media needs to do is continually excuse white men for their sins, and everyone watching understands, subconsciously if not overtly.

FOX, however, makes a specific point of trying to sell their hate cult to black people and Hispanics. You see it in Spanish-speaking FOX, in their use of black people to come on air and peddle their message. What I wonder, though, is whether this will be successful. On one hand, there’s nothing specifically about being black or Hispanic that makes you immune to joining a cult, even a cult that is specifically about hating people like you. But I wonder if the message can truly resonate as well as it does with mediocre white Americans, who have lived their entire life surrounded by this culture. Black Americans have also lived surrounded by this culture all their lives, but it’s a hostile one, one that tells them they are lower than the worst white man. Is seeing someone who looks like you on TV enough to sell that culture to you, to make you feel like you could belong in that cult? I don’t know. I haven’t grown up in either culture.

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allegro  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:34:20am

re: #229 dangerman

And Friday in big ceremony to a round of applause trump “proclaimed” it mlk day

Sounded more like he blandly read it under protest.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:34:26am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:34:58am
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allegro  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:37:05am

re: #230 Renaissance_Man

This is very accurate, well done.

We see that the core cultural message of the cult right is one of white supremacy, of hating liberals and brown people, but it’s also true that there are immigrants and black people that subscribe to this same message. The cultural reinforcement of elevating the lowest white man above the best coloured person is so ingrained in the US media and the US culture that white hoods and burning crosses are no longer necessary to convey it. Now all that media needs to do is continually excuse white men for their sins, and everyone watching understands, subconsciously if not overtly.

FOX, however, makes a specific point of trying to sell their hate cult to black people and Hispanics. You see it in Spanish-speaking FOX, in their use of black people to come on air and peddle their message. What I wonder, though, is whether this will be successful. On one hand, there’s nothing specifically about being black or Hispanic that makes you immune to joining a cult, even a cult that is specifically about hating people like you. But I wonder if the message can truly resonate as well as it does with mediocre white Americans, who have lived their entire life surrounded by this culture. Black Americans have also lived surrounded by this culture all their lives, but it’s a hostile one, one that tells them they are lower than the worst white man. Is seeing someone who looks like you on TV enough to sell that culture to you, to make you feel like you could belong in that cult? I don’t know. I haven’t grown up in either culture.

It’s worked on women for millennia.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:39:08am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

Glad to hear she is doing better. Hopefully she will be home soon.

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BeachDem  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:39:35am

re: #233 Charles Johnson

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Musical accompaniment

Exposé - I’ll Never Get Over You Getting Over Me

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:41:15am

re: #229 dangerman

And Friday in big ceremony to a round of applause trump “proclaimed” it mlk day

I am of the opinion that these “proclamations” are simply to placate the orange shit-goblin. No one with any brains believes he cares beyond the pomp of him being the center of attention? Right?

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plansbandc  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:42:31am

re: #219 Blind Frog Belly White

This is so appallingly stupid, my eye may never stop twitching.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:46:17am

re: #235 Hecuba’s daughter

Glad to hear she is doing better. Hopefully she will be home soon.

Doc just said she’ll be in the hospital for another week.

That time when you meet the new nephrologist who is saving your wife’s life, and you ask him about his accent, and he says “Lagos”, and you feel you should apologize somehow, and then you both have a little laugh.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:49:15am

Charles,
A feature request:
While favoriting BFBWs #218 it occured to me that it would be nice to have a favorited count popup on the Fav button, and maybe even a display of who favorited a comment.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:53:49am

re: #240 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Did you know you can click the “karma” number between the 1 and + buttons to see who dinged the comment?

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darthstar  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:55:13am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:55:59am

Instant Pot tip:
If you’re a dummy like me, and accidently leave the steam valve open when cooking some meat, resulting in a dry mess with a bad texture, coating the meat with olive oil fixes the mouth-feel, and salvages the meal.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 14, 2018 • 11:57:12am

re: #241 Charles Johnson

Did you know you can click the “karma” number between the 1 and + buttons to see who dinged the comment?

Yes, I’ve been here for a long time. I think something like that for favorites would be cool.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:00:45pm

re: #244 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yes, I’ve been here for a long time. I think something like that for favorites would be cool.

Oh, favorites! I didn’t get that at first. Perhaps I’ll have a look at that.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:02:10pm

Holy shit.

I knew the parable in my #239 sounds too fucking cute, so I looked for ways to document it. Here is the listing for nephrologists in a small town in Southern Alabama:

samc.org

Open that page—these are the people Shit-for-Brains wants to keep out of our country.

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darthstar  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:03:16pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:03:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:04:10pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:04:52pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Holy shit.

I knew the parable in my #235 sounds too fucking cute, so I looked for ways to document it. Here is the listing for nephrologists in a small town in Southern Alabama:

samc.org

Open that page—these are the people Shit-for-Brains wants to keep out of our country.

I expect that there are patients who insist on seeing Doctor Wells.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:04:55pm

re: #185 Archangelus

In the wake of a recent viral tweet that indicated just how few worthy blocks I have on Twitter, I’ve decided to step up my game… /

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Dinesh has always been a totally worthless racist. His comments about Chelsea show a man with no honest, decency or character. How anyone could take him seriously is beyond comprehension. Yet my brother thought his 2016 movie was worth seeing because of its “insight” about the history of the Democratic party. The Trump cult is deluded to its core.

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meteor  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:05:22pm

Game much closer now, Jacksonville 28 - Steelers 21.

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jaunte  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:06:33pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We remember the truth because it has a name, it is rooted in the past, but a makeshift lie is quickly forgotten.”
—Marcel Proust

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:06:36pm

re: #247 darthstar

Here’s a link to it.
chucklorre.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:06:36pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s definitely lying.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:12:08pm

re: #250 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I expect that there are patients who insist on seeing Doctor Wells.

Watching the waiting rooms here, I honestly think that would be rather rare. An old optometrist with a wonderful Virginia accent referred my glaucoma treatement to “the best eye surgeon in town”. He was right, and my guy is from Jamaica. I’m sure that’s on the long-form list of shitholes.

At night all nephrologists are gray.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:14:48pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:16:19pm

From Quora:

Q:Doctors/Medics: What is the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard a patient say or ask?
A:
Lacy Windham, studied at University of Tennessee Health Science Center
Answered Dec 22
It wasn’t the patient. It was the mother of the patient.

“We’ve just decided she won’t have sex anymore.”

I was discharging a 15-year-old girl home from the hospital with her newborn baby. As part of my discharge counseling I was inquiring about which birth control she was planning on using.

“Excuse me?” I asked dumbfounded when her mother informed me that her daughter would just not have sex anymore.

“Her father and I have discussed it with her and we have just decided that she is not going to have sex anymore.”

I tried my hardest.

“You know,” I said, “I put on my seatbelt when I get in the car. Not because I’m planning on having a wreck… just in case.”

At this point the mother was annoyed with me and wanted me to leave. Of course the patient could have consented to birth control herself but was not going to do so.

“Will you promise that if I deliver her baby again next year that I can give her birth control then?”

They agreed.

And the next year after I delivered her second baby they didn’t argue about the birth control.

quora.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:18:06pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want a woman who looks at me like that rooster looks at his friend….
//

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allegro  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:19:24pm

re: #258 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

From Quora:

quora.com

So now we know who the Palin’s ObGyn is.

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jaunte  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:24:19pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:26:00pm

re: #261 jaunte

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“I don’t recall hearing him say that” =/= “I recall not hearing him say that”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:26:57pm

re: #262 Blind Frog Belly White

Plus which, Trump apparently took a ‘victory lap’ after the news broke, preening to friends about how his base would love it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:28:37pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

Plus which, Trump apparently took a ‘victory lap’ after the news broke, preening to friends about how his base would love it.

Yep that’s not the move of someone who didn’t say it.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:32:08pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

Plus which, Trump apparently took a ‘victory lap’ after the news broke, preening to friends about how his base would love it.

Exactly. Apparently it’s not polling well internally and they’re suddenly in a mad scramble to retcon this shit. Hopefully again the attempted coverup will be worse than the crime.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:35:18pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

Exactly. Apparently it’s not polling well internally and they’re suddenly in a mad scramble to retcon this shit. Hopefully again the attempted coverup will be worse than the crime.

Might be hard to stuff this cat back in the bag…

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jaunte  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:38:07pm

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

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fern01  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:40:05pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Using the term “chain migration” appears more racist to me than any “shithole” comment

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:49:09pm

re: #261 jaunte

Going from “I didn’t hear it” to “It didn’t happen” is a very convincing move.

…baffle ‘em with bullshit

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dangerman  Jan 14, 2018 • 12:50:19pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

Exactly. Apparently it’s not polling well internally and they’re suddenly in a mad scramble to retcon this shit. Hopefully again the attempted coverup will be worse than the crime.

once id like to see that with this administration
with consequences
just once


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