Lawsuit Filed Against Chuck C. Johnson, Jim Hoft, Paul Nehlen, Gavin McInnes and Others for Falsely Linking Michigan Men to Charlottesville Attack

Consequences for spreading malicious fake news
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After last year’s white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, at which counter-protester Heather Heyer was murdered when one of the racists deliberately drove a car into a crowd, we reported that a slew of right wing sites immediately and recklessly rushed out articles identifying the wrong person as the perpetrator of the attack.

These irresponsible bloggers included our old pal Chuck C. Johnson (who is NOT ME, and is not really my “pal”) and Jim Hoft (the fabled Stupidest Man on the Internet). And from those two sites the fake story quickly spread throughout the right wing noise network.

Both of these far right bloggers soon deleted their posts, but of course they know very well that once they put this malicious nonsense out on the Internet, the right wing mob will take it and run with it, and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop or debunk it from that point; it becomes an article of faith and takes on a life of its own.

The young man falsely identified by these dishonest bloggers and his father were advised by Michigan State Police to leave their home and go into hiding, after they were flooded with death threats.

And this week, they filed a lawsuit against an entire group of these people, including Chuck C. Johnson, Jim Hoft, Gavin McInnes and Paul Ryan’s white nationalist primary challenger Paul Nehlen, seeking damages for defamation, invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

Courthouse News reports:

Joel Vangheluwe and Jerome Vangheluwe named GotNews and its editor and founder Charles Johnson as defendants in a complaint filed Wednesday in Detroit federal court. They are represented by Dallas attorney Andrew Sommerman and Clinton Township, Mich., attorney Raechel Badalamenti.

The lawsuit claims GotNews falsely reported that Jerome’s son Joel was the driver of the Dodge Challenger used to plow into anti-fascist protestors at the “Unite the Right” rally last August in Charlottesville, Va.

In fact, James Fields Jr. of Maumee, Ohio, was the suspect. Fields faces a second-degree murder charge in connection with the attack that killed 32-year-old legal assistant Heather Heyer and injured 19 others.

At the time of the attack on Aug. 12, 2017, the Vangheluwes say they were hosting a family wedding at their home when their social media and email accounts were inundated with messages after GotNews published a story that falsely linked Joel to the attack.

“Defendants used the Vangheluwes as political pawns, shifting the blame from alt-right extremists to an innocent 20-year-old boy who never owned or drove the car in question,” the filing states.

GotNews reported it had obtained evidence that Joel, who the outlet described as an anti-Trump drug user, was the owner of the Dodge Challenger. The publication made the tenuous link after searching for the license plate number of the Dodge Challenger and discovering it was under Jerome Vangheluwe’s name. It then scanned social media and leaped to the conclusion that Joel owned the car based on an image of the vehicle found on Facebook.

“Joel likes taking drugs and getting stoned, a look at his social media shows. What [sic] he under the influence when he crashed into the crowd at Charlottesville?” the article stated, according to the lawsuit.

It’s about time these far right operatives faced some consequences for their malicious and reckless behavior. I applaud the Vangheluwes for taking this step; they have a very good chance of winning the suit because they’re not public figures and this was a clear act of pure malice.

Here’s the lawsuit document filed in a federal district court in Michigan:

UPDATE at 2/17/18 3:39:10 pm by Charles Johnson

At Snopes, reporter Bethania Palma has a quote from the attorney for the Vangheluwes, who’s really not OK with this right wing fake news thing that’s going around:

We’ve all recently heard about this concept of ‘fake news.’ This is the real fake news, trying to tie wrong party affiliations with political acts. Jerome Vangheluwe sold the car years before the attack, and the car had passed through multiple buyers. Both of my clients are residents of Michigan, and the car in question had an Ohio license plate. The incident occurred in Virginia. There was no credible evidence to even suggest the Vangheluwes were responsible … My clients received death threats and feared for their safety and the safety of their family. The alt-right media was trying to create a narrative that someone other than a member of an alt-right organization was the one behind this terrorist attack.

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365 comments

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:47:33am
“Defendants’ conduct deliberately and intentionally injured the Plaintiffs; the acts were willful and malicious.”

May their bank accounts be drained.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:48:06am

Heather Heyer

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:50:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:50:34am

he’s on a rant:

and he’s still going with this lie:

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:51:33am

If Justice is blind, perhaps she will lift her veil for once and throw the scales at these joker’s nutsacks so hard they won’t be able to spread their poisonous pedadodgy…..

Especially for The Rage Furby and Gavin McInness.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:52:48am

NY Post, that vestige of journalism.

He’s pitiful.

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ckkatz  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:52:53am

I do hope that this group of bottom feeders are held to account for their behavior.

By the way, whatever happened to the other ‘legal’ actions involving the furby creep? As far as I can tell, there have been few consequences or sanctions. I keep hoping that I am wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:53:48am
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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:00:47pm

I think not for any special reason about Parkland that this new idea (to me) is starting to gel. maybe it has some merit if it can be distilled down into a shorter pithy sentence.

the nra wants the shootings to start
all their suggestions assume there is already shooting
they have no shooting prevention solutions

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:01:14pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s on a rant:

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Ya know, if later indictments include collusion by anyone on the Trump campaign with Russia - and it’s crystal fucking clear that both sides wanted to - hes gonna look real stupid.

Or, at least, stupider than he always looks.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:06:37pm

Day before yesterday I posted a Congressman from Maine touting their F. Here is another, from Wisconsin.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:06:40pm

Updinged this one Charles, before even reading it. I know how much you have worked to keep Chucky C. documented and well known for his tactics.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:08:04pm

re: #9 dangerman

I think not for any special reason about Parkland that this new idea (to me) is starting to gel. maybe it has some merit if it can be distilled down into a shorter pithy sentence.

the nra wants the shootings to start
all their suggestions assume there is already shooting
they have no shooting prevention solutions

You don’t sell guns to prevent shootings. You sell guns to respond to shootings.

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:09:45pm

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya know, if later indictments include collusion by anyone on the Trump campaign with Russia - and it’s crystal fucking clear that both sides wanted to - hes gonna look real stupid.

Or, at least, stupider than he always looks.

in light of stuff like McMaster: Evidence of Russian meddling is ‘now really incontrovertible’

they’re already saying if he keeps dismissing the investigation, refusing to acknowledge what the russians did in 2016, then he’s actually helping putin cover it up

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:10:39pm

Lock Them Up!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:12:14pm
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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:13:30pm
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SteelPH  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:14:15pm

Let’s hope Chucky Cheeseface gets bankrupted.

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:14:49pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Emma Gonzalez survived the worst high school shooting in American history. Yet she is the one speaking out, calling for change, and trying to help our nation heal. Our children are the adults now. We’ve left them a world so dangerous and unstable that they’ve the ones who survived had to grow up faster

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:15:54pm

We have a freedom of the press but we do not have a right to call yourself a member of the press to publish outright lies that ruin lives.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:16:39pm

re: #15 bill d. (b.d.)

Lock Them Up!

Imma give that a classic O’K’…not that BS white power bullshit these idiots throw.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:19:02pm

re: #18 SteelPH

And Gavin as well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:31:44pm

I see that the Right is fastening onto the FBI’s failure to follow up on on tips about Nikolas Cruz, as the Reason This All Happened.

Here’s what I want to know:

1) How specific was the tip?
2) How many tips do they get?
3) Where would the tip(s) about Cruz go, on the spectrum of all tips received?

I presume these run the gamut from obvious prank calls to “Holy shit! This guy’s about to go kill a bunch of people!” And it’s really easy in retrospect to find all the signs that this was going to happen. Maybe it’s the Scientist in me, but this is an N of 1, and we know what happened. How many others have a similar social media history and history of acting out, but never, ever go kill a bunch of people. Based on my experience of social media, there are LOTS AND LOTS of people out there making threats of all kinds of violence, right down to very specific threats against specific individuals.

Then there’s the question - what would the FBI have done? Come to his door to question him? Almost certainly they couldn’t get a warrant to search his place, and if they did, would they find anything illegal? And if they didn’t find anything, would any of this have prevented him legally buying an AR15? They almost certainly don’t have the manpower to watch every armed grumbler with a history of violent outbursts but no criminal record.

So, what would the FBI have done, even if the tip had percolated up to higher levels?

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wrenchwench  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:36:59pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

So, what would the FBI have done, even if the tip had percolated up to higher levels?

Probably something like this:

the FBI interviewed Atchison and his family but it closed the case because the man did not have a gun and did not commit a crime.

He killed two, in a town about the size of the school in Florida.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:39:16pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

Probably something like this:

He killed two, in a town about the size of the school in Florida.

It seems to me that we’re really great at determining who shouldn’t have had a gun, but not at all good determining who shouldn’t have a gun.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:39:29pm
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allegro  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:40:20pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

So, what would the FBI have done, even if the tip had percolated up to higher levels?

That’s been my question from the get-go. Without any laws on the books to enforce they can’t do shit. Neither can the neighbors or the family (as Emma called out - bless her, not a criticism of her) except perhaps to have the kid committed or something and that’s iffy and limited. Expensive too. Where’s the money coming from? GOP has dismantled every option. THAT is where the fingers need to point and stay pointed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:40:43pm

re: #26 Ace-o-aces

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:43:47pm

Is the ACLU going to come to the defense of these assholes and plead before the Court that lies are free speech?

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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:44:38pm

Speaking of grotesque GOPers (pronounced so it rhymes with “gropers”) who maliciously defame innocent people, remember this thread?

The mentions went about as well as you can expect:

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:45:32pm

re: #12 ObserverArt

Updinged this one Charles, before even reading it. I know how much you have worked to keep Chucky C. documented and well known for his tactics.

I do not upding the front page articles enough
I will be more vigilant

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:46:03pm

re: #27 allegro

That’s been my question from the get-go. Without any laws on the books to enforce they can’t do shit. Neither can the neighbors or the family (as Emma called out - bless her, not a criticism of her) except perhaps to have the kid committed or something and that’s iffy and limited. Expensive too. Where’s the money coming from? GOP has dismantled every option. THAT is where the fingers need to point and stay pointed.

I had a discussion with an otherwise mostly sensible friend about this, years ago. He thought there shouldn’t be a NICS check requirement, or any kind of registration, etc. He said we know who shouldn’t have guns, so we can prevent them getting them or take them away. I pointed out he was advocating getting rid of any mechanism for doing that.

He said, “No, I’m not”.

That pretty much was the end of that conversation.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:46:07pm

Bitcoin has rebounded. My vast holdings are worth about $60 now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:47:00pm

Just a friendly reminder to the folks at the NRA…

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:47:11pm

re: #29 Joe Bacon 🌹

Is the ACLU going to come to the defense of these assholes and plead before the Court that lies are free speech?

I expect them to.

Those who are fundamentalist about a given value do not stop just because they are suddenly faced with the fruits of their hypocracy…

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:48:29pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

well good on you for the 5k!

i made some adjustments since my depressive post last week and things are better.
more energy more strength. i’ve gotten up before the 5:30 alarm 8 days in a row with no sleep hangover.

and managed to run (not race) every day. about 30 miles total.
we just keep plugging

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:48:30pm

So now Greenwald has gone from denying Russian interference to retweeting this claptrap:

OF COURSE THE RUSSIANS ARE MEDDLING YOU DUMBASS, NOW YOU’RE OVERREACTING YOU STUPID, IGNORANT, REACTIONARY LOSER!!

Flailing is not pretty

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:48:33pm

re: #35 William Lewis

I expect them to.

Those who are fundamentalist about a given value do not stop just because they are suddenly faced with the fruits of their hypocracy…

Well there is that legal precedent about not shouting “fire” in a theater…but the Ohio Players can sing about it…

The Ohio Players - Fire

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:49:31pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well there is that legal precedent about not shouting “fire” in a theater…

Ah but there was no political value in allowing that for the puppet masters of the SCUSA.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:49:57pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well there is that legal precedent about not shouting “fire” in a theater…

I was thinking more of the Salem Witch Trials.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:51:22pm
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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:51:29pm

OT: Feh.

Apple Cider sucks. You can’t get drunk faster than it goes out in your piss.

Back to your regularly scheduled arguments.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:52:50pm

re: #42 William Lewis

OT: Feh.

Apple Cider sucks. You can’t get drunk faster than it goes out in your piss.

Back to your regularly scheduled arguments.

There is a reason Sam Adams is more popular than Johnny Appleseed.

//

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:53:28pm

re: #42 William Lewis

OT: Feh.

Apple Cider sucks. You can’t get drunk faster than it goes out in your piss.

Back to your regularly scheduled arguments.

Not the best tool for that particular project.

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:53:59pm

re: #43 bill d. (b.d.)

There is a reason Sam Adams is more popular than Johnny Appleseed.

//

Ah, exquisite. I tip my shot glass to you (I have grain as well as apples here… ;)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:54:42pm

Moose And Squirrel Revealed As Obama And Hillary

@badinoff62 @bestRealNatasha fearless leader vry mad u r fkps return all disguises stat

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:55:39pm

re: #43 bill d. (b.d.)

There is a reason Sam Adams is more popular than Johnny Appleseed.

//

Ah, but in early, hops-poor America, tasty cider was easier to make than tasty beer. And the water would kill you.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 12:58:48pm

re: #42 William Lewis

OT: Feh.

Apple Cider sucks. You can’t get drunk faster than it goes out in your piss.

Back to your regularly scheduled arguments.

“Hey look, mister, we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast and we don’t need any characters around to give the joint atmosphere.”

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:00:14pm

re: #32 Blind Frog Belly White

I had a discussion with an otherwise mostly sensible friend about this, years ago. He thought there shouldn’t be a NICS check requirement, or any kind of registration, etc. He said we know who shouldn’t have guns, so we can prevent them getting them or take them away. I pointed out he was advocating getting rid of any mechanism for doing that.

He said, “No, I’m not”.

That pretty much was the end of that conversation.

some people arent allowed to have guns. no one even argues that (much) any more.
i advocate a sort of no fly list system
with specific rules about how someone gets put on it
and a due process mechanism in case of error, because there will be some
and it must be accessible to everybody

i think once you’re on, once you lose your 2A privileges, you don’t get off

when im going to privately sell a gun i have to be able to determine if the person buying is allowed to own. otherwise the whole system is a sham.

i should keep that proof, so i can demonstrate later that i took reasonable care when i sold

i am not required to do a check. its my risk not to. and i may be judged negligent later and responsible for whatever that gun does, because i gave up (lost) control of it recklessly. i did not take even minimal reasonable care.

i’d be an idiot to do a check and not keep the proof - but i can do that too.

there must be a system. its use is strictly voluntary. and you accept the consequences of your decisions.

finally - with whatever i learn or dont from the check, i am not required to sell you a gun - even if im a dealer. you may have the “right” to keep and bear. No one has an obligation to sell to you. (public accommodation rules excepted)

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:00:24pm

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

Ah, but in early, hops-poor America, tasty cider was easier to make than tasty beer. And the water would kill you.

lol, life really must have sucked back then. If they had a good alcoholic drink then they might not have come up with bourbon?

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:00:43pm

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

Ah, but in early, hops-poor America, tasty cider was easier to make than tasty beer. And the water would kill you.

Major truth. People also don’t understand that Johnny Appleseed planted cider apples not dessert apples. ;)

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:02:23pm

re: #51 William Lewis

Major truth. People also don’t understand that Johnny Appleseed planted cider apples not dessert apples. ;)

I understand that he was a bit of a nutjob but I really can’t understand why he really isn’t a bigger national folk hero than he is?

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:03:26pm

re: #29 Joe Bacon 🌹

Is the ACLU going to come to the defense of these assholes and plead before the Court that lies are free speech?

Freedom of the press is not limitless
They can’t be reckless
And they’ll have a hard time saying they aren’t the media
Some of them even have white house credentials

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:03:42pm

re: #50 bill d. (b.d.)

lol, life really must have sucked back then. If they had a good alcoholic drink then they might not have come up with bourbon?

Apparently the early Americans tried a number of things to flavor and preserve beer, in the absence of hops. One was spruce buds. Anchor brewery, being history-minded and loving experimentation, once brewed a Spruce Beer, using spruce buds just like our ancestors.

It was horrible. Like the bastard child of beer and Pine Sol.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:03:50pm

re: #52 bill d. (b.d.)

I understand that he was a bit of a nutjob but I really can’t understand why he really isn’t a bigger national folk hero than he is?

i heard about him in grade school 50+ years ago

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:06:29pm

re: #55 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i heard about him in grade school 50+ years ago

Me too but I think they taught us about Paul Bunyan that same week.

He deserves a little more respect imho.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:06:35pm

re: #54 Blind Frog Belly White

Apparently the early Americans tried a number of things to flavor and preserve beer, in the absence of hops. One was spruce buds. Anchor brewery, being history-minded and loving experimentation, once brewed a Spruce Beer, using spruce buds just like our ancestors.

It was horrible. Like the bastard child of beer and Pine Sol.

as the founder and only member of the Society to Promote Beer Without Hops Let’s Party Like it’s 2000 BC Party i heartily endorse not putting hops OR pine sol in beer

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:07:49pm

Don’t get me started on freaking mead….

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:08:30pm

re: #54 Blind Frog Belly White

Apparently the early Americans tried a number of things to flavor and preserve beer, in the absence of hops. One was spruce buds. Anchor brewery, being history-minded and loving experimentation, once brewed a Spruce Beer, using spruce buds just like our ancestors.

It was horrible. Like the bastard child of beer and Pine Sol.

The utterly worst? Cock beer. Yes, a dead rooster was suspended in the ale to “flavor” it. I know a group that tried it once even knowing damn well it would be as hideous as we expected. I will always prefer a nice brown barley malt, a fair bit of hops and enough time to smooth the rough edges (which is what hops really gives it :)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:08:45pm

re: #56 bill d. (b.d.)

Me too but I think they taught us about Paul Bunyan that same week.

He deserves a little more respect imho.

i do recall getting the impression he was a mythical character like paul bunyan and being surprised later in life to find out he was a real person

btw i think it’s Perfectly Normal to wear a cookpot as a hat

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:08:48pm

re: #51 William Lewis

Major truth. People also don’t understand that Johnny Appleseed planted cider apples not dessert apples. ;)

Michael Pollan’s “The Botany Of Desire” has a great section on that. The eating and baking varieties we all know are all clonal, grown from cuttings taken from happy accidents of pollination and breeding. Trees grown from seeds are a total crap shoot, often nothing even remotely like the sweet, crispy apples they came from.

But good for cider!

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:10:22pm

re: #59 William Lewis

The utterly worst? Cock beer. Yes, a dead rooster was suspended in the ale to “flavor” it. I know a group that tried it once even knowing damn well it would be as hideous as we expected. I will always prefer a nice brown barley malt, a fair bit of hops and enough time to smooth the rough edges (which is what hops really gives it :)

You could easily resurrect that today what with Tide pods and that latest burn yourself on the stove idiocy

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Mike Lamb  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:10:50pm

The “the Russian group started in 2014 so Trump’s off the hook” is all kinds of stupid. Tell me what they did in 2016?

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:11:01pm

re: #58 bill d. (b.d.)

Don’t get me started on freaking mead….

Oh sweet lord, give me a pint or four of a good sweet mead. Perhaps, malomel? No matter, that’s an exquisite drunk and the only thing that makes it better is if the drinker is on their honeymoon.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:12:00pm

re: #54 Blind Frog Belly White

I had a really interesting sampler of Scottish beers using a mix of hops and older bittering agents. One was spruce tips, and it was actually alright. Another was some variety of seaweed…which I don’t remember being remarkable (which is crazy in its own right, because—fuckin’ seaweed beer). But then again, I like spruce-y gin and spruce-tip syrup, plus piney-y stuff like juniper and huajiao, so it may just be preference.

It you ever get the chance there’s a Japanese beer brand called Hitachino Nest. They do a beer that’s aged in a spruce cask, and it’s great. Kind of like an unusual IPA.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:12:41pm

According to an exhibit I saw years ago at a local museum in Indiana, whiskey was often used as currency in southern Indiana/northern Kentucky in the 1800s (probably true across the region into Appalachia).

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:14:54pm
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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:16:54pm

re: #64 William Lewis

Oh sweet lord, give me a pint or four of a good sweet mead. Perhaps, malomel? No matter, that’s an exquisite drunk and the only thing that make it better is if the drinker is on their honeymoon.

Red Stripe or a stout

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:17:18pm

re: #66 Barefoot Grin

According to an exhibit I saw years ago at a local museum in Indiana, whiskey was often used as currency in southern Indiana/northern Kentucky in the 1800s (probably true across the region into Appalachia).

In Moscow in the early 90’s, vodka was as good as currency: universally tradeable, indefinite shelf life and stable in value when the currency was inflating over 6,000 percent annually…

liquid assets indeed.

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William Lewis  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:19:43pm

re: #66 Barefoot Grin

According to an exhibit I saw years ago at a local museum in Indiana, whiskey was often used as currency in southern Indiana/northern Kentucky in the 1800s (probably true across the region into Appalachia).

Think about this - the first reaction against the US government was against taxes levied on Whiskey because that was the easiest way to save grain. As soon as a real US government existed they created excise taxes on whiskey. The growers of that grain rebelled and PRESIDENT George Washington called out the militia and lead it into battle. The only president that was forced to do so.

These are things the far right does not want you to know or understand.

These are things that the so called libertarians hate with a passion because it puts the lie to their illusion of freedom.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:20:24pm

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In Moscow in the early 90’s, vodka was as good as currency: universally tradeable, indefinite shelf life and stable in value when the currency was inflating over 6,000 percent annually…

liquid assets indeed.

I didn’t know that. It makes sense that anyone—Putin or otherwise—who could establish some kind of stability would be welcomed.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:20:34pm

re: #67 The Major

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:22:16pm

I’ve read that our ancestors, not knowing about germs but knowing that drinking water would give you the flux and lead to….

… drank cider or small beer as their primary liquid. Of course, the NEEDED liquid to handle all the salt-preserved and pickled food they ate, because there was no canning or refrigeration. Even small beer with breakfast.

So our ancestors were probably always slightly buzzed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:24:14pm

re: #70 William Lewis

Think about this - the first reaction against the US government was against taxes levied on Whiskey because that was the easiest way to save grain. As soon as a real US government existed they created excise taxes on whiskey. The growers of that grain rebelled and PRESIDENT George Washington called out the militia and lead it into battle. The only president that was forced to do so.

These are things the far right does not want you to know or understand.

These are things that the so called libertarians hate with a passion because it puts the lie to their illusion of freedom.

Raise less corn and more Hell!!!

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:24:29pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just a friendly reminder to the folks at the NRA…

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I am surprised the Australia number is not 0. Australia has not had a single mass shooting since 1996, defined as 4 or more people shot in a single incident. Perhaps there have been 5 single shooting incidents in schools, but even that would shock me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:24:47pm

re: #71 Barefoot Grin

I didn’t know that. It makes sense that anyone—Putin or otherwise—who could establish some kind of stability would be welcomed.

That was the plan: let chaos rule for a few years and the people welcomed a strong hand to put things back in order.

I heard enough people say in the early 90’s “So they gave us freedom of speech, but what good did that do us?”.

My response was that nobody gave them freedom of speech, that is a natural right we are all born with, they just stopped punishing people for exercising it.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:27:16pm

Today would be a good day for Trump to announce new measures to prevent any foreign government from interfering in our elections.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:30:02pm

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That was the plan: let chaos rule for a few years and the people welcomed a strong hand to put things back in order.

I heard enough people say in the early 90’s “So they gave us freedom of speech, but what good did that do us?”.

My response was that nobody gave them freedom of speech, that is a natural right we are all born with, they just stopped punishing people for exercising it.

I listened to an interesting podcast yesterday with an expert in Russian and Chinese journalism who said that after the fall of the USSR journalists were fearless and some average people thought too powerful and irresponsible. Now one of the only remaining independent newspapers has photos of all the murdered reporters on their lobby wall so that interns will know viscerally what they’re getting into. (Whereas in China you get warned, then you lose your job and your family is blacklisted, and then if you persist you disappear into the prison system.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:32:14pm

re: #78 Barefoot Grin

I listened to an interesting podcast yesterday with an expert in Russian and Chinese journalism who said that after the fall of the USSR journalists were fearless and some average people thought too powerful and irresponsible. Now one of the only remaining independent newspapers has photos of all the murdered reporters on their lobby wall so that interns will know viscerally what they’re getting into. (Whereas in China you get warned, then you lose your job and your family is blacklisted, and then if you persist you disappear into the prison system.)

I had a journalist friend in Moscow in 1992 who was showing me his gun collection. I remember asking him then why he though he needed such a thing…

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:37:10pm
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whitebeach  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:38:39pm

re: #42 William Lewis

OT: Feh.

Apple Cider sucks. You can’t get drunk faster than it goes out in your piss.

Hold my beer and watch this.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:38:56pm

re: #80 The Major

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Or, put another way, Hillary Clinton was such a good candidate that the GOP only defeated her with the help of a hostile foreign government.

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:39:09pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:39:36pm

Yup

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Kragar  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:41:12pm
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Frenchy  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:41:49pm

Until someone faces real consequences, the right wing misinformation ministers will persist, and that bubble of alternate reality will continue to thrive and do very real damage to individuals’ lives and to the country as a whole.

So, good for the plaintiffs, and I hope they take those scumbags for everything they’re worth.

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allegro  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:43:00pm

re: #82 Blind Frog Belly White

Or, put another way, Hillary Clinton was such a good candidate that the GOP only defeated her with the help of a hostile foreign government.

And still lost the popular vote by 3 million. Knowing voter rolls were hacked and used I am not at all convinced that the vote counts weren’t altered as well in 1 to 4 states in particular.

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:43:01pm

re: #73 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve read that our ancestors, not knowing about germs but knowing that drinking water would give you the flux and lead to….

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… drank cider or small beer as their primary liquid. Of course, the NEEDED liquid to handle all the salt-preserved and pickled food they ate, because there was no canning or refrigeration. Even small beer with breakfast.

So our ancestors were probably always slightly buzzed.

maybe that explains the backhanded grammar in the Constitution (cf 2A)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:44:06pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

This is what happens when you have barrow wights from the ’80s doing your event planning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:44:08pm

re: #86 Frenchy

Until someone faces real consequences, the right wing misinformation ministers will persist, and that bubble of alternate reality will continue to thrive and do very real damage to individuals’ lives and to the country as a whole.

So, good for the plaintiffs, and I hope they take those scumbags for everything they’re worth.

This is not about stifling their First Amendment rights: they are just being expected to face the consequences of exercising those rights without thinking about who they affected.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:44:40pm

re: #89 The Ghost of a Flea

This is what happens when you have barrow wights from the ’80s doing your event planning.

Use Barry White instead!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:46:29pm

re: #42 William Lewis

OT: Feh.

Apple Cider sucks. You can’t get drunk faster than it goes out in your piss.

Back to your regularly scheduled arguments.

An ecologically responsible way to improve your fruit drink experience, for Lizards about to get another cold weather slam:

en.wikipedia.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:47:48pm

re: #42 William Lewis

OT: Feh.

Apple Cider sucks. You can’t get drunk faster than it goes out in your piss.

Back to your regularly scheduled arguments.

Our local organic apple farmer does a great 1.5% cider, I do not drink it for the buzz, the alcohol just lends a pleasant bite.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:47:52pm

re: #88 dangerman

maybe that explains the backhanded grammar in the Constitution (cf 2A)

“Sounds okay to me. Whaddya think, Madison? Madison? MADISON!?!? Aw, shit. Madison got hammered again and passed out. Just leave it. No way they’ll interpret that to mean that everybody gets to build his own arsenal, right?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:49:46pm

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our local organic apple farmer does a great 1.5% cider, I do not drink it for the buzz, the alcohol just lends a pleasant bite.

The son of one of my High School friends back in Apple Country has established a Ciderworks, using apples from his Dad’s orchard.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:50:20pm

re: #35 William Lewis

I expect them to.

Those who are fundamentalist about a given value do not stop just because they are suddenly faced with the fruits of their hypocracy…

I can’t think of a time when the ACLU has defended libel, although I also find them too free with their defense of “speech” sometimes.

(Long-time contributor)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:50:31pm

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Barry White is Chaotic Good.

Mar-a-Lago is pretty clearly Lawful Evil. Not happening.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:50:51pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

Yup

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re: #89 The Ghost of a Flea

This is what happens when you have barrow wights from the ’80s doing your event planning.

Damned necrodancers.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:51:34pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:52:59pm

re: #99 The Major

Isn’t a belt a waist of skin?
///////

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:53:45pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:54:25pm

re: #101 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I’d say ‘biggest’ not ‘best’.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:57:04pm

re: #99 The Major

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:58:31pm

re: #59 William Lewis

The utterly worst? Cock beer. Yes, a dead rooster was suspended in the ale to “flavor” it. I know a group that tried it once even knowing damn well it would be as hideous as we expected. I will always prefer a nice brown barley malt, a fair bit of hops and enough time to smooth the rough edges (which is what hops really gives it :)

Sounds almost as tasty as Icelandic fermented shark. Which I tried for the experience. Once.

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:59:21pm

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That was the plan: let chaos rule for a few years and the people welcomed a strong hand to put things back in order.

I heard enough people say in the early 90’s “So they gave us freedom of speech, but what good did that do us?”.

My response was that nobody gave them freedom of speech, that is a natural right we are all born with, they just stopped punishing people for exercising it.

this is important. and yes to some extent it is framing

american slaves werent “given their freedom” or “granted rights”.
those rights were always there. the system - the states and complicit federal governments, and the regionals and the locals - all the institutional and law enforcement levels suppressed and punished their ability to exercise the same natural rights as everybody else.

emancipation proclamation - 1863
CRA 1964
and there is STILL systemic discrimination (let alone racism and bigotry)
a very long row to hoe just to get to “liberty and justice for all

“interracial marriage”? it was the law that didnt allow it. nothing cosmic, natural or unalienable.

and the same is true today w/r/t the gay movement. they arent “getting anything new”. society is taking the long way around in recognizing that issues that mostly have not been thought of before have been institutionally ingrained. that instituionality has to be undone. and that can be complicated because of “the way things have always been”.

in all these cases it “seems” like they are “getting” something. that is only because they’ve been deprived it. when in fact they are “getting something back” that was taken from them by force.

it really boils down to the fact that the CRA, the gay movement. arent asking for anything extra.
only that liberty and just for all means for all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 1:59:41pm

re: #104 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Sounds almost as tasty as Icelandic fermented shark. Which I tried for the experience. Once.

I’m totally willing to learn from your experience.

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:01:19pm

re: #80 The Major

Hillary Clinton spent $1.2 billion to lose. If Russians could just spend a couple hundred thou to swing the election, why didn’t she just do that?

If Russian collusion is real, Hillary was too dumb to be President. If it’s not, she’s too corrupt.

if i could successfully rob a bank in one afternoon, why have a job?

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Frenchy  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:03:58pm

re: #101 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Good grief I expect it from all the racist Twitter eggs but it is so disrespectful for someone in an official and highly visible government position to refer to a former President as “Obama.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:05:18pm

re: #107 dangerman

if i could successfully rob a bank in one afternoon, why have a job?

Don’t tempt me. In a couple weeks, I have to give performance reviews for my group. You can imagine how much I’d prefer to retire with millions of dollars, ill-gotten or not.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:05:31pm

re: #95 Blind Frog Belly White

The son of one of my High School friends back in Apple Country has established a Ciderworks, using apples from his Dad’s orchard.

Ohio has some great apple orchards. Some years the trees are almost breaking the branches are hanging low with so many apples.

I used to do some advertising work for a company that distributed glass, metal and plastic packing such as bottle, cans and other containers.

It was all started on the need to have a supply for their apple orchards cranking out all the cider they made in the fall. Then they started to sell to other Ohio orchards and suddenly they had a good sized business. Then they of course sold to other businesses.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:05:55pm

Vicente Fox was quoted in a Fox News interview on Trump’s racist streak….

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fern01  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:10:44pm

re: #108 Frenchy

Good grief I expect it from all the racist Twitter eggs but it is so disrespectful for someone in an official and highly visible government position to refer to a former President as “Obama.”

No-one with an ounce of self respect - or a knowledge of speaking respectfully about anyone would work for this administration. It’s a feature of working for trump that you speak disparagingly about anyone outside of the family.

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:12:19pm

re: #104 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Sounds almost as tasty as Icelandic fermented shark. Which I tried for the experience. Once.

there were likely at least ten warnings in those three innocent words

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:12:53pm

There is only a short time, perhaps days, for the remaining few sane republicans to try to scrape off the slime they’ve mired themselves in.

Prominent Republican Donor Issues Ultimatum on Assault Weapons

nytimes.com

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:16:16pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Barrow Wight: UNLEASH THE SOLID GOLD NECRODANCERS

Party planner: I don’t even know what that is. Also, do you need maybe take a moment and…moisturize? You look kind of dry. Like, to ashy what plasma is to gas.

Barrow Wight: THE SALT AIR PRESERVES ME, PERMITS ME TO SERVE THE ANCIENT PACT WITH THE HAIR. IA IA SCALP REDUCTION FTHAGN

Party planner: …huh. That sounds like a lawyer thing. About the event tonight?

Barrow Wight: WE CELEBRATE THE NECROMANTIC ENGINE STUDIO 54 AND ITS COCAINE MUMMIES. I SHALL RELEASE THE OILED-UP TWINKS FROM THEIR STORAGE IN THE RUM CASKS.

Party planner: Okay, so disco night?

Barrow Wight: DEBAUCH. THE CONSUMPTION OF MARTINIS FROM FLESICHMAN’S SKULL. THE HAIR CRAVES COOLNESS, WE SHALL SUMMON THE SOUL OF ANDY WARHOL AND COMPEL IT TO MAKE PRINTS.

Party planner: Soul of Andy Warhol? That’s an added expense. We don’t keep necromancers on staff with that level of power. Generally, we can only get away with say, Scott Baio, without the guardians of the portal to the Burning Nowhere filing a complaint.

Barrow Wight: BAIO LIVES. I FOLLOW HIS FEEDING ON TWITTER.

Party planner: Alive? Not in any meaningful sense.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:16:40pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

There is only a short time, perhaps days, for the remaining few sane republicans to try to scrape off the slime they’ve mired themselves in.

Prominent Republican Donor Issues Ultimatum on Assault Weapons

nytimes.com

If he somehow has any sway with the Koch Bros. look the hell out. The NRA may not have enough bucks to match or carry campaigns. Heat is on…pressure is increasing…

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Frenchy  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:17:24pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

That rare Republican with a shred of integrity and intellectual honesty. It seems almost quaint. And like the article notes, unlikely to have much effect.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:17:54pm

re: #115 The Ghost of a Flea

Best yet.

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BeachDem  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:18:55pm

re: #40 bill d. (b.d.)

I was thinking more of the Salem Witch Trials.

re: #43 bill d. (b.d.)

There is a reason Sam Adams is more popular than Johnny Appleseed.

//

For some reason, these two comments took me back to grade school. We did a “Johnny Appleseed” operetta in 5th grade. My character was named Melanie—when Melanie first appeared, the chorus sang, “Melanie. Melanie. Hardly a witch’s name. But still, you can’t be certain when the devil’s playing his game.”

That’s about all I remember (it was, after all, almost 60 years ago)—never have been able to find the libretto.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:19:37pm

re: #117 Frenchy

That rare Republican with a shred of integrity and intellectual honesty. It seems almost quaint. And like the article notes, unlikely to have much effect.

They’re not going to save the country. Time is running out to save their souls.

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:23:47pm

i just watched this again. i pull out the series from time to time

this is an immigration debate 34 years ago!

YouTube

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:24:38pm

I just saw that trump.dating site.

Make America Sterile Again.

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Citizen K  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:26:56pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:28:30pm

re: #117 Frenchy

That rare Republican with a shred of integrity and intellectual honesty. It seems almost quaint. And like the article notes, unlikely to have much effect.

Also noted that Parkland is sort of in his back yard. If we can spare enough highschools, perhaps we can convince them all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:28:48pm

re: #105 dangerman

this is important. and yes to some extent it is framing

The whole basis of the Enlightenment and our system of government is that we possess “certain inalienable rights”, these basically being the right to do whatever does not infringe on others’ inalienable rights.

And this is how I try to view all other people’s actions: I need not approve but I cannot object unless their actions have a negative effect on how I exercise my rights.

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TedStriker  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:29:44pm

re: #14 dangerman

in light of stuff like McMaster: Evidence of Russian meddling is ‘now really incontrovertible’

they’re already saying if he keeps dismissing the investigation, refusing to acknowledge what the russians did in 2016, then he’s actually helping putin cover it up

Well, he is.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:32:00pm

re: #119 BeachDem

For some reason, these two comments took me back to grade school. We did a “Johnny Appleseed” operetta in 5th grade. My character was named Melanie—when Melanie first appeared, the chorus sang, “Melanie. Melanie. Hardly a witch’s name. But still, you can’t be certain when the devil’s playing his game.”

That’s about all I remember (it was, after all, almost 60 years ago)—never have been able to find the libretto.

:)

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:32:03pm

re: #126 TedStriker

Well, he is.

Helping to cover it up and preparing the next attack. The Russian Mafia is at the gates, and the GOP is determined to keep the drawbridge down.

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TedStriker  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:32:23pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just a friendly reminder to the folks at the NRA…

ENGLAND: 0
GREECE: 1
NETHERLANDS: 1
SPAIN: 1
INDIA: 1
ARGENTINA: 1
RUSSIA: 1
CHINA: 3
MEXICO: 4
AUSTRALIA: 5
CANADA: 5
GERMANY: 5
SOUTH AFRICA: 5
USA: 212

— ally (@wildnestor) February 15, 2018

‘Merica, fuck yeah!

/infinity

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:33:17pm

re: #129 TedStriker

‘Merica, fuck yeah!

/infinity

comin’ along to save the Motherf***in’ day, yeah!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:34:30pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just a friendly reminder to the folks at the NRA…

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All of those countries must have Christian prayer in schools!!

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:35:13pm

OT: The rain to sleet to snow has started falling in Philly. It is going to be a mess.
weather.gov

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:36:51pm

re: #132 PhillyPretzel

OT: The rain to sleet to snow has started falling in Philly. It is going to be a mess.
weather.gov

That should at least put out the last of the Super Bowl celebration fires?

//

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:37:57pm

re: #133 bill d. (b.d.)

lol. My ward leader is a big Eagles fan. Personally I think he is still celebrating at home.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:38:37pm

re: #132 PhillyPretzel

OT: The rain to sleet to snow has started falling in Philly. It is going to be a mess.
weather.gov

I recall 1978 in Chicago: 4” of sleet topped by 4” of snow and then another 4” of sleet…shut the town down completely, to be followed by temps down below -27°F.

That was the year I moved to Arizona.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:42:39pm

At first I misread the headline as. “…falsely linking Michelin Men to Charlottesville attack.”

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:48:21pm

Okay, the trump dating site is a hoot. The fakes are out in full force.

gunstrumpgirl
20, FLINT US-MICHIGAN

SEEKING Men
Please sir help me find husband so I can stay in great country of u s a, trump is great man and I need great man to help me make my happy.

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TedStriker  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:49:12pm

re: #73 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve read that our ancestors, not knowing about germs but knowing that drinking water would give you the flux and lead to….

[Embedded content]

… drank cider or small beer as their primary liquid. Of course, the NEEDED liquid to handle all the salt-preserved and pickled food they ate, because there was no canning or refrigeration. Even small beer with breakfast.

So our ancestors were probably always slightly buzzed.

When given how many people worldwide lived short, often brutal, existences up through the last century or so in most of the world, staying loaded would be just about the only way to tolerate life.

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:49:48pm

hey, remember infrastructure week?

me neither.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:49:49pm

re: #137 Ace Rothstein

Okay, the trump dating site is a hoot. The fakes are out in full force.

gunstrumpgirl
20, FLINT US-MICHIGAN

SEEKING Men
Please sir help me find husband so I can stay in great country of u s a, trump is great man and I need great man to help me make my happy.

So, are the women there sTrumpets?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:50:44pm

re: #138 TedStriker

When given how, up through the last century or so in most of the world, many people worldwide lived short, often brutal, existences, staying loaded would be just about the only way to tolerate life.

Back when you had to have 6 kids to end up with 2-3 adult children.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:51:11pm

re: #139 dangerman

hey, remember infrastructure week?

me neither.

Failed on the 3rd try

Or was this the 4th?

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:51:57pm

re: #73 Blind Frog Belly White

re: #138 TedStriker

If you get a chance to watch “The Botany of Desire” check out the section on apples. The video is a Prime selection with Amazon.

amazon.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:52:59pm

in a semiautomatic.

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TedStriker  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:53:17pm

re: #141 Blind Frog Belly White

Back when you had to have 6 kids to end up with 2-3 adult children.

And even that was no guarantee.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:54:14pm

re: #145 TedStriker

And even that was no guarantee.

And ‘died in childbirth’ was a popular way to check out.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:57:09pm

OK get this. I have to work this weekend on estimating for a bunch of

WNboXrORu6gLT7hni0lXH6IN9wjIt23h

They have this massive portal with all their architecture plans etc.etc.etc. It’s always a bullshit bear to deal with, but today is special.

Not working - check this error message

500 Error: You have reached an unexpected realm within the deepest archives of this digital dimension. Please note the actions that lead you here and notify your support team of this rip in the application layer.

wtf

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:58:35pm

re: #147 Stanley Sea

tYmNbwRGELMDwkNjnKJikNbUk0Bb6VgN8FSZSoQ+Unvb9Lb2a9fLu1PdQ7Yr5kwLge6MtlgFLNE=

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:58:55pm

re: #144 Blind Frog Belly White

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in a semiautomatic.

Trump may be playing 3 dimensional chess but please remember that there is no such thing as 3 dimensional chess.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:59:34pm

re: #145 TedStriker

And even that was no guarantee.

Bach was 10 for 20, with two wives, and they were burgher-class.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 2:59:46pm

TrumpsTopBitch
23, RICHMOND US-VIRGINIA

SEEKING Men
I wanna build a wall around your heart. God bless Trump.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:00:54pm

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

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jihUKwbfHfTsCnhnAOXwbpJZF5vrCNJ/

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:01:08pm

re: #151 Ace Rothstein

Honestly I would not use that screen name.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:01:27pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Bach was 10 for 20, with two wives, and they were burgher-class.

Cheese, Steak or Turkey?

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:01:33pm

re: #139 dangerman

hey, remember infrastructure week?

me neither.

I don’t remember Thursday.

Friday came.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:08:39pm

re: #42 William Lewis

OT: Feh.

Apple Cider sucks. You can’t get drunk faster than it goes out in your piss.

Back to your regularly scheduled arguments.

I really like hard cider. YMMV….

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:12:23pm

re: #156 Scottish Dragon

I really like hard cider. YMMV….

I have a small bottle of Crown Apple in my bar and will probably always will

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dangerman  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:14:12pm

re: #121 dangerman

i just watched this again. i pull out the series from time to time

this is an immigration debate 34 years ago!

[Embedded content]

Video

spend an hour
the same damn questions we are still discussing today

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:19:24pm

re: #9 dangerman

I think not for any special reason about Parkland that this new idea (to me) is starting to gel. maybe it has some merit if it can be distilled down into a shorter pithy sentence.

the nra wants the shootings to start
all their suggestions assume there is already shooting
they have no shooting prevention solutions

School shootings goose gun sales, why would they want them to stop?

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Mike Lamb  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:21:45pm

re: #156 Scottish Dragon

I really like hard cider. YMMV….

Cider isn’t my fave, but I like it every now and again. There are some tasty cideries I’m the Denver area.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:24:25pm

LeBron James at the NBA All-Star weekend festivities talks back to Laura Ingraham. I can hear the howls from here. Good for LeBron for deciding to take the heat for these statements. Because he will be getting it.

LeBron James has no plans to ‘shut up and dribble’

LeBron James reiterated his position that he will not use his platform as an NBA superstar to just dribble a basketball, saying he will continue to “talk about what’s really important.”

James made his first public comments Saturday since Fox News host Laura Ingraham criticized the Cleveland Cavaliers star for speaking out on the state of race relations in America and his view of the leadership in the White House.

“I will not just shut up and dribble,” James said after All-Star practice. “… So, thank you, whatever her name is. … I get to sit up here and talk about what’s really important and how I can help change kids.”

Ingraham had said James should “keep the political commentary to yourself. Or as someone once said, ‘Shut up and dribble.’”

James initially responded with an Instagram post that contained a photo with the words “I am more than an athlete” and was captioned with #wewillnotshutupanddribble.

“It lets me know that everything I’ve been saying is correct for her to have that type of reaction,” James said of Ingraham. “But we will definitely not shut up and dribble. I will definitely not do that. I mean too much to society, I mean too much to the youth, I mean too much to so many kids that feel like they don’t have a way out and they need someone to help lead them out of the situation they’re in.”

Saying he doesn’t mind being a symbol, James referenced past outspoken sports figures Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown, Bill Russell and Jackie Robinson and said they all were not looking for rewards for their political commentary.

“We know it’s bigger than us. It’s not about us,” James said. “I’m going to continue to do what I have to do to play this game that I love to play, but this is bigger than me playing the game of basketball.”

James also discussed the impact that the new Marvel film “Black Panther” could have on African-American children as a possible inspiration. He then expressed his remorse for the victims of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, saying there have been too many tragedies like that in the past 10 years without change.

… more at link

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:25:17pm

re: #156 Scottish Dragon

I really like hard cider. YMMV….

My English friend used to say that cider would drink like apple juice and before you know it you’d be on your ass.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:27:01pm

Promoted from dead thread:

re: #164 Renaissance_Man

It takes them being black, or brown, or some other ‘dangerous’ social class.

The US firearm system is working as intended. The system is not designed to keep weapons out of the hands of insane white males. If it was, it might actually happen sometimes, and gun deaths might decline, instead of rising. Gun massacres are an intended feature of American life - they stimulate gun sales, they keep people fearful, stimulating more sales and the social and political constructs that keep American people in a constant state of depraved indifference.

Americans believe that guns are for shooting other people in normal civilian life. This is a mindset that is so alien to those of us who did not grow up here, yet so ingrained in the national consciousness that the average American cannot conceive of it any other way. As long as everyday, commonplace gun deaths are the province of ‘those people’ - black thugs, gangbangers, etc. - and gun massacres are a privilege of white men, the American system is exactly as it is supposed to be.

In the wave of popular “adult” TV westerns in the late 50s, early 60s, this was exactly right. The programs were built thematically around a flawed, sometimes tormented central character, with a gun as symbolic talisman.

The Rifleman, Have Gun Will Travel, Gunsmoke, and literally dozens of others were often beautifully written and acted (it was a very profitable business after all) and they always involved some sort of moral lesson, with Bible quotes in abundance. They also displayed a (largely mythical) world where guns were everyday accoutrements and gunplay a routine method of problem solving.

The Rifleman has been justly praised for the extraordinary on-screen chemistry between Chuck Connors as widowed father Lucas McCain (the Rifleman himself) and John Crawford as his son Mark, and for its insightful portrayal of parenting. The show was not especially violent by early 60s standards. Nevertheless, Lucas managed to shoot and kill over 120 bad guns during the show’s 5 year run.

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Jay C  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:27:03pm

re: #54 Blind Frog Belly White

Apparently the early Americans tried a number of things to flavor and preserve beer, in the absence of hops. One was spruce buds. Anchor brewery, being history-minded and loving experimentation, once brewed a Spruce Beer, using spruce buds just like our ancestors.

It was horrible. Like the bastard child of beer and Pine Sol.

Yet, at the time, those Early Americans probably guzzled the stuff down like it was the finest Rheingeheit lager, and didn’t complain….

Geez: step away from LGF into meatworld for a couple of hours, and you’re suddenly 135 comments behind! Maybe it’s been asked-and-answered, but who - besides Chuckles The Evil Clown, Dim Jim and Paul (Paul Ryan’s Imaginary Nemesis) Nehlen are the other 18 individuals named? I know GotNews LLC (presumably Freedom Daily is some other asshole’s Internet cesspit), but most are unknown to me. Should I even ask???

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:29:23pm

re: #70 William Lewis

Think about this - the first reaction against the US government was against taxes levied on Whiskey because that was the easiest way to save grain. As soon as a real US government existed they created excise taxes on whiskey. The growers of that grain rebelled and PRESIDENT George Washington called out the militia and lead it into battle. The only president that was forced to do so.

These are things the far right does not want you to know or understand.

These are things that the so called libertarians hate with a passion because it puts the lie to their illusion of freedom.

The Constitution is clear. The 2d Amendment doesn’t exist to allow rebellion against the federal government. The purpose of the “well regulated militia” is to suppress rebellions.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:29:58pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:31:08pm

re: #164 Jay C

Yet, at the time, those Early Americans probably guzzled the stuff down like it was the finest Rheingeheit lager, and didn’t complain….

Geez: step away from LGF into meatworld for a couple of hours, and you’re suddenly 135 comments behind! Maybe it’s been asked-and-answered, but who - besides Chuckles The Evil Clown, Dim Jim and Paul (Paul Ryan’s Imaginary Nemesis) Nehlen are the other 18 individuals named? I know GotNews LLC (presumably Freedom Daily is some other asshole’s Internet cesspit), but most are unknown to me. Should I even ask???

That’ll teach you to spend time in the real world. You miss so much!!
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:32:49pm

re: #161 ObserverArt

I wish Lebron had asked whatever her name is what it was like while at Dartmouth to secretly tape gay student meetings and then sending those tapes to their parents effectively outing them. She’s a heartless bitch, I can’t stand her.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:33:56pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Promoted from dead thread:

In the wave of popular “adult” TV westerns in the late 50s, early 60s, this was exactly right. The programs were built thematically around a flawed, sometimes tormented central character, with a gun as symbolic talisman.

The Rifleman, Have Gun Will Travel, Gunsmoke, and literally dozens of others were often beautifully written and acted (it was a very profitable business after all) and they always involved some sort of moral lesson, with Bible quotes in abundance. They also displayed a (largely mythical) world where guns were everyday accoutrements and gunplay a routine method of problem solving.

The Rifleman has been justly praised for the extraordinary on-screen chemistry between Chuck Connors as widowed father Lucas McCain (the Rifleman himself) and John Crawford as his son Mark, and for its insightful portrayal of parenting. The show was not especially violent by early 60s standards. Nevertheless, Lucas managed to shoot and kill over 120 bad guns during the show’s 5 year run.

Thank you. This is exactly the point I’ve wanted to make to the several in my FB who claim that violent video games, and not guns, are responsible for school shootings and that we need more guns: the idea that it’s ‘common sense’ to have everyone armed came from somewhere in American mythohistory.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:35:03pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:39:01pm

Stocks Rise for Maker of AR-15 Rifle Used in the Florida School Shooting

Stocks were up Thursday for American Outdoor Brands, the company that makes the AR-15 rifle used in the Florida school shooting that claimed 17 lives.

The company’s shares closed up 1.49%, netting the company an additional $8.8 million on the day.

The Associated Press reported that accused gunman Nikolas Cruz used a Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifle - a variant of the AR-15 - during his allegedly shooting spree at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on Wednesday.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:40:26pm

Seeing this making the rounds on social media again:

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:42:40pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

“…But, again, Switzerland does not require “citizens to own guns.”

The government issues a gun to men for their mandatory military service, but the gun is taken home under “carefully controlled conditions without ammunition,” said Mikton, the WHO officer who is also Swiss.

“As soon as they have finished their military service — typically around 30 years of age — they have to return the gun,” he said.

Swiss gun laws are more strict than the post implies, though less tough than some other European Union countries. Swiss law requires mandatory background checks on civilian handgun purchases and licenses for the concealed carry of weapons, and it bans automatic weapons.”
politifact.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:43:16pm

re: #156 Scottish Dragon

Ever try Rekorderlig?

My fave.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:46:08pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:46:21pm

re: #173 jaunte

And to get a gun(s) in Switzerland, you have to apply for a permit FOR EACH ONE. You have to a license just like a car.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:47:27pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

politifact.com

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:48:49pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

Seeing this making the rounds on social media again:

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Yay, let’s compare ourselves to Honduras.

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Jay C  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:49:12pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

Seeing this making the rounds on social media again:

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Both those statements are misleadingly false, aren’t they? “Homicide rates” and “gun bans” don’t exactly correlate, and Switzerland’s “requirements to own guns” would be considered an unacceptably high level of “government interference” by US gun nuts; assuming they knew anything about Swiss laws/customs/practices re firearms*, which is highly doubtful.

*Or Israel’s: another widely/wildly misinterpreted “gun state” by American gun-fetishists

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:50:06pm

re: #169 Barefoot Grin

Thank you. This is exactly the point I’ve wanted to make to the several in my FB who claim that violent video games, and not guns, are responsible for school shootings and that we need more guns: the idea that it’s ‘common sense’ to have everyone armed came from somewhere in American mythohistory.

Most 19th century western towns prohibited the open carry of firearms. Actual cowboys and farmers often did carry guns on the job, as many (including my humble self) still do, but it would not cross their minds to head into town with the iron still on their hip. In the real Dodge City Kansas, arriving cowboys were required to turn their guns in at the town marshal’s office and pick them up on the way out. Violators were fined, jailed, and sometimes shot down in the streets. Yet the routine display of the big handgun in its holster is an integral part of nearly every TV western, every trip to the general store, the sheriff’s office, the telegraph station; even churches, weddings, and funerals required a holstered handgun.

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:51:38pm

re: #176 Ace Rothstein

And to get a gun(s) in Switzerland, you have to apply for a permit FOR EACH ONE. You have to a license just like a car.

re: #178 Belafon

Yay, let’s compare ourselves to Honduras.

Details. Details.

It’s the new digital content wars.

There are political points to be made. And then refuted.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:52:11pm

re: #174 Unshaken Defiance

Ever try Rekorderlig?

My fave.

Bold Rock Cider here in NC is real good. Thinking about trying Black Widow, which uses blackberries with the cider.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:53:09pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Promoted from dead thread:

In the wave of popular “adult” TV westerns in the late 50s, early 60s, this was exactly right. The programs were built thematically around a flawed, sometimes tormented central character, with a gun as symbolic talisman.

The Rifleman, Have Gun Will Travel, Gunsmoke, and literally dozens of others were often beautifully written and acted (it was a very profitable business after all) and they always involved some sort of moral lesson, with Bible quotes in abundance. They also displayed a (largely mythical) world where guns were everyday accoutrements and gunplay a routine method of problem solving.

The Rifleman has been justly praised for the extraordinary on-screen chemistry between Chuck Connors as widowed father Lucas McCain (the Rifleman himself) and John Crawford as his son Mark, and for its insightful portrayal of parenting. The show was not especially violent by early 60s standards. Nevertheless, Lucas managed to shoot and kill over 120 bad guns during the show’s 5 year run.

Gunsmoke held the body count record for some time. We were still getting it on AFKN in B&W in 1981.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:55:50pm

origsin.com

“One shows me how to lie down in a field of clover.
Another how to slip my hand under her Sunday skirt.
Another how to kiss with a mouth full of blackberries.
Another how to catch fireflies in jar after dark.”

— Charles Simic, Summer in the Country

Color me intrigued….

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Jay C  Feb 17, 2018 • 3:57:01pm

BTW, started snowing like a (moderate) sumbitch here in the Scenic Berkshires(tm) about 6:40 ET: forecast calls for 2-4” of snow overnight/till 7:00am : I hope they’re right (as in “ONLY 2-4”)

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ozharas  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:02:33pm

re: #75 Renaissance_Man

I am surprised the Australia number is not 0. Australia has not had a single mass shooting since 1996, defined as 4 or more people shot in a single incident. Perhaps there have been 5 single shooting incidents in schools, but even that would shock me.

The tweeter has clarified in following tweets - she was looking at a wrong list for Australia, not a list of deaths.

The true count is 1 - a shooting at a university that killed two people, in 2002.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:10:56pm

The NRA once supported gun control

The NRA President at the time, Karl T. Frederick, a 1920 Olympic gold-medal winner for marksmanship who became a lawyer, praised the new state gun controls in Congress. “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons,” he testified before the 1938 law was passed. “I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:13:21pm

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:14:37pm

re: #187 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The NRA once supported gun control

I believe it. America seems to have had a very bad reaction to the political enfranchisement of black people and women in the postwar era.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:15:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:17:15pm

I really REALLY hate this shithead

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:20:31pm

It is snowing in Philly. :(

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:21:23pm
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Jay C  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:21:40pm

BBIAB: gotta go grill dinner on the barbecue in the snow.

(Mrs. Jay - bless her - thinks of this as a form of mild insanity - I think many Lizards will disagree….)

ADD: Just saw the “Special Weather Statement” for the region for tonight: basically: “Shit-Ton of Snow: don’t travel!” Glad the barbecue is only a few feet from the door.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:24:21pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really REALLY hate this shithead

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He really needs to shut the fuck up.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:30:34pm

I am seeing that the ratings are down but I am really digging this winter Olympics.

It also reminds me how stupidily ridiculous it must have been to try and take that terrain during the war in any season

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:31:53pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really REALLY hate this shithead

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Seems like only 2 weeks ago that Trump was asking us to work together.

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calochortus  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:37:11pm

re: #197 bill d. (b.d.)

Seems like only 2 weeks ago that Trump was asking us to work together.

Yeah, but it was working together to do what he wanted.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:38:22pm

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Citizen K  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:39:34pm

re: #199 Ace Rothstein

Yes, yes he is.

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CleverToad  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:41:47pm

re: #160 Mike Lamb

Cider isn’t my fave, but I like it every now and again. There are some tasty cideries I’m the Denver area.

Suggestions?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:50:51pm

re: #196 bill d. (b.d.)

Well NBC coverage sucks so I’m sure that’s impacting ratings.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:53:41pm
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Cheechako  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:54:54pm

Spruce Tip Bear is still available:

Spruce IPA

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 4:59:40pm

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

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Europe allows abortions. Please explain again, sober this time, Peggy. Then again, maybe you’d make more sense drunk.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:02:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:03:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:05:34pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really REALLY hate this shithead

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Says the man who keeps bitching about the filibuster.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:07:03pm

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

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What Peggy ignores is the Powell Memorandum laying out the infiltration of Ayn Rand’s Objectivism into every facet of American society.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:07:38pm

re: #190 jaunte

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:14:09pm

re: #209 Joe Bacon 🌹

What Peggy ignores is the Powell Memorandum laying out the infiltration of Ayn Rand’s Objectivism into every facet of American society.

Joe, do you have a political sciences background? You always pull up some great historical references. The Powell Memorandum just being one of them. Good stuff. I’m reading Powell’s Wiki entry just as a refresher.

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Skip Intro  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:14:10pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:17:17pm

re: #211 ObserverArt

Joe, do you have a political sciences background? You always pull up some great historic references. The Powell Memorandum just being one of them. Good stuff. I’m reading Powell’s Wiki entry just as a refresher.

Art just comes from being involved in labor and leftist policies inherited from my Mom, Dad and grandparents. At Pitt I double majored in economics and history. My MA came from Chicago where I had to handle the BS from the Chicago Boys.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:22:05pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:26:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:26:43pm

Lazed around all day till I had to take The Older Boy to work. Then finally gave Rango the walk he’d been begging for. The trees are all having sex. In fact, I’ll have to wash all the pine spunk off my car tomorrow.

Ma-ma-ma-man-zanita!
Deciduous Magnolia in a color I’d never seen
Some thing in the genus Prunus.
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:27:56pm

re: #215 jaunte

how many Hispanics are white supremacists?

Dunno, but I know of at least one South Asian who is.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:29:04pm

re: #215 jaunte

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:30:22pm

Last night I took an Uber to meet some friends of mine knowing I was going to booze it up. As we’re driving to the boozer, I noticed the driver also had a Lyft sticker on the windshield. I asked “What’s the difference between Uber and Lyft?” He replied “Lyft is really popular with colored people because it’s cheap…BUT I’M NOT RACIST OR ANYTHING.”

Uh-huh.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:30:54pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:31:20pm

“Soviets ‘intensely interested’ in 1988 U.S. campaign”
“Do the Russians have a Trump card?”

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:33:13pm

re: #215 jaunte

He’s in for the shock of his life.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:34:20pm

re: #215 jaunte

How many smarmy dickfaces are convicted felons?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:35:37pm

re: #222 Sea Mexican!

South America is full of Hispanics who are damned certain they’re white, and that all those brown and black Hispanics ain’t worth shit.

White is completely imaginary category, and it’s not a contradiction for their to be more than one version of “white supremacy” at play.

There’s a lot of Sudanese and Arabs that are damned certain they’re white, too, for that matter.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:37:51pm

re: #219 Ace Rothstein

Last night I took an Uber to meet some friends of mine knowing I was going to booze it up. As we’re driving to the boozer, I noticed the driver also had a Lyft sticker on the windshield. I asked “What’s the difference between Uber and Lyft?” He replied “Lyft is really popular with colored people because it’s cheap…BUT I’M NOT RACIST OR ANYTHING.”

Uh-huh.

Most drivers do both.

I’m going to download the Lyft & start using.

I’ll let you know if the service is worse.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:39:40pm

The more I’m thinking about this lawsuit against these assholes, I wonder how much $$$$ that the Mercer’s, Walton’s, Koch’s and their ilk will spend to defend their shit peddlers…

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:39:58pm

re: #225 Stanley Sea

Comparison

howtogeek.com

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:40:04pm

Fuck it.

I’m off the imaginary land of Wakanda.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:40:46pm

Just sent to James Fallows at the Atlantic.

I read your suggestion that current assault rifle owners (particularly of AR15 rifles or derivatives) might begin to recognize that the they don’t actually need to own such a weapon and possibly even turn them in.

I happen to own two similar weapons myself, and I readily admit that I do not need them. They are pleasurable to shoot, which I do not do all that often. Other than that, they lay in the top of my closet. My Revolutionary War reproduction Brown Bess musket gets far more use.

It also happens that I am a school teacher. I spent yesterday afternoon in class assuring 14 year old students it was okay to text their parents that all was well, after I observed several students earlier in the day replying to anxious missives from parents.

I told them their parents were a little freaked out. I told them I was a little freaked out also.

I did not tell them that I was livid with anger. I did not tell them I had not been able to sleep the last two nights because I was alternating between depression and rage. I did not tell them that otherwise rational adults were now insisting that I and other teachers should now bring handguns into our classrooms and pretend to be infantrymen on a potential battlefield in school every day, because it was even more unthinkable to simply not sell any more weapons of war to civilians!

I used to be a soldier. I served, mostly in the US Army Cavalry, from 1992 to 1996. I was on guard duty at the front gate of our post in Tongducheon, South Korea, the night we went on war alert that we getting read to attack the North Korean reactor complex at Yongbyon. I carried an M60 machine gun while I was there, and I was the door gunner for my helicopter. That was a long time ago: before I was badly and permanently injured working on a civilian jet passenger liner, before earning geology and history degrees, before earning a lot of grey in my hair. I turned 50 last year.

Like I said, I enjoy shooting my rifles. I also said they mostly sit in my closet untouched. I don’t need them. Nobody needs them. Many other people, like me, simply enjoy the hobby aspect of shooting them as I do. However, Red Dawn Wolverine fantasists who dream of Civil 2.0, and unreconstructed racists fending off the hordes of Michael Brown teens who menace their fever dreams are a very large part of the equation. They are the ones who largely drive the extreme margin of the gun rights debate.

In any event, we know the truth. The truth is the gun lobby, many of their supporters, and their lap dogs in government will willingly sacrifice our children…my students…and me as well…to their atavistic god of American military myth rather than just live with only a lever action rifle or a bolt action deer gun. This is the sheer insanity of it. They want me to go back to being a soldier. They want my colleagues who never even went to boot camp to now be soldiers with me on the new classroom battlefield so that they do not have to even stop selling any more of these things. This is how deranged and perverse our debate has become.

It won’t do any real good to unilaterally turn my weapons into police at this point, although I would do so if that is what we decide to do as a society without hesitation. Few other owners of similar weapons would do so. All too many have been prepping themselves for their guerilla war against gub’mint tyranny for 35 years and they will certainly not cheat themselves of their shabby uprising if we hand them the opportunity.

However…

We cannot dissuade ourselves that we must, at the very least, stop additional sales now! No more AR platforms in gunshops. No more Kalashnikovs or H&K carbines or whatever. No more detachable magazines of more than ten rounds. No more pandering to the nuts who dream of their own movie that they star in every night. No more attention paid to their sophist arguments on how to define what an assault rifle means, or insistence that killers will always find a way, or that silly liberals don’t know the difference between a real military weapon and (insert whatever AR clone here)…*

My 17 year old son is not up for the gun sacrifice lottery. My students are not up the gun sacrifice lottery. My colleagues and I are not up for the gun sacrifice lottery. I am not going to go back to being a door gunner in the hallway of my school so that an 18 year old unstable kid, or a 30 year old angry man, can buy a weapon, come to my place of mentorship and learning and then kill my students and my friends.

I’m not going to do that for you, fellow gun owners. I’m not going to do that for you, gun makers. I did my rifle carrying bit for the US of A. I am not going to do it now. My colleagues are not going to do it now. My students deserve a classroom where the threat is kept away in the first place. So do I and every other teacher.

We are not going to shut up. We are not going to go away. We are not going to be nice or polite. That cow left the barn.

We are angry, and we are going to make sure you know that we are angry. We are going to make sure you know that your right to buy a weapon of war does not outweigh our right to live and work in our classrooms. I can already hear the cries of hypocrisy directed at me, and maybe they are right. But I say I don’t need the assault rifles I have, and I say that if we all need to turn them in, then we need to turn them in. That is a decision we need to discuss and make. We already banned sales once before however, and we can do that right now if we have the will. Whatever we do from here, though, we are going to be in your faces and telling you that it is time to stop the insanity.

I am just getting started.

AnneMarie Dickey

*For all those pedantic folks who keep insisting an AR-15 is not a weapon of war because it is semi automatic and does not have a select fire capability: Go ask all those British troops who were killed by IRA insurgents in Belfast and Derry with American made AR-15 rifles during the Troubles in Northern Ireland. Of course, that would be hard since they are dead.

PS…you may use this and edit as you deem fit. Please withhold my name.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:43:45pm

Obligatory Rango Picture, this time aligning himself with the sun for maximum ray-catching…

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:44:35pm

I mentioned previously in conversation with Wendall that I recently listened to a podcast featuring an expert on Russian and Chinese journalism. Actually, I still had about 15 minutes to go. I just got done. She explained that for a long time now the goal in Russia has been to just create an “alternative reality” with many “journalists” just trying to survive by doing Putin’s bidding. They first exported that to neighbors like Ukraine and now have brought it to the US where we already have a major player, Fox, (that’s my edit) that has been doing the same for years. She recommended a book called Losing Pravda. I’m going to pick it up. The thesis is that in late Soviet period and early 1990s there was a push for truth, but that’s hard to come by now. The podcast guest says that she personally knows several couples in Russia who have divorced over fake news….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:44:51pm

re: #228 The Ghost of a Flea

Fuck it.

I’m off the imaginary land of Wakanda.

Gotta be better than this place.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:49:18pm

“Babylon Berlin” on Netflix is worth watching. Adults only.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:49:56pm

Weimar-era Germany police story.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:50:23pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:50:53pm

re: #233 jaunte

The classic is on PBS. Casablanca.
whyy.org

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:52:17pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

Yep, I about guarantee you the fucker will be golfing this weekend.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:52:34pm

re: #236 PhillyPretzel

I am shocked, SHOCKED to find that gambling is going on in here!

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electrotek  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:52:38pm

Anyone see the fucktards bringing up the China stabbings to deflect guns?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:53:20pm

re: #233 jaunte

“Babylon Berlin” on Netflix is worth watching. Adults only.

I’ve been watching the Dirty Money docuseries. Forewarning: It will make you angry.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:53:29pm

re: #238 Ace Rothstein

“Of all the gin joints in the world …”

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:54:08pm

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

“Of all the gin joints in the world …”

She had to walk into mine…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:54:28pm

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

“Of all the gin joints in the world …”

“You despise me, don’t you Rick?”
“I probably would, if I gave you any thought.”

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:56:37pm

I just finished binging on “Arrow,” all the way to the end.

It ends with a cliff-hanger that’s not a cliff-hanger, because nobody ever really dies in this fucking series.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:57:51pm

re: #242 Scottish Dragon

She had to walk into mine…

Alternative Casablanca

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:58:07pm

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

“You despise me, don’t you Rick?”
“I probably would, if I gave you any thought.”

Play it, Sam.

I don’t know what you mean, Boss.

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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:58:25pm

re: #239 electrotek

Anyone see the fucktards bringing up the China stabbings to deflect guns?

That’s when you offer this:

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 5:59:02pm

I loved Broadchurch & Shetland. LOVED. Jimmy Perez was actually in my dream last night.

Deciding between
This is Us
New Queer Eye

I’m adding Babylon Berlin to the queue.

I really appreciate the recs. So far so great.

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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:00:00pm

re: #2 Stanley Sea

Memory eternal.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:00:14pm

re: #239 electrotek

Honestly I haven’t. It’s a damn self-own.
But I don’t doubt there are ammosexuals stupid enough to lob that alleyoop.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:00:38pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

I just finished binging on “Arrow,” all the way to the end.

It ends with a cliff-hanger that’s not a cliff-hanger, because nobody ever really dies in this fucking series.

I’ve had it with the DC series. Arrow is the best of the lot, but isn’t very good.

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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:01:10pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank
“He turned into a car”

ROFLMAO

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:01:40pm

re: #233 jaunte

“Babylon Berlin” on Netflix is worth watching. Adults only.

So is The End of the F***ing World.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:01:56pm

re: #252 meteor

More than meets the eye…

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Swampwitch  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:02:01pm

I’ve been doing a rewatch of Arrested Development and enjoying it…until today. I had forgotten all about Bob Loblaw. Now I have to keep fast forwarding because today is not a day I can watch Scott Baio’s smug fuck face.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:03:15pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:03:23pm

Hahaha:

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:03:32pm

re: #215 jaunte

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Francisco Franco was a noted white supremacist, and bosom buddies with ultimate white activist Adolf Hitler. Nobody ever accused Franco of lacking guts though, and he did stand up to Adolf on the Jewish refugee question, as well as on getting Spain into the war. He did organize a large force of fascist volunteers, the Division Azul, to fight on the Eastern front. Incidentally, when the Korean War broke out in 1950, Franco offered to reconstitute the Division Azul and send them to fight the Reds in Korea as part of the UN command. Horrified American diplomats quickly but politely declined the offer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:06:00pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:07:16pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

They’re never going to hire you at Fox when this nightmare is over, Huckster.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:08:06pm

re: #260 Ace Rothstein

They’re never going to hire you at Fox when this nightmare is over, Huckster.

Hey! She can do blonde.

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steve_davis  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:09:56pm

re: #41 JordanRules

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hogan gidley. looks and sounds like a kid who went out on a three hour pleasure cruise and ended up getting everyone trapped on an uncharted island.

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:10:17pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not only announced that he wouldn’t be enacting the sanctions passed by 500+ votes in Congress, but then declared that the legislation was “deterring” defense sales and thus the sanctions were unnecessary, even though the sanctions were punishment intended to address election interference and not defense sales.

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Swampwitch  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:10:39pm

re: #260 Ace Rothstein

They won’t hire her anyway. She doesn’t fit the spokesmodel mode. She’ll end up hosting survival end-times food bin infomercials for Pat Robertson.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:12:00pm

re: #263 Targetpractice

Didn’t he give them their spy compounds back too?

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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:12:03pm

re: #58 bill d. (b.d.)

I had a bottle a few weeks ago. Thought it was going to be awesome. Really boring.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:12:13pm

re: #260 Ace Rothstein

They’re never going to hire you at Fox when this nightmare is over, Huckster.

She’s made for Fox radio.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:12:18pm

re: #264 Swampwitch

They won’t hire her anyway. She doesn’t fit the spokesmodel mode. She’ll end up hosting survival end-times food bin infomercials for Pat Robertson.

With the skills honed at the White House, she could be a docent at Robertson’s crypt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:13:17pm

re: #267 bill d. (b.d.)

She’s made for radio.

low watt AM radio

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:13:18pm

re: #257 Interesting Times

Hahaha:

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:14:24pm

re: #265 JordanRules

Didn’t he give them their spy compounds back too?

There was talk of such, but I don’t believe there was ever action taken.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:15:52pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

low watt AM radio

lol, this is Sarah Huckabee Sanders with your daily FoxNews shortwave radio broadcast,,simultaneously simulcast in Morse code.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:16:38pm

The infamous “pee tape” is probably real but it may not be the real kompromat the Russians have on Trump. After all, releasing it would reflect almost as badly on those who took it as it would on the subject. “Damn, that’s pervy stuff but those Russkies are sure some sleazy sons of bitches.”
I think they have something more serious and relevant. I have no idea what it is, but it would have to be strong stuff indeed.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:16:41pm

re: #271 Targetpractice

Ahh okay. They can just do their thing from one if his properties I suppose.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:16:52pm

dot dot dot …

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:17:26pm

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

As I asserted yesterday, what we’re seeing is senior Republicans floating talking points for their turn on Trump.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:17:35pm

re: #273 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The infamous “pee tape” is probably real but it may not be the real kompromat the Russians have on Trump. After all, releasing it would reflect almost as badly on those who took it as it would on the subject. “Damn, that’s pervy stuff but those Russkies are sure some sleazy sons of bitches.”
I think they have something more serious and relevant. I have no idea what it is, but it would have to be strong stuff indeed.

They have all the loan paperwork.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:19:38pm

re: #273 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Totally agree on it not moving the needle much AND not being the big reveal.

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:19:56pm

re: #273 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Dead hookers.

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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:21:14pm

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

I didn’t know a gun could fit in a uterus.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:22:08pm

The White House Roving Stud

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:22:30pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:23:09pm

I just used Google to try to find out how much the NRA had given to Paul Ryan.

The first autofill choice that Google offered me was:

How much has the NRA given to Democrats

Google’s algorithms suck donkey balls.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:23:55pm

re: #283 stpaulbear

I just used Google to try to find out how much the NRA had given to Paul Ryan.

The first autofill choice that Google offered me was:

Google’s algorithms suck donkey balls.

Probably Republicans trying to find a way to turn it on Democrats.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:24:20pm

“Democrats had to have gotten some money!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:25:21pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:25:49pm
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Romantic Heretic  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:25:52pm

re: #209 Joe Bacon 🌹

What Peggy ignores is the Powell Memorandum laying out the infiltration of Ayn Rand’s Objectivism inverted Marxism into every facet of American society.

Because that is all ‘Objectivism’ is; Marxism inverted so that bad is good and good is bad.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:26:43pm

Just started watching a Tiny Desk concert and was really digging it, but then the singer brought up chemtrails and I’m like, NOPE. Done. Way to ruin a good thing.

The Alex Jones poison is everywhere these days.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:28:13pm

I’m worried about what the hell is at the top of the staircase

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:28:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:32:27pm
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sagehen  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:32:32pm

re: #236 PhillyPretzel

The classic is on PBS. Casablanca.
whyy.org

We had this last week.

Every time I watch it I have to remind myself that it’s not just the characters choking up at La Marselleise because they didn’t know if the French Republic is gone for good.

The extras in that scene were French refugees in the U.S. for the duration; it was real for them. And the audiences who saw it in the theater as a first run movie. None of them knew if France would ever be liberated.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:33:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:35:03pm

Is it wrong I am hoping for a swift, steep career fall for SHS after she is out of the White House.

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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:35:06pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

CNN should invite Pence. Chances are he’d say something to scold the students and parents. I’d really like to see him get verbally ripped to shreds in real time.

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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:35:23pm

re: #295 Eclectic Cyborg

Not at all.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:35:25pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m gonna have to say good on CNN. Keep this in the news. Maybe they should start a periodic show on gun deaths.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:36:48pm

re: #298 Belafon

I’m gonna have to say good on CNN. Keep this in the news. Maybe they should start a periodic show on gun deaths.

They should keep a running tally…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:36:56pm

re: #295 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it wrong I am hoping for a swift, steep career fall for SHS after she is out of the White House.

She can go back to her old gig, poisoning the rosy side of apples.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:37:50pm

re: #273 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The infamous “pee tape” is probably real but it may not be the real kompromat the Russians have on Trump. After all, releasing it would reflect almost as badly on those who took it as it would on the subject. “Damn, that’s pervy stuff but those Russkies are sure some sleazy sons of bitches.”
I think they have something more serious and relevant. I have no idea what it is, but it would have to be strong stuff indeed.

Trump’s response was exactly the kind of thing I used to say when my parents asked me if I smoked pot: “pot gives you the munchies, but I’ve actually lost weight in the last year….” Trump said about pee, “I’m a germaphobe”; and added “everyone knows those rooms have cameras, I’m very careful.” He never denied.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:40:26pm

I say this every year when I watch the NBA All-Star festivities…
Dr. J is still fine.

And it’s just always great to see the legends.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:42:16pm
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Frenchy  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:42:50pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

On the one hand Trump will look horrible if he says no. On the other, if he shows up you KNOW it will be a total shit show. Should be interesting.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:43:40pm

re: #294 FormerDirtDart

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I wonder if any local ammosexuals took a shot at it? A lot of these people think shotgun slugs will penetrate tanks or (as one of them told me) a .50 Barrett “will knock an APC over on it’s side.” A lightplane pulling a banner should be a sitting duck.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:43:48pm

Ok, this thread is full of lulz

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piratedan  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:44:23pm

re: #303 jaunte

rooting for a really well timed meteor strike…..

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:44:39pm

re: #176 Ace Rothstein

And to get a gun(s) in Switzerland, you have to apply for a permit FOR EACH ONE. You have to a license just like a car.

I sent that meme and Politifact article to my friends in Switzerland so they can get a good laugh out of it (or shake their heads at American stupidity, take your pick).

Wow, gone for a day and a half, you miss a bunch around here.

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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:45:21pm

re: #307 piratedan

You rang?

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:45:27pm

I certainly hope that’s the case, but I’d like a full investigation and accounting of what those without full clearance have had access to. One day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:46:08pm
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sagehen  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:48:27pm

OT: BBC wildlife show camera operators are THE GREATEST CINEMATOGRAPHERS IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

that is all

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:49:06pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

Caption: What do you mean I am not getting it? I want my hug. Please give me my hug.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:49:28pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:49:51pm

re: #310 JordanRules

I certainly hope that’s the case, but I’d like a full investigation and accounting of what those without full clearance have had access to. One day.

[Embedded content]

Nothing would please me more by the time this is all over than seeing Jared going to jail for trying to sell national secrets to the Chinese to prop up the money pit that is his real estate “empire.”

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:49:59pm

re: #295 Eclectic Cyborg

No.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:50:13pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

Just started watching a Tiny Desk concert and was really digging it, but then the singer brought up chemtrails and I’m like, NOPE. Done. Way to ruin a good thing.

The Alex Jones poison is everywhere these days.

lol, chemtrails? Don’t they know that you can disperse them by spraying vinegar at them?

Ron Paul Supporters Spray Vinegar at the Sky to “Kill” Chemtrails!

It will kill your lawn tho…..

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:50:24pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:50:29pm

re: #312 sagehen

Blue Ocean II? I’m waiting for the BluRay 4K HDR to be released….

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:50:36pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:51:07pm

re: #304 Frenchy

On the one hand Trump will look horrible if he says no. On the other, if he shows up you KNOW it will be a total shit show. Should be interesting.

So the only person (so far) to accept is the Democratic senator. Quelle surprise.

Will the Republicans continue to hide from their constituents, as they have over the last year at town halls? Stay tuned.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:51:20pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

I just finished binging on “Arrow,” all the way to the end.

It ends with a cliff-hanger that’s not a cliff-hanger, because nobody ever really dies in this fucking series.

Except Ma and Pa Queen, who only ever return in flashbacks.

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piratedan  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:52:01pm

re: #320 JordanRules

tick tock, motherfucker… I believe that you’re on Bobby Three Sticks naughty list and I hope to see you in orange.

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:52:47pm

re: #319 The Major

Blue Ocean II? I’m waiting for the BluRay 4K HDR to be released….

yep.

I also recently watched some of the land-based ones… mountains, desert, grasslands, etc. OMG.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:52:54pm

re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White

6gY9QZCJ/aNAv62p/vtg5xrjQHDoILMuaMb0zgcJgwYgcQjNneTHaJW6/Iy6cFsNFVg1sam7SrU=

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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:53:30pm

re: #304 Frenchy

On the one hand Trump will look horrible if he says no. On the other, if he shows up you KNOW it will be a total shit show. Should be interesting.

Cheeto Benito will only accept if the sole parent permitted to speak is the one who wore the Trump 2020 shirt.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:53:54pm

“NRA Leadership Forum”:

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:54:37pm

re: #323 piratedan

tick tock, motherfucker… I believe that you’re on Bobby Three Sticks naughty list and I hope to see you in orange.

I suspect McConnell’s involvement only extends to being a racist Republican. He should get in trouble for not defending the country, but, other than impeachment, I only seem him possibly getting voted out of office.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:55:17pm

re: #324 sagehen

I also recently watched some of the land-based ones… mountains, desert, grasslands, etc. OMG.

I picked up the 40th anniversary edition of Close Encounters of the Third Kind in 4K UHD with HDR - I swear the BluRay was BETTER that what I saw at the theater….

And it also helps that I have an LG OLED…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:56:26pm
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TedStriker  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:56:57pm

re: #320 JordanRules

McConnell: “Odds are” that GOP will lose seats in both House and Senate in midterms thehill.com pic.twitter.com

— The Hill (@thehill) February 18, 2018

Damn, I hope so, Mitch…

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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:57:39pm

re: #329 The Major

Yeah, I remember seeing that on the DVD. Colors were so vivid. Freaked me out again like it did the first time I saw it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:58:08pm

re: #313 PhillyPretzel

Caption: What do you mean I am not getting it? I want my hug. Please give me my hug.

Officer, I got a photo of my attacker before he slashed my face.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 6:58:19pm

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:01:12pm

re: #137 Ace Rothstein

Okay, the trump dating site is a hoot. The fakes are out in full force.

gunstrumpgirl
20, FLINT US-MICHIGAN

SEEKING Men
Please sir help me find husband so I can stay in great country of u s a, trump is great man and I need great man to help me make my happy.

Someone should place Russian mail order bride on the Trump dating site.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:01:42pm

re: #328 Belafon

I suspect McConnell’s involvement only extends to being a racist Republican. He should get in trouble for not defending the country, but, other than impeachment, I only seem him possibly getting voted out of office.

He was just reëlected, so getting voted out will be a while.

He’s old enough he might die in office, though.

As for impeachment, that doesn’t apply to Senators or Representatives. In theory his colleagues could throw him out, but I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.

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Jay C  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:02:51pm

re: #327 jaunte

“NRA Leadership Forum”:

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Right: “Mark Geist, Benghazi Survivor” as a featured speaker? I’m sure that some salient facts, like Geist’s overblown quasi-fictional version of events are going to be studiously ignored. What a surprise….!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:04:42pm

re: #60 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i do recall getting the impression he was a mythical character like paul bunyan and being surprised later in life to find out he was a real person

btw i think it’s Perfectly Normal to wear a cookpot as a hat

Maybe he was an early devotee of Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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piratedan  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:05:27pm

re: #328 Belafon

I’m not so sure… I think in following the money from Russia, that we’re going to be discovering a good portion of it ended up being filtered/washed/laundered into GOP campaign coffers and we’re also going to find out (I think) how much the GOP coordinated with outside agencies (i.e. Russia) on their social media campaigns in targeting voters.

I would also not be shocked to find out that because of his actions (and Ryan’s) that they could very well be found guilty of treason by aiding and abetting activities that they knew about and let pass because they were beneficial to their agenda…

specific crimes could probably be found under campaign finance law violations, Hatch Act and the crimes of not reporting crimes against the country that they knew were taking place.

You could be right though, Bobby Three Sticks may not have Mitchy on his agenda, but right now, there’s not a lot I wouldn’t say that the GOP is not guilty of.

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:05:41pm

re: #324 sagehen

yep.

I also recently watched some of the land-based ones… mountains, desert, grasslands, etc. OMG.

Iguana chased by snakes:

Iguana chased by snakes - Planet Earth II: Islands - BBC One

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ObserverArt  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:08:43pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

Just started watching a Tiny Desk concert and was really digging it, but then the singer brought up chemtrails and I’m like, NOPE. Done. Way to ruin a good thing.

The Alex Jones poison is everywhere these days.

re: #321 Anymouse 🌹

So the only person (so far) to accept is the Democratic senator. Quelle surprise.

Will the Republicans continue to hide from their constituents, as they have over the last year at town halls? Stay tuned.

There are people suggesting attacking Republicans at town halls, at their offices and with calls, letters and messages the very same as was done for healthcare this past summer is called for now more than ever. Make them cower and make it show they have nothing but backing from the NRA.

I hope there are more demonstrations all over the country, similar to the women’s marches. Maybe the women take to the streets again but this time for gun safety.

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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:10:34pm

re: #341 ObserverArt

Yes, I hope so too.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:11:09pm

re: #341 ObserverArt

There are people suggesting attacking Republicans at town halls, at their offices and with calls, letters and messages the very same as was done for healthcare this past summer is called for now more than ever. Make them cower and make it show they have nothing but backing from the NRA.

I hope there are more demonstrations all over the country, similar to the women’s marches. Maybe the women take to the streets again but this time for gun safety.

I was reading that, working with the Women’s march organizers, there’s a planned march against gun violence next month. It’ll be a start.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:15:29pm
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whitebeach  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:16:47pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Gunsmoke held the body count record for some time. We were still getting it on AFKN in B&W in 1981.

Well, to be fair, the opening sequence of Gunsmoke opened with the classic fast-draw-shootout on Main Street (a scenario that rarely if ever happened in the real West), so one guy was gunned downed before each episode actually started, and the show ran for, what, something like 24 years? I don’t know if it’s true, but I heard that the actor who played the bad guy in that confrontation, who is barely visible and is on screen for maybe five seconds, made a not-so-small fortune for the royalties from that single gig alone.

In a bizarre cosmic coincidence, I was surfing the cable menu earlier tonight and came across Gunsmoke on an extremely obscure outlet, and watched Marshal Dillon for probably the first time in 50 years. And yeah, he killed a guy on the street in a sixshooter contest.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:18:17pm

re: #215 jaunte

Convicted felon for electoral fraud says what?

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majii  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:19:40pm

re: #304 Frenchy

“On the one hand Trump will look horrible if he says no. On the other, if he shows up you KNOW it will be a total shit show. Should be interesting.”

He won’t be there. There will be a very convenient “scheduling conflict.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:20:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:20:54pm

re: #335 BlueSpotinAL

Someone should place Russian mail order bride on the Trump dating site.

I don’t have enough paranoiaware on my computer to wade into the Trump dating site. I imagine my computer would die of infection two days later.

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MsJ  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:21:16pm

re: #225 Stanley Sea

Most drivers do both.

I’m going to download the Lyft & start using.

I’ll let you know if the service is worse.

I used Lyft in Dallas a couple of months ago because fuck Uber. They were just fine. I’d def use them again.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:21:32pm

re: #345 whitebeach

Arvo Ojala:
en.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:21:46pm

re: #347 majii

“On the one hand Trump will look horrible if he says no. On the other, if he shows up you KNOW it will be a total shit show. Should be interesting.”

He won’t be there. There will be a very convenient “scheduling conflict.”

Same with every other Republican. Dead students don’t make campaign donations, the NRA does.

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scottslemmons  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:21:47pm

re: #346 Anymouse 🌹

Hell, D’Souza is definitely not white, and he still loves him some white supremacy.

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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:22:49pm

re: #349 Anymouse 🌹

I looked at it. Now I want to die.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:28:04pm

re: #289 Charles Johnson

Just started watching a Tiny Desk concert and was really digging it, but then the singer brought up chemtrails and I’m like, NOPE. Done. Way to ruin a good thing.

The Alex Jones poison is everywhere these days.

I guess they think the fascist crocodile will eat them last.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:31:17pm

re: #345 whitebeach

Hm. I live in what’s termed “The Old West.” My town had a marshal for many many years (until about 2010). No marshal here ever killed anyone, and only once called up a posse.

Local crime story behind the hide bar:

A couple of people who’d robbed a bank in Omaha were traveling up the then-unpaved US-26 and stopped at the S&S restaurant in Oshkosh [still in business today] to rob it.

They went in with a rifle and pointed it at the proprietor yelling at him to open the till. The proprietor was deaf, and could not hear them. They killed him, and robbed the till.

His wife noted the direction the car sped off (west) and called the marshal in my town to try to stop them (along with calling the Garden County Sheriff in her county).

The marshal here gathered a posse of anyone who could hold a gun, and blocked US-26 at the town line. When the murders reached our town, they faced about fifty rifles and shotguns, and immediately surrendered. The village held them in our lone jail cell until the Morrill County Sheriff could come by and pick them up to return them to Garden County for the murder charge.

As far as I know from my town’s history, that is the only time the village marshal ever used a gun at all (other than hunting or something).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:32:32pm
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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:33:51pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lmao

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:39:17pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:40:22pm

re: #341 ObserverArt

There are people suggesting attacking Republicans at town halls, at their offices and with calls, letters and messages the very same as was done for healthcare this past summer is called for now more than ever. Make them cower and make it show they have nothing but backing from the NRA.

I hope there are more demonstrations all over the country, similar to the women’s marches. Maybe the women take to the streets again but this time for gun safety.

I want to send out some postcards early next week. This is a draft of the text I’ve been working on this evening:

You know that a decent majority of Americans favor stricter gun control laws.

We know that Republicans received nearly $6 million in campaign contributions in 2016 from gun rights groups including the NRA.

Everybody sees that you aren’t willing to do anything to keep guns out of the hands of people like Nikolas Cruz. Suggesting more guns in schools is a worthless solution.

We also see that your reliance on “thoughts and prayers” is a meaningless gesture. We see that you are not acting to save lives.

Bring back the assault weapons ban that was passed in 1994 with the support of Ronald Reagan. DO IT NOW! DO IT TODAY!

I’m going to have to print very small…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:52:36pm

re: #327 jaunte

How the fuck does Tomi Lahren keep getting all these gigs?

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meteor  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:53:17pm

re: #361 Eclectic Cyborg

Blonde.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:56:52pm

re: #353 scottslemmons

Hell, D’Souza is definitely not white, and he still loves him some white supremacy.

I will never forgive WFB for foisting that shitferbrains on the general populace as the wunderkind for the next generation’s right thought leaders and will shit on his grave for that act….

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:58:55pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sister Inspired Revolver of Freedom  Feb 19, 2018 • 3:44:14pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

As several people pointed out, she and her classmates are the generation that grew up in the shadow of Columbine. They’ve been dealing with this literally all their lives. Now, it’s personal.


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