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jaunte  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:03:34pm
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Scout  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:06:17pm

Of all the stupid things trump has done, I personally think pulling the U.S. out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership was the stupidest.

25 GOP senators urge Trump to restart TPP trade talks, a deal he called a ‘disaster’

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:08:28pm

re: #2 Scout

Of all the stupid things trump has done, I personally think pulling the U.S. out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership was the stupidest.

25 GOP senators urge Trump to restart TPP trade talks, a deal he called a ‘disaster’

It made perfect sense to them at the time, because they thought that the TPP would collapse without US participation and we’d just create something to take its place or negotiate unilateral deals with the other TPP parties.

What they didn’t count on was the other countries saying “We’re close enough to ratification that we don’t need the US” and pushing forward.

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Scout  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:11:29pm
It made perfect sense to them at the time, because they thought that the TPP would collapse without US participation

I would respectfully disagree, or at least look at it through a slightly different lens: He did it because it appealed to his white nationalist base, in my humble opinion.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:13:44pm

It’s the same with NAFTA, they loved him railing against it during the campaign because they thought it might scare Mexico and Canada into placating us with a more “fair” deal. Even when their own constituents (farmers, factory owners, hotels, etc) came to them with fears of what would happen if NAFTA were axed, they sent them away with assurances that Trump was going to get a “better” deal for them.

Now? Now they’re scared shitless because Donny is desperate for something to fire up his base and axing NAFTA to “stiggit” to Mexico has a certain appeal. But the governments of both countries have stated that if he does that, neither will be making a unilateral deal, there will either be NAFTA or nothing.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:17:32pm

re: #4 Scout

I would respectfully disagree, or at least look at it through a slightly different lens: He did it because it appealed to his white nationalist base, in my humble opinion.

That was his motivation, and they agreed with it to a lesser extent because they and their rich donors figured it was a good plan. Either TPP would collapse and they’d just start negotiations on a “fairer” deal or the other countries involved would beg us to stay by offering to agree to our terms. He and they massively overestimated America’s influence as an economic power, thinking it’s still the 20th century and America can dictate terms as it likes.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:20:15pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

It made perfect sense to them at the time, because they thought that the TPP would collapse without US participation and we’d just create something to take its place or negotiate unilateral deals with the other TPP parties.

That last part is what they thought. Same isolationist mentality that drove Brexit. Pre World War II thinking that totally ignores the fact that economy of scale works in trade relationships too, and that making shitty little one off deals here and there not only ends up compounding complexity and diplomatic overhead but leaves us fundamentally outside the new larger trading alliances that everyone else will lean on for leverage.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:25:16pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

That last part is what they thought. Same isolationist mentality that drove Brexit. Pre World War II thinking that totally ignores the fact that the concept of economy of scale works in trade relationships too, and that making shitty little one off deals here and there not only ends up compounding complexity and diplomatic overhead but leaves us fundamentally outside the new larger trading alliances that everyone else will lean on for leverage.

Ayep. It’s an “a la carte” mentality: “We’ll just pick which countries we want to be associated with, just as we always have.” But a global economy doesn’t work that way, the more hoops a company has to jump through to get their product to store shelves, the less profit there is in it for them and the harder it is to compete against companies who don’t have those hoops. A shorter, pithier way to put it would be “Britain needs Europe to survive, but Europe doesn’t need Britain in the same way.”

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Scout  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:36:37pm

These are good insights into the trump - TPP stupidity, but the deal was fundamentally about containing Chinese influence and expansion.

This is the primary reason why Japan worked so hard to keep it going even without the U.S. (And it was Japan who kept it going and bringing it to the signing stage.)

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:38:26pm

re: #9 Scout

These are good insights into the trump - TPP stupidity, but the deal was fundamentally about containing Chinese influence and expansion.

This is the primary reason why Japan worked so hard to keep it going even without the U.S. (And it was Japan who kept it going and bringing it to the signing stage.)

TPP, NAFTA, NATO, and other alliances/trade deals that are hurting the power and influence of countries that own Trump’s bloated ass. Sew discord with a mind towards weakening America’s influence and support network. Best money Vlad ever spent.

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Frenchy  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:40:21pm

And I know I’m stating the obvious here but the worst part is that Trump quite obviously has NO idea what NAFTA or TPP even are. If pressed for details of his understanding of these trade deals he would completely whiff.

But this completely eludes his supporters. Some may realize it and just not care, but I honestly think the majority of the mouth breathers supporting Trump really think he knows what he’s talking about.

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Jay C  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:40:38pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

It made perfect sense to them at the time, because they thought that the TPP would collapse without US participation and we’d just create something to take its place or negotiate unilateral deals with the other TPP parties.

What they didn’t count on was the other countries saying “We’re close enough to ratification that we don’t need the US” and pushing forward.

Also: isn’t the TPP dynamic somewhat different now? Rather than being a part of the formation process, (and thus possibly able to influence the Partnership’s structure) wouldn’t the US now be looking to - basically - join a club that has already set itself up without us?

But yeah, stoking up gripes about “unfair trade deals” among the mouthbreather class is about the extent of Donald Trump’s trade “policy”, when it comes to actually doing stuff, he seem to be bent on proving himself about as useless as with every other aspect of his Presidency: Trump supposed “legendary deal-making” is useful in only one single context: selling his “brand” to line his own pockets. .

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:45:34pm

re: #11 Frenchy

And I know I’m stating the obvious here but the worst part is that Trump quite obviously has NO idea what NAFTA or TPP even are. If pressed for details of his understanding of these trade deals he would completely whiff.

But this completely eludes his supporters. Some may realize it and just not care, but I honestly think the majority of the mouth breathers supporting Trump really think he knows what he’s talking about.

I largely suspect that’s because Trump has left the management of his company to his underlings for ages now and brought that mentality to the White House. He fell into a real estate empire, he didn’t built it himself, and so he hasn’t needed to know how to do more than maintain what he already had. And we’ve seen so far that he’s shit at even doing that.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:49:16pm

Greetings from a moderate-speed intercity train in China. We’re moving at 150kph (94 mph) between the provincial capital Changsha and another major city, Changde. The old train would have taken at least 6 hours. This one takes 4 to cover 280km/175 miles. The ride is smooth and quiet.

The USA has nothing like it, AFAIK.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:54:13pm

Correction as I can’t edit my last comment.
Old train’s time 4.5 hrs
This train 3 hrs.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:54:36pm

re: #14 wheat-dogg

Greetings from a moderate-speed intercity train in China. We’re moving at 150kph (94 mph) between the provincial capital Changsha and another major city, Changde. The old train would have taken at least 6 hours. This one takes 4 to cover 280km/175 miles. The ride is smooth and quiet.

The USA has nothing like it, AFAIK.

Compare that to the 48 hours it takes the Coast Starlight to go from Los Angeles to Seattle…

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Scout  Feb 20, 2018 • 9:55:34pm

One more link about the TPP:

Wash. wheat growers call Trans-Pacific Partnership a ‘looming disaster’

From the story:

Squires said the TPP deal would gradually discount the tariff rate paid for imported Australian and Canadian wheat into Japan from about $150 a metric ton to $85 per metric ton, and would leave the U.S. import tariff unchanged.

“The Japanese love the quality and consistency of Pacific Northwest wheat and continue to buy our wheat despite its marginally higher price on the world market. But a $65 a ton disadvantage is just too much to overcome and would force them into the arms of our competitors,” Squires said.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:02:48pm

I forgot to mention the ticket price.
$15 for second class seat

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wheat-dogg  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:03:04pm

I forgot to mention the ticket price.
$15 for second class seat

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Kragar  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:03:49pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:04:10pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

When Trump has pressed a deal himself, he’s generally fucked it up massively by not having a clear picture of what’s possible, and instead going for “everything will be my way, shut up” while trying to complete slag competition.

Trump pushing the USFL to compete directly with the NFL was a fucking disaster. It took a league that might have marched on and did okay and tanked it. Trump Air fucked up in a different way, with Trump slagging other airlines as not safe while sell his service as ultra premium…which sounded good right up until one of his planes failed.

The way he presents TPP and NAFTA is a lot like what he pulled with USFL…anything less than total dominance is a failure, even if that makes no sense in the bigger picture or really isn’t a win.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:07:34pm

Sorry about double post. I’m using my phone and 4G connection with no VPN on, so most of Charles’ tools don’t load.

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danarchy  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:07:51pm

re: #15 wheat-dogg

Correction as I can’t edit my last comment.
Old train’s time 4.5 hrs
This train 3 hrs.

That doesn’t seem all that impressive. The Acela goes from Boston to NY in about 3.5 hours and that’s like 230mi.

Aren’t there trains in Japan that go like 200mph. Now that is impressive

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:08:42pm

re: #17 Scout

One more link about the TPP:

Wash. wheat growers call Trans-Pacific Partnership a ‘looming disaster’

From the story:

Ayep, this isn’t 1955, America is not the “only game in town” and hasn’t been for at least a generation. We’re now one competitor in a sea of nations who have built or are building their own industries to compete with us. Just as we’re willing to accept something less than we’d like because it’s cheaper coming from China than the factories a couple states away, there are a lot of other countries who will see Aussie wheat as being “good enough” to buy than paying a premium for American wheat.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:11:59pm

.re: #23 danarchy

True, but this is far better than what we had before. Besides, this service would like running Acela between NYC and Buffalo.

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Scout  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:15:17pm

re: #23 danarchy

Aren’t there trains in Japan that go like 200mph. Now that is impressive

Shinkansen are among the things that make me love living in Japan.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:22:28pm

China’s 200mph trains run between major cities, like Beijing, Shanghai and provincial capitals, and use brand-new stations. Those run on dedicated rights of way. This train also has its own ROW, but uses the older train stations, so its speed is less.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:36:24pm

re: #18 wheat-dogg

I forgot to mention the ticket price.
$15 for second class seat

$15 won’t even pay for dinner on Amtrak. But the Dining Car food is very good!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:39:26pm

There is some fucking idiot on my FB who is saying he has a picture of the Parkland kids smiling…in Stephen Paddocks hotel room.

I just can’t with these fucking people.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:40:07pm

I think it may be time for a major campaign of non-violent, but otherwise aggressive, civil disobedience in this country. A major condition for this has been met in the form of the NRA’s legislative stranglehold: The authorities have been subverted and the normal channels for the appeal of grievance have been effectively blocked. Worse yet, this is being done against the will of a clear majority.
Such a campaign could seek to disrupt gun shows, NRA events, and gun related business events like stockholder and board meetings.
Needless to say, it would be extremely dangerous, possibly more dangerous than the civil rights campaigns of the 60s. Each participant will have to weigh that risk very carefully.

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JordanRules  Feb 20, 2018 • 10:59:29pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:10:14pm

re: #31 JordanRules

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I haven’t lost any followers tonight so I at least I’m doing one thing right.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:20:20pm
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whitebeach  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:22:26pm

To the top of the page: I rejoice that it seems like a whole lot of kids are “all right about guns.” Unfortunately, there also seem to be plenty who are alt-right about guns.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:22:31pm

The comrades come through again:

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:23:10pm

I am happy to report that a Democrat won another special election for a House seat in Kentucky, in a district in which Trump got 72% of the vote in 2016!

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Kragar  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:24:32pm
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Kragar  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:32:09pm

Apparently, there is a Cernovich sex tape somewhere out there, soon to be released

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Stanley Sea  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:38:20pm

re: #22 wheat-dogg

Sorry about double post. I’m using my phone and 4G connection with no VPN on, so most of Charles’ tools don’t load.

Troubles.

I wish I was on a train in China.

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:42:31pm

re: #38 Kragar

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freetoken  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:44:47pm

re: #37 Kragar

The MAGA dolts really are dolts. Or very dishonest. Or both.

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Kragar  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:45:36pm
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freetoken  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:48:42pm

Then again, we’re a society composed of people desperate to escape reality.

For example, if I do a google search on “archeology”, for videos, picking say long duration videos, over a period of say the last month, a great many of the videos which make it through the search filters will be hack jobs, con-jobs, delusional nitwits on Youtube, etc.

Again I say, America is a nation built on religious fanaticism and peeling us away from our delusions is the source of so much angst that we see.

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Kragar  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:50:56pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:51:05pm

re: #38 Kragar

All I’m saying is, that man looks like he a necrophilia-facilitation kit in his car.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:51:13pm

re: #43 freetoken

damn

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:52:01pm

Real talk.

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freetoken  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:53:50pm

“hidden truth”
“forbidden archeology”
“secrets of archeology”
“lost secrets of ancient civilizations”
“ancient aliens”

etc…..

This is what America spends its time viewing. It’s the alternative to conservative evangelical preaching, but both are really the same thing.

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freetoken  Feb 20, 2018 • 11:55:36pm

And Facebook…

The past few days have seen the re-emergence of all those stupid gun-memes about good-guys-with-guns are what is needed, that taking God out of the classroom is why there are school shootings, etc.

It’s all the same stupid JBS stuff coming around for the 5th decade now.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:02:44am
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Kragar  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:19:15am

re: #50 Ace-o-aces

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:21:11am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:21:58am

re: #38 Kragar

Apparently, there is a Cernovich sex tape somewhere out there, soon to be released

That may well be, but it’s not unfair to say I could well pass the remainder of my days without feeling the need to see that.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:22:18am
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Kragar  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:23:32am
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:26:49am
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Kragar  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:33:12am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:38:28am
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Kragar  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:39:18am
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Kragar  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:48:56am
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freetoken  Feb 21, 2018 • 12:49:27am

re: #26 Scout

Shinkansen are among the things that make me love living in Japan.

I miss the Shinkansen.

BTW, NHK has a show on Japanese railroads, in English. Most recent shows are available on demand.

Here is one on the standard diesel engine:

www3.nhk.or.jp

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:01:29am

re: #51 Kragar

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You guys Seen Kyle?

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:09:03am

re: #63 Targetpractice

He blocked me, but I had another pop up.

I swear I typed this before I saw your post

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:10:54am
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:11:13am

re: #52 Ace-o-aces

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:13:21am

I am in actual tears right now, reading through #TwitterLockOut right now. Just the number of “alpha males” whining that their e-penises have shrunk because of Russian bots being banned is fucking hilarious. I’ve never seen a bigger bunch of babies cry over how they’re being “persecuted” because they’ve come to realize they’re only talking to themselves.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:15:49am
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Kragar  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:19:09am

And then he blocked me.

Sad.

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Kragar  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:24:53am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:32:19am

Because a potential gun regulation is exactly the same as the Holocaust. And conservatives call us snowflakes. Seriously, WTF? (I’m told that the original company that sold these on the Internet has now removed them.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:34:13am

re: #14 wheat-dogg

Greetings from a moderate-speed intercity train in China. We’re moving at 150kph (94 mph) between the provincial capital Changsha and another major city, Changde. The old train would have taken at least 6 hours. This one takes 4 to cover 280km/175 miles. The ride is smooth and quiet.

The USA has nothing like it, AFAIK.

Germany does. And China has it because they stole the technology from Germany…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:37:31am

re: #48 freetoken

“hidden truth”
“forbidden archeology”
“secrets of archeology”
“lost secrets of ancient civilizations”
“ancient aliens”

etc…..

This is what America spends its time viewing. It’s the alternative to conservative evangelical preaching, but both are really the same thing.

I remember being big into Erich von Däniken when his books were all the rage at the turn of the 70’s. I grew out of it when I learned that there is a large body of scholarly research that offers a well founded and rational explanation of what he was presenting as ancient aliens.

But modern America has little use of elitist experts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:38:28am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germany does. And China has it because they stole the technology from Germany…

My wife and I took the high speed train First Class from Berlin, Germany to Gdansk, Poland. We were the only Americans on the train, so at the border when the crew changed from Germans to Polish, the Polish crew spent a lot of time with us asking questions and practicing English (it helps my wife speaks Polish).

The train car has a speedometer in the front of the car, which usually showed us traveling in excess of 160 k/h. Tough to take pictures from a train moving that fast, though I did get a few.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:44:00am

Unfortunately, Russian bots and general rodent copulators will be back … Twitter doing this one time isn’t really going to change much. Still, some of the comments are pretty funny on that hashtag:

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:46:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:47:38am

re: #50 Ace-o-aces

Who are the Nazis now?

This guy.

This POS just showed up in a FB comment, worth mentioning here

soldiersystems.net

Because gun owners are among the most persecuted groups in the world.

“First they came for my AR-15s and bump stocks…”

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:49:49am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I showed that in comment #71. That said, allegedly the company that was selling those on the Internet pulled them from their site.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:51:39am

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹

Because a potential gun regulation is exactly the same as the Holocaust. And conservatives call us snowflakes. Seriously, WTF? (I’m told that the original company that sold these on the Internet has now removed them.)

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I see you beat me to that one.

yes, a standard straw-man argument.

nobody is advocating a repeal of the 2A or confiscation, but a group of young victims is now actively pushing for sensible legislation to reduce the amount of violent gun crime and mass shootings.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:51:45am

“I’m a law-abiding citizen! There’s no need to fear me because I would never break the law. Now excuse me while I install this bump-stock on my AR-15 so’s I can get around those pesky laws that keep me from owning a real M-16.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:54:57am

After George and Amal Clooney put up $500,000 to help defray costs for the “March for Our Lives,” several other celebrities and other wealthy people have stepped up to make matching donations.

thewrap.com

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2018 • 1:55:31am

Those “high school kids coached by Democrats” has me wondering how reflexive this is. I wonder how many “young republican” type groups there are out there started and funded by Republican think tanks. I’d be willing to be there are many more than there are Dem equivalents.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:00:30am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:00:32am

The Lubbock Derpocalypse is starting to look like tertiary syphilis. You folk in the Dakotas, Nebraska, etc. will need to screen for this when you’re vetting water refugees.

Facebook Post

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:04:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:09:04am

AFAIK, Twitter is still a bastion of Free Enterprise, and all you poor, offended posters are free to start your own conservative-friendly network!

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:09:49am

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The Lubbock Derpocalypse is starting to look like tertiary syphilis. You folk in the Dakotas, Nebraska, etc. will need to screen for this when you’re vetting water refugees.

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“We’re going to cut $500 million from women’s health programs to put into education budgets.”

“Oh, so our schools can hire more teachers, upgrade our equipment, expand our schools, and overall create a better learning environment for the next generation?”

“HAHAHAHAhahaha…no. No, we’re putting that money into armed guards who we’ll end up firing in 2-3 years time as ‘gold-brickers’ who are a waste of taxpayer dollars so we can look like ‘fiscal conservatives’ for cutting $500 million from the state budget.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:09:55am

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The Lubbock Derpocalypse is starting to look like tertiary syphilis. You folk in the Dakotas, Nebraska, etc. will need to screen for this when you’re vetting water refugees.

So much stupid in such a small comment. I presume he’s talking about Parkland, which had armed police. As for Planned Parenthood, that’s the standard conservative politician talking point. They’re lying and they know it; the point is to sway voters who don’t know any better that Planned Parenthood’s money is payment for legal services (which should include abortion but does not because of the Hyde Amendment).

It is specifically directed at low-information religious voters.

I’m not sure what we can do for extreme vetting when Texas finally becomes a desert and their refugees stream north into our state. (Kansas and Oklahoma already have the same problem.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:11:58am

The only real answer to such a Gish Gallop in such as short statement from that guy from Lubbock is to just call him what he is, in public: You sir, are a liar and you know it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:12:39am

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹

The only real answer to such a Gish Gallop in such as short statement from that guy from Lubbock is to just call him what he is, in public: You sir, are a liar and you know it.

He answers to a Higher Truth

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:15:23am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He answers to a Higher Truth

He has weed?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:16:32am
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:20:42am

This idiot “liked” my #thoughtsandprayers tweet:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:29:41am

re: #93 Ace-o-aces

TWITTER CLEARING OUT SOME BOT ACCOUNTS IS NOT THE SAME AS THE HOLOCAUST YOU SELF-ABSORBED SNOWFLAKE DIPSHIT!

I can only guess that we are dealing with people whose sense of self-worth is based on the number of Twitter followers they can claim.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:30:19am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:49:49am

Holy crap, conservaTwitter is chock full of drama queens tonight.

And dingbat below, Jack Dorsey is a Libertarian, not a liberal. Fallacy of illicit contraposition (not to be confused with the Reagan Administration). Everyone who is not a conservative is not necessarily a liberal.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:54:08am

Wonkette notes that they did not get a nightly post about earning a Range Rover from “Lori” by working at home spam in the comments tonight.

They suspect Lori might have been a victim of the TwitterLockOut.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 2:59:41am

Another Wonkette comment (LOL)

These aren’t real right wing Tweeters upset about losing their fake followers they’re clearly crisis actors.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:01:11am

Hashtag BotsAndPrayers is now trending.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:05:01am

What happens when Donald Trump finds most of his followers are gone? He is going to explode on Twitter (if he pays attention to those numbers).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:14:20am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹

What happens when Donald Trump finds most of his followers are gone? He is going to explode on Twitter (if he pays attention to those numbers).

talk about someone whose self-esteem is directly related to the number of Twitter followers he can boast…

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:15:43am

Woman behind pro-Trump Facebook page denies being influenced by Russians (goes to The Hill)

A woman who ran a pro-Donald Trump Facebook group that promoted events during the 2016 election that have since been linked to Russia denied in a new interview that she was influenced by Russian trolls.

“I don’t go with Russians, c’mon, give me a break,” Florine Gruen Goldfarb told CNN when asked about her group amplifying events planned by Russians.

Goldfarb runs a Facebook page called “Team Trump Broward County.” According to CNN, the page shared multiple events that were planned by Russians during the 2016 election, as well as posting photos and videos from one of the events after it concluded.

Goldfarb denied any Russian influence, telling the network that the people who attended the events were simply supporters of then-candidate Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:23:02am

I’m off to bed … water tests in a few hours and it’s frickin’ cold now (-2F).

Perhaps the conservatives over at TwitterLockOut could use some Emergency Kittens to assuage their grief?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:25:10am

Twitter Gulag, now Nazi Twitter lockout. These people are obsessed, and as Libertarian FunVa expressed, they can just start their own conservative and bot-friendly platform.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:30:01am

Some fans of speed skating pursuit competition:

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Dave In Austin  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:38:25am

Just getting moving here. I’m seeing something now in this Verse….. What is #TwitterLockOut?

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The Major  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:39:57am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:51:43am

Daily Wire is now claiming Twitter employees admitted to “censoring” conservatives for political reasons.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:57:35am

re: #106 Dave In Austin

Whining over the removal of bot accounts. It’s a conspiracy to stifle conservatives and their first amendment rights to freeze peaches or something….it’s hard to hear over all the sniveling and crying.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 3:58:26am

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹

Daily Wire is now claiming Twitter employees admitted to “censoring” conservatives for political reasons.

Ain’t Free Enterprise grand? Private companies can ban people for their political affiliations!

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 4:08:02am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ain’t Free Enterprise grand? Private companies can ban people for their political affiliations!

Except they are not banning anyone over political affiliations.

This reads like the Fifties John Birch Society. Everything is some sort of a liberal socialist commie conspiracy to shut down the free speech of Real Americans (sm).

Conservative thought was broken long before I was born.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 4:10:27am

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

Except they are not banning anyone over political affiliations.

This reads like the Fifties John Birch Society. Everything is some sort of a liberal socialist commie conspiracy to shut down the free speech of Real Americans (sm).

Conservative thought was broken long before I was born.

I am aware of that and that this is all a straw-man argument and a storm in a tea cup, but even if that were the case, it would be a case of a private company being selective.

They cannot discriminate on the grounds of race, religious affiliation or sexual orientation, but as far as I know, political speech is not covered in the same way

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 4:18:31am

LOL

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 21, 2018 • 4:43:02am

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹

Daily Wire is now claiming Twitter employees admitted to “censoring” conservatives for political reasons.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 21, 2018 • 4:54:46am

re: #114 bill d. (b.d.)

James O’Keefe’s name is on it. Hence, ‘tis bullshit.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:11:29am

re: #38 Kragar

Apparently, there is a Cernovich sex tape somewhere out there, soon to be released

If we send a Western Union money order to a Wells Fargo account, do they promise not to release it?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:12:06am

re: #115 A Mom Anon

James O’Keefe’s name is on it. Hence, ‘tis bullshit.

Guess he has to generate his CPAC buzz, it’s a grifters goldmine after all.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:29:43am
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Archangelus  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:30:08am
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JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:37:37am
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JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:40:55am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:45:23am

re: #118 Dave In Austin

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This guy is right up there for a place on the Mt. POS memorial.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:45:45am

re: #120 JordanRules

I’m going to say it. This man helped America and the world be a better place. Regardless of the evangelism, he helped countless lives around the globe. Most of that work is bygone, some remains. Frank has screwed the pooch with blind allegiance to Caesar and the money changers dragging his fawning masses with him.

Really, a tragedy.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:49:58am

Morning Lizards.

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Archangelus  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:50:43am
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jeffreyw  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:53:17am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 21, 2018 • 5:54:14am

An Alabama cop has been killed in a 2-hour standoff. Sounds like he was one of the good ones.
“We need to go back to helping people instead of just taking them to jail and creating bigger problems. That’s my ideal of good policing and I feel like that’s what the chief is working towards.”

ibtimes.com

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mmmirele  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:00:55am

re: #120 JordanRules

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:08:29am

My head just exploded:

Then I put it back together so that I can help candidates this fall.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:11:05am

Thanks Donald.

As homeless camps explode in L.A. suburbs, residents fear they will become permanent

The situation has alarmed Los Angeles County health officials, who fear the growing encampments are ripe for public health outbreaks, notably hepatitis A, which caused numerous deaths in San Diego’s homeless community.
So the county has placed toilets, sinks and other supplies at this encampment in West Carson, as well as at those in unincorporated areas of Pico Rivera, East Rancho Dominguez and Pearblossom.
But the move has troubled some nearby residents, who fear the county’s action will make what they hoped would be temporary camps permanent

Budget Cuts, Tax cuts and more, so billionaire Mar A Lago buddies will like him.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:11:17am

Damn.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:12:09am

re: #129 Belafon

Hmm. PA is grey. That would explain why my ward leader is concentrating on local elections.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:12:21am

re: #131 Bubblehead II
Crap.
Putting long lens and camera away for the day.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:16:39am

re: #2 Scout

Of all the stupid things trump has done, I personally think pulling the U.S. out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership was the stupidest.

25 GOP senators urge Trump to restart TPP trade talks, a deal he called a ‘disaster’

Do we all have collective amnesia here? Trump attacked TPP from the “faux” populist right but Bernie was attacking it from the populist left. It was Bernie’s attacks that forced Hillary to come out against it. Of course, both Trump and Bernie may just have been reflecting the opinion of their Russian overlords. In any case, TPP had become toxic and anyone running could not be seen in favor of this treaty. I assume that Hillary would have figured out some way to preserve it, but it was not a winning political strategy to support this policy during the campaign

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:16:50am

re: #114 bill d. (b.d.)

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So why do all the noisy conservatives still have Twitter accounts?

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JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:21:56am

re: #134 Hecuba’s daughter

He has reneged on plenty of campaign stuff. He still did it because of who he is and how he sees deal-making.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:22:09am

re: #120 JordanRules

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I lost all respect for Billy Graham when I heard the Nixon tapes that showed him to be every bit the Anti-Semite that Nixon was. So I am not surprised to see where his son and daughter get their absolutely disgusting bigotry from.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:22:53am

re: #130 Unshaken Defiance

Thanks Donald.

Budget Cuts, Tax cuts and more, so billionaire Mar A Lago Buddies will like him.

Another legacy of Prop 13…

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Dave In Austin  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:23:22am

re: #129 Belafon

Just passed is on to #TX25

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Dave In Austin  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:24:36am

re: #131 Bubblehead II

He does make is personal doesn’t he?

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:25:43am

re: #138 Joe Bacon 🌹

That presumes the extra revenue would go there. Facts not in evidence my friend.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:28:31am

re: #140 Dave In Austin

He does make is personal doesn’t he?

Yep. He is passionate about commercial space flight.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:28:50am

re: #129 Belafon

In an astonishing development, Gallup no longer considers Texas a Republican state.

If they can mobilize the now highly motivated Latino vote, they have a chance of getting Texas back into the Blue.

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JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:29:29am

re: #121 JordanRules

I believe it’s Dana who will be there.
*spit*

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:32:03am

re: #144 JordanRules

I believe it’s Dana who will be there.
*spit*

Oh I’m sure Dana will come across as reasonable and compassionate.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:32:34am

re: #144 JordanRules

I believe it’s Dana who will be there.
*spit*

Maybe someone can get Shannon on the show as well.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:32:52am

re: #144 JordanRules

Good point, but from a few interviews I have seen these kids are alright. They did not get distracted or baited. On point, from an unassailable witness point of view.

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JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:33:53am

re: #146 Belafon

That’s a good idea.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:34:46am

re: #145 Sir John Barron

Oh I’m sure Dana will come across as reasonable and compassionate.

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Eeek.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:38:34am

For someone who rages against the media, Lorsch has no problem using it to promote her agenda.

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JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:38:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:39:14am

re: #144 JordanRules

I believe it’s Dana who will be there.

she will try to distract the young men by flashing her tits at them…

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:39:41am

re: #145 Sir John Barron

Oh I’m sure Dana will come across as reasonable and compassionate.

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If she comes off 1/10 as abrasive as she does in those TV spots, she won’t help the NRA’s position at all and will make the kids look even more reasonable.

I’m hoping the catty, nasty Dana shows up. She’s pretty easy to hate.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:39:52am

re: #147 Unshaken Defiance

Good point, but from a few interviews I have seen these kids are alright. They did not get distracted or baited. On point, from an unassailable witness point of view.

I wonder how many of them are on the debate team at their school?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:41:52am

re: #151 JordanRules

Russia had the Obama administration over a barrel: if they had pursued Russian meddling to aggressively before the election, that in itself could have been construed as “meddling”.

The US electoral and political system left itself wide open and vulnerable to meddling, with or without active assistance from the Trump campaign: they were fools not to take advantage of it.

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JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:42:15am
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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:43:16am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Russia had the Obama administration over a barrel: if they had pursued Russian meddling to aggressively before the election, that in itself could have been construed as “meddling”.

The US electoral and political system left itself wide open and vulnerable to meddling, with or without active assistance from the Trump campaign: they were fools not to take advantage of it.

And they were traitors for doing it, because the correct thing to do was expose it.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:44:35am

re: #134 Hecuba’s daughter

Do we all have collective amnesia here? Trump attacked TPP from the “faux” populist right but Bernie was attacking it from the populist left. It was Bernie’s attacks that forced Hillary to come out against it. Of course, both Trump and Bernie may just have been reflecting the opinion of their Russian overlords. In any case, TPP had become toxic and anyone running could not be seen in favor of this treaty. I assume that Hillary would have figured out some way to preserve it, but it was not a winning political strategy to support this policy during the campaign

Yep, and I’ve been very critical here of HRC for folding, too. She could have stood up to Bernie. It’s an open question of whether the media would have buried or amplified her voice, but it turns out that a whole range of GOP-voting folks—especially farmers—would have needed little convincing to understand the benefits of TPP and consistent line on NAFTA.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:46:44am

re: #156 JordanRules

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More things change, the more they stay the same.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:47:47am

re: #158 Barefoot Grin

Bernie frankly is as ignorant on trade as Trump is.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:48:30am

re: #158 Barefoot Grin

Yep, and I’ve been very critical here of HRC for folding, too. She could have stood up to Bernie. It’s an open question of whether the media would have buried or amplified her voice, but it turns out that a whole range of GOP-voting folks—especially farmers—would have needed little convincing to understand the benefits of TPP and consistent line on NAFTA.

TPP was a tough sell on the left as well. It was complex, especially since it was a diplomatic treaty wrapped in an economic one. It wasn’t all that popular, and I’m pretty sure if Clinton had tried to explain it, CNN would have shown Trump’s podium.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:48:37am

re: #157 Belafon

And they were traitors for doing it, because the correct thing to do was expose it.

Mueller is building a case that they actively participated in it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:50:16am

re: #141 Unshaken Defiance

That presumes the extra revenue would go there. Facts not in evidence my friend.

Yes because we know who the big winners really were in Prop.13—Pacific Bell and the Bank of America!

Both got the biggest windfalls in that disastrous tax cut!

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:51:26am

re: #161 Belafon

TPP was a tough sell on the left as well. It was complex, especially since it was a diplomatic treaty wrapped in an economic one. It wasn’t all that popular, and I’m pretty sure if Clinton had tried to explain it, CNN would have shown Trump’s podium.

This is true. Pres. Obama might well have done more than simply say that without it we left the Pacific open to China writing the rules. But 90% of us would have nodded off pretty quickly. Hindsight and all that….

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:52:12am

mean drivers suck.

that is all

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Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:53:07am

re: #17 Scout

One more link about the TPP:

Wash. wheat growers call Trans-Pacific Partnership a ‘looming disaster’

From the story:

“The Japanese love the quality and consistency of Pacific Northwest wheat and continue to buy our wheat despite its marginally higher price on the world market. But a $65 a ton disadvantage is just too much to overcome and would force them into the arms of our competitors,” Squires said.

These farmers should find better work. Maybe a coal mine in Montana will hire them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:55:34am

re: #161 Belafon

TPP was a tough sell on the left as well. It was complex, especially since it was a diplomatic treaty wrapped in an economic one. It wasn’t all that popular, and I’m pretty sure if Clinton had tried to explain it, CNN would have shown Trump’s podium.

Yep its complexity made it easy for Sanders and Trump to misrepresent it to an audience understandably not versed in these deals.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 21, 2018 • 6:59:05am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Yep its complexity made it easy for Sanders and Trump to misrepresent it to an audience understandably not versed in these deals.

Trump and his followers don’t understand that world politics, diplomacy and economics cannot be boiled down to win-lose “deals.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:00:49am

re: #168 wheat-dogg

Trump and his followers don’t understand that world politics, diplomacy and economics cannot be boiled down to win-lose “deals.”

Exactly. I caught some of John Oliver last week. He talked a lot about how Trump is fucking us big time on so called soft power.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:02:47am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I caught some of John Oliver last week. He talked a lot about how Trump is fucking us big time on so called soft power.

China is winning on that front.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:06:02am

re: #170 wheat-dogg

China is winning on that front.

Yep that was discussed as well. China is showing interest in international relations and diplomacy in a way this administration has shown none. My pick for the nomination will be a man or woman who shows interest in that. It’s another strike against Sanders imo.

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JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:06:54am

School in Maryland.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:10:20am
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JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:11:20am
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:14:05am

re: #174 JordanRules

True. And there have been colleges who also have had gun threats too. I believe Community College of Philadelphia had a (possibly more) lock down a little while ago.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:19:12am

re: #170 wheat-dogg

China is winning on that front.

Remember that China’s biggest credit rating agency downgraded US securities a few months ago, citing “political deficiencies”. That is a major bombshell that went generally under-reported.

And there is really only one person that could possibly have been directed at.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:23:02am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I see you beat me to that one.

yes, a standard straw-man argument.

nobody is advocating a repeal of the 2A or confiscation, but a group of young victims is now actively pushing for sensible legislation to reduce the amount of violent gun crime and mass shootings.

its going to get harder to argue against those two words - to the teens who just lived through it

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:34:56am

The radicalized-right are losing their minds on Twitter because some useful idiots with bot-like Tweets are being required to prove that they’re real with a phone number. They call it an attack on Conservatives, but it’s just that people who act just like Russian influence bots are being forced to verify.

One nut even claimed that they’re working up to banning Trump. I told them it won’t happen, but Twitter would be doing Trump a favor if they did, since Twitter is where he constantly brings shame onto himself and America.

Another idiot said the people who lost followers should follow each other and they’ll be “stronger than ever”. As if being in a bot-like echo-chamber makes them strong.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:35:31am

After nearly 2 years, Dotard finally admits Russia meddled with our election. Baby steps. Yet, he still hasn’t criticized Mother Russia or Daddy Putin.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:38:53am

re: #178 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The radicalized-right are losing their minds on Twitter because some useful idiots with bot-like Tweets are being required to prove that they’re real with a phone number. They call it an attack on Conservatives, but it’s just that people who act just like Russian influence bots are being forced to verify.

These are also people whose sense of self-esteem seems to be based on the number of Twitter followers they can boast,

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:39:01am

re: #179 Dr. Matt

After nearly 2 years, Dotard finally admits Russia meddled with our election. Baby steps. Yet, he still hasn’t criticized Mother Russia or Daddy Putin.

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Not only is he acknowledging the meddling after spending a weekend seesawing on whether there was meddling, but he’s now acknowledging that such would be a crime. Give him a little longer and he might start to realize that Uday is in deep shit.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:40:24am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These are also people whose sense of self-esteem seems to be based on the number of Twitter followers they can boast, even if they arent real

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:43:41am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

For someone who rages against the media, Lorsch has no problem using it to promote her agenda.

I can hear her now.

“I was young once. I thought liberalism was good like a lot of young people do.

And then I got into the real world and found that liberals and progressives were lying. All they wanted was to tell me what I could do with my money, what I could do with my life, what I could own or not..all according to their dictates.

I grew up and you will too. And when you do you will find that the only thing you can trust, the only thing that can protect you and keep you safe is yourself and your gun.”

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:44:41am

re: #179 Dr. Matt

After nearly 2 years, Dotard finally admits Russia meddled with our election. Baby steps. Yet, he still hasn’t criticized Mother Russia or Daddy Putin.

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Obama did what he could, but since the GOP was accepting the help, they refused to do their part.

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:44:50am

What’s up over at Newsweek?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:46:25am

re: #179 Dr. Matt

After nearly 2 years, Dotard finally admits Russia meddled with our election. Baby steps. Yet, he still hasn’t criticized Mother Russia or Daddy Putin.

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Maybe because the Russian meddlers met with your campaign manager and your Adult Male Son. And maybe because you asked Russia to hack Hillary’s emails. And maybe because you bragged about the Wikileaks documents at every rally you held.

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Interesting Times  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:46:28am

re: #183 ObserverArt

I can hear her now.

“I was young once. I thought liberalism was good like a lot of young people do.

And then I got into the real world and found that liberals and progressives were lying. All they wanted was to tell me what I could do with my money, what I could do with my life, what I could own or not..all according to their dictates.

I grew up and you will too. And when you do you will find that the only thing you can trust, the only thing that can protect you and keep you safe is yourself and your gun.”

Is this based on an actual quote of hers, or collection of quotes? If not, you do a scary-good job of channeling condescending wingnut o_O

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:47:33am

re: #184 Belafon

Obama did what he could, but since the GOP was accepting the help, they refused to do their part.

It’s easy to criticize someone after something takes place. It’s a different story when something is happening in real-time. Dotard should be fortunate that he has not yet had to make critical decisions in real-time. But, when he does, we all know he will fail.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:48:42am

re: #183 ObserverArt

I can hear her now.

“I was young once. I thought liberalism was good like a lot of young people do.

And then I got into the real world and found that liberals and progressives were lying. All they wanted was to tell me what I could do with my money, what I could do with my life, what I could own or not..all according to their dictates.

I grew up and you will too. And when you do you will find that the only thing you can trust, the only thing that can protect you and keep you safe is yourself and your gun.”

“thats all fine. maybe we will eventually “grow up” in the meantime how about some reasonable measures so you adults with guns dont keep kill us naive kids?”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:49:39am

re: #179 Dr. Matt

After nearly 2 years, Dotard finally admits Russia meddled with our election. Baby steps. Yet, he still hasn’t criticized Mother Russia or Daddy Putin.

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Interesting Times  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:52:14am

Ha, that’s the spirit:

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:52:20am

re: #185 makeitstop

What’s up over at Newsweek?

Newsweek publishes exposé about itself after staff firings

Two of the magazine’s top editors — editor in chief Bob Roe and executive editor Kenneth Li — were abruptly dismissed, along with reporter Celeste Katz. Multiple reporters resigned in protest. The trio was fired as they were in the midst of pursuing an investigative story into the financial ties of Newsweek’s parent company, the Newsweek Media Group.

Despite the firings, a group of staff journalists continued reporting on the company’s finances. Late Tuesday night, their exposé was published, revealing a deep financial relationship between the parent company and a small Christian school, Olivet University.

The investigation’s findings were damning, but it was the colossal editor’s note at the top of the story that was the most stunning.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:53:07am

re: #144 JordanRules

I believe it’s Dana who will be there.
*spit*

The Parkland students are recovering from trauma and have only been studying gun policy for a week. Is it really necessary for @CNN to pit them against a vicious, dishonest and radicalized @NRA lobbyist? cnn.com

— Shannon Watts

As much as I dislike Dana, haven’t many gun control advocates wanted someone from the NRA to come out and be held accountable in a public forum?

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:53:51am

re: #161 Belafon

TPP was a tough sell on the left as well. It was complex, especially since it was a diplomatic treaty wrapped in an economic one. It wasn’t all that popular, and I’m pretty sure if Clinton had tried to explain it, CNN would have shown Trump’s podium.

Yeah, if the 2016 election proved anything, actual discussion of policy and how it would it be implemented was not wanted by the TV media.

They wanted the loudmouth political pissing match. They wanted the show. They wanted good video of the reality show.

Hillary was boring to the media, Trump brought ratings and views. The TV media didn’t care what it brought to America.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:55:25am

re: #191 Interesting Times

Ha, that’s the spirit:

I can see why so many RWNJ are foaming at the mouth and so frustrated. None of this is taking place on their terms and their would be victims aren’t responding in the usual way to their rhetoric and bullying.

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plansbandc  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:56:47am

re: #120 JordanRules

What’s that they say about the good dying young? Hmm.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:59:48am
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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 7:59:56am

re: #193 Sir John Barron

As much as I dislike Dana, haven’t many gun control advocates wanted someone from the NRA to come out and be held accountable in a public forum?

Dana (if they do send her) will try to obfuscate and Gish Gallop and try to steamroll the kids.

Judging by Emma’s response to the ‘crisis actor’ charges posted above, I’d say it won’t work. That kid is sharp.

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electrotek  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:00:22am

Did anyone see the comments that were left behind on FB, some calling for the kids to be run over or a suicide bomber to strike them?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:01:54am

re: #193 Sir John Barron

As much as I dislike Dana, haven’t many gun control advocates wanted someone from the NRA to come out and be held accountable in a public forum?

It was Parkland students who sent letters of support to the Virginia Tech victims.The school itself is no stranger to something like this. Except only now, they too are victims.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:02:43am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:03:42am

This story made the national news. The CANADIAN national news.

A Pennsylvania-based offshoot of the Unification Church is encouraging couples to bring their AR-15 rifles with them to a commitment ceremony in the Pocono Mountains, a half-mile from an elementary school.

World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland said it planned the Feb. 28 ceremony months ago, well before last week’s massacre at a Florida high school. Authorities say the alleged gunman used an AR-15 in the attack that killed 17.

Tim Elder, the Unification Sanctuary’s director of world missions, said Tuesday the church believes the AR-15 symbolizes the “rod of iron” mentioned in the Bible’s apocalyptic book of Revelation.

The church website directs couples to show up to the ceremony with an AR-15 “or equivalents such as an AK semiautomatic rifle, representing both the intent and the ability to defend one’s family, community … “

The church is down the road from Wallenpaupack South Elementary School, and some parents expressed alarm at the planned ceremony.

Full story here.

I can’t fucking stand this shit anymore.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:03:51am

re: #199 electrotek

Did anyone see the comments that were left behind on FB, some calling for the kids to be run over or a suicide bomber to strike them?

Now more than never, it would be a perfect time to report such comments to the FBI and local LEOs. They would be especially pro-active to such activity.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:04:02am

re: #198 makeitstop

Dana (if they do send her) will try to obfuscate and Gish Gallop and try to steamroll the kids.

Judging by Emma’s response to the ‘crisis actor’ charges posted above, I’d say it won’t work. That kid is sharp.

Well, sure, but there will be other adults there, and as you note, the kids really do seem to be OK. And I can’t imagine the NRA’s sending one of its foaming at the mouth loons to represent it on national TV is a good move for them anyway. But Shannon’s tweet seemed a little overly defensive, IMO.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:04:50am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

Clinging to their guns and religion. Obama was a prophet.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:04:55am

re: #199 electrotek

Oh gee here come those ugly threats again. These students are still in mourning for their fellow students there should be words of kindness and support not threats.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:05:11am

re: #197 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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The fallback to “They’re actors” is now “They’re being manipulated!” Well shit, guys, if they’re so easy to manipulate then why weren’t you Johnny-on-the-spot? Why weren’t you there, feeding them lines about “armed guards” and “armed teachers”? If they’re so damned gullible, where’s all the NRA dollars to convert them into little walking billboards for “MOAR GUNZ!!!”

Fuckin’ morons.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:07:37am

re: #207 Targetpractice

The fallback to “They’re actors” is now “They’re being manipulated!” Well shit, guys, if they’re so easy to manipulate then why weren’t you Johnny-on-the-spot? Why weren’t you there, feeding them lines about “armed guards” and “armed teachers”? If they’re so damned gullible, where’s all the NRA dollars to convert them into little walking billboards for “MOAR GUNZ!!!”

Fuckin’ morons.

Hmmm, maybe the NRA making videos with Dan Wacko Mongino crushing lemons or Dana burning newspapers wasn’t the way to go in persuading hearts and minds.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:07:45am

re: #165 dangerman

mean drivers suck.

that is all

I went to the quarter car wash yesterday and because it was 60 and sunny in the morning a lot of people had the same idea.

The one part of the car wash has four bays just for washing…no vacuums before the bay.

When I pulled in there was a car waiting for one of the bays to open so I pulled up behind him and thought I was forming a line that could wait in rotation for the next open bay. That is pretty much the method most times at this car wash.

So there I am waiting and just as a bay was finishing up (you could tell the guy was packing up his sponge, spray, mats, etc.) a guy drives in right past me and pulls up behind the car getting ready to leave.

I thought you could tell I was kind of back looking at all of the bays, car running, waiting.

And the asshole knew it too. As soon as he got out of the car he looked right at me with a fuck you, I got mine.

I wanted to walk up to him and say, “You’re a Trump voter aren’t you? I bet I would’ve been right. But I also knew if he was what I expected he’d be an asshole with a big mouth and would make a big deal about it all.

What made my day though was an elderly Black lady who apparently was watching and she waved at me to let me know she was about to leave and to move in behind her. As I pulled up behind her, window down, she said: “Lot of people like him around here” loud enough I think the guy heard it. He was just at the back of the next bay.

I smiled and winked at her and as she drove out we waved at each other.

Just another day…

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plansbandc  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:08:05am

Check out this rare yellow pigmented Northern Cardinal photographed in Alabama.
(Photo from The Naturalist’s Notebook on FB.)

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:08:43am

re: #207 Targetpractice

The fallback to “They’re actors” is now “They’re being manipulated!” Well shit, guys, if they’re so easy to manipulate then why weren’t you Johnny-on-the-spot? Why weren’t you there, feeding them lines about “armed guards” and “armed teachers”? If they’re so damned gullible, where’s all the NRA dollars to convert them into little walking billboards for “MOAR GUNZ!!!”

Fuckin’ morons.

The claim about “actors” is really for their crazy base, for the fundraising, etc.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:10:05am

re: #210 plansbandc

Check out this rare yellow pigmented Northern Cardinal photographed in Alabama.
(Photo from The Naturalist’s Notebook on FB.)

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Uday would kill it with his bare hands and post it on instagram.

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electrotek  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:11:07am
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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:11:43am

re: #213 electrotek

For those of us who can’t facebook at work, what is it?

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:14:40am

re: #214 Belafon

For those of us who can’t facebook at work, what is it?

Screen shots of people saying the protestors should be run over by a car, or that a suicide bomber should blow them up.

They’re saying this about kids exercising First Amendment rights. Their employers should see those screen shots. WTF

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:14:53am

re: #179 Dr. Matt

After nearly 2 years, Dotard finally admits Russia meddled with our election. Baby steps. Yet, he still hasn’t criticized Mother Russia or Daddy Putin.

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I wonder how much of the Not So Great Orange Dweeb’s day is spent cooking up all the lame tweets he probably thinks covers him from the all the investigation findings as they come.

“Oh, oh, oh…I can blame Obama and act like I just learned about the dates of when they know Vlad was involved!”

He is creative in that three-year-old’s obvious excuse way.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:15:07am

re: #2 Scout

Of all the stupid things trump has done, I personally think pulling the U.S. out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership was the stupidest.

25 GOP senators urge Trump to restart TPP trade talks, a deal he called a ‘disaster’

Ain’t gonna be nothing (and it is definitely a big something) compared to NAFTA. If he fucks that up, the entire country will feel it. And fast.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:16:45am

re: #182 dangerman

These are also people whose sense of self-esteem seems to be based on the number of Twitter followers they can boast, even if they arent real

It’s the thought that counts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:16:48am

re: #183 ObserverArt

“I was young once. I thought liberalism was good like a lot of young people do.

They will grow up and grow out of their fear of being senselessly and avoidably gunned down…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:17:56am

If these kids were in favor of more guns they’d be called “enlightened” and hailed as heroes by the same nutjobs threatening them and calling them crisis actors.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:19:15am

re: #218 ObserverArt

It’s the thought bot that counts.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:19:44am

re: #5 Targetpractice

It’s the same with NAFTA, they loved him railing against it during the campaign because they thought it might scare Mexico and Canada into placating us with a more “fair” deal. Even when their own constituents (farmers, factory owners, hotels, etc) came to them with fears of what would happen if NAFTA were axed, they sent them away with assurances that Trump was going to get a “better” deal for them.

Now? Now they’re scared shitless because Donny is desperate for something to fire up his base and axing NAFTA to “stiggit” to Mexico has a certain appeal. But the governments of both countries have stated that if he does that, neither will be making a unilateral deal, there will either be NAFTA or nothing.

It’s already worse since Mexico has increased agricultural trade with other countries. Even keeping NAFTA in place has already hurt us. Same with Canada but to a lesser degree.

NAFTA is still there - for now - but it is already weakened. And that hurts all those Trump states that have anything to do with agriculture. They are already feeling it.

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electrotek  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:19:46am

re: #215 makeitstop

Screen shots of people saying the protestors should be run over by a car, or that a suicide bomber should blow them up.

They’re saying this about kids exercising First Amendment rights. Their employers should see those screen shots. WTF

That’s the only way they learn, when their livelihood is on the line.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:19:54am

So Billy Graham is dead.

What exactly should I care about? That he taught his son that bigotry and hate fills the pews? Your legacy is in how you teach your children, and in Graham’s case, his son became a racist bigot whose views are in line with Trump himself.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:20:29am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

This story made the national news. The CANADIAN national news.

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A Pennsylvania-based offshoot of the Unification Church is encouraging couples to bring their AR-15 rifles with them to a commitment ceremony in the Pocono Mountains, a half-mile from an elementary school.

World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland said it planned the Feb. 28 ceremony months ago, well before last week’s massacre at a Florida high school. Authorities say the alleged gunman used an AR-15 in the attack that killed 17.

Tim Elder, the Unification Sanctuary’s director of world missions, said Tuesday the church believes the AR-15 symbolizes the “rod of iron” mentioned in the Bible’s apocalyptic book of Revelation.

The church website directs couples to show up to the ceremony with an AR-15 “or equivalents such as an AK semiautomatic rifle, representing both the intent and the ability to defend one’s family, community … “

The church is down the road from Wallenpaupack South Elementary School, and some parents expressed alarm at the planned ceremony.

Full story here.

I can’t fucking stand this shit anymore.

a perfect example of one problem with religion
he believes it
was it revealed to him?
does he talk to god, or vice versa?
how does he know? or is it just faith?

his followers follow him
he says so so they say so

one big game of telephone with no foundation in anything incontrovertible and available for everyone to see

its a scam

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:20:34am

This is the modern GOP for you, a party of empty gestures and empty heads:

Caldwell claimed that the bill was rejected because it was a “ban on all guns,” not just AR-15s and other weapons with high-capacity magazines.

“We need to be focused on real solutions,” Caldwell opined. “These maniacs that attack our schools, they’re essentially lone wolf terrorists. And we have to have strategies to focus on that. You’ve got a great example here of where the FBI had been reported to, the school had been reported to, the local law enforcement had been reported to. They did not communicate effectively. They did not understand that this guy was a real threat.”

According to the Florida Republican, lawmakers need to “focus on that side of the equation” instead of passing gun safety laws.

“We need to respond with tools that are going to make a difference,” he remarked. “We know for a fact that these schools get targeted because they’re gun-free zones. Ninety-five percent plus attacks happen in gun-free zones.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:21:04am

re: #197 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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What a peach, that guy. lmao

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:21:24am

re: #187 Interesting Times

Is this based on an actual quote of hers, or collection of quotes? If not, you do a scary-good job of channeling condescending wingnut o_O

No it is mine. I “observe” people…have all my life. Part of that is picking up their thoughts because a lot of people are real easy to figure out, especially if they are so full of themselves.

I then put that in my head for creative purposes like art, song writing, Photoshops, etc.

I did screw up not putting all of my fake Dana quote in italics though. Grrrr. Time ran out by the time i noticed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:21:31am

re: #224 lawhawk

So Billy Graham is dead.

What exactly should I care about? That he taught his son that bigotry and hate fills the pews? Your legacy is in how you teach your children, and in Graham’s case, his son became a racist bigot whose views are in line with Trump himself.

I always thought he got too much adoration and not enough criticism. His son is one of his legacies and Franklin is one of the worst.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:22:04am

re: #226 Targetpractice

This is the modern GOP for you, a party of empty gestures and empty heads:

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Yep.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:22:29am

re: #226 Targetpractice

THERE WERE ARMED POLICE AT THE SCHOOL BEFORE THE SHOOTING YOU DIPSHIT.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:22:42am

re: #213 electrotek

It is quite possible that the offensive comments are all from Russian trolls. Remember they are working full time on the shooting, to sow dissension among Americans.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:23:35am

re: #209 ObserverArt

And the asshole knew it too. As soon as he got out of the car he looked right at me with a fuck you, I got mine.

yup - they are just selfish people. me first

i try not to get mad - especially in my car cause no one can hear and it’s just venting

so i just say “hey good for you. you win”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:23:52am

re: #227 GlutenFreeJesus

What a peach, that guy. lmao

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Terrorist? You use that word, don’t think you know what it means but go ahead and cry that Emma is verified and not creepy Julian.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:24:11am

re: #232 Hecuba’s daughter

Which is why - with the exception of this site - I put virtually no stock in online comments made by people I’ve never met.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:24:25am

re: #232 Hecuba’s daughter

It is quite possible that the offensive comments are all from Russian trolls. Remember they are working full time on the shooting, to sow dissension among Americans.

Certainly but I’m sure there are real Americans in there too.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:25:02am

re: #191 Interesting Times

Ha, that’s the spirit:

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Emma is a power house. You can tell she has the natural leader thing going on. She is comfortable in her own skin and owns her thoughts. There are others too, but I think everyone has picked up on Emma.

She is one to watch, we have not heard the last of her.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:28:31am

re: #200 GlutenFreeJesus

It was Parkland students who sent letters of support to the Virginia Tech victims.The school itself is no stranger to something like this. Except only now, they too are victims.

And maybe that is what makes them who they are. They have been aware for some time of the problems and when it visited them they were all like “oh no…this stops here!”

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electrotek  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:28:41am

re: #232 Hecuba’s daughter

It is quite possible that the offensive comments are all from Russian trolls. Remember they are working full time on the shooting, to sow dissension among Americans.

Unfortunately they’re not. They’ve already been doxxed and judging from prior experience, there are plenty of deplorables who are this despicable.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:28:50am

Joe Walsh. Embarrassing Illinois like always.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:29:35am

re: #239 electrotek

Unfortunately they’re not. They’ve already been doxxed and judging from prior experience, there are plenty of deplorables who are this despicable.

The worst is seeing people you know spread bs. I’ve seen it with friends and family.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:30:25am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:30:31am

re: #240 GlutenFreeJesus

Joe Walsh. Embarrassing Illinois like always.

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Failed again Joe just like you did at fatherhood. People like you shouldn’t have guns.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:30:37am

re: #238 ObserverArt

And maybe that is what makes them who they are. They have been aware for some time of the problems and when it visited them they were all like “oh no…this stops here!”

I heard or read that some columbine alums do in fact travel to these schools to try to help in the aftermath

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:30:54am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

This story made the national news. The CANADIAN national news.

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A Pennsylvania-based offshoot of the Unification Church is encouraging couples to bring their AR-15 rifles with them to a commitment ceremony in the Pocono Mountains, a half-mile from an elementary school.

World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland said it planned the Feb. 28 ceremony months ago, well before last week’s massacre at a Florida high school. Authorities say the alleged gunman used an AR-15 in the attack that killed 17.

Tim Elder, the Unification Sanctuary’s director of world missions, said Tuesday the church believes the AR-15 symbolizes the “rod of iron” mentioned in the Bible’s apocalyptic book of Revelation.

The church website directs couples to show up to the ceremony with an AR-15 “or equivalents such as an AK semiautomatic rifle, representing both the intent and the ability to defend one’s family, community … “

The church is down the road from Wallenpaupack South Elementary School, and some parents expressed alarm at the planned ceremony.

Full story here.

I can’t fucking stand this shit anymore.

But they don’t hold to their guns and their Bibles like that Obama guy said.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:31:45am

re: #227 GlutenFreeJesus

What a peach, that guy. lmao

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:32:24am

re: #242 lawhawk

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Nearly fifty years ago Billy was perfecting the “But I love Israel” line of defense. He was a bigoted hypocrite. Not as vile as his son but someone who didn’t deserve the positive rep he had.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:33:08am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

This story made the national news. The CANADIAN national news.

[Embedded content]

A Pennsylvania-based offshoot of the Unification Church is encouraging couples to bring their AR-15 rifles with them to a commitment ceremony in the Pocono Mountains, a half-mile from an elementary school.

World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland said it planned the Feb. 28 ceremony months ago, well before last week’s massacre at a Florida high school. Authorities say the alleged gunman used an AR-15 in the attack that killed 17.

Tim Elder, the Unification Sanctuary’s director of world missions, said Tuesday the church believes the AR-15 symbolizes the “rod of iron” mentioned in the Bible’s apocalyptic book of Revelation.

The church website directs couples to show up to the ceremony with an AR-15 “or equivalents such as an AK semiautomatic rifle, representing both the intent and the ability to defend one’s family, community … “

The church is down the road from Wallenpaupack South Elementary School, and some parents expressed alarm at the planned ceremony.

Full story here.

I can’t fucking stand this shit anymore.

They’re Moonies. No one expects them to be sane.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:34:46am

re: #37 Kragar

;-)

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gocart mozart  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:36:35am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:36:39am

re: #239 electrotek

Unfortunately they’re not. They’ve already been doxxed and judging from prior experience, there are plenty of deplorables who are this despicable.

But the posting was supposedly from Facebook — and has Facebook done anything to clean up its act? Also, is it possible that the posting was fake? The claim was that FB removed the original post — but is it possible that there was no original post?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:36:43am

re: #249 MsJ

I have no idea how many followers I had. It’s just Twitter.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:37:03am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

This story made the national news. The CANADIAN national news.

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A Pennsylvania-based offshoot of the Unification Church is encouraging couples to bring their AR-15 rifles with them to a commitment ceremony in the Pocono Mountains, a half-mile from an elementary school.

World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland said it planned the Feb. 28 ceremony months ago, well before last week’s massacre at a Florida high school. Authorities say the alleged gunman used an AR-15 in the attack that killed 17.

Tim Elder, the Unification Sanctuary’s director of world missions, said Tuesday the church believes the AR-15 symbolizes the “rod of iron” mentioned in the Bible’s apocalyptic book of Revelation.

The church website directs couples to show up to the ceremony with an AR-15 “or equivalents such as an AK semiautomatic rifle, representing both the intent and the ability to defend one’s family, community … “

The church is down the road from Wallenpaupack South Elementary School, and some parents expressed alarm at the planned ceremony.

Full story here.

I can’t fucking stand this shit anymore.

The Unification church is a Rev Moon creation. He also owned a small-arms factory in S. Korea. (The successor organization also has a vertical monopoly on Alabama coast sushi, based near Bayou la Batre.)

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:37:59am

re: #250 gocart mozart

Wow, I had no idea SOROS was behind BLM, lol.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:38:35am

RWNJs out loud “I love Israel!”
RWNJs inner voice: “I just hate Jews.”

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:38:50am

re: #254 Sir John Barron

Wow, I had no idea SOROS was behind BLM, lol.

/

Dude. He’s behind everything.

/

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:39:10am

re: #250 gocart mozart

The well ORGANIZED effort by Florida school students demanding gun control has GEORGE SOROS’ FINGERPRINTS all over it. It is similar to how he hijacked and exploited black people’s emotion regarding police use of force incidents into the COP HATING Black Lives Matter movement. pic.twitter.com

— David A. Clarke, Jr.

Ah, remember the days when Sheriff Dave was calling for an armed overthrow of the Obama Administration? Good times.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:39:14am

Yesterday on the way home from work I was listening to some RWNJ on AM radio. He was going on about the Clooneys donating $500k to the march. He said, “What is $500k going to do for a march? A march? That could have paid for armed security guards in 10 schools at $50k each for a year! But it’s going instead for a march!”

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:39:29am

re: #248 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They’re Moonies. No one expects them to be sane.

You mean the Moonies are still around? I thought once Reverend Moon finally departed this earth (good riddance to bad rubbish) that his organization would eventually disintegrate.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:41:42am

re: #259 Hecuba’s daughter

You mean the Moonies are still around? I thought once Reverend Moon finally departed this earth (good riddance to bad rubbish) that his organization would eventually disintegrate.

The children went through some bitter feudal division of the fiefdom, probably settled out.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:41:54am

re: #227 GlutenFreeJesus

The twitter matrix propaganda machine = Assange not verified #ParklandShooting survivor week old twitter account Verified @Emma4Change pic.twitter.com

— Jake DeMichele

You are a special snowflake aren’t you? Maybe Assange should climb out of the Ecuadorian Embassy and live like a regular person.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:42:12am

re: #259 Hecuba’s daughter

You mean the Moonies are still around? I thought once Reverend Moon finally departed this earth (good riddance to bad rubbish) that his organization would eventually disintegrate.

I thought the same about L Ron Hubbard, but someone even more evil took over when he died.

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Semper Fi  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:42:20am

Trump and the NRA must be feeling much pressure since the Parkland massacre. Pressure must be high to cause them to throw out a sacrificial ban on bump stocks in an attempt to stem the rising tide of those who have had enough. IMO sacrificial ban is all it really is. I can’t help but wonder about the discussion that preceded that decision with the NRA knowing Trump will go for it. The bump stock ban would allow Trump to boast that he at least did something…unlike Obama who did nothing…will be his words.
My thoughts: “Mr. Mueller, I hope to see Trump’s problems continue to multiply.”

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:43:32am

re: #250 gocart mozart

I was an Ice-T fan back in college. Unless Soros has been playing a really long game, the relationship between blacks and cops has been sour before he started getting involved.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:44:03am

Is George Soros the #1 all time hit for wingnuts?

Followed by the Clintons at #2

Barack Obama #3.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:45:18am

re: #265 ObserverArt

Is George Soros the #1 all time hit for wingnuts?

Followed by the Clintons at #2

Barack Obama #3.

That’s only because they finally realized Saul Alinsky has been dead for decades.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:45:22am

re: #265 ObserverArt

Is George Soros the #1 all time hit for wingnuts?

Followed by the Clintons at #2

Barack Obama #3.

#4 Saul Alinsky

#5 Bill Ayers

#6 Everyone Left of Hitler

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:45:33am

re: #266 Dr. Matt

OMG. Here we go again. Dead bigot being praised by other bigots. Such a broken record.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:45:34am

re: #265 ObserverArt

Is George Soros the #1 all time hit for wingnuts?

Followed by the Clintons at #2

Barack Obama #3.

Whatever happened to Saul Alinsky?

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:46:12am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:46:38am

re: #268 Dr. Matt

#4 Saul Alinsky

#5 Bill Ayers

#6 Everyone Left of Hitler

I didn’t see your comment before posting mine!

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:47:47am

Underreported story of the day:

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:48:03am

re: #270 Hecuba’s daughter

Whatever happened to Saul Alinsky?

He hasn’t been doing great things lately.

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William Lewis  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:49:04am

re: #224 lawhawk

So Billy Graham is dead.

What exactly should I care about? That he taught his son that bigotry and hate fills the pews? Your legacy is in how you teach your children, and in Graham’s case, his son became a racist bigot whose views are in line with Trump himself.

While I don’t think that the apple fell far from the tree, I also think that Franklin got up and ran far further in that direction than his fathers worst moments (yes, I remember the Nixon tapes).

Franklin is the kind of Christian that makes it so goddamn difficult for decent people to actually follow the teachings and do good in the world. Still, I remember reading yesterday about Fred Rogers & his neighborhood & I can only hope that he’s the kind to be remembered when all of this is said and done.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:49:54am

re: #266 Dr. Matt

FFS.

Mike Huckabee Says Billy Graham’s Death is ‘Fake News’: He’s ‘More Alive Today Than’ Ever

Yeah…as alive as the four dead cops that Maurice Clemons killed after HUCK SINN paroled him…or the women raped and killed by Wayne Dumond.

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gocart mozart  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:51:41am
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:51:41am

re: #129 Belafon

My head just exploded:

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Then I put it back together so that I can help candidates this fall.

I find it hard to believe that WV, Ky and La are rated competetive as well, though a Democrat did win a special election in Kentucky yesterday.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:53:36am

The U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that Americans injured in a 1997 suicide bombing in Jerusalem cannot seize ancient Persian artifacts from a Chicago museum to satisfy a $71.5 million court judgment against Iran, which they had accused of complicity in the attack.

The justices, in an 8-0 ruling, upheld a lower court’s decision in favor of Iran that had prevented the plaintiffs from collecting on the judgment, which Tehran has not paid, by obtaining antiquities held at the University of Chicago’s Oriental Institute. The important Persian cultural artifacts, on loan from Iran to the museum since the 1930s, include clay tablets boasting some of the oldest writing in the world.

Justice Elena Kagan did not participate in the decision.

The decision could make it harder for plaintiffs in other cases arising from militant attacks overseas to seek compensation by seizing and selling off cultural relics owned by foreign countries.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:54:52am

re: #277 gocart mozart

Maybe there is something oddly “organized” about the Parkland shooting aftermath as Sheriff Dave claims, but it doesn’t appear to be the survivors.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:55:09am
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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:55:33am

re: #250 gocart mozart

The well ORGANIZED effort by Florida school students demanding gun control has GEORGE SOROS’ FINGERPRINTS all over it. It is similar to how he hijacked and exploited black people’s emotion regarding police use of force incidents into the COP HATING Black Lives Matter movement.

interesting - soros “hijacking and exploiting peoples emotions” is some kind of evil

the russians doing it? crickets

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:55:41am
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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:56:28am

re: #278 Big Beautiful Door

I find it hard to believe that WV, Ky and La are rated competetive as well, though a Democrat did win a special election in Kentucky yesterday.

My son is doing graduate work at UK. One of the things they’ve done in Lexington is you can now pay for traffic tickets in canned goods rather than cash.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:56:50am

re: #282 dangerman

interesting - soros “hijacking and exploiting peoples emotions” is some kind of evil

the russians doing it? crickets

Also, there’s an entire DOJ division dedicated to publicizing crimes by illegal immigrants but sure Sheriff Dave you do you.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 8:58:02am

re: #263 Semper Fi

Trump and the NRA must be feeling much pressure since the Parkland massacre. Pressure must be high to cause them to throw out a sacrificial ban on bump stocks in an attempt to stem the rising tide of those who have had enough. IMO sacrificial ban is all it really is. I can’t help but wonder about the discussion that preceded that decision with the NRA knowing Trump will go for it. The bump stock ban would allow Trump to boast that he at least did something…unlike Obama who did nothing…will be his words.
My thoughts: “Mr. Mueller, I hope to see Trump’s problems continue to multiply.”

i hate predicting the future. because i want stuff to work.
still i see two things coming if they do ban the bump stocks

- we did do something. what more do you want

- see? it didnt help anyway

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:00:49am

re: #263 Semper Fi

Trump and the NRA must be feeling much pressure since the Parkland massacre. Pressure must be high to cause them to throw out a sacrificial ban on bump stocks in an attempt to stem the rising tide of those who have had enough. IMO sacrificial ban is all it really is. I can’t help but wonder about the discussion that preceded that decision with the NRA knowing Trump will go for it. The bump stock ban would allow Trump to boast that he at least did something…unlike Obama who did nothing…will be his words.
My thoughts: “Mr. Mueller, I hope to see Trump’s problems continue to multiply.”

Of course, bump stocks had nothing to do with Parkland. OTOH, outlawing them would be good — as long as the legislation is carefully drafted to outlaw anything that provides comparable capabilities, requires that existing bump stocks be turned it by a certain date, and treats continued possession of these items as a criminal offense with a substantial fine and a prison sentence.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:00:59am

re: #286 dangerman

i hate predicting the future. because i want stuff to work.
still i see two things coming if they do ban the bump stocks

- we did do something. what more do you want

- see? it didnt help anyway

“Well, then, I guess it wasn’t the right thing.”

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:02:43am

re: #263 Semper Fi

Trump and the NRA must be feeling much pressure since the Parkland massacre. Pressure must be high to cause them to throw out a sacrificial ban on bump stocks in an attempt to stem the rising tide of those who have had enough. IMO sacrificial ban is all it really is. I can’t help but wonder about the discussion that preceded that decision with the NRA knowing Trump will go for it. The bump stock ban would allow Trump to boast that he at least did something…unlike Obama who did nothing…will be his words.
My thoughts: “Mr. Mueller, I hope to see Trump’s problems continue to multiply.”

Your comment reminds me of something I heard about Trump attempting to ban anything that makes a gun a “machine gun” or however Trumpy said it.

It was said that there is no way for Trump and Sessions to do anything that would not require congress to write legislation and have it pass. This can not be done by executive order.

And of course the summation was; that is not going to happen with this congress.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:03:32am

re: #250 gocart mozart

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Go fuck yourself with your flair, Sheriff Shithead.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:05:38am

re: #287 Hecuba’s daughter

Of course, bump stocks had nothing to do with Parkland. OTOH, outlawing them would be good — as long as the legislation is carefully drafted to outlaw anything that provides comparable capabilities, requires that existing bump stocks be turned it by a certain date, and treats continued possession of these items as a criminal offense with a substantial fine and a prison sentence.

…and loss of 2A rights.
if you demonstrate you dont know the rules, care about the rules or just dont wanna follow the rules, you have demonstrated you are not a responsible gun owner.

therefore you are dangerous to the rest of us

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plansbandc  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:05:48am

How cool is this? The first all female rock group signed by a major label is back!

ultimateclassicrock.com

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:07:40am

re: #288 Belafon

“Well, then, I guess it wasn’t the right thing.”

first they wont wait a sufficient amount of time to really know
second it’ll be some other kind of shooting - say a handgun or whatever
third the cdc is sitll barred from actually tracking this stuff properly

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:10:36am

Not that we needed any proof…

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:10:39am

TSA breaks record for most firearms found in one week

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) on Tuesday announced that it has set a new record for the most firearms found in carry-on luggage during a one-week time frame.

Between Feb. 5 and 11, the agency found 104 firearms in carry-on bags across the country. That number is up from a prior record of 96 weapons, which were discovered last July.

Eighty-seven of the 104 firearms found were loaded, the agency said, and 38 were discovered with a round in the chamber. Seventeen of the 104 were not loaded when found. TSA mandates that firearms travel unloaded and in checked baggage. The agency also requires travelers to announce firearms each time they are transported.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:13:01am

Uncle Tom “sheriff” Clark and the rest of the delusional fucks screeching about paid actors and Soros when the NRA is paying every Republican in Congress. Unreal.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:14:09am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:15:02am

re: #296 Dr. Matt

Uncle Tom “sheriff” Clark and the rest of the delusional fucks screeching about paid actors and Soros when the NRA is paying every Republican in Congress. Unreal.

Soros fights against fascism. The NRA fights for it. One is OK with them, the other is not.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:15:50am

re: #297 DodgerFan1988

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Lmao.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:16:04am
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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:17:39am

What the ever loving fuck? This just came into my email inbox:

USDA staffer shocks agency with public admission about sex for promotion

At one point during the program, which employees said was televised to department facilities across the country, Davis unexpectedly took the stage and alleged to her colleagues in emotional and specific terms how she was sexually harassed on the job. She described how a supervisor, whom she named, offered to give her a promotion to grade GS-13 in exchange for sex.

The supervisor and others are named in a lawsuit she filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Davis alleges USDA managers retaliated against her because of her equal employment complaints against the agency and her involvement in an investigation of whistleblower complaints involving the department’s Office of the Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights.

Davis acknowledged she submitted to the supervisor’s advances in hopes of getting promoted. “I agreed to the sex,” she said in an interview.

Shortly after the program, she received a letter placing her on paid administrative leave. She was told not to use any agency facilities, not even voice mail. Furthermore, the letter added, “you and your family or close associates are prohibited from contacting any USDA employees at work or at home, to discuss any matters associated with your employment with USDA.”

Curiously, the letter indicates Davis was not placed on leave because of what she did but, apparently, because of what she might do.

Read the rest. Wow.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:18:02am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:19:39am

re: #294 GlutenFreeJesus

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:20:34am

HAHAHAHA!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:20:51am

re: #294 GlutenFreeJesus

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:23:05am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:23:16am

About that tax break:

Poll: Few voters report seeing bigger paychecks after tax changes

politico.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:24:14am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:24:31am
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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:25:11am

re: #292 plansbandc

How cool is this? The first all female rock group signed my a major label is back!

ultimateclassicrock.com

That is pretty cool. Good songs, too.

Full disclosure: I crushed hard on June Millington when I was a kid. :)

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:26:08am

How long before this trump thing maladministration announces all schools will be closing and home schooling or Christian schools will be the only thing acceptable?

A Betsy DeVos wet dream.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:27:42am

Idiots posting over on The Hill are absolutely losing their shit because high school kids are protesting. Some are claiming the minimum voting age should be 21 because 18 year olds are too emotional and immature. Let that sink in…..”adults” want to change the law because high school students are standing up for themselves.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:28:10am

re: #265 ObserverArt

Is George Soros the #1 all time hit for wingnuts?

Followed by the Clintons at #2

Barack Obama #3.

Saul Alinsky is pretty high up there as well.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:28:27am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:31:46am

re: #306 Ace-o-aces

These people are so far gone there’s no point in even trying to reach them. Let them indulge in their spittle-flecked rage, furiously typing away on Twitter.

Now we just need to find a way to convince them that voting is all part of (((Soros’))) “master plan”!!

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:33:19am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

Idiots posting over on The Hill are absolutely losing their shit because high school kids are protesting. Some are claiming the minimum voting age should be 21 because 18 year olds are too emotional and immature. Let that sink in…..”adults” want to change the law because high school students are standing up for themselves.

But yeah, let’s send them off to war… oh, and give them access to legal purchases of firearms.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:33:38am

re: #309 FormerDirtDart

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I believe that’s Yorktown High. My dad briefly attended and my cousin is an alumnus.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:34:20am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

Idiots posting over on The Hill are absolutely losing their shit because high school kids are protesting. Some are claiming the minimum voting age should be 21 because 18 year olds are too emotional and immature. Let that sink in…..”adults” want to change the law because high school students are standing up for themselves.

When conservatives get scared, they propose limiting rights.

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plansbandc  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:35:00am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Yep. That’s how they roll.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:35:26am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:35:45am

re: #316 lawhawk

But yeah, let’s send them off to war… oh, and give them access to legal purchases of firearms.

And get rid of child labor laws so they can begin working before their teen years.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:36:29am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

When cConservatives get scared, they propose limiting rights.

Fixed it.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:37:25am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:37:46am

re: #278 Big Beautiful Door

Not to be a wet blanket, but: a special election between a normal person and the wife of the previous office holder, the egomaniac sexual predator pastor of a “biker church,” who committed suicide after being credibly accused of assaulting a teenage girl that attended his church (and his church’s booze-and-drugs get-togethers).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:37:50am

re: #321 Dr. Matt

And get rid of child labor laws so they can begin working before their teen years.

And allow Roy Moore to date them but heaven forbid they have opinions that the conservative hive doesn’t like on guns.

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electrotek  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:37:59am

re: #320 Ace-o-aces

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I’m fine with a fuel tax. This country solely needs it to help improve our road infrastructure.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:39:18am

re: #319 plansbandc

Yep. That’s how they roll.

American conservatives are authoritarians. There’s nothing ‘conservative’ about the viewpoint at all. They are credulous conspiracy theorists who believe the function of law is to maintain their position of privilege and keep other people beneath them. If the underclasses start to use the system to their favour, then the answer is to change the system.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:40:24am

re: #323 Ace-o-aces

Who is that? Wait….is that Milo!!?!???! LOLOLOLOLOL

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:42:39am

re: #320 Ace-o-aces

Trump’s contemplating hiking the gas tax 25 cents per gallon to pay for the infrastructure scam.

Considering that a person typically drives 12,000 miles a year (and assuming 25 mpg).
That’s 480 gallons purchased, with 25 cents per gallon hiked… we get another $120 out of pocket.

Truckers will see even higher costs, because they do far more driving, and that will translate to higher transit/package delivery costs as well as higher food costs thanks to fuel costs passed on to the consumer.

For those who are lower income, it’s a huge hit and more than offsets any tax breaks they might ever see with the Trump tax scam.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:44:39am

CNN has been showing the student’s speeches uninterrupted.

Good on them.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:44:55am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:45:37am

re: #326 electrotek

I’m fine with a fuel tax. This country solely needs it to help improve our road infrastructure.

Those more affluent Americans owning hybrid vehicles or electric cars wouldn’t be paying their share of costs if it’s paid only through fuel tax. We all benefit from improved roads and infrastructure. The fairest approach is to pay through income taxes — maybe a temporary added tax that increases by income level.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:49:05am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

When conservatives get scared, they propose limiting rights.

…of others

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:49:33am

Just when you think the shit pit that Manafort’s standing in can’t get any deeper…

Pay to play, amirite? That’s bad, right?

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:49:55am

The party that spent the 00s bitching about federal gas taxes being responsible for high gas prices now are cool with a $.25/gal increase to pay for infrastructure, a regressive tax that will largely fall upon the “working class” they claim to champion.

My surprise, etc.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:50:16am

Rep. Rod Blum (R-IA 1st)

IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) — A congressman from Iowa violated House ethics rules by failing to disclose a new company that he owns, a mysterious outfit that uses one of his federal staffers in a false testimonial for its services, an Associated Press review shows.

Rep. Rod Blum was one of two directors of the Tin Moon Corp. when the internet marketing company was incorporated in May 2016, as the Republican was serving his first term, a business filing shows. Among other services, Tin Moon promises to help companies cited for federal food and drug safety violations bury their Food and Drug Administration warning letters below positive internet search results.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:50:33am

Seeing that bit about Soros above and catching freetoken’s comments over night about how a lot of what we hear now is similar to the Bircher’s bullshit back in the 60s gave me an idea for a new Photoshop. This one can be modified to other images that will come up.

So many of the wingnut/conservative talking points are recycled over and over…best they carry the symbol for easy identification.

Put it in the Recycle Bin…it will be used again and again
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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:50:34am

re: #334 makeitstop

Just when you think the shit pit that Manafort’s standing in can’t get any deeper…

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Pay to play, amirite? That’s bad, right?

Yeah, but the money wasn’t paid to the Clinton Foundation, so it’s cool.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:50:59am

re: #330 Stanley Sea

CNN has been showing the student’s speeches uninterrupted.

Good on them.

very presidential

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:53:39am

re: #335 Targetpractice

The party that spent the 00s bitching about federal gas taxes being responsible for high gas prices now are cool with a $.25/gal increase to pay for infrastructure, a regressive tax that will largely fall upon the “working class” they claim to champion.

My surprise, etc.

none of that money will go to roads, bridges, etc.
it’ll go to “infrastructure” by way of fees to companies connected to the administration

besides if they passed it today it’ll take quite a while to amass some serious bucks. everything gonna be on hold till then?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:53:55am
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lizardofid  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:54:40am

re: #304 MsJ

HAHAHAHA!

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re: #329 lawhawk

Trump’s contemplating hiking the gas tax 25 cents per gallon to pay for the infrastructure scam.

Considering that a person typically drives 12,000 miles a year (and assuming 25 mpg).
That’s 480 gallons purchased, with 25 cents per gallon hiked… we get another $120 out of pocket.

Truckers will see even higher costs, because they do far more driving, and that will translate to higher transit/package delivery costs as well as higher food costs thanks to fuel costs passed on to the consumer.

For those who are lower income, it’s a huge hit and more than offsets any tax breaks they might ever see with the Trump tax scam.

Agreed 100% on every point. It’s about as regressive as you can get. And coming on the heels of the recent tax cut for the top, it’s particularly distasteful.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:55:32am

re: #336 FormerDirtDart

Rep. Rod Blum was one of two directors of the Tin Moon Corp. when the internet marketing company was incorporated in May 2016, as the Republican was serving his first term, a business filing shows. Among other services, Tin Moon promises to help companies cited for federal food and drug safety violations bury their Food and Drug Administration warning letters below positive internet search results.

not a word about, you know, addressing the actual reason for the violations

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:58:52am

re: #342 lizardofid

Agreed 100% on every point. It’s about as regressive as you can get. And coming on the heels of the recent tax cut for the top, it’s particularly distasteful.

I wish some Democrat would come out with that publicly: Trump is the biggest insult to the “working class” one can imagine. He champions a massive cut to income taxes that are progressive and thus fall on thus best able to pay them, while pushing regressive usage taxes on those least able to pay them in order to fund massive giveaways to those whose income taxes he just massively cut.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:58:56am

re: #336 FormerDirtDart

Rep. Rod Blum (R-IA 1st)

“Oh, was I supposed to tell people I owned this company?”

/

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:59:28am

re: #337 ObserverArt

Seeing that bit about Soros above and catching freetoken’s comments over night about how a lot of what we hear now is similar to the Bircher’s bullshit back in the 60s gave me an idea for a new Photoshop. This one can be modified to other images that will come up.

So many of the wingnut/conservative talking points are recycled over and over…best they carry the symbol for easy identification.

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The wingnut thing needs to stand out more.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:00:05am

re: #324 The Ghost of a Flea

Not to be a wet blanket, but: a special election between a normal person and the wife of the previous office holder, the egomaniac sexual predator pastor of a “biker church,” who committed suicide after being credibly accused of assaulting a teenage girl that attended his church (and his church’s booze-and-drugs get-togethers).

It’s Kentucky.

Don’t over-think this. : )

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Charmingly Persistent  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:00:52am

Honestly. Do they call it the death tax? Refer to forced-birthers as pro-life? Guh.

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electrotek  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:00:57am

re: #332 Hecuba’s daughter

Those more affluent Americans owning hybrid vehicles or electric cars wouldn’t be paying their share of costs if it’s paid only through fuel tax. We all benefit from improved roads and infrastructure. The fairest approach is to pay through income taxes — maybe a temporary added tax that increases by income level.

Don’t disagree, but more and more people are purchasing SUV’s, crossovers, and luxury pickup trucks for the time being.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:01:29am

re: #330 Stanley Sea

CNN has been showing the student’s speeches uninterrupted.

Good on them.

Saw your comment and flipped to MSNBC…they are covering it all too it appears.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:02:17am

re: #330 Stanley Sea

CNN has been showing the student’s speeches uninterrupted.

Good on them.

re: #350 ObserverArt

Saw your comment and flipped to MSNBC…they are covering it all too it appears.

And Fox has some Clinton BS, amirite?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:03:05am

re: #330 Stanley Sea

CNN has been showing the student’s speeches uninterrupted.

Good on them.

re: #350 ObserverArt

Saw your comment and flipped to MSNBC…they are covering it all too it appears.

And I imagine Fox “news” has groundbreaking coverage about Uranium One.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:03:23am

When the GOP/NRA only response is more guns, yeah, it’s time to change the tune.

The GOP/NRA have no other solution besides more guns. They refuse to implement even the most basic of nationwide gun regulations. Only in the US do we have the kind of mass carnage from guns on a daily basis - outside war zones and third world countries - and even then, we have more mass shootings.

States and countries with strong gun control have fewer incidents, and fewer deaths.

The NRA asks where does gun control work. It works everywhere it’s been tried.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:04:59am

re: #334 makeitstop

Just when you think the shit pit that Manafort’s standing in can’t get any deeper…

[Embedded content]

Pay to play, amirite? That’s bad, right?

Sure makes you wonder about all of the cabinet and staffs doesn’t it?

And it is all so-very-Trumpian.

Please Mr. Mueller connect this to the Trumps and add it to collusion with Russians and obstruction of the investigation.

A three front war will be hard for the Trumps to keep up with.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:05:08am

I just spilled a huge bowl of taco soup on my desk and then swiped at all the juices so they didn’t get in my phone, computer, phone, etc., and the dogs had a field day.

Half of my desk is now cleaner than it’s been in a while. And it smells good.

356
Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:07:01am

SMOTI and Geller got booted out of CPAC. L O L

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:07:43am

re: #356 Dr. Matt

SMOTI and Geller got booted out of CPAC. L O L

Chelsea is developing quite the snark game.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:08:28am

re: #346 MsJ

The wingnut thing needs to stand out more.

I wanted it to come off like the embossed symbol on anything plastic, metal or glass. They are often not clearly readable right off, you kind of have to study them, or rotate in the light to get a better read. So, I wanted that effect.

I will be using this idea again.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:11:26am

re: #358 ObserverArt

I wanted it to come off like the embossed symbol on anything plastic, metal or glass. They are often not clearly readable right off, you kind of have to study them, or rotate in the light to get a better read. So, I wanted that effect.

I will be using this idea again.

I love the idea but wingnuts don’t get subtle. It’s too easy to miss.

You are definitely on the right track, though. As always.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:11:30am

72 hours is even better. Consider it a cooling off period (and it lets NICS to do their thing and make sure all the data gets in.)

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:11:31am

re: #357 Sir John Barron

Chelsea is developing quite the snark game.

And she barely even gets her hands dirty. Great to watch.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:12:49am

re: #324 The Ghost of a Flea

Not to be a wet blanket, but: a special election between a normal person and the wife of the previous office holder, the egomaniac sexual predator pastor of a “biker church,” who committed suicide after being credibly accused of assaulting a teenage girl that attended his church (and his church’s booze-and-drugs get-togethers).

Lived in that district. Your description of the GOP wife/candidate represented her advantages.

(Real problem: These are very small numbers.)

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:13:14am

re: #356 Dr. Matt

That’s like David Duke getting kicked out of a Klan meeting.

364
gocart mozart  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:14:12am

Louis Armstrong - Butter & Egg Man Lyrics

I want a big butter and egg man- Bobby Hackett 1955

365
DodgerFan1988  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:14:56am

Somebody call the waaaambulance!

366
Skip Intro  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:17:22am

re: #365 DodgerFan1988

Please Chelsea, go after Fox “News” next.

367
Ace Rothstein  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:17:33am

Rush has some libertarian on the air right now saying we have a right to own machine guns “because I’m a Second Amendment absolutist.”

Consider me sold!
/

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lizardofid  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:18:16am

re: #361 makeitstop

And she barely even gets her hands dirty. Great to watch.

It’s like watching a brutally mismatched fencing match.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:19:04am

re: #367 Ace Rothstein

Rush has some libertarian on the air right now saying we have a right to own machine guns “because I’m a Second Amendment absolutist.”

Consider me sold!
/

If he’s a “second Amendment absolutist”, then he should be sporting a musket.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:20:01am
371
CongoJack  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:20:14am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

And registered with a state sanctioned militia / National Guard.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:21:06am
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gocart mozart  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:21:11am

re: #323 Ace-o-aces

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:23:42am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

If he’s a “second Amendment absolutist”, then he should be sporting a musket.

And be in an actual approved militia that is heavily regulated.

You know, the “A well regulated militia” part of the 2A every fucking gun nut and GOP/NRA type seems to ignore.

The GOP/NRA are such strict constructionists/originalists, that they’ve written the very language of the 2A right out of the Constitution.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:24:54am

Young man that survived Pulse nightclub shooting is speaking and backing the kids and saying “we are done negotiating” (you can sign the “take no NRA money pledge” or get ready for your retirement).

Person before him was with The Brady Bill folks. Good to see all of these people banding together and supporting the students. Strength in numbers.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:25:40am
377
JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:25:41am
378
MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:26:29am
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:27:01am

re: #306 Ace-o-aces

….continued

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:29:17am

re: #376 lawhawk

To use a phrase from Wm Wordsworth: The child is the father of the man. We should take notice of what these kids are doing. Ww should open our minds and support them.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:29:21am

re: #368 lizardofid

It’s like watching a brutally mismatched fencing match.

ive been on both sides of those

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:30:48am

re: #380 PhillyPretzel

To use a phrase from Wm Wordsworth: The child is the father of the man. We should take notice of what these kids are doing. Ww should open our minds and support them.

I’m already there. They very well may succeed where so many others have failed.

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Skip Intro  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:31:19am

Of course they did, but they’re essential because someone needs to take care of Trump’s kid and his wife needs a place to get away from the Orange Abomination.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:31:40am

Kids have a chant: Hey-hey, ho-ho…NRA has got to go!

I agree.

I wonder what the NRA is thinking today? Afterall, gun sales to the younger generations may not be too good.

Is there a future for the NRA?

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:31:41am

re: #376 lawhawk

You know why right wing conspiracists are attacking these kids?
Because they are E-F-F-E-C-T-I-V-E.
Not political hacks. Not paid shills. Not indoctrinated. Not character actors.
They are young people of character compelled into action by a horrible crime that cost 17 lives.

and because they are scared

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:31:58am

re: #382 makeitstop

I hope so.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:32:40am

re: #365 DodgerFan1988

Somebody call the waaaambulance!

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CHELSEA BROKE MY ORBITAL EYE SOCKET!

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KGxvi  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:33:27am

re: #383 Skip Intro

I think it’s important to remind people that the party that claims to be pro-family believes family stops at the border.

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TedStriker  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:34:28am

re: #377 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:34:32am

re: #367 Ace Rothstein

Rush has some libertarian on the air right now saying we have a right to own machine guns “because I’m a Second Amendment absolutist.”

Consider me sold!
/

What well regulated militia does he belong to?

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:35:17am

re: #382 makeitstop

I’m already there. They very well may succeed where so many others have failed.

its hard to argue with:

you’re the adults
adults make the laws
adults have the guns

adults are killing us

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Skip Intro  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:36:27am

White House’s Sanders to attend Olympics closing ceremony: report

On our dime because why?

I’m hoping she defects to the North.

thehill.com

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gocart mozart  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:37:52am
394
Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:38:52am

I see some of my Christian relatives posting positive things about Billy Graham, and I have to keep telling myself De mortuis nil nisi bonum.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:43:06am
396
mmmirele  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:43:26am

Well, we’ll, well… An (R) who wanted to replace Trent “Will You Be My Surrogate Baby Mama” Franks in Congress has his own sex scandal, involving Snapchat and topless pics.

12news.com

This guy is also a minister at a very, very conservative Apostolic Assembly church in Surprise, AZ. In addition to being “oneness” (don’t ask me, too complicated for the phone), they also believe women shouldn’t cut their hair and married couples can’t divorce.

Whatta guy.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:43:30am
398
electrotek  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:44:33am

re: #394 Blind Frog Belly White

I see some of my Christian relatives posting positive things about Billy Graham, and I have to keep telling myself De mortuis nil nisi bonum.

I’ve kept my mouth shut about it as well.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:45:10am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

Idiots posting over on The Hill are absolutely losing their shit because high school kids are protesting. Some are claiming the minimum voting age should be 21 because 18 year olds are too emotional and immature. Let that sink in…..”adults” want to change the law because high school students are standing up for themselves.

The only way they know how to deal with real problems is to try and prevent people from voting.

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scottslemmons  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:47:20am

re: #397 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

This wouldn’t surprise me, but I want a complete quote anyway. I don’t want to condemn him if it’s a bad quote — and if it’s an accurate quote, I want it hung around his neck ‘til the end of time.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:47:22am

re: #368 lizardofid

It’s like watching a brutally mismatched fencing match.

Chelsea has become a Zen-Master troll. She trolls without trolling. She can bring the right to a frothing apoplexy then elegantly step away. She has her mother’s sharpness and her father’s charm. Truly something to see.

402
Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:48:04am

CNN is hosting a debate with Dana Loesh? I hope these kids pass. They owe her and CNN jack shit. Seems like a setup. Dana Loesh is dishonest and not interested in debate. I hope these young warriors learn quick that the media is not their friend either.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:48:42am
404
jaunte  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:49:08am

re: #402 Amory Blaine

CNN is hosting a debate with Dana Loesh? I hope these kids pass. They owe her and CNN jack shit. Seems like a setup. Dana Loesh is dishonest and not interested in debate. I hope these young warriors learn quick that the media is not their friend either.

Sounds like a Gish Gallop opportunity.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:49:15am

re: #402 Amory Blaine

CNN is hosting a debate with Dana Loesh? I hope these kids pass. They owe her and CNN jack shit. Seems like a setup. Dana Loesh is dishonest and not interested in debate. I hope these young warriors learn quick that the media is not their friend either.

You mispelled ‘a vicious harpy’.
/////////////////////////

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:49:20am

re: #402 Amory Blaine

CNN is hosting a debate with Dana Loesh? I hope these kids pass. They owe her and CNN jack shit. Seems like a setup. Dana Loesh is dishonest and not interested in debate. I hope these young warriors learn quick that the media is not their friend either.

They seem bright and honest and have a mission. I am not putting my bets on Loesh. Let these kids do their thing.

407
KGxvi  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:49:42am

re: #401 Ace-o-aces

Chelsea has become a Zen-Master troll. She trolls without trolling. She can bring the right to a frothing apoplexy then elegantly step away. She has her mother’s sharpness and her father’s charm. Truly something to see.

In fairness, most of that is just due to her maiden name being Clinton.

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mmmirele  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:49:42am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

Idiots posting over on The Hill are absolutely losing their shit because high school kids are protesting. Some are claiming the minimum voting age should be 21 because 18 year olds are too emotional and immature. Let that sink in…..”adults” want to change the law because high school students are standing up for themselves.

Kids who are 15 1/2 today will be 18 on Election Day 2020.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:49:44am

re: #356 Dr. Matt

SMOTI and Geller got booted out of CPAC. L O L

First they banned Milo, but I said nothing, because I am not a pedophile.

Then they banned Hoft and Pam G but I said nothing because I was not an idiot or an alcoholic Islamophobe…

By the time they came for me, there was nobody left but Nazis, misogynists and gunfuckers…

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:49:49am

re: #397 FormerDirtDart

And yeah, Sanders (along with Ayn Rand Paul) were the lone No votes on the Russia sanctions in the Senate.

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dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:51:33am

re: #397 FormerDirtDart

If this is an accurate protrayal of what he said, this is serious dumb. I don’t blame Sanders for this? But Hillary’s to blame?

not blame for causing it
i think its more like why didnt she fix it
as if it was somehow her responsibility

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:51:42am

re: #409 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

First they banned Milo, but I said nothing, because I am not a pedophile.

Then they banned Hoft and Pam G but I said nothing because I was not an idiot or an alcoholic Islamophobe…

By the time they came for me, there was nobody left but Nazis, misogynists and gunfuckers…

PURGE!!…SOROS!!!…RINOS!!!

413
jaunte  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:52:20am
414
Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:52:35am

re: #324 The Ghost of a Flea

Not to be a wet blanket, but: a special election between a normal person and the wife of the previous office holder, the egomaniac sexual predator pastor of a “biker church,” who committed suicide after being credibly accused of assaulting a teenage girl that attended his church (and his church’s booze-and-drugs get-togethers).

True, the GOP didn’t nominate its best. Its still impressive that Belcher got 68% of the vote in a district that gave 72% of its vote to Trump in 2016.

415
scottslemmons  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:53:48am

re: #402 Amory Blaine

CNN is hosting a debate with Dana Loesh? I hope these kids pass. They owe her and CNN jack shit. Seems like a setup. Dana Loesh is dishonest and not interested in debate. I hope these young warriors learn quick that the media is not their friend either.

Loesh is not a skilled debater. I would bet on her getting flustered, angry, shouty, and offensive. Wouldn’t put it past her to make some veiled death threat that’ll go over great with her bosses but will get her walked off the stage by the police.

416
Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:53:55am

re: #406 MsJ

But they have the upper hand and should play their position on their own terms. Not to say these aren’t bright young people, but we know who the RWNJ are. CNN set gives unfair advantage to rich lobbying groups. They are vipers. Needless to say, I am old and I will stay on the outside and root for them.

417
dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:54:37am

re: #406 MsJ

They seem bright and honest and have a mission. I am not putting my bets on Loesh. Let these kids do their thing.

yup
the optics will be miserable for her

418
KGxvi  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:54:51am

re: #409 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

First they banned Milo, but I said nothing, because I am not a pedophile.

Then they banned Hoft and Pam G but I said nothing because I was not an idiot or an alcoholic Islamophobe…

By the time they came for me, there was nobody left but Nazis, misogynists and gunfuckers…

First they banned Milo, and I laughed

Then they banned SMOTI and I laughed

Then they banned Gellar and I lost my shit

By the time they came for me, I could only point and laugh.

419
Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:55:30am

re: #409 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

First they banned Milo, but I said nothing, because I am not a pedophile.

Then they banned Hoft and Pam G but I said nothing because I was not an idiot or an alcoholic Islamophobe…

By the time they came for me, there was nobody left but Nazis, misogynists and gunfuckers…

First they banned Milo, SMOTI, and Pammycakes, but I did not speak up because fuck those people.

420
Amory Blaine  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:56:05am

The NRA needs this debate, not the protesters.

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JordanRules  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:57:41am

re: #416 Amory Blaine

I don’t trust CNN and their quest for ratings. That’s not to say the kids won’t be great. They already are great! But this just gives me some uneasy feelings.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:57:46am

re: #332 Hecuba’s daughter

Those more affluent Americans owning hybrid vehicles or electric cars wouldn’t be paying their share of costs if it’s paid only through fuel tax. We all benefit from improved roads and infrastructure. The fairest approach is to pay through income taxes — maybe a temporary added tax that increases by income level.

True, but when this is the only carbon tax Trump would sign, I would support it. Though its true that passing it in this context is regressive. Its too important to encourage zero emission vehicles to pass on a carbon tax Trump would actually sign.

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KGxvi  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:58:13am

re: #420 Amory Blaine

The NRA needs this debate, not the protesters.

Not necessarily a golden rule of politics, but at least a sterling silver rule of politics: if you’re demand (more) debates, you’re losing.

424
dangerman  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:01:51am

re: #420 Amory Blaine

The NRA needs this debate, not the protesters.

“we dont need to debate that our friends are dead”

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:03:43am

re: #416 Amory Blaine

But they have the upper hand and should play their position on their own terms. Not to say these aren’t bright young people, but we know who the RWNJ are. CNN set gives unfair advantage to rich lobbying groups. They are vipers. Needless to say, I am old and I will stay on the outside and root for them.

The students are not going to run away from the NRA. Or, run away from Dana “Guns.”

In some ways I think they are doing now what many of us should have done all along.

And I have to say, some of the older journalists I am seeing around are really pissing me off. Many are acting all jaded and saying the NRA is too big and powerful and they have seen this before…so they are not convinced anything will come of this.

How about helping do some exposure on the NRA and how they got all that power and why it is doing nothing for anyone…even the gun owners. I know journalists need to stay neutral, but are some of you not covering this properly because you are judging results before they are in?

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:04:15am

re: #415 scottslemmons

Loesh is not a skilled debater. I would bet on her getting flustered, angry, shouty, and offensive. Wouldn’t put it past her to make some veiled death threat that’ll go over great with her bosses but will get her walked off the stage by the police.

That’s how I figure it’ll go. Loesch makes her living being snotty, sarcastic and condescending. That’s the one note she knows how to play.

That might fly when she’s barking at other adults, but it’ll look like she’s bullying a bunch of high school kids. The gun nuts will eat it up, but normal, sane people will be horrified.

That’s the brilliance of the Parkland kids. Their age and earnestness changes the calculus altogether. The nut jobs and Trump cultists will not be able to pull the shit that they’ve been pulling forever.

Hell - D’Souza, Dim Jim and Pammyz have all been disavowed by CPAC! Could anyone have foreseen that before Emma Gonzalez started speaking out?

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:04:50am

re: #372 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

I’ve been thinking this since reading that execrable David Brooks article about how we have to respect red staters first, then let them lead on gun legislation.

My first response is ‘fuck that’. My second, more thoughtful, response is ‘well, dehumanising our opponents isn’t a good way forward, and humans respond better to an open approach and a human face, rather than drawing a hard line in the sand’. My third response, after further thought, is ‘fuck that’.

On one hand, I know that when misguided people feel threatened and attacked, like that tearful woman in the Better Angels discussion who insisted ‘we’re people, not mindless drones’, they aren’t going to listen to anything. And I know that Trumpers and other assorted deplorables, for the most part, are still people - they might be this generation’s equivalent of good Germans, but that’s all the original good Germans were as well; people who were a protected group, turning a semi-deliberate blind eye to evil and helping it along for the sake of belonging. That might be evil, but it’s also human, and it’s a rare person who hasn’t done at least a mild version of that at some point in their life. I know I have.

And I also know that people can and do respond to calm, nonjudgemental discussion. I am constantly reminded of a flight I took when I was still very young, and I sat next to a random guy on this plane to Sydney. I was reading the paper, which was probably unusual enough for a teen, and I got to talking with this guy. It was around the time of the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, and I was still an insecure and somewhat homophobic teen, with a father who was extremely and angrily homophobic, and I remember making several disparaging and unpleasant comments about the Mardi Gras articles in the paper. This random older guy I was talking to didn’t get upset at me, didn’t make me feel stupid or bigoted, and just talked, asking me nonjudgemental questions and calmly reasoning through it. I didn’t have an epiphany then. I didn’t tell him he was right. He was probably appalled at this little shit with such bigoted views, and if we’d had Twitter, he might have posted something about how teens today are just as bad as the old conservative white bigots around us. But I changed, and grew up, and while I don’t know how much difference that one conversation made, I know that it was maybe an hour of my life, and yet years later, I still think about it. So wherever you are, random guy on plane, thank you for being reasonable and talking to me like a person. You made a big difference in at least one person’s life.

The problem with this idea, though, is that having a reasonable discussion with people who don’t share your reality is futile. And even if, while having that discussion, you do temporarily share reality, the first thing that happens after that discussion is that they go back to their private world where teenagers are crisis actors and Democrats eat babies on pizza and Obama and Clinton and Soros all conspired in Benghazi to collude with Russia to get Trump elected so they could take him down. And while I know that refusing to engage doesn’t improve that situation, I don’t see any action that does, short of removing them from their programming.

I could, if I had to, forgive someone’s blindness to their own privilege and their inaction in the face of evil, if I believed that their eyes could be opened. But I don’t. And nothing they say or do tells me that they could.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:05:46am

re: #356 Dr. Matt

SMOTI and Geller got booted out of CPAC. L O L

[Embedded content]

The Clinton’s nefarious takeover of CPAC has been revealed! George Soros will be CPAC’s next Keynote Speaker!

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:10:36am

re: #415 scottslemmons

Loesh is not a skilled debater. I would bet on her getting flustered, angry, shouty, and offensive. Wouldn’t put it past her to make some veiled death threat that’ll go over great with her bosses but will get her walked off the stage by the police.

Possibly, but this is CNN - if she does or says something awful, it will be ‘both sides’. More likely she will Gish Gallop and pull made-up statistics out which nobody will have ever heard of, and CNN can then make it look like she won. Gundamentalists have a lot of made up statistics.

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:13:28am

Another variable for this CNN thing - if there’s a live audience, it could get pretty rowdy.

I’m still betting on the kids. They’ve already shown they can handle a little chaos.

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EPR-radar  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:19:31am

re: #430 makeitstop

Another variable for this CNN thing - if there’s a live audience, it could get pretty rowdy.

I’m still betting on the kids. They’ve already shown they can handle a little chaos.

Another point in favor of having this ‘debate’ is that the kids will be face to face with cold-blooded absolute evil in the form of Ms. Dana. That will be a valuable experience.


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Marvel Studios’ Captain Marvel - Official Trailer Higher. Further. Faster. Watch the trailer for Marvel Studios’ Captain Marvel, in theaters March 8, 2019. ► Subscribe to Marvel: bit.ly More info on Marvel Studios' Captain Marvel: marvel.com Follow Marvel on Twitter: ‪@marvelLike Marvel on FaceBook: ‪facebook.com For ...
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Jungle Performing ‘Heavy, California’ Live on KCRW Jungle’s highly anticipated sophomore album was heavily influenced by their time living here in Los Angeles. We share a live session with the UK band on the release date for For Ever. Watch the full session here:kcrw.com kcrw.comMusic | ...
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Steely Dan: More Than Just a BandPOLYPHONIC MERCHANDISE: store.dftba.com Music by Pracs: SoundCloud Support me on Patreon: patreon.com Twitter: @watchpolyphonicFacebook: facebook.com
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Nathaniel Rateliff and the Night Sweats Performing ‘You Worry Me’ Live on KCRW Nathaniel Rateliff and the Night Sweats released their excellent sophomore album Tearing at the Seams earlier this year and have been on the road ever since. Inspired by personal drama, but full of hope, the new songs come alive ...
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Childish Gambino - Feels Like Summer There's a lot more to the lyrics and the video than you first see, while the music amd vocal style reminds me of some "hopeful while showing the hopeless" '70's tunes. “Feels Like Summer” by Childish Gambino smarturl.ittour tickets ...
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The 36% Deplorables Still Back the Babooncnn.com No suprise to me. Despite the raving lunatic Tweets, the nonsense policy decisions, the stoking of racial tensions, the Mafia Thug style approach to law, and the blatant grabs for more power, Trump has not dipped in his support ...
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