A Powerful New Song and Video From the Great Mavis Staples: “If All I Was Was Black”

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“If All I Was Was Black” by Mavis Staples from the album ‘If All I Was Was Black,’ available now
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A Production of The Greenhouse Collective (thegreenhousecollective.com)
Co-Production with Summit Collective & Worklight Pictures

Directed & Edited by Zac Manuel

Produced by Milo Daemgen
Additional Producing by Chris Haney, Lizzie Guitreau, Alisha Hawkins

Featuring Keah Moffett

Cinematographer | Justin Zweifach
Additional B-Unit Cinematography by Bruno Doria

Stylist | Brandon Kafarela
Assistant Stylist | Brennan Manuel

Monument by Gabriel Wimmer

Official Site: mavisstaples.com
Facebook: facebook.com
Twitter: @MavisStaples
Instagram: instagram.com

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629 comments

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:40:41pm

Speaking of videos, DW today posted a documentary “The fight for the Arctic”:

The fight for the Arctic | DW Documentary

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:44:01pm

I don’t understand most of these sports.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:47:24pm

That was so good.

Still holding it down for Pops and the people Mavis!

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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:52:32pm

I bought that new Mavis Staples album and I really wanted to like it, but there are too many songs that sound like Mavis Staples singing on a half-baked Jeff Tweedy album. Mavis’ singing only emphasizes that too many of the songs sounds like bad alt-roots-rock. It made me cringe. I had to get rid of the CD.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:53:11pm

The whole fight-for-the-Arctic thing echos the great race that was the European colonization of the non-seafaring world.

It’s as if we never learn.

Some wild-eyed guess may put the producible carbon resources in the North at a teraton or so of carbon. That means humans could continue to substantially add CO2 to the atmosphere for the rest of the century.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:55:25pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2018 • 7:58:47pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:00:04pm

re: #6 jaunte

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In any case, we all have to be prepared to fight back on their behalf.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:00:14pm

re: #6 jaunte

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That is another thing these kids have: They don’t have a history to go after. You can’t talk about their 30+ years of bargaining to get laws passed, or defending a client in court.

Not that the right won’t try.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:03:37pm

re: #4 stpaulbear

I haven’t heard the album but I’m getting a kick out of your review because it’s specific and totally unexpected.

“half-baked Jeff Tweedy”

LOL, I was not ready.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:03:46pm

re: #6 jaunte

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RepubliKKKlans will turn up their 24/7 Bullshit Machine to 12. I’m sure that Frank Luntz has already sent out the GOP talking points to the Sunday Gasbags, Hate Radio and the Pulpit Pimps. Right now Franky Graham KKKraKKKer can’t wait to get on the gasbag shows tomorrow and BS about The Big G getting kicked out of schools. And then Alex Jones will tar the kids as being bribed by Soros in yet another false flag operation…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:04:07pm

As Austin Blue and I discussed last week, Lubbock is headed for a catastrophic water shortage. In particular, climate change denial is deeply embedded in the local socio-political structure, with the result that city produced projections of surface water availability take no account of severe long term drought and are therefore in error by decades. This will put an unbearable strain on subsurface reserves. The latter are almost depleted now. In 50 years there won’t be anything left of Lubbock but sand dunes with a few suitable clearings for the Buddy Holly shrines.

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:09:31pm

The oil rig in that video, the Songa Enabler, is currently off of Norway, and it’s a very busy area for traffic. Map centered on the current position of the platform:

marinetraffic.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:21:19pm

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As Austin Blue and I discussed last week, Lubbock is headed for a catastrophic water shortage. In particular, climate change denial is deeply embedded in the local socio-political structure, with the result that city produced projections of surface water availability take no account of severe long term drought and are therefore in error by decades. This will put an unbearable strain on subsurface reserves. The latter are almost depleted now. In 50 years there won’t be anything left of Lubbock but sand dunes with a few suitable clearings for the Buddy Holly shrines.

I suspect here in Nebraska we will be seeing water refugees from Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas, where they have depleted their end of the Ogallala Aquifer. There are already ranches and farms in Kansas which have been abandoned.

Here and in South Dakota the aquifer is strictly regulated (despite Republican governance), such that our end is actually above the fixed average.

Nothing personal about people from Lubbock, but we don’t need their wingnuts infecting our politics or our water laws.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:22:03pm

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As Austin Blue and I discussed last week, Lubbock is headed for a catastrophic water shortage. In particular, climate change denial is deeply embedded in the local socio-political structure, with the result that city produced projections of surface water availability take no account of severe long term drought and are therefore in error by decades. This will put an unbearable strain on subsurface reserves. The latter are almost depleted now. In 50 years there won’t be anything left of Lubbock but sand dunes with a few suitable clearings for the Buddy Holly shrines.

I remember when Rick Perry ordered a Day of Prayer for rain in Texas when they had a drought.

I’m sure Governor Ironside will order the same thing and J0el 0$teen will enforce it.

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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:24:10pm

re: #10 JordanRules

Jeff Tweedy produced the album. I think this is the third album by Mavis that he’s produced. I wish she would dump him and try an album with John Leventhal, who produced a great album for William Bell a few years ago.

The guitar solo in that song sounds like a parody.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:25:08pm

It actually rained in Lubbock last night, first measurable precipitation since November 8. This is an all-time record, 100 days, but there are likely to be more records in the near future.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:26:12pm

An interesting thing about the North Platte River.

The river is actually the level of the Ogallala Aquifer. The Frenchman Valley (the valley through which the North Platte flows) is actually below the level of the Aquifer; thus, you can tell where the level of the Aquifer’s water is by looking at the level of the river. (Right now, it is quite high, creating ponds and new river cuts along the banks of the river.)

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:26:42pm

re: #13 freetoken

The oil rig in that video, the Songa Enabler, is currently off of Norway, and it’s a very busy area for traffic. Map centered on the current position of the platform:

marinetraffic.com

Just watched Shetland. Am reading everything about the islands.

What a place to be.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:27:14pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:28:39pm

re: #16 stpaulbear

PS to Charles: I really really liked the Courtney Barnett song. I don’t hate everything.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:29:20pm
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Frenchy  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:30:36pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Of course you knew he would go there…using the most recent massacre of children as a cheap political talking point in another worthless rant about the Russia investigation.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:31:46pm
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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:32:10pm
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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:32:45pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:33:24pm

This was dinner tonight. Dino’s Chicken, fries and slaw—Pico Blvd…

This ain’t Col. Sanders!
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whitebeach  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:34:06pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Maybe if the asshole-in-chief hadn’t canned the FBI director a few months ago and put in his own guy, there might have been somebody in charge who could have got a grip on this situation. Probably not, because the problem is way deeper than the A-in-C can possibly understand, considering that he has the intellect of a Moray eel with Alzheimer’s, but just sayin’.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:34:12pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

And he’s lying about what the fellow actually said.

It is too bad that the writers of the Constitution pretty much held the idea that if a corrupt person attained power in the government, the rest of the government would work to marginalise or oust that person.

Although at the time only landowners could vote, apparently they thought too highly of the electorate as well. Who would have thought then a confidence artist could get elected?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:34:46pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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no golf = wah wah

They elected this failure

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Frenchy  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:35:15pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

“…Uranium,Speeches…”

Good god what a fucking moron.

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:35:17pm

re: #27 Joe Bacon 🌹

This was dinner tonight. Dino’s Chicken, fries and slaw—Pico Blvd…

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Pico and Sepulveda

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:35:49pm

re: #26 The Major

Twitter says your page doesn’t exist.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:35:50pm

I would be tempted to say that I wouldn’t be caught dead returning permanently to Lubbock. I will be though, since I plan to be buried there next to my wife, who died in 1999.
The plan is all set in the unfortunate event of need. Unitarian service at the undertaker’s place funeral home; music by Bach, Beethoven, and Creedence Clearwater, Trappist wood coffin, interment on the bluff above the Canyon Lakes (600 feet from Buddy Holly). Time and date to be announced.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:36:35pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

I fixed it. s/grind/slow/

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:37:02pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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Charles this reminds me of a book I read years ago “Night Of Camp David” where the President went nuts.

I now realize that Fletcher Knebel was a prophet…

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:37:07pm

re: #27 Joe Bacon 🌹

I look up the menu of every place you post - don’t STOP

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:38:27pm

re: #37 Stanley Sea

I look up the menu of every place you post - don’t STOP

Dino’s marinates their chicken in a secret recipe sauce.

When it oozes on the fries, I do not count the carbs. I surrender!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:38:28pm

re: #37 Stanley Sea

Dino’s Famous Chicken a la carte

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teleskiguy  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:38:31pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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allegro  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:38:56pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Just watched Shetland. Am reading everything about the islands.

What a place to be.

I did the same thing. Was completely unfamiliar with the area until that series. Glad you enjoyed it!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:40:07pm
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scottslemmons  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:40:45pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I would be tempted to say that I wouldn’t be caught dead returning permanently to Lubbock. I will be though, since I plan to be buried there next to my wife, who died in 1999.
The plan is all set in the unfortunate event of need. Unitarian service at the undertaker’s place funeral home; music by Bach, Beethoven, and Creedence Clearwater, Trappist wood coffin, interment on the bluff above the Canyon Lakes (600 feet from Buddy Holly). Time and date to be announced.

I’d actually really like to get back to Lubbock. I’ve got family living there, they’ve got a decent comics shop and a game store, and I’ve always felt like it was the perfect size for me. But no one in Lubbock wants to hire me for anything, so the best I’ll ever be able to manage is making the occasional trip to see my brother. :/

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:41:40pm

re: #25 jaunte

Despite all the shooter’s social media posts and such, there is nothing in Florida law that would have prevented him from acquiring the rifle he used.

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jaunte  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:43:52pm
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sagehen  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:45:38pm

re: #39 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dino’s marinates their chicken in a secret recipe sauce.

When it oozes on the fries, I do not count the carbs. I surrender!

You haven’t yet posted a Roscoe’s dinner…

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whitebeach  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:47:44pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Just watched Shetland. Am reading everything about the islands.

What a place to be.

If you’re talking about the PBS policier set in the Shetland Islands, all I can tell you is that it’s one of the very few series locations that made me think, hey, if I had to live there, I’d chew a 12-gauge.

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piratedan  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:47:55pm

re: #47 sagehen

or a Langer’s pastrami :-)

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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:48:16pm

re: #46 jaunte

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:48:59pm

Sage, I wish I could eat at Roscoe’s but those waffles require an insulin shot.

However, your wish is my command!

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sagehen  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:49:06pm

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹

Despite all the shooter’s social media posts and such, there is nothing in Florida law that would have prevented him from acquiring the rifle he used.

There’s nothing in Florida law that would have prevented him from walking down the street carrying the rifle openly… and if any cop had tried to stop him and ask a question or two, the gun fetishists would have taken offense and criticized the police forever.

Until the moment he actually pulled the trigger, he was a law-abiding citizen.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:49:57pm

re: #49 piratedan

or a Langer’s pastrami :-)

Pirate, if it is Langer’s Pastrami you desire, here it is being hand carved!

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:54:00pm

Something that has puzzled me for some time is how our Declaration of Independence states:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

and yet we have an Amendment to our Constitution that is now being abused by others to deprive innocent citizens of all three of those “unalienable Rights”. Does the Second Amendment supersede the rights granted us by the “Creator” that our Founding Fathers mention? Under the current interpretation of the Second Amendment, we have lost the right to “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”.

We are a sick nation and the party in control is the one that fed the infection that has made us this way.

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majii  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:54:14pm

re: #31 Frenchy

“re: #22 Charles Johnson

“…Uranium,Speeches…”

Good god what a fucking moron.”

I could never be in the same room with Trump. I’d get locked up within 30 seconds because I’d let loose on him and tell him everything I’ve ever thought about him, starting with his glaring ignorance and narcissism and ending with his whore-mongering. Trump is one of the dumbest mofuKers I’ve ever seen.

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stpaulbear  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:54:34pm

re: #51 Joe Bacon 🌹

re: #53 Joe Bacon 🌹

Damn, you’re evil. I’m trying to get back to carb counting after a work road trip last week where every meal was meat and potatoes and bread. I gained back five pounds this month after losing 55 last year. I still have another 60 to lose this year.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 8:56:03pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I would be tempted to say that I wouldn’t be caught dead returning permanently to Lubbock. I will be though, since I plan to be buried there next to my wife, who died in 1999.
The plan is all set in the unfortunate event of need. Unitarian service at the undertaker’s place funeral home; music by Bach, Beethoven, and Creedence Clearwater, Trappist wood coffin, interment on the bluff above the Canyon Lakes (600 feet from Buddy Holly). Time and date to be announced.

My wife and I have a plot in the village-owned cemetery here. Stick us in the Sandhills. (Neither of us are from here, but we’ve made an impact on the village since we moved here, more than any other place either of us lived.) The plan is to hire the local carpentry shop in the county seat to make coffins rather than buying an over-inflated casket from a funeral director.

My brother-in-law in Texas notes how expensive burial plots are in Houston and how cheap they are from our village government (basic sized plot here is $600, payable to the village); he’s considered buying a bunch of plots in our (socialist) cemetery to then sell to others in Texas who want to be interred rather than some other method.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:00:43pm

re: #56 stpaulbear

Damn, you’re evil. I’m trying to get back to carb counting after a work road trip last week where every meal was meat and potatoes and bread. I gained back five pounds this month after losing 55 last year. I still have another 60 to lose this year.

His posted meals look delicious.

Various studies have noted there seems to be little correlation between what you eat and what you weigh. It seems to be more related to genetics (some people use calories efficiently and thus store more as fat).

Thus I eat like a pig and weigh #115. On the other hand, in a famine I would be one of the first to die.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:01:19pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:01:55pm

I think we already knew this but it’s good to have some expert confirmation.
Metals expert: 25% of gold buyers are paranoid nuts
According to the expert, these marks think gold will go to $10,000/oz. when the US government collapses. In reality gold will be worthless if the government collapses. You would be much better off with a warehouse full of pork and beans. I don’t even like pork and beans but, unlike gold, they are edible (if you’re hungry enough).

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:02:26pm
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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:03:15pm

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹

60 Minutes did a piece on what a racket the entire Funeral Industry was IIRC…

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freetoken  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:04:57pm

Like ants swarming over a watermelon… this part of the planet current has 128k water vessels reporting, and those are only the vessels being tracked:

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:08:36pm

re: #62 The Major

60 Minutes did a piece on what a racket the entire Funeral Industry was IIRC…

This woman does the same on YouTube.
youtube.com

She comes under constant attack from the funeral industry, though she is a funeral director herself. (She works to put together inexpensive funerals for her clientele.)

She is also the author of a book, “Smoke Gets In Your Eyes,” which I had the privilege of reviewing before it was published.

She also has the goth look, which seems oddly appropriate for the funeral business.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:11:22pm

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹

I made arrangements with the Neptune Society 35 years ago that when I pass away I’ll be cremated and my ashes will be scattered in the ocean. The prepaid service package’s total price was $385.

Compare that to the price list for Home of Peace (Where Curly and Shemp of the Three Stooges rest)

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:14:20pm

re: #48 whitebeach

If you’re talking about the PBS policier set in the Shetland Islands, all I can tell you is that it’s one of the very few series locations that made me think, hey, if I had to live there, I’d chew a 12-gauge.

Yes, the policier. Watched 3 fab seasons on netflix.

And no. I found it captivating. ea=own

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:14:33pm

re: #65 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, I can’t have someone send my body down the North Platte on a flaming Viking barge, so plugging me into the side of the Sandhills seems good enough.

Retired Navy personnel are eligible for burial at sea (along with their direct family), but the estate has to pay to ship the body to Norfolk or San Fransisco.

That’s pretty expensive to ship me and my wife 1,500 miles to one of the coasts to dump us off the fiddleboard of an aircraft carrier, so I guess we’ll stay here.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:16:40pm

re: #50 Interesting Times

His bio (following)

Trust me, I don’t speak for LSU

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scottslemmons  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:16:46pm

re: #65 Joe Bacon 🌹

I made arrangements with the Neptune Society 35 years ago that when I pass away I’ll be cremated and my ashes will be scattered in the ocean. The prepaid service package’s total price was $385.

Compare that to the price list for Home of Peace (Where Curly and Shemp of the Three Stooges rest)

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My personal preference would be cremation, but my mom has already said she wants a body she can bury, and it’s not like I’ll be around to complain so (shrug).

(Of course, what I’d really prefer is to be cremated and for the ashes to be thrown into a random dumpster.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:22:25pm

There was the case of a WW2 veteran who wanted to go out on a flaming Viking barge.

He spent a decade planning and building the ship (a miniature) he wanted to be sent off in. The fellow was originally an immigrant from Norway.

His family said they were thrilled he got his final wish, after the Coast Guard took his ashes and vessel to sea (a ten-foot model from the plans of a hundred-foot Viking vessel). They launched the funeral barge about three miles off the New Jersey coast, setting it on fire with a flare.

usatoday.com

The amazing thing about the model vessel was the man lost an arm in 1975 in an accident. He built his funerary barge with only one arm.

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:23:30pm

re: #69 scottslemmons

My personal preference would be cremation, but my mom has already said she wants a body she can bury, and it’s not like I’ll be around to complain so (shrug).

(Of course, what I’d really prefer is to be cremated and for the ashes to be thrown into a random dumpster.)

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Interesting Times  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:24:02pm

I still haven’t figured out who this woman is and what she did with 2012 Jennifer Rubin:

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:25:52pm

re: #65 Joe Bacon 🌹

I made arrangements with the Neptune Society 35 years ago that when I pass away I’ll be cremated and my ashes will be scattered in the ocean. The prepaid service package’s total price was $385.

Compare that to the price list for Home of Peace (Where Curly and Shemp of the Three Stooges rest)

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Acchh! Ten grand for the box? Reminds me of the lady in Texas who insisted on being buried in her Ferrari. They allowed it, with a humongous crate for the car.
My personal preference would be cremation with the ashes scattered from an aircraft over Pikes Peak. I’ve walked from Manitou Springs to the summit several times, the first when I was 10 years old, and I always loved the place.
My daughter is determined to keep her parents together for the next few thousand years at least though. Since she has to live with the decision and I obviously don’t, I will leave it up to her.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:26:59pm

re: #71 The Major

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Charles Johnson  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:31:06pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:32:41pm

What I would really like to do is have my mortal remains ejected from a spacecraft, to re- enter the atmosphere in a literal blaze of glory. I may live long enough for that to become possible but it will probably be too expensive even then.

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austin_blue  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:35:37pm

Why is this Presidency beginning to remind me more and more of a Warren Zevon song?

Hmmm…

Warren Zevon - Lawyers, Guns and Money

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:36:17pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:38:27pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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I freaking called it 2 days ago!!

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2/15/2018 7:15:17 am PST

re: #96 makeitstop

I’m willing to bet that Trump won’t take questions at all today.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this ‘address’ is him and a camera in a room.

[trump] IF THE FBI HAD FOCUSED ON STOPPING THIS YOUNG MAN RATHER THAN SPENDING ITS TIME INVESTIGATING ME THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. [/trump]

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:38:38pm

re: #78 The Major

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:40:57pm

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:41:43pm

re: #80 Anymouse 🌹

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cat-tikvah  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:42:28pm

re: #77 austin_blue

I have left voice messages on my GOP Senator’s DC office line singing this song.

I recommend this. It’s very cathartic and I’m sure makes for a less mundane welcome back for staffers who log the messages from after office hours.

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fern01  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:42:59pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Just watched Shetland. Am reading everything about the islands.

What a place to be.

Had family there moons ago. They were sailors and fishermen & some kept sheep. Some used the patronymic naming system which can cause confusion looking for ancestors.
I liked the TV show also.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:43:03pm

re: #82 The Major

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:45:51pm
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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:47:36pm

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹

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fern01  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:47:41pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

If McMaster doesn’t resign Monday he is wimp - who can work for this much stupid

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whitebeach  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:48:15pm

re: #86 JordanRules

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Jesus fucking wept.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:49:57pm

I enjoyed seeing the big 45 chicken up close, when he was at that rally here in Phoenix last year. We had a nice Arpaio blow up figure too.
Both Look good in stripes.

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scottslemmons  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:50:14pm

re: #86 JordanRules

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Kids in this country deserve a better country. :(

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:52:25pm

re: #86 JordanRules

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I read that and the anger builds in me.

The whores in Congress who sold their souls to the NRA won’t lift a finger to stop this, but now they are seriously talking about banning Tide pods…

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:54:48pm

re: #92 Joe Bacon 🌹

Me too Joe.
And so many of us are determined to make us do better. We’ve got to! Or die trying.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:55:59pm

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fern01  Feb 17, 2018 • 9:59:06pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

My daughter is determined to keep her parents together for the next few thousand years at least though. Since she has to live with the decision and I obviously don’t, I will leave it up to her.

Your daughter and I agree. It is the best of times when one finds an ancestor in a small forgotten place & you can sit and chat to them about our world as it is now.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:02:10pm

re: #83 cat-tikvah

The only problem with this idea is that if I sing, people will wish me dead. That or die laughing.

Either way, death will be involved… ;)

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danarchy  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:04:08pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

What I would really like to do is have my mortal remains ejected from a spacecraft, to re- enter the atmosphere in a literal blaze of glory. I may live long enough for that to become possible but it will probably be too expensive even then.

celestis.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:05:46pm

50 years ago I was endlessly bullied in high school.

Dad kept his service revolver at home in the top drawer of his dresser and it was always loaded.

NEVER did I even think of touching that gun unless Dad was showing me how to clean it and even then he would NOT let me touch it.

I NEVER thought of taking that gun to school.

Add in the 47 years that the Powell Memorandum laid out the plan for the New Right to rise to power and undo the New Deal and the end result is that the NRA is run by libertarians radicalized by Murray Rothbard’s “Anarcho-Captialists” and we’re becoming more like Somalia every day.

Republican Congressmen get shot at, Scalise is seriously wounded and when the mike is shoved in front of them they still shill for the NRA, and now they are in the process of legalizing silencers and requiring all states to honor the laws that let idiots with Small Penis Syndrome walk the streets with their AR-15’s strapped to their backs.

What will it take to reverse this madness?

How many more kids are going to die so that their blood can feed the NRA’s lust?

There HAS to be a breaking point where the NRA is finally put in check.

How many more must die until then?

Tell you what, Wayne La Pierre, give me a number of how many more people have to be killed by your disciples? 10,000? 25,000? 50,000?

Give me that number you murderer

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:10:59pm
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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:11:25pm

re: #98 Joe Bacon 🌹

Add in the 47 years that the Powell Memorandum laid out the plan for the New Right to rise to power and undo the New Deal and the end result is that the NRA is run by libertarians radicalized by Murray Rothbard’s “Anarcho-Captialists” and we’re becoming more like Somalia every day.

And that was when the NRA heel turn occurred.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:14:01pm

re: #93 JordanRules

Me too Joe.
And so many of us are determined to make us do better. We’ve got to! Or die trying.

I’m trying to do my little part here. My family didn’t fight for this country so I could watch it turn into a libertarian hellhole like Somalia.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:19:15pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Note who’s not in that picture.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:22:19pm

re: #102 Belafon

Note who’s not in that picture.

So where did they put her cardboard cutout?

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:24:38pm

re: #72 Interesting Times

I still haven’t figured out who this woman is and what she did with 2012 Jennifer Rubin:

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Democrats in Texas had slowly started becoming the liberal party before the New Deal. This was cemented with the passage of the CRA and VRA. But, most of the voters didn’t really notice what changes had occurred until the late 1980s, and it would be another decade or more before voters switched parties.

I say this, because I think Rubin hasn’t changed. She’s still conservative. But the party took a turn towards the evil that she didn’t really notice. She probably still fits the description of “doesn’t like change for change’s sake” but the GOP is all reactionary authoritarian.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:24:57pm

Conservative religionists are fanning out across social media, claiming Lindsay Vonn is the latest “victim of the Trump Curse.” (To conservatives, read wingnuts, the so-called Trump Curse is bad things will happen to you if you show disrespect to Donald Trump.)

wonkette.com

It isn’t just Donald Trump though. All my life conservatism has been a religion which cannot fail, “it can only be failed.” Even at the end of the Nixon Administration, polling about President Nixon still had him within the crazification factor of those who would pul the lever for R-Beelzebub.

Conservatism has always had talismans and mantras (free markets, welfare queens, &c). The “Trump Curse” seems to be the latest conservative mantra.

The Week in Garbage Humans: Trump Curse Prevented Lindsey Vonn from Getting a Medal (goes to Wonkette with social media screenshots of conservative religious faith).

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:27:13pm

re: #72 Interesting Times

I still haven’t figured out who this woman is and what she did with 2012 Jennifer Rubin:

She’ll return to the fold as soon as Trump is gone. She hasn’t changed. Trump will be cast into the pile of “conservatism can only be failed” and memory-holed just like GW Bush.

Jennifer Rubin is still waiting for her conservative messiah.

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:29:37pm

re: #46 jaunte

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I good interpretation of Trump’s tweet:

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The Major  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:31:25pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

Somalia

Fascinating how Ayaan Hirsi Ali - who illegally immigrated to the Netherlands from Somalia, then later emigrated to the US and landed a cushy job at the notorious right-wing American Enterprise Institute, and at the same time bedding, wedding and siring the offspring of the flaming Scottish arsehole Niall Ferguson, whose Reith Lectures on BBC World Service were sheer torture to listen to, especially when he was trying to dress down the Occupy folks in the audience. Bad move, Niall - I’m in the inside, and I know how this shit works, you spotted dick. And to think this eejet is teaching history to impressionable minds at Harvard……

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whitebeach  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:32:48pm

re: #98 Joe Bacon 🌹

Tell you what, Wayne La Pierre, give me a number of how many more people have to be killed by your disciples? 10,000? 25,000? 50,000?

Give me that number you murderer

Your numbers are way too conservative. Since 2001, the number of Americans killed by other Americans with guns is something like a hundred times the number who were killed by foreign terrorists on 9/11.

And La Pierre is like, “I love the smell of cordite in the morning, at a kindergarten.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:37:22pm

re: #109 whitebeach

Your numbers are way too conservative. Since 2001, the number of Americans killed by other Americans with guns is something like a hundred times the number who were killed by foreign terrorists on 9/11.

And La Pierre is like, “I love the smell of cordite in the morning, at a kindergarten.”

The point I was trying to make is that Dracula is alive and well and feasting here in America under the alias of Wayne LaPierre

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Belafon  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:38:38pm

The Dallas Morning News has come out in favor of Ted Cruz’s opponent in the Republican primary.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:48:32pm

re: #111 Belafon

Go Beto go!!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:50:20pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:56:17pm

re: #111 Belafon

The Dallas Morning News has come out in favor of Ted Cruz’s opponent in the Republican primary.

A fail for the Dallas Morning News. They endorsed an energy-sector attorney who is a “free market absolutist” who wants to “secure the border” who likes to use business and religious buzzwords to promote his platform of “smaller government” and “less regulation.”

Fail.

He does not yet have an NRA rating. His Website does not mention guns for foetuses, so that’s probably a minus to the NRA and conservatives.

stefanofortexas.com

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:57:27pm

Nerd out baby! Fun thread.

#wakandaforever

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whitebeach  Feb 17, 2018 • 10:58:25pm

re: #110 Joe Bacon 🌹

The point I was trying to make is that Dracula is alive and well and feasting here in America under the alias of Wayne LaPierre

I never much cared for vampire books or movies or TV shows, but at least in many of them the vampires were recognizably tragic figures, often even sophisticated and intelligent. The current vogue for zombie movies, computer games, etc. leaves me completely cold. But it’s possible that the genius of popular entertainment, no matter how low its common denominator may be, which currently is in the area of the bottom of the Marianas Trench, has hit on something. People like La Pierre, and the hideous others he and people like him support, resemble the stumbling relentless mindless mobs of movie zombies more than they do vampires. I include virtually everyone in the White House as among this group. And Fox of course. They are trying every day to eat our brains.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:01:17pm

From Mr. Stefano’s campaign Website:

As senator, Stefano will leverage his private sector leadership and negotiation acumen to champion the entrepreneurs and small businesses that provide opportunities for the families that call the Lone Star State home.

Stefano’s priorities as Texas’ next U.S. Senator include supporting the economic engines of the state by simplifying regulations that limit competitiveness, developing a 21 st century approach to securing the border and addressing the immigration system’s failures, and improving the Department of Veterans Affairs’ delivery of care to the honorable men and women of America’s armed services.

Bring Texas regulations to the whole country! Allow every city to blow up like the city of West! Use veterans and active duty for props! Secure the border!

Pretty much hit every wingnut talking point except guns. I suspect he’ll get around to them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:07:45pm

Russian troll says what?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:10:43pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:13:23pm

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

Needz moar picture of Dr. Stein sitting with Vladimir Putin.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:19:18pm
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ipsos  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:22:04pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:23:52pm
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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:24:37pm

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

I have no idea why that pic tickles me so much but it does. I use it a lot, especially in my WhatsApp chat with my friends.

Perfect usage here!

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:31:50pm

FiveThirtyEight notes that the Mueller investigation into Russian meddling is moving extremely fast compared to previous investigations going back to Ronald Reagan.

fivethirtyeight.com

(includes charts showing when and how many indictments have been handed down).

While it seems Robert Mueller is moving at a glacial pace, in comparison to previous investigations, he is moving at lightning speed.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:41:23pm
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ckkatz  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:43:02pm

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹

FiveThirtyEight notes that the Mueller investigation into Russian meddling is moving extremely fast compared to previous investigations going back to Ronald Reagan.

fivethirtyeight.com

(includes charts showing when and how many indictments have been handed down).

While it seems Robert Mueller is moving at a glacial pace, in comparison to previous investigations, he is moving at lightning speed.

Additionally, prosecutions, in order to convict, require convincing people that he is correct. And he seems to be very carefully choosing what indictments that he brings and their timing.

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JordanRules  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:44:51pm
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Kragar  Feb 17, 2018 • 11:53:47pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:01:18am

Black Panther was engrossing. A tremendous amount of thought went into the physical design—they’ve sampled extensively from African material cultures with great results, and the use of color in general is delightful—and the film does an excellent job of setting you down with a sense of in media res, making the kingdom feel alive in the way of familiar comic-book cities. It’s also just a great fantasy setting in general. In a similar way, the characters all feel embedded in their context such that you wonder about their past and where they’re proceeding to.

The dialogue could use the occasional bit of polishing, but it’s been awhile since I’ve just enjoyed the spectacle that much.

Though heaven knows what people in the Marvel Universe would do if the important artifact shit didn’t glow….

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:04:24am

re: #130 The Ghost of a Flea

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:09:06am

re: #130 The Ghost of a Flea

Actual spoiler statement:

As a post-colonialist by training, I find it very interesting that the villain’s evil scheme is…colonialism, 100% East India Company style…and darkly amusing that most white people just aren’t going to catch the full implications of how the fictional plot comments on shit that actual happened.

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:12:48am

re: #132 The Ghost of a Flea

I was talking to my wife about how in a way, Killmonger did win at the end. He might have died, but he did get Wakanda to go out into the world, but instead of trying to conquer it, to try and provide an example.

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ipsos  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:13:55am

Do Trump and his defenders really think the FBI has just one pool of agents, and it’s some sort of zero-sum game where the same agents digging into his case on an international level would instead have been investigating a report of potential school violence in Florida?

Because that’s a pretty stupid picture to paint of the way the FBI actually works.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:19:06am

Black Panther (the comic 1998-2003) is now available as Prime Reading. Means it’s free to “borrow” (which at this time means keep forever) to Prime members.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:29:34am

re: #126 JordanRules

Inside job.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:32:06am

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Hello!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:38:50am

re: #132 The Ghost of a Flea

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:39:49am

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

Update, good chance this is a fake.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:57:14am

Leaping elk crashes low-flying research helicopter in Utah

An elk leaped into a research helicopter that was trying to capture it and brought down the helicopter in a collision that also killed the elk, authorities said Tuesday.

The elk jumped into the chopper’s tail rotor as the aircraft flew about 10 feet (3 meters) above ground in a mountainous part of eastern Utah, with its crew trying to drop a net on the elk, said Jared Rigby of the Wasatch County Sheriff’s Office.

The two people on board weren’t seriously hurt, but the elk died of its injuries Monday afternoon.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:57:17am

There are times I hate Microsoft …

Ever since I’ve loaded Microsoft Office 2016 to replace the now-orphaned copy of Microsoft Office Professional 2007 I have, Outlook 2016 crashes after it loads.

The problem has been getting more frequent since I bought the program last year. Today I find myself unable to use Outlook 2016 at all.

When it crashes, Outlook 2016 offers a quick repair window. That is worthless, and searching on-line for solutions hasn’t helped.

Control panel offers a longer version of quick repair through the “Programs and Features” window. That didn’t do anything either.

I am now trying the Internet repair (where Office downloads various files from Microsoft), which I have been loathe to try since my Internet connexion is so fragile here.

(I previously had to contact Microsoft about another issue, and lost my Internet connextion during the download they directed me to accomplish. It took a week for Microsoft to straighten that out.)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:58:49am

re: #133 Kragar

Killmonger is interesting because…he has a point about Wakanda having privilege. The rest of Africa is defined by all the stuff that was mined and whisked away. The Wakandan fear of losing their vibranium is a direct reflection of every place that was and is stripped of natural resources to profit a distant elite. The choice for that character to end by invoking the experience of African Diaspora—the other half of his makeup—is a powerful one. An excellent tragic villain.

But Killmonger is also very, very American—aggressive, direct, short-sighted, in love with his anger. His specific plan—weapons to allies to start rebellions—is the US/USSR proxy war system (that failed, and continues to fail) as much as it is the British Empire.

eta: I’d argue that the “winner” of the discussion is T’Challa’s sister Shuri. Her first conversation with him underlines the point: just because something works doesn’t mean it can’t be improved on. This contrasts with Killmonger’s arc of immolating valuable things—his lover, the flowers—trying to cleave to the plan.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:10:55am

Rep. Lieu still holding it down in the wee hours.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:13:47am
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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:16:14am

Love that he reported these in tandem.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:17:20am

Winter storms coming our way tomorrow.

I guess it’s a good thing I’m trying to fix Microsoft Office today, because tomorrow I will probably lose my Internet service.

forecast.weather.gov

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:57:02am
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Kragar  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:03:21am

On a side note, one of the trailers they showed tonight was for the remake of “Death Wish” starring Bruce Willis.

An old white guy decides he can’t trust the cops to do their jobs, so he goes out and starts killing criminals to get revenge.

I can’t even think of a movie the country needs less than that right now.

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:04:15am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:19:11am

re: #148 Kragar

On a side note, one of the trailers they showed tonight was for the remake of “Death Wish” starring Bruce Willis.

An old white guy decides he can’t trust the cops to do their jobs, so he goes out and starts killing criminals to get revenge.

I can’t even think of a movie the country needs less than that right now.

I don’t even understand why someone out there feel the need to remake the original film. Death Wish is probably the one flick Charles Bronson will be forever remembered for and it’s a somewhat unique snapshot of its time and place.

The argument I could see in favor of a remake is if the new screenplay adhered to the original 1972 source novel, which thematically is against vigilantism. The author of the original book, Brian Garfield, was quite unhappy with the film as I recall.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:21:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:24:54am

re: #126 JordanRules

Russian hackers have a new target: the U.S. Senate

limiting targets to 100 Senators offers maximum bang for the buck - and the best approach is to always attack the weakest, most corrupt and compromised link in the chain of power

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:25:10am

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

The book was about how this man’s entire life was destroyed by the tragedy, and how he ended up becoming a murderer.

The movie was about how cool it was to get revenge.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:27:04am

re: #129 Kragar

Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!

“Mr Mueller, we have clear intel on an imminent threat of a mass shooting!”

“Later, I’m busy fabricating evidence!”

What sounds like a satiric joke to us is now a gospel-truth RW talking point.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:39:01am

I KNEW IT!!!

The Office download crashed … Microsoft is now telling me I need to restart my computer and re-download the entire thing.

After wrestling with several Webpages written by software engineers rather than people who speak English, I am now in the process of re-installing Office 2016.

I’m going in, wish me luck. (Usual argument with my wife the software engineer about how instructions should be written for a person who understands English, and why I don’t need an automotive engineering degree to drive a car I just bought.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:52:40am

re: #153 Kragar

The book was about how this man’s entire life was destroyed by the tragedy, and how he ended up becoming a murderer.

The movie was about how cool it was to get revenge.

It offered one of the basic concepts behind the”good-guy-with-a-gun” school of law enforcement.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:57:15am

Now Office says my version is “unlicensed” though I downloaded it from the official Microsoft Office site with my account.

After Outlook crashed (again), it wants me to run a “repair” program on Outlook.

I’ve only had this program since November, and already had to download it four times due to its instability.

At this point, I don’t really care any more if Office 2007 Professional is no longer supported by Microsoft against potential hacking holes. That program works. I’ve never had trouble with it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:12:32am

I’m getting the idea why so many people around here don’t want to own a computer at all.

My wife tells me the problem is “You’re using Windows and you need to use Linux.”

My understanding of Linux is you need even more innate knowledge to use that than Windows, because Linux documentation is even worse than Microsoft’s.

Of course, Microsoft offers no chat or telephone number or even address to send a letter to outlining your problems. You’re on your own.

Software is the only product I know of in the USA you can go to market with, knowing it does not work correctly, and you can still sell it without fear of the FTC or lawsuits: Software companies are actually protected from such by law, because the libertarians who own such companies spent a lot of money on lobbying getting those laws passed.

If that makes me a Luddite, well, so be it. My 1914 office typewriter works fine, and so do stamps and envelopes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:16:26am

re: #158 Anymouse 🌹

I’m getting the idea why so many people around here don’t want to own a computer at all.

My wife tells me the problem is “You’re using Windows and you need to use Linux.”

My understanding of Linux is you need even more innate knowledge to use that than Windows, because Linux documentation is even worse than Microsoft’s.

Of course, Microsoft offers no chat or telephone number or even address to send a letter to outlining your problems. You’re on your own.

That is a scary thought: I could not do my job (translating, proofreading and copywriting) without access to a computer.

Even my teaching work relies on accessing and downloading lessons and lesson plans/reports.

I use Apache office instead of Microsoft, which does lead to certain compatibility issues, but in general I can get around them.

But I would be right f***ed without a computer and high-speed Internet access. The only thing that slows me down is my crappy little $400 computer.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:27:57am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

You can run it unlicensed for 30 days I think. I had to do a chat because of something similar in the past. They just tunnel inn and check it out, and boom your done.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:34:00am

“Look at them juicy thighs!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:34:55am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is a scary thought: I could not do my job (translating, proofreading and copywriting) without access to a computer.

Even my teaching work relies on accessing and downloading lessons and lesson plans/reports.

I use Apache office instead of Microsoft, which does lead to certain compatibility issues, but in general I can get around them.

But I would be right f***ed without a computer and high-speed Internet access. The only thing that slows me down is my crappy little $400 computer.

We don’t have high speed Internet access here. The only computers in the entire village are the village office, the library, my wife’s, and mine. That’s it. No one else wants any thing to do with them, and after my wrangling with Microsoft (their “We want your feedback!” page is a joke, with thousands of people making the same complaint I did, including the complaint their instructions are nonsensical), it is obvious they hold their customers in contempt.

My job (editing) requires a computer, but does not require an Internet connexion (I could send a flash drive or CD to my company instead). The overwhelming majority of jobs here do not require computers at all, most people here don’t want them because they are not designed to be used by a person with average intellect and education, &c.

That is also why you can’t use credit cards here (no computers or Internet connexions). When credit card companies got rid of paper receipts, credit cards disappeared here entirely. On the other hand, very few people here have credit card debt.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:39:45am

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:42:47am

I am in a live chat with a tech at Microsoft. Wish me luck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:44:11am

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹

We don’t have high speed Internet access here. The only computers in the entire village are the village office, the library, my wife’s, and mine. That’s it. No one else wants any thing to do with them, and after my wrangling with Microsoft (their “We want your feedback!” page is a joke, with thousands of people making the same complaint I did, including the complaint their instructions are nonsensical), it is obvious they hold their customers in contempt.

This does a lot more than “Hillbilly Elegy” to explain the world of Trump supporters. These people still dream of well-paid jobs that require minimal training and education.

Fer chrissakes, I do my banking on the Internet, buy nearly everything but groceries and household supplies through online offerings and send my work back and forth by e-mail (tight deadlines preclude being able to send discs by mail).

That is something America needs to fix in order to stay competitive.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:51:46am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This does a lot more than “Hillbilly Elegy” to explain the world of Trump supporters. These people still dream of well-paid jobs that require minimal training and education.

Fer chrissakes, I do my banking on the Internet, buy nearly everything but groceries and household supplies through online offerings and send my work back and forth by e-mail (tight deadlines preclude being able to send discs by mail).

That is something America needs to fix in order to stay competitive.

It’s not an issue of well-paid jobs that require minimum education and training. Farming and ranching require both; the majority of my town has bachelor’s degrees and above. I am actually in a small minority of people who have never been to college.

Banking cannot be done on the Internet here. There is no Internet. Even if you had an app for a major bank (such as Bank of America), you could not do it here because there is no cell service.

Back in the early days of telephone service, Ma Bell and others rapidly expanded into areas such as this because the rural nature meant they could get lots of customers who wanted to connect to the world.

The same goes for automobiles: At one time Iowa and Nebraska had the most cars in the nation, because automobile manufacturers saw the potential for people here being able to travel without using a prairie schooner.

Fast forward to late-stage capitalism and such things as computers and Internet service, such companies simply do not care about making money from the people here. They want profit this week, not a couple years from now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:55:55am

Now the Microsoft guy is patronising me because I don’t understand the software engineering terms he is using. I feel as though he is “patting me on the head” on his end of the connection.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 3:58:33am

Microsoft is now on the telephone with me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:05:05am

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹

Fast forward to late-stage capitalism and such things as computers and Internet service, such companies simply do not care about making money from the people here. They want profit this week, not a couple years from now.

The Internet is a key aspect of Infrastructure, and that is something that America has been neglecting too long.

Things like education, health care, safety and infrastructure maintenance are seen by modern capitalists merely as business expenses to be minimized in order to maximize profits, not as investments in a health workforce, economy and society.

We will find ourselves left behind by other nations whose priorities are less skewered towards maximizing executive bonuses.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:11:07am

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹

That’s perfectly normal. It is a mark of authenticity. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:32:03am

still a moron:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:35:03am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron:

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are these part of his morning’s potty rants?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:35:15am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

are these part of his morning’s potty rants?

yep

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:40:24am

And just a month ago, the pundits were pounding their puds over how he was preaching “unity” and how he sounded “presidential” again if just for a moment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:40:59am

jeebus

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:43:10am

He’s having a total meltdown. Somebody must have told him that the indictments mean he can’t fire Rosenstein or Mueller.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:46:58am

JFC

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:52:12am

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Good morning!

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A Mom Anon  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:52:35am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s pathological. The definition of a horrible person. He’s like every single awful trait humans can have stuffed into a smelly, gelatinous, crusty, ill fitting cheap suit.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:55:25am

Either somebody told him he can’t fire Rosenstein/Mueller or they finally sat him down and broke out the finger puppets to explain how the indictments reveal his presidency to be a sham.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:56:14am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 4:59:41am

I’m back you poor devils.

The technician took remote access control of my computer, looking at things such as registry entries and whatnot.

After some time rummaging around my drive, he decided the only way to fix my copy of Office was to blow everything out of the computer. He ran Outlook and it performed for him the same way it does for me (crash after a minute or so).

He declared I had both a corrupt version of Office and that my license wasn’t saved correctly in the registry.

He put a “sticky note” on my desktop, a URL that goes to a back lot of Microsoft’s servers to download all of Office 2016 again. That is going on now (I think, because it says 14 seconds remaining and it’s stuck there).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:00:50am

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

fox and friends is now portraying the President of the United States scolding the FBI in front of the Russian flag

It is now established RW gospel that the FBI was too busy fabricating evidence to defame the President to follow up on a imminent threat of mass murder…

I have to admire their ability to spin these things.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:01:50am

now he’s retweeting Pence

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:02:11am

I see what the problem on the download is: My “high speed Internet” according to the download monitor in Microsoft Edge is running at a blistering 1 Mbit speed, for a file 2.7 GBytes in size.

I pay $120 a month for this incredibly fast service.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:05:35am

heh

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Dizzy  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:10:40am
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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:10:46am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is now established RW gospel that the FBI was too busy fabricating evidence to defame the President to follow up on a imminent threat of mass murder…

I have to admire their ability to spin these things.

Another example of the wingnut support for “law and order,” the stated belief that it’s impossible for the FBI to handle more than one case at a time. They have limited manpower and so must choose between either framing the president…or investigating reports about a Youtube video.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:13:41am

re: #187 Dizzy

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We’ve seen the obsession for over a year now, the need to insist every other waking moment that his election was totally legit and he didn’t win for any reason other than Hillary was a “terrible” candidate. Because the moment he acknowledges that Russia influenced the election in his favor, what’s left of his very fragile ego will crumble to dust.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:15:20am

re: #188 Targetpractice

Another example of the wingnut support for “law and order,” the stated belief that it’s impossible for the FBI to handle more than one case at a time. They have limited manpower and so must choose between either framing the president…or investigating reports about a Youtube video.

and when they do try to get pre-emptive on a potential shooter they are derided for infringing on 2A rights

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Dizzy  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:18:43am

re: #189 Targetpractice

We’ve seen the obsession for over a year now, the need to insist every other waking moment that his election was totally legit and he didn’t win for any reason other than Hillary was a “terrible” candidate. Because the moment he acknowledges that Russia influenced the election in his favor, what’s left of his very fragile ego will crumble to dust.

@HoarseWisperer seems to have intimate knowledge of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, so when he tweets these kind of things I tend to pay attention. “Implosion will be spectacular” but I’m worried Trump will try to take down what is left of U.S. democracy before he flames out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:21:07am

re: #191 Dizzy

@HoarseWisperer seems to have intimate knowledge of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, so when he tweets these kind of things I tend to pay attention. “Implosion will be spectacular” but I’m worried Trump will try to take down what is left of U.S. democracy before he flames out.

It is unfortunate that however this ends, it cannot end well. Lashing out with nukes? not implausible. President Pence? egad…serious economic fallout from investors losing confidence in a “failed state”? also highly likely…

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:21:26am

miamiherald.com

Protestors shouting “No More Guns” at Rep. Paul Ryan’s fundraiser a couple miles from the school shooting were dragged out of the event.

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Dizzy  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:22:47am

re: #192 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is unfortunate that however this ends, it cannot end well. Lashing out with nukes? not implausible. President Pence? egad…serious economic fallout from investors losing confidence in a “failed state”? also highly likely…

Firing Meuller is still not off the table if he thinks he has nothing to lose.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:23:26am

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹

miamiherald.com

Protestors shouting “No More Guns” at Rep. Paul Ryan’s fundraiser a couple miles from the school shooting were dragged out of the event.

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wrong approach. They need to go in chanting “More guns! Arm everyone!” and see what happens.

Or perhaps not, they will be taken seriously as that is a common response that we have seen

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:26:13am

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

wrong approach. They need to go in chanting “More guns! Arm everyone!” and see what happens.

Or perhaps not, they will be taken seriously as that is a common response that we have seen

From the Herald article linked above:

Thorne said she found Ryan in the middle of the room — “I shook his hand and everything,” she said — and introduced herself as a teacher and Key Biscayner.

“Nice,” the Republican congressman replied.

“Nice?” Thorne said. “You’re here celebrating the death of 17 children.”

At that, Thorne said, Ryan told her he “didn’t want to talk politics” or argue. When Thorne tried to continue, security escorted her out. She chanted “No more guns!” on her way out the door, she said.

Read more here: miamiherald.com

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:30:49am

It would be kinda great if Trump stroked out on Presidents Day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:31:30am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

At that, Thorne said, Ryan told her he “didn’t want to talk politics” or argue. When Thorne tried to continue, security escorted her out. She chanted “No more guns!” on her way out the door, she said.

A politician who is not there to talk politics?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:33:09am

absolutely no self-awareness:

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:33:26am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A politician who is not there to talk politics?

He was there to raise money.

The event was planned some time in advance (it was not planned on the heels of the mass murder).

That said, Rep. Ryan (ZEGS) doesn’t care about dead children: He’s a conservative. Children need to be sacrificed on the altar of conservatism. The teacher in the article was questioning his faith and that is not allowed in any religion.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:34:13am

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹

He was there to raise money.

.

but not to raise money for politics?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:34:40am

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹

He was there to raise money.

The event was planned some time in advance (it was not planned on the heels of the mass murder).

These murders are always so inconvenient…

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:37:33am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These murders are always so inconvenient…

Nope, not at all. They sell more guns. Especially the type of guns used in mass-murders.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:38:51am

I think this download would go faster by telegraph key.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:43:24am

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹

For real speed you need pigeons.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:44:53am

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹

I think this download would go faster by telegraph key.

this really does blow the mind: what better way to provide job opportunities for people in rural areas than to allow them to work remotely? why are we not really pushing this sort of thing instead of insisting that we can bring back coal?

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A Mom Anon  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:49:24am

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Lobby shops. I wish we could shut k street down entirely, but the people who need to vote on those things make too much money off the way things are. Greed is what’s killing us.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:49:28am

re: #205 A Mom Anon

For real speed you need pigeons.

Or two cans and a very long string.

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

this really does blow the mind: what better way to provide job opportunities for people in rural areas than to allow them to work remotely? why are we not really pushing this sort of thing instead of insisting that we can bring back coal?

Well, to work remotely, you first need Internet service. (I can’t speak to service available in other areas, just this one.) No one can work remotely here as Internet service is only available in the towns and is hideously expensive.

A push for Internet access for all would need to happen first. Perhaps if it could be sold as the Interstate Highway System was (a national defence initiative) then it could get done.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:52:22am

re: #207 A Mom Anon

Lobby shops. I wish we could shut k street down entirely, but the people who need to vote on those things make too much money off the way things are. Greed is what’s killing us.

Amazon works around the problems here a little bit. Amazon accepts cheques (though you have to ask them to set your account up that way), and sends things through the US Mail here (because UPS won’t deliver here).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:54:26am

re: #209 Anymouse 🌹

Amazon works around the problems here a little bit. Amazon accepts cheques (though you have to ask them to set your account up that way), and sends things through the US Mail here (because UPS won’t deliver here).

Infrastructure issues.

Something that has to be done on a national scale, which means a Federal program.

If we can build a wall, we can build a fucking high-speed transmission network.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 5:58:17am

I’m going back to bed…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:00:10am

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m going back to bed…

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So stupid.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:03:52am

Download 84% complete … it seems to have picked up the pace. Perhaps it is descending a hill on the Information Superhighway.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:12:32am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:16:43am

re: #214 jaunte

Since when is Adam Schiff blaming President Obama for Russian meddling?

And wasn’t the Trumpian talking point only last week that there was no Russian meddling?

And regardless of whether President Obama was aware of it or not, he is no longer the president. Shouldn’t President Trump be getting around to implementing the sanctions recommended to him by an overwhelming majority of the House and Senate if he is actually concerned about Russian meddling?

Can someone translate Wingnut to English for me?

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:16:59am

The president* is insane.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:23:42am

Did I mention I hated Microsoft?

The program is now downloaded.

Turns out it is an image file which requires WinZip to open.

WinZip is not a free program. Corel wants money from me to download WinZip. That would take a credit card (and money I don’t have).

Thanks, Microsoft. That was less than no help.

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Dizzy  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:27:30am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

Did I mention I hated Microsoft?

The program is now downloaded.

Turns out it is an image file which requires WinZip to open.

WinZip is not a free program. Corel wants money from me to download WinZip. That would take a credit card (and money I don’t have).

Thanks, Microsoft. That was less than no help.

Use 7-zip, it’s free:
7-zip.org

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:31:37am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

Now Office says my version is “unlicensed” though I downloaded it from the official Microsoft Office site with my account.

After Outlook crashed (again), it wants me to run a “repair” program on Outlook.

I’ve only had this program since November, and already had to download it four times due to its instability.

At this point, I don’t really care any more if Office 2007 Professional is no longer supported by Microsoft against potential hacking holes. That program works. I’ve never had trouble with it.

That’s why I gave up on Office and I use Apple’s iWork suite. No charge, no license keys and it works.

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:31:53am

re: #6 jaunte

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“We want to prevent shootings not have to respond to them.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:33:38am

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

now he’s retweeting Pence

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Most of us don’t want to go back to slavery, ownership of women, children dying young, or dying from preventable diseases.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:33:58am

And that sort of sums up the problem of selling people on the idea of building out Internet infrastructure in vast rural areas of the USA.

“Well, what good will it do me?”

You can connect with the whole world, have all sorts of information at your fingertips, purchase literally anything your heart desires.

Oh by the way, you’ll need $800 worth of computer, pay $120 a month for an Internet connection, buy every piece of software for your computer to make it run, deal with badly written help pages when they don’t run correctly, spend hours on the telephone with software companies, spend hours on the telephone with the telephone company (when your Internet service goes out weekly), &c.

That is the failure of the Dems to sell this idea of the Computing Age (tm) to the vast rural areas of the country. “Well, it will be great for you!” All I see is a giant hole in my checking account. I don’t see great.

This was my beef with Hillary Clinton’s plans for education and jobs in rural areas like West Virginia. So what, she had it on a Website. That means what percentage of West Virginians could read it, even if they knew it was there? I know here that no one at all read it, because no one has access to Websites.

What does all that fancy “computer” and “Internet” do for me when all I see it do is take money out of my pocket and food off my table for my kids?—voters here.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:34:55am

re: #191 Dizzy

@HoarseWisperer seems to have intimate knowledge of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, so when he tweets these kind of things I tend to pay attention. “Implosion will be spectacular” but I’m worried Trump will try to take down what is left of U.S. democracy before he flames out.

We won’t get away without damage, but it’s up to us to recover.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:37:59am

re: #46 jaunte

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:38:00am

Well, I got a trial version of WinZip from Corel, good for twenty-one days, after which it goes dead. That should work on my fix copy of Office.

If I wanted WinZip for longer, I would need a credit card. I guess they won’t be getting anything from me.

Lots of people think Amazon is evil giant monopoly, but at least they take cheques. Jeff Bezos understands what a great portion of the USA actually deals with (no cell service, no credit cards).

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:41:47am

re: #54 Odie Hugh Manatee

Something that has puzzled me for some time is how our Declaration of Independence states:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

and yet we have an Amendment to our Constitution that is now being abused by others to deprive innocent citizens of all three of those “unalienable Rights”. Does the Second Amendment supersede the rights granted us by the “Creator” that our Founding Fathers mention? Under the current interpretation of the Second Amendment, we have lost the right to “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”.

We are a sick nation and the party in control is the one that fed the infection that has made us this way.

They would say the declaration of Independence is not law

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:42:06am

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹

Amazon also accepts my debt card and that makes me happy.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:42:10am

Limbaugh is on with Chris Wallace and he has clearly lost his fastball. If I was still a wingnut, I’d say the same thing.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:45:06am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

Now Office says my version is “unlicensed” though I downloaded it from the official Microsoft Office site with my account.

After Outlook crashed (again), it wants me to run a “repair” program on Outlook.

I’ve only had this program since November, and already had to download it four times due to its instability.

At this point, I don’t really care any more if Office 2007 Professional is no longer supported by Microsoft against potential hacking holes. That program works. I’ve never had trouble with it.

Monring!

‘mouse,

Not sure if they all still do it, but you may be able to have Microsoft send you DVD/CDs of the program. It’s always good to have it anyway if it is available.

With the way you explain your internet service, you may be getting glitches while the full program downloads thus hosing the whole thing from working properly.

See if they can send you a full copy. It will make you more legit too.

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I cannot.  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:46:38am

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹

I use WinRAR…my free trial expired like…5 years ago, except it still lets me use it (I have purchased it before, and that copy was on a dead computer).

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:50:29am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹

There was the case of a WW2 veteran who wanted to go out on a flaming Viking barge.

He spent a decade planning and building the ship (a miniature) he wanted to be sent off in. The fellow was originally an immigrant from Norway.

His family said they were thrilled he got his final wish, after the Coast Guard took his ashes and vessel to sea (a ten-foot model from the plans of a hundred-foot Viking vessel). They launched the funeral barge about three miles off the New Jersey coast, setting it on fire with a flare.

usatoday.com

The amazing thing about the model vessel was the man lost an arm in 1975 in an accident. He built his funerary barge with only one arm.

Viking funeral
Not the same story as yours

rocket gibraltar

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:50:44am

see, the man does some good things.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:52:13am

Funerals, eh? Let the VA cremate me or plant me in a dead people farm, whatever they do that’s cheap.

But if I do have a memorial service, let it be Book of Common Prayer, Mass Rite I, with service music from Faure’s Requiem.

“Man that is born of a woman hath but a short time to live, and is full of misery. He cometh up, and is cut down, like a flower; he fleeth as it were a shadow, and never continueth in one stay.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:53:00am

Quelle Surprise the software will not install. I am back waiting on a chat with Microsoft.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:54:38am

Deserves to be posted again after this morning’s meltdown.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:54:47am

re: #227 PhillyPretzel

Amazon also accepts my debt card and that makes me happy.

We do not have debit cards here.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:55:17am

re: #6 jaunte

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Don’t see that working. We’re talking about teens. They don’t have dirt in their backgrounds. They’ve just survived a mass shooting and are thus very sympathetic characters.

I wish Democrats would just come out and call the NRA exactly what it is: a terrorist group with no redeeming qualities.

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:55:55am

re: #86 JordanRules

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10 damn years old and they’re better grown ups than many

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:56:15am

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I got a trial version of WinZip from Corel, good for twenty-one days, after which it goes dead. That should work on my fix copy of Office.

If I wanted WinZip for longer, I would need a credit card. I guess they won’t be getting anything from me.

Lots of people think Amazon is evil giant monopoly, but at least they take cheques. Jeff Bezos understands what a great portion of the USA actually deals with (no cell service, no credit cards).

My version of windows offers to unzip those kinds of files, try right clicking it and look in the context menu that pops up in file explorer.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:56:32am

re: #236 Anymouse 🌹

I am sorry to hear that. And I will bet a penny they do not accept Apple Pay either.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:56:38am

re: #56 stpaulbear

Damn, you’re evil. I’m trying to get back to carb counting after a work road trip last week where every meal was meat and potatoes and bread. I gained back five pounds this month after losing 55 last year. I still have another 60 to lose this year.

I’m doing low carb and I’d eat that pastrami with my fingers (wrapped in butter lettuce with mustard would actually be how I’d eat it…maybe a little Swiss). And the chicken looked divine (which says alot from me as I don’t especially like chicken). Hold the taters and I’m good.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:57:04am

re: #235 Ace Rothstein

Not for enough Americans though. Trump’s approval ratings are inching ever upward and some polls show that he’s no longer in the red. I will be pleasantly shocked if anything changes after Parkland.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:57:20am

re: #180 Targetpractice

Either somebody told him he can’t fire Rosenstein/Mueller or they finally sat him down and broke out the finger puppets to explain how the indictments reveal his presidency to be a sham.

I’m thinking that is it. Just checking my email a few minutes ago and AP has a story out titled “Trump Overreaches To Claim Indictment Proves ‘No Collusion’”

So yes, he may have a hint. Or, he is just plain guilty, knows it, and is trying to do everything he and his staff can to keep his base riled up to protect him.

As stated before, he is relying on a literal wording of everything. The indictment didn’t say I was involved…so I am not involved.

What we have is the intelligence and make-up of a terrible-two-year-old in the body of a 13 year old boy.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 18, 2018 • 6:59:39am

re: #216 jaunte

Putin’s Puppet isn’t going to criticize Putin. It’s as simple as that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:00:04am

re: #240 PhillyPretzel

I am sorry to hear that. And I will bet a penny they do not accept Apple Pay either.

Nope. If you venture away from I-80 in this part of the state, it’s money, local cheques, or you’re screwed. (Remember that if you ever go to Yellowstone via US-26.)

You can use an ATM card at a bank.

re: #239 jeffreyw

My version of windows offers to unzip those kinds of files, try right clicking it and look in the context menu that pops up in file explorer.

Mine says WinZip is expired and won’t do anything.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:00:29am

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹

Quelle Surprise the software will not install. I am back waiting on a chat with Microsoft.

Have you got all your files backed up? If so, I’d strongly recommend a complete reinstall of Windows and then of Office 07.

The other option for a user like you is Ubuntu. Install it and in most cases it “just works”. Libre Office comes with and is probably compatible enough with MS Office 07 given the features most actual users need.

There is a new Long Term Support version coming out in April - 18.04 - and I’d suggest you at least read a bit on it between now and then. Yeah, it’s a linux but these days that’s less complex than the incantations and waving of dead chickens that MS support has increasingly required since the disaster that was Vista.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:01:43am

re: #188 Targetpractice

Another example of the wingnut support for “law and order,” the stated belief that it’s impossible for the FBI to handle more than one case at a time. They have limited manpower and so must choose between either framing the president…or investigating reports about a Youtube video.

Yeah, it’s not like there aren’t FBI offices in every major city and even some mid-size cities.

I really can’t take all of this stupidity. It actually hurts my brain to read a Trump Tweet. Ow!

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:01:54am

re: #242 Patricia Kayden

Not for enough Americans though. Trump’s approval ratings are inching ever upward and some polls show that he’s no longer in the red. I will be pleasantly shocked if anything changes after Parkland.

If that’s true, this country may be irredeemably lost. OTOH, Nixon won a true landslide victory in 1972 and was gone by 1974. I realize the situation was entirely different then but things can change very quickly.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:03:04am

re: #248 Hecuba’s daughter

True. The political climate can change very fast.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:04:13am

re: #191 Dizzy

@HoarseWisperer seems to have intimate knowledge of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, so when he tweets these kind of things I tend to pay attention. “Implosion will be spectacular” but I’m worried Trump will try to take down what is left of U.S. democracy before he flames out.

U.S. decency is way larger than Trump and his Trumpers.

We just need to make all the idiots in this country aware of the numbers again. Too many people have let this get all out of balance.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:06:34am

re: #229 ObserverArt

Monring!

‘mouse,

Not sure if they all still do it, but you may be able to have Microsoft send you DVD/CDs of the program. It’s always good to have it anyway if it is available.

With the way you explain your internet service, you may be getting glitches while the full program downloads thus hosing the whole thing from working properly.

See if they can send you a full copy. It will make you more legit too.

Microsoft doesn’t do CDs any more. Costs them too much money. They prefer downloading all their software now. As far as I can tell, I cannot get a version of Office on CD for any amount of money (though my searching Microsoft’s Website might be incomplete).

They don’t care about the vast interior of the nation with poor or no Internet service - late-stage capitalism is not interested in investing in such areas as this (note my post way up the thread where Ma Bell and auto companies 100 years ago couldn’t wait to invest here).

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:07:31am

re: #245 Anymouse 🌹

Mine says WinZip is expired and won’t do anything.

Dunno, I think widows will default to a third party program as the default app handler, or maybe the third party app makes itself the default on install. I don’t have any of those apps installed on my machine running win 10.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:09:18am

re: #252 jeffreyw

Dunno, I think widows will default to a third party program as the default app handler, or maybe the third party app makes itself the default on install. I don’t have any of those apps installed on my machine running win 10.

I got the twenty-one day trial version and successfully unzipped the file. Now I am stuck with it being unable to install because apparently the tech who was remotely operating my computer to remove the corrupt version did not remove all of it.

I am on endless chat hold now.

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:11:42am

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹

I am on in endless chat hold hell now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:12:20am

I have been at this install problem all night. I am drooping because I am so tired, and suddenly the install seems to have started.

I am about ready to toss in the idea of using computers. I lived most of my life without them, I presume I can live the rest of it without them either.

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nines09  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:15:48am

And in “Wha……. Dafuq?” news……

Russian curler suspected of doping

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Jay C  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:17:23am

re: #237 Patricia Kayden

re: #6 jaunte

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Don’t see that working. We’re talking about teens. They don’t have dirt in their backgrounds. They’ve just survived a mass shooting and are thus very sympathetic characters.

I wish Democrats would just come out and call the NRA exactly what it is: a terrorist group with no redeeming qualities.

And do you really think “lack of dirt” on, say, the teen Parkland survivors is likely to stop any gun-nut troll (or more likely, swarms of them) from going after them with as maximally vile, hateful and borderline-violent campaign as they can manage? Hopefully mainly online, though RL harassment is always possible, too. Ordinary kids can, and often do, get disgustingly harassed even without a “political” component to it: sadly, stepping on the toes of a [legal, nationwide, well-financed] terrorist-supporting group like the NRA can only make it worse.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:19:26am

“We’re experiencing higher than normal wait times. Thank you for your patience. You’re still in line for chat.”

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:21:32am
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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:26:24am

re: #187 Dizzy

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I agree though I see the word as illegitimate not unworthy

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:28:42am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

From the Herald article linked above:

I’m here to raise money not talk politics

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:29:20am

Thread (six tweets):

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:30:39am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Infrastructure issues.

Something that has to be done on a national scale, which means a Federal program.

If we can build a wall, we can build a fucking high-speed transmission network.

…for much much less

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:31:57am

re: #214 jaunte

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For god’s sake, somebody tell him the mess boys ate the strawberries
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That didn’t help

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:36:14am

The installation failed. It tells me to uninstall Office and try again.

And this is the future that Clinton and Sanders wanted to sell those in rural areas like West Virginia or the High Plains? No wonder they went in such droves to Trump.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:37:02am

Can you imagine what would have happened if President Obama attended a disco after a short hospital visit with victims of a shooting rampage? The meltdown would have been epic. But here we are with Trump visiting a disco party at Mar-a-Lago after a short hospital visit with Parkland victims. And he’s smiling up a storm. No empathy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:39:18am

re: #266 Patricia Kayden

Can you imagine what would have happened in President Obama attended a disco after a short hospital visit with victims of a shooting rampage? The meltdown would have been epic. But here we are with Trump visiting a disco party at Mar-a-Lago after a short hospital visit with Parkland victims. And he’s smiling up a storm. No empathy.

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And Republicans in lockstep kiss their leader’s ass!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:43:18am

re: #266 Patricia Kayden

Can you imagine what would have happened in President Obama attended a disco after a short hospital visit with victims of a shooting rampage? The meltdown would have been epic. But here we are with Trump visiting a disco party at Mar-a-Lago after a short hospital visit with Parkland victims. And he’s smiling up a storm. No empathy.

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I’m pretty sure that’s a cardboard cutout. There seem to be a bunch of them, identical except for the tie. Same stupid grin, same thumbs up in exactly the same place.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:44:03am

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

The installation failed. It tells me to uninstall Office and try again.

And this is the future that Clinton and Sanders wanted to sell those in rural areas like West Virginia or the High Plains? No wonder they went in such droves to Trump.

You’re saying rural people went to Trump because computers frustrate them?

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scottslemmons  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:48:09am

When I’ve got a zip file to open, I just right-click on it, select “Extract to here,” and that’s that. No need for WinZip or WinRar or anything. I have a current Windows set-up — do they not all do that?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:50:52am

re: #270 scottslemmons

When I’ve got a zip file to open, I just right-click on it, select “Extract to here,” and that’s that. No need for WinZip or WinRar or anything. I have a current Windows set-up — do they not all do that?

As of Windows 7, I think, which is also the oldest version of Windows that’s safe to use on the Internet.

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sagehen  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:52:59am

re: #214 jaunte

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I got that reference!! (only because I very recently saw The Caine Mutiny)…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:53:10am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:56:58am

re: #269 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You’re saying rural people went to Trump because computers frustrate them?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:58:09am

All this sounds like a good argument for Net Neutrality to me.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:59:13am

re: #269 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You’re saying rural people went to Trump because computers frustrate them?

It may be more that modern technology has bypassed their communities. The new corporations have no interest in moving to where they live or providing services to them. They have family and roots where they are and they don’t want to have to relocate to somewhere else in the country. But essentially that is what the Dems are telling them. Of course their ancestors abandoned the old world, left family and home behind, to go where the jobs and future were. These people have lost that spirit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 7:59:22am

re: #269 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You’re saying rural people went to Trump because computers frustrate them?

No, because the answers given to rural problems do not address the rural problems.

As I mentioned above, how does $120 a month Internet and an $800 computer plus thousands in software put food on my table to feed my kids? How is talking about all the great jobs in tech or solar going to feed cattle or bale the hay?

There was a real disconnect in the Democrats’ messages and life on the ground. Trump appealed to broad themes (make America great, as in patriotic themes), and good ol’ fashioned racism.

Telling some fifty-five year old rancher or coal miner well you can just retrain (when no one will hire a fifty-five year old, and they aren’t stupid enough to swallow that line anyway), along with no plan to get corporations to invest in those areas in the first place (and voters in those areas aren’t stupid enough to believe the magic solar company is going to appear and hire thousands of workers), and they voted for the only other candidate.

I don’t know the answer to this. I live in a whole town of college educated adults, almost all of whom voted for Trump. Reasons varied, but a lot of it came down to “what message do the Democrats have” (gee, it’s on a Website? I don’t have access to that) and “how are you going to feed my family?”

There were no answers to those questions.

While there were plenty of racists who voted for Trump (and will always vote for Republicans anyway, it’s not like Trump increased the racist vote for conservatives), there were a great number of people who just said “both sides” or “no message” and didn’t bother.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:01:52am

re: #276 Hecuba’s daughter

It may be more that modern technology has bypassed their communities. The new corporations have no interest in moving to where they live or providing services to them. They have family and roots where they are and they don’t want to have to relocate to somewhere else in the country. But essentially that is what the Dems are telling them. Of course their ancestors abandoned the old world, left family and home behind, to go where the jobs and future were. These people have lost that spirit.

Sure. Who is going to hire a fifty-seven year-old epileptic who cannot work in his own field (federal law)? Who’s going to retrain me, and even if I did, who would hire me then?

Dems have to be able to answer questions like that, or the best they can hope for is that voter stays away from the polls rather than pulling the lever for an R with an empty promise.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:02:36am

re: #277 Anymouse 🌹

You have a hell of a point there. It’s also symptomatic of the shift of our political voting power to cities, away from rural.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:02:49am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

All this sounds like a good argument for Net Neutrality to me.

If Republicans get their way and contract out Social Security to H&R Block you’ll see people grumbling about paying fees for all of the services that now cost them nothing. Bad enough people wait 6-9 months for disability claims processing now that to GOP’s endless budget cutting. and then it’s an average of 18-24 months for a hearing. Imagine Block telling you that it will take 18 months to process and you have to pay $1,500 up front. You want to appeal that denial? Fork up $2,500…of course we can finance that…at 20% rates thanks to Mick Mulavey…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:04:25am

re: #280 Joe Bacon 🌹

If Republicans get their way and contract out Social Security to H&R Block you’ll see people grumbling about paying fees for all of the services that now cost them nothing. Bad enough people wait 6-9 months for disability claims processing now that to GOP’e endless budget cutting. and then it’s an average of 18-24 months for a hearing. Imagine Block telling you that it will take 18 months to process and you have to pay $1,500 up front. You want to appeal that denial? Fork up $2,500…of course we can finance that…at 20% rates thanks to Mick Mulavey…

For sure. I was just thinking about poor and slow internet in rural areas and how that negatively impacts people in many ways.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:05:06am

re: #277 Anymouse 🌹

No, because the answers given to rural problems do not address the rural problems.

As I mentioned above, how does $120 a month Internet and an $800 computer plus thousands in software put food on my table to feed my kids? How is talking about all the great jobs in tech or solar going to feed cattle or bale the hay?

There was a real disconnect in the Democrats’ messages and life on the ground. Trump appealed to broad themes (make America great, as in patriotic themes), and good ol’ fashioned racism.

Telling some fifty-five year old rancher or coal miner well you can just retrain (when no one will hire a fifty-five year old, and they aren’t stupid enough to swallow that line anyway), along with no plan to get corporations to invest in those areas in the first place (and voters in those areas aren’t stupid enough to believe the magic solar company is going to appear and hire thousands of workers), and they voted for the only other candidate.

I don’t know the answer to this. I live in a whole town of college educated adults, almost all of whom voted for Trump. Reasons varied, but a lot of it came down to “what message do the Democrats have” (gee, it’s on a Website? I don’t have access to that) and “how are you going to feed my family?”

There were no answers to those questions.

While there were plenty of racists who voted for Trump (and will always vote for Republicans anyway, it’s not like Trump increased the racist vote for conservatives), there were a great number of people who just said “both sides” or “no message” and didn’t bother.

$120/mo seems unlikely. Internet is usually around $40, and you can get a good laptop for $300 these days. Old people will have trouble retraining, but a mobile workforce can enable young people to stay in rural America rather than continuing the brain-drain from rural areas to the cities.

Accepting Trump’s lies that he’ll bring back high-paying manual labor jobs because they prefer that to learning to live in advancing society is choosing to be a dead-ender and trying to drag the country down with them.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:05:36am

re: #268 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

huffingtonpost.com

“The president’s attendance at the disco party occurred amid a Twitter storm over a group photo featuring a smiling Trump giving a thumbs up while posing with law enforcement officers who responded to the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The photo is Trump’s new header photo on his Twitter page. Twitter comments slammed the president’s “tone-deaf” demeanor.”

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:06:10am
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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:06:11am

re: #191 Dizzy

@HoarseWisperer seems to have intimate knowledge of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, so when he tweets these kind of things I tend to pay attention. “Implosion will be spectacular” but I’m worried Trump will try to take down what is left of U.S. democracy before he flames out.

I’m petrified that he had the nuclear arsenal at his corrupt fingertips and will take half of civilization out with him before he is gone.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:06:42am

Meanwhile, I am still waiting in the outer circle of Perdition to get anyone on the chat line from Microsoft …

I can’t count the number of guns in this town of 128. I can count the number of computers on one hand (there are four).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:06:56am

re: #284 jaunte

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JFC these people.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:07:59am

re: #283 Patricia Kayden

huffingtonpost.com

“The president’s attendance at the disco party occurred amid a Twitter storm over a group photo featuring a smiling Trump giving a thumbs up while posing with law enforcement officers who responded to the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The photo is Trump’s new header photo on his Twitter page. Twitter comments slammed the president’s “tone-deaf” demeanor.”

Don’t worry. Right now Franky Graham and his Pulpit Pimp Pals along with their Catholic Bishop allies are all spreading the message that Trump is Gawd’s Man and he’s bringing dignity back to the White House. It’s just another Sunday brainwashing session filled with Frank Luntz tested GOP talking points.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:08:33am

Adaption is a part of the human experience. I was in school as computers and the internet became more part of the academic experience.

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sagehen  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:10:18am

re: #269 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You’re saying rural people went to Trump because computers frustrate them?

Because with no access to computers, they had no access to the information that persuaded all of us NOT to go to Trump.

They get Fox, they get Sinclair stations, they get talk radio, there’s maybe a local newspaper that’s either part of a mega-corp chain or owned by the richest guy within 500 miles… and that’s it. That’s all they have to base their views on. GIGO.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:10:32am

re: #282 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

$120/mo seems unlikely. Internet is usually around $40, and you can get a good laptop for $300 these days. Old people will have trouble retraining, but a mobile workforce can enable young people to stay in rural America rather than continuing the brain-drain from rural areas to the cities.

Accepting Trump’s lies that he’ll bring back high-paying manual labor jobs because they prefer that to learning to live in advancing society is choosing to be a dead-ender and trying to drag the country down with them.

My slow-ass service is $120 a month. It will rise in April to $140. Maybe I can get $40 Internet if I sign up for dial-up in Denver, I don’t know.

What is this “mobile workforce” of which you speak? Here we call that “migrant farm workers.”

The only way to stop the drain from rural areas is to invest in rural areas. Late-stage capitalism is only interested in this quarter’s profits, not the next generation of people living somewhere.

Since you’re not going to get rid of the Electoral College, these areas being hollowed out by greed of corporations and lack of investment by government will grow only more resentful.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:11:07am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Adaption is a part of the human experience. I was in school as computers and the internet became more part of the academic experience.

I was working for Sears at the tower when PC’s came out. I went from working with paper spreadsheets, to automating the newspaper advertising analysis process. It led to a career in software creation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:11:37am

re: #290 sagehen

Because with no access to computers, they had no access to the information that persuaded all of us NOT to go to Trump.

They get Fox, they get Sinclair stations, they get talk radio, there’s maybe a local newspaper that’s either part of a mega-corp chain or owned by the richest guy within 500 miles… and that’s it. That’s all they have to base their views on. GIGO.

That’s exactly what we have here. That’s why in my township of roughly six hundred voters, Hillary Clinton got eight votes.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:11:45am

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

The installation failed. It tells me to uninstall Office and try again.

And this is the future that Clinton and Sanders wanted to sell those in rural areas like West Virginia or the High Plains? No wonder they went in such droves to Trump.

I can understand your frustration and your comment certainly reflects it.

You are leaving out part of the Democrat’s plan though and basing your dislike on it.

Part of the plan was to bring hi-speed data connections to those places too. It’s all part of infrastructure and we can’t even make our bridges safe. Where is the allotment of money to fix the internet connection issues like yours if we can’t even fix existing bridges?

You have a wired phone right?

All of my internet and now TV is coming through my wired phone line with ATT. So, the tech is there, ATT just needs to spend the money to get it to you. I live in a bigger city, we have been a test bed for much of it.

A little government money and push to the tech companies can get internet to you. But where is congress??? Where is Trump???

So go ahead and bag on Bernie and Hillary…that is going to accomplish a lot.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:12:05am

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I got a trial version of WinZip from Corel, good for twenty-one days, after which it goes dead. That should work on my fix copy of Office.

If I wanted WinZip for longer, I would need a credit card. I guess they won’t be getting anything from me.

Lots of people think Amazon is evil giant monopoly, but at least they take cheques. Jeff Bezos understands what a great portion of the USA actually deals with (no cell service, no credit cards).

FYI, My trial version never expired. It just asks for a license with a remind option. I say “remind me in 7 days” and go. I’ve had it for years.

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:12:31am

Woman sets up birdie photo booth

Sort of a refined version of Jeffrey’s birdie pics.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:12:33am

Whoa, that battle when Russian mercenaries attacked a US force in Syria? It was a bigger battle than first reported.
Russian toll in Syria battle was 300 killed and wounded: sources

Get ready for the coldest phase of a cold war ever. We are already at war in cyber, via proxy forces and now Mueller is proving the breadth and depth of his attack on our election.

200 Russians dead at US military hands.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:13:56am

re: #272 sagehen

I got that reference!! (only because I very recently saw The Caine Mutiny)…

I’d rather someone pulled a “I just threw your stinkin’ palm tree overboard” on him instead.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:14:06am

re: #297 Unshaken Defiance

Luckily, they were “not Russian troops.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:15:12am

re: #299 jaunte

No, Wagner company thugs. Same guys that stole Crimea from Ukraine. I wish we could bomb them all month. But I’m unkind that way. And non troop Russian caualty families are cranking up the pressure.

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scottslemmons  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:15:17am

re: #291 Anymouse 🌹

What is this “mobile workforce” of which you speak? Here we call that “migrant farm workers.”

I’m reminded of the retirees who travel the country in mobile homes going to various Amazon distribution centers to work for a few months in their warehouses because they have no money and no one else will hire them. :(

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:15:32am
“Russian officials deny they deploy private military contractors in Syria, saying Moscow’s only military presence is a campaign of air strikes, a naval base, military instructors training Syrian forces, and limited numbers of special forces troops.”

Apparently they weren’t even Russian contractors.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:16:07am

Have any wingnuts started attacking these students that are speaking out on the shooting?

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:16:13am

You can see why Trump is the Russians’ kind of guy.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:17:23am

re: #242 Patricia Kayden

Not for enough Americans though. Trump’s approval ratings are inching ever upward and some polls show that he’s no longer in the red. I will be pleasantly shocked if anything changes after Parkland.

That thumbs-up picture should kill his approval ratings with all thinking people. He’ll never go below 27% as that seems to be the floor of crazy. Literally 27% of Americans are certifiably insane.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:17:27am

re: #302 jaunte

Uh huh. Color me skeptical. The Russians simply lie.

en.wikipedia.org

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:17:30am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Adaption is a part of the human experience. I was in school as computers and the internet became more part of the academic experience.

I graduated from high school in 1973 just when the Bowmar Brain calculators were hitting the market costing $500. And when I started at Pitt in the fall of 1973 HP calculators were just coming on the market and their cost was so high that the Pitt Bookstore sold them on an installment plan that added $1000 to the tuition bill.

BTW when I started at Pitt, tuition was $485 per trimester and the same amount was charged for room and board. Now the tuition starts at over $18,000 and do NOT even ask how much room and board is.

Oh I thought paying off an undergraduate loan amount of $8,250 was a pain in the ass…Kids now graduating with a debt of $100K Plus…

But this is the result of the Powell Memorandum putting college out of reach for kids and keeping the masses dumbed down.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:18:31am

re: #244 Patricia Kayden

Putin’s Puppet isn’t going to criticize Putin. It’s as simple as that.

He can’t. His financial outlook and what he has of a reputation are owned by Russia.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:18:59am

re: #291 Anymouse 🌹

My slow-ass service is $120 a month. It will rise in April to $140. Maybe I can get $40 Internet if I sign up for dial-up in Denver, I don’t know.

What is this “mobile workforce” of which you speak? Here we call that “migrant farm workers.”

The only way to stop the drain from rural areas is to invest in rural areas. Late-stage capitalism is only interested in this quarter’s profits, not the next generation of people living somewhere.

Since you’re not going to get rid of the Electoral College, these areas being hollowed out by greed of corporations and lack of investment by government will grow only more resentful.

The Republicans are not going to bring faster, less expensive Internet to rural areas. They need to vote for Democrats if they want that to happen. Modern businesses can’t set up in rural areas if there’s poor Internet connectivity.

The mobile workforce are people who work for smart companies that understand that they save money by using remote workers and meeting over Skype, self-employed software developers, and remote contract workers in our crappy gig economy. With housing costs low in rural areas, short-term contract work is a lot more viable than in expensive cities and suburbs, but you have to have Democrats built out the Internet for that to be viable. Accepting Republican lies will kill rural America.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:19:14am

re: #306 Unshaken Defiance

“The company’s name comes from Utkin’s own call sign (“Wagner”), which he allegedly chose due to a passion for the Third Reich.”

Odd choice for a Russian “patriot.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:19:52am

re: #299 jaunte

Luckily, they were “not Russian troops.”

The rest of the “Not Troops” Russians are surely looking for payback. And they can do it with impunity, unless we regard them as the Russians they are, just like our Blackwater guys were our guys.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:19:53am

re: #303 Ace Rothstein

Have any wingnuts started attacking these students that are speaking out on the shooting?

I’m looking at my family’s web pages and yes they are repeating the attacks being transmitted by the GOP 24/7 Bullshit Machine cranked up to 11.

Oh, and they’re also bashing the Girl Scouts telling the Party members to boycott those cookie sales since the Girl Scouts promote witchcraft and lesbianism…

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:21:29am

re: #294 ObserverArt

I can understand your frustration and your comment certainly reflects it.

You are leaving out part of the Democrat.s plan though and basing your dislike on it.

Part of the plan was to bring hi-speed data connections to those places too. It’s all part of infrastructure and we can’t even make our bridges safe. Where is the allotment of money to fix the internet connection issues like yours if we can’t even fix existing bridges?

You have a wired phone right?

All of my internet and now TV is coming through my wired phone line with ATT. So, the tech is there, ATT just needs to spend the money to get it to you. I live in a bigger city, we have been a test bed for much of it.

A little government money and push to the tech companies can get internet to you. But where is congress??? Where is Trump???

So go ahead and bag on Bernie and Hillary…that is going to accomplish a lot.

I’m not bagging on Clinton and Sanders per se. I’m bagging on the messaging. Putting the message up on a Website for rural areas to read is worthless.

Take a look of a NASA photo of North America at night. See the big black spot with no lights that looks like North Korea in the middle of the country? That’s where I live.

There are a lot of black spots like that across the USA on such a photo. A Website is useless in such areas: You have to go to that area and make your pitch in person.

Folk up above questioned whether areas like this would take Apple Pay when we don’t even take credit cards here. I can’t donate to a candidate in a close House or Senate race of my meager funds unless they put up a US Mail address on their Websites, and most people round here at least can never see a Website.

Take for example Randy Bryce, running against Paul Ryan. He’s on Twitter and Facebook. He’s taking donations through Act Blue. He has a Website that has an actual mail address (which I presume I can send a cheque to), but no one here can see his Website.

I presume it matters in his own district, which probably has better Internet service and more than one right-wing newspaper for news. But when I’ve mentioned Mr. Bryce to people here, the answer is that of an owl: “Who?”

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:21:57am

re: #256 nines09

And in “Wha……. Dafuq?” news……

Russian curler suspected of doping

I saw that this morning. In a sport where they rail on fatties (of which I am one) being able to participate (which I don’t), the fucking Russians still have to cheat.

I hope they lost the bronze. Give it to the Swiss.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:22:40am

Snort. I read “Schlock Mercenary” daily. It’s a comedic SF comic strip set in 3100 AD. The biggest laugh isn’t the punch line really - instead the author makes a comment on the changes of mythology and stories a thousand years can bring.

“It’s just like the season finale of “Babylon Abby” when Jesus, Janeway and Optimus Prime fought the Daleks!”

I wish I’d had a cat around to scare with the laugh that got out of me.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:23:43am

re: #310 jaunte

Odd choice for a Russian “patriot.”

Especially since that attack was an attempt to take a very profitable oil and gas field, something the guy that runs Wagner is perfectly positioned to take the cash from.

Interesting note from Wiki-

Russian experts as well as some people who have been personally involved with Wagner Group believe that the Wagner Group does not actually exist and is but a myth created by Russian propaganda and in reality it is a disguised branch of the Russian MoD.[54][55][56][57][58][59][60] Private military companies are not legally allowed in Russia; nevertheless a number of them appear to have been operating in Russia and in April 2012 Vladimir Putin, then Russian prime minister, speaking in the State Duma endorsed an idea of setting up PMCs in Russia.[61] Several military analysts described Wagner as a “pseudo-private” military company that offers the Russian military establishment certain advantages such as ensuring plausible deniability, public secrecy about Russia′s military operations abroad, as well as about the number of losses.[62][61][63] Thus, Wagner contractors have been described as “ghost soldiers”, due to the Russian government not officially acknowledging them.[64] In March 2017, Radio Liberty characterised the ChVK Wagner as a ″semi-legal militant formation that exists under the wing and on the funds of the Ministry of Defence″.[65] In September 2017, the chief of Ukraine′s Security Service (SBU) Vasyl Hrytsak said that in their opinion Wagner was in essence ″a private army of Putin″ and that the SBU were ″working on identifying these people, members of Wagner PMC, to make this information public so that our partners in Europe knew them personally″.[19][66]

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:23:59am

re: #256 nines09

And in “Wha……. Dafuq?” news……

Russian curler suspected of doping

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:25:03am

re: #283 Patricia Kayden

huffingtonpost.com

“The president’s attendance at the disco party occurred amid a Twitter storm over a group photo featuring a smiling Trump giving a thumbs up while posing with law enforcement officers who responded to the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The photo is Trump’s new header photo on his Twitter page. Twitter comments slammed the president’s “tone-deaf” demeanor.”

Huffington post is obviously part of the conspiracy to cover up Trump’s stroke, or they were taken in by the cardboard cutout.
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sagehen  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:25:19am

re: #307 Joe Bacon 🌹

I graduated from high school in 1973 just when the Bowmar Brain calculators were hitting the market costing $500. And when I started at Pitt in the fall of 1973 HP calculators were just coming on the market and their cost was so high that the Pitt Bookstore sold them on an installment plan that added $1000 to the tuition bill.

BTW when I started at Pitt, tuition was $485 per trimester and the same amount was charged for room and board. Now the tuition starts at over $18,000 and do NOT even ask how much room and board is.

My parents graduated from high school in 1948; when they started at City College (dad) and Hunter College (mom), tuition was $0. Room and board was you live with your parents. They didn’t even have to buy books (the library was 24-hour, and bus passes were included with your tuition).

That’s why I got to grow up in a nice house, in an upscale neighborhood, with a swimming pool, piano lessons, summer camp and ski trips.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:25:30am

re: #215 Anymouse 🌹

Since when is Adam Schiff blaming President Obama for Russian meddling?

One of the Sunday morning tv shows must have mentioned it. The story is actually two days old:

Top Democrat says Obama shares responsibility for Russia’s meddling

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration’s muted response to the 2014 Sony hack may have laid the groundwork for Russia’s meddling in the 2016 elections, a top Democrat argued Friday.

Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said the previous administration should have established a “more forceful deterrent” against potential adversaries considering cyberattacks against the U.S. or its institutions.

snip

“I’m certain that had John McCain or Mitt Romney been the nominee in 2016, they would have said, ‘Russia, butt the hell out,’” Schiff said. “But that’s not who Donald Trump was.

But the Obama administration shared some responsibility for what happened because of its response to Russia’s actions.

“We should have called them out much earlier,” Schiff said. “While I respect the motive in terms of the Obama administration, they didn’t want to be seen as meddling, the American people had a right to know what was going on and could be trusted to do the right thing with it. And they should have defended being more public and aggressive at the time, at least in my view.”

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:25:33am

re: #267 Joe Bacon 🌹

And Republicans in lockstep kiss their leader’s ass!

That’s the most infuriating - and damning - thing about it.

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:25:35am

just another perspective:

im stuck in windows because complex commercial tax prep software isnt made for linux or apple. if it were i’d use linux.

i do almost everything in the cloud. (yes i have good internet).
gmail (7 accounts, one interface), google drive, docs, sheets, storage etc.

when i need ‘software’ and / or compatibility with other people, i use only widely available open source. unless its something very specific or esoteric, there has been nothing in the last 10 years i couldnt do. so i’ve been successful, (and i guess a bit lucky)

apache open office (docs, s/s, powerpoint, database, etc)
7zip
audacity
Foxit (pdf reader / editor)
pdf creator
pdf split and merge
Chrome
Teamviewer
Calibre
Freefilesync
GnuCash

i do use windows media player, just because

fwiw

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:26:12am

re: #301 scottslemmons

I’m reminded of the retirees who travel the country in mobile homes going to various Amazon distribution centers to work for a few months in their warehouses because they have no money and no one else will hire them. :(

A mobile home costs more than everything I own, including my house and land.

Still, I am way better off now than I was in the late Nineties and early Aughts. I was homeless.

My wife did her part for veteran homelessness—she married me. And to think she first contacted me on a dating site because she thought I was a Romance scammer and was working with the Webmaster to remove those from the site.

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:26:14am

re: #298 William Lewis

I’d rather someone pulled a “I just threw your stinkin’ palm tree overboard” on him instead.

better

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:27:25am

re: #269 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You’re saying rural people went to Trump because computers frustrate them?

No. Because life frustrates them. They feel (often rightfully) ignored. When Dems try to do something, most resist. Look at tech training in WV. They want coal not retraining.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:28:32am

re: #309 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The Republicans are not going to bring faster, less expensive Internet to rural areas. They need to vote for Democrats if they want that to happen.

Your first sentence hit the nail on the head.

It seems it is beneficial to the Republicans to keep ‘mouse’s town and others like them all over this country disconnected. It more or less keeps small town thinking of the 50s alive and well. Look at who and where is not connected. Who do they vote for, what are they scared of?

They are scared of a tech world that brings them liberal thinking and porn over the internet. The churches are not big on that!

The GOP is keeping people like ‘mouse frustrated and down. And by his sour comment borne of frustration it works. Keep large areas of America disconnected from modern media and you control the voting message with your old tech…radio, stodgy TV and newspapers.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:29:33am

re: #276 Hecuba’s daughter

It may be more that modern technology has bypassed their communities. The new corporations have no interest in moving to where they live or providing services to them. They have family and roots where they are and they don’t want to have to relocate to somewhere else in the country. But essentially that is what the Dems are telling them. Of course their ancestors abandoned the old world, left family and home behind, to go where the jobs and future were. These people have lost that spirit.

Republicans keep killing efforts to get broadband to rural communities across the country. There was a story on ARSTechna just yesterday.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:31:07am

re: #325 MsJ

No. Because life frustrates them. They feel (often rightfully) ignored. When Dems try to do something, most resist. Look at tech training in WV. They want coal not retraining.

Wanting to die in unprofitable coal mines is a problem that they cause themselves. Republicans won’t get them the death of black lung that they prefer to retraining, they just lie to them, telling them they will. Democrats can’t help them if they’re locked into a refusal to learn, and a misguided hatred of the people who want to help them. They prefer comforting lies. They’re not ignored, they just refuse a the hand-up that Democrats want to give them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:32:30am

re: #307 Joe Bacon 🌹

I graduated from high school in 1973 just when the Bowmar Brain calculators were hitting the market costing $500. And when I started at Pitt in the fall of 1973 HP calculators were just coming on the market and their cost was so high that the Pitt Bookstore sold them on an installment plan that added $1000 to the tuition bill.

BTW when I started at Pitt, tuition was $485 per trimester and the same amount was charged for room and board. Now the tuition starts at over $18,000 and do NOT even ask how much room and board is.

Oh I thought paying off an undergraduate loan amount of $8,250 was a pain in the ass…Kids now graduating with a debt of $100K Plus…

But this is the result of the Powell Memorandum putting college out of reach for kids and keeping the masses dumbed down.

College was out of reach for kids before the Powell Memorandum. I graduated in 1978 and was accepted to a number of colleges. My mother plainly told me “I can’t afford it.”

Though I was the salutatorian of my class, college was out-of-reach. I was accepted to the colleges I applied to; my family could not afford any.

Instead, it was the high seas and Haze Grey Cruise Lines for me.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:33:02am

re: #292 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I was working for Sears at the tower when PC’s came out. I went from working with paper spreadsheets, to automating the newspaper advertising analysis process. It led to a career in software creation.

I was in training. I took our entire workforce into computerized operations. That led to more and more systems training and finally to the software company I’m now at.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:33:26am

re: #325 MsJ

No. Because life frustrates them. They feel (often rightfully) ignored. When Dems try to do something, most resist. Look at tech training in WV. They want coal not retraining.

They want a printed copy of the Democratic plan, not a Website they can’t access. They want a candidate to come visit, not a Webpage.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:33:44am

re: #326 ObserverArt

They are scared of a tech world that brings them liberal thinking and porn over the internet. The churches are not big on that!

Virtual Reality Porn Is The Next Greatest Threat To The Church (Lunatic site)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:34:35am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:35:09am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹

College was out of reach for kids before the Powell Memorandum. I graduated in 1978 and was accepted to a number of colleges. My mother plainly told me “I can’t afford it.”

Though I was the salutatorian of my class, college was out-of-reach. I was accepted to the colleges I applied to; my family could not afford any.

Instead, it was the high seas and Haze Grey Cruise Lines for me.

Conservatives blame student loans for the high cost of for-profit colleges. I think there’s some truth in that.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:35:14am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the Sunday morning tv shows must have mentioned it. The story is actually two days old:

Top Democrat says Obama shares responsibility for Russia’s meddling

snip

I agree to some extent—nothing Obama did was going to win support from GOPers; he might as well have just said “I don’t care if they call me a tyrant, I’m going public with this stuff and McConnell can go suck it.” But that’s not who he was or what his administration was about (as Biden notes in the next paragraph).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:35:15am

Community colleges are. Good thing too. Far more practical than Sanders free college plan and tbh experiencing comm college for a couple years before transferring made me a better student.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:35:34am
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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:35:49am

re: #301 scottslemmons

I’m reminded of the retirees who travel the country in mobile homes going to various Amazon distribution centers to work for a few months in their warehouses because they have no money and no one else will hire them. :(

They now have traveling nurses. I saw it on Tiny Homes. She wanted to have a tiny home so she’d have a place of her own every time she moved, which was alot.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:35:52am

re: #322 dangerman

Just out of curiosity can you run your special software under WINE? Or in a VM? Then you could limit your exposure to the Windows Virus Operating System at least.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:36:08am
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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:36:13am

re: #327 MsJ

Republicans keep killing efforts to get broadband to rural communities across the country. There was a story on ARSTechna just yesterday.

This goes to my #326. It benefits them to continue killing those efforts.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:38:20am

re: #331 Anymouse 🌹

They want a printed copy of the Democratic plan, not a Website they can’t access. They want a candidate to come visit, not a Webpage.

Did Trump come to Nebraska? I can’t remember.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:38:58am

I’m still in line for chat with Microsoft. Apparently they have only one person on duty to chat with rural areas (I’ll bet if I lived in Los Angeles or New York I would have gotten through at least an hour ago).

I’m going to close that chat window and head to bed. I will try to solve the now ten-hour nightmare that has been an f’ed up reinstallation of Office.

Good thing I’m an unemployed disabled vet. If I was a real American with a job and all, I wouldn’t have time for all this computer crap.

Good night (or morning) y’all.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:39:05am

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

A mobile home costs more than everything I own, including my house and land.

Still, I am way better off now than I was in the late Nineties and early Aughts. I was homeless.

My wife did her part for veteran homelessness—she married me. And to think she first contacted me on a dating site because she thought I was a Romance scammer and was working with the Webmaster to remove those from the site.

That’s fascinating. Tell us more!

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nines09  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:39:44am

re: #317 MsJ

Yeah. The spiked drink excuse. I use that all the time.

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:41:45am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹

College was out of reach for kids before the Powell Memorandum. I graduated in 1978 and was accepted to a number of colleges. My mother plainly told me “I can’t afford it.”

Though I was the salutatorian of my class, college was out-of-reach. I was accepted to the colleges I applied to; my family could not afford any.

Instead, it was the high seas and Haze Grey Cruise Lines for me.

Ditto, though my steel coffin of choice was land based instead & I got an all expenses paid trip to the Federal Republic of Germany thrown in ;)

I did try to apply for Warrant Officer Flight School and had the grades & scores, but in the early 80’s they had plenty of volunteers and so my marginal color vision kept me out of it. A few years earlier or later & who knows?

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:42:17am

re: #339 William Lewis

Just out of curiosity can you run your special software under WINE? Or in a VM? Then you could limit your exposure to the Windows Virus Operating System at least.

I’ve been on the Windows platform creating digital graphic art since 1991.

I have had one virus in all that time and with all those (8) computers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:42:57am

re: #334 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Conservatives blame student loans for the high cost of for-profit colleges. I think there’s some truth in that.

I couldn’t go to the college she graduated from (Michigan State). My mother and her mother remain the only people in my family to ever attend college.

There are times I wish I could have gone to school. When I was being mustered out on disability (before I was informed the law requires the college benefits of anyone listed 100% disabled be revoked), the testing I was given by the VA recommended fields of physics, chemistry, and mathematics.

Instead I get to edit erotic Romance novels for a few pennies (unless someone takes one of those novels and makes a movie out of it, the royalties won’t even buy me lunch).

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:44:29am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:44:39am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I may not agree with Jimmy Dore but he hit the bulls-eye exposing Brokaw for the fake that he is!

Tom Brokaw Unwittingly Reveals Whats Wrong With Corporate Journalists

Dad had his arm crushed in an accident. For five years the only thing that kept a roof over the head, heat in the winter, clothes on our backs and food on the table were Social Security checks. That’s why I wanted to work for the agency, to pay back what they did for us in our time of need…

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:45:16am

re: #347 ObserverArt

I’ve been on the Windows platform creating digital graphic art since 1991.

I have had one virus in all that time and with all those (8) computers.

I was snarking that Windows was the virus, but yeah, appropriate use and care is the key to avoiding the real ones.

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nines09  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:46:33am

Gathering what is being tweeted by Trump this morning I think we have entered a new phase. The “Flop Sweat Tweet Storm”. You can read the sweat in the words.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:46:44am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:49:01am

re: #353 GlutenFreeJesus

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Fucker. The Buck never stops with him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:49:15am

re: #353 GlutenFreeJesus

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Hmmm, I wonder why no RepubliKKKlan wants to remind us that Shittler and the KKKeebler Elf ordered the FBI to leave the Alt-Right alone and focus on going after Islam. I guess Frank Luntz coached them on that…

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:49:16am

re: #339 William Lewis

Just out of curiosity can you run your special software under WINE? Or in a VM? Then you could limit your exposure to the Windows Virus Operating System at least.

i set up a test box and tried, and no.
some of the more popular individual 1040 programs probably do - taxact, turbotax, etc.

complex professional preparer software falls on its face - 990’s, 706’s very complex partnerships that feed the individuals

plus tax s/w has to be rewritten every year so even if it worked last year, that’s no guarantee

my s/w does now have a cloud option. at this stage we’re happy with not rocking the boat

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:54:42am

re: #334 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Conservatives blame student loans for the high cost of for-profit colleges. I think there’s some truth in that.

Very few for-profit colleges are legitimate and provide a decent level of training for jobs in the real world.

That said — and I know I’m a broken record on this — our real problem is that due to technology and off-shoring, there aren’t enough jobs with sufficient pay out there to employ all who wish to work. This situation will not improve over time. People will assert we have faced this before and and new careers appeared due to new technologies. But these is no guarantee that this continues to be true — it’s magical thinking.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:55:12am

re: #344 MsJ

That’s fascinating. Tell us more!

I was drifting across the country, sometimes sofa-surfing, sometimes just making do.

I had an account on a Website for people with disabilities. I would occasionally log in to see that no one had left me messages.

When I got to South Carolina, I’d updated my location, but still showed a Zip Code from Missouri. My wife, who was working with the Website owner, was scanning accounts for potential scammers, and the mismatch of my Zip Code and location flagged her.

So she engaged me in conversation (the first person who had ever done so and I’d been on the site for a few years). The conversation went from her becoming convinced I was not a scammer to discussions about our broader interests, to me scraping up every last dime I could for a one-way plane ticket to meet her.

Now we’re married. There was an article done about us in the Ponca City (Okla) News when we married, but I can’t find it now (the link is around here somewhere I’m sure).

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:56:43am

im off

weeds need a-whackin’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:56:46am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:58:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:59:17am

sigh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:00:56am
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:01:30am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gee. What happened to giving kids free computers? Or a kindle to read some books online?

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William Lewis  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:03:31am

re: #356 dangerman

i set up a test box and tried, and no.
some of the more popular individual 1040 programs probably do - taxact, turbotax, etc.

complex professional preparer software falls on its face - 990’s, 706’s very complex partnerships that feed the individuals

plus tax s/w has to be rewritten every year so even if it worked last year, that’s no guarantee

my s/w does now have a cloud option. at this stage we’re happy with not rocking the boat

Understand. I am able to do my work with simpler things - Darktable, The GIMP, Libre Office, the games I like are either native, Steam or WINE - but nothing I need is all that specialized except perhaps the RAW conversion for photography but Darktable with LensFun compiled in does what I need.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:04:05am

re: #358 Anymouse 🌹

That is fascinating. And congratulations to you both.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:04:52am

re: #257 Jay C

And do you really think “lack of dirt” on, say, the teen Parkland survivors is likely to stop any gun-nut troll (or more likely, swarms of them) from going after them with as maximally vile, hateful and borderline-violent campaign as they can manage? Hopefully mainly online, though RL harassment is always possible, too. Ordinary kids can, and often do, get disgustingly harassed even without a “political” component to it: sadly, stepping on the toes of a [legal, nationwide, well-financed] terrorist-supporting group like the NRA can only make it worse.

We need faces in this movement: that means brave people who are going to subject to threats and abuse…but unless we can give the public people to identify with, abstract notions of gun control will still remain in the NRA’s hands

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calochortus  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:05:34am

re: #294 ObserverArt

I got to the part in your comment on internet access where you said “AT&T just has to spend the money…” and laughed. They won’t. We live on the edge of Silicon Valley a couple miles outside the densely populated part of the Peninsula in a community of about 550 houses, just off the freeway. The people closer to the entrance to said community have a choice between AT&T (lousy quality of service) or Comcast (expensive.) A mile away from “the boxes” we can’t get AT&T internet service. A decade ago AT&T touted the fact they are expanding the network all the time. They don’t say that any more because they aren’t, and they never did here. They ain’t gonna spend the money to improve their infrastructure because landline phones aren’t exactly the wave of the future.

Internet access follows money, which means a concentration of customers. Rural America, and even many suburban areas don’t have that.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:06:46am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:07:58am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:09:15am

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:10:12am

re: #366 MsJ

That is fascinating. And congratulations to you both.

Thanks. It is a rather unusual story of two lovebirds meeting.

As for now, I’m off to bed. I’m pretty much done fighting with Microsoft. They don’t seem to want to talk to me now that they uninstalled my version of Office and the new copy won’t load.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:10:43am

Soooooooo… This is a disturbing trend. I’m seeing these kinds of tweets across all kinds of content from curling to entertainment to everything.

Some rando handle (often with Russian numberings schemes) tweeting to rando websites. There are thousands of these accounts and websites and the accounts often times tweet each other.

I find this bizarre. It’s too widespread to be coincidence. The only reason I’m seeing these is that I searched Curling and then followed to the various accounts to see what else they tweeted about.

This is disconcerting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:12:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:14:05am

re: #291 Anymouse 🌹

My slow-ass service is $120 a month. It will rise in April to $140. Maybe I can get $40 Internet if I sign up for dial-up in Denver, I don’t know.

That amazes the fuck out of me, I get flat rate, high-speed DSL for around $50 per month in Germany

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:14:43am

LOL…extra long “executive time” today watching TV, since he’s supposedly honoring the dead by not golfing…

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calochortus  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:15:17am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That amazes the fuck out of me, I get flat rate, high-speed DSL for around $50 per month in Germany

Yeah, but we revel in our freedom to pay more.
//

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:16:21am

All of us, unfortunately, have a tendency to pay too much attention to what Trump says or tweets. The US media is the worst, reporting on things he says as if they have meaning, but we all do it. We instinctively think that what he tweets is reflective of his inner thoughts and worries about things like the Mueller investigation, and parse his words to gain insights. I suppose this is because we’re used to the idea that a president, or even an adult human, has a normal causative connection between thoughts and words.

There is no thought or meaning behind what Trump tweets. His morning tweetstorms are not indicative of him waking up and angrily tweeting out what he is seething over. His thought processes are goldfish-like. His tweetstorms are nothing more than the evoked emotional reflexes from watching FOX and Friends. When he tweets out angry word-farts, he is giving us an insight into the inner monologue of every FOX and Friends viewer, and every right-wing media cultist across the US. Their programming is designed to create this - a vast horde of human drones that no longer have discernible thought, but rather unthinking emotional responses that the network is in complete control of.

This is what we must destroy. This is what we must overcome. Not bad actors or foreign criminals, though they too have a role in it. Pod people. That’s the enemy we face.

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ckkatz  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:16:39am

re: #351 William Lewis

I was snarking that Windows was the virus, but yeah, appropriate use and care is the key to avoiding the real ones.

A wit noted some years ago that a computer virus was easier to install than Windows. And worked better.

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jeffreyw  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:20:22am

re: #294 ObserverArt

I have a Frontier ADSL account that gives me max download speeds of about 2.75Mbps - it comes in through the phone lines. They are just now deploying new tech that comes in the same way, bonding two twisted pair lines that they claim is good for 12Mbps down and 1.5 up. The local installer is coming by this Wednesday to set me up. If it only delivers half of what they claim it will double my speed.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:21:19am

Heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:21:23am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:22:10am
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ckkatz  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:23:23am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That amazes the fuck out of me, I get flat rate, high-speed DSL for around $50 per month in Germany

I greatly sympathize with Anymouse’s frustration. Particularly since Korea and Germany have shown how building an internet infrastructure can be built and how it can integrate a country.

The US’s current mess is one of the fruits of the 1980’s deregulation movement. The urban areas get better, cheaper service while the rural and poor areas get very little service. This is what is happening with air travel and postal service as well. As the deregulation movement is generally a Republican ‘thing’, and since the rural areas vote disproportionally for Republicans…

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nines09  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:23:47am

re: #381 MsJ

Canadian curling team found to have Bob and Doug McKenzie in blood work results.

Great White North Song

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:24:12am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:25:34am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That amazes the fuck out of me, I get flat rate, high-speed DSL for around $50 per month in Germany

Same here in the Czech Republic.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:27:02am

re: #384 ckkatz

Even in a large city like Philadelphia one can get DSL or cable for internet. Verizon is the local phone company and I was on DSL for a while until they gave me an ultimatum: Either sign up for FiOS (fiber optic) or lose your service. This is why I have FiOS.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:28:21am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That amazes the fuck out of me, I get flat rate, high-speed DSL for around $50 per month in Germany

My friends in France were shocked to see how much Time Warner charges for internet service that is 1/4 the speed of what they have…

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:30:54am

re: #368 calochortus

Like electrification, that needs a good old fashioned socialist regulation and program. TVA anyone? Did a lot for that economy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:32:14am

I have “DSL Lite” because high speed is not available at my house.
Anymouse’s internet speed is lightning faster than mine.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:33:21am

FTR internet providers are happy to ignore certain parts of cities. At my work, best available internet at any price is ten down and one up. $30,000 quote to fix it. Under a mile from LA HQ for AT&T.

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BigPapa  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:33:42am

One of my employees just got Gigbit to his house. On copper coax.

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calochortus  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:35:11am

re: #390 Unshaken Defiance

Like electrification, that needs a good old fashioned socialist regulation and program. TVA anyone? Did a lot for that economy.

IIRC, even AT&T providing rural phone service back in the day required government intervention.

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Mattand  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:38:22am

re: #393 BigPapa

One of my employees just got Gigbit to his house. On copper coax.

Do you know from whom and how much? My goal is to drop cable, go internet only, and subscribe to Playstation Vue. The problem is that when I drop cable, Verizon and Comcast jack up the internet subscription cost.

Right now, I have 50/50 FiOS TV and internet for about $114 a month (no premium channels). Every time I look at cord cutting, internet only and PS Vue goes to $120 a month.

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Mattand  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:40:42am

re: #390 Unshaken Defiance

Like electrification, that needs a good old fashioned socialist regulation and program. TVA anyone? Did a lot for that economy.

Yeah, at this point, internet service is no longer a luxury. It’s a fucking utility like water and power. I can drive 8 miles from my house into Camden, NJ and there’s people and school kids with zero access, because we, as a country, still consider the internet a luxury.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:41:43am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:42:49am

re: #395 Mattand

Do you know from whom and how much? My goal is to drop cable, go internet only, and subscribe to Playstation Vue. The problem is that when I drop cable, Verizon and Comcast jack up the internet subscription cost.

Right now, I have 50/50 FiOS TV and internet for about $114 a month (no premium channels). Every time I look at cord cutting, internet only and PS Vue goes to $120 a month.

I’m in Los Angeles. Before I dumped the cable box I was paying $190 a month for cable and high speed internet. Now I pay $89.95 a month for high speed internet and replaced the box with an Apple TV. I pay for HBO, Showtime and FilmStruck. Glad my cable $$$ is no longer financing Pulpit Pimping Fraudsters, FAUX and Screwpert Murdoch!

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:43:20am

re: #394 calochortus

IIRC, even AT&T providing rural phone service back in the day required government intervention.

Exactly. TVA=Tennessee Valley Authority.

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BigPapa  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:43:40am

re: #395 Mattand

It’s through Spectrum. But 50/50 is more than enough to dump cable. You can get multiple HD streams on 50MB.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:43:43am

Projectin’ like an IMAX in Outer Space. TEH YOOJEST IMAX IN TEH ENTIRE UNIVERSE!!!1!!1!!

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:43:53am

re: #396 Mattand

Yeah, at this point, internet service is no longer a luxury. It’s a fucking utility like water and power. I can drive 8 miles from my house into Camden, NJ and there’s people and school kids with zero access, because we, as a country, still consider the internet a luxury.

It’s an economic multiplier.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:44:22am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I’m certain that had John McCain or Mitt Romney been the nominee in 2016, they would have said, ‘Russia, butt the hell out,’” Schiff said. “But that’s not who Donald Trump was.

AFAIK, neither of those people have any active business dealings with Russia…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:45:04am

re: #396 Mattand

Yeah, at this point, internet service is no longer a luxury. It’s a fucking utility like water and power. I can drive 8 miles from my house into Camden, NJ and there’s people and school kids with zero access, because we, as a country, still consider the internet a luxury.

Because well-to-do people see the internet as Facebook and Twitter and YouTube, a place for entertainment. They don’t see it as the only place to find job openings, for example.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:45:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:46:39am
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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:46:44am

re: #396 Mattand

Many times these places coincide with urban food deserts too.

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BigPapa  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:46:59am

So Biz ISP is stupid expensive = 60/20 for $325. But it’s ‘guaranteed’ since it’s business.

Our resi is 300/20 and cable for less than $150.

So I swapped the modems between business and home. Totally stupid but whatever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:48:56am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:52:59am

re: #408 BigPapa

So Biz ISP is stupid expensive = 60/20 for $325. But it’s ‘guaranteed’ since it’s business.

Our resi is 300/20 and cable for less than $150.

So I swapped the modems between business and home. Totally stupid but whatever.

I have a 100/20 (118/23 at the moment) Comcast Business connection at $220/mo.
300/20 is a fantastic home Internet speed. I’d have that instead of my business connection if that was available here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:54:08am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

President sees Russian interference the entire world only in personal terms.
where’s the outrage over an attack on our NATIONAL interests? the condemnation of Putin’s constant attack on US values and system?
when does the Commander in Chief take command?

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:54:53am

re: #410 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I have a 100/20 (118/23 at the moment) Comcast Business connection at $220/mo.
300/20 is a fantastic home Internet speed. I’d have that instead of my business connection if that was available here.

As long as Americans think free market capitalism is the answer to all problems, we will fall farther and farther behind. It takes regulation and a lot of government control to prosper.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:56:00am

re: #405 jaunte

I appreciate what this guy is saying but I unfollowed him because he went full BernieBro during the elections.

Glad he’s on board now. Earlier would have been more helpful.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:57:39am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

@realDonaldTrump
If it was the GOAL of Russia to create discord, disruption and chaos within the U.S. then, with all of the Committee Hearings, Investigations and Party hatred, they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They are laughing their asses off in Moscow. Get smart America!
7:11 AM - Feb 18, 2018
33,952 33,952 Replies 18,718 18,718 Retweets 63,732 63,732 likes

He is absolutely right. We should get smart and throw him, Pence, and every Russian enabling Republican (all of them, Katie) out of the government and into prison where they belong as traitors to this country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:59:41am

re: #412 Hecuba’s daughter

As long as Americans think free market capitalism is the answer to all problems, we will fall farther and farther behind. It takes regulation and a lot of government control to prosper.

my hobby horse,

to capitalists, things like health care, education, infrastructure maintenance, environmental and safety regulations are cost factors that need to be minimized to maximize profits, and not seen as necessary investments in a healthy workforce, a prospering economy and a stable society.

and we have let capitalists have run of the country

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:00:29am

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jay C  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:02:20am

BTW, that Russian-contractor-led assault at Deir es-Zor in Syria? According to a CNN report - it was a major intelligence failure/serious mistake. Short version: Russian mercs and a local Christian militia assaulted what they thought was an “unoccupied” oilfield (it had been held by ISIL until the latter were driven off a while back): it turned out to be well-defended by a US proxy force who kicked their asses, leaving numerous bodies behind - numbers are still notably (and probably deliberately) unclear.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:02:44am

Yeah Dirty Donny, Obama should never have accepted the results of the election WHICH WAS RIGGED, JUST LIKE YOU SAID IT WAS. How would you & your Deplorables have taken that?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:03:32am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:05:32am

re: #418 The Vicious Babushka

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Yeah Dirty Donny, Obama should never have accepted the results of the election WHICH WAS RIGGED, JUST LIKE YOU SAID IT WAS. How would you & your Deplorables have taken that?

Holy shit. How needy can you get?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:05:34am
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BeachDem  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:07:16am

re: #421 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And I’d guess he wrote that tweet himself, what with the misspelling of “led.”

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:08:01am

They bathe in ignorance.

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BeachDem  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:13:45am

One thing I cannot forgive Bakari Sellers for is recommending fucking Andre Bauer as a panelist for CNN:

Bauer: “When I grew up it was Andy Griffith. You never had school shootings and we still had prayer in school and we drove to school with guns in the car.”

Bull to the shit.
rawstory.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:13:54am

re: #423 JordanRules

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They bathe in ignorance.

Think of it as an experiment, where the Control Group is Europe.

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Jay C  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:14:05am

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

I agree with Emma: I almost cannot believe that the President of the United Fucking States can’t even manage the simple-human-decency part of his job well enough not to mar a tragedy like the Parkland school shooting (with the blood of the victims scarcely dry) by tweeting out self-important bullshit, childish insults and rancid braggadocio just a few miles away.
Then I remember who said POTUFS is…..

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:18:00am

re: #426 Jay C

Emma is 18 (?), and has more class, maturity and intelligence than the 71-year-old President of the United States. Think about that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:19:07am

re: #427 Ace Rothstein

Emma is 18 (?), and has more class, maturity and intelligence than the 71-year-old President of the United States. Think about that.

A 10 year old has more class, maturity, and intelligence than Trump!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:19:39am

re: #427 Ace Rothstein

Emma is 18 (?), and has more class, maturity and intelligence than the 71-year-old President of the United States. Think about that.

Emma is not a narcissistic sociopath.

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scottslemmons  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:19:41am

re: #426 Jay C

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I agree with Emma: I almost cannot believe that the President of the United Fucking States can’t even manage the simple-human-decency part of his job well enough not to mar a tragedy like the Parkland school shooting (with the blood of the victims scarcely dry) by tweeting out self-important bullshit, childish insults and rancid braggadocio just a few miles away.
Then I remember who said POTUFS is…..

By the end of this week, he’ll be calling for letting the shooter go. “He’s a very fine person, very fine person. He’s a Trump supporter, he wants to Make America Great Again, what’d he do that’s so wrong? Buncha whining Democrat babies want special treatment…”

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:20:01am

re: #423 JordanRules

They bathe in ignorance lies.

Both, really

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:20:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:20:23am

re: #428 Hecuba’s daughter

A 10 year old has more class, maturity, and intelligence than Trump!

as do my dogs and cats…

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:21:02am

re: #429 Blind Frog Belly White

Emma is not a narcissistic sociopath.

And far more mature than this baby in the WH.

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Jay C  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:23:10am

re: #427 Ace Rothstein

Emma is 18 (?), and has more class, maturity and intelligence than the 71-year-old President of the United States. Think about that.

Low bar to hurdle, to be sure: but yeah.
And braver, too: hope she’s upgraded her Internet security.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:23:37am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow, imagine the full hat trick. Russia, the NRA and Trump all tied up in one prosecutorial package.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:24:35am
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:25:48am

re: #436 Unshaken Defiance

If that were true, what would happen to the NRA? Would they be shut down?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:26:21am

re: #437 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is there nothing this animal will not destroy?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:26:43am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:27:23am

re: #439 Ace Rothstein

Is there nothing this animal will not destroy?

Putin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:27:55am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:29:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:32:17am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:32:46am

I find myself more and more in agreement with Jim Jeffries argument about regulation of things like guns:

‘We have to play to the 1% that are such fuckwits they ruin it for the rest of us. We have to walk as slow as our slowest person to keep society fucking moving, right? I take drugs like a fucking champion, right? [Audience cheering] We should all be allowed to take fucking drugs, but we can’t, can we? Because Sarah took drugs and she stabbed her fucking kids. Oh! “Oh, thanks, Sarah. You fucked it up for everyone.” ‘

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:34:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:36:23am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:41:03am

re: #439 Ace Rothstein

Is there nothing this animal will not destroy?

Trump properties.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:41:58am
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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:42:45am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:43:53am

I see Adam Schiff hasn’t bothered to respond to Trump yet.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:44:57am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:46:20am

re: #450 JordanRules

Russian troll on life in the lie factory: “There were two shifts of 12 hours, day and night. You had to arrive exactly on time, that is, from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. There were production norms, for example, 135 comments of 200 characters each…” washingtonpost.com
9:59 AM - Feb 18, 2018

I am skeptical about the accuracy of this report. How can someone in Russia make these comments without worrying about falling out a window or being shot in a robbery?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:46:20am

What really sucks is that not only do we have a spineless asshole for a President. We also have spineless assholes as the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:46:27am

He’s still an asshole, and mostly he’s also full of shit. But I can’t argue with this.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:47:55am

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

What really sucks is that not only do we have a spineless asshole for a President. We also have spineless assholes as the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader.

They may not be spineless — just treasonous.

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Mattand  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:49:01am

re: #400 BigPapa

It’s through Spectrum. But 50/50 is more than enough to dump cable. You can get multiple HD streams on 50MB.

Yeah, I’m fine with the speed. The problem is if I go internet only, my internet-only bill jumps to about $70 a month. The tier of PS Vue I’m looking at is about $50 a month, so I’m actually paying $5 more a month.

Part of the issue is local sports. We watch *just* enough to want to include that. That said, I need to see if how going Hulu and internet only works. The other issue is that the better half doesn’t want to have to hunt down her favorite show across different services.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:49:27am

re: #456 Hecuba’s daughter

They may not be spineless — just treasonous.

I’m too lazy to dig up the meme but…why not both?

:P

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:50:37am
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Mattand  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:51:15am

re: #445 Blind Frog Belly White

I find myself more and more in agreement with Jim Jeffries argument about regulation of things like guns:

I’m really not sure I follow that. Jeffries sound like he’s pissed off that drugs are illegal because one person ruined it for everyone. That’s basically the argument the ammosexuals and the NRA drag out everytime there’s a mass shooting.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:51:23am

re: #458 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m too lazy to dig up the meme but…why not both?

:P

AOTK —- All of them, Katie

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:52:58am

re: #453 Hecuba’s daughter

I can understand that and one should surely always keep a skeptical eye.
That being said…it’s WaPo so I grant them credibility as a start. Also, throughout history, reporters have been able to get inside just about every society and government (regardless of how oppressive) and get stories. It’s what they do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:54:20am

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

In May 2013, Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen confirmed to CBS News that Trump was already spending $1,000,000 on research for a potential presidential bid. www.

It only started when he came down the escalator!!!

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:56:29am

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is that a million in real dollars or in Trump dollars?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:57:03am

re: #464 jaunte

Is that a million in real dollars or in Trump dollars?

a million in other people’s dollars.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:58:18am

re: #460 Mattand

I’m really not sure I follow that. Jeffries sound like he’s pissed off that drugs are illegal because one person ruined it for everyone. That’s basically the argument the ammosexuals and the NRA drag out everytime there’s a mass shooting.

Actually, it’s the opposite. He’s saying we have to make drugs illegal because even though lots of people can handle them, some people can’t and the consequences are too great.

The NRA argues that we have to let crazy nutballs have guns so that ‘law abiding gunowners’ aren’t inconvenienced. Jefferies is saying we have to inconvenience ‘law abiding gun owners so crazy nutballs DON’T have guns.

Highly recommend watching his whole bit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:59:03am

heh

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:59:28am

re: #464 jaunte

Is that a million in real dollars or in Trump dollars?

Rubles.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:59:45am

The NY Daily News tweets it’s entire editorial, word for word.
I have included every individual tweet behind the button, so that every image the attached is viewable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:59:58am

Rango absorbing sunlight. Keeps him charged up so that he has enough energy for napping later….

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:02:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:03:36am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:04:04am

re: #467 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Dumb guy seeks attention.

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:06:12am

re: #469 FormerDirtDart

The NY daily News tweets it’s entire editorial, word for word.
I have included every individual tweet behind the button, so that every image the attached is viewable.

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pretty good and accurate editorial

though it’s not “we” who let this happen. it’s only some of we.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:06:38am

Arrrgh, I can’t stand these people…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:08:37am
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:09:57am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:10:49am

re: #476 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Let’s see if that motherfucker can stop himself from counterattacking.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:11:04am

re: #469 FormerDirtDart

And I’m sure you can guess right where the replies to those tweets went…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:11:44am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:12:09am
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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:13:12am

Ire: #476 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh no. I uh, don’t think I like this. He should stay away.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:16:13am
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BlueGrl21  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:17:28am

There is a school walkout on March 14th for the victims.

My husband has already said he will be walking out with his students. Period.

My 15 year-old son plans to find his dad and hold his hand.

I can’t even.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:17:58am

It’s like I said before: the Good guys with guns vs. Bad Guys with guns scenarios are all predicated on the fact that SOMEONE just HAS to have a gun!

Are we really so stupid to accept that we have become unable to resolve our disputes without people getting shot?

This is beyond fucked up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:18:35am

re: #482 JordanRules

I

Oh no. I uh, don’t think I like this. He should stay away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:19:33am

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting Times  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:20:00am

re: #416 MsJ

Best reply:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:20:25am

re: #485 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s like I said before: the Good guys with guns vs. Bad Guys with guns scenarios are all predicated on the fact that SOMEONE just HAS to have a gun!

Are we really so stupid to accept that we have become unable to resolve our disputes without people getting shot?

This is beyond fucked up.

To be fair, the wingularity does, in fact, have a point in that outlawing guns does not mean that criminals will no longer have guns. Those who are determined to commit a crime with a firearm will, in fact, do so. What it DOES do, however, is ensure that a weapon designed to easily slaughter other people is not the easy and obvious choice for someone who is going to commit a crime and is looking for a weapon to make himself more intimidating to his victim(s).

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:20:37am

re: #475 Eclectic Cyborg

Arrrgh, I can’t stand these people…

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These people should have stayed in school.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:20:53am

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Okay kids, which of you has parents who voted for President Trump?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:22:42am

JFC!!!

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:22:50am

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

They didn’t say it would be high school students from Parkland.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:23:15am

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

Let’s see how well this incompetent bunch can put together some quick turnaround Kabuki theater in this environment.
Oh boy.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:24:42am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:27:15am
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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:29:36am

re: #404 Blind Frog Belly White

Because well-to-do people see the internet as Facebook and Twitter and YouTube, a place for entertainment. They don’t see it as the only place to find job openings, for example.

The now and future data information and communication backbone

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:29:39am

re: #463 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It only started when he came down the escalator!!!

To the cheering of the paid actors who were supposedly supporters.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:31:11am
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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:33:56am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:34:15am

re: #499 Ace-o-aces

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SAD!

Is that because of all the drivers taking knees?

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:35:22am

re: #404 Blind Frog Belly White

Because well-to-do people see the internet as Facebook and Twitter and YouTube, a place for entertainment. They don’t see it as the only place to find job openings, for example.

My brother wrote this earlier today

It’s like the tv and radio and phone. The standards are no longer standards if you’re paying attention and want other options. And whereas the standards for tv, radio, and phone are 100 years old, the standards for operating systems are only 30 - and have very limited life remaining

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:35:58am
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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:37:27am

re: #472 Backwoods_Sleuth

How fucked are we that we have become a nation that requires lawmakers talk to the POTUS via Twitter?

FML.

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:38:39am

re: #423 JordanRules

[Embedded content]GOP Governor: Don’t blame guns for school shootings, it’s the video games and movies

They bathe in ignorance.

Cruz was orphaned twice. Not well off
Didnt own or play video games

Gop gov: see?

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:38:59am

re: #476 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not a chance in hell this happens. Not without background checks and looking or for Democrats. Not gonna happen.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:40:45am

I just finished a walk around my neighborhood getting signatures for my petition. My ward leader and I managed to get 7 signatures. He was happy that we got that many. My neighbors have become skeptical about how one person can make a difference. My ward leader said he would try to get a few more signatures during the week.

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lizardofid  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:45:07am

re: #506 MsJ

Not a chance in hell this happens. Not without background checks and looking or for Democrats. Not gonna happen.

If it happens at all, it’ll be behind closed doors, with trump doing all the talking in a photo op afterwards.

I hate to see this great young people “managed” by these gangsters.

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Jay C  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:46:13am

re: #471 jaunte

So are they just realizing NOW that maybe “Socrates Puppetopolous” wasn’t actually a early Trump-supporter??

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dangerman  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:50:41am

re: #485 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s like I said before: the Good guys with guns vs. Bad Guys with guns scenarios are all predicated on the fact that SOMEONE just HAS to have a gun!

Are we really so stupid to accept that we have become unable to resolve our disputes without people getting shot?

This is beyond fucked up.

AND that the shooting has already started

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:51:09am

re: #481 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gack. Just had a friend post on the Book of Faces about how Canada, Norway, and Finland have gun laws “just about” like those in the US? His source? John Derbyshire, who also lies about Switzerland and Israel. 💩

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scottslemmons  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:56:03am

A couple of years old, but still horrifyingly relevant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:56:06am
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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:58:37am

A little Russian history leading up to the first Romanov Tsar:

“[The eight-year-old] Dmitry’s death was ruled an accident; he’d supposedly stabbed himself during a fall or a seizure while playing with a knife. His mother was sent off to a nunnery to silence her.”

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:01:53pm

“…Official investigators concluded however that Dimitriy’s death was an accident. They cut a “tongue” from the cathedral bell that rung the news of Dimitriy’s death and “exiled” it to Siberia.”
en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:02:54pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:03:37pm

re: #514 jaunte

A little Russian history leading up to the first Romanov Tsar:

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Been reading Simon Sebag-Montefiore’s history of the Romanovs, and they were a bloodthirsty, decadent, power-hungry and inbred bunch from the very start. No wonder it took a violent and cathartic revolution to end their rule and it will take them more than a century to even start to recover from three centuries of Romanov rule.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:04:42pm

re: #485 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s like I said before: the Good guys with guns vs. Bad Guys with guns scenarios are all predicated on the fact that SOMEONE just HAS to have a gun!

Are we really so stupid to accept that we have become unable to resolve our disputes without people getting shot?

This is beyond fucked up.

No solution proposed by Americans involves reducing the number of guns. Americans, even supposedly reasonable ones, reasonable and responsible gun owners, do not and will not support any measure that might reduce the number of guns, or restrict the purchase of guns in any meaningful way. The majority of the American people might not like gun massacres, but they like having gun massacres more than they would like any reduction in the number of guns, or any significant impediment that would stop people easily acquiring guns. To the American consciousness, guns are more sacred than anything. Nothing is more important than keeping precious, precious guns.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:06:49pm

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I would be willing right here to support an effort to grant permanent citizenship to whatever number of illegal immigrants there are in the country, tomorrow, if you will make as part of the deal they can’t vote for 15-25 years.” ]

grant them legal residence, they can then apply for citizenship, which takes 3-5 years

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:07:14pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:09:28pm

re: #197 Barefoot Grin

It would be kinda great if Trump stroked out on Presidents Day.

That would be great on any day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:09:29pm

It never seems to occur to Republicans that they could stop being racist and become a lot more appealing to conservative immigrants. Instead they call for taxation without representation.

Immigrants tend to be conservative in many ways, with a strong sense of family but they also have a strong sense of community, and that means good schools and strong community institutions, things that the GOP seems to have little regard for because they cost tax money.

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sagehen  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:10:02pm

re: #513 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Away from the glare of television cameras, many European diplomats and policymakers echoed the same concerns. One diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity to avoid provoking Trump, asked whether policymakers like McMaster who adhere largely to traditional U.S. foreign policy positions were falling into the same trap as Germany’s elite during Hitler’s rise, when they continued to serve in government in the name of protecting their nation.

nothing to see here…

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:13:28pm
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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:16:20pm

re: #524 Kragar

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What Trump actually said was that “Russia never medaled in our election.” Which, of course, is a lie as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:16:27pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:19:10pm
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allegro  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:20:28pm

re: #518 Renaissance_Man

No solution proposed by Americans involves reducing the number of guns. Americans, even supposedly reasonable ones, reasonable and responsible gun owners, do not and will not support any measure that might reduce the number of guns, or restrict the purchase of guns in any meaningful way. The majority of the American people might not like gun massacres, but they like having gun massacres more than they would like any reduction in the number of guns, or any significant impediment that would stop people easily acquiring guns. To the American consciousness, guns are more sacred than anything. Nothing is more important than keeping precious, precious guns.

I disagree. IIRC only 36% of Americans are gun owners or live with a person who owns a gun. Of the 64% of Americans who do not own guns I betcha damn near every one of them would be happy to see guns gone or at least severely restricted. It’s assumptions such as you make that help keep our gun culture and these horrific massacres alive and well.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:20:47pm

re: #514 jaunte

A little Russian history leading up to the first Romanov Tsar:

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Bloody

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:22:07pm

re: #528 allegro

I disagree. IIRC only 36% of Americans are gun owners or live with a person who owns a gun. Of the 64% of Americans who do not own guns I betcha damn near every one of them would be happy to see guns gone or at least severely restricted. It’s assumptions such as you make that help keep our gun culture and these horrific massacres alive and well.

A good fraction of gun owners wouldn’t have any problem with military style guns being banned.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:22:34pm
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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:25:15pm

re: #531 FormerDirtDart

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Interesting Times  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:26:41pm

re: #528 allegro

I disagree. IIRC only 36% of Americans are gun owners or live with a person who owns a gun. Of the 64% of Americans who do not own guns I betcha damn near every one of them would be happy to see guns gone or at least severely restricted. It’s assumptions such as you make that help keep our gun culture and these horrific massacres alive and well.

I see your point and his, because don’t forget people like ex-lizard Dark_Falcon who, even though he owned no guns himself, would scream like a stuck pig at the thought of restricting them in any way (“disarmament”, he called it).

So until proven otherwise, I just figure all the GOPers and GOPer-lite types among US voters will gladly vote for an NRA lickspittle to spite libruls even if they think assault weapons are too easy to get. This is just how ~62 million American voters roll, brainwashed Fox cultists who’ll crap all over their own best interests just to stick it to the libs.

What we do have going for us is the untapped reserve of non-voters who might finally realize they can make a difference when they show up.

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Archangelus  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:27:17pm
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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:27:17pm

This week in The Emoluments Family

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Frenchy  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:30:02pm

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

15-25 years…is that how long he reckons it’ll be before the right wing has completed its full subversion of our government, having replaced it with full blown autocratic rule, so that those votes will no longer matter by that point? Sounds about right on our current trajectory.

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Charmingly Persistent  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:30:19pm

re: #530 Belafon

A good fraction of gun owners wouldn’t have any problem with military style guns being banned.

I have been a gun owner since I was 17, and I think people can go to specialized gun ranges to shoot assault rifles (and machine guns, and shoulder-mounted rocket launchers for that matter) safely. No one needs to own them personally.

I also think gun owners should be required to keep their weapons locked away, with the ammo locked separately. I would be happy to take a course and get a license if the rest of the gun owners would as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:32:59pm

re: #535 jaunte

This week in The Emoluments Family

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meteor  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:33:50pm
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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:34:08pm

re: #538 Backwoods_Sleuth

The apartment building is sold on the high value neighbours you could have once you’ve moved in. A famous cricketer, a media mogul or a slew of wealthy business people Russian mafia?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:34:35pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:34:55pm

re: #517 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Been reading Simon Sebag-Montefiore’s history of the Romanovs, and they were a bloodthirsty, decadent, power-hungry and inbred bunch from the very start. No wonder it took a violent and cathartic revolution to end their rule and it will take them more than a century to even start to recover from three centuries of Romanov rule.

Agree — but Dimitri probably DID die by accident (he was an epileptic subject to violent seizures, also being illegitimate, he wasn’t eligible to succeed to the throne).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:38:29pm

re: #533 Interesting Times

What we do have going for us is the untapped reserve of non-voters who might finally realize they can make a difference when they show up.

Major reason that GOP lost in 2012 was because Romney could not mobilize The Base. They won in 2016 because Trump did an outstanding job of it.

OIne reason Dems lost in 2016 because too many voters could not generate enough enthusiasm for Hillary to get out and vote for her or were convinced that it made little or no difference.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:38:52pm

First Family of Money Launderers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:39:21pm

re: #537 Charmingly Persistent

THIS!!

I own a handgun and a couple of .22 Rifles. I enjoy target shooting every now and then. I have no desire to own an AR-15 and I don’t think that any schmuck with a grudge should be able to easily get one. Heck, I don’t think ANYONE should be able to easily get one!

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allegro  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:39:40pm

re: #533 Interesting Times

I see your point and his, because don’t forget people like ex-lizard Dark_Falcon who, even though he owned no guns himself, would scream like a stuck pig at the thought of restricting them in any way (“disarmament”, he called it).

So until proven otherwise, I just figure all the GOPers and GOPer-lite types among US voters will gladly vote for an NRA lickspittle to spite libruls even if they think assault weapons are too easy to get. This is just how ~62 million American voters roll, brainwashed Fox cultists who’ll crap all over their own best interests just to stick it to the libs.

What we do have going for us is the untapped reserve of non-voters who might finally realize they can make a difference when they show up.

Valid point. The reverse is also true. For instance, I have a handgun (target shooting in a previous life) and a rifle (professional reasons), both of which are dismantled and have been for years. My husband was a hunter and had guns and he was all for the ban on assault weapons, a point Belafon also noted. I do not agree that all GOP voters are all-in on guns, in fact I think many if not most of even them would support assault weapons bans and increased gun restrictions. Of the GOP voters I know, guns are not their reasons for voting that way. The volume of the voices on Fox and Twitter are not indicative, IMO, of actual numbers.

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Interesting Times  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:42:15pm

…and we’ve found a perfect squawking point for the bad-faith GOPers -_-

Even if this were true, let’s look at two famous instances with the so-called “Good Guy with a gun”:

Jeanne Assam

At the second location, Murray killed two more victims and wounded three others before Jeanne Assam, who was present at the church service taking place there, fired at Murray and struck him several times, ending his assault.

Sergeant-at-Arms hailed as hero for stopping Parliament Hill gunman

Vickers is credited with shooting Zehaf-Bibeau during a gunfight inside Parliament Hill. Zehaf-Bibeau entered the Hall of Honour at around 10 a.m. Wednesday after soldier Nathan Frank Cirillo was fatally shot at the National War Memorial just off Parliament property.

Notice what the two cases have in common? As others have mentioned upthread re this issue, shooting had already started, but more important than that, people had already been killed.

Edited to add: The second case happened in Canada, and I shudder to think of how much higher the death toll would’ve been if the killer had been able to get his hands on an AR-15.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:45:07pm

re: #547 Interesting Times

…and we’ve found a perfect squawking point for the bad-faith GOPers -_-

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Even if this were true, let’s look at two famous instances with the so-called “Good Guy with a gun”:

Jeanne Assam

Sergeant-at-Arms hailed as hero for stopping Parliament Hill gunman

Notice what the two cases have in common? As others have mentioned upthread re this issue, shooting had already started, but more important than that, people had already been killed.

Pearl, MS school shooting also fits this pattern.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:45:34pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:47:16pm

Black Panther expected to come in at around $220 million opening weekend. That would put it SECOND ALL TIME in North America behind only The Force Awakens.

Analysts had predicted $165 Million.

Take that, motherfuckers.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:48:11pm

re: #548 The Vicious Babushka

This is a great paragraph in the snopes article:

It’s undeniable that Joel Myrick played a key role in apprehending Luke Woodham, but Myrick didn’t prevent or curtail the shooting at Pearl High, as Woodham had already shot several people, broken off his attack, exited the school, entered the parking lot, and was attempting to leave the school in his car when he was finally confronted by the armed assistant principal.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:48:51pm

re: #547 Interesting Times

Not to mention the Sargent at Arms is highly trained, not just some pistol packing schmuck with a CCW.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:48:55pm

re: #549 Belafon

2nd Amendment? Madison & Jefferson voted to ban guns from U. of VA campus (1824). Too dangerous, they thought. The Constitution is no bar to sane gun laws and policies.

and that was long before bump stocks and 30-round magazines

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:49:20pm

re: #550 Eclectic Cyborg

Black Panther expected to come in at around $220 million opening weekend. That would put it SECOND ALL TIME in North America behind only The Force Awakens.

Analysts had predicted $165 Million.

Take that, motherfuckers.

Went and saw it this morning. Really good movie.

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Interesting Times  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:49:24pm

re: #546 allegro

I do not agree that all GOP voters are all-in on guns, in fact I think many if not most of even them would support assault weapons bans and increased gun restrictions. Of the GOP voters I know, guns are not their reasons for voting that way.

But they’ll still vote for an NRA GOPer over a Dem proposing sensible gun safety measures, correct? If that’s the case, for all intents and purposes, they’re just as bad as the ammosexuals (that is, they enable them just like the but muh tax cuts types enable racism and bigotry even when they claim to be in favor of things such as DACA).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:50:19pm

re: #553 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And in line with the original intent of the Amendment, since the Militias would have no need for a presence on campus.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:51:29pm

re: #554 Belafon

Went and saw it this morning. Really good movie.

Daughter2 is there now. She has not yet been accosted and flattened.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:51:42pm

re: #545 Eclectic Cyborg

THIS!!

I own a handgun and a couple of .22 Rifles. I enjoy target shooting every now and then. I have no desire to own an AR-15 and I don’t think that any schmuck with a grudge should be able to easily get one. Heck, I don’t think ANYONE should be able to easily get one!

re: #546 allegro

Valid point. The reverse is also true. For instance, I have a handgun (target shooting in a previous life) and a rifle (professional reasons), both of which are dismantled and have been for years. My husband was a hunter and had guns and he was all for the ban on assault weapons, a point Belafon also noted. I do not agree that all GOP voters are all-in on guns, in fact I think many if not most of even them would support assault weapons bans and increased gun restrictions. Of the GOP voters I know, guns are not their reasons for voting that way. The volume of the voices on Fox and Twitter are not indicative, IMO, of actual numbers.

I think many Americans would be willing to have gun restrictions on guns they don’t personally want. I don’t think many Americans would be willing to have restrictions on guns they do personally want or have, and I think they definitely would never consider giving up any guns they do have, even if it might save lives.

Under what circumstances would you give up your own guns?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:52:55pm

Turns out Trump has a lot in common with a previous President, Andrew Johnson. I’ve been reading Chernow’s biography of Grant, and Johnson was every bit as racist, crass, self-pitying and self-promoting as Trump, and he loved to surround himself with generals to lend their credibility to his racist policies. Grant, who was trying to protect the rights and lives of freedmen in the South, found it disgusting.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:53:40pm

re: #558 Renaissance_Man

I think many Americans would be willing to have gun restrictions on guns they don’t personally want. I don’t think many Americans would be willing to have restrictions on guns they do personally want or have, and I think they definitely would never consider giving up any guns they do have, even if it might save lives.

Under what circumstances would you give up your own guns?

If my Klan Chief of Police would use one to blow his brains out.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:54:11pm

re: #558 Renaissance_Man

I would like to keep my rifles but would accept training/safety requirements.

I would be willing to get rid of my handgun if need be.

Also, has anyone proposed limiting ammo purchases? Couldn’t we do this without infringing on anyones right to own or use guns?

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Charmingly Persistent  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:56:33pm

re: #558 Renaissance_Man

I think many Americans would be willing to have gun restrictions on guns they don’t personally want. I don’t think many Americans would be willing to have restrictions on guns they do personally want or have, and I think they definitely would never consider giving up any guns they do have, even if it might save lives.

Under what circumstances would you give up your own guns?

I’d give up my handgun if that’s what it took to get the assault rifle owners to give them up.

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allegro  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:56:38pm

re: #555 Interesting Times

But they’ll still vote for an NRA GOPer over a Dem proposing sensible gun safety measures, correct? If that’s the case, for all intents and purposes, they’re just as bad as the ammosexuals (that is, they enable them just like the but muh tax cuts types enable racism and bigotry even when they claim to be in favor of things such as DACA).

No argument. I’m hoping these Parkland kids and GOP donors such as the one who came out yesterday and said no more $ for any who support NRA can be successful in pressuring their Reps into doing something sensible.

The point I was disagreeing with is that the majority of American are gun humpers who are happy with the bloody status quo. I will never believe that nor will I believe that we, as a nation, will never change.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:56:42pm

re: #558 Renaissance_Man

I think many Americans would be willing to have gun restrictions on guns they don’t personally want. I don’t think many Americans would be willing to have restrictions on guns they do personally want or have, and I think they definitely would never consider giving up any guns they do have, even if it might save lives.

Under what circumstances would you give up your own guns?

I personally want a tank to drive to work, and I think I should be allowed to drive it on the highway.

More importantly, though, I know a lot of people - in fact I’m related to a lot of people - who did not like smoking bans. But they still happened.

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:56:52pm

Gates will testify against Manafort.

Look at them dogs, eatin’ them other dogs.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:57:28pm
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A Cranky One  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:57:30pm

re: #561 Eclectic Cyborg

I would like to keep my rifles but would accept training/safety requirements.

I would be willing to get rid of my handgun if need be.

Also, has anyone proposed limiting ammo purchases? Couldn’t we do this without infringing on anyones right to own or use guns?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

So they have a right to arms, but it doesn’t say anything about ammo…

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allegro  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:57:58pm

re: #558 Renaissance_Man

I think many Americans would be willing to have gun restrictions on guns they don’t personally want. I don’t think many Americans would be willing to have restrictions on guns they do personally want or have, and I think they definitely would never consider giving up any guns they do have, even if it might save lives.

Under what circumstances would you give up your own guns?

I would happily give up my guns for destruction. Only reason I keep them is that I do not want them to ever end up in hands where someone might get hurt.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:58:29pm

re: #547 Interesting Times

…and we’ve found a perfect squawking point for the bad-faith GOPers -_-

shooting had already started, but more important than that, people had already been killed.

Of course. In America we don’t consider guns to be something that makes a situation dangerous until someone gets shot. That needs to change.

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:59:04pm

re: #566 Stanley Sea

Soooo, Trump will visit Stoneman Douglas High School students. Will this be carried live?

I’m thinking these kids are savvy enough that they’ll demand it. Hoping so, anyway.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 12:59:47pm

re: #566 Stanley Sea

I can’t believe he’ll do it without trying to control them.

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Interesting Times  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:01:33pm

re: #571 jaunte

I can’t believe he’ll do it without trying to control them. prescreening to ensure only supporters of his are allowed to attend and/or speak.

The only question is, how much will the MSM enable and excuse such fuckery.

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:01:51pm

re: #571 jaunte

I can’t believe he’ll do it without trying to control them.

But Trump doesn’t realize that the kids have all the leverage here.

They can get on any cable news show they want right now, and they know it. If Trump tries pulling something sketchy, I doubt they’ll keep quiet about it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:02:43pm

re: #561 Eclectic Cyborg

I would like to keep my rifles but would accept training/safety requirements.

I would be willing to get rid of my handgun if need be.

Also, has anyone proposed limiting ammo purchases? Couldn’t we do this without infringing on anyones right to own or use guns?

That is happening here. You ae identified and a record kept. Not sure about numerical limits as in no more than 100 or anything. But if you shoot every weekend, practice for a championship, you can show why you buy 1000+ a month, and go through them.

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scottslemmons  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:03:05pm

Yeah, it’ll be prescreened MAGA freaks. When they check ‘em afterwards, none of them will be students. Miller will probably recruit attendees from the local Nazi groups.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:03:10pm

re: #561 Eclectic Cyborg

I would like to keep my rifles but would accept training/safety requirements.

I would be willing to get rid of my handgun if need be.

Also, has anyone proposed limiting ammo purchases? Couldn’t we do this without infringing on anyones right to own or use guns?

Here’s my minimum requirements for gun legislation:
1. You must have a license which requires training.
2. Different guns belong in different classes of guns. You must have a license of each class you want to use a gun from.
3. All guns must be registered.
4. You must present the license to buy ammo for the guns you own.
5. All gun transfers, via sales or gifts, must be registered.

That’s the minimum. I still want military style weapons banned. If we don’t ban them, then:
1. All of those weapons must be unmodified from the original production.
2. All new weapons must be made so that they cannot be modified by changing the stock, the barrel, or the rest of it (my gun terminology is weak).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:03:20pm

Just saw Black Panther.

I’m glad these right wing snowflakes are losing it over this masterpiece!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:05:23pm

re: #574 Unshaken Defiance

That is happening here. You ae identified and a record kept. Not sure about numerical limits as in no more than 100 or anything. But if you shoot every weekend, practice for a championship, you can show why you buy 1000+ a month, and go through them.

Which is why I would be in favor of ammo restrictions NOT applying to activities at ranges and other controlled facilities. You want go to a range and shoot 5000 rounds? Be my guest.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:07:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:09:41pm
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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:11:28pm

re: #579 jaunte

Definitely more inclined to flip but I expect him to try a few weasel things before that, if he does end up flipping.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:13:14pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:17:29pm

Third-graders are selling AR-15 raffle tickets in Missouri

stltoday.com

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:20:57pm

re: #575 scottslemmons

Yeah, it’ll be prescreened MAGA freaks. When they check ‘em afterwards, none of them will be students. Miller will probably recruit attendees from the local Nazi groups.

There are now four of five kids who are recognized as the tacit leaders of their group.

If Trump tries replacing them with kids who love him (and that might be a lot harder to do in that school than it would have been a week ago), you don’t think people will notice?

You don’t think those kids will stand right up and point this out?

Trump does not have control of this narrative. These kids will not be stage managed. They’ve already made this clear.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:21:13pm

re: #583 Decatur Deb

How about raffling off an iPad? or a MacBook? Much better and it can be used by almost anyone.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:24:29pm

re: #585 PhillyPretzel

How about raffling off an iPad? or a MacBook? Much better and it can be used by almost anyone.

But we need to teach people that guns aren’t the problem. How is an iPad or a Macbook going to achieve that? Remember, guns don’t kill people, abortions kill people.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:24:54pm

re: #585 PhillyPretzel

How about raffling off an iPad? or a MacBook? Much better and it can be used by almost anyone.

Hard to maintain a lethal edge on a Macbook. Maybe on an iPad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:24:58pm

JFC on a electrified barbed wire tightrope over Mt. Doom, juggling a bunch of hand grenades.

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scottslemmons  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:25:00pm

re: #584 makeitstop

There are now four of five kids who are recognized as the tacit leaders of their group.

If Trump tries replacing them with kids who love him (and that might be a lot harder to do in that school than it would have been a week ago), you don’t think people will notice?

You don’t think those kids will stand right up and point this out?

Trump does not have control of this narrative. These kids will not be stage managed. They’ve already made this clear.

I think everyone will notice, but the Trumpers won’t care. And Trump will get the ego-stroking he craves. And the press will get to say “Clearly, the silent majority love guns!” So without question, it’ll be a pre-screened bunch of Trump drones.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:27:19pm

re: #475 Eclectic Cyborg

Arrrgh, I can’t stand these people…

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The police would have guns in the bottom scenario, therefore must be bad guys.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:27:38pm

re: #583 Decatur Deb

I did see that some folks are responding to that other AR-15 raffle that the pol candidate (sorry, I forget who the fucker is) is having by entering the raffle with the hopes of winning and melting it down.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:28:25pm

re: #588 The Vicious Babushka

JFC on a electrified barbed wire tightrope over Mt. Doom, juggling a bunch of hand grenades.

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Wow, now there’s an idea! Let’s unleash Hellfire missiles in a school!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:29:12pm

re: #543 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Major reason that GOP lost in 2012 was because Romney could not mobilize The Base. They won in 2016 because Trump did an outstanding job of it.

OIne reason Dems lost in 2016 because too many voters could not generate enough enthusiasm for Hillary to get out and vote for her or were convinced that it made little or no difference.

Maybe some places. I have never seen the kind of enthusiasm I saw on Election Day as I saw in 2016.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:30:06pm

re: #593 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Maybe some places. I have never seen the kind of enthusiasm I saw on Election Day as I saw in 2016.

it came down to a handful of votes in the key EC states, and that is all it took.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:30:11pm

re: #588 The Vicious Babushka

JFC on a electrified barbed wire tightrope over Mt. Doom, juggling a bunch of hand grenades.

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How about armed drones with asshole detectors to roam the halls of Congress?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:31:06pm

re: #591 JordanRules

I did see that some folks are responding to that other AR-15 raffle that the pol candidate (sorry, I forget who the fucker is) is having by entering the raffle with the hopes of winning and melting it down.

Then they’re not really thinking that through, are they?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:31:07pm

re: #595 Decatur Deb

How about armed drones with asshole detectors to roam the halls of Congress?

I dunno, man. Pretty much everybody has an asshole.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:33:40pm

re: #597 Blind Frog Belly White

I dunno, man. Pretty much everybody has an asshole.

Some are a lot easier to acquire and engage than others.

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:33:49pm

re: #589 scottslemmons

I think everyone will notice, but the Trumpers won’t care. And Trump will get the ego-stroking he craves. And the press will get to say “Clearly, the silent majority love guns!” So without question, it’ll be a pre-screened bunch of Trump drones.

Dunno, man. These kids are media darlings right now.

There’ll be a line around the block to book those kids for pushback if Trump tried this. And the kids will be happy to oblige.

Those kids are in such a unique position. If Trump wants to mix it up with a bunch of righteously pissed kids who just survived a school shooting, all I’ll say is ‘please proceed.’

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:33:54pm

I found what we need to keep our schools safe, but the schools have to all be on one level…

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lizardofid  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:35:12pm

re: #596 Decatur Deb

Then they’re not really thinking that through, are they?

Although I share their outrage, it’s kinda like smashing your coffee maker in protest no?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:35:26pm

re: #600 Blind Frog Belly White

I found what we need to keep our schools safe, but the schools have to all be on one level…

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Why should a Dalek climb stairs when it can level the building?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:36:17pm

re: #601 lizardofid

Although I share their outrage, it’s kinda like smashing your coffee maker in protest no?

And the RWNJ politician still gets the pelf.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:38:20pm

re: #594 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it came down to a handful of votes in the key EC states, and that is all it took.

It does seem she couldn’t get minorities out to vote like Obama did: thehill.com.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:38:35pm

re: #602 Decatur Deb

Why should a Dalek climb stairs when it can level the building?

The new model Daleks can levitate. Stairs are no problem.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:39:40pm

re: #602 Decatur Deb

Why should a Dalek climb stairs when it can level the building?

ES-CA-LATE!! ES-CA-LATE!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:41:23pm

re: #605 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The new model Daleks can levitate. Stairs are no problem.

Only being able to conquer paved planets was a bit of a hindrance.

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scottslemmons  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:42:27pm

re: #599 makeitstop

Dunno, man. These kids are media darlings right now.

There’ll be a line around the block to book those kids for pushback if Trump tried this. And the kids will be happy to oblige.

Those kids are in such a unique position. If Trump wants to mix it up with a bunch of righteously pissed kids who just survived a school shooting, all I’ll say is ‘please proceed.’

I’m definitely not saying you’re wrong. All I’m saying is, even with all of that being accurate, they’ll still go for the pre-screened Trump goons telling him his campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train…

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:44:59pm

Just had to chase a bee out the house. Ack!!!

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:48:30pm

re: #578 Eclectic Cyborg

Which is why I would be in favor of ammo restrictions NOT applying to activities at ranges and other controlled facilities. You want go to a range and shoot 5000 rounds? Be my guest.

I can’t speak for management :-) but one wrinkle here in California is treating customers that will shoot there at the range as take away customers. Still in the works so we will see.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:48:30pm

// Yeah, when I went to Black Panther last night not only was I made unwelcome because I was white, the entire Battle of Isandlwana was re-fought in the front row of the theater by actual Zulus who came to the theater with their assegai. //

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:50:27pm

re: #596 Decatur Deb

Right. Weird and less than optimal protests are likely to increase.

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:51:08pm

re: #608 scottslemmons

I’m definitely not saying you’re wrong. All I’m saying is, even with all of that being accurate, they’ll still go for the pre-screened Trump goons telling him his campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train…

Of course, they’ll try it. That’s one of two plays in the playbook, and the other is scorched-earth ruination of anyone who opposes them.

I seriously doubt Trump would even consent to being in the same room with any of the kids who have been on TV all week. They’re too smart and their bullshit meters too finely calibrated for him. They’d make a fool of him in a minute. He could try bringing in ringers, and his cultists would prolly buy it. But anyone paying attention would wonder why the ‘We call BS’ girl wasn’t in the room.

That leaves only the other play in the playbook. And there’s no way the public would sit still for Trump trashing the reputations of a bunch of high school kids on Twitter. He’s gotten away with it against everyone else because he’s only gone after other adults. It wouldn’t work against these kids.

But hey, let him try it. I think the president picking a Twitter fight with high school kids would go really well for him. ////

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:51:24pm

re: #611 The Ghost of a Flea

// Yeah, when I went to Black Panther last night not only was I made unwelcome because I was white, the entire Battle of Isandlwana was re-fought in the front row of the theater by actual Zulus who came to the theater with their assegai. //

The Washing of the Spliffs.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:52:42pm

re: #611 The Ghost of a Flea

Thoughts and prayers Ghost. Glad you can be here to tell your story!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:52:59pm

Seeing a pattern, here:
The Latest: Florida gun show displays AR-15s to children

abcnews.go.com

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:53:51pm

re: #611 The Ghost of a Flea

Actual story:

I got in to a sold-out showing (rather than wait 1.5hr for the next) because a ticket had misprinted. Which I take as a sign from whatever strange and whimsical god dictates my fate.

Probably Geoff, god of biscuits, or one of those Taoist assholes where you have to bribe them to not snitch to the better quality gods.

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:56:15pm

Oh, good. Uday and Qusay are egging him on…

Between the three of them, they might accidentally accomplish something really mega-stupid.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:57:13pm

re: #615 JordanRules

Thoughts and prayers Ghost. Glad you can be here to tell your story!

Well…the bad news is, I’m a ghost and have been for awhile. And I’m really more linen-sheet white than Caucasian.

The good news is I now have like, five and a half Victoria Crosses.

Not because of bravery. Just very efficient corpse pillaging. All those years of D&D paying off in real life, finally.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:57:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 18, 2018 • 1:59:50pm

re: #616 Decatur Deb

Seeing a pattern, here:
The Latest: Florida gun show displays AR-15s to children

abcnews.go.com

OMG WTF Eleventy

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:00:12pm

Honestly though I would’ve watched the shit out of that movie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:00:19pm

re: #620 goddamnedfrank

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Hey, you know what’s funny? I bet most of those people who were murdered by illegal immigrants were probably killed with guns.

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The Major  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:01:26pm

re: #602 Decatur Deb

Why should a Dalek climb stairs when it can level the building?

I always found this one amusing….

Dalek Relaxation Tape

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:05:08pm

re: #620 goddamnedfrank

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I’m pretty sure those kids aren’t being exploited. They are choosing this.

Holden is trying a slightly different “It’s too early” route.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:05:29pm

re: #622 goddamnedfrank

Honestly though I would’ve watched the shit out of that movie.

Man, those onscreen romances would definitely have a different kind of tension….

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:15:13pm

re: #613 makeitstop

And, HS kids who are also much more adroit at the medium than he is. He’ll get burned by the kids themselves and every adult (who isn’t a shit) that thinks that going after children in a scorched earth campaign is the lowest of the low.

I am already laughing at the replies to his juvenile name calling.

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danarchy  Feb 18, 2018 • 2:31:57pm

re: #601 lizardofid

Although I share their outrage, it’s kinda like smashing your coffee maker in protest no?

worse, you buy the raffle ticket and the douche politician gets your money. At least with the coffee maker thing they could say it meant they weren’t going to buy anymore K-cups which is where keurig makes all their money.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:24:30pm

re: #86 JordanRules

Fuck.

Fuck.


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